WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:00.336 --> 00:00:03.586 (camera reel whirring) 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08.089 --> 00:00:11.422 (slow orchestral music) 5 00:00:19.706 --> 00:00:24.706 (choir singing) (explosion booming) 6 00:00:39.898 --> 00:00:41.438 ♪ The life of an outlaw ♪ 7 00:00:41.438 --> 00:00:43.605 ♪ The life we live ain't for everybody ♪ 8 00:00:43.605 --> 00:00:46.554 ♪ In the inner city swimming with the dead bodies ♪ 9 00:00:46.554 --> 00:00:49.446 ♪ A few life jackets can't save everybody ♪ 10 00:00:49.446 --> 00:00:52.291 ♪ Runnin' with young thugs that'll spray everybody ♪ 11 00:00:52.291 --> 00:00:55.116 ♪ I need some guidance, the hood is my background ♪ 12 00:00:55.116 --> 00:00:57.909 ♪ I'm from the city where they can't put the crack down ♪ 13 00:00:57.909 --> 00:01:00.732 ♪ I'm feeling pity 'cause the city put the smack down ♪ 14 00:01:00.732 --> 00:01:03.662 ♪ I need some guidance, the walls closing in on me ♪ 15 00:01:03.662 --> 00:01:06.549 ♪ I'm trying to find it, it seems like it's runnin' from me ♪ 16 00:01:06.549 --> 00:01:09.386 ♪ Until I came across a book with no crookedness ♪ 17 00:01:09.386 --> 00:01:12.219 ♪ It had a message addressing the wickedness ♪ 18 00:01:12.219 --> 00:01:15.296 ♪ Life of an outlaw ♪ 19 00:01:15.296 --> 00:01:19.608 ♪ Outlaw, outlaw, outlaw ♪ 20 00:01:19.608 --> 00:01:21.967 ♪ The life we live ain't for everybody ♪ 21 00:01:21.967 --> 00:01:26.967 (explosion booming) (female laughing) 22 00:01:28.203 --> 00:01:29.976 I was three years old when my mother and father 23 00:01:29.976 --> 00:01:32.304 got murdered. (camera reel whirring) 24 00:01:32.304 --> 00:01:34.887 My father was African American. 25 00:01:37.373 --> 00:01:39.777 My mother was Puerto Rican and Cuban. 26 00:01:39.777 --> 00:01:41.301 He bought homes for his mother. 27 00:01:41.301 --> 00:01:43.044 Successful businessman. 28 00:01:43.044 --> 00:01:46.425 (gunshots firing) (baby crying) 29 00:01:46.425 --> 00:01:49.092 (heart beating) 30 00:01:54.934 --> 00:01:56.773 - When my parents got killed, 31 00:01:56.773 --> 00:01:58.328 it's some incidents that happened 32 00:01:58.328 --> 00:02:00.690 during the murdering of my parents that I remember. 33 00:02:00.690 --> 00:02:02.932 My oldest brother, he remember more than all of us. 34 00:02:02.932 --> 00:02:05.430 - 'Cause I still remember that day as a clear memory 35 00:02:05.430 --> 00:02:07.429 in my head, I'll never forget that day. 36 00:02:07.429 --> 00:02:11.650 I was four years old, Mutah my brother, he was three, 37 00:02:11.650 --> 00:02:16.317 and my youngest brother Kamil, he was four months, yeah. 38 00:02:17.952 --> 00:02:19.729 At first, I seen my father get murdered 39 00:02:19.729 --> 00:02:22.369 while talking on the telephone laying on the ground. 40 00:02:22.369 --> 00:02:24.837 He was on the phone, he wasn't paying his friends, 41 00:02:24.837 --> 00:02:26.664 or the guys that was so-called his friends, 42 00:02:26.664 --> 00:02:28.284 he wasn't paying them no mind. 43 00:02:28.284 --> 00:02:30.685 He let 'em in, said, "How you doing?" 44 00:02:30.685 --> 00:02:33.417 Once he let 'em in, he just got back on the phone, 45 00:02:33.417 --> 00:02:36.225 laid on the floor, and when I seen the guy, 46 00:02:36.225 --> 00:02:38.896 I ran up to one of the guys and jumped in his arms 47 00:02:38.896 --> 00:02:40.462 because I remember when I was small, 48 00:02:40.462 --> 00:02:43.275 he was the guy who used to pick me up when he seen me. 49 00:02:43.275 --> 00:02:45.896 And my brother, I believe my brother ran to the other guy 50 00:02:45.896 --> 00:02:50.393 and put his arms out like that for the guy to pick him up. 51 00:02:50.393 --> 00:02:53.970 - I remember one of the guys who entered to the house, 52 00:02:53.970 --> 00:02:55.951 he was actually my so-called godfather. 53 00:02:55.951 --> 00:02:57.560 I remember sitting on his lap, 54 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.655 and I remember that he pushed me off his lap, 55 00:02:59.655 --> 00:03:02.531 and I remember that this was a violent push. 56 00:03:02.531 --> 00:03:03.935 Growing up, every time I think back 57 00:03:03.935 --> 00:03:05.337 about how he pushed me off, 58 00:03:05.337 --> 00:03:08.726 as a kid it felt like it was violent. 59 00:03:08.726 --> 00:03:11.913 When he pushed me off, I just heard gunshots, 60 00:03:11.913 --> 00:03:14.764 (gunshots firing) and I'm okay back then, 61 00:03:14.764 --> 00:03:16.173 so I'm just standing around, at first I didn't know 62 00:03:16.173 --> 00:03:18.542 where it was coming from until I seen the guns. 63 00:03:18.542 --> 00:03:20.161 I seen my father, his chest was bleeding, 64 00:03:20.161 --> 00:03:21.798 and he was just laying on the ground, 65 00:03:21.798 --> 00:03:23.659 and I heard my mom scream. 66 00:03:23.659 --> 00:03:26.311 Once my mother started screaming, she, 67 00:03:26.311 --> 00:03:28.519 she grabbed my brother, he was the first thing she saw, 68 00:03:28.519 --> 00:03:30.424 so she grabbed him and was running to, 69 00:03:30.424 --> 00:03:32.379 we had a big house then, grabbed him 70 00:03:32.379 --> 00:03:34.741 and was running to the back room, 71 00:03:34.741 --> 00:03:37.969 and I remember one of the guys, when she slammed the door, 72 00:03:37.969 --> 00:03:40.214 kicked the door in to the back room, 73 00:03:40.214 --> 00:03:43.756 and my mother was, she couldn't go nowhere. 74 00:03:43.756 --> 00:03:47.084 Her back was against the wall, and so he killed my mother 75 00:03:47.084 --> 00:03:49.594 while she has her back against the wall. 76 00:03:49.594 --> 00:03:51.372 - After they murdered my parents, 77 00:03:51.372 --> 00:03:52.847 me and my brothers, we was in the house 78 00:03:52.847 --> 00:03:56.789 with the dead bodies for 24 hours, and I remember, as a kid, 79 00:03:56.789 --> 00:04:01.541 that I was biting my mother trying to wake her up. 80 00:04:01.541 --> 00:04:03.028 - Laying there trying to wake our parents up, 81 00:04:03.028 --> 00:04:06.709 and they wouldn't wake up, and we just fell asleep, 82 00:04:06.709 --> 00:04:08.629 and the next morning, the guy my father 83 00:04:08.629 --> 00:04:10.789 was on the phone with, he kept calling the house, 84 00:04:10.789 --> 00:04:13.435 it kept being busy, so he just came over there 85 00:04:13.435 --> 00:04:16.185 and that's when he discovered us. 86 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.059 - I headed back, I was headed to Snoop's house. 87 00:04:20.059 --> 00:04:22.734 Yes, both went out and took care of some business, 88 00:04:22.734 --> 00:04:26.580 and as I was at the door, his cousin was driving up. 89 00:04:26.580 --> 00:04:28.823 His cousin was Hakim. 90 00:04:28.823 --> 00:04:30.442 As we opened the door, 91 00:04:30.442 --> 00:04:34.113 Snoop was looking at me up on the floor. 92 00:04:34.113 --> 00:04:37.946 Seemed like he had a bullet hole in his chest. 93 00:04:39.010 --> 00:04:42.010 - Pops, hey, I said pops was 8 a.m., 94 00:04:43.146 --> 00:04:45.760 that morning I received a call from my niece 95 00:04:45.760 --> 00:04:48.010 saying my brother got shot. 96 00:04:48.994 --> 00:04:51.617 Soon as he pushed this door, 97 00:04:51.617 --> 00:04:55.073 my brother was laying right there. 98 00:04:55.073 --> 00:04:59.406 Upon going to his bedroom, I saw my brother's friend 99 00:05:00.652 --> 00:05:03.634 at the dining room table, slumped over. 100 00:05:03.634 --> 00:05:07.262 Then, I find his wife curled up here on the floor. 101 00:05:07.262 --> 00:05:10.792 Now that I checked the other bedroom on the first floor, 102 00:05:10.792 --> 00:05:12.265 his three children were there, 103 00:05:12.265 --> 00:05:16.090 and one was laying on the bed crying, Johnny's son. 104 00:05:16.090 --> 00:05:20.361 As I picked him up, his other two sons woke up. 105 00:05:20.361 --> 00:05:23.194 (mumbling) Mutah. 106 00:05:25.725 --> 00:05:29.842 - And, the community was in uproar because we was on edges. 107 00:05:29.842 --> 00:05:33.332 We was, basically, we was in hiding 108 00:05:33.332 --> 00:05:37.257 because we didn't know where were they, 109 00:05:37.257 --> 00:05:40.288 or were they coming back, or were they coming for us? 110 00:05:40.288 --> 00:05:43.455 We had no idea what the situation was. 111 00:05:45.851 --> 00:05:50.851 - The children, at an early age, a lot of Snoop's friends 112 00:05:50.887 --> 00:05:54.491 coming to the house, they knew everybody came there, 113 00:05:54.491 --> 00:05:58.908 and so they were able to identify one of the shooters 114 00:06:00.013 --> 00:06:03.013 that killed their mother and father. 115 00:06:03.874 --> 00:06:08.624 - In all the time, it was my brother's so-called friends. 116 00:06:10.475 --> 00:06:15.266 - They were very close, I mean, they worked together. 117 00:06:15.266 --> 00:06:19.183 They went out together, went on trips together. 118 00:06:20.675 --> 00:06:24.003 - Hey, matter fact, they came up all through the boys club, 119 00:06:24.003 --> 00:06:27.996 west side, I mean, as far as 14, 15 years old. 120 00:06:27.996 --> 00:06:30.079 They came up together. 121 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.058 These guys used to just literally, actually eat 122 00:06:32.058 --> 00:06:36.558 at my mother's table, and my mother actually fed them. 123 00:06:37.541 --> 00:06:40.488 They have slept in my mother's home, 124 00:06:40.488 --> 00:06:41.821 and to see that, 125 00:06:47.782 --> 00:06:50.615 it was uncalled for, first of all. 126 00:06:51.836 --> 00:06:54.503 What it was behind, unknown, so. 127 00:06:57.967 --> 00:06:59.817 - Basically, my father, he was into, 128 00:06:59.817 --> 00:07:02.935 he was a diamond dealer, he used to sell diamonds, 129 00:07:02.935 --> 00:07:05.638 and at his age at this time, my father was around 130 00:07:05.638 --> 00:07:07.960 28 years old, he had a lot of money, 131 00:07:07.960 --> 00:07:10.779 he owned a lot of properties within New Jersey, 132 00:07:10.779 --> 00:07:12.601 he was able to purchase houses for my grandmother, 133 00:07:12.601 --> 00:07:15.208 my grandfather, he was driving out pink Cadillacs, 134 00:07:15.208 --> 00:07:17.220 renting Sevilles when they first came out, 135 00:07:17.220 --> 00:07:19.690 so he had a lot of attention and a flashy lifestyle, 136 00:07:19.690 --> 00:07:22.483 which this lifestyle sometimes brings envy, 137 00:07:22.483 --> 00:07:24.858 animosity, et cetera, so one of the guys 138 00:07:24.858 --> 00:07:26.370 who was very close to my father 139 00:07:26.370 --> 00:07:28.910 who was actually one of the guys who, like we said, 140 00:07:28.910 --> 00:07:30.919 back in the day, was my godfather. 141 00:07:30.919 --> 00:07:34.656 He had been to, one day, he owed my father some money, 142 00:07:34.656 --> 00:07:37.993 and he decided to, basically, instead of paying my father 143 00:07:37.993 --> 00:07:40.920 the money, he decided to pay some people a less amount 144 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:43.629 of money to put a hit out on my mother and father. 145 00:07:43.629 --> 00:07:47.379 - So what happened, you had a driver outside, 146 00:07:48.449 --> 00:07:52.442 and two shooters inside, and the other two 147 00:07:52.442 --> 00:07:56.237 was sitting back in the cut waiting for the phone call 148 00:07:56.237 --> 00:08:00.268 when the hit was done, so it was, in all actuality, 149 00:08:00.268 --> 00:08:03.772 it was five, but it was three that came to this house. 150 00:08:03.772 --> 00:08:06.902 - Everyone in the city, in the surrounding area 151 00:08:06.902 --> 00:08:10.636 was aware of the aftermath of the murder. 152 00:08:10.636 --> 00:08:13.717 Was there going to be a second killing? 153 00:08:13.717 --> 00:08:16.578 Was there going to be a return of these killers 154 00:08:16.578 --> 00:08:20.078 to come back to try and kill the children? 155 00:08:23.536 --> 00:08:26.199 - It was tense, the people was threatening, 156 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:28.162 if they catch my brother they're gonna kill him. 157 00:08:28.162 --> 00:08:30.260 They was trying to intimidate our family. 158 00:08:30.260 --> 00:08:33.094 I remember one incident, I was on the porch. 159 00:08:33.094 --> 00:08:36.539 Me, my aunt, and a few other, my brothers and my cousins, 160 00:08:36.539 --> 00:08:38.483 we was on the porch and some of the people 161 00:08:38.483 --> 00:08:40.288 that was affiliated with the people that killed 162 00:08:40.288 --> 00:08:42.072 my mother and father, they rolled up on the block 163 00:08:42.072 --> 00:08:44.252 at my grandmother's house, and when they got in front 164 00:08:44.252 --> 00:08:45.556 of our house, they tried to slow down, 165 00:08:45.556 --> 00:08:47.317 they tried to stare at us, intimidate us, 166 00:08:47.317 --> 00:08:49.247 and I remember my aunt, she grabbed us 167 00:08:49.247 --> 00:08:50.973 and made us run in the house, she was afraid, 168 00:08:50.973 --> 00:08:53.475 so she said, "Come on, run in the house." 169 00:08:53.475 --> 00:08:56.364 And, my brother Moonie, he was, we never had a discussion 170 00:08:56.364 --> 00:08:57.916 about the death of my mother and father. 171 00:08:57.916 --> 00:09:00.590 We never spoke about it with each other. 172 00:09:00.590 --> 00:09:01.843 It's more hard for him because 173 00:09:01.843 --> 00:09:04.154 he remembered the most out of all of us. 174 00:09:04.154 --> 00:09:07.693 He even had to go to the courthouse and point everybody out. 175 00:09:07.693 --> 00:09:11.026 - One question, did you see anybody here 176 00:09:12.426 --> 00:09:14.426 who killed your parents? 177 00:09:15.546 --> 00:09:17.572 And he pointed, he said, "That's who killed 178 00:09:17.572 --> 00:09:21.201 "my mommy and daddy," and they took him off the stand. 179 00:09:21.201 --> 00:09:23.364 That's that one question, they pointed, 180 00:09:23.364 --> 00:09:27.114 said, "That's who killed my mommy and daddy." 181 00:09:28.168 --> 00:09:32.220 - The people that got convicted, they're in prison. 182 00:09:32.220 --> 00:09:34.570 The main ones that have life in prison, 183 00:09:34.570 --> 00:09:36.769 I heard a few of them came home, but the one 184 00:09:36.769 --> 00:09:41.144 who was the main shooter and got the most charges 185 00:09:41.144 --> 00:09:43.103 put against him, he got life in prison. 186 00:09:43.103 --> 00:09:48.103 (prison bars slamming) (angelic music) 187 00:09:52.021 --> 00:09:54.018 So, from after the death of my mother and father, 188 00:09:54.018 --> 00:09:57.290 me and my brothers, we went to move with my grandparents, 189 00:09:57.290 --> 00:09:59.436 the parents of my father, and this was 190 00:09:59.436 --> 00:10:01.456 a very packed household 'cause my grandmother was 191 00:10:01.456 --> 00:10:03.918 one of them ladies that she don't say no to no one, 192 00:10:03.918 --> 00:10:05.645 so we had other relatives in the house, 193 00:10:05.645 --> 00:10:10.420 aunties, uncles, cousins, it was a very packed house, 194 00:10:10.420 --> 00:10:12.265 and she was a strong woman who basically, 195 00:10:12.265 --> 00:10:14.965 she was the foundation of our household at this time. 196 00:10:14.965 --> 00:10:17.046 My grandfather, he worked at nights, 197 00:10:17.046 --> 00:10:19.632 so he slept during the day, so the one who was 198 00:10:19.632 --> 00:10:21.653 in control of the house was actually my grandmother. 199 00:10:21.653 --> 00:10:23.503 She was the one that was taking care of us, 200 00:10:23.503 --> 00:10:25.009 she's the one that was putting the rules down, 201 00:10:25.009 --> 00:10:28.343 she was basically the head of the household at this time. 202 00:10:28.343 --> 00:10:31.901 She basically was the glue that kept my family together. 203 00:10:31.901 --> 00:10:36.365 Growing up, since I can remember, Mu, he was a normal child. 204 00:10:36.365 --> 00:10:40.055 He did okay in school when he felt like it. 205 00:10:40.055 --> 00:10:41.453 We didn't take school serious. 206 00:10:41.453 --> 00:10:43.713 Soon as school was over, we hung on the block. 207 00:10:43.713 --> 00:10:46.353 We went to Chess Ave, which was our neighborhood 208 00:10:46.353 --> 00:10:48.748 which was our block, and we just hung on the block. 209 00:10:48.748 --> 00:10:51.449 My brothers and my cousins, they were selling drugs, 210 00:10:51.449 --> 00:10:54.124 and me and my younger cousins and younger brother, 211 00:10:54.124 --> 00:10:55.968 we would just be out there with the drug dealers. 212 00:10:55.968 --> 00:10:57.713 That's how we spent our days. 213 00:10:57.713 --> 00:11:00.982 I thought this was normal because, since a very young age, 214 00:11:00.982 --> 00:11:03.165 that's all I seen, so I thought that 215 00:11:03.165 --> 00:11:05.742 this was the normal life, man, that you grow, you come up, 216 00:11:05.742 --> 00:11:07.608 this is a quick way to make some money, 217 00:11:07.608 --> 00:11:09.514 and it was only two sides. 218 00:11:09.514 --> 00:11:10.883 To me, the only two sides of life was 219 00:11:10.883 --> 00:11:13.385 either you're a crackhead or you're a drug dealer, 220 00:11:13.385 --> 00:11:15.059 and it was one of them things growing up, 221 00:11:15.059 --> 00:11:16.924 I used to have to say which side that I'ma be on. 222 00:11:16.924 --> 00:11:20.607 It's almost, you gotta pick what side you wanna be on, 223 00:11:20.607 --> 00:11:23.873 so we grew up, when you see the condition of the crackheads, 224 00:11:23.873 --> 00:11:25.814 you grew up in fear of crackheads. 225 00:11:25.814 --> 00:11:27.392 You don't wanna (chuckling) be like a crackhead. 226 00:11:27.392 --> 00:11:29.291 Then you see the condition of people selling drugs 227 00:11:29.291 --> 00:11:32.624 and that life, this is what you want for yourself. 228 00:11:32.624 --> 00:11:34.452 A few times, I tried to get myself, 229 00:11:34.452 --> 00:11:37.243 I got involved with selling drugs 'cause I recall 230 00:11:37.243 --> 00:11:40.255 one of the first times I ever sold drugs, I got arrested. 231 00:11:40.255 --> 00:11:43.670 I remember, at a young age, I went to an older cat 232 00:11:43.670 --> 00:11:45.209 from my neighborhood, and I convinced him 233 00:11:45.209 --> 00:11:47.770 to let me get some drugs, and I convinced him 234 00:11:47.770 --> 00:11:49.379 that I'll be able to sell drugs for him. 235 00:11:49.379 --> 00:11:51.977 He gave me some drugs, I went outside on the block, 236 00:11:51.977 --> 00:11:54.353 first day that I tried to hustle and sell the drugs, 237 00:11:54.353 --> 00:11:55.998 the police rode up on me. 238 00:11:55.998 --> 00:11:58.928 I remember I ran in the store and I threw the drugs 239 00:11:58.928 --> 00:12:01.793 into the refrigerator, came out, I was arrogant 240 00:12:01.793 --> 00:12:04.476 because I thought I'd just outsmart the police. 241 00:12:04.476 --> 00:12:06.218 Pushed me against the wall, they checked me, 242 00:12:06.218 --> 00:12:07.961 next thing I knew, they pulled a crack vial 243 00:12:07.961 --> 00:12:09.804 out of my pocket, called my grandmother, 244 00:12:09.804 --> 00:12:12.143 I got into some trouble, but from that day then, 245 00:12:12.143 --> 00:12:14.057 I said I need to try to find another way 246 00:12:14.057 --> 00:12:15.717 to make it up out of the hood. 247 00:12:15.717 --> 00:12:18.244 I started to write poetry and write raps, 248 00:12:18.244 --> 00:12:21.009 and what inspired me is that I felt like I needed 249 00:12:21.009 --> 00:12:24.062 to express myself, I needed to figure a way to get 250 00:12:24.062 --> 00:12:27.256 what was inside of my chest to release it up out of me, man, 251 00:12:27.256 --> 00:12:29.080 and that's when I turned to writing raps. 252 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:30.973 My neighborhood was one of them neighborhoods, 253 00:12:30.973 --> 00:12:32.631 for a youngster, it was a lot to take in, 254 00:12:32.631 --> 00:12:34.361 so the way I was able to express myself 255 00:12:34.361 --> 00:12:36.482 was to go into my room, what I would see outside 256 00:12:36.482 --> 00:12:38.664 on my block, I would make a song out of it. 257 00:12:38.664 --> 00:12:40.392 Then, I would go back outside and rap it 258 00:12:40.392 --> 00:12:42.314 for the drug dealers and they would pay me money, 259 00:12:42.314 --> 00:12:44.005 and that's when I said, "Well, this is gonna be my hustle 260 00:12:44.005 --> 00:12:47.344 "that I'ma stick with for the rest of my life." 261 00:12:47.344 --> 00:12:50.777 - So, I lived down the street from Mutah. 262 00:12:50.777 --> 00:12:53.477 So, Mu, high school, we used to see him walking. 263 00:12:53.477 --> 00:12:56.314 He always had a notebook in his hand, rapping. 264 00:12:56.314 --> 00:12:57.380 I'm like, "Mu, what you doing?" 265 00:12:57.380 --> 00:12:58.647 He was like, "Yo, I'm rappin', man. 266 00:12:58.647 --> 00:13:01.523 "I'm tryin' to make it happen, I'm rappin', you know." 267 00:13:01.523 --> 00:13:03.320 He would show me his books, be like, "Yo, spit a rhyme." 268 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.505 We'd give him a dollar, two, $5, he'd spit a rhyme for us, 269 00:13:06.505 --> 00:13:09.108 we'd come, then we got closer, I met his grandparents. 270 00:13:09.108 --> 00:13:11.956 His grandparents used to live here, too, all his family, 271 00:13:11.956 --> 00:13:14.562 so we start hangin', Mu was like, "You serious? 272 00:13:14.562 --> 00:13:16.128 "We're straight hustlers from the street, 273 00:13:16.128 --> 00:13:19.844 "we need a better day, we're trying to find a better way," 274 00:13:19.844 --> 00:13:22.452 so we found Mu, we ran into Mu. 275 00:13:22.452 --> 00:13:24.433 Mu was like, "Yeah, I really wanna do this man, 276 00:13:24.433 --> 00:13:26.400 "I'm tryin' to do this, I'm tryin' to make it happen." 277 00:13:26.400 --> 00:13:27.457 So, we just, "All right." 278 00:13:27.457 --> 00:13:29.018 Me and my man Shalla B. - Too, and what tellin' 279 00:13:29.018 --> 00:13:31.016 what I was into, so that's when he said, 280 00:13:31.016 --> 00:13:34.048 "Yo, listen, I'm trying to rap. 281 00:13:34.048 --> 00:13:36.725 "Let's go to the studio together. 282 00:13:36.725 --> 00:13:39.670 "We can do some rapping together, whatever, man, 283 00:13:39.670 --> 00:13:41.953 "you can be the manager or something like that," 284 00:13:41.953 --> 00:13:44.815 and I'm trying to stop being in the streets, 285 00:13:44.815 --> 00:13:48.108 so I said let me take my money and put it towards something 286 00:13:48.108 --> 00:13:50.306 that can get me from one level to another, so. 287 00:13:50.306 --> 00:13:53.847 - Corey, which is C and Sharla B, they got real involved, 288 00:13:53.847 --> 00:13:56.257 they got heavy, real involved with my career 289 00:13:56.257 --> 00:13:59.031 starting off as a musician to the point that 290 00:13:59.031 --> 00:14:01.041 they was sending me in the recording studio, 291 00:14:01.041 --> 00:14:03.514 where they was paying for my studio time, 292 00:14:03.514 --> 00:14:06.040 they was buying me clothes, they was taking care of me, 293 00:14:06.040 --> 00:14:10.714 you know what I mean, and they was the first ones to help me 294 00:14:10.714 --> 00:14:13.378 pursue my career in the music industry. 295 00:14:13.378 --> 00:14:15.408 - And we start putting Mu in the studio 296 00:14:15.408 --> 00:14:16.892 so Mu coming up with rhymes. 297 00:14:16.892 --> 00:14:19.604 Every rhyme he wrote, it's like, it's about murder. 298 00:14:19.604 --> 00:14:21.607 Murder, murder this, I remember the hook, 299 00:14:21.607 --> 00:14:23.951 "The money got me feelin' like a star. 300 00:14:23.951 --> 00:14:26.420 "Murder got me feelin' like my death ain't far. 301 00:14:26.420 --> 00:14:28.663 "When they come, they gon' murder." 302 00:14:28.663 --> 00:14:30.661 - This is, man, I was 13, 14 years old, 303 00:14:30.661 --> 00:14:32.763 so I was doing raps, man, that the people on the street 304 00:14:32.763 --> 00:14:35.339 was relating to, man, it was talking about drug dealing. 305 00:14:35.339 --> 00:14:38.167 At this time, New Jersey, especially north, 306 00:14:38.167 --> 00:14:39.380 they was known for stolen cars. 307 00:14:39.380 --> 00:14:41.245 It was stolen car capital of the world, 308 00:14:41.245 --> 00:14:43.223 so I was doing songs about people stealing cars 309 00:14:43.223 --> 00:14:45.227 and stuff like that-- - Then his uncles 310 00:14:45.227 --> 00:14:47.384 gave us the story, then his grandparents gave us the story, 311 00:14:47.384 --> 00:14:49.800 we got cool with Miss Bill, and we was like, "Wow," 312 00:14:49.800 --> 00:14:51.869 so we embraced him like a big brother. 313 00:14:51.869 --> 00:14:55.703 His family, he had family, but you could tell in his eyes, 314 00:14:55.703 --> 00:14:58.363 his brother's eyes, like damn, they missing their parents, 315 00:14:58.363 --> 00:15:00.261 like lonely, his grandparents was here for him, 316 00:15:00.261 --> 00:15:03.138 but it was like, he was still lonely, you know what I mean? 317 00:15:03.138 --> 00:15:06.349 So he was like, his dream was to become a rapper. 318 00:15:06.349 --> 00:15:09.563 - He was trying to do every avenue to try and get somewhere. 319 00:15:09.563 --> 00:15:10.818 He really was with Corey. 320 00:15:10.818 --> 00:15:13.638 Corey was really being with him, running around 321 00:15:13.638 --> 00:15:16.579 with Queen Latifah, with Naughty by Nature, 322 00:15:16.579 --> 00:15:17.966 now they used to go to East Thorns 323 00:15:17.966 --> 00:15:19.702 and be over there with them. 324 00:15:19.702 --> 00:15:23.111 - Queen Latifah, she was a friend of my family, 325 00:15:23.111 --> 00:15:25.563 and I remember the first time that I heard her on the radio 326 00:15:25.563 --> 00:15:28.516 and seen her on television, it made me inspired, 327 00:15:28.516 --> 00:15:30.971 it made me feel like even more that I can make it 328 00:15:30.971 --> 00:15:33.643 because she made it, because she was a woman that 329 00:15:33.643 --> 00:15:35.794 we used to see walking in the hood with us. 330 00:15:35.794 --> 00:15:37.630 She used to come visit my grandmother, 331 00:15:37.630 --> 00:15:40.045 come visit my aunts, so when I actually seen her 332 00:15:40.045 --> 00:15:43.501 on television and heard on the radio, I used to tell myself, 333 00:15:43.501 --> 00:15:46.255 man if she made it, she's from the hood, I can make it. 334 00:15:46.255 --> 00:15:47.845 - So, we'd be like, "We gon' make this happen. 335 00:15:47.845 --> 00:15:49.345 "We gon' do this," whoop whoop whoop, 336 00:15:49.345 --> 00:15:50.428 "we gon' make this happen." 337 00:15:50.428 --> 00:15:53.033 Studio here, we met this kid's named Jamil. 338 00:15:53.033 --> 00:15:55.219 We started working with him immediately, 339 00:15:55.219 --> 00:15:58.085 taking him to the studio, help teaching him how to do 340 00:15:58.085 --> 00:16:01.581 16 bar verses 'cause Mu just was rapping. 341 00:16:01.581 --> 00:16:04.031 He'd just go on and on and on for like, forever, 342 00:16:04.031 --> 00:16:07.376 he didn't know bars, so we worked with him with songs 343 00:16:07.376 --> 00:16:10.376 and things like that, and from then, 344 00:16:11.638 --> 00:16:15.271 once he started doing songs, every time he would go home 345 00:16:15.271 --> 00:16:17.340 and write, he'd just come back, call me up, 346 00:16:17.340 --> 00:16:20.280 I'd take him under my wing, take him around either Corey 347 00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:22.502 or drop him off at my house and Mu would spend 348 00:16:22.502 --> 00:16:26.043 a day with me and my counterparts. 349 00:16:26.043 --> 00:16:27.643 - My whole life was based around music 350 00:16:27.643 --> 00:16:30.609 and I started to do performances at high school, 351 00:16:30.609 --> 00:16:33.948 block parties, I used to be on the block rapping with about 352 00:16:33.948 --> 00:16:36.673 100 drug dealers around me, I'm in the circle rapping, 353 00:16:36.673 --> 00:16:38.208 I started to battle other rappers, 354 00:16:38.208 --> 00:16:40.645 I started to get a name for myself on the street, 355 00:16:40.645 --> 00:16:44.645 and one of the things that led up to me getting serious 356 00:16:44.645 --> 00:16:47.197 and getting professional in the music industry 357 00:16:47.197 --> 00:16:48.868 was my childhood friend of mines 358 00:16:48.868 --> 00:16:52.452 by the name of Yafeu Kadafi. (angelic music) 359 00:16:52.452 --> 00:16:55.934 - Here come Yak, not knowing Yak and Mu 360 00:16:55.934 --> 00:16:59.836 actually grew up together but fell apart as their parents 361 00:16:59.836 --> 00:17:02.460 moved from different areas. - His mother was good friends 362 00:17:02.460 --> 00:17:04.957 with our cousin, an older cousin of mines, 363 00:17:04.957 --> 00:17:07.385 like an auntie or the cousin of mines on my family, 364 00:17:07.385 --> 00:17:12.291 so when she came by over to my relatives house at one time, 365 00:17:12.291 --> 00:17:15.246 she noticed that she had a son and me and Kadafi birthday 366 00:17:15.246 --> 00:17:17.745 was about two days apart, so we was the same age, 367 00:17:17.745 --> 00:17:19.782 so she would pick me up, sometimes take me 368 00:17:19.782 --> 00:17:22.129 to this neighborhood, and I would hang out with him, 369 00:17:22.129 --> 00:17:25.313 but when years would pass, I lost contact with Yafeu 370 00:17:25.313 --> 00:17:26.817 and I happened to run into his mother, 371 00:17:26.817 --> 00:17:28.823 and she told me he was actually trying to pursue 372 00:17:28.823 --> 00:17:30.258 a career in the music industry, 373 00:17:30.258 --> 00:17:32.784 and that his brother's Tupac Shakur. 374 00:17:32.784 --> 00:17:37.784 - Tupak Shakur, boom, (laughing) right there, what Pac? 375 00:17:38.504 --> 00:17:40.016 Yo, we see him in the news all the time, 376 00:17:40.016 --> 00:17:42.468 he runnin' around, he actin' crazy, sellng records, 377 00:17:42.468 --> 00:17:44.365 he doing it all. - Of course, at this time, 378 00:17:44.365 --> 00:17:46.795 Pac was known, especially in the hoods. 379 00:17:46.795 --> 00:17:49.588 He put a few records out, and she said, "Matter of fact, 380 00:17:49.588 --> 00:17:53.383 "Kadafi, Yafeu, and Tupac is on they way to New York City. 381 00:17:53.383 --> 00:17:55.796 "If you serious about getting into the music industry, 382 00:17:55.796 --> 00:17:58.703 "you should go up to him and talk to him yourself." 383 00:17:58.703 --> 00:18:01.370 - So me and Mu went to New York. 384 00:18:02.671 --> 00:18:04.777 Went to the hotel, Pac came down, 385 00:18:04.777 --> 00:18:06.220 after he took like an hour and a half, 386 00:18:06.220 --> 00:18:08.477 you know how the celebrities do, (laughing) 387 00:18:08.477 --> 00:18:11.347 but he still came down, we went in a room. 388 00:18:11.347 --> 00:18:14.181 - And, I walked in the hotel room, I remember saying, 389 00:18:14.181 --> 00:18:16.884 "Kadafi Yafeu, you look like a whole nother person." 390 00:18:16.884 --> 00:18:18.601 Tall breeze, you know what I mean? 391 00:18:18.601 --> 00:18:20.272 Had a little, some finesse with him. 392 00:18:20.272 --> 00:18:22.647 The last time I seen him, he was a short, chubby kid, 393 00:18:22.647 --> 00:18:24.771 but big for his height, whatever. 394 00:18:24.771 --> 00:18:27.775 I remember Pac walked in the room and he was 395 00:18:27.775 --> 00:18:29.321 in the back of my mind I used to say 396 00:18:29.321 --> 00:18:31.021 I have to impress this dude, I have to let him know 397 00:18:31.021 --> 00:18:33.479 that I'm from the hood, I'm from the streets or whatever. 398 00:18:33.479 --> 00:18:37.229 - So, we gave Pac the demo, so Pac listening, 399 00:18:38.132 --> 00:18:40.028 he was like, "Yeah, alright, this cool, 400 00:18:40.028 --> 00:18:42.119 "wow, that's what's up, man." 401 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:43.734 - But, when I started to talk to him, man, 402 00:18:43.734 --> 00:18:45.709 he let me know from the jump that he not into 403 00:18:45.709 --> 00:18:49.503 that type of conversation, and he started to question me 404 00:18:49.503 --> 00:18:51.476 about the death of my mother and father. 405 00:18:51.476 --> 00:18:53.809 - So, Mu gave Pac the story. 406 00:18:54.983 --> 00:18:57.927 He sat down on the bed in the hotel, literally sat down, 407 00:18:57.927 --> 00:19:00.349 listening, so he was like, "Yeah well you know, 408 00:19:00.349 --> 00:19:03.287 "15, 16 years old, I'm trying to do this Pac, 409 00:19:03.287 --> 00:19:06.954 "and our parents got killed," so Pac looked. 410 00:19:07.852 --> 00:19:10.228 He gave this awkward look, like ooh, 411 00:19:10.228 --> 00:19:12.175 so like, "Go ahead with the story." 412 00:19:12.175 --> 00:19:14.801 So, Pac kept looking, listening to the story. 413 00:19:14.801 --> 00:19:17.856 After he finished the story, on everything I love, 414 00:19:17.856 --> 00:19:22.856 one tear came down Pac's eye, one tear came down Pac eye, 415 00:19:22.987 --> 00:19:25.374 he just looked, put his head down like this, 416 00:19:25.374 --> 00:19:28.833 he looked up, he was like, "I got you Mu." 417 00:19:28.833 --> 00:19:31.450 - So, for me, I was surprised to see that someone reacted 418 00:19:31.450 --> 00:19:33.409 over the story of the death of my mother and father 419 00:19:33.409 --> 00:19:35.972 the way he did to the point that I was trying to tell him, 420 00:19:35.972 --> 00:19:37.876 like, no need to cry, you know what I mean? 421 00:19:37.876 --> 00:19:40.227 And, he was a real dude, he said, "Man, I'ma try my best 422 00:19:40.227 --> 00:19:43.575 "to help you," and ever since that, from that day 423 00:19:43.575 --> 00:19:45.613 and from that meeting, every time that they came back 424 00:19:45.613 --> 00:19:46.923 to New York City, they would call me 425 00:19:46.923 --> 00:19:50.477 and I would go over there and meet with 'em. 426 00:19:50.477 --> 00:19:53.306 For awhile, at the beginning, when Pac kept coming around, 427 00:19:53.306 --> 00:19:55.342 I actually wasn't able to really 428 00:19:55.342 --> 00:19:56.938 speak too much about rap with him. 429 00:19:56.938 --> 00:19:59.366 He knew that I was a rapper, I gave him my CD, 430 00:19:59.366 --> 00:20:01.633 or whatever like that, but at the same time, 431 00:20:01.633 --> 00:20:03.145 I kept saying, "When we gonna have the conversation 432 00:20:03.145 --> 00:20:05.333 "about me trying to get in the music industry?" 433 00:20:05.333 --> 00:20:07.076 But, I guess he was trying to feel me out. 434 00:20:07.076 --> 00:20:09.315 At the beginning, it was more me coming around 435 00:20:09.315 --> 00:20:11.518 and just hanging around with him, you know what I mean? 436 00:20:11.518 --> 00:20:14.189 He wasn't really bringing up the topic, and eventually, 437 00:20:14.189 --> 00:20:18.143 he invited me to the studio. - Pac called Mu, 438 00:20:18.143 --> 00:20:20.544 "Yo listen, I'm doing Me Against the World, 439 00:20:20.544 --> 00:20:21.747 "wanna come over?" 440 00:20:21.747 --> 00:20:24.584 So, we all came over. - He was working on a song, 441 00:20:24.584 --> 00:20:25.759 and that's one of the first times 442 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:27.664 that I got on a record with him. 443 00:20:27.664 --> 00:20:31.992 - So I had left, dropped Mu off, Mu called me all excited, 444 00:20:31.992 --> 00:20:33.506 "Yo, I'm on the album, man! 445 00:20:33.506 --> 00:20:35.303 "Word up, he put me on the album!" 446 00:20:35.303 --> 00:20:37.748 He was like, "Come back over, pick me up, we on the album!" 447 00:20:37.748 --> 00:20:40.594 So, we back in the studio, we listening, uh-uh-uh-uh. 448 00:20:40.594 --> 00:20:43.349 He was like, "Yo," we looked, bumping our head like, 449 00:20:43.349 --> 00:20:45.268 "Yo, I'm at the end, that's it, 450 00:20:45.268 --> 00:20:47.655 "That's it right there, we in!" 451 00:20:47.655 --> 00:20:49.858 Pac like, "Y'all in, I'ma take care of y'all." 452 00:20:49.858 --> 00:20:52.907 So we all around rollin' with Pac in New York. 453 00:20:52.907 --> 00:20:54.355 - This particular time in my life, 454 00:20:54.355 --> 00:20:56.188 I got kicked outta high school. 455 00:20:56.188 --> 00:20:59.124 We had a new principal that came in, 456 00:20:59.124 --> 00:21:01.293 and she called me to her office, and she said that, 457 00:21:01.293 --> 00:21:04.141 "I asked for the names of the top 100 worst kids 458 00:21:04.141 --> 00:21:06.855 "in the school and your name was at the top 10 of the list," 459 00:21:06.855 --> 00:21:08.486 and she said, "If you mess up one more time, 460 00:21:08.486 --> 00:21:11.322 "I'ma kick you out," so I didn't take her serious. 461 00:21:11.322 --> 00:21:13.313 I messed up, she called me back to the office, 462 00:21:13.313 --> 00:21:15.794 she kicked me out, and what I really wanted to do 463 00:21:15.794 --> 00:21:17.602 is pursue the career in the music industry. 464 00:21:17.602 --> 00:21:20.225 I got, I tasted it when I was hanging around Pac 465 00:21:20.225 --> 00:21:22.553 and I got back in touch with Kadafi. 466 00:21:22.553 --> 00:21:24.669 I felt like I was already living that life. 467 00:21:24.669 --> 00:21:28.741 So what happened is, Kadafi and Kastro, at this time, 468 00:21:28.741 --> 00:21:31.335 I was calling down to Atlanta, 469 00:21:31.335 --> 00:21:33.009 and they was like, "Why don't you come down here?" 470 00:21:33.009 --> 00:21:34.077 They just basically gave me 471 00:21:34.077 --> 00:21:35.467 the invitation to come down there. 472 00:21:35.467 --> 00:21:38.554 I went back to Corey, at this time C, and he said, 473 00:21:38.554 --> 00:21:40.840 "If you wanna go, man, I'll pay for your plane ticket." 474 00:21:40.840 --> 00:21:42.676 So, he got up the money, gave me the money, 475 00:21:42.676 --> 00:21:45.887 paid for my plane ticket, and I remember going to Atlanta, 476 00:21:45.887 --> 00:21:48.764 and that was the beginning of the Outlaw era. 477 00:21:48.764 --> 00:21:51.681 - When Mu came around, it was like, 478 00:21:52.961 --> 00:21:55.554 I remember him from when we were little, 479 00:21:55.554 --> 00:21:57.773 and it was like, how could you not get along with him? 480 00:21:57.773 --> 00:22:01.672 He was cool, he was like one of us, he was funny, 481 00:22:01.672 --> 00:22:04.654 and we thought we was wild, he was a lot wilder 482 00:22:04.654 --> 00:22:06.763 than we was, though. - What's that? 483 00:22:06.763 --> 00:22:09.003 Tear it down! - Tear it down! 484 00:22:09.003 --> 00:22:12.351 - I'ma tear that ass down! - That's right. 485 00:22:12.351 --> 00:22:16.259 (people conversing) - Crazy! 486 00:22:16.259 --> 00:22:18.990 - I remember Mu when Mu was, like, off the hook. 487 00:22:18.990 --> 00:22:22.565 Mu was like, Mu was basically the wildest Outlaw 488 00:22:22.565 --> 00:22:25.399 in the group, a wild one. - He was all gone 489 00:22:25.399 --> 00:22:29.542 to hang out downtown, and he wasn't even, 490 00:22:29.542 --> 00:22:32.959 he wasn't even old enough to get into the club. 491 00:22:32.959 --> 00:22:37.126 So, we left him at the hotel downtown on P Street, 492 00:22:40.148 --> 00:22:43.315 so when we come back from hanging out, 493 00:22:46.916 --> 00:22:49.535 Pac was like, "Is that Mutah?" 494 00:22:49.535 --> 00:22:52.344 He walkin' up and down the street, 495 00:22:52.344 --> 00:22:55.028 that's bothering people. - He was just a young kid, 496 00:22:55.028 --> 00:22:57.028 very talented, but wild. 497 00:22:58.298 --> 00:23:01.737 - Mu was the type of guy that was so wild that 498 00:23:01.737 --> 00:23:04.617 you kinda had to keep your hand on him 499 00:23:04.617 --> 00:23:07.072 'cause he was just always wanting to fight. 500 00:23:07.072 --> 00:23:09.124 He was always the catch, you always had to say 501 00:23:09.124 --> 00:23:13.541 where is he at, 'cause he's liable to punch somebody. 502 00:23:14.546 --> 00:23:18.277 - This time, I still was a solo artist. 503 00:23:18.277 --> 00:23:21.824 When I met Pac and even got back with Yafeu Kadafi 504 00:23:21.824 --> 00:23:24.473 and the rest of the brothers, 505 00:23:24.473 --> 00:23:25.646 man, I still had the intention, 506 00:23:25.646 --> 00:23:27.389 I always wanted to be a solo artist. 507 00:23:27.389 --> 00:23:29.358 - Soon as he got on the scene, we was already rapping. 508 00:23:29.358 --> 00:23:30.384 We was already a group. 509 00:23:30.384 --> 00:23:33.934 We was Dramacydal or the Young Thugz or something like that, 510 00:23:33.934 --> 00:23:36.716 and when he came, he had two songs. 511 00:23:36.716 --> 00:23:40.049 He had Money Had Me Feelin' Like a Star, 512 00:23:42.548 --> 00:23:45.101 Money and Murder, and another song. 513 00:23:45.101 --> 00:23:49.205 - We ended up doing a song together called Killing Fields. 514 00:23:49.205 --> 00:23:53.093 Me, Kadafi, E.D. and Kastro, at this time, 515 00:23:53.093 --> 00:23:55.267 the name of their group was called the Young Thugz. 516 00:23:55.267 --> 00:23:57.788 Pac went back to New York City and he happened 517 00:23:57.788 --> 00:24:01.084 to call down to Atlanta, and we played the song for him, 518 00:24:01.084 --> 00:24:04.414 we played the song over the phone for Pac, 519 00:24:04.414 --> 00:24:07.670 and he thought that we belong as a group. 520 00:24:07.670 --> 00:24:10.151 He said we sound good together, so that's when he started 521 00:24:10.151 --> 00:24:13.953 to put me in the group, the Young Thugz. 522 00:24:13.953 --> 00:24:16.870 - And, he added a extra grit to it, 523 00:24:17.774 --> 00:24:21.406 and a lot more soul to what we was doing, 524 00:24:21.406 --> 00:24:26.009 so he was, like I say, he was a piece that was missing. 525 00:24:26.009 --> 00:24:27.979 - I guess, at this time, we'd just hear that lucky beat, 526 00:24:27.979 --> 00:24:30.690 man, that dope beat, and we came up with a dope song, 527 00:24:30.690 --> 00:24:32.163 and Pac would say, "That's what I wanted, 528 00:24:32.163 --> 00:24:33.958 "that's what I was trying to get out of y'all." 529 00:24:33.958 --> 00:24:37.228 We went on to become Dramacydal, and from that song on 530 00:24:37.228 --> 00:24:39.630 and a few other songs, he said that I'ma get y'all 531 00:24:39.630 --> 00:24:41.058 a record deal with Interscope Records, 532 00:24:41.058 --> 00:24:43.405 so he sent a few songs with him, and they agreed, 533 00:24:43.405 --> 00:24:46.050 and that's the first contract that we ever signed 534 00:24:46.050 --> 00:24:48.640 was with Interscope Records. 535 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.560 Pac happened to, one day, leave Atlanta 536 00:24:51.560 --> 00:24:54.436 to go to New York City, and we get the phone call 537 00:24:54.436 --> 00:24:57.406 in the middle of the night from his girlfriend Keisha, 538 00:24:57.406 --> 00:24:59.579 and she spoke to Set, which is Pac's sister saying, 539 00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:02.966 "Pac just got shot." (gunshot firing) 540 00:25:02.966 --> 00:25:05.288 It felt like, even growing up, that every time I got close 541 00:25:05.288 --> 00:25:07.556 to an individual, even in my neighborhood, 542 00:25:07.556 --> 00:25:09.048 something happened to 'em, you know what I mean? 543 00:25:09.048 --> 00:25:10.819 So, I started to thinking, now that I'm close 544 00:25:10.819 --> 00:25:12.888 with this individual and he was treating me 545 00:25:12.888 --> 00:25:16.549 like a little brother, it's something gonna happen to him. 546 00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:19.687 (swooshing) 547 00:25:19.687 --> 00:25:21.974 Soon, word got back that he was okay. 548 00:25:21.974 --> 00:25:24.771 The next day after he checked himself out of the hospital, 549 00:25:24.771 --> 00:25:27.326 he called the house, he spoke to E.D,, 550 00:25:27.326 --> 00:25:30.506 Kadafi said, "Let everybody know he was okay," 551 00:25:30.506 --> 00:25:31.976 and then he asked to speak to me, 552 00:25:31.976 --> 00:25:33.775 told them to give me the phone, 553 00:25:33.775 --> 00:25:35.767 and when I got on the phone with him, 554 00:25:35.767 --> 00:25:38.189 I was excited to speak to him, but I was more happy 555 00:25:38.189 --> 00:25:41.969 that he was safe, and he was saying, his exact words was, 556 00:25:41.969 --> 00:25:43.347 "You didn't think that I'd let them 557 00:25:43.347 --> 00:25:45.989 "take me away from you so soon." 558 00:25:45.989 --> 00:25:47.757 Most people from the outside looking in, 559 00:25:47.757 --> 00:25:49.129 and the way the media portrayed it, 560 00:25:49.129 --> 00:25:50.525 they thought it was a robbery, 561 00:25:50.525 --> 00:25:52.293 but them people came to murder him. 562 00:25:52.293 --> 00:25:55.749 Word was on the street that people like Biggie and Puffy, 563 00:25:55.749 --> 00:25:58.110 they knew that this individual was gonna try 564 00:25:58.110 --> 00:26:00.625 to do this to them because the same individual 565 00:26:00.625 --> 00:26:03.136 who tried to put this hit out on Pac, 566 00:26:03.136 --> 00:26:06.291 the word on the street is that they was extorting Puffy 567 00:26:06.291 --> 00:26:07.859 and Biggie and all these type of cats, 568 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.452 so the information started to get back to us real quick. 569 00:26:11.452 --> 00:26:15.308 A few weeks after that, he actually got arrested, 570 00:26:15.308 --> 00:26:18.117 but while he was arrested, he kept doing 571 00:26:18.117 --> 00:26:19.590 what he said he was gonna do. 572 00:26:19.590 --> 00:26:22.223 We went to Interscope Records, we signed a contract 573 00:26:22.223 --> 00:26:24.272 with Interscope Records while he was in prison, 574 00:26:24.272 --> 00:26:26.909 so it was just me, Kastro, and E.D. 575 00:26:26.909 --> 00:26:30.957 went to Universal Studios, stayed in the suburbs, 576 00:26:30.957 --> 00:26:33.470 Interscope pick us up, take us to the studio, 577 00:26:33.470 --> 00:26:34.668 and we did an album. 578 00:26:34.668 --> 00:26:37.360 Pac would call in from prison, he got on a few songs. 579 00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:41.084 Actually, he was the first artist to be involved 580 00:26:41.084 --> 00:26:43.352 in a song from prison, he was on hooks. 581 00:26:43.352 --> 00:26:46.609 We'd put the microphone to the speaker, 582 00:26:46.609 --> 00:26:49.973 the phone to the speaker, and he'd start spitting the hook. 583 00:26:49.973 --> 00:26:52.665 So, that album was dope, man, it was some of the best music 584 00:26:52.665 --> 00:26:54.645 we'd ever done, they promoted us. 585 00:26:54.645 --> 00:26:57.825 Interscope Records had us in all the magazines. 586 00:26:57.825 --> 00:26:59.632 I remember one day we visited him, he said, 587 00:26:59.632 --> 00:27:02.210 "I'm not gonna release that album on Interscope." 588 00:27:02.210 --> 00:27:03.950 He said, "Matter of fact, I'm signing a record deal 589 00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:07.337 "with Suge Knight." (angelic music) 590 00:27:07.337 --> 00:27:08.758 This time, Death Row Records was 591 00:27:08.758 --> 00:27:10.526 the number one record label. 592 00:27:10.526 --> 00:27:14.039 They had Snoop Dog, they had Dr. Dre, they was making, 593 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.882 they knew how to promote their artists, put it that way, 594 00:27:16.882 --> 00:27:20.795 and Death Row Records was different for me because it was, 595 00:27:20.795 --> 00:27:23.169 you'd be in the studio and it's full of bloods and crips. 596 00:27:23.169 --> 00:27:25.684 You got Snoop in the studio full of crips, 597 00:27:25.684 --> 00:27:28.708 Snoop Dogg'll be in this studio, we in this studio 598 00:27:28.708 --> 00:27:30.882 full of bloods hangin' with Suge Knight. 599 00:27:30.882 --> 00:27:34.752 It always seemed like it was a tense atmosphere. 600 00:27:34.752 --> 00:27:36.779 It was one of them things that, it was a situation 601 00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:39.229 you had to always be on point. 602 00:27:39.229 --> 00:27:41.546 It reminded me of the streets, it reminded me, 603 00:27:41.546 --> 00:27:44.677 the studio actually reminded me of the streets in Jersey. 604 00:27:44.677 --> 00:27:47.446 After getting shot and doing a year and a half in prison 605 00:27:47.446 --> 00:27:49.932 and coming out dropping the number one record, 606 00:27:49.932 --> 00:27:51.330 the people was losing their minds, 607 00:27:51.330 --> 00:27:52.626 you walk in the mall with him. 608 00:27:52.626 --> 00:27:53.911 It was just one of them things that 609 00:27:53.911 --> 00:27:55.477 he was the number one celebrity, 610 00:27:55.477 --> 00:27:57.932 and he was the biggest star at that time. 611 00:27:57.932 --> 00:28:00.150 Now, he went from selling three to four 612 00:28:00.150 --> 00:28:03.123 or five million records to selling 20 million records. 613 00:28:03.123 --> 00:28:05.561 - Pac said that, "I wanna give you guys names 614 00:28:05.561 --> 00:28:06.695 "something different than most 615 00:28:06.695 --> 00:28:08.344 "or all the other rap groups out there." 616 00:28:08.344 --> 00:28:10.128 At this time, a lot of people were changing their names 617 00:28:10.128 --> 00:28:12.797 towards Italian mob figures or Italian names, 618 00:28:12.797 --> 00:28:14.525 so Pac said, "I wanna give you guys names 619 00:28:14.525 --> 00:28:17.362 "of so-called enemies of the West, or so-called tyrants," 620 00:28:17.362 --> 00:28:19.726 and when I was young, I used to have a very bad temper. 621 00:28:19.726 --> 00:28:22.310 When I met Pac, I still had this chip on my shoulder, 622 00:28:22.310 --> 00:28:25.027 and he said that I basically had a short man complex. 623 00:28:25.027 --> 00:28:27.312 It was an inside joke, so that's how he gave me the name 624 00:28:27.312 --> 00:28:32.104 Napoleon, after the French emperor Napoleon Bonaparte. 625 00:28:32.104 --> 00:28:35.398 - He had the Napoleon complex, he was short. (chuckling) 626 00:28:35.398 --> 00:28:37.111 You know what I mean, he was little, 627 00:28:37.111 --> 00:28:40.974 so it was only right that his name was Napoleon. 628 00:28:40.974 --> 00:28:42.656 - Napoleon's name fitted him well. 629 00:28:42.656 --> 00:28:47.324 He had a short man's complex, he'd try anybody. 630 00:28:47.324 --> 00:28:51.720 - Napoleon was a short dude, had a Napoleon complex. 631 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.322 He was a rider, he was a rider for the squad. 632 00:28:54.322 --> 00:28:56.443 - So, that's how we formed the Outlawz. 633 00:28:56.443 --> 00:28:57.696 At first it was Outlaw Immortalz, 634 00:28:57.696 --> 00:29:01.289 and then he just cut it to The Outlawz. 635 00:29:01.289 --> 00:29:02.772 - The fame was on another level because, 636 00:29:02.772 --> 00:29:05.785 for the first time in my life, I did a tour. 637 00:29:05.785 --> 00:29:10.199 Tupac, Snoop Dogg, and Dr. Dre and the Dogg Pound, 638 00:29:10.199 --> 00:29:12.319 we did a small tour around America, 639 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.743 and to be able to come onstage with Pac 640 00:29:14.743 --> 00:29:17.796 and to look out, and a football stadium 641 00:29:17.796 --> 00:29:19.255 with nothing but people in the crowd, 642 00:29:19.255 --> 00:29:21.565 and we rapping on the side of him, man, 643 00:29:21.565 --> 00:29:23.767 that was the first time that in knew that this was real, 644 00:29:23.767 --> 00:29:25.736 to see people out in the audience screaming, 645 00:29:25.736 --> 00:29:29.687 as far as the eye can see, people, it's crowded. 646 00:29:29.687 --> 00:29:31.492 That was fame, man. 647 00:29:31.492 --> 00:29:34.161 At that time in my life, I just felt, 648 00:29:34.161 --> 00:29:36.468 when I left New Jersey, I was a kid. 649 00:29:36.468 --> 00:29:39.435 When I started to get around Pac, I started to become a man. 650 00:29:39.435 --> 00:29:42.845 It just made me arrogant, it made me arrogant because 651 00:29:42.845 --> 00:29:46.739 you basically have the whole world at your feet. 652 00:29:46.739 --> 00:29:51.397 - At the time, that music was, it was really hittin'. 653 00:29:51.397 --> 00:29:55.147 Tupac had introduced The Outlawz to his fans. 654 00:29:56.593 --> 00:29:59.690 - There was a certain amount of arrogance they all had 655 00:29:59.690 --> 00:30:01.871 during that time because they were on cloud nine, 656 00:30:01.871 --> 00:30:03.451 I mean, they were at the top, they were selling 657 00:30:03.451 --> 00:30:08.137 millions of albums with Tupac, and I think it felt for them 658 00:30:08.137 --> 00:30:10.055 that they had arrived to that point 659 00:30:10.055 --> 00:30:13.038 that they were all hoping to get to in their lives. 660 00:30:13.038 --> 00:30:16.777 - So, Death Row Records, man, we was living like kings. 661 00:30:16.777 --> 00:30:21.777 (swooshing) (heart beating) 662 00:30:22.030 --> 00:30:23.976 - As I got a phone call from my Aunt Jamila 663 00:30:23.976 --> 00:30:27.643 that said that my grandmother's unconscious. 664 00:30:28.521 --> 00:30:31.872 My grandmother was named Mary Clarke, West Virginia, 665 00:30:31.872 --> 00:30:33.330 she came from down South, so she had 666 00:30:33.330 --> 00:30:37.756 an old school upbringing, and she was just a sweet woman. 667 00:30:37.756 --> 00:30:40.211 One of the reasons I wanted to make it in the music industry 668 00:30:40.211 --> 00:30:41.740 so I can get her up out of the hood, 669 00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:44.425 I can put her in a better living condition, buy a house. 670 00:30:44.425 --> 00:30:47.114 This is the dream that I wanted to do for my grandmother. 671 00:30:47.114 --> 00:30:48.913 - 'Cause after my parents got murdered, 672 00:30:48.913 --> 00:30:51.607 my grandmother was the next close thing to me, 673 00:30:51.607 --> 00:30:53.929 and growing up, I always was close, 674 00:30:53.929 --> 00:30:55.794 I'd stay underneath my grandmother because 675 00:30:55.794 --> 00:30:58.278 I was so used to things getting taken away from me. 676 00:30:58.278 --> 00:31:00.006 - I can admit, man, we were some bad kids. 677 00:31:00.006 --> 00:31:02.874 We drove her her crazy, but she had this way where she dealt 678 00:31:02.874 --> 00:31:05.534 with us that all of us had a certain relationship with her, 679 00:31:05.534 --> 00:31:06.868 a special relationship with her. 680 00:31:06.868 --> 00:31:09.371 - And, I didn't end up growing up, when as a child, 681 00:31:09.371 --> 00:31:10.928 I never knew how I would take it 682 00:31:10.928 --> 00:31:13.421 if my grandmother passed away. - And I remember as kids, 683 00:31:13.421 --> 00:31:14.640 every time she'd go in the hospital, 684 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.678 me and my brothers and cousins say, "Man, I swear to God, 685 00:31:16.678 --> 00:31:19.352 "if Grandma die, we killing everybody in the neighborhood." 686 00:31:19.352 --> 00:31:23.035 We were just, (laughing) this is how much we loved her. 687 00:31:23.035 --> 00:31:24.198 So, when I got up there, 688 00:31:24.198 --> 00:31:27.677 by the time I got off the plane, she died already. 689 00:31:27.677 --> 00:31:30.383 When she passed away, man, I think that was 690 00:31:30.383 --> 00:31:33.529 the hardest death I ever went through. 691 00:31:33.529 --> 00:31:35.530 When you lose your mother and father at three years old, 692 00:31:35.530 --> 00:31:37.764 you're not really attached to 'em, you know what I mean? 693 00:31:37.764 --> 00:31:39.832 I was just a kid, but it was hard for me 694 00:31:39.832 --> 00:31:42.990 when I lost my grandmother, and that's when Kadafi 695 00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:45.356 was in my corner, 'cause I remember, I get the phone call, 696 00:31:45.356 --> 00:31:47.067 and I remember, I just grabbed a gun, 697 00:31:47.067 --> 00:31:49.354 and I had so much anger in me 698 00:31:49.354 --> 00:31:52.771 that I literally wanted to hurt somebody. 699 00:31:53.699 --> 00:31:57.564 And, I end up staying in New Jersey for a while, 700 00:31:57.564 --> 00:32:00.483 and start to run back in the streets, hangin', 701 00:32:00.483 --> 00:32:02.271 start to get used to my old ways. 702 00:32:02.271 --> 00:32:03.999 I had a little fame with me at this time, 703 00:32:03.999 --> 00:32:06.656 so I kinda, I didn't even want, I wanna say 704 00:32:06.656 --> 00:32:10.559 wanted go back to LA because I was on albums already, 705 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.097 I had a name for myself, so I was taking advantage of that, 706 00:32:13.097 --> 00:32:16.041 and months, probably like a month or something would pass 707 00:32:16.041 --> 00:32:18.459 and I get a phone call from Pac, and he said, 708 00:32:18.459 --> 00:32:19.861 "Are you ready to come home?" 709 00:32:19.861 --> 00:32:22.428 Even though I wasn't ready, but I knew, basically, 710 00:32:22.428 --> 00:32:25.695 what that means is to get back out here. 711 00:32:25.695 --> 00:32:28.739 Went back to LA and I started to listening to the songs 712 00:32:28.739 --> 00:32:31.507 on Makaveli, and to me, man, that was the most 713 00:32:31.507 --> 00:32:33.034 different music he ever done. 714 00:32:33.034 --> 00:32:35.327 It seemed like on that album, he touched, 715 00:32:35.327 --> 00:32:38.466 he touched in his inside and basically put it on the music 716 00:32:38.466 --> 00:32:41.233 that I never heard that from him in my life. 717 00:32:41.233 --> 00:32:43.421 After he came to Death Row Records he was more aggressive, 718 00:32:43.421 --> 00:32:45.587 but you gotta understand that he had actually 719 00:32:45.587 --> 00:32:46.991 people that wanted to murder him. 720 00:32:46.991 --> 00:32:49.853 The people that came to shoot him in that elevator 721 00:32:49.853 --> 00:32:52.603 that day in the studio, they came with the intention 722 00:32:52.603 --> 00:32:54.073 to murder him, you know what I mean? 723 00:32:54.073 --> 00:32:55.642 And, the word on the street is that 724 00:32:55.642 --> 00:32:58.375 these same people still wanted to murder him. 725 00:32:58.375 --> 00:33:00.368 One, I think the media really blew it up 726 00:33:00.368 --> 00:33:02.299 and made it an East Coast West Coast because 727 00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:04.276 all The Outlawz, we was from the East Coast. 728 00:33:04.276 --> 00:33:05.337 - Me, I didn't really see it as 729 00:33:05.337 --> 00:33:07.541 no East Coast West Coast thing. 730 00:33:07.541 --> 00:33:09.789 Even though in reality, it kinda was 731 00:33:09.789 --> 00:33:12.110 because it was a problem for the people from the West Coast 732 00:33:12.110 --> 00:33:14.229 to go the East Coast, and vice versa. 733 00:33:14.229 --> 00:33:18.293 But, I was from New York and California. 734 00:33:18.293 --> 00:33:20.413 - It was more of a beef between Bad Boy Records 735 00:33:20.413 --> 00:33:23.129 and Death Row Records, it was more on a personal beef. 736 00:33:23.129 --> 00:33:26.569 - And, the whole incident popped off with Tupac, 737 00:33:26.569 --> 00:33:29.550 and it was like, I kinda seen Biggie struggling with that, 738 00:33:29.550 --> 00:33:34.129 like when a person kinda explained the relationship 739 00:33:34.129 --> 00:33:37.762 that he had with Tupac was genuine and they was pretty cool. 740 00:33:37.762 --> 00:33:41.903 - The Hit 'Em Up song came that Pac was in a studio, 741 00:33:41.903 --> 00:33:44.878 he did one Hit 'Em Up that all of us was on, 742 00:33:44.878 --> 00:33:47.939 and then he came, I think Biggie and them put out a song 743 00:33:47.939 --> 00:33:50.923 called Get Money, something like that, and Pac said, 744 00:33:50.923 --> 00:33:53.391 "I'ma take their beat, switch it up a little, 745 00:33:53.391 --> 00:33:56.289 "and I'm about to dis 'em, you know what I mean?" 746 00:33:56.289 --> 00:33:59.539 (slow distorted music) 747 00:34:01.135 --> 00:34:04.243 - So, when they just tried to go on this full court 748 00:34:04.243 --> 00:34:07.272 onslaught about assassinating Big's character, 749 00:34:07.272 --> 00:34:10.637 and I really didn't feel them cats to be honest with you. 750 00:34:10.637 --> 00:34:13.887 (slow distorted music) 751 00:34:16.683 --> 00:34:20.901 - In hip-hop, you got beef records, but what Pac did 752 00:34:20.901 --> 00:34:23.872 with that record was, he made it very personal, 753 00:34:23.872 --> 00:34:27.788 and he made it to where, I mean, you had to do something. 754 00:34:27.788 --> 00:34:30.365 You couldn't just rap no more, you had to either 755 00:34:30.365 --> 00:34:32.485 do something or don't say nothing. 756 00:34:32.485 --> 00:34:33.896 - It's one of them things that when it came out, 757 00:34:33.896 --> 00:34:38.738 it blew up, because I don't think that nobody ever did a dis 758 00:34:38.738 --> 00:34:41.895 that was that serious, it was serious. 759 00:34:41.895 --> 00:34:45.764 - I was like, man, these dudes is troublemakers. 760 00:34:45.764 --> 00:34:48.657 These cats is starting a little bit too much trouble. 761 00:34:48.657 --> 00:34:53.574 This thing ain't gonna end on a good note if this persists. 762 00:34:55.646 --> 00:34:57.715 - When I got to Los Angeles, he happened to be doing 763 00:34:57.715 --> 00:35:00.335 the last song, which is called Life of an Outlaw, 764 00:35:00.335 --> 00:35:01.644 and that was basically the last song 765 00:35:01.644 --> 00:35:05.505 that I ever done with him, that was it, you know? 766 00:35:05.505 --> 00:35:10.505 (gunshots firing) (sirens blaring) 767 00:35:11.701 --> 00:35:13.966 - Tupac, he got into a fight with an individual 768 00:35:13.966 --> 00:35:18.966 for an incident that happened a few weeks before that. 769 00:35:19.198 --> 00:35:22.095 One of the guys from Death Row Records whispered to Pac 770 00:35:22.095 --> 00:35:24.189 and said, "That's the dude that I got into a fight with 771 00:35:24.189 --> 00:35:25.863 "a few weeks ago, whatever." 772 00:35:25.863 --> 00:35:28.376 Pac, for whatever reason, just snapped 773 00:35:28.376 --> 00:35:32.357 and charged the dude, started fighting the dude. 774 00:35:32.357 --> 00:35:35.940 - So, Pac left me and Napoleon at the house 775 00:35:36.838 --> 00:35:38.297 where we had just came from New York, 776 00:35:38.297 --> 00:35:41.805 took E.D. and Kastro with him, so me and Napoleon, 777 00:35:41.805 --> 00:35:45.222 we was the only two Outlawz not in Vegas. 778 00:35:47.030 --> 00:35:49.706 - This particular time, I left out of Pac's house, 779 00:35:49.706 --> 00:35:53.347 and he called the house and he asked Noble where I was at, 780 00:35:53.347 --> 00:35:56.726 and Noble said he left, but something was very strange, man, 781 00:35:56.726 --> 00:35:58.760 'cause even for me, at that time, I remember, 782 00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.469 I felt like something was gonna happen. 783 00:36:00.469 --> 00:36:03.296 Even when I look back at it, I ask myself, 784 00:36:03.296 --> 00:36:04.725 what was that feeling? 785 00:36:04.725 --> 00:36:05.985 I just had this feeling that I said, 786 00:36:05.985 --> 00:36:07.457 "I feel something's gonna happen," 787 00:36:07.457 --> 00:36:09.765 and that's one of the reasons I left Pac's house. 788 00:36:09.765 --> 00:36:12.215 I just felt like I need to go think. 789 00:36:12.215 --> 00:36:14.408 - When I got back to the house, I remember Young Noble 790 00:36:14.408 --> 00:36:16.322 coming to the gate and his face looked, 791 00:36:16.322 --> 00:36:20.579 he had a strange look on his face, I said, "Did Pac call?" 792 00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:23.778 He said, "Yo, I think Yasmine called, Kadafi's mother said 793 00:36:23.778 --> 00:36:28.586 "Tupac just got shot." (swooshing) 794 00:36:28.586 --> 00:36:29.975 But, the first thing that I said in my head, 795 00:36:29.975 --> 00:36:33.238 when he got shot five times before, he's gonna take this, 796 00:36:33.238 --> 00:36:35.588 come out, do records, sell millions of records again. 797 00:36:35.588 --> 00:36:38.021 We put all types of guns in the trunk. 798 00:36:38.021 --> 00:36:40.382 We drove to Vegas, man we had a trunk full of weapons 799 00:36:40.382 --> 00:36:45.147 'cause we didn't know what to expect when we get there. 800 00:36:45.147 --> 00:36:47.211 I remember when I first entered the hospital 801 00:36:47.211 --> 00:36:50.867 to see Pac in a bed, his mother and Sekyiwa, his sister, 802 00:36:50.867 --> 00:36:52.990 used to always say that he's okay and he looked fine, 803 00:36:52.990 --> 00:36:56.037 but when I actually saw him in the hospital bed, to me, 804 00:36:56.037 --> 00:36:58.112 I knew from right there that it didn't look like 805 00:36:58.112 --> 00:36:59.565 he was gonna make it. (heart rate monitor beeping) 806 00:36:59.565 --> 00:37:01.962 Of course, his mother and sister are very strong individuals 807 00:37:01.962 --> 00:37:03.797 so they kept saying, "He look good, he look good," 808 00:37:03.797 --> 00:37:06.035 but when I seen Tupac in the state that he was in, 809 00:37:06.035 --> 00:37:08.468 it was hard for me to see him like that. 810 00:37:08.468 --> 00:37:12.976 Pac was a guy that was always loud, always partying. 811 00:37:12.976 --> 00:37:15.618 So now, to see him lying in the bed, he was helpless, 812 00:37:15.618 --> 00:37:18.389 it just didn't look right, and a couple days later, 813 00:37:18.389 --> 00:37:23.389 that's when he passed away. (heat rate monitor flatlining) 814 00:37:23.945 --> 00:37:27.783 (swooshing) (slow choir music) 815 00:37:27.783 --> 00:37:31.866 - Pac loved him, them two was bonding, so I know, 816 00:37:33.018 --> 00:37:37.659 it effected him real, real hard, and if you know Mu, 817 00:37:37.659 --> 00:37:42.659 he's real sensitive, passionate person, 818 00:37:43.233 --> 00:37:46.650 so he felt it hard. - Once Pac got killed, 819 00:37:47.986 --> 00:37:51.010 I think he probably lost a little hope 820 00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:55.843 because everything, I guess, that was close to him always, 821 00:37:56.953 --> 00:38:00.309 somehow someway he dies or get taken away from him. 822 00:38:00.309 --> 00:38:02.810 - His grandmother just passed. 823 00:38:02.810 --> 00:38:04.226 Everybody that was taking care of him, 824 00:38:04.226 --> 00:38:07.699 as far as trying to have guardianship over him, 825 00:38:07.699 --> 00:38:10.140 passed away. - From day one, 826 00:38:10.140 --> 00:38:11.612 he treated me like a family member. 827 00:38:11.612 --> 00:38:13.261 It wasn't like he said, come to Atlanta, 828 00:38:13.261 --> 00:38:14.920 you stay at the hotel, I actually moved in 829 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.660 the house with him. - Pac was his mentor, 830 00:38:17.660 --> 00:38:20.791 Pac was his older brother, he was his dad even 831 00:38:20.791 --> 00:38:24.208 in a lot of ways. - I mean, 832 00:38:26.253 --> 00:38:30.294 like, Pac was my family, that was my brother. 833 00:38:30.294 --> 00:38:32.629 It's obvious how I felt, I felt devastated, 834 00:38:32.629 --> 00:38:36.712 I felt destroyed, a part of me was taken from me. 835 00:38:39.030 --> 00:38:43.470 - Well, when I heard he passed away, I was in Jersey. 836 00:38:43.470 --> 00:38:45.962 Off some bull, probably drunk or high, 837 00:38:45.962 --> 00:38:49.305 and when I heard this, I heard it on the radio. 838 00:38:49.305 --> 00:38:51.649 I was kinda hurt because I couldn't be there, 839 00:38:51.649 --> 00:38:55.578 but at the same time, I felt like the, 840 00:38:55.578 --> 00:38:58.414 was gonna pull through and he didn't. 841 00:38:58.414 --> 00:39:00.747 (sad music) 842 00:39:05.542 --> 00:39:08.602 - Word on the street that it was Orlando Anderson. 843 00:39:08.602 --> 00:39:11.791 This was the guy that Pac fought in the hotel lobby. 844 00:39:11.791 --> 00:39:13.455 Word on the street that it was his boys 845 00:39:13.455 --> 00:39:16.084 that came back to take revenge, which makes sense, 846 00:39:16.084 --> 00:39:19.601 because, especially in America, that's how it worked. 847 00:39:19.601 --> 00:39:22.539 You fight with an individual nowadays, 848 00:39:22.539 --> 00:39:24.337 they come back for revenge, they don't wanna 849 00:39:24.337 --> 00:39:27.091 come back to fight, they gonna come back to shoot. 850 00:39:27.091 --> 00:39:29.046 So, word on the streets, even though they never 851 00:39:29.046 --> 00:39:31.152 found the killer, but that was the word on the street 852 00:39:31.152 --> 00:39:32.584 is that the people that was involved 853 00:39:32.584 --> 00:39:37.417 was from that guy hood from Compton, you know what I mean? 854 00:39:38.562 --> 00:39:40.036 - When you're in the public eye like that, 855 00:39:40.036 --> 00:39:41.775 you just can't go around wild'n out, 856 00:39:41.775 --> 00:39:45.797 smackin', in the head, and it was a lesson really learned 857 00:39:45.797 --> 00:39:49.649 to me, 'cause I come from areas where, 858 00:39:49.649 --> 00:39:52.392 if you do something to somebody, you gotta be ready 859 00:39:52.392 --> 00:39:55.657 for when they come back, and the bottom line is, 860 00:39:55.657 --> 00:39:57.925 I just learned to just be humble. 861 00:39:57.925 --> 00:40:00.258 (sad music) 862 00:40:07.806 --> 00:40:10.522 - So, after the death of Pac, me and Kadafi, 863 00:40:10.522 --> 00:40:12.380 we went back to New Jersey. 864 00:40:12.380 --> 00:40:15.220 I actually went back to New Jersey when my hood 865 00:40:15.220 --> 00:40:16.822 was basically beefing with some cats 866 00:40:16.822 --> 00:40:19.648 from another neighborhood, and they actually was coming 867 00:40:19.648 --> 00:40:22.564 around on my block looking for my cousin Roddy, 868 00:40:22.564 --> 00:40:24.846 and I happened to one day be outside on the block 869 00:40:24.846 --> 00:40:27.276 with my brother Seike, and a van pulled up 870 00:40:27.276 --> 00:40:30.527 and they jumped out, shotgun, and they ran down on us, 871 00:40:30.527 --> 00:40:33.237 and they was looking at us, and they happened to find out 872 00:40:33.237 --> 00:40:36.666 that my cousin Roddy wasn't there, so they basically 873 00:40:36.666 --> 00:40:38.856 jumped in their van and he went around the corner. 874 00:40:38.856 --> 00:40:41.273 The next day, I went back out the block, the same thing. 875 00:40:41.273 --> 00:40:44.419 They came back around looking for my cousin, Roddy. 876 00:40:44.419 --> 00:40:45.755 They was jumping out with the guns, 877 00:40:45.755 --> 00:40:49.239 just pointing guns at everybody, so if I'm coming from 878 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.406 just losing Pac, from getting shot up, 879 00:40:53.423 --> 00:40:56.260 I wast taking that lightly, so one day, 880 00:40:56.260 --> 00:40:58.161 they actually came back on the block and I said, 881 00:40:58.161 --> 00:40:59.764 "Man, it's either me or them." 882 00:40:59.764 --> 00:41:01.753 What if they come out this time and start shooting? 883 00:41:01.753 --> 00:41:03.710 And, I ran upstairs to the apartment 884 00:41:03.710 --> 00:41:04.925 where they used to hide the drugs, 885 00:41:04.925 --> 00:41:09.014 hide the drugs, hide the guns, and my cousin actually 886 00:41:09.014 --> 00:41:11.348 grabbed a gun, my cousin Reef, and I actually started 887 00:41:11.348 --> 00:41:14.697 wrestling the gun, getting the gun from out of his hands, 888 00:41:14.697 --> 00:41:16.805 and I ran downstairs, and when I came outside 889 00:41:16.805 --> 00:41:19.339 of the building, the van was actually out there. 890 00:41:19.339 --> 00:41:21.225 They was about to jump out, put it that way. 891 00:41:21.225 --> 00:41:23.588 (prison doors closing) A few days later after that, 892 00:41:23.588 --> 00:41:25.725 I got arrested for something different, 893 00:41:25.725 --> 00:41:27.427 for some weed or something, I was around somebody 894 00:41:27.427 --> 00:41:30.008 that had some marijuana with 'em and I got locked up, 895 00:41:30.008 --> 00:41:34.154 and when I was in the cell, it was only for a week or two, 896 00:41:34.154 --> 00:41:36.906 when I was in the cell, I was thinking, man, 897 00:41:36.906 --> 00:41:39.972 and I basically said, "This is the reason I left New Jersey, 898 00:41:39.972 --> 00:41:41.167 "what am I doing?" 899 00:41:41.167 --> 00:41:43.205 I wanted to pursue a career in the music industry. 900 00:41:43.205 --> 00:41:46.030 What am I doing back to square one? 901 00:41:46.030 --> 00:41:47.772 So is said, "When I get out of here, I'ma tell Kadafi 902 00:41:47.772 --> 00:41:49.245 "let's leave, man, let's go pursue 903 00:41:49.245 --> 00:41:50.972 "our career in the music industry." 904 00:41:50.972 --> 00:41:52.340 So, I got out and I told Kadafi, 905 00:41:52.340 --> 00:41:54.343 "Man, let's just get up outta here," and he said, 906 00:41:54.343 --> 00:41:56.719 "You go and I'll meet you out there." 907 00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.292 I introduced Kadafi to my cousin Roddy, 908 00:41:59.292 --> 00:42:00.931 and they built their own relationship, man, 909 00:42:00.931 --> 00:42:02.446 they became friends and they started 910 00:42:02.446 --> 00:42:04.444 to hang around each other without me. 911 00:42:04.444 --> 00:42:06.837 I introduced Kadafi to Roddy basically saying also 912 00:42:06.837 --> 00:42:08.449 that Kadafi was in good hands. 913 00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:10.035 I know that if anything would happen to him 914 00:42:10.035 --> 00:42:12.637 while he was around Roddy, I know Roddy the type 915 00:42:12.637 --> 00:42:15.230 that ain't gonna let nothing happen to him, put it that way. 916 00:42:15.230 --> 00:42:18.157 So, when I left New Jersey in October, 917 00:42:18.157 --> 00:42:20.226 I get a phone call in November, 918 00:42:20.226 --> 00:42:22.176 (cell phone ringing) and I remember Kastro 919 00:42:22.176 --> 00:42:24.833 coming in the room and he said, "Man, Kadafi just got shot." 920 00:42:24.833 --> 00:42:28.738 (gunshot firing) - And we found out 921 00:42:28.738 --> 00:42:33.738 about Yak on the morning of the Pac memorial. 922 00:42:37.140 --> 00:42:39.110 That morning is when we found out about Yak, 923 00:42:39.110 --> 00:42:42.609 so it was like, you know. - A few hours later, 924 00:42:42.609 --> 00:42:45.024 we got another phone call that came from New Jersey 925 00:42:45.024 --> 00:42:48.042 and said that it was Mutah's cousin, it was Roddy, 926 00:42:48.042 --> 00:42:52.586 and I remember I just broke down and started crying. 927 00:42:52.586 --> 00:42:56.836 - The feeling, after we found out who shot Yak, was 928 00:43:01.790 --> 00:43:03.290 sickness. 929 00:43:04.252 --> 00:43:06.294 We were shocked and we were sickened. 930 00:43:06.294 --> 00:43:10.565 It was like we were dealing with so much already. 931 00:43:10.565 --> 00:43:13.269 - I believe Kadafi's death affected my brother 932 00:43:13.269 --> 00:43:15.484 probably harder than Pac's death, 933 00:43:15.484 --> 00:43:18.160 because it came from the hands of my little cousin, 934 00:43:18.160 --> 00:43:20.067 and growing up, my grandmother raised me, 935 00:43:20.067 --> 00:43:22.637 my two brothers, and three of my other cousins, 936 00:43:22.637 --> 00:43:24.870 so we grew up as brothers all our lives. 937 00:43:24.870 --> 00:43:26.765 - Yak was his best friend. 938 00:43:26.765 --> 00:43:29.201 As far as I know, that's how I met him, (chuckling) 939 00:43:29.201 --> 00:43:32.451 that's how I met Mu through Yak, and... 940 00:43:33.407 --> 00:43:36.678 I know that had to hurt. - It just left a hole, 941 00:43:36.678 --> 00:43:39.592 it just left everybody in a weird position 942 00:43:39.592 --> 00:43:44.592 because his cousin did it, he introduced them to each other. 943 00:43:46.313 --> 00:43:48.490 - Dealing with it through he clique, 944 00:43:48.490 --> 00:43:51.508 dealing with it on the family level, 945 00:43:51.508 --> 00:43:56.508 there was arguments, people fought, people stopped speaking, 946 00:43:57.223 --> 00:44:00.208 and people argued. - One end, you got 947 00:44:00.208 --> 00:44:03.512 Kadafi's family feeling a certain way about my family now 948 00:44:03.512 --> 00:44:07.105 because my cousin killed their family member, 949 00:44:07.105 --> 00:44:08.941 and my brother's stuck in the middle because 950 00:44:08.941 --> 00:44:12.314 he loved Kadafi like a brother, and he also loved my cousin 951 00:44:12.314 --> 00:44:14.270 like a brother. - But Pac moms, 952 00:44:14.270 --> 00:44:16.023 one of the things I can say, even though Kadafi 953 00:44:16.023 --> 00:44:17.552 was her nephew and that was my cousin 954 00:44:17.552 --> 00:44:19.982 that actually killed him, they never once 955 00:44:19.982 --> 00:44:23.046 made me feel uncomfortable in that house. 956 00:44:23.046 --> 00:44:25.802 But, deep in my own soul, I felt uncomfortable. 957 00:44:25.802 --> 00:44:28.572 Even though they treated me like family, 958 00:44:28.572 --> 00:44:32.141 they stood up for me. - He's stuck in the middle, 959 00:44:32.141 --> 00:44:36.376 but my brother was, it was kinda hard 'cause he really, 960 00:44:36.376 --> 00:44:38.058 he didn't really wanna take no sides, 961 00:44:38.058 --> 00:44:40.366 but what's right is right, what's wrong is wrong, 962 00:44:40.366 --> 00:44:42.338 but after he talked to my cousin, my cousin said 963 00:44:42.338 --> 00:44:44.560 he didn't mean to do it. - And I went to him 964 00:44:44.560 --> 00:44:46.698 and I asked him, "What happened?" 965 00:44:46.698 --> 00:44:50.212 He was looking, he had this look on his face that 966 00:44:50.212 --> 00:44:53.236 he was looking like he was hurt and sad. 967 00:44:53.236 --> 00:44:56.110 He looked like he was in shame, put it that way, 968 00:44:56.110 --> 00:44:57.570 and he would explain to me, 969 00:44:57.570 --> 00:44:59.298 he said, "I was playing with a gun," 970 00:44:59.298 --> 00:45:02.021 Cause was the other guy involved, he said that he put Yak 971 00:45:02.021 --> 00:45:03.968 in a headlock, "I pointed the gun in his face, 972 00:45:03.968 --> 00:45:07.142 "and the gun accidentally went off, so we ran," 973 00:45:07.142 --> 00:45:10.059 and I was like, "Man, if it's an accident, 974 00:45:10.059 --> 00:45:12.472 "you should turn yourself in," and the reason why 975 00:45:12.472 --> 00:45:14.674 I felt like he should turn himself in because, one, 976 00:45:14.674 --> 00:45:16.729 I didn't really feel comfortable with my cousin Roddy 977 00:45:16.729 --> 00:45:19.353 actually killing Kadafi, it was a close friend of mine 978 00:45:19.353 --> 00:45:20.845 just walking around like that. 979 00:45:20.845 --> 00:45:24.285 I felt like something had to, something should be done, 980 00:45:24.285 --> 00:45:26.766 but of course, Roddy is my cousin and I love my cousin, 981 00:45:26.766 --> 00:45:28.664 so I don't want nothing bad to happen to him, 982 00:45:28.664 --> 00:45:30.539 so I just figure, man, you should turn yourself in 983 00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:33.370 to face responsibility, you know what I mean? 984 00:45:33.370 --> 00:45:35.439 If it's an accident, you have to, because I looked at it, 985 00:45:35.439 --> 00:45:37.289 if he would've ran, then it would've 986 00:45:37.289 --> 00:45:38.772 looked like it wasn't an accident. 987 00:45:38.772 --> 00:45:40.631 Eventually, he turned himself in, 988 00:45:40.631 --> 00:45:44.469 and he did about 10 to 12 years in prison for that. 989 00:45:44.469 --> 00:45:46.849 - My brother understood him, I guess he forgave him, man. 990 00:45:46.849 --> 00:45:49.346 Man, but his family didn't forgive him, 991 00:45:49.346 --> 00:45:50.568 but that's understanding. 992 00:45:50.568 --> 00:45:52.355 If somebody killed my family member, 993 00:45:52.355 --> 00:45:54.382 they said that I was high on drugs, I'm sorry, 994 00:45:54.382 --> 00:45:56.184 I'd probably have a hard time forgiving him, too, 995 00:45:56.184 --> 00:45:59.566 so I understand that, but my brother forgave my cousin, 996 00:45:59.566 --> 00:46:02.062 but it still was difficult for him. 997 00:46:02.062 --> 00:46:03.872 - It felt like, man I couldn't believe that, 998 00:46:03.872 --> 00:46:06.162 one, I lost my grandmother, then Tupac, 999 00:46:06.162 --> 00:46:09.104 and then Kadafi, man, I couldn't believe it. 1000 00:46:09.104 --> 00:46:12.038 After that, I just started to basically, 1001 00:46:12.038 --> 00:46:14.245 we started to give up, 'cause you losing 1002 00:46:14.245 --> 00:46:16.073 everybody around you, what do you do? 1003 00:46:16.073 --> 00:46:17.949 The only thing that I wanted to do after that 1004 00:46:17.949 --> 00:46:19.191 is get high and drunk. 1005 00:46:19.191 --> 00:46:20.825 Every single day of my life after that, 1006 00:46:20.825 --> 00:46:23.673 I made sure that I was numb. 1007 00:46:23.673 --> 00:46:26.603 After the death of Kadafi and the death of Tupac, 1008 00:46:26.603 --> 00:46:29.639 I get a phone call one day, and I think this all 1009 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.230 was in the same year, man, that's what made it even hard. 1010 00:46:32.230 --> 00:46:35.279 I get a phone call from my aunt, and she said, 1011 00:46:35.279 --> 00:46:38.684 "Somebody just jumped your brother." 1012 00:46:38.684 --> 00:46:42.892 Seike, Sleek, he was named after my father. 1013 00:46:42.892 --> 00:46:44.924 We knew him growing up, but I can't recall 1014 00:46:44.924 --> 00:46:46.490 when he came in our life. 1015 00:46:46.490 --> 00:46:49.067 We was close with him, we spent a lot of time with him, 1016 00:46:49.067 --> 00:46:51.684 he used to come visit us on the weekend, so we was close. 1017 00:46:51.684 --> 00:46:53.534 - The way his face and his head, it was swollen 1018 00:46:53.534 --> 00:46:56.539 as if somebody jumped him, so when he went to the hospital, 1019 00:46:56.539 --> 00:46:58.974 the doctor at the hospital, he looked at him and he said 1020 00:46:58.974 --> 00:47:00.938 it looked as if he got jumped with pipes, 1021 00:47:00.938 --> 00:47:03.323 like somebody beat him with pipes and a bat, 1022 00:47:03.323 --> 00:47:06.262 not knowing all this time that he had a bullet in his head. 1023 00:47:06.262 --> 00:47:11.073 Come to find out that he shot himself in the head. 1024 00:47:11.073 --> 00:47:13.328 I do remember that some people in my family, 1025 00:47:13.328 --> 00:47:15.419 they used to refer to him as their step-brother, 1026 00:47:15.419 --> 00:47:18.335 and I remember at a young age, when they used to say, 1027 00:47:18.335 --> 00:47:20.332 "This is your stepbrother, this is your stepbrother," 1028 00:47:20.332 --> 00:47:22.371 in actuality, this is actually my father's son, 1029 00:47:22.371 --> 00:47:23.642 so he's my brother. 1030 00:47:23.642 --> 00:47:26.248 It's some times that we felt like some of the family members 1031 00:47:26.248 --> 00:47:29.499 ain't really, you know, we ain't open up to him 1032 00:47:29.499 --> 00:47:30.969 like we should've, put it that way. 1033 00:47:30.969 --> 00:47:33.763 I think my brother Seike, he was hurt on the inside 1034 00:47:33.763 --> 00:47:37.210 because he felt like he didn't fit in like the rest of us. 1035 00:47:37.210 --> 00:47:39.837 - Seike affected more lives, you know what I'm saying? 1036 00:47:39.837 --> 00:47:44.170 He was already a heavy drinker, a real intense dude, 1037 00:47:46.361 --> 00:47:48.166 (laughing) for lack of a better word, 1038 00:47:48.166 --> 00:47:50.289 and I think that just added to it. 1039 00:47:50.289 --> 00:47:53.705 It added to all of us, but not as much as Mu, 1040 00:47:53.705 --> 00:47:55.808 'cause we all loved Seike, too. 1041 00:47:55.808 --> 00:47:58.999 Seike was a good guy, and we had a lot of love for him, 1042 00:47:58.999 --> 00:48:02.914 so it's never good when you lose somebody close to you. 1043 00:48:02.914 --> 00:48:05.436 It's never a good thing. - Basically, I felt like 1044 00:48:05.436 --> 00:48:07.666 I was losing my mind, I almost lost my mind. 1045 00:48:07.666 --> 00:48:10.110 I turned to drugs, I started experimenting 1046 00:48:10.110 --> 00:48:12.902 with different drugs, I was getting drunk every single day. 1047 00:48:12.902 --> 00:48:14.740 To the point that I won't never walk out of my house 1048 00:48:14.740 --> 00:48:16.846 without being drunk, it was a time of my life, 1049 00:48:16.846 --> 00:48:19.327 a five year period that, every single day for five years, 1050 00:48:19.327 --> 00:48:23.198 I was intoxicated and this was how I wanted to live my life. 1051 00:48:23.198 --> 00:48:26.066 - Everyday at 6:30, he would get a bottle of Hennessy 1052 00:48:26.066 --> 00:48:29.914 and some Coke, and he would drink everyday nonstop, 1053 00:48:29.914 --> 00:48:32.569 and walked around with a gun, always wanted to fight, 1054 00:48:32.569 --> 00:48:35.031 always wanted to start trouble, always looked for trouble. 1055 00:48:35.031 --> 00:48:37.389 - He started getting heavy in that liquor, 1056 00:48:37.389 --> 00:48:39.452 trying anybody, he had a death wish. 1057 00:48:39.452 --> 00:48:42.421 He'd go up on anybody, smack 'em. 1058 00:48:42.421 --> 00:48:43.530 - Every other day I was going 1059 00:48:43.530 --> 00:48:45.701 to nightclubs just to start fights. 1060 00:48:45.701 --> 00:48:47.932 I just had so much anger in me at that time. 1061 00:48:47.932 --> 00:48:49.888 I didn't wanna live or I didn't really care. 1062 00:48:49.888 --> 00:48:51.805 I just gave up on life. 1063 00:48:52.829 --> 00:48:54.654 We was back in Los Angeles at this time. 1064 00:48:54.654 --> 00:48:58.849 We signed a small contract with Death Row Records. 1065 00:48:58.849 --> 00:49:02.029 - And, my brother and them, they needed to make some money. 1066 00:49:02.029 --> 00:49:03.439 They had to take care of their family, 1067 00:49:03.439 --> 00:49:05.393 had to take care of themselves, they had bills, 1068 00:49:05.393 --> 00:49:08.681 so the only people that came to them was Suge. 1069 00:49:08.681 --> 00:49:10.940 From there on out, it didn't work out. 1070 00:49:10.940 --> 00:49:13.518 - We wanted to make music, even though it was hard 1071 00:49:13.518 --> 00:49:15.483 without Kadafi and without Pac actually being 1072 00:49:15.483 --> 00:49:17.784 in the same studio that we used to record 1073 00:49:17.784 --> 00:49:21.037 with Pac and Kadafi, so we went into the recording studio. 1074 00:49:21.037 --> 00:49:23.159 This is what we knew. 1075 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.549 We started our own company called Outlaw Records, 1076 00:49:25.549 --> 00:49:27.911 and we started to make our own money independent 1077 00:49:27.911 --> 00:49:29.192 because we'd put a record out there, 1078 00:49:29.192 --> 00:49:31.043 sell about two or 300,000 copies, 1079 00:49:31.043 --> 00:49:33.606 and we was getting about $10 a CD, 1080 00:49:33.606 --> 00:49:36.187 so $10 of every copy was going to us, 1081 00:49:36.187 --> 00:49:37.886 so we was making a little bit of money. 1082 00:49:37.886 --> 00:49:40.609 So, we did a small tour, we went to Germany, 1083 00:49:40.609 --> 00:49:42.672 different places around the world. 1084 00:49:42.672 --> 00:49:45.502 As far as success for my personal life, I remember, 1085 00:49:45.502 --> 00:49:49.165 I had homes, I had my own house. 1086 00:49:49.165 --> 00:49:50.733 I thought that this was the American dream. 1087 00:49:50.733 --> 00:49:52.569 I remember I bought a house in a gated community, 1088 00:49:52.569 --> 00:49:54.297 all million dollar houses. 1089 00:49:54.297 --> 00:49:57.645 I'm probably the youngest homeowner in that estate. 1090 00:49:57.645 --> 00:49:59.937 Only African American in that estate. 1091 00:49:59.937 --> 00:50:03.417 It was a gated community, and I just felt like I made it, 1092 00:50:03.417 --> 00:50:06.073 but one of the things that was missing was happiness, 1093 00:50:06.073 --> 00:50:07.950 and I used to think that happiness, 1094 00:50:07.950 --> 00:50:09.721 well maybe I was in this house too long, 1095 00:50:09.721 --> 00:50:11.039 and I went and bought another house, 1096 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:12.174 and I went and bought another house. 1097 00:50:12.174 --> 00:50:14.652 At this particular time in my life, I had a townhouse 1098 00:50:14.652 --> 00:50:16.983 and I had two other houses, I had three houses, 1099 00:50:16.983 --> 00:50:21.115 but I was very depressed. - I saw him struggle. 1100 00:50:21.115 --> 00:50:25.115 I saw him just, he was heavy in alcohol, he was, 1101 00:50:27.782 --> 00:50:31.753 and I feel him, and if you know Mu's history, 1102 00:50:31.753 --> 00:50:35.408 you know about his family and his parents being killed, 1103 00:50:35.408 --> 00:50:39.884 and I was like, man, this dude is dealing with so much. 1104 00:50:39.884 --> 00:50:42.430 So, I seen him wild out with the girls, 1105 00:50:42.430 --> 00:50:45.379 wild out, drinking alcohol, getting drunk, fighting. 1106 00:50:45.379 --> 00:50:50.379 - In the studio, I remember, he was always liquored up. 1107 00:50:50.518 --> 00:50:53.483 He was always liquored up and smoking weed, 1108 00:50:53.483 --> 00:50:55.773 so he was always a little belligerent 1109 00:50:55.773 --> 00:50:59.013 and a little more physically active 1110 00:50:59.013 --> 00:51:02.076 than the rest of The Outlawz. - So once he start drinking, 1111 00:51:02.076 --> 00:51:04.597 I guess it'd numb away his pain and make him 1112 00:51:04.597 --> 00:51:07.004 forget about reality and he'd live in that moment, 1113 00:51:07.004 --> 00:51:11.515 so it'd become addictive, and everyday he would drink, 1114 00:51:11.515 --> 00:51:13.601 and for me, I used to always tell him, like man, 1115 00:51:13.601 --> 00:51:14.903 you need to stop drinking, man. 1116 00:51:14.903 --> 00:51:18.748 He wasn't like someone that's drinking everyday spitting up. 1117 00:51:18.748 --> 00:51:20.487 He can drink and you'll never know he was drunk, 1118 00:51:20.487 --> 00:51:22.785 that's probably how much he was immune to it. 1119 00:51:22.785 --> 00:51:24.614 - At that time in my life, man, I was going through 1120 00:51:24.614 --> 00:51:27.201 something serious because, in the inside of me 1121 00:51:27.201 --> 00:51:30.290 I wanted happiness, but at the same time, 1122 00:51:30.290 --> 00:51:34.289 I was giving up on life. (angelic music) 1123 00:51:34.289 --> 00:51:36.147 The night in the studio when I got into a fight 1124 00:51:36.147 --> 00:51:38.649 with my little brother, man, I was drunk out of my mind, 1125 00:51:38.649 --> 00:51:40.145 and I got into an argument with him 1126 00:51:40.145 --> 00:51:41.716 and he said something I didn't like, 1127 00:51:41.716 --> 00:51:44.103 so immediately, I just started fighting. 1128 00:51:44.103 --> 00:51:46.351 - Going off, I always talk back. 1129 00:51:46.351 --> 00:51:49.341 Mu say something, I always got something to say. 1130 00:51:49.341 --> 00:51:52.365 Disrespectful, and we just started fighting. 1131 00:51:52.365 --> 00:51:54.442 - When I had him on the ground, man, I basically was 1132 00:51:54.442 --> 00:51:57.034 hitting his head against the ground to the point 1133 00:51:57.034 --> 00:52:00.843 that he started to bleed. - When Mu seen I was bleeding, 1134 00:52:00.843 --> 00:52:02.514 I had to get all them stitches in my head 1135 00:52:02.514 --> 00:52:04.971 'cause I hit my head on a window that had bars. 1136 00:52:04.971 --> 00:52:06.862 - And, it happened to be a Muslim brother 1137 00:52:06.862 --> 00:52:09.267 who was in the studio with us at that time, 1138 00:52:09.267 --> 00:52:12.434 but he was in another session. - Walked into the studio, 1139 00:52:12.434 --> 00:52:15.113 there's blood everywhere! 1140 00:52:15.113 --> 00:52:19.613 I mean, tables are turned over, chairs are everywhere, 1141 00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.725 recording equipment is laid out everywhere. 1142 00:52:24.725 --> 00:52:26.817 - After hearing the commotion and seeing the fight 1143 00:52:26.817 --> 00:52:29.249 or whatever, he came outside and he calmed me down, 1144 00:52:29.249 --> 00:52:31.335 and he started to speak to me. 1145 00:52:31.335 --> 00:52:34.168 - After what happened, I asked him 1146 00:52:35.421 --> 00:52:39.171 if that was his brother's blood on the floor, 1147 00:52:40.337 --> 00:52:42.539 and he said, "What?" 1148 00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:46.796 I said, "Is that your brother's blood on the floor?" 1149 00:52:46.796 --> 00:52:50.128 And he said, "Yeah," I said, "That's your mother's blood 1150 00:52:50.128 --> 00:52:52.433 "and your father's blood also." 1151 00:52:52.433 --> 00:52:54.704 I said, "Can I ask you something?" 1152 00:52:54.704 --> 00:52:56.295 And he said, "Yes." 1153 00:52:56.295 --> 00:53:00.183 I said, "Imagine tomorrow waking up sober 1154 00:53:00.183 --> 00:53:03.221 "and realizing that you killed your brother. 1155 00:53:03.221 --> 00:53:05.441 "How would you feel about that?" 1156 00:53:05.441 --> 00:53:07.880 And, tears started coming down, coming from his eyes, 1157 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.850 and I knew that that was checkmate. 1158 00:53:10.850 --> 00:53:14.158 I knew that was the turning point for him. 1159 00:53:14.158 --> 00:53:16.302 (angelic music) - And he kinda basically, 1160 00:53:16.302 --> 00:53:17.666 I remember he kept in touch with me 1161 00:53:17.666 --> 00:53:20.129 and always asked me to come to the Majid, and for awhile 1162 00:53:20.129 --> 00:53:22.499 I was ignoring him, and when I first went up there, 1163 00:53:22.499 --> 00:53:23.878 I remember I went up there deep, 1164 00:53:23.878 --> 00:53:27.225 about 20 or 30 boys with me, and I went in there expecting 1165 00:53:27.225 --> 00:53:29.451 that it's just gonna be like how I roll everywhere else 1166 00:53:29.451 --> 00:53:31.719 with a posse or crew and we're just gonna hang out, 1167 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:33.515 but when I went there, that's when I seen 1168 00:53:33.515 --> 00:53:35.466 something different that basically inclined Mutah 1169 00:53:35.466 --> 00:53:39.293 to wanna know more about what these people was upon. 1170 00:53:39.293 --> 00:53:42.710 - And, so more and more he wanted to know 1171 00:53:45.136 --> 00:53:49.136 more about where my inner peace was coming from. 1172 00:53:50.032 --> 00:53:51.311 - He started explaining to me a little about 1173 00:53:51.311 --> 00:53:53.823 the religion of Islam and prayer time came, 1174 00:53:53.823 --> 00:53:56.617 and he said, "You should pray with us." 1175 00:53:56.617 --> 00:53:58.805 I said, "Naw, come on, man," I felt a little hesitant. 1176 00:53:58.805 --> 00:54:00.468 He was like, "Naw, come pray with me, get up." 1177 00:54:00.468 --> 00:54:02.483 I said, "Man, I don't know how to pray, I don't pray. 1178 00:54:02.483 --> 00:54:03.788 "What should I say?" 1179 00:54:03.788 --> 00:54:04.939 He said, "Just go with the motions, 1180 00:54:04.939 --> 00:54:06.717 "and you could ask God for anything. 1181 00:54:06.717 --> 00:54:09.107 "Whatever you wanna talk to God with, you can talk to God." 1182 00:54:09.107 --> 00:54:12.588 So, I remember, while I'm in the line with him, 1183 00:54:12.588 --> 00:54:14.785 everything he's doing, I'm actually looking at the side, 1184 00:54:14.785 --> 00:54:16.815 if he put his hands right here, I'd do it, 1185 00:54:16.815 --> 00:54:19.203 and I was just going with the motions with him, 1186 00:54:19.203 --> 00:54:21.621 and when I put my face down to the floor, 1187 00:54:21.621 --> 00:54:24.898 I actually started praying, and I remember, 1188 00:54:24.898 --> 00:54:27.197 for the first time in my life, I felt peace, 1189 00:54:27.197 --> 00:54:30.437 because this actually was the first time that I remember 1190 00:54:30.437 --> 00:54:33.162 putting my face on the floor praying to God. 1191 00:54:33.162 --> 00:54:35.214 That same night, when I went home, 1192 00:54:35.214 --> 00:54:37.187 I actually started reading the Quran. 1193 00:54:37.187 --> 00:54:39.438 This is a book, I always heard of the Quran, 1194 00:54:39.438 --> 00:54:42.681 I knew that this was a book that the Muslims read. 1195 00:54:42.681 --> 00:54:45.022 I just never really paid too much attention to it. 1196 00:54:45.022 --> 00:54:48.617 I never really thought about it as being something serious, 1197 00:54:48.617 --> 00:54:51.332 but that day, I said, "Let me read." 1198 00:54:51.332 --> 00:54:54.583 I started to pay attention to the words in that book, 1199 00:54:54.583 --> 00:54:56.945 and I said, "Wow, it's as if it's talking to me," 1200 00:54:56.945 --> 00:54:58.352 and I said, "There is no way on earth 1201 00:54:58.352 --> 00:55:00.310 "a man could come up with these words." 1202 00:55:00.310 --> 00:55:04.374 And, I was around people like Pac, like I said before, Pac, 1203 00:55:04.374 --> 00:55:06.651 he was a genius when it came to writing raps, 1204 00:55:06.651 --> 00:55:08.447 and I'm talkin', man, it's not too many rappers 1205 00:55:08.447 --> 00:55:10.340 that can come to the level of Pac 1206 00:55:10.340 --> 00:55:13.243 when it come to writing even poetry. 1207 00:55:13.243 --> 00:55:16.869 My own parents, as far as I know, my mother and father, 1208 00:55:16.869 --> 00:55:19.430 they was part of the Nation of Islam. 1209 00:55:19.430 --> 00:55:21.183 When I found out that the people that killed 1210 00:55:21.183 --> 00:55:23.318 my mother and father was from the Nation of Islam, 1211 00:55:23.318 --> 00:55:25.262 I actually thought that they was Muslims, 1212 00:55:25.262 --> 00:55:28.664 so I grew up having like a hatred towards Muslims 1213 00:55:28.664 --> 00:55:30.608 or hatred towards Islamic 'cause I thought that 1214 00:55:30.608 --> 00:55:33.008 these were the people that killed my mother and father. 1215 00:55:33.008 --> 00:55:36.338 - Parents were Muslims, and Muslims killed his parents. 1216 00:55:36.338 --> 00:55:40.718 So, he had every, he couldn't stand no Muslim. 1217 00:55:40.718 --> 00:55:43.558 - I said, "Let me go watch the Malcolm X movie again," 1218 00:55:43.558 --> 00:55:45.618 and when I watched it, to be honest, this is the first time 1219 00:55:45.618 --> 00:55:48.193 that I watched it sober, and I really paid attention 1220 00:55:48.193 --> 00:55:50.733 to the movie, and that's when I really, even though, 1221 00:55:50.733 --> 00:55:52.864 I always knew that he left the Nation of Islam, 1222 00:55:52.864 --> 00:55:55.136 but he actually exposed them to let 'em know 1223 00:55:55.136 --> 00:55:57.094 that his is not Islam, the Nation of Islam 1224 00:55:57.094 --> 00:55:59.416 and the religion of Islam, two different religions. 1225 00:55:59.416 --> 00:56:00.993 - After the death of Malcolm X, 1226 00:56:00.993 --> 00:56:04.748 and Malcolm X going to Saudi Arabia and exposing 1227 00:56:04.748 --> 00:56:07.661 the Nation of Islam, my father and mother, 1228 00:56:07.661 --> 00:56:09.432 they left the Nation of Islam and they became 1229 00:56:09.432 --> 00:56:12.294 Orthodox Sunni Muslims, but when I seen 1230 00:56:12.294 --> 00:56:14.653 the Malcolm X movie again, and at the same time, 1231 00:56:14.653 --> 00:56:16.949 I was reading literature of the Quran and things like that, 1232 00:56:16.949 --> 00:56:19.532 it let me know that I shouldn't hate a whole group of people 1233 00:56:19.532 --> 00:56:21.596 for what somebody did to my mother and father 1234 00:56:21.596 --> 00:56:25.660 that actually didn't even belong to that religion. 1235 00:56:25.660 --> 00:56:27.580 - Right after that, I remember saying, "Man, 1236 00:56:27.580 --> 00:56:29.555 "I need to go to Hajj, that place where Malcolm X 1237 00:56:29.555 --> 00:56:31.404 "went to a Mecca, it changed his life, 1238 00:56:31.404 --> 00:56:34.065 "I need to change my life." 1239 00:56:34.065 --> 00:56:35.799 So, I accepted the religion of Islam, 1240 00:56:35.799 --> 00:56:38.692 and a few months later, (mumbling) went to Hajj. 1241 00:56:38.692 --> 00:56:40.536 It was something that you felt that was different 1242 00:56:40.536 --> 00:56:43.052 that I never felt before, to see people from all 1243 00:56:43.052 --> 00:56:45.581 walks of life, from all different races, 1244 00:56:45.581 --> 00:56:47.679 from all different, so many different countries, 1245 00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:49.544 I've never witnessed nothing like that in my life, 1246 00:56:49.544 --> 00:56:51.368 to see people that you don't even know, 1247 00:56:51.368 --> 00:56:52.678 but they're calling you brother, 1248 00:56:52.678 --> 00:56:54.338 and they invite you to come eat with 'em. 1249 00:56:54.338 --> 00:56:56.009 It was almost too good to be true. 1250 00:56:56.009 --> 00:56:58.433 I didn't believe that people actually exist on this earth 1251 00:56:58.433 --> 00:57:00.894 that just, with this brotherhood. 1252 00:57:00.894 --> 00:57:03.492 I didn't believe that it existed. 1253 00:57:03.492 --> 00:57:05.661 - He went over there, and when he came back, 1254 00:57:05.661 --> 00:57:09.367 he had this story about it that was amazing, 1255 00:57:09.367 --> 00:57:12.700 and he was definitely a changed brother. 1256 00:57:13.698 --> 00:57:17.970 - When I returned back to American, man, I remember 1257 00:57:17.970 --> 00:57:20.200 everything was looking different to me. 1258 00:57:20.200 --> 00:57:23.170 In fact, because this was actually the first time in my life 1259 00:57:23.170 --> 00:57:25.330 I spent two weeks without my cell phone, 1260 00:57:25.330 --> 00:57:27.016 two weeks without talking business, 1261 00:57:27.016 --> 00:57:29.420 two weeks in the middle of a desert just contemplating 1262 00:57:29.420 --> 00:57:31.999 and praying to God, so when I came back, of course, 1263 00:57:31.999 --> 00:57:34.982 naturally I didn't wanna be around the stuff that I left. 1264 00:57:34.982 --> 00:57:37.440 I didn't wanna, The Outlawz was on tour. 1265 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.856 I couldn't see myself onstage at that time, 1266 00:57:39.856 --> 00:57:42.447 rapping around cuss words, I couldn't see myself going back 1267 00:57:42.447 --> 00:57:45.018 to a lot of what I was trying to run away from, 1268 00:57:45.018 --> 00:57:47.474 so that's when I called The Outlawz up and I said, 1269 00:57:47.474 --> 00:57:49.836 "To be honest, I'm not gonna meet y'all on tour," 1270 00:57:49.836 --> 00:57:52.613 and that was the last time I ever toured with The Outlawz 1271 00:57:52.613 --> 00:57:55.098 or ever been in a group with 'em. 1272 00:57:55.098 --> 00:57:57.504 I just started trying to get my life together. 1273 00:57:57.504 --> 00:57:59.121 I came back as a whole nother person, man, 1274 00:57:59.121 --> 00:58:00.836 I looked at life different after that. 1275 00:58:00.836 --> 00:58:04.240 Prior to Islam, man, I was very aggressive, very angry, 1276 00:58:04.240 --> 00:58:07.008 and it wasn't nothing for me to take my anger out 1277 00:58:07.008 --> 00:58:08.830 on an individual and hurt someone. 1278 00:58:08.830 --> 00:58:11.206 It was the first time in my life that I even read about 1279 00:58:11.206 --> 00:58:12.931 something that gave the rights to a woman, 1280 00:58:12.931 --> 00:58:15.860 and put a woman in such a high status, 1281 00:58:15.860 --> 00:58:18.010 coming from the music industry, I never looked at a woman 1282 00:58:18.010 --> 00:58:21.289 in that way in my life, and for the first time in my life, 1283 00:58:21.289 --> 00:58:25.598 I actually would think about, before I do an action, 1284 00:58:25.598 --> 00:58:28.309 or before I try to hurt someone. 1285 00:58:28.309 --> 00:58:30.785 Eventually, I walked away from the music industry, 1286 00:58:30.785 --> 00:58:32.722 but at the same time, I felt like 1287 00:58:32.722 --> 00:58:34.222 something was still missing. 1288 00:58:34.222 --> 00:58:36.600 I just felt like it wasn't for me to walk away 1289 00:58:36.600 --> 00:58:38.458 from the music industry and actually just sit 1290 00:58:38.458 --> 00:58:40.621 in my living room, or sit in my room, and I sit, 1291 00:58:40.621 --> 00:58:43.064 I felt like I still needed to put the message out, 1292 00:58:43.064 --> 00:58:45.712 or still had a voice that I wanted to speak to the youth, 1293 00:58:45.712 --> 00:58:47.155 and that's when I decided to get on 1294 00:58:47.155 --> 00:58:49.787 and get into motivational speaking. 1295 00:58:49.787 --> 00:58:53.550 As-salamu alaykum. - Wa-Alaikum-Salaam. 1296 00:58:53.550 --> 00:58:55.448 - That's when I lost contact with Yafeu, 1297 00:58:55.448 --> 00:58:57.232 and I happened to run into his mother, 1298 00:58:57.232 --> 00:58:59.213 and when I asked how he was doing, she said that 1299 00:58:59.213 --> 00:59:01.873 Yafeu was trying to pursue a career in the music industry, 1300 00:59:01.873 --> 00:59:03.522 and she said that, in fact, he has a brother 1301 00:59:03.522 --> 00:59:05.289 by the name of Tupac Shakur. 1302 00:59:05.289 --> 00:59:06.588 Because I felt like one of the reasons 1303 00:59:06.588 --> 00:59:08.302 I actually got into the music industry 1304 00:59:08.302 --> 00:59:09.911 because I had a voice, I had something 1305 00:59:09.911 --> 00:59:12.946 that I wanted to speak, but you don't have to be caught up 1306 00:59:12.946 --> 00:59:14.879 in that lifestyle thinking that this is the only way 1307 00:59:14.879 --> 00:59:17.172 that's gonna bring happiness to you, so I felt like 1308 00:59:17.172 --> 00:59:20.290 I had to come back to the kids and let 'em know that 1309 00:59:20.290 --> 00:59:23.851 there's a better way. - I think that it's great 1310 00:59:23.851 --> 00:59:26.420 that Napoleon is a motivational speaker 1311 00:59:26.420 --> 00:59:30.420 because he's speaking from a real point-of-view. 1312 00:59:31.522 --> 00:59:33.750 - Well, when I looked at him, he definitely inspired me 1313 00:59:33.750 --> 00:59:36.518 to wanna give back to the youth 1314 00:59:36.518 --> 00:59:38.391 and give back to the community. 1315 00:59:38.391 --> 00:59:41.026 - No matter what you goin' through in life, 1316 00:59:41.026 --> 00:59:44.280 you can change, 'causes he's living proof of it. 1317 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.421 - He's a strong brother, he's making the big impact 1318 00:59:47.421 --> 00:59:49.757 on a lot of people, Muslim and non-Muslim, 1319 00:59:49.757 --> 00:59:52.731 and personally, I'm striving to be more like him. 1320 00:59:52.731 --> 00:59:54.364 - He's doing, he's a motivational speaker now, 1321 00:59:54.364 --> 00:59:56.899 he's all over the world, so he's trying. 1322 00:59:56.899 --> 00:59:59.386 I think he's really, it can be a good thing. 1323 00:59:59.386 --> 01:00:01.157 - 'Cause the dude did a straight 180 1324 01:00:01.157 --> 01:00:04.328 and turned his whole life around, and I seen it can work. 1325 01:00:04.328 --> 01:00:07.365 I seen it can happen, you could definitely do it. 1326 01:00:07.365 --> 01:00:10.499 - Overall man, my brother, he's a different person now, man, 1327 01:00:10.499 --> 01:00:12.453 he helping others, he helping people now. 1328 01:00:12.453 --> 01:00:14.938 - I basically gave up on life, and I used to say, man, 1329 01:00:14.938 --> 01:00:16.694 if me living and breathing on earth 1330 01:00:16.694 --> 01:00:18.784 and it's this painful for me, there is no need 1331 01:00:18.784 --> 01:00:21.392 for me to live anymore, and I actually used to just wanna 1332 01:00:21.392 --> 01:00:24.703 give up on life, but after accepting the religion of Islam, 1333 01:00:24.703 --> 01:00:28.111 it basically gave me a whole new meaning of life, 1334 01:00:28.111 --> 01:00:29.745 so for the first time in my life, 1335 01:00:29.745 --> 01:00:31.962 I had some hope for something positive. 1336 01:00:31.962 --> 01:00:34.962 (slow choir music)