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GUILLERMO DEL TORO:
Making movies is beautiful.

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Prepping them, raisingthe money, selling
them is horrible.

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Horrible.

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And I think Ican make movies

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the rest of my life.

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Selling them,
you grow impatient,

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you see it for what it is
more and more with every year.

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JUSTIN McCONNELL:
It's been said
that there are three things

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you should never do
when making a film.

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Make a film about yourself,
make a film about filmmaking

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or open the film with a quote.

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Test.

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MAN: Record.

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McCONNELL: Yes.

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Okay.

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Here it goes.

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I'm Justin McConnell
and uh...

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[CHUCKLES]
Welcome to the documentary

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currently entitled, um...

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See you can tell it's
a current working title,

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because the name
doesn't jump to my mind

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the second I have to
say it, uh,

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but right now it's called
Slate and Gain.

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No, Slate and Game.
See?

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It's gonna happen.
It's gonna need a title change.

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McCONNELL: I've wanted to
make films since
I was very young,

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but not since
I was a little kid.

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At first, I wanted to be
a paleontologist

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or a criminologist,
but eventually I realized

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I just lovedJurassic Park
andThe Silence of the Lambs.

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I absorbed everything
I can get my hands on

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and aside from a few
stop-motion experiments
with toys...

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[WHIRRING]

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McCONNELL: I started seriously making my own movies at the age of 15.

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Documentaries for class
at first.

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Have you ever wondered
what it would be like

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to make a movie?

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Well, in this video,
I'm gonna tell you

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what the roles of screenwriters and directors are,

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from big to small budget,
from commercials to major films.

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Then short films
and even my first feature
when I was in high school.

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[COCKS GUN]

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Open the fucking cash register!

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McCONNELL: Consumer video tech
was just then cheap enough

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that I could save up
and buy a Handycam

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that wasn't great on quality,
but served its purpose.

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Just a question here.
How do you expect
to get away with this?

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McCONNELL: Growing up
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my generation of filmmakers
were raised in the wake

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of the independent film
movement.

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The working-class success story,

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the self-made kid who worked
outside the system

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and then broke in,

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the Sundance darling,
the director as a rock star.

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So I grew up dreaming of when I might get the big break,

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that moment I made a film
that would break into
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in a way that my career
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The dream of making it.

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A dream worth working toward,

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for that one day
when lightning strikes.

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[GUNSHOT]

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McCONNELL: But who was I
and what chance
do I really have?

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I came from a small town
in Canada, starting with
zero contacts in the business

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and just a dream.

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Now, it's over 20 years later
since the dream was born

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and the business is
not what you dream it'll be,

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the industry is not
the same as the hope,

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the reality does not
match up to the dream.

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How could it?

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Okay. Mmm-hmm.
Uh, okay.

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Film has always
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my whole identity.

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My family and friends
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but for most of my life,

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I've had this feeling that
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I wouldn't be much of a person.

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I'd be a rudderless ship
drifting in open seas
with no hope of direction.

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But I can't deny that
it's taken its toll

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in more ways than I can count.

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A few years ago when I was at my lowest point,

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I began to question
why I'm even trying.

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The doubt began to creep in.

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I had tragically lost
my best friend

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and writing partner
of a decade,

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the co-architect of my strategy for breaking in,

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and it hit a big reset button.

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I gained weight
and hit nearly 300 pounds.

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None of the projects
was trying to get made
were getting off the ground.

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I'd had a no-budget
feature horror movie
released around the world

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that while some people
really enjoyed,
enough people hated it

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that I started to really doubt my own abilities.

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I was in a slump
and the business didn't seem
to be doing any better.

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I, uh, find myself
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myself a lot, lately.

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And it sort of feels like,
um, the opportunity

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happened for other people more,

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way more than you know,
it happened for me

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And I'm wondering...

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I'm always wondering
why that is.

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I question it sometimes.

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I question, you know,
my place in a business

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that is tough enough to get
into on its own, uh,

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and even more
difficult when people

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have written you off.

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The film business that existed  when I was growing up,

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the one that I dreamed of  working on is long dead.

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It died before I had a chance  to even get to  the proverbial locked door,

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much less walk  through it.

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In its place is a Wild West  of competing ideologies,

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a greater gulf  between mainstream

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and independent cinema  than ever before,

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more product than  the population can handle,

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and more new types  of media entertainment

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to compete with film than  the business can sustain.

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The possibility of
having a career actually
creating content is there,

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but the competition is fierce.

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The market's oversaturated,
only the very best
breakthrough.

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But in that,
there's hope I think.

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There's a reason to keep trying and there's more reason
than ever before

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to try and become
a self-made creator.

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The doors to getting
your work seen
are wide open now.

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The ability to make money
off your work

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is what's much more difficult, which means,

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as I've learned the hard way
countless of times,

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you have to be smart.

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You have to keep learning.

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You have to work hard enough
and survive long enough
to get your chance

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and know that your chance,

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your lightning strike moment,
may never come

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and you have to be
okay with that.

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That's a form of
insanity, isn't it?

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I think it might be
to be a dreamer,

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to live for a dream,

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but it's a form of
insanity everyone trying

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to be a filmmaker shares

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and somehow
I take comfort in that.

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I decided to make this doc,

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because I've been working
in the film industry now
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in an actual, somewhat professional capacity,

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but I also don't want
to show a biased opinion

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of who I am,
because I'm not...

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I'm not really anybody yet.

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I moved to Toronto
in the year 2000,
just a fan with a dream.

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Slowly built a career
in post-production,

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made a bunch of short films
and music videos,

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amassed a lot of debt,
made a lot of mistakes.

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The first film I made that did any sort of real distribution,

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the documentary
Working Class Rock Star,

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I made zero money on
after being conned

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by a predatory producer's rep, having one distributor

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go bankrupt before
I was paid out
and another's releases

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get lost in the shuffle
when their sub-distributor
sold to a bigger company.

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I made a horror film
calledThe Collapsed

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on basically pocket change,
but sold to 13 territories

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and some sizable companies,
and made a tidy profit.

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And then another
documentarySkull World,

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which has a few
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but was partially
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and not very profitable.

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Around 2009,
I started trying to get
a bigger feature,

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The Eternal,
made with little luck.

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Despite having a really cool
attached cast of people
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the recession
and a lot of bad luck led to
that one going on the shelf.

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But in 2012, that project
and my client work
for Anchor Bay

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connected me
with a prolific producer,
Avi Federgreen,

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who I joined forces with
to continue the development
of my slate

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and help his distribution company IndieCan Entertainment.

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In 2013, I started working
as a film festival programmer

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at Toronto After Dark
and in various capacities
for a bunch of distributors.

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I am really not anybody,
you've probably never
even heard of me.

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I'm one of thousands
of people trying to do this,

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but I do think my experiences
are a good jumping-off point

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to examine the business further to try and understand it more,

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and figure out how to
keep a career building
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But there's no point
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so I've gradually collected
the opinions of dozens
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from across the industry who've graciously given their time,
offer collective insight into

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such a complicated business.

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To be successful
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you have to be
a fucking masochist.

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[LAUGHING]

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You have to, um,
be a little bit insane.

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Independent film has
never been something
that you go into to get rich.

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I mean I guess in a sense
in the '90s when people

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were getting rich off
the Sundance sales et cetera,

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it created this illusion that
there was this world out there

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that you could get rich
making art.

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Um, you know, I think
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a bullshit assumption.

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If you are entering this
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rich or famous,
you're in the wrong place.

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If you can get distribution,
most of that comes
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after you've made your movie.

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I get so discouraged sometimes,
I go, "I'm gonna quit,"
you know?

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At least, twice
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Last months right before
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and it's so hard,
and it's just not
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and you get a piece,
but you lose a piece,
and you're, "Oh, my God."

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[SPEAKING IN JAPANESE]

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Problem we now have is
we a tsunami of product.

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We have much more product
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JORDAN FIELDS: There are definitely more films made today than ever before,

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completely saturated.

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It just makes a job like
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because I have to weed
through so much to get...
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Nobody complained when there
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and drawings,
and comic book illustrations.

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Why should anyone complain
about too many movies?

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Uh, the problem is there
are too many great movies

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that nobody gets to see.

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I mean you can make
wonderful film and never,
it never gets seen.

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That's the problem today.

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I mean, that's happened to me
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even with,
even with the studios.

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CAROLYN MAURICETTE: I'm finding
now if you're really active
on social media,

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getting a big following,
that actually helps
your chances.

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It's all about money.

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That's why you get the
Aliens 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

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Terminator 1,
2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

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Fast and the Furious
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

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It's very telling that
the fact that people now use

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terms of "content"
and "pipeline"
to describe stories.

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We need a content
to feed our pipeline.

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That's sewage language
or oil language.

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It's flow.

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It's only content
for as long as it lasts
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and then it moves to the ocean
of forgiveness and forgetfulness
both, you know?

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It's air.

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McCONNELL: At this point,
I was working with Avi

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to try and get a horror film
calledTripped made.

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I had just optioned the film
rights to a novel calledKane
and had a dozen or so

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other projects on my slate.

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I just got an email stating
that an actor I really respect,
Michael Eklund,

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he wants to doTripped,
which is a movie

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that I wrote with Kevin
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Uh, it's kind of about us.

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I always get excited
whenever an actor

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that I like, uh, wants to do
one of my projects,
which is great.

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It's always great news, um,
but I still have to get
the bloody movie made.

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I've been down this road before while trying to get
The Eternal made.

242
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I'll tell you what was
uncomfortable in your situation

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is that you faxed me
a contract.

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McCONNELL: I faxed you an LOI...

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Well, but you know, when you get
to that point...

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-McCONNELL: Yeah.
-It gets a little confusing.

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I mean if you really
wanna know,

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before you start talking
about money

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to any actor or any...
or anybody else, you really

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should wait until
you actually have

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cash or money
in the bank or you,

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or you have
a production, uh, office.

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Where you have some money,

254
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that doesn't mean the film's
gonna get made.

255
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it doesn't mean anything,
but you know, you wanna wait

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as long as you can
so that you can move quickly.

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MICHAEL BIEHN: We never got to a point where it's like,

258
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"Okay, here's how much
money you're gonna make,"

259
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and so on and so forth.

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I know you were just
tryin' to put it together,

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but I thought it was
an extremely
well-written script.

262
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Uh, the action was just
like fantastic and if you

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ever had the, you know,
time and money

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to make that movie the way
it's scripted,

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I think it would do very well.

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McCONNELL: Eklund is
definitely interested.

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Uh, he liked the script a lot.

268
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What do you think Tripped
could get in terms

269
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of a Canada presale
with Eklund attached?

270
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Well, that was
a promising call.

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So the way it's working is that we need cast attachment

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to be able to go
to Super Channel,

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so that we can get
a presale out of them

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and a presale
out of Anchor Bay,

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and uh, go and finance
the tax breaks

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and that puts
the movie together.

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But in order for that to
happen, we need to get

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Michael Eklund to sign
a letter of intent to appear,

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which is a legally
non-binding document

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that just simply states,
"I'm interested in this."

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That's it.

282
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But they're not gonna
give us an LOI

283
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they said,
"We're really interested,

284
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"but we don't want you
to come back until it's
a fully-financed film

285
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"and there's an offer
to be made,"

286
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which to me is like...

287
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[CHUCKLES]

288
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It's like everything else.

289
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You need to have
the money first,

290
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but then in order
to get the money,

291
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you need everything else
in place,

292
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but in order to get
everything else in place,

293
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you need the money,
so in order to get the money,

294
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you need to get everything
else in place.

295
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And it's just this big
fuckin' circle of bullshit

296
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and it just... it's endless.

297
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It's absolutely fucking
endless and it seems

298
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like how does anybody
get anything made?

299
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I spent 10 fuckin' years
tryin' to figure out
how this thing works.

300
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If somebody had just been
able to just walk down,

301
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"Oh, here's how you,
you know, finance a movie.

302
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"You get this
and then you go do this."

303
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You know, duh.

304
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You know,
instead of just sitting there.

305
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Like, I think
a lot of filmmakers

306
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before they've gotten
the experience,

307
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think there's like,
it's Willy Wonka
and the Chocolate Factory

308
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where you just get
the golden ticket,

309
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and then you're making movies,
and that's not what it is.

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It's this business
that's pieced together

311
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by these very defined
components and if you get

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an understandin' of how those
components work together,

313
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and you get an
understanding of...

314
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of how to focus your energy,

315
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how to maximize
the results from it,

316
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then it's much easier
to make a movie.

317
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It's not a mystery,
it's not a lottery, it's a...

318
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It's a sort of, you know,
a formula.

319
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When I look at a project,
I analyze it

320
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as if I were investing
in real estate
and I have to look at

321
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the package and, you know,
what assets are in place.

322
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Obviously, the first,
money in is always

323
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the hardest to find,
but it's so much easier

324
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if you have a director that
believes in your project

325
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and is willing to put
his name on it

326
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or if you have a brand
that really loves it.

327
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And there are
lots of different aspects
that are...

328
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that are more
approachable than others.

329
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So maybe don't start
with talent, 'cause that's

330
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a little scary and you
wanna have some dollar signs

331
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before you go out there,
but definitely

332
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flesh your concept out,
definitely if it has any

333
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tie to a video game,
reach out to video game.

334
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Like, you know,
all that you
can do to bring in

335
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more players and make it
a more appealing asset.

336
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The old way, it used to be,
you had a good script,

337
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you had a good mood board,
maybe you cut together

338
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like a mood reel like you
would take footage from

339
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other stuff and you would
put it together sayin'

340
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you know, "It's gonna kind of
feel like this."

341
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And that used
to get it done.

342
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That doesn't get
it done anymore.

343
00:14:39,052 --> 00:14:42,229
You have to have a really
great, what people perceive,
as a great pitch.

344
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I mean it is a bit
unfortunate that, you know,

345
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you kind of think,
"Oh, I could just get

346
00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:47,582
really good actors
and it doesn't matter,

347
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like it'll be an amazing film."

348
00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:53,936
But uh, for people trying
to select good films

349
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and put them on a platform
where everyone can see them,

350
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it's like looking
for a needle in a haystack,

351
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so it really helps
to have, yeah,

352
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a cast in your film.

353
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If you're doing this, you know,
fully independently,

354
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you're working with people
who are even recognizable,

355
00:15:06,601 --> 00:15:09,821
but not necessarily like
valuable names,

356
00:15:09,865 --> 00:15:12,563
least amount of money
for the best quality product.

357
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JENN WEXLER: The other thing
that really draws us in

358
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is when people have lookbooks, because just receiving a script

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is, it's a little bland
and it's, ah,

360
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from a producing perspective,

361
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it's just like,
"Oh, I have so many

362
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"things to do and now
like reading the script."

363
00:15:27,187 --> 00:15:29,885
Um, but if a script is
accompanied by a lookbook,

364
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then you're like,
"Oh wow, I'm pulled in
by this aesthetic,

365
00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:33,845
"this is so cool."

366
00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:35,108
Are we meeting about Tripped
or are we discussing

367
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the option of a bigger film?

368
00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:41,288
[PLATO FOUNTIDAKIS SPEAKING]

369
00:15:41,331 --> 00:15:44,465
Have they specifically
said that they're
interested in making Tripped?

370
00:15:44,508 --> 00:15:46,728
[PLATO FOUNTIDAKIS SPEAKING]

371
00:15:48,904 --> 00:15:52,908
I'm really shitty at
the financial end of movies
of moviemaking, you know?

372
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I've been fortunate that
most of the work I've been done

373
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has either been network or studio or, you know, things.

374
00:15:58,479 --> 00:16:02,613
Even my original stuff
has been done within a system
that funds itself.

375
00:16:02,657 --> 00:16:09,359
I have done some independent
film work and it's, I think,
it's more difficult than ever

376
00:16:09,403 --> 00:16:12,145
to find funding if you're not
doing something entirely

377
00:16:12,188 --> 00:16:18,064
on your own, because it's
so much more difficult
to make a profit at this.

378
00:16:18,107 --> 00:16:20,544
So getting the funding
to do a film that requires

379
00:16:20,588 --> 00:16:23,199
more than just homemade
guerrilla filmmaking

380
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is excruciating and I,

381
00:16:25,506 --> 00:16:27,247
I wouldn't have a clue
how to do it,

382
00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:29,379
you know,
other than going through

383
00:16:29,423 --> 00:16:33,035
production companies
or through agents or managers,
things like that.

384
00:16:33,079 --> 00:16:36,299
Apparently, the investors
he's talking to
are actually really interested

385
00:16:36,343 --> 00:16:37,518
and they wanna raise the budget.

386
00:16:37,561 --> 00:16:39,128
Is there anything
dishonorable with that,

387
00:16:39,172 --> 00:16:40,521
'cause I'm already
also talking to Eric...

388
00:16:40,564 --> 00:16:42,131
[AVI FEDERGREEN SPEAKING]

389
00:16:42,175 --> 00:16:43,350
Okay, all right.

390
00:16:43,393 --> 00:16:44,960
I just, I wouldn't
want Eric to get pissed,

391
00:16:45,004 --> 00:16:46,831
'cause I'm talkin' to
someone else, too.

392
00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:48,442
But I think that's the...

393
00:16:48,485 --> 00:16:50,487
[FEDERGREEN SPEAKING]

394
00:16:50,531 --> 00:16:52,446
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

395
00:16:52,489 --> 00:16:54,665
-It's the game, right?
It's the way it's played.
-[FEDERGREEN SPEAKING]

396
00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:57,016
-All right.
-[FEDERGREEN SPEAKING]

397
00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:00,497
Yeah, exactly. All right.

398
00:17:00,541 --> 00:17:01,716
Okay then.

399
00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:03,979
Well, still seems
promising on either end.

400
00:17:04,023 --> 00:17:06,547
MIKE MENDEZ: It's always
an adventure when it comes
to financing, you know?

401
00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:09,637
A, how you're gonna
finance the movie
is always a different thing.

402
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,815
Currently, I'm in a project
that is supposed to shoot
six, seven months ago.

403
00:17:13,858 --> 00:17:19,560
Well, honestly three years ago,
but lately we're supposed to do
seven months ago and it...

404
00:17:19,603 --> 00:17:20,996
it, you know,
the money wasn't closed

405
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,259
when we were on set
and it had to collapse.

406
00:17:23,303 --> 00:17:25,305
I'm supposed to leave
at the end of next week.

407
00:17:25,348 --> 00:17:27,002
I don't know if I'm going.

408
00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:31,050
I never feel good
when someone says,

409
00:17:31,093 --> 00:17:32,964
"We almost have the money."

410
00:17:33,008 --> 00:17:35,445
It's... "Next week,
the money should be closing."

411
00:17:35,489 --> 00:17:37,056
I have never had
a good experience.

412
00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:39,406
That is never followed
by something positive.

413
00:17:39,449 --> 00:17:44,802
It's tough enough to find money,but to certainly find money
that's not gonna weigh you down,

414
00:17:44,846 --> 00:17:46,021
you have 16 producers.

415
00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:48,545
I mean look at,
look at movies certainly,

416
00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:53,028
at film festivals now,
there's usually a whole
list of credits, of producers.

417
00:17:53,072 --> 00:17:54,812
12 different
executive producers.

418
00:17:54,856 --> 00:17:56,466
And that's where money
starts to get expensive.

419
00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:58,729
It's like well,
for every one of those people,

420
00:17:58,773 --> 00:18:02,255
they have their own needs,
they want to pump up the budget

421
00:18:02,298 --> 00:18:04,648
but with that comes
their perk package,

422
00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:07,695
and with it comes their,
wife that needs
to be in the movie.

423
00:18:07,738 --> 00:18:10,089
I mean it's a really,
it can be a complicated process.

424
00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:15,181
My strategy is get a job,
work, save your money,

425
00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:18,793
get a nice little, like,
nest egg of cash,

426
00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:21,274
and then produce
your movie yourself.

427
00:18:21,317 --> 00:18:25,756
Keep it simple,
keep your movie small,
get your own budget,

428
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,584
and just keep it.

429
00:18:27,628 --> 00:18:31,458
The more insular you
can keep your production,
I think the better.

430
00:18:31,501 --> 00:18:33,242
I'm supposed to do
the entire movie,

431
00:18:33,286 --> 00:18:36,027
initially based
on plan for $275,000,

432
00:18:36,071 --> 00:18:39,335
which is really low
for how many effects
and how big a movie it is.

433
00:18:39,379 --> 00:18:44,166
And luckily, these guys,
they're, they're more
talking like 1 to 1.5 million.

434
00:18:44,210 --> 00:18:46,734
And I never, I've never
seen Trippedas a big film.

435
00:18:46,777 --> 00:18:48,257
I have to choose
the right partners

436
00:18:48,301 --> 00:18:52,087
and I have to make sure, like,
they're not gonna sign it

437
00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:55,090
and then immediately replace
me as director,
which is not what I want.

438
00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:58,093
Or, you know, no matter what
I need to be...

439
00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:00,095
I need to have some
creative control on the project

440
00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,053
and if that means
that I do it for cheaper,

441
00:19:02,097 --> 00:19:03,620
then so be it.

442
00:19:03,664 --> 00:19:06,406
Don't go into it goin',
"Here's the movie I wanna make.

443
00:19:06,449 --> 00:19:08,799
"Here's the movie
I wanna make.
"Here's the movie to make."

444
00:19:08,843 --> 00:19:10,061
The first question
should be,

445
00:19:10,105 --> 00:19:12,586
"What are the movies
you're lookin' for?"

446
00:19:12,629 --> 00:19:14,065
You know?

447
00:19:14,109 --> 00:19:16,024
And ask that question
to as many people as possible

448
00:19:16,067 --> 00:19:19,201
who are in a position
to release movies,
finance movies,

449
00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:21,334
you know, fellow producers.

450
00:19:21,377 --> 00:19:25,773
Just listen and get a sense
of what type of material
works for them.

451
00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:27,166
It's tough, right?

452
00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:28,558
You're, you're, you're,
you're building yourself,

453
00:19:28,602 --> 00:19:30,125
building your name,
and building who you are,

454
00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:31,866
and you don't really have
a lot of bargaining power

455
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:33,302
at this point in your career.

456
00:19:33,346 --> 00:19:35,130
This is the hardest business,
all aspects of this,

457
00:19:35,174 --> 00:19:38,873
and it's not good enough to justbe one thing anymore.

458
00:19:38,916 --> 00:19:43,138
I'm a writer, I'm a director,
I'm a producer.

459
00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:44,313
No, not good enough.

460
00:19:44,357 --> 00:19:46,881
I need you to be more than that.

461
00:19:46,924 --> 00:19:49,666
I need you to be all
of those things and I need

462
00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:51,929
you to have legal skills,
I need you to understand

463
00:19:51,973 --> 00:19:53,366
what legal jargon means,
you need to know

464
00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:56,238
how to use QuickBooks,
how to file your taxes properly.

465
00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:59,110
Like you cannot just say,
"Well, I'm a director."

466
00:19:59,154 --> 00:20:00,808
Fuck you.

467
00:20:00,851 --> 00:20:03,419
I think this is a year
where I, I start to
grow the fuck up.

468
00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:05,247
A time for me to realize
that I might not know as

469
00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:07,771
much as I think I do
and that's the first step

470
00:20:07,815 --> 00:20:09,817
towards learning
the things I need to know,

471
00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:11,645
to really survive
in this business.

472
00:20:11,688 --> 00:20:13,821
I'm not as effective a producer
as I think I...

473
00:20:13,864 --> 00:20:15,170
I want, I am.

474
00:20:15,214 --> 00:20:17,128
I mean I'm still pretty green
in a lot of ways.

475
00:20:17,172 --> 00:20:18,739
I've always kind of
done it myself every,

476
00:20:18,782 --> 00:20:22,917
everything, a lot of the jobs
myself, a lot of the work.

477
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,094
I put on multiple hats
just to save money,

478
00:20:26,137 --> 00:20:28,575
but I need to learn how
to work with a team.

479
00:20:28,618 --> 00:20:32,013
I'm currently working
on the script for Kane,

480
00:20:32,056 --> 00:20:34,276
which Serena Whitney
and I are co-writing.

481
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,148
Around the same time I met Avi, I also met Serena Whitney,

482
00:20:37,192 --> 00:20:39,150
a writer who was working for Dread Central at the time,

483
00:20:39,194 --> 00:20:41,805
but quickly displayed real talent for screenwriting.

484
00:20:41,849 --> 00:20:44,504
We became friends
and started working together
on a couple of projects.

485
00:20:44,547 --> 00:20:47,681
Kanewas something I discovered
when I was 12 years old.

486
00:20:47,724 --> 00:20:51,772
it was on my mom's bookshelf
and I decided
to read it one night,

487
00:20:51,815 --> 00:20:55,950
and I actually read it
in an entire night,
because it was terrifying.

488
00:20:55,993 --> 00:20:58,953
I told myself,
by 30 I would try to get
the rights to it.

489
00:20:58,996 --> 00:21:02,086
And that's when we got
the rights to the, the film.

490
00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:04,698
McCONNELL: Having
a female writing partner's
pretty cool, because,

491
00:21:04,741 --> 00:21:06,395
[CHUCKLES]
I've been criticized

492
00:21:06,439 --> 00:21:09,311
in the past for not writing
great female characters

493
00:21:09,355 --> 00:21:12,488
and I'll be the first to admit
that was the case for
The Collapsed, for sure.

494
00:21:12,532 --> 00:21:14,447
Uh, hey, Dad?

495
00:21:14,490 --> 00:21:15,665
Yes, Rebecca.

496
00:21:15,709 --> 00:21:16,840
Can I head off for a bit?

497
00:21:16,884 --> 00:21:18,799
I need some privacy.

498
00:21:18,842 --> 00:21:21,541
McCONNELL: Yeah,
I'm distinctly aware of
how stupid this scene is

499
00:21:21,584 --> 00:21:22,890
during the apocalypse.

500
00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:24,544
In this case, we've
got, we've got...

501
00:21:24,587 --> 00:21:27,764
This really tough task of
taking this big-ass book

502
00:21:27,808 --> 00:21:30,506
and turning it into a movie
that's tight,

503
00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:34,510
and still is true to the book
and people will like.

504
00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:36,773
The press went out
last week first that

505
00:21:36,817 --> 00:21:39,254
we optioned that bookKane
by Douglas Borton.

506
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:40,777
You know,
we released the press

507
00:21:40,821 --> 00:21:42,779
and obviously they talk
about the team's last projects

508
00:21:42,823 --> 00:21:45,304
and I guess my last one
is The Collapsed,

509
00:21:45,347 --> 00:21:46,957
which was about 50/50 split.

510
00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:48,872
Half the people hated it,
half the people liked it.

511
00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:51,179
But immediately as soon
as the new press comes out,

512
00:21:51,222 --> 00:21:53,834
you've got people commenting
and saying things like,
" The Collapsedsucked."

513
00:21:53,877 --> 00:21:55,662
I always hate going into
a project with a feeling

514
00:21:55,705 --> 00:21:57,838
like I have to win back
the public or win back

515
00:21:57,881 --> 00:21:59,405
the audience, when, you know,

516
00:21:59,448 --> 00:22:02,190
the difference between a movie
that costs $40,000 to make

517
00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:03,757
that we wrote in three weeks
and the difference

518
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,715
between a movie that's probably gonna cost 1 million,

519
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:10,372
1.5 million that's based
on a book that was written
25 years ago,

520
00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:13,636
that is a solid fucking book,
is night and day.

521
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,162
STEVE KOSTANSKI: I love
reading the Amazon reviews
forManborg,

522
00:22:18,206 --> 00:22:21,296
because one of them,
a guy actually says,

523
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:24,125
"This director should, like,
quit filmmaking,

524
00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:25,605
"never make a movie again."

525
00:22:25,648 --> 00:22:27,911
The fact that any movie
ever gets made is a miracle.

526
00:22:27,955 --> 00:22:31,393
So even like the...
whatever piece of garbage movie
you think is, like,

527
00:22:31,437 --> 00:22:34,091
the worst piece of shit
you've ever seen in your life,

528
00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:37,007
that was somebody's life
for like many years.

529
00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:40,489
And they worked really hard
to make it.

530
00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:43,100
And it were, and it was
really hard just to get it

531
00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:45,581
in front of you,
and so I find that

532
00:22:45,625 --> 00:22:48,932
there's a certain amount of
respect for the filmmaker that

533
00:22:48,976 --> 00:22:51,979
you can afford them
that's just finding

534
00:22:52,022 --> 00:22:53,937
something good about it.

535
00:22:53,981 --> 00:22:56,462
KOSTANSKI: Reading stuff
like that makes me feel
really horrible,

536
00:22:56,505 --> 00:22:59,769
but at the same time it makes
you wanna work hard

537
00:22:59,813 --> 00:23:01,205
and do a better job.

538
00:23:01,249 --> 00:23:03,904
If you get discouraged
when people tell you

539
00:23:03,947 --> 00:23:05,471
that something isn't up to snuff

540
00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:07,951
or they don't believe in you
or support you early on out

541
00:23:07,995 --> 00:23:10,258
or early out, then,
[CHUCKLES]

542
00:23:10,301 --> 00:23:11,781
you might as well just give up,

543
00:23:11,825 --> 00:23:15,219
'cause there's no point
in living a life

544
00:23:15,263 --> 00:23:17,787
where you always feel like
you're less than worthy.

545
00:23:17,831 --> 00:23:19,223
All of us suck.

546
00:23:19,267 --> 00:23:21,400
[CHUCKLING]
You know, like, we're all bad

547
00:23:21,443 --> 00:23:23,793
and the minute you think
you're good, you should quit.

548
00:23:23,837 --> 00:23:25,316
You know what I mean?

549
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,363
I'm sure Spielberg sits
there and he's like, "I suck.

550
00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:29,451
"I could be better.

551
00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:30,931
"I can make better."

552
00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:33,629
You need that doubt so you can
hopefully improve on,

553
00:23:33,673 --> 00:23:35,109
on the next project.

554
00:23:35,152 --> 00:23:37,154
And some of it's just fun
to laugh at, too, 'cause

555
00:23:37,198 --> 00:23:40,984
like seriously Internet
commenters are just ridiculous.

556
00:23:41,028 --> 00:23:45,902
DAVID GREGORY: It's definitely
more of, "It's awesome
or it's shit" world now.

557
00:23:45,946 --> 00:23:49,602
It's definitely more of
a star-rating world now
than than it used to be.

558
00:23:49,645 --> 00:23:52,735
But it's definitely more
democratized as well.

559
00:23:52,779 --> 00:23:55,390
I mean everybody can have
an opinion and,

560
00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:59,873
and influence the way
people see movies,

561
00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:02,789
influence the movies
that people want to see,
I should say.

562
00:24:02,832 --> 00:24:05,008
Take it with a grain of salt,
'cause people are nasty.

563
00:24:05,052 --> 00:24:07,489
It's one of the reasons why
I don't like social media.

564
00:24:07,533 --> 00:24:11,711
They will, you know,
they're just hiding
behind their keyboards,

565
00:24:11,754 --> 00:24:13,887
so they're gonna say whatever
they wanna say.

566
00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:17,673
DAVE ALEXANDER: People
do not act in a civil
or polite manner often

567
00:24:17,717 --> 00:24:19,632
if it's in a virtual world.

568
00:24:19,675 --> 00:24:21,764
There's no reason
to act like that.

569
00:24:21,808 --> 00:24:23,462
You wouldn't act like that
if we were sitting

570
00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:25,202
in a room having a conversation,

571
00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:27,074
so why the fuck
do you think it's okay

572
00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:28,554
that you can act
like that online?

573
00:24:28,597 --> 00:24:31,818
ZACK BERNBAUM: Criticism
is part of the business,

574
00:24:31,861 --> 00:24:35,038
no matter what, it'll happen.

575
00:24:35,082 --> 00:24:36,953
I think you have to
have a thick skin.

576
00:24:36,997 --> 00:24:41,001
A film critic/reviewer
is gonna look at a film

577
00:24:41,044 --> 00:24:43,351
the way that they're gonna
look at it and I think

578
00:24:43,394 --> 00:24:45,745
the best thing we can do is
just sort of let it go.

579
00:24:45,788 --> 00:24:48,399
In some cases
I got savage reviews,
but they always just,

580
00:24:48,443 --> 00:24:50,358
there was always good ones
intermixed with it,

581
00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:51,881
but it all changes.

582
00:24:51,925 --> 00:24:55,189
It's strange how...

583
00:24:55,232 --> 00:25:00,455
a decade or two makes
the difference of how people
see your work and stuff

584
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:02,326
that was... [SIGHS]

585
00:25:02,370 --> 00:25:03,937
Like a film like
Frankenhooker was,

586
00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:05,765
"Oh my God,
it's just tits and ass.

587
00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:07,462
"Just I mean, it's,
that's nothin' there.

588
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:08,942
"It's not a horror film,
just tits and ass."

589
00:25:08,985 --> 00:25:11,814
Now, I read these reviews
that say, "Oh my God,

590
00:25:11,858 --> 00:25:13,990
"it's, you know,
it was so ahead of its time."

591
00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:15,339
Well, which is right?

592
00:25:15,383 --> 00:25:16,602
Which review was right?

593
00:25:16,645 --> 00:25:19,300
The contemporary review
or the review today?

594
00:25:19,343 --> 00:25:21,563
I mean, the answer
is none of it.

595
00:25:21,607 --> 00:25:25,132
McCONNELL: Last week,
we had a meeting
for gettingTripped made.

596
00:25:25,175 --> 00:25:27,134
they said they'd have
contract to us on Monday.

597
00:25:27,177 --> 00:25:29,397
Nothing came on Monday,
nothing came on Tuesday,

598
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,486
it's Friday now, so
I enquired to Plato,

599
00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:32,835
"What's up?"

600
00:25:32,879 --> 00:25:34,358
and it sounds like
they don't want to proceed.

601
00:25:34,402 --> 00:25:36,665
MAN: [ON RECORDING]
Now laid out our mission.

602
00:25:36,709 --> 00:25:38,449
I expect you to
fall in line.

603
00:25:38,493 --> 00:25:39,581
[RINGTONE]

604
00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:41,322
McCONNELL: Hey, Plato.

605
00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:45,805
[FOUNTIDAKIS SPEAKING]

606
00:25:48,329 --> 00:25:49,417
Right.

607
00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:51,985
[FOUNTIDAKIS SPEAKING]

608
00:25:54,465 --> 00:25:56,598
[CHUCKLES] So it
did come down to me.

609
00:25:56,642 --> 00:26:01,429
You know, I, I've only
ever produced at the bare
minimum of a budget like ever.

610
00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:02,735
Ever.

611
00:26:02,778 --> 00:26:04,650
Except the one,
that one video fact video,

612
00:26:04,693 --> 00:26:06,652
but mostly everything
I've ever done was really,

613
00:26:06,695 --> 00:26:10,264
really, really little
budget and it's part of

614
00:26:10,307 --> 00:26:14,529
the reason, you know,
I don't have footage
that looks like Scorsese.

615
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:16,836
Today, you can take a camera
and go out and shoot,

616
00:26:16,879 --> 00:26:18,228
make a movie for no money.

617
00:26:18,272 --> 00:26:20,491
Now, it may suck,
and it may not be a good movie,

618
00:26:20,535 --> 00:26:22,145
but you can actually look at it,

619
00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:24,539
and project it, and it looks
pretty damn good in HD quality,

620
00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,280
and you can
manufacture a disc,

621
00:26:26,323 --> 00:26:29,022
and put a little wrap on it,
and look,
"Hey, I got a movie."

622
00:26:29,065 --> 00:26:31,111
And that works until
people have to sit and watch it,

623
00:26:31,154 --> 00:26:33,635
then it, kind of,
that plan usually falls apart.

624
00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:35,681
There's lots of more,
people more talented than me,

625
00:26:35,724 --> 00:26:37,378
and there's lots of people
less talented than me,

626
00:26:37,421 --> 00:26:39,728
and I've seen less talented
get more successful,

627
00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:41,687
and I've seen more talented
get successful,

628
00:26:41,730 --> 00:26:43,645
and they all get,
they all get there

629
00:26:43,689 --> 00:26:44,994
for different reasons
and they all get their

630
00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:46,735
finance together
for different reasons,

631
00:26:46,779 --> 00:26:48,694
but at the end of the day,

632
00:26:48,737 --> 00:26:52,741
I have just as much chance
as anyone else, I believe.

633
00:26:52,785 --> 00:26:55,004
There are millions of
footnotes in the history

634
00:26:55,048 --> 00:26:58,529
of Hollywood of projects
that someone said,

635
00:26:58,573 --> 00:27:01,054
"You know, I would rather put
this in a drawer

636
00:27:01,097 --> 00:27:03,317
"than, say, sell it."

637
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,276
Um, but at the same time
when you think about it

638
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,670
if someone, you know,
you hear these stories

639
00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:10,672
about someone saying,
"Oh, they offered me all this

640
00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:13,675
"money if I walked away
as the director and,

641
00:27:13,719 --> 00:27:17,070
and I think if,
if that were a client or if,

642
00:27:17,113 --> 00:27:21,291
even if I were that writer
or that filmmaker,

643
00:27:21,335 --> 00:27:23,816
I would think, "If somebody's
willing to offer me money

644
00:27:23,859 --> 00:27:27,558
"to walk away,
I can find somebody
to offer me money

645
00:27:27,602 --> 00:27:29,430
"to stay as, as well.

646
00:27:29,473 --> 00:27:32,302
"If I'm getting this kind of
interest in the material now."

647
00:27:32,346 --> 00:27:33,913
And now, I know.

648
00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:36,089
Right now, I'm, now,
it's the material's
being validated,

649
00:27:36,132 --> 00:27:39,701
this story that I want to tell
is being validated.

650
00:27:39,745 --> 00:27:43,618
DEL TORO: The only way
that you do it
is you try to stay

651
00:27:43,662 --> 00:27:46,055
faithful to yourself
and do movies that,

652
00:27:46,099 --> 00:27:48,101
that really need to be made.

653
00:27:48,144 --> 00:27:50,364
That really you think,
for whatever reason.

654
00:27:50,407 --> 00:27:52,758
It doesn't matter if it's
an intimate little story

655
00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:55,064
or giant robots
and giant monsters.

656
00:27:55,108 --> 00:27:57,414
A part of you needs
that story told.

657
00:27:57,458 --> 00:28:00,722
You know, my 10-year-old
with my Godzilla on one hand

658
00:28:00,766 --> 00:28:03,638
and my Iron Giant
and my Iron Man

659
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,684
on the other are clashing.

660
00:28:05,727 --> 00:28:07,555
That's the guy that
doesPacific Rim.

661
00:28:07,598 --> 00:28:10,601
The, the, super
lonely melancholy kid,

662
00:28:10,645 --> 00:28:12,560
doesPan's Labyrinth, but it's,

663
00:28:12,603 --> 00:28:14,257
It's both equally me.

664
00:28:14,301 --> 00:28:17,565
So that's the only thing,
it, it just tells you,

665
00:28:17,608 --> 00:28:21,395
You wanna fight for the stuff
that is a lost cause.

666
00:28:21,438 --> 00:28:22,657
You know what I'm saying?

667
00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:24,833
A lost cause is the only
one worth fighting.

668
00:28:24,877 --> 00:28:27,357
It's cool, because we're
in the Frontieres Market.

669
00:28:27,401 --> 00:28:28,924
McCONNELL: Oh, my God,
it's coming.

670
00:28:28,968 --> 00:28:30,709
-Oh, no.
-[CORK POPPING]

671
00:28:30,752 --> 00:28:31,753
-McCONNELL: Look at that.
-Yay!

672
00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,276
-Look at that.
-[LAUGHING]

673
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,713
From around the world
over 100 projects are submitted

674
00:28:34,756 --> 00:28:38,281
and usually they're
all pretty legitimate projects,

675
00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,719
because Frontieres is
not just... you can enter,

676
00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:44,766
anyone can enter, but you...
You really gotta have

677
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:46,420
your shit together
to even have a hope

678
00:28:46,463 --> 00:28:49,728
and we were among
the 20 chosen,
so that's awesome.

679
00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:51,947
We set out on a marathon
of work getting a draft

680
00:28:51,991 --> 00:28:53,862
of theKane script ready
to show in less than a month

681
00:28:53,906 --> 00:28:55,298
at the upcoming
Market with the help of

682
00:28:55,342 --> 00:28:57,300
our consulting producer
George Mihalka.

683
00:28:57,344 --> 00:29:00,826
WHITNEY: It's exciting
because I've never done
something like this,

684
00:29:00,869 --> 00:29:02,392
I've never been a part
of a film market,

685
00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:04,786
it's kinda cool to be
on the other side,

686
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:06,570
uh, this is where
I've always wanted to be,

687
00:29:06,614 --> 00:29:10,792
not just reviewing films but to
have my, my film reviewed,

688
00:29:10,836 --> 00:29:13,403
which is what you should want.

689
00:29:13,447 --> 00:29:16,015
Um, so yeah I'm really excited.

690
00:29:16,058 --> 00:29:20,106
I feel like,
I feel like it's, it's like

691
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:22,282
a lifelong dream coming true.

692
00:29:22,325 --> 00:29:24,675
McCONNELL: I know that
Serena's really excited
and she's very optimistic.

693
00:29:24,719 --> 00:29:26,939
I've been down
this road before

694
00:29:26,982 --> 00:29:28,418
where I thought things
were coming together,

695
00:29:28,462 --> 00:29:29,768
and that the movie
was gonna get made,

696
00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,726
and I was ready
to almost celebrate,

697
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,075
and then it didn't happen.

698
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,251
And I am somewhat concerned

699
00:29:35,295 --> 00:29:37,688
that development's
gonna take a long time,

700
00:29:37,732 --> 00:29:39,038
which, that's why

701
00:29:39,081 --> 00:29:40,256
you take the rights
for four years. [CHUCKLES]

702
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:42,215
The best thing
you can hope for is

703
00:29:42,258 --> 00:29:46,306
for some investors to buy,

704
00:29:46,349 --> 00:29:50,876
but that is not the primary
reason why I wanna go.

705
00:29:50,919 --> 00:29:53,313
It's to make the connections,

706
00:29:53,356 --> 00:29:55,184
learn more about film markets,

707
00:29:55,228 --> 00:29:57,230
and hopefully have something

708
00:29:57,273 --> 00:29:58,927
to show for it
at the end of the day.

709
00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:00,842
Oh, wow!

710
00:30:00,886 --> 00:30:02,670
Look at it.

711
00:30:02,713 --> 00:30:03,889
It's real.

712
00:30:03,932 --> 00:30:05,194
McCONNELL: I think we're ready.

713
00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:06,456
I feel like we're ready.

714
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,850
We put a lot of effort
into the package.

715
00:30:08,894 --> 00:30:12,201
We've got a package,
then a lookbook,

716
00:30:12,245 --> 00:30:14,290
then a printed lookbook,
then flyers,

717
00:30:14,334 --> 00:30:16,292
and the posters,
some concept art.

718
00:30:16,336 --> 00:30:19,382
We got the script to the point

719
00:30:19,426 --> 00:30:20,993
where we were
really happy with it.

720
00:30:21,036 --> 00:30:22,429
I guess we're ready.

721
00:30:22,472 --> 00:30:24,126
ROSS DINERSTEIN: I think
film markets are great.

722
00:30:24,170 --> 00:30:27,173
I think a big part of the job
is to meet people that are,

723
00:30:27,216 --> 00:30:28,478
you know,
shared similar interests,

724
00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:29,915
but are from
all over the world.

725
00:30:29,958 --> 00:30:31,438
It gives you an idea
of, you know,

726
00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:33,832
what your peers are doing,
and what's coming up,

727
00:30:33,875 --> 00:30:37,879
and just kind of keeps you freshand keeps it competitive.

728
00:30:37,923 --> 00:30:40,882
McCONNELL: [ON PHONE]
If you were in our shoes,
and doing these meetings,

729
00:30:40,926 --> 00:30:43,667
how would you
approach them?

730
00:30:43,711 --> 00:30:45,365
Like, from a creative
perspective?

731
00:30:45,408 --> 00:30:47,019
What do they rather hear?

732
00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:48,759
Do they wanna hear
about the money
they're gonna make

733
00:30:48,803 --> 00:30:51,588
or do they want to hear about
this great vision we've got?

734
00:30:51,632 --> 00:30:53,939
FEDERGREEN: They know
how to do their job.

735
00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:57,072
They wanna know
on the creative side
what it looks,

736
00:30:57,116 --> 00:31:00,336
what it feels like,
what would you compare it to?

737
00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:03,252
Because then once
they hear all those things,

738
00:31:03,296 --> 00:31:05,298
they wrap their heads around
that and go,

739
00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:08,083
"Okay, yeah, so I remember how successful that movie was.

740
00:31:08,127 --> 00:31:10,825
"If this is gonna be like that, then we can make
X amount of money,

741
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,610
"and we can market it
in an X sort of way,"
and all that kind of stuff.

742
00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:15,786
McCONNELL: Yeah, all right man.
FEDERGREEN: All right,
talk soon.

743
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:17,701
McCONNELL: Okay,
take care, bye.

744
00:31:17,745 --> 00:31:21,357
STEPHANIE TREPANIER:
Over the years, we saw
how the community aspect

745
00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:24,317
of Fantasia
was really important

746
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,233
and was actually getting
new films made.

747
00:31:27,276 --> 00:31:28,930
Filmmakers would meet.

748
00:31:28,974 --> 00:31:32,368
Creating the Market at Fantasia was an extension of that,

749
00:31:32,412 --> 00:31:35,023
but makin' it real,
makin' it serious,

750
00:31:35,067 --> 00:31:38,070
and it went from 220 to 280,

751
00:31:38,113 --> 00:31:41,073
to 350 participants
straightaway,

752
00:31:41,116 --> 00:31:46,034
and people from
top production companies,
sales agencies.

753
00:31:46,078 --> 00:31:48,167
LINDSAY PETERS:
In contrast to some
of the larger markets,

754
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:51,648
we know that one of the key
qualities of Frontieres

755
00:31:51,692 --> 00:31:54,347
is the fact that we create
a relatively small

756
00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:57,480
intimate atmosphere that
actually allows people
to get to know each other.

757
00:31:57,524 --> 00:31:59,743
PETER KUPLOWSKY:
I think after going through
a co-production market

758
00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,789
or any kind of production
marketplace,

759
00:32:01,832 --> 00:32:04,313
you're able to better assess
the movie you're making.

760
00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:07,099
So I've had a project,
which after going through

761
00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:09,188
meetings at
a co-production market,

762
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:12,800
I've then realized maybe this
isn't the right project
for this marketplace,

763
00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:14,280
because I've spoken to
distributors,

764
00:32:14,323 --> 00:32:16,412
and exhibitors, and producers,

765
00:32:16,456 --> 00:32:18,762
and I've realized
this isn't the kind of movie

766
00:32:18,806 --> 00:32:20,851
that people are making
right now,

767
00:32:20,895 --> 00:32:25,204
and so maybe this is movie two,
not movie one
for this particular filmmaker.

768
00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:27,293
ANNICK MAHNERT:
Having all these
people together in one room

769
00:32:27,336 --> 00:32:29,295
for four days
is really amazing,

770
00:32:29,338 --> 00:32:32,820
because you get all these
ideas of how they would
do the things off

771
00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:35,692
or maybe you might
meet someone
who has a project

772
00:32:35,736 --> 00:32:39,000
but he lacks funds
and someone will say,

773
00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,655
"Well, this is great.
I can help you
with the fundings,"

774
00:32:41,698 --> 00:32:44,049
or someone could help
with post-production.

775
00:32:44,092 --> 00:32:48,183
They give you the opportunity
to talk to people in a relaxed,

776
00:32:48,227 --> 00:32:50,185
informal kind of environment

777
00:32:50,229 --> 00:32:55,321
and that's really what this
kind of event is all about.

778
00:32:55,364 --> 00:33:01,414
Otherwise, when you're
back out in the big bad world,
and you need your lawyers,

779
00:33:01,457 --> 00:33:03,764
and your managers,
and your agents to open
those doors for you.

780
00:33:03,807 --> 00:33:06,506
McCONNELL: We currently
have 30 meetings
definitely on the books,

781
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:08,856
but there could be more,
there should be more,

782
00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:11,859
and hopefully we get some
traction with Mark of Kane.

783
00:33:11,902 --> 00:33:13,861
I'm cautiously optimistic.

784
00:33:13,904 --> 00:33:17,212
I think it's important to attendif you're interested
in kind of going for it,

785
00:33:17,256 --> 00:33:18,518
for that world,

786
00:33:18,561 --> 00:33:20,172
and to be aware
of who all the players are,

787
00:33:20,215 --> 00:33:23,044
and what each company
is really there to do, you know?

788
00:33:23,088 --> 00:33:24,915
Are you talking
to a financing producer,

789
00:33:24,959 --> 00:33:28,049
you know, production company,
are you talking
to this distributor

790
00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:31,270
and a lot of it
is just communication
and following up

791
00:33:31,313 --> 00:33:35,578
and figuring out
how to match your project

792
00:33:35,622 --> 00:33:39,756
with the best collaborators
that's gonna really
get you what you want.

793
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,628
When you look at an artist,
you're like,

794
00:33:41,671 --> 00:33:44,631
"Can I be making movies
with this person
for the next 15, 20 years?"

795
00:33:44,674 --> 00:33:47,547
It's just too much effort
to just do a one-off.

796
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:50,724
It's too much effort
if this is that person's
one story

797
00:33:50,767 --> 00:33:51,855
and once they're
done with that,

798
00:33:51,899 --> 00:33:53,422
they might just be
done with film.

799
00:33:53,466 --> 00:33:55,381
I need someone
who's going to be a director

800
00:33:55,424 --> 00:33:57,426
that needs me
just as much as a producer,

801
00:33:57,470 --> 00:34:00,647
and we're gonna spend
our career making films
with each other

802
00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:04,129
and that's what you look for
in someone you wanna collaborate
with, you see a future.

803
00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:07,915
BRYAN BRUCKS: The biggest
first-time filmmaker mistake

804
00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:14,008
is someone trashing
that executive producer's
movies.

805
00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:17,446
The first thing you should do
is look on the wall,
see the movies they produced,

806
00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:19,535
and, you know,
don't shit on 'em.

807
00:34:19,579 --> 00:34:21,711
METTE-MARIE KONGSVED:
If you're talking about being

808
00:34:21,755 --> 00:34:27,195
a filmmaker deciding
which producer or financier
or sales agent to work with,

809
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,505
I mean, I'd say meet with them
and see what your chemistry is
and then do some due diligence.

810
00:34:32,548 --> 00:34:33,984
Ask around.

811
00:34:34,028 --> 00:34:35,812
Do you know anybody
that's done business with them?

812
00:34:35,856 --> 00:34:39,251
Do you know anybody
that has any experiences
with these people?

813
00:34:39,294 --> 00:34:43,211
If they've been around,
chances are people
will have worked with them,

814
00:34:43,255 --> 00:34:45,474
and they'll have opinions.

815
00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:48,477
WHITNEY: I think it really
went well, the Market.

816
00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:51,480
I think we were all
really prepared,

817
00:34:51,524 --> 00:34:56,659
and that was one of the notes
that we received that
we were really prepared,

818
00:34:56,703 --> 00:35:00,533
and that was a good feeling
to know that
we could have stood out.

819
00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:03,579
We met with people that I never
thought I'd get a meeting with

820
00:35:03,623 --> 00:35:05,494
at this stage of the game.

821
00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:08,236
Um, the producers of
Driveand Only God Forgives,

822
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,672
the Weinsteins.

823
00:35:09,716 --> 00:35:11,761
I know, I know,
but nobody was talking about

824
00:35:11,805 --> 00:35:13,763
that particular scandal
when I recorded this.

825
00:35:13,807 --> 00:35:15,025
I've got a lot of hope
at this point.

826
00:35:15,069 --> 00:35:16,723
I'm gonna knock on wood.

827
00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:17,898
[KNOCKING]

828
00:35:17,941 --> 00:35:19,160
Knockin' on wood big time,

829
00:35:19,204 --> 00:35:20,770
'cause you never know,

830
00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:24,165
you never know until you know,
but, uh, holy fuckin' shit.

831
00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,080
The fallout from the Market
ended up being good

832
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,474
in terms of building a network, learning some new things,

833
00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:30,389
and meeting potential
future collaborators,

834
00:35:30,432 --> 00:35:32,217
but the response
toMark of Kane

835
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:34,741
wasn't as immediate
as we'd hoped,
so development continued.

836
00:35:34,784 --> 00:35:36,786
I filled my fall that year
with client work

837
00:35:36,830 --> 00:35:38,614
and shot a zero-budget
comedy short for fun

838
00:35:38,658 --> 00:35:41,095
calledDamned Selfie,
but something
was weighing on me.

839
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,445
Despite some added interest
that hadn't paid off,

840
00:35:43,489 --> 00:35:46,448
I started to realize I've been hitting a brick wall trying to getTripped made.

841
00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:48,842
The decision was made
to put it on the back burner

842
00:35:48,885 --> 00:35:52,193
and focus on a lower-budget
project that has more chance
of getting to camera sooner.

843
00:35:52,237 --> 00:35:54,761
Maybe I suffer from having
too much of the split focus,

844
00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:58,373
but I find that
when one thing stalls,

845
00:35:58,417 --> 00:36:00,506
it's good to have
something else to do.

846
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:04,118
Every day, I am trying
to move the pieces

847
00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,425
on my board forward,
you know?

848
00:36:06,468 --> 00:36:09,906
It's an eternal chess game.

849
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:14,607
So I have a few knights,
and a couple of bishops,
and many pawns,

850
00:36:14,650 --> 00:36:17,479
and occasionally a pawn
can become a queen.

851
00:36:17,523 --> 00:36:22,789
I am obsessed with doing work
and I love family,

852
00:36:22,832 --> 00:36:25,052
I love my personal time
when I'm not working,

853
00:36:25,095 --> 00:36:28,098
but, you know,
I've always been somebody

854
00:36:28,142 --> 00:36:32,233
who has felt the need
to do my own thing,

855
00:36:32,277 --> 00:36:34,366
so I don't work
a nine-to-five.

856
00:36:34,409 --> 00:36:38,283
I always say,
working for yourself
is like working 24/7,

857
00:36:38,326 --> 00:36:43,505
because your hours
are basically
what dictate your output

858
00:36:43,549 --> 00:36:45,594
and what you end up
accomplishing.

859
00:36:45,638 --> 00:36:47,901
You push as many things
forward as you can,

860
00:36:47,944 --> 00:36:52,862
and, well, as they say,
you throw as much mud
at the wall and see what sticks.

861
00:36:52,906 --> 00:36:55,125
I've been trying to
figure out an idea

862
00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:57,606
for a low-budget feature
or something I could do for
Collapsedmoney or cheaper.

863
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:59,391
Um, 50 grand would be ideal.

864
00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:02,220
So I had this idea a while back
I was gonna call Shifter,

865
00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:05,571
and it was just gonna
be basically,

866
00:37:05,614 --> 00:37:07,094
vaguely, it was
about a shapeshifter,

867
00:37:07,137 --> 00:37:09,096
someone who takes on
a new face

868
00:37:09,139 --> 00:37:12,839
every little bit of time, um,
and they are the same character,

869
00:37:12,882 --> 00:37:15,320
but someone else
is playing the character
throughout the movie.

870
00:37:15,363 --> 00:37:17,496
Now, I'm making
a much more simple idea.

871
00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:20,368
I'm gonna call it Lifechanger
instead of Shifter,

872
00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,544
'cause "Shifter"has been taken
a ton of times.

873
00:37:22,588 --> 00:37:26,156
[MAN ON PHONE SPEAKING]

874
00:37:39,648 --> 00:37:41,650
McCONNELL: Are there
character flaws that I have

875
00:37:41,694 --> 00:37:45,045
that you could point out things
that might have pulled me back

876
00:37:45,088 --> 00:37:46,829
or things that
I've had to overcome?

877
00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:49,963
If you had
an idea in your head,
it was right,

878
00:37:50,006 --> 00:37:52,531
you wouldn't take
criticism very well.

879
00:37:52,574 --> 00:37:54,620
[MAN ON PHONE SPEAKING]

880
00:37:54,663 --> 00:37:55,969
Nope.

881
00:37:56,012 --> 00:37:58,711
The rule, the basic rules
of the transformation

882
00:37:58,754 --> 00:38:01,366
is it can't use its power,

883
00:38:01,409 --> 00:38:03,803
it can't transform
until it starts deteriorating.

884
00:38:03,846 --> 00:38:06,762
If we thought maybe
it was something else

885
00:38:06,806 --> 00:38:09,896
or something
you could do better,

886
00:38:09,939 --> 00:38:14,117
you really sort of got
mad about it, you know?

887
00:38:14,161 --> 00:38:16,772
That's just the way
you were or are.

888
00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:18,383
You probably are the
same way right now.

889
00:38:18,426 --> 00:38:19,819
McCONNELL: [CHUCKLING] No.

890
00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:22,169
But yeah, you have
to take criticism, you have to.

891
00:38:22,212 --> 00:38:23,649
-McCONNELL: Yeah.
-Only way to learn.

892
00:38:23,692 --> 00:38:25,041
McCONNELL:
My parents are right.

893
00:38:25,085 --> 00:38:27,261
I need to learn
how to take criticism better.

894
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:28,871
Somethin' to work on.

895
00:38:28,915 --> 00:38:32,179
So that's why it's able
to touch people normally
when...

896
00:38:32,222 --> 00:38:34,573
[MAN ON PHONE SPEAKING]

897
00:38:41,231 --> 00:38:42,581
If you're established,

898
00:38:42,624 --> 00:38:46,324
a successful writer, yeah,
you have a, you know,

899
00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:48,195
justification to
kind of push back.

900
00:38:48,238 --> 00:38:53,374
But if you're starting out,
I mean, be open,
hear out, you know?

901
00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:56,334
Think about it, mull it over,

902
00:38:56,377 --> 00:38:58,727
because the last thing
you want to have happen

903
00:38:58,771 --> 00:39:01,774
is basically the movie gets made
as-is, your vision,

904
00:39:01,817 --> 00:39:04,037
and then you just read
in the reviews all the notes.

905
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,605
Suck up your ego
for a second and understand

906
00:39:06,648 --> 00:39:08,824
that, like, generally,

907
00:39:10,435 --> 00:39:12,828
all somebody's trying
to do is help you.

908
00:39:12,872 --> 00:39:16,615
You don't ever have to agree
with whatever anybody is saying,

909
00:39:16,658 --> 00:39:18,617
but it's very important,

910
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:21,402
I think, to pay that person
proper respect

911
00:39:21,446 --> 00:39:23,230
in terms of listening to it.

912
00:39:23,273 --> 00:39:25,275
In terms of applying
those notes to the movie,

913
00:39:25,319 --> 00:39:27,103
I mean it just depends
on who they're coming from.

914
00:39:27,147 --> 00:39:29,976
McCONNELL: I really have to
start draftingLifechanger.

915
00:39:30,019 --> 00:39:31,673
I've got to start
writing that script.

916
00:39:32,457 --> 00:39:33,806
Title page is laid out.

917
00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:38,506
So now,
here's the first location.

918
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:41,596
MICK GARRIS:
The script is by far
the most important thing.

919
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,991
I would rather see
a well-written,
well-acted story

920
00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:50,518
about interesting characters
that looked shitty or cheap
or undistinguished

921
00:39:50,562 --> 00:39:55,001
than a big extravaganza
with special effects

922
00:39:55,044 --> 00:39:57,395
and beautiful shots
that was empty and nothing.

923
00:39:57,438 --> 00:39:59,614
You can make it look gorgeous,

924
00:39:59,658 --> 00:40:01,747
you can get it
acted brilliantly,

925
00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:03,836
you can get
really cool shots,

926
00:40:03,879 --> 00:40:07,013
but if it's just a weak story
or it's boring,

927
00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:10,495
it's hard to fix that.

928
00:40:10,538 --> 00:40:12,105
I need to write.

929
00:40:12,148 --> 00:40:13,889
I need to turn around
the first draft of Lifechanger

930
00:40:13,933 --> 00:40:17,676
if I hope to hit the plan
that I wanna hit of
shooting by March,

931
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,460
early April at the latest
kind of thing.

932
00:40:19,504 --> 00:40:21,680
If you don't have a deadline,
you tend to go on forever.

933
00:40:21,723 --> 00:40:23,595
I know I certainly do.

934
00:40:23,638 --> 00:40:26,162
So, in a lot of ways,
having a deadline
is an extremely useful thing,

935
00:40:26,206 --> 00:40:30,036
because creativity,
I mean, the kind of mystery
of where creativity comes from

936
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,951
is... You know,
I can't answer that question,

937
00:40:31,994 --> 00:40:36,608
and in terms of feeling inspired
when you're under a pressure,

938
00:40:36,651 --> 00:40:38,523
I find there's
a lot more pressure

939
00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:40,829
that comes out of
not having a deadline.

940
00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:42,440
The hard and fast rule is...

941
00:40:42,483 --> 00:40:44,050
I don't know
who came up with this.

942
00:40:44,093 --> 00:40:47,357
Where I saw it was
on Warren P. Sonoda's
Facebook wall.

943
00:40:47,401 --> 00:40:50,099
When I'm writing
and when I'm trying
to come up with stories,

944
00:40:50,143 --> 00:40:53,102
I have a saying
that I keep trying
to hammer home,

945
00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:55,583
"Don't get it right,
get it written.

946
00:40:55,627 --> 00:40:57,498
"Get it right in the rewrites."

947
00:40:57,542 --> 00:40:59,239
Which makes total sense to me.

948
00:40:59,282 --> 00:41:01,502
You get it down and then...

949
00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:04,113
I've got scripts that
I'm on my eighth
or ninth draft.

950
00:41:04,157 --> 00:41:05,724
You know, the first draft
is the easy one.

951
00:41:05,767 --> 00:41:08,335
I used to think, "Boy,
wouldn't my work be great

952
00:41:08,378 --> 00:41:10,816
"if it took me six months
to write a script?"

953
00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:12,644
No, it would be
labored and shitty,

954
00:41:12,687 --> 00:41:14,297
is what I discovered.

955
00:41:14,341 --> 00:41:18,519
So I would much rather
just sit down
and write a script,

956
00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:22,262
than outline it,
and pitch it,
and do all those things,

957
00:41:22,305 --> 00:41:23,916
and go through...

958
00:41:23,959 --> 00:41:25,526
That to me is agonizing.

959
00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:28,268
The writing process
is exhilarating,

960
00:41:28,311 --> 00:41:29,878
and exciting and fun to me.

961
00:41:29,922 --> 00:41:33,316
Yesterday, I finished
the first draft of Lifechanger,

962
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,710
which is a pretty good
accomplishment.

963
00:41:35,754 --> 00:41:38,191
I worked my butt off on it
over the holidays.

964
00:41:38,234 --> 00:41:40,715
I used to look at life
where I would think,

965
00:41:40,759 --> 00:41:41,934
"This is the year for me.

966
00:41:41,977 --> 00:41:43,936
"This is the year
it's gonna hit.

967
00:41:43,979 --> 00:41:46,416
"This is the year where
I'm gonna break out

968
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:49,594
"and my career's gonna explode,"and all this.

969
00:41:49,637 --> 00:41:51,465
And I've stopped looking
at life that way.

970
00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:54,773
I now look at it more like,
"This is another year

971
00:41:54,816 --> 00:41:57,993
"where I'm gonna put
more bricks on the wall
that will support my career"

972
00:41:58,037 --> 00:42:00,953
or, you know,
whatever lame metaphor
you wanna use,

973
00:42:00,996 --> 00:42:04,043
"Plant the seeds," you know,
whatever...

974
00:42:04,086 --> 00:42:06,132
"Climb the ladder" or...
You know?

975
00:42:06,175 --> 00:42:11,485
I now look at it as a process
as opposed to a big bang.

976
00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:13,922
Here's to next year.[SIGHS]

977
00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:26,456
It's incredibly important
to fail in one's business.

978
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,285
People that have had
very little failure
in their lives,

979
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:30,939
I don't trust them.

980
00:42:30,983 --> 00:42:34,552
McCONNELL: I just
made an update
to the Facebook page

981
00:42:34,595 --> 00:42:36,597
ofThe Eternal
andThe Eternal official site

982
00:42:36,641 --> 00:42:40,209
basically stating that the film is officially shelved.

983
00:42:40,253 --> 00:42:42,734
At a certain point,
I just started to realize

984
00:42:42,777 --> 00:42:44,213
that this thing
is not getting made

985
00:42:44,257 --> 00:42:46,999
and it's not getting made
with me as the director,

986
00:42:47,042 --> 00:42:49,088
and I think the main reason is

987
00:42:49,131 --> 00:42:51,177
that I haven't really
proved myself yet.

988
00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:53,614
At least, not to the point
where people

989
00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:55,921
are taking a risk
on a larger budget for me.

990
00:42:55,964 --> 00:42:57,836
I never used to have
backlog of scripts,

991
00:42:57,879 --> 00:42:59,925
but now, I finally do,
and it's very sad.

992
00:42:59,968 --> 00:43:02,492
They sit there saying,
"What's wrong with me?"

993
00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:06,584
And then, I've also tried
for many filmmakers
to get their movies made,

994
00:43:06,627 --> 00:43:08,803
and though we do
have a roster of films,

995
00:43:08,847 --> 00:43:11,850
I have a whole graveyard

996
00:43:11,893 --> 00:43:15,331
of sad, beautiful movies
that lived in my mind

997
00:43:15,375 --> 00:43:17,638
and that we, over drinks,
would be like,

998
00:43:17,682 --> 00:43:19,205
"This one's gonna be great."

999
00:43:19,248 --> 00:43:21,468
So it's, really,
a tiny percent gets made.

1000
00:43:21,511 --> 00:43:23,383
It's one of the great tragedies.

1001
00:43:23,426 --> 00:43:26,255
If you're a shoemaker,
you make the frickin' shoes,

1002
00:43:26,299 --> 00:43:28,867
if you're a filmmaker,
you dream about the shoes.

1003
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:30,869
It's just a sad state
of affairs, really.

1004
00:43:30,912 --> 00:43:33,306
I always thought I was
a reasonably smart person,

1005
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:35,482
and I'm good at figuring out
how things work,

1006
00:43:35,525 --> 00:43:37,484
and I've been making films
for almost 30 years,

1007
00:43:37,527 --> 00:43:39,007
and I still don't know
how they get made.

1008
00:43:39,051 --> 00:43:42,358
I mean, you know, by fate.

1009
00:43:42,402 --> 00:43:44,186
PAUL SCHRADER:
I wouldn't want
to do it all over again

1010
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:46,580
because I don't think
I would get as lucky
a second time.

1011
00:43:46,624 --> 00:43:48,930
[CHUCKLES]

1012
00:43:48,974 --> 00:43:51,019
You know? And then luck

1013
00:43:51,063 --> 00:43:55,458
has played
a large part in this.

1014
00:43:55,502 --> 00:43:58,331
You know, obviously life
only happens to the prepared,

1015
00:43:58,374 --> 00:44:00,550
but you can be prepared
and not lucky.

1016
00:44:00,594 --> 00:44:07,732
And so you have to have
some fortuitous things happen.

1017
00:44:11,474 --> 00:44:14,303
McCONNELL: I applied to the
Producers Network at Cannes,

1018
00:44:14,347 --> 00:44:19,004
which is essentially,
each year they select or they allow in 300 producers

1019
00:44:19,047 --> 00:44:21,223
from around the world.
They cap it at 300.

1020
00:44:21,267 --> 00:44:23,095
Um, I got in.

1021
00:44:23,138 --> 00:44:25,663
I decided a couple
of months ago,

1022
00:44:25,706 --> 00:44:27,708
I was gonna go to Brussels
for the Frontieres Market there

1023
00:44:27,752 --> 00:44:30,580
because we were in
last summer's one.

1024
00:44:30,624 --> 00:44:31,843
They have one in Brussels,

1025
00:44:31,886 --> 00:44:34,019
one in Montreal each year,

1026
00:44:34,062 --> 00:44:35,629
where I'm allowed to go
to the Brussels one

1027
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,675
and get free accreditation
and take meetings.

1028
00:44:37,718 --> 00:44:39,720
These two trips
are gonna cost me a fair bit,

1029
00:44:39,764 --> 00:44:41,940
but I found
online accommodation,

1030
00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:44,290
I booked all my flights,
and I'm good to go.

1031
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:46,509
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1032
00:44:46,553 --> 00:44:48,903
MAHNERT: What Frontieres
achieved, really,
is the fact that

1033
00:44:48,947 --> 00:44:53,299
you have this gathering
of professionals
of the industry

1034
00:44:53,342 --> 00:44:56,563
who concentrate on genre film, and who know what
they're talking about,

1035
00:44:56,606 --> 00:45:00,698
and who constantly
have to try to find new ways
of financing genre film,

1036
00:45:00,741 --> 00:45:02,961
because it's really not
something that is easy.

1037
00:45:03,004 --> 00:45:07,487
It's not easy in the US,
it's not easy in Canada,
and it's not easy in Europe.

1038
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:23,895
I'm alone in a canal boat
in Amsterdam right now.

1039
00:45:23,938 --> 00:45:26,767
Baked out of my mind
after being at this

1040
00:45:26,811 --> 00:45:28,421
coffee shop called Baba.

1041
00:45:28,464 --> 00:45:29,857
It's been an amazing trip.

1042
00:45:29,901 --> 00:45:33,208
And I think it was the
absolute right choice

1043
00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:35,254
for a lot of different reasons.

1044
00:45:35,297 --> 00:45:38,257
I met some people that are

1045
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:40,650
potentially gonna be allies

1046
00:45:40,694 --> 00:45:42,783
in the path to getting
these movies made,

1047
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:44,872
people that can make 'em happen.

1048
00:45:44,916 --> 00:45:46,439
So we'll see what happens.

1049
00:45:46,482 --> 00:45:49,485
I've never been to the Cannes Film Festival before

1050
00:45:49,529 --> 00:45:54,055
or the Marche du Film,
the Cannes market,
which is why I'm going.

1051
00:45:54,099 --> 00:45:58,233
It's a flea market of film
at the end of the day.

1052
00:45:58,277 --> 00:45:59,931
It's a bunch of little booths.

1053
00:45:59,974 --> 00:46:01,889
You go booth to booth
to booth to booth

1054
00:46:01,933 --> 00:46:04,762
and buyers can
walk around and see
what the new product is,

1055
00:46:04,805 --> 00:46:06,633
and just make deals
right on the spot.

1056
00:46:06,676 --> 00:46:08,156
A whole bunch of deals
get made.

1057
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,288
FEDERGREEN: This is
the biggest game in town.

1058
00:46:09,331 --> 00:46:10,724
There is nothing bigger
than Cannes.

1059
00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:15,163
Sales world is EFM,
Berlinale and Cannes.

1060
00:46:15,207 --> 00:46:17,383
Cannes is most
of the sales agents,

1061
00:46:17,426 --> 00:46:19,777
50% of their global business
is made there.

1062
00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:22,301
What you can get done
in a day in Cannes,

1063
00:46:22,344 --> 00:46:25,173
would take you two years
to get done in Toronto.

1064
00:46:25,217 --> 00:46:27,654
COREY MOOSA: It's a place
for sales agents

1065
00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:31,527
to basically try and sell
pre-sales on their film

1066
00:46:31,571 --> 00:46:35,575
and to gauge interest from
different foreign territories.

1067
00:46:35,618 --> 00:46:39,448
BRIAN YUZNA: When I first
saw the first film market,

1068
00:46:39,492 --> 00:46:43,496
my eyes opened and I thought,
"Oh, so you make the movie,

1069
00:46:43,539 --> 00:46:46,325
"you take it to the market,
you have a little stand,

1070
00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,240
"and then people come
from other countries,

1071
00:46:48,283 --> 00:46:49,632
"and they buy it from you,

1072
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:51,939
"and you end up with
more money than you start."

1073
00:46:51,983 --> 00:46:54,028
The whole thing made sense then.

1074
00:46:54,072 --> 00:46:58,206
FEDERGREEN: And you're
in one place that
the entire industry collects

1075
00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:00,339
for basically ten days

1076
00:47:00,382 --> 00:47:03,733
to help you
realize possibilities.

1077
00:47:03,777 --> 00:47:06,780
There is so much
content right now

1078
00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:10,871
that at these film markets,
it's insane.

1079
00:47:10,915 --> 00:47:13,700
And so it's like, yeah,
the film markets work
for some people,

1080
00:47:13,743 --> 00:47:18,574
but it's like there's just more
stuff at these markets now
than there is room for.

1081
00:47:18,618 --> 00:47:21,055
FEDERGREEN: It's clear
that without having
a sales agent

1082
00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:23,231
come on as early as possible,

1083
00:47:23,275 --> 00:47:26,713
the opportunities for you to
sell your film is less and less.

1084
00:47:26,756 --> 00:47:28,628
GRAHAM SKIPPER:
It's just a whole
different side of stuff,

1085
00:47:28,671 --> 00:47:30,369
'cause if you're an artist,
you're sitting

1086
00:47:30,412 --> 00:47:33,981
in your dream world
and you're just writing
your ideal movie.

1087
00:47:34,025 --> 00:47:37,071
The business aspect
is its whole own art form.

1088
00:47:37,115 --> 00:47:39,857
KEITH LEOPARD: You have
to have an art
and a commerce hat on

1089
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:41,554
and I would just say to guys,

1090
00:47:41,597 --> 00:47:43,861
take the time to learn
the business side of it

1091
00:47:43,904 --> 00:47:45,775
so that you can make
an intelligent decision,

1092
00:47:45,819 --> 00:47:47,603
because there may come a time

1093
00:47:47,647 --> 00:47:51,738
when there aren't gonna be
a ton of sales companies
that can help you

1094
00:47:51,781 --> 00:47:54,219
and you might be out there
on your own going,

1095
00:47:54,262 --> 00:47:55,698
"I gotta figure this out."

1096
00:47:55,742 --> 00:47:57,135
McCONNELL: Is this
your first time at Cannes?

1097
00:47:57,178 --> 00:47:58,527
How many people
have been here before?

1098
00:47:58,571 --> 00:47:59,659
-[CHUCKLING]
-Yeah.

1099
00:47:59,702 --> 00:48:01,530
[LAUGHING]

1100
00:48:01,574 --> 00:48:04,185
-MAN 1: Yeah, come on.
-And counting and counting.

1101
00:48:04,229 --> 00:48:06,535
You know,
it's my 21st year in a row.

1102
00:48:06,579 --> 00:48:08,102
McCONNELL: Twenty-one years?
MAN 2: Yeah.

1103
00:48:08,146 --> 00:48:09,930
-I got some news, guys.
-Yeah.

1104
00:48:09,974 --> 00:48:12,106
I just got off the phone,
all right?

1105
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:14,152
You guys got Sony.

1106
00:48:14,195 --> 00:48:15,370
-MAN 2: Sony?
-[CHUCKLING]

1107
00:48:15,414 --> 00:48:16,763
MICHELANGELO:
Sony, it's a Sony.

1108
00:48:16,806 --> 00:48:18,025
Yo, bro. [CHUCKLING]

1109
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:19,287
MAN 3: Yeah.

1110
00:48:19,331 --> 00:48:20,506
McCONNELL: This week's
been crazy.

1111
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:22,943
The opportunities
that have arisen,

1112
00:48:22,987 --> 00:48:26,512
the possibilities for real dealsthat may happen.

1113
00:48:26,555 --> 00:48:27,905
I had meeting after meeting
after meeting

1114
00:48:27,948 --> 00:48:29,732
after meeting after meeting
after meeting,

1115
00:48:29,776 --> 00:48:33,214
and many of them
were really promising

1116
00:48:33,258 --> 00:48:38,219
to the point where
if any one of them happens,
that's huge.

1117
00:48:38,263 --> 00:48:39,960
I sat within meeting today
with a guy

1118
00:48:40,004 --> 00:48:41,788
who just wants to do
the whole slate,

1119
00:48:41,831 --> 00:48:43,616
all eight to ten movies,

1120
00:48:43,659 --> 00:48:45,139
which... [CHUCKLES]

1121
00:48:45,183 --> 00:48:46,749
Hell, if I can get
The Eternaloff the ground,

1122
00:48:46,793 --> 00:48:48,360
that'll be fuckin' incredible,

1123
00:48:48,403 --> 00:48:49,883
because I've been
working so hard.

1124
00:48:49,927 --> 00:48:52,799
Even The Eternal
is a possibility now again,

1125
00:48:52,842 --> 00:48:54,888
'cause of this.

1126
00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:57,499
So basically, I should be
able to walk out of this
and be set for life.

1127
00:48:57,543 --> 00:48:58,936
That's what it seems like.

1128
00:48:58,979 --> 00:49:01,373
It seems like that's what
I've just done for myself.

1129
00:49:02,417 --> 00:49:05,072
So, you know,
there's hope out there.

1130
00:49:05,116 --> 00:49:08,510
You just gotta work your
balls off and it'll pay off.

1131
00:49:08,554 --> 00:49:09,859
I believe it'll pay off.

1132
00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:11,513
I think it's gonna pay off.

1133
00:49:11,557 --> 00:49:13,428
I hope it does,
'cause if I've got this,

1134
00:49:13,472 --> 00:49:15,387
and that catalogue of
1,000 companies in there,

1135
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:17,258
and I can't make
that work for me,

1136
00:49:17,302 --> 00:49:19,304
then I don't belong
in this business.

1137
00:49:24,135 --> 00:49:27,573
I'm a little on edge right now
for a few different reasons.

1138
00:49:27,616 --> 00:49:29,270
I mean, this is the week
where I've been waiting

1139
00:49:29,314 --> 00:49:31,229
for a lot of answers
to come back on Mark of Kane

1140
00:49:31,272 --> 00:49:33,448
and Lifechanger
and all this stuff.

1141
00:49:33,492 --> 00:49:37,017
I'm gonna hear from
MPI today or tomorrow,

1142
00:49:37,061 --> 00:49:39,454
apparently, about if
they're coming on board
for Lifechanger,

1143
00:49:39,498 --> 00:49:42,631
so that could be big news
or it could be bad news.

1144
00:49:42,675 --> 00:49:46,548
Earlier today, I got
a rejection, or a pass
email from MPI.

1145
00:49:46,592 --> 00:49:48,333
They're passing
the Lifechanger

1146
00:49:48,376 --> 00:49:50,683
after evaluating the project
for about five weeks
after Cannes,

1147
00:49:50,726 --> 00:49:53,642
and then shortly after that,
like a couple hours later,

1148
00:49:53,686 --> 00:49:55,688
I got an email
from the investors

1149
00:49:55,731 --> 00:49:58,038
that Avi and I met with
two weeks ago
and we pitched Lifechangerto

1150
00:49:58,082 --> 00:49:59,822
and it was another pass.

1151
00:49:59,866 --> 00:50:03,348
Constant rollercoaster,
just ups and downs,
and ups and downs.

1152
00:50:03,391 --> 00:50:07,047
[FEDERGREEN ON PHONE SPEAKING]

1153
00:50:07,091 --> 00:50:11,095
Phew!
Every fuckin' bit of blood
from the stone, man,

1154
00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:12,661
every bit of blood
from the stone.

1155
00:50:12,705 --> 00:50:15,273
When you're dealing
with a low-budget movie,

1156
00:50:15,316 --> 00:50:17,492
you have to be able to roll
with some punches.

1157
00:50:17,536 --> 00:50:19,233
WHITNEY: I think it would
be even better this year.

1158
00:50:19,277 --> 00:50:22,149
I think last year,
we were very new to the...

1159
00:50:22,193 --> 00:50:23,846
Well, at least,
the Frontieres film market,

1160
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:25,892
I know I was new
to the film market world.

1161
00:50:25,935 --> 00:50:28,329
Um, it felt more like
speed dating,

1162
00:50:28,373 --> 00:50:31,593
whereas now
you've already had that date,

1163
00:50:31,637 --> 00:50:34,640
and now you can actually
make good contacts,

1164
00:50:34,683 --> 00:50:36,990
and be more confident
in the meetings.

1165
00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:38,818
We're still promoting
Mark of Kane

1166
00:50:38,861 --> 00:50:43,692
quite intensely,
but I brought an entire slate,

1167
00:50:43,736 --> 00:50:46,304
so right now, what I'm doing
is putting together
a slate document,

1168
00:50:46,347 --> 00:50:50,221
which is basically
a small binder of all
of the projects

1169
00:50:50,264 --> 00:50:55,095
and films that I currently
have in some stage
of development.

1170
00:50:55,139 --> 00:50:56,966
FEDERGREEN: We've got a lot
of projects in development.

1171
00:50:57,010 --> 00:51:00,579
I mean, I think, you know,
the slate is so long,
we could actually,

1172
00:51:00,622 --> 00:51:04,974
if you strung it out,
we'd probably reach
the Arctic Pole with it.

1173
00:51:05,018 --> 00:51:07,107
Uh, we'll see how it plays out.

1174
00:51:07,151 --> 00:51:09,588
We will see how
our meetings go

1175
00:51:09,631 --> 00:51:11,503
and hopefully, we get
some results out of them.

1176
00:51:11,546 --> 00:51:15,115
But long story short,
I'm trying to be
as prepared as possible.

1177
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:16,812
♪ Step up, step... ♪

1178
00:51:16,856 --> 00:51:18,988
McCONNELL: When you've been
to enough genre festivals,

1179
00:51:19,032 --> 00:51:21,687
you start to realize karaoke
is kind of a secret handshake
with this crowd,

1180
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:23,732
so you better work
on your chops.

1181
00:51:23,776 --> 00:51:26,257
There is a certain subculture,
strangely,

1182
00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:28,128
and I think it's accidental.

1183
00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:31,131
I mean, we started doing it
in 2007

1184
00:51:31,175 --> 00:51:33,220
and it just turned out
that so many people

1185
00:51:33,264 --> 00:51:36,919
were closet karaoke fiends.

1186
00:51:36,963 --> 00:51:39,879
It's a fun time for people
to relax and unwind.

1187
00:51:39,922 --> 00:51:44,144
I think a lot of people
that are on the festival junket
have seen a lot of films,

1188
00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:46,059
maybe they're here
more to socialize.

1189
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,453
GIGI SAUL GUERRERO:
Maybe that's how
filmmakers really connect.

1190
00:51:48,496 --> 00:51:49,758
With Josie Man?

1191
00:51:49,802 --> 00:51:51,717
I thought it was just
with beer and drinks,

1192
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,110
but karaoke? Really?

1193
00:51:53,153 --> 00:51:54,937
SHANE McKENZIE: That's
how minors connect.

1194
00:51:54,981 --> 00:51:56,287
[ALL LAUGH]

1195
00:51:56,330 --> 00:51:58,115
GUERRERO: Karaoke
seems to be what brings

1196
00:51:58,158 --> 00:52:02,336
the true inner filmmaker
out of people and be like,

1197
00:52:02,380 --> 00:52:06,427
"I wanna see your films.
You sing good.
You must make good films."

1198
00:52:06,471 --> 00:52:11,345
We did a couple dozen meetings,
and it was all very promising.

1199
00:52:11,389 --> 00:52:15,654
Everybody we wanted
to take meetings with
absolutely took the meeting.

1200
00:52:15,697 --> 00:52:18,178
Everyone's gonna
look at our material.
We'll see what happens.

1201
00:52:18,222 --> 00:52:19,875
So I just got the phone call
from Avi.

1202
00:52:19,919 --> 00:52:21,442
Telefilm called Avi.

1203
00:52:21,486 --> 00:52:22,835
So they've greenlit 12 films

1204
00:52:22,878 --> 00:52:24,576
in this latest round
of applications

1205
00:52:24,619 --> 00:52:26,317
and Lifechanger
was not one of them.

1206
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,101
I put a lot of work
into that application.

1207
00:52:28,145 --> 00:52:29,711
It's not happening with them,

1208
00:52:29,755 --> 00:52:32,932
so that means I'm probably not
shooting in November at all.

1209
00:52:32,975 --> 00:52:35,326
So, um, shit.

1210
00:52:35,369 --> 00:52:37,284
It's not that
I was overly optimistic

1211
00:52:37,328 --> 00:52:39,895
that we were gonna get it,
because it was a long shot
to begin with

1212
00:52:39,939 --> 00:52:43,856
being how weird, and risky,
and different the project is,

1213
00:52:43,899 --> 00:52:49,035
but once they called us
in and had us present them
with additional materials

1214
00:52:49,078 --> 00:52:52,865
and told us, "If you did this,
we'll consider it more,"

1215
00:52:52,908 --> 00:52:54,693
definitely, I started
to get my hopes up

1216
00:52:54,736 --> 00:52:56,738
because they were actually
taking it seriously.

1217
00:52:56,782 --> 00:52:58,479
Of course, those hopes
were dashed.

1218
00:52:58,523 --> 00:53:00,829
The big issue is that
[SNIFFLES]

1219
00:53:00,873 --> 00:53:03,092
I'm just unsure of myself
these days.

1220
00:53:03,136 --> 00:53:06,357
I needed to clear my head,
so I decided to take
a trip to Fantastic Fest.

1221
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,054
As far as genre festivals go,

1222
00:53:08,097 --> 00:53:09,882
it's one of
the top destinations
in North America

1223
00:53:09,925 --> 00:53:12,319
and having wanted
to go for over a decade
at that point,

1224
00:53:12,363 --> 00:53:14,234
I thought maybe the trip
would inspire me.

1225
00:53:14,278 --> 00:53:16,367
-[POP]
-[CHEERING]

1226
00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:17,629
[CLAPPING]

1227
00:53:17,672 --> 00:53:19,718
McCONNELL: I flew home
from that

1228
00:53:19,761 --> 00:53:21,720
with a sole desire to produce
something of quality
as soon as possible.

1229
00:53:21,763 --> 00:53:23,156
I'm gonna drop
a bunch of money

1230
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,855
and make a short film on
November 21st and 22nd,

1231
00:53:26,899 --> 00:53:29,031
mostly 'cause I haven't
been behind a camera
in a long time

1232
00:53:29,075 --> 00:53:30,729
and I need to get
the juices flowing,

1233
00:53:30,772 --> 00:53:33,558
but also because
I feel like we're going
into these meetings

1234
00:53:33,601 --> 00:53:37,736
and we've got all this
very strong creative material,

1235
00:53:37,779 --> 00:53:39,651
but we don't have
a combined proof of concept

1236
00:53:39,694 --> 00:53:42,567
that both Serena and I
have worked on that says,
"Here's what we can do."

1237
00:53:42,610 --> 00:53:43,611
Everybody, if you have

1238
00:53:43,655 --> 00:53:45,004
the opportunity to do it

1239
00:53:45,047 --> 00:53:46,658
without breaking the bank,

1240
00:53:46,701 --> 00:53:48,790
shoot an actual
couple minutes, you know?

1241
00:53:48,834 --> 00:53:51,924
An original proof
of concept that says,
"Here's what it is,"

1242
00:53:51,967 --> 00:53:53,839
'cause then you can sit down
with these people

1243
00:53:53,882 --> 00:53:55,667
and they're still aware
of the obstacles and things.

1244
00:53:55,710 --> 00:53:58,147
But if you sit down and say,
"I wanna make this,"

1245
00:53:58,191 --> 00:54:00,324
and you've actually
got a piece of it,

1246
00:54:00,367 --> 00:54:04,284
and they can look at it and say,"Well, that's kind of awesome.

1247
00:54:04,328 --> 00:54:05,503
"How do we help?"

1248
00:54:05,546 --> 00:54:07,679
So I'm gonna put in
not a ton of money,

1249
00:54:07,722 --> 00:54:10,290
I mean, like, five grand,
which is still a fair bit,

1250
00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:12,205
and make a ten-minute short.

1251
00:54:12,249 --> 00:54:16,122
You can leap and do a feature
straightaway,

1252
00:54:16,165 --> 00:54:20,126
but obviously, it's much better
to do a short first

1253
00:54:20,169 --> 00:54:24,652
because one, it's cheaper,
it takes less time to do,

1254
00:54:24,696 --> 00:54:30,354
and it's a good way
to get a lot of learning
in terms of screenwriting,

1255
00:54:30,397 --> 00:54:33,444
in terms of pre-production,
in terms of production,

1256
00:54:33,487 --> 00:54:36,098
but also learning in terms
of the film industry.

1257
00:54:36,142 --> 00:54:39,101
The reality is most
short filmmakers
are taking a loss

1258
00:54:39,145 --> 00:54:40,581
when they make a short film,

1259
00:54:40,625 --> 00:54:42,540
because they're investing
time and money on a project

1260
00:54:42,583 --> 00:54:45,630
that is not gonna see
any substantial
box-office return.

1261
00:54:45,673 --> 00:54:47,371
The best thing to do is to try and make something

1262
00:54:47,414 --> 00:54:49,460
that's a statement of yourself as a filmmaker

1263
00:54:49,503 --> 00:54:50,852
that can get you
the next project,

1264
00:54:50,896 --> 00:54:52,898
that can get you the paid gig.

1265
00:54:52,941 --> 00:54:56,989
Be it a music video,
be it a feature film,
be it a commercial.

1266
00:54:57,032 --> 00:54:58,991
McCONNELL: I've been running
a monthly short film festival

1267
00:54:59,034 --> 00:55:00,819
called "Little Terrors"
since 2011,

1268
00:55:00,862 --> 00:55:03,430
and one thing I've learned
from playing
over 600 short films

1269
00:55:03,474 --> 00:55:07,173
is they tend to be very wise
first steps toward getting
feature films made.

1270
00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:09,349
I've lost count
of the number of people

1271
00:55:09,393 --> 00:55:11,786
who made notable feature films in the years following me
playing their shorts.

1272
00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:13,135
If you can do it, just do it

1273
00:55:13,179 --> 00:55:15,181
because even if you do something
over the weekend,

1274
00:55:15,224 --> 00:55:17,314
and it's you do it for no money,

1275
00:55:17,357 --> 00:55:19,054
and it's not gonna
get you anywhere,

1276
00:55:19,098 --> 00:55:20,578
at least you have
something that people
could look at to say,

1277
00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:22,362
"Okay, I see the way
this person works,

1278
00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:24,582
"what their vision is."

1279
00:55:24,625 --> 00:55:26,366
KEVIN KOLSCH: If you've
done stuff before
and you've finished projects,

1280
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:27,802
if you've done projects,

1281
00:55:27,846 --> 00:55:29,238
and you've actually
got them completed,

1282
00:55:29,282 --> 00:55:30,892
-and out there.
-Yep.

1283
00:55:30,936 --> 00:55:34,069
And you did it all on your own
or with no budget or no money,

1284
00:55:34,113 --> 00:55:36,985
then they go like, "Okay,
if I give this guy a budget
and some money,

1285
00:55:37,029 --> 00:55:39,379
"he's gonna finish a product."

1286
00:55:39,423 --> 00:55:41,599
The most important thing
about a short film is

1287
00:55:41,642 --> 00:55:43,383
is that you're making it
with the idea

1288
00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:45,777
that you're gonna use this
as sort of a calling card

1289
00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:49,171
to steer you into making
your first feature
and you can use those.

1290
00:55:49,215 --> 00:55:52,044
Telefilm, when
you're going to apply
for production money,

1291
00:55:52,087 --> 00:55:54,873
likes to see a sample
of your previous work.

1292
00:55:54,916 --> 00:55:56,701
So if you've done
two or three short films,

1293
00:55:56,744 --> 00:55:58,659
they're gonna ask
to see those short films

1294
00:55:58,703 --> 00:56:01,532
when you submit your application
for production financing,

1295
00:56:01,575 --> 00:56:04,622
so they can see,
do you have the chops

1296
00:56:04,665 --> 00:56:07,538
to direct actors
and make a good quality film.

1297
00:56:07,581 --> 00:56:09,278
That should be
a close-up, right?

1298
00:56:09,322 --> 00:56:10,454
Of what?

1299
00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:12,412
Of when when you see
the aftermath of it,

1300
00:56:12,456 --> 00:56:13,674
-when you move.
-Yeah.

1301
00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:15,328
Yeah, well, it'll probably
be like you wanna

1302
00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:17,156
be able to see Steve move
and the blood to spray.

1303
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,463
-So it's gonna be like
medium close-up.
-Okay, so, medium close-up.

1304
00:56:19,506 --> 00:56:22,814
-So he heads that way.
-The killer isn't there, is he?

1305
00:56:22,857 --> 00:56:24,293
No, the killer's
in the bathroom, this way.

1306
00:56:24,337 --> 00:56:26,426
-In the bathroom
and comes suddenly.
-Yeah.

1307
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:28,036
McCONNELL: It's been stressful.
This has been one of
the more stressful

1308
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,516
pre-production processes
I've done.

1309
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,257
Because I'm putting in
all that kind of money,

1310
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,651
I'd rather not rush a product
and then just dump it online.

1311
00:56:33,694 --> 00:56:35,566
I think it's probably better
if we take the time,

1312
00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:38,351
make it the best short film it can be in editing and post,

1313
00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:40,701
then release it
as a proper festival short,

1314
00:56:40,745 --> 00:56:43,661
get the proper festival
sort of traction,

1315
00:56:43,704 --> 00:56:46,533
and then release it online
down the road,

1316
00:56:46,577 --> 00:56:49,231
'cause there's no point
in just "blah"
and then it's out there.

1317
00:56:49,275 --> 00:56:51,973
-So are we seeing him coming
from downstairs there.
-Yeah.

1318
00:56:52,017 --> 00:56:53,627
McCONNELL: We're gonna
shoot that afterwards.

1319
00:56:53,671 --> 00:56:56,151
McCONNELL: Ready for action?
MAN 1: I'm ready for action.

1320
00:56:56,195 --> 00:56:58,806
McCONNELL: Action!
WOMAN 1: Get back! Get back!

1321
00:56:58,850 --> 00:57:00,634
Get back, Jessica!

1322
00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:01,940
[YELLING]

1323
00:57:01,983 --> 00:57:04,159
-Get back!
-[MAN GRUNTING]

1324
00:57:04,203 --> 00:57:05,509
-[WOMAN 1 PANTING]
-That's great.

1325
00:57:05,552 --> 00:57:07,336
-[WOMAN 1 YELLING]
-It's enough. We'll cut it.

1326
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:09,251
Now let it drop.

1327
00:57:09,295 --> 00:57:10,427
-[GRUNTING]
-McCONNELL: Oh, shit.

1328
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:11,950
-Whoa!
-McCONNELL: Oh, dude, that's it.

1329
00:57:11,993 --> 00:57:12,994
WOMAN 2: Fuck.
MAN 2: That was way too much.

1330
00:57:13,038 --> 00:57:14,474
McCONNELL: How did that happen?

1331
00:57:14,518 --> 00:57:15,867
Holy shit.

1332
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:17,346
You know how gore gags are.

1333
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:20,567
They always take longer
than anyone plans for them,

1334
00:57:20,611 --> 00:57:22,743
but that's why you have to
be patient with them.

1335
00:57:22,787 --> 00:57:25,442
GARRIS: You have to budget
enough time to do it right.

1336
00:57:25,485 --> 00:57:28,401
If you're doing a decapitation
or something,

1337
00:57:28,445 --> 00:57:31,709
some sort of body horror thing,
it's gonna go wrong.

1338
00:57:31,752 --> 00:57:36,583
Chances are, nine out of ten,
that you're going to need
to do it more than once.

1339
00:57:36,627 --> 00:57:38,629
KOSTANSKI: Everybody talks about, "Oh, practical effects!

1340
00:57:38,672 --> 00:57:41,849
"We gotta have a creature
or a gag in our movie,"

1341
00:57:41,893 --> 00:57:44,809
and then they expect you
to show up,

1342
00:57:44,852 --> 00:57:47,464
and basically walk on,
the thing happens,

1343
00:57:47,507 --> 00:57:48,987
like you come out like
a magician like,

1344
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:51,032
"Oh, look at this cool thing.
Bye."

1345
00:57:51,076 --> 00:57:53,078
And you walk off
and everything's perfect.

1346
00:57:53,121 --> 00:57:56,037
But the problem
with practical effects
that people don't realize

1347
00:57:56,081 --> 00:57:59,388
is that they don't work
90% of the time.

1348
00:57:59,432 --> 00:58:01,782
PAUL JONES: A camera has been
prototyped, and tested,

1349
00:58:01,826 --> 00:58:03,567
and it worked,
and everything's fantastic.

1350
00:58:03,610 --> 00:58:05,351
You plug it in,
you switch it on,

1351
00:58:05,394 --> 00:58:07,962
you move the lights around,
it's gonna work
every single time.

1352
00:58:08,006 --> 00:58:12,053
The severed hand gag
or the disemboweling gag

1353
00:58:12,097 --> 00:58:15,579
that's been created
for your movie was built once,

1354
00:58:15,622 --> 00:58:17,755
hasn't really been tested
that well,

1355
00:58:17,798 --> 00:58:20,497
and God knows
what it's gonna do on camera.

1356
00:58:20,540 --> 00:58:23,543
So the best advice I can give
to anybody starting,

1357
00:58:23,587 --> 00:58:26,677
who wants to
incorporate prosthetics
into their production

1358
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,636
is A, insist on camera tests.

1359
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,422
Have somebody film it working
before they bring it to set.

1360
00:58:33,466 --> 00:58:36,600
Be careful that you have
a good stunt coordinator.

1361
00:58:36,643 --> 00:58:39,820
The thing about stunts
is you can get hurt.

1362
00:58:39,864 --> 00:58:42,997
MENDEZ: One of my tricks
that I at least try

1363
00:58:43,041 --> 00:58:44,869
is to have a second unit
that I trust

1364
00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:48,786
that takes care of
special makeup effects,
takes care of stunts,

1365
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:52,267
takes care of any sort of
practical special effects

1366
00:58:52,311 --> 00:58:56,184
just 'cause it's you know...
My AD calls it a "Time Vampire."

1367
00:58:56,228 --> 00:58:58,796
These things are time vampires
and time is the one,

1368
00:58:58,839 --> 00:59:00,754
the most precious commodity
that we have.

1369
00:59:00,798 --> 00:59:02,930
JONES: John Landis
once said to me, he said,

1370
00:59:02,974 --> 00:59:04,628
"You know, a director's job

1371
00:59:04,671 --> 00:59:08,109
"is to listen
to everybody's opinion
and then make yours."

1372
00:59:08,153 --> 00:59:11,765
So if you're gonna hire
any prosthetics guy, make sure,

1373
00:59:11,809 --> 00:59:14,072
especially somebody
more experienced like myself,

1374
00:59:14,115 --> 00:59:15,943
listen to what
they have to say.

1375
00:59:15,987 --> 00:59:18,076
Don't come in with,
"Well, I need this from you"
and that's it.

1376
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:20,600
I think the consideration
is largely overlooked

1377
00:59:20,644 --> 00:59:22,341
because if you're
sitting in a trailer

1378
00:59:22,384 --> 00:59:23,951
and you're doing
a makeup on somebody,

1379
00:59:23,995 --> 00:59:27,389
and an AD
or an assistant comes in,

1380
00:59:27,433 --> 00:59:29,087
"How long is it gonna take?"

1381
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:30,958
You say, "Half an hour,"

1382
00:59:31,002 --> 00:59:32,612
and then they come in
five minutes later,

1383
00:59:32,656 --> 00:59:35,746
"I told you, you know,
half an hour.
It's gonna take..."

1384
00:59:35,789 --> 00:59:38,705
And they keep coming in
trying to get you to the set.

1385
00:59:38,749 --> 00:59:43,101
So if you hire me two days
before you start shooting,

1386
00:59:43,144 --> 00:59:45,973
I only get 48 hours
to build something.

1387
00:59:46,017 --> 00:59:48,236
I know it seems obvious,

1388
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,065
but I'm finding
with more and more projects,

1389
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:52,937
regardless of the budget,

1390
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:57,985
that the preparation part
is being cut shorter
and shorter and shorter.

1391
00:59:58,029 --> 00:59:59,944
McCONNELL: Are we ready?
MAN 1: Okay, you ready, Justin?

1392
00:59:59,987 --> 01:00:01,119
McCONNELL: I'm ready, I'm here.

1393
01:00:01,162 --> 01:00:02,207
Action!

1394
01:00:02,250 --> 01:00:05,340
[SCREAMING]

1395
01:00:06,254 --> 01:00:08,474
-McCONNELL: Oh!
-[WOMAN GIGGLING]

1396
01:00:08,517 --> 01:00:10,824
McCONNELL: We finished
the sound mix
and the final mix

1397
01:00:10,868 --> 01:00:12,478
onDo You See What I See?,

1398
01:00:12,521 --> 01:00:15,655
our short film,
Serena and my short film,
yesterday.

1399
01:00:15,699 --> 01:00:19,616
So now what we're doing
is we're emailing it
as a Christmas card

1400
01:00:19,659 --> 01:00:26,187
to every single producer,
agent, studio person,
festival person, financer,

1401
01:00:26,231 --> 01:00:28,233
etcetera, that we met
in the last two years.

1402
01:00:28,276 --> 01:00:31,192
It's really just
a proof of concept for us
as a team

1403
01:00:31,236 --> 01:00:33,194
and just a way
for people to see

1404
01:00:33,238 --> 01:00:34,631
that we're not just talkers,

1405
01:00:34,674 --> 01:00:36,154
we're not just there
taking meetings,

1406
01:00:36,197 --> 01:00:37,459
we're actually making things.

1407
01:00:37,503 --> 01:00:39,636
Filmmakers today
really have to do the hustle.

1408
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:41,420
They have to get out there,

1409
01:00:41,463 --> 01:00:44,466
they gotta pound the pavement,
they gotta hit the Internet,

1410
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:46,512
they have to really
canvass the markets,

1411
01:00:46,555 --> 01:00:48,688
and get to know
the festival programmers.

1412
01:00:48,732 --> 01:00:52,692
It's so key, because
there's such a glut
of product out there now.

1413
01:00:52,736 --> 01:00:56,653
It's tough to get noticed,
so you really have to put
a lot of effort into it.

1414
01:00:56,696 --> 01:01:00,308
DEAN CUNDEY: There was
quite a bit of hustle
on my first films

1415
01:01:00,352 --> 01:01:03,572
because, you know, you need
to make yourself desirable.

1416
01:01:03,616 --> 01:01:07,576
But one of the things
I always tried to do was,

1417
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:09,404
on those low budget films,

1418
01:01:09,448 --> 01:01:11,929
give them quality, whether they wanted it or not,

1419
01:01:11,972 --> 01:01:16,977
providing the producer,
whoever,
with a a quality product,

1420
01:01:17,021 --> 01:01:21,242
something that, you know,
fulfils their expectations
or exceeds them.

1421
01:01:21,286 --> 01:01:23,331
McCONNELL: So how does
it feel to have
a finished short film?

1422
01:01:23,375 --> 01:01:26,900
Good. Well, I'll feel better
once we know
the reactions to it.

1423
01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:29,511
Um, but I feel good.

1424
01:01:29,555 --> 01:01:32,079
McCONNELL: I'm realizing
that 2015 was
a really banner year

1425
01:01:32,123 --> 01:01:34,125
in terms of
making things happen

1426
01:01:34,168 --> 01:01:37,650
and travelling to a lot of these markets and festivals for the first time.

1427
01:01:37,694 --> 01:01:40,827
I have a really good feeling
about 2016.

1428
01:01:40,871 --> 01:01:44,091
I took an arrow to the head
from a guy standing
five feet away from me

1429
01:01:44,135 --> 01:01:45,832
and it wasn't the arrow
that hurt me,

1430
01:01:45,876 --> 01:01:48,356
but it hit the mask
and then drove the mask
into my forehead,

1431
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,923
so I have a gash.

1432
01:01:49,967 --> 01:01:52,491
This is Freddy.
How's it going?
I adopted this guy.

1433
01:01:52,534 --> 01:01:53,840
Hey, buddy.

1434
01:01:56,277 --> 01:01:58,627
We're here for
the world premiere of
Do You See What I See?,

1435
01:01:58,671 --> 01:02:00,717
the short film we shot
just before Christmas.

1436
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,196
So are you nervous?

1437
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:03,763
Oh, little bit.

1438
01:02:03,807 --> 01:02:06,374
But you know,
it's a short, so we'll see.

1439
01:02:06,418 --> 01:02:07,549
[CHUCKLING] We'll see.

1440
01:02:07,593 --> 01:02:09,203
I don't think
anyone's gonna boo.

1441
01:02:09,247 --> 01:02:13,164
HOST: Um, Justin and Serena
um, was the idea initially

1442
01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:17,342
to subvert and make a mess
of a Christmas movie?

1443
01:02:17,385 --> 01:02:19,300
I don't think
the Christmas thing
came up first...

1444
01:02:19,344 --> 01:02:22,782
SKIPPER: There's nothing
like sitting in an audience
with people,

1445
01:02:22,826 --> 01:02:25,698
and hearing the sound
booming around you,

1446
01:02:25,742 --> 01:02:30,268
and seeing this beautiful
image up on the screen

1447
01:02:30,311 --> 01:02:32,487
looking the way that
you intended it to look.

1448
01:02:32,531 --> 01:02:36,448
Young emerging filmmakers
should see their films
with an audience

1449
01:02:36,491 --> 01:02:38,319
and see how the audience
is reacting.

1450
01:02:38,363 --> 01:02:42,497
Flaws become really apparent
when you're seeing them
with a crowd.

1451
01:02:42,541 --> 01:02:44,456
I think when you're
looking at it on a monitor

1452
01:02:44,499 --> 01:02:47,981
and you're with it
and you're too close to it,
you can't see them.

1453
01:02:48,025 --> 01:02:51,768
When jokes aren't working
or if tension
doesn't build right

1454
01:02:51,811 --> 01:02:53,465
or if it's too slow,
you'll see that,

1455
01:02:53,508 --> 01:02:56,250
because people
aren't reacting like
you think they should.

1456
01:02:56,294 --> 01:02:57,904
I did feel the premiere
was frustrating

1457
01:02:57,948 --> 01:03:00,994
and I was pissed off

1458
01:03:01,038 --> 01:03:02,779
that the short had
a lesser impact

1459
01:03:02,822 --> 01:03:05,956
than I was hoping it would
because of the tech issues.

1460
01:03:05,999 --> 01:03:08,175
And there's other stuff, too.

1461
01:03:08,219 --> 01:03:11,309
I mean, I know some people
don't get the ending
that clearly.

1462
01:03:11,352 --> 01:03:13,615
They see it
as a they-live thing

1463
01:03:13,659 --> 01:03:15,966
and that the people
at the party are demons
as opposed to the opposite.

1464
01:03:16,009 --> 01:03:18,055
It's an augmented reality game

1465
01:03:18,098 --> 01:03:22,102
where the game replaces
living people as visual
representations of demons

1466
01:03:22,146 --> 01:03:23,756
to make it easier to kill them.

1467
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,453
You're not gonna
sell your short.

1468
01:03:25,497 --> 01:03:30,458
I mean, you may,
but don't plan this.

1469
01:03:30,502 --> 01:03:34,854
But if it's good,
it's gonna do
the festival circuit.

1470
01:03:34,898 --> 01:03:36,203
If it does
the festival circuit,

1471
01:03:36,247 --> 01:03:37,944
then it gives you
an opportunity

1472
01:03:37,988 --> 01:03:40,207
to travel through
the festival circuit,

1473
01:03:40,251 --> 01:03:43,820
to meet festival programmers,
to make friends around,

1474
01:03:43,863 --> 01:03:46,126
to build that community
that you're really gonna need

1475
01:03:46,170 --> 01:03:49,216
when you do your feature film.

1476
01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:51,871
Film festivals
are hugely important
to filmmakers,

1477
01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:55,135
mainly because
it's a chance to develop
the audience,

1478
01:03:55,179 --> 01:03:57,877
it lets distributors
and salespeople know

1479
01:03:57,921 --> 01:03:59,923
that there is an audience
for your film,

1480
01:03:59,966 --> 01:04:03,361
and it's basically a way
of getting publicity
and interest in your film.

1481
01:04:03,404 --> 01:04:06,843
It is another way
for an independent filmmaker

1482
01:04:06,886 --> 01:04:09,497
to have that sort
of audience-building,

1483
01:04:09,541 --> 01:04:11,891
and just to see whether
your film's actually working.

1484
01:04:11,935 --> 01:04:15,373
You have to kinda
get the lay of the land

1485
01:04:15,416 --> 01:04:17,941
and kinda figure out, well,
what film festivals are valuable

1486
01:04:17,984 --> 01:04:20,508
for what it is,
what film you're doing,

1487
01:04:20,552 --> 01:04:22,032
and what it is
you want your film to do.

1488
01:04:22,075 --> 01:04:23,772
If you wanna sell your film,

1489
01:04:23,816 --> 01:04:25,774
then there are
certain film festivals
you should be pursuing.

1490
01:04:25,818 --> 01:04:28,821
If you want to get
critical acclaim,
there's other film festivals.

1491
01:04:28,865 --> 01:04:31,128
If you wanna just have
a good time, and meet people,

1492
01:04:31,171 --> 01:04:33,086
and, you know, party,

1493
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:34,871
then there's another set of film festivals.

1494
01:04:34,914 --> 01:04:36,873
MAURICETTE: You shouldn't
just cast a wide net.

1495
01:04:36,916 --> 01:04:38,918
Just kind of focus
on film festivals

1496
01:04:38,962 --> 01:04:42,661
and make sure you read
the film festival mandate,

1497
01:04:42,704 --> 01:04:46,317
because that will tell you
what the film festival's
looking for.

1498
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,189
A film festival,
the buzz that comes out
of it is, well, free.

1499
01:04:49,233 --> 01:04:50,451
For one, it's free publicity.

1500
01:04:50,495 --> 01:04:52,584
Well, how else are
you gonna do that?

1501
01:04:52,627 --> 01:04:56,240
Build buzz on a bad movie,
like, without film festivals,
what are you gonna do?

1502
01:04:56,283 --> 01:04:59,330
So, yeah, I mean,
film festivals,

1503
01:04:59,373 --> 01:05:02,463
it's absolutely critical
if your movie's good.

1504
01:05:02,507 --> 01:05:04,335
All I can say is
continue to make films.

1505
01:05:04,378 --> 01:05:05,727
I mean,
there's one producer

1506
01:05:05,771 --> 01:05:08,861
that I've been dealing with
for ten years.

1507
01:05:08,905 --> 01:05:11,168
He's been submitting films
for ten years,

1508
01:05:11,211 --> 01:05:16,173
and finally in 2013,
he had a film that worked,

1509
01:05:16,216 --> 01:05:17,609
and I selected it.

1510
01:05:17,652 --> 01:05:18,784
And it was great.

1511
01:05:18,827 --> 01:05:21,352
Like, it was a great feeling,

1512
01:05:21,395 --> 01:05:23,267
and I'm so glad that
he kept on persevering.

1513
01:05:23,310 --> 01:05:25,399
I mean, his films went
and played other festivals,

1514
01:05:25,443 --> 01:05:31,014
but people thinking that TIFF
or Cannes or Sundance
is the be-all and end-all,

1515
01:05:31,057 --> 01:05:33,059
that's the wrong way to do it.

1516
01:05:33,103 --> 01:05:34,974
You know, more and more now,

1517
01:05:35,018 --> 01:05:37,455
I'm seeing these situations
where a film will get
one festival date,

1518
01:05:37,498 --> 01:05:39,283
then a day or two later,
you hear, you hear,

1519
01:05:39,326 --> 01:05:41,111
uh, an acquisition
announcement,

1520
01:05:41,154 --> 01:05:43,548
which is always exciting,
and then two days after that you

1521
01:05:43,591 --> 01:05:45,680
see a VOD date,
and it's like, "Whoa!

1522
01:05:45,724 --> 01:05:47,291
"You've just strangled
it in the womb."

1523
01:05:47,334 --> 01:05:49,162
Like, "Why in the world?"

1524
01:05:49,206 --> 01:05:50,729
You know, there's so
many titles that are

1525
01:05:50,772 --> 01:05:52,557
being made now and
they're being rushed to

1526
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,428
marketplace quicker
and quicker.

1527
01:05:54,472 --> 01:05:56,430
[EXHALING]

1528
01:05:56,474 --> 01:05:59,346
I still, I don't feel
artistically fulfilled.

1529
01:05:59,390 --> 01:06:02,697
Every step of the career
so far has been planting seeds

1530
01:06:02,741 --> 01:06:04,786
and hoping they bear fruit,
and sometimes they do

1531
01:06:04,830 --> 01:06:08,834
and sometimes they...
I don't even know.

1532
01:06:08,877 --> 01:06:11,619
I don't know
what the root structure
looks like yet.

1533
01:06:11,663 --> 01:06:13,752
I just haven't seen
the fruit there.

1534
01:06:13,795 --> 01:06:16,320
All right. Okay,
talk to you later. Bye.

1535
01:06:18,844 --> 01:06:20,889
[EXHALES]

1536
01:06:20,933 --> 01:06:23,588
McCONNELL: We...
Looks like we have a green
light forLifechanger,

1537
01:06:23,631 --> 01:06:25,198
these investors out west.

1538
01:06:25,242 --> 01:06:26,939
I have to now call Raven Banner
and make sure

1539
01:06:26,983 --> 01:06:29,072
they'll take the pre-sale
deal for it to offer

1540
01:06:29,115 --> 01:06:31,770
international rights
like they agreed to before,

1541
01:06:31,813 --> 01:06:33,815
but if they take the deal,
according to the terms

1542
01:06:33,859 --> 01:06:35,992
the investors want,
we have a film.

1543
01:06:36,035 --> 01:06:39,256
I'm now looking
at the uh, final co-producer

1544
01:06:39,299 --> 01:06:40,822
agreement for Lifechanger.

1545
01:06:40,866 --> 01:06:45,305
It looks like
at this point set... you know,

1546
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:47,568
if, if the other
producers are legit,

1547
01:06:47,612 --> 01:06:49,701
and the money
is actually there,
which they say it is,

1548
01:06:49,744 --> 01:06:52,051
um, I, Lifechanger's a go.

1549
01:06:52,095 --> 01:06:54,532
At that point,
ifLifechanger was going
to camera that year,

1550
01:06:54,575 --> 01:06:56,099
it wouldn't be
for many months.

1551
01:06:56,142 --> 01:06:57,752
So I planned and shot
a micro-budget,

1552
01:06:57,796 --> 01:06:59,537
single-take style film
calledRed Mile

1553
01:06:59,580 --> 01:07:01,104
in order to have
something new
to put into the market

1554
01:07:01,147 --> 01:07:03,019
and build
the track record further.

1555
01:07:03,062 --> 01:07:04,759
TOM HOLLAND: If there's
a mistake to be made,
I've made it.

1556
01:07:04,803 --> 01:07:06,761
You have to keep
producing constantly.

1557
01:07:06,805 --> 01:07:08,676
You know, get out
your four-minute shorts,

1558
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,463
get out your
two-minute, you know,
blackout curtain things.

1559
01:07:12,506 --> 01:07:14,987
You see, you cannot...

1560
01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:18,512
you cannot ever stop.

1561
01:07:18,556 --> 01:07:21,080
So this is the best advice,
really, for young filmmaker.

1562
01:07:21,124 --> 01:07:24,431
Look around you,
you are a storyteller.

1563
01:07:24,475 --> 01:07:26,912
Write a story
that you can make a movie

1564
01:07:26,955 --> 01:07:29,088
with the means
which are around you,

1565
01:07:29,132 --> 01:07:30,568
and just go ahead
and make it.

1566
01:07:30,611 --> 01:07:33,179
And even if the first one
is not the biggest success,

1567
01:07:33,223 --> 01:07:35,268
go and make the next one.

1568
01:07:35,312 --> 01:07:37,705
FRANK HENENLOTTER:
I'm very happy working with
as few people as possible.

1569
01:07:37,749 --> 01:07:39,533
I really enjoy it.

1570
01:07:39,577 --> 01:07:42,232
I mean, when I'm...
when I'm shooting something
on the streets,

1571
01:07:42,275 --> 01:07:44,843
I never have permission,
and that's fine,

1572
01:07:44,886 --> 01:07:46,323
because nobody
pays attention to it.

1573
01:07:46,366 --> 01:07:48,107
They assume it's a news crew or something.

1574
01:07:48,151 --> 01:07:50,631
So, nobody,
nobody gives me...

1575
01:07:50,675 --> 01:07:54,287
any interference, whatsoever.
It's what I prefer.

1576
01:07:54,331 --> 01:07:56,115
So I've got
a really busy few days
ahead of me

1577
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:58,900
if I wanna have
a cut of Red Mileready to view

1578
01:07:58,944 --> 01:08:00,728
as a screener for Cannes.

1579
01:08:00,772 --> 01:08:02,556
It's not gonna be
a finished version of the movie.

1580
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,603
Well, I love the editing.
Editing is similar to writing.

1581
01:08:05,646 --> 01:08:07,605
When you're editing,
you're really rewriting

1582
01:08:07,648 --> 01:08:10,086
the picture as... visually,

1583
01:08:10,129 --> 01:08:13,654
and tightening,
and suddenly you realize
you don't need this scene

1584
01:08:13,698 --> 01:08:16,092
or the material
in this scene is repetitive.

1585
01:08:16,135 --> 01:08:19,660
GARRIS: Knowing how to edit,
you know, and to be concise,

1586
01:08:19,704 --> 01:08:22,228
because there is a sure sign
of amateurism

1587
01:08:22,272 --> 01:08:24,100
when you're masturbating
with a camera.

1588
01:08:24,143 --> 01:08:26,972
To feel that every moment
of your grand epic

1589
01:08:27,015 --> 01:08:30,106
is worth capturing, and...
and feeling the pain.

1590
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:33,152
You have to be ruthless
when you're finally
making your film.

1591
01:08:33,196 --> 01:08:36,068
I'd rather see a great, brisk
80-minute movie

1592
01:08:36,112 --> 01:08:37,896
that covers all the bases

1593
01:08:37,939 --> 01:08:40,159
than 120 minutes
of navel-gazing.

1594
01:08:40,203 --> 01:08:42,466
McCONNELL: I showed
the film last night
to the cast and crew,

1595
01:08:42,509 --> 01:08:43,902
and they all seem to love it.

1596
01:08:43,945 --> 01:08:46,600
I know a lot more work
needs to be done on post.

1597
01:08:46,644 --> 01:08:48,689
I'm still gonna bring
this version to Cannes,

1598
01:08:48,733 --> 01:08:51,736
and try
and get early talks going.

1599
01:08:51,779 --> 01:08:53,868
Leave for Cannes tomorrow.

1600
01:08:53,912 --> 01:08:56,393
I am still a little nervous
about the heightened
police state

1601
01:08:56,436 --> 01:08:58,134
that Cannes is gonna be under,

1602
01:08:58,177 --> 01:09:02,181
and the... the threats
that, you know,
beaches in Europe are,

1603
01:09:02,225 --> 01:09:05,532
are under right now, but...
[EXHALING]

1604
01:09:05,576 --> 01:09:07,317
If something
like that happens

1605
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:08,970
and I am taken
out of this world,

1606
01:09:09,014 --> 01:09:11,147
I feel like I've still lived
as a good human.

1607
01:09:11,190 --> 01:09:13,540
This time last year,
I sat on this exact balcony

1608
01:09:13,584 --> 01:09:16,456
and I did a self-interview,
but I remember

1609
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:18,110
talking and saying that
I felt like

1610
01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:19,981
I was finally ready
for this business.

1611
01:09:20,025 --> 01:09:22,854
I see a change coming
and I hope it's a big one.

1612
01:09:22,897 --> 01:09:25,509
I hope that all the work,
and all the groundwork,

1613
01:09:25,552 --> 01:09:27,380
and everything, all the effort
that has been put in

1614
01:09:27,424 --> 01:09:29,252
over the years pays off.

1615
01:09:29,295 --> 01:09:31,297
The good news
is that it looks like
Lifechanger'sgreenlit.

1616
01:09:31,341 --> 01:09:34,213
I just have to...
It has to be the best it can
possibly be,

1617
01:09:34,257 --> 01:09:36,955
'cause that's what's gonna
elevate me to that next step,

1618
01:09:36,998 --> 01:09:40,741
is making a quality film
that people enjoy,

1619
01:09:40,785 --> 01:09:42,265
and putting enough
thought into it,

1620
01:09:42,308 --> 01:09:44,397
and time and effort
to do it right.

1621
01:09:44,441 --> 01:09:47,618
We actually struck out twice.

1622
01:09:47,661 --> 01:09:49,707
Once with
the traditional funding,

1623
01:09:49,750 --> 01:09:51,535
and then once with the
private funding.

1624
01:09:51,578 --> 01:09:54,625
It's a few hours
after I got the email that

1625
01:09:54,668 --> 01:09:56,279
the investors were
pulling out of Lifechanger.

1626
01:09:56,322 --> 01:09:57,802
This was gonna be
my first movie

1627
01:09:57,845 --> 01:09:59,543
where somebody
actually invested in me,

1628
01:09:59,586 --> 01:10:05,113
and my work, where, you know,
aside from my parents or myself.

1629
01:10:05,157 --> 01:10:07,899
Still hasn't happened.
[SIGHS]

1630
01:10:07,942 --> 01:10:10,815
I don't know
what that means. [SNIFFLES]

1631
01:10:10,858 --> 01:10:12,904
I know the business is tough,
but it isn't that tough.

1632
01:10:12,947 --> 01:10:15,298
There's shit being made
all the time, so am I shit?

1633
01:10:15,341 --> 01:10:17,474
Is the stuff I do shit?
Or is it just...

1634
01:10:17,517 --> 01:10:20,259
Yeah, it's a ladder
and a rung just broke.

1635
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,307
As much as the business
feels difficult for me
to navigate,

1636
01:10:24,350 --> 01:10:27,484
I'll fully admit
I have no idea
how difficult it must be

1637
01:10:27,527 --> 01:10:30,791
for people who are even more
marginalized than myself
to break in.

1638
01:10:30,835 --> 01:10:33,229
Even coming from nowhere
and working my way
in bit by bit,

1639
01:10:33,272 --> 01:10:34,752
I'm still a white male
in a business

1640
01:10:34,795 --> 01:10:37,058
dominated by the same,
and I'm not facing the same

1641
01:10:37,102 --> 01:10:38,973
systematic bias
that others are.

1642
01:10:39,017 --> 01:10:40,932
The toughest job right now
for women in the industry

1643
01:10:40,975 --> 01:10:42,760
is being a director,

1644
01:10:42,803 --> 01:10:47,286
because a woman's vision
is not the same
as a man's vision,

1645
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:50,246
and we need to work
so much harder

1646
01:10:50,289 --> 01:10:52,073
to convince buyers

1647
01:10:52,117 --> 01:10:54,119
and distributors
that it's worth it.

1648
01:10:54,162 --> 01:10:57,165
Lloyd Kaufman recently
called it the "blood ceiling"

1649
01:10:57,209 --> 01:10:58,906
in the horror genre, you know.

1650
01:10:58,950 --> 01:11:00,386
He actually said
it was despicable, you know,

1651
01:11:00,430 --> 01:11:02,910
how few opportunities
there are for women.

1652
01:11:02,954 --> 01:11:06,305
The stories are just,
you wanna scream.

1653
01:11:06,349 --> 01:11:08,307
I have to prove myself
a lot harder.

1654
01:11:08,351 --> 01:11:11,658
I'm also very bubbly
and so at times, like,

1655
01:11:11,702 --> 01:11:13,704
"You make horror films?
You sure?

1656
01:11:13,747 --> 01:11:15,053
"You're wearing pink
right now," you know?

1657
01:11:15,096 --> 01:11:17,490
It's like you don't get...

1658
01:11:17,534 --> 01:11:19,492
I'm not taken
seriously right away.

1659
01:11:19,536 --> 01:11:21,625
Part of what makes the world,
and narrative,

1660
01:11:21,668 --> 01:11:23,714
and the stories that we...
that we tell is that we tell,

1661
01:11:23,757 --> 01:11:25,933
that we have
the voice of everyone.

1662
01:11:25,977 --> 01:11:30,721
That we have the voices
of men and female, transgender,

1663
01:11:30,764 --> 01:11:32,810
all races, all colors.

1664
01:11:32,853 --> 01:11:34,986
That's why I have
a very interest as a producer

1665
01:11:35,029 --> 01:11:38,642
to do cross-cultural projects,
because again,

1666
01:11:38,685 --> 01:11:42,428
looking at the specifics
of cultures
that are not necessarily mine,

1667
01:11:42,472 --> 01:11:45,910
there is a universal quality
that brings us
all together.

1668
01:11:45,953 --> 01:11:48,129
VUCKOVIC: Look at the
average filmgoers, you know,

1669
01:11:48,173 --> 01:11:49,827
more than half
of them are women.

1670
01:11:49,870 --> 01:11:52,569
We know this is
a fact, we know
this to be true,

1671
01:11:52,612 --> 01:11:56,834
and yet the numbers
are staggeringly low.

1672
01:11:56,877 --> 01:11:59,053
The numbers of women
directing films,

1673
01:11:59,097 --> 01:12:01,055
producing films
are staggeringly low.

1674
01:12:01,099 --> 01:12:02,927
MAURICETTE: I don't think
powers that be have

1675
01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:08,106
a lot of faith still
in having marginalized people

1676
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:10,021
starring in
their own film.

1677
01:12:10,064 --> 01:12:12,371
And I don't know
what that is,
because, you know,

1678
01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:15,374
I mean, everybody knows
Jordan Peele
sold millions of dollars,

1679
01:12:15,418 --> 01:12:17,376
and broke records,
and Black Panther,

1680
01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:19,160
and the whole nine yards.

1681
01:12:19,204 --> 01:12:24,470
So that still hasn't really,
I feel like, settled in.

1682
01:12:24,514 --> 01:12:26,298
OLIVIA SAPERSTEIN: I can
point the finger
as much as I want,

1683
01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:28,518
but how can I
take responsibility
for my career.

1684
01:12:28,561 --> 01:12:32,086
And if you're not doing
the work and you have
nothing to show, then...

1685
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:34,393
-You're part of the problem.
-You're part of the problem.

1686
01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:37,918
So, like my whole mentality
now, it's just like,

1687
01:12:37,962 --> 01:12:40,921
"Okay, then I'm gonna
write something
that no one can refuse."

1688
01:12:40,965 --> 01:12:43,228
People say you can't
tell new stories.

1689
01:12:43,271 --> 01:12:44,708
I don't think
that's entirely true,

1690
01:12:44,751 --> 01:12:47,145
because I think
there's a lot
of stories out there

1691
01:12:47,188 --> 01:12:51,105
that haven't had
the voice in the past.

1692
01:12:51,149 --> 01:12:55,980
So it's exciting
that we're starting
to get to see those stories.

1693
01:12:56,023 --> 01:12:58,199
McCONNELL: With
Lifechanger stalled again,

1694
01:12:58,243 --> 01:13:00,158
I at least had
the festivals and the release
ofRed Mile to focus on.

1695
01:13:00,201 --> 01:13:02,334
We premiered in December
at the Whistler Film Festival

1696
01:13:02,378 --> 01:13:04,118
and I managed
to secure distribution,

1697
01:13:04,162 --> 01:13:06,686
which influenced the title
change toBroken Mile.

1698
01:13:06,730 --> 01:13:08,732
We played another sizable
fest in Toronto,

1699
01:13:08,775 --> 01:13:11,561
and a couple in the US,
and the film was released
in early summer 2017

1700
01:13:11,604 --> 01:13:13,389
in a rather limited capacity,

1701
01:13:13,432 --> 01:13:16,087
which is to be expected
for a micro-budget film
like this.

1702
01:13:16,130 --> 01:13:18,002
The reviews were mixed
but skewed positive,

1703
01:13:18,045 --> 01:13:19,351
and the film did all right,

1704
01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:22,006
but didn't exactly
set the world on fire.

1705
01:13:22,049 --> 01:13:24,487
Like before, I kept focusing on what was coming next,

1706
01:13:24,530 --> 01:13:26,271
the next rung on the ladder.

1707
01:13:26,314 --> 01:13:27,968
In addition
to the constant client work,

1708
01:13:28,012 --> 01:13:29,883
I keep filling my days
with little
and big steps forward

1709
01:13:29,927 --> 01:13:32,408
and developing my slate,
three projects in particular.

1710
01:13:32,451 --> 01:13:34,279
Mark of Kane,
the feature-length version

1711
01:13:34,322 --> 01:13:36,020
of our short
Do You See What I See?

1712
01:13:36,063 --> 01:13:38,457
and, of course,Lifechanger
are the current priority.

1713
01:13:38,501 --> 01:13:40,894
Between all the meetings,
markets, conference calls,

1714
01:13:40,938 --> 01:13:42,940
email chains, and rewrites,

1715
01:13:42,983 --> 01:13:45,464
they're all proving
development is more
of a marathon than a sprint.

1716
01:13:45,508 --> 01:13:47,684
Time keeps passing
and hope keeps going

1717
01:13:47,727 --> 01:13:49,555
up and down
like a roller coaster.

1718
01:13:49,599 --> 01:13:52,210
Oh, no. [CHUCKLING]

1719
01:13:52,253 --> 01:13:55,169
What I've learned so far,
in the past couple of years

1720
01:13:55,213 --> 01:13:57,476
of trying to get
this picture off the ground

1721
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,913
is that you really
need people to believe
in your project.

1722
01:13:59,957 --> 01:14:02,742
You can't really
take everything
you hear from people

1723
01:14:02,786 --> 01:14:04,701
that can help you seriously

1724
01:14:04,744 --> 01:14:08,139
until the contracts are signed
or deals are made.

1725
01:14:08,182 --> 01:14:10,968
I'm hoping this year is a year that we at least know

1726
01:14:11,011 --> 01:14:12,535
that it's going somewhere,

1727
01:14:12,578 --> 01:14:14,275
it's gonna be in pre-production
by the end of the year.

1728
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:16,190
I have a good feeling
about that.

1729
01:14:16,234 --> 01:14:19,237
I met Justin a few years ago
at Cannes and he told me
about the project.

1730
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,806
Um, I was really excited
to have a read of the novel,

1731
01:14:22,849 --> 01:14:24,764
and then
after doing that,

1732
01:14:24,808 --> 01:14:27,593
it was a case of just seeing
what we could put together

1733
01:14:27,637 --> 01:14:29,813
to be able to finance it
and make it happen.

1734
01:14:29,856 --> 01:14:31,815
At this point, we've built up
a really solid project.

1735
01:14:31,858 --> 01:14:34,905
We've got Serhat,
who's a fantastic director,
on board,

1736
01:14:34,948 --> 01:14:36,602
we've got
several major investors,

1737
01:14:36,646 --> 01:14:39,475
and we're just waiting
on the final piece
to kind of kick in

1738
01:14:39,518 --> 01:14:41,302
to cover our post-production.

1739
01:14:41,346 --> 01:14:44,958
Fingers crossed,
we should be shooting
within the next 12 months.

1740
01:14:45,002 --> 01:14:47,308
McCONNELL: I'm in
a nice restaurant right now

1741
01:14:47,352 --> 01:14:49,310
and I'm marking this moment,
because we just sat

1742
01:14:49,354 --> 01:14:51,487
with Keith at Uncork'd
and I might have a green light
for Lifechanger.

1743
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:53,184
[PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]

1744
01:14:53,227 --> 01:14:54,620
Uh, yeah.

1745
01:14:54,664 --> 01:14:57,101
I remember the steak
was excellent that night.

1746
01:14:57,144 --> 01:14:59,930
[CHUCKLING]
And so was the wine.

1747
01:14:59,973 --> 01:15:02,889
Took a lot of work,
but we might be here.

1748
01:15:02,933 --> 01:15:04,543
Let's see.

1749
01:15:04,587 --> 01:15:08,199
We basically, at the end
of that whole conversation,

1750
01:15:08,242 --> 01:15:10,723
before the main course
arrived, actually,

1751
01:15:10,767 --> 01:15:13,857
we had solidified
the agreement verbally.

1752
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:16,381
What the structure is looking
like is Raven Banner

1753
01:15:16,424 --> 01:15:18,122
coming on board
for part of the finance

1754
01:15:18,165 --> 01:15:20,167
and selling international
sales rights,

1755
01:15:20,211 --> 01:15:22,126
Uncork'd in the US
coming on board

1756
01:15:22,169 --> 01:15:23,693
for more
than half of the budget.

1757
01:15:23,736 --> 01:15:25,477
I got a very busy
fall ahead of me.

1758
01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:27,523
I gotta shoot Lifechanger,
and I've got tons
of client work,

1759
01:15:27,566 --> 01:15:30,003
and then we have
to get Mark of Kane

1760
01:15:30,047 --> 01:15:31,701
fully together and packaged,

1761
01:15:31,744 --> 01:15:34,399
and hopefully start
shooting that in January.

1762
01:15:34,442 --> 01:15:37,271
So what we did is
we hired a casting director
named Ashley Hallihan,

1763
01:15:37,315 --> 01:15:40,448
who went out
and got self-tapes
from tons of different people.

1764
01:15:40,492 --> 01:15:43,582
We're talking like dozens,
and dozens,
and dozens of people.

1765
01:15:43,626 --> 01:15:46,498
You know, the minute that
a casting director is hired,

1766
01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:51,938
it translates to the agents
and managers that there's money,

1767
01:15:51,982 --> 01:15:53,810
the project's moving forward,

1768
01:15:53,853 --> 01:15:57,161
that the production
is going to be working
in a professional manner.

1769
01:15:57,204 --> 01:15:58,379
I've been going through
these self-tapes

1770
01:15:58,423 --> 01:16:00,294
and then tomorrow,
I'm going to the Carlton

1771
01:16:00,338 --> 01:16:03,471
to do one-on-one meetings
with the finalists,
I guess you could put it.

1772
01:16:03,515 --> 01:16:05,212
We're doing...
I'm doing 15-minute meetings.

1773
01:16:05,256 --> 01:16:06,953
Every 15 minutes I meet
with a new person

1774
01:16:06,997 --> 01:16:08,346
just to get a feel
for who they are as people.

1775
01:16:08,389 --> 01:16:10,435
There's many actors
for one role,

1776
01:16:10,478 --> 01:16:13,612
but there's only the one actor
that's the best for the role.

1777
01:16:13,656 --> 01:16:17,050
And then simultaneously,
I've been working
with Sasha, the DOP,

1778
01:16:17,094 --> 01:16:19,531
to, you know,
talk through the script,

1779
01:16:19,575 --> 01:16:21,751
and figure out the shot list,
and all that sort of thing.

1780
01:16:21,794 --> 01:16:23,274
I'm excited about it.
I'm happy about it.

1781
01:16:23,317 --> 01:16:25,319
I mean, I... This is what
I've been working towards.

1782
01:16:25,363 --> 01:16:27,234
Having something where
I can actually pull off

1783
01:16:27,278 --> 01:16:29,802
something on a...
like with a budget.

1784
01:16:29,846 --> 01:16:31,412
Hell, I've got David Scott
working on this movie,

1785
01:16:31,456 --> 01:16:33,501
who's like one
of the best effects people
in Toronto

1786
01:16:33,545 --> 01:16:35,852
for, like, prosthetics, and we're doing an animatronic.

1787
01:16:35,895 --> 01:16:39,812
Like these,
these are things I dream of
and I'm finally gonna get to do.

1788
01:16:39,856 --> 01:16:44,164
I'm looking now
at our full cast list,
minus one tiny role,

1789
01:16:44,208 --> 01:16:46,253
forLifechanger,

1790
01:16:46,297 --> 01:16:47,951
and we've got
all the roles filled,

1791
01:16:47,994 --> 01:16:52,520
so we can now start
setting up table reads,

1792
01:16:52,564 --> 01:16:54,435
and start rehearsing,
and it's get...

1793
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,568
Like, we're five weeks away
from shooting now.

1794
01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:57,961
It's really soon.

1795
01:16:58,004 --> 01:17:01,747
So what I wanna get out
of this meeting today

1796
01:17:01,791 --> 01:17:04,881
is put everything on the table,
anything you're concerned about.

1797
01:17:04,924 --> 01:17:07,100
McCONNELL: You know,
there are 148 scenes
in the film,

1798
01:17:07,144 --> 01:17:10,277
and a countless
number of shots.

1799
01:17:10,321 --> 01:17:13,759
And it's just... this is
gonna be the biggest thing
I think I've ever done.

1800
01:17:13,803 --> 01:17:16,544
136, 137, and 138
are all kind of...

1801
01:17:16,588 --> 01:17:18,808
-McCONNELL:
They're all together...
-Together and continuous.

1802
01:17:18,851 --> 01:17:22,115
-Yep, so we can shoot
the bathroom stuff for sure.
-Yep.

1803
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,291
I'm a little...
little stressed out right now

1804
01:17:24,335 --> 01:17:27,338
largely because we shoot
in less than two weeks

1805
01:17:27,381 --> 01:17:29,166
for Lifechanger,
and there's still a lot to do.

1806
01:17:29,209 --> 01:17:31,081
And we've got
the fight choreography going,

1807
01:17:31,124 --> 01:17:34,171
I'm gonna go look
at the makeup tests
on Thursday.

1808
01:17:34,214 --> 01:17:36,347
We're getting as much
rehearsal as we can done,

1809
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:39,176
which I wish it was more,
I mean, I always wish
it was more.

1810
01:17:39,219 --> 01:17:43,746
PATRICIA CHICA: The acting
process is so important
in my way of making films

1811
01:17:43,789 --> 01:17:48,664
that I would invest a lot
of energy and time rehearsing

1812
01:17:48,707 --> 01:17:52,493
and work-shopping the script
and the characters
with my actors.

1813
01:17:52,537 --> 01:17:54,800
Everything I've been
working toward for the past

1814
01:17:54,844 --> 01:17:58,978
couple decades in film,
since I was about 15, you know,

1815
01:17:59,022 --> 01:18:02,503
all those dreams
and everything
kind of cumulate with this.

1816
01:18:02,547 --> 01:18:04,505
All these people
are working right now

1817
01:18:04,549 --> 01:18:09,554
alongside me as a team
to recognize one vision

1818
01:18:09,597 --> 01:18:12,296
that came out of here
a couple years ago.

1819
01:18:12,339 --> 01:18:14,124
I'm doin' this.

1820
01:18:14,167 --> 01:18:15,603
This is a big move for me.

1821
01:18:15,647 --> 01:18:17,214
MAN: And action!

1822
01:18:17,257 --> 01:18:19,216
BARBARA CRAMPTON: Film and...

1823
01:18:19,259 --> 01:18:24,221
and telling a story reminds us who we are,

1824
01:18:24,264 --> 01:18:26,397
and that's never going away.

1825
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:29,269
Even the cavemen
were painting in their caves.

1826
01:18:29,313 --> 01:18:32,577
We've always loved
to tell stories

1827
01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:35,449
and always loved
to tell stories with images.

1828
01:18:35,493 --> 01:18:39,279
I think that's why
we created film, so we could
make the images move.

1829
01:18:39,323 --> 01:18:42,979
Film is storytelling and...
and we love a good story.

1830
01:18:43,022 --> 01:18:44,763
I've got like
a full effects body
in this trunk

1831
01:18:44,807 --> 01:18:47,418
of the...
my parent's car right now

1832
01:18:47,461 --> 01:18:49,159
that we're tryin' to cover up
in case somebody

1833
01:18:49,202 --> 01:18:51,117
sees it from a distance
and thinks it's real.

1834
01:18:51,161 --> 01:18:53,816
Um, so it's almost like
hiding a real dead body.

1835
01:18:53,859 --> 01:18:55,295
[CHUCKLES]

1836
01:18:55,339 --> 01:18:56,427
'Cause you don't want someone
to get the wrong idea,

1837
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:58,081
and call
the police, and be like,

1838
01:18:58,124 --> 01:18:59,691
"There's a body in the back
of that car in that garage."

1839
01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:01,084
Thank you.

1840
01:19:01,127 --> 01:19:02,302
We've done three
full days of production now.

1841
01:19:02,346 --> 01:19:04,565
It's weird, I still get
this surreal pang

1842
01:19:04,609 --> 01:19:08,918
when I'm looking at the slate,
clapping for the shots,

1843
01:19:08,961 --> 01:19:11,268
that actually
says"Lifechanger."

1844
01:19:11,311 --> 01:19:13,487
That... that the movie's
actually being made right now

1845
01:19:13,531 --> 01:19:15,925
and I'm actually shooting it.
[CHUCKLES]

1846
01:19:15,968 --> 01:19:17,927
It's, uh,
I guess it's a win.

1847
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:22,714
Just today, for example,
I got to shoot an
animatronic melt head.

1848
01:19:22,758 --> 01:19:24,455
I've never worked
with animatronics before.

1849
01:19:24,498 --> 01:19:26,892
It's kind of a childhood dream,
and I got to do it.

1850
01:19:26,936 --> 01:19:28,372
There's the first phase,
is always that

1851
01:19:28,415 --> 01:19:30,113
you're pushing this project,

1852
01:19:30,156 --> 01:19:31,810
and pushing it, and pushing it,

1853
01:19:31,854 --> 01:19:34,334
and you'd give
your life or your soul
for the thing to happen,

1854
01:19:34,378 --> 01:19:36,772
you would
sacrifice your firstborn

1855
01:19:36,815 --> 01:19:38,861
or do anything
to close that deal

1856
01:19:38,904 --> 01:19:41,907
and get the movie
to the screen.

1857
01:19:41,951 --> 01:19:43,866
And then, yeah, phase two,
if you're lucky,

1858
01:19:43,909 --> 01:19:46,825
is the point
where the project actually
starts to move

1859
01:19:46,869 --> 01:19:49,045
and you find suddenly
you're no longer having

1860
01:19:49,088 --> 01:19:50,437
to push it, and push it,
and push it,

1861
01:19:50,481 --> 01:19:52,265
and the thing
is actually moving along

1862
01:19:52,309 --> 01:19:56,095
under its own momentum
and you're having to run
to keep up with it.

1863
01:19:56,139 --> 01:19:58,837
Action.

1864
01:19:58,881 --> 01:20:00,360
Shake.

1865
01:20:00,404 --> 01:20:02,928
Tooth. Shake, tooth.

1866
01:20:02,972 --> 01:20:04,843
-Scream.
-[MAN SCREAMING]

1867
01:20:04,887 --> 01:20:06,497
First.

1868
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:07,672
Second.

1869
01:20:07,715 --> 01:20:09,108
[MAN GRUNTING]

1870
01:20:09,152 --> 01:20:11,328
When it comes to feature films,
and you're on set,

1871
01:20:11,371 --> 01:20:13,156
and you're doin' this scene
and you,

1872
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:16,550
you say to yourself,
"I've seen this scene
100 times," don't do it.

1873
01:20:16,594 --> 01:20:18,378
Do something different.

1874
01:20:18,422 --> 01:20:21,425
Find a way to take that scene,
because you can't
just throw it out,

1875
01:20:21,468 --> 01:20:23,340
and do something different
with it.

1876
01:20:23,383 --> 01:20:26,734
We have a few really,
really complicated days,

1877
01:20:26,778 --> 01:20:30,173
which I'm sure we'll get,
but holy crap, man.

1878
01:20:30,216 --> 01:20:33,872
WEXLER: From a filmmaking perspective, it's important

1879
01:20:33,916 --> 01:20:37,310
to be loose enough
that you can adapt

1880
01:20:37,354 --> 01:20:41,053
to the things that happen
through every stage
of production

1881
01:20:41,097 --> 01:20:43,490
and that you're prepared enough,

1882
01:20:43,534 --> 01:20:47,451
but you also
have an eye out
for happy coincidences.

1883
01:20:47,494 --> 01:20:49,670
DON MANCINI: It's an
organic thing,
filmmaking, and you...

1884
01:20:49,714 --> 01:20:53,631
you can't hold on
to your original plan
too tightly,

1885
01:20:53,674 --> 01:20:57,940
because I think,
I think that will fuck you over
in a whole other way.

1886
01:20:57,983 --> 01:21:00,725
So it's just...
it gives it this combination

1887
01:21:00,768 --> 01:21:03,510
of planning it out to a tee,

1888
01:21:03,554 --> 01:21:08,037
but being open
to other people suggesting,

1889
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,213
"Well, maybe
I have a better idea."

1890
01:21:10,256 --> 01:21:12,345
McCONNELL: We've just,
as of last night,

1891
01:21:12,389 --> 01:21:13,912
wrapped our 11th day
of production
on Lifechanger.

1892
01:21:13,956 --> 01:21:15,871
It's gone by really quick,

1893
01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:18,525
yet at the same time,
you know, each day
doesn't feel like it's quick.

1894
01:21:18,569 --> 01:21:20,832
You're always racing
the clock to try and get

1895
01:21:20,876 --> 01:21:22,965
your shots in, your day in,
and hope that, you know,

1896
01:21:23,008 --> 01:21:25,619
you've had enough time to make
the performance work,

1897
01:21:25,663 --> 01:21:26,925
which looking at the dailies,

1898
01:21:26,969 --> 01:21:29,101
I've got some editing
challenges ahead of me.

1899
01:21:29,145 --> 01:21:31,234
No matter how much in love
with the project you are,

1900
01:21:31,277 --> 01:21:34,498
phase three always arrives,
which is the point
on the project

1901
01:21:34,541 --> 01:21:36,848
when you'll do anything,
when you will give up your life,

1902
01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:39,938
your soul, your firstborn
just to have
nothing more to do with it.

1903
01:21:39,982 --> 01:21:43,811
To not have to
get up in the morning
and deal with it.

1904
01:21:43,855 --> 01:21:46,423
It's only the director,
maybe the producer also,

1905
01:21:46,466 --> 01:21:49,687
which are responsible
for the fact

1906
01:21:49,730 --> 01:21:51,689
that everything we are making,
anything we are making now

1907
01:21:51,732 --> 01:21:54,822
will end up as a movie,
as a story, as a...

1908
01:21:54,866 --> 01:21:57,651
comprehensive idea.

1909
01:21:57,695 --> 01:22:00,741
And that is a consuming process.

1910
01:22:00,785 --> 01:22:03,353
It all starts
with the concept, the script,

1911
01:22:03,396 --> 01:22:04,745
and putting in
the right amount
of pre-production work,

1912
01:22:04,789 --> 01:22:06,443
and the right casting
and all that.

1913
01:22:06,486 --> 01:22:07,923
All that's the backbone
of the movie,

1914
01:22:07,966 --> 01:22:09,620
but then
you get into production

1915
01:22:09,663 --> 01:22:12,405
and, you know,
you have to deal with people.

1916
01:22:12,449 --> 01:22:13,929
[CHUCKLES NERVOUSLY]
Lots and lots of people.

1917
01:22:13,972 --> 01:22:17,062
And in this case,
we're talking like
25 cast, 20 crew,

1918
01:22:17,106 --> 01:22:18,498
a whole bunch of extras.

1919
01:22:18,542 --> 01:22:20,283
Every single one of them's
a personality.

1920
01:22:20,326 --> 01:22:22,067
JESSICA CAMERON:
You have to make sure
when you're hiring crew

1921
01:22:22,111 --> 01:22:24,548
that you get crew
that are not only
the best that you can

1922
01:22:24,591 --> 01:22:26,550
for the budget
you're working within,

1923
01:22:26,593 --> 01:22:28,552
but that those
specific department heads

1924
01:22:28,595 --> 01:22:30,423
and the people
within those departments

1925
01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:33,774
all work well together
and with those certain types
of personalities.

1926
01:22:33,818 --> 01:22:35,776
ALEXANDER:
You know, I had three kids
before I made my first movie.

1927
01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:37,648
So I knew how to
navigate personalities,

1928
01:22:37,691 --> 01:22:41,043
I knew how to damage control
a lot of insane situations

1929
01:22:41,086 --> 01:22:42,958
that would crush
lesser mortals, I think.

1930
01:22:43,001 --> 01:22:44,394
GREGORY LAMBERSON: The director
is not just a person

1931
01:22:44,437 --> 01:22:46,352
who picks camera angles
or locations.

1932
01:22:46,396 --> 01:22:49,225
A director has to know
how to juggle

1933
01:22:49,268 --> 01:22:52,184
many different
personalities and egos,

1934
01:22:52,228 --> 01:22:54,317
and know how to work
with them,

1935
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,667
and not bully them
and get the best out of them,

1936
01:22:56,710 --> 01:22:58,408
and make them
wanna do their best.

1937
01:22:58,451 --> 01:23:00,758
They all have needs,
they all have wants,
they all have quirks,

1938
01:23:00,801 --> 01:23:02,803
they all have flaws,
they all have strengths.

1939
01:23:02,847 --> 01:23:05,023
If you have enough confidence
to hire somebody,

1940
01:23:05,067 --> 01:23:06,503
then you should have
the confidence to know

1941
01:23:06,546 --> 01:23:08,331
that they know
what they're doing.

1942
01:23:08,374 --> 01:23:12,335
Whether it's Jim Cameron
or Billy Friedkin
or Michael Bay

1943
01:23:12,378 --> 01:23:16,774
or Quentin Tarantino
or Robert Rodriguez,

1944
01:23:16,817 --> 01:23:21,039
these are people
who have a lot
of confidence in themselves,

1945
01:23:21,083 --> 01:23:23,607
and when they have confidence
in themselves,

1946
01:23:23,650 --> 01:23:28,742
they're much more likely
to listen to your suggestions

1947
01:23:28,786 --> 01:23:31,876
and think about it.
"Is this gonna
make my film better?"

1948
01:23:31,919 --> 01:23:34,487
I think the directors
with the most confidence,

1949
01:23:34,531 --> 01:23:36,968
which are usually the ones
that are the most successful,

1950
01:23:37,012 --> 01:23:39,536
are the ones
that are most likely
to listen to ideas...

1951
01:23:39,579 --> 01:23:41,320
Collaborate with actors.

1952
01:23:41,364 --> 01:23:44,149
...and collaborate
with actors and change things
in their movie

1953
01:23:44,193 --> 01:23:45,977
to make the movie better.

1954
01:23:46,021 --> 01:23:48,588
They can identify
a suggestion,

1955
01:23:48,632 --> 01:23:51,200
whether it comes from me
or a prop guy,

1956
01:23:51,243 --> 01:23:54,768
or it comes from
an actress or anybody,

1957
01:23:54,812 --> 01:23:57,423
"Oh, that's gonna
make my movie better.
Do it."

1958
01:23:57,467 --> 01:23:59,904
I think the only thing
you need to do

1959
01:23:59,947 --> 01:24:02,907
to survive telling stories
is to be yourself.

1960
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:04,343
That's the one thing.

1961
01:24:04,387 --> 01:24:06,867
I mean, how you leader
a group of people...

1962
01:24:06,911 --> 01:24:11,176
Everybody... Some of them
are hard, some of them are nice,

1963
01:24:11,220 --> 01:24:12,830
some of them
make a family,

1964
01:24:12,873 --> 01:24:14,919
some of them make an army,

1965
01:24:14,962 --> 01:24:16,877
some of them
like to be generals,

1966
01:24:16,921 --> 01:24:18,749
some of them like...
but the only thing

1967
01:24:18,792 --> 01:24:22,796
that people will respond to
is if it's you leading.

1968
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:24,320
You.

1969
01:24:24,363 --> 01:24:26,887
Not a character
you invented
a director should be.

1970
01:24:26,931 --> 01:24:28,193
It's you.

1971
01:24:28,237 --> 01:24:30,630
They see that you
are high on your own supply.

1972
01:24:30,674 --> 01:24:34,112
I get a lot of pushback
and it's like...

1973
01:24:34,156 --> 01:24:37,115
Sometimes you just
wanna say, "Do this."

1974
01:24:37,159 --> 01:24:40,249
You want a collaborative
atmosphere on set,
that's the ideal scenario.

1975
01:24:40,292 --> 01:24:42,903
I just hate hearing "No."
Let's just fuckin' try it.

1976
01:24:42,947 --> 01:24:44,775
I don't care
if you've got 20 years
behind you.

1977
01:24:44,818 --> 01:24:46,733
There's nothing to be
gained by going,

1978
01:24:46,777 --> 01:24:49,606
"Well, that didn't work
in the past" or being like,

1979
01:24:49,649 --> 01:24:53,305
"I've got all this experience,
so I know this."
Well, fuck that.

1980
01:24:53,349 --> 01:24:55,829
Steven Spielberg,
if you see E.T.,

1981
01:24:55,873 --> 01:24:59,616
notice that every camera angle
is about
this high off the ground.

1982
01:24:59,659 --> 01:25:01,879
That's how tall you are
when you're 12 years old.

1983
01:25:01,922 --> 01:25:04,273
The cumulative effect of
"you're one of the kids."

1984
01:25:04,316 --> 01:25:06,710
He made you one of the kids simply because

1985
01:25:06,753 --> 01:25:08,929
you're seeing
from where they were seeing.

1986
01:25:08,973 --> 01:25:12,150
You know, keys in your face.
That's what a director does.

1987
01:25:12,194 --> 01:25:14,935
It's not just pointing
the camera at the action.

1988
01:25:14,979 --> 01:25:16,676
All right?

1989
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,549
McCONNELL: I'm hoping that
the film does well

1990
01:25:19,592 --> 01:25:22,160
and that the end result of it
is worth all this effort,

1991
01:25:22,204 --> 01:25:24,031
because it's a lot of effort

1992
01:25:24,075 --> 01:25:25,424
and a lot of different people
working on it,
putting in that effort

1993
01:25:25,468 --> 01:25:27,557
to make it just incredible.

1994
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,254
The only thing
you really got going for you

1995
01:25:29,298 --> 01:25:31,082
in an independent film
is the acting.

1996
01:25:31,648 --> 01:25:32,866
Who is it?

1997
01:25:32,910 --> 01:25:34,651
HOLLAND: Good actors
are everything,

1998
01:25:34,694 --> 01:25:37,654
because finally for all the... for all the ego and everything,

1999
01:25:37,697 --> 01:25:40,091
it's about
who's in front of the camera.

2000
01:25:40,135 --> 01:25:41,832
This is what's
holding the audience.

2001
01:25:41,875 --> 01:25:46,184
If your actors will make
or break you,
casting is everything.

2002
01:25:46,228 --> 01:25:48,839
I cannot underline
that enough.

2003
01:25:48,882 --> 01:25:50,928
Directors should take
acting classes

2004
01:25:50,971 --> 01:25:53,104
to understand
the actor's process,

2005
01:25:53,148 --> 01:25:57,935
to give clues to an actor about
where you want them to go

2006
01:25:57,978 --> 01:25:59,893
in a particular scene.

2007
01:25:59,937 --> 01:26:03,070
Having people who can act,
you save... you save money,

2008
01:26:03,114 --> 01:26:06,987
you save...
If a guy blows a line,
that's a big take.

2009
01:26:07,031 --> 01:26:09,860
That means that whole...
that scene's gotta
be shot over again.

2010
01:26:09,903 --> 01:26:11,514
Take.

2011
01:26:11,557 --> 01:26:13,037
Action!

2012
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,735
I have one week left
of shootingLifechanger.

2013
01:26:15,779 --> 01:26:19,217
We've shot 15 days already,
there's five days left to go,

2014
01:26:19,261 --> 01:26:21,828
one really big week
ahead of us,

2015
01:26:21,872 --> 01:26:24,614
including the first sex scene
I've ever shot,

2016
01:26:24,657 --> 01:26:28,313
a serious fight scene
with breakaway glass,
breakaway tables,

2017
01:26:28,357 --> 01:26:31,969
and a whole bunch
of effects stuff
and prosthetics,

2018
01:26:32,012 --> 01:26:33,797
and a really big,

2019
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,017
fully prosthetic
pod effect thing
we're doing on Wednesday.

2020
01:26:37,061 --> 01:26:39,629
-Awesome. Here we go.
-MAN: And set.

2021
01:26:39,672 --> 01:26:41,239
McCONNELL: Action!

2022
01:26:41,283 --> 01:26:43,154
But I think we're getting
really good stuff,

2023
01:26:43,198 --> 01:26:45,896
and I'm... I'm proud
that I've been able
to get to this point,

2024
01:26:45,939 --> 01:26:49,682
and I do feel like
I've got a future in this.

2025
01:26:57,124 --> 01:26:59,649
I'm about to start
watchingLifechanger

2026
01:26:59,692 --> 01:27:03,522
from front to back
as one complete, edited film
for the first time.

2027
01:27:03,566 --> 01:27:06,830
-There's a part of it.
-[WOMAN SPEAKING ON SCREEN]

2028
01:27:06,873 --> 01:27:09,528
Uh, yeah,
I think it's pretty good.

2029
01:27:09,572 --> 01:27:12,618
Tomorrow morning,
I've booked the Carlton Cinema

2030
01:27:12,662 --> 01:27:15,491
to test screen
an earlier cut of Lifechanger.

2031
01:27:15,534 --> 01:27:18,233
I've got a survey
for people to either fill out

2032
01:27:18,276 --> 01:27:20,278
in person
while there or online,

2033
01:27:20,322 --> 01:27:22,019
there's a link
at the top of the sheet,

2034
01:27:22,062 --> 01:27:24,674
and then I've been collecting
people associated
with the project

2035
01:27:24,717 --> 01:27:26,632
and close friends'
opinions as well.

2036
01:27:26,676 --> 01:27:28,939
The testing process
is agonizing for me,

2037
01:27:28,982 --> 01:27:32,203
even when it's just showing
the film to my friends.

2038
01:27:32,247 --> 01:27:35,337
It's... it's horrible,
because first of all,

2039
01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:39,297
all of your mistakes
are there to be seen
and commented on,

2040
01:27:39,341 --> 01:27:41,343
and then,
very often what I discover

2041
01:27:41,386 --> 01:27:43,867
are the things that I thought
were problems
for people are not

2042
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:46,130
and the real slap in the face
are there...

2043
01:27:46,173 --> 01:27:50,047
there are things
that I've never even
thought twice about

2044
01:27:50,090 --> 01:27:52,354
that are... create huge
problems for people.

2045
01:27:52,397 --> 01:27:56,445
Sometimes you see filmmakers
that get really big,

2046
01:27:56,488 --> 01:28:00,971
and then they start making thesekind of bloated movies,

2047
01:28:01,014 --> 01:28:04,148
and you feel that somebody
stopped telling, you know,

2048
01:28:04,191 --> 01:28:05,889
somebody stopped
telling them "no,"

2049
01:28:05,932 --> 01:28:07,630
and they don't hear the word
"no" anymore,

2050
01:28:07,673 --> 01:28:10,328
and now they kind of,
kind of go on their own whims,

2051
01:28:10,372 --> 01:28:12,852
and people just go with them,
because they're that name.

2052
01:28:12,896 --> 01:28:14,767
I don't know
if that's healthy.

2053
01:28:14,811 --> 01:28:18,336
I actually do welcome
and encourage

2054
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:19,859
producers to give you notes.

2055
01:28:19,903 --> 01:28:21,948
It's nice to have a little
bit of resistance,

2056
01:28:21,992 --> 01:28:25,082
it's nice to have someone
kind of second-guess you.

2057
01:28:25,125 --> 01:28:27,824
When you hear something
that's consistent,

2058
01:28:27,867 --> 01:28:29,782
like, that's the most
important thing, right?

2059
01:28:29,826 --> 01:28:32,350
You might disagree
with something somebody says,

2060
01:28:32,394 --> 01:28:34,918
but if you hear
another person say it,

2061
01:28:34,961 --> 01:28:38,356
and you hear
another person say it,
and another person say it,

2062
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,620
whether or not you
agree with it or not,

2063
01:28:41,664 --> 01:28:45,885
you really need to understand
that an audience is

2064
01:28:45,929 --> 01:28:47,365
seeing that that way, though.

2065
01:28:47,409 --> 01:28:49,367
That's how something
is being perceived,

2066
01:28:49,411 --> 01:28:51,195
whether that was
your intention or not.

2067
01:28:51,238 --> 01:28:52,849
We did a test audience
and we got back

2068
01:28:52,892 --> 01:28:54,459
a bunch of notes from that.

2069
01:28:54,503 --> 01:28:56,722
We... I've got back
a bunch of notes
from people I trust

2070
01:28:56,766 --> 01:28:58,637
and now the main
core team of the film,

2071
01:28:58,681 --> 01:29:03,076
the producers, the distributors,they're all compiling
a set of notes.

2072
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,252
But the one thing
I've noticed is that

2073
01:29:05,296 --> 01:29:06,602
nobody is saying the same things

2074
01:29:07,254 --> 01:29:08,473
and me as the director,

2075
01:29:08,517 --> 01:29:11,389
I still have
to be beholden to the wishes

2076
01:29:11,433 --> 01:29:13,696
of the team, to an extent,

2077
01:29:13,739 --> 01:29:17,395
because they are the team

2078
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:18,831
or they are the investors,
you know?

2079
01:29:18,875 --> 01:29:20,529
They have a stake.

2080
01:29:20,572 --> 01:29:23,967
But I'm also,
I gotta go with my gut

2081
01:29:24,010 --> 01:29:27,187
and like I... I already
believe it's a good movie
the way it is.

2082
01:29:27,231 --> 01:29:28,928
I'm gonna make
more changes.

2083
01:29:28,972 --> 01:29:31,714
The problem I've got is like,
which changes do I make?

2084
01:29:31,757 --> 01:29:33,672
You have to make
everybody happy.

2085
01:29:33,716 --> 01:29:36,066
So find a way.

2086
01:29:36,109 --> 01:29:39,156
Hopefully, you know,
everyone understands

2087
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:43,813
the kind of film that it is,
or the nature of the cast

2088
01:29:43,856 --> 01:29:45,771
that was assembled.

2089
01:29:45,815 --> 01:29:47,686
And so, you know, it's...

2090
01:29:47,730 --> 01:29:52,169
You have to judge
every situation individually.

2091
01:29:52,212 --> 01:29:55,172
I've just picture-locked
Lifechanger
and I'm proud of it.

2092
01:29:55,215 --> 01:29:56,826
I think
it's a fuckin' good movie.

2093
01:29:56,869 --> 01:29:58,741
It feels like
it's a good movie.

2094
01:29:58,784 --> 01:30:00,177
I found out
yesterday morning that

2095
01:30:00,220 --> 01:30:03,398
Lifechanger'sworld premiere
is gonna be

2096
01:30:03,441 --> 01:30:04,834
at the Fantasia Film Festival,

2097
01:30:04,877 --> 01:30:07,053
which is a huge accomplishment
in my mind.

2098
01:30:07,097 --> 01:30:10,100
I've wanted to play
that festival forever.

2099
01:30:11,536 --> 01:30:13,103
Back at Fantasia.

2100
01:30:15,235 --> 01:30:17,237
With a film playing this time.

2101
01:30:20,197 --> 01:30:22,112
[INTENSE MUSIC PLAYING]

2102
01:30:22,155 --> 01:30:23,940
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

2103
01:30:23,983 --> 01:30:25,768
-If you look at everyone
in that picture...
-Yeah.

2104
01:30:25,811 --> 01:30:27,117
Wait till you get inside.

2105
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,903
-[LAUGHING]
-[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

2106
01:30:30,947 --> 01:30:33,950
McCONNELL: So, enjoy
the movie and if I break
your brain, don't sue me.

2107
01:30:33,993 --> 01:30:37,170
-Have a good one.
-[LAUGHTER]

2108
01:30:37,214 --> 01:30:41,044
-[CLOSING THEME SONG PLAYING]
-[CHEERING AND APPLAUSE]

2109
01:30:41,087 --> 01:30:42,872
Movies are like children.

2110
01:30:42,915 --> 01:30:45,222
Um, after the...

2111
01:30:45,265 --> 01:30:47,659
The birth is always
absolutely frantic, and insane,

2112
01:30:47,703 --> 01:30:50,836
and painful,
and confusing, and horrible,

2113
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,317
but then
they grow up and they,

2114
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,538
they go out into the world
and as they grow up,

2115
01:30:56,581 --> 01:30:58,496
they make their own friends.

2116
01:30:58,540 --> 01:31:00,150
People meet the movies

2117
01:31:00,193 --> 01:31:02,413
who don't meet you,
and come to love them

2118
01:31:02,457 --> 01:31:05,460
on their own,
on its own terms.

2119
01:31:35,490 --> 01:31:36,882
[CROWD APPLAUDING]

2120
01:31:36,926 --> 01:31:38,797
ANNOUNCER: Please welcome
Justin McConnell...

2121
01:31:38,841 --> 01:31:40,407
[ALL CHEERING]

2122
01:31:40,451 --> 01:31:41,974
...fromLifechanger.

2123
01:31:42,018 --> 01:31:44,803
-[SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
-[LAUGHTER]

2124
01:31:44,847 --> 01:31:46,326
This is fuckin' crazy.

2125
01:31:46,370 --> 01:31:48,067
ANNOUNCER:
Please welcome Mr. Johnson...

2126
01:31:48,111 --> 01:31:50,200
I've never played to audiences
this big,

2127
01:31:50,243 --> 01:31:52,768
or had reception like this,
or had my work

2128
01:31:52,811 --> 01:31:56,206
programmed or showcased
at a festival this important,

2129
01:31:56,249 --> 01:31:58,774
and it feels like
a really major
step in my career.

2130
01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:11,308
-Muchos gracias.
-[CHEERING]

2131
01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:23,755
[INAUDIBLE]

2132
01:32:39,858 --> 01:32:40,946
[INAUDIBLE]

2133
01:32:47,736 --> 01:32:49,999
McCONNELL:
It still blows my mind,
'cause I've been coming here

2134
01:32:50,042 --> 01:32:52,262
to see movies for, fuck...

2135
01:32:52,305 --> 01:32:55,221
2001. So it's 17 years.

2136
01:32:55,265 --> 01:32:56,788
In this case,
we are in the big...

2137
01:32:56,832 --> 01:32:59,356
one of the biggest theaters
and it sold out somehow,

2138
01:32:59,399 --> 01:33:00,749
which is fuckin' awesome.

2139
01:33:00,792 --> 01:33:02,925
Just means a lot to me,

2140
01:33:02,968 --> 01:33:05,667
'cause people
actually wanna see
the stuff I make,

2141
01:33:05,710 --> 01:33:07,669
which is part of the reason
you make it.

2142
01:33:07,712 --> 01:33:10,367
And it's been
a long road to here.

2143
01:33:10,410 --> 01:33:12,108
KUPLOWSKY: So this is a special screening.

2144
01:33:12,151 --> 01:33:15,285
The... You know,
I've known
the director of this film

2145
01:33:15,328 --> 01:33:18,070
for maybe more
than a decade at this point.

2146
01:33:18,114 --> 01:33:20,464
I've programmed
his short films.

2147
01:33:20,507 --> 01:33:24,120
I've worked together
on his... on some
of his feature films.

2148
01:33:24,163 --> 01:33:28,254
He's made...
This is not his first feature,

2149
01:33:28,298 --> 01:33:31,214
and... but this is
a really, really special movie

2150
01:33:31,257 --> 01:33:33,303
and I remember when he shared
the script with me,

2151
01:33:33,346 --> 01:33:35,914
I was so excited
just at the ambition

2152
01:33:35,958 --> 01:33:38,395
and the ideas he was packing
into the script

2153
01:33:38,438 --> 01:33:40,092
and so impressed
with what he pulled off.

2154
01:33:40,136 --> 01:33:42,660
And to see Justin
travel the world with this movie

2155
01:33:42,704 --> 01:33:44,270
-that's played many festivals...
-MAN: Oh, yeah.

2156
01:33:44,314 --> 01:33:45,750
-...to great acclaim.
-[AUDIENCE CHEERING]

2157
01:33:45,794 --> 01:33:47,665
And he really, really deserves
all of it,

2158
01:33:47,709 --> 01:33:49,841
so a big, big round of applause
for my friend...

2159
01:33:49,885 --> 01:33:51,321
[AUDIENCE CHEERING
AND APPLAUDING]

2160
01:33:51,364 --> 01:33:53,105
...writer/director,
Justin McConnell!

2161
01:33:54,454 --> 01:33:56,152
McCONNELL: I thank all of you
for coming out.

2162
01:33:56,195 --> 01:33:58,676
One thing
you should know about this,
it was shot in Toronto.

2163
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,199
Can you raise
your hand or stand up

2164
01:34:00,243 --> 01:34:01,984
if you were on the cast
and crew?

2165
01:34:02,027 --> 01:34:04,856
-There's a bunch of you
in the crowd.
-[CHEERING, APPLAUDING]

2166
01:34:04,900 --> 01:34:07,772
I wanna thank
all of you for coming out and doing a sold-out screening.

2167
01:34:07,816 --> 01:34:10,949
It's been over five years
since I started making
this documentary.

2168
01:34:10,993 --> 01:34:12,603
A lot has happened in the...
[CHUCKLES]

2169
01:34:12,647 --> 01:34:14,561
in those five years,
a lot has changed.

2170
01:34:14,605 --> 01:34:18,087
I was going to Cannes
every year since 2015,

2171
01:34:18,130 --> 01:34:20,045
taking meetings there.

2172
01:34:20,089 --> 01:34:23,875
I went to my first Berlin, European Film Market last year in February

2173
01:34:23,919 --> 01:34:25,137
and took some meetings there

2174
01:34:25,181 --> 01:34:26,965
and got to see how that market was different.

2175
01:34:27,009 --> 01:34:28,924
I've been going
to Frontieres every summer

2176
01:34:28,967 --> 01:34:30,839
and things are moving
forward, but one...

2177
01:34:30,882 --> 01:34:33,189
I've noticed
is with Lifechanger,

2178
01:34:33,232 --> 01:34:35,844
it has made the doors open
more and more.

2179
01:34:35,887 --> 01:34:37,584
People are willing
to approach me about

2180
01:34:37,628 --> 01:34:40,457
possible projects
or take meetings
about the stuff

2181
01:34:40,500 --> 01:34:42,024
I've got on the slate.

2182
01:34:42,067 --> 01:34:44,461
When it actually started
being distributed in the US,

2183
01:34:44,504 --> 01:34:46,985
it did fairly well,
but then Netflix picked it up

2184
01:34:47,029 --> 01:34:48,421
for a bunch of territories
and we even hit

2185
01:34:48,465 --> 01:34:50,946
number one trending
for a short period of time

2186
01:34:50,989 --> 01:34:53,078
with the film,
this tiny little movie.

2187
01:34:53,122 --> 01:34:54,471
It blows my mind.

2188
01:34:54,514 --> 01:34:56,734
I've learned most of all
that the thing that

2189
01:34:56,778 --> 01:35:00,738
I can't be as passive,
and I have to make things
happen for myself,

2190
01:35:00,782 --> 01:35:02,479
and bring in the right team

2191
01:35:02,522 --> 01:35:05,656
to help launch that,
collaboratively.

2192
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:09,268
Just listening to people,
and letting go of my ego
a little bit.

2193
01:35:09,312 --> 01:35:11,531
The future
is potentially bright

2194
01:35:11,575 --> 01:35:13,664
and full of lots of things

2195
01:35:13,708 --> 01:35:16,885
that I don't know
are coming yet.

2196
01:35:16,928 --> 01:35:18,756
I mean,
anything could fall apart,

2197
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,324
and given that
the film business,
the way it is, I fully expect

2198
01:35:21,367 --> 01:35:24,719
things to fall apart
or take longer
than they're going to take,

2199
01:35:24,762 --> 01:35:26,024
but I'm not gonna give up.

2200
01:35:26,068 --> 01:35:28,026
I look at my life
in sections sometimes.

2201
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:30,768
As I age, I get a tendency
to reflect, compartmentalize.

2202
01:35:30,812 --> 01:35:34,206
There was my life
before film was my mission
and my life after.

2203
01:35:34,250 --> 01:35:35,904
That's further broken down
into when I was just

2204
01:35:35,947 --> 01:35:38,297
toying with the craft,
learning
and getting my feet wet,

2205
01:35:38,341 --> 01:35:40,865
to when I got
really serious about it as the thing I was going to do,

2206
01:35:40,909 --> 01:35:42,954
to the marathon
that's felt like
the last decade or so

2207
01:35:42,998 --> 01:35:45,174
when I started seriously
making features.

2208
01:35:45,217 --> 01:35:48,133
Tons of missteps along the way, tons of deviations
from the path,

2209
01:35:48,177 --> 01:35:51,310
experimenting, trying things,
hoping something will stick,

2210
01:35:51,354 --> 01:35:54,009
and now withLifechanger,
it feels like the start
of a new section.

2211
01:35:54,052 --> 01:35:55,967
And whether I continue
toward my ultimate goal,

2212
01:35:56,011 --> 01:35:58,274
whatever that is,
or crash spectacularly

2213
01:35:58,317 --> 01:36:01,843
or just fade away
remains to be seen.

2214
01:36:01,886 --> 01:36:04,062
You may hate everything I do
and that's your right,

2215
01:36:04,106 --> 01:36:06,586
but it doesn't really matter,
because I'm doing it

2216
01:36:06,630 --> 01:36:09,676
and I've been doing it
for years and years now
without fully realizing it.

2217
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,114
I've been chasing a dream
so long,
it took me ages to notice

2218
01:36:12,157 --> 01:36:14,029
that I was already living it.

2219
01:36:14,072 --> 01:36:16,161
I don't think
there is a top to the ladder
when it comes to film.

2220
01:36:16,205 --> 01:36:19,991
There's just the ladder,
just the climb, endlessly,
rung to rung.

2221
01:36:20,035 --> 01:36:21,950
If a shark stops swimming,
it dies.

2222
01:36:21,993 --> 01:36:24,430
As a filmmaker, swimming is all there ever is,

2223
01:36:24,474 --> 01:36:25,910
forward
to whatever that brings.

2224
01:36:25,954 --> 01:36:27,346
You may fuck up
along the way,

2225
01:36:27,390 --> 01:36:29,261
you may never reach
the top of the business,

2226
01:36:29,305 --> 01:36:32,090
but as long
as you keep trying,
keep learning, keep striving,

2227
01:36:32,134 --> 01:36:33,613
-it has to be enough.
-[APPLAUSE]

2228
01:36:33,657 --> 01:36:35,137
Just survive.

2229
01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:36,834
The rest will come.

2230
01:36:47,845 --> 01:36:49,716
I always got cheated.
[CHUCKLES]

2231
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,893
I know I always should have
gotten more money,

2232
01:36:51,936 --> 01:36:54,286
I should have had
more time, I should...

2233
01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:59,291
but all in all, when you look
back over 60 years,

2234
01:36:59,335 --> 01:37:01,598
I figure I had a ball.

2235
01:37:01,641 --> 01:37:03,600
I really did, I enjoyed it.

2236
01:37:03,643 --> 01:37:07,299
To thine own self be true,
but if you want the Oscars,

2237
01:37:07,343 --> 01:37:10,999
and the mansion,
and the limos, and the drugs,

2238
01:37:11,042 --> 01:37:13,915
and hookers, and all that,
I think you have to go

2239
01:37:13,958 --> 01:37:15,917
to Los Angeles.

2240
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,006
And if you've got any talent,

2241
01:37:18,049 --> 01:37:20,356
and if you're driven
and obsessed by it,

2242
01:37:20,399 --> 01:37:22,184
you probably will
do all right.

2243
01:37:22,227 --> 01:37:25,100
And there are great people,
about 1/10th of 1%

2244
01:37:25,143 --> 01:37:28,886
of the movie industry
are the best people
in the world.

2245
01:37:28,930 --> 01:37:30,975
The rest are scum of the earth,

2246
01:37:31,019 --> 01:37:34,718
whether they're independent
or whether they are
in the mainstream, they are

2247
01:37:34,761 --> 01:37:36,154
scum of the earth.

2248
01:37:36,198 --> 01:37:37,852
So if you sign
a contract with them,

2249
01:37:37,895 --> 01:37:39,636
you have to assume in your head

2250
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:41,116
that the other guy... You may,

2251
01:37:41,159 --> 01:37:43,727
you may do
what the contract says.

2252
01:37:43,770 --> 01:37:45,511
But you have to assume
in the contract

2253
01:37:45,555 --> 01:37:48,775
that the other person
isn't going to do
what the contract says.

2254
01:37:48,819 --> 01:37:51,996
And make arrangements
for the worst-case scenario,

2255
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,433
so that you don't lose
your house and your business

2256
01:37:54,477 --> 01:37:57,219
and decide to blow
your fucking brains out.

2257
01:37:57,262 --> 01:37:59,264
That's good advice.

2258
01:37:59,308 --> 01:38:02,615
But if you want the golden ring,

2259
01:38:02,659 --> 01:38:05,053
go to the mainstream
in Hollywood,

2260
01:38:05,096 --> 01:38:06,968
which is where the projects
are green-lit.

2261
01:38:07,011 --> 01:38:08,970
And if you are happy

2262
01:38:09,013 --> 01:38:15,063
being a broken-down
old drunken filmmaker
like Uncle Lloyd here,

2263
01:38:15,106 --> 01:38:17,892
whose probably next move,
career-wise,

2264
01:38:17,935 --> 01:38:19,937
will be in a refrigerator carton

2265
01:38:19,981 --> 01:38:22,331
under the Route 95

2266
01:38:22,374 --> 01:38:24,376
with the other crack addicts,

2267
01:38:24,420 --> 01:38:26,378
then you become
an underground filmmaker,

2268
01:38:26,422 --> 01:38:28,467
which is basically
what I've always been.



