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The sound I'm going to play now

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is Timothy Leary's voice...

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in 1974

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when he was incarcerated
at Vacaville Prison.

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He did a series of interviews

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with one of the
psychologists at the prison.

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I'm just going
to play the very first words

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he gave this psychologist.

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Dr. Timothy Leary,

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once a clinical psychologist
and Harvard professor,

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now, by his own description,

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a visionary prophet.

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Others have called him
the man most responsible

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for the North American crisis
over LSD.

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We're teaching people
how to use their head.

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The, uh, point is...

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that in order to use your head,

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you have to go out of your mind.

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He... was

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put in prison

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as an ideological trafficker

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that had to be stopped.

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After he escaped from prison

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and spent three years in Europe,

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we were both trapped
and captured in Afghanistan.

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My biggest question:

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Was I being manipulated?

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And if I was manipulated,

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how far back did it go?

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Whatever forces

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had been following Timothy

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since way back.

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All of the counterculture said

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that I was
a CIA sex provocateur,

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a Mata Hari,

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that I had been sent

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to lead Timothy to Afghanistan

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and get him arrested.

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Twenty.

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Is Joanna Harcourt-Smith,

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his one contact/spokesagent,

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a sex spy?

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An agent provocateuse,

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a double agent,

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a CIA hysteric,

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a jealous tigress, or what?

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All of the above.

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So you're a CIA plant?

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I still wonder to this day.

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It's in watching Wormwood...

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where I said to myself,

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"Maybe I was a CIA plant."

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And maybe I'd been manipulated

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to... lead Timothy Leary

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back into being captured.

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Uh, this is
Joanna Harcourt.

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First I'd like to show you
these two papers

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that, uh,
Timothy Leary gave me

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two minutes before
we got off the plane

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in Los Angeles
yesterday evening.

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I'll read them to you.

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"January 18th, 1973,

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To Joanna Harcourt-Smith,

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I lovingly give all the rights

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to transmit the story
of our perfect love in Spain,

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Switzerland, Austria, USA,

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Lebanon, Afghanistan, Germany,
et cetera. Timothy Leary."

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If you'd like to see them.

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I loved him.

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I had known him for six weeks.

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We had traveled like

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shooting stars across Europe,

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taking acid every day...

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plunging into the maddest,

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romantic relationship
you could ever imagine.

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I knew nothing about him.

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I had not read
any of his books.

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I had heard
the Moody Blues song.

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I remember exactly

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where I heard that song.

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Seven months pregnant

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in a bathtub
in Trenton, New Jersey,

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which for me was
like stranger than Peru,

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with my tummy protruding
out of the water

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and hearing...

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Timothy Leary's dead

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No, no, no, no

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He's outside, looking in

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Timothy Leary's dead

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And I got this
strange destiny feeling.

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It's happened to me
many times in my life.

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This is a turning point.

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He'll fly his astral plane

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Takes you trips
around the bay

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Timothy Leary

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Timothy Leary

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LSD was calling me.

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Definitely.

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The Supreme Court
today overturned

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the narcotics conviction
of Dr. Timothy Leary,

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and in the process dealt
a crippling blow

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to federal marijuana laws.

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I don't think
that I'm ever going to spend

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more than one day in jail--
that's my limit.

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You see, it would be suicidal

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for the United States
government to put me in jail.

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Every time they arrest me,
they bring more interest

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and sympathy
for what we're doing.

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'Cause we're not criminals,
we're not dope addicts.

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We're sincere people trying
to do our best for our society

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and for our own souls.

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I had a very painful childhood.

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Much of it was about

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being Jews in Europe.

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My mother went through
two world wars.

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She went through
two world wars as a Jew.

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She carried the trauma

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of having escaped Poland.

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She carried the trauma
of 77 of her relatives

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being killed.

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Except for sometimes
being funny...

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my mother was...

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well,

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she treated me like

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she was Hitler

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and I was the Jew.

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That didn't make
for a very happy childhood.

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I think I was about 11 when
I found out we were Jewish.

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And so, I immediately ran
to my mother

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and I said to her,

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"This is wonderful,
we're Jewish!

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We're the most intelligent
people in the world!"

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And she slapped me
across the face.

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She said, "Never,
never, never say that."

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Being a Catholic
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It would save her child,
her children,

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and, uh, it would save her.

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So back to LSD calling me.

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There was something
that could provoke

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an enormous change in me.

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And perhaps I could find out

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what it was to feel planted.

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Something is being born,

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and I wanted to be part of it.

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For those of you who, uh,

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missed the last
thrilling installment

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in this Keystone Kops drama,

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yesterday afternoon
Rosemary and I came here

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to talk to the press
about, uh, our views

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and to, uh,
answer any questions.

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And, as you probably know, uh,

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I was arrested

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and then immediately
released at the, um,

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at the jail.

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Dr. Timothy Leary,
the former Harvard instructor

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who became an exponent of LSD,

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has been convicted of illegally
transporting marijuana

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and faces a possible
20-year prison sentence.

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At that time,
this character I had been

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lovers with...

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when I was 18 years old...

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a man called Michel Hauchard...

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came to visit me.

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He was an arms dealer...

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a James Bond villain.

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Timothy called him Goldfinger.

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Do you expect me
to talk?

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No, Mr. Bond,
I expect you to die.

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He was always trying
to get back with me.

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He would say to me,
"I have a Rolls-Royce,"

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and I'd say, "I don't care."

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He'd say, "I have a villa
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I'd say, "I don't care."

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We had dinner,

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and at dinner he said to me,

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"I own Timothy Leary."

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So I said,
"What is Timothy Leary?"

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"It's this man who's
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and he's escaped from prison."

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That was so exciting for me!

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I almost wanted to be
with an outlaw.

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Dr. Timothy Leary,
formerly of Harvard,

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now known as the High Priest
of the drug cult,

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escaped during the night from
the California Men's Colony

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at San Luis Obispo.

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Dr. Leary was serving
a term of up to ten years

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for possession of marijuana.

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We want to tell the people
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the third world war has begun.

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Join us in the fight for freedom

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because we are everywhere,

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and we're happy
and we're free.

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And we want to make
the world free.

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And how did he
come to "own" Timothy Leary?

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Well, this is it.

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His friend recommended

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that he be Timothy

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and Rosemary's protector

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in Switzerland.

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Michel gave them
a beautiful house...

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paid for a nice life.

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But after a short while he said,

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"If you write a book
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I will sell it."

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Michel said to Timothy,

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"I would like you to

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sign a contract where
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all your literary rights

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now and forever."

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Timothy had nothing to lose.

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He was an outlaw on the run.

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He signed it.

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And so that's
what Michel meant

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when he sat next to me

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in that restaurant

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in Marbella and said,

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"I own Timothy Leary."

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How rich is he?

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Who? Michel Hauchard?

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Yes.

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How can I tell?

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You can never tell how rich,
rich people are.

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Switzerland today
refused a United States request

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for the extradition of
LSD advocate Timothy Leary.

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Leary called it
a victory of love.

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Dr. Leary,

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you are in exile
from your own country.

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-You're a fugitive
from justice.
-Mm-hmm.

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How do you feel about that,

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not being able to go home?

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Well, it's ironic, um,

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my joy today...

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comes because, uh,

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I'm not going to go back
to the United States.

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I'm going to decline
the invitation of, uh,

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Governor Reagan
and President Nixon to, uh,

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come back to their prison.

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I started thinking
about this Timothy Leary.

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I just had this destiny thing.

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I always feel when
there's going to be
a turn in my destiny.

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It's happened to me
again and again and again.

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I was living in
the south of Spain

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in this place called Marbella.

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It was very groovy.

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I took off with a man

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in a VW bus.

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He spent a lot of time
with the Rolling Stones.

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One of their songs is called

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"Tommy the Tumbling Dice."

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It's about my friend Tommy.

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We went to see
Keith Richards

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in Villars, in Switzerland.

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Keith Richards had this lover,

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Anita Pallenberg,

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who was quite a sizzling number,

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I would say.

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She almost singlehandedly

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invented the Rolling Stones.

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She said, "There's
this man, Timothy Leary,

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and his wife is gone,

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and you have to meet him."

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At that time I was very busy.

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What Tommy and I were doing is

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we were trying
to convince Keith,

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"Go to America

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and do a series

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of concerts

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to promote McGovern.

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We didn't want Nixon
to win the election.

272
00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:03,235
And Keith said...

273
00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:05,779
Sure.

274
00:15:05,821 --> 00:15:09,116
Tommy and I flew
to Washington, D.C.

275
00:15:10,826 --> 00:15:12,745
We went to the McGovern

276
00:15:12,786 --> 00:15:14,788
headquarters and we told them,

277
00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:17,458
"Hey, the Rolling Stones
are willing to do

278
00:15:17,499 --> 00:15:20,961
three weeks or a month
of concerts for you."

279
00:15:22,671 --> 00:15:26,008
And there was such
a sense of defeatism.

280
00:15:27,343 --> 00:15:29,261
They were so down,

281
00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:31,931
they felt so bad
that they couldn't accept.

282
00:15:33,223 --> 00:15:34,850
So,

283
00:15:35,893 --> 00:15:37,937
next adventure?

284
00:15:41,273 --> 00:15:44,652
We went to New York.

285
00:15:44,693 --> 00:15:46,946
We were staying
with this friend of mine,

286
00:15:46,987 --> 00:15:49,156
Diane von Furstenberg.

287
00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:53,160
Those are the kind of people
I grew up with.

288
00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:56,664
-The phone rang.

289
00:15:56,705 --> 00:15:58,332
She handed me the phone,

290
00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:00,334
and I was just lying there

291
00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:02,002
on her mink blanket.

292
00:16:02,044 --> 00:16:04,505
It was Michel.
Michel knew Diane.

293
00:16:04,546 --> 00:16:07,508
I made an appointment to go
and have drinks with him

294
00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:10,177
at the St. Regis.

295
00:16:10,219 --> 00:16:13,013
He pulled out a check

296
00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:16,308
for $250,000.

297
00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:18,185
That's a lot of money.

298
00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:21,689
He says, "That's what
Bantam Books gave me

299
00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:26,110
for the manuscript
that Timothy has just written

300
00:16:26,151 --> 00:16:27,861
about his escape

301
00:16:27,903 --> 00:16:31,198
and his life on the run,"

302
00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,827
the book that became
Confessions of a Hope Fiend.

303
00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:39,498
He was emulating
Aleister Crowley.

304
00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:46,046
Well, I thought,
"Oh, my goodness,

305
00:16:46,088 --> 00:16:48,424
this guy's
really interesting."

306
00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:45,105
Tommy and I flew to Geneva,

307
00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:47,566
went into Lausanne,

308
00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:50,110
-went up to Michel's house.

309
00:17:50,152 --> 00:17:53,238
The Moroccan butler
opened the door.

310
00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,994
We gave him a good English
hashish spliff.

311
00:17:59,036 --> 00:18:01,163
I went into Michel's office

312
00:18:01,205 --> 00:18:04,374
and I opened his address book,

313
00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:06,794
and I found
about five phone numbers

314
00:18:06,835 --> 00:18:09,254
for Timothy.

315
00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:13,258
Isn't Tommy jealous
of your interest in Leary?

316
00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:16,095
Well, he thought
he'd be included.

317
00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:18,138
I mean, he didn't think that

318
00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:22,476
Timothy and I were going
to be each other's destiny.

319
00:18:24,686 --> 00:18:26,730
Then I went to

320
00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,566
the Palace Hotel in Lausanne.

321
00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:30,984
I didn't have any money.

322
00:18:31,026 --> 00:18:34,988
I never have any money,
but things happen.

323
00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:37,574
And they knew me because
I learned to walk there.

324
00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:40,702
We got this beautiful suite.

325
00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:42,913
I started calling Timothy.

326
00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:46,083
Hello?

327
00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:49,920
I told him I saw
Michel Hauchard in New York

328
00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:53,132
and he has a big check of yours.

329
00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:56,844
He invited us to come to Lucerne

330
00:18:56,885 --> 00:18:58,303
and meet him.

331
00:18:58,345 --> 00:19:00,264
We got a bunch of balloons

332
00:19:00,305 --> 00:19:02,808
which we put in
the back of the car

333
00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:05,185
and we drove to Lucerne.

334
00:19:06,645 --> 00:19:08,230
Multicolored balloons?

335
00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,524
Multicolored balloons,
of course.

336
00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:16,864
I think I must have looked
at him from the feet to the top.

337
00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:18,866
And I swear it looked like

338
00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:21,326
he was dancing,

339
00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:22,786
not walking.

340
00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:26,331
I immediately thought,
"Oh, my goodness,

341
00:19:26,373 --> 00:19:29,209
this man is
incredibly attractive.

342
00:19:30,669 --> 00:19:34,798
He invited us to go
to his chalet.

343
00:19:36,133 --> 00:19:39,386
He said,
"Will you come with me?"

344
00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:43,682
He had this
canary yellow Porsche.

345
00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:47,936
I thought, "Well, this is
getting better and better.

346
00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:50,314
This man is hip!"

347
00:19:52,649 --> 00:19:54,401
Maybe hip enough for me.

348
00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:58,363
And we went to his chalet.

349
00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:01,366
And he had three
or four people there.

350
00:20:02,576 --> 00:20:04,369
He said,

351
00:20:04,411 --> 00:20:07,039
"Does anybody want to take LSD?"

352
00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:14,463
I had two Clear Light acid...

353
00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:17,299
and I said, "Well, yes,

354
00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:20,093
but I just have enough
for you and me."

355
00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:22,429
He said to me,

356
00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:24,640
"You've come to free me."

357
00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:30,771
I thought,

358
00:20:30,812 --> 00:20:33,440
"Okay."

359
00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:36,443
I was a little intimidated,
but not too much.

360
00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:38,862
And we went to this restaurant.

361
00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:41,949
I was still tripping.

362
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:45,118
Everything was
going whoosh, whoosh.

363
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,287
For the people who know, uh,

364
00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:50,791
there can be great liquidity

365
00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:52,626
when you've taken acid.

366
00:20:52,668 --> 00:20:54,962
He ordered eggs and bacon.

367
00:20:55,003 --> 00:20:58,131
To me, the eggs were like eyes,

368
00:20:58,173 --> 00:21:00,926
but he was very comfortable

369
00:21:00,968 --> 00:21:02,678
with having a good breakfast.

370
00:21:02,719 --> 00:21:06,431
He brought his
tarot cards with him.

371
00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,976
He explained to me that he was

372
00:21:09,017 --> 00:21:11,478
a reincarnation

373
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,188
of Aleister Crowley...

374
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:17,609
and that this was
Crowley's deck.

375
00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:24,157
And the first card was
the Wheel of Fortune,

376
00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:27,995
and he said to me,
"That's what you are to me.

377
00:21:28,036 --> 00:21:29,830
Watch the wheel turn

378
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,874
and destiny turn.

379
00:21:32,916 --> 00:21:37,004
It's going to have an enormous
influence on my life."

380
00:21:37,045 --> 00:21:40,340
And then he pulled
the second card

381
00:21:40,382 --> 00:21:42,050
and it was Prudence.

382
00:21:43,844 --> 00:21:45,512
And I thought,

383
00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:48,015
"No, no,
I'll pass on that."

384
00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:49,683
And then,

385
00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:52,644
he pulled out...

386
00:21:52,686 --> 00:21:55,188
the Tower,

387
00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:58,525
which is an absolute explosion.

388
00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:02,362
It is a card designed

389
00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:04,531
to tell you

390
00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:07,743
that many times in life

391
00:22:07,784 --> 00:22:10,162
when something major passes,

392
00:22:10,203 --> 00:22:13,999
it feels like
everything you knew

393
00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:15,667
is being destroyed

394
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:17,919
to be renewed.

395
00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:22,549
That's what
the Tower represents.

396
00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:25,844
Absolute chaos...

397
00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:29,264
and transformation.

398
00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,646
And at that moment
he said to me,

399
00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:39,399
"You've come to free me,

400
00:22:39,441 --> 00:22:42,527
and I'm returning to America."

401
00:22:42,569 --> 00:22:45,947
I didn't really understand
what he meant...

402
00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:50,660
but I knew we were bonded.

403
00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:54,289
Truly bonded.

404
00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:02,005
Is there where
Dennis Martino enters?

405
00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:06,093
Dennis Martino
was at the chalet.

406
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,263
The sorcerer's apprentice.

407
00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:15,769
A dope dealer with
the Brotherhood of Eternal Love.

408
00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:17,979
A group of

409
00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:21,733
Laguna Beach surfers...

410
00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:26,071
who dealt hashish

411
00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:28,073
between Afghanistan

412
00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:30,784
and the United States.

413
00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:32,744
Dennis knew Timothy

414
00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:35,330
because Dennis's twin brother

415
00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:37,165
made a baby

416
00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:39,626
with Timothy's daughter.

417
00:23:41,962 --> 00:23:43,463
Is there any suggestion--

418
00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,298
I know that this became
an issue later--

419
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:46,716
maybe I'm jumping ahead--

420
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,719
that Dennis might be
working against Timothy?

421
00:23:49,761 --> 00:23:51,096
If you want, Errol,

422
00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:54,099
we can, uh,
at some point get into

423
00:23:54,141 --> 00:23:56,101
"strange stuff."

424
00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:58,645
One of the reasons I...

425
00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,981
came to get you

426
00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:04,651
was because of
these strangenesses.

427
00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:07,070
People are here,
then they show up here.

428
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:12,492
You asked earlier,
Why would you be manipulated?

429
00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:16,872
Well, because I
think this is a huge part

430
00:24:16,913 --> 00:24:19,332
of the manipulation

431
00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:22,043
by government that has led us

432
00:24:22,085 --> 00:24:24,254
to where we are today...

433
00:24:25,714 --> 00:24:28,884
the Timothy Leary story.

434
00:24:28,925 --> 00:24:31,344
President Nixon
asked Congress today

435
00:24:31,386 --> 00:24:34,347
for new laws to deal
with drugs and narcotics.

436
00:24:34,389 --> 00:24:36,141
The new laws
the President wants

437
00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:38,143
would replace parts of
the Marijuana Act

438
00:24:38,185 --> 00:24:40,854
struck down by
the Supreme Court last year.

439
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:43,273
Other legislation
would give a task force

440
00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,984
of federal agents
broad new powers to break in

441
00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,528
and make arrests
without warning.

442
00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:27,526
After breakfast,

443
00:25:27,567 --> 00:25:29,903
we go back to his house.

444
00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:33,406
Tommy explains to him

445
00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:38,286
that the way we're going
to get him out of Switzerland,

446
00:25:38,328 --> 00:25:40,997
we're going to buy a sailboat

447
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,667
in Amsterdam.

448
00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:46,836
We're going to make
that sailboat

449
00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:49,214
a radio station.

450
00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,426
We're going to
start broadcasting

451
00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:56,930
revolutionary messages,

452
00:25:56,972 --> 00:26:00,225
peace and love messages.

453
00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,395
We're going to sail
over to Jamaica

454
00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:08,108
where the Rolling Stones are
recording their latest album.

455
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:11,945
We left Timothy and went
back to the Palace Hotel.

456
00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:13,780
They said that
if I didn't pay the bill,

457
00:26:13,822 --> 00:26:16,199
I was going to be arrested
in the morning.

458
00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:19,786
I thought,
"That's amazing!

459
00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:23,623
I'm going to experience
what Timothy experienced."

460
00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:29,004
The Swiss prisons
were very civilized.

461
00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:33,258
I asked them to bring me
some magazines.

462
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,678
I asked them to bring me
some café au lait.

463
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,597
They were very obliging.

464
00:26:38,638 --> 00:26:41,099
It was sort of easy
for me to say,

465
00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:45,186
"Come on, release me,
somebody's going
to pay this bill.

466
00:26:45,228 --> 00:26:47,272
Goldfinger paid the bill.

467
00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:49,983
In gold bullion.

468
00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:53,320
Went back
to where Timothy lived...

469
00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:57,365
ran into his arms saying,

470
00:26:57,407 --> 00:26:59,576
"I just went to prison!"

471
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,497
I was so naive,
it was incredible.

472
00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:07,751
We decided that we would give

473
00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:09,919
Tommy a thousand dollars

474
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:11,838
to go look for a boat.

475
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,090
A thousand dollars
to get rid of him?

476
00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,009
Yeah, right.

477
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,764
When did you first realize

478
00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:23,016
that you could control men?

479
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,686
Oof.

480
00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:29,189
The first time a man

481
00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:32,859
kissed my neck
when I was maybe...

482
00:27:32,901 --> 00:27:35,278
eleven, 12 years old.

483
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,907
I had this surge of power.

484
00:27:38,948 --> 00:27:41,660
There's definitely something

485
00:27:41,701 --> 00:27:44,496
I can control in this life.

486
00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:50,960
Leary was emanating.

487
00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,713
Sexy. Power. Charm.

488
00:27:55,215 --> 00:27:58,843
We went off on the road
in the yellow Porsche,

489
00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:00,929
in the sparkling night

490
00:28:00,970 --> 00:28:04,516
with beautiful
Swiss snow falling

491
00:28:04,557 --> 00:28:06,309
and LSD.

492
00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:09,145
I was with him
in this bubble,

493
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,732
in this amazing
yellow spaceship.

494
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,861
I was beginning to feel

495
00:28:16,903 --> 00:28:19,906
some sense that I had arrived.

496
00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:26,079
I was a bit surprised because
we'd been together for a week...

497
00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:28,748
and we didn't have sex.

498
00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:30,667
In those days, I felt that

499
00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:34,337
if I was with a man
and I didn't have sex with him

500
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,423
pretty quickly,

501
00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:38,425
we weren't really bonded.

502
00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,095
But we got to
the Palace Hotel...

503
00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:47,559
and we went to our room,

504
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,602
and then he said to me,

505
00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:51,855
"Sit on the bed."

506
00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:55,275
He had... necklaces

507
00:28:55,316 --> 00:28:58,611
and bracelets

508
00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:01,698
and sort of Indian jewelry.

509
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,950
I instinctively got naked.

510
00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:06,786
He started putting the jewelry

511
00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:08,246
all over me.

512
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:11,624
He told me that I was
the Goddess Lakshmi.

513
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:18,298
Then he took out
a Life magazine.

514
00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:21,134
In that issue
of Life magazine

515
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:24,387
were the first images

516
00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,639
of inside the brain.

517
00:29:29,976 --> 00:29:31,311
And he said to me,

518
00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:34,939
"That's where I'm going to be

519
00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:37,275
making love to you."

520
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:41,362
And indeed,

521
00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:43,490
it was quite a loving...

522
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,409
session.

523
00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,835
So, anyway,

524
00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:39,879
we left Gstaad,
and we were going to go to

525
00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:43,383
St. Moritz where I was born.

526
00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:45,218
My mother was there

527
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:48,054
in January 1946,

528
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,558
mainly to play bridge.

529
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,519
Suddenly she started
having pains.

530
00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,896
Apparently
the village doctor told her

531
00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:58,857
she had appendicitis

532
00:30:58,898 --> 00:31:02,402
and gave her
lots of painkillers

533
00:31:02,443 --> 00:31:03,903
and, as she said,

534
00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:08,074
"After about 40 hours
of bothering me,

535
00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,951
you came out."

536
00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:12,370
And I weighed a kilo 50.

537
00:31:12,412 --> 00:31:15,790
Not much bigger
than a Nathan's hotdog.

538
00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:20,003
So he took me
to the very beginning.

539
00:31:21,796 --> 00:31:24,549
During all this time,

540
00:31:24,591 --> 00:31:26,092
Timothy--

541
00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:29,429
you have to remember
he's a psychologist.

542
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:32,891
He made me tell
my whole story.

543
00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:37,270
I don't have much of a memory

544
00:31:37,312 --> 00:31:39,272
till I'm about

545
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:42,191
four years old.

546
00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:46,613
We lived in the most
beautiful part of Paris

547
00:31:46,654 --> 00:31:48,615
called the Avenue Foch.

548
00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:52,285
Apparently I lied all the time.

549
00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:56,581
My nanny was very Catholic.

550
00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:58,708
Nanny decided with Mommy that

551
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,960
I should swear
before the Cross

552
00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:03,129
that I was never going
to lie again.

553
00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:05,423
Well, wow!

554
00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:07,926
I was wrong.

555
00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:09,844
I betrayed Jesus.

556
00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:16,184
Every summer,

557
00:32:16,225 --> 00:32:18,478
I would be taken to stay

558
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,813
at this villa

559
00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:23,024
in the south of France,

560
00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:25,610
the Villa Leonina.

561
00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:27,487
My step-grandfather,

562
00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:30,365
Arpád Plesch,

563
00:32:30,406 --> 00:32:34,535
was what they called
an international financier.

564
00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:37,413
He had this huge,

565
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:39,457
white villa

566
00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:41,918
overlooking the Mediterranean.

567
00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:48,925
He had 70 servants,

568
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:51,344
twelve of which were gardeners.

569
00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:54,639
He had a head gardener.

570
00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:58,685
And it was a garden with plants
from all over the world.

571
00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:00,770
And my grandfather flew in

572
00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:03,690
the most extraordinary birds.

573
00:33:03,731 --> 00:33:06,359
It was called the Exotic Garden.

574
00:33:09,404 --> 00:33:11,698
I used to take
my little friend, Rhoda,

575
00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:15,201
to go and play
with the head gardener.

576
00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:17,245
One day my grandfather

577
00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:20,707
took me aside and he said,

578
00:33:20,748 --> 00:33:23,543
"Rhoda told her nanny

579
00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:25,712
that the head gardener
touched her."

580
00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,547
He said to me,

581
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:31,259
"But all little girls
are Messalinas,

582
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,428
and they try to seduce."

583
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:35,888
That afternoon,

584
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:38,474
I was taken to the gendarmes.

585
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:40,685
Two gendarmes there

586
00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,562
kept asking me

587
00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:45,690
if the head gardener
had touched my pee-pee.

588
00:33:46,941 --> 00:33:50,570
I said, "No. No."

589
00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:52,655
It lasted for what was

590
00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:54,907
a very long time for me.

591
00:33:57,410 --> 00:33:59,245
In the end,

592
00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,249
I told them that he did.

593
00:34:05,084 --> 00:34:07,670
But I know that I didn't know,

594
00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:09,756
I just wanted to please them.

595
00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:13,092
So they brought him in,
in handcuffs,

596
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:16,929
for what the French call
"The Confrontation."

597
00:34:16,971 --> 00:34:19,766
They said repeat that
in front of him.

598
00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:22,143
I said, "He touched me."

599
00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:26,230
And they took him to prison.

600
00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:32,111
My mother had

601
00:34:32,153 --> 00:34:34,405
this very handsome chauffeur.

602
00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:36,491
I don't think the chauffeur

603
00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:38,951
was automatically the lover.

604
00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:41,037
I think my mother preferred

605
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,623
ambassadors and commodores

606
00:34:43,664 --> 00:34:45,708
and commanders.

607
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:51,631
She bragged she made
love with Mussolini.

608
00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:53,800
She had hired
this Spanish chauffeur.

609
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,135
His name was Jesus.

610
00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,137
She would have none of that.

611
00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:00,723
She named him Ivan.

612
00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:03,810
She wasn't going
to go around calling Jesus.

613
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,107
In those days, in Paris,

614
00:35:09,148 --> 00:35:12,401
it was very fashionable
to have cocktail parties.

615
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,613
Six o'clock,
my mother was gone.

616
00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:20,827
She had decorated my bedroom
like it was a farm.

617
00:35:20,868 --> 00:35:23,579
My bed was a wheelbarrow.

618
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:27,458
My cupboard was a barn.

619
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,544
One night,

620
00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:32,839
when Mummy had gone
out to a cocktail party,

621
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,299
the servants were up
in their rooms.

622
00:35:35,341 --> 00:35:37,385
Ivan came to my room.

623
00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:40,596
He started putting his hands

624
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,557
under my pajama,

625
00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,976
under the top,

626
00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:46,602
under the bottom.

627
00:35:46,644 --> 00:35:50,189
I tried to concentrate
on the pigeons...

628
00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:53,693
on the window.

629
00:35:53,734 --> 00:35:57,780
They were a lot of pigeons
that would come

630
00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,657
to the window.

631
00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,617
I had the feeling

632
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:03,286
there was something that was...

633
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,789
extremely,

634
00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:09,041
extremely wrong.

635
00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:17,800
And at the same time,

636
00:36:22,763 --> 00:36:25,224
I-I felt a sensation

637
00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:31,981
that was not altogether...

638
00:36:36,777 --> 00:36:38,738
disagreeable.

639
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,494
And I want to say this.

640
00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:49,957
The fact that there was
a slight sensation of...

641
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:57,131
of being seen,

642
00:36:57,173 --> 00:36:59,050
of being wanted...

643
00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:02,595
um...

644
00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:06,390
it created

645
00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:11,771
enormous confusion... for me.

646
00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:13,272
The guilt.

647
00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:16,275
Did you tell your mother?

648
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:18,444
Oh, yeah.

649
00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,780
She said, um...

650
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,951
"Good chauffeurs
are hard to find."

651
00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:30,873
Well, first she said
I was lying.

652
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,335
And then she said...

653
00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:38,881
"Good chauffeurs
are hard to find."

654
00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:43,636
You have to know something
because we're talking about

655
00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:48,683
what motivated me
to look for Timothy Leary.

656
00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:51,602
I feel all of this
is part of it.

657
00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:55,439
He was one of
the foremost psychologists

658
00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:56,983
of our time.

659
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,403
He sensed that

660
00:38:00,444 --> 00:38:03,322
psychedelics
could be medicines...

661
00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:08,286
that they could cure trauma

662
00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:10,329
and PTSD.

663
00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:12,623
This trajectory
of my childhood,

664
00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:16,168
it led me to find him.

665
00:38:42,903 --> 00:38:46,282
So then we went off
to visit a friend of mine

666
00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:48,659
who had a beautiful chalet.

667
00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:51,537
You know the Opel cars?

668
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,000
She was the von Opel heir.

669
00:38:56,042 --> 00:38:57,710
She gave a party.

670
00:38:59,211 --> 00:39:02,214
Andy Warhol and his
whole crew showed up.

671
00:39:04,383 --> 00:39:06,969
And Timothy said,

672
00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:11,390
"You and I are
the two most intelligent
men in America."

673
00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:13,017
He turned to me and he said,

674
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,227
"And she is the most intelligent

675
00:39:15,269 --> 00:39:17,605
woman in the world."

676
00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:22,234
Andy brought with him
a whole pile

677
00:39:22,276 --> 00:39:25,738
of 45 rpm records

678
00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:27,365
from the '50s.

679
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:30,910
And he insisted
that we dance.

680
00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:34,246
I love you,
I love you, I love you

681
00:39:34,288 --> 00:39:36,916
And where you go
I'll follow, I'll follow,
I'll follow

682
00:39:36,957 --> 00:39:41,420
You'll always be
my true love, my true love,
my true love

683
00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:46,258
From now until forever,
forever, forever

684
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,718
I will follow you

685
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,428
The next day he told me,

686
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:52,807
"We're going
to drive off to Vienna,

687
00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:55,643
and I'm going to do a film

688
00:39:55,684 --> 00:40:02,191
that will say that
I'm completely against drugs."

689
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,986
He felt that the man
who was the prime minister

690
00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:09,448
of Austria was going
to give him asylum.

691
00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:15,788
His asylum in Switzerland
was not safe anymore.

692
00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,584
At what point did he become

693
00:40:20,626 --> 00:40:23,587
the most dangerous man
in America?

694
00:40:23,629 --> 00:40:26,799
I think that was
one of Nixon's slogans.

695
00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:32,638
America's public enemy
number one in the United States

696
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,808
is drug abuse.

697
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:37,977
In order to fight
and defeat this enemy,

698
00:40:38,018 --> 00:40:41,063
it is necessary to wage a new,

699
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,732
all-out offensive.

700
00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:46,861
It gets tense
when you're a major outlaw.

701
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,490
We got to Vienna,
and what they wanted was

702
00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:55,661
for him to say
that drugs were great.

703
00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:59,206
He wasn't very pleased
to be doing that.

704
00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:06,213
Also, I have to tell you,

705
00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,841
that at that time

706
00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:12,470
I became completely orange,

707
00:41:12,511 --> 00:41:14,847
like a sunflower.

708
00:41:14,889 --> 00:41:20,019
He suggested we go
to the university hospital,

709
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,521
and there were
maybe 200 students there.

710
00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:26,317
I threw off my coat and I
lifted my sleeves and I said,

711
00:41:26,358 --> 00:41:29,820
"Doctor, you have something
more important to do.

712
00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:34,700
You have a patient here
who has a terrible illness."

713
00:41:34,742 --> 00:41:37,786
In the book,
you said you were naked!

714
00:41:37,828 --> 00:41:40,831
Well... maybe I was.

715
00:41:44,084 --> 00:41:46,545
And how did
the students react?

716
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:50,174
Oh, there was a roar.
Everybody adored it.

717
00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:53,886
I don't know,
if Timothy wasn't in love
with me until that moment,

718
00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:57,389
it totally busted
his heart open.

719
00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:03,896
Timothy's daughter

720
00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:06,732
had come back from India.

721
00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:10,402
She had brought water
from the Ganges.

722
00:42:10,444 --> 00:42:13,739
I thought it would be
very gracious on my part

723
00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:15,741
to drink that bottle of water.

724
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,370
"This is going to be
your stepdaughter,

725
00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:22,248
and she's the same age you are,

726
00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:26,001
and she hands you a bottle
of water from the Ganges.

727
00:42:27,127 --> 00:42:28,796
So I drank it up.

728
00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,257
I always thought that
it was probably that water

729
00:42:31,298 --> 00:42:34,260
that gave me the...

730
00:42:34,301 --> 00:42:37,304
hepatitis.

731
00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:41,183
In the middle of all that,
Dennis showed up

732
00:42:41,225 --> 00:42:43,102
and started saying...

733
00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:47,147
that we should go
to Afghanistan.

734
00:42:48,482 --> 00:42:51,277
Timothy started explaining,

735
00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,946
"I know some people there

736
00:42:53,988 --> 00:42:56,448
who would give us
a lot of money,

737
00:42:56,490 --> 00:43:00,035
and then you and I
will go on to Ceylon,

738
00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:03,872
and we'll be poets on the beach

739
00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:06,709
and have babies."

740
00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:11,880
I thought that was the most
marvelous, magical plan

741
00:43:11,922 --> 00:43:13,507
you could imagine.

742
00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:15,134
Then we found out that Dennis

743
00:43:15,175 --> 00:43:16,969
had driven the Porsche

744
00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:18,721
and totaled it.

745
00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:24,351
There was no way out

746
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:27,563
but forward and up and in.

747
00:43:31,358 --> 00:43:33,360
We've left Vienna.

748
00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:37,156
We've left what I know.

749
00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:40,451
But we're going
to make a stopover

750
00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,661
in Beirut.

751
00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,126
I'm really glad
we're going to Beirut

752
00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:51,503
because I know the president

753
00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:54,840
'cause the president
was in love with my mother.

754
00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,676
I knew we would be
received very well.

755
00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:00,471
Also, I was a star

756
00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:03,682
on Lebanese TV

757
00:44:03,724 --> 00:44:08,062
when I was between
the age of 14 and 15.

758
00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:12,858
I was watching
television in Beirut,

759
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,361
and I saw
they had a quiz show.

760
00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:18,864
I applied for the quiz show
and I was taken.

761
00:44:18,906 --> 00:44:21,533
- To be a contestant.
-To be a contestant.

762
00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:22,993
And I loved it.

763
00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:29,375
You had to figure out
who was lying.

764
00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:31,919
The man who was
in charge of programs

765
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,379
came up to me and he said,

766
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:35,422
"You're really good
on television."

767
00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:37,216
Then I said to him,

768
00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:39,677
"Okay, well, why don't
you produce a show with me?

769
00:44:39,718 --> 00:44:44,682
Let's have a show called
Teenagers Club."

770
00:44:44,723 --> 00:44:47,017
From the book,
you tell a story

771
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:50,270
that almost all of
the producers were
in love with you.

772
00:44:50,312 --> 00:44:52,147
Well, they were.

773
00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:54,024
When I was 15,

774
00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:57,736
that's when I started
having a lot of sex.

775
00:44:57,778 --> 00:44:59,405
Can't say I regret it.

776
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:07,830
We stopped in Beirut.

777
00:45:07,871 --> 00:45:11,792
Something very extraordinary
happened there.

778
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:14,420
You have to remember,

779
00:45:14,461 --> 00:45:16,588
I didn't know Timothy
for a long time.

780
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,882
And I really didn't understand

781
00:45:18,924 --> 00:45:23,595
the significance of
his life work until then.

782
00:45:23,637 --> 00:45:28,392
And we're at the son
of the president's house.

783
00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:30,936
He saw all these books
by Jung,

784
00:45:30,978 --> 00:45:34,148
and he turned to me
and he said,

785
00:45:34,189 --> 00:45:36,650
"They're not going
to understand my work

786
00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:39,945
until after I'm dead."

787
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:38,420
He was telling me
he was a fugitive,
so I said to him,

788
00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:40,339
"Well, I have
a really good idea.

789
00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:42,174
I think you should dye
your hair."

790
00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:49,348
I mean, I didn't know
I was up against the whole
United States government.

791
00:46:52,184 --> 00:46:54,144
I chose a rock 'n' roll look,

792
00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:58,023
purple trousers
and a silver shirt.

793
00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:00,108
I got some black dye.

794
00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:03,445
So I started putting
the black dye on his hair,

795
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:07,157
but then we made love

796
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,785
and we forgot about
the black dye.

797
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:13,372
And his hair turned out to be

798
00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:15,874
absolute purple.

799
00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:19,378
Here was my rock 'n' roll
star professor.

800
00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:22,339
Here's a question:

801
00:47:22,381 --> 00:47:26,343
why does he have to travel
in some kind of disguise?

802
00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:29,221
He knows that

803
00:47:29,263 --> 00:47:31,223
any place he stops,

804
00:47:31,265 --> 00:47:34,393
he might be arrested.

805
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:39,064
The indictment

806
00:47:39,106 --> 00:47:41,400
had just come out.

807
00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,113
They charged him with everything

808
00:47:46,154 --> 00:47:48,615
that the Brotherhood
of Eternal Love did.

809
00:47:54,246 --> 00:47:56,248
I am glad
that in this administration

810
00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:59,042
we have increased
the amount of money

811
00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:02,754
for handling the problem
of dangerous drugs sevenfold.

812
00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,173
It will be $600 million
this year.

813
00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:09,511
This is one area where
we cannot have budget cuts.

814
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:11,972
We must wage
what I have called total war

815
00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:15,684
against public enemy number one
in the United States,

816
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:17,603
the problem of dangerous drugs.

817
00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:25,277
Here we are,

818
00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:27,613
Timothy, Dennis and me,

819
00:48:27,654 --> 00:48:31,450
finally on the plane from Beirut

820
00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:33,118
to Kabul.

821
00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:37,414
We walk into the terminal.

822
00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:42,419
This man snaps both passports

823
00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:44,463
out of Timothy's hands.

824
00:48:44,504 --> 00:48:47,799
He throws a card at us,

825
00:48:47,841 --> 00:48:51,345
and he starts
running out of the airport.

826
00:48:51,386 --> 00:48:53,263
"James Senner,

827
00:48:53,305 --> 00:48:58,101
second attaché at the Embassy
of the United States."

828
00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:04,983
It was utter shock.

829
00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:12,491
We go up to
the immigration people--

830
00:49:12,532 --> 00:49:16,995
"You can't come into
this country because you
don't have any passports."

831
00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:20,415
I'm having a fear

832
00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:23,168
like I've never had before.

833
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:25,212
Never had after.

834
00:49:27,547 --> 00:49:29,675
I put on the persona

835
00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:33,095
who threw her coat off

836
00:49:33,136 --> 00:49:36,014
in front of
the professor in Vienna--

837
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:43,063
"If you separate me
from Timothy Leary, I will die."

838
00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,190
I fainted on the floor

839
00:49:45,232 --> 00:49:48,443
to show him
that I meant business.

840
00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:51,446
He said, "We're not going
to separate you."

841
00:49:53,365 --> 00:49:57,119
Then we were taken
to the Plaza Hotel...

842
00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:00,706
where they put foreigners

843
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,041
in the rooms

844
00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:05,502
as prisoners.

845
00:50:05,544 --> 00:50:08,880
First time I asked
to go to the toilet,

846
00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:12,217
they let Timothy come
to the toilet with me.

847
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:14,052
He got down on his knees.

848
00:50:14,094 --> 00:50:17,097
I don't know why it still
just makes me cry today.

849
00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:20,767
It was such an act of
tenderness in that moment

850
00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:25,272
that was
frenetically terrifying,

851
00:50:25,313 --> 00:50:29,359
with Timothy getting
down on his knees,

852
00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:31,486
carefully, minutiously

853
00:50:31,528 --> 00:50:33,155
cleaning the toilet.

854
00:50:33,196 --> 00:50:35,490
I felt protected

855
00:50:35,532 --> 00:50:37,951
in this moment of horror.

856
00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:43,081
These two Afghani
secret service

857
00:50:43,123 --> 00:50:44,541
came into the room

858
00:50:44,583 --> 00:50:48,086
and they started
interrogating Timothy,

859
00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:51,548
asking him who he was.

860
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:53,717
Timothy said,

861
00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:57,929
"I am not going back to the
United States without Joanna."

862
00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:02,267
And after about four days,

863
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:05,854
they told us that we were
being taken to the airport.

864
00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:13,445
We got into this Jeep

865
00:51:13,487 --> 00:51:16,948
with the soldiers all around
with their machine guns,

866
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,326
and we got to the airport.

867
00:51:20,368 --> 00:51:22,954
An Indian doctor came up to me,

868
00:51:22,996 --> 00:51:26,792
presented me
with a paper that said,

869
00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:28,627
"If something happens to you,

870
00:51:28,668 --> 00:51:33,507
you will not hold the
Afghani government responsible."

871
00:51:33,548 --> 00:51:35,884
I signed that paper, yeah.

872
00:51:40,806 --> 00:51:45,310
There was a plane
of Ariana Airlines.

873
00:51:45,352 --> 00:51:47,312
We started going up the steps.

874
00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:50,774
And this man with a beard said,

875
00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:54,152
"Agent Terrence Burke,

876
00:51:54,194 --> 00:51:56,113
dope's the game.

877
00:51:56,154 --> 00:52:00,784
I've come to bring you
back to the United States."

878
00:52:00,826 --> 00:52:04,913
And he handed Timothy
an ID card.

879
00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:08,041
Profession: Philosopher.

880
00:52:10,377 --> 00:52:12,420
They put us in first class.

881
00:52:14,506 --> 00:52:16,466
Two agents in
the seats behind us,

882
00:52:16,508 --> 00:52:19,344
two agents in
the seat opposite us.

883
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,514
I was so scared.

884
00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:24,015
The plane was going
to do two stops--

885
00:52:24,057 --> 00:52:25,350
Tehran, Paris.

886
00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:28,395
I obviously had
paper to write with

887
00:52:28,436 --> 00:52:29,813
and I had a pen.

888
00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:32,858
And I wrote,
"This is Dr. Timothy Leary.

889
00:52:32,899 --> 00:52:35,152
We are being kidnapped.

890
00:52:35,193 --> 00:52:37,863
Please give this
to the first authority

891
00:52:37,904 --> 00:52:40,949
that you see in
the airport in Paris."

892
00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:46,037
And I start dropping these
little papers on people's laps.

893
00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:50,333
About 15 minutes later,

894
00:52:50,375 --> 00:52:52,043
a voice came on and they said,

895
00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:56,047
"This plane is no longer
going to Paris.

896
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:59,467
It's been diverted
to Germany."

897
00:53:01,344 --> 00:53:04,890
I'm in the hands of people
who can just deviate a plane.

898
00:53:06,558 --> 00:53:10,395
They took us
into an empty waiting room.

899
00:53:11,396 --> 00:53:13,231
And the next day,

900
00:53:13,273 --> 00:53:17,110
they pushed us
onto a plane to L.A.

901
00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:19,237
In first class.

902
00:53:20,614 --> 00:53:22,908
Well, on that flight to L.A.

903
00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:25,577
was this friend of my family,

904
00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:27,787
friend of my sister,

905
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:31,374
this fabulous playboy
who had actually been married

906
00:53:31,416 --> 00:53:33,752
to Brigitte Bardot.

907
00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:38,089
And we drank champagne.

908
00:53:41,426 --> 00:53:44,054
And we talked. And we played.

909
00:53:47,807 --> 00:53:49,935
Timothy made a pact with them,

910
00:53:49,976 --> 00:53:51,895
that they would take care of me.

911
00:53:51,937 --> 00:53:55,190
I didn't really know
what was going to happen.

912
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,067
And shortly before we landed,

913
00:53:57,108 --> 00:54:00,528
he handed me his address book.

914
00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:02,280
He wrote a paper saying:

915
00:54:02,322 --> 00:54:03,907
"The right to speak for me

916
00:54:03,949 --> 00:54:06,910
I hereby lovingly give
to Joanna Harcourt-Smith,

917
00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:08,954
who is my love, my voice,

918
00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:10,956
my wisdom, my words,

919
00:54:10,997 --> 00:54:12,415
my output to the world

920
00:54:12,457 --> 00:54:14,751
for our love,
et cetera, et cetera.

921
00:54:14,793 --> 00:54:18,463
Timothy Leary,
over Montana, USA.

922
00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:21,216
January 18th, 1973."

923
00:54:26,638 --> 00:54:30,183
The day
we were brought back was

924
00:54:30,225 --> 00:54:32,602
the week the Plumbers

925
00:54:32,644 --> 00:54:34,604
got sentenced.

926
00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:38,483
It was the week of Nixon's
second inauguration.

927
00:54:40,402 --> 00:54:42,988
That was absolutely...

928
00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:46,491
calculated.

929
00:54:46,533 --> 00:54:48,868
The law and order President.

930
00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:50,870
They had been
tracking us all along.

931
00:54:50,912 --> 00:54:54,165
I mean, there's absolutely
no doubt about it.

932
00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:58,003
You see, this is why I think

933
00:54:58,044 --> 00:55:01,339
the CIA had a lot
to do with this story.

934
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:04,801
I saw the order

935
00:55:04,843 --> 00:55:07,345
from Ehrlichman that said,

936
00:55:07,387 --> 00:55:09,681
"Capture Dr. Timothy Leary

937
00:55:09,723 --> 00:55:13,643
and return him by any means."

938
00:55:13,685 --> 00:55:15,186
He's the best man
in the world.

939
00:55:15,228 --> 00:55:17,147
He's beautiful.
He's a philosopher.

940
00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,024
He's got all the answers.
He's happy.

941
00:55:19,065 --> 00:55:21,318
He's happy, you understand?
He's come back--

942
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,987
He's come back because
he has got things to say

943
00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:26,197
because he's a beautiful man

944
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,116
and because he's going
to save the world

945
00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:30,869
and because he's full of love,
and our love is perfect.

946
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:33,663
Our love is
the most beautiful love
that's ever existed.

947
00:55:33,705 --> 00:55:35,540
I met him two months ago
in Switzerland,

948
00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:38,084
and I haven't left him
a second ever since.

949
00:55:38,126 --> 00:55:40,337
And I know nothing of his past--

950
00:55:40,378 --> 00:55:43,673
I only know that I've lived
with him day and night,

951
00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:45,508
and that he's a perfect man.

952
00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:47,635
Were you with him
when he was arrested?

953
00:55:47,677 --> 00:55:49,846
-A perfect love.
- Were you
with him when he was arrested?

954
00:55:49,888 --> 00:55:51,890
Yes, sir. I was with him.

955
00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:54,142
It was totally illegal.

956
00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:57,979
One of the reasons
I contacted you

957
00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:00,690
is I think there's
still a mystery here.

958
00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:07,572
Same as in Wormwood.

959
00:56:07,614 --> 00:56:09,824
How we were manipulated.

960
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:13,203
How I was used

961
00:56:13,244 --> 00:56:15,872
to lead Timothy Leary

962
00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:18,291
back into custody.

963
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:22,337
And the fact that

964
00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:25,173
I don't know these things.

965
00:56:25,215 --> 00:56:28,760
I was told by Dennis
that Timothy met

966
00:56:28,802 --> 00:56:31,429
with this particular CIA agent

967
00:56:31,471 --> 00:56:34,474
from time to time
in Switzerland.

968
00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:38,144
I don't know what that means.

969
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:41,523
I'm intrigued by it,

970
00:56:41,564 --> 00:56:43,775
still, 40 years later.

971
00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:49,781
I'm not a conspiracy person,

972
00:56:49,823 --> 00:56:53,076
but it does involve my own life.

973
00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:57,330
There's another veil
that has not been uncovered

974
00:56:57,372 --> 00:57:00,125
about what was going on there.

975
00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:03,336
If you could
lift that veil, what
do you think you'd see?

976
00:57:03,378 --> 00:57:06,089
The Timothy Leary story

977
00:57:06,131 --> 00:57:09,717
is a very big political story.

978
00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:12,971
A lot of people
have been manipulated

979
00:57:13,012 --> 00:57:15,181
to manipulate history.

980
00:57:16,516 --> 00:57:20,395
And the more
I understand this story,

981
00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:22,480
the more I understand

982
00:57:22,522 --> 00:57:25,650
that it's part of a puzzle

983
00:57:25,692 --> 00:57:29,112
that's being played out.

984
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:31,739
The grandiosity of the people

985
00:57:31,781 --> 00:57:33,491
I grew up around

986
00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:35,326
was limitless.

987
00:57:35,368 --> 00:57:38,872
Using people as pawns

988
00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:41,458
was definitely their game.

989
00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:49,966
My step-grandfather
Arpád Plesch

990
00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:53,011
was a very,
very nasty character.

991
00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:58,475
He took money
from the Jewish people

992
00:57:58,516 --> 00:57:59,976
that he knew in Germany,

993
00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:04,105
and he hid the money in
Swiss numbered accounts,

994
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:06,316
and then he denounced

995
00:58:06,357 --> 00:58:07,984
those people

996
00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:10,361
to the Hitler people.

997
00:58:10,403 --> 00:58:11,946
He was not a Jew, however?

998
00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,408
Oh, he was a Jew.
Oh, yes, he was a Jew.

999
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:18,870
I've seen the absolute depravity

1000
00:58:18,912 --> 00:58:23,708
of the people who have
the most money in this world.

1001
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,502
And I've seen

1002
00:58:25,543 --> 00:58:28,463
how there are
no morals whatsoever.

1003
00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:29,631
None.

1004
00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:32,383
Money and power,

1005
00:58:32,425 --> 00:58:34,093
and that's it.

1006
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,849
Arpád Plesch was married
to both my mother

1007
00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:41,351
and my grandmother.

1008
00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:44,687
When my grandmother died,

1009
00:58:44,729 --> 00:58:47,815
I was taken into the garden

1010
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:51,486
to see Grandpa marrying Mummy.

1011
00:58:52,612 --> 00:58:54,572
And that was all about money...

1012
00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:58,618
and incest.

1013
00:58:58,660 --> 00:59:02,747
Forgive me,
but how was it that
your grandmother died?

1014
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:06,042
When my grandmother
was dying,

1015
00:59:06,084 --> 00:59:09,128
he went to get a knife

1016
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:12,632
and he plunged into her heart.

1017
00:59:12,674 --> 00:59:16,219
I guess my step-grandfather,
stepfather,

1018
00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:19,889
considered that
it was an act of love,

1019
00:59:19,931 --> 00:59:21,933
that he would make sure

1020
00:59:21,975 --> 00:59:24,852
that his wife was dead.

1021
00:59:24,894 --> 00:59:28,690
Your story
seems like a tragedy
out of ancient Greece.

1022
00:59:29,774 --> 00:59:31,568
Well, it's true, my story.

1023
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:34,946
It's true.
It's very strange.

1024
00:59:34,988 --> 00:59:37,282
It's absolutely true.

1025
01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:16,070
When we got brought
back to the United States,

1026
01:00:16,112 --> 01:00:20,825
I had no idea
who Timothy Leary was.

1027
01:00:20,867 --> 01:00:22,702
Guru, folk hero,

1028
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:26,497
and political resistor.

1029
01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:30,460
Ten days after we got back,

1030
01:00:30,501 --> 01:00:35,798
I heard that
Dennis had been captured.

1031
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,260
I went to see him
at the county jail

1032
01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:40,637
because he was a link

1033
01:00:40,678 --> 01:00:43,723
with that incredible
time in Europe.

1034
01:00:46,893 --> 01:00:50,980
Dennis said, "I'll be
getting out in a few days.

1035
01:00:51,022 --> 01:00:52,607
I'll meet up with you.

1036
01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:54,942
I'll instruct you
about the whole story--

1037
01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:57,945
who are the villains,
who are the good people."

1038
01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:01,949
All that was a setup.

1039
01:01:04,035 --> 01:01:06,579
Timothy had given me
his address book

1040
01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:10,500
with every name
you could imagine

1041
01:01:10,541 --> 01:01:13,544
and said, "Talk to
these people and free me."

1042
01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:18,466
It was an amazing puzzle.

1043
01:01:20,593 --> 01:01:22,261
This is Folsom prison.

1044
01:01:22,303 --> 01:01:25,431
It holds at
the present time 1,800 men.

1045
01:01:25,473 --> 01:01:27,558
One of them is Timothy Leary.

1046
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,603
He was brought here
after four months
in solitary confinement

1047
01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:33,940
at California Men's Colony
in San Luis Obispo.

1048
01:01:33,981 --> 01:01:36,651
I am Joanna Leary,
and I'd like to see him

1049
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:38,486
out of here
as quick as possible.

1050
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:41,989
I wrote him every day,

1051
01:01:42,031 --> 01:01:43,825
and he wrote me every day.

1052
01:01:46,411 --> 01:01:49,330
I coated stamps in acid.

1053
01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:51,374
He knew

1054
01:01:51,416 --> 01:01:53,084
what was on the stamp.

1055
01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:58,256
And then I put these tiny,
little acid

1056
01:01:58,297 --> 01:02:00,007
in my belly button.

1057
01:02:00,049 --> 01:02:02,927
You see, I have an innie,

1058
01:02:02,969 --> 01:02:06,180
and I never knew how
useful it would become.

1059
01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,934
We were allowed to embrace

1060
01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:13,521
in the beginning
and at the end of the visit.

1061
01:02:16,691 --> 01:02:18,943
And I had taken mine

1062
01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:21,446
about ten minutes before.

1063
01:02:21,487 --> 01:02:22,822
When we were kissing,

1064
01:02:22,864 --> 01:02:26,284
I put my hand
up towards his mouth

1065
01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:28,286
and then I put it in.

1066
01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:31,414
We were both... tripping

1067
01:02:31,456 --> 01:02:33,499
at Folsom prison.

1068
01:02:33,541 --> 01:02:35,918
It was orgasmic.

1069
01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,220
My mother
came to Folsom prison

1070
01:02:46,262 --> 01:02:49,432
in her Chanel coat.

1071
01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:53,060
She's got her Nancy Reagan
super-coiffed hair.

1072
01:02:53,102 --> 01:02:54,979
She's got her high heels.

1073
01:02:57,482 --> 01:02:59,734
And her very red nails.

1074
01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,319
She was fine.

1075
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,571
I mean, they frisked her.

1076
01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:04,947
They took her ID.

1077
01:03:04,989 --> 01:03:09,076
And we went down
to the visiting room.

1078
01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:12,288
They greeted each other
like they were

1079
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:14,832
the oldest of friends.

1080
01:03:14,874 --> 01:03:18,044
Timothy got down on his knees

1081
01:03:18,085 --> 01:03:20,004
in Folsom Prison,

1082
01:03:20,046 --> 01:03:24,175
and he asked my mother
for my hand.

1083
01:03:24,217 --> 01:03:27,720
She told him how crazy
she thought I was.

1084
01:03:27,762 --> 01:03:29,472
I thought that
there's my mother,

1085
01:03:29,514 --> 01:03:31,891
jealous of my lovers again.

1086
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:37,688
Timothy looked
quite like my father,

1087
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:41,818
Lieutenant Commander
Cecil Harcourt-Smith.

1088
01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:45,363
My mother was just

1089
01:03:45,404 --> 01:03:48,157
gaga about him.

1090
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,368
Were you
jealous of your mother?

1091
01:03:50,409 --> 01:03:53,371
At that moment,
was I jealous of my mother?

1092
01:03:54,413 --> 01:03:55,873
Wow.

1093
01:03:55,915 --> 01:03:59,210
I probably was, terribly!

1094
01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:01,212
I was going to ask you
the generic question,

1095
01:04:01,254 --> 01:04:04,048
What did you learn about sex
from your mother?

1096
01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:06,884
She said that
I had to be very careful

1097
01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:09,178
because when you have sex,

1098
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:11,848
you could get syphilis.

1099
01:04:11,889 --> 01:04:16,227
Oh, she didn't tell me
I could get pregnant!

1100
01:04:16,269 --> 01:04:18,229
I take it
you didn't get syphilis,

1101
01:04:18,271 --> 01:04:19,564
but you did get pregnant.

1102
01:04:19,605 --> 01:04:20,898
Yeah.

1103
01:04:22,108 --> 01:04:23,526
A lot.

1104
01:04:24,652 --> 01:04:27,905
I had to go to her and say,

1105
01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:29,907
"I don't understand.

1106
01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,076
My tummy's getting bigger.

1107
01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:34,245
I'm feeling sick.

1108
01:04:34,287 --> 01:04:36,205
I don't know what's happening."

1109
01:04:36,247 --> 01:04:38,791
She took me to a doctor
and they took blood,

1110
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,919
and it turned out
I was pregnant.

1111
01:04:41,961 --> 01:04:45,047
I was 15. There was
absolutely no question

1112
01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:47,008
that I was going
to have that child,

1113
01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:50,177
I mean, none whatsoever.

1114
01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:53,097
And then they took me in,
and they took my baby.

1115
01:04:57,310 --> 01:05:00,104
I think I was never
the same again.

1116
01:05:02,315 --> 01:05:04,525
So after that...

1117
01:05:07,945 --> 01:05:10,948
I was in full seduction mode.

1118
01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:15,786
I had to have eight men
at a time to be content.

1119
01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:18,456
Now, I wasn't having sex
with eight men,

1120
01:05:18,497 --> 01:05:23,127
but I had to have eight
major admirers.

1121
01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:25,963
At night in my bed,
I would count them.

1122
01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:29,425
Made me feel warm,
made me feel safe.

1123
01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:31,135
Made me feel wanted.

1124
01:05:32,845 --> 01:05:34,472
This is Helen Koblin,

1125
01:05:34,513 --> 01:05:37,016
and with me is
Joanna Harcourt-Smith,

1126
01:05:37,058 --> 01:05:40,311
Timothy Leary's woman.
She's trying to help Timothy.

1127
01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:43,856
He's sitting in the
solitary confinement cell

1128
01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:46,192
just sending out
energy and love

1129
01:05:46,233 --> 01:05:49,362
to whoever wants
to receive it.

1130
01:06:39,078 --> 01:06:42,331
I had a studio

1131
01:06:42,373 --> 01:06:44,583
under Coit Tower

1132
01:06:44,625 --> 01:06:47,003
in San Francisco.

1133
01:06:47,044 --> 01:06:49,213
Francis Ford Coppola

1134
01:06:49,255 --> 01:06:51,257
gave me an office

1135
01:06:51,298 --> 01:06:54,135
above the Little Fox Theater,

1136
01:06:54,176 --> 01:06:57,930
the Starseed Information Center.

1137
01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:02,768
We'd hatch these crazy projects

1138
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:05,521
to get Timothy out of prison.

1139
01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,401
We'll get a helicopter.

1140
01:07:10,443 --> 01:07:14,238
I will be naked

1141
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,365
with black gloves.

1142
01:07:16,407 --> 01:07:18,325
We'll have this huge

1143
01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:21,579
speakers blasting out

1144
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:23,664
The Dark Side of the Moon.

1145
01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,417
It would make the guards

1146
01:07:26,459 --> 01:07:27,918
completely numb.

1147
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,838
And so we'd pick Timothy
out of the yard,

1148
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,549
take him into the helicopter.

1149
01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:36,510
We'd go to the mountains nearby.

1150
01:07:36,552 --> 01:07:38,929
There would be a whole militia

1151
01:07:38,971 --> 01:07:41,265
that would surround us.

1152
01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:46,103
Also, the Starseed
Information Center

1153
01:07:46,145 --> 01:07:48,439
is from where I published

1154
01:07:48,481 --> 01:07:50,649
five of Timothy's books.

1155
01:07:54,570 --> 01:07:59,575
We felt that as long
as he could write books,

1156
01:07:59,617 --> 01:08:02,161
his mind would
not be imprisoned.

1157
01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:07,166
He would send them to me
in letter form.

1158
01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:08,709
"My darling wife,

1159
01:08:08,751 --> 01:08:10,586
I miss you more
than life itself.

1160
01:08:10,628 --> 01:08:14,965
The seven circuits
of the human brain are,

1161
01:08:15,007 --> 01:08:17,301
one, blah, blah, blah. Two."

1162
01:08:22,306 --> 01:08:23,891
When I was broke,

1163
01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:27,770
I would stand on
Telegraph Avenue

1164
01:08:27,812 --> 01:08:29,605
and I'd sell my books.

1165
01:08:31,315 --> 01:08:33,818
Morning has broken

1166
01:08:33,859 --> 01:08:38,656
Like the first morning...

1167
01:08:38,697 --> 01:08:43,536
One day somebody
introduced me to this man

1168
01:08:43,577 --> 01:08:45,704
we called Franklin,

1169
01:08:45,746 --> 01:08:49,834
because he always had a lot
of hundred-dollar bills.

1170
01:08:49,875 --> 01:08:54,004
He made this acid that
in those days was called

1171
01:08:54,046 --> 01:08:56,006
Clear Light.

1172
01:08:56,048 --> 01:08:58,592
He would give me these vials,

1173
01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:00,094
and I'd go around town,

1174
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:02,680
and I'd give acid to everybody.

1175
01:09:02,721 --> 01:09:04,557
Like, I'd go to the bank,

1176
01:09:04,598 --> 01:09:06,433
and I would give them some acid.

1177
01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:08,144
And I kid you not,

1178
01:09:08,185 --> 01:09:10,479
they were not at the bank
the following week.

1179
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:17,194
One day, Franklin asked me if
I'd take an acid trip with him.

1180
01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:21,115
And then he took me out to this

1181
01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:23,534
house on the beach.

1182
01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:25,536
All that was
in the living room

1183
01:09:25,578 --> 01:09:28,205
was a king-sized bed...

1184
01:09:29,415 --> 01:09:33,961
with a huge American flag on it.

1185
01:09:34,003 --> 01:09:37,214
When the time came
to take the acid...

1186
01:09:38,424 --> 01:09:42,011
I put it on my tongue.

1187
01:09:42,052 --> 01:09:45,181
He did the same thing,
put it on my tongue.

1188
01:09:45,222 --> 01:09:46,932
He licked my tongue,

1189
01:09:46,974 --> 01:09:48,392
I licked his tongue.

1190
01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:53,772
I lay down on
that American flag.

1191
01:09:53,814 --> 01:09:56,233
I was very, very,
very freaked out.

1192
01:09:58,068 --> 01:10:00,029
Franklin was meditating.

1193
01:10:00,070 --> 01:10:04,325
He wasn't really
into having sex,

1194
01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:06,577
which surprised me a lot.

1195
01:10:06,619 --> 01:10:09,788
But then I went out
on the beach.

1196
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:11,916
There was this bell...

1197
01:10:13,417 --> 01:10:16,128
...going back and forth,

1198
01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:19,131
and a voice came on.

1199
01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:22,009
It was the voice of my mother.

1200
01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:25,429
She was telling me something
that was really important.

1201
01:10:25,471 --> 01:10:27,473
She was saying,

1202
01:10:27,514 --> 01:10:31,518
"You're playing, you're acting,
you're exaggerating."

1203
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,938
In that moment
I realized she was right,

1204
01:10:33,979 --> 01:10:36,357
that I was playing a role

1205
01:10:36,398 --> 01:10:38,525
'cause I was afraid.

1206
01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:42,780
After the trip,

1207
01:10:42,821 --> 01:10:44,615
I said to Franklin,

1208
01:10:44,657 --> 01:10:47,368
"Is there anything
that you need?"

1209
01:10:47,409 --> 01:10:50,704
"Well, I really need
seven pounds

1210
01:10:50,746 --> 01:10:52,289
of ergotamine

1211
01:10:52,331 --> 01:10:55,793
for my next LSD batch."

1212
01:10:55,834 --> 01:10:59,964
My diabolical mind went
into action immediately--

1213
01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:02,132
"Dr. Schwitzhund

1214
01:11:02,174 --> 01:11:05,261
definitely has ergotamine."

1215
01:11:05,302 --> 01:11:06,762
How did you know this?

1216
01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:10,266
Well, I didn't know this.
I was lying.

1217
01:11:10,307 --> 01:11:12,476
I was lying!

1218
01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:15,187
He said, "Well,
how much would it cost?"

1219
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:17,523
"$10,000 a pound."

1220
01:11:17,564 --> 01:11:20,526
He said,
"Fine, get it for me."

1221
01:11:20,567 --> 01:11:24,655
Dennis,
the sorcerer's apprentice,

1222
01:11:24,697 --> 01:11:28,617
told me that
the dope dealer trick is

1223
01:11:28,659 --> 01:11:31,036
to get two adjoining rooms,

1224
01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:34,832
and then you get a room
three floors up.

1225
01:11:34,873 --> 01:11:38,544
You give them the key,

1226
01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:40,921
and then you tell them
to go upstairs

1227
01:11:40,963 --> 01:11:42,840
and get the merchandise.

1228
01:11:42,881 --> 01:11:44,633
They'll come back to the room,

1229
01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:47,177
but you're already
in the adjoining room.

1230
01:11:49,555 --> 01:11:52,016
I loved Franklin,

1231
01:11:52,057 --> 01:11:57,688
but I desperately needed
the money to free Timothy.

1232
01:11:57,730 --> 01:12:01,275
I got a beautiful
little Halliburton suitcase.

1233
01:12:01,317 --> 01:12:04,445
Timothy had given me
this exquisite

1234
01:12:04,486 --> 01:12:08,198
gold tantric ring.

1235
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,868
I put all those things
in the suitcase.

1236
01:12:12,953 --> 01:12:15,873
One fine day,

1237
01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:19,293
I made an appointment with him
at this hotel on the wharf.

1238
01:12:21,754 --> 01:12:24,548
In the elevator I said to him,

1239
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:27,760
"Shall we just go
to that room and make love?"

1240
01:12:27,801 --> 01:12:30,721
Was this
just to trick him or--

1241
01:12:30,763 --> 01:12:35,225
No! It was the opposite
of tricking him.

1242
01:12:35,267 --> 01:12:38,395
If we'd made love, I probably
wouldn't have tricked him.

1243
01:12:38,437 --> 01:12:41,398
And who was waiting
in the room next door?

1244
01:12:42,691 --> 01:12:44,360
Dennis.

1245
01:12:45,903 --> 01:12:47,821
Machiavellian Dennis.

1246
01:12:50,074 --> 01:12:55,037
And you would
have made love to Franklin
with Dennis listening?

1247
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:57,915
Franklin was more important
to me than Dennis.

1248
01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:03,087
So we went to the room,

1249
01:13:03,128 --> 01:13:06,090
and he gave me
this little accordion folder

1250
01:13:06,131 --> 01:13:08,217
with $10,000

1251
01:13:08,258 --> 01:13:10,594
in each space.

1252
01:13:10,636 --> 01:13:12,012
And then after a while,

1253
01:13:12,054 --> 01:13:13,555
my lookout told me

1254
01:13:13,597 --> 01:13:16,600
that he had left the building.

1255
01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:20,062
It was late at night by then.

1256
01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:22,439
And I had somebody drive me

1257
01:13:22,481 --> 01:13:24,441
to Mill Valley

1258
01:13:24,483 --> 01:13:26,110
to this lawyer,

1259
01:13:26,151 --> 01:13:28,278
and I knocked like crazy.

1260
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,031
When he opened up,
he was in his robe and...

1261
01:13:33,367 --> 01:13:35,786
I sat at the kitchen table
with him.

1262
01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:41,917
And I threw the money
on the table.

1263
01:13:43,252 --> 01:13:45,337
"Can you get him out now?"

1264
01:13:46,964 --> 01:13:49,550
And he said to me, "No,

1265
01:13:49,591 --> 01:13:52,636
it's not a question of money.

1266
01:13:52,678 --> 01:13:54,972
He's a political prisoner."

1267
01:13:57,182 --> 01:13:59,476
Most of the men
that I model myself after

1268
01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:02,312
have been lucky
if they got away with, uh,

1269
01:14:02,354 --> 01:14:04,481
just being in prison

1270
01:14:04,523 --> 01:14:06,984
for their ideas.

1271
01:15:00,704 --> 01:15:03,665
Dennis is
insinuating himself more

1272
01:15:03,707 --> 01:15:05,417
and more
into all of this, no?

1273
01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:09,546
I have pain about it, but...

1274
01:15:09,588 --> 01:15:12,382
may that be present
with us as well.

1275
01:15:12,424 --> 01:15:14,718
I was taking a lot of cocaine.

1276
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,553
Dennis was providing it.

1277
01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:19,223
I was smoking
a lot of cannabis.

1278
01:15:19,264 --> 01:15:21,892
I was drinking
a lot of alcohol.

1279
01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:23,560
On some days I would just

1280
01:15:23,602 --> 01:15:26,230
lie in my--
in my studio,

1281
01:15:26,271 --> 01:15:29,024
watch the Watergate hearings,

1282
01:15:29,066 --> 01:15:32,945
and hope that
something might change.

1283
01:15:32,986 --> 01:15:35,030
But as the case progressed,
it became obvious

1284
01:15:35,072 --> 01:15:36,532
that there were higher-ups,

1285
01:15:36,573 --> 01:15:38,742
men who ordered
the bugging operations

1286
01:15:38,784 --> 01:15:40,327
and who paid for it.

1287
01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:41,828
And now it takes a scorecard

1288
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:44,206
to keep track
of those connected with it

1289
01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:47,042
in one way or another.

1290
01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:49,211
Timothy always said that

1291
01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:51,129
his imprisonment

1292
01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:54,049
would be harder for me
than for him.

1293
01:15:54,091 --> 01:15:58,011
Needless for me to say
to you that, um,

1294
01:15:58,053 --> 01:15:59,888
I was very sensual.

1295
01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:02,140
I was 27 years old.

1296
01:16:03,267 --> 01:16:06,061
I had shared with Timothy

1297
01:16:06,103 --> 01:16:09,106
that I was going to have sex.

1298
01:16:09,147 --> 01:16:12,859
It was the time of free love,

1299
01:16:12,901 --> 01:16:15,821
and he was the bishop
of free love.

1300
01:16:17,823 --> 01:16:20,826
I imagined myself
as Scheherazade.

1301
01:16:22,619 --> 01:16:25,080
I wouldn't tell him
who it was,

1302
01:16:25,122 --> 01:16:26,790
but I'd describe

1303
01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:30,711
how I'd made love
with another person.

1304
01:16:30,752 --> 01:16:32,921
One time it might be a woman,

1305
01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:35,173
one time it was a hermaphrodite.

1306
01:16:36,842 --> 01:16:39,886
Dennis was one of the people
I had sex with.

1307
01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:44,933
After a while,
he said to me that

1308
01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:48,770
he was working as an informant
for the government.

1309
01:16:48,812 --> 01:16:51,648
Timothy should get out that way

1310
01:16:51,690 --> 01:16:55,902
because he won't get out
any other way.

1311
01:16:55,944 --> 01:16:59,823
I passed on that information
to him a couple of times.

1312
01:16:59,865 --> 01:17:02,242
I had no idea
of the implications.

1313
01:17:02,284 --> 01:17:03,744
Really?

1314
01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:06,288
None!

1315
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:10,167
You have to understand
how incredibly naive I was.

1316
01:17:11,752 --> 01:17:14,463
I always wondered why

1317
01:17:14,504 --> 01:17:18,925
one Thursday I went
to see him at Vacaville

1318
01:17:18,967 --> 01:17:20,844
and he said,

1319
01:17:20,886 --> 01:17:24,681
"Send a telegram to the FBI

1320
01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:27,643
and tell them
I'm ready to cooperate."

1321
01:17:27,684 --> 01:17:29,645
People have accused me

1322
01:17:29,686 --> 01:17:32,356
of being the one
who made him do it.

1323
01:17:33,732 --> 01:17:36,276
That's impossible.

1324
01:17:36,318 --> 01:17:39,321
That's the story
of The Blue Angel,

1325
01:17:39,363 --> 01:17:41,823
the sexy singer

1326
01:17:41,865 --> 01:17:45,452
who perverts the professor.

1327
01:17:45,494 --> 01:17:47,079
No!

1328
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,040
That's ridiculous!

1329
01:17:52,626 --> 01:17:54,503
I was like
Alice in Wonderland.

1330
01:17:54,544 --> 01:17:57,839
I didn't have
any point of reference.

1331
01:17:58,965 --> 01:18:01,301
I didn't realize

1332
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,929
how alien I was.

1333
01:18:05,931 --> 01:18:08,225
To Allen Ginsberg,

1334
01:18:08,266 --> 01:18:10,769
I was not fit

1335
01:18:10,811 --> 01:18:13,230
to be the next acid queen.

1336
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,528
By then I was living
in Mill Valley.

1337
01:18:22,364 --> 01:18:25,158
I sent this telegram

1338
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,494
to the FBI:

1339
01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:31,081
"Timothy ready
to cooperate with government."

1340
01:18:31,123 --> 01:18:33,917
Couple of days after that,

1341
01:18:33,959 --> 01:18:37,337
FBI agents came from Chicago

1342
01:18:37,379 --> 01:18:41,508
because that's where they were
searching for the Weathermen.

1343
01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:46,722
And they knew
that Timothy was connected
to the Weathermen.

1344
01:18:46,763 --> 01:18:50,267
They had helped him
escape from prison.

1345
01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:53,437
They brought me in.

1346
01:18:53,478 --> 01:18:55,647
He asked me if I'd be willing

1347
01:18:55,689 --> 01:18:59,901
to work for his release.

1348
01:18:59,943 --> 01:19:04,573
There was no limits
to my stand-by-your-man.

1349
01:19:04,614 --> 01:19:07,868
No limits.

1350
01:19:07,909 --> 01:19:10,912
By then we had been
talking of having a baby.

1351
01:19:10,954 --> 01:19:13,540
We had named the baby.

1352
01:19:13,582 --> 01:19:14,958
What was the name?

1353
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,251
It was going to be a girl,

1354
01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:18,795
and her name was going
to be Chrysalis.

1355
01:19:20,422 --> 01:19:23,258
No abbreviation to Chrys.

1356
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:24,885
Chrysalis.

1357
01:19:24,926 --> 01:19:26,762
You have to know that after

1358
01:19:26,803 --> 01:19:29,055
visiting your man in prison

1359
01:19:29,097 --> 01:19:32,434
and seeing how
all appeals were refused.

1360
01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:35,395
Lawyers didn't know
how to get him out.

1361
01:19:38,023 --> 01:19:41,318
I would do anything,
anything at all.

1362
01:19:42,819 --> 01:19:44,738
The DEA had me

1363
01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:48,116
completely at their mercy.

1364
01:19:48,158 --> 01:19:51,495
They used me as Mata Hari.

1365
01:19:51,536 --> 01:19:53,455
They used me to go after

1366
01:19:53,497 --> 01:19:55,749
the counterculture lawyers.

1367
01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:59,503
Call being made by SR14X037
to George Chula's office.

1368
01:20:17,854 --> 01:20:19,397
So, I had dinner with him.

1369
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,651
I asked him if the next time
we got together

1370
01:20:22,692 --> 01:20:25,028
he could bring me
a gram of cocaine.

1371
01:20:26,238 --> 01:20:29,324
And when we had dinner,
I was wired.

1372
01:20:29,366 --> 01:20:32,118
They put a box on my leg,

1373
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,539
chose very sexy clothes for me,

1374
01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:39,084
and they recorded
the conversation.

1375
01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:43,547
I behaved very femme fatale,

1376
01:20:44,714 --> 01:20:47,133
extremely flirtatious,

1377
01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:48,552
seductive,

1378
01:20:48,593 --> 01:20:51,680
and dangerous.

1379
01:20:51,721 --> 01:20:54,766
You can have me,
but you can't keep me.

1380
01:21:35,307 --> 01:21:40,103
And it was kind of the same
thing as with Franklin.

1381
01:21:40,145 --> 01:21:44,441
They got two rooms
at the Disneyland Hotel.

1382
01:21:44,482 --> 01:21:46,610
In one room, they had
all their machines

1383
01:21:46,651 --> 01:21:48,528
and setups and all of that.

1384
01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:52,866
I was supposed to receive
Chula in the other room.

1385
01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,868
He said to me on the phone

1386
01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:57,913
he stopped somewhere,

1387
01:21:57,954 --> 01:22:00,290
and a lifeguard on the beach

1388
01:22:00,332 --> 01:22:03,460
said to him that
he had a walkie-talkie...

1389
01:22:04,502 --> 01:22:06,463
and there were federal agents,

1390
01:22:06,504 --> 01:22:09,090
and they were having
an incredible conversation

1391
01:22:09,132 --> 01:22:11,343
about how they
were going to bust him.

1392
01:22:13,386 --> 01:22:16,681
And this
lifeguard on the beach

1393
01:22:16,723 --> 01:22:19,809
had picked up the signal,

1394
01:22:19,851 --> 01:22:21,811
and they were overjubilant

1395
01:22:21,853 --> 01:22:25,941
that they were going to arrest
Timothy Leary's lawyer.

1396
01:22:25,982 --> 01:22:28,443
So in the end, he never came.

1397
01:22:30,236 --> 01:22:33,865
But on the night that
we were at the restaurant,

1398
01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:37,202
he had given me
a little cocaine,

1399
01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:40,538
and I turned that over
to the agents.

1400
01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:42,999
The main agent's name was

1401
01:22:43,041 --> 01:22:46,294
Donald E. Strange.

1402
01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:48,672
This is Dr. Timothy Leary.

1403
01:22:48,713 --> 01:22:49,923
How are you?

1404
01:22:49,965 --> 01:22:51,466
Hello, Don.

1405
01:22:51,508 --> 01:22:53,843
We're going to talk
a little bit about, uh,

1406
01:22:53,885 --> 01:22:57,430
Dr. Leary and the things
he's been doing, uh,

1407
01:22:57,472 --> 01:22:59,641
since 1960.

1408
01:22:59,683 --> 01:23:02,268
And just how he--

1409
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:04,938
he came to the Drug
Enforcement Administration.

1410
01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:07,691
Well, I had been away
from the United States

1411
01:23:07,732 --> 01:23:09,943
for about
two-and-a-half years.

1412
01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:12,028
And when the plane landed

1413
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:13,863
on the Los Angeles runway,

1414
01:23:13,905 --> 01:23:15,865
the first person
I met was Don Strange,

1415
01:23:15,907 --> 01:23:18,702
who welcomed me
with handcuffs.

1416
01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:20,161
I felt basically relieved

1417
01:23:20,203 --> 01:23:21,538
uh, to be back.

1418
01:23:21,579 --> 01:23:23,748
I felt that the work
I had to do

1419
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:27,168
and the process
of reconciliation

1420
01:23:27,210 --> 01:23:30,213
and of dialogue of
constructive activity

1421
01:23:30,255 --> 01:23:31,715
that had to be done

1422
01:23:31,756 --> 01:23:33,383
was going
to take place here.

1423
01:23:38,263 --> 01:23:40,098
They moved Timothy

1424
01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:44,894
to the rural prison

1425
01:23:44,936 --> 01:23:47,439
near Sacramento.

1426
01:23:49,065 --> 01:23:53,319
I wasn't allowed to go
out of my apartment,

1427
01:23:53,361 --> 01:23:56,740
except with a federal agent.

1428
01:23:56,781 --> 01:24:00,160
They said that
it was dangerous for me.

1429
01:24:01,619 --> 01:24:04,581
They decided they
should change my name.

1430
01:24:06,082 --> 01:24:07,542
So one day,

1431
01:24:07,584 --> 01:24:10,420
this big,
tall U.S. Marshal said,

1432
01:24:10,462 --> 01:24:13,048
"Now your name
from now on will be

1433
01:24:13,089 --> 01:24:16,176
Virginia Church."

1434
01:24:16,217 --> 01:24:18,178
What was Leary's name?

1435
01:24:18,219 --> 01:24:19,679
Charlie Thrush.

1436
01:24:20,972 --> 01:24:23,266
And they published in Newsweek

1437
01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:27,103
that Timothy
had became a snitch,

1438
01:24:27,145 --> 01:24:29,481
a government informant.

1439
01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:33,234
I thought--

1440
01:24:33,276 --> 01:24:37,781
I was trying to get
Timothy out of prison,

1441
01:24:37,822 --> 01:24:41,743
but they used me
to discredit him.

1442
01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:44,954
This is a press
conference that I wish

1443
01:24:44,996 --> 01:24:46,581
was not taking place.

1444
01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:49,417
It is a symptom
of the credibility crisis

1445
01:24:49,459 --> 01:24:52,253
in America
symbolized by Watergate

1446
01:24:52,295 --> 01:24:55,882
and President Ford's
pardoning of Richard Nixon.

1447
01:24:55,924 --> 01:24:58,343
There's a straight line
between Watergate

1448
01:24:58,384 --> 01:24:59,886
and Timothy Leary.

1449
01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:02,305
The very same
Justice Department

1450
01:25:02,347 --> 01:25:05,642
has both forced and persuaded

1451
01:25:05,683 --> 01:25:08,728
Timothy Leary
to lie and fabricate

1452
01:25:08,770 --> 01:25:11,898
elaborate stories
to get out of jail.

1453
01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,651
Leary's new girlfriend,
Joanna Harcourt-Smith,

1454
01:25:14,692 --> 01:25:18,321
declared that Leary
would not remain in prison.

1455
01:25:18,363 --> 01:25:20,323
Harcourt-Smith said
that Leary was willing

1456
01:25:20,365 --> 01:25:22,575
to make a deal
with the government.

1457
01:25:22,617 --> 01:25:26,454
When Timothy
was in this rural prison,

1458
01:25:26,496 --> 01:25:28,623
they moved me from the apartment

1459
01:25:28,665 --> 01:25:30,750
into the home

1460
01:25:30,792 --> 01:25:33,128
of the U.S. Marshal--

1461
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:36,840
Art Van Court
and his wife Marcia.

1462
01:25:36,881 --> 01:25:41,719
Although they're keeping me
in protective custody,

1463
01:25:41,761 --> 01:25:45,098
it felt kind of good
to have home-cooked meals

1464
01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:47,350
and be with a regular family.

1465
01:25:49,018 --> 01:25:53,773
One day, I went to see
Timothy at the small jail,

1466
01:25:53,815 --> 01:25:57,777
and as we were embracing,
he whispered,

1467
01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:59,154
"G-U-N."

1468
01:25:59,195 --> 01:26:02,073
Because what if
they read his lips?

1469
01:26:04,075 --> 01:26:06,327
I said to Dennis,

1470
01:26:06,369 --> 01:26:09,205
"Where can I find a gun?"

1471
01:26:09,247 --> 01:26:11,708
He took me to this garage...

1472
01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:14,961
just like in the movies.

1473
01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:19,007
Greasy man with his jumpsuit.

1474
01:26:19,048 --> 01:26:21,801
I thought I had
to play the game,

1475
01:26:21,843 --> 01:26:24,554
and I sat on his lap.

1476
01:26:24,596 --> 01:26:27,307
I gave him $100,

1477
01:26:27,348 --> 01:26:29,601
and he gave me a little gun.

1478
01:26:30,768 --> 01:26:32,395
I couldn't take it anymore--

1479
01:26:32,437 --> 01:26:34,063
the snitching

1480
01:26:34,105 --> 01:26:35,899
and the setting people up.

1481
01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:39,068
I was ready to kill everybody.

1482
01:26:40,528 --> 01:26:44,991
In the beginning,
when Timothy escaped,

1483
01:26:45,033 --> 01:26:49,120
the Weathermen took him
to a safe house

1484
01:26:49,162 --> 01:26:51,080
in Oregon.

1485
01:26:51,122 --> 01:26:54,959
The FBI wanted
Timothy to show them

1486
01:26:55,001 --> 01:26:58,254
where the safe house was.

1487
01:26:58,296 --> 01:27:01,174
And we had to drive
through San Francisco,

1488
01:27:01,216 --> 01:27:02,884
I don't know why.

1489
01:27:03,843 --> 01:27:06,262
And all of a sudden,

1490
01:27:06,304 --> 01:27:09,724
this huge .357 Magnum

1491
01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:12,936
comes floating under the seat,

1492
01:27:12,977 --> 01:27:15,730
right to Timothy's foot.

1493
01:27:15,772 --> 01:27:18,608
And I thought,
"This is meant to be."

1494
01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:20,401
Now we have two guns,

1495
01:27:20,443 --> 01:27:22,028
and we're going to be free.

1496
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:28,993
And he was reading
the San Francisco Chronicle.

1497
01:27:32,997 --> 01:27:34,540
And he wrapped the gun up,

1498
01:27:34,582 --> 01:27:37,710
and he handed it
back over to the agent.

1499
01:27:37,752 --> 01:27:39,587
Somehow I realized that

1500
01:27:39,629 --> 01:27:41,881
this was just a dream,

1501
01:27:41,923 --> 01:27:44,133
a crazy, maniac,

1502
01:27:44,175 --> 01:27:46,135
insane dream.

1503
01:27:49,180 --> 01:27:52,976
So we proceeded
through the forests of Oregon.

1504
01:27:53,017 --> 01:27:54,769
We got out of the car

1505
01:27:54,811 --> 01:27:56,187
and Timothy said to me,

1506
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:59,399
"Do you realize
that if we kill them,

1507
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:03,111
we'll have to kill
everybody we meet

1508
01:28:03,152 --> 01:28:04,988
until they kill us."

1509
01:28:05,029 --> 01:28:07,699
And at that moment,
I lifted my head

1510
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:11,286
and the FBI agent
was right in front of us.

1511
01:28:11,327 --> 01:28:13,997
And he said,

1512
01:28:14,038 --> 01:28:16,666
"Do you mind if I shoot you?"

1513
01:28:22,505 --> 01:28:25,341
Did you ever find
the Weathermen house?

1514
01:28:27,719 --> 01:28:29,554
I don't remember.

1515
01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:34,017
At some point,

1516
01:28:34,058 --> 01:28:35,685
Dennis became so annoying

1517
01:28:35,727 --> 01:28:40,481
about the fact that
I should be only with him,

1518
01:28:40,523 --> 01:28:42,942
he wrote a letter

1519
01:28:42,984 --> 01:28:45,236
to the U.S. Marshal saying

1520
01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:48,906
that I'd been
having sex with him.

1521
01:28:48,948 --> 01:28:51,951
My love for Timothy
was untrue.

1522
01:28:51,993 --> 01:28:54,537
It was like
my world collapsed.

1523
01:28:56,289 --> 01:28:58,416
I went back to Marbella,

1524
01:28:58,458 --> 01:29:01,461
to my mother's house,

1525
01:29:01,502 --> 01:29:04,255
and one day Dennis
showed up at the door.

1526
01:29:08,343 --> 01:29:10,887
He asked my mother
if he could marry me.

1527
01:29:12,513 --> 01:29:16,934
My mother said,
"Who do you think you are?

1528
01:29:16,976 --> 01:29:19,354
The son of a hairdresser?

1529
01:29:19,395 --> 01:29:22,231
Never in the world!"

1530
01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:29,906
A couple of days later,

1531
01:29:29,947 --> 01:29:33,576
I was going to a fabulous party.

1532
01:29:33,618 --> 01:29:37,288
Adnan Khashoggi
gave me a couple of Quaaludes.

1533
01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:39,999
From then on,

1534
01:29:40,041 --> 01:29:43,878
I'm not quite sure
what I did.

1535
01:29:45,338 --> 01:29:49,592
But the next morning,
I called my mother.

1536
01:29:49,634 --> 01:29:52,095
She said, "Dennis is dead."

1537
01:29:55,264 --> 01:29:56,682
I felt he was killed.

1538
01:29:56,724 --> 01:29:59,519
You know, don't ask me
for any proof.

1539
01:30:00,686 --> 01:30:03,147
I went to his room.

1540
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:05,233
There were pills,

1541
01:30:05,274 --> 01:30:08,069
but they were half full.

1542
01:30:08,111 --> 01:30:11,614
And that really set off
a bug in my ear.

1543
01:30:13,282 --> 01:30:15,159
Then there was his diary.

1544
01:30:16,911 --> 01:30:19,122
The last words were,

1545
01:30:26,254 --> 01:30:29,549
Please don't let on

1546
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:31,801
That you knew me when

1547
01:30:31,843 --> 01:30:33,761
I was hungry

1548
01:30:33,803 --> 01:30:36,848
And it was your world

1549
01:30:38,099 --> 01:30:40,393
Ah, you fake

1550
01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:42,979
Just like a woman

1551
01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:45,064
Yes, you do

1552
01:30:45,106 --> 01:30:46,482
You make love

1553
01:30:46,524 --> 01:30:49,402
Just like a woman

1554
01:30:49,444 --> 01:30:51,112
Yes, you do

1555
01:30:51,154 --> 01:30:56,159
Then you ache
just like a woman

1556
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:01,998
But you break just
like a little girl

1557
01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,499
One day,

1558
01:31:03,541 --> 01:31:07,336
after a little over
three and a half years,

1559
01:31:07,378 --> 01:31:09,338
he got out of prison.

1560
01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:12,008
Neurology lives!

1561
01:31:12,049 --> 01:31:13,885
How you feel, Tim?

1562
01:31:13,926 --> 01:31:15,344
-I feel beautiful.
-Great.

1563
01:31:15,386 --> 01:31:18,139
I want to thank Joanna
and Mr. Milano

1564
01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:21,684
and all my friends
who helped me get out.

1565
01:31:21,726 --> 01:31:23,853
And to those who didn't help,

1566
01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:25,521
I want to be reassuring,

1567
01:31:25,563 --> 01:31:27,356
it's all going
to work out all right.

1568
01:31:27,398 --> 01:31:28,691
And in particular,

1569
01:31:28,733 --> 01:31:30,818
I want to send
a message of support

1570
01:31:30,860 --> 01:31:34,113
to Andrei Sakharov, who's doing
the same thing in Russia.

1571
01:31:38,409 --> 01:31:40,203
Have a good time!

1572
01:31:41,537 --> 01:31:43,706
- Bless you, Tim.

1573
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:49,504
I had reserved a room
at the Valencia Hotel

1574
01:31:49,545 --> 01:31:52,548
in La Jolla.

1575
01:31:52,590 --> 01:31:55,843
We went to the restaurant
in the hotel,

1576
01:31:55,885 --> 01:31:59,472
and I think he must
have ordered everything
that was on the menu.

1577
01:32:01,224 --> 01:32:02,975
He was a very elegant man,

1578
01:32:03,017 --> 01:32:06,479
but I'll tell you, that night,
he was eating like a pig.

1579
01:32:06,521 --> 01:32:10,900
It was a joy to see him
taste real life again.

1580
01:32:10,942 --> 01:32:12,568
We went to bed,

1581
01:32:12,610 --> 01:32:15,071
and in the morning,
there was a big...

1582
01:32:15,112 --> 01:32:17,865
-...loud knock on the door.

1583
01:32:17,907 --> 01:32:21,410
It was the U.S. Marshals again.

1584
01:32:21,452 --> 01:32:24,914
"We need to put you in
the Witness Protection Program

1585
01:32:24,956 --> 01:32:26,624
because otherwise

1586
01:32:26,666 --> 01:32:29,335
you're going to end up
on a slab."

1587
01:32:31,504 --> 01:32:36,759
They said to Timothy,
"We're going to relocate you
in Salt Lake City."

1588
01:32:36,801 --> 01:32:38,427
And he didn't miss a beat:

1589
01:32:38,469 --> 01:32:41,138
"Do you think you could change
that for Santa Fe?"

1590
01:32:41,180 --> 01:32:43,432
And they started making calls.

1591
01:32:43,474 --> 01:32:45,810
Santa Fe it was.

1592
01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:52,525
We were in an "A"-frame cabin
out in the wilderness.

1593
01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:57,780
No electricity, no gas.

1594
01:32:57,822 --> 01:32:59,782
That was very unfamiliar to me.

1595
01:32:59,824 --> 01:33:03,286
I mean, to this day
I've never camped.

1596
01:33:03,327 --> 01:33:05,246
I'm a Parisian.

1597
01:33:06,998 --> 01:33:10,293
All I knew was,
lie in the forest naked

1598
01:33:10,334 --> 01:33:12,962
and get brown under the sun.

1599
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:20,636
I'm fond of saying that
I became a better Timothy Leary

1600
01:33:20,678 --> 01:33:23,431
than Timothy Leary himself.

1601
01:33:23,472 --> 01:33:26,767
I had traveled to colleges...

1602
01:33:28,561 --> 01:33:29,979
given lectures,

1603
01:33:30,021 --> 01:33:32,648
shown the Folsom film,

1604
01:33:32,690 --> 01:33:35,818
pleaded for his release.

1605
01:33:35,860 --> 01:33:40,031
I wonder if there was
room for two Timothy Learys.

1606
01:33:40,072 --> 01:33:42,533
One night,

1607
01:33:42,575 --> 01:33:44,493
we had a terrible fight.

1608
01:33:51,375 --> 01:33:54,128
And in the morning
he was gone.

1609
01:33:57,340 --> 01:34:00,676
To this day,
I don't understand it.

1610
01:34:03,054 --> 01:34:05,264
We never got back together.

1611
01:34:09,477 --> 01:34:11,270
I thought

1612
01:34:11,312 --> 01:34:14,106
he would protect me

1613
01:34:14,148 --> 01:34:16,192
for the rest of my life.

1614
01:34:19,153 --> 01:34:21,238
I thought I was safe.

1615
01:34:24,492 --> 01:34:27,036
And I don't know
why he went away.

1616
01:34:47,181 --> 01:34:49,225
Every year that goes by,

1617
01:34:49,266 --> 01:34:51,519
I love my mother more.

1618
01:34:52,978 --> 01:34:57,566
My mother smoked these
Winstons endlessly.

1619
01:34:59,276 --> 01:35:01,654
She had a big tumor

1620
01:35:01,696 --> 01:35:04,156
between her lungs.

1621
01:35:04,198 --> 01:35:06,242
It was inoperable.

1622
01:35:07,243 --> 01:35:10,287
I made her go
to Mercy Hospital.

1623
01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:17,169
And she said, "This is
a very, very bad hotel.

1624
01:35:17,211 --> 01:35:19,255
I want you to pack
the suitcases,

1625
01:35:19,296 --> 01:35:21,298
and we're leaving.

1626
01:35:25,094 --> 01:35:28,055
This is the worst hotel
I've been in.

1627
01:35:28,097 --> 01:35:30,266
And open everything."

1628
01:35:31,392 --> 01:35:33,436
I opened the windows,

1629
01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:35,771
I opened the door.

1630
01:35:36,814 --> 01:35:38,524
I was holding her hand.

1631
01:35:39,608 --> 01:35:42,278
And it was clear
to me the moment

1632
01:35:42,319 --> 01:35:44,947
she stopped breathing.

1633
01:35:46,323 --> 01:35:49,452
She took a breath,
but there was no exhale.

1634
01:35:51,746 --> 01:35:54,415
And then this one tear

1635
01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:56,792
came rolling down her cheek.

1636
01:35:58,210 --> 01:36:00,463
One question
I have to ask you

1637
01:36:00,504 --> 01:36:03,966
which I'm sure everyone
is asking you themselves,

1638
01:36:04,008 --> 01:36:06,051
and that is, Why?

1639
01:36:06,093 --> 01:36:07,386
Why are you doing this?

1640
01:36:07,428 --> 01:36:09,972
Why are you
working with DEA,

1641
01:36:10,014 --> 01:36:13,476
the government,
at this point?

1642
01:36:13,517 --> 01:36:15,311
I can understand
that there might be

1643
01:36:15,352 --> 01:36:17,730
some skepticism
that I'm simply here

1644
01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:19,648
talking to you because

1645
01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:21,650
I'm under prison sentence.

1646
01:36:21,692 --> 01:36:24,737
I want to reassure everyone
that I'm not brainwashed.

1647
01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:28,157
No promises
have been made to me

1648
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:30,075
by any law enforcement agency.

1649
01:36:30,117 --> 01:36:33,162
The future is much
too important

1650
01:36:33,204 --> 01:36:35,581
to be ruled by the past.

1651
01:36:37,041 --> 01:36:38,834
The war is over,
and I'm glad,

1652
01:36:38,876 --> 01:36:41,796
and I'm ready for
a long period of, uh,

1653
01:36:41,837 --> 01:36:43,672
harmonious peace.

1654
01:36:48,928 --> 01:36:50,346
I have nothing else.

1655
01:36:50,387 --> 01:36:53,724
That was a--
that was a good ending.

1656
01:36:53,766 --> 01:36:56,185
Two years ago,

1657
01:36:56,227 --> 01:36:59,313
I received an email

1658
01:36:59,355 --> 01:37:01,315
from somebody who said,

1659
01:37:01,357 --> 01:37:03,025
"My mother died,

1660
01:37:03,067 --> 01:37:05,820
and I have a bunch of boxes

1661
01:37:05,861 --> 01:37:07,488
that belonged to you.

1662
01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:09,698
Would you like me
to send them to you?"

1663
01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:17,373
He wrote me these
divine letters in prison,

1664
01:37:17,414 --> 01:37:19,542
and I had lost them.

1665
01:37:19,583 --> 01:37:24,129
And I felt really,
really ashamed.

1666
01:37:24,171 --> 01:37:25,714
I was rather broke,

1667
01:37:25,756 --> 01:37:27,967
but not broken at the time.

1668
01:37:30,386 --> 01:37:33,138
And sure enough,
the 130 letters

1669
01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:35,307
that he had written
to me were there

1670
01:37:35,349 --> 01:37:38,060
in that yellow folder
I put them in.

1671
01:37:38,102 --> 01:37:42,523
And there were
four reel-to-reel tapes

1672
01:37:42,565 --> 01:37:46,652
that a psychologist in Vacaville

1673
01:37:46,694 --> 01:37:48,696
had brought these tapes to me

1674
01:37:48,737 --> 01:37:52,741
and said, "Timothy wants you
to have these and keep them."

1675
01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:59,498
And at the time I was so busy
with the real Timothy,

1676
01:37:59,540 --> 01:38:02,585
I didn't listen to the tapes.

1677
01:38:02,626 --> 01:38:05,004
So I spent all last winter

1678
01:38:05,045 --> 01:38:07,923
listening to ten hours.

1679
01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:12,553
He was very brilliant,
you see.

1680
01:38:13,721 --> 01:38:16,181
He actually got himself

1681
01:38:16,223 --> 01:38:18,142
moved to Vacaville.

1682
01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:23,439
He seduced

1683
01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:27,276
two psychologists there,
a man and a woman.

1684
01:38:27,318 --> 01:38:29,194
At a certain point...

1685
01:38:30,613 --> 01:38:32,448
he says,

1686
01:38:32,489 --> 01:38:35,326
"Well, what are they going
to do with me?"

1687
01:38:38,162 --> 01:38:40,956
Wesley Hiler says,

1688
01:38:40,998 --> 01:38:43,542
"We're going to drug
you more and more,

1689
01:38:43,584 --> 01:38:46,795
put you in a special section
in San Quentin...

1690
01:38:49,089 --> 01:38:51,175
where we keep people

1691
01:38:51,216 --> 01:38:52,676
who've lost their mind."

1692
01:38:52,718 --> 01:38:57,056
And I firmly believe
that the next Thursday,

1693
01:38:57,097 --> 01:39:01,268
he said, "Call the FBI,
tell them I'm ready."

1694
01:39:01,310 --> 01:39:05,272
What a life would it be for him
to live without his mind?

1695
01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:09,401
So after 40 years,

1696
01:39:09,443 --> 01:39:12,154
for me the mystery is solved.

1697
01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:35,844
My ego was pulverized

1698
01:39:35,886 --> 01:39:38,722
by this adventure.

1699
01:39:42,309 --> 01:39:44,645
I was insane, I knew it.

1700
01:39:46,981 --> 01:39:50,150
But I wasn't going to let
anybody lock me up.

1701
01:39:54,071 --> 01:39:56,490
And I was smart enough

1702
01:39:56,532 --> 01:39:58,659
to go down to the Caribbean,

1703
01:39:58,701 --> 01:40:00,703
buy a sailboat,

1704
01:40:00,744 --> 01:40:03,288
and sail for a long time.

1705
01:40:05,749 --> 01:40:08,419
The ocean rebuilt me.

1706
01:40:11,005 --> 01:40:14,717
There was something
bigger than me.