1 00:01:53,573 --> 00:01:56,953 What is the goal of the life? 2 00:01:58,745 --> 00:02:02,165 It's to create yourself a soul. 3 00:02:04,918 --> 00:02:07,708 For me, movies are an art... 4 00:02:08,213 --> 00:02:10,843 ...more than an industry. 5 00:02:12,634 --> 00:02:16,104 And it's the search of the human soul... 6 00:02:16,262 --> 00:02:19,142 ...as painting, as literature, as poetry. 7 00:02:22,685 --> 00:02:24,935 Movies are that for me. 8 00:02:47,335 --> 00:02:53,415 I wanted to make a film... 9 00:02:53,591 --> 00:02:59,181 ...that would give the people who took LSD at that time... 10 00:02:59,347 --> 00:03:04,347 ...the hallucinations that you get with that drug, but without hallucinating. 11 00:03:04,519 --> 00:03:09,819 I did not want LSD to be taken, I wanted to fabricate the drug's effects. 12 00:03:09,983 --> 00:03:14,743 This film was going to change the public's perceptions. 13 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:27,999 My ambition with Dune was tremendous. 14 00:03:29,752 --> 00:03:33,722 So, what I wanted was to create a prophet. 15 00:03:35,508 --> 00:03:38,388 I want to create a prophet... 16 00:03:38,553 --> 00:03:43,433 ...to change the young minds of all the world. 17 00:03:43,808 --> 00:03:48,978 For me, Dune will be the coming of a god. 18 00:03:49,898 --> 00:03:54,238 Artistical, cinematographical god. 19 00:03:54,986 --> 00:03:58,066 For me, it was not to make a picture. 20 00:03:58,781 --> 00:04:00,831 It was something deeper. 21 00:04:00,992 --> 00:04:04,502 I wanted to make something sacred... 22 00:04:06,164 --> 00:04:10,424 ...free, with new perspective. 23 00:04:10,627 --> 00:04:12,707 Open the mind! 24 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:18,679 Because I feel, in that time, myself, inside a prison. 25 00:04:18,885 --> 00:04:22,885 My ego, my intellect, I want to open! 26 00:04:23,890 --> 00:04:28,350 And I start the fight to make Dune. 27 00:04:47,997 --> 00:04:50,497 You needed a touch of madness to do it. 28 00:04:50,708 --> 00:04:53,038 You can't have a masterpiece without madness. 29 00:04:53,211 --> 00:04:55,091 Pink Floyd? Dali... 30 00:04:55,254 --> 00:04:57,014 ...or Orson Welles or others! 31 00:04:58,299 --> 00:05:00,339 Maybe Dune had too much madness? 32 00:05:01,886 --> 00:05:04,306 But a movie that doesn't have a bit of madness... 33 00:05:04,472 --> 00:05:06,472 ...is not going to conquer the whole world. 34 00:06:45,281 --> 00:06:47,831 I don't think that in the history of cinema... 35 00:06:47,992 --> 00:06:52,212 ...there was ever a film that was taken that far, only to end up not being made. 36 00:06:52,371 --> 00:06:54,211 To become a different film, since a film was made... 37 00:06:54,373 --> 00:06:57,383 ...that had nothing to do with those two and a half years of work. 38 00:07:19,649 --> 00:07:22,239 In the beginning, I was making theater. 39 00:07:26,364 --> 00:07:29,534 In Mexico, I make 100 theater plays. 40 00:07:32,078 --> 00:07:35,618 In 10 years, I make the avant garde theater. 41 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:38,460 lonesco, Beckett, Strindberg. 42 00:07:39,836 --> 00:07:42,416 Modern adaptations of Shakespeare, I do. 43 00:07:42,588 --> 00:07:44,628 One day I will make a picture. 44 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,340 When I came to pictures... 45 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:32,010 ...I came like a virgin. 46 00:08:33,055 --> 00:08:37,055 Without to know technical movement. 47 00:08:37,226 --> 00:08:39,806 I didn't know lens, the number. I didn't know. 48 00:08:45,443 --> 00:08:49,703 We shoot Fando Y Lis, hiding of unions. 49 00:08:52,450 --> 00:08:55,080 In Mexico, a young director cannot make picture... 50 00:08:55,244 --> 00:08:58,664 ...without the permission of the old director unions. 51 00:08:58,831 --> 00:09:03,001 I say, "What I need to take the permission to make art?" 52 00:09:04,253 --> 00:09:06,883 Artists need to be free! I do my picture! 53 00:09:07,048 --> 00:09:09,758 Then was a great scandal later, eh? 54 00:09:10,176 --> 00:09:13,386 Because I broke all the unions, I did it! 55 00:09:19,810 --> 00:09:23,230 I was opening the mind of the industry. 56 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:35,300 I was exposed to it in the underground cinema in New York. 57 00:10:35,469 --> 00:10:39,639 And after that, we had the courage to attempt to distribute it in France... 58 00:10:39,807 --> 00:10:45,397 ...and it was an incredible success for this movie that was quite revolutionary... 59 00:10:45,563 --> 00:10:49,823 ...and a natural friendship was born between Alejandro and me. 60 00:10:49,984 --> 00:10:51,784 Thanks to the success of El Topo... 61 00:10:51,944 --> 00:10:55,454 ...I got one million dollars to make The Holy Mountain. 62 00:11:01,370 --> 00:11:03,120 I did whatever I wanted. 63 00:11:03,873 --> 00:11:05,003 I didn't have a producer... 64 00:11:07,168 --> 00:11:09,998 ...no critic, no one to mess with me. 65 00:11:11,714 --> 00:11:13,884 I did what I wanted and it was The How Mountain. 66 00:11:44,622 --> 00:11:48,252 I gave the movie to Michel Seydoux in France. 67 00:11:48,417 --> 00:11:52,507 And, oh, surprise, in Europe it attracted a great number of people... 68 00:11:53,381 --> 00:11:55,341 ...it was playing openly. 69 00:11:56,092 --> 00:12:01,102 In Italy that year, it was the number two movie behind James Bond. 70 00:12:01,931 --> 00:12:05,101 The Holy Mountain was incredible. 71 00:12:11,107 --> 00:12:15,437 So my ambition grew. 72 00:12:42,179 --> 00:12:45,849 Michel Seydoux called me from Paris and say to me: 73 00:12:46,016 --> 00:12:50,226 "Holy Mountain is a success. I want to make a new picture with you. 74 00:12:50,396 --> 00:12:52,356 Do whatever you want!" 75 00:12:57,820 --> 00:13:00,700 I have never made movies or transactions... 76 00:13:00,865 --> 00:13:02,775 ...unless there was something more to them. 77 00:13:02,950 --> 00:13:06,290 A relationship between human beings is what makes the difference. 78 00:13:08,122 --> 00:13:11,462 He said, "I want to produce you anything. 79 00:13:11,667 --> 00:13:13,417 What do you want to do?" 80 00:13:14,003 --> 00:13:15,633 I say, "Dune!" 81 00:13:15,921 --> 00:13:17,171 And he say, "Yes." 82 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,930 Why? 83 00:13:23,095 --> 00:13:26,465 Because the book was the most beautiful science-fiction book. 84 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,940 It was the bible of science fiction for all the big devotees. 85 00:13:30,102 --> 00:13:32,772 Because the book had been a worldwide publishing success... 86 00:13:33,522 --> 00:13:35,272 ...that you could find in every country. 87 00:13:37,026 --> 00:13:40,986 I didn't read Dune. But I have a friend who say me it was fantastic. 88 00:13:41,155 --> 00:13:44,195 I don't know why I say Dune. I can say Don Quixote... 89 00:13:44,366 --> 00:13:48,246 ...or I can said Hamlet. I don't know anything. 90 00:13:48,621 --> 00:13:49,831 I say Dune. 91 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,560 Hollywood sold us the rights for nothing... 92 00:14:48,722 --> 00:14:51,772 ...mockingly on the inside, I believe... 93 00:14:52,643 --> 00:14:56,023 ...thinking that we would never be able to carry out such a thing. 94 00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:02,191 It was a great undertaking to do the script. 95 00:15:05,614 --> 00:15:08,784 Michel Seydoux brought me to France. 96 00:15:08,951 --> 00:15:11,411 He rented a castle, a huge castle... 97 00:15:11,579 --> 00:15:16,079 ...and I was in that castle dedicated solely to Dune. 98 00:15:17,668 --> 00:15:21,208 Frank Herbert created a world in Dune... 99 00:15:21,547 --> 00:15:24,927 ...but he never said exactly what it was. 100 00:15:25,092 --> 00:15:29,222 And you have a hundred pages of literature... 101 00:15:29,763 --> 00:15:32,473 ...where you go on to discover, with great difficulty... 102 00:15:32,641 --> 00:15:34,391 ...what the book is about. 103 00:15:35,019 --> 00:15:41,319 It's very-- It's like-- I compare it to Proust in French literature. 104 00:15:41,483 --> 00:15:43,903 It's literary, it's great literature. 105 00:15:46,864 --> 00:15:49,624 The first 100 pages... 106 00:15:50,117 --> 00:15:52,117 ...you understand almost nothing. 107 00:15:53,245 --> 00:15:55,705 It's insinuations. 108 00:15:57,082 --> 00:16:01,802 To bring literature to image is completely difficult. 109 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:08,342 You need to create another world, the optical world. 110 00:16:08,510 --> 00:16:10,930 It's not the literary, auditive world. 111 00:16:13,265 --> 00:16:17,265 All the time, even in the... In the little details... 112 00:16:17,770 --> 00:16:23,400 ...I was trying to find the spiritual meaning of that picture. 113 00:16:33,661 --> 00:16:36,161 Now I have my script. 114 00:16:37,748 --> 00:16:40,248 I need to find the warriors. 115 00:16:42,628 --> 00:16:44,628 The warriors to do it. 116 00:16:44,797 --> 00:16:49,757 Every person who will work in this picture will be a spiritual warrior. 117 00:16:50,719 --> 00:16:52,139 The best I will find. 118 00:16:53,222 --> 00:16:55,182 He had the genius to make... 119 00:16:57,059 --> 00:16:58,849 ...a storyboard with Moebius. 120 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:08,028 I find a comic book. The comic book was... 121 00:17:09,113 --> 00:17:10,453 ...Blueberry. 122 00:17:11,156 --> 00:17:14,156 Cowboy book, drawing by Giraud. 123 00:17:15,285 --> 00:17:18,535 I start to see, but that guy is my camera! 124 00:17:20,165 --> 00:17:21,165 Who is this? 125 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:36,144 This is the person I need. 126 00:17:36,807 --> 00:17:39,807 Where I will find this person? Where? 127 00:17:41,311 --> 00:17:44,571 In that time was not Internet to find any person. 128 00:17:44,898 --> 00:17:46,688 I need to find this person. 129 00:17:48,569 --> 00:17:53,819 I went to see my agent, publicity agent... 130 00:17:53,991 --> 00:17:56,991 ...and there he was. By chance. 131 00:17:57,161 --> 00:17:58,871 He was there. 132 00:17:59,371 --> 00:18:00,791 He say, "I am Moebius." 133 00:18:00,956 --> 00:18:05,086 "When I drawing science fiction, I am not Giraud, I am Moebius." 134 00:18:06,003 --> 00:18:10,093 And I say to him, "You are the person! Come with me!" 135 00:18:13,635 --> 00:18:16,675 Drawing by drawing, I shoot the picture. 136 00:18:20,726 --> 00:18:23,056 I need 3000 drawings. 137 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,270 Point of view. Movement of the camera. 138 00:18:28,484 --> 00:18:31,494 Dialogue. The relation between the actors. 139 00:18:32,863 --> 00:18:35,413 I use Moebius like a camera. 140 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:41,330 I take Moebius, I say, "Now you advance." "Now you travel." 141 00:18:43,582 --> 00:18:45,672 "Now you make a close-up." 142 00:18:49,254 --> 00:18:52,844 I have Moebius, who was a genius. Moebius was a genius. 143 00:18:53,133 --> 00:18:58,223 Because he was not only an artist with an incredible capacity... 144 00:18:58,722 --> 00:19:00,642 ...but he was very quick. 145 00:19:04,186 --> 00:19:08,356 Was superhuman. He was... 146 00:19:08,524 --> 00:19:10,654 ...quickly, rapido, incredible. 147 00:19:10,818 --> 00:19:12,028 And then I could shoot. 148 00:19:13,237 --> 00:19:15,857 Every day, we start to shoot... 149 00:19:16,031 --> 00:19:21,451 At 8:00, we come, we prepare everything. I think at 9:30 we start to shoot. 150 00:19:24,581 --> 00:19:26,501 I made the picture with drawings. 151 00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:50,566 And then in the costume, I say to him-- I describe what I wanted. 152 00:19:51,108 --> 00:19:53,688 He immediately: 153 00:19:53,861 --> 00:19:58,031 Quick, more than a computer. He was incredible. 154 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:31,189 Everything became magic when we was doing this picture. 155 00:20:31,356 --> 00:20:34,026 Everything, everything. 156 00:20:38,363 --> 00:20:43,493 Dune, my Dune, start with a long shot. 157 00:20:44,161 --> 00:20:49,791 I admire the long shot of Orson Welles' Touch of Evil. 158 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:54,210 The camera go, go, go, traverse the street, go. 159 00:20:55,672 --> 00:20:58,762 It's a fantastic big, long shot. 160 00:21:00,302 --> 00:21:03,012 And then I wanted to start Dune with a long shot... 161 00:21:04,222 --> 00:21:08,772 ...better than the long shot of Orson Welles. 162 00:21:08,936 --> 00:21:10,976 I wanted to go farthest. 163 00:21:11,146 --> 00:21:16,486 And then all the shot is traversing the whole universe. 164 00:21:16,818 --> 00:21:21,568 You go there and you traverse all the galaxy, all the galaxy... 165 00:21:21,740 --> 00:21:25,370 ...and in traversal of the galaxy, you see a pirate... 166 00:21:25,953 --> 00:21:33,543 ...robbing a convoy of spice, by example. Battles. And you go, you go... 167 00:21:34,753 --> 00:21:35,753 ls a long shot. 168 00:23:53,767 --> 00:23:57,727 We need to find the person who will make the special effects. 169 00:23:57,896 --> 00:24:00,686 I say, "Moebius, we fly to California, to Los Angeles... 170 00:24:00,857 --> 00:24:04,027 ...to the appointment of Douglas Trumbull." 171 00:24:21,086 --> 00:24:25,416 He was a very honored, very important person. 172 00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:28,930 He receive me. He was interesting. 173 00:24:29,094 --> 00:24:30,144 Was a business. 174 00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:01,705 We went to see Trumbull... 175 00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:06,304 ...but he gives himself so big importance. 176 00:25:07,048 --> 00:25:09,338 We was speaking, he answered... 177 00:25:09,509 --> 00:25:12,639 ...4O times the telephone. Forty times. 178 00:25:14,931 --> 00:25:19,731 He was speaking with so big vanity of himself. 179 00:25:20,437 --> 00:25:24,607 He was a big technician. But for me, was not a spiritual person. 180 00:25:25,233 --> 00:25:29,863 He have nothing to do in the creation of a film who was a prophet. 181 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,158 He will make a technical film, no? 182 00:25:53,845 --> 00:25:57,215 And then I say, "I cannot work with you." 183 00:25:58,350 --> 00:25:59,810 And we went out. 184 00:26:00,518 --> 00:26:05,018 Moebius was astonished, say, "How you can say no to the biggest... 185 00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:07,980 ...technician of Hollywood?" 186 00:26:08,151 --> 00:26:11,151 I say, "it is like that." 187 00:26:11,321 --> 00:26:14,161 I cannot use him. He is not my spiritual warrior. 188 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,580 And then we was walking in the street, Hollywood... 189 00:26:21,873 --> 00:26:27,923 ...there was a little cinema, a little theater. And there was a science-fiction picture... 190 00:26:28,088 --> 00:26:29,128 ...Dark Star. 191 00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:40,024 And when I see the picture, "That is the guy!" 192 00:26:43,687 --> 00:26:44,847 O'Bannon. 193 00:26:46,356 --> 00:26:50,276 We will search for this person. This person will be the person. 194 00:27:15,635 --> 00:27:19,505 For me, the art was before, later the technique. 195 00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:21,928 And that was O'Bannon. 196 00:29:11,334 --> 00:29:14,254 And then he came to Paris. 197 00:29:14,421 --> 00:29:20,051 And that was-- I have two warriors: Moebius and O'Bannon. 198 00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:22,048 I need to find the others. 199 00:29:22,846 --> 00:29:27,016 The first actor is the father, the Duke Leto. 200 00:29:41,906 --> 00:29:45,696 David Carradine had starred in a very popular television series... 201 00:29:46,536 --> 00:29:47,906 ...in which he was a warrior... 202 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,789 ...who was taught by masters from the Orient. 203 00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:52,956 It was influenced by El Topo. 204 00:29:54,752 --> 00:29:59,632 Then, when Carradine knew that I wanted him, he came... 205 00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:01,263 ...he came running. 206 00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:06,970 I waited for him in Los Angeles, in a hotel room. 207 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,930 I had bought vitamin E. 208 00:30:12,145 --> 00:30:14,645 Like, this E vitamin. Half a kilo. 209 00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:22,110 In order to take one pill every day to have the strength. 210 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,570 Carradine came to my room, the first thing he saw... 211 00:30:24,741 --> 00:30:28,081 ...was the pot of E vitamin. 212 00:30:28,244 --> 00:30:29,834 He say, "Oh, E vitamin!" 213 00:30:31,372 --> 00:30:35,752 And he drink all my pills of vitamin E! 214 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:40,379 Like is a monstrosity! Sixty dollars was! 215 00:30:43,384 --> 00:30:46,144 Well, was a big beginning. 216 00:30:46,596 --> 00:30:48,516 And then I say, "We need to work together! 217 00:30:48,681 --> 00:30:50,811 You are the person I am searching!" 218 00:30:57,315 --> 00:31:00,645 I wanted a musical group for every planet. 219 00:31:02,445 --> 00:31:05,565 Pink Floyd. They will make the music of Leto. 220 00:31:08,535 --> 00:31:12,245 Pink Floyd have a record, Dark Side of the Moon. 221 00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:14,793 For me, that is the human being, like the moon. 222 00:31:14,958 --> 00:31:17,248 One side is brilliant, light. 223 00:31:17,418 --> 00:31:20,378 And the other side who is black, the unconscious... 224 00:31:20,547 --> 00:31:23,927 ...what is mysterious, what is deep. 225 00:31:24,717 --> 00:31:27,847 It happened during a meeting. 226 00:31:28,012 --> 00:31:31,142 "Pink Floyd?" Gibon said, "Okay, I'll go!" 227 00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:35,727 He called Pink Floyd's agent. He said, "Could I meet with you?" 228 00:31:35,895 --> 00:31:38,685 So one day we went to London. 229 00:31:39,482 --> 00:31:42,402 They were in the middle of finishing the mixing... 230 00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:45,910 ...of Dark Side of the Moon, at Abbey Road, the famous studio. 231 00:31:49,867 --> 00:31:53,407 And I remember, we got there... 232 00:31:53,997 --> 00:31:56,497 ...and they were very standoffish... 233 00:31:56,666 --> 00:31:58,536 ...pop stars, very distant. 234 00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,800 They was eating. They was eating... 235 00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:06,224 ...hamburgers. Four guys eating hamburgers. 236 00:32:06,384 --> 00:32:08,894 "Hello," they say, "Hello!" 237 00:32:10,305 --> 00:32:13,095 And nothing, I could not speak, they was eating. 238 00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:16,386 All of a sudden, Jodo-- We called him Jodo. 239 00:32:16,561 --> 00:32:20,191 Jodo said, "No. They're pissing me off. Let's go!" 240 00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:22,476 I start to insulted them. 241 00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:28,030 "How you don't understand I offer to you... 242 00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:34,368 ...the most important picture in the history of the humanity! 243 00:32:35,288 --> 00:32:36,788 We will change the world! 244 00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:39,166 And you are eating... 245 00:32:39,334 --> 00:32:43,714 Eating Big Macs. How?" 246 00:32:44,339 --> 00:32:48,219 And then they stop and they speak with me. 247 00:32:49,385 --> 00:32:52,305 And after that, it went very, very well. 248 00:32:52,472 --> 00:32:53,772 Very, very well, yeah. 249 00:32:53,931 --> 00:32:57,771 And we was speaking to make a big album with the music of Dune. 250 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,980 Could be fantastic, no? 251 00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:07,106 In my version, the Duke Leto... 252 00:33:10,198 --> 00:33:12,118 ...he is castrated. 253 00:33:12,283 --> 00:33:14,913 And then how he will do a son? 254 00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:17,207 And then his wife... 255 00:33:17,914 --> 00:33:21,674 ...a marvelous woman, a wise woman... 256 00:33:23,002 --> 00:33:28,092 ...and the guy have a love, a cosmic love when he see this woman. 257 00:33:28,257 --> 00:33:30,427 And how he will make a child? 258 00:33:30,593 --> 00:33:34,263 And she take a drop of his blood... 259 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:40,140 ...and she change the blood into semen... 260 00:33:40,603 --> 00:33:46,863 ...and then we see the drop of blood going inside the vagina, the uterus... 261 00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,988 ...and we will follow the blood... 262 00:33:49,153 --> 00:33:55,493 ...the blood coming and go inside the ovum and explodes there. 263 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,209 She get pregnant with a drop of blood. 264 00:34:01,791 --> 00:34:03,211 That's What I did. 265 00:34:08,047 --> 00:34:12,637 What will have if you are not the son of a sexual pleasure... 266 00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:16,103 ...but of a spiritual pleasure? 267 00:34:17,890 --> 00:34:22,190 And from this spiritual love, he will create Paul. 268 00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:26,520 Paul was a young boy... 269 00:34:27,734 --> 00:34:32,074 ...but is not a normal boy. Was a mutant. 270 00:34:32,238 --> 00:34:35,908 With a big soul and strength. 271 00:34:37,410 --> 00:34:39,250 Where I will find that boy? 272 00:34:39,412 --> 00:34:40,542 My son. 273 00:34:47,128 --> 00:34:49,168 Today you are 7 years old. 274 00:34:49,338 --> 00:34:50,668 Now you are a man. 275 00:34:51,424 --> 00:34:54,014 Bury your first toy and your mother's picture. 276 00:35:01,726 --> 00:35:05,556 I work with him in El Topo, now he have 12 year old. 277 00:35:05,730 --> 00:35:10,110 I say, "You will make Paul, but you need to prepare as a warrior." 278 00:35:19,285 --> 00:35:23,075 I prepare my son, to do the role exactly... 279 00:35:23,247 --> 00:35:27,417 ...as the Duke Leto prepare his son. 280 00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:42,978 I find teacher for him. 281 00:35:43,142 --> 00:35:46,102 I have a very strong person... 282 00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:47,730 ...Jean-Pierre Vignau. 283 00:35:49,148 --> 00:35:52,898 When we started, he was 12. 284 00:35:53,069 --> 00:35:55,739 There I trained him in karate, karate jujitsu, Japanese style. 285 00:35:55,905 --> 00:35:57,775 That's all the fist-foot techniques... 286 00:36:00,117 --> 00:36:02,157 ...joint locks, floor pins, standing pins... 287 00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:05,288 ...a combination of karate, judo, aikido and atemi-jitsu. 288 00:36:05,456 --> 00:36:11,246 He learned how to fight with his hands, with knife, with swords. 289 00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:12,590 He learn all that. 290 00:36:14,715 --> 00:36:19,005 And he was ready to do Paul as a real "Paul." 291 00:36:21,806 --> 00:36:26,136 I trained Brontis six hours a day, seven days a week for two years. 292 00:36:42,577 --> 00:36:46,157 And all the person say to me, "But what you did? 293 00:36:47,081 --> 00:36:49,751 But why you are trying to change the mind... 294 00:36:49,917 --> 00:36:53,087 ...of child and to make a superior person?" 295 00:36:56,883 --> 00:36:59,933 I say, "No, I was only awakening the creativity." 296 00:37:02,138 --> 00:37:04,268 I opened his mind. 297 00:37:04,432 --> 00:37:06,232 That's what I was doing. 298 00:37:06,392 --> 00:37:09,692 I don't know if I changed his life. 299 00:37:09,854 --> 00:37:12,774 Now I am thinking, "Why I did that?" 300 00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:14,440 Sacrifice my son. 301 00:37:15,234 --> 00:37:21,914 But in that time, I say, if I need to out my arms in order to make that picture... 302 00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:24,454 ...I will cut my arms. I will do it. 303 00:37:25,161 --> 00:37:28,211 I was believing that to make a picture... 304 00:37:28,372 --> 00:37:35,172 ...who will give a mutation to the young minds... 305 00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:39,512 ...was sacred. You need to sacrifice yourself. 306 00:37:40,134 --> 00:37:42,684 I was even ready to die doing that. 307 00:38:01,572 --> 00:38:06,912 For me, science fiction was like a huge theater... 308 00:38:07,078 --> 00:38:09,578 ...like a huge work of art. 309 00:38:12,875 --> 00:38:15,795 Every spaceship was a being... 310 00:38:16,379 --> 00:38:20,049 ...like an insect, like a fabulous bird. 311 00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:23,393 That was the spaceship I wanted. 312 00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:29,599 Foss, I knew him in the covers of science-fiction books. 313 00:38:30,434 --> 00:38:34,944 They were ships with souls, like beings. 314 00:38:36,190 --> 00:38:38,030 It had to be Chris Foss. 315 00:39:38,794 --> 00:39:40,594 You are excrement. 316 00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:43,302 You can change yourself into gold. 317 00:40:56,497 --> 00:40:58,997 In that time, I was like a prophet, I was enlightened. 318 00:40:59,792 --> 00:41:04,462 And I gave to them the feeling they are not only making a picture. 319 00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:07,840 They are making something important for humanity. 320 00:41:08,008 --> 00:41:10,138 They have a mission. They was warriors. 321 00:44:11,275 --> 00:44:16,565 I was searching for... For the light of genius in every person... 322 00:44:16,739 --> 00:44:21,239 ...with an enormous respect, an enormous respect. 323 00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:25,290 And then, every day I was feeding them in order to... 324 00:44:25,456 --> 00:44:29,246 To be free, to do the best of them. 325 00:44:40,763 --> 00:44:45,273 Every morning, I give a big speech... 326 00:44:45,434 --> 00:44:51,404 ...like the person who make football or rugby... 327 00:44:51,565 --> 00:44:54,065 ...a speech with the players: 328 00:44:54,234 --> 00:44:58,324 Every morning, I make my speech. 329 00:44:58,489 --> 00:45:01,159 In order to say, "Do it, what you need to do... 330 00:45:01,325 --> 00:45:04,495 ...really, because this will be important." 331 00:45:45,411 --> 00:45:49,461 In that time, I was seducing Dali... 332 00:45:49,623 --> 00:45:53,673 ...because I wanted Dali as the mad emperor of the galaxy. 333 00:45:57,881 --> 00:46:01,051 Dali, to us, he seemed to be the only emperor of the world... 334 00:46:01,218 --> 00:46:05,598 ...with that extraordinary talent, with his speech and his wording. 335 00:46:06,974 --> 00:46:12,604 Can nobody understand Dali because myself, never understand my work. 336 00:46:12,771 --> 00:46:17,531 Never Dali understand one painting of Dali... 337 00:46:17,693 --> 00:46:22,113 ...because Dali only create enigmas. 338 00:46:22,573 --> 00:46:24,533 Dali was something, eh? 339 00:46:29,663 --> 00:46:33,003 The first time we went to New York was with Michel Seydoux. 340 00:46:34,585 --> 00:46:39,125 We went to the St. Regis because Michel Seydoux liked the St. Regis Hotel. 341 00:46:40,257 --> 00:46:43,797 And we discovered that Dali was also at the St. Regis Hotel! 342 00:46:43,969 --> 00:46:45,469 By chance. 343 00:46:45,637 --> 00:46:47,757 I was reading a book about the Tarot. 344 00:46:49,475 --> 00:46:52,805 And then I take a page where the Hanged Man... 345 00:46:55,689 --> 00:46:59,359 I write, "I want to see you because I will make a picture with you." 346 00:46:59,610 --> 00:47:04,700 He like it. To have this kind of invitation. He say, "I will see you. 347 00:47:05,449 --> 00:47:06,989 I wait you in the bar." 348 00:47:09,161 --> 00:47:12,291 The bar had a 6-meter long painting... 349 00:47:12,456 --> 00:47:15,076 ...pre-Rafaelite, where there was a king... 350 00:47:15,584 --> 00:47:21,674 ...and the nobles had a face like they were hiding something. 351 00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:26,889 Dali told me, "I like it here because there is a 6-meter painting... 352 00:47:27,054 --> 00:47:28,644 ...dedicated to a fart." 353 00:47:33,185 --> 00:47:36,475 Dali told me, "We are going to see each other in Paris. 354 00:47:36,647 --> 00:47:38,357 I am going to think about it." 355 00:47:51,286 --> 00:47:55,996 In Paris, on the Champs Elysées, there was a very fancy restaurant... 356 00:47:56,166 --> 00:47:59,206 ...and he was there with his court. 357 00:47:59,378 --> 00:48:03,628 He had 12-- Twelve persons at the table and him. 358 00:48:03,799 --> 00:48:07,839 "Sit down. I want to ask something to you." 359 00:48:08,345 --> 00:48:09,845 "What, Mr. Dali?" 360 00:48:10,847 --> 00:48:16,137 "When we was young, myself and Picasso, we went to the beach. 361 00:48:16,645 --> 00:48:19,605 And we open the door of the car... 362 00:48:19,773 --> 00:48:22,993 ...always in the sand, we find a clock." 363 00:48:24,528 --> 00:48:25,988 Clock, no? 364 00:48:26,405 --> 00:48:30,615 "Do you find, in your life, a clock in the sand?" 365 00:48:32,327 --> 00:48:34,997 And I say, "What I can answer?" 366 00:48:35,163 --> 00:48:37,043 It was very quick, like this, because... 367 00:48:37,207 --> 00:48:39,747 ...all the 12 person are awaiting my question. 368 00:48:39,918 --> 00:48:43,208 Because if I say I find, all the time, clocks... 369 00:48:43,922 --> 00:48:48,392 ...I will be a vanity person. Ridiculous. 370 00:48:48,802 --> 00:48:52,512 If I say I never find a clock, I will be a poor guy. 371 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,560 And suddenly came to me, I say: 372 00:48:55,726 --> 00:48:58,186 "I never find a clock. 373 00:48:58,687 --> 00:49:00,977 But I lost a lot." 374 00:49:03,942 --> 00:49:07,902 "Okay!" And then, "I wait you in Barcelona!" 375 00:49:11,617 --> 00:49:13,237 It was a game. 376 00:49:14,328 --> 00:49:19,918 Also, Jodorowsky was part of the surrealist movement... 377 00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:21,543 ...and Dali liked that. 378 00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:24,800 So it was a game between them. 379 00:49:24,963 --> 00:49:27,053 Who would win the game? 380 00:49:27,215 --> 00:49:29,635 He was going through his first adventure with Amanda Lear... 381 00:49:29,801 --> 00:49:34,101 ...this sort of extraordinarily sexy person. 382 00:49:34,264 --> 00:49:36,564 Nobody ever knew if it was a man or a woman... 383 00:49:36,725 --> 00:49:40,685 ...a completely incredible character. 384 00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:44,730 A sort of muse, a poet's muse. 385 00:50:02,793 --> 00:50:05,593 And you had to meet him, you had to tame him... 386 00:50:05,754 --> 00:50:07,804 ...and he needed to tame you. 387 00:50:07,964 --> 00:50:11,094 So he would make you go through these initiations each time. 388 00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:38,081 She treated me very well... 389 00:50:38,412 --> 00:50:40,082 ...and she became an ally... 390 00:50:40,247 --> 00:50:42,997 ...because I promised her the role of Princess lrulan. 391 00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:04,896 She said, "Be careful because Dali is destructive. 392 00:51:05,063 --> 00:51:07,903 If he says 'yes', he is going to do everything to destroy the film." 393 00:51:36,887 --> 00:51:40,307 Dali say to me, "I will work with you... 394 00:51:40,474 --> 00:51:44,274 ...but I want to be the actor... 395 00:51:44,603 --> 00:51:46,983 Best paid actor in Hollywood. 396 00:51:47,564 --> 00:51:52,534 I want $100,000 per hour." 397 00:51:52,986 --> 00:51:55,906 I went back and told Alejandro, "We're never going to make it!" 398 00:51:56,072 --> 00:51:58,122 But I couldn't pay him "the most in the world." 399 00:51:58,283 --> 00:51:59,333 That would be impossible. 400 00:51:59,785 --> 00:52:00,985 Then step by step... 401 00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:02,581 ...because we were stubborn and because Alejandro would tell me... 402 00:52:02,746 --> 00:52:04,786 ...that Dali was the only one who could play the emperor... 403 00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:07,290 ...the totalitarian emperor... 404 00:52:08,376 --> 00:52:11,916 ...we had the idea of paying him... 405 00:52:12,088 --> 00:52:13,718 ...by the minutes used. 406 00:52:14,382 --> 00:52:15,882 I go to see Alejandro... 407 00:52:16,051 --> 00:52:17,591 ...and ask, "How many minutes is he going to be filmed? 408 00:52:17,761 --> 00:52:19,931 How many minutes will he be in the movie?" 409 00:52:20,764 --> 00:52:25,064 Alejandro says, "Maximum five, probably three." 410 00:52:25,769 --> 00:52:26,899 So I said, "That's the idea!" 411 00:52:27,103 --> 00:52:30,903 I go back to see Dali and I say, "I will pay you $100,000 per minute!" 412 00:52:31,066 --> 00:52:36,196 He says, "That's brilliant! I will be the $100,000 a minute actor!" 413 00:52:38,114 --> 00:52:42,204 I said, "I will take a mold of you, hyper-realistic... 414 00:52:42,369 --> 00:52:45,289 ...and I will make the emperor of the galaxy... 415 00:52:45,455 --> 00:52:50,625 ...he is so afraid to be killed, he have a robot. And the robot will act." 416 00:52:55,841 --> 00:52:59,641 And Dali said, "Yes, if you give me the sculpture for my museum." 417 00:53:00,470 --> 00:53:04,310 "Okay." And then like this, I have Dali. 418 00:53:07,185 --> 00:53:12,935 And Dali, in our conversation, show me a catalog of Giger. 419 00:53:14,192 --> 00:53:16,992 And he say to me, "I think this person have a talent." 420 00:53:18,029 --> 00:53:21,029 I see that, I see-- But is incredible! 421 00:53:21,449 --> 00:53:24,659 Is what I am searching for the Harkonnen, for the bad guys. 422 00:53:25,787 --> 00:53:29,247 The gothic planet, gothic characters. 423 00:53:29,416 --> 00:53:32,996 And then I went to search Giger. 424 00:53:56,735 --> 00:54:04,865 Paris was where Jodorowsky and Dan O'Bannon saw my work displayed... 425 00:54:09,581 --> 00:54:15,961 ...and they wanted me to join them. 426 00:54:21,343 --> 00:54:23,643 Giger had never done movies. 427 00:54:24,721 --> 00:54:26,891 I said, "You have to make movies." 428 00:54:27,057 --> 00:54:32,897 It was completely new to me and incredibly fascinating. 429 00:54:34,147 --> 00:54:37,567 I say to Giger, "I need you as you are. 430 00:54:37,734 --> 00:54:43,074 You are searching in the deepest darkness of the soul. 431 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,579 And that is good. That is your art. 432 00:54:45,742 --> 00:54:49,792 Your art is-- For me, is an ill art. 433 00:54:49,955 --> 00:54:53,705 Marvelous, ill art, necessary for the Baron Harkonnen." 434 00:54:55,418 --> 00:54:59,708 I met Jodorowsky for the first time in Paris. 435 00:54:59,881 --> 00:55:05,801 This was the evening when he attended... 436 00:55:05,971 --> 00:55:09,351 ...a Magma concert. 437 00:55:15,188 --> 00:55:19,858 For the Harkonnen planet, I chose here in Paris... 438 00:55:20,026 --> 00:55:22,696 ...a very famous group in that time, is Magma. 439 00:55:23,905 --> 00:55:28,325 Magma was gothic, military... 440 00:55:30,161 --> 00:55:31,331 ...terrible. 441 00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:39,381 I knew nothing about the project, or the idea... 442 00:55:40,755 --> 00:55:44,965 ...or the book for that matter. I learned about all of that afterwards. 443 00:55:45,635 --> 00:55:49,755 Alejandro Jodorowsky didn't give us any direction on the music. 444 00:55:49,973 --> 00:55:51,933 I believe he trusted us. 445 00:55:52,434 --> 00:55:58,234 Now, I had an idea because he had described the planet, the Harkonnen. 446 00:55:58,398 --> 00:56:00,358 I knew that they were not really the good guys... 447 00:56:00,525 --> 00:56:02,485 ...that they were more like the bad guys. 448 00:56:02,652 --> 00:56:04,742 So it was rather easy to imagine because... 449 00:56:05,488 --> 00:56:10,118 ...Magma made music that was rather violent... 450 00:56:10,285 --> 00:56:12,495 ...typically hard, things like that. 451 00:56:16,041 --> 00:56:20,301 I was just amazed by the quality... 452 00:56:20,462 --> 00:56:26,592 ...and I told them I felt just like Christ when he was on the cross. 453 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,310 I was fulfilled, it was fascinating, the music. 454 00:56:33,266 --> 00:56:38,686 I was using the best musicians of this time, from rock. 455 00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:54,870 I wanted Mick Jagger to play Feyd-Rautha, a character. 456 00:57:00,168 --> 00:57:05,758 How am I going to contact this person... 457 00:57:05,924 --> 00:57:10,184 ...who is not going to be impressed that I have the great power to make a movie? 458 00:57:10,345 --> 00:57:15,725 He is in the peak of his fame, of his glory. How? 459 00:57:15,892 --> 00:57:19,902 And I was invited to an event in Paris. 460 00:57:20,063 --> 00:57:22,733 It was a big gathering of the Parisian bourgeoisie... 461 00:57:22,899 --> 00:57:25,069 ...and at the other side of the room, a big room... 462 00:57:25,235 --> 00:57:29,105 ...I don't know, maybe 150 square meters... 463 00:57:29,572 --> 00:57:31,742 ...was Mick Jagger. 464 00:57:31,908 --> 00:57:35,828 I saw him from a distance and I think he saw me... 465 00:57:35,995 --> 00:57:38,995 ...and I saw him walking, he started walking-- 466 00:57:39,165 --> 00:57:42,285 He started walking between the people... 467 00:57:42,502 --> 00:57:45,092 ...and then I realized that he was coming to me. 468 00:57:45,255 --> 00:57:48,925 He crossed the room and he stood in front of me. 469 00:57:49,092 --> 00:57:51,592 And I told him, "I want you for my movie." 470 00:57:51,761 --> 00:57:54,811 And he said only one word, "Yes." 471 00:57:56,808 --> 00:58:01,228 I was often invited to Andy Warhol's Factory... 472 00:58:01,437 --> 00:58:03,767 ...Candy Darling, and all those people. 473 00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:08,950 There I met Udo Kier, who was Andy Warhol's great actor. 474 00:58:13,032 --> 00:58:16,952 He had played great roles, and he said that he would act for me. 475 00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:46,501 Baron Harkonnen is a big, big monster... 476 00:59:48,086 --> 00:59:51,876 ...who have anti-gravitational implants... 477 00:59:52,048 --> 00:59:54,878 ...and he is in the air all the time because he is too heavy. 478 00:59:58,763 --> 01:00:00,273 Orson Welles. 479 01:00:07,397 --> 01:00:11,277 Orson Welles had a bad reputation... 480 01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:15,992 ...because they said that he liked to drink and eat... 481 01:00:16,864 --> 01:00:18,914 ...so much that he ate at the movies. 482 01:00:19,075 --> 01:00:24,205 He ate a lot, and then he did not finish the movies, he was moody. 483 01:00:24,372 --> 01:00:29,212 But I said, "No, Orson Welles is a genius, he is the one." 484 01:00:29,836 --> 01:00:35,216 And since he liked to eat, they say he goes to the gastronomic restaurants in Paris. 485 01:00:35,383 --> 01:00:39,603 Therefore, I sent a secretary to ask... 486 01:00:39,762 --> 01:00:44,102 ...in all the gastronomic restaurants in Paris: 487 01:00:44,267 --> 01:00:47,477 "Where does Orson Welles eat?" 488 01:00:48,604 --> 01:00:51,614 And we discover a restaurant and then he was eating. 489 01:00:51,774 --> 01:00:55,114 Six bottles of wine. He was eating. 490 01:00:55,278 --> 01:01:00,948 And then I asked to the chef, "What is the best wine he want?" 491 01:01:01,617 --> 01:01:04,407 He say, "That." Then, "Send him a bottle." 492 01:01:05,038 --> 01:01:08,078 And then, he drink the bottle and he want to speak with me. 493 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:14,380 And then, I speak with all the respect, because was for me was an idol. 494 01:01:15,006 --> 01:01:19,836 He say, "I don't want to do it. I don't want any more." 495 01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:24,930 I say to him, "I will propose something. 496 01:01:25,099 --> 01:01:29,689 If you do the picture, even if we pay what you want as an actor... 497 01:01:29,896 --> 01:01:35,936 ...I will hire the chef of this restaurant and you will eat, as here, every day." 498 01:01:36,277 --> 01:01:37,817 And he say, "I do it." 499 01:01:42,158 --> 01:01:47,248 I had the artworks from the movie... 500 01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:53,673 ...which I got from Moebius, who drew the storyboard, where one can see... 501 01:01:53,836 --> 01:01:57,166 ...the Harkonnen Castle. 502 01:01:58,132 --> 01:02:02,472 The castle was the big Baron Harkonnen, no? The big sculpture. 503 01:02:04,472 --> 01:02:06,812 That was where Baron Harkonnen lived. 504 01:02:06,974 --> 01:02:09,854 In himself! The big ego, no? 505 01:02:13,314 --> 01:02:17,194 The castle open the mouth, a tongue go there, out... 506 01:02:18,778 --> 01:02:21,108 ...and the spaceship came in the tongue. 507 01:02:38,756 --> 01:02:44,846 I was fascinated by the creation of the Harkonnen people... 508 01:02:45,012 --> 01:02:51,732 ...and when I airbrushed five paintings... 509 01:02:51,894 --> 01:02:57,694 ...I gave my best to create these designs. 510 01:03:22,175 --> 01:03:26,635 In order to go to the castle, there is a way with tubes. 511 01:03:26,804 --> 01:03:31,024 Enormous tubes. Come out knife. 512 01:03:32,226 --> 01:03:39,186 And then in order to go to the Baron Harkonnen, you need to walk this way... 513 01:03:40,943 --> 01:03:44,243 "escaping of the big knife who want to destroy you. 514 01:03:44,822 --> 01:03:50,412 If attacked, then the spears would be set in motion and impale the people... 515 01:03:50,578 --> 01:03:57,588 ...who stood in the way on the pathway up the castle. 516 01:03:57,919 --> 01:04:04,339 And in fact this Harkonnen fortress was never in the novel. 517 01:04:04,842 --> 01:04:11,472 So this was somehow in Alejandro Jodorowsky's translation... 518 01:04:13,351 --> 01:04:18,481 ...his interpretation of the story. 519 01:04:48,553 --> 01:04:52,313 When Paul get killed, he doesn't die because... 520 01:04:52,473 --> 01:04:57,193 ...the Messiah is all the humanity can get enlightened. 521 01:05:04,193 --> 01:05:10,373 In the end, his mind is the mind of every person. He's a plural being. 522 01:05:10,533 --> 01:05:14,873 I am the others. The others are me. 523 01:05:56,078 --> 01:05:58,998 And then, if the whole humanity get enlightened... 524 01:06:00,625 --> 01:06:01,955 ...the Earth changed. 525 01:06:06,297 --> 01:06:08,257 The planet of sand... 526 01:06:08,424 --> 01:06:14,604 ...start to grow plant, animals, be like a paradise. 527 01:06:30,821 --> 01:06:36,371 Dune is a Messiah of the planets because is a planet with consciousness. 528 01:06:36,535 --> 01:06:38,655 With the same consciousness of Paul. 529 01:06:38,829 --> 01:06:41,289 And the planet go to the universe... 530 01:06:41,457 --> 01:06:43,287 ...to illuminate the other planets. 531 01:06:48,881 --> 01:06:50,881 I changed the end of the book, evidently! 532 01:06:51,467 --> 01:06:53,387 In the book, it's a continuation. 533 01:06:53,552 --> 01:06:56,142 The planet never changed. 534 01:06:57,515 --> 01:07:01,595 Is not awake, with a cosmic consciousness. 535 01:07:02,311 --> 01:07:04,861 It's not a Messiah, the planet. I did that. 536 01:07:06,273 --> 01:07:07,983 It's different. It was my Dune. 537 01:07:11,195 --> 01:07:14,695 When you make a picture, you must not respect the novel. 538 01:07:15,324 --> 01:07:17,704 It's like you get married, no? 539 01:07:17,868 --> 01:07:21,498 You go with the wife, white, the woman is white... 540 01:07:21,664 --> 01:07:26,174 ...you take the woman, if you respect the woman, you will never have child. 541 01:07:27,461 --> 01:07:31,091 You need to open the costume and to... 542 01:07:31,257 --> 01:07:33,927 To rape the bride. 543 01:07:34,468 --> 01:07:38,258 And then you will have your picture. 544 01:07:38,681 --> 01:07:43,521 I was raping Frank Herbert, raping, like this! 545 01:07:43,686 --> 01:07:46,056 But with love, with love. 546 01:07:48,816 --> 01:07:50,686 And then I came with that. 547 01:07:54,447 --> 01:07:56,447 It was such a beautiful object. 548 01:07:56,615 --> 01:08:00,195 So well done and at the time, there were no photocopies. 549 01:08:00,369 --> 01:08:02,749 It was just photos of each drawing. 550 01:08:03,205 --> 01:08:04,455 In color... 551 01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,920 ...so well done... 552 01:08:07,084 --> 01:08:12,264 ...with so much detail about the costumes, about the techniques used. 553 01:08:12,673 --> 01:08:16,013 Every studio have one book like this. Every studio. 554 01:08:16,177 --> 01:08:19,097 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Universal, everything, all them... 555 01:08:19,263 --> 01:08:23,233 ...Michel Seydoux give a book like that. 556 01:08:24,185 --> 01:08:28,555 This approach was chosen precisely because... 557 01:08:28,731 --> 01:08:33,191 ...I was thinking they might have a certain distrust of Jodorowsky. 558 01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:38,120 But since we were showing the camera angles, since we explained each scene... 559 01:08:38,282 --> 01:08:40,662 ...the way we wanted to film it... 560 01:08:40,826 --> 01:08:42,656 ...they should have been relieved. 561 01:08:43,412 --> 01:08:46,082 But they weren't. It wasn't enough. 562 01:08:54,465 --> 01:08:57,425 In Los Angeles, I wasn't optimistic. 563 01:08:59,887 --> 01:09:01,597 The thing is that sometimes the French and the Americans... 564 01:09:01,764 --> 01:09:04,684 ...have difficult relationships, you know. 565 01:09:04,850 --> 01:09:06,770 Well, we have had. 566 01:09:06,936 --> 01:09:12,896 We were almost at the finish line, but we had to find the last $5 million. 567 01:09:13,776 --> 01:09:17,236 The film cost $15 million. Well, we estimated it as $15... 568 01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:22,869 We had been invited to Walt Disney studios by the chairman of the board. 569 01:09:24,078 --> 01:09:27,118 He looked through the project and said: 570 01:09:27,289 --> 01:09:30,839 "This is a wonderful project... 571 01:09:31,418 --> 01:09:33,418 ...but it is like the Concorde. 572 01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:37,297 It's an exceptional plane, but over here, never!" 573 01:09:37,466 --> 01:09:42,426 And there I said to myself that we were going to face a lot of problems. 574 01:10:11,458 --> 01:10:13,788 They always received us in a very friendly way... 575 01:10:13,961 --> 01:10:16,881 ...but it was always the same answer. 576 01:10:18,340 --> 01:10:21,050 When we would give them the book, they were very impressed. 577 01:10:21,218 --> 01:10:23,178 They had never seen anything like it. 578 01:10:23,929 --> 01:10:28,979 Each time, they would tell us, "it's superb. It's very well constructed. 579 01:10:29,894 --> 01:10:33,524 You've solved the technical problems of those special effects. 580 01:10:34,523 --> 01:10:35,863 It's economically reasonable. 581 01:10:37,276 --> 01:10:39,606 But we don't get your director." 582 01:10:48,537 --> 01:10:53,577 Hollywood did not visualize science fiction that way. 583 01:10:53,751 --> 01:10:56,961 It was in 2001: A Space Odyssey... 584 01:10:57,129 --> 01:10:59,419 ...or in small B movies. 585 01:10:59,590 --> 01:11:04,470 But a huge movie, that would cost millions of dollars with all the effects. 586 01:11:04,637 --> 01:11:06,887 They did not conceive of that. 587 01:11:07,264 --> 01:11:08,604 Maybe it was a bit long as well. 588 01:11:08,766 --> 01:11:13,436 Maybe the film was a bit too long. 589 01:11:14,438 --> 01:11:20,898 They asked me to make a picture one hour and a half, for the theaters. 590 01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:24,740 And myself, "No, why the time?" I will make a picture... 591 01:11:24,907 --> 01:11:28,617 ...of 12 hours! Or 2O hours! 592 01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:56,900 The totally outrageous side of Jodorowsky... 593 01:11:57,064 --> 01:12:01,614 ...especially after The Holy Mountain and ElTopo... 594 01:12:02,111 --> 01:12:05,411 ...did not give them faith that he could lead this very ambitious project. 595 01:12:05,572 --> 01:12:09,702 Because $15 million in the middle of the '70s was a lot of money. 596 01:12:10,369 --> 01:12:13,579 And that was their answer, even though they found everything else to be perfect. 597 01:12:13,747 --> 01:12:15,787 Everything was great, except the director. 598 01:12:16,291 --> 01:12:18,461 You have to be like a poet. 599 01:12:18,627 --> 01:12:22,207 Your movie must be just as you think of it and just as you want it. 600 01:12:22,381 --> 01:12:27,301 Do not take comments to change this or that from this person or the other. No! 601 01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:31,850 The movie has to be just like I dream it. 602 01:12:32,016 --> 01:12:37,556 The picture need to be exactly as I am dreaming the picture. 603 01:12:37,730 --> 01:12:40,730 Is a dream. Don't change my dream. 604 01:12:59,543 --> 01:13:02,763 This system make of us slaves. 605 01:13:03,297 --> 01:13:06,427 Without dignity. Without depth. 606 01:13:08,135 --> 01:13:12,005 With a devil in our pocket. 607 01:13:13,182 --> 01:13:16,522 This incredible money are in the pocket. 608 01:13:16,685 --> 01:13:20,225 This money. This shit. 609 01:13:21,065 --> 01:13:25,235 This nothing. This paper who have nothing inside. 610 01:13:27,362 --> 01:13:29,662 Movies have heart. 611 01:13:32,242 --> 01:13:33,662 Have mind. 612 01:13:35,454 --> 01:13:36,964 Have power. 613 01:13:37,873 --> 01:13:39,713 Have ambition. 614 01:13:39,875 --> 01:13:43,085 I wanted to do something like that. Why not? 615 01:14:53,282 --> 01:14:57,452 Very disappointed. Very disappointed because we all believed in it. 616 01:14:57,619 --> 01:14:59,749 I believed in it. 617 01:15:07,462 --> 01:15:09,512 Now, this is my take on it... 618 01:15:09,673 --> 01:15:11,933 ...but I think he didn't feel like... 619 01:15:12,092 --> 01:15:16,932 ...doing something else after such a project... 620 01:15:17,097 --> 01:15:20,267 ...which was the project of his life, I believe. That's my feeling. 621 01:15:20,434 --> 01:15:22,734 I think that the humiliation... 622 01:15:22,895 --> 01:15:25,975 ...that Alejandro Jodorowsky suffered, in not having been chosen... 623 01:15:26,148 --> 01:15:30,988 ...in having been eliminated for being too original, being too surrealistic... 624 01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,700 ...that is a permanent injury. 625 01:15:32,863 --> 01:15:35,823 I think that Jodorowsky carries that in his heart for life. 626 01:15:40,245 --> 01:15:45,075 I was convinced that it would be something great. 627 01:15:45,250 --> 01:15:50,420 But then Dino De Laurentiis' daughter... 628 01:15:50,589 --> 01:15:54,589 ...came along and took the project away from us... 629 01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,470 ...and gave it to David Lynch. 630 01:16:12,778 --> 01:16:17,868 And when I heard that David Lynch will direct that... 631 01:16:18,033 --> 01:16:22,453 ...I have a pain because I admire David Lynch. He can do it! 632 01:16:22,621 --> 01:16:26,961 He is the only one in this moment who can do it that and he will do it! 633 01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:33,053 I suffer because was my dream. Another person will do that... 634 01:16:33,715 --> 01:16:35,625 ...maybe better than me. 635 01:16:36,718 --> 01:16:39,928 And then when the picture, they will show the picture here... 636 01:16:40,555 --> 01:16:44,225 ...I say I will not go to see that because I will die. 637 01:16:44,726 --> 01:16:50,106 And my sons say, "No, we are warriors. You need to come and to see that." 638 01:16:51,108 --> 01:16:55,698 And then they take me, like an ill person I came to the theater. 639 01:16:57,614 --> 01:17:01,494 Even I think I will cry. And I start to see the picture... 640 01:17:01,660 --> 01:17:05,290 ...and step by step, step by step, step by step... 641 01:17:05,455 --> 01:17:08,915 ...I became happy because the picture was awful! 642 01:17:17,551 --> 01:17:18,971 Is a failure! 643 01:17:20,304 --> 01:17:23,224 Well, it's a human reaction, no? 644 01:17:24,516 --> 01:17:27,636 Is not beautiful, but I have that reaction. 645 01:17:28,353 --> 01:17:33,863 I say, "ls not possible. ls not David Lynch because he is a big artist." 646 01:17:34,026 --> 01:17:36,146 ls the producer who did that. 647 01:17:36,737 --> 01:17:39,817 I've never seen the movie and I never will. 648 01:18:25,410 --> 01:18:31,080 From this supposed failure, come a lot of creation. 649 01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:37,379 In the life, thing come, you say "yes." 650 01:18:37,589 --> 01:18:40,179 Thing go away, you say "yes." 651 01:18:40,342 --> 01:18:42,142 We don't do Dune? Yes! 652 01:18:43,261 --> 01:18:45,181 That is, yes, we don't do it! 653 01:18:45,347 --> 01:18:46,927 And then so what? 654 01:18:47,557 --> 01:18:49,477 And then so what? 655 01:18:50,185 --> 01:18:55,645 Dune is in the world like a dream, but dreams change the world also. 656 01:19:09,871 --> 01:19:11,121 I think it was a guide. 657 01:19:11,289 --> 01:19:12,369 A guide for some. 658 01:19:12,541 --> 01:19:17,211 In any case, I am convinced that our storyboard... 659 01:19:17,379 --> 01:19:19,049 ...made the rounds in the halls of Hollywood. 660 01:19:19,214 --> 01:19:22,594 I can't imagine that isn't the case. It pleases me to imagine that. 661 01:19:22,759 --> 01:19:24,179 You always have to see the positive. 662 01:22:19,644 --> 01:22:23,194 Giger. He make the monster of Alien. 663 01:22:26,735 --> 01:22:29,355 Why he make the monster of Alien? 664 01:22:29,529 --> 01:22:31,069 Because Dan O'Bannon. 665 01:22:32,657 --> 01:22:34,367 O'Bannon create Alien. 666 01:22:38,246 --> 01:22:42,496 They take Moebius, they take Giger, Foss. 667 01:22:48,089 --> 01:22:52,179 And Hollywood start to use my group. 668 01:22:53,887 --> 01:22:55,257 Was very fantastic. 669 01:23:48,274 --> 01:23:51,404 And then Moebius say to me, "What you will do? You will die?" 670 01:23:52,821 --> 01:23:54,741 No, I will not die. 671 01:23:54,906 --> 01:23:58,196 For me to fail is only to change the way. 672 01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:00,499 If we don't do that... 673 01:24:01,371 --> 01:24:04,121 ...the Dune we was doing is... 674 01:24:04,708 --> 01:24:10,128 The roots are the Dune of Herbert. But this Dune is us. 675 01:24:10,505 --> 01:24:13,675 Is the optical. ls a creation. 676 01:24:14,134 --> 01:24:18,724 And then, I will use everything I put in Dune to make comics. 677 01:24:19,264 --> 01:24:21,224 I say to Moebius, "Why we don't do a comic?" 678 01:24:21,391 --> 01:24:23,351 And I start to dictate The Inca/. 679 01:24:24,352 --> 01:24:27,982 A lot of images that are in here are in here. 680 01:24:51,713 --> 01:24:56,303 And then I find an Argentine, a Spanish, Juan Gimenez. 681 01:24:56,468 --> 01:25:01,888 And there I make all the spaceship I design for Dune are in The Metabarons. 682 01:25:02,682 --> 01:25:07,312 Even the Duke Leto. I made him castrated by a bull... 683 01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,979 ...and we find the sorcerer who will take a drop of his blood... 684 01:25:12,150 --> 01:25:13,570 ...in order to make the child. 685 01:25:13,735 --> 01:25:18,275 I did it here, is here, like I was shooting! I did it. 686 01:25:19,532 --> 01:25:23,752 I start with Dune, but I go farther, no? Farther. 687 01:25:24,287 --> 01:25:28,247 I continue and I did it, my work. 688 01:25:33,463 --> 01:25:39,093 I think Dune will be fantastic if somebody take this script... 689 01:25:39,260 --> 01:25:41,260 ...even if I am not alive... 690 01:25:41,429 --> 01:25:44,389 ...and do a picture in animation. 691 01:25:44,933 --> 01:25:46,813 Now is possible. 692 01:25:46,976 --> 01:25:49,396 I can die, they can do my picture. 693 01:25:51,606 --> 01:25:55,276 I have 84 years, but I am still creating. 694 01:25:55,443 --> 01:25:56,613 I am not: 695 01:25:58,071 --> 01:26:02,991 All my life I create, and is more and more and more. 696 01:26:03,201 --> 01:26:05,121 The mind is like a universe. 697 01:26:06,287 --> 01:26:08,997 It's constantly expanding. 698 01:26:09,165 --> 01:26:12,915 Like the universe, exactly like the universe, open the mind. 699 01:26:13,086 --> 01:26:17,336 The opening of the mind is every day, is open. 700 01:26:18,424 --> 01:26:24,064 That was this picture. Open the mind of all the persons who worked there. 701 01:26:24,681 --> 01:26:28,141 From the producer to the artists. From the workers... 702 01:26:28,309 --> 01:26:33,399 ...for every one was an opening of the mind, this work. 703 01:26:34,232 --> 01:26:38,782 Was ambitious, but not too. Was ambitious. 704 01:26:38,945 --> 01:26:41,945 Myself, I have the ambition to live 300 years. 705 01:26:42,824 --> 01:26:47,084 I will not live 300 years. Maybe I will live one year more. 706 01:26:47,245 --> 01:26:48,825 But I have the ambition. 707 01:26:49,372 --> 01:26:52,132 Why you will not have ambition? 708 01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:54,339 Why? 709 01:26:55,712 --> 01:26:59,052 Have the greatest ambition possible. 710 01:26:59,507 --> 01:27:02,257 You want to be immortal? Fight to be immortal. 711 01:27:03,261 --> 01:27:05,181 Do it. 712 01:27:05,513 --> 01:27:10,523 You want to make the most fantastic art of movie? Try. 713 01:27:12,061 --> 01:27:14,561 If you fail, is not important. 714 01:27:16,065 --> 01:27:17,355 We need to try.