WEBVTT 00:06.000 --> 00:08.166 [hold music playing over phone] 00:15.416 --> 00:17.083 -[phone beeps] -[automated voice] Welcome to Skytours. 00:17.166 --> 00:19.291 For flight information, please press one. 00:19.708 --> 00:22.125 If you're calling about a new booking, press two. 00:22.291 --> 00:24.791 -If you're calling about an existing-- -[phone beeps] 00:24.875 --> 00:25.833 [automated voice] Did you know 00:25.916 --> 00:27.875 that our discount prices are Internet-only? 00:27.958 --> 00:29.416 [man] Ah, yes, good morning. 00:29.666 --> 00:31.333 -I'm looking to book a-- - If you still wish to speak 00:31.416 --> 00:34.166 to an operator, please press one. 00:34.375 --> 00:37.125 -[phone beeps] -[hold music plays on phone] 00:37.208 --> 00:40.416 [operator] Good morning, and welcome to the Skytours sales desk. 00:40.500 --> 00:42.125 [man] Good morning. Um... 00:42.500 --> 00:45.541 I am looking for a flight from Rome to Lampedusa. 00:45.625 --> 00:46.708 [operator] Yes? 00:46.791 --> 00:48.916 [man] I-- I know I can book it on the Internet, 00:49.000 --> 00:51.875 but, uh, you know, I've only just moved here. 00:52.583 --> 00:53.583 [operator] Name? 00:53.666 --> 00:55.250 Bergoglio. Jorge Bergoglio. 00:56.083 --> 00:57.333 [operator] Like the pope? 00:57.583 --> 01:00.666 [Bergoglio chuckles] Oh, well... Well, yes. Uh, in fact, um-- 01:00.750 --> 01:01.750 [operator] Postcode? 01:03.041 --> 01:06.541 [Bergoglio] I'm-- I'm not sure, um... Vatican City. 01:07.166 --> 01:08.916 [operator snickers] Very funny. 01:09.000 --> 01:11.041 [dial tone buzzes] 01:11.125 --> 01:13.291 [choral music playing] 01:13.375 --> 01:15.541 [children shouting] 01:18.041 --> 01:21.166 [Bergoglio, in Spanish] Once, a young man was walking 01:21.250 --> 01:22.291 in the woods. 01:25.041 --> 01:28.083 His name was Francesco Bernardone. 01:30.041 --> 01:32.625 Suddenly, he found a chapel... 01:32.708 --> 01:34.458 ruined, 01:34.541 --> 01:37.791 with the walls destroyed. 01:37.875 --> 01:39.083 He stepped inside. 01:39.791 --> 01:41.916 A crucifix was still there, 01:42.541 --> 01:45.041 where the altar had been. 01:45.125 --> 01:46.500 [indistinct chatter] 01:46.583 --> 01:51.500 [Bergoglio] Francesco felt captivated. 01:52.125 --> 01:54.458 The crucifix spoke to him and said, 01:54.750 --> 01:57.791 “Francesco, repair my Church.” 01:57.875 --> 02:00.083 [man shouting] 02:00.166 --> 02:02.375 [Bergoglio] Francesco was a practical man. 02:02.458 --> 02:05.125 He went up to the quarry on Mount Subasio, 02:05.458 --> 02:06.958 cut stones, 02:07.916 --> 02:09.500 carted them down the mountain, 02:10.291 --> 02:13.333 and repaired the broken walls. 02:15.500 --> 02:17.083 [over speakers] Any journey, 02:17.875 --> 02:19.458 no matter how long... 02:20.500 --> 02:22.875 has to start somewhere. 02:22.958 --> 02:23.875 [feedback squeals] 02:23.958 --> 02:27.208 [Bergoglio] Any journey, no matter how glorious, 02:27.708 --> 02:29.416 can start with a mistake. 02:29.666 --> 02:33.125 So, when you feel lost, 02:33.208 --> 02:34.500 don’t worry. 02:35.416 --> 02:38.125 God will not give up. 02:38.708 --> 02:39.625 Understood? 02:39.708 --> 02:40.791 [crowd] Sí. 02:40.875 --> 02:42.083 Understood? 02:42.166 --> 02:44.250 [crowd] ¡Sí! 02:45.000 --> 02:46.458 [Bergoglio] I’ve been thinking... 02:46.541 --> 02:49.250 We have many troubles here. 02:51.083 --> 02:56.375 It’s not fair to leave it all to Our Lady. 02:56.875 --> 03:01.541 Who else could pray for us? 03:05.875 --> 03:07.666 Let's see... young man! 03:07.750 --> 03:08.791 What’s your name? 03:08.875 --> 03:10.458 -Lorenzo! -[Bergoglio] Ah! 03:10.541 --> 03:13.000 The name of my team, San Lorenzo! 03:13.083 --> 03:15.708 [crowd cheers and jeers] 03:17.000 --> 03:19.041 No, no, no, no. 03:22.833 --> 03:25.666 San Lorenzo, pray for us... 03:25.750 --> 03:27.625 [crowd replies] 03:27.708 --> 03:30.208 [indistinct chatter] 03:31.125 --> 03:35.333 [speaking Spanish] 03:35.416 --> 03:37.375 [church bell ringing] 03:37.458 --> 03:39.916 -[excited chatter] -[dance music playing on radio] 03:43.416 --> 03:45.416 [church bell continues ringing] 03:47.666 --> 03:48.583 [woman] Father. 03:48.750 --> 03:49.833 The pope... 03:51.208 --> 03:52.500 The pope has died. 04:01.083 --> 04:04.666 [solemn choral music playing] 04:06.750 --> 04:08.500 [Bergoglio, in Italian] Brothers and sisters, 04:08.750 --> 04:13.166 our beloved Holy Father John Paul II 04:13.500 --> 04:16.083 has returned to the Lord's house. 04:16.375 --> 04:18.625 [reporter, in English] He was a champion of human rights 04:18.708 --> 04:20.541 who fought for justice for the poor 04:20.625 --> 04:23.000 and reached out across all faiths for unity. 04:23.541 --> 04:26.416 But in sharp contrast, John Paul II's papacy 04:26.500 --> 04:29.166 also marked a clear end to liberalization 04:29.375 --> 04:31.875 and a return to the Church's harsh condemnation 04:31.958 --> 04:33.958 -of homosexuality, abortion... -[wind howling] 04:34.041 --> 04:34.916 ...contraception, 04:35.000 --> 04:37.541 and the ordination of women and married men. 04:37.625 --> 04:39.500 [indistinct chatter] 04:39.583 --> 04:40.666 [man, in Italian] This? 04:40.958 --> 04:44.000 [cardinal] Archbishop of Kiev, Cardinal Husar. 04:44.083 --> 04:44.916 [man] Good. 04:45.000 --> 04:46.041 This? 04:46.333 --> 04:48.208 Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria. 04:48.291 --> 04:50.708 Many say he will be the first African pope. 04:51.083 --> 04:52.500 Good. This? 04:54.625 --> 04:56.250 Bergoglio, Argentina. 04:56.750 --> 05:00.000 Leading advocate for reform. Very popular in-- 05:00.083 --> 05:01.291 I know who he is. 05:01.375 --> 05:02.208 [man] This? 05:03.083 --> 05:05.541 -[cardinal] Cardinal Martini. -[reporter 1] In Catholic churches, 05:05.625 --> 05:08.250 people are praying for cardinals in charge of electing the new pope. 05:08.333 --> 05:09.666 [reporter 2] ...farewell to the pope, 05:09.750 --> 05:11.958 the cardinals of the Catholic Church have gathered in Rome 05:12.041 --> 05:13.041 to elect a new pontiff... 05:13.375 --> 05:16.416 In Rome, 115 cardinals from 52 countries 05:16.500 --> 05:18.625 have been praying to elect a new pope. 05:18.708 --> 05:20.458 [reporter 3] ...prepared, deeply spiritual, 05:20.541 --> 05:22.416 but, nonetheless, very political. 05:22.500 --> 05:24.666 [reporter 4, in French] They will choose between tradition and reform. 05:24.750 --> 05:26.833 [reporter 5, in English] The media's predicting a dispute 05:26.916 --> 05:28.916 between the German conservative, Joseph Ratzinger, 05:29.000 --> 05:31.583 and the Italian reformist, Carlo Martini. 05:32.000 --> 05:34.166 [reporter 6] Ratzinger is a central figure in the Vatican 05:34.250 --> 05:37.208 and has long been considered the natural successor to John Paul II. 05:38.000 --> 05:41.125 -[Bergoglio whistling "Dancing Queen"] -[water running] 05:49.166 --> 05:51.458 [in Latin] What's the hymn you are whistling? 05:51.791 --> 05:53.041 "Dancing Queen." 05:55.916 --> 05:57.041 By ABBA. 05:57.333 --> 05:58.166 Ah! 05:58.666 --> 06:01.208 -[continues whistling "Dancing Queen"] -[in English] That's good. 06:01.291 --> 06:02.791 [chuckles] ABBA. 06:07.833 --> 06:09.000 [in Italian] Good afternoon. 06:09.083 --> 06:11.416 -[man] Buona sera. -[Ratzinger] Dobro pozhalovat. 06:11.500 --> 06:13.458 Buona sera. Willkommen. 06:13.958 --> 06:15.083 Benvenuti. 06:18.250 --> 06:21.750 [in Italian] The Church is too used to this glory. 06:22.000 --> 06:23.125 This is Europe... 06:24.208 --> 06:26.666 Our churches are beautiful but empty, 06:28.291 --> 06:30.125 like a fire covered in ash. 06:30.208 --> 06:33.125 We need someone to blow the ash away. 06:33.750 --> 06:34.583 You. 06:34.875 --> 06:37.708 Someone outside of Europe is better. 06:37.791 --> 06:39.666 [Bergoglio] No, Martini. Not me. 06:39.875 --> 06:42.083 -[Martini] Cardinale Ratzinger. -Ah... [chuckles] 06:43.125 --> 06:44.500 [chuckling] 06:44.583 --> 06:47.500 [in German] Thank you for the beautiful sermon. 06:47.958 --> 06:49.708 You are welcome. 06:50.291 --> 06:53.125 [in Portuguese] Cardinal Hummes, life was easier 06:53.208 --> 06:54.833 when everybody spoke Latin. 06:54.916 --> 06:55.916 Nice to see you. 06:56.000 --> 06:57.166 [chuckles] 06:57.458 --> 06:58.291 Ah. 06:58.958 --> 07:01.000 -[indistinct chatter] -Oh. [sighs] 07:01.833 --> 07:05.833 [in Spanish] No "nice to see you" for you, Jorge. 07:06.250 --> 07:07.083 No. 07:07.833 --> 07:10.625 -[bells ringing] -[all singing hymn in Latin] 07:31.541 --> 07:34.041 [camera shutter clicking] 07:43.625 --> 07:45.958 [in French] The cardinals are about to vote. 07:46.041 --> 07:47.750 [reporter 1, in English] ...cardinals make 07:47.833 --> 07:49.791 a formal procession into the Sistine Chapel... 07:49.875 --> 07:51.625 [reporter 2] The cardinals' only communication 07:51.708 --> 07:54.250 with the outside world will be through that chimney. 07:54.333 --> 07:55.875 White smoke means a new pope. 07:55.958 --> 07:57.583 ...black when there's no result. 07:57.666 --> 07:59.916 [media broadcasts in various languages overlap] 08:00.000 --> 08:01.250 [speaking Spanish] 08:01.333 --> 08:03.916 [instrumental version of "Dancing Queen" playing] 08:04.000 --> 08:05.583 [man speaking Latin] 08:08.791 --> 08:10.500 [reporter 3, in English] ...the Vatican this evening. 08:10.583 --> 08:13.250 The first ballot could be taking place right now. 08:13.333 --> 08:15.333 [reporter 4] There might be a vote today. 08:15.416 --> 08:17.833 ...grand doors have slammed shut and will remain... 08:17.916 --> 08:20.166 [speaking Spanish] 08:20.250 --> 08:23.041 [in English] Only then will we find out the identity of our new pope. 08:23.125 --> 08:24.750 -[doors slam] -[lock clicks] 08:39.291 --> 08:40.416 [bell chimes] 08:44.166 --> 08:46.333 [soft scratching] 08:47.666 --> 08:48.708 [pen clicks] 08:51.791 --> 08:52.625 [pen clicks] 08:53.375 --> 08:55.708 [Ratzinger, in Latin] I call as my witness Christ the Lord, 08:56.375 --> 08:59.166 who will judge me, that I elect the one who I deem... 08:59.708 --> 09:00.625 [pen clicks] 09:00.708 --> 09:04.208 ...should be chosen according to God. 09:08.541 --> 09:09.625 [clinks] 09:14.541 --> 09:17.500 [cardinals repeating vow] 09:17.583 --> 09:19.125 [clinks] 09:23.833 --> 09:25.041 [clinking echoing] 09:25.125 --> 09:26.625 [vows overlapping] 09:35.041 --> 09:36.666 [clangs] 09:53.625 --> 09:55.500 Martini Cardinalis. 09:58.458 --> 09:59.375 [reel squeaks] 10:02.250 --> 10:04.250 Bergoglio Cardinalis. 10:07.375 --> 10:08.583 [reel squeaks] 10:09.166 --> 10:11.125 Ratzinger Cardinalis. 10:12.666 --> 10:13.583 [reel squeaks] 10:15.583 --> 10:17.458 [scrutineer] Bergoglio Cardinalis. 10:18.833 --> 10:19.791 [reel squeaks] 10:21.416 --> 10:22.833 [scrutineer] Bergoglio Cardinalis. 10:22.916 --> 10:25.333 [echoing] Ratzinger Cardinalis. Ratzinger Cardinalis. 10:25.416 --> 10:28.500 Martini... Ratzinger... Bergoglio Cardinalis. 10:28.583 --> 10:31.625 [names overlapping indistinctly] 10:33.250 --> 10:34.500 [bell chimes] 10:36.000 --> 10:39.625 [in Italian] The results of the first scrutiny... 10:44.500 --> 10:48.166 Joseph Ratzinger, 47 votes. 10:49.458 --> 10:52.625 Jorge Bergoglio, ten votes. 10:53.291 --> 10:54.583 [latch clicks] 10:54.666 --> 10:56.583 [scrutineer] Carlo Maria Martini... 10:57.916 --> 10:59.166 nine votes. 10:59.250 --> 11:01.500 [machine whirs] 11:02.083 --> 11:04.000 [crowd groans] 11:04.708 --> 11:05.833 [in English] It is black. 11:06.125 --> 11:08.041 This means that no candidate has achieved... 11:08.125 --> 11:12.416 [in Spanish] ...no cardinal obtained the 77 votes needed. 11:14.541 --> 11:15.500 [excited chatter] 11:15.583 --> 11:17.250 [Bergoglio, in English] It's just ten votes. 11:17.333 --> 11:19.083 [Turkson] No one from the Southern Hemisphere 11:19.166 --> 11:20.166 has had so many before. 11:20.458 --> 11:23.500 -The world just tipped on its axis. -[Hummes] Martini got nine. 11:23.708 --> 11:26.625 So, it's 19 votes for a real change. 11:27.000 --> 11:29.958 If he tells his followers to transfer their votes to you-- 11:30.041 --> 11:32.791 Reform needs a politician. 11:33.541 --> 11:34.375 Hm? 11:34.666 --> 11:38.541 Transfer your votes to Martini. He has worked for reform for years. 11:38.625 --> 11:40.041 It's too late for that. 11:40.541 --> 11:41.375 What? 11:42.625 --> 11:46.791 [Hummes] He's already asked anyone who voted for him to vote for you instead. 11:47.375 --> 11:48.416 No, please. 11:48.583 --> 11:50.833 "The most important qualification for any leader 11:50.916 --> 11:52.083 is not wanting to be leader." 11:53.583 --> 11:54.416 Plato. 11:57.125 --> 11:57.958 So... 11:58.500 --> 12:00.583 that's why it must not be Ratzinger. 12:01.875 --> 12:03.125 He really wants it. 12:03.750 --> 12:05.708 I think the Church faces, uh, um, 12:05.791 --> 12:07.708 -a great danger. Serious danger. -[pen clicks] 12:07.791 --> 12:09.791 We need one common point of reference. 12:10.416 --> 12:13.625 -Only one unchanging, eternal truth. -[clatters] 12:13.708 --> 12:14.875 Only one unchanging... 12:14.958 --> 12:17.125 -Only one unchanging, eternal truth. -[clatters] 12:17.333 --> 12:21.333 You think he really wants it? Being pope is like being a martyr. 12:21.416 --> 12:22.708 [indistinct chatter] 12:26.250 --> 12:27.250 [bell chimes] 12:28.250 --> 12:29.833 [man speaking Italian] 12:35.833 --> 12:37.333 [scrutineer, in Italian] The results... 12:38.041 --> 12:40.125 of the third scrutiny... 12:40.666 --> 12:41.541 [latch clicks] 12:41.833 --> 12:43.000 ...are the following: 12:43.875 --> 12:45.500 [crowd cheers] 12:45.583 --> 12:47.333 [in English] It's white! It's white! 12:47.416 --> 12:49.875 [in Spanish] It's white! 12:49.958 --> 12:51.166 [reporter 1 speaking French] 12:51.250 --> 12:52.750 [reporter 2] Habemus Papam! 12:52.833 --> 12:54.125 [in English] We have a new pope! 12:54.208 --> 12:57.333 That will be the words announced from that balcony up there. 12:57.416 --> 12:59.500 [cardinal speaking Italian over speakers] 13:00.875 --> 13:03.500 [speaking Spanish over speakers] 13:04.916 --> 13:07.250 [speaking French over speakers] 13:08.791 --> 13:11.333 [speaking German over speakers] 13:11.916 --> 13:14.416 [speaking Latin over speakers] 13:16.291 --> 13:17.416 Habemus Papam. 13:17.500 --> 13:18.958 [crowd cheering] 13:21.708 --> 13:25.083 [cardinal continues speaking Latin over speakers] 13:25.166 --> 13:26.333 [bells ringing] 13:29.416 --> 13:31.583 [camera shutter clicking] 13:37.166 --> 13:39.125 [crowd cheers] 13:40.583 --> 13:42.041 [cardinal] Cardinale... 13:44.000 --> 13:45.208 Ratzinger! 13:45.291 --> 13:47.291 [crowd roars] 13:53.750 --> 13:56.541 [cardinal continues speaking Latin over speakers] 14:01.416 --> 14:04.375 [man, in English] I think that, rather than a victory for conservatives, 14:04.458 --> 14:06.166 the election of Cardinal Ratzinger 14:06.291 --> 14:08.833 is actually a demonstration of the unity of the Church. 14:08.916 --> 14:10.458 There weren't great divisions 14:10.541 --> 14:12.083 within the College of Cardinals. 14:12.166 --> 14:14.250 That it was a fairly easy choice 14:14.333 --> 14:16.000 to go with Cardinal Ratzinger... 14:16.916 --> 14:19.750 [wind whipping] 14:23.833 --> 14:26.000 [in Spanish] Jorge, what will you do now? 14:27.541 --> 14:29.083 Return to Buenos Aires, 14:29.541 --> 14:30.750 plan my retirement. 14:30.833 --> 14:33.208 You're too young to retire. 14:34.708 --> 14:39.958 [Bergoglio] The Church voted to make overdue reforms remain overdue. 14:40.833 --> 14:46.458 I can do more good as a simple parish priest. 14:49.541 --> 14:50.916 [in Portuguese] Okay. 14:51.000 --> 14:53.000 [bells ringing] 14:55.125 --> 14:56.791 [in Spanish] I'll pray for him. 14:56.875 --> 14:58.375 [gentle piano music playing] 15:01.000 --> 15:03.666 [in English] Joseph Ratzinger has a sharp mind. 15:04.041 --> 15:05.625 He's, uh, an intellectual... 15:05.708 --> 15:08.041 [man 1] He's the... the watchdog of the faith. 15:08.125 --> 15:10.125 [woman 1, in French] This protects the Doctrine of the Faith. 15:10.208 --> 15:12.750 [woman 2, in English] He's gonna fight... relativism. 15:12.833 --> 15:14.250 [reporter] What do you mean by that? 15:14.333 --> 15:16.833 Well, I mean, he's-- he's going to stand up for dogma. 15:16.916 --> 15:18.208 He's gonna be a great pope. 15:18.291 --> 15:20.875 Oh, my God, this is the best... I can't believe it. 15:24.083 --> 15:26.375 [man 2, in Portuguese] He's already started with "no." 15:26.458 --> 15:28.791 "No against this, no against that..." 15:29.666 --> 15:34.041 It's bad for the poor in Brazil and the poor in the world. 15:34.125 --> 15:36.458 [woman 3, in Spanish] People are abandoning Catholicism 15:36.541 --> 15:39.500 because it is too conservative. 15:40.583 --> 15:43.791 [in English] I know Ratzinger. The Nazi shouldn't have been elected. 15:46.750 --> 15:48.041 [bell chimes] 15:51.083 --> 15:53.083 [electric razor buzzing] 15:53.500 --> 15:55.416 [classical music playing over radio] 16:02.916 --> 16:04.041 [in Spanish] Bye, bye. 16:04.125 --> 16:06.375 [both speaking Spanish] 16:06.458 --> 16:08.708 Don't buy Tonio's stamps. 16:08.791 --> 16:10.541 -Oh... [laughs] -They don't work. 16:11.375 --> 16:13.625 There’s nothing wrong with them. 16:13.708 --> 16:17.583 I wrote a beautiful letter, and no reply. 16:17.666 --> 16:18.541 Heh. 16:18.625 --> 16:22.250 Sent it again, still no reply. 16:22.333 --> 16:24.666 Your stamps don't work. 16:24.750 --> 16:27.541 Doesn't matter how good your letter was, Jorge, 16:27.625 --> 16:29.958 San Lorenzo will never call you. 16:30.041 --> 16:31.208 [both laugh] 16:33.458 --> 16:35.791 Maybe you used the wrong address. 16:36.083 --> 16:37.500 Impossible. 16:37.791 --> 16:40.333 It’s a well-known address. 16:40.666 --> 16:41.750 To whom? 16:42.666 --> 16:43.708 The pope. 16:44.291 --> 16:45.125 [woman] Oh! 16:45.458 --> 16:46.458 So... 16:46.750 --> 16:49.250 Tonio's stamps work. 16:49.708 --> 16:52.625 I have your letters, and this is from the Vatican. 16:52.708 --> 16:53.833 Gracias. 16:56.333 --> 16:58.041 Why the pope? 16:58.125 --> 16:59.416 I booked my flight. 17:00.875 --> 17:02.333 -Seriously? -Mm-hmm. 17:02.583 --> 17:05.041 What's so urgent? 17:07.333 --> 17:08.791 You want to retire? 17:08.875 --> 17:10.208 Eh... sí. 17:10.291 --> 17:11.166 No! 17:11.583 --> 17:12.791 Don't do it. 17:13.208 --> 17:14.083 Oh... 17:14.166 --> 17:17.583 We need you in Buenos Aires. [sighs] 17:17.833 --> 17:19.750 He wants me in Rome. 17:19.833 --> 17:23.375 I booked my flight before this. 17:23.791 --> 17:25.125 A coincidence... 17:25.416 --> 17:27.541 There are no coincidences. 17:28.291 --> 17:30.708 We are all in God's hands. 17:30.791 --> 17:31.750 [woman] Mm-hmm. 17:33.166 --> 17:36.166 [praying in Latin] 17:36.916 --> 17:38.958 [reporter 1, in English] We turn next to the Vatican 17:39.041 --> 17:41.208 and the stunning accusation that's the talk of Rome. 17:41.625 --> 17:42.500 [thunder rumbles] 17:42.583 --> 17:46.208 Confidential Church documents were allegedly leaked to the press... 17:46.625 --> 17:49.708 [reporter 2] Ridden with factionalism, malpractice by the Vatican Bank, 17:49.791 --> 17:51.291 -and even sexual misconduct. -[coughs] 17:51.375 --> 17:54.500 [reporter 3] Who would have believed that one of the pope's most trusted aides, 17:54.583 --> 17:56.791 the man who helped, is under arrest? 17:56.875 --> 17:58.208 [speaking Italian] 17:58.291 --> 18:00.541 [reporter 4] ...leaking embarrassing confidential Vatican documents... 18:00.625 --> 18:02.083 [reporter 5] This dossier has only been read 18:02.166 --> 18:05.000 -by one guy: Pope Benedict XVI... -[siren wails] 18:05.083 --> 18:06.750 ...so he's fully aware of the issues... 18:06.833 --> 18:08.208 [reporter 6] The whole thing is a holy mess. 18:08.291 --> 18:12.041 [reporter 7] There's no clarity as to what happens behind those closed doors. 18:12.125 --> 18:13.416 [officer speaking Spanish] 18:13.958 --> 18:15.958 [indistinct chatter over PA] 18:22.166 --> 18:23.708 [thunder rumbles in distance] 18:31.625 --> 18:33.583 [plane engine roars] 18:34.500 --> 18:36.500 [indistinct chatter over PA] 18:46.041 --> 18:47.125 [Bergoglio] Ah, sì. 18:47.208 --> 18:48.208 [in Italian] Good morning. 18:48.291 --> 18:50.625 [in English] Are you the cardinal archbishop of Buenos Aires? 18:50.708 --> 18:51.541 [Bergoglio] Yes. 18:51.625 --> 18:53.625 -Oh, Eminence, please-- -No, no, no, no, it's fine. 18:53.750 --> 18:56.208 -[in Italian] Buongiorno. How are you? -Good, thank you. 18:57.833 --> 18:59.708 [in English] The car is just out here. 19:00.750 --> 19:02.083 [Bergoglio speaks Italian] 19:06.625 --> 19:07.583 [driver] This way. 19:08.625 --> 19:09.625 May I? 19:09.708 --> 19:10.958 -Oh, grazie. -Grazie. 19:12.250 --> 19:14.166 Oh, Eminence... E-Eminence... 19:14.250 --> 19:16.416 No, no, I prefer to ride up front. 19:16.500 --> 19:17.666 -Grazie. -Oh, very well. 19:18.375 --> 19:19.416 [engine starts] 19:21.291 --> 19:22.583 [Bergoglio] It's a beautiful car. 19:22.708 --> 19:25.125 -[driver] Thank you, Eminence. -[Bergoglio] Very comfortable. 19:25.208 --> 19:26.458 [motorcycle engine revs] 19:27.916 --> 19:29.541 [Bergoglio] This is the way to Rome? 19:29.625 --> 19:32.083 [driver] No, no, Eminence. The pope is in his summer residence. 19:32.500 --> 19:35.416 Oh. Summer residence. Ah. 19:35.500 --> 19:36.625 [slaps hands on lap] 19:36.708 --> 19:38.625 Perhaps that's why he didn't get my letter. 19:38.708 --> 19:41.125 [driver] Uh, Eminence, forgive me, but... 19:41.208 --> 19:44.250 [stammers] ...he prefers to see his bishops dressed like bishops 19:44.333 --> 19:46.500 and his cardinals like cardinals. 19:46.583 --> 19:47.791 Oh, really? 19:48.333 --> 19:50.541 Y-You have a spare cardinal's hat? 19:52.125 --> 19:53.791 [both chuckle] 19:53.875 --> 19:56.125 [bell ringing] 20:03.041 --> 20:05.750 [assistant, in Italian] Yes. It's a private matter, 20:05.833 --> 20:07.666 so it's not in the official diary. 20:09.916 --> 20:11.916 [indistinct chatter] 20:12.833 --> 20:15.916 [assistant] He is reading the report. 20:17.125 --> 20:19.583 Yes, His Holiness is aware. 20:19.833 --> 20:22.083 I'll ask if he can speak to him. 20:22.583 --> 20:24.416 Your Holiness. 20:24.500 --> 20:26.750 -Would you speak to Cardinal Bertone? -Ah... 20:30.666 --> 20:32.083 [assistant] I have him here. 20:32.250 --> 20:33.541 Ah. Grazie. 20:36.291 --> 20:38.541 [nun, in English] His Holiness will join you shortly. 20:38.625 --> 20:39.708 [Bergoglio] Ah. 20:40.625 --> 20:43.125 Ah. Does the Holy Father meet his cardinals here often? 20:43.500 --> 20:45.541 [nun] No. Uh, it's the first time. 20:45.875 --> 20:48.541 [Bergoglio chuckles] Oh, it's-- it's-- it's not raining. 20:48.625 --> 20:49.875 [nun sighs] Oh. 20:50.083 --> 20:52.833 In Rome, one never knows what will happen next. 20:53.625 --> 20:55.708 -[both chuckle] -[Bergoglio] Grazie. 20:55.791 --> 20:57.791 [tapping rhythmically] 21:02.458 --> 21:04.666 [man whistling] 21:16.916 --> 21:18.375 [Benedict, in Italian] Where is he? 21:23.291 --> 21:25.666 Looks like he's lived here all his life. 21:27.083 --> 21:28.166 Oregano, exactly. 21:28.250 --> 21:29.166 [sniffs] 21:29.250 --> 21:32.291 My mother swore by oregano. 21:32.583 --> 21:33.666 [sniffs] 21:34.291 --> 21:36.750 It makes everything taste good. 21:36.833 --> 21:41.416 My mom mixes it with breadcrumbs. 21:41.500 --> 21:43.500 -[Bergoglio] Me too. -[gardener] Really? 21:43.583 --> 21:44.500 [Bergoglio] Yes! 21:44.583 --> 21:45.791 [gardener] Bravo! 21:46.208 --> 21:48.541 Everything the pope eats comes from Gandolfo. 21:48.916 --> 21:51.166 We send it to Rome. It's all organic. 21:51.250 --> 21:52.583 Vegetables, eggs, cheese. 21:52.916 --> 21:54.250 Ah, Santo Padre. Ah. 21:54.333 --> 21:57.166 -[in Spanish] Good morning! -[Bergoglio, in Latin] Holiness. 21:57.250 --> 21:58.875 [Benedict chuckles] Buongiorno. 22:01.250 --> 22:02.083 Ah... 22:02.583 --> 22:05.916 [in Latin] Last time we met, we spoke Latin. 22:06.333 --> 22:07.541 [Bergoglio chuckles] 22:07.625 --> 22:09.541 [in Latin] A short meeting. 22:09.708 --> 22:13.291 I wasn't the student you were, Holy Father. 22:13.375 --> 22:15.166 Please, not Latin. 22:16.333 --> 22:17.583 -[kisses hand] -Ah. 22:18.833 --> 22:21.416 [in English] Ah, Latin is useful. Especially when... 22:21.791 --> 22:23.875 I have to announce bad news to cardinals. 22:24.666 --> 22:27.000 Only 20 percent of them... become angry 22:27.083 --> 22:29.458 as only 20 percent of them know what I have said. 22:29.791 --> 22:30.791 [Bergoglio chuckles] 22:31.000 --> 22:32.750 [Benedict] I'm sorry to have kept you waiting. 22:32.833 --> 22:35.166 I know you... value punctuality. 22:35.250 --> 22:36.750 Uh, Paolo, my last assistant, 22:36.833 --> 22:39.125 he would have made sure I got here on time. 22:39.208 --> 22:40.333 -He was, uh... -[chuckles] 22:40.416 --> 22:43.333 -He was perfect, you know? [chuckles] -Now he's in jail. 22:44.916 --> 22:45.750 Yeah. 22:49.708 --> 22:51.541 Would you prefer to walk? 22:51.916 --> 22:54.041 -Well, that might not be wise. -Huh? 22:54.541 --> 22:55.916 Your shoelaces are undone. 22:56.958 --> 22:58.916 -[Bergoglio chuckles] Oh. -[Benedict] Yeah. 22:59.000 --> 23:00.166 [Bergoglio] Um... 23:00.916 --> 23:01.833 [Benedict grunts] 23:04.375 --> 23:07.875 You wrote to me asking for permission to retire as cardinal archbishop? 23:09.000 --> 23:09.833 Yes, uh... 23:10.458 --> 23:12.250 I have my papers here. 23:12.333 --> 23:16.291 Uh, cardinals are not required to ask for their retirement until they're 75. 23:16.541 --> 23:17.375 Are you ill? 23:18.708 --> 23:20.250 -I have a problem with my lungs. -[Benedict] I know, 23:20.333 --> 23:22.791 but you were born with that, and it's not really troubled you since, 23:22.875 --> 23:23.708 has it? 23:24.458 --> 23:25.500 It's in your file. 23:25.791 --> 23:28.291 -[Bergoglio] My file? -We keep files on everyone. 23:28.458 --> 23:30.250 So you don't have to be flattered. 23:30.500 --> 23:31.833 [Bergoglio] No, I, uh... 23:32.708 --> 23:34.166 -I'm not ill. -[Benedict] No. 23:34.500 --> 23:35.916 In fact, you're very active. 23:36.000 --> 23:38.875 You walk everywhere and, uh, sometimes use a bicycle. 23:38.958 --> 23:40.583 [Bergoglio] Yeah, and I tango once a week. 23:40.833 --> 23:41.958 Tango is dance? 23:42.041 --> 23:43.875 -[Bergoglio] I'm Argentinian. -Oh. 23:43.958 --> 23:45.875 Tango and football are compulsory. 23:45.958 --> 23:48.416 Of course, yeah. You dance with someone? 23:48.541 --> 23:51.416 Uh, I-- One might look rather foolish dancing alone. 23:51.500 --> 23:52.333 [Benedict laughs] 23:52.416 --> 23:55.833 So, for the sake of the dignity of my office, yes, with someone. 23:56.041 --> 23:57.958 Of course, that's good. Please. 24:01.375 --> 24:05.166 -[sniffles, clicks tongue, sighs] -Yes. 24:06.375 --> 24:08.791 You've been one of my harshest critics, 24:08.875 --> 24:11.208 and there's a lot of competition for that title. 24:11.291 --> 24:13.250 I've never spoken out against you. 24:13.333 --> 24:14.750 No, not directly, but, um... 24:15.000 --> 24:19.041 you refuse to live in the official palace of the cardinal archbishops. 24:19.125 --> 24:21.250 Sí, it's too grand. It's too big. 24:22.041 --> 24:23.166 Ah... [chuckles] 24:23.541 --> 24:26.208 By being so, um... pure and simple, 24:26.291 --> 24:28.958 you imply the rest of us are not living simply enough. 24:30.125 --> 24:31.833 Can one ever... 24:32.791 --> 24:34.583 -live simply enough? -[chuckles softly] 24:35.250 --> 24:37.250 On, uh... married priests. 24:38.000 --> 24:39.083 I was misquoted. 24:39.416 --> 24:43.458 I said, "Celibacy can be a blessing. It can also be a curse." 24:43.541 --> 24:44.958 Yeah. And on homosexuality? 24:45.041 --> 24:46.625 All I said was-- 24:46.708 --> 24:49.916 -[Benedict] No doubt, misquoted again? -[sighs] Taken out of context. 24:50.000 --> 24:53.250 Aha... But might I suggest you try telling the newspapers 24:53.333 --> 24:54.875 the opposite of what you think? 24:54.958 --> 24:58.208 Your chances of being quoted correctly might, therefore, improve. 24:58.291 --> 24:59.333 [sniffles, chuckles] 25:00.416 --> 25:02.750 Another thing: you openly give sacraments 25:02.833 --> 25:04.583 to those who are out of communion. 25:04.666 --> 25:06.166 To the divorced, for instance. 25:06.500 --> 25:11.708 Oh, I believe that giving communion is not a reward 25:11.791 --> 25:12.666 for the virtuous, 25:12.750 --> 25:14.833 it is food for the starving. 25:14.916 --> 25:15.833 Ah. 25:16.250 --> 25:18.166 So, what matters is what you believe, 25:18.250 --> 25:20.458 but not what the Church has taught for hundreds of years? 25:20.541 --> 25:21.458 No, no, no. 25:21.541 --> 25:25.041 Mark, chapter two, verse 17, "I came to call sinners," 25:25.125 --> 25:27.833 as the Church has taught for thousands of years. 25:27.916 --> 25:29.208 If we do not draw a line-- 25:29.291 --> 25:30.916 Or build walls to separate... 25:31.000 --> 25:33.041 You talk about walls as if they are bad things. 25:33.125 --> 25:35.500 -A house is built of walls. Strong walls. -Ah... 25:35.583 --> 25:37.666 Did Jesus build walls? 25:38.083 --> 25:39.916 His face is a face of mercy. 25:40.166 --> 25:42.541 The bigger the sinner, the warmer the welcome. 25:43.333 --> 25:46.375 Mercy is the dynamite that blows down walls. 25:46.458 --> 25:48.333 -Yeah. -[fly buzzes] 25:48.916 --> 25:50.791 You have an answer for everything, don't you? 25:50.875 --> 25:52.625 [watch beeps] Don't stop now. 25:52.708 --> 25:54.916 -Keep moving. -[Benedict] I have to walk. Let's go. 25:55.000 --> 25:56.333 [watch beeps] 25:56.416 --> 25:59.208 -Don't stop now. Keep moving. -[Benedict] You're clever. Far too clever. 25:59.291 --> 26:00.500 [watch] Keep moving. 26:00.750 --> 26:02.333 [Benedict] You see my dilemma. 26:02.541 --> 26:04.666 You're very eloquent, you're very popular. 26:04.750 --> 26:07.333 If I allow you to resign, it will look like a protest. 26:07.666 --> 26:09.708 The Church being attacked from all sides, 26:09.791 --> 26:12.250 why would you want to abandon her to her enemies? 26:12.333 --> 26:15.083 Does a shepherd run away when the wolves appear? 26:15.166 --> 26:16.666 I'm not running away. 26:17.333 --> 26:20.083 I’ll take a parish. I’ll be a good shepherd to its people. 26:20.166 --> 26:22.666 Don't you understand? You were almost elected pope. 26:22.958 --> 26:25.166 If you resign, it will look like a criticism. 26:25.833 --> 26:28.583 The way you live is a criticism. Your shoes are a criticism. 26:28.666 --> 26:30.416 You don't like my shoes? [laughs] 26:30.875 --> 26:33.875 [Benedict] Please, do not make a joke of everything I say. Please. 26:35.083 --> 26:37.166 It is dishonest and cynical. 26:37.250 --> 26:39.000 Have enough respect to show me your real anger. 26:40.375 --> 26:42.125 Do you think the Church is failing? 26:42.833 --> 26:45.791 -Well, we are losing people. -And that is the fault of the Church? 26:45.875 --> 26:49.416 Not of... of... Western relativism, or permissiveness, 26:49.500 --> 26:52.041 or what do they say now? Oh, yes, "Anything goes." 26:54.083 --> 26:54.916 Yeah. 26:58.208 --> 27:00.041 You said the Church is narcissistic. 27:00.125 --> 27:02.583 -Or was that another misquote? -No, no, I did say that. 27:03.250 --> 27:05.000 It seems to me that your Church-- 27:05.083 --> 27:07.000 -My Church? -[Bergoglio] Our Church... 27:07.083 --> 27:08.666 -Oh. -...is moving in directions 27:08.750 --> 27:10.541 that I can no longer condone, 27:10.625 --> 27:12.250 or-- or not moving at all 27:12.541 --> 27:14.833 when the time demands movement. 27:14.916 --> 27:16.500 -[fly buzzes] -[Bergoglio] Holy Father... 27:17.208 --> 27:19.083 I no longer wish to be a salesman. 27:19.250 --> 27:21.291 -A salesman? -[Bergoglio] It's a metaphor. 27:21.708 --> 27:23.375 A salesman for a product. 27:23.458 --> 27:24.291 A product? 27:24.375 --> 27:27.041 A salesman for a product that I... [scoffs] 27:27.666 --> 27:31.583 -I cannot, in all conscience, endorse. -That you don't believe in? 27:32.000 --> 27:35.125 It seems to me that we are no longer part of this world. 27:35.208 --> 27:36.750 We don't belong to it. 27:36.833 --> 27:38.041 We are not connected. 27:38.333 --> 27:39.333 [sighs] 27:40.125 --> 27:42.416 "A Church that marries the spirit of the age--" 27:42.500 --> 27:44.416 [Bergoglio] Yes, "...will be widowed in the next." 27:44.500 --> 27:45.791 -Yeah. -[Bergoglio] I know. 27:45.875 --> 27:48.166 [takes a deep breath] Holy Father... 27:48.250 --> 27:50.166 When you were leader of the Jesuits in Argentina, 27:50.250 --> 27:53.208 you had all the books on Marxism removed from the library. 27:53.416 --> 27:56.125 And I made seminarians wear cassocks all day, 27:56.208 --> 27:58.583 even when they were working in the vegetable garden. 27:58.666 --> 28:01.958 And I called civil marriage for homosexuals the Devil's plan. 28:02.041 --> 28:04.916 -[Benedict] You were not unlike me. -No. 28:05.708 --> 28:06.541 I changed. 28:06.625 --> 28:09.041 -No, you compromised. -[Bergoglio] No. No compromise. 28:09.125 --> 28:11.333 -No, I changed. -Com-- 28:13.125 --> 28:14.291 It's a different thing. 28:15.583 --> 28:18.458 [clicks tongue, sighs] 28:22.833 --> 28:23.875 [clicks tongue] 28:25.708 --> 28:27.250 -[grunts] -Fath-- 28:27.458 --> 28:28.625 [mutters] 28:29.833 --> 28:31.250 Change is compromise. 28:34.500 --> 28:35.500 [Bergoglio] Life... 28:35.750 --> 28:37.291 the life He gave us, 28:37.625 --> 28:38.875 is all change. 28:40.541 --> 28:42.708 You are the successor to San Pietro. 28:43.750 --> 28:45.541 San Pietro was married. 28:46.041 --> 28:48.541 Oh, thank you for letting me know. I had no idea. 28:50.625 --> 28:54.041 We didn't ask priests to be celibate until the 12th century. 28:54.125 --> 28:56.333 -Hm. -Angels? [chuckles] 28:56.416 --> 28:58.583 No mention before the fifth century, 28:58.666 --> 29:00.916 and suddenly, angels are everywhere, 29:01.000 --> 29:02.458 like-- like pigeons. 29:03.458 --> 29:05.333 Nothing is static in nature 29:06.000 --> 29:07.208 or the universe, 29:07.541 --> 29:08.625 not even God. 29:09.166 --> 29:11.166 God does not change. 29:11.250 --> 29:12.625 Yes, He does. 29:12.708 --> 29:15.333 -He moves towards us. -"I am the way, the truth, and the life." 29:15.416 --> 29:17.666 Where should we find Him if He's always moving? 29:18.625 --> 29:19.666 On the journey? 29:19.833 --> 29:20.958 [Benedict] Oh... 29:22.250 --> 29:23.750 This is your ego talking. 29:24.750 --> 29:26.208 You think you know better. 29:26.375 --> 29:27.583 I'm Argentinian. 29:27.875 --> 29:30.208 -How does an Argentinian kill himself? -Ah? 29:30.291 --> 29:33.458 He climbs to the top of his ego and jumps off. 29:36.416 --> 29:37.750 [sarcastically] Ha-ha-ha! 29:44.875 --> 29:46.625 I'm not familiar with this part of the garden. 29:46.708 --> 29:47.833 Where are we? 29:48.833 --> 29:49.750 [Bergoglio] Um... 29:50.333 --> 29:52.583 Maybe this way, where there is some shade? 29:52.875 --> 29:53.708 Oh, yeah. 29:54.666 --> 29:58.500 Perhaps we'll find God over there, on the journey. I'll introduce you to Him. 30:00.833 --> 30:04.333 We defend 2,000 years of tradition, 30:04.416 --> 30:06.625 but Cardinal Bergoglio, he knows better. 30:06.708 --> 30:10.708 No, no. We have spent these last years disciplining anyone 30:10.791 --> 30:13.291 who disagrees with our line on divorce, 30:13.375 --> 30:15.625 on birth control, on being gay. 30:16.416 --> 30:18.375 While our planet was being destroyed, 30:18.458 --> 30:21.416 while inequality grew like a cancer, 30:21.750 --> 30:25.166 we worried about whether it was all right to speak the Mass in Latin, 30:25.458 --> 30:29.041 whether, uh, girls should be allowed to be altar servers. 30:29.500 --> 30:32.333 We built walls around us, and all the time, 30:32.625 --> 30:35.083 all the time, the real danger was inside, 30:35.166 --> 30:36.458 inside with us. 30:36.541 --> 30:38.041 [insects chirping] 30:38.375 --> 30:39.750 What are you talking about? 30:40.000 --> 30:42.708 [Bergoglio] I think you know what I'm talking about. 30:42.833 --> 30:45.375 We knew there were priests, bishops, 30:45.458 --> 30:48.541 great men of the Church who preyed on children. 30:48.625 --> 30:50.708 -And what did we do? -We are addressing this. 30:50.791 --> 30:52.333 We heard their confession, 30:52.416 --> 30:56.291 then moved them on to another parish where they could start all over again. 30:57.125 --> 31:00.208 -We believed if they confessed-- -Oh, we believed it was better 31:00.291 --> 31:02.250 if nine children suffered 31:02.333 --> 31:05.625 than if nine million lost their faith because of a scandal? 31:05.708 --> 31:09.416 -No, of course not. That is grotesque. -A bishop! A bishop said that to me! 31:10.083 --> 31:11.875 Uh-huh, and how did you answer him? 31:11.958 --> 31:14.458 I told him to remove the priest from his ministry 31:15.083 --> 31:17.500 and initiate a canonical trial. Straight away. 31:20.583 --> 31:22.833 I didn't believe a few magic words from the priest 31:22.916 --> 31:24.541 would make everything all right again. 31:24.625 --> 31:27.083 Magic words? Is that how you describe the sacrament? 31:27.166 --> 31:29.500 Confession cleans the sinner's soul. 31:29.583 --> 31:31.208 It does not help the victim. 31:33.458 --> 31:35.583 Sin is a... a wound, 31:35.875 --> 31:36.916 not a stain. 31:37.500 --> 31:39.708 It needs to be healed, to be treated. 31:39.791 --> 31:41.416 Forgiveness is not enough. 31:43.208 --> 31:44.041 You say "we," 31:44.125 --> 31:46.125 -but you mean I'm the one to blame. -[Bergoglio] No. 31:46.208 --> 31:48.208 -Holy Father. Please. -Your protest-- Listen to me. 31:49.500 --> 31:52.125 Your resignation is a protest against the Holy See, 31:52.208 --> 31:54.041 -and you're asking me to ratify it. -No, no. 31:54.125 --> 31:56.958 You say you no longer wish to be cardinal archbishop. 31:57.041 --> 31:59.791 I ask you, are you sure you still wish to be a priest? 31:59.875 --> 32:01.458 [insects chirping loudly] 32:11.625 --> 32:13.458 I don't agree with anything you say. 32:18.625 --> 32:20.625 [insects continue chirping] 32:45.541 --> 32:47.541 -Ah, thank you. -You're welcome. 32:48.166 --> 32:51.000 The Holy Father has retired now until dinner. 32:51.083 --> 32:53.208 -Uh-huh. -I'm to show you to your room. 32:53.458 --> 32:54.458 My room? 32:54.541 --> 32:55.375 Yes. 32:55.791 --> 32:56.750 Come. Please. 32:58.250 --> 32:59.083 But, uh... 33:17.875 --> 33:19.333 [Bergoglio] What about His Holiness? 33:19.666 --> 33:21.833 -[nun] The pope eats alone. -Why? 33:21.916 --> 33:23.375 [nun] He prefers it that way. 33:23.791 --> 33:26.916 But he has arranged for you both to eat the same meal. 33:27.000 --> 33:27.958 [Bergoglio] Ah. 33:28.041 --> 33:30.250 [nun] Just as his mother used to make it. 33:32.875 --> 33:34.375 [Bergoglio sniffs] Oh. 33:35.500 --> 33:37.625 -Huh? -A typical Bavarian dish, 33:37.916 --> 33:39.541 Knödel mit Soße. 33:39.666 --> 33:40.666 [inhales deeply] 33:41.416 --> 33:42.250 Well... 33:44.958 --> 33:45.958 Yes, I know. 33:48.500 --> 33:51.166 [both laugh] 33:51.250 --> 33:54.250 -[engines revving on TV] -[announcer speaking on TV] 33:59.125 --> 34:03.125 -[engines continue revving on TV] -[announcer continues speaking on TV] 34:05.916 --> 34:08.833 After dinner, sometimes, he comes here to relax. 34:08.958 --> 34:09.833 [Bergoglio] Oh... 34:11.208 --> 34:12.958 -It's beautiful, huh? -[nun] Mm-hmm. 34:13.416 --> 34:14.250 Yeah. 34:16.875 --> 34:18.291 [Bergoglio] Well, Papa John. 34:18.625 --> 34:20.208 -[nun] Yeah. -[Bergoglio sighs] 34:20.416 --> 34:21.583 [sniffs] 34:23.041 --> 34:24.333 Se posso... 34:24.416 --> 34:25.416 Certo. 34:25.583 --> 34:26.583 Sì, grazie. 34:29.583 --> 34:30.875 [reporter speaking Italian on TV] 34:30.958 --> 34:32.958 -[nun] Arrivederci, eminenza. -Oh, grazie. 34:33.958 --> 34:36.458 [announcer speaking Italian on TV] 34:39.375 --> 34:42.166 [watch beeping, in English] Bravo. Well done. 34:42.333 --> 34:44.333 You did 10,000 steps today. 34:44.416 --> 34:46.166 -Congratulations. -[Benedict] Ah, my goal. 34:46.250 --> 34:48.041 My doctor gave it to me. [chuckles] 34:48.375 --> 34:52.416 He said, "You are in good shape for 86 but very bad shape for a human being." 34:53.041 --> 34:54.458 I believe this was a joke. 34:54.541 --> 34:56.333 [announcer shouts on TV] 34:56.416 --> 34:58.041 -[Benedict] No, no, please. -No, no. 34:58.125 --> 34:59.166 -[Benedict] No, no. -No. 34:59.250 --> 35:00.208 -[Benedict] Please. -No. 35:00.291 --> 35:01.916 -I know you love football. -[Bergoglio] No. 35:02.000 --> 35:03.166 -[TV clicks off] -Oh. 35:03.250 --> 35:05.458 I've never understood the excitement myself. 35:05.541 --> 35:08.583 Really? Not even during the World Cup? Huh? 35:09.000 --> 35:11.583 You know, your national team and mine, we... 35:12.166 --> 35:14.333 we could be in the final together next year. 35:14.416 --> 35:16.875 They could be a match for Argentina. 35:16.958 --> 35:18.291 [exhales] Yeah. That's good. 35:19.791 --> 35:20.875 [smacks lips] 35:22.291 --> 35:23.166 [chuckles softly] 35:24.291 --> 35:25.125 [Benedict] Hm... 35:26.250 --> 35:28.208 Please sit. Uh. 35:29.625 --> 35:30.625 Holy Father... 35:32.000 --> 35:35.041 -I want you to look at my papers, please. -No, no, no... 35:35.125 --> 35:37.791 -No, this is... But my papers, I really-- -No, no, no, no, no, please. 35:37.875 --> 35:38.791 [Bergoglio] Please, no, 35:38.875 --> 35:41.041 -this is the reason I'm here. -Nein. 35:42.750 --> 35:44.791 I know you like to talk, but I'm exhausted. 35:44.875 --> 35:46.708 -[sighs] -[Benedict] Please, sit down. 35:46.791 --> 35:48.958 Let's just be quiet together. Please sit. 35:49.833 --> 35:50.666 Good. 35:52.958 --> 35:54.625 [both exhale] 35:55.250 --> 35:56.791 -[Benedict] Get so tired. -Hm. 35:56.875 --> 35:57.708 [Benedict] Ah. 35:57.791 --> 35:59.708 -Would you like a tea or coffee? -No, thank you. 35:59.791 --> 36:03.875 I find if I drink coffee too late at night, I can't sleep. 36:04.125 --> 36:05.416 [Benedict] Hm. Me too. 36:05.750 --> 36:06.666 [Bergoglio] Hm. 36:11.083 --> 36:12.083 [sighs] 36:13.958 --> 36:14.875 Ah. 36:16.000 --> 36:17.791 [clock ticking] 36:30.458 --> 36:32.583 You know, the hardest thing is to listen... 36:34.250 --> 36:35.500 to hear His voice. 36:38.291 --> 36:39.333 God's voice. 36:42.291 --> 36:43.708 Sorry, even for a pope? 36:44.708 --> 36:46.458 But perhaps especially for a pope. 36:47.416 --> 36:50.125 [chuckles, coughing] 36:54.000 --> 36:56.708 You know, when I was a young man, hundreds of years ago, 36:57.500 --> 37:00.458 I always knew what He wanted of me. What God wanted, what... 37:01.375 --> 37:02.750 purpose He had for me. 37:04.541 --> 37:05.500 But now... 37:07.750 --> 37:08.750 I don't know. 37:11.250 --> 37:14.541 [sniffles] Perhaps I need to listen more intently. 37:14.958 --> 37:16.875 What do you think, Cardinal Bergoglio? 37:17.333 --> 37:19.416 -What? Uh, hmm... -[Benedict grunts] 37:21.833 --> 37:22.791 [chuckles] 37:25.500 --> 37:26.333 Yeah. 37:28.125 --> 37:29.333 I think, perhaps, I need a... 37:30.375 --> 37:31.875 a spiritual hearing aid. 37:34.625 --> 37:35.625 Who does know? 37:38.083 --> 37:41.333 You know, when I first heard that voice, whatever that was... 37:42.541 --> 37:43.875 His voice, God's voice... 37:45.375 --> 37:47.250 [smacks lips, inhales sharply] 37:47.333 --> 37:48.583 ...it brought me peace. 37:50.541 --> 37:51.625 Such peace. 37:53.333 --> 37:54.791 [sniffles] Ha! 37:56.250 --> 37:57.458 You must have felt that? 37:59.625 --> 38:00.583 [takes a deep breath] 38:00.666 --> 38:02.000 [excited chatter] 38:03.875 --> 38:06.250 Hmm. The call, yes. 38:07.000 --> 38:07.875 The peace... 38:08.416 --> 38:10.291 I wouldn't call it peace. 38:10.375 --> 38:11.625 [young Bergoglio, in Spanish] 180 tickets sold. 38:11.708 --> 38:12.625 [man] Great. 38:12.708 --> 38:14.125 -[young Bergoglio] Am I free? -Sure! 38:14.208 --> 38:15.208 [young Bergoglio] Gracias. 38:15.291 --> 38:17.250 -[man speaks Spanish] -[young Bergoglio] Gracias. 38:18.166 --> 38:20.625 [Bergoglio, in English] You know, the world can be chaotic. 38:20.708 --> 38:21.833 [men speaking Spanish] 38:21.916 --> 38:24.000 [Bergoglio, in English] And there's beauty in that. 38:27.541 --> 38:30.875 Oh, I started to think about being a priest when I was a kid. 38:31.208 --> 38:34.208 I wasn't sure, so my grandmother said, 38:34.750 --> 38:36.875 "Ask God for a sign." 38:36.958 --> 38:38.041 Hola. 38:38.125 --> 38:41.416 [both speaking Spanish] 38:41.791 --> 38:43.208 [Bergoglio, in English] I did. 38:44.166 --> 38:45.000 Nothing. 38:45.458 --> 38:47.458 [tango music playing] 39:03.125 --> 39:04.666 [Bergoglio] I felt abandoned. 39:05.833 --> 39:07.416 So, I got on with life. 39:07.916 --> 39:10.625 [speaking Spanish] 39:10.708 --> 39:12.333 [Bergoglio, in English] I had a job. 39:14.666 --> 39:16.625 -I had Amalia. -[laughs] 39:17.875 --> 39:19.208 [in Spanish] What are you doing? 39:19.291 --> 39:20.958 [Bergoglio, in English] I had a future. 39:21.083 --> 39:23.916 [woman, in Spanish] Jorge, these results are the same. 39:24.416 --> 39:26.375 [young Bergoglio] Yes, same experiment. 39:26.458 --> 39:28.583 [woman] What did we agree on? 39:29.166 --> 39:30.000 Hmm? 39:30.083 --> 39:33.875 We have to test, test, and test. 39:34.000 --> 39:36.333 We live and die by facts. 39:36.833 --> 39:37.916 Facts are... 39:39.000 --> 39:40.166 You've had a haircut. 39:41.750 --> 39:43.458 [young Bergoglio] That is a fact. 39:44.458 --> 39:45.958 [woman] And that shirt is new. 39:46.666 --> 39:47.750 [chuckles softly] 39:48.416 --> 39:49.791 Also a fact. 39:51.250 --> 39:52.666 You've decided? 39:53.708 --> 39:56.125 You will propose! 39:56.958 --> 39:58.416 That's speculation. 39:58.500 --> 40:00.250 No, a deduction. 40:00.333 --> 40:02.375 [young Bergoglio] An incorrect deduction. 40:04.250 --> 40:05.833 I already asked. 40:06.583 --> 40:08.666 Tonight we'll discuss the details. 40:09.333 --> 40:11.250 So, you won't be a priest. 40:11.875 --> 40:14.458 [young Bergoglio] A logical conclusion, Esther. 40:15.458 --> 40:16.750 What took you so long? 40:16.833 --> 40:18.333 [young Bergoglio] Bueno... 40:19.500 --> 40:20.791 I had to listen to... 40:22.625 --> 40:23.458 you know, 40:23.541 --> 40:25.291 if He had other plans for me. 40:26.000 --> 40:26.875 [Esther] He? 40:29.125 --> 40:30.625 -[young Bergoglio] He. -Ah. 40:30.875 --> 40:34.333 This country doesn't need another priest. 40:34.750 --> 40:36.291 I'll redo the tests. 40:36.833 --> 40:39.583 -Next time, don't fool me. -[young Bergoglio] Promise. 40:41.083 --> 40:42.250 [Esther] Jorge! 40:42.583 --> 40:44.166 You're going to be a great father. 40:44.250 --> 40:45.125 [chuckles] 40:50.791 --> 40:52.125 [woman] You're beautiful! 40:52.666 --> 40:54.083 The prettiest ones. 40:54.166 --> 40:55.875 How do I look? 40:55.958 --> 40:56.875 Very handsome! 40:56.958 --> 40:57.958 Bueno, muchas gracias. 40:58.041 --> 41:00.041 [indistinct chatter] 41:00.125 --> 41:02.125 [saxophone playing in distance] 41:15.208 --> 41:17.958 [saxophone continues playing] 41:32.250 --> 41:33.333 [distant clattering] 41:34.208 --> 41:35.166 [door squeaks] 41:47.291 --> 41:48.333 [man] Come in. 42:01.625 --> 42:02.500 Come in. 42:05.333 --> 42:06.916 No, Father, I was just passing. 42:07.000 --> 42:08.458 [priest speaking Spanish] 42:12.333 --> 42:14.000 [confessional door clicks closed] 42:17.375 --> 42:19.833 [young Bergoglio] Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. 42:20.875 --> 42:22.375 [priest] I'm listening, my son. 42:22.666 --> 42:24.791 Before we start, may I ask you something? 42:26.208 --> 42:28.541 I haven’t seen you around. Where are you from? 42:28.750 --> 42:30.583 [priest] Parque Patricios. 42:31.125 --> 42:34.125 Sometimes I come here to give Mass. 42:34.250 --> 42:37.666 I'm praying you’re not a Huracán supporter. 42:38.583 --> 42:39.750 [chuckles] 42:39.833 --> 42:41.750 Your prayers have been answered. 42:43.625 --> 42:47.208 I live close by in the priests’ home for the sick. 42:47.291 --> 42:48.125 [young Bergoglio] Ah. 42:48.208 --> 42:49.458 You tend to the sick. 42:50.125 --> 42:52.291 No. I'm one of them. 42:53.083 --> 42:54.125 I have cancer. 42:55.458 --> 42:56.333 Leukemia. 42:59.166 --> 43:00.958 [young Bergoglio] Then why are you here, Father? 43:02.416 --> 43:04.333 I woke up this morning, 43:04.416 --> 43:07.250 the Lord asked me to hear confession. 43:07.375 --> 43:08.583 But no one came... 43:09.875 --> 43:11.125 until you. 43:15.166 --> 43:16.541 What is troubling you? 43:19.208 --> 43:20.333 I'm listening, son. 43:21.333 --> 43:23.125 Some time ago, I asked for a sign. 43:24.458 --> 43:25.416 [priest] Perhaps... 43:26.041 --> 43:27.666 He's giving it now. 43:30.458 --> 43:34.166 Maybe He wanted me here to speak with you. 43:37.083 --> 43:38.458 [young Bergoglio] With me? 43:39.666 --> 43:40.666 [priest] Sí. 43:42.791 --> 43:46.291 Now you know our Father is watching. 43:47.083 --> 43:48.625 You can confess. 43:50.333 --> 43:51.791 Free your heart. 43:52.833 --> 43:54.833 [wind blowing] 44:09.791 --> 44:11.791 [silently mouthing] 44:26.208 --> 44:27.916 [bells ringing] 44:30.083 --> 44:31.875 -[priest] Bergoglio. - Gracias. 44:33.500 --> 44:35.500 -[speaks Spanish] -Gracias. 44:44.625 --> 44:46.458 [both continue speaking Spanish] 44:50.333 --> 44:52.083 -Bergoglio. -[young Bergoglio] Yes. 44:52.625 --> 44:55.000 -Welcome home. -Thank you. 44:55.083 --> 44:56.958 -How are you? -Good. 44:57.083 --> 44:58.291 [speaks Spanish] 44:58.583 --> 45:01.083 Do you know what you're saying no to? 45:01.166 --> 45:02.666 -Yes. -Yes? 45:02.916 --> 45:04.791 She even has a name. 45:05.375 --> 45:06.625 Oh, well. 45:07.041 --> 45:10.291 You will have to learn to love her in another way. 45:10.375 --> 45:11.208 Hm? 45:11.291 --> 45:12.791 Love has many faces. 45:12.875 --> 45:14.291 [speaking Spanish] 45:14.750 --> 45:17.958 It's a big mistake to think one can live without love. 45:19.083 --> 45:20.375 I still have San Lorenzo. 45:20.500 --> 45:23.875 [Bergoglio, in English] I can see now there was never an alternative. 45:23.958 --> 45:26.625 That priest, that day, me finding him there. 45:27.000 --> 45:29.541 [sighs] Even if I'd passed by, 45:30.250 --> 45:32.625 God would have found another way to call me. 45:33.041 --> 45:34.666 You have such certainty. 45:35.000 --> 45:35.833 [Bergoglio] Yes. 45:36.583 --> 45:39.458 And I'm certain... He wants me to retire. 45:39.708 --> 45:40.750 [Benedict] No, please. 45:40.833 --> 45:43.000 I know we have our differences, our disagreements, 45:43.083 --> 45:44.291 but, please, this evening, 45:44.375 --> 45:48.083 let's be... simply brothers together, shall we? 45:49.250 --> 45:50.375 Hm? [chuckles] 45:51.833 --> 45:53.833 Do you play the piano or any instrument? 45:53.916 --> 45:55.541 No. No, but I know you do. 45:56.500 --> 45:58.375 You, uh... you made an album. 45:58.916 --> 46:01.583 Uh, Music from the Vatican: Alma Mater. 46:01.833 --> 46:05.208 That's right, I did. Heh. Have you a copy of the album? 46:05.291 --> 46:07.583 [Bergoglio] Oh, yes, yes. Por supuesto. 46:08.625 --> 46:10.875 Ah. I could sign it for you. 46:12.458 --> 46:13.791 Yes, please. 46:15.416 --> 46:18.125 Perhaps you could play something now. 46:19.708 --> 46:22.166 Well, I-- I'm a bit out of practice, but... 46:22.958 --> 46:25.083 let's see, I'll try. [sighs] 46:25.500 --> 46:29.916 Now, this little piece by Bedřich Smetana, my favorite Czech, 46:30.500 --> 46:32.166 and, uh, it's a lullaby. 46:32.875 --> 46:34.708 [chuckles] Let's see what I can do. 46:37.708 --> 46:39.708 [playing gentle melody] 46:41.958 --> 46:43.041 [hits wrong note] 46:43.125 --> 46:44.333 [Benedict] He lived a tragic life. 46:44.583 --> 46:45.958 -Ah. -[Benedict] Yeah, well. 46:46.041 --> 46:47.708 Anyway, so... [clears throat] 46:50.916 --> 46:52.916 [continues playing gentle melody] 47:27.208 --> 47:29.208 [piano playing continues] 47:44.416 --> 47:45.625 [Benedict] You know, the, um... 47:46.791 --> 47:49.916 this album was recorded in a-- a famous studio in London. 47:50.000 --> 47:52.833 [clears throat] I was told, uh, I should be very honored 47:52.916 --> 47:54.458 because the Beatles had been there. 47:54.541 --> 47:56.208 -Do you know the Beatles? -[Bergoglio] Yes, 47:56.291 --> 47:59.208 -I know who they are. [chuckles] -Of course you do. [chuckles] 47:59.291 --> 48:00.750 [Bergoglio] "Eleanor Rigby." 48:00.958 --> 48:02.708 -Who? -[Bergoglio] "Eleanor Rigby." 48:03.166 --> 48:05.458 -I don't know her. -[Bergoglio] You know, Yellow Submarine. 48:06.291 --> 48:09.250 -[Benedict] Sorry, I don't know who she-- -The album, Yellow Submarine. 48:09.333 --> 48:10.375 [hums tune] 48:10.458 --> 48:13.166 -Yellow Submarine? That's silly. -[both chuckle] 48:14.041 --> 48:15.666 -It's very funny. -[Bergoglio chuckles] 48:15.750 --> 48:18.541 Um... Yes, I-- I can't remember where the... 48:19.500 --> 48:20.750 studio was, it was a... 48:20.958 --> 48:23.000 But, uh, it was like a church or something. 48:23.083 --> 48:24.208 [Bergoglio] Abbey Road. 48:24.583 --> 48:28.083 -Abbey, the Abbey? Yes, the road. -Abbey Road. You went to Abbey Road? 48:28.166 --> 48:30.750 No, no, no. It would not have been appropriate. 48:30.958 --> 48:32.958 [piano playing] 48:34.291 --> 48:35.291 [Benedict] But, you know, 48:36.041 --> 48:38.750 I once thought I had a calling for music, but, uh... 48:38.958 --> 48:39.833 I'm afraid, um... 48:40.625 --> 48:42.458 at the keyboard, I'm not infallible. 48:42.958 --> 48:44.291 But I enjoy it. 48:44.375 --> 48:46.500 [playing upbeat melody] 48:49.083 --> 48:51.083 [chuckles] 48:51.500 --> 48:52.500 You like? 48:54.708 --> 48:56.125 It's... very different. 48:56.875 --> 48:57.875 It's wonderful. 49:00.583 --> 49:03.208 [Benedict] It's an old, um... uh, Berlin cabaret song. 49:03.291 --> 49:05.541 It was made famous on the radio before the war 49:05.625 --> 49:08.125 -by a singer called Zarah Leander. -[Bergoglio] Ah. 49:08.208 --> 49:10.416 [Benedict] She was very pretty. I was a big fan of hers. 49:10.500 --> 49:12.208 -Sorry, who was? -[Benedict] Zarah Leander. 49:12.291 --> 49:13.250 [chuckles] 49:13.375 --> 49:15.958 [plays upbeat melody] 49:19.541 --> 49:21.166 -Would you like some wine? -[Bergoglio] Oh! 49:21.250 --> 49:24.958 -[Benedict] There's some. -[Bergoglio chuckles] Ah, okay. Thank you. 49:25.041 --> 49:26.750 [continues playing upbeat melody] 49:31.375 --> 49:33.375 [Benedict] ♪ Sweet Auf Wiedersehen ♪ 49:35.750 --> 49:37.333 [humming and laughing] 49:40.875 --> 49:44.333 -[both] ♪ La, la-la-la ♪ -♪ La, la-la-la, la, la-la-la-la ♪ 49:44.500 --> 49:45.500 It's good wine? 49:46.541 --> 49:47.541 Granados. 49:53.416 --> 49:55.333 Stockhausen. [laughs gleefully] 49:56.583 --> 49:59.000 -[piano music playing on TV] -[Benedict grunts] 49:59.791 --> 50:00.666 Ah... 50:01.791 --> 50:03.208 The signal is not good here. 50:03.291 --> 50:07.666 Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. But it's, uh... [laughs] 50:08.416 --> 50:09.250 Yes. 50:10.333 --> 50:11.541 [sound distorts on TV] 50:12.583 --> 50:13.833 [smacks lips] 50:18.333 --> 50:20.666 -[man speaking on TV] -[Benedict] Look, there's this-- Look. 50:20.750 --> 50:23.083 [theme song playing on TV] 50:23.166 --> 50:26.791 My favorite program is Kommissar Rex. [laughs] 50:27.000 --> 50:29.291 It's a television program from Austria, 50:29.375 --> 50:33.166 and, uh, a German shepherd dog who solves crimes, and, uh... 50:33.250 --> 50:34.416 -[chuckles] -[Rex barks on TV] 50:34.791 --> 50:37.000 ...the trouble he gets into. 50:37.083 --> 50:39.708 The trouble he gets into every week. 50:39.791 --> 50:41.541 -[chuckles] -[Benedict] It's very fun, oh my. 50:41.625 --> 50:43.166 It takes my mind off things. 50:43.833 --> 50:44.875 Ah. 50:45.708 --> 50:47.125 You know something, I'll tell you. 50:47.541 --> 50:50.958 Here, in this place, they call me "God's Rottweiler," 50:51.041 --> 50:52.458 guarding the house of God. 50:52.541 --> 50:56.041 They don't know I-- I know, but... So I never say anything. 50:56.208 --> 51:00.791 [sighs] But it's a... you know, it's a small pleasure. 51:00.875 --> 51:02.958 Well, small pleasures are important. 51:03.375 --> 51:05.958 -Yeah. -[Bergoglio] You know the story, the... 51:06.541 --> 51:09.541 the two seminarians who-- who liked to smoke? 51:09.833 --> 51:11.291 No. They should resist the temp-- 51:11.375 --> 51:13.458 Well, yeah, yeah. So, the first one, 51:13.750 --> 51:16.041 he goes to his spiritual director, and he says, 51:16.375 --> 51:20.500 "Father, is it permitted to smoke while praying?" 51:20.833 --> 51:23.583 And the director says, "No. No, of course not." 51:23.666 --> 51:25.583 -Of course not. No, it's-- -No, no. So... 51:25.666 --> 51:27.708 So, the second one, he was a Jesuit. 51:27.791 --> 51:32.958 He says to his friend, "Brother, you're just asking the wrong question." 51:33.041 --> 51:35.208 -Ah. -So he goes to the director, 51:35.291 --> 51:38.250 then he says, "Father, is it permitted to pray 51:38.958 --> 51:40.083 while smoking?" 51:41.458 --> 51:42.458 [Benedict] Yeah. 51:43.666 --> 51:45.625 Pray and smoke at the same ti-- 51:47.500 --> 51:49.125 [laughs] 51:49.208 --> 51:50.416 -[Bergoglio] Ah? -It's a joke. 51:50.500 --> 51:52.166 [both laugh] 51:52.333 --> 51:55.083 -It's a silly joke. -[both chuckle] 51:56.333 --> 51:58.708 Pray and smoke at the same time. It's impossible. 51:58.791 --> 52:01.583 -[continues laughing] -[chuckles] 52:01.833 --> 52:04.000 I can never remember jokes. [sighs] 52:04.250 --> 52:07.375 Remembering jokes is an essential part of Jesuit training. 52:07.458 --> 52:08.333 [both chuckle] 52:09.291 --> 52:10.500 Yeah. 52:12.458 --> 52:13.291 Yes. 52:14.333 --> 52:15.458 I like company. 52:17.583 --> 52:19.500 -I was alone. -[chuckles] 52:20.333 --> 52:22.583 Isaiah 41, chapter 10. 52:23.041 --> 52:25.666 Yeah. "Do not be afraid, for I am with you, always." 52:25.791 --> 52:26.791 [Bergoglio] Sí, sí. 52:27.333 --> 52:28.166 Yeah. 52:30.416 --> 52:31.833 I know He's here... 52:33.375 --> 52:34.583 but He doesn't laugh. 52:35.541 --> 52:38.875 At least, I don't hear Him laughing. You know? 52:39.541 --> 52:40.708 [chuckles softly] 52:41.583 --> 52:42.750 No, you wouldn't know. 52:44.083 --> 52:45.041 Someone like you... 52:45.625 --> 52:48.583 would never understand what I... mean. 52:49.166 --> 52:50.000 [sniffles] 52:53.791 --> 52:56.958 [clicks tongue] I'm sorry, I'm... I must rest. I'm... 52:57.291 --> 52:58.291 It's been a long day. 52:59.375 --> 53:00.333 Gute Nacht. 53:00.416 --> 53:01.416 -Yeah. -Yes. 53:01.875 --> 53:03.041 [both chuckle] 53:04.708 --> 53:07.666 -[Bergoglio] Good night. -[grunts] Buenas noches. 53:08.750 --> 53:10.500 [coughs] 53:15.708 --> 53:17.708 [crickets chirping] 53:19.791 --> 53:21.041 [bird chirps] 53:21.125 --> 53:22.625 [phone ringing] 53:28.666 --> 53:29.958 Good morning, Eminence. 53:30.333 --> 53:31.583 Ah, good morning. 53:31.666 --> 53:35.875 The Holy Father apologizes, but he's been called back to Rome. 53:36.166 --> 53:37.291 Urgent business. 53:38.375 --> 53:40.583 If you can get ready as soon as possible. 53:43.625 --> 53:46.541 -[Bergoglio] Thank you, Sister. Goodbye. -[nun] Eminenza. Goodbye. 53:46.625 --> 53:50.166 [gardener, in Italian] Cardinal, I have a souvenir for you. 53:50.250 --> 53:52.166 -[Bergoglio] Ah! -[gardener speaking Italian] 53:52.250 --> 53:54.708 -I made some cuttings. -[Bergoglio] Thank you! 53:54.791 --> 53:56.000 [speaking Italian] 53:56.125 --> 53:57.833 So, when you return home... 53:57.916 --> 53:59.000 Let me help you. 53:59.083 --> 53:59.958 [Bergoglio] Grazie. 54:09.625 --> 54:11.666 [helicopter blades whirring loudly] 54:32.625 --> 54:35.875 [shouting in English] I hope this urgent business is not too... 54:38.750 --> 54:39.875 Oh! Oh! 54:44.125 --> 54:45.916 [whirring fades] 54:47.708 --> 54:51.000 I hope this urgent business is not too distressing. 54:52.583 --> 54:54.208 Oh, the Curia is like a machine. 54:54.333 --> 54:56.958 You put your hand inside, it chops it into mincemeat. 54:57.041 --> 54:58.583 They always defend themselves. 54:59.291 --> 55:02.750 Sometimes it feels like being pope is to become breakfast. 55:03.875 --> 55:05.541 What is that plant? Is that, uh... 55:05.916 --> 55:07.625 -This? -[Benedict] Is that basil? 55:07.708 --> 55:08.833 It's oregano. 55:09.541 --> 55:11.083 Your gardener gave it to me. 55:11.875 --> 55:14.166 Oh, yes. You're very popular. 55:14.791 --> 55:18.333 [chuckles] This popularity of yours, is there a trick to it? 55:18.416 --> 55:20.291 I just try to be myself. 55:20.791 --> 55:21.791 [Benedict] Oh... 55:22.125 --> 55:25.500 Whenever I try to be myself, people don't seem to like me very much. 55:26.208 --> 55:29.250 Also, there's no option, since I'm obliged to be pope. 55:33.500 --> 55:36.208 Holy Father, about my retirement-- 55:36.291 --> 55:38.291 [helicopter blades whirring loudly] 55:52.041 --> 55:54.166 ["Bella, Ciao" playing] 56:19.958 --> 56:23.500 [man shouting] The Holy Father wants to finish his conversation with you, 56:23.583 --> 56:26.375 but first, he must deal with an urgent matter. 56:27.083 --> 56:30.291 [Bergoglio shouting] May I know the nature of the business? 56:31.166 --> 56:34.083 You can talk to him tomorrow at seven, okay? 56:43.500 --> 56:45.708 [driver, in Italian] Hey, Cardinal, need a lift? 56:47.166 --> 56:49.166 [indistinct chatter] 56:52.375 --> 56:54.333 [Bergoglio and vendor speaking Italian] 56:56.416 --> 56:59.125 -How's the pizza? -Better when hot. 56:59.208 --> 57:00.416 [Bergoglio speaking Italian] 57:05.541 --> 57:08.250 [reporter on TV, in English] The scandal at the Vatican worsened today 57:08.333 --> 57:11.125 after Gianluigi Nuzzi released his book entitled 57:11.208 --> 57:14.750 His Holiness: The Secret Letters of Benedict XVI. 57:14.833 --> 57:18.250 The book consists of documents, letters, and memoranda 57:18.333 --> 57:20.500 between the pope and his personal secretary. 57:20.875 --> 57:23.000 It has sent shock waves through the Vatican 57:23.083 --> 57:25.000 and brought Pope Benedict back to Rome 57:25.083 --> 57:27.208 from Castel Gandolfo, his summer residence. 57:27.291 --> 57:28.791 [church bells ringing] 57:28.875 --> 57:31.291 [sports commentator speaking Spanish on TV] 57:43.625 --> 57:45.541 [all cheering] 57:49.625 --> 57:50.791 Bueno. 57:52.416 --> 57:55.041 -[fans cheering] -[commentator continues speaking Spanish] 57:55.125 --> 57:58.208 [in Spanish] Thank you, Lord, for Pipita's gift. 57:58.291 --> 57:59.250 Amen. 57:59.333 --> 58:02.166 [Bergoglio] Also, Lord, bless our pope. 58:02.750 --> 58:05.333 The German? Let him bless himself. 58:05.708 --> 58:06.625 Nazi. 58:08.333 --> 58:09.541 No. 58:11.708 --> 58:12.750 [sighs] 58:14.541 --> 58:15.500 [sniffles] 58:16.791 --> 58:18.791 [crowd cheers and applauds] 58:21.791 --> 58:25.500 [solemn version of "Bella, Ciao" playing] 58:26.666 --> 58:30.791 Let God grant him a quiet night and a peaceful end. 58:32.416 --> 58:34.416 [takes a deep breath] 58:52.833 --> 58:54.375 [knocking on door] 58:55.000 --> 58:55.833 Sì? 58:55.916 --> 58:56.958 [door opens] 58:59.541 --> 59:01.750 [in Italian] Holy Father, he's not there. 59:01.833 --> 59:02.750 [Benedict] Ah. 59:03.416 --> 59:04.541 What do you mean? 59:05.333 --> 59:08.333 [man] We cannot find him. I sent a car, but he's not there. 59:10.083 --> 59:10.958 Find him! 59:14.875 --> 59:16.875 [indistinct chatter] 59:19.250 --> 59:21.250 [bell ringing] 59:22.916 --> 59:25.583 [in English] I always wondered, the uniform, 59:25.666 --> 59:27.291 it must be very uncomfortable, huh? 59:27.375 --> 59:28.291 Very hot. 59:29.666 --> 59:31.291 Difficult to keep clean. [chuckles] 59:35.208 --> 59:37.750 Or perhaps someone cleans it for you? 59:39.708 --> 59:42.333 [sighs] This is where we're meeting? 59:42.500 --> 59:44.541 [guard] I was just asked to bring you here. 59:44.625 --> 59:45.666 [door opens] 59:53.791 --> 59:54.666 Grazie. 59:56.625 --> 59:57.833 [sighs] 1:00:27.083 --> 1:00:28.875 [jazz saxophone music playing] 1:00:39.500 --> 1:00:41.500 [organ and saxophone music playing] 1:01:07.125 --> 1:01:09.333 [Benedict] You know, I've never been in here before. 1:01:09.416 --> 1:01:11.625 -[chuckles] -When it was empty, I mean. 1:01:12.708 --> 1:01:13.541 No, uh... 1:01:14.666 --> 1:01:15.958 visitors, no tourists. 1:01:16.291 --> 1:01:17.916 [chuckles] I... 1:01:18.875 --> 1:01:22.333 -wanted to experience the moment with you. -[both chuckle softly] 1:01:22.833 --> 1:01:23.708 Ah, Padre. 1:01:24.333 --> 1:01:27.291 -Yeah. -If I was pope, I'd be in here every day. 1:01:27.541 --> 1:01:29.291 -Yeah, what else? -What? 1:01:29.958 --> 1:01:32.500 Well, if you had been chosen, what would you do? 1:01:32.583 --> 1:01:33.666 -Holy Father. -[Benedict] No. 1:01:33.750 --> 1:01:35.458 This place would be different, I think. Huh? 1:01:36.958 --> 1:01:40.666 -Well, I wouldn't eat alone, for a start. -[Benedict] No? 1:01:40.958 --> 1:01:42.333 Aside from the theology, 1:01:42.416 --> 1:01:44.000 -it's no good for you. -Oh. 1:01:44.166 --> 1:01:47.125 You know, Jesus was always breaking bread 1:01:47.208 --> 1:01:49.500 -and feeding people. -Well, what else? 1:01:50.916 --> 1:01:52.000 Well, I'd, uh... 1:01:52.291 --> 1:01:53.625 I'd sort out the Bank. 1:01:53.875 --> 1:01:56.958 [chuckles] Oh, good luck with that. 1:01:57.041 --> 1:02:00.250 Yeah, well, the banks almost destroyed my country. 1:02:00.375 --> 1:02:01.291 Yeah. 1:02:01.375 --> 1:02:03.208 You know, they beg for deregulation, 1:02:03.291 --> 1:02:05.750 like tigers begging to be let out of a cage. 1:02:05.875 --> 1:02:08.333 -[Benedict] Yeah. -They devour everything in sight. 1:02:08.416 --> 1:02:09.250 [Benedict] Yeah. 1:02:09.875 --> 1:02:11.041 It's new elitism. 1:02:11.125 --> 1:02:12.083 Hm. 1:02:12.958 --> 1:02:13.958 [Benedict] Yeah. 1:02:15.666 --> 1:02:18.000 You're beginning to be happy I'm going to retire. 1:02:18.125 --> 1:02:20.750 [chuckles] You, um... 1:02:22.500 --> 1:02:24.125 For many weeks now, I've been... 1:02:25.250 --> 1:02:27.000 well, I've been praying for a sign. 1:02:28.291 --> 1:02:29.541 I don't understand. 1:02:31.541 --> 1:02:33.250 [sighs] Well, when your... 1:02:34.916 --> 1:02:38.000 when your request came to me to retire as cardinal archbishop, 1:02:38.083 --> 1:02:40.083 I could not accept it, your retirement, 1:02:40.166 --> 1:02:41.666 I mean, until I'd, um... 1:02:42.750 --> 1:02:43.750 spoken to you. 1:02:44.958 --> 1:02:48.000 So, you had to come from Argentina to Rome to see me. 1:02:48.666 --> 1:02:49.666 And, uh... 1:02:50.291 --> 1:02:51.375 what I'm saying is, 1:02:51.458 --> 1:02:53.625 perhaps you had to come here for some other purpose. 1:02:54.083 --> 1:02:55.083 Like what? 1:02:56.208 --> 1:02:57.041 Well... 1:02:59.375 --> 1:03:00.541 you see, I've made a... 1:03:01.416 --> 1:03:03.541 a decision, an important decision, I think, 1:03:03.625 --> 1:03:05.875 for the life of the Church and for her future. 1:03:06.541 --> 1:03:09.500 Something I ask you to hide in your soul and speak of to no one. 1:03:09.583 --> 1:03:10.916 -Uh-huh. -Know what I mean? 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:11.916 -Sí. -Good. 1:03:14.416 --> 1:03:15.708 You know, sometimes... 1:03:17.791 --> 1:03:20.583 sometimes, you notice little things. It's very strange. 1:03:25.250 --> 1:03:28.375 You know, the other night, after... prayer, 1:03:28.833 --> 1:03:30.458 I put out the candle, and uh... 1:03:33.958 --> 1:03:35.208 instead of rising up... 1:03:36.458 --> 1:03:37.541 the smoke went down, 1:03:38.583 --> 1:03:40.291 like Cain's offering being rejected 1:03:40.375 --> 1:03:41.541 -by God. -[Bergoglio chuckles] 1:03:42.166 --> 1:03:43.500 Do you notice such things? 1:03:45.583 --> 1:03:46.458 Uh... 1:03:47.166 --> 1:03:52.416 I bought my ticket for my flight here... [chuckles] 1:03:52.500 --> 1:03:54.791 ...before you requested my presence. 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:57.500 -No. -Yes! 1:03:57.583 --> 1:03:59.958 -Your plane ticket, you bought it before? -[Bergoglio] Yeah. 1:04:01.041 --> 1:04:02.000 [chuckles] 1:04:02.583 --> 1:04:05.083 [Benedict] Well, that gives me great encouragement. 1:04:07.458 --> 1:04:08.291 Yeah... 1:04:09.916 --> 1:04:12.208 You're the right person. I'm going to resign. 1:04:12.291 --> 1:04:13.666 -This marble is cold here. -Sorry... 1:04:13.750 --> 1:04:16.333 -[stammers] ...the right person for what? -To tell. 1:04:17.375 --> 1:04:18.375 To tell what? 1:04:18.875 --> 1:04:20.916 What I just said. I'm going to resign. 1:04:22.375 --> 1:04:24.041 Uh, resign from what? 1:04:24.416 --> 1:04:26.166 [chuckles] The Papacy. 1:04:26.375 --> 1:04:27.625 The Chair of Saint Peter. 1:04:27.958 --> 1:04:29.208 The Bishopric of Rome. 1:04:29.291 --> 1:04:32.291 I'm going to renounce all of them. [grunts] 1:04:35.125 --> 1:04:38.125 [Bergoglio] But you can't. You... You... [clears throat] 1:04:38.416 --> 1:04:40.833 -You wouldn't be the pope anymore. -[Benedict] No. 1:04:43.250 --> 1:04:44.291 Popes can't resign! 1:04:44.791 --> 1:04:46.208 It's not without precedent. 1:04:47.041 --> 1:04:50.000 Celestine V resigned, 1294. 1:04:50.583 --> 1:04:51.666 Didn't you know that? 1:04:52.250 --> 1:04:54.708 Holy Father, you think-- you think people will not be shocked 1:04:54.791 --> 1:04:58.208 because this happened once before, 700 years ago? 1:04:58.291 --> 1:04:59.750 [Benedict chuckles] Well... 1:05:00.750 --> 1:05:03.708 I-- I came here just to have you sign a piece of paper. 1:05:03.791 --> 1:05:04.666 [Benedict] I know. 1:05:05.166 --> 1:05:07.833 [groans, sighs] 1:05:08.833 --> 1:05:11.750 Now you know why I could not grant you your wish to retire. 1:05:11.833 --> 1:05:14.458 It would be another conclave. It is important that you're there. 1:05:14.541 --> 1:05:17.250 Holy Father, you must not do this. You cannot do this. 1:05:17.333 --> 1:05:19.000 -[Benedict] Why not? -[sighs] 1:05:19.458 --> 1:05:23.875 Why do the presidents of America and Russia and China come to you? 1:05:23.958 --> 1:05:24.958 Because... 1:05:25.791 --> 1:05:27.041 unlike them, 1:05:27.125 --> 1:05:30.833 your authority comes from the fact that you will suffer and die 1:05:30.916 --> 1:05:32.208 in the job. 1:05:33.125 --> 1:05:34.250 -Yeah. -[Bergoglio] A martyr 1:05:34.333 --> 1:05:35.541 to justice and truth. 1:05:35.916 --> 1:05:37.333 For this, all people come. 1:05:37.416 --> 1:05:38.708 Forgive me, but... 1:05:42.208 --> 1:05:43.041 But? 1:05:43.583 --> 1:05:46.666 Christ did not come down from the cross. 1:05:46.791 --> 1:05:49.791 Ah! God always grants you the right words. 1:05:49.875 --> 1:05:52.333 [Bergoglio] No, no. No, a pope must go on forever. 1:05:52.416 --> 1:05:55.541 Be the personification of the crucified Christ. 1:05:57.125 --> 1:05:59.708 If you do this, you will damage the Papacy forever. 1:05:59.791 --> 1:06:01.166 [Benedict tuts] Well... 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:04.916 And what damage will I do if I remain? 1:06:08.333 --> 1:06:10.708 [sighs] I... 1:06:12.083 --> 1:06:14.250 It's-- It's... two popes? 1:06:14.625 --> 1:06:17.208 -[Benedict] Well, in 19-- -No. It is-- No, it's unthinkable. 1:06:17.291 --> 1:06:19.041 Well, in 1978, we had three popes. 1:06:19.125 --> 1:06:21.125 [Bergoglio] Yeah, but they weren't at the same time. 1:06:21.208 --> 1:06:22.791 I was making a little joke. 1:06:23.125 --> 1:06:24.083 [Bergoglio] A joke? 1:06:24.166 --> 1:06:26.541 A German joke. It doesn't have to be funny. 1:06:27.541 --> 1:06:28.416 [scoffs] 1:06:29.125 --> 1:06:32.416 [Benedict] You know, there's a saying, uh, "God always... 1:06:32.500 --> 1:06:34.916 corrects one pope by presenting the world with another pope." 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:37.166 I should... I'd like to see my correction. 1:06:39.583 --> 1:06:41.916 [takes a deep breath] Both commanding authority. 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:42.833 [Benedict] No. 1:06:43.083 --> 1:06:44.958 Only one would command authority. 1:06:45.208 --> 1:06:47.458 I would, uh, hide away, out of the spotlight. 1:06:47.958 --> 1:06:50.000 [in Latin] Silence incarnate! 1:06:51.166 --> 1:06:52.083 [chuckles] 1:06:52.166 --> 1:06:54.583 [in English] Are you being pressured to go? The Curia? 1:06:54.833 --> 1:06:55.750 No, no, no. 1:06:55.916 --> 1:06:58.333 If there was pressure from there, I would resist. 1:06:58.750 --> 1:07:01.166 No, I know my intentions and my motives are pure. 1:07:02.666 --> 1:07:05.958 -See, I'm a scholar, not a manager. - [watch beeps] Don't stop now. 1:07:06.041 --> 1:07:07.125 -Keep moving. -Yeah. 1:07:07.208 --> 1:07:08.750 [watch beeping] Keep moving. 1:07:08.833 --> 1:07:10.125 And besides, I, um... 1:07:10.208 --> 1:07:11.375 [watch] Don't stop now. 1:07:11.458 --> 1:07:15.375 -I have a pacemaker, and I'm half-blind. -[watch] Keep moving. 1:07:15.458 --> 1:07:19.958 [chuckles] I can no longer see out of my left eye. 1:07:20.791 --> 1:07:21.791 And, uh... 1:07:22.708 --> 1:07:24.875 governance requires eyes that I do not have. 1:07:25.833 --> 1:07:26.666 Yes... 1:07:28.208 --> 1:07:30.166 I've struggled and fought to do what... 1:07:31.125 --> 1:07:34.458 must be done, but, um... [clicks tongue] 1:07:36.041 --> 1:07:37.750 -I've lost. -[sighs] 1:07:38.083 --> 1:07:41.291 It is our weakness that calls forth the grace of God. 1:07:41.833 --> 1:07:44.625 You show your weakness, He gives us strength. 1:07:44.958 --> 1:07:45.791 [Benedict] Yeah. 1:07:46.500 --> 1:07:48.333 I've given you my answer. 1:07:48.750 --> 1:07:49.750 Be satisfied. 1:07:50.500 --> 1:07:52.166 With respect, Holy Father... 1:07:53.166 --> 1:07:55.875 it's not me who needs to be satisfied. 1:07:56.125 --> 1:07:59.416 It's 1.2 billion believers. 1:07:59.833 --> 1:08:01.083 They'll need to know why. 1:08:01.291 --> 1:08:04.708 Otherwise, they'll think there is a scandal, a... a plot. 1:08:05.458 --> 1:08:07.250 Well, that is the calculation of leadership. 1:08:07.333 --> 1:08:09.750 -[sighs] -A calculation we must both make. 1:08:10.958 --> 1:08:12.208 Both? Why? 1:08:12.583 --> 1:08:16.375 Well, for months, I've been, uh, wanting to resign, 1:08:16.458 --> 1:08:19.125 but there was one thought that prevented me from that. 1:08:19.208 --> 1:08:21.541 I thought, "What if at the next conclave, 1:08:21.791 --> 1:08:24.833 they voted for that, uh, Cardinal Bergoglio?" 1:08:24.916 --> 1:08:25.875 For you. 1:08:26.291 --> 1:08:28.000 [Bergoglio] Then I offered my resignation. 1:08:28.083 --> 1:08:28.916 [Benedict] Exactly. 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:30.375 [chuckles] I was delighted. 1:08:31.041 --> 1:08:32.041 As I said... 1:08:32.750 --> 1:08:34.625 what prevented me from resigning 1:08:34.708 --> 1:08:36.000 was the thought that, uh, 1:08:36.583 --> 1:08:39.041 they could've chosen you, or elected you. 1:08:39.875 --> 1:08:42.333 But now you are here in Rome to see me, 1:08:42.916 --> 1:08:44.958 -and now, I've changed. -You've compromised. 1:08:45.041 --> 1:08:46.250 No, I've changed. 1:08:47.125 --> 1:08:48.583 Compromise is something else. 1:08:49.916 --> 1:08:53.458 Your style and your methods are entirely different to mine. 1:08:53.708 --> 1:08:55.041 I don't agree with any-- 1:08:55.125 --> 1:08:58.000 well, most of the things you say, think, or do, but, uh... 1:08:58.250 --> 1:09:00.833 for some strange reason, 1:09:01.541 --> 1:09:02.666 now I can see a... 1:09:04.583 --> 1:09:06.416 a necessity for a Bergoglio. 1:09:07.541 --> 1:09:10.625 But I cannot do this without knowing that there is, at least, 1:09:10.708 --> 1:09:12.833 -a possibility that you might be chosen. -No. 1:09:14.750 --> 1:09:16.541 It could never be me. 1:09:16.625 --> 1:09:17.458 All right. 1:09:17.541 --> 1:09:19.125 -We are at an impasse. -[sighs] 1:09:19.208 --> 1:09:22.583 You cannot retire from the Church unless I agree to your going, 1:09:22.791 --> 1:09:25.208 and I cannot resign until you agree to stay. 1:09:26.125 --> 1:09:28.041 It's a conundrum. A theological conundrum. 1:09:28.125 --> 1:09:30.583 You don't understand. It could never be me. 1:09:30.666 --> 1:09:33.041 We know in our heart of hearts that it could be. 1:09:33.166 --> 1:09:36.041 The Church needs to change, and you could be that change. 1:09:36.125 --> 1:09:39.833 [sighs] Oh. No. No, uh... Not me. Never. 1:09:39.916 --> 1:09:41.750 -It couldn't be me. -[Benedict] Why not? 1:09:42.166 --> 1:09:43.166 [sighs, chuckles] 1:09:43.625 --> 1:09:45.625 [footsteps approaching] 1:09:50.458 --> 1:09:51.500 You know why. 1:09:52.583 --> 1:09:53.875 I've read your files. 1:09:54.375 --> 1:09:55.416 [clicks tongue] No. 1:09:56.666 --> 1:09:59.208 The files... are incomplete. 1:09:59.625 --> 1:10:00.833 [Benedict] How incomplete? 1:10:00.916 --> 1:10:01.833 [siren wailing] 1:10:02.125 --> 1:10:04.916 [Jorge Videla, in Spanish] People of Argentina: 1:10:06.958 --> 1:10:11.833 The country faces a hard moment in its history... 1:10:12.166 --> 1:10:13.708 [Bergoglio, in English] In the '70s, 1:10:13.833 --> 1:10:17.333 the government was overthrown by a military dictatorship. 1:10:17.791 --> 1:10:21.500 At that time, I became the head of Jesuit priests in Argentina. 1:10:22.250 --> 1:10:23.583 [in Spanish] I remarried. 1:10:23.666 --> 1:10:25.833 [young Bergoglio] In other words, you live with someone. 1:10:27.666 --> 1:10:29.875 [Bergoglio, in English] Everybody was a suspect. 1:10:29.958 --> 1:10:31.416 [indistinct distant shouting] 1:10:31.500 --> 1:10:33.500 [soldiers speaking Spanish] 1:10:35.791 --> 1:10:38.625 -[man speaking Spanish on radio] -[men shouting in Spanish] 1:10:38.708 --> 1:10:40.958 [Bergoglio, in English] Thirty thousand people were killed. 1:10:41.041 --> 1:10:44.000 -[in Spanish] What happened? -We want our children. Where are they? 1:10:44.083 --> 1:10:47.166 [Bergoglio, in English] Anyone who disagreed disappeared. 1:10:47.833 --> 1:10:49.583 Esther, my old boss. 1:10:50.333 --> 1:10:51.333 My friend. 1:10:52.291 --> 1:10:53.625 Her daughter was among them. 1:10:53.708 --> 1:10:54.708 [man speaking on radio] 1:10:54.791 --> 1:10:59.125 [in Spanish] We Argentinians say there are thousands and thousands... 1:10:59.208 --> 1:11:04.291 of mothers and families suffering in pain, anguish, and despair. 1:11:04.375 --> 1:11:07.041 We don't know where our children are! 1:11:07.125 --> 1:11:08.583 [officer] They say you lie. 1:11:08.666 --> 1:11:09.958 We are lying? 1:11:10.375 --> 1:11:13.291 That our children disappeared? 1:11:13.666 --> 1:11:15.291 Where are they? 1:11:15.375 --> 1:11:16.208 Cowards! 1:11:16.666 --> 1:11:19.958 The so-called Christian Army have them! 1:11:20.583 --> 1:11:22.333 [crowd chanting] 1:11:22.416 --> 1:11:23.958 [Bergoglio, in English] Many priests were seen 1:11:24.041 --> 1:11:26.375 as supporters of the armed resistance. 1:11:26.458 --> 1:11:28.333 [in Spanish] ...neither oppressors nor oppressed. 1:11:28.416 --> 1:11:29.250 [group] Amen. 1:11:29.333 --> 1:11:31.000 [men speaking Spanish] 1:11:31.083 --> 1:11:34.541 [Bergoglio, in English] Father Mugica, the voice of the poor in Argentina... 1:11:34.625 --> 1:11:35.458 [rapid gunfire] 1:11:35.541 --> 1:11:38.250 ...was martyred in 1974. 1:11:38.333 --> 1:11:40.333 -[men shouting] -[Bergoglio] After him... 1:11:40.416 --> 1:11:43.625 -[gunshot] -...many priests and nuns were killed. 1:11:43.708 --> 1:11:45.750 [man speaking Spanish on radio] 1:11:47.291 --> 1:11:48.291 [gunshot] 1:11:48.750 --> 1:11:50.541 [tires screech in distance] 1:11:52.041 --> 1:11:55.333 [sighs, in English] This is not a time I'm proud of, Father. 1:11:56.625 --> 1:11:59.416 I felt my job was to make sure my priests were safe. 1:11:59.750 --> 1:12:03.125 -[officer speaking Spanish] -[crowd replies in Spanish] 1:12:04.500 --> 1:12:05.458 [in Spanish] Father. 1:12:05.541 --> 1:12:07.000 [Bergoglio, in English] And I spoke with Massera, 1:12:07.083 --> 1:12:09.291 one of the leaders of the junta. 1:12:11.083 --> 1:12:14.250 -Tried to reason with him. -[man, in Spanish] Admiral. 1:12:15.041 --> 1:12:16.666 [in English] To compromise. 1:12:17.166 --> 1:12:19.458 [man, in Spanish] Father Bergoglio, from the seminary. 1:12:19.541 --> 1:12:21.916 -[Massera] The seminary? -[young Bergoglio] Nice to meet you. 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:25.625 [Massera] Where Jesuits become Marxists through books. 1:12:26.666 --> 1:12:29.375 -He is with us and got rid of the books. -Hm. 1:12:29.500 --> 1:12:33.416 Maybe a priest took them to a mission. 1:12:35.083 --> 1:12:37.291 [laughs] It is a joke. 1:12:37.375 --> 1:12:38.750 My chaplain is a Jesuit. 1:12:39.291 --> 1:12:40.708 I'm listening, Bergoglio. 1:12:40.791 --> 1:12:44.000 Hélder Câmara, Church and Development. 1:12:44.083 --> 1:12:46.333 Yankee Imperialism in Latin America, Olivares. 1:12:46.416 --> 1:12:47.666 [doorbell rings] 1:12:48.625 --> 1:12:50.291 -[Esther] Hola, Jorge. -[kiss] 1:12:51.291 --> 1:12:53.666 [Esther] I didn't understand the call. What's happening? 1:12:53.750 --> 1:12:56.791 They are watching you, Esther. We need to clear the house. 1:12:58.291 --> 1:12:59.291 Books, 1:13:00.375 --> 1:13:01.541 pamphlets... 1:13:01.625 --> 1:13:02.500 All of it. 1:13:03.500 --> 1:13:05.583 Why the urgency? 1:13:05.666 --> 1:13:06.708 [young Bergoglio] Gramsci. 1:13:06.791 --> 1:13:08.541 The Working Class. Peronism. 1:13:08.833 --> 1:13:10.208 Brecht. Marx. 1:13:10.375 --> 1:13:11.666 Psychoanalysis. 1:13:12.666 --> 1:13:15.041 How do you know they're watching? 1:13:16.875 --> 1:13:18.208 Who are you talking to? 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:21.666 [young Bergoglio speaking Spanish] 1:13:22.625 --> 1:13:24.875 See this guy protesting with you? 1:13:25.333 --> 1:13:26.458 Gustavo. 1:13:26.875 --> 1:13:27.708 No. 1:13:28.833 --> 1:13:30.208 His name is Astiz. 1:13:31.791 --> 1:13:34.208 Personal friend of Admiral Massera. 1:13:35.791 --> 1:13:38.041 Otherwise known as the "Blond Angel of Death." 1:13:39.250 --> 1:13:40.666 An informer. 1:13:41.916 --> 1:13:44.083 He’s a son of a bitch. 1:13:44.166 --> 1:13:45.000 [speaking Spanish] 1:13:49.250 --> 1:13:50.500 [speaking Spanish] 1:13:55.833 --> 1:13:57.791 How long will you stay quiet? 1:14:00.041 --> 1:14:01.291 Why don't you speak out? 1:14:02.416 --> 1:14:04.500 Why don’t you speak out? 1:14:05.208 --> 1:14:07.041 [young Bergoglio] If I speak, I can't help. 1:14:07.125 --> 1:14:09.916 No. If you spoke, you would be one more, like us. 1:14:10.500 --> 1:14:13.250 You like to be the one in the admiral's palace... 1:14:13.541 --> 1:14:14.541 making contacts. 1:14:15.125 --> 1:14:16.041 Right? 1:14:20.708 --> 1:14:24.041 [Bergoglio, in English] In this moment, she looked at me like I was a stranger. 1:14:28.166 --> 1:14:29.333 [car engine starts] 1:14:32.583 --> 1:14:33.875 [Bergoglio] With fear. 1:14:37.458 --> 1:14:39.833 That was the last time I ever saw her. 1:14:42.375 --> 1:14:43.708 She warned me, 1:14:43.791 --> 1:14:45.416 -and I didn't listen. -[man shouting] 1:14:45.500 --> 1:14:48.083 -[men speaking Spanish] - [Bergoglio, in English] Had I listened, 1:14:48.166 --> 1:14:50.375 I would not have made the mistakes that I made. 1:14:50.458 --> 1:14:52.458 [all speaking Spanish] 1:14:55.208 --> 1:14:56.458 [Jalics, in Spanish] I was his teacher. 1:14:56.541 --> 1:14:59.083 Now he's head of the Jesuits in Argentina. 1:14:59.500 --> 1:15:01.125 And Uruguay. 1:15:01.208 --> 1:15:03.541 These are the guys learning skills. 1:15:03.666 --> 1:15:05.833 Come meet the boys I mentioned. 1:15:05.916 --> 1:15:06.875 [speaking Spanish] 1:15:06.958 --> 1:15:08.500 [Jalics] They're real artists! 1:15:08.625 --> 1:15:09.916 [young Bergoglio] Jalics! 1:15:11.125 --> 1:15:13.083 You need to close down Rivadavia. 1:15:13.958 --> 1:15:14.958 [scoffs] 1:15:16.666 --> 1:15:17.541 What? 1:15:17.625 --> 1:15:19.583 I need you to close this mission. 1:15:21.958 --> 1:15:22.833 [Jalics] Yorio! 1:15:23.916 --> 1:15:26.000 We didn't build this for nothing. 1:15:26.083 --> 1:15:27.541 We can't abandon people. 1:15:27.625 --> 1:15:31.583 With Massera, if we haven't lost a Jesuit-- 1:15:31.666 --> 1:15:33.750 It's because you didn’t speak out. 1:15:34.833 --> 1:15:37.083 And made us irrelevant. 1:15:41.291 --> 1:15:42.916 They’re watching... 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:44.916 and don’t like what they see. 1:15:45.208 --> 1:15:47.041 I know! 1:15:49.708 --> 1:15:51.875 -[Yorio] How? -[young Bergoglio] What? 1:15:52.958 --> 1:15:55.541 How do you know that, Jorge? 1:15:58.125 --> 1:16:00.125 [Jalics] Did you go to President Videla's house? 1:16:01.833 --> 1:16:03.250 To give communion? 1:16:07.041 --> 1:16:08.541 They are assassins, Jorge. 1:16:15.166 --> 1:16:16.875 My role is to protect the Order. 1:16:17.666 --> 1:16:18.791 [Yorio] Ah. 1:16:18.875 --> 1:16:21.708 That's our calling now? To protect ourselves? 1:16:22.583 --> 1:16:24.625 [Jalics] I taught you... 1:16:25.333 --> 1:16:26.958 How do we know Christ? 1:16:27.250 --> 1:16:28.416 By following in His footsteps. 1:16:28.500 --> 1:16:30.041 Where do they lead? 1:16:30.125 --> 1:16:30.958 Here. 1:16:31.041 --> 1:16:33.250 [young Bergoglio] Or before a firing squad! 1:16:33.333 --> 1:16:35.166 If that's so, so be it! 1:16:37.041 --> 1:16:38.958 [young Bergoglio] I'm your superior. 1:16:39.291 --> 1:16:42.541 I'm begging you to return to the seminary! 1:16:43.125 --> 1:16:44.416 If we don't obey? 1:16:45.583 --> 1:16:48.125 [young Bergoglio] You are Jesuits. You made vows! 1:16:49.416 --> 1:16:51.750 Break them, and you're no longer Jesuits! 1:16:51.833 --> 1:16:54.666 If we aren’t Jesuits, we lose protection. 1:16:55.458 --> 1:16:57.375 It's like a death sentence. 1:16:57.458 --> 1:16:59.916 So keep your vows. Damn it! 1:17:01.083 --> 1:17:03.458 We refuse to cease our work. 1:17:04.416 --> 1:17:06.458 You keep drinking tea with killers. 1:17:08.083 --> 1:17:10.083 Listen to me! 1:17:10.166 --> 1:17:12.625 I'll talk to whoever helps me save lives. 1:17:12.875 --> 1:17:13.750 Mm-hmm. 1:17:13.833 --> 1:17:17.708 And you obey. Shut down the project! 1:17:17.791 --> 1:17:18.791 [chuckles] 1:17:18.875 --> 1:17:20.041 It is an order. 1:17:20.583 --> 1:17:21.541 [sighs] 1:17:22.791 --> 1:17:25.250 You hear? It's an order! 1:17:27.250 --> 1:17:29.583 [Bergoglio, in English] But they disobeyed my orders. 1:17:30.958 --> 1:17:32.875 Questioned my authority. 1:17:40.958 --> 1:17:44.625 You talk about, uh... your authority. What did you do with that authority? 1:17:44.875 --> 1:17:46.083 [speaks indistinctly] 1:17:48.416 --> 1:17:50.958 [Benedict] You used it to save dozens of lives. 1:17:51.500 --> 1:17:52.500 It's in your file. 1:17:52.916 --> 1:17:55.000 [in Spanish] I brought you some food... 1:17:55.083 --> 1:17:57.458 [Benedict, in English] And you hid families of trade unionists 1:17:57.541 --> 1:17:58.666 in the seminary. 1:17:59.041 --> 1:18:02.000 You even drove some of them up to the border yourself. 1:18:02.083 --> 1:18:03.791 [stammers] It wasn't enough. 1:18:04.375 --> 1:18:07.083 No. No, not for your... 1:18:08.041 --> 1:18:10.250 brother Jesuits, no. 1:18:10.791 --> 1:18:12.416 [young Bergoglio in Spanish] It's an order! 1:18:14.166 --> 1:18:17.291 [Bergoglio, in English] Pride... obscured my judgment. 1:18:19.500 --> 1:18:21.708 Their right to say Mass was removed. 1:18:21.916 --> 1:18:24.625 And with it, the protection of the Church. 1:18:28.875 --> 1:18:30.958 I was supposed to protect them. 1:18:31.500 --> 1:18:32.416 I failed. 1:18:32.500 --> 1:18:34.500 [engines revving] 1:18:37.916 --> 1:18:39.416 [men shouting] 1:18:39.500 --> 1:18:40.833 [horn honks] 1:18:56.125 --> 1:18:57.250 [soldiers shout] 1:19:00.208 --> 1:19:01.750 [Jalics, in Spanish] Go home! 1:19:01.833 --> 1:19:03.291 -[whistle blows] -[indistinct chatter] 1:19:05.666 --> 1:19:08.666 [soldier] The Mass is over. Who's the priest? 1:19:09.583 --> 1:19:10.708 Keep cool. 1:19:11.666 --> 1:19:13.750 Gentlemen, calm down, please. 1:19:13.833 --> 1:19:15.166 [parishioners scream] 1:19:15.958 --> 1:19:17.500 [Jalics pleads in Spanish] 1:19:19.250 --> 1:19:21.250 [indistinct shouting] 1:19:35.291 --> 1:19:38.208 Yorio! [shouting in Spanish] 1:19:45.875 --> 1:19:49.500 [Bergoglio, in English] It's not easy to entrust oneself to God's mercy. 1:19:50.083 --> 1:19:54.875 I know He has a very special capacity for forgetting our mistakes. 1:19:55.666 --> 1:19:56.791 God forgets, 1:19:57.208 --> 1:19:58.208 but I don't. 1:19:58.541 --> 1:20:00.541 [indistinct shouting] 1:20:04.833 --> 1:20:07.375 They were taken away and tortured for months. 1:20:09.416 --> 1:20:11.000 Their hands were broken. 1:20:11.125 --> 1:20:13.125 [footsteps echoing] 1:20:15.333 --> 1:20:16.333 [man speaking Spanish] 1:20:16.416 --> 1:20:17.333 [in Spanish] Admiral. 1:20:17.750 --> 1:20:18.583 The priest. 1:20:19.666 --> 1:20:20.791 Come in. 1:20:25.083 --> 1:20:26.208 [door closes] 1:20:28.708 --> 1:20:29.583 Bergoglio. 1:20:30.875 --> 1:20:32.166 [young Bergoglio] Admiral. 1:20:32.250 --> 1:20:33.291 I'm listening. 1:20:34.333 --> 1:20:37.250 -You have my priests-- -Vilas serves. 1:20:38.041 --> 1:20:39.166 [Vilas grunts on TV] 1:20:40.541 --> 1:20:42.166 [Massera] He is good, right? 1:20:43.458 --> 1:20:44.708 Admiral, 1:20:45.375 --> 1:20:48.875 you have my priests Jalics and Yorio... 1:20:48.958 --> 1:20:50.458 detained. 1:20:50.541 --> 1:20:53.291 They are not political. 1:20:53.708 --> 1:20:55.125 [Massera] Why did you kick them out? 1:20:55.208 --> 1:20:57.916 They were temporarily suspended. 1:20:58.000 --> 1:20:59.875 A technical matter. 1:21:00.208 --> 1:21:01.750 Who told you? 1:21:01.833 --> 1:21:03.708 We see and hear everything. 1:21:04.250 --> 1:21:05.958 [young Bergoglio] Four months. 1:21:06.125 --> 1:21:07.416 What are you doing to them? 1:21:07.500 --> 1:21:08.791 [Massera] Enough, Bergoglio! 1:21:08.875 --> 1:21:11.666 I know full well where my priests are! 1:21:11.750 --> 1:21:13.458 They're not your priests. 1:21:13.958 --> 1:21:15.375 You just said so. 1:21:16.625 --> 1:21:18.083 It's a "technical matter." 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:21.125 -[announcer, in English] That's in! -[crowd applauds] 1:21:21.208 --> 1:21:25.125 [in Spanish] You should think before you act. 1:21:28.958 --> 1:21:31.125 [in English] My words had no impact. 1:21:32.166 --> 1:21:33.291 It was empty. 1:21:34.333 --> 1:21:36.250 [Benedict] But you did all you could. 1:21:36.416 --> 1:21:38.416 [indistinct chatter] 1:21:41.375 --> 1:21:45.250 -It wasn't enough. -[Benedict] All dictatorships... 1:21:46.166 --> 1:21:48.250 take away our freedom to choose. 1:21:48.541 --> 1:21:49.625 We both know that. 1:21:49.833 --> 1:21:52.208 [Bergoglio] Or reveal our own weaknesses. 1:21:52.291 --> 1:21:55.833 [football announcer shouting excitedly in Spanish on radio] 1:22:04.125 --> 1:22:05.458 [sobbing] 1:22:08.291 --> 1:22:10.041 [panting and whimpering] 1:22:10.583 --> 1:22:13.208 [Bergoglio] And then, they took Esther. 1:22:15.458 --> 1:22:18.333 There were so many bodies washed up on the shore, 1:22:18.416 --> 1:22:20.875 the Coast Guard complained they couldn't cope. [sighs] 1:22:20.958 --> 1:22:22.958 [wind howling] 1:22:37.458 --> 1:22:38.500 My dear friend... 1:22:41.625 --> 1:22:42.625 And where was I? 1:22:46.750 --> 1:22:48.416 Where was Christ in all this? 1:22:49.750 --> 1:22:52.541 Was he taking tea in the presidential palace? 1:22:53.958 --> 1:22:56.083 Or was he being tortured in prisons, 1:22:56.791 --> 1:22:58.291 with Yorio and Jalics? 1:22:58.958 --> 1:22:59.791 [Benedict] Hm. 1:23:01.500 --> 1:23:03.958 Well, perhaps the path appears straight when we... 1:23:04.541 --> 1:23:05.500 look back at it. 1:23:07.541 --> 1:23:09.625 On the way, we often feel lost. 1:23:12.541 --> 1:23:15.250 The dark night of the soul. Hm. 1:23:18.375 --> 1:23:19.291 Hm. 1:23:20.041 --> 1:23:21.666 [man speaking Spanish on radio] 1:23:21.750 --> 1:23:23.833 [Benedict, in English] After the dictatorship fell 1:23:23.916 --> 1:23:25.125 and democracy returned, 1:23:25.250 --> 1:23:26.583 your order turned on you. 1:23:27.375 --> 1:23:28.458 [priest speaking Spanish] 1:23:29.666 --> 1:23:31.708 [Benedict, in English] You were cast out of office, 1:23:32.500 --> 1:23:33.958 removed from your position, 1:23:34.916 --> 1:23:36.666 stripped of all authority, 1:23:36.750 --> 1:23:37.958 sent abroad. 1:23:38.041 --> 1:23:41.166 [Raúl Alfonsín speaking Spanish on broadcast] 1:23:46.250 --> 1:23:48.291 [crowds cheering] 1:23:49.125 --> 1:23:51.958 [Julio César Strassera speaking Spanish on radio] 1:23:56.541 --> 1:24:00.333 [Benedict] They accused you of hard-line views, of being right-wing, 1:24:00.708 --> 1:24:02.916 of having sinned by doing too little, 1:24:03.500 --> 1:24:05.166 of being egotistical. 1:24:06.166 --> 1:24:07.833 You were sent to the mountains, 1:24:08.541 --> 1:24:09.375 exiled. 1:24:12.458 --> 1:24:16.666 [man, in Spanish] God bless this food... 1:24:17.541 --> 1:24:20.708 [praying in Spanish] 1:24:27.750 --> 1:24:30.000 [Bergoglio, in English] Two years of introspection, 1:24:30.500 --> 1:24:31.916 of dark days and nights. 1:24:33.125 --> 1:24:35.250 [Benedict] Of interior crisis. 1:24:35.333 --> 1:24:37.166 -[thunder rumbles] -[Benedict] Of change. 1:24:37.250 --> 1:24:39.291 NEW EVANGELISM FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE EXCLUDED 1:24:39.375 --> 1:24:42.125 [woman 1, in Spanish] Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. 1:24:42.208 --> 1:24:46.125 I hate my former mother-in-law. 1:24:46.583 --> 1:24:48.833 I want to kill her. 1:24:48.916 --> 1:24:51.000 [man 1] Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. 1:24:51.083 --> 1:24:53.958 [Bergoglio, in English] I heard a lot of confessions. I learned to listen. 1:24:54.041 --> 1:24:56.958 [man 1, in Spanish] I have bad thoughts. I masturbate many times a day. 1:24:57.041 --> 1:24:58.791 [man 2] Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. 1:24:58.875 --> 1:25:00.791 I live in sin constantly... 1:25:01.625 --> 1:25:03.666 [man 3] ...I feel very ashamed about it... 1:25:03.750 --> 1:25:05.708 [woman 2] I'm always depressed. 1:25:05.791 --> 1:25:08.000 [man 1] ...looking at them with sexual desire... 1:25:08.083 --> 1:25:09.833 [confessions overlapping] 1:25:09.916 --> 1:25:11.458 I feel I'm a fraud... 1:25:11.583 --> 1:25:13.375 [confessions grow louder] 1:25:25.958 --> 1:25:27.958 [silence falls] 1:25:41.250 --> 1:25:43.250 [wind blowing] 1:25:44.875 --> 1:25:46.875 [young Bergoglio] I had a TV. 1:25:50.333 --> 1:25:51.666 I liked to watch football. 1:25:53.291 --> 1:25:55.958 A TV needs an antenna and a signal. 1:25:57.958 --> 1:26:00.375 Sometimes the signal is bad. 1:26:01.333 --> 1:26:06.083 We don't know why, but sometimes it doesn't work. 1:26:08.166 --> 1:26:10.166 It's the same when we pray. 1:26:12.125 --> 1:26:16.375 Sometimes the signal God sends us is strong and clear. 1:26:17.000 --> 1:26:19.750 It works fine. One feels the connection, 1:26:19.833 --> 1:26:22.750 that we are really plugged-in, 1:26:22.833 --> 1:26:24.541 in direct contact. 1:26:26.375 --> 1:26:28.458 But other days... 1:26:31.208 --> 1:26:33.916 one can only say, 1:26:34.708 --> 1:26:37.000 "Well... at least I tried." 1:26:38.458 --> 1:26:41.666 But you've gotten nothing back. 1:26:42.666 --> 1:26:44.666 You don't have an answer. 1:26:48.416 --> 1:26:52.750 You say, "Father, that doesn't happen to you." 1:26:53.958 --> 1:26:57.125 People believe that for us it's different... 1:26:57.208 --> 1:26:58.583 That we have... 1:26:59.583 --> 1:27:01.250 a direct line with God. 1:27:03.791 --> 1:27:05.041 No, it's not like that. 1:27:05.791 --> 1:27:08.916 For us, it's the same as for you, and you... 1:27:16.666 --> 1:27:17.958 [sighs] 1:27:20.791 --> 1:27:22.416 What I mean is... 1:27:27.541 --> 1:27:29.791 today, I'm not worthy of delivering a sermon. 1:27:32.291 --> 1:27:36.333 My words would be empty. 1:27:41.083 --> 1:27:43.208 Today, you should teach me. 1:27:47.333 --> 1:27:48.833 That would be the best. 1:27:56.958 --> 1:27:58.958 [wind blows] 1:28:13.708 --> 1:28:16.500 [faint ringing] 1:28:18.125 --> 1:28:21.875 [applause] 1:28:21.958 --> 1:28:24.916 [Bergoglio, in English] We have known tyranny in this country... 1:28:25.000 --> 1:28:26.625 [camera shutters clicking] 1:28:26.708 --> 1:28:30.541 ...but a new tyranny rises up. 1:28:31.291 --> 1:28:32.583 Not just here, 1:28:33.250 --> 1:28:34.666 but around the world. 1:28:34.750 --> 1:28:39.000 [in Spanish] You talk about tyranny! Your friends were tyrants! 1:28:39.083 --> 1:28:41.583 They took away our companions! 1:28:41.666 --> 1:28:43.750 [man 1] You are an accomplice. 1:28:43.833 --> 1:28:45.416 Friend of the military! 1:28:45.500 --> 1:28:48.291 -Tell the truth! -Where are they? 1:28:48.583 --> 1:28:51.041 -[man 1] Where are they? -[both] Where are they? 1:28:52.083 --> 1:28:54.083 [crowd murmuring] 1:28:54.375 --> 1:28:55.541 [door closes] 1:28:55.625 --> 1:28:57.041 [in English] A tyranny... 1:28:57.583 --> 1:29:00.166 not just of repression... 1:29:00.791 --> 1:29:02.166 and oppression... 1:29:02.958 --> 1:29:03.958 or terror. 1:29:04.750 --> 1:29:08.041 A tyranny of unfair economic structures... 1:29:09.916 --> 1:29:12.708 that create huge inequalities. 1:29:14.416 --> 1:29:15.250 You know, 1:29:15.958 --> 1:29:19.500 20 percent of the world's population 1:29:20.166 --> 1:29:22.083 consumes resources 1:29:22.375 --> 1:29:24.916 at a rate that robs the poor nations 1:29:25.458 --> 1:29:27.291 and future generations 1:29:27.375 --> 1:29:29.791 of what they need to survive. 1:29:29.875 --> 1:29:33.666 -[gentle acoustic guitar music playing] -[wind blows] 1:29:33.750 --> 1:29:35.750 [Bergoglio] Just as the commandment 1:29:36.333 --> 1:29:37.875 "Thou shalt not kill" 1:29:38.916 --> 1:29:41.000 sets a clear limit 1:29:41.583 --> 1:29:44.708 so to safeguard the value of human life, 1:29:45.625 --> 1:29:46.666 so today, 1:29:47.291 --> 1:29:50.625 we also have to say, "Thou shalt not" 1:29:51.750 --> 1:29:54.375 to an economy of exclusion... 1:29:56.083 --> 1:29:57.541 and inequality 1:29:58.125 --> 1:30:00.250 which idolizes money. 1:30:04.958 --> 1:30:06.666 Every community... 1:30:07.541 --> 1:30:10.916 is called to be an instrument for the liberation... 1:30:12.333 --> 1:30:17.041 the liberation and promotion of the poor. 1:30:21.125 --> 1:30:23.125 ["Cuando Tenga la Tierra" playing] 1:30:29.708 --> 1:30:31.125 [young Bergoglio, in Spanish] How difficult it is 1:30:31.208 --> 1:30:33.041 to get out of ourselves sometimes 1:30:33.666 --> 1:30:35.333 and stop being selfish. 1:30:36.166 --> 1:30:37.666 Because we think, 1:30:38.250 --> 1:30:42.625 "I'll be an idol, be loved, be the Lord." 1:30:42.708 --> 1:30:43.666 It's not like that. 1:30:44.166 --> 1:30:45.875 There's only one Lord. Up there. 1:30:47.500 --> 1:30:49.291 So, I want you to pass the ball. 1:30:49.416 --> 1:30:52.416 Román, you have Lucas here. Look at him! 1:30:52.500 --> 1:30:53.750 [Román] Sí. 1:30:53.833 --> 1:30:55.833 -Is it clear? -[boys] Sí. 1:30:55.916 --> 1:30:57.291 -Understood? -[boys] Yes. 1:30:57.375 --> 1:30:59.000 -Understood? -[boys] Yes! 1:30:59.083 --> 1:31:00.625 [young Bergoglio] Let's play! 1:31:00.708 --> 1:31:02.666 [boys shout] 1:31:02.750 --> 1:31:05.583 [young Bergoglio] With heart and short passes! 1:31:06.750 --> 1:31:08.541 Now you are playing as a team. 1:31:12.125 --> 1:31:15.458 [Bergoglio, in English] We need bridges, not walls. Thank you. 1:31:16.750 --> 1:31:18.125 [in Spanish] Nice to meet you. 1:31:18.250 --> 1:31:20.458 It's a pleasure to listen to you. 1:31:20.541 --> 1:31:23.708 [Benedict, in English] It took years until Cardinal Quarracino noticed you 1:31:23.791 --> 1:31:25.666 at an international conference. 1:31:27.208 --> 1:31:28.458 You were made bishop. 1:31:30.166 --> 1:31:31.666 But you did not live like one. 1:31:33.083 --> 1:31:34.541 You renounced luxury. 1:31:35.833 --> 1:31:39.208 You did the work once denied by Fathers Yorio and Jalics. 1:31:39.291 --> 1:31:40.833 [speaking Spanish] 1:31:40.916 --> 1:31:42.416 [congregation] Sí. 1:31:42.500 --> 1:31:43.916 [Bergoglio] I tried to walk the road 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:46.083 from which I had banished them. 1:31:47.541 --> 1:31:48.875 Every vegetable I chopped, 1:31:49.708 --> 1:31:52.208 every eviction we stopped, 1:31:52.291 --> 1:31:57.083 every case we won, I saw as some kind of penance. 1:31:57.583 --> 1:31:59.250 -[Benedict] Yeah. -[chuckles] 1:32:00.958 --> 1:32:02.958 Hm. [takes a deep breath] 1:32:04.541 --> 1:32:07.000 [clicks tongue] I'm just gonna tell you one little thing. 1:32:07.541 --> 1:32:08.958 We all suffer from... 1:32:09.916 --> 1:32:11.166 spiritual pride. 1:32:11.250 --> 1:32:12.250 We all do. 1:32:12.958 --> 1:32:14.500 You must remember that, uh... 1:32:16.083 --> 1:32:17.125 you are not God. 1:32:18.291 --> 1:32:20.666 "In God, we move, and live, and have our being." 1:32:21.083 --> 1:32:23.083 We live in God, but we are not of it. 1:32:23.416 --> 1:32:24.708 You're only human. 1:32:28.083 --> 1:32:31.583 -But... there he is. -[chuckles softly] 1:32:36.791 --> 1:32:39.333 Human. Yeah. 1:32:41.791 --> 1:32:43.125 So... [sighs] 1:32:43.208 --> 1:32:46.291 ...if you'll allow me, my son. 1:32:47.750 --> 1:32:48.583 You must... 1:32:49.333 --> 1:32:51.833 believe in the mercy that you preach. 1:32:53.583 --> 1:32:54.916 [in Latin] I absolve you 1:32:55.166 --> 1:32:57.875 in the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. 1:32:58.250 --> 1:32:59.666 -[softly] Amen. -Hm. 1:33:02.291 --> 1:33:04.041 -[in English] Thank you, Father. -[door opens] 1:33:04.125 --> 1:33:05.291 [man, in Italian] Holy Father. 1:33:05.375 --> 1:33:06.375 It's nine o'clock. 1:33:06.458 --> 1:33:09.375 -They are opening the doors to the public. -[Benedict, in English] I forgot. 1:33:09.458 --> 1:33:10.333 Grazie. Danke. 1:33:10.416 --> 1:33:11.958 [in Italian] Would you like me to delay the opening? 1:33:12.041 --> 1:33:13.916 [in English] No. Most of these people have waited 1:33:14.000 --> 1:33:16.458 -most of their lives to see this. -[chuckles] 1:33:16.750 --> 1:33:17.750 [Benedict] This way. 1:33:18.416 --> 1:33:20.291 Yeah. Come with me, I want to show you something. 1:33:20.375 --> 1:33:22.458 -[Bergoglio] Grazie. -[Benedict] This is the sacristy, 1:33:22.541 --> 1:33:25.208 -known as the Chamber of Tears. -[Bergoglio] Ah. 1:33:25.291 --> 1:33:29.208 [Benedict] I don't know if they're the tears of, uh, joy or tears of sorrow. 1:33:29.750 --> 1:33:32.583 You know, I came in through that door as Joseph Ratzinger, 1:33:32.666 --> 1:33:34.083 and I went out through the same door 1:33:34.166 --> 1:33:36.583 -as Pope Benedict XVI. -[Bergoglio] Ah. 1:33:39.750 --> 1:33:40.750 Oh! 1:33:41.708 --> 1:33:42.625 Grazie. 1:33:42.916 --> 1:33:43.916 Thank you. 1:33:45.083 --> 1:33:47.250 Holy Father, are-- are you hungry? 1:33:47.875 --> 1:33:49.208 -Hungry? -Ah, sí. 1:33:49.500 --> 1:33:51.666 Yes, perhaps, you know, I think I am hungry. 1:33:51.750 --> 1:33:55.250 -Do you want me to ask the kitchen to... -No, no, no, there's no need. There's a... 1:33:55.333 --> 1:33:59.166 There is a place just in front of the Porta Angelica. 1:33:59.416 --> 1:34:02.416 Oh, you know it? Excellent pizza and coffee. 1:34:02.500 --> 1:34:03.708 -Pizza? -[Benedict] Yeah. 1:34:03.791 --> 1:34:05.416 -No, no, no, no. -Oh, no? Okay. 1:34:05.500 --> 1:34:06.333 Pizza, okay. 1:34:06.416 --> 1:34:10.708 [in Italian] A margherita and diavola, two Fantas, and a coffee. 1:34:11.166 --> 1:34:13.666 -[in English] Please, no photos. -[assistant] Excuse me. 1:34:13.750 --> 1:34:15.000 -Excuse me. -Whoa! 1:34:15.083 --> 1:34:16.458 [guard] This way. 1:34:16.541 --> 1:34:17.833 Excuse me. 1:34:17.916 --> 1:34:19.416 You know, always, in the past, 1:34:19.500 --> 1:34:22.500 whenever a pope, or Holy Father, would eat, 1:34:22.583 --> 1:34:24.375 at every meal, always at his side, 1:34:25.375 --> 1:34:28.666 would be three Jesuit brothers, and... 1:34:29.458 --> 1:34:31.750 -they were his food tasters. -[chuckles] 1:34:31.958 --> 1:34:36.000 I think the lack of Jesuits has probably poisoned more than one Holy Father. 1:34:36.083 --> 1:34:39.500 [laughs] Perhaps I should take a bite out of your slice, huh? 1:34:39.583 --> 1:34:43.000 -Just to be on the safe side. -No. No. That's mine. That's my pizza. 1:34:44.500 --> 1:34:46.875 -Would you say grace, Holy Father? -[sniffs] Yes. 1:34:47.791 --> 1:34:48.625 Yes. 1:34:53.833 --> 1:34:56.375 Thank you, Lord, for this food that we enjoy here, 1:34:56.875 --> 1:34:58.666 in this place outside of time. 1:34:59.750 --> 1:35:02.833 See, Lord, your Church, your flock 1:35:02.916 --> 1:35:04.833 is under attack, is in crisis. 1:35:05.416 --> 1:35:07.875 God, grant us the wisdom and the strength 1:35:07.958 --> 1:35:10.125 to oppose the hypocrisy that disfigures her. 1:35:11.375 --> 1:35:12.416 St. Francis, 1:35:13.000 --> 1:35:16.250 intercede for us as we seek to repair the Church. 1:35:17.958 --> 1:35:19.583 Would you like to add something? 1:35:20.166 --> 1:35:21.000 Amen. 1:35:21.333 --> 1:35:23.000 Amen. It's good. 1:35:23.083 --> 1:35:23.916 Yeah. 1:35:26.958 --> 1:35:27.833 Mm. 1:35:29.125 --> 1:35:30.208 [in Spanish] Good, isn't it? 1:35:30.291 --> 1:35:31.500 Mm! [munches] 1:35:33.833 --> 1:35:35.291 [in English] You know, I was, um... 1:35:36.583 --> 1:35:38.291 thinking about your teachers, 1:35:39.166 --> 1:35:40.583 Yorio and Jalics. 1:35:40.958 --> 1:35:44.375 -Did you ever reconcile with them? -[Bergoglio] With Jalics, yes. 1:35:44.458 --> 1:35:46.000 We said a Mass together. 1:35:46.083 --> 1:35:48.875 [in Spanish] Can you light the candles, please? 1:35:49.291 --> 1:35:51.000 [Jalics] They're lit, Father. 1:35:51.125 --> 1:35:53.125 [church bells ringing] 1:35:54.708 --> 1:35:55.541 Jalics. 1:35:57.333 --> 1:35:59.791 Can you pass the stole? We're late. 1:36:03.041 --> 1:36:06.000 [young Bergoglio] In the name of the Father, the Son, 1:36:06.083 --> 1:36:07.666 and the Holy Spirit. 1:36:07.750 --> 1:36:09.625 -[bells ring] -[young Bergoglio] Amen. 1:36:10.791 --> 1:36:12.000 Lord, wash me clean... 1:36:12.833 --> 1:36:14.041 from my sins, 1:36:16.125 --> 1:36:17.375 so I can celebrate... 1:36:19.000 --> 1:36:22.666 these sacred mysteries. 1:36:26.958 --> 1:36:28.625 Now, let's give each other, 1:36:29.750 --> 1:36:31.041 everyone, 1:36:32.083 --> 1:36:34.875 a fraternal hug for peace. 1:36:50.875 --> 1:36:52.250 [Bergoglio, in English] We cried... 1:36:53.625 --> 1:36:54.916 in each other's arms. 1:37:19.500 --> 1:37:20.666 [sighs] 1:37:22.791 --> 1:37:23.833 He forgave me. 1:37:27.625 --> 1:37:28.833 [Benedict] And Yorio? 1:37:29.750 --> 1:37:30.583 No. 1:37:32.208 --> 1:37:34.833 To the end, he saw me as a traitor. 1:37:36.875 --> 1:37:38.416 [sighs] And then he died. 1:37:40.708 --> 1:37:44.791 I'm still seen as a divisive figure in Argentina. 1:37:46.291 --> 1:37:47.125 Huh. 1:37:49.333 --> 1:37:50.166 [chuckles] 1:37:52.041 --> 1:37:53.000 [sighs] 1:37:53.625 --> 1:37:55.375 You know, yesterday you said, uh... 1:37:55.958 --> 1:37:57.291 "Life is never static." 1:37:57.916 --> 1:37:58.750 Yeah? 1:37:59.708 --> 1:38:00.541 Well... 1:38:02.750 --> 1:38:03.750 You know... 1:38:05.458 --> 1:38:09.541 you lead... not by power and not by intellect, 1:38:09.625 --> 1:38:10.708 but you lead by... 1:38:10.791 --> 1:38:12.625 you particularly, you lead by, um... 1:38:13.083 --> 1:38:15.208 the way you live or the way you have lived. 1:38:15.416 --> 1:38:17.208 -You've changed. -[chuckles] 1:38:22.833 --> 1:38:23.958 That man is... 1:38:25.416 --> 1:38:26.500 is still inside me. 1:38:26.583 --> 1:38:27.666 That doubt, it... 1:38:28.500 --> 1:38:29.666 it still exists. 1:38:29.750 --> 1:38:30.750 [Benedict] Mm-hmm. 1:38:31.166 --> 1:38:32.708 -Hmm? -Um... 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:35.166 You think your sins disqualify you, 1:38:35.250 --> 1:38:36.625 but we are all sinners. 1:38:37.375 --> 1:38:39.750 Now, please, hear my confession. 1:38:41.833 --> 1:38:44.208 Well, would you deny me a confession, Bergoglio? 1:38:44.291 --> 1:38:46.708 No, no, don't kneel. Don't kneel. Please, Holy Father. 1:38:46.791 --> 1:38:48.625 -[Benedict] Oh. -[Bergoglio] Sit, please. 1:38:48.708 --> 1:38:53.250 I think if I sit, it'll have to be an informal confession. 1:38:54.833 --> 1:38:55.833 What should I say? 1:38:56.541 --> 1:38:58.458 I don't know. What do you usually say? 1:39:01.750 --> 1:39:03.666 How long since your last confession? 1:39:04.375 --> 1:39:06.541 Eight... seven... eight days. 1:39:07.083 --> 1:39:09.000 And have you sinned greatly in that... 1:39:09.083 --> 1:39:11.250 I'm sorry, I-- I don't mean to imply that you... 1:39:11.333 --> 1:39:13.000 [chuckles] Of course I've sinned. 1:39:14.125 --> 1:39:16.833 Several numerous venial sins, 1:39:17.291 --> 1:39:18.166 and, uh... 1:39:19.125 --> 1:39:21.458 But I'm getting too old and, uh, forgetful 1:39:21.541 --> 1:39:22.875 to remember what they are. 1:39:23.416 --> 1:39:25.000 -Can you say that? -[Benedict] Yeah. 1:39:25.083 --> 1:39:28.125 I didn't know you could say that. That's... That's useful. 1:39:30.750 --> 1:39:34.458 I've sinned against you, Lord, whom I should love above all things. 1:39:37.291 --> 1:39:39.541 As a child, I failed you first by not... 1:39:40.375 --> 1:39:43.083 having the courage to taste of life itself. 1:39:44.958 --> 1:39:47.250 Instead, I hid away in books, and then study. 1:39:48.625 --> 1:39:49.625 [sighs] 1:39:51.833 --> 1:39:53.000 I know now that this... 1:39:54.083 --> 1:39:56.250 left me empty and void of the world... 1:39:56.916 --> 1:40:00.000 [chuckles] ...for which the Church is... meant to help. 1:40:04.583 --> 1:40:05.500 Go on. 1:40:11.166 --> 1:40:12.041 [exhales] 1:40:16.666 --> 1:40:18.625 Remember Father Maciel? 1:40:19.791 --> 1:40:21.708 There were claims 12 years ago 1:40:22.291 --> 1:40:25.125 that his molesting of boys 1:40:25.208 --> 1:40:27.208 continued for decades... [voice fades] 1:40:27.291 --> 1:40:29.291 [high-pitched ringing] 1:40:49.250 --> 1:40:51.250 [ringing fades] 1:40:53.000 --> 1:40:54.166 [takes a deep breath] 1:40:54.291 --> 1:40:59.041 Yes, I did not give sufficient attention to the duties assigned to this one priest. 1:40:59.125 --> 1:41:00.583 Sufficient attention? 1:41:02.583 --> 1:41:03.875 Village after village? 1:41:04.375 --> 1:41:05.208 Yeah. 1:41:05.958 --> 1:41:08.333 -But you knew! -[Benedict] Yes, I should've known. 1:41:09.166 --> 1:41:10.166 I should've known. 1:41:10.750 --> 1:41:12.875 -The facts were sent to me. -[Bergoglio] You said there was more. 1:41:12.958 --> 1:41:16.208 Evidence was placed on my desk, but... 1:41:16.291 --> 1:41:19.000 You forgot to love the people you are meant to protect. 1:41:19.083 --> 1:41:19.916 [Benedict] Yes. 1:41:21.333 --> 1:41:24.458 -I ask forgiveness. -[Bergoglio] Father... 1:41:25.333 --> 1:41:27.625 if this is the sole reason you wish to resign, 1:41:27.708 --> 1:41:31.833 it is even more important that you stay, heal the wound. 1:41:31.916 --> 1:41:34.250 -Listen to me. -Complete the work you have begun. 1:41:34.333 --> 1:41:36.958 You see, every reason I give you is not enough. 1:41:37.041 --> 1:41:38.416 So, let me tell you again, 1:41:38.791 --> 1:41:42.541 I can no longer sit on the Chair of Saint Peter. 1:41:42.625 --> 1:41:45.500 -You're mistaken. -I cannot feel the presence of God. 1:41:45.583 --> 1:41:48.375 I do not hear His voice, do you understand me? 1:41:48.458 --> 1:41:50.666 No. No, you're mistaken. You are mistaken. 1:41:50.750 --> 1:41:52.791 I believe in God. I pray to God! 1:41:53.916 --> 1:41:54.916 Silence! 1:42:06.125 --> 1:42:08.333 I cannot play this role anymore. 1:42:10.208 --> 1:42:11.208 I'm so sorry. 1:42:14.125 --> 1:42:15.166 [exhales] 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:23.208 Since I was a child, as a boy, 1:42:23.291 --> 1:42:25.625 I always felt His presence with me, at my side. 1:42:26.083 --> 1:42:28.541 For my entire life, I have been alone, 1:42:29.083 --> 1:42:31.416 but never lonely, until now. 1:42:31.833 --> 1:42:34.166 [Bergoglio sighs] I'm so sorry. 1:42:35.291 --> 1:42:36.125 Yeah. 1:42:39.875 --> 1:42:42.708 But now I can hear His voice these last two days. 1:42:42.791 --> 1:42:44.208 I've heard His voice again. 1:42:44.291 --> 1:42:45.291 -I'm glad. -Yes. 1:42:47.875 --> 1:42:52.208 And the voice is the last one I expected to hear Him speak with. 1:42:52.625 --> 1:42:53.708 It was your voice. 1:42:54.625 --> 1:42:55.875 -[Bergoglio] No. -Yeah. 1:42:58.666 --> 1:43:02.541 I think, perhaps, I could not hear Him not because He was withdrawing from me, 1:43:03.250 --> 1:43:04.583 but because He was saying, 1:43:06.166 --> 1:43:07.166 "Go, 1:43:07.958 --> 1:43:09.416 my faithful servant." 1:43:14.208 --> 1:43:15.083 [chuckles softly] 1:43:18.083 --> 1:43:20.000 [Bergoglio] God, the Father of mercies, 1:43:20.416 --> 1:43:22.291 has sent the Holy Spirit among us 1:43:22.666 --> 1:43:24.375 for the forgiveness of sins. 1:43:25.375 --> 1:43:27.958 May God grant you His pardon and peace. 1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:31.333 -And I absolve you of your sins. -[exhales] 1:43:32.458 --> 1:43:33.458 And remind you... 1:43:34.666 --> 1:43:36.333 that truth may be vital, 1:43:37.291 --> 1:43:38.583 but without love, 1:43:39.458 --> 1:43:40.666 it is unbearable. 1:43:43.291 --> 1:43:45.458 Caritas in veritate. Your book. 1:43:46.291 --> 1:43:47.541 [sighs] Yeah. 1:43:48.458 --> 1:43:51.958 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. 1:43:52.291 --> 1:43:53.125 Amen. 1:43:53.541 --> 1:43:54.375 Amen. 1:43:56.375 --> 1:43:57.416 [sighs] 1:43:59.166 --> 1:44:02.041 You have lifted a great burden from my shoulders. 1:44:03.541 --> 1:44:05.791 -You have placed a heavy one on mine. -Ah. 1:44:06.041 --> 1:44:06.958 [chuckles softly] 1:44:12.875 --> 1:44:14.000 [indistinct chatter] 1:44:14.833 --> 1:44:16.083 -[Benedict] Huh? -Uh... 1:44:16.625 --> 1:44:19.958 Is there another way out, or shall I call security? 1:44:20.083 --> 1:44:22.833 [Benedict] No, no, no, I've hidden behind security long enough. 1:44:22.916 --> 1:44:24.125 No, they're my people. 1:44:24.208 --> 1:44:25.416 -Oh. -[Benedict] I'm their pope. 1:44:25.500 --> 1:44:27.541 At least, for now. Come on, let's go. 1:44:38.458 --> 1:44:39.708 [Bergoglio] Scusi. Grazie. 1:44:39.791 --> 1:44:42.500 [Benedict] Scusi. Buongiorno. Buongiorno. 1:44:43.458 --> 1:44:46.250 -[visitors chattering] -Buongiorno. Buongiorno. Grazie. 1:44:46.666 --> 1:44:48.416 Buongiorno. Buongiorno. 1:44:48.875 --> 1:44:51.125 [crowd exclaims] 1:44:51.791 --> 1:44:54.750 -[Benedict] Buongiorno. -No, no, no, no. Leave-- Leave him. 1:44:56.166 --> 1:44:58.208 -Look, he's happy. -Hmm? 1:44:58.666 --> 1:45:00.416 [Bergoglio] Let him have his moment. 1:45:00.500 --> 1:45:01.625 [crowd clamoring] 1:45:04.458 --> 1:45:05.458 Hey. 1:45:12.333 --> 1:45:14.500 [crowd cheers] 1:45:16.583 --> 1:45:19.916 [crowd chants] 1:45:21.916 --> 1:45:22.958 [door opens] 1:45:27.958 --> 1:45:30.166 -You must be pleased to go home. -Ah... 1:45:30.583 --> 1:45:33.291 -Speaking English is exhausting. -[chuckles] 1:45:34.083 --> 1:45:37.625 Terrible language, so many exceptions to so many rules. 1:45:37.708 --> 1:45:38.625 Sí. 1:45:39.916 --> 1:45:40.750 Remember... 1:45:41.166 --> 1:45:43.208 [in Latin] ...silence incarnate. 1:45:43.875 --> 1:45:45.000 [Bergoglio chuckles] 1:45:50.666 --> 1:45:53.083 [Benedict, in English] Do you know the story of St. Francis? 1:45:53.166 --> 1:45:54.333 When he was asked to... 1:45:55.041 --> 1:45:58.708 told by God to restore His Church, he thought He meant bricks and mortar. 1:45:58.791 --> 1:46:01.125 -[both chuckle] -[Benedict] Poor St. Francis. 1:46:01.208 --> 1:46:03.333 Even he made mistakes and got things wrong. 1:46:03.416 --> 1:46:05.250 -[Bergoglio] Yeah. -[Benedict] Yeah. 1:46:05.333 --> 1:46:06.166 Well. 1:46:06.333 --> 1:46:07.916 -Ah. -Holy Father. Bye. 1:46:08.000 --> 1:46:09.000 -Bye. -No, please. 1:46:09.083 --> 1:46:11.125 -What? [grunts] -Please. [chuckles] 1:46:11.541 --> 1:46:12.375 What? 1:46:12.458 --> 1:46:15.208 -You know, St. Francis, he loved to dance. -Oh, yes? 1:46:15.291 --> 1:46:17.208 He would have learned to tango. Hm? 1:46:17.291 --> 1:46:19.625 -Well, it's too late for me. -No, no, no, no. 1:46:19.708 --> 1:46:21.125 Come. Come. I'll show you. 1:46:21.208 --> 1:46:22.166 -Come. Come. Come. -No. 1:46:22.250 --> 1:46:24.500 -No, try. Come, I'll teach you. Come. -No. 1:46:24.583 --> 1:46:25.875 -I can't dance. -No, so... 1:46:25.958 --> 1:46:28.708 Now, you see, I go forward with my right. 1:46:28.791 --> 1:46:30.166 -Yeah. -And you go forward... 1:46:30.500 --> 1:46:32.416 [softly] Oh. Non ci credo. 1:46:33.250 --> 1:46:35.583 [counting in Spanish] 1:46:37.416 --> 1:46:39.625 -Huh? One, two... -[chuckles] One, two. 1:46:39.708 --> 1:46:43.250 ...three, four. Half-step. And to the side, to the side. 1:46:43.333 --> 1:46:46.083 -[piano playing] -[counts in Spanish] 1:46:46.791 --> 1:46:48.583 [Benedict] No, no, no. 1:46:48.666 --> 1:46:49.958 No, no, go away. 1:46:50.041 --> 1:46:52.500 Leave me alone! Leave me alone! Go away! Go! 1:46:52.583 --> 1:46:56.541 Auf Wiedersehen. Go. Go. To the airport. Go. Ooh! 1:46:57.875 --> 1:46:58.750 Here. 1:46:59.250 --> 1:47:01.041 -That's for you. -[Bergoglio] Oh! 1:47:01.375 --> 1:47:02.958 -Yeah. Abbey Road. -[Bergoglio] Well... 1:47:03.041 --> 1:47:04.791 -The Beatles. -Absolutely. 1:47:04.875 --> 1:47:06.958 -Go now. -Abbey Road, eh? Beautiful. 1:47:07.208 --> 1:47:08.416 -[Benedict] Ciao. -Thank you. 1:47:08.500 --> 1:47:10.500 -Eh... Well, my friend... -[kisses] 1:47:11.666 --> 1:47:12.708 [grunts softly] 1:47:17.083 --> 1:47:19.666 [Benedict] Right. Go on. Auf Wiedersehen. 1:47:19.875 --> 1:47:22.000 -Auf Wiedersehen. Grazie. -[Benedict] Arrivederci. 1:47:22.416 --> 1:47:23.416 To the airport! 1:47:23.625 --> 1:47:24.708 Don't bring him back. 1:47:24.791 --> 1:47:26.416 -Grazie. -[Benedict] Arrivederci. 1:47:29.166 --> 1:47:30.000 Ciao. 1:47:31.125 --> 1:47:32.666 -[car door closes] -Ciao. 1:47:35.250 --> 1:47:36.333 [car door closes] 1:47:37.791 --> 1:47:39.791 [choral version of "Blackbird" playing] 1:47:48.041 --> 1:47:53.250 ♪ You were only waiting For this moment to arise ♪ 1:47:58.875 --> 1:48:03.416 -[Benedict speaking Latin] -[camera shutter clicks] 1:48:08.208 --> 1:48:09.083 [Bergoglio chuckles] 1:48:09.166 --> 1:48:10.791 [woman, in Spanish] What is it? 1:48:11.458 --> 1:48:14.375 When he has something tricky to say, 1:48:14.458 --> 1:48:15.958 he speaks Latin. 1:48:16.458 --> 1:48:18.458 [continues speaking Latin] 1:48:27.125 --> 1:48:28.666 [cardinal 1, in Italian] Did I hear right? 1:48:28.750 --> 1:48:30.666 -[cardinal 2] Not sure. -[speaks Italian] 1:48:33.375 --> 1:48:34.458 Did you get that? 1:48:35.833 --> 1:48:37.333 [cardinal 3] Are you sure? 1:48:41.375 --> 1:48:43.208 [camera shutter clicking] 1:48:46.250 --> 1:48:47.500 [clears throat] 1:48:49.666 --> 1:48:51.750 [in Spanish] The pope just renounced. 1:48:53.333 --> 1:48:54.416 What? 1:48:54.583 --> 1:48:55.416 Sí. 1:48:59.833 --> 1:49:01.958 [Benedict] Grazie. [grunts] 1:49:03.458 --> 1:49:04.708 [camera beeps, clicks] 1:49:04.791 --> 1:49:07.833 [reporter 1, in English] Believe it or not, this is the last day 1:49:07.916 --> 1:49:09.250 of Benedict XVI's papacy. 1:49:09.333 --> 1:49:12.500 -He's moving to Gandolfo, where he will... -[reporter 2 speaking German] 1:49:12.583 --> 1:49:14.583 [reporter 3] The Holy See had become... 1:49:14.666 --> 1:49:16.000 [reporter 4] ...in his own words, 1:49:16.083 --> 1:49:19.416 "Simply a pilgrim who will still like to work for the common good." 1:49:19.500 --> 1:49:20.750 [broadcasts continue] 1:49:20.833 --> 1:49:24.333 [orchestra playing "Blackbird"] 1:49:24.416 --> 1:49:26.458 [reporter 5] ...world's Catholics are arriving 1:49:26.833 --> 1:49:28.250 to see the election of a new pope, 1:49:28.333 --> 1:49:31.875 and for the first time, they may see that from Latin or North America. 1:49:31.958 --> 1:49:34.250 [reporter 6] Many of the cardinals want to narrow the gap 1:49:34.333 --> 1:49:36.291 between what happens within those walls 1:49:36.375 --> 1:49:38.708 and what goes on out there in the Church in the world. 1:49:38.791 --> 1:49:41.791 [reporter 7] Do you see the conclave going in a more conservative direction 1:49:41.875 --> 1:49:43.208 or a more progressive one? 1:49:43.291 --> 1:49:46.333 ...standing at a crossroads between the old and the new... 1:49:47.041 --> 1:49:50.083 The cardinals are getting ready, in a ritual hours away 1:49:50.166 --> 1:49:52.125 from the first vote for the new pope, 1:49:52.333 --> 1:49:53.375 and they are-- 1:49:53.458 --> 1:49:55.125 -[doors slam] -[broadcasts stop] 1:49:58.833 --> 1:50:01.125 -[pen clicks] -[cardinals speaking Latin] 1:50:01.833 --> 1:50:03.125 -[clinks] -[pen scratching] 1:50:03.208 --> 1:50:04.541 [voices overlap] 1:50:05.166 --> 1:50:06.791 [clinking grows faster] 1:50:08.500 --> 1:50:09.708 -[clangs] -[voices fade] 1:50:10.083 --> 1:50:12.083 [crowd clamoring] 1:50:12.166 --> 1:50:14.166 [camera shutters clicking] 1:50:22.083 --> 1:50:23.000 Bergoglio. 1:50:23.583 --> 1:50:25.708 Bergoglio Cardinalis. 1:50:25.791 --> 1:50:27.000 [reel squeaks] 1:50:27.666 --> 1:50:30.333 [scrutineer] Bergoglio Cardinalis. 1:50:31.625 --> 1:50:33.458 Scola Cardinalis. 1:50:35.625 --> 1:50:38.416 Bergoglio Cardinalis. Bergoglio Cardinalis. 1:50:38.916 --> 1:50:41.666 Scola Cardinalis. Bergoglio Cardinalis. 1:50:41.750 --> 1:50:44.625 Bergoglio Cardinalis. Bergoglio Cardinalis. 1:50:44.708 --> 1:50:46.958 [cardinals applauding] 1:50:47.041 --> 1:50:50.375 [scrutineer echoing] Bergoglio Cardinalis. Bergoglio Cardinalis. 1:50:50.458 --> 1:50:51.875 [upbeat music playing] 1:50:52.666 --> 1:50:55.875 Bergoglio Cardinalis. Bergoglio Cardinalis. 1:50:55.958 --> 1:50:57.083 [bell chimes] 1:51:01.250 --> 1:51:02.416 [crowd cheers] 1:51:16.333 --> 1:51:18.583 [in English] May God forgive you all for this. 1:51:19.666 --> 1:51:21.708 [in Spanish] Don't forget the poor. 1:51:21.958 --> 1:51:23.041 Hmm? 1:51:23.791 --> 1:51:25.416 [Bergoglio chuckles] 1:51:31.916 --> 1:51:33.916 [wind whooshing] 1:51:36.208 --> 1:51:38.208 [crowd cheering and applauding] 1:51:40.291 --> 1:51:41.958 [in Italian] You have a phone? 1:51:43.583 --> 1:51:44.791 [cheering] 1:51:49.541 --> 1:51:51.333 [phone ringing] 1:51:51.458 --> 1:51:53.833 [cardinal speaking Italian on TV] 1:51:54.791 --> 1:51:57.541 [speaking French] 1:51:58.125 --> 1:52:00.791 [speaking German] 1:52:01.541 --> 1:52:03.416 [in English] Dear brothers 1:52:04.041 --> 1:52:05.333 and sisters... 1:52:07.000 --> 1:52:09.625 [man, in Italian] Holy Father, sorry, no reply. 1:52:09.708 --> 1:52:11.125 Ah, bene, grazie. 1:52:11.750 --> 1:52:13.833 Holy Father, you must choose. 1:52:13.916 --> 1:52:15.083 [Bergoglio] No, grazie. 1:52:15.166 --> 1:52:17.250 I will wear what I am wearing. 1:52:17.875 --> 1:52:18.916 Grazie. 1:52:19.625 --> 1:52:22.125 -[speaking Italian] -[Bergoglio speaking Italian] 1:52:23.125 --> 1:52:24.250 The shoes? 1:52:24.333 --> 1:52:25.250 Hmm? 1:52:25.375 --> 1:52:27.708 [cardinal 1] They're part of a tradition from... 1:52:27.791 --> 1:52:28.916 [grunts] 1:52:29.166 --> 1:52:31.041 No, mine are fine. 1:52:31.625 --> 1:52:33.291 [cardinal 2] Holy Father, the mozzetta? 1:52:34.125 --> 1:52:37.250 No, thank you. The carnival is over. 1:52:37.625 --> 1:52:38.833 Habemus Papam. 1:52:38.916 --> 1:52:40.416 [crowd cheers] 1:52:45.666 --> 1:52:46.541 Bene. 1:52:46.625 --> 1:52:48.625 [bells ringing] 1:52:55.333 --> 1:52:56.416 [sniffles] 1:52:56.500 --> 1:52:58.500 [in Italian] If there have to be tears, 1:52:58.916 --> 1:53:01.500 let’s make them tears of joy. 1:53:08.708 --> 1:53:09.833 Grazie. 1:53:11.916 --> 1:53:15.625 [cardinal speaking Latin over speakers] 1:53:29.083 --> 1:53:32.333 Cardinale... Bergoglio! 1:53:32.416 --> 1:53:33.833 [crowd cheering] 1:53:35.250 --> 1:53:36.750 [all cheer] 1:53:45.125 --> 1:53:47.125 [cardinal continues speaking Latin] 1:54:02.250 --> 1:54:04.500 [crowd chanting] 1:54:17.916 --> 1:54:19.833 [in Italian] Brothers and sisters, 1:54:21.333 --> 1:54:22.625 good evening. 1:54:23.083 --> 1:54:24.458 [crowd roars] 1:54:28.125 --> 1:54:29.958 [Francis] You all know that... 1:54:30.375 --> 1:54:32.291 the duty of the conclave... 1:54:33.041 --> 1:54:36.208 was to give a bishop to Rome. 1:54:36.791 --> 1:54:40.041 It seems that my cardinal brothers... 1:54:41.500 --> 1:54:47.166 found one almost at the end of the world. 1:54:47.625 --> 1:54:50.041 [crowd cheers and applauds] 1:54:55.083 --> 1:54:57.500 Now, here we are. 1:55:01.666 --> 1:55:02.750 First of all, 1:55:04.416 --> 1:55:06.416 I'd like to say a prayer 1:55:07.458 --> 1:55:09.500 for our Bishop... 1:55:09.916 --> 1:55:12.958 Emeritus Benedict XVI. 1:55:13.416 --> 1:55:15.166 [crowd cheers] 1:55:23.583 --> 1:55:26.708 Let's pray together for him. 1:55:28.625 --> 1:55:30.625 [silence falls] 1:55:56.208 --> 1:55:59.208 -[operator on phone, in English] Name? -[Francis] Bergoglio. Jorge Bergoglio. 1:55:59.375 --> 1:56:00.375 Like the pope? 1:56:01.166 --> 1:56:02.500 [Francis] Oh, well, uh... 1:56:03.208 --> 1:56:04.416 yes, if... [chuckles] 1:56:04.500 --> 1:56:05.375 Postcode? 1:56:06.416 --> 1:56:08.250 [Francis] It's-- It's Vatican City. 1:56:08.708 --> 1:56:10.666 Yes, very funny. 1:56:10.750 --> 1:56:12.416 -[dial tone buzzes] -[Francis sighs] 1:56:13.708 --> 1:56:14.916 [door opens] 1:56:15.000 --> 1:56:16.583 -[yawns] -[door squeaks] 1:56:17.958 --> 1:56:18.791 Oh... 1:56:19.791 --> 1:56:21.916 [chuckles softly] You stand there all night? 1:56:22.875 --> 1:56:24.208 Yes, Holy Father. 1:56:25.041 --> 1:56:26.291 Really? Ah... 1:56:26.833 --> 1:56:31.250 Um, I am trying to get the Wi-Fi in here. You know how it works? 1:56:31.333 --> 1:56:32.333 The Wi-Fi? 1:56:32.458 --> 1:56:34.458 Sí, sí. I'm trying to make a booking, 1:56:34.583 --> 1:56:37.625 and apparently, the only way it can be done is online. 1:56:38.125 --> 1:56:39.458 Can you help me at all? 1:56:39.958 --> 1:56:41.250 Of course, Holy Father. 1:56:41.708 --> 1:56:42.583 Let me just... 1:56:42.666 --> 1:56:43.958 I'll be very grateful. 1:56:45.708 --> 1:56:49.000 -Ah, your phone, of course. -[chuckles] Yeah. 1:56:52.083 --> 1:56:53.375 And where to? 1:56:53.458 --> 1:56:56.208 -Lampedusa. -[under breath] Lampedusa. 1:57:00.125 --> 1:57:02.250 -How many seats? -[speaks Italian] Just me. 1:57:02.333 --> 1:57:03.166 Oh... 1:57:04.208 --> 1:57:06.375 Would they let you go alone, Holy Father? 1:57:06.458 --> 1:57:07.333 Of course. 1:57:08.000 --> 1:57:08.958 I'm the pope. 1:57:09.333 --> 1:57:11.541 ["Sastanàqqàm" playing] 1:57:11.625 --> 1:57:12.583 [ship horn blows] 1:57:12.666 --> 1:57:15.083 -[plane engines whir] -[crowd cheers] 1:57:16.666 --> 1:57:18.000 [crowd shouts] 1:57:18.083 --> 1:57:20.500 -[crowds cheering] -[fireworks whistling] 1:57:29.958 --> 1:57:34.041 [Francis] We are seeing a globalization of indifference. 1:57:34.500 --> 1:57:36.750 There is a culture of conflict, 1:57:37.291 --> 1:57:40.916 which makes us think only of ourselves. 1:57:41.458 --> 1:57:44.000 Makes us live in soap bubbles... 1:57:44.083 --> 1:57:45.625 [speaking Italian] 1:57:45.708 --> 1:57:49.625 ...which, however lovely, are also insubstantial. 1:57:50.708 --> 1:57:53.583 We've become used to the suffering of others. 1:57:53.833 --> 1:57:55.666 "It doesn't affect me." 1:57:56.708 --> 1:58:00.416 No one in our world feels responsible. 1:58:03.333 --> 1:58:07.875 Who is responsible for the blood of our brothers and sisters? 1:58:08.583 --> 1:58:12.708 The refugees washed up on the shores of the Mediterranean? 1:58:13.833 --> 1:58:15.833 "I don't have anything to do with it. 1:58:15.916 --> 1:58:17.166 Must be someone else. 1:58:17.250 --> 1:58:19.208 [chuckling] Certainly, not me." 1:58:25.291 --> 1:58:26.875 When no one is to blame... 1:58:29.333 --> 1:58:31.291 everyone is to blame. 1:58:31.875 --> 1:58:34.583 -[people shouting] -[wave crashes loudly] 1:58:40.083 --> 1:58:45.333 [watch beeps] Don't stop now. Keep moving. Keep moving. 1:58:45.416 --> 1:58:50.541 [watch beeping] Don't stop now. Keep moving. Keep moving. 1:58:50.625 --> 1:58:51.875 [beeps] 1:58:58.166 --> 1:59:01.625 [both speaking indistinctly in Italian] 1:59:01.708 --> 1:59:03.708 [camera shutters clicking] 1:59:08.958 --> 1:59:10.875 [upbeat instrumental music playing] 1:59:14.416 --> 1:59:17.833 -[Benedict] How are you, Holy Father? -[Francis] I'm adjusting, Holy Father. 1:59:18.500 --> 1:59:20.958 And, uh, ready to destroy you. 1:59:21.625 --> 1:59:24.791 [commentator] The World Cup Final of 2014 has begun. 1:59:25.375 --> 1:59:27.750 It's Germany versus Argentina. 1:59:27.833 --> 1:59:29.583 Two great rivals. 1:59:29.666 --> 1:59:32.625 Here, they meet again for the end game. 1:59:32.708 --> 1:59:33.791 [crowd cheering] 1:59:33.875 --> 1:59:36.166 [Benedict] Oh, look! It's you. [laughs] 1:59:36.708 --> 1:59:37.583 You're famous. 1:59:38.166 --> 1:59:40.666 [commentator] This is an Argentina team that beat the Netherlands 1:59:40.750 --> 1:59:41.583 in the semi-final. 1:59:41.833 --> 1:59:44.541 [Benedict] You know, it's exciting. I get the excitement now. 1:59:45.041 --> 1:59:46.541 I can feel the excitement. 1:59:46.625 --> 1:59:47.958 [Francis] Good, you understand. 1:59:48.041 --> 1:59:50.666 [commentator] It's a Germany team that thrashed Brazil 7-1. 1:59:50.750 --> 1:59:52.375 -Pizza. -Please, please, please. 1:59:52.458 --> 1:59:54.375 [commentator] Bittersweet moment for Brazilians, 1:59:54.791 --> 1:59:57.291 and they have hosted a truly wonderful World Cup. 1:59:57.375 --> 2:00:00.333 -That's presenting Higuaín with a chance! -[both groan] 2:00:01.375 --> 2:00:03.333 [commentator] And the chance has been blown. 2:00:03.416 --> 2:00:04.458 [Francis speaks Italian] 2:00:06.750 --> 2:00:08.166 [commentator] Mascherano's touch. 2:00:09.708 --> 2:00:10.625 That's an obvious foul. 2:00:10.708 --> 2:00:12.541 Müller has been sent crashing to the floor... 2:00:12.625 --> 2:00:14.583 Argentina is very violent. 2:00:14.666 --> 2:00:16.166 No, it's all part of the game. 2:00:16.500 --> 2:00:19.291 [commentator] Germany fans are ready for the Toni Kroos corner. 2:00:19.375 --> 2:00:21.416 And Höwedes has met it! 2:00:21.708 --> 2:00:24.541 -Off the post and gathered by Romero! -Ooh! 2:00:26.625 --> 2:00:28.291 [commentator] Higuaín's on the move in the middle, 2:00:28.375 --> 2:00:29.625 -and Higuaín has scored! - Ah! 2:00:29.708 --> 2:00:31.708 [commentator] But it's not going to count. 2:00:31.791 --> 2:00:32.916 Higuaín was offside. 2:00:33.208 --> 2:00:35.375 -[sighs] No! -[laughs] 2:00:35.458 --> 2:00:37.375 [commentator] What a let-off for Germany. 2:00:38.333 --> 2:00:40.625 Mascherano. Zabaleta. 2:00:43.333 --> 2:00:45.041 That's a foul. That's a clear foul. 2:00:45.291 --> 2:00:47.166 -[Francis] Huh? -No, it's all part of the game. 2:00:47.250 --> 2:00:48.416 [grunts] 2:00:55.458 --> 2:00:56.416 [Benedict] Skoal. 2:00:56.500 --> 2:00:58.875 [commentator] Tackle after tackle, foul after foul. 2:01:00.250 --> 2:01:01.666 That's a swing of the arm. 2:01:01.750 --> 2:01:04.291 -[Benedict] He's got blood. -It's nothing. I tell you, it's nothing. 2:01:04.375 --> 2:01:06.458 -No, it's nothing. It's a scratch. -Violent people. 2:01:06.541 --> 2:01:08.416 -It's a scratch. -No. 2:01:08.500 --> 2:01:10.958 [commentator] Sergio Agüero is a very lucky player 2:01:11.041 --> 2:01:12.291 to still be on the field. 2:01:16.000 --> 2:01:16.958 André Schürrle. 2:01:17.875 --> 2:01:19.333 Trying to make good progress. 2:01:19.416 --> 2:01:21.750 And he fires the ball in to Götze! 2:01:21.833 --> 2:01:23.916 -[Francis] Oh, no, no! -[crowd cheering] 2:01:24.000 --> 2:01:26.625 [commentator] Mario Götze for Germany! 2:01:28.125 --> 2:01:30.500 What a moment in the Maracanã! 2:01:32.291 --> 2:01:34.583 Now Germany can celebrate. 2:01:35.750 --> 2:01:39.333 Germany are champions of the world! 2:01:40.500 --> 2:01:41.416 Bravo! 2:01:53.583 --> 2:01:54.875 [commentator] The game decided 2:01:54.958 --> 2:01:59.875 by one glorious goal scored by Mario Götze. 2:01:59.958 --> 2:02:01.583 It's Germany! 2:02:01.666 --> 2:02:03.375 [Francis] Well, congratulations. 2:02:04.500 --> 2:02:06.583 [Benedict] Uh-huh. [laughs] 2:02:08.208 --> 2:02:10.875 -[in Italian] Make sure to eat well! -[both laugh] 2:02:10.958 --> 2:02:12.958 [upbeat music playing] 2:02:28.750 --> 2:02:31.958 [thunder rumbling] 2:02:48.666 --> 2:02:50.291 [crickets chirping] 2:03:11.166 --> 2:03:13.291 [thunder continues rumbling] 2:03:15.750 --> 2:03:17.666 [rain pattering] 2:03:30.708 --> 2:03:32.208 [thunderclap booms] 2:03:38.083 --> 2:03:39.250 [church bells ringing] 2:04:30.208 --> 2:04:32.208 [birds chirping] 2:05:08.208 --> 2:05:10.250 [wind whipping]