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[soft classical music]

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- I was one of those kids, who back in the 80s,

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was always in the video
store, always renting.

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When I wasn't at school,
I was in the video store

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and I never realized in the 1990s I got my chance

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to be the movie geek who worked behind the counter.

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I was the guy who people came to for recommendations.

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Because the 1990s gave way to the straight to video star.

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Like your Don "The
Dragon' Wilson,

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your Gary Daniels.

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Jean-Claude Van Damme, well he was a continuation of,

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and for me the
1990s represented,

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the straight to
video side of things,

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a chance to just forget
about everything.

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Just sit back, relax, enjoy,

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take your mind off
your cares of the world

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and rent a movie.

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[eerie tense music]

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[upbeat classical music]

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- [Narrator] Meet Wesley.

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- He's such a good boy.

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- [Narrator] He's
a model student.

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- What's the matter, retard?

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Can't you talk?

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- [Narrator] But when
it comes to girls.

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- Have you even talked to her?

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- [Narrator] He's
got a lot to learn.

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- Studies have shown that guys get much further with girls

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after they talk.

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- [Narrator] It's time
he got his education.

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- I'm Ms. Xenobia.

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The new biology teacher.

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- Holy mother of God!

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- [Narrator] Dr. Alien.

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- It was Dr. Alien that Charles Band took to Paramount

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and said, "We spent one point two million making this film."

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I think it actually
cost about 350,000

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but it was, that's what he said

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because they were a huge studio with huge overhead,

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they were still blown away.

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We can't do anything
of this quality

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for that amount of money.

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So that's what basically
started the deal

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for Full Moon Pictures
with Paramount.

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- Full Moon movies
were like huge to me.

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Those were some of
my favorite movies

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and still are.

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I mean, what set those apart

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is you'd go to the video
store, you'd rent those,

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and it was your first
glimpse into the idea

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of special features
on those VHS movies.

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I mean Subspecies,
Puppet Master,

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all of those, Trancers.

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You'd watch them and
at the end of the VHS

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after the credits, they'd have behind the scenes footage

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or a mail order catalog
to get like replicas.

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I mean, that blew my mind

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and Full Moon was
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that was like off their rocker.

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You had no idea what
you were getting into.

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You know, growing up, I was really into skateboarding

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and punk rock because I just, I wasn't one of the cool kids.

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Horror movies and that kind

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of stuff was the
only thing I had.

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I didn't have many friends.

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So, in a lot of ways Blade, Torch, Jack Death,

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those were my friends.

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I'd go home from school and I'd hang out with those guys

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every time I put in, you
know, a Full Moon movie.

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[mechanical whirring]

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- I'd written the first draft

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of the original Puppet
Master for Charlie.

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What happened was they
brought David Schmoeller

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in to direct the film

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and while they were not gonna go Director's Guild,

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they were willing to
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which apparently Schmoeller was a member of.

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So he rewrote the script

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and he did a fairly
major rewrite on it.

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There's still some similarities to my script,

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including the fact that
there's puppets in it.

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- Charlie, what he wanted to do with Puppet Master III

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is he wanted a prequel
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and going back to whether it was gonna be a period piece

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to World War II.

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Of course, the first film is, starts with a period,

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you know, kind of the bookends and all that stuff

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with William Hickey
and everything.

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So, I was like, okay.

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So I sat down and
started really thinking

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about this whole thing as if we did a World War II

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and that's when I came
up with a whole thing

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and David just
embraced it like crazy

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and said, Let's
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Where Eagles Dare and
Night of the Generals

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and all those great pinewood Nazi movies of the 1960s.

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David would come
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we'd sit there and we
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or I'd be, load him
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He got completely
totally into it.

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Got in the attitude
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but the big stumbling block was

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is I was writing the script, is we were supposed

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to shoot in Romania

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and it was gonna be one
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to be done over there.

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There was some
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So, suddenly that was
no longer an option

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and we're like going, well what are we going to do?

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Because of course to do a World War II film there

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and what have you, is a whole different bag of beans

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than doing it here and
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and DeCoteau who got together

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and they were the ones who not only convinced Charlie

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but made the deal for us to make the movie at Universal

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which was just sensational.

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So, we all, you know, we moved into the Universal back lot.

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Had more visitors, probably,

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than any other Full
Moon production

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just 'cause everybody
wanted to go

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'cause we shooting in
Frankenstein village.

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So everybody wanted
to be there and every,

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it was great.

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We had a ball and
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has this tremendous look.

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With David and his collaborationwith Adolfo Bartoli

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because here we have, you know,

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a true studio back
lot and a back lot

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with this history
that related directly

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to the movie we were making.

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So, yeah that was really cool.

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- You said you
could devise a drug

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so it would give a
dead soldier movement.

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[screaming]

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[gunshots]

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- [Narrator] But Andre Toulon didn't need wires.

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To make death move.

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- This is exactly what we foundin the marionette theater.

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- And this will solve all your problems, doctor?

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- If I can get to Toulon

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I know we can prolong
the soldiers new life

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but I must get to him.

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[tense music]

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- Herr Toulon has
escaped your custody.

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- We are very close
to finding him.

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- Nothing will stop me
from seeking you out

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and making each one
of you to your knees

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for what you have done and you will cry me mercy.

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- [Narrator] Puppet Master III.

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- Completely and totally
and it is the best one.

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No, it's not a fan favorite.

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- No, it is.
- Let's, let's.

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No, I know it is, but
let's really cut chop

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the rest of the heads off.

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Come on, it's the best one.

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- Some years later they
were doing four and five

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and my friend, Mike
Deak, was running a shop

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for Charlie called
Alchemy and Wayne Toth

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came up with the cool idea

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of making this demon puppet.

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It was a like a walk
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I thought it was a cool idea.

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Basically, the
operator was concealed

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inside a double layered
cape behind the person.

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There was a linkage so
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than a person.

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So there was a linkage
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to the neck and head
of the character

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I think he had some
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that the performer could
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The arms had rods
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and of course there was
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so you didn't see
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There was something
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to hold over all weight

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and then the performer's feet fit behind the thing

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so it could actually walk

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and this thing, of course, had this impossible anatomy,

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very skeletal looking,
very sinewy things,

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it couldn't possibly
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- I got involved with Full Moon

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on Puppet Master VI and V.

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- [Narrator] When
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into the secret of
artificial life.

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- It's the formula.

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- [Narrator] He
became the master

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of Andre Toulon's puppets.

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- The future is
yours [mumbling].

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Guard and protect it
and keep it from evil.

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- [Narrator] Now,
his newfound power

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will make him a pawn.

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- And you say there are
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still at the hotel?

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- [Narrator] Between
a corporation.

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- [Man] Now once we're inside,

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what we're looking for is six string less puppets.

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[glass shattering]

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- [Narrator] And
a demon from hell.

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Puppet Master 5.

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- It was gonna be one
movie for Paramount

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and then they decided
no, we're gonna,

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it's not gonna be a theatrical for Paramount.

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We're gonna pare
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and do them kinda split
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and do two movies.

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So he got kind of two movies for the price of none

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and those, because they were Paramount negative pickups,

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I guess, or they were
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they got very good distribution,

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video wise, around the world.

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They were a hoot to make

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and it was, the script
had already existed

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for the theatrical movie

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but it had been changed
a lot through the,

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I think there are five credited,

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six counting Charlie, credited writers on the two movies

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and we all threw our hand in

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and the scripts, both scripts were incoherent mess.

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So the only way you can
have any fun with them

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is just to go nuts
as much as you could

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within the context
of the production.

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- When Charlie asked
me if I would come back

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and start writing movies again.

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I said look, I really would want to direct again,

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or direct period, I should say.

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I had been asking him about this back in the Empire days

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and in fact, I had come up with,

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believe it or not, with an idea

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to remake Not of this Earth

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and this was, of course I didn't know Jim Wynorski

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was doing it with Traci Lords and all that stuff.

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So that was kinda happening.

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So that ended that, plus it was,

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you know, owned by
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But, when Empire shut its door and then Full Moon,

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so I was like, okay,
let's try this again.

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Trancers Three happened
for me as a director

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for really only two reasons.

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Albert Band and Tim Thomerson.

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Of course, it was Charlie's ultimate decisions

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but his dad completely backed me on directing the movie

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and then Tim just
was, he was amazing.

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He, 'cause he had been in moviethat I had written already.

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So we knew each other,
we liked each other,

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but boy he just came in there

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like the flaming
sword of Siegfried

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and he was the series.

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- [Narrator] A cop
from another world.

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- What's the matter?

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00:13:12,136 --> 00:13:13,758
You never seen a cop before?

255
00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:16,485
- [Narrator] And a
nurse shrunk by aliens.

256
00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:19,315
- Just the thing to
drive G.I. Joe insane.

257
00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:22,215
- [Narrator] Are teaming
up with a big partner.

258
00:13:22,249 --> 00:13:23,906
- She's a cop in trouble.

259
00:13:23,941 --> 00:13:26,633
- [Narrator] For some
deadly fun and games.

260
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- Toys that come to
life and kill people

261
00:13:29,187 --> 00:13:30,982
to help a demon from hell?

262
00:13:32,708 --> 00:13:34,192
You can go where those toys go.

263
00:13:34,227 --> 00:13:36,919
You're the perfect size to help me kick their butts.

264
00:13:36,954 --> 00:13:38,645
[gunshots]

265
00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,647
- Let's start up the
entertainment, boys.

266
00:13:40,681 --> 00:13:41,648
[screaming]

267
00:13:41,682 --> 00:13:42,649
[laughing]

268
00:13:42,683 --> 00:13:43,650
- [Narrator] And this time.

269
00:13:43,684 --> 00:13:45,617
- This is [mumbles] ass kicking.

270
00:13:45,652 --> 00:13:46,929
- Get away from me.

271
00:13:46,964 --> 00:13:48,448
[laughing]

272
00:13:48,482 --> 00:13:51,865
- [Narrator] They're picking on someone their own size.

273
00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:53,315
- Gosh, guys.

274
00:13:53,349 --> 00:13:55,938
This is the best bachelorparty a guy could ever ask for.

275
00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:58,216
[laughing]

276
00:13:59,977 --> 00:14:01,702
- Pop goes the weasel.

277
00:14:01,737 --> 00:14:06,259
- That was, I think we had the original Buechler puppets.

278
00:14:06,293 --> 00:14:09,572
I made Baby Oopsy-Daisy and I made the Jack in the Box.

279
00:14:09,607 --> 00:14:12,058
Baby Oopsy-Daisy I
wasn't terribly happy

280
00:14:12,092 --> 00:14:13,369
with the way that turned out

281
00:14:13,404 --> 00:14:15,302
but I basically had a
week to make each one

282
00:14:15,337 --> 00:14:16,579
of these things.

283
00:14:16,614 --> 00:14:19,272
So there was no stopping

284
00:14:19,306 --> 00:14:21,826
and then I also made
a new character,

285
00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:25,312
which was supposed to be
sort of like a G.I. Joe

286
00:14:25,347 --> 00:14:27,452
action man thing
which was a suit

287
00:14:27,487 --> 00:14:29,420
that was worn by Ted Haines.

288
00:14:29,454 --> 00:14:31,008
- I really like Dr. Mordrid.

289
00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:32,802
I think it's just got
some great stuff in it.

290
00:14:32,837 --> 00:14:36,565
Even though we were, again, working very limited funds.

291
00:14:36,599 --> 00:14:41,018
There was so much
in that worked well.

292
00:14:41,052 --> 00:14:42,364
I really liked Yvette Nipar,

293
00:14:42,398 --> 00:14:44,193
I thought she was terrific

294
00:14:44,228 --> 00:14:46,195
and we had obviously
a terrific bad guy

295
00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:47,334
in Brian Thompson.

296
00:14:47,369 --> 00:14:49,060
- [Narrator] Dr. M. Tom Mordrid

297
00:14:49,095 --> 00:14:52,857
has stood guard
between our world

298
00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:54,894
and the dark dimensions.

299
00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,725
Now, after centuries of waiting,

300
00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,797
evil's ultimate
warrior has arrived.

301
00:15:01,831 --> 00:15:04,558
[dramatic music]

302
00:15:05,732 --> 00:15:09,218
- Kabal is a demon who uses mortals to do his bidding.

303
00:15:09,529 --> 00:15:11,255
[screaming]

304
00:15:11,289 --> 00:15:13,395
[dramatic music]

305
00:15:13,429 --> 00:15:14,499
- What difference does it make

306
00:15:14,534 --> 00:15:16,639
if I want this dying planet?

307
00:15:16,674 --> 00:15:18,745
- A sorcerer is not a god.

308
00:15:18,779 --> 00:15:23,784
- Full Moon movies, you can tell every single department

309
00:15:24,647 --> 00:15:26,097
put everything into that.

310
00:15:26,132 --> 00:15:27,650
You know?

311
00:15:27,685 --> 00:15:31,275
The art department, special effects, practical effects.

312
00:15:31,309 --> 00:15:34,588
I mean, Jesus Christ,
what a glorious time

313
00:15:34,623 --> 00:15:37,867
to be alive in the 80s and 90s watching those movies.

314
00:15:39,248 --> 00:15:41,595
- Parting is such sweet sorrow.

315
00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:42,976
- Totally sucks.

316
00:15:43,011 --> 00:15:46,600
["Sacrifice" by Motorhead]

317
00:15:50,915 --> 00:15:53,918
♪ Why do they not believe

318
00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:57,818
♪ I have not lied
even for this ♪

319
00:15:57,853 --> 00:16:00,718
♪ Now no one can conceive

320
00:16:00,752 --> 00:16:04,929
♪ The lie becomes
the loving kiss ♪

321
00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:06,931
♪ Sacrifice

322
00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,553
♪ Sacrifice

323
00:16:08,588 --> 00:16:10,417
♪ Sacrifice

324
00:16:10,452 --> 00:16:12,109
♪ Sacrifice

325
00:16:12,143 --> 00:16:14,076
♪ Sacrifice

326
00:16:14,111 --> 00:16:15,940
♪ Pay the price

327
00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,424
- I was a huge horror
nerd growing up.

328
00:16:17,459 --> 00:16:19,806
You know, watching things like Night of the Demons

329
00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,739
and Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama

330
00:16:21,773 --> 00:16:23,741
and like the original
Toxic Avenger.

331
00:16:25,191 --> 00:16:27,227
I would, you know, just kind of watch these crazy movies

332
00:16:27,262 --> 00:16:29,022
on the weekend, never in a million years was I like,

333
00:16:29,057 --> 00:16:30,817
oh I can make these films.

334
00:16:30,851 --> 00:16:33,199
Because in my head these
are Hollywood movies

335
00:16:33,233 --> 00:16:36,823
and you needed to know Hollywoodpeople to do that, right?

336
00:16:36,857 --> 00:16:38,411
But where I went to
school in Manhattan,

337
00:16:38,445 --> 00:16:40,137
there were a lot of actor kids that like would,

338
00:16:40,171 --> 00:16:42,587
you know, Broadway
actors and what not

339
00:16:42,622 --> 00:16:44,279
and they would read this
paper called Backstage

340
00:16:44,313 --> 00:16:45,832
and I was like,
oh let me see that

341
00:16:45,866 --> 00:16:48,317
and there happened to be
an ad for Troma Studios.

342
00:16:48,352 --> 00:16:50,526
They were looking for
extras for their movie

343
00:16:50,561 --> 00:16:52,390
Tromeo and Juliet

344
00:16:52,425 --> 00:16:54,220
and I was like, that's Troma.

345
00:16:54,254 --> 00:16:55,117
Like oh my god.

346
00:16:55,152 --> 00:16:56,532
Surf Nazis Must Die.

347
00:16:56,567 --> 00:16:58,914
Like I have to go
and so I cut school

348
00:16:58,948 --> 00:17:00,226
and I went down to the audition

349
00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:01,710
and I told them
all these stories

350
00:17:01,744 --> 00:17:03,815
about what a great actor I was

351
00:17:03,850 --> 00:17:05,127
and they were like,
what special skills

352
00:17:05,162 --> 00:17:06,335
do you have?

353
00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:08,268
I'm like, man, I'm a
black belt in jiu-jitsu.

354
00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:12,169
I think I was like maybe a green belt in jiu-jitsu

355
00:17:12,203 --> 00:17:14,240
and I was probably like
a triple black belt

356
00:17:14,274 --> 00:17:17,070
in street fighting but I certainly didn't have like,

357
00:17:17,105 --> 00:17:19,693
you know, I wasn't Bruce Lee.

358
00:17:20,867 --> 00:17:23,421
But they I think
liked my bullshit

359
00:17:23,456 --> 00:17:25,423
or my excitement for the genre

360
00:17:25,458 --> 00:17:29,255
and James Gunn, it was James Gunn first movie with Troma

361
00:17:29,289 --> 00:17:31,291
and Lloyd Kaufman were like,

362
00:17:31,326 --> 00:17:33,500
well you know, you're pretty good, funny or whatever

363
00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:35,019
and they gave me
the part of Peter

364
00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:36,434
the bodyguard to
the Capulet family.

365
00:17:36,469 --> 00:17:38,919
Which I was, like
you don't understand.

366
00:17:38,954 --> 00:17:42,475
Like I would have
walked in the background

367
00:17:42,509 --> 00:17:44,373
of that movie and I
could have been happy

368
00:17:44,408 --> 00:17:45,926
and just kinda of went on with the rest of my life

369
00:17:45,961 --> 00:17:48,101
but the fact that I had like a speaking part in it

370
00:17:48,136 --> 00:17:49,551
and I got to fight in it

371
00:17:49,585 --> 00:17:52,036
and you know, have stunts go wrong, obviously,

372
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,521
because I really
didn't know jiu-jitsu

373
00:17:54,556 --> 00:17:56,351
but it was a dream.

374
00:17:56,385 --> 00:17:59,630
It kinda of, it's the only reason I'm still in the genre.

375
00:17:59,664 --> 00:18:02,219
- Well, we began Troma in 1974.

376
00:18:02,253 --> 00:18:04,807
So by the 90s, were considered

377
00:18:04,842 --> 00:18:08,811
a major independent movie studio with movies like

378
00:18:08,846 --> 00:18:12,539
The Toxic Avenger and
I think the 90s for us

379
00:18:12,574 --> 00:18:17,510
was the time that we moved from the Toxic Avenger

380
00:18:18,683 --> 00:18:20,168
and Class of Nuke Em
High and Troma's War,

381
00:18:20,202 --> 00:18:22,998
we moved into Shakespeare with Tromeo and Juliet

382
00:18:23,032 --> 00:18:27,623
and we added more
and more genres

383
00:18:27,658 --> 00:18:30,626
to our distinct Troma touch.

384
00:18:30,661 --> 00:18:35,666
Troma movies are not
really genre movies.

385
00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,600
If anything they're a
Cuisinart of genres.

386
00:18:38,634 --> 00:18:42,155
They combine horror, science fiction, comedy, politics,

387
00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:45,848
Shakespeare in the case of the movie we just finished also,

388
00:18:45,883 --> 00:18:48,541
Shakespeare Shit Storm, which we just finished shooting.

389
00:18:48,575 --> 00:18:52,269
These are movies
that combine genres

390
00:18:52,303 --> 00:18:55,927
and Troma has kinda
of its own brand,

391
00:18:55,962 --> 00:18:59,034
shall we say, which may be why we're here for so many years.

392
00:18:59,068 --> 00:19:03,280
- Don't give up the fight for truly independent cinema!

393
00:19:04,867 --> 00:19:08,975
- By the 90s came along,
the VHS was going away

394
00:19:09,009 --> 00:19:14,014
and so was all the independent video stores.

395
00:19:14,877 --> 00:19:16,362
Again, I'm a little hazy on it

396
00:19:16,396 --> 00:19:19,330
but it seems that an evil empire called Blockbuster

397
00:19:19,365 --> 00:19:21,160
put everybody out of business

398
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:24,680
and they in turn went bankrupt.

399
00:19:25,509 --> 00:19:26,682
♪ What a difference

400
00:19:26,717 --> 00:19:28,753
The two elements that
make us successful

401
00:19:28,788 --> 00:19:31,135
is our movies are
good and they last

402
00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:32,999
and they're still here.

403
00:19:33,033 --> 00:19:35,001
Terror Firmer is literally a movie that came out

404
00:19:35,035 --> 00:19:37,176
in 1999 that nobody understood

405
00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:39,281
and it is a crazy movie.

406
00:19:40,696 --> 00:19:42,284
- [Announcer] Terror Firmer.

407
00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:44,873
- What we got here is
a basic cereal killer.

408
00:19:44,907 --> 00:19:47,807
- You know your killer's
choices of victims

409
00:19:47,841 --> 00:19:49,843
indicates some sort
of personal animosity

410
00:19:49,878 --> 00:19:51,466
against you and your company.

411
00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,917
- Family values must be saved!

412
00:19:54,952 --> 00:19:56,125
- Yeah, right.

413
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,748
[laughing]

414
00:19:57,782 --> 00:19:58,921
[wet crunching]

415
00:19:58,956 --> 00:19:59,957
[screaming]

416
00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:01,061
- Where's the blood?

417
00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:02,787
Where's the blood?God damn it, where's the blood?

418
00:20:02,822 --> 00:20:03,788
- We're dead.

419
00:20:03,823 --> 00:20:04,617
No!

420
00:20:04,651 --> 00:20:07,033
This is a Troma movie.

421
00:20:07,067 --> 00:20:09,208
- That guy is really dead.

422
00:20:09,242 --> 00:20:11,796
- These movie people
are disgusting.

423
00:20:11,831 --> 00:20:13,039
[screaming]

424
00:20:13,073 --> 00:20:15,248
- Oh, so you're asking
me about Terror Firmer,

425
00:20:15,283 --> 00:20:17,595
my huge big part
in Terror Firmer.

426
00:20:17,630 --> 00:20:21,358
I mean it is like I was the star of that movie, naturally.

427
00:20:21,392 --> 00:20:25,085
My part consisted, I
think of this, like.

428
00:20:27,156 --> 00:20:27,950
That's it.

429
00:20:27,985 --> 00:20:29,055
That was it.

430
00:20:29,089 --> 00:20:31,057
I think that was it.
I think I came on to the set

431
00:20:31,091 --> 00:20:34,647
to give a really
dumb shocked reaction

432
00:20:34,681 --> 00:20:36,821
to somebody's head getting like chopped off,

433
00:20:36,856 --> 00:20:38,996
I think, maybe, if I
remember correctly.

434
00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:41,378
I think I was there maybe amatter of 10 minutes on the set,

435
00:20:41,412 --> 00:20:43,345
if I'm remembering right.

436
00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:45,865
So yes, you're welcome
for Terror Firmer,

437
00:20:45,899 --> 00:20:46,831
it was all me.

438
00:20:46,866 --> 00:20:48,868
Thank you, thank you.

439
00:20:51,871 --> 00:20:52,665
- Yabba dabba do.

440
00:20:52,699 --> 00:20:54,253
- What did I tell ya?

441
00:20:54,287 --> 00:20:55,633
- You know, Jim
and I were friends.

442
00:20:55,668 --> 00:20:57,186
Just he's a fan

443
00:20:57,221 --> 00:21:01,536
and he was friends with Mark McGee and people like that

444
00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:04,573
and I met him at some different parties and stuff

445
00:21:04,608 --> 00:21:09,233
but mostly through Bill
Warren and Mark McGee.

446
00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:10,890
Jim and I got to
know each other.

447
00:21:10,924 --> 00:21:13,410
We really weren't friends but for a few years

448
00:21:13,444 --> 00:21:15,722
and then, you know, we just started hanging out.

449
00:21:15,757 --> 00:21:17,241
We lived near each other

450
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:21,866
and eventually we thought of doing a few projects together.

451
00:21:21,901 --> 00:21:24,731
Which we did and
we've had some fun.

452
00:21:26,043 --> 00:21:28,563
[gunfire]

453
00:21:28,597 --> 00:21:31,393
- Dinosaur Island we
decided to co-direct.

454
00:21:31,428 --> 00:21:34,603
Which was wonderful
because were surrounded

455
00:21:34,638 --> 00:21:39,194
by a horde of hot
chicks for two weeks.

456
00:21:39,228 --> 00:21:41,852
Okay and this is
beyond Michelle Bauer,

457
00:21:41,886 --> 00:21:44,199
or Griffin Drew,
and Antonia Dorian,

458
00:21:44,233 --> 00:21:46,270
and Toni Naples, who
was also in that movie.

459
00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:50,654
There were a number of other, you know, fun girls.

460
00:21:50,688 --> 00:21:53,967
That's where we met Nikki Fritz for the first time

461
00:21:54,002 --> 00:21:57,833
and we had hired this
girl to do a dance

462
00:21:57,868 --> 00:22:00,629
and she was awful.

463
00:22:00,664 --> 00:22:05,116
We started shooting it and she just didn't know how to move

464
00:22:05,151 --> 00:22:07,498
and I said, and
Fred was directing.

465
00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:10,294
I said, Fred let's
do this tomorrow.

466
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:12,848
Call it a night.

467
00:22:12,883 --> 00:22:15,230
I'll get somebody knew and I had met this Nikki Fritz

468
00:22:15,264 --> 00:22:17,681
who was a stripper from Florida

469
00:22:17,715 --> 00:22:21,926
and she came in the next
day and just nailed it

470
00:22:21,961 --> 00:22:23,928
and I'm so glad we waited.

471
00:22:23,963 --> 00:22:24,929
[tense music]

472
00:22:24,964 --> 00:22:27,518
- [Narrator] A house abandoned.

473
00:22:27,553 --> 00:22:28,692
- We're gonna turn this

474
00:22:28,726 --> 00:22:30,418
into the best sorority
house in school.

475
00:22:31,591 --> 00:22:33,731
- [Narrator] That
holds a secret.

476
00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:35,492
- A Ouija board.

477
00:22:35,526 --> 00:22:37,356
Let's shake up the spirit world.

478
00:22:37,390 --> 00:22:38,840
- There were sets left over

479
00:22:38,874 --> 00:22:41,429
from Slumber Party
Massacre Three

480
00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:42,706
and they were trashed.

481
00:22:42,740 --> 00:22:45,950
They had blood all over
and paint spilled on em

482
00:22:45,985 --> 00:22:49,195
and all the furniture
had been removed

483
00:22:50,092 --> 00:22:53,268
and I called Julie Corman

484
00:22:53,302 --> 00:22:55,097
and said, you know I could shoot a horror movie

485
00:22:55,132 --> 00:22:58,480
here in about six days,
if you gave me the money

486
00:22:58,515 --> 00:23:00,724
and she said, "Well
those sets are trashed."

487
00:23:00,758 --> 00:23:03,623
And I said, I'll make it work

488
00:23:03,658 --> 00:23:05,418
and so I came up with the idea

489
00:23:05,453 --> 00:23:08,387
that five girls are
moving into a house

490
00:23:08,421 --> 00:23:10,527
that has been trashed

491
00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:12,114
and the villain is Hokstedter

492
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:15,048
which by, you know, coincidence

493
00:23:15,083 --> 00:23:16,912
was the name of my
Directory of Photography

494
00:23:16,947 --> 00:23:18,604
for the last couple of movies

495
00:23:18,638 --> 00:23:21,814
and it was Clive Hokstedter

496
00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:26,439
and I needed somebody to
play the other villain

497
00:23:26,474 --> 00:23:30,547
and the other villain was played by Orville Ketchum,

498
00:23:30,581 --> 00:23:32,445
who really wasn't
a villain at all.

499
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,103
That name popped into my head

500
00:23:35,137 --> 00:23:38,244
as I was writing the script.

501
00:23:38,278 --> 00:23:40,419
I had to write the
script in like four days

502
00:23:41,592 --> 00:23:44,699
just to get, make sure
it got read and approved

503
00:23:44,733 --> 00:23:46,770
before everybody
left for Europe.

504
00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:48,875
Rodger and his wife
were just taking off.

505
00:23:48,910 --> 00:23:50,946
So I had to write
it in four days

506
00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:53,086
and I was sitting
there at New Horizons,

507
00:23:53,121 --> 00:23:56,538
in one of the spare
rooms, typing away

508
00:23:56,573 --> 00:23:58,609
and that name just
came into my head.

509
00:23:58,644 --> 00:24:00,784
A few days after they
approved they script,

510
00:24:00,818 --> 00:24:03,131
I was casting, and
he just walked in.

511
00:24:03,165 --> 00:24:06,341
He was the only
guy who walked in

512
00:24:06,375 --> 00:24:09,344
and when he came in I
said, that's my guy.

513
00:24:09,378 --> 00:24:11,484
That's Orville Ketchum, okay,

514
00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:14,453
and he sat down and
he read the script

515
00:24:14,487 --> 00:24:17,421
and he turned on
Orville Ketchum.

516
00:24:18,353 --> 00:24:19,837
He just did it.

517
00:24:19,872 --> 00:24:24,221
Right there in
the casting office

518
00:24:24,255 --> 00:24:26,223
and it was wonderful.

519
00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:27,707
I said, this the guy.

520
00:24:27,742 --> 00:24:31,400
This is a sign from God that I should make this movie.

521
00:24:31,435 --> 00:24:33,920
[eerie music]

522
00:24:35,646 --> 00:24:37,476
- We were reinventing
something there.

523
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:42,204
We were doing a parody ofsomething that was very popular

524
00:24:42,239 --> 00:24:46,623
at the time and in Jim
inventing that character

525
00:24:47,865 --> 00:24:50,005
destroyed all the
other movies before it,

526
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,180
in my opinion, because
I just love Orville.

527
00:24:52,214 --> 00:24:54,320
Orville Ketchum is
my favorite character

528
00:24:54,354 --> 00:24:56,391
of all the Jim Wynorski films

529
00:24:56,425 --> 00:24:59,152
and working with Peter
Spellos on those things

530
00:24:59,187 --> 00:25:00,568
was amazing, too.

531
00:25:00,602 --> 00:25:01,914
- [Narrator] A madman has sealed

532
00:25:01,948 --> 00:25:03,881
off a Los Angeles high rise

533
00:25:04,744 --> 00:25:06,712
trapping the occupants inside.

534
00:25:09,266 --> 00:25:10,232
- Who's there?

535
00:25:10,267 --> 00:25:12,303
[eerie music]

536
00:25:12,338 --> 00:25:14,098
- Hey, the phones dead.

537
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,206
- [Narrator] Now, five young women are joining forces

538
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,725
and fighting for their lives.

539
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,797
- Look, it's three against one,

540
00:25:22,831 --> 00:25:24,350
the odds are in our favor.

541
00:25:24,384 --> 00:25:26,076
- Maybe I can
increase those odds.

542
00:25:28,216 --> 00:25:29,907
- I love that character

543
00:25:29,942 --> 00:25:33,393
and when Rodger Corman
said make another one,

544
00:25:34,602 --> 00:25:36,396
which was Hard to Die,

545
00:25:36,431 --> 00:25:37,812
because he had just
finished this thing

546
00:25:37,846 --> 00:25:39,814
called Corporate Assets

547
00:25:39,848 --> 00:25:42,713
and it's a movie
that everybody's
forgotten, everybody.

548
00:25:42,748 --> 00:25:46,614
I don't think it's even
available on DVD or VHS

549
00:25:46,648 --> 00:25:51,204
and he had all these
office building pieces

550
00:25:51,239 --> 00:25:54,138
and I just said I'm gonna do hard, you know Die Hard

551
00:25:54,173 --> 00:25:58,108
with chicks in a, in
a great, on great sets

552
00:25:58,142 --> 00:25:59,040
and we did.

553
00:25:59,074 --> 00:26:00,800
We had a great time doing that.

554
00:26:00,835 --> 00:26:02,319
Deborah Dutch was
in that one, too.

555
00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,633
- We were working in theoriginal Rodger Corman studios,

556
00:26:05,667 --> 00:26:07,531
Santa Rosa Avenue of Venice

557
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:11,984
and the turn around, sometimes,was barely eight hours

558
00:26:12,018 --> 00:26:13,882
but he always made
sure it was eight hours

559
00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:17,092
but driving from West
Hollywood to Venice

560
00:26:17,127 --> 00:26:18,680
and then staying real late.

561
00:26:18,715 --> 00:26:22,132
So the hours, you
know, kind of grueling

562
00:26:22,166 --> 00:26:24,548
because we have a
budget, you know,

563
00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:29,588
in low budget movie making of maybe two weeks top,

564
00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:32,142
if you have that,
usually 10 days

565
00:26:32,176 --> 00:26:35,283
and I had a lead
role, co-star role.

566
00:26:35,317 --> 00:26:39,011
So it just was boom
boom boom boom boom.

567
00:26:39,045 --> 00:26:42,739
So as long as you
showed up early

568
00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:46,328
before your call time to make sure you were completely

569
00:26:46,363 --> 00:26:50,091
set ready, camera
ready, knew your lines,

570
00:26:50,125 --> 00:26:54,543
hit your marks, and weren't a problem, Jim loved you.

571
00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:59,272
We had squibs on us because I get killed by a machine gun

572
00:26:59,307 --> 00:27:02,310
and we were in the warehouse

573
00:27:02,344 --> 00:27:04,346
where the guns are

574
00:27:04,381 --> 00:27:08,350
and Jim goes, and it's towards the end of the movie,

575
00:27:08,385 --> 00:27:10,905
so we had to stay on budget

576
00:27:10,939 --> 00:27:14,218
and with the special effects of squibs back then,

577
00:27:14,253 --> 00:27:15,461
you know, this was a big deal,

578
00:27:15,495 --> 00:27:17,290
'cause blood would
splatter allover

579
00:27:17,325 --> 00:27:18,602
and everything like that.

580
00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:20,224
So you can't mess up.

581
00:27:20,259 --> 00:27:21,570
You just can't do it.

582
00:27:21,605 --> 00:27:24,677
So, Jim goes, "Okay Debbie,

583
00:27:24,712 --> 00:27:26,506
there's gonna be one shot there, one shot there,

584
00:27:26,541 --> 00:27:28,336
one shot there" with the AK47,

585
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:31,028
"One shot there, one shotthere, one shot there, one shot,

586
00:27:31,063 --> 00:27:34,031
and while the shots there, it hits you in the chest

587
00:27:34,066 --> 00:27:35,067
and you fall back."

588
00:27:35,101 --> 00:27:36,171
And I said, okay.

589
00:27:36,206 --> 00:27:37,897
He says, "Okay, camera rolling."

590
00:27:37,932 --> 00:27:41,176
Boom, boom, boom,
boom and I went

591
00:27:41,211 --> 00:27:42,315
and I made a mistake.

592
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:44,041
I did not do it on time

593
00:27:44,076 --> 00:27:45,042
and he's like, "Cut, cut, cut.

594
00:27:45,077 --> 00:27:46,561
No, Debbie.

595
00:27:46,595 --> 00:27:50,082
When the AK47", it's a six shot or something like that,

596
00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:51,808
"That's when you do it."

597
00:27:51,842 --> 00:27:53,395
I said, okay, okay I got it.

598
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:54,776
So I'm sitting there, you know,

599
00:27:54,811 --> 00:27:56,916
making sure I got
this, with a squib

600
00:27:56,951 --> 00:27:59,022
because they're
gonna explode it.

601
00:27:59,056 --> 00:28:00,333
The bloods gonna go.

602
00:28:00,368 --> 00:28:01,749
So, you go boom boom.

603
00:28:01,783 --> 00:28:03,785
I messed up the second time.

604
00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:05,925
The third time I just
said, I said like,

605
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,170
oh no, this is it, third
one, it's gonna be it.

606
00:28:09,204 --> 00:28:10,827
So boom boom boom boom boom.

607
00:28:10,861 --> 00:28:13,381
I went bam, fall
back on my back,

608
00:28:13,415 --> 00:28:17,005
my feet go straight up in the air, I scream of course,

609
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,077
and Jim goes, "Cut"

610
00:28:20,112 --> 00:28:21,769
and the whole place cracked up.

611
00:28:21,803 --> 00:28:24,150
When you see that scene,
I literally bounce,

612
00:28:24,185 --> 00:28:27,498
my feet go straight up in the air and then I go dead.

613
00:28:27,533 --> 00:28:30,847
- What would happen is that he kind of threw me in there

614
00:28:30,881 --> 00:28:34,747
and, you know, actors are alwayslooking to pay their rent.

615
00:28:34,782 --> 00:28:36,680
So he would call and
he'd go, "Are you free,

616
00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:38,095
do you want to come
down, and you know,

617
00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:39,683
so you can make a
little bit of money?"

618
00:28:39,718 --> 00:28:44,170
and he'd always have these weird things for me to do.

619
00:28:44,205 --> 00:28:46,966
I just remember, I think
it was Monique and I,

620
00:28:47,001 --> 00:28:48,243
Monique Gabrielle and I.

621
00:28:48,278 --> 00:28:50,314
- Cut, cut, cut, cut.

622
00:28:50,349 --> 00:28:51,660
For Christ sake, cut.

623
00:28:51,695 --> 00:28:53,007
- What's the matter
with that, Mel?

624
00:28:53,041 --> 00:28:54,594
- Yeah, I thought we
had a real moment there.

625
00:28:54,629 --> 00:28:55,423
- Me, too.

626
00:28:55,457 --> 00:28:56,735
- Look at your feet.

627
00:28:56,769 --> 00:29:00,221
How many times I have told youto go to bed with your shoes on?

628
00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:02,602
- Well, nobody goes to bed with spiked heels on.

629
00:29:02,637 --> 00:29:03,776
That's ridiculous.

630
00:29:03,811 --> 00:29:05,985
- Yeah, well some people
think they're sexy,

631
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:07,055
- It's stupid.

632
00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:08,401
- I agree.

633
00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:09,955
- I've never been
to bed with a girl
who keeps her shoes on.

634
00:29:09,989 --> 00:29:11,404
- Yeah and lay you odds

635
00:29:11,439 --> 00:29:13,786
you've never been to
bed with two women
at the same time, either.

636
00:29:13,821 --> 00:29:15,546
Neither have the slobs
that rent these movies.

637
00:29:15,581 --> 00:29:16,996
That's why we're making em.

638
00:29:17,031 --> 00:29:19,688
- You know, any movie with that many machine guns

639
00:29:19,723 --> 00:29:21,794
and that much real pyro

640
00:29:21,829 --> 00:29:26,074
and you can see the wires coming from Peters.

641
00:29:26,109 --> 00:29:28,628
You know, they had him wired up with so many squibs

642
00:29:28,663 --> 00:29:30,320
and so many, it was
just, I loved it.

643
00:29:30,354 --> 00:29:32,322
I loved working on
those kind of films.

644
00:29:33,702 --> 00:29:35,118
- [Narrator] They
broke into the mall

645
00:29:35,152 --> 00:29:38,017
for the wildest all night party of their lives.

646
00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:40,399
[tense music]

647
00:29:40,433 --> 00:29:41,607
- They're dead meat.

648
00:29:41,641 --> 00:29:42,815
[screaming]

649
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:44,334
- [Narrator] But
you're never alone

650
00:29:45,714 --> 00:29:47,544
in the Chopping Mall.

651
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:50,961
- I met him because he called me in for a meeting

652
00:29:50,996 --> 00:29:53,515
for, it was called
Robot at the time,

653
00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:54,862
then it was called Killbot

654
00:29:54,896 --> 00:29:57,899
and you all know it
as Chopping Mall.

655
00:29:57,934 --> 00:29:59,763
[laughing]

656
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:02,007
Much to our chagrin at the time.

657
00:30:02,041 --> 00:30:03,180
However, little did I know

658
00:30:03,215 --> 00:30:04,837
I'd be sitting here in 2019

659
00:30:04,872 --> 00:30:06,114
talking about Chopping Mall.

660
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:07,598
So, thank you.

661
00:30:09,117 --> 00:30:11,810
I went in and auditioned and I was doing The Zero Boys

662
00:30:11,844 --> 00:30:13,018
which it was a night shoot,

663
00:30:13,052 --> 00:30:14,985
so we would break at
the crack of dawn.

664
00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:16,953
We did it at Jason's cabin.

665
00:30:16,987 --> 00:30:19,127
So it was kind of a far drive and everything else

666
00:30:19,162 --> 00:30:21,612
and so I went pretty
much right from the set.

667
00:30:21,647 --> 00:30:22,751
I was exhausted.

668
00:30:22,786 --> 00:30:24,512
So I was super relaxed.

669
00:30:24,546 --> 00:30:26,307
And he thought, okay this girls gonna be great

670
00:30:26,341 --> 00:30:27,687
to work with because she's got,

671
00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:29,413
hasn't got a nerve in her body

672
00:30:29,448 --> 00:30:31,450
and there's nothing
I can do that's going

673
00:30:31,484 --> 00:30:34,384
to upset her, probably
is what he thought,

674
00:30:34,418 --> 00:30:36,524
and then I had to read for Julie

675
00:30:36,558 --> 00:30:37,732
and I kind of got nervous.

676
00:30:37,766 --> 00:30:39,216
He said, "What's
the matter with you?

677
00:30:39,251 --> 00:30:40,217
You were so relaxed before."

678
00:30:40,252 --> 00:30:42,668
And I said, well
I was tired then

679
00:30:42,702 --> 00:30:45,498
and now I'm auditing
for the Cormans

680
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:46,914
but you know, I calmed down

681
00:30:46,948 --> 00:30:48,950
and fortunately for
me I got the part

682
00:30:48,985 --> 00:30:51,919
and then from there
on, like I said,

683
00:30:51,953 --> 00:30:54,438
I will reiterate,
you're always happy

684
00:30:54,473 --> 00:30:57,096
to go in and do something for a day or so

685
00:30:57,131 --> 00:31:00,030
because you're always, you know.

686
00:31:00,065 --> 00:31:02,584
It's a freelance
type of gig, acting.

687
00:31:02,619 --> 00:31:05,104
So I was very grateful that,

688
00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:08,487
to anybody that continues to, calls you up

689
00:31:08,521 --> 00:31:11,248
and says do you want to
come and do something,

690
00:31:11,283 --> 00:31:13,078
because it means that,

691
00:31:13,112 --> 00:31:15,977
you know it's that no
like and trust factor

692
00:31:17,185 --> 00:31:20,361
and that's a lot of this
business is all about.

693
00:31:20,395 --> 00:31:22,328
One day I got a
call from Andy Lane

694
00:31:22,363 --> 00:31:25,676
and he said, "Do you want to be in Servants of Twilight?"

695
00:31:25,711 --> 00:31:28,127
And I looked at
it, and I thought,

696
00:31:28,162 --> 00:31:30,923
this is a great part because in the book everyone,

697
00:31:30,958 --> 00:31:32,442
I don't know if it
reads in the movie

698
00:31:32,476 --> 00:31:34,927
'cause I don't, I haven't seen it in a long time

699
00:31:34,962 --> 00:31:39,828
but in the book it reads like she could be the person,

700
00:31:39,863 --> 00:31:42,141
she could be the
leak in that office

701
00:31:42,176 --> 00:31:44,005
and I thought, that's very,

702
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,834
that's great, I'd love to.

703
00:31:45,869 --> 00:31:48,458
And so, and I didn't really,

704
00:31:48,492 --> 00:31:51,047
at the time I don't think I was aware of Bruce Greenwood

705
00:31:51,081 --> 00:31:53,049
but I was afterwards, you know,

706
00:31:53,083 --> 00:31:55,396
and I thought, wow,
thank you, Andy.

707
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:56,880
- [Narrator]
Servants of Twilight.

708
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:59,572
[phone ringing]

709
00:32:00,504 --> 00:32:02,023
- Hello?

710
00:32:02,058 --> 00:32:03,956
- [Woman] Joey Scavello?

711
00:32:03,991 --> 00:32:05,233
- Grandma?

712
00:32:05,268 --> 00:32:08,029
- [Woman] I told you
couldn't hide from me.

713
00:32:08,064 --> 00:32:11,688
I can see you wherever you go.

714
00:32:11,722 --> 00:32:14,242
I'm going to bring
judgment down on you

715
00:32:14,277 --> 00:32:16,382
and cut your vile
little heart out.

716
00:32:18,005 --> 00:32:20,283
- It was so looked down upon.

717
00:32:20,317 --> 00:32:21,801
I remember in the 90s you'd say,

718
00:32:21,836 --> 00:32:22,975
well that's direct to video,

719
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:25,115
like it was bad thing.

720
00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:27,014
- Well, it was just one
of those old dark house

721
00:32:27,048 --> 00:32:29,326
kind of movies, with a bunch of girls running around.

722
00:32:29,361 --> 00:32:30,603
I liked working with Dick Miller

723
00:32:30,638 --> 00:32:32,467
and I liked having
Arte Johnson in there

724
00:32:32,502 --> 00:32:33,986
and David Carradine
was friend of mine.

725
00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:38,335
So, you know, it was
pretty entertaining.

726
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:39,371
Bob Quarry, you know,

727
00:32:39,405 --> 00:32:40,855
who played Count Yorga, Vampire,

728
00:32:40,889 --> 00:32:42,753
he came in and did
some of the voiceovers

729
00:32:42,788 --> 00:32:45,825
for the creature and
then I did some of them

730
00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:47,206
and it was fun.

731
00:32:47,241 --> 00:32:48,897
I mean it was a
quick, quick movie

732
00:32:48,932 --> 00:32:50,071
but it was one of those films

733
00:32:50,106 --> 00:32:51,970
where you were putting
up your own money

734
00:32:52,004 --> 00:32:53,316
and there was no one to tell you

735
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:54,834
that you couldn't do something.

736
00:32:54,869 --> 00:32:57,596
So just about anything we wanted to do would fly.

737
00:32:59,011 --> 00:33:02,325
- [Narrator] Every step forward is a step backward.

738
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:04,775
- I've come to destroy you.

739
00:33:06,812 --> 00:33:07,986
- [Narrator] And every room

740
00:33:09,056 --> 00:33:10,540
is a room with a view.

741
00:33:10,574 --> 00:33:12,162
- Doing the animation plates

742
00:33:12,197 --> 00:33:15,579
is something that I had some experience with already

743
00:33:15,614 --> 00:33:19,721
and we worked with a company called Streamline in New York

744
00:33:19,756 --> 00:33:22,793
and we did it with an aerial image of photography

745
00:33:22,828 --> 00:33:24,899
and we were doing a lot
of rotoscoping anyway

746
00:33:24,933 --> 00:33:28,454
with Bret Mixon for movies like Beverly Hill's Vamp

747
00:33:28,489 --> 00:33:29,559
and stuff like that.

748
00:33:29,593 --> 00:33:30,801
So we knew we had

749
00:33:30,836 --> 00:33:33,770
to have a Mitchell Twin
Pin registered camera

750
00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:36,531
'cause every frame had
to be locked in position

751
00:33:36,566 --> 00:33:39,845
or they'd be gate weave andthat would throw off everything.

752
00:33:39,879 --> 00:33:41,226
So we did storyboards.

753
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:42,882
So where we knew we
wanted the monster

754
00:33:42,917 --> 00:33:44,367
to come up and look over a chair

755
00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:46,679
and we would shoot,
you know, the chair

756
00:33:46,714 --> 00:33:48,095
and then, sort of this stuff,

757
00:33:48,129 --> 00:33:49,682
is like where the girl fell down

758
00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:53,652
and then we had to pull her top off with fishing line.

759
00:33:53,686 --> 00:33:56,103
We pulled the little
wire so it would pop off

760
00:33:56,137 --> 00:33:58,760
and then, and then Bret
would rotoscope it.

761
00:33:58,795 --> 00:34:01,556
He would do a cartoon
animation paper cell,

762
00:34:01,591 --> 00:34:02,833
which drew the girl.

763
00:34:02,868 --> 00:34:05,560
So that then when her
hand would come up,

764
00:34:05,595 --> 00:34:08,149
her hand would pass in
front of the creature

765
00:34:08,184 --> 00:34:11,497
which was actually an animationcell on top of the footage.

766
00:34:11,532 --> 00:34:14,155
So they would roto out
the shape of her hand

767
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:15,708
as it passed in front of them.

768
00:34:15,743 --> 00:34:16,916
So it was pretty complicated

769
00:34:16,951 --> 00:34:18,297
and these were
hand painted cells.

770
00:34:18,332 --> 00:34:21,128
You know, there were thousands and thousands of them

771
00:34:21,162 --> 00:34:23,923
and then would project
the film one frame

772
00:34:23,958 --> 00:34:26,064
at a time onto the
aerial image lens

773
00:34:26,098 --> 00:34:28,307
and hang the animation
cell in front

774
00:34:28,342 --> 00:34:30,068
and then re-photograph it.

775
00:34:30,102 --> 00:34:32,070
So it would then
combine the two things.

776
00:34:32,104 --> 00:34:34,002
It was pretty
complicated for a movie

777
00:34:34,037 --> 00:34:37,420
with $140,000 budget and 35mm,

778
00:34:37,454 --> 00:34:39,732
Screen Actors Guild, and some of the actors picked

779
00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,493
up $20,000 for their parts.

780
00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:43,529
So it was quite a feat

781
00:34:43,564 --> 00:34:45,393
for the amount of
money we spent.

782
00:34:45,428 --> 00:34:49,087
- Fred is a very
efficient filmmaker.

783
00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:52,331
He doesn't give a lot
of personal direction

784
00:34:52,366 --> 00:34:55,886
and unless you would have like a heart attack on set,

785
00:34:55,921 --> 00:34:59,407
you got one take because they were shooting on 35mm.

786
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:03,239
- [Narrator] Victoria is
a very frightened woman.

787
00:35:03,273 --> 00:35:06,380
- I'm having dreams.

788
00:35:06,414 --> 00:35:09,348
Dreams that won't let me sleep.

789
00:35:09,383 --> 00:35:10,729
Nightmares.

790
00:35:10,763 --> 00:35:14,698
Most of the time I'm
being buried alive.

791
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,532
- One of my favorite
movies was Haunting Fear

792
00:35:20,566 --> 00:35:24,812
in the probably around
1991, I think it was.

793
00:35:24,846 --> 00:35:27,677
It was the biggest
part I had to date

794
00:35:27,711 --> 00:35:29,230
and when Fred
handed me a script,

795
00:35:29,265 --> 00:35:31,267
I thought it was for the
role of the secretary

796
00:35:31,301 --> 00:35:33,545
but he's like, no I want
you to play the lead.

797
00:35:33,579 --> 00:35:35,374
So I worked with
Jan Michael Vincent,

798
00:35:35,409 --> 00:35:37,687
and Karen Black,
and Robert Quarry.

799
00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:40,655
I was in practically every scene

800
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:42,692
and it was one of the
first movies where

801
00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:46,144
I go from being a victim to kind of being a villain

802
00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:49,008
and I didn't die in the end.

803
00:35:49,043 --> 00:35:51,321
That was something
unique and different.

804
00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:53,323
I am very very
fond of that movie.

805
00:35:53,358 --> 00:35:56,015
I wish it would come out on DVD

806
00:35:56,050 --> 00:35:58,121
because it never has.

807
00:35:58,156 --> 00:35:59,536
- Haunting Fear was a movie

808
00:35:59,571 --> 00:36:03,575
that was made in the samehouse as Evil Toons, same sets.

809
00:36:03,609 --> 00:36:06,267
You see them go into thecellar where Dick Miller's dead

810
00:36:06,302 --> 00:36:08,994
and you find Dick Miller dead.

811
00:36:09,028 --> 00:36:12,135
That's the same cellar where the guys body was buried

812
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:16,691
in Spirits and I don't know why we made that film

813
00:36:16,726 --> 00:36:18,210
but when we did,
we went and watched

814
00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:21,213
Legend of Hell House and The Haunting and The Evil,

815
00:36:21,248 --> 00:36:22,559
we watched all these things,

816
00:36:22,594 --> 00:36:25,113
and somebody wanted
to make this.

817
00:36:25,148 --> 00:36:29,325
So we did and it obviously it seemed perfect

818
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:32,569
for her to be a
psychic in there.

819
00:36:32,604 --> 00:36:34,571
Well, you know,
we've always tired

820
00:36:34,606 --> 00:36:38,506
at Retro Media, to
produce original content

821
00:36:38,541 --> 00:36:41,751
and I've over the years, I've invested, of course,

822
00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:44,029
and financed other
people's films.

823
00:36:44,063 --> 00:36:45,858
[wolf howling]

824
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,723
- [Narrator] A fairy
tale born from a legend.

825
00:36:48,758 --> 00:36:51,174
A truth more terrifying
than the tale.

826
00:36:52,313 --> 00:36:54,142
- Say a prayer for
Daddy tonight, okay?

827
00:36:54,177 --> 00:36:56,352
- [Narrator] Only one
man had the courage

828
00:36:56,386 --> 00:36:58,733
to stand against the
forces of darkness.

829
00:36:59,976 --> 00:37:04,981
- In 1994 Fred had a
scream queen contest

830
00:37:05,844 --> 00:37:07,052
with the Phil Donahue Show.

831
00:37:07,086 --> 00:37:09,848
He and some celebrity
guests were on board

832
00:37:09,882 --> 00:37:13,817
and they had people auditioningto be a scream queen

833
00:37:13,852 --> 00:37:17,027
and whoever did the best
audition got the part

834
00:37:17,062 --> 00:37:19,823
and would come down in
February to meet with us

835
00:37:19,858 --> 00:37:22,343
in Orlando to make the film.

836
00:37:23,655 --> 00:37:27,452
So, he had a concept
and a storyline

837
00:37:27,486 --> 00:37:30,420
that he worked out
and he sent that to us

838
00:37:30,455 --> 00:37:32,905
and we started hurriedly
writing the script.

839
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:37,393
Because this was
now October of 1994

840
00:37:37,427 --> 00:37:39,360
and he wanted it in video stores

841
00:37:39,395 --> 00:37:42,087
in time for Halloween 1995.

842
00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:46,609
In those days, it was still a four to six month turn around

843
00:37:46,643 --> 00:37:48,231
after you finished the film just

844
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,820
to get all the
promotional stuff ready.

845
00:37:50,854 --> 00:37:53,029
To get the deals set
up and everything else,

846
00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:54,582
get the release scheduled.

847
00:37:54,617 --> 00:37:58,034
So we were literally
on a time clock

848
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:02,935
and our first weekend
we had the actress

849
00:38:04,385 --> 00:38:08,562
that won the contest came down and we did her scene,

850
00:38:08,596 --> 00:38:10,840
she gets to get killed in the opening of the film.

851
00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:14,499
She's with three teenagers that inadvertently

852
00:38:14,533 --> 00:38:18,296
resurrect Jack-O and they get killed for their troubles

853
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:23,059
and we shot all of that
on the first weekend.

854
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:25,095
There was a crew from
the Donahue show there

855
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:27,857
and they shot background footage for a documentary

856
00:38:27,891 --> 00:38:32,827
and then when the show
aired a few months later

857
00:38:32,862 --> 00:38:35,899
they had that material
as well as the contest

858
00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:36,831
and so forth.

859
00:38:36,866 --> 00:38:38,592
But that's how Jack-O started.

860
00:38:38,626 --> 00:38:40,387
It was the Phil Donahue show.

861
00:38:40,421 --> 00:38:42,837
We're doing a movie that's supposed to take place

862
00:38:42,872 --> 00:38:47,290
at Halloween in a sort
of Midwestern suburb

863
00:38:47,325 --> 00:38:49,361
and we're in Florida
and we're shooting

864
00:38:49,396 --> 00:38:50,880
in February, March, and April.

865
00:38:50,914 --> 00:38:53,400
What do you need if you're doing a Halloween film?

866
00:38:54,435 --> 00:38:55,816
Pumpkins.

867
00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:58,784
Okay, so we're going
around in November,

868
00:38:58,819 --> 00:39:02,201
we're going after Halloween and after Thanksgiving.

869
00:39:02,236 --> 00:39:03,720
We're bugging
everybody, you know,

870
00:39:03,755 --> 00:39:05,481
can we take your pumpkins?

871
00:39:05,515 --> 00:39:06,930
Everybody's like yeah, take 'em.

872
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:08,863
And I'm storing
them in my garage,

873
00:39:08,898 --> 00:39:11,418
which is also the neighborhood we filmed in.

874
00:39:11,452 --> 00:39:15,767
My house was at 1764 WaterbeachCourt Apopka, Florida.

875
00:39:15,801 --> 00:39:17,872
We shot all around my house,

876
00:39:17,907 --> 00:39:19,391
all around the neighborhood.

877
00:39:19,426 --> 00:39:21,945
Infuriated the neighbors when we shot night scenes

878
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:23,602
because we're
keeping everybody up

879
00:39:23,637 --> 00:39:27,537
but I'm keeping all of these pumpkins in my garage

880
00:39:27,572 --> 00:39:31,403
and I was warned that pumpkins rot from the inside

881
00:39:31,438 --> 00:39:35,407
and if they get to that point where'll they seem solid

882
00:39:35,442 --> 00:39:37,409
but if you just bump it lightly

883
00:39:37,444 --> 00:39:39,238
the whole things gonna collapse

884
00:39:39,273 --> 00:39:41,862
and the smell is horrific.

885
00:39:41,896 --> 00:39:43,829
So we're taking
all these pumpkins

886
00:39:43,864 --> 00:39:45,279
and we're shellacking them

887
00:39:45,313 --> 00:39:47,902
so that hopefully
they'll keep for two,

888
00:39:47,937 --> 00:39:50,008
three, four months while
we shoot that film.

889
00:39:50,042 --> 00:39:51,975
So that was tough.

890
00:39:53,149 --> 00:39:56,739
The shoot itself
went reasonably well.

891
00:39:58,568 --> 00:40:01,744
It was just, it was just
a logistical nightmare.

892
00:40:01,778 --> 00:40:03,711
We had a sequence,

893
00:40:04,712 --> 00:40:06,921
we did it one entire day

894
00:40:06,956 --> 00:40:08,613
we lost all of the
footage because

895
00:40:08,647 --> 00:40:10,028
an inexperienced camera loader

896
00:40:10,062 --> 00:40:11,823
had loaded the
magazines backwards.

897
00:40:11,857 --> 00:40:13,652
So we had to re shoot that.

898
00:40:13,687 --> 00:40:15,758
We had a bunch of pick up days that we had to do

899
00:40:15,792 --> 00:40:19,555
because it, when
I turned in my cut

900
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:21,522
it was just missing some
elements that it needed.

901
00:40:21,557 --> 00:40:25,008
So it took a lot more pickups to get it finished

902
00:40:25,043 --> 00:40:27,425
and get it to where it was.

903
00:40:27,459 --> 00:40:28,840
- In the movie, Jack-O,

904
00:40:28,874 --> 00:40:31,843
I think I only appear on
the television screen.

905
00:40:31,877 --> 00:40:33,845
They're watching a movie.

906
00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:35,191
What they're watching,

907
00:40:35,225 --> 00:40:38,781
Fred and I shot in
Salem, Massachusetts.

908
00:40:38,815 --> 00:40:43,441
I had bought this costume that looked like it was colonial.

909
00:40:43,475 --> 00:40:45,995
He brought his Bolex
camera on the plane

910
00:40:46,029 --> 00:40:49,101
and we shot in graveyards and in old buildings

911
00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:50,551
in and around Salem.

912
00:40:50,586 --> 00:40:54,072
Because he was planning to make a movie called The Coven

913
00:40:54,106 --> 00:40:58,559
and have it be like a girlschool that is into witchcraft.

914
00:40:58,594 --> 00:41:01,493
Well, I don't think
he ever made the movie

915
00:41:01,528 --> 00:41:03,840
but we shot all this
experimental footage

916
00:41:03,875 --> 00:41:07,879
and so he ended up putting it on the screen in Jack-O.

917
00:41:07,913 --> 00:41:10,122
- My son's character in
the film is a horror fan

918
00:41:10,157 --> 00:41:14,264
and he's constantly in frontof the TV watching horror films

919
00:41:15,714 --> 00:41:18,476
and so one of the films he's watching is The Coven

920
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:19,925
with Brinke Stevens

921
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,964
and Brinke kindly also did some dialogue looping

922
00:41:23,998 --> 00:41:26,967
so that it seemed like more of a movie that he was watching

923
00:41:27,001 --> 00:41:29,003
where a character is talking.

924
00:41:29,038 --> 00:41:31,868
- [Narrator] Evil
has a new number.

925
00:41:31,903 --> 00:41:33,456
[screaming]

926
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,493
- Welcome to my hell.

927
00:41:35,527 --> 00:41:38,116
- [Narrator] And the devil has found a new way

928
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:40,290
to reach out and kill someone.

929
00:41:40,325 --> 00:41:43,431
[screaming]

930
00:41:43,466 --> 00:41:45,054
976-Evil II.

931
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,334
- I was going out with Monique Gabrielle at the time

932
00:41:50,438 --> 00:41:52,820
and she said, "You
can't find a spot for me

933
00:41:52,855 --> 00:41:54,891
in 976-Evil II?"

934
00:41:54,926 --> 00:41:56,755
I said, well you
know the producers

935
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:58,067
want this certain type.

936
00:41:58,101 --> 00:42:01,622
She said, "You can't
find a spot for me?"

937
00:42:01,657 --> 00:42:03,244
So I went to the producers

938
00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:07,663
and I said, please let
her play the lawyer

939
00:42:08,767 --> 00:42:10,735
who gets killed in the car

940
00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:12,288
and they said, okay,

941
00:42:12,322 --> 00:42:15,878
and if you watch that movie,

942
00:42:15,912 --> 00:42:18,846
that car is not in front
of a process screen.

943
00:42:18,881 --> 00:42:22,919
It's out there getting
hit by other cars.

944
00:42:22,954 --> 00:42:27,268
So she did her little dialogue scene with the villain

945
00:42:27,303 --> 00:42:29,132
and then the next few nights

946
00:42:29,167 --> 00:42:32,550
she was out doing this car scene

947
00:42:32,584 --> 00:42:35,207
and this car scene
was, as you know,

948
00:42:35,242 --> 00:42:40,247
it was full of bangs and
booms and zips and zangs

949
00:42:40,972 --> 00:42:42,145
and everything else.

950
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:44,078
She came home the first
night and she said,

951
00:42:44,113 --> 00:42:47,012
"I hate you, I hate you,
I hate you, I hate you."

952
00:42:47,047 --> 00:42:49,705
Her whole body was not contorted

953
00:42:49,739 --> 00:42:52,121
but it was like,
and not bruised,

954
00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:56,643
but had been banged around in these cars all night

955
00:42:56,677 --> 00:42:59,128
'cause they were hitting
the cars back and forth

956
00:42:59,162 --> 00:43:00,543
back and forth.

957
00:43:00,578 --> 00:43:01,993
Now, that sequence
was so popular

958
00:43:02,027 --> 00:43:04,374
that I used it again
in Ghoulie's Four.

959
00:43:04,409 --> 00:43:05,686
[laughter]

960
00:43:05,721 --> 00:43:08,033
[screaming]

961
00:43:10,518 --> 00:43:14,695
- I'll go back in time to the actual physical things

962
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:18,009
that used to happen
when I got a score.

963
00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:19,217
I'd get a phone call.

964
00:43:19,251 --> 00:43:21,253
I have another score
for you, Chuck.

965
00:43:21,288 --> 00:43:23,704
Okay, when's the
work print ready?

966
00:43:23,739 --> 00:43:25,430
It will be ready Tuesday.

967
00:43:25,464 --> 00:43:27,777
Okay, fine.

968
00:43:27,812 --> 00:43:30,435
It would come over
as a VHS tape,

969
00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:32,506
or a three quarter inch tape,

970
00:43:32,540 --> 00:43:33,921
and I would take a look at it

971
00:43:33,956 --> 00:43:35,889
and then the director
would come over,

972
00:43:35,923 --> 00:43:37,753
we would sit down
and look at it,

973
00:43:37,787 --> 00:43:39,306
I would take notes.

974
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:41,964
The notes, down through as I've done a lot of scores,

975
00:43:41,998 --> 00:43:44,345
the notes got lesser and
lesser through scores.

976
00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:46,624
It was like, we don't even use a notepad anymore,

977
00:43:46,658 --> 00:43:47,797
at least Jim and I don't.

978
00:43:47,832 --> 00:43:50,041
Jim and I don't even
spot the movie anymore.

979
00:43:50,075 --> 00:43:53,113
He just hands it to me or he finishes it and I start it.

980
00:43:53,147 --> 00:43:56,461
I've done almost all
my films in order.

981
00:43:56,495 --> 00:43:58,636
You start at the beginning, you do a main title,

982
00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:03,641
you use your themes from the main title throughout the film

983
00:44:03,675 --> 00:44:06,126
and then you end the
movie with either a song

984
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,679
that someone else supplies

985
00:44:07,714 --> 00:44:12,063
or you do a version of the opening title for the end.

986
00:44:12,097 --> 00:44:14,790
Now, sometimes Jim
asked me not to do that.

987
00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:16,895
Like with, it was
a Tower of Terror

988
00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:18,932
or Sorority House Massacre.

989
00:44:18,966 --> 00:44:21,037
One of them he said, "Do
a spaghetti western."

990
00:44:21,072 --> 00:44:23,281
Of course that's, whenever Jim gets bored with a score,

991
00:44:23,315 --> 00:44:25,179
he says, "Do a
spaghetti western."

992
00:44:25,214 --> 00:44:27,457
And I would always do
a spaghetti western

993
00:44:27,492 --> 00:44:29,183
because I love them, too.

994
00:44:29,218 --> 00:44:31,530
So I would always love
it when Jim would say,

995
00:44:31,565 --> 00:44:33,256
"Make this a spaghetti western."

996
00:44:33,291 --> 00:44:34,982
So that was the
process back then.

997
00:44:35,017 --> 00:44:38,814
Come in, cassette,
look at the cassette.

998
00:44:38,848 --> 00:44:43,128
The cassette gets synchronized via time code with the box

999
00:44:43,163 --> 00:44:48,168
and each time you
started the movie

1000
00:44:49,031 --> 00:44:50,722
to write a piece of music,

1001
00:44:50,757 --> 00:44:52,724
you had like a five
second pre roll

1002
00:44:52,759 --> 00:44:55,693
'cause you had to wait
for it all to sync up

1003
00:44:55,727 --> 00:44:57,177
and then once it's all sync up,

1004
00:44:57,211 --> 00:44:58,834
you can play it against picture

1005
00:44:58,868 --> 00:45:00,732
and you had a few
seconds to do that

1006
00:45:00,767 --> 00:45:02,907
and then you go
back and you'd start
that whole process again.

1007
00:45:02,941 --> 00:45:04,840
I like working on set.

1008
00:45:04,874 --> 00:45:06,911
I like making the
pictures happen.

1009
00:45:06,945 --> 00:45:08,775
I love the process
of making movies

1010
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:10,328
but there's nothing
better than sitting

1011
00:45:10,362 --> 00:45:13,158
three in the morning in your underwear smoking a joint

1012
00:45:13,193 --> 00:45:14,401
scoring a film.

1013
00:45:14,435 --> 00:45:17,507
- Ghoulies IV was
an interesting film

1014
00:45:17,542 --> 00:45:22,547
because I had just thought about the Ghoulies franchise

1015
00:45:23,686 --> 00:45:26,171
and suddenly Paul
Hertzberg, at Cinetel,

1016
00:45:26,206 --> 00:45:28,173
said, you now, "They
want another Ghoulies.

1017
00:45:28,208 --> 00:45:29,105
Would you like to do it?"

1018
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:30,451
I said, yes but I don't want

1019
00:45:30,486 --> 00:45:33,316
to do it with those
little models.

1020
00:45:33,351 --> 00:45:38,356
I want to do it with two
little people in costume

1021
00:45:39,426 --> 00:45:42,947
and but I do want Peter Liapis

1022
00:45:44,017 --> 00:45:46,536
who was in the first one

1023
00:45:46,571 --> 00:45:49,608
so that my mine is a direct sequel to number one.

1024
00:45:49,643 --> 00:45:51,472
'Cause I liked number one

1025
00:45:51,507 --> 00:45:55,856
and if I had Peter, I could do a sequel, a true sequel

1026
00:45:55,891 --> 00:46:00,896
and so we got Peter
and Stacie Randall

1027
00:46:01,793 --> 00:46:03,381
who played the villainess.

1028
00:46:03,415 --> 00:46:05,486
It was a lot of fun to make.

1029
00:46:05,521 --> 00:46:07,834
They let me do odd stuff.

1030
00:46:07,868 --> 00:46:10,284
A lot of stuff
that normal people,

1031
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:13,080
producers wouldn't
let anybody do

1032
00:46:13,115 --> 00:46:15,048
but they said ago ahead and do it, it's a comedy.

1033
00:46:15,082 --> 00:46:17,188
So I did it and it
was a lot of fun.

1034
00:46:17,222 --> 00:46:19,052
- [Narrator] In the
time of the witches

1035
00:46:19,086 --> 00:46:20,708
in a place of evil.

1036
00:46:20,743 --> 00:46:22,434
Morella Lock was put to death.

1037
00:46:22,469 --> 00:46:24,298
Now, she's come back.

1038
00:46:24,333 --> 00:46:25,852
- Call me mad if you will

1039
00:46:25,886 --> 00:46:30,339
but my wife has returned
to take possession

1040
00:46:30,373 --> 00:46:32,065
of my daughter.

1041
00:46:33,998 --> 00:46:35,344
Morella.

1042
00:46:35,378 --> 00:46:36,552
- [Narrator] Edgar Allen Poe's

1043
00:46:36,586 --> 00:46:38,830
The Haunting of Morella.

1044
00:46:38,865 --> 00:46:41,799
- When I was in
Haunting of Morella

1045
00:46:42,938 --> 00:46:45,733
you know, I had
just done Playboy.

1046
00:46:45,768 --> 00:46:50,083
So I had come from
New York on Broadway,

1047
00:46:50,117 --> 00:46:51,809
I was like a little actress.

1048
00:46:51,843 --> 00:46:53,949
I'm not gonna take my top off.

1049
00:46:53,983 --> 00:46:56,434
I'm not, you know, I'm
not gonna show my boobs.

1050
00:46:56,468 --> 00:46:58,850
You know for anything,
I'm a real actress.

1051
00:46:58,885 --> 00:47:00,403
I don't want my,

1052
00:47:00,438 --> 00:47:02,371
and I bumped into,

1053
00:47:02,405 --> 00:47:04,683
well Jim actually
and I had socially,

1054
00:47:05,995 --> 00:47:07,963
you know knew each other

1055
00:47:09,378 --> 00:47:10,931
and he said, "Well Debbie,

1056
00:47:10,966 --> 00:47:13,106
you know I'd love to
use you in my films."

1057
00:47:13,140 --> 00:47:15,729
He said, "But let me
know when you're ready

1058
00:47:15,763 --> 00:47:17,179
to pop your top."

1059
00:47:18,111 --> 00:47:19,906
I said, pop my top?

1060
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:25,877
Okay, Jim I don't want to get involved with all that

1061
00:47:25,912 --> 00:47:27,983
and so then I got into Playboy

1062
00:47:28,017 --> 00:47:29,432
and so I called up, Jim.

1063
00:47:29,467 --> 00:47:31,849
I said, Jim, I'm
ready to pop my top.

1064
00:47:31,883 --> 00:47:36,854
- Oh I loved working
on Evil Spirits.

1065
00:47:37,993 --> 00:47:40,961
It was amazing working
with Karen Black.

1066
00:47:40,996 --> 00:47:44,723
She is a very very
special person.

1067
00:47:44,758 --> 00:47:46,933
I saw is even though
she's gone now

1068
00:47:46,967 --> 00:47:49,142
because she still is just,

1069
00:47:49,176 --> 00:47:54,181
her energy, she,
there's something very
spiritual about her

1070
00:47:55,355 --> 00:47:58,910
and I don't know
what her thing is.

1071
00:47:58,945 --> 00:48:02,776
Like if she was really into very spiritual or not

1072
00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:06,987
but she had this
beautiful aura about her

1073
00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:11,198
and she was so gracious and she was so kind to me

1074
00:48:11,233 --> 00:48:15,996
and it's a spoiler alert

1075
00:48:16,031 --> 00:48:18,516
but I do play her daughter.

1076
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:22,313
So she was very loving
and motherly on that set

1077
00:48:22,347 --> 00:48:27,352
and I play a mute who ends up doing some bad things.

1078
00:48:28,388 --> 00:48:30,045
- [Narrator] Scientists
have theorized

1079
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:34,256
that it is possible
to camouflage atoms
within themselves

1080
00:48:34,290 --> 00:48:36,396
to achieve invisibility.

1081
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:39,847
- Feast your eyes on a miracle.

1082
00:48:39,882 --> 00:48:44,059
- [Narrator] These theories have now become realities.

1083
00:48:45,198 --> 00:48:46,889
- Yeah, yeah!

1084
00:48:46,924 --> 00:48:50,582
- [Narrator] Everybody thinks Keven Dornwinkle is strange.

1085
00:48:50,617 --> 00:48:51,411
[laughing]

1086
00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:52,653
His mother thought so.

1087
00:48:52,688 --> 00:48:54,621
- You're grounded for a year.

1088
00:48:54,655 --> 00:48:55,622
- [Narrator] So do his students.

1089
00:48:55,656 --> 00:48:57,141
- Is this guy for real?

1090
00:48:57,175 --> 00:49:00,316
- I'd be willing to
do anything for an A.

1091
00:49:00,351 --> 00:49:02,974
- Even his colleagues
think he's wacky.

1092
00:49:03,009 --> 00:49:05,045
- And they laughed at me, at me!

1093
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,013
- [Narrator] But
ask Kevin Dornwinkle

1094
00:49:07,047 --> 00:49:08,911
what he thinks is weird.

1095
00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:13,951
- With this injection
begins my erection.

1096
00:49:14,675 --> 00:49:16,884
[eerie tense music]

1097
00:49:30,691 --> 00:49:32,038
Tis I.

1098
00:49:32,072 --> 00:49:34,488
Your friendly neighborhood invisible maniac.

1099
00:49:37,181 --> 00:49:39,528
[screaming]

1100
00:49:41,495 --> 00:49:42,669
- [Narrator] The
Invisible Maniac.

1101
00:49:42,703 --> 00:49:44,498
- One of my all-time
favorite films,

1102
00:49:44,533 --> 00:49:48,502
from back in the 80s, 90s era

1103
00:49:48,537 --> 00:49:50,780
was The Invisible Maniac.

1104
00:49:50,815 --> 00:49:55,406
Okay, directed by Riff
Coogan AKA Adam Rifkin

1105
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,924
or vice a versa.

1106
00:49:56,959 --> 00:49:58,305
[laughing]

1107
00:49:58,340 --> 00:50:00,480
Now he is known as Adam Rifkin.

1108
00:50:00,514 --> 00:50:05,519
So I remember I was waiting to go into my audition

1109
00:50:06,451 --> 00:50:10,524
at this nice office building

1110
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:15,322
and I was again,
playing a teenager

1111
00:50:15,357 --> 00:50:19,671
even though I think I was maybe like almost 30,

1112
00:50:19,706 --> 00:50:21,604
if not 30 already.

1113
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:25,815
So I just for some reason, and it had nothing

1114
00:50:25,850 --> 00:50:28,611
to do with anything, I was sitting there reading

1115
00:50:28,646 --> 00:50:31,097
my sides to audition

1116
00:50:31,131 --> 00:50:35,032
and I just decided,
eh, I'll put my glasses

1117
00:50:35,066 --> 00:50:36,274
on for this one.

1118
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:37,758
You know, just to do
something different.

1119
00:50:37,793 --> 00:50:41,555
So because I was reading for,

1120
00:50:41,590 --> 00:50:43,178
at least I'm not sure,

1121
00:50:43,212 --> 00:50:45,007
I'm not sure if I
was actually reading

1122
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:47,941
for the character that
I was cast as, as Betty,

1123
00:50:47,975 --> 00:50:49,874
or if I was reading
for another part

1124
00:50:49,908 --> 00:50:51,082
I can't remember that.

1125
00:50:51,117 --> 00:50:53,257
So I had my glasses on,

1126
00:50:53,291 --> 00:50:55,224
I did the audition
with my glasses on

1127
00:50:55,259 --> 00:51:00,057
and then I really wasn't
expecting to get cast.

1128
00:51:00,091 --> 00:51:03,612
So just because I thought,

1129
00:51:03,646 --> 00:51:06,615
oh you know, there's a million people auditioning

1130
00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:08,099
for this thing.

1131
00:51:08,134 --> 00:51:11,068
But lo and behold, they
called me up and said,

1132
00:51:11,102 --> 00:51:13,932
we would like you for the role of Betty, the nerd.

1133
00:51:13,967 --> 00:51:17,764
And I was like, yay
the glasses was a good,

1134
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:19,662
you know, a good choice.

1135
00:51:19,697 --> 00:51:21,423
So that was really fun.

1136
00:51:21,457 --> 00:51:22,424
I enjoyed that one.

1137
00:51:23,528 --> 00:51:24,771
- Riff Coogan.

1138
00:51:24,805 --> 00:51:26,152
First of all, that's
a phony name, okay.

1139
00:51:26,186 --> 00:51:27,843
His real name is Adam Rifkin

1140
00:51:27,877 --> 00:51:31,329
and when I met him,
I mean were both sort

1141
00:51:31,364 --> 00:51:33,573
of territorial about the movie.

1142
00:51:33,607 --> 00:51:35,161
You know, I felt
like it was mine

1143
00:51:35,195 --> 00:51:36,679
because I was making a sequel

1144
00:51:36,714 --> 00:51:39,303
and of course he was going to put his imprint on it

1145
00:51:39,337 --> 00:51:42,444
and we really worked
well together.

1146
00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:46,068
I mean we were really, you're so busy doing the thing

1147
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:47,966
that you don't really have time for a lot of discussion.

1148
00:51:48,001 --> 00:51:49,175
You know.

1149
00:51:49,209 --> 00:51:51,142
He would say, "I'm
gonna do this."

1150
00:51:51,177 --> 00:51:52,557
I'd be like, fine
that looks good to me.

1151
00:51:52,592 --> 00:51:54,180
You know, so we weren't,

1152
00:51:55,319 --> 00:51:57,148
there was never any
conflict at all.

1153
00:51:57,183 --> 00:51:59,323
- [Narrator] Larry and Bryan thought they planned

1154
00:51:59,357 --> 00:52:00,910
the perfect bachelor party.

1155
00:52:00,945 --> 00:52:03,189
They took care of the booze.

1156
00:52:03,223 --> 00:52:05,467
They took care of the boss.

1157
00:52:05,501 --> 00:52:06,709
- Yes.

1158
00:52:06,744 --> 00:52:08,090
- [Narrator] They took
care of the girls.

1159
00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,505
- Women, women.

1160
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:11,197
Women, women.

1161
00:52:11,231 --> 00:52:13,682
Women, women, women, women!

1162
00:52:13,716 --> 00:52:15,925
- [Narrator] They took care of the entertainment.

1163
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,410
- We're here to party.

1164
00:52:17,444 --> 00:52:19,412
- [Narrator] They even took care of the nightwatchmen.

1165
00:52:19,446 --> 00:52:22,622
The only thing they didn't take care of was him.

1166
00:52:22,656 --> 00:52:26,557
- You boys wouldn't be planning anything illegal?

1167
00:52:26,591 --> 00:52:29,249
- [Narrator] Now they've
got an uninvited guest.

1168
00:52:29,284 --> 00:52:30,802
- [Man] They're just
having some fun.

1169
00:52:30,837 --> 00:52:32,114
- Fun, fun?

1170
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:34,599
Until someone loses an eye.

1171
00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:37,740
- Very wildly creative,
wildly creative

1172
00:52:37,775 --> 00:52:39,570
and it shows as you
watch the film now,

1173
00:52:39,604 --> 00:52:41,503
you see how he's
Dutching his angles,

1174
00:52:41,537 --> 00:52:42,745
and he's moving the camera

1175
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:46,232
and there's a lot of
inventive camera work

1176
00:52:46,266 --> 00:52:50,374
by Adam Kane who is a
great cinematographer,

1177
00:52:50,408 --> 00:52:51,858
was the shooter on that.

1178
00:52:51,892 --> 00:52:55,620
So our thing was always I would come up to him and say,

1179
00:52:55,655 --> 00:52:56,828
is it spooky?

1180
00:52:56,863 --> 00:52:59,141
And he would go,
"It's very spooky."

1181
00:52:59,176 --> 00:53:01,247
And so then we would
shoot the scene.

1182
00:53:01,281 --> 00:53:03,421
- [Narrator] Psycho Cop II.

1183
00:53:03,456 --> 00:53:07,943
- You know, I'm beginning to suspect foreplay.

1184
00:53:07,977 --> 00:53:09,600
- It's not what it looks like.

1185
00:53:09,634 --> 00:53:11,326
- You're drunk and disorderly.

1186
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,879
- Well hello there, officer.

1187
00:53:12,913 --> 00:53:15,709
[gunshot]
[screaming]

1188
00:53:15,744 --> 00:53:16,848
- You're under arrest.

1189
00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:21,439
You have the right
to remain dead.

1190
00:53:22,578 --> 00:53:23,821
- There's something
really wrong.

1191
00:53:23,855 --> 00:53:26,410
- Anything you say can
and will be considered

1192
00:53:26,444 --> 00:53:29,413
extremely strange
because you're dead.

1193
00:53:29,447 --> 00:53:31,967
[screaming]

1194
00:53:32,001 --> 00:53:33,658
You have the right
to an attorney.

1195
00:53:33,693 --> 00:53:35,142
[screaming]

1196
00:53:35,177 --> 00:53:36,592
- Why aren't they dressed?

1197
00:53:36,627 --> 00:53:38,111
- They're dressed, they're just dressed scantily.

1198
00:53:38,145 --> 00:53:41,459
- So maybe I should just let you go with a warning.

1199
00:53:41,494 --> 00:53:43,427
[screaming]

1200
00:53:43,461 --> 00:53:45,636
- Let's get the
hell out of here.

1201
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:47,776
- Everything okay up here?

1202
00:53:47,810 --> 00:53:49,226
[screaming]

1203
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:52,436
Suspect is blonde and considered extremely stupid.

1204
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:53,954
You understand these rights?

1205
00:53:53,989 --> 00:53:55,542
[gunshot]

1206
00:53:55,577 --> 00:53:56,888
- [Narrator] Miles David Dougal

1207
00:53:56,923 --> 00:53:58,614
as the hapless yuppie nerd.

1208
00:54:01,272 --> 00:54:04,102
Roderick Darin as the
life of the party.

1209
00:54:04,137 --> 00:54:07,416
1993 Penthouse Pet of
the year, Julie Strain,

1210
00:54:07,451 --> 00:54:10,557
as the bombshell in
bikini leather chaps.

1211
00:54:10,592 --> 00:54:14,216
Barbara Alexander as ace
accountant Sharon Wells,

1212
00:54:14,251 --> 00:54:18,289
and Bobby Ray Shafer as mister law enforcement himself.

1213
00:54:18,324 --> 00:54:20,222
- Police officer Joe Vickers.

1214
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:24,916
- Adam recruited all
of these local alcohol,

1215
00:54:24,951 --> 00:54:29,680
you know drunks, I mean street people to be in the movie

1216
00:54:29,714 --> 00:54:33,891
and so we were filming
the clubbing scene

1217
00:54:33,925 --> 00:54:35,720
and there was one guy.

1218
00:54:35,755 --> 00:54:37,204
I could smell him.

1219
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,174
You know he smelled like alcohol and vomit and thrash

1220
00:54:41,208 --> 00:54:43,763
and he's not
pulling the punches.

1221
00:54:43,797 --> 00:54:47,732
He's just wailing away with his plastic whiffle ball bat.

1222
00:54:47,767 --> 00:54:49,389
I mean, really really
hitting me hard.

1223
00:54:49,424 --> 00:54:50,494
You know, finally
I grabbed the bat,

1224
00:54:50,528 --> 00:54:52,289
I'm like, Adam, who is this?

1225
00:54:52,323 --> 00:54:55,844
And he goes, "He
looks great, Bobby."

1226
00:54:55,878 --> 00:54:58,536
So I was like, get him
the hell out of here.

1227
00:54:58,571 --> 00:55:00,400
He doesn't know what he's doing.

1228
00:55:00,435 --> 00:55:01,677
He's hitting me.

1229
00:55:01,712 --> 00:55:04,162
So we had to film it again.

1230
00:55:04,197 --> 00:55:06,751
I don't know why that
footage didn't work

1231
00:55:08,201 --> 00:55:09,996
but then later we shot it outside of a strip club

1232
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:13,413
in the valley and you know it's a pretty famous scene

1233
00:55:13,448 --> 00:55:15,242
because of the
Rodney King parallel.

1234
00:55:15,277 --> 00:55:17,244
That was what
happening right then

1235
00:55:17,279 --> 00:55:22,008
and really Adam Rifkin
does his cameo there

1236
00:55:22,042 --> 00:55:24,700
where he shows up as the neighbor with the video camera

1237
00:55:24,735 --> 00:55:26,806
and realizes, it's
gold, it's gold,

1238
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,395
and starts filming
the beat down, right.

1239
00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:33,157
So I think that scene
was really constructed

1240
00:55:33,191 --> 00:55:36,471
and re shot again so Adam could get his cameo in there.

1241
00:55:36,505 --> 00:55:38,335
But I can't be sure about that.

1242
00:55:38,369 --> 00:55:42,097
- So back at that time my shop was in North Hollywood

1243
00:55:42,131 --> 00:55:45,411
on Lankershim Boulevard and that area was kind of right

1244
00:55:45,445 --> 00:55:49,380
in the center of the
makeup effects area.

1245
00:55:50,588 --> 00:55:51,762
Right across the street,

1246
00:55:51,796 --> 00:55:53,073
like literally
across the street,

1247
00:55:53,108 --> 00:55:54,696
was Don Post Studios.

1248
00:55:56,111 --> 00:56:00,529
Maybe a mile down the road was Makeup Effects Lab

1249
00:56:01,358 --> 00:56:02,738
and John Buechler.

1250
00:56:04,844 --> 00:56:06,328
Who else was around there?

1251
00:56:08,986 --> 00:56:11,091
Rick Baker's shop
wasn't too far away.

1252
00:56:11,126 --> 00:56:14,232
There was a lot of stuff going on right in that area

1253
00:56:14,267 --> 00:56:16,856
and right next
door to me was the,

1254
00:56:18,029 --> 00:56:20,411
a studio that they used,
a stage that they used

1255
00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:22,413
to film IMAX stuff on.

1256
00:56:22,448 --> 00:56:24,346
So I met a lot of guys.

1257
00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:25,830
It was mostly
cameramen and stuff.

1258
00:56:25,865 --> 00:56:30,041
They used it for setting uptheir cameras and testing things

1259
00:56:30,076 --> 00:56:34,218
and I met a cameraman
who was getting ready

1260
00:56:34,252 --> 00:56:35,426
to do this movie.

1261
00:56:35,461 --> 00:56:38,049
He was going to kinda
produce the effects.

1262
00:56:39,465 --> 00:56:42,122
All the effects for this movie called Dolly Dearest

1263
00:56:42,157 --> 00:56:43,814
and we were working on
some different puppets

1264
00:56:43,848 --> 00:56:46,403
for a TV show called Monsters and a few other things

1265
00:56:46,437 --> 00:56:48,612
and he'd come over and take a look at we were doing

1266
00:56:48,646 --> 00:56:52,547
and he asked me if I'd be interested in doing that.

1267
00:56:52,581 --> 00:56:53,927
Which of course, I was.

1268
00:56:53,962 --> 00:56:56,516
That was, Chuckie was
a real big thing then.

1269
00:56:56,551 --> 00:56:58,829
I think maybe one
or two had come out

1270
00:56:58,863 --> 00:57:02,039
and so this was gonna be kinda like Chuckie's girlfriend.

1271
00:57:02,073 --> 00:57:04,731
Lower budget version but
still sounded like it

1272
00:57:04,766 --> 00:57:05,870
was gonna be a lot of fun.

1273
00:57:05,905 --> 00:57:07,769
- This is the doll your daddy's gonna make in Mexico

1274
00:57:07,803 --> 00:57:10,427
and this is factory
we're gonna make her

1275
00:57:10,461 --> 00:57:11,842
and sew her little dresses.

1276
00:57:11,876 --> 00:57:13,050
Isn't she beautiful?

1277
00:57:13,084 --> 00:57:14,707
- [Girl] May I have one, Daddy?

1278
00:57:14,741 --> 00:57:16,640
- [Narrator] From
the moment they met.

1279
00:57:16,674 --> 00:57:18,331
- I'm gonna love her so much.

1280
00:57:18,365 --> 00:57:21,127
- [Narrator] It was a
fairy tale come true.

1281
00:57:21,161 --> 00:57:22,887
- Good night, Dolly.

1282
00:57:22,922 --> 00:57:24,820
- [Woman] Sweet dreams, Dolly.

1283
00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:27,478
- [Narrator] But this is where the fairy tale ends

1284
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:30,067
and the nightmare begins.

1285
00:57:32,414 --> 00:57:33,242
- Dolly?

1286
00:57:35,003 --> 00:57:37,557
- There were makeup effects, creature effects,

1287
00:57:37,592 --> 00:57:39,801
puppet effects, we had a whole bunch of different things,

1288
00:57:39,835 --> 00:57:41,630
working in that movie.

1289
00:57:44,530 --> 00:57:45,565
We actually shot,

1290
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,705
and I kinda
unofficially got to be

1291
00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:50,190
do some second unit directing

1292
00:57:50,225 --> 00:57:52,641
because of the puppets and how we had to shoot it

1293
00:57:52,676 --> 00:57:54,505
and one thing that
was really fun

1294
00:57:54,540 --> 00:57:56,265
is they called me up,

1295
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:58,854
we were already in the process of building the dolls.

1296
00:57:58,889 --> 00:58:00,097
We built several dolls.

1297
00:58:00,131 --> 00:58:02,720
We had a full one
hero puppet doll

1298
00:58:02,755 --> 00:58:06,966
that had a rig that so puppeteers could ride with her

1299
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,519
so she could walk.

1300
00:58:08,554 --> 00:58:10,556
She had a radio controlled head.

1301
00:58:11,695 --> 00:58:13,524
Articulated arms,
legs, the whole deal,

1302
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,871
and that was our
main hero puppet.

1303
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,220
Then we had several, you
know we had a multitude

1304
00:58:20,255 --> 00:58:21,670
of other puppets

1305
00:58:21,705 --> 00:58:24,224
because she starts at as a really like pretty, nice doll,

1306
00:58:24,259 --> 00:58:26,503
that any little girl
would like to have

1307
00:58:26,537 --> 00:58:28,953
and then morphs into
this evil creature.

1308
00:58:28,988 --> 00:58:31,300
So, we had pretty doll,

1309
00:58:31,335 --> 00:58:33,130
we had like the
normal looking dolls

1310
00:58:33,164 --> 00:58:35,339
that eyes could turn
and heads could turn

1311
00:58:35,373 --> 00:58:36,547
and do little things

1312
00:58:36,582 --> 00:58:39,895
and insert hands
for grabbing things

1313
00:58:39,930 --> 00:58:42,208
and you know a whole

1314
00:58:42,242 --> 00:58:43,520
bunch of stuff like that.

1315
00:58:46,212 --> 00:58:48,455
So and a lot of
that stuff we did

1316
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:50,009
we shot in second unit.

1317
00:58:50,043 --> 00:58:51,286
So I got a call saying,

1318
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,425
hey you know we got our stage

1319
00:58:52,459 --> 00:58:53,944
where we're gonna be filming

1320
00:58:53,978 --> 00:58:57,085
and I said, okay where is it?

1321
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:58,051
And they gave me the address

1322
00:58:58,086 --> 00:58:59,328
and it was on Lankershim,

1323
00:58:59,363 --> 00:59:01,158
and I went, oh that
numbers really close

1324
00:59:01,192 --> 00:59:03,332
and I looked, literally
looked out the window

1325
00:59:03,367 --> 00:59:06,197
and they were across
the street from us.

1326
00:59:06,232 --> 00:59:07,440
So it couldn't have
been any better.

1327
00:59:07,474 --> 00:59:09,753
That was just kind of
random happenstance.

1328
00:59:09,787 --> 00:59:13,653
So we just, we could literally walk across the street

1329
00:59:13,688 --> 00:59:16,069
and take stuff back
and forth from the shop

1330
00:59:16,104 --> 00:59:17,968
and it was really convenient

1331
00:59:19,107 --> 00:59:23,111
and we shot a lot of
the insert stuff there.

1332
00:59:23,145 --> 00:59:24,906
We shot a lot of
stuff in the location.

1333
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:27,909
There was a house in Covina, I believe it was,

1334
00:59:27,943 --> 00:59:28,772
that we shot at

1335
00:59:31,464 --> 00:59:35,192
but a lot of the stuff
where it was gonna

1336
00:59:35,226 --> 00:59:39,368
be more intricate and
we had some sets built

1337
00:59:39,403 --> 00:59:40,956
in this soundstage
across the street.

1338
00:59:40,991 --> 00:59:45,512
It was really a warehouse, converted into a soundstage

1339
00:59:45,547 --> 00:59:47,929
and we shot quite a lot of stuff

1340
00:59:47,963 --> 00:59:50,759
and then at the end of the movie

1341
00:59:50,794 --> 00:59:52,692
I mean after we wrapped,

1342
00:59:52,727 --> 00:59:54,901
while we were getting into post,

1343
00:59:54,936 --> 00:59:59,285
the guys that hired me,
who were the producers

1344
00:59:59,319 --> 01:00:03,082
of the effects,
got into, I guess

1345
01:00:04,255 --> 01:00:08,743
a bit of an issue
about additional funds

1346
01:00:08,777 --> 01:00:10,814
and they thought
they did more work

1347
01:00:10,848 --> 01:00:12,056
than they got paid for

1348
01:00:12,091 --> 01:00:14,680
and it kinda got all
into a legal thing

1349
01:00:14,714 --> 01:00:17,165
and a lot of the
stuff that we filmed

1350
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:19,029
ultimately didn't
make it into the movie

1351
01:00:19,063 --> 01:00:21,272
because it was tied up
into this legal thing

1352
01:00:22,998 --> 01:00:24,759
and which never got,
I don't know whatever

1353
01:00:24,793 --> 01:00:26,174
happened with it, to
be honest with you

1354
01:00:26,208 --> 01:00:29,626
but it certainly,
it wasn't resolved

1355
01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:31,558
before they had
released the movie.

1356
01:00:31,593 --> 01:00:33,112
So there was quite
a bit of stuff

1357
01:00:33,146 --> 01:00:35,942
that never even made
it into the film,

1358
01:00:35,977 --> 01:00:37,875
which was pretty sad for us.

1359
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:39,428
We did all that work

1360
01:00:39,463 --> 01:00:41,603
but it was a lot of fun.

1361
01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:44,537
Denise Crosby was in the film.

1362
01:00:44,571 --> 01:00:49,576
Sam Bottoms who was her husband

1363
01:00:50,612 --> 01:00:52,821
and Rip Torn who was this,

1364
01:00:52,856 --> 01:00:55,859
kinda, he was an archeologist.

1365
01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:59,725
He was the guy that
released the demon soul

1366
01:00:59,759 --> 01:01:01,209
that inhabited the doll.

1367
01:01:01,243 --> 01:01:03,694
[eerie music]

1368
01:01:05,075 --> 01:01:06,041
[screaming]

1369
01:01:06,076 --> 01:01:08,216
[tense eerie music]

1370
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:10,563
[screaming]

1371
01:01:20,538 --> 01:01:21,367
- No, no!

1372
01:01:24,508 --> 01:01:26,165
- It's time to play.

1373
01:01:29,375 --> 01:01:31,480
- Play with this, bitch.

1374
01:01:31,515 --> 01:01:34,414
[explosion]

1375
01:01:34,449 --> 01:01:36,727
- [Narrator] Dolly Dearest.

1376
01:01:36,762 --> 01:01:38,695
- Yeah, you know it's
been like 30 years

1377
01:01:39,765 --> 01:01:42,457
since I did Dolly Dearest

1378
01:01:42,491 --> 01:01:45,046
and I just constantly feel like,

1379
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,357
you know, that she's around.

1380
01:01:46,392 --> 01:01:48,394
She's lurking
around all the time.

1381
01:01:48,428 --> 01:01:51,915
It's weird, weird feeling.

1382
01:01:51,949 --> 01:01:53,571
Huh?

1383
01:01:53,606 --> 01:01:55,263
She's behind me now, isn't she?

1384
01:01:55,297 --> 01:01:56,713
I bet you she's...

1385
01:01:56,747 --> 01:01:58,956
[roaring scream]

1386
01:01:58,991 --> 01:01:59,923
- [Woman] Here we go.

1387
01:01:59,957 --> 01:02:01,269
- [Narrator] In this small town.

1388
01:02:01,303 --> 01:02:02,546
- [Woman] Check this guy out.

1389
01:02:02,580 --> 01:02:04,065
- [Narrator] On
this quiet street.

1390
01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:06,308
- Now, we can talk
to him one on one.

1391
01:02:06,343 --> 01:02:07,896
- [Narrator] An unspeakable evil

1392
01:02:07,931 --> 01:02:09,346
is stalking the net.

1393
01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:11,210
- What kind of name
is Captain Howdy?

1394
01:02:11,244 --> 01:02:16,180
- Strangeland was a cool and fun project to work on.

1395
01:02:17,664 --> 01:02:21,358
I had been, I actually was in a Twisted Sister video

1396
01:02:22,773 --> 01:02:25,396
several years earlier called Be Cruel to your School.

1397
01:02:25,431 --> 01:02:26,984
So when I got called in,

1398
01:02:27,019 --> 01:02:29,607
I don't think I knew it
was a Dee Snider film.

1399
01:02:30,885 --> 01:02:32,541
I don't remember knowing that

1400
01:02:32,576 --> 01:02:34,198
but coming in and seeing Dee

1401
01:02:34,233 --> 01:02:37,201
and I think he remembered me from Be Cruel to your School

1402
01:02:37,236 --> 01:02:41,965
and so we had a good rapport already, right off the bat.

1403
01:02:44,484 --> 01:02:47,591
I really liked the concept of what he was doing.

1404
01:02:47,625 --> 01:02:48,799
It was pretty new at the time

1405
01:02:48,834 --> 01:02:50,801
because the internet
was kind of new

1406
01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:55,564
and that kind of
messaging and stuff,

1407
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,946
which is now, everybody
does on their phone,

1408
01:02:57,981 --> 01:02:59,120
that was kind of new.

1409
01:02:59,154 --> 01:03:01,950
So it was a pretty
cool, innovative concept

1410
01:03:01,985 --> 01:03:06,127
and it was a, to do those kind of prosthetics on him

1411
01:03:06,161 --> 01:03:09,820
to make all those piercings and tattoos and everything

1412
01:03:09,855 --> 01:03:12,754
was challenging
because it had to,

1413
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:16,033
it was very thin and had
to look real on his skin

1414
01:03:16,068 --> 01:03:18,656
and then a really cool effect we got to sew peoples mouth.

1415
01:03:18,691 --> 01:03:20,037
I got to work with
Robert Englund.

1416
01:03:20,072 --> 01:03:22,039
I had worked with him
a few times before

1417
01:03:22,074 --> 01:03:23,489
but I think that
was the first time

1418
01:03:23,523 --> 01:03:25,249
I actually applied
makeup to him.

1419
01:03:25,284 --> 01:03:27,355
So that was fun, I got
to sew his mouth shut

1420
01:03:27,389 --> 01:03:31,324
and overall it was
a really fun film

1421
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:32,532
and Dee's a really cool guy.

1422
01:03:32,567 --> 01:03:34,983
I've stayed friends
with him since.

1423
01:03:35,018 --> 01:03:38,124
Would love to see a sequel one of these days.

1424
01:03:40,057 --> 01:03:43,336
- Pain is a uniquely
personal experience.

1425
01:03:43,371 --> 01:03:45,752
- Oh god, please don't
let this be happening.

1426
01:03:45,787 --> 01:03:47,064
- [Howdy] My badges are forever.

1427
01:03:47,099 --> 01:03:48,755
- My badge represents the law.

1428
01:03:49,895 --> 01:03:52,794
[siren wailing]

1429
01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:53,622
[gunshot]

1430
01:03:53,657 --> 01:03:55,348
[rock music]

1431
01:03:55,383 --> 01:03:57,316
- I'll kill him.

1432
01:03:57,350 --> 01:03:58,351
- Trust me.

1433
01:03:58,386 --> 01:03:59,870
[screaming]

1434
01:03:59,905 --> 01:04:01,044
That's better.

1435
01:04:01,078 --> 01:04:02,321
- You always remember
your first film.

1436
01:04:02,355 --> 01:04:04,495
I'd done, before the
film, in high school

1437
01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:07,395
I'd done two shot
on video, you know,

1438
01:04:07,429 --> 01:04:09,949
straight to video,
never released,

1439
01:04:09,984 --> 01:04:11,192
until actually now.

1440
01:04:11,226 --> 01:04:12,883
The Vinegar Syndrome
released Murder Winter

1441
01:04:12,918 --> 01:04:16,024
which I did as a
senior in the 80s.

1442
01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:17,992
But it was my first
professional film.

1443
01:04:18,026 --> 01:04:20,684
In a way it was very easy because I actually had a crew

1444
01:04:20,718 --> 01:04:22,099
and a cast that wanted
to make the film

1445
01:04:22,134 --> 01:04:23,756
versus just friends
fooling around

1446
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:25,931
and I was doing everything on those little movies

1447
01:04:25,965 --> 01:04:28,485
so I finally had
support on the film.

1448
01:04:29,866 --> 01:04:31,695
I was, I think, the youngest person on the set

1449
01:04:31,729 --> 01:04:34,008
and the lead actor, who I went to high school with,

1450
01:04:34,042 --> 01:04:35,699
Craig Peck, we were both
like 20 at the time.

1451
01:04:35,733 --> 01:04:36,942
Everybody else was older.

1452
01:04:38,288 --> 01:04:40,083
But I planned it out.

1453
01:04:40,117 --> 01:04:41,739
I did a shot list,
I was prepared

1454
01:04:41,774 --> 01:04:44,121
and everybody, you
know, understood

1455
01:04:44,156 --> 01:04:45,364
that I knew what I was doing

1456
01:04:45,398 --> 01:04:47,090
'cause my father was
producing the film

1457
01:04:47,124 --> 01:04:49,644
but they could see that
I was making the movie

1458
01:04:49,678 --> 01:04:52,267
and I had a very strong vision on what the film should be.

1459
01:04:52,302 --> 01:04:53,337
- This place is great.

1460
01:04:53,372 --> 01:04:55,961
- Where's the bedrooms?

1461
01:04:55,995 --> 01:04:57,238
- Why don't I take a nice stroll

1462
01:04:57,272 --> 01:04:58,791
down that dirt path into
the woods late tonight,

1463
01:04:58,825 --> 01:05:00,275
all by myself?

1464
01:05:00,310 --> 01:05:01,898
- Oh, I think I stepped on something. [screaming]

1465
01:05:01,932 --> 01:05:03,589
- And afterwards I can go skinny dipping in the pond.

1466
01:05:03,623 --> 01:05:04,866
- I don't see anything.

1467
01:05:04,901 --> 01:05:05,936
It was probably nothing.

1468
01:05:05,971 --> 01:05:07,213
- There is something out there.

1469
01:05:07,248 --> 01:05:08,456
Don't forget, I've rented out

1470
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:10,354
every single horror
film on videotape.

1471
01:05:10,389 --> 01:05:11,942
- He's driving me crazy.

1472
01:05:11,977 --> 01:05:13,944
- [Narrator] There's
no need to worry.

1473
01:05:13,979 --> 01:05:15,118
- What are we
talking about here?

1474
01:05:15,152 --> 01:05:17,051
Those things pop
out of your stomach

1475
01:05:17,085 --> 01:05:18,190
when you least expect it?

1476
01:05:18,224 --> 01:05:19,122
- Yes, that's it.

1477
01:05:19,156 --> 01:05:20,364
You've seen some movies, too.

1478
01:05:20,399 --> 01:05:21,710
- [Narrator] There
is no need to fear.

1479
01:05:21,745 --> 01:05:24,541
- There's nothing out there.

1480
01:05:24,575 --> 01:05:26,163
- [Woman] That's where the rest of the chicken was.

1481
01:05:26,198 --> 01:05:27,544
- Yeah, no more dinner for me.

1482
01:05:27,578 --> 01:05:28,786
- That's insane.

1483
01:05:28,821 --> 01:05:30,167
- [Narrator] There's
nothing out there.

1484
01:05:30,202 --> 01:05:32,307
[screaming]

1485
01:05:32,342 --> 01:05:33,136
- Did you hear something?

1486
01:05:33,170 --> 01:05:35,517
[screaming]

1487
01:05:37,312 --> 01:05:38,658
Now, I know I heard something.

1488
01:05:38,693 --> 01:05:39,832
- In the opening of the movie

1489
01:05:39,866 --> 01:05:43,215
there's a stunt where the girl,

1490
01:05:43,249 --> 01:05:44,941
there's a scene
in the video store

1491
01:05:44,975 --> 01:05:48,979
which, that was actually added,that was not in the original
version of the script.

1492
01:05:49,014 --> 01:05:49,946
The video store opening.

1493
01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:52,431
I had seen Lethal Weapon Two

1494
01:05:52,465 --> 01:05:54,364
and I loved the fact
that they began the film

1495
01:05:54,398 --> 01:05:55,572
in the middle of a car chase

1496
01:05:55,606 --> 01:05:56,780
and I thought it
would be really fun

1497
01:05:56,814 --> 01:05:58,333
to start the film in
the middle of something.

1498
01:05:58,368 --> 01:05:59,817
So we start in the video store

1499
01:05:59,852 --> 01:06:01,026
and we found a real video store

1500
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:03,200
and we shot in Pacific
Palisades, New York

1501
01:06:03,235 --> 01:06:04,719
and there was a real store

1502
01:06:04,753 --> 01:06:05,962
that the guy let us use

1503
01:06:05,996 --> 01:06:07,549
and those were all the
video boxes in there

1504
01:06:07,584 --> 01:06:09,068
and I though it be
great to have kind

1505
01:06:09,103 --> 01:06:10,897
of this nightmare sequence where she's being stalked

1506
01:06:10,932 --> 01:06:13,383
by somebody, something and all the video boxes are there

1507
01:06:13,417 --> 01:06:15,109
and don't show the titles,

1508
01:06:15,143 --> 01:06:16,455
so everyone who's
a fan can be like,

1509
01:06:16,489 --> 01:06:18,250
I know that movie, that movie, you recognize all the titles

1510
01:06:18,284 --> 01:06:19,596
and then she wakes up in her car

1511
01:06:19,630 --> 01:06:21,701
and then drives off the
road with a big stunt

1512
01:06:21,736 --> 01:06:22,771
and then gets attacked
by the creature.

1513
01:06:22,806 --> 01:06:24,394
So it had like a double opening.

1514
01:06:25,222 --> 01:06:26,361
The car jump,

1515
01:06:26,396 --> 01:06:28,122
we had a stunt
driver who did that.

1516
01:06:28,156 --> 01:06:29,330
We built the ramp
and everything.

1517
01:06:29,364 --> 01:06:30,710
It was like a park, I think,

1518
01:06:30,745 --> 01:06:33,955
and there was a
bet about how far

1519
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:35,543
the car was gonna go

1520
01:06:35,577 --> 01:06:38,580
and of course the
winner was the driver

1521
01:06:38,615 --> 01:06:40,272
who wound up hitting the ramp

1522
01:06:40,306 --> 01:06:42,308
going like 45 miles
an hour versus 30

1523
01:06:42,343 --> 01:06:43,896
and landed on the camera.

1524
01:06:43,930 --> 01:06:44,966
Pulled the plug just before

1525
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:46,588
but you can see the
shot of it coming in.

1526
01:06:46,623 --> 01:06:48,280
So that was like, oh that was an expensive little stunt

1527
01:06:48,314 --> 01:06:49,729
but looks great on the film.

1528
01:06:49,764 --> 01:06:52,249
This is one of the original,

1529
01:06:52,284 --> 01:06:54,424
I think they only did two or three of these creatures.

1530
01:06:54,458 --> 01:06:56,529
We destroyed most of
them in the movie.

1531
01:06:56,564 --> 01:06:58,048
One had a little animatronics,

1532
01:06:59,118 --> 01:07:02,259
so it breathed a
little bit and the eyes

1533
01:07:02,294 --> 01:07:03,812
kind of blinked a little bit.

1534
01:07:04,986 --> 01:07:07,851
But this was pretty much
our creature that we,

1535
01:07:07,885 --> 01:07:12,580
in the movie, in the finale of the film, especially,

1536
01:07:12,614 --> 01:07:14,754
when it's roaming
through the house,

1537
01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:17,930
we put it on a
remote control truck

1538
01:07:17,964 --> 01:07:20,208
and drove it around with the camera on the Steadicam

1539
01:07:20,243 --> 01:07:22,003
following it from
in front and behind

1540
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:24,212
and that's how we got it moving through the floors.

1541
01:07:24,247 --> 01:07:26,180
There was a little bit of puppeteering work being done

1542
01:07:26,214 --> 01:07:28,251
with the creature
for some of that,

1543
01:07:28,285 --> 01:07:30,839
when it's kind of doing
this and moving around.

1544
01:07:30,874 --> 01:07:33,739
But the tentacles, green slime,

1545
01:07:33,773 --> 01:07:37,018
and yeah this was all
created by Scott Hart

1546
01:07:37,053 --> 01:07:38,951
of Imageffects Studio back in 89

1547
01:07:40,297 --> 01:07:44,094
and it's made a few
appearance on tape

1548
01:07:44,129 --> 01:07:46,614
but hasn't been seen too often

1549
01:07:46,648 --> 01:07:48,202
and it's amazing that
it still holds up

1550
01:07:48,236 --> 01:07:49,479
as well as it does.

1551
01:07:49,513 --> 01:07:51,584
There was a longer tail.
I do have the tail
end of the part

1552
01:07:51,619 --> 01:07:53,862
but the tail did
eventually fall off
'cause it's, you know.

1553
01:07:53,897 --> 01:07:56,313
But this was kind of one
of our stunt creatures

1554
01:07:56,348 --> 01:07:58,177
that was sort of
salvaged in the movie

1555
01:07:58,212 --> 01:08:01,353
'cause we burnt one up
in the stove at the end.

1556
01:08:01,387 --> 01:08:02,285
[laughs]

1557
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:03,700
They took a lot of abuse.

1558
01:08:03,734 --> 01:08:06,082
[screaming]

1559
01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:09,188
- It's as if his brain
has been sucked dry.

1560
01:08:09,223 --> 01:08:12,950
[tense classical music]

1561
01:08:12,985 --> 01:08:14,090
- I say we set a trap.

1562
01:08:17,714 --> 01:08:19,474
The lights, hit it
with your lights.

1563
01:08:19,509 --> 01:08:22,857
[tense classical music]

1564
01:08:27,724 --> 01:08:29,105
- [Narrator] The Killer Eye.

1565
01:08:30,244 --> 01:08:32,418
- David DeCoteau I
had known for awhile.

1566
01:08:32,453 --> 01:08:33,902
Very nice guy, really friendly,

1567
01:08:33,937 --> 01:08:35,456
gave me a lot of advice
on certain things,

1568
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:37,285
when I was shooting
some of these quickie,

1569
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:38,907
six day erotic movies.

1570
01:08:38,942 --> 01:08:41,393
'Cause he's the master of speed.

1571
01:08:41,427 --> 01:08:43,498
It's amazing what he can do.

1572
01:08:43,533 --> 01:08:45,155
Nobody can do what Dave does.

1573
01:08:45,190 --> 01:08:48,193
So he was gonna do this movie called The Killer Eye

1574
01:08:48,227 --> 01:08:49,918
which was written
by Benjamin Carr,

1575
01:08:49,953 --> 01:08:52,749
AKA, you know who
he is probably.

1576
01:08:54,371 --> 01:08:56,408
DeCoteau really didn't
want to do the movie

1577
01:08:56,442 --> 01:08:57,892
and he didn't like the script.

1578
01:08:57,926 --> 01:08:59,307
So what he wanted to do

1579
01:08:59,342 --> 01:09:01,344
was bring me in to do
a rewrite on the script

1580
01:09:01,378 --> 01:09:02,828
and then hopefully
convince Charlie Band

1581
01:09:02,862 --> 01:09:04,416
to let me direct the film.

1582
01:09:04,450 --> 01:09:08,109
So I read the script
and I was actually

1583
01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:09,352
the only one who didn't hate it.

1584
01:09:09,386 --> 01:09:12,424
I was like, okay it's
about a giant eyeball

1585
01:09:12,458 --> 01:09:14,184
that's trying to
have sex with women.

1586
01:09:14,219 --> 01:09:16,635
That's different, you know,

1587
01:09:16,669 --> 01:09:19,189
so I thought it could
be a lot of fun.

1588
01:09:19,224 --> 01:09:22,330
So I wrote an ambitious
little script.

1589
01:09:22,365 --> 01:09:24,021
As I said, if I had directed it,

1590
01:09:24,056 --> 01:09:26,576
the only thing that would
have made it like even perfect
was if it was a musical.

1591
01:09:26,610 --> 01:09:28,371
Was about a singing, killer eyeball would have been,

1592
01:09:28,405 --> 01:09:33,410
I said it should be like Tremors meets Re-animator,

1593
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:35,412
or whatever it is.

1594
01:09:35,447 --> 01:09:37,000
I mean that was what the
vibe should have been.

1595
01:09:37,034 --> 01:09:40,037
So I wrote the script, DeCoteau thought it was great

1596
01:09:40,072 --> 01:09:43,627
but he couldn't convince Charlieto let me direct the film

1597
01:09:43,662 --> 01:09:45,077
at the point.

1598
01:09:45,111 --> 01:09:47,493
So he brought in
Matthew Jason Walsh

1599
01:09:47,528 --> 01:09:51,359
to do a toned down
version of my script

1600
01:09:51,394 --> 01:09:54,535
and make it doable that he could shoot in four days

1601
01:09:54,569 --> 01:09:56,813
and that's what he wound up shooting on the film there.

1602
01:09:56,847 --> 01:09:59,436
[storm raging]

1603
01:10:02,094 --> 01:10:04,959
- Bolted doors and
windows barred.

1604
01:10:07,617 --> 01:10:10,792
Guard dogs prowling in the yard.

1605
01:10:13,933 --> 01:10:15,970
Won't protect you in your bed.

1606
01:10:17,696 --> 01:10:18,593
[screams]

1607
01:10:18,628 --> 01:10:21,872
Nothing will from Pumpkinhead.

1608
01:10:21,907 --> 01:10:24,047
- And in Pumpkinhead
II when I was hired

1609
01:10:24,081 --> 01:10:28,741
to do it was not necessarily a direct to video movie

1610
01:10:28,776 --> 01:10:30,743
even though that
was the ultimate,

1611
01:10:30,778 --> 01:10:33,781
probably the ultimate
probable destination

1612
01:10:33,815 --> 01:10:37,233
but I remember they were
talking when I first,

1613
01:10:37,267 --> 01:10:40,374
the first letter they
sent me with the script

1614
01:10:40,408 --> 01:10:45,171
with like oh, MGM, who
had some involvement

1615
01:10:45,206 --> 01:10:48,347
in the first movie, might want to put this out theatrically

1616
01:10:48,382 --> 01:10:50,280
so we're hoping for
a theatrical release

1617
01:10:50,315 --> 01:10:52,351
but the production
situations were such

1618
01:10:52,386 --> 01:10:55,837
that it pretty much
damned the movie

1619
01:10:55,872 --> 01:10:59,427
to direct to video no matter how, how it turned out

1620
01:11:00,325 --> 01:11:01,602
and that's one of the things

1621
01:11:01,636 --> 01:11:03,673
with direct to video
in the 80s and 90s,

1622
01:11:03,707 --> 01:11:05,778
there certainly was
a budgetary component

1623
01:11:05,813 --> 01:11:08,022
primarily to it.

1624
01:11:08,056 --> 01:11:09,920
There were some
bigger budget movies

1625
01:11:09,955 --> 01:11:11,439
that went direct to video

1626
01:11:11,474 --> 01:11:13,372
but those were certainly
deemed failures

1627
01:11:13,407 --> 01:11:17,756
but in the under a million dollar range movies

1628
01:11:18,929 --> 01:11:20,690
they were almost
all, genre movies,

1629
01:11:20,724 --> 01:11:22,933
they were almost invariably going direct to video.

1630
01:11:22,968 --> 01:11:27,455
So Pumpkinhead II ended up direct to video in America.

1631
01:11:27,490 --> 01:11:31,528
Night of the Scarecrow, a movie I did fairly soon after,

1632
01:11:32,702 --> 01:11:36,084
that was, it was a
very strange project

1633
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:38,673
because it wasn't, it
was right at that cusp,

1634
01:11:38,708 --> 01:11:41,745
it was right pre
Scream where horror

1635
01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:43,126
had really hit a low.

1636
01:11:44,472 --> 01:11:49,477
Certainly theatrically
and it was designed to,

1637
01:11:50,616 --> 01:11:51,997
originally the
script was written

1638
01:11:52,031 --> 01:11:55,345
to be a knockoff of TheNightmare on Elm Street series,

1639
01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:57,485
so the scarecrow was
making wisecracks

1640
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,038
all through it and really being

1641
01:11:59,073 --> 01:12:01,731
kinda a surrogate
Freddy Krueger figure

1642
01:12:01,765 --> 01:12:05,113
and would be able to conjure up

1643
01:12:05,148 --> 01:12:09,635
anything and
everything in his power

1644
01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:11,361
and was written
to be like a five

1645
01:12:11,396 --> 01:12:12,638
or six million dollar movie

1646
01:12:12,673 --> 01:12:15,641
and when Steve White
and Barry Bernardi

1647
01:12:15,676 --> 01:12:17,816
two experienced television,

1648
01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:19,300
primarily at that
time, television

1649
01:12:19,335 --> 01:12:21,889
or direct to video producers,

1650
01:12:23,062 --> 01:12:24,409
got ahold of the project

1651
01:12:24,443 --> 01:12:27,998
they bought it in turn around from Corsair Pictures,

1652
01:12:28,033 --> 01:12:31,554
which was a short lived
theatrical company

1653
01:12:31,588 --> 01:12:33,763
run by Frank Perry,
a very good director

1654
01:12:33,797 --> 01:12:34,798
who did The Swimmer,

1655
01:12:36,006 --> 01:12:38,215
they made a few movie,
Shock to the System,

1656
01:12:38,250 --> 01:12:41,011
a few others, that didn't do anything theatrically

1657
01:12:41,046 --> 01:12:42,323
and then kind of folded

1658
01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:45,499
and then Barry and
Steve bought the script.

1659
01:12:45,533 --> 01:12:48,398
So, I guess they had
attempts to get it made

1660
01:12:48,433 --> 01:12:49,882
and they finally
decided, you know,

1661
01:12:49,917 --> 01:12:51,470
we'll make it at a
much lower budget

1662
01:12:51,505 --> 01:12:53,403
than originally intended

1663
01:12:53,438 --> 01:12:56,958
and they got Republic
Pictures involved

1664
01:12:56,993 --> 01:12:58,788
to help fiance it.

1665
01:12:58,822 --> 01:13:00,237
[tense music]

1666
01:13:00,272 --> 01:13:01,238
- It was an accident,

1667
01:13:01,273 --> 01:13:03,862
what the hell else could it be?

1668
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:07,313
- What if it wasn't an accident?

1669
01:13:07,348 --> 01:13:08,384
[gasps]

1670
01:13:08,418 --> 01:13:10,075
- Geeze, you look like
you just saw a ghost.

1671
01:13:10,109 --> 01:13:12,008
- It's like they're protecting some nasty little secret

1672
01:13:12,042 --> 01:13:13,319
but nobody knows what it is.

1673
01:13:13,354 --> 01:13:15,977
- [Man] This is hysteria
running out of control.

1674
01:13:16,012 --> 01:13:18,428
- Two, maybe three murders in the last two nights,

1675
01:13:18,463 --> 01:13:20,499
it's not being done
by a man at all.

1676
01:13:21,431 --> 01:13:22,259
- Hey!

1677
01:13:23,675 --> 01:13:26,091
- If we don't guard him they're all gonna be dead.

1678
01:13:26,125 --> 01:13:27,851
- He has come back.

1679
01:13:31,234 --> 01:13:32,511
- Dad?

1680
01:13:32,546 --> 01:13:35,549
- He will become human again.

1681
01:13:36,446 --> 01:13:37,792
- Dad?

1682
01:13:37,827 --> 01:13:40,346
- No one can stop his power.

1683
01:13:40,381 --> 01:13:44,005
[tense dramatic music]

1684
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,387
[explosion]

1685
01:13:47,526 --> 01:13:49,217
- Republic Pictures
was owned by Spelling

1686
01:13:49,252 --> 01:13:51,703
and it was kind of
this weird entity

1687
01:13:51,737 --> 01:13:53,601
where they had done some direct

1688
01:13:53,636 --> 01:13:57,329
to video Amityville
horror movies, sequels,

1689
01:13:57,363 --> 01:14:00,470
and kind of like
reviving the brand

1690
01:14:00,505 --> 01:14:01,782
'cause Republic was a very,

1691
01:14:01,816 --> 01:14:04,750
in the 40s, you know,
30s and 40s and 50s

1692
01:14:04,785 --> 01:14:09,721
a well known studio
that did primarily

1693
01:14:11,654 --> 01:14:14,864
kinda cinema fodder
for the masses.

1694
01:14:14,898 --> 01:14:17,280
- [Narrator] Out of the
darkness of our past.

1695
01:14:18,488 --> 01:14:20,939
Out of the visions
of our childhood.

1696
01:14:22,596 --> 01:14:27,186
Comes the one fear we
thought we left behind.

1697
01:14:27,221 --> 01:14:31,225
The one nightmare we
hoped had gone away.

1698
01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:34,366
But the evil we once invited in

1699
01:14:36,057 --> 01:14:38,474
has found its way back home.

1700
01:14:39,923 --> 01:14:43,444
The Amityville Horror
has a new address.

1701
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:44,480
- No!

1702
01:14:44,514 --> 01:14:47,828
[eerie dramatic music]

1703
01:14:47,862 --> 01:14:49,105
- It's payback time.

1704
01:14:49,139 --> 01:14:50,934
- I think there's a
scene in that movie

1705
01:14:51,625 --> 01:14:55,870
where someone gets
stung on their butt

1706
01:14:55,905 --> 01:14:58,701
by a wasp or something like that

1707
01:14:58,735 --> 01:15:01,427
and it was a girl in the film

1708
01:15:01,462 --> 01:15:04,534
but they made a mold of
my butt [laughs] for it

1709
01:15:04,569 --> 01:15:06,916
for the closeup shot
of the thing being done

1710
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:08,780
and uh [laughing].

1711
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:11,679
I remember that very well.

1712
01:15:11,714 --> 01:15:13,370
Someone made a mold of my butt in the phone booth

1713
01:15:13,405 --> 01:15:16,166
and alginate real quick like,

1714
01:15:16,201 --> 01:15:20,032
and I think there's a giant rat in that movie, too.

1715
01:15:21,206 --> 01:15:23,691
We made a giant rat tail
out of hot pour vinyl

1716
01:15:23,726 --> 01:15:24,968
and it was attached to a chain,

1717
01:15:25,003 --> 01:15:26,452
which is basically
the same material

1718
01:15:26,487 --> 01:15:27,902
that dildoes are made out of.

1719
01:15:27,937 --> 01:15:30,008
But the movie's
pretty inventive.

1720
01:15:30,042 --> 01:15:32,735
It has a lot of really
cool creative ways

1721
01:15:32,769 --> 01:15:36,428
that they came up with to make the haunting new and fresh

1722
01:15:36,462 --> 01:15:39,569
and I think there's
even like a father,

1723
01:15:39,604 --> 01:15:42,814
like a corpse of a father that keeps coming back

1724
01:15:42,848 --> 01:15:46,680
and he decays like more and more throughout the film

1725
01:15:46,714 --> 01:15:48,716
that my boss at the time,

1726
01:15:48,751 --> 01:15:50,718
had built all these different foam prosthetics

1727
01:15:50,753 --> 01:15:53,376
to show the degradation
of his cadaver

1728
01:15:53,410 --> 01:15:54,377
throughout the film.

1729
01:15:54,411 --> 01:15:55,309
[cheery bell music]

1730
01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:56,241
- [Narrator] One cold night,

1731
01:15:56,275 --> 01:15:59,037
science and evil collide.

1732
01:15:59,071 --> 01:16:02,903
[screaming]
[cheery rock music]

1733
01:16:02,937 --> 01:16:04,076
- Oh yeah.

1734
01:16:04,111 --> 01:16:06,458
[screaming]

1735
01:16:09,495 --> 01:16:11,636
[roaring]

1736
01:16:13,603 --> 01:16:15,812
[muffled gunshots]

1737
01:16:15,847 --> 01:16:18,608
- [Narrator] Now, a serial killer is on the loose.

1738
01:16:18,643 --> 01:16:21,507
- We haven't tested
the acid on an amoeba

1739
01:16:21,542 --> 01:16:23,268
let alone a human cell.

1740
01:16:23,302 --> 01:16:25,097
This is a disaster.

1741
01:16:25,132 --> 01:16:26,720
- [Man] Look, I just something that doesn't belong

1742
01:16:26,754 --> 01:16:29,032
in this world and it's out there killing my friends.

1743
01:16:29,067 --> 01:16:30,240
Now tell me what it is.

1744
01:16:31,345 --> 01:16:32,760
- Jack Frost.

1745
01:16:32,795 --> 01:16:34,866
- Screaming Mad
George had been hired

1746
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:37,800
to do all the makeup effects and the snowman costumes

1747
01:16:37,834 --> 01:16:41,217
for that film, which
was a low budget film,

1748
01:16:41,251 --> 01:16:46,222
and his foam
fabricator, I heard,

1749
01:16:46,256 --> 01:16:48,189
he refused to make a snowman.

1750
01:16:48,224 --> 01:16:49,674
He didn't want to
make a snowman.

1751
01:16:49,708 --> 01:16:51,192
That's what I heard.

1752
01:16:51,227 --> 01:16:53,712
I don't think the guy just quit for no good reason.

1753
01:16:53,747 --> 01:16:56,404
His good reason was, I don't want to make a snowman.

1754
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,615
So Mike Deak called
me and he said,

1755
01:16:59,649 --> 01:17:02,445
"Hey, man, can you
help us out on this?"

1756
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:03,860
and I said, sure.

1757
01:17:03,895 --> 01:17:08,900
You know, so we made at least two complete full suits.

1758
01:17:09,659 --> 01:17:10,833
We made upper bodies.

1759
01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:12,420
I think we made puppet heads,

1760
01:17:12,455 --> 01:17:16,770
including ones with
big icicle fangs on it.

1761
01:17:16,804 --> 01:17:20,325
We made a thing for the end where it was supposed

1762
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:23,121
to be melting but melted
back into a human face

1763
01:17:23,155 --> 01:17:26,469
so it was, and for some reason they didn't use that.

1764
01:17:26,503 --> 01:17:28,126
I thought it looked
kind of cool.

1765
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,819
But you know, arms and gags and so forth like that.

1766
01:17:31,854 --> 01:17:33,649
I never went, I went up,

1767
01:17:33,683 --> 01:17:35,374
I think I went to the
Lincoln Heights Jail

1768
01:17:35,409 --> 01:17:39,689
or one of the places they were shooting the prison scenes

1769
01:17:39,724 --> 01:17:44,694
but I never went up to Big Bear,

1770
01:17:45,591 --> 01:17:46,731
wherever they were shooting

1771
01:17:46,765 --> 01:17:48,629
and apparently
they were shooting

1772
01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:53,669
in the most snowless winter of California history,

1773
01:17:55,118 --> 01:17:56,879
at least recent
California history.

1774
01:17:56,913 --> 01:17:58,397
So if you look, you know,

1775
01:17:58,432 --> 01:18:01,400
there's little patches of snow which are actually,

1776
01:18:02,816 --> 01:18:05,370
cotton ground cover things that they would move around

1777
01:18:05,404 --> 01:18:06,647
from shot to shot.

1778
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,167
So, I love the fact
that there's almost

1779
01:18:09,201 --> 01:18:11,825
a completely snowless,
ice free parking lot

1780
01:18:11,859 --> 01:18:13,309
and this is where they're having

1781
01:18:13,343 --> 01:18:15,967
their snowman
building contest, so.

1782
01:18:16,001 --> 01:18:20,074
But anyway, it was an
absolutely silly film

1783
01:18:20,109 --> 01:18:23,353
and it was made for a great first Total Fabrication

1784
01:18:23,388 --> 01:18:26,943
Christmas card, because we had a snowman for god sake

1785
01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:30,740
and also it was also because,

1786
01:18:32,638 --> 01:18:35,745
I remember had
just gotten DirecTV

1787
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,369
and apparently their listings constantly confused

1788
01:18:39,404 --> 01:18:42,787
the Michael Keaton family film by the same title

1789
01:18:42,821 --> 01:18:44,961
with this and I
would switch it on.

1790
01:18:44,996 --> 01:18:49,069
I said, no that's
not the G-rated film.

1791
01:18:49,103 --> 01:18:51,796
Some parents are probably gonna be a bit upset by this.

1792
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:54,937
- [Narrator] It's Christmas time again in Snowmonton

1793
01:18:54,971 --> 01:18:56,973
and they want to get
away from it away.

1794
01:18:57,008 --> 01:19:00,390
- It was exactly a year
ago that it happened.

1795
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,773
- And that's why we should be somewhere else for Christmas.

1796
01:19:03,808 --> 01:19:06,569
[upbeat music]
[cheering]

1797
01:19:06,603 --> 01:19:07,812
- Another beauteous
day in heaven, eh?

1798
01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:09,572
- Welcome to The Tropicana.

1799
01:19:09,606 --> 01:19:11,539
Your last resort
in whole paradise.

1800
01:19:11,574 --> 01:19:13,783
- This is a job for Captain Fun!

1801
01:19:15,302 --> 01:19:16,648
♪ Jingle bells jingle bells

1802
01:19:16,682 --> 01:19:18,995
- [Narrator] But there's
trouble in paradise.

1803
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:20,445
- Everybody's dead!

1804
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:22,378
- Oh no, not the scary dude.

1805
01:19:22,412 --> 01:19:24,380
- Scary dude's already here.

1806
01:19:24,414 --> 01:19:25,622
- Let's see, Jack Frost 2

1807
01:19:25,657 --> 01:19:28,833
I worked on set for
a couple of days.

1808
01:19:28,867 --> 01:19:31,007
It was shot here in
the San Fernando Valley

1809
01:19:31,042 --> 01:19:33,803
in the middle of summer
and the whole thing

1810
01:19:33,838 --> 01:19:35,425
takes place in the winter

1811
01:19:35,460 --> 01:19:39,636
and it was shot at a,
like a ranch up in,

1812
01:19:41,121 --> 01:19:42,605
I want to say Nordhoff,

1813
01:19:44,331 --> 01:19:45,815
Northridge, Northridge maybe?

1814
01:19:45,850 --> 01:19:49,646
And uh, the entire, all the,

1815
01:19:49,681 --> 01:19:51,959
most people don't know but all the snow in that movie

1816
01:19:51,994 --> 01:19:55,411
was soap and they
had these machines

1817
01:19:55,445 --> 01:19:57,965
that they would make
like all this sudsy soap

1818
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,830
allover the place and it was shot in the middle of summer.

1819
01:20:00,865 --> 01:20:02,004
So it was hot.

1820
01:20:02,038 --> 01:20:03,626
There was soap
allover the ground

1821
01:20:03,660 --> 01:20:04,903
and everybody was walking around

1822
01:20:04,938 --> 01:20:07,250
and literally like the
soap was like moldy,

1823
01:20:07,285 --> 01:20:09,874
it was moldy after a week or so

1824
01:20:09,908 --> 01:20:12,669
on the ground with the heat and the water and the moist

1825
01:20:12,704 --> 01:20:15,845
and you know, but it
was pretty inventive.

1826
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:16,881
It looked amazing on camera.

1827
01:20:16,915 --> 01:20:19,159
You would have never known that.

1828
01:20:19,193 --> 01:20:22,887
I just remember coming in for some of the kills,

1829
01:20:22,921 --> 01:20:27,029
helping my boss, at the time, build this giant icicle

1830
01:20:27,063 --> 01:20:29,755
that like impales a
lover, two lovers,

1831
01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:30,687
or something like that

1832
01:20:30,722 --> 01:20:33,414
and puppeteering some of the,

1833
01:20:33,449 --> 01:20:35,451
I think there will killer snowballs, I think.

1834
01:20:35,485 --> 01:20:37,902
Little like gremlin like
killer snowball puppets

1835
01:20:37,936 --> 01:20:41,664
and helping the stunt performer get into the costume

1836
01:20:41,698 --> 01:20:43,942
for the main killer snowman

1837
01:20:43,977 --> 01:20:48,878
and I do remember that they had a giant carrot nose

1838
01:20:50,052 --> 01:20:52,226
that they used to drop
on a miniature ship,

1839
01:20:52,261 --> 01:20:54,332
a miniature boat at
the end of the movie,

1840
01:20:54,366 --> 01:20:55,781
like he was melted,
right, he was snow

1841
01:20:55,816 --> 01:20:58,267
and then a giant carrot
smashes the boat.

1842
01:20:58,301 --> 01:21:00,441
So there was some pretty
and innovative things

1843
01:21:00,476 --> 01:21:01,477
they did for that film.

1844
01:21:01,511 --> 01:21:03,513
- [Narrator] The wrong night.

1845
01:21:03,548 --> 01:21:04,825
- What the hell was that?

1846
01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:06,378
- [Narrator] The wrong road.

1847
01:21:06,413 --> 01:21:08,794
- That son of a bitch
siphoned our tank.

1848
01:21:08,829 --> 01:21:10,762
- [Narrator] One wrong turn.

1849
01:21:10,796 --> 01:21:12,522
- Guys, maybe we should
go back up to the road.

1850
01:21:12,557 --> 01:21:15,663
That way if a car comes then they can call for help.

1851
01:21:15,698 --> 01:21:17,838
- Yeah, right
before they kill us.

1852
01:21:17,873 --> 01:21:20,703
- [Narrator] And four teenagers are about to learn

1853
01:21:20,737 --> 01:21:23,602
that when you tell
too many scary stories

1854
01:21:23,637 --> 01:21:25,846
you just might end up in one.

1855
01:21:25,881 --> 01:21:28,676
[Gimme Shelter by
The Rolling Stones]

1856
01:21:28,711 --> 01:21:31,093
- I see you [mumbles]!

1857
01:21:31,127 --> 01:21:32,266
- Mom, Mom, Mom!

1858
01:21:32,301 --> 01:21:33,267
There's a man under my bed!

1859
01:21:33,302 --> 01:21:34,924
♪ Alive today

1860
01:21:34,959 --> 01:21:39,411
♪ If I don't get no shelter

1861
01:21:39,446 --> 01:21:42,587
♪ Oh yeah I'm gonna fade away

1862
01:21:42,621 --> 01:21:43,864
- No!

1863
01:21:43,899 --> 01:21:46,384
♪ Oh children

1864
01:21:47,764 --> 01:21:49,801
- Get away from me!

1865
01:21:49,835 --> 01:21:51,251
♪ He's just a shot away

1866
01:21:51,285 --> 01:21:54,081
- If they stop me,
you lock your doors

1867
01:21:54,116 --> 01:21:55,565
and wait for sun up.

1868
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,568
♪ He's just a shot away

1869
01:21:58,603 --> 01:22:00,053
- How bizarre was that?

1870
01:22:00,087 --> 01:22:01,640
- [Narrator] Campfire Tales.

1871
01:22:01,675 --> 01:22:04,057
- Lets see, I was brought in on Campfire Tales

1872
01:22:04,091 --> 01:22:07,301
by my special effects
peer, Mark Villalobos

1873
01:22:07,336 --> 01:22:09,165
a that the time, and he's like,

1874
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,718
"Joe, come on with me to set.

1875
01:22:10,753 --> 01:22:13,687
We're gonna do this, we're gonna do this bloody scene,

1876
01:22:13,721 --> 01:22:16,483
bloody sequence" and
I came in for one day

1877
01:22:16,517 --> 01:22:19,900
and it was a scene in
a cabin, I believe,

1878
01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:24,560
that is completely destroyed.

1879
01:22:24,594 --> 01:22:27,080
It looked like a massacre had been taken place inside

1880
01:22:27,114 --> 01:22:30,876
and at the time, the
set was custom built

1881
01:22:30,911 --> 01:22:33,707
by the art department and it was shot on location

1882
01:22:33,741 --> 01:22:36,261
but I believe the
set was built inside

1883
01:22:36,296 --> 01:22:38,919
of another room on location.

1884
01:22:38,954 --> 01:22:41,335
So someone had come in
and literally put a wall

1885
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:43,786
over another wall and
walls over these walls

1886
01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:45,822
and brought in furniture to make it look like a cabin

1887
01:22:45,857 --> 01:22:47,031
and what not.

1888
01:22:47,065 --> 01:22:48,377
I don't know if the
pieces were rented

1889
01:22:48,411 --> 01:22:51,000
or they were built by hand

1890
01:22:51,035 --> 01:22:52,760
but there was this iron stove

1891
01:22:52,795 --> 01:22:54,348
and there was all
kinds of stuff in there

1892
01:22:54,383 --> 01:22:56,557
and the director was like,

1893
01:22:56,592 --> 01:22:59,353
"Okay this scene, I want
to be the bloodiest,

1894
01:22:59,388 --> 01:23:00,941
bloodiest scene ever."

1895
01:23:00,976 --> 01:23:02,805
He's like, put some
blood on the wall.

1896
01:23:02,839 --> 01:23:04,876
So we looked over
at the art director,

1897
01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,119
who had built this beautiful set

1898
01:23:06,153 --> 01:23:07,741
and we're like, we're
gonna put some blood

1899
01:23:07,775 --> 01:23:09,018
over here on the wall

1900
01:23:09,053 --> 01:23:10,882
and she's like, "Okay
but we have to clean it,

1901
01:23:10,916 --> 01:23:12,125
we have to keep it clean,

1902
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,092
I mean I have to shoot
it clean tomorrow."

1903
01:23:14,127 --> 01:23:16,129
And I'm like, okay so we go put some blood on the wall

1904
01:23:16,163 --> 01:23:16,992
and the director's like,

1905
01:23:17,026 --> 01:23:17,923
"No, no, no.

1906
01:23:17,958 --> 01:23:19,132
I need more blood than that.

1907
01:23:19,166 --> 01:23:20,374
I need some blood over here

1908
01:23:20,409 --> 01:23:21,997
and then I need
blood over there."

1909
01:23:22,031 --> 01:23:23,412
So, we literally went,

1910
01:23:23,446 --> 01:23:25,034
I remember we went
back to the car

1911
01:23:25,069 --> 01:23:28,210
to get like another
two gallons of blood

1912
01:23:28,244 --> 01:23:29,418
and we emptied it on the walls

1913
01:23:29,452 --> 01:23:30,626
and the director came
back and he goes,

1914
01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:33,249
"I still see blank spots.

1915
01:23:33,284 --> 01:23:36,218
I need it to be blood
all over the walls."

1916
01:23:36,252 --> 01:23:37,840
And I looked over
at the art director

1917
01:23:37,874 --> 01:23:38,875
and she just like,

1918
01:23:40,049 --> 01:23:43,604
like in the nicest
possible voice,

1919
01:23:43,639 --> 01:23:48,540
all she said was, "But it has to be clean for tomorrow."

1920
01:23:48,575 --> 01:23:50,542
And we went in and filled in the rest of the wall

1921
01:23:50,577 --> 01:23:51,681
and I have a picture.

1922
01:23:51,716 --> 01:23:53,166
It's like my memory from that,

1923
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,376
just a picture we destroyed this beautiful set with blood.

1924
01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:58,067
I have no, I didn't
go back the next day.

1925
01:23:58,102 --> 01:24:00,656
I don't know how they were able to clean that up

1926
01:24:00,690 --> 01:24:03,348
or what happened or
how they shot that.

1927
01:24:03,383 --> 01:24:04,867
So [laughs].

1928
01:24:04,901 --> 01:24:07,387
[eerie music]

1929
01:24:10,735 --> 01:24:14,014
- [Narrator] Welcome
to Hall House.

1930
01:24:14,049 --> 01:24:16,189
- According to the legend, it's not haunted.

1931
01:24:18,846 --> 01:24:20,365
It's possessed.

1932
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,711
A gateway to hell.

1933
01:24:21,746 --> 01:24:23,437
- [Narrator] Where
this Halloween,

1934
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,545
Angela's planning
one hell of a party.

1935
01:24:28,477 --> 01:24:29,685
- Come.

1936
01:24:29,719 --> 01:24:31,411
- [Narrator] A night
filled with tricks

1937
01:24:32,860 --> 01:24:35,000
and deadly treats.

1938
01:24:35,035 --> 01:24:40,040
[screaming]
[epic dramatic music]

1939
01:25:06,825 --> 01:25:08,655
Night of the Demons 3.

1940
01:25:09,725 --> 01:25:11,106
- I remember there
was like a giant long

1941
01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:12,417
like serpent tongue
that comes out

1942
01:25:12,452 --> 01:25:13,970
of Angela's mouth at one point

1943
01:25:14,005 --> 01:25:16,697
and goes through the back of someone's head, I believe.

1944
01:25:18,182 --> 01:25:20,667
The front part of it
is an actual prosthetic

1945
01:25:20,701 --> 01:25:22,289
that the actress
wore in her mouth

1946
01:25:22,324 --> 01:25:23,566
but then the actual tongue,

1947
01:25:23,601 --> 01:25:26,190
the long big tongue was
fabricated out of foam

1948
01:25:26,224 --> 01:25:28,053
and I put it on
the end of a pole

1949
01:25:28,088 --> 01:25:29,745
so it could be shoved
out the fake out

1950
01:25:29,779 --> 01:25:31,126
and through the back
of the guy's head.

1951
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,058
- I do remember when I wrote it

1952
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:37,062
and then talking to
the director by phone,

1953
01:25:37,097 --> 01:25:38,754
who had not seen the first two,

1954
01:25:38,788 --> 01:25:41,446
and I could tell he had no feel for the material,

1955
01:25:41,481 --> 01:25:43,103
he hadn't seen the first two.

1956
01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:45,416
He was gonna take this script,

1957
01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:47,521
which was a Night of
the Demons script,

1958
01:25:47,556 --> 01:25:50,214
which I went back and read Joe's first two scripts,

1959
01:25:50,248 --> 01:25:53,872
Night of the Demons one
and copied the feeling

1960
01:25:53,907 --> 01:25:55,943
and the dialog and
the characters.

1961
01:25:55,978 --> 01:25:57,393
So it was like a
high school romp

1962
01:25:57,428 --> 01:26:00,189
with a lot of blood
and gore and nudity

1963
01:26:00,224 --> 01:26:04,055
and this guy was trying
to make The Exorcist

1964
01:26:04,089 --> 01:26:05,539
and it's like.

1965
01:26:05,574 --> 01:26:08,991
- [Narrator] Some secrets should never be learned.

1966
01:26:10,165 --> 01:26:13,823
Some borders should
never be crossed.

1967
01:26:14,755 --> 01:26:16,136
Some games.

1968
01:26:16,171 --> 01:26:17,310
- Are you here?

1969
01:26:17,344 --> 01:26:18,621
- [Narrator] Should
never be played.

1970
01:26:19,657 --> 01:26:21,383
Witchboard 2.

1971
01:26:21,417 --> 01:26:22,901
- What happened was
Republic Pictures

1972
01:26:22,936 --> 01:26:25,214
picked up to the rights to the original Witchboard

1973
01:26:25,249 --> 01:26:27,768
and Night of the Demons
for video distribution

1974
01:26:27,803 --> 01:26:29,770
and they were both
such big hits for them

1975
01:26:29,805 --> 01:26:32,946
that they commissioned
that some company

1976
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:36,225
to make two sequels
to Witchboard

1977
01:26:36,260 --> 01:26:38,296
and two sequels to
Night of the Demons.

1978
01:26:38,331 --> 01:26:40,402
So this was the first
time they didn't have

1979
01:26:40,436 --> 01:26:42,197
to go out and raise
the money themselves,

1980
01:26:42,231 --> 01:26:44,164
Republic gave them the money

1981
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:48,720
and basically they became producers for hire.

1982
01:26:48,755 --> 01:26:51,792
So they made two
Witchboard sequels

1983
01:26:51,827 --> 01:26:53,622
and two Night of
the Demon sequels

1984
01:26:53,656 --> 01:26:56,176
and Witchboard 2 was the first.

1985
01:26:56,211 --> 01:26:58,247
So they did come out
in some theaters,

1986
01:26:58,282 --> 01:27:00,836
like in very niche markets

1987
01:27:00,870 --> 01:27:03,494
but it never had
the wide release

1988
01:27:03,528 --> 01:27:05,772
that the original Witchboard had had, obviously.

1989
01:27:05,806 --> 01:27:08,050
Limited to my hometown, I think.

1990
01:27:08,084 --> 01:27:10,570
No, that's the one
place it didn't play.

1991
01:27:11,916 --> 01:27:14,919
[eerie tense music]

1992
01:27:16,886 --> 01:27:18,923
[screaming]

1993
01:27:18,957 --> 01:27:21,960
[eerie tense music]

1994
01:27:26,448 --> 01:27:28,864
[screaming]

1995
01:27:39,115 --> 01:27:40,565
The guys who made Witchboard

1996
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,808
and Night of the
Demons got hired.

1997
01:27:41,842 --> 01:27:43,465
Now that they were
producers for hire,

1998
01:27:43,499 --> 01:27:45,087
they were getting hired
by other companies.

1999
01:27:45,121 --> 01:27:49,091
Trimark, because of their success with Leprechaun,

2000
01:27:49,125 --> 01:27:51,438
wanted to do a Pinocchio film

2001
01:27:51,473 --> 01:27:53,820
and they had found a script

2002
01:27:53,854 --> 01:27:55,580
and they were gonna make it

2003
01:27:55,615 --> 01:27:58,928
and they were gonna make
it for like 1.5 million

2004
01:27:59,791 --> 01:28:01,034
but the guy who wrote the script

2005
01:28:01,068 --> 01:28:03,416
was a first time
writer slash director

2006
01:28:03,450 --> 01:28:06,211
and he was convinced
this thing was

2007
01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:08,075
the next Gone with the Wind

2008
01:28:08,110 --> 01:28:10,146
and he wouldn't agree to do it

2009
01:28:10,181 --> 01:28:13,046
if the budget was less
than three million.

2010
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,980
So I think it was
called Bad Pinocchio.

2011
01:28:16,014 --> 01:28:18,016
I don't remember
who the writer was,

2012
01:28:18,051 --> 01:28:22,573
I read it and, not a fan.

2013
01:28:22,607 --> 01:28:24,091
It was pretty silly

2014
01:28:24,126 --> 01:28:26,370
but I wasn't a big fan of the Leprechaun films either.

2015
01:28:26,404 --> 01:28:29,683
I know that's sacrilege to all you Leprechaun fans

2016
01:28:29,718 --> 01:28:32,341
out there and my brother did do the score for two of them

2017
01:28:32,376 --> 01:28:36,518
but I'm not a big fan
of the Leprechaun films

2018
01:28:36,552 --> 01:28:39,348
and Trimark had asked me,

2019
01:28:39,383 --> 01:28:41,419
tried to get me to do part two and then part three

2020
01:28:41,454 --> 01:28:42,731
and I turned them down.

2021
01:28:42,765 --> 01:28:44,457
So I think this was their way.

2022
01:28:45,354 --> 01:28:46,838
So when that fell through.

2023
01:28:46,873 --> 01:28:49,807
When the Bad Pinocchio
fell through,

2024
01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:51,809
these guys at Paragon were kind

2025
01:28:51,843 --> 01:28:53,638
of gonna be out of work now.

2026
01:28:53,673 --> 01:28:57,539
So they really quickly
said to Mark Amin,

2027
01:28:57,573 --> 01:28:59,195
"Well you know, this guy
doesn't own the rights

2028
01:28:59,230 --> 01:29:02,060
to Pinocchio, we
can't do his script

2029
01:29:02,095 --> 01:29:04,787
but we can still do a
killer Pinocchio film"

2030
01:29:04,822 --> 01:29:06,962
and Mark said,
"yeah but who would"

2031
01:29:06,996 --> 01:29:08,515
and they said, "what
if we get Kevin?"

2032
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:10,655
and he was like,
"You'll never get Kevin

2033
01:29:10,690 --> 01:29:13,348
'cause he keeps turning down the Leprechaun films."

2034
01:29:14,728 --> 01:29:18,491
So they came to me and I said I would agree to do it

2035
01:29:18,525 --> 01:29:20,355
if it could be more like magic

2036
01:29:20,389 --> 01:29:22,598
and less like Child's Play.

2037
01:29:22,633 --> 01:29:24,704
'Cause I really didn't want to do a Child's Play.

2038
01:29:24,738 --> 01:29:26,533
I'm not a big fan
of the big puppets.

2039
01:29:26,568 --> 01:29:27,672
As a matter of fact,

2040
01:29:27,707 --> 01:29:28,949
I would never had written and directed Pinocchio

2041
01:29:28,984 --> 01:29:30,744
as a spec ever.

2042
01:29:30,779 --> 01:29:32,643
It was because it
was a work for hire.

2043
01:29:32,677 --> 01:29:35,784
But I said, I would beinterested if I could do it more

2044
01:29:35,818 --> 01:29:37,061
it's a psychological thriller

2045
01:29:37,095 --> 01:29:38,752
and at the end you
don't really know

2046
01:29:38,787 --> 01:29:41,341
and they were like, oh, they weren't crazy about that

2047
01:29:41,376 --> 01:29:42,791
and I said, Here's
what we'll do.

2048
01:29:42,825 --> 01:29:44,724
In the final scene she
gets hit in the head

2049
01:29:44,758 --> 01:29:46,864
and she sees the Pinocchio doll attack her

2050
01:29:46,898 --> 01:29:49,556
but then at the end, she say well she had been hit

2051
01:29:49,591 --> 01:29:51,558
in the head, maybe
she imagined it

2052
01:29:51,593 --> 01:29:53,457
and it was really her
daughter attacking her.

2053
01:29:53,491 --> 01:29:56,460
That way, you still get
the attacking Pinocchio

2054
01:29:56,494 --> 01:30:00,878
for your trailer, but I still get my ambiguous ending

2055
01:30:00,912 --> 01:30:02,914
and they wanted a killer puppet.

2056
01:30:02,949 --> 01:30:05,261
So that was the
compromise we made.

2057
01:30:05,296 --> 01:30:06,539
- I'm back.

2058
01:30:06,573 --> 01:30:09,058
- I barely remember
working in Leprechaun 2

2059
01:30:09,093 --> 01:30:12,096
and you know what, I've seen Warwick Davis a few times,

2060
01:30:12,130 --> 01:30:13,615
and first of all,

2061
01:30:13,649 --> 01:30:17,722
it's wonderful, Ron
knew him from Willow

2062
01:30:17,757 --> 01:30:20,449
but the fact that he got
this horror franchise

2063
01:30:20,484 --> 01:30:25,281
as a little person,
limited casting options,

2064
01:30:25,316 --> 01:30:26,455
he cashed in.

2065
01:30:26,490 --> 01:30:31,046
That whole character
was a complete re shoot,

2066
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,531
that character didn't
exist in the first draft

2067
01:30:33,566 --> 01:30:37,397
of the script and I actually auditioned for the movie

2068
01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:39,813
and didn't get a role.

2069
01:30:39,848 --> 01:30:41,263
The director, Tony Randel,

2070
01:30:41,297 --> 01:30:43,645
I never really
talked to him about,

2071
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:45,267
but I never got the call

2072
01:30:45,301 --> 01:30:46,820
and Dad worked on it

2073
01:30:46,855 --> 01:30:51,238
and then I got a call from Tony

2074
01:30:51,273 --> 01:30:53,033
saying that they just
felt like they needed

2075
01:30:53,068 --> 01:30:55,484
some more horror, some more,

2076
01:30:55,519 --> 01:30:57,417
you know, what they needed.

2077
01:30:57,452 --> 01:30:59,488
It was too much standing
around and talking

2078
01:30:59,523 --> 01:31:01,801
and they invented my character,

2079
01:31:01,835 --> 01:31:04,597
which is hard for me to imagine

2080
01:31:04,631 --> 01:31:07,634
because it's such a central character in the story,

2081
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:09,705
but the idea is you never really saw the ticks,

2082
01:31:09,740 --> 01:31:12,570
how they got steroid-ed up,

2083
01:31:12,605 --> 01:31:14,365
you know and so you meet me

2084
01:31:14,399 --> 01:31:15,746
and we shot all night

2085
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:20,716
and it had to been 32
degrees out in Malibu,

2086
01:31:22,615 --> 01:31:24,133
'cause we were out
in Malibu canyon

2087
01:31:24,168 --> 01:31:26,998
and it was sure nice
to have that makeup on,

2088
01:31:27,033 --> 01:31:29,518
'cause it makes you a lot warmer

2089
01:31:29,553 --> 01:31:32,521
and I remember I'm infested,

2090
01:31:32,556 --> 01:31:35,179
because finally it was
kind of so late at night

2091
01:31:35,213 --> 01:31:37,457
and it was so crazy
that when it was time

2092
01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:39,286
to really go for it.

2093
01:31:39,321 --> 01:31:40,425
I'm infected!

2094
01:31:41,634 --> 01:31:44,015
Silent Night Deadly
Night Part Four was,

2095
01:31:44,050 --> 01:31:46,293
I thought was a really
good experience.

2096
01:31:46,328 --> 01:31:49,089
Brian Yuzna was an
old friend of mine

2097
01:31:49,124 --> 01:31:52,921
and we had worked together partially in a few things

2098
01:31:52,955 --> 01:31:56,441
but he directs and he
was the guy that did

2099
01:31:56,476 --> 01:31:59,652
the Bride of Re-Animator, the Re-Animator movies,

2100
01:31:59,686 --> 01:32:01,170
he produced them.

2101
01:32:01,205 --> 01:32:04,208
He was making this Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four,

2102
01:32:04,242 --> 01:32:06,659
and it had nothing
to do with Christmas,

2103
01:32:06,693 --> 01:32:09,489
it had nothing to do with Silent Night Deadly Night

2104
01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:11,491
Part Three, Brian didn't care

2105
01:32:11,526 --> 01:32:15,184
and there was a guy named Screaming Mad George,

2106
01:32:15,219 --> 01:32:16,496
who did the special effects,

2107
01:32:16,531 --> 01:32:18,084
they were just a lot of gooey,

2108
01:32:18,118 --> 01:32:19,672
kind of slimy creatures

2109
01:32:19,706 --> 01:32:24,711
and I played, I
played a homeless guy

2110
01:32:26,092 --> 01:32:28,059
that was sort of the henchman of these witches.

2111
01:32:28,094 --> 01:32:31,131
I went and got a 12-pack
and was drinking it.

2112
01:32:31,166 --> 01:32:32,408
I was playing a homeless guy.

2113
01:32:32,443 --> 01:32:34,859
I could afford to
have a little buzz

2114
01:32:34,894 --> 01:32:36,930
and I remember the
production manager

2115
01:32:36,965 --> 01:32:39,795
took away my 12-pack after I had three or four

2116
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:41,763
and that really pissed me off

2117
01:32:41,797 --> 01:32:43,592
and I went and bought
another 12-pack

2118
01:32:43,627 --> 01:32:44,835
the first break I had.

2119
01:32:44,869 --> 01:32:46,457
- [Narrator] A bizarre event.

2120
01:32:46,491 --> 01:32:47,941
- This would make a great story.

2121
01:32:47,976 --> 01:32:51,807
- [Narrator] For her, it was the chance of a lifetime.

2122
01:32:51,842 --> 01:32:55,155
- I work for the LA Eye, I'm an investigative reporter.

2123
01:32:55,190 --> 01:32:57,226
There's got to be some logical explanation for the burning.

2124
01:32:57,261 --> 01:32:59,435
- [Narrator] But some questions.

2125
01:32:59,470 --> 01:33:01,472
- Get away from
me, leave me alone.

2126
01:33:01,506 --> 01:33:03,578
- [Narrator] Are
better left unanswered.

2127
01:33:03,612 --> 01:33:06,373
- What happened,
are you all right?

2128
01:33:06,408 --> 01:33:07,651
The woman who jumped.

2129
01:33:07,685 --> 01:33:09,066
- She was my daughter.

2130
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:11,516
But now you've come
to take her place.

2131
01:33:11,551 --> 01:33:13,104
- Make your fear real.

2132
01:33:13,139 --> 01:33:13,898
Get it out.

2133
01:33:15,348 --> 01:33:18,213
- [Narrator] It's the night you've been waiting for.

2134
01:33:18,247 --> 01:33:19,283
- Please help.

2135
01:33:19,317 --> 01:33:20,525
- Kill the man.

2136
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:22,597
Became a whole woman.

2137
01:33:22,631 --> 01:33:24,046
[screaming]

2138
01:33:24,081 --> 01:33:25,738
- [Narrator] The night you've been screaming for.

2139
01:33:25,772 --> 01:33:27,256
- It's the final step.

2140
01:33:27,291 --> 01:33:30,087
- [Narrator] Silent
Night Deadly Night 4.

2141
01:33:30,121 --> 01:33:31,536
Initiation.

2142
01:33:31,571 --> 01:33:32,399
- Clint was great.

2143
01:33:32,434 --> 01:33:33,918
He's really a good actor

2144
01:33:33,953 --> 01:33:37,059
and very easy going on the set.

2145
01:33:37,094 --> 01:33:40,787
So when the first Silent Night Deadly Night movie came out

2146
01:33:41,719 --> 01:33:44,066
Santa Claus was the killer.

2147
01:33:44,101 --> 01:33:46,034
That's not right.

2148
01:33:46,068 --> 01:33:47,932
There are lines
that you don't cross

2149
01:33:47,967 --> 01:33:49,140
and that's one of them.

2150
01:33:49,175 --> 01:33:50,625
You don't make Santa
Clause a killer

2151
01:33:50,659 --> 01:33:54,663
and I vowed, you know, all of like 29 years old,

2152
01:33:54,698 --> 01:33:57,562
well I'm never gonna do a Santa Claus killer movie,

2153
01:33:57,597 --> 01:33:58,633
'cause that's not okay.

2154
01:33:58,667 --> 01:34:00,082
That is not okay.

2155
01:34:00,117 --> 01:34:01,394
You can't cross that line.

2156
01:34:01,428 --> 01:34:04,984
So, fast forward, you
know, a year later,

2157
01:34:05,018 --> 01:34:06,399
two, three years later.

2158
01:34:06,433 --> 01:34:07,745
I'm going in on this audition

2159
01:34:07,780 --> 01:34:10,472
and I've already done
a couple horror films

2160
01:34:11,853 --> 01:34:16,512
and I go in for this movie called The Initiation.

2161
01:34:16,547 --> 01:34:19,584
Now very often, you don't get to see the script,

2162
01:34:19,619 --> 01:34:21,345
you just get like three scenes.

2163
01:34:21,379 --> 01:34:24,175
So I do my scenes,
they call me back,

2164
01:34:24,210 --> 01:34:26,833
it goes well, I'm feeling great.

2165
01:34:26,868 --> 01:34:29,422
Go back again, get the part.

2166
01:34:29,456 --> 01:34:31,700
I'm meeting a buddy,
I'm on my way home,

2167
01:34:31,735 --> 01:34:33,460
my buddy's gonna
meet me at my house,

2168
01:34:33,495 --> 01:34:34,979
we're gonna head to a party or something afterwards.

2169
01:34:35,014 --> 01:34:36,429
He's in the driveway.

2170
01:34:36,463 --> 01:34:39,294
He's like, "Hey,
Tommy how'd it go?

2171
01:34:39,328 --> 01:34:41,020
I go, I got the part.

2172
01:34:41,054 --> 01:34:42,228
He goes, "What was that again?"

2173
01:34:42,262 --> 01:34:44,264
I go, it's a movie
called The Initiation.

2174
01:34:44,299 --> 01:34:46,439
He's like, "Oh, right.

2175
01:34:46,473 --> 01:34:47,958
Silent Night Deadly
Night Part Four."

2176
01:34:47,992 --> 01:34:49,614
I go, no, no.

2177
01:34:49,649 --> 01:34:51,478
It's called The Initiation.

2178
01:34:51,513 --> 01:34:55,034
He's like, "No, Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four,

2179
01:34:55,068 --> 01:34:56,000
The Initiation.

2180
01:34:56,035 --> 01:34:57,450
I'm like, no!

2181
01:34:57,484 --> 01:34:59,728
I said I would never do one.

2182
01:34:59,763 --> 01:35:01,592
When I read the script finally,

2183
01:35:01,626 --> 01:35:04,422
when they finally gave
me a script to read,

2184
01:35:04,457 --> 01:35:09,324
like the first page,
I am, my character

2185
01:35:09,358 --> 01:35:13,949
is having sex with this woman up against the wall

2186
01:35:13,984 --> 01:35:16,331
in a seedy hotel
shot from behind

2187
01:35:16,365 --> 01:35:20,576
and I'm like, oh, oh.

2188
01:35:20,611 --> 01:35:22,440
Okay, wow.

2189
01:35:23,614 --> 01:35:27,549
My butt is gonna be
on film for eternity.

2190
01:35:28,999 --> 01:35:31,553
I'm gonna have the best looking butt in the business

2191
01:35:31,587 --> 01:35:34,901
and so for the next, you
know, whatever it was.

2192
01:35:34,936 --> 01:35:36,420
I was already in
pretty good shape

2193
01:35:36,454 --> 01:35:39,630
but for the next few
weeks I'm just like,

2194
01:35:39,664 --> 01:35:42,322
doing butt exercises,
doing butt exercises

2195
01:35:42,357 --> 01:35:43,945
'cause my butts
gonna look awesome.

2196
01:35:43,979 --> 01:35:47,500
See the movie, they
didn't use that part.

2197
01:35:47,534 --> 01:35:49,053
I'm like, come on!

2198
01:35:49,088 --> 01:35:50,641
My butt looked great

2199
01:35:50,675 --> 01:35:52,781
and I didn't even
realize back that

2200
01:35:52,816 --> 01:35:57,372
that it had such a like Hitchcockian thing about it

2201
01:35:57,406 --> 01:35:58,994
and it is really cool

2202
01:35:59,029 --> 01:36:03,136
and I found myself just
riveted just watching

2203
01:36:03,171 --> 01:36:05,035
Neith and what so goes through

2204
01:36:05,069 --> 01:36:07,589
and what's going on in her mind.

2205
01:36:07,623 --> 01:36:09,487
She always had stuff going on.

2206
01:36:09,522 --> 01:36:11,075
I mean there's not
like a lot of moments

2207
01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:14,389
on the screen where you don't see the wheels just turning.

2208
01:36:14,423 --> 01:36:17,668
- There are no bad days
here at Wishing Well.

2209
01:36:17,702 --> 01:36:19,463
Only happy days.

2210
01:36:19,497 --> 01:36:21,327
[screaming]

2211
01:36:21,361 --> 01:36:22,707
- Open wide, Gregory.

2212
01:36:22,742 --> 01:36:24,330
- [Narrator] It is a happy day,

2213
01:36:24,364 --> 01:36:27,643
now he's out, rehabilitated with a brand new job.

2214
01:36:27,678 --> 01:36:29,059
- Here you go.

2215
01:36:29,093 --> 01:36:32,821
- I'd like to buy a gallon of your hard pack.

2216
01:36:32,856 --> 01:36:36,100
- Next.

2217
01:36:36,135 --> 01:36:38,102
You didn't say please.

2218
01:36:38,137 --> 01:36:40,242
- Did you see little
Rodger Smith today?

2219
01:36:40,277 --> 01:36:41,692
- He was that park, why?

2220
01:36:41,726 --> 01:36:42,727
[screaming]

2221
01:36:42,762 --> 01:36:44,212
- We got a missing kid.

2222
01:36:44,246 --> 01:36:46,524
- [Narrator] His ice cream has a secret ingredient.

2223
01:36:46,559 --> 01:36:47,940
- What the hell is
that ice cream dork

2224
01:36:47,974 --> 01:36:49,631
doing out this late?

2225
01:36:49,665 --> 01:36:51,253
- What's your favorite flavor?

2226
01:36:51,288 --> 01:36:52,496
- Wow.

2227
01:36:52,530 --> 01:36:54,463
- Oh, he's so kind to
the little children.

2228
01:36:54,498 --> 01:36:56,017
- I brought you
something special.

2229
01:36:56,051 --> 01:36:58,364
- Oh, sounds yummy.

2230
01:36:58,398 --> 01:36:59,986
[screaming]

2231
01:37:00,021 --> 01:37:01,470
- [Interviewer] I know
that you told me beforeon the phone you didn't believe

2232
01:37:01,505 --> 01:37:02,678
I actually watched [mumbles].

2233
01:37:02,713 --> 01:37:04,128
Is that your internal
attitude on it?

2234
01:37:04,163 --> 01:37:04,957
- Well, yeah.

2235
01:37:04,991 --> 01:37:06,924
I would have $50,

2236
01:37:06,959 --> 01:37:09,789
a $50 bounty, a prize,

2237
01:37:09,824 --> 01:37:11,860
if anybody can prove
to me that they just

2238
01:37:11,895 --> 01:37:13,344
would sit and watch it
just straight through,

2239
01:37:13,379 --> 01:37:16,831
like waste two hours of their life watching the movie.

2240
01:37:16,865 --> 01:37:18,315
I'll give you $50.

2241
01:37:19,730 --> 01:37:22,077
I've never really had anybody step up and do it.

2242
01:37:22,112 --> 01:37:24,355
They've talked about and
they say they've seen it

2243
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:26,875
but to actually say,
no I'm gonna watch it

2244
01:37:26,910 --> 01:37:29,705
and you know I'll put it on tape that I'm watching it,

2245
01:37:29,740 --> 01:37:30,810
you get $50.

2246
01:37:30,845 --> 01:37:32,225
I had a blast making it

2247
01:37:32,260 --> 01:37:35,332
and Norman and I are
really close friends,

2248
01:37:35,366 --> 01:37:36,540
the fellow that directed it

2249
01:37:36,574 --> 01:37:38,714
and it was an important part,

2250
01:37:38,749 --> 01:37:40,647
an important time in my life

2251
01:37:40,682 --> 01:37:42,580
and getting to play the lead

2252
01:37:42,615 --> 01:37:45,135
was something that, you know,

2253
01:37:45,169 --> 01:37:46,895
actors that's what
we strive for.

2254
01:37:46,930 --> 01:37:51,382
I mean all actors dream of being the matinee idol,

2255
01:37:51,417 --> 01:37:53,074
and I wasn't gonna
be the matinee idol

2256
01:37:53,108 --> 01:37:54,903
but I, you know,
I want my sirloin.

2257
01:37:54,938 --> 01:37:57,457
[eerie music]

2258
01:38:11,126 --> 01:38:13,888
- [Narrator] Dr. Allen Feinstone is back in business.

2259
01:38:13,922 --> 01:38:15,613
- [Man] Just a small
country practice.

2260
01:38:15,648 --> 01:38:17,374
- [Narrator] Doing
what he does best.

2261
01:38:17,408 --> 01:38:18,754
- Want to open wide?

2262
01:38:18,789 --> 01:38:20,308
- [Narrator] He's practicing under a new name.

2263
01:38:20,342 --> 01:38:22,758
- Jamie Devers,
Dr. Lawrence Caine.

2264
01:38:22,793 --> 01:38:23,967
- Hi.

2265
01:38:24,001 --> 01:38:25,692
- Larry's just moved
here to Paradise.

2266
01:38:25,727 --> 01:38:26,935
- I think I'm
gonna like it here.

2267
01:38:26,970 --> 01:38:28,143
- [Narrator] And he's
given his patience.

2268
01:38:28,178 --> 01:38:29,455
- Smile.

2269
01:38:29,489 --> 01:38:31,146
- [Narrator] The
care they deserve.

2270
01:38:31,181 --> 01:38:34,839
- I got a feeling he's gonna be real good for this town.

2271
01:38:34,874 --> 01:38:36,151
- Whats wrong?

2272
01:38:36,186 --> 01:38:37,290
- A little toothache.

2273
01:38:37,325 --> 01:38:38,705
- May I look at it?

2274
01:38:38,740 --> 01:38:39,879
- Is it gonna hurt.

2275
01:38:39,914 --> 01:38:40,915
- Shouldn't.

2276
01:38:40,949 --> 01:38:42,502
- Dentist 2 is one of those ones

2277
01:38:42,537 --> 01:38:45,057
I'm really proud I got that notch in my gun belt.

2278
01:38:45,091 --> 01:38:48,129
Corbin Bernsen,
Brian Yuzna again

2279
01:38:48,163 --> 01:38:50,372
and the wonderful
thing about working

2280
01:38:50,407 --> 01:38:51,580
for Brian back in the day

2281
01:38:51,615 --> 01:38:54,963
is, of course, you
get a little neurotic

2282
01:38:54,998 --> 01:38:56,447
when nobody gives you any notes.

2283
01:38:56,482 --> 01:38:57,690
It's like, how was I?

2284
01:38:57,724 --> 01:38:58,898
Did it work?

2285
01:38:58,933 --> 01:39:01,556
Does the scene work,
too intense or whatever?

2286
01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:03,351
And Brian, very early on said,

2287
01:39:03,385 --> 01:39:06,216
"You know, I'm not an actor.

2288
01:39:06,250 --> 01:39:07,493
You're a lot better
actor than I am.

2289
01:39:07,527 --> 01:39:09,322
I'm gonna leave the
acting choices to you

2290
01:39:09,357 --> 01:39:11,946
and let me just do
the, handle the shots."

2291
01:39:11,980 --> 01:39:15,328
So, by the time
we did Dentist 2,

2292
01:39:15,363 --> 01:39:17,330
I mean listen, Corbin
and I just were chewing

2293
01:39:17,365 --> 01:39:20,747
on the scenery, we
had fun, we staged it.

2294
01:39:20,782 --> 01:39:22,128
The fake needle in the ear

2295
01:39:24,096 --> 01:39:26,581
and I still, if I
had a product really,

2296
01:39:26,615 --> 01:39:27,892
it would be on it.

2297
01:39:27,927 --> 01:39:30,585
It, 'cause I just feel like

2298
01:39:30,619 --> 01:39:32,138
that that's one of those ones,

2299
01:39:33,726 --> 01:39:36,832
yeah, listen, look at the way Corbin was playing it

2300
01:39:36,867 --> 01:39:38,973
and the way, you
know Mr. Toothache

2301
01:39:39,007 --> 01:39:40,491
was my character's name

2302
01:39:40,526 --> 01:39:43,701
and that insert shot
of the pus was just

2303
01:39:43,736 --> 01:39:47,912
so ridiculously grotesquely bad, it's good.

2304
01:39:47,947 --> 01:39:52,952
It just summarizes that movie, that era, that time.

2305
01:39:53,677 --> 01:39:55,161
- 90s horror is great

2306
01:39:55,196 --> 01:39:57,129
and a lot of that came from the direct to video movies.

2307
01:39:57,163 --> 01:39:58,440
I mean, Dr. Giggles.

2308
01:39:58,475 --> 01:40:02,272
- Return of the Living
Dead III, Mindy Clarke.

2309
01:40:03,480 --> 01:40:04,308
- Let's proceed.

2310
01:40:05,654 --> 01:40:07,035
- Don't worry,
they can't see us.

2311
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:10,521
- [Narrator] Beyond
the laws of nature.

2312
01:40:10,556 --> 01:40:11,453
- We've got something.

2313
01:40:11,488 --> 01:40:13,559
- They came back to life.

2314
01:40:13,593 --> 01:40:15,733
- [Narrator] Beyond
the limits of love.

2315
01:40:15,768 --> 01:40:18,874
[screaming]

2316
01:40:18,909 --> 01:40:20,083
- Julie.

2317
01:40:20,117 --> 01:40:22,464
- [Narrator] Beyond
the silence of death.

2318
01:40:24,225 --> 01:40:25,916
She has returned

2319
01:40:25,950 --> 01:40:28,953
to take you on a joy
ride through hell.

2320
01:40:28,988 --> 01:40:31,404
[rock music]

2321
01:40:34,097 --> 01:40:36,099
- She's dead, isn't she?

2322
01:40:36,133 --> 01:40:37,065
[screaming]

2323
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:39,516
[rock music]

2324
01:40:42,726 --> 01:40:46,005
- If she attacks him,
he becomes like her.

2325
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:47,282
[screaming]

2326
01:40:47,317 --> 01:40:48,145
- No!

2327
01:40:50,492 --> 01:40:54,151
- She was the most bad ass cool,

2328
01:40:54,186 --> 01:40:57,396
like she kind of
reminded me of a bit

2329
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:59,294
of a Angela in
Night of the Demons,

2330
01:40:59,329 --> 01:41:01,917
Amelia Kinkade, kind
of just cool and sexy

2331
01:41:01,952 --> 01:41:03,367
and badass and then its like,

2332
01:41:03,402 --> 01:41:05,507
when she had to start shoving glass into her face

2333
01:41:05,542 --> 01:41:06,819
and needles into her fingers,

2334
01:41:06,853 --> 01:41:08,234
you're like holy shit!

2335
01:41:08,269 --> 01:41:10,857
This chick is crazy
and she's cool

2336
01:41:10,892 --> 01:41:12,307
and she's still sexy.

2337
01:41:12,342 --> 01:41:15,138
I think kind of with
like the death of DVD

2338
01:41:15,172 --> 01:41:16,691
and like video store movies

2339
01:41:16,725 --> 01:41:19,659
may have been like the death of the scream queen.

2340
01:41:20,867 --> 01:41:24,112
Just because like the
genres much bigger now

2341
01:41:24,147 --> 01:41:26,735
but you don't have that thing.

2342
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:27,978
Like you're not going to Netflix

2343
01:41:28,012 --> 01:41:31,119
just to search for a
Tiffany movie anymore,

2344
01:41:31,154 --> 01:41:32,534
or so and so.

2345
01:41:32,569 --> 01:41:34,847
Like where you used
to go to Blockbuster
and you'd like go, oh

2346
01:41:34,881 --> 01:41:36,297
oh my god, look at
this, she's in this one

2347
01:41:36,331 --> 01:41:37,781
and she's in this one
and she's in this one

2348
01:41:37,815 --> 01:41:39,196
and like those were the things

2349
01:41:39,231 --> 01:41:41,716
that you had much smaller pool to chose from.

2350
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:44,443
So obviously people like me you get elevated more.

2351
01:41:44,477 --> 01:41:47,031
Now there's like billions of movies on Netflix

2352
01:41:47,066 --> 01:41:48,481
and billions of movies on Hulu

2353
01:41:48,516 --> 01:41:50,276
and it's like you don't haveenough time to watch everything

2354
01:41:50,311 --> 01:41:55,316
so I don't know if the term really still exists as much.

2355
01:41:56,524 --> 01:41:58,457
- All those years when
I was making the films

2356
01:41:58,491 --> 01:41:59,527
in the 80s and 90s.

2357
01:41:59,561 --> 01:42:04,083
I had no idea the, the breadth,

2358
01:42:05,188 --> 01:42:06,396
I don't know the word,

2359
01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:10,331
of where these films
were going of the people

2360
01:42:10,365 --> 01:42:11,608
seeing the films.

2361
01:42:11,642 --> 01:42:14,921
I had no idea that these
films were being seen

2362
01:42:14,956 --> 01:42:17,821
across the country and there was all these people

2363
01:42:17,855 --> 01:42:19,892
who love these films.

2364
01:42:19,926 --> 01:42:22,032
- I have to tell
my fans, thank you

2365
01:42:22,066 --> 01:42:24,172
thank you for everything
for all these years

2366
01:42:24,207 --> 01:42:26,381
of honoring me as a scream queen

2367
01:42:26,416 --> 01:42:28,901
and watching me as
a horror actress,

2368
01:42:28,935 --> 01:42:30,868
I couldn't have
done it without you.

2369
01:42:30,903 --> 01:42:34,355
- I love talking to you
guys on social media

2370
01:42:34,389 --> 01:42:35,597
and I look forward to seeing you

2371
01:42:35,632 --> 01:42:37,530
at the conventions
and stuff like that

2372
01:42:38,635 --> 01:42:40,671
and I wouldn't do anything,

2373
01:42:40,706 --> 01:42:42,604
couldn't be able to do anything

2374
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:44,054
that I love to do without you.

2375
01:42:44,088 --> 01:42:46,574
So thank you very
much, I love you.

2376
01:42:46,608 --> 01:42:48,023
- That was my childhood

2377
01:42:48,058 --> 01:42:50,543
and that was some of the
best years of my life,

2378
01:42:50,578 --> 01:42:52,890
discovering all those movies.

2379
01:42:52,925 --> 01:42:55,928
[eerie tense music]

2380
01:44:21,945 --> 01:44:25,051
[eerie tense music]



