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- [Reporter] Dr. Brent was naughty,

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and he talked his chiropractic patients

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into being naughty with him.

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Each month, he built an insurance company

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for chiropractic work

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that he did not perform on his patients.

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These patients just sat at home

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when the insurance company
sent reimbursement checks

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to these patients,

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Brent had trained these patients
to bring the checks to him

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in his office,

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so he could split the payment with them.

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Next he trained another
chiropractor to do it for him

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and he moved off to California

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and that substitute chiropractor

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mailed Brent's payments to him.

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It was a perfect plan,

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except the FBI was watching.

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They put Brent in front of a
jury in Clearwater, Florida,

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where he was convicted of
healthcare fraud and mail fraud

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and sentenced to three years in prison.

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How would Brent recover from this?

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Brent Detelich served as CEO

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of stem cell Institute of America

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and it built a large national
network of chiropractors.

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He trained these chiropractors

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to be very creative.

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Instead of providing chiropractic services

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that they had received
training for in school.

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They should inject amniotic
stem cells into their patients

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from a bottle that his
company sold to them.

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A product called PaliGen Flow,

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they could make more money
than they ever dreamed

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of making as a chiropractor,

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but American stem cell
pioneer, Dr. Chris Centeno,

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tested this PaliGen flow
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in his lab,

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and found that it had no
living stem cells in it.

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So, he created a short expose

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that questioned whether this

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was actually stem cell fraud.

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The expose cause serious
problems for Brent,

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it revealed how Brent,

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who was convicted in federal court

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in Western PA teamed up with Jeff Hayes,

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who earlier was convicted in federal court

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in Northeastern PA.

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And together, they created huge ads

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in the chiropractor
publications for a webinar

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where the ex con duo Jeff and Brent

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would show how their docu series
called Stem Cells Unveiled

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would generate patients
looking for stem cells

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and how chiropractors
could join Brent's network

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at Stem Cell Institute of America.

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The attorney representing
Stem Cell Institute

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of America sent Dr.
Centeno, a demand letter,

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stating that Brent Detelich
was no longer the CEO

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of Stem Cell Institute of America.

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As of the day that expose
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and as for their docu series,

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Stem Cells Unveiled,

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Jeff Hayes simply changed its title

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to The Healing Miracle
the Truth About Stem Cells

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- And to propagate
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- So you're really using your body's own

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sort of defense system.

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- Not just take care of
injuries and diseases.

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- And things like Parkinson's, MS.

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- MS and Parkinson's and
autoimmune conditions.

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- [Reporter] Who was Dr. Centeno

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and why was he playing
the role of Sheriff?

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- Dr. Centeno he takes it upon
himself to call things out

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in the industry that we
find to be troublesome.

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- We have to police ourselves.

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There's too many of these things

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springing up right and left.

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- with clinicians that if
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don't have the background,
don't have the training,

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actually don't even have the understanding

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of the product that they're delivering.

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- There are doctors out there who

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are committing outright fraud.

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- [Reporter] Manufacturers
intentionally misclassify

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their product,

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saving money by avoiding safety trials.

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These drugs are promoted
by a giant network of

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social media influencers,

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who are paid undisclosed
kickbacks for their promotions.

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It's a vast network

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of natural medicine bloggers,
online stores, fake news,

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online summits and fake docu series.

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And the doctors participating
are complicit in what

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is arguably a racketeering scheme.

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- Before when we would
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healthy lifestyles or
supplements, that's okay.

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But when you're promoting things that

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aren't even approved by the FDA,

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and in fact the FDA
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That is an issue and
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- There are product manufacturers who

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are out there, who are
manufacturing products

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under dangerous conditions

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and hurting people.

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- Injecting all types of products

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that don't even contain stem cells.

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- Well, I just wanna know how

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something can be called stem cell therapy

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when it doesn't contain
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- Charging patients large amounts of money

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and just ripping them off.

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- My first horse I was
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bought him from bought
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and help break her

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fell in love.

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But I'm almost 70 years old.

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I wish I didn't have the pain.

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I was really interested in stem cells

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and had done a lot of research that, wow,

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this could be the answer for me.

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- When patients usually come

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to me for a consultation.

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They've already been to
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- And then after the child was born,

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they're able to save the placenta,

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process that and then that's

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where we get stem cells from,

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the alternative to adult stem cells.

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- I'm Jason Dragoo an orthopedic surgeon

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and a stem cell researcher

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from Stanford University.

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- My name is Dr. Mike Voight

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and I'm a professor of physical therapy

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at Belmont University
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and I also hold a professorship

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at Vanderbilt medical school.

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I teach in the orthopedic
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In addition to working
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which is my background.

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I also have clinical practice

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working at the Nashville Hip Institute.

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- I'm a veterinarian.

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I'm an equine veterinary
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I have a PhD as well.

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I'm an active equine orthopedic surgeon

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and we've been working for
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to work especially towards arthritis.

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- You look at the percentage
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to patients within the clinic
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The number one stem cell
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is amniotic fluid, amniotic tissue,

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amniotic cells, cord blood.

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Sometimes it's categorized
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these are all birth products.

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These are all products that
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and then are packaged as
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Well, here's the truth.

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The truth is at this
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if you were a physician and you went

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and you harvested this tissue,

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there is actually a significant
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growth factors that are
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And until we know that
plenty of good science,

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but then there's this other part,

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right and that is,

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well that's not a very clean environment.

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prepared to be injected into patients.

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essentially all of the
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They can't live through the processing

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and sterilization techniques

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that are required to
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that's ready for injection.

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of nine different
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like a back or musculoskeletal area.

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for example, repair a rotator cuff

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So we had nine products from
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and our goal was really to do two things.

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So our study shows that
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none of them have a
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both in Dr. Santana's lab and
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at least that their stem cell product.

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They may have been useful
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stem cells.

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from the amniotic stem cells.

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with very strong
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they're young stem cells
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- Now tissues so much more active.

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that there's not even a live cell,

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- [Reporter] In 1915,
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analyzed samples of a
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Clark Stanley's Snake Oil Liniment.

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The chemist found it did
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committing the same type of fraud

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that snake oil salesmen
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like amniotic stem cells,

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when chemists who test
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living stem cells in it?

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to sell us one of these off the shelf,

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amniotic fluid type products.

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was over 2 million stem
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in this little vial of fluid
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with saline and do stuff.

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And I didn't buy it at the start,

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but there was no it was one

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of those things after a little discussion,

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we're just going to agree to disagree.

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I took the vial to our
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and tested it.

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he was correct in one regard,

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there was 2.3 million cells in this vial

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to confront the salespeople about this,

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the only answer we got back was, well,

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we never said there was
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from the amniotic stem
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growth factors have this very short life

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when they're there.

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And so you can imagine that
if you prepare something

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that's gonna take care of some

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of the growth factors,

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they can't live through the process.

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And then it sits on the
shelf and then undergoes

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some temperature changes and by the end,

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there's essentially nothing left.

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- My study get an amnio would suggest

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that those growth factors are not present

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in the nine amnion products that I tested.

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- So that is the most
controversial in my opinion,

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the most controversial part

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of Regenerative Medicine.

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It's used the most,

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which has the very least data to suggest

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that it does anything.

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- [Reporter] When the FDA
finds a violative manufacturer,

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they send out warning letters
for the public, clinics,

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physicians, anyone who
will listen to them.

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The problem is,

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the audience isn't listening.

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How many FDA warning
letters have you read?

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- And we trickle it down
to the general population.

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They have no clue what's going on there.

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- I had the injections
and February of 2017.

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By June, I was back to
taking painkillers again.

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This is the bad one.

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They told me I needed hip replaced

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over two and a half years ago.

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I really felt like it
had made a difference

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in the beginning.

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Come on, where's your ball

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to look back on it and
talk with medical doctors

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who really understand these products.

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They said probably it was the
anti inflammatory qualities

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of the injection, that helped
me for a brief period of time.

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It wasn't the miracle that they touted,

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it might be.

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I'ma bust some water out.

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The seminars really hit
hard about this pain,

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free lifestyle and regrowing your joints.

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- They are told by everyone that you

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are absolutely a candidate
and it will cure your bone

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on bone arthritis.

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So we have to do a lot of education

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about what is appropriate and what is not.

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- They were also talking about

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how they were curing
diabetes, Alzheimer's Protocol

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when it gets right down to it.

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Wouldn't it be on the news?

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- A 70 year old patient who came

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to me after being treated
at one of these clinics,

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he paid $22,000 to get these stem cells

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which were not live stem cells injected.

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Three into his shoulder that
were done without guidance,

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three into his six into his neck six

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into his lower back,

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which were done by like
a retired GI doctor.

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Still in pain six weeks later comes

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to see me no one had ever

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ordered an MRI done an appropriate workup.

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And the guy had metastatic
bone cancer all over his body,

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not as a result of the treatment,

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but certainly he was
never gonna get better.

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He had a delay in the diagnosis

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'cause he wasn't seeing a
medical doctor who is trained

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to actually figure out what
was going on with them.

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Before considering
these treatment options.

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- The patients will eventually get to us

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but what really bothers
me in this process with

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ortho biologics is that
potentially six months a year

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or two years can elapse
by the time they end up

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on my doorstep,

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at which case maybe the changes

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that we could have fixed

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with the proper dosage the
proper administration biologics,

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now is a full blown
Orthopedic Surgery case.

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- There's no blood work, there's no MRIs,

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there's really not a lot of diagnosis.

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There's an awful lot of sales pitch.

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- [Chris] So here we have
a chiropractor who has gone

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to a chiropractic consultant David Singer.

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- This is Dr. David Sanger.

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I'm sending you this
video email to invite you

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to come and spend some
time was made to learn

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how to do stem cell from A to Z.

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- And Dr. Singer has a
training on basically how

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to improve your conversions
at the seminars,

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- I can show you how to present it

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to your patients and educate them.

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So eight out of 10 will be happy

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to be able to purchase.

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- And after his class
my conversion went up

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to 60, 70, 80%

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some days I'm even closing
90% of the attendees.

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- What you didn't hear
obviously is anything about who

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is a medically appropriate
candidate for these procedures.

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Obviously, some of the people
at the seminars and based

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on what we've seen,

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probably half would not be even
appropriate for the therapy,

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but she's closing 90% now.

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Again, this is more timeshare sales

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than it is actual medicine.

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- It people that are usually

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not classically trained
physicians that are

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offering these neonatal
birth products in a vial.

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- They don't have medical
directors in there.

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They typically use nurse practitioners

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or physician assistants that
work with chiropractors.

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- There's no safety and efficacy data

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that supports their use.

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There's no FDA approval around it.

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- Now, maybe down the road,

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there'll be a vial of stem cells

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from another person.

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But we're not there yet.

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If you can imagine that you're getting

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somebody else's cells and that's injected

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into your own body.

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Is there any dangers to that?

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Well, they might not be
cable compatible with ours.

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But what else?

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What about that, that genetic message?

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What about if this other donor had more

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of a chance because of
their genetic message

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to develop cancer,

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and your baseline chances of having that

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are much lower.

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Do we wanna take this
genetic message from cells

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that from another patient
and incorporate it into ours?

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Because that's what happens.

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There's this give and take
this cross communication

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with the cells that are injected

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into our own body.

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So could that be the future?

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Absolutely, yes.

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Are we there now?

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No.

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- [Announcer] You may be told stem cells,

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including those from fat,

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amniotic fluid or umbilical
cord like cord blood

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or Wharton's jelly, are
a miracle treatment.

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You may even hear they're FDA approved.

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That is not true.

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- [Reporter] The FDA
classifies human birth tissue

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stem cell products as drugs,

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requiring safety trials

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and pre market approval before human use.

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Beware, unapproved stem cell therapies

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have led to serious infections,

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blindness and death.

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The correct classification for
these drugs is what's known

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as a 351.

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It's a lengthy process
and costs lots of money

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to save time and money.

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Violative manufacturers deceive the public

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and the FDA by misclassifying
their stem cell products

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as a 361 with the FDA,

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what's a 361?

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For decades, the FDA has
allowed manufacturers

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to register birth tissue products as a 361

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when its purpose was to
provide structure or support,

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however,

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and this is important to
understand when it relies

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on cellular activity like stem cells.

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The FDA says it's a drug

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and must be classified as a 351

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and go through human safety trials

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and be fully reviewed by the FDA.

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This is confusing for the public and media

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and violative manufacturers
of stem cell products

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have taken advantage of that fact.

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- And those are things that patients need

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to look out for.

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If it is a allogeneic
product if it's coming

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from something other than you
and the manufacturer is saying

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that it is a stem cell product,

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that product needs to be approved

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before it can be put out onto the market

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- [Reporter] To lawfully
market these products

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an approved biologics license
application is needed.

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But the manufacturers are
selling their drugs without one.

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- Now, the fact that
it's out on the market

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without FDA enforcement is
another matter entirely.

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- [Reporter] So violative manufacturers

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misclassify their product,

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labeling their stem cell product as a 361

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instead of a 351 which allows
them to make money today.

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Rather than perform human safety

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and efficacy trials,

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- They told me their
success rate was above 80

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close to 90%.

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So I was under the
impression it was gonna work.

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- [Interviewer] What advice
do you have for someone

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so this doesn't happen to them?

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- Do not use FDA approved stem cells,

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they're not living.

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- [Interviewer] So wait,

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make sure they're using FDA approved?

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Is that what you're saying?

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- [Harold] No do not use FDA approved.

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- [Interviewer] Okay.

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- And I'm sorry to say it that way,

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but the FDA apparently
approved for the stem cells

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that I was being injected with.

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So these doctors made money off of me

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and did not,

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it did not work.

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- [Interviewer] So you're
under the impression

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then that the FDA has approved
product you're injected with?

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- I'm under that impression.

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I don't know that for a fact.

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- [Interviewer] Why are
you under that impression?

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- Because all things
that go into your body

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have to be approved by the FDA.

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That's food and drugs.

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That's what they do.

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- [Interviewer] What if I
told you that the injectates

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that you received did
not have FDA approval?

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- Well, then its illegal.

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Are you, they didn't have approval

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from the FDA to inject me with that?

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I didn't know that.

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- [Interviewer] You spent how much?

487
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- 14,000 on the stem cell
and chiropractic work

488
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and another 2,000 for the
the infrared belt that

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was supposed to,

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melt your fat.

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I was desperate.

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I took the money and I put it in there to,

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so I could get back to work.

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I still haven't worked since.

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Since that time.

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I got the impression this
was totally safe that there

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was no side effects.

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After I got my injection,

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it was less than a week
I started getting knots

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on the inside of my right knee.

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The registered nurse who had injected me,

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advised me to go to the
doctors and get a biopsy,

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went to the doctor.

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They refused to do the biopsy.

505
00:21:51,833 --> 00:21:54,083
Said let's treat it
with antibiotics first.

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We did the antibiotics.

507
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It actually started running down this vein

508
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and hurts like a bruise when you touch it.

509
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- So that right there.

510
00:22:04,541 --> 00:22:06,916
- (gasping) Right there's
hurt, yeah that hurts a lot.

511
00:22:06,916 --> 00:22:09,666
- Okay, there is the vein there.

512
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- It just, it's been 18 months

513
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since that just happened.

514
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And it got as big as a
golf ball about that big.

515
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- And that was within a week

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and that had never happened
before in your knee?

517
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- No.

518
00:22:21,791 --> 00:22:22,666
- Gotcha.

519
00:22:22,666 --> 00:22:24,958
Yeah, so right there is
where there's swelling

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in the joint.

521
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There's a Baker's cyst there,

522
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they probably seated an infection

523
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into the vein,

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00:22:31,583 --> 00:22:33,666
and there's veins all around here.

525
00:22:33,666 --> 00:22:34,916
And this particular one,

526
00:22:34,916 --> 00:22:37,666
all of it drains and comes together.

527
00:22:37,666 --> 00:22:39,750
This particular one got infected,

528
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:41,416
and then obviously you
took the antibiotics

529
00:22:41,416 --> 00:22:43,666
and the infection went away.

530
00:22:43,666 --> 00:22:46,083
That infection will harm the vein,

531
00:22:46,083 --> 00:22:48,500
meaning it will make the vein harder,

532
00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:50,500
because it's inflamed

533
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,750
and it scars down a little bit.

534
00:22:52,750 --> 00:22:55,291
So that's probably what
you've been feeling there.

535
00:22:55,291 --> 00:22:57,708
Whether it was the
product that was infected,

536
00:22:57,708 --> 00:23:00,416
or just poor technique, I don't know.

537
00:23:00,416 --> 00:23:02,958
- Stuff injected in me was
not approved by the FDA.

538
00:23:04,375 --> 00:23:05,333
I didn't know that.

539
00:23:06,916 --> 00:23:08,500
And there was no stem cells in,

540
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:11,708
or no living stem cells,

541
00:23:11,708 --> 00:23:14,750
Doug described to the,

542
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:18,583
the stuff that was injected
is not FDA approved.

543
00:23:18,583 --> 00:23:20,750
It's a registered tissue.

544
00:23:20,750 --> 00:23:23,916
So all that means is that the company

545
00:23:23,916 --> 00:23:27,583
that sells it goes online

546
00:23:27,583 --> 00:23:31,125
fills out a 45 minute
free registration form

547
00:23:31,125 --> 00:23:32,750
to say this is where we are

548
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:35,208
in case you want to come inspect us.

549
00:23:35,208 --> 00:23:36,041
It doesn't mean

550
00:23:36,041 --> 00:23:38,250
that FDA has looked at it at all.

551
00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:41,041
In fact, it could be,

552
00:23:41,041 --> 00:23:42,708
it could be a little place

553
00:23:42,708 --> 00:23:44,416
in a strip mall for all they know.

554
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,333
So it's not FDA approved.

555
00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:49,750
It's not FDA cleared.

556
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:53,250
It just is registered in a form that says

557
00:23:53,250 --> 00:23:54,166
this is where we live

558
00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:57,833
and this is what we're doing
if you wanna come take a look.

559
00:23:57,833 --> 00:23:59,333
So I can't and that's

560
00:23:59,333 --> 00:24:00,833
how we just have Liveyon,

561
00:24:00,833 --> 00:24:03,583
which is an umbilical cord
product that was contaminated,

562
00:24:03,583 --> 00:24:05,083
put 12 people in the hospital,

563
00:24:05,083 --> 00:24:06,791
- [Announcer] And your future.

564
00:24:08,916 --> 00:24:11,916
- Follow me, it's easy
to get lost around here.

565
00:24:11,916 --> 00:24:13,583
- I feel like regenerative medicine

566
00:24:13,583 --> 00:24:14,833
is my last option.

567
00:24:16,125 --> 00:24:18,791
Because if it's true I can't seem to heal,

568
00:24:18,791 --> 00:24:21,375
because my own cells aren't
young and healthy enough

569
00:24:21,375 --> 00:24:23,458
to do their job.

570
00:24:23,458 --> 00:24:24,833
- That's exactly right.

571
00:24:24,833 --> 00:24:26,125
And that's why the introduction

572
00:24:26,125 --> 00:24:29,541
of Liveyon's new live
cells back into your body

573
00:24:29,541 --> 00:24:32,250
is our newest scientific breakthrough.

574
00:24:32,250 --> 00:24:34,083
- The Regen Series.

575
00:24:34,083 --> 00:24:35,666
- It is our prize serum.

576
00:24:35,666 --> 00:24:37,250
- [Reporter] Recognize him?

577
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:38,750
That's Alan Gavick,

578
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:41,750
who was profiled in Jeff
Hayes and Brent Detelich

579
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:44,166
infomercial, the Healing Miracle.

580
00:24:45,458 --> 00:24:48,208
Maybe this presentation
could explain it better

581
00:24:48,208 --> 00:24:49,041
than I could.

582
00:24:50,416 --> 00:24:53,083
- [Announcer] What
happens is Liveyon's live,

583
00:24:53,083 --> 00:24:56,541
new, vibrant cells go to work immediately.

584
00:24:56,541 --> 00:24:58,500
- There's nothing truthful at all

585
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:00,125
about the process.

586
00:25:00,125 --> 00:25:03,875
By which this stuff is
manufactured, marketed, injected.

587
00:25:03,875 --> 00:25:06,416
- And now we're starting
to see the plaintiffs bar,

588
00:25:06,416 --> 00:25:08,250
develop in this area,

589
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:10,708
filing different suits
against the manufacturers of

590
00:25:10,708 --> 00:25:12,375
these allergenic products.

591
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:17,750
- That we represent six people,

592
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:21,958
all of whom received injections
of a contaminated substance

593
00:25:21,958 --> 00:25:22,916
in their spine.

594
00:25:22,916 --> 00:25:26,000
And they were all conned
into getting these injections

595
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,708
believing that this substance had,

596
00:25:28,708 --> 00:25:31,250
which contain millions
of living stem cells.

597
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:33,458
We've had it tested and it does not.

598
00:25:33,458 --> 00:25:35,250
- The product manufacturer is saying

599
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:36,875
it's a stem cell product

600
00:25:36,875 --> 00:25:39,541
when it doesn't have any stem cells in it.

601
00:25:39,541 --> 00:25:42,875
- We get 300,000 stem cells.

602
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:44,916
- It didn't contain any living stem cells,

603
00:25:44,916 --> 00:25:48,291
but it did contain a
bacteria that lives in the

604
00:25:48,291 --> 00:25:51,000
intestinal tract of humans and animals.

605
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,083
In many cases,

606
00:25:52,083 --> 00:25:55,208
they actually implied if not
represented that the substance

607
00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:56,958
was FDA approved.

608
00:25:56,958 --> 00:25:59,291
These treatments aren't
approved by the FDA for

609
00:25:59,291 --> 00:26:01,125
injection for orthopedic use.

610
00:26:01,125 --> 00:26:03,958
- [Announcer] From an
alternative medicinal offering

611
00:26:04,916 --> 00:26:09,083
to a medically accepted
FDA approved treatment.

612
00:26:09,083 --> 00:26:11,083
- The whole thing was gonna cost $18,000.

613
00:26:11,083 --> 00:26:12,458
It wasn't covered under insurance.

614
00:26:12,458 --> 00:26:14,375
They told me if I couldn't afford it,

615
00:26:14,375 --> 00:26:15,583
they had a financing plan

616
00:26:15,583 --> 00:26:16,750
their in house plan.

617
00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:18,833
I went to the second
procedure, felt like there

618
00:26:18,833 --> 00:26:21,583
was broken glass that
you had replaced my disk

619
00:26:21,583 --> 00:26:22,750
with broken glass and I tried

620
00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:25,208
to cancel the third stem cell procedure.

621
00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:28,083
The doctors told me your stem
cells were ordered last week,

622
00:26:28,083 --> 00:26:28,916
they're in the fridge,

623
00:26:28,916 --> 00:26:31,916
they're gonna die if you
don't get them this Wednesday,

624
00:26:31,916 --> 00:26:34,333
with amount of money I'd put out.

625
00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:35,666
I just said we'll go and get them done.

626
00:26:35,666 --> 00:26:37,916
- Now is where it really gets exciting.

627
00:26:39,250 --> 00:26:41,416
When the stem cells
begin to enter the body

628
00:26:43,208 --> 00:26:44,458
- [Announcer] Our umbilical cord derived

629
00:26:44,458 --> 00:26:47,000
adult mesenchymal stem cells are

630
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,541
independently tested to
assure adherence to the

631
00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:53,416
industry's highest standards.

632
00:26:53,416 --> 00:26:56,166
- Then my body instantly told me bad idea.

633
00:26:56,166 --> 00:26:58,958
I'm crawling on the table.

634
00:26:58,958 --> 00:27:01,750
Moaning, they put me back to sleep

635
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:04,416
gave me a epidural
immediately to kill the pain.

636
00:27:04,416 --> 00:27:08,541
I ended up losing 40
pounds in just two weeks.

637
00:27:08,541 --> 00:27:10,750
Just with the time I had
in bed I started Googling.

638
00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:12,000
I see the recall come up

639
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,458
from Liveyon, I called the
doctor asked him about it.

640
00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:16,291
He told me has nothing to worry about

641
00:27:17,291 --> 00:27:18,583
that if I wanted ease my mind

642
00:27:18,583 --> 00:27:21,208
that we would actually call Liveyon Rep.

643
00:27:21,208 --> 00:27:22,666
So we reached out to Liveyon rep

644
00:27:22,666 --> 00:27:24,541
on three way with the doctor.

645
00:27:24,541 --> 00:27:25,708
He assured me that,

646
00:27:27,083 --> 00:27:29,000
everything's fine with Liveyon,

647
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,750
I'm just having some pain back there.

648
00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:31,583
- As we mentioned,

649
00:27:31,583 --> 00:27:33,583
this is bacteria that is normally found

650
00:27:33,583 --> 00:27:34,708
in fecal matter,

651
00:27:34,708 --> 00:27:36,583
- I'd make it to the hospital.

652
00:27:36,583 --> 00:27:38,666
They checked me in and tell me,

653
00:27:38,666 --> 00:27:39,791
I've got E.coli

654
00:27:39,791 --> 00:27:41,166
in my bloodstream.

655
00:27:41,166 --> 00:27:44,416
And if I had waited another 24 to 48 hours

656
00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:45,750
that I would have died.

657
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:48,125
- [Reporter] The CDC identified
as of now 13 patients

658
00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:52,916
who got sick after getting
a stem cell injection.

659
00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:55,208
- Luckily, no patients died.

660
00:27:55,208 --> 00:27:57,583
- [Announcer] Ask your
doctor how you can stimulate

661
00:27:57,583 --> 00:27:59,541
the healing from within.

662
00:27:59,541 --> 00:28:03,375
- I have some two patents
on placental perfusion.

663
00:28:03,375 --> 00:28:07,666
So I learned how to recover stem cells

664
00:28:07,666 --> 00:28:10,375
from placenta the same way
you recover viable cells

665
00:28:10,375 --> 00:28:12,083
from human livers, human kidneys,

666
00:28:12,083 --> 00:28:14,125
which I did for a few years,

667
00:28:14,125 --> 00:28:16,916
back around 2003 to 2006.

668
00:28:17,916 --> 00:28:18,833
And I've been in the field

669
00:28:18,833 --> 00:28:22,333
of primary cell culture for since the 80s.

670
00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:26,666
- The company that actually
processed the stuff

671
00:28:26,666 --> 00:28:28,375
was called Gene Tech.

672
00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:30,833
- I got involved in Gene
Tech through a friend

673
00:28:30,833 --> 00:28:31,666
of a friend,

674
00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:33,750
and I offered to help them set up

675
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:38,750
a compliant system for making stem cells

676
00:28:38,916 --> 00:28:41,208
with for therapeutic use.

677
00:28:41,208 --> 00:28:42,916
They told me oh, we have a,

678
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:46,416
an order from this company Liveyon.

679
00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:49,500
And I said, well, an order for what,

680
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:51,541
and they sent me an invoice

681
00:28:51,541 --> 00:28:53,750
that said they were selling MSCs

682
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:56,041
for intra articular injection.

683
00:28:56,041 --> 00:28:57,333
And I said, well,

684
00:28:57,333 --> 00:29:01,416
we don't make MSCs for
intra articular injection.

685
00:29:01,416 --> 00:29:03,541
We're just getting started here okay

686
00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:07,458
and I don't even know basically
what you're calling an MSc

687
00:29:07,458 --> 00:29:10,250
but if you really want to
sell them something you can,

688
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:12,000
but you have to do it
for research use only

689
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,125
it can't be for human therapeutic use,

690
00:29:14,125 --> 00:29:16,666
because we don't have the
systems required to do

691
00:29:16,666 --> 00:29:18,375
that kinda work.

692
00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:19,833
- [Reporter] The CDC said,

693
00:29:19,833 --> 00:29:23,500
though Gene Tech and Liveyon
are registered with the FDA,

694
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:27,458
such registration is not
a form of FDA approval.

695
00:29:27,458 --> 00:29:30,833
FDA registration alone does
not demonstrate compliance

696
00:29:30,833 --> 00:29:33,375
of firms or their products with the law,

697
00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:35,833
- The FDA inspected and then warned

698
00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:38,416
of the California manufacturer Gene Tech

699
00:29:38,416 --> 00:29:40,791
for marketing's stem cell products.

700
00:29:40,791 --> 00:29:42,791
Without FDA approval.

701
00:29:42,791 --> 00:29:44,750
- That's at the end of June

702
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:47,125
that there's FDA inspection occurs.

703
00:29:47,125 --> 00:29:50,250
All of my clients received
their injections after this.

704
00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:53,458
The earliest received his injection.

705
00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:57,416
About six weeks after
the Gene Tech inspection.

706
00:29:57,416 --> 00:30:01,083
There were actually reports
of for patients in Houston

707
00:30:01,083 --> 00:30:04,208
who had E.Coli infections
following stem cells.

708
00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:05,625
And when I say reports,

709
00:30:05,625 --> 00:30:08,333
I mean, the doctors called Liveyon

710
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:10,208
and said we've got a problem.

711
00:30:10,208 --> 00:30:12,458
We've got four patients
in the hospital right now

712
00:30:12,458 --> 00:30:15,333
with E.Coli from your stem cells.

713
00:30:15,333 --> 00:30:18,541
That happened in on September the 17th.

714
00:30:18,541 --> 00:30:21,208
They didn't even ship the stem cells

715
00:30:21,208 --> 00:30:24,250
that Ron got until September the 24th.

716
00:30:24,250 --> 00:30:25,916
So they knew that they had a week's worth

717
00:30:25,916 --> 00:30:29,208
of knowledge that they had a
serious problem in Houston.

718
00:30:29,208 --> 00:30:31,041
They had people in the hospital,

719
00:30:31,041 --> 00:30:32,750
and yet they're still selling this stuff.

720
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:35,083
There was no was there a feedback loop?

721
00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:36,416
Yeah, there was a feedback loop.

722
00:30:36,416 --> 00:30:37,250
Did it work?

723
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:38,375
Well, by got the feedback.

724
00:30:38,375 --> 00:30:40,041
They just didn't act on it.

725
00:30:40,041 --> 00:30:41,083
- But I believe they did say

726
00:30:41,083 --> 00:30:43,583
that they had reached out to everyone

727
00:30:43,583 --> 00:30:45,958
who had potentially contaminated vials

728
00:30:45,958 --> 00:30:48,083
to recall it.

729
00:30:48,083 --> 00:30:50,250
But apparently that didn't happen.

730
00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:51,291
- They claimed to have done that.

731
00:30:51,291 --> 00:30:52,125
- Right.

732
00:30:52,125 --> 00:30:52,958
Right.

733
00:30:52,958 --> 00:30:53,916
Right.

734
00:30:53,916 --> 00:30:58,083
- [Interviewer] But then
they shipped it afterwards.

735
00:30:58,083 --> 00:30:59,083
- They shipped it afterwards,

736
00:30:59,083 --> 00:31:02,083
they shipped it after they
knew that they had a problem.

737
00:31:02,083 --> 00:31:03,583
- Couldn't get a hold of the doctors.

738
00:31:03,583 --> 00:31:04,708
About four days later,

739
00:31:04,708 --> 00:31:06,166
I actually got ahold of one doctor,

740
00:31:06,166 --> 00:31:08,166
he told me that he needed to get away.

741
00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:09,958
So he was in New York at the time,

742
00:31:09,958 --> 00:31:12,875
things were just too
stressful in Houston for him.

743
00:31:12,875 --> 00:31:15,166
And I'm here in dying in
bed just want answers.

744
00:31:15,166 --> 00:31:17,083
And they're nowhere to be found

745
00:31:17,083 --> 00:31:18,458
- When we first started learning

746
00:31:18,458 --> 00:31:21,375
about Liveyon and investigating who

747
00:31:21,375 --> 00:31:24,458
was running Liveyon, it
was interesting that none

748
00:31:24,458 --> 00:31:29,458
of the leadership had medical
degrees or even relevant PhDs

749
00:31:30,833 --> 00:31:32,208
that you would expect for

750
00:31:32,208 --> 00:31:35,250
someone running a stem cell company.

751
00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:36,166
- [Announcer] And you want to do with this

752
00:31:36,166 --> 00:31:39,416
is kinda like bringing
creativity and science together.

753
00:31:39,416 --> 00:31:41,958
We were able to have like cinematical.

754
00:31:43,083 --> 00:31:46,083
To a very dry industry to
kinda give it some life

755
00:31:46,083 --> 00:31:47,291
because that's what Liveyon

756
00:31:47,291 --> 00:31:49,250
is all about bringing life to people.

757
00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:52,416
- [Reporter] This is the CEO of Liveyon,

758
00:31:52,416 --> 00:31:55,625
John Kosolcharoen who at age 41,

759
00:31:55,625 --> 00:31:57,166
had this problem with the SEC,

760
00:31:58,208 --> 00:31:59,541
and at age 44,

761
00:31:59,541 --> 00:32:02,208
he was arrested for
healthcare fraud charged

762
00:32:02,208 --> 00:32:05,125
with paying kickbacks for
his work with the pharmacy.

763
00:32:05,125 --> 00:32:08,750
Here he is with Brent
Detelich and Jeff Hayes.

764
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:11,375
Brent Detelich shared this Facebook memory

765
00:32:11,375 --> 00:32:15,041
just after Gene Tech
failed its FDA inspection

766
00:32:15,041 --> 00:32:17,750
and two months before
Brian received his tainted

767
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:20,041
Liveyon stem cell injection

768
00:32:20,041 --> 00:32:22,083
that didn't have stem cells in it,

769
00:32:22,083 --> 00:32:24,541
but did have human fecal matter.

770
00:32:24,541 --> 00:32:25,500
Nuff said.

771
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:28,791
- John Kosolcharoen is a businessman

772
00:32:28,791 --> 00:32:30,875
who's had several brushes with the law.

773
00:32:30,875 --> 00:32:33,708
His chief of medical education,

774
00:32:33,708 --> 00:32:37,375
I believe is the title that Dr. Gavin has.

775
00:32:37,375 --> 00:32:39,625
Dr. Gavin is not a stem cell biologist

776
00:32:39,625 --> 00:32:41,791
but he's been in the field for some time.

777
00:32:41,791 --> 00:32:44,250
He's actually a former podiatrist.

778
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:47,666
- He surrendered his
license in 2007 after he

779
00:32:47,666 --> 00:32:49,541
was just sued for malpractice.

780
00:32:49,541 --> 00:32:53,666
- [Reporter] So Alan Gavin
has a problem being careful.

781
00:32:53,666 --> 00:32:55,291
Not a good weakness to have

782
00:32:55,291 --> 00:32:57,458
working for a healthcare manufacturer.

783
00:32:57,458 --> 00:33:00,583
- Interestingly, the scope
of a podiatrist practice

784
00:33:00,583 --> 00:33:02,000
ends at the ankle.

785
00:33:02,916 --> 00:33:06,666
And this guy's passed
himself off as an expert

786
00:33:06,666 --> 00:33:11,083
in stem cell biology and science,

787
00:33:11,083 --> 00:33:13,208
which is also true with the chiropractors

788
00:33:13,208 --> 00:33:14,041
that they're marketing

789
00:33:14,041 --> 00:33:16,041
to the chiropractors can't even legally

790
00:33:16,041 --> 00:33:17,375
inject the stuff they have

791
00:33:17,375 --> 00:33:19,916
to hire other people do it
yet they pass themselves

792
00:33:19,916 --> 00:33:22,958
off as experts in stem cell science.

793
00:33:22,958 --> 00:33:25,916
- He walks up and he hands
me a paper and says, Brian,

794
00:33:25,916 --> 00:33:29,583
by the way, there's been a
recall on Liveyon stem cells.

795
00:33:29,583 --> 00:33:31,166
And I mean, I'm drugged up,

796
00:33:31,166 --> 00:33:33,666
I've been antibiotics all day.

797
00:33:33,666 --> 00:33:35,416
I'm tired, I'm hurt.

798
00:33:35,416 --> 00:33:38,375
A lot of medications, he says.

799
00:33:38,375 --> 00:33:40,958
So what they're willing to do
is they're willing to give you

800
00:33:40,958 --> 00:33:42,291
some more stem cells.

801
00:33:42,291 --> 00:33:44,333
And I said, well, I don't
want any more stem cells.

802
00:33:44,333 --> 00:33:46,958
I would just like a refund of $18,000.

803
00:33:46,958 --> 00:33:48,708
He said, well, that's the thing Brian,

804
00:33:48,708 --> 00:33:51,625
Liveyon is willing to
give you new stem cells,

805
00:33:51,625 --> 00:33:53,333
the same 60 million that we gave you,

806
00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:56,375
but they're not willing to give refunds

807
00:33:56,375 --> 00:33:59,291
and that caught me that
then kind of let me know

808
00:33:59,291 --> 00:34:01,250
who I was dealing with.

809
00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:03,250
And what was going on there.

810
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:05,083
- I've seen other similar cases too.

811
00:34:05,083 --> 00:34:09,250
I've spoken with a patient in Arizona,

812
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:12,208
who was given six monthly injections

813
00:34:12,208 --> 00:34:15,666
of a allergenic product there.

814
00:34:15,666 --> 00:34:19,333
And as a result he contracted conditions

815
00:34:19,333 --> 00:34:22,708
that were similar to lupus,

816
00:34:22,708 --> 00:34:24,750
and to myelofibrosis,

817
00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:25,791
which only went away

818
00:34:25,791 --> 00:34:28,666
after he stopped receiving the injections.

819
00:34:28,666 --> 00:34:31,083
The concern now with that patient is

820
00:34:31,083 --> 00:34:34,000
that he has mad cow disease.

821
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,916
- It was when I found this
article by Dr. Centeno,

822
00:34:36,916 --> 00:34:40,083
and it was called the
Amniotic Cord Bait and Switch.

823
00:34:40,083 --> 00:34:43,166
And I said and I had
just asked my husband,

824
00:34:43,166 --> 00:34:44,375
maybe a few weeks earlier,

825
00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:46,458
I can't figure out why these stem cells

826
00:34:46,458 --> 00:34:47,500
aren't doing anything for us.

827
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,250
So we asked them, what is
the name of your product?

828
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:51,583
And does it contain living stem cells?

829
00:34:51,583 --> 00:34:53,083
And they said yes, it does.

830
00:34:53,083 --> 00:34:56,041
And then we presented
Dr. Centono's article

831
00:34:56,041 --> 00:34:59,416
and they had some choice words
to say about Dr. Centeno,

832
00:34:59,416 --> 00:35:00,916
which were really know,

833
00:35:00,916 --> 00:35:02,916
for doctors very unprofessional.

834
00:35:02,916 --> 00:35:05,166
- It's been about seven
days in the hospital.

835
00:35:06,458 --> 00:35:09,375
Got out, and then while
I was in the hospital,

836
00:35:09,375 --> 00:35:10,666
they put a picc line in me.

837
00:35:10,666 --> 00:35:12,416
So for four months after that

838
00:35:12,416 --> 00:35:16,000
I was taking antibiotics an
hour a day through my picc line.

839
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,916
- Some of them had to
have surgery to have the

840
00:35:17,916 --> 00:35:20,208
infection literally
cut out of their spine.

841
00:35:20,208 --> 00:35:22,083
- We were sick for months,

842
00:35:22,083 --> 00:35:22,916
fighting it off.

843
00:35:22,916 --> 00:35:25,875
- And be on tells the doctor
if they ask you questions

844
00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:27,958
about the science just change the subject.

845
00:35:32,583 --> 00:35:35,166
- He said, does this product contain

846
00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:36,916
actually living stem cells?

847
00:35:36,916 --> 00:35:38,000
And he said, well,

848
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,666
it's a product that it's more

849
00:35:39,666 --> 00:35:41,166
of a perception based product

850
00:35:41,166 --> 00:35:42,958
than a product based in reality.

851
00:35:42,958 --> 00:35:44,583
- That's what's driving all of this.

852
00:35:44,583 --> 00:35:46,541
There's a huge volume of money.

853
00:35:46,541 --> 00:35:48,833
- He was telling us the whole procedure.

854
00:35:48,833 --> 00:35:49,833
- Exactly how they did it.

855
00:35:49,833 --> 00:35:51,416
- Exactly how they did
it how they did it to us.

856
00:35:51,416 --> 00:35:53,041
I mean, which was like aha,

857
00:35:53,041 --> 00:35:54,958
I was an aha moment if you will,

858
00:35:54,958 --> 00:35:57,666
when I heard him say that, it was like,

859
00:35:57,666 --> 00:36:00,416
that feeling you get when
you go down a roller coaster.

860
00:36:00,416 --> 00:36:02,375
And your stomach just drops.

861
00:36:02,375 --> 00:36:04,041
That was the feeling.

862
00:36:04,041 --> 00:36:05,916
I spent all that money.

863
00:36:05,916 --> 00:36:07,333
I spent.

864
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:09,541
I led my dad down that road.

865
00:36:11,666 --> 00:36:16,208
My wife, it was a hard pill to swallow.

866
00:36:16,208 --> 00:36:21,208
And it just broke my heart
that these people are

867
00:36:22,291 --> 00:36:24,625
so eager to gain money
that they don't care

868
00:36:24,625 --> 00:36:26,125
about people's lives.

869
00:36:26,125 --> 00:36:29,166
- There's a special place
in hell for these people.

870
00:36:29,166 --> 00:36:30,250
- Before all this,

871
00:36:30,250 --> 00:36:34,208
I mean, I did well financially four cars,

872
00:36:34,208 --> 00:36:36,125
just moved into our dream home,

873
00:36:36,125 --> 00:36:40,166
had a wedding on the way
ended up losing all that.

874
00:36:40,166 --> 00:36:42,125
- Kristin, and I met with a former

875
00:36:42,125 --> 00:36:46,125
Liveyon sales representative who,

876
00:36:46,125 --> 00:36:49,250
real early in the case
who said you guys need

877
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,833
to understand you're dealing with a smash

878
00:36:51,833 --> 00:36:53,583
and grab company.

879
00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:56,125
I mean, their whole MO
is to get the money,

880
00:36:56,125 --> 00:36:58,583
get as much money as I can and get out

881
00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:01,458
of dodge before the FDA
figures out what they're doing.

882
00:37:01,458 --> 00:37:03,416
And that's apparently what's happening.

883
00:37:03,416 --> 00:37:07,083
- Everything is about to change
for Regenerative Medicine.

884
00:37:08,291 --> 00:37:10,041
- [Reporter] After Liveyon's problem,

885
00:37:10,041 --> 00:37:13,166
they came out with a new
product called Liveyon Pure.

886
00:37:13,166 --> 00:37:16,083
- [Announcer] More pure in every aspect.

887
00:37:16,083 --> 00:37:19,083
- Dr. Centeno blog that
it's pure all right,

888
00:37:19,083 --> 00:37:22,458
so pure that testing performed
at the university lab

889
00:37:22,458 --> 00:37:26,500
at CSU showed it has no living stem cells.

890
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,250
And the scientists there,

891
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:31,333
compared it to bone
marrow concentrate from 56

892
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:34,083
and 73 year old males and 55

893
00:37:34,083 --> 00:37:37,208
and 64 year old females that you see

894
00:37:37,208 --> 00:37:38,208
on the right,

895
00:37:38,208 --> 00:37:40,916
where Liveyon Pure is on the left.

896
00:37:40,916 --> 00:37:44,583
Tests at Dr. Centeno's
lab got the same results.

897
00:37:44,583 --> 00:37:46,916
No living stem cells,

898
00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:50,083
- [Announcer] We are confident
in raising the bar yet again.

899
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,375
Not only just for ourselves,

900
00:37:53,375 --> 00:37:55,708
but for the entire industry,

901
00:37:55,708 --> 00:37:57,375
keeping us all accountable

902
00:37:57,375 --> 00:37:58,750
to what matters most

903
00:37:59,833 --> 00:38:01,833
safety and efficacy.

904
00:38:01,833 --> 00:38:03,750
- [Reporter] Shortly
after this commercial,

905
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:08,083
the FDA inspected Liveyon in May 2019,

906
00:38:08,083 --> 00:38:12,291
and documented deficient
donor eligibility practices,

907
00:38:12,291 --> 00:38:16,333
such as failing to screen
donors' relevant medical records

908
00:38:16,333 --> 00:38:19,833
for risk factors for
communicable diseases.

909
00:38:19,833 --> 00:38:21,750
Just to be clear,

910
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:26,750
communicable diseases are
things like HIV, MRSA,

911
00:38:27,041 --> 00:38:29,375
sexually transmitted diseases,

912
00:38:29,375 --> 00:38:34,375
E. Coli, hepatitis A
or B, and tuberculosis.

913
00:38:34,791 --> 00:38:37,416
All this happened after
their last outbreak

914
00:38:37,416 --> 00:38:39,250
using Gene Tech's product.

915
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:42,750
This is for their new
Liveyon Pure product.

916
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,416
- [Announcer] This has
always been about science,

917
00:38:45,416 --> 00:38:50,375
and Liveyon is in the
business of better science.

918
00:38:50,375 --> 00:38:54,000
The FDA inspected Liveyon in May 2019,

919
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,750
and found these products
are regulated as drugs

920
00:38:56,750 --> 00:39:01,458
and biological products to
lawfully market these products,

921
00:39:01,458 --> 00:39:05,166
an approved biologics
license application is needed

922
00:39:05,166 --> 00:39:08,125
and may be used in humans
in the development stage

923
00:39:08,125 --> 00:39:12,625
only when an IND application is in effect.

924
00:39:12,625 --> 00:39:16,166
However, no such licenses or INDs

925
00:39:16,166 --> 00:39:21,166
are in effect for Pure or
Pure Pro marketed by Liveyon.

926
00:39:21,708 --> 00:39:25,750
This CDC report explains
how umbilical cord blood

927
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:29,000
cannot be decontaminated after collection

928
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,916
because there are currently
no validated processes

929
00:39:31,916 --> 00:39:33,583
for sterilization.

930
00:39:33,583 --> 00:39:36,125
So, manufacture of derived products

931
00:39:36,125 --> 00:39:39,083
must be highly controlled
to prevent distribution

932
00:39:39,083 --> 00:39:41,041
of contaminated products.

933
00:39:41,041 --> 00:39:46,041
- We have gone from the
academic into the real now okay,

934
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:49,666
and the issues with
the allogeneic products

935
00:39:49,666 --> 00:39:52,000
have become very, very real.

936
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,083
And it's not only an issue
of patients being ripped off

937
00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:58,625
by having received stem cell products

938
00:39:58,625 --> 00:40:01,250
that don't have any themselves in it.

939
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:03,708
But at the same time the
patients have paid 5,0000,

940
00:40:03,708 --> 00:40:08,083
7,500, $10,000 for those injections,

941
00:40:08,083 --> 00:40:11,083
which oftentimes take place
at a chiropractor's office.

942
00:40:11,083 --> 00:40:13,291
Now we have people being actually hurt.

943
00:40:13,291 --> 00:40:17,875
And now we start seeing why
we need an agency like the FDA

944
00:40:17,875 --> 00:40:18,833
to be involved,

945
00:40:18,833 --> 00:40:22,041
especially when we're talking
about the manufacturing

946
00:40:22,041 --> 00:40:25,458
and mass distributing of
medical products that rely

947
00:40:25,458 --> 00:40:27,083
on cellular activity,

948
00:40:27,083 --> 00:40:29,833
potentially from donors
who weren't eligible

949
00:40:29,833 --> 00:40:31,916
to be donors for whatever reason,

950
00:40:31,916 --> 00:40:35,166
- Birth tissue derived stem
cells aren't the only products

951
00:40:35,166 --> 00:40:37,125
that violate FDA rules.

952
00:40:37,125 --> 00:40:39,125
- There have been a couple big players

953
00:40:39,125 --> 00:40:40,416
that have really manipulated

954
00:40:40,416 --> 00:40:42,791
the public's perception of adipose

955
00:40:42,791 --> 00:40:45,000
and probably tainted all
of Regenerative Medicine

956
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
in the process.

957
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,166
- US Stem Cell Clinics
chief science officer

958
00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:50,583
was Kristin Comella.

959
00:40:50,583 --> 00:40:52,625
She was the face of the organization

960
00:40:52,625 --> 00:40:54,083
and under her leadership,

961
00:40:54,083 --> 00:40:57,125
US stem cell train 700 Physicians

962
00:40:57,125 --> 00:40:59,750
and created the largest
network of physicians

963
00:40:59,750 --> 00:41:02,250
in regenerative medicine in the world.

964
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:06,083
The FDA then brought the case against her.

965
00:41:06,083 --> 00:41:07,083
- [Reporter] And the Federal Court

966
00:41:07,083 --> 00:41:10,583
issued a decision holding
the US Stem Cell Clinics

967
00:41:10,583 --> 00:41:15,125
and owner adulterated and
misbranded stem cell products

968
00:41:15,125 --> 00:41:17,000
in violation of the law.

969
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,833
- Does this seem to be
something where the FDA

970
00:41:18,833 --> 00:41:21,083
is kind of playing the arbiter?

971
00:41:21,083 --> 00:41:23,916
- [Reporter] Even prior to
and during the court battle,

972
00:41:23,916 --> 00:41:26,083
Kristin received tremendous support

973
00:41:26,083 --> 00:41:29,166
at natural medicine events in docu series

974
00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:32,291
and with alternative news
networks like Info Wars,

975
00:41:32,291 --> 00:41:34,833
where she was defended and even promoted

976
00:41:34,833 --> 00:41:37,166
as a trusted stem cell expert

977
00:41:37,166 --> 00:41:41,291
even though the FDA had
labeled her a bad actor.

978
00:41:41,291 --> 00:41:43,416
- I am joined by Dr. Kristin Comella.

979
00:41:43,416 --> 00:41:47,583
- Who is the top stem cell
science Just in America,

980
00:41:47,583 --> 00:41:50,083
- World renowned actually at
this point stem cell expert.

981
00:41:50,083 --> 00:41:53,375
- Is and she is number one on the Academy

982
00:41:53,375 --> 00:41:57,416
of regenerative practices
list of stem cell innovators.

983
00:41:57,416 --> 00:41:59,708
- Had the pleasure of meeting
her at Red Phase last year.

984
00:41:59,708 --> 00:42:01,500
- I've been dosing myself with stem cells

985
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:02,750
for about three years.

986
00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:05,208
I typically dose every six to 12 months.

987
00:42:05,208 --> 00:42:08,833
- Dr. Kristin, what do you
wanna tell our people today,

988
00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:11,208
this is your voice, faith in freedom.

989
00:42:11,208 --> 00:42:14,791
And they're very interested
on how this works.

990
00:42:14,791 --> 00:42:17,375
- So it was actually Palm Sunday,

991
00:42:17,375 --> 00:42:20,916
a week before Easter
that I received notice

992
00:42:20,916 --> 00:42:24,958
from my attorneys that the
United States of America was

993
00:42:24,958 --> 00:42:28,333
interested in filing a
lawsuit against me personally,

994
00:42:28,333 --> 00:42:30,750
as well as the clinic and the company.

995
00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:33,250
We did injections on the
interior vaginal wall,

996
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:35,750
men I'm a female in her 40s you start

997
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:37,666
to have issues with lubrication,

998
00:42:37,666 --> 00:42:40,333
and then you start to
have issues with orgasms.

999
00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:43,500
And so by introducing the
stem cells that can help

1000
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:47,250
to improve the blood supply
there, with more blood supply,

1001
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:51,250
this means better orgasms as
well as better lubrication.

1002
00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:54,125
And so this is a very natural approach

1003
00:42:54,125 --> 00:42:56,250
to helping improve your
sex life and I'm happy

1004
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:57,291
to report that it worked

1005
00:42:57,291 --> 00:43:00,125
and I think my husband
would report the same.

1006
00:43:00,125 --> 00:43:01,333
- Right, I mean its so exciting.

1007
00:43:01,333 --> 00:43:03,916
- Regrettably, I didn't
do my due diligence

1008
00:43:03,916 --> 00:43:05,625
and study it more carefully.

1009
00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:07,625
- Hi, this is Dr. Mercola,

1010
00:43:07,625 --> 00:43:09,000
helping you take control of your health

1011
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,333
and today we are joined by an expert.

1012
00:43:12,333 --> 00:43:14,458
Soon to be Dr. Kristin Comella.

1013
00:43:14,458 --> 00:43:15,916
- [Reporter] Kristin was a student

1014
00:43:15,916 --> 00:43:18,416
at Florida International University, FIU.

1015
00:43:19,708 --> 00:43:20,875
We verified with FIU

1016
00:43:21,791 --> 00:43:25,000
that she became a PhD candidate,

1017
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,041
meaning she completed the
coursework part of the program,

1018
00:43:28,041 --> 00:43:30,791
but she still needed to
do the research part,

1019
00:43:30,791 --> 00:43:33,583
her dissertation and for her field.

1020
00:43:33,583 --> 00:43:35,750
That's the part that demonstrates how

1021
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:38,666
to research at the professional level.

1022
00:43:38,666 --> 00:43:42,875
She never completed her PhD at FIU.

1023
00:43:42,875 --> 00:43:46,166
- I had an opportunity to transfer again

1024
00:43:46,166 --> 00:43:49,083
and move to a university in Panama.

1025
00:43:49,083 --> 00:43:52,416
Now, anyone who has
followed the space will know

1026
00:43:52,416 --> 00:43:54,916
that a lot of the stem cell treatments

1027
00:43:54,916 --> 00:43:56,833
that have been done clinically,

1028
00:43:56,833 --> 00:44:00,875
to this day have been done
outside of the United States.

1029
00:44:00,875 --> 00:44:02,916
- [Reporter] FIU was legit.

1030
00:44:02,916 --> 00:44:05,625
It has a bookstore with FIU clothing,

1031
00:44:05,625 --> 00:44:10,166
including hats, sweatshirts,
cool alumni, mom mugs,

1032
00:44:10,166 --> 00:44:12,916
and it even has a bus with its name on it.

1033
00:44:12,916 --> 00:44:15,375
They have funky sculpture stuff, too.

1034
00:44:15,375 --> 00:44:18,041
It has a huge, beautiful campus.

1035
00:44:18,041 --> 00:44:20,250
It has all the stuff we come to expect

1036
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:23,958
in a quality American University today.

1037
00:44:23,958 --> 00:44:26,083
Why would she leave this?

1038
00:44:26,083 --> 00:44:28,583
- So being able to work
with a team in Panama

1039
00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:30,166
was truly an honor.

1040
00:44:30,166 --> 00:44:32,250
- [Announcer] The AVM is now departing,

1041
00:44:32,250 --> 00:44:34,125
please hold on to the handrail.

1042
00:44:34,125 --> 00:44:35,916
- [Reporter] So we decided to go to this

1043
00:44:35,916 --> 00:44:39,458
Panama College of cell
sciences and check it out.

1044
00:44:44,916 --> 00:44:48,291
Panama City Definitely has it going on.

1045
00:44:48,291 --> 00:44:49,416
It's beautiful.

1046
00:44:49,416 --> 00:44:53,375
Modern, has a nice
Airport has a lot of taxis

1047
00:44:53,375 --> 00:44:55,083
and has a fairly famous canal

1048
00:44:55,083 --> 00:44:57,125
that runs right through the middle of it.

1049
00:44:59,916 --> 00:45:02,583
The jungles have very industrious ants,

1050
00:45:02,583 --> 00:45:05,000
and the land is just beautiful.

1051
00:45:06,583 --> 00:45:10,666
However, that's not where
Panama College of cell Sciences

1052
00:45:10,666 --> 00:45:14,250
is at, it's in a tiny remote town

1053
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:15,791
called Chitra.

1054
00:45:15,791 --> 00:45:17,916
It's either a four hour bus ride

1055
00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:20,125
or a 30 minute plane ride.

1056
00:45:20,125 --> 00:45:23,041
To get there, you must
travel to the other side

1057
00:45:23,041 --> 00:45:26,250
of Panama City to a very small airport.

1058
00:45:27,166 --> 00:45:29,291
It has a nice bubblegum machine

1059
00:45:29,291 --> 00:45:31,125
and vintage payphones.

1060
00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:38,916
It uses a tiny commercial plane.

1061
00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:42,666
You drop your bags in the back

1062
00:45:42,666 --> 00:45:45,000
and crawl over the seats like a suburban.

1063
00:45:47,208 --> 00:45:49,083
If you choose to sit in the front,

1064
00:45:49,083 --> 00:45:50,458
you have to spread your legs

1065
00:45:50,458 --> 00:45:54,000
to let the pilot pull his
seat back to fly the plane.

1066
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,208
There are no flight attendants there.

1067
00:45:56,208 --> 00:45:59,666
No bathrooms, but a great view

1068
00:45:59,666 --> 00:46:02,125
watching the pilots fly the plane.

1069
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,500
When it's too bright,

1070
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,208
the pilots put sunshades over the window

1071
00:46:07,208 --> 00:46:09,791
so they can see the instrument panels.

1072
00:46:09,791 --> 00:46:12,541
It only flies about 2,000 feet high.

1073
00:46:12,541 --> 00:46:15,083
So you fly right in the rain clouds,

1074
00:46:15,083 --> 00:46:16,083
not over them.

1075
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,083
You get a lovely view of the
landing strip as you land.

1076
00:46:25,583 --> 00:46:27,125
You might be wondering,

1077
00:46:27,125 --> 00:46:28,625
why would Kristin come here

1078
00:46:28,625 --> 00:46:31,125
to get training she felt
she couldn't receive

1079
00:46:31,125 --> 00:46:34,250
in the United States in 2017.

1080
00:46:38,375 --> 00:46:41,000
We caught the only taxi at the airport,

1081
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,791
an airport that only had
two cars in front of it

1082
00:46:43,791 --> 00:46:45,125
complete with dirt road

1083
00:46:45,125 --> 00:46:47,875
and a stray dog bars on the windows

1084
00:46:47,875 --> 00:46:51,458
in an airport with no metal
detector going through security,

1085
00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:54,416
but you can watch the daytime soap opera

1086
00:46:54,416 --> 00:46:58,041
while carrying a gun,
bomb or anything you want

1087
00:46:58,041 --> 00:46:59,250
to the plane.

1088
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:01,708
We really didn't see anywhere to stay.

1089
00:47:01,708 --> 00:47:04,625
So we went down to the
hostel in Playa Venao

1090
00:47:04,625 --> 00:47:07,375
about an hour away on the ocean.

1091
00:47:07,375 --> 00:47:09,750
It was absolutely beautiful there.

1092
00:47:11,583 --> 00:47:13,250
But then back to tea tray.

1093
00:47:18,250 --> 00:47:20,041
The cab driver had a problem.

1094
00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:26,666
(speaks in foreign language) okay.

1095
00:47:26,666 --> 00:47:28,666
- [Reporter] He and the
other known three taxis

1096
00:47:28,666 --> 00:47:31,750
in the town could not find
the address that is listed

1097
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:35,083
on the Panama College of
cell sciences website.

1098
00:47:35,083 --> 00:47:38,541
The website does discourage
doing any mailings there

1099
00:47:38,541 --> 00:47:41,083
and says to email everything however,

1100
00:47:41,083 --> 00:47:44,291
we were sure they actually
had a real address.

1101
00:47:44,291 --> 00:47:46,750
The cab driver started asking everyone.

1102
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:55,250
A reverse address search shows
it shares the same address

1103
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:59,666
but different suite number
with the University of Swahili,

1104
00:47:59,666 --> 00:48:04,208
a university that grants PhDs
primarily to people in India.

1105
00:48:04,208 --> 00:48:08,000
Why would the University
of Swahili be in Panama?

1106
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,500
And why would it share the same address

1107
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:13,000
with Panama College of Cell Sciences?

1108
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,250
This university of
Swahili says its address

1109
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:17,958
is Google verified,

1110
00:48:17,958 --> 00:48:21,000
and shows it slap dab in
the middle of the street.

1111
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,750
So the cab driver went to
the middle of the street

1112
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:26,000
and talked with the person standing there,

1113
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,250
but the university wasn't there.

1114
00:48:29,375 --> 00:48:32,791
Shown on the map right next to
the Google verified address,

1115
00:48:32,791 --> 00:48:34,041
it shows a carwash,

1116
00:48:34,041 --> 00:48:38,333
we found the carwash but
no university, nothing.

1117
00:48:45,250 --> 00:48:47,166
Both of these Universities

1118
00:48:47,166 --> 00:48:50,083
say they are in the
Azuero Business Center,

1119
00:48:50,083 --> 00:48:52,000
which Google brings up this site.

1120
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,500
The site had no links, no contact,

1121
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:56,250
and six months earlier,

1122
00:48:56,250 --> 00:48:58,208
the same site looked like this

1123
00:48:58,208 --> 00:48:59,583
with another building.

1124
00:48:59,583 --> 00:49:02,416
Those buildings don't resemble each other.

1125
00:49:02,416 --> 00:49:05,583
But this was the closest
building to the carwash.

1126
00:49:05,583 --> 00:49:08,500
We made the whole trip
to Panama to speak with

1127
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:12,000
someone in the administrative
offices and found no evidence

1128
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,333
that either universities
have a real address in

1129
00:49:15,333 --> 00:49:18,583
this very remote part of the world.

1130
00:49:18,583 --> 00:49:20,375
Let's just look at the website

1131
00:49:20,375 --> 00:49:23,791
for Panama College of Cell Sciences.

1132
00:49:23,791 --> 00:49:26,291
The college was founded by Walter Drake,

1133
00:49:26,291 --> 00:49:29,250
Walter Drake did not have a PhD,

1134
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:32,416
when he opened Panama
College of Cell Sciences.

1135
00:49:32,416 --> 00:49:34,750
He then opens another virtual college

1136
00:49:34,750 --> 00:49:36,958
out of the Commonwealth of Dominica,

1137
00:49:36,958 --> 00:49:38,833
called Blue Marble University,

1138
00:49:38,833 --> 00:49:41,000
Panama College of Cell Sciences,

1139
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,250
became the biology graduate school

1140
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:46,583
within Blue Marble University again,

1141
00:49:46,583 --> 00:49:50,583
He opens both colleges without a PhD.

1142
00:49:50,583 --> 00:49:53,666
Then suddenly, he got a PhD.

1143
00:49:53,666 --> 00:49:57,416
Where, from panorama
College of Cell Sciences.

1144
00:49:57,416 --> 00:50:01,750
Yep, he got a PhD from his own school

1145
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:04,083
just in case you aren't catching it.

1146
00:50:04,083 --> 00:50:07,416
You can't just give yourself
a degree at a higher level

1147
00:50:07,416 --> 00:50:10,083
than the education you already have.

1148
00:50:10,083 --> 00:50:11,583
If this did work,

1149
00:50:11,583 --> 00:50:14,375
Huffman and Laughlin should
have saved their money

1150
00:50:14,375 --> 00:50:16,416
and avoided jail time.

1151
00:50:16,416 --> 00:50:17,958
- [Reporter] Tonight, Hollywood's elite

1152
00:50:17,958 --> 00:50:19,916
accused of paying top dollar

1153
00:50:19,916 --> 00:50:22,416
to buy admission to a higher education

1154
00:50:22,416 --> 00:50:24,416
their children did not earn.

1155
00:50:24,416 --> 00:50:26,208
- [Reporter] They could
just start their own college

1156
00:50:26,208 --> 00:50:27,583
in the jungles of Panama,

1157
00:50:27,583 --> 00:50:29,958
and give PhDs to their kids.

1158
00:50:29,958 --> 00:50:31,958
On the Panama College website,

1159
00:50:31,958 --> 00:50:34,833
it has this certificate of recognition

1160
00:50:34,833 --> 00:50:37,208
from California University,

1161
00:50:37,208 --> 00:50:40,375
saying its curriculum is
equivalent to the curriculum

1162
00:50:40,375 --> 00:50:43,916
of the regionally and
nationally accredited colleges

1163
00:50:43,916 --> 00:50:48,000
and universities of the
United States of America.

1164
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,458
Lots of issues here.

1165
00:50:49,458 --> 00:50:52,750
This website ends with a .tc.

1166
00:50:52,750 --> 00:50:54,708
You probably don't recognize it.

1167
00:50:54,708 --> 00:50:57,125
That's because it
designates a country code

1168
00:50:57,125 --> 00:50:59,250
of the Turks and Caicos Islands.

1169
00:50:59,250 --> 00:51:01,875
If this is a university in LA,

1170
00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:05,083
why wouldn't it just have a.edu extension,

1171
00:51:05,083 --> 00:51:07,750
like every other real
University in America?

1172
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:11,125
Oh, and the website doesn't even work.

1173
00:51:11,125 --> 00:51:15,500
Searching California University
on Google won't help either.

1174
00:51:15,500 --> 00:51:18,833
It brings up options for the
University of California system

1175
00:51:18,833 --> 00:51:23,833
in California like UCLA,
UC Berkeley, or UCSD.

1176
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,916
Well, maybe that's the intention
with choosing this name.

1177
00:51:27,916 --> 00:51:31,416
If you search for
California University FCE,

1178
00:51:31,416 --> 00:51:33,750
then it's the first option listed.

1179
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:38,125
By the way Dr. Amorsolo's
do not explain anywhere

1180
00:51:38,125 --> 00:51:41,166
why they're putting doctor
in front of their name,

1181
00:51:41,166 --> 00:51:45,000
nor is any education listed
on their LinkedIn profile.

1182
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,083
According to the California
Department of Education,

1183
00:51:48,083 --> 00:51:52,500
California University FCE
was opened on October 2 2011.

1184
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:57,375
However, on the certificate
for Panama College

1185
00:51:57,375 --> 00:51:58,916
of Cell Sciences,

1186
00:51:58,916 --> 00:52:01,208
it says here the certificate was given

1187
00:52:01,208 --> 00:52:04,583
on July 25 2011.

1188
00:52:04,583 --> 00:52:09,541
Over two months before
California University FCE

1189
00:52:09,541 --> 00:52:13,625
was even registered according
to California records.

1190
00:52:15,041 --> 00:52:17,500
The California Department of Education

1191
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:20,875
lists California University FCE school

1192
00:52:20,875 --> 00:52:25,083
and mailing address as this
private kindergarten here

1193
00:52:25,083 --> 00:52:28,333
yet California University FCE website

1194
00:52:28,333 --> 00:52:31,291
shows this building
called University Tower

1195
00:52:31,291 --> 00:52:36,125
at 4199 campus drive suite 550.

1196
00:52:36,125 --> 00:52:39,541
Suite 550 is an Executive Office Suite

1197
00:52:39,541 --> 00:52:41,833
offering virtual offices.

1198
00:52:41,833 --> 00:52:44,875
California University says no walk in

1199
00:52:44,875 --> 00:52:47,083
on every address they list.

1200
00:52:47,083 --> 00:52:50,208
Isn't it a coincidence
that they have a name

1201
00:52:50,208 --> 00:52:53,708
that is the reverse of the
University of California,

1202
00:52:53,708 --> 00:52:55,291
California University.

1203
00:52:55,291 --> 00:52:57,750
And it's the closest business building

1204
00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:00,708
to the University of California,

1205
00:53:00,708 --> 00:53:04,166
a building called
University Towers located

1206
00:53:04,166 --> 00:53:05,708
on campus drive,

1207
00:53:05,708 --> 00:53:07,541
and they use this picture

1208
00:53:07,541 --> 00:53:09,583
as their university building,

1209
00:53:09,583 --> 00:53:11,291
rather than the one registered

1210
00:53:11,291 --> 00:53:14,125
with the California
Department of Education.

1211
00:53:14,125 --> 00:53:16,708
Making someone browsing
through their website,

1212
00:53:16,708 --> 00:53:19,041
think this is a real University.

1213
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:25,250
They are a founding member
of the International Center

1214
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:27,416
for academic evaluation,

1215
00:53:27,416 --> 00:53:29,583
which is invitation only.

1216
00:53:29,583 --> 00:53:31,458
They served as its first chair,

1217
00:53:31,458 --> 00:53:35,416
and almost all its members
are original members.

1218
00:53:35,416 --> 00:53:38,041
For example, the next company listed

1219
00:53:38,041 --> 00:53:40,666
is Career Consulting International,

1220
00:53:40,666 --> 00:53:41,750
and their website,

1221
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:44,250
they list in the news
where they have a bunch

1222
00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:46,250
of videos that are not news.

1223
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:49,833
But weak attempts to look
like news as this classic.

1224
00:53:53,083 --> 00:53:54,333
Welcome to news break.

1225
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:56,875
I'm Samantha Cohn in Washington DC,

1226
00:53:56,875 --> 00:53:58,916
where our representatives are gridlocked

1227
00:53:58,916 --> 00:54:00,833
about immigration reform.

1228
00:54:00,833 --> 00:54:02,708
One company that is moving forward

1229
00:54:02,708 --> 00:54:04,750
is Career Consulting International

1230
00:54:04,750 --> 00:54:08,750
www.thedegreepeople.com.

1231
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:10,750
So here's where we stand.

1232
00:54:10,750 --> 00:54:13,833
We have a company called
California University.

1233
00:54:13,833 --> 00:54:16,750
That sounds like the
University of California,

1234
00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:18,833
using an Executive Office suite that

1235
00:54:18,833 --> 00:54:21,916
is conveniently right next
door to the real University

1236
00:54:21,916 --> 00:54:23,375
of California Irvine.

1237
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:28,000
They have authority to
do academic evaluations

1238
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,583
from the International Center
for academic evaluation,

1239
00:54:31,583 --> 00:54:34,666
which is an organization
they appear to help found

1240
00:54:34,666 --> 00:54:37,375
and served as its first chair.

1241
00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:39,750
With that self made authority

1242
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:43,666
they evaluated Panama College's
cell science curriculum,

1243
00:54:43,666 --> 00:54:46,250
two months before they
registered themselves

1244
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:48,000
with the state of California,

1245
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,791
and found Panama College of cell science,

1246
00:54:50,791 --> 00:54:53,458
equivalent to US universities,

1247
00:54:53,458 --> 00:54:56,250
even though it was created by a guy

1248
00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:58,458
who didn't have a PhD,

1249
00:54:58,458 --> 00:55:01,583
but gave himself one from
this very University,

1250
00:55:01,583 --> 00:55:04,291
he started and was merged in

1251
00:55:04,291 --> 00:55:08,375
some way by another university
that he happened to found

1252
00:55:08,375 --> 00:55:10,833
as well called Blue Marble.

1253
00:55:10,833 --> 00:55:13,916
Yet the whole time the
founder lives in the US,

1254
00:55:13,916 --> 00:55:15,083
and this is the college

1255
00:55:15,083 --> 00:55:17,916
that gives Kristin Comella a PhD,

1256
00:55:17,916 --> 00:55:21,083
who herself is listed as
the number one stem cell

1257
00:55:21,083 --> 00:55:25,875
influencer in the world by the
organization she founded and

1258
00:55:25,875 --> 00:55:28,375
was serving as president of when she gave

1259
00:55:28,375 --> 00:55:31,416
that pronouncement upon herself.

1260
00:55:31,416 --> 00:55:32,416
Wow.

1261
00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:35,791
Are you starting to feel
like Kristin's PhD is fake?

1262
00:55:35,791 --> 00:55:37,583
So what do you think will happen

1263
00:55:37,583 --> 00:55:39,083
when she gives stem cells

1264
00:55:39,083 --> 00:55:40,625
to a non fake patient.

1265
00:55:40,625 --> 00:55:43,500
- Florida stem cell clinic
sued after several patients

1266
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:45,708
say they went blind after treatment.

1267
00:55:45,708 --> 00:55:46,750
- Tell them We're sorry,

1268
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:49,583
and they got several million dollars so

1269
00:55:49,583 --> 00:55:51,291
and they were gonna go blind anyway.

1270
00:55:51,291 --> 00:55:53,250
- There's a such thing on social media

1271
00:55:53,250 --> 00:55:54,750
as manufactured links.

1272
00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:58,916
So one social media platform
or health site or whatever,

1273
00:55:58,916 --> 00:56:00,416
will be sharing the others like,

1274
00:56:00,416 --> 00:56:02,625
Oh my gosh, we love these guys.

1275
00:56:07,625 --> 00:56:09,333
- Kristin is the president

1276
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:11,416
of the Academy of Regenerative Practices

1277
00:56:11,416 --> 00:56:14,916
and she puts on a conference
annually in Florida.

1278
00:56:14,916 --> 00:56:17,250
I was just down there in Florida a couple

1279
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:20,583
of weeks ago, and was did a talk there.

1280
00:56:20,583 --> 00:56:22,250
- That was kinda this
what some people call

1281
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:23,375
a racket going on,

1282
00:56:23,375 --> 00:56:25,208
because they were not aware

1283
00:56:25,208 --> 00:56:27,375
that they were manufactured links

1284
00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:28,458
they thought they were just sharing out

1285
00:56:28,458 --> 00:56:30,083
of the kindness of their hearts.

1286
00:56:30,083 --> 00:56:33,416
- [Reporter] Erin Elizabeth
sent this email to Paleo f(x).

1287
00:56:33,416 --> 00:56:35,000
- when I said to her, listen,

1288
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,666
these women were blinded she goes well,

1289
00:56:36,666 --> 00:56:38,250
there's two sides to every story.

1290
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:39,750
- [Reporter] If Kristin is being charged

1291
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:41,208
with anything illegal,

1292
00:56:41,208 --> 00:56:44,916
she will be judged by far more
appropriate judges than me.

1293
00:56:44,916 --> 00:56:47,333
- They still had her as a
one of the keynote speakers

1294
00:56:47,333 --> 00:56:48,166
at their event.

1295
00:56:48,166 --> 00:56:51,416
- [Reporter] Once the FDA filed
the lawsuit against Kristin,

1296
00:56:51,416 --> 00:56:55,833
this CEO of Paleo f(x)
makes a huge judgment

1297
00:56:55,833 --> 00:56:59,250
and campaign for Kristin in
this Facebook Live video.

1298
00:56:59,250 --> 00:57:03,583
- Right now she is babbling
on all of our behalf.

1299
00:57:04,666 --> 00:57:07,041
- [Reporter] So what due diligence exists

1300
00:57:07,041 --> 00:57:10,041
when selecting speakers
at these conferences.

1301
00:57:10,041 --> 00:57:13,250
- Another example was a
urologist and a plastic surgeon

1302
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:15,625
who partnered together
in California and wanted

1303
00:57:15,625 --> 00:57:18,208
to treat any pathology under the sun that

1304
00:57:18,208 --> 00:57:20,583
included neurodegenerative diseases.

1305
00:57:20,583 --> 00:57:22,750
I'm not sure what
qualifications a plastic surgeon

1306
00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:26,708
or urologist has to treat
Parkinson's disease, for example,

1307
00:57:26,708 --> 00:57:30,458
but they were building
registries to try to disguise it

1308
00:57:30,458 --> 00:57:32,416
as a one giant clinical study,

1309
00:57:32,416 --> 00:57:34,041
even though they had a
network of 50 doctors

1310
00:57:34,041 --> 00:57:35,750
around the country and saying

1311
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:38,500
that they could bypass
the FDA rules because it

1312
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:41,125
was under the umbrella
of a clinical study.

1313
00:57:41,125 --> 00:57:43,208
- [Reporter] If we look down
the list of physicians who

1314
00:57:43,208 --> 00:57:45,916
are part of cell surgical network,

1315
00:57:45,916 --> 00:57:48,958
we Find Dr. Tami Meraglia.

1316
00:57:48,958 --> 00:57:52,416
Dr. Tami practices in Seattle, Washington.

1317
00:57:52,416 --> 00:57:55,416
Her website says three
things you should know

1318
00:57:55,416 --> 00:57:58,083
before you do stem cell
treatments anywhere

1319
00:57:58,083 --> 00:58:00,708
but Seattle Stem Cell Center.

1320
00:58:00,708 --> 00:58:03,250
- [Tami] Were blessed to be
part of a clinical trial.

1321
00:58:03,250 --> 00:58:07,041
And there are 8,000 cases
that have been recorded

1322
00:58:07,041 --> 00:58:10,333
and documented and no adverse events.

1323
00:58:10,333 --> 00:58:12,208
- [Reporter] First, she's a member

1324
00:58:12,208 --> 00:58:15,333
of a US based clinical trial IRB number,

1325
00:58:15,333 --> 00:58:19,916
ICSS 2016 004.

1326
00:58:19,916 --> 00:58:22,541
That's a very official looking number.

1327
00:58:22,541 --> 00:58:26,166
But unfortunately, it's absolutely bogus.

1328
00:58:26,166 --> 00:58:28,791
Potential patients must
learn how to identify

1329
00:58:28,791 --> 00:58:30,333
these red flags.

1330
00:58:30,333 --> 00:58:33,250
Because the violative
clinics have become so bold

1331
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:36,375
and sophisticated with their deception.

1332
00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:40,625
First, an IRB study is
not associated in any way

1333
00:58:40,625 --> 00:58:42,708
with an FDA permit like an IND,

1334
00:58:43,958 --> 00:58:48,500
an IRB is not an IND
and this IRB is dubious.

1335
00:58:49,791 --> 00:58:51,000
Why?

1336
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,791
The company that granted
the IRB number is the

1337
00:58:53,791 --> 00:58:56,458
International Cell Surgical Society,

1338
00:58:56,458 --> 00:58:59,750
the ICSS and according to 2019,

1339
00:58:59,750 --> 00:59:02,000
California records Mark Berman,

1340
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,791
the CEO of Cell Surgical
Network is also the CEO

1341
00:59:05,791 --> 00:59:07,000
of this company.

1342
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,750
And his business partner Elliot lander,

1343
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:11,625
is the original processor

1344
00:59:11,625 --> 00:59:15,250
when this ICSS organization was formed,

1345
00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:18,791
as you can see in the
2013 California records.

1346
00:59:18,791 --> 00:59:21,916
So these business partners
created another company

1347
00:59:21,916 --> 00:59:25,041
to grant IRB numbers to themselves.

1348
00:59:25,041 --> 00:59:26,291
Sound familiar?

1349
00:59:26,291 --> 00:59:29,916
And that's why Dr. Tami lists
as the number one reason

1350
00:59:29,916 --> 00:59:32,541
to come to her for stem cell therapy.

1351
00:59:32,541 --> 00:59:34,375
And if that's not enough,

1352
00:59:34,375 --> 00:59:36,583
here's another red flag.

1353
00:59:36,583 --> 00:59:39,166
Healthgrades website shows she specializes

1354
00:59:39,166 --> 00:59:40,916
in legal medicine.

1355
00:59:40,916 --> 00:59:44,458
But on Dr. Tami's website, she says this.

1356
00:59:44,458 --> 00:59:47,083
- Many of our patients add exosomes

1357
00:59:47,083 --> 00:59:50,500
to every treatment to try
and supercharge the cells

1358
00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:52,333
that they already have.

1359
00:59:52,333 --> 00:59:54,083
- [Reporter] And this.

1360
00:59:54,083 --> 00:59:57,333
- In fact, our hair and
skin treatments can be done

1361
00:59:57,333 --> 01:00:00,416
with just cord or just exosomes

1362
01:00:00,416 --> 01:00:02,250
or a combination.

1363
01:00:02,250 --> 01:00:05,916
Cord blood derived stem cells
and exosomes are labeled

1364
01:00:05,916 --> 01:00:07,541
as drugs by the FDA

1365
01:00:07,541 --> 01:00:09,666
and must have pre market approval,

1366
01:00:09,666 --> 01:00:11,166
which they do not have.

1367
01:00:11,166 --> 01:00:15,916
So all solutions she outlines
are not legal medicine.

1368
01:00:15,916 --> 01:00:18,125
Dr. Tami was also featured

1369
01:00:18,125 --> 01:00:22,583
in The Healing Miracle by
the ex con duo Brent Detelich

1370
01:00:22,583 --> 01:00:26,208
and Jeff Hayes with
narrator Sarah Sheehan.

1371
01:00:26,208 --> 01:00:28,416
We'll see also two
pretty remarkable stories

1372
01:00:28,416 --> 01:00:29,458
from your personal life.

1373
01:00:29,458 --> 01:00:30,708
What about in your practice?

1374
01:00:30,708 --> 01:00:34,166
- We have patients who have
MS and we're going blind

1375
01:00:34,166 --> 01:00:36,791
and they're no longer going blind.

1376
01:00:36,791 --> 01:00:40,291
- [Reporter] Now, Dr. Tami
is making her own docu series

1377
01:00:40,291 --> 01:00:41,500
on stem cells.

1378
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:44,791
- Dr. Tami invited me to be
at her upcoming docu series

1379
01:00:44,791 --> 01:00:47,916
on stem cells, and I
did some due diligence.

1380
01:00:47,916 --> 01:00:49,583
- [Reporter] He sent her this email.

1381
01:00:49,583 --> 01:00:51,666
I found your CV online,

1382
01:00:51,666 --> 01:00:54,375
but it didn't list where
you went to medical school.

1383
01:00:54,375 --> 01:00:57,416
Also, you outlined on
your intro video that you

1384
01:00:57,416 --> 01:00:59,250
are double board certified

1385
01:00:59,250 --> 01:01:01,916
- And a double board certified MD.

1386
01:01:01,916 --> 01:01:03,625
- [Reporter] She appears
to introduce herself

1387
01:01:03,625 --> 01:01:07,375
nearly everywhere as a
double board certified MD.

1388
01:01:07,375 --> 01:01:09,250
- I'm a double board certified MD.

1389
01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:12,250
- [Reporter] Dr. Tami replied
to his email saying she went

1390
01:01:12,250 --> 01:01:13,916
to a school in the Caribbean

1391
01:01:13,916 --> 01:01:16,416
and regarding the double
board certification.

1392
01:01:16,416 --> 01:01:18,833
She said my board certifications

1393
01:01:18,833 --> 01:01:21,375
are not recognized by the AMA.

1394
01:01:21,375 --> 01:01:23,500
- But then I declined her invitation.

1395
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:25,458
- [Reporter] Patients today need to know

1396
01:01:25,458 --> 01:01:29,750
that violators adulterate
the valid IRB study process

1397
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:31,750
by creating their own companies

1398
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:34,708
to grant themselves the IRB study number

1399
01:01:34,708 --> 01:01:38,166
and then they use that
number as a marketing ploy

1400
01:01:38,166 --> 01:01:40,625
to deceive the public by making it appear

1401
01:01:40,625 --> 01:01:42,666
they have something official.

1402
01:01:42,666 --> 01:01:44,916
They often exaggerate their credentials

1403
01:01:44,916 --> 01:01:48,583
and then they seduce the
natural medicine industry

1404
01:01:48,583 --> 01:01:51,083
and adulterate the docu series platform

1405
01:01:51,083 --> 01:01:54,583
with their fake docu series
that are really infomercials

1406
01:01:54,583 --> 01:01:57,208
in a shameless effort
to promote themselves

1407
01:01:57,208 --> 01:02:00,208
in a further effort to create legitimacy,

1408
01:02:00,208 --> 01:02:03,333
when in fact, they are FDA violators.

1409
01:02:05,583 --> 01:02:07,291
- So we would send patients to surgery,

1410
01:02:07,291 --> 01:02:09,458
surgeon would say, Hey, I'm done.

1411
01:02:09,458 --> 01:02:10,625
We fix this.

1412
01:02:10,625 --> 01:02:13,541
Structurally it looks good
now the MRI looks good

1413
01:02:13,541 --> 01:02:15,458
or the X ray looks good.

1414
01:02:15,458 --> 01:02:16,291
But at the end of the day,

1415
01:02:16,291 --> 01:02:18,208
it really wouldn't be fixed.

1416
01:02:18,208 --> 01:02:19,958
- In my career,

1417
01:02:19,958 --> 01:02:24,625
I ran benefit plans for
three very large corporations

1418
01:02:24,625 --> 01:02:28,000
I manage Walmart stores
a benefit plans for

1419
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,375
about 15 years,

1420
01:02:29,375 --> 01:02:31,083
in certain ways in America,

1421
01:02:31,083 --> 01:02:34,625
we're experiencing an
epidemic of misdiagnosis.

1422
01:02:34,625 --> 01:02:38,166
When I give a speech, I tell
people pick up your smartphone

1423
01:02:38,166 --> 01:02:42,416
and Google in the term
epidemic of misdiagnosis

1424
01:02:42,416 --> 01:02:43,708
and you gotta be, they're stunned

1425
01:02:43,708 --> 01:02:45,583
when they see what pours out.

1426
01:02:45,583 --> 01:02:47,416
One of the things we
do an Edison Healthcare

1427
01:02:47,416 --> 01:02:49,625
is we take patients who've been told

1428
01:02:49,625 --> 01:02:51,750
to have a spine surgery,

1429
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:54,125
and we send them to centers

1430
01:02:54,125 --> 01:02:58,625
that do an outstanding
job of diagnosing people.

1431
01:02:58,625 --> 01:03:02,125
About 60% of the people
we send to these centers

1432
01:03:02,125 --> 01:03:05,708
who've been told that spine
surgery have been misdiagnosed

1433
01:03:05,708 --> 01:03:07,500
and don't need a spine surgery.

1434
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:09,791
- [Reporter] Walmart saved $30,000

1435
01:03:09,791 --> 01:03:12,875
by seeking a second opinion
at Geisinger where it

1436
01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:15,916
was revealed that the mild
neck pain wouldn't improve

1437
01:03:15,916 --> 01:03:18,875
with spine surgery because the employee

1438
01:03:18,875 --> 01:03:21,166
actually had Parkinson's disease.

1439
01:03:21,166 --> 01:03:23,625
- One of the shocking
statistics is that we realized

1440
01:03:23,625 --> 01:03:26,500
that for patients who have certain types

1441
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:28,416
of musculoskeletal surgeries,

1442
01:03:28,416 --> 01:03:30,083
more than 50% of them

1443
01:03:30,083 --> 01:03:32,416
either did not receive a favorable outcome

1444
01:03:32,416 --> 01:03:34,166
or the procedure was inappropriate

1445
01:03:34,166 --> 01:03:36,250
and not medically necessary to begin with.

1446
01:03:41,583 --> 01:03:43,250
- I started as a surgeon,

1447
01:03:44,083 --> 01:03:46,000
but I was also had a PhD.

1448
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,500
And was trained in research.

1449
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:50,750
- [Reporter] This is
the C. Wayne Mcllwraith

1450
01:03:50,750 --> 01:03:52,958
Translational Medicine Center,

1451
01:03:52,958 --> 01:03:55,083
named after the founding director of the

1452
01:03:55,083 --> 01:03:58,833
Orthopedic Research Center
at Colorado State University,

1453
01:03:58,833 --> 01:04:01,125
Dr. C. Wayne Mcllwraith.

1454
01:04:01,125 --> 01:04:04,083
- There was an internship
in large animal surgery.

1455
01:04:04,083 --> 01:04:05,750
And that was when I knew what I wanted

1456
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:07,291
to do for the rest of my life.

1457
01:04:07,291 --> 01:04:10,666
I wanted to be involved
in equine surgery and I

1458
01:04:10,666 --> 01:04:13,416
was particularly interested
in equine orthopedics.

1459
01:04:18,875 --> 01:04:21,000
Because at that time, there was no MRI.

1460
01:04:21,875 --> 01:04:26,875
And people would base their
diagnosis on symptoms.

1461
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,625
And then often they'd say, well,

1462
01:04:28,625 --> 01:04:30,625
you've got medial knee pain, therefore,

1463
01:04:30,625 --> 01:04:31,750
we'll do an arthrotomy

1464
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:33,708
and take your meniscus out.

1465
01:04:33,708 --> 01:04:36,708
And your meniscus wasn't
always the problem.

1466
01:04:36,708 --> 01:04:39,125
So the thing with diagnostic arthroscopy

1467
01:04:39,125 --> 01:04:41,250
it revolutionized diagnosis,

1468
01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:44,416
because you could go
in and ascertain do you

1469
01:04:44,416 --> 01:04:46,500
indeed have a meniscal tear?

1470
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:48,750
Or do you have something else?

1471
01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:50,750
And then, when I got so far

1472
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:52,208
with arthroscopic surgery,

1473
01:04:52,208 --> 01:04:54,333
as we've talked briefly about,

1474
01:04:54,333 --> 01:04:56,083
then you find your limitations.

1475
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,708
And as they did in humans as well,

1476
01:05:00,708 --> 01:05:03,416
- For those of us who
are clinician scientists,

1477
01:05:03,416 --> 01:05:06,125
you're motivated by frustration.

1478
01:05:06,125 --> 01:05:07,583
I mean, I hate to say it that way,

1479
01:05:07,583 --> 01:05:08,416
but that's what it is.

1480
01:05:08,416 --> 01:05:10,208
There's a question in the clinic,

1481
01:05:10,208 --> 01:05:11,750
you just can't answer.

1482
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:15,041
You can't fix a horse or
person or whatever it is.

1483
01:05:15,041 --> 01:05:18,041
- A big part of my caseload or resources.

1484
01:05:18,041 --> 01:05:20,250
And the phrase horses
don't come back and win

1485
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:24,041
in the same class that
they were before injury.

1486
01:05:24,041 --> 01:05:25,750
That's a relative failure.

1487
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:28,750
Just like the NFL player
that can't come back

1488
01:05:28,750 --> 01:05:31,833
and play at the same level is a failure,

1489
01:05:31,833 --> 01:05:36,083
at least to the to the team management.

1490
01:05:36,083 --> 01:05:38,583
And so there's a lot of pressure for us

1491
01:05:38,583 --> 01:05:40,958
to get the optimal repair.

1492
01:05:44,083 --> 01:05:46,416
- I arrived back here in 92.

1493
01:05:46,416 --> 01:05:48,791
Dave Frisbie arrived in 93.

1494
01:05:48,791 --> 01:05:51,875
Three of us worked on all
these projects is interesting

1495
01:05:51,875 --> 01:05:56,250
when we started doing the basic
research around stem cells.

1496
01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:57,166
It's like, hey,

1497
01:05:57,166 --> 01:06:00,916
this could be really good.

1498
01:06:00,916 --> 01:06:04,125
- I'd been working with
one particular client

1499
01:06:04,125 --> 01:06:07,291
and his name is Steve Grove,

1500
01:06:07,291 --> 01:06:10,000
and he happened to be the
founder of Applebee's and...

1501
01:06:12,625 --> 01:06:14,750
Star was a perfect candidate.

1502
01:06:14,750 --> 01:06:16,875
She had one of the worst meniscal

1503
01:06:16,875 --> 01:06:19,583
injuries I've yet to see in my career.

1504
01:06:19,583 --> 01:06:23,083
And we treated her with
stem cells after surgery

1505
01:06:23,083 --> 01:06:26,458
and she came back in six
months and was sound.

1506
01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:28,083
- You have enough of those cases.

1507
01:06:28,083 --> 01:06:29,083
If it's a one off,

1508
01:06:29,083 --> 01:06:30,583
or two or three, you're like, Okay,

1509
01:06:30,583 --> 01:06:32,750
it's probably just a law of averages.

1510
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:34,583
But when you start having dozens

1511
01:06:34,583 --> 01:06:36,833
of them returned significantly better

1512
01:06:36,833 --> 01:06:38,291
than they had before.

1513
01:06:38,291 --> 01:06:40,083
That is an aha moment.

1514
01:06:41,208 --> 01:06:44,166
It's not sometimes just the single case,

1515
01:06:44,166 --> 01:06:45,750
or the one off that you see

1516
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:48,291
that you're impressed by its the data,

1517
01:06:48,291 --> 01:06:50,666
and critically evaluating the data,

1518
01:06:50,666 --> 01:06:51,583
both clinical data,

1519
01:06:51,583 --> 01:06:52,958
research data and saying, look,

1520
01:06:52,958 --> 01:06:55,916
we've really got something
here that we need

1521
01:06:55,916 --> 01:06:57,166
to go forward with.

1522
01:06:58,125 --> 01:07:00,250
- About that same time a paper came out,

1523
01:07:00,250 --> 01:07:02,666
I was big and keeping up
with the medical literature.

1524
01:07:02,666 --> 01:07:05,916
I read an article about rabbits

1525
01:07:05,916 --> 01:07:08,541
where they created a degenerative disc.

1526
01:07:08,541 --> 01:07:11,208
And then they went ahead
and injected stem cells

1527
01:07:11,208 --> 01:07:12,916
into that disc,

1528
01:07:12,916 --> 01:07:15,833
and the disc kind of magically regrew.

1529
01:07:15,833 --> 01:07:18,250
So this was the first
article I've ever seen

1530
01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:21,083
that talked about regeneration in an area

1531
01:07:21,083 --> 01:07:23,166
of the body I was working with every day.

1532
01:07:30,583 --> 01:07:33,416
So I just googled who
was doing this around me,

1533
01:07:33,416 --> 01:07:35,083
and that's how I got in touch

1534
01:07:35,083 --> 01:07:39,750
with John Kizzade who was
a researcher at the CSU

1535
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:41,916
Orthopedic Research Center.

1536
01:07:41,916 --> 01:07:45,250
And basically equine athletes race horses,

1537
01:07:45,250 --> 01:07:48,500
they were doing peripheral
joints, we're shooting spine.

1538
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:50,791
So I basically just cold call them.

1539
01:07:50,791 --> 01:07:53,208
So I went up there, we met,

1540
01:07:53,208 --> 01:07:57,416
and I got a chance to kind
of pitch an idea that I had

1541
01:07:57,416 --> 01:07:59,416
that we should take this from an equine

1542
01:07:59,416 --> 01:08:01,916
or horse model into a human model.

1543
01:08:01,916 --> 01:08:03,625
Now they didn't do anything in spine,

1544
01:08:03,625 --> 01:08:05,916
there was no horse veterinary spine care,

1545
01:08:05,916 --> 01:08:07,500
it was all joints.

1546
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:09,916
So we decided to do both joints and spine

1547
01:08:09,916 --> 01:08:11,291
and then move from there.

1548
01:08:11,291 --> 01:08:15,041
Now to do that we needed an
institutional review board.

1549
01:08:15,041 --> 01:08:18,083
And we also needed to check
what the FDA regulations were.

1550
01:08:19,666 --> 01:08:21,291
I sent an email out saying hey,

1551
01:08:21,291 --> 01:08:24,458
we're thinking of doing this in patients.

1552
01:08:24,458 --> 01:08:25,875
What are the regulations?

1553
01:08:25,875 --> 01:08:28,208
Is this a drug, not a drug.

1554
01:08:28,208 --> 01:08:29,875
And what was really fascinating to me

1555
01:08:29,875 --> 01:08:31,333
is a couple days later,

1556
01:08:31,333 --> 01:08:33,083
I got back an email that

1557
01:08:33,083 --> 01:08:35,541
was the most confused
thing I've ever read.

1558
01:08:36,583 --> 01:08:41,083
Basically, the person
that sent it back and

1559
01:08:41,083 --> 01:08:44,958
included the entire email chain on there,

1560
01:08:44,958 --> 01:08:47,083
and so I got to start
roll through this thing

1561
01:08:47,083 --> 01:08:49,250
and it bounced from
department to department

1562
01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:51,291
to department to department.

1563
01:08:51,291 --> 01:08:53,208
And it seemed like there
was a little consensus

1564
01:08:53,208 --> 01:08:54,916
within the FDA as to whether

1565
01:08:54,916 --> 01:08:56,916
or not what we wanted to do,

1566
01:08:56,916 --> 01:08:58,666
which was to take the
patient's stem cells,

1567
01:08:58,666 --> 01:09:01,583
grow them to bigger numbers
and put them back in

1568
01:09:01,583 --> 01:09:04,291
was a drug or a medical procedure.

1569
01:09:04,291 --> 01:09:05,083
So at that point,

1570
01:09:05,083 --> 01:09:07,208
I said, I'm not gonna
get my answer with FDA,

1571
01:09:07,208 --> 01:09:10,083
I'm going to need to hire
some regulatory attorneys

1572
01:09:10,083 --> 01:09:10,916
to vet all of this.

1573
01:09:10,916 --> 01:09:12,250
- Dr. Centeno.

1574
01:09:12,250 --> 01:09:16,583
And my firm we began working
together to address the issue.

1575
01:09:16,583 --> 01:09:18,166
- [Chris] They actually put together and

1576
01:09:18,166 --> 01:09:20,416
sourced a couple different opinions.

1577
01:09:20,416 --> 01:09:21,541
At the time,

1578
01:09:21,541 --> 01:09:24,666
their opinion was this was
all a medical procedure.

1579
01:09:24,666 --> 01:09:27,083
- So the tissue that's being used is taken

1580
01:09:27,083 --> 01:09:29,416
from the patient and put
back into the patient,

1581
01:09:29,416 --> 01:09:31,208
- Its the patient's own cells.

1582
01:09:31,208 --> 01:09:33,916
And we were taking those
cells and growing those cells

1583
01:09:33,916 --> 01:09:34,750
to bigger numbers

1584
01:09:34,750 --> 01:09:37,041
and putting them back
into the same patient.

1585
01:09:37,041 --> 01:09:38,375
So that was not a drug

1586
01:09:38,375 --> 01:09:40,250
that did not need FDA approval.

1587
01:09:41,250 --> 01:09:43,083
So this was an interesting
moment in my life

1588
01:09:43,083 --> 01:09:46,416
because I had gotten
off the hamster wheel,

1589
01:09:46,416 --> 01:09:48,125
I'd sold my practice.

1590
01:09:48,125 --> 01:09:52,083
And I got a chance to
do this two year study.

1591
01:09:52,083 --> 01:09:54,708
And this two year study and 50 patients,

1592
01:09:54,708 --> 01:09:57,250
I didn't need to charge the patients.

1593
01:09:57,250 --> 01:09:58,083
So I didn't.

1594
01:09:58,083 --> 01:09:59,291
And there were no textbooks.

1595
01:09:59,291 --> 01:10:01,666
There was nothing you could really read.

1596
01:10:01,666 --> 01:10:05,375
Because outside of a few
things done in Paris, France

1597
01:10:05,375 --> 01:10:07,458
by Phillippe Hernigou and his group,

1598
01:10:07,458 --> 01:10:09,916
there was no one who had
done anything like this.

1599
01:10:09,916 --> 01:10:12,166
- My first patient was in 1987.

1600
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:17,250
It was a patient with iposonic crozes

1601
01:10:19,208 --> 01:10:23,708
and she's patient up to
this moment is perfect.

1602
01:10:23,708 --> 01:10:27,208
She, she has not (speaks
in foreign language)

1603
01:10:27,208 --> 01:10:30,041
and she is pain free, at this moment,

1604
01:10:30,041 --> 01:10:33,875
we have treated more than 4,000 patients

1605
01:10:33,875 --> 01:10:35,333
with bone marrow aspiration,

1606
01:10:35,333 --> 01:10:38,916
- Really that MRI evidence
stuff is what got me excited

1607
01:10:38,916 --> 01:10:41,458
because it's one thing for the patient

1608
01:10:41,458 --> 01:10:43,500
to say they're feeling better,

1609
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:44,958
they can do more,

1610
01:10:44,958 --> 01:10:47,250
but then it's another
to see something like

1611
01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:49,250
that objectively on an MRI.

1612
01:10:51,583 --> 01:10:54,083
We know as physicians, this is working,

1613
01:10:54,083 --> 01:10:56,250
we published some early papers.

1614
01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:58,583
Let's go ahead and start
offering this to patients.

1615
01:10:58,583 --> 01:11:02,416
- In 2008, Dr. Centeno had a website up

1616
01:11:02,416 --> 01:11:04,250
for regenerative sciences.

1617
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:06,250
- And within six months of doing that,

1618
01:11:06,250 --> 01:11:07,916
we ended up getting a letter

1619
01:11:07,916 --> 01:11:10,041
from FDA certified letter.

1620
01:11:10,041 --> 01:11:11,750
But it basically said, hey,

1621
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:15,625
we think you might be doing
something that is akin

1622
01:11:15,625 --> 01:11:16,875
to creating a drug.

1623
01:11:16,875 --> 01:11:18,875
And if you do you need FDA approval.

1624
01:11:18,875 --> 01:11:20,958
But we're not taking a
position on that yet.

1625
01:11:20,958 --> 01:11:23,500
- We file suit against the FDA.

1626
01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:25,625
- But every time we took that to a judge,

1627
01:11:25,625 --> 01:11:27,541
the judge would come back
and say the case isn't right.

1628
01:11:27,541 --> 01:11:31,791
And what that means in
legal terms, is that, hey,

1629
01:11:31,791 --> 01:11:34,083
the FDA is taking no position here

1630
01:11:34,083 --> 01:11:36,041
until they take a formal position

1631
01:11:36,041 --> 01:11:38,083
that what you're doing is wrong

1632
01:11:38,083 --> 01:11:39,458
or against the regulations,

1633
01:11:39,458 --> 01:11:41,708
you can't challenge them in court.

1634
01:11:44,416 --> 01:11:47,166
- At the highest level, it's established,

1635
01:11:47,166 --> 01:11:50,416
at least by the federal
courts in Washington DC,

1636
01:11:50,416 --> 01:11:53,583
that FDA has the jurisdiction to regulate

1637
01:11:53,583 --> 01:11:56,958
these types of procedures,
even when, again,

1638
01:11:56,958 --> 01:11:58,875
it's an autologous procedure.

1639
01:11:58,875 --> 01:12:01,250
So the tissue that's being used is taken

1640
01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:03,750
from the patient and put
back into the patient.

1641
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:06,750
- The FDA's only issue

1642
01:12:06,750 --> 01:12:08,750
was that we were culturing the cells

1643
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:10,291
to get more cells,

1644
01:12:10,291 --> 01:12:13,250
if we just took the cells out

1645
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:16,750
and isolated the stem cell
fraction and put them back in

1646
01:12:16,750 --> 01:12:18,541
they didn't have a problem with that.

1647
01:12:19,666 --> 01:12:22,708
- [Reporter] So we see
here that the FDA is okay

1648
01:12:22,708 --> 01:12:24,750
with you using your own stem cells

1649
01:12:24,750 --> 01:12:28,333
from your own bone marrow to
treat orthopedic conditions

1650
01:12:28,333 --> 01:12:31,458
as part of the physician's
practice of medicine.

1651
01:12:31,458 --> 01:12:34,750
However, the FDA will
not allow a physician

1652
01:12:34,750 --> 01:12:36,416
to culture expand cells.

1653
01:12:36,416 --> 01:12:39,250
- And ultimately as a result of the case

1654
01:12:40,416 --> 01:12:44,166
We have the benefit of a stipulation

1655
01:12:44,166 --> 01:12:45,916
that allows regenerative sciences

1656
01:12:45,916 --> 01:12:49,125
to go forward with certain procedures

1657
01:12:49,125 --> 01:12:51,583
in the United States procedures not

1658
01:12:51,583 --> 01:12:53,666
involving culture expansion,

1659
01:12:53,666 --> 01:12:55,583
but procedures that are
still in use today and

1660
01:12:55,583 --> 01:12:58,291
that have been audited
on multiple times by FDA

1661
01:12:58,291 --> 01:13:01,583
procedures that involve
simply the concentration

1662
01:13:01,583 --> 01:13:03,250
of the bone marrow,

1663
01:13:03,250 --> 01:13:06,083
and then the use of that
concentrated bone marrow,

1664
01:13:06,083 --> 01:13:08,375
which is rich in stem cells

1665
01:13:08,375 --> 01:13:11,916
into the patient for orthopedic purposes.

1666
01:13:11,916 --> 01:13:13,041
- So why does it work?

1667
01:13:13,041 --> 01:13:15,000
It stimulates the body's
reparative process,

1668
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,291
there is an innate ability to heal.

1669
01:13:17,291 --> 01:13:19,541
So a really easy analogy for me

1670
01:13:19,541 --> 01:13:21,416
is if you cut yourself, right,

1671
01:13:21,416 --> 01:13:24,916
you bleed and you clot
and you just expect it

1672
01:13:24,916 --> 01:13:26,125
to heal because that's the
natural process, right?

1673
01:13:26,125 --> 01:13:27,791
It's it's gonna heal.

1674
01:13:27,791 --> 01:13:28,625
Why does that happen?

1675
01:13:28,625 --> 01:13:30,291
'Cause there's a really rich blood supply.

1676
01:13:30,291 --> 01:13:32,958
And so when you're injured,
those cells, those platelets,

1677
01:13:32,958 --> 01:13:34,750
they aggregate to the area, they clot,

1678
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:37,291
they break down and they send out messages

1679
01:13:37,291 --> 01:13:38,708
hey body were injured,

1680
01:13:38,708 --> 01:13:41,166
send stem cells and
reparative cells come in here,

1681
01:13:41,166 --> 01:13:43,750
clean the mess, let's rebuild the tissue,

1682
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:45,208
certain tissues and the ones that you hear

1683
01:13:45,208 --> 01:13:46,583
that patients have surgeries for,

1684
01:13:46,583 --> 01:13:50,916
like labrum, and meniscus and
discs, and joints, cartilage,

1685
01:13:50,916 --> 01:13:53,250
those are inherently poorly vascularized

1686
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:55,125
they have a bad blood supply inherently,

1687
01:13:55,125 --> 01:13:57,250
as we age that blood
supply becomes even worse

1688
01:13:57,250 --> 01:13:59,291
and we live life we fight gravity

1689
01:13:59,291 --> 01:14:02,500
and tissue breaks down
and so then we need that

1690
01:14:02,500 --> 01:14:04,166
to heal and it doesn't
it does just doesn't have

1691
01:14:04,166 --> 01:14:05,125
the capacity.

1692
01:14:05,125 --> 01:14:08,291
And so we have had the
our paradigm has been

1693
01:14:08,291 --> 01:14:09,125
treat the symptoms

1694
01:14:09,125 --> 01:14:10,083
so make it feel better,

1695
01:14:10,083 --> 01:14:14,291
douse it with anti inflammatory
or steroids or narcotics,

1696
01:14:14,291 --> 01:14:16,333
take away the pain, hide it, mask it,

1697
01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:17,166
and then when it's bad enough,

1698
01:14:17,166 --> 01:14:18,166
cut it out.

1699
01:14:18,166 --> 01:14:20,250
Right, or put a screw across it.

1700
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:22,166
And so what we're realizing is

1701
01:14:22,166 --> 01:14:24,166
this really elegant
system that the body has

1702
01:14:24,166 --> 01:14:25,250
that we're just activating it.

1703
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:26,791
- We did a double blind randomized

1704
01:14:26,791 --> 01:14:29,375
controlled trial of intradiscal,

1705
01:14:29,375 --> 01:14:31,208
platelet rich plasma.

1706
01:14:31,208 --> 01:14:33,250
And we published that a few years ago,

1707
01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:35,625
and it showed a statistically
significant improvement

1708
01:14:35,625 --> 01:14:38,583
in outcome and functional improvement.

1709
01:14:38,583 --> 01:14:39,916
And we just went through our five

1710
01:14:39,916 --> 01:14:41,750
to nine year outcome.

1711
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:44,708
Study data from the
original double blind study

1712
01:14:44,708 --> 01:14:47,416
and it shows 70% success
with one injection

1713
01:14:47,416 --> 01:14:48,750
for average of six years.

1714
01:14:52,166 --> 01:14:53,833
- And as I think you've already learned

1715
01:14:53,833 --> 01:14:58,375
there's a big variation between
valid biologic therapies

1716
01:14:58,375 --> 01:15:00,000
and non valid,

1717
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,625
and like the use of the term
stem cells has become abused.

1718
01:15:04,625 --> 01:15:07,916
- If this field is ever going to be real,

1719
01:15:07,916 --> 01:15:10,291
we have to get rid of those bad actors.

1720
01:15:10,291 --> 01:15:13,500
- And that's why you've got to have places

1721
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:17,458
to protect honesty or develop honesty.

1722
01:15:17,458 --> 01:15:19,833
And so that Interventional
Orthopedic Foundation,

1723
01:15:19,833 --> 01:15:22,500
which is where I met you, that meeting,

1724
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:23,416
and I'm on the board.

1725
01:15:23,416 --> 01:15:24,791
- So I went through the
fellowship with Dr. Centeno,

1726
01:15:24,791 --> 01:15:26,708
he's one of the reasons
why I came out here

1727
01:15:26,708 --> 01:15:28,208
because of the high level
of training that you get,

1728
01:15:28,208 --> 01:15:29,666
we don't really get that anywhere

1729
01:15:29,666 --> 01:15:30,500
in the United States,

1730
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:32,916
where you can get great
spine and joint training.

1731
01:15:32,916 --> 01:15:35,416
So Doc Centeno really
founded that with the clinic

1732
01:15:35,416 --> 01:15:37,000
and then he kinda expanded that

1733
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,000
to be available to all the
physicians in the US and abroad.

1734
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:40,833
With the Iowa.

1735
01:15:40,833 --> 01:15:43,416
- It's an important group
to turn around and not

1736
01:15:43,416 --> 01:15:45,083
only prove efficacy,

1737
01:15:45,083 --> 01:15:48,416
but also encourage research

1738
01:15:48,416 --> 01:15:51,541
that defines what's the
most effective treatment.

1739
01:15:51,541 --> 01:15:53,583
- I'm the head team physician
for the Atlanta Hawks.

1740
01:15:53,583 --> 01:15:56,500
I also am a team doctor
for the Atlanta Braves.

1741
01:15:56,500 --> 01:15:59,791
My concern is that from a government

1742
01:15:59,791 --> 01:16:01,583
and a regulatory point of view,

1743
01:16:01,583 --> 01:16:03,458
they're not gonna, at some point,

1744
01:16:03,458 --> 01:16:04,666
they're either not gonna be able to,

1745
01:16:04,666 --> 01:16:07,083
or they're not gonna want to
distinguish the good actors

1746
01:16:07,083 --> 01:16:08,500
from the bad actors.

1747
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:10,875
And they're gonna throw the
baby out with the bathwater,

1748
01:16:10,875 --> 01:16:11,791
so to speak.

1749
01:16:11,791 --> 01:16:13,875
- So you need an organization
to kinda sift through

1750
01:16:13,875 --> 01:16:15,708
this in a scientific manner,

1751
01:16:15,708 --> 01:16:19,083
to create standards and
guidelines to create a method

1752
01:16:19,083 --> 01:16:22,958
that the mainstream medical
profession would appreciate.

1753
01:16:22,958 --> 01:16:25,041
- Like, I think I'm a pretty
darn good doctor, right.

1754
01:16:25,041 --> 01:16:27,416
But when I'm given all
of this information,

1755
01:16:27,416 --> 01:16:28,583
it's really difficult.

1756
01:16:28,583 --> 01:16:31,250
- Different products that
confuses the general public

1757
01:16:31,250 --> 01:16:32,083
and in fact,

1758
01:16:32,083 --> 01:16:35,416
confuses most of the mainstream
medical professionals.

1759
01:16:35,416 --> 01:16:37,791
- It's taken a year so I've
been doing this for 10 years.

1760
01:16:37,791 --> 01:16:39,208
And I'm still not, I don't consider myself

1761
01:16:39,208 --> 01:16:40,625
a cell expert at all.

1762
01:16:40,625 --> 01:16:43,000
- I think I was an early adopter of some

1763
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,791
of our earliest trials of
orthobiologics, PRP and such,

1764
01:16:47,791 --> 01:16:49,750
as well as using ultrasound,

1765
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:52,875
which is not standard
for orthopedic surgeons.

1766
01:16:52,875 --> 01:16:54,916
- Education is the name of the game.

1767
01:16:54,916 --> 01:16:55,791
It's about learning.

1768
01:16:55,791 --> 01:16:57,083
It's about getting better.

1769
01:16:57,083 --> 01:16:59,250
- $200,000 worth of equipment in here

1770
01:16:59,250 --> 01:17:01,875
you can see we always
have the image broadcast

1771
01:17:01,875 --> 01:17:03,875
on the TV because it's
important for the patient

1772
01:17:03,875 --> 01:17:04,708
to know what we're doing.

1773
01:17:04,708 --> 01:17:06,416
We don't do any blind injections,

1774
01:17:06,416 --> 01:17:09,041
we know that the efficacy
of blind injections is only

1775
01:17:09,041 --> 01:17:10,750
about 50 to 60%.

1776
01:17:10,750 --> 01:17:12,416
When you add an image guided injection,

1777
01:17:12,416 --> 01:17:14,166
you can get the efficacy up to 100%.

1778
01:17:14,166 --> 01:17:17,750
- Going to the Mecca and
seeing exactly where all

1779
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:21,083
this stuff is being done and how it

1780
01:17:21,083 --> 01:17:22,416
was being done.

1781
01:17:22,416 --> 01:17:24,291
Just made me think this

1782
01:17:24,291 --> 01:17:26,750
is exactly what I should be doing

1783
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:28,291
exactly what I should be doing.

1784
01:17:30,791 --> 01:17:33,291
- We pay about $80 million a year

1785
01:17:33,291 --> 01:17:35,416
for health coverage for our employees.

1786
01:17:35,416 --> 01:17:38,875
And almost every medical
plan in the country

1787
01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:41,333
is under extreme stress.

1788
01:17:41,333 --> 01:17:43,166
Because of the rapid escalation

1789
01:17:43,166 --> 01:17:45,416
in costs across the board.

1790
01:17:45,416 --> 01:17:50,416
I took over as CEO on July one of 2007.

1791
01:17:56,250 --> 01:17:57,833
Over the last decade,

1792
01:17:57,833 --> 01:18:00,083
our compound annual growth in the cost

1793
01:18:00,083 --> 01:18:02,458
of running the plan is about four

1794
01:18:02,458 --> 01:18:03,416
and a half percent.

1795
01:18:04,416 --> 01:18:06,708
And that is less than half

1796
01:18:06,708 --> 01:18:10,291
of the national average through the leader

1797
01:18:10,291 --> 01:18:12,500
of our benefit activity.

1798
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:14,791
I became aware of research

1799
01:18:14,791 --> 01:18:19,333
that was being done by Dr.
Centeno and really asked for us

1800
01:18:19,333 --> 01:18:21,916
to take a deep dive into that,

1801
01:18:21,916 --> 01:18:23,208
and see if it might be

1802
01:18:23,208 --> 01:18:25,875
something applicable for our employees.

1803
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,750
We made the procedure available

1804
01:18:30,750 --> 01:18:33,083
as an option under our medical plan,

1805
01:18:33,083 --> 01:18:36,291
not a requirement, just an option.

1806
01:18:36,291 --> 01:18:38,708
And we began to track the results.

1807
01:18:38,708 --> 01:18:41,458
The procedures were
successful financially,

1808
01:18:41,458 --> 01:18:43,958
it is a big win for the medical plan.

1809
01:18:46,208 --> 01:18:50,583
Four years in roughly 80
employees have had some procedure

1810
01:18:50,583 --> 01:18:55,583
or another and all were
successful except for one to date,

1811
01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:59,791
the regenix cost of these procedures.

1812
01:18:59,791 --> 01:19:03,875
Plus all of the follow on
physical therapy claims

1813
01:19:03,875 --> 01:19:07,416
is roughly $425,000.

1814
01:19:07,416 --> 01:19:10,208
The surgical costs that were avoided

1815
01:19:10,208 --> 01:19:13,375
is roughly $1.6 million.

1816
01:19:13,375 --> 01:19:16,750
There are two broad categories
of stem cells, the legal camp

1817
01:19:16,750 --> 01:19:20,250
and the non legal within
the subset of non legal,

1818
01:19:20,250 --> 01:19:22,208
there are bad actors,

1819
01:19:22,208 --> 01:19:25,166
felons and fraudsters
and most importantly,

1820
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,083
patients who have been seriously harmed.

1821
01:19:28,083 --> 01:19:31,666
The bad actors in this
field tend to cluster on

1822
01:19:31,666 --> 01:19:33,250
these illegal procedures.

1823
01:19:34,500 --> 01:19:37,041
- [Reporter] Today, the
legitimate is being drowned out

1824
01:19:37,041 --> 01:19:40,333
by a tsunami of frauds, ex cons,

1825
01:19:40,333 --> 01:19:44,291
scammers and FDA labeled bad actors.

1826
01:19:44,291 --> 01:19:47,083
To really understand how this happened.

1827
01:19:47,083 --> 01:19:48,958
We need to understand the role that

1828
01:19:48,958 --> 01:19:51,416
social media promoters play.

1829
01:19:51,416 --> 01:19:53,916
One of the largest stem cell promoters

1830
01:19:53,916 --> 01:19:57,208
in the natural medicine
industry is Dan Pompa.

1831
01:19:57,208 --> 01:19:59,916
Stem cells are the future of
medicine, changed my world.

1832
01:19:59,916 --> 01:20:02,708
A former chiropractor who mirrors many

1833
01:20:02,708 --> 01:20:04,791
of the same sales strategies.

1834
01:20:04,791 --> 01:20:08,583
As the former TV evangelist
Jim and Tammy Bakker.

1835
01:20:08,583 --> 01:20:10,250
- Hi Tammy Faye.
- Hi Tim Bakker.

1836
01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:12,791
- [Reporter] You may remember Jim Bakker.

1837
01:20:12,791 --> 01:20:15,833
♪ Praise the Lord ♪

1838
01:20:15,833 --> 01:20:18,875
- [Reporter] He was a master
at selling to and raising money

1839
01:20:18,875 --> 01:20:21,000
from the evangelical audience.

1840
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,250
- You get up to a million
dollars of benefits

1841
01:20:23,250 --> 01:20:24,708
for a gift to $3,000.

1842
01:20:24,708 --> 01:20:26,666
- [Reporter] But he
stole from his ministry

1843
01:20:26,666 --> 01:20:28,583
became a felon for stealing,

1844
01:20:28,583 --> 01:20:32,000
but made this interesting comeback.

1845
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,750
- And its about time you
all pray for discernment.

1846
01:20:34,750 --> 01:20:37,583
- [Reporter] Today, Jim
Bakker blends a ministry

1847
01:20:37,583 --> 01:20:40,416
with selling an array
of health care products

1848
01:20:40,416 --> 01:20:43,750
by building trust with
his evangelical audience

1849
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:47,041
using references to God and politics.

1850
01:20:47,041 --> 01:20:48,791
- Because who you vote for,

1851
01:20:48,791 --> 01:20:51,083
and who are you don't vote
for or what you're doing,

1852
01:20:51,083 --> 01:20:52,416
it's life and death right now.

1853
01:20:52,416 --> 01:20:54,375
- [Congregant] Amen.
- In this country.

1854
01:20:54,375 --> 01:20:56,041
- [Reporter] In 2008,

1855
01:20:56,041 --> 01:20:57,916
Dan Pompa caught the attention

1856
01:20:57,916 --> 01:21:01,166
of a religion student at
the University of Pittsburgh

1857
01:21:01,166 --> 01:21:04,416
- Tomorrow I graduated with
my PhD in religious studies

1858
01:21:04,416 --> 01:21:05,916
from the University of Pittsburgh,

1859
01:21:05,916 --> 01:21:09,250
- [Reporter] Susie Meister's
mom told her I can't eat that

1860
01:21:09,250 --> 01:21:11,000
because it isn't God food,

1861
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,541
referring to a plan developed
by her mom's chiropractor

1862
01:21:14,541 --> 01:21:15,458
Dan Pompa.

1863
01:21:15,458 --> 01:21:17,958
- The healing guide consists
of no grains and no sugar.

1864
01:21:17,958 --> 01:21:19,583
- [Reporter] Susie studied Dan Pompa's

1865
01:21:19,583 --> 01:21:22,958
evangelical sales approach,
and he was the focus

1866
01:21:22,958 --> 01:21:25,583
of her 60 page master's thesis,

1867
01:21:25,583 --> 01:21:29,083
Work of the Lord, an
Ethnographic Case Study

1868
01:21:29,083 --> 01:21:31,583
of an Evangelical Entrepreneur.

1869
01:21:31,583 --> 01:21:35,166
Her papers cited how Dan
would use Christian rhetoric

1870
01:21:35,166 --> 01:21:36,916
to sell his services,

1871
01:21:36,916 --> 01:21:38,708
legitimize his practice,

1872
01:21:38,708 --> 01:21:41,500
and establish a trusting
relationship with his patient.

1873
01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:44,125
- The true cellular detox
is something and again,

1874
01:21:44,125 --> 01:21:47,208
I really believe this
is a revelation for me.

1875
01:21:47,208 --> 01:21:49,000
- And God always confirms to me

1876
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,250
that He's raising up a group

1877
01:21:51,250 --> 01:21:53,833
to answer the calling at hand.

1878
01:21:53,833 --> 01:21:55,500
- [Reporter] Pompa successfully markets

1879
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:57,250
his secular services,

1880
01:21:57,250 --> 01:21:59,333
by using the evangelical brand.

1881
01:21:59,333 --> 01:22:00,625
- God gives you these words,

1882
01:22:00,625 --> 01:22:03,250
man, and she just comes
at you hard and heavy.

1883
01:22:03,250 --> 01:22:04,083
That could still happen, so stick to it.

1884
01:22:04,083 --> 01:22:07,000
- I've been doing a lot of praying though,

1885
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,666
obviously for myself and our family

1886
01:22:09,666 --> 01:22:11,291
and for other people, too,

1887
01:22:11,291 --> 01:22:12,125
including all of you.

1888
01:22:12,125 --> 01:22:13,500
- Prayed for you this morning, we did.

1889
01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:14,333
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

1890
01:22:14,333 --> 01:22:16,583
- And it was ironic
because my wife and I were

1891
01:22:16,583 --> 01:22:18,458
in the room and I just got done praying

1892
01:22:18,458 --> 01:22:20,250
right before I came down here.

1893
01:22:20,250 --> 01:22:24,083
I'm not the only world
changer and again, chosen,

1894
01:22:24,083 --> 01:22:26,541
through from pain to purpose from God.

1895
01:22:26,541 --> 01:22:28,083
I'm here with Merily, my wife,

1896
01:22:28,083 --> 01:22:30,416
- [Reporter] Merily's
cousin had a request.

1897
01:22:30,416 --> 01:22:32,750
- She said, if anything
ever happened to us,

1898
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:33,791
would you take the kids?

1899
01:22:33,791 --> 01:22:35,750
And of course you say, yeah, of course.

1900
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:38,666
- [Reporter] It was the day
after Christmas in 2003,

1901
01:22:38,666 --> 01:22:42,916
around 8:50am, Les Young shot
his wife Lisa in the kitchen

1902
01:22:42,916 --> 01:22:45,666
several times with a 22 revolver,

1903
01:22:45,666 --> 01:22:47,416
and then walked into his living room

1904
01:22:47,416 --> 01:22:48,583
and shot himself.

1905
01:22:48,583 --> 01:22:50,291
- Two seven year olds.

1906
01:22:50,291 --> 01:22:51,666
Were in the house boy and a girl

1907
01:22:51,666 --> 01:22:53,416
or they're my children today.

1908
01:22:53,416 --> 01:22:54,916
These three boys,

1909
01:22:54,916 --> 01:22:59,125
Daniel was originally our oldest
right here, Daniel, Isaac,

1910
01:22:59,125 --> 01:23:00,625
put up your hand Isaac,

1911
01:23:00,625 --> 01:23:01,916
and then Simon.

1912
01:23:01,916 --> 01:23:04,000
These are our three natural children.

1913
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,333
And then we adopted Dylan and Olivia.

1914
01:23:06,333 --> 01:23:07,166
This is Olivia.

1915
01:23:07,166 --> 01:23:08,583
And that's Dylan over there.
- [Merily] And they're twins.

1916
01:23:08,583 --> 01:23:09,416
- Yeah.

1917
01:23:09,416 --> 01:23:10,791
- [Reporter] They had a will.

1918
01:23:10,791 --> 01:23:12,500
The kids weren't to have full access

1919
01:23:12,500 --> 01:23:15,083
to the funds until age 30.

1920
01:23:15,083 --> 01:23:18,125
They were seven when the
Pompa's became the fiduciary

1921
01:23:18,125 --> 01:23:19,125
of the trust.

1922
01:23:19,125 --> 01:23:20,083
- [Reporter] They're being charged now

1923
01:23:20,083 --> 01:23:24,416
for misusing the kids $1 million
Trust Fund to pay for homes

1924
01:23:24,416 --> 01:23:26,291
and other luxury items.

1925
01:23:26,291 --> 01:23:29,750
- When headlines read
chiropractor steals from orphans.

1926
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:32,791
Oh yeah, one of those orphans
is my daughter who Olivia,

1927
01:23:32,791 --> 01:23:34,291
who you'll get to meet

1928
01:23:34,291 --> 01:23:35,958
who just finished her first quarter

1929
01:23:35,958 --> 01:23:37,916
of chiropractic school.

1930
01:23:37,916 --> 01:23:39,541
Yeah, ask her.

1931
01:23:41,541 --> 01:23:44,333
Ask her how if those
headlines were accurate.

1932
01:23:44,333 --> 01:23:46,458
- [Reporter] Let's see if
the newspaper headlines

1933
01:23:46,458 --> 01:23:47,291
were accurate.

1934
01:23:47,291 --> 01:23:50,416
The DA's is office sent
the actual affidavit

1935
01:23:50,416 --> 01:23:52,916
which itemizes month by month exactly

1936
01:23:52,916 --> 01:23:55,583
how the Pompa's has spent
the orphans Trust Fund

1937
01:23:55,583 --> 01:23:58,458
from 2004 through 2009.

1938
01:23:58,458 --> 01:24:02,625
For example, in the
month of February 2005.

1939
01:24:02,625 --> 01:24:06,916
They took $77,000 from
the victims trust account,

1940
01:24:06,916 --> 01:24:09,791
over $56,000 of that money,

1941
01:24:09,791 --> 01:24:12,375
went to Merily Pompa that month.

1942
01:24:12,375 --> 01:24:14,583
This may remind you of another movie,

1943
01:24:14,583 --> 01:24:17,250
a fairy tale that's been
adapted for film over and over

1944
01:24:17,250 --> 01:24:18,083
and over

1945
01:24:18,083 --> 01:24:18,916
and over

1946
01:24:18,916 --> 01:24:19,750
and over

1947
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:21,500
and over again,

1948
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:24,458
where a stepmother and the
kids live off an orphans money.

1949
01:24:24,458 --> 01:24:25,416
- [Cinderella] Yes step mother.

1950
01:24:25,416 --> 01:24:28,791
- Oh you can't call me
that, madam will do.

1951
01:24:28,791 --> 01:24:31,166
- [Reporter] Or a Victor
Hugo's Les Miserables.

1952
01:24:33,458 --> 01:24:37,000
And how one couple milk Fantine
for all that she was worth.

1953
01:24:42,708 --> 01:24:45,000
The affidavit shows
how the Pompa's removed

1954
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,458
over $2 million from the trust,

1955
01:24:47,458 --> 01:24:50,916
leaving just $80,000
for the victim orphans,

1956
01:24:50,916 --> 01:24:53,791
who were then only 13 years old.

1957
01:24:53,791 --> 01:24:56,041
- There was a cost to
taking those kids on.

1958
01:24:56,041 --> 01:24:58,416
- [Reporter] The affidavit
reports how the informant

1959
01:24:58,416 --> 01:25:01,125
who we understand to be
the victims grandmother,

1960
01:25:01,125 --> 01:25:04,083
overheard the Pompa's
discussing bankruptcy.

1961
01:25:04,083 --> 01:25:08,583
And that was the event that set
the investigation in motion.

1962
01:25:09,458 --> 01:25:12,916
- All types of things
were brought against us

1963
01:25:12,916 --> 01:25:14,583
battles in the courts.

1964
01:25:14,583 --> 01:25:15,916
- [Reporter] Pompa's did follow through

1965
01:25:15,916 --> 01:25:17,416
with their planed bankruptcy.

1966
01:25:17,416 --> 01:25:18,583
- We lost everything.

1967
01:25:18,583 --> 01:25:20,416
- [Reporter] Pled guilty to the charges,

1968
01:25:20,416 --> 01:25:22,583
got a 16 year probation sentence,

1969
01:25:22,583 --> 01:25:24,625
but the papers report they only had

1970
01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:27,625
to pay back $1.4 million.

1971
01:25:27,625 --> 01:25:30,625
If you were the Pompa's,
where do you suddenly

1972
01:25:30,625 --> 01:25:32,875
make $1.4 million?

1973
01:25:32,875 --> 01:25:34,958
To put it back in the trust?

1974
01:25:34,958 --> 01:25:38,208
- Dr. Pompa's got another guest
that he's going to introduce

1975
01:25:38,208 --> 01:25:40,250
and he's gonna bring on stage.

1976
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:41,958
Brent Detelich.

1977
01:25:41,958 --> 01:25:45,250
He's gonna talk about the
next big thing in stem cells.

1978
01:25:45,250 --> 01:25:46,750
I can't do it justice, so Dr. Pompa,

1979
01:25:46,750 --> 01:25:48,000
you wanna come on up,

1980
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,041
everybody stand up,

1981
01:25:49,041 --> 01:25:51,708
give Dr. Pompa and Brent
a round of applause.

1982
01:25:51,708 --> 01:25:55,333
(congregants applauding)

1983
01:25:55,333 --> 01:25:56,875
- All right, y'all love it.

1984
01:25:56,875 --> 01:25:58,666
Yeah, you're gonna want to stand for this.

1985
01:25:58,666 --> 01:26:02,250
This next speaker is
a good friend of mine,

1986
01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:05,375
who is bringing is stem
cells to all of our

1987
01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:07,833
offices and we just had to do it.

1988
01:26:07,833 --> 01:26:12,833
We have the best product
of exosomes on the market

1989
01:26:12,958 --> 01:26:15,125
that our doctors are
going to be implementing.

1990
01:26:15,125 --> 01:26:17,250
And you're welcome to as well.

1991
01:26:17,250 --> 01:26:19,333
- But you will see so
many people out there

1992
01:26:19,333 --> 01:26:21,541
who are unfortunately promoting products

1993
01:26:21,541 --> 01:26:23,666
and not disclosing that fact.

1994
01:26:23,666 --> 01:26:27,083
And they may even have
a summit a docu series,

1995
01:26:27,083 --> 01:26:30,291
a podcast where you think it's news.

1996
01:26:30,291 --> 01:26:33,375
- Very, very, very important
lecture right here.

1997
01:26:33,375 --> 01:26:35,750
So Brent, thank you for
being here and your team,

1998
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:36,583
appreciate it.
- [Reporter] Yep,

1999
01:26:36,583 --> 01:26:41,208
that's the ex con and former
chiropractor Brent Detelich.

2000
01:26:41,208 --> 01:26:45,291
Brent already spoke to
the existing platinums.

2001
01:26:45,291 --> 01:26:47,833
- I got to spend time with the
platnum already this morning.

2002
01:26:47,833 --> 01:26:50,833
- [Reporter] This Platinum
membership and dance group costs

2003
01:26:50,833 --> 01:26:54,291
about $76,000 every couple years.

2004
01:26:54,291 --> 01:26:56,750
That's a lot of money
considering how both of

2005
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:59,916
these ex cons failed to
mention to the audience

2006
01:26:59,916 --> 01:27:02,000
how the FDA says it's illegal

2007
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,875
to treat your patients
with exosomes in America.

2008
01:27:05,875 --> 01:27:08,375
But anyone in the audience
could have just googled

2009
01:27:08,375 --> 01:27:10,375
the speaker's name Brent Detelich

2010
01:27:10,375 --> 01:27:12,750
and saw healthcare fraud conviction

2011
01:27:12,750 --> 01:27:14,333
in the top three hits.

2012
01:27:14,333 --> 01:27:17,583
What more could you expect
when going to a conference

2013
01:27:17,583 --> 01:27:19,750
where both host and speaker

2014
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:21,750
are ex cons for stealing?

2015
01:27:24,916 --> 01:27:27,708
- That's a great example
of how crazy things

2016
01:27:27,708 --> 01:27:29,041
are out there.

2017
01:27:30,083 --> 01:27:31,375
So we first have this video.

2018
01:27:31,375 --> 01:27:32,916
This is Ben Greenfield.

2019
01:27:32,916 --> 01:27:35,250
Now this rocket scientist allowed somebody

2020
01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:38,625
to inject stem cells into
his penis a while back,

2021
01:27:38,625 --> 01:27:43,250
which I blogged on which is insane.

2022
01:27:43,250 --> 01:27:45,083
Because we have not a
clue what that would do.

2023
01:27:45,083 --> 01:27:47,625
He claimed that it made
him physically bigger,

2024
01:27:47,625 --> 01:27:49,750
which doesn't even make common sense.

2025
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:51,750
He's been treated with getting

2026
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:55,583
a full body stem cell
makeover with exosomes.

2027
01:27:55,583 --> 01:27:58,208
It is absolutely positively
an illegal drug product.

2028
01:27:58,208 --> 01:28:00,625
It's made by culturing stem cells.

2029
01:28:00,625 --> 01:28:02,625
Obviously, we figured out a decade ago

2030
01:28:02,625 --> 01:28:04,875
that culturing stem cells was not legal,

2031
01:28:04,875 --> 01:28:07,583
but this company is floating the risk.

2032
01:28:07,583 --> 01:28:10,041
Now we have this doctor who's doing this

2033
01:28:10,041 --> 01:28:11,791
is Harry Adelson.

2034
01:28:11,791 --> 01:28:15,375
And Harry Adelson's actually a naturopath,

2035
01:28:15,375 --> 01:28:19,083
he's actually was trained by
real spine interventionalist.

2036
01:28:19,083 --> 01:28:20,250
But as a naturopath,

2037
01:28:20,250 --> 01:28:22,833
he's not allowed to do
any of these procedures

2038
01:28:22,833 --> 01:28:23,958
that you're seeing here,

2039
01:28:23,958 --> 01:28:26,666
he's not even allowed to
operate the X ray machine.

2040
01:28:26,666 --> 01:28:28,791
These are the facet joints into the neck.

2041
01:28:28,791 --> 01:28:30,708
So to get into any one
of these facet joints,

2042
01:28:30,708 --> 01:28:34,583
you'd have to come in at
oblique angle like this,

2043
01:28:34,583 --> 01:28:36,291
actually enter the joint,

2044
01:28:36,291 --> 01:28:39,000
inject a small amount of
contrast in each joint

2045
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,500
to make sure you're in the joint,

2046
01:28:40,500 --> 01:28:41,916
and then follow that

2047
01:28:41,916 --> 01:28:44,208
with the bone marrow stem cells.

2048
01:28:44,208 --> 01:28:45,583
And that's not what's happening here.

2049
01:28:45,583 --> 01:28:47,250
What Harry Adelson is doing

2050
01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:49,000
is just placing the needle somewhere

2051
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,333
in the vicinity of the joint on the X ray

2052
01:28:52,333 --> 01:28:54,541
and then the likelihood that he's in all

2053
01:28:54,541 --> 01:28:56,750
of those joints is slim to none and Slim's

2054
01:28:56,750 --> 01:28:58,166
on vacation in Texas.

2055
01:28:58,166 --> 01:28:59,250
So then you see,

2056
01:29:00,166 --> 01:29:03,166
Harry place all these
needles on the right side,

2057
01:29:03,166 --> 01:29:05,416
and then he just takes
the needles and moves them

2058
01:29:05,416 --> 01:29:07,083
to the left, same needles,

2059
01:29:07,083 --> 01:29:08,708
which is completely inappropriate

2060
01:29:08,708 --> 01:29:11,125
from a sterile technique standpoint,

2061
01:29:11,125 --> 01:29:12,791
because you're injecting a deep structure

2062
01:29:12,791 --> 01:29:14,791
so he would have to replace
all of these needles.

2063
01:29:14,791 --> 01:29:17,083
But he just uses videos from the right on

2064
01:29:17,083 --> 01:29:20,916
on to the left, again,
inappropriate, sterile technique.

2065
01:29:20,916 --> 01:29:22,125
But this is a naturopath.

2066
01:29:22,125 --> 01:29:25,250
What does he really know
about all of this stuff?

2067
01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:27,083
The answer is he doesn't know much.

2068
01:29:27,083 --> 01:29:29,666
- [Erin] Some of the big
names in our industry

2069
01:29:29,666 --> 01:29:31,166
promoted Harry Adelson.

2070
01:29:31,166 --> 01:29:34,375
And in fact, I got emails on the same day

2071
01:29:34,375 --> 01:29:37,291
from two different guys that are doctors

2072
01:29:37,291 --> 01:29:38,625
or calling themselves doctors

2073
01:29:38,625 --> 01:29:40,583
on the exact same day,

2074
01:29:40,583 --> 01:29:44,250
promoting Harry Adelson right
before he had a huge webinar.

2075
01:29:44,250 --> 01:29:46,000
The lab that we use is they take

2076
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,291
placental stem cells,

2077
01:29:47,291 --> 01:29:49,833
which are these very
young robust stem cells.

2078
01:29:49,833 --> 01:29:53,083
They forced them to
manufacture and excrete

2079
01:29:53,083 --> 01:29:55,125
these vesicles filled
with growth factors that

2080
01:29:55,125 --> 01:29:56,291
are called exosomes.

2081
01:29:56,291 --> 01:29:57,750
- And today, we have a very
interesting conversation

2082
01:29:57,750 --> 01:30:00,041
about a topic many
people are interested in,

2083
01:30:00,041 --> 01:30:01,708
which is stem cells

2084
01:30:01,708 --> 01:30:03,416
and something you may never heard about,

2085
01:30:03,416 --> 01:30:04,916
which is exosomes.

2086
01:30:04,916 --> 01:30:07,916
- I use PRP cells from fat and exosomes.

2087
01:30:07,916 --> 01:30:10,208
- Excited to try thank you
for offering this to me.

2088
01:30:10,208 --> 01:30:12,000
This is really the future of healthcare

2089
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,416
is regenerative medicine.

2090
01:30:13,416 --> 01:30:14,500
It's what functional
medicine is all about.

2091
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:18,583
- I don't know what their
business relationship is with him,

2092
01:30:18,583 --> 01:30:20,958
but it sure is at least suspic'.

2093
01:30:20,958 --> 01:30:22,875
- [Reporter] On Dr. Mark Hyman's promotion

2094
01:30:22,875 --> 01:30:25,583
of Dr. Harry Adelson and Dr. Killin

2095
01:30:25,583 --> 01:30:27,750
and their use of exosomes,

2096
01:30:27,750 --> 01:30:31,458
he makes sure you
understand he's the director

2097
01:30:31,458 --> 01:30:35,208
of the Cleveland Clinic Center
for Functional Medicine.

2098
01:30:35,208 --> 01:30:37,250
Is he implying that the Cleveland Clinic

2099
01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:39,625
endorses Harry Adelson breaking the law

2100
01:30:39,625 --> 01:30:42,875
injecting exosomes into Mark Hyman?

2101
01:30:42,875 --> 01:30:46,000
Dr. Hyman also promoted Brent Detelich,

2102
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,083
and Jeff Hayes's infomercial,

2103
01:30:48,083 --> 01:30:49,583
The Healing Miracle.

2104
01:30:49,583 --> 01:30:52,083
- Mark pharmaceuticals
is not really well loved

2105
01:30:52,083 --> 01:30:53,583
by our industry.

2106
01:30:53,583 --> 01:30:55,250
But if Mark tomorrow came out

2107
01:30:55,250 --> 01:30:58,708
with an FDA approved amniotic fluid,

2108
01:30:58,708 --> 01:31:01,416
or exosome product,

2109
01:31:01,416 --> 01:31:04,750
you know that these folks
would not be promoting it,

2110
01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:06,375
because they wouldn't get paid.

2111
01:31:06,375 --> 01:31:07,916
So it's really not about them making

2112
01:31:07,916 --> 01:31:10,458
these stem cell movies
which I refuse to promote.

2113
01:31:10,458 --> 01:31:12,250
It's about them making money.

2114
01:31:12,250 --> 01:31:14,208
- [Matt] I actually
have a distributorship.

2115
01:31:14,208 --> 01:31:17,958
And so I actually represent
full disclosure chimera

2116
01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:22,708
and they have the best exosome product

2117
01:31:22,708 --> 01:31:24,125
on the market by far.

2118
01:31:24,125 --> 01:31:26,541
- Dr. Mercola had wanted
me to see Dr. Cook

2119
01:31:26,541 --> 01:31:29,291
he lined me up with his
office seems like a nice guy

2120
01:31:29,291 --> 01:31:32,625
and I was going to do exosomes
amongst a few other things.

2121
01:31:32,625 --> 01:31:34,333
And then I wanted

2122
01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:36,500
to see if the company they
were getting the exosomes

2123
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:37,833
from had their IND.

2124
01:31:37,833 --> 01:31:40,833
- we started asking questions about them.

2125
01:31:40,833 --> 01:31:44,000
- And they said yes, Direct
Biologics has their IND.

2126
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,791
- He provided answers
that suggested that this

2127
01:31:46,791 --> 01:31:47,750
was an approved therapy.

2128
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:49,666
- [Reporter] The FDA says patients

2129
01:31:49,666 --> 01:31:52,916
considering treatment with
exosome products should

2130
01:31:52,916 --> 01:31:55,666
ask their clinician for the FDA issued

2131
01:31:55,666 --> 01:32:00,166
Investigational New Drug
application number called the IND.

2132
01:32:00,166 --> 01:32:01,791
- I wanted to see a face sheet on it

2133
01:32:01,791 --> 01:32:03,750
with the FDA on it to show that.

2134
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:06,666
- [Reporter] And the chance to
review the FDA communication

2135
01:32:06,666 --> 01:32:08,416
acknowledging the IND.

2136
01:32:08,416 --> 01:32:10,958
- We were on the phone
with Matt Cook, Dr. Cook,

2137
01:32:10,958 --> 01:32:13,291
and he explained that look,

2138
01:32:13,291 --> 01:32:14,500
they don't have an IND.

2139
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:16,291
This is Just a little bit of a gray area.

2140
01:32:16,291 --> 01:32:19,291
- [Reporter] An IND is
required because the FDA

2141
01:32:19,291 --> 01:32:23,500
says exosomes are drugs
regulated under Section 351.

2142
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:25,875
- So it began in this
natural health industry

2143
01:32:25,875 --> 01:32:28,375
where people would
promote healthy products,

2144
01:32:28,375 --> 01:32:31,416
diet lifestyle, healthy safe supplements

2145
01:32:31,416 --> 01:32:32,958
that weren't killing anyone.

2146
01:32:32,958 --> 01:32:35,958
But now they have started promoting drugs

2147
01:32:35,958 --> 01:32:38,750
and making entire
documentaries or infomercials

2148
01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:40,041
about these drugs.

2149
01:32:40,041 --> 01:32:42,458
Then they're not safe,
and they're not effective.

2150
01:32:43,708 --> 01:32:45,291
But what we really need to ask ourselves

2151
01:32:45,291 --> 01:32:46,791
is how this happened.

2152
01:32:46,791 --> 01:32:49,875
And to understand that we
need to know how documentary

2153
01:32:49,875 --> 01:32:53,000
or documentary series and summits work.

2154
01:32:54,375 --> 01:32:57,250
So how it started is with the summit's

2155
01:32:57,250 --> 01:33:00,541
and they would bring in
bloggers, influencers,

2156
01:33:00,541 --> 01:33:03,250
top public figures, authors,

2157
01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:04,250
best selling authors,

2158
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:06,750
and bring them in and interview them

2159
01:33:06,750 --> 01:33:08,875
and then have them promote
it to their audience

2160
01:33:08,875 --> 01:33:10,250
or their lists, so to speak,

2161
01:33:10,250 --> 01:33:12,083
or their social media platforms.

2162
01:33:13,041 --> 01:33:14,125
People can watch it for free.

2163
01:33:14,125 --> 01:33:17,166
If its a nine day docu series or summit,

2164
01:33:17,166 --> 01:33:18,750
they can watch all nine days for free,

2165
01:33:18,750 --> 01:33:20,916
and then afterward it's
available for purchase.

2166
01:33:20,916 --> 01:33:21,916
And in most cases,

2167
01:33:21,916 --> 01:33:23,625
they will give all the influencers,

2168
01:33:23,625 --> 01:33:26,416
about 50% of the money of the people

2169
01:33:26,416 --> 01:33:27,583
who signed up under them

2170
01:33:27,583 --> 01:33:28,583
who may purchase it.

2171
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,166
I shared my reports, and
on a lot of the reports,

2172
01:33:34,166 --> 01:33:36,541
they would show the people who were in the

2173
01:33:36,541 --> 01:33:37,583
top 10 or top 20.

2174
01:33:37,583 --> 01:33:39,583
And there may be 400 to 1,000,

2175
01:33:39,583 --> 01:33:41,166
or something that we're promoting

2176
01:33:41,166 --> 01:33:43,083
these particular docu series.

2177
01:33:43,083 --> 01:33:44,333
And they would show the people

2178
01:33:44,333 --> 01:33:46,791
that were getting the
most signups is usually

2179
01:33:46,791 --> 01:33:48,500
how it started out because

2180
01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:50,625
only later would people
buy it after it ended,

2181
01:33:50,625 --> 01:33:52,041
they would wanna watch it for free.

2182
01:33:52,041 --> 01:33:54,583
And there would be one
through 10 they usually show

2183
01:33:54,583 --> 01:33:57,541
the top 10 or 20 and have little contests

2184
01:33:57,541 --> 01:33:58,375
trying to get people

2185
01:33:58,375 --> 01:34:00,333
to do better of these influencers.

2186
01:34:00,333 --> 01:34:02,166
And they would send those to us like

2187
01:34:02,166 --> 01:34:04,625
on a daily basis during the time

2188
01:34:04,625 --> 01:34:06,708
that we were supposed to be promoting it.

2189
01:34:08,500 --> 01:34:09,750
They send out emails

2190
01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:11,750
and they even would tell us what to say.

2191
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:16,916
- [Reporter] In January 2020,

2192
01:34:16,916 --> 01:34:20,916
Revealed Films revealed to Aaron Elizabeth

2193
01:34:20,916 --> 01:34:23,458
that it paid out nearly $1 million

2194
01:34:23,458 --> 01:34:27,625
in affiliate commissions in 2019 alone.

2195
01:34:28,458 --> 01:34:32,416
At no point are the violators
disclosing to the viewer

2196
01:34:32,416 --> 01:34:34,833
that they are getting a sales pitch.

2197
01:34:34,833 --> 01:34:39,375
The audience believes it is
getting unbiased health news.

2198
01:34:39,375 --> 01:34:42,583
- But unfortunately now some
are just pure infomercials

2199
01:34:42,583 --> 01:34:45,333
promoting things where money
is being given under the table

2200
01:34:45,333 --> 01:34:47,791
- Doctors Centeno feels
responsible for the mess

2201
01:34:47,791 --> 01:34:49,958
that the stem cell industry has become.

2202
01:34:49,958 --> 01:34:52,750
And we feel a sense of
responsibility for the mess

2203
01:34:52,750 --> 01:34:54,333
in the docu series industry.

2204
01:34:54,333 --> 01:34:57,583
We are the pioneers of the
online health docu series,

2205
01:34:57,583 --> 01:35:01,083
and we actually had the term
trademarks for a few years.

2206
01:35:01,083 --> 01:35:03,250
We started back in 2014

2207
01:35:03,250 --> 01:35:04,375
with a Quest for the Cures,

2208
01:35:04,375 --> 01:35:07,083
and then we followed that up
with a Truth About Cancer,

2209
01:35:07,083 --> 01:35:08,000
a Global Quest.

2210
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,083
- In the beginning that
were great docu series

2211
01:35:10,083 --> 01:35:11,000
documentary series,

2212
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,083
some of my friends made them.

2213
01:35:12,083 --> 01:35:13,416
- Our films aren't infomercials

2214
01:35:13,416 --> 01:35:15,375
like many groups are pushing today.

2215
01:35:15,375 --> 01:35:17,125
We've always provided free access

2216
01:35:17,125 --> 01:35:19,916
and never gave long product pitches.

2217
01:35:19,916 --> 01:35:21,625
Our films are just truthful information

2218
01:35:21,625 --> 01:35:23,500
based on decades of research,

2219
01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:27,291
which began after we lost
seven close family members due

2220
01:35:27,291 --> 01:35:28,708
to a lack of knowledge.

2221
01:35:28,708 --> 01:35:31,541
It's our mission to simply save lives now.

2222
01:35:31,541 --> 01:35:35,708
- They spent hours or weeks
and months and years editing

2223
01:35:35,708 --> 01:35:36,875
these to perfect them.

2224
01:35:36,875 --> 01:35:38,541
- It was legitimate.

2225
01:35:38,541 --> 01:35:39,500
- But then unfortunately,

2226
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,125
people took that idea that
they coined and started...

2227
01:35:42,125 --> 01:35:43,416
- Then the bad apples

2228
01:35:43,416 --> 01:35:45,583
and the snake oil salespeople arrived

2229
01:35:45,583 --> 01:35:49,000
and they've really adulterated
the docu series platform

2230
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,416
that have given our
industry a bad names sadly.

2231
01:35:52,416 --> 01:35:55,375
Most of them have no
scruples and no integrity.

2232
01:35:55,375 --> 01:35:58,083
- And there is a problem in our industry

2233
01:35:58,083 --> 01:36:02,083
that are promoting these
summits or docu series

2234
01:36:02,083 --> 01:36:02,958
on like stem cells

2235
01:36:02,958 --> 01:36:05,833
that I refuse to ever
promote because of ethics.

2236
01:36:05,833 --> 01:36:07,250
- [Reporter] Horrified researchers

2237
01:36:07,250 --> 01:36:10,166
wanted out of Sara Sheehan's docu series

2238
01:36:10,166 --> 01:36:11,125
when it came out

2239
01:36:11,125 --> 01:36:13,833
that Mark Berman partially funded it.

2240
01:36:13,833 --> 01:36:17,583
Both Mark Barman and Kristin
Comella got screen time.

2241
01:36:17,583 --> 01:36:20,625
Both are labeled as bad actors by the FDA.

2242
01:36:20,625 --> 01:36:24,000
Both networks have caused
blindness yet look at the focus

2243
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:25,416
of the trailer.

2244
01:36:25,416 --> 01:36:28,583
- You know we're over 9,000
patients now the risks

2245
01:36:28,583 --> 01:36:30,291
that we have are virtually nil.

2246
01:36:30,291 --> 01:36:32,250
- To get the stem cells.

2247
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:34,125
What is the worst that could happen?

2248
01:36:34,125 --> 01:36:36,958
- The body serves them
away and ignores it.

2249
01:36:37,791 --> 01:36:38,750
- So no harm.

2250
01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:40,625
- After your stem cell treatment.

2251
01:36:40,625 --> 01:36:41,916
Were there any side effects?

2252
01:36:41,916 --> 01:36:43,416
- There were no negative side effects.

2253
01:36:43,416 --> 01:36:46,416
- [Reporter] It included
Mark Hyman and Harry Adelson.

2254
01:36:46,416 --> 01:36:49,083
- And what's shocking is
there are films then promoting

2255
01:36:49,083 --> 01:36:50,458
these exosome procedures.

2256
01:36:50,458 --> 01:36:53,250
- So this is a Pure
Revealed films interview

2257
01:36:53,250 --> 01:36:55,416
with myself and Jeff Hayes.

2258
01:36:55,416 --> 01:36:57,750
- [Reporter] In the summer of 2019.

2259
01:36:57,750 --> 01:37:01,583
We saw another stem cell
docu series that went out

2260
01:37:01,583 --> 01:37:04,208
of its way to promote exosomes

2261
01:37:04,208 --> 01:37:07,666
called Pain Revealed by Patrick Gentempo

2262
01:37:07,666 --> 01:37:09,875
and the ex con Jeff Hayes,

2263
01:37:09,875 --> 01:37:12,875
it profiled the Chief Science Officer

2264
01:37:12,875 --> 01:37:14,625
of Direct Biologics

2265
01:37:14,625 --> 01:37:17,333
that Manufactures exosomes.

2266
01:37:17,333 --> 01:37:20,791
- But even the Chief Science
Officer of the company

2267
01:37:20,791 --> 01:37:22,916
in the movie where they're
promoting, it says,

2268
01:37:22,916 --> 01:37:24,625
we haven't done any studies.

2269
01:37:24,625 --> 01:37:26,416
We have done no studies on this,

2270
01:37:26,416 --> 01:37:29,875
we feel that we are this 361 HTTP.

2271
01:37:29,875 --> 01:37:32,083
But the FDA could come in and say, no,

2272
01:37:32,083 --> 01:37:33,375
I think you guys are 351.

2273
01:37:33,375 --> 01:37:36,291
And you need to do these IND studies.

2274
01:37:36,291 --> 01:37:39,166
And so we are actually ahead of the game.

2275
01:37:41,708 --> 01:37:44,416
We have the studies all geared up to go.

2276
01:37:47,333 --> 01:37:49,916
- If you're a manufacturer
out there breaking the law,

2277
01:37:49,916 --> 01:37:53,208
as evidenced in these
stem cell documentaries.

2278
01:37:53,208 --> 01:37:55,541
- Now, I mean, I always say that, look,

2279
01:37:55,541 --> 01:37:58,375
my authority doesn't lie in my education.

2280
01:37:58,375 --> 01:38:00,708
My authority actually lies in my story.

2281
01:38:00,708 --> 01:38:03,000
- But how do we know these
guys aren't gonna be cutting

2282
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,958
other corners as well and
putting people in jeopardy?

2283
01:38:05,958 --> 01:38:08,708
- [Reporters] After people
required hospitalization,

2284
01:38:08,708 --> 01:38:11,583
the FDA made this public
service announcement

2285
01:38:11,583 --> 01:38:13,291
that it received multiple reports

2286
01:38:13,291 --> 01:38:16,666
of patients having serious adverse events

2287
01:38:16,666 --> 01:38:18,833
from unapproved products marketed

2288
01:38:18,833 --> 01:38:22,000
as containing exosomes and warned

2289
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:27,000
that currently there are no
FDA approved exosome products.

2290
01:38:27,166 --> 01:38:28,625
- We just don't wanna claim ourselves

2291
01:38:28,625 --> 01:38:30,916
as a drug before the FDA comes in

2292
01:38:30,916 --> 01:38:32,708
and says it so, we're keeping it

2293
01:38:32,708 --> 01:38:35,833
as a minimally manipulated sell factor.

2294
01:38:35,833 --> 01:38:37,541
- It is not legal and some doctors

2295
01:38:37,541 --> 01:38:38,916
will deceive their patients.

2296
01:38:38,916 --> 01:38:41,458
- [Reporter] Clinics and
manufacturers may claim

2297
01:38:41,458 --> 01:38:43,083
these products do not fall

2298
01:38:43,083 --> 01:38:45,916
under the regulatory provisions for drugs.

2299
01:38:45,916 --> 01:38:47,875
That is simply untrue.

2300
01:38:47,875 --> 01:38:51,500
- These exosomes are derived
from cells and culture.

2301
01:38:51,500 --> 01:38:54,416
Culturing cells is a
problem we found out about

2302
01:38:54,416 --> 01:38:56,250
that the hard way,

2303
01:38:56,250 --> 01:38:58,291
way back when it was decided

2304
01:38:58,291 --> 01:39:00,250
that we couldn't culture cells.

2305
01:39:00,250 --> 01:39:03,041
So now we've got companies who
are actually culturing cells,

2306
01:39:03,041 --> 01:39:05,375
which is illegal to get exosomes

2307
01:39:05,375 --> 01:39:07,208
and selling those exosomes.

2308
01:39:07,208 --> 01:39:08,666
So again, that's not going to fly

2309
01:39:08,666 --> 01:39:10,500
from a regulatory standpoint.

2310
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:13,916
- What we're doing is
we're growing the cells up

2311
01:39:13,916 --> 01:39:16,916
and we're collecting the growth factors

2312
01:39:16,916 --> 01:39:21,083
and the exosomes from those
cells and isolating those

2313
01:39:21,083 --> 01:39:22,583
without the cells,

2314
01:39:22,583 --> 01:39:25,000
then that's a different, right?

2315
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,708
We're providing therapy that's derived

2316
01:39:27,708 --> 01:39:29,916
from stem cells, and so
there's a difference,

2317
01:39:29,916 --> 01:39:31,416
I guess there's a stem cell therapy

2318
01:39:31,416 --> 01:39:33,416
and stem cell derived therapy.

2319
01:39:33,416 --> 01:39:36,500
And I think that's the
correct term would be

2320
01:39:36,500 --> 01:39:39,458
we're doing a stem cell derived therapy.

2321
01:39:39,458 --> 01:39:42,166
- [Reporter] How many of these
patients got sick because

2322
01:39:42,166 --> 01:39:44,916
of the fake news spread
in these infomercials

2323
01:39:44,916 --> 01:39:46,583
and by the influencers?

2324
01:39:46,583 --> 01:39:49,583
- How many of you did see The
Healing Miracle, the truth

2325
01:39:49,583 --> 01:39:50,416
about stem cells?

2326
01:39:50,416 --> 01:39:51,708
Raise your hand.

2327
01:39:51,708 --> 01:39:53,416
Okay, so that's something that myself

2328
01:39:53,416 --> 01:39:56,041
and my partner, Dr. Steve
funded, and when we did that

2329
01:39:56,041 --> 01:39:57,125
with Jeff Hayes,

2330
01:39:57,125 --> 01:40:00,125
and I put together all the
people that you saw on there,

2331
01:40:00,125 --> 01:40:01,541
and we interviewed him and that took us

2332
01:40:01,541 --> 01:40:03,416
about three months full time.

2333
01:40:03,416 --> 01:40:05,000
And we're now working on a new one with

2334
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,083
Dr. Patrick Gentempo,
how many of who that is?

2335
01:40:08,083 --> 01:40:11,500
And Yep, and what to expect
10 times the viewership.

2336
01:40:13,083 --> 01:40:16,750
- My partner and Revealed
Films co founder,

2337
01:40:16,750 --> 01:40:19,125
Jeff Hayes and I were in Florida

2338
01:40:19,125 --> 01:40:22,375
and we actually had
procedures done on ourselves,

2339
01:40:22,375 --> 01:40:23,541
while we were there.

2340
01:40:23,541 --> 01:40:25,958
We interviewed a lot of the developers

2341
01:40:25,958 --> 01:40:27,250
and experts on exosomes,

2342
01:40:27,250 --> 01:40:30,541
and it was the first time I
saw you light up and go, okay.

2343
01:40:30,541 --> 01:40:31,375
I'll get those.

2344
01:40:32,291 --> 01:40:33,500
- Here's the deal.

2345
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:36,541
The bad ones especially won't
promote anything in this

2346
01:40:36,541 --> 01:40:39,541
industry unless they make money.

2347
01:40:39,541 --> 01:40:41,750
- So this company that
we're gonna talk about

2348
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:43,416
.is called Direct Biologics

2349
01:40:43,416 --> 01:40:45,625
- So direct biologics is
where you're working now.

2350
01:40:45,625 --> 01:40:46,458
- Yes.

2351
01:40:46,458 --> 01:40:47,416
- And your role there?

2352
01:40:47,416 --> 01:40:49,166
- So I'm the Chief Scientific Officer,

2353
01:40:49,166 --> 01:40:52,916
and I'm involved with
scaling up the production

2354
01:40:52,916 --> 01:40:55,791
of the exosomes and the growth factors.

2355
01:40:55,791 --> 01:40:57,333
- So that's what we do on our clinics,

2356
01:40:57,333 --> 01:41:00,083
and we do that nationwide
600 clinics or more,

2357
01:41:00,083 --> 01:41:01,958
and we get phenomenal results.

2358
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,333
We have not done exosomes
in our company yet.

2359
01:41:06,333 --> 01:41:07,750
We released it last week.

2360
01:41:10,916 --> 01:41:12,375
- In many of my conversations,

2361
01:41:12,375 --> 01:41:15,583
exosomes seem to be
the most exciting topic

2362
01:41:15,583 --> 01:41:18,333
that most people who are
experts like yourself seem

2363
01:41:18,333 --> 01:41:20,041
to be interested in, why is that?

2364
01:41:20,041 --> 01:41:21,416
- And so all those patients come

2365
01:41:21,416 --> 01:41:24,791
to our call center we get
last month 1,000 patients

2366
01:41:24,791 --> 01:41:26,916
that wanted to get treatment.

2367
01:41:26,916 --> 01:41:28,208
So that's what we do.

2368
01:41:28,208 --> 01:41:29,916
- [Reporter] And here's how they did it.

2369
01:41:29,916 --> 01:41:31,791
This email was sent to promote

2370
01:41:31,791 --> 01:41:33,916
The Healing Miracle infomercial

2371
01:41:33,916 --> 01:41:36,750
that they called a docu
series to social media

2372
01:41:36,750 --> 01:41:39,416
influencers by Manny Goldman.

2373
01:41:39,416 --> 01:41:41,750
Manny was a co producer for one of the

2374
01:41:41,750 --> 01:41:43,958
industry's first docu series,

2375
01:41:43,958 --> 01:41:46,583
and Jeff Hayes and Brent Detelich got him

2376
01:41:46,583 --> 01:41:48,625
to promote their infomercial using

2377
01:41:48,625 --> 01:41:50,375
this established network.

2378
01:41:50,375 --> 01:41:52,791
They also created this Facebook group,

2379
01:41:52,791 --> 01:41:54,791
and made it look like it was generic,

2380
01:41:54,791 --> 01:41:58,583
objective information about
stem cells with a number

2381
01:41:58,583 --> 01:42:01,333
of administrators like Theresa and Brent.

2382
01:42:01,333 --> 01:42:05,583
But it turns out, it was just fake news.

2383
01:42:05,583 --> 01:42:07,500
When someone posted for help,

2384
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:10,041
Theresa would reply
with this referral link

2385
01:42:10,041 --> 01:42:12,750
to find a provider which
if you click through,

2386
01:42:12,750 --> 01:42:15,583
it takes you here, a different website

2387
01:42:15,583 --> 01:42:18,583
for the Healing Miracle and Dr. Centeno

2388
01:42:18,583 --> 01:42:21,541
completed it like he was
a patient and received

2389
01:42:21,541 --> 01:42:23,666
this email from Theresa.

2390
01:42:23,666 --> 01:42:27,041
Yep, the same who is one
of the administrators

2391
01:42:27,041 --> 01:42:29,750
for the supposedly generic Facebook page.

2392
01:42:30,875 --> 01:42:34,000
If you look up another
administrator Brent,

2393
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,250
he lists that he's a co
owner of the Healing Miracle.

2394
01:42:38,250 --> 01:42:41,000
When Dr. Centeno thought
this lack of disclosure

2395
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,333
was a problem.

2396
01:42:42,333 --> 01:42:44,166
Theresa said she would have the owner

2397
01:42:44,166 --> 01:42:47,583
of the page call him and
the person who called

2398
01:42:47,583 --> 01:42:49,416
was Manny Goldman,

2399
01:42:49,416 --> 01:42:51,875
the same who sent out
the original promotion

2400
01:42:51,875 --> 01:42:55,583
of the Healing Miracle to
the social media influencers.

2401
01:42:55,583 --> 01:42:57,125
- So that's what we do.

2402
01:42:57,125 --> 01:42:58,750
- So here we are.

2403
01:42:58,750 --> 01:43:01,791
Dr. Centeno is trying to
clean up his industry and we

2404
01:43:01,791 --> 01:43:03,916
are trying to clean up ours.

2405
01:43:03,916 --> 01:43:05,583
- We wanna be very transparent.

2406
01:43:05,583 --> 01:43:09,083
We have nothing to do
with any of these men

2407
01:43:09,083 --> 01:43:11,125
- In their latest money making endeavor,

2408
01:43:11,125 --> 01:43:13,625
Hayes, Gentempo and Goldman have teamed up

2409
01:43:13,625 --> 01:43:16,208
and formed a company named TATC,

2410
01:43:16,208 --> 01:43:19,833
in an apparent attempt to fool
people into thinking that we,

2411
01:43:19,833 --> 01:43:23,416
TTAC are somehow involved
because people actually trust us.

2412
01:43:23,416 --> 01:43:27,416
Their logo actually looks
very similar to our TTC logo

2413
01:43:27,416 --> 01:43:29,250
with similar font and they even mimicked

2414
01:43:29,250 --> 01:43:32,083
the three bullet points
at the bottom of the logo.

2415
01:43:32,083 --> 01:43:34,208
- We're getting to a point
where we just don't know

2416
01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:35,083
who we could trust.

2417
01:43:35,083 --> 01:43:37,041
- Well we wanna talk
about today is exosomes

2418
01:43:37,041 --> 01:43:39,333
big buzzword in the industry, right?

2419
01:43:39,333 --> 01:43:42,166
Exosomes, this exosomes that.

2420
01:43:42,166 --> 01:43:45,000
But the concept is that
you're putting something

2421
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,375
into activate your own system

2422
01:43:47,375 --> 01:43:49,416
because that's what this
stuff is spitting out.

2423
01:43:49,416 --> 01:43:52,958
Activate your own system
to heal and to repair.

2424
01:43:52,958 --> 01:43:55,666
Whether it does that,
it's still to be known,

2425
01:43:55,666 --> 01:43:57,083
we don't know.

2426
01:43:57,083 --> 01:43:59,666
- That's probably why you are working

2427
01:43:59,666 --> 01:44:01,250
on developing a product.

2428
01:44:01,250 --> 01:44:02,375
- Correct.
- To see if we can

2429
01:44:02,375 --> 01:44:05,375
bring to line bring online at Liveyon.

2430
01:44:05,375 --> 01:44:09,541
- A stem cell barks
orders out at other cells.

2431
01:44:09,541 --> 01:44:12,375
And those orders come in
the form of these exosomes

2432
01:44:12,375 --> 01:44:15,708
these things that the
stem cell throws off.

2433
01:44:15,708 --> 01:44:19,416
However, those orders are
specific to the context.

2434
01:44:19,416 --> 01:44:22,583
Meaning that the stem cell might say, hey,

2435
01:44:22,583 --> 01:44:24,083
I need a macrophage,

2436
01:44:24,083 --> 01:44:26,416
which is a cleanup cell to come in here.

2437
01:44:26,416 --> 01:44:28,291
Well, that's a specific order only

2438
01:44:28,291 --> 01:44:30,416
to be given a specific time.

2439
01:44:30,416 --> 01:44:31,875
So if you throw those orders in

2440
01:44:31,875 --> 01:44:33,750
when the macrophages aren't needed,

2441
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:34,916
which is what they're doing with

2442
01:44:34,916 --> 01:44:37,208
these exosome type therapies,

2443
01:44:37,208 --> 01:44:38,875
that's not gonna work.

2444
01:44:38,875 --> 01:44:41,416
- If a company takes them into a lab

2445
01:44:41,416 --> 01:44:44,875
and produces exosomes from donors,

2446
01:44:44,875 --> 01:44:46,916
then that is, in fact,

2447
01:44:46,916 --> 01:44:49,458
considered by the FDA to be a drug.

2448
01:44:49,458 --> 01:44:52,833
And therefore it should go
through a pre market application.

2449
01:44:52,833 --> 01:44:56,250
And you shouldn't be able
to see those for seven

2450
01:44:56,250 --> 01:45:00,250
or eight years if they're
following the rules for drugs.

2451
01:45:03,916 --> 01:45:06,500
- When he told me that I
did not get live stem cells

2452
01:45:06,500 --> 01:45:09,875
and he wanted to do a reinjection

2453
01:45:09,875 --> 01:45:13,541
of the Utah cord blood product.

2454
01:45:13,541 --> 01:45:16,916
- [Reporter] Dr. Centeno
blogged In April 2019,

2455
01:45:16,916 --> 01:45:18,958
about testing you Utah Cord Bank's

2456
01:45:18,958 --> 01:45:22,583
umbilical cord stem cell
product called Stem Vive,

2457
01:45:22,583 --> 01:45:25,916
and says they found no living stem cells.

2458
01:45:25,916 --> 01:45:29,458
Earlier, Utah Cord Bank
along with so many other

2459
01:45:29,458 --> 01:45:33,500
amniotic manufacturers,
boasted how their product was

2460
01:45:33,500 --> 01:45:37,625
independently lab tested
by DaVinci Biosciences

2461
01:45:37,625 --> 01:45:40,458
that showed it had stem cells.

2462
01:45:40,458 --> 01:45:42,750
But who is DaVinci?

2463
01:45:42,750 --> 01:45:45,541
This week a group of
abortion rights opponents

2464
01:45:45,541 --> 01:45:47,541
released a hidden camera video.

2465
01:45:47,541 --> 01:45:49,291
- So the video was secretly recorded

2466
01:45:49,291 --> 01:45:52,208
by the anti abortion group as
part of a two and a half year

2467
01:45:52,208 --> 01:45:53,208
sting operation.

2468
01:45:53,208 --> 01:45:54,583
- Showing Planned Parenthood

2469
01:45:54,583 --> 01:45:57,791
admitting even celebrating its practice

2470
01:45:57,791 --> 01:46:01,666
of harvesting the organs of
aborted fetuses for money.

2471
01:46:01,666 --> 01:46:04,083
- They pretended to be a company

2472
01:46:04,083 --> 01:46:06,666
that procures fetal tissue
from abortion clinics

2473
01:46:06,666 --> 01:46:08,291
and gets it to researchers.

2474
01:46:08,291 --> 01:46:09,250
- [Buyer] But so Deborah has said

2475
01:46:09,250 --> 01:46:11,583
that you guys are working with
a private biotech company.

2476
01:46:11,583 --> 01:46:14,416
- [Seller] Yeah, its DaVinci.

2477
01:46:14,416 --> 01:46:17,083
- This law suit is the first to be filed.

2478
01:46:17,083 --> 01:46:19,291
With respect to this
particular subject matter.

2479
01:46:19,291 --> 01:46:20,916
We're simply charging these defendants

2480
01:46:20,916 --> 01:46:23,500
with illegally selling hundreds

2481
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:26,583
of fetal tissue products for profit.

2482
01:46:26,583 --> 01:46:29,875
It's against the law to
intentionally sell human body parts

2483
01:46:29,875 --> 01:46:32,208
for profit, including
fetal tissue donations

2484
01:46:32,208 --> 01:46:34,291
obtained from abortions.

2485
01:46:34,291 --> 01:46:35,875
- [Reporter] The complaint builds its case

2486
01:46:35,875 --> 01:46:39,125
around the actions of the VP of research.

2487
01:46:39,125 --> 01:46:43,125
A Rafael Gonzalez PhD, he received his PhD

2488
01:46:43,125 --> 01:46:45,708
from the University of California, Irvine.

2489
01:46:45,708 --> 01:46:48,166
- Fetal products were
routinely sold at tenfold

2490
01:46:49,083 --> 01:46:51,375
or higher markup over their costs.

2491
01:46:51,375 --> 01:46:53,541
- [Reporter] One example
in the complaint shows

2492
01:46:53,541 --> 01:46:57,083
how Rafael Gonzalez said
there was no competition

2493
01:46:57,083 --> 01:46:58,750
for this product.

2494
01:46:58,750 --> 01:47:02,000
The cost was only in
the range of $40 a vial

2495
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:05,000
and thus he recommended
they raise the price.

2496
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:07,791
The VP of Sales agreed, noting.

2497
01:47:07,791 --> 01:47:10,583
- [Rafael] A 1,000% gross
does not seem unreasonable

2498
01:47:10,583 --> 01:47:12,166
based on infrastructure

2499
01:47:12,166 --> 01:47:13,958
and the lack of competition.

2500
01:47:13,958 --> 01:47:17,416
- [Reporter] They set
the price to $450 a vial.

2501
01:47:17,416 --> 01:47:19,416
- Now so just be clear Planned
Parenthood they're still

2502
01:47:19,416 --> 01:47:21,875
insisting its clinics did nothing wrong.

2503
01:47:21,875 --> 01:47:24,583
- Our evidence indicates no
money was never exchanged

2504
01:47:25,583 --> 01:47:28,500
between these companies
and Planned Parenthood.

2505
01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:32,083
- Rafael Gonzalez is the
first name you see on the

2506
01:47:32,083 --> 01:47:33,916
independent lab analysis

2507
01:47:33,916 --> 01:47:37,375
for the stem cell products for Liveyon,

2508
01:47:37,375 --> 01:47:42,291
He also appears as a regular
guest on Liveyon's podcast.

2509
01:47:42,291 --> 01:47:44,666
Another interesting coincidence

2510
01:47:44,666 --> 01:47:48,916
is how Liveyon's current
address is the exact same

2511
01:47:48,916 --> 01:47:51,333
as DaVinci's former address.

2512
01:47:51,333 --> 01:47:53,375
But that's not all.

2513
01:47:53,375 --> 01:47:56,791
- This is a three part
series that I'm doing.

2514
01:47:56,791 --> 01:47:59,500
- [Reporter] Dan Pompa
makes multiple videos

2515
01:47:59,500 --> 01:48:01,916
promoting Rafael Gonzalez.

2516
01:48:01,916 --> 01:48:04,791
- The first interview
which you're about to hear,

2517
01:48:04,791 --> 01:48:09,791
is I interviewed a
scientist Rafael Gonzalez.

2518
01:48:10,250 --> 01:48:12,875
- I'm in one of the top stem
cell clinics in the world

2519
01:48:12,875 --> 01:48:15,541
with some of the top researchers and fact,

2520
01:48:15,541 --> 01:48:20,541
I just interviewed Dr. Rafael
on a Cellular Healing TV.

2521
01:48:21,125 --> 01:48:23,250
Look out for that, some of the stem cells

2522
01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:24,291
that they're doing there,

2523
01:48:24,291 --> 01:48:27,458
I mean, unbelievable. I seek the best.

2524
01:48:27,458 --> 01:48:29,666
That's definitely the only
thing I'm gonna use for me.

2525
01:48:29,666 --> 01:48:30,750
- [Reporter] Yes.

2526
01:48:30,750 --> 01:48:35,750
Dan Pompa recommends abortion
profiteer Rafael Gonzalez

2527
01:48:36,083 --> 01:48:38,500
to his evangelical audience.

2528
01:48:38,500 --> 01:48:41,500
But he never mentions Rafael's role

2529
01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:46,250
of selling aborted fetal body
parts for a 1,000% profit.

2530
01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:47,708
- A lot of bad stuff.

2531
01:48:47,708 --> 01:48:48,541
There really is.

2532
01:48:48,541 --> 01:48:49,791
Yes, there is, I agree 100%.

2533
01:48:49,791 --> 01:48:51,791
- But there's a lot of
amazing stuff going on.

2534
01:48:51,791 --> 01:48:52,708
- Amazing stuff, right.

2535
01:48:52,708 --> 01:48:53,750
- And that's why I came here.

2536
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:55,583
So welcome to Cell TV.

2537
01:48:55,583 --> 01:48:58,166
- You'll see these people
calling themselves journalists

2538
01:48:58,166 --> 01:49:01,916
or doing podcasts where each
and every one people trust them

2539
01:49:01,916 --> 01:49:03,083
that they're bringing the news,

2540
01:49:03,083 --> 01:49:05,916
when in fact they haven't
disclosed they're getting paid

2541
01:49:05,916 --> 01:49:07,125
just to promote a product.

2542
01:49:07,125 --> 01:49:10,208
Their podcasts are nothing
more than infomercials.

2543
01:49:10,208 --> 01:49:12,208
- [Reporter] And goes to great effort

2544
01:49:12,208 --> 01:49:15,208
to make sure you click
the link below the video.

2545
01:49:15,208 --> 01:49:18,583
- I'll have your team have
put in there for the cell TV,

2546
01:49:18,583 --> 01:49:21,000
they put a link for Dr. Pampa.

2547
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,041
And what you get with
that with this clinic

2548
01:49:23,041 --> 01:49:25,083
is you get a free evaluation.

2549
01:49:25,083 --> 01:49:26,458
I will put the link in as a matter

2550
01:49:26,458 --> 01:49:28,416
of fact your clinic called Re Health.

2551
01:49:28,416 --> 01:49:29,458
- [Rafael] Rehealth.com.

2552
01:49:29,458 --> 01:49:32,166
- Yeah, I will put a link
in there because you offered

2553
01:49:32,166 --> 01:49:36,000
basically a free screening
that you all could get

2554
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:36,958
being my fans.

2555
01:49:36,958 --> 01:49:40,000
- [Reporter] One of the YouTube
comments to Dan's video came

2556
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,416
from an Australian named Darcy, who asked,

2557
01:49:43,416 --> 01:49:46,291
could you please indicate
if any commissions

2558
01:49:46,291 --> 01:49:48,583
are being given for referrals?

2559
01:49:48,583 --> 01:49:52,291
If so, what are the
Commission's being used for?

2560
01:49:52,291 --> 01:49:54,166
There was no reply.

2561
01:49:54,166 --> 01:49:56,666
It's been a long time since Jeff Hayes,

2562
01:49:56,666 --> 01:49:58,791
Brent Detelich and Dan Pompa.

2563
01:49:58,791 --> 01:50:01,708
Each received convictions in Pennsylvania.

2564
01:50:01,708 --> 01:50:04,041
Now, they are living the dream,

2565
01:50:04,041 --> 01:50:06,250
spending an intimate
Christmas Eve together

2566
01:50:06,250 --> 01:50:07,125
in Park City.

2567
01:50:07,125 --> 01:50:12,125
DaVinci Biosciences reached
a settlement for $7.8 million

2568
01:50:12,416 --> 01:50:14,750
in December 2017.

2569
01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:16,916
That included no jail time.

2570
01:50:16,916 --> 01:50:19,333
- Certainly it's a violation of the law.

2571
01:50:19,333 --> 01:50:22,000
But the law doesn't provide
any criminal penalties for

2572
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,916
this particular violation.

2573
01:50:23,916 --> 01:50:27,416
- You know. I've gone from
being a critic of that type

2574
01:50:27,416 --> 01:50:30,708
of control to a huge advocate for it.

2575
01:50:30,708 --> 01:50:32,250
Based on what I've seen.

2576
01:50:32,250 --> 01:50:34,750
- [Reporter] The FDA doesn't
have the bandwidth to deal

2577
01:50:34,750 --> 01:50:36,375
with the volume of misbehaviors.

2578
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:39,500
Patients must understand the law.

2579
01:50:39,500 --> 01:50:41,583
- It's always important for
patients to understand the law

2580
01:50:41,583 --> 01:50:43,625
but even more so today,

2581
01:50:43,625 --> 01:50:45,583
because they need to understand

2582
01:50:45,583 --> 01:50:47,041
when positions are attempting

2583
01:50:47,041 --> 01:50:50,500
to deceive them because
we are living in the wild,

2584
01:50:50,500 --> 01:50:52,583
wild west of stem cells.

2585
01:50:54,750 --> 01:50:57,250
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