WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:17.810 --> 00:00:20.882 [film reel clicking] 4 00:00:25.611 --> 00:00:28.856 [soft classical music] 5 00:00:39.315 --> 00:00:41.903 [upbeat music] 6 00:01:24.118 --> 00:01:26.672 - I was one of those kids, who back in the 80s, 7 00:01:26.707 --> 00:01:29.261 was always in the video store, always renting. 8 00:01:29.296 --> 00:01:32.437 When I wasn't at school, I was in the video store 9 00:01:32.471 --> 00:01:37.476 and I never realized in the 1990s I got my chance 10 00:01:37.925 --> 00:01:40.341 to be the movie geek who worked behind the counter. 11 00:01:40.376 --> 00:01:43.827 I was the guy who people came to for recommendations. 12 00:01:45.243 --> 00:01:48.556 Because the 1990s gave way to the straight to video star. 13 00:01:48.591 --> 00:01:50.558 Like your Don "The Dragon' Wilson, 14 00:01:50.593 --> 00:01:52.836 your Gary Daniels. 15 00:01:52.871 --> 00:01:56.426 Jean-Claude Van Damme, well he was a continuation of, 16 00:01:56.461 --> 00:02:01.431 and for me the 1990s represented, 17 00:02:02.260 --> 00:02:03.744 the straight to video side of things, 18 00:02:03.778 --> 00:02:05.711 a chance to just forget about everything. 19 00:02:05.746 --> 00:02:08.197 Just sit back, relax, enjoy, 20 00:02:08.231 --> 00:02:10.164 take your mind off your cares of the world 21 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:11.579 and rent a movie. 22 00:02:11.614 --> 00:02:14.582 [eerie tense music] 23 00:03:19.785 --> 00:03:22.098 [upbeat classical music] 24 00:03:22.132 --> 00:03:23.686 - [Narrator] Meet Wesley. 25 00:03:23.720 --> 00:03:25.066 - He's such a good boy. 26 00:03:25.101 --> 00:03:26.861 - [Narrator] He's a model student. 27 00:03:26.896 --> 00:03:27.966 - What's the matter, retard? 28 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:29.174 Can't you talk? 29 00:03:29.209 --> 00:03:30.934 - [Narrator] But when it comes to girls. 30 00:03:30.969 --> 00:03:32.177 - Have you even talked to her? 31 00:03:32.212 --> 00:03:34.006 - [Narrator] He's got a lot to learn. 32 00:03:34.041 --> 00:03:37.044 - Studies have shown that guys get much further with girls 33 00:03:37.078 --> 00:03:38.287 after they talk. 34 00:03:38.321 --> 00:03:42.256 - [Narrator] It's time he got his education. 35 00:03:42.291 --> 00:03:43.464 - I'm Ms. Xenobia. 36 00:03:43.499 --> 00:03:45.052 The new biology teacher. 37 00:03:45.086 --> 00:03:46.847 - Holy mother of God! 38 00:03:47.848 --> 00:03:49.263 - [Narrator] Dr. Alien. 39 00:03:49.298 --> 00:03:54.303 - It was Dr. Alien that Charles Band took to Paramount 40 00:03:55.787 --> 00:03:59.722 and said, "We spent one point two million making this film." 41 00:03:59.756 --> 00:04:02.207 I think it actually cost about 350,000 42 00:04:02.242 --> 00:04:04.002 but it was, that's what he said 43 00:04:04.036 --> 00:04:06.901 because they were a huge studio with huge overhead, 44 00:04:06.936 --> 00:04:08.455 they were still blown away. 45 00:04:08.489 --> 00:04:11.147 We can't do anything of this quality 46 00:04:11.181 --> 00:04:12.597 for that amount of money. 47 00:04:12.631 --> 00:04:16.532 So that's what basically started the deal 48 00:04:16.566 --> 00:04:20.398 for Full Moon Pictures with Paramount. 49 00:04:20.432 --> 00:04:22.848 - Full Moon movies were like huge to me. 50 00:04:22.883 --> 00:04:24.609 Those were some of my favorite movies 51 00:04:24.643 --> 00:04:25.817 and still are. 52 00:04:25.851 --> 00:04:27.577 I mean, what set those apart 53 00:04:27.612 --> 00:04:29.821 is you'd go to the video store, you'd rent those, 54 00:04:29.855 --> 00:04:31.823 and it was your first glimpse into the idea 55 00:04:31.857 --> 00:04:34.688 of special features on those VHS movies. 56 00:04:34.722 --> 00:04:36.724 I mean Subspecies, Puppet Master, 57 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:38.347 all of those, Trancers. 58 00:04:38.381 --> 00:04:40.521 You'd watch them and at the end of the VHS 59 00:04:40.556 --> 00:04:42.627 after the credits, they'd have behind the scenes footage 60 00:04:42.661 --> 00:04:45.319 or a mail order catalog to get like replicas. 61 00:04:45.354 --> 00:04:47.321 I mean, that blew my mind 62 00:04:47.356 --> 00:04:48.805 and Full Moon was always that studio 63 00:04:48.840 --> 00:04:50.738 that was like off their rocker. 64 00:04:50.773 --> 00:04:52.775 You had no idea what you were getting into. 65 00:04:52.809 --> 00:04:54.949 You know, growing up, I was really into skateboarding 66 00:04:54.984 --> 00:04:57.573 and punk rock because I just, I wasn't one of the cool kids. 67 00:04:57.607 --> 00:04:58.953 Horror movies and that kind 68 00:04:58.988 --> 00:05:00.438 of stuff was the only thing I had. 69 00:05:00.472 --> 00:05:01.887 I didn't have many friends. 70 00:05:01.922 --> 00:05:04.614 So, in a lot of ways Blade, Torch, Jack Death, 71 00:05:04.649 --> 00:05:06.167 those were my friends. 72 00:05:06.202 --> 00:05:08.860 I'd go home from school and I'd hang out with those guys 73 00:05:08.894 --> 00:05:11.656 every time I put in, you know, a Full Moon movie. 74 00:05:11.690 --> 00:05:12.933 [mechanical whirring] 75 00:05:12.967 --> 00:05:14.728 - I'd written the first draft 76 00:05:14.762 --> 00:05:17.524 of the original Puppet Master for Charlie. 77 00:05:18.697 --> 00:05:22.114 What happened was they brought David Schmoeller 78 00:05:22.149 --> 00:05:23.599 in to direct the film 79 00:05:23.633 --> 00:05:28.189 and while they were not gonna go Director's Guild, 80 00:05:28.224 --> 00:05:30.399 they were willing to go Writer's Guild, 81 00:05:30.433 --> 00:05:32.918 which apparently Schmoeller was a member of. 82 00:05:32.953 --> 00:05:34.368 So he rewrote the script 83 00:05:34.403 --> 00:05:37.129 and he did a fairly major rewrite on it. 84 00:05:37.164 --> 00:05:40.063 There's still some similarities to my script, 85 00:05:40.098 --> 00:05:42.238 including the fact that there's puppets in it. 86 00:05:42.272 --> 00:05:47.277 - Charlie, what he wanted to do with Puppet Master III 87 00:05:48.417 --> 00:05:50.384 is he wanted a prequel to the first movie 88 00:05:50.419 --> 00:05:54.664 and going back to whether it was gonna be a period piece 89 00:05:54.699 --> 00:05:56.217 to World War II. 90 00:05:56.252 --> 00:05:58.530 Of course, the first film is, starts with a period, 91 00:05:58.565 --> 00:06:00.429 you know, kind of the bookends and all that stuff 92 00:06:00.463 --> 00:06:02.016 with William Hickey and everything. 93 00:06:02.051 --> 00:06:03.708 So, I was like, okay. 94 00:06:03.742 --> 00:06:06.814 So I sat down and started really thinking 95 00:06:06.849 --> 00:06:09.472 about this whole thing as if we did a World War II 96 00:06:09.507 --> 00:06:11.750 and that's when I came up with a whole thing 97 00:06:11.785 --> 00:06:13.545 and David just embraced it like crazy 98 00:06:13.580 --> 00:06:15.409 and said, Let's make this, you know, 99 00:06:15.444 --> 00:06:17.515 Where Eagles Dare and Night of the Generals 100 00:06:17.549 --> 00:06:22.554 and all those great pinewood Nazi movies of the 1960s. 101 00:06:23.728 --> 00:06:24.936 David would come over to my place, 102 00:06:24.970 --> 00:06:26.558 we'd sit there and we would watch these films, 103 00:06:26.593 --> 00:06:28.905 or I'd be, load him up with cassettes. 104 00:06:28.940 --> 00:06:31.391 He got completely totally into it. 105 00:06:31.425 --> 00:06:33.427 Got in the attitude and everything else 106 00:06:33.462 --> 00:06:36.085 but the big stumbling block was 107 00:06:36.119 --> 00:06:37.914 is I was writing the script, is we were supposed 108 00:06:37.949 --> 00:06:39.157 to shoot in Romania 109 00:06:39.191 --> 00:06:41.193 and it was gonna be one of the very first ones 110 00:06:41.228 --> 00:06:43.299 to be done over there. 111 00:06:43.333 --> 00:06:44.714 There was some sort of a problem. 112 00:06:44.749 --> 00:06:47.407 So, suddenly that was no longer an option 113 00:06:47.441 --> 00:06:49.374 and we're like going, well what are we going to do? 114 00:06:49.409 --> 00:06:51.583 Because of course to do a World War II film there 115 00:06:51.618 --> 00:06:54.724 and what have you, is a whole different bag of beans 116 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.176 than doing it here and it was John Schoweiler 117 00:06:58.210 --> 00:06:59.936 and DeCoteau who got together 118 00:06:59.971 --> 00:07:02.076 and they were the ones who not only convinced Charlie 119 00:07:02.111 --> 00:07:05.045 but made the deal for us to make the movie at Universal 120 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.841 which was just sensational. 121 00:07:07.875 --> 00:07:12.086 So, we all, you know, we moved into the Universal back lot. 122 00:07:12.121 --> 00:07:13.743 Had more visitors, probably, 123 00:07:13.778 --> 00:07:15.745 than any other Full Moon production 124 00:07:15.780 --> 00:07:17.022 just 'cause everybody wanted to go 125 00:07:17.057 --> 00:07:18.955 'cause we shooting in Frankenstein village. 126 00:07:18.990 --> 00:07:21.958 So everybody wanted to be there and every, 127 00:07:21.993 --> 00:07:23.408 it was great. 128 00:07:23.443 --> 00:07:25.341 We had a ball and of course the film 129 00:07:25.375 --> 00:07:27.032 has this tremendous look. 130 00:07:28.309 --> 00:07:31.036 With David and his collaborationwith Adolfo Bartoli 131 00:07:31.071 --> 00:07:32.900 because here we have, you know, 132 00:07:32.935 --> 00:07:35.800 a true studio back lot and a back lot 133 00:07:35.834 --> 00:07:38.975 with this history that related directly 134 00:07:39.010 --> 00:07:40.114 to the movie we were making. 135 00:07:40.149 --> 00:07:42.013 So, yeah that was really cool. 136 00:07:42.047 --> 00:07:43.911 - You said you could devise a drug 137 00:07:43.946 --> 00:07:46.051 so it would give a dead soldier movement. 138 00:07:46.086 --> 00:07:48.433 [screaming] 139 00:07:51.988 --> 00:07:54.508 [gunshots] 140 00:07:54.543 --> 00:07:57.718 - [Narrator] But Andre Toulon didn't need wires. 141 00:07:59.858 --> 00:08:01.066 To make death move. 142 00:08:02.723 --> 00:08:05.277 - This is exactly what we foundin the marionette theater. 143 00:08:05.312 --> 00:08:09.419 - And this will solve all your problems, doctor? 144 00:08:09.454 --> 00:08:11.180 - If I can get to Toulon 145 00:08:11.214 --> 00:08:13.976 I know we can prolong the soldiers new life 146 00:08:14.010 --> 00:08:15.287 but I must get to him. 147 00:08:15.322 --> 00:08:17.738 [tense music] 148 00:08:19.291 --> 00:08:23.157 - Herr Toulon has escaped your custody. 149 00:08:23.192 --> 00:08:25.608 - We are very close to finding him. 150 00:08:25.643 --> 00:08:27.921 - Nothing will stop me from seeking you out 151 00:08:27.955 --> 00:08:31.096 and making each one of you to your knees 152 00:08:31.131 --> 00:08:33.927 for what you have done and you will cry me mercy. 153 00:08:33.961 --> 00:08:35.653 - [Narrator] Puppet Master III. 154 00:08:35.687 --> 00:08:38.414 - Completely and totally and it is the best one. 155 00:08:38.448 --> 00:08:40.623 No, it's not a fan favorite. 156 00:08:40.658 --> 00:08:42.660 - No, it is. - Let's, let's. 157 00:08:42.694 --> 00:08:44.938 No, I know it is, but let's really cut chop 158 00:08:44.972 --> 00:08:46.318 the rest of the heads off. 159 00:08:46.353 --> 00:08:47.872 Come on, it's the best one. 160 00:08:47.906 --> 00:08:50.530 - Some years later they were doing four and five 161 00:08:50.564 --> 00:08:53.843 and my friend, Mike Deak, was running a shop 162 00:08:53.878 --> 00:08:56.881 for Charlie called Alchemy and Wayne Toth 163 00:08:56.915 --> 00:08:58.641 came up with the cool idea 164 00:08:58.676 --> 00:09:02.334 of making this demon puppet. 165 00:09:02.369 --> 00:09:05.130 It was a like a walk around Bunraku puppet. 166 00:09:05.165 --> 00:09:06.787 I thought it was a cool idea. 167 00:09:06.822 --> 00:09:09.445 Basically, the operator was concealed 168 00:09:09.479 --> 00:09:13.311 inside a double layered cape behind the person. 169 00:09:13.345 --> 00:09:17.039 There was a linkage so the puppet was taller 170 00:09:17.073 --> 00:09:18.627 than a person. 171 00:09:18.661 --> 00:09:21.664 So there was a linkage from the operator's head 172 00:09:21.699 --> 00:09:24.667 to the neck and head of the character 173 00:09:24.702 --> 00:09:26.876 I think he had some medallion on his chest 174 00:09:26.911 --> 00:09:30.708 that the performer could actually see out of. 175 00:09:30.742 --> 00:09:34.125 The arms had rods coming out of the elbows 176 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.058 and of course there was drapey fabric on there 177 00:09:36.092 --> 00:09:38.474 so you didn't see the puppeteer's arms. 178 00:09:38.508 --> 00:09:41.304 There was something mounting it to the body 179 00:09:41.339 --> 00:09:42.961 to hold over all weight 180 00:09:42.996 --> 00:09:48.001 and then the performer's feet fit behind the thing 181 00:09:48.864 --> 00:09:50.348 so it could actually walk 182 00:09:50.382 --> 00:09:53.282 and this thing, of course, had this impossible anatomy, 183 00:09:53.316 --> 00:09:57.079 very skeletal looking, very sinewy things, 184 00:09:57.113 --> 00:09:59.288 it couldn't possibly be a guy in a suit. 185 00:09:59.322 --> 00:10:00.841 - I got involved with Full Moon 186 00:10:01.808 --> 00:10:04.465 on Puppet Master VI and V. 187 00:10:04.500 --> 00:10:06.675 - [Narrator] When Ricky Meyers tapped 188 00:10:06.709 --> 00:10:09.747 into the secret of artificial life. 189 00:10:11.196 --> 00:10:12.404 - It's the formula. 190 00:10:12.439 --> 00:10:14.510 - [Narrator] He became the master 191 00:10:14.544 --> 00:10:17.720 of Andre Toulon's puppets. 192 00:10:17.755 --> 00:10:19.964 - The future is yours [mumbling]. 193 00:10:19.998 --> 00:10:22.863 Guard and protect it and keep it from evil. 194 00:10:22.898 --> 00:10:26.418 - [Narrator] Now, his newfound power 195 00:10:26.453 --> 00:10:28.697 will make him a pawn. 196 00:10:28.731 --> 00:10:31.009 - And you say there are seven of these puppets 197 00:10:31.044 --> 00:10:32.183 still at the hotel? 198 00:10:32.217 --> 00:10:34.634 - [Narrator] Between a corporation. 199 00:10:34.668 --> 00:10:36.118 - [Man] Now once we're inside, 200 00:10:36.152 --> 00:10:38.154 what we're looking for is six string less puppets. 201 00:10:38.189 --> 00:10:40.916 [glass shattering] 202 00:10:40.950 --> 00:10:44.505 - [Narrator] And a demon from hell. 203 00:10:44.540 --> 00:10:46.162 Puppet Master 5. 204 00:10:47.336 --> 00:10:48.889 - It was gonna be one movie for Paramount 205 00:10:48.924 --> 00:10:50.960 and then they decided no, we're gonna, 206 00:10:50.995 --> 00:10:53.687 it's not gonna be a theatrical for Paramount. 207 00:10:53.722 --> 00:10:55.033 We're gonna pare the budgets down 208 00:10:55.068 --> 00:10:57.587 and do them kinda split the script in half 209 00:10:57.622 --> 00:10:59.037 and do two movies. 210 00:10:59.072 --> 00:11:02.420 So he got kind of two movies for the price of none 211 00:11:04.525 --> 00:11:09.496 and those, because they were Paramount negative pickups, 212 00:11:10.704 --> 00:11:13.327 I guess, or they were under a Paramount deal, 213 00:11:13.362 --> 00:11:15.329 they got very good distribution, 214 00:11:15.364 --> 00:11:17.435 video wise, around the world. 215 00:11:17.469 --> 00:11:18.816 They were a hoot to make 216 00:11:18.850 --> 00:11:22.682 and it was, the script had already existed 217 00:11:22.716 --> 00:11:24.166 for the theatrical movie 218 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:29.205 but it had been changed a lot through the, 219 00:11:30.068 --> 00:11:31.518 I think there are five credited, 220 00:11:31.552 --> 00:11:33.175 six counting Charlie, credited writers on the two movies 221 00:11:33.209 --> 00:11:36.247 and we all threw our hand in 222 00:11:36.281 --> 00:11:41.286 and the scripts, both scripts were incoherent mess. 223 00:11:42.460 --> 00:11:45.532 So the only way you can have any fun with them 224 00:11:45.566 --> 00:11:49.191 is just to go nuts as much as you could 225 00:11:49.225 --> 00:11:52.677 within the context of the production. 226 00:11:52.712 --> 00:11:55.231 - When Charlie asked me if I would come back 227 00:11:55.266 --> 00:11:57.095 and start writing movies again. 228 00:11:57.130 --> 00:12:01.755 I said look, I really would want to direct again, 229 00:12:01.790 --> 00:12:03.792 or direct period, I should say. 230 00:12:03.826 --> 00:12:06.829 I had been asking him about this back in the Empire days 231 00:12:06.864 --> 00:12:09.314 and in fact, I had come up with, 232 00:12:09.349 --> 00:12:10.626 believe it or not, with an idea 233 00:12:10.660 --> 00:12:12.145 to remake Not of this Earth 234 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:15.148 and this was, of course I didn't know Jim Wynorski 235 00:12:15.182 --> 00:12:17.115 was doing it with Traci Lords and all that stuff. 236 00:12:17.150 --> 00:12:18.047 So that was kinda happening. 237 00:12:18.082 --> 00:12:19.877 So that ended that, plus it was, 238 00:12:19.911 --> 00:12:21.741 you know, owned by a different company. 239 00:12:21.775 --> 00:12:26.746 But, when Empire shut its door and then Full Moon, 240 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.578 so I was like, okay, let's try this again. 241 00:12:32.717 --> 00:12:35.858 Trancers Three happened for me as a director 242 00:12:35.893 --> 00:12:38.585 for really only two reasons. 243 00:12:38.619 --> 00:12:40.483 Albert Band and Tim Thomerson. 244 00:12:40.518 --> 00:12:42.865 Of course, it was Charlie's ultimate decisions 245 00:12:42.900 --> 00:12:47.905 but his dad completely backed me on directing the movie 246 00:12:49.078 --> 00:12:53.462 and then Tim just was, he was amazing. 247 00:12:53.496 --> 00:12:56.845 He, 'cause he had been in moviethat I had written already. 248 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.020 So we knew each other, we liked each other, 249 00:13:00.055 --> 00:13:01.642 but boy he just came in there 250 00:13:01.677 --> 00:13:03.955 like the flaming sword of Siegfried 251 00:13:03.990 --> 00:13:06.509 and he was the series. 252 00:13:08.132 --> 00:13:09.996 - [Narrator] A cop from another world. 253 00:13:10.997 --> 00:13:12.101 - What's the matter? 254 00:13:12.136 --> 00:13:13.758 You never seen a cop before? 255 00:13:13.793 --> 00:13:16.485 - [Narrator] And a nurse shrunk by aliens. 256 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:19.315 - Just the thing to drive G.I. Joe insane. 257 00:13:19.350 --> 00:13:22.215 - [Narrator] Are teaming up with a big partner. 258 00:13:22.249 --> 00:13:23.906 - She's a cop in trouble. 259 00:13:23.941 --> 00:13:26.633 - [Narrator] For some deadly fun and games. 260 00:13:26.667 --> 00:13:29.153 - Toys that come to life and kill people 261 00:13:29.187 --> 00:13:30.982 to help a demon from hell? 262 00:13:32.708 --> 00:13:34.192 You can go where those toys go. 263 00:13:34.227 --> 00:13:36.919 You're the perfect size to help me kick their butts. 264 00:13:36.954 --> 00:13:38.645 [gunshots] 265 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:40.647 - Let's start up the entertainment, boys. 266 00:13:40.681 --> 00:13:41.648 [screaming] 267 00:13:41.682 --> 00:13:42.649 [laughing] 268 00:13:42.683 --> 00:13:43.650 - [Narrator] And this time. 269 00:13:43.684 --> 00:13:45.617 - This is [mumbles] ass kicking. 270 00:13:45.652 --> 00:13:46.929 - Get away from me. 271 00:13:46.964 --> 00:13:48.448 [laughing] 272 00:13:48.482 --> 00:13:51.865 - [Narrator] They're picking on someone their own size. 273 00:13:51.900 --> 00:13:53.315 - Gosh, guys. 274 00:13:53.349 --> 00:13:55.938 This is the best bachelorparty a guy could ever ask for. 275 00:13:55.973 --> 00:13:58.216 [laughing] 276 00:13:59.977 --> 00:14:01.702 - Pop goes the weasel. 277 00:14:01.737 --> 00:14:06.259 - That was, I think we had the original Buechler puppets. 278 00:14:06.293 --> 00:14:09.572 I made Baby Oopsy-Daisy and I made the Jack in the Box. 279 00:14:09.607 --> 00:14:12.058 Baby Oopsy-Daisy I wasn't terribly happy 280 00:14:12.092 --> 00:14:13.369 with the way that turned out 281 00:14:13.404 --> 00:14:15.302 but I basically had a week to make each one 282 00:14:15.337 --> 00:14:16.579 of these things. 283 00:14:16.614 --> 00:14:19.272 So there was no stopping 284 00:14:19.306 --> 00:14:21.826 and then I also made a new character, 285 00:14:21.861 --> 00:14:25.312 which was supposed to be sort of like a G.I. Joe 286 00:14:25.347 --> 00:14:27.452 action man thing which was a suit 287 00:14:27.487 --> 00:14:29.420 that was worn by Ted Haines. 288 00:14:29.454 --> 00:14:31.008 - I really like Dr. Mordrid. 289 00:14:31.042 --> 00:14:32.802 I think it's just got some great stuff in it. 290 00:14:32.837 --> 00:14:36.565 Even though we were, again, working very limited funds. 291 00:14:36.599 --> 00:14:41.018 There was so much in that worked well. 292 00:14:41.052 --> 00:14:42.364 I really liked Yvette Nipar, 293 00:14:42.398 --> 00:14:44.193 I thought she was terrific 294 00:14:44.228 --> 00:14:46.195 and we had obviously a terrific bad guy 295 00:14:46.230 --> 00:14:47.334 in Brian Thompson. 296 00:14:47.369 --> 00:14:49.060 - [Narrator] Dr. M. Tom Mordrid 297 00:14:49.095 --> 00:14:52.857 has stood guard between our world 298 00:14:52.892 --> 00:14:54.894 and the dark dimensions. 299 00:14:55.895 --> 00:14:58.725 Now, after centuries of waiting, 300 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.797 evil's ultimate warrior has arrived. 301 00:15:01.831 --> 00:15:04.558 [dramatic music] 302 00:15:05.732 --> 00:15:09.218 - Kabal is a demon who uses mortals to do his bidding. 303 00:15:09.529 --> 00:15:11.255 [screaming] 304 00:15:11.289 --> 00:15:13.395 [dramatic music] 305 00:15:13.429 --> 00:15:14.499 - What difference does it make 306 00:15:14.534 --> 00:15:16.639 if I want this dying planet? 307 00:15:16.674 --> 00:15:18.745 - A sorcerer is not a god. 308 00:15:18.779 --> 00:15:23.784 - Full Moon movies, you can tell every single department 309 00:15:24.647 --> 00:15:26.097 put everything into that. 310 00:15:26.132 --> 00:15:27.650 You know? 311 00:15:27.685 --> 00:15:31.275 The art department, special effects, practical effects. 312 00:15:31.309 --> 00:15:34.588 I mean, Jesus Christ, what a glorious time 313 00:15:34.623 --> 00:15:37.867 to be alive in the 80s and 90s watching those movies. 314 00:15:39.248 --> 00:15:41.595 - Parting is such sweet sorrow. 315 00:15:41.630 --> 00:15:42.976 - Totally sucks. 316 00:15:43.011 --> 00:15:46.600 ["Sacrifice" by Motorhead] 317 00:15:50.915 --> 00:15:53.918 ♪ Why do they not believe 318 00:15:53.953 --> 00:15:57.818 ♪ I have not lied even for this ♪ 319 00:15:57.853 --> 00:16:00.718 ♪ Now no one can conceive 320 00:16:00.752 --> 00:16:04.929 ♪ The lie becomes the loving kiss ♪ 321 00:16:04.964 --> 00:16:06.931 ♪ Sacrifice 322 00:16:06.966 --> 00:16:08.553 ♪ Sacrifice 323 00:16:08.588 --> 00:16:10.417 ♪ Sacrifice 324 00:16:10.452 --> 00:16:12.109 ♪ Sacrifice 325 00:16:12.143 --> 00:16:14.076 ♪ Sacrifice 326 00:16:14.111 --> 00:16:15.940 ♪ Pay the price 327 00:16:15.975 --> 00:16:17.424 - I was a huge horror nerd growing up. 328 00:16:17.459 --> 00:16:19.806 You know, watching things like Night of the Demons 329 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:21.739 and Sorority Babes in the Slimeball Bowl-O-Rama 330 00:16:21.773 --> 00:16:23.741 and like the original Toxic Avenger. 331 00:16:25.191 --> 00:16:27.227 I would, you know, just kind of watch these crazy movies 332 00:16:27.262 --> 00:16:29.022 on the weekend, never in a million years was I like, 333 00:16:29.057 --> 00:16:30.817 oh I can make these films. 334 00:16:30.851 --> 00:16:33.199 Because in my head these are Hollywood movies 335 00:16:33.233 --> 00:16:36.823 and you needed to know Hollywoodpeople to do that, right? 336 00:16:36.857 --> 00:16:38.411 But where I went to school in Manhattan, 337 00:16:38.445 --> 00:16:40.137 there were a lot of actor kids that like would, 338 00:16:40.171 --> 00:16:42.587 you know, Broadway actors and what not 339 00:16:42.622 --> 00:16:44.279 and they would read this paper called Backstage 340 00:16:44.313 --> 00:16:45.832 and I was like, oh let me see that 341 00:16:45.866 --> 00:16:48.317 and there happened to be an ad for Troma Studios. 342 00:16:48.352 --> 00:16:50.526 They were looking for extras for their movie 343 00:16:50.561 --> 00:16:52.390 Tromeo and Juliet 344 00:16:52.425 --> 00:16:54.220 and I was like, that's Troma. 345 00:16:54.254 --> 00:16:55.117 Like oh my god. 346 00:16:55.152 --> 00:16:56.532 Surf Nazis Must Die. 347 00:16:56.567 --> 00:16:58.914 Like I have to go and so I cut school 348 00:16:58.948 --> 00:17:00.226 and I went down to the audition 349 00:17:00.260 --> 00:17:01.710 and I told them all these stories 350 00:17:01.744 --> 00:17:03.815 about what a great actor I was 351 00:17:03.850 --> 00:17:05.127 and they were like, what special skills 352 00:17:05.162 --> 00:17:06.335 do you have? 353 00:17:06.370 --> 00:17:08.268 I'm like, man, I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu. 354 00:17:08.303 --> 00:17:12.169 I think I was like maybe a green belt in jiu-jitsu 355 00:17:12.203 --> 00:17:14.240 and I was probably like a triple black belt 356 00:17:14.274 --> 00:17:17.070 in street fighting but I certainly didn't have like, 357 00:17:17.105 --> 00:17:19.693 you know, I wasn't Bruce Lee. 358 00:17:20.867 --> 00:17:23.421 But they I think liked my bullshit 359 00:17:23.456 --> 00:17:25.423 or my excitement for the genre 360 00:17:25.458 --> 00:17:29.255 and James Gunn, it was James Gunn first movie with Troma 361 00:17:29.289 --> 00:17:31.291 and Lloyd Kaufman were like, 362 00:17:31.326 --> 00:17:33.500 well you know, you're pretty good, funny or whatever 363 00:17:33.535 --> 00:17:35.019 and they gave me the part of Peter 364 00:17:35.054 --> 00:17:36.434 the bodyguard to the Capulet family. 365 00:17:36.469 --> 00:17:38.919 Which I was, like you don't understand. 366 00:17:38.954 --> 00:17:42.475 Like I would have walked in the background 367 00:17:42.509 --> 00:17:44.373 of that movie and I could have been happy 368 00:17:44.408 --> 00:17:45.926 and just kinda of went on with the rest of my life 369 00:17:45.961 --> 00:17:48.101 but the fact that I had like a speaking part in it 370 00:17:48.136 --> 00:17:49.551 and I got to fight in it 371 00:17:49.585 --> 00:17:52.036 and you know, have stunts go wrong, obviously, 372 00:17:52.071 --> 00:17:54.521 because I really didn't know jiu-jitsu 373 00:17:54.556 --> 00:17:56.351 but it was a dream. 374 00:17:56.385 --> 00:17:59.630 It kinda of, it's the only reason I'm still in the genre. 375 00:17:59.664 --> 00:18:02.219 - Well, we began Troma in 1974. 376 00:18:02.253 --> 00:18:04.807 So by the 90s, were considered 377 00:18:04.842 --> 00:18:08.811 a major independent movie studio with movies like 378 00:18:08.846 --> 00:18:12.539 The Toxic Avenger and I think the 90s for us 379 00:18:12.574 --> 00:18:17.510 was the time that we moved from the Toxic Avenger 380 00:18:18.683 --> 00:18:20.168 and Class of Nuke Em High and Troma's War, 381 00:18:20.202 --> 00:18:22.998 we moved into Shakespeare with Tromeo and Juliet 382 00:18:23.032 --> 00:18:27.623 and we added more and more genres 383 00:18:27.658 --> 00:18:30.626 to our distinct Troma touch. 384 00:18:30.661 --> 00:18:35.666 Troma movies are not really genre movies. 385 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.600 If anything they're a Cuisinart of genres. 386 00:18:38.634 --> 00:18:42.155 They combine horror, science fiction, comedy, politics, 387 00:18:42.190 --> 00:18:45.848 Shakespeare in the case of the movie we just finished also, 388 00:18:45.883 --> 00:18:48.541 Shakespeare Shit Storm, which we just finished shooting. 389 00:18:48.575 --> 00:18:52.269 These are movies that combine genres 390 00:18:52.303 --> 00:18:55.927 and Troma has kinda of its own brand, 391 00:18:55.962 --> 00:18:59.034 shall we say, which may be why we're here for so many years. 392 00:18:59.068 --> 00:19:03.280 - Don't give up the fight for truly independent cinema! 393 00:19:04.867 --> 00:19:08.975 - By the 90s came along, the VHS was going away 394 00:19:09.009 --> 00:19:14.014 and so was all the independent video stores. 395 00:19:14.877 --> 00:19:16.362 Again, I'm a little hazy on it 396 00:19:16.396 --> 00:19:19.330 but it seems that an evil empire called Blockbuster 397 00:19:19.365 --> 00:19:21.160 put everybody out of business 398 00:19:22.230 --> 00:19:24.680 and they in turn went bankrupt. 399 00:19:25.509 --> 00:19:26.682 ♪ What a difference 400 00:19:26.717 --> 00:19:28.753 The two elements that make us successful 401 00:19:28.788 --> 00:19:31.135 is our movies are good and they last 402 00:19:31.170 --> 00:19:32.999 and they're still here. 403 00:19:33.033 --> 00:19:35.001 Terror Firmer is literally a movie that came out 404 00:19:35.035 --> 00:19:37.176 in 1999 that nobody understood 405 00:19:37.210 --> 00:19:39.281 and it is a crazy movie. 406 00:19:40.696 --> 00:19:42.284 - [Announcer] Terror Firmer. 407 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:44.873 - What we got here is a basic cereal killer. 408 00:19:44.907 --> 00:19:47.807 - You know your killer's choices of victims 409 00:19:47.841 --> 00:19:49.843 indicates some sort of personal animosity 410 00:19:49.878 --> 00:19:51.466 against you and your company. 411 00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:54.917 - Family values must be saved! 412 00:19:54.952 --> 00:19:56.125 - Yeah, right. 413 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:57.748 [laughing] 414 00:19:57.782 --> 00:19:58.921 [wet crunching] 415 00:19:58.956 --> 00:19:59.957 [screaming] 416 00:19:59.991 --> 00:20:01.061 - Where's the blood? 417 00:20:01.096 --> 00:20:02.787 Where's the blood?God damn it, where's the blood? 418 00:20:02.822 --> 00:20:03.788 - We're dead. 419 00:20:03.823 --> 00:20:04.617 No! 420 00:20:04.651 --> 00:20:07.033 This is a Troma movie. 421 00:20:07.067 --> 00:20:09.208 - That guy is really dead. 422 00:20:09.242 --> 00:20:11.796 - These movie people are disgusting. 423 00:20:11.831 --> 00:20:13.039 [screaming] 424 00:20:13.073 --> 00:20:15.248 - Oh, so you're asking me about Terror Firmer, 425 00:20:15.283 --> 00:20:17.595 my huge big part in Terror Firmer. 426 00:20:17.630 --> 00:20:21.358 I mean it is like I was the star of that movie, naturally. 427 00:20:21.392 --> 00:20:25.085 My part consisted, I think of this, like. 428 00:20:27.156 --> 00:20:27.950 That's it. 429 00:20:27.985 --> 00:20:29.055 That was it. 430 00:20:29.089 --> 00:20:31.057 I think that was it. I think I came on to the set 431 00:20:31.091 --> 00:20:34.647 to give a really dumb shocked reaction 432 00:20:34.681 --> 00:20:36.821 to somebody's head getting like chopped off, 433 00:20:36.856 --> 00:20:38.996 I think, maybe, if I remember correctly. 434 00:20:39.030 --> 00:20:41.378 I think I was there maybe amatter of 10 minutes on the set, 435 00:20:41.412 --> 00:20:43.345 if I'm remembering right. 436 00:20:43.380 --> 00:20:45.865 So yes, you're welcome for Terror Firmer, 437 00:20:45.899 --> 00:20:46.831 it was all me. 438 00:20:46.866 --> 00:20:48.868 Thank you, thank you. 439 00:20:51.871 --> 00:20:52.665 - Yabba dabba do. 440 00:20:52.699 --> 00:20:54.253 - What did I tell ya? 441 00:20:54.287 --> 00:20:55.633 - You know, Jim and I were friends. 442 00:20:55.668 --> 00:20:57.186 Just he's a fan 443 00:20:57.221 --> 00:21:01.536 and he was friends with Mark McGee and people like that 444 00:21:01.570 --> 00:21:04.573 and I met him at some different parties and stuff 445 00:21:04.608 --> 00:21:09.233 but mostly through Bill Warren and Mark McGee. 446 00:21:09.268 --> 00:21:10.890 Jim and I got to know each other. 447 00:21:10.924 --> 00:21:13.410 We really weren't friends but for a few years 448 00:21:13.444 --> 00:21:15.722 and then, you know, we just started hanging out. 449 00:21:15.757 --> 00:21:17.241 We lived near each other 450 00:21:17.276 --> 00:21:21.866 and eventually we thought of doing a few projects together. 451 00:21:21.901 --> 00:21:24.731 Which we did and we've had some fun. 452 00:21:26.043 --> 00:21:28.563 [gunfire] 453 00:21:28.597 --> 00:21:31.393 - Dinosaur Island we decided to co-direct. 454 00:21:31.428 --> 00:21:34.603 Which was wonderful because were surrounded 455 00:21:34.638 --> 00:21:39.194 by a horde of hot chicks for two weeks. 456 00:21:39.228 --> 00:21:41.852 Okay and this is beyond Michelle Bauer, 457 00:21:41.886 --> 00:21:44.199 or Griffin Drew, and Antonia Dorian, 458 00:21:44.233 --> 00:21:46.270 and Toni Naples, who was also in that movie. 459 00:21:46.305 --> 00:21:50.654 There were a number of other, you know, fun girls. 460 00:21:50.688 --> 00:21:53.967 That's where we met Nikki Fritz for the first time 461 00:21:54.002 --> 00:21:57.833 and we had hired this girl to do a dance 462 00:21:57.868 --> 00:22:00.629 and she was awful. 463 00:22:00.664 --> 00:22:05.116 We started shooting it and she just didn't know how to move 464 00:22:05.151 --> 00:22:07.498 and I said, and Fred was directing. 465 00:22:07.533 --> 00:22:10.294 I said, Fred let's do this tomorrow. 466 00:22:11.330 --> 00:22:12.848 Call it a night. 467 00:22:12.883 --> 00:22:15.230 I'll get somebody knew and I had met this Nikki Fritz 468 00:22:15.264 --> 00:22:17.681 who was a stripper from Florida 469 00:22:17.715 --> 00:22:21.926 and she came in the next day and just nailed it 470 00:22:21.961 --> 00:22:23.928 and I'm so glad we waited. 471 00:22:23.963 --> 00:22:24.929 [tense music] 472 00:22:24.964 --> 00:22:27.518 - [Narrator] A house abandoned. 473 00:22:27.553 --> 00:22:28.692 - We're gonna turn this 474 00:22:28.726 --> 00:22:30.418 into the best sorority house in school. 475 00:22:31.591 --> 00:22:33.731 - [Narrator] That holds a secret. 476 00:22:33.766 --> 00:22:35.492 - A Ouija board. 477 00:22:35.526 --> 00:22:37.356 Let's shake up the spirit world. 478 00:22:37.390 --> 00:22:38.840 - There were sets left over 479 00:22:38.874 --> 00:22:41.429 from Slumber Party Massacre Three 480 00:22:41.463 --> 00:22:42.706 and they were trashed. 481 00:22:42.740 --> 00:22:45.950 They had blood all over and paint spilled on em 482 00:22:45.985 --> 00:22:49.195 and all the furniture had been removed 483 00:22:50.092 --> 00:22:53.268 and I called Julie Corman 484 00:22:53.302 --> 00:22:55.097 and said, you know I could shoot a horror movie 485 00:22:55.132 --> 00:22:58.480 here in about six days, if you gave me the money 486 00:22:58.515 --> 00:23:00.724 and she said, "Well those sets are trashed." 487 00:23:00.758 --> 00:23:03.623 And I said, I'll make it work 488 00:23:03.658 --> 00:23:05.418 and so I came up with the idea 489 00:23:05.453 --> 00:23:08.387 that five girls are moving into a house 490 00:23:08.421 --> 00:23:10.527 that has been trashed 491 00:23:10.561 --> 00:23:12.114 and the villain is Hokstedter 492 00:23:12.149 --> 00:23:15.048 which by, you know, coincidence 493 00:23:15.083 --> 00:23:16.912 was the name of my Directory of Photography 494 00:23:16.947 --> 00:23:18.604 for the last couple of movies 495 00:23:18.638 --> 00:23:21.814 and it was Clive Hokstedter 496 00:23:21.848 --> 00:23:26.439 and I needed somebody to play the other villain 497 00:23:26.474 --> 00:23:30.547 and the other villain was played by Orville Ketchum, 498 00:23:30.581 --> 00:23:32.445 who really wasn't a villain at all. 499 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:35.103 That name popped into my head 500 00:23:35.137 --> 00:23:38.244 as I was writing the script. 501 00:23:38.278 --> 00:23:40.419 I had to write the script in like four days 502 00:23:41.592 --> 00:23:44.699 just to get, make sure it got read and approved 503 00:23:44.733 --> 00:23:46.770 before everybody left for Europe. 504 00:23:46.804 --> 00:23:48.875 Rodger and his wife were just taking off. 505 00:23:48.910 --> 00:23:50.946 So I had to write it in four days 506 00:23:50.981 --> 00:23:53.086 and I was sitting there at New Horizons, 507 00:23:53.121 --> 00:23:56.538 in one of the spare rooms, typing away 508 00:23:56.573 --> 00:23:58.609 and that name just came into my head. 509 00:23:58.644 --> 00:24:00.784 A few days after they approved they script, 510 00:24:00.818 --> 00:24:03.131 I was casting, and he just walked in. 511 00:24:03.165 --> 00:24:06.341 He was the only guy who walked in 512 00:24:06.375 --> 00:24:09.344 and when he came in I said, that's my guy. 513 00:24:09.378 --> 00:24:11.484 That's Orville Ketchum, okay, 514 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:14.453 and he sat down and he read the script 515 00:24:14.487 --> 00:24:17.421 and he turned on Orville Ketchum. 516 00:24:18.353 --> 00:24:19.837 He just did it. 517 00:24:19.872 --> 00:24:24.221 Right there in the casting office 518 00:24:24.255 --> 00:24:26.223 and it was wonderful. 519 00:24:26.257 --> 00:24:27.707 I said, this the guy. 520 00:24:27.742 --> 00:24:31.400 This is a sign from God that I should make this movie. 521 00:24:31.435 --> 00:24:33.920 [eerie music] 522 00:24:35.646 --> 00:24:37.476 - We were reinventing something there. 523 00:24:37.510 --> 00:24:42.204 We were doing a parody ofsomething that was very popular 524 00:24:42.239 --> 00:24:46.623 at the time and in Jim inventing that character 525 00:24:47.865 --> 00:24:50.005 destroyed all the other movies before it, 526 00:24:50.040 --> 00:24:52.180 in my opinion, because I just love Orville. 527 00:24:52.214 --> 00:24:54.320 Orville Ketchum is my favorite character 528 00:24:54.354 --> 00:24:56.391 of all the Jim Wynorski films 529 00:24:56.425 --> 00:24:59.152 and working with Peter Spellos on those things 530 00:24:59.187 --> 00:25:00.568 was amazing, too. 531 00:25:00.602 --> 00:25:01.914 - [Narrator] A madman has sealed 532 00:25:01.948 --> 00:25:03.881 off a Los Angeles high rise 533 00:25:04.744 --> 00:25:06.712 trapping the occupants inside. 534 00:25:09.266 --> 00:25:10.232 - Who's there? 535 00:25:10.267 --> 00:25:12.303 [eerie music] 536 00:25:12.338 --> 00:25:14.098 - Hey, the phones dead. 537 00:25:15.514 --> 00:25:18.206 - [Narrator] Now, five young women are joining forces 538 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.725 and fighting for their lives. 539 00:25:21.520 --> 00:25:22.797 - Look, it's three against one, 540 00:25:22.831 --> 00:25:24.350 the odds are in our favor. 541 00:25:24.384 --> 00:25:26.076 - Maybe I can increase those odds. 542 00:25:28.216 --> 00:25:29.907 - I love that character 543 00:25:29.942 --> 00:25:33.393 and when Rodger Corman said make another one, 544 00:25:34.602 --> 00:25:36.396 which was Hard to Die, 545 00:25:36.431 --> 00:25:37.812 because he had just finished this thing 546 00:25:37.846 --> 00:25:39.814 called Corporate Assets 547 00:25:39.848 --> 00:25:42.713 and it's a movie that everybody's forgotten, everybody. 548 00:25:42.748 --> 00:25:46.614 I don't think it's even available on DVD or VHS 549 00:25:46.648 --> 00:25:51.204 and he had all these office building pieces 550 00:25:51.239 --> 00:25:54.138 and I just said I'm gonna do hard, you know Die Hard 551 00:25:54.173 --> 00:25:58.108 with chicks in a, in a great, on great sets 552 00:25:58.142 --> 00:25:59.040 and we did. 553 00:25:59.074 --> 00:26:00.800 We had a great time doing that. 554 00:26:00.835 --> 00:26:02.319 Deborah Dutch was in that one, too. 555 00:26:02.353 --> 00:26:05.633 - We were working in theoriginal Rodger Corman studios, 556 00:26:05.667 --> 00:26:07.531 Santa Rosa Avenue of Venice 557 00:26:07.566 --> 00:26:11.984 and the turn around, sometimes,was barely eight hours 558 00:26:12.018 --> 00:26:13.882 but he always made sure it was eight hours 559 00:26:13.917 --> 00:26:17.092 but driving from West Hollywood to Venice 560 00:26:17.127 --> 00:26:18.680 and then staying real late. 561 00:26:18.715 --> 00:26:22.132 So the hours, you know, kind of grueling 562 00:26:22.166 --> 00:26:24.548 because we have a budget, you know, 563 00:26:24.583 --> 00:26:29.588 in low budget movie making of maybe two weeks top, 564 00:26:30.727 --> 00:26:32.142 if you have that, usually 10 days 565 00:26:32.176 --> 00:26:35.283 and I had a lead role, co-star role. 566 00:26:35.317 --> 00:26:39.011 So it just was boom boom boom boom boom. 567 00:26:39.045 --> 00:26:42.739 So as long as you showed up early 568 00:26:42.773 --> 00:26:46.328 before your call time to make sure you were completely 569 00:26:46.363 --> 00:26:50.091 set ready, camera ready, knew your lines, 570 00:26:50.125 --> 00:26:54.543 hit your marks, and weren't a problem, Jim loved you. 571 00:26:54.578 --> 00:26:59.272 We had squibs on us because I get killed by a machine gun 572 00:26:59.307 --> 00:27:02.310 and we were in the warehouse 573 00:27:02.344 --> 00:27:04.346 where the guns are 574 00:27:04.381 --> 00:27:08.350 and Jim goes, and it's towards the end of the movie, 575 00:27:08.385 --> 00:27:10.905 so we had to stay on budget 576 00:27:10.939 --> 00:27:14.218 and with the special effects of squibs back then, 577 00:27:14.253 --> 00:27:15.461 you know, this was a big deal, 578 00:27:15.495 --> 00:27:17.290 'cause blood would splatter allover 579 00:27:17.325 --> 00:27:18.602 and everything like that. 580 00:27:18.637 --> 00:27:20.224 So you can't mess up. 581 00:27:20.259 --> 00:27:21.570 You just can't do it. 582 00:27:21.605 --> 00:27:24.677 So, Jim goes, "Okay Debbie, 583 00:27:24.712 --> 00:27:26.506 there's gonna be one shot there, one shot there, 584 00:27:26.541 --> 00:27:28.336 one shot there" with the AK47, 585 00:27:28.370 --> 00:27:31.028 "One shot there, one shotthere, one shot there, one shot, 586 00:27:31.063 --> 00:27:34.031 and while the shots there, it hits you in the chest 587 00:27:34.066 --> 00:27:35.067 and you fall back." 588 00:27:35.101 --> 00:27:36.171 And I said, okay. 589 00:27:36.206 --> 00:27:37.897 He says, "Okay, camera rolling." 590 00:27:37.932 --> 00:27:41.176 Boom, boom, boom, boom and I went 591 00:27:41.211 --> 00:27:42.315 and I made a mistake. 592 00:27:42.350 --> 00:27:44.041 I did not do it on time 593 00:27:44.076 --> 00:27:45.042 and he's like, "Cut, cut, cut. 594 00:27:45.077 --> 00:27:46.561 No, Debbie. 595 00:27:46.595 --> 00:27:50.082 When the AK47", it's a six shot or something like that, 596 00:27:50.116 --> 00:27:51.808 "That's when you do it." 597 00:27:51.842 --> 00:27:53.395 I said, okay, okay I got it. 598 00:27:53.430 --> 00:27:54.776 So I'm sitting there, you know, 599 00:27:54.811 --> 00:27:56.916 making sure I got this, with a squib 600 00:27:56.951 --> 00:27:59.022 because they're gonna explode it. 601 00:27:59.056 --> 00:28:00.333 The bloods gonna go. 602 00:28:00.368 --> 00:28:01.749 So, you go boom boom. 603 00:28:01.783 --> 00:28:03.785 I messed up the second time. 604 00:28:03.820 --> 00:28:05.925 The third time I just said, I said like, 605 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.170 oh no, this is it, third one, it's gonna be it. 606 00:28:09.204 --> 00:28:10.827 So boom boom boom boom boom. 607 00:28:10.861 --> 00:28:13.381 I went bam, fall back on my back, 608 00:28:13.415 --> 00:28:17.005 my feet go straight up in the air, I scream of course, 609 00:28:17.040 --> 00:28:20.077 and Jim goes, "Cut" 610 00:28:20.112 --> 00:28:21.769 and the whole place cracked up. 611 00:28:21.803 --> 00:28:24.150 When you see that scene, I literally bounce, 612 00:28:24.185 --> 00:28:27.498 my feet go straight up in the air and then I go dead. 613 00:28:27.533 --> 00:28:30.847 - What would happen is that he kind of threw me in there 614 00:28:30.881 --> 00:28:34.747 and, you know, actors are alwayslooking to pay their rent. 615 00:28:34.782 --> 00:28:36.680 So he would call and he'd go, "Are you free, 616 00:28:36.715 --> 00:28:38.095 do you want to come down, and you know, 617 00:28:38.130 --> 00:28:39.683 so you can make a little bit of money?" 618 00:28:39.718 --> 00:28:44.170 and he'd always have these weird things for me to do. 619 00:28:44.205 --> 00:28:46.966 I just remember, I think it was Monique and I, 620 00:28:47.001 --> 00:28:48.243 Monique Gabrielle and I. 621 00:28:48.278 --> 00:28:50.314 - Cut, cut, cut, cut. 622 00:28:50.349 --> 00:28:51.660 For Christ sake, cut. 623 00:28:51.695 --> 00:28:53.007 - What's the matter with that, Mel? 624 00:28:53.041 --> 00:28:54.594 - Yeah, I thought we had a real moment there. 625 00:28:54.629 --> 00:28:55.423 - Me, too. 626 00:28:55.457 --> 00:28:56.735 - Look at your feet. 627 00:28:56.769 --> 00:29:00.221 How many times I have told youto go to bed with your shoes on? 628 00:29:00.255 --> 00:29:02.602 - Well, nobody goes to bed with spiked heels on. 629 00:29:02.637 --> 00:29:03.776 That's ridiculous. 630 00:29:03.811 --> 00:29:05.985 - Yeah, well some people think they're sexy, 631 00:29:06.020 --> 00:29:07.055 - It's stupid. 632 00:29:07.090 --> 00:29:08.401 - I agree. 633 00:29:08.436 --> 00:29:09.955 - I've never been to bed with a girl who keeps her shoes on. 634 00:29:09.989 --> 00:29:11.404 - Yeah and lay you odds 635 00:29:11.439 --> 00:29:13.786 you've never been to bed with two women at the same time, either. 636 00:29:13.821 --> 00:29:15.546 Neither have the slobs that rent these movies. 637 00:29:15.581 --> 00:29:16.996 That's why we're making em. 638 00:29:17.031 --> 00:29:19.688 - You know, any movie with that many machine guns 639 00:29:19.723 --> 00:29:21.794 and that much real pyro 640 00:29:21.829 --> 00:29:26.074 and you can see the wires coming from Peters. 641 00:29:26.109 --> 00:29:28.628 You know, they had him wired up with so many squibs 642 00:29:28.663 --> 00:29:30.320 and so many, it was just, I loved it. 643 00:29:30.354 --> 00:29:32.322 I loved working on those kind of films. 644 00:29:33.702 --> 00:29:35.118 - [Narrator] They broke into the mall 645 00:29:35.152 --> 00:29:38.017 for the wildest all night party of their lives. 646 00:29:38.052 --> 00:29:40.399 [tense music] 647 00:29:40.433 --> 00:29:41.607 - They're dead meat. 648 00:29:41.641 --> 00:29:42.815 [screaming] 649 00:29:42.850 --> 00:29:44.334 - [Narrator] But you're never alone 650 00:29:45.714 --> 00:29:47.544 in the Chopping Mall. 651 00:29:47.578 --> 00:29:50.961 - I met him because he called me in for a meeting 652 00:29:50.996 --> 00:29:53.515 for, it was called Robot at the time, 653 00:29:53.550 --> 00:29:54.862 then it was called Killbot 654 00:29:54.896 --> 00:29:57.899 and you all know it as Chopping Mall. 655 00:29:57.934 --> 00:29:59.763 [laughing] 656 00:29:59.798 --> 00:30:02.007 Much to our chagrin at the time. 657 00:30:02.041 --> 00:30:03.180 However, little did I know 658 00:30:03.215 --> 00:30:04.837 I'd be sitting here in 2019 659 00:30:04.872 --> 00:30:06.114 talking about Chopping Mall. 660 00:30:06.149 --> 00:30:07.598 So, thank you. 661 00:30:09.117 --> 00:30:11.810 I went in and auditioned and I was doing The Zero Boys 662 00:30:11.844 --> 00:30:13.018 which it was a night shoot, 663 00:30:13.052 --> 00:30:14.985 so we would break at the crack of dawn. 664 00:30:15.020 --> 00:30:16.953 We did it at Jason's cabin. 665 00:30:16.987 --> 00:30:19.127 So it was kind of a far drive and everything else 666 00:30:19.162 --> 00:30:21.612 and so I went pretty much right from the set. 667 00:30:21.647 --> 00:30:22.751 I was exhausted. 668 00:30:22.786 --> 00:30:24.512 So I was super relaxed. 669 00:30:24.546 --> 00:30:26.307 And he thought, okay this girls gonna be great 670 00:30:26.341 --> 00:30:27.687 to work with because she's got, 671 00:30:27.722 --> 00:30:29.413 hasn't got a nerve in her body 672 00:30:29.448 --> 00:30:31.450 and there's nothing I can do that's going 673 00:30:31.484 --> 00:30:34.384 to upset her, probably is what he thought, 674 00:30:34.418 --> 00:30:36.524 and then I had to read for Julie 675 00:30:36.558 --> 00:30:37.732 and I kind of got nervous. 676 00:30:37.766 --> 00:30:39.216 He said, "What's the matter with you? 677 00:30:39.251 --> 00:30:40.217 You were so relaxed before." 678 00:30:40.252 --> 00:30:42.668 And I said, well I was tired then 679 00:30:42.702 --> 00:30:45.498 and now I'm auditing for the Cormans 680 00:30:45.533 --> 00:30:46.914 but you know, I calmed down 681 00:30:46.948 --> 00:30:48.950 and fortunately for me I got the part 682 00:30:48.985 --> 00:30:51.919 and then from there on, like I said, 683 00:30:51.953 --> 00:30:54.438 I will reiterate, you're always happy 684 00:30:54.473 --> 00:30:57.096 to go in and do something for a day or so 685 00:30:57.131 --> 00:31:00.030 because you're always, you know. 686 00:31:00.065 --> 00:31:02.584 It's a freelance type of gig, acting. 687 00:31:02.619 --> 00:31:05.104 So I was very grateful that, 688 00:31:06.450 --> 00:31:08.487 to anybody that continues to, calls you up 689 00:31:08.521 --> 00:31:11.248 and says do you want to come and do something, 690 00:31:11.283 --> 00:31:13.078 because it means that, 691 00:31:13.112 --> 00:31:15.977 you know it's that no like and trust factor 692 00:31:17.185 --> 00:31:20.361 and that's a lot of this business is all about. 693 00:31:20.395 --> 00:31:22.328 One day I got a call from Andy Lane 694 00:31:22.363 --> 00:31:25.676 and he said, "Do you want to be in Servants of Twilight?" 695 00:31:25.711 --> 00:31:28.127 And I looked at it, and I thought, 696 00:31:28.162 --> 00:31:30.923 this is a great part because in the book everyone, 697 00:31:30.958 --> 00:31:32.442 I don't know if it reads in the movie 698 00:31:32.476 --> 00:31:34.927 'cause I don't, I haven't seen it in a long time 699 00:31:34.962 --> 00:31:39.828 but in the book it reads like she could be the person, 700 00:31:39.863 --> 00:31:42.141 she could be the leak in that office 701 00:31:42.176 --> 00:31:44.005 and I thought, that's very, 702 00:31:44.040 --> 00:31:45.834 that's great, I'd love to. 703 00:31:45.869 --> 00:31:48.458 And so, and I didn't really, 704 00:31:48.492 --> 00:31:51.047 at the time I don't think I was aware of Bruce Greenwood 705 00:31:51.081 --> 00:31:53.049 but I was afterwards, you know, 706 00:31:53.083 --> 00:31:55.396 and I thought, wow, thank you, Andy. 707 00:31:55.430 --> 00:31:56.880 - [Narrator] Servants of Twilight. 708 00:31:56.915 --> 00:31:59.572 [phone ringing] 709 00:32:00.504 --> 00:32:02.023 - Hello? 710 00:32:02.058 --> 00:32:03.956 - [Woman] Joey Scavello? 711 00:32:03.991 --> 00:32:05.233 - Grandma? 712 00:32:05.268 --> 00:32:08.029 - [Woman] I told you couldn't hide from me. 713 00:32:08.064 --> 00:32:11.688 I can see you wherever you go. 714 00:32:11.722 --> 00:32:14.242 I'm going to bring judgment down on you 715 00:32:14.277 --> 00:32:16.382 and cut your vile little heart out. 716 00:32:18.005 --> 00:32:20.283 - It was so looked down upon. 717 00:32:20.317 --> 00:32:21.801 I remember in the 90s you'd say, 718 00:32:21.836 --> 00:32:22.975 well that's direct to video, 719 00:32:23.010 --> 00:32:25.115 like it was bad thing. 720 00:32:25.150 --> 00:32:27.014 - Well, it was just one of those old dark house 721 00:32:27.048 --> 00:32:29.326 kind of movies, with a bunch of girls running around. 722 00:32:29.361 --> 00:32:30.603 I liked working with Dick Miller 723 00:32:30.638 --> 00:32:32.467 and I liked having Arte Johnson in there 724 00:32:32.502 --> 00:32:33.986 and David Carradine was friend of mine. 725 00:32:34.021 --> 00:32:38.335 So, you know, it was pretty entertaining. 726 00:32:38.370 --> 00:32:39.371 Bob Quarry, you know, 727 00:32:39.405 --> 00:32:40.855 who played Count Yorga, Vampire, 728 00:32:40.889 --> 00:32:42.753 he came in and did some of the voiceovers 729 00:32:42.788 --> 00:32:45.825 for the creature and then I did some of them 730 00:32:45.860 --> 00:32:47.206 and it was fun. 731 00:32:47.241 --> 00:32:48.897 I mean it was a quick, quick movie 732 00:32:48.932 --> 00:32:50.071 but it was one of those films 733 00:32:50.106 --> 00:32:51.970 where you were putting up your own money 734 00:32:52.004 --> 00:32:53.316 and there was no one to tell you 735 00:32:53.350 --> 00:32:54.834 that you couldn't do something. 736 00:32:54.869 --> 00:32:57.596 So just about anything we wanted to do would fly. 737 00:32:59.011 --> 00:33:02.325 - [Narrator] Every step forward is a step backward. 738 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:04.775 - I've come to destroy you. 739 00:33:06.812 --> 00:33:07.986 - [Narrator] And every room 740 00:33:09.056 --> 00:33:10.540 is a room with a view. 741 00:33:10.574 --> 00:33:12.162 - Doing the animation plates 742 00:33:12.197 --> 00:33:15.579 is something that I had some experience with already 743 00:33:15.614 --> 00:33:19.721 and we worked with a company called Streamline in New York 744 00:33:19.756 --> 00:33:22.793 and we did it with an aerial image of photography 745 00:33:22.828 --> 00:33:24.899 and we were doing a lot of rotoscoping anyway 746 00:33:24.933 --> 00:33:28.454 with Bret Mixon for movies like Beverly Hill's Vamp 747 00:33:28.489 --> 00:33:29.559 and stuff like that. 748 00:33:29.593 --> 00:33:30.801 So we knew we had 749 00:33:30.836 --> 00:33:33.770 to have a Mitchell Twin Pin registered camera 750 00:33:33.804 --> 00:33:36.531 'cause every frame had to be locked in position 751 00:33:36.566 --> 00:33:39.845 or they'd be gate weave andthat would throw off everything. 752 00:33:39.879 --> 00:33:41.226 So we did storyboards. 753 00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:42.882 So where we knew we wanted the monster 754 00:33:42.917 --> 00:33:44.367 to come up and look over a chair 755 00:33:44.401 --> 00:33:46.679 and we would shoot, you know, the chair 756 00:33:46.714 --> 00:33:48.095 and then, sort of this stuff, 757 00:33:48.129 --> 00:33:49.682 is like where the girl fell down 758 00:33:49.717 --> 00:33:53.652 and then we had to pull her top off with fishing line. 759 00:33:53.686 --> 00:33:56.103 We pulled the little wire so it would pop off 760 00:33:56.137 --> 00:33:58.760 and then, and then Bret would rotoscope it. 761 00:33:58.795 --> 00:34:01.556 He would do a cartoon animation paper cell, 762 00:34:01.591 --> 00:34:02.833 which drew the girl. 763 00:34:02.868 --> 00:34:05.560 So that then when her hand would come up, 764 00:34:05.595 --> 00:34:08.149 her hand would pass in front of the creature 765 00:34:08.184 --> 00:34:11.497 which was actually an animationcell on top of the footage. 766 00:34:11.532 --> 00:34:14.155 So they would roto out the shape of her hand 767 00:34:14.190 --> 00:34:15.708 as it passed in front of them. 768 00:34:15.743 --> 00:34:16.916 So it was pretty complicated 769 00:34:16.951 --> 00:34:18.297 and these were hand painted cells. 770 00:34:18.332 --> 00:34:21.128 You know, there were thousands and thousands of them 771 00:34:21.162 --> 00:34:23.923 and then would project the film one frame 772 00:34:23.958 --> 00:34:26.064 at a time onto the aerial image lens 773 00:34:26.098 --> 00:34:28.307 and hang the animation cell in front 774 00:34:28.342 --> 00:34:30.068 and then re-photograph it. 775 00:34:30.102 --> 00:34:32.070 So it would then combine the two things. 776 00:34:32.104 --> 00:34:34.002 It was pretty complicated for a movie 777 00:34:34.037 --> 00:34:37.420 with $140,000 budget and 35mm, 778 00:34:37.454 --> 00:34:39.732 Screen Actors Guild, and some of the actors picked 779 00:34:39.767 --> 00:34:41.493 up $20,000 for their parts. 780 00:34:41.527 --> 00:34:43.529 So it was quite a feat 781 00:34:43.564 --> 00:34:45.393 for the amount of money we spent. 782 00:34:45.428 --> 00:34:49.087 - Fred is a very efficient filmmaker. 783 00:34:49.121 --> 00:34:52.331 He doesn't give a lot of personal direction 784 00:34:52.366 --> 00:34:55.886 and unless you would have like a heart attack on set, 785 00:34:55.921 --> 00:34:59.407 you got one take because they were shooting on 35mm. 786 00:35:00.615 --> 00:35:03.239 - [Narrator] Victoria is a very frightened woman. 787 00:35:03.273 --> 00:35:06.380 - I'm having dreams. 788 00:35:06.414 --> 00:35:09.348 Dreams that won't let me sleep. 789 00:35:09.383 --> 00:35:10.729 Nightmares. 790 00:35:10.763 --> 00:35:14.698 Most of the time I'm being buried alive. 791 00:35:17.839 --> 00:35:20.532 - One of my favorite movies was Haunting Fear 792 00:35:20.566 --> 00:35:24.812 in the probably around 1991, I think it was. 793 00:35:24.846 --> 00:35:27.677 It was the biggest part I had to date 794 00:35:27.711 --> 00:35:29.230 and when Fred handed me a script, 795 00:35:29.265 --> 00:35:31.267 I thought it was for the role of the secretary 796 00:35:31.301 --> 00:35:33.545 but he's like, no I want you to play the lead. 797 00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:35.374 So I worked with Jan Michael Vincent, 798 00:35:35.409 --> 00:35:37.687 and Karen Black, and Robert Quarry. 799 00:35:37.721 --> 00:35:40.655 I was in practically every scene 800 00:35:40.690 --> 00:35:42.692 and it was one of the first movies where 801 00:35:42.726 --> 00:35:46.144 I go from being a victim to kind of being a villain 802 00:35:46.178 --> 00:35:49.008 and I didn't die in the end. 803 00:35:49.043 --> 00:35:51.321 That was something unique and different. 804 00:35:51.356 --> 00:35:53.323 I am very very fond of that movie. 805 00:35:53.358 --> 00:35:56.015 I wish it would come out on DVD 806 00:35:56.050 --> 00:35:58.121 because it never has. 807 00:35:58.156 --> 00:35:59.536 - Haunting Fear was a movie 808 00:35:59.571 --> 00:36:03.575 that was made in the samehouse as Evil Toons, same sets. 809 00:36:03.609 --> 00:36:06.267 You see them go into thecellar where Dick Miller's dead 810 00:36:06.302 --> 00:36:08.994 and you find Dick Miller dead. 811 00:36:09.028 --> 00:36:12.135 That's the same cellar where the guys body was buried 812 00:36:12.170 --> 00:36:16.691 in Spirits and I don't know why we made that film 813 00:36:16.726 --> 00:36:18.210 but when we did, we went and watched 814 00:36:18.245 --> 00:36:21.213 Legend of Hell House and The Haunting and The Evil, 815 00:36:21.248 --> 00:36:22.559 we watched all these things, 816 00:36:22.594 --> 00:36:25.113 and somebody wanted to make this. 817 00:36:25.148 --> 00:36:29.325 So we did and it obviously it seemed perfect 818 00:36:29.359 --> 00:36:32.569 for her to be a psychic in there. 819 00:36:32.604 --> 00:36:34.571 Well, you know, we've always tired 820 00:36:34.606 --> 00:36:38.506 at Retro Media, to produce original content 821 00:36:38.541 --> 00:36:41.751 and I've over the years, I've invested, of course, 822 00:36:41.785 --> 00:36:44.029 and financed other people's films. 823 00:36:44.063 --> 00:36:45.858 [wolf howling] 824 00:36:45.893 --> 00:36:48.723 - [Narrator] A fairy tale born from a legend. 825 00:36:48.758 --> 00:36:51.174 A truth more terrifying than the tale. 826 00:36:52.313 --> 00:36:54.142 - Say a prayer for Daddy tonight, okay? 827 00:36:54.177 --> 00:36:56.352 - [Narrator] Only one man had the courage 828 00:36:56.386 --> 00:36:58.733 to stand against the forces of darkness. 829 00:36:59.976 --> 00:37:04.981 - In 1994 Fred had a scream queen contest 830 00:37:05.844 --> 00:37:07.052 with the Phil Donahue Show. 831 00:37:07.086 --> 00:37:09.848 He and some celebrity guests were on board 832 00:37:09.882 --> 00:37:13.817 and they had people auditioningto be a scream queen 833 00:37:13.852 --> 00:37:17.027 and whoever did the best audition got the part 834 00:37:17.062 --> 00:37:19.823 and would come down in February to meet with us 835 00:37:19.858 --> 00:37:22.343 in Orlando to make the film. 836 00:37:23.655 --> 00:37:27.452 So, he had a concept and a storyline 837 00:37:27.486 --> 00:37:30.420 that he worked out and he sent that to us 838 00:37:30.455 --> 00:37:32.905 and we started hurriedly writing the script. 839 00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:37.393 Because this was now October of 1994 840 00:37:37.427 --> 00:37:39.360 and he wanted it in video stores 841 00:37:39.395 --> 00:37:42.087 in time for Halloween 1995. 842 00:37:42.121 --> 00:37:46.609 In those days, it was still a four to six month turn around 843 00:37:46.643 --> 00:37:48.231 after you finished the film just 844 00:37:48.266 --> 00:37:50.820 to get all the promotional stuff ready. 845 00:37:50.854 --> 00:37:53.029 To get the deals set up and everything else, 846 00:37:53.063 --> 00:37:54.582 get the release scheduled. 847 00:37:54.617 --> 00:37:58.034 So we were literally on a time clock 848 00:37:58.068 --> 00:38:02.935 and our first weekend we had the actress 849 00:38:04.385 --> 00:38:08.562 that won the contest came down and we did her scene, 850 00:38:08.596 --> 00:38:10.840 she gets to get killed in the opening of the film. 851 00:38:10.874 --> 00:38:14.499 She's with three teenagers that inadvertently 852 00:38:14.533 --> 00:38:18.296 resurrect Jack-O and they get killed for their troubles 853 00:38:18.330 --> 00:38:23.059 and we shot all of that on the first weekend. 854 00:38:23.093 --> 00:38:25.095 There was a crew from the Donahue show there 855 00:38:25.130 --> 00:38:27.857 and they shot background footage for a documentary 856 00:38:27.891 --> 00:38:32.827 and then when the show aired a few months later 857 00:38:32.862 --> 00:38:35.899 they had that material as well as the contest 858 00:38:35.934 --> 00:38:36.831 and so forth. 859 00:38:36.866 --> 00:38:38.592 But that's how Jack-O started. 860 00:38:38.626 --> 00:38:40.387 It was the Phil Donahue show. 861 00:38:40.421 --> 00:38:42.837 We're doing a movie that's supposed to take place 862 00:38:42.872 --> 00:38:47.290 at Halloween in a sort of Midwestern suburb 863 00:38:47.325 --> 00:38:49.361 and we're in Florida and we're shooting 864 00:38:49.396 --> 00:38:50.880 in February, March, and April. 865 00:38:50.914 --> 00:38:53.400 What do you need if you're doing a Halloween film? 866 00:38:54.435 --> 00:38:55.816 Pumpkins. 867 00:38:55.850 --> 00:38:58.784 Okay, so we're going around in November, 868 00:38:58.819 --> 00:39:02.201 we're going after Halloween and after Thanksgiving. 869 00:39:02.236 --> 00:39:03.720 We're bugging everybody, you know, 870 00:39:03.755 --> 00:39:05.481 can we take your pumpkins? 871 00:39:05.515 --> 00:39:06.930 Everybody's like yeah, take 'em. 872 00:39:06.965 --> 00:39:08.863 And I'm storing them in my garage, 873 00:39:08.898 --> 00:39:11.418 which is also the neighborhood we filmed in. 874 00:39:11.452 --> 00:39:15.767 My house was at 1764 WaterbeachCourt Apopka, Florida. 875 00:39:15.801 --> 00:39:17.872 We shot all around my house, 876 00:39:17.907 --> 00:39:19.391 all around the neighborhood. 877 00:39:19.426 --> 00:39:21.945 Infuriated the neighbors when we shot night scenes 878 00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:23.602 because we're keeping everybody up 879 00:39:23.637 --> 00:39:27.537 but I'm keeping all of these pumpkins in my garage 880 00:39:27.572 --> 00:39:31.403 and I was warned that pumpkins rot from the inside 881 00:39:31.438 --> 00:39:35.407 and if they get to that point where'll they seem solid 882 00:39:35.442 --> 00:39:37.409 but if you just bump it lightly 883 00:39:37.444 --> 00:39:39.238 the whole things gonna collapse 884 00:39:39.273 --> 00:39:41.862 and the smell is horrific. 885 00:39:41.896 --> 00:39:43.829 So we're taking all these pumpkins 886 00:39:43.864 --> 00:39:45.279 and we're shellacking them 887 00:39:45.313 --> 00:39:47.902 so that hopefully they'll keep for two, 888 00:39:47.937 --> 00:39:50.008 three, four months while we shoot that film. 889 00:39:50.042 --> 00:39:51.975 So that was tough. 890 00:39:53.149 --> 00:39:56.739 The shoot itself went reasonably well. 891 00:39:58.568 --> 00:40:01.744 It was just, it was just a logistical nightmare. 892 00:40:01.778 --> 00:40:03.711 We had a sequence, 893 00:40:04.712 --> 00:40:06.921 we did it one entire day 894 00:40:06.956 --> 00:40:08.613 we lost all of the footage because 895 00:40:08.647 --> 00:40:10.028 an inexperienced camera loader 896 00:40:10.062 --> 00:40:11.823 had loaded the magazines backwards. 897 00:40:11.857 --> 00:40:13.652 So we had to re shoot that. 898 00:40:13.687 --> 00:40:15.758 We had a bunch of pick up days that we had to do 899 00:40:15.792 --> 00:40:19.555 because it, when I turned in my cut 900 00:40:19.589 --> 00:40:21.522 it was just missing some elements that it needed. 901 00:40:21.557 --> 00:40:25.008 So it took a lot more pickups to get it finished 902 00:40:25.043 --> 00:40:27.425 and get it to where it was. 903 00:40:27.459 --> 00:40:28.840 - In the movie, Jack-O, 904 00:40:28.874 --> 00:40:31.843 I think I only appear on the television screen. 905 00:40:31.877 --> 00:40:33.845 They're watching a movie. 906 00:40:33.879 --> 00:40:35.191 What they're watching, 907 00:40:35.225 --> 00:40:38.781 Fred and I shot in Salem, Massachusetts. 908 00:40:38.815 --> 00:40:43.441 I had bought this costume that looked like it was colonial. 909 00:40:43.475 --> 00:40:45.995 He brought his Bolex camera on the plane 910 00:40:46.029 --> 00:40:49.101 and we shot in graveyards and in old buildings 911 00:40:49.136 --> 00:40:50.551 in and around Salem. 912 00:40:50.586 --> 00:40:54.072 Because he was planning to make a movie called The Coven 913 00:40:54.106 --> 00:40:58.559 and have it be like a girlschool that is into witchcraft. 914 00:40:58.594 --> 00:41:01.493 Well, I don't think he ever made the movie 915 00:41:01.528 --> 00:41:03.840 but we shot all this experimental footage 916 00:41:03.875 --> 00:41:07.879 and so he ended up putting it on the screen in Jack-O. 917 00:41:07.913 --> 00:41:10.122 - My son's character in the film is a horror fan 918 00:41:10.157 --> 00:41:14.264 and he's constantly in frontof the TV watching horror films 919 00:41:15.714 --> 00:41:18.476 and so one of the films he's watching is The Coven 920 00:41:18.510 --> 00:41:19.925 with Brinke Stevens 921 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.964 and Brinke kindly also did some dialogue looping 922 00:41:23.998 --> 00:41:26.967 so that it seemed like more of a movie that he was watching 923 00:41:27.001 --> 00:41:29.003 where a character is talking. 924 00:41:29.038 --> 00:41:31.868 - [Narrator] Evil has a new number. 925 00:41:31.903 --> 00:41:33.456 [screaming] 926 00:41:33.491 --> 00:41:35.493 - Welcome to my hell. 927 00:41:35.527 --> 00:41:38.116 - [Narrator] And the devil has found a new way 928 00:41:38.150 --> 00:41:40.290 to reach out and kill someone. 929 00:41:40.325 --> 00:41:43.431 [screaming] 930 00:41:43.466 --> 00:41:45.054 976-Evil II. 931 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.334 - I was going out with Monique Gabrielle at the time 932 00:41:50.438 --> 00:41:52.820 and she said, "You can't find a spot for me 933 00:41:52.855 --> 00:41:54.891 in 976-Evil II?" 934 00:41:54.926 --> 00:41:56.755 I said, well you know the producers 935 00:41:56.790 --> 00:41:58.067 want this certain type. 936 00:41:58.101 --> 00:42:01.622 She said, "You can't find a spot for me?" 937 00:42:01.657 --> 00:42:03.244 So I went to the producers 938 00:42:03.279 --> 00:42:07.663 and I said, please let her play the lawyer 939 00:42:08.767 --> 00:42:10.735 who gets killed in the car 940 00:42:10.769 --> 00:42:12.288 and they said, okay, 941 00:42:12.322 --> 00:42:15.878 and if you watch that movie, 942 00:42:15.912 --> 00:42:18.846 that car is not in front of a process screen. 943 00:42:18.881 --> 00:42:22.919 It's out there getting hit by other cars. 944 00:42:22.954 --> 00:42:27.268 So she did her little dialogue scene with the villain 945 00:42:27.303 --> 00:42:29.132 and then the next few nights 946 00:42:29.167 --> 00:42:32.550 she was out doing this car scene 947 00:42:32.584 --> 00:42:35.207 and this car scene was, as you know, 948 00:42:35.242 --> 00:42:40.247 it was full of bangs and booms and zips and zangs 949 00:42:40.972 --> 00:42:42.145 and everything else. 950 00:42:42.180 --> 00:42:44.078 She came home the first night and she said, 951 00:42:44.113 --> 00:42:47.012 "I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you." 952 00:42:47.047 --> 00:42:49.705 Her whole body was not contorted 953 00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:52.121 but it was like, and not bruised, 954 00:42:52.155 --> 00:42:56.643 but had been banged around in these cars all night 955 00:42:56.677 --> 00:42:59.128 'cause they were hitting the cars back and forth 956 00:42:59.162 --> 00:43:00.543 back and forth. 957 00:43:00.578 --> 00:43:01.993 Now, that sequence was so popular 958 00:43:02.027 --> 00:43:04.374 that I used it again in Ghoulie's Four. 959 00:43:04.409 --> 00:43:05.686 [laughter] 960 00:43:05.721 --> 00:43:08.033 [screaming] 961 00:43:10.518 --> 00:43:14.695 - I'll go back in time to the actual physical things 962 00:43:14.730 --> 00:43:18.009 that used to happen when I got a score. 963 00:43:18.043 --> 00:43:19.217 I'd get a phone call. 964 00:43:19.251 --> 00:43:21.253 I have another score for you, Chuck. 965 00:43:21.288 --> 00:43:23.704 Okay, when's the work print ready? 966 00:43:23.739 --> 00:43:25.430 It will be ready Tuesday. 967 00:43:25.464 --> 00:43:27.777 Okay, fine. 968 00:43:27.812 --> 00:43:30.435 It would come over as a VHS tape, 969 00:43:30.469 --> 00:43:32.506 or a three quarter inch tape, 970 00:43:32.540 --> 00:43:33.921 and I would take a look at it 971 00:43:33.956 --> 00:43:35.889 and then the director would come over, 972 00:43:35.923 --> 00:43:37.753 we would sit down and look at it, 973 00:43:37.787 --> 00:43:39.306 I would take notes. 974 00:43:39.340 --> 00:43:41.964 The notes, down through as I've done a lot of scores, 975 00:43:41.998 --> 00:43:44.345 the notes got lesser and lesser through scores. 976 00:43:44.380 --> 00:43:46.624 It was like, we don't even use a notepad anymore, 977 00:43:46.658 --> 00:43:47.797 at least Jim and I don't. 978 00:43:47.832 --> 00:43:50.041 Jim and I don't even spot the movie anymore. 979 00:43:50.075 --> 00:43:53.113 He just hands it to me or he finishes it and I start it. 980 00:43:53.147 --> 00:43:56.461 I've done almost all my films in order. 981 00:43:56.495 --> 00:43:58.636 You start at the beginning, you do a main title, 982 00:43:58.670 --> 00:44:03.641 you use your themes from the main title throughout the film 983 00:44:03.675 --> 00:44:06.126 and then you end the movie with either a song 984 00:44:06.160 --> 00:44:07.679 that someone else supplies 985 00:44:07.714 --> 00:44:12.063 or you do a version of the opening title for the end. 986 00:44:12.097 --> 00:44:14.790 Now, sometimes Jim asked me not to do that. 987 00:44:14.824 --> 00:44:16.895 Like with, it was a Tower of Terror 988 00:44:16.930 --> 00:44:18.932 or Sorority House Massacre. 989 00:44:18.966 --> 00:44:21.037 One of them he said, "Do a spaghetti western." 990 00:44:21.072 --> 00:44:23.281 Of course that's, whenever Jim gets bored with a score, 991 00:44:23.315 --> 00:44:25.179 he says, "Do a spaghetti western." 992 00:44:25.214 --> 00:44:27.457 And I would always do a spaghetti western 993 00:44:27.492 --> 00:44:29.183 because I love them, too. 994 00:44:29.218 --> 00:44:31.530 So I would always love it when Jim would say, 995 00:44:31.565 --> 00:44:33.256 "Make this a spaghetti western." 996 00:44:33.291 --> 00:44:34.982 So that was the process back then. 997 00:44:35.017 --> 00:44:38.814 Come in, cassette, look at the cassette. 998 00:44:38.848 --> 00:44:43.128 The cassette gets synchronized via time code with the box 999 00:44:43.163 --> 00:44:48.168 and each time you started the movie 1000 00:44:49.031 --> 00:44:50.722 to write a piece of music, 1001 00:44:50.757 --> 00:44:52.724 you had like a five second pre roll 1002 00:44:52.759 --> 00:44:55.693 'cause you had to wait for it all to sync up 1003 00:44:55.727 --> 00:44:57.177 and then once it's all sync up, 1004 00:44:57.211 --> 00:44:58.834 you can play it against picture 1005 00:44:58.868 --> 00:45:00.732 and you had a few seconds to do that 1006 00:45:00.767 --> 00:45:02.907 and then you go back and you'd start that whole process again. 1007 00:45:02.941 --> 00:45:04.840 I like working on set. 1008 00:45:04.874 --> 00:45:06.911 I like making the pictures happen. 1009 00:45:06.945 --> 00:45:08.775 I love the process of making movies 1010 00:45:08.809 --> 00:45:10.328 but there's nothing better than sitting 1011 00:45:10.362 --> 00:45:13.158 three in the morning in your underwear smoking a joint 1012 00:45:13.193 --> 00:45:14.401 scoring a film. 1013 00:45:14.435 --> 00:45:17.507 - Ghoulies IV was an interesting film 1014 00:45:17.542 --> 00:45:22.547 because I had just thought about the Ghoulies franchise 1015 00:45:23.686 --> 00:45:26.171 and suddenly Paul Hertzberg, at Cinetel, 1016 00:45:26.206 --> 00:45:28.173 said, you now, "They want another Ghoulies. 1017 00:45:28.208 --> 00:45:29.105 Would you like to do it?" 1018 00:45:29.140 --> 00:45:30.451 I said, yes but I don't want 1019 00:45:30.486 --> 00:45:33.316 to do it with those little models. 1020 00:45:33.351 --> 00:45:38.356 I want to do it with two little people in costume 1021 00:45:39.426 --> 00:45:42.947 and but I do want Peter Liapis 1022 00:45:44.017 --> 00:45:46.536 who was in the first one 1023 00:45:46.571 --> 00:45:49.608 so that my mine is a direct sequel to number one. 1024 00:45:49.643 --> 00:45:51.472 'Cause I liked number one 1025 00:45:51.507 --> 00:45:55.856 and if I had Peter, I could do a sequel, a true sequel 1026 00:45:55.891 --> 00:46:00.896 and so we got Peter and Stacie Randall 1027 00:46:01.793 --> 00:46:03.381 who played the villainess. 1028 00:46:03.415 --> 00:46:05.486 It was a lot of fun to make. 1029 00:46:05.521 --> 00:46:07.834 They let me do odd stuff. 1030 00:46:07.868 --> 00:46:10.284 A lot of stuff that normal people, 1031 00:46:10.319 --> 00:46:13.080 producers wouldn't let anybody do 1032 00:46:13.115 --> 00:46:15.048 but they said ago ahead and do it, it's a comedy. 1033 00:46:15.082 --> 00:46:17.188 So I did it and it was a lot of fun. 1034 00:46:17.222 --> 00:46:19.052 - [Narrator] In the time of the witches 1035 00:46:19.086 --> 00:46:20.708 in a place of evil. 1036 00:46:20.743 --> 00:46:22.434 Morella Lock was put to death. 1037 00:46:22.469 --> 00:46:24.298 Now, she's come back. 1038 00:46:24.333 --> 00:46:25.852 - Call me mad if you will 1039 00:46:25.886 --> 00:46:30.339 but my wife has returned to take possession 1040 00:46:30.373 --> 00:46:32.065 of my daughter. 1041 00:46:33.998 --> 00:46:35.344 Morella. 1042 00:46:35.378 --> 00:46:36.552 - [Narrator] Edgar Allen Poe's 1043 00:46:36.586 --> 00:46:38.830 The Haunting of Morella. 1044 00:46:38.865 --> 00:46:41.799 - When I was in Haunting of Morella 1045 00:46:42.938 --> 00:46:45.733 you know, I had just done Playboy. 1046 00:46:45.768 --> 00:46:50.083 So I had come from New York on Broadway, 1047 00:46:50.117 --> 00:46:51.809 I was like a little actress. 1048 00:46:51.843 --> 00:46:53.949 I'm not gonna take my top off. 1049 00:46:53.983 --> 00:46:56.434 I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna show my boobs. 1050 00:46:56.468 --> 00:46:58.850 You know for anything, I'm a real actress. 1051 00:46:58.885 --> 00:47:00.403 I don't want my, 1052 00:47:00.438 --> 00:47:02.371 and I bumped into, 1053 00:47:02.405 --> 00:47:04.683 well Jim actually and I had socially, 1054 00:47:05.995 --> 00:47:07.963 you know knew each other 1055 00:47:09.378 --> 00:47:10.931 and he said, "Well Debbie, 1056 00:47:10.966 --> 00:47:13.106 you know I'd love to use you in my films." 1057 00:47:13.140 --> 00:47:15.729 He said, "But let me know when you're ready 1058 00:47:15.763 --> 00:47:17.179 to pop your top." 1059 00:47:18.111 --> 00:47:19.906 I said, pop my top? 1060 00:47:21.390 --> 00:47:25.877 Okay, Jim I don't want to get involved with all that 1061 00:47:25.912 --> 00:47:27.983 and so then I got into Playboy 1062 00:47:28.017 --> 00:47:29.432 and so I called up, Jim. 1063 00:47:29.467 --> 00:47:31.849 I said, Jim, I'm ready to pop my top. 1064 00:47:31.883 --> 00:47:36.854 - Oh I loved working on Evil Spirits. 1065 00:47:37.993 --> 00:47:40.961 It was amazing working with Karen Black. 1066 00:47:40.996 --> 00:47:44.723 She is a very very special person. 1067 00:47:44.758 --> 00:47:46.933 I saw is even though she's gone now 1068 00:47:46.967 --> 00:47:49.142 because she still is just, 1069 00:47:49.176 --> 00:47:54.181 her energy, she, there's something very spiritual about her 1070 00:47:55.355 --> 00:47:58.910 and I don't know what her thing is. 1071 00:47:58.945 --> 00:48:02.776 Like if she was really into very spiritual or not 1072 00:48:02.810 --> 00:48:06.987 but she had this beautiful aura about her 1073 00:48:07.022 --> 00:48:11.198 and she was so gracious and she was so kind to me 1074 00:48:11.233 --> 00:48:15.996 and it's a spoiler alert 1075 00:48:16.031 --> 00:48:18.516 but I do play her daughter. 1076 00:48:18.550 --> 00:48:22.313 So she was very loving and motherly on that set 1077 00:48:22.347 --> 00:48:27.352 and I play a mute who ends up doing some bad things. 1078 00:48:28.388 --> 00:48:30.045 - [Narrator] Scientists have theorized 1079 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.256 that it is possible to camouflage atoms within themselves 1080 00:48:34.290 --> 00:48:36.396 to achieve invisibility. 1081 00:48:36.430 --> 00:48:39.847 - Feast your eyes on a miracle. 1082 00:48:39.882 --> 00:48:44.059 - [Narrator] These theories have now become realities. 1083 00:48:45.198 --> 00:48:46.889 - Yeah, yeah! 1084 00:48:46.924 --> 00:48:50.582 - [Narrator] Everybody thinks Keven Dornwinkle is strange. 1085 00:48:50.617 --> 00:48:51.411 [laughing] 1086 00:48:51.445 --> 00:48:52.653 His mother thought so. 1087 00:48:52.688 --> 00:48:54.621 - You're grounded for a year. 1088 00:48:54.655 --> 00:48:55.622 - [Narrator] So do his students. 1089 00:48:55.656 --> 00:48:57.141 - Is this guy for real? 1090 00:48:57.175 --> 00:49:00.316 - I'd be willing to do anything for an A. 1091 00:49:00.351 --> 00:49:02.974 - Even his colleagues think he's wacky. 1092 00:49:03.009 --> 00:49:05.045 - And they laughed at me, at me! 1093 00:49:05.080 --> 00:49:07.013 - [Narrator] But ask Kevin Dornwinkle 1094 00:49:07.047 --> 00:49:08.911 what he thinks is weird. 1095 00:49:08.946 --> 00:49:13.951 - With this injection begins my erection. 1096 00:49:14.675 --> 00:49:16.884 [eerie tense music] 1097 00:49:30.691 --> 00:49:32.038 Tis I. 1098 00:49:32.072 --> 00:49:34.488 Your friendly neighborhood invisible maniac. 1099 00:49:37.181 --> 00:49:39.528 [screaming] 1100 00:49:41.495 --> 00:49:42.669 - [Narrator] The Invisible Maniac. 1101 00:49:42.703 --> 00:49:44.498 - One of my all-time favorite films, 1102 00:49:44.533 --> 00:49:48.502 from back in the 80s, 90s era 1103 00:49:48.537 --> 00:49:50.780 was The Invisible Maniac. 1104 00:49:50.815 --> 00:49:55.406 Okay, directed by Riff Coogan AKA Adam Rifkin 1105 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:56.924 or vice a versa. 1106 00:49:56.959 --> 00:49:58.305 [laughing] 1107 00:49:58.340 --> 00:50:00.480 Now he is known as Adam Rifkin. 1108 00:50:00.514 --> 00:50:05.519 So I remember I was waiting to go into my audition 1109 00:50:06.451 --> 00:50:10.524 at this nice office building 1110 00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:15.322 and I was again, playing a teenager 1111 00:50:15.357 --> 00:50:19.671 even though I think I was maybe like almost 30, 1112 00:50:19.706 --> 00:50:21.604 if not 30 already. 1113 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.815 So I just for some reason, and it had nothing 1114 00:50:25.850 --> 00:50:28.611 to do with anything, I was sitting there reading 1115 00:50:28.646 --> 00:50:31.097 my sides to audition 1116 00:50:31.131 --> 00:50:35.032 and I just decided, eh, I'll put my glasses 1117 00:50:35.066 --> 00:50:36.274 on for this one. 1118 00:50:36.309 --> 00:50:37.758 You know, just to do something different. 1119 00:50:37.793 --> 00:50:41.555 So because I was reading for, 1120 00:50:41.590 --> 00:50:43.178 at least I'm not sure, 1121 00:50:43.212 --> 00:50:45.007 I'm not sure if I was actually reading 1122 00:50:45.042 --> 00:50:47.941 for the character that I was cast as, as Betty, 1123 00:50:47.975 --> 00:50:49.874 or if I was reading for another part 1124 00:50:49.908 --> 00:50:51.082 I can't remember that. 1125 00:50:51.117 --> 00:50:53.257 So I had my glasses on, 1126 00:50:53.291 --> 00:50:55.224 I did the audition with my glasses on 1127 00:50:55.259 --> 00:51:00.057 and then I really wasn't expecting to get cast. 1128 00:51:00.091 --> 00:51:03.612 So just because I thought, 1129 00:51:03.646 --> 00:51:06.615 oh you know, there's a million people auditioning 1130 00:51:06.649 --> 00:51:08.099 for this thing. 1131 00:51:08.134 --> 00:51:11.068 But lo and behold, they called me up and said, 1132 00:51:11.102 --> 00:51:13.932 we would like you for the role of Betty, the nerd. 1133 00:51:13.967 --> 00:51:17.764 And I was like, yay the glasses was a good, 1134 00:51:17.798 --> 00:51:19.662 you know, a good choice. 1135 00:51:19.697 --> 00:51:21.423 So that was really fun. 1136 00:51:21.457 --> 00:51:22.424 I enjoyed that one. 1137 00:51:23.528 --> 00:51:24.771 - Riff Coogan. 1138 00:51:24.805 --> 00:51:26.152 First of all, that's a phony name, okay. 1139 00:51:26.186 --> 00:51:27.843 His real name is Adam Rifkin 1140 00:51:27.877 --> 00:51:31.329 and when I met him, I mean were both sort 1141 00:51:31.364 --> 00:51:33.573 of territorial about the movie. 1142 00:51:33.607 --> 00:51:35.161 You know, I felt like it was mine 1143 00:51:35.195 --> 00:51:36.679 because I was making a sequel 1144 00:51:36.714 --> 00:51:39.303 and of course he was going to put his imprint on it 1145 00:51:39.337 --> 00:51:42.444 and we really worked well together. 1146 00:51:42.478 --> 00:51:46.068 I mean we were really, you're so busy doing the thing 1147 00:51:46.103 --> 00:51:47.966 that you don't really have time for a lot of discussion. 1148 00:51:48.001 --> 00:51:49.175 You know. 1149 00:51:49.209 --> 00:51:51.142 He would say, "I'm gonna do this." 1150 00:51:51.177 --> 00:51:52.557 I'd be like, fine that looks good to me. 1151 00:51:52.592 --> 00:51:54.180 You know, so we weren't, 1152 00:51:55.319 --> 00:51:57.148 there was never any conflict at all. 1153 00:51:57.183 --> 00:51:59.323 - [Narrator] Larry and Bryan thought they planned 1154 00:51:59.357 --> 00:52:00.910 the perfect bachelor party. 1155 00:52:00.945 --> 00:52:03.189 They took care of the booze. 1156 00:52:03.223 --> 00:52:05.467 They took care of the boss. 1157 00:52:05.501 --> 00:52:06.709 - Yes. 1158 00:52:06.744 --> 00:52:08.090 - [Narrator] They took care of the girls. 1159 00:52:08.125 --> 00:52:09.505 - Women, women. 1160 00:52:09.540 --> 00:52:11.197 Women, women. 1161 00:52:11.231 --> 00:52:13.682 Women, women, women, women! 1162 00:52:13.716 --> 00:52:15.925 - [Narrator] They took care of the entertainment. 1163 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.410 - We're here to party. 1164 00:52:17.444 --> 00:52:19.412 - [Narrator] They even took care of the nightwatchmen. 1165 00:52:19.446 --> 00:52:22.622 The only thing they didn't take care of was him. 1166 00:52:22.656 --> 00:52:26.557 - You boys wouldn't be planning anything illegal? 1167 00:52:26.591 --> 00:52:29.249 - [Narrator] Now they've got an uninvited guest. 1168 00:52:29.284 --> 00:52:30.802 - [Man] They're just having some fun. 1169 00:52:30.837 --> 00:52:32.114 - Fun, fun? 1170 00:52:32.149 --> 00:52:34.599 Until someone loses an eye. 1171 00:52:34.634 --> 00:52:37.740 - Very wildly creative, wildly creative 1172 00:52:37.775 --> 00:52:39.570 and it shows as you watch the film now, 1173 00:52:39.604 --> 00:52:41.503 you see how he's Dutching his angles, 1174 00:52:41.537 --> 00:52:42.745 and he's moving the camera 1175 00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:46.232 and there's a lot of inventive camera work 1176 00:52:46.266 --> 00:52:50.374 by Adam Kane who is a great cinematographer, 1177 00:52:50.408 --> 00:52:51.858 was the shooter on that. 1178 00:52:51.892 --> 00:52:55.620 So our thing was always I would come up to him and say, 1179 00:52:55.655 --> 00:52:56.828 is it spooky? 1180 00:52:56.863 --> 00:52:59.141 And he would go, "It's very spooky." 1181 00:52:59.176 --> 00:53:01.247 And so then we would shoot the scene. 1182 00:53:01.281 --> 00:53:03.421 - [Narrator] Psycho Cop II. 1183 00:53:03.456 --> 00:53:07.943 - You know, I'm beginning to suspect foreplay. 1184 00:53:07.977 --> 00:53:09.600 - It's not what it looks like. 1185 00:53:09.634 --> 00:53:11.326 - You're drunk and disorderly. 1186 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:12.879 - Well hello there, officer. 1187 00:53:12.913 --> 00:53:15.709 [gunshot] [screaming] 1188 00:53:15.744 --> 00:53:16.848 - You're under arrest. 1189 00:53:18.954 --> 00:53:21.439 You have the right to remain dead. 1190 00:53:22.578 --> 00:53:23.821 - There's something really wrong. 1191 00:53:23.855 --> 00:53:26.410 - Anything you say can and will be considered 1192 00:53:26.444 --> 00:53:29.413 extremely strange because you're dead. 1193 00:53:29.447 --> 00:53:31.967 [screaming] 1194 00:53:32.001 --> 00:53:33.658 You have the right to an attorney. 1195 00:53:33.693 --> 00:53:35.142 [screaming] 1196 00:53:35.177 --> 00:53:36.592 - Why aren't they dressed? 1197 00:53:36.627 --> 00:53:38.111 - They're dressed, they're just dressed scantily. 1198 00:53:38.145 --> 00:53:41.459 - So maybe I should just let you go with a warning. 1199 00:53:41.494 --> 00:53:43.427 [screaming] 1200 00:53:43.461 --> 00:53:45.636 - Let's get the hell out of here. 1201 00:53:45.670 --> 00:53:47.776 - Everything okay up here? 1202 00:53:47.810 --> 00:53:49.226 [screaming] 1203 00:53:49.260 --> 00:53:52.436 Suspect is blonde and considered extremely stupid. 1204 00:53:52.470 --> 00:53:53.954 You understand these rights? 1205 00:53:53.989 --> 00:53:55.542 [gunshot] 1206 00:53:55.577 --> 00:53:56.888 - [Narrator] Miles David Dougal 1207 00:53:56.923 --> 00:53:58.614 as the hapless yuppie nerd. 1208 00:54:01.272 --> 00:54:04.102 Roderick Darin as the life of the party. 1209 00:54:04.137 --> 00:54:07.416 1993 Penthouse Pet of the year, Julie Strain, 1210 00:54:07.451 --> 00:54:10.557 as the bombshell in bikini leather chaps. 1211 00:54:10.592 --> 00:54:14.216 Barbara Alexander as ace accountant Sharon Wells, 1212 00:54:14.251 --> 00:54:18.289 and Bobby Ray Shafer as mister law enforcement himself. 1213 00:54:18.324 --> 00:54:20.222 - Police officer Joe Vickers. 1214 00:54:20.257 --> 00:54:24.916 - Adam recruited all of these local alcohol, 1215 00:54:24.951 --> 00:54:29.680 you know drunks, I mean street people to be in the movie 1216 00:54:29.714 --> 00:54:33.891 and so we were filming the clubbing scene 1217 00:54:33.925 --> 00:54:35.720 and there was one guy. 1218 00:54:35.755 --> 00:54:37.204 I could smell him. 1219 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:41.174 You know he smelled like alcohol and vomit and thrash 1220 00:54:41.208 --> 00:54:43.763 and he's not pulling the punches. 1221 00:54:43.797 --> 00:54:47.732 He's just wailing away with his plastic whiffle ball bat. 1222 00:54:47.767 --> 00:54:49.389 I mean, really really hitting me hard. 1223 00:54:49.424 --> 00:54:50.494 You know, finally I grabbed the bat, 1224 00:54:50.528 --> 00:54:52.289 I'm like, Adam, who is this? 1225 00:54:52.323 --> 00:54:55.844 And he goes, "He looks great, Bobby." 1226 00:54:55.878 --> 00:54:58.536 So I was like, get him the hell out of here. 1227 00:54:58.571 --> 00:55:00.400 He doesn't know what he's doing. 1228 00:55:00.435 --> 00:55:01.677 He's hitting me. 1229 00:55:01.712 --> 00:55:04.162 So we had to film it again. 1230 00:55:04.197 --> 00:55:06.751 I don't know why that footage didn't work 1231 00:55:08.201 --> 00:55:09.996 but then later we shot it outside of a strip club 1232 00:55:10.030 --> 00:55:13.413 in the valley and you know it's a pretty famous scene 1233 00:55:13.448 --> 00:55:15.242 because of the Rodney King parallel. 1234 00:55:15.277 --> 00:55:17.244 That was what happening right then 1235 00:55:17.279 --> 00:55:22.008 and really Adam Rifkin does his cameo there 1236 00:55:22.042 --> 00:55:24.700 where he shows up as the neighbor with the video camera 1237 00:55:24.735 --> 00:55:26.806 and realizes, it's gold, it's gold, 1238 00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:29.395 and starts filming the beat down, right. 1239 00:55:29.429 --> 00:55:33.157 So I think that scene was really constructed 1240 00:55:33.191 --> 00:55:36.471 and re shot again so Adam could get his cameo in there. 1241 00:55:36.505 --> 00:55:38.335 But I can't be sure about that. 1242 00:55:38.369 --> 00:55:42.097 - So back at that time my shop was in North Hollywood 1243 00:55:42.131 --> 00:55:45.411 on Lankershim Boulevard and that area was kind of right 1244 00:55:45.445 --> 00:55:49.380 in the center of the makeup effects area. 1245 00:55:50.588 --> 00:55:51.762 Right across the street, 1246 00:55:51.796 --> 00:55:53.073 like literally across the street, 1247 00:55:53.108 --> 00:55:54.696 was Don Post Studios. 1248 00:55:56.111 --> 00:56:00.529 Maybe a mile down the road was Makeup Effects Lab 1249 00:56:01.358 --> 00:56:02.738 and John Buechler. 1250 00:56:04.844 --> 00:56:06.328 Who else was around there? 1251 00:56:08.986 --> 00:56:11.091 Rick Baker's shop wasn't too far away. 1252 00:56:11.126 --> 00:56:14.232 There was a lot of stuff going on right in that area 1253 00:56:14.267 --> 00:56:16.856 and right next door to me was the, 1254 00:56:18.029 --> 00:56:20.411 a studio that they used, a stage that they used 1255 00:56:20.446 --> 00:56:22.413 to film IMAX stuff on. 1256 00:56:22.448 --> 00:56:24.346 So I met a lot of guys. 1257 00:56:24.381 --> 00:56:25.830 It was mostly cameramen and stuff. 1258 00:56:25.865 --> 00:56:30.041 They used it for setting uptheir cameras and testing things 1259 00:56:30.076 --> 00:56:34.218 and I met a cameraman who was getting ready 1260 00:56:34.252 --> 00:56:35.426 to do this movie. 1261 00:56:35.461 --> 00:56:38.049 He was going to kinda produce the effects. 1262 00:56:39.465 --> 00:56:42.122 All the effects for this movie called Dolly Dearest 1263 00:56:42.157 --> 00:56:43.814 and we were working on some different puppets 1264 00:56:43.848 --> 00:56:46.403 for a TV show called Monsters and a few other things 1265 00:56:46.437 --> 00:56:48.612 and he'd come over and take a look at we were doing 1266 00:56:48.646 --> 00:56:52.547 and he asked me if I'd be interested in doing that. 1267 00:56:52.581 --> 00:56:53.927 Which of course, I was. 1268 00:56:53.962 --> 00:56:56.516 That was, Chuckie was a real big thing then. 1269 00:56:56.551 --> 00:56:58.829 I think maybe one or two had come out 1270 00:56:58.863 --> 00:57:02.039 and so this was gonna be kinda like Chuckie's girlfriend. 1271 00:57:02.073 --> 00:57:04.731 Lower budget version but still sounded like it 1272 00:57:04.766 --> 00:57:05.870 was gonna be a lot of fun. 1273 00:57:05.905 --> 00:57:07.769 - This is the doll your daddy's gonna make in Mexico 1274 00:57:07.803 --> 00:57:10.427 and this is factory we're gonna make her 1275 00:57:10.461 --> 00:57:11.842 and sew her little dresses. 1276 00:57:11.876 --> 00:57:13.050 Isn't she beautiful? 1277 00:57:13.084 --> 00:57:14.707 - [Girl] May I have one, Daddy? 1278 00:57:14.741 --> 00:57:16.640 - [Narrator] From the moment they met. 1279 00:57:16.674 --> 00:57:18.331 - I'm gonna love her so much. 1280 00:57:18.365 --> 00:57:21.127 - [Narrator] It was a fairy tale come true. 1281 00:57:21.161 --> 00:57:22.887 - Good night, Dolly. 1282 00:57:22.922 --> 00:57:24.820 - [Woman] Sweet dreams, Dolly. 1283 00:57:24.855 --> 00:57:27.478 - [Narrator] But this is where the fairy tale ends 1284 00:57:28.790 --> 00:57:30.067 and the nightmare begins. 1285 00:57:32.414 --> 00:57:33.242 - Dolly? 1286 00:57:35.003 --> 00:57:37.557 - There were makeup effects, creature effects, 1287 00:57:37.592 --> 00:57:39.801 puppet effects, we had a whole bunch of different things, 1288 00:57:39.835 --> 00:57:41.630 working in that movie. 1289 00:57:44.530 --> 00:57:45.565 We actually shot, 1290 00:57:45.600 --> 00:57:47.705 and I kinda unofficially got to be 1291 00:57:47.740 --> 00:57:50.190 do some second unit directing 1292 00:57:50.225 --> 00:57:52.641 because of the puppets and how we had to shoot it 1293 00:57:52.676 --> 00:57:54.505 and one thing that was really fun 1294 00:57:54.540 --> 00:57:56.265 is they called me up, 1295 00:57:56.300 --> 00:57:58.854 we were already in the process of building the dolls. 1296 00:57:58.889 --> 00:58:00.097 We built several dolls. 1297 00:58:00.131 --> 00:58:02.720 We had a full one hero puppet doll 1298 00:58:02.755 --> 00:58:06.966 that had a rig that so puppeteers could ride with her 1299 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:08.519 so she could walk. 1300 00:58:08.554 --> 00:58:10.556 She had a radio controlled head. 1301 00:58:11.695 --> 00:58:13.524 Articulated arms, legs, the whole deal, 1302 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.871 and that was our main hero puppet. 1303 00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.220 Then we had several, you know we had a multitude 1304 00:58:20.255 --> 00:58:21.670 of other puppets 1305 00:58:21.705 --> 00:58:24.224 because she starts at as a really like pretty, nice doll, 1306 00:58:24.259 --> 00:58:26.503 that any little girl would like to have 1307 00:58:26.537 --> 00:58:28.953 and then morphs into this evil creature. 1308 00:58:28.988 --> 00:58:31.300 So, we had pretty doll, 1309 00:58:31.335 --> 00:58:33.130 we had like the normal looking dolls 1310 00:58:33.164 --> 00:58:35.339 that eyes could turn and heads could turn 1311 00:58:35.373 --> 00:58:36.547 and do little things 1312 00:58:36.582 --> 00:58:39.895 and insert hands for grabbing things 1313 00:58:39.930 --> 00:58:42.208 and you know a whole 1314 00:58:42.242 --> 00:58:43.520 bunch of stuff like that. 1315 00:58:46.212 --> 00:58:48.455 So and a lot of that stuff we did 1316 00:58:48.490 --> 00:58:50.009 we shot in second unit. 1317 00:58:50.043 --> 00:58:51.286 So I got a call saying, 1318 00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:52.425 hey you know we got our stage 1319 00:58:52.459 --> 00:58:53.944 where we're gonna be filming 1320 00:58:53.978 --> 00:58:57.085 and I said, okay where is it? 1321 00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:58.051 And they gave me the address 1322 00:58:58.086 --> 00:58:59.328 and it was on Lankershim, 1323 00:58:59.363 --> 00:59:01.158 and I went, oh that numbers really close 1324 00:59:01.192 --> 00:59:03.332 and I looked, literally looked out the window 1325 00:59:03.367 --> 00:59:06.197 and they were across the street from us. 1326 00:59:06.232 --> 00:59:07.440 So it couldn't have been any better. 1327 00:59:07.474 --> 00:59:09.753 That was just kind of random happenstance. 1328 00:59:09.787 --> 00:59:13.653 So we just, we could literally walk across the street 1329 00:59:13.688 --> 00:59:16.069 and take stuff back and forth from the shop 1330 00:59:16.104 --> 00:59:17.968 and it was really convenient 1331 00:59:19.107 --> 00:59:23.111 and we shot a lot of the insert stuff there. 1332 00:59:23.145 --> 00:59:24.906 We shot a lot of stuff in the location. 1333 00:59:24.940 --> 00:59:27.909 There was a house in Covina, I believe it was, 1334 00:59:27.943 --> 00:59:28.772 that we shot at 1335 00:59:31.464 --> 00:59:35.192 but a lot of the stuff where it was gonna 1336 00:59:35.226 --> 00:59:39.368 be more intricate and we had some sets built 1337 00:59:39.403 --> 00:59:40.956 in this soundstage across the street. 1338 00:59:40.991 --> 00:59:45.512 It was really a warehouse, converted into a soundstage 1339 00:59:45.547 --> 00:59:47.929 and we shot quite a lot of stuff 1340 00:59:47.963 --> 00:59:50.759 and then at the end of the movie 1341 00:59:50.794 --> 00:59:52.692 I mean after we wrapped, 1342 00:59:52.727 --> 00:59:54.901 while we were getting into post, 1343 00:59:54.936 --> 00:59:59.285 the guys that hired me, who were the producers 1344 00:59:59.319 --> 01:00:03.082 of the effects, got into, I guess 1345 01:00:04.255 --> 01:00:08.743 a bit of an issue about additional funds 1346 01:00:08.777 --> 01:00:10.814 and they thought they did more work 1347 01:00:10.848 --> 01:00:12.056 than they got paid for 1348 01:00:12.091 --> 01:00:14.680 and it kinda got all into a legal thing 1349 01:00:14.714 --> 01:00:17.165 and a lot of the stuff that we filmed 1350 01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:19.029 ultimately didn't make it into the movie 1351 01:00:19.063 --> 01:00:21.272 because it was tied up into this legal thing 1352 01:00:22.998 --> 01:00:24.759 and which never got, I don't know whatever 1353 01:00:24.793 --> 01:00:26.174 happened with it, to be honest with you 1354 01:00:26.208 --> 01:00:29.626 but it certainly, it wasn't resolved 1355 01:00:29.660 --> 01:00:31.558 before they had released the movie. 1356 01:00:31.593 --> 01:00:33.112 So there was quite a bit of stuff 1357 01:00:33.146 --> 01:00:35.942 that never even made it into the film, 1358 01:00:35.977 --> 01:00:37.875 which was pretty sad for us. 1359 01:00:37.910 --> 01:00:39.428 We did all that work 1360 01:00:39.463 --> 01:00:41.603 but it was a lot of fun. 1361 01:00:41.638 --> 01:00:44.537 Denise Crosby was in the film. 1362 01:00:44.571 --> 01:00:49.576 Sam Bottoms who was her husband 1363 01:00:50.612 --> 01:00:52.821 and Rip Torn who was this, 1364 01:00:52.856 --> 01:00:55.859 kinda, he was an archeologist. 1365 01:00:55.893 --> 01:00:59.725 He was the guy that released the demon soul 1366 01:00:59.759 --> 01:01:01.209 that inhabited the doll. 1367 01:01:01.243 --> 01:01:03.694 [eerie music] 1368 01:01:05.075 --> 01:01:06.041 [screaming] 1369 01:01:06.076 --> 01:01:08.216 [tense eerie music] 1370 01:01:08.250 --> 01:01:10.563 [screaming] 1371 01:01:20.538 --> 01:01:21.367 - No, no! 1372 01:01:24.508 --> 01:01:26.165 - It's time to play. 1373 01:01:29.375 --> 01:01:31.480 - Play with this, bitch. 1374 01:01:31.515 --> 01:01:34.414 [explosion] 1375 01:01:34.449 --> 01:01:36.727 - [Narrator] Dolly Dearest. 1376 01:01:36.762 --> 01:01:38.695 - Yeah, you know it's been like 30 years 1377 01:01:39.765 --> 01:01:42.457 since I did Dolly Dearest 1378 01:01:42.491 --> 01:01:45.046 and I just constantly feel like, 1379 01:01:45.080 --> 01:01:46.357 you know, that she's around. 1380 01:01:46.392 --> 01:01:48.394 She's lurking around all the time. 1381 01:01:48.428 --> 01:01:51.915 It's weird, weird feeling. 1382 01:01:51.949 --> 01:01:53.571 Huh? 1383 01:01:53.606 --> 01:01:55.263 She's behind me now, isn't she? 1384 01:01:55.297 --> 01:01:56.713 I bet you she's... 1385 01:01:56.747 --> 01:01:58.956 [roaring scream] 1386 01:01:58.991 --> 01:01:59.923 - [Woman] Here we go. 1387 01:01:59.957 --> 01:02:01.269 - [Narrator] In this small town. 1388 01:02:01.303 --> 01:02:02.546 - [Woman] Check this guy out. 1389 01:02:02.580 --> 01:02:04.065 - [Narrator] On this quiet street. 1390 01:02:04.099 --> 01:02:06.308 - Now, we can talk to him one on one. 1391 01:02:06.343 --> 01:02:07.896 - [Narrator] An unspeakable evil 1392 01:02:07.931 --> 01:02:09.346 is stalking the net. 1393 01:02:09.380 --> 01:02:11.210 - What kind of name is Captain Howdy? 1394 01:02:11.244 --> 01:02:16.180 - Strangeland was a cool and fun project to work on. 1395 01:02:17.664 --> 01:02:21.358 I had been, I actually was in a Twisted Sister video 1396 01:02:22.773 --> 01:02:25.396 several years earlier called Be Cruel to your School. 1397 01:02:25.431 --> 01:02:26.984 So when I got called in, 1398 01:02:27.019 --> 01:02:29.607 I don't think I knew it was a Dee Snider film. 1399 01:02:30.885 --> 01:02:32.541 I don't remember knowing that 1400 01:02:32.576 --> 01:02:34.198 but coming in and seeing Dee 1401 01:02:34.233 --> 01:02:37.201 and I think he remembered me from Be Cruel to your School 1402 01:02:37.236 --> 01:02:41.965 and so we had a good rapport already, right off the bat. 1403 01:02:44.484 --> 01:02:47.591 I really liked the concept of what he was doing. 1404 01:02:47.625 --> 01:02:48.799 It was pretty new at the time 1405 01:02:48.834 --> 01:02:50.801 because the internet was kind of new 1406 01:02:51.940 --> 01:02:55.564 and that kind of messaging and stuff, 1407 01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:57.946 which is now, everybody does on their phone, 1408 01:02:57.981 --> 01:02:59.120 that was kind of new. 1409 01:02:59.154 --> 01:03:01.950 So it was a pretty cool, innovative concept 1410 01:03:01.985 --> 01:03:06.127 and it was a, to do those kind of prosthetics on him 1411 01:03:06.161 --> 01:03:09.820 to make all those piercings and tattoos and everything 1412 01:03:09.855 --> 01:03:12.754 was challenging because it had to, 1413 01:03:12.789 --> 01:03:16.033 it was very thin and had to look real on his skin 1414 01:03:16.068 --> 01:03:18.656 and then a really cool effect we got to sew peoples mouth. 1415 01:03:18.691 --> 01:03:20.037 I got to work with Robert Englund. 1416 01:03:20.072 --> 01:03:22.039 I had worked with him a few times before 1417 01:03:22.074 --> 01:03:23.489 but I think that was the first time 1418 01:03:23.523 --> 01:03:25.249 I actually applied makeup to him. 1419 01:03:25.284 --> 01:03:27.355 So that was fun, I got to sew his mouth shut 1420 01:03:27.389 --> 01:03:31.324 and overall it was a really fun film 1421 01:03:31.359 --> 01:03:32.532 and Dee's a really cool guy. 1422 01:03:32.567 --> 01:03:34.983 I've stayed friends with him since. 1423 01:03:35.018 --> 01:03:38.124 Would love to see a sequel one of these days. 1424 01:03:40.057 --> 01:03:43.336 - Pain is a uniquely personal experience. 1425 01:03:43.371 --> 01:03:45.752 - Oh god, please don't let this be happening. 1426 01:03:45.787 --> 01:03:47.064 - [Howdy] My badges are forever. 1427 01:03:47.099 --> 01:03:48.755 - My badge represents the law. 1428 01:03:49.895 --> 01:03:52.794 [siren wailing] 1429 01:03:52.829 --> 01:03:53.622 [gunshot] 1430 01:03:53.657 --> 01:03:55.348 [rock music] 1431 01:03:55.383 --> 01:03:57.316 - I'll kill him. 1432 01:03:57.350 --> 01:03:58.351 - Trust me. 1433 01:03:58.386 --> 01:03:59.870 [screaming] 1434 01:03:59.905 --> 01:04:01.044 That's better. 1435 01:04:01.078 --> 01:04:02.321 - You always remember your first film. 1436 01:04:02.355 --> 01:04:04.495 I'd done, before the film, in high school 1437 01:04:04.530 --> 01:04:07.395 I'd done two shot on video, you know, 1438 01:04:07.429 --> 01:04:09.949 straight to video, never released, 1439 01:04:09.984 --> 01:04:11.192 until actually now. 1440 01:04:11.226 --> 01:04:12.883 The Vinegar Syndrome released Murder Winter 1441 01:04:12.918 --> 01:04:16.024 which I did as a senior in the 80s. 1442 01:04:16.059 --> 01:04:17.992 But it was my first professional film. 1443 01:04:18.026 --> 01:04:20.684 In a way it was very easy because I actually had a crew 1444 01:04:20.718 --> 01:04:22.099 and a cast that wanted to make the film 1445 01:04:22.134 --> 01:04:23.756 versus just friends fooling around 1446 01:04:23.790 --> 01:04:25.931 and I was doing everything on those little movies 1447 01:04:25.965 --> 01:04:28.485 so I finally had support on the film. 1448 01:04:29.866 --> 01:04:31.695 I was, I think, the youngest person on the set 1449 01:04:31.729 --> 01:04:34.008 and the lead actor, who I went to high school with, 1450 01:04:34.042 --> 01:04:35.699 Craig Peck, we were both like 20 at the time. 1451 01:04:35.733 --> 01:04:36.942 Everybody else was older. 1452 01:04:38.288 --> 01:04:40.083 But I planned it out. 1453 01:04:40.117 --> 01:04:41.739 I did a shot list, I was prepared 1454 01:04:41.774 --> 01:04:44.121 and everybody, you know, understood 1455 01:04:44.156 --> 01:04:45.364 that I knew what I was doing 1456 01:04:45.398 --> 01:04:47.090 'cause my father was producing the film 1457 01:04:47.124 --> 01:04:49.644 but they could see that I was making the movie 1458 01:04:49.678 --> 01:04:52.267 and I had a very strong vision on what the film should be. 1459 01:04:52.302 --> 01:04:53.337 - This place is great. 1460 01:04:53.372 --> 01:04:55.961 - Where's the bedrooms? 1461 01:04:55.995 --> 01:04:57.238 - Why don't I take a nice stroll 1462 01:04:57.272 --> 01:04:58.791 down that dirt path into the woods late tonight, 1463 01:04:58.825 --> 01:05:00.275 all by myself? 1464 01:05:00.310 --> 01:05:01.898 - Oh, I think I stepped on something. [screaming] 1465 01:05:01.932 --> 01:05:03.589 - And afterwards I can go skinny dipping in the pond. 1466 01:05:03.623 --> 01:05:04.866 - I don't see anything. 1467 01:05:04.901 --> 01:05:05.936 It was probably nothing. 1468 01:05:05.971 --> 01:05:07.213 - There is something out there. 1469 01:05:07.248 --> 01:05:08.456 Don't forget, I've rented out 1470 01:05:08.490 --> 01:05:10.354 every single horror film on videotape. 1471 01:05:10.389 --> 01:05:11.942 - He's driving me crazy. 1472 01:05:11.977 --> 01:05:13.944 - [Narrator] There's no need to worry. 1473 01:05:13.979 --> 01:05:15.118 - What are we talking about here? 1474 01:05:15.152 --> 01:05:17.051 Those things pop out of your stomach 1475 01:05:17.085 --> 01:05:18.190 when you least expect it? 1476 01:05:18.224 --> 01:05:19.122 - Yes, that's it. 1477 01:05:19.156 --> 01:05:20.364 You've seen some movies, too. 1478 01:05:20.399 --> 01:05:21.710 - [Narrator] There is no need to fear. 1479 01:05:21.745 --> 01:05:24.541 - There's nothing out there. 1480 01:05:24.575 --> 01:05:26.163 - [Woman] That's where the rest of the chicken was. 1481 01:05:26.198 --> 01:05:27.544 - Yeah, no more dinner for me. 1482 01:05:27.578 --> 01:05:28.786 - That's insane. 1483 01:05:28.821 --> 01:05:30.167 - [Narrator] There's nothing out there. 1484 01:05:30.202 --> 01:05:32.307 [screaming] 1485 01:05:32.342 --> 01:05:33.136 - Did you hear something? 1486 01:05:33.170 --> 01:05:35.517 [screaming] 1487 01:05:37.312 --> 01:05:38.658 Now, I know I heard something. 1488 01:05:38.693 --> 01:05:39.832 - In the opening of the movie 1489 01:05:39.866 --> 01:05:43.215 there's a stunt where the girl, 1490 01:05:43.249 --> 01:05:44.941 there's a scene in the video store 1491 01:05:44.975 --> 01:05:48.979 which, that was actually added,that was not in the original version of the script. 1492 01:05:49.014 --> 01:05:49.946 The video store opening. 1493 01:05:49.980 --> 01:05:52.431 I had seen Lethal Weapon Two 1494 01:05:52.465 --> 01:05:54.364 and I loved the fact that they began the film 1495 01:05:54.398 --> 01:05:55.572 in the middle of a car chase 1496 01:05:55.606 --> 01:05:56.780 and I thought it would be really fun 1497 01:05:56.814 --> 01:05:58.333 to start the film in the middle of something. 1498 01:05:58.368 --> 01:05:59.817 So we start in the video store 1499 01:05:59.852 --> 01:06:01.026 and we found a real video store 1500 01:06:01.060 --> 01:06:03.200 and we shot in Pacific Palisades, New York 1501 01:06:03.235 --> 01:06:04.719 and there was a real store 1502 01:06:04.753 --> 01:06:05.962 that the guy let us use 1503 01:06:05.996 --> 01:06:07.549 and those were all the video boxes in there 1504 01:06:07.584 --> 01:06:09.068 and I though it be great to have kind 1505 01:06:09.103 --> 01:06:10.897 of this nightmare sequence where she's being stalked 1506 01:06:10.932 --> 01:06:13.383 by somebody, something and all the video boxes are there 1507 01:06:13.417 --> 01:06:15.109 and don't show the titles, 1508 01:06:15.143 --> 01:06:16.455 so everyone who's a fan can be like, 1509 01:06:16.489 --> 01:06:18.250 I know that movie, that movie, you recognize all the titles 1510 01:06:18.284 --> 01:06:19.596 and then she wakes up in her car 1511 01:06:19.630 --> 01:06:21.701 and then drives off the road with a big stunt 1512 01:06:21.736 --> 01:06:22.771 and then gets attacked by the creature. 1513 01:06:22.806 --> 01:06:24.394 So it had like a double opening. 1514 01:06:25.222 --> 01:06:26.361 The car jump, 1515 01:06:26.396 --> 01:06:28.122 we had a stunt driver who did that. 1516 01:06:28.156 --> 01:06:29.330 We built the ramp and everything. 1517 01:06:29.364 --> 01:06:30.710 It was like a park, I think, 1518 01:06:30.745 --> 01:06:33.955 and there was a bet about how far 1519 01:06:33.990 --> 01:06:35.543 the car was gonna go 1520 01:06:35.577 --> 01:06:38.580 and of course the winner was the driver 1521 01:06:38.615 --> 01:06:40.272 who wound up hitting the ramp 1522 01:06:40.306 --> 01:06:42.308 going like 45 miles an hour versus 30 1523 01:06:42.343 --> 01:06:43.896 and landed on the camera. 1524 01:06:43.930 --> 01:06:44.966 Pulled the plug just before 1525 01:06:45.001 --> 01:06:46.588 but you can see the shot of it coming in. 1526 01:06:46.623 --> 01:06:48.280 So that was like, oh that was an expensive little stunt 1527 01:06:48.314 --> 01:06:49.729 but looks great on the film. 1528 01:06:49.764 --> 01:06:52.249 This is one of the original, 1529 01:06:52.284 --> 01:06:54.424 I think they only did two or three of these creatures. 1530 01:06:54.458 --> 01:06:56.529 We destroyed most of them in the movie. 1531 01:06:56.564 --> 01:06:58.048 One had a little animatronics, 1532 01:06:59.118 --> 01:07:02.259 so it breathed a little bit and the eyes 1533 01:07:02.294 --> 01:07:03.812 kind of blinked a little bit. 1534 01:07:04.986 --> 01:07:07.851 But this was pretty much our creature that we, 1535 01:07:07.885 --> 01:07:12.580 in the movie, in the finale of the film, especially, 1536 01:07:12.614 --> 01:07:14.754 when it's roaming through the house, 1537 01:07:15.859 --> 01:07:17.930 we put it on a remote control truck 1538 01:07:17.964 --> 01:07:20.208 and drove it around with the camera on the Steadicam 1539 01:07:20.243 --> 01:07:22.003 following it from in front and behind 1540 01:07:22.038 --> 01:07:24.212 and that's how we got it moving through the floors. 1541 01:07:24.247 --> 01:07:26.180 There was a little bit of puppeteering work being done 1542 01:07:26.214 --> 01:07:28.251 with the creature for some of that, 1543 01:07:28.285 --> 01:07:30.839 when it's kind of doing this and moving around. 1544 01:07:30.874 --> 01:07:33.739 But the tentacles, green slime, 1545 01:07:33.773 --> 01:07:37.018 and yeah this was all created by Scott Hart 1546 01:07:37.053 --> 01:07:38.951 of Imageffects Studio back in 89 1547 01:07:40.297 --> 01:07:44.094 and it's made a few appearance on tape 1548 01:07:44.129 --> 01:07:46.614 but hasn't been seen too often 1549 01:07:46.648 --> 01:07:48.202 and it's amazing that it still holds up 1550 01:07:48.236 --> 01:07:49.479 as well as it does. 1551 01:07:49.513 --> 01:07:51.584 There was a longer tail. I do have the tail end of the part 1552 01:07:51.619 --> 01:07:53.862 but the tail did eventually fall off 'cause it's, you know. 1553 01:07:53.897 --> 01:07:56.313 But this was kind of one of our stunt creatures 1554 01:07:56.348 --> 01:07:58.177 that was sort of salvaged in the movie 1555 01:07:58.212 --> 01:08:01.353 'cause we burnt one up in the stove at the end. 1556 01:08:01.387 --> 01:08:02.285 [laughs] 1557 01:08:02.319 --> 01:08:03.700 They took a lot of abuse. 1558 01:08:03.734 --> 01:08:06.082 [screaming] 1559 01:08:07.290 --> 01:08:09.188 - It's as if his brain has been sucked dry. 1560 01:08:09.223 --> 01:08:12.950 [tense classical music] 1561 01:08:12.985 --> 01:08:14.090 - I say we set a trap. 1562 01:08:17.714 --> 01:08:19.474 The lights, hit it with your lights. 1563 01:08:19.509 --> 01:08:22.857 [tense classical music] 1564 01:08:27.724 --> 01:08:29.105 - [Narrator] The Killer Eye. 1565 01:08:30.244 --> 01:08:32.418 - David DeCoteau I had known for awhile. 1566 01:08:32.453 --> 01:08:33.902 Very nice guy, really friendly, 1567 01:08:33.937 --> 01:08:35.456 gave me a lot of advice on certain things, 1568 01:08:35.490 --> 01:08:37.285 when I was shooting some of these quickie, 1569 01:08:37.320 --> 01:08:38.907 six day erotic movies. 1570 01:08:38.942 --> 01:08:41.393 'Cause he's the master of speed. 1571 01:08:41.427 --> 01:08:43.498 It's amazing what he can do. 1572 01:08:43.533 --> 01:08:45.155 Nobody can do what Dave does. 1573 01:08:45.190 --> 01:08:48.193 So he was gonna do this movie called The Killer Eye 1574 01:08:48.227 --> 01:08:49.918 which was written by Benjamin Carr, 1575 01:08:49.953 --> 01:08:52.749 AKA, you know who he is probably. 1576 01:08:54.371 --> 01:08:56.408 DeCoteau really didn't want to do the movie 1577 01:08:56.442 --> 01:08:57.892 and he didn't like the script. 1578 01:08:57.926 --> 01:08:59.307 So what he wanted to do 1579 01:08:59.342 --> 01:09:01.344 was bring me in to do a rewrite on the script 1580 01:09:01.378 --> 01:09:02.828 and then hopefully convince Charlie Band 1581 01:09:02.862 --> 01:09:04.416 to let me direct the film. 1582 01:09:04.450 --> 01:09:08.109 So I read the script and I was actually 1583 01:09:08.144 --> 01:09:09.352 the only one who didn't hate it. 1584 01:09:09.386 --> 01:09:12.424 I was like, okay it's about a giant eyeball 1585 01:09:12.458 --> 01:09:14.184 that's trying to have sex with women. 1586 01:09:14.219 --> 01:09:16.635 That's different, you know, 1587 01:09:16.669 --> 01:09:19.189 so I thought it could be a lot of fun. 1588 01:09:19.224 --> 01:09:22.330 So I wrote an ambitious little script. 1589 01:09:22.365 --> 01:09:24.021 As I said, if I had directed it, 1590 01:09:24.056 --> 01:09:26.576 the only thing that would have made it like even perfect was if it was a musical. 1591 01:09:26.610 --> 01:09:28.371 Was about a singing, killer eyeball would have been, 1592 01:09:28.405 --> 01:09:33.410 I said it should be like Tremors meets Re-animator, 1593 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:35.412 or whatever it is. 1594 01:09:35.447 --> 01:09:37.000 I mean that was what the vibe should have been. 1595 01:09:37.034 --> 01:09:40.037 So I wrote the script, DeCoteau thought it was great 1596 01:09:40.072 --> 01:09:43.627 but he couldn't convince Charlieto let me direct the film 1597 01:09:43.662 --> 01:09:45.077 at the point. 1598 01:09:45.111 --> 01:09:47.493 So he brought in Matthew Jason Walsh 1599 01:09:47.528 --> 01:09:51.359 to do a toned down version of my script 1600 01:09:51.394 --> 01:09:54.535 and make it doable that he could shoot in four days 1601 01:09:54.569 --> 01:09:56.813 and that's what he wound up shooting on the film there. 1602 01:09:56.847 --> 01:09:59.436 [storm raging] 1603 01:10:02.094 --> 01:10:04.959 - Bolted doors and windows barred. 1604 01:10:07.617 --> 01:10:10.792 Guard dogs prowling in the yard. 1605 01:10:13.933 --> 01:10:15.970 Won't protect you in your bed. 1606 01:10:17.696 --> 01:10:18.593 [screams] 1607 01:10:18.628 --> 01:10:21.872 Nothing will from Pumpkinhead. 1608 01:10:21.907 --> 01:10:24.047 - And in Pumpkinhead II when I was hired 1609 01:10:24.081 --> 01:10:28.741 to do it was not necessarily a direct to video movie 1610 01:10:28.776 --> 01:10:30.743 even though that was the ultimate, 1611 01:10:30.778 --> 01:10:33.781 probably the ultimate probable destination 1612 01:10:33.815 --> 01:10:37.233 but I remember they were talking when I first, 1613 01:10:37.267 --> 01:10:40.374 the first letter they sent me with the script 1614 01:10:40.408 --> 01:10:45.171 with like oh, MGM, who had some involvement 1615 01:10:45.206 --> 01:10:48.347 in the first movie, might want to put this out theatrically 1616 01:10:48.382 --> 01:10:50.280 so we're hoping for a theatrical release 1617 01:10:50.315 --> 01:10:52.351 but the production situations were such 1618 01:10:52.386 --> 01:10:55.837 that it pretty much damned the movie 1619 01:10:55.872 --> 01:10:59.427 to direct to video no matter how, how it turned out 1620 01:11:00.325 --> 01:11:01.602 and that's one of the things 1621 01:11:01.636 --> 01:11:03.673 with direct to video in the 80s and 90s, 1622 01:11:03.707 --> 01:11:05.778 there certainly was a budgetary component 1623 01:11:05.813 --> 01:11:08.022 primarily to it. 1624 01:11:08.056 --> 01:11:09.920 There were some bigger budget movies 1625 01:11:09.955 --> 01:11:11.439 that went direct to video 1626 01:11:11.474 --> 01:11:13.372 but those were certainly deemed failures 1627 01:11:13.407 --> 01:11:17.756 but in the under a million dollar range movies 1628 01:11:18.929 --> 01:11:20.690 they were almost all, genre movies, 1629 01:11:20.724 --> 01:11:22.933 they were almost invariably going direct to video. 1630 01:11:22.968 --> 01:11:27.455 So Pumpkinhead II ended up direct to video in America. 1631 01:11:27.490 --> 01:11:31.528 Night of the Scarecrow, a movie I did fairly soon after, 1632 01:11:32.702 --> 01:11:36.084 that was, it was a very strange project 1633 01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:38.673 because it wasn't, it was right at that cusp, 1634 01:11:38.708 --> 01:11:41.745 it was right pre Scream where horror 1635 01:11:41.780 --> 01:11:43.126 had really hit a low. 1636 01:11:44.472 --> 01:11:49.477 Certainly theatrically and it was designed to, 1637 01:11:50.616 --> 01:11:51.997 originally the script was written 1638 01:11:52.031 --> 01:11:55.345 to be a knockoff of TheNightmare on Elm Street series, 1639 01:11:55.380 --> 01:11:57.485 so the scarecrow was making wisecracks 1640 01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:59.038 all through it and really being 1641 01:11:59.073 --> 01:12:01.731 kinda a surrogate Freddy Krueger figure 1642 01:12:01.765 --> 01:12:05.113 and would be able to conjure up 1643 01:12:05.148 --> 01:12:09.635 anything and everything in his power 1644 01:12:09.670 --> 01:12:11.361 and was written to be like a five 1645 01:12:11.396 --> 01:12:12.638 or six million dollar movie 1646 01:12:12.673 --> 01:12:15.641 and when Steve White and Barry Bernardi 1647 01:12:15.676 --> 01:12:17.816 two experienced television, 1648 01:12:17.850 --> 01:12:19.300 primarily at that time, television 1649 01:12:19.335 --> 01:12:21.889 or direct to video producers, 1650 01:12:23.062 --> 01:12:24.409 got ahold of the project 1651 01:12:24.443 --> 01:12:27.998 they bought it in turn around from Corsair Pictures, 1652 01:12:28.033 --> 01:12:31.554 which was a short lived theatrical company 1653 01:12:31.588 --> 01:12:33.763 run by Frank Perry, a very good director 1654 01:12:33.797 --> 01:12:34.798 who did The Swimmer, 1655 01:12:36.006 --> 01:12:38.215 they made a few movie, Shock to the System, 1656 01:12:38.250 --> 01:12:41.011 a few others, that didn't do anything theatrically 1657 01:12:41.046 --> 01:12:42.323 and then kind of folded 1658 01:12:42.358 --> 01:12:45.499 and then Barry and Steve bought the script. 1659 01:12:45.533 --> 01:12:48.398 So, I guess they had attempts to get it made 1660 01:12:48.433 --> 01:12:49.882 and they finally decided, you know, 1661 01:12:49.917 --> 01:12:51.470 we'll make it at a much lower budget 1662 01:12:51.505 --> 01:12:53.403 than originally intended 1663 01:12:53.438 --> 01:12:56.958 and they got Republic Pictures involved 1664 01:12:56.993 --> 01:12:58.788 to help fiance it. 1665 01:12:58.822 --> 01:13:00.237 [tense music] 1666 01:13:00.272 --> 01:13:01.238 - It was an accident, 1667 01:13:01.273 --> 01:13:03.862 what the hell else could it be? 1668 01:13:05.070 --> 01:13:07.313 - What if it wasn't an accident? 1669 01:13:07.348 --> 01:13:08.384 [gasps] 1670 01:13:08.418 --> 01:13:10.075 - Geeze, you look like you just saw a ghost. 1671 01:13:10.109 --> 01:13:12.008 - It's like they're protecting some nasty little secret 1672 01:13:12.042 --> 01:13:13.319 but nobody knows what it is. 1673 01:13:13.354 --> 01:13:15.977 - [Man] This is hysteria running out of control. 1674 01:13:16.012 --> 01:13:18.428 - Two, maybe three murders in the last two nights, 1675 01:13:18.463 --> 01:13:20.499 it's not being done by a man at all. 1676 01:13:21.431 --> 01:13:22.259 - Hey! 1677 01:13:23.675 --> 01:13:26.091 - If we don't guard him they're all gonna be dead. 1678 01:13:26.125 --> 01:13:27.851 - He has come back. 1679 01:13:31.234 --> 01:13:32.511 - Dad? 1680 01:13:32.546 --> 01:13:35.549 - He will become human again. 1681 01:13:36.446 --> 01:13:37.792 - Dad? 1682 01:13:37.827 --> 01:13:40.346 - No one can stop his power. 1683 01:13:40.381 --> 01:13:44.005 [tense dramatic music] 1684 01:13:44.040 --> 01:13:46.387 [explosion] 1685 01:13:47.526 --> 01:13:49.217 - Republic Pictures was owned by Spelling 1686 01:13:49.252 --> 01:13:51.703 and it was kind of this weird entity 1687 01:13:51.737 --> 01:13:53.601 where they had done some direct 1688 01:13:53.636 --> 01:13:57.329 to video Amityville horror movies, sequels, 1689 01:13:57.363 --> 01:14:00.470 and kind of like reviving the brand 1690 01:14:00.505 --> 01:14:01.782 'cause Republic was a very, 1691 01:14:01.816 --> 01:14:04.750 in the 40s, you know, 30s and 40s and 50s 1692 01:14:04.785 --> 01:14:09.721 a well known studio that did primarily 1693 01:14:11.654 --> 01:14:14.864 kinda cinema fodder for the masses. 1694 01:14:14.898 --> 01:14:17.280 - [Narrator] Out of the darkness of our past. 1695 01:14:18.488 --> 01:14:20.939 Out of the visions of our childhood. 1696 01:14:22.596 --> 01:14:27.186 Comes the one fear we thought we left behind. 1697 01:14:27.221 --> 01:14:31.225 The one nightmare we hoped had gone away. 1698 01:14:31.259 --> 01:14:34.366 But the evil we once invited in 1699 01:14:36.057 --> 01:14:38.474 has found its way back home. 1700 01:14:39.923 --> 01:14:43.444 The Amityville Horror has a new address. 1701 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:44.480 - No! 1702 01:14:44.514 --> 01:14:47.828 [eerie dramatic music] 1703 01:14:47.862 --> 01:14:49.105 - It's payback time. 1704 01:14:49.139 --> 01:14:50.934 - I think there's a scene in that movie 1705 01:14:51.625 --> 01:14:55.870 where someone gets stung on their butt 1706 01:14:55.905 --> 01:14:58.701 by a wasp or something like that 1707 01:14:58.735 --> 01:15:01.427 and it was a girl in the film 1708 01:15:01.462 --> 01:15:04.534 but they made a mold of my butt [laughs] for it 1709 01:15:04.569 --> 01:15:06.916 for the closeup shot of the thing being done 1710 01:15:06.950 --> 01:15:08.780 and uh [laughing]. 1711 01:15:10.229 --> 01:15:11.679 I remember that very well. 1712 01:15:11.714 --> 01:15:13.370 Someone made a mold of my butt in the phone booth 1713 01:15:13.405 --> 01:15:16.166 and alginate real quick like, 1714 01:15:16.201 --> 01:15:20.032 and I think there's a giant rat in that movie, too. 1715 01:15:21.206 --> 01:15:23.691 We made a giant rat tail out of hot pour vinyl 1716 01:15:23.726 --> 01:15:24.968 and it was attached to a chain, 1717 01:15:25.003 --> 01:15:26.452 which is basically the same material 1718 01:15:26.487 --> 01:15:27.902 that dildoes are made out of. 1719 01:15:27.937 --> 01:15:30.008 But the movie's pretty inventive. 1720 01:15:30.042 --> 01:15:32.735 It has a lot of really cool creative ways 1721 01:15:32.769 --> 01:15:36.428 that they came up with to make the haunting new and fresh 1722 01:15:36.462 --> 01:15:39.569 and I think there's even like a father, 1723 01:15:39.604 --> 01:15:42.814 like a corpse of a father that keeps coming back 1724 01:15:42.848 --> 01:15:46.680 and he decays like more and more throughout the film 1725 01:15:46.714 --> 01:15:48.716 that my boss at the time, 1726 01:15:48.751 --> 01:15:50.718 had built all these different foam prosthetics 1727 01:15:50.753 --> 01:15:53.376 to show the degradation of his cadaver 1728 01:15:53.410 --> 01:15:54.377 throughout the film. 1729 01:15:54.411 --> 01:15:55.309 [cheery bell music] 1730 01:15:55.343 --> 01:15:56.241 - [Narrator] One cold night, 1731 01:15:56.275 --> 01:15:59.037 science and evil collide. 1732 01:15:59.071 --> 01:16:02.903 [screaming] [cheery rock music] 1733 01:16:02.937 --> 01:16:04.076 - Oh yeah. 1734 01:16:04.111 --> 01:16:06.458 [screaming] 1735 01:16:09.495 --> 01:16:11.636 [roaring] 1736 01:16:13.603 --> 01:16:15.812 [muffled gunshots] 1737 01:16:15.847 --> 01:16:18.608 - [Narrator] Now, a serial killer is on the loose. 1738 01:16:18.643 --> 01:16:21.507 - We haven't tested the acid on an amoeba 1739 01:16:21.542 --> 01:16:23.268 let alone a human cell. 1740 01:16:23.302 --> 01:16:25.097 This is a disaster. 1741 01:16:25.132 --> 01:16:26.720 - [Man] Look, I just something that doesn't belong 1742 01:16:26.754 --> 01:16:29.032 in this world and it's out there killing my friends. 1743 01:16:29.067 --> 01:16:30.240 Now tell me what it is. 1744 01:16:31.345 --> 01:16:32.760 - Jack Frost. 1745 01:16:32.795 --> 01:16:34.866 - Screaming Mad George had been hired 1746 01:16:34.900 --> 01:16:37.800 to do all the makeup effects and the snowman costumes 1747 01:16:37.834 --> 01:16:41.217 for that film, which was a low budget film, 1748 01:16:41.251 --> 01:16:46.222 and his foam fabricator, I heard, 1749 01:16:46.256 --> 01:16:48.189 he refused to make a snowman. 1750 01:16:48.224 --> 01:16:49.674 He didn't want to make a snowman. 1751 01:16:49.708 --> 01:16:51.192 That's what I heard. 1752 01:16:51.227 --> 01:16:53.712 I don't think the guy just quit for no good reason. 1753 01:16:53.747 --> 01:16:56.404 His good reason was, I don't want to make a snowman. 1754 01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:59.615 So Mike Deak called me and he said, 1755 01:16:59.649 --> 01:17:02.445 "Hey, man, can you help us out on this?" 1756 01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:03.860 and I said, sure. 1757 01:17:03.895 --> 01:17:08.900 You know, so we made at least two complete full suits. 1758 01:17:09.659 --> 01:17:10.833 We made upper bodies. 1759 01:17:10.867 --> 01:17:12.420 I think we made puppet heads, 1760 01:17:12.455 --> 01:17:16.770 including ones with big icicle fangs on it. 1761 01:17:16.804 --> 01:17:20.325 We made a thing for the end where it was supposed 1762 01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:23.121 to be melting but melted back into a human face 1763 01:17:23.155 --> 01:17:26.469 so it was, and for some reason they didn't use that. 1764 01:17:26.503 --> 01:17:28.126 I thought it looked kind of cool. 1765 01:17:28.160 --> 01:17:31.819 But you know, arms and gags and so forth like that. 1766 01:17:31.854 --> 01:17:33.649 I never went, I went up, 1767 01:17:33.683 --> 01:17:35.374 I think I went to the Lincoln Heights Jail 1768 01:17:35.409 --> 01:17:39.689 or one of the places they were shooting the prison scenes 1769 01:17:39.724 --> 01:17:44.694 but I never went up to Big Bear, 1770 01:17:45.591 --> 01:17:46.731 wherever they were shooting 1771 01:17:46.765 --> 01:17:48.629 and apparently they were shooting 1772 01:17:48.664 --> 01:17:53.669 in the most snowless winter of California history, 1773 01:17:55.118 --> 01:17:56.879 at least recent California history. 1774 01:17:56.913 --> 01:17:58.397 So if you look, you know, 1775 01:17:58.432 --> 01:18:01.400 there's little patches of snow which are actually, 1776 01:18:02.816 --> 01:18:05.370 cotton ground cover things that they would move around 1777 01:18:05.404 --> 01:18:06.647 from shot to shot. 1778 01:18:06.682 --> 01:18:09.167 So, I love the fact that there's almost 1779 01:18:09.201 --> 01:18:11.825 a completely snowless, ice free parking lot 1780 01:18:11.859 --> 01:18:13.309 and this is where they're having 1781 01:18:13.343 --> 01:18:15.967 their snowman building contest, so. 1782 01:18:16.001 --> 01:18:20.074 But anyway, it was an absolutely silly film 1783 01:18:20.109 --> 01:18:23.353 and it was made for a great first Total Fabrication 1784 01:18:23.388 --> 01:18:26.943 Christmas card, because we had a snowman for god sake 1785 01:18:28.669 --> 01:18:30.740 and also it was also because, 1786 01:18:32.638 --> 01:18:35.745 I remember had just gotten DirecTV 1787 01:18:35.780 --> 01:18:39.369 and apparently their listings constantly confused 1788 01:18:39.404 --> 01:18:42.787 the Michael Keaton family film by the same title 1789 01:18:42.821 --> 01:18:44.961 with this and I would switch it on. 1790 01:18:44.996 --> 01:18:49.069 I said, no that's not the G-rated film. 1791 01:18:49.103 --> 01:18:51.796 Some parents are probably gonna be a bit upset by this. 1792 01:18:51.830 --> 01:18:54.937 - [Narrator] It's Christmas time again in Snowmonton 1793 01:18:54.971 --> 01:18:56.973 and they want to get away from it away. 1794 01:18:57.008 --> 01:19:00.390 - It was exactly a year ago that it happened. 1795 01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:03.773 - And that's why we should be somewhere else for Christmas. 1796 01:19:03.808 --> 01:19:06.569 [upbeat music] [cheering] 1797 01:19:06.603 --> 01:19:07.812 - Another beauteous day in heaven, eh? 1798 01:19:07.846 --> 01:19:09.572 - Welcome to The Tropicana. 1799 01:19:09.606 --> 01:19:11.539 Your last resort in whole paradise. 1800 01:19:11.574 --> 01:19:13.783 - This is a job for Captain Fun! 1801 01:19:15.302 --> 01:19:16.648 ♪ Jingle bells jingle bells 1802 01:19:16.682 --> 01:19:18.995 - [Narrator] But there's trouble in paradise. 1803 01:19:19.030 --> 01:19:20.445 - Everybody's dead! 1804 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:22.378 - Oh no, not the scary dude. 1805 01:19:22.412 --> 01:19:24.380 - Scary dude's already here. 1806 01:19:24.414 --> 01:19:25.622 - Let's see, Jack Frost 2 1807 01:19:25.657 --> 01:19:28.833 I worked on set for a couple of days. 1808 01:19:28.867 --> 01:19:31.007 It was shot here in the San Fernando Valley 1809 01:19:31.042 --> 01:19:33.803 in the middle of summer and the whole thing 1810 01:19:33.838 --> 01:19:35.425 takes place in the winter 1811 01:19:35.460 --> 01:19:39.636 and it was shot at a, like a ranch up in, 1812 01:19:41.121 --> 01:19:42.605 I want to say Nordhoff, 1813 01:19:44.331 --> 01:19:45.815 Northridge, Northridge maybe? 1814 01:19:45.850 --> 01:19:49.646 And uh, the entire, all the, 1815 01:19:49.681 --> 01:19:51.959 most people don't know but all the snow in that movie 1816 01:19:51.994 --> 01:19:55.411 was soap and they had these machines 1817 01:19:55.445 --> 01:19:57.965 that they would make like all this sudsy soap 1818 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:00.830 allover the place and it was shot in the middle of summer. 1819 01:20:00.865 --> 01:20:02.004 So it was hot. 1820 01:20:02.038 --> 01:20:03.626 There was soap allover the ground 1821 01:20:03.660 --> 01:20:04.903 and everybody was walking around 1822 01:20:04.938 --> 01:20:07.250 and literally like the soap was like moldy, 1823 01:20:07.285 --> 01:20:09.874 it was moldy after a week or so 1824 01:20:09.908 --> 01:20:12.669 on the ground with the heat and the water and the moist 1825 01:20:12.704 --> 01:20:15.845 and you know, but it was pretty inventive. 1826 01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:16.881 It looked amazing on camera. 1827 01:20:16.915 --> 01:20:19.159 You would have never known that. 1828 01:20:19.193 --> 01:20:22.887 I just remember coming in for some of the kills, 1829 01:20:22.921 --> 01:20:27.029 helping my boss, at the time, build this giant icicle 1830 01:20:27.063 --> 01:20:29.755 that like impales a lover, two lovers, 1831 01:20:29.790 --> 01:20:30.687 or something like that 1832 01:20:30.722 --> 01:20:33.414 and puppeteering some of the, 1833 01:20:33.449 --> 01:20:35.451 I think there will killer snowballs, I think. 1834 01:20:35.485 --> 01:20:37.902 Little like gremlin like killer snowball puppets 1835 01:20:37.936 --> 01:20:41.664 and helping the stunt performer get into the costume 1836 01:20:41.698 --> 01:20:43.942 for the main killer snowman 1837 01:20:43.977 --> 01:20:48.878 and I do remember that they had a giant carrot nose 1838 01:20:50.052 --> 01:20:52.226 that they used to drop on a miniature ship, 1839 01:20:52.261 --> 01:20:54.332 a miniature boat at the end of the movie, 1840 01:20:54.366 --> 01:20:55.781 like he was melted, right, he was snow 1841 01:20:55.816 --> 01:20:58.267 and then a giant carrot smashes the boat. 1842 01:20:58.301 --> 01:21:00.441 So there was some pretty and innovative things 1843 01:21:00.476 --> 01:21:01.477 they did for that film. 1844 01:21:01.511 --> 01:21:03.513 - [Narrator] The wrong night. 1845 01:21:03.548 --> 01:21:04.825 - What the hell was that? 1846 01:21:04.860 --> 01:21:06.378 - [Narrator] The wrong road. 1847 01:21:06.413 --> 01:21:08.794 - That son of a bitch siphoned our tank. 1848 01:21:08.829 --> 01:21:10.762 - [Narrator] One wrong turn. 1849 01:21:10.796 --> 01:21:12.522 - Guys, maybe we should go back up to the road. 1850 01:21:12.557 --> 01:21:15.663 That way if a car comes then they can call for help. 1851 01:21:15.698 --> 01:21:17.838 - Yeah, right before they kill us. 1852 01:21:17.873 --> 01:21:20.703 - [Narrator] And four teenagers are about to learn 1853 01:21:20.737 --> 01:21:23.602 that when you tell too many scary stories 1854 01:21:23.637 --> 01:21:25.846 you just might end up in one. 1855 01:21:25.881 --> 01:21:28.676 [Gimme Shelter by The Rolling Stones] 1856 01:21:28.711 --> 01:21:31.093 - I see you [mumbles]! 1857 01:21:31.127 --> 01:21:32.266 - Mom, Mom, Mom! 1858 01:21:32.301 --> 01:21:33.267 There's a man under my bed! 1859 01:21:33.302 --> 01:21:34.924 ♪ Alive today 1860 01:21:34.959 --> 01:21:39.411 ♪ If I don't get no shelter 1861 01:21:39.446 --> 01:21:42.587 ♪ Oh yeah I'm gonna fade away 1862 01:21:42.621 --> 01:21:43.864 - No! 1863 01:21:43.899 --> 01:21:46.384 ♪ Oh children 1864 01:21:47.764 --> 01:21:49.801 - Get away from me! 1865 01:21:49.835 --> 01:21:51.251 ♪ He's just a shot away 1866 01:21:51.285 --> 01:21:54.081 - If they stop me, you lock your doors 1867 01:21:54.116 --> 01:21:55.565 and wait for sun up. 1868 01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:58.568 ♪ He's just a shot away 1869 01:21:58.603 --> 01:22:00.053 - How bizarre was that? 1870 01:22:00.087 --> 01:22:01.640 - [Narrator] Campfire Tales. 1871 01:22:01.675 --> 01:22:04.057 - Lets see, I was brought in on Campfire Tales 1872 01:22:04.091 --> 01:22:07.301 by my special effects peer, Mark Villalobos 1873 01:22:07.336 --> 01:22:09.165 a that the time, and he's like, 1874 01:22:09.200 --> 01:22:10.718 "Joe, come on with me to set. 1875 01:22:10.753 --> 01:22:13.687 We're gonna do this, we're gonna do this bloody scene, 1876 01:22:13.721 --> 01:22:16.483 bloody sequence" and I came in for one day 1877 01:22:16.517 --> 01:22:19.900 and it was a scene in a cabin, I believe, 1878 01:22:19.935 --> 01:22:24.560 that is completely destroyed. 1879 01:22:24.594 --> 01:22:27.080 It looked like a massacre had been taken place inside 1880 01:22:27.114 --> 01:22:30.876 and at the time, the set was custom built 1881 01:22:30.911 --> 01:22:33.707 by the art department and it was shot on location 1882 01:22:33.741 --> 01:22:36.261 but I believe the set was built inside 1883 01:22:36.296 --> 01:22:38.919 of another room on location. 1884 01:22:38.954 --> 01:22:41.335 So someone had come in and literally put a wall 1885 01:22:41.370 --> 01:22:43.786 over another wall and walls over these walls 1886 01:22:43.820 --> 01:22:45.822 and brought in furniture to make it look like a cabin 1887 01:22:45.857 --> 01:22:47.031 and what not. 1888 01:22:47.065 --> 01:22:48.377 I don't know if the pieces were rented 1889 01:22:48.411 --> 01:22:51.000 or they were built by hand 1890 01:22:51.035 --> 01:22:52.760 but there was this iron stove 1891 01:22:52.795 --> 01:22:54.348 and there was all kinds of stuff in there 1892 01:22:54.383 --> 01:22:56.557 and the director was like, 1893 01:22:56.592 --> 01:22:59.353 "Okay this scene, I want to be the bloodiest, 1894 01:22:59.388 --> 01:23:00.941 bloodiest scene ever." 1895 01:23:00.976 --> 01:23:02.805 He's like, put some blood on the wall. 1896 01:23:02.839 --> 01:23:04.876 So we looked over at the art director, 1897 01:23:04.910 --> 01:23:06.119 who had built this beautiful set 1898 01:23:06.153 --> 01:23:07.741 and we're like, we're gonna put some blood 1899 01:23:07.775 --> 01:23:09.018 over here on the wall 1900 01:23:09.053 --> 01:23:10.882 and she's like, "Okay but we have to clean it, 1901 01:23:10.916 --> 01:23:12.125 we have to keep it clean, 1902 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:14.092 I mean I have to shoot it clean tomorrow." 1903 01:23:14.127 --> 01:23:16.129 And I'm like, okay so we go put some blood on the wall 1904 01:23:16.163 --> 01:23:16.992 and the director's like, 1905 01:23:17.026 --> 01:23:17.923 "No, no, no. 1906 01:23:17.958 --> 01:23:19.132 I need more blood than that. 1907 01:23:19.166 --> 01:23:20.374 I need some blood over here 1908 01:23:20.409 --> 01:23:21.997 and then I need blood over there." 1909 01:23:22.031 --> 01:23:23.412 So, we literally went, 1910 01:23:23.446 --> 01:23:25.034 I remember we went back to the car 1911 01:23:25.069 --> 01:23:28.210 to get like another two gallons of blood 1912 01:23:28.244 --> 01:23:29.418 and we emptied it on the walls 1913 01:23:29.452 --> 01:23:30.626 and the director came back and he goes, 1914 01:23:30.660 --> 01:23:33.249 "I still see blank spots. 1915 01:23:33.284 --> 01:23:36.218 I need it to be blood all over the walls." 1916 01:23:36.252 --> 01:23:37.840 And I looked over at the art director 1917 01:23:37.874 --> 01:23:38.875 and she just like, 1918 01:23:40.049 --> 01:23:43.604 like in the nicest possible voice, 1919 01:23:43.639 --> 01:23:48.540 all she said was, "But it has to be clean for tomorrow." 1920 01:23:48.575 --> 01:23:50.542 And we went in and filled in the rest of the wall 1921 01:23:50.577 --> 01:23:51.681 and I have a picture. 1922 01:23:51.716 --> 01:23:53.166 It's like my memory from that, 1923 01:23:53.200 --> 01:23:56.376 just a picture we destroyed this beautiful set with blood. 1924 01:23:56.410 --> 01:23:58.067 I have no, I didn't go back the next day. 1925 01:23:58.102 --> 01:24:00.656 I don't know how they were able to clean that up 1926 01:24:00.690 --> 01:24:03.348 or what happened or how they shot that. 1927 01:24:03.383 --> 01:24:04.867 So [laughs]. 1928 01:24:04.901 --> 01:24:07.387 [eerie music] 1929 01:24:10.735 --> 01:24:14.014 - [Narrator] Welcome to Hall House. 1930 01:24:14.049 --> 01:24:16.189 - According to the legend, it's not haunted. 1931 01:24:18.846 --> 01:24:20.365 It's possessed. 1932 01:24:20.400 --> 01:24:21.711 A gateway to hell. 1933 01:24:21.746 --> 01:24:23.437 - [Narrator] Where this Halloween, 1934 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:27.545 Angela's planning one hell of a party. 1935 01:24:28.477 --> 01:24:29.685 - Come. 1936 01:24:29.719 --> 01:24:31.411 - [Narrator] A night filled with tricks 1937 01:24:32.860 --> 01:24:35.000 and deadly treats. 1938 01:24:35.035 --> 01:24:40.040 [screaming] [epic dramatic music] 1939 01:25:06.825 --> 01:25:08.655 Night of the Demons 3. 1940 01:25:09.725 --> 01:25:11.106 - I remember there was like a giant long 1941 01:25:11.140 --> 01:25:12.417 like serpent tongue that comes out 1942 01:25:12.452 --> 01:25:13.970 of Angela's mouth at one point 1943 01:25:14.005 --> 01:25:16.697 and goes through the back of someone's head, I believe. 1944 01:25:18.182 --> 01:25:20.667 The front part of it is an actual prosthetic 1945 01:25:20.701 --> 01:25:22.289 that the actress wore in her mouth 1946 01:25:22.324 --> 01:25:23.566 but then the actual tongue, 1947 01:25:23.601 --> 01:25:26.190 the long big tongue was fabricated out of foam 1948 01:25:26.224 --> 01:25:28.053 and I put it on the end of a pole 1949 01:25:28.088 --> 01:25:29.745 so it could be shoved out the fake out 1950 01:25:29.779 --> 01:25:31.126 and through the back of the guy's head. 1951 01:25:31.160 --> 01:25:33.058 - I do remember when I wrote it 1952 01:25:33.093 --> 01:25:37.062 and then talking to the director by phone, 1953 01:25:37.097 --> 01:25:38.754 who had not seen the first two, 1954 01:25:38.788 --> 01:25:41.446 and I could tell he had no feel for the material, 1955 01:25:41.481 --> 01:25:43.103 he hadn't seen the first two. 1956 01:25:43.138 --> 01:25:45.416 He was gonna take this script, 1957 01:25:45.450 --> 01:25:47.521 which was a Night of the Demons script, 1958 01:25:47.556 --> 01:25:50.214 which I went back and read Joe's first two scripts, 1959 01:25:50.248 --> 01:25:53.872 Night of the Demons one and copied the feeling 1960 01:25:53.907 --> 01:25:55.943 and the dialog and the characters. 1961 01:25:55.978 --> 01:25:57.393 So it was like a high school romp 1962 01:25:57.428 --> 01:26:00.189 with a lot of blood and gore and nudity 1963 01:26:00.224 --> 01:26:04.055 and this guy was trying to make The Exorcist 1964 01:26:04.089 --> 01:26:05.539 and it's like. 1965 01:26:05.574 --> 01:26:08.991 - [Narrator] Some secrets should never be learned. 1966 01:26:10.165 --> 01:26:13.823 Some borders should never be crossed. 1967 01:26:14.755 --> 01:26:16.136 Some games. 1968 01:26:16.171 --> 01:26:17.310 - Are you here? 1969 01:26:17.344 --> 01:26:18.621 - [Narrator] Should never be played. 1970 01:26:19.657 --> 01:26:21.383 Witchboard 2. 1971 01:26:21.417 --> 01:26:22.901 - What happened was Republic Pictures 1972 01:26:22.936 --> 01:26:25.214 picked up to the rights to the original Witchboard 1973 01:26:25.249 --> 01:26:27.768 and Night of the Demons for video distribution 1974 01:26:27.803 --> 01:26:29.770 and they were both such big hits for them 1975 01:26:29.805 --> 01:26:32.946 that they commissioned that some company 1976 01:26:32.980 --> 01:26:36.225 to make two sequels to Witchboard 1977 01:26:36.260 --> 01:26:38.296 and two sequels to Night of the Demons. 1978 01:26:38.331 --> 01:26:40.402 So this was the first time they didn't have 1979 01:26:40.436 --> 01:26:42.197 to go out and raise the money themselves, 1980 01:26:42.231 --> 01:26:44.164 Republic gave them the money 1981 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:48.720 and basically they became producers for hire. 1982 01:26:48.755 --> 01:26:51.792 So they made two Witchboard sequels 1983 01:26:51.827 --> 01:26:53.622 and two Night of the Demon sequels 1984 01:26:53.656 --> 01:26:56.176 and Witchboard 2 was the first. 1985 01:26:56.211 --> 01:26:58.247 So they did come out in some theaters, 1986 01:26:58.282 --> 01:27:00.836 like in very niche markets 1987 01:27:00.870 --> 01:27:03.494 but it never had the wide release 1988 01:27:03.528 --> 01:27:05.772 that the original Witchboard had had, obviously. 1989 01:27:05.806 --> 01:27:08.050 Limited to my hometown, I think. 1990 01:27:08.084 --> 01:27:10.570 No, that's the one place it didn't play. 1991 01:27:11.916 --> 01:27:14.919 [eerie tense music] 1992 01:27:16.886 --> 01:27:18.923 [screaming] 1993 01:27:18.957 --> 01:27:21.960 [eerie tense music] 1994 01:27:26.448 --> 01:27:28.864 [screaming] 1995 01:27:39.115 --> 01:27:40.565 The guys who made Witchboard 1996 01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:41.808 and Night of the Demons got hired. 1997 01:27:41.842 --> 01:27:43.465 Now that they were producers for hire, 1998 01:27:43.499 --> 01:27:45.087 they were getting hired by other companies. 1999 01:27:45.121 --> 01:27:49.091 Trimark, because of their success with Leprechaun, 2000 01:27:49.125 --> 01:27:51.438 wanted to do a Pinocchio film 2001 01:27:51.473 --> 01:27:53.820 and they had found a script 2002 01:27:53.854 --> 01:27:55.580 and they were gonna make it 2003 01:27:55.615 --> 01:27:58.928 and they were gonna make it for like 1.5 million 2004 01:27:59.791 --> 01:28:01.034 but the guy who wrote the script 2005 01:28:01.068 --> 01:28:03.416 was a first time writer slash director 2006 01:28:03.450 --> 01:28:06.211 and he was convinced this thing was 2007 01:28:06.246 --> 01:28:08.075 the next Gone with the Wind 2008 01:28:08.110 --> 01:28:10.146 and he wouldn't agree to do it 2009 01:28:10.181 --> 01:28:13.046 if the budget was less than three million. 2010 01:28:13.080 --> 01:28:15.980 So I think it was called Bad Pinocchio. 2011 01:28:16.014 --> 01:28:18.016 I don't remember who the writer was, 2012 01:28:18.051 --> 01:28:22.573 I read it and, not a fan. 2013 01:28:22.607 --> 01:28:24.091 It was pretty silly 2014 01:28:24.126 --> 01:28:26.370 but I wasn't a big fan of the Leprechaun films either. 2015 01:28:26.404 --> 01:28:29.683 I know that's sacrilege to all you Leprechaun fans 2016 01:28:29.718 --> 01:28:32.341 out there and my brother did do the score for two of them 2017 01:28:32.376 --> 01:28:36.518 but I'm not a big fan of the Leprechaun films 2018 01:28:36.552 --> 01:28:39.348 and Trimark had asked me, 2019 01:28:39.383 --> 01:28:41.419 tried to get me to do part two and then part three 2020 01:28:41.454 --> 01:28:42.731 and I turned them down. 2021 01:28:42.765 --> 01:28:44.457 So I think this was their way. 2022 01:28:45.354 --> 01:28:46.838 So when that fell through. 2023 01:28:46.873 --> 01:28:49.807 When the Bad Pinocchio fell through, 2024 01:28:49.841 --> 01:28:51.809 these guys at Paragon were kind 2025 01:28:51.843 --> 01:28:53.638 of gonna be out of work now. 2026 01:28:53.673 --> 01:28:57.539 So they really quickly said to Mark Amin, 2027 01:28:57.573 --> 01:28:59.195 "Well you know, this guy doesn't own the rights 2028 01:28:59.230 --> 01:29:02.060 to Pinocchio, we can't do his script 2029 01:29:02.095 --> 01:29:04.787 but we can still do a killer Pinocchio film" 2030 01:29:04.822 --> 01:29:06.962 and Mark said, "yeah but who would" 2031 01:29:06.996 --> 01:29:08.515 and they said, "what if we get Kevin?" 2032 01:29:08.550 --> 01:29:10.655 and he was like, "You'll never get Kevin 2033 01:29:10.690 --> 01:29:13.348 'cause he keeps turning down the Leprechaun films." 2034 01:29:14.728 --> 01:29:18.491 So they came to me and I said I would agree to do it 2035 01:29:18.525 --> 01:29:20.355 if it could be more like magic 2036 01:29:20.389 --> 01:29:22.598 and less like Child's Play. 2037 01:29:22.633 --> 01:29:24.704 'Cause I really didn't want to do a Child's Play. 2038 01:29:24.738 --> 01:29:26.533 I'm not a big fan of the big puppets. 2039 01:29:26.568 --> 01:29:27.672 As a matter of fact, 2040 01:29:27.707 --> 01:29:28.949 I would never had written and directed Pinocchio 2041 01:29:28.984 --> 01:29:30.744 as a spec ever. 2042 01:29:30.779 --> 01:29:32.643 It was because it was a work for hire. 2043 01:29:32.677 --> 01:29:35.784 But I said, I would beinterested if I could do it more 2044 01:29:35.818 --> 01:29:37.061 it's a psychological thriller 2045 01:29:37.095 --> 01:29:38.752 and at the end you don't really know 2046 01:29:38.787 --> 01:29:41.341 and they were like, oh, they weren't crazy about that 2047 01:29:41.376 --> 01:29:42.791 and I said, Here's what we'll do. 2048 01:29:42.825 --> 01:29:44.724 In the final scene she gets hit in the head 2049 01:29:44.758 --> 01:29:46.864 and she sees the Pinocchio doll attack her 2050 01:29:46.898 --> 01:29:49.556 but then at the end, she say well she had been hit 2051 01:29:49.591 --> 01:29:51.558 in the head, maybe she imagined it 2052 01:29:51.593 --> 01:29:53.457 and it was really her daughter attacking her. 2053 01:29:53.491 --> 01:29:56.460 That way, you still get the attacking Pinocchio 2054 01:29:56.494 --> 01:30:00.878 for your trailer, but I still get my ambiguous ending 2055 01:30:00.912 --> 01:30:02.914 and they wanted a killer puppet. 2056 01:30:02.949 --> 01:30:05.261 So that was the compromise we made. 2057 01:30:05.296 --> 01:30:06.539 - I'm back. 2058 01:30:06.573 --> 01:30:09.058 - I barely remember working in Leprechaun 2 2059 01:30:09.093 --> 01:30:12.096 and you know what, I've seen Warwick Davis a few times, 2060 01:30:12.130 --> 01:30:13.615 and first of all, 2061 01:30:13.649 --> 01:30:17.722 it's wonderful, Ron knew him from Willow 2062 01:30:17.757 --> 01:30:20.449 but the fact that he got this horror franchise 2063 01:30:20.484 --> 01:30:25.281 as a little person, limited casting options, 2064 01:30:25.316 --> 01:30:26.455 he cashed in. 2065 01:30:26.490 --> 01:30:31.046 That whole character was a complete re shoot, 2066 01:30:31.080 --> 01:30:33.531 that character didn't exist in the first draft 2067 01:30:33.566 --> 01:30:37.397 of the script and I actually auditioned for the movie 2068 01:30:37.432 --> 01:30:39.813 and didn't get a role. 2069 01:30:39.848 --> 01:30:41.263 The director, Tony Randel, 2070 01:30:41.297 --> 01:30:43.645 I never really talked to him about, 2071 01:30:43.679 --> 01:30:45.267 but I never got the call 2072 01:30:45.301 --> 01:30:46.820 and Dad worked on it 2073 01:30:46.855 --> 01:30:51.238 and then I got a call from Tony 2074 01:30:51.273 --> 01:30:53.033 saying that they just felt like they needed 2075 01:30:53.068 --> 01:30:55.484 some more horror, some more, 2076 01:30:55.519 --> 01:30:57.417 you know, what they needed. 2077 01:30:57.452 --> 01:30:59.488 It was too much standing around and talking 2078 01:30:59.523 --> 01:31:01.801 and they invented my character, 2079 01:31:01.835 --> 01:31:04.597 which is hard for me to imagine 2080 01:31:04.631 --> 01:31:07.634 because it's such a central character in the story, 2081 01:31:07.669 --> 01:31:09.705 but the idea is you never really saw the ticks, 2082 01:31:09.740 --> 01:31:12.570 how they got steroid-ed up, 2083 01:31:12.605 --> 01:31:14.365 you know and so you meet me 2084 01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:15.746 and we shot all night 2085 01:31:15.780 --> 01:31:20.716 and it had to been 32 degrees out in Malibu, 2086 01:31:22.615 --> 01:31:24.133 'cause we were out in Malibu canyon 2087 01:31:24.168 --> 01:31:26.998 and it was sure nice to have that makeup on, 2088 01:31:27.033 --> 01:31:29.518 'cause it makes you a lot warmer 2089 01:31:29.553 --> 01:31:32.521 and I remember I'm infested, 2090 01:31:32.556 --> 01:31:35.179 because finally it was kind of so late at night 2091 01:31:35.213 --> 01:31:37.457 and it was so crazy that when it was time 2092 01:31:37.492 --> 01:31:39.286 to really go for it. 2093 01:31:39.321 --> 01:31:40.425 I'm infected! 2094 01:31:41.634 --> 01:31:44.015 Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four was, 2095 01:31:44.050 --> 01:31:46.293 I thought was a really good experience. 2096 01:31:46.328 --> 01:31:49.089 Brian Yuzna was an old friend of mine 2097 01:31:49.124 --> 01:31:52.921 and we had worked together partially in a few things 2098 01:31:52.955 --> 01:31:56.441 but he directs and he was the guy that did 2099 01:31:56.476 --> 01:31:59.652 the Bride of Re-Animator, the Re-Animator movies, 2100 01:31:59.686 --> 01:32:01.170 he produced them. 2101 01:32:01.205 --> 01:32:04.208 He was making this Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four, 2102 01:32:04.242 --> 01:32:06.659 and it had nothing to do with Christmas, 2103 01:32:06.693 --> 01:32:09.489 it had nothing to do with Silent Night Deadly Night 2104 01:32:09.524 --> 01:32:11.491 Part Three, Brian didn't care 2105 01:32:11.526 --> 01:32:15.184 and there was a guy named Screaming Mad George, 2106 01:32:15.219 --> 01:32:16.496 who did the special effects, 2107 01:32:16.531 --> 01:32:18.084 they were just a lot of gooey, 2108 01:32:18.118 --> 01:32:19.672 kind of slimy creatures 2109 01:32:19.706 --> 01:32:24.711 and I played, I played a homeless guy 2110 01:32:26.092 --> 01:32:28.059 that was sort of the henchman of these witches. 2111 01:32:28.094 --> 01:32:31.131 I went and got a 12-pack and was drinking it. 2112 01:32:31.166 --> 01:32:32.408 I was playing a homeless guy. 2113 01:32:32.443 --> 01:32:34.859 I could afford to have a little buzz 2114 01:32:34.894 --> 01:32:36.930 and I remember the production manager 2115 01:32:36.965 --> 01:32:39.795 took away my 12-pack after I had three or four 2116 01:32:39.830 --> 01:32:41.763 and that really pissed me off 2117 01:32:41.797 --> 01:32:43.592 and I went and bought another 12-pack 2118 01:32:43.627 --> 01:32:44.835 the first break I had. 2119 01:32:44.869 --> 01:32:46.457 - [Narrator] A bizarre event. 2120 01:32:46.491 --> 01:32:47.941 - This would make a great story. 2121 01:32:47.976 --> 01:32:51.807 - [Narrator] For her, it was the chance of a lifetime. 2122 01:32:51.842 --> 01:32:55.155 - I work for the LA Eye, I'm an investigative reporter. 2123 01:32:55.190 --> 01:32:57.226 There's got to be some logical explanation for the burning. 2124 01:32:57.261 --> 01:32:59.435 - [Narrator] But some questions. 2125 01:32:59.470 --> 01:33:01.472 - Get away from me, leave me alone. 2126 01:33:01.506 --> 01:33:03.578 - [Narrator] Are better left unanswered. 2127 01:33:03.612 --> 01:33:06.373 - What happened, are you all right? 2128 01:33:06.408 --> 01:33:07.651 The woman who jumped. 2129 01:33:07.685 --> 01:33:09.066 - She was my daughter. 2130 01:33:09.100 --> 01:33:11.516 But now you've come to take her place. 2131 01:33:11.551 --> 01:33:13.104 - Make your fear real. 2132 01:33:13.139 --> 01:33:13.898 Get it out. 2133 01:33:15.348 --> 01:33:18.213 - [Narrator] It's the night you've been waiting for. 2134 01:33:18.247 --> 01:33:19.283 - Please help. 2135 01:33:19.317 --> 01:33:20.525 - Kill the man. 2136 01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:22.597 Became a whole woman. 2137 01:33:22.631 --> 01:33:24.046 [screaming] 2138 01:33:24.081 --> 01:33:25.738 - [Narrator] The night you've been screaming for. 2139 01:33:25.772 --> 01:33:27.256 - It's the final step. 2140 01:33:27.291 --> 01:33:30.087 - [Narrator] Silent Night Deadly Night 4. 2141 01:33:30.121 --> 01:33:31.536 Initiation. 2142 01:33:31.571 --> 01:33:32.399 - Clint was great. 2143 01:33:32.434 --> 01:33:33.918 He's really a good actor 2144 01:33:33.953 --> 01:33:37.059 and very easy going on the set. 2145 01:33:37.094 --> 01:33:40.787 So when the first Silent Night Deadly Night movie came out 2146 01:33:41.719 --> 01:33:44.066 Santa Claus was the killer. 2147 01:33:44.101 --> 01:33:46.034 That's not right. 2148 01:33:46.068 --> 01:33:47.932 There are lines that you don't cross 2149 01:33:47.967 --> 01:33:49.140 and that's one of them. 2150 01:33:49.175 --> 01:33:50.625 You don't make Santa Clause a killer 2151 01:33:50.659 --> 01:33:54.663 and I vowed, you know, all of like 29 years old, 2152 01:33:54.698 --> 01:33:57.562 well I'm never gonna do a Santa Claus killer movie, 2153 01:33:57.597 --> 01:33:58.633 'cause that's not okay. 2154 01:33:58.667 --> 01:34:00.082 That is not okay. 2155 01:34:00.117 --> 01:34:01.394 You can't cross that line. 2156 01:34:01.428 --> 01:34:04.984 So, fast forward, you know, a year later, 2157 01:34:05.018 --> 01:34:06.399 two, three years later. 2158 01:34:06.433 --> 01:34:07.745 I'm going in on this audition 2159 01:34:07.780 --> 01:34:10.472 and I've already done a couple horror films 2160 01:34:11.853 --> 01:34:16.512 and I go in for this movie called The Initiation. 2161 01:34:16.547 --> 01:34:19.584 Now very often, you don't get to see the script, 2162 01:34:19.619 --> 01:34:21.345 you just get like three scenes. 2163 01:34:21.379 --> 01:34:24.175 So I do my scenes, they call me back, 2164 01:34:24.210 --> 01:34:26.833 it goes well, I'm feeling great. 2165 01:34:26.868 --> 01:34:29.422 Go back again, get the part. 2166 01:34:29.456 --> 01:34:31.700 I'm meeting a buddy, I'm on my way home, 2167 01:34:31.735 --> 01:34:33.460 my buddy's gonna meet me at my house, 2168 01:34:33.495 --> 01:34:34.979 we're gonna head to a party or something afterwards. 2169 01:34:35.014 --> 01:34:36.429 He's in the driveway. 2170 01:34:36.463 --> 01:34:39.294 He's like, "Hey, Tommy how'd it go? 2171 01:34:39.328 --> 01:34:41.020 I go, I got the part. 2172 01:34:41.054 --> 01:34:42.228 He goes, "What was that again?" 2173 01:34:42.262 --> 01:34:44.264 I go, it's a movie called The Initiation. 2174 01:34:44.299 --> 01:34:46.439 He's like, "Oh, right. 2175 01:34:46.473 --> 01:34:47.958 Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four." 2176 01:34:47.992 --> 01:34:49.614 I go, no, no. 2177 01:34:49.649 --> 01:34:51.478 It's called The Initiation. 2178 01:34:51.513 --> 01:34:55.034 He's like, "No, Silent Night Deadly Night Part Four, 2179 01:34:55.068 --> 01:34:56.000 The Initiation. 2180 01:34:56.035 --> 01:34:57.450 I'm like, no! 2181 01:34:57.484 --> 01:34:59.728 I said I would never do one. 2182 01:34:59.763 --> 01:35:01.592 When I read the script finally, 2183 01:35:01.626 --> 01:35:04.422 when they finally gave me a script to read, 2184 01:35:04.457 --> 01:35:09.324 like the first page, I am, my character 2185 01:35:09.358 --> 01:35:13.949 is having sex with this woman up against the wall 2186 01:35:13.984 --> 01:35:16.331 in a seedy hotel shot from behind 2187 01:35:16.365 --> 01:35:20.576 and I'm like, oh, oh. 2188 01:35:20.611 --> 01:35:22.440 Okay, wow. 2189 01:35:23.614 --> 01:35:27.549 My butt is gonna be on film for eternity. 2190 01:35:28.999 --> 01:35:31.553 I'm gonna have the best looking butt in the business 2191 01:35:31.587 --> 01:35:34.901 and so for the next, you know, whatever it was. 2192 01:35:34.936 --> 01:35:36.420 I was already in pretty good shape 2193 01:35:36.454 --> 01:35:39.630 but for the next few weeks I'm just like, 2194 01:35:39.664 --> 01:35:42.322 doing butt exercises, doing butt exercises 2195 01:35:42.357 --> 01:35:43.945 'cause my butts gonna look awesome. 2196 01:35:43.979 --> 01:35:47.500 See the movie, they didn't use that part. 2197 01:35:47.534 --> 01:35:49.053 I'm like, come on! 2198 01:35:49.088 --> 01:35:50.641 My butt looked great 2199 01:35:50.675 --> 01:35:52.781 and I didn't even realize back that 2200 01:35:52.816 --> 01:35:57.372 that it had such a like Hitchcockian thing about it 2201 01:35:57.406 --> 01:35:58.994 and it is really cool 2202 01:35:59.029 --> 01:36:03.136 and I found myself just riveted just watching 2203 01:36:03.171 --> 01:36:05.035 Neith and what so goes through 2204 01:36:05.069 --> 01:36:07.589 and what's going on in her mind. 2205 01:36:07.623 --> 01:36:09.487 She always had stuff going on. 2206 01:36:09.522 --> 01:36:11.075 I mean there's not like a lot of moments 2207 01:36:11.110 --> 01:36:14.389 on the screen where you don't see the wheels just turning. 2208 01:36:14.423 --> 01:36:17.668 - There are no bad days here at Wishing Well. 2209 01:36:17.702 --> 01:36:19.463 Only happy days. 2210 01:36:19.497 --> 01:36:21.327 [screaming] 2211 01:36:21.361 --> 01:36:22.707 - Open wide, Gregory. 2212 01:36:22.742 --> 01:36:24.330 - [Narrator] It is a happy day, 2213 01:36:24.364 --> 01:36:27.643 now he's out, rehabilitated with a brand new job. 2214 01:36:27.678 --> 01:36:29.059 - Here you go. 2215 01:36:29.093 --> 01:36:32.821 - I'd like to buy a gallon of your hard pack. 2216 01:36:32.856 --> 01:36:36.100 - Next. 2217 01:36:36.135 --> 01:36:38.102 You didn't say please. 2218 01:36:38.137 --> 01:36:40.242 - Did you see little Rodger Smith today? 2219 01:36:40.277 --> 01:36:41.692 - He was that park, why? 2220 01:36:41.726 --> 01:36:42.727 [screaming] 2221 01:36:42.762 --> 01:36:44.212 - We got a missing kid. 2222 01:36:44.246 --> 01:36:46.524 - [Narrator] His ice cream has a secret ingredient. 2223 01:36:46.559 --> 01:36:47.940 - What the hell is that ice cream dork 2224 01:36:47.974 --> 01:36:49.631 doing out this late? 2225 01:36:49.665 --> 01:36:51.253 - What's your favorite flavor? 2226 01:36:51.288 --> 01:36:52.496 - Wow. 2227 01:36:52.530 --> 01:36:54.463 - Oh, he's so kind to the little children. 2228 01:36:54.498 --> 01:36:56.017 - I brought you something special. 2229 01:36:56.051 --> 01:36:58.364 - Oh, sounds yummy. 2230 01:36:58.398 --> 01:36:59.986 [screaming] 2231 01:37:00.021 --> 01:37:01.470 - [Interviewer] I know that you told me beforeon the phone you didn't believe 2232 01:37:01.505 --> 01:37:02.678 I actually watched [mumbles]. 2233 01:37:02.713 --> 01:37:04.128 Is that your internal attitude on it? 2234 01:37:04.163 --> 01:37:04.957 - Well, yeah. 2235 01:37:04.991 --> 01:37:06.924 I would have $50, 2236 01:37:06.959 --> 01:37:09.789 a $50 bounty, a prize, 2237 01:37:09.824 --> 01:37:11.860 if anybody can prove to me that they just 2238 01:37:11.895 --> 01:37:13.344 would sit and watch it just straight through, 2239 01:37:13.379 --> 01:37:16.831 like waste two hours of their life watching the movie. 2240 01:37:16.865 --> 01:37:18.315 I'll give you $50. 2241 01:37:19.730 --> 01:37:22.077 I've never really had anybody step up and do it. 2242 01:37:22.112 --> 01:37:24.355 They've talked about and they say they've seen it 2243 01:37:24.390 --> 01:37:26.875 but to actually say, no I'm gonna watch it 2244 01:37:26.910 --> 01:37:29.705 and you know I'll put it on tape that I'm watching it, 2245 01:37:29.740 --> 01:37:30.810 you get $50. 2246 01:37:30.845 --> 01:37:32.225 I had a blast making it 2247 01:37:32.260 --> 01:37:35.332 and Norman and I are really close friends, 2248 01:37:35.366 --> 01:37:36.540 the fellow that directed it 2249 01:37:36.574 --> 01:37:38.714 and it was an important part, 2250 01:37:38.749 --> 01:37:40.647 an important time in my life 2251 01:37:40.682 --> 01:37:42.580 and getting to play the lead 2252 01:37:42.615 --> 01:37:45.135 was something that, you know, 2253 01:37:45.169 --> 01:37:46.895 actors that's what we strive for. 2254 01:37:46.930 --> 01:37:51.382 I mean all actors dream of being the matinee idol, 2255 01:37:51.417 --> 01:37:53.074 and I wasn't gonna be the matinee idol 2256 01:37:53.108 --> 01:37:54.903 but I, you know, I want my sirloin. 2257 01:37:54.938 --> 01:37:57.457 [eerie music] 2258 01:38:11.126 --> 01:38:13.888 - [Narrator] Dr. Allen Feinstone is back in business. 2259 01:38:13.922 --> 01:38:15.613 - [Man] Just a small country practice. 2260 01:38:15.648 --> 01:38:17.374 - [Narrator] Doing what he does best. 2261 01:38:17.408 --> 01:38:18.754 - Want to open wide? 2262 01:38:18.789 --> 01:38:20.308 - [Narrator] He's practicing under a new name. 2263 01:38:20.342 --> 01:38:22.758 - Jamie Devers, Dr. Lawrence Caine. 2264 01:38:22.793 --> 01:38:23.967 - Hi. 2265 01:38:24.001 --> 01:38:25.692 - Larry's just moved here to Paradise. 2266 01:38:25.727 --> 01:38:26.935 - I think I'm gonna like it here. 2267 01:38:26.970 --> 01:38:28.143 - [Narrator] And he's given his patience. 2268 01:38:28.178 --> 01:38:29.455 - Smile. 2269 01:38:29.489 --> 01:38:31.146 - [Narrator] The care they deserve. 2270 01:38:31.181 --> 01:38:34.839 - I got a feeling he's gonna be real good for this town. 2271 01:38:34.874 --> 01:38:36.151 - Whats wrong? 2272 01:38:36.186 --> 01:38:37.290 - A little toothache. 2273 01:38:37.325 --> 01:38:38.705 - May I look at it? 2274 01:38:38.740 --> 01:38:39.879 - Is it gonna hurt. 2275 01:38:39.914 --> 01:38:40.915 - Shouldn't. 2276 01:38:40.949 --> 01:38:42.502 - Dentist 2 is one of those ones 2277 01:38:42.537 --> 01:38:45.057 I'm really proud I got that notch in my gun belt. 2278 01:38:45.091 --> 01:38:48.129 Corbin Bernsen, Brian Yuzna again 2279 01:38:48.163 --> 01:38:50.372 and the wonderful thing about working 2280 01:38:50.407 --> 01:38:51.580 for Brian back in the day 2281 01:38:51.615 --> 01:38:54.963 is, of course, you get a little neurotic 2282 01:38:54.998 --> 01:38:56.447 when nobody gives you any notes. 2283 01:38:56.482 --> 01:38:57.690 It's like, how was I? 2284 01:38:57.724 --> 01:38:58.898 Did it work? 2285 01:38:58.933 --> 01:39:01.556 Does the scene work, too intense or whatever? 2286 01:39:01.590 --> 01:39:03.351 And Brian, very early on said, 2287 01:39:03.385 --> 01:39:06.216 "You know, I'm not an actor. 2288 01:39:06.250 --> 01:39:07.493 You're a lot better actor than I am. 2289 01:39:07.527 --> 01:39:09.322 I'm gonna leave the acting choices to you 2290 01:39:09.357 --> 01:39:11.946 and let me just do the, handle the shots." 2291 01:39:11.980 --> 01:39:15.328 So, by the time we did Dentist 2, 2292 01:39:15.363 --> 01:39:17.330 I mean listen, Corbin and I just were chewing 2293 01:39:17.365 --> 01:39:20.747 on the scenery, we had fun, we staged it. 2294 01:39:20.782 --> 01:39:22.128 The fake needle in the ear 2295 01:39:24.096 --> 01:39:26.581 and I still, if I had a product really, 2296 01:39:26.615 --> 01:39:27.892 it would be on it. 2297 01:39:27.927 --> 01:39:30.585 It, 'cause I just feel like 2298 01:39:30.619 --> 01:39:32.138 that that's one of those ones, 2299 01:39:33.726 --> 01:39:36.832 yeah, listen, look at the way Corbin was playing it 2300 01:39:36.867 --> 01:39:38.973 and the way, you know Mr. Toothache 2301 01:39:39.007 --> 01:39:40.491 was my character's name 2302 01:39:40.526 --> 01:39:43.701 and that insert shot of the pus was just 2303 01:39:43.736 --> 01:39:47.912 so ridiculously grotesquely bad, it's good. 2304 01:39:47.947 --> 01:39:52.952 It just summarizes that movie, that era, that time. 2305 01:39:53.677 --> 01:39:55.161 - 90s horror is great 2306 01:39:55.196 --> 01:39:57.129 and a lot of that came from the direct to video movies. 2307 01:39:57.163 --> 01:39:58.440 I mean, Dr. Giggles. 2308 01:39:58.475 --> 01:40:02.272 - Return of the Living Dead III, Mindy Clarke. 2309 01:40:03.480 --> 01:40:04.308 - Let's proceed. 2310 01:40:05.654 --> 01:40:07.035 - Don't worry, they can't see us. 2311 01:40:07.070 --> 01:40:10.521 - [Narrator] Beyond the laws of nature. 2312 01:40:10.556 --> 01:40:11.453 - We've got something. 2313 01:40:11.488 --> 01:40:13.559 - They came back to life. 2314 01:40:13.593 --> 01:40:15.733 - [Narrator] Beyond the limits of love. 2315 01:40:15.768 --> 01:40:18.874 [screaming] 2316 01:40:18.909 --> 01:40:20.083 - Julie. 2317 01:40:20.117 --> 01:40:22.464 - [Narrator] Beyond the silence of death. 2318 01:40:24.225 --> 01:40:25.916 She has returned 2319 01:40:25.950 --> 01:40:28.953 to take you on a joy ride through hell. 2320 01:40:28.988 --> 01:40:31.404 [rock music] 2321 01:40:34.097 --> 01:40:36.099 - She's dead, isn't she? 2322 01:40:36.133 --> 01:40:37.065 [screaming] 2323 01:40:37.100 --> 01:40:39.516 [rock music] 2324 01:40:42.726 --> 01:40:46.005 - If she attacks him, he becomes like her. 2325 01:40:46.040 --> 01:40:47.282 [screaming] 2326 01:40:47.317 --> 01:40:48.145 - No! 2327 01:40:50.492 --> 01:40:54.151 - She was the most bad ass cool, 2328 01:40:54.186 --> 01:40:57.396 like she kind of reminded me of a bit 2329 01:40:57.430 --> 01:40:59.294 of a Angela in Night of the Demons, 2330 01:40:59.329 --> 01:41:01.917 Amelia Kinkade, kind of just cool and sexy 2331 01:41:01.952 --> 01:41:03.367 and badass and then its like, 2332 01:41:03.402 --> 01:41:05.507 when she had to start shoving glass into her face 2333 01:41:05.542 --> 01:41:06.819 and needles into her fingers, 2334 01:41:06.853 --> 01:41:08.234 you're like holy shit! 2335 01:41:08.269 --> 01:41:10.857 This chick is crazy and she's cool 2336 01:41:10.892 --> 01:41:12.307 and she's still sexy. 2337 01:41:12.342 --> 01:41:15.138 I think kind of with like the death of DVD 2338 01:41:15.172 --> 01:41:16.691 and like video store movies 2339 01:41:16.725 --> 01:41:19.659 may have been like the death of the scream queen. 2340 01:41:20.867 --> 01:41:24.112 Just because like the genres much bigger now 2341 01:41:24.147 --> 01:41:26.735 but you don't have that thing. 2342 01:41:26.770 --> 01:41:27.978 Like you're not going to Netflix 2343 01:41:28.012 --> 01:41:31.119 just to search for a Tiffany movie anymore, 2344 01:41:31.154 --> 01:41:32.534 or so and so. 2345 01:41:32.569 --> 01:41:34.847 Like where you used to go to Blockbuster and you'd like go, oh 2346 01:41:34.881 --> 01:41:36.297 oh my god, look at this, she's in this one 2347 01:41:36.331 --> 01:41:37.781 and she's in this one and she's in this one 2348 01:41:37.815 --> 01:41:39.196 and like those were the things 2349 01:41:39.231 --> 01:41:41.716 that you had much smaller pool to chose from. 2350 01:41:41.750 --> 01:41:44.443 So obviously people like me you get elevated more. 2351 01:41:44.477 --> 01:41:47.031 Now there's like billions of movies on Netflix 2352 01:41:47.066 --> 01:41:48.481 and billions of movies on Hulu 2353 01:41:48.516 --> 01:41:50.276 and it's like you don't haveenough time to watch everything 2354 01:41:50.311 --> 01:41:55.316 so I don't know if the term really still exists as much. 2355 01:41:56.524 --> 01:41:58.457 - All those years when I was making the films 2356 01:41:58.491 --> 01:41:59.527 in the 80s and 90s. 2357 01:41:59.561 --> 01:42:04.083 I had no idea the, the breadth, 2358 01:42:05.188 --> 01:42:06.396 I don't know the word, 2359 01:42:06.430 --> 01:42:10.331 of where these films were going of the people 2360 01:42:10.365 --> 01:42:11.608 seeing the films. 2361 01:42:11.642 --> 01:42:14.921 I had no idea that these films were being seen 2362 01:42:14.956 --> 01:42:17.821 across the country and there was all these people 2363 01:42:17.855 --> 01:42:19.892 who love these films. 2364 01:42:19.926 --> 01:42:22.032 - I have to tell my fans, thank you 2365 01:42:22.066 --> 01:42:24.172 thank you for everything for all these years 2366 01:42:24.207 --> 01:42:26.381 of honoring me as a scream queen 2367 01:42:26.416 --> 01:42:28.901 and watching me as a horror actress, 2368 01:42:28.935 --> 01:42:30.868 I couldn't have done it without you. 2369 01:42:30.903 --> 01:42:34.355 - I love talking to you guys on social media 2370 01:42:34.389 --> 01:42:35.597 and I look forward to seeing you 2371 01:42:35.632 --> 01:42:37.530 at the conventions and stuff like that 2372 01:42:38.635 --> 01:42:40.671 and I wouldn't do anything, 2373 01:42:40.706 --> 01:42:42.604 couldn't be able to do anything 2374 01:42:42.639 --> 01:42:44.054 that I love to do without you. 2375 01:42:44.088 --> 01:42:46.574 So thank you very much, I love you. 2376 01:42:46.608 --> 01:42:48.023 - That was my childhood 2377 01:42:48.058 --> 01:42:50.543 and that was some of the best years of my life, 2378 01:42:50.578 --> 01:42:52.890 discovering all those movies. 2379 01:42:52.925 --> 01:42:55.928 [eerie tense music] 2380 01:44:21.945 --> 01:44:25.051 [eerie tense music]