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♪ This is the place
for all my relations

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♪ Bring celebration
through meditation

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♪ Giving thanks for
all of creation

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♪ We are so
provided for

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♪ We are so
provided for ♪

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JENNIFER: They were
a flock, if you would,

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'cause there are
so many of them.

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They were giggling and laughing

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and I remember
commenting to Amanda, like,

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"Wow, those kids
are so beautiful."

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You know, like, "Who
are their parents?"

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Yeah, their smiles
were just infectious,

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you know, just like,
lit up the entire room.

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So without even
knowing their names,

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you just wanted to meet them.

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CHRISTOPHER:
Couldn't miss them.

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Just because it was
an entourage, you know.

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And they would always roll
together as an entourage.

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NUSHEEN: You have no idea
what those two women went through.

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You don't live
their life and I think

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and I think a lot of people
are having trouble

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because they were
made of so much light,

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also accepting the fact
that there was a lot of turmoil

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in the family, and
a lot of suffering

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and a lot of tragedy
that they had to get over.

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Most of the social interactions
that these two women had

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was outside people who
were, you know, online, or

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ways that you can perfectly
curate a temporary image

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of perfection.

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Love you.

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I think Jen took on
more responsibilities

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then, you know, found
herself in over her head

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probably pretty quickly.

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Didn't really anticipate
what she signed up for.

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I love you.

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WOMAN: Wipe that tear.
I don't like to see that.

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[CAR HONKING]

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REPORTER 1: Still
searching for the missing kids.

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MAN 1: Amid allegations
of child abuse or neglect.

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MAN 2: Cellphone pings
and surveillance pictures

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giving us a better idea of
what happened to the family.

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MAN Raise your right
hand, please.

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Do you affirm
you'll tell the truth,

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the whole truth and
nothing but the truth.

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MAN 4: Yes, I do.

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REPORTER: A complicated legacy
that remains a mystery.

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MAN 5: All we know is
that the vehicle ended up

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at the bottom
of a 100 foot cliff,

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and that's what
we're looking for now,

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to see if we could figure
out what happened.

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They were all just a big hug.

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And every memory I have of them,

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is connected and punctuated
by the same moment,

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of just a flood of them arriving

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and us all hugging
each other in one big ball.

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Every time.

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And no pretense.

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No dishonesty.
Just...

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totally present and
completely full of, like this

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effervescent, intoxicating love.

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That was just undeniable.

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All of us thought Devonte
was gonna be the president.

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You know what I mean?
Markis, God bless him,

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you know, I mean,
Markis never talked.

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I knew Markis for
four years, and he had

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his head in the
books all the time.

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The most excited I ever
saw him was when that

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bird landed on the podium
at the Bernie Sanders thing.

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He was, like, clapping
and he was, like, smiling

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and that was, that was Markis.

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Devonte, he reached out,
but he was also, like,

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the most sensitive of the group.

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Hello, Nusheen, how
are you doing today?

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I missed you. Thank
you for that birthday mask,

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I loved it so much.

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[WOMAN LAUGHING]

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Making some bean
wraps today for my siblings.

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To me, it seemed like,

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these children were so

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joyful and well adjusted,

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and engaging, I mean,

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they were all different.

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And Markis and Hannah
were much quieter,

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they were much,
much more observers,

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and peripheral, and the part
of me that prefers the edges

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related to them in that way.

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And then Devonte and Jeremiah,

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and Sierra were
always right up in there.

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You know, engaging
with everybody.

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JEN: Go, Abby, go.

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She's washing her hair, I think.

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[ALL LAUGHING]

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Got it up my nose.

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JENNIFEDevonte was definitely
the most outgoing and charismatic.

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And you could
tell that within him

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that he's a very old soul.

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That, as we got to know
the rest of the family,

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I really feel like
Jeremiah and Abby,

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would jump out of their shells

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and they'd just be
these characters...

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[CHILDREN GIGGLING]

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I think that,
because their brother

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was so outgoing,
that it helped them

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to feel more comfortable
in their own skin.

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I first met Jen in 2015.

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At that time, I was
the leader of the game

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that we were playing,

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but it ended up being almost
an everyday interaction.

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Jen was more of
an inspiration, I think,

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on multiple levels
for a lot of us,

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being active politically

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for the rights of
Black Lives Matter.

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Huge.

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She was a huge
person in that, actually.

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I can't put into words.

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But she motivated me
to actually speak out

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and use my voice more.

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She was very honest,

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she would straight up
tell you a lot, like,

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"Oh, my God, your
children are perfect.

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"Everything
is wonderful."

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And she was, like,
"No, they're still kids,

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"they're still kids, like,
there's still stuff that happens,

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"that, like, you know,
you gotta deal with.

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"But, yeah, I'm really lucky.

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"Because these kids
are really amazing.

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"And I am very, very blessed
to have them in my life."

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ZIPPORAH: So Sarah
was often quieter,

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kind of, like, Markis
and Hannah were,

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And Jen was always,
like, right there, as well.

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Right in the middle of things.

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- SARAH: What?
- You can see a snake for real?

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Not a real one, honey.
Look at, right here.

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BOY: I got
snake there.

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What's this?

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- You guys like it here, don't you?
- Yeah.

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Jen was, you know, just
a very friendly person,

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good smile, good laugh,

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seemed like a reasonable
play person to me.

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She seemed frustrated with
the problems of the world.

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Sarah was very quiet, definitely
seemed a little more shy,

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I didn't really...

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I feel like I only really talked to
Sarah once, you know, at a party.

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Like, all the other time, Sarah
was, like, "Hi." "Bye." Kind of like that.

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I started working
with Sarah at Kohl's

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in Beaverton, in 2015.

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She was always
backed by kids and home.

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She had an earthy
flow vibe to her.

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NUSHEEN: Sarah's
a mystery to me.

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She was, like, this very
quiet, very go with the flow,

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just like solider, right?

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Constantly exhausted
from working so hard.

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Gets home, calm, even keeled.

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[SINGING]

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There was that moment
at Beloved festival,

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you see Xavier, gestured, like,

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"Come, give me a hug."

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[SINGING]

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[PEOPLE CHEERING]

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As Xavier was hugging Devonte,

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and still singing, all of us saw

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he became very
overcome with emotion,

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which would happen a lot.

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[PEOPLE LAUGHING]

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It was a very common occurrence

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that people would start crying,

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and he turned, and,

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with his sobbing face, he
ran straight into Jen's arms.

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And when I saw that,
I just started bawling.

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Because what I saw
so clearly there, was that

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he loved her, and she loved him.

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What I saw there, and again,

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I'm looking through
my confirmation bias,

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I saw pure love.

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OFFICER: You are in the street
blocking the roadway.

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You're unlawfully assembled.

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Everybody want me to be calm.

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Do you know how
many bullets hit my son?

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Burn this bitch down!
Burn this bitch down!

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Burn down!

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We are Darren Wilson.

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OFFICER: You need to
disperse immediately.

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Or you will be subject
to arrest. Do it now.

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What the world needs now

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might just be what
we see in this photo,

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after days of disturbing
media imagery.

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MAN: That moment in time,
the picture that is out

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floating around on the Internet,

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and throughout the world.

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I think that just
captured the moment.

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So apropos of what not only
the community is asking for,

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what the nation is asking for,

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but what the world
is asking for right now.

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I saw it online
like most people did,

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I remember,
it very specifically,

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because Kim Kardashian

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came out with that ridiculous,

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uh, paste article of her
butt, like, popping something

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up in the air, and they were, like,
Kim Kardashian broke the Internet,

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- and then it was, Devonte Hart...
- BOTH: Saved the Internet.

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In the same day
because, like, it shut down

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the Internet of her butt, and
then it was Devonte hugging,

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you know, someone that
brought everyone back up.

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I remember people posting,
and things, just saying

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resharing and resharing

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of, "Oh, my God, this
child is healing me in a way.

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"I didn't ever think that I
could feel this type of hope,

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"in a picture
like this."

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If you've ever received
a hug from Devonte,

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you know, you knew
that he meant it.

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He hugged you with
the entirety of himself.

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He wasn't the type of person that
just, like, one of those little arm pats.

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It was, he... I remember when
we first had our exchange of a hug,

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he said, "Oh, you're
a good hugger."

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- Yeah.
- "You hug heart to heart.

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"You know that
that's what it's about.

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"It's about
our hearts."

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He's like, "We've to hold,
we've to give a second,

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"and you squeeze, so people
know that you really mean it."

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And at the time, I was "Wow.

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"My mom taught me that.
Who taught you that?"

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And he's like,
"My mom."

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I was like,
"It's a good mom."

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He's like, "Yeah, she's okay.

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It felt like, to me,
like, he really did,

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you know, in his own young way,

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wanna make the
world a better place.

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In that, he was initiating that.

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That photo going
viral is an example

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of social media
success in some ways.

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It felt like a real story,

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a real human moment

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being captured that's
not, um, negative

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and it's really beautiful.

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Devonte was at that time,

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telling us about his
birthday coming up

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and how one of his
favorite things to do

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was to raise money
for different organizations,

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that had to do with the
Earth and protecting her.

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- And, uh...
- AMANDA: That's what I think I saw the first Free Hugs.

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The sign, he was wearing

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the Free Hugs sign
at that benefit.

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And we're like, "What's
up with the hugs?"

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No, down at the square.

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Yeah, that's what I mean,
at the square benefit.

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And then, that's
when he explained,

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"Every year, I raise, like, try to
raise funds for my favorite charity

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by giving hugs and people,
you know, donate to that.

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I was struck when I
went back and looked at

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how much interesting
Facebook posts about her family

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and how often
she was doing that.

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That would give you
a lack of privacy,

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you know, to be posting
that much stuff about yourself.

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I don't think she
did it intentionally

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but it's definitely cultivating
seeds to have a viral video

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happen for you,
or a viral photo.

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That kind of behavior. Putting
yourself out there that much.

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Now that I see tons
of posts about the kids,

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interesting snippets
where it's, kind of, personal.

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I never understood
that dichotomy of it.

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The... What she would tell me about how
much she didn't want to be in limelight,

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and then how much the
posting and those type of things

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caused them
to be in the limelight.

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I think this is
an example of how

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that extremist and rapid

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environment of
sharing information

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blows over and doesn't
look back to check back in on

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parts of the story that, um, don't,
maybe, necessarily fit a narrative,

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that is, that could go viral,

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that are more complex,
more nuanced, and, like,

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that's where our humanity is.

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The deepest truths about us are

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not totally black and white.

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There's a gradient,

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all the shade exists there

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and, like, that is so important

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to be able to have a
venue for discussing that,

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and the mainstream
media and social media,

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are moving at such a pace,

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that we don't even discuss

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in a context where our
humanity can be understood.

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NUSHEEN: I remember Jen
telling me she felt like she had PTSD,

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as a result of that
photo coming out.

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Someone taking
something so beautiful,

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and running with it and
creating so much hate in diversity.

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She felt like...

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they would never...

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escape people looking
in from the outside,

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and...

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being suspicious
and judging them.

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And honestly, the
more people did that,

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the more they closed off.

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I started to notice, like, the
Sarah that I thought I knew,

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she started to hide more.

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She started to, I guess,
withdraw herself.

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I think they probably
didn't know how bad

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the reaction was gonna be.

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I think they probably just...

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God, I don't know.

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After the picture
of Devonte went viral,

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and, you know, the moms, or Jen, perceived
herself to be the target for harassment,

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at least according
to one of her friends,

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that seems to be one of
the theories about she fell

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into a deep depression.

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It had to do with
that photo going viral

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and all the perceived
harassment.

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From my observation, from

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things Jen told me personally,

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and shared privately,
on Facebook,

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that,

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the public response
to the hug photo,

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was the snare that
began the unraveling.

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WOMAN: My name is
Tammy Sheurich,

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I'm the mother of Markis,
Hannah and Abigail.

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When they took my children away,

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I went through a very
deep and dark depression,

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I'd sat myself in the house,

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I didn't know what was
happening, I didn't understand.

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I just started comin'
out of the house,

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when I was arrested.

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My rights weren't
terminated by Child Services.

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I voluntarily
relinquished my rights.

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I was trying to make the
most unselfish decision

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for my children.

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WOMAN: My name
is Shonda Jones,

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I'm an attorney
here in Houston, Texas,

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I've practiced
for over 22 years.

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I practice primarily
in the are of family law.

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I really don't know, honestly,

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about the specifics of Sherry
and Mr. Davis' relationship.

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Um, I do believe Mr. Davis
really truly loved those kids.

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But CPS, from my recollection,

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didn't think
that he was eligible.

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My guess is that Mom,

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one can look at it, and
say she made the choice.

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You know, she chose
the drugs over the children.

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Um, and I don't mean to say
that in a way to try to blame her,

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because I don't know
anything about Sherry's past.

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So when I was young,
I was in a placement,

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You know, if I'd done good
I'd have been with my brothers.

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You know, when I was
young, I used to always fight.

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You know, get into
stuff, get in trouble.

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So I didn't have the time to,

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you know, regroup with them,

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By the time I calmed down,
they got adopted.

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I used to always ask, like,
"I wanna see my brothers.

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"Can I see
my brothers?"

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And they'd be like,
"No, you're a bad influence."

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At the stage that I
came into the case,

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that's when Sherry Hurd
and Clarence Celestine's

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rights were being terminated.

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And I think, like I said,
that was the damage control.

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They were panicking, and
then that's when they thought

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that Celestine would be
the most suitable candidate

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to be the caretaker
for the children.

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I thought that maybe
I would see the kids again

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and I just wanted to hold on
to let them know

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there was somebody
who fought for you.

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Because once the rights
are terminated,

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they don't know anything
about why they wound up

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where they were,
they just know we're here.

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And they think that
no one cared about them,

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so I wanted them to know, you
had an aunt who fought for you.

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I felt that it was an injustice

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when the children
were abruptly removed

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from Miss Celestine
without having an opportunity

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to be brought into court,

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to have a hearing,

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to some due process.

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The reason for removing the children
from Celestine I think was very cold,

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I think it was very callous

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and I think
it was a benign reason.

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I think it was something
that could've been handled

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in a much more, in my
opinion, humane manner.

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I think they could've
brought her into court,

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they could've issued
her a warning,

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and make her aware
of the seriousness

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of letting the mom
see the children.

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Once CPS takes the position,

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and their position is that the
rights are going to be terminated

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that's exactly
what's going to happen.

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The courts normally, honestly,
rubber stamp whatever CPS says.

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I mean, they just do.

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Really...

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I want to say it's my fault

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but then again, it's not.

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I had no control over it.

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When I had control over it,

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I feel like
it was kinda my fault.

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[NATHANIEL SPEAKING]

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[KIDS CHATTER]

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DANA: They moved in, I
want to say May 17th, 2017.

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I knew the house had sold

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and I had looked up
that it had closed

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and they moved in
shortly thereafter.

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We've had kids live
next door before.

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You hear them, you see them,

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they speak to you,
you know, and...

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So this was completely abnormal

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00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:25,633
to have six kids
that we never saw,

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00:20:25,657 --> 00:20:27,235
heard, or spoke to.

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00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:29,571
Sarah didn't really tell us
much about her family.

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00:20:29,595 --> 00:20:31,806
I don't know anyone
that worked with us

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00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:35,843
that knew more than
she's married to Jen

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and she has six kids.
I mean, she didn't really

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00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:40,582
tell much about her family.

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00:20:40,606 --> 00:20:42,350
To me, that was
a little weird 'cause

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00:20:42,374 --> 00:20:45,019
I brag about my son
24/7, you know.

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And besides knowing
that she has six kids,

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we didn't really know
much about her.

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00:20:49,881 --> 00:20:52,594
One of the impressions I got
when you sent me the photos,

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you know, of their Facebook
feeds, of Jen and Sara.

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Is like how perfect they are.

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And the word perfectly curated
comes up a lot.

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And what that implies is,

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curation implies an act of
image manipulation essentially.

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So they were,
they lived the kinds of lives

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that they can project this
perfect image of themselves

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because most of their quote-unquote
"friends" were either through Facebook

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or they were, kind of this
temporary encounters at festivals

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where they could,
on a temporary basis

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project everything positive
they want to project about them.

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The pictures of them
playing in the snow

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those kids were not outside
playing in the snow

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00:21:27,586 --> 00:21:29,764
but yet there is this
picture of them, you know,

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and it's so perfectly propped

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with Devonte and I think,
it was Jeremiah

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and they're sitting out
in the snow

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00:21:36,928 --> 00:21:38,740
and they have a mug
in their hand

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00:21:38,764 --> 00:21:41,075
and they're probably, you
know, drinking hot chocolate.

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Or where they're on the side
of a lake

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and they are turning around
and blowing kisses to mom.

435
00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:09,804
I am Investigator Jake Slates,

436
00:22:09,828 --> 00:22:11,839
S-L-A-T-E-S.

437
00:22:11,863 --> 00:22:14,142
I am currently employed by
the California Highway Patrol

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00:22:14,166 --> 00:22:17,578
and I've been employed with them
for approximately ten years now.

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00:22:17,602 --> 00:22:19,480
Um, my current position is

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00:22:19,504 --> 00:22:22,850
I'm in our investigative
services unit.

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00:22:22,874 --> 00:22:24,919
At one point, there was a call

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00:22:24,943 --> 00:22:26,688
from the elementary school,

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00:22:26,712 --> 00:22:28,456
of one of the children
being abused.

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00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,191
That would've been Abigail.

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00:22:30,215 --> 00:22:34,195
CPS department ended up doing
an investigation in to that report.

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00:22:34,219 --> 00:22:36,998
They observed that
the child had extensive

447
00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:38,800
injuries to her body.

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00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:40,702
At that point, there were
some indications

449
00:22:40,726 --> 00:22:43,271
that the kids
were not eating properly.

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When both Sara and Jennifer
were questioned about the incident,

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00:22:47,833 --> 00:22:49,844
um, Abigail named Jennifer

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00:22:49,868 --> 00:22:52,814
as the one that was
the abusive parent,

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00:22:52,838 --> 00:22:55,516
but when questioned
by authorities,

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Sarah was the one
that took the blame.

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We'd kind of established
at this point

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that there seemed to be
a pattern that was going on

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00:23:01,913 --> 00:23:05,660
and when Clerk County told me
that there was another CPS report

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00:23:05,684 --> 00:23:07,328
that had been opened up

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00:23:07,352 --> 00:23:11,456
into allegations
of child misconduct,

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00:23:12,257 --> 00:23:14,035
that indicated to us

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00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:18,239
that this is potentially
another situation to that effect.

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MAN: Yeah, there are some kids
that I feel are being highly abused.

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00:23:21,933 --> 00:23:24,078
DISPATCHER: Where at?
MAN: I can't wait till Monday...

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In Woodland, Washington.

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DISPATCHER: What's the address?

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00:23:29,608 --> 00:23:32,520
MAN: Okay, I'm gonna give you
the address of my daughter's house

467
00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:35,556
- 'cause it's right next door.
- DISPATCHER: Okay, and what's going on there?

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The doorbell rang,
the dog went crazy

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00:23:38,283 --> 00:23:41,329
and Hannah just came
barging in the door.

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00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:44,499
She was just covered
in blackberry weeds

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00:23:44,523 --> 00:23:46,534
and grass, you know, just...

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00:23:46,558 --> 00:23:49,070
you could tell she's been
running through the weeds.

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00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:53,341
MAN: The other night, a little girl
jumped out of the second story window

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00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:56,077
on the roof
and then down onto the ground.

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00:23:56,101 --> 00:23:59,347
And ran to my daughter.
This is like, 2:00 in the morning,

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00:23:59,371 --> 00:24:02,016
begging them to help her,
to help her.

477
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,051
And she just kinda
barged her way in

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00:24:04,075 --> 00:24:06,220
and was pleading to Bruce
to help her

479
00:24:06,244 --> 00:24:09,424
and to please protect her,
"save her" type of thing.

480
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:12,059
And so, he starts
yelling my name

481
00:24:12,083 --> 00:24:15,062
for me to come down, 'cause
he didn't know what to do.

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00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:17,622
DISPATCHER: Did the girl ever
say why she was scared?

483
00:24:18,824 --> 00:24:21,602
MAN: No, she...
She was crying

484
00:24:21,626 --> 00:24:24,639
and when they came
looking for her,

485
00:24:24,663 --> 00:24:26,541
she was begging my daughter

486
00:24:26,565 --> 00:24:28,443
not to let them know
she was there.

487
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:31,746
And then eventually
my son in law let them know.

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00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,781
So I got up and...

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00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:35,750
got her to calm down
a little bit and talk

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00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:38,386
and she started telling us
how they were, you know,

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00:24:38,410 --> 00:24:40,621
abusing her, they were racist.

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00:24:40,645 --> 00:24:43,658
In the meantime,
her moms and siblings

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00:24:43,682 --> 00:24:45,793
were all out in the property

494
00:24:45,817 --> 00:24:48,896
yelling her name and had
flashlights looking for her.

495
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,600
And so Bruce went
and said, "She's here",

496
00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:54,435
then they came to the door

497
00:24:54,459 --> 00:24:56,637
and they just kinda
barged in the house

498
00:24:56,661 --> 00:24:58,473
and found her in my bedroom.

499
00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:01,742
And she had huddled down
between my bed and dresser

500
00:25:01,766 --> 00:25:05,947
and was, you know, just scared.

501
00:25:05,971 --> 00:25:09,317
I mean, I... so when the
moms approached her,

502
00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:11,285
I could see her
just like, freaking out

503
00:25:11,309 --> 00:25:13,354
so I told them, "Whoa, back up.

504
00:25:13,378 --> 00:25:16,023
You need to give her some
space, you're freaking me out now".

505
00:25:16,047 --> 00:25:19,093
And so, Jennifer took Sarah
by the shoulder

506
00:25:19,117 --> 00:25:20,628
and pulled her back and said,

507
00:25:20,652 --> 00:25:23,097
"You go back with the
other kids, I'll deal with this".

508
00:25:23,121 --> 00:25:27,001
They left, and she stood
right there in the entry

509
00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:29,270
and she kind of
crouched down to Hannah's size

510
00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:30,838
and was telling her, you know,

511
00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:32,874
you just need to tell
these people you're sorry...

512
00:25:32,898 --> 00:25:34,141
"Yes, ma'am."

513
00:25:34,165 --> 00:25:35,776
and you need to explain
to them you know,

514
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,812
that you've just been really
sad, it's been a tough week.

515
00:25:37,836 --> 00:25:39,347
"Yes, ma'am."

516
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:41,373
Just total

517
00:25:42,007 --> 00:25:43,985
you know, robot.

518
00:25:44,009 --> 00:25:48,055
MAN: And then she had all
four of the kids come back later

519
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:49,957
and to say everything was okay

520
00:25:49,981 --> 00:25:51,626
and they're all standing
at attention

521
00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:53,828
like they were just
scared to death.

522
00:25:53,852 --> 00:25:55,396
The next morning,

523
00:25:55,420 --> 00:25:57,789
6:30 in the morning,
my doorbell's ringing.

524
00:26:00,358 --> 00:26:02,203
"Dear Dana Bruce,

525
00:26:02,227 --> 00:26:05,206
I stopped this morning because I
feel awful about disturbing your peace

526
00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:07,174
and worrying you
in the middle of the night.

527
00:26:07,198 --> 00:26:09,010
I was very frustrated
with my brother

528
00:26:09,034 --> 00:26:11,178
and didn't handle things
very maturely

529
00:26:11,202 --> 00:26:13,881
and I am sorry for telling lies
to get attention.

530
00:26:13,905 --> 00:26:15,883
I am working
on being more honest

531
00:26:15,907 --> 00:26:19,320
and finding better ways
to communicate my frustrations.

532
00:26:19,344 --> 00:26:22,990
I've been pretty sad about
two of our cats dying recently.

533
00:26:23,014 --> 00:26:25,860
So I was just very sad
and frustrated last night.

534
00:26:25,884 --> 00:26:28,286
Thank you for being kind,
Hannah."

535
00:26:30,121 --> 00:26:32,934
MAN: Since she's told me
about it, I just can't live with it.

536
00:26:32,958 --> 00:26:35,336
I am very concerned
for these kids

537
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,438
I just can't let this go
any longer,

538
00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:39,431
those kids, I think
are in very serious danger.

539
00:26:43,535 --> 00:26:46,047
DANThe first time he came
was March 15th,

540
00:26:46,071 --> 00:26:47,915
he showed up late evening,

541
00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:52,086
and Bruce was actually outside,
it was like at 9 o clock at night,

542
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:55,590
and he caught him
running down the driveway,

543
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,959
and he yelled out to him,
you know, "What's going on?"

544
00:26:57,983 --> 00:27:00,428
So he came back
and asked for tortillas.

545
00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,363
So the next morning at 9am,

546
00:27:02,387 --> 00:27:04,131
he's asking me for bread

547
00:27:04,155 --> 00:27:05,566
and I said,
well, I don't eat bread

548
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:07,768
but I have tortillas.

549
00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:09,971
And he goes, "Yeah, okay."

550
00:27:09,995 --> 00:27:13,874
So I went out to the garage and I
gave him a huge Costco pack of them.

551
00:27:13,898 --> 00:27:16,210
And then he left.

552
00:27:16,234 --> 00:27:18,145
Well then he came back,

553
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:20,147
you know, and each day
it was, you know,

554
00:27:20,171 --> 00:27:22,249
it went from once a day,
twice a day,

555
00:27:22,273 --> 00:27:24,885
three times a day,
as late as 11 o clock at night

556
00:27:24,909 --> 00:27:28,756
he was showing up and he
started asking for more staples,

557
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:30,558
like peanut butter and,

558
00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:32,927
um, at one point
he literally said,

559
00:27:32,951 --> 00:27:35,329
I need non-perishables.

560
00:27:35,353 --> 00:27:37,798
I need that can't be, you
know, that aren't frozen

561
00:27:37,822 --> 00:27:39,233
or don't need refrigeration,

562
00:27:39,257 --> 00:27:40,768
like uncured meats

563
00:27:40,792 --> 00:27:42,470
and tortillas and peanut butter,

564
00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:43,938
and I need six of them.

565
00:27:43,962 --> 00:27:45,640
So I am thinking,
"Oh, my God."

566
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,141
You know, "It's six kids..."

567
00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:50,978
and so I...
I wanted to earn his trust,

568
00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,114
so then I started asking him,
"What's going on?"

569
00:27:53,138 --> 00:27:55,750
You know, "You're starting to
scare me, this is not normal."

570
00:27:55,774 --> 00:27:58,419
and he said, "Well...

571
00:27:58,443 --> 00:28:01,422
we're teenagers and
we do bad things sometimes"

572
00:28:01,446 --> 00:28:02,757
and he kinda shrugged
his shoulders

573
00:28:02,781 --> 00:28:04,492
and he laughed and he said,

574
00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:05,960
"You know, so we get punished",

575
00:28:05,984 --> 00:28:08,963
and I'm like, "No,
what do you mean punished?"

576
00:28:08,987 --> 00:28:12,433
And then he goes,
she used to not feed us a meal

577
00:28:12,457 --> 00:28:16,103
but now it's going into
days at a time.

578
00:28:16,127 --> 00:28:20,941
And I'm like, there's nothing a kid
can do wrong enough to not be fed.

579
00:28:20,965 --> 00:28:23,778
And so, he's like, "Don't
tell Mom, don't tell Mom."

580
00:28:23,802 --> 00:28:26,647
You know, that's how
he would leave it every time.

581
00:28:26,671 --> 00:28:30,151
So I said, "Okay, well, who's
Mom? You have two moms.

582
00:28:30,175 --> 00:28:31,652
Who are we talking about?

583
00:28:31,676 --> 00:28:34,188
And he said,
"No, it's Mom and Sarah".

584
00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:35,956
And then he,

585
00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:37,658
as the week went on,
he told us that

586
00:28:37,682 --> 00:28:41,062
they were abusing him
as well as not feeding them,

587
00:28:41,086 --> 00:28:44,231
and that Sarah didn't,
used to go along with it,

588
00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:46,067
but she was tolerating it now.

589
00:28:46,091 --> 00:28:49,303
It is highly controlling
to an unusual degree

590
00:28:49,327 --> 00:28:52,206
to withhold food from your
children on a regular basis

591
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:53,974
to sculpt their behaviors,

592
00:28:53,998 --> 00:28:57,511
you know, Where The Wild Things
Are, where Max doesn't get his supper

593
00:28:57,535 --> 00:28:59,914
because he was being,
causing a ruckus.

594
00:28:59,938 --> 00:29:02,249
You know, where you don't
give a kid dinner for a few hours

595
00:29:02,273 --> 00:29:05,886
but to actually withhold food to
the point where they seem like

596
00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:08,689
they would be in medical
definitions of being malnourished,

597
00:29:08,713 --> 00:29:10,491
that's obviously very extreme.

598
00:29:10,515 --> 00:29:13,861
So the next morning, he came
over at like 9:00 in the morning.

599
00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:15,563
[SNIFFLES] And he said,
"Have you been to the store yet?"

600
00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:18,232
And I said,
you know, "No, not yet."

601
00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:21,826
And he goes, "I need you
to go right away."

602
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:25,906
And I said, "Okay."

603
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:27,875
And I told him
I was calling CPS,

604
00:29:27,899 --> 00:29:29,744
which, as soon as he left,
I called them.

605
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,012
I didn't see any obvious signs

606
00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:34,615
and you know, I...

607
00:29:34,639 --> 00:29:37,418
I guess, you know, I
don't know what to look for.

608
00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:40,588
I know what signs to look for
if your kid gets abused,

609
00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:43,023
you own kid,
and how their behavior changes,

610
00:29:43,047 --> 00:29:46,761
but you know, I don't really
know how to see that in others.

611
00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,630
He did actually
use the word "abuse"

612
00:29:49,654 --> 00:29:51,365
and then he to... [STUTTERS]

613
00:29:51,389 --> 00:29:53,134
then he told me, um...

614
00:29:53,158 --> 00:29:55,360
Ah, sorry, this makes me cry...

615
00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,335
[SNIFFLING]

616
00:30:06,671 --> 00:30:08,149
He told me that...

617
00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:09,574
I'm sorry.

618
00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:14,479
He said on Thursday night
that...

619
00:30:15,613 --> 00:30:18,492
[EXHALING]

620
00:30:18,516 --> 00:30:21,553
everything Hannah
had told us was true.

621
00:30:22,787 --> 00:30:25,156
It just broke my heart.

622
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:32,106
So, you know,
'cause Hannah had told us

623
00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:34,699
they were abusing her,
whipping her with a belt...

624
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:39,246
When he told me that,
I was just like,

625
00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:41,206
Oh, my God!

626
00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:47,454
BRITTINI: No one besides
that family knows

627
00:30:47,478 --> 00:30:49,514
exactly what happened
in that house.

628
00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:53,527
We all know them
from outside the house

629
00:30:53,551 --> 00:30:55,196
you know, we know them
from the gaming world,

630
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:57,798
we know them from past
work experience with them,

631
00:30:57,822 --> 00:31:01,202
we don't know what happened
behind those closed doors.

632
00:31:01,226 --> 00:31:03,428
We just know
what they wanted us to see.

633
00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:07,641
OCTAVIO: All the people
that knew Jennifer and Sarah

634
00:31:07,665 --> 00:31:09,610
through these
kind of online contacts

635
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:11,779
were these very brief
encounters at festivals,

636
00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:13,447
they obviously were not
in a position

637
00:31:13,471 --> 00:31:15,473
to really know
what was actually happening.

638
00:31:16,541 --> 00:31:18,719
Jen and Sarah
lived the kind of lives

639
00:31:18,743 --> 00:31:22,547
that made it easy for them to hide
their behaviors inside the house.

640
00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:38,639
In the early morning hours, I
believe it was just prior to 3am,

641
00:31:38,663 --> 00:31:41,141
Sarah began texting
three of her co-workers.

642
00:31:41,165 --> 00:31:42,543
One of those texts
to the friend was,

643
00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:44,411
"Hey, I need you
to open the store, I'm sick."

644
00:31:44,435 --> 00:31:47,748
Some of the others were indicating
that she needed to go to the hospital.

645
00:31:47,772 --> 00:31:50,417
Jen was, you know,
gaming at least

646
00:31:50,441 --> 00:31:54,488
an hour or two a day,
on average.

647
00:31:54,512 --> 00:31:57,858
So when she didn't respond to us

648
00:31:57,882 --> 00:31:59,760
within a 24-hour period

649
00:31:59,784 --> 00:32:01,729
you know, we got worried.

650
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:04,732
But then she said
that she had a family emergency

651
00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,668
and asked one of us
to take over.

652
00:32:07,692 --> 00:32:14,275
And then her actual last three
letters she typed were FML.

653
00:32:14,299 --> 00:32:17,835
FML means "fuck my life."

654
00:32:21,306 --> 00:32:23,107
She disappeared.

655
00:32:24,309 --> 00:32:27,454
The last thing
that she wrote to me was,

656
00:32:27,478 --> 00:32:30,291
"I am trying so hard
to take my own advice today

657
00:32:30,315 --> 00:32:33,360
trying to look into the eyes
of my wife and children

658
00:32:33,384 --> 00:32:37,097
and tell them I'm never
gonna give up on them.

659
00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:39,800
I am trying to remind myself
of all the good in the world,

660
00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:43,103
trying to believe that everything
I've fought for my entire life

661
00:32:43,127 --> 00:32:47,241
didn't just get buried in a
pile of hate-filled ignorance.

662
00:32:47,265 --> 00:32:50,311
Trying to allow myself to
feel all the fucked-up feelings

663
00:32:50,335 --> 00:32:52,046
that are circling
through my weary body,

664
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:53,714
because it's okay to feel rage,

665
00:32:53,738 --> 00:32:55,883
disgust and deep sadness.

666
00:32:55,907 --> 00:32:58,819
And it's okay to be fueled
a vast array of emotions

667
00:32:58,843 --> 00:33:00,754
and not just love.

668
00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:03,858
And now I need to breathe and figure
out how to act and that's the hard part."

669
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:10,998
MALE REPORTER: Neighbors last
reported seeing the Harts at their home

670
00:33:11,022 --> 00:33:12,766
on Friday, March 23rd.

671
00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:14,401
So, exhibit 10 is

672
00:33:14,425 --> 00:33:17,004
the actual GPS points
that we were able to download

673
00:33:17,028 --> 00:33:19,840
and put into
Google Earth Pro software.

674
00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:22,176
And what this is is an overview

675
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,311
from the Harts' home
in Woodland, Washington,

676
00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:26,246
all the way down to Fort Bragg.

677
00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:29,683
Once they left their house, every
place that we were able to track them to,

678
00:33:29,707 --> 00:33:31,518
they always used cash.

679
00:33:31,542 --> 00:33:33,854
The first digital evidence
that we came across

680
00:33:33,878 --> 00:33:36,347
that they were using
was a Safeway Club Card.

681
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:41,428
WOMAN ON RADIO: There's an
overturned vehicle, 11:24

682
00:33:41,452 --> 00:33:44,622
unknown if it's just
occurred or it's been there...

683
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:47,101
March 26th,

684
00:33:47,125 --> 00:33:51,038
um, I actually heard the
call come out over the radio.

685
00:33:51,062 --> 00:33:54,141
But at that time we thought
it was a fatal collision scene.

686
00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:56,043
The cause of the crash
remains a mystery right now,

687
00:33:56,067 --> 00:33:59,037
investigators have said the
weather was clear at the time.

688
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,357
FEMALE REPORTER: Authorities
say Jennifer and Sarah Hart

689
00:34:10,381 --> 00:34:11,725
along with their six children

690
00:34:11,749 --> 00:34:13,961
died when it plunged off a cliff

691
00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:17,221
along Northern California's
Pacific Coast Highway.

692
00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:21,001
We have the vehicle
going from 34% throttle

693
00:34:21,025 --> 00:34:22,970
to 100% throttle.

694
00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:25,630
And there's no subsequent
application of the brake.

695
00:34:26,597 --> 00:34:28,308
Once we get to Sarah's phone,

696
00:34:28,332 --> 00:34:30,310
one of the last searches
that she did

697
00:34:30,334 --> 00:34:32,146
was while they were traveling
through Oregon,

698
00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:34,748
"Is death by drowning
relatively painless?"

699
00:34:34,772 --> 00:34:36,984
"How long does it take
to die from hypothermia

700
00:34:37,008 --> 00:34:39,086
in water while drowning
in a car?"

701
00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:42,256
"What will happen
when overdosing with benadryl?"

702
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,690
Some of the witnesses
stated that

703
00:34:43,714 --> 00:34:45,826
they would typically
give the children benadryl

704
00:34:45,850 --> 00:34:47,227
on long drives,

705
00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:49,063
that they know
the effects of benadryl,

706
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,497
and what it does
to the children.

707
00:34:50,521 --> 00:34:53,067
They exceeded the normal
therapeutic dosages.

708
00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:54,835
The children were
more than likely

709
00:34:54,859 --> 00:34:57,271
um, unconscious
or asleep at that point.

710
00:34:57,295 --> 00:35:00,441
The death certificates
for Jennifer and Sarah Hart

711
00:35:00,465 --> 00:35:03,410
will be listed as suicide.

712
00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:06,547
And the six children
who perished on that day,

713
00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:09,616
their death certainly,
as the jury ruled,

714
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,920
was determined to be at the
hands of another other by accident

715
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:16,023
and their death certificates
will list homicide

716
00:35:16,047 --> 00:35:17,615
as the manner of death.

717
00:35:20,985 --> 00:35:22,563
They didn't want
to tell me nothing,

718
00:35:22,587 --> 00:35:26,200
'cause I might flip out,
in the place I was.

719
00:35:26,224 --> 00:35:28,893
So, now that I found out,
you know,

720
00:35:29,961 --> 00:35:31,805
I'm really kind of hurt,

721
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:33,498
but then again,

722
00:35:34,165 --> 00:35:36,376
I can't bring them back.

723
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,369
So, crying
ain't gonna bring them back.

724
00:35:39,103 --> 00:35:40,238
So...

725
00:35:42,073 --> 00:35:43,641
I'll take care of my son.

726
00:35:47,612 --> 00:35:49,380
Be a better father to him.

727
00:35:53,184 --> 00:35:55,095
Within an hour of finding out,

728
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,430
I was sitting in my desk

729
00:35:56,454 --> 00:35:58,132
and I was just sobbing.

730
00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:01,668
I couldn't even wrap
my head around it.

731
00:36:01,692 --> 00:36:04,095
I didn't know any
of the details yet. I just...

732
00:36:04,862 --> 00:36:06,473
All I knew was that

733
00:36:06,497 --> 00:36:09,943
the Harts, the entire
Hart tribe, was gone.

734
00:36:09,967 --> 00:36:13,871
But, at the same time, this
just like piercing grief of like...

735
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,341
thinking about
all of those children.

736
00:36:19,043 --> 00:36:20,854
When the news broke, I...

737
00:36:20,878 --> 00:36:22,256
Gut told me it was them.

738
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,357
I just knew it was them.

739
00:36:23,381 --> 00:36:26,517
But, then the next morning,

740
00:36:27,552 --> 00:36:28,862
Tuesday morning,

741
00:36:28,886 --> 00:36:31,331
like at 7:00 in the morning,
our phone rings,

742
00:36:31,355 --> 00:36:33,834
and a reporter
had called and said,

743
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:36,203
"Your neighbors
have been identified

744
00:36:36,227 --> 00:36:38,672
as being the people
in the crash."

745
00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:40,140
Which we didn't
answer the phone.

746
00:36:40,164 --> 00:36:41,508
He left us a message

747
00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:42,943
and wanted us to call back.

748
00:36:42,967 --> 00:36:44,278
But I was like, "Wow."

749
00:36:44,302 --> 00:36:46,571
I don't know what happened.

750
00:36:47,905 --> 00:36:50,517
The evidence
overwhelmingly suggests

751
00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:52,152
that last moment
was intentional.

752
00:36:52,176 --> 00:36:54,946
Um, which is, given the...

753
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,625
undeniable...

754
00:36:58,649 --> 00:37:03,997
and overwhelming beauty
of that family of children,

755
00:37:04,021 --> 00:37:06,557
that decision is um...

756
00:37:07,491 --> 00:37:08,626
impossible.

757
00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:11,305
I just love them still.

758
00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:12,329
You know.

759
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:14,030
If I...

760
00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:19,146
I just... I know it sounds really
weird and fucked up to say,

761
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:21,572
but I would be like, "I have
your back," you know. [SNIFFS]

762
00:37:22,173 --> 00:37:23,717
And I know that

763
00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:26,061
that's the part that nobody
wants to hear, but it's like...

764
00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:29,389
I just feel like
I can feel their pain

765
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:30,358
that they were in.

766
00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:32,893
And I feel so sad

767
00:37:32,917 --> 00:37:34,728
that somewhere along the line,

768
00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:36,997
someone missed something
or we just let them down.

769
00:37:37,021 --> 00:37:38,756
And so, I would just
let them know, like...

770
00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:42,402
yeah, I have their back and...

771
00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:44,438
And if they were here,
I would listen to their story,

772
00:37:44,462 --> 00:37:47,074
and if we could do it all over
again, I just would've helped 'em.

773
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:50,534
[VOICE SHAKING] I, unfortunately,
think something horrible happened to 'em...

774
00:37:51,802 --> 00:37:54,105
first, and that's why they left.

775
00:37:55,473 --> 00:37:57,451
CHRISTOPHER: I don't know
what the internal turmoil was,

776
00:37:57,475 --> 00:38:00,711
and desperation
in different ways, and...

777
00:38:03,314 --> 00:38:05,092
I don't know. I guess...

778
00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:08,152
things can get hard, and
desperate, and people make...

779
00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:10,220
people make...

780
00:38:11,122 --> 00:38:13,891
extreme, rash decisions. And...

781
00:38:15,993 --> 00:38:18,071
I don't...
I do not understand it.

782
00:38:18,095 --> 00:38:19,664
There's no understanding it.
I don't...

783
00:38:22,099 --> 00:38:26,146
JAKE: It was extremely
comprehensive, large case.

784
00:38:26,170 --> 00:38:28,615
It involved
11 different agencies

785
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:30,384
from across the nation.

786
00:38:30,408 --> 00:38:34,321
It involved ten departments
within the California Highway Patrol.

787
00:38:34,345 --> 00:38:35,555
They would include,

788
00:38:35,579 --> 00:38:38,258
our Investigative
Services department.

789
00:38:38,282 --> 00:38:40,661
Our Computer Crime Lab
also assisted,

790
00:38:40,685 --> 00:38:43,630
in the determination
and downloads of cellphones.

791
00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:46,266
We reached out
to several allied agencies,

792
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:48,468
like the Sacramento
High Tech Crime Unit,

793
00:38:48,492 --> 00:38:49,836
the FBI,

794
00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:51,605
Mendocino County
Sheriff's office,

795
00:38:51,629 --> 00:38:53,273
Clark County Sheriff's Office.

796
00:38:53,297 --> 00:38:55,309
We've reached out as far as

797
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,444
the Saint Paul, Minnesota,
Police Department,

798
00:38:57,468 --> 00:38:59,112
to help us
in tracking down a cell phone

799
00:38:59,136 --> 00:39:01,448
that we were
actively trying to pin down.

800
00:39:01,472 --> 00:39:03,517
Our case even
took us up to the point

801
00:39:03,541 --> 00:39:05,085
of interviewing witnesses

802
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:07,020
outside of home, or Alaska.

803
00:39:07,044 --> 00:39:08,922
By no means

804
00:39:08,946 --> 00:39:11,591
was this a case
that we took lightly.

805
00:39:11,615 --> 00:39:12,883
[SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING]

806
00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:17,297
SHONDA: It's very touching...

807
00:39:17,321 --> 00:39:19,433
[SIGHS] I'm sorry.

808
00:39:19,457 --> 00:39:22,669
And the reason why
it's touching, is because...

809
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,262
it just seems like
the children from...

810
00:39:26,464 --> 00:39:27,607
kind of like,
from the beginning,

811
00:39:27,631 --> 00:39:29,509
didn't stand a chance, really.

812
00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:31,044
Because, like...
[CHUCKLES] I'm sorry.

813
00:39:31,068 --> 00:39:33,513
Because both parents,
like I said...

814
00:39:33,537 --> 00:39:35,873
[VOICE SHAKING]
they had their issues.

815
00:39:36,841 --> 00:39:39,577
I used to pray every night.

816
00:39:40,745 --> 00:39:42,823
Like, you know,
how you pray for somethin'

817
00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:45,216
and it don't happen,
so you start to believe...

818
00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:49,553
"Where's god?
Who is god?" You know.

819
00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:53,567
I wasn't really the prayer type.

820
00:39:53,591 --> 00:39:54,735
When I was young,

821
00:39:54,759 --> 00:39:56,460
I used to pray
to put us to sleep.

822
00:39:57,328 --> 00:39:58,396
You know, and...

823
00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:01,708
hoping something good
would happen

824
00:40:01,732 --> 00:40:03,134
later on in the future.

825
00:40:03,868 --> 00:40:05,245
It did, but...

826
00:40:05,269 --> 00:40:07,071
then tragedy happened again.

827
00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:12,085
JAKE: While driving around
on the Mendocino coast,

828
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:15,756
they both decided that
this was going to be the end.

829
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:19,659
That based on talking with
all their friends and witnesses,

830
00:40:19,683 --> 00:40:23,330
that if they
can't have their kids,

831
00:40:23,354 --> 00:40:25,489
that nobody was
gonna have those kids.

832
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:27,834
The teachers knew,

833
00:40:27,858 --> 00:40:29,202
the neighbors knew,

834
00:40:29,226 --> 00:40:31,271
and now the children are dead.

835
00:40:31,295 --> 00:40:35,075
There was all this hate,
and it was so immense.

836
00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:37,277
I mean, there were
these threads upon threads

837
00:40:37,301 --> 00:40:39,045
of people who had
never met them,

838
00:40:39,069 --> 00:40:42,082
who were talking about how
viciously disgusting they were.

839
00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:43,717
I mean,
I had people who were like,

840
00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:45,352
"Eat glass and die."

841
00:40:45,376 --> 00:40:48,088
All I was trying to do
was protect my friends,

842
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:49,589
but that wasn't happening.

843
00:40:49,613 --> 00:40:51,057
There was all this like,

844
00:40:51,081 --> 00:40:52,592
we're afraid to talk about it.

845
00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:55,462
We're afraid to...
say how we feel,

846
00:40:55,486 --> 00:40:57,397
because we are
just immediately attacked.

847
00:40:57,421 --> 00:41:00,634
One of Jennifer's closest friends
is speaking out for the first time

848
00:41:00,658 --> 00:41:01,868
to our Gabrielle Karol,

849
00:41:01,892 --> 00:41:04,037
to help answer the question,

850
00:41:04,061 --> 00:41:05,739
"Who was Jennifer Hart?

851
00:41:05,763 --> 00:41:06,907
What do we know about her?"

852
00:41:06,931 --> 00:41:09,242
We weren't duped.
That love wasn't fake.

853
00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:10,277
They loved their children.

854
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:11,778
They weren't white supremacists.

855
00:41:11,802 --> 00:41:15,582
They... they just were isolated.

856
00:41:15,606 --> 00:41:16,883
They were in pain.

857
00:41:16,907 --> 00:41:19,319
It's certainly not
the fault of the, you know,

858
00:41:19,343 --> 00:41:20,654
of an online game player,

859
00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:22,556
or a festival musician

860
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:24,758
who knew their kids
for a couple of days

861
00:41:24,782 --> 00:41:26,927
to determine whether they're

862
00:41:26,951 --> 00:41:29,229
secretly abusing
their kids inside.

863
00:41:29,253 --> 00:41:30,253
[VOICE SHAKING] Myself...

864
00:41:31,288 --> 00:41:33,190
and everyone else who...

865
00:41:35,593 --> 00:41:38,929
shared our love publicly...

866
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:48,748
we've been judged as though

867
00:41:48,772 --> 00:41:50,083
there was some precedent

868
00:41:50,107 --> 00:41:52,276
by which we were
supposed to behave.

869
00:41:53,544 --> 00:41:54,945
That there was some...

870
00:41:55,946 --> 00:41:57,357
better way to do it,

871
00:41:57,381 --> 00:42:00,050
some right way that...

872
00:42:01,552 --> 00:42:04,297
You know,
I realized, really quickly,

873
00:42:04,321 --> 00:42:06,624
that no matter what I said
or didn't say...

874
00:42:08,492 --> 00:42:12,506
there was no way I was
coming through this unscathed.

875
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,441
We've had friends
basically tell us that

876
00:42:14,465 --> 00:42:15,876
they can't even
associate with us

877
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:17,711
because we defend
the Hart family.

878
00:42:17,735 --> 00:42:20,604
If our current dialog
is so extremist, and...

879
00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:23,316
and violent,

880
00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:25,285
that we can't even
make space for that,

881
00:42:25,309 --> 00:42:27,020
we're really...

882
00:42:27,044 --> 00:42:28,889
We've lost our way completely.

883
00:42:28,913 --> 00:42:30,648
Festival friends of mine...

884
00:42:31,815 --> 00:42:34,895
um, so they were very accusatory

885
00:42:34,919 --> 00:42:37,364
in saying that
we were completely off-base,

886
00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:39,232
and that we should've
minded our own business.

887
00:42:39,256 --> 00:42:41,835
They called us
all kinds of names.

888
00:42:41,859 --> 00:42:45,896
Being nosy neighbors.
I was racist.

889
00:42:48,432 --> 00:42:49,876
ZIPPORAH:
One of our friends said,

890
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,212
"Forgive me for not...

891
00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:54,738
assuming my friends
were murderers."

892
00:42:56,373 --> 00:42:59,920
Again, everyone being
so angry at us for speaking up.

893
00:42:59,944 --> 00:43:02,255
I wanna say like...

894
00:43:02,279 --> 00:43:05,115
Imagine. Try to put
yourself where we are.

895
00:43:05,950 --> 00:43:08,161
Ideologues scare me, you know.

896
00:43:08,185 --> 00:43:11,765
Ideologues scare me because in
the pursuit of that perfect, pure vision,

897
00:43:11,789 --> 00:43:13,266
they can be so extreme

898
00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:17,070
that they ignore all sense,
all common sense and precaution.

899
00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:19,105
People would attack.

900
00:43:19,129 --> 00:43:22,709
[VOICE SHAKING] And
at one point I even told 'em,

901
00:43:22,733 --> 00:43:28,439
"It's easy for you people
to sit here and accuse me, or...

902
00:43:30,574 --> 00:43:33,787
say that I should have...

903
00:43:33,811 --> 00:43:36,690
But, until you've
walked in my shoes,

904
00:43:36,714 --> 00:43:38,758
until you know who I am,

905
00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:40,560
you can't really...

906
00:43:40,584 --> 00:43:42,429
It's not fair to say."

907
00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:44,931
There's no evidence
that they're racist.

908
00:43:44,955 --> 00:43:48,735
And I don't see why, um...

909
00:43:48,759 --> 00:43:50,637
the number of stories
why they would,

910
00:43:50,661 --> 00:43:52,272
you know, make that up.

911
00:43:52,296 --> 00:43:54,975
They might not have interpreted
everything that happened,

912
00:43:54,999 --> 00:43:56,610
exactly what was going on,

913
00:43:56,634 --> 00:44:00,814
but they're certainly not
just fantasizing about that.

914
00:44:00,838 --> 00:44:02,248
I think there was
a huge tragedy.

915
00:44:02,272 --> 00:44:03,483
I think... I think all these...

916
00:44:03,507 --> 00:44:05,619
In the very beginning,
there was a huge anger

917
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:08,121
that I did feel, though,
with the social media.

918
00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:10,423
There was a lot of
Black Lives Matter pages

919
00:44:10,447 --> 00:44:12,425
taking arms and being like,

920
00:44:12,449 --> 00:44:13,660
[IN HIGH-PITCHED VOICE]
"Told you so.

921
00:44:13,684 --> 00:44:15,128
These white crackers
should never adopt us."

922
00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:17,497
And I was like, hold on.

923
00:44:17,521 --> 00:44:18,432
You know what I mean?

924
00:44:18,456 --> 00:44:19,666
You can think whatever you want,

925
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:21,568
but to exploit
the tragedy of these children

926
00:44:21,592 --> 00:44:26,139
to try and further your agenda
on this just...

927
00:44:26,163 --> 00:44:28,642
really just
frankly disgusting platform,

928
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,243
which is Instagram,

929
00:44:30,267 --> 00:44:31,678
you know what I mean,
or Twitter,

930
00:44:31,702 --> 00:44:34,581
I just felt like it was,
you know,

931
00:44:34,605 --> 00:44:36,316
hashtag too soon, social media.

932
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,853
And really just callous, and...

933
00:44:39,877 --> 00:44:41,521
just such propaganda.

934
00:44:41,545 --> 00:44:44,624
They were put under a
microscope in a way that

935
00:44:44,648 --> 00:44:47,418
I don't think anyone
deserves to be put under.

936
00:44:48,218 --> 00:44:49,720
I imagine that...

937
00:44:51,288 --> 00:44:55,201
Jen must've got
to a point where she just

938
00:44:55,225 --> 00:44:58,304
degenerated to, I guess,
some kind of insanity.

939
00:44:58,328 --> 00:45:01,675
Um, you know, exactly how
and when that happened,

940
00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:03,543
and to what... I don't know.

941
00:45:03,567 --> 00:45:06,646
But, I can't imagine
getting to the point where

942
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:09,683
I mean, if you wanna kill
yourself, that's one thing.

943
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:12,285
But, I don't see
why you'd need to

944
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:13,820
take anyone else with you.

945
00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,221
This road trip
down to California

946
00:45:15,245 --> 00:45:17,691
was quite impulsive
and unplanned.

947
00:45:17,715 --> 00:45:19,526
It might be interpreted as

948
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:21,728
kind of running away
from Child Protective Services

949
00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:24,731
who were kind of wrapping
up their investigation.

950
00:45:24,755 --> 00:45:26,366
So, this might be
a woman who feels like,

951
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:29,536
"You know what, I'm about
to be found out by the world.

952
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,838
I've had this
perfectly curated image.

953
00:45:31,862 --> 00:45:33,707
I spent so much of my time

954
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:35,809
blogging about
and posting pictures about,

955
00:45:35,833 --> 00:45:40,080
and presenting this
particular image to the world.

956
00:45:40,104 --> 00:45:42,982
And now that's
in danger of crumbling."

957
00:45:43,006 --> 00:45:45,018
So, I'm not saying
that's what happened,

958
00:45:45,042 --> 00:45:47,220
but that is
a very plausible story to me.

959
00:45:47,244 --> 00:45:49,155
That someone feeling, like,
a bit desperate,

960
00:45:49,179 --> 00:45:50,356
their mask is
gonna be ripped off,

961
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:51,591
and they'd rather die, frankly,

962
00:45:51,615 --> 00:45:53,927
than to be revealed
in front of everyone

963
00:45:53,951 --> 00:45:54,951
about what they are.

964
00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:00,100
Ultimately, I feel that,

965
00:46:00,124 --> 00:46:04,170
based on Sarah
and Jennifer's past history,

966
00:46:04,194 --> 00:46:08,374
the pattern that we see of
the alleged child abuse,

967
00:46:08,398 --> 00:46:12,545
and confrontations that they may
have received out of the community,

968
00:46:12,569 --> 00:46:14,714
that this was just another case

969
00:46:14,738 --> 00:46:16,883
where they would run.

970
00:46:16,907 --> 00:46:18,451
By the system being broken,

971
00:46:18,475 --> 00:46:21,888
it enabled them
to just keep hiding.

972
00:46:21,912 --> 00:46:25,892
Um, you know, when you have
allegations against you

973
00:46:25,916 --> 00:46:29,295
in Minnesota, multiple times,

974
00:46:29,319 --> 00:46:32,265
and then allowed
to adopt children

975
00:46:32,289 --> 00:46:34,968
even after
the first allegations,

976
00:46:34,992 --> 00:46:36,803
seems insane to me.

977
00:46:36,827 --> 00:46:40,406
But then, to be able to
move to Oregon,

978
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:42,876
have allegations
against you there,

979
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:44,878
and talk your way through that.

980
00:46:44,902 --> 00:46:46,880
Then to move to Washington,

981
00:46:46,904 --> 00:46:48,982
they get a report,

982
00:46:49,006 --> 00:46:51,651
but none of
the agencies connect.

983
00:46:51,675 --> 00:46:58,091
So, it just allowed them
to keep hiding their abuse,

984
00:46:58,115 --> 00:47:01,427
and no one be able
to connect the dots.

985
00:47:01,451 --> 00:47:04,798
And once the dots got connected,
we still ignored them.

986
00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:07,767
I believe that
they left their house

987
00:47:07,791 --> 00:47:09,903
not knowing exactly
what they're gonna do,

988
00:47:09,927 --> 00:47:12,472
and that they left
in a very hasty manner.

989
00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:14,574
Example of being,
knocking over those blocks,

990
00:47:14,598 --> 00:47:16,242
forgetting the luggage,

991
00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:17,944
not taking toothbrushes.

992
00:47:17,968 --> 00:47:20,980
I feel that they didn't know
what they were doing.

993
00:47:21,004 --> 00:47:22,916
Even though we know
Sarah's phone was

994
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:26,085
searching those
types of question about death,

995
00:47:26,109 --> 00:47:31,191
and suicide, and how
drowning can be painful,

996
00:47:31,215 --> 00:47:34,527
I don't believe that they were
committed to that at that point.

997
00:47:34,551 --> 00:47:37,530
I think their ultimate goal was
to get to Mendocino County.

998
00:47:37,554 --> 00:47:39,666
And once they got here,

999
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:43,636
paying for cash along the way for gas,
and items, and stuff that they'd received,

1000
00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:45,839
I still don't believe that,

1001
00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:47,974
even based on video footage

1002
00:47:47,998 --> 00:47:49,976
and items that they bought

1003
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,544
while at the Dollar General,

1004
00:47:51,568 --> 00:47:53,880
I don't believe
they committed at that point.

1005
00:47:53,904 --> 00:47:55,448
But, sometime after that,

1006
00:47:55,472 --> 00:47:58,017
while driving around
on the Mendocino Coast,

1007
00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:01,521
they both decided that
this was going to be the end.

1008
00:48:01,545 --> 00:48:03,990
I'm really grateful for

1009
00:48:04,014 --> 00:48:06,893
the law enforcement
taking their time to...

1010
00:48:06,917 --> 00:48:09,229
to come to this result
in this way,

1011
00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:12,756
where it was decided by a jury,
so that there was no...

1012
00:48:14,224 --> 00:48:15,969
real option for doubt.

1013
00:48:15,993 --> 00:48:20,130
And, although the conclusion is

1014
00:48:20,764 --> 00:48:22,742
the worst possible case,

1015
00:48:22,766 --> 00:48:25,102
at least we know what happened,

1016
00:48:26,837 --> 00:48:28,772
so we can stop arguing about it.

1017
00:48:30,374 --> 00:48:33,353
People need to be honest
about their pain,

1018
00:48:33,377 --> 00:48:35,021
and like let it out.

1019
00:48:35,045 --> 00:48:40,693
And, I feel like maybe they
lived in this silo of positivity.

1020
00:48:40,717 --> 00:48:42,695
So, it was really hard
to reach out for help.

1021
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,897
And it makes you feel bad.

1022
00:48:43,921 --> 00:48:45,031
Quit looking at it.

1023
00:48:45,055 --> 00:48:47,700
Because, people
only post perfect things.

1024
00:48:47,724 --> 00:48:50,870
They're not posting when they're
sitting home bored like you.

1025
00:48:50,894 --> 00:48:53,606
You know, and that's how
I feel like social media is...

1026
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:56,943
It's crippling people.

1027
00:48:56,967 --> 00:49:00,446
We're losing
our social connection,

1028
00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:03,383
our innate need to be connected.

1029
00:49:03,407 --> 00:49:07,253
Um, and portraying life
to be better,

1030
00:49:07,277 --> 00:49:10,056
which I think, actually,
is just adding to depression.

1031
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,891
I'm talking in
psychological terms now,

1032
00:49:11,915 --> 00:49:13,393
not necessarily
psychiatric terms.

1033
00:49:13,417 --> 00:49:15,094
And this goes back to Freud,

1034
00:49:15,118 --> 00:49:18,197
but the more you push away the
dark side and compartmentalize,

1035
00:49:18,221 --> 00:49:20,566
the those compartments
can grow independently,

1036
00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:22,235
and become monsters.

1037
00:49:22,259 --> 00:49:24,804
The goal of
a successful psychotherapy

1038
00:49:24,828 --> 00:49:27,206
is to integrate all the different
parts of your personality

1039
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:28,608
into one coherent whole,

1040
00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:31,744
that could all peacefully
co-exist with one another.

1041
00:49:31,768 --> 00:49:37,116
I think that Jen felt a...

1042
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:40,887
loss of whatever control
she imagined she had,

1043
00:49:40,911 --> 00:49:43,489
or tried to maintain.

1044
00:49:43,513 --> 00:49:45,725
Um, in a misguided...

1045
00:49:45,749 --> 00:49:48,561
In a misguided attempt
to protect the family,

1046
00:49:48,585 --> 00:49:51,588
I think she was trying
to be too controlling.

1047
00:49:52,456 --> 00:49:56,002
And, I feel like she

1048
00:49:56,026 --> 00:49:59,339
arrived at a place
where she genuinely

1049
00:49:59,363 --> 00:50:04,010
doubted they would ever be safe.

1050
00:50:04,034 --> 00:50:08,014
There's, um, I guess,
a balance of light and dark.

1051
00:50:08,038 --> 00:50:10,750
And, it doesn't
excuse what happened,

1052
00:50:10,774 --> 00:50:16,122
because those children
were completely innocent,

1053
00:50:16,146 --> 00:50:17,690
and just wanted love,

1054
00:50:17,714 --> 00:50:20,827
and acceptance,
and guidance in this world.

1055
00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:22,595
Devonte would've been
16 this year.

1056
00:50:22,619 --> 00:50:25,355
Jeremiah would've been 14,
shoulda been 13, this year.

1057
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:28,368
You know, and...

1058
00:50:28,392 --> 00:50:32,005
really hard
to not have 'em around.

1059
00:50:32,029 --> 00:50:33,973
Know what I'm saying? 'Cause...

1060
00:50:33,997 --> 00:50:36,943
'Cause I see other kids,
other brothers,

1061
00:50:36,967 --> 00:50:40,380
play with their brothers,
I wish would've had my brothers.

1062
00:50:40,404 --> 00:50:43,206
CHRISTOPHER: Maybe Sarah and
Jen aren't who we thought they were.

1063
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,308
We should question it.

1064
00:50:46,543 --> 00:50:48,154
We should question everything.

1065
00:50:48,178 --> 00:50:49,722
But, then we should come back

1066
00:50:49,746 --> 00:50:50,723
to things we know.

1067
00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:51,958
And, the things we know are

1068
00:50:51,982 --> 00:50:53,693
there are facts
that lead us to believe

1069
00:50:53,717 --> 00:50:56,286
Jen and Sarah might not have
been who they were to us publicly.

1070
00:50:57,521 --> 00:50:58,998
But, the kids are.

1071
00:50:59,022 --> 00:51:00,900
The kids are exactly
who we thought they were.

1072
00:51:00,924 --> 00:51:04,337
And, that's why
the effect of that family

1073
00:51:04,361 --> 00:51:06,672
is so widespread
in our community,

1074
00:51:06,696 --> 00:51:08,741
and why this tragedy is so huge.

1075
00:51:08,765 --> 00:51:12,678
One, that we lost them.
And, two, that the story of it

1076
00:51:12,702 --> 00:51:13,937
removes what they meant.

1077
00:51:14,604 --> 00:51:15,982
That's two losses.

1078
00:51:16,006 --> 00:51:18,351
To have to lose them,
and to lose, like,

1079
00:51:18,375 --> 00:51:20,420
the ability to tell the story of

1080
00:51:20,444 --> 00:51:22,145
what authentically they meant.

1081
00:51:23,413 --> 00:51:27,760
I have no fear
or doubt in my mind

1082
00:51:27,784 --> 00:51:29,762
in saying that
about those children.

1083
00:51:29,786 --> 00:51:33,032
What they represented
was 100% authentic.

1084
00:51:33,056 --> 00:51:36,235
It wouldn't have had the effect
on people that it did if it weren't.

1085
00:51:36,259 --> 00:51:37,627
It's impossible.

1086
00:51:40,597 --> 00:51:42,942
[SINGERS HARMONIZING]

1087
00:51:42,966 --> 00:51:44,911
CHRISTOPHER: Let's come
in on that and let's land 'em.

1088
00:51:44,935 --> 00:51:46,336
[ALL HARMONIZING]

1089
00:51:47,304 --> 00:51:50,140
One, two, three.

1090
00:51:51,274 --> 00:51:54,111
ALL: [SINGING]
♪ Fighting

1091
00:51:57,914 --> 00:52:01,818
♪ Keep on fighting

1092
00:52:02,586 --> 00:52:03,586
♪ You

1093
00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:09,359
♪ Trying

1094
00:52:12,629 --> 00:52:17,134
♪ You gotta keep on trying

1095
00:52:17,667 --> 00:52:18,802
♪ We do

1096
00:52:21,238 --> 00:52:24,074
♪ Where did the light go?

1097
00:52:25,275 --> 00:52:28,888
♪ Darkness can take
A hold of me

1098
00:52:28,912 --> 00:52:31,414
♪ Where did the time go?

1099
00:52:32,682 --> 00:52:36,629
♪ I'm feeling so empty
On these streets

1100
00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:39,422
♪ Knowing what I know

1101
00:52:40,690 --> 00:52:44,303
♪ All of the lies
Are not concealed

1102
00:52:44,327 --> 00:52:47,006
♪ I know you had high hopes

1103
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:50,333
♪ For these
All-forgotten dreams

1104
00:52:51,968 --> 00:52:55,172
♪ Where did the light go?

1105
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,576
♪ Hiding

1106
00:53:03,713 --> 00:53:07,284
♪ You keep on hiding

1107
00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:09,218
♪ The truth

1108
00:53:12,389 --> 00:53:15,268
♪ Why then

1109
00:53:15,292 --> 00:53:16,893
[PIANO NOTES PLAYING]

1110
00:53:19,129 --> 00:53:22,933
♪ You're still fighting

1111
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:24,768
♪ Ain't you?

1112
00:53:27,237 --> 00:53:29,739
♪ Where did the light go?

1113
00:53:31,007 --> 00:53:34,987
♪ Darkness can take
A hold of me

1114
00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:37,447
♪ Where did the time go?

1115
00:53:38,648 --> 00:53:42,728
♪ I'm feeling so empty
On these streets

1116
00:53:42,752 --> 00:53:45,388
♪ Knowing what I know

1117
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:50,303
♪ All of the lies
Are not concealed

1118
00:53:50,327 --> 00:53:53,139
♪ I know you had high hopes

1119
00:53:53,163 --> 00:53:56,233
♪ For these
All-forgotten dreams

1120
00:53:58,101 --> 00:54:01,438
♪ Where did the light go? ♪

1121
00:54:03,206 --> 00:54:06,052
[CHEERING AND LAUGHING]

1122
00:54:06,076 --> 00:54:09,479
♪ Where did the light go? ♪

1123
00:54:12,682 --> 00:54:14,284
[SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING]