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(BIRDS SINGING)
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♪ (PEACEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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(WATER LAPPING)
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MIKE OTIS:
How did I get here? (LAUGHS)
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How did that happen?
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Was it something unholy,
something...
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circumspect,
something that was evil?
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WENDI BABST: You know,
I can't believe that...
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we're the only ones.
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JONATHAN STENSLAND:
Did you ever think
we'd find out?
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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CATHY HOLM: In those days,
in the '60s,
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it was get married...
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have kids...
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everything's gonna go nice
for the rest of your life.
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♪ (GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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CATHY: Las Vegas was not nearly
as busy as it is now.
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Not crowded.
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It was nice.
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I was 22.
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All my friends
were having babies
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right off the bat
and everything,
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and we didn't have one.
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People would ask,
"Well, when are you guys
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going to start your family?"
You know?
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But it wasn't easy
to get pregnant.
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A lot of pressure.
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It wasn't just the pressure.
I just wanted one.
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I wanted kids.
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♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪
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Nobody had any solutions...
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until I went to Dr. Fortier.
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♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Dr. Fortier, he was listed
in the phone book
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as a fertility specialist.
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He just told us
to bring samples in
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and that he would
do the insemination
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with my husband's sperm samples.
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I thought, "Well, it's worth
a try," you know?
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♪ (MYSTERIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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CATHY: And then over time I,
you know, I would look at Wendi
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and I'd think, "Gee, you know,
it's really funny that
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she doesn't really resemble...
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her father's side of the family
at all."
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As she grew up, I thought,
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"Where'd she get
all these brains?"
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She didn't get them from me,
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and I didn't think her father
was all that smart. (CHUCKLES)
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I mean,
he was like I was, average.
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♪ (SERENE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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WENDI: I was a detective
for almost 13 years.
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I retired from my job.
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I needed some more things
to keep me busy,
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and so I thought, "Well,
maybe I'll do some genealogy."
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I think every person
thinks that when they retire.
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So I bought
an ancestry dot com kit.
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You know, you always see
the commercials
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and people are having
these great results.
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I had a bunch of matches,
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which initially I thought
were first cousins.
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But I don't have
any first cousins.
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When I noticed that I had
half sibling matches,
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I knew something wasn't right.
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The only name that I kept seeing
was Fortier.
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I knew I needed to talk
to my mother.
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I said, "I did a DNA test,
and my dad's not my dad.
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And my dad
was the fertility doctor
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that you were seeing
in Las Vegas."
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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HANNAH OLSON: Do you think you
would've ever gone for a donor?
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CATHY:
No, I didn't even know.
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I didn't.
Never even thought about it.
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Did you know that
people even did that?
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No.
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Hmm, yeah, I wondered if it--
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I didn't.
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You know, 'cause stuff like that
wasn't really talked about.
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You know, it was probably
kind of a new thing, even.
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But if it had been an option,
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I'm pretty sure
we wouldn't have done it.
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♪ (JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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DR. FRANK SILVER:
There's a normal ovary.
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This is an abnormal ovary.
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Yeah. That was really a--
As they say, a, uh...
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monster.
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Oh, there-- there's a tumor.
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Uh, but that's not
what I wanted to show you.
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This is her again.
She was showing me shoes.
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She's pretty cute.
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That's a uterus
with the tubes in it.
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Ah! A sunset...
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on the Pacific, huh?
What do you think of that?
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You know what she said?
She said...
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"Thank you. You have...
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changed my life."
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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I'm a gynecologist.
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And a gynecology,
um, kind of specialty
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was something... that, um...
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was a door opener in Las Vegas
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because I would say
that 70 to 75 percent
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of the population
were females.
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♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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And they needed
some kind of, um,
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oversight
by a female physician.
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Not a female physician.
The female that treats...
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or a male that treats females.
Okay?
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This banana should soon,
any minute now,
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pop a big flower...
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that looks like
a hippopotamus's penis.
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It's a huge thing. It's huge.
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And the petals of it...
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okay, are the banana fruits
that we eat. Okay?
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So, once it does that, it dies.
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So this plant then dies,
but it made a baby.
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You have to understand,
I'm an obstetrician.
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That's my job. To give life.
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(CHUCKLES)
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Come on, I'll show you
some working.
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The number of OB-GYNs here,
which is my specialty,
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well, you could count
on your hands.
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And so Doctor Fortier said,
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"To heck with all of you others.
We'll start our own place."
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DR. SILVER:
Quincy was the inceptor
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of, uh, Women's Hospital.
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We were delivering
thousands, thousands.
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I would say I delivered...
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probably in excess of
maybe close to 5,000 babies.
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It was such a great
little center for females.
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DR. HARRISON SHELD:
We treated conditions
associated with infertility,
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not having any of the modalities
we have today...
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especially genetics.
We didn't have any of that.
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There was no sperm bank.
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We had no way to know that
you could freeze sperm, okay?
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Which meant we had to use
fresh sperm.
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And in a medical school
or a hospital,
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you could be a donor.
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It was more or less informal.
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You know, I was a donor.
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When I was a medical student,
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we would sell our-- our goods
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for 50 dollars a sample,
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and they would pull the sperm
and then inseminate these women.
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-HANNAH: How do you do it?
-A syringe.
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You just use a syringe
with a long, uh, needle on it,
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and you just put it
into the cervix, actually.
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And it's one, two, three.
Nothing to it, really.
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♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Quincy, he was doing
some fertility work,
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uh, but it was unbeknownst
to the patients.
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But in those days,
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they didn't even
understand DNA then.
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If someone was fertilized
out of that sperm sample,
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they would never be able to say
who was the father of a baby.
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♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪
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QUINCY FORTIER JR.:
I grew up in that hospital...
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-(FEET TAPPING)
-...chasing up my father
on his rounds. It was fun.
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I had four older sisters
and a little brother.
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My older sister
was my mother's daughter.
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My mother had been married
before to somebody else.
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My father was a brilliant,
brilliant man.
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He could look at your toenails
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and tell you your teeth
were rotten, and he'd be right.
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He understood the human body.
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Women got pregnant
when they went to him.
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Other doctors couldn't
figure it out. He could.
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He knew what to do
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or whatever needed to be done...
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which led him
to using his own sperm.
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HANNAH: How do you know
that your father was doing this?
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Because he told us.
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HANNAH: But what did he say?
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He just said that,
"I'm just helping out."
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HANNAH: How many siblings
do you think you have?
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QUINCY JR.: Hundreds.
Plural, yeah. Lots and lots.
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My father was real busy.
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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(MOUSE CLICKS)
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HANNAH: How many siblings
have you found?
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WENDI: Well, at least 14.
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(MOUSE CLICKING)
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The first thing, when
I started contacting people,
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was, "Can I see a picture?
What do you look like?"
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If I'm looking at
all these features,
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trying to say,
"Well, what is common?"
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Yeah, I think
I'm probably the only sibling
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that doesn't look
like the other siblings
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that I've seen so far.
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I think everybody else has
a pretty common nose.
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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You know, I've seen
some of my siblings
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on their family trees
have listed him as their father.
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I'm not ready to do that.
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(MOUSE CLICKING)
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I have found half-siblings
that were born in the 1940s,
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in the '70s, and in the '80s.
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Two that are almost the same age
as my oldest son...
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and some as old as 70.
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I've emailed
a couple of the people
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that I was matched to,
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and I said, you know,
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"Hello, I just received
a close DNA match to you.
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Think I have figured it out,
but it is a bit of a story.
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Would you be willing to
talk/message with me about it?"
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He said, "I'm very willing to
talk about our close connection.
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If your story involves
infertility, you are not alone.
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I may be his oldest child."
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He died in 2006
at the age of 93.
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(MOUSE CLICKS)
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Everything I can find that
paints a picture of who he was
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is important to me.
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You know, I'm putting it
together like a case,
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just like a case.
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(CAR DOOR SLAMS)
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I'm-- I'm a-- I'm a digger.
I'm an investigator at heart.
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♪ (GUITAR MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I've been trained my whole life
to go into cop mode.
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I started
when I was 19 years old.
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I worked my way up
and retired as a captain.
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I worked mostly major crimes
investigations,
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lots of homicides
and cold cases.
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What we do in a case like this,
if the--
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if there is any inkling,
we are better safe than sorry.
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We're gonna do
a full investigation.
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We're gonna cover all our bases.
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I'm one of those people
that, I wanna know.
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I wanna solve the mystery,
and I wanna know.
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And that's how I feel with this.
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I've thought a lot about
whether or not he knew
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he would be caught.
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I think even he didn't foresee
that for, you know, 69 dollars,
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you could send in a sample
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and connect yourself with people
all over the world.
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I just-- I think
he didn't see that coming.
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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BRAD GULKO:
My name is Brad Gulko.
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My PhD is
in human evolutionary genomics.
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People tend to confuse
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what is unknown
with what is unknowable.
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And, so, a lot of things
like parentage
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was ultimately unknowable,
right?
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You could do a blood test,
maybe you could find out
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a little bit of information,
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but the idea
that you could pin down
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with statistical certainty
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who was your parent
was an unknowable.
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It turns out
it wasn't unknowable,
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it was just unknown.
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So, these genetic tests
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have now come to produce
scientific answers
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on things that were previously
thought not just unknown,
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but not fundamentally knowable.
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And in that way,
they seem almost mystical.
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♪ (MYSTERIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
261
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Well, my first sense, I think,
was a sense of sinking.
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I didn't know about Dr. Fortier
until about two months ago.
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Fortier?
Is that how you pronounce it?
265
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See, I actually don't know.
266
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My mom, uh, lives
in Southern California,
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and in her housing complex
randomly ran into somebody...
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who, uh,
was talking about Las Vegas.
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And it came up
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that I was born
at a particular hospital,
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and she heard about
him using his own sperm.
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And my mom realized, "Wow,
I was a fertility patient...
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at that practice at that time."
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I later found out
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he was a personal friend
of my father's.
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They served together
in the Civil Air Patrol,
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and my dad really liked him
and looked up to him.
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And Dr. Fortier
did actually deliver me.
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He's on my birth certificate.
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So, I decided to get
my DNA sequenced,
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and, uh, my sister's came back
99.5 percent Ashkenazi Jew,
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and mine came back, uh, 51.2.
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♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪
284
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I always wondered about
the blue eyes, though.
285
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(MIKE CHUCKLING SOFTLY)
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MIKE: Gosh,
it was a couple of years ago.
287
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I was trying to find what tribe
my grandmother came from.
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♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
289
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Most likely Native American.
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And I get this information back
and look at it,
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and, "Who are these
Fortier people?"
292
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When I was born,
my mother still talks about
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how her sisters were upset
294
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that how did she come out
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with a blonde-haired,
blue-eyed child?
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Perhaps the doctors saw
that she was married to,
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um, imperfect selection,
shall we say?
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Part Native American,
he had olive skin, dark hair,
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and he was going
to give her a gift.
300
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Maybe I'm a gift.
301
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♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
302
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♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
303
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BRAD: I think there's a natural
human drive to reproduce...
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and to reproduce as diversely
and as fruitfully as possible.
305
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
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I can understand why somebody
would have a primary motivation
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to use their own sperm
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and to see somebody
who you feel like is attractive
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carrying your child.
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Simple, uh, straightforward.
311
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And most people
at a civilized society realize,
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well, you can't just do that.
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I feel like...
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uh, Dr. Fortier...
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found a way to justify
in his own mind,
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I imagine, found a way
to justify in his own mind
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doing what he wanted to do,
318
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um, that didn't violate
his ethical norms too much,
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even if it pushed them
pretty hard...
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As being the result of
that kind of a decision...
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I don't know. I think I'm still
struggling with that.
322
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I don't know where I'll end up.
323
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(PLANE ENGINE ROARING)
324
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(FILM WHIRRING)
325
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WENDI: Height
five foot, ten inches.
326
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Weight,
one... maybe sixty-five.
327
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Blue eyes.
328
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(PROJECTOR RATTLING)
329
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The physician and his wife had
five other children together
330
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before they divorced
in the 1960s.
331
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He later adopted
two more daughters.
332
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Hmm.
333
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♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
334
00:22:57,626 --> 00:23:01,000
He's just saying that he mixed
his sperm with her husband's
335
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and that, you know, would help
with the, quote, "swim-up."
336
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And that he'd done it before.
337
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
338
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He was impregnating people
into his 70s.
339
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He never lost his license.
340
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He died in good standing.
341
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,584
You know, he just was able to
kinda get away with doing this,
342
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just paid the people off,
343
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and now they're not allowed
to talk about it.
344
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I think they gave him
the benefit of the doubt
345
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and just let him
continue to practice.
346
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(TURN SIGNAL TICKING)
347
00:23:56,834 --> 00:23:58,584
You know, I know
that there's gotta be
348
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some influence
from his genetics in me.
349
00:24:01,667 --> 00:24:03,626
I just want to know
what that is.
350
00:24:10,459 --> 00:24:14,292
I struggle with whether or not
I think he was a good person.
351
00:24:14,375 --> 00:24:19,250
(SIGHS) Do you wanna say that
your father was a monster?
352
00:24:20,334 --> 00:24:22,000
And what does that say
about you?
353
00:24:23,584 --> 00:24:28,250
♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
354
00:24:57,292 --> 00:24:59,834
(CHUCKLING)
355
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♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
356
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REPORTER 1:
Dr. Quincy Fortier is a legend
357
00:26:07,918 --> 00:26:09,459
in Las Vegas medical circles.
358
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His private practice began
in 1945.
359
00:26:13,751 --> 00:26:16,125
Fortier continued
his fertility practice
360
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from a small office
behind his home
361
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even after passing
his 90th birthday.
362
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:23,751
In 1991, he was honored
363
00:26:23,834 --> 00:26:26,000
as Nevada's
physician of the year,
364
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but the good doctor
harbored dark secrets.
365
00:26:28,834 --> 00:26:32,542
REPORTER 2: Mary Craddock
wanted one of these, a baby.
366
00:26:32,626 --> 00:26:34,751
She and her husband tried
and tried.
367
00:26:34,834 --> 00:26:37,334
Then, with the help
of an infertility specialist,
368
00:26:37,417 --> 00:26:39,709
Mary says she finally got
what she wanted,
369
00:26:39,792 --> 00:26:41,584
or so she thought.
370
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:46,209
DNA tests show the doctor
is actually the father.
371
00:26:46,292 --> 00:26:50,375
REPORTER 3: Mary Craddock suing
for at least 14 million dollars.
372
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REPORTER 4:
Fortier, now 93 years old,
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finally closed his practice,
374
00:26:55,876 --> 00:26:58,834
put his multi-million-dollar
estate into a trust,
375
00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:02,167
and counted on his lawyers
to keep a lid on the lawsuit.
376
00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:04,459
There's
a confidentiality agreement.
377
00:27:04,542 --> 00:27:08,542
It's reciprocal to both sides,
all parties and all lawyers.
378
00:27:10,209 --> 00:27:12,209
REPORTER 4: Briefs written
by Fortier's lawyer
379
00:27:12,292 --> 00:27:13,876
argue there is no Nevada law
380
00:27:13,959 --> 00:27:17,375
to prevent a doctor
from doing something like this.
381
00:27:17,459 --> 00:27:20,042
Lawyers for the doctor
are trying to settle the case
382
00:27:20,125 --> 00:27:22,083
and seal it,
and for an obvious reason.
383
00:27:22,167 --> 00:27:25,500
They worry how many other cases
might be lurking out there.
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♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
385
00:27:28,834 --> 00:27:30,667
NANNETTE FORTIER:
He was an old man
386
00:27:30,751 --> 00:27:34,167
who had dedicated his
entire life to helping people
387
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:36,167
because he loved people.
388
00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:39,959
And to have one of his patients
try to vilify him
389
00:27:40,042 --> 00:27:43,751
in the public light,
it-- it hurt him.
390
00:27:43,834 --> 00:27:45,542
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
391
00:27:45,626 --> 00:27:48,751
Back in those days,
often any kind of agreement
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00:27:48,834 --> 00:27:52,834
between a patient and himself
was just a verbal agreement.
393
00:27:52,918 --> 00:27:54,959
You sealed a deal
with a handshake.
394
00:27:57,083 --> 00:27:59,125
I learned
a different way of thinking
395
00:27:59,209 --> 00:28:02,125
about the press that time,
396
00:28:02,209 --> 00:28:04,584
and it has colored my thinking
ever since.
397
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,667
So, this is difficult...
398
00:28:11,459 --> 00:28:15,125
but if you love somebody,
you stand up for them.
399
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:19,292
It's the very, very least
I could do for my dad.
400
00:28:21,459 --> 00:28:24,626
HANNAH:
What was your dad like as a dad?
401
00:28:24,709 --> 00:28:27,876
NANNETTE: He said that we--
we saved him.
402
00:28:27,959 --> 00:28:29,667
He was going through a divorce
at that time,
403
00:28:29,751 --> 00:28:34,167
um, and was facing the loss
of his six other children.
404
00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:37,876
We were two babies.
405
00:28:37,959 --> 00:28:40,542
He delivered us, took us home
from the hospital.
406
00:28:40,626 --> 00:28:42,792
And the rest is history.
407
00:28:43,834 --> 00:28:46,792
HANNAH:
He adopted you at what age?
408
00:28:46,876 --> 00:28:49,542
NANNETTE: Um, I think
he would have been 55.
409
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,167
Many times, we were asked,
"Was that your grandpa?"
410
00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:04,125
"No, it's our dad."
411
00:29:08,626 --> 00:29:10,500
SONIA FORTIER: I love that one.
412
00:29:12,334 --> 00:29:14,042
Oh, this is a good one.
413
00:29:14,918 --> 00:29:16,584
It's high school graduation.
414
00:29:17,959 --> 00:29:19,792
(CHUCKLES) You wanna see?
415
00:29:19,876 --> 00:29:22,334
-NANNETTE: Oh, my God.
-(SONIA CHUCKLES)
416
00:29:24,876 --> 00:29:26,125
♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪
417
00:29:26,209 --> 00:29:28,876
NANNETTE: Look, it's the
American Institute of Hypnosis.
418
00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:30,292
SONIA:
He used to hypnotize himself
419
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:32,209
instead of taking
anesthesia for, like--
420
00:29:32,292 --> 00:29:33,959
NANNETTE: Yeah, he didn't like
pain medication
421
00:29:34,042 --> 00:29:35,709
because it fogged his mind.
422
00:29:36,417 --> 00:29:38,167
He circumcised himself.
423
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:40,626
How many men
do you know can do that? Um...
424
00:29:40,709 --> 00:29:42,751
You know, but let's...
425
00:29:42,834 --> 00:29:44,167
See, he donated
a lot of money to
426
00:29:44,250 --> 00:29:45,667
a lot of different organizations
and of course,
427
00:29:45,751 --> 00:29:48,250
as soon as he did that,
then he would become a member.
428
00:29:51,042 --> 00:29:53,167
He would see patients
on a Sunday or a Saturday.
429
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,042
Sometimes he'd see them
at five or six in the morning.
430
00:29:56,125 --> 00:29:57,751
♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
431
00:29:57,834 --> 00:30:00,667
He moved the practice,
uh, into our home,
432
00:30:00,751 --> 00:30:03,375
which I know some people
who think that that's odd,
433
00:30:03,459 --> 00:30:06,459
but everybody's home life is...
434
00:30:07,834 --> 00:30:08,959
different.
435
00:30:10,959 --> 00:30:12,167
Oh, my--
436
00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:13,876
My dad had
a great love of music,
437
00:30:13,959 --> 00:30:15,542
and he had us
take piano lessons,
438
00:30:15,626 --> 00:30:17,375
and sometimes,
we'd come home from school
439
00:30:17,459 --> 00:30:19,167
and there would be
patients in the living room
440
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:23,500
and we had to practice
with an audience. (CHUCKLES)
441
00:30:23,584 --> 00:30:26,209
And obviously, some people
might think it would be weird
442
00:30:26,292 --> 00:30:30,626
for an OB-GYN to be treating
his own daughters.
443
00:30:30,709 --> 00:30:32,042
But I was so grateful,
444
00:30:32,125 --> 00:30:35,042
not only because he was such
a phenomenal doctor,
445
00:30:35,125 --> 00:30:36,500
but loved me, too.
446
00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:38,417
You can't ask
for anything better.
447
00:30:40,876 --> 00:30:43,417
I knew how much people
needed him.
448
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,042
Did they need
an emergency appendectomy?
449
00:30:46,125 --> 00:30:47,250
He was there for them.
450
00:30:47,334 --> 00:30:50,375
Needed a tooth pulled?
(CHUCKLES) He could do that.
451
00:30:50,459 --> 00:30:53,250
If you wanted to have a baby,
you'd come to him.
452
00:30:56,042 --> 00:30:58,542
HANNAH: Did you know
that he was doing this?
453
00:30:58,626 --> 00:31:01,459
-NANNETTE: Doing what?
-HANNAH: Using his own semen.
454
00:31:02,751 --> 00:31:06,459
NANNETTE: Um, once this
came out, we'd have discussions,
455
00:31:06,542 --> 00:31:09,709
and I think that
him using his own sperm,
456
00:31:09,792 --> 00:31:14,000
to him, was no different
than using his own blood.
457
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,542
People were so desperate
to have a child
458
00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,584
and really wanted it so badly,
459
00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:23,292
and he couldn't do it any
other way, then of course...
460
00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:26,626
You know, if there was a way,
a will and a way, then...
461
00:31:27,709 --> 00:31:29,375
there it goes.
462
00:31:29,459 --> 00:31:32,626
And in his mind,
he meant no harm.
463
00:31:32,709 --> 00:31:35,834
♪ (MYSTERIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
464
00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:50,417
NANNETTE:
In his mind, he provided
465
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:54,000
a biological necessity.
466
00:31:57,083 --> 00:31:59,751
But then,
what went on after that,
467
00:31:59,834 --> 00:32:02,834
was then another family.
That was--
468
00:32:02,918 --> 00:32:06,042
That was their family then,
and he was removed from that.
469
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,500
HANNAH:
Why didn't he tell patients
470
00:32:09,584 --> 00:32:11,626
that he was using
his own sperm?
471
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:17,083
I don't think that people
had as much, um...
472
00:32:20,918 --> 00:32:23,125
desire to know their backgrounds
473
00:32:23,209 --> 00:32:25,125
and things like that
as they do now.
474
00:32:25,209 --> 00:32:28,792
I think people were, um, happier
with knowing that
475
00:32:28,876 --> 00:32:30,542
their family was their family.
476
00:32:35,042 --> 00:32:36,584
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
477
00:32:41,167 --> 00:32:43,209
CATHY: I think the part
that bothers me the most
478
00:32:43,292 --> 00:32:45,918
is the fact that I trusted him.
479
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,792
HANNAH: What do you think he did
with your husband's sample?
480
00:32:50,918 --> 00:32:53,834
Well, I know that
the ones I read about online
481
00:32:53,918 --> 00:32:57,042
said that--
he said that he had mixed--
482
00:32:57,125 --> 00:33:01,751
mixed, you know--
then donor thing and--
483
00:33:01,834 --> 00:33:02,918
I don't know.
484
00:33:05,167 --> 00:33:06,209
I don't know.
485
00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:12,500
I do know that when I was
in there, in his office,
486
00:33:12,584 --> 00:33:16,459
for my exam and whatever
procedure he was doing,
487
00:33:16,542 --> 00:33:18,250
that he was in and out of the...
488
00:33:19,167 --> 00:33:20,209
the exam room...
489
00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:23,709
two or three times, and I--
490
00:33:23,792 --> 00:33:25,584
At the time, I did kinda wonder,
491
00:33:25,667 --> 00:33:27,292
"I wonder why he keeps
going in and out,
492
00:33:27,375 --> 00:33:29,375
in and out, in and out,"
you know?
493
00:33:30,459 --> 00:33:33,083
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
494
00:33:36,417 --> 00:33:38,459
I do feel like I have to
protect my mom.
495
00:33:40,459 --> 00:33:41,751
And I can't, and I couldn't.
496
00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:43,834
I wasn't there,
and there's nothing I can do,
497
00:33:43,918 --> 00:33:46,209
and I-- and, you know,
my own selfishness
498
00:33:46,292 --> 00:33:47,626
probably kept me
from protecting her
499
00:33:47,709 --> 00:33:49,542
even from the secret
because I had to know.
500
00:33:49,626 --> 00:33:52,209
I just had to know more,
once I found out.
501
00:33:54,083 --> 00:33:56,292
HANNAH:
Do you regret telling her?
502
00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:59,500
I do feel guilty about
telling her, because...
503
00:33:59,584 --> 00:34:02,459
you know, maybe it would be
better if she just didn't know.
504
00:34:06,709 --> 00:34:10,459
And I just remember her
starting to cry on the phone...
505
00:34:10,542 --> 00:34:14,542
and she said, um,
"He was older than my dad."
506
00:34:18,792 --> 00:34:19,876
All I could think of was,
507
00:34:19,959 --> 00:34:22,125
here is my sweet young mom
wanting a baby
508
00:34:22,209 --> 00:34:24,876
and being in love
with her husband and happy...
509
00:34:24,959 --> 00:34:26,209
and just wanting a baby.
510
00:34:26,292 --> 00:34:28,250
And this-- this old man--
511
00:34:28,334 --> 00:34:29,834
'cause to someone
who's 23 years old,
512
00:34:29,918 --> 00:34:32,083
a 53-year-old person
is an old man--
513
00:34:32,709 --> 00:34:34,751
um, doing this to her...
514
00:34:38,667 --> 00:34:41,292
Um, my father is passed away...
515
00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:43,417
and I'm very glad
he didn't know.
516
00:34:45,334 --> 00:34:46,918
It would have devastated him.
517
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,250
(KEYBOARD CLACKING)
518
00:34:55,584 --> 00:34:59,375
Yep. Came up. Here we go.
This is my real tree.
519
00:35:01,417 --> 00:35:02,417
Family tree.
520
00:35:03,751 --> 00:35:07,667
I think most of us that have
a tree online have two trees.
521
00:35:07,751 --> 00:35:10,584
We have the tree
of what we're supposed to be,
522
00:35:10,667 --> 00:35:12,375
and we have the tree
of what we are.
523
00:35:12,459 --> 00:35:14,334
And, usually,
what we are is hidden.
524
00:35:19,459 --> 00:35:23,334
Windows 10 says we're one
and the same person. (LAUGHS)
525
00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:29,375
I wouldn't mind
making it public, except that...
526
00:35:30,334 --> 00:35:32,626
You know,
after I tell my mother.
527
00:35:32,709 --> 00:35:34,042
That's the only thing.
528
00:35:40,667 --> 00:35:43,584
My mother, she was so afraid
529
00:35:43,667 --> 00:35:46,250
I was gonna turn out
like her first husband,
530
00:35:46,334 --> 00:35:48,459
the man I thought
was my father.
531
00:35:51,626 --> 00:35:54,083
He could do
these violent things.
532
00:35:56,292 --> 00:35:59,125
He left her
when I was a little kid.
533
00:35:59,209 --> 00:36:02,417
I knew he was gone.
I knew he wasn't coming back.
534
00:36:06,709 --> 00:36:11,209
So I inherited this very
negative context of who I was
535
00:36:11,292 --> 00:36:13,959
by who she thought
my father was.
536
00:36:16,584 --> 00:36:18,459
I wasn't going
to tell her initially.
537
00:36:18,542 --> 00:36:21,250
I had it in my mind
not to tell her.
538
00:36:21,334 --> 00:36:27,042
And then, my gut thinking
that, well, this, uh--
539
00:36:27,125 --> 00:36:29,292
I don't have any right
not to tell her.
540
00:36:30,626 --> 00:36:32,709
Who else can I share it with,
you know?
541
00:36:32,792 --> 00:36:34,667
Who do I go back with
the longest?
542
00:36:34,751 --> 00:36:36,459
And that's my mother.
543
00:36:36,542 --> 00:36:39,751
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
544
00:36:46,083 --> 00:36:48,500
(CARS DRIVING DISTANTLY)
545
00:36:50,459 --> 00:36:53,751
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
546
00:37:10,959 --> 00:37:13,292
WENDI:
I can be distant from people.
547
00:37:13,375 --> 00:37:16,042
I'm quiet.
I like to be to myself.
548
00:37:17,667 --> 00:37:20,417
My tendency to be
kind of cool and clinical
549
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:23,167
did serve me very well
in the work that I did.
550
00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:26,959
But I worry that that coldness,
you know, comes from him...
551
00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:35,292
because it's part of me.
It's half of who I am.
552
00:37:44,083 --> 00:37:46,500
I think that there can be good
in people
553
00:37:46,584 --> 00:37:50,125
that are doing bad things.
I-- I do think that.
554
00:37:50,209 --> 00:37:52,417
And, you know,
he builds this hospital
555
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,083
when he was first starting out
being a rural doctor
556
00:37:55,167 --> 00:37:58,334
in an area where, you know,
they desperately need doctors.
557
00:38:07,042 --> 00:38:08,209
(BIRD SQUAWKING)
558
00:38:24,626 --> 00:38:26,626
(DOOR OPENS, CREAKS)
559
00:38:35,584 --> 00:38:38,834
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
560
00:38:52,209 --> 00:38:54,959
WENDI: There's stuff
just kinda left behind.
561
00:39:08,417 --> 00:39:09,500
Unbelievable.
562
00:39:10,417 --> 00:39:12,751
There are, uh,
birth cards in here.
563
00:39:19,167 --> 00:39:22,083
Dr. Q. E. Fortier's
Pioche Hospital.
564
00:39:22,876 --> 00:39:24,250
Pioche, Nevada.
565
00:39:28,876 --> 00:39:31,209
Makes me wonder
how many cards he filled out
566
00:39:31,292 --> 00:39:32,876
for his own children.
567
00:39:42,375 --> 00:39:44,375
(PAPER RUSTLING)
568
00:40:24,751 --> 00:40:26,918
(LAUGHING)
569
00:41:05,542 --> 00:41:07,709
(THUNDER RUMBLING)
570
00:41:13,292 --> 00:41:14,959
MIKE: I was born in Pioche.
571
00:41:15,042 --> 00:41:17,250
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
572
00:41:19,626 --> 00:41:23,250
As a little kid,
I was always a little odd.
573
00:41:24,751 --> 00:41:27,626
You know, I did needlepoint
from the time I was three.
574
00:41:27,709 --> 00:41:31,500
I took apart a stuffed animal
because it stopped working
575
00:41:31,584 --> 00:41:33,542
and actually sewed it back up
576
00:41:33,626 --> 00:41:36,167
with the kit
from my needlepoint set.
577
00:41:38,292 --> 00:41:40,542
In the fourth grade,
I get announced to the class
578
00:41:40,626 --> 00:41:43,083
that I'm a bastard.
"Do you know what that means?
579
00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:44,584
It means he doesn't have
a father.
580
00:41:44,667 --> 00:41:46,500
He can never be a priest."
581
00:41:48,834 --> 00:41:51,584
And I wanted so much
to have a father.
582
00:41:51,667 --> 00:41:53,500
Everybody had a father.
583
00:41:55,459 --> 00:41:58,250
When I turned 18, I found him.
584
00:41:58,334 --> 00:42:03,209
And he was in a dive,
South of Market, alcoholic.
585
00:42:03,292 --> 00:42:06,209
"Hey," I beat on the door,
and he said, "Who are you?"
586
00:42:06,292 --> 00:42:07,834
And I said, "I'm your son."
587
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:09,751
I put my hand out.
588
00:42:10,918 --> 00:42:12,751
And that's how I met him.
589
00:42:12,834 --> 00:42:14,334
We talked for a while.
590
00:42:14,417 --> 00:42:16,334
Then he hit me up for 20 bucks.
591
00:42:17,626 --> 00:42:18,876
And I thought to myself,
592
00:42:18,959 --> 00:42:21,834
"That's the most expensive
20 bucks you ever got."
593
00:42:22,834 --> 00:42:26,250
♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
594
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,709
♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
595
00:42:33,792 --> 00:42:37,292
(PANTING)
596
00:42:45,542 --> 00:42:47,417
BRAD: I don't think it would be
controversial to say
597
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:52,375
50 percent of a person's traits,
behavior predispositions,
598
00:42:52,459 --> 00:42:54,375
are determined by DNA.
599
00:42:54,459 --> 00:42:56,876
♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
600
00:42:56,959 --> 00:42:59,876
My father
is very socially adept.
601
00:42:59,959 --> 00:43:02,417
Uh, he's very comfortable
with people,
602
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:06,000
more traditionally,
uh, extroverted.
603
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:09,000
And I was never like that...
604
00:43:10,292 --> 00:43:11,792
from the time I was a kid.
605
00:43:12,751 --> 00:43:14,209
Yeah, I was interested
in chemistry,
606
00:43:14,292 --> 00:43:15,667
physics, and mathematics.
607
00:43:18,918 --> 00:43:22,375
And I've never been
all that socially comfortable.
608
00:43:22,459 --> 00:43:25,834
I was kind of closed
and egg-headed.
609
00:43:25,918 --> 00:43:28,751
I always felt like there was
something wrong with me.
610
00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:35,918
People who don't share DNA
with their parents,
611
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,542
and don't know they don't share
DNA with their parents...
612
00:43:39,626 --> 00:43:43,542
may feel that they're not just
different, but somehow wrong.
613
00:43:47,918 --> 00:43:50,500
(PANTS)
614
00:43:54,334 --> 00:43:56,792
You know, I-- I believe
in the biological
615
00:43:56,876 --> 00:44:00,209
and psychological manifestations
of genetics.
616
00:44:00,292 --> 00:44:03,209
I'd like to see
my half siblings'
personality traits
617
00:44:03,292 --> 00:44:05,834
and... (EXHALES)
...discuss life choices
618
00:44:05,918 --> 00:44:09,209
and see where we had similar
and divergent perspectives,
619
00:44:09,292 --> 00:44:10,334
and why.
620
00:44:10,417 --> 00:44:11,500
(PANTS)
621
00:44:11,584 --> 00:44:14,792
(PLANE ENGINE ROARING)
622
00:44:32,125 --> 00:44:33,667
I'm anxious.
623
00:44:33,751 --> 00:44:35,709
I've gone over it and over it
in my mind,
624
00:44:35,792 --> 00:44:38,334
probably for the better part
of a year.
625
00:44:41,209 --> 00:44:43,000
My mom is 93 years old.
626
00:44:44,667 --> 00:44:48,584
And I still haven't nailed down
exactly how I'm going to...
627
00:44:48,667 --> 00:44:50,417
broach the subject with her.
628
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:52,792
(BLINKER TICKING)
629
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:01,042
(ENGINE STOPS)
630
00:45:24,417 --> 00:45:27,250
(BIRDS SINGING)
631
00:45:32,042 --> 00:45:34,584
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
632
00:45:38,334 --> 00:45:40,334
♪ (SERENE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
633
00:45:40,417 --> 00:45:43,459
(BIRDS SINGING)
634
00:45:48,918 --> 00:45:50,751
(WATER RUNNING)
635
00:45:57,792 --> 00:46:01,167
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
636
00:46:08,918 --> 00:46:10,626
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
637
00:46:13,584 --> 00:46:16,459
You know,
I couldn't sleep last night.
638
00:46:16,542 --> 00:46:19,125
I played Scrabble
at three o'clock in the morning
639
00:46:19,209 --> 00:46:21,000
'cause I couldn't...
640
00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:24,417
wrap my head around
all this information.
641
00:46:25,542 --> 00:46:26,959
I-- I was sitting--
642
00:46:27,042 --> 00:46:29,000
Then the first thing
I woke up this morning,
643
00:46:29,083 --> 00:46:33,834
I was deciding certain things,
what this and what that.
644
00:46:33,918 --> 00:46:36,667
First thing you think of,
I didn't have sex with him.
645
00:46:36,751 --> 00:46:39,042
-Don't wish that on me.
-MIKE: This is--
This is the biggest story
646
00:46:39,125 --> 00:46:40,709
of my life, Mom,
this thing with Quincy,
647
00:46:40,792 --> 00:46:43,167
and I so wanted
to share it with you.
648
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:45,125
And I-- It was like...
649
00:46:45,209 --> 00:46:47,250
uh, having
a whole different life,
650
00:46:47,334 --> 00:46:49,709
and not being able to share it
was eating me up.
651
00:46:49,792 --> 00:46:50,876
DOROTHY OTIS: Yeah.
652
00:46:50,959 --> 00:46:53,167
There's a lot of stuff
in my life I don't remember,
653
00:46:53,250 --> 00:46:56,542
but that was strong.
And I--
654
00:46:56,626 --> 00:47:00,250
I went in there, uh,
because I didn't feel good,
655
00:47:00,334 --> 00:47:04,667
and I thought he was treating me
for infection or something,
656
00:47:04,751 --> 00:47:05,876
I don't know.
657
00:47:07,584 --> 00:47:10,334
He put me on this table
and examined me, and...
658
00:47:10,417 --> 00:47:16,000
He says, "You stay here and, uh,
and don't move. Don't move."
659
00:47:18,042 --> 00:47:20,209
So... (CHUCKLING)
I did what he said.
660
00:47:20,292 --> 00:47:23,667
Well, I was wondering if,
you know, that I was out,
661
00:47:23,751 --> 00:47:26,083
and was he, you know...
662
00:47:26,167 --> 00:47:28,042
MIKE: Yeah,
I don't know that he did...
663
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,417
he had any history of...
664
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:33,042
forcing himself.
665
00:47:33,125 --> 00:47:37,375
He certainly did
some unscrupulous things.
666
00:47:37,459 --> 00:47:39,209
DOROTHY: Was he trying to see
how many people
667
00:47:39,292 --> 00:47:41,709
he could have
on this earth before he left?
668
00:47:41,792 --> 00:47:43,042
I don't know.
669
00:47:44,542 --> 00:47:46,000
I really don't know.
670
00:47:47,959 --> 00:47:49,918
♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
671
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,918
DOROTHY: I wasn't even looking
to have a baby.
672
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,042
I wasn't wanting a baby
at that time.
673
00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:01,626
You know, my life would've--
674
00:48:01,709 --> 00:48:04,042
may have been
altogether different.
675
00:48:05,042 --> 00:48:06,751
I'd have gone back to school,
676
00:48:06,834 --> 00:48:08,959
but I probably
would've gone farther.
677
00:48:09,709 --> 00:48:12,334
You know, because I was young.
678
00:48:12,417 --> 00:48:14,542
I was only 20 years old
when I got married.
679
00:48:14,626 --> 00:48:18,500
I had plenty of time to...
you know, to...
680
00:48:19,792 --> 00:48:20,751
redo.
681
00:48:22,209 --> 00:48:24,542
I had already saved...
682
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,542
money to go to school.
683
00:48:30,125 --> 00:48:33,667
I just wanted to get out
of Pioche, Nevada.
684
00:48:39,751 --> 00:48:43,167
Doctors in those days,
you took them as--
685
00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:48,167
as, uh, almost next to a priest,
or like a priest, you--
686
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:53,417
you, uh... uh, whatever
they said, you would...
687
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:55,709
think they're a good doctor,
and, uh,
688
00:48:55,792 --> 00:48:57,500
they know
what they're talking about.
689
00:48:57,584 --> 00:48:59,834
You just took them
at their word.
690
00:48:59,918 --> 00:49:01,959
HANNAH: What do you think
about the doctor now?
691
00:49:02,042 --> 00:49:03,459
-Doctor Fortier?
-I think that
692
00:49:03,542 --> 00:49:06,125
that's a terrible thing
to do to people,
693
00:49:06,876 --> 00:49:08,918
but I wouldn't have had Mike.
694
00:49:09,959 --> 00:49:11,125
Life takes...
695
00:49:12,542 --> 00:49:14,584
You know? I think...
696
00:49:14,667 --> 00:49:16,250
God decides what--
697
00:49:16,334 --> 00:49:18,918
what's gonna go on
with you, you know?
698
00:49:27,459 --> 00:49:29,417
I keep looking at that picture,
699
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:34,209
and it looks exactly like
Mike did at that same age.
700
00:49:36,959 --> 00:49:38,709
You know, I'm relieved.
701
00:49:38,792 --> 00:49:42,542
Because I didn't think much
of his...
702
00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:44,334
what we thought was his father.
703
00:49:44,417 --> 00:49:47,584
-My not-father.
-"My not-father," yeah.
704
00:49:50,417 --> 00:49:52,667
♪ (QUIET MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
705
00:49:55,667 --> 00:49:58,209
AUTOMATED VOICE:
You have one unheard message.
706
00:49:59,167 --> 00:50:00,209
MALE VOICE: Hi, Ms. Babst.
707
00:50:00,292 --> 00:50:02,167
I'm calling from
the Clark County courthouse.
708
00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:04,834
Uh, some materials you requested
just came in.
709
00:50:04,918 --> 00:50:08,334
You can pick them up this week
during our business hours.
710
00:50:08,417 --> 00:50:09,918
Have a good day.
711
00:50:12,542 --> 00:50:14,417
♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪
712
00:50:25,334 --> 00:50:28,626
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
713
00:50:33,292 --> 00:50:36,542
WENDI: It's a notarized
affidavit of Connie Fortier.
714
00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:45,250
She allegedly recanted.
715
00:50:45,334 --> 00:50:48,250
(SIGHS)
That's pretty suspicious.
716
00:50:48,334 --> 00:50:51,542
Uh, it says, "...being first
duly sworn upon oath, said,
717
00:50:51,626 --> 00:50:54,375
'My father passed away
around 1950.
718
00:50:55,751 --> 00:50:58,250
My mother married
Quincy Fortier, MD.
719
00:50:58,334 --> 00:51:00,167
Dr. Fortier later adopted me.
720
00:51:02,542 --> 00:51:04,292
My stepfather
sexually molested me
721
00:51:04,375 --> 00:51:05,959
on numerous occasions
as a child,
722
00:51:06,042 --> 00:51:08,042
beginning at age four to five
723
00:51:08,125 --> 00:51:10,626
and continuing
until around age 13.
724
00:51:13,083 --> 00:51:14,959
Dr. Fortier also
sexually molested me
725
00:51:15,042 --> 00:51:17,918
during his many medical exams
of me as a child.
726
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,792
He would examine
my vaginal area
727
00:51:19,876 --> 00:51:21,751
even if I only had
a stomachache.
728
00:51:21,834 --> 00:51:23,709
When growing up, our family
never discussed
729
00:51:23,792 --> 00:51:26,375
my father's sexual molestations
of his children.
730
00:51:26,459 --> 00:51:29,125
I avoided thinking about
these sexual attacks.
731
00:51:29,209 --> 00:51:31,417
As a teenager, when I finally
realized these attacks
732
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:34,250
by my father were wrong,
I felt even more guilt and fear
733
00:51:34,334 --> 00:51:37,209
telling anyone, as I thought
they would not believe me.
734
00:51:38,334 --> 00:51:40,459
I asked him why he had
sexually molested me.
735
00:51:40,542 --> 00:51:44,000
He then said, "I never raped you
or were physically violent.
736
00:51:44,083 --> 00:51:46,459
I was always gentle,
and you were very relaxed
737
00:51:46,542 --> 00:51:47,834
and never got hurt."
738
00:51:55,209 --> 00:51:58,125
I became pregnant at age 17.
This was a shock,
739
00:51:58,209 --> 00:52:00,375
as I was not having
sexual relations.
740
00:52:02,375 --> 00:52:04,083
My stepfather
would not allow an abortion
741
00:52:04,167 --> 00:52:05,334
and sent me to Minnesota
742
00:52:05,417 --> 00:52:07,292
to live in a home
for unwed mothers.
743
00:52:08,709 --> 00:52:11,542
At that home, I arranged
for my son to be adopted.
744
00:52:11,626 --> 00:52:14,417
I never attempted to have
any contact with such son,
745
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:16,334
as I was ashamed
of this involuntary
746
00:52:16,417 --> 00:52:18,459
and surprise conception.
747
00:52:18,542 --> 00:52:20,292
Around 1992, I was contacted
748
00:52:20,375 --> 00:52:23,083
by a Minnesota governmental
agency to arrange contact
749
00:52:23,167 --> 00:52:26,000
with my then about
27-year-old son.'"
750
00:52:26,083 --> 00:52:28,542
Maybe "John."
I can't see. It's too blurry.
751
00:52:36,584 --> 00:52:39,876
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
752
00:53:07,125 --> 00:53:09,167
♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
753
00:53:19,292 --> 00:53:20,500
WENDI: Hello?
754
00:53:26,709 --> 00:53:27,709
Hello?
755
00:53:27,792 --> 00:53:29,459
-JONATHAN: Hi.
-Hi.
756
00:53:34,876 --> 00:53:36,167
-I'm Wendi.
-Hi. Jonathan.
757
00:53:36,250 --> 00:53:38,834
-WENDI: Nice to meet you.
-JONATHAN: Good to meet you.
758
00:53:38,918 --> 00:53:40,876
Let's see if we can
get the heat going.
759
00:53:46,542 --> 00:53:49,334
(JONATHAN WHISTLING)
760
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,500
(FOOTSTEPS APPROACHING)
761
00:54:02,584 --> 00:54:03,876
(JONATHAN MUTTERING)
762
00:54:09,834 --> 00:54:11,417
I wonder
what you were doing that year?
763
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:13,500
-'Cause that was '78, I think.
-Oh, my goodness.
764
00:54:13,584 --> 00:54:16,375
-Probably finishing
middle school.
-What town were you living in?
765
00:54:22,292 --> 00:54:25,667
-I have to take
a load off for a second.
-(WENDI SNIFFLES, CHUCKLES)
766
00:54:25,751 --> 00:54:27,125
(JONATHAN SIGHS)
767
00:54:29,751 --> 00:54:31,042
I always knew I was adopted.
768
00:54:31,125 --> 00:54:33,334
But you always
answer this question
when you're adopted:
769
00:54:33,417 --> 00:54:35,334
"Well, do you know
who your real parents are?"
770
00:54:35,417 --> 00:54:37,626
-"Yeah. These are
my real parents."
-WENDI: Yeah, the people who--
771
00:54:37,709 --> 00:54:39,292
And then,
you say that long enough,
772
00:54:39,375 --> 00:54:41,584
and it's its own truth.
It's true.
773
00:54:41,667 --> 00:54:45,500
But it's not all of the truth.
774
00:54:45,584 --> 00:54:48,167
-WENDI: Right.
-And so, you start to feel
at a certain age
775
00:54:48,250 --> 00:54:50,542
that somehow
it starts to feel like a lie.
776
00:54:50,626 --> 00:54:52,792
WENDI: Did your parents know
any circumstances about you?
777
00:54:52,876 --> 00:54:56,334
They knew, um, that my mother
was pretty young,
778
00:54:56,417 --> 00:54:59,209
but they didn't know anything
about who the father was.
779
00:54:59,292 --> 00:55:02,292
Yeah, my-- so my mom was
really thinking...
780
00:55:02,375 --> 00:55:04,667
"Go find out,
maybe you can find out."
781
00:55:06,375 --> 00:55:09,375
And so, I wrote
Lutheran Social Services...
782
00:55:10,459 --> 00:55:12,542
with the intent of finding her.
783
00:55:12,626 --> 00:55:15,000
Then Connie wrote a letter
to me.
784
00:55:15,083 --> 00:55:16,209
WENDI: What did she say?
785
00:55:16,292 --> 00:55:19,584
I mean, how did she say
she conceived you with him?
786
00:55:19,667 --> 00:55:22,000
She just said
when she was at the--
787
00:55:22,083 --> 00:55:25,000
getting the checkup from Quincy.
788
00:55:25,083 --> 00:55:27,000
-And she ended up pregnant.
-JONATHAN:
And ended up pregnant.
789
00:55:27,083 --> 00:55:30,083
-And wasn't sexually active.
-JONATHAN: And said
she wasn't sexually active,
790
00:55:30,167 --> 00:55:31,834
so that she--
it couldn't have been--
791
00:55:31,918 --> 00:55:33,459
Nothing else worked in her mind.
792
00:55:34,834 --> 00:55:36,500
So...
793
00:55:36,584 --> 00:55:38,667
Do you-- do you believe now
that that's truly
794
00:55:38,751 --> 00:55:40,709
-how you were conceived?
-JONATHAN: Yeah.
795
00:55:43,042 --> 00:55:45,792
And when Connie's mother
found out...
796
00:55:47,042 --> 00:55:48,876
that was the end
of their marriage.
797
00:55:50,375 --> 00:55:51,918
The divorce was--
798
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,083
-They got divorced right after.
-WENDI: Mm-hmm.
799
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:58,083
So, I suppose you could say
800
00:55:58,167 --> 00:56:00,209
my grandmother divorced
my grandfather,
801
00:56:00,876 --> 00:56:02,834
who is also my father.
802
00:56:06,125 --> 00:56:07,709
WENDI: Did you ever meet Quincy?
803
00:56:07,792 --> 00:56:08,834
JONATHAN: I did.
804
00:56:09,751 --> 00:56:11,375
One of those trips out there.
805
00:56:11,459 --> 00:56:12,542
Went into-- He--
806
00:56:12,626 --> 00:56:14,542
I went in the house.
I could hear him whistling.
807
00:56:14,626 --> 00:56:17,042
And then I went through
the side door 'cause, it--
808
00:56:17,125 --> 00:56:18,709
You know, "Come on in,"
da-da-ba-da.
809
00:56:18,792 --> 00:56:20,459
And he jumped up over the dryer.
810
00:56:20,542 --> 00:56:23,626
He was working on the dryer duct
or something behind the dryer
811
00:56:23,709 --> 00:56:26,792
in, like, Mr. Furley nylon bib,
812
00:56:26,876 --> 00:56:29,125
um, kind of dark green...
813
00:56:30,042 --> 00:56:32,792
nylon one-piece.
814
00:56:32,876 --> 00:56:35,834
But he had the same arms
I have, like, you know,
815
00:56:35,918 --> 00:56:37,959
where there's, like,
a big forearm muscle.
816
00:56:38,042 --> 00:56:40,000
Me and Quincy had,
like, Popeye arm.
817
00:56:41,834 --> 00:56:44,417
You know, it took me off guard.
818
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:47,459
I-- I--
On some level, I liked him.
819
00:56:48,459 --> 00:56:50,584
And on another level,
I just like,
820
00:56:50,667 --> 00:56:53,083
I still kept
the aperture really closed.
821
00:56:53,167 --> 00:56:55,500
But on this,
just this level of, like...
822
00:56:57,834 --> 00:56:59,751
uh, just...
823
00:56:59,834 --> 00:57:01,375
"There's his hands," you know,
824
00:57:01,459 --> 00:57:03,250
nothing about
what his hands have done.
825
00:57:03,334 --> 00:57:06,125
"There's his--" You know, like,
just the raw materials.
826
00:57:06,209 --> 00:57:07,709
It's like I liked
the raw materials.
827
00:57:07,792 --> 00:57:09,000
WENDI:
And what'd you talk about?
828
00:57:10,083 --> 00:57:12,417
JONATHAN: Um...
with-- uh--
829
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:14,250
Conversations with Quincy,
830
00:57:14,334 --> 00:57:16,542
he doesn't talk about anything
that means anything.
831
00:57:17,751 --> 00:57:19,375
So it's hard to remember.
832
00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:21,250
I can remember
a feeling of mendacity,
833
00:57:21,334 --> 00:57:23,000
'cause you're
trying to listen to somebody
834
00:57:23,083 --> 00:57:24,375
who's like a worm...
835
00:57:25,459 --> 00:57:27,542
you know, wiggling away.
And so...
836
00:57:27,626 --> 00:57:29,918
He had a kind of
higher pitched voice, right?
837
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,417
And, uh-- At least,
when he was squirming.
838
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:38,083
And he was like, "Well, Connie
had a kinda, um, no--"
839
00:57:38,167 --> 00:57:39,626
"When Connie came in
for a physical,
840
00:57:39,709 --> 00:57:43,834
I had just taken a semen sample
and-- on a cotton swab, but--
841
00:57:43,918 --> 00:57:46,709
and then I did a swab of her,
and that's--"
842
00:57:46,792 --> 00:57:48,083
And then he switched--
843
00:57:48,167 --> 00:57:49,834
"Somehow I got
the swabs switched.
844
00:57:49,918 --> 00:57:52,334
And then when she left--"
He plays the drama.
845
00:57:52,417 --> 00:57:55,292
"Then when she left the,
uh, checkup..."
846
00:57:55,375 --> 00:57:56,626
(DRAMATICALLY) He looked!
847
00:57:56,709 --> 00:57:59,751
Then he realized
the cotton swab was missing!
848
00:57:59,834 --> 00:58:01,709
You know, that he must've used--
849
00:58:01,792 --> 00:58:03,876
"I must have used
the wrong swab!"
850
00:58:03,959 --> 00:58:06,667
It's like he was still selling
himself this story,
851
00:58:06,751 --> 00:58:11,000
or trying to sell me the story
that he had made a mista--
852
00:58:11,083 --> 00:58:13,000
It was an accident!
853
00:58:13,083 --> 00:58:15,918
You know,
that that was an accident.
854
00:58:17,083 --> 00:58:18,667
He had the audacity
to tell her, like,
855
00:58:18,751 --> 00:58:20,083
"It could be a virgin birth."
856
00:58:20,834 --> 00:58:22,125
This guy of science, like...
857
00:58:23,876 --> 00:58:25,709
So what-- when you--
when that-- I mean, how--
858
00:58:25,792 --> 00:58:27,375
how did that--
how'd that make you feel?
859
00:58:27,459 --> 00:58:29,584
I hate to ask that question,
but I mean, what--
860
00:58:29,667 --> 00:58:31,167
what went through your mind?
861
00:58:33,459 --> 00:58:35,584
JONATHAN: I think
that it was violence.
862
00:58:35,667 --> 00:58:38,209
I don't feel like the violence
is carried by me,
863
00:58:38,292 --> 00:58:42,417
but I feel like the--
the consciousness...
864
00:58:43,584 --> 00:58:45,751
of the violence was born
into me.
865
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:57,584
(CHIMING)
866
00:59:19,417 --> 00:59:24,459
Um, I'll tell you, I never did
really confront Quincy.
867
00:59:24,542 --> 00:59:27,417
I don't think he would've been
impossible for you to confront.
868
00:59:29,083 --> 00:59:32,500
Also, I really felt like it was
Connie's thing to confront him.
869
00:59:32,584 --> 00:59:35,751
Like, I'm the sperm
that's confronting him.
870
00:59:35,834 --> 00:59:37,417
It's just, the drama
didn't seem--
871
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:40,209
I could never step into it,
like the motivation
872
00:59:40,292 --> 00:59:42,083
for the character
just didn't fit.
873
00:59:43,292 --> 00:59:46,000
But you realize,
"Jesus Christ, who are you?"
874
00:59:58,459 --> 01:00:01,167
I certainly have some
impressions that I wanna share.
875
01:00:03,751 --> 01:00:06,250
"I asked him how he could
take back the sexual abuse
876
01:00:06,334 --> 01:00:07,834
that he did to his children.
877
01:00:07,918 --> 01:00:09,626
I told him what he did was wrong
878
01:00:09,709 --> 01:00:12,334
and had tremendous
lifetime negative effects.
879
01:00:12,417 --> 01:00:14,417
I asked him
why he thought it was okay
880
01:00:14,500 --> 01:00:17,667
to sexually abuse
his daughters.
881
01:00:17,751 --> 01:00:22,042
He said that there were studies
from the Menninger's Clinic
882
01:00:22,125 --> 01:00:24,751
that sexual relations
with children and their father
883
01:00:24,834 --> 01:00:26,209
were not harmful.
884
01:00:28,042 --> 01:00:30,918
On my way home, I deliberated
on the conversation
885
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,125
and feel that he was trying
to manipulate once more,
886
01:00:34,209 --> 01:00:36,918
so that he doesn't get
in trouble for the sexual abuse
887
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,125
that he committed
when we were children.
888
01:00:41,626 --> 01:00:45,334
I am so sorry for him.
He is pathetic.
889
01:00:45,417 --> 01:00:47,876
He has always used money
and his power and control
890
01:00:47,959 --> 01:00:50,709
to make us do things
that no one wanted to do.
891
01:00:52,375 --> 01:00:54,000
He needs to be held accountable
892
01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:57,125
both on this earth
and after death."
893
01:00:58,125 --> 01:01:01,334
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
894
01:01:03,751 --> 01:01:05,959
QUINCY JR.:
So, my father was crazy.
895
01:01:07,334 --> 01:01:08,876
Also a pervert.
896
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,792
When my mother found out,
she started,
897
01:01:14,876 --> 01:01:16,334
she got right into it.
898
01:01:18,834 --> 01:01:21,083
But nobody told her.
For the longest time.
899
01:01:23,834 --> 01:01:25,918
He molested
every one of my sisters,
900
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,792
me and my little brother,
and anybody else
901
01:01:28,876 --> 01:01:31,000
who happened to show up.
He didn't care.
902
01:01:31,083 --> 01:01:33,042
He wanted to play.
903
01:01:33,125 --> 01:01:35,209
I think the happiest
he ever made me was
904
01:01:35,292 --> 01:01:37,125
when he was laying
in his coffin, dead.
905
01:01:37,209 --> 01:01:38,584
Then I felt safe.
906
01:01:40,125 --> 01:01:41,500
That's a long way to go.
907
01:01:42,876 --> 01:01:46,459
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
908
01:01:58,167 --> 01:02:00,209
♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
909
01:02:01,375 --> 01:02:03,584
HANNAH: Sonia, was there
any abuse in your house
910
01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:05,042
when you were growing up?
911
01:02:06,667 --> 01:02:08,250
It wasn't part of my life.
912
01:02:12,209 --> 01:02:14,667
HANNAH: Do you think any part
of the allegations were true?
913
01:02:15,167 --> 01:02:16,292
I don't know.
914
01:02:17,167 --> 01:02:19,709
-HANNAH: Have you asked?
-No.
915
01:02:19,792 --> 01:02:21,334
HANNAH:
You never asked your siblings?
916
01:02:21,417 --> 01:02:23,042
No.
917
01:02:23,125 --> 01:02:24,500
HANNAH:
Did you ever ask your dad?
918
01:02:24,584 --> 01:02:25,626
No.
919
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:28,584
HANNAH: Why not?
920
01:02:29,167 --> 01:02:30,209
I don't wanna know.
921
01:02:32,792 --> 01:02:34,375
HANNAH: Do you think
there was a part of you
922
01:02:34,459 --> 01:02:35,792
that was afraid it was true?
923
01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:44,125
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
924
01:02:54,083 --> 01:02:55,375
WENDI:
I wanna change my nose.
925
01:02:55,459 --> 01:02:57,792
I just, I don't--
I mean, I don't like it,
926
01:02:57,876 --> 01:02:59,292
and now I feel like it,
you know,
927
01:02:59,375 --> 01:03:01,209
I know where it comes from,
and it just-- it's not--
928
01:03:01,292 --> 01:03:03,459
I don't know.
Just makes me not wanna...
929
01:03:04,542 --> 01:03:06,250
have my nose look this way.
930
01:03:09,459 --> 01:03:11,834
I've spent
more than half my life
931
01:03:11,918 --> 01:03:15,792
trying to, you know,
hopefully protect children.
932
01:03:15,876 --> 01:03:19,000
And I put my family aside,
even, a lot of times
933
01:03:19,083 --> 01:03:21,375
to do what I thought
was pursuing justice.
934
01:03:21,459 --> 01:03:24,709
And, so, to find out
all those years I'm doing that,
935
01:03:24,792 --> 01:03:28,042
there's this man
who's molesting his children...
936
01:03:28,125 --> 01:03:31,000
and he's my, you know,
my biological father.
937
01:03:31,083 --> 01:03:33,459
And that's, um...
938
01:03:33,542 --> 01:03:35,667
You know, you can-- you can
feel like you're fighting
939
01:03:35,751 --> 01:03:37,209
and stopping a lot of monsters,
940
01:03:37,292 --> 01:03:40,417
and then there's this monster
that's your-- your--
941
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:41,959
He's living in me.
942
01:03:42,042 --> 01:03:45,417
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
943
01:04:10,292 --> 01:04:13,209
WENDI: (WHISPERING)
944
01:04:24,584 --> 01:04:27,417
♪ (CELLO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
945
01:04:36,209 --> 01:04:39,000
DR. SILVER:
He probably had the idea
946
01:04:39,083 --> 01:04:41,209
that he was doing
a great service.
947
01:04:43,709 --> 01:04:45,918
Yeah, but you can't be
a miracle worker
948
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,167
and not let the individuals know
what's going on.
949
01:04:49,959 --> 01:04:51,542
Means to end, my dear.
950
01:04:54,042 --> 01:04:56,125
They don't justify the end.
951
01:04:56,209 --> 01:04:58,584
Bad means don't justify the end.
952
01:05:08,375 --> 01:05:11,083
HANNAH: What if one of the kids
from the times you've donated
953
01:05:11,167 --> 01:05:13,792
in medical school
came out of the woodwork?
954
01:05:13,876 --> 01:05:16,500
(LAUGHS)
Well-- That can't happen.
955
01:05:17,209 --> 01:05:18,167
It can't happen.
956
01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:20,167
It's not supposed to
ever happen, you know?
957
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:22,000
HANNAH: But what about with DNA?
958
01:05:22,083 --> 01:05:25,250
Oh, yeah, what-- Well, again,
it's not supposed to happen
959
01:05:25,334 --> 01:05:28,834
because, um, the...
960
01:05:28,918 --> 01:05:30,667
It would be very difficult
to identify.
961
01:05:30,751 --> 01:05:33,667
So, I guess you could with DNA.
Yeah, it's possible.
962
01:05:33,751 --> 01:05:35,667
HANNAH: And if they found you?
963
01:05:35,751 --> 01:05:38,459
Oh, I'd love it. You know,
what's wrong with that?
964
01:05:38,542 --> 01:05:42,292
Listen, another little me.
How could you not love that?
965
01:05:46,209 --> 01:05:48,125
♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪
966
01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:58,250
DR. SHELD: One day,
one of my sons, uh, called me up
967
01:05:58,334 --> 01:06:00,459
and told me
that I have a daughter.
968
01:06:00,542 --> 01:06:01,584
And I said, "What do you mean?"
969
01:06:01,667 --> 01:06:03,125
He said,
"Well, we did the genetics,
970
01:06:03,209 --> 01:06:06,459
and we did the genetic--
the DNA test,
971
01:06:06,542 --> 01:06:09,834
and-- and you're-- you're
the father of this person."
972
01:06:10,792 --> 01:06:12,667
About two weeks later,
973
01:06:12,751 --> 01:06:14,584
he calls me up again.
974
01:06:14,667 --> 01:06:16,542
He said, "Dad?"
"Yeah?"
975
01:06:17,626 --> 01:06:18,959
"Uh, we got another one."
976
01:06:19,042 --> 01:06:20,876
And then it was about
a month later, I think,
977
01:06:20,959 --> 01:06:24,375
I got-- He calls again,
and again, it's another...
978
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:27,918
another daughter.
979
01:06:29,959 --> 01:06:32,375
And now I know of 13.
980
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,918
HANNAH: When you think about
all the times you donated
981
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,834
in medical school, how many kids
do you think you have?
982
01:06:42,918 --> 01:06:44,000
I don't know.
983
01:06:47,042 --> 01:06:49,751
(LAUGHS)
984
01:06:52,334 --> 01:06:56,083
What can I tell you?
I don't know. It's-- (LAUGHS)
985
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,918
It's a-- it's a not-- not a--
986
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,250
not a number
that we can put our fingers on.
987
01:07:02,334 --> 01:07:04,792
Let's just put it that way.
(LAUGHS)
988
01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:10,375
♪ (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
989
01:07:14,292 --> 01:07:16,751
(INAUDIBLE)
990
01:07:29,209 --> 01:07:31,542
You know, I feel like I actually
share a lot in common with you.
991
01:07:31,626 --> 01:07:34,167
-Yeah.
-I just so appreciate hearing
about your background
992
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:36,083
and the desire to work
with your hands,
993
01:07:36,167 --> 01:07:37,834
but in
technically oriented ways...
994
01:07:37,918 --> 01:07:39,959
-Yeah, likewise. Likewise.
-Um, I just--
995
01:07:40,042 --> 01:07:42,375
-It feels really familiar.
-You went through the schooling
996
01:07:42,459 --> 01:07:44,709
that I didn't do.
Gee, could I...
997
01:07:44,792 --> 01:07:46,959
-No, no, no.
-(LAUGHS)
998
01:07:47,042 --> 01:07:49,250
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
999
01:07:54,167 --> 01:07:55,834
MIKE: Which finger is longer?
1000
01:07:55,918 --> 01:07:58,584
Is your index finger longer
than your ring finger?
1001
01:07:58,667 --> 01:08:00,250
BRENT LEAVITT:
My ring finger's longer.
1002
01:08:00,334 --> 01:08:02,751
-MICHAEL CLEAVER:
Yeah, me too. Yeah.
-MIKE: The ring finger's longer?
1003
01:08:02,834 --> 01:08:05,417
So, Brad, has this revelation
changed your research
1004
01:08:05,500 --> 01:08:07,709
-or your mindset at all
about your research?
-(MIKE CHUCKLES)
1005
01:08:07,792 --> 01:08:11,000
BRAD: It's like-- like a puzzle
that we all have pieces to.
1006
01:08:11,083 --> 01:08:12,125
BRENT: Sure.
1007
01:08:18,751 --> 01:08:20,500
So, I found out
a year and a half ago.
1008
01:08:20,584 --> 01:08:21,918
-MICHAEL: Man.
-My parents said it, they said,
1009
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,834
"We need to tell you something."
They sat us down like,
1010
01:08:23,918 --> 01:08:25,334
"Okay, well, we're not--
I'm not your dad
1011
01:08:25,417 --> 01:08:27,167
because, you know,
I'm infertile, blah blah blah.
1012
01:08:27,250 --> 01:08:28,876
We used a donor.
We don't know who it is."
1013
01:08:28,959 --> 01:08:31,042
I was like, "Great." And I guess
the initial thing for me,
1014
01:08:31,125 --> 01:08:32,959
it was just the whole, like...
1015
01:08:33,042 --> 01:08:34,626
You find out later in life,
it's like,
1016
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:36,626
"I don't even know
who I am," you know?
1017
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:38,375
MIKE:
"Everything I know is wrong."
1018
01:08:38,459 --> 01:08:39,292
Exactly.
1019
01:08:39,375 --> 01:08:42,042
I got really sick for...
1020
01:08:42,834 --> 01:08:43,959
like a month and a half.
1021
01:08:44,042 --> 01:08:45,918
-I was, like, sick--
-BRAD: As a result, like?
1022
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,292
Yeah, I was just
totally distraught.
1023
01:08:49,375 --> 01:08:52,751
"Am I a child
of something unspeakable?
1024
01:08:52,834 --> 01:08:56,918
Am I a child of someone
who is helping her husband?"
1025
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,959
You know, is that what
he was thinking? I don't know.
1026
01:09:04,542 --> 01:09:06,375
♪ (MUSIC ENDS) ♪
1027
01:09:06,459 --> 01:09:09,209
♪ (MELANCHOLIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1028
01:09:35,834 --> 01:09:37,751
MIKE: I used to dream that...
1029
01:09:37,834 --> 01:09:40,751
there was a door
in the back of a closet,
1030
01:09:40,834 --> 01:09:42,250
and I would work my way through,
1031
01:09:42,334 --> 01:09:46,209
and there would be this hall
out of Beauty and the Beast,
1032
01:09:46,292 --> 01:09:48,000
this fantastic hall.
1033
01:09:50,167 --> 01:09:53,417
It was finding something
where there was nothing...
1034
01:09:55,292 --> 01:09:57,751
and finding something
dramatically different.
1035
01:10:00,167 --> 01:10:02,584
When I found out
about my father...
1036
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:06,500
this was that
something different.
1037
01:10:30,042 --> 01:10:33,125
JONATHAN: I think it would be
a mistake to-- to presume
1038
01:10:33,209 --> 01:10:36,209
that by having the facts
you have the truth.
1039
01:10:38,959 --> 01:10:41,250
It's never the whole truth.
1040
01:10:43,626 --> 01:10:45,751
I did sense that there was
a little bit of a pleasure
1041
01:10:45,834 --> 01:10:47,083
of pulling it off.
1042
01:10:48,083 --> 01:10:49,792
But... there we are.
1043
01:10:53,167 --> 01:10:56,167
These kind of, like, you know,
forbidden fruits
1044
01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:57,626
that shouldn't even exist.
1045
01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:02,042
And somehow he's the reason
that we exist.
1046
01:11:08,292 --> 01:11:11,250
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1047
01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:35,584
(PLANE ENGINE ROARING)
1048
01:11:37,959 --> 01:11:40,709
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
1049
01:11:49,709 --> 01:11:52,042
WENDI:
He's propagated himself forever
1050
01:11:52,125 --> 01:11:53,834
through me and my family.
1051
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,709
It's like a chain reaction
that I can't really stop.
1052
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,083
Did you think you knew better
than my mom and dad?
1053
01:12:26,167 --> 01:12:27,876
Um, why did you decide...
1054
01:12:29,167 --> 01:12:32,250
you know, that them having
a child was worth, uh...
1055
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,250
deceiving them and...
1056
01:12:36,083 --> 01:12:39,292
you know, did you think
you were better than them or...
1057
01:12:39,375 --> 01:12:41,417
you know, wh-- why-- why?
1058
01:12:41,500 --> 01:12:43,667
And I don't think
I have that answer.
1059
01:12:52,584 --> 01:12:55,876
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1060
01:14:02,667 --> 01:14:05,083
♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
1061
01:14:05,167 --> 01:14:08,792
♪ ("PATIENT ZERO"
BY AIMEE MANN PLAYING) ♪
1062
01:14:16,584 --> 01:14:20,584
♪ They served you champagne
Like a hero ♪
1063
01:14:20,667 --> 01:14:24,250
♪ When you landed
Someone carried your bag ♪
1064
01:14:25,584 --> 01:14:29,500
♪ From here on out
You're patient zero ♪
1065
01:14:29,584 --> 01:14:33,042
♪ Smelling ether
As they hand you the rag ♪
1066
01:14:34,959 --> 01:14:38,250
♪ Life is good
You look around and think ♪
1067
01:14:38,334 --> 01:14:41,042
♪ "I'm in
The right neighborhood" ♪
1068
01:14:41,125 --> 01:14:43,542
♪ But honey, you just moved in ♪
1069
01:14:43,626 --> 01:14:45,375
♪ Life is grand ♪
1070
01:14:45,459 --> 01:14:49,083
♪ And wouldn't you like
To have it go ♪
1071
01:14:49,167 --> 01:14:51,250
♪ As planned? ♪
1072
01:14:52,417 --> 01:14:56,000
♪ Go as planned ♪
1073
01:14:59,209 --> 01:15:02,751
♪ Hip hip hooray, hocus pocus ♪
1074
01:15:02,834 --> 01:15:06,167
♪ With some magic
You can fly through the air ♪
1075
01:15:07,751 --> 01:15:11,709
♪ But when you're the guy
Pulling focus ♪
1076
01:15:11,792 --> 01:15:14,792
♪ There are people who will
Wish you weren't there ♪
1077
01:15:17,250 --> 01:15:20,459
♪ Life is good
You look around and think ♪
1078
01:15:20,542 --> 01:15:23,209
♪ "I'm in
The right neighborhood" ♪
1079
01:15:23,292 --> 01:15:26,042
♪ But honey, you just moved in ♪
1080
01:15:26,125 --> 01:15:27,626
♪ Life is grand ♪
1081
01:15:27,709 --> 01:15:30,751
♪ And wouldn't you like
To have it go ♪
1082
01:15:31,417 --> 01:15:33,375
♪ As planned? ♪
1083
01:15:34,751 --> 01:15:37,626
♪ Go as planned ♪
1084
01:15:38,542 --> 01:15:41,709
♪ Go west, young man
Go west ♪
1085
01:15:41,792 --> 01:15:43,918
♪ Take a real screen test ♪
1086
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,626
♪ Doesn't count
As a job well done ♪
1087
01:15:47,709 --> 01:15:50,626
♪ The locusts had their day ♪
1088
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:52,792
♪ The suckers pay and pay ♪
1089
01:15:52,876 --> 01:15:57,042
♪ Carmen Sternwood probably
Pulled that trigger for fun ♪
1090
01:15:57,125 --> 01:16:03,292
♪ And in the hills where hope is
Such a constant companion ♪
1091
01:16:03,375 --> 01:16:06,125
♪ Constant companion ♪
1092
01:16:06,209 --> 01:16:12,167
♪ Close enough to almost
Touch the lights of the canyon ♪
1093
01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:14,083
♪ Lights of the canyon ♪
1094
01:16:14,167 --> 01:16:16,959
♪ The lights of the canyon ♪
1095
01:16:21,042 --> 01:16:25,042
♪ But news filtered
Over the transom ♪
1096
01:16:25,125 --> 01:16:28,417
♪ That a villain ended up
With the part ♪
1097
01:16:29,876 --> 01:16:34,000
♪ You paid your respects
Like a ransom ♪
1098
01:16:34,083 --> 01:16:37,334
♪ To a moment that was doomed
From the start ♪
1099
01:16:39,542 --> 01:16:41,000
♪ Life is good ♪
1100
01:16:41,083 --> 01:16:42,709
♪ You look around and think ♪
1101
01:16:42,792 --> 01:16:45,500
♪ "I'm in
The right neighborhood" ♪
1102
01:16:45,584 --> 01:16:48,334
♪ But, honey, you don't belong ♪
1103
01:16:48,417 --> 01:16:49,834
♪ Life is grand ♪
1104
01:16:49,918 --> 01:16:55,292
♪ And wouldn't you like
To have it go as planned? ♪
1105
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,000
♪ Go as planned ♪
1106
01:17:01,792 --> 01:17:07,792
♪ And in the hills where hope is
Such a constant companion ♪
1107
01:17:07,876 --> 01:17:10,334
♪ Constant companion ♪
1108
01:17:10,417 --> 01:17:16,709
♪ Close enough to almost
Touch the lights of the canyon ♪
1109
01:17:16,792 --> 01:17:18,542
♪ Lights of the canyon ♪
1110
01:17:18,626 --> 01:17:20,959
♪ The lights of the canyon ♪
1111
01:17:21,042 --> 01:17:23,000
♪ Lights of the canyon ♪
1112
01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:25,584
♪ The lights of the canyon ♪
1113
01:17:25,667 --> 01:17:27,459
♪ Lights of the canyon ♪
1114
01:17:27,542 --> 01:17:30,876
♪ The lights of the canyon ♪
1115
01:17:32,042 --> 01:17:35,542
♪ The lights of the canyon ♪
1116
01:17:35,626 --> 01:17:38,042
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪