1 00:00:00,336 --> 00:00:03,586 (camera reel whirring) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08,089 --> 00:00:11,422 (slow orchestral music) 5 00:00:19,706 --> 00:00:24,706 (choir singing) (explosion booming) 6 00:00:39,898 --> 00:00:41,438 ♪ The life of an outlaw ♪ 7 00:00:41,438 --> 00:00:43,605 ♪ The life we live ain't for everybody ♪ 8 00:00:43,605 --> 00:00:46,554 ♪ In the inner city swimming with the dead bodies ♪ 9 00:00:46,554 --> 00:00:49,446 ♪ A few life jackets can't save everybody ♪ 10 00:00:49,446 --> 00:00:52,291 ♪ Runnin' with young thugs that'll spray everybody ♪ 11 00:00:52,291 --> 00:00:55,116 ♪ I need some guidance, the hood is my background ♪ 12 00:00:55,116 --> 00:00:57,909 ♪ I'm from the city where they can't put the crack down ♪ 13 00:00:57,909 --> 00:01:00,732 ♪ I'm feeling pity 'cause the city put the smack down ♪ 14 00:01:00,732 --> 00:01:03,662 ♪ I need some guidance, the walls closing in on me ♪ 15 00:01:03,662 --> 00:01:06,549 ♪ I'm trying to find it, it seems like it's runnin' from me ♪ 16 00:01:06,549 --> 00:01:09,386 ♪ Until I came across a book with no crookedness ♪ 17 00:01:09,386 --> 00:01:12,219 ♪ It had a message addressing the wickedness ♪ 18 00:01:12,219 --> 00:01:15,296 ♪ Life of an outlaw ♪ 19 00:01:15,296 --> 00:01:19,608 ♪ Outlaw, outlaw, outlaw ♪ 20 00:01:19,608 --> 00:01:21,967 ♪ The life we live ain't for everybody ♪ 21 00:01:21,967 --> 00:01:26,967 (explosion booming) (female laughing) 22 00:01:28,203 --> 00:01:29,976 I was three years old when my mother and father 23 00:01:29,976 --> 00:01:32,304 got murdered. (camera reel whirring) 24 00:01:32,304 --> 00:01:34,887 My father was African American. 25 00:01:37,373 --> 00:01:39,777 My mother was Puerto Rican and Cuban. 26 00:01:39,777 --> 00:01:41,301 He bought homes for his mother. 27 00:01:41,301 --> 00:01:43,044 Successful businessman. 28 00:01:43,044 --> 00:01:46,425 (gunshots firing) (baby crying) 29 00:01:46,425 --> 00:01:49,092 (heart beating) 30 00:01:54,934 --> 00:01:56,773 - When my parents got killed, 31 00:01:56,773 --> 00:01:58,328 it's some incidents that happened 32 00:01:58,328 --> 00:02:00,690 during the murdering of my parents that I remember. 33 00:02:00,690 --> 00:02:02,932 My oldest brother, he remember more than all of us. 34 00:02:02,932 --> 00:02:05,430 - 'Cause I still remember that day as a clear memory 35 00:02:05,430 --> 00:02:07,429 in my head, I'll never forget that day. 36 00:02:07,429 --> 00:02:11,650 I was four years old, Mutah my brother, he was three, 37 00:02:11,650 --> 00:02:16,317 and my youngest brother Kamil, he was four months, yeah. 38 00:02:17,952 --> 00:02:19,729 At first, I seen my father get murdered 39 00:02:19,729 --> 00:02:22,369 while talking on the telephone laying on the ground. 40 00:02:22,369 --> 00:02:24,837 He was on the phone, he wasn't paying his friends, 41 00:02:24,837 --> 00:02:26,664 or the guys that was so-called his friends, 42 00:02:26,664 --> 00:02:28,284 he wasn't paying them no mind. 43 00:02:28,284 --> 00:02:30,685 He let 'em in, said, "How you doing?" 44 00:02:30,685 --> 00:02:33,417 Once he let 'em in, he just got back on the phone, 45 00:02:33,417 --> 00:02:36,225 laid on the floor, and when I seen the guy, 46 00:02:36,225 --> 00:02:38,896 I ran up to one of the guys and jumped in his arms 47 00:02:38,896 --> 00:02:40,462 because I remember when I was small, 48 00:02:40,462 --> 00:02:43,275 he was the guy who used to pick me up when he seen me. 49 00:02:43,275 --> 00:02:45,896 And my brother, I believe my brother ran to the other guy 50 00:02:45,896 --> 00:02:50,393 and put his arms out like that for the guy to pick him up. 51 00:02:50,393 --> 00:02:53,970 - I remember one of the guys who entered to the house, 52 00:02:53,970 --> 00:02:55,951 he was actually my so-called godfather. 53 00:02:55,951 --> 00:02:57,560 I remember sitting on his lap, 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,655 and I remember that he pushed me off his lap, 55 00:02:59,655 --> 00:03:02,531 and I remember that this was a violent push. 56 00:03:02,531 --> 00:03:03,935 Growing up, every time I think back 57 00:03:03,935 --> 00:03:05,337 about how he pushed me off, 58 00:03:05,337 --> 00:03:08,726 as a kid it felt like it was violent. 59 00:03:08,726 --> 00:03:11,913 When he pushed me off, I just heard gunshots, 60 00:03:11,913 --> 00:03:14,764 (gunshots firing) and I'm okay back then, 61 00:03:14,764 --> 00:03:16,173 so I'm just standing around, at first I didn't know 62 00:03:16,173 --> 00:03:18,542 where it was coming from until I seen the guns. 63 00:03:18,542 --> 00:03:20,161 I seen my father, his chest was bleeding, 64 00:03:20,161 --> 00:03:21,798 and he was just laying on the ground, 65 00:03:21,798 --> 00:03:23,659 and I heard my mom scream. 66 00:03:23,659 --> 00:03:26,311 Once my mother started screaming, she, 67 00:03:26,311 --> 00:03:28,519 she grabbed my brother, he was the first thing she saw, 68 00:03:28,519 --> 00:03:30,424 so she grabbed him and was running to, 69 00:03:30,424 --> 00:03:32,379 we had a big house then, grabbed him 70 00:03:32,379 --> 00:03:34,741 and was running to the back room, 71 00:03:34,741 --> 00:03:37,969 and I remember one of the guys, when she slammed the door, 72 00:03:37,969 --> 00:03:40,214 kicked the door in to the back room, 73 00:03:40,214 --> 00:03:43,756 and my mother was, she couldn't go nowhere. 74 00:03:43,756 --> 00:03:47,084 Her back was against the wall, and so he killed my mother 75 00:03:47,084 --> 00:03:49,594 while she has her back against the wall. 76 00:03:49,594 --> 00:03:51,372 - After they murdered my parents, 77 00:03:51,372 --> 00:03:52,847 me and my brothers, we was in the house 78 00:03:52,847 --> 00:03:56,789 with the dead bodies for 24 hours, and I remember, as a kid, 79 00:03:56,789 --> 00:04:01,541 that I was biting my mother trying to wake her up. 80 00:04:01,541 --> 00:04:03,028 - Laying there trying to wake our parents up, 81 00:04:03,028 --> 00:04:06,709 and they wouldn't wake up, and we just fell asleep, 82 00:04:06,709 --> 00:04:08,629 and the next morning, the guy my father 83 00:04:08,629 --> 00:04:10,789 was on the phone with, he kept calling the house, 84 00:04:10,789 --> 00:04:13,435 it kept being busy, so he just came over there 85 00:04:13,435 --> 00:04:16,185 and that's when he discovered us. 86 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,059 - I headed back, I was headed to Snoop's house. 87 00:04:20,059 --> 00:04:22,734 Yes, both went out and took care of some business, 88 00:04:22,734 --> 00:04:26,580 and as I was at the door, his cousin was driving up. 89 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:28,823 His cousin was Hakim. 90 00:04:28,823 --> 00:04:30,442 As we opened the door, 91 00:04:30,442 --> 00:04:34,113 Snoop was looking at me up on the floor. 92 00:04:34,113 --> 00:04:37,946 Seemed like he had a bullet hole in his chest. 93 00:04:39,010 --> 00:04:42,010 - Pops, hey, I said pops was 8 a.m., 94 00:04:43,146 --> 00:04:45,760 that morning I received a call from my niece 95 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,010 saying my brother got shot. 96 00:04:48,994 --> 00:04:51,617 Soon as he pushed this door, 97 00:04:51,617 --> 00:04:55,073 my brother was laying right there. 98 00:04:55,073 --> 00:04:59,406 Upon going to his bedroom, I saw my brother's friend 99 00:05:00,652 --> 00:05:03,634 at the dining room table, slumped over. 100 00:05:03,634 --> 00:05:07,262 Then, I find his wife curled up here on the floor. 101 00:05:07,262 --> 00:05:10,792 Now that I checked the other bedroom on the first floor, 102 00:05:10,792 --> 00:05:12,265 his three children were there, 103 00:05:12,265 --> 00:05:16,090 and one was laying on the bed crying, Johnny's son. 104 00:05:16,090 --> 00:05:20,361 As I picked him up, his other two sons woke up. 105 00:05:20,361 --> 00:05:23,194 (mumbling) Mutah. 106 00:05:25,725 --> 00:05:29,842 - And, the community was in uproar because we was on edges. 107 00:05:29,842 --> 00:05:33,332 We was, basically, we was in hiding 108 00:05:33,332 --> 00:05:37,257 because we didn't know where were they, 109 00:05:37,257 --> 00:05:40,288 or were they coming back, or were they coming for us? 110 00:05:40,288 --> 00:05:43,455 We had no idea what the situation was. 111 00:05:45,851 --> 00:05:50,851 - The children, at an early age, a lot of Snoop's friends 112 00:05:50,887 --> 00:05:54,491 coming to the house, they knew everybody came there, 113 00:05:54,491 --> 00:05:58,908 and so they were able to identify one of the shooters 114 00:06:00,013 --> 00:06:03,013 that killed their mother and father. 115 00:06:03,874 --> 00:06:08,624 - In all the time, it was my brother's so-called friends. 116 00:06:10,475 --> 00:06:15,266 - They were very close, I mean, they worked together. 117 00:06:15,266 --> 00:06:19,183 They went out together, went on trips together. 118 00:06:20,675 --> 00:06:24,003 - Hey, matter fact, they came up all through the boys club, 119 00:06:24,003 --> 00:06:27,996 west side, I mean, as far as 14, 15 years old. 120 00:06:27,996 --> 00:06:30,079 They came up together. 121 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:32,058 These guys used to just literally, actually eat 122 00:06:32,058 --> 00:06:36,558 at my mother's table, and my mother actually fed them. 123 00:06:37,541 --> 00:06:40,488 They have slept in my mother's home, 124 00:06:40,488 --> 00:06:41,821 and to see that, 125 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:50,615 it was uncalled for, first of all. 126 00:06:51,836 --> 00:06:54,503 What it was behind, unknown, so. 127 00:06:57,967 --> 00:06:59,817 - Basically, my father, he was into, 128 00:06:59,817 --> 00:07:02,935 he was a diamond dealer, he used to sell diamonds, 129 00:07:02,935 --> 00:07:05,638 and at his age at this time, my father was around 130 00:07:05,638 --> 00:07:07,960 28 years old, he had a lot of money, 131 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,779 he owned a lot of properties within New Jersey, 132 00:07:10,779 --> 00:07:12,601 he was able to purchase houses for my grandmother, 133 00:07:12,601 --> 00:07:15,208 my grandfather, he was driving out pink Cadillacs, 134 00:07:15,208 --> 00:07:17,220 renting Sevilles when they first came out, 135 00:07:17,220 --> 00:07:19,690 so he had a lot of attention and a flashy lifestyle, 136 00:07:19,690 --> 00:07:22,483 which this lifestyle sometimes brings envy, 137 00:07:22,483 --> 00:07:24,858 animosity, et cetera, so one of the guys 138 00:07:24,858 --> 00:07:26,370 who was very close to my father 139 00:07:26,370 --> 00:07:28,910 who was actually one of the guys who, like we said, 140 00:07:28,910 --> 00:07:30,919 back in the day, was my godfather. 141 00:07:30,919 --> 00:07:34,656 He had been to, one day, he owed my father some money, 142 00:07:34,656 --> 00:07:37,993 and he decided to, basically, instead of paying my father 143 00:07:37,993 --> 00:07:40,920 the money, he decided to pay some people a less amount 144 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,629 of money to put a hit out on my mother and father. 145 00:07:43,629 --> 00:07:47,379 - So what happened, you had a driver outside, 146 00:07:48,449 --> 00:07:52,442 and two shooters inside, and the other two 147 00:07:52,442 --> 00:07:56,237 was sitting back in the cut waiting for the phone call 148 00:07:56,237 --> 00:08:00,268 when the hit was done, so it was, in all actuality, 149 00:08:00,268 --> 00:08:03,772 it was five, but it was three that came to this house. 150 00:08:03,772 --> 00:08:06,902 - Everyone in the city, in the surrounding area 151 00:08:06,902 --> 00:08:10,636 was aware of the aftermath of the murder. 152 00:08:10,636 --> 00:08:13,717 Was there going to be a second killing? 153 00:08:13,717 --> 00:08:16,578 Was there going to be a return of these killers 154 00:08:16,578 --> 00:08:20,078 to come back to try and kill the children? 155 00:08:23,536 --> 00:08:26,199 - It was tense, the people was threatening, 156 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,162 if they catch my brother they're gonna kill him. 157 00:08:28,162 --> 00:08:30,260 They was trying to intimidate our family. 158 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:33,094 I remember one incident, I was on the porch. 159 00:08:33,094 --> 00:08:36,539 Me, my aunt, and a few other, my brothers and my cousins, 160 00:08:36,539 --> 00:08:38,483 we was on the porch and some of the people 161 00:08:38,483 --> 00:08:40,288 that was affiliated with the people that killed 162 00:08:40,288 --> 00:08:42,072 my mother and father, they rolled up on the block 163 00:08:42,072 --> 00:08:44,252 at my grandmother's house, and when they got in front 164 00:08:44,252 --> 00:08:45,556 of our house, they tried to slow down, 165 00:08:45,556 --> 00:08:47,317 they tried to stare at us, intimidate us, 166 00:08:47,317 --> 00:08:49,247 and I remember my aunt, she grabbed us 167 00:08:49,247 --> 00:08:50,973 and made us run in the house, she was afraid, 168 00:08:50,973 --> 00:08:53,475 so she said, "Come on, run in the house." 169 00:08:53,475 --> 00:08:56,364 And, my brother Moonie, he was, we never had a discussion 170 00:08:56,364 --> 00:08:57,916 about the death of my mother and father. 171 00:08:57,916 --> 00:09:00,590 We never spoke about it with each other. 172 00:09:00,590 --> 00:09:01,843 It's more hard for him because 173 00:09:01,843 --> 00:09:04,154 he remembered the most out of all of us. 174 00:09:04,154 --> 00:09:07,693 He even had to go to the courthouse and point everybody out. 175 00:09:07,693 --> 00:09:11,026 - One question, did you see anybody here 176 00:09:12,426 --> 00:09:14,426 who killed your parents? 177 00:09:15,546 --> 00:09:17,572 And he pointed, he said, "That's who killed 178 00:09:17,572 --> 00:09:21,201 "my mommy and daddy," and they took him off the stand. 179 00:09:21,201 --> 00:09:23,364 That's that one question, they pointed, 180 00:09:23,364 --> 00:09:27,114 said, "That's who killed my mommy and daddy." 181 00:09:28,168 --> 00:09:32,220 - The people that got convicted, they're in prison. 182 00:09:32,220 --> 00:09:34,570 The main ones that have life in prison, 183 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:36,769 I heard a few of them came home, but the one 184 00:09:36,769 --> 00:09:41,144 who was the main shooter and got the most charges 185 00:09:41,144 --> 00:09:43,103 put against him, he got life in prison. 186 00:09:43,103 --> 00:09:48,103 (prison bars slamming) (angelic music) 187 00:09:52,021 --> 00:09:54,018 So, from after the death of my mother and father, 188 00:09:54,018 --> 00:09:57,290 me and my brothers, we went to move with my grandparents, 189 00:09:57,290 --> 00:09:59,436 the parents of my father, and this was 190 00:09:59,436 --> 00:10:01,456 a very packed household 'cause my grandmother was 191 00:10:01,456 --> 00:10:03,918 one of them ladies that she don't say no to no one, 192 00:10:03,918 --> 00:10:05,645 so we had other relatives in the house, 193 00:10:05,645 --> 00:10:10,420 aunties, uncles, cousins, it was a very packed house, 194 00:10:10,420 --> 00:10:12,265 and she was a strong woman who basically, 195 00:10:12,265 --> 00:10:14,965 she was the foundation of our household at this time. 196 00:10:14,965 --> 00:10:17,046 My grandfather, he worked at nights, 197 00:10:17,046 --> 00:10:19,632 so he slept during the day, so the one who was 198 00:10:19,632 --> 00:10:21,653 in control of the house was actually my grandmother. 199 00:10:21,653 --> 00:10:23,503 She was the one that was taking care of us, 200 00:10:23,503 --> 00:10:25,009 she's the one that was putting the rules down, 201 00:10:25,009 --> 00:10:28,343 she was basically the head of the household at this time. 202 00:10:28,343 --> 00:10:31,901 She basically was the glue that kept my family together. 203 00:10:31,901 --> 00:10:36,365 Growing up, since I can remember, Mu, he was a normal child. 204 00:10:36,365 --> 00:10:40,055 He did okay in school when he felt like it. 205 00:10:40,055 --> 00:10:41,453 We didn't take school serious. 206 00:10:41,453 --> 00:10:43,713 Soon as school was over, we hung on the block. 207 00:10:43,713 --> 00:10:46,353 We went to Chess Ave, which was our neighborhood 208 00:10:46,353 --> 00:10:48,748 which was our block, and we just hung on the block. 209 00:10:48,748 --> 00:10:51,449 My brothers and my cousins, they were selling drugs, 210 00:10:51,449 --> 00:10:54,124 and me and my younger cousins and younger brother, 211 00:10:54,124 --> 00:10:55,968 we would just be out there with the drug dealers. 212 00:10:55,968 --> 00:10:57,713 That's how we spent our days. 213 00:10:57,713 --> 00:11:00,982 I thought this was normal because, since a very young age, 214 00:11:00,982 --> 00:11:03,165 that's all I seen, so I thought that 215 00:11:03,165 --> 00:11:05,742 this was the normal life, man, that you grow, you come up, 216 00:11:05,742 --> 00:11:07,608 this is a quick way to make some money, 217 00:11:07,608 --> 00:11:09,514 and it was only two sides. 218 00:11:09,514 --> 00:11:10,883 To me, the only two sides of life was 219 00:11:10,883 --> 00:11:13,385 either you're a crackhead or you're a drug dealer, 220 00:11:13,385 --> 00:11:15,059 and it was one of them things growing up, 221 00:11:15,059 --> 00:11:16,924 I used to have to say which side that I'ma be on. 222 00:11:16,924 --> 00:11:20,607 It's almost, you gotta pick what side you wanna be on, 223 00:11:20,607 --> 00:11:23,873 so we grew up, when you see the condition of the crackheads, 224 00:11:23,873 --> 00:11:25,814 you grew up in fear of crackheads. 225 00:11:25,814 --> 00:11:27,392 You don't wanna (chuckling) be like a crackhead. 226 00:11:27,392 --> 00:11:29,291 Then you see the condition of people selling drugs 227 00:11:29,291 --> 00:11:32,624 and that life, this is what you want for yourself. 228 00:11:32,624 --> 00:11:34,452 A few times, I tried to get myself, 229 00:11:34,452 --> 00:11:37,243 I got involved with selling drugs 'cause I recall 230 00:11:37,243 --> 00:11:40,255 one of the first times I ever sold drugs, I got arrested. 231 00:11:40,255 --> 00:11:43,670 I remember, at a young age, I went to an older cat 232 00:11:43,670 --> 00:11:45,209 from my neighborhood, and I convinced him 233 00:11:45,209 --> 00:11:47,770 to let me get some drugs, and I convinced him 234 00:11:47,770 --> 00:11:49,379 that I'll be able to sell drugs for him. 235 00:11:49,379 --> 00:11:51,977 He gave me some drugs, I went outside on the block, 236 00:11:51,977 --> 00:11:54,353 first day that I tried to hustle and sell the drugs, 237 00:11:54,353 --> 00:11:55,998 the police rode up on me. 238 00:11:55,998 --> 00:11:58,928 I remember I ran in the store and I threw the drugs 239 00:11:58,928 --> 00:12:01,793 into the refrigerator, came out, I was arrogant 240 00:12:01,793 --> 00:12:04,476 because I thought I'd just outsmart the police. 241 00:12:04,476 --> 00:12:06,218 Pushed me against the wall, they checked me, 242 00:12:06,218 --> 00:12:07,961 next thing I knew, they pulled a crack vial 243 00:12:07,961 --> 00:12:09,804 out of my pocket, called my grandmother, 244 00:12:09,804 --> 00:12:12,143 I got into some trouble, but from that day then, 245 00:12:12,143 --> 00:12:14,057 I said I need to try to find another way 246 00:12:14,057 --> 00:12:15,717 to make it up out of the hood. 247 00:12:15,717 --> 00:12:18,244 I started to write poetry and write raps, 248 00:12:18,244 --> 00:12:21,009 and what inspired me is that I felt like I needed 249 00:12:21,009 --> 00:12:24,062 to express myself, I needed to figure a way to get 250 00:12:24,062 --> 00:12:27,256 what was inside of my chest to release it up out of me, man, 251 00:12:27,256 --> 00:12:29,080 and that's when I turned to writing raps. 252 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,973 My neighborhood was one of them neighborhoods, 253 00:12:30,973 --> 00:12:32,631 for a youngster, it was a lot to take in, 254 00:12:32,631 --> 00:12:34,361 so the way I was able to express myself 255 00:12:34,361 --> 00:12:36,482 was to go into my room, what I would see outside 256 00:12:36,482 --> 00:12:38,664 on my block, I would make a song out of it. 257 00:12:38,664 --> 00:12:40,392 Then, I would go back outside and rap it 258 00:12:40,392 --> 00:12:42,314 for the drug dealers and they would pay me money, 259 00:12:42,314 --> 00:12:44,005 and that's when I said, "Well, this is gonna be my hustle 260 00:12:44,005 --> 00:12:47,344 "that I'ma stick with for the rest of my life." 261 00:12:47,344 --> 00:12:50,777 - So, I lived down the street from Mutah. 262 00:12:50,777 --> 00:12:53,477 So, Mu, high school, we used to see him walking. 263 00:12:53,477 --> 00:12:56,314 He always had a notebook in his hand, rapping. 264 00:12:56,314 --> 00:12:57,380 I'm like, "Mu, what you doing?" 265 00:12:57,380 --> 00:12:58,647 He was like, "Yo, I'm rappin', man. 266 00:12:58,647 --> 00:13:01,523 "I'm tryin' to make it happen, I'm rappin', you know." 267 00:13:01,523 --> 00:13:03,320 He would show me his books, be like, "Yo, spit a rhyme." 268 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,505 We'd give him a dollar, two, $5, he'd spit a rhyme for us, 269 00:13:06,505 --> 00:13:09,108 we'd come, then we got closer, I met his grandparents. 270 00:13:09,108 --> 00:13:11,956 His grandparents used to live here, too, all his family, 271 00:13:11,956 --> 00:13:14,562 so we start hangin', Mu was like, "You serious? 272 00:13:14,562 --> 00:13:16,128 "We're straight hustlers from the street, 273 00:13:16,128 --> 00:13:19,844 "we need a better day, we're trying to find a better way," 274 00:13:19,844 --> 00:13:22,452 so we found Mu, we ran into Mu. 275 00:13:22,452 --> 00:13:24,433 Mu was like, "Yeah, I really wanna do this man, 276 00:13:24,433 --> 00:13:26,400 "I'm tryin' to do this, I'm tryin' to make it happen." 277 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:27,457 So, we just, "All right." 278 00:13:27,457 --> 00:13:29,018 Me and my man Shalla B. - Too, and what tellin' 279 00:13:29,018 --> 00:13:31,016 what I was into, so that's when he said, 280 00:13:31,016 --> 00:13:34,048 "Yo, listen, I'm trying to rap. 281 00:13:34,048 --> 00:13:36,725 "Let's go to the studio together. 282 00:13:36,725 --> 00:13:39,670 "We can do some rapping together, whatever, man, 283 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:41,953 "you can be the manager or something like that," 284 00:13:41,953 --> 00:13:44,815 and I'm trying to stop being in the streets, 285 00:13:44,815 --> 00:13:48,108 so I said let me take my money and put it towards something 286 00:13:48,108 --> 00:13:50,306 that can get me from one level to another, so. 287 00:13:50,306 --> 00:13:53,847 - Corey, which is C and Sharla B, they got real involved, 288 00:13:53,847 --> 00:13:56,257 they got heavy, real involved with my career 289 00:13:56,257 --> 00:13:59,031 starting off as a musician to the point that 290 00:13:59,031 --> 00:14:01,041 they was sending me in the recording studio, 291 00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:03,514 where they was paying for my studio time, 292 00:14:03,514 --> 00:14:06,040 they was buying me clothes, they was taking care of me, 293 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,714 you know what I mean, and they was the first ones to help me 294 00:14:10,714 --> 00:14:13,378 pursue my career in the music industry. 295 00:14:13,378 --> 00:14:15,408 - And we start putting Mu in the studio 296 00:14:15,408 --> 00:14:16,892 so Mu coming up with rhymes. 297 00:14:16,892 --> 00:14:19,604 Every rhyme he wrote, it's like, it's about murder. 298 00:14:19,604 --> 00:14:21,607 Murder, murder this, I remember the hook, 299 00:14:21,607 --> 00:14:23,951 "The money got me feelin' like a star. 300 00:14:23,951 --> 00:14:26,420 "Murder got me feelin' like my death ain't far. 301 00:14:26,420 --> 00:14:28,663 "When they come, they gon' murder." 302 00:14:28,663 --> 00:14:30,661 - This is, man, I was 13, 14 years old, 303 00:14:30,661 --> 00:14:32,763 so I was doing raps, man, that the people on the street 304 00:14:32,763 --> 00:14:35,339 was relating to, man, it was talking about drug dealing. 305 00:14:35,339 --> 00:14:38,167 At this time, New Jersey, especially north, 306 00:14:38,167 --> 00:14:39,380 they was known for stolen cars. 307 00:14:39,380 --> 00:14:41,245 It was stolen car capital of the world, 308 00:14:41,245 --> 00:14:43,223 so I was doing songs about people stealing cars 309 00:14:43,223 --> 00:14:45,227 and stuff like that-- - Then his uncles 310 00:14:45,227 --> 00:14:47,384 gave us the story, then his grandparents gave us the story, 311 00:14:47,384 --> 00:14:49,800 we got cool with Miss Bill, and we was like, "Wow," 312 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,869 so we embraced him like a big brother. 313 00:14:51,869 --> 00:14:55,703 His family, he had family, but you could tell in his eyes, 314 00:14:55,703 --> 00:14:58,363 his brother's eyes, like damn, they missing their parents, 315 00:14:58,363 --> 00:15:00,261 like lonely, his grandparents was here for him, 316 00:15:00,261 --> 00:15:03,138 but it was like, he was still lonely, you know what I mean? 317 00:15:03,138 --> 00:15:06,349 So he was like, his dream was to become a rapper. 318 00:15:06,349 --> 00:15:09,563 - He was trying to do every avenue to try and get somewhere. 319 00:15:09,563 --> 00:15:10,818 He really was with Corey. 320 00:15:10,818 --> 00:15:13,638 Corey was really being with him, running around 321 00:15:13,638 --> 00:15:16,579 with Queen Latifah, with Naughty by Nature, 322 00:15:16,579 --> 00:15:17,966 now they used to go to East Thorns 323 00:15:17,966 --> 00:15:19,702 and be over there with them. 324 00:15:19,702 --> 00:15:23,111 - Queen Latifah, she was a friend of my family, 325 00:15:23,111 --> 00:15:25,563 and I remember the first time that I heard her on the radio 326 00:15:25,563 --> 00:15:28,516 and seen her on television, it made me inspired, 327 00:15:28,516 --> 00:15:30,971 it made me feel like even more that I can make it 328 00:15:30,971 --> 00:15:33,643 because she made it, because she was a woman that 329 00:15:33,643 --> 00:15:35,794 we used to see walking in the hood with us. 330 00:15:35,794 --> 00:15:37,630 She used to come visit my grandmother, 331 00:15:37,630 --> 00:15:40,045 come visit my aunts, so when I actually seen her 332 00:15:40,045 --> 00:15:43,501 on television and heard on the radio, I used to tell myself, 333 00:15:43,501 --> 00:15:46,255 man if she made it, she's from the hood, I can make it. 334 00:15:46,255 --> 00:15:47,845 - So, we'd be like, "We gon' make this happen. 335 00:15:47,845 --> 00:15:49,345 "We gon' do this," whoop whoop whoop, 336 00:15:49,345 --> 00:15:50,428 "we gon' make this happen." 337 00:15:50,428 --> 00:15:53,033 Studio here, we met this kid's named Jamil. 338 00:15:53,033 --> 00:15:55,219 We started working with him immediately, 339 00:15:55,219 --> 00:15:58,085 taking him to the studio, help teaching him how to do 340 00:15:58,085 --> 00:16:01,581 16 bar verses 'cause Mu just was rapping. 341 00:16:01,581 --> 00:16:04,031 He'd just go on and on and on for like, forever, 342 00:16:04,031 --> 00:16:07,376 he didn't know bars, so we worked with him with songs 343 00:16:07,376 --> 00:16:10,376 and things like that, and from then, 344 00:16:11,638 --> 00:16:15,271 once he started doing songs, every time he would go home 345 00:16:15,271 --> 00:16:17,340 and write, he'd just come back, call me up, 346 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:20,280 I'd take him under my wing, take him around either Corey 347 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,502 or drop him off at my house and Mu would spend 348 00:16:22,502 --> 00:16:26,043 a day with me and my counterparts. 349 00:16:26,043 --> 00:16:27,643 - My whole life was based around music 350 00:16:27,643 --> 00:16:30,609 and I started to do performances at high school, 351 00:16:30,609 --> 00:16:33,948 block parties, I used to be on the block rapping with about 352 00:16:33,948 --> 00:16:36,673 100 drug dealers around me, I'm in the circle rapping, 353 00:16:36,673 --> 00:16:38,208 I started to battle other rappers, 354 00:16:38,208 --> 00:16:40,645 I started to get a name for myself on the street, 355 00:16:40,645 --> 00:16:44,645 and one of the things that led up to me getting serious 356 00:16:44,645 --> 00:16:47,197 and getting professional in the music industry 357 00:16:47,197 --> 00:16:48,868 was my childhood friend of mines 358 00:16:48,868 --> 00:16:52,452 by the name of Yafeu Kadafi. (angelic music) 359 00:16:52,452 --> 00:16:55,934 - Here come Yak, not knowing Yak and Mu 360 00:16:55,934 --> 00:16:59,836 actually grew up together but fell apart as their parents 361 00:16:59,836 --> 00:17:02,460 moved from different areas. - His mother was good friends 362 00:17:02,460 --> 00:17:04,957 with our cousin, an older cousin of mines, 363 00:17:04,957 --> 00:17:07,385 like an auntie or the cousin of mines on my family, 364 00:17:07,385 --> 00:17:12,291 so when she came by over to my relatives house at one time, 365 00:17:12,291 --> 00:17:15,246 she noticed that she had a son and me and Kadafi birthday 366 00:17:15,246 --> 00:17:17,745 was about two days apart, so we was the same age, 367 00:17:17,745 --> 00:17:19,782 so she would pick me up, sometimes take me 368 00:17:19,782 --> 00:17:22,129 to this neighborhood, and I would hang out with him, 369 00:17:22,129 --> 00:17:25,313 but when years would pass, I lost contact with Yafeu 370 00:17:25,313 --> 00:17:26,817 and I happened to run into his mother, 371 00:17:26,817 --> 00:17:28,823 and she told me he was actually trying to pursue 372 00:17:28,823 --> 00:17:30,258 a career in the music industry, 373 00:17:30,258 --> 00:17:32,784 and that his brother's Tupac Shakur. 374 00:17:32,784 --> 00:17:37,784 - Tupak Shakur, boom, (laughing) right there, what Pac? 375 00:17:38,504 --> 00:17:40,016 Yo, we see him in the news all the time, 376 00:17:40,016 --> 00:17:42,468 he runnin' around, he actin' crazy, sellng records, 377 00:17:42,468 --> 00:17:44,365 he doing it all. - Of course, at this time, 378 00:17:44,365 --> 00:17:46,795 Pac was known, especially in the hoods. 379 00:17:46,795 --> 00:17:49,588 He put a few records out, and she said, "Matter of fact, 380 00:17:49,588 --> 00:17:53,383 "Kadafi, Yafeu, and Tupac is on they way to New York City. 381 00:17:53,383 --> 00:17:55,796 "If you serious about getting into the music industry, 382 00:17:55,796 --> 00:17:58,703 "you should go up to him and talk to him yourself." 383 00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:01,370 - So me and Mu went to New York. 384 00:18:02,671 --> 00:18:04,777 Went to the hotel, Pac came down, 385 00:18:04,777 --> 00:18:06,220 after he took like an hour and a half, 386 00:18:06,220 --> 00:18:08,477 you know how the celebrities do, (laughing) 387 00:18:08,477 --> 00:18:11,347 but he still came down, we went in a room. 388 00:18:11,347 --> 00:18:14,181 - And, I walked in the hotel room, I remember saying, 389 00:18:14,181 --> 00:18:16,884 "Kadafi Yafeu, you look like a whole nother person." 390 00:18:16,884 --> 00:18:18,601 Tall breeze, you know what I mean? 391 00:18:18,601 --> 00:18:20,272 Had a little, some finesse with him. 392 00:18:20,272 --> 00:18:22,647 The last time I seen him, he was a short, chubby kid, 393 00:18:22,647 --> 00:18:24,771 but big for his height, whatever. 394 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:27,775 I remember Pac walked in the room and he was 395 00:18:27,775 --> 00:18:29,321 in the back of my mind I used to say 396 00:18:29,321 --> 00:18:31,021 I have to impress this dude, I have to let him know 397 00:18:31,021 --> 00:18:33,479 that I'm from the hood, I'm from the streets or whatever. 398 00:18:33,479 --> 00:18:37,229 - So, we gave Pac the demo, so Pac listening, 399 00:18:38,132 --> 00:18:40,028 he was like, "Yeah, alright, this cool, 400 00:18:40,028 --> 00:18:42,119 "wow, that's what's up, man." 401 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,734 - But, when I started to talk to him, man, 402 00:18:43,734 --> 00:18:45,709 he let me know from the jump that he not into 403 00:18:45,709 --> 00:18:49,503 that type of conversation, and he started to question me 404 00:18:49,503 --> 00:18:51,476 about the death of my mother and father. 405 00:18:51,476 --> 00:18:53,809 - So, Mu gave Pac the story. 406 00:18:54,983 --> 00:18:57,927 He sat down on the bed in the hotel, literally sat down, 407 00:18:57,927 --> 00:19:00,349 listening, so he was like, "Yeah well you know, 408 00:19:00,349 --> 00:19:03,287 "15, 16 years old, I'm trying to do this Pac, 409 00:19:03,287 --> 00:19:06,954 "and our parents got killed," so Pac looked. 410 00:19:07,852 --> 00:19:10,228 He gave this awkward look, like ooh, 411 00:19:10,228 --> 00:19:12,175 so like, "Go ahead with the story." 412 00:19:12,175 --> 00:19:14,801 So, Pac kept looking, listening to the story. 413 00:19:14,801 --> 00:19:17,856 After he finished the story, on everything I love, 414 00:19:17,856 --> 00:19:22,856 one tear came down Pac's eye, one tear came down Pac eye, 415 00:19:22,987 --> 00:19:25,374 he just looked, put his head down like this, 416 00:19:25,374 --> 00:19:28,833 he looked up, he was like, "I got you Mu." 417 00:19:28,833 --> 00:19:31,450 - So, for me, I was surprised to see that someone reacted 418 00:19:31,450 --> 00:19:33,409 over the story of the death of my mother and father 419 00:19:33,409 --> 00:19:35,972 the way he did to the point that I was trying to tell him, 420 00:19:35,972 --> 00:19:37,876 like, no need to cry, you know what I mean? 421 00:19:37,876 --> 00:19:40,227 And, he was a real dude, he said, "Man, I'ma try my best 422 00:19:40,227 --> 00:19:43,575 "to help you," and ever since that, from that day 423 00:19:43,575 --> 00:19:45,613 and from that meeting, every time that they came back 424 00:19:45,613 --> 00:19:46,923 to New York City, they would call me 425 00:19:46,923 --> 00:19:50,477 and I would go over there and meet with 'em. 426 00:19:50,477 --> 00:19:53,306 For awhile, at the beginning, when Pac kept coming around, 427 00:19:53,306 --> 00:19:55,342 I actually wasn't able to really 428 00:19:55,342 --> 00:19:56,938 speak too much about rap with him. 429 00:19:56,938 --> 00:19:59,366 He knew that I was a rapper, I gave him my CD, 430 00:19:59,366 --> 00:20:01,633 or whatever like that, but at the same time, 431 00:20:01,633 --> 00:20:03,145 I kept saying, "When we gonna have the conversation 432 00:20:03,145 --> 00:20:05,333 "about me trying to get in the music industry?" 433 00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:07,076 But, I guess he was trying to feel me out. 434 00:20:07,076 --> 00:20:09,315 At the beginning, it was more me coming around 435 00:20:09,315 --> 00:20:11,518 and just hanging around with him, you know what I mean? 436 00:20:11,518 --> 00:20:14,189 He wasn't really bringing up the topic, and eventually, 437 00:20:14,189 --> 00:20:18,143 he invited me to the studio. - Pac called Mu, 438 00:20:18,143 --> 00:20:20,544 "Yo listen, I'm doing Me Against the World, 439 00:20:20,544 --> 00:20:21,747 "wanna come over?" 440 00:20:21,747 --> 00:20:24,584 So, we all came over. - He was working on a song, 441 00:20:24,584 --> 00:20:25,759 and that's one of the first times 442 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:27,664 that I got on a record with him. 443 00:20:27,664 --> 00:20:31,992 - So I had left, dropped Mu off, Mu called me all excited, 444 00:20:31,992 --> 00:20:33,506 "Yo, I'm on the album, man! 445 00:20:33,506 --> 00:20:35,303 "Word up, he put me on the album!" 446 00:20:35,303 --> 00:20:37,748 He was like, "Come back over, pick me up, we on the album!" 447 00:20:37,748 --> 00:20:40,594 So, we back in the studio, we listening, uh-uh-uh-uh. 448 00:20:40,594 --> 00:20:43,349 He was like, "Yo," we looked, bumping our head like, 449 00:20:43,349 --> 00:20:45,268 "Yo, I'm at the end, that's it, 450 00:20:45,268 --> 00:20:47,655 "That's it right there, we in!" 451 00:20:47,655 --> 00:20:49,858 Pac like, "Y'all in, I'ma take care of y'all." 452 00:20:49,858 --> 00:20:52,907 So we all around rollin' with Pac in New York. 453 00:20:52,907 --> 00:20:54,355 - This particular time in my life, 454 00:20:54,355 --> 00:20:56,188 I got kicked outta high school. 455 00:20:56,188 --> 00:20:59,124 We had a new principal that came in, 456 00:20:59,124 --> 00:21:01,293 and she called me to her office, and she said that, 457 00:21:01,293 --> 00:21:04,141 "I asked for the names of the top 100 worst kids 458 00:21:04,141 --> 00:21:06,855 "in the school and your name was at the top 10 of the list," 459 00:21:06,855 --> 00:21:08,486 and she said, "If you mess up one more time, 460 00:21:08,486 --> 00:21:11,322 "I'ma kick you out," so I didn't take her serious. 461 00:21:11,322 --> 00:21:13,313 I messed up, she called me back to the office, 462 00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:15,794 she kicked me out, and what I really wanted to do 463 00:21:15,794 --> 00:21:17,602 is pursue the career in the music industry. 464 00:21:17,602 --> 00:21:20,225 I got, I tasted it when I was hanging around Pac 465 00:21:20,225 --> 00:21:22,553 and I got back in touch with Kadafi. 466 00:21:22,553 --> 00:21:24,669 I felt like I was already living that life. 467 00:21:24,669 --> 00:21:28,741 So what happened is, Kadafi and Kastro, at this time, 468 00:21:28,741 --> 00:21:31,335 I was calling down to Atlanta, 469 00:21:31,335 --> 00:21:33,009 and they was like, "Why don't you come down here?" 470 00:21:33,009 --> 00:21:34,077 They just basically gave me 471 00:21:34,077 --> 00:21:35,467 the invitation to come down there. 472 00:21:35,467 --> 00:21:38,554 I went back to Corey, at this time C, and he said, 473 00:21:38,554 --> 00:21:40,840 "If you wanna go, man, I'll pay for your plane ticket." 474 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,676 So, he got up the money, gave me the money, 475 00:21:42,676 --> 00:21:45,887 paid for my plane ticket, and I remember going to Atlanta, 476 00:21:45,887 --> 00:21:48,764 and that was the beginning of the Outlaw era. 477 00:21:48,764 --> 00:21:51,681 - When Mu came around, it was like, 478 00:21:52,961 --> 00:21:55,554 I remember him from when we were little, 479 00:21:55,554 --> 00:21:57,773 and it was like, how could you not get along with him? 480 00:21:57,773 --> 00:22:01,672 He was cool, he was like one of us, he was funny, 481 00:22:01,672 --> 00:22:04,654 and we thought we was wild, he was a lot wilder 482 00:22:04,654 --> 00:22:06,763 than we was, though. - What's that? 483 00:22:06,763 --> 00:22:09,003 Tear it down! - Tear it down! 484 00:22:09,003 --> 00:22:12,351 - I'ma tear that ass down! - That's right. 485 00:22:12,351 --> 00:22:16,259 (people conversing) - Crazy! 486 00:22:16,259 --> 00:22:18,990 - I remember Mu when Mu was, like, off the hook. 487 00:22:18,990 --> 00:22:22,565 Mu was like, Mu was basically the wildest Outlaw 488 00:22:22,565 --> 00:22:25,399 in the group, a wild one. - He was all gone 489 00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:29,542 to hang out downtown, and he wasn't even, 490 00:22:29,542 --> 00:22:32,959 he wasn't even old enough to get into the club. 491 00:22:32,959 --> 00:22:37,126 So, we left him at the hotel downtown on P Street, 492 00:22:40,148 --> 00:22:43,315 so when we come back from hanging out, 493 00:22:46,916 --> 00:22:49,535 Pac was like, "Is that Mutah?" 494 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:52,344 He walkin' up and down the street, 495 00:22:52,344 --> 00:22:55,028 that's bothering people. - He was just a young kid, 496 00:22:55,028 --> 00:22:57,028 very talented, but wild. 497 00:22:58,298 --> 00:23:01,737 - Mu was the type of guy that was so wild that 498 00:23:01,737 --> 00:23:04,617 you kinda had to keep your hand on him 499 00:23:04,617 --> 00:23:07,072 'cause he was just always wanting to fight. 500 00:23:07,072 --> 00:23:09,124 He was always the catch, you always had to say 501 00:23:09,124 --> 00:23:13,541 where is he at, 'cause he's liable to punch somebody. 502 00:23:14,546 --> 00:23:18,277 - This time, I still was a solo artist. 503 00:23:18,277 --> 00:23:21,824 When I met Pac and even got back with Yafeu Kadafi 504 00:23:21,824 --> 00:23:24,473 and the rest of the brothers, 505 00:23:24,473 --> 00:23:25,646 man, I still had the intention, 506 00:23:25,646 --> 00:23:27,389 I always wanted to be a solo artist. 507 00:23:27,389 --> 00:23:29,358 - Soon as he got on the scene, we was already rapping. 508 00:23:29,358 --> 00:23:30,384 We was already a group. 509 00:23:30,384 --> 00:23:33,934 We was Dramacydal or the Young Thugz or something like that, 510 00:23:33,934 --> 00:23:36,716 and when he came, he had two songs. 511 00:23:36,716 --> 00:23:40,049 He had Money Had Me Feelin' Like a Star, 512 00:23:42,548 --> 00:23:45,101 Money and Murder, and another song. 513 00:23:45,101 --> 00:23:49,205 - We ended up doing a song together called Killing Fields. 514 00:23:49,205 --> 00:23:53,093 Me, Kadafi, E.D. and Kastro, at this time, 515 00:23:53,093 --> 00:23:55,267 the name of their group was called the Young Thugz. 516 00:23:55,267 --> 00:23:57,788 Pac went back to New York City and he happened 517 00:23:57,788 --> 00:24:01,084 to call down to Atlanta, and we played the song for him, 518 00:24:01,084 --> 00:24:04,414 we played the song over the phone for Pac, 519 00:24:04,414 --> 00:24:07,670 and he thought that we belong as a group. 520 00:24:07,670 --> 00:24:10,151 He said we sound good together, so that's when he started 521 00:24:10,151 --> 00:24:13,953 to put me in the group, the Young Thugz. 522 00:24:13,953 --> 00:24:16,870 - And, he added a extra grit to it, 523 00:24:17,774 --> 00:24:21,406 and a lot more soul to what we was doing, 524 00:24:21,406 --> 00:24:26,009 so he was, like I say, he was a piece that was missing. 525 00:24:26,009 --> 00:24:27,979 - I guess, at this time, we'd just hear that lucky beat, 526 00:24:27,979 --> 00:24:30,690 man, that dope beat, and we came up with a dope song, 527 00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:32,163 and Pac would say, "That's what I wanted, 528 00:24:32,163 --> 00:24:33,958 "that's what I was trying to get out of y'all." 529 00:24:33,958 --> 00:24:37,228 We went on to become Dramacydal, and from that song on 530 00:24:37,228 --> 00:24:39,630 and a few other songs, he said that I'ma get y'all 531 00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:41,058 a record deal with Interscope Records, 532 00:24:41,058 --> 00:24:43,405 so he sent a few songs with him, and they agreed, 533 00:24:43,405 --> 00:24:46,050 and that's the first contract that we ever signed 534 00:24:46,050 --> 00:24:48,640 was with Interscope Records. 535 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Pac happened to, one day, leave Atlanta 536 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,436 to go to New York City, and we get the phone call 537 00:24:54,436 --> 00:24:57,406 in the middle of the night from his girlfriend Keisha, 538 00:24:57,406 --> 00:24:59,579 and she spoke to Set, which is Pac's sister saying, 539 00:24:59,579 --> 00:25:02,966 "Pac just got shot." (gunshot firing) 540 00:25:02,966 --> 00:25:05,288 It felt like, even growing up, that every time I got close 541 00:25:05,288 --> 00:25:07,556 to an individual, even in my neighborhood, 542 00:25:07,556 --> 00:25:09,048 something happened to 'em, you know what I mean? 543 00:25:09,048 --> 00:25:10,819 So, I started to thinking, now that I'm close 544 00:25:10,819 --> 00:25:12,888 with this individual and he was treating me 545 00:25:12,888 --> 00:25:16,549 like a little brother, it's something gonna happen to him. 546 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:19,687 (swooshing) 547 00:25:19,687 --> 00:25:21,974 Soon, word got back that he was okay. 548 00:25:21,974 --> 00:25:24,771 The next day after he checked himself out of the hospital, 549 00:25:24,771 --> 00:25:27,326 he called the house, he spoke to E.D,, 550 00:25:27,326 --> 00:25:30,506 Kadafi said, "Let everybody know he was okay," 551 00:25:30,506 --> 00:25:31,976 and then he asked to speak to me, 552 00:25:31,976 --> 00:25:33,775 told them to give me the phone, 553 00:25:33,775 --> 00:25:35,767 and when I got on the phone with him, 554 00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,189 I was excited to speak to him, but I was more happy 555 00:25:38,189 --> 00:25:41,969 that he was safe, and he was saying, his exact words was, 556 00:25:41,969 --> 00:25:43,347 "You didn't think that I'd let them 557 00:25:43,347 --> 00:25:45,989 "take me away from you so soon." 558 00:25:45,989 --> 00:25:47,757 Most people from the outside looking in, 559 00:25:47,757 --> 00:25:49,129 and the way the media portrayed it, 560 00:25:49,129 --> 00:25:50,525 they thought it was a robbery, 561 00:25:50,525 --> 00:25:52,293 but them people came to murder him. 562 00:25:52,293 --> 00:25:55,749 Word was on the street that people like Biggie and Puffy, 563 00:25:55,749 --> 00:25:58,110 they knew that this individual was gonna try 564 00:25:58,110 --> 00:26:00,625 to do this to them because the same individual 565 00:26:00,625 --> 00:26:03,136 who tried to put this hit out on Pac, 566 00:26:03,136 --> 00:26:06,291 the word on the street is that they was extorting Puffy 567 00:26:06,291 --> 00:26:07,859 and Biggie and all these type of cats, 568 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:11,452 so the information started to get back to us real quick. 569 00:26:11,452 --> 00:26:15,308 A few weeks after that, he actually got arrested, 570 00:26:15,308 --> 00:26:18,117 but while he was arrested, he kept doing 571 00:26:18,117 --> 00:26:19,590 what he said he was gonna do. 572 00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:22,223 We went to Interscope Records, we signed a contract 573 00:26:22,223 --> 00:26:24,272 with Interscope Records while he was in prison, 574 00:26:24,272 --> 00:26:26,909 so it was just me, Kastro, and E.D. 575 00:26:26,909 --> 00:26:30,957 went to Universal Studios, stayed in the suburbs, 576 00:26:30,957 --> 00:26:33,470 Interscope pick us up, take us to the studio, 577 00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:34,668 and we did an album. 578 00:26:34,668 --> 00:26:37,360 Pac would call in from prison, he got on a few songs. 579 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:41,084 Actually, he was the first artist to be involved 580 00:26:41,084 --> 00:26:43,352 in a song from prison, he was on hooks. 581 00:26:43,352 --> 00:26:46,609 We'd put the microphone to the speaker, 582 00:26:46,609 --> 00:26:49,973 the phone to the speaker, and he'd start spitting the hook. 583 00:26:49,973 --> 00:26:52,665 So, that album was dope, man, it was some of the best music 584 00:26:52,665 --> 00:26:54,645 we'd ever done, they promoted us. 585 00:26:54,645 --> 00:26:57,825 Interscope Records had us in all the magazines. 586 00:26:57,825 --> 00:26:59,632 I remember one day we visited him, he said, 587 00:26:59,632 --> 00:27:02,210 "I'm not gonna release that album on Interscope." 588 00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:03,950 He said, "Matter of fact, I'm signing a record deal 589 00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:07,337 "with Suge Knight." (angelic music) 590 00:27:07,337 --> 00:27:08,758 This time, Death Row Records was 591 00:27:08,758 --> 00:27:10,526 the number one record label. 592 00:27:10,526 --> 00:27:14,039 They had Snoop Dog, they had Dr. Dre, they was making, 593 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,882 they knew how to promote their artists, put it that way, 594 00:27:16,882 --> 00:27:20,795 and Death Row Records was different for me because it was, 595 00:27:20,795 --> 00:27:23,169 you'd be in the studio and it's full of bloods and crips. 596 00:27:23,169 --> 00:27:25,684 You got Snoop in the studio full of crips, 597 00:27:25,684 --> 00:27:28,708 Snoop Dogg'll be in this studio, we in this studio 598 00:27:28,708 --> 00:27:30,882 full of bloods hangin' with Suge Knight. 599 00:27:30,882 --> 00:27:34,752 It always seemed like it was a tense atmosphere. 600 00:27:34,752 --> 00:27:36,779 It was one of them things that, it was a situation 601 00:27:36,779 --> 00:27:39,229 you had to always be on point. 602 00:27:39,229 --> 00:27:41,546 It reminded me of the streets, it reminded me, 603 00:27:41,546 --> 00:27:44,677 the studio actually reminded me of the streets in Jersey. 604 00:27:44,677 --> 00:27:47,446 After getting shot and doing a year and a half in prison 605 00:27:47,446 --> 00:27:49,932 and coming out dropping the number one record, 606 00:27:49,932 --> 00:27:51,330 the people was losing their minds, 607 00:27:51,330 --> 00:27:52,626 you walk in the mall with him. 608 00:27:52,626 --> 00:27:53,911 It was just one of them things that 609 00:27:53,911 --> 00:27:55,477 he was the number one celebrity, 610 00:27:55,477 --> 00:27:57,932 and he was the biggest star at that time. 611 00:27:57,932 --> 00:28:00,150 Now, he went from selling three to four 612 00:28:00,150 --> 00:28:03,123 or five million records to selling 20 million records. 613 00:28:03,123 --> 00:28:05,561 - Pac said that, "I wanna give you guys names 614 00:28:05,561 --> 00:28:06,695 "something different than most 615 00:28:06,695 --> 00:28:08,344 "or all the other rap groups out there." 616 00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:10,128 At this time, a lot of people were changing their names 617 00:28:10,128 --> 00:28:12,797 towards Italian mob figures or Italian names, 618 00:28:12,797 --> 00:28:14,525 so Pac said, "I wanna give you guys names 619 00:28:14,525 --> 00:28:17,362 "of so-called enemies of the West, or so-called tyrants," 620 00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:19,726 and when I was young, I used to have a very bad temper. 621 00:28:19,726 --> 00:28:22,310 When I met Pac, I still had this chip on my shoulder, 622 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:25,027 and he said that I basically had a short man complex. 623 00:28:25,027 --> 00:28:27,312 It was an inside joke, so that's how he gave me the name 624 00:28:27,312 --> 00:28:32,104 Napoleon, after the French emperor Napoleon Bonaparte. 625 00:28:32,104 --> 00:28:35,398 - He had the Napoleon complex, he was short. (chuckling) 626 00:28:35,398 --> 00:28:37,111 You know what I mean, he was little, 627 00:28:37,111 --> 00:28:40,974 so it was only right that his name was Napoleon. 628 00:28:40,974 --> 00:28:42,656 - Napoleon's name fitted him well. 629 00:28:42,656 --> 00:28:47,324 He had a short man's complex, he'd try anybody. 630 00:28:47,324 --> 00:28:51,720 - Napoleon was a short dude, had a Napoleon complex. 631 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,322 He was a rider, he was a rider for the squad. 632 00:28:54,322 --> 00:28:56,443 - So, that's how we formed the Outlawz. 633 00:28:56,443 --> 00:28:57,696 At first it was Outlaw Immortalz, 634 00:28:57,696 --> 00:29:01,289 and then he just cut it to The Outlawz. 635 00:29:01,289 --> 00:29:02,772 - The fame was on another level because, 636 00:29:02,772 --> 00:29:05,785 for the first time in my life, I did a tour. 637 00:29:05,785 --> 00:29:10,199 Tupac, Snoop Dogg, and Dr. Dre and the Dogg Pound, 638 00:29:10,199 --> 00:29:12,319 we did a small tour around America, 639 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:14,743 and to be able to come onstage with Pac 640 00:29:14,743 --> 00:29:17,796 and to look out, and a football stadium 641 00:29:17,796 --> 00:29:19,255 with nothing but people in the crowd, 642 00:29:19,255 --> 00:29:21,565 and we rapping on the side of him, man, 643 00:29:21,565 --> 00:29:23,767 that was the first time that in knew that this was real, 644 00:29:23,767 --> 00:29:25,736 to see people out in the audience screaming, 645 00:29:25,736 --> 00:29:29,687 as far as the eye can see, people, it's crowded. 646 00:29:29,687 --> 00:29:31,492 That was fame, man. 647 00:29:31,492 --> 00:29:34,161 At that time in my life, I just felt, 648 00:29:34,161 --> 00:29:36,468 when I left New Jersey, I was a kid. 649 00:29:36,468 --> 00:29:39,435 When I started to get around Pac, I started to become a man. 650 00:29:39,435 --> 00:29:42,845 It just made me arrogant, it made me arrogant because 651 00:29:42,845 --> 00:29:46,739 you basically have the whole world at your feet. 652 00:29:46,739 --> 00:29:51,397 - At the time, that music was, it was really hittin'. 653 00:29:51,397 --> 00:29:55,147 Tupac had introduced The Outlawz to his fans. 654 00:29:56,593 --> 00:29:59,690 - There was a certain amount of arrogance they all had 655 00:29:59,690 --> 00:30:01,871 during that time because they were on cloud nine, 656 00:30:01,871 --> 00:30:03,451 I mean, they were at the top, they were selling 657 00:30:03,451 --> 00:30:08,137 millions of albums with Tupac, and I think it felt for them 658 00:30:08,137 --> 00:30:10,055 that they had arrived to that point 659 00:30:10,055 --> 00:30:13,038 that they were all hoping to get to in their lives. 660 00:30:13,038 --> 00:30:16,777 - So, Death Row Records, man, we was living like kings. 661 00:30:16,777 --> 00:30:21,777 (swooshing) (heart beating) 662 00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:23,976 - As I got a phone call from my Aunt Jamila 663 00:30:23,976 --> 00:30:27,643 that said that my grandmother's unconscious. 664 00:30:28,521 --> 00:30:31,872 My grandmother was named Mary Clarke, West Virginia, 665 00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:33,330 she came from down South, so she had 666 00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:37,756 an old school upbringing, and she was just a sweet woman. 667 00:30:37,756 --> 00:30:40,211 One of the reasons I wanted to make it in the music industry 668 00:30:40,211 --> 00:30:41,740 so I can get her up out of the hood, 669 00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:44,425 I can put her in a better living condition, buy a house. 670 00:30:44,425 --> 00:30:47,114 This is the dream that I wanted to do for my grandmother. 671 00:30:47,114 --> 00:30:48,913 - 'Cause after my parents got murdered, 672 00:30:48,913 --> 00:30:51,607 my grandmother was the next close thing to me, 673 00:30:51,607 --> 00:30:53,929 and growing up, I always was close, 674 00:30:53,929 --> 00:30:55,794 I'd stay underneath my grandmother because 675 00:30:55,794 --> 00:30:58,278 I was so used to things getting taken away from me. 676 00:30:58,278 --> 00:31:00,006 - I can admit, man, we were some bad kids. 677 00:31:00,006 --> 00:31:02,874 We drove her her crazy, but she had this way where she dealt 678 00:31:02,874 --> 00:31:05,534 with us that all of us had a certain relationship with her, 679 00:31:05,534 --> 00:31:06,868 a special relationship with her. 680 00:31:06,868 --> 00:31:09,371 - And, I didn't end up growing up, when as a child, 681 00:31:09,371 --> 00:31:10,928 I never knew how I would take it 682 00:31:10,928 --> 00:31:13,421 if my grandmother passed away. - And I remember as kids, 683 00:31:13,421 --> 00:31:14,640 every time she'd go in the hospital, 684 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,678 me and my brothers and cousins say, "Man, I swear to God, 685 00:31:16,678 --> 00:31:19,352 "if Grandma die, we killing everybody in the neighborhood." 686 00:31:19,352 --> 00:31:23,035 We were just, (laughing) this is how much we loved her. 687 00:31:23,035 --> 00:31:24,198 So, when I got up there, 688 00:31:24,198 --> 00:31:27,677 by the time I got off the plane, she died already. 689 00:31:27,677 --> 00:31:30,383 When she passed away, man, I think that was 690 00:31:30,383 --> 00:31:33,529 the hardest death I ever went through. 691 00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:35,530 When you lose your mother and father at three years old, 692 00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:37,764 you're not really attached to 'em, you know what I mean? 693 00:31:37,764 --> 00:31:39,832 I was just a kid, but it was hard for me 694 00:31:39,832 --> 00:31:42,990 when I lost my grandmother, and that's when Kadafi 695 00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:45,356 was in my corner, 'cause I remember, I get the phone call, 696 00:31:45,356 --> 00:31:47,067 and I remember, I just grabbed a gun, 697 00:31:47,067 --> 00:31:49,354 and I had so much anger in me 698 00:31:49,354 --> 00:31:52,771 that I literally wanted to hurt somebody. 699 00:31:53,699 --> 00:31:57,564 And, I end up staying in New Jersey for a while, 700 00:31:57,564 --> 00:32:00,483 and start to run back in the streets, hangin', 701 00:32:00,483 --> 00:32:02,271 start to get used to my old ways. 702 00:32:02,271 --> 00:32:03,999 I had a little fame with me at this time, 703 00:32:03,999 --> 00:32:06,656 so I kinda, I didn't even want, I wanna say 704 00:32:06,656 --> 00:32:10,559 wanted go back to LA because I was on albums already, 705 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,097 I had a name for myself, so I was taking advantage of that, 706 00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:16,041 and months, probably like a month or something would pass 707 00:32:16,041 --> 00:32:18,459 and I get a phone call from Pac, and he said, 708 00:32:18,459 --> 00:32:19,861 "Are you ready to come home?" 709 00:32:19,861 --> 00:32:22,428 Even though I wasn't ready, but I knew, basically, 710 00:32:22,428 --> 00:32:25,695 what that means is to get back out here. 711 00:32:25,695 --> 00:32:28,739 Went back to LA and I started to listening to the songs 712 00:32:28,739 --> 00:32:31,507 on Makaveli, and to me, man, that was the most 713 00:32:31,507 --> 00:32:33,034 different music he ever done. 714 00:32:33,034 --> 00:32:35,327 It seemed like on that album, he touched, 715 00:32:35,327 --> 00:32:38,466 he touched in his inside and basically put it on the music 716 00:32:38,466 --> 00:32:41,233 that I never heard that from him in my life. 717 00:32:41,233 --> 00:32:43,421 After he came to Death Row Records he was more aggressive, 718 00:32:43,421 --> 00:32:45,587 but you gotta understand that he had actually 719 00:32:45,587 --> 00:32:46,991 people that wanted to murder him. 720 00:32:46,991 --> 00:32:49,853 The people that came to shoot him in that elevator 721 00:32:49,853 --> 00:32:52,603 that day in the studio, they came with the intention 722 00:32:52,603 --> 00:32:54,073 to murder him, you know what I mean? 723 00:32:54,073 --> 00:32:55,642 And, the word on the street is that 724 00:32:55,642 --> 00:32:58,375 these same people still wanted to murder him. 725 00:32:58,375 --> 00:33:00,368 One, I think the media really blew it up 726 00:33:00,368 --> 00:33:02,299 and made it an East Coast West Coast because 727 00:33:02,299 --> 00:33:04,276 all The Outlawz, we was from the East Coast. 728 00:33:04,276 --> 00:33:05,337 - Me, I didn't really see it as 729 00:33:05,337 --> 00:33:07,541 no East Coast West Coast thing. 730 00:33:07,541 --> 00:33:09,789 Even though in reality, it kinda was 731 00:33:09,789 --> 00:33:12,110 because it was a problem for the people from the West Coast 732 00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:14,229 to go the East Coast, and vice versa. 733 00:33:14,229 --> 00:33:18,293 But, I was from New York and California. 734 00:33:18,293 --> 00:33:20,413 - It was more of a beef between Bad Boy Records 735 00:33:20,413 --> 00:33:23,129 and Death Row Records, it was more on a personal beef. 736 00:33:23,129 --> 00:33:26,569 - And, the whole incident popped off with Tupac, 737 00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:29,550 and it was like, I kinda seen Biggie struggling with that, 738 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:34,129 like when a person kinda explained the relationship 739 00:33:34,129 --> 00:33:37,762 that he had with Tupac was genuine and they was pretty cool. 740 00:33:37,762 --> 00:33:41,903 - The Hit 'Em Up song came that Pac was in a studio, 741 00:33:41,903 --> 00:33:44,878 he did one Hit 'Em Up that all of us was on, 742 00:33:44,878 --> 00:33:47,939 and then he came, I think Biggie and them put out a song 743 00:33:47,939 --> 00:33:50,923 called Get Money, something like that, and Pac said, 744 00:33:50,923 --> 00:33:53,391 "I'ma take their beat, switch it up a little, 745 00:33:53,391 --> 00:33:56,289 "and I'm about to dis 'em, you know what I mean?" 746 00:33:56,289 --> 00:33:59,539 (slow distorted music) 747 00:34:01,135 --> 00:34:04,243 - So, when they just tried to go on this full court 748 00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:07,272 onslaught about assassinating Big's character, 749 00:34:07,272 --> 00:34:10,637 and I really didn't feel them cats to be honest with you. 750 00:34:10,637 --> 00:34:13,887 (slow distorted music) 751 00:34:16,683 --> 00:34:20,901 - In hip-hop, you got beef records, but what Pac did 752 00:34:20,901 --> 00:34:23,872 with that record was, he made it very personal, 753 00:34:23,872 --> 00:34:27,788 and he made it to where, I mean, you had to do something. 754 00:34:27,788 --> 00:34:30,365 You couldn't just rap no more, you had to either 755 00:34:30,365 --> 00:34:32,485 do something or don't say nothing. 756 00:34:32,485 --> 00:34:33,896 - It's one of them things that when it came out, 757 00:34:33,896 --> 00:34:38,738 it blew up, because I don't think that nobody ever did a dis 758 00:34:38,738 --> 00:34:41,895 that was that serious, it was serious. 759 00:34:41,895 --> 00:34:45,764 - I was like, man, these dudes is troublemakers. 760 00:34:45,764 --> 00:34:48,657 These cats is starting a little bit too much trouble. 761 00:34:48,657 --> 00:34:53,574 This thing ain't gonna end on a good note if this persists. 762 00:34:55,646 --> 00:34:57,715 - When I got to Los Angeles, he happened to be doing 763 00:34:57,715 --> 00:35:00,335 the last song, which is called Life of an Outlaw, 764 00:35:00,335 --> 00:35:01,644 and that was basically the last song 765 00:35:01,644 --> 00:35:05,505 that I ever done with him, that was it, you know? 766 00:35:05,505 --> 00:35:10,505 (gunshots firing) (sirens blaring) 767 00:35:11,701 --> 00:35:13,966 - Tupac, he got into a fight with an individual 768 00:35:13,966 --> 00:35:18,966 for an incident that happened a few weeks before that. 769 00:35:19,198 --> 00:35:22,095 One of the guys from Death Row Records whispered to Pac 770 00:35:22,095 --> 00:35:24,189 and said, "That's the dude that I got into a fight with 771 00:35:24,189 --> 00:35:25,863 "a few weeks ago, whatever." 772 00:35:25,863 --> 00:35:28,376 Pac, for whatever reason, just snapped 773 00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:32,357 and charged the dude, started fighting the dude. 774 00:35:32,357 --> 00:35:35,940 - So, Pac left me and Napoleon at the house 775 00:35:36,838 --> 00:35:38,297 where we had just came from New York, 776 00:35:38,297 --> 00:35:41,805 took E.D. and Kastro with him, so me and Napoleon, 777 00:35:41,805 --> 00:35:45,222 we was the only two Outlawz not in Vegas. 778 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:49,706 - This particular time, I left out of Pac's house, 779 00:35:49,706 --> 00:35:53,347 and he called the house and he asked Noble where I was at, 780 00:35:53,347 --> 00:35:56,726 and Noble said he left, but something was very strange, man, 781 00:35:56,726 --> 00:35:58,760 'cause even for me, at that time, I remember, 782 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,469 I felt like something was gonna happen. 783 00:36:00,469 --> 00:36:03,296 Even when I look back at it, I ask myself, 784 00:36:03,296 --> 00:36:04,725 what was that feeling? 785 00:36:04,725 --> 00:36:05,985 I just had this feeling that I said, 786 00:36:05,985 --> 00:36:07,457 "I feel something's gonna happen," 787 00:36:07,457 --> 00:36:09,765 and that's one of the reasons I left Pac's house. 788 00:36:09,765 --> 00:36:12,215 I just felt like I need to go think. 789 00:36:12,215 --> 00:36:14,408 - When I got back to the house, I remember Young Noble 790 00:36:14,408 --> 00:36:16,322 coming to the gate and his face looked, 791 00:36:16,322 --> 00:36:20,579 he had a strange look on his face, I said, "Did Pac call?" 792 00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:23,778 He said, "Yo, I think Yasmine called, Kadafi's mother said 793 00:36:23,778 --> 00:36:28,586 "Tupac just got shot." (swooshing) 794 00:36:28,586 --> 00:36:29,975 But, the first thing that I said in my head, 795 00:36:29,975 --> 00:36:33,238 when he got shot five times before, he's gonna take this, 796 00:36:33,238 --> 00:36:35,588 come out, do records, sell millions of records again. 797 00:36:35,588 --> 00:36:38,021 We put all types of guns in the trunk. 798 00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:40,382 We drove to Vegas, man we had a trunk full of weapons 799 00:36:40,382 --> 00:36:45,147 'cause we didn't know what to expect when we get there. 800 00:36:45,147 --> 00:36:47,211 I remember when I first entered the hospital 801 00:36:47,211 --> 00:36:50,867 to see Pac in a bed, his mother and Sekyiwa, his sister, 802 00:36:50,867 --> 00:36:52,990 used to always say that he's okay and he looked fine, 803 00:36:52,990 --> 00:36:56,037 but when I actually saw him in the hospital bed, to me, 804 00:36:56,037 --> 00:36:58,112 I knew from right there that it didn't look like 805 00:36:58,112 --> 00:36:59,565 he was gonna make it. (heart rate monitor beeping) 806 00:36:59,565 --> 00:37:01,962 Of course, his mother and sister are very strong individuals 807 00:37:01,962 --> 00:37:03,797 so they kept saying, "He look good, he look good," 808 00:37:03,797 --> 00:37:06,035 but when I seen Tupac in the state that he was in, 809 00:37:06,035 --> 00:37:08,468 it was hard for me to see him like that. 810 00:37:08,468 --> 00:37:12,976 Pac was a guy that was always loud, always partying. 811 00:37:12,976 --> 00:37:15,618 So now, to see him lying in the bed, he was helpless, 812 00:37:15,618 --> 00:37:18,389 it just didn't look right, and a couple days later, 813 00:37:18,389 --> 00:37:23,389 that's when he passed away. (heat rate monitor flatlining) 814 00:37:23,945 --> 00:37:27,783 (swooshing) (slow choir music) 815 00:37:27,783 --> 00:37:31,866 - Pac loved him, them two was bonding, so I know, 816 00:37:33,018 --> 00:37:37,659 it effected him real, real hard, and if you know Mu, 817 00:37:37,659 --> 00:37:42,659 he's real sensitive, passionate person, 818 00:37:43,233 --> 00:37:46,650 so he felt it hard. - Once Pac got killed, 819 00:37:47,986 --> 00:37:51,010 I think he probably lost a little hope 820 00:37:51,010 --> 00:37:55,843 because everything, I guess, that was close to him always, 821 00:37:56,953 --> 00:38:00,309 somehow someway he dies or get taken away from him. 822 00:38:00,309 --> 00:38:02,810 - His grandmother just passed. 823 00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:04,226 Everybody that was taking care of him, 824 00:38:04,226 --> 00:38:07,699 as far as trying to have guardianship over him, 825 00:38:07,699 --> 00:38:10,140 passed away. - From day one, 826 00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:11,612 he treated me like a family member. 827 00:38:11,612 --> 00:38:13,261 It wasn't like he said, come to Atlanta, 828 00:38:13,261 --> 00:38:14,920 you stay at the hotel, I actually moved in 829 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,660 the house with him. - Pac was his mentor, 830 00:38:17,660 --> 00:38:20,791 Pac was his older brother, he was his dad even 831 00:38:20,791 --> 00:38:24,208 in a lot of ways. - I mean, 832 00:38:26,253 --> 00:38:30,294 like, Pac was my family, that was my brother. 833 00:38:30,294 --> 00:38:32,629 It's obvious how I felt, I felt devastated, 834 00:38:32,629 --> 00:38:36,712 I felt destroyed, a part of me was taken from me. 835 00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:43,470 - Well, when I heard he passed away, I was in Jersey. 836 00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:45,962 Off some bull, probably drunk or high, 837 00:38:45,962 --> 00:38:49,305 and when I heard this, I heard it on the radio. 838 00:38:49,305 --> 00:38:51,649 I was kinda hurt because I couldn't be there, 839 00:38:51,649 --> 00:38:55,578 but at the same time, I felt like the, 840 00:38:55,578 --> 00:38:58,414 was gonna pull through and he didn't. 841 00:38:58,414 --> 00:39:00,747 (sad music) 842 00:39:05,542 --> 00:39:08,602 - Word on the street that it was Orlando Anderson. 843 00:39:08,602 --> 00:39:11,791 This was the guy that Pac fought in the hotel lobby. 844 00:39:11,791 --> 00:39:13,455 Word on the street that it was his boys 845 00:39:13,455 --> 00:39:16,084 that came back to take revenge, which makes sense, 846 00:39:16,084 --> 00:39:19,601 because, especially in America, that's how it worked. 847 00:39:19,601 --> 00:39:22,539 You fight with an individual nowadays, 848 00:39:22,539 --> 00:39:24,337 they come back for revenge, they don't wanna 849 00:39:24,337 --> 00:39:27,091 come back to fight, they gonna come back to shoot. 850 00:39:27,091 --> 00:39:29,046 So, word on the streets, even though they never 851 00:39:29,046 --> 00:39:31,152 found the killer, but that was the word on the street 852 00:39:31,152 --> 00:39:32,584 is that the people that was involved 853 00:39:32,584 --> 00:39:37,417 was from that guy hood from Compton, you know what I mean? 854 00:39:38,562 --> 00:39:40,036 - When you're in the public eye like that, 855 00:39:40,036 --> 00:39:41,775 you just can't go around wild'n out, 856 00:39:41,775 --> 00:39:45,797 smackin', in the head, and it was a lesson really learned 857 00:39:45,797 --> 00:39:49,649 to me, 'cause I come from areas where, 858 00:39:49,649 --> 00:39:52,392 if you do something to somebody, you gotta be ready 859 00:39:52,392 --> 00:39:55,657 for when they come back, and the bottom line is, 860 00:39:55,657 --> 00:39:57,925 I just learned to just be humble. 861 00:39:57,925 --> 00:40:00,258 (sad music) 862 00:40:07,806 --> 00:40:10,522 - So, after the death of Pac, me and Kadafi, 863 00:40:10,522 --> 00:40:12,380 we went back to New Jersey. 864 00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:15,220 I actually went back to New Jersey when my hood 865 00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:16,822 was basically beefing with some cats 866 00:40:16,822 --> 00:40:19,648 from another neighborhood, and they actually was coming 867 00:40:19,648 --> 00:40:22,564 around on my block looking for my cousin Roddy, 868 00:40:22,564 --> 00:40:24,846 and I happened to one day be outside on the block 869 00:40:24,846 --> 00:40:27,276 with my brother Seike, and a van pulled up 870 00:40:27,276 --> 00:40:30,527 and they jumped out, shotgun, and they ran down on us, 871 00:40:30,527 --> 00:40:33,237 and they was looking at us, and they happened to find out 872 00:40:33,237 --> 00:40:36,666 that my cousin Roddy wasn't there, so they basically 873 00:40:36,666 --> 00:40:38,856 jumped in their van and he went around the corner. 874 00:40:38,856 --> 00:40:41,273 The next day, I went back out the block, the same thing. 875 00:40:41,273 --> 00:40:44,419 They came back around looking for my cousin, Roddy. 876 00:40:44,419 --> 00:40:45,755 They was jumping out with the guns, 877 00:40:45,755 --> 00:40:49,239 just pointing guns at everybody, so if I'm coming from 878 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,406 just losing Pac, from getting shot up, 879 00:40:53,423 --> 00:40:56,260 I wast taking that lightly, so one day, 880 00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:58,161 they actually came back on the block and I said, 881 00:40:58,161 --> 00:40:59,764 "Man, it's either me or them." 882 00:40:59,764 --> 00:41:01,753 What if they come out this time and start shooting? 883 00:41:01,753 --> 00:41:03,710 And, I ran upstairs to the apartment 884 00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:04,925 where they used to hide the drugs, 885 00:41:04,925 --> 00:41:09,014 hide the drugs, hide the guns, and my cousin actually 886 00:41:09,014 --> 00:41:11,348 grabbed a gun, my cousin Reef, and I actually started 887 00:41:11,348 --> 00:41:14,697 wrestling the gun, getting the gun from out of his hands, 888 00:41:14,697 --> 00:41:16,805 and I ran downstairs, and when I came outside 889 00:41:16,805 --> 00:41:19,339 of the building, the van was actually out there. 890 00:41:19,339 --> 00:41:21,225 They was about to jump out, put it that way. 891 00:41:21,225 --> 00:41:23,588 (prison doors closing) A few days later after that, 892 00:41:23,588 --> 00:41:25,725 I got arrested for something different, 893 00:41:25,725 --> 00:41:27,427 for some weed or something, I was around somebody 894 00:41:27,427 --> 00:41:30,008 that had some marijuana with 'em and I got locked up, 895 00:41:30,008 --> 00:41:34,154 and when I was in the cell, it was only for a week or two, 896 00:41:34,154 --> 00:41:36,906 when I was in the cell, I was thinking, man, 897 00:41:36,906 --> 00:41:39,972 and I basically said, "This is the reason I left New Jersey, 898 00:41:39,972 --> 00:41:41,167 "what am I doing?" 899 00:41:41,167 --> 00:41:43,205 I wanted to pursue a career in the music industry. 900 00:41:43,205 --> 00:41:46,030 What am I doing back to square one? 901 00:41:46,030 --> 00:41:47,772 So is said, "When I get out of here, I'ma tell Kadafi 902 00:41:47,772 --> 00:41:49,245 "let's leave, man, let's go pursue 903 00:41:49,245 --> 00:41:50,972 "our career in the music industry." 904 00:41:50,972 --> 00:41:52,340 So, I got out and I told Kadafi, 905 00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:54,343 "Man, let's just get up outta here," and he said, 906 00:41:54,343 --> 00:41:56,719 "You go and I'll meet you out there." 907 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,292 I introduced Kadafi to my cousin Roddy, 908 00:41:59,292 --> 00:42:00,931 and they built their own relationship, man, 909 00:42:00,931 --> 00:42:02,446 they became friends and they started 910 00:42:02,446 --> 00:42:04,444 to hang around each other without me. 911 00:42:04,444 --> 00:42:06,837 I introduced Kadafi to Roddy basically saying also 912 00:42:06,837 --> 00:42:08,449 that Kadafi was in good hands. 913 00:42:08,449 --> 00:42:10,035 I know that if anything would happen to him 914 00:42:10,035 --> 00:42:12,637 while he was around Roddy, I know Roddy the type 915 00:42:12,637 --> 00:42:15,230 that ain't gonna let nothing happen to him, put it that way. 916 00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:18,157 So, when I left New Jersey in October, 917 00:42:18,157 --> 00:42:20,226 I get a phone call in November, 918 00:42:20,226 --> 00:42:22,176 (cell phone ringing) and I remember Kastro 919 00:42:22,176 --> 00:42:24,833 coming in the room and he said, "Man, Kadafi just got shot." 920 00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:28,738 (gunshot firing) - And we found out 921 00:42:28,738 --> 00:42:33,738 about Yak on the morning of the Pac memorial. 922 00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:39,110 That morning is when we found out about Yak, 923 00:42:39,110 --> 00:42:42,609 so it was like, you know. - A few hours later, 924 00:42:42,609 --> 00:42:45,024 we got another phone call that came from New Jersey 925 00:42:45,024 --> 00:42:48,042 and said that it was Mutah's cousin, it was Roddy, 926 00:42:48,042 --> 00:42:52,586 and I remember I just broke down and started crying. 927 00:42:52,586 --> 00:42:56,836 - The feeling, after we found out who shot Yak, was 928 00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:03,290 sickness. 929 00:43:04,252 --> 00:43:06,294 We were shocked and we were sickened. 930 00:43:06,294 --> 00:43:10,565 It was like we were dealing with so much already. 931 00:43:10,565 --> 00:43:13,269 - I believe Kadafi's death affected my brother 932 00:43:13,269 --> 00:43:15,484 probably harder than Pac's death, 933 00:43:15,484 --> 00:43:18,160 because it came from the hands of my little cousin, 934 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,067 and growing up, my grandmother raised me, 935 00:43:20,067 --> 00:43:22,637 my two brothers, and three of my other cousins, 936 00:43:22,637 --> 00:43:24,870 so we grew up as brothers all our lives. 937 00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:26,765 - Yak was his best friend. 938 00:43:26,765 --> 00:43:29,201 As far as I know, that's how I met him, (chuckling) 939 00:43:29,201 --> 00:43:32,451 that's how I met Mu through Yak, and... 940 00:43:33,407 --> 00:43:36,678 I know that had to hurt. - It just left a hole, 941 00:43:36,678 --> 00:43:39,592 it just left everybody in a weird position 942 00:43:39,592 --> 00:43:44,592 because his cousin did it, he introduced them to each other. 943 00:43:46,313 --> 00:43:48,490 - Dealing with it through he clique, 944 00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:51,508 dealing with it on the family level, 945 00:43:51,508 --> 00:43:56,508 there was arguments, people fought, people stopped speaking, 946 00:43:57,223 --> 00:44:00,208 and people argued. - One end, you got 947 00:44:00,208 --> 00:44:03,512 Kadafi's family feeling a certain way about my family now 948 00:44:03,512 --> 00:44:07,105 because my cousin killed their family member, 949 00:44:07,105 --> 00:44:08,941 and my brother's stuck in the middle because 950 00:44:08,941 --> 00:44:12,314 he loved Kadafi like a brother, and he also loved my cousin 951 00:44:12,314 --> 00:44:14,270 like a brother. - But Pac moms, 952 00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:16,023 one of the things I can say, even though Kadafi 953 00:44:16,023 --> 00:44:17,552 was her nephew and that was my cousin 954 00:44:17,552 --> 00:44:19,982 that actually killed him, they never once 955 00:44:19,982 --> 00:44:23,046 made me feel uncomfortable in that house. 956 00:44:23,046 --> 00:44:25,802 But, deep in my own soul, I felt uncomfortable. 957 00:44:25,802 --> 00:44:28,572 Even though they treated me like family, 958 00:44:28,572 --> 00:44:32,141 they stood up for me. - He's stuck in the middle, 959 00:44:32,141 --> 00:44:36,376 but my brother was, it was kinda hard 'cause he really, 960 00:44:36,376 --> 00:44:38,058 he didn't really wanna take no sides, 961 00:44:38,058 --> 00:44:40,366 but what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, 962 00:44:40,366 --> 00:44:42,338 but after he talked to my cousin, my cousin said 963 00:44:42,338 --> 00:44:44,560 he didn't mean to do it. - And I went to him 964 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,698 and I asked him, "What happened?" 965 00:44:46,698 --> 00:44:50,212 He was looking, he had this look on his face that 966 00:44:50,212 --> 00:44:53,236 he was looking like he was hurt and sad. 967 00:44:53,236 --> 00:44:56,110 He looked like he was in shame, put it that way, 968 00:44:56,110 --> 00:44:57,570 and he would explain to me, 969 00:44:57,570 --> 00:44:59,298 he said, "I was playing with a gun," 970 00:44:59,298 --> 00:45:02,021 Cause was the other guy involved, he said that he put Yak 971 00:45:02,021 --> 00:45:03,968 in a headlock, "I pointed the gun in his face, 972 00:45:03,968 --> 00:45:07,142 "and the gun accidentally went off, so we ran," 973 00:45:07,142 --> 00:45:10,059 and I was like, "Man, if it's an accident, 974 00:45:10,059 --> 00:45:12,472 "you should turn yourself in," and the reason why 975 00:45:12,472 --> 00:45:14,674 I felt like he should turn himself in because, one, 976 00:45:14,674 --> 00:45:16,729 I didn't really feel comfortable with my cousin Roddy 977 00:45:16,729 --> 00:45:19,353 actually killing Kadafi, it was a close friend of mine 978 00:45:19,353 --> 00:45:20,845 just walking around like that. 979 00:45:20,845 --> 00:45:24,285 I felt like something had to, something should be done, 980 00:45:24,285 --> 00:45:26,766 but of course, Roddy is my cousin and I love my cousin, 981 00:45:26,766 --> 00:45:28,664 so I don't want nothing bad to happen to him, 982 00:45:28,664 --> 00:45:30,539 so I just figure, man, you should turn yourself in 983 00:45:30,539 --> 00:45:33,370 to face responsibility, you know what I mean? 984 00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:35,439 If it's an accident, you have to, because I looked at it, 985 00:45:35,439 --> 00:45:37,289 if he would've ran, then it would've 986 00:45:37,289 --> 00:45:38,772 looked like it wasn't an accident. 987 00:45:38,772 --> 00:45:40,631 Eventually, he turned himself in, 988 00:45:40,631 --> 00:45:44,469 and he did about 10 to 12 years in prison for that. 989 00:45:44,469 --> 00:45:46,849 - My brother understood him, I guess he forgave him, man. 990 00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:49,346 Man, but his family didn't forgive him, 991 00:45:49,346 --> 00:45:50,568 but that's understanding. 992 00:45:50,568 --> 00:45:52,355 If somebody killed my family member, 993 00:45:52,355 --> 00:45:54,382 they said that I was high on drugs, I'm sorry, 994 00:45:54,382 --> 00:45:56,184 I'd probably have a hard time forgiving him, too, 995 00:45:56,184 --> 00:45:59,566 so I understand that, but my brother forgave my cousin, 996 00:45:59,566 --> 00:46:02,062 but it still was difficult for him. 997 00:46:02,062 --> 00:46:03,872 - It felt like, man I couldn't believe that, 998 00:46:03,872 --> 00:46:06,162 one, I lost my grandmother, then Tupac, 999 00:46:06,162 --> 00:46:09,104 and then Kadafi, man, I couldn't believe it. 1000 00:46:09,104 --> 00:46:12,038 After that, I just started to basically, 1001 00:46:12,038 --> 00:46:14,245 we started to give up, 'cause you losing 1002 00:46:14,245 --> 00:46:16,073 everybody around you, what do you do? 1003 00:46:16,073 --> 00:46:17,949 The only thing that I wanted to do after that 1004 00:46:17,949 --> 00:46:19,191 is get high and drunk. 1005 00:46:19,191 --> 00:46:20,825 Every single day of my life after that, 1006 00:46:20,825 --> 00:46:23,673 I made sure that I was numb. 1007 00:46:23,673 --> 00:46:26,603 After the death of Kadafi and the death of Tupac, 1008 00:46:26,603 --> 00:46:29,639 I get a phone call one day, and I think this all 1009 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,230 was in the same year, man, that's what made it even hard. 1010 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:35,279 I get a phone call from my aunt, and she said, 1011 00:46:35,279 --> 00:46:38,684 "Somebody just jumped your brother." 1012 00:46:38,684 --> 00:46:42,892 Seike, Sleek, he was named after my father. 1013 00:46:42,892 --> 00:46:44,924 We knew him growing up, but I can't recall 1014 00:46:44,924 --> 00:46:46,490 when he came in our life. 1015 00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:49,067 We was close with him, we spent a lot of time with him, 1016 00:46:49,067 --> 00:46:51,684 he used to come visit us on the weekend, so we was close. 1017 00:46:51,684 --> 00:46:53,534 - The way his face and his head, it was swollen 1018 00:46:53,534 --> 00:46:56,539 as if somebody jumped him, so when he went to the hospital, 1019 00:46:56,539 --> 00:46:58,974 the doctor at the hospital, he looked at him and he said 1020 00:46:58,974 --> 00:47:00,938 it looked as if he got jumped with pipes, 1021 00:47:00,938 --> 00:47:03,323 like somebody beat him with pipes and a bat, 1022 00:47:03,323 --> 00:47:06,262 not knowing all this time that he had a bullet in his head. 1023 00:47:06,262 --> 00:47:11,073 Come to find out that he shot himself in the head. 1024 00:47:11,073 --> 00:47:13,328 I do remember that some people in my family, 1025 00:47:13,328 --> 00:47:15,419 they used to refer to him as their step-brother, 1026 00:47:15,419 --> 00:47:18,335 and I remember at a young age, when they used to say, 1027 00:47:18,335 --> 00:47:20,332 "This is your stepbrother, this is your stepbrother," 1028 00:47:20,332 --> 00:47:22,371 in actuality, this is actually my father's son, 1029 00:47:22,371 --> 00:47:23,642 so he's my brother. 1030 00:47:23,642 --> 00:47:26,248 It's some times that we felt like some of the family members 1031 00:47:26,248 --> 00:47:29,499 ain't really, you know, we ain't open up to him 1032 00:47:29,499 --> 00:47:30,969 like we should've, put it that way. 1033 00:47:30,969 --> 00:47:33,763 I think my brother Seike, he was hurt on the inside 1034 00:47:33,763 --> 00:47:37,210 because he felt like he didn't fit in like the rest of us. 1035 00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:39,837 - Seike affected more lives, you know what I'm saying? 1036 00:47:39,837 --> 00:47:44,170 He was already a heavy drinker, a real intense dude, 1037 00:47:46,361 --> 00:47:48,166 (laughing) for lack of a better word, 1038 00:47:48,166 --> 00:47:50,289 and I think that just added to it. 1039 00:47:50,289 --> 00:47:53,705 It added to all of us, but not as much as Mu, 1040 00:47:53,705 --> 00:47:55,808 'cause we all loved Seike, too. 1041 00:47:55,808 --> 00:47:58,999 Seike was a good guy, and we had a lot of love for him, 1042 00:47:58,999 --> 00:48:02,914 so it's never good when you lose somebody close to you. 1043 00:48:02,914 --> 00:48:05,436 It's never a good thing. - Basically, I felt like 1044 00:48:05,436 --> 00:48:07,666 I was losing my mind, I almost lost my mind. 1045 00:48:07,666 --> 00:48:10,110 I turned to drugs, I started experimenting 1046 00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:12,902 with different drugs, I was getting drunk every single day. 1047 00:48:12,902 --> 00:48:14,740 To the point that I won't never walk out of my house 1048 00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:16,846 without being drunk, it was a time of my life, 1049 00:48:16,846 --> 00:48:19,327 a five year period that, every single day for five years, 1050 00:48:19,327 --> 00:48:23,198 I was intoxicated and this was how I wanted to live my life. 1051 00:48:23,198 --> 00:48:26,066 - Everyday at 6:30, he would get a bottle of Hennessy 1052 00:48:26,066 --> 00:48:29,914 and some Coke, and he would drink everyday nonstop, 1053 00:48:29,914 --> 00:48:32,569 and walked around with a gun, always wanted to fight, 1054 00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:35,031 always wanted to start trouble, always looked for trouble. 1055 00:48:35,031 --> 00:48:37,389 - He started getting heavy in that liquor, 1056 00:48:37,389 --> 00:48:39,452 trying anybody, he had a death wish. 1057 00:48:39,452 --> 00:48:42,421 He'd go up on anybody, smack 'em. 1058 00:48:42,421 --> 00:48:43,530 - Every other day I was going 1059 00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:45,701 to nightclubs just to start fights. 1060 00:48:45,701 --> 00:48:47,932 I just had so much anger in me at that time. 1061 00:48:47,932 --> 00:48:49,888 I didn't wanna live or I didn't really care. 1062 00:48:49,888 --> 00:48:51,805 I just gave up on life. 1063 00:48:52,829 --> 00:48:54,654 We was back in Los Angeles at this time. 1064 00:48:54,654 --> 00:48:58,849 We signed a small contract with Death Row Records. 1065 00:48:58,849 --> 00:49:02,029 - And, my brother and them, they needed to make some money. 1066 00:49:02,029 --> 00:49:03,439 They had to take care of their family, 1067 00:49:03,439 --> 00:49:05,393 had to take care of themselves, they had bills, 1068 00:49:05,393 --> 00:49:08,681 so the only people that came to them was Suge. 1069 00:49:08,681 --> 00:49:10,940 From there on out, it didn't work out. 1070 00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:13,518 - We wanted to make music, even though it was hard 1071 00:49:13,518 --> 00:49:15,483 without Kadafi and without Pac actually being 1072 00:49:15,483 --> 00:49:17,784 in the same studio that we used to record 1073 00:49:17,784 --> 00:49:21,037 with Pac and Kadafi, so we went into the recording studio. 1074 00:49:21,037 --> 00:49:23,159 This is what we knew. 1075 00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,549 We started our own company called Outlaw Records, 1076 00:49:25,549 --> 00:49:27,911 and we started to make our own money independent 1077 00:49:27,911 --> 00:49:29,192 because we'd put a record out there, 1078 00:49:29,192 --> 00:49:31,043 sell about two or 300,000 copies, 1079 00:49:31,043 --> 00:49:33,606 and we was getting about $10 a CD, 1080 00:49:33,606 --> 00:49:36,187 so $10 of every copy was going to us, 1081 00:49:36,187 --> 00:49:37,886 so we was making a little bit of money. 1082 00:49:37,886 --> 00:49:40,609 So, we did a small tour, we went to Germany, 1083 00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:42,672 different places around the world. 1084 00:49:42,672 --> 00:49:45,502 As far as success for my personal life, I remember, 1085 00:49:45,502 --> 00:49:49,165 I had homes, I had my own house. 1086 00:49:49,165 --> 00:49:50,733 I thought that this was the American dream. 1087 00:49:50,733 --> 00:49:52,569 I remember I bought a house in a gated community, 1088 00:49:52,569 --> 00:49:54,297 all million dollar houses. 1089 00:49:54,297 --> 00:49:57,645 I'm probably the youngest homeowner in that estate. 1090 00:49:57,645 --> 00:49:59,937 Only African American in that estate. 1091 00:49:59,937 --> 00:50:03,417 It was a gated community, and I just felt like I made it, 1092 00:50:03,417 --> 00:50:06,073 but one of the things that was missing was happiness, 1093 00:50:06,073 --> 00:50:07,950 and I used to think that happiness, 1094 00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:09,721 well maybe I was in this house too long, 1095 00:50:09,721 --> 00:50:11,039 and I went and bought another house, 1096 00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:12,174 and I went and bought another house. 1097 00:50:12,174 --> 00:50:14,652 At this particular time in my life, I had a townhouse 1098 00:50:14,652 --> 00:50:16,983 and I had two other houses, I had three houses, 1099 00:50:16,983 --> 00:50:21,115 but I was very depressed. - I saw him struggle. 1100 00:50:21,115 --> 00:50:25,115 I saw him just, he was heavy in alcohol, he was, 1101 00:50:27,782 --> 00:50:31,753 and I feel him, and if you know Mu's history, 1102 00:50:31,753 --> 00:50:35,408 you know about his family and his parents being killed, 1103 00:50:35,408 --> 00:50:39,884 and I was like, man, this dude is dealing with so much. 1104 00:50:39,884 --> 00:50:42,430 So, I seen him wild out with the girls, 1105 00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:45,379 wild out, drinking alcohol, getting drunk, fighting. 1106 00:50:45,379 --> 00:50:50,379 - In the studio, I remember, he was always liquored up. 1107 00:50:50,518 --> 00:50:53,483 He was always liquored up and smoking weed, 1108 00:50:53,483 --> 00:50:55,773 so he was always a little belligerent 1109 00:50:55,773 --> 00:50:59,013 and a little more physically active 1110 00:50:59,013 --> 00:51:02,076 than the rest of The Outlawz. - So once he start drinking, 1111 00:51:02,076 --> 00:51:04,597 I guess it'd numb away his pain and make him 1112 00:51:04,597 --> 00:51:07,004 forget about reality and he'd live in that moment, 1113 00:51:07,004 --> 00:51:11,515 so it'd become addictive, and everyday he would drink, 1114 00:51:11,515 --> 00:51:13,601 and for me, I used to always tell him, like man, 1115 00:51:13,601 --> 00:51:14,903 you need to stop drinking, man. 1116 00:51:14,903 --> 00:51:18,748 He wasn't like someone that's drinking everyday spitting up. 1117 00:51:18,748 --> 00:51:20,487 He can drink and you'll never know he was drunk, 1118 00:51:20,487 --> 00:51:22,785 that's probably how much he was immune to it. 1119 00:51:22,785 --> 00:51:24,614 - At that time in my life, man, I was going through 1120 00:51:24,614 --> 00:51:27,201 something serious because, in the inside of me 1121 00:51:27,201 --> 00:51:30,290 I wanted happiness, but at the same time, 1122 00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:34,289 I was giving up on life. (angelic music) 1123 00:51:34,289 --> 00:51:36,147 The night in the studio when I got into a fight 1124 00:51:36,147 --> 00:51:38,649 with my little brother, man, I was drunk out of my mind, 1125 00:51:38,649 --> 00:51:40,145 and I got into an argument with him 1126 00:51:40,145 --> 00:51:41,716 and he said something I didn't like, 1127 00:51:41,716 --> 00:51:44,103 so immediately, I just started fighting. 1128 00:51:44,103 --> 00:51:46,351 - Going off, I always talk back. 1129 00:51:46,351 --> 00:51:49,341 Mu say something, I always got something to say. 1130 00:51:49,341 --> 00:51:52,365 Disrespectful, and we just started fighting. 1131 00:51:52,365 --> 00:51:54,442 - When I had him on the ground, man, I basically was 1132 00:51:54,442 --> 00:51:57,034 hitting his head against the ground to the point 1133 00:51:57,034 --> 00:52:00,843 that he started to bleed. - When Mu seen I was bleeding, 1134 00:52:00,843 --> 00:52:02,514 I had to get all them stitches in my head 1135 00:52:02,514 --> 00:52:04,971 'cause I hit my head on a window that had bars. 1136 00:52:04,971 --> 00:52:06,862 - And, it happened to be a Muslim brother 1137 00:52:06,862 --> 00:52:09,267 who was in the studio with us at that time, 1138 00:52:09,267 --> 00:52:12,434 but he was in another session. - Walked into the studio, 1139 00:52:12,434 --> 00:52:15,113 there's blood everywhere! 1140 00:52:15,113 --> 00:52:19,613 I mean, tables are turned over, chairs are everywhere, 1141 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,725 recording equipment is laid out everywhere. 1142 00:52:24,725 --> 00:52:26,817 - After hearing the commotion and seeing the fight 1143 00:52:26,817 --> 00:52:29,249 or whatever, he came outside and he calmed me down, 1144 00:52:29,249 --> 00:52:31,335 and he started to speak to me. 1145 00:52:31,335 --> 00:52:34,168 - After what happened, I asked him 1146 00:52:35,421 --> 00:52:39,171 if that was his brother's blood on the floor, 1147 00:52:40,337 --> 00:52:42,539 and he said, "What?" 1148 00:52:42,539 --> 00:52:46,796 I said, "Is that your brother's blood on the floor?" 1149 00:52:46,796 --> 00:52:50,128 And he said, "Yeah," I said, "That's your mother's blood 1150 00:52:50,128 --> 00:52:52,433 "and your father's blood also." 1151 00:52:52,433 --> 00:52:54,704 I said, "Can I ask you something?" 1152 00:52:54,704 --> 00:52:56,295 And he said, "Yes." 1153 00:52:56,295 --> 00:53:00,183 I said, "Imagine tomorrow waking up sober 1154 00:53:00,183 --> 00:53:03,221 "and realizing that you killed your brother. 1155 00:53:03,221 --> 00:53:05,441 "How would you feel about that?" 1156 00:53:05,441 --> 00:53:07,880 And, tears started coming down, coming from his eyes, 1157 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,850 and I knew that that was checkmate. 1158 00:53:10,850 --> 00:53:14,158 I knew that was the turning point for him. 1159 00:53:14,158 --> 00:53:16,302 (angelic music) - And he kinda basically, 1160 00:53:16,302 --> 00:53:17,666 I remember he kept in touch with me 1161 00:53:17,666 --> 00:53:20,129 and always asked me to come to the Majid, and for awhile 1162 00:53:20,129 --> 00:53:22,499 I was ignoring him, and when I first went up there, 1163 00:53:22,499 --> 00:53:23,878 I remember I went up there deep, 1164 00:53:23,878 --> 00:53:27,225 about 20 or 30 boys with me, and I went in there expecting 1165 00:53:27,225 --> 00:53:29,451 that it's just gonna be like how I roll everywhere else 1166 00:53:29,451 --> 00:53:31,719 with a posse or crew and we're just gonna hang out, 1167 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,515 but when I went there, that's when I seen 1168 00:53:33,515 --> 00:53:35,466 something different that basically inclined Mutah 1169 00:53:35,466 --> 00:53:39,293 to wanna know more about what these people was upon. 1170 00:53:39,293 --> 00:53:42,710 - And, so more and more he wanted to know 1171 00:53:45,136 --> 00:53:49,136 more about where my inner peace was coming from. 1172 00:53:50,032 --> 00:53:51,311 - He started explaining to me a little about 1173 00:53:51,311 --> 00:53:53,823 the religion of Islam and prayer time came, 1174 00:53:53,823 --> 00:53:56,617 and he said, "You should pray with us." 1175 00:53:56,617 --> 00:53:58,805 I said, "Naw, come on, man," I felt a little hesitant. 1176 00:53:58,805 --> 00:54:00,468 He was like, "Naw, come pray with me, get up." 1177 00:54:00,468 --> 00:54:02,483 I said, "Man, I don't know how to pray, I don't pray. 1178 00:54:02,483 --> 00:54:03,788 "What should I say?" 1179 00:54:03,788 --> 00:54:04,939 He said, "Just go with the motions, 1180 00:54:04,939 --> 00:54:06,717 "and you could ask God for anything. 1181 00:54:06,717 --> 00:54:09,107 "Whatever you wanna talk to God with, you can talk to God." 1182 00:54:09,107 --> 00:54:12,588 So, I remember, while I'm in the line with him, 1183 00:54:12,588 --> 00:54:14,785 everything he's doing, I'm actually looking at the side, 1184 00:54:14,785 --> 00:54:16,815 if he put his hands right here, I'd do it, 1185 00:54:16,815 --> 00:54:19,203 and I was just going with the motions with him, 1186 00:54:19,203 --> 00:54:21,621 and when I put my face down to the floor, 1187 00:54:21,621 --> 00:54:24,898 I actually started praying, and I remember, 1188 00:54:24,898 --> 00:54:27,197 for the first time in my life, I felt peace, 1189 00:54:27,197 --> 00:54:30,437 because this actually was the first time that I remember 1190 00:54:30,437 --> 00:54:33,162 putting my face on the floor praying to God. 1191 00:54:33,162 --> 00:54:35,214 That same night, when I went home, 1192 00:54:35,214 --> 00:54:37,187 I actually started reading the Quran. 1193 00:54:37,187 --> 00:54:39,438 This is a book, I always heard of the Quran, 1194 00:54:39,438 --> 00:54:42,681 I knew that this was a book that the Muslims read. 1195 00:54:42,681 --> 00:54:45,022 I just never really paid too much attention to it. 1196 00:54:45,022 --> 00:54:48,617 I never really thought about it as being something serious, 1197 00:54:48,617 --> 00:54:51,332 but that day, I said, "Let me read." 1198 00:54:51,332 --> 00:54:54,583 I started to pay attention to the words in that book, 1199 00:54:54,583 --> 00:54:56,945 and I said, "Wow, it's as if it's talking to me," 1200 00:54:56,945 --> 00:54:58,352 and I said, "There is no way on earth 1201 00:54:58,352 --> 00:55:00,310 "a man could come up with these words." 1202 00:55:00,310 --> 00:55:04,374 And, I was around people like Pac, like I said before, Pac, 1203 00:55:04,374 --> 00:55:06,651 he was a genius when it came to writing raps, 1204 00:55:06,651 --> 00:55:08,447 and I'm talkin', man, it's not too many rappers 1205 00:55:08,447 --> 00:55:10,340 that can come to the level of Pac 1206 00:55:10,340 --> 00:55:13,243 when it come to writing even poetry. 1207 00:55:13,243 --> 00:55:16,869 My own parents, as far as I know, my mother and father, 1208 00:55:16,869 --> 00:55:19,430 they was part of the Nation of Islam. 1209 00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:21,183 When I found out that the people that killed 1210 00:55:21,183 --> 00:55:23,318 my mother and father was from the Nation of Islam, 1211 00:55:23,318 --> 00:55:25,262 I actually thought that they was Muslims, 1212 00:55:25,262 --> 00:55:28,664 so I grew up having like a hatred towards Muslims 1213 00:55:28,664 --> 00:55:30,608 or hatred towards Islamic 'cause I thought that 1214 00:55:30,608 --> 00:55:33,008 these were the people that killed my mother and father. 1215 00:55:33,008 --> 00:55:36,338 - Parents were Muslims, and Muslims killed his parents. 1216 00:55:36,338 --> 00:55:40,718 So, he had every, he couldn't stand no Muslim. 1217 00:55:40,718 --> 00:55:43,558 - I said, "Let me go watch the Malcolm X movie again," 1218 00:55:43,558 --> 00:55:45,618 and when I watched it, to be honest, this is the first time 1219 00:55:45,618 --> 00:55:48,193 that I watched it sober, and I really paid attention 1220 00:55:48,193 --> 00:55:50,733 to the movie, and that's when I really, even though, 1221 00:55:50,733 --> 00:55:52,864 I always knew that he left the Nation of Islam, 1222 00:55:52,864 --> 00:55:55,136 but he actually exposed them to let 'em know 1223 00:55:55,136 --> 00:55:57,094 that his is not Islam, the Nation of Islam 1224 00:55:57,094 --> 00:55:59,416 and the religion of Islam, two different religions. 1225 00:55:59,416 --> 00:56:00,993 - After the death of Malcolm X, 1226 00:56:00,993 --> 00:56:04,748 and Malcolm X going to Saudi Arabia and exposing 1227 00:56:04,748 --> 00:56:07,661 the Nation of Islam, my father and mother, 1228 00:56:07,661 --> 00:56:09,432 they left the Nation of Islam and they became 1229 00:56:09,432 --> 00:56:12,294 Orthodox Sunni Muslims, but when I seen 1230 00:56:12,294 --> 00:56:14,653 the Malcolm X movie again, and at the same time, 1231 00:56:14,653 --> 00:56:16,949 I was reading literature of the Quran and things like that, 1232 00:56:16,949 --> 00:56:19,532 it let me know that I shouldn't hate a whole group of people 1233 00:56:19,532 --> 00:56:21,596 for what somebody did to my mother and father 1234 00:56:21,596 --> 00:56:25,660 that actually didn't even belong to that religion. 1235 00:56:25,660 --> 00:56:27,580 - Right after that, I remember saying, "Man, 1236 00:56:27,580 --> 00:56:29,555 "I need to go to Hajj, that place where Malcolm X 1237 00:56:29,555 --> 00:56:31,404 "went to a Mecca, it changed his life, 1238 00:56:31,404 --> 00:56:34,065 "I need to change my life." 1239 00:56:34,065 --> 00:56:35,799 So, I accepted the religion of Islam, 1240 00:56:35,799 --> 00:56:38,692 and a few months later, (mumbling) went to Hajj. 1241 00:56:38,692 --> 00:56:40,536 It was something that you felt that was different 1242 00:56:40,536 --> 00:56:43,052 that I never felt before, to see people from all 1243 00:56:43,052 --> 00:56:45,581 walks of life, from all different races, 1244 00:56:45,581 --> 00:56:47,679 from all different, so many different countries, 1245 00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,544 I've never witnessed nothing like that in my life, 1246 00:56:49,544 --> 00:56:51,368 to see people that you don't even know, 1247 00:56:51,368 --> 00:56:52,678 but they're calling you brother, 1248 00:56:52,678 --> 00:56:54,338 and they invite you to come eat with 'em. 1249 00:56:54,338 --> 00:56:56,009 It was almost too good to be true. 1250 00:56:56,009 --> 00:56:58,433 I didn't believe that people actually exist on this earth 1251 00:56:58,433 --> 00:57:00,894 that just, with this brotherhood. 1252 00:57:00,894 --> 00:57:03,492 I didn't believe that it existed. 1253 00:57:03,492 --> 00:57:05,661 - He went over there, and when he came back, 1254 00:57:05,661 --> 00:57:09,367 he had this story about it that was amazing, 1255 00:57:09,367 --> 00:57:12,700 and he was definitely a changed brother. 1256 00:57:13,698 --> 00:57:17,970 - When I returned back to American, man, I remember 1257 00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:20,200 everything was looking different to me. 1258 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,170 In fact, because this was actually the first time in my life 1259 00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:25,330 I spent two weeks without my cell phone, 1260 00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:27,016 two weeks without talking business, 1261 00:57:27,016 --> 00:57:29,420 two weeks in the middle of a desert just contemplating 1262 00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:31,999 and praying to God, so when I came back, of course, 1263 00:57:31,999 --> 00:57:34,982 naturally I didn't wanna be around the stuff that I left. 1264 00:57:34,982 --> 00:57:37,440 I didn't wanna, The Outlawz was on tour. 1265 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,856 I couldn't see myself onstage at that time, 1266 00:57:39,856 --> 00:57:42,447 rapping around cuss words, I couldn't see myself going back 1267 00:57:42,447 --> 00:57:45,018 to a lot of what I was trying to run away from, 1268 00:57:45,018 --> 00:57:47,474 so that's when I called The Outlawz up and I said, 1269 00:57:47,474 --> 00:57:49,836 "To be honest, I'm not gonna meet y'all on tour," 1270 00:57:49,836 --> 00:57:52,613 and that was the last time I ever toured with The Outlawz 1271 00:57:52,613 --> 00:57:55,098 or ever been in a group with 'em. 1272 00:57:55,098 --> 00:57:57,504 I just started trying to get my life together. 1273 00:57:57,504 --> 00:57:59,121 I came back as a whole nother person, man, 1274 00:57:59,121 --> 00:58:00,836 I looked at life different after that. 1275 00:58:00,836 --> 00:58:04,240 Prior to Islam, man, I was very aggressive, very angry, 1276 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,008 and it wasn't nothing for me to take my anger out 1277 00:58:07,008 --> 00:58:08,830 on an individual and hurt someone. 1278 00:58:08,830 --> 00:58:11,206 It was the first time in my life that I even read about 1279 00:58:11,206 --> 00:58:12,931 something that gave the rights to a woman, 1280 00:58:12,931 --> 00:58:15,860 and put a woman in such a high status, 1281 00:58:15,860 --> 00:58:18,010 coming from the music industry, I never looked at a woman 1282 00:58:18,010 --> 00:58:21,289 in that way in my life, and for the first time in my life, 1283 00:58:21,289 --> 00:58:25,598 I actually would think about, before I do an action, 1284 00:58:25,598 --> 00:58:28,309 or before I try to hurt someone. 1285 00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:30,785 Eventually, I walked away from the music industry, 1286 00:58:30,785 --> 00:58:32,722 but at the same time, I felt like 1287 00:58:32,722 --> 00:58:34,222 something was still missing. 1288 00:58:34,222 --> 00:58:36,600 I just felt like it wasn't for me to walk away 1289 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,458 from the music industry and actually just sit 1290 00:58:38,458 --> 00:58:40,621 in my living room, or sit in my room, and I sit, 1291 00:58:40,621 --> 00:58:43,064 I felt like I still needed to put the message out, 1292 00:58:43,064 --> 00:58:45,712 or still had a voice that I wanted to speak to the youth, 1293 00:58:45,712 --> 00:58:47,155 and that's when I decided to get on 1294 00:58:47,155 --> 00:58:49,787 and get into motivational speaking. 1295 00:58:49,787 --> 00:58:53,550 As-salamu alaykum. - Wa-Alaikum-Salaam. 1296 00:58:53,550 --> 00:58:55,448 - That's when I lost contact with Yafeu, 1297 00:58:55,448 --> 00:58:57,232 and I happened to run into his mother, 1298 00:58:57,232 --> 00:58:59,213 and when I asked how he was doing, she said that 1299 00:58:59,213 --> 00:59:01,873 Yafeu was trying to pursue a career in the music industry, 1300 00:59:01,873 --> 00:59:03,522 and she said that, in fact, he has a brother 1301 00:59:03,522 --> 00:59:05,289 by the name of Tupac Shakur. 1302 00:59:05,289 --> 00:59:06,588 Because I felt like one of the reasons 1303 00:59:06,588 --> 00:59:08,302 I actually got into the music industry 1304 00:59:08,302 --> 00:59:09,911 because I had a voice, I had something 1305 00:59:09,911 --> 00:59:12,946 that I wanted to speak, but you don't have to be caught up 1306 00:59:12,946 --> 00:59:14,879 in that lifestyle thinking that this is the only way 1307 00:59:14,879 --> 00:59:17,172 that's gonna bring happiness to you, so I felt like 1308 00:59:17,172 --> 00:59:20,290 I had to come back to the kids and let 'em know that 1309 00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:23,851 there's a better way. - I think that it's great 1310 00:59:23,851 --> 00:59:26,420 that Napoleon is a motivational speaker 1311 00:59:26,420 --> 00:59:30,420 because he's speaking from a real point-of-view. 1312 00:59:31,522 --> 00:59:33,750 - Well, when I looked at him, he definitely inspired me 1313 00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:36,518 to wanna give back to the youth 1314 00:59:36,518 --> 00:59:38,391 and give back to the community. 1315 00:59:38,391 --> 00:59:41,026 - No matter what you goin' through in life, 1316 00:59:41,026 --> 00:59:44,280 you can change, 'causes he's living proof of it. 1317 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,421 - He's a strong brother, he's making the big impact 1318 00:59:47,421 --> 00:59:49,757 on a lot of people, Muslim and non-Muslim, 1319 00:59:49,757 --> 00:59:52,731 and personally, I'm striving to be more like him. 1320 00:59:52,731 --> 00:59:54,364 - He's doing, he's a motivational speaker now, 1321 00:59:54,364 --> 00:59:56,899 he's all over the world, so he's trying. 1322 00:59:56,899 --> 00:59:59,386 I think he's really, it can be a good thing. 1323 00:59:59,386 --> 01:00:01,157 - 'Cause the dude did a straight 180 1324 01:00:01,157 --> 01:00:04,328 and turned his whole life around, and I seen it can work. 1325 01:00:04,328 --> 01:00:07,365 I seen it can happen, you could definitely do it. 1326 01:00:07,365 --> 01:00:10,499 - Overall man, my brother, he's a different person now, man, 1327 01:00:10,499 --> 01:00:12,453 he helping others, he helping people now. 1328 01:00:12,453 --> 01:00:14,938 - I basically gave up on life, and I used to say, man, 1329 01:00:14,938 --> 01:00:16,694 if me living and breathing on earth 1330 01:00:16,694 --> 01:00:18,784 and it's this painful for me, there is no need 1331 01:00:18,784 --> 01:00:21,392 for me to live anymore, and I actually used to just wanna 1332 01:00:21,392 --> 01:00:24,703 give up on life, but after accepting the religion of Islam, 1333 01:00:24,703 --> 01:00:28,111 it basically gave me a whole new meaning of life, 1334 01:00:28,111 --> 01:00:29,745 so for the first time in my life, 1335 01:00:29,745 --> 01:00:31,962 I had some hope for something positive. 1336 01:00:31,962 --> 01:00:34,962 (slow choir music)