1 00:00:24,709 --> 00:00:26,250 -(CHEERING) -ANNOUNCER: As she came here 2 00:00:26,333 --> 00:00:28,166 to Boston to compete in the Olympic Trials, 3 00:00:28,250 --> 00:00:30,583 she did so on a bad right leg. 4 00:00:32,917 --> 00:00:34,375 (AUDIENCE GASPS) 5 00:00:37,834 --> 00:00:40,125 -GYMNAST: It's bad. (SOBS) -TRAINER: Okay. 6 00:00:43,125 --> 00:00:44,917 -(GYMNAST SOBS) -TRAINER: All right. 7 00:00:50,166 --> 00:00:51,709 (SOBS) 8 00:00:51,792 --> 00:00:54,917 LARRY NASSAR: You okay? It's that knee? 9 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,291 -TRAINER: That's okay. -NASSAR: Um, no. Debbie-- 10 00:00:58,375 --> 00:01:00,333 We're gonna get her into the back room. 11 00:01:00,417 --> 00:01:01,709 -Okay? -GYMNAST: No, no. 12 00:01:01,792 --> 00:01:02,917 MAN: No, no, no. GYMNAST: No. 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,792 NASSAR: Hold on. They're going to start 14 00:01:04,875 --> 00:01:06,500 -getting her to the-- -MAN 2: Stand up for us. -GYMNAST: Yeah. 15 00:01:06,583 --> 00:01:08,000 NASSAR: Yep. Okay. Got here there? And up. 16 00:01:08,083 --> 00:01:10,333 -MAN: Are you okay? Okay? -(AUDIENCE CHEERS) 17 00:01:13,125 --> 00:01:16,750 -ANNOUNCER: This is gutsy stuff. -(AUDIENCE CHEERING FADES) 18 00:01:18,083 --> 00:01:22,792 NASSAR: (VOICE RECORDING) 19 00:01:28,834 --> 00:01:30,792 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 20 00:01:30,875 --> 00:01:32,458 USA Gymnastics, 21 00:01:32,542 --> 00:01:35,125 the number one team in the world. 22 00:01:35,208 --> 00:01:37,208 (CROWD CHEERING) 23 00:01:40,417 --> 00:01:42,834 LYNDSY GAMET: There's a whole institution of people 24 00:01:42,917 --> 00:01:45,417 who knew through these years. 25 00:01:45,500 --> 00:01:47,542 ANNOUNCER: Get the gold medals ready! 26 00:01:47,625 --> 00:01:49,917 (CHEERING) 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,667 ISABELL HUTCHINS: I don't know how anyone couldn't have known. 28 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:57,083 (CHEERING) 29 00:01:57,166 --> 00:02:00,583 KYM WILLIAMS: Who goes to their doctor's basement? 30 00:02:00,667 --> 00:02:02,792 ANNOUNCER 2: There's a lot on the line. 31 00:02:04,333 --> 00:02:06,834 DOMINIQUE MOCEANU: Why on Earth did they not report him then? 32 00:02:06,917 --> 00:02:09,041 REBECCA DAVIS O'BRIEN: You know, there are many missed opportunities. 33 00:02:09,125 --> 00:02:11,000 MARCI HAMILTON: They knew they needed a better system, 34 00:02:11,083 --> 00:02:12,625 and they sat on their hands. 35 00:02:12,709 --> 00:02:15,250 CHRISTINE BRENNAN: This is probably the darkest stain 36 00:02:15,333 --> 00:02:17,375 in U.S. Olympic history. 37 00:02:17,458 --> 00:02:20,625 -Wow. -You're strong. You're strong. 38 00:02:20,709 --> 00:02:22,625 What have you done? 39 00:02:22,709 --> 00:02:25,875 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 40 00:02:33,709 --> 00:02:36,500 (MOVIE PROJECTOR WHIRS) 41 00:02:41,709 --> 00:02:43,875 TRINEA GONCZAR: Gymnastics is kind of an interesting sport. 42 00:02:43,959 --> 00:02:47,166 You either are or you aren't one. 43 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:49,709 You know, they'll tell you right away if you're-- 44 00:02:49,792 --> 00:02:52,542 if you're going to go to the next level. 45 00:02:52,625 --> 00:02:57,291 They can see it in you, the way you jump, the way you move. 46 00:02:57,375 --> 00:02:59,250 I just always was one. 47 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:01,834 KATHY JOHNSON: I was perfectly suited for gymnastics. 48 00:03:01,917 --> 00:03:06,667 I was tiny, strong, fearless, loved flying, 49 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:08,291 loved-- little daredevil. 50 00:03:08,375 --> 00:03:13,375 It's... the most amazing feeling to be able to propel your body 51 00:03:13,458 --> 00:03:17,208 through the air and flip around and stick it. 52 00:03:18,166 --> 00:03:19,250 It is flying. 53 00:03:21,875 --> 00:03:23,625 The feeling of having power, that's, like, 54 00:03:23,709 --> 00:03:25,083 a lot of people don't talk about 55 00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:27,834 is, like, the flying thing comes after the power 56 00:03:27,917 --> 00:03:30,333 and feeling that, like, command over your body 57 00:03:30,417 --> 00:03:32,667 and doing stuff that regular people can't do. 58 00:03:32,750 --> 00:03:34,834 ANNOUNCER 3: Now watch this. Watch this. 59 00:03:34,917 --> 00:03:36,834 Back sommy right to the other bar. 60 00:03:36,917 --> 00:03:38,667 ANNOUNCER 4: Has that been done before by a girl? 61 00:03:38,750 --> 00:03:41,583 ANNOUNCER 3: Never! Never, not by any human that I know of. 62 00:03:41,667 --> 00:03:44,959 MIKE JACKI: Olga in '72, the American public, 63 00:03:45,041 --> 00:03:47,625 they were flabbergasted by what she was able to do. 64 00:03:47,709 --> 00:03:49,208 They were enamored by it. 65 00:03:49,291 --> 00:03:51,709 ♪ (CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 66 00:03:51,792 --> 00:03:54,458 ANNOUNCER 3: Isn't that something? 67 00:03:54,542 --> 00:03:57,709 I think the American culture is infatuated with gymnastics 68 00:03:57,792 --> 00:04:02,917 because every four years, you see these little, strong, 69 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,709 wonderful, talented, 70 00:04:04,792 --> 00:04:07,667 amazing athletes pop out on the big stage. 71 00:04:11,834 --> 00:04:13,834 (CHEERING) 72 00:04:13,917 --> 00:04:16,208 JULIET MACUR: I don't think that any other Olympic sport 73 00:04:16,291 --> 00:04:18,750 in the summertime really gets as many viewers, 74 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:20,917 just because it has everything. 75 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,917 It has the beauty, it has the power, 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,750 and the music, and the drama of it. 77 00:04:24,834 --> 00:04:27,375 -(CHEERING) -ANNOUNCER 5: And what a champion! 78 00:04:27,458 --> 00:04:30,375 Absolutely superb performance. 79 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,375 ANNOUNCER 6: Faultless. Absolutely faultless. 80 00:04:37,458 --> 00:04:39,250 (CHEERING) 81 00:04:39,333 --> 00:04:44,166 A 10 has gone on the board. That's perfection, 82 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:48,125 and that is Olympic history for Nadia Comaneci. 83 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000 MOCEANU: Wanting that Olympic dream, 84 00:04:53,083 --> 00:04:54,834 wanting to be the best in the world, 85 00:04:54,917 --> 00:04:58,208 you go and you train so hard day in and day out. 86 00:04:58,291 --> 00:05:00,166 No matter how bad people are treating you, 87 00:05:00,250 --> 00:05:03,000 you go back for more. You know? You go back for more 88 00:05:03,083 --> 00:05:04,458 because you want that dream. 89 00:05:04,542 --> 00:05:06,291 It's-- it's burning inside of you. 90 00:05:06,375 --> 00:05:09,375 GONCZAR: Elite Olympic gymnasts are typically, like, 15, 16, 91 00:05:09,458 --> 00:05:12,750 seventeen years old, the peak of their sport. 92 00:05:12,834 --> 00:05:15,041 So, you have to start young to get good 93 00:05:15,125 --> 00:05:17,709 to be still young and be the best. 94 00:05:19,083 --> 00:05:21,333 MACUR: I think that a lot of people think it's easy 95 00:05:21,417 --> 00:05:22,625 because they're so cute 96 00:05:22,709 --> 00:05:24,375 and they're so bouncy and smiley. 97 00:05:24,458 --> 00:05:26,625 But really, I don't think there's a sport that's harder 98 00:05:26,709 --> 00:05:30,291 in terms of the age where they expect to excel 99 00:05:30,375 --> 00:05:33,125 and the demands that the coaches put on them. 100 00:05:33,208 --> 00:05:35,250 I think it's mentally difficult 101 00:05:35,333 --> 00:05:37,583 and one of the most physically demanding sports. 102 00:05:39,458 --> 00:05:41,125 DAWN HOMER: You're going to get hurt, 103 00:05:41,208 --> 00:05:43,000 and you're not going to complain. 104 00:05:43,083 --> 00:05:46,333 It did not matter what happened to you. You were not to cry. 105 00:05:46,417 --> 00:05:49,667 There were things like when they would be racked. 106 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:52,291 Racking is just like a torture to these girls. 107 00:05:52,375 --> 00:05:56,291 It's trying to force them down into splits, 108 00:05:56,375 --> 00:05:59,333 and you've got such adult pressure being put 109 00:05:59,417 --> 00:06:00,834 on these little girls, 110 00:06:00,917 --> 00:06:04,542 And they are not to cry. They are not to yell out. 111 00:06:04,625 --> 00:06:07,125 But yet, you know they're in so much pain, 112 00:06:07,208 --> 00:06:12,792 but they just do it without complaint. 113 00:06:12,875 --> 00:06:15,583 This is the tricky part about our sport. 114 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:17,000 To be great... 115 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:22,375 takes so much energy, focus, 116 00:06:22,458 --> 00:06:27,375 intense training... training through fatigue, 117 00:06:27,458 --> 00:06:29,834 sometimes injury, as long as it's... 118 00:06:29,917 --> 00:06:34,375 not an injury that's going to be dangerous or debilitating. 119 00:06:34,458 --> 00:06:38,375 But sometimes things are-- everything hurts. 120 00:06:38,458 --> 00:06:41,166 That's-- that's the whole thing about being a great gymnast. 121 00:06:42,709 --> 00:06:45,000 It's almost like being a wounded animal. 122 00:06:45,083 --> 00:06:48,875 You don't show your weakness. You don't show that you're hurt. 123 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:50,458 COACH: Same position. 124 00:06:51,291 --> 00:06:53,125 Ah. 125 00:06:53,208 --> 00:06:56,166 JESSICA O'BEIRNE: Gymnastics is not a sport with a lot of... 126 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:58,250 back and forth communication. 127 00:06:58,333 --> 00:07:02,417 It's a lot of... soldier, learning how to be a soldier. 128 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:04,166 O'BRIEN: These women have to perform 129 00:07:04,250 --> 00:07:07,083 so that USA Gymnastics brings in sponsorships 130 00:07:07,166 --> 00:07:09,375 so that US Olympic Committee can be proud of them 131 00:07:09,458 --> 00:07:11,291 and trot them out every four years for all of us 132 00:07:11,375 --> 00:07:14,250 to watch so that NBC viewers can-- 133 00:07:14,333 --> 00:07:17,000 you know it's a money machine. And at the heart of it 134 00:07:17,083 --> 00:07:21,000 are teenage girls and their bodies. 135 00:07:21,083 --> 00:07:25,208 It seems like a... arrangement that's bound to create abuse. 136 00:07:27,125 --> 00:07:30,000 The former team doctor for USA Gymnastics 137 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:33,041 for twenty years is facing dozens of accusations 138 00:07:33,125 --> 00:07:36,291 of sexual abuse including one from a former Olympian. 139 00:07:36,375 --> 00:07:38,417 REPORTER: One of the women has filed a criminal complaint 140 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:40,583 against Nassar with Michigan police. 141 00:07:40,667 --> 00:07:43,000 The other has filed a lawsuit in California. 142 00:07:43,083 --> 00:07:47,083 Former Michigan State University and Team USA Gymnastics doctor, 143 00:07:47,166 --> 00:07:49,959 Larry Nassar, has been arrested. 144 00:07:50,041 --> 00:07:52,542 O'BEIRNE: When I first heard about Nassar, 145 00:07:52,625 --> 00:07:54,000 I was completely shocked, 146 00:07:54,083 --> 00:07:56,291 and then I totally wasn't shocked at all 147 00:07:56,375 --> 00:07:59,458 because he's in exactly the position 148 00:07:59,542 --> 00:08:00,959 to get away with this. 149 00:08:01,041 --> 00:08:03,083 Like, if you were a child predator, 150 00:08:03,166 --> 00:08:06,000 you would become him. It's so perfect. 151 00:08:06,083 --> 00:08:09,041 MACUR: Larry Nassar was a doctor for USA Gymnastics 152 00:08:09,125 --> 00:08:11,083 for more than twenty years. 153 00:08:11,166 --> 00:08:12,917 He had worked with Michigan State 154 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,959 for just as long. 155 00:08:15,041 --> 00:08:17,667 SCOTT REID: He was a physician at Michigan State University, 156 00:08:17,750 --> 00:08:19,375 and then he would be called into camps, 157 00:08:19,458 --> 00:08:21,000 these periodic-- these monthly camps 158 00:08:21,083 --> 00:08:22,792 for the women's national team. 159 00:08:22,875 --> 00:08:25,417 And then World Championships, major international 160 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:27,500 national team events, he'd be right there. 161 00:08:27,583 --> 00:08:29,417 MACUR: His contract with Michigan State said 162 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:32,542 you have to also do outreach in the community. 163 00:08:32,625 --> 00:08:34,917 So, he also worked with high schools 164 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,333 and local gyms. 165 00:08:36,417 --> 00:08:40,583 So, literally, he had his hands on hundreds of children 166 00:08:40,667 --> 00:08:42,959 every year for many years. 167 00:08:45,417 --> 00:08:48,000 HOMER: When Trinea became a level five, 168 00:08:48,083 --> 00:08:50,667 we were all invited to a big meeting. 169 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:53,583 And in the meeting, they said, "100 percent 170 00:08:53,667 --> 00:08:55,250 of your children will be injured." 171 00:08:56,542 --> 00:08:58,667 And then I remember being introduced 172 00:08:58,750 --> 00:09:01,333 to Larry as a trainer. 173 00:09:01,417 --> 00:09:04,750 And I thought, "Oh good, there's a safety net. 174 00:09:04,834 --> 00:09:07,542 If they get injured, there's a trainer." 175 00:09:07,625 --> 00:09:10,125 I felt we were lucky to have Larry. 176 00:09:10,834 --> 00:09:12,792 He was seen as... 177 00:09:12,875 --> 00:09:16,542 like the guardian angel of the gymnasts. 178 00:09:16,625 --> 00:09:19,333 He was all about, you know, protecting the athletes. 179 00:09:19,417 --> 00:09:23,709 And that's not something we often hear in the elite space. 180 00:09:23,792 --> 00:09:25,750 NASSAR: (RECORDING) Not just physically, 181 00:09:25,834 --> 00:09:31,041 but mentally, you have to protect your athletes. 182 00:09:31,125 --> 00:09:33,875 You have to let them know that we care. You have to-- 183 00:09:33,959 --> 00:09:35,709 not let them know, but let them feel it, 184 00:09:35,792 --> 00:09:38,458 let them understand it, let them breathe it. 185 00:09:38,542 --> 00:09:40,208 It's-- it's there. You know? 186 00:09:40,291 --> 00:09:42,375 It's not just a pat on the back. 187 00:09:42,458 --> 00:09:47,542 You know what I mean? It has to be sincere that we care. 188 00:09:47,625 --> 00:09:51,166 Larry Nassar was the good guy in this whole web of people 189 00:09:51,250 --> 00:09:53,166 you have to deal with-- with gymnastics. 190 00:09:53,250 --> 00:09:56,083 How could a gymnast not say, "Wow, this guy's so nice to me? 191 00:09:56,166 --> 00:09:58,250 Everybody else is so mean. They want me to-- 192 00:09:58,333 --> 00:10:00,458 to do an extra routine, or my leg hurts 193 00:10:00,542 --> 00:10:02,542 and they want me to keep running or something." 194 00:10:02,625 --> 00:10:05,375 He was brilliant at fooling these girls into trusting him. 195 00:10:05,458 --> 00:10:06,917 And... and I don't know how he got 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,542 the Károlyis to turn their backs, 197 00:10:08,625 --> 00:10:10,417 or maybe he did it behind their back. 198 00:10:10,500 --> 00:10:12,750 I'm not sure how much the Károlyis knew. 199 00:10:12,834 --> 00:10:16,166 I don't know for sure if they knew about him. 200 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:20,333 Did they know that he was alone with gymnasts? Yes. 201 00:10:20,417 --> 00:10:22,583 Should they have known that was against a policy, 202 00:10:22,667 --> 00:10:24,667 that there were policies and procedures in place 203 00:10:24,750 --> 00:10:26,500 and he was violating them? Yes. 204 00:10:27,667 --> 00:10:29,375 Did they care? No. 205 00:10:29,458 --> 00:10:32,125 That gold medal gymnastics coach, Béla Károlyi, 206 00:10:32,208 --> 00:10:34,375 has yet another winner on his hands. 207 00:10:34,458 --> 00:10:36,875 REPORTER 2: Béla Károlyi is the gymnastics coach 208 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:38,792 who brought Nadia Comaneci and Mary Lou Retton 209 00:10:38,875 --> 00:10:40,041 to Olympic fame. 210 00:10:40,125 --> 00:10:42,125 I'm not concerning about anything else 211 00:10:42,208 --> 00:10:44,125 than to be the winner, to win. 212 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,417 And I love to win. (LAUGHS) That's the truth. 213 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:51,041 Stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger. Round it. In. There. 214 00:10:51,125 --> 00:10:54,375 (BÉLA KÁROLYI INSTRUCTING INDISTINCTLY) 215 00:10:55,750 --> 00:10:59,291 Hit it. And up. That's not good. 216 00:10:59,375 --> 00:11:00,959 You're not doing the right thing. 217 00:11:01,041 --> 00:11:04,208 Hold that. (CONTINUES INSTRUCTIONS IN ROMANIAN) 218 00:11:08,834 --> 00:11:11,333 MACUR: Béla and Márta Károlyi are the most famous coaches 219 00:11:11,417 --> 00:11:13,000 in gymnastics history. 220 00:11:13,083 --> 00:11:15,041 REID: Béla Károlyi was the architect 221 00:11:15,125 --> 00:11:16,500 of the Romanian dynasty. 222 00:11:16,583 --> 00:11:18,917 In the late '70s, Béla comes around 223 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,166 with Nadia Comaneci and others and becomes 224 00:11:21,250 --> 00:11:24,625 the premiere global superpower in gymnastics. 225 00:11:26,834 --> 00:11:31,250 At the time, the gymnasts were mostly over 20 years old. 226 00:11:31,333 --> 00:11:34,125 It was really a women's sport. 227 00:11:34,208 --> 00:11:37,542 GEZA POZSAR: Béla and Márta changed the concept 228 00:11:37,625 --> 00:11:41,875 of gymnastics to train very young children, 229 00:11:41,959 --> 00:11:45,458 very intensive training from six years old. 230 00:11:45,542 --> 00:11:48,625 MOCEANU: He had this philosophy. Do enough repetition, 231 00:11:48,709 --> 00:11:51,417 and you stay prepubescent and you don't gain weight, 232 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,583 you're going to get those girls to hit. 233 00:11:53,667 --> 00:11:56,750 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 234 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,417 REID: These monthly camps at the Károlyi Ranch in Texas 235 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:12,333 were a huge factor in creating this culture 236 00:12:12,417 --> 00:12:14,166 that created Larry Nassar. 237 00:12:16,375 --> 00:12:19,041 So, the Károlyi Ranch is located 238 00:12:19,125 --> 00:12:22,208 near this little town called New Waverly, Texas, 239 00:12:22,291 --> 00:12:24,250 like a filling station, as they call them in Texas, 240 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:26,667 and I think-- I don't even know if they have a stoplight. 241 00:12:26,750 --> 00:12:29,834 You get off the freeway and then you-- you're actually 242 00:12:29,917 --> 00:12:32,083 in the Sam Houston National Forest, 243 00:12:32,166 --> 00:12:34,083 and you're going down this red dirt road 244 00:12:34,166 --> 00:12:35,542 deeper and deeper into this forest. 245 00:12:35,625 --> 00:12:37,458 It's like straight out of a movie. 246 00:12:37,542 --> 00:12:40,333 And you finally come upon this compound of a gym 247 00:12:40,417 --> 00:12:42,417 and a couple-- a house, and like a dorm. 248 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:44,625 There's snakes everywhere, and bugs, 249 00:12:44,709 --> 00:12:46,291 and it's hotter than hell. 250 00:12:46,375 --> 00:12:49,667 And it's just this Texan nightmare. 251 00:12:49,750 --> 00:12:52,500 O'BEIRNE: The way that the Károlyis implemented the system was, 252 00:12:52,583 --> 00:12:54,333 "We don't want you to lose focus. 253 00:12:54,417 --> 00:12:56,750 We want you 100 percent focused on gymnastics. 254 00:12:56,834 --> 00:12:59,083 Bond with your team. That's it." 255 00:12:59,166 --> 00:13:01,417 JACKI: No phones, no internet... 256 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:03,834 Very controlled. They had things that 257 00:13:03,917 --> 00:13:05,667 were written to the athletes that said 258 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:07,417 while you were at the ranch, 259 00:13:07,500 --> 00:13:10,250 you could not go to your personal coach. 260 00:13:10,333 --> 00:13:11,625 Or your parents. 261 00:13:13,375 --> 00:13:14,750 Now, is that a little bit weird? 262 00:13:14,834 --> 00:13:17,041 You say to somebody, "You can't go to your parents?" 263 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,792 REID: One of the main themes about the Károlyi philosophy 264 00:13:21,875 --> 00:13:24,041 is athletic Darwinism. 265 00:13:24,125 --> 00:13:26,458 There are so many kids out there, 266 00:13:26,542 --> 00:13:28,083 the U.S. is so deep now, 267 00:13:28,166 --> 00:13:30,625 that if you can't hold up physically, 268 00:13:30,709 --> 00:13:32,750 or if you can't handle it mentally, 269 00:13:32,834 --> 00:13:34,917 well, there's somebody dying to get in here 270 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,542 who will pay the price. 271 00:13:36,625 --> 00:13:40,125 So, they knew they could push these kids hard, hard, hard. 272 00:13:40,208 --> 00:13:43,542 This kind of, like, brutal, "Do a lot of numbers, 273 00:13:43,625 --> 00:13:45,375 as many numbers as possible till you do it, 274 00:13:45,458 --> 00:13:47,125 doesn't matter if you're falling flat on your back 275 00:13:47,208 --> 00:13:49,083 five, ten, fifteen, twenty times. 276 00:13:49,166 --> 00:13:50,709 Doesn't matter if you're injured. 277 00:13:50,792 --> 00:13:53,625 You-- you better not speak up," was the whole mentality 278 00:13:53,709 --> 00:13:55,583 in the environment. You'd better not or else 279 00:13:55,667 --> 00:13:58,000 we're going to take your Olympic dream away. 280 00:13:58,083 --> 00:14:01,000 REID: You're beat up. You have coaches screaming at you, 281 00:14:01,083 --> 00:14:02,792 bullying you into doing stuff that you're not 282 00:14:02,875 --> 00:14:05,208 either ready to do or you're too tired to do. 283 00:14:05,291 --> 00:14:07,041 So, you're put in dangerous situations. 284 00:14:07,125 --> 00:14:09,333 Nassar was the guy-- he was the positive guy. 285 00:14:09,417 --> 00:14:11,500 He's the guy who snuck them food, gave them candy, 286 00:14:11,583 --> 00:14:12,834 let them borrow a cell phone. 287 00:14:12,917 --> 00:14:14,667 I mean, you talk to all these women 288 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:16,333 who were on the national team who were abused by him, 289 00:14:16,417 --> 00:14:18,000 they said, "You know, he was our friend. 290 00:14:18,083 --> 00:14:20,250 If Larry's doing this, it must be okay because he-- 291 00:14:20,333 --> 00:14:23,000 he's our friend. He's, like, the one guy we trusted. 292 00:14:23,083 --> 00:14:25,834 INTERVIEWER: What was your impression of Larry Nassar? 293 00:14:25,917 --> 00:14:29,500 Well, was a great guy. I mean, 294 00:14:29,583 --> 00:14:32,000 I ask him to help my gymnasts from my gym. 295 00:14:32,083 --> 00:14:35,125 I called him at nighttime and next day, he helped me, 296 00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:40,417 uh, send me the X-ray. You know? He didn't ask for any payment. 297 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,083 When you're around sports for a long time, 298 00:14:42,166 --> 00:14:43,709 you see team doctors, and... 299 00:14:43,792 --> 00:14:46,375 Nassar always kinda struck me as a little bit different 300 00:14:46,458 --> 00:14:48,875 from guys in that position in other sports. 301 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:52,709 He kinda seemed not quite up to speed. 302 00:14:52,792 --> 00:14:55,709 He's kind of a dopey guy along for the ride. 303 00:14:55,792 --> 00:14:58,709 The thing about USA Gymnastics, for all their global success, 304 00:14:58,792 --> 00:15:00,709 it's kind of a small-time operation. 305 00:15:00,792 --> 00:15:03,875 The people there are there because the Károlyis' blessing 306 00:15:03,959 --> 00:15:06,125 that they're not gonna rock the boat. 307 00:15:07,208 --> 00:15:08,917 MOCEANU: Márta liked that Nassar 308 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,375 would toe the company line. 309 00:15:10,458 --> 00:15:12,208 He would tell them exactly what they want to hear. 310 00:15:12,291 --> 00:15:14,041 There were girls that got injured, and... 311 00:15:14,125 --> 00:15:17,125 you wanna get a gymnast back? Sure, we can get her back. 312 00:15:17,208 --> 00:15:19,375 He would just kind of play the game 313 00:15:19,458 --> 00:15:22,208 because he wanted the access. 314 00:15:22,291 --> 00:15:25,041 He had access to these kids pretty much around the clock. 315 00:15:25,125 --> 00:15:26,625 He was doing this all kinds of places, 316 00:15:26,709 --> 00:15:28,333 in dorm rooms at the Károlyi Ranch, 317 00:15:28,417 --> 00:15:30,709 in dorm rooms at the Sydney Olympics, 318 00:15:30,792 --> 00:15:33,166 you know, hotel rooms, wherever. 319 00:15:33,250 --> 00:15:35,208 NASSAR: The view from the hotel room 320 00:15:35,291 --> 00:15:37,166 where we're staying at. 321 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:40,000 At nighttime, "the City of Lights," they call this. 322 00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:43,166 Just got back from training. 323 00:15:45,583 --> 00:15:47,792 MACUR: It's hard for me to even fathom the fact that, 324 00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:50,000 you know, we'd see these gymnasts at these Olympics, 325 00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:51,709 and they're interviewing with us, saying, 326 00:15:51,792 --> 00:15:53,583 "Oh, well, I just came back from treatment." 327 00:15:53,667 --> 00:15:55,625 Looking back now, my gosh, these girls were coming 328 00:15:55,709 --> 00:15:58,375 to talk to us right after they were abused by this doctor 329 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:01,125 who's, like, always smiley and, you know, uh, 330 00:16:01,208 --> 00:16:03,125 looked like, oh, everybody's best friend, 331 00:16:03,208 --> 00:16:05,166 giving people gifts. He was so sweet. 332 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:08,000 I mean, it's-- it's, like, Sexual Abuse 101. 333 00:16:10,583 --> 00:16:13,250 NASSAR: Grab that. Okay. Come back with your back hand, 334 00:16:13,333 --> 00:16:15,709 wrap it around. Got it. Come around. 335 00:16:17,125 --> 00:16:18,500 Pull down. There you go. 336 00:16:18,583 --> 00:16:20,083 Grab with your other hand and pull up. 337 00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:21,792 So, the athlete can do this themselves. 338 00:16:21,875 --> 00:16:25,000 The athlete can learn to do the Kinesio Tape themselves too. 339 00:16:25,083 --> 00:16:26,583 Because it's in a sensitive area-- 340 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:29,000 GONCZAR: I find it hard to look at him... 341 00:16:29,083 --> 00:16:30,875 as, like, a criminal, 342 00:16:30,959 --> 00:16:33,667 aside from all of the things he did, 343 00:16:33,750 --> 00:16:35,834 because that's no-- I mean, and I, I don't know. 344 00:16:35,917 --> 00:16:37,542 I don't really know another criminal. 345 00:16:37,625 --> 00:16:40,083 I don't know another serial child molester. 346 00:16:40,166 --> 00:16:42,959 He was so good at being who he was 347 00:16:43,041 --> 00:16:47,208 on the other side of that. Like he was, I mean... 348 00:16:47,291 --> 00:16:49,750 he was awesome. (CHUCKLES) I hate even saying that 349 00:16:49,834 --> 00:16:52,291 'cause it's, like, counter-intuitive of, like, 350 00:16:52,375 --> 00:16:55,625 what the heck's happening to us. But... 351 00:16:55,709 --> 00:16:58,542 he was awesome. (CHUCKLES) That's why we all loved him. 352 00:16:58,625 --> 00:17:00,709 I would have considered him a friend. 353 00:17:00,792 --> 00:17:04,417 Uh, it's very, like when I first heard about it, 354 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,667 my immediate reaction wasn't, "That's impossible." 355 00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:10,667 My immediate reaction was, "Please don't let it be true," 356 00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:14,000 because this is a man that I trusted. 357 00:17:14,083 --> 00:17:16,834 We would sit and talk for hours, and he would tell me 358 00:17:16,917 --> 00:17:19,667 about what a great philosophy I had and how he loved 359 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:24,208 how I protected children and um, you know, all of this stuff 360 00:17:24,291 --> 00:17:25,959 that just makes me look back and go, 361 00:17:26,041 --> 00:17:28,083 "God, what a master manipulator he was." 362 00:17:28,166 --> 00:17:31,542 He was a typical serial pedophile. 363 00:17:31,625 --> 00:17:33,625 Charming, powerful... 364 00:17:33,709 --> 00:17:38,458 He was able to pull the wool over all of the adults' faces. 365 00:17:38,542 --> 00:17:41,417 What do you look for in a child sex abuser? 366 00:17:41,500 --> 00:17:44,333 And the answer is, the nice guy. 367 00:17:44,417 --> 00:17:46,041 It's kind of easy for them 368 00:17:46,125 --> 00:17:49,834 because they find places where it is easy. 369 00:17:49,917 --> 00:17:53,083 A priest, an ultra-Orthodox rabbi, 370 00:17:53,166 --> 00:17:56,875 a coach, a doctor for the gymnastics team. 371 00:17:56,959 --> 00:17:59,208 MICK GREWAL: These girls adored him and trusted him, 372 00:17:59,291 --> 00:18:00,959 and that's not just gymnasts. 373 00:18:01,041 --> 00:18:04,917 Larry Nassar saw anybody who had a complaint: 374 00:18:05,041 --> 00:18:09,417 gymnasts, rowers, cheerleaders, dancers. 375 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:13,083 He lived three miles from me in Holt, Michigan. 376 00:18:13,166 --> 00:18:16,458 It was just like a normal suburb neighborhood. 377 00:18:16,542 --> 00:18:21,834 He was a personable, God-fearing Catholic man. 378 00:18:21,917 --> 00:18:24,250 KRISTEN THELEN: He was so involved in the community. 379 00:18:24,333 --> 00:18:25,959 He volunteered at the church. 380 00:18:26,041 --> 00:18:28,250 He volunteered at the high schools. 381 00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:32,625 He was almost everywhere we went, always smiling, 382 00:18:32,709 --> 00:18:34,000 charismatic... 383 00:18:35,333 --> 00:18:37,959 overly involved in our lives. 384 00:18:38,041 --> 00:18:41,709 GAMET: I was 14, and I wanted to be a doctor, 385 00:18:41,792 --> 00:18:45,542 so Larry brought me to Take Your Daughter to Work Day. 386 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:47,375 We had each other's phone numbers. 387 00:18:47,458 --> 00:18:49,208 I would text him almost daily. 388 00:18:49,291 --> 00:18:52,667 We were friends on Facebook. He'd post on my wall. 389 00:18:52,750 --> 00:18:54,834 MELODY POSTHUMA: He shared his Instagram, 390 00:18:54,917 --> 00:18:58,625 so I knew his children's names and faces, and his wife. 391 00:18:58,709 --> 00:19:00,625 He'd ask about your personal life. 392 00:19:00,709 --> 00:19:02,750 He knew about my friendships. 393 00:19:02,834 --> 00:19:04,583 He knew what classes I was taking, 394 00:19:04,667 --> 00:19:06,291 where I wanted to go to college. 395 00:19:06,375 --> 00:19:09,291 He was a friend, a confidant, at one time. 396 00:19:09,375 --> 00:19:14,125 Nassar was extremely well liked, but he was also... admired 397 00:19:14,208 --> 00:19:16,625 as someone who was doing amazing things 398 00:19:16,709 --> 00:19:18,583 for female gymnasts. 399 00:19:18,667 --> 00:19:20,792 Thank you for visiting GymnasticsDoctor.com, 400 00:19:20,875 --> 00:19:23,208 where you can see over 400 educational videos 401 00:19:23,291 --> 00:19:25,458 on how to rehabilitate your gymnast. 402 00:19:25,542 --> 00:19:27,625 So, with a weak glute medius muscle, 403 00:19:27,709 --> 00:19:28,959 this drops down, 404 00:19:29,041 --> 00:19:31,000 the foot rolls, and she's got the-- 405 00:19:31,083 --> 00:19:33,458 the weakness in the-- in the hip area here. 406 00:19:33,542 --> 00:19:35,333 Come off your toes and come back, 407 00:19:35,417 --> 00:19:38,166 all in one motion. Toes, arms, go. 408 00:19:38,250 --> 00:19:40,625 THELEN: Every appointment, he would 409 00:19:40,709 --> 00:19:42,542 have his hands all over me, 410 00:19:42,625 --> 00:19:45,834 adjusting me, massaging my back. 411 00:19:45,917 --> 00:19:48,500 And what some people might not understand, 412 00:19:48,583 --> 00:19:51,625 that this is a really big part of gymnastics 413 00:19:51,709 --> 00:19:53,208 that he took advantage of, 414 00:19:53,291 --> 00:19:58,166 that we're used to having adults spotting us, helping us stretch. 415 00:19:58,250 --> 00:20:00,792 We're used to having adults touch us. 416 00:20:00,875 --> 00:20:04,834 But Larry took it a step further. 417 00:20:04,917 --> 00:20:08,500 He explained to my mom, "I'm going to put my hands 418 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:11,709 near a very private place on your daughter." 419 00:20:11,792 --> 00:20:15,542 He didn't ask. He just said that that's what he was going to do. 420 00:20:15,625 --> 00:20:19,041 Larry Nassar pretty much had a-- a primary method. 421 00:20:19,125 --> 00:20:21,709 You would come to him and, "I have a backache. 422 00:20:21,792 --> 00:20:24,000 I have a hip problem." 423 00:20:24,083 --> 00:20:26,166 He would stick his ungloved... 424 00:20:26,250 --> 00:20:29,709 unlubricated hand in your vaginal cavity 425 00:20:29,792 --> 00:20:32,917 and do what he called "a vaginal adjustment." 426 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,291 And it was, like, this catchall treatment. 427 00:20:35,375 --> 00:20:38,959 You know, stuff that was nowhere near your pelvic area, 428 00:20:39,041 --> 00:20:41,500 this was like, "This'll make it better." 429 00:20:41,583 --> 00:20:43,083 JESSICA ANN SMITH: He told me that 430 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,667 I would probably be uncomfortable 431 00:20:44,750 --> 00:20:47,667 and kind of explained that in the vagina, 432 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:49,667 there's a trigger point, or pressure point, 433 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:52,250 that would release to help him work on my ankle 434 00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:53,500 to be less painful. 435 00:20:53,583 --> 00:20:55,917 In my case, I wasn't given a heads up 436 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,083 or any kind of explanation about the procedure. 437 00:20:58,166 --> 00:21:00,500 I think he just said, "Tell me if this hurts." 438 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,250 Like, which it did, 439 00:21:05,333 --> 00:21:07,625 but everything that he was doing hurt. 440 00:21:07,709 --> 00:21:09,375 He was doing, like, pressure points 441 00:21:09,458 --> 00:21:10,750 and manipulations and, like, 442 00:21:10,834 --> 00:21:12,917 pushing on my muscles with his elbows. 443 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Um. I was pretty used to just, like... 444 00:21:16,083 --> 00:21:18,250 buckling down and taking whatever pain. 445 00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:21,500 You're always told by coaches, teachers, "No pain, no gain." 446 00:21:21,583 --> 00:21:23,041 So, when something's painful, 447 00:21:23,125 --> 00:21:25,083 you're thinking, "This is helping me, 448 00:21:25,166 --> 00:21:27,417 and I'm getting better because of it." 449 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:29,500 I remember being like, 450 00:21:29,583 --> 00:21:31,917 "Can I survive this for another two minutes?" 451 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,291 Watching the clock on my phone, 452 00:21:33,375 --> 00:21:35,166 waiting for five minutes to go past, 453 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,959 ten minutes to go past, up to 45 minutes or an hour. 454 00:21:38,041 --> 00:21:41,333 So, his appointments would be two hours long. 455 00:21:41,417 --> 00:21:45,083 My analysis is, an hour was medical, professional, 456 00:21:45,166 --> 00:21:48,583 and then the second half was sexual. 457 00:21:48,667 --> 00:21:50,875 Trying to remember back, you know, to these "treatments" 458 00:21:50,959 --> 00:21:54,041 and thinking back, and I'm like, "How the heck didn't any, like-- 459 00:21:54,125 --> 00:21:56,458 how did he do that?" And then I'm like, 460 00:21:56,542 --> 00:21:58,709 "I don't think there was a silent moment." 461 00:21:58,792 --> 00:22:01,917 I mean, I don't think he ever stopped talking. 462 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,333 "What's happening today? How's, you know, your family? 463 00:22:05,417 --> 00:22:08,291 Oh Dawn, how's things going with the kids?" 464 00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:10,458 HOMER: Mother of three daughters. 465 00:22:10,542 --> 00:22:12,834 My goal was to keep them safe. 466 00:22:12,917 --> 00:22:17,041 And then I became an accomplice in such a crazy world. 467 00:22:17,125 --> 00:22:18,667 I mean, he would talk to the parents 468 00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:20,500 while he was doing this. 469 00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:22,333 And so, it-- it was confusing. 470 00:22:22,417 --> 00:22:26,166 The first time, specifically? Um, well, my dad was in the room 471 00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:27,750 and I just... 472 00:22:27,834 --> 00:22:29,500 like, first I was like, "What?" 473 00:22:29,583 --> 00:22:31,792 Like, "Is this normal? Like, "What is going on?" 474 00:22:31,875 --> 00:22:35,333 And then... a f-- a little bit... 475 00:22:35,417 --> 00:22:38,125 of thinking about it, I was like... 476 00:22:38,208 --> 00:22:42,041 "Okay, well, my dad's on the other side of the room, 477 00:22:42,125 --> 00:22:45,000 so maybe it's normal." Then I'm like, 478 00:22:45,083 --> 00:22:46,917 "But does he know what's happening? 479 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,208 I don't know if he does. Well, how do I ask about this? 480 00:22:50,291 --> 00:22:53,667 I can't ask about this." And then, then you think, 481 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:55,041 "Well, he's a doctor." 482 00:22:55,125 --> 00:22:56,667 I didn't think that it happened to her 483 00:22:56,750 --> 00:23:01,250 because... I had no idea. Like, I was there. 484 00:23:01,333 --> 00:23:03,125 I thought I saw everything. 485 00:23:03,208 --> 00:23:05,208 She was with me at every single appointment. 486 00:23:05,291 --> 00:23:07,125 INTERVIEWER: Was your mom always with you? 487 00:23:07,208 --> 00:23:09,291 Yeah, she was always in the room with me. 488 00:23:09,375 --> 00:23:11,750 Having your own parent there, and... 489 00:23:13,709 --> 00:23:15,375 he's still able to manage 490 00:23:15,458 --> 00:23:17,375 to get away with what he did, 491 00:23:17,458 --> 00:23:19,834 even with someone else in the room, 492 00:23:19,917 --> 00:23:22,625 that-- that's really scary. 493 00:23:22,709 --> 00:23:24,458 This is a grooming behavior. 494 00:23:24,542 --> 00:23:27,625 The parent's sitting there. The child's watching the parent. 495 00:23:27,709 --> 00:23:30,959 The child doesn't want to tell the parent this is going on, 496 00:23:31,041 --> 00:23:32,458 but believes the parent must know 497 00:23:32,542 --> 00:23:34,000 because it's happening right in front of them, 498 00:23:34,083 --> 00:23:36,458 so it's okay. So, guess what happens later on? 499 00:23:36,542 --> 00:23:39,083 Parent doesn't come into the next session, 500 00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:41,500 and instead of it being a two-minute procedure, 501 00:23:41,583 --> 00:23:43,959 it ends up being a 45-minute procedure. 502 00:23:45,083 --> 00:23:46,917 The young girl thinks it's okay 503 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,417 'cause Mom and Dad were sitting in the room before. 504 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:54,583 I noticed that what he was doing was getting more aggressive 505 00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:57,500 as I got older, and when I could drive myself, 506 00:23:57,583 --> 00:24:00,834 then no parent was in the room, so then it really amped up. 507 00:24:00,917 --> 00:24:03,166 He would bring us to his house, to the basement. 508 00:24:04,625 --> 00:24:06,583 WILLIAMS: When I heard two months ago 509 00:24:06,667 --> 00:24:10,375 that Taylor was treated in his basement, 510 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:12,875 I almost fell over. 511 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:18,417 Who goes to their doctor's basement? 512 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:22,625 He offered free "treatments" to women all the time 513 00:24:22,709 --> 00:24:24,959 in his basement, which I knew about. 514 00:24:25,041 --> 00:24:27,083 So that's why I felt okay going 'cause I, 515 00:24:27,166 --> 00:24:29,959 once again, minimized it. "Everyone else goes there too." 516 00:24:30,041 --> 00:24:31,792 You know, he would get erections. 517 00:24:31,875 --> 00:24:34,583 You know, it's just, something's not right there. (CHUCKLES) 518 00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:39,959 He would take his belt off. He would make grunting noises. 519 00:24:40,041 --> 00:24:43,333 And if we look at it as, as adults, we're like, 520 00:24:43,417 --> 00:24:44,875 "Oh my God, didn't you know? 521 00:24:44,959 --> 00:24:46,959 Of course, this is for a sexual purpose." 522 00:24:47,041 --> 00:24:48,458 But you gotta put your mind-- 523 00:24:48,542 --> 00:24:50,625 a young girl who has no sexual experience, 524 00:24:50,709 --> 00:24:53,667 a young girl who's trusting, a young girl who's told 525 00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:56,792 repeatedly over, "This is the Olympic doctor. 526 00:24:56,875 --> 00:24:58,125 He's there to help." 527 00:24:58,208 --> 00:25:01,125 So, these girls, they had no clue. 528 00:25:01,208 --> 00:25:03,709 And then I would feel better after my appointments 529 00:25:03,792 --> 00:25:06,750 'cause like I said, he was doing medical things. 530 00:25:06,834 --> 00:25:09,625 And no one else was helping me get better, so I knew 531 00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:12,000 I had to go back because I needed 532 00:25:12,083 --> 00:25:13,625 to be relieved of my pain. 533 00:25:13,709 --> 00:25:15,959 So even if I hated the treatment, I would go back. 534 00:25:16,041 --> 00:25:20,166 And that's how so many girls were abused for so many years. 535 00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:23,166 INTERVIEWER: How often was that vaginal treatment? 536 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:25,291 GONCZAR: Probably every time. 537 00:25:25,375 --> 00:25:27,834 I don't remember not having it. 538 00:25:27,917 --> 00:25:30,709 They estimate it happened to me-- estimate-- 539 00:25:30,792 --> 00:25:33,750 like, eight-- maybe 846 times. 540 00:25:35,709 --> 00:25:36,834 It's a lot. 541 00:25:36,917 --> 00:25:39,583 The reason Larry was such a good doctor 542 00:25:39,667 --> 00:25:42,667 was because you didn't feel anything afterward, 543 00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:45,208 not just physically. Emotionally, mentally. 544 00:25:45,291 --> 00:25:47,917 You had to block it out. You had to, 545 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,959 or... you're going to fall apart. 546 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,542 GREWAL: These young women didn't know. 547 00:25:54,625 --> 00:25:55,959 Their bodies might have known. 548 00:25:56,041 --> 00:25:57,625 Subconsciously, they might have known. 549 00:25:57,709 --> 00:25:59,333 They thought this was a legitimate medical treatment. 550 00:25:59,417 --> 00:26:02,583 They were told over and over and over again, 551 00:26:02,667 --> 00:26:05,375 "You can trust Larry. Larry says you can trust Larry. 552 00:26:05,458 --> 00:26:07,083 Kathie says you can trust Larry. 553 00:26:07,166 --> 00:26:08,959 John Geddert says you can trust Larry." 554 00:26:09,041 --> 00:26:10,625 INTERVIEWER: Who is John Geddert? 555 00:26:11,458 --> 00:26:12,834 Satan. 556 00:26:12,917 --> 00:26:16,667 He is, uh, the devil, and he, uh, 557 00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:20,291 is the head coach and owner of Twistars. 558 00:26:22,959 --> 00:26:24,375 JOHN GEDDERT: Open the hips. 559 00:26:24,458 --> 00:26:26,959 That's better, feet. Now up, up, up, up. 560 00:26:27,041 --> 00:26:32,458 That's too much forward. Straight. Squeeze it. Shape. 561 00:26:32,542 --> 00:26:34,792 Hold the shape. Press the landing. 562 00:26:34,875 --> 00:26:39,041 Press the landing. Press. No, stay there. Stay. 563 00:26:41,834 --> 00:26:45,834 WILLIAMS: John Geddert, former 2012 Olympic team coach. 564 00:26:45,917 --> 00:26:49,875 When I came to Michigan, very, very, very quickly, 565 00:26:49,959 --> 00:26:52,500 I realized that John was the force, 566 00:26:52,583 --> 00:26:56,000 the name in, certainly, Region 5 gymnastics. 567 00:26:56,083 --> 00:26:59,291 MOCEANU: John Geddert coached Olympic champion Jordyn Wieber, 568 00:26:59,375 --> 00:27:01,709 and he had many other national team members 569 00:27:01,792 --> 00:27:03,083 throughout the years. 570 00:27:03,166 --> 00:27:04,750 He housed Nassar 571 00:27:04,834 --> 00:27:08,417 at his facility in Michigan, Twistars, 572 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:11,542 where he had unprecedented access 573 00:27:11,625 --> 00:27:13,125 to his gymnasts in the gym. 574 00:27:13,208 --> 00:27:14,709 INTERVIEWER: Like at the Károlyi Ranch? 575 00:27:14,792 --> 00:27:17,208 Very similar environment. Actually, probably even 576 00:27:17,291 --> 00:27:20,000 more access at Geddert's gym. 577 00:27:20,083 --> 00:27:22,250 At the Ranch, it was only whenever 578 00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:25,333 he was able to come in to the monthly camps. 579 00:27:25,417 --> 00:27:27,583 But at Geddert's gym, he could go in every day 580 00:27:27,667 --> 00:27:28,834 if he wanted to. 581 00:27:28,917 --> 00:27:30,333 TAYLOR LIVINGSTON: John especially, 582 00:27:30,417 --> 00:27:31,834 Twistars especially, 583 00:27:31,917 --> 00:27:34,291 sent you to Larry. He came in every Monday, 584 00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:37,417 and he would stay until everyone was seen. 585 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,834 He was very well known at the gym, obviously, 586 00:27:39,917 --> 00:27:42,125 because he was promoted at the gym. 587 00:27:42,208 --> 00:27:45,917 He was pretty much like our go-to doctor. 588 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,667 HOMER: Larry knew how to get them back in their sport. 589 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:52,500 He knew how to pick them up psychologically, 590 00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:55,291 because the last thing you want to be if you are an athlete 591 00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:58,709 is injured, especially in John Geddert's gym. 592 00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:02,500 WILLIAMS: John Geddert, 593 00:28:02,583 --> 00:28:06,750 super intimidating man, super intimidating. 594 00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:09,333 Um, walks it, owns it, talks it. 595 00:28:09,417 --> 00:28:11,625 How would I describe myself as a coach? 596 00:28:11,709 --> 00:28:13,083 I know how others describe me, 597 00:28:13,166 --> 00:28:14,750 but I think they get the wrong impression. 598 00:28:14,834 --> 00:28:18,375 Um. I'm pretty intense, very caring about my athletes. 599 00:28:18,458 --> 00:28:21,375 Um, I'm not a warm and fuzzy... 600 00:28:21,458 --> 00:28:23,667 um, blow smoke when it's not needed. 601 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:26,333 I'll give kids their due when they deserve it, 602 00:28:26,417 --> 00:28:28,959 but I'm not gonna unnecessarily tell them 603 00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:31,542 how wonderful they are if they're not being wonderful. 604 00:28:31,625 --> 00:28:37,083 He would use more of a tactic like beating you down. 605 00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:39,667 So, he would belittle you. He would insult you, 606 00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:40,959 call you names, 607 00:28:41,041 --> 00:28:43,625 and you would feel like you weren't good enough. 608 00:28:43,709 --> 00:28:45,875 It was your fault. You were doing things wrong. 609 00:28:45,959 --> 00:28:48,709 At gymnastics meets, if a girl fell, 610 00:28:48,792 --> 00:28:51,083 I would see him turn his back on her 611 00:28:51,166 --> 00:28:53,041 and he wouldn't watch her compete, 612 00:28:53,125 --> 00:28:56,166 or he would-- threw a water bottle at somebody 613 00:28:56,250 --> 00:28:58,125 because they made a mistake on the bars. 614 00:28:58,208 --> 00:29:00,834 And so, you would keep trying harder and harder 615 00:29:00,917 --> 00:29:02,291 to get his approval. 616 00:29:02,375 --> 00:29:03,875 You always wanted John's approval, 617 00:29:03,959 --> 00:29:06,834 and when he gave it to you, it was something special. 618 00:29:08,417 --> 00:29:11,834 (CHEERING) 619 00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:13,625 Kinda, like, the wrong way to do it, 620 00:29:13,709 --> 00:29:18,500 but as long as John got results, he continued his technique, 621 00:29:18,583 --> 00:29:21,625 just break every single girl down 622 00:29:21,709 --> 00:29:24,709 until they thought they were nothing. 623 00:29:26,542 --> 00:29:28,917 And then after practice, you'd go and see Larry. 624 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,125 He'd be there for you, be that person 625 00:29:31,208 --> 00:29:33,667 that you know was going to understand you, and... 626 00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:37,250 for me, he was kind of like a friend that I could go to. 627 00:29:37,333 --> 00:29:40,083 Larry was good and John was bad. (CHUCKLES) 628 00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:41,583 You knew that they were good friends 629 00:29:41,667 --> 00:29:43,583 but I never-- it's weird 'cause like I don't-- 630 00:29:43,667 --> 00:29:45,083 they're so different. 631 00:29:45,166 --> 00:29:47,000 Larry's super dorky, 632 00:29:47,083 --> 00:29:50,417 and John was super, like, ego. 633 00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:52,875 But it was almost like the weird perfect fit. 634 00:29:52,959 --> 00:29:56,458 I think that if we were injured, John sent us to Larry 635 00:29:56,542 --> 00:29:59,834 because he would give the shortest amount of time 636 00:29:59,917 --> 00:30:04,458 that could be necessary to come back from our injury. 637 00:30:04,542 --> 00:30:07,959 And there would be no mediator, I guess, in the middle 638 00:30:08,041 --> 00:30:11,792 to be like, "Well maybe she needs this extra few weeks." 639 00:30:11,875 --> 00:30:13,291 If Larry thought you were okay, 640 00:30:13,375 --> 00:30:16,667 then you must not be hurting anymore. You're okay. 641 00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:18,166 INTERVIEWER: That sounds dangerous. 642 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,041 Yeah. Um. I would say so. 643 00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,834 HUTCHINS: I started having some shin pain in my leg, 644 00:30:23,917 --> 00:30:26,709 and it started getting worse a couple weeks later. 645 00:30:26,792 --> 00:30:29,000 And so then, I finally said something to John, 646 00:30:29,083 --> 00:30:30,792 and he said, "Well, go see Larry." 647 00:30:30,875 --> 00:30:34,291 So, I saw Larry. He poked and prodded at it, and he says, 648 00:30:34,375 --> 00:30:36,500 "I don't think anything's seriously wrong with it." 649 00:30:36,583 --> 00:30:38,166 Like, "I'll tape it up a little bit, 650 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:40,333 but you're okay to continue practicing." 651 00:30:40,417 --> 00:30:42,834 I kept practicing for weeks later. 652 00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:46,625 The pain got worse. It felt like I was stabbing it 653 00:30:46,709 --> 00:30:49,583 every time I tumbled. And it got to the point 654 00:30:49,667 --> 00:30:53,208 where I was seeing Larry every day at practice, 655 00:30:53,291 --> 00:30:55,375 and then after practice, I would go to his house 656 00:30:55,458 --> 00:30:58,083 and be in his basement at his house. 657 00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,333 INTERVIEWER: How often did he do the "treatment"? 658 00:31:00,417 --> 00:31:01,625 Every time. 659 00:31:01,709 --> 00:31:03,750 And I felt violated, but he's a doctor. 660 00:31:03,834 --> 00:31:05,542 It's got to be for some reason. 661 00:31:05,625 --> 00:31:07,917 Um. So, I just never said anything, 662 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,166 and I just kind of accepted it. 663 00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:12,625 You would think that if your leg wasn't getting better, 664 00:31:12,709 --> 00:31:16,417 you might want to get X-rays on it, but that didn't happen. 665 00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:18,625 Doing all the gymnastics stuff on it, 666 00:31:18,709 --> 00:31:20,709 it was, um, excruciating, 667 00:31:20,792 --> 00:31:23,000 but a prestigious Olympic doctor 668 00:31:23,083 --> 00:31:24,417 is telling you nothing's wrong, 669 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,291 so you kind of think you're crazy. 670 00:31:26,375 --> 00:31:31,166 I mean, it makes you wonder what really is pain. 671 00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:33,583 And the practice before we left for nationals, 672 00:31:33,667 --> 00:31:36,458 I was struggling so hard. And so finally, I was like, 673 00:31:36,542 --> 00:31:38,041 "John, like, I'm trying my hardest 674 00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:40,500 but my leg hurts so bad, I can't make this." 675 00:31:40,583 --> 00:31:46,792 And he told me to get my stuff out of the fucking locker room 676 00:31:46,875 --> 00:31:52,041 and get out of the fucking gym. He means forever. 677 00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:56,542 So, I go to the ER, I get X-rays, and it's broken. 678 00:31:56,625 --> 00:31:58,166 Like, splintered. 679 00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:02,583 It looks like a nail was hammering down on my leg 680 00:32:02,667 --> 00:32:05,458 and it just kept splintering off pieces 681 00:32:05,542 --> 00:32:08,333 because I just kept tumbling on it. 682 00:32:08,417 --> 00:32:11,375 INTERVIEWER: Do you think that you were purposely mistreated by Nassar 683 00:32:11,458 --> 00:32:14,417 in order to keep you in his care? 684 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,834 HUTCHINS: I think it's definitely a possibility. 685 00:32:17,917 --> 00:32:21,583 Why else would I have competed on a broken leg for a month? 686 00:32:21,667 --> 00:32:24,375 Why else wouldn't X-rays have been in the question 687 00:32:24,458 --> 00:32:27,000 if it continued to get worse and not better? 688 00:32:27,083 --> 00:32:29,041 INTERVIEWER: Do you think that John Geddert knew 689 00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:31,875 about Nassar's so called "treatments"... 690 00:32:31,959 --> 00:32:33,583 and that they were not appropriate? 691 00:32:33,667 --> 00:32:37,375 Um... it's hard to say, 692 00:32:37,458 --> 00:32:42,000 but I don't know how anyone couldn't have known, 693 00:32:42,083 --> 00:32:43,792 um, with be-- 694 00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:46,709 it being in a room right there in your own gym. You know? 695 00:32:46,792 --> 00:32:49,500 There's no way he didn't know something about Larry. 696 00:32:49,583 --> 00:32:53,041 And even if he thought it was really a treatment 697 00:32:53,125 --> 00:32:55,625 because this guy was supposed to be his best friend 698 00:32:55,709 --> 00:33:00,917 and was supposed to be a doctor, it's such a bizarre thing 699 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000 that you would hope that he would at least look into it. 700 00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:05,458 And there's no way he didn't hear. 701 00:33:05,542 --> 00:33:09,000 We talked about it openly in the gym. 702 00:33:09,083 --> 00:33:12,333 GAMET: There's a whole institution of people who knew 703 00:33:12,417 --> 00:33:16,041 through these years, and it-- it could have been stopped. 704 00:33:16,125 --> 00:33:19,750 INTERVIEWER: How do you think the abuse could have stopped earlier? 705 00:33:19,834 --> 00:33:23,625 Could have stopped when Kathie was told. 706 00:33:26,291 --> 00:33:29,542 GAMET: Kathie Klages, another friend of John Geddert 707 00:33:29,625 --> 00:33:34,959 and Larry Nassar. She was told in-- in '97. 708 00:33:37,959 --> 00:33:41,083 LARISSA BOYCE: I went to Spartan Youth Gymnastics Club, 709 00:33:41,166 --> 00:33:45,041 and one of the head coaches was Kathie Klages, 710 00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:47,583 MSU's head gymnastics coach. 711 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,625 I had been thinking about... 712 00:33:50,709 --> 00:33:54,333 talking to an adult about these "treatments" 713 00:33:54,417 --> 00:33:56,500 'cause it did make me uncomfortable. 714 00:33:56,583 --> 00:34:00,667 So, Kathie Klages had me come into her office, 715 00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:03,083 and I did specifically tell her 716 00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:07,834 that Larry was putting his fingers inside of me. 717 00:34:07,917 --> 00:34:11,875 And she just said I must be misunderstanding. 718 00:34:11,959 --> 00:34:14,792 He would never do anything inappropriate. 719 00:34:14,875 --> 00:34:17,875 She said she had known him for years and years 720 00:34:17,959 --> 00:34:20,458 and I just must be mistaken. 721 00:34:20,542 --> 00:34:25,875 Kathie did not believe her. So she marched other gymnasts in 722 00:34:25,959 --> 00:34:29,291 to try to dissuade Larissa that this wasn't happening. 723 00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:32,917 She had teammates come in, a couple at a time, 724 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,750 while I was sitting there in her office, in front of me, 725 00:34:35,834 --> 00:34:39,291 and she asked them if Larry had ever done anything 726 00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:42,333 to make them feel uncomfortable during treatments. 727 00:34:42,417 --> 00:34:46,625 And all of them said no, except one other girl. 728 00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:49,250 So, this other girl stayed in the room, 729 00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:53,875 and Kathie still just couldn't wrap her head 730 00:34:53,959 --> 00:34:55,458 around what we were saying. 731 00:34:55,542 --> 00:34:59,125 So, she brought in a couple college-aged gymnasts, 732 00:34:59,208 --> 00:35:02,250 and they would explain, "You know, his hands get close 733 00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:05,917 to certain areas, but they never are inappropriate." 734 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,333 And I again, I said, 735 00:35:08,417 --> 00:35:11,417 "Well, that's not what's happening to me. 736 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,208 His fingers are going inside." 737 00:35:13,291 --> 00:35:15,208 Then at that point, they left the room. 738 00:35:15,291 --> 00:35:16,750 The other girl left the room. 739 00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:19,083 GREWAL: Coach Klages told the other gymnast, 740 00:35:19,166 --> 00:35:21,959 "You're misinterpreting this. I don't want to hear it," 741 00:35:22,041 --> 00:35:24,875 and basically, shut her up. 742 00:35:24,959 --> 00:35:26,667 But Larissa still stood her ground. 743 00:35:26,750 --> 00:35:30,792 I again said what was happening, and she said, 744 00:35:30,875 --> 00:35:33,291 "Well, I could file this 745 00:35:33,375 --> 00:35:35,959 but there's going to be very serious consequences 746 00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:38,709 for both you and Larry Nassar, 747 00:35:38,792 --> 00:35:40,959 and you need to really think about this." 748 00:35:41,041 --> 00:35:45,208 And I just, I think I raised my hands and said, 749 00:35:45,291 --> 00:35:46,959 "I don't want to get anybody in trouble. 750 00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:50,875 That's not my intention." And so, I went back out 751 00:35:50,959 --> 00:35:52,667 and I think I ran into the bathroom 752 00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:56,333 and just cried for the majority of practice. 753 00:35:56,417 --> 00:36:00,083 GREWAL: She intimidated her, and it shut her down. 754 00:36:00,166 --> 00:36:02,917 Coach Klages then didn't tell her parents, 755 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,125 but she did tell one person. 756 00:36:05,208 --> 00:36:07,041 She told Larry Nassar. 757 00:36:07,125 --> 00:36:10,625 BOYCE: So, my next appointment with Larry, he walked in, 758 00:36:10,709 --> 00:36:13,125 he closed the door, he sat on his little stool, 759 00:36:13,208 --> 00:36:15,917 and he said, "So, I talked to Kathie." 760 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,041 And at that point my heart just sank. 761 00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:23,250 I felt so embarrassed. I felt so humiliated. 762 00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:25,500 He said, "Kathie told me your concerns, 763 00:36:25,583 --> 00:36:28,333 and you know I'm doing this to help you." 764 00:36:28,417 --> 00:36:30,917 And I remember saying, "I'm so sorry. 765 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,375 This is all my fault. It's all a big misunderstanding 766 00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:36,834 and I'm sorry." 767 00:36:36,917 --> 00:36:41,000 So, I just convinced myself that I must be the problem 768 00:36:41,083 --> 00:36:43,458 and I just better suck it up. 769 00:36:43,542 --> 00:36:46,291 And then I hopped back up on that table, 770 00:36:46,375 --> 00:36:50,917 and he continued to abuse me for the next four years. 771 00:36:54,417 --> 00:36:56,959 HAMILTON: Adults prefer and protect adults. 772 00:36:57,041 --> 00:36:58,875 We say we protect children, 773 00:36:58,959 --> 00:37:01,041 but children are second-class citizens. 774 00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:02,959 They don't vote, they don't have power, 775 00:37:03,041 --> 00:37:07,375 and it's so much easier to let a child's needs go. 776 00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,125 It's really denial, but it's also... 777 00:37:10,208 --> 00:37:13,709 they're protecting the adult's livelihood. 778 00:37:13,792 --> 00:37:17,458 No one wants to destroy a successful adult's life. 779 00:37:17,542 --> 00:37:19,500 And so, we put it off and we put it off. 780 00:37:19,583 --> 00:37:25,792 Larissa Boyce um, told people who worked for MSU in 1997. 781 00:37:26,542 --> 00:37:31,291 Uh. I was three in 1997. 782 00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:34,583 You know, that's impactful. It could have been stopped. 783 00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:37,792 BOYCE: Kathie Klages knew that there was a proper process 784 00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:40,208 that she should have taken when she told me 785 00:37:40,291 --> 00:37:44,709 that she could file something, but she chose not to. 786 00:37:44,792 --> 00:37:49,875 And so, I absolutely believe that's on MSU. 787 00:37:49,959 --> 00:37:51,250 She was their employee. 788 00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:53,625 And then all of the other girls who came forward 789 00:37:53,709 --> 00:37:57,250 and told trainers or psychiatrists, 790 00:37:57,333 --> 00:38:01,458 all of them were at MSU, MSU employees. 791 00:38:01,542 --> 00:38:04,750 GREWAL: They did not want to believe a single girl. 792 00:38:04,834 --> 00:38:07,709 From 1997 to 2015, 793 00:38:07,792 --> 00:38:11,250 there were 17 incidents of reporting, 794 00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:12,959 just to Michigan State alone. 795 00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,583 O'BRIEN: In 2014, Amanda Thomashow, 796 00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:18,375 who had attended Michigan State University, 797 00:38:18,458 --> 00:38:21,125 filed a Title IX complaint against Larry Nassar, 798 00:38:21,208 --> 00:38:24,959 alleging that he had molested her during a treatment session. 799 00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:27,583 AMANDA THOMASHOW: I told them exactly what happened, 800 00:38:27,667 --> 00:38:33,875 that Nassar started to insert his fingers into me 801 00:38:33,959 --> 00:38:37,750 and I pu-- stood up, I pushed him off of me, 802 00:38:37,834 --> 00:38:40,750 and he ran to the corner of the room 803 00:38:41,875 --> 00:38:43,333 to hide his erection. 804 00:38:45,917 --> 00:38:47,583 GREWAL: Michigan State University 805 00:38:47,667 --> 00:38:50,291 investigated through their OIE office, 806 00:38:50,375 --> 00:38:52,208 Office of Institutional Equities, 807 00:38:52,291 --> 00:38:55,500 and they're supposed to be impartial. 808 00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:58,917 In that investigation, they allowed Larry Nassar 809 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,500 to pick four, quote, 810 00:39:01,583 --> 00:39:04,792 "independent corroborating experts" 811 00:39:04,875 --> 00:39:07,417 of his so-called "treatment." 812 00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:11,542 Larry said that it was medical. 813 00:39:11,625 --> 00:39:14,166 I said that it was sexual assault. 814 00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:18,125 And so, they asked some of his friends 815 00:39:18,208 --> 00:39:19,959 what they thought. 816 00:39:20,041 --> 00:39:23,208 GREWAL: Three of the four were his students or colleagues. 817 00:39:23,291 --> 00:39:26,542 One was a trainer. He knew all of them. 818 00:39:26,625 --> 00:39:28,709 He hand-picked all of them with the knowledge 819 00:39:28,792 --> 00:39:31,000 of his supervisor, Dean Strampel. 820 00:39:31,083 --> 00:39:33,959 And what the report finally said was that 821 00:39:34,041 --> 00:39:37,750 the young lady misunderstood the nuances, 822 00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:39,500 and as a result, 823 00:39:39,583 --> 00:39:41,792 they found no violation. 824 00:39:41,875 --> 00:39:46,417 THOMASHOW: They left the erection out of the report. 825 00:39:46,500 --> 00:39:51,417 They also left out the fact that I pushed him off of me. 826 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:56,834 I was 24. I knew what was and was not appropriate. 827 00:40:01,083 --> 00:40:02,458 They gaslighted me. 828 00:40:03,959 --> 00:40:07,000 So, this is the surprising thing. 829 00:40:07,083 --> 00:40:08,709 Two reports were generated. 830 00:40:08,792 --> 00:40:12,542 There was a report generated, issued to Amanda Thomashow, 831 00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,542 and in that report, they say 832 00:40:14,625 --> 00:40:17,750 they find no violation of the Sexual Harassment Policies. 833 00:40:17,834 --> 00:40:19,542 The report ends on page 22. 834 00:40:19,625 --> 00:40:21,750 Lo and behold, here we are in civil litigation. 835 00:40:21,834 --> 00:40:23,375 You know what we find? 836 00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:25,959 (WHISPERS) There's a page 23. 837 00:40:26,041 --> 00:40:30,041 Page 23 goes into all the problems 838 00:40:30,125 --> 00:40:31,667 that potentially are there. 839 00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:34,291 It is opening the university up to a liability, 840 00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:36,291 that they had better have a chaperone in place, 841 00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:39,417 he'd better wear gloves, he'd better have informed consent. 842 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,583 And they never turned that report out for anybody. 843 00:40:41,667 --> 00:40:45,166 That report's internally kept between Larry, 844 00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:47,917 Strampel, and the OIE office. 845 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,625 The three years surrounding my investigation, 846 00:40:50,709 --> 00:40:53,709 my Title IX was the only Title IX 847 00:40:53,792 --> 00:40:57,333 that produced two separate conclusions. 848 00:40:57,417 --> 00:41:00,208 GREWAL: So, Larry Nassar was put on leave 90 days. 849 00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:02,834 That's how long the OIE investigation was. 850 00:41:02,917 --> 00:41:05,375 But in the end, Dean Strampel put it in an email, 851 00:41:05,458 --> 00:41:06,917 "glad to have you back." 852 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,041 "Please, Larry, just follow these restrictions." 853 00:41:10,125 --> 00:41:13,375 Dean Strampel put restrictions on Larry Nassar. 854 00:41:13,458 --> 00:41:16,083 THOMASHOW: Simple rules like explain the procedure, 855 00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:20,125 wear gloves, have somebody else present in the room. 856 00:41:20,208 --> 00:41:23,792 GREWAL: But Dean Strampel, he never followed up. 857 00:41:23,875 --> 00:41:25,792 We've spoken to the support personnel 858 00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:29,875 at the clinical center, who were there after 2014, 859 00:41:29,959 --> 00:41:31,417 who were never informed of these procedures 860 00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,625 that Dean Strampel was supposed to inform everybody. 861 00:41:33,709 --> 00:41:36,375 And at the same time, we have a criminal investigation going on 862 00:41:36,458 --> 00:41:38,208 by the Ingham County prosecutor's office. 863 00:41:38,291 --> 00:41:40,291 NASSAR: The patient was concerned 864 00:41:40,375 --> 00:41:41,959 that I was inappropriately touching her 865 00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:44,500 -and didn't understand why. -OFFICER: Okay. 866 00:41:44,583 --> 00:41:47,291 Like, you know, "He was, you know, touching me 867 00:41:47,375 --> 00:41:50,667 in my private areas," you know, and she didn't understand why. 868 00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:52,333 And that's-- those are two things 869 00:41:52,417 --> 00:41:56,542 that confused me because I-- I-- I do this on a regular basis. 870 00:41:56,625 --> 00:41:58,333 -OFFICER: Okay. -This is, this a treatment 871 00:41:58,417 --> 00:42:00,041 that I-- that I lecture on. 872 00:42:00,125 --> 00:42:03,667 I lecture on, not only here at Michigan State 873 00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:06,333 to the fellows and residents and medical students, 874 00:42:06,417 --> 00:42:10,083 but to, um, uh, national organizations. 875 00:42:10,166 --> 00:42:13,667 GREWAL: Shouldn't a prosecuting attorney office 876 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:17,000 bring in outside experts? 877 00:42:17,083 --> 00:42:19,083 You know whose experts they used? 878 00:42:19,166 --> 00:42:20,959 Michigan State University's, 879 00:42:21,041 --> 00:42:23,208 experts that Larry Nassar hand-picked. 880 00:42:23,291 --> 00:42:27,208 They believed the status of Larry Nassar. 881 00:42:27,291 --> 00:42:30,583 And once again, they also found there was no sexual assault. 882 00:42:30,667 --> 00:42:33,125 And they sent one of the detectives over there 883 00:42:33,208 --> 00:42:35,125 to tell Larry, "Make sure, in the future, 884 00:42:35,208 --> 00:42:37,792 you have somebody in the room, and you wear gloves, 885 00:42:37,875 --> 00:42:39,583 and you explain what's going on." 886 00:42:40,375 --> 00:42:42,083 So, 2014, 887 00:42:42,166 --> 00:42:44,834 you have all these restrictions were put in place. 888 00:42:44,917 --> 00:42:46,458 The assaults should have stopped. 889 00:42:47,625 --> 00:42:49,000 They didn't. 890 00:42:49,083 --> 00:42:51,917 I was a patient of his before, during, and after 891 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000 that Title IX investigation, 892 00:42:54,083 --> 00:42:55,792 where protocol was put into place, 893 00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:59,125 that I wasn't made aware of, and then not followed. 894 00:43:00,250 --> 00:43:01,542 Nothing changed. 895 00:43:01,625 --> 00:43:04,375 You know, ex-- what happened during the visits 896 00:43:04,458 --> 00:43:07,875 was exactly the same from when she started seeing him 897 00:43:07,959 --> 00:43:11,250 in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015. 898 00:43:11,333 --> 00:43:12,959 INTERVIEWER: When did the incidents happen 899 00:43:13,041 --> 00:43:17,083 -with Larry Nassar? -Um, in 2014. 900 00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:19,041 They didn't have him follow the guidelines, 901 00:43:19,125 --> 00:43:22,417 and they didn't really put a stop to it 902 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,750 until so many people came forward. 903 00:43:26,834 --> 00:43:29,291 GREWAL: Out of 90 of our survivors that we represent, 904 00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:35,500 28 of them were assaulted during or after 2014, 905 00:43:35,583 --> 00:43:38,166 Title IX investigation of Amanda Thomashow. 906 00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:41,417 But this is not just Michigan State University. 907 00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:45,041 It goes to organization that span this country, 908 00:43:45,125 --> 00:43:47,667 USOC, USAG. 909 00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:49,709 INTERVIEWER: Do we know when USAG 910 00:43:49,792 --> 00:43:52,041 knew about Larry Nassar's predilections? 911 00:43:54,291 --> 00:43:56,375 Well, we know for a fact it was 2015. 912 00:43:58,875 --> 00:44:00,959 O'BRIEN: Spring 2015, 913 00:44:01,041 --> 00:44:04,917 Maggie Nichols, gymnast on the U.S. National Team 914 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,542 was at the Károlyi Ranch for one of the monthly training camps. 915 00:44:09,625 --> 00:44:12,083 And she was with Aly Raisman. 916 00:44:12,166 --> 00:44:14,250 And Maggie said out loud, 917 00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:16,917 "What's with this technique he does? 918 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,417 Like why does he put his finger inside me? 919 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,000 I'm not sure it's helping." 920 00:44:21,083 --> 00:44:24,458 And Maggie Nichols's coach happened to be within earshot 921 00:44:24,542 --> 00:44:26,333 and was alarmed by this. 922 00:44:26,417 --> 00:44:29,667 There was a report made to USA Gymnastics. 923 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:31,667 Steve Penny sat on it for a few weeks. 924 00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:34,750 MOCEANU: USA Gymnastics former president, Steve Penny, 925 00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:38,250 was notified that a gymnast was assaulted 926 00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:39,667 at the national team camp. 927 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:42,583 Why on Earth did they not report him then? 928 00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:46,000 O'BRIEN: Maggie Nichols's mother was told by Steve Penny, 929 00:44:46,083 --> 00:44:48,125 "Don't do anything. Don't report it. 930 00:44:48,208 --> 00:44:49,667 We're going to handle this internally. 931 00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:51,458 We don't know yet if we need to report this." 932 00:44:51,542 --> 00:44:56,000 They waited for five weeks before they went to the FBI. 933 00:44:56,083 --> 00:44:58,000 Five weeks. 934 00:44:58,083 --> 00:45:01,000 When you have gymnasts telling you that Larry's doing 935 00:45:01,083 --> 00:45:04,667 these manipulations every day, sometimes twice a day, 936 00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:07,709 five weeks is a long time to be sitting on the knowledge 937 00:45:07,792 --> 00:45:10,500 that Larry Nassar is-- is a sexual predator. 938 00:45:10,583 --> 00:45:12,959 O'BEIRNE: They waited five week because they did their own 939 00:45:13,041 --> 00:45:15,375 internal investigation as to whether or not 940 00:45:15,458 --> 00:45:17,917 this was sexual abuse or not. 941 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,875 O'BRIEN: After an internal investigator 942 00:45:19,959 --> 00:45:22,333 told Steve Penny, "You really have a problem here. 943 00:45:22,417 --> 00:45:23,917 You have to go to the FBI," 944 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,875 Steve Penny called Scott Blackmun, 945 00:45:26,959 --> 00:45:29,875 the chief executive of the US Olympic Committee. 946 00:45:29,959 --> 00:45:32,542 The Olympic Committee legally is responsible for the safety 947 00:45:32,625 --> 00:45:34,417 of the athletes at the Olympics. 948 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,417 And Steve Penny said to Scott Blackman 949 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:38,792 something to the effect of, 950 00:45:38,875 --> 00:45:40,417 "We have a member of our medical staff 951 00:45:40,500 --> 00:45:43,375 who's been accused of improper contact. 952 00:45:43,458 --> 00:45:46,375 I'm going to report it to the FBI." 953 00:45:46,458 --> 00:45:50,208 Scott Blackmun has said to us that he told Steve Penny, 954 00:45:50,291 --> 00:45:51,709 "Definitely report this," 955 00:45:51,792 --> 00:45:54,083 -and Steve Penny did. -INTERVIEWER: Is that enough? 956 00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:56,250 I mean, that's a-- that's a question. 957 00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:58,667 Of course, we want to say "no" because of what happened 958 00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:01,000 in the subsequent year. N-- he-- nothing happened. 959 00:46:01,083 --> 00:46:05,917 The USOC had tremendous responsibility as the top 960 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,583 of all of Olympic sports in the United States. 961 00:46:09,667 --> 00:46:11,500 And the USOC has had 962 00:46:11,583 --> 00:46:14,959 inadequate child protection policies for years. 963 00:46:15,041 --> 00:46:18,208 There's been a problem in gymnastics with sexual abuse 964 00:46:18,291 --> 00:46:21,250 and with physical abuse for decades. 965 00:46:21,333 --> 00:46:22,834 O'BRIEN: In 1999, 966 00:46:22,917 --> 00:46:26,000 the then-president of USA Gymnastics, Bob Colarossi, 967 00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:28,083 wrote a letter to the USOC 968 00:46:28,166 --> 00:46:30,458 raising concerns about their method 969 00:46:30,542 --> 00:46:33,625 of handling allegations of abuses by coaches, 970 00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:35,625 saying, the way the system works 971 00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:37,917 is going to get us in trouble. 972 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,834 Scott Blackmun was on that letter. 973 00:46:40,917 --> 00:46:42,291 HAMILTON: They knew it. 974 00:46:42,375 --> 00:46:44,166 They knew they needed a better system, 975 00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:46,959 and they sat on their hands. 976 00:46:47,041 --> 00:46:49,375 GREWAL: Nassar, he actually was allowed to resign 977 00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:52,291 from USA Gymnastics and said he's taking his leave of absence 978 00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:55,625 and thanked them and left on his own terms. 979 00:46:55,709 --> 00:46:58,208 O'BRIEN: But Nassar is back in Michigan, 980 00:46:58,291 --> 00:46:59,625 still treating patients. 981 00:46:59,709 --> 00:47:01,583 He continued to do that for more than a year 982 00:47:01,667 --> 00:47:03,041 after that in Michigan. 983 00:47:03,125 --> 00:47:06,291 Wouldn't USA Gymnastics tell Michigan State University 984 00:47:06,375 --> 00:47:08,542 there's an investigation on? They didn't tell them. 985 00:47:08,625 --> 00:47:10,083 You know, there are many missed opportunities 986 00:47:10,166 --> 00:47:11,917 for people to be informed about this. 987 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,375 And what nobody knew at USA Gymnastics 988 00:47:16,458 --> 00:47:19,625 was that the FBI never inve-- even opened an investigation. 989 00:47:19,709 --> 00:47:22,333 I mean, it went to the FBI in Indianapolis. 990 00:47:22,417 --> 00:47:25,417 The FBI in Indianapolis said, "We're gonna kick this over 991 00:47:25,500 --> 00:47:28,834 to the Detroit office," and then it died there. 992 00:47:28,917 --> 00:47:31,291 The FBI in Indianapolis doesn't seem to have taken 993 00:47:31,375 --> 00:47:33,542 their allegations very seriously. 994 00:47:33,625 --> 00:47:37,500 We also don't know exactly what Steve Penny told them. 995 00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:42,583 GREWAL: MSU, USAG, USOC, Twistars, and the FBI, 996 00:47:42,667 --> 00:47:45,500 all these organizations, they knew. 997 00:47:45,583 --> 00:47:47,834 Every organization had a chance to stop. 998 00:47:47,917 --> 00:47:51,250 O'BEIRNE: All that time, Nassar was still working at MSU. 999 00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:53,125 He was still working for Holt, 1000 00:47:53,208 --> 00:47:55,667 the school district that he was working for. 1001 00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:59,875 He was treating people nonstop 1002 00:47:59,959 --> 00:48:03,000 until Rachael Denhollander came forward. 1003 00:48:04,625 --> 00:48:06,125 -NASSAR: Sorry. -ANDREA MUNFORD: 1004 00:48:06,208 --> 00:48:07,792 NASSAR: 1005 00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:10,291 -MUNFORD: -NASSAR: Yeah. 1006 00:48:10,375 --> 00:48:11,625 MUNFORD: 1007 00:48:16,792 --> 00:48:18,125 -NASSAR: -MUNFORD: 1008 00:48:18,208 --> 00:48:19,834 NASSAR: 1009 00:48:21,792 --> 00:48:23,750 MUNFORD: 1010 00:48:25,834 --> 00:48:26,792 NASSAR: 1011 00:48:26,875 --> 00:48:27,959 MUNFORD: Okay. 1012 00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:34,500 MUNFORD: Mm-hmm. 1013 00:48:37,667 --> 00:48:39,333 MUNFORD: 1014 00:48:39,875 --> 00:48:41,875 NASSAR: 1015 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,166 (CHUCKLES) 1016 00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,709 -MUNFORD: Okay. -NASSAR: 1017 00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:53,834 MUNFORD: Right. 1018 00:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,000 -NASSAR: -MUNFORD: 1019 00:49:00,333 --> 00:49:01,709 NASSAR: 1020 00:49:01,792 --> 00:49:04,333 I was a patient of Dr. Nassar in 2000, 1021 00:49:04,417 --> 00:49:07,875 and at age 15, was repeatedly sexually assaulted by him 1022 00:49:07,959 --> 00:49:09,583 under the guise of medical treatment 1023 00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:11,041 and medical examination. 1024 00:49:11,125 --> 00:49:14,250 Rachael Denhollander was not an Olympian, but, um, 1025 00:49:14,333 --> 00:49:19,083 an advanced level gymnast, who in the summer of 2016 1026 00:49:19,166 --> 00:49:20,917 became the first person 1027 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,709 to openly name Larry Nassar as an abuser. 1028 00:49:24,792 --> 00:49:28,709 She was inspired to do this by a series that ran 1029 00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:30,291 in The Indianapolis Star. 1030 00:49:30,375 --> 00:49:32,750 There's a troubling report in USA Today network 1031 00:49:32,834 --> 00:49:34,583 and The Indianapolis Star. 1032 00:49:34,667 --> 00:49:37,208 The governing body for American gymnastics 1033 00:49:37,291 --> 00:49:39,875 is accused of routinely protecting coaches 1034 00:49:39,959 --> 00:49:43,000 who are accused of sexually abusing young athletes. 1035 00:49:43,083 --> 00:49:45,125 O'BRIEN: Rachael Denhollander read this article, 1036 00:49:45,208 --> 00:49:47,250 and she had been, over the years, 1037 00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:49,959 coming to terms with this "treatment" 1038 00:49:50,041 --> 00:49:52,208 that she had been subjected to 1039 00:49:52,291 --> 00:49:55,125 by Larry Nassar more than a decade earlier, 1040 00:49:55,208 --> 00:49:57,959 and she reached out to a reporter. 1041 00:49:58,041 --> 00:49:59,458 REPORTER 3: Rachael Denhollander 1042 00:49:59,542 --> 00:50:01,500 told The Indianapolis Star newspaper 1043 00:50:01,583 --> 00:50:03,709 that Nassar sexually assaulted her 1044 00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:05,458 when she was 15 years old, 1045 00:50:05,542 --> 00:50:08,667 taking part in club gymnastics in Michigan. 1046 00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:12,542 O'BRIEN: Ultimately, one other former Olympian spoke 1047 00:50:12,625 --> 00:50:14,542 anonymously in the original article 1048 00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:17,208 and identified Larry as an abuser. 1049 00:50:17,291 --> 00:50:21,083 When someone comes public and puts it in a major newspaper 1050 00:50:21,166 --> 00:50:24,792 that this guy, who's employed by your university, 1051 00:50:24,875 --> 00:50:26,750 um, sexually abused her, 1052 00:50:26,834 --> 00:50:29,000 and you have two people talking about it, 1053 00:50:29,083 --> 00:50:30,417 that carries a lot of weight. 1054 00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:32,333 Two gymnasts have accused Dr. Larry Nassar 1055 00:50:32,417 --> 00:50:34,083 of sexually abusing them during treatment. 1056 00:50:34,166 --> 00:50:36,333 REPORTER: One of women has filed a criminal complaint 1057 00:50:36,417 --> 00:50:38,583 against Nassar with Michigan Police. 1058 00:50:38,667 --> 00:50:42,041 The other has filed a lawsuit in California. 1059 00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:46,291 I read the headline, and I laughed in disbelief. 1060 00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:49,875 I was like, "There is no way." Like, "He is a saint." 1061 00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:51,291 'Cause at that point, 1062 00:50:51,375 --> 00:50:52,750 even though I didn't like the treatments, 1063 00:50:52,834 --> 00:50:54,291 I really thought that he had 1064 00:50:54,375 --> 00:50:56,166 been helping me this whole time. 1065 00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:59,625 I actually defended him at first 'cause I knew that-- 1066 00:50:59,709 --> 00:51:03,792 well, I was told that this was a valid medical procedure 1067 00:51:03,875 --> 00:51:07,542 and I was brainwashed and conditioned into b-- 1068 00:51:07,625 --> 00:51:10,709 to believing that for the past 20 years, 1069 00:51:10,792 --> 00:51:13,375 I think, in order to just survive through it. 1070 00:51:13,458 --> 00:51:16,375 And so, I defended him. 1071 00:51:16,458 --> 00:51:18,875 HOMER: Trinea came home, and we both just said, 1072 00:51:18,959 --> 00:51:21,875 "This cannot be." She's like, "There's no way." 1073 00:51:21,959 --> 00:51:23,750 It's Larry. It's Larry. 1074 00:51:23,834 --> 00:51:26,083 If you know Larry, there's no way it can be Larry." 1075 00:51:26,166 --> 00:51:28,208 And it actually made me mad. I was like, 1076 00:51:28,291 --> 00:51:32,250 "How dare you accuse such a kind person 1077 00:51:32,333 --> 00:51:36,083 of doing such an extremely awful thing? 1078 00:51:36,166 --> 00:51:37,709 Um. And I didn't read the article 1079 00:51:37,792 --> 00:51:39,542 'cause I was in a dance rehearsal at college. 1080 00:51:39,625 --> 00:51:42,333 But then when I was by myself after that rehearsal, 1081 00:51:42,417 --> 00:51:44,875 I started reading through the article, 1082 00:51:44,959 --> 00:51:47,959 and Rachael Denhollander had it to a tee. 1083 00:51:48,041 --> 00:51:49,917 She described my whole experience, 1084 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,959 weird commentary, no gloves, internal techniques, 1085 00:51:53,041 --> 00:51:56,959 followed by his response that he never went internal, ever. 1086 00:51:57,041 --> 00:51:59,709 He would never do that. And I was like, 1087 00:51:59,792 --> 00:52:04,166 "His story is very different than my personal experience." 1088 00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:07,083 LIVINGSTON: I was so embarrassed 1089 00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:08,583 when it first started coming out. 1090 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:10,375 I didn't want to say anything. I was like, 1091 00:52:10,458 --> 00:52:14,917 "How did I let this happen? How did I not know?" 1092 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,375 The thing is, like, my whole life, like, 1093 00:52:17,458 --> 00:52:20,000 I've trained to be smart as I can, 1094 00:52:20,083 --> 00:52:23,583 as strong as I can, and as fearless as I can. 1095 00:52:23,667 --> 00:52:28,041 And like, in moments like that, where those things happen, 1096 00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:30,750 I was none of those things. 1097 00:52:30,834 --> 00:52:33,667 And to me, that was, like, soul-crushing. 1098 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:35,166 Over that night, my-- 1099 00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:36,875 the gears started shifting in my head, 1100 00:52:36,959 --> 00:52:40,583 realizing all this time for seven years of my life 1101 00:52:40,667 --> 00:52:43,583 that I thought it was medical and helping me-- 1102 00:52:43,667 --> 00:52:45,959 and I literally walked around praising his name, 1103 00:52:46,041 --> 00:52:47,959 referring people to him. 1104 00:52:48,041 --> 00:52:50,917 Now I've been referring people to a monster. 1105 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,709 GONCZAR: I started to have a heavy guilt about other people 1106 00:52:53,792 --> 00:52:56,250 that had come to me when I was younger and saying, 1107 00:52:56,333 --> 00:52:59,000 "You know, I'm confused. Something happened to me, 1108 00:52:59,083 --> 00:53:00,625 but, you know, do you know anything about this?" 1109 00:53:00,709 --> 00:53:02,417 I'm like, "Oh yeah, it happens to me all the time. 1110 00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:04,458 He does it to me all the time. You're good. 1111 00:53:04,542 --> 00:53:06,208 You don't have to worry. It's not weird. 1112 00:53:06,291 --> 00:53:08,291 You're not the only one... 1113 00:53:08,375 --> 00:53:11,667 He does it to me all the time. So, you're good." 1114 00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:13,500 And then thinking like, "Oh my God, 1115 00:53:13,583 --> 00:53:15,583 like, did I just silence these people? 1116 00:53:16,875 --> 00:53:20,083 Like, did I stop them from stopping him?" 1117 00:53:22,041 --> 00:53:23,208 I did. 1118 00:53:25,083 --> 00:53:27,375 INTERVIEWER: That's because you didn't know what it was. 1119 00:53:27,458 --> 00:53:29,917 I know. (SOBS) But I still did. 1120 00:53:32,417 --> 00:53:36,667 POSTHUMA: I called IndyStar and reported my story. 1121 00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:38,583 And so obviously they knew Rachael well, 1122 00:53:38,667 --> 00:53:43,166 and I got to talk with Rachael that first day that I found out. 1123 00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:47,417 And she really spurred me on to keep going to the next steps. 1124 00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:48,959 Things developed pretty quickly. 1125 00:53:49,041 --> 00:53:51,041 Rachael Denhollander filed her complaint 1126 00:53:51,125 --> 00:53:52,208 at the end of August 1127 00:53:52,291 --> 00:53:53,959 and by the end of September, 1128 00:53:54,041 --> 00:53:56,000 Larry Nassar had been fired from Michigan State. 1129 00:53:56,083 --> 00:53:57,875 REPORTER 4: Michigan State University Police say 1130 00:53:57,959 --> 00:54:00,000 about 50 women have now come forward 1131 00:54:00,083 --> 00:54:02,208 accusing the former MSU associate professor 1132 00:54:02,291 --> 00:54:03,750 of criminal sexual conduct. 1133 00:54:03,834 --> 00:54:07,583 Michigan State University Chief of Police, Jim Dunlap, 1134 00:54:07,667 --> 00:54:10,709 and I are announcing today criminal charges. 1135 00:54:10,792 --> 00:54:12,250 O'BRIEN: In November, he was charged 1136 00:54:12,333 --> 00:54:14,125 by the Attorney General in Michigan 1137 00:54:14,208 --> 00:54:17,792 on state sex abuse charges related to one victim, 1138 00:54:17,875 --> 00:54:19,500 who was not a gymnast he treated. 1139 00:54:20,417 --> 00:54:23,166 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1140 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,750 POSTHUMA: The first time he got put in jail, 1141 00:54:30,834 --> 00:54:32,625 he bailed himself out for a million dollars. 1142 00:54:32,709 --> 00:54:36,709 He was a free citizen. He's walking around town, 1143 00:54:36,792 --> 00:54:40,333 still trying to be, um, part of the council 1144 00:54:40,417 --> 00:54:44,208 for Holt High School. It's dividing the whole town. 1145 00:54:44,291 --> 00:54:45,917 I had people I talked to on the phone, 1146 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,583 that couldn't even speak because 1147 00:54:47,667 --> 00:54:50,250 they were best friends with Nassar's wife. 1148 00:54:50,333 --> 00:54:54,125 The Twistars community is behind him 100 percent. 1149 00:54:54,208 --> 00:54:56,750 And I have known him before he even went 1150 00:54:56,834 --> 00:55:00,291 to medical school. And everything he's ever done 1151 00:55:00,375 --> 00:55:03,208 for gymnastics and everything I've ever seen him do 1152 00:55:03,291 --> 00:55:06,583 has been nothing but caring and sincere. 1153 00:55:06,667 --> 00:55:09,625 There are hundreds of people that support him 100 percent. 1154 00:55:09,709 --> 00:55:11,792 We have received countless emails 1155 00:55:11,875 --> 00:55:14,625 and communications from other doctors, physicians, 1156 00:55:14,709 --> 00:55:18,041 physical therapists, ex-patients, 1157 00:55:18,125 --> 00:55:20,542 ex-coworkers supporting him. 1158 00:55:20,625 --> 00:55:22,250 There's no doubt he has a ton of support. 1159 00:55:22,333 --> 00:55:25,166 I couldn't even go on Facebook because people from my childhood 1160 00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:28,250 were saying things against me, essentially. 1161 00:55:28,333 --> 00:55:30,125 Just decided to click on the comments. 1162 00:55:30,208 --> 00:55:32,625 "Oh, they're lying," or "They're just in it for the money," 1163 00:55:32,709 --> 00:55:34,583 or, "Oh, they should have known that happened." 1164 00:55:34,667 --> 00:55:38,792 There's all these weird emotions, you know, 1165 00:55:38,875 --> 00:55:40,792 at the beginning of September 2016, 1166 00:55:40,875 --> 00:55:44,583 until the porn stuff came out and then everyone silenced. 1167 00:55:44,667 --> 00:55:46,500 SIMON SHAYKHET: ...FBI agents saying they found 1168 00:55:46,583 --> 00:55:50,500 at least 37,000 thousand images and videos of child pornography 1169 00:55:50,583 --> 00:55:53,667 on hard drives belonging to Dr. Larry Nassar. 1170 00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:55,625 They were seized during a recent search 1171 00:55:55,709 --> 00:55:58,792 of the former MSU doctor's home in Holt. 1172 00:55:58,875 --> 00:56:02,667 I represented Dr. Nassar in his criminal matters 1173 00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:04,208 in Michigan and in federal court. 1174 00:56:04,291 --> 00:56:07,458 I believe law enforcement said there were 37,000 1175 00:56:07,542 --> 00:56:09,792 or more than 37,000 images. 1176 00:56:09,875 --> 00:56:14,083 It sounds like a high volume to people who are not familiar 1177 00:56:14,166 --> 00:56:15,834 with these cases, but in all honestly, 1178 00:56:15,917 --> 00:56:17,083 it's not a high volume. 1179 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,333 It makes me want to vomit. 1180 00:56:20,417 --> 00:56:23,083 Were some of those pictures some of these gymnasts 1181 00:56:23,166 --> 00:56:24,375 and some of his patients, 1182 00:56:24,458 --> 00:56:26,291 some people that he saw at his house? 1183 00:56:26,375 --> 00:56:27,625 Quite possibly so. 1184 00:56:27,709 --> 00:56:29,792 I mean, I cared that that was found, 1185 00:56:29,875 --> 00:56:31,208 but what I mostly cared about, 1186 00:56:31,291 --> 00:56:32,875 that he was in prison without bail. 1187 00:56:32,959 --> 00:56:36,542 Bond was revoked and Dr. Nassar was, uh, locked up in jail. 1188 00:56:36,625 --> 00:56:39,375 And so, it became more difficult in terms of, 1189 00:56:39,458 --> 00:56:40,959 you know, defending. 1190 00:56:41,041 --> 00:56:43,375 INTERVIEWER: There was no real way to mount a defense 1191 00:56:43,458 --> 00:56:45,500 in the-- with the child porn. 1192 00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:48,458 I can't answer that. 1193 00:56:50,375 --> 00:56:52,417 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1194 00:56:58,583 --> 00:57:00,333 O'BRIEN: There was no more reasonable doubt 1195 00:57:00,417 --> 00:57:03,834 about this anymore. And USA Gymnastics 1196 00:57:03,917 --> 00:57:07,500 starts realizing this is not going to get better quickly. 1197 00:57:07,583 --> 00:57:10,417 The US Olympic Committee's board is recommending 1198 00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:14,959 that USA Gymnastics president, Steve Penny, resign. 1199 00:57:15,041 --> 00:57:16,583 O'BRIEN: Steve Penny lost his job, 1200 00:57:16,667 --> 00:57:19,917 but he got a roughly one-million-dollar payout. 1201 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,041 Then fall of 2017 was when the Harvey Weinstein allegations 1202 00:57:24,125 --> 00:57:27,417 came out and we were in the full throes 1203 00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:29,417 of the "Me Too" movement. 1204 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:31,959 McKayla Maroney, the gold medal Olympic gymnast. 1205 00:57:32,041 --> 00:57:35,000 Maroney is now coming forward to say that she was abused 1206 00:57:35,083 --> 00:57:38,000 by the former doctor for Team USA. 1207 00:57:38,083 --> 00:57:41,583 Olympic gymnast, Aly Raisman, said she is among 1208 00:57:41,667 --> 00:57:43,917 the young women sexually abused 1209 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,875 by a former physician with USA Gymnastics. 1210 00:57:46,959 --> 00:57:49,250 Four-time Olympic gold medalist Simone Biles 1211 00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:50,750 says she was sexually abused 1212 00:57:50,834 --> 00:57:53,041 by a former USA Gymnastics team doctor. 1213 00:57:53,125 --> 00:57:55,875 She posted about it on Twitter yesterday saying this, 1214 00:57:55,959 --> 00:57:58,875 "I am not afraid to tell my story anymore." 1215 00:57:58,959 --> 00:58:02,792 These are some of the most cherished, celebrated athletes 1216 00:58:02,875 --> 00:58:06,166 in America, in the world. And they're coming forward 1217 00:58:06,250 --> 00:58:08,250 and saying, "This also happened to me. 1218 00:58:08,333 --> 00:58:11,250 We were also abused, and right under the noses 1219 00:58:11,333 --> 00:58:14,166 of the US Olympic Committee, USA Gymnastics, 1220 00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:16,166 and the American public. This was happening 1221 00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:21,625 while we were competing for you in London and before then." 1222 00:58:21,709 --> 00:58:24,250 Their public coming forward, I think, 1223 00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:25,917 the importance of that can't be overstated. 1224 00:58:26,875 --> 00:58:30,083 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1225 00:58:41,709 --> 00:58:42,875 BAILIFF: All rise. 1226 00:58:46,166 --> 00:58:48,000 JUDGE ROSEMARIE AQUILINA: Thank you. You may be seated. 1227 00:58:48,083 --> 00:58:50,542 The attorneys asked if I would take a plea, 1228 00:58:50,625 --> 00:58:51,959 and I advised, "That's fine, 1229 00:58:52,041 --> 00:58:53,542 but I'm going to let everybody talk. 1230 00:58:53,625 --> 00:58:56,125 Because he harmed so many, not just the girls, 1231 00:58:56,208 --> 00:58:58,875 but everybody who touches this case." 1232 00:58:58,959 --> 00:59:03,041 Victims will be allowed to speak, 1233 00:59:03,125 --> 00:59:06,792 and we'll continue until all victims have had an opportunity. 1234 00:59:06,875 --> 00:59:08,625 POSTHUMA: When the opportunity posed for us 1235 00:59:08,709 --> 00:59:12,458 to do our impact statements, I was thankfully at a place 1236 00:59:12,542 --> 00:59:15,709 where I knew that you don't need to be shameful 1237 00:59:15,792 --> 00:59:18,083 'cause it wasn't your fault, and you don't need to live 1238 00:59:18,166 --> 00:59:19,458 in that darkness anymore. 1239 00:59:21,375 --> 00:59:24,291 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1240 00:59:33,375 --> 00:59:35,667 SMITH: You know, the day of court, my alarm went off, 1241 00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:38,417 and I have never been in such a panic. 1242 00:59:38,500 --> 00:59:42,208 Like, I felt like I was falling off a cliff when I woke up. 1243 00:59:42,291 --> 00:59:45,458 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1244 00:59:48,583 --> 00:59:50,542 There were so many people in there 1245 00:59:50,625 --> 00:59:53,792 that were so heavily impacted by what happened. 1246 00:59:53,875 --> 00:59:56,250 SMITH: Every time a door opened, we were all-- (GASPS) 1247 00:59:56,333 --> 00:59:57,792 You know? Like, I felt that tension 1248 00:59:57,875 --> 01:00:00,333 and I felt everyone's eyes go to the door immediately. 1249 01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:03,875 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1250 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,583 The first victim will be publicly identified. 1251 01:00:09,667 --> 01:00:12,000 -Miss Kyle Stephens. -(CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1252 01:00:13,917 --> 01:00:15,542 KYLE STEPHENS: Good morning. 1253 01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:17,083 Up until this point, 1254 01:00:17,166 --> 01:00:20,500 I've been known as Victim ZA, or family friend. 1255 01:00:20,583 --> 01:00:22,417 I was the first to testify in this case 1256 01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:24,542 and, wary of the attention that could come with that, 1257 01:00:24,625 --> 01:00:26,875 I asked for complete anonymity. 1258 01:00:26,959 --> 01:00:28,750 I'm addressing you publicly today 1259 01:00:28,834 --> 01:00:31,750 as a final step and statement to myself 1260 01:00:31,834 --> 01:00:35,083 that I have nothing to be ashamed of. 1261 01:00:35,166 --> 01:00:37,333 My parents had become close friends with Larry 1262 01:00:37,417 --> 01:00:40,375 and his wife, Stephanie. It was during this time-- 1263 01:00:40,458 --> 01:00:42,667 I estimate I was approximately six years old-- 1264 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:46,166 that Larry Nassar began to sexually abuse me. 1265 01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:49,083 He first exposed his penis to me in a dark boiler room 1266 01:00:49,166 --> 01:00:50,917 in the basement of his home. 1267 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,125 He told me, "If you ever want to see it, 1268 01:00:53,208 --> 01:00:54,709 all you have to do is ask." 1269 01:00:56,291 --> 01:00:57,917 Let me remind you of the interests 1270 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,875 of a six-year-old girl. 1271 01:00:59,959 --> 01:01:03,125 My favorite TV show was Clifford The Big Red Dog 1272 01:01:03,208 --> 01:01:06,458 and my favorite book was Junie B. Jones. 1273 01:01:06,542 --> 01:01:08,667 I could not do a multiplication problem 1274 01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:11,458 and still had not lost all my baby teeth. 1275 01:01:11,542 --> 01:01:15,125 Someone of this maturity level should not be sexually active, 1276 01:01:15,208 --> 01:01:18,333 but I was. Without my knowledge or consent, 1277 01:01:18,417 --> 01:01:20,375 I had engaged in my first sexual experience 1278 01:01:20,458 --> 01:01:24,041 by kindergarten. And it progressed from exposure 1279 01:01:24,125 --> 01:01:28,333 to masturbating in front of me while playing hide-and-go-seek, 1280 01:01:28,417 --> 01:01:31,000 rubbing his bare penis on my bare feet, 1281 01:01:31,083 --> 01:01:33,583 and penetrating my vagina with his fingers. 1282 01:01:36,291 --> 01:01:39,458 It took a friend confiding the details of her sexual abuse 1283 01:01:39,542 --> 01:01:42,875 for me to realize that something was wrong. 1284 01:01:42,959 --> 01:01:45,208 I was 12 years old when I told my parents, 1285 01:01:45,291 --> 01:01:49,000 "When Larry rubs my feet, he uses his penis." 1286 01:01:49,083 --> 01:01:53,375 My parents confronted him, and he denied any such action. 1287 01:01:53,458 --> 01:01:56,458 Due to complex details that I won't get into here, 1288 01:01:58,041 --> 01:02:00,625 my parents chose to believe Larry Nassar over me. 1289 01:02:02,333 --> 01:02:05,041 I spent the years between 12 and 18 1290 01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:08,417 avoiding and detaching from my family. 1291 01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:12,875 To my father, someone who makes such heinous false accusations 1292 01:02:12,959 --> 01:02:14,458 is the worst type of person. 1293 01:02:17,125 --> 01:02:19,667 His belief that I had lied seeped into the foundation 1294 01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:23,291 of our relationship. Every time we got into a fight, 1295 01:02:25,083 --> 01:02:27,834 he would tell me, "You need to apologize to Larry." 1296 01:02:32,166 --> 01:02:35,000 It wasn't until I was about to leave for college 1297 01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:37,542 that I took another chance at clearing my name. 1298 01:02:39,625 --> 01:02:41,750 Larry Nassar's actions had already caused me 1299 01:02:41,834 --> 01:02:46,917 significant anguish, but I hurt worse as I watched my father 1300 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,792 realize what he had put me through. 1301 01:02:51,583 --> 01:02:53,583 My father and I did our best to patch up 1302 01:02:53,667 --> 01:02:54,834 our tattered relationship 1303 01:02:54,917 --> 01:02:57,667 before he committed suicide in 2016. 1304 01:03:03,959 --> 01:03:06,291 AQUILINA: It was very painful. 1305 01:03:09,125 --> 01:03:10,959 You could see it in their face. 1306 01:03:11,834 --> 01:03:14,125 People were shaking, crying... 1307 01:03:15,667 --> 01:03:17,667 just at the sight of Nassar. 1308 01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:21,166 JORDYN WIEBER: I thought that training for the Olympics 1309 01:03:21,250 --> 01:03:24,250 would be the hardest thing that I would ever have to do. 1310 01:03:24,333 --> 01:03:27,166 But in fact, the hardest thing I've ever had to do 1311 01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:30,667 is process that I'm a victim of Larry Nassar. 1312 01:03:30,750 --> 01:03:34,667 As I listened, I started getting angry, 1313 01:03:34,750 --> 01:03:36,792 which I didn't want to get angry. 1314 01:03:36,875 --> 01:03:38,291 When the proceedings started, 1315 01:03:38,375 --> 01:03:40,166 it was just like any other court hearing. 1316 01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:42,125 And really what happened is every day, 1317 01:03:42,208 --> 01:03:44,250 there were more and more girls coming forward. 1318 01:03:44,333 --> 01:03:47,250 ANGELA POVILAITIS: The next survivor you will hear from is Amanda Thomashow. 1319 01:03:47,333 --> 01:03:49,750 -LINDSEY LEMKE: Lindsey Lemke. -POVILAITIS: Jessica Smith, 1320 01:03:49,834 --> 01:03:52,291 and she has agreed to be publicly identified. 1321 01:03:52,375 --> 01:03:55,625 Normally, there are not people applauding. 1322 01:03:55,709 --> 01:03:58,250 (APPLAUSE) 1323 01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:01,709 People booing the defense lawyers. 1324 01:04:01,792 --> 01:04:04,667 My office and my family were getting death threats. 1325 01:04:04,750 --> 01:04:07,750 My co-counsel was getting death threats on his children. 1326 01:04:09,917 --> 01:04:14,917 At times, I was very fearful of just the vulnerability 1327 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,834 coming out into fighting. 1328 01:04:16,917 --> 01:04:19,542 It felt like you were really a part of a mob. 1329 01:04:19,625 --> 01:04:22,667 And it was just adding like a constant fuel to a fire. 1330 01:04:22,750 --> 01:04:26,375 It's almost like that kind of an explosion was inevitable. 1331 01:04:28,375 --> 01:04:30,208 REPORTER 5: Gymnastics doctor who has admitted 1332 01:04:30,291 --> 01:04:31,959 to sexually assaulting young girls, 1333 01:04:32,041 --> 01:04:33,500 claiming it was medical treatment, 1334 01:04:33,583 --> 01:04:35,417 back in court today. 1335 01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:39,125 Judge, I would ask you to, as part of the sentencing, 1336 01:04:40,458 --> 01:04:42,041 to grant me five minutes 1337 01:04:42,125 --> 01:04:45,375 in a locked room with this demon. 1338 01:04:45,458 --> 01:04:47,667 -I have given-- -Would you do that? 1339 01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:49,041 JUDGE JANICE CUNNINGHAM: 1340 01:04:49,125 --> 01:04:50,709 -Yes or no? -CUNNINGHAM: 1341 01:04:50,792 --> 01:04:53,250 -Would you give me one minute? -(UNCOMFORTABLE CHUCKLES) 1342 01:04:54,125 --> 01:04:56,333 CUNNINGHAM: 1343 01:04:56,417 --> 01:04:59,000 -Well, I'm gonna have to just-- -(SURPRISED SHOUTS) 1344 01:05:03,333 --> 01:05:05,041 RANDALL MARGRAVES: Let me at that son of a bitch. 1345 01:05:05,125 --> 01:05:06,542 OFFICER 2: I understand, but stay down. 1346 01:05:06,625 --> 01:05:08,458 MARGRAVES: Give me one minute with that bastard. 1347 01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:11,583 One minute. 1348 01:05:11,667 --> 01:05:14,375 OFFICER 2: Relax, sir. Relax. Take it easy, buddy. 1349 01:05:14,458 --> 01:05:18,166 Just relax. 1, 2, 3. 1350 01:05:19,792 --> 01:05:21,750 What if this happened to you guys' daughters? 1351 01:05:21,834 --> 01:05:24,250 -(WOMAN BREATHING HEAVILY) -CUNNINGHAM: You can't do that. 1352 01:05:24,333 --> 01:05:25,959 You cannot behave like that. 1353 01:05:43,458 --> 01:05:45,125 "I'm very concerned... 1354 01:05:46,667 --> 01:05:50,542 about my ability to be able to face witnesses 1355 01:05:50,625 --> 01:05:52,667 this next four days mentally." 1356 01:05:54,250 --> 01:05:57,333 The letter he wrote me was all about him, 1357 01:05:57,417 --> 01:06:00,000 him wanting to be in control. 1358 01:06:00,083 --> 01:06:04,041 Sir, there's a few sentences in here that concern me. 1359 01:06:06,709 --> 01:06:08,250 Your letter states, 1360 01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:11,166 "Now, Aquilina is having a four-day... 1361 01:06:12,208 --> 01:06:15,709 sentencing media circus. 1362 01:06:15,792 --> 01:06:20,792 She wants me to sit in the witness box next to her 1363 01:06:20,875 --> 01:06:23,583 for all four days so the media cameras 1364 01:06:23,667 --> 01:06:27,208 -will be directed toward her." -(CROWD CHUCKLES) 1365 01:06:29,333 --> 01:06:31,208 And the portions I didn't want to read 1366 01:06:31,291 --> 01:06:36,750 is because he's actually listed some names. Victim blaming. 1367 01:06:36,834 --> 01:06:40,792 I didn't want to read it and then black out the names 1368 01:06:40,875 --> 01:06:43,333 because each girl is going to put their name in there. 1369 01:06:43,417 --> 01:06:45,792 There's no good that's going to come from reading 1370 01:06:45,875 --> 01:06:48,083 that whole letter, which is why I sealed it. 1371 01:06:53,166 --> 01:06:56,667 INTERVIEWER: What was it like for you to consider 1372 01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:59,834 if you wanted to read a statement in court? 1373 01:06:59,917 --> 01:07:02,625 CHELSEA ZERFAS: Um. At first, I was kind of unsure 1374 01:07:02,709 --> 01:07:05,291 just because of being in that courtroom 1375 01:07:05,375 --> 01:07:09,208 and having to face the person who did all that stuff to me. 1376 01:07:09,291 --> 01:07:12,083 But at the same time, I wanted to have a voice. 1377 01:07:13,959 --> 01:07:16,750 You manipulated me so much that I didn't know 1378 01:07:16,834 --> 01:07:21,834 what was going on. Larry acted as if he was a friend. 1379 01:07:21,917 --> 01:07:24,000 He would greet me with a sickening smile 1380 01:07:24,083 --> 01:07:26,667 every time I saw him. 1381 01:07:26,750 --> 01:07:29,792 I remember him liking my posts on Instagram. 1382 01:07:29,875 --> 01:07:32,041 It's weird to think that an older male doctor 1383 01:07:32,125 --> 01:07:35,208 was liking a little girl's posts and commenting "Merry Christmas" 1384 01:07:35,291 --> 01:07:36,959 on Christmas morning. 1385 01:07:37,041 --> 01:07:38,834 I started to get anxiety after seeing 1386 01:07:38,917 --> 01:07:40,834 all the news reports about him. 1387 01:07:40,917 --> 01:07:44,166 I felt like I couldn't breathe and I would tremble in fear. 1388 01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:46,166 I have nightmares about what happened 1389 01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:47,875 and have troubles with sleeping. 1390 01:07:47,959 --> 01:07:50,041 (VOICE SHAKING) I've been put on anxiety pills 1391 01:07:50,125 --> 01:07:52,583 just so I can function throughout the day. 1392 01:07:52,667 --> 01:07:55,834 It's hard for me to trust people because of you. 1393 01:07:55,917 --> 01:07:57,291 I get scared and uncomfortable 1394 01:07:57,375 --> 01:07:59,208 when I have to go to the doctor's. 1395 01:07:59,291 --> 01:08:01,458 I get scared that I will be taken advantage of 1396 01:08:01,542 --> 01:08:05,667 once again by another doctor, just like you did. 1397 01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:09,917 I've tried my best to gain back the strength I once had. 1398 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,500 I am a survivor. Here I am today facing my abuser. 1399 01:08:14,583 --> 01:08:18,875 I'm finally being heard. I'm no longer hiding my story. 1400 01:08:18,959 --> 01:08:21,500 When it first started, there were only about six 1401 01:08:21,583 --> 01:08:25,375 who were actually going to come public with their name. 1402 01:08:25,458 --> 01:08:28,875 One girl empowered the next, empowered the next. 1403 01:08:28,959 --> 01:08:31,834 ALY RAISMAN: Your honor, I didn't think I would be here today. 1404 01:08:31,917 --> 01:08:34,583 I was scared and nervous. 1405 01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:36,250 It wasn't until I started watching 1406 01:08:36,333 --> 01:08:39,375 the impact statements from the other brave survivors 1407 01:08:39,458 --> 01:08:43,250 that I realized I too needed to be here. 1408 01:08:43,333 --> 01:08:45,875 I am also here to tell you to your face, Larry, 1409 01:08:45,959 --> 01:08:48,417 that you have not taken gymnastics away from me. 1410 01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:51,792 I love this sport, and that love is stronger than the evil 1411 01:08:51,875 --> 01:08:54,458 that resides in you and those who enabled you 1412 01:08:54,542 --> 01:08:56,458 to hurt many people. 1413 01:08:56,542 --> 01:09:00,250 Larry, you do realize now that we, this group of women 1414 01:09:00,333 --> 01:09:03,792 you so heartlessly abused over such a long period of time, 1415 01:09:03,875 --> 01:09:06,542 are now a force and you are nothing? 1416 01:09:08,083 --> 01:09:11,834 You hear these statements and, you know, they're so brave. 1417 01:09:11,917 --> 01:09:13,458 So, I wanted them to know, one, 1418 01:09:13,542 --> 01:09:15,041 I wanted the little ones to know 1419 01:09:15,125 --> 01:09:18,000 that I was there for them 'cause I was older 1420 01:09:18,083 --> 01:09:21,166 and I do know him very well and I wanted them to know 1421 01:09:21,250 --> 01:09:23,709 that I'll stand, I'll stand with them. 1422 01:09:24,875 --> 01:09:26,083 If you will allow it, 1423 01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:28,166 I would like to address him directly. 1424 01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:30,000 AQUILINA: You may. 1425 01:09:30,083 --> 01:09:32,417 -(SOBS) -AQUILINA: Take your time. 1426 01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:35,041 HOMER: It's all right, sweetie. 1427 01:09:35,125 --> 01:09:38,583 -Wow. -You're strong. You're strong. 1428 01:09:38,667 --> 01:09:40,542 GONCZAR: What have you done? 1429 01:09:42,792 --> 01:09:45,166 I look at these young girls here and I told my mom 1430 01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:49,000 the hardest part for me was to see how little they were. 1431 01:09:49,083 --> 01:09:51,750 She said to me, "You were that little too, 1432 01:09:52,542 --> 01:09:53,792 if not younger." 1433 01:09:55,417 --> 01:09:59,542 I had to make an extremely hard choice this week, Larry. 1434 01:09:59,625 --> 01:10:04,333 I had to choose whether continue supporting you through this 1435 01:10:04,417 --> 01:10:07,250 or to support them, the girls. 1436 01:10:08,417 --> 01:10:10,458 I choose them, Larry. 1437 01:10:11,875 --> 01:10:15,208 I've known you basically all of my life. 1438 01:10:15,291 --> 01:10:19,000 In fact, I've known you 31 of 37 years. 1439 01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:22,625 I remember your wedding, 1440 01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:27,667 thinking Stephanie was the luckiest woman in the world. 1441 01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:30,917 My heart hurts for her and the kids every single day. 1442 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,125 Why lose everything and everything that was good? 1443 01:10:34,208 --> 01:10:36,083 For what? 1444 01:10:36,166 --> 01:10:39,667 We literally loved you like family 1445 01:10:41,625 --> 01:10:44,625 because we thought you loved us back. 1446 01:10:47,291 --> 01:10:51,625 I choose to look you in the face and tell you that you hurt us. 1447 01:10:52,959 --> 01:10:54,000 You hurt me, 1448 01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:58,083 as I've had to realize I was abused 1449 01:10:58,166 --> 01:10:59,834 for many years of my life. 1450 01:11:01,250 --> 01:11:05,000 And this, my old friend, is because of you. 1451 01:11:07,834 --> 01:11:09,834 I don't know who you are now. 1452 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,834 Larry, I think you will be happy to know 1453 01:11:13,917 --> 01:11:15,875 that I am 12 weeks pregnant today. 1454 01:11:17,166 --> 01:11:18,542 It's a little boy. 1455 01:11:21,834 --> 01:11:24,125 And I will do everything for the rest of my life 1456 01:11:24,208 --> 01:11:26,458 to make sure that the yous of this world 1457 01:11:26,542 --> 01:11:28,500 don't get to hurt another one of us. 1458 01:11:31,041 --> 01:11:32,166 Goodbye, Larry. 1459 01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:34,375 It's time for me to close the door. 1460 01:11:37,375 --> 01:11:40,792 May God bless your dark, broken soul. 1461 01:11:40,875 --> 01:11:42,208 AQUILINA: Thank you. 1462 01:11:58,834 --> 01:12:02,625 We are on our final victim impact statement. 1463 01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:07,041 I am so honored to let you know that the next person 1464 01:12:07,125 --> 01:12:09,875 you will hear from is Rachael Denhollander. 1465 01:12:11,458 --> 01:12:13,333 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1466 01:12:21,667 --> 01:12:24,458 How much is a little girl worth? 1467 01:12:25,834 --> 01:12:28,875 At 15, I believed that the adults at MSU 1468 01:12:28,959 --> 01:12:31,208 surrounding Larry would do the right thing, 1469 01:12:31,291 --> 01:12:33,333 and I was terribly wrong. 1470 01:12:33,417 --> 01:12:36,625 You play word games, saying you didn't know 1471 01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:38,000 because no one believed 1472 01:12:38,083 --> 01:12:39,959 because these teenagers didn't report it 1473 01:12:40,041 --> 01:12:41,583 to the right official. 1474 01:12:41,667 --> 01:12:44,709 And so, I am asking point-blank. When Kathie Klages humiliated 1475 01:12:44,792 --> 01:12:47,041 Larissa Boyce and waved the report form 1476 01:12:47,125 --> 01:12:49,709 in front of her, telling her there would be consequences 1477 01:12:49,792 --> 01:12:51,875 if she reported, is this the right way 1478 01:12:51,959 --> 01:12:53,375 or the wrong way? 1479 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,792 When Amanda Thomashow reported to the Title IX office 1480 01:12:57,875 --> 01:13:00,875 and Larry was allowed to hand-pick the four colleagues 1481 01:13:00,959 --> 01:13:03,625 to determine whether his treatment was legitimate, 1482 01:13:03,709 --> 01:13:06,625 was it the right way or the wrong way 1483 01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:10,417 to handle a report of sexual assault on MSU's campus? 1484 01:13:12,125 --> 01:13:13,625 No one wanted to listen. 1485 01:13:14,875 --> 01:13:17,500 I ask that you hand down a sentence that tells us 1486 01:13:17,583 --> 01:13:19,625 that what was done to us matters. 1487 01:13:19,709 --> 01:13:22,083 Larry said in court that he hoped education 1488 01:13:22,166 --> 01:13:24,333 and learning would happen. 1489 01:13:24,417 --> 01:13:26,125 This is what we need to learn. 1490 01:13:27,125 --> 01:13:29,333 Look around the courtroom. 1491 01:13:29,417 --> 01:13:33,333 Remember what you have witnessed these past seven days, 1492 01:13:33,417 --> 01:13:36,542 and let it be a warning to us all. 1493 01:13:36,625 --> 01:13:40,208 When the adults in authority do not respond properly 1494 01:13:40,291 --> 01:13:43,208 to disclosures of sexual assault, 1495 01:13:43,291 --> 01:13:45,250 when institutions create a culture 1496 01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:48,333 where a predator can flourish unafraid. 1497 01:13:49,208 --> 01:13:51,917 This is what it looks like. 1498 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,208 It looks like a courtroom full of survivors 1499 01:13:54,291 --> 01:13:56,917 who carry deep wounds, 1500 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,417 women and girls who carry scars that will never fully heal, 1501 01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:02,834 but who have banded together to fight for themselves 1502 01:14:02,917 --> 01:14:05,750 because no one else would do it. 1503 01:14:05,834 --> 01:14:08,500 Women and girls who have made the choice to place the guilt 1504 01:14:08,583 --> 01:14:13,458 and shame on the only person to whom it belongs, the abuser. 1505 01:14:13,542 --> 01:14:16,208 But may the horror expressed in this courtroom 1506 01:14:16,291 --> 01:14:20,083 over the last seven days be motivation for anyone 1507 01:14:20,166 --> 01:14:22,917 and everyone, no matter the context, 1508 01:14:23,041 --> 01:14:25,250 to take responsibility if they have erred 1509 01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:27,250 in protecting a child. 1510 01:14:27,333 --> 01:14:29,959 To understand the incredible failures 1511 01:14:30,041 --> 01:14:31,542 that led to this week, 1512 01:14:31,625 --> 01:14:35,750 and to do it better the next time. 1513 01:14:35,834 --> 01:14:39,083 Because everything is what these survivors are worth. 1514 01:14:39,166 --> 01:14:41,041 -Thank you. -AQUILINA: Thank you. 1515 01:14:41,125 --> 01:14:46,959 You built an army of survivors and you are a five-star general. 1516 01:14:47,041 --> 01:14:48,208 (LAUGHTER) 1517 01:14:49,125 --> 01:14:51,125 You made all of this happen. 1518 01:14:51,208 --> 01:14:54,208 You made all these voices matter. 1519 01:14:54,291 --> 01:14:55,542 Thank you. 1520 01:14:56,208 --> 01:14:57,375 Thank you. 1521 01:15:01,959 --> 01:15:04,834 (APPLAUSE) 1522 01:15:16,583 --> 01:15:18,542 MAN: Larry wants to address the court as well. 1523 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,125 AQUILINA: What would you like me to know? 1524 01:15:22,208 --> 01:15:23,875 It's just a short statement. 1525 01:15:23,959 --> 01:15:28,291 Um. Your words these past several days, 1526 01:15:28,375 --> 01:15:32,208 your words, your words, 1527 01:15:32,291 --> 01:15:35,625 have had a significant emotional effect on myself 1528 01:15:35,709 --> 01:15:38,166 and have shaken me to my core. 1529 01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:40,625 I also recognize that what I am feeling 1530 01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:44,875 pales in comparison to the pain, trauma, 1531 01:15:44,959 --> 01:15:49,166 and emotional destruction that all of you are feeling. 1532 01:15:50,625 --> 01:15:53,542 There are no words that can describe 1533 01:15:53,625 --> 01:15:57,250 the depth and breadth of how sorry I am 1534 01:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,000 for what has occurred. 1535 01:15:59,083 --> 01:16:02,083 BOYCE: He heard all the cries, so he turned around again 1536 01:16:02,166 --> 01:16:04,875 and more and more girls started crying. 1537 01:16:04,959 --> 01:16:07,834 And then the judge realized what he was doing. 1538 01:16:07,917 --> 01:16:10,125 An acceptable apology... 1539 01:16:10,208 --> 01:16:12,125 AQUILINA: Sir, you need to stay at the microphone 1540 01:16:12,208 --> 01:16:13,375 or they can't hear you. 1541 01:16:13,458 --> 01:16:14,709 An acceptable apology to all of you 1542 01:16:14,792 --> 01:16:17,709 is impossible to write and convey. 1543 01:16:17,792 --> 01:16:21,417 I will carry your words with me for the rest of my days. 1544 01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:22,959 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1545 01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:50,375 "The media convinced them 1546 01:16:50,458 --> 01:16:53,208 that everything I did was wrong and bad. 1547 01:16:54,291 --> 01:16:57,208 They feel I broke their trust. 1548 01:16:57,291 --> 01:17:01,000 Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." 1549 01:17:01,083 --> 01:17:02,291 (CROWD GROANS) 1550 01:17:02,375 --> 01:17:04,458 His letter fired me up so much. 1551 01:17:04,542 --> 01:17:06,750 "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." 1552 01:17:06,834 --> 01:17:10,542 I mean, he's not comprehending the damage that he has done. 1553 01:17:10,625 --> 01:17:16,500 That line really says it all. He has no respect for women. 1554 01:17:16,583 --> 01:17:18,667 BOYCE: I think it helped hearing that, actually, 1555 01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:22,333 because I-- there's been many times where I felt bad 1556 01:17:22,417 --> 01:17:26,959 for him because we had this relationship with him. 1557 01:17:27,041 --> 01:17:29,709 We, like, we really loved him, 1558 01:17:29,792 --> 01:17:32,625 and looked up to him, and cared about him. 1559 01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:38,375 And so, it was good to hear those words that he wrote 1560 01:17:38,458 --> 01:17:42,667 because it made me f-- not feel bad for him anymore. 1561 01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:45,875 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 1562 01:17:53,291 --> 01:17:55,000 Would you like to withdraw your plea? 1563 01:17:55,083 --> 01:17:56,291 NASSAR: No, your honor. 1564 01:17:58,417 --> 01:18:00,417 AQUILINA: Because you are guilty, aren't you? 1565 01:18:03,250 --> 01:18:04,583 Are you guilty, sir? 1566 01:18:33,208 --> 01:18:36,583 If I thought he was worthy of being rehabilitated, 1567 01:18:36,667 --> 01:18:39,291 I would have sentenced him to the 25 years. 1568 01:18:40,959 --> 01:18:43,000 Based on his comments to the girls, 1569 01:18:43,083 --> 01:18:45,083 he was not remorseful. 1570 01:18:45,166 --> 01:18:47,500 He is a true predator. 1571 01:18:47,583 --> 01:18:49,625 That's all for the record. 1572 01:18:49,709 --> 01:18:50,959 BAILIFF: All rise. 1573 01:18:56,792 --> 01:18:59,291 (APPLAUSE) 1574 01:19:13,166 --> 01:19:14,417 SMITH: You know, 1575 01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:17,083 I really expected to feel a lot better, 1576 01:19:17,166 --> 01:19:18,542 if I'm being honest. 1577 01:19:18,625 --> 01:19:20,750 Felt like I was going to walk out and be like, 1578 01:19:20,834 --> 01:19:22,375 "Great, things are better now." 1579 01:19:22,458 --> 01:19:25,333 You know, and people are like "It's over!" It's not over. 1580 01:19:28,375 --> 01:19:31,709 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1581 01:19:35,500 --> 01:19:37,291 MORGAN MCCAUL: While it was very empowering 1582 01:19:37,375 --> 01:19:38,625 to watch these women, 1583 01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:39,917 they're taking back their voice 1584 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,166 but they shouldn't have ever had 1585 01:19:41,250 --> 01:19:45,125 to use it to say, "Me too." 1586 01:19:45,208 --> 01:19:47,333 Disclosing your name and your face 1587 01:19:47,417 --> 01:19:49,917 along with your story in this volume 1588 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,000 to be believed is a travesty. 1589 01:19:53,917 --> 01:19:58,291 HAMILTON: We need to deliver on the promise to these victims 1590 01:19:58,375 --> 01:20:01,709 that the world will be better because you came forward. 1591 01:20:03,166 --> 01:20:05,875 The "Me Too" movement will be a success 1592 01:20:05,959 --> 01:20:09,709 if it turns into social and legal change. 1593 01:20:09,792 --> 01:20:11,792 REPORTER 6: Is there any truth that there's money 1594 01:20:11,875 --> 01:20:13,291 been put aside for counseling 1595 01:20:13,375 --> 01:20:14,792 -for these girls? -Yes. 1596 01:20:14,875 --> 01:20:16,917 REPORTER 6: Have any of the girls been contacted yet? 1597 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,458 They were supposed to be-- 1598 01:20:18,542 --> 01:20:20,291 What about for those of us who have already had counseling 1599 01:20:20,375 --> 01:20:22,417 but this is now a year and a half later 1600 01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:23,667 that you're doing this? 1601 01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:26,125 The counseling fund, if you read the-- 1602 01:20:26,208 --> 01:20:28,083 the material that was released publicly-- 1603 01:20:28,166 --> 01:20:29,959 LEMKE: I would like to hear it from you, personally. 1604 01:20:30,041 --> 01:20:31,500 Okay. Includes past expenses. 1605 01:20:34,208 --> 01:20:37,041 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1606 01:20:41,917 --> 01:20:43,625 Another former Michigan State employee 1607 01:20:43,709 --> 01:20:45,417 is facing criminal charges tonight. 1608 01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:47,792 The State Attorney General's Office is charging 1609 01:20:47,875 --> 01:20:50,417 former MSU Gymnastics coach, Kathie Klages, 1610 01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:52,875 with two counts of lying to investigators. 1611 01:20:52,959 --> 01:20:54,542 REPORTER 7: As of today, there have been 1612 01:20:54,625 --> 01:20:56,250 three former MSU employees 1613 01:20:56,333 --> 01:20:59,166 charged during MSU's investigation. 1614 01:20:59,250 --> 01:21:03,750 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1615 01:21:08,208 --> 01:21:10,333 REPORTER 8: Young gymnasts who say they were victimized 1616 01:21:10,417 --> 01:21:13,166 by Larry Nassar are now advocating for changes 1617 01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:15,458 to Michigan laws to make it easier 1618 01:21:15,542 --> 01:21:17,417 to hold abuse enablers accountable. 1619 01:21:23,291 --> 01:21:25,959 INTERVIEWER: What can be done so this does not happen? 1620 01:21:26,041 --> 01:21:27,750 You have to start from scratch. 1621 01:21:27,834 --> 01:21:30,875 You have to create a whole new governing body, 1622 01:21:30,959 --> 01:21:32,792 new USA Gymnastics. 1623 01:21:32,875 --> 01:21:34,542 You need to move it out of Indianapolis. 1624 01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:38,125 You need to bring people in that know all sides of the sport, 1625 01:21:38,208 --> 01:21:40,959 and including, you know, treating people right. 1626 01:21:52,417 --> 01:21:55,041 There is a sense that slowly but surely, 1627 01:21:55,125 --> 01:21:56,500 progress is being made 1628 01:21:56,583 --> 01:21:59,083 and people in positions of authority 1629 01:21:59,166 --> 01:22:01,583 are having to answer for what happened. 1630 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,625 More fallout from the Larry Nassar scandal. 1631 01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:08,583 USA Gymnastics has suspended 1632 01:22:08,667 --> 01:22:10,834 the owner of Twistars, John Geddert. 1633 01:22:18,875 --> 01:22:22,583 We demonize the Nassars and the Sanduskys, 1634 01:22:22,667 --> 01:22:24,375 uh, and they've done horrible things. 1635 01:22:24,458 --> 01:22:26,333 But it's the ones who covered it up 1636 01:22:26,417 --> 01:22:29,500 who made it worse and created more victims. 1637 01:22:30,917 --> 01:22:33,083 SEN. JERRY MORAN: Mr. Penny. Uh, let me ask you this. 1638 01:22:33,166 --> 01:22:35,709 Uh, after being informed about the abuse, 1639 01:22:35,792 --> 01:22:38,750 my understanding is that, uh, you waited 41 days 1640 01:22:38,834 --> 01:22:41,083 to contact law enforcement. Is that correct? 1641 01:22:41,166 --> 01:22:43,709 I would like to answer your question. 1642 01:22:43,792 --> 01:22:45,583 However, I've been instructed by my attorney 1643 01:22:45,667 --> 01:22:47,500 to assert my rights under the 5th Amendment. 1644 01:22:47,583 --> 01:22:49,625 You were part of an organization, 1645 01:22:49,709 --> 01:22:51,583 United States Gymnastics. 1646 01:22:51,667 --> 01:22:54,291 Don't you feel you have a responsibility to the athletes 1647 01:22:54,375 --> 01:22:57,083 who are here today and to others around the country? 1648 01:22:58,041 --> 01:22:59,291 Respectfully, Senator, 1649 01:22:59,375 --> 01:23:01,041 I've been instructed by my attorney 1650 01:23:01,125 --> 01:23:02,792 to assert my rights under the 5th Amendment 1651 01:23:02,875 --> 01:23:04,709 and decline to answer your question. 1652 01:23:06,583 --> 01:23:09,750 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1653 01:23:21,959 --> 01:23:23,250 What we really have to do 1654 01:23:23,333 --> 01:23:25,458 is we have to start listening to our kids. 1655 01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:28,834 If a child says to you they don't like 1656 01:23:28,917 --> 01:23:32,041 how someone touched them, you don't say, 1657 01:23:32,125 --> 01:23:35,250 "But that's one of the nicest people I ever met." 1658 01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:39,625 You sit down and you say, "Why? What was wrong?" 1659 01:23:42,625 --> 01:23:45,625 INTERVIEWER: Would you let your daughter do gymnastics? 1660 01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:47,375 BOYCE: I have mixed emotions. 1661 01:23:48,250 --> 01:23:49,875 I feel hopeful that... 1662 01:23:51,834 --> 01:23:53,792 changes, positive changes, are being made 1663 01:23:53,875 --> 01:23:57,917 so it will be a better sport for her... eventually. 1664 01:23:59,583 --> 01:24:02,834 MOCEANU: The sport is beautiful It's a wonderful sport. 1665 01:24:02,917 --> 01:24:04,166 My child does it. 1666 01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:06,000 I didn't yank him out just because of this. 1667 01:24:06,083 --> 01:24:09,542 No. I felt empowered that, hey, the sport's going to be better 1668 01:24:09,625 --> 01:24:12,041 for a future generation of children, right, 1669 01:24:12,125 --> 01:24:14,500 because we stood up and we did something about it 1670 01:24:14,583 --> 01:24:16,458 and we're actually being heard now. 1671 01:24:17,291 --> 01:24:19,083 (CHILDREN CHATTER) 1672 01:24:19,166 --> 01:24:22,041 ZERFAS: I would see, like, my old teammates posting, 1673 01:24:22,125 --> 01:24:26,208 and I'd see all these things about gymnastics 1674 01:24:26,291 --> 01:24:30,208 and I really missed it, and one day I told my mom 1675 01:24:30,291 --> 01:24:32,250 that I really wanted to do it again. 1676 01:24:32,333 --> 01:24:34,917 So, it's where I'm at now. 1677 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,333 How does that look? 1678 01:24:36,417 --> 01:24:38,000 That looks good. 1679 01:24:38,083 --> 01:24:40,208 COACH: Okay. I mean, why don't you try it? You try a couple. 1680 01:24:40,291 --> 01:24:42,333 -and then if it needs to be moved, I'm happy to move it. -ZERFAS: Okay. 1681 01:24:42,417 --> 01:24:43,750 -COACH: Does that work? -ZERFAS: Yeah. 1682 01:24:43,834 --> 01:24:46,500 ZERFAS: I did feel that I'm finally able 1683 01:24:46,583 --> 01:24:47,709 to start my life again 1684 01:24:47,792 --> 01:24:50,750 and not have to worry about him 1685 01:24:50,834 --> 01:24:53,542 ever doing anything wrong again. 1686 01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:58,041 And being back, I... 1687 01:24:58,125 --> 01:25:02,208 I was able to build up that confidence I once had, 1688 01:25:02,291 --> 01:25:07,333 and I'm just able to do what I love. 1689 01:25:09,166 --> 01:25:11,625 ♪ ("I'M STILL HERE" BY SIA PLAYS) ♪ 1690 01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:17,166 ♪ I'm winning the war now ♪ 1691 01:25:18,458 --> 01:25:22,625 ♪ I'm winning it all now ♪ 1692 01:25:23,959 --> 01:25:28,667 ♪ Watch tears While they fall down ♪ 1693 01:25:29,667 --> 01:25:34,041 ♪ I'm winning the war now ♪ 1694 01:25:35,458 --> 01:25:40,834 ♪ I win against ego ♪ 1695 01:25:40,917 --> 01:25:46,333 ♪ Cast light On the shadow's long ♪ 1696 01:25:46,417 --> 01:25:52,083 ♪ I'm winning from ego ♪ 1697 01:25:52,166 --> 01:25:55,625 ♪ I'm lighting The long way home ♪ 1698 01:25:55,709 --> 01:25:58,250 ♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪ 1699 01:25:58,333 --> 01:26:01,166 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1700 01:26:01,250 --> 01:26:03,792 ♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪ 1701 01:26:03,875 --> 01:26:06,667 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1702 01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:09,417 ♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪ 1703 01:26:09,500 --> 01:26:12,375 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1704 01:26:12,458 --> 01:26:15,208 ♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪ 1705 01:26:15,291 --> 01:26:18,000 ♪ But the battle was lost ♪ 1706 01:26:18,083 --> 01:26:19,834 ♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪ 1707 01:26:19,917 --> 01:26:21,291 ♪ It's haunted me ♪ 1708 01:26:21,375 --> 01:26:23,667 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1709 01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:26,458 ♪ Oh, the past It's haunted me ♪ 1710 01:26:26,542 --> 01:26:29,291 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1711 01:26:29,375 --> 01:26:32,041 ♪ Oh, the past It's haunted me ♪ 1712 01:26:32,125 --> 01:26:34,917 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1713 01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,709 ♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪ 1714 01:26:37,792 --> 01:26:40,667 ♪ But the battle was lost ♪ 1715 01:26:40,750 --> 01:26:43,000 ♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪ 1716 01:26:43,083 --> 01:26:48,500 ♪ I'm fighting my ego ♪ 1717 01:26:48,583 --> 01:26:54,250 ♪ Lost youth, Where did we go wrong? ♪ 1718 01:26:54,333 --> 01:26:59,875 ♪ I'm winning for me, though ♪ 1719 01:26:59,959 --> 01:27:05,750 ♪ I'm lighting The long way home ♪ 1720 01:27:05,834 --> 01:27:08,709 ♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪ 1721 01:27:08,792 --> 01:27:11,667 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1722 01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:14,375 ♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪ 1723 01:27:14,458 --> 01:27:17,291 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1724 01:27:17,375 --> 01:27:20,041 ♪ Oh, the past, it haunted me ♪ 1725 01:27:20,125 --> 01:27:23,000 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1726 01:27:23,083 --> 01:27:25,750 ♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪ 1727 01:27:25,834 --> 01:27:28,542 ♪ But the battle was lost ♪ 1728 01:27:28,625 --> 01:27:30,208 ♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪ 1729 01:27:30,291 --> 01:27:31,667 ♪ It's haunted me ♪ 1730 01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:34,166 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1731 01:27:34,250 --> 01:27:36,875 ♪ Oh, the past It's haunted me ♪ 1732 01:27:36,959 --> 01:27:39,917 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1733 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,625 ♪ Oh, the past It's haunted me ♪ 1734 01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:45,625 ♪ Oh, the past It wanted me dead ♪ 1735 01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:48,333 ♪ Oh, the past tormented me ♪ 1736 01:27:48,417 --> 01:27:51,250 ♪ But the battle was lost ♪ 1737 01:27:51,333 --> 01:27:53,625 ♪ 'Cause I'm still here ♪ 1738 01:27:59,166 --> 01:28:02,166 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYS) ♪