WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:00.968 --> 00:00:02.103 All right, ladies. 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:02.136 --> 00:00:05.573 It's time to go in and have our voices heard. 4 00:00:05.606 --> 00:00:07.875 (crowd cheering) 5 00:00:07.908 --> 00:00:09.343 Together... 6 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 7 00:00:10.611 --> 00:00:12.546 we can take our country back! 8 00:00:40.040 --> 00:00:43.877 - Oh, my fleas are waking up. 9 00:00:50.884 --> 00:00:52.220 - Oxygen? 10 00:01:19.580 --> 00:01:22.216 This is my deathbed confession. 11 00:01:28.622 --> 00:01:29.690 Okay. 12 00:01:29.723 --> 00:01:31.325 - I want you to meet Jane Roe. 13 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.627 - Jane Roe. - Roe, Jane Roe... 14 00:01:33.661 --> 00:01:35.229 - As in Roe v. Wade. 15 00:01:35.263 --> 00:01:37.898 - Jane Roe's case changed the country. 16 00:01:37.931 --> 00:01:39.900 all: Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 17 00:01:39.933 --> 00:01:41.735 Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 18 00:01:41.769 --> 00:01:44.372 Pro-choice! Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 19 00:01:44.405 --> 00:01:45.739 - Under the name Jane Roe... 20 00:01:45.773 --> 00:01:48.609 - The anonymous plaintiff in the landmark Roe v. Wade 21 00:01:48.642 --> 00:01:49.810 abortion rights case... 22 00:01:49.843 --> 00:01:51.779 - Affirming a woman's right to choose... 23 00:01:51.812 --> 00:01:54.415 - Norma McCorvey... - Is by her own estimation 24 00:01:54.448 --> 00:01:57.751 perhaps the most famous cleaning woman in America. 25 00:01:57.785 --> 00:01:59.753 all: Pro-choice! Freedom is... 26 00:01:59.787 --> 00:02:01.489 Pro-choice! Freedom is... 27 00:02:01.522 --> 00:02:02.756 Pro-choice! Freedom is... 28 00:02:02.790 --> 00:02:04.057 Pro-choice! 29 00:02:04.091 --> 00:02:06.594 - Norma McCorvey became the embodiment 30 00:02:06.627 --> 00:02:08.262 of the pro-choice cause. 31 00:02:08.296 --> 00:02:11.665 - A perfect symbol of the movement. 32 00:02:11.699 --> 00:02:15.403 - Norma, why are you doing this? 33 00:02:15.436 --> 00:02:17.271 - Jane Roe's story was a terrible one... 34 00:02:17.305 --> 00:02:19.907 - Unmarried, pregnant, and dirt poor.. 35 00:02:19.940 --> 00:02:22.443 - A drug addict and dealer, an alcoholic. 36 00:02:22.476 --> 00:02:23.911 She had dabbled in the occult. 37 00:02:23.944 --> 00:02:26.146 - Norma, you've allowed the killing 38 00:02:26.180 --> 00:02:28.015 of over 35 million children. 39 00:02:30.284 --> 00:02:33.754 - Abortion, one of the most divisive issues of the decade. 40 00:02:33.787 --> 00:02:35.456 - Few issues in America have generated 41 00:02:35.489 --> 00:02:38.058 such strong feelings for and against. 42 00:02:38.091 --> 00:02:39.460 - Either a cherished freedom... 43 00:02:40.494 --> 00:02:42.996 Or a hated target. 44 00:02:45.799 --> 00:02:47.468 - The furious battle that rages 45 00:02:47.501 --> 00:02:49.803 around all that her name has stood for. 46 00:02:52.005 --> 00:02:55.976 - Then, in the spring of 1995, the unbelievable happened. 47 00:02:56.009 --> 00:02:57.311 - An extraordinary development today 48 00:02:57.345 --> 00:02:58.646 in the politics of abortion. 49 00:02:58.679 --> 00:03:00.814 - McCorvey did something that will shock people 50 00:03:00.848 --> 00:03:02.483 on both sides of the debate. 51 00:03:02.516 --> 00:03:05.986 - How did it get that bad? Explain that. 52 00:03:06.019 --> 00:03:09.790 - You couldn't have come further, could you? 53 00:03:11.359 --> 00:03:13.527 - Ms. McCorvey, what happened? 54 00:03:46.059 --> 00:03:50.731 - I'm just reading that sign over there. 55 00:03:50.764 --> 00:03:53.567 "No boats or floats, no glass containers, 56 00:03:53.601 --> 00:03:56.870 no wading or swimming, but enjoy your stay here." 57 00:03:58.772 --> 00:04:01.875 Commissioner in precinct number three, 58 00:04:01.909 --> 00:04:04.077 well, he's an asshole. 59 00:04:04.111 --> 00:04:07.548 "But outside that, you know, enjoy our park." 60 00:04:09.617 --> 00:04:12.085 Everything's got so many damn rules. 61 00:04:12.119 --> 00:04:13.854 I think they suck. 62 00:04:16.056 --> 00:04:18.392 I learned straight-on 63 00:04:18.426 --> 00:04:20.494 that if you're nice and quiet and polite, 64 00:04:20.528 --> 00:04:24.598 nobody pays any attention to you, and I like attention. 65 00:04:24.632 --> 00:04:26.867 "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow 66 00:04:26.900 --> 00:04:29.303 "creeps in its petty pace from day to day 67 00:04:29.337 --> 00:04:31.905 "to the last syllable of record time. 68 00:04:31.939 --> 00:04:34.542 "Ah, but what is life but an act upon the stage 69 00:04:34.575 --> 00:04:36.577 signifying nothing?" 70 00:04:36.610 --> 00:04:37.745 - What's that? 71 00:04:37.778 --> 00:04:41.582 - Third act, "Macbeth," Shakespeare. 72 00:04:41.615 --> 00:04:42.750 - Why do you like that bit? 73 00:04:42.783 --> 00:04:45.453 - You know, Macbeth was just a cool guy. 74 00:04:47.655 --> 00:04:49.857 Here you go, baby. 75 00:04:51.725 --> 00:04:53.494 - What did you want to be when you were young? 76 00:04:53.527 --> 00:04:55.763 - When I was young? A movie star. 77 00:04:55.796 --> 00:04:58.165 They went to all these glamorous places, 78 00:04:58.198 --> 00:05:00.033 and they got to fly on airplanes 79 00:05:00.067 --> 00:05:04.271 and smoke cigarettes out of those long cigarette holders. 80 00:05:04.304 --> 00:05:07.508 I mean, it just looked like such fun. 81 00:05:09.943 --> 00:05:12.646 - Do you miss your family? 82 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.649 - You know, you can't miss anything you never had. 83 00:05:19.487 --> 00:05:22.456 I came from a very rough childhood. 84 00:05:24.958 --> 00:05:27.761 We were poor. 85 00:05:27.795 --> 00:05:31.164 It wasn't a happy time at all. 86 00:05:31.198 --> 00:05:33.467 It was always survival. 87 00:05:35.268 --> 00:05:37.438 My mom, 88 00:05:37.471 --> 00:05:40.073 she was a bitch. 89 00:05:40.107 --> 00:05:44.311 You know, she was just a two-faced bitch. 90 00:05:44.344 --> 00:05:46.847 She didn't want to have a second child, me. 91 00:05:48.649 --> 00:05:52.319 It's just that simple. 92 00:05:52.352 --> 00:05:55.322 She was a drunk. 93 00:05:55.355 --> 00:05:57.625 She'd got a taste of the party life, 94 00:05:57.658 --> 00:05:59.493 and she didn't want to let go. 95 00:06:02.896 --> 00:06:06.033 My dad just got through with it. 96 00:06:06.066 --> 00:06:09.437 He packed up his truck and took off. 97 00:06:14.074 --> 00:06:16.143 Once she started drinking, I really didn't want 98 00:06:16.176 --> 00:06:19.346 to be around her. 99 00:06:19.379 --> 00:06:22.416 She'd get up, and she'd slap me. 100 00:06:24.718 --> 00:06:28.689 It would make me feel insignificant 101 00:06:28.722 --> 00:06:31.592 and worthless. 102 00:06:34.728 --> 00:06:36.864 And so I asked my friend Rita, 103 00:06:36.897 --> 00:06:39.900 "Do you want to run away with me?" 104 00:06:39.933 --> 00:06:43.704 She said, "Well, where would we run away to?" 105 00:06:43.737 --> 00:06:47.441 And I said, "Oklahoma City." 106 00:06:49.810 --> 00:06:53.581 To get to Oklahoma City, we had to rob the gas station. 107 00:06:55.949 --> 00:06:59.386 I was 10 or 11. 108 00:06:59.419 --> 00:07:02.255 I went over there and opened the drawer up real quietly. 109 00:07:02.289 --> 00:07:05.926 I stuck my hand in the drawer, and I got all the money out, 110 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.729 and I thought, "God, I feel bad." 111 00:07:10.864 --> 00:07:15.603 The only hotel we could find was called the Black Hotel. 112 00:07:18.338 --> 00:07:22.576 The maid walked in on us and caught us kissing, 113 00:07:22.610 --> 00:07:25.178 Rita and I kissing. 114 00:07:25.212 --> 00:07:27.681 She called the police on us. 115 00:07:29.917 --> 00:07:35.255 Anytime you do anything out of the mainframe of society, 116 00:07:35.288 --> 00:07:37.558 it's considered dirty. 117 00:07:37.591 --> 00:07:40.594 - She ran away with another girl 118 00:07:40.628 --> 00:07:42.930 and was arrested, 119 00:07:42.963 --> 00:07:46.233 basically, in the Oklahoma City hotel room 120 00:07:46.266 --> 00:07:48.001 where they'd scammed their way in. 121 00:07:51.138 --> 00:07:55.275 By and by, a police detective came by, 122 00:07:55.308 --> 00:07:57.010 took Norma aside, 123 00:07:57.044 --> 00:08:00.113 told her she was in big trouble, 124 00:08:00.147 --> 00:08:03.383 and asked her if she had committed sodomy, 125 00:08:03.416 --> 00:08:06.319 so she said no, 126 00:08:06.353 --> 00:08:08.121 and then she turned to him and said, 127 00:08:08.155 --> 00:08:13.226 "Are you asking whether I put my hand in her underpants? 128 00:08:13.260 --> 00:08:15.529 Yeah, I did that." 129 00:08:19.867 --> 00:08:21.301 - Eventually, they sent me 130 00:08:21.334 --> 00:08:24.772 to Gainesville State School for Girls. 131 00:08:24.805 --> 00:08:26.774 It's a reform school. 132 00:08:26.807 --> 00:08:29.042 You go there to get reformed 133 00:08:29.076 --> 00:08:32.179 if you've been bad. 134 00:08:34.615 --> 00:08:36.149 I was, like, so young. 135 00:08:36.183 --> 00:08:38.351 I was sentenced at ten years old, 136 00:08:38.385 --> 00:08:41.354 and I resented it a great deal, 137 00:08:41.388 --> 00:08:44.692 but once I got there and I saw 138 00:08:44.725 --> 00:08:47.160 that it wasn't a dungeon, 139 00:08:47.194 --> 00:08:50.631 it was okay. 140 00:08:50.664 --> 00:08:53.533 Gainesville was a trip... 141 00:08:53.567 --> 00:08:55.669 It's wall-to-wall women. 142 00:08:58.205 --> 00:09:02.009 My God, I never saw so many boobs in my life... 143 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:09.683 Tons of girlfriends. 144 00:09:09.717 --> 00:09:12.052 I stayed there till I was 15. 145 00:09:14.655 --> 00:09:16.523 - Just after she'd come back from reform school, 146 00:09:16.556 --> 00:09:18.626 she was farmed out 147 00:09:18.659 --> 00:09:21.662 to live with somebody who had an extra room. 148 00:09:25.198 --> 00:09:28.969 - A relative. 149 00:09:29.002 --> 00:09:34.407 - And she was sexually abused by that--that man. 150 00:09:39.446 --> 00:09:42.482 - I was just a kid. 151 00:09:45.118 --> 00:09:46.887 It was extremely hard for me to tell my mom 152 00:09:46.920 --> 00:09:50.023 what he was doing to me. 153 00:09:50.057 --> 00:09:53.927 - It completely messed up her feelings 154 00:09:53.961 --> 00:09:56.029 about love and acceptance. 155 00:09:56.063 --> 00:10:00.500 - I felt like I was out in the cold. 156 00:10:00.533 --> 00:10:02.870 - There were many instances in her early life 157 00:10:02.903 --> 00:10:06.106 where she really was seriously exploited 158 00:10:06.139 --> 00:10:08.508 and harmed and abused, 159 00:10:08.541 --> 00:10:11.378 so I think she became used to that idea. 160 00:10:11.411 --> 00:10:14.414 That sort of became her identity in a way, 161 00:10:14.447 --> 00:10:17.084 and she never went and got really help 162 00:10:17.117 --> 00:10:19.086 to deal with the abuses. 163 00:10:19.119 --> 00:10:22.723 You know, those don't go away. 164 00:10:39.506 --> 00:10:43.110 - This is my room at the nursing home. 165 00:10:43.143 --> 00:10:45.612 That's a picture of Jesus. 166 00:10:45.645 --> 00:10:47.480 He's my boyfriend. 167 00:10:49.649 --> 00:10:53.120 This reminds me of the pyramids of Egypt, 168 00:10:53.153 --> 00:10:55.989 and then this is a little number 169 00:10:56.023 --> 00:10:58.125 that I picked up at a flea market. 170 00:10:58.158 --> 00:11:00.794 I'm a very glamorous person. 171 00:11:00.828 --> 00:11:03.764 I can't help it. It's a gift. 172 00:11:03.797 --> 00:11:06.700 These are my house shoes that my daughter brought me. 173 00:11:06.734 --> 00:11:08.335 - They're quite femme. 174 00:11:08.368 --> 00:11:10.637 - Yeah, I guess they are. 175 00:11:10.670 --> 00:11:15.442 I would consider myself more butch than I would femme. 176 00:11:15.475 --> 00:11:20.080 Reason beings--well, I can't tell you the reason. 177 00:11:21.915 --> 00:11:25.753 I spend most of my days now coloring. 178 00:11:25.786 --> 00:11:28.856 I try to keep away from people. 179 00:11:28.889 --> 00:11:33.526 I was here five months before they even got a handle on me, 180 00:11:33.560 --> 00:11:38.265 and I was very happy just being Norma McCorvey, 181 00:11:38.298 --> 00:11:40.500 but now that they know that I'm Jane Roe, 182 00:11:40.533 --> 00:11:43.503 or AKA Jane Roe, 183 00:11:43.536 --> 00:11:46.974 um...I feel as though they look at me differently. 184 00:11:53.713 --> 00:11:55.682 It was 1969. 185 00:11:57.717 --> 00:12:00.888 I was pregnant for the second time out of wedlock. 186 00:12:03.356 --> 00:12:06.894 I was a street person, 187 00:12:06.927 --> 00:12:09.196 a drug addict. 188 00:12:09.229 --> 00:12:11.731 I was a drunk. 189 00:12:11.765 --> 00:12:15.602 I had told the doctor that I had been raped. 190 00:12:15.635 --> 00:12:18.705 That's why I wanted to have an abortion. 191 00:12:20.407 --> 00:12:24.845 "Norma," he says, "Tell me about the rape," 192 00:12:24.878 --> 00:12:27.414 and he asked me a series of questions like, 193 00:12:27.447 --> 00:12:30.984 "Well, the man who raped you, was he black?" 194 00:12:31.018 --> 00:12:33.787 What difference does it make? 195 00:12:33.821 --> 00:12:36.256 I was raped, period. 196 00:12:38.358 --> 00:12:41.995 I went to the illegal underground abortion doctor 197 00:12:42.029 --> 00:12:45.398 in an old, rundown part of Dallas. 198 00:12:46.566 --> 00:12:50.603 It was filth and cockroaches. 199 00:12:50.637 --> 00:12:53.140 I was scared. 200 00:12:53.173 --> 00:12:56.944 A lot of women didn't make it out. 201 00:12:56.977 --> 00:12:59.079 They would bleed to death. 202 00:13:02.782 --> 00:13:05.618 I got out while I could. 203 00:13:09.656 --> 00:13:12.559 I went to an adoption attorney, 204 00:13:12.592 --> 00:13:14.561 and then he told me about these two attorneys, 205 00:13:14.594 --> 00:13:16.930 Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, 206 00:13:16.964 --> 00:13:20.633 who had just recently graduated law school, 207 00:13:20.667 --> 00:13:22.469 and they were looking for a plaintiff 208 00:13:22.502 --> 00:13:26.473 to help them overturn the Texas abortion laws. 209 00:13:26.506 --> 00:13:29.542 - They needed a poor woman who could not afford 210 00:13:29.576 --> 00:13:33.446 to travel to one of the states where abortion was legal. 211 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.483 She was the person who really fit all the criterion 212 00:13:36.516 --> 00:13:38.718 that they needed. 213 00:13:38.751 --> 00:13:40.320 - Sarah says, "Do you think that women 214 00:13:40.353 --> 00:13:42.622 should have the right to control their own bodies?" 215 00:13:46.693 --> 00:13:49.662 I know how I felt 216 00:13:49.696 --> 00:13:51.831 when I found out that I was pregnant. 217 00:13:56.669 --> 00:13:59.506 And I wasn't gonna let 218 00:13:59.539 --> 00:14:02.009 another woman feel that way, 219 00:14:02.042 --> 00:14:05.678 not cheap, dirty, and no-good. 220 00:14:05.712 --> 00:14:07.680 Women make mistakes, 221 00:14:07.714 --> 00:14:12.319 and they make mistakes with men, and things happen, 222 00:14:12.352 --> 00:14:14.854 so it's just-- 223 00:14:14.888 --> 00:14:18.091 it's just Mother Nature at work, you know? 224 00:14:18.125 --> 00:14:21.694 And you can't-- 225 00:14:21.728 --> 00:14:24.197 you can't stop it. 226 00:14:24.231 --> 00:14:26.699 You can't explain it. 227 00:14:26.733 --> 00:14:28.835 It's just something that happens. 228 00:14:36.509 --> 00:14:40.247 I signed the affidavit that brought Roe versus Wade 229 00:14:40.280 --> 00:14:44.584 into being March of 1970. 230 00:14:45.785 --> 00:14:49.256 - We'll hear arguments for Roe against Wade. 231 00:15:22.089 --> 00:15:23.123 Thank you. 232 00:16:18.178 --> 00:16:20.213 - We do not ask this court 233 00:16:20.247 --> 00:16:23.250 to rule that abortion is good or desirable. 234 00:16:23.283 --> 00:16:25.952 We are here to advocate that the decision 235 00:16:25.985 --> 00:16:28.388 as to whether or not a particular woman 236 00:16:28.421 --> 00:16:31.458 will continue to carry or will terminate a pregnancy 237 00:16:31.491 --> 00:16:35.328 is a decision that should be made by that individual. 238 00:16:46.406 --> 00:16:48.275 - Good evening. In a landmark ruling, 239 00:16:48.308 --> 00:16:52.145 the Supreme Court today legalized abortion. 240 00:16:52.179 --> 00:16:55.215 The majority had said that the decision to end a pregnancy 241 00:16:55.248 --> 00:16:59.018 belongs to the woman and her doctor, not the government. 242 00:17:01.421 --> 00:17:03.356 - What the court decided was that women 243 00:17:03.390 --> 00:17:05.958 all over the country in every state 244 00:17:05.992 --> 00:17:10.397 would have the right to choose abortion 245 00:17:10.430 --> 00:17:12.499 and that in the first trimester 246 00:17:12.532 --> 00:17:14.801 the state could not interfere. 247 00:17:16.703 --> 00:17:19.206 - I read about the decision in the paper 248 00:17:19.239 --> 00:17:22.275 like mostly everybody else did. 249 00:17:24.544 --> 00:17:27.114 My phone rang. 250 00:17:27.147 --> 00:17:29.282 It was Sarah, 251 00:17:29.316 --> 00:17:32.419 and she said, "We won," 252 00:17:32.452 --> 00:17:36.923 and I said, "No, Sarah, you won." 253 00:17:36.956 --> 00:17:39.159 She says, "Well, I thought that maybe 254 00:17:39.192 --> 00:17:41.328 you would be excited." 255 00:17:41.361 --> 00:17:44.131 And I said, "Why would I be excited? 256 00:17:44.164 --> 00:17:49.102 "I had a baby, but I gave her away. 257 00:17:49.136 --> 00:17:52.805 It's for all the women to come after me." 258 00:18:06.286 --> 00:18:09.522 - Okay, we're off to the abortion mill. 259 00:18:09.556 --> 00:18:12.192 They've been killing babies for a long, long time. 260 00:18:12.225 --> 00:18:16.062 - What was it that spurred you to become an activist? 261 00:18:16.095 --> 00:18:18.265 - I'm not an activist. I'm a Christian. 262 00:18:18.298 --> 00:18:21.067 Now, I was an activist when I was protesting 263 00:18:21.100 --> 00:18:23.170 the Vietnam War, when we were out there, 264 00:18:23.203 --> 00:18:27.640 "One, two, three, four, we don't want your effing war." 265 00:18:29.142 --> 00:18:31.110 I owned a saloon called the Mad Hatter 266 00:18:31.144 --> 00:18:32.579 down in Kissimmee, Florida. 267 00:18:32.612 --> 00:18:35.782 I was just a drunken, alcoholic buffoon 268 00:18:35.815 --> 00:18:38.718 who was absolutely pro-death. 269 00:18:38.751 --> 00:18:42.755 I wanted--I was--I wanted women to be able to have an abortion, 270 00:18:42.789 --> 00:18:44.891 because, you know, well, what easier way? 271 00:18:44.924 --> 00:18:46.959 You get a girl pregnant, you just--you don't have to 272 00:18:46.993 --> 00:18:49.061 send her, you know, to Puerto Rico. 273 00:18:49.095 --> 00:18:50.730 You can just go down to the local abortion mill, 274 00:18:50.763 --> 00:18:51.964 get it taken care of, and that's it. 275 00:18:51.998 --> 00:18:55.268 That's where I was; that's who I was. 276 00:18:57.637 --> 00:19:01.274 I wanted to abort my twin boys when my--when I found out 277 00:19:01.308 --> 00:19:04.311 my wife was pregnant with-- with the boys. 278 00:19:04.344 --> 00:19:06.279 I wanted to abort them. 279 00:19:06.313 --> 00:19:08.581 That was--that's the way 280 00:19:08.615 --> 00:19:12.985 that we dealt with things before I met Jesus. 281 00:19:15.121 --> 00:19:20.159 I came to the realization that abortion was murder. 282 00:19:20.193 --> 00:19:22.962 If you say that abortion is murder, 283 00:19:22.995 --> 00:19:26.633 you need to act like it's murder. 284 00:19:32.405 --> 00:19:36.108 Want me to introduce you to these guys? 285 00:19:36.142 --> 00:19:38.311 Here's Colin. He escaped. 286 00:19:38.345 --> 00:19:41.314 That--this guy-- 287 00:19:41.348 --> 00:19:43.583 this guy is Malachi. 288 00:19:43.616 --> 00:19:44.851 We named him Malachi, 289 00:19:44.884 --> 00:19:48.421 and this has been an eloquent voice 290 00:19:48.455 --> 00:19:49.689 for little baby boys and girls 291 00:19:49.722 --> 00:19:52.058 and for mamas to change their mind, 292 00:19:52.091 --> 00:19:53.726 to realize what they're really doing. 293 00:20:02.569 --> 00:20:05.672 Ma'am, please, there is a God in heaven, 294 00:20:05.705 --> 00:20:07.340 and he's calling to you today. 295 00:20:07.374 --> 00:20:09.075 Don't walk in that door. 296 00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:13.580 I can tell you exactly what's gonna happen today. 297 00:20:14.714 --> 00:20:18.117 - Somebody is going to die here today. 298 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:21.454 The question is, who will that somebody be? 299 00:20:24.824 --> 00:20:28.027 You can do all you want to try and cover up and hide the sound 300 00:20:28.060 --> 00:20:29.629 and not give moms a choice. 301 00:20:29.662 --> 00:20:31.664 You go ahead and do that. 302 00:20:31.698 --> 00:20:33.733 - But it's not gonna work. 303 00:20:33.766 --> 00:20:37.036 They're doing everything they can to shut us up, 304 00:20:37.069 --> 00:20:38.871 to drown us out. 305 00:20:38.905 --> 00:20:41.574 They try so hard to cover up the truth 306 00:20:41.608 --> 00:20:43.242 that will set you free. 307 00:20:47.414 --> 00:20:49.516 I'd spent time in jail, 308 00:20:49.549 --> 00:20:53.586 but I have spent many more days and weeks and months in jail 309 00:20:53.620 --> 00:20:57.457 after knowing Jesus than I did before I met Him. 310 00:21:01.761 --> 00:21:03.563 - Reverend Flip Benham is currently serving 311 00:21:03.596 --> 00:21:05.264 a 90-day sentence for trespassing 312 00:21:05.298 --> 00:21:07.066 in an abortion clinic. 313 00:21:07.099 --> 00:21:10.136 - Flip Benham terrorized, really, 314 00:21:10.169 --> 00:21:12.872 many clinics all over the country, including ours. 315 00:21:12.905 --> 00:21:16.543 - Chief! Chief, arrest us! 316 00:21:16.576 --> 00:21:19.746 - He was a constant harasser, 317 00:21:19.779 --> 00:21:24.116 that sort of unctuous, sort of suave, you know, 318 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:27.554 "I'm the savior of the anti-abortion movement." 319 00:21:27.587 --> 00:21:29.722 - Do you guys need to be arrested or what? 320 00:21:29.756 --> 00:21:30.723 Yes! 321 00:21:30.757 --> 00:21:32.291 - Chief! 322 00:21:32.325 --> 00:21:34.961 - I think he thought that he was gonna be the new face 323 00:21:34.994 --> 00:21:36.796 of Operation Rescue. 324 00:21:36.829 --> 00:21:39.599 - Since the Roe versus Wade decision legalized 325 00:21:39.632 --> 00:21:42.201 child killing in 1973, 326 00:21:42.234 --> 00:21:44.771 Christians are finally facing the reality 327 00:21:44.804 --> 00:21:47.640 that God is calling them to rescue the children. 328 00:21:50.076 --> 00:21:52.412 - In the mid-'80s, 329 00:21:52.445 --> 00:21:56.449 during Ronald Reagan's term in the White House, 330 00:21:56.483 --> 00:21:59.952 abortion really roared to the front burner 331 00:21:59.986 --> 00:22:04.791 of American political consciousness. 332 00:22:04.824 --> 00:22:09.596 Roe v. Wade was at the center of that. 333 00:22:09.629 --> 00:22:12.632 It represented the most loathsome 334 00:22:12.665 --> 00:22:16.736 and terrible practices in our society, 335 00:22:16.769 --> 00:22:19.071 killing children. 336 00:22:19.105 --> 00:22:21.974 We came to call it the pro-death movement. 337 00:22:22.008 --> 00:22:24.477 - You are have far more value than your boobs. 338 00:22:24.511 --> 00:22:26.312 - We should have housing-- - Far more value 339 00:22:26.345 --> 00:22:28.347 in the eyes of God than your two boobs. 340 00:22:28.381 --> 00:22:31.317 I was an activist with Operation Rescue 341 00:22:31.350 --> 00:22:33.686 and other pro-life groups. 342 00:22:36.489 --> 00:22:38.224 - Get up! 343 00:22:39.358 --> 00:22:40.993 Get up! Get up! 344 00:22:41.027 --> 00:22:42.261 - Ahh! 345 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:48.535 - We lay ourselves down at those doors 346 00:22:48.568 --> 00:22:52.839 between the abortionist and his little victim. 347 00:22:52.872 --> 00:22:54.206 - Down on your knees! Down on your... 348 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.209 - We would blockade clinics. 349 00:22:57.243 --> 00:23:00.012 - Don't kill your baby, lady! Please don't! 350 00:23:00.046 --> 00:23:02.214 - The jaws of death await you, woman. 351 00:23:02.248 --> 00:23:04.350 - We would berate women. 352 00:23:04.383 --> 00:23:05.852 - It's murder! 353 00:23:05.885 --> 00:23:07.887 You're killing babies! Murder is killing babies! 354 00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:10.723 - "You're going to murder your child. 355 00:23:10.757 --> 00:23:12.692 You're murdering your baby." 356 00:23:12.725 --> 00:23:15.361 - I'm telling you no one will control my body. 357 00:23:15.394 --> 00:23:17.697 - Counter-protestors on the sidewalks 358 00:23:17.730 --> 00:23:20.399 screaming at each other. 359 00:23:23.770 --> 00:23:26.372 Fights broke out. 360 00:23:26.405 --> 00:23:28.708 - Operation Rescue members have a radical technique 361 00:23:28.741 --> 00:23:32.178 for shocking people with the gruesome reality of abortion. 362 00:23:32.211 --> 00:23:35.882 - We brought actual fetal remains to the sites. 363 00:23:39.619 --> 00:23:40.753 - That is the movement, 364 00:23:40.787 --> 00:23:43.389 the movement that has been absolutely clear 365 00:23:43.422 --> 00:23:45.892 about its willingness to use violence against people. 366 00:23:45.925 --> 00:23:48.127 - They did death threats and bomb threats. 367 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:49.662 We had many, many times 368 00:23:49.696 --> 00:23:53.299 when we had to evacuate our clinic, calls to my home, 369 00:23:53.332 --> 00:23:56.235 "We're gonna cut you up in little pieces." 370 00:23:56.268 --> 00:23:57.870 - Most of those arrested are being charged 371 00:23:57.904 --> 00:23:59.772 with disorderly conduct. 372 00:23:59.806 --> 00:24:01.574 - What they have done is, over and over, 373 00:24:01.608 --> 00:24:03.776 used terrorism, fear tactics. 374 00:24:03.810 --> 00:24:05.778 - We were handcuffed, dragged. 375 00:24:08.047 --> 00:24:10.249 You feel morally vindicated. 376 00:24:10.282 --> 00:24:12.018 And we pray your... 377 00:24:12.051 --> 00:24:14.453 We had to shut down the clinic. 378 00:24:14.487 --> 00:24:16.556 We would win this. 379 00:24:25.932 --> 00:24:28.300 - A lot of people are still very shocked 380 00:24:28.334 --> 00:24:30.870 to find out that I've never had an abortion. 381 00:24:33.806 --> 00:24:38.778 When I was 15, I was working at the drive-in. 382 00:24:38.811 --> 00:24:41.480 That's where I met Woody. 383 00:24:41.514 --> 00:24:43.816 He's a customer, right? 384 00:24:43.850 --> 00:24:45.952 I'm a stupid little carhop. 385 00:24:45.985 --> 00:24:48.387 I go skating out there, you know, 386 00:24:48.420 --> 00:24:49.789 "Hi, my name's Norma. 387 00:24:49.822 --> 00:24:52.091 Can I take your order?" and he says, "Yeah." 388 00:24:52.124 --> 00:24:54.961 He says, "Give me a fur burger," 389 00:24:54.994 --> 00:24:56.262 and I said, "A what?" 390 00:24:56.295 --> 00:24:57.830 "A fur burger." 391 00:24:59.331 --> 00:25:00.800 I was a kid. I was still a kid. 392 00:25:00.833 --> 00:25:04.637 I mean, you know, totally oblivious. 393 00:25:06.038 --> 00:25:07.674 And I said, "I don't think we have 394 00:25:07.707 --> 00:25:09.475 any of those tonight." 395 00:25:09.508 --> 00:25:12.244 Well, he started laughing. 396 00:25:12.278 --> 00:25:13.980 I said, "Go away. Shoo, shoo." 397 00:25:14.013 --> 00:25:16.015 I said, "I'm being nice now," 398 00:25:16.048 --> 00:25:18.818 and he says, "Come on. Let me take you home." 399 00:25:18.851 --> 00:25:21.487 He was good-looking. 400 00:25:21.520 --> 00:25:24.323 I knew he had a lot of money. 401 00:25:24.356 --> 00:25:27.760 We spent the night together. 402 00:25:27.794 --> 00:25:29.095 Then my mom, she says, 403 00:25:29.128 --> 00:25:30.496 "Well, if you're gonna sleep with him, 404 00:25:30.529 --> 00:25:35.167 might as well just go ahead and get married." 405 00:25:35.201 --> 00:25:40.272 I married Woody about a year later when I was 16. 406 00:25:40.306 --> 00:25:42.341 He was 22. 407 00:25:46.813 --> 00:25:49.515 One day he came home. 408 00:25:49.548 --> 00:25:52.384 I looked at him, and I said, "I'm pregnant," 409 00:25:52.418 --> 00:25:56.055 and he turned around, and he--he hit me. 410 00:25:56.088 --> 00:26:00.693 He says, "You've been sleeping with somebody else." 411 00:26:00.727 --> 00:26:02.528 I wasn't gonna live like that. 412 00:26:06.398 --> 00:26:08.400 I threw his ass out. 413 00:26:12.504 --> 00:26:14.941 You don't want to fuck with me. 414 00:26:18.044 --> 00:26:20.312 I had Missy. 415 00:26:20.346 --> 00:26:22.949 She was a cute baby. 416 00:26:22.982 --> 00:26:25.084 My stepfather and my mother 417 00:26:25.117 --> 00:26:27.186 was taking care of Melissa for me, 418 00:26:27.219 --> 00:26:30.122 and they found out that I was out with a girl. 419 00:26:31.891 --> 00:26:33.693 I love flirting. 420 00:26:33.726 --> 00:26:37.930 I was a sucker for blondes, you know, and redheads. 421 00:26:37.964 --> 00:26:40.099 Oh, God. 422 00:26:41.868 --> 00:26:43.302 My mom told me, 423 00:26:43.335 --> 00:26:47.573 "You going around with those queers has got to stop." 424 00:26:47.606 --> 00:26:49.776 - A lot of people thought that gay people 425 00:26:49.809 --> 00:26:51.410 were child molesters, 426 00:26:51.443 --> 00:26:55.181 that gay people should not be in the company of children. 427 00:26:55.214 --> 00:26:57.750 - My mom took my first daughter away from me 428 00:26:57.784 --> 00:26:59.585 through the courts. 429 00:26:59.618 --> 00:27:01.120 She lied, and... 430 00:27:02.454 --> 00:27:07.126 She told them that I was flamboyant drunk, 431 00:27:07.159 --> 00:27:08.828 a lesbian, 432 00:27:08.861 --> 00:27:12.531 and unable to care for the child, 433 00:27:12.564 --> 00:27:16.102 so the courts believed her. 434 00:27:16.135 --> 00:27:17.369 They didn't believe me. 435 00:27:17.403 --> 00:27:19.071 In fact, they didn't even want to talk to me. 436 00:27:19.105 --> 00:27:21.340 - One of the things I think that happened sometimes 437 00:27:21.373 --> 00:27:23.876 with Norma is that the story she ended up 438 00:27:23.910 --> 00:27:28.247 telling herself was of her as the victim, 439 00:27:28.280 --> 00:27:30.783 because she felt a lot of sadness. 440 00:27:30.817 --> 00:27:33.019 If she wasn't able to take care of her daughter, 441 00:27:33.052 --> 00:27:35.955 in a way, it was easier to blame her mother. 442 00:27:35.988 --> 00:27:37.990 That absolves her. 443 00:28:00.012 --> 00:28:02.048 - I've got quarters for the jukebox. 444 00:28:02.081 --> 00:28:03.449 - Good. 445 00:28:07.353 --> 00:28:10.256 Yeah, when I met Connie, it was the summer of '70. 446 00:28:10.289 --> 00:28:12.524 - Yeah, that's right. - '70. 447 00:28:12.558 --> 00:28:15.327 - I met you shortly after you had the-- 448 00:28:15.361 --> 00:28:16.328 - The Roe baby. 449 00:28:16.362 --> 00:28:17.363 - The Roe baby. - Yeah. 450 00:28:22.401 --> 00:28:23.803 - Where we going, the same place we always go? 451 00:28:23.836 --> 00:28:24.837 - Yeah. 452 00:28:29.842 --> 00:28:31.277 Here, you want these? 453 00:28:31.310 --> 00:28:32.779 I didn't have a job, didn't have money, you know, 454 00:28:32.812 --> 00:28:36.548 same old, same old, so I went into Connie's store, 455 00:28:36.582 --> 00:28:38.217 and I ripped off a can of chicken noodle soup 456 00:28:38.250 --> 00:28:41.854 and a Coke and some crackers, 457 00:28:41.888 --> 00:28:44.824 and I got midway to the door, 458 00:28:44.857 --> 00:28:49.495 and she says, "Hey, I can call the police," 459 00:28:49.528 --> 00:28:53.933 and I offered to clean all the floors in the store for-- 460 00:28:53.966 --> 00:28:55.701 for stealing from Connie. 461 00:28:58.337 --> 00:29:02.274 And then she gave me her brand-new red Plymouth Fury 462 00:29:02.308 --> 00:29:04.410 and her credit card, and she says, 463 00:29:04.443 --> 00:29:06.412 "Here, why don't you take my car and have it washed 464 00:29:06.445 --> 00:29:08.414 and gassed up?" I said, "Okay." 465 00:29:08.447 --> 00:29:10.082 - And my roommate said, "Well, who'd you let 466 00:29:10.116 --> 00:29:11.083 borrow your car?" 467 00:29:11.117 --> 00:29:12.718 I said, "This girl I just met." 468 00:29:12.751 --> 00:29:15.888 I said, "She's real tiny, real pretty. 469 00:29:15.922 --> 00:29:19.125 She weighs maybe about 100 pounds." 470 00:29:19.158 --> 00:29:21.493 "Oh, I know who that is. That's Pixie. Oh, she's bad." 471 00:29:21.527 --> 00:29:23.362 I said, "Nah, I don't think so." 472 00:29:23.395 --> 00:29:26.598 "Yeah, she's bad," and I said, "Well, whatever," you know? 473 00:29:26.632 --> 00:29:30.336 Just, "Well, we'll wait and see if she brings my car back," 474 00:29:30.369 --> 00:29:31.904 and she did. 475 00:29:31.938 --> 00:29:34.173 With a big old smile on her face, she said, 476 00:29:34.206 --> 00:29:35.174 "I washed your car." 477 00:29:39.645 --> 00:29:41.881 - That is so pretty. 478 00:29:41.914 --> 00:29:44.783 Isn't that adorable? 479 00:29:44.817 --> 00:29:48.955 - Look at this. - Oh, it's a cookie jar. 480 00:30:02.334 --> 00:30:05.704 - Since 1973, the abortion debate has been mainly vocal 481 00:30:05.737 --> 00:30:09.075 but increasingly has turned violent. 482 00:30:09.108 --> 00:30:10.776 - Christmas Day 1984, 483 00:30:10.809 --> 00:30:13.279 four abortion clinics are bombed. 484 00:30:13.312 --> 00:30:15.714 Two years later, an anti-abortion activist 485 00:30:15.747 --> 00:30:18.885 arrives in town with bombs in his car trunk. 486 00:30:20.052 --> 00:30:22.588 - With all the bombings that were going on 487 00:30:22.621 --> 00:30:24.456 in the abortion clinics, 488 00:30:24.490 --> 00:30:26.825 the flyers... 489 00:30:28.360 --> 00:30:30.796 I thought, "Well, I've got something to say, 490 00:30:30.829 --> 00:30:32.932 "and I'm gonna start getting out there, 491 00:30:32.965 --> 00:30:35.667 and I'm gonna start speaking up." 492 00:30:38.504 --> 00:30:41.974 I'm very saddened 493 00:30:42.008 --> 00:30:44.676 that other people want to abolish something 494 00:30:44.710 --> 00:30:48.814 that women should naturally already have. 495 00:30:48.847 --> 00:30:52.919 - Mm-hmm. Have you had any-- any change of heart at all 496 00:30:52.952 --> 00:30:54.420 in the nine years since? 497 00:30:54.453 --> 00:30:56.455 - None whatsoever. 498 00:30:56.488 --> 00:31:00.792 all: Pro-choice is pro-death! Pro-choice is pro-death! 499 00:31:00.826 --> 00:31:03.029 Pro-choice is pro-death! 500 00:31:03.062 --> 00:31:05.364 Pro-choice is pro-death! 501 00:31:08.367 --> 00:31:10.669 - Norma came to one of our events, 502 00:31:10.702 --> 00:31:13.772 and I'm gonna think maybe it was a clinic open house. 503 00:31:13.805 --> 00:31:16.175 - We were down at the Routh Street Women's Clinic, 504 00:31:16.208 --> 00:31:18.677 and we were doing a lot of picket signs, 505 00:31:18.710 --> 00:31:21.313 and Charlotte came back over to where I was sitting. 506 00:31:21.347 --> 00:31:24.216 - And she just came and introduced herself and said... 507 00:31:24.250 --> 00:31:26.385 - "Oh, hello. My name's Jane Roe." 508 00:31:26.418 --> 00:31:29.188 - And we said, "Oh, well, welcome. 509 00:31:29.221 --> 00:31:31.991 How--thank you for coming," you know? 510 00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:34.693 Norma was charming. 511 00:31:34.726 --> 00:31:36.996 She had sort of a wry sense of humor. 512 00:31:37.029 --> 00:31:40.232 She was very pro-choice. She said, "I want to help." 513 00:31:40.266 --> 00:31:42.001 - The Supreme Court represents a threat 514 00:31:42.034 --> 00:31:44.236 to our personal privacy. 515 00:31:44.270 --> 00:31:48.540 - But it really didn't take too long to recognize 516 00:31:48.574 --> 00:31:51.743 that being friends with Norma was a complicated experience. 517 00:31:57.449 --> 00:32:01.053 - I was doing an interview with Carl Rowan. 518 00:32:01.087 --> 00:32:04.023 Carl had came to my house with his crew, 519 00:32:04.056 --> 00:32:06.225 and he says, "Norma, I want to talk to you 520 00:32:06.258 --> 00:32:07.559 about the rape." 521 00:32:07.593 --> 00:32:10.196 I went to my doctor. 522 00:32:10.229 --> 00:32:11.863 He confirmed that I was pregnant, 523 00:32:11.897 --> 00:32:14.300 and I told him I wanted an abortion. 524 00:32:14.333 --> 00:32:15.601 - You were raped? 525 00:32:17.936 --> 00:32:19.271 - I thought, "I'll just go ahead 526 00:32:19.305 --> 00:32:22.941 and tell the truth. Why not?" 527 00:32:22.975 --> 00:32:24.276 No, I wasn't. 528 00:32:24.310 --> 00:32:26.478 - You were not? - No, I wasn't. 529 00:32:26.512 --> 00:32:30.116 - Oh. So all those stories are not true? 530 00:32:32.618 --> 00:32:34.320 - Yes, sir, yes. 531 00:32:34.353 --> 00:32:36.588 - They are not true? - Right. 532 00:32:36.622 --> 00:32:39.925 - It just shocked me, and I just thought, "Oh, no." 533 00:32:39.958 --> 00:32:42.861 Roe versus Wade had nothing to do with whether she was raped. 534 00:32:42.894 --> 00:32:44.630 There was absolutely no mention 535 00:32:44.663 --> 00:32:47.499 in the Roe versus Wade decision, 536 00:32:47.533 --> 00:32:49.635 but most people think that Roe versus Wade 537 00:32:49.668 --> 00:32:52.104 was decided because the woman was raped, 538 00:32:52.138 --> 00:32:53.605 so now she's lied. 539 00:32:53.639 --> 00:32:56.375 She wasn't raped, so Roe versus Wade is invalid. 540 00:32:56.408 --> 00:32:58.610 That's--I think many people thought that. 541 00:33:01.813 --> 00:33:04.116 - It is the home of Norma McCorvey, 542 00:33:04.150 --> 00:33:07.153 buckshots in the front door the only signs of the terror 543 00:33:07.186 --> 00:33:10.222 seen here early Tuesday. 544 00:33:12.958 --> 00:33:16.495 - Some people came by and shot up my car 545 00:33:16.528 --> 00:33:19.031 at 4:40 a.m. in the morning. 546 00:33:20.632 --> 00:33:22.734 They turned around. 547 00:33:23.835 --> 00:33:26.805 They shot out my living room windows, 548 00:33:26.838 --> 00:33:30.476 blew away my storm door. 549 00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:32.844 - Some pro-choice group members say with several 550 00:33:32.878 --> 00:33:34.980 abortion rallies planned for this weekend, 551 00:33:35.013 --> 00:33:38.817 what happened here may be the tip of the iceberg. 552 00:33:38.850 --> 00:33:42.388 - I've basically just been hiding out in hotels 553 00:33:42.421 --> 00:33:44.556 to which I cannot afford. 554 00:33:44.590 --> 00:33:46.358 - No word on whether the shooting incident 555 00:33:46.392 --> 00:33:47.826 will keep McCorvey from speaking 556 00:33:47.859 --> 00:33:51.497 at an abortion rally in Washington this Sunday. 557 00:33:51.530 --> 00:33:53.665 - That's when I made my decision 558 00:33:53.699 --> 00:33:55.834 about going to the Washington march. 559 00:34:01.773 --> 00:34:03.842 - Check, one, two. 560 00:34:09.215 --> 00:34:11.917 - World News Sunday. 561 00:34:11.950 --> 00:34:13.119 - Good evening. 562 00:34:13.152 --> 00:34:14.586 Not since the height of the Vietnam War 563 00:34:14.620 --> 00:34:17.256 have so many people marched in Washington as did today 564 00:34:17.289 --> 00:34:19.625 in the name of legalized abortion. 565 00:34:19.658 --> 00:34:22.694 - They came from all over because of their concern 566 00:34:22.728 --> 00:34:25.063 that the Supreme Court may reverse the right 567 00:34:25.097 --> 00:34:26.932 to a legal abortion. 568 00:34:26.965 --> 00:34:29.168 Leading the protest was a large contingent 569 00:34:29.201 --> 00:34:30.402 of celebrities. 570 00:34:30.436 --> 00:34:32.738 - And I'm here to say to the Supreme Court, 571 00:34:32.771 --> 00:34:34.840 I will make it my job 572 00:34:34.873 --> 00:34:38.210 to make sure that we have safe, clean abortion. 573 00:34:40.779 --> 00:34:43.382 - I met Norma McCorvey at 574 00:34:43.415 --> 00:34:46.252 the huge pro-choice rally 575 00:34:46.285 --> 00:34:49.421 in Washington, D.C. 576 00:34:49.455 --> 00:34:52.724 It was a chance meeting. 577 00:34:52.758 --> 00:34:55.294 She told me who she was, 578 00:34:55.327 --> 00:34:59.598 and I asked her if she was speaking at the rally, 579 00:34:59.631 --> 00:35:01.900 and she said she had not been invited to speak. 580 00:35:03.435 --> 00:35:05.237 She was very upset. 581 00:35:05.271 --> 00:35:07.439 She felt that she was an activist 582 00:35:07.473 --> 00:35:09.775 and wanted to be an activist 583 00:35:09.808 --> 00:35:13.011 in support of the right to choose abortion. 584 00:35:13.044 --> 00:35:17.449 - I would like to introduce some of the very special people 585 00:35:17.483 --> 00:35:18.950 who are here today 586 00:35:18.984 --> 00:35:23.722 and whose presence has a very important significance. 587 00:35:23.755 --> 00:35:26.292 First, Cybil Shepherd. 588 00:35:30.929 --> 00:35:33.031 - Thank you for coming. 589 00:35:33.064 --> 00:35:34.400 - The pro-choice people, 590 00:35:34.433 --> 00:35:36.302 they never gave me an opportunity. 591 00:35:36.335 --> 00:35:40.806 You know, they just, "Well, no, she can't speak." 592 00:35:40.839 --> 00:35:42.308 What? 593 00:35:42.341 --> 00:35:46.445 - She was not the poster girl that... 594 00:35:46.478 --> 00:35:49.781 would have been helpful to the pro-choice movement. 595 00:35:49.815 --> 00:35:52.951 However, an articulate, educated person could not have 596 00:35:52.984 --> 00:35:54.520 been the plaintiff in Roe versus Wade. 597 00:35:54.553 --> 00:35:57.189 - The battle is not over today. 598 00:35:57.223 --> 00:35:59.458 - I'm a very uneducated person. 599 00:35:59.491 --> 00:36:04.296 I'm not a demure, quiet, picture-perfect, 600 00:36:04.330 --> 00:36:05.831 white-gloved lady. 601 00:36:05.864 --> 00:36:10.569 - Abortion must be legal, safe, accessible. 602 00:36:10.602 --> 00:36:12.638 - After the rape thing, they didn't feel like 603 00:36:12.671 --> 00:36:16.174 she would help protect Roe versus Wade. 604 00:36:16.208 --> 00:36:18.877 Even if she wanted to do that, they were scared. 605 00:36:20.346 --> 00:36:24.316 - She felt that she had been denied the opportunity 606 00:36:24.350 --> 00:36:27.286 to be recognized and be acknowledged. 607 00:36:27.319 --> 00:36:30.422 - Which really set me on fire. 608 00:36:30.456 --> 00:36:33.392 "I'll do it now just to show you I can do it." 609 00:36:33.425 --> 00:36:36.127 - And I'd like to introduce Norma McCorvey, 610 00:36:36.161 --> 00:36:37.963 also known as Jane Roe, 611 00:36:37.996 --> 00:36:40.532 the plaintiff in the very famous 612 00:36:40.566 --> 00:36:42.534 Roe versus Wade Supreme Court decision. 613 00:36:42.568 --> 00:36:47.005 - It's been hard enough for me to come out as Jane Roe 614 00:36:47.038 --> 00:36:49.875 and to step into the limelight, so to speak. 615 00:36:53.044 --> 00:36:54.513 - She's here today coming out of hiding for this, 616 00:36:54.546 --> 00:36:56.348 and we appreciate her courage. 617 00:36:56.382 --> 00:36:59.217 Don't we? - Whoo! 618 00:36:59.251 --> 00:37:02.187 - We did tons of media. 619 00:37:04.356 --> 00:37:08.093 Gloria and I just fell in like with each other. 620 00:37:20.038 --> 00:37:23.309 - Well, that's the way it was back in 1969, 621 00:37:23.342 --> 00:37:25.210 especially in Texas. - When you say, 622 00:37:25.243 --> 00:37:27.212 "That's the way it was," what are you referring to? 623 00:37:27.245 --> 00:37:30.215 - Well, lying to get-- try to get-- 624 00:37:30.248 --> 00:37:32.117 to try to get an abortion. 625 00:37:35.921 --> 00:37:37.956 - Excuse me, I don't think that she has capitalized 626 00:37:37.989 --> 00:37:39.257 on this at all. 627 00:37:39.291 --> 00:37:40.726 To the contrary, 628 00:37:40.759 --> 00:37:45.230 it has cost her physically, emotionally, financially. 629 00:37:49.234 --> 00:37:50.936 - I don't charge very much. 630 00:37:52.638 --> 00:37:55.941 - I clean houses, condos, apartments. 631 00:37:58.310 --> 00:38:01.580 Why, does anybody here need a good housecleaning lady? 632 00:38:04.115 --> 00:38:07.218 She flew Connie and I out to Southern California. 633 00:38:07.252 --> 00:38:10.055 - May I wish you the very best? - Thank you very much. 634 00:38:10.088 --> 00:38:11.423 - Really. 635 00:38:11.457 --> 00:38:14.092 - You're kind of like a hick out of Hickville. 636 00:38:14.125 --> 00:38:16.094 Mmm, that's good. 637 00:38:16.127 --> 00:38:17.095 We did something, like, 638 00:38:17.128 --> 00:38:21.099 54 or 56 interviews in a week. 639 00:38:21.132 --> 00:38:22.300 Right to life! 640 00:38:22.334 --> 00:38:24.302 - Some of them may never come... 641 00:38:24.336 --> 00:38:26.071 You don't care if women die. 642 00:38:26.104 --> 00:38:28.173 - Then we went to fight Operation Rescue. 643 00:38:28.206 --> 00:38:29.708 - Freedom is... all: Pro-choice! 644 00:38:29.741 --> 00:38:31.477 - Freedom is... all: Pro-choice! 645 00:38:31.510 --> 00:38:35.614 - They were chanting about, "Jane Roe, total lie, 646 00:38:35.647 --> 00:38:37.483 that's why all the babies die," 647 00:38:37.516 --> 00:38:38.950 or something like that; I'm going, like, 648 00:38:38.984 --> 00:38:40.519 "Oh, please, I could think of something better than that, 649 00:38:40.552 --> 00:38:41.753 you know, in my sleep." 650 00:38:41.787 --> 00:38:44.490 all: Pro-choice! Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 651 00:38:44.523 --> 00:38:45.957 Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 652 00:38:45.991 --> 00:38:50.095 - For us, Jane Roe was like Adolf Hitler 653 00:38:50.128 --> 00:38:53.799 or a Goebbels would be with the Holocaust. 654 00:38:53.832 --> 00:38:56.635 She was the face of 655 00:38:56.668 --> 00:39:00.806 this evil that was brought on our country 656 00:39:00.839 --> 00:39:01.973 by the Roe v. Wade decision. 657 00:39:02.007 --> 00:39:03.909 - It's ludicrous. 658 00:39:03.942 --> 00:39:08.414 They are sending women back to the back streets. 659 00:39:08.447 --> 00:39:12.984 Abortion will continue whether it is legal or not. 660 00:39:13.018 --> 00:39:14.453 Women will die from this. 661 00:39:14.486 --> 00:39:16.154 Jane Roe is every woman 662 00:39:16.187 --> 00:39:20.125 who's ever been denied anything in her whole life, 663 00:39:20.158 --> 00:39:23.695 because we've all been denied something at some point, 664 00:39:23.729 --> 00:39:25.163 so we're all Jane Roes. 665 00:39:25.196 --> 00:39:28.900 - She was the star on the pro-abortion side, 666 00:39:28.934 --> 00:39:32.704 and her presence couldn't possibly be ignored. 667 00:39:36.842 --> 00:39:38.510 - The nominees are 668 00:39:38.544 --> 00:39:42.514 Holly Hunter for "Roe versus Wade." 669 00:39:42.548 --> 00:39:44.516 - We warned you that this might happen 670 00:39:44.550 --> 00:39:46.217 way back when we first met you. 671 00:39:46.251 --> 00:39:48.520 - You let me think that, and you let me hope, 672 00:39:48.554 --> 00:39:52.190 and now I gotta have this baby, and I can't even find a job? 673 00:39:54.793 --> 00:39:58.029 - And the Emmy goes to... Holly Hunter. 674 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.705 - I would really like to thank the real-life Jane Roe, 675 00:40:06.738 --> 00:40:10.476 Norma McCorvey, for continuing to fight. 676 00:40:13.111 --> 00:40:14.412 - Thou shalt not kill! 677 00:40:14.446 --> 00:40:16.214 Read the Ten Commandments. Pick up a Bible. 678 00:40:16.247 --> 00:40:20.385 - Back in Dallas, I was still working in an abortion clinic. 679 00:40:23.121 --> 00:40:25.156 - Behind me here is an abortion mill, 680 00:40:25.190 --> 00:40:27.058 where little baby boys and girls die, 681 00:40:27.092 --> 00:40:28.560 and outside of the abortion mill 682 00:40:28.594 --> 00:40:31.396 are Christian moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas 683 00:40:31.429 --> 00:40:34.766 living out their faith in the streets. 684 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.036 - The pro-lifers were out on the sidewalk 685 00:40:38.069 --> 00:40:40.205 every weekend. 686 00:40:40.238 --> 00:40:41.573 - Baby killer! 687 00:40:41.607 --> 00:40:42.908 - They used to block the doors, 688 00:40:42.941 --> 00:40:45.777 holler at the women, 689 00:40:45.811 --> 00:40:47.412 "Don't go in there and kill your baby!" 690 00:40:47.445 --> 00:40:48.980 And I'd say, "Oh, shit, shut up." 691 00:40:50.616 --> 00:40:53.018 I had a job to counsel women 692 00:40:53.051 --> 00:40:55.120 to make sure that they were making 693 00:40:55.153 --> 00:40:56.788 the right decisions for themselves. 694 00:40:56.822 --> 00:40:58.089 - Would you ladies please consider the child 695 00:40:58.123 --> 00:40:59.591 you're carrying? 696 00:40:59.625 --> 00:41:01.960 - And I've told I don't know how many young women, 697 00:41:01.993 --> 00:41:04.295 "As long as you think you're doing right, 698 00:41:04.329 --> 00:41:05.797 then you're doing right." 699 00:41:05.831 --> 00:41:09.968 How would they feel if we went to their churches and said, 700 00:41:10.001 --> 00:41:12.437 "No, you can't go in there?" 701 00:41:12.470 --> 00:41:17.342 - Jane Roe was the poster child for abortion. 702 00:41:17.375 --> 00:41:21.647 She was their prize, 703 00:41:21.680 --> 00:41:26.051 and there was talk that-- 704 00:41:26.084 --> 00:41:29.721 that that had to be dealt with. 705 00:41:33.491 --> 00:41:36.161 - One Thursday morning Connie called me from work, 706 00:41:36.194 --> 00:41:38.530 'cause we worked at the same clinic. 707 00:41:38.564 --> 00:41:40.298 - I called her, and I told her, I said, 708 00:41:40.331 --> 00:41:43.101 "You'll never believe who's moving next door," 709 00:41:43.134 --> 00:41:45.904 and she said, "Who?" I said, "You're not gonna-- 710 00:41:45.937 --> 00:41:47.639 in a million years, you'd never guess." 711 00:41:47.673 --> 00:41:50.308 "Well, tell me." 712 00:41:50.341 --> 00:41:52.510 "Operation Rescue." 713 00:41:53.712 --> 00:41:56.648 - Norma McCorvey has an unwelcome new neighbor, 714 00:41:56.682 --> 00:41:59.818 Operation Rescue and its national director, Flip Benham. 715 00:41:59.851 --> 00:42:02.320 - We've come to live right next to this place 716 00:42:02.353 --> 00:42:04.122 and give mothers an informed choice. 717 00:42:04.155 --> 00:42:06.792 God just worked a miracle so that we could move 718 00:42:06.825 --> 00:42:10.662 right next door to her office, 719 00:42:10.696 --> 00:42:12.463 Choice for Women. 720 00:42:12.497 --> 00:42:14.700 - They told me it was just an accident. 721 00:42:14.733 --> 00:42:16.568 I'm going like... 722 00:42:19.037 --> 00:42:23.141 "Listen, Flip, don't try to con an old con." 723 00:42:23.174 --> 00:42:24.810 - She was just spitting and fuming 724 00:42:24.843 --> 00:42:26.845 and calling me every f-word that she could, 725 00:42:26.878 --> 00:42:30.015 because the f-word was one of her favorites, 726 00:42:30.048 --> 00:42:31.683 and that--and I was that. 727 00:42:31.717 --> 00:42:33.852 - I told them they were damn liars 728 00:42:33.885 --> 00:42:35.553 and that they better check with their God 729 00:42:35.587 --> 00:42:38.123 to make sure that they were still gonna go to heaven. 730 00:42:38.156 --> 00:42:40.525 - She would call up and put crazy things, 731 00:42:40.558 --> 00:42:44.529 like, on our recordo-phone, saying, "Hey, we're ha--listen, 732 00:42:44.562 --> 00:42:46.698 "we're having barbecued babies today. 733 00:42:46.732 --> 00:42:48.199 "Would you like some, Flip? 734 00:42:48.233 --> 00:42:49.534 "Would you like to come over 735 00:42:49.567 --> 00:42:51.536 and have some barbecued babies with us today?" 736 00:42:51.569 --> 00:42:52.804 And I'm going... 737 00:42:54.572 --> 00:42:58.043 - One day I was sitting on a bench having a cigarette. 738 00:42:58.076 --> 00:42:59.778 He come over there, and he says, 739 00:42:59.811 --> 00:43:02.013 "Can I have a seat here?" 740 00:43:02.047 --> 00:43:03.715 And I said, "Well," I said, 741 00:43:03.749 --> 00:43:05.684 "There's been abortion ass sitting over here." 742 00:43:05.717 --> 00:43:07.518 I said, "If you can sit on abortion ass," 743 00:43:07.552 --> 00:43:09.354 I said, "Go for it." 744 00:43:09.387 --> 00:43:12.858 - He got to talking to her and being nice to her 745 00:43:12.891 --> 00:43:14.760 and being phony, like he can be 746 00:43:14.793 --> 00:43:17.863 when he's talking to somebody he wants to get over. 747 00:43:17.896 --> 00:43:19.364 - I can remember the day, 748 00:43:19.397 --> 00:43:21.032 and her little truck was parked right over here. 749 00:43:21.066 --> 00:43:22.600 I imagine she's still got that red, ugly truck. 750 00:43:22.634 --> 00:43:24.569 And I said, "Ms. Norma, 751 00:43:24.602 --> 00:43:27.538 Ms. Norma, what are we gonna do?" 752 00:43:27.572 --> 00:43:30.041 And she said, "Well, I don't know," 753 00:43:30.075 --> 00:43:32.343 and that was the first time she actually communicated with me, 754 00:43:32.377 --> 00:43:34.579 and I said, "Would you come here with me for a minute? 755 00:43:34.612 --> 00:43:36.414 I have something I want to tell you," 756 00:43:36.447 --> 00:43:38.917 and there was a bench right here, 757 00:43:38.950 --> 00:43:40.251 and she and I sat down. 758 00:43:40.285 --> 00:43:43.588 She sat on this side, and I sat here. 759 00:43:43.621 --> 00:43:45.657 - That's when he gave me his testimony, 760 00:43:45.691 --> 00:43:47.726 and he was a badass, 761 00:43:47.759 --> 00:43:51.930 a sinner just like everyone else, womanizer. 762 00:43:51.963 --> 00:43:53.198 You know, he did it all. 763 00:43:53.231 --> 00:43:55.701 It's kind of like my life. 764 00:43:55.734 --> 00:43:59.604 - When I saw this lady who was totally lost 765 00:43:59.637 --> 00:44:02.273 in her own mess, I saw me. 766 00:44:02.307 --> 00:44:04.575 I knew--I knew-- I knew what she needed. 767 00:44:04.609 --> 00:44:06.444 - Then he-- 768 00:44:06.477 --> 00:44:09.881 he just fell kind of quiet, 769 00:44:09.915 --> 00:44:13.418 and he said, 770 00:44:13.451 --> 00:44:15.520 "Do you like what you're doing?" 771 00:44:25.163 --> 00:44:27.432 - Ms. Norma, do you have the assurance 772 00:44:27.465 --> 00:44:30.301 that your sins are forgiven 773 00:44:30.335 --> 00:44:32.904 through Jesus Christ, our Lord? 774 00:44:32.938 --> 00:44:34.239 - Yes, I do. 775 00:44:34.272 --> 00:44:37.342 - Do you renounce the devil and his works 776 00:44:37.375 --> 00:44:39.978 and the sinful desires of the flesh? 777 00:44:40.011 --> 00:44:42.480 - Yes, I do. 778 00:44:42.513 --> 00:44:44.883 - It's all forgiven. 779 00:44:44.916 --> 00:44:46.584 You're brand-new. 780 00:44:46.617 --> 00:44:51.222 Nobody could do that but Jesus. 781 00:44:58.496 --> 00:45:02.333 I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son 782 00:45:02.367 --> 00:45:03.601 and of the Holy Spirit. 783 00:45:03.634 --> 00:45:04.870 - Hallelujah. - Amen. 784 00:45:07.005 --> 00:45:09.140 - Hallelujah. Whoo! 785 00:45:09.174 --> 00:45:11.676 - Amen. - Hallelujah! 786 00:45:11.709 --> 00:45:14.079 Here she is, 787 00:45:14.112 --> 00:45:17.248 Ms. Norma Leah McCorvey, 788 00:45:17.282 --> 00:45:20.018 born-again Christian! 789 00:45:20.051 --> 00:45:21.987 - Hallelujah! - Hallelujah! 790 00:45:29.560 --> 00:45:32.563 When she jumped from spawn of Satan 791 00:45:32.597 --> 00:45:34.833 to a child of God, 792 00:45:34.866 --> 00:45:39.037 it just turned everything in this world upside-down. 793 00:45:40.906 --> 00:45:42.874 - The Jane Roe in Roe versus Wade, 794 00:45:42.908 --> 00:45:44.542 the case that legalized abortion, 795 00:45:44.575 --> 00:45:46.411 says she's joining one of the most controversial 796 00:45:46.444 --> 00:45:49.414 anti-abortion groups in America, Operation Rescue. 797 00:45:51.182 --> 00:45:55.086 - Norma McCorvey has joined a leading anti-abortion group 798 00:45:55.120 --> 00:45:57.055 and found religion. 799 00:45:57.088 --> 00:45:59.757 - The pro-lifers have shown me what it's like 800 00:45:59.791 --> 00:46:00.926 to be a human being 801 00:46:00.959 --> 00:46:04.729 for the very first time in my whole life. 802 00:46:04.762 --> 00:46:06.832 They've loved me. 803 00:46:06.865 --> 00:46:09.167 They've nurtured me, 804 00:46:09.200 --> 00:46:12.070 and they've cared for me. 805 00:46:12.103 --> 00:46:16.207 I've never felt so good about being a woman 806 00:46:16.241 --> 00:46:19.945 or about being just a person 807 00:46:19.978 --> 00:46:22.247 than I have from these people. 808 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.183 - Part of what the anti-abortion movement had 809 00:46:25.216 --> 00:46:27.352 that we did not have was, 810 00:46:27.385 --> 00:46:30.388 "Here--if you come here, you're gonna be good. 811 00:46:30.421 --> 00:46:32.123 "We're the good ones. 812 00:46:32.157 --> 00:46:33.458 We're the ones with God." 813 00:46:33.491 --> 00:46:35.126 - I think she's looking for something 814 00:46:35.160 --> 00:46:37.462 that feels like the answer, 815 00:46:37.495 --> 00:46:39.797 and a vulnerable, impressionable person, 816 00:46:39.831 --> 00:46:44.035 frankly, is being exploited by a very clever leader. 817 00:46:44.069 --> 00:46:48.439 She's looking for--for peace. 818 00:46:48.473 --> 00:46:51.609 - Are you interested in using her as a trophy at all? 819 00:46:51.642 --> 00:46:52.777 - No. 820 00:46:52.810 --> 00:46:55.480 There--there is no trophy for us. It is-- 821 00:46:55.513 --> 00:46:57.916 - Come on. - You've gotta understand-- 822 00:46:57.949 --> 00:47:00.318 - Would you care just as much about anybody else 823 00:47:00.351 --> 00:47:01.819 as you do Norma McCorvey? 824 00:47:01.853 --> 00:47:04.822 - Well, you know, God has given Norma to us. 825 00:47:06.791 --> 00:47:09.794 - I... 826 00:47:09.827 --> 00:47:12.430 see so many unusual turns of events 827 00:47:12.463 --> 00:47:15.333 that I'm not shocked 828 00:47:15.366 --> 00:47:17.735 by much anymore, 829 00:47:17.768 --> 00:47:20.371 but I... 830 00:47:22.107 --> 00:47:24.609 Was surprised. 831 00:47:24.642 --> 00:47:28.179 - The leaders of the pro-choice movement were devastated, 832 00:47:28.213 --> 00:47:31.382 and once more they said, "See? We couldn't trust her." 833 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:36.521 I can imagine people, 834 00:47:36.554 --> 00:47:38.423 regular old people reading the newspaper 835 00:47:38.456 --> 00:47:40.758 or seeing it on television, thinking, 836 00:47:40.791 --> 00:47:43.929 "If Jane Roe is against abortion, it must be wrong." 837 00:47:43.962 --> 00:47:46.797 - All I'm simply doing is watching out 838 00:47:46.831 --> 00:47:51.702 for Norma's salvation and Norma's ass, 839 00:47:51.736 --> 00:47:53.771 and it's just that simple. 840 00:47:53.804 --> 00:47:56.874 - Now the media instead of being friendly toward her, 841 00:47:56.908 --> 00:47:58.409 all they wanted to do is shut her up 842 00:47:58.443 --> 00:47:59.911 and beat her out of the way, 843 00:47:59.945 --> 00:48:01.746 and that's what they do, and that's what the media does, 844 00:48:01.779 --> 00:48:05.183 and that's what the media tried to do to her. 845 00:48:11.189 --> 00:48:12.958 - Ms. McCorvey, what happened? 846 00:48:12.991 --> 00:48:18.663 - Well, I've modified my rel--religious path. 847 00:48:18.696 --> 00:48:21.499 - Right. - Now I've changed 848 00:48:21.532 --> 00:48:23.201 my position on choice. 849 00:48:23.234 --> 00:48:26.004 - You realize that over the years you became something 850 00:48:26.037 --> 00:48:30.841 of a symbol of a woman's right to choose. 851 00:48:30.875 --> 00:48:32.410 You must have given a great deal of thought 852 00:48:32.443 --> 00:48:35.746 over these last few weeks and months 853 00:48:35.780 --> 00:48:37.915 about the impact that you're going to have 854 00:48:37.949 --> 00:48:39.684 on the movement itself. 855 00:48:39.717 --> 00:48:42.287 Do you care? - I'm doing this for me. 856 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:46.657 I'm not doing it for anyone else. 857 00:48:46.691 --> 00:48:49.927 - Does it occur to you that you may also be being used now 858 00:48:49.961 --> 00:48:53.264 by the Operation Rescue people for their purposes? 859 00:48:53.298 --> 00:48:56.567 - No, sir, and they--I will not let them use me. 860 00:48:56.601 --> 00:49:00.438 - That was like being given 861 00:49:00.471 --> 00:49:01.939 the Academy Award. 862 00:49:01.973 --> 00:49:04.509 She was our Oscar, 863 00:49:04.542 --> 00:49:08.146 and we were gonna put her on the mantel 864 00:49:08.179 --> 00:49:11.082 and show her off to the world. 865 00:49:15.620 --> 00:49:19.124 I set out immediately to bring her to Washington, D.C., 866 00:49:19.157 --> 00:49:21.626 and put her on a national stage. 867 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.632 There was nobody like Norma in our movement, nobody. 868 00:49:27.665 --> 00:49:30.901 - Could you tell us why you're here this weekend and... 869 00:49:30.935 --> 00:49:32.370 - Well, I'm here this weekend 870 00:49:32.403 --> 00:49:35.606 to speak here in Washington, D.C. 871 00:49:35.640 --> 00:49:37.842 Um... 872 00:49:37.875 --> 00:49:39.744 I've never had that privilege before, 873 00:49:39.777 --> 00:49:43.814 and the pro-life movement that I've encompassed now 874 00:49:43.848 --> 00:49:45.516 has given me that opportunity. 875 00:49:51.322 --> 00:49:53.158 - The whole event was structured 876 00:49:53.191 --> 00:49:56.494 as a memorial service, a kind of funeral. 877 00:49:56.527 --> 00:49:59.630 We actually had fetal remains 878 00:49:59.664 --> 00:50:02.100 in a tiny casket. 879 00:50:02.133 --> 00:50:05.470 We were there mourning for millions 880 00:50:05.503 --> 00:50:08.873 of unborn children, 881 00:50:08.906 --> 00:50:10.875 and Norma's presence 882 00:50:10.908 --> 00:50:14.245 validated that, because, of course, 883 00:50:14.279 --> 00:50:17.115 she was the cause of all this death. 884 00:50:17.148 --> 00:50:21.586 We are here to proclaim that Jane Roe is dead, 885 00:50:21.619 --> 00:50:26.324 and Norma McCorvey lives in Jesus' name! 886 00:50:26.357 --> 00:50:28.059 Hallelujah! 887 00:50:33.798 --> 00:50:34.999 - I'm sorry. 888 00:50:37.001 --> 00:50:39.170 I'm sorry for being so, 889 00:50:39.204 --> 00:50:42.107 so terribly, terribly dumb 890 00:50:42.140 --> 00:50:45.343 and so, so naive. 891 00:50:45.376 --> 00:50:49.980 I thought I was doing something right. 892 00:50:50.014 --> 00:50:52.350 I didn't realize 893 00:50:52.383 --> 00:50:56.554 that I would be leading innocent children 894 00:50:56.587 --> 00:50:58.223 to a senseless... 895 00:51:01.226 --> 00:51:02.227 - It's all right. 896 00:51:02.260 --> 00:51:04.061 - Come on, Ms. Norma. 897 00:51:04.095 --> 00:51:06.397 - And terrible death. 898 00:51:07.998 --> 00:51:10.568 - There is someone who would like to say 899 00:51:10.601 --> 00:51:13.471 and do something special for you today. 900 00:51:21.912 --> 00:51:24.282 - I believe I speak for all of us 901 00:51:24.315 --> 00:51:28.886 when we say we forgive you in Jesus' name. 902 00:51:33.924 --> 00:51:35.493 - It was not just a comeback. 903 00:51:35.526 --> 00:51:37.928 It was a comeback with such adulation, 904 00:51:37.962 --> 00:51:41.299 because the antis were so thrilled. 905 00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:45.836 - Jane Roe was now on our side. 906 00:51:45.870 --> 00:51:49.907 We were winning this social war. 907 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.584 - It's hard for me to imagine how she came to terms with-- 908 00:51:59.617 --> 00:52:01.085 oh, I don't know--betrayal. 909 00:52:01.118 --> 00:52:03.254 It's a betrayal that she did. 910 00:52:15.433 --> 00:52:16.967 - These are just different trinkets 911 00:52:17.001 --> 00:52:20.738 that I've held on to over the years. 912 00:52:20.771 --> 00:52:23.808 That's a big pair of gold earrings... 913 00:52:26.143 --> 00:52:30.281 A pair of diamond earrings that Connie gave me. 914 00:52:30.315 --> 00:52:33.851 When I first saw them, I went, "Oh." 915 00:52:33.884 --> 00:52:37.188 I love them. I do, I love them. 916 00:52:37.222 --> 00:52:39.757 I wore 'em day and night. 917 00:52:39.790 --> 00:52:42.893 - Did Connie used to spoil you? - Of course she did, 918 00:52:42.927 --> 00:52:46.664 and I spoiled her just as badly. 919 00:52:46.697 --> 00:52:49.334 I don't bring 'em out very often. 920 00:52:49.367 --> 00:52:51.969 Sometimes they remind me of good things. 921 00:52:52.002 --> 00:52:54.605 Sometimes they remind me of bad things, 922 00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:57.808 bad times. 923 00:53:04.849 --> 00:53:06.317 - Ms. Connie and Ms. Norma, 924 00:53:06.351 --> 00:53:09.086 they were in that relationship for a long, long time. 925 00:53:12.757 --> 00:53:14.959 But when Ms. Norma came to know Jesus, 926 00:53:14.992 --> 00:53:17.262 that meant that there's gonna be some lifestyle changes. 927 00:53:19.264 --> 00:53:22.367 And we talked to them, that homosexuality 928 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.335 destroys those who practice it 929 00:53:24.369 --> 00:53:27.004 and destroy nations that approve of that behavior, 930 00:53:27.037 --> 00:53:28.673 and God calls it a sin. 931 00:53:28.706 --> 00:53:30.675 Now, that's not me being judgmental. 932 00:53:30.708 --> 00:53:32.943 That's just what the truth is. 933 00:53:32.977 --> 00:53:35.613 Am I gonna just give in to my every desire? 934 00:53:35.646 --> 00:53:38.849 Am I gonna just eat bonbons for the rest of my life and-- 935 00:53:38.883 --> 00:53:41.185 and just grow up to be a blimp? 936 00:53:41.218 --> 00:53:44.121 Is that what--you know? And the answer is the--no. 937 00:53:44.154 --> 00:53:47.592 Well, I want bonbons. I want that. I want that. 938 00:53:47.625 --> 00:53:49.026 That's just who I am. 939 00:53:49.059 --> 00:53:52.963 I want you to let me be me. 940 00:53:52.997 --> 00:53:55.199 - But bonbons are different than love. 941 00:53:55.232 --> 00:53:57.201 - But that's not love. That's lust. 942 00:53:57.234 --> 00:54:00.004 And all you have to do is go into an emergency room 943 00:54:00.037 --> 00:54:02.407 on Friday night and early Saturday morning 944 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:06.176 to see what homosexual lust does to each other 945 00:54:06.210 --> 00:54:08.245 so that they can get their own satisfaction. 946 00:54:08.279 --> 00:54:10.415 Then after that's done, they want more. 947 00:54:10.448 --> 00:54:14.218 It just doesn't stop, so you can't call that love. 948 00:54:16.421 --> 00:54:19.490 - She knew that if it were known 949 00:54:19.524 --> 00:54:21.859 that she was a lesbian, 950 00:54:21.892 --> 00:54:24.395 she would be kicked out. 951 00:54:26.464 --> 00:54:28.933 - One cannot be 952 00:54:28.966 --> 00:54:30.901 a practicing homosexual 953 00:54:30.935 --> 00:54:32.737 and a Christian at the same time. 954 00:54:32.770 --> 00:54:35.606 That would be a distinct impossibility. 955 00:54:35.640 --> 00:54:39.043 - Connie and I are both learning every day... 956 00:54:41.446 --> 00:54:43.914 That there's certain things that we can't do 957 00:54:43.948 --> 00:54:45.583 that we used to. 958 00:55:01.799 --> 00:55:06.771 - She had to end her lesbian relationship 959 00:55:06.804 --> 00:55:10.375 and declare that she was no longer homosexual. 960 00:55:15.112 --> 00:55:16.647 - Hello. This is Father Frank Pavone, 961 00:55:16.681 --> 00:55:18.483 director of Priests for Life. 962 00:55:18.516 --> 00:55:21.018 Would you welcome with me Norma McCorvey? 963 00:55:21.051 --> 00:55:22.286 Thanks for being on the show. 964 00:55:22.319 --> 00:55:23.454 - Thank you for having me, Father. 965 00:55:23.488 --> 00:55:25.690 - So the Jane Roe of Roe versus Wade 966 00:55:25.723 --> 00:55:28.693 is now a Christian and pro-life. 967 00:55:28.726 --> 00:55:31.996 Could you tell us how that happened? 968 00:55:32.029 --> 00:55:36.100 - I was desperately ashamed of being Jane Roe 969 00:55:36.133 --> 00:55:37.868 when I was on the other side, 970 00:55:37.902 --> 00:55:39.970 and I was a real hurting person. 971 00:55:40.004 --> 00:55:43.908 I--I got involved in alcohol and drugs, 972 00:55:43.941 --> 00:55:46.611 and I lived a lesbian lifestyle, you know, 973 00:55:46.644 --> 00:55:49.814 for a number of years, but God's healed all that. 974 00:55:49.847 --> 00:55:52.116 - Praise the Lord. Wonderful. 975 00:55:58.188 --> 00:56:00.024 And it's-- it's never died down, 976 00:56:00.057 --> 00:56:02.226 and it never will. 977 00:56:08.032 --> 00:56:11.402 - They did not have any sexual relation 978 00:56:11.436 --> 00:56:13.203 after she gave her heart to Christ, 979 00:56:13.237 --> 00:56:15.640 as far as I know. 980 00:56:41.499 --> 00:56:43.768 I loved her. 981 00:56:43.801 --> 00:56:46.203 I did. I loved her with all my heart. 982 00:56:46.236 --> 00:56:47.838 She was a good person. 983 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:51.809 One part of me says, 984 00:56:51.842 --> 00:56:55.946 I hope that she's not in misery like she was, 985 00:56:55.980 --> 00:56:58.215 but then another part of me says, 986 00:56:58.248 --> 00:57:02.386 I wish I could see her, 987 00:57:02.419 --> 00:57:04.421 so... 988 00:57:35.720 --> 00:57:39.423 - Please welcome the amazing Ms. Norma McCorvey, 989 00:57:39.456 --> 00:57:41.225 former Jane Roe. 990 00:57:47.031 --> 00:57:50.968 - I have vowed to help do anything 991 00:57:51.001 --> 00:57:56.106 and everything I can do to overturn Roe versus Wade. 992 00:57:56.140 --> 00:57:57.608 - Norma McCorvey and a team of lawyers 993 00:57:57.642 --> 00:58:00.210 will argue before the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals 994 00:58:00.244 --> 00:58:02.580 that Roe v. Wade should be overturned. 995 00:58:02.613 --> 00:58:06.116 - We filed over 5,000 testimonies from women 996 00:58:06.150 --> 00:58:08.819 who've gone through legalized abortion. 997 00:58:08.853 --> 00:58:10.154 A lot of their lives have been 998 00:58:10.187 --> 00:58:11.956 just absolutely miserable since then. 999 00:58:11.989 --> 00:58:14.158 - You know, there were enough bad things happening. 1000 00:58:14.191 --> 00:58:16.761 For that to be happening, it was one thing I just, 1001 00:58:16.794 --> 00:58:18.128 like, didn't put on my plate, 'cause I-- 1002 00:58:18.162 --> 00:58:20.130 I couldn't do anything about it, 1003 00:58:20.164 --> 00:58:22.199 so it was like, "Oh, what? It's Norma." 1004 00:58:22.232 --> 00:58:24.501 - Hello. I'm Norma McCorvey. 1005 00:58:24.535 --> 00:58:26.136 Today as a born-again Christian 1006 00:58:26.170 --> 00:58:29.173 and a faithful Catholic, I'm working to reverse Roe. 1007 00:58:29.206 --> 00:58:30.841 Your vote could determine 1008 00:58:30.875 --> 00:58:32.843 who the next Supreme Court justice will be, 1009 00:58:32.877 --> 00:58:35.179 the one justice who can either vote to continue Roe 1010 00:58:35.212 --> 00:58:38.248 as the law of the land or vote to overturn that decision. 1011 00:58:38.282 --> 00:58:40.618 all: Now and at the hour of our death. 1012 00:58:40.651 --> 00:58:43.120 - Well, I came here to show my support for life 1013 00:58:43.153 --> 00:58:45.756 and to get arrested along with all the other saints. 1014 00:58:45.790 --> 00:58:47.257 - You're under arrest for trespassing. 1015 00:58:47.291 --> 00:58:48.693 - Blessed art thou among women. - Clear the sidewalk. 1016 00:58:48.726 --> 00:58:51.295 - God bless you, Norma. We're praying for you, sister. 1017 00:58:51.328 --> 00:58:53.898 - Norma McCorvey has been arrested. 1018 00:58:53.931 --> 00:58:55.600 - Hopefully it'll bring a killing to a stop. 1019 00:58:55.633 --> 00:58:59.837 - She's American. We're Americans. 1020 00:58:59.870 --> 00:59:03.307 - We were in a lot of places together. 1021 00:59:03.340 --> 00:59:05.542 We were together for a whole week 1022 00:59:05.576 --> 00:59:08.212 in Jackson, Mississippi, in 2006. 1023 00:59:09.446 --> 00:59:11.682 Hundreds of folks gathered around, 1024 00:59:11.716 --> 00:59:16.520 and we were burning the homosexual flag, 1025 00:59:16.553 --> 00:59:19.189 Roe versus Wade, 1026 00:59:19.223 --> 00:59:21.726 and the Koran. 1027 00:59:24.228 --> 00:59:28.198 - I can't speculate as to why she did what she did. 1028 00:59:28.232 --> 00:59:31.068 Now, whether she really believes that, 1029 00:59:31.101 --> 00:59:33.604 I don't know. 1030 00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:57.728 This is my deathbed confession. 1031 01:00:04.268 --> 01:00:05.736 Okay. 1032 01:00:13.543 --> 01:00:17.081 - Did they use you as a trophy? - Of course. 1033 01:00:17.114 --> 01:00:18.783 I was the big fish. 1034 01:00:21.852 --> 01:00:23.821 I was the big fish. 1035 01:00:26.623 --> 01:00:29.426 - Do you think they would say that you used them? 1036 01:00:29.459 --> 01:00:32.062 - Well, I think it was a mutual thing. 1037 01:00:32.096 --> 01:00:34.598 You know, I took their money, and they put me out 1038 01:00:34.631 --> 01:00:36.366 in front of the cameras and told me what to say, 1039 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.770 and that's what I'd say. 1040 01:00:39.804 --> 01:00:42.606 - Wow. 1041 01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:44.474 - I took their money, and they put me out 1042 01:00:44.508 --> 01:00:46.911 in front of the cameras and told me what to say, 1043 01:00:46.944 --> 01:00:50.614 and that's what I'd say. 1044 01:00:50.647 --> 01:00:52.482 - Wow. 1045 01:00:53.450 --> 01:00:54.985 Wow. 1046 01:00:56.653 --> 01:00:59.656 - Give me an example of what you'd say. 1047 01:01:01.491 --> 01:01:05.229 - "We've gathered here today 1048 01:01:05.262 --> 01:01:09.233 "to pay homage to the children 1049 01:01:09.266 --> 01:01:12.469 "that are being aborted in this abortuary. 1050 01:01:14.171 --> 01:01:18.542 "We're doing this because abortion is wrong, 1051 01:01:18.575 --> 01:01:23.013 "and I, as the former Jane Roe of Roe versus Wade, 1052 01:01:23.047 --> 01:01:27.517 "do regret signing the affidavit 1053 01:01:27.551 --> 01:01:31.856 for the pro-abortion camps," and that was probably about it. 1054 01:01:31.889 --> 01:01:34.725 - It was all an act? - Yeah. 1055 01:01:34.759 --> 01:01:36.193 I did it well, too. 1056 01:01:38.963 --> 01:01:40.697 I am a good actress. 1057 01:01:40.731 --> 01:01:42.767 Of course, I'm not acting now. 1058 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:44.534 I did it well too. 1059 01:01:49.339 --> 01:01:53.177 That's--that really hurts, because... 1060 01:01:53.210 --> 01:01:57.214 Shakes. 1061 01:01:57.247 --> 01:01:58.348 It's big stakes. That's all. 1062 01:01:58.382 --> 01:02:01.385 It's just really big stakes. 1063 01:02:04.421 --> 01:02:09.894 - I had never heard her say anything like this, never. 1064 01:02:13.697 --> 01:02:18.635 But I know what we were doing, 1065 01:02:18.668 --> 01:02:22.606 and there were times I was sure she knew. 1066 01:02:25.409 --> 01:02:28.112 And I wondered... 1067 01:02:28.145 --> 01:02:30.147 "Is she playing us?" 1068 01:02:32.549 --> 01:02:36.020 What I didn't have the guts to say was, 1069 01:02:36.053 --> 01:02:39.123 "Because I know damn well we're playing her." 1070 01:02:42.326 --> 01:02:46.897 What we did with Norma was highly unethical. 1071 01:02:46.931 --> 01:02:49.733 The jig is up. 1072 01:02:56.140 --> 01:02:59.109 - Would it be correct to say that Norma was targeted? 1073 01:03:01.545 --> 01:03:04.081 - Sure, Norma was a target. 1074 01:03:04.114 --> 01:03:06.750 She was less defended, 1075 01:03:06.783 --> 01:03:09.286 more needy. 1076 01:03:10.387 --> 01:03:11.989 That was easy to detect, 1077 01:03:12.022 --> 01:03:14.258 especially for those of us who were clergy. 1078 01:03:14.291 --> 01:03:16.961 We were used to those kinds of personalities. 1079 01:03:16.994 --> 01:03:18.462 - I got us a tape. 1080 01:03:18.495 --> 01:03:23.400 - We saw that her greatest weaknesses 1081 01:03:23.433 --> 01:03:26.603 could be exploited. 1082 01:03:28.338 --> 01:03:31.141 - Was she told what to say? 1083 01:03:33.810 --> 01:03:37.614 Norma was coached in what to say. 1084 01:03:37.647 --> 01:03:40.450 We were concerned that Norma 1085 01:03:40.484 --> 01:03:43.387 might not be rock-solid 1086 01:03:43.420 --> 01:03:46.790 on the rights of the unborn child. 1087 01:03:46.823 --> 01:03:50.794 We weren't sure where she kind of stood on that. 1088 01:03:50.827 --> 01:03:54.965 - If a young woman wants to have an abortion, fine. 1089 01:03:54.999 --> 01:03:58.035 You know, it's no skin off my ass. 1090 01:03:59.336 --> 01:04:02.306 You know, that's why they call it choice. 1091 01:04:02.339 --> 01:04:04.341 It's your choice. 1092 01:04:04.374 --> 01:04:06.843 - Is it not the case that you did know 1093 01:04:06.877 --> 01:04:08.678 where she stood on that? 1094 01:04:08.712 --> 01:04:10.948 - Mm. 1095 01:04:10.981 --> 01:04:12.482 Let me start again. 1096 01:04:12.516 --> 01:04:15.652 I haven't talked about this ever publicly. 1097 01:04:15.685 --> 01:04:17.988 This is a first. 1098 01:04:20.057 --> 01:04:23.793 We were afraid that Norma 1099 01:04:23.827 --> 01:04:28.432 might kind of spill the beans and tell our audience 1100 01:04:28.465 --> 01:04:31.168 and the world through the news coverage 1101 01:04:31.201 --> 01:04:33.670 that women had a right 1102 01:04:33.703 --> 01:04:35.439 to abortion in the first trimester. 1103 01:04:35.472 --> 01:04:38.875 That was unacceptable, 1104 01:04:38.909 --> 01:04:42.212 so we wanted to control her speech 1105 01:04:42.246 --> 01:04:44.714 to make sure she didn't say that. 1106 01:04:44.748 --> 01:04:48.452 - Was she being paid by Operation Rescue? 1107 01:04:48.485 --> 01:04:51.956 - No. No, she was not. 1108 01:04:55.759 --> 01:04:57.594 - Yes, Norma would be paid. 1109 01:04:59.229 --> 01:05:02.532 At a few points, she was actually on the payroll, 1110 01:05:02.566 --> 01:05:03.867 so to speak. 1111 01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:05.802 You know, there were so many different elements 1112 01:05:05.835 --> 01:05:09.940 of the movement that were cutting checks to Norma. 1113 01:05:11.408 --> 01:05:13.743 I--I really will never know 1114 01:05:13.777 --> 01:05:15.879 how much was actually given to her. 1115 01:05:19.883 --> 01:05:22.786 Money was a constant source of tension. 1116 01:05:24.254 --> 01:05:26.756 And Norma would complain that she wasn't 1117 01:05:26.790 --> 01:05:28.925 getting enough money. 1118 01:05:28.959 --> 01:05:33.430 Her complaints were met with checks, 1119 01:05:33.463 --> 01:05:38.302 several hundred dollars to a few thousand at a time... 1120 01:05:39.970 --> 01:05:43.707 What we called "benevolence gifts." 1121 01:05:43.740 --> 01:05:48.145 There was some worry that if Norma wasn't paid sufficiently 1122 01:05:48.178 --> 01:05:50.447 that she would go back to the other side. 1123 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:52.416 - She did it for the money. 1124 01:05:52.449 --> 01:05:55.685 She said what they wanted her to say, 1125 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:57.621 and she was willing to do it. 1126 01:05:57.654 --> 01:05:59.656 - If Norma was being paid 1127 01:05:59.689 --> 01:06:02.526 and she was being told what to say, 1128 01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:04.461 do you see how it would be difficult for people 1129 01:06:04.494 --> 01:06:08.232 to believe any of the things she said during that era? 1130 01:06:08.265 --> 01:06:10.667 - Yes, yes. 1131 01:06:10.700 --> 01:06:12.469 One day you're selling Nissan, 1132 01:06:12.502 --> 01:06:14.771 and the next day you're selling Chevys. 1133 01:06:14.804 --> 01:06:16.906 It depends on who you're getting your paycheck from. 1134 01:06:16.940 --> 01:06:19.009 - Well, yeah, but she chose to be used. 1135 01:06:19.043 --> 01:06:20.344 That's called work. 1136 01:06:20.377 --> 01:06:21.745 That's what--you're getting paid for doing this. 1137 01:06:21.778 --> 01:06:24.548 Are they using you? Who's using you? 1138 01:06:24.581 --> 01:06:27.151 Who has hired you to do this thing? 1139 01:06:27.184 --> 01:06:29.619 Are they using you, or are you using them? 1140 01:06:29.653 --> 01:06:30.787 Which one? 1141 01:06:31.888 --> 01:06:35.125 - You know, for Christians like me... 1142 01:06:38.962 --> 01:06:42.432 There is no more important 1143 01:06:42.466 --> 01:06:44.168 or authoritative voice 1144 01:06:44.201 --> 01:06:47.471 than Jesus, and He said, 1145 01:06:47.504 --> 01:06:52.008 "What does it profit a man 1146 01:06:52.042 --> 01:06:55.645 "if he should gain the whole world 1147 01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.682 and lose his soul?" 1148 01:07:04.188 --> 01:07:08.358 When you do what we did to Norma... 1149 01:07:10.494 --> 01:07:12.496 You lose your soul. 1150 01:07:21.771 --> 01:07:26.343 - We're gonna go in there and have cosmetic surgery. 1151 01:07:26.376 --> 01:07:29.413 Oh, that feels good. 1152 01:07:29.446 --> 01:07:31.848 - Would you like something to drink? 1153 01:07:31.881 --> 01:07:34.218 - I'll take a mimosa. 1154 01:07:34.251 --> 01:07:36.520 Oh, thank you. 1155 01:07:45.595 --> 01:07:46.896 Oh. 1156 01:07:46.930 --> 01:07:50.867 Well, gee, someone drank all mine. 1157 01:07:53.503 --> 01:07:55.405 - We're about to get a lot more results. 1158 01:07:55.439 --> 01:07:57.741 Stand by. We're gonna go over to John King. 1159 01:07:57.774 --> 01:08:01.077 - I wish I knew how many abortions 1160 01:08:01.111 --> 01:08:05.249 Donald Trump was responsible for. 1161 01:08:05.282 --> 01:08:08.485 I'm sure he's lost count, 1162 01:08:08.518 --> 01:08:11.221 you know, or if he can count that high. 1163 01:08:11.255 --> 01:08:14.191 - More results coming in from Kentucky right now. 1164 01:08:14.224 --> 01:08:18.895 - I want Hillary Clinton to be the president tonight. 1165 01:08:18.928 --> 01:08:20.029 - All right, take a look at this... 1166 01:08:20.063 --> 01:08:21.565 - There we go. 1167 01:08:21.598 --> 01:08:23.567 - Hillary Clinton has now taken the lead in Florida 1168 01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:24.934 and North Carolina. 1169 01:08:24.968 --> 01:08:29.673 - No, Roe isn't going anywhere, no. 1170 01:08:29.706 --> 01:08:34.478 It's not going to be tampered with. 1171 01:08:34.511 --> 01:08:37.147 They can try, 1172 01:08:37.181 --> 01:08:39.883 but it's not happening, baby. 1173 01:08:50.126 --> 01:08:52.596 Shit. 1174 01:08:52.629 --> 01:08:56.433 "Donald Trump will become the 45th president 1175 01:08:56.466 --> 01:08:59.469 of the United States." 1176 01:08:59.503 --> 01:09:02.339 When I found out this morning, 1177 01:09:02.372 --> 01:09:05.475 I just started shaking, I mean, you know, trembling. 1178 01:09:07.344 --> 01:09:10.214 It's almost-- 1179 01:09:10.247 --> 01:09:14.918 it's almost dark inside my brain. 1180 01:09:14.951 --> 01:09:17.187 Yeah, I'm gonna go get sick. 1181 01:09:29.833 --> 01:09:32.802 - I still identify as an evangelical, 1182 01:09:32.836 --> 01:09:34.003 but I like to think of myself 1183 01:09:34.037 --> 01:09:38.808 as lovingly critical of my community. 1184 01:09:38.842 --> 01:09:43.347 I guess in some ways I'd like to use whatever years 1185 01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:46.149 I have remaining to undo 1186 01:09:46.182 --> 01:09:49.052 the damage that I did 1187 01:09:49.085 --> 01:09:51.688 and that many movement leaders did 1188 01:09:51.721 --> 01:09:53.490 on the pro-life side. 1189 01:09:56.226 --> 01:09:58.295 I used to think that Roe v. Wade 1190 01:09:58.328 --> 01:10:01.030 would never be overturned. 1191 01:10:01.064 --> 01:10:06.002 I think Roe v. Wade could be overturned now, 1192 01:10:06.035 --> 01:10:09.273 and I think the result of that 1193 01:10:09.306 --> 01:10:14.544 would be chaos and pain, 1194 01:10:14.578 --> 01:10:16.513 and to impose that kind of crisis 1195 01:10:16.546 --> 01:10:20.850 on a woman is unthinkable. 1196 01:10:37.501 --> 01:10:39.135 - I know you are. 1197 01:10:41.405 --> 01:10:46.075 - I know you're leaving, and I love you very much, 1198 01:10:46.109 --> 01:10:48.412 and I'm glad that you were my mom 1199 01:10:48.445 --> 01:10:51.881 and that I got to have this time with you. 1200 01:10:51.915 --> 01:10:56.219 But the time we've had, I really have enjoyed you. 1201 01:11:23.613 --> 01:11:26.249 - We love you too, Mom. 1202 01:11:39.829 --> 01:11:42.265 - The woman whose case led to the Roe v. Wade 1203 01:11:42.298 --> 01:11:45.569 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion has died. 1204 01:11:47.637 --> 01:11:49.606 - The Texas native later expressed remorse 1205 01:11:49.639 --> 01:11:51.107 for her role in the case. 1206 01:11:51.140 --> 01:11:54.544 - In 1995 McCorvey converted to evangelical Christianity. 1207 01:11:54.578 --> 01:11:58.181 She became a passionate pro-life advocate. 1208 01:11:58.214 --> 01:12:01.985 - Politically, Roe versus Wade has also remained divisive. 1209 01:12:02.018 --> 01:12:05.789 The question now is, could it be overturned? 1210 01:12:05.822 --> 01:12:08.324 - I was sad to hear the news of her passing. 1211 01:12:08.358 --> 01:12:10.994 From a policy standpoint, 1212 01:12:11.027 --> 01:12:12.295 I think we're in a dangerous spot 1213 01:12:12.328 --> 01:12:14.798 when it comes to a woman's right to choose. 1214 01:12:14.831 --> 01:12:16.132 - She has left a legacy 1215 01:12:16.165 --> 01:12:17.934 that has helped to protect millions of women. 1216 01:12:17.967 --> 01:12:19.869 - Absolutely. Gloria Allred, thank you so much. 1217 01:12:19.903 --> 01:12:21.170 I appreciate your time. - Thank you. 1218 01:12:21.204 --> 01:12:23.339 - Thank you. 1219 01:12:40.724 --> 01:12:43.527 - I have been in so many church services with Ms. Norma, 1220 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:48.164 and this is as quiet as she has been that I can remember. 1221 01:12:48.197 --> 01:12:50.166 When she was baptized, she came out a new person. 1222 01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:53.703 It looked like she'd dropped 30 years from her life. 1223 01:12:53.737 --> 01:12:56.673 It was just the sunshine and the radiance of Almighty God 1224 01:12:56.706 --> 01:12:59.175 just pouring out of her, and you... 1225 01:12:59.208 --> 01:13:02.211 - I was quietly hoping that this 1226 01:13:02.245 --> 01:13:04.280 would end up a kind of intimate affair 1227 01:13:04.313 --> 01:13:07.551 where we would really reflect honestly, 1228 01:13:07.584 --> 01:13:11.488 candidly about the woman we knew 1229 01:13:11.521 --> 01:13:13.189 as Norma McCorvey. 1230 01:13:13.222 --> 01:13:15.792 - And the poster child for the pro-choice movement. 1231 01:13:15.825 --> 01:13:20.329 - Norma's funeral was the last public event 1232 01:13:20.363 --> 01:13:23.066 where she was exploited 1233 01:13:23.099 --> 01:13:25.702 as a trophy for the movement, 1234 01:13:25.735 --> 01:13:29.873 as a cardboard cutout. 1235 01:13:29.906 --> 01:13:32.208 - This is the truth that sets people free, 1236 01:13:32.241 --> 01:13:34.811 and it was the truth that set her free. 1237 01:13:34.844 --> 01:13:36.913 - They're assholes. 1238 01:13:36.946 --> 01:13:40.216 They act-- they all act like God sent them 1239 01:13:40.249 --> 01:13:42.251 to preach the Gospel. 1240 01:13:44.253 --> 01:13:47.223 - We're going to hear some quick reflections now 1241 01:13:47.256 --> 01:13:52.028 from her daughter Melissa and granddaughter Jordan. 1242 01:13:53.863 --> 01:13:55.832 - I just want to tell everybody thank you 1243 01:13:55.865 --> 01:13:57.867 for all your love and support for her 1244 01:13:57.901 --> 01:14:01.270 and everything everybody's done for her in the past. 1245 01:14:01.304 --> 01:14:03.807 The last few months of her life, 1246 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.609 she started a documentary 1247 01:14:05.642 --> 01:14:08.912 to show who she was in the end and-- 1248 01:14:08.945 --> 01:14:12.115 and as a person, just Norma. 1249 01:14:12.148 --> 01:14:15.952 - Her whole life was an attempt 1250 01:14:15.985 --> 01:14:18.655 to tell her real story. 1251 01:14:18.688 --> 01:14:21.290 That never really happened. 1252 01:14:21.324 --> 01:14:24.227 I hope it can posthumously. 1253 01:14:25.595 --> 01:14:28.732 - God has a plan for everyone's life. 1254 01:14:28.765 --> 01:14:30.600 It was written in the Book of Life 1255 01:14:30.634 --> 01:14:33.369 that I get stomped on and shit on 1256 01:14:33.402 --> 01:14:35.705 and everything like that, 1257 01:14:35.739 --> 01:14:38.942 but then in the end I would prevail. 1258 01:14:40.677 --> 01:14:42.946 - Some of you knew Norma as Ms. Norma. 1259 01:14:42.979 --> 01:14:44.681 Some of you knew her as Jane Roe, 1260 01:14:44.714 --> 01:14:46.950 but I knew her as Grandma Mame. 1261 01:14:46.983 --> 01:14:49.986 Mame had a very unique way of making people laugh and smile. 1262 01:14:50.019 --> 01:14:54.123 It may not have always been the most appropriate comments, 1263 01:14:54.157 --> 01:14:57.493 but she always noted what no one else would say. 1264 01:14:57.527 --> 01:14:59.563 My grandmother taught me to believe in myself 1265 01:14:59.596 --> 01:15:02.031 and to stand up for what I believed in. 1266 01:15:03.833 --> 01:15:05.969 - Women have been having abortions 1267 01:15:06.002 --> 01:15:07.971 for thousands of years. 1268 01:15:08.004 --> 01:15:10.640 If it's just the woman's choice, then-- 1269 01:15:10.674 --> 01:15:14.110 and she chooses to have an abortion, 1270 01:15:14.143 --> 01:15:15.478 then it should be safe. 1271 01:15:15.511 --> 01:15:18.915 Roe versus Wade helps save women's lives. 1272 01:15:24.788 --> 01:15:28.658 - I couldn't agree more with Norma. 1273 01:15:34.463 --> 01:15:37.867 Unless you can put yourself 1274 01:15:37.901 --> 01:15:42.839 in the mind of a woman facing a pregnancy 1275 01:15:42.872 --> 01:15:45.909 she is not ready for, 1276 01:15:45.942 --> 01:15:49.846 you cannot pronounce 1277 01:15:49.879 --> 01:15:51.414 what she must do. 1278 01:15:56.085 --> 01:15:59.022 - I don't really give a damn what people think. 1279 01:15:59.055 --> 01:16:00.657 It's my mind. 1280 01:16:00.690 --> 01:16:03.627 They can't tell me how to think. 1281 01:16:03.660 --> 01:16:05.561 They can't tell me what to say. 1282 01:16:08.331 --> 01:16:12.101 And they damn sure can't tell me what to do. 1283 01:16:18.574 --> 01:16:21.577 That's the name of that game. 1284 01:19:35.972 --> 01:19:38.207 MAN: I had no idea what I would find 1285 01:19:38.241 --> 01:19:40.043 when I went searching for my father. 1286 01:19:40.076 --> 01:19:42.846 They flashed the Zodiac Killer, and my heart stopped. 1287 01:19:42.879 --> 01:19:45.581 WOMAN: He believes he is the son of the Zodiac. 1288 01:19:51.988 --> 01:19:53.957 I would like to explore the idea 1289 01:19:53.990 --> 01:19:55.724 of tokenism in the workplace, 1290 01:19:55.758 --> 01:19:58.127 where one minority is propped up 1291 01:19:58.161 --> 01:20:00.796 to cover the experience of the entire population. 1292 01:20:00.830 --> 01:20:02.231 WOMAN: That's interesting. 1293 01:20:02.265 --> 01:20:04.267 Wait. Sorry. You're not saying you feel that way here? 1294 01:20:04.834 --> 01:20:05.835 (inhales) 1295 01:20:14.210 --> 01:20:15.278 What is Devs? 1296 01:20:17.513 --> 01:20:18.948 What is Devs? 1297 01:20:18.982 --> 01:20:20.083 What is Devs? 1298 01:20:21.517 --> 01:20:23.286 What is Devs? 1299 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:24.253 (horn honks) 1300 01:20:24.287 --> 01:20:25.154 What is Devs? 1301 01:20:25.855 --> 01:20:27.123 What is Devs? 1302 01:20:28.091 --> 01:20:29.292 What is Devs? 1303 01:20:44.473 --> 01:20:46.142 GUILLERMO: The journey was perilous, 1304 01:20:46.175 --> 01:20:49.845 but Nandor the Relentless stood tall and proud. 1305 01:20:49.879 --> 01:20:54.350 Thus, the noble vampire set sail to conquer the new world 1306 01:20:54.383 --> 01:20:56.685 for the greater glory of the undead. 1307 01:20:56.719 --> 01:21:00.089 -Does my hair really look that billowy? -(wind blows) 1308 01:21:00.123 --> 01:21:01.690 Looks fantastic. 1309 01:21:01.724 --> 01:21:04.160 I'd never wear anything like that. 1310 01:21:05.328 --> 01:21:07.696 (retching) 1311 01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:12.635 (gagging, coughing) 1312 01:21:12.668 --> 01:21:13.702 (squeaks)