WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:13.125 --> 00:00:15.625 (soft music) 4 00:00:30.166 --> 00:00:32.375 - [Reporter] Dr. Brent was naughty, 5 00:00:32.375 --> 00:00:34.750 and he talked his chiropractic patients 6 00:00:34.750 --> 00:00:37.208 into being naughty with him. 7 00:00:37.208 --> 00:00:39.875 Each month, he built an insurance company 8 00:00:39.875 --> 00:00:41.291 for chiropractic work 9 00:00:41.291 --> 00:00:44.416 that he did not perform on his patients. 10 00:00:44.416 --> 00:00:47.000 These patients just sat at home 11 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.541 when the insurance company sent reimbursement checks 12 00:00:49.541 --> 00:00:50.958 to these patients, 13 00:00:50.958 --> 00:00:54.375 Brent had trained these patients to bring the checks to him 14 00:00:54.375 --> 00:00:55.583 in his office, 15 00:00:55.583 --> 00:00:58.250 so he could split the payment with them. 16 00:00:58.250 --> 00:01:02.250 Next he trained another chiropractor to do it for him 17 00:01:02.250 --> 00:01:04.333 and he moved off to California 18 00:01:04.333 --> 00:01:06.166 and that substitute chiropractor 19 00:01:06.166 --> 00:01:08.541 mailed Brent's payments to him. 20 00:01:08.541 --> 00:01:10.458 It was a perfect plan, 21 00:01:10.458 --> 00:01:13.958 except the FBI was watching. 22 00:01:13.958 --> 00:01:17.625 They put Brent in front of a jury in Clearwater, Florida, 23 00:01:17.625 --> 00:01:21.166 where he was convicted of healthcare fraud and mail fraud 24 00:01:21.166 --> 00:01:24.333 and sentenced to three years in prison. 25 00:01:24.333 --> 00:01:26.250 How would Brent recover from this? 26 00:01:33.125 --> 00:01:35.583 Brent Detelich served as CEO 27 00:01:35.583 --> 00:01:38.250 of stem cell Institute of America 28 00:01:38.250 --> 00:01:42.250 and it built a large national network of chiropractors. 29 00:01:42.250 --> 00:01:43.916 He trained these chiropractors 30 00:01:43.916 --> 00:01:45.833 to be very creative. 31 00:01:45.833 --> 00:01:48.291 Instead of providing chiropractic services 32 00:01:48.291 --> 00:01:51.166 that they had received training for in school. 33 00:01:51.166 --> 00:01:55.083 They should inject amniotic stem cells into their patients 34 00:01:55.083 --> 00:01:58.250 from a bottle that his company sold to them. 35 00:01:58.250 --> 00:02:01.208 A product called PaliGen Flow, 36 00:02:01.208 --> 00:02:03.750 they could make more money than they ever dreamed 37 00:02:03.750 --> 00:02:05.958 of making as a chiropractor, 38 00:02:05.958 --> 00:02:10.875 but American stem cell pioneer, Dr. Chris Centeno, 39 00:02:10.875 --> 00:02:14.250 tested this PaliGen flow amniotic stem cell product 40 00:02:14.250 --> 00:02:15.500 in his lab, 41 00:02:15.500 --> 00:02:18.833 and found that it had no living stem cells in it. 42 00:02:18.833 --> 00:02:21.583 So, he created a short expose 43 00:02:21.583 --> 00:02:23.083 that questioned whether this 44 00:02:23.083 --> 00:02:26.250 was actually stem cell fraud. 45 00:02:26.250 --> 00:02:29.916 The expose cause serious problems for Brent, 46 00:02:29.916 --> 00:02:31.666 it revealed how Brent, 47 00:02:31.666 --> 00:02:33.750 who was convicted in federal court 48 00:02:33.750 --> 00:02:37.083 in Western PA teamed up with Jeff Hayes, 49 00:02:37.083 --> 00:02:39.583 who earlier was convicted in federal court 50 00:02:39.583 --> 00:02:41.333 in Northeastern PA. 51 00:02:41.333 --> 00:02:44.083 And together, they created huge ads 52 00:02:44.083 --> 00:02:47.416 in the chiropractor publications for a webinar 53 00:02:47.416 --> 00:02:50.083 where the ex con duo Jeff and Brent 54 00:02:50.083 --> 00:02:53.916 would show how their docu series called Stem Cells Unveiled 55 00:02:53.916 --> 00:02:56.833 would generate patients looking for stem cells 56 00:02:56.833 --> 00:02:59.791 and how chiropractors could join Brent's network 57 00:02:59.791 --> 00:03:02.833 at Stem Cell Institute of America. 58 00:03:02.833 --> 00:03:05.583 The attorney representing Stem Cell Institute 59 00:03:05.583 --> 00:03:09.416 of America sent Dr. Centeno, a demand letter, 60 00:03:09.416 --> 00:03:12.750 stating that Brent Detelich was no longer the CEO 61 00:03:12.750 --> 00:03:15.250 of Stem Cell Institute of America. 62 00:03:15.250 --> 00:03:18.666 As of the day that expose video was released, 63 00:03:18.666 --> 00:03:20.291 and as for their docu series, 64 00:03:20.291 --> 00:03:22.083 Stem Cells Unveiled, 65 00:03:22.083 --> 00:03:23.875 Jeff Hayes simply changed its title 66 00:03:23.875 --> 00:03:27.916 to The Healing Miracle the Truth About Stem Cells 67 00:03:27.916 --> 00:03:30.625 - And to propagate within that damaged area. 68 00:03:30.625 --> 00:03:33.250 - So you're really using your body's own 69 00:03:33.250 --> 00:03:34.416 sort of defense system. 70 00:03:34.416 --> 00:03:36.500 - Not just take care of injuries and diseases. 71 00:03:36.500 --> 00:03:38.791 - And things like Parkinson's, MS. 72 00:03:38.791 --> 00:03:42.916 - MS and Parkinson's and autoimmune conditions. 73 00:03:42.916 --> 00:03:45.083 - [Reporter] Who was Dr. Centeno 74 00:03:45.083 --> 00:03:47.083 and why was he playing the role of Sheriff? 75 00:03:47.083 --> 00:03:51.125 - Dr. Centeno he takes it upon himself to call things out 76 00:03:51.125 --> 00:03:54.041 in the industry that we find to be troublesome. 77 00:03:54.041 --> 00:03:55.916 - We have to police ourselves. 78 00:03:55.916 --> 00:03:57.083 There's too many of these things 79 00:03:57.083 --> 00:03:58.250 springing up right and left. 80 00:03:58.250 --> 00:04:01.500 - with clinicians that if you look at it carefully, 81 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:03.916 don't have the background, don't have the training, 82 00:04:03.916 --> 00:04:05.250 actually don't even have the understanding 83 00:04:05.250 --> 00:04:06.625 of the product that they're delivering. 84 00:04:06.625 --> 00:04:07.958 - There are doctors out there who 85 00:04:07.958 --> 00:04:09.458 are committing outright fraud. 86 00:04:09.458 --> 00:04:12.541 - [Reporter] Manufacturers intentionally misclassify 87 00:04:12.541 --> 00:04:13.750 their product, 88 00:04:13.750 --> 00:04:16.666 saving money by avoiding safety trials. 89 00:04:16.666 --> 00:04:19.250 These drugs are promoted by a giant network of 90 00:04:19.250 --> 00:04:21.208 social media influencers, 91 00:04:21.208 --> 00:04:25.250 who are paid undisclosed kickbacks for their promotions. 92 00:04:25.250 --> 00:04:26.500 It's a vast network 93 00:04:26.500 --> 00:04:31.083 of natural medicine bloggers, online stores, fake news, 94 00:04:31.083 --> 00:04:33.916 online summits and fake docu series. 95 00:04:33.916 --> 00:04:37.041 And the doctors participating are complicit in what 96 00:04:37.041 --> 00:04:39.875 is arguably a racketeering scheme. 97 00:04:39.875 --> 00:04:41.708 - Before when we would have people promoting 98 00:04:41.708 --> 00:04:44.416 healthy lifestyles or supplements, that's okay. 99 00:04:44.416 --> 00:04:45.833 But when you're promoting things that 100 00:04:45.833 --> 00:04:47.541 aren't even approved by the FDA, 101 00:04:47.541 --> 00:04:50.375 and in fact the FDA has said are not legal. 102 00:04:50.375 --> 00:04:52.750 That is an issue and people are getting injured. 103 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:54.833 - There are product manufacturers who 104 00:04:54.833 --> 00:04:57.166 are out there, who are manufacturing products 105 00:04:57.166 --> 00:04:58.333 under dangerous conditions 106 00:04:58.333 --> 00:04:59.750 and hurting people. 107 00:04:59.750 --> 00:05:01.458 - Injecting all types of products 108 00:05:01.458 --> 00:05:03.250 that don't even contain stem cells. 109 00:05:03.250 --> 00:05:04.333 - Well, I just wanna know how 110 00:05:04.333 --> 00:05:06.875 something can be called stem cell therapy 111 00:05:06.875 --> 00:05:09.583 when it doesn't contain any living stem cells, 112 00:05:09.583 --> 00:05:12.083 - Charging patients large amounts of money 113 00:05:12.083 --> 00:05:13.375 and just ripping them off. 114 00:05:17.916 --> 00:05:21.916 - My first horse I was about 24, 25 years old, 115 00:05:22.833 --> 00:05:25.000 bought him from bought her from my brother, 116 00:05:26.041 --> 00:05:29.041 and help break her 117 00:05:30.583 --> 00:05:31.625 fell in love. 118 00:05:33.375 --> 00:05:36.000 But I'm almost 70 years old. 119 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.083 I wish I didn't have the pain. 120 00:05:38.083 --> 00:05:41.250 I was really interested in stem cells 121 00:05:41.250 --> 00:05:45.250 and had done a lot of research that, wow, 122 00:05:45.250 --> 00:05:48.875 this could be the answer for me. 123 00:05:48.875 --> 00:05:50.708 - When patients usually come 124 00:05:50.708 --> 00:05:53.916 to me for a consultation. 125 00:05:53.916 --> 00:05:56.541 They've already been to three or four seminars 126 00:05:56.541 --> 00:05:58.666 - And then after the child was born, 127 00:05:58.666 --> 00:06:00.625 they're able to save the placenta, 128 00:06:00.625 --> 00:06:02.083 process that and then that's 129 00:06:02.083 --> 00:06:03.541 where we get stem cells from, 130 00:06:04.416 --> 00:06:07.833 the alternative to adult stem cells. 131 00:06:07.833 --> 00:06:10.250 - I'm Jason Dragoo an orthopedic surgeon 132 00:06:10.250 --> 00:06:11.833 and a stem cell researcher 133 00:06:11.833 --> 00:06:13.750 from Stanford University. 134 00:06:13.750 --> 00:06:15.208 - My name is Dr. Mike Voight 135 00:06:15.208 --> 00:06:16.750 and I'm a professor of physical therapy 136 00:06:16.750 --> 00:06:18.791 at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, 137 00:06:18.791 --> 00:06:20.250 and I also hold a professorship 138 00:06:20.250 --> 00:06:21.958 at Vanderbilt medical school. 139 00:06:21.958 --> 00:06:24.250 I teach in the orthopedic residency program. 140 00:06:24.250 --> 00:06:27.916 In addition to working in academia and research, 141 00:06:27.916 --> 00:06:29.166 which is my background. 142 00:06:29.166 --> 00:06:30.500 I also have clinical practice 143 00:06:30.500 --> 00:06:32.333 working at the Nashville Hip Institute. 144 00:06:32.333 --> 00:06:33.791 - I'm a veterinarian. 145 00:06:33.791 --> 00:06:37.416 I'm an equine veterinary surgeon at Cornell University. 146 00:06:37.416 --> 00:06:39.083 I have a PhD as well. 147 00:06:39.083 --> 00:06:41.125 I'm an active equine orthopedic surgeon 148 00:06:41.125 --> 00:06:43.708 and we've been working for a long time my laboratory 149 00:06:43.708 --> 00:06:46.250 to work especially towards arthritis. 150 00:06:46.250 --> 00:06:49.708 - You look at the percentage of the therapy offered 151 00:06:49.708 --> 00:06:53.708 to patients within the clinic throughout the United States. 152 00:06:53.708 --> 00:06:56.750 The number one stem cell treatment that is offered 153 00:06:56.750 --> 00:07:01.583 is amniotic fluid, amniotic tissue, 154 00:07:01.583 --> 00:07:05.375 amniotic cells, cord blood. 155 00:07:05.375 --> 00:07:08.750 Sometimes it's categorized as Courtney's jelly, 156 00:07:08.750 --> 00:07:11.166 these are all birth products. 157 00:07:11.166 --> 00:07:14.708 These are all products that are retrieved after delivery 158 00:07:14.708 --> 00:07:17.541 in the delivery room, 159 00:07:17.541 --> 00:07:20.500 and then are packaged as regenerative medicine. 160 00:07:21.333 --> 00:07:23.000 Well, here's the truth. 161 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.583 The truth is at this time, that number one, 162 00:07:26.583 --> 00:07:28.708 if you were a physician and you went 163 00:07:28.708 --> 00:07:30.833 into the delivery suite, 164 00:07:30.833 --> 00:07:32.458 and you harvested this tissue, 165 00:07:32.458 --> 00:07:36.583 there is actually a significant amount of stem cells 166 00:07:36.583 --> 00:07:39.916 and regenerative molecules, 167 00:07:39.916 --> 00:07:43.375 growth factors that are within these substances. 168 00:07:43.375 --> 00:07:46.083 And until we know that plenty of good science, 169 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:48.500 but then there's this other part, 170 00:07:48.500 --> 00:07:49.333 right and that is, 171 00:07:49.333 --> 00:07:52.041 well that's not a very clean environment. 172 00:07:52.041 --> 00:07:55.458 So how are we going to get this jelly? 173 00:07:55.458 --> 00:07:57.875 These cells, this fluid, 174 00:07:57.875 --> 00:08:01.375 prepared to be injected into patients. 175 00:08:01.375 --> 00:08:05.125 And the truth is now that during this process, 176 00:08:05.125 --> 00:08:09.958 essentially all of the quote stem cells are gone 177 00:08:09.958 --> 00:08:11.416 from the solutions. 178 00:08:11.416 --> 00:08:13.458 They can't live through the processing 179 00:08:13.458 --> 00:08:15.000 and sterilization techniques 180 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:17.166 that are required to put a vial on the shelf 181 00:08:17.166 --> 00:08:20.000 that's ready for injection. 182 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.333 - We did a comparison 183 00:08:21.333 --> 00:08:23.208 of nine different ammunition type products. 184 00:08:23.208 --> 00:08:26.458 Some were liquid products intended for injection straight 185 00:08:26.458 --> 00:08:29.875 into a knee or another area 186 00:08:29.875 --> 00:08:32.750 like a back or musculoskeletal area. 187 00:08:32.750 --> 00:08:36.000 And some are more like sheets where you're meant to, 188 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.875 for example, repair a rotator cuff 189 00:08:37.875 --> 00:08:39.666 or do a nerve graft. 190 00:08:39.666 --> 00:08:42.166 So we had nine products from four different manufacturers 191 00:08:42.166 --> 00:08:44.958 and our goal was really to do two things. 192 00:08:44.958 --> 00:08:48.083 One was to determine if there were any live cells 193 00:08:48.083 --> 00:08:50.166 in these products. 194 00:08:50.166 --> 00:08:53.625 So our study shows that none of the products, 195 00:08:53.625 --> 00:08:56.625 none of them have a single live cell in them. 196 00:08:56.625 --> 00:08:59.916 - The amnion has become talked about a lot 197 00:08:59.916 --> 00:09:02.458 because it's commonly plugged, 198 00:09:02.458 --> 00:09:07.458 and you've got these ill defined products being sold. 199 00:09:07.750 --> 00:09:11.750 And clearly the testing that's been done so far, 200 00:09:12.583 --> 00:09:17.583 both in Dr. Santana's lab and Dr. Fortier's lab is negative, 201 00:09:19.250 --> 00:09:22.083 at least that their stem cell product. 202 00:09:22.083 --> 00:09:24.458 They may have been useful in some other area, 203 00:09:24.458 --> 00:09:25.625 but it's not through 204 00:09:27.083 --> 00:09:28.375 stem cells. 205 00:09:28.375 --> 00:09:30.625 - So the stem cell injections that we utilize 206 00:09:30.625 --> 00:09:32.000 from the amniotic stem cells. 207 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:33.708 - There are no live cells that I can say 208 00:09:33.708 --> 00:09:36.208 with very strong conviction in the products 209 00:09:36.208 --> 00:09:37.250 that we tested. 210 00:09:37.250 --> 00:09:38.791 And they really love to say, oh, 211 00:09:38.791 --> 00:09:42.333 they're young stem cells because they come from amnion. 212 00:09:42.333 --> 00:09:43.166 So if they're young, 213 00:09:43.166 --> 00:09:44.083 they should be better. 214 00:09:44.083 --> 00:09:46.666 - Now tissues so much more active. 215 00:09:47.583 --> 00:09:50.625 - But the at least the ones that we tested suggest 216 00:09:50.625 --> 00:09:52.000 that there's not even a live cell, 217 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:53.250 let alone a stem cell. 218 00:09:53.250 --> 00:09:56.041 - [Reporter] In 1915, a government's chemist 219 00:09:56.041 --> 00:09:59.416 analyzed samples of a famous patent medicine, 220 00:09:59.416 --> 00:10:02.583 Clark Stanley's Snake Oil Liniment. 221 00:10:02.583 --> 00:10:05.625 The chemist found it did not have snake oil in it. 222 00:10:05.625 --> 00:10:08.541 It was a petroleum based product. 223 00:10:08.541 --> 00:10:12.083 Are today's manufacturers and doctors who promote amniotic 224 00:10:12.083 --> 00:10:13.916 or cord blood stem cells, 225 00:10:13.916 --> 00:10:15.541 committing the same type of fraud 226 00:10:15.541 --> 00:10:19.083 that snake oil salesmen committed 100 years ago? 227 00:10:19.083 --> 00:10:21.666 Can they use the term stem cells, 228 00:10:21.666 --> 00:10:23.833 like amniotic stem cells, 229 00:10:23.833 --> 00:10:25.833 or cord blood stem cells, 230 00:10:25.833 --> 00:10:28.166 when chemists who test it say they can't find 231 00:10:28.166 --> 00:10:29.458 living stem cells in it? 232 00:10:29.458 --> 00:10:31.875 - We had a salesperson come in and try 233 00:10:31.875 --> 00:10:33.625 to sell us one of these off the shelf, 234 00:10:33.625 --> 00:10:35.791 amniotic fluid type products. 235 00:10:35.791 --> 00:10:37.625 And I thought it was quite funny. 236 00:10:37.625 --> 00:10:40.666 And that they guaranteed to us that there 237 00:10:40.666 --> 00:10:44.250 was over 2 million stem cells or 2 million cells 238 00:10:44.250 --> 00:10:48.083 in this little vial of fluid that we would reconstitute 239 00:10:48.083 --> 00:10:49.958 with saline and do stuff. 240 00:10:49.958 --> 00:10:51.541 And I didn't buy it at the start, 241 00:10:51.541 --> 00:10:52.583 but there was no it was one 242 00:10:52.583 --> 00:10:54.166 of those things after a little discussion, 243 00:10:54.166 --> 00:10:55.875 we're just going to agree to disagree. 244 00:10:55.875 --> 00:10:58.625 I took the vial to our laboratory biochemistry 245 00:10:58.625 --> 00:11:00.208 and tested it. 246 00:11:00.208 --> 00:11:03.125 And the person was kinda half right at what they told me 247 00:11:03.125 --> 00:11:04.541 he was correct in one regard, 248 00:11:04.541 --> 00:11:06.833 there was 2.3 million cells in this vial 249 00:11:06.833 --> 00:11:07.666 that we had. 250 00:11:07.666 --> 00:11:09.375 But every one of those cells was dead 251 00:11:09.375 --> 00:11:10.458 when we test it, 252 00:11:10.458 --> 00:11:11.875 and when we went back 253 00:11:11.875 --> 00:11:14.500 to confront the salespeople about this, 254 00:11:14.500 --> 00:11:16.458 the only answer we got back was, well, 255 00:11:16.458 --> 00:11:18.083 we never said there was live cells in there. 256 00:11:18.083 --> 00:11:19.333 We just said there were cells. 257 00:11:19.333 --> 00:11:21.125 - So the stem cell injections that we utilize 258 00:11:21.125 --> 00:11:24.958 from the amniotic stem cells have the cytokines 259 00:11:24.958 --> 00:11:26.833 and growth factors, 260 00:11:26.833 --> 00:11:28.041 - The growth factors, 261 00:11:28.041 --> 00:11:30.500 growth factors have this very short life 262 00:11:30.500 --> 00:11:31.583 when they're there. 263 00:11:31.583 --> 00:11:34.875 And so you can imagine that if you prepare something 264 00:11:34.875 --> 00:11:36.166 that's gonna take care of some 265 00:11:36.166 --> 00:11:37.041 of the growth factors, 266 00:11:37.041 --> 00:11:38.958 they can't live through the process. 267 00:11:38.958 --> 00:11:41.375 And then it sits on the shelf and then undergoes 268 00:11:41.375 --> 00:11:43.250 some temperature changes and by the end, 269 00:11:43.250 --> 00:11:45.583 there's essentially nothing left. 270 00:11:45.583 --> 00:11:47.458 - My study get an amnio would suggest 271 00:11:47.458 --> 00:11:49.666 that those growth factors are not present 272 00:11:49.666 --> 00:11:53.125 in the nine amnion products that I tested. 273 00:11:53.125 --> 00:11:56.250 - So that is the most controversial in my opinion, 274 00:11:56.250 --> 00:11:58.750 the most controversial part 275 00:11:58.750 --> 00:12:00.250 of Regenerative Medicine. 276 00:12:00.250 --> 00:12:01.750 It's used the most, 277 00:12:01.750 --> 00:12:04.708 which has the very least data to suggest 278 00:12:04.708 --> 00:12:06.166 that it does anything. 279 00:12:06.166 --> 00:12:09.458 - [Reporter] When the FDA finds a violative manufacturer, 280 00:12:09.458 --> 00:12:12.958 they send out warning letters for the public, clinics, 281 00:12:12.958 --> 00:12:16.250 physicians, anyone who will listen to them. 282 00:12:16.250 --> 00:12:17.625 The problem is, 283 00:12:17.625 --> 00:12:20.250 the audience isn't listening. 284 00:12:20.250 --> 00:12:23.375 How many FDA warning letters have you read? 285 00:12:23.375 --> 00:12:25.791 - And we trickle it down to the general population. 286 00:12:25.791 --> 00:12:27.708 They have no clue what's going on there. 287 00:12:27.708 --> 00:12:31.875 - I had the injections and February of 2017. 288 00:12:31.875 --> 00:12:35.708 By June, I was back to taking painkillers again. 289 00:12:36.916 --> 00:12:37.916 This is the bad one. 290 00:12:38.875 --> 00:12:40.750 They told me I needed hip replaced 291 00:12:41.916 --> 00:12:43.875 over two and a half years ago. 292 00:12:43.875 --> 00:12:46.500 I really felt like it had made a difference 293 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:47.375 in the beginning. 294 00:12:49.250 --> 00:12:51.250 Come on, where's your ball 295 00:12:52.541 --> 00:12:56.041 to look back on it and talk with medical doctors 296 00:12:56.041 --> 00:12:58.375 who really understand these products. 297 00:12:58.375 --> 00:13:03.375 They said probably it was the anti inflammatory qualities 298 00:13:04.041 --> 00:13:08.833 of the injection, that helped me for a brief period of time. 299 00:13:08.833 --> 00:13:11.291 It wasn't the miracle that they touted, 300 00:13:11.291 --> 00:13:12.916 it might be. 301 00:13:12.916 --> 00:13:14.875 I'ma bust some water out. 302 00:13:14.875 --> 00:13:19.708 The seminars really hit hard about this pain, 303 00:13:20.583 --> 00:13:24.583 free lifestyle and regrowing your joints. 304 00:13:24.583 --> 00:13:27.916 - They are told by everyone that you 305 00:13:27.916 --> 00:13:31.166 are absolutely a candidate and it will cure your bone 306 00:13:31.166 --> 00:13:33.416 on bone arthritis. 307 00:13:33.416 --> 00:13:35.458 So we have to do a lot of education 308 00:13:35.458 --> 00:13:38.500 about what is appropriate and what is not. 309 00:13:38.500 --> 00:13:40.666 - They were also talking about 310 00:13:40.666 --> 00:13:45.333 how they were curing diabetes, Alzheimer's Protocol 311 00:13:45.333 --> 00:13:46.958 when it gets right down to it. 312 00:13:46.958 --> 00:13:48.333 Wouldn't it be on the news? 313 00:13:48.333 --> 00:13:51.166 - A 70 year old patient who came 314 00:13:51.166 --> 00:13:53.375 to me after being treated at one of these clinics, 315 00:13:53.375 --> 00:13:57.916 he paid $22,000 to get these stem cells 316 00:13:57.916 --> 00:14:00.875 which were not live stem cells injected. 317 00:14:00.875 --> 00:14:03.916 Three into his shoulder that were done without guidance, 318 00:14:03.916 --> 00:14:06.375 three into his six into his neck six 319 00:14:06.375 --> 00:14:07.875 into his lower back, 320 00:14:07.875 --> 00:14:12.083 which were done by like a retired GI doctor. 321 00:14:12.083 --> 00:14:13.833 Still in pain six weeks later comes 322 00:14:13.833 --> 00:14:15.208 to see me no one had ever 323 00:14:15.208 --> 00:14:17.916 ordered an MRI done an appropriate workup. 324 00:14:17.916 --> 00:14:21.875 And the guy had metastatic bone cancer all over his body, 325 00:14:22.791 --> 00:14:24.500 not as a result of the treatment, 326 00:14:24.500 --> 00:14:28.083 but certainly he was never gonna get better. 327 00:14:28.083 --> 00:14:29.458 He had a delay in the diagnosis 328 00:14:29.458 --> 00:14:31.958 'cause he wasn't seeing a medical doctor who is trained 329 00:14:31.958 --> 00:14:34.250 to actually figure out what was going on with them. 330 00:14:34.250 --> 00:14:36.916 Before considering these treatment options. 331 00:14:36.916 --> 00:14:38.541 - The patients will eventually get to us 332 00:14:38.541 --> 00:14:40.583 but what really bothers me in this process with 333 00:14:40.583 --> 00:14:44.541 ortho biologics is that potentially six months a year 334 00:14:44.541 --> 00:14:47.250 or two years can elapse by the time they end up 335 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:48.458 on my doorstep, 336 00:14:48.458 --> 00:14:50.250 at which case maybe the changes 337 00:14:50.250 --> 00:14:52.083 that we could have fixed 338 00:14:52.083 --> 00:14:55.791 with the proper dosage the proper administration biologics, 339 00:14:55.791 --> 00:14:58.875 now is a full blown Orthopedic Surgery case. 340 00:14:58.875 --> 00:15:00.750 - There's no blood work, there's no MRIs, 341 00:15:00.750 --> 00:15:05.000 there's really not a lot of diagnosis. 342 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.333 There's an awful lot of sales pitch. 343 00:15:07.333 --> 00:15:10.708 - [Chris] So here we have a chiropractor who has gone 344 00:15:10.708 --> 00:15:13.958 to a chiropractic consultant David Singer. 345 00:15:13.958 --> 00:15:15.500 - This is Dr. David Sanger. 346 00:15:15.500 --> 00:15:17.500 I'm sending you this video email to invite you 347 00:15:17.500 --> 00:15:19.333 to come and spend some time was made to learn 348 00:15:19.333 --> 00:15:21.458 how to do stem cell from A to Z. 349 00:15:21.458 --> 00:15:25.208 - And Dr. Singer has a training on basically how 350 00:15:25.208 --> 00:15:29.458 to improve your conversions at the seminars, 351 00:15:29.458 --> 00:15:30.583 - I can show you how to present it 352 00:15:30.583 --> 00:15:32.416 to your patients and educate them. 353 00:15:32.416 --> 00:15:34.458 So eight out of 10 will be happy 354 00:15:34.458 --> 00:15:35.666 to be able to purchase. 355 00:15:35.666 --> 00:15:37.583 - And after his class my conversion went up 356 00:15:37.583 --> 00:15:40.375 to 60, 70, 80% 357 00:15:40.375 --> 00:15:43.250 some days I'm even closing 90% of the attendees. 358 00:15:43.250 --> 00:15:45.750 - What you didn't hear obviously is anything about who 359 00:15:45.750 --> 00:15:49.083 is a medically appropriate candidate for these procedures. 360 00:15:49.083 --> 00:15:53.083 Obviously, some of the people at the seminars and based 361 00:15:53.083 --> 00:15:53.916 on what we've seen, 362 00:15:53.916 --> 00:15:57.750 probably half would not be even appropriate for the therapy, 363 00:15:57.750 --> 00:16:00.250 but she's closing 90% now. 364 00:16:00.250 --> 00:16:03.583 Again, this is more timeshare sales 365 00:16:03.583 --> 00:16:05.750 than it is actual medicine. 366 00:16:05.750 --> 00:16:06.916 - It people that are usually 367 00:16:06.916 --> 00:16:09.041 not classically trained physicians that are 368 00:16:09.041 --> 00:16:12.708 offering these neonatal birth products in a vial. 369 00:16:12.708 --> 00:16:14.416 - They don't have medical directors in there. 370 00:16:14.416 --> 00:16:16.208 They typically use nurse practitioners 371 00:16:16.208 --> 00:16:18.708 or physician assistants that work with chiropractors. 372 00:16:18.708 --> 00:16:20.541 - There's no safety and efficacy data 373 00:16:20.541 --> 00:16:21.750 that supports their use. 374 00:16:21.750 --> 00:16:23.875 There's no FDA approval around it. 375 00:16:23.875 --> 00:16:25.208 - Now, maybe down the road, 376 00:16:25.208 --> 00:16:27.083 there'll be a vial of stem cells 377 00:16:27.083 --> 00:16:28.708 from another person. 378 00:16:28.708 --> 00:16:30.375 But we're not there yet. 379 00:16:30.375 --> 00:16:32.500 If you can imagine that you're getting 380 00:16:32.500 --> 00:16:34.750 somebody else's cells and that's injected 381 00:16:34.750 --> 00:16:36.166 into your own body. 382 00:16:36.166 --> 00:16:37.916 Is there any dangers to that? 383 00:16:37.916 --> 00:16:42.541 Well, they might not be cable compatible with ours. 384 00:16:42.541 --> 00:16:43.666 But what else? 385 00:16:43.666 --> 00:16:46.583 What about that, that genetic message? 386 00:16:46.583 --> 00:16:50.750 What about if this other donor had more 387 00:16:50.750 --> 00:16:53.666 of a chance because of their genetic message 388 00:16:53.666 --> 00:16:55.250 to develop cancer, 389 00:16:55.250 --> 00:16:58.583 and your baseline chances of having that 390 00:16:58.583 --> 00:17:00.083 are much lower. 391 00:17:00.083 --> 00:17:03.000 Do we wanna take this genetic message from cells 392 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.250 that from another patient and incorporate it into ours? 393 00:17:06.250 --> 00:17:07.416 Because that's what happens. 394 00:17:07.416 --> 00:17:10.708 There's this give and take this cross communication 395 00:17:10.708 --> 00:17:11.875 with the cells that are injected 396 00:17:11.875 --> 00:17:13.000 into our own body. 397 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.083 So could that be the future? 398 00:17:15.083 --> 00:17:16.833 Absolutely, yes. 399 00:17:16.833 --> 00:17:18.208 Are we there now? 400 00:17:18.208 --> 00:17:19.041 No. 401 00:17:21.666 --> 00:17:23.083 - [Announcer] You may be told stem cells, 402 00:17:23.083 --> 00:17:24.791 including those from fat, 403 00:17:24.791 --> 00:17:27.791 amniotic fluid or umbilical cord like cord blood 404 00:17:27.791 --> 00:17:30.666 or Wharton's jelly, are a miracle treatment. 405 00:17:31.666 --> 00:17:34.375 You may even hear they're FDA approved. 406 00:17:34.375 --> 00:17:35.833 That is not true. 407 00:17:35.833 --> 00:17:38.375 - [Reporter] The FDA classifies human birth tissue 408 00:17:38.375 --> 00:17:40.791 stem cell products as drugs, 409 00:17:40.791 --> 00:17:42.583 requiring safety trials 410 00:17:42.583 --> 00:17:45.666 and pre market approval before human use. 411 00:17:45.666 --> 00:17:48.250 Beware, unapproved stem cell therapies 412 00:17:48.250 --> 00:17:50.125 have led to serious infections, 413 00:17:50.125 --> 00:17:52.458 blindness and death. 414 00:17:52.458 --> 00:17:56.083 The correct classification for these drugs is what's known 415 00:17:56.083 --> 00:17:58.000 as a 351. 416 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:02.083 It's a lengthy process and costs lots of money 417 00:18:02.083 --> 00:18:03.666 to save time and money. 418 00:18:03.666 --> 00:18:06.750 Violative manufacturers deceive the public 419 00:18:06.750 --> 00:18:10.625 and the FDA by misclassifying their stem cell products 420 00:18:10.625 --> 00:18:13.583 as a 361 with the FDA, 421 00:18:13.583 --> 00:18:15.625 what's a 361? 422 00:18:15.625 --> 00:18:19.083 For decades, the FDA has allowed manufacturers 423 00:18:19.083 --> 00:18:22.791 to register birth tissue products as a 361 424 00:18:22.791 --> 00:18:26.416 when its purpose was to provide structure or support, 425 00:18:26.416 --> 00:18:27.375 however, 426 00:18:27.375 --> 00:18:31.083 and this is important to understand when it relies 427 00:18:31.083 --> 00:18:33.875 on cellular activity like stem cells. 428 00:18:33.875 --> 00:18:35.875 The FDA says it's a drug 429 00:18:35.875 --> 00:18:38.916 and must be classified as a 351 430 00:18:38.916 --> 00:18:40.916 and go through human safety trials 431 00:18:40.916 --> 00:18:44.333 and be fully reviewed by the FDA. 432 00:18:44.333 --> 00:18:47.750 This is confusing for the public and media 433 00:18:47.750 --> 00:18:51.333 and violative manufacturers of stem cell products 434 00:18:51.333 --> 00:18:53.875 have taken advantage of that fact. 435 00:18:53.875 --> 00:18:55.750 - And those are things that patients need 436 00:18:55.750 --> 00:18:57.208 to look out for. 437 00:18:57.208 --> 00:19:00.083 If it is a allogeneic product if it's coming 438 00:19:00.083 --> 00:19:03.583 from something other than you and the manufacturer is saying 439 00:19:03.583 --> 00:19:05.416 that it is a stem cell product, 440 00:19:05.416 --> 00:19:07.333 that product needs to be approved 441 00:19:07.333 --> 00:19:09.458 before it can be put out onto the market 442 00:19:09.458 --> 00:19:11.583 - [Reporter] To lawfully market these products 443 00:19:11.583 --> 00:19:15.416 an approved biologics license application is needed. 444 00:19:15.416 --> 00:19:19.625 But the manufacturers are selling their drugs without one. 445 00:19:19.625 --> 00:19:21.541 - Now, the fact that it's out on the market 446 00:19:21.541 --> 00:19:25.250 without FDA enforcement is another matter entirely. 447 00:19:25.250 --> 00:19:27.291 - [Reporter] So violative manufacturers 448 00:19:27.291 --> 00:19:29.416 misclassify their product, 449 00:19:29.416 --> 00:19:32.500 labeling their stem cell product as a 361 450 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:36.958 instead of a 351 which allows them to make money today. 451 00:19:36.958 --> 00:19:39.041 Rather than perform human safety 452 00:19:39.041 --> 00:19:40.791 and efficacy trials, 453 00:19:40.791 --> 00:19:44.666 - They told me their success rate was above 80 454 00:19:44.666 --> 00:19:46.375 close to 90%. 455 00:19:46.375 --> 00:19:48.750 So I was under the impression it was gonna work. 456 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:51.458 - [Interviewer] What advice do you have for someone 457 00:19:51.458 --> 00:19:53.750 so this doesn't happen to them? 458 00:19:53.750 --> 00:19:58.208 - Do not use FDA approved stem cells, 459 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.375 they're not living. 460 00:20:02.541 --> 00:20:03.375 - [Interviewer] So wait, 461 00:20:03.375 --> 00:20:05.416 make sure they're using FDA approved? 462 00:20:05.416 --> 00:20:06.250 Is that what you're saying? 463 00:20:06.250 --> 00:20:08.541 - [Harold] No do not use FDA approved. 464 00:20:08.541 --> 00:20:09.375 - [Interviewer] Okay. 465 00:20:09.375 --> 00:20:11.041 - And I'm sorry to say it that way, 466 00:20:11.041 --> 00:20:15.083 but the FDA apparently approved for the stem cells 467 00:20:15.083 --> 00:20:17.041 that I was being injected with. 468 00:20:17.041 --> 00:20:19.958 So these doctors made money off of me 469 00:20:19.958 --> 00:20:22.166 and did not, 470 00:20:22.166 --> 00:20:23.541 it did not work. 471 00:20:23.541 --> 00:20:24.916 - [Interviewer] So you're under the impression 472 00:20:24.916 --> 00:20:29.916 then that the FDA has approved product you're injected with? 473 00:20:30.291 --> 00:20:31.458 - I'm under that impression. 474 00:20:31.458 --> 00:20:32.458 I don't know that for a fact. 475 00:20:32.458 --> 00:20:34.458 - [Interviewer] Why are you under that impression? 476 00:20:34.458 --> 00:20:36.875 - Because all things that go into your body 477 00:20:36.875 --> 00:20:39.083 have to be approved by the FDA. 478 00:20:39.083 --> 00:20:41.083 That's food and drugs. 479 00:20:41.083 --> 00:20:42.666 That's what they do. 480 00:20:42.666 --> 00:20:45.166 - [Interviewer] What if I told you that the injectates 481 00:20:45.166 --> 00:20:49.000 that you received did not have FDA approval? 482 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:50.291 - Well, then its illegal. 483 00:20:52.375 --> 00:20:55.500 Are you, they didn't have approval 484 00:20:55.500 --> 00:20:57.416 from the FDA to inject me with that? 485 00:21:00.500 --> 00:21:01.458 I didn't know that. 486 00:21:02.625 --> 00:21:03.750 - [Interviewer] You spent how much? 487 00:21:03.750 --> 00:21:07.375 - 14,000 on the stem cell and chiropractic work 488 00:21:07.375 --> 00:21:12.375 and another 2,000 for the the infrared belt that 489 00:21:13.541 --> 00:21:14.375 was supposed to, 490 00:21:15.791 --> 00:21:16.875 melt your fat. 491 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:22.458 I was desperate. 492 00:21:22.458 --> 00:21:25.833 I took the money and I put it in there to, 493 00:21:25.833 --> 00:21:27.708 so I could get back to work. 494 00:21:27.708 --> 00:21:29.541 I still haven't worked since. 495 00:21:29.541 --> 00:21:30.416 Since that time. 496 00:21:31.583 --> 00:21:34.125 I got the impression this was totally safe that there 497 00:21:34.125 --> 00:21:35.666 was no side effects. 498 00:21:35.666 --> 00:21:37.250 After I got my injection, 499 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:39.500 it was less than a week I started getting knots 500 00:21:39.500 --> 00:21:41.875 on the inside of my right knee. 501 00:21:41.875 --> 00:21:44.916 The registered nurse who had injected me, 502 00:21:44.916 --> 00:21:49.000 advised me to go to the doctors and get a biopsy, 503 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.166 went to the doctor. 504 00:21:50.166 --> 00:21:51.833 They refused to do the biopsy. 505 00:21:51.833 --> 00:21:54.083 Said let's treat it with antibiotics first. 506 00:21:55.291 --> 00:21:56.791 We did the antibiotics. 507 00:21:58.666 --> 00:22:01.083 It actually started running down this vein 508 00:22:01.083 --> 00:22:03.041 and hurts like a bruise when you touch it. 509 00:22:03.041 --> 00:22:04.541 - So that right there. 510 00:22:04.541 --> 00:22:06.916 - (gasping) Right there's hurt, yeah that hurts a lot. 511 00:22:06.916 --> 00:22:09.666 - Okay, there is the vein there. 512 00:22:09.666 --> 00:22:11.416 - It just, it's been 18 months 513 00:22:11.416 --> 00:22:13.166 since that just happened. 514 00:22:13.166 --> 00:22:16.291 And it got as big as a golf ball about that big. 515 00:22:16.291 --> 00:22:17.750 - And that was within a week 516 00:22:17.750 --> 00:22:20.625 and that had never happened before in your knee? 517 00:22:20.625 --> 00:22:21.791 - No. 518 00:22:21.791 --> 00:22:22.666 - Gotcha. 519 00:22:22.666 --> 00:22:24.958 Yeah, so right there is where there's swelling 520 00:22:24.958 --> 00:22:26.250 in the joint. 521 00:22:26.250 --> 00:22:28.166 There's a Baker's cyst there, 522 00:22:28.166 --> 00:22:30.375 they probably seated an infection 523 00:22:30.375 --> 00:22:31.583 into the vein, 524 00:22:31.583 --> 00:22:33.666 and there's veins all around here. 525 00:22:33.666 --> 00:22:34.916 And this particular one, 526 00:22:34.916 --> 00:22:37.666 all of it drains and comes together. 527 00:22:37.666 --> 00:22:39.750 This particular one got infected, 528 00:22:39.750 --> 00:22:41.416 and then obviously you took the antibiotics 529 00:22:41.416 --> 00:22:43.666 and the infection went away. 530 00:22:43.666 --> 00:22:46.083 That infection will harm the vein, 531 00:22:46.083 --> 00:22:48.500 meaning it will make the vein harder, 532 00:22:48.500 --> 00:22:50.500 because it's inflamed 533 00:22:50.500 --> 00:22:52.750 and it scars down a little bit. 534 00:22:52.750 --> 00:22:55.291 So that's probably what you've been feeling there. 535 00:22:55.291 --> 00:22:57.708 Whether it was the product that was infected, 536 00:22:57.708 --> 00:23:00.416 or just poor technique, I don't know. 537 00:23:00.416 --> 00:23:02.958 - Stuff injected in me was not approved by the FDA. 538 00:23:04.375 --> 00:23:05.333 I didn't know that. 539 00:23:06.916 --> 00:23:08.500 And there was no stem cells in, 540 00:23:08.500 --> 00:23:11.708 or no living stem cells, 541 00:23:11.708 --> 00:23:14.750 Doug described to the, 542 00:23:14.750 --> 00:23:18.583 the stuff that was injected is not FDA approved. 543 00:23:18.583 --> 00:23:20.750 It's a registered tissue. 544 00:23:20.750 --> 00:23:23.916 So all that means is that the company 545 00:23:23.916 --> 00:23:27.583 that sells it goes online 546 00:23:27.583 --> 00:23:31.125 fills out a 45 minute free registration form 547 00:23:31.125 --> 00:23:32.750 to say this is where we are 548 00:23:32.750 --> 00:23:35.208 in case you want to come inspect us. 549 00:23:35.208 --> 00:23:36.041 It doesn't mean 550 00:23:36.041 --> 00:23:38.250 that FDA has looked at it at all. 551 00:23:38.250 --> 00:23:41.041 In fact, it could be, 552 00:23:41.041 --> 00:23:42.708 it could be a little place 553 00:23:42.708 --> 00:23:44.416 in a strip mall for all they know. 554 00:23:45.625 --> 00:23:47.333 So it's not FDA approved. 555 00:23:47.333 --> 00:23:49.750 It's not FDA cleared. 556 00:23:49.750 --> 00:23:53.250 It just is registered in a form that says 557 00:23:53.250 --> 00:23:54.166 this is where we live 558 00:23:54.166 --> 00:23:57.833 and this is what we're doing if you wanna come take a look. 559 00:23:57.833 --> 00:23:59.333 So I can't and that's 560 00:23:59.333 --> 00:24:00.833 how we just have Liveyon, 561 00:24:00.833 --> 00:24:03.583 which is an umbilical cord product that was contaminated, 562 00:24:03.583 --> 00:24:05.083 put 12 people in the hospital, 563 00:24:05.083 --> 00:24:06.791 - [Announcer] And your future. 564 00:24:08.916 --> 00:24:11.916 - Follow me, it's easy to get lost around here. 565 00:24:11.916 --> 00:24:13.583 - I feel like regenerative medicine 566 00:24:13.583 --> 00:24:14.833 is my last option. 567 00:24:16.125 --> 00:24:18.791 Because if it's true I can't seem to heal, 568 00:24:18.791 --> 00:24:21.375 because my own cells aren't young and healthy enough 569 00:24:21.375 --> 00:24:23.458 to do their job. 570 00:24:23.458 --> 00:24:24.833 - That's exactly right. 571 00:24:24.833 --> 00:24:26.125 And that's why the introduction 572 00:24:26.125 --> 00:24:29.541 of Liveyon's new live cells back into your body 573 00:24:29.541 --> 00:24:32.250 is our newest scientific breakthrough. 574 00:24:32.250 --> 00:24:34.083 - The Regen Series. 575 00:24:34.083 --> 00:24:35.666 - It is our prize serum. 576 00:24:35.666 --> 00:24:37.250 - [Reporter] Recognize him? 577 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:38.750 That's Alan Gavick, 578 00:24:38.750 --> 00:24:41.750 who was profiled in Jeff Hayes and Brent Detelich 579 00:24:41.750 --> 00:24:44.166 infomercial, the Healing Miracle. 580 00:24:45.458 --> 00:24:48.208 Maybe this presentation could explain it better 581 00:24:48.208 --> 00:24:49.041 than I could. 582 00:24:50.416 --> 00:24:53.083 - [Announcer] What happens is Liveyon's live, 583 00:24:53.083 --> 00:24:56.541 new, vibrant cells go to work immediately. 584 00:24:56.541 --> 00:24:58.500 - There's nothing truthful at all 585 00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:00.125 about the process. 586 00:25:00.125 --> 00:25:03.875 By which this stuff is manufactured, marketed, injected. 587 00:25:03.875 --> 00:25:06.416 - And now we're starting to see the plaintiffs bar, 588 00:25:06.416 --> 00:25:08.250 develop in this area, 589 00:25:08.250 --> 00:25:10.708 filing different suits against the manufacturers of 590 00:25:10.708 --> 00:25:12.375 these allergenic products. 591 00:25:15.750 --> 00:25:17.750 - That we represent six people, 592 00:25:17.750 --> 00:25:21.958 all of whom received injections of a contaminated substance 593 00:25:21.958 --> 00:25:22.916 in their spine. 594 00:25:22.916 --> 00:25:26.000 And they were all conned into getting these injections 595 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.708 believing that this substance had, 596 00:25:28.708 --> 00:25:31.250 which contain millions of living stem cells. 597 00:25:31.250 --> 00:25:33.458 We've had it tested and it does not. 598 00:25:33.458 --> 00:25:35.250 - The product manufacturer is saying 599 00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:36.875 it's a stem cell product 600 00:25:36.875 --> 00:25:39.541 when it doesn't have any stem cells in it. 601 00:25:39.541 --> 00:25:42.875 - We get 300,000 stem cells. 602 00:25:42.875 --> 00:25:44.916 - It didn't contain any living stem cells, 603 00:25:44.916 --> 00:25:48.291 but it did contain a bacteria that lives in the 604 00:25:48.291 --> 00:25:51.000 intestinal tract of humans and animals. 605 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.083 In many cases, 606 00:25:52.083 --> 00:25:55.208 they actually implied if not represented that the substance 607 00:25:55.208 --> 00:25:56.958 was FDA approved. 608 00:25:56.958 --> 00:25:59.291 These treatments aren't approved by the FDA for 609 00:25:59.291 --> 00:26:01.125 injection for orthopedic use. 610 00:26:01.125 --> 00:26:03.958 - [Announcer] From an alternative medicinal offering 611 00:26:04.916 --> 00:26:09.083 to a medically accepted FDA approved treatment. 612 00:26:09.083 --> 00:26:11.083 - The whole thing was gonna cost $18,000. 613 00:26:11.083 --> 00:26:12.458 It wasn't covered under insurance. 614 00:26:12.458 --> 00:26:14.375 They told me if I couldn't afford it, 615 00:26:14.375 --> 00:26:15.583 they had a financing plan 616 00:26:15.583 --> 00:26:16.750 their in house plan. 617 00:26:16.750 --> 00:26:18.833 I went to the second procedure, felt like there 618 00:26:18.833 --> 00:26:21.583 was broken glass that you had replaced my disk 619 00:26:21.583 --> 00:26:22.750 with broken glass and I tried 620 00:26:22.750 --> 00:26:25.208 to cancel the third stem cell procedure. 621 00:26:25.208 --> 00:26:28.083 The doctors told me your stem cells were ordered last week, 622 00:26:28.083 --> 00:26:28.916 they're in the fridge, 623 00:26:28.916 --> 00:26:31.916 they're gonna die if you don't get them this Wednesday, 624 00:26:31.916 --> 00:26:34.333 with amount of money I'd put out. 625 00:26:34.333 --> 00:26:35.666 I just said we'll go and get them done. 626 00:26:35.666 --> 00:26:37.916 - Now is where it really gets exciting. 627 00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:41.416 When the stem cells begin to enter the body 628 00:26:43.208 --> 00:26:44.458 - [Announcer] Our umbilical cord derived 629 00:26:44.458 --> 00:26:47.000 adult mesenchymal stem cells are 630 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:50.541 independently tested to assure adherence to the 631 00:26:50.541 --> 00:26:53.416 industry's highest standards. 632 00:26:53.416 --> 00:26:56.166 - Then my body instantly told me bad idea. 633 00:26:56.166 --> 00:26:58.958 I'm crawling on the table. 634 00:26:58.958 --> 00:27:01.750 Moaning, they put me back to sleep 635 00:27:01.750 --> 00:27:04.416 gave me a epidural immediately to kill the pain. 636 00:27:04.416 --> 00:27:08.541 I ended up losing 40 pounds in just two weeks. 637 00:27:08.541 --> 00:27:10.750 Just with the time I had in bed I started Googling. 638 00:27:10.750 --> 00:27:12.000 I see the recall come up 639 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.458 from Liveyon, I called the doctor asked him about it. 640 00:27:14.458 --> 00:27:16.291 He told me has nothing to worry about 641 00:27:17.291 --> 00:27:18.583 that if I wanted ease my mind 642 00:27:18.583 --> 00:27:21.208 that we would actually call Liveyon Rep. 643 00:27:21.208 --> 00:27:22.666 So we reached out to Liveyon rep 644 00:27:22.666 --> 00:27:24.541 on three way with the doctor. 645 00:27:24.541 --> 00:27:25.708 He assured me that, 646 00:27:27.083 --> 00:27:29.000 everything's fine with Liveyon, 647 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.750 I'm just having some pain back there. 648 00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:31.583 - As we mentioned, 649 00:27:31.583 --> 00:27:33.583 this is bacteria that is normally found 650 00:27:33.583 --> 00:27:34.708 in fecal matter, 651 00:27:34.708 --> 00:27:36.583 - I'd make it to the hospital. 652 00:27:36.583 --> 00:27:38.666 They checked me in and tell me, 653 00:27:38.666 --> 00:27:39.791 I've got E.coli 654 00:27:39.791 --> 00:27:41.166 in my bloodstream. 655 00:27:41.166 --> 00:27:44.416 And if I had waited another 24 to 48 hours 656 00:27:44.416 --> 00:27:45.750 that I would have died. 657 00:27:45.750 --> 00:27:48.125 - [Reporter] The CDC identified as of now 13 patients 658 00:27:48.125 --> 00:27:52.916 who got sick after getting a stem cell injection. 659 00:27:52.916 --> 00:27:55.208 - Luckily, no patients died. 660 00:27:55.208 --> 00:27:57.583 - [Announcer] Ask your doctor how you can stimulate 661 00:27:57.583 --> 00:27:59.541 the healing from within. 662 00:27:59.541 --> 00:28:03.375 - I have some two patents on placental perfusion. 663 00:28:03.375 --> 00:28:07.666 So I learned how to recover stem cells 664 00:28:07.666 --> 00:28:10.375 from placenta the same way you recover viable cells 665 00:28:10.375 --> 00:28:12.083 from human livers, human kidneys, 666 00:28:12.083 --> 00:28:14.125 which I did for a few years, 667 00:28:14.125 --> 00:28:16.916 back around 2003 to 2006. 668 00:28:17.916 --> 00:28:18.833 And I've been in the field 669 00:28:18.833 --> 00:28:22.333 of primary cell culture for since the 80s. 670 00:28:22.333 --> 00:28:26.666 - The company that actually processed the stuff 671 00:28:26.666 --> 00:28:28.375 was called Gene Tech. 672 00:28:28.375 --> 00:28:30.833 - I got involved in Gene Tech through a friend 673 00:28:30.833 --> 00:28:31.666 of a friend, 674 00:28:31.666 --> 00:28:33.750 and I offered to help them set up 675 00:28:33.750 --> 00:28:38.750 a compliant system for making stem cells 676 00:28:38.916 --> 00:28:41.208 with for therapeutic use. 677 00:28:41.208 --> 00:28:42.916 They told me oh, we have a, 678 00:28:43.750 --> 00:28:46.416 an order from this company Liveyon. 679 00:28:47.375 --> 00:28:49.500 And I said, well, an order for what, 680 00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:51.541 and they sent me an invoice 681 00:28:51.541 --> 00:28:53.750 that said they were selling MSCs 682 00:28:53.750 --> 00:28:56.041 for intra articular injection. 683 00:28:56.041 --> 00:28:57.333 And I said, well, 684 00:28:57.333 --> 00:29:01.416 we don't make MSCs for intra articular injection. 685 00:29:01.416 --> 00:29:03.541 We're just getting started here okay 686 00:29:03.541 --> 00:29:07.458 and I don't even know basically what you're calling an MSc 687 00:29:07.458 --> 00:29:10.250 but if you really want to sell them something you can, 688 00:29:10.250 --> 00:29:12.000 but you have to do it for research use only 689 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.125 it can't be for human therapeutic use, 690 00:29:14.125 --> 00:29:16.666 because we don't have the systems required to do 691 00:29:16.666 --> 00:29:18.375 that kinda work. 692 00:29:18.375 --> 00:29:19.833 - [Reporter] The CDC said, 693 00:29:19.833 --> 00:29:23.500 though Gene Tech and Liveyon are registered with the FDA, 694 00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:27.458 such registration is not a form of FDA approval. 695 00:29:27.458 --> 00:29:30.833 FDA registration alone does not demonstrate compliance 696 00:29:30.833 --> 00:29:33.375 of firms or their products with the law, 697 00:29:33.375 --> 00:29:35.833 - The FDA inspected and then warned 698 00:29:35.833 --> 00:29:38.416 of the California manufacturer Gene Tech 699 00:29:38.416 --> 00:29:40.791 for marketing's stem cell products. 700 00:29:40.791 --> 00:29:42.791 Without FDA approval. 701 00:29:42.791 --> 00:29:44.750 - That's at the end of June 702 00:29:44.750 --> 00:29:47.125 that there's FDA inspection occurs. 703 00:29:47.125 --> 00:29:50.250 All of my clients received their injections after this. 704 00:29:50.250 --> 00:29:53.458 The earliest received his injection. 705 00:29:53.458 --> 00:29:57.416 About six weeks after the Gene Tech inspection. 706 00:29:57.416 --> 00:30:01.083 There were actually reports of for patients in Houston 707 00:30:01.083 --> 00:30:04.208 who had E.Coli infections following stem cells. 708 00:30:04.208 --> 00:30:05.625 And when I say reports, 709 00:30:05.625 --> 00:30:08.333 I mean, the doctors called Liveyon 710 00:30:08.333 --> 00:30:10.208 and said we've got a problem. 711 00:30:10.208 --> 00:30:12.458 We've got four patients in the hospital right now 712 00:30:12.458 --> 00:30:15.333 with E.Coli from your stem cells. 713 00:30:15.333 --> 00:30:18.541 That happened in on September the 17th. 714 00:30:18.541 --> 00:30:21.208 They didn't even ship the stem cells 715 00:30:21.208 --> 00:30:24.250 that Ron got until September the 24th. 716 00:30:24.250 --> 00:30:25.916 So they knew that they had a week's worth 717 00:30:25.916 --> 00:30:29.208 of knowledge that they had a serious problem in Houston. 718 00:30:29.208 --> 00:30:31.041 They had people in the hospital, 719 00:30:31.041 --> 00:30:32.750 and yet they're still selling this stuff. 720 00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:35.083 There was no was there a feedback loop? 721 00:30:35.083 --> 00:30:36.416 Yeah, there was a feedback loop. 722 00:30:36.416 --> 00:30:37.250 Did it work? 723 00:30:37.250 --> 00:30:38.375 Well, by got the feedback. 724 00:30:38.375 --> 00:30:40.041 They just didn't act on it. 725 00:30:40.041 --> 00:30:41.083 - But I believe they did say 726 00:30:41.083 --> 00:30:43.583 that they had reached out to everyone 727 00:30:43.583 --> 00:30:45.958 who had potentially contaminated vials 728 00:30:45.958 --> 00:30:48.083 to recall it. 729 00:30:48.083 --> 00:30:50.250 But apparently that didn't happen. 730 00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:51.291 - They claimed to have done that. 731 00:30:51.291 --> 00:30:52.125 - Right. 732 00:30:52.125 --> 00:30:52.958 Right. 733 00:30:52.958 --> 00:30:53.916 Right. 734 00:30:53.916 --> 00:30:58.083 - [Interviewer] But then they shipped it afterwards. 735 00:30:58.083 --> 00:30:59.083 - They shipped it afterwards, 736 00:30:59.083 --> 00:31:02.083 they shipped it after they knew that they had a problem. 737 00:31:02.083 --> 00:31:03.583 - Couldn't get a hold of the doctors. 738 00:31:03.583 --> 00:31:04.708 About four days later, 739 00:31:04.708 --> 00:31:06.166 I actually got ahold of one doctor, 740 00:31:06.166 --> 00:31:08.166 he told me that he needed to get away. 741 00:31:08.166 --> 00:31:09.958 So he was in New York at the time, 742 00:31:09.958 --> 00:31:12.875 things were just too stressful in Houston for him. 743 00:31:12.875 --> 00:31:15.166 And I'm here in dying in bed just want answers. 744 00:31:15.166 --> 00:31:17.083 And they're nowhere to be found 745 00:31:17.083 --> 00:31:18.458 - When we first started learning 746 00:31:18.458 --> 00:31:21.375 about Liveyon and investigating who 747 00:31:21.375 --> 00:31:24.458 was running Liveyon, it was interesting that none 748 00:31:24.458 --> 00:31:29.458 of the leadership had medical degrees or even relevant PhDs 749 00:31:30.833 --> 00:31:32.208 that you would expect for 750 00:31:32.208 --> 00:31:35.250 someone running a stem cell company. 751 00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:36.166 - [Announcer] And you want to do with this 752 00:31:36.166 --> 00:31:39.416 is kinda like bringing creativity and science together. 753 00:31:39.416 --> 00:31:41.958 We were able to have like cinematical. 754 00:31:43.083 --> 00:31:46.083 To a very dry industry to kinda give it some life 755 00:31:46.083 --> 00:31:47.291 because that's what Liveyon 756 00:31:47.291 --> 00:31:49.250 is all about bringing life to people. 757 00:31:49.250 --> 00:31:52.416 - [Reporter] This is the CEO of Liveyon, 758 00:31:52.416 --> 00:31:55.625 John Kosolcharoen who at age 41, 759 00:31:55.625 --> 00:31:57.166 had this problem with the SEC, 760 00:31:58.208 --> 00:31:59.541 and at age 44, 761 00:31:59.541 --> 00:32:02.208 he was arrested for healthcare fraud charged 762 00:32:02.208 --> 00:32:05.125 with paying kickbacks for his work with the pharmacy. 763 00:32:05.125 --> 00:32:08.750 Here he is with Brent Detelich and Jeff Hayes. 764 00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:11.375 Brent Detelich shared this Facebook memory 765 00:32:11.375 --> 00:32:15.041 just after Gene Tech failed its FDA inspection 766 00:32:15.041 --> 00:32:17.750 and two months before Brian received his tainted 767 00:32:17.750 --> 00:32:20.041 Liveyon stem cell injection 768 00:32:20.041 --> 00:32:22.083 that didn't have stem cells in it, 769 00:32:22.083 --> 00:32:24.541 but did have human fecal matter. 770 00:32:24.541 --> 00:32:25.500 Nuff said. 771 00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:28.791 - John Kosolcharoen is a businessman 772 00:32:28.791 --> 00:32:30.875 who's had several brushes with the law. 773 00:32:30.875 --> 00:32:33.708 His chief of medical education, 774 00:32:33.708 --> 00:32:37.375 I believe is the title that Dr. Gavin has. 775 00:32:37.375 --> 00:32:39.625 Dr. Gavin is not a stem cell biologist 776 00:32:39.625 --> 00:32:41.791 but he's been in the field for some time. 777 00:32:41.791 --> 00:32:44.250 He's actually a former podiatrist. 778 00:32:44.250 --> 00:32:47.666 - He surrendered his license in 2007 after he 779 00:32:47.666 --> 00:32:49.541 was just sued for malpractice. 780 00:32:49.541 --> 00:32:53.666 - [Reporter] So Alan Gavin has a problem being careful. 781 00:32:53.666 --> 00:32:55.291 Not a good weakness to have 782 00:32:55.291 --> 00:32:57.458 working for a healthcare manufacturer. 783 00:32:57.458 --> 00:33:00.583 - Interestingly, the scope of a podiatrist practice 784 00:33:00.583 --> 00:33:02.000 ends at the ankle. 785 00:33:02.916 --> 00:33:06.666 And this guy's passed himself off as an expert 786 00:33:06.666 --> 00:33:11.083 in stem cell biology and science, 787 00:33:11.083 --> 00:33:13.208 which is also true with the chiropractors 788 00:33:13.208 --> 00:33:14.041 that they're marketing 789 00:33:14.041 --> 00:33:16.041 to the chiropractors can't even legally 790 00:33:16.041 --> 00:33:17.375 inject the stuff they have 791 00:33:17.375 --> 00:33:19.916 to hire other people do it yet they pass themselves 792 00:33:19.916 --> 00:33:22.958 off as experts in stem cell science. 793 00:33:22.958 --> 00:33:25.916 - He walks up and he hands me a paper and says, Brian, 794 00:33:25.916 --> 00:33:29.583 by the way, there's been a recall on Liveyon stem cells. 795 00:33:29.583 --> 00:33:31.166 And I mean, I'm drugged up, 796 00:33:31.166 --> 00:33:33.666 I've been antibiotics all day. 797 00:33:33.666 --> 00:33:35.416 I'm tired, I'm hurt. 798 00:33:35.416 --> 00:33:38.375 A lot of medications, he says. 799 00:33:38.375 --> 00:33:40.958 So what they're willing to do is they're willing to give you 800 00:33:40.958 --> 00:33:42.291 some more stem cells. 801 00:33:42.291 --> 00:33:44.333 And I said, well, I don't want any more stem cells. 802 00:33:44.333 --> 00:33:46.958 I would just like a refund of $18,000. 803 00:33:46.958 --> 00:33:48.708 He said, well, that's the thing Brian, 804 00:33:48.708 --> 00:33:51.625 Liveyon is willing to give you new stem cells, 805 00:33:51.625 --> 00:33:53.333 the same 60 million that we gave you, 806 00:33:53.333 --> 00:33:56.375 but they're not willing to give refunds 807 00:33:56.375 --> 00:33:59.291 and that caught me that then kind of let me know 808 00:33:59.291 --> 00:34:01.250 who I was dealing with. 809 00:34:01.250 --> 00:34:03.250 And what was going on there. 810 00:34:03.250 --> 00:34:05.083 - I've seen other similar cases too. 811 00:34:05.083 --> 00:34:09.250 I've spoken with a patient in Arizona, 812 00:34:09.250 --> 00:34:12.208 who was given six monthly injections 813 00:34:12.208 --> 00:34:15.666 of a allergenic product there. 814 00:34:15.666 --> 00:34:19.333 And as a result he contracted conditions 815 00:34:19.333 --> 00:34:22.708 that were similar to lupus, 816 00:34:22.708 --> 00:34:24.750 and to myelofibrosis, 817 00:34:24.750 --> 00:34:25.791 which only went away 818 00:34:25.791 --> 00:34:28.666 after he stopped receiving the injections. 819 00:34:28.666 --> 00:34:31.083 The concern now with that patient is 820 00:34:31.083 --> 00:34:34.000 that he has mad cow disease. 821 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.916 - It was when I found this article by Dr. Centeno, 822 00:34:36.916 --> 00:34:40.083 and it was called the Amniotic Cord Bait and Switch. 823 00:34:40.083 --> 00:34:43.166 And I said and I had just asked my husband, 824 00:34:43.166 --> 00:34:44.375 maybe a few weeks earlier, 825 00:34:44.375 --> 00:34:46.458 I can't figure out why these stem cells 826 00:34:46.458 --> 00:34:47.500 aren't doing anything for us. 827 00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:50.250 So we asked them, what is the name of your product? 828 00:34:50.250 --> 00:34:51.583 And does it contain living stem cells? 829 00:34:51.583 --> 00:34:53.083 And they said yes, it does. 830 00:34:53.083 --> 00:34:56.041 And then we presented Dr. Centono's article 831 00:34:56.041 --> 00:34:59.416 and they had some choice words to say about Dr. Centeno, 832 00:34:59.416 --> 00:35:00.916 which were really know, 833 00:35:00.916 --> 00:35:02.916 for doctors very unprofessional. 834 00:35:02.916 --> 00:35:05.166 - It's been about seven days in the hospital. 835 00:35:06.458 --> 00:35:09.375 Got out, and then while I was in the hospital, 836 00:35:09.375 --> 00:35:10.666 they put a picc line in me. 837 00:35:10.666 --> 00:35:12.416 So for four months after that 838 00:35:12.416 --> 00:35:16.000 I was taking antibiotics an hour a day through my picc line. 839 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.916 - Some of them had to have surgery to have the 840 00:35:17.916 --> 00:35:20.208 infection literally cut out of their spine. 841 00:35:20.208 --> 00:35:22.083 - We were sick for months, 842 00:35:22.083 --> 00:35:22.916 fighting it off. 843 00:35:22.916 --> 00:35:25.875 - And be on tells the doctor if they ask you questions 844 00:35:25.875 --> 00:35:27.958 about the science just change the subject. 845 00:35:32.583 --> 00:35:35.166 - He said, does this product contain 846 00:35:35.166 --> 00:35:36.916 actually living stem cells? 847 00:35:36.916 --> 00:35:38.000 And he said, well, 848 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.666 it's a product that it's more 849 00:35:39.666 --> 00:35:41.166 of a perception based product 850 00:35:41.166 --> 00:35:42.958 than a product based in reality. 851 00:35:42.958 --> 00:35:44.583 - That's what's driving all of this. 852 00:35:44.583 --> 00:35:46.541 There's a huge volume of money. 853 00:35:46.541 --> 00:35:48.833 - He was telling us the whole procedure. 854 00:35:48.833 --> 00:35:49.833 - Exactly how they did it. 855 00:35:49.833 --> 00:35:51.416 - Exactly how they did it how they did it to us. 856 00:35:51.416 --> 00:35:53.041 I mean, which was like aha, 857 00:35:53.041 --> 00:35:54.958 I was an aha moment if you will, 858 00:35:54.958 --> 00:35:57.666 when I heard him say that, it was like, 859 00:35:57.666 --> 00:36:00.416 that feeling you get when you go down a roller coaster. 860 00:36:00.416 --> 00:36:02.375 And your stomach just drops. 861 00:36:02.375 --> 00:36:04.041 That was the feeling. 862 00:36:04.041 --> 00:36:05.916 I spent all that money. 863 00:36:05.916 --> 00:36:07.333 I spent. 864 00:36:07.333 --> 00:36:09.541 I led my dad down that road. 865 00:36:11.666 --> 00:36:16.208 My wife, it was a hard pill to swallow. 866 00:36:16.208 --> 00:36:21.208 And it just broke my heart that these people are 867 00:36:22.291 --> 00:36:24.625 so eager to gain money that they don't care 868 00:36:24.625 --> 00:36:26.125 about people's lives. 869 00:36:26.125 --> 00:36:29.166 - There's a special place in hell for these people. 870 00:36:29.166 --> 00:36:30.250 - Before all this, 871 00:36:30.250 --> 00:36:34.208 I mean, I did well financially four cars, 872 00:36:34.208 --> 00:36:36.125 just moved into our dream home, 873 00:36:36.125 --> 00:36:40.166 had a wedding on the way ended up losing all that. 874 00:36:40.166 --> 00:36:42.125 - Kristin, and I met with a former 875 00:36:42.125 --> 00:36:46.125 Liveyon sales representative who, 876 00:36:46.125 --> 00:36:49.250 real early in the case who said you guys need 877 00:36:49.250 --> 00:36:51.833 to understand you're dealing with a smash 878 00:36:51.833 --> 00:36:53.583 and grab company. 879 00:36:53.583 --> 00:36:56.125 I mean, their whole MO is to get the money, 880 00:36:56.125 --> 00:36:58.583 get as much money as I can and get out 881 00:36:58.583 --> 00:37:01.458 of dodge before the FDA figures out what they're doing. 882 00:37:01.458 --> 00:37:03.416 And that's apparently what's happening. 883 00:37:03.416 --> 00:37:07.083 - Everything is about to change for Regenerative Medicine. 884 00:37:08.291 --> 00:37:10.041 - [Reporter] After Liveyon's problem, 885 00:37:10.041 --> 00:37:13.166 they came out with a new product called Liveyon Pure. 886 00:37:13.166 --> 00:37:16.083 - [Announcer] More pure in every aspect. 887 00:37:16.083 --> 00:37:19.083 - Dr. Centeno blog that it's pure all right, 888 00:37:19.083 --> 00:37:22.458 so pure that testing performed at the university lab 889 00:37:22.458 --> 00:37:26.500 at CSU showed it has no living stem cells. 890 00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:28.250 And the scientists there, 891 00:37:28.250 --> 00:37:31.333 compared it to bone marrow concentrate from 56 892 00:37:31.333 --> 00:37:34.083 and 73 year old males and 55 893 00:37:34.083 --> 00:37:37.208 and 64 year old females that you see 894 00:37:37.208 --> 00:37:38.208 on the right, 895 00:37:38.208 --> 00:37:40.916 where Liveyon Pure is on the left. 896 00:37:40.916 --> 00:37:44.583 Tests at Dr. Centeno's lab got the same results. 897 00:37:44.583 --> 00:37:46.916 No living stem cells, 898 00:37:46.916 --> 00:37:50.083 - [Announcer] We are confident in raising the bar yet again. 899 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.375 Not only just for ourselves, 900 00:37:53.375 --> 00:37:55.708 but for the entire industry, 901 00:37:55.708 --> 00:37:57.375 keeping us all accountable 902 00:37:57.375 --> 00:37:58.750 to what matters most 903 00:37:59.833 --> 00:38:01.833 safety and efficacy. 904 00:38:01.833 --> 00:38:03.750 - [Reporter] Shortly after this commercial, 905 00:38:03.750 --> 00:38:08.083 the FDA inspected Liveyon in May 2019, 906 00:38:08.083 --> 00:38:12.291 and documented deficient donor eligibility practices, 907 00:38:12.291 --> 00:38:16.333 such as failing to screen donors' relevant medical records 908 00:38:16.333 --> 00:38:19.833 for risk factors for communicable diseases. 909 00:38:19.833 --> 00:38:21.750 Just to be clear, 910 00:38:21.750 --> 00:38:26.750 communicable diseases are things like HIV, MRSA, 911 00:38:27.041 --> 00:38:29.375 sexually transmitted diseases, 912 00:38:29.375 --> 00:38:34.375 E. Coli, hepatitis A or B, and tuberculosis. 913 00:38:34.791 --> 00:38:37.416 All this happened after their last outbreak 914 00:38:37.416 --> 00:38:39.250 using Gene Tech's product. 915 00:38:39.250 --> 00:38:42.750 This is for their new Liveyon Pure product. 916 00:38:42.750 --> 00:38:45.416 - [Announcer] This has always been about science, 917 00:38:45.416 --> 00:38:50.375 and Liveyon is in the business of better science. 918 00:38:50.375 --> 00:38:54.000 The FDA inspected Liveyon in May 2019, 919 00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.750 and found these products are regulated as drugs 920 00:38:56.750 --> 00:39:01.458 and biological products to lawfully market these products, 921 00:39:01.458 --> 00:39:05.166 an approved biologics license application is needed 922 00:39:05.166 --> 00:39:08.125 and may be used in humans in the development stage 923 00:39:08.125 --> 00:39:12.625 only when an IND application is in effect. 924 00:39:12.625 --> 00:39:16.166 However, no such licenses or INDs 925 00:39:16.166 --> 00:39:21.166 are in effect for Pure or Pure Pro marketed by Liveyon. 926 00:39:21.708 --> 00:39:25.750 This CDC report explains how umbilical cord blood 927 00:39:25.750 --> 00:39:29.000 cannot be decontaminated after collection 928 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.916 because there are currently no validated processes 929 00:39:31.916 --> 00:39:33.583 for sterilization. 930 00:39:33.583 --> 00:39:36.125 So, manufacture of derived products 931 00:39:36.125 --> 00:39:39.083 must be highly controlled to prevent distribution 932 00:39:39.083 --> 00:39:41.041 of contaminated products. 933 00:39:41.041 --> 00:39:46.041 - We have gone from the academic into the real now okay, 934 00:39:46.250 --> 00:39:49.666 and the issues with the allogeneic products 935 00:39:49.666 --> 00:39:52.000 have become very, very real. 936 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:56.083 And it's not only an issue of patients being ripped off 937 00:39:56.083 --> 00:39:58.625 by having received stem cell products 938 00:39:58.625 --> 00:40:01.250 that don't have any themselves in it. 939 00:40:01.250 --> 00:40:03.708 But at the same time the patients have paid 5,0000, 940 00:40:03.708 --> 00:40:08.083 7,500, $10,000 for those injections, 941 00:40:08.083 --> 00:40:11.083 which oftentimes take place at a chiropractor's office. 942 00:40:11.083 --> 00:40:13.291 Now we have people being actually hurt. 943 00:40:13.291 --> 00:40:17.875 And now we start seeing why we need an agency like the FDA 944 00:40:17.875 --> 00:40:18.833 to be involved, 945 00:40:18.833 --> 00:40:22.041 especially when we're talking about the manufacturing 946 00:40:22.041 --> 00:40:25.458 and mass distributing of medical products that rely 947 00:40:25.458 --> 00:40:27.083 on cellular activity, 948 00:40:27.083 --> 00:40:29.833 potentially from donors who weren't eligible 949 00:40:29.833 --> 00:40:31.916 to be donors for whatever reason, 950 00:40:31.916 --> 00:40:35.166 - Birth tissue derived stem cells aren't the only products 951 00:40:35.166 --> 00:40:37.125 that violate FDA rules. 952 00:40:37.125 --> 00:40:39.125 - There have been a couple big players 953 00:40:39.125 --> 00:40:40.416 that have really manipulated 954 00:40:40.416 --> 00:40:42.791 the public's perception of adipose 955 00:40:42.791 --> 00:40:45.000 and probably tainted all of Regenerative Medicine 956 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.000 in the process. 957 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.166 - US Stem Cell Clinics chief science officer 958 00:40:49.166 --> 00:40:50.583 was Kristin Comella. 959 00:40:50.583 --> 00:40:52.625 She was the face of the organization 960 00:40:52.625 --> 00:40:54.083 and under her leadership, 961 00:40:54.083 --> 00:40:57.125 US stem cell train 700 Physicians 962 00:40:57.125 --> 00:40:59.750 and created the largest network of physicians 963 00:40:59.750 --> 00:41:02.250 in regenerative medicine in the world. 964 00:41:02.250 --> 00:41:06.083 The FDA then brought the case against her. 965 00:41:06.083 --> 00:41:07.083 - [Reporter] And the Federal Court 966 00:41:07.083 --> 00:41:10.583 issued a decision holding the US Stem Cell Clinics 967 00:41:10.583 --> 00:41:15.125 and owner adulterated and misbranded stem cell products 968 00:41:15.125 --> 00:41:17.000 in violation of the law. 969 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.833 - Does this seem to be something where the FDA 970 00:41:18.833 --> 00:41:21.083 is kind of playing the arbiter? 971 00:41:21.083 --> 00:41:23.916 - [Reporter] Even prior to and during the court battle, 972 00:41:23.916 --> 00:41:26.083 Kristin received tremendous support 973 00:41:26.083 --> 00:41:29.166 at natural medicine events in docu series 974 00:41:29.166 --> 00:41:32.291 and with alternative news networks like Info Wars, 975 00:41:32.291 --> 00:41:34.833 where she was defended and even promoted 976 00:41:34.833 --> 00:41:37.166 as a trusted stem cell expert 977 00:41:37.166 --> 00:41:41.291 even though the FDA had labeled her a bad actor. 978 00:41:41.291 --> 00:41:43.416 - I am joined by Dr. Kristin Comella. 979 00:41:43.416 --> 00:41:47.583 - Who is the top stem cell science Just in America, 980 00:41:47.583 --> 00:41:50.083 - World renowned actually at this point stem cell expert. 981 00:41:50.083 --> 00:41:53.375 - Is and she is number one on the Academy 982 00:41:53.375 --> 00:41:57.416 of regenerative practices list of stem cell innovators. 983 00:41:57.416 --> 00:41:59.708 - Had the pleasure of meeting her at Red Phase last year. 984 00:41:59.708 --> 00:42:01.500 - I've been dosing myself with stem cells 985 00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.750 for about three years. 986 00:42:02.750 --> 00:42:05.208 I typically dose every six to 12 months. 987 00:42:05.208 --> 00:42:08.833 - Dr. Kristin, what do you wanna tell our people today, 988 00:42:08.833 --> 00:42:11.208 this is your voice, faith in freedom. 989 00:42:11.208 --> 00:42:14.791 And they're very interested on how this works. 990 00:42:14.791 --> 00:42:17.375 - So it was actually Palm Sunday, 991 00:42:17.375 --> 00:42:20.916 a week before Easter that I received notice 992 00:42:20.916 --> 00:42:24.958 from my attorneys that the United States of America was 993 00:42:24.958 --> 00:42:28.333 interested in filing a lawsuit against me personally, 994 00:42:28.333 --> 00:42:30.750 as well as the clinic and the company. 995 00:42:30.750 --> 00:42:33.250 We did injections on the interior vaginal wall, 996 00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:35.750 men I'm a female in her 40s you start 997 00:42:35.750 --> 00:42:37.666 to have issues with lubrication, 998 00:42:37.666 --> 00:42:40.333 and then you start to have issues with orgasms. 999 00:42:40.333 --> 00:42:43.500 And so by introducing the stem cells that can help 1000 00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:47.250 to improve the blood supply there, with more blood supply, 1001 00:42:47.250 --> 00:42:51.250 this means better orgasms as well as better lubrication. 1002 00:42:51.250 --> 00:42:54.125 And so this is a very natural approach 1003 00:42:54.125 --> 00:42:56.250 to helping improve your sex life and I'm happy 1004 00:42:56.250 --> 00:42:57.291 to report that it worked 1005 00:42:57.291 --> 00:43:00.125 and I think my husband would report the same. 1006 00:43:00.125 --> 00:43:01.333 - Right, I mean its so exciting. 1007 00:43:01.333 --> 00:43:03.916 - Regrettably, I didn't do my due diligence 1008 00:43:03.916 --> 00:43:05.625 and study it more carefully. 1009 00:43:05.625 --> 00:43:07.625 - Hi, this is Dr. Mercola, 1010 00:43:07.625 --> 00:43:09.000 helping you take control of your health 1011 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.333 and today we are joined by an expert. 1012 00:43:12.333 --> 00:43:14.458 Soon to be Dr. Kristin Comella. 1013 00:43:14.458 --> 00:43:15.916 - [Reporter] Kristin was a student 1014 00:43:15.916 --> 00:43:18.416 at Florida International University, FIU. 1015 00:43:19.708 --> 00:43:20.875 We verified with FIU 1016 00:43:21.791 --> 00:43:25.000 that she became a PhD candidate, 1017 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.041 meaning she completed the coursework part of the program, 1018 00:43:28.041 --> 00:43:30.791 but she still needed to do the research part, 1019 00:43:30.791 --> 00:43:33.583 her dissertation and for her field. 1020 00:43:33.583 --> 00:43:35.750 That's the part that demonstrates how 1021 00:43:35.750 --> 00:43:38.666 to research at the professional level. 1022 00:43:38.666 --> 00:43:42.875 She never completed her PhD at FIU. 1023 00:43:42.875 --> 00:43:46.166 - I had an opportunity to transfer again 1024 00:43:46.166 --> 00:43:49.083 and move to a university in Panama. 1025 00:43:49.083 --> 00:43:52.416 Now, anyone who has followed the space will know 1026 00:43:52.416 --> 00:43:54.916 that a lot of the stem cell treatments 1027 00:43:54.916 --> 00:43:56.833 that have been done clinically, 1028 00:43:56.833 --> 00:44:00.875 to this day have been done outside of the United States. 1029 00:44:00.875 --> 00:44:02.916 - [Reporter] FIU was legit. 1030 00:44:02.916 --> 00:44:05.625 It has a bookstore with FIU clothing, 1031 00:44:05.625 --> 00:44:10.166 including hats, sweatshirts, cool alumni, mom mugs, 1032 00:44:10.166 --> 00:44:12.916 and it even has a bus with its name on it. 1033 00:44:12.916 --> 00:44:15.375 They have funky sculpture stuff, too. 1034 00:44:15.375 --> 00:44:18.041 It has a huge, beautiful campus. 1035 00:44:18.041 --> 00:44:20.250 It has all the stuff we come to expect 1036 00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:23.958 in a quality American University today. 1037 00:44:23.958 --> 00:44:26.083 Why would she leave this? 1038 00:44:26.083 --> 00:44:28.583 - So being able to work with a team in Panama 1039 00:44:28.583 --> 00:44:30.166 was truly an honor. 1040 00:44:30.166 --> 00:44:32.250 - [Announcer] The AVM is now departing, 1041 00:44:32.250 --> 00:44:34.125 please hold on to the handrail. 1042 00:44:34.125 --> 00:44:35.916 - [Reporter] So we decided to go to this 1043 00:44:35.916 --> 00:44:39.458 Panama College of cell sciences and check it out. 1044 00:44:44.916 --> 00:44:48.291 Panama City Definitely has it going on. 1045 00:44:48.291 --> 00:44:49.416 It's beautiful. 1046 00:44:49.416 --> 00:44:53.375 Modern, has a nice Airport has a lot of taxis 1047 00:44:53.375 --> 00:44:55.083 and has a fairly famous canal 1048 00:44:55.083 --> 00:44:57.125 that runs right through the middle of it. 1049 00:44:59.916 --> 00:45:02.583 The jungles have very industrious ants, 1050 00:45:02.583 --> 00:45:05.000 and the land is just beautiful. 1051 00:45:06.583 --> 00:45:10.666 However, that's not where Panama College of cell Sciences 1052 00:45:10.666 --> 00:45:14.250 is at, it's in a tiny remote town 1053 00:45:14.250 --> 00:45:15.791 called Chitra. 1054 00:45:15.791 --> 00:45:17.916 It's either a four hour bus ride 1055 00:45:17.916 --> 00:45:20.125 or a 30 minute plane ride. 1056 00:45:20.125 --> 00:45:23.041 To get there, you must travel to the other side 1057 00:45:23.041 --> 00:45:26.250 of Panama City to a very small airport. 1058 00:45:27.166 --> 00:45:29.291 It has a nice bubblegum machine 1059 00:45:29.291 --> 00:45:31.125 and vintage payphones. 1060 00:45:36.750 --> 00:45:38.916 It uses a tiny commercial plane. 1061 00:45:40.041 --> 00:45:42.666 You drop your bags in the back 1062 00:45:42.666 --> 00:45:45.000 and crawl over the seats like a suburban. 1063 00:45:47.208 --> 00:45:49.083 If you choose to sit in the front, 1064 00:45:49.083 --> 00:45:50.458 you have to spread your legs 1065 00:45:50.458 --> 00:45:54.000 to let the pilot pull his seat back to fly the plane. 1066 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.208 There are no flight attendants there. 1067 00:45:56.208 --> 00:45:59.666 No bathrooms, but a great view 1068 00:45:59.666 --> 00:46:02.125 watching the pilots fly the plane. 1069 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:04.500 When it's too bright, 1070 00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:07.208 the pilots put sunshades over the window 1071 00:46:07.208 --> 00:46:09.791 so they can see the instrument panels. 1072 00:46:09.791 --> 00:46:12.541 It only flies about 2,000 feet high. 1073 00:46:12.541 --> 00:46:15.083 So you fly right in the rain clouds, 1074 00:46:15.083 --> 00:46:16.083 not over them. 1075 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.083 You get a lovely view of the landing strip as you land. 1076 00:46:25.583 --> 00:46:27.125 You might be wondering, 1077 00:46:27.125 --> 00:46:28.625 why would Kristin come here 1078 00:46:28.625 --> 00:46:31.125 to get training she felt she couldn't receive 1079 00:46:31.125 --> 00:46:34.250 in the United States in 2017. 1080 00:46:38.375 --> 00:46:41.000 We caught the only taxi at the airport, 1081 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.791 an airport that only had two cars in front of it 1082 00:46:43.791 --> 00:46:45.125 complete with dirt road 1083 00:46:45.125 --> 00:46:47.875 and a stray dog bars on the windows 1084 00:46:47.875 --> 00:46:51.458 in an airport with no metal detector going through security, 1085 00:46:51.458 --> 00:46:54.416 but you can watch the daytime soap opera 1086 00:46:54.416 --> 00:46:58.041 while carrying a gun, bomb or anything you want 1087 00:46:58.041 --> 00:46:59.250 to the plane. 1088 00:46:59.250 --> 00:47:01.708 We really didn't see anywhere to stay. 1089 00:47:01.708 --> 00:47:04.625 So we went down to the hostel in Playa Venao 1090 00:47:04.625 --> 00:47:07.375 about an hour away on the ocean. 1091 00:47:07.375 --> 00:47:09.750 It was absolutely beautiful there. 1092 00:47:11.583 --> 00:47:13.250 But then back to tea tray. 1093 00:47:18.250 --> 00:47:20.041 The cab driver had a problem. 1094 00:47:23.666 --> 00:47:26.666 (speaks in foreign language) okay. 1095 00:47:26.666 --> 00:47:28.666 - [Reporter] He and the other known three taxis 1096 00:47:28.666 --> 00:47:31.750 in the town could not find the address that is listed 1097 00:47:31.750 --> 00:47:35.083 on the Panama College of cell sciences website. 1098 00:47:35.083 --> 00:47:38.541 The website does discourage doing any mailings there 1099 00:47:38.541 --> 00:47:41.083 and says to email everything however, 1100 00:47:41.083 --> 00:47:44.291 we were sure they actually had a real address. 1101 00:47:44.291 --> 00:47:46.750 The cab driver started asking everyone. 1102 00:47:51.750 --> 00:47:55.250 A reverse address search shows it shares the same address 1103 00:47:55.250 --> 00:47:59.666 but different suite number with the University of Swahili, 1104 00:47:59.666 --> 00:48:04.208 a university that grants PhDs primarily to people in India. 1105 00:48:04.208 --> 00:48:08.000 Why would the University of Swahili be in Panama? 1106 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.500 And why would it share the same address 1107 00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:13.000 with Panama College of Cell Sciences? 1108 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.250 This university of Swahili says its address 1109 00:48:16.250 --> 00:48:17.958 is Google verified, 1110 00:48:17.958 --> 00:48:21.000 and shows it slap dab in the middle of the street. 1111 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.750 So the cab driver went to the middle of the street 1112 00:48:23.750 --> 00:48:26.000 and talked with the person standing there, 1113 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.250 but the university wasn't there. 1114 00:48:29.375 --> 00:48:32.791 Shown on the map right next to the Google verified address, 1115 00:48:32.791 --> 00:48:34.041 it shows a carwash, 1116 00:48:34.041 --> 00:48:38.333 we found the carwash but no university, nothing. 1117 00:48:45.250 --> 00:48:47.166 Both of these Universities 1118 00:48:47.166 --> 00:48:50.083 say they are in the Azuero Business Center, 1119 00:48:50.083 --> 00:48:52.000 which Google brings up this site. 1120 00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.500 The site had no links, no contact, 1121 00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:56.250 and six months earlier, 1122 00:48:56.250 --> 00:48:58.208 the same site looked like this 1123 00:48:58.208 --> 00:48:59.583 with another building. 1124 00:48:59.583 --> 00:49:02.416 Those buildings don't resemble each other. 1125 00:49:02.416 --> 00:49:05.583 But this was the closest building to the carwash. 1126 00:49:05.583 --> 00:49:08.500 We made the whole trip to Panama to speak with 1127 00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:12.000 someone in the administrative offices and found no evidence 1128 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.333 that either universities have a real address in 1129 00:49:15.333 --> 00:49:18.583 this very remote part of the world. 1130 00:49:18.583 --> 00:49:20.375 Let's just look at the website 1131 00:49:20.375 --> 00:49:23.791 for Panama College of Cell Sciences. 1132 00:49:23.791 --> 00:49:26.291 The college was founded by Walter Drake, 1133 00:49:26.291 --> 00:49:29.250 Walter Drake did not have a PhD, 1134 00:49:29.250 --> 00:49:32.416 when he opened Panama College of Cell Sciences. 1135 00:49:32.416 --> 00:49:34.750 He then opens another virtual college 1136 00:49:34.750 --> 00:49:36.958 out of the Commonwealth of Dominica, 1137 00:49:36.958 --> 00:49:38.833 called Blue Marble University, 1138 00:49:38.833 --> 00:49:41.000 Panama College of Cell Sciences, 1139 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.250 became the biology graduate school 1140 00:49:43.250 --> 00:49:46.583 within Blue Marble University again, 1141 00:49:46.583 --> 00:49:50.583 He opens both colleges without a PhD. 1142 00:49:50.583 --> 00:49:53.666 Then suddenly, he got a PhD. 1143 00:49:53.666 --> 00:49:57.416 Where, from panorama College of Cell Sciences. 1144 00:49:57.416 --> 00:50:01.750 Yep, he got a PhD from his own school 1145 00:50:01.750 --> 00:50:04.083 just in case you aren't catching it. 1146 00:50:04.083 --> 00:50:07.416 You can't just give yourself a degree at a higher level 1147 00:50:07.416 --> 00:50:10.083 than the education you already have. 1148 00:50:10.083 --> 00:50:11.583 If this did work, 1149 00:50:11.583 --> 00:50:14.375 Huffman and Laughlin should have saved their money 1150 00:50:14.375 --> 00:50:16.416 and avoided jail time. 1151 00:50:16.416 --> 00:50:17.958 - [Reporter] Tonight, Hollywood's elite 1152 00:50:17.958 --> 00:50:19.916 accused of paying top dollar 1153 00:50:19.916 --> 00:50:22.416 to buy admission to a higher education 1154 00:50:22.416 --> 00:50:24.416 their children did not earn. 1155 00:50:24.416 --> 00:50:26.208 - [Reporter] They could just start their own college 1156 00:50:26.208 --> 00:50:27.583 in the jungles of Panama, 1157 00:50:27.583 --> 00:50:29.958 and give PhDs to their kids. 1158 00:50:29.958 --> 00:50:31.958 On the Panama College website, 1159 00:50:31.958 --> 00:50:34.833 it has this certificate of recognition 1160 00:50:34.833 --> 00:50:37.208 from California University, 1161 00:50:37.208 --> 00:50:40.375 saying its curriculum is equivalent to the curriculum 1162 00:50:40.375 --> 00:50:43.916 of the regionally and nationally accredited colleges 1163 00:50:43.916 --> 00:50:48.000 and universities of the United States of America. 1164 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.458 Lots of issues here. 1165 00:50:49.458 --> 00:50:52.750 This website ends with a .tc. 1166 00:50:52.750 --> 00:50:54.708 You probably don't recognize it. 1167 00:50:54.708 --> 00:50:57.125 That's because it designates a country code 1168 00:50:57.125 --> 00:50:59.250 of the Turks and Caicos Islands. 1169 00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:01.875 If this is a university in LA, 1170 00:51:01.875 --> 00:51:05.083 why wouldn't it just have a.edu extension, 1171 00:51:05.083 --> 00:51:07.750 like every other real University in America? 1172 00:51:07.750 --> 00:51:11.125 Oh, and the website doesn't even work. 1173 00:51:11.125 --> 00:51:15.500 Searching California University on Google won't help either. 1174 00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:18.833 It brings up options for the University of California system 1175 00:51:18.833 --> 00:51:23.833 in California like UCLA, UC Berkeley, or UCSD. 1176 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.916 Well, maybe that's the intention with choosing this name. 1177 00:51:27.916 --> 00:51:31.416 If you search for California University FCE, 1178 00:51:31.416 --> 00:51:33.750 then it's the first option listed. 1179 00:51:33.750 --> 00:51:38.125 By the way Dr. Amorsolo's do not explain anywhere 1180 00:51:38.125 --> 00:51:41.166 why they're putting doctor in front of their name, 1181 00:51:41.166 --> 00:51:45.000 nor is any education listed on their LinkedIn profile. 1182 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:48.083 According to the California Department of Education, 1183 00:51:48.083 --> 00:51:52.500 California University FCE was opened on October 2 2011. 1184 00:51:54.500 --> 00:51:57.375 However, on the certificate for Panama College 1185 00:51:57.375 --> 00:51:58.916 of Cell Sciences, 1186 00:51:58.916 --> 00:52:01.208 it says here the certificate was given 1187 00:52:01.208 --> 00:52:04.583 on July 25 2011. 1188 00:52:04.583 --> 00:52:09.541 Over two months before California University FCE 1189 00:52:09.541 --> 00:52:13.625 was even registered according to California records. 1190 00:52:15.041 --> 00:52:17.500 The California Department of Education 1191 00:52:17.500 --> 00:52:20.875 lists California University FCE school 1192 00:52:20.875 --> 00:52:25.083 and mailing address as this private kindergarten here 1193 00:52:25.083 --> 00:52:28.333 yet California University FCE website 1194 00:52:28.333 --> 00:52:31.291 shows this building called University Tower 1195 00:52:31.291 --> 00:52:36.125 at 4199 campus drive suite 550. 1196 00:52:36.125 --> 00:52:39.541 Suite 550 is an Executive Office Suite 1197 00:52:39.541 --> 00:52:41.833 offering virtual offices. 1198 00:52:41.833 --> 00:52:44.875 California University says no walk in 1199 00:52:44.875 --> 00:52:47.083 on every address they list. 1200 00:52:47.083 --> 00:52:50.208 Isn't it a coincidence that they have a name 1201 00:52:50.208 --> 00:52:53.708 that is the reverse of the University of California, 1202 00:52:53.708 --> 00:52:55.291 California University. 1203 00:52:55.291 --> 00:52:57.750 And it's the closest business building 1204 00:52:57.750 --> 00:53:00.708 to the University of California, 1205 00:53:00.708 --> 00:53:04.166 a building called University Towers located 1206 00:53:04.166 --> 00:53:05.708 on campus drive, 1207 00:53:05.708 --> 00:53:07.541 and they use this picture 1208 00:53:07.541 --> 00:53:09.583 as their university building, 1209 00:53:09.583 --> 00:53:11.291 rather than the one registered 1210 00:53:11.291 --> 00:53:14.125 with the California Department of Education. 1211 00:53:14.125 --> 00:53:16.708 Making someone browsing through their website, 1212 00:53:16.708 --> 00:53:19.041 think this is a real University. 1213 00:53:22.250 --> 00:53:25.250 They are a founding member of the International Center 1214 00:53:25.250 --> 00:53:27.416 for academic evaluation, 1215 00:53:27.416 --> 00:53:29.583 which is invitation only. 1216 00:53:29.583 --> 00:53:31.458 They served as its first chair, 1217 00:53:31.458 --> 00:53:35.416 and almost all its members are original members. 1218 00:53:35.416 --> 00:53:38.041 For example, the next company listed 1219 00:53:38.041 --> 00:53:40.666 is Career Consulting International, 1220 00:53:40.666 --> 00:53:41.750 and their website, 1221 00:53:41.750 --> 00:53:44.250 they list in the news where they have a bunch 1222 00:53:44.250 --> 00:53:46.250 of videos that are not news. 1223 00:53:46.250 --> 00:53:49.833 But weak attempts to look like news as this classic. 1224 00:53:53.083 --> 00:53:54.333 Welcome to news break. 1225 00:53:54.333 --> 00:53:56.875 I'm Samantha Cohn in Washington DC, 1226 00:53:56.875 --> 00:53:58.916 where our representatives are gridlocked 1227 00:53:58.916 --> 00:54:00.833 about immigration reform. 1228 00:54:00.833 --> 00:54:02.708 One company that is moving forward 1229 00:54:02.708 --> 00:54:04.750 is Career Consulting International 1230 00:54:04.750 --> 00:54:08.750 www.thedegreepeople.com. 1231 00:54:08.750 --> 00:54:10.750 So here's where we stand. 1232 00:54:10.750 --> 00:54:13.833 We have a company called California University. 1233 00:54:13.833 --> 00:54:16.750 That sounds like the University of California, 1234 00:54:16.750 --> 00:54:18.833 using an Executive Office suite that 1235 00:54:18.833 --> 00:54:21.916 is conveniently right next door to the real University 1236 00:54:21.916 --> 00:54:23.375 of California Irvine. 1237 00:54:24.500 --> 00:54:28.000 They have authority to do academic evaluations 1238 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.583 from the International Center for academic evaluation, 1239 00:54:31.583 --> 00:54:34.666 which is an organization they appear to help found 1240 00:54:34.666 --> 00:54:37.375 and served as its first chair. 1241 00:54:37.375 --> 00:54:39.750 With that self made authority 1242 00:54:39.750 --> 00:54:43.666 they evaluated Panama College's cell science curriculum, 1243 00:54:43.666 --> 00:54:46.250 two months before they registered themselves 1244 00:54:46.250 --> 00:54:48.000 with the state of California, 1245 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:50.791 and found Panama College of cell science, 1246 00:54:50.791 --> 00:54:53.458 equivalent to US universities, 1247 00:54:53.458 --> 00:54:56.250 even though it was created by a guy 1248 00:54:56.250 --> 00:54:58.458 who didn't have a PhD, 1249 00:54:58.458 --> 00:55:01.583 but gave himself one from this very University, 1250 00:55:01.583 --> 00:55:04.291 he started and was merged in 1251 00:55:04.291 --> 00:55:08.375 some way by another university that he happened to found 1252 00:55:08.375 --> 00:55:10.833 as well called Blue Marble. 1253 00:55:10.833 --> 00:55:13.916 Yet the whole time the founder lives in the US, 1254 00:55:13.916 --> 00:55:15.083 and this is the college 1255 00:55:15.083 --> 00:55:17.916 that gives Kristin Comella a PhD, 1256 00:55:17.916 --> 00:55:21.083 who herself is listed as the number one stem cell 1257 00:55:21.083 --> 00:55:25.875 influencer in the world by the organization she founded and 1258 00:55:25.875 --> 00:55:28.375 was serving as president of when she gave 1259 00:55:28.375 --> 00:55:31.416 that pronouncement upon herself. 1260 00:55:31.416 --> 00:55:32.416 Wow. 1261 00:55:32.416 --> 00:55:35.791 Are you starting to feel like Kristin's PhD is fake? 1262 00:55:35.791 --> 00:55:37.583 So what do you think will happen 1263 00:55:37.583 --> 00:55:39.083 when she gives stem cells 1264 00:55:39.083 --> 00:55:40.625 to a non fake patient. 1265 00:55:40.625 --> 00:55:43.500 - Florida stem cell clinic sued after several patients 1266 00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:45.708 say they went blind after treatment. 1267 00:55:45.708 --> 00:55:46.750 - Tell them We're sorry, 1268 00:55:46.750 --> 00:55:49.583 and they got several million dollars so 1269 00:55:49.583 --> 00:55:51.291 and they were gonna go blind anyway. 1270 00:55:51.291 --> 00:55:53.250 - There's a such thing on social media 1271 00:55:53.250 --> 00:55:54.750 as manufactured links. 1272 00:55:54.750 --> 00:55:58.916 So one social media platform or health site or whatever, 1273 00:55:58.916 --> 00:56:00.416 will be sharing the others like, 1274 00:56:00.416 --> 00:56:02.625 Oh my gosh, we love these guys. 1275 00:56:07.625 --> 00:56:09.333 - Kristin is the president 1276 00:56:09.333 --> 00:56:11.416 of the Academy of Regenerative Practices 1277 00:56:11.416 --> 00:56:14.916 and she puts on a conference annually in Florida. 1278 00:56:14.916 --> 00:56:17.250 I was just down there in Florida a couple 1279 00:56:17.250 --> 00:56:20.583 of weeks ago, and was did a talk there. 1280 00:56:20.583 --> 00:56:22.250 - That was kinda this what some people call 1281 00:56:22.250 --> 00:56:23.375 a racket going on, 1282 00:56:23.375 --> 00:56:25.208 because they were not aware 1283 00:56:25.208 --> 00:56:27.375 that they were manufactured links 1284 00:56:27.375 --> 00:56:28.458 they thought they were just sharing out 1285 00:56:28.458 --> 00:56:30.083 of the kindness of their hearts. 1286 00:56:30.083 --> 00:56:33.416 - [Reporter] Erin Elizabeth sent this email to Paleo f(x). 1287 00:56:33.416 --> 00:56:35.000 - when I said to her, listen, 1288 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:36.666 these women were blinded she goes well, 1289 00:56:36.666 --> 00:56:38.250 there's two sides to every story. 1290 00:56:38.250 --> 00:56:39.750 - [Reporter] If Kristin is being charged 1291 00:56:39.750 --> 00:56:41.208 with anything illegal, 1292 00:56:41.208 --> 00:56:44.916 she will be judged by far more appropriate judges than me. 1293 00:56:44.916 --> 00:56:47.333 - They still had her as a one of the keynote speakers 1294 00:56:47.333 --> 00:56:48.166 at their event. 1295 00:56:48.166 --> 00:56:51.416 - [Reporter] Once the FDA filed the lawsuit against Kristin, 1296 00:56:51.416 --> 00:56:55.833 this CEO of Paleo f(x) makes a huge judgment 1297 00:56:55.833 --> 00:56:59.250 and campaign for Kristin in this Facebook Live video. 1298 00:56:59.250 --> 00:57:03.583 - Right now she is babbling on all of our behalf. 1299 00:57:04.666 --> 00:57:07.041 - [Reporter] So what due diligence exists 1300 00:57:07.041 --> 00:57:10.041 when selecting speakers at these conferences. 1301 00:57:10.041 --> 00:57:13.250 - Another example was a urologist and a plastic surgeon 1302 00:57:13.250 --> 00:57:15.625 who partnered together in California and wanted 1303 00:57:15.625 --> 00:57:18.208 to treat any pathology under the sun that 1304 00:57:18.208 --> 00:57:20.583 included neurodegenerative diseases. 1305 00:57:20.583 --> 00:57:22.750 I'm not sure what qualifications a plastic surgeon 1306 00:57:22.750 --> 00:57:26.708 or urologist has to treat Parkinson's disease, for example, 1307 00:57:26.708 --> 00:57:30.458 but they were building registries to try to disguise it 1308 00:57:30.458 --> 00:57:32.416 as a one giant clinical study, 1309 00:57:32.416 --> 00:57:34.041 even though they had a network of 50 doctors 1310 00:57:34.041 --> 00:57:35.750 around the country and saying 1311 00:57:35.750 --> 00:57:38.500 that they could bypass the FDA rules because it 1312 00:57:38.500 --> 00:57:41.125 was under the umbrella of a clinical study. 1313 00:57:41.125 --> 00:57:43.208 - [Reporter] If we look down the list of physicians who 1314 00:57:43.208 --> 00:57:45.916 are part of cell surgical network, 1315 00:57:45.916 --> 00:57:48.958 we Find Dr. Tami Meraglia. 1316 00:57:48.958 --> 00:57:52.416 Dr. Tami practices in Seattle, Washington. 1317 00:57:52.416 --> 00:57:55.416 Her website says three things you should know 1318 00:57:55.416 --> 00:57:58.083 before you do stem cell treatments anywhere 1319 00:57:58.083 --> 00:58:00.708 but Seattle Stem Cell Center. 1320 00:58:00.708 --> 00:58:03.250 - [Tami] Were blessed to be part of a clinical trial. 1321 00:58:03.250 --> 00:58:07.041 And there are 8,000 cases that have been recorded 1322 00:58:07.041 --> 00:58:10.333 and documented and no adverse events. 1323 00:58:10.333 --> 00:58:12.208 - [Reporter] First, she's a member 1324 00:58:12.208 --> 00:58:15.333 of a US based clinical trial IRB number, 1325 00:58:15.333 --> 00:58:19.916 ICSS 2016 004. 1326 00:58:19.916 --> 00:58:22.541 That's a very official looking number. 1327 00:58:22.541 --> 00:58:26.166 But unfortunately, it's absolutely bogus. 1328 00:58:26.166 --> 00:58:28.791 Potential patients must learn how to identify 1329 00:58:28.791 --> 00:58:30.333 these red flags. 1330 00:58:30.333 --> 00:58:33.250 Because the violative clinics have become so bold 1331 00:58:33.250 --> 00:58:36.375 and sophisticated with their deception. 1332 00:58:36.375 --> 00:58:40.625 First, an IRB study is not associated in any way 1333 00:58:40.625 --> 00:58:42.708 with an FDA permit like an IND, 1334 00:58:43.958 --> 00:58:48.500 an IRB is not an IND and this IRB is dubious. 1335 00:58:49.791 --> 00:58:51.000 Why? 1336 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.791 The company that granted the IRB number is the 1337 00:58:53.791 --> 00:58:56.458 International Cell Surgical Society, 1338 00:58:56.458 --> 00:58:59.750 the ICSS and according to 2019, 1339 00:58:59.750 --> 00:59:02.000 California records Mark Berman, 1340 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:05.791 the CEO of Cell Surgical Network is also the CEO 1341 00:59:05.791 --> 00:59:07.000 of this company. 1342 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:09.750 And his business partner Elliot lander, 1343 00:59:09.750 --> 00:59:11.625 is the original processor 1344 00:59:11.625 --> 00:59:15.250 when this ICSS organization was formed, 1345 00:59:15.250 --> 00:59:18.791 as you can see in the 2013 California records. 1346 00:59:18.791 --> 00:59:21.916 So these business partners created another company 1347 00:59:21.916 --> 00:59:25.041 to grant IRB numbers to themselves. 1348 00:59:25.041 --> 00:59:26.291 Sound familiar? 1349 00:59:26.291 --> 00:59:29.916 And that's why Dr. Tami lists as the number one reason 1350 00:59:29.916 --> 00:59:32.541 to come to her for stem cell therapy. 1351 00:59:32.541 --> 00:59:34.375 And if that's not enough, 1352 00:59:34.375 --> 00:59:36.583 here's another red flag. 1353 00:59:36.583 --> 00:59:39.166 Healthgrades website shows she specializes 1354 00:59:39.166 --> 00:59:40.916 in legal medicine. 1355 00:59:40.916 --> 00:59:44.458 But on Dr. Tami's website, she says this. 1356 00:59:44.458 --> 00:59:47.083 - Many of our patients add exosomes 1357 00:59:47.083 --> 00:59:50.500 to every treatment to try and supercharge the cells 1358 00:59:50.500 --> 00:59:52.333 that they already have. 1359 00:59:52.333 --> 00:59:54.083 - [Reporter] And this. 1360 00:59:54.083 --> 00:59:57.333 - In fact, our hair and skin treatments can be done 1361 00:59:57.333 --> 01:00:00.416 with just cord or just exosomes 1362 01:00:00.416 --> 01:00:02.250 or a combination. 1363 01:00:02.250 --> 01:00:05.916 Cord blood derived stem cells and exosomes are labeled 1364 01:00:05.916 --> 01:00:07.541 as drugs by the FDA 1365 01:00:07.541 --> 01:00:09.666 and must have pre market approval, 1366 01:00:09.666 --> 01:00:11.166 which they do not have. 1367 01:00:11.166 --> 01:00:15.916 So all solutions she outlines are not legal medicine. 1368 01:00:15.916 --> 01:00:18.125 Dr. Tami was also featured 1369 01:00:18.125 --> 01:00:22.583 in The Healing Miracle by the ex con duo Brent Detelich 1370 01:00:22.583 --> 01:00:26.208 and Jeff Hayes with narrator Sarah Sheehan. 1371 01:00:26.208 --> 01:00:28.416 We'll see also two pretty remarkable stories 1372 01:00:28.416 --> 01:00:29.458 from your personal life. 1373 01:00:29.458 --> 01:00:30.708 What about in your practice? 1374 01:00:30.708 --> 01:00:34.166 - We have patients who have MS and we're going blind 1375 01:00:34.166 --> 01:00:36.791 and they're no longer going blind. 1376 01:00:36.791 --> 01:00:40.291 - [Reporter] Now, Dr. Tami is making her own docu series 1377 01:00:40.291 --> 01:00:41.500 on stem cells. 1378 01:00:41.500 --> 01:00:44.791 - Dr. Tami invited me to be at her upcoming docu series 1379 01:00:44.791 --> 01:00:47.916 on stem cells, and I did some due diligence. 1380 01:00:47.916 --> 01:00:49.583 - [Reporter] He sent her this email. 1381 01:00:49.583 --> 01:00:51.666 I found your CV online, 1382 01:00:51.666 --> 01:00:54.375 but it didn't list where you went to medical school. 1383 01:00:54.375 --> 01:00:57.416 Also, you outlined on your intro video that you 1384 01:00:57.416 --> 01:00:59.250 are double board certified 1385 01:00:59.250 --> 01:01:01.916 - And a double board certified MD. 1386 01:01:01.916 --> 01:01:03.625 - [Reporter] She appears to introduce herself 1387 01:01:03.625 --> 01:01:07.375 nearly everywhere as a double board certified MD. 1388 01:01:07.375 --> 01:01:09.250 - I'm a double board certified MD. 1389 01:01:09.250 --> 01:01:12.250 - [Reporter] Dr. Tami replied to his email saying she went 1390 01:01:12.250 --> 01:01:13.916 to a school in the Caribbean 1391 01:01:13.916 --> 01:01:16.416 and regarding the double board certification. 1392 01:01:16.416 --> 01:01:18.833 She said my board certifications 1393 01:01:18.833 --> 01:01:21.375 are not recognized by the AMA. 1394 01:01:21.375 --> 01:01:23.500 - But then I declined her invitation. 1395 01:01:23.500 --> 01:01:25.458 - [Reporter] Patients today need to know 1396 01:01:25.458 --> 01:01:29.750 that violators adulterate the valid IRB study process 1397 01:01:29.750 --> 01:01:31.750 by creating their own companies 1398 01:01:31.750 --> 01:01:34.708 to grant themselves the IRB study number 1399 01:01:34.708 --> 01:01:38.166 and then they use that number as a marketing ploy 1400 01:01:38.166 --> 01:01:40.625 to deceive the public by making it appear 1401 01:01:40.625 --> 01:01:42.666 they have something official. 1402 01:01:42.666 --> 01:01:44.916 They often exaggerate their credentials 1403 01:01:44.916 --> 01:01:48.583 and then they seduce the natural medicine industry 1404 01:01:48.583 --> 01:01:51.083 and adulterate the docu series platform 1405 01:01:51.083 --> 01:01:54.583 with their fake docu series that are really infomercials 1406 01:01:54.583 --> 01:01:57.208 in a shameless effort to promote themselves 1407 01:01:57.208 --> 01:02:00.208 in a further effort to create legitimacy, 1408 01:02:00.208 --> 01:02:03.333 when in fact, they are FDA violators. 1409 01:02:05.583 --> 01:02:07.291 - So we would send patients to surgery, 1410 01:02:07.291 --> 01:02:09.458 surgeon would say, Hey, I'm done. 1411 01:02:09.458 --> 01:02:10.625 We fix this. 1412 01:02:10.625 --> 01:02:13.541 Structurally it looks good now the MRI looks good 1413 01:02:13.541 --> 01:02:15.458 or the X ray looks good. 1414 01:02:15.458 --> 01:02:16.291 But at the end of the day, 1415 01:02:16.291 --> 01:02:18.208 it really wouldn't be fixed. 1416 01:02:18.208 --> 01:02:19.958 - In my career, 1417 01:02:19.958 --> 01:02:24.625 I ran benefit plans for three very large corporations 1418 01:02:24.625 --> 01:02:28.000 I manage Walmart stores a benefit plans for 1419 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:29.375 about 15 years, 1420 01:02:29.375 --> 01:02:31.083 in certain ways in America, 1421 01:02:31.083 --> 01:02:34.625 we're experiencing an epidemic of misdiagnosis. 1422 01:02:34.625 --> 01:02:38.166 When I give a speech, I tell people pick up your smartphone 1423 01:02:38.166 --> 01:02:42.416 and Google in the term epidemic of misdiagnosis 1424 01:02:42.416 --> 01:02:43.708 and you gotta be, they're stunned 1425 01:02:43.708 --> 01:02:45.583 when they see what pours out. 1426 01:02:45.583 --> 01:02:47.416 One of the things we do an Edison Healthcare 1427 01:02:47.416 --> 01:02:49.625 is we take patients who've been told 1428 01:02:49.625 --> 01:02:51.750 to have a spine surgery, 1429 01:02:51.750 --> 01:02:54.125 and we send them to centers 1430 01:02:54.125 --> 01:02:58.625 that do an outstanding job of diagnosing people. 1431 01:02:58.625 --> 01:03:02.125 About 60% of the people we send to these centers 1432 01:03:02.125 --> 01:03:05.708 who've been told that spine surgery have been misdiagnosed 1433 01:03:05.708 --> 01:03:07.500 and don't need a spine surgery. 1434 01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:09.791 - [Reporter] Walmart saved $30,000 1435 01:03:09.791 --> 01:03:12.875 by seeking a second opinion at Geisinger where it 1436 01:03:12.875 --> 01:03:15.916 was revealed that the mild neck pain wouldn't improve 1437 01:03:15.916 --> 01:03:18.875 with spine surgery because the employee 1438 01:03:18.875 --> 01:03:21.166 actually had Parkinson's disease. 1439 01:03:21.166 --> 01:03:23.625 - One of the shocking statistics is that we realized 1440 01:03:23.625 --> 01:03:26.500 that for patients who have certain types 1441 01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:28.416 of musculoskeletal surgeries, 1442 01:03:28.416 --> 01:03:30.083 more than 50% of them 1443 01:03:30.083 --> 01:03:32.416 either did not receive a favorable outcome 1444 01:03:32.416 --> 01:03:34.166 or the procedure was inappropriate 1445 01:03:34.166 --> 01:03:36.250 and not medically necessary to begin with. 1446 01:03:41.583 --> 01:03:43.250 - I started as a surgeon, 1447 01:03:44.083 --> 01:03:46.000 but I was also had a PhD. 1448 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.500 And was trained in research. 1449 01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:50.750 - [Reporter] This is the C. Wayne Mcllwraith 1450 01:03:50.750 --> 01:03:52.958 Translational Medicine Center, 1451 01:03:52.958 --> 01:03:55.083 named after the founding director of the 1452 01:03:55.083 --> 01:03:58.833 Orthopedic Research Center at Colorado State University, 1453 01:03:58.833 --> 01:04:01.125 Dr. C. Wayne Mcllwraith. 1454 01:04:01.125 --> 01:04:04.083 - There was an internship in large animal surgery. 1455 01:04:04.083 --> 01:04:05.750 And that was when I knew what I wanted 1456 01:04:05.750 --> 01:04:07.291 to do for the rest of my life. 1457 01:04:07.291 --> 01:04:10.666 I wanted to be involved in equine surgery and I 1458 01:04:10.666 --> 01:04:13.416 was particularly interested in equine orthopedics. 1459 01:04:18.875 --> 01:04:21.000 Because at that time, there was no MRI. 1460 01:04:21.875 --> 01:04:26.875 And people would base their diagnosis on symptoms. 1461 01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:28.625 And then often they'd say, well, 1462 01:04:28.625 --> 01:04:30.625 you've got medial knee pain, therefore, 1463 01:04:30.625 --> 01:04:31.750 we'll do an arthrotomy 1464 01:04:31.750 --> 01:04:33.708 and take your meniscus out. 1465 01:04:33.708 --> 01:04:36.708 And your meniscus wasn't always the problem. 1466 01:04:36.708 --> 01:04:39.125 So the thing with diagnostic arthroscopy 1467 01:04:39.125 --> 01:04:41.250 it revolutionized diagnosis, 1468 01:04:41.250 --> 01:04:44.416 because you could go in and ascertain do you 1469 01:04:44.416 --> 01:04:46.500 indeed have a meniscal tear? 1470 01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:48.750 Or do you have something else? 1471 01:04:48.750 --> 01:04:50.750 And then, when I got so far 1472 01:04:50.750 --> 01:04:52.208 with arthroscopic surgery, 1473 01:04:52.208 --> 01:04:54.333 as we've talked briefly about, 1474 01:04:54.333 --> 01:04:56.083 then you find your limitations. 1475 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.708 And as they did in humans as well, 1476 01:05:00.708 --> 01:05:03.416 - For those of us who are clinician scientists, 1477 01:05:03.416 --> 01:05:06.125 you're motivated by frustration. 1478 01:05:06.125 --> 01:05:07.583 I mean, I hate to say it that way, 1479 01:05:07.583 --> 01:05:08.416 but that's what it is. 1480 01:05:08.416 --> 01:05:10.208 There's a question in the clinic, 1481 01:05:10.208 --> 01:05:11.750 you just can't answer. 1482 01:05:11.750 --> 01:05:15.041 You can't fix a horse or person or whatever it is. 1483 01:05:15.041 --> 01:05:18.041 - A big part of my caseload or resources. 1484 01:05:18.041 --> 01:05:20.250 And the phrase horses don't come back and win 1485 01:05:20.250 --> 01:05:24.041 in the same class that they were before injury. 1486 01:05:24.041 --> 01:05:25.750 That's a relative failure. 1487 01:05:25.750 --> 01:05:28.750 Just like the NFL player that can't come back 1488 01:05:28.750 --> 01:05:31.833 and play at the same level is a failure, 1489 01:05:31.833 --> 01:05:36.083 at least to the to the team management. 1490 01:05:36.083 --> 01:05:38.583 And so there's a lot of pressure for us 1491 01:05:38.583 --> 01:05:40.958 to get the optimal repair. 1492 01:05:44.083 --> 01:05:46.416 - I arrived back here in 92. 1493 01:05:46.416 --> 01:05:48.791 Dave Frisbie arrived in 93. 1494 01:05:48.791 --> 01:05:51.875 Three of us worked on all these projects is interesting 1495 01:05:51.875 --> 01:05:56.250 when we started doing the basic research around stem cells. 1496 01:05:56.250 --> 01:05:57.166 It's like, hey, 1497 01:05:57.166 --> 01:06:00.916 this could be really good. 1498 01:06:00.916 --> 01:06:04.125 - I'd been working with one particular client 1499 01:06:04.125 --> 01:06:07.291 and his name is Steve Grove, 1500 01:06:07.291 --> 01:06:10.000 and he happened to be the founder of Applebee's and... 1501 01:06:12.625 --> 01:06:14.750 Star was a perfect candidate. 1502 01:06:14.750 --> 01:06:16.875 She had one of the worst meniscal 1503 01:06:16.875 --> 01:06:19.583 injuries I've yet to see in my career. 1504 01:06:19.583 --> 01:06:23.083 And we treated her with stem cells after surgery 1505 01:06:23.083 --> 01:06:26.458 and she came back in six months and was sound. 1506 01:06:26.458 --> 01:06:28.083 - You have enough of those cases. 1507 01:06:28.083 --> 01:06:29.083 If it's a one off, 1508 01:06:29.083 --> 01:06:30.583 or two or three, you're like, Okay, 1509 01:06:30.583 --> 01:06:32.750 it's probably just a law of averages. 1510 01:06:32.750 --> 01:06:34.583 But when you start having dozens 1511 01:06:34.583 --> 01:06:36.833 of them returned significantly better 1512 01:06:36.833 --> 01:06:38.291 than they had before. 1513 01:06:38.291 --> 01:06:40.083 That is an aha moment. 1514 01:06:41.208 --> 01:06:44.166 It's not sometimes just the single case, 1515 01:06:44.166 --> 01:06:45.750 or the one off that you see 1516 01:06:45.750 --> 01:06:48.291 that you're impressed by its the data, 1517 01:06:48.291 --> 01:06:50.666 and critically evaluating the data, 1518 01:06:50.666 --> 01:06:51.583 both clinical data, 1519 01:06:51.583 --> 01:06:52.958 research data and saying, look, 1520 01:06:52.958 --> 01:06:55.916 we've really got something here that we need 1521 01:06:55.916 --> 01:06:57.166 to go forward with. 1522 01:06:58.125 --> 01:07:00.250 - About that same time a paper came out, 1523 01:07:00.250 --> 01:07:02.666 I was big and keeping up with the medical literature. 1524 01:07:02.666 --> 01:07:05.916 I read an article about rabbits 1525 01:07:05.916 --> 01:07:08.541 where they created a degenerative disc. 1526 01:07:08.541 --> 01:07:11.208 And then they went ahead and injected stem cells 1527 01:07:11.208 --> 01:07:12.916 into that disc, 1528 01:07:12.916 --> 01:07:15.833 and the disc kind of magically regrew. 1529 01:07:15.833 --> 01:07:18.250 So this was the first article I've ever seen 1530 01:07:18.250 --> 01:07:21.083 that talked about regeneration in an area 1531 01:07:21.083 --> 01:07:23.166 of the body I was working with every day. 1532 01:07:30.583 --> 01:07:33.416 So I just googled who was doing this around me, 1533 01:07:33.416 --> 01:07:35.083 and that's how I got in touch 1534 01:07:35.083 --> 01:07:39.750 with John Kizzade who was a researcher at the CSU 1535 01:07:39.750 --> 01:07:41.916 Orthopedic Research Center. 1536 01:07:41.916 --> 01:07:45.250 And basically equine athletes race horses, 1537 01:07:45.250 --> 01:07:48.500 they were doing peripheral joints, we're shooting spine. 1538 01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:50.791 So I basically just cold call them. 1539 01:07:50.791 --> 01:07:53.208 So I went up there, we met, 1540 01:07:53.208 --> 01:07:57.416 and I got a chance to kind of pitch an idea that I had 1541 01:07:57.416 --> 01:07:59.416 that we should take this from an equine 1542 01:07:59.416 --> 01:08:01.916 or horse model into a human model. 1543 01:08:01.916 --> 01:08:03.625 Now they didn't do anything in spine, 1544 01:08:03.625 --> 01:08:05.916 there was no horse veterinary spine care, 1545 01:08:05.916 --> 01:08:07.500 it was all joints. 1546 01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:09.916 So we decided to do both joints and spine 1547 01:08:09.916 --> 01:08:11.291 and then move from there. 1548 01:08:11.291 --> 01:08:15.041 Now to do that we needed an institutional review board. 1549 01:08:15.041 --> 01:08:18.083 And we also needed to check what the FDA regulations were. 1550 01:08:19.666 --> 01:08:21.291 I sent an email out saying hey, 1551 01:08:21.291 --> 01:08:24.458 we're thinking of doing this in patients. 1552 01:08:24.458 --> 01:08:25.875 What are the regulations? 1553 01:08:25.875 --> 01:08:28.208 Is this a drug, not a drug. 1554 01:08:28.208 --> 01:08:29.875 And what was really fascinating to me 1555 01:08:29.875 --> 01:08:31.333 is a couple days later, 1556 01:08:31.333 --> 01:08:33.083 I got back an email that 1557 01:08:33.083 --> 01:08:35.541 was the most confused thing I've ever read. 1558 01:08:36.583 --> 01:08:41.083 Basically, the person that sent it back and 1559 01:08:41.083 --> 01:08:44.958 included the entire email chain on there, 1560 01:08:44.958 --> 01:08:47.083 and so I got to start roll through this thing 1561 01:08:47.083 --> 01:08:49.250 and it bounced from department to department 1562 01:08:49.250 --> 01:08:51.291 to department to department. 1563 01:08:51.291 --> 01:08:53.208 And it seemed like there was a little consensus 1564 01:08:53.208 --> 01:08:54.916 within the FDA as to whether 1565 01:08:54.916 --> 01:08:56.916 or not what we wanted to do, 1566 01:08:56.916 --> 01:08:58.666 which was to take the patient's stem cells, 1567 01:08:58.666 --> 01:09:01.583 grow them to bigger numbers and put them back in 1568 01:09:01.583 --> 01:09:04.291 was a drug or a medical procedure. 1569 01:09:04.291 --> 01:09:05.083 So at that point, 1570 01:09:05.083 --> 01:09:07.208 I said, I'm not gonna get my answer with FDA, 1571 01:09:07.208 --> 01:09:10.083 I'm going to need to hire some regulatory attorneys 1572 01:09:10.083 --> 01:09:10.916 to vet all of this. 1573 01:09:10.916 --> 01:09:12.250 - Dr. Centeno. 1574 01:09:12.250 --> 01:09:16.583 And my firm we began working together to address the issue. 1575 01:09:16.583 --> 01:09:18.166 - [Chris] They actually put together and 1576 01:09:18.166 --> 01:09:20.416 sourced a couple different opinions. 1577 01:09:20.416 --> 01:09:21.541 At the time, 1578 01:09:21.541 --> 01:09:24.666 their opinion was this was all a medical procedure. 1579 01:09:24.666 --> 01:09:27.083 - So the tissue that's being used is taken 1580 01:09:27.083 --> 01:09:29.416 from the patient and put back into the patient, 1581 01:09:29.416 --> 01:09:31.208 - Its the patient's own cells. 1582 01:09:31.208 --> 01:09:33.916 And we were taking those cells and growing those cells 1583 01:09:33.916 --> 01:09:34.750 to bigger numbers 1584 01:09:34.750 --> 01:09:37.041 and putting them back into the same patient. 1585 01:09:37.041 --> 01:09:38.375 So that was not a drug 1586 01:09:38.375 --> 01:09:40.250 that did not need FDA approval. 1587 01:09:41.250 --> 01:09:43.083 So this was an interesting moment in my life 1588 01:09:43.083 --> 01:09:46.416 because I had gotten off the hamster wheel, 1589 01:09:46.416 --> 01:09:48.125 I'd sold my practice. 1590 01:09:48.125 --> 01:09:52.083 And I got a chance to do this two year study. 1591 01:09:52.083 --> 01:09:54.708 And this two year study and 50 patients, 1592 01:09:54.708 --> 01:09:57.250 I didn't need to charge the patients. 1593 01:09:57.250 --> 01:09:58.083 So I didn't. 1594 01:09:58.083 --> 01:09:59.291 And there were no textbooks. 1595 01:09:59.291 --> 01:10:01.666 There was nothing you could really read. 1596 01:10:01.666 --> 01:10:05.375 Because outside of a few things done in Paris, France 1597 01:10:05.375 --> 01:10:07.458 by Phillippe Hernigou and his group, 1598 01:10:07.458 --> 01:10:09.916 there was no one who had done anything like this. 1599 01:10:09.916 --> 01:10:12.166 - My first patient was in 1987. 1600 01:10:14.500 --> 01:10:17.250 It was a patient with iposonic crozes 1601 01:10:19.208 --> 01:10:23.708 and she's patient up to this moment is perfect. 1602 01:10:23.708 --> 01:10:27.208 She, she has not (speaks in foreign language) 1603 01:10:27.208 --> 01:10:30.041 and she is pain free, at this moment, 1604 01:10:30.041 --> 01:10:33.875 we have treated more than 4,000 patients 1605 01:10:33.875 --> 01:10:35.333 with bone marrow aspiration, 1606 01:10:35.333 --> 01:10:38.916 - Really that MRI evidence stuff is what got me excited 1607 01:10:38.916 --> 01:10:41.458 because it's one thing for the patient 1608 01:10:41.458 --> 01:10:43.500 to say they're feeling better, 1609 01:10:43.500 --> 01:10:44.958 they can do more, 1610 01:10:44.958 --> 01:10:47.250 but then it's another to see something like 1611 01:10:47.250 --> 01:10:49.250 that objectively on an MRI. 1612 01:10:51.583 --> 01:10:54.083 We know as physicians, this is working, 1613 01:10:54.083 --> 01:10:56.250 we published some early papers. 1614 01:10:56.250 --> 01:10:58.583 Let's go ahead and start offering this to patients. 1615 01:10:58.583 --> 01:11:02.416 - In 2008, Dr. Centeno had a website up 1616 01:11:02.416 --> 01:11:04.250 for regenerative sciences. 1617 01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:06.250 - And within six months of doing that, 1618 01:11:06.250 --> 01:11:07.916 we ended up getting a letter 1619 01:11:07.916 --> 01:11:10.041 from FDA certified letter. 1620 01:11:10.041 --> 01:11:11.750 But it basically said, hey, 1621 01:11:11.750 --> 01:11:15.625 we think you might be doing something that is akin 1622 01:11:15.625 --> 01:11:16.875 to creating a drug. 1623 01:11:16.875 --> 01:11:18.875 And if you do you need FDA approval. 1624 01:11:18.875 --> 01:11:20.958 But we're not taking a position on that yet. 1625 01:11:20.958 --> 01:11:23.500 - We file suit against the FDA. 1626 01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:25.625 - But every time we took that to a judge, 1627 01:11:25.625 --> 01:11:27.541 the judge would come back and say the case isn't right. 1628 01:11:27.541 --> 01:11:31.791 And what that means in legal terms, is that, hey, 1629 01:11:31.791 --> 01:11:34.083 the FDA is taking no position here 1630 01:11:34.083 --> 01:11:36.041 until they take a formal position 1631 01:11:36.041 --> 01:11:38.083 that what you're doing is wrong 1632 01:11:38.083 --> 01:11:39.458 or against the regulations, 1633 01:11:39.458 --> 01:11:41.708 you can't challenge them in court. 1634 01:11:44.416 --> 01:11:47.166 - At the highest level, it's established, 1635 01:11:47.166 --> 01:11:50.416 at least by the federal courts in Washington DC, 1636 01:11:50.416 --> 01:11:53.583 that FDA has the jurisdiction to regulate 1637 01:11:53.583 --> 01:11:56.958 these types of procedures, even when, again, 1638 01:11:56.958 --> 01:11:58.875 it's an autologous procedure. 1639 01:11:58.875 --> 01:12:01.250 So the tissue that's being used is taken 1640 01:12:01.250 --> 01:12:03.750 from the patient and put back into the patient. 1641 01:12:03.750 --> 01:12:06.750 - The FDA's only issue 1642 01:12:06.750 --> 01:12:08.750 was that we were culturing the cells 1643 01:12:08.750 --> 01:12:10.291 to get more cells, 1644 01:12:10.291 --> 01:12:13.250 if we just took the cells out 1645 01:12:13.250 --> 01:12:16.750 and isolated the stem cell fraction and put them back in 1646 01:12:16.750 --> 01:12:18.541 they didn't have a problem with that. 1647 01:12:19.666 --> 01:12:22.708 - [Reporter] So we see here that the FDA is okay 1648 01:12:22.708 --> 01:12:24.750 with you using your own stem cells 1649 01:12:24.750 --> 01:12:28.333 from your own bone marrow to treat orthopedic conditions 1650 01:12:28.333 --> 01:12:31.458 as part of the physician's practice of medicine. 1651 01:12:31.458 --> 01:12:34.750 However, the FDA will not allow a physician 1652 01:12:34.750 --> 01:12:36.416 to culture expand cells. 1653 01:12:36.416 --> 01:12:39.250 - And ultimately as a result of the case 1654 01:12:40.416 --> 01:12:44.166 We have the benefit of a stipulation 1655 01:12:44.166 --> 01:12:45.916 that allows regenerative sciences 1656 01:12:45.916 --> 01:12:49.125 to go forward with certain procedures 1657 01:12:49.125 --> 01:12:51.583 in the United States procedures not 1658 01:12:51.583 --> 01:12:53.666 involving culture expansion, 1659 01:12:53.666 --> 01:12:55.583 but procedures that are still in use today and 1660 01:12:55.583 --> 01:12:58.291 that have been audited on multiple times by FDA 1661 01:12:58.291 --> 01:13:01.583 procedures that involve simply the concentration 1662 01:13:01.583 --> 01:13:03.250 of the bone marrow, 1663 01:13:03.250 --> 01:13:06.083 and then the use of that concentrated bone marrow, 1664 01:13:06.083 --> 01:13:08.375 which is rich in stem cells 1665 01:13:08.375 --> 01:13:11.916 into the patient for orthopedic purposes. 1666 01:13:11.916 --> 01:13:13.041 - So why does it work? 1667 01:13:13.041 --> 01:13:15.000 It stimulates the body's reparative process, 1668 01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:17.291 there is an innate ability to heal. 1669 01:13:17.291 --> 01:13:19.541 So a really easy analogy for me 1670 01:13:19.541 --> 01:13:21.416 is if you cut yourself, right, 1671 01:13:21.416 --> 01:13:24.916 you bleed and you clot and you just expect it 1672 01:13:24.916 --> 01:13:26.125 to heal because that's the natural process, right? 1673 01:13:26.125 --> 01:13:27.791 It's it's gonna heal. 1674 01:13:27.791 --> 01:13:28.625 Why does that happen? 1675 01:13:28.625 --> 01:13:30.291 'Cause there's a really rich blood supply. 1676 01:13:30.291 --> 01:13:32.958 And so when you're injured, those cells, those platelets, 1677 01:13:32.958 --> 01:13:34.750 they aggregate to the area, they clot, 1678 01:13:34.750 --> 01:13:37.291 they break down and they send out messages 1679 01:13:37.291 --> 01:13:38.708 hey body were injured, 1680 01:13:38.708 --> 01:13:41.166 send stem cells and reparative cells come in here, 1681 01:13:41.166 --> 01:13:43.750 clean the mess, let's rebuild the tissue, 1682 01:13:43.750 --> 01:13:45.208 certain tissues and the ones that you hear 1683 01:13:45.208 --> 01:13:46.583 that patients have surgeries for, 1684 01:13:46.583 --> 01:13:50.916 like labrum, and meniscus and discs, and joints, cartilage, 1685 01:13:50.916 --> 01:13:53.250 those are inherently poorly vascularized 1686 01:13:53.250 --> 01:13:55.125 they have a bad blood supply inherently, 1687 01:13:55.125 --> 01:13:57.250 as we age that blood supply becomes even worse 1688 01:13:57.250 --> 01:13:59.291 and we live life we fight gravity 1689 01:13:59.291 --> 01:14:02.500 and tissue breaks down and so then we need that 1690 01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:04.166 to heal and it doesn't it does just doesn't have 1691 01:14:04.166 --> 01:14:05.125 the capacity. 1692 01:14:05.125 --> 01:14:08.291 And so we have had the our paradigm has been 1693 01:14:08.291 --> 01:14:09.125 treat the symptoms 1694 01:14:09.125 --> 01:14:10.083 so make it feel better, 1695 01:14:10.083 --> 01:14:14.291 douse it with anti inflammatory or steroids or narcotics, 1696 01:14:14.291 --> 01:14:16.333 take away the pain, hide it, mask it, 1697 01:14:16.333 --> 01:14:17.166 and then when it's bad enough, 1698 01:14:17.166 --> 01:14:18.166 cut it out. 1699 01:14:18.166 --> 01:14:20.250 Right, or put a screw across it. 1700 01:14:20.250 --> 01:14:22.166 And so what we're realizing is 1701 01:14:22.166 --> 01:14:24.166 this really elegant system that the body has 1702 01:14:24.166 --> 01:14:25.250 that we're just activating it. 1703 01:14:25.250 --> 01:14:26.791 - We did a double blind randomized 1704 01:14:26.791 --> 01:14:29.375 controlled trial of intradiscal, 1705 01:14:29.375 --> 01:14:31.208 platelet rich plasma. 1706 01:14:31.208 --> 01:14:33.250 And we published that a few years ago, 1707 01:14:33.250 --> 01:14:35.625 and it showed a statistically significant improvement 1708 01:14:35.625 --> 01:14:38.583 in outcome and functional improvement. 1709 01:14:38.583 --> 01:14:39.916 And we just went through our five 1710 01:14:39.916 --> 01:14:41.750 to nine year outcome. 1711 01:14:41.750 --> 01:14:44.708 Study data from the original double blind study 1712 01:14:44.708 --> 01:14:47.416 and it shows 70% success with one injection 1713 01:14:47.416 --> 01:14:48.750 for average of six years. 1714 01:14:52.166 --> 01:14:53.833 - And as I think you've already learned 1715 01:14:53.833 --> 01:14:58.375 there's a big variation between valid biologic therapies 1716 01:14:58.375 --> 01:15:00.000 and non valid, 1717 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:04.625 and like the use of the term stem cells has become abused. 1718 01:15:04.625 --> 01:15:07.916 - If this field is ever going to be real, 1719 01:15:07.916 --> 01:15:10.291 we have to get rid of those bad actors. 1720 01:15:10.291 --> 01:15:13.500 - And that's why you've got to have places 1721 01:15:13.500 --> 01:15:17.458 to protect honesty or develop honesty. 1722 01:15:17.458 --> 01:15:19.833 And so that Interventional Orthopedic Foundation, 1723 01:15:19.833 --> 01:15:22.500 which is where I met you, that meeting, 1724 01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:23.416 and I'm on the board. 1725 01:15:23.416 --> 01:15:24.791 - So I went through the fellowship with Dr. Centeno, 1726 01:15:24.791 --> 01:15:26.708 he's one of the reasons why I came out here 1727 01:15:26.708 --> 01:15:28.208 because of the high level of training that you get, 1728 01:15:28.208 --> 01:15:29.666 we don't really get that anywhere 1729 01:15:29.666 --> 01:15:30.500 in the United States, 1730 01:15:30.500 --> 01:15:32.916 where you can get great spine and joint training. 1731 01:15:32.916 --> 01:15:35.416 So Doc Centeno really founded that with the clinic 1732 01:15:35.416 --> 01:15:37.000 and then he kinda expanded that 1733 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.000 to be available to all the physicians in the US and abroad. 1734 01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:40.833 With the Iowa. 1735 01:15:40.833 --> 01:15:43.416 - It's an important group to turn around and not 1736 01:15:43.416 --> 01:15:45.083 only prove efficacy, 1737 01:15:45.083 --> 01:15:48.416 but also encourage research 1738 01:15:48.416 --> 01:15:51.541 that defines what's the most effective treatment. 1739 01:15:51.541 --> 01:15:53.583 - I'm the head team physician for the Atlanta Hawks. 1740 01:15:53.583 --> 01:15:56.500 I also am a team doctor for the Atlanta Braves. 1741 01:15:56.500 --> 01:15:59.791 My concern is that from a government 1742 01:15:59.791 --> 01:16:01.583 and a regulatory point of view, 1743 01:16:01.583 --> 01:16:03.458 they're not gonna, at some point, 1744 01:16:03.458 --> 01:16:04.666 they're either not gonna be able to, 1745 01:16:04.666 --> 01:16:07.083 or they're not gonna want to distinguish the good actors 1746 01:16:07.083 --> 01:16:08.500 from the bad actors. 1747 01:16:08.500 --> 01:16:10.875 And they're gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater, 1748 01:16:10.875 --> 01:16:11.791 so to speak. 1749 01:16:11.791 --> 01:16:13.875 - So you need an organization to kinda sift through 1750 01:16:13.875 --> 01:16:15.708 this in a scientific manner, 1751 01:16:15.708 --> 01:16:19.083 to create standards and guidelines to create a method 1752 01:16:19.083 --> 01:16:22.958 that the mainstream medical profession would appreciate. 1753 01:16:22.958 --> 01:16:25.041 - Like, I think I'm a pretty darn good doctor, right. 1754 01:16:25.041 --> 01:16:27.416 But when I'm given all of this information, 1755 01:16:27.416 --> 01:16:28.583 it's really difficult. 1756 01:16:28.583 --> 01:16:31.250 - Different products that confuses the general public 1757 01:16:31.250 --> 01:16:32.083 and in fact, 1758 01:16:32.083 --> 01:16:35.416 confuses most of the mainstream medical professionals. 1759 01:16:35.416 --> 01:16:37.791 - It's taken a year so I've been doing this for 10 years. 1760 01:16:37.791 --> 01:16:39.208 And I'm still not, I don't consider myself 1761 01:16:39.208 --> 01:16:40.625 a cell expert at all. 1762 01:16:40.625 --> 01:16:43.000 - I think I was an early adopter of some 1763 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:47.791 of our earliest trials of orthobiologics, PRP and such, 1764 01:16:47.791 --> 01:16:49.750 as well as using ultrasound, 1765 01:16:49.750 --> 01:16:52.875 which is not standard for orthopedic surgeons. 1766 01:16:52.875 --> 01:16:54.916 - Education is the name of the game. 1767 01:16:54.916 --> 01:16:55.791 It's about learning. 1768 01:16:55.791 --> 01:16:57.083 It's about getting better. 1769 01:16:57.083 --> 01:16:59.250 - $200,000 worth of equipment in here 1770 01:16:59.250 --> 01:17:01.875 you can see we always have the image broadcast 1771 01:17:01.875 --> 01:17:03.875 on the TV because it's important for the patient 1772 01:17:03.875 --> 01:17:04.708 to know what we're doing. 1773 01:17:04.708 --> 01:17:06.416 We don't do any blind injections, 1774 01:17:06.416 --> 01:17:09.041 we know that the efficacy of blind injections is only 1775 01:17:09.041 --> 01:17:10.750 about 50 to 60%. 1776 01:17:10.750 --> 01:17:12.416 When you add an image guided injection, 1777 01:17:12.416 --> 01:17:14.166 you can get the efficacy up to 100%. 1778 01:17:14.166 --> 01:17:17.750 - Going to the Mecca and seeing exactly where all 1779 01:17:17.750 --> 01:17:21.083 this stuff is being done and how it 1780 01:17:21.083 --> 01:17:22.416 was being done. 1781 01:17:22.416 --> 01:17:24.291 Just made me think this 1782 01:17:24.291 --> 01:17:26.750 is exactly what I should be doing 1783 01:17:26.750 --> 01:17:28.291 exactly what I should be doing. 1784 01:17:30.791 --> 01:17:33.291 - We pay about $80 million a year 1785 01:17:33.291 --> 01:17:35.416 for health coverage for our employees. 1786 01:17:35.416 --> 01:17:38.875 And almost every medical plan in the country 1787 01:17:38.875 --> 01:17:41.333 is under extreme stress. 1788 01:17:41.333 --> 01:17:43.166 Because of the rapid escalation 1789 01:17:43.166 --> 01:17:45.416 in costs across the board. 1790 01:17:45.416 --> 01:17:50.416 I took over as CEO on July one of 2007. 1791 01:17:56.250 --> 01:17:57.833 Over the last decade, 1792 01:17:57.833 --> 01:18:00.083 our compound annual growth in the cost 1793 01:18:00.083 --> 01:18:02.458 of running the plan is about four 1794 01:18:02.458 --> 01:18:03.416 and a half percent. 1795 01:18:04.416 --> 01:18:06.708 And that is less than half 1796 01:18:06.708 --> 01:18:10.291 of the national average through the leader 1797 01:18:10.291 --> 01:18:12.500 of our benefit activity. 1798 01:18:12.500 --> 01:18:14.791 I became aware of research 1799 01:18:14.791 --> 01:18:19.333 that was being done by Dr. Centeno and really asked for us 1800 01:18:19.333 --> 01:18:21.916 to take a deep dive into that, 1801 01:18:21.916 --> 01:18:23.208 and see if it might be 1802 01:18:23.208 --> 01:18:25.875 something applicable for our employees. 1803 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:30.750 We made the procedure available 1804 01:18:30.750 --> 01:18:33.083 as an option under our medical plan, 1805 01:18:33.083 --> 01:18:36.291 not a requirement, just an option. 1806 01:18:36.291 --> 01:18:38.708 And we began to track the results. 1807 01:18:38.708 --> 01:18:41.458 The procedures were successful financially, 1808 01:18:41.458 --> 01:18:43.958 it is a big win for the medical plan. 1809 01:18:46.208 --> 01:18:50.583 Four years in roughly 80 employees have had some procedure 1810 01:18:50.583 --> 01:18:55.583 or another and all were successful except for one to date, 1811 01:18:56.250 --> 01:18:59.791 the regenix cost of these procedures. 1812 01:18:59.791 --> 01:19:03.875 Plus all of the follow on physical therapy claims 1813 01:19:03.875 --> 01:19:07.416 is roughly $425,000. 1814 01:19:07.416 --> 01:19:10.208 The surgical costs that were avoided 1815 01:19:10.208 --> 01:19:13.375 is roughly $1.6 million. 1816 01:19:13.375 --> 01:19:16.750 There are two broad categories of stem cells, the legal camp 1817 01:19:16.750 --> 01:19:20.250 and the non legal within the subset of non legal, 1818 01:19:20.250 --> 01:19:22.208 there are bad actors, 1819 01:19:22.208 --> 01:19:25.166 felons and fraudsters and most importantly, 1820 01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:28.083 patients who have been seriously harmed. 1821 01:19:28.083 --> 01:19:31.666 The bad actors in this field tend to cluster on 1822 01:19:31.666 --> 01:19:33.250 these illegal procedures. 1823 01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:37.041 - [Reporter] Today, the legitimate is being drowned out 1824 01:19:37.041 --> 01:19:40.333 by a tsunami of frauds, ex cons, 1825 01:19:40.333 --> 01:19:44.291 scammers and FDA labeled bad actors. 1826 01:19:44.291 --> 01:19:47.083 To really understand how this happened. 1827 01:19:47.083 --> 01:19:48.958 We need to understand the role that 1828 01:19:48.958 --> 01:19:51.416 social media promoters play. 1829 01:19:51.416 --> 01:19:53.916 One of the largest stem cell promoters 1830 01:19:53.916 --> 01:19:57.208 in the natural medicine industry is Dan Pompa. 1831 01:19:57.208 --> 01:19:59.916 Stem cells are the future of medicine, changed my world. 1832 01:19:59.916 --> 01:20:02.708 A former chiropractor who mirrors many 1833 01:20:02.708 --> 01:20:04.791 of the same sales strategies. 1834 01:20:04.791 --> 01:20:08.583 As the former TV evangelist Jim and Tammy Bakker. 1835 01:20:08.583 --> 01:20:10.250 - Hi Tammy Faye. - Hi Tim Bakker. 1836 01:20:10.250 --> 01:20:12.791 - [Reporter] You may remember Jim Bakker. 1837 01:20:12.791 --> 01:20:15.833 ♪ Praise the Lord ♪ 1838 01:20:15.833 --> 01:20:18.875 - [Reporter] He was a master at selling to and raising money 1839 01:20:18.875 --> 01:20:21.000 from the evangelical audience. 1840 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:23.250 - You get up to a million dollars of benefits 1841 01:20:23.250 --> 01:20:24.708 for a gift to $3,000. 1842 01:20:24.708 --> 01:20:26.666 - [Reporter] But he stole from his ministry 1843 01:20:26.666 --> 01:20:28.583 became a felon for stealing, 1844 01:20:28.583 --> 01:20:32.000 but made this interesting comeback. 1845 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:34.750 - And its about time you all pray for discernment. 1846 01:20:34.750 --> 01:20:37.583 - [Reporter] Today, Jim Bakker blends a ministry 1847 01:20:37.583 --> 01:20:40.416 with selling an array of health care products 1848 01:20:40.416 --> 01:20:43.750 by building trust with his evangelical audience 1849 01:20:43.750 --> 01:20:47.041 using references to God and politics. 1850 01:20:47.041 --> 01:20:48.791 - Because who you vote for, 1851 01:20:48.791 --> 01:20:51.083 and who are you don't vote for or what you're doing, 1852 01:20:51.083 --> 01:20:52.416 it's life and death right now. 1853 01:20:52.416 --> 01:20:54.375 - [Congregant] Amen. - In this country. 1854 01:20:54.375 --> 01:20:56.041 - [Reporter] In 2008, 1855 01:20:56.041 --> 01:20:57.916 Dan Pompa caught the attention 1856 01:20:57.916 --> 01:21:01.166 of a religion student at the University of Pittsburgh 1857 01:21:01.166 --> 01:21:04.416 - Tomorrow I graduated with my PhD in religious studies 1858 01:21:04.416 --> 01:21:05.916 from the University of Pittsburgh, 1859 01:21:05.916 --> 01:21:09.250 - [Reporter] Susie Meister's mom told her I can't eat that 1860 01:21:09.250 --> 01:21:11.000 because it isn't God food, 1861 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.541 referring to a plan developed by her mom's chiropractor 1862 01:21:14.541 --> 01:21:15.458 Dan Pompa. 1863 01:21:15.458 --> 01:21:17.958 - The healing guide consists of no grains and no sugar. 1864 01:21:17.958 --> 01:21:19.583 - [Reporter] Susie studied Dan Pompa's 1865 01:21:19.583 --> 01:21:22.958 evangelical sales approach, and he was the focus 1866 01:21:22.958 --> 01:21:25.583 of her 60 page master's thesis, 1867 01:21:25.583 --> 01:21:29.083 Work of the Lord, an Ethnographic Case Study 1868 01:21:29.083 --> 01:21:31.583 of an Evangelical Entrepreneur. 1869 01:21:31.583 --> 01:21:35.166 Her papers cited how Dan would use Christian rhetoric 1870 01:21:35.166 --> 01:21:36.916 to sell his services, 1871 01:21:36.916 --> 01:21:38.708 legitimize his practice, 1872 01:21:38.708 --> 01:21:41.500 and establish a trusting relationship with his patient. 1873 01:21:41.500 --> 01:21:44.125 - The true cellular detox is something and again, 1874 01:21:44.125 --> 01:21:47.208 I really believe this is a revelation for me. 1875 01:21:47.208 --> 01:21:49.000 - And God always confirms to me 1876 01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:51.250 that He's raising up a group 1877 01:21:51.250 --> 01:21:53.833 to answer the calling at hand. 1878 01:21:53.833 --> 01:21:55.500 - [Reporter] Pompa successfully markets 1879 01:21:55.500 --> 01:21:57.250 his secular services, 1880 01:21:57.250 --> 01:21:59.333 by using the evangelical brand. 1881 01:21:59.333 --> 01:22:00.625 - God gives you these words, 1882 01:22:00.625 --> 01:22:03.250 man, and she just comes at you hard and heavy. 1883 01:22:03.250 --> 01:22:04.083 That could still happen, so stick to it. 1884 01:22:04.083 --> 01:22:07.000 - I've been doing a lot of praying though, 1885 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:09.666 obviously for myself and our family 1886 01:22:09.666 --> 01:22:11.291 and for other people, too, 1887 01:22:11.291 --> 01:22:12.125 including all of you. 1888 01:22:12.125 --> 01:22:13.500 - Prayed for you this morning, we did. 1889 01:22:13.500 --> 01:22:14.333 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1890 01:22:14.333 --> 01:22:16.583 - And it was ironic because my wife and I were 1891 01:22:16.583 --> 01:22:18.458 in the room and I just got done praying 1892 01:22:18.458 --> 01:22:20.250 right before I came down here. 1893 01:22:20.250 --> 01:22:24.083 I'm not the only world changer and again, chosen, 1894 01:22:24.083 --> 01:22:26.541 through from pain to purpose from God. 1895 01:22:26.541 --> 01:22:28.083 I'm here with Merily, my wife, 1896 01:22:28.083 --> 01:22:30.416 - [Reporter] Merily's cousin had a request. 1897 01:22:30.416 --> 01:22:32.750 - She said, if anything ever happened to us, 1898 01:22:32.750 --> 01:22:33.791 would you take the kids? 1899 01:22:33.791 --> 01:22:35.750 And of course you say, yeah, of course. 1900 01:22:35.750 --> 01:22:38.666 - [Reporter] It was the day after Christmas in 2003, 1901 01:22:38.666 --> 01:22:42.916 around 8:50am, Les Young shot his wife Lisa in the kitchen 1902 01:22:42.916 --> 01:22:45.666 several times with a 22 revolver, 1903 01:22:45.666 --> 01:22:47.416 and then walked into his living room 1904 01:22:47.416 --> 01:22:48.583 and shot himself. 1905 01:22:48.583 --> 01:22:50.291 - Two seven year olds. 1906 01:22:50.291 --> 01:22:51.666 Were in the house boy and a girl 1907 01:22:51.666 --> 01:22:53.416 or they're my children today. 1908 01:22:53.416 --> 01:22:54.916 These three boys, 1909 01:22:54.916 --> 01:22:59.125 Daniel was originally our oldest right here, Daniel, Isaac, 1910 01:22:59.125 --> 01:23:00.625 put up your hand Isaac, 1911 01:23:00.625 --> 01:23:01.916 and then Simon. 1912 01:23:01.916 --> 01:23:04.000 These are our three natural children. 1913 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:06.333 And then we adopted Dylan and Olivia. 1914 01:23:06.333 --> 01:23:07.166 This is Olivia. 1915 01:23:07.166 --> 01:23:08.583 And that's Dylan over there. - [Merily] And they're twins. 1916 01:23:08.583 --> 01:23:09.416 - Yeah. 1917 01:23:09.416 --> 01:23:10.791 - [Reporter] They had a will. 1918 01:23:10.791 --> 01:23:12.500 The kids weren't to have full access 1919 01:23:12.500 --> 01:23:15.083 to the funds until age 30. 1920 01:23:15.083 --> 01:23:18.125 They were seven when the Pompa's became the fiduciary 1921 01:23:18.125 --> 01:23:19.125 of the trust. 1922 01:23:19.125 --> 01:23:20.083 - [Reporter] They're being charged now 1923 01:23:20.083 --> 01:23:24.416 for misusing the kids $1 million Trust Fund to pay for homes 1924 01:23:24.416 --> 01:23:26.291 and other luxury items. 1925 01:23:26.291 --> 01:23:29.750 - When headlines read chiropractor steals from orphans. 1926 01:23:29.750 --> 01:23:32.791 Oh yeah, one of those orphans is my daughter who Olivia, 1927 01:23:32.791 --> 01:23:34.291 who you'll get to meet 1928 01:23:34.291 --> 01:23:35.958 who just finished her first quarter 1929 01:23:35.958 --> 01:23:37.916 of chiropractic school. 1930 01:23:37.916 --> 01:23:39.541 Yeah, ask her. 1931 01:23:41.541 --> 01:23:44.333 Ask her how if those headlines were accurate. 1932 01:23:44.333 --> 01:23:46.458 - [Reporter] Let's see if the newspaper headlines 1933 01:23:46.458 --> 01:23:47.291 were accurate. 1934 01:23:47.291 --> 01:23:50.416 The DA's is office sent the actual affidavit 1935 01:23:50.416 --> 01:23:52.916 which itemizes month by month exactly 1936 01:23:52.916 --> 01:23:55.583 how the Pompa's has spent the orphans Trust Fund 1937 01:23:55.583 --> 01:23:58.458 from 2004 through 2009. 1938 01:23:58.458 --> 01:24:02.625 For example, in the month of February 2005. 1939 01:24:02.625 --> 01:24:06.916 They took $77,000 from the victims trust account, 1940 01:24:06.916 --> 01:24:09.791 over $56,000 of that money, 1941 01:24:09.791 --> 01:24:12.375 went to Merily Pompa that month. 1942 01:24:12.375 --> 01:24:14.583 This may remind you of another movie, 1943 01:24:14.583 --> 01:24:17.250 a fairy tale that's been adapted for film over and over 1944 01:24:17.250 --> 01:24:18.083 and over 1945 01:24:18.083 --> 01:24:18.916 and over 1946 01:24:18.916 --> 01:24:19.750 and over 1947 01:24:19.750 --> 01:24:21.500 and over again, 1948 01:24:21.500 --> 01:24:24.458 where a stepmother and the kids live off an orphans money. 1949 01:24:24.458 --> 01:24:25.416 - [Cinderella] Yes step mother. 1950 01:24:25.416 --> 01:24:28.791 - Oh you can't call me that, madam will do. 1951 01:24:28.791 --> 01:24:31.166 - [Reporter] Or a Victor Hugo's Les Miserables. 1952 01:24:33.458 --> 01:24:37.000 And how one couple milk Fantine for all that she was worth. 1953 01:24:42.708 --> 01:24:45.000 The affidavit shows how the Pompa's removed 1954 01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.458 over $2 million from the trust, 1955 01:24:47.458 --> 01:24:50.916 leaving just $80,000 for the victim orphans, 1956 01:24:50.916 --> 01:24:53.791 who were then only 13 years old. 1957 01:24:53.791 --> 01:24:56.041 - There was a cost to taking those kids on. 1958 01:24:56.041 --> 01:24:58.416 - [Reporter] The affidavit reports how the informant 1959 01:24:58.416 --> 01:25:01.125 who we understand to be the victims grandmother, 1960 01:25:01.125 --> 01:25:04.083 overheard the Pompa's discussing bankruptcy. 1961 01:25:04.083 --> 01:25:08.583 And that was the event that set the investigation in motion. 1962 01:25:09.458 --> 01:25:12.916 - All types of things were brought against us 1963 01:25:12.916 --> 01:25:14.583 battles in the courts. 1964 01:25:14.583 --> 01:25:15.916 - [Reporter] Pompa's did follow through 1965 01:25:15.916 --> 01:25:17.416 with their planed bankruptcy. 1966 01:25:17.416 --> 01:25:18.583 - We lost everything. 1967 01:25:18.583 --> 01:25:20.416 - [Reporter] Pled guilty to the charges, 1968 01:25:20.416 --> 01:25:22.583 got a 16 year probation sentence, 1969 01:25:22.583 --> 01:25:24.625 but the papers report they only had 1970 01:25:24.625 --> 01:25:27.625 to pay back $1.4 million. 1971 01:25:27.625 --> 01:25:30.625 If you were the Pompa's, where do you suddenly 1972 01:25:30.625 --> 01:25:32.875 make $1.4 million? 1973 01:25:32.875 --> 01:25:34.958 To put it back in the trust? 1974 01:25:34.958 --> 01:25:38.208 - Dr. Pompa's got another guest that he's going to introduce 1975 01:25:38.208 --> 01:25:40.250 and he's gonna bring on stage. 1976 01:25:40.250 --> 01:25:41.958 Brent Detelich. 1977 01:25:41.958 --> 01:25:45.250 He's gonna talk about the next big thing in stem cells. 1978 01:25:45.250 --> 01:25:46.750 I can't do it justice, so Dr. Pompa, 1979 01:25:46.750 --> 01:25:48.000 you wanna come on up, 1980 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.041 everybody stand up, 1981 01:25:49.041 --> 01:25:51.708 give Dr. Pompa and Brent a round of applause. 1982 01:25:51.708 --> 01:25:55.333 (congregants applauding) 1983 01:25:55.333 --> 01:25:56.875 - All right, y'all love it. 1984 01:25:56.875 --> 01:25:58.666 Yeah, you're gonna want to stand for this. 1985 01:25:58.666 --> 01:26:02.250 This next speaker is a good friend of mine, 1986 01:26:02.250 --> 01:26:05.375 who is bringing is stem cells to all of our 1987 01:26:05.375 --> 01:26:07.833 offices and we just had to do it. 1988 01:26:07.833 --> 01:26:12.833 We have the best product of exosomes on the market 1989 01:26:12.958 --> 01:26:15.125 that our doctors are going to be implementing. 1990 01:26:15.125 --> 01:26:17.250 And you're welcome to as well. 1991 01:26:17.250 --> 01:26:19.333 - But you will see so many people out there 1992 01:26:19.333 --> 01:26:21.541 who are unfortunately promoting products 1993 01:26:21.541 --> 01:26:23.666 and not disclosing that fact. 1994 01:26:23.666 --> 01:26:27.083 And they may even have a summit a docu series, 1995 01:26:27.083 --> 01:26:30.291 a podcast where you think it's news. 1996 01:26:30.291 --> 01:26:33.375 - Very, very, very important lecture right here. 1997 01:26:33.375 --> 01:26:35.750 So Brent, thank you for being here and your team, 1998 01:26:35.750 --> 01:26:36.583 appreciate it. - [Reporter] Yep, 1999 01:26:36.583 --> 01:26:41.208 that's the ex con and former chiropractor Brent Detelich. 2000 01:26:41.208 --> 01:26:45.291 Brent already spoke to the existing platinums. 2001 01:26:45.291 --> 01:26:47.833 - I got to spend time with the platnum already this morning. 2002 01:26:47.833 --> 01:26:50.833 - [Reporter] This Platinum membership and dance group costs 2003 01:26:50.833 --> 01:26:54.291 about $76,000 every couple years. 2004 01:26:54.291 --> 01:26:56.750 That's a lot of money considering how both of 2005 01:26:56.750 --> 01:26:59.916 these ex cons failed to mention to the audience 2006 01:26:59.916 --> 01:27:02.000 how the FDA says it's illegal 2007 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:05.875 to treat your patients with exosomes in America. 2008 01:27:05.875 --> 01:27:08.375 But anyone in the audience could have just googled 2009 01:27:08.375 --> 01:27:10.375 the speaker's name Brent Detelich 2010 01:27:10.375 --> 01:27:12.750 and saw healthcare fraud conviction 2011 01:27:12.750 --> 01:27:14.333 in the top three hits. 2012 01:27:14.333 --> 01:27:17.583 What more could you expect when going to a conference 2013 01:27:17.583 --> 01:27:19.750 where both host and speaker 2014 01:27:19.750 --> 01:27:21.750 are ex cons for stealing? 2015 01:27:24.916 --> 01:27:27.708 - That's a great example of how crazy things 2016 01:27:27.708 --> 01:27:29.041 are out there. 2017 01:27:30.083 --> 01:27:31.375 So we first have this video. 2018 01:27:31.375 --> 01:27:32.916 This is Ben Greenfield. 2019 01:27:32.916 --> 01:27:35.250 Now this rocket scientist allowed somebody 2020 01:27:35.250 --> 01:27:38.625 to inject stem cells into his penis a while back, 2021 01:27:38.625 --> 01:27:43.250 which I blogged on which is insane. 2022 01:27:43.250 --> 01:27:45.083 Because we have not a clue what that would do. 2023 01:27:45.083 --> 01:27:47.625 He claimed that it made him physically bigger, 2024 01:27:47.625 --> 01:27:49.750 which doesn't even make common sense. 2025 01:27:49.750 --> 01:27:51.750 He's been treated with getting 2026 01:27:51.750 --> 01:27:55.583 a full body stem cell makeover with exosomes. 2027 01:27:55.583 --> 01:27:58.208 It is absolutely positively an illegal drug product. 2028 01:27:58.208 --> 01:28:00.625 It's made by culturing stem cells. 2029 01:28:00.625 --> 01:28:02.625 Obviously, we figured out a decade ago 2030 01:28:02.625 --> 01:28:04.875 that culturing stem cells was not legal, 2031 01:28:04.875 --> 01:28:07.583 but this company is floating the risk. 2032 01:28:07.583 --> 01:28:10.041 Now we have this doctor who's doing this 2033 01:28:10.041 --> 01:28:11.791 is Harry Adelson. 2034 01:28:11.791 --> 01:28:15.375 And Harry Adelson's actually a naturopath, 2035 01:28:15.375 --> 01:28:19.083 he's actually was trained by real spine interventionalist. 2036 01:28:19.083 --> 01:28:20.250 But as a naturopath, 2037 01:28:20.250 --> 01:28:22.833 he's not allowed to do any of these procedures 2038 01:28:22.833 --> 01:28:23.958 that you're seeing here, 2039 01:28:23.958 --> 01:28:26.666 he's not even allowed to operate the X ray machine. 2040 01:28:26.666 --> 01:28:28.791 These are the facet joints into the neck. 2041 01:28:28.791 --> 01:28:30.708 So to get into any one of these facet joints, 2042 01:28:30.708 --> 01:28:34.583 you'd have to come in at oblique angle like this, 2043 01:28:34.583 --> 01:28:36.291 actually enter the joint, 2044 01:28:36.291 --> 01:28:39.000 inject a small amount of contrast in each joint 2045 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:40.500 to make sure you're in the joint, 2046 01:28:40.500 --> 01:28:41.916 and then follow that 2047 01:28:41.916 --> 01:28:44.208 with the bone marrow stem cells. 2048 01:28:44.208 --> 01:28:45.583 And that's not what's happening here. 2049 01:28:45.583 --> 01:28:47.250 What Harry Adelson is doing 2050 01:28:47.250 --> 01:28:49.000 is just placing the needle somewhere 2051 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:52.333 in the vicinity of the joint on the X ray 2052 01:28:52.333 --> 01:28:54.541 and then the likelihood that he's in all 2053 01:28:54.541 --> 01:28:56.750 of those joints is slim to none and Slim's 2054 01:28:56.750 --> 01:28:58.166 on vacation in Texas. 2055 01:28:58.166 --> 01:28:59.250 So then you see, 2056 01:29:00.166 --> 01:29:03.166 Harry place all these needles on the right side, 2057 01:29:03.166 --> 01:29:05.416 and then he just takes the needles and moves them 2058 01:29:05.416 --> 01:29:07.083 to the left, same needles, 2059 01:29:07.083 --> 01:29:08.708 which is completely inappropriate 2060 01:29:08.708 --> 01:29:11.125 from a sterile technique standpoint, 2061 01:29:11.125 --> 01:29:12.791 because you're injecting a deep structure 2062 01:29:12.791 --> 01:29:14.791 so he would have to replace all of these needles. 2063 01:29:14.791 --> 01:29:17.083 But he just uses videos from the right on 2064 01:29:17.083 --> 01:29:20.916 on to the left, again, inappropriate, sterile technique. 2065 01:29:20.916 --> 01:29:22.125 But this is a naturopath. 2066 01:29:22.125 --> 01:29:25.250 What does he really know about all of this stuff? 2067 01:29:25.250 --> 01:29:27.083 The answer is he doesn't know much. 2068 01:29:27.083 --> 01:29:29.666 - [Erin] Some of the big names in our industry 2069 01:29:29.666 --> 01:29:31.166 promoted Harry Adelson. 2070 01:29:31.166 --> 01:29:34.375 And in fact, I got emails on the same day 2071 01:29:34.375 --> 01:29:37.291 from two different guys that are doctors 2072 01:29:37.291 --> 01:29:38.625 or calling themselves doctors 2073 01:29:38.625 --> 01:29:40.583 on the exact same day, 2074 01:29:40.583 --> 01:29:44.250 promoting Harry Adelson right before he had a huge webinar. 2075 01:29:44.250 --> 01:29:46.000 The lab that we use is they take 2076 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:47.291 placental stem cells, 2077 01:29:47.291 --> 01:29:49.833 which are these very young robust stem cells. 2078 01:29:49.833 --> 01:29:53.083 They forced them to manufacture and excrete 2079 01:29:53.083 --> 01:29:55.125 these vesicles filled with growth factors that 2080 01:29:55.125 --> 01:29:56.291 are called exosomes. 2081 01:29:56.291 --> 01:29:57.750 - And today, we have a very interesting conversation 2082 01:29:57.750 --> 01:30:00.041 about a topic many people are interested in, 2083 01:30:00.041 --> 01:30:01.708 which is stem cells 2084 01:30:01.708 --> 01:30:03.416 and something you may never heard about, 2085 01:30:03.416 --> 01:30:04.916 which is exosomes. 2086 01:30:04.916 --> 01:30:07.916 - I use PRP cells from fat and exosomes. 2087 01:30:07.916 --> 01:30:10.208 - Excited to try thank you for offering this to me. 2088 01:30:10.208 --> 01:30:12.000 This is really the future of healthcare 2089 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:13.416 is regenerative medicine. 2090 01:30:13.416 --> 01:30:14.500 It's what functional medicine is all about. 2091 01:30:14.500 --> 01:30:18.583 - I don't know what their business relationship is with him, 2092 01:30:18.583 --> 01:30:20.958 but it sure is at least suspic'. 2093 01:30:20.958 --> 01:30:22.875 - [Reporter] On Dr. Mark Hyman's promotion 2094 01:30:22.875 --> 01:30:25.583 of Dr. Harry Adelson and Dr. Killin 2095 01:30:25.583 --> 01:30:27.750 and their use of exosomes, 2096 01:30:27.750 --> 01:30:31.458 he makes sure you understand he's the director 2097 01:30:31.458 --> 01:30:35.208 of the Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine. 2098 01:30:35.208 --> 01:30:37.250 Is he implying that the Cleveland Clinic 2099 01:30:37.250 --> 01:30:39.625 endorses Harry Adelson breaking the law 2100 01:30:39.625 --> 01:30:42.875 injecting exosomes into Mark Hyman? 2101 01:30:42.875 --> 01:30:46.000 Dr. Hyman also promoted Brent Detelich, 2102 01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:48.083 and Jeff Hayes's infomercial, 2103 01:30:48.083 --> 01:30:49.583 The Healing Miracle. 2104 01:30:49.583 --> 01:30:52.083 - Mark pharmaceuticals is not really well loved 2105 01:30:52.083 --> 01:30:53.583 by our industry. 2106 01:30:53.583 --> 01:30:55.250 But if Mark tomorrow came out 2107 01:30:55.250 --> 01:30:58.708 with an FDA approved amniotic fluid, 2108 01:30:58.708 --> 01:31:01.416 or exosome product, 2109 01:31:01.416 --> 01:31:04.750 you know that these folks would not be promoting it, 2110 01:31:04.750 --> 01:31:06.375 because they wouldn't get paid. 2111 01:31:06.375 --> 01:31:07.916 So it's really not about them making 2112 01:31:07.916 --> 01:31:10.458 these stem cell movies which I refuse to promote. 2113 01:31:10.458 --> 01:31:12.250 It's about them making money. 2114 01:31:12.250 --> 01:31:14.208 - [Matt] I actually have a distributorship. 2115 01:31:14.208 --> 01:31:17.958 And so I actually represent full disclosure chimera 2116 01:31:19.250 --> 01:31:22.708 and they have the best exosome product 2117 01:31:22.708 --> 01:31:24.125 on the market by far. 2118 01:31:24.125 --> 01:31:26.541 - Dr. Mercola had wanted me to see Dr. Cook 2119 01:31:26.541 --> 01:31:29.291 he lined me up with his office seems like a nice guy 2120 01:31:29.291 --> 01:31:32.625 and I was going to do exosomes amongst a few other things. 2121 01:31:32.625 --> 01:31:34.333 And then I wanted 2122 01:31:34.333 --> 01:31:36.500 to see if the company they were getting the exosomes 2123 01:31:36.500 --> 01:31:37.833 from had their IND. 2124 01:31:37.833 --> 01:31:40.833 - we started asking questions about them. 2125 01:31:40.833 --> 01:31:44.000 - And they said yes, Direct Biologics has their IND. 2126 01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:46.791 - He provided answers that suggested that this 2127 01:31:46.791 --> 01:31:47.750 was an approved therapy. 2128 01:31:47.750 --> 01:31:49.666 - [Reporter] The FDA says patients 2129 01:31:49.666 --> 01:31:52.916 considering treatment with exosome products should 2130 01:31:52.916 --> 01:31:55.666 ask their clinician for the FDA issued 2131 01:31:55.666 --> 01:32:00.166 Investigational New Drug application number called the IND. 2132 01:32:00.166 --> 01:32:01.791 - I wanted to see a face sheet on it 2133 01:32:01.791 --> 01:32:03.750 with the FDA on it to show that. 2134 01:32:03.750 --> 01:32:06.666 - [Reporter] And the chance to review the FDA communication 2135 01:32:06.666 --> 01:32:08.416 acknowledging the IND. 2136 01:32:08.416 --> 01:32:10.958 - We were on the phone with Matt Cook, Dr. Cook, 2137 01:32:10.958 --> 01:32:13.291 and he explained that look, 2138 01:32:13.291 --> 01:32:14.500 they don't have an IND. 2139 01:32:14.500 --> 01:32:16.291 This is Just a little bit of a gray area. 2140 01:32:16.291 --> 01:32:19.291 - [Reporter] An IND is required because the FDA 2141 01:32:19.291 --> 01:32:23.500 says exosomes are drugs regulated under Section 351. 2142 01:32:23.500 --> 01:32:25.875 - So it began in this natural health industry 2143 01:32:25.875 --> 01:32:28.375 where people would promote healthy products, 2144 01:32:28.375 --> 01:32:31.416 diet lifestyle, healthy safe supplements 2145 01:32:31.416 --> 01:32:32.958 that weren't killing anyone. 2146 01:32:32.958 --> 01:32:35.958 But now they have started promoting drugs 2147 01:32:35.958 --> 01:32:38.750 and making entire documentaries or infomercials 2148 01:32:38.750 --> 01:32:40.041 about these drugs. 2149 01:32:40.041 --> 01:32:42.458 Then they're not safe, and they're not effective. 2150 01:32:43.708 --> 01:32:45.291 But what we really need to ask ourselves 2151 01:32:45.291 --> 01:32:46.791 is how this happened. 2152 01:32:46.791 --> 01:32:49.875 And to understand that we need to know how documentary 2153 01:32:49.875 --> 01:32:53.000 or documentary series and summits work. 2154 01:32:54.375 --> 01:32:57.250 So how it started is with the summit's 2155 01:32:57.250 --> 01:33:00.541 and they would bring in bloggers, influencers, 2156 01:33:00.541 --> 01:33:03.250 top public figures, authors, 2157 01:33:03.250 --> 01:33:04.250 best selling authors, 2158 01:33:04.250 --> 01:33:06.750 and bring them in and interview them 2159 01:33:06.750 --> 01:33:08.875 and then have them promote it to their audience 2160 01:33:08.875 --> 01:33:10.250 or their lists, so to speak, 2161 01:33:10.250 --> 01:33:12.083 or their social media platforms. 2162 01:33:13.041 --> 01:33:14.125 People can watch it for free. 2163 01:33:14.125 --> 01:33:17.166 If its a nine day docu series or summit, 2164 01:33:17.166 --> 01:33:18.750 they can watch all nine days for free, 2165 01:33:18.750 --> 01:33:20.916 and then afterward it's available for purchase. 2166 01:33:20.916 --> 01:33:21.916 And in most cases, 2167 01:33:21.916 --> 01:33:23.625 they will give all the influencers, 2168 01:33:23.625 --> 01:33:26.416 about 50% of the money of the people 2169 01:33:26.416 --> 01:33:27.583 who signed up under them 2170 01:33:27.583 --> 01:33:28.583 who may purchase it. 2171 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:34.166 I shared my reports, and on a lot of the reports, 2172 01:33:34.166 --> 01:33:36.541 they would show the people who were in the 2173 01:33:36.541 --> 01:33:37.583 top 10 or top 20. 2174 01:33:37.583 --> 01:33:39.583 And there may be 400 to 1,000, 2175 01:33:39.583 --> 01:33:41.166 or something that we're promoting 2176 01:33:41.166 --> 01:33:43.083 these particular docu series. 2177 01:33:43.083 --> 01:33:44.333 And they would show the people 2178 01:33:44.333 --> 01:33:46.791 that were getting the most signups is usually 2179 01:33:46.791 --> 01:33:48.500 how it started out because 2180 01:33:48.500 --> 01:33:50.625 only later would people buy it after it ended, 2181 01:33:50.625 --> 01:33:52.041 they would wanna watch it for free. 2182 01:33:52.041 --> 01:33:54.583 And there would be one through 10 they usually show 2183 01:33:54.583 --> 01:33:57.541 the top 10 or 20 and have little contests 2184 01:33:57.541 --> 01:33:58.375 trying to get people 2185 01:33:58.375 --> 01:34:00.333 to do better of these influencers. 2186 01:34:00.333 --> 01:34:02.166 And they would send those to us like 2187 01:34:02.166 --> 01:34:04.625 on a daily basis during the time 2188 01:34:04.625 --> 01:34:06.708 that we were supposed to be promoting it. 2189 01:34:08.500 --> 01:34:09.750 They send out emails 2190 01:34:09.750 --> 01:34:11.750 and they even would tell us what to say. 2191 01:34:14.750 --> 01:34:16.916 - [Reporter] In January 2020, 2192 01:34:16.916 --> 01:34:20.916 Revealed Films revealed to Aaron Elizabeth 2193 01:34:20.916 --> 01:34:23.458 that it paid out nearly $1 million 2194 01:34:23.458 --> 01:34:27.625 in affiliate commissions in 2019 alone. 2195 01:34:28.458 --> 01:34:32.416 At no point are the violators disclosing to the viewer 2196 01:34:32.416 --> 01:34:34.833 that they are getting a sales pitch. 2197 01:34:34.833 --> 01:34:39.375 The audience believes it is getting unbiased health news. 2198 01:34:39.375 --> 01:34:42.583 - But unfortunately now some are just pure infomercials 2199 01:34:42.583 --> 01:34:45.333 promoting things where money is being given under the table 2200 01:34:45.333 --> 01:34:47.791 - Doctors Centeno feels responsible for the mess 2201 01:34:47.791 --> 01:34:49.958 that the stem cell industry has become. 2202 01:34:49.958 --> 01:34:52.750 And we feel a sense of responsibility for the mess 2203 01:34:52.750 --> 01:34:54.333 in the docu series industry. 2204 01:34:54.333 --> 01:34:57.583 We are the pioneers of the online health docu series, 2205 01:34:57.583 --> 01:35:01.083 and we actually had the term trademarks for a few years. 2206 01:35:01.083 --> 01:35:03.250 We started back in 2014 2207 01:35:03.250 --> 01:35:04.375 with a Quest for the Cures, 2208 01:35:04.375 --> 01:35:07.083 and then we followed that up with a Truth About Cancer, 2209 01:35:07.083 --> 01:35:08.000 a Global Quest. 2210 01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:10.083 - In the beginning that were great docu series 2211 01:35:10.083 --> 01:35:11.000 documentary series, 2212 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:12.083 some of my friends made them. 2213 01:35:12.083 --> 01:35:13.416 - Our films aren't infomercials 2214 01:35:13.416 --> 01:35:15.375 like many groups are pushing today. 2215 01:35:15.375 --> 01:35:17.125 We've always provided free access 2216 01:35:17.125 --> 01:35:19.916 and never gave long product pitches. 2217 01:35:19.916 --> 01:35:21.625 Our films are just truthful information 2218 01:35:21.625 --> 01:35:23.500 based on decades of research, 2219 01:35:23.500 --> 01:35:27.291 which began after we lost seven close family members due 2220 01:35:27.291 --> 01:35:28.708 to a lack of knowledge. 2221 01:35:28.708 --> 01:35:31.541 It's our mission to simply save lives now. 2222 01:35:31.541 --> 01:35:35.708 - They spent hours or weeks and months and years editing 2223 01:35:35.708 --> 01:35:36.875 these to perfect them. 2224 01:35:36.875 --> 01:35:38.541 - It was legitimate. 2225 01:35:38.541 --> 01:35:39.500 - But then unfortunately, 2226 01:35:39.500 --> 01:35:42.125 people took that idea that they coined and started... 2227 01:35:42.125 --> 01:35:43.416 - Then the bad apples 2228 01:35:43.416 --> 01:35:45.583 and the snake oil salespeople arrived 2229 01:35:45.583 --> 01:35:49.000 and they've really adulterated the docu series platform 2230 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:52.416 that have given our industry a bad names sadly. 2231 01:35:52.416 --> 01:35:55.375 Most of them have no scruples and no integrity. 2232 01:35:55.375 --> 01:35:58.083 - And there is a problem in our industry 2233 01:35:58.083 --> 01:36:02.083 that are promoting these summits or docu series 2234 01:36:02.083 --> 01:36:02.958 on like stem cells 2235 01:36:02.958 --> 01:36:05.833 that I refuse to ever promote because of ethics. 2236 01:36:05.833 --> 01:36:07.250 - [Reporter] Horrified researchers 2237 01:36:07.250 --> 01:36:10.166 wanted out of Sara Sheehan's docu series 2238 01:36:10.166 --> 01:36:11.125 when it came out 2239 01:36:11.125 --> 01:36:13.833 that Mark Berman partially funded it. 2240 01:36:13.833 --> 01:36:17.583 Both Mark Barman and Kristin Comella got screen time. 2241 01:36:17.583 --> 01:36:20.625 Both are labeled as bad actors by the FDA. 2242 01:36:20.625 --> 01:36:24.000 Both networks have caused blindness yet look at the focus 2243 01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:25.416 of the trailer. 2244 01:36:25.416 --> 01:36:28.583 - You know we're over 9,000 patients now the risks 2245 01:36:28.583 --> 01:36:30.291 that we have are virtually nil. 2246 01:36:30.291 --> 01:36:32.250 - To get the stem cells. 2247 01:36:32.250 --> 01:36:34.125 What is the worst that could happen? 2248 01:36:34.125 --> 01:36:36.958 - The body serves them away and ignores it. 2249 01:36:37.791 --> 01:36:38.750 - So no harm. 2250 01:36:38.750 --> 01:36:40.625 - After your stem cell treatment. 2251 01:36:40.625 --> 01:36:41.916 Were there any side effects? 2252 01:36:41.916 --> 01:36:43.416 - There were no negative side effects. 2253 01:36:43.416 --> 01:36:46.416 - [Reporter] It included Mark Hyman and Harry Adelson. 2254 01:36:46.416 --> 01:36:49.083 - And what's shocking is there are films then promoting 2255 01:36:49.083 --> 01:36:50.458 these exosome procedures. 2256 01:36:50.458 --> 01:36:53.250 - So this is a Pure Revealed films interview 2257 01:36:53.250 --> 01:36:55.416 with myself and Jeff Hayes. 2258 01:36:55.416 --> 01:36:57.750 - [Reporter] In the summer of 2019. 2259 01:36:57.750 --> 01:37:01.583 We saw another stem cell docu series that went out 2260 01:37:01.583 --> 01:37:04.208 of its way to promote exosomes 2261 01:37:04.208 --> 01:37:07.666 called Pain Revealed by Patrick Gentempo 2262 01:37:07.666 --> 01:37:09.875 and the ex con Jeff Hayes, 2263 01:37:09.875 --> 01:37:12.875 it profiled the Chief Science Officer 2264 01:37:12.875 --> 01:37:14.625 of Direct Biologics 2265 01:37:14.625 --> 01:37:17.333 that Manufactures exosomes. 2266 01:37:17.333 --> 01:37:20.791 - But even the Chief Science Officer of the company 2267 01:37:20.791 --> 01:37:22.916 in the movie where they're promoting, it says, 2268 01:37:22.916 --> 01:37:24.625 we haven't done any studies. 2269 01:37:24.625 --> 01:37:26.416 We have done no studies on this, 2270 01:37:26.416 --> 01:37:29.875 we feel that we are this 361 HTTP. 2271 01:37:29.875 --> 01:37:32.083 But the FDA could come in and say, no, 2272 01:37:32.083 --> 01:37:33.375 I think you guys are 351. 2273 01:37:33.375 --> 01:37:36.291 And you need to do these IND studies. 2274 01:37:36.291 --> 01:37:39.166 And so we are actually ahead of the game. 2275 01:37:41.708 --> 01:37:44.416 We have the studies all geared up to go. 2276 01:37:47.333 --> 01:37:49.916 - If you're a manufacturer out there breaking the law, 2277 01:37:49.916 --> 01:37:53.208 as evidenced in these stem cell documentaries. 2278 01:37:53.208 --> 01:37:55.541 - Now, I mean, I always say that, look, 2279 01:37:55.541 --> 01:37:58.375 my authority doesn't lie in my education. 2280 01:37:58.375 --> 01:38:00.708 My authority actually lies in my story. 2281 01:38:00.708 --> 01:38:03.000 - But how do we know these guys aren't gonna be cutting 2282 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.958 other corners as well and putting people in jeopardy? 2283 01:38:05.958 --> 01:38:08.708 - [Reporters] After people required hospitalization, 2284 01:38:08.708 --> 01:38:11.583 the FDA made this public service announcement 2285 01:38:11.583 --> 01:38:13.291 that it received multiple reports 2286 01:38:13.291 --> 01:38:16.666 of patients having serious adverse events 2287 01:38:16.666 --> 01:38:18.833 from unapproved products marketed 2288 01:38:18.833 --> 01:38:22.000 as containing exosomes and warned 2289 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:27.000 that currently there are no FDA approved exosome products. 2290 01:38:27.166 --> 01:38:28.625 - We just don't wanna claim ourselves 2291 01:38:28.625 --> 01:38:30.916 as a drug before the FDA comes in 2292 01:38:30.916 --> 01:38:32.708 and says it so, we're keeping it 2293 01:38:32.708 --> 01:38:35.833 as a minimally manipulated sell factor. 2294 01:38:35.833 --> 01:38:37.541 - It is not legal and some doctors 2295 01:38:37.541 --> 01:38:38.916 will deceive their patients. 2296 01:38:38.916 --> 01:38:41.458 - [Reporter] Clinics and manufacturers may claim 2297 01:38:41.458 --> 01:38:43.083 these products do not fall 2298 01:38:43.083 --> 01:38:45.916 under the regulatory provisions for drugs. 2299 01:38:45.916 --> 01:38:47.875 That is simply untrue. 2300 01:38:47.875 --> 01:38:51.500 - These exosomes are derived from cells and culture. 2301 01:38:51.500 --> 01:38:54.416 Culturing cells is a problem we found out about 2302 01:38:54.416 --> 01:38:56.250 that the hard way, 2303 01:38:56.250 --> 01:38:58.291 way back when it was decided 2304 01:38:58.291 --> 01:39:00.250 that we couldn't culture cells. 2305 01:39:00.250 --> 01:39:03.041 So now we've got companies who are actually culturing cells, 2306 01:39:03.041 --> 01:39:05.375 which is illegal to get exosomes 2307 01:39:05.375 --> 01:39:07.208 and selling those exosomes. 2308 01:39:07.208 --> 01:39:08.666 So again, that's not going to fly 2309 01:39:08.666 --> 01:39:10.500 from a regulatory standpoint. 2310 01:39:10.500 --> 01:39:13.916 - What we're doing is we're growing the cells up 2311 01:39:13.916 --> 01:39:16.916 and we're collecting the growth factors 2312 01:39:16.916 --> 01:39:21.083 and the exosomes from those cells and isolating those 2313 01:39:21.083 --> 01:39:22.583 without the cells, 2314 01:39:22.583 --> 01:39:25.000 then that's a different, right? 2315 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.708 We're providing therapy that's derived 2316 01:39:27.708 --> 01:39:29.916 from stem cells, and so there's a difference, 2317 01:39:29.916 --> 01:39:31.416 I guess there's a stem cell therapy 2318 01:39:31.416 --> 01:39:33.416 and stem cell derived therapy. 2319 01:39:33.416 --> 01:39:36.500 And I think that's the correct term would be 2320 01:39:36.500 --> 01:39:39.458 we're doing a stem cell derived therapy. 2321 01:39:39.458 --> 01:39:42.166 - [Reporter] How many of these patients got sick because 2322 01:39:42.166 --> 01:39:44.916 of the fake news spread in these infomercials 2323 01:39:44.916 --> 01:39:46.583 and by the influencers? 2324 01:39:46.583 --> 01:39:49.583 - How many of you did see The Healing Miracle, the truth 2325 01:39:49.583 --> 01:39:50.416 about stem cells? 2326 01:39:50.416 --> 01:39:51.708 Raise your hand. 2327 01:39:51.708 --> 01:39:53.416 Okay, so that's something that myself 2328 01:39:53.416 --> 01:39:56.041 and my partner, Dr. Steve funded, and when we did that 2329 01:39:56.041 --> 01:39:57.125 with Jeff Hayes, 2330 01:39:57.125 --> 01:40:00.125 and I put together all the people that you saw on there, 2331 01:40:00.125 --> 01:40:01.541 and we interviewed him and that took us 2332 01:40:01.541 --> 01:40:03.416 about three months full time. 2333 01:40:03.416 --> 01:40:05.000 And we're now working on a new one with 2334 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:08.083 Dr. Patrick Gentempo, how many of who that is? 2335 01:40:08.083 --> 01:40:11.500 And Yep, and what to expect 10 times the viewership. 2336 01:40:13.083 --> 01:40:16.750 - My partner and Revealed Films co founder, 2337 01:40:16.750 --> 01:40:19.125 Jeff Hayes and I were in Florida 2338 01:40:19.125 --> 01:40:22.375 and we actually had procedures done on ourselves, 2339 01:40:22.375 --> 01:40:23.541 while we were there. 2340 01:40:23.541 --> 01:40:25.958 We interviewed a lot of the developers 2341 01:40:25.958 --> 01:40:27.250 and experts on exosomes, 2342 01:40:27.250 --> 01:40:30.541 and it was the first time I saw you light up and go, okay. 2343 01:40:30.541 --> 01:40:31.375 I'll get those. 2344 01:40:32.291 --> 01:40:33.500 - Here's the deal. 2345 01:40:33.500 --> 01:40:36.541 The bad ones especially won't promote anything in this 2346 01:40:36.541 --> 01:40:39.541 industry unless they make money. 2347 01:40:39.541 --> 01:40:41.750 - So this company that we're gonna talk about 2348 01:40:41.750 --> 01:40:43.416 .is called Direct Biologics 2349 01:40:43.416 --> 01:40:45.625 - So direct biologics is where you're working now. 2350 01:40:45.625 --> 01:40:46.458 - Yes. 2351 01:40:46.458 --> 01:40:47.416 - And your role there? 2352 01:40:47.416 --> 01:40:49.166 - So I'm the Chief Scientific Officer, 2353 01:40:49.166 --> 01:40:52.916 and I'm involved with scaling up the production 2354 01:40:52.916 --> 01:40:55.791 of the exosomes and the growth factors. 2355 01:40:55.791 --> 01:40:57.333 - So that's what we do on our clinics, 2356 01:40:57.333 --> 01:41:00.083 and we do that nationwide 600 clinics or more, 2357 01:41:00.083 --> 01:41:01.958 and we get phenomenal results. 2358 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:06.333 We have not done exosomes in our company yet. 2359 01:41:06.333 --> 01:41:07.750 We released it last week. 2360 01:41:10.916 --> 01:41:12.375 - In many of my conversations, 2361 01:41:12.375 --> 01:41:15.583 exosomes seem to be the most exciting topic 2362 01:41:15.583 --> 01:41:18.333 that most people who are experts like yourself seem 2363 01:41:18.333 --> 01:41:20.041 to be interested in, why is that? 2364 01:41:20.041 --> 01:41:21.416 - And so all those patients come 2365 01:41:21.416 --> 01:41:24.791 to our call center we get last month 1,000 patients 2366 01:41:24.791 --> 01:41:26.916 that wanted to get treatment. 2367 01:41:26.916 --> 01:41:28.208 So that's what we do. 2368 01:41:28.208 --> 01:41:29.916 - [Reporter] And here's how they did it. 2369 01:41:29.916 --> 01:41:31.791 This email was sent to promote 2370 01:41:31.791 --> 01:41:33.916 The Healing Miracle infomercial 2371 01:41:33.916 --> 01:41:36.750 that they called a docu series to social media 2372 01:41:36.750 --> 01:41:39.416 influencers by Manny Goldman. 2373 01:41:39.416 --> 01:41:41.750 Manny was a co producer for one of the 2374 01:41:41.750 --> 01:41:43.958 industry's first docu series, 2375 01:41:43.958 --> 01:41:46.583 and Jeff Hayes and Brent Detelich got him 2376 01:41:46.583 --> 01:41:48.625 to promote their infomercial using 2377 01:41:48.625 --> 01:41:50.375 this established network. 2378 01:41:50.375 --> 01:41:52.791 They also created this Facebook group, 2379 01:41:52.791 --> 01:41:54.791 and made it look like it was generic, 2380 01:41:54.791 --> 01:41:58.583 objective information about stem cells with a number 2381 01:41:58.583 --> 01:42:01.333 of administrators like Theresa and Brent. 2382 01:42:01.333 --> 01:42:05.583 But it turns out, it was just fake news. 2383 01:42:05.583 --> 01:42:07.500 When someone posted for help, 2384 01:42:07.500 --> 01:42:10.041 Theresa would reply with this referral link 2385 01:42:10.041 --> 01:42:12.750 to find a provider which if you click through, 2386 01:42:12.750 --> 01:42:15.583 it takes you here, a different website 2387 01:42:15.583 --> 01:42:18.583 for the Healing Miracle and Dr. Centeno 2388 01:42:18.583 --> 01:42:21.541 completed it like he was a patient and received 2389 01:42:21.541 --> 01:42:23.666 this email from Theresa. 2390 01:42:23.666 --> 01:42:27.041 Yep, the same who is one of the administrators 2391 01:42:27.041 --> 01:42:29.750 for the supposedly generic Facebook page. 2392 01:42:30.875 --> 01:42:34.000 If you look up another administrator Brent, 2393 01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:38.250 he lists that he's a co owner of the Healing Miracle. 2394 01:42:38.250 --> 01:42:41.000 When Dr. Centeno thought this lack of disclosure 2395 01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:42.333 was a problem. 2396 01:42:42.333 --> 01:42:44.166 Theresa said she would have the owner 2397 01:42:44.166 --> 01:42:47.583 of the page call him and the person who called 2398 01:42:47.583 --> 01:42:49.416 was Manny Goldman, 2399 01:42:49.416 --> 01:42:51.875 the same who sent out the original promotion 2400 01:42:51.875 --> 01:42:55.583 of the Healing Miracle to the social media influencers. 2401 01:42:55.583 --> 01:42:57.125 - So that's what we do. 2402 01:42:57.125 --> 01:42:58.750 - So here we are. 2403 01:42:58.750 --> 01:43:01.791 Dr. Centeno is trying to clean up his industry and we 2404 01:43:01.791 --> 01:43:03.916 are trying to clean up ours. 2405 01:43:03.916 --> 01:43:05.583 - We wanna be very transparent. 2406 01:43:05.583 --> 01:43:09.083 We have nothing to do with any of these men 2407 01:43:09.083 --> 01:43:11.125 - In their latest money making endeavor, 2408 01:43:11.125 --> 01:43:13.625 Hayes, Gentempo and Goldman have teamed up 2409 01:43:13.625 --> 01:43:16.208 and formed a company named TATC, 2410 01:43:16.208 --> 01:43:19.833 in an apparent attempt to fool people into thinking that we, 2411 01:43:19.833 --> 01:43:23.416 TTAC are somehow involved because people actually trust us. 2412 01:43:23.416 --> 01:43:27.416 Their logo actually looks very similar to our TTC logo 2413 01:43:27.416 --> 01:43:29.250 with similar font and they even mimicked 2414 01:43:29.250 --> 01:43:32.083 the three bullet points at the bottom of the logo. 2415 01:43:32.083 --> 01:43:34.208 - We're getting to a point where we just don't know 2416 01:43:34.208 --> 01:43:35.083 who we could trust. 2417 01:43:35.083 --> 01:43:37.041 - Well we wanna talk about today is exosomes 2418 01:43:37.041 --> 01:43:39.333 big buzzword in the industry, right? 2419 01:43:39.333 --> 01:43:42.166 Exosomes, this exosomes that. 2420 01:43:42.166 --> 01:43:45.000 But the concept is that you're putting something 2421 01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:47.375 into activate your own system 2422 01:43:47.375 --> 01:43:49.416 because that's what this stuff is spitting out. 2423 01:43:49.416 --> 01:43:52.958 Activate your own system to heal and to repair. 2424 01:43:52.958 --> 01:43:55.666 Whether it does that, it's still to be known, 2425 01:43:55.666 --> 01:43:57.083 we don't know. 2426 01:43:57.083 --> 01:43:59.666 - That's probably why you are working 2427 01:43:59.666 --> 01:44:01.250 on developing a product. 2428 01:44:01.250 --> 01:44:02.375 - Correct. - To see if we can 2429 01:44:02.375 --> 01:44:05.375 bring to line bring online at Liveyon. 2430 01:44:05.375 --> 01:44:09.541 - A stem cell barks orders out at other cells. 2431 01:44:09.541 --> 01:44:12.375 And those orders come in the form of these exosomes 2432 01:44:12.375 --> 01:44:15.708 these things that the stem cell throws off. 2433 01:44:15.708 --> 01:44:19.416 However, those orders are specific to the context. 2434 01:44:19.416 --> 01:44:22.583 Meaning that the stem cell might say, hey, 2435 01:44:22.583 --> 01:44:24.083 I need a macrophage, 2436 01:44:24.083 --> 01:44:26.416 which is a cleanup cell to come in here. 2437 01:44:26.416 --> 01:44:28.291 Well, that's a specific order only 2438 01:44:28.291 --> 01:44:30.416 to be given a specific time. 2439 01:44:30.416 --> 01:44:31.875 So if you throw those orders in 2440 01:44:31.875 --> 01:44:33.750 when the macrophages aren't needed, 2441 01:44:33.750 --> 01:44:34.916 which is what they're doing with 2442 01:44:34.916 --> 01:44:37.208 these exosome type therapies, 2443 01:44:37.208 --> 01:44:38.875 that's not gonna work. 2444 01:44:38.875 --> 01:44:41.416 - If a company takes them into a lab 2445 01:44:41.416 --> 01:44:44.875 and produces exosomes from donors, 2446 01:44:44.875 --> 01:44:46.916 then that is, in fact, 2447 01:44:46.916 --> 01:44:49.458 considered by the FDA to be a drug. 2448 01:44:49.458 --> 01:44:52.833 And therefore it should go through a pre market application. 2449 01:44:52.833 --> 01:44:56.250 And you shouldn't be able to see those for seven 2450 01:44:56.250 --> 01:45:00.250 or eight years if they're following the rules for drugs. 2451 01:45:03.916 --> 01:45:06.500 - When he told me that I did not get live stem cells 2452 01:45:06.500 --> 01:45:09.875 and he wanted to do a reinjection 2453 01:45:09.875 --> 01:45:13.541 of the Utah cord blood product. 2454 01:45:13.541 --> 01:45:16.916 - [Reporter] Dr. Centeno blogged In April 2019, 2455 01:45:16.916 --> 01:45:18.958 about testing you Utah Cord Bank's 2456 01:45:18.958 --> 01:45:22.583 umbilical cord stem cell product called Stem Vive, 2457 01:45:22.583 --> 01:45:25.916 and says they found no living stem cells. 2458 01:45:25.916 --> 01:45:29.458 Earlier, Utah Cord Bank along with so many other 2459 01:45:29.458 --> 01:45:33.500 amniotic manufacturers, boasted how their product was 2460 01:45:33.500 --> 01:45:37.625 independently lab tested by DaVinci Biosciences 2461 01:45:37.625 --> 01:45:40.458 that showed it had stem cells. 2462 01:45:40.458 --> 01:45:42.750 But who is DaVinci? 2463 01:45:42.750 --> 01:45:45.541 This week a group of abortion rights opponents 2464 01:45:45.541 --> 01:45:47.541 released a hidden camera video. 2465 01:45:47.541 --> 01:45:49.291 - So the video was secretly recorded 2466 01:45:49.291 --> 01:45:52.208 by the anti abortion group as part of a two and a half year 2467 01:45:52.208 --> 01:45:53.208 sting operation. 2468 01:45:53.208 --> 01:45:54.583 - Showing Planned Parenthood 2469 01:45:54.583 --> 01:45:57.791 admitting even celebrating its practice 2470 01:45:57.791 --> 01:46:01.666 of harvesting the organs of aborted fetuses for money. 2471 01:46:01.666 --> 01:46:04.083 - They pretended to be a company 2472 01:46:04.083 --> 01:46:06.666 that procures fetal tissue from abortion clinics 2473 01:46:06.666 --> 01:46:08.291 and gets it to researchers. 2474 01:46:08.291 --> 01:46:09.250 - [Buyer] But so Deborah has said 2475 01:46:09.250 --> 01:46:11.583 that you guys are working with a private biotech company. 2476 01:46:11.583 --> 01:46:14.416 - [Seller] Yeah, its DaVinci. 2477 01:46:14.416 --> 01:46:17.083 - This law suit is the first to be filed. 2478 01:46:17.083 --> 01:46:19.291 With respect to this particular subject matter. 2479 01:46:19.291 --> 01:46:20.916 We're simply charging these defendants 2480 01:46:20.916 --> 01:46:23.500 with illegally selling hundreds 2481 01:46:23.500 --> 01:46:26.583 of fetal tissue products for profit. 2482 01:46:26.583 --> 01:46:29.875 It's against the law to intentionally sell human body parts 2483 01:46:29.875 --> 01:46:32.208 for profit, including fetal tissue donations 2484 01:46:32.208 --> 01:46:34.291 obtained from abortions. 2485 01:46:34.291 --> 01:46:35.875 - [Reporter] The complaint builds its case 2486 01:46:35.875 --> 01:46:39.125 around the actions of the VP of research. 2487 01:46:39.125 --> 01:46:43.125 A Rafael Gonzalez PhD, he received his PhD 2488 01:46:43.125 --> 01:46:45.708 from the University of California, Irvine. 2489 01:46:45.708 --> 01:46:48.166 - Fetal products were routinely sold at tenfold 2490 01:46:49.083 --> 01:46:51.375 or higher markup over their costs. 2491 01:46:51.375 --> 01:46:53.541 - [Reporter] One example in the complaint shows 2492 01:46:53.541 --> 01:46:57.083 how Rafael Gonzalez said there was no competition 2493 01:46:57.083 --> 01:46:58.750 for this product. 2494 01:46:58.750 --> 01:47:02.000 The cost was only in the range of $40 a vial 2495 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.000 and thus he recommended they raise the price. 2496 01:47:05.000 --> 01:47:07.791 The VP of Sales agreed, noting. 2497 01:47:07.791 --> 01:47:10.583 - [Rafael] A 1,000% gross does not seem unreasonable 2498 01:47:10.583 --> 01:47:12.166 based on infrastructure 2499 01:47:12.166 --> 01:47:13.958 and the lack of competition. 2500 01:47:13.958 --> 01:47:17.416 - [Reporter] They set the price to $450 a vial. 2501 01:47:17.416 --> 01:47:19.416 - Now so just be clear Planned Parenthood they're still 2502 01:47:19.416 --> 01:47:21.875 insisting its clinics did nothing wrong. 2503 01:47:21.875 --> 01:47:24.583 - Our evidence indicates no money was never exchanged 2504 01:47:25.583 --> 01:47:28.500 between these companies and Planned Parenthood. 2505 01:47:28.500 --> 01:47:32.083 - Rafael Gonzalez is the first name you see on the 2506 01:47:32.083 --> 01:47:33.916 independent lab analysis 2507 01:47:33.916 --> 01:47:37.375 for the stem cell products for Liveyon, 2508 01:47:37.375 --> 01:47:42.291 He also appears as a regular guest on Liveyon's podcast. 2509 01:47:42.291 --> 01:47:44.666 Another interesting coincidence 2510 01:47:44.666 --> 01:47:48.916 is how Liveyon's current address is the exact same 2511 01:47:48.916 --> 01:47:51.333 as DaVinci's former address. 2512 01:47:51.333 --> 01:47:53.375 But that's not all. 2513 01:47:53.375 --> 01:47:56.791 - This is a three part series that I'm doing. 2514 01:47:56.791 --> 01:47:59.500 - [Reporter] Dan Pompa makes multiple videos 2515 01:47:59.500 --> 01:48:01.916 promoting Rafael Gonzalez. 2516 01:48:01.916 --> 01:48:04.791 - The first interview which you're about to hear, 2517 01:48:04.791 --> 01:48:09.791 is I interviewed a scientist Rafael Gonzalez. 2518 01:48:10.250 --> 01:48:12.875 - I'm in one of the top stem cell clinics in the world 2519 01:48:12.875 --> 01:48:15.541 with some of the top researchers and fact, 2520 01:48:15.541 --> 01:48:20.541 I just interviewed Dr. Rafael on a Cellular Healing TV. 2521 01:48:21.125 --> 01:48:23.250 Look out for that, some of the stem cells 2522 01:48:23.250 --> 01:48:24.291 that they're doing there, 2523 01:48:24.291 --> 01:48:27.458 I mean, unbelievable. I seek the best. 2524 01:48:27.458 --> 01:48:29.666 That's definitely the only thing I'm gonna use for me. 2525 01:48:29.666 --> 01:48:30.750 - [Reporter] Yes. 2526 01:48:30.750 --> 01:48:35.750 Dan Pompa recommends abortion profiteer Rafael Gonzalez 2527 01:48:36.083 --> 01:48:38.500 to his evangelical audience. 2528 01:48:38.500 --> 01:48:41.500 But he never mentions Rafael's role 2529 01:48:41.500 --> 01:48:46.250 of selling aborted fetal body parts for a 1,000% profit. 2530 01:48:46.250 --> 01:48:47.708 - A lot of bad stuff. 2531 01:48:47.708 --> 01:48:48.541 There really is. 2532 01:48:48.541 --> 01:48:49.791 Yes, there is, I agree 100%. 2533 01:48:49.791 --> 01:48:51.791 - But there's a lot of amazing stuff going on. 2534 01:48:51.791 --> 01:48:52.708 - Amazing stuff, right. 2535 01:48:52.708 --> 01:48:53.750 - And that's why I came here. 2536 01:48:53.750 --> 01:48:55.583 So welcome to Cell TV. 2537 01:48:55.583 --> 01:48:58.166 - You'll see these people calling themselves journalists 2538 01:48:58.166 --> 01:49:01.916 or doing podcasts where each and every one people trust them 2539 01:49:01.916 --> 01:49:03.083 that they're bringing the news, 2540 01:49:03.083 --> 01:49:05.916 when in fact they haven't disclosed they're getting paid 2541 01:49:05.916 --> 01:49:07.125 just to promote a product. 2542 01:49:07.125 --> 01:49:10.208 Their podcasts are nothing more than infomercials. 2543 01:49:10.208 --> 01:49:12.208 - [Reporter] And goes to great effort 2544 01:49:12.208 --> 01:49:15.208 to make sure you click the link below the video. 2545 01:49:15.208 --> 01:49:18.583 - I'll have your team have put in there for the cell TV, 2546 01:49:18.583 --> 01:49:21.000 they put a link for Dr. Pampa. 2547 01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:23.041 And what you get with that with this clinic 2548 01:49:23.041 --> 01:49:25.083 is you get a free evaluation. 2549 01:49:25.083 --> 01:49:26.458 I will put the link in as a matter 2550 01:49:26.458 --> 01:49:28.416 of fact your clinic called Re Health. 2551 01:49:28.416 --> 01:49:29.458 - [Rafael] Rehealth.com. 2552 01:49:29.458 --> 01:49:32.166 - Yeah, I will put a link in there because you offered 2553 01:49:32.166 --> 01:49:36.000 basically a free screening that you all could get 2554 01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:36.958 being my fans. 2555 01:49:36.958 --> 01:49:40.000 - [Reporter] One of the YouTube comments to Dan's video came 2556 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.416 from an Australian named Darcy, who asked, 2557 01:49:43.416 --> 01:49:46.291 could you please indicate if any commissions 2558 01:49:46.291 --> 01:49:48.583 are being given for referrals? 2559 01:49:48.583 --> 01:49:52.291 If so, what are the Commission's being used for? 2560 01:49:52.291 --> 01:49:54.166 There was no reply. 2561 01:49:54.166 --> 01:49:56.666 It's been a long time since Jeff Hayes, 2562 01:49:56.666 --> 01:49:58.791 Brent Detelich and Dan Pompa. 2563 01:49:58.791 --> 01:50:01.708 Each received convictions in Pennsylvania. 2564 01:50:01.708 --> 01:50:04.041 Now, they are living the dream, 2565 01:50:04.041 --> 01:50:06.250 spending an intimate Christmas Eve together 2566 01:50:06.250 --> 01:50:07.125 in Park City. 2567 01:50:07.125 --> 01:50:12.125 DaVinci Biosciences reached a settlement for $7.8 million 2568 01:50:12.416 --> 01:50:14.750 in December 2017. 2569 01:50:14.750 --> 01:50:16.916 That included no jail time. 2570 01:50:16.916 --> 01:50:19.333 - Certainly it's a violation of the law. 2571 01:50:19.333 --> 01:50:22.000 But the law doesn't provide any criminal penalties for 2572 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:23.916 this particular violation. 2573 01:50:23.916 --> 01:50:27.416 - You know. I've gone from being a critic of that type 2574 01:50:27.416 --> 01:50:30.708 of control to a huge advocate for it. 2575 01:50:30.708 --> 01:50:32.250 Based on what I've seen. 2576 01:50:32.250 --> 01:50:34.750 - [Reporter] The FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to deal 2577 01:50:34.750 --> 01:50:36.375 with the volume of misbehaviors. 2578 01:50:37.250 --> 01:50:39.500 Patients must understand the law. 2579 01:50:39.500 --> 01:50:41.583 - It's always important for patients to understand the law 2580 01:50:41.583 --> 01:50:43.625 but even more so today, 2581 01:50:43.625 --> 01:50:45.583 because they need to understand 2582 01:50:45.583 --> 01:50:47.041 when positions are attempting 2583 01:50:47.041 --> 01:50:50.500 to deceive them because we are living in the wild, 2584 01:50:50.500 --> 01:50:52.583 wild west of stem cells. 2585 01:50:54.750 --> 01:50:57.250 (soft music)