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♪ This is the place
for all my relations

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♪ Bring celebration
through meditation

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♪ Giving thanks for
all of creation

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♪ We are so
provided for

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♪ We are so
provided for ♪

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JENNIFER: They were
a flock, if you would,

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'cause there are
so many of them.

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They were giggling and laughing

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and I remember
commenting to Amanda, like,

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"Wow, those kids
are so beautiful."

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You know, like, "Who
are their parents?"

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Yeah, their smiles
were just infectious,

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you know, just like,
lit up the entire room.

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So without even
knowing their names,

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you just wanted to meet them.

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CHRISTOPHER:
Couldn't miss them.

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Just because it was
an entourage, you know.

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And they would always roll
together as an entourage.

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NUSHEEN: You have no idea
what those two women went through.

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You don't live
their life and I think

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and I think a lot of people
are having trouble

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because they were
made of so much light,

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also accepting the fact
that there was a lot of turmoil

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in the family, and
a lot of suffering

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and a lot of tragedy
that they had to get over.

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Most of the social interactions
that these two women had

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was outside people who
were, you know, online, or

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ways that you can perfectly
curate a temporary image

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of perfection.

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Love you.

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I think Jen took on
more responsibilities

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then, you know, found
herself in over her head

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probably pretty quickly.

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Didn't really anticipate
what she signed up for.

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I love you.

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WOMAN: Wipe that tear.
I don't like to see that.

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[CAR HONKING]

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REPORTER 1: Still
searching for the missing kids.

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MAN 1: Amid allegations
of child abuse or neglect.

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MAN 2: Cellphone pings
and surveillance pictures

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giving us a better idea of
what happened to the family.

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MAN Raise your right
hand, please.

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Do you affirm
you'll tell the truth,

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the whole truth and
nothing but the truth.

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MAN 4: Yes, I do.

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REPORTER: A complicated legacy
that remains a mystery.

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MAN 5: All we know is
that the vehicle ended up

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at the bottom
of a 100 foot cliff,

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and that's what
we're looking for now,

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to see if we could figure
out what happened.

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They were all just a big hug.

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And every memory I have of them,

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is connected and punctuated
by the same moment,

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of just a flood of them arriving

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and us all hugging
each other in one big ball.

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Every time.

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And no pretense.

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No dishonesty.
Just...

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totally present and
completely full of, like this

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effervescent, intoxicating love.

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That was just undeniable.

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All of us thought Devonte
was gonna be the president.

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You know what I mean?
Markis, God bless him,

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you know, I mean,
Markis never talked.

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I knew Markis for
four years, and he had

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his head in the
books all the time.

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The most excited I ever
saw him was when that

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bird landed on the podium
at the Bernie Sanders thing.

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He was, like, clapping
and he was, like, smiling

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and that was, that was Markis.

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Devonte, he reached out,
but he was also, like,

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the most sensitive of the group.

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Hello, Nusheen, how
are you doing today?

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I missed you. Thank
you for that birthday mask,

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I loved it so much.

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[WOMAN LAUGHING]

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Making some bean
wraps today for my siblings.

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To me, it seemed like,

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these children were so

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joyful and well adjusted,

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and engaging, I mean,

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they were all different.

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And Markis and Hannah
were much quieter,

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they were much,
much more observers,

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and peripheral, and the part
of me that prefers the edges

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related to them in that way.

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And then Devonte and Jeremiah,

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and Sierra were
always right up in there.

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You know, engaging
with everybody.

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JEN: Go, Abby, go.

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She's washing her hair, I think.

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[ALL LAUGHING]

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Got it up my nose.

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JENNIFEDevonte was definitely
the most outgoing and charismatic.

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And you could
tell that within him

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that he's a very old soul.

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That, as we got to know
the rest of the family,

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I really feel like
Jeremiah and Abby,

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would jump out of their shells

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and they'd just be
these characters...

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[CHILDREN GIGGLING]

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I think that,
because their brother

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was so outgoing,
that it helped them

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to feel more comfortable
in their own skin.

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I first met Jen in 2015.

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At that time, I was
the leader of the game

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that we were playing,

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but it ended up being almost
an everyday interaction.

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Jen was more of
an inspiration, I think,

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on multiple levels
for a lot of us,

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being active politically

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for the rights of
Black Lives Matter.

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Huge.

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She was a huge
person in that, actually.

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I can't put into words.

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But she motivated me
to actually speak out

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and use my voice more.

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She was very honest,

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she would straight up
tell you a lot, like,

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"Oh, my God, your
children are perfect.

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"Everything
is wonderful."

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And she was, like,
"No, they're still kids,

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"they're still kids, like,
there's still stuff that happens,

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"that, like, you know,
you gotta deal with.

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"But, yeah, I'm really lucky.

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"Because these kids
are really amazing.

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"And I am very, very blessed
to have them in my life."

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ZIPPORAH: So Sarah
was often quieter,

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kind of, like, Markis
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And Jen was always,
like, right there, as well.

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Right in the middle of things.

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- SARAH: What?
- You can see a snake for real?

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Not a real one, honey.
Look at, right here.

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BOY: I got
snake there.

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What's this?

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- You guys like it here, don't you?
- Yeah.

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Jen was, you know, just
a very friendly person,

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good smile, good laugh,

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seemed like a reasonable
play person to me.

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She seemed frustrated with
the problems of the world.

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Sarah was very quiet, definitely
seemed a little more shy,

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I didn't really...

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I feel like I only really talked to
Sarah once, you know, at a party.

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Like, all the other time, Sarah
was, like, "Hi." "Bye." Kind of like that.

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I started working
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in Beaverton, in 2015.

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She was always
backed by kids and home.

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She had an earthy
flow vibe to her.

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NUSHEEN: Sarah's
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She was, like, this very
quiet, very go with the flow,

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just like solider, right?

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Constantly exhausted
from working so hard.

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Gets home, calm, even keeled.

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[SINGING]

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There was that moment
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you see Xavier, gestured, like,

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"Come, give me a hug."

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[SINGING]

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[PEOPLE CHEERING]

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As Xavier was hugging Devonte,

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and still singing, all of us saw

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he became very
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which would happen a lot.

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[PEOPLE LAUGHING]

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It was a very common occurrence

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that people would start crying,

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and he turned, and,

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with his sobbing face, he
ran straight into Jen's arms.

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And when I saw that,
I just started bawling.

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Because what I saw
so clearly there, was that

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he loved her, and she loved him.

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What I saw there, and again,

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I'm looking through
my confirmation bias,

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I saw pure love.

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OFFICER: You are in the street
blocking the roadway.

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You're unlawfully assembled.

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Everybody want me to be calm.

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Do you know how
many bullets hit my son?

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Burn this bitch down!
Burn this bitch down!

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Burn down!

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We are Darren Wilson.

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OFFICER: You need to
disperse immediately.

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Or you will be subject
to arrest. Do it now.

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What the world needs now

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might just be what
we see in this photo,

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after days of disturbing
media imagery.

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MAN: That moment in time,
the picture that is out

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floating around on the Internet,

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and throughout the world.

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I think that just
captured the moment.

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So apropos of what not only
the community is asking for,

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what the nation is asking for,

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but what the world
is asking for right now.

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I saw it online
like most people did,

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I remember,
it very specifically,

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because Kim Kardashian

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came out with that ridiculous,

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uh, paste article of her
butt, like, popping something

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up in the air, and they were, like,
Kim Kardashian broke the Internet,

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- and then it was, Devonte Hart...
- BOTH: Saved the Internet.

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In the same day
because, like, it shut down

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the Internet of her butt, and
then it was Devonte hugging,

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you know, someone that
brought everyone back up.

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I remember people posting,
and things, just saying

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resharing and resharing

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of, "Oh, my God, this
child is healing me in a way.

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"I didn't ever think that I
could feel this type of hope,

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"in a picture
like this."

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If you've ever received
a hug from Devonte,

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you know, you knew
that he meant it.

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He hugged you with
the entirety of himself.

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He wasn't the type of person that
just, like, one of those little arm pats.

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It was, he... I remember when
we first had our exchange of a hug,

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he said, "Oh, you're
a good hugger."

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- Yeah.
- "You hug heart to heart.

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"You know that
that's what it's about.

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"It's about
our hearts."

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He's like, "We've to hold,
we've to give a second,

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"and you squeeze, so people
know that you really mean it."

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And at the time, I was "Wow.

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"My mom taught me that.
Who taught you that?"

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And he's like,
"My mom."

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I was like,
"It's a good mom."

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He's like, "Yeah, she's okay.

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It felt like, to me,
like, he really did,

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you know, in his own young way,

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wanna make the
world a better place.

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In that, he was initiating that.

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That photo going
viral is an example

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of social media
success in some ways.

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It felt like a real story,

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a real human moment

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being captured that's
not, um, negative

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and it's really beautiful.

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Devonte was at that time,

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telling us about his
birthday coming up

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and how one of his
favorite things to do

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was to raise money
for different organizations,

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that had to do with the
Earth and protecting her.

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- And, uh...
- AMANDA: That's what I think I saw the first Free Hugs.

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The sign, he was wearing

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the Free Hugs sign
at that benefit.

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And we're like, "What's
up with the hugs?"

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No, down at the square.

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Yeah, that's what I mean,
at the square benefit.

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And then, that's
when he explained,

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"Every year, I raise, like, try to
raise funds for my favorite charity

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by giving hugs and people,
you know, donate to that.

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I was struck when I
went back and looked at

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how much interesting
Facebook posts about her family

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and how often
she was doing that.

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That would give you
a lack of privacy,

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you know, to be posting
that much stuff about yourself.

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I don't think she
did it intentionally

257
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but it's definitely cultivating
seeds to have a viral video

258
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happen for you,
or a viral photo.

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That kind of behavior. Putting
yourself out there that much.

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Now that I see tons
of posts about the kids,

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interesting snippets
where it's, kind of, personal.

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I never understood
that dichotomy of it.

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The... What she would tell me about how
much she didn't want to be in limelight,

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and then how much the
posting and those type of things

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caused them
to be in the limelight.

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I think this is
an example of how

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that extremist and rapid

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environment of
sharing information

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blows over and doesn't
look back to check back in on

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parts of the story that, um, don't,
maybe, necessarily fit a narrative,

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that is, that could go viral,

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that are more complex,
more nuanced, and, like,

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that's where our humanity is.

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The deepest truths about us are

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not totally black and white.

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There's a gradient,

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all the shade exists there

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and, like, that is so important

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to be able to have a
venue for discussing that,

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and the mainstream
media and social media,

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are moving at such a pace,

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that we don't even discuss

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in a context where our
humanity can be understood.

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NUSHEEN: I remember Jen
telling me she felt like she had PTSD,

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as a result of that
photo coming out.

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Someone taking
something so beautiful,

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and running with it and
creating so much hate in diversity.

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She felt like...

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they would never...

290
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escape people looking
in from the outside,

291
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and...

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being suspicious
and judging them.

293
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And honestly, the
more people did that,

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the more they closed off.

295
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I started to notice, like, the
Sarah that I thought I knew,

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she started to hide more.

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She started to, I guess,
withdraw herself.

298
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I think they probably
didn't know how bad

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the reaction was gonna be.

300
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I think they probably just...

301
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God, I don't know.

302
00:14:54.894 --> 00:14:57.806
After the picture
of Devonte went viral,

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and, you know, the moms, or Jen, perceived
herself to be the target for harassment,

304
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at least according
to one of her friends,

305
00:15:04.103 --> 00:15:06.214
that seems to be one of
the theories about she fell

306
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into a deep depression.

307
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It had to do with
that photo going viral

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and all the perceived
harassment.

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From my observation, from

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things Jen told me personally,

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and shared privately,
on Facebook,

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that,

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the public response
to the hug photo,

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was the snare that
began the unraveling.

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WOMAN: My name is
Tammy Sheurich,

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I'm the mother of Markis,
Hannah and Abigail.

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When they took my children away,

318
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I went through a very
deep and dark depression,

319
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I'd sat myself in the house,

320
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I didn't know what was
happening, I didn't understand.

321
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I just started comin'
out of the house,

322
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when I was arrested.

323
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My rights weren't
terminated by Child Services.

324
00:16:00.726 --> 00:16:03.738
I voluntarily
relinquished my rights.

325
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I was trying to make the
most unselfish decision

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for my children.

327
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WOMAN: My name
is Shonda Jones,

328
00:16:13.505 --> 00:16:15.083
I'm an attorney
here in Houston, Texas,

329
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I've practiced
for over 22 years.

330
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I practice primarily
in the are of family law.

331
00:16:20.612 --> 00:16:22.090
I really don't know, honestly,

332
00:16:22.114 --> 00:16:27.095
about the specifics of Sherry
and Mr. Davis' relationship.

333
00:16:27.119 --> 00:16:30.932
Um, I do believe Mr. Davis
really truly loved those kids.

334
00:16:30.956 --> 00:16:34.302
But CPS, from my recollection,

335
00:16:34.326 --> 00:16:36.738
didn't think
that he was eligible.

336
00:16:36.762 --> 00:16:38.773
My guess is that Mom,

337
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one can look at it, and
say she made the choice.

338
00:16:41.433 --> 00:16:44.279
You know, she chose
the drugs over the children.

339
00:16:44.303 --> 00:16:47.182
Um, and I don't mean to say
that in a way to try to blame her,

340
00:16:47.206 --> 00:16:49.842
because I don't know
anything about Sherry's past.

341
00:17:21.473 --> 00:17:24.019
So when I was young,
I was in a placement,

342
00:17:24.043 --> 00:17:26.324
You know, if I'd done good
I'd have been with my brothers.

343
00:17:27.579 --> 00:17:31.626
You know, when I was
young, I used to always fight.

344
00:17:31.650 --> 00:17:33.652
You know, get into
stuff, get in trouble.

345
00:17:34.686 --> 00:17:36.798
So I didn't have the time to,

346
00:17:36.822 --> 00:17:38.133
you know, regroup with them,

347
00:17:38.157 --> 00:17:42.237
By the time I calmed down,
they got adopted.

348
00:17:42.261 --> 00:17:44.839
I used to always ask, like,
"I wanna see my brothers.

349
00:17:44.863 --> 00:17:46.641
"Can I see
my brothers?"

350
00:17:46.665 --> 00:17:50.145
And they'd be like,
"No, you're a bad influence."

351
00:17:50.169 --> 00:17:51.846
At the stage that I
came into the case,

352
00:17:51.870 --> 00:17:55.650
that's when Sherry Hurd
and Clarence Celestine's

353
00:17:55.674 --> 00:17:57.185
rights were being terminated.

354
00:17:57.209 --> 00:17:59.521
And I think, like I said,
that was the damage control.

355
00:17:59.545 --> 00:18:01.589
They were panicking, and
then that's when they thought

356
00:18:01.613 --> 00:18:04.025
that Celestine would be
the most suitable candidate

357
00:18:04.049 --> 00:18:06.618
to be the caretaker
for the children.

358
00:18:09.888 --> 00:18:12.067
I thought that maybe
I would see the kids again

359
00:18:12.091 --> 00:18:14.369
and I just wanted to hold on
to let them know

360
00:18:14.393 --> 00:18:16.271
there was somebody
who fought for you.

361
00:18:16.295 --> 00:18:17.939
Because once the rights
are terminated,

362
00:18:17.963 --> 00:18:20.275
they don't know anything
about why they wound up

363
00:18:20.299 --> 00:18:22.101
where they were,
they just know we're here.

364
00:18:23.202 --> 00:18:25.080
And they think that
no one cared about them,

365
00:18:25.104 --> 00:18:29.217
so I wanted them to know, you
had an aunt who fought for you.

366
00:18:29.241 --> 00:18:32.053
I felt that it was an injustice

367
00:18:32.077 --> 00:18:34.189
when the children
were abruptly removed

368
00:18:34.213 --> 00:18:37.349
from Miss Celestine
without having an opportunity

369
00:18:38.117 --> 00:18:39.561
to be brought into court,

370
00:18:39.585 --> 00:18:40.929
to have a hearing,

371
00:18:40.953 --> 00:18:43.364
to some due process.

372
00:18:43.388 --> 00:18:46.801
The reason for removing the children
from Celestine I think was very cold,

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00:18:46.825 --> 00:18:48.136
I think it was very callous

374
00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.138
and I think
it was a benign reason.

375
00:18:50.162 --> 00:18:52.040
I think it was something
that could've been handled

376
00:18:52.064 --> 00:18:54.609
in a much more, in my
opinion, humane manner.

377
00:18:54.633 --> 00:18:56.811
I think they could've
brought her into court,

378
00:18:56.835 --> 00:18:58.713
they could've issued
her a warning,

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00:18:58.737 --> 00:19:01.883
and make her aware
of the seriousness

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00:19:01.907 --> 00:19:03.952
of letting the mom
see the children.

381
00:19:03.976 --> 00:19:05.920
Once CPS takes the position,

382
00:19:05.944 --> 00:19:08.790
and their position is that the
rights are going to be terminated

383
00:19:08.814 --> 00:19:11.226
that's exactly
what's going to happen.

384
00:19:11.250 --> 00:19:15.154
The courts normally, honestly,
rubber stamp whatever CPS says.

385
00:19:15.921 --> 00:19:17.689
I mean, they just do.

386
00:19:20.592 --> 00:19:22.027
Really...

387
00:19:23.595 --> 00:19:25.240
I want to say it's my fault

388
00:19:25.264 --> 00:19:27.533
but then again, it's not.

389
00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:29.744
I had no control over it.

390
00:19:29.768 --> 00:19:31.346
When I had control over it,

391
00:19:31.370 --> 00:19:33.281
I feel like
it was kinda my fault.

392
00:19:33.305 --> 00:19:34.573
[NATHANIEL SPEAKING]

393
00:19:43.282 --> 00:19:44.616
[KIDS CHATTER]

394
00:20:02.167 --> 00:20:05.880
DANA: They moved in, I
want to say May 17th, 2017.

395
00:20:05.904 --> 00:20:08.550
I knew the house had sold

396
00:20:08.574 --> 00:20:10.518
and I had looked up
that it had closed

397
00:20:10.542 --> 00:20:12.487
and they moved in
shortly thereafter.

398
00:20:12.511 --> 00:20:15.290
We've had kids live
next door before.

399
00:20:15.314 --> 00:20:18.126
You hear them, you see them,

400
00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:20.528
they speak to you,
you know, and...

401
00:20:20.552 --> 00:20:23.298
So this was completely abnormal

402
00:20:23.322 --> 00:20:25.633
to have six kids
that we never saw,

403
00:20:25.657 --> 00:20:27.235
heard, or spoke to.

404
00:20:27.259 --> 00:20:29.571
Sarah didn't really tell us
much about her family.

405
00:20:29.595 --> 00:20:31.806
I don't know anyone
that worked with us

406
00:20:31.830 --> 00:20:35.843
that knew more than
she's married to Jen

407
00:20:35.867 --> 00:20:38.170
and she has six kids.
I mean, she didn't really

408
00:20:39.238 --> 00:20:40.582
tell much about her family.

409
00:20:40.606 --> 00:20:42.350
To me, that was
a little weird 'cause

410
00:20:42.374 --> 00:20:45.019
I brag about my son
24/7, you know.

411
00:20:45.043 --> 00:20:47.655
And besides knowing
that she has six kids,

412
00:20:47.679 --> 00:20:49.857
we didn't really know
much about her.

413
00:20:49.881 --> 00:20:52.594
One of the impressions I got
when you sent me the photos,

414
00:20:52.618 --> 00:20:55.396
you know, of their Facebook
feeds, of Jen and Sara.

415
00:20:55.420 --> 00:20:56.764
Is like how perfect they are.

416
00:20:56.788 --> 00:20:59.567
And the word perfectly curated
comes up a lot.

417
00:20:59.591 --> 00:21:01.569
And what that implies is,

418
00:21:01.593 --> 00:21:04.839
curation implies an act of
image manipulation essentially.

419
00:21:04.863 --> 00:21:07.542
So they were,
they lived the kinds of lives

420
00:21:07.566 --> 00:21:10.378
that they can project this
perfect image of themselves

421
00:21:10.402 --> 00:21:13.881
because most of their quote-unquote
"friends" were either through Facebook

422
00:21:13.905 --> 00:21:17.018
or they were, kind of this
temporary encounters at festivals

423
00:21:17.042 --> 00:21:18.920
where they could,
on a temporary basis

424
00:21:18.944 --> 00:21:21.623
project everything positive
they want to project about them.

425
00:21:21.647 --> 00:21:25.226
The pictures of them
playing in the snow

426
00:21:25.250 --> 00:21:27.562
those kids were not outside
playing in the snow

427
00:21:27.586 --> 00:21:29.764
but yet there is this
picture of them, you know,

428
00:21:29.788 --> 00:21:31.933
and it's so perfectly propped

429
00:21:31.957 --> 00:21:34.969
with Devonte and I think,
it was Jeremiah

430
00:21:34.993 --> 00:21:36.904
and they're sitting out
in the snow

431
00:21:36.928 --> 00:21:38.740
and they have a mug
in their hand

432
00:21:38.764 --> 00:21:41.075
and they're probably, you
know, drinking hot chocolate.

433
00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:45.113
Or where they're on the side
of a lake

434
00:21:45.137 --> 00:21:48.674
and they are turning around
and blowing kisses to mom.

435
00:22:07.526 --> 00:22:09.804
I am Investigator Jake Slates,

436
00:22:09.828 --> 00:22:11.839
S-L-A-T-E-S.

437
00:22:11.863 --> 00:22:14.142
I am currently employed by
the California Highway Patrol

438
00:22:14.166 --> 00:22:17.578
and I've been employed with them
for approximately ten years now.

439
00:22:17.602 --> 00:22:19.480
Um, my current position is

440
00:22:19.504 --> 00:22:22.850
I'm in our investigative
services unit.

441
00:22:22.874 --> 00:22:24.919
At one point, there was a call

442
00:22:24.943 --> 00:22:26.688
from the elementary school,

443
00:22:26.712 --> 00:22:28.456
of one of the children
being abused.

444
00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:30.191
That would've been Abigail.

445
00:22:30.215 --> 00:22:34.195
CPS department ended up doing
an investigation in to that report.

446
00:22:34.219 --> 00:22:36.998
They observed that
the child had extensive

447
00:22:37.022 --> 00:22:38.800
injuries to her body.

448
00:22:38.824 --> 00:22:40.702
At that point, there were
some indications

449
00:22:40.726 --> 00:22:43.271
that the kids
were not eating properly.

450
00:22:43.295 --> 00:22:47.809
When both Sara and Jennifer
were questioned about the incident,

451
00:22:47.833 --> 00:22:49.844
um, Abigail named Jennifer

452
00:22:49.868 --> 00:22:52.814
as the one that was
the abusive parent,

453
00:22:52.838 --> 00:22:55.516
but when questioned
by authorities,

454
00:22:55.540 --> 00:22:57.885
Sarah was the one
that took the blame.

455
00:22:57.909 --> 00:22:59.487
We'd kind of established
at this point

456
00:22:59.511 --> 00:23:01.889
that there seemed to be
a pattern that was going on

457
00:23:01.913 --> 00:23:05.660
and when Clerk County told me
that there was another CPS report

458
00:23:05.684 --> 00:23:07.328
that had been opened up

459
00:23:07.352 --> 00:23:11.456
into allegations
of child misconduct,

460
00:23:12.257 --> 00:23:14.035
that indicated to us

461
00:23:14.059 --> 00:23:18.239
that this is potentially
another situation to that effect.

462
00:23:18.263 --> 00:23:21.909
MAN: Yeah, there are some kids
that I feel are being highly abused.

463
00:23:21.933 --> 00:23:24.078
DISPATCHER: Where at?
MAN: I can't wait till Monday...

464
00:23:24.102 --> 00:23:27.148
In Woodland, Washington.

465
00:23:27.172 --> 00:23:29.584
DISPATCHER: What's the address?

466
00:23:29.608 --> 00:23:32.520
MAN: Okay, I'm gonna give you
the address of my daughter's house

467
00:23:32.544 --> 00:23:35.556
- 'cause it's right next door.
- DISPATCHER: Okay, and what's going on there?

468
00:23:35.580 --> 00:23:38.259
The doorbell rang,
the dog went crazy

469
00:23:38.283 --> 00:23:41.329
and Hannah just came
barging in the door.

470
00:23:41.353 --> 00:23:44.499
She was just covered
in blackberry weeds

471
00:23:44.523 --> 00:23:46.534
and grass, you know, just...

472
00:23:46.558 --> 00:23:49.070
you could tell she's been
running through the weeds.

473
00:23:49.094 --> 00:23:53.341
MAN: The other night, a little girl
jumped out of the second story window

474
00:23:53.365 --> 00:23:56.077
on the roof
and then down onto the ground.

475
00:23:56.101 --> 00:23:59.347
And ran to my daughter.
This is like, 2:00 in the morning,

476
00:23:59.371 --> 00:24:02.016
begging them to help her,
to help her.

477
00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:04.051
And she just kinda
barged her way in

478
00:24:04.075 --> 00:24:06.220
and was pleading to Bruce
to help her

479
00:24:06.244 --> 00:24:09.424
and to please protect her,
"save her" type of thing.

480
00:24:09.448 --> 00:24:12.059
And so, he starts
yelling my name

481
00:24:12.083 --> 00:24:15.062
for me to come down, 'cause
he didn't know what to do.

482
00:24:15.086 --> 00:24:17.622
DISPATCHER: Did the girl ever
say why she was scared?

483
00:24:18.824 --> 00:24:21.602
MAN: No, she...
She was crying

484
00:24:21.626 --> 00:24:24.639
and when they came
looking for her,

485
00:24:24.663 --> 00:24:26.541
she was begging my daughter

486
00:24:26.565 --> 00:24:28.443
not to let them know
she was there.

487
00:24:28.467 --> 00:24:31.746
And then eventually
my son in law let them know.

488
00:24:31.770 --> 00:24:33.781
So I got up and...

489
00:24:33.805 --> 00:24:35.750
got her to calm down
a little bit and talk

490
00:24:35.774 --> 00:24:38.386
and she started telling us
how they were, you know,

491
00:24:38.410 --> 00:24:40.621
abusing her, they were racist.

492
00:24:40.645 --> 00:24:43.658
In the meantime,
her moms and siblings

493
00:24:43.682 --> 00:24:45.793
were all out in the property

494
00:24:45.817 --> 00:24:48.896
yelling her name and had
flashlights looking for her.

495
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.600
And so Bruce went
and said, "She's here",

496
00:24:52.624 --> 00:24:54.435
then they came to the door

497
00:24:54.459 --> 00:24:56.637
and they just kinda
barged in the house

498
00:24:56.661 --> 00:24:58.473
and found her in my bedroom.

499
00:24:58.497 --> 00:25:01.742
And she had huddled down
between my bed and dresser

500
00:25:01.766 --> 00:25:05.947
and was, you know, just scared.

501
00:25:05.971 --> 00:25:09.317
I mean, I... so when the
moms approached her,

502
00:25:09.341 --> 00:25:11.285
I could see her
just like, freaking out

503
00:25:11.309 --> 00:25:13.354
so I told them, "Whoa, back up.

504
00:25:13.378 --> 00:25:16.023
You need to give her some
space, you're freaking me out now".

505
00:25:16.047 --> 00:25:19.093
And so, Jennifer took Sarah
by the shoulder

506
00:25:19.117 --> 00:25:20.628
and pulled her back and said,

507
00:25:20.652 --> 00:25:23.097
"You go back with the
other kids, I'll deal with this".

508
00:25:23.121 --> 00:25:27.001
They left, and she stood
right there in the entry

509
00:25:27.025 --> 00:25:29.270
and she kind of
crouched down to Hannah's size

510
00:25:29.294 --> 00:25:30.838
and was telling her, you know,

511
00:25:30.862 --> 00:25:32.874
you just need to tell
these people you're sorry...

512
00:25:32.898 --> 00:25:34.141
"Yes, ma'am."

513
00:25:34.165 --> 00:25:35.776
and you need to explain
to them you know,

514
00:25:35.800 --> 00:25:37.812
that you've just been really
sad, it's been a tough week.

515
00:25:37.836 --> 00:25:39.347
"Yes, ma'am."

516
00:25:39.371 --> 00:25:41.373
Just total

517
00:25:42.007 --> 00:25:43.985
you know, robot.

518
00:25:44.009 --> 00:25:48.055
MAN: And then she had all
four of the kids come back later

519
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:49.957
and to say everything was okay

520
00:25:49.981 --> 00:25:51.626
and they're all standing
at attention

521
00:25:51.650 --> 00:25:53.828
like they were just
scared to death.

522
00:25:53.852 --> 00:25:55.396
The next morning,

523
00:25:55.420 --> 00:25:57.789
6:30 in the morning,
my doorbell's ringing.

524
00:26:00.358 --> 00:26:02.203
"Dear Dana Bruce,

525
00:26:02.227 --> 00:26:05.206
I stopped this morning because I
feel awful about disturbing your peace

526
00:26:05.230 --> 00:26:07.174
and worrying you
in the middle of the night.

527
00:26:07.198 --> 00:26:09.010
I was very frustrated
with my brother

528
00:26:09.034 --> 00:26:11.178
and didn't handle things
very maturely

529
00:26:11.202 --> 00:26:13.881
and I am sorry for telling lies
to get attention.

530
00:26:13.905 --> 00:26:15.883
I am working
on being more honest

531
00:26:15.907 --> 00:26:19.320
and finding better ways
to communicate my frustrations.

532
00:26:19.344 --> 00:26:22.990
I've been pretty sad about
two of our cats dying recently.

533
00:26:23.014 --> 00:26:25.860
So I was just very sad
and frustrated last night.

534
00:26:25.884 --> 00:26:28.286
Thank you for being kind,
Hannah."

535
00:26:30.121 --> 00:26:32.934
MAN: Since she's told me
about it, I just can't live with it.

536
00:26:32.958 --> 00:26:35.336
I am very concerned
for these kids

537
00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:37.438
I just can't let this go
any longer,

538
00:26:37.462 --> 00:26:39.431
those kids, I think
are in very serious danger.

539
00:26:43.535 --> 00:26:46.047
DANThe first time he came
was March 15th,

540
00:26:46.071 --> 00:26:47.915
he showed up late evening,

541
00:26:47.939 --> 00:26:52.086
and Bruce was actually outside,
it was like at 9 o clock at night,

542
00:26:52.110 --> 00:26:55.590
and he caught him
running down the driveway,

543
00:26:55.614 --> 00:26:57.959
and he yelled out to him,
you know, "What's going on?"

544
00:26:57.983 --> 00:27:00.428
So he came back
and asked for tortillas.

545
00:27:00.452 --> 00:27:02.363
So the next morning at 9am,

546
00:27:02.387 --> 00:27:04.131
he's asking me for bread

547
00:27:04.155 --> 00:27:05.566
and I said,
well, I don't eat bread

548
00:27:05.590 --> 00:27:07.768
but I have tortillas.

549
00:27:07.792 --> 00:27:09.971
And he goes, "Yeah, okay."

550
00:27:09.995 --> 00:27:13.874
So I went out to the garage and I
gave him a huge Costco pack of them.

551
00:27:13.898 --> 00:27:16.210
And then he left.

552
00:27:16.234 --> 00:27:18.145
Well then he came back,

553
00:27:18.169 --> 00:27:20.147
you know, and each day
it was, you know,

554
00:27:20.171 --> 00:27:22.249
it went from once a day,
twice a day,

555
00:27:22.273 --> 00:27:24.885
three times a day,
as late as 11 o clock at night

556
00:27:24.909 --> 00:27:28.756
he was showing up and he
started asking for more staples,

557
00:27:28.780 --> 00:27:30.558
like peanut butter and,

558
00:27:30.582 --> 00:27:32.927
um, at one point
he literally said,

559
00:27:32.951 --> 00:27:35.329
I need non-perishables.

560
00:27:35.353 --> 00:27:37.798
I need that can't be, you
know, that aren't frozen

561
00:27:37.822 --> 00:27:39.233
or don't need refrigeration,

562
00:27:39.257 --> 00:27:40.768
like uncured meats

563
00:27:40.792 --> 00:27:42.470
and tortillas and peanut butter,

564
00:27:42.494 --> 00:27:43.938
and I need six of them.

565
00:27:43.962 --> 00:27:45.640
So I am thinking,
"Oh, my God."

566
00:27:45.664 --> 00:27:47.141
You know, "It's six kids..."

567
00:27:47.165 --> 00:27:50.978
and so I...
I wanted to earn his trust,

568
00:27:51.002 --> 00:27:53.114
so then I started asking him,
"What's going on?"

569
00:27:53.138 --> 00:27:55.750
You know, "You're starting to
scare me, this is not normal."

570
00:27:55.774 --> 00:27:58.419
and he said, "Well...

571
00:27:58.443 --> 00:28:01.422
we're teenagers and
we do bad things sometimes"

572
00:28:01.446 --> 00:28:02.757
and he kinda shrugged
his shoulders

573
00:28:02.781 --> 00:28:04.492
and he laughed and he said,

574
00:28:04.516 --> 00:28:05.960
"You know, so we get punished",

575
00:28:05.984 --> 00:28:08.963
and I'm like, "No,
what do you mean punished?"

576
00:28:08.987 --> 00:28:12.433
And then he goes,
she used to not feed us a meal

577
00:28:12.457 --> 00:28:16.103
but now it's going into
days at a time.

578
00:28:16.127 --> 00:28:20.941
And I'm like, there's nothing a kid
can do wrong enough to not be fed.

579
00:28:20.965 --> 00:28:23.778
And so, he's like, "Don't
tell Mom, don't tell Mom."

580
00:28:23.802 --> 00:28:26.647
You know, that's how
he would leave it every time.

581
00:28:26.671 --> 00:28:30.151
So I said, "Okay, well, who's
Mom? You have two moms.

582
00:28:30.175 --> 00:28:31.652
Who are we talking about?

583
00:28:31.676 --> 00:28:34.188
And he said,
"No, it's Mom and Sarah".

584
00:28:34.212 --> 00:28:35.956
And then he,

585
00:28:35.980 --> 00:28:37.658
as the week went on,
he told us that

586
00:28:37.682 --> 00:28:41.062
they were abusing him
as well as not feeding them,

587
00:28:41.086 --> 00:28:44.231
and that Sarah didn't,
used to go along with it,

588
00:28:44.255 --> 00:28:46.067
but she was tolerating it now.

589
00:28:46.091 --> 00:28:49.303
It is highly controlling
to an unusual degree

590
00:28:49.327 --> 00:28:52.206
to withhold food from your
children on a regular basis

591
00:28:52.230 --> 00:28:53.974
to sculpt their behaviors,

592
00:28:53.998 --> 00:28:57.511
you know, Where The Wild Things
Are, where Max doesn't get his supper

593
00:28:57.535 --> 00:28:59.914
because he was being,
causing a ruckus.

594
00:28:59.938 --> 00:29:02.249
You know, where you don't
give a kid dinner for a few hours

595
00:29:02.273 --> 00:29:05.886
but to actually withhold food to
the point where they seem like

596
00:29:05.910 --> 00:29:08.689
they would be in medical
definitions of being malnourished,

597
00:29:08.713 --> 00:29:10.491
that's obviously very extreme.

598
00:29:10.515 --> 00:29:13.861
So the next morning, he came
over at like 9:00 in the morning.

599
00:29:13.885 --> 00:29:15.563
[SNIFFLES] And he said,
"Have you been to the store yet?"

600
00:29:15.587 --> 00:29:18.232
And I said,
you know, "No, not yet."

601
00:29:18.256 --> 00:29:21.826
And he goes, "I need you
to go right away."

602
00:29:22.761 --> 00:29:25.906
And I said, "Okay."

603
00:29:25.930 --> 00:29:27.875
And I told him
I was calling CPS,

604
00:29:27.899 --> 00:29:29.744
which, as soon as he left,
I called them.

605
00:29:29.768 --> 00:29:32.012
I didn't see any obvious signs

606
00:29:32.036 --> 00:29:34.615
and you know, I...

607
00:29:34.639 --> 00:29:37.418
I guess, you know, I
don't know what to look for.

608
00:29:37.442 --> 00:29:40.588
I know what signs to look for
if your kid gets abused,

609
00:29:40.612 --> 00:29:43.023
you own kid,
and how their behavior changes,

610
00:29:43.047 --> 00:29:46.761
but you know, I don't really
know how to see that in others.

611
00:29:46.785 --> 00:29:49.630
He did actually
use the word "abuse"

612
00:29:49.654 --> 00:29:51.365
and then he to... [STUTTERS]

613
00:29:51.389 --> 00:29:53.134
then he told me, um...

614
00:29:53.158 --> 00:29:55.360
Ah, sorry, this makes me cry...

615
00:30:02.801 --> 00:30:04.335
[SNIFFLING]

616
00:30:06.671 --> 00:30:08.149
He told me that...

617
00:30:08.173 --> 00:30:09.574
I'm sorry.

618
00:30:12.010 --> 00:30:14.479
He said on Thursday night
that...

619
00:30:15.613 --> 00:30:18.492
[EXHALING]

620
00:30:18.516 --> 00:30:21.553
everything Hannah
had told us was true.

621
00:30:22.787 --> 00:30:25.156
It just broke my heart.

622
00:30:29.327 --> 00:30:32.106
So, you know,
'cause Hannah had told us

623
00:30:32.130 --> 00:30:34.699
they were abusing her,
whipping her with a belt...

624
00:30:37.001 --> 00:30:39.246
When he told me that,
I was just like,

625
00:30:39.270 --> 00:30:41.206
Oh, my God!

626
00:30:44.042 --> 00:30:47.454
BRITTINI: No one besides
that family knows

627
00:30:47.478 --> 00:30:49.514
exactly what happened
in that house.

628
00:30:50.715 --> 00:30:53.527
We all know them
from outside the house

629
00:30:53.551 --> 00:30:55.196
you know, we know them
from the gaming world,

630
00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.798
we know them from past
work experience with them,

631
00:30:57.822 --> 00:31:01.202
we don't know what happened
behind those closed doors.

632
00:31:01.226 --> 00:31:03.428
We just know
what they wanted us to see.

633
00:31:04.863 --> 00:31:07.641
OCTAVIO: All the people
that knew Jennifer and Sarah

634
00:31:07.665 --> 00:31:09.610
through these
kind of online contacts

635
00:31:09.634 --> 00:31:11.779
were these very brief
encounters at festivals,

636
00:31:11.803 --> 00:31:13.447
they obviously were not
in a position

637
00:31:13.471 --> 00:31:15.473
to really know
what was actually happening.

638
00:31:16.541 --> 00:31:18.719
Jen and Sarah
lived the kind of lives

639
00:31:18.743 --> 00:31:22.547
that made it easy for them to hide
their behaviors inside the house.

640
00:31:34.158 --> 00:31:38.639
In the early morning hours, I
believe it was just prior to 3am,

641
00:31:38.663 --> 00:31:41.141
Sarah began texting
three of her co-workers.

642
00:31:41.165 --> 00:31:42.543
One of those texts
to the friend was,

643
00:31:42.567 --> 00:31:44.411
"Hey, I need you
to open the store, I'm sick."

644
00:31:44.435 --> 00:31:47.748
Some of the others were indicating
that she needed to go to the hospital.

645
00:31:47.772 --> 00:31:50.417
Jen was, you know,
gaming at least

646
00:31:50.441 --> 00:31:54.488
an hour or two a day,
on average.

647
00:31:54.512 --> 00:31:57.858
So when she didn't respond to us

648
00:31:57.882 --> 00:31:59.760
within a 24-hour period

649
00:31:59.784 --> 00:32:01.729
you know, we got worried.

650
00:32:01.753 --> 00:32:04.732
But then she said
that she had a family emergency

651
00:32:04.756 --> 00:32:07.668
and asked one of us
to take over.

652
00:32:07.692 --> 00:32:14.275
And then her actual last three
letters she typed were FML.

653
00:32:14.299 --> 00:32:17.835
FML means "fuck my life."

654
00:32:21.306 --> 00:32:23.107
She disappeared.

655
00:32:24.309 --> 00:32:27.454
The last thing
that she wrote to me was,

656
00:32:27.478 --> 00:32:30.291
"I am trying so hard
to take my own advice today

657
00:32:30.315 --> 00:32:33.360
trying to look into the eyes
of my wife and children

658
00:32:33.384 --> 00:32:37.097
and tell them I'm never
gonna give up on them.

659
00:32:37.121 --> 00:32:39.800
I am trying to remind myself
of all the good in the world,

660
00:32:39.824 --> 00:32:43.103
trying to believe that everything
I've fought for my entire life

661
00:32:43.127 --> 00:32:47.241
didn't just get buried in a
pile of hate-filled ignorance.

662
00:32:47.265 --> 00:32:50.311
Trying to allow myself to
feel all the fucked-up feelings

663
00:32:50.335 --> 00:32:52.046
that are circling
through my weary body,

664
00:32:52.070 --> 00:32:53.714
because it's okay to feel rage,

665
00:32:53.738 --> 00:32:55.883
disgust and deep sadness.

666
00:32:55.907 --> 00:32:58.819
And it's okay to be fueled
a vast array of emotions

667
00:32:58.843 --> 00:33:00.754
and not just love.

668
00:33:00.778 --> 00:33:03.858
And now I need to breathe and figure
out how to act and that's the hard part."

669
00:33:07.986 --> 00:33:10.998
MALE REPORTER: Neighbors last
reported seeing the Harts at their home

670
00:33:11.022 --> 00:33:12.766
on Friday, March 23rd.

671
00:33:12.790 --> 00:33:14.401
So, exhibit 10 is

672
00:33:14.425 --> 00:33:17.004
the actual GPS points
that we were able to download

673
00:33:17.028 --> 00:33:19.840
and put into
Google Earth Pro software.

674
00:33:19.864 --> 00:33:22.176
And what this is is an overview

675
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.311
from the Harts' home
in Woodland, Washington,

676
00:33:24.335 --> 00:33:26.246
all the way down to Fort Bragg.

677
00:33:26.270 --> 00:33:29.683
Once they left their house, every
place that we were able to track them to,

678
00:33:29.707 --> 00:33:31.518
they always used cash.

679
00:33:31.542 --> 00:33:33.854
The first digital evidence
that we came across

680
00:33:33.878 --> 00:33:36.347
that they were using
was a Safeway Club Card.

681
00:33:38.516 --> 00:33:41.428
WOMAN ON RADIO: There's an
overturned vehicle, 11:24

682
00:33:41.452 --> 00:33:44.622
unknown if it's just
occurred or it's been there...

683
00:33:45.289 --> 00:33:47.101
March 26th,

684
00:33:47.125 --> 00:33:51.038
um, I actually heard the
call come out over the radio.

685
00:33:51.062 --> 00:33:54.141
But at that time we thought
it was a fatal collision scene.

686
00:33:54.165 --> 00:33:56.043
The cause of the crash
remains a mystery right now,

687
00:33:56.067 --> 00:33:59.037
investigators have said the
weather was clear at the time.

688
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.357
FEMALE REPORTER: Authorities
say Jennifer and Sarah Hart

689
00:34:10.381 --> 00:34:11.725
along with their six children

690
00:34:11.749 --> 00:34:13.961
died when it plunged off a cliff

691
00:34:13.985 --> 00:34:17.221
along Northern California's
Pacific Coast Highway.

692
00:34:18.723 --> 00:34:21.001
We have the vehicle
going from 34% throttle

693
00:34:21.025 --> 00:34:22.970
to 100% throttle.

694
00:34:22.994 --> 00:34:25.630
And there's no subsequent
application of the brake.

695
00:34:26.597 --> 00:34:28.308
Once we get to Sarah's phone,

696
00:34:28.332 --> 00:34:30.310
one of the last searches
that she did

697
00:34:30.334 --> 00:34:32.146
was while they were traveling
through Oregon,

698
00:34:32.170 --> 00:34:34.748
"Is death by drowning
relatively painless?"

699
00:34:34.772 --> 00:34:36.984
"How long does it take
to die from hypothermia

700
00:34:37.008 --> 00:34:39.086
in water while drowning
in a car?"

701
00:34:39.110 --> 00:34:42.256
"What will happen
when overdosing with benadryl?"

702
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:43.690
Some of the witnesses
stated that

703
00:34:43.714 --> 00:34:45.826
they would typically
give the children benadryl

704
00:34:45.850 --> 00:34:47.227
on long drives,

705
00:34:47.251 --> 00:34:49.063
that they know
the effects of benadryl,

706
00:34:49.087 --> 00:34:50.497
and what it does
to the children.

707
00:34:50.521 --> 00:34:53.067
They exceeded the normal
therapeutic dosages.

708
00:34:53.091 --> 00:34:54.835
The children were
more than likely

709
00:34:54.859 --> 00:34:57.271
um, unconscious
or asleep at that point.

710
00:34:57.295 --> 00:35:00.441
The death certificates
for Jennifer and Sarah Hart

711
00:35:00.465 --> 00:35:03.410
will be listed as suicide.

712
00:35:03.434 --> 00:35:06.547
And the six children
who perished on that day,

713
00:35:06.571 --> 00:35:09.616
their death certainly,
as the jury ruled,

714
00:35:09.640 --> 00:35:12.920
was determined to be at the
hands of another other by accident

715
00:35:12.944 --> 00:35:16.023
and their death certificates
will list homicide

716
00:35:16.047 --> 00:35:17.615
as the manner of death.

717
00:35:20.985 --> 00:35:22.563
They didn't want
to tell me nothing,

718
00:35:22.587 --> 00:35:26.200
'cause I might flip out,
in the place I was.

719
00:35:26.224 --> 00:35:28.893
So, now that I found out,
you know,

720
00:35:29.961 --> 00:35:31.805
I'm really kind of hurt,

721
00:35:31.829 --> 00:35:33.498
but then again,

722
00:35:34.165 --> 00:35:36.376
I can't bring them back.

723
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.369
So, crying
ain't gonna bring them back.

724
00:35:39.103 --> 00:35:40.238
So...

725
00:35:42.073 --> 00:35:43.641
I'll take care of my son.

726
00:35:47.612 --> 00:35:49.380
Be a better father to him.

727
00:35:53.184 --> 00:35:55.095
Within an hour of finding out,

728
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:56.430
I was sitting in my desk

729
00:35:56.454 --> 00:35:58.132
and I was just sobbing.

730
00:35:58.156 --> 00:36:01.668
I couldn't even wrap
my head around it.

731
00:36:01.692 --> 00:36:04.095
I didn't know any
of the details yet. I just...

732
00:36:04.862 --> 00:36:06.473
All I knew was that

733
00:36:06.497 --> 00:36:09.943
the Harts, the entire
Hart tribe, was gone.

734
00:36:09.967 --> 00:36:13.871
But, at the same time, this
just like piercing grief of like...

735
00:36:15.173 --> 00:36:17.341
thinking about
all of those children.

736
00:36:19.043 --> 00:36:20.854
When the news broke, I...

737
00:36:20.878 --> 00:36:22.256
Gut told me it was them.

738
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:23.357
I just knew it was them.

739
00:36:23.381 --> 00:36:26.517
But, then the next morning,

740
00:36:27.552 --> 00:36:28.862
Tuesday morning,

741
00:36:28.886 --> 00:36:31.331
like at 7:00 in the morning,
our phone rings,

742
00:36:31.355 --> 00:36:33.834
and a reporter
had called and said,

743
00:36:33.858 --> 00:36:36.203
"Your neighbors
have been identified

744
00:36:36.227 --> 00:36:38.672
as being the people
in the crash."

745
00:36:38.696 --> 00:36:40.140
Which we didn't
answer the phone.

746
00:36:40.164 --> 00:36:41.508
He left us a message

747
00:36:41.532 --> 00:36:42.943
and wanted us to call back.

748
00:36:42.967 --> 00:36:44.278
But I was like, "Wow."

749
00:36:44.302 --> 00:36:46.571
I don't know what happened.

750
00:36:47.905 --> 00:36:50.517
The evidence
overwhelmingly suggests

751
00:36:50.541 --> 00:36:52.152
that last moment
was intentional.

752
00:36:52.176 --> 00:36:54.946
Um, which is, given the...

753
00:36:56.214 --> 00:36:58.625
undeniable...

754
00:36:58.649 --> 00:37:03.997
and overwhelming beauty
of that family of children,

755
00:37:04.021 --> 00:37:06.557
that decision is um...

756
00:37:07.491 --> 00:37:08.626
impossible.

757
00:37:09.660 --> 00:37:11.305
I just love them still.

758
00:37:11.329 --> 00:37:12.329
You know.

759
00:37:13.030 --> 00:37:14.030
If I...

760
00:37:16.067 --> 00:37:19.146
I just... I know it sounds really
weird and fucked up to say,

761
00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:21.572
but I would be like, "I have
your back," you know. [SNIFFS]

762
00:37:22.173 --> 00:37:23.717
And I know that

763
00:37:23.741 --> 00:37:26.061
that's the part that nobody
wants to hear, but it's like...

764
00:37:27.044 --> 00:37:29.389
I just feel like
I can feel their pain

765
00:37:29.413 --> 00:37:30.358
that they were in.

766
00:37:30.382 --> 00:37:32.893
And I feel so sad

767
00:37:32.917 --> 00:37:34.728
that somewhere along the line,

768
00:37:34.752 --> 00:37:36.997
someone missed something
or we just let them down.

769
00:37:37.021 --> 00:37:38.756
And so, I would just
let them know, like...

770
00:37:40.091 --> 00:37:42.402
yeah, I have their back and...

771
00:37:42.426 --> 00:37:44.438
And if they were here,
I would listen to their story,

772
00:37:44.462 --> 00:37:47.074
and if we could do it all over
again, I just would've helped 'em.

773
00:37:47.098 --> 00:37:50.534
[VOICE SHAKING] I, unfortunately,
think something horrible happened to 'em...

774
00:37:51.802 --> 00:37:54.105
first, and that's why they left.

775
00:37:55.473 --> 00:37:57.451
CHRISTOPHER: I don't know
what the internal turmoil was,

776
00:37:57.475 --> 00:38:00.711
and desperation
in different ways, and...

777
00:38:03.314 --> 00:38:05.092
I don't know. I guess...

778
00:38:05.116 --> 00:38:08.152
things can get hard, and
desperate, and people make...

779
00:38:09.220 --> 00:38:10.220
people make...

780
00:38:11.122 --> 00:38:13.891
extreme, rash decisions. And...

781
00:38:15.993 --> 00:38:18.071
I don't...
I do not understand it.

782
00:38:18.095 --> 00:38:19.664
There's no understanding it.
I don't...

783
00:38:22.099 --> 00:38:26.146
JAKE: It was extremely
comprehensive, large case.

784
00:38:26.170 --> 00:38:28.615
It involved
11 different agencies

785
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.384
from across the nation.

786
00:38:30.408 --> 00:38:34.321
It involved ten departments
within the California Highway Patrol.

787
00:38:34.345 --> 00:38:35.555
They would include,

788
00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:38.258
our Investigative
Services department.

789
00:38:38.282 --> 00:38:40.661
Our Computer Crime Lab
also assisted,

790
00:38:40.685 --> 00:38:43.630
in the determination
and downloads of cellphones.

791
00:38:43.654 --> 00:38:46.266
We reached out
to several allied agencies,

792
00:38:46.290 --> 00:38:48.468
like the Sacramento
High Tech Crime Unit,

793
00:38:48.492 --> 00:38:49.836
the FBI,

794
00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:51.605
Mendocino County
Sheriff's office,

795
00:38:51.629 --> 00:38:53.273
Clark County Sheriff's Office.

796
00:38:53.297 --> 00:38:55.309
We've reached out as far as

797
00:38:55.333 --> 00:38:57.444
the Saint Paul, Minnesota,
Police Department,

798
00:38:57.468 --> 00:38:59.112
to help us
in tracking down a cell phone

799
00:38:59.136 --> 00:39:01.448
that we were
actively trying to pin down.

800
00:39:01.472 --> 00:39:03.517
Our case even
took us up to the point

801
00:39:03.541 --> 00:39:05.085
of interviewing witnesses

802
00:39:05.109 --> 00:39:07.020
outside of home, or Alaska.

803
00:39:07.044 --> 00:39:08.922
By no means

804
00:39:08.946 --> 00:39:11.591
was this a case
that we took lightly.

805
00:39:11.615 --> 00:39:12.883
[SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING]

806
00:39:15.686 --> 00:39:17.297
SHONDA: It's very touching...

807
00:39:17.321 --> 00:39:19.433
[SIGHS] I'm sorry.

808
00:39:19.457 --> 00:39:22.669
And the reason why
it's touching, is because...

809
00:39:22.693 --> 00:39:25.262
it just seems like
the children from...

810
00:39:26.464 --> 00:39:27.607
kind of like,
from the beginning,

811
00:39:27.631 --> 00:39:29.509
didn't stand a chance, really.

812
00:39:29.533 --> 00:39:31.044
Because, like...
[CHUCKLES] I'm sorry.

813
00:39:31.068 --> 00:39:33.513
Because both parents,
like I said...

814
00:39:33.537 --> 00:39:35.873
[VOICE SHAKING]
they had their issues.

815
00:39:36.841 --> 00:39:39.577
I used to pray every night.

816
00:39:40.745 --> 00:39:42.823
Like, you know,
how you pray for somethin'

817
00:39:42.847 --> 00:39:45.216
and it don't happen,
so you start to believe...

818
00:39:46.650 --> 00:39:49.553
"Where's god?
Who is god?" You know.

819
00:39:51.021 --> 00:39:53.567
I wasn't really the prayer type.

820
00:39:53.591 --> 00:39:54.735
When I was young,

821
00:39:54.759 --> 00:39:56.460
I used to pray
to put us to sleep.

822
00:39:57.328 --> 00:39:58.396
You know, and...

823
00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:01.708
hoping something good
would happen

824
00:40:01.732 --> 00:40:03.134
later on in the future.

825
00:40:03.868 --> 00:40:05.245
It did, but...

826
00:40:05.269 --> 00:40:07.071
then tragedy happened again.

827
00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:12.085
JAKE: While driving around
on the Mendocino coast,

828
00:40:12.109 --> 00:40:15.756
they both decided that
this was going to be the end.

829
00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:19.659
That based on talking with
all their friends and witnesses,

830
00:40:19.683 --> 00:40:23.330
that if they
can't have their kids,

831
00:40:23.354 --> 00:40:25.489
that nobody was
gonna have those kids.

832
00:40:26.690 --> 00:40:27.834
The teachers knew,

833
00:40:27.858 --> 00:40:29.202
the neighbors knew,

834
00:40:29.226 --> 00:40:31.271
and now the children are dead.

835
00:40:31.295 --> 00:40:35.075
There was all this hate,
and it was so immense.

836
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.277
I mean, there were
these threads upon threads

837
00:40:37.301 --> 00:40:39.045
of people who had
never met them,

838
00:40:39.069 --> 00:40:42.082
who were talking about how
viciously disgusting they were.

839
00:40:42.106 --> 00:40:43.717
I mean,
I had people who were like,

840
00:40:43.741 --> 00:40:45.352
"Eat glass and die."

841
00:40:45.376 --> 00:40:48.088
All I was trying to do
was protect my friends,

842
00:40:48.112 --> 00:40:49.589
but that wasn't happening.

843
00:40:49.613 --> 00:40:51.057
There was all this like,

844
00:40:51.081 --> 00:40:52.592
we're afraid to talk about it.

845
00:40:52.616 --> 00:40:55.462
We're afraid to...
say how we feel,

846
00:40:55.486 --> 00:40:57.397
because we are
just immediately attacked.

847
00:40:57.421 --> 00:41:00.634
One of Jennifer's closest friends
is speaking out for the first time

848
00:41:00.658 --> 00:41:01.868
to our Gabrielle Karol,

849
00:41:01.892 --> 00:41:04.037
to help answer the question,

850
00:41:04.061 --> 00:41:05.739
"Who was Jennifer Hart?

851
00:41:05.763 --> 00:41:06.907
What do we know about her?"

852
00:41:06.931 --> 00:41:09.242
We weren't duped.
That love wasn't fake.

853
00:41:09.266 --> 00:41:10.277
They loved their children.

854
00:41:10.301 --> 00:41:11.778
They weren't white supremacists.

855
00:41:11.802 --> 00:41:15.582
They... they just were isolated.

856
00:41:15.606 --> 00:41:16.883
They were in pain.

857
00:41:16.907 --> 00:41:19.319
It's certainly not
the fault of the, you know,

858
00:41:19.343 --> 00:41:20.654
of an online game player,

859
00:41:20.678 --> 00:41:22.556
or a festival musician

860
00:41:22.580 --> 00:41:24.758
who knew their kids
for a couple of days

861
00:41:24.782 --> 00:41:26.927
to determine whether they're

862
00:41:26.951 --> 00:41:29.229
secretly abusing
their kids inside.

863
00:41:29.253 --> 00:41:30.253
[VOICE SHAKING] Myself...

864
00:41:31.288 --> 00:41:33.190
and everyone else who...

865
00:41:35.593 --> 00:41:38.929
shared our love publicly...

866
00:41:45.503 --> 00:41:48.748
we've been judged as though

867
00:41:48.772 --> 00:41:50.083
there was some precedent

868
00:41:50.107 --> 00:41:52.276
by which we were
supposed to behave.

869
00:41:53.544 --> 00:41:54.945
That there was some...

870
00:41:55.946 --> 00:41:57.357
better way to do it,

871
00:41:57.381 --> 00:42:00.050
some right way that...

872
00:42:01.552 --> 00:42:04.297
You know,
I realized, really quickly,

873
00:42:04.321 --> 00:42:06.624
that no matter what I said
or didn't say...

874
00:42:08.492 --> 00:42:12.506
there was no way I was
coming through this unscathed.

875
00:42:12.530 --> 00:42:14.441
We've had friends
basically tell us that

876
00:42:14.465 --> 00:42:15.876
they can't even
associate with us

877
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:17.711
because we defend
the Hart family.

878
00:42:17.735 --> 00:42:20.604
If our current dialog
is so extremist, and...

879
00:42:21.405 --> 00:42:23.316
and violent,

880
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.285
that we can't even
make space for that,

881
00:42:25.309 --> 00:42:27.020
we're really...

882
00:42:27.044 --> 00:42:28.889
We've lost our way completely.

883
00:42:28.913 --> 00:42:30.648
Festival friends of mine...

884
00:42:31.815 --> 00:42:34.895
um, so they were very accusatory

885
00:42:34.919 --> 00:42:37.364
in saying that
we were completely off-base,

886
00:42:37.388 --> 00:42:39.232
and that we should've
minded our own business.

887
00:42:39.256 --> 00:42:41.835
They called us
all kinds of names.

888
00:42:41.859 --> 00:42:45.896
Being nosy neighbors.
I was racist.

889
00:42:48.432 --> 00:42:49.876
ZIPPORAH:
One of our friends said,

890
00:42:49.900 --> 00:42:52.212
"Forgive me for not...

891
00:42:52.236 --> 00:42:54.738
assuming my friends
were murderers."

892
00:42:56.373 --> 00:42:59.920
Again, everyone being
so angry at us for speaking up.

893
00:42:59.944 --> 00:43:02.255
I wanna say like...

894
00:43:02.279 --> 00:43:05.115
Imagine. Try to put
yourself where we are.

895
00:43:05.950 --> 00:43:08.161
Ideologues scare me, you know.

896
00:43:08.185 --> 00:43:11.765
Ideologues scare me because in
the pursuit of that perfect, pure vision,

897
00:43:11.789 --> 00:43:13.266
they can be so extreme

898
00:43:13.290 --> 00:43:17.070
that they ignore all sense,
all common sense and precaution.

899
00:43:17.094 --> 00:43:19.105
People would attack.

900
00:43:19.129 --> 00:43:22.709
[VOICE SHAKING] And
at one point I even told 'em,

901
00:43:22.733 --> 00:43:28.439
"It's easy for you people
to sit here and accuse me, or...

902
00:43:30.574 --> 00:43:33.787
say that I should have...

903
00:43:33.811 --> 00:43:36.690
But, until you've
walked in my shoes,

904
00:43:36.714 --> 00:43:38.758
until you know who I am,

905
00:43:38.782 --> 00:43:40.560
you can't really...

906
00:43:40.584 --> 00:43:42.429
It's not fair to say."

907
00:43:42.453 --> 00:43:44.931
There's no evidence
that they're racist.

908
00:43:44.955 --> 00:43:48.735
And I don't see why, um...

909
00:43:48.759 --> 00:43:50.637
the number of stories
why they would,

910
00:43:50.661 --> 00:43:52.272
you know, make that up.

911
00:43:52.296 --> 00:43:54.975
They might not have interpreted
everything that happened,

912
00:43:54.999 --> 00:43:56.610
exactly what was going on,

913
00:43:56.634 --> 00:44:00.814
but they're certainly not
just fantasizing about that.

914
00:44:00.838 --> 00:44:02.248
I think there was
a huge tragedy.

915
00:44:02.272 --> 00:44:03.483
I think... I think all these...

916
00:44:03.507 --> 00:44:05.619
In the very beginning,
there was a huge anger

917
00:44:05.643 --> 00:44:08.121
that I did feel, though,
with the social media.

918
00:44:08.145 --> 00:44:10.423
There was a lot of
Black Lives Matter pages

919
00:44:10.447 --> 00:44:12.425
taking arms and being like,

920
00:44:12.449 --> 00:44:13.660
[IN HIGH-PITCHED VOICE]
"Told you so.

921
00:44:13.684 --> 00:44:15.128
These white crackers
should never adopt us."

922
00:44:15.152 --> 00:44:17.497
And I was like, hold on.

923
00:44:17.521 --> 00:44:18.432
You know what I mean?

924
00:44:18.456 --> 00:44:19.666
You can think whatever you want,

925
00:44:19.690 --> 00:44:21.568
but to exploit
the tragedy of these children

926
00:44:21.592 --> 00:44:26.139
to try and further your agenda
on this just...

927
00:44:26.163 --> 00:44:28.642
really just
frankly disgusting platform,

928
00:44:28.666 --> 00:44:30.243
which is Instagram,

929
00:44:30.267 --> 00:44:31.678
you know what I mean,
or Twitter,

930
00:44:31.702 --> 00:44:34.581
I just felt like it was,
you know,

931
00:44:34.605 --> 00:44:36.316
hashtag too soon, social media.

932
00:44:36.340 --> 00:44:39.853
And really just callous, and...

933
00:44:39.877 --> 00:44:41.521
just such propaganda.

934
00:44:41.545 --> 00:44:44.624
They were put under a
microscope in a way that

935
00:44:44.648 --> 00:44:47.418
I don't think anyone
deserves to be put under.

936
00:44:48.218 --> 00:44:49.720
I imagine that...

937
00:44:51.288 --> 00:44:55.201
Jen must've got
to a point where she just

938
00:44:55.225 --> 00:44:58.304
degenerated to, I guess,
some kind of insanity.

939
00:44:58.328 --> 00:45:01.675
Um, you know, exactly how
and when that happened,

940
00:45:01.699 --> 00:45:03.543
and to what... I don't know.

941
00:45:03.567 --> 00:45:06.646
But, I can't imagine
getting to the point where

942
00:45:06.670 --> 00:45:09.683
I mean, if you wanna kill
yourself, that's one thing.

943
00:45:09.707 --> 00:45:12.285
But, I don't see
why you'd need to

944
00:45:12.309 --> 00:45:13.820
take anyone else with you.

945
00:45:13.844 --> 00:45:15.221
This road trip
down to California

946
00:45:15.245 --> 00:45:17.691
was quite impulsive
and unplanned.

947
00:45:17.715 --> 00:45:19.526
It might be interpreted as

948
00:45:19.550 --> 00:45:21.728
kind of running away
from Child Protective Services

949
00:45:21.752 --> 00:45:24.731
who were kind of wrapping
up their investigation.

950
00:45:24.755 --> 00:45:26.366
So, this might be
a woman who feels like,

951
00:45:26.390 --> 00:45:29.536
"You know what, I'm about
to be found out by the world.

952
00:45:29.560 --> 00:45:31.838
I've had this
perfectly curated image.

953
00:45:31.862 --> 00:45:33.707
I spent so much of my time

954
00:45:33.731 --> 00:45:35.809
blogging about
and posting pictures about,

955
00:45:35.833 --> 00:45:40.080
and presenting this
particular image to the world.

956
00:45:40.104 --> 00:45:42.982
And now that's
in danger of crumbling."

957
00:45:43.006 --> 00:45:45.018
So, I'm not saying
that's what happened,

958
00:45:45.042 --> 00:45:47.220
but that is
a very plausible story to me.

959
00:45:47.244 --> 00:45:49.155
That someone feeling, like,
a bit desperate,

960
00:45:49.179 --> 00:45:50.356
their mask is
gonna be ripped off,

961
00:45:50.380 --> 00:45:51.591
and they'd rather die, frankly,

962
00:45:51.615 --> 00:45:53.927
than to be revealed
in front of everyone

963
00:45:53.951 --> 00:45:54.951
about what they are.

964
00:45:57.421 --> 00:46:00.100
Ultimately, I feel that,

965
00:46:00.124 --> 00:46:04.170
based on Sarah
and Jennifer's past history,

966
00:46:04.194 --> 00:46:08.374
the pattern that we see of
the alleged child abuse,

967
00:46:08.398 --> 00:46:12.545
and confrontations that they may
have received out of the community,

968
00:46:12.569 --> 00:46:14.714
that this was just another case

969
00:46:14.738 --> 00:46:16.883
where they would run.

970
00:46:16.907 --> 00:46:18.451
By the system being broken,

971
00:46:18.475 --> 00:46:21.888
it enabled them
to just keep hiding.

972
00:46:21.912 --> 00:46:25.892
Um, you know, when you have
allegations against you

973
00:46:25.916 --> 00:46:29.295
in Minnesota, multiple times,

974
00:46:29.319 --> 00:46:32.265
and then allowed
to adopt children

975
00:46:32.289 --> 00:46:34.968
even after
the first allegations,

976
00:46:34.992 --> 00:46:36.803
seems insane to me.

977
00:46:36.827 --> 00:46:40.406
But then, to be able to
move to Oregon,

978
00:46:40.430 --> 00:46:42.876
have allegations
against you there,

979
00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:44.878
and talk your way through that.

980
00:46:44.902 --> 00:46:46.880
Then to move to Washington,

981
00:46:46.904 --> 00:46:48.982
they get a report,

982
00:46:49.006 --> 00:46:51.651
but none of
the agencies connect.

983
00:46:51.675 --> 00:46:58.091
So, it just allowed them
to keep hiding their abuse,

984
00:46:58.115 --> 00:47:01.427
and no one be able
to connect the dots.

985
00:47:01.451 --> 00:47:04.798
And once the dots got connected,
we still ignored them.

986
00:47:04.822 --> 00:47:07.767
I believe that
they left their house

987
00:47:07.791 --> 00:47:09.903
not knowing exactly
what they're gonna do,

988
00:47:09.927 --> 00:47:12.472
and that they left
in a very hasty manner.

989
00:47:12.496 --> 00:47:14.574
Example of being,
knocking over those blocks,

990
00:47:14.598 --> 00:47:16.242
forgetting the luggage,

991
00:47:16.266 --> 00:47:17.944
not taking toothbrushes.

992
00:47:17.968 --> 00:47:20.980
I feel that they didn't know
what they were doing.

993
00:47:21.004 --> 00:47:22.916
Even though we know
Sarah's phone was

994
00:47:22.940 --> 00:47:26.085
searching those
types of question about death,

995
00:47:26.109 --> 00:47:31.191
and suicide, and how
drowning can be painful,

996
00:47:31.215 --> 00:47:34.527
I don't believe that they were
committed to that at that point.

997
00:47:34.551 --> 00:47:37.530
I think their ultimate goal was
to get to Mendocino County.

998
00:47:37.554 --> 00:47:39.666
And once they got here,

999
00:47:39.690 --> 00:47:43.636
paying for cash along the way for gas,
and items, and stuff that they'd received,

1000
00:47:43.660 --> 00:47:45.839
I still don't believe that,

1001
00:47:45.863 --> 00:47:47.974
even based on video footage

1002
00:47:47.998 --> 00:47:49.976
and items that they bought

1003
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.544
while at the Dollar General,

1004
00:47:51.568 --> 00:47:53.880
I don't believe
they committed at that point.

1005
00:47:53.904 --> 00:47:55.448
But, sometime after that,

1006
00:47:55.472 --> 00:47:58.017
while driving around
on the Mendocino Coast,

1007
00:47:58.041 --> 00:48:01.521
they both decided that
this was going to be the end.

1008
00:48:01.545 --> 00:48:03.990
I'm really grateful for

1009
00:48:04.014 --> 00:48:06.893
the law enforcement
taking their time to...

1010
00:48:06.917 --> 00:48:09.229
to come to this result
in this way,

1011
00:48:09.253 --> 00:48:12.756
where it was decided by a jury,
so that there was no...

1012
00:48:14.224 --> 00:48:15.969
real option for doubt.

1013
00:48:15.993 --> 00:48:20.130
And, although the conclusion is

1014
00:48:20.764 --> 00:48:22.742
the worst possible case,

1015
00:48:22.766 --> 00:48:25.102
at least we know what happened,

1016
00:48:26.837 --> 00:48:28.772
so we can stop arguing about it.

1017
00:48:30.374 --> 00:48:33.353
People need to be honest
about their pain,

1018
00:48:33.377 --> 00:48:35.021
and like let it out.

1019
00:48:35.045 --> 00:48:40.693
And, I feel like maybe they
lived in this silo of positivity.

1020
00:48:40.717 --> 00:48:42.695
So, it was really hard
to reach out for help.

1021
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:43.897
And it makes you feel bad.

1022
00:48:43.921 --> 00:48:45.031
Quit looking at it.

1023
00:48:45.055 --> 00:48:47.700
Because, people
only post perfect things.

1024
00:48:47.724 --> 00:48:50.870
They're not posting when they're
sitting home bored like you.

1025
00:48:50.894 --> 00:48:53.606
You know, and that's how
I feel like social media is...

1026
00:48:53.630 --> 00:48:56.943
It's crippling people.

1027
00:48:56.967 --> 00:49:00.446
We're losing
our social connection,

1028
00:49:00.470 --> 00:49:03.383
our innate need to be connected.

1029
00:49:03.407 --> 00:49:07.253
Um, and portraying life
to be better,

1030
00:49:07.277 --> 00:49:10.056
which I think, actually,
is just adding to depression.

1031
00:49:10.080 --> 00:49:11.891
I'm talking in
psychological terms now,

1032
00:49:11.915 --> 00:49:13.393
not necessarily
psychiatric terms.

1033
00:49:13.417 --> 00:49:15.094
And this goes back to Freud,

1034
00:49:15.118 --> 00:49:18.197
but the more you push away the
dark side and compartmentalize,

1035
00:49:18.221 --> 00:49:20.566
the those compartments
can grow independently,

1036
00:49:20.590 --> 00:49:22.235
and become monsters.

1037
00:49:22.259 --> 00:49:24.804
The goal of
a successful psychotherapy

1038
00:49:24.828 --> 00:49:27.206
is to integrate all the different
parts of your personality

1039
00:49:27.230 --> 00:49:28.608
into one coherent whole,

1040
00:49:28.632 --> 00:49:31.744
that could all peacefully
co-exist with one another.

1041
00:49:31.768 --> 00:49:37.116
I think that Jen felt a...

1042
00:49:37.140 --> 00:49:40.887
loss of whatever control
she imagined she had,

1043
00:49:40.911 --> 00:49:43.489
or tried to maintain.

1044
00:49:43.513 --> 00:49:45.725
Um, in a misguided...

1045
00:49:45.749 --> 00:49:48.561
In a misguided attempt
to protect the family,

1046
00:49:48.585 --> 00:49:51.588
I think she was trying
to be too controlling.

1047
00:49:52.456 --> 00:49:56.002
And, I feel like she

1048
00:49:56.026 --> 00:49:59.339
arrived at a place
where she genuinely

1049
00:49:59.363 --> 00:50:04.010
doubted they would ever be safe.

1050
00:50:04.034 --> 00:50:08.014
There's, um, I guess,
a balance of light and dark.

1051
00:50:08.038 --> 00:50:10.750
And, it doesn't
excuse what happened,

1052
00:50:10.774 --> 00:50:16.122
because those children
were completely innocent,

1053
00:50:16.146 --> 00:50:17.690
and just wanted love,

1054
00:50:17.714 --> 00:50:20.827
and acceptance,
and guidance in this world.

1055
00:50:20.851 --> 00:50:22.595
Devonte would've been
16 this year.

1056
00:50:22.619 --> 00:50:25.355
Jeremiah would've been 14,
shoulda been 13, this year.

1057
00:50:26.390 --> 00:50:28.368
You know, and...

1058
00:50:28.392 --> 00:50:32.005
really hard
to not have 'em around.

1059
00:50:32.029 --> 00:50:33.973
Know what I'm saying? 'Cause...

1060
00:50:33.997 --> 00:50:36.943
'Cause I see other kids,
other brothers,

1061
00:50:36.967 --> 00:50:40.380
play with their brothers,
I wish would've had my brothers.

1062
00:50:40.404 --> 00:50:43.206
CHRISTOPHER: Maybe Sarah and
Jen aren't who we thought they were.

1063
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.308
We should question it.

1064
00:50:46.543 --> 00:50:48.154
We should question everything.

1065
00:50:48.178 --> 00:50:49.722
But, then we should come back

1066
00:50:49.746 --> 00:50:50.723
to things we know.

1067
00:50:50.747 --> 00:50:51.958
And, the things we know are

1068
00:50:51.982 --> 00:50:53.693
there are facts
that lead us to believe

1069
00:50:53.717 --> 00:50:56.286
Jen and Sarah might not have
been who they were to us publicly.

1070
00:50:57.521 --> 00:50:58.998
But, the kids are.

1071
00:50:59.022 --> 00:51:00.900
The kids are exactly
who we thought they were.

1072
00:51:00.924 --> 00:51:04.337
And, that's why
the effect of that family

1073
00:51:04.361 --> 00:51:06.672
is so widespread
in our community,

1074
00:51:06.696 --> 00:51:08.741
and why this tragedy is so huge.

1075
00:51:08.765 --> 00:51:12.678
One, that we lost them.
And, two, that the story of it

1076
00:51:12.702 --> 00:51:13.937
removes what they meant.

1077
00:51:14.604 --> 00:51:15.982
That's two losses.

1078
00:51:16.006 --> 00:51:18.351
To have to lose them,
and to lose, like,

1079
00:51:18.375 --> 00:51:20.420
the ability to tell the story of

1080
00:51:20.444 --> 00:51:22.145
what authentically they meant.

1081
00:51:23.413 --> 00:51:27.760
I have no fear
or doubt in my mind

1082
00:51:27.784 --> 00:51:29.762
in saying that
about those children.

1083
00:51:29.786 --> 00:51:33.032
What they represented
was 100% authentic.

1084
00:51:33.056 --> 00:51:36.235
It wouldn't have had the effect
on people that it did if it weren't.

1085
00:51:36.259 --> 00:51:37.627
It's impossible.

1086
00:51:40.597 --> 00:51:42.942
[SINGERS HARMONIZING]

1087
00:51:42.966 --> 00:51:44.911
CHRISTOPHER: Let's come
in on that and let's land 'em.

1088
00:51:44.935 --> 00:51:46.336
[ALL HARMONIZING]

1089
00:51:47.304 --> 00:51:50.140
One, two, three.

1090
00:51:51.274 --> 00:51:54.111
ALL: [SINGING]
♪ Fighting

1091
00:51:57.914 --> 00:52:01.818
♪ Keep on fighting

1092
00:52:02.586 --> 00:52:03.586
♪ You

1093
00:52:06.590 --> 00:52:09.359
♪ Trying

1094
00:52:12.629 --> 00:52:17.134
♪ You gotta keep on trying

1095
00:52:17.667 --> 00:52:18.802
♪ We do

1096
00:52:21.238 --> 00:52:24.074
♪ Where did the light go?

1097
00:52:25.275 --> 00:52:28.888
♪ Darkness can take
A hold of me

1098
00:52:28.912 --> 00:52:31.414
♪ Where did the time go?

1099
00:52:32.682 --> 00:52:36.629
♪ I'm feeling so empty
On these streets

1100
00:52:36.653 --> 00:52:39.422
♪ Knowing what I know

1101
00:52:40.690 --> 00:52:44.303
♪ All of the lies
Are not concealed

1102
00:52:44.327 --> 00:52:47.006
♪ I know you had high hopes

1103
00:52:47.030 --> 00:52:50.333
♪ For these
All-forgotten dreams

1104
00:52:51.968 --> 00:52:55.172
♪ Where did the light go?

1105
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.576
♪ Hiding

1106
00:53:03.713 --> 00:53:07.284
♪ You keep on hiding

1107
00:53:08.218 --> 00:53:09.218
♪ The truth

1108
00:53:12.389 --> 00:53:15.268
♪ Why then

1109
00:53:15.292 --> 00:53:16.893
[PIANO NOTES PLAYING]

1110
00:53:19.129 --> 00:53:22.933
♪ You're still fighting

1111
00:53:23.500 --> 00:53:24.768
♪ Ain't you?

1112
00:53:27.237 --> 00:53:29.739
♪ Where did the light go?

1113
00:53:31.007 --> 00:53:34.987
♪ Darkness can take
A hold of me

1114
00:53:35.011 --> 00:53:37.447
♪ Where did the time go?

1115
00:53:38.648 --> 00:53:42.728
♪ I'm feeling so empty
On these streets

1116
00:53:42.752 --> 00:53:45.388
♪ Knowing what I know

1117
00:53:46.590 --> 00:53:50.303
♪ All of the lies
Are not concealed

1118
00:53:50.327 --> 00:53:53.139
♪ I know you had high hopes

1119
00:53:53.163 --> 00:53:56.233
♪ For these
All-forgotten dreams

1120
00:53:58.101 --> 00:54:01.438
♪ Where did the light go? ♪

1121
00:54:03.206 --> 00:54:06.052
[CHEERING AND LAUGHING]

1122
00:54:06.076 --> 00:54:09.479
♪ Where did the light go? ♪

1123
00:54:12.682 --> 00:54:14.284
[SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING]