1 00:00:00,968 --> 00:00:02,103 All right, ladies. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:02,136 --> 00:00:05,573 It's time to go in and have our voices heard. 4 00:00:05,606 --> 00:00:07,875 (crowd cheering) 5 00:00:07,908 --> 00:00:09,343 Together... 6 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 7 00:00:10,611 --> 00:00:12,546 we can take our country back! 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,877 - Oh, my fleas are waking up. 9 00:00:50,884 --> 00:00:52,220 - Oxygen? 10 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:22,216 This is my deathbed confession. 11 00:01:28,622 --> 00:01:29,690 Okay. 12 00:01:29,723 --> 00:01:31,325 - I want you to meet Jane Roe. 13 00:01:31,359 --> 00:01:33,627 - Jane Roe. - Roe, Jane Roe... 14 00:01:33,661 --> 00:01:35,229 - As in Roe v. Wade. 15 00:01:35,263 --> 00:01:37,898 - Jane Roe's case changed the country. 16 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:39,900 all: Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 17 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:41,735 Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 18 00:01:41,769 --> 00:01:44,372 Pro-choice! Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 19 00:01:44,405 --> 00:01:45,739 - Under the name Jane Roe... 20 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:48,609 - The anonymous plaintiff in the landmark Roe v. Wade 21 00:01:48,642 --> 00:01:49,810 abortion rights case... 22 00:01:49,843 --> 00:01:51,779 - Affirming a woman's right to choose... 23 00:01:51,812 --> 00:01:54,415 - Norma McCorvey... - Is by her own estimation 24 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:57,751 perhaps the most famous cleaning woman in America. 25 00:01:57,785 --> 00:01:59,753 all: Pro-choice! Freedom is... 26 00:01:59,787 --> 00:02:01,489 Pro-choice! Freedom is... 27 00:02:01,522 --> 00:02:02,756 Pro-choice! Freedom is... 28 00:02:02,790 --> 00:02:04,057 Pro-choice! 29 00:02:04,091 --> 00:02:06,594 - Norma McCorvey became the embodiment 30 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:08,262 of the pro-choice cause. 31 00:02:08,296 --> 00:02:11,665 - A perfect symbol of the movement. 32 00:02:11,699 --> 00:02:15,403 - Norma, why are you doing this? 33 00:02:15,436 --> 00:02:17,271 - Jane Roe's story was a terrible one... 34 00:02:17,305 --> 00:02:19,907 - Unmarried, pregnant, and dirt poor.. 35 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:22,443 - A drug addict and dealer, an alcoholic. 36 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:23,911 She had dabbled in the occult. 37 00:02:23,944 --> 00:02:26,146 - Norma, you've allowed the killing 38 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:28,015 of over 35 million children. 39 00:02:30,284 --> 00:02:33,754 - Abortion, one of the most divisive issues of the decade. 40 00:02:33,787 --> 00:02:35,456 - Few issues in America have generated 41 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:38,058 such strong feelings for and against. 42 00:02:38,091 --> 00:02:39,460 - Either a cherished freedom... 43 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:42,996 Or a hated target. 44 00:02:45,799 --> 00:02:47,468 - The furious battle that rages 45 00:02:47,501 --> 00:02:49,803 around all that her name has stood for. 46 00:02:52,005 --> 00:02:55,976 - Then, in the spring of 1995, the unbelievable happened. 47 00:02:56,009 --> 00:02:57,311 - An extraordinary development today 48 00:02:57,345 --> 00:02:58,646 in the politics of abortion. 49 00:02:58,679 --> 00:03:00,814 - McCorvey did something that will shock people 50 00:03:00,848 --> 00:03:02,483 on both sides of the debate. 51 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:05,986 - How did it get that bad? Explain that. 52 00:03:06,019 --> 00:03:09,790 - You couldn't have come further, could you? 53 00:03:11,359 --> 00:03:13,527 - Ms. McCorvey, what happened? 54 00:03:46,059 --> 00:03:50,731 - I'm just reading that sign over there. 55 00:03:50,764 --> 00:03:53,567 "No boats or floats, no glass containers, 56 00:03:53,601 --> 00:03:56,870 no wading or swimming, but enjoy your stay here." 57 00:03:58,772 --> 00:04:01,875 Commissioner in precinct number three, 58 00:04:01,909 --> 00:04:04,077 well, he's an asshole. 59 00:04:04,111 --> 00:04:07,548 "But outside that, you know, enjoy our park." 60 00:04:09,617 --> 00:04:12,085 Everything's got so many damn rules. 61 00:04:12,119 --> 00:04:13,854 I think they suck. 62 00:04:16,056 --> 00:04:18,392 I learned straight-on 63 00:04:18,426 --> 00:04:20,494 that if you're nice and quiet and polite, 64 00:04:20,528 --> 00:04:24,598 nobody pays any attention to you, and I like attention. 65 00:04:24,632 --> 00:04:26,867 "Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow 66 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,303 "creeps in its petty pace from day to day 67 00:04:29,337 --> 00:04:31,905 "to the last syllable of record time. 68 00:04:31,939 --> 00:04:34,542 "Ah, but what is life but an act upon the stage 69 00:04:34,575 --> 00:04:36,577 signifying nothing?" 70 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:37,745 - What's that? 71 00:04:37,778 --> 00:04:41,582 - Third act, "Macbeth," Shakespeare. 72 00:04:41,615 --> 00:04:42,750 - Why do you like that bit? 73 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:45,453 - You know, Macbeth was just a cool guy. 74 00:04:47,655 --> 00:04:49,857 Here you go, baby. 75 00:04:51,725 --> 00:04:53,494 - What did you want to be when you were young? 76 00:04:53,527 --> 00:04:55,763 - When I was young? A movie star. 77 00:04:55,796 --> 00:04:58,165 They went to all these glamorous places, 78 00:04:58,198 --> 00:05:00,033 and they got to fly on airplanes 79 00:05:00,067 --> 00:05:04,271 and smoke cigarettes out of those long cigarette holders. 80 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:07,508 I mean, it just looked like such fun. 81 00:05:09,943 --> 00:05:12,646 - Do you miss your family? 82 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,649 - You know, you can't miss anything you never had. 83 00:05:19,487 --> 00:05:22,456 I came from a very rough childhood. 84 00:05:24,958 --> 00:05:27,761 We were poor. 85 00:05:27,795 --> 00:05:31,164 It wasn't a happy time at all. 86 00:05:31,198 --> 00:05:33,467 It was always survival. 87 00:05:35,268 --> 00:05:37,438 My mom, 88 00:05:37,471 --> 00:05:40,073 she was a bitch. 89 00:05:40,107 --> 00:05:44,311 You know, she was just a two-faced bitch. 90 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:46,847 She didn't want to have a second child, me. 91 00:05:48,649 --> 00:05:52,319 It's just that simple. 92 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:55,322 She was a drunk. 93 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:57,625 She'd got a taste of the party life, 94 00:05:57,658 --> 00:05:59,493 and she didn't want to let go. 95 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:06,033 My dad just got through with it. 96 00:06:06,066 --> 00:06:09,437 He packed up his truck and took off. 97 00:06:14,074 --> 00:06:16,143 Once she started drinking, I really didn't want 98 00:06:16,176 --> 00:06:19,346 to be around her. 99 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:22,416 She'd get up, and she'd slap me. 100 00:06:24,718 --> 00:06:28,689 It would make me feel insignificant 101 00:06:28,722 --> 00:06:31,592 and worthless. 102 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,864 And so I asked my friend Rita, 103 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:39,900 "Do you want to run away with me?" 104 00:06:39,933 --> 00:06:43,704 She said, "Well, where would we run away to?" 105 00:06:43,737 --> 00:06:47,441 And I said, "Oklahoma City." 106 00:06:49,810 --> 00:06:53,581 To get to Oklahoma City, we had to rob the gas station. 107 00:06:55,949 --> 00:06:59,386 I was 10 or 11. 108 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:02,255 I went over there and opened the drawer up real quietly. 109 00:07:02,289 --> 00:07:05,926 I stuck my hand in the drawer, and I got all the money out, 110 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:08,729 and I thought, "God, I feel bad." 111 00:07:10,864 --> 00:07:15,603 The only hotel we could find was called the Black Hotel. 112 00:07:18,338 --> 00:07:22,576 The maid walked in on us and caught us kissing, 113 00:07:22,610 --> 00:07:25,178 Rita and I kissing. 114 00:07:25,212 --> 00:07:27,681 She called the police on us. 115 00:07:29,917 --> 00:07:35,255 Anytime you do anything out of the mainframe of society, 116 00:07:35,288 --> 00:07:37,558 it's considered dirty. 117 00:07:37,591 --> 00:07:40,594 - She ran away with another girl 118 00:07:40,628 --> 00:07:42,930 and was arrested, 119 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:46,233 basically, in the Oklahoma City hotel room 120 00:07:46,266 --> 00:07:48,001 where they'd scammed their way in. 121 00:07:51,138 --> 00:07:55,275 By and by, a police detective came by, 122 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:57,010 took Norma aside, 123 00:07:57,044 --> 00:08:00,113 told her she was in big trouble, 124 00:08:00,147 --> 00:08:03,383 and asked her if she had committed sodomy, 125 00:08:03,416 --> 00:08:06,319 so she said no, 126 00:08:06,353 --> 00:08:08,121 and then she turned to him and said, 127 00:08:08,155 --> 00:08:13,226 "Are you asking whether I put my hand in her underpants? 128 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:15,529 Yeah, I did that." 129 00:08:19,867 --> 00:08:21,301 - Eventually, they sent me 130 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:24,772 to Gainesville State School for Girls. 131 00:08:24,805 --> 00:08:26,774 It's a reform school. 132 00:08:26,807 --> 00:08:29,042 You go there to get reformed 133 00:08:29,076 --> 00:08:32,179 if you've been bad. 134 00:08:34,615 --> 00:08:36,149 I was, like, so young. 135 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:38,351 I was sentenced at ten years old, 136 00:08:38,385 --> 00:08:41,354 and I resented it a great deal, 137 00:08:41,388 --> 00:08:44,692 but once I got there and I saw 138 00:08:44,725 --> 00:08:47,160 that it wasn't a dungeon, 139 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:50,631 it was okay. 140 00:08:50,664 --> 00:08:53,533 Gainesville was a trip... 141 00:08:53,567 --> 00:08:55,669 It's wall-to-wall women. 142 00:08:58,205 --> 00:09:02,009 My God, I never saw so many boobs in my life... 143 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,683 Tons of girlfriends. 144 00:09:09,717 --> 00:09:12,052 I stayed there till I was 15. 145 00:09:14,655 --> 00:09:16,523 - Just after she'd come back from reform school, 146 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,626 she was farmed out 147 00:09:18,659 --> 00:09:21,662 to live with somebody who had an extra room. 148 00:09:25,198 --> 00:09:28,969 - A relative. 149 00:09:29,002 --> 00:09:34,407 - And she was sexually abused by that--that man. 150 00:09:39,446 --> 00:09:42,482 - I was just a kid. 151 00:09:45,118 --> 00:09:46,887 It was extremely hard for me to tell my mom 152 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,023 what he was doing to me. 153 00:09:50,057 --> 00:09:53,927 - It completely messed up her feelings 154 00:09:53,961 --> 00:09:56,029 about love and acceptance. 155 00:09:56,063 --> 00:10:00,500 - I felt like I was out in the cold. 156 00:10:00,533 --> 00:10:02,870 - There were many instances in her early life 157 00:10:02,903 --> 00:10:06,106 where she really was seriously exploited 158 00:10:06,139 --> 00:10:08,508 and harmed and abused, 159 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:11,378 so I think she became used to that idea. 160 00:10:11,411 --> 00:10:14,414 That sort of became her identity in a way, 161 00:10:14,447 --> 00:10:17,084 and she never went and got really help 162 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:19,086 to deal with the abuses. 163 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:22,723 You know, those don't go away. 164 00:10:39,506 --> 00:10:43,110 - This is my room at the nursing home. 165 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:45,612 That's a picture of Jesus. 166 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:47,480 He's my boyfriend. 167 00:10:49,649 --> 00:10:53,120 This reminds me of the pyramids of Egypt, 168 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:55,989 and then this is a little number 169 00:10:56,023 --> 00:10:58,125 that I picked up at a flea market. 170 00:10:58,158 --> 00:11:00,794 I'm a very glamorous person. 171 00:11:00,828 --> 00:11:03,764 I can't help it. It's a gift. 172 00:11:03,797 --> 00:11:06,700 These are my house shoes that my daughter brought me. 173 00:11:06,734 --> 00:11:08,335 - They're quite femme. 174 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:10,637 - Yeah, I guess they are. 175 00:11:10,670 --> 00:11:15,442 I would consider myself more butch than I would femme. 176 00:11:15,475 --> 00:11:20,080 Reason beings--well, I can't tell you the reason. 177 00:11:21,915 --> 00:11:25,753 I spend most of my days now coloring. 178 00:11:25,786 --> 00:11:28,856 I try to keep away from people. 179 00:11:28,889 --> 00:11:33,526 I was here five months before they even got a handle on me, 180 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:38,265 and I was very happy just being Norma McCorvey, 181 00:11:38,298 --> 00:11:40,500 but now that they know that I'm Jane Roe, 182 00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:43,503 or AKA Jane Roe, 183 00:11:43,536 --> 00:11:46,974 um...I feel as though they look at me differently. 184 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,682 It was 1969. 185 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:00,888 I was pregnant for the second time out of wedlock. 186 00:12:03,356 --> 00:12:06,894 I was a street person, 187 00:12:06,927 --> 00:12:09,196 a drug addict. 188 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:11,731 I was a drunk. 189 00:12:11,765 --> 00:12:15,602 I had told the doctor that I had been raped. 190 00:12:15,635 --> 00:12:18,705 That's why I wanted to have an abortion. 191 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:24,845 "Norma," he says, "Tell me about the rape," 192 00:12:24,878 --> 00:12:27,414 and he asked me a series of questions like, 193 00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:30,984 "Well, the man who raped you, was he black?" 194 00:12:31,018 --> 00:12:33,787 What difference does it make? 195 00:12:33,821 --> 00:12:36,256 I was raped, period. 196 00:12:38,358 --> 00:12:41,995 I went to the illegal underground abortion doctor 197 00:12:42,029 --> 00:12:45,398 in an old, rundown part of Dallas. 198 00:12:46,566 --> 00:12:50,603 It was filth and cockroaches. 199 00:12:50,637 --> 00:12:53,140 I was scared. 200 00:12:53,173 --> 00:12:56,944 A lot of women didn't make it out. 201 00:12:56,977 --> 00:12:59,079 They would bleed to death. 202 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:05,618 I got out while I could. 203 00:13:09,656 --> 00:13:12,559 I went to an adoption attorney, 204 00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:14,561 and then he told me about these two attorneys, 205 00:13:14,594 --> 00:13:16,930 Sarah Weddington and Linda Coffee, 206 00:13:16,964 --> 00:13:20,633 who had just recently graduated law school, 207 00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:22,469 and they were looking for a plaintiff 208 00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:26,473 to help them overturn the Texas abortion laws. 209 00:13:26,506 --> 00:13:29,542 - They needed a poor woman who could not afford 210 00:13:29,576 --> 00:13:33,446 to travel to one of the states where abortion was legal. 211 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,483 She was the person who really fit all the criterion 212 00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:38,718 that they needed. 213 00:13:38,751 --> 00:13:40,320 - Sarah says, "Do you think that women 214 00:13:40,353 --> 00:13:42,622 should have the right to control their own bodies?" 215 00:13:46,693 --> 00:13:49,662 I know how I felt 216 00:13:49,696 --> 00:13:51,831 when I found out that I was pregnant. 217 00:13:56,669 --> 00:13:59,506 And I wasn't gonna let 218 00:13:59,539 --> 00:14:02,009 another woman feel that way, 219 00:14:02,042 --> 00:14:05,678 not cheap, dirty, and no-good. 220 00:14:05,712 --> 00:14:07,680 Women make mistakes, 221 00:14:07,714 --> 00:14:12,319 and they make mistakes with men, and things happen, 222 00:14:12,352 --> 00:14:14,854 so it's just-- 223 00:14:14,888 --> 00:14:18,091 it's just Mother Nature at work, you know? 224 00:14:18,125 --> 00:14:21,694 And you can't-- 225 00:14:21,728 --> 00:14:24,197 you can't stop it. 226 00:14:24,231 --> 00:14:26,699 You can't explain it. 227 00:14:26,733 --> 00:14:28,835 It's just something that happens. 228 00:14:36,509 --> 00:14:40,247 I signed the affidavit that brought Roe versus Wade 229 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,584 into being March of 1970. 230 00:14:45,785 --> 00:14:49,256 - We'll hear arguments for Roe against Wade. 231 00:15:22,089 --> 00:15:23,123 Thank you. 232 00:16:18,178 --> 00:16:20,213 - We do not ask this court 233 00:16:20,247 --> 00:16:23,250 to rule that abortion is good or desirable. 234 00:16:23,283 --> 00:16:25,952 We are here to advocate that the decision 235 00:16:25,985 --> 00:16:28,388 as to whether or not a particular woman 236 00:16:28,421 --> 00:16:31,458 will continue to carry or will terminate a pregnancy 237 00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:35,328 is a decision that should be made by that individual. 238 00:16:46,406 --> 00:16:48,275 - Good evening. In a landmark ruling, 239 00:16:48,308 --> 00:16:52,145 the Supreme Court today legalized abortion. 240 00:16:52,179 --> 00:16:55,215 The majority had said that the decision to end a pregnancy 241 00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:59,018 belongs to the woman and her doctor, not the government. 242 00:17:01,421 --> 00:17:03,356 - What the court decided was that women 243 00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:05,958 all over the country in every state 244 00:17:05,992 --> 00:17:10,397 would have the right to choose abortion 245 00:17:10,430 --> 00:17:12,499 and that in the first trimester 246 00:17:12,532 --> 00:17:14,801 the state could not interfere. 247 00:17:16,703 --> 00:17:19,206 - I read about the decision in the paper 248 00:17:19,239 --> 00:17:22,275 like mostly everybody else did. 249 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:27,114 My phone rang. 250 00:17:27,147 --> 00:17:29,282 It was Sarah, 251 00:17:29,316 --> 00:17:32,419 and she said, "We won," 252 00:17:32,452 --> 00:17:36,923 and I said, "No, Sarah, you won." 253 00:17:36,956 --> 00:17:39,159 She says, "Well, I thought that maybe 254 00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:41,328 you would be excited." 255 00:17:41,361 --> 00:17:44,131 And I said, "Why would I be excited? 256 00:17:44,164 --> 00:17:49,102 "I had a baby, but I gave her away. 257 00:17:49,136 --> 00:17:52,805 It's for all the women to come after me." 258 00:18:06,286 --> 00:18:09,522 - Okay, we're off to the abortion mill. 259 00:18:09,556 --> 00:18:12,192 They've been killing babies for a long, long time. 260 00:18:12,225 --> 00:18:16,062 - What was it that spurred you to become an activist? 261 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:18,265 - I'm not an activist. I'm a Christian. 262 00:18:18,298 --> 00:18:21,067 Now, I was an activist when I was protesting 263 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:23,170 the Vietnam War, when we were out there, 264 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:27,640 "One, two, three, four, we don't want your effing war." 265 00:18:29,142 --> 00:18:31,110 I owned a saloon called the Mad Hatter 266 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:32,579 down in Kissimmee, Florida. 267 00:18:32,612 --> 00:18:35,782 I was just a drunken, alcoholic buffoon 268 00:18:35,815 --> 00:18:38,718 who was absolutely pro-death. 269 00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:42,755 I wanted--I was--I wanted women to be able to have an abortion, 270 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:44,891 because, you know, well, what easier way? 271 00:18:44,924 --> 00:18:46,959 You get a girl pregnant, you just--you don't have to 272 00:18:46,993 --> 00:18:49,061 send her, you know, to Puerto Rico. 273 00:18:49,095 --> 00:18:50,730 You can just go down to the local abortion mill, 274 00:18:50,763 --> 00:18:51,964 get it taken care of, and that's it. 275 00:18:51,998 --> 00:18:55,268 That's where I was; that's who I was. 276 00:18:57,637 --> 00:19:01,274 I wanted to abort my twin boys when my--when I found out 277 00:19:01,308 --> 00:19:04,311 my wife was pregnant with-- with the boys. 278 00:19:04,344 --> 00:19:06,279 I wanted to abort them. 279 00:19:06,313 --> 00:19:08,581 That was--that's the way 280 00:19:08,615 --> 00:19:12,985 that we dealt with things before I met Jesus. 281 00:19:15,121 --> 00:19:20,159 I came to the realization that abortion was murder. 282 00:19:20,193 --> 00:19:22,962 If you say that abortion is murder, 283 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:26,633 you need to act like it's murder. 284 00:19:32,405 --> 00:19:36,108 Want me to introduce you to these guys? 285 00:19:36,142 --> 00:19:38,311 Here's Colin. He escaped. 286 00:19:38,345 --> 00:19:41,314 That--this guy-- 287 00:19:41,348 --> 00:19:43,583 this guy is Malachi. 288 00:19:43,616 --> 00:19:44,851 We named him Malachi, 289 00:19:44,884 --> 00:19:48,421 and this has been an eloquent voice 290 00:19:48,455 --> 00:19:49,689 for little baby boys and girls 291 00:19:49,722 --> 00:19:52,058 and for mamas to change their mind, 292 00:19:52,091 --> 00:19:53,726 to realize what they're really doing. 293 00:20:02,569 --> 00:20:05,672 Ma'am, please, there is a God in heaven, 294 00:20:05,705 --> 00:20:07,340 and he's calling to you today. 295 00:20:07,374 --> 00:20:09,075 Don't walk in that door. 296 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:13,580 I can tell you exactly what's gonna happen today. 297 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:18,117 - Somebody is going to die here today. 298 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:21,454 The question is, who will that somebody be? 299 00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:28,027 You can do all you want to try and cover up and hide the sound 300 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,629 and not give moms a choice. 301 00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:31,664 You go ahead and do that. 302 00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:33,733 - But it's not gonna work. 303 00:20:33,766 --> 00:20:37,036 They're doing everything they can to shut us up, 304 00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,871 to drown us out. 305 00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:41,574 They try so hard to cover up the truth 306 00:20:41,608 --> 00:20:43,242 that will set you free. 307 00:20:47,414 --> 00:20:49,516 I'd spent time in jail, 308 00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:53,586 but I have spent many more days and weeks and months in jail 309 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:57,457 after knowing Jesus than I did before I met Him. 310 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:03,563 - Reverend Flip Benham is currently serving 311 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:05,264 a 90-day sentence for trespassing 312 00:21:05,298 --> 00:21:07,066 in an abortion clinic. 313 00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:10,136 - Flip Benham terrorized, really, 314 00:21:10,169 --> 00:21:12,872 many clinics all over the country, including ours. 315 00:21:12,905 --> 00:21:16,543 - Chief! Chief, arrest us! 316 00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:19,746 - He was a constant harasser, 317 00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:24,116 that sort of unctuous, sort of suave, you know, 318 00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:27,554 "I'm the savior of the anti-abortion movement." 319 00:21:27,587 --> 00:21:29,722 - Do you guys need to be arrested or what? 320 00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:30,723 Yes! 321 00:21:30,757 --> 00:21:32,291 - Chief! 322 00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:34,961 - I think he thought that he was gonna be the new face 323 00:21:34,994 --> 00:21:36,796 of Operation Rescue. 324 00:21:36,829 --> 00:21:39,599 - Since the Roe versus Wade decision legalized 325 00:21:39,632 --> 00:21:42,201 child killing in 1973, 326 00:21:42,234 --> 00:21:44,771 Christians are finally facing the reality 327 00:21:44,804 --> 00:21:47,640 that God is calling them to rescue the children. 328 00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:52,412 - In the mid-'80s, 329 00:21:52,445 --> 00:21:56,449 during Ronald Reagan's term in the White House, 330 00:21:56,483 --> 00:21:59,952 abortion really roared to the front burner 331 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:04,791 of American political consciousness. 332 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:09,596 Roe v. Wade was at the center of that. 333 00:22:09,629 --> 00:22:12,632 It represented the most loathsome 334 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:16,736 and terrible practices in our society, 335 00:22:16,769 --> 00:22:19,071 killing children. 336 00:22:19,105 --> 00:22:21,974 We came to call it the pro-death movement. 337 00:22:22,008 --> 00:22:24,477 - You are have far more value than your boobs. 338 00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:26,312 - We should have housing-- - Far more value 339 00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:28,347 in the eyes of God than your two boobs. 340 00:22:28,381 --> 00:22:31,317 I was an activist with Operation Rescue 341 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,686 and other pro-life groups. 342 00:22:36,489 --> 00:22:38,224 - Get up! 343 00:22:39,358 --> 00:22:40,993 Get up! Get up! 344 00:22:41,027 --> 00:22:42,261 - Ahh! 345 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,535 - We lay ourselves down at those doors 346 00:22:48,568 --> 00:22:52,839 between the abortionist and his little victim. 347 00:22:52,872 --> 00:22:54,206 - Down on your knees! Down on your... 348 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,209 - We would blockade clinics. 349 00:22:57,243 --> 00:23:00,012 - Don't kill your baby, lady! Please don't! 350 00:23:00,046 --> 00:23:02,214 - The jaws of death await you, woman. 351 00:23:02,248 --> 00:23:04,350 - We would berate women. 352 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:05,852 - It's murder! 353 00:23:05,885 --> 00:23:07,887 You're killing babies! Murder is killing babies! 354 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,723 - "You're going to murder your child. 355 00:23:10,757 --> 00:23:12,692 You're murdering your baby." 356 00:23:12,725 --> 00:23:15,361 - I'm telling you no one will control my body. 357 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:17,697 - Counter-protestors on the sidewalks 358 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:20,399 screaming at each other. 359 00:23:23,770 --> 00:23:26,372 Fights broke out. 360 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:28,708 - Operation Rescue members have a radical technique 361 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:32,178 for shocking people with the gruesome reality of abortion. 362 00:23:32,211 --> 00:23:35,882 - We brought actual fetal remains to the sites. 363 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:40,753 - That is the movement, 364 00:23:40,787 --> 00:23:43,389 the movement that has been absolutely clear 365 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:45,892 about its willingness to use violence against people. 366 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:48,127 - They did death threats and bomb threats. 367 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,662 We had many, many times 368 00:23:49,696 --> 00:23:53,299 when we had to evacuate our clinic, calls to my home, 369 00:23:53,332 --> 00:23:56,235 "We're gonna cut you up in little pieces." 370 00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:57,870 - Most of those arrested are being charged 371 00:23:57,904 --> 00:23:59,772 with disorderly conduct. 372 00:23:59,806 --> 00:24:01,574 - What they have done is, over and over, 373 00:24:01,608 --> 00:24:03,776 used terrorism, fear tactics. 374 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:05,778 - We were handcuffed, dragged. 375 00:24:08,047 --> 00:24:10,249 You feel morally vindicated. 376 00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:12,018 And we pray your... 377 00:24:12,051 --> 00:24:14,453 We had to shut down the clinic. 378 00:24:14,487 --> 00:24:16,556 We would win this. 379 00:24:25,932 --> 00:24:28,300 - A lot of people are still very shocked 380 00:24:28,334 --> 00:24:30,870 to find out that I've never had an abortion. 381 00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:38,778 When I was 15, I was working at the drive-in. 382 00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:41,480 That's where I met Woody. 383 00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:43,816 He's a customer, right? 384 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:45,952 I'm a stupid little carhop. 385 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,387 I go skating out there, you know, 386 00:24:48,420 --> 00:24:49,789 "Hi, my name's Norma. 387 00:24:49,822 --> 00:24:52,091 Can I take your order?" and he says, "Yeah." 388 00:24:52,124 --> 00:24:54,961 He says, "Give me a fur burger," 389 00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:56,262 and I said, "A what?" 390 00:24:56,295 --> 00:24:57,830 "A fur burger." 391 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:00,800 I was a kid. I was still a kid. 392 00:25:00,833 --> 00:25:04,637 I mean, you know, totally oblivious. 393 00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:07,674 And I said, "I don't think we have 394 00:25:07,707 --> 00:25:09,475 any of those tonight." 395 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:12,244 Well, he started laughing. 396 00:25:12,278 --> 00:25:13,980 I said, "Go away. Shoo, shoo." 397 00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:16,015 I said, "I'm being nice now," 398 00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:18,818 and he says, "Come on. Let me take you home." 399 00:25:18,851 --> 00:25:21,487 He was good-looking. 400 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,323 I knew he had a lot of money. 401 00:25:24,356 --> 00:25:27,760 We spent the night together. 402 00:25:27,794 --> 00:25:29,095 Then my mom, she says, 403 00:25:29,128 --> 00:25:30,496 "Well, if you're gonna sleep with him, 404 00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:35,167 might as well just go ahead and get married." 405 00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:40,272 I married Woody about a year later when I was 16. 406 00:25:40,306 --> 00:25:42,341 He was 22. 407 00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:49,515 One day he came home. 408 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:52,384 I looked at him, and I said, "I'm pregnant," 409 00:25:52,418 --> 00:25:56,055 and he turned around, and he--he hit me. 410 00:25:56,088 --> 00:26:00,693 He says, "You've been sleeping with somebody else." 411 00:26:00,727 --> 00:26:02,528 I wasn't gonna live like that. 412 00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:08,400 I threw his ass out. 413 00:26:12,504 --> 00:26:14,941 You don't want to fuck with me. 414 00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:20,312 I had Missy. 415 00:26:20,346 --> 00:26:22,949 She was a cute baby. 416 00:26:22,982 --> 00:26:25,084 My stepfather and my mother 417 00:26:25,117 --> 00:26:27,186 was taking care of Melissa for me, 418 00:26:27,219 --> 00:26:30,122 and they found out that I was out with a girl. 419 00:26:31,891 --> 00:26:33,693 I love flirting. 420 00:26:33,726 --> 00:26:37,930 I was a sucker for blondes, you know, and redheads. 421 00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:40,099 Oh, God. 422 00:26:41,868 --> 00:26:43,302 My mom told me, 423 00:26:43,335 --> 00:26:47,573 "You going around with those queers has got to stop." 424 00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:49,776 - A lot of people thought that gay people 425 00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:51,410 were child molesters, 426 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:55,181 that gay people should not be in the company of children. 427 00:26:55,214 --> 00:26:57,750 - My mom took my first daughter away from me 428 00:26:57,784 --> 00:26:59,585 through the courts. 429 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:01,120 She lied, and... 430 00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:07,126 She told them that I was flamboyant drunk, 431 00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:08,828 a lesbian, 432 00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:12,531 and unable to care for the child, 433 00:27:12,564 --> 00:27:16,102 so the courts believed her. 434 00:27:16,135 --> 00:27:17,369 They didn't believe me. 435 00:27:17,403 --> 00:27:19,071 In fact, they didn't even want to talk to me. 436 00:27:19,105 --> 00:27:21,340 - One of the things I think that happened sometimes 437 00:27:21,373 --> 00:27:23,876 with Norma is that the story she ended up 438 00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:28,247 telling herself was of her as the victim, 439 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,783 because she felt a lot of sadness. 440 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,019 If she wasn't able to take care of her daughter, 441 00:27:33,052 --> 00:27:35,955 in a way, it was easier to blame her mother. 442 00:27:35,988 --> 00:27:37,990 That absolves her. 443 00:28:00,012 --> 00:28:02,048 - I've got quarters for the jukebox. 444 00:28:02,081 --> 00:28:03,449 - Good. 445 00:28:07,353 --> 00:28:10,256 Yeah, when I met Connie, it was the summer of '70. 446 00:28:10,289 --> 00:28:12,524 - Yeah, that's right. - '70. 447 00:28:12,558 --> 00:28:15,327 - I met you shortly after you had the-- 448 00:28:15,361 --> 00:28:16,328 - The Roe baby. 449 00:28:16,362 --> 00:28:17,363 - The Roe baby. - Yeah. 450 00:28:22,401 --> 00:28:23,803 - Where we going, the same place we always go? 451 00:28:23,836 --> 00:28:24,837 - Yeah. 452 00:28:29,842 --> 00:28:31,277 Here, you want these? 453 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:32,779 I didn't have a job, didn't have money, you know, 454 00:28:32,812 --> 00:28:36,548 same old, same old, so I went into Connie's store, 455 00:28:36,582 --> 00:28:38,217 and I ripped off a can of chicken noodle soup 456 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:41,854 and a Coke and some crackers, 457 00:28:41,888 --> 00:28:44,824 and I got midway to the door, 458 00:28:44,857 --> 00:28:49,495 and she says, "Hey, I can call the police," 459 00:28:49,528 --> 00:28:53,933 and I offered to clean all the floors in the store for-- 460 00:28:53,966 --> 00:28:55,701 for stealing from Connie. 461 00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:02,274 And then she gave me her brand-new red Plymouth Fury 462 00:29:02,308 --> 00:29:04,410 and her credit card, and she says, 463 00:29:04,443 --> 00:29:06,412 "Here, why don't you take my car and have it washed 464 00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:08,414 and gassed up?" I said, "Okay." 465 00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:10,082 - And my roommate said, "Well, who'd you let 466 00:29:10,116 --> 00:29:11,083 borrow your car?" 467 00:29:11,117 --> 00:29:12,718 I said, "This girl I just met." 468 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,888 I said, "She's real tiny, real pretty. 469 00:29:15,922 --> 00:29:19,125 She weighs maybe about 100 pounds." 470 00:29:19,158 --> 00:29:21,493 "Oh, I know who that is. That's Pixie. Oh, she's bad." 471 00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:23,362 I said, "Nah, I don't think so." 472 00:29:23,395 --> 00:29:26,598 "Yeah, she's bad," and I said, "Well, whatever," you know? 473 00:29:26,632 --> 00:29:30,336 Just, "Well, we'll wait and see if she brings my car back," 474 00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:31,904 and she did. 475 00:29:31,938 --> 00:29:34,173 With a big old smile on her face, she said, 476 00:29:34,206 --> 00:29:35,174 "I washed your car." 477 00:29:39,645 --> 00:29:41,881 - That is so pretty. 478 00:29:41,914 --> 00:29:44,783 Isn't that adorable? 479 00:29:44,817 --> 00:29:48,955 - Look at this. - Oh, it's a cookie jar. 480 00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:05,704 - Since 1973, the abortion debate has been mainly vocal 481 00:30:05,737 --> 00:30:09,075 but increasingly has turned violent. 482 00:30:09,108 --> 00:30:10,776 - Christmas Day 1984, 483 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:13,279 four abortion clinics are bombed. 484 00:30:13,312 --> 00:30:15,714 Two years later, an anti-abortion activist 485 00:30:15,747 --> 00:30:18,885 arrives in town with bombs in his car trunk. 486 00:30:20,052 --> 00:30:22,588 - With all the bombings that were going on 487 00:30:22,621 --> 00:30:24,456 in the abortion clinics, 488 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:26,825 the flyers... 489 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,796 I thought, "Well, I've got something to say, 490 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:32,932 "and I'm gonna start getting out there, 491 00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:35,667 and I'm gonna start speaking up." 492 00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:41,974 I'm very saddened 493 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:44,676 that other people want to abolish something 494 00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:48,814 that women should naturally already have. 495 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:52,919 - Mm-hmm. Have you had any-- any change of heart at all 496 00:30:52,952 --> 00:30:54,420 in the nine years since? 497 00:30:54,453 --> 00:30:56,455 - None whatsoever. 498 00:30:56,488 --> 00:31:00,792 all: Pro-choice is pro-death! Pro-choice is pro-death! 499 00:31:00,826 --> 00:31:03,029 Pro-choice is pro-death! 500 00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,364 Pro-choice is pro-death! 501 00:31:08,367 --> 00:31:10,669 - Norma came to one of our events, 502 00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:13,772 and I'm gonna think maybe it was a clinic open house. 503 00:31:13,805 --> 00:31:16,175 - We were down at the Routh Street Women's Clinic, 504 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:18,677 and we were doing a lot of picket signs, 505 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:21,313 and Charlotte came back over to where I was sitting. 506 00:31:21,347 --> 00:31:24,216 - And she just came and introduced herself and said... 507 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:26,385 - "Oh, hello. My name's Jane Roe." 508 00:31:26,418 --> 00:31:29,188 - And we said, "Oh, well, welcome. 509 00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:31,991 How--thank you for coming," you know? 510 00:31:33,059 --> 00:31:34,693 Norma was charming. 511 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,996 She had sort of a wry sense of humor. 512 00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:40,232 She was very pro-choice. She said, "I want to help." 513 00:31:40,266 --> 00:31:42,001 - The Supreme Court represents a threat 514 00:31:42,034 --> 00:31:44,236 to our personal privacy. 515 00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:48,540 - But it really didn't take too long to recognize 516 00:31:48,574 --> 00:31:51,743 that being friends with Norma was a complicated experience. 517 00:31:57,449 --> 00:32:01,053 - I was doing an interview with Carl Rowan. 518 00:32:01,087 --> 00:32:04,023 Carl had came to my house with his crew, 519 00:32:04,056 --> 00:32:06,225 and he says, "Norma, I want to talk to you 520 00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:07,559 about the rape." 521 00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:10,196 I went to my doctor. 522 00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:11,863 He confirmed that I was pregnant, 523 00:32:11,897 --> 00:32:14,300 and I told him I wanted an abortion. 524 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:15,601 - You were raped? 525 00:32:17,936 --> 00:32:19,271 - I thought, "I'll just go ahead 526 00:32:19,305 --> 00:32:22,941 and tell the truth. Why not?" 527 00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:24,276 No, I wasn't. 528 00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:26,478 - You were not? - No, I wasn't. 529 00:32:26,512 --> 00:32:30,116 - Oh. So all those stories are not true? 530 00:32:32,618 --> 00:32:34,320 - Yes, sir, yes. 531 00:32:34,353 --> 00:32:36,588 - They are not true? - Right. 532 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:39,925 - It just shocked me, and I just thought, "Oh, no." 533 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:42,861 Roe versus Wade had nothing to do with whether she was raped. 534 00:32:42,894 --> 00:32:44,630 There was absolutely no mention 535 00:32:44,663 --> 00:32:47,499 in the Roe versus Wade decision, 536 00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:49,635 but most people think that Roe versus Wade 537 00:32:49,668 --> 00:32:52,104 was decided because the woman was raped, 538 00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:53,605 so now she's lied. 539 00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,375 She wasn't raped, so Roe versus Wade is invalid. 540 00:32:56,408 --> 00:32:58,610 That's--I think many people thought that. 541 00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,116 - It is the home of Norma McCorvey, 542 00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:07,153 buckshots in the front door the only signs of the terror 543 00:33:07,186 --> 00:33:10,222 seen here early Tuesday. 544 00:33:12,958 --> 00:33:16,495 - Some people came by and shot up my car 545 00:33:16,528 --> 00:33:19,031 at 4:40 a.m. in the morning. 546 00:33:20,632 --> 00:33:22,734 They turned around. 547 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:26,805 They shot out my living room windows, 548 00:33:26,838 --> 00:33:30,476 blew away my storm door. 549 00:33:30,509 --> 00:33:32,844 - Some pro-choice group members say with several 550 00:33:32,878 --> 00:33:34,980 abortion rallies planned for this weekend, 551 00:33:35,013 --> 00:33:38,817 what happened here may be the tip of the iceberg. 552 00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:42,388 - I've basically just been hiding out in hotels 553 00:33:42,421 --> 00:33:44,556 to which I cannot afford. 554 00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:46,358 - No word on whether the shooting incident 555 00:33:46,392 --> 00:33:47,826 will keep McCorvey from speaking 556 00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:51,497 at an abortion rally in Washington this Sunday. 557 00:33:51,530 --> 00:33:53,665 - That's when I made my decision 558 00:33:53,699 --> 00:33:55,834 about going to the Washington march. 559 00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:03,842 - Check, one, two. 560 00:34:09,215 --> 00:34:11,917 - World News Sunday. 561 00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:13,119 - Good evening. 562 00:34:13,152 --> 00:34:14,586 Not since the height of the Vietnam War 563 00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:17,256 have so many people marched in Washington as did today 564 00:34:17,289 --> 00:34:19,625 in the name of legalized abortion. 565 00:34:19,658 --> 00:34:22,694 - They came from all over because of their concern 566 00:34:22,728 --> 00:34:25,063 that the Supreme Court may reverse the right 567 00:34:25,097 --> 00:34:26,932 to a legal abortion. 568 00:34:26,965 --> 00:34:29,168 Leading the protest was a large contingent 569 00:34:29,201 --> 00:34:30,402 of celebrities. 570 00:34:30,436 --> 00:34:32,738 - And I'm here to say to the Supreme Court, 571 00:34:32,771 --> 00:34:34,840 I will make it my job 572 00:34:34,873 --> 00:34:38,210 to make sure that we have safe, clean abortion. 573 00:34:40,779 --> 00:34:43,382 - I met Norma McCorvey at 574 00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:46,252 the huge pro-choice rally 575 00:34:46,285 --> 00:34:49,421 in Washington, D.C. 576 00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:52,724 It was a chance meeting. 577 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:55,294 She told me who she was, 578 00:34:55,327 --> 00:34:59,598 and I asked her if she was speaking at the rally, 579 00:34:59,631 --> 00:35:01,900 and she said she had not been invited to speak. 580 00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:05,237 She was very upset. 581 00:35:05,271 --> 00:35:07,439 She felt that she was an activist 582 00:35:07,473 --> 00:35:09,775 and wanted to be an activist 583 00:35:09,808 --> 00:35:13,011 in support of the right to choose abortion. 584 00:35:13,044 --> 00:35:17,449 - I would like to introduce some of the very special people 585 00:35:17,483 --> 00:35:18,950 who are here today 586 00:35:18,984 --> 00:35:23,722 and whose presence has a very important significance. 587 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:26,292 First, Cybil Shepherd. 588 00:35:30,929 --> 00:35:33,031 - Thank you for coming. 589 00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:34,400 - The pro-choice people, 590 00:35:34,433 --> 00:35:36,302 they never gave me an opportunity. 591 00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:40,806 You know, they just, "Well, no, she can't speak." 592 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:42,308 What? 593 00:35:42,341 --> 00:35:46,445 - She was not the poster girl that... 594 00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,781 would have been helpful to the pro-choice movement. 595 00:35:49,815 --> 00:35:52,951 However, an articulate, educated person could not have 596 00:35:52,984 --> 00:35:54,520 been the plaintiff in Roe versus Wade. 597 00:35:54,553 --> 00:35:57,189 - The battle is not over today. 598 00:35:57,223 --> 00:35:59,458 - I'm a very uneducated person. 599 00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:04,296 I'm not a demure, quiet, picture-perfect, 600 00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:05,831 white-gloved lady. 601 00:36:05,864 --> 00:36:10,569 - Abortion must be legal, safe, accessible. 602 00:36:10,602 --> 00:36:12,638 - After the rape thing, they didn't feel like 603 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:16,174 she would help protect Roe versus Wade. 604 00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:18,877 Even if she wanted to do that, they were scared. 605 00:36:20,346 --> 00:36:24,316 - She felt that she had been denied the opportunity 606 00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:27,286 to be recognized and be acknowledged. 607 00:36:27,319 --> 00:36:30,422 - Which really set me on fire. 608 00:36:30,456 --> 00:36:33,392 "I'll do it now just to show you I can do it." 609 00:36:33,425 --> 00:36:36,127 - And I'd like to introduce Norma McCorvey, 610 00:36:36,161 --> 00:36:37,963 also known as Jane Roe, 611 00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:40,532 the plaintiff in the very famous 612 00:36:40,566 --> 00:36:42,534 Roe versus Wade Supreme Court decision. 613 00:36:42,568 --> 00:36:47,005 - It's been hard enough for me to come out as Jane Roe 614 00:36:47,038 --> 00:36:49,875 and to step into the limelight, so to speak. 615 00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:54,513 - She's here today coming out of hiding for this, 616 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:56,348 and we appreciate her courage. 617 00:36:56,382 --> 00:36:59,217 Don't we? - Whoo! 618 00:36:59,251 --> 00:37:02,187 - We did tons of media. 619 00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:08,093 Gloria and I just fell in like with each other. 620 00:37:20,038 --> 00:37:23,309 - Well, that's the way it was back in 1969, 621 00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:25,210 especially in Texas. - When you say, 622 00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:27,212 "That's the way it was," what are you referring to? 623 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:30,215 - Well, lying to get-- try to get-- 624 00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:32,117 to try to get an abortion. 625 00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:37,956 - Excuse me, I don't think that she has capitalized 626 00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:39,257 on this at all. 627 00:37:39,291 --> 00:37:40,726 To the contrary, 628 00:37:40,759 --> 00:37:45,230 it has cost her physically, emotionally, financially. 629 00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:50,936 - I don't charge very much. 630 00:37:52,638 --> 00:37:55,941 - I clean houses, condos, apartments. 631 00:37:58,310 --> 00:38:01,580 Why, does anybody here need a good housecleaning lady? 632 00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:07,218 She flew Connie and I out to Southern California. 633 00:38:07,252 --> 00:38:10,055 - May I wish you the very best? - Thank you very much. 634 00:38:10,088 --> 00:38:11,423 - Really. 635 00:38:11,457 --> 00:38:14,092 - You're kind of like a hick out of Hickville. 636 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,094 Mmm, that's good. 637 00:38:16,127 --> 00:38:17,095 We did something, like, 638 00:38:17,128 --> 00:38:21,099 54 or 56 interviews in a week. 639 00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:22,300 Right to life! 640 00:38:22,334 --> 00:38:24,302 - Some of them may never come... 641 00:38:24,336 --> 00:38:26,071 You don't care if women die. 642 00:38:26,104 --> 00:38:28,173 - Then we went to fight Operation Rescue. 643 00:38:28,206 --> 00:38:29,708 - Freedom is... all: Pro-choice! 644 00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:31,477 - Freedom is... all: Pro-choice! 645 00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:35,614 - They were chanting about, "Jane Roe, total lie, 646 00:38:35,647 --> 00:38:37,483 that's why all the babies die," 647 00:38:37,516 --> 00:38:38,950 or something like that; I'm going, like, 648 00:38:38,984 --> 00:38:40,519 "Oh, please, I could think of something better than that, 649 00:38:40,552 --> 00:38:41,753 you know, in my sleep." 650 00:38:41,787 --> 00:38:44,490 all: Pro-choice! Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 651 00:38:44,523 --> 00:38:45,957 Pro-choice! Pro-choice! 652 00:38:45,991 --> 00:38:50,095 - For us, Jane Roe was like Adolf Hitler 653 00:38:50,128 --> 00:38:53,799 or a Goebbels would be with the Holocaust. 654 00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:56,635 She was the face of 655 00:38:56,668 --> 00:39:00,806 this evil that was brought on our country 656 00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:01,973 by the Roe v. Wade decision. 657 00:39:02,007 --> 00:39:03,909 - It's ludicrous. 658 00:39:03,942 --> 00:39:08,414 They are sending women back to the back streets. 659 00:39:08,447 --> 00:39:12,984 Abortion will continue whether it is legal or not. 660 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:14,453 Women will die from this. 661 00:39:14,486 --> 00:39:16,154 Jane Roe is every woman 662 00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:20,125 who's ever been denied anything in her whole life, 663 00:39:20,158 --> 00:39:23,695 because we've all been denied something at some point, 664 00:39:23,729 --> 00:39:25,163 so we're all Jane Roes. 665 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:28,900 - She was the star on the pro-abortion side, 666 00:39:28,934 --> 00:39:32,704 and her presence couldn't possibly be ignored. 667 00:39:36,842 --> 00:39:38,510 - The nominees are 668 00:39:38,544 --> 00:39:42,514 Holly Hunter for "Roe versus Wade." 669 00:39:42,548 --> 00:39:44,516 - We warned you that this might happen 670 00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:46,217 way back when we first met you. 671 00:39:46,251 --> 00:39:48,520 - You let me think that, and you let me hope, 672 00:39:48,554 --> 00:39:52,190 and now I gotta have this baby, and I can't even find a job? 673 00:39:54,793 --> 00:39:58,029 - And the Emmy goes to... Holly Hunter. 674 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,705 - I would really like to thank the real-life Jane Roe, 675 00:40:06,738 --> 00:40:10,476 Norma McCorvey, for continuing to fight. 676 00:40:13,111 --> 00:40:14,412 - Thou shalt not kill! 677 00:40:14,446 --> 00:40:16,214 Read the Ten Commandments. Pick up a Bible. 678 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:20,385 - Back in Dallas, I was still working in an abortion clinic. 679 00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:25,156 - Behind me here is an abortion mill, 680 00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:27,058 where little baby boys and girls die, 681 00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:28,560 and outside of the abortion mill 682 00:40:28,594 --> 00:40:31,396 are Christian moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas 683 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:34,766 living out their faith in the streets. 684 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,036 - The pro-lifers were out on the sidewalk 685 00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:40,205 every weekend. 686 00:40:40,238 --> 00:40:41,573 - Baby killer! 687 00:40:41,607 --> 00:40:42,908 - They used to block the doors, 688 00:40:42,941 --> 00:40:45,777 holler at the women, 689 00:40:45,811 --> 00:40:47,412 "Don't go in there and kill your baby!" 690 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:48,980 And I'd say, "Oh, shit, shut up." 691 00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:53,018 I had a job to counsel women 692 00:40:53,051 --> 00:40:55,120 to make sure that they were making 693 00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:56,788 the right decisions for themselves. 694 00:40:56,822 --> 00:40:58,089 - Would you ladies please consider the child 695 00:40:58,123 --> 00:40:59,591 you're carrying? 696 00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:01,960 - And I've told I don't know how many young women, 697 00:41:01,993 --> 00:41:04,295 "As long as you think you're doing right, 698 00:41:04,329 --> 00:41:05,797 then you're doing right." 699 00:41:05,831 --> 00:41:09,968 How would they feel if we went to their churches and said, 700 00:41:10,001 --> 00:41:12,437 "No, you can't go in there?" 701 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:17,342 - Jane Roe was the poster child for abortion. 702 00:41:17,375 --> 00:41:21,647 She was their prize, 703 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,051 and there was talk that-- 704 00:41:26,084 --> 00:41:29,721 that that had to be dealt with. 705 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:36,161 - One Thursday morning Connie called me from work, 706 00:41:36,194 --> 00:41:38,530 'cause we worked at the same clinic. 707 00:41:38,564 --> 00:41:40,298 - I called her, and I told her, I said, 708 00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:43,101 "You'll never believe who's moving next door," 709 00:41:43,134 --> 00:41:45,904 and she said, "Who?" I said, "You're not gonna-- 710 00:41:45,937 --> 00:41:47,639 in a million years, you'd never guess." 711 00:41:47,673 --> 00:41:50,308 "Well, tell me." 712 00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:52,510 "Operation Rescue." 713 00:41:53,712 --> 00:41:56,648 - Norma McCorvey has an unwelcome new neighbor, 714 00:41:56,682 --> 00:41:59,818 Operation Rescue and its national director, Flip Benham. 715 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:02,320 - We've come to live right next to this place 716 00:42:02,353 --> 00:42:04,122 and give mothers an informed choice. 717 00:42:04,155 --> 00:42:06,792 God just worked a miracle so that we could move 718 00:42:06,825 --> 00:42:10,662 right next door to her office, 719 00:42:10,696 --> 00:42:12,463 Choice for Women. 720 00:42:12,497 --> 00:42:14,700 - They told me it was just an accident. 721 00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:16,568 I'm going like... 722 00:42:19,037 --> 00:42:23,141 "Listen, Flip, don't try to con an old con." 723 00:42:23,174 --> 00:42:24,810 - She was just spitting and fuming 724 00:42:24,843 --> 00:42:26,845 and calling me every f-word that she could, 725 00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:30,015 because the f-word was one of her favorites, 726 00:42:30,048 --> 00:42:31,683 and that--and I was that. 727 00:42:31,717 --> 00:42:33,852 - I told them they were damn liars 728 00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:35,553 and that they better check with their God 729 00:42:35,587 --> 00:42:38,123 to make sure that they were still gonna go to heaven. 730 00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:40,525 - She would call up and put crazy things, 731 00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:44,529 like, on our recordo-phone, saying, "Hey, we're ha--listen, 732 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,698 "we're having barbecued babies today. 733 00:42:46,732 --> 00:42:48,199 "Would you like some, Flip? 734 00:42:48,233 --> 00:42:49,534 "Would you like to come over 735 00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:51,536 and have some barbecued babies with us today?" 736 00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:52,804 And I'm going... 737 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:58,043 - One day I was sitting on a bench having a cigarette. 738 00:42:58,076 --> 00:42:59,778 He come over there, and he says, 739 00:42:59,811 --> 00:43:02,013 "Can I have a seat here?" 740 00:43:02,047 --> 00:43:03,715 And I said, "Well," I said, 741 00:43:03,749 --> 00:43:05,684 "There's been abortion ass sitting over here." 742 00:43:05,717 --> 00:43:07,518 I said, "If you can sit on abortion ass," 743 00:43:07,552 --> 00:43:09,354 I said, "Go for it." 744 00:43:09,387 --> 00:43:12,858 - He got to talking to her and being nice to her 745 00:43:12,891 --> 00:43:14,760 and being phony, like he can be 746 00:43:14,793 --> 00:43:17,863 when he's talking to somebody he wants to get over. 747 00:43:17,896 --> 00:43:19,364 - I can remember the day, 748 00:43:19,397 --> 00:43:21,032 and her little truck was parked right over here. 749 00:43:21,066 --> 00:43:22,600 I imagine she's still got that red, ugly truck. 750 00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:24,569 And I said, "Ms. Norma, 751 00:43:24,602 --> 00:43:27,538 Ms. Norma, what are we gonna do?" 752 00:43:27,572 --> 00:43:30,041 And she said, "Well, I don't know," 753 00:43:30,075 --> 00:43:32,343 and that was the first time she actually communicated with me, 754 00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:34,579 and I said, "Would you come here with me for a minute? 755 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,414 I have something I want to tell you," 756 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,917 and there was a bench right here, 757 00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:40,251 and she and I sat down. 758 00:43:40,285 --> 00:43:43,588 She sat on this side, and I sat here. 759 00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:45,657 - That's when he gave me his testimony, 760 00:43:45,691 --> 00:43:47,726 and he was a badass, 761 00:43:47,759 --> 00:43:51,930 a sinner just like everyone else, womanizer. 762 00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:53,198 You know, he did it all. 763 00:43:53,231 --> 00:43:55,701 It's kind of like my life. 764 00:43:55,734 --> 00:43:59,604 - When I saw this lady who was totally lost 765 00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:02,273 in her own mess, I saw me. 766 00:44:02,307 --> 00:44:04,575 I knew--I knew-- I knew what she needed. 767 00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:06,444 - Then he-- 768 00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:09,881 he just fell kind of quiet, 769 00:44:09,915 --> 00:44:13,418 and he said, 770 00:44:13,451 --> 00:44:15,520 "Do you like what you're doing?" 771 00:44:25,163 --> 00:44:27,432 - Ms. Norma, do you have the assurance 772 00:44:27,465 --> 00:44:30,301 that your sins are forgiven 773 00:44:30,335 --> 00:44:32,904 through Jesus Christ, our Lord? 774 00:44:32,938 --> 00:44:34,239 - Yes, I do. 775 00:44:34,272 --> 00:44:37,342 - Do you renounce the devil and his works 776 00:44:37,375 --> 00:44:39,978 and the sinful desires of the flesh? 777 00:44:40,011 --> 00:44:42,480 - Yes, I do. 778 00:44:42,513 --> 00:44:44,883 - It's all forgiven. 779 00:44:44,916 --> 00:44:46,584 You're brand-new. 780 00:44:46,617 --> 00:44:51,222 Nobody could do that but Jesus. 781 00:44:58,496 --> 00:45:02,333 I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son 782 00:45:02,367 --> 00:45:03,601 and of the Holy Spirit. 783 00:45:03,634 --> 00:45:04,870 - Hallelujah. - Amen. 784 00:45:07,005 --> 00:45:09,140 - Hallelujah. Whoo! 785 00:45:09,174 --> 00:45:11,676 - Amen. - Hallelujah! 786 00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:14,079 Here she is, 787 00:45:14,112 --> 00:45:17,248 Ms. Norma Leah McCorvey, 788 00:45:17,282 --> 00:45:20,018 born-again Christian! 789 00:45:20,051 --> 00:45:21,987 - Hallelujah! - Hallelujah! 790 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,563 When she jumped from spawn of Satan 791 00:45:32,597 --> 00:45:34,833 to a child of God, 792 00:45:34,866 --> 00:45:39,037 it just turned everything in this world upside-down. 793 00:45:40,906 --> 00:45:42,874 - The Jane Roe in Roe versus Wade, 794 00:45:42,908 --> 00:45:44,542 the case that legalized abortion, 795 00:45:44,575 --> 00:45:46,411 says she's joining one of the most controversial 796 00:45:46,444 --> 00:45:49,414 anti-abortion groups in America, Operation Rescue. 797 00:45:51,182 --> 00:45:55,086 - Norma McCorvey has joined a leading anti-abortion group 798 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,055 and found religion. 799 00:45:57,088 --> 00:45:59,757 - The pro-lifers have shown me what it's like 800 00:45:59,791 --> 00:46:00,926 to be a human being 801 00:46:00,959 --> 00:46:04,729 for the very first time in my whole life. 802 00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:06,832 They've loved me. 803 00:46:06,865 --> 00:46:09,167 They've nurtured me, 804 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,070 and they've cared for me. 805 00:46:12,103 --> 00:46:16,207 I've never felt so good about being a woman 806 00:46:16,241 --> 00:46:19,945 or about being just a person 807 00:46:19,978 --> 00:46:22,247 than I have from these people. 808 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,183 - Part of what the anti-abortion movement had 809 00:46:25,216 --> 00:46:27,352 that we did not have was, 810 00:46:27,385 --> 00:46:30,388 "Here--if you come here, you're gonna be good. 811 00:46:30,421 --> 00:46:32,123 "We're the good ones. 812 00:46:32,157 --> 00:46:33,458 We're the ones with God." 813 00:46:33,491 --> 00:46:35,126 - I think she's looking for something 814 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,462 that feels like the answer, 815 00:46:37,495 --> 00:46:39,797 and a vulnerable, impressionable person, 816 00:46:39,831 --> 00:46:44,035 frankly, is being exploited by a very clever leader. 817 00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:48,439 She's looking for--for peace. 818 00:46:48,473 --> 00:46:51,609 - Are you interested in using her as a trophy at all? 819 00:46:51,642 --> 00:46:52,777 - No. 820 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:55,480 There--there is no trophy for us. It is-- 821 00:46:55,513 --> 00:46:57,916 - Come on. - You've gotta understand-- 822 00:46:57,949 --> 00:47:00,318 - Would you care just as much about anybody else 823 00:47:00,351 --> 00:47:01,819 as you do Norma McCorvey? 824 00:47:01,853 --> 00:47:04,822 - Well, you know, God has given Norma to us. 825 00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:09,794 - I... 826 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:12,430 see so many unusual turns of events 827 00:47:12,463 --> 00:47:15,333 that I'm not shocked 828 00:47:15,366 --> 00:47:17,735 by much anymore, 829 00:47:17,768 --> 00:47:20,371 but I... 830 00:47:22,107 --> 00:47:24,609 Was surprised. 831 00:47:24,642 --> 00:47:28,179 - The leaders of the pro-choice movement were devastated, 832 00:47:28,213 --> 00:47:31,382 and once more they said, "See? We couldn't trust her." 833 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,521 I can imagine people, 834 00:47:36,554 --> 00:47:38,423 regular old people reading the newspaper 835 00:47:38,456 --> 00:47:40,758 or seeing it on television, thinking, 836 00:47:40,791 --> 00:47:43,929 "If Jane Roe is against abortion, it must be wrong." 837 00:47:43,962 --> 00:47:46,797 - All I'm simply doing is watching out 838 00:47:46,831 --> 00:47:51,702 for Norma's salvation and Norma's ass, 839 00:47:51,736 --> 00:47:53,771 and it's just that simple. 840 00:47:53,804 --> 00:47:56,874 - Now the media instead of being friendly toward her, 841 00:47:56,908 --> 00:47:58,409 all they wanted to do is shut her up 842 00:47:58,443 --> 00:47:59,911 and beat her out of the way, 843 00:47:59,945 --> 00:48:01,746 and that's what they do, and that's what the media does, 844 00:48:01,779 --> 00:48:05,183 and that's what the media tried to do to her. 845 00:48:11,189 --> 00:48:12,958 - Ms. McCorvey, what happened? 846 00:48:12,991 --> 00:48:18,663 - Well, I've modified my rel--religious path. 847 00:48:18,696 --> 00:48:21,499 - Right. - Now I've changed 848 00:48:21,532 --> 00:48:23,201 my position on choice. 849 00:48:23,234 --> 00:48:26,004 - You realize that over the years you became something 850 00:48:26,037 --> 00:48:30,841 of a symbol of a woman's right to choose. 851 00:48:30,875 --> 00:48:32,410 You must have given a great deal of thought 852 00:48:32,443 --> 00:48:35,746 over these last few weeks and months 853 00:48:35,780 --> 00:48:37,915 about the impact that you're going to have 854 00:48:37,949 --> 00:48:39,684 on the movement itself. 855 00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:42,287 Do you care? - I'm doing this for me. 856 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,657 I'm not doing it for anyone else. 857 00:48:46,691 --> 00:48:49,927 - Does it occur to you that you may also be being used now 858 00:48:49,961 --> 00:48:53,264 by the Operation Rescue people for their purposes? 859 00:48:53,298 --> 00:48:56,567 - No, sir, and they--I will not let them use me. 860 00:48:56,601 --> 00:49:00,438 - That was like being given 861 00:49:00,471 --> 00:49:01,939 the Academy Award. 862 00:49:01,973 --> 00:49:04,509 She was our Oscar, 863 00:49:04,542 --> 00:49:08,146 and we were gonna put her on the mantel 864 00:49:08,179 --> 00:49:11,082 and show her off to the world. 865 00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:19,124 I set out immediately to bring her to Washington, D.C., 866 00:49:19,157 --> 00:49:21,626 and put her on a national stage. 867 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,632 There was nobody like Norma in our movement, nobody. 868 00:49:27,665 --> 00:49:30,901 - Could you tell us why you're here this weekend and... 869 00:49:30,935 --> 00:49:32,370 - Well, I'm here this weekend 870 00:49:32,403 --> 00:49:35,606 to speak here in Washington, D.C. 871 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,842 Um... 872 00:49:37,875 --> 00:49:39,744 I've never had that privilege before, 873 00:49:39,777 --> 00:49:43,814 and the pro-life movement that I've encompassed now 874 00:49:43,848 --> 00:49:45,516 has given me that opportunity. 875 00:49:51,322 --> 00:49:53,158 - The whole event was structured 876 00:49:53,191 --> 00:49:56,494 as a memorial service, a kind of funeral. 877 00:49:56,527 --> 00:49:59,630 We actually had fetal remains 878 00:49:59,664 --> 00:50:02,100 in a tiny casket. 879 00:50:02,133 --> 00:50:05,470 We were there mourning for millions 880 00:50:05,503 --> 00:50:08,873 of unborn children, 881 00:50:08,906 --> 00:50:10,875 and Norma's presence 882 00:50:10,908 --> 00:50:14,245 validated that, because, of course, 883 00:50:14,279 --> 00:50:17,115 she was the cause of all this death. 884 00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:21,586 We are here to proclaim that Jane Roe is dead, 885 00:50:21,619 --> 00:50:26,324 and Norma McCorvey lives in Jesus' name! 886 00:50:26,357 --> 00:50:28,059 Hallelujah! 887 00:50:33,798 --> 00:50:34,999 - I'm sorry. 888 00:50:37,001 --> 00:50:39,170 I'm sorry for being so, 889 00:50:39,204 --> 00:50:42,107 so terribly, terribly dumb 890 00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:45,343 and so, so naive. 891 00:50:45,376 --> 00:50:49,980 I thought I was doing something right. 892 00:50:50,014 --> 00:50:52,350 I didn't realize 893 00:50:52,383 --> 00:50:56,554 that I would be leading innocent children 894 00:50:56,587 --> 00:50:58,223 to a senseless... 895 00:51:01,226 --> 00:51:02,227 - It's all right. 896 00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:04,061 - Come on, Ms. Norma. 897 00:51:04,095 --> 00:51:06,397 - And terrible death. 898 00:51:07,998 --> 00:51:10,568 - There is someone who would like to say 899 00:51:10,601 --> 00:51:13,471 and do something special for you today. 900 00:51:21,912 --> 00:51:24,282 - I believe I speak for all of us 901 00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:28,886 when we say we forgive you in Jesus' name. 902 00:51:33,924 --> 00:51:35,493 - It was not just a comeback. 903 00:51:35,526 --> 00:51:37,928 It was a comeback with such adulation, 904 00:51:37,962 --> 00:51:41,299 because the antis were so thrilled. 905 00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:45,836 - Jane Roe was now on our side. 906 00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:49,907 We were winning this social war. 907 00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:59,584 - It's hard for me to imagine how she came to terms with-- 908 00:51:59,617 --> 00:52:01,085 oh, I don't know--betrayal. 909 00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:03,254 It's a betrayal that she did. 910 00:52:15,433 --> 00:52:16,967 - These are just different trinkets 911 00:52:17,001 --> 00:52:20,738 that I've held on to over the years. 912 00:52:20,771 --> 00:52:23,808 That's a big pair of gold earrings... 913 00:52:26,143 --> 00:52:30,281 A pair of diamond earrings that Connie gave me. 914 00:52:30,315 --> 00:52:33,851 When I first saw them, I went, "Oh." 915 00:52:33,884 --> 00:52:37,188 I love them. I do, I love them. 916 00:52:37,222 --> 00:52:39,757 I wore 'em day and night. 917 00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:42,893 - Did Connie used to spoil you? - Of course she did, 918 00:52:42,927 --> 00:52:46,664 and I spoiled her just as badly. 919 00:52:46,697 --> 00:52:49,334 I don't bring 'em out very often. 920 00:52:49,367 --> 00:52:51,969 Sometimes they remind me of good things. 921 00:52:52,002 --> 00:52:54,605 Sometimes they remind me of bad things, 922 00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:57,808 bad times. 923 00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:06,317 - Ms. Connie and Ms. Norma, 924 00:53:06,351 --> 00:53:09,086 they were in that relationship for a long, long time. 925 00:53:12,757 --> 00:53:14,959 But when Ms. Norma came to know Jesus, 926 00:53:14,992 --> 00:53:17,262 that meant that there's gonna be some lifestyle changes. 927 00:53:19,264 --> 00:53:22,367 And we talked to them, that homosexuality 928 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,335 destroys those who practice it 929 00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:27,004 and destroy nations that approve of that behavior, 930 00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:28,673 and God calls it a sin. 931 00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:30,675 Now, that's not me being judgmental. 932 00:53:30,708 --> 00:53:32,943 That's just what the truth is. 933 00:53:32,977 --> 00:53:35,613 Am I gonna just give in to my every desire? 934 00:53:35,646 --> 00:53:38,849 Am I gonna just eat bonbons for the rest of my life and-- 935 00:53:38,883 --> 00:53:41,185 and just grow up to be a blimp? 936 00:53:41,218 --> 00:53:44,121 Is that what--you know? And the answer is the--no. 937 00:53:44,154 --> 00:53:47,592 Well, I want bonbons. I want that. I want that. 938 00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:49,026 That's just who I am. 939 00:53:49,059 --> 00:53:52,963 I want you to let me be me. 940 00:53:52,997 --> 00:53:55,199 - But bonbons are different than love. 941 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,201 - But that's not love. That's lust. 942 00:53:57,234 --> 00:54:00,004 And all you have to do is go into an emergency room 943 00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:02,407 on Friday night and early Saturday morning 944 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,176 to see what homosexual lust does to each other 945 00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:08,245 so that they can get their own satisfaction. 946 00:54:08,279 --> 00:54:10,415 Then after that's done, they want more. 947 00:54:10,448 --> 00:54:14,218 It just doesn't stop, so you can't call that love. 948 00:54:16,421 --> 00:54:19,490 - She knew that if it were known 949 00:54:19,524 --> 00:54:21,859 that she was a lesbian, 950 00:54:21,892 --> 00:54:24,395 she would be kicked out. 951 00:54:26,464 --> 00:54:28,933 - One cannot be 952 00:54:28,966 --> 00:54:30,901 a practicing homosexual 953 00:54:30,935 --> 00:54:32,737 and a Christian at the same time. 954 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:35,606 That would be a distinct impossibility. 955 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,043 - Connie and I are both learning every day... 956 00:54:41,446 --> 00:54:43,914 That there's certain things that we can't do 957 00:54:43,948 --> 00:54:45,583 that we used to. 958 00:55:01,799 --> 00:55:06,771 - She had to end her lesbian relationship 959 00:55:06,804 --> 00:55:10,375 and declare that she was no longer homosexual. 960 00:55:15,112 --> 00:55:16,647 - Hello. This is Father Frank Pavone, 961 00:55:16,681 --> 00:55:18,483 director of Priests for Life. 962 00:55:18,516 --> 00:55:21,018 Would you welcome with me Norma McCorvey? 963 00:55:21,051 --> 00:55:22,286 Thanks for being on the show. 964 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:23,454 - Thank you for having me, Father. 965 00:55:23,488 --> 00:55:25,690 - So the Jane Roe of Roe versus Wade 966 00:55:25,723 --> 00:55:28,693 is now a Christian and pro-life. 967 00:55:28,726 --> 00:55:31,996 Could you tell us how that happened? 968 00:55:32,029 --> 00:55:36,100 - I was desperately ashamed of being Jane Roe 969 00:55:36,133 --> 00:55:37,868 when I was on the other side, 970 00:55:37,902 --> 00:55:39,970 and I was a real hurting person. 971 00:55:40,004 --> 00:55:43,908 I--I got involved in alcohol and drugs, 972 00:55:43,941 --> 00:55:46,611 and I lived a lesbian lifestyle, you know, 973 00:55:46,644 --> 00:55:49,814 for a number of years, but God's healed all that. 974 00:55:49,847 --> 00:55:52,116 - Praise the Lord. Wonderful. 975 00:55:58,188 --> 00:56:00,024 And it's-- it's never died down, 976 00:56:00,057 --> 00:56:02,226 and it never will. 977 00:56:08,032 --> 00:56:11,402 - They did not have any sexual relation 978 00:56:11,436 --> 00:56:13,203 after she gave her heart to Christ, 979 00:56:13,237 --> 00:56:15,640 as far as I know. 980 00:56:41,499 --> 00:56:43,768 I loved her. 981 00:56:43,801 --> 00:56:46,203 I did. I loved her with all my heart. 982 00:56:46,236 --> 00:56:47,838 She was a good person. 983 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,809 One part of me says, 984 00:56:51,842 --> 00:56:55,946 I hope that she's not in misery like she was, 985 00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:58,215 but then another part of me says, 986 00:56:58,248 --> 00:57:02,386 I wish I could see her, 987 00:57:02,419 --> 00:57:04,421 so... 988 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,423 - Please welcome the amazing Ms. Norma McCorvey, 989 00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:41,225 former Jane Roe. 990 00:57:47,031 --> 00:57:50,968 - I have vowed to help do anything 991 00:57:51,001 --> 00:57:56,106 and everything I can do to overturn Roe versus Wade. 992 00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:57,608 - Norma McCorvey and a team of lawyers 993 00:57:57,642 --> 00:58:00,210 will argue before the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals 994 00:58:00,244 --> 00:58:02,580 that Roe v. Wade should be overturned. 995 00:58:02,613 --> 00:58:06,116 - We filed over 5,000 testimonies from women 996 00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:08,819 who've gone through legalized abortion. 997 00:58:08,853 --> 00:58:10,154 A lot of their lives have been 998 00:58:10,187 --> 00:58:11,956 just absolutely miserable since then. 999 00:58:11,989 --> 00:58:14,158 - You know, there were enough bad things happening. 1000 00:58:14,191 --> 00:58:16,761 For that to be happening, it was one thing I just, 1001 00:58:16,794 --> 00:58:18,128 like, didn't put on my plate, 'cause I-- 1002 00:58:18,162 --> 00:58:20,130 I couldn't do anything about it, 1003 00:58:20,164 --> 00:58:22,199 so it was like, "Oh, what? It's Norma." 1004 00:58:22,232 --> 00:58:24,501 - Hello. I'm Norma McCorvey. 1005 00:58:24,535 --> 00:58:26,136 Today as a born-again Christian 1006 00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:29,173 and a faithful Catholic, I'm working to reverse Roe. 1007 00:58:29,206 --> 00:58:30,841 Your vote could determine 1008 00:58:30,875 --> 00:58:32,843 who the next Supreme Court justice will be, 1009 00:58:32,877 --> 00:58:35,179 the one justice who can either vote to continue Roe 1010 00:58:35,212 --> 00:58:38,248 as the law of the land or vote to overturn that decision. 1011 00:58:38,282 --> 00:58:40,618 all: Now and at the hour of our death. 1012 00:58:40,651 --> 00:58:43,120 - Well, I came here to show my support for life 1013 00:58:43,153 --> 00:58:45,756 and to get arrested along with all the other saints. 1014 00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:47,257 - You're under arrest for trespassing. 1015 00:58:47,291 --> 00:58:48,693 - Blessed art thou among women. - Clear the sidewalk. 1016 00:58:48,726 --> 00:58:51,295 - God bless you, Norma. We're praying for you, sister. 1017 00:58:51,328 --> 00:58:53,898 - Norma McCorvey has been arrested. 1018 00:58:53,931 --> 00:58:55,600 - Hopefully it'll bring a killing to a stop. 1019 00:58:55,633 --> 00:58:59,837 - She's American. We're Americans. 1020 00:58:59,870 --> 00:59:03,307 - We were in a lot of places together. 1021 00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:05,542 We were together for a whole week 1022 00:59:05,576 --> 00:59:08,212 in Jackson, Mississippi, in 2006. 1023 00:59:09,446 --> 00:59:11,682 Hundreds of folks gathered around, 1024 00:59:11,716 --> 00:59:16,520 and we were burning the homosexual flag, 1025 00:59:16,553 --> 00:59:19,189 Roe versus Wade, 1026 00:59:19,223 --> 00:59:21,726 and the Koran. 1027 00:59:24,228 --> 00:59:28,198 - I can't speculate as to why she did what she did. 1028 00:59:28,232 --> 00:59:31,068 Now, whether she really believes that, 1029 00:59:31,101 --> 00:59:33,604 I don't know. 1030 00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:57,728 This is my deathbed confession. 1031 01:00:04,268 --> 01:00:05,736 Okay. 1032 01:00:13,543 --> 01:00:17,081 - Did they use you as a trophy? - Of course. 1033 01:00:17,114 --> 01:00:18,783 I was the big fish. 1034 01:00:21,852 --> 01:00:23,821 I was the big fish. 1035 01:00:26,623 --> 01:00:29,426 - Do you think they would say that you used them? 1036 01:00:29,459 --> 01:00:32,062 - Well, I think it was a mutual thing. 1037 01:00:32,096 --> 01:00:34,598 You know, I took their money, and they put me out 1038 01:00:34,631 --> 01:00:36,366 in front of the cameras and told me what to say, 1039 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,770 and that's what I'd say. 1040 01:00:39,804 --> 01:00:42,606 - Wow. 1041 01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:44,474 - I took their money, and they put me out 1042 01:00:44,508 --> 01:00:46,911 in front of the cameras and told me what to say, 1043 01:00:46,944 --> 01:00:50,614 and that's what I'd say. 1044 01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,482 - Wow. 1045 01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:54,985 Wow. 1046 01:00:56,653 --> 01:00:59,656 - Give me an example of what you'd say. 1047 01:01:01,491 --> 01:01:05,229 - "We've gathered here today 1048 01:01:05,262 --> 01:01:09,233 "to pay homage to the children 1049 01:01:09,266 --> 01:01:12,469 "that are being aborted in this abortuary. 1050 01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:18,542 "We're doing this because abortion is wrong, 1051 01:01:18,575 --> 01:01:23,013 "and I, as the former Jane Roe of Roe versus Wade, 1052 01:01:23,047 --> 01:01:27,517 "do regret signing the affidavit 1053 01:01:27,551 --> 01:01:31,856 for the pro-abortion camps," and that was probably about it. 1054 01:01:31,889 --> 01:01:34,725 - It was all an act? - Yeah. 1055 01:01:34,759 --> 01:01:36,193 I did it well, too. 1056 01:01:38,963 --> 01:01:40,697 I am a good actress. 1057 01:01:40,731 --> 01:01:42,767 Of course, I'm not acting now. 1058 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,534 I did it well too. 1059 01:01:49,339 --> 01:01:53,177 That's--that really hurts, because... 1060 01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:57,214 Shakes. 1061 01:01:57,247 --> 01:01:58,348 It's big stakes. That's all. 1062 01:01:58,382 --> 01:02:01,385 It's just really big stakes. 1063 01:02:04,421 --> 01:02:09,894 - I had never heard her say anything like this, never. 1064 01:02:13,697 --> 01:02:18,635 But I know what we were doing, 1065 01:02:18,668 --> 01:02:22,606 and there were times I was sure she knew. 1066 01:02:25,409 --> 01:02:28,112 And I wondered... 1067 01:02:28,145 --> 01:02:30,147 "Is she playing us?" 1068 01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:36,020 What I didn't have the guts to say was, 1069 01:02:36,053 --> 01:02:39,123 "Because I know damn well we're playing her." 1070 01:02:42,326 --> 01:02:46,897 What we did with Norma was highly unethical. 1071 01:02:46,931 --> 01:02:49,733 The jig is up. 1072 01:02:56,140 --> 01:02:59,109 - Would it be correct to say that Norma was targeted? 1073 01:03:01,545 --> 01:03:04,081 - Sure, Norma was a target. 1074 01:03:04,114 --> 01:03:06,750 She was less defended, 1075 01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:09,286 more needy. 1076 01:03:10,387 --> 01:03:11,989 That was easy to detect, 1077 01:03:12,022 --> 01:03:14,258 especially for those of us who were clergy. 1078 01:03:14,291 --> 01:03:16,961 We were used to those kinds of personalities. 1079 01:03:16,994 --> 01:03:18,462 - I got us a tape. 1080 01:03:18,495 --> 01:03:23,400 - We saw that her greatest weaknesses 1081 01:03:23,433 --> 01:03:26,603 could be exploited. 1082 01:03:28,338 --> 01:03:31,141 - Was she told what to say? 1083 01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:37,614 Norma was coached in what to say. 1084 01:03:37,647 --> 01:03:40,450 We were concerned that Norma 1085 01:03:40,484 --> 01:03:43,387 might not be rock-solid 1086 01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:46,790 on the rights of the unborn child. 1087 01:03:46,823 --> 01:03:50,794 We weren't sure where she kind of stood on that. 1088 01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:54,965 - If a young woman wants to have an abortion, fine. 1089 01:03:54,999 --> 01:03:58,035 You know, it's no skin off my ass. 1090 01:03:59,336 --> 01:04:02,306 You know, that's why they call it choice. 1091 01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:04,341 It's your choice. 1092 01:04:04,374 --> 01:04:06,843 - Is it not the case that you did know 1093 01:04:06,877 --> 01:04:08,678 where she stood on that? 1094 01:04:08,712 --> 01:04:10,948 - Mm. 1095 01:04:10,981 --> 01:04:12,482 Let me start again. 1096 01:04:12,516 --> 01:04:15,652 I haven't talked about this ever publicly. 1097 01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:17,988 This is a first. 1098 01:04:20,057 --> 01:04:23,793 We were afraid that Norma 1099 01:04:23,827 --> 01:04:28,432 might kind of spill the beans and tell our audience 1100 01:04:28,465 --> 01:04:31,168 and the world through the news coverage 1101 01:04:31,201 --> 01:04:33,670 that women had a right 1102 01:04:33,703 --> 01:04:35,439 to abortion in the first trimester. 1103 01:04:35,472 --> 01:04:38,875 That was unacceptable, 1104 01:04:38,909 --> 01:04:42,212 so we wanted to control her speech 1105 01:04:42,246 --> 01:04:44,714 to make sure she didn't say that. 1106 01:04:44,748 --> 01:04:48,452 - Was she being paid by Operation Rescue? 1107 01:04:48,485 --> 01:04:51,956 - No. No, she was not. 1108 01:04:55,759 --> 01:04:57,594 - Yes, Norma would be paid. 1109 01:04:59,229 --> 01:05:02,532 At a few points, she was actually on the payroll, 1110 01:05:02,566 --> 01:05:03,867 so to speak. 1111 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,802 You know, there were so many different elements 1112 01:05:05,835 --> 01:05:09,940 of the movement that were cutting checks to Norma. 1113 01:05:11,408 --> 01:05:13,743 I--I really will never know 1114 01:05:13,777 --> 01:05:15,879 how much was actually given to her. 1115 01:05:19,883 --> 01:05:22,786 Money was a constant source of tension. 1116 01:05:24,254 --> 01:05:26,756 And Norma would complain that she wasn't 1117 01:05:26,790 --> 01:05:28,925 getting enough money. 1118 01:05:28,959 --> 01:05:33,430 Her complaints were met with checks, 1119 01:05:33,463 --> 01:05:38,302 several hundred dollars to a few thousand at a time... 1120 01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:43,707 What we called "benevolence gifts." 1121 01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:48,145 There was some worry that if Norma wasn't paid sufficiently 1122 01:05:48,178 --> 01:05:50,447 that she would go back to the other side. 1123 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,416 - She did it for the money. 1124 01:05:52,449 --> 01:05:55,685 She said what they wanted her to say, 1125 01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:57,621 and she was willing to do it. 1126 01:05:57,654 --> 01:05:59,656 - If Norma was being paid 1127 01:05:59,689 --> 01:06:02,526 and she was being told what to say, 1128 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,461 do you see how it would be difficult for people 1129 01:06:04,494 --> 01:06:08,232 to believe any of the things she said during that era? 1130 01:06:08,265 --> 01:06:10,667 - Yes, yes. 1131 01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:12,469 One day you're selling Nissan, 1132 01:06:12,502 --> 01:06:14,771 and the next day you're selling Chevys. 1133 01:06:14,804 --> 01:06:16,906 It depends on who you're getting your paycheck from. 1134 01:06:16,940 --> 01:06:19,009 - Well, yeah, but she chose to be used. 1135 01:06:19,043 --> 01:06:20,344 That's called work. 1136 01:06:20,377 --> 01:06:21,745 That's what--you're getting paid for doing this. 1137 01:06:21,778 --> 01:06:24,548 Are they using you? Who's using you? 1138 01:06:24,581 --> 01:06:27,151 Who has hired you to do this thing? 1139 01:06:27,184 --> 01:06:29,619 Are they using you, or are you using them? 1140 01:06:29,653 --> 01:06:30,787 Which one? 1141 01:06:31,888 --> 01:06:35,125 - You know, for Christians like me... 1142 01:06:38,962 --> 01:06:42,432 There is no more important 1143 01:06:42,466 --> 01:06:44,168 or authoritative voice 1144 01:06:44,201 --> 01:06:47,471 than Jesus, and He said, 1145 01:06:47,504 --> 01:06:52,008 "What does it profit a man 1146 01:06:52,042 --> 01:06:55,645 "if he should gain the whole world 1147 01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:58,682 and lose his soul?" 1148 01:07:04,188 --> 01:07:08,358 When you do what we did to Norma... 1149 01:07:10,494 --> 01:07:12,496 You lose your soul. 1150 01:07:21,771 --> 01:07:26,343 - We're gonna go in there and have cosmetic surgery. 1151 01:07:26,376 --> 01:07:29,413 Oh, that feels good. 1152 01:07:29,446 --> 01:07:31,848 - Would you like something to drink? 1153 01:07:31,881 --> 01:07:34,218 - I'll take a mimosa. 1154 01:07:34,251 --> 01:07:36,520 Oh, thank you. 1155 01:07:45,595 --> 01:07:46,896 Oh. 1156 01:07:46,930 --> 01:07:50,867 Well, gee, someone drank all mine. 1157 01:07:53,503 --> 01:07:55,405 - We're about to get a lot more results. 1158 01:07:55,439 --> 01:07:57,741 Stand by. We're gonna go over to John King. 1159 01:07:57,774 --> 01:08:01,077 - I wish I knew how many abortions 1160 01:08:01,111 --> 01:08:05,249 Donald Trump was responsible for. 1161 01:08:05,282 --> 01:08:08,485 I'm sure he's lost count, 1162 01:08:08,518 --> 01:08:11,221 you know, or if he can count that high. 1163 01:08:11,255 --> 01:08:14,191 - More results coming in from Kentucky right now. 1164 01:08:14,224 --> 01:08:18,895 - I want Hillary Clinton to be the president tonight. 1165 01:08:18,928 --> 01:08:20,029 - All right, take a look at this... 1166 01:08:20,063 --> 01:08:21,565 - There we go. 1167 01:08:21,598 --> 01:08:23,567 - Hillary Clinton has now taken the lead in Florida 1168 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,934 and North Carolina. 1169 01:08:24,968 --> 01:08:29,673 - No, Roe isn't going anywhere, no. 1170 01:08:29,706 --> 01:08:34,478 It's not going to be tampered with. 1171 01:08:34,511 --> 01:08:37,147 They can try, 1172 01:08:37,181 --> 01:08:39,883 but it's not happening, baby. 1173 01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:52,596 Shit. 1174 01:08:52,629 --> 01:08:56,433 "Donald Trump will become the 45th president 1175 01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:59,469 of the United States." 1176 01:08:59,503 --> 01:09:02,339 When I found out this morning, 1177 01:09:02,372 --> 01:09:05,475 I just started shaking, I mean, you know, trembling. 1178 01:09:07,344 --> 01:09:10,214 It's almost-- 1179 01:09:10,247 --> 01:09:14,918 it's almost dark inside my brain. 1180 01:09:14,951 --> 01:09:17,187 Yeah, I'm gonna go get sick. 1181 01:09:29,833 --> 01:09:32,802 - I still identify as an evangelical, 1182 01:09:32,836 --> 01:09:34,003 but I like to think of myself 1183 01:09:34,037 --> 01:09:38,808 as lovingly critical of my community. 1184 01:09:38,842 --> 01:09:43,347 I guess in some ways I'd like to use whatever years 1185 01:09:43,380 --> 01:09:46,149 I have remaining to undo 1186 01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:49,052 the damage that I did 1187 01:09:49,085 --> 01:09:51,688 and that many movement leaders did 1188 01:09:51,721 --> 01:09:53,490 on the pro-life side. 1189 01:09:56,226 --> 01:09:58,295 I used to think that Roe v. Wade 1190 01:09:58,328 --> 01:10:01,030 would never be overturned. 1191 01:10:01,064 --> 01:10:06,002 I think Roe v. Wade could be overturned now, 1192 01:10:06,035 --> 01:10:09,273 and I think the result of that 1193 01:10:09,306 --> 01:10:14,544 would be chaos and pain, 1194 01:10:14,578 --> 01:10:16,513 and to impose that kind of crisis 1195 01:10:16,546 --> 01:10:20,850 on a woman is unthinkable. 1196 01:10:37,501 --> 01:10:39,135 - I know you are. 1197 01:10:41,405 --> 01:10:46,075 - I know you're leaving, and I love you very much, 1198 01:10:46,109 --> 01:10:48,412 and I'm glad that you were my mom 1199 01:10:48,445 --> 01:10:51,881 and that I got to have this time with you. 1200 01:10:51,915 --> 01:10:56,219 But the time we've had, I really have enjoyed you. 1201 01:11:23,613 --> 01:11:26,249 - We love you too, Mom. 1202 01:11:39,829 --> 01:11:42,265 - The woman whose case led to the Roe v. Wade 1203 01:11:42,298 --> 01:11:45,569 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion has died. 1204 01:11:47,637 --> 01:11:49,606 - The Texas native later expressed remorse 1205 01:11:49,639 --> 01:11:51,107 for her role in the case. 1206 01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:54,544 - In 1995 McCorvey converted to evangelical Christianity. 1207 01:11:54,578 --> 01:11:58,181 She became a passionate pro-life advocate. 1208 01:11:58,214 --> 01:12:01,985 - Politically, Roe versus Wade has also remained divisive. 1209 01:12:02,018 --> 01:12:05,789 The question now is, could it be overturned? 1210 01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:08,324 - I was sad to hear the news of her passing. 1211 01:12:08,358 --> 01:12:10,994 From a policy standpoint, 1212 01:12:11,027 --> 01:12:12,295 I think we're in a dangerous spot 1213 01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:14,798 when it comes to a woman's right to choose. 1214 01:12:14,831 --> 01:12:16,132 - She has left a legacy 1215 01:12:16,165 --> 01:12:17,934 that has helped to protect millions of women. 1216 01:12:17,967 --> 01:12:19,869 - Absolutely. Gloria Allred, thank you so much. 1217 01:12:19,903 --> 01:12:21,170 I appreciate your time. - Thank you. 1218 01:12:21,204 --> 01:12:23,339 - Thank you. 1219 01:12:40,724 --> 01:12:43,527 - I have been in so many church services with Ms. Norma, 1220 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,164 and this is as quiet as she has been that I can remember. 1221 01:12:48,197 --> 01:12:50,166 When she was baptized, she came out a new person. 1222 01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:53,703 It looked like she'd dropped 30 years from her life. 1223 01:12:53,737 --> 01:12:56,673 It was just the sunshine and the radiance of Almighty God 1224 01:12:56,706 --> 01:12:59,175 just pouring out of her, and you... 1225 01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:02,211 - I was quietly hoping that this 1226 01:13:02,245 --> 01:13:04,280 would end up a kind of intimate affair 1227 01:13:04,313 --> 01:13:07,551 where we would really reflect honestly, 1228 01:13:07,584 --> 01:13:11,488 candidly about the woman we knew 1229 01:13:11,521 --> 01:13:13,189 as Norma McCorvey. 1230 01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:15,792 - And the poster child for the pro-choice movement. 1231 01:13:15,825 --> 01:13:20,329 - Norma's funeral was the last public event 1232 01:13:20,363 --> 01:13:23,066 where she was exploited 1233 01:13:23,099 --> 01:13:25,702 as a trophy for the movement, 1234 01:13:25,735 --> 01:13:29,873 as a cardboard cutout. 1235 01:13:29,906 --> 01:13:32,208 - This is the truth that sets people free, 1236 01:13:32,241 --> 01:13:34,811 and it was the truth that set her free. 1237 01:13:34,844 --> 01:13:36,913 - They're assholes. 1238 01:13:36,946 --> 01:13:40,216 They act-- they all act like God sent them 1239 01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:42,251 to preach the Gospel. 1240 01:13:44,253 --> 01:13:47,223 - We're going to hear some quick reflections now 1241 01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:52,028 from her daughter Melissa and granddaughter Jordan. 1242 01:13:53,863 --> 01:13:55,832 - I just want to tell everybody thank you 1243 01:13:55,865 --> 01:13:57,867 for all your love and support for her 1244 01:13:57,901 --> 01:14:01,270 and everything everybody's done for her in the past. 1245 01:14:01,304 --> 01:14:03,807 The last few months of her life, 1246 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,609 she started a documentary 1247 01:14:05,642 --> 01:14:08,912 to show who she was in the end and-- 1248 01:14:08,945 --> 01:14:12,115 and as a person, just Norma. 1249 01:14:12,148 --> 01:14:15,952 - Her whole life was an attempt 1250 01:14:15,985 --> 01:14:18,655 to tell her real story. 1251 01:14:18,688 --> 01:14:21,290 That never really happened. 1252 01:14:21,324 --> 01:14:24,227 I hope it can posthumously. 1253 01:14:25,595 --> 01:14:28,732 - God has a plan for everyone's life. 1254 01:14:28,765 --> 01:14:30,600 It was written in the Book of Life 1255 01:14:30,634 --> 01:14:33,369 that I get stomped on and shit on 1256 01:14:33,402 --> 01:14:35,705 and everything like that, 1257 01:14:35,739 --> 01:14:38,942 but then in the end I would prevail. 1258 01:14:40,677 --> 01:14:42,946 - Some of you knew Norma as Ms. Norma. 1259 01:14:42,979 --> 01:14:44,681 Some of you knew her as Jane Roe, 1260 01:14:44,714 --> 01:14:46,950 but I knew her as Grandma Mame. 1261 01:14:46,983 --> 01:14:49,986 Mame had a very unique way of making people laugh and smile. 1262 01:14:50,019 --> 01:14:54,123 It may not have always been the most appropriate comments, 1263 01:14:54,157 --> 01:14:57,493 but she always noted what no one else would say. 1264 01:14:57,527 --> 01:14:59,563 My grandmother taught me to believe in myself 1265 01:14:59,596 --> 01:15:02,031 and to stand up for what I believed in. 1266 01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:05,969 - Women have been having abortions 1267 01:15:06,002 --> 01:15:07,971 for thousands of years. 1268 01:15:08,004 --> 01:15:10,640 If it's just the woman's choice, then-- 1269 01:15:10,674 --> 01:15:14,110 and she chooses to have an abortion, 1270 01:15:14,143 --> 01:15:15,478 then it should be safe. 1271 01:15:15,511 --> 01:15:18,915 Roe versus Wade helps save women's lives. 1272 01:15:24,788 --> 01:15:28,658 - I couldn't agree more with Norma. 1273 01:15:34,463 --> 01:15:37,867 Unless you can put yourself 1274 01:15:37,901 --> 01:15:42,839 in the mind of a woman facing a pregnancy 1275 01:15:42,872 --> 01:15:45,909 she is not ready for, 1276 01:15:45,942 --> 01:15:49,846 you cannot pronounce 1277 01:15:49,879 --> 01:15:51,414 what she must do. 1278 01:15:56,085 --> 01:15:59,022 - I don't really give a damn what people think. 1279 01:15:59,055 --> 01:16:00,657 It's my mind. 1280 01:16:00,690 --> 01:16:03,627 They can't tell me how to think. 1281 01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:05,561 They can't tell me what to say. 1282 01:16:08,331 --> 01:16:12,101 And they damn sure can't tell me what to do. 1283 01:16:18,574 --> 01:16:21,577 That's the name of that game. 1284 01:19:35,972 --> 01:19:38,207 MAN: I had no idea what I would find 1285 01:19:38,241 --> 01:19:40,043 when I went searching for my father. 1286 01:19:40,076 --> 01:19:42,846 They flashed the Zodiac Killer, and my heart stopped. 1287 01:19:42,879 --> 01:19:45,581 WOMAN: He believes he is the son of the Zodiac. 1288 01:19:51,988 --> 01:19:53,957 I would like to explore the idea 1289 01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:55,724 of tokenism in the workplace, 1290 01:19:55,758 --> 01:19:58,127 where one minority is propped up 1291 01:19:58,161 --> 01:20:00,796 to cover the experience of the entire population. 1292 01:20:00,830 --> 01:20:02,231 WOMAN: That's interesting. 1293 01:20:02,265 --> 01:20:04,267 Wait. Sorry. You're not saying you feel that way here? 1294 01:20:04,834 --> 01:20:05,835 (inhales) 1295 01:20:14,210 --> 01:20:15,278 What is Devs? 1296 01:20:17,513 --> 01:20:18,948 What is Devs? 1297 01:20:18,982 --> 01:20:20,083 What is Devs? 1298 01:20:21,517 --> 01:20:23,286 What is Devs? 1299 01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:24,253 (horn honks) 1300 01:20:24,287 --> 01:20:25,154 What is Devs? 1301 01:20:25,855 --> 01:20:27,123 What is Devs? 1302 01:20:28,091 --> 01:20:29,292 What is Devs? 1303 01:20:44,473 --> 01:20:46,142 GUILLERMO: The journey was perilous, 1304 01:20:46,175 --> 01:20:49,845 but Nandor the Relentless stood tall and proud. 1305 01:20:49,879 --> 01:20:54,350 Thus, the noble vampire set sail to conquer the new world 1306 01:20:54,383 --> 01:20:56,685 for the greater glory of the undead. 1307 01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:00,089 -Does my hair really look that billowy? -(wind blows) 1308 01:21:00,123 --> 01:21:01,690 Looks fantastic. 1309 01:21:01,724 --> 01:21:04,160 I'd never wear anything like that. 1310 01:21:05,328 --> 01:21:07,696 (retching) 1311 01:21:10,199 --> 01:21:12,635 (gagging, coughing) 1312 01:21:12,668 --> 01:21:13,702 (squeaks)