1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:35,785 --> 00:00:37,078 [theme music plays] 4 00:00:43,376 --> 00:00:46,254 [Joanna Harcourt-Smith] The sound I'm going to play now 5 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:50,258 is Timothy Leary's voice... 6 00:00:50,300 --> 00:00:52,510 in 1974 7 00:00:52,552 --> 00:00:57,474 when he was incarcerated at Vacaville Prison. 8 00:00:58,516 --> 00:01:01,728 He did a series of interviews 9 00:01:01,770 --> 00:01:05,315 with one of the psychologists at the prison. 10 00:01:06,357 --> 00:01:07,400 [psychologist] 11 00:01:07,442 --> 00:01:09,110 [laughs] 12 00:01:09,152 --> 00:01:11,780 [Joanna] I'm just going to play the very first words 13 00:01:11,821 --> 00:01:14,616 he gave this psychologist. 14 00:01:14,657 --> 00:01:16,785 [Timothy Leary] 15 00:01:18,495 --> 00:01:19,954 [psychologist] 16 00:01:19,996 --> 00:01:21,498 [Leary] 17 00:01:21,539 --> 00:01:22,665 [psychologist] 18 00:01:22,707 --> 00:01:24,375 [Leary] 19 00:01:27,087 --> 00:01:29,172 -[psychologist] -[Leary] 20 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,474 [reporter] Dr. Timothy Leary, 21 00:01:39,516 --> 00:01:43,436 once a clinical psychologist and Harvard professor, 22 00:01:43,478 --> 00:01:44,646 now, by his own description, 23 00:01:44,687 --> 00:01:46,397 a visionary prophet. 24 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:49,234 Others have called him the man most responsible 25 00:01:49,275 --> 00:01:51,903 for the North American crisis over LSD. 26 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:54,239 We're teaching people how to use their head. 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,491 The, uh, point is... 28 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:58,493 that in order to use your head, 29 00:01:58,535 --> 00:02:00,954 you have to go out of your mind. 30 00:02:00,995 --> 00:02:03,832 He... was 31 00:02:03,873 --> 00:02:05,875 put in prison 32 00:02:05,917 --> 00:02:08,837 as an ideological trafficker 33 00:02:08,878 --> 00:02:10,797 that had to be stopped. 34 00:02:10,839 --> 00:02:12,966 After he escaped from prison 35 00:02:13,007 --> 00:02:15,552 and spent three years in Europe, 36 00:02:15,593 --> 00:02:20,223 we were both trapped and captured in Afghanistan. 37 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:25,854 My biggest question: 38 00:02:26,896 --> 00:02:29,524 Was I being manipulated? 39 00:02:29,566 --> 00:02:32,527 And if I was manipulated, 40 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:35,029 how far back did it go? 41 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:43,163 Whatever forces 42 00:02:43,204 --> 00:02:46,124 had been following Timothy 43 00:02:46,166 --> 00:02:47,876 since way back. 44 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:51,880 All of the counterculture said 45 00:02:51,921 --> 00:02:57,010 that I was a CIA sex provocateur, 46 00:02:57,051 --> 00:02:59,387 a Mata Hari, 47 00:02:59,429 --> 00:03:01,806 that I had been sent 48 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:05,059 to lead Timothy to Afghanistan 49 00:03:05,101 --> 00:03:07,896 and get him arrested. 50 00:03:07,937 --> 00:03:10,064 [Allen Ginsberg] Twenty. 51 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:12,609 Is Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 52 00:03:12,650 --> 00:03:16,112 his one contact/spokesagent, 53 00:03:16,154 --> 00:03:17,906 a sex spy? 54 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:21,201 An agent provocateuse, 55 00:03:21,242 --> 00:03:22,744 a double agent, 56 00:03:22,785 --> 00:03:24,871 a CIA hysteric, 57 00:03:24,913 --> 00:03:27,373 a jealous tigress, or what? 58 00:03:27,415 --> 00:03:29,292 [woman] All of the above. 59 00:03:29,334 --> 00:03:31,586 [Errol Morris] So you're a CIA plant? 60 00:03:31,628 --> 00:03:34,088 I still wonder to this day. 61 00:03:38,176 --> 00:03:40,887 It's in watching Wormwood... 62 00:03:42,555 --> 00:03:44,265 where I said to myself, 63 00:03:44,307 --> 00:03:47,393 "Maybe I was a CIA plant." 64 00:03:47,435 --> 00:03:50,605 And maybe I'd been manipulated 65 00:03:50,647 --> 00:03:54,108 to... lead Timothy Leary 66 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:56,527 back into being captured. 67 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:02,617 [man] Uh, this is Joanna Harcourt. 68 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:04,619 First I'd like to show you these two papers 69 00:04:04,661 --> 00:04:06,871 that, uh, Timothy Leary gave me 70 00:04:06,913 --> 00:04:08,873 two minutes before we got off the plane 71 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:10,875 in Los Angeles yesterday evening. 72 00:04:15,171 --> 00:04:16,798 I'll read them to you. 73 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,176 "January 18th, 1973, 74 00:04:20,218 --> 00:04:21,678 To Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 75 00:04:21,719 --> 00:04:23,763 I lovingly give all the rights 76 00:04:23,805 --> 00:04:27,600 to transmit the story of our perfect love in Spain, 77 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:30,270 Switzerland, Austria, USA, 78 00:04:30,311 --> 00:04:33,982 Lebanon, Afghanistan, Germany, et cetera. Timothy Leary." 79 00:04:34,023 --> 00:04:35,858 If you'd like to see them. 80 00:04:39,821 --> 00:04:42,824 [Joanna] I loved him. 81 00:04:42,865 --> 00:04:46,286 I had known him for six weeks. 82 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:48,621 We had traveled like 83 00:04:48,663 --> 00:04:51,916 shooting stars across Europe, 84 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:54,210 taking acid every day... 85 00:04:56,379 --> 00:04:59,507 plunging into the maddest, 86 00:04:59,549 --> 00:05:02,885 romantic relationship you could ever imagine. 87 00:05:06,055 --> 00:05:08,683 I knew nothing about him. 88 00:05:09,976 --> 00:05:13,021 I had not read any of his books. 89 00:05:14,981 --> 00:05:18,359 I had heard the Moody Blues song. 90 00:05:18,401 --> 00:05:21,362 I remember exactly 91 00:05:21,404 --> 00:05:22,864 where I heard that song. 92 00:05:22,905 --> 00:05:25,491 Seven months pregnant 93 00:05:25,533 --> 00:05:28,536 in a bathtub in Trenton, New Jersey, 94 00:05:28,578 --> 00:05:32,498 which for me was like stranger than Peru, 95 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:35,251 with my tummy protruding out of the water 96 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:36,836 and hearing... 97 00:05:36,878 --> 00:05:39,130 [singing] Timothy Leary's dead 98 00:05:39,172 --> 00:05:41,174 No, no, no, no 99 00:05:41,215 --> 00:05:43,968 He's outside, looking in 100 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:46,262 ["Legend of a Mind" by the Moody Blues playing] 101 00:05:48,514 --> 00:05:51,517 Timothy Leary's dead 102 00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:56,689 [Joanna] And I got this strange destiny feeling. 103 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:59,359 It's happened to me many times in my life. 104 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:00,818 This is a turning point. 105 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:04,322 He'll fly his astral plane 106 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:08,242 Takes you trips around the bay 107 00:06:08,284 --> 00:06:10,828 Timothy Leary 108 00:06:11,954 --> 00:06:14,415 Timothy Leary 109 00:06:14,457 --> 00:06:17,251 [Joanna] LSD was calling me. 110 00:06:17,293 --> 00:06:18,920 Definitely. 111 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:24,592 [Walter Cronkite] The Supreme Court today overturned 112 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:26,594 the narcotics conviction of Dr. Timothy Leary, 113 00:06:26,636 --> 00:06:29,055 and in the process dealt a crippling blow 114 00:06:29,097 --> 00:06:30,973 to federal marijuana laws. 115 00:06:31,015 --> 00:06:33,226 [Leary] I don't think that I'm ever going to spend 116 00:06:33,267 --> 00:06:35,561 more than one day in jail-- that's my limit. 117 00:06:35,603 --> 00:06:37,438 You see, it would be suicidal 118 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,482 for the United States government to put me in jail. 119 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:42,026 Every time they arrest me, they bring more interest 120 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:44,153 and sympathy for what we're doing. 121 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:47,490 'Cause we're not criminals, we're not dope addicts. 122 00:06:47,532 --> 00:06:50,410 We're sincere people trying to do our best for our society 123 00:06:50,451 --> 00:06:51,911 and for our own souls. 124 00:06:59,001 --> 00:07:01,838 [Joanna] I had a very painful childhood. 125 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:05,883 Much of it was about 126 00:07:05,925 --> 00:07:09,345 being Jews in Europe. 127 00:07:10,513 --> 00:07:14,475 My mother went through two world wars. 128 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:20,231 She went through two world wars as a Jew. 129 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:24,944 She carried the trauma 130 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:28,656 of having escaped Poland. 131 00:07:28,698 --> 00:07:34,120 She carried the trauma of 77 of her relatives 132 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:35,455 being killed. 133 00:07:35,496 --> 00:07:40,001 Except for sometimes being funny... 134 00:07:41,502 --> 00:07:43,713 my mother was... 135 00:07:46,215 --> 00:07:47,842 well, 136 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:50,928 she treated me like 137 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:52,555 she was Hitler 138 00:07:52,597 --> 00:07:54,307 and I was the Jew. 139 00:07:56,392 --> 00:07:59,187 That didn't make for a very happy childhood. 140 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:06,986 I think I was about 11 when I found out we were Jewish. 141 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:09,822 And so, I immediately ran to my mother 142 00:08:09,864 --> 00:08:11,324 and I said to her, 143 00:08:11,365 --> 00:08:13,618 "This is wonderful, we're Jewish! 144 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:17,205 We're the most intelligent people in the world!" 145 00:08:17,246 --> 00:08:19,874 And she slapped me across the face. 146 00:08:22,251 --> 00:08:25,630 She said, "Never, never, never say that." 147 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:29,550 Being a Catholic was the salvation. 148 00:08:29,592 --> 00:08:32,553 It would save her child, her children, 149 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:35,139 and, uh, it would save her. 150 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:41,562 So back to LSD calling me. 151 00:08:41,604 --> 00:08:44,732 There was something that could provoke 152 00:08:44,774 --> 00:08:47,276 an enormous change in me. 153 00:08:48,819 --> 00:08:52,114 And perhaps I could find out 154 00:08:52,156 --> 00:08:55,076 what it was to feel planted. 155 00:08:55,117 --> 00:08:57,745 [rain falling] 156 00:08:57,787 --> 00:08:59,830 Something is being born, 157 00:08:59,872 --> 00:09:02,583 and I wanted to be part of it. 158 00:09:02,625 --> 00:09:04,168 [cheering] 159 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:06,045 For those of you who, uh, 160 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:08,047 missed the last thrilling installment 161 00:09:08,089 --> 00:09:09,882 in this Keystone Kops drama, 162 00:09:09,924 --> 00:09:12,552 yesterday afternoon Rosemary and I came here 163 00:09:12,593 --> 00:09:16,097 to talk to the press about, uh, our views 164 00:09:16,138 --> 00:09:18,266 and to, uh, answer any questions. 165 00:09:18,307 --> 00:09:20,101 And, as you probably know, uh, 166 00:09:20,142 --> 00:09:21,602 I was arrested 167 00:09:21,644 --> 00:09:24,105 and then immediately released at the, um, 168 00:09:24,146 --> 00:09:25,314 at the jail. 169 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:30,611 [Cronkite] Dr. Timothy Leary, the former Harvard instructor 170 00:09:30,653 --> 00:09:32,947 who became an exponent of LSD, 171 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:35,491 has been convicted of illegally transporting marijuana 172 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:38,744 and faces a possible 20-year prison sentence. 173 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:47,962 [Joanna] At that time, this character I had been 174 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:50,590 lovers with... 175 00:09:50,631 --> 00:09:53,175 when I was 18 years old... 176 00:09:54,927 --> 00:09:57,138 a man called Michel Hauchard... 177 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:01,142 came to visit me. 178 00:10:01,183 --> 00:10:03,436 He was an arms dealer... 179 00:10:04,895 --> 00:10:07,523 a James Bond villain. 180 00:10:07,565 --> 00:10:11,193 Timothy called him Goldfinger. 181 00:10:12,903 --> 00:10:14,488 Do you expect me to talk? 182 00:10:14,530 --> 00:10:18,993 No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die. 183 00:10:19,035 --> 00:10:22,663 He was always trying to get back with me. 184 00:10:22,705 --> 00:10:24,498 He would say to me, "I have a Rolls-Royce," 185 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:26,250 and I'd say, "I don't care." 186 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:28,085 He'd say, "I have a villa in the south of France." 187 00:10:28,127 --> 00:10:29,462 I'd say, "I don't care." 188 00:10:29,503 --> 00:10:31,005 We had dinner, 189 00:10:31,047 --> 00:10:33,007 and at dinner he said to me, 190 00:10:33,049 --> 00:10:36,093 "I own Timothy Leary." 191 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:38,429 So I said, "What is Timothy Leary?" 192 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:41,932 "It's this man who's very famous in America, 193 00:10:41,974 --> 00:10:44,602 and he's escaped from prison." 194 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:47,688 That was so exciting for me! 195 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:50,358 I almost wanted to be with an outlaw. 196 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,860 [Roger Mudd] Dr. Timothy Leary, formerly of Harvard, 197 00:10:52,902 --> 00:10:55,196 now known as the High Priest of the drug cult, 198 00:10:55,237 --> 00:10:57,740 escaped during the night from the California Men's Colony 199 00:10:57,782 --> 00:10:59,533 at San Luis Obispo. 200 00:10:59,575 --> 00:11:02,036 Dr. Leary was serving a term of up to ten years 201 00:11:02,078 --> 00:11:03,996 for possession of marijuana. 202 00:11:05,748 --> 00:11:07,875 We want to tell the people of the United States 203 00:11:07,917 --> 00:11:10,336 the third world war has begun. 204 00:11:10,378 --> 00:11:12,588 Join us in the fight for freedom 205 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:14,674 because we are everywhere, 206 00:11:14,715 --> 00:11:16,884 and we're happy and we're free. 207 00:11:16,926 --> 00:11:19,053 And we want to make the world free. 208 00:11:19,095 --> 00:11:22,890 [Errol] And how did he come to "own" Timothy Leary? 209 00:11:22,932 --> 00:11:24,433 Well, this is it. 210 00:11:24,475 --> 00:11:26,894 His friend recommended 211 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:28,979 that he be Timothy 212 00:11:29,021 --> 00:11:30,940 and Rosemary's protector 213 00:11:30,981 --> 00:11:32,942 in Switzerland. 214 00:11:32,983 --> 00:11:36,404 Michel gave them a beautiful house... 215 00:11:37,446 --> 00:11:40,741 paid for a nice life. 216 00:11:40,783 --> 00:11:43,577 But after a short while he said, 217 00:11:43,619 --> 00:11:45,579 "If you write a book about your escape, 218 00:11:45,621 --> 00:11:47,665 I will sell it." 219 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:51,419 Michel said to Timothy, 220 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:52,920 "I would like you to 221 00:11:52,962 --> 00:11:55,256 sign a contract where you assign to me 222 00:11:55,297 --> 00:11:58,759 all your literary rights 223 00:11:58,801 --> 00:12:01,595 now and forever." 224 00:12:01,637 --> 00:12:03,389 Timothy had nothing to lose. 225 00:12:03,431 --> 00:12:05,933 He was an outlaw on the run. 226 00:12:05,975 --> 00:12:07,476 He signed it. 227 00:12:07,518 --> 00:12:09,895 And so that's what Michel meant 228 00:12:09,937 --> 00:12:11,480 when he sat next to me 229 00:12:11,522 --> 00:12:13,441 in that restaurant 230 00:12:13,482 --> 00:12:15,609 in Marbella and said, 231 00:12:15,651 --> 00:12:18,112 "I own Timothy Leary." 232 00:12:18,154 --> 00:12:19,447 [Errol] How rich is he? 233 00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:21,240 Who? Michel Hauchard? 234 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:22,616 [Errol] Yes. 235 00:12:22,658 --> 00:12:24,076 How can I tell? 236 00:12:24,118 --> 00:12:28,122 You can never tell how rich, rich people are. 237 00:12:28,164 --> 00:12:31,292 [news anchor] Switzerland today refused a United States request 238 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:34,837 for the extradition of LSD advocate Timothy Leary. 239 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:38,215 Leary called it a victory of love. 240 00:12:38,257 --> 00:12:39,592 [interviewer] Dr. Leary, 241 00:12:39,633 --> 00:12:41,469 you are in exile from your own country. 242 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:44,305 -You're a fugitive from justice. -Mm-hmm. 243 00:12:44,346 --> 00:12:45,473 [interviewer] How do you feel about that, 244 00:12:45,514 --> 00:12:46,724 not being able to go home? 245 00:12:46,766 --> 00:12:48,142 Well, it's ironic, um, 246 00:12:48,184 --> 00:12:49,477 my joy today... [laughs] 247 00:12:49,518 --> 00:12:51,270 comes because, uh, 248 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:53,314 I'm not going to go back to the United States. 249 00:12:53,355 --> 00:12:55,566 I'm going to decline the invitation of, uh, 250 00:12:55,608 --> 00:12:58,402 Governor Reagan and President Nixon to, uh, 251 00:12:58,444 --> 00:12:59,945 come back to their prison. 252 00:12:59,987 --> 00:13:04,658 I started thinking about this Timothy Leary. 253 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:08,662 I just had this destiny thing. 254 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:17,171 I always feel when there's going to be a turn in my destiny. 255 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:20,216 It's happened to me again and again and again. 256 00:13:23,844 --> 00:13:26,180 I was living in the south of Spain 257 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:28,682 in this place called Marbella. 258 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,978 It was very groovy. 259 00:13:38,317 --> 00:13:41,028 I took off with a man 260 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:43,280 in a VW bus. 261 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:47,701 He spent a lot of time with the Rolling Stones. 262 00:13:49,203 --> 00:13:50,788 One of their songs is called 263 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:53,624 "Tommy the Tumbling Dice." 264 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:57,878 It's about my friend Tommy. 265 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,465 We went to see Keith Richards 266 00:14:01,507 --> 00:14:04,218 in Villars, in Switzerland. 267 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:09,348 Keith Richards had this lover, 268 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:11,976 Anita Pallenberg, 269 00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:15,896 who was quite a sizzling number, 270 00:14:15,938 --> 00:14:18,357 I would say. [laughs] 271 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:20,359 She almost singlehandedly 272 00:14:20,401 --> 00:14:23,946 invented the Rolling Stones. 273 00:14:23,988 --> 00:14:27,241 She said, "There's this man, Timothy Leary, 274 00:14:27,283 --> 00:14:30,077 and his wife is gone, 275 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,330 and you have to meet him." 276 00:14:35,666 --> 00:14:38,627 At that time I was very busy. 277 00:14:38,669 --> 00:14:41,005 What Tommy and I were doing is 278 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:45,843 we were trying to convince Keith, 279 00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:47,595 "Go to America 280 00:14:47,636 --> 00:14:50,514 and do a series 281 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:52,600 of concerts 282 00:14:52,641 --> 00:14:55,853 to promote McGovern. 283 00:14:57,646 --> 00:15:00,441 We didn't want Nixon to win the election. 284 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:03,235 And Keith said... 285 00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:05,779 Sure. 286 00:15:05,821 --> 00:15:09,116 [Joanna] Tommy and I flew to Washington, D.C. 287 00:15:10,826 --> 00:15:12,745 We went to the McGovern 288 00:15:12,786 --> 00:15:14,788 headquarters and we told them, 289 00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:17,458 "Hey, the Rolling Stones are willing to do 290 00:15:17,499 --> 00:15:20,961 three weeks or a month of concerts for you." 291 00:15:22,671 --> 00:15:26,008 And there was such a sense of defeatism. 292 00:15:27,343 --> 00:15:29,261 They were so down, 293 00:15:29,303 --> 00:15:31,931 they felt so bad that they couldn't accept. 294 00:15:33,223 --> 00:15:34,850 So, 295 00:15:35,893 --> 00:15:37,937 next adventure? 296 00:15:37,978 --> 00:15:39,605 [laughs] 297 00:15:41,273 --> 00:15:44,652 We went to New York. 298 00:15:44,693 --> 00:15:46,946 We were staying with this friend of mine, 299 00:15:46,987 --> 00:15:49,156 Diane von Furstenberg. 300 00:15:50,824 --> 00:15:53,160 Those are the kind of people I grew up with. 301 00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:56,664 -The phone rang. -[phone rings] 302 00:15:56,705 --> 00:15:58,332 She handed me the phone, 303 00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:00,334 and I was just lying there 304 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:02,002 on her mink blanket. 305 00:16:02,044 --> 00:16:04,505 It was Michel. Michel knew Diane. 306 00:16:04,546 --> 00:16:07,508 I made an appointment to go and have drinks with him 307 00:16:07,549 --> 00:16:10,177 at the St. Regis. 308 00:16:10,219 --> 00:16:13,013 He pulled out a check 309 00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:16,308 for $250,000. 310 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:18,185 That's a lot of money. 311 00:16:18,227 --> 00:16:21,689 He says, "That's what Bantam Books gave me 312 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:26,110 for the manuscript that Timothy has just written 313 00:16:26,151 --> 00:16:27,861 about his escape 314 00:16:27,903 --> 00:16:31,198 and his life on the run," 315 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,827 the book that became Confessions of a Hope Fiend. 316 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:39,498 He was emulating Aleister Crowley. 317 00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:46,046 Well, I thought, "Oh, my goodness, 318 00:16:46,088 --> 00:16:48,424 this guy's really interesting." 319 00:16:54,138 --> 00:16:56,056 [Leary] 320 00:17:00,352 --> 00:17:02,896 -[woman] -[Leary] 321 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,413 [psychologist] 322 00:17:23,292 --> 00:17:24,585 [Leary] 323 00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:25,753 [laughter] 324 00:17:25,794 --> 00:17:28,172 [music plays] 325 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:45,105 [Joanna] Tommy and I flew to Geneva, 326 00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:47,566 went into Lausanne, 327 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:50,110 -went up to Michel's house. -[doorbell rings] 328 00:17:50,152 --> 00:17:53,238 The Moroccan butler opened the door. 329 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,994 We gave him a good English hashish spliff. 330 00:17:59,036 --> 00:18:01,163 I went into Michel's office 331 00:18:01,205 --> 00:18:04,374 and I opened his address book, 332 00:18:04,416 --> 00:18:06,794 and I found about five phone numbers 333 00:18:06,835 --> 00:18:09,254 for Timothy. 334 00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:13,258 [Errol] Isn't Tommy jealous of your interest in Leary? 335 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:16,095 Well, he thought he'd be included. 336 00:18:16,136 --> 00:18:18,138 I mean, he didn't think that 337 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:22,476 Timothy and I were going to be each other's destiny. 338 00:18:24,686 --> 00:18:26,730 Then I went to 339 00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,566 the Palace Hotel in Lausanne. 340 00:18:29,608 --> 00:18:30,984 I didn't have any money. 341 00:18:31,026 --> 00:18:34,988 I never have any money, but things happen. 342 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:37,574 And they knew me because I learned to walk there. 343 00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:40,702 We got this beautiful suite. 344 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:42,913 I started calling Timothy. 345 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:44,331 [phone rings] 346 00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:46,083 [Timothy] Hello? 347 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:49,920 [Joanna] I told him I saw Michel Hauchard in New York 348 00:18:49,962 --> 00:18:53,132 and he has a big check of yours. 349 00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:56,844 He invited us to come to Lucerne 350 00:18:56,885 --> 00:18:58,303 and meet him. 351 00:18:58,345 --> 00:19:00,264 We got a bunch of balloons 352 00:19:00,305 --> 00:19:02,808 which we put in the back of the car 353 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:05,185 and we drove to Lucerne. 354 00:19:06,645 --> 00:19:08,230 [Errol] Multicolored balloons? 355 00:19:08,272 --> 00:19:10,524 [Joanna] Multicolored balloons, of course. 356 00:19:12,526 --> 00:19:16,864 I think I must have looked at him from the feet to the top. 357 00:19:16,905 --> 00:19:18,866 And I swear it looked like 358 00:19:18,907 --> 00:19:21,326 he was dancing, 359 00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:22,786 not walking. 360 00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:26,331 I immediately thought, "Oh, my goodness, 361 00:19:26,373 --> 00:19:29,209 this man is incredibly attractive. 362 00:19:30,669 --> 00:19:34,798 He invited us to go to his chalet. 363 00:19:36,133 --> 00:19:39,386 He said, "Will you come with me?" 364 00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:43,682 He had this canary yellow Porsche. 365 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:47,936 I thought, "Well, this is getting better and better. 366 00:19:47,978 --> 00:19:50,314 [laughs] This man is hip!" 367 00:19:52,649 --> 00:19:54,401 Maybe hip enough for me. 368 00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:58,363 And we went to his chalet. 369 00:19:58,405 --> 00:20:01,366 And he had three or four people there. 370 00:20:02,576 --> 00:20:04,369 He said, 371 00:20:04,411 --> 00:20:07,039 "Does anybody want to take LSD?" 372 00:20:10,417 --> 00:20:14,463 I had two Clear Light acid... 373 00:20:15,881 --> 00:20:17,299 and I said, "Well, yes, 374 00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:20,093 but I just have enough for you and me." 375 00:20:20,135 --> 00:20:22,429 He said to me, 376 00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:24,640 "You've come to free me." 377 00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:30,771 I thought, 378 00:20:30,812 --> 00:20:33,440 "Okay." 379 00:20:33,482 --> 00:20:36,443 I was a little intimidated, but not too much. 380 00:20:36,485 --> 00:20:38,862 And we went to this restaurant. 381 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:41,949 I was still tripping. 382 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:45,118 Everything was going whoosh, whoosh. 383 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,287 For the people who know, uh, 384 00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:50,791 there can be great liquidity 385 00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:52,626 when you've taken acid. 386 00:20:52,668 --> 00:20:54,962 He ordered eggs and bacon. 387 00:20:55,003 --> 00:20:58,131 To me, the eggs were like eyes, 388 00:20:58,173 --> 00:21:00,926 but he was very comfortable 389 00:21:00,968 --> 00:21:02,678 with having a good breakfast. 390 00:21:02,719 --> 00:21:06,431 He brought his tarot cards with him. 391 00:21:06,473 --> 00:21:08,976 He explained to me that he was 392 00:21:09,017 --> 00:21:11,478 a reincarnation 393 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,188 of Aleister Crowley... 394 00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:17,609 and that this was Crowley's deck. 395 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:24,157 And the first card was the Wheel of Fortune, 396 00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:27,995 and he said to me, "That's what you are to me. 397 00:21:28,036 --> 00:21:29,830 Watch the wheel turn 398 00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,874 and destiny turn. 399 00:21:32,916 --> 00:21:37,004 It's going to have an enormous influence on my life." 400 00:21:37,045 --> 00:21:40,340 And then he pulled the second card 401 00:21:40,382 --> 00:21:42,050 and it was Prudence. 402 00:21:43,844 --> 00:21:45,512 And I thought, 403 00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:48,015 "No, no, I'll pass on that." 404 00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:49,683 And then, 405 00:21:49,725 --> 00:21:52,644 he pulled out... 406 00:21:52,686 --> 00:21:55,188 the Tower, 407 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:58,525 which is an absolute explosion. 408 00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:02,362 It is a card designed 409 00:22:02,404 --> 00:22:04,531 to tell you 410 00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:07,743 that many times in life 411 00:22:07,784 --> 00:22:10,162 when something major passes, 412 00:22:10,203 --> 00:22:13,999 it feels like everything you knew 413 00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:15,667 is being destroyed 414 00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:17,919 to be renewed. 415 00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:22,549 That's what the Tower represents. 416 00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:25,844 Absolute chaos... 417 00:22:27,095 --> 00:22:29,264 and transformation. 418 00:22:33,977 --> 00:22:36,646 And at that moment he said to me, 419 00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:39,399 "You've come to free me, 420 00:22:39,441 --> 00:22:42,527 and I'm returning to America." 421 00:22:42,569 --> 00:22:45,947 I didn't really understand what he meant... 422 00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:50,660 but I knew we were bonded. 423 00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:54,289 Truly bonded. 424 00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:02,005 [Errol] Is there where Dennis Martino enters? 425 00:23:03,423 --> 00:23:06,093 [Joanna] Dennis Martino was at the chalet. 426 00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:10,263 The sorcerer's apprentice. 427 00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:15,769 A dope dealer with the Brotherhood of Eternal Love. 428 00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:17,979 A group of 429 00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:21,733 Laguna Beach surfers... 430 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:26,071 who dealt hashish 431 00:23:26,113 --> 00:23:28,073 between Afghanistan 432 00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:30,784 and the United States. 433 00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:32,744 Dennis knew Timothy 434 00:23:32,786 --> 00:23:35,330 because Dennis's twin brother 435 00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:37,165 made a baby 436 00:23:37,207 --> 00:23:39,626 with Timothy's daughter. 437 00:23:41,962 --> 00:23:43,463 [Errol] Is there any suggestion-- 438 00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,298 I know that this became an issue later-- 439 00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:46,716 maybe I'm jumping ahead-- 440 00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:49,719 that Dennis might be working against Timothy? 441 00:23:49,761 --> 00:23:51,096 If you want, Errol, 442 00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:54,099 we can, uh, at some point get into 443 00:23:54,141 --> 00:23:56,101 "strange stuff." 444 00:23:56,143 --> 00:23:58,645 One of the reasons I... 445 00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,981 came to get you 446 00:24:01,022 --> 00:24:04,651 was because of these strangenesses. 447 00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:07,070 People are here, then they show up here. 448 00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:12,492 You asked earlier, Why would you be manipulated? 449 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:16,872 Well, because I think this is a huge part 450 00:24:16,913 --> 00:24:19,332 of the manipulation 451 00:24:19,374 --> 00:24:22,043 by government that has led us 452 00:24:22,085 --> 00:24:24,254 to where we are today... 453 00:24:25,714 --> 00:24:28,884 the Timothy Leary story. 454 00:24:28,925 --> 00:24:31,344 [news anchor] President Nixon asked Congress today 455 00:24:31,386 --> 00:24:34,347 for new laws to deal with drugs and narcotics. 456 00:24:34,389 --> 00:24:36,141 The new laws the President wants 457 00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:38,143 would replace parts of the Marijuana Act 458 00:24:38,185 --> 00:24:40,854 struck down by the Supreme Court last year. 459 00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:43,273 Other legislation would give a task force 460 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,984 of federal agents broad new powers to break in 461 00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,528 and make arrests without warning. 462 00:24:53,158 --> 00:24:55,368 [Nixon aide] 463 00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:12,594 [Nixon aide] 464 00:25:16,223 --> 00:25:17,891 [Nixon aide] 465 00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:21,603 [all] 466 00:25:24,773 --> 00:25:26,066 [laughter] 467 00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:27,526 After breakfast, 468 00:25:27,567 --> 00:25:29,903 we go back to his house. 469 00:25:29,945 --> 00:25:33,406 Tommy explains to him 470 00:25:33,448 --> 00:25:38,286 that the way we're going to get him out of Switzerland, 471 00:25:38,328 --> 00:25:40,997 we're going to buy a sailboat 472 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,667 in Amsterdam. 473 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:46,836 We're going to make that sailboat 474 00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:49,214 a radio station. 475 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,426 We're going to start broadcasting 476 00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:56,930 revolutionary messages, 477 00:25:56,972 --> 00:26:00,225 peace and love messages. 478 00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:03,395 We're going to sail over to Jamaica 479 00:26:03,436 --> 00:26:08,108 where the Rolling Stones are recording their latest album. 480 00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:11,945 We left Timothy and went back to the Palace Hotel. 481 00:26:11,987 --> 00:26:13,780 They said that if I didn't pay the bill, 482 00:26:13,822 --> 00:26:16,199 I was going to be arrested in the morning. 483 00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:19,786 I thought, "That's amazing! [laughs] 484 00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:23,623 I'm going to experience what Timothy experienced." 485 00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:29,004 The Swiss prisons were very civilized. 486 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:33,258 I asked them to bring me some magazines. 487 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,678 I asked them to bring me some café au lait. 488 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,597 They were very obliging. 489 00:26:38,638 --> 00:26:41,099 It was sort of easy for me to say, 490 00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:45,186 "Come on, release me, somebody's going to pay this bill. 491 00:26:45,228 --> 00:26:47,272 Goldfinger paid the bill. 492 00:26:47,314 --> 00:26:49,983 In gold bullion. 493 00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:53,320 [Joanna] Went back to where Timothy lived... 494 00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:57,365 ran into his arms saying, 495 00:26:57,407 --> 00:26:59,576 "I just went to prison!" 496 00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:00,952 [laughs] 497 00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,497 I was so naive, it was incredible. 498 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:07,751 We decided that we would give 499 00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:09,919 Tommy a thousand dollars 500 00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:11,838 to go look for a boat. 501 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,090 [Errol] A thousand dollars to get rid of him? 502 00:27:14,132 --> 00:27:16,009 Yeah, right. [laughs] 503 00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:20,764 [Errol] When did you first realize 504 00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:23,016 that you could control men? 505 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,686 Oof. 506 00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:29,189 The first time a man 507 00:27:29,230 --> 00:27:32,859 kissed my neck when I was maybe... 508 00:27:32,901 --> 00:27:35,278 eleven, 12 years old. 509 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,907 I had this surge of power. 510 00:27:38,948 --> 00:27:41,660 There's definitely something 511 00:27:41,701 --> 00:27:44,496 I can control in this life. 512 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:50,960 Leary was emanating. 513 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:53,713 Sexy. Power. Charm. 514 00:27:55,215 --> 00:27:58,843 We went off on the road in the yellow Porsche, 515 00:27:58,885 --> 00:28:00,929 in the sparkling night 516 00:28:00,970 --> 00:28:04,516 with beautiful Swiss snow falling 517 00:28:04,557 --> 00:28:06,309 and LSD. 518 00:28:06,351 --> 00:28:09,145 I was with him in this bubble, 519 00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:12,732 in this amazing yellow spaceship. 520 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,861 I was beginning to feel 521 00:28:16,903 --> 00:28:19,906 some sense that I had arrived. 522 00:28:22,117 --> 00:28:26,079 I was a bit surprised because we'd been together for a week... 523 00:28:27,038 --> 00:28:28,748 and we didn't have sex. 524 00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:30,667 In those days, I felt that 525 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:34,337 if I was with a man and I didn't have sex with him 526 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,423 pretty quickly, 527 00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:38,425 we weren't really bonded. 528 00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,095 But we got to the Palace Hotel... 529 00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:47,559 and we went to our room, 530 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,602 and then he said to me, 531 00:28:49,644 --> 00:28:51,855 "Sit on the bed." 532 00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:55,275 He had... necklaces 533 00:28:55,316 --> 00:28:58,611 and bracelets 534 00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:01,698 and sort of Indian jewelry. 535 00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,950 I instinctively got naked. 536 00:29:03,992 --> 00:29:06,786 He started putting the jewelry 537 00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:08,246 all over me. 538 00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:11,624 He told me that I was the Goddess Lakshmi. 539 00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:18,298 Then he took out a Life magazine. 540 00:29:18,339 --> 00:29:21,134 In that issue of Life magazine 541 00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:24,387 were the first images 542 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:26,639 of inside the brain. 543 00:29:29,976 --> 00:29:31,311 And he said to me, 544 00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:34,939 "That's where I'm going to be 545 00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:37,275 making love to you." 546 00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:41,362 And indeed, 547 00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:43,490 it was quite a loving... 548 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:46,409 session. 549 00:29:52,707 --> 00:29:54,876 [psychologist] 550 00:30:03,426 --> 00:30:05,678 [Leary] 551 00:30:27,408 --> 00:30:29,494 [psychologist] 552 00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:31,204 [Leary] 553 00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,835 [Joanna] So, anyway, 554 00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:39,879 we left Gstaad, and we were going to go to 555 00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:43,383 St. Moritz where I was born. 556 00:30:43,424 --> 00:30:45,218 My mother was there 557 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:48,054 in January 1946, 558 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,558 mainly to play bridge. 559 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,519 Suddenly she started having pains. 560 00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,896 Apparently the village doctor told her 561 00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:58,857 she had appendicitis 562 00:30:58,898 --> 00:31:02,402 and gave her lots of painkillers 563 00:31:02,443 --> 00:31:03,903 and, as she said, 564 00:31:03,945 --> 00:31:08,074 "After about 40 hours of bothering me, 565 00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:09,951 you came out." 566 00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:12,370 And I weighed a kilo 50. 567 00:31:12,412 --> 00:31:15,790 Not much bigger than a Nathan's hotdog. 568 00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:20,003 So he took me to the very beginning. 569 00:31:21,796 --> 00:31:24,549 During all this time, 570 00:31:24,591 --> 00:31:26,092 Timothy-- 571 00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:29,429 you have to remember he's a psychologist. 572 00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:32,891 He made me tell my whole story. 573 00:31:34,976 --> 00:31:37,270 I don't have much of a memory 574 00:31:37,312 --> 00:31:39,272 till I'm about 575 00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:42,191 four years old. 576 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:46,613 We lived in the most beautiful part of Paris 577 00:31:46,654 --> 00:31:48,615 called the Avenue Foch. 578 00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:52,285 Apparently I lied all the time. 579 00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:56,581 My nanny was very Catholic. 580 00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:58,708 Nanny decided with Mommy that 581 00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:00,960 I should swear before the Cross 582 00:32:01,002 --> 00:32:03,129 that I was never going to lie again. 583 00:32:03,171 --> 00:32:05,423 Well, wow! [laughs] 584 00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:07,926 I was wrong. 585 00:32:07,967 --> 00:32:09,844 I betrayed Jesus. 586 00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:16,184 Every summer, 587 00:32:16,225 --> 00:32:18,478 I would be taken to stay 588 00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:20,813 at this villa 589 00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:23,024 in the south of France, 590 00:32:23,066 --> 00:32:25,610 the Villa Leonina. 591 00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:27,487 My step-grandfather, 592 00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:30,365 Arpád Plesch, 593 00:32:30,406 --> 00:32:34,535 was what they called an international financier. 594 00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:37,413 He had this huge, 595 00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:39,457 white villa 596 00:32:39,499 --> 00:32:41,918 overlooking the Mediterranean. 597 00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:48,925 He had 70 servants, 598 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:51,344 twelve of which were gardeners. 599 00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:54,639 He had a head gardener. 600 00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:58,685 And it was a garden with plants from all over the world. 601 00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:00,770 And my grandfather flew in 602 00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:03,690 the most extraordinary birds. 603 00:33:03,731 --> 00:33:06,359 It was called the Exotic Garden. 604 00:33:09,404 --> 00:33:11,698 I used to take my little friend, Rhoda, 605 00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:15,201 to go and play with the head gardener. 606 00:33:15,243 --> 00:33:17,245 One day my grandfather 607 00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:20,707 took me aside and he said, 608 00:33:20,748 --> 00:33:23,543 "Rhoda told her nanny 609 00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:25,712 that the head gardener touched her." 610 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,547 He said to me, 611 00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:31,259 "But all little girls are Messalinas, 612 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,428 and they try to seduce." 613 00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:35,888 That afternoon, 614 00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:38,474 I was taken to the gendarmes. 615 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:40,685 Two gendarmes there 616 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,562 kept asking me 617 00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:45,690 if the head gardener had touched my pee-pee. 618 00:33:46,941 --> 00:33:50,570 I said, "No. No." 619 00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:52,655 It lasted for what was 620 00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:54,907 a very long time for me. 621 00:33:57,410 --> 00:33:59,245 In the end, 622 00:34:01,122 --> 00:34:03,249 I told them that he did. 623 00:34:05,084 --> 00:34:07,670 But I know that I didn't know, 624 00:34:07,712 --> 00:34:09,756 I just wanted to please them. 625 00:34:09,797 --> 00:34:13,092 So they brought him in, in handcuffs, 626 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:16,929 for what the French call "The Confrontation." 627 00:34:16,971 --> 00:34:19,766 They said repeat that in front of him. 628 00:34:19,807 --> 00:34:22,143 I said, "He touched me." 629 00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:26,230 And they took him to prison. 630 00:34:30,276 --> 00:34:32,111 My mother had 631 00:34:32,153 --> 00:34:34,405 this very handsome chauffeur. 632 00:34:34,447 --> 00:34:36,491 I don't think the chauffeur 633 00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:38,951 was automatically the lover. 634 00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:41,037 I think my mother preferred 635 00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,623 ambassadors and commodores 636 00:34:43,664 --> 00:34:45,708 and commanders. 637 00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:47,168 [laughs] 638 00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:51,631 She bragged she made love with Mussolini. 639 00:34:51,672 --> 00:34:53,800 She had hired this Spanish chauffeur. 640 00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,135 His name was Jesus. 641 00:34:56,177 --> 00:34:58,137 She would have none of that. 642 00:34:58,179 --> 00:35:00,723 She named him Ivan. 643 00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:03,810 She wasn't going to go around calling Jesus. 644 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,107 In those days, in Paris, 645 00:35:09,148 --> 00:35:12,401 it was very fashionable to have cocktail parties. 646 00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:15,613 Six o'clock, my mother was gone. 647 00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:20,827 She had decorated my bedroom like it was a farm. 648 00:35:20,868 --> 00:35:23,579 My bed was a wheelbarrow. 649 00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:27,458 My cupboard was a barn. 650 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:29,544 One night, 651 00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:32,839 when Mummy had gone out to a cocktail party, 652 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,299 the servants were up in their rooms. 653 00:35:35,341 --> 00:35:37,385 Ivan came to my room. 654 00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:40,596 He started putting his hands 655 00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:42,557 under my pajama, 656 00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,976 under the top, 657 00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:46,602 under the bottom. 658 00:35:46,644 --> 00:35:50,189 I tried to concentrate on the pigeons... 659 00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:53,693 on the window. 660 00:35:53,734 --> 00:35:57,780 They were a lot of pigeons that would come 661 00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,657 to the window. 662 00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,617 I had the feeling 663 00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:03,286 there was something that was... 664 00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:06,789 extremely, 665 00:36:06,831 --> 00:36:09,041 extremely wrong. 666 00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:17,800 And at the same time, 667 00:36:22,763 --> 00:36:25,224 I-I felt a sensation 668 00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:31,981 that was not altogether... 669 00:36:36,777 --> 00:36:38,738 disagreeable. 670 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,494 And I want to say this. 671 00:36:45,536 --> 00:36:49,957 The fact that there was a slight sensation of... 672 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:57,131 of being seen, 673 00:36:57,173 --> 00:36:59,050 of being wanted... 674 00:37:00,718 --> 00:37:02,595 um... 675 00:37:04,597 --> 00:37:06,390 it created 676 00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:11,771 enormous confusion... for me. 677 00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:13,272 The guilt. 678 00:37:14,482 --> 00:37:16,275 [Errol] Did you tell your mother? 679 00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:18,444 Oh, yeah. 680 00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:20,780 She said, um... 681 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:24,951 "Good chauffeurs are hard to find." 682 00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:30,873 Well, first she said I was lying. 683 00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,335 And then she said... 684 00:37:35,795 --> 00:37:38,881 "Good chauffeurs are hard to find." 685 00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:43,636 You have to know something because we're talking about 686 00:37:43,678 --> 00:37:48,683 what motivated me to look for Timothy Leary. 687 00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:51,602 I feel all of this is part of it. 688 00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:55,439 He was one of the foremost psychologists 689 00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:56,983 of our time. 690 00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,403 He sensed that 691 00:38:00,444 --> 00:38:03,322 psychedelics could be medicines... 692 00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:08,286 that they could cure trauma 693 00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:10,329 and PTSD. 694 00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:12,623 This trajectory of my childhood, 695 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:16,168 it led me to find him. 696 00:38:18,212 --> 00:38:20,464 [Leary] 697 00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:22,091 [psychologist] 698 00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:29,265 [Leary] 699 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,559 -[psychologist] -[Leary] 700 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,355 -[psychologist] -[Leary] 701 00:38:36,397 --> 00:38:38,941 -[Leary] -[psychologist] 702 00:38:42,903 --> 00:38:46,282 So then we went off to visit a friend of mine 703 00:38:46,324 --> 00:38:48,659 who had a beautiful chalet. 704 00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:51,537 You know the Opel cars? 705 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,000 She was the von Opel heir. 706 00:38:56,042 --> 00:38:57,710 She gave a party. 707 00:38:59,211 --> 00:39:02,214 Andy Warhol and his whole crew showed up. 708 00:39:04,383 --> 00:39:06,969 And Timothy said, 709 00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:11,390 "You and I are the two most intelligent men in America." 710 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:13,017 He turned to me and he said, 711 00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,227 "And she is the most intelligent 712 00:39:15,269 --> 00:39:17,605 woman in the world." 713 00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:22,234 Andy brought with him a whole pile 714 00:39:22,276 --> 00:39:25,738 of 45 rpm records 715 00:39:25,780 --> 00:39:27,365 from the '50s. 716 00:39:27,406 --> 00:39:28,699 ["I Will Follow You" by Rick Nelson plays] 717 00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:30,910 [Joanna] And he insisted that we dance. 718 00:39:30,951 --> 00:39:34,246 I love you, I love you, I love you 719 00:39:34,288 --> 00:39:36,916 And where you go I'll follow, I'll follow, I'll follow 720 00:39:36,957 --> 00:39:41,420 You'll always be my true love, my true love, my true love 721 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:46,258 From now until forever, forever, forever 722 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,718 I will follow you 723 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,428 [Joanna] The next day he told me, 724 00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:52,807 "We're going to drive off to Vienna, 725 00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:55,643 and I'm going to do a film 726 00:39:55,684 --> 00:40:02,191 that will say that I'm completely against drugs." 727 00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,986 He felt that the man who was the prime minister 728 00:40:06,028 --> 00:40:09,448 of Austria was going to give him asylum. 729 00:40:11,367 --> 00:40:15,788 His asylum in Switzerland was not safe anymore. 730 00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,584 [Errol] At what point did he become 731 00:40:20,626 --> 00:40:23,587 the most dangerous man in America? 732 00:40:23,629 --> 00:40:26,799 I think that was one of Nixon's slogans. 733 00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:32,638 America's public enemy number one in the United States 734 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,808 is drug abuse. 735 00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:37,977 In order to fight and defeat this enemy, 736 00:40:38,018 --> 00:40:41,063 it is necessary to wage a new, 737 00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:43,732 all-out offensive. 738 00:40:43,774 --> 00:40:46,861 [Joanna] It gets tense when you're a major outlaw. 739 00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,490 We got to Vienna, and what they wanted was 740 00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:55,661 for him to say that drugs were great. 741 00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:59,206 He wasn't very pleased to be doing that. 742 00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:06,213 Also, I have to tell you, 743 00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:08,841 that at that time 744 00:41:08,883 --> 00:41:12,470 I became completely orange, 745 00:41:12,511 --> 00:41:14,847 like a sunflower. 746 00:41:14,889 --> 00:41:20,019 He suggested we go to the university hospital, 747 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,521 and there were maybe 200 students there. 748 00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:26,317 I threw off my coat and I lifted my sleeves and I said, 749 00:41:26,358 --> 00:41:29,820 "Doctor, you have something more important to do. 750 00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:34,700 You have a patient here who has a terrible illness." 751 00:41:34,742 --> 00:41:37,786 [Errol] In the book, you said you were naked! 752 00:41:37,828 --> 00:41:40,831 Well... maybe I was. 753 00:41:40,873 --> 00:41:44,043 [laughs] 754 00:41:44,084 --> 00:41:46,545 [Errol] And how did the students react? 755 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:50,174 Oh, there was a roar. Everybody adored it. 756 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:53,886 I don't know, if Timothy wasn't in love with me until that moment, 757 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:57,389 it totally busted his heart open. 758 00:42:00,267 --> 00:42:03,896 Timothy's daughter 759 00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:06,732 had come back from India. 760 00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:10,402 She had brought water from the Ganges. 761 00:42:10,444 --> 00:42:13,739 I thought it would be very gracious on my part 762 00:42:13,781 --> 00:42:15,741 to drink that bottle of water. 763 00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:17,117 [laughs] 764 00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:19,370 "This is going to be your stepdaughter, 765 00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:22,248 and she's the same age you are, 766 00:42:22,289 --> 00:42:26,001 and she hands you a bottle of water from the Ganges. 767 00:42:27,127 --> 00:42:28,796 So I drank it up. 768 00:42:28,837 --> 00:42:31,257 I always thought that it was probably that water 769 00:42:31,298 --> 00:42:34,260 that gave me the... 770 00:42:34,301 --> 00:42:37,304 hepatitis. 771 00:42:37,346 --> 00:42:41,183 In the middle of all that, Dennis showed up 772 00:42:41,225 --> 00:42:43,102 and started saying... 773 00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:47,147 that we should go to Afghanistan. 774 00:42:48,482 --> 00:42:51,277 Timothy started explaining, 775 00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:53,946 "I know some people there 776 00:42:53,988 --> 00:42:56,448 who would give us a lot of money, 777 00:42:56,490 --> 00:43:00,035 and then you and I will go on to Ceylon, 778 00:43:00,077 --> 00:43:03,872 and we'll be poets on the beach 779 00:43:03,914 --> 00:43:06,709 and have babies." 780 00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:11,880 I thought that was the most marvelous, magical plan 781 00:43:11,922 --> 00:43:13,507 you could imagine. 782 00:43:13,549 --> 00:43:15,134 Then we found out that Dennis 783 00:43:15,175 --> 00:43:16,969 had driven the Porsche 784 00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:18,721 and totaled it. 785 00:43:22,182 --> 00:43:24,351 There was no way out 786 00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:27,563 but forward and up and in. 787 00:43:31,358 --> 00:43:33,360 We've left Vienna. 788 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:37,156 We've left what I know. 789 00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:40,451 But we're going to make a stopover 790 00:43:40,492 --> 00:43:42,661 in Beirut. 791 00:43:46,874 --> 00:43:49,126 I'm really glad we're going to Beirut 792 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:51,503 because I know the president 793 00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:54,840 'cause the president was in love with my mother. 794 00:43:54,882 --> 00:43:57,676 I knew we would be received very well. 795 00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:00,471 Also, I was a star 796 00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:03,682 on Lebanese TV 797 00:44:03,724 --> 00:44:08,062 when I was between the age of 14 and 15. 798 00:44:10,314 --> 00:44:12,858 I was watching television in Beirut, 799 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,361 and I saw they had a quiz show. 800 00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:18,864 I applied for the quiz show and I was taken. 801 00:44:18,906 --> 00:44:21,533 -[Errol] To be a contestant. -To be a contestant. 802 00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:22,993 And I loved it. 803 00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:29,375 You had to figure out who was lying. 804 00:44:29,416 --> 00:44:31,919 The man who was in charge of programs 805 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,379 came up to me and he said, 806 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:35,422 "You're really good on television." 807 00:44:35,464 --> 00:44:37,216 Then I said to him, 808 00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:39,677 "Okay, well, why don't you produce a show with me? 809 00:44:39,718 --> 00:44:44,682 Let's have a show called Teenagers Club." 810 00:44:44,723 --> 00:44:47,017 [Errol] From the book, you tell a story 811 00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:50,270 that almost all of the producers were in love with you. 812 00:44:50,312 --> 00:44:52,147 Well, they were. 813 00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:54,024 When I was 15, 814 00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:57,736 that's when I started having a lot of sex. 815 00:44:57,778 --> 00:44:59,405 Can't say I regret it. 816 00:44:59,446 --> 00:45:01,323 [laughs] 817 00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:07,830 We stopped in Beirut. 818 00:45:07,871 --> 00:45:11,792 Something very extraordinary happened there. 819 00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:14,420 You have to remember, 820 00:45:14,461 --> 00:45:16,588 I didn't know Timothy for a long time. 821 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,882 And I really didn't understand 822 00:45:18,924 --> 00:45:23,595 the significance of his life work until then. 823 00:45:23,637 --> 00:45:28,392 And we're at the son of the president's house. 824 00:45:28,434 --> 00:45:30,936 He saw all these books by Jung, 825 00:45:30,978 --> 00:45:34,148 and he turned to me and he said, 826 00:45:34,189 --> 00:45:36,650 "They're not going to understand my work 827 00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:39,945 until after I'm dead." 828 00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:45,909 [Leary] 829 00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:49,121 [psychologist] 830 00:45:49,163 --> 00:45:51,665 [Leary] 831 00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:54,626 [psychologist] 832 00:45:54,668 --> 00:45:56,295 [Leary] 833 00:46:00,466 --> 00:46:02,217 -[laughs] -[psychologist] 834 00:46:02,259 --> 00:46:04,636 -[Leary] -[psychologist] 835 00:46:04,678 --> 00:46:06,221 [Leary] 836 00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:10,434 [psychologist] 837 00:46:10,476 --> 00:46:12,311 [Leary] 838 00:46:13,437 --> 00:46:15,564 -[psychologist] -[Leary] 839 00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:28,744 [laughs] 840 00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:38,420 He was telling me he was a fugitive, so I said to him, 841 00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:40,339 "Well, I have a really good idea. 842 00:46:40,380 --> 00:46:42,174 I think you should dye your hair." 843 00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:44,551 [laughs] 844 00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:49,348 I mean, I didn't know I was up against the whole United States government. 845 00:46:52,184 --> 00:46:54,144 I chose a rock 'n' roll look, 846 00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:58,023 purple trousers and a silver shirt. 847 00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:00,108 I got some black dye. 848 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:03,445 So I started putting the black dye on his hair, 849 00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:07,157 but then we made love 850 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,785 and we forgot about the black dye. 851 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:13,372 And his hair turned out to be 852 00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:15,874 absolute purple. 853 00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:19,378 Here was my rock 'n' roll star professor. 854 00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:22,339 [Errol] Here's a question: 855 00:47:22,381 --> 00:47:26,343 why does he have to travel in some kind of disguise? 856 00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:29,221 He knows that 857 00:47:29,263 --> 00:47:31,223 any place he stops, 858 00:47:31,265 --> 00:47:34,393 he might be arrested. 859 00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:39,064 The indictment 860 00:47:39,106 --> 00:47:41,400 had just come out. 861 00:47:44,194 --> 00:47:46,113 They charged him with everything 862 00:47:46,154 --> 00:47:48,615 that the Brotherhood of Eternal Love did. 863 00:47:54,246 --> 00:47:56,248 [Richard Nixon] I am glad that in this administration 864 00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:59,042 we have increased the amount of money 865 00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:02,754 for handling the problem of dangerous drugs sevenfold. 866 00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,173 It will be $600 million this year. 867 00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:09,511 This is one area where we cannot have budget cuts. 868 00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:11,972 We must wage what I have called total war 869 00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:15,684 against public enemy number one in the United States, 870 00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:17,603 the problem of dangerous drugs. 871 00:48:23,442 --> 00:48:25,277 [Joanna] Here we are, 872 00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:27,613 Timothy, Dennis and me, 873 00:48:27,654 --> 00:48:31,450 finally on the plane from Beirut 874 00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:33,118 to Kabul. 875 00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:37,414 We walk into the terminal. 876 00:48:37,456 --> 00:48:42,419 This man snaps both passports 877 00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:44,463 out of Timothy's hands. 878 00:48:44,504 --> 00:48:47,799 He throws a card at us, 879 00:48:47,841 --> 00:48:51,345 and he starts running out of the airport. 880 00:48:51,386 --> 00:48:53,263 "James Senner, 881 00:48:53,305 --> 00:48:58,101 second attaché at the Embassy of the United States." 882 00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:04,983 It was utter shock. 883 00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:12,491 We go up to the immigration people-- 884 00:49:12,532 --> 00:49:16,995 "You can't come into this country because you don't have any passports." 885 00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:20,415 I'm having a fear 886 00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:23,168 like I've never had before. 887 00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:25,212 Never had after. 888 00:49:27,547 --> 00:49:29,675 I put on the persona 889 00:49:29,716 --> 00:49:33,095 who threw her coat off 890 00:49:33,136 --> 00:49:36,014 in front of the professor in Vienna-- 891 00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:43,063 "If you separate me from Timothy Leary, I will die." 892 00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,190 I fainted on the floor 893 00:49:45,232 --> 00:49:48,443 to show him that I meant business. 894 00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:51,446 He said, "We're not going to separate you." 895 00:49:53,365 --> 00:49:57,119 Then we were taken to the Plaza Hotel... 896 00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:00,706 where they put foreigners 897 00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,041 in the rooms 898 00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:05,502 as prisoners. 899 00:50:05,544 --> 00:50:08,880 First time I asked to go to the toilet, 900 00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:12,217 they let Timothy come to the toilet with me. 901 00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:14,052 He got down on his knees. 902 00:50:14,094 --> 00:50:17,097 I don't know why it still just makes me cry today. 903 00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:20,767 It was such an act of tenderness in that moment 904 00:50:20,809 --> 00:50:25,272 that was frenetically terrifying, 905 00:50:25,313 --> 00:50:29,359 with Timothy getting down on his knees, 906 00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:31,486 carefully, minutiously 907 00:50:31,528 --> 00:50:33,155 cleaning the toilet. 908 00:50:33,196 --> 00:50:35,490 I felt protected 909 00:50:35,532 --> 00:50:37,951 in this moment of horror. 910 00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:43,081 These two Afghani secret service 911 00:50:43,123 --> 00:50:44,541 came into the room 912 00:50:44,583 --> 00:50:48,086 and they started interrogating Timothy, 913 00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:51,548 asking him who he was. 914 00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:53,717 Timothy said, 915 00:50:53,759 --> 00:50:57,929 "I am not going back to the United States without Joanna." 916 00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:02,267 And after about four days, 917 00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:05,854 they told us that we were being taken to the airport. 918 00:51:11,651 --> 00:51:13,445 We got into this Jeep 919 00:51:13,487 --> 00:51:16,948 with the soldiers all around with their machine guns, 920 00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,326 and we got to the airport. 921 00:51:20,368 --> 00:51:22,954 An Indian doctor came up to me, 922 00:51:22,996 --> 00:51:26,792 presented me with a paper that said, 923 00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:28,627 "If something happens to you, 924 00:51:28,668 --> 00:51:33,507 you will not hold the Afghani government responsible." 925 00:51:33,548 --> 00:51:35,884 I signed that paper, yeah. 926 00:51:40,806 --> 00:51:45,310 There was a plane of Ariana Airlines. 927 00:51:45,352 --> 00:51:47,312 We started going up the steps. 928 00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:50,774 And this man with a beard said, 929 00:51:50,816 --> 00:51:54,152 "Agent Terrence Burke, 930 00:51:54,194 --> 00:51:56,113 dope's the game. 931 00:51:56,154 --> 00:52:00,784 I've come to bring you back to the United States." 932 00:52:00,826 --> 00:52:04,913 And he handed Timothy an ID card. 933 00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:08,041 Profession: Philosopher. 934 00:52:10,377 --> 00:52:12,420 They put us in first class. 935 00:52:14,506 --> 00:52:16,466 Two agents in the seats behind us, 936 00:52:16,508 --> 00:52:19,344 two agents in the seat opposite us. 937 00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,514 I was so scared. 938 00:52:22,556 --> 00:52:24,015 The plane was going to do two stops-- 939 00:52:24,057 --> 00:52:25,350 Tehran, Paris. 940 00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:28,395 I obviously had paper to write with 941 00:52:28,436 --> 00:52:29,813 and I had a pen. 942 00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:32,858 And I wrote, "This is Dr. Timothy Leary. 943 00:52:32,899 --> 00:52:35,152 We are being kidnapped. 944 00:52:35,193 --> 00:52:37,863 Please give this to the first authority 945 00:52:37,904 --> 00:52:40,949 that you see in the airport in Paris." 946 00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:46,037 And I start dropping these little papers on people's laps. 947 00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:50,333 About 15 minutes later, 948 00:52:50,375 --> 00:52:52,043 a voice came on and they said, 949 00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:56,047 "This plane is no longer going to Paris. 950 00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:59,467 It's been diverted to Germany." 951 00:53:01,344 --> 00:53:04,890 I'm in the hands of people who can just deviate a plane. 952 00:53:06,558 --> 00:53:10,395 They took us into an empty waiting room. 953 00:53:11,396 --> 00:53:13,231 And the next day, 954 00:53:13,273 --> 00:53:17,110 they pushed us onto a plane to L.A. 955 00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:19,237 In first class. 956 00:53:20,614 --> 00:53:22,908 Well, on that flight to L.A. 957 00:53:22,949 --> 00:53:25,577 was this friend of my family, 958 00:53:25,619 --> 00:53:27,787 friend of my sister, 959 00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:31,374 this fabulous playboy who had actually been married 960 00:53:31,416 --> 00:53:33,752 to Brigitte Bardot. 961 00:53:33,793 --> 00:53:35,921 [singing "L'appareil à sous" in French] 962 00:53:35,962 --> 00:53:38,089 [Joanna] And we drank champagne. 963 00:53:41,426 --> 00:53:44,054 And we talked. And we played. 964 00:53:47,807 --> 00:53:49,935 Timothy made a pact with them, 965 00:53:49,976 --> 00:53:51,895 that they would take care of me. 966 00:53:51,937 --> 00:53:55,190 I didn't really know what was going to happen. 967 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,067 And shortly before we landed, 968 00:53:57,108 --> 00:54:00,528 he handed me his address book. 969 00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:02,280 He wrote a paper saying: 970 00:54:02,322 --> 00:54:03,907 "The right to speak for me 971 00:54:03,949 --> 00:54:06,910 I hereby lovingly give to Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 972 00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:08,954 who is my love, my voice, 973 00:54:08,995 --> 00:54:10,956 my wisdom, my words, 974 00:54:10,997 --> 00:54:12,415 my output to the world 975 00:54:12,457 --> 00:54:14,751 for our love, et cetera, et cetera. 976 00:54:14,793 --> 00:54:18,463 Timothy Leary, over Montana, USA. 977 00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:21,216 January 18th, 1973." 978 00:54:26,638 --> 00:54:30,183 [Joanna] The day we were brought back was 979 00:54:30,225 --> 00:54:32,602 the week the Plumbers 980 00:54:32,644 --> 00:54:34,604 got sentenced. 981 00:54:34,646 --> 00:54:38,483 It was the week of Nixon's second inauguration. 982 00:54:40,402 --> 00:54:42,988 That was absolutely... 983 00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:46,491 calculated. 984 00:54:46,533 --> 00:54:48,868 The law and order President. 985 00:54:48,910 --> 00:54:50,870 They had been tracking us all along. 986 00:54:50,912 --> 00:54:54,165 I mean, there's absolutely no doubt about it. 987 00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:58,003 You see, this is why I think 988 00:54:58,044 --> 00:55:01,339 the CIA had a lot to do with this story. 989 00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:04,801 I saw the order 990 00:55:04,843 --> 00:55:07,345 from Ehrlichman that said, 991 00:55:07,387 --> 00:55:09,681 "Capture Dr. Timothy Leary 992 00:55:09,723 --> 00:55:13,643 and return him by any means." 993 00:55:13,685 --> 00:55:15,186 He's the best man in the world. 994 00:55:15,228 --> 00:55:17,147 He's beautiful. He's a philosopher. 995 00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,024 He's got all the answers. He's happy. 996 00:55:19,065 --> 00:55:21,318 He's happy, you understand? He's come back-- 997 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:23,987 He's come back because he has got things to say 998 00:55:24,029 --> 00:55:26,197 because he's a beautiful man 999 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,116 and because he's going to save the world 1000 00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:30,869 and because he's full of love, and our love is perfect. 1001 00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:33,663 Our love is the most beautiful love that's ever existed. 1002 00:55:33,705 --> 00:55:35,540 I met him two months ago in Switzerland, 1003 00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:38,084 and I haven't left him a second ever since. 1004 00:55:38,126 --> 00:55:40,337 And I know nothing of his past-- 1005 00:55:40,378 --> 00:55:43,673 I only know that I've lived with him day and night, 1006 00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:45,508 and that he's a perfect man. 1007 00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:47,635 [interviewer] Were you with him when he was arrested? 1008 00:55:47,677 --> 00:55:49,846 -A perfect love. -[interviewer] Were you with him when he was arrested? 1009 00:55:49,888 --> 00:55:51,890 Yes, sir. I was with him. 1010 00:55:51,931 --> 00:55:54,142 It was totally illegal. 1011 00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:57,979 One of the reasons I contacted you 1012 00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:00,690 is I think there's still a mystery here. 1013 00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:07,572 Same as in Wormwood. 1014 00:56:07,614 --> 00:56:09,824 How we were manipulated. 1015 00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:13,203 How I was used 1016 00:56:13,244 --> 00:56:15,872 to lead Timothy Leary 1017 00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:18,291 back into custody. 1018 00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:22,337 And the fact that 1019 00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:25,173 I don't know these things. 1020 00:56:25,215 --> 00:56:28,760 I was told by Dennis that Timothy met 1021 00:56:28,802 --> 00:56:31,429 with this particular CIA agent 1022 00:56:31,471 --> 00:56:34,474 from time to time in Switzerland. 1023 00:56:35,809 --> 00:56:38,144 I don't know what that means. 1024 00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:41,523 I'm intrigued by it, 1025 00:56:41,564 --> 00:56:43,775 still, 40 years later. 1026 00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:49,781 I'm not a conspiracy person, 1027 00:56:49,823 --> 00:56:53,076 but it does involve my own life. 1028 00:56:53,118 --> 00:56:57,330 There's another veil that has not been uncovered 1029 00:56:57,372 --> 00:57:00,125 about what was going on there. 1030 00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:03,336 [Errol] If you could lift that veil, what do you think you'd see? 1031 00:57:03,378 --> 00:57:06,089 The Timothy Leary story 1032 00:57:06,131 --> 00:57:09,717 is a very big political story. 1033 00:57:09,759 --> 00:57:12,971 A lot of people have been manipulated 1034 00:57:13,012 --> 00:57:15,181 to manipulate history. 1035 00:57:16,516 --> 00:57:20,395 And the more I understand this story, 1036 00:57:20,437 --> 00:57:22,480 the more I understand 1037 00:57:22,522 --> 00:57:25,650 that it's part of a puzzle 1038 00:57:25,692 --> 00:57:29,112 that's being played out. 1039 00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:31,739 The grandiosity of the people 1040 00:57:31,781 --> 00:57:33,491 I grew up around 1041 00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:35,326 was limitless. 1042 00:57:35,368 --> 00:57:38,872 Using people as pawns 1043 00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:41,458 was definitely their game. 1044 00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:49,966 My step-grandfather Arpád Plesch 1045 00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:53,011 was a very, very nasty character. 1046 00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:58,475 He took money from the Jewish people 1047 00:57:58,516 --> 00:57:59,976 that he knew in Germany, 1048 00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:04,105 and he hid the money in Swiss numbered accounts, 1049 00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:06,316 and then he denounced 1050 00:58:06,357 --> 00:58:07,984 those people 1051 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:10,361 to the Hitler people. 1052 00:58:10,403 --> 00:58:11,946 [Errol] He was not a Jew, however? 1053 00:58:11,988 --> 00:58:15,408 Oh, he was a Jew. Oh, yes, he was a Jew. 1054 00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:18,870 I've seen the absolute depravity 1055 00:58:18,912 --> 00:58:23,708 of the people who have the most money in this world. 1056 00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:25,502 And I've seen 1057 00:58:25,543 --> 00:58:28,463 how there are no morals whatsoever. 1058 00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:29,631 None. 1059 00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:32,383 Money and power, 1060 00:58:32,425 --> 00:58:34,093 and that's it. 1061 00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:39,849 Arpád Plesch was married to both my mother 1062 00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:41,351 and my grandmother. 1063 00:58:43,061 --> 00:58:44,687 When my grandmother died, 1064 00:58:44,729 --> 00:58:47,815 I was taken into the garden 1065 00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:51,486 to see Grandpa marrying Mummy. 1066 00:58:52,612 --> 00:58:54,572 And that was all about money... 1067 00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:58,618 and incest. 1068 00:58:58,660 --> 00:59:02,747 [Errol] Forgive me, but how was it that your grandmother died? 1069 00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:06,042 When my grandmother was dying, 1070 00:59:06,084 --> 00:59:09,128 he went to get a knife 1071 00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:12,632 and he plunged into her heart. 1072 00:59:12,674 --> 00:59:16,219 I guess my step-grandfather, stepfather, 1073 00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:19,889 considered that it was an act of love, 1074 00:59:19,931 --> 00:59:21,933 that he would make sure 1075 00:59:21,975 --> 00:59:24,852 that his wife was dead. 1076 00:59:24,894 --> 00:59:28,690 [Errol] Your story seems like a tragedy out of ancient Greece. 1077 00:59:29,774 --> 00:59:31,568 Well, it's true, my story. 1078 00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:34,946 It's true. It's very strange. 1079 00:59:34,988 --> 00:59:37,282 It's absolutely true. 1080 00:59:40,118 --> 00:59:42,453 [Leary] 1081 00:59:42,495 --> 00:59:43,871 [psychologist] 1082 00:59:51,129 --> 00:59:53,131 [Leary] 1083 00:59:58,553 --> 01:00:01,014 -[psychologist] -[Leary] 1084 01:00:01,055 --> 01:00:02,140 [Psychologist laughs] 1085 01:00:02,181 --> 01:00:05,059 [Leary] 1086 01:00:05,101 --> 01:00:06,978 [psychologist] 1087 01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:16,070 [Joanna] When we got brought back to the United States, 1088 01:00:16,112 --> 01:00:20,825 I had no idea who Timothy Leary was. 1089 01:00:20,867 --> 01:00:22,702 Guru, folk hero, 1090 01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:26,497 and political resistor. 1091 01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:30,460 Ten days after we got back, 1092 01:00:30,501 --> 01:00:35,798 I heard that Dennis had been captured. 1093 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,260 I went to see him at the county jail 1094 01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:40,637 because he was a link 1095 01:00:40,678 --> 01:00:43,723 with that incredible time in Europe. 1096 01:00:46,893 --> 01:00:50,980 Dennis said, "I'll be getting out in a few days. 1097 01:00:51,022 --> 01:00:52,607 I'll meet up with you. 1098 01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:54,942 I'll instruct you about the whole story-- 1099 01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:57,945 who are the villains, who are the good people." 1100 01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:01,949 All that was a setup. 1101 01:01:04,035 --> 01:01:06,579 Timothy had given me his address book 1102 01:01:06,621 --> 01:01:10,500 with every name you could imagine 1103 01:01:10,541 --> 01:01:13,544 and said, "Talk to these people and free me." 1104 01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:18,466 It was an amazing puzzle. 1105 01:01:20,593 --> 01:01:22,261 [Joanna] This is Folsom prison. 1106 01:01:22,303 --> 01:01:25,431 It holds at the present time 1,800 men. 1107 01:01:25,473 --> 01:01:27,558 One of them is Timothy Leary. 1108 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,603 He was brought here after four months in solitary confinement 1109 01:01:30,645 --> 01:01:33,940 at California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo. 1110 01:01:33,981 --> 01:01:36,651 I am Joanna Leary, and I'd like to see him 1111 01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:38,486 out of here as quick as possible. 1112 01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:41,989 [Joanna] I wrote him every day, 1113 01:01:42,031 --> 01:01:43,825 and he wrote me every day. 1114 01:01:46,411 --> 01:01:49,330 I coated stamps in acid. 1115 01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:51,374 He knew 1116 01:01:51,416 --> 01:01:53,084 what was on the stamp. 1117 01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:58,256 And then I put these tiny, little acid 1118 01:01:58,297 --> 01:02:00,007 in my belly button. 1119 01:02:00,049 --> 01:02:02,927 You see, I have an innie, 1120 01:02:02,969 --> 01:02:06,180 and I never knew how useful it would become. 1121 01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,934 We were allowed to embrace 1122 01:02:09,976 --> 01:02:13,521 in the beginning and at the end of the visit. 1123 01:02:16,691 --> 01:02:18,943 And I had taken mine 1124 01:02:18,985 --> 01:02:21,446 about ten minutes before. 1125 01:02:21,487 --> 01:02:22,822 When we were kissing, 1126 01:02:22,864 --> 01:02:26,284 I put my hand up towards his mouth 1127 01:02:26,325 --> 01:02:28,286 and then I put it in. 1128 01:02:28,327 --> 01:02:31,414 We were both... tripping 1129 01:02:31,456 --> 01:02:33,499 at Folsom prison. 1130 01:02:33,541 --> 01:02:35,918 It was orgasmic. 1131 01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,220 My mother came to Folsom prison 1132 01:02:46,262 --> 01:02:49,432 in her Chanel coat. 1133 01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:53,060 She's got her Nancy Reagan super-coiffed hair. 1134 01:02:53,102 --> 01:02:54,979 She's got her high heels. 1135 01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:57,440 [laughs] 1136 01:02:57,482 --> 01:02:59,734 And her very red nails. 1137 01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,319 She was fine. 1138 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,571 I mean, they frisked her. 1139 01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:04,947 They took her ID. 1140 01:03:04,989 --> 01:03:09,076 And we went down to the visiting room. 1141 01:03:09,118 --> 01:03:12,288 They greeted each other like they were 1142 01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:14,832 the oldest of friends. 1143 01:03:14,874 --> 01:03:18,044 Timothy got down on his knees 1144 01:03:18,085 --> 01:03:20,004 in Folsom Prison, 1145 01:03:20,046 --> 01:03:24,175 and he asked my mother for my hand. 1146 01:03:24,217 --> 01:03:27,720 She told him how crazy she thought I was. 1147 01:03:27,762 --> 01:03:29,472 I thought that there's my mother, 1148 01:03:29,514 --> 01:03:31,891 jealous of my lovers again. 1149 01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:37,688 Timothy looked quite like my father, 1150 01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:41,818 Lieutenant Commander Cecil Harcourt-Smith. 1151 01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:45,363 My mother was just 1152 01:03:45,404 --> 01:03:48,157 gaga about him. 1153 01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,368 [Errol] Were you jealous of your mother? 1154 01:03:50,409 --> 01:03:53,371 At that moment, was I jealous of my mother? 1155 01:03:54,413 --> 01:03:55,873 Wow. 1156 01:03:55,915 --> 01:03:59,210 I probably was, terribly! [laughs] 1157 01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:01,212 [Errol] I was going to ask you the generic question, 1158 01:04:01,254 --> 01:04:04,048 What did you learn about sex from your mother? 1159 01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:06,884 She said that I had to be very careful 1160 01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:09,178 because when you have sex, 1161 01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:11,848 you could get syphilis. 1162 01:04:11,889 --> 01:04:16,227 Oh, she didn't tell me I could get pregnant! 1163 01:04:16,269 --> 01:04:18,229 [Errol] I take it you didn't get syphilis, 1164 01:04:18,271 --> 01:04:19,564 but you did get pregnant. 1165 01:04:19,605 --> 01:04:20,898 Yeah. 1166 01:04:22,108 --> 01:04:23,526 A lot. 1167 01:04:23,568 --> 01:04:24,610 [laughs] 1168 01:04:24,652 --> 01:04:27,905 I had to go to her and say, 1169 01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:29,907 "I don't understand. 1170 01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,076 My tummy's getting bigger. 1171 01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:34,245 I'm feeling sick. 1172 01:04:34,287 --> 01:04:36,205 I don't know what's happening." 1173 01:04:36,247 --> 01:04:38,791 She took me to a doctor and they took blood, 1174 01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,919 and it turned out I was pregnant. 1175 01:04:41,961 --> 01:04:45,047 I was 15. There was absolutely no question 1176 01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:47,008 that I was going to have that child, 1177 01:04:47,049 --> 01:04:50,177 I mean, none whatsoever. 1178 01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:53,097 And then they took me in, and they took my baby. 1179 01:04:57,310 --> 01:05:00,104 I think I was never the same again. 1180 01:05:02,315 --> 01:05:04,525 So after that... 1181 01:05:07,945 --> 01:05:10,948 I was in full seduction mode. 1182 01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:15,786 I had to have eight men at a time to be content. 1183 01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:18,456 Now, I wasn't having sex with eight men, 1184 01:05:18,497 --> 01:05:23,127 but I had to have eight major admirers. 1185 01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:25,963 At night in my bed, I would count them. 1186 01:05:26,005 --> 01:05:29,425 Made me feel warm, made me feel safe. 1187 01:05:29,467 --> 01:05:31,135 Made me feel wanted. 1188 01:05:32,845 --> 01:05:34,472 [Helen Koblin] This is Helen Koblin, 1189 01:05:34,513 --> 01:05:37,016 and with me is Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 1190 01:05:37,058 --> 01:05:40,311 Timothy Leary's woman. She's trying to help Timothy. 1191 01:05:40,353 --> 01:05:43,856 [young Joanna] He's sitting in the solitary confinement cell 1192 01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:46,192 just sending out energy and love 1193 01:05:46,233 --> 01:05:49,362 to whoever wants to receive it. 1194 01:05:51,364 --> 01:05:53,032 [female psychologist] 1195 01:05:57,036 --> 01:05:59,163 [male psychologist] 1196 01:06:03,709 --> 01:06:05,670 [Leary] 1197 01:06:09,215 --> 01:06:10,508 [female psychologist] 1198 01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:12,259 [Leary] 1199 01:06:15,179 --> 01:06:17,515 [male psychologist] 1200 01:06:17,556 --> 01:06:19,308 [Leary] 1201 01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:21,185 [male psychologist] 1202 01:06:31,904 --> 01:06:33,447 -[Leary] -[male psychologist] 1203 01:06:33,489 --> 01:06:35,032 [Leary] 1204 01:06:39,078 --> 01:06:42,331 [Joanna] I had a studio 1205 01:06:42,373 --> 01:06:44,583 under Coit Tower 1206 01:06:44,625 --> 01:06:47,003 in San Francisco. 1207 01:06:47,044 --> 01:06:49,213 Francis Ford Coppola 1208 01:06:49,255 --> 01:06:51,257 gave me an office 1209 01:06:51,298 --> 01:06:54,135 above the Little Fox Theater, 1210 01:06:54,176 --> 01:06:57,930 the Starseed Information Center. 1211 01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:02,768 We'd hatch these crazy projects 1212 01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:05,521 to get Timothy out of prison. 1213 01:07:07,523 --> 01:07:10,401 We'll get a helicopter. 1214 01:07:10,443 --> 01:07:14,238 I will be naked 1215 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,365 with black gloves. 1216 01:07:16,407 --> 01:07:18,325 We'll have this huge 1217 01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:21,579 speakers blasting out 1218 01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:23,664 The Dark Side of the Moon. 1219 01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,417 It would make the guards 1220 01:07:26,459 --> 01:07:27,918 completely numb. 1221 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,838 And so we'd pick Timothy out of the yard, 1222 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,549 take him into the helicopter. 1223 01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:36,510 We'd go to the mountains nearby. 1224 01:07:36,552 --> 01:07:38,929 There would be a whole militia 1225 01:07:38,971 --> 01:07:41,265 that would surround us. 1226 01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:46,103 Also, the Starseed Information Center 1227 01:07:46,145 --> 01:07:48,439 is from where I published 1228 01:07:48,481 --> 01:07:50,649 five of Timothy's books. 1229 01:07:54,570 --> 01:07:59,575 We felt that as long as he could write books, 1230 01:07:59,617 --> 01:08:02,161 his mind would not be imprisoned. 1231 01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:07,166 He would send them to me in letter form. 1232 01:08:07,208 --> 01:08:08,709 "My darling wife, 1233 01:08:08,751 --> 01:08:10,586 I miss you more than life itself. 1234 01:08:10,628 --> 01:08:14,965 The seven circuits of the human brain are, 1235 01:08:15,007 --> 01:08:17,301 one, blah, blah, blah. Two." 1236 01:08:22,306 --> 01:08:23,891 When I was broke, 1237 01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:27,770 I would stand on Telegraph Avenue 1238 01:08:27,812 --> 01:08:29,605 and I'd sell my books. 1239 01:08:29,647 --> 01:08:31,273 ["Morning Has Broken" by Cat Stevens playing] 1240 01:08:31,315 --> 01:08:33,818 Morning has broken 1241 01:08:33,859 --> 01:08:38,656 Like the first morning... 1242 01:08:38,697 --> 01:08:43,536 [Joanna] One day somebody introduced me to this man 1243 01:08:43,577 --> 01:08:45,704 we called Franklin, 1244 01:08:45,746 --> 01:08:49,834 because he always had a lot of hundred-dollar bills. 1245 01:08:49,875 --> 01:08:54,004 He made this acid that in those days was called 1246 01:08:54,046 --> 01:08:56,006 Clear Light. 1247 01:08:56,048 --> 01:08:58,592 He would give me these vials, 1248 01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:00,094 and I'd go around town, 1249 01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:02,680 and I'd give acid to everybody. 1250 01:09:02,721 --> 01:09:04,557 Like, I'd go to the bank, 1251 01:09:04,598 --> 01:09:06,433 and I would give them some acid. 1252 01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:08,144 And I kid you not, 1253 01:09:08,185 --> 01:09:10,479 they were not at the bank the following week. 1254 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:17,194 One day, Franklin asked me if I'd take an acid trip with him. 1255 01:09:18,404 --> 01:09:21,115 And then he took me out to this 1256 01:09:21,157 --> 01:09:23,534 house on the beach. 1257 01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:25,536 All that was in the living room 1258 01:09:25,578 --> 01:09:28,205 was a king-sized bed... 1259 01:09:29,415 --> 01:09:33,961 with a huge American flag on it. 1260 01:09:34,003 --> 01:09:37,214 When the time came to take the acid... 1261 01:09:38,424 --> 01:09:42,011 I put it on my tongue. 1262 01:09:42,052 --> 01:09:45,181 He did the same thing, put it on my tongue. 1263 01:09:45,222 --> 01:09:46,932 He licked my tongue, 1264 01:09:46,974 --> 01:09:48,392 I licked his tongue. 1265 01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:53,772 I lay down on that American flag. 1266 01:09:53,814 --> 01:09:56,233 I was very, very, very freaked out. 1267 01:09:58,068 --> 01:10:00,029 Franklin was meditating. 1268 01:10:00,070 --> 01:10:04,325 He wasn't really into having sex, 1269 01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:06,577 which surprised me a lot. 1270 01:10:06,619 --> 01:10:09,788 But then I went out on the beach. 1271 01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:11,916 There was this bell... 1272 01:10:11,957 --> 01:10:13,375 [bell ringing] 1273 01:10:13,417 --> 01:10:16,128 ...going back and forth, 1274 01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:19,131 and a voice came on. 1275 01:10:19,173 --> 01:10:22,009 It was the voice of my mother. 1276 01:10:22,051 --> 01:10:25,429 She was telling me something that was really important. 1277 01:10:25,471 --> 01:10:27,473 She was saying, 1278 01:10:27,514 --> 01:10:31,518 "You're playing, you're acting, you're exaggerating." 1279 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,938 In that moment I realized she was right, 1280 01:10:33,979 --> 01:10:36,357 that I was playing a role 1281 01:10:36,398 --> 01:10:38,525 'cause I was afraid. 1282 01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:42,780 After the trip, 1283 01:10:42,821 --> 01:10:44,615 I said to Franklin, 1284 01:10:44,657 --> 01:10:47,368 "Is there anything that you need?" 1285 01:10:47,409 --> 01:10:50,704 "Well, I really need seven pounds 1286 01:10:50,746 --> 01:10:52,289 of ergotamine 1287 01:10:52,331 --> 01:10:55,793 for my next LSD batch." 1288 01:10:55,834 --> 01:10:59,964 My diabolical mind went into action immediately-- 1289 01:11:00,005 --> 01:11:02,132 "Dr. Schwitzhund 1290 01:11:02,174 --> 01:11:05,261 definitely has ergotamine." 1291 01:11:05,302 --> 01:11:06,762 [Errol] How did you know this? 1292 01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:10,266 Well, I didn't know this. I was lying. 1293 01:11:10,307 --> 01:11:12,476 I was lying! 1294 01:11:12,518 --> 01:11:15,187 He said, "Well, how much would it cost?" 1295 01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:17,523 "$10,000 a pound." 1296 01:11:17,564 --> 01:11:20,526 He said, "Fine, get it for me." 1297 01:11:20,567 --> 01:11:24,655 Dennis, the sorcerer's apprentice, 1298 01:11:24,697 --> 01:11:28,617 told me that the dope dealer trick is 1299 01:11:28,659 --> 01:11:31,036 to get two adjoining rooms, 1300 01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:34,832 and then you get a room three floors up. 1301 01:11:34,873 --> 01:11:38,544 You give them the key, 1302 01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:40,921 and then you tell them to go upstairs 1303 01:11:40,963 --> 01:11:42,840 and get the merchandise. 1304 01:11:42,881 --> 01:11:44,633 They'll come back to the room, 1305 01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:47,177 but you're already in the adjoining room. 1306 01:11:49,555 --> 01:11:52,016 I loved Franklin, 1307 01:11:52,057 --> 01:11:57,688 but I desperately needed the money to free Timothy. 1308 01:11:57,730 --> 01:12:01,275 I got a beautiful little Halliburton suitcase. 1309 01:12:01,317 --> 01:12:04,445 Timothy had given me this exquisite 1310 01:12:04,486 --> 01:12:08,198 gold tantric ring. 1311 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,868 I put all those things in the suitcase. 1312 01:12:12,953 --> 01:12:15,873 One fine day, 1313 01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:19,293 I made an appointment with him at this hotel on the wharf. 1314 01:12:21,754 --> 01:12:24,548 In the elevator I said to him, 1315 01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:27,760 "Shall we just go to that room and make love?" 1316 01:12:27,801 --> 01:12:30,721 [Errol] Was this just to trick him or-- 1317 01:12:30,763 --> 01:12:35,225 No! It was the opposite of tricking him. 1318 01:12:35,267 --> 01:12:38,395 If we'd made love, I probably wouldn't have tricked him. 1319 01:12:38,437 --> 01:12:41,398 [Errol] And who was waiting in the room next door? 1320 01:12:42,691 --> 01:12:44,360 Dennis. 1321 01:12:45,903 --> 01:12:47,821 Machiavellian Dennis. 1322 01:12:50,074 --> 01:12:55,037 [Errol] And you would have made love to Franklin with Dennis listening? 1323 01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:57,915 Franklin was more important to me than Dennis. 1324 01:13:00,250 --> 01:13:03,087 So we went to the room, 1325 01:13:03,128 --> 01:13:06,090 and he gave me this little accordion folder 1326 01:13:06,131 --> 01:13:08,217 with $10,000 1327 01:13:08,258 --> 01:13:10,594 in each space. 1328 01:13:10,636 --> 01:13:12,012 And then after a while, 1329 01:13:12,054 --> 01:13:13,555 my lookout told me 1330 01:13:13,597 --> 01:13:16,600 that he had left the building. 1331 01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:20,062 It was late at night by then. 1332 01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:22,439 And I had somebody drive me 1333 01:13:22,481 --> 01:13:24,441 to Mill Valley 1334 01:13:24,483 --> 01:13:26,110 to this lawyer, 1335 01:13:26,151 --> 01:13:28,278 and I knocked like crazy. 1336 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,031 When he opened up, he was in his robe and... 1337 01:13:33,367 --> 01:13:35,786 I sat at the kitchen table with him. 1338 01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:41,917 And I threw the money on the table. 1339 01:13:43,252 --> 01:13:45,337 "Can you get him out now?" 1340 01:13:46,964 --> 01:13:49,550 And he said to me, "No, 1341 01:13:49,591 --> 01:13:52,636 it's not a question of money. 1342 01:13:52,678 --> 01:13:54,972 He's a political prisoner." 1343 01:13:57,182 --> 01:13:59,476 [Leary] Most of the men that I model myself after 1344 01:13:59,518 --> 01:14:02,312 have been lucky if they got away with, uh, 1345 01:14:02,354 --> 01:14:04,481 just being in prison 1346 01:14:04,523 --> 01:14:06,984 for their ideas. 1347 01:14:07,985 --> 01:14:10,154 [psychologist] 1348 01:14:18,662 --> 01:14:21,081 [Leary] 1349 01:14:24,543 --> 01:14:26,837 [psychologist] 1350 01:14:26,879 --> 01:14:29,047 [Leary] 1351 01:15:00,704 --> 01:15:03,665 [Errol] Dennis is insinuating himself more 1352 01:15:03,707 --> 01:15:05,417 and more into all of this, no? 1353 01:15:06,710 --> 01:15:09,546 I have pain about it, but... 1354 01:15:09,588 --> 01:15:12,382 may that be present with us as well. 1355 01:15:12,424 --> 01:15:14,718 I was taking a lot of cocaine. 1356 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,553 Dennis was providing it. 1357 01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:19,223 I was smoking a lot of cannabis. 1358 01:15:19,264 --> 01:15:21,892 I was drinking a lot of alcohol. 1359 01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:23,560 On some days I would just 1360 01:15:23,602 --> 01:15:26,230 lie in my-- in my studio, 1361 01:15:26,271 --> 01:15:29,024 watch the Watergate hearings, 1362 01:15:29,066 --> 01:15:32,945 and hope that something might change. 1363 01:15:32,986 --> 01:15:35,030 But as the case progressed, it became obvious 1364 01:15:35,072 --> 01:15:36,532 that there were higher-ups, 1365 01:15:36,573 --> 01:15:38,742 men who ordered the bugging operations 1366 01:15:38,784 --> 01:15:40,327 and who paid for it. 1367 01:15:40,369 --> 01:15:41,828 And now it takes a scorecard 1368 01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:44,206 to keep track of those connected with it 1369 01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:47,042 in one way or another. 1370 01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:49,211 Timothy always said that 1371 01:15:49,253 --> 01:15:51,129 his imprisonment 1372 01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:54,049 would be harder for me than for him. 1373 01:15:54,091 --> 01:15:58,011 Needless for me to say to you that, um, 1374 01:15:58,053 --> 01:15:59,888 I was very sensual. 1375 01:15:59,930 --> 01:16:02,140 I was 27 years old. 1376 01:16:03,267 --> 01:16:06,061 I had shared with Timothy 1377 01:16:06,103 --> 01:16:09,106 that I was going to have sex. 1378 01:16:09,147 --> 01:16:12,859 It was the time of free love, 1379 01:16:12,901 --> 01:16:15,821 and he was the bishop of free love. 1380 01:16:17,823 --> 01:16:20,826 I imagined myself as Scheherazade. 1381 01:16:22,619 --> 01:16:25,080 I wouldn't tell him who it was, 1382 01:16:25,122 --> 01:16:26,790 but I'd describe 1383 01:16:26,832 --> 01:16:30,711 how I'd made love with another person. 1384 01:16:30,752 --> 01:16:32,921 One time it might be a woman, 1385 01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:35,173 one time it was a hermaphrodite. 1386 01:16:36,842 --> 01:16:39,886 Dennis was one of the people I had sex with. 1387 01:16:42,264 --> 01:16:44,933 After a while, he said to me that 1388 01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:48,770 he was working as an informant for the government. 1389 01:16:48,812 --> 01:16:51,648 Timothy should get out that way 1390 01:16:51,690 --> 01:16:55,902 because he won't get out any other way. 1391 01:16:55,944 --> 01:16:59,823 I passed on that information to him a couple of times. 1392 01:16:59,865 --> 01:17:02,242 I had no idea of the implications. 1393 01:17:02,284 --> 01:17:03,744 [Errol] Really? 1394 01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:06,288 None! 1395 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:10,167 You have to understand how incredibly naive I was. 1396 01:17:11,752 --> 01:17:14,463 I always wondered why 1397 01:17:14,504 --> 01:17:18,925 one Thursday I went to see him at Vacaville 1398 01:17:18,967 --> 01:17:20,844 and he said, 1399 01:17:20,886 --> 01:17:24,681 "Send a telegram to the FBI 1400 01:17:24,723 --> 01:17:27,643 and tell them I'm ready to cooperate." 1401 01:17:27,684 --> 01:17:29,645 People have accused me 1402 01:17:29,686 --> 01:17:32,356 of being the one who made him do it. 1403 01:17:33,732 --> 01:17:36,276 That's impossible. 1404 01:17:36,318 --> 01:17:39,321 That's the story of The Blue Angel, 1405 01:17:39,363 --> 01:17:41,823 the sexy singer 1406 01:17:41,865 --> 01:17:45,452 who perverts the professor. 1407 01:17:45,494 --> 01:17:47,079 No! 1408 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,040 That's ridiculous! 1409 01:17:52,626 --> 01:17:54,503 I was like Alice in Wonderland. 1410 01:17:54,544 --> 01:17:57,839 I didn't have any point of reference. 1411 01:17:58,965 --> 01:18:01,301 I didn't realize 1412 01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,929 how alien I was. 1413 01:18:05,931 --> 01:18:08,225 To Allen Ginsberg, 1414 01:18:08,266 --> 01:18:10,769 I was not fit 1415 01:18:10,811 --> 01:18:13,230 to be the next acid queen. 1416 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,528 By then I was living in Mill Valley. 1417 01:18:22,364 --> 01:18:25,158 I sent this telegram 1418 01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,494 to the FBI: 1419 01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:31,081 "Timothy ready to cooperate with government." 1420 01:18:31,123 --> 01:18:33,917 Couple of days after that, 1421 01:18:33,959 --> 01:18:37,337 FBI agents came from Chicago 1422 01:18:37,379 --> 01:18:41,508 because that's where they were searching for the Weathermen. 1423 01:18:41,550 --> 01:18:46,722 [Errol] And they knew that Timothy was connected to the Weathermen. 1424 01:18:46,763 --> 01:18:50,267 [Joanna] They had helped him escape from prison. 1425 01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:53,437 They brought me in. 1426 01:18:53,478 --> 01:18:55,647 He asked me if I'd be willing 1427 01:18:55,689 --> 01:18:59,901 to work for his release. 1428 01:18:59,943 --> 01:19:04,573 There was no limits to my stand-by-your-man. 1429 01:19:04,614 --> 01:19:07,868 No limits. 1430 01:19:07,909 --> 01:19:10,912 By then we had been talking of having a baby. 1431 01:19:10,954 --> 01:19:13,540 We had named the baby. 1432 01:19:13,582 --> 01:19:14,958 [Errol] What was the name? 1433 01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,251 It was going to be a girl, 1434 01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:18,795 and her name was going to be Chrysalis. 1435 01:19:20,422 --> 01:19:23,258 No abbreviation to Chrys. 1436 01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:24,885 Chrysalis. 1437 01:19:24,926 --> 01:19:26,762 You have to know that after 1438 01:19:26,803 --> 01:19:29,055 visiting your man in prison 1439 01:19:29,097 --> 01:19:32,434 and seeing how all appeals were refused. 1440 01:19:32,476 --> 01:19:35,395 Lawyers didn't know how to get him out. 1441 01:19:38,023 --> 01:19:41,318 I would do anything, anything at all. 1442 01:19:42,819 --> 01:19:44,738 The DEA had me 1443 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:48,116 completely at their mercy. 1444 01:19:48,158 --> 01:19:51,495 They used me as Mata Hari. 1445 01:19:51,536 --> 01:19:53,455 They used me to go after 1446 01:19:53,497 --> 01:19:55,749 the counterculture lawyers. 1447 01:19:55,791 --> 01:19:59,503 [Agent] Call being made by SR14X037 to George Chula's office. 1448 01:20:04,883 --> 01:20:06,802 [Joanna] 1449 01:20:06,843 --> 01:20:07,844 [George Chula] 1450 01:20:07,886 --> 01:20:10,138 -[Joanna] -[Chula] 1451 01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:12,349 [Joanna] 1452 01:20:17,854 --> 01:20:19,397 So, I had dinner with him. 1453 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,651 I asked him if the next time we got together 1454 01:20:22,692 --> 01:20:25,028 he could bring me a gram of cocaine. 1455 01:20:26,238 --> 01:20:29,324 And when we had dinner, I was wired. 1456 01:20:29,366 --> 01:20:32,118 They put a box on my leg, 1457 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,539 chose very sexy clothes for me, 1458 01:20:35,580 --> 01:20:39,084 and they recorded the conversation. 1459 01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:43,547 I behaved very femme fatale, 1460 01:20:44,714 --> 01:20:47,133 extremely flirtatious, 1461 01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:48,552 seductive, 1462 01:20:48,593 --> 01:20:51,680 and dangerous. 1463 01:20:51,721 --> 01:20:54,766 You can have me, but you can't keep me. 1464 01:20:58,770 --> 01:21:00,730 [Joanna] 1465 01:21:02,065 --> 01:21:03,650 [Chula] 1466 01:21:05,193 --> 01:21:07,237 [Joanna] 1467 01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:09,531 [Chula] 1468 01:21:09,573 --> 01:21:10,991 [Joanna] 1469 01:21:13,618 --> 01:21:16,413 -[Chula] -[Joanna] 1470 01:21:16,454 --> 01:21:19,249 [Chula] 1471 01:21:19,291 --> 01:21:20,917 -[Joanna] -[Chula] 1472 01:21:20,959 --> 01:21:22,794 -[Joanna] -[Chula] 1473 01:21:25,839 --> 01:21:27,424 [Joanna] 1474 01:21:30,844 --> 01:21:33,597 -[Chula] -[Joanna] 1475 01:21:33,638 --> 01:21:35,265 [hangs up] 1476 01:21:35,307 --> 01:21:40,103 And it was kind of the same thing as with Franklin. 1477 01:21:40,145 --> 01:21:44,441 They got two rooms at the Disneyland Hotel. 1478 01:21:44,482 --> 01:21:46,610 In one room, they had all their machines 1479 01:21:46,651 --> 01:21:48,528 and setups and all of that. 1480 01:21:48,570 --> 01:21:52,866 I was supposed to receive Chula in the other room. 1481 01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,868 He said to me on the phone 1482 01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:57,913 he stopped somewhere, 1483 01:21:57,954 --> 01:22:00,290 and a lifeguard on the beach 1484 01:22:00,332 --> 01:22:03,460 said to him that he had a walkie-talkie... 1485 01:22:04,502 --> 01:22:06,463 and there were federal agents, 1486 01:22:06,504 --> 01:22:09,090 and they were having an incredible conversation 1487 01:22:09,132 --> 01:22:11,343 about how they were going to bust him. 1488 01:22:13,386 --> 01:22:16,681 And this lifeguard on the beach 1489 01:22:16,723 --> 01:22:19,809 had picked up the signal, 1490 01:22:19,851 --> 01:22:21,811 and they were overjubilant 1491 01:22:21,853 --> 01:22:25,941 that they were going to arrest Timothy Leary's lawyer. 1492 01:22:25,982 --> 01:22:28,443 So in the end, he never came. 1493 01:22:30,236 --> 01:22:33,865 But on the night that we were at the restaurant, 1494 01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:37,202 he had given me a little cocaine, 1495 01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:40,538 and I turned that over to the agents. 1496 01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:42,999 The main agent's name was 1497 01:22:43,041 --> 01:22:46,294 Donald E. Strange. 1498 01:22:46,336 --> 01:22:48,672 This is Dr. Timothy Leary. 1499 01:22:48,713 --> 01:22:49,923 How are you? 1500 01:22:49,965 --> 01:22:51,466 Hello, Don. 1501 01:22:51,508 --> 01:22:53,843 We're going to talk a little bit about, uh, 1502 01:22:53,885 --> 01:22:57,430 Dr. Leary and the things he's been doing, uh, 1503 01:22:57,472 --> 01:22:59,641 since 1960. 1504 01:22:59,683 --> 01:23:02,268 And just how he-- 1505 01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:04,938 he came to the Drug Enforcement Administration. 1506 01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:07,691 [Leary] Well, I had been away from the United States 1507 01:23:07,732 --> 01:23:09,943 for about two-and-a-half years. 1508 01:23:09,985 --> 01:23:12,028 And when the plane landed 1509 01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:13,863 on the Los Angeles runway, 1510 01:23:13,905 --> 01:23:15,865 the first person I met was Don Strange, 1511 01:23:15,907 --> 01:23:18,702 who welcomed me with handcuffs. 1512 01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:20,161 I felt basically relieved 1513 01:23:20,203 --> 01:23:21,538 uh, to be back. 1514 01:23:21,579 --> 01:23:23,748 I felt that the work I had to do 1515 01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:27,168 and the process of reconciliation 1516 01:23:27,210 --> 01:23:30,213 and of dialogue of constructive activity 1517 01:23:30,255 --> 01:23:31,715 that had to be done 1518 01:23:31,756 --> 01:23:33,383 was going to take place here. 1519 01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:35,885 [birds chirping] 1520 01:23:38,263 --> 01:23:40,098 [Joanna] They moved Timothy 1521 01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:44,894 to the rural prison 1522 01:23:44,936 --> 01:23:47,439 near Sacramento. 1523 01:23:49,065 --> 01:23:53,319 I wasn't allowed to go out of my apartment, 1524 01:23:53,361 --> 01:23:56,740 except with a federal agent. 1525 01:23:56,781 --> 01:24:00,160 They said that it was dangerous for me. 1526 01:24:01,619 --> 01:24:04,581 They decided they should change my name. 1527 01:24:06,082 --> 01:24:07,542 So one day, 1528 01:24:07,584 --> 01:24:10,420 this big, tall U.S. Marshal said, 1529 01:24:10,462 --> 01:24:13,048 "Now your name from now on will be 1530 01:24:13,089 --> 01:24:16,176 Virginia Church." 1531 01:24:16,217 --> 01:24:18,178 [Errol] What was Leary's name? 1532 01:24:18,219 --> 01:24:19,679 [Joanna] Charlie Thrush. 1533 01:24:20,972 --> 01:24:23,266 And they published in Newsweek 1534 01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:27,103 that Timothy had became a snitch, 1535 01:24:27,145 --> 01:24:29,481 a government informant. 1536 01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:33,234 I thought-- 1537 01:24:33,276 --> 01:24:37,781 I was trying to get Timothy out of prison, 1538 01:24:37,822 --> 01:24:41,743 but they used me to discredit him. 1539 01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:44,954 [man] This is a press conference that I wish 1540 01:24:44,996 --> 01:24:46,581 was not taking place. 1541 01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:49,417 It is a symptom of the credibility crisis 1542 01:24:49,459 --> 01:24:52,253 in America symbolized by Watergate 1543 01:24:52,295 --> 01:24:55,882 and President Ford's pardoning of Richard Nixon. 1544 01:24:55,924 --> 01:24:58,343 There's a straight line between Watergate 1545 01:24:58,384 --> 01:24:59,886 and Timothy Leary. 1546 01:24:59,928 --> 01:25:02,305 The very same Justice Department 1547 01:25:02,347 --> 01:25:05,642 has both forced and persuaded 1548 01:25:05,683 --> 01:25:08,728 Timothy Leary to lie and fabricate 1549 01:25:08,770 --> 01:25:11,898 elaborate stories to get out of jail. 1550 01:25:11,940 --> 01:25:14,651 Leary's new girlfriend, Joanna Harcourt-Smith, 1551 01:25:14,692 --> 01:25:18,321 declared that Leary would not remain in prison. 1552 01:25:18,363 --> 01:25:20,323 Harcourt-Smith said that Leary was willing 1553 01:25:20,365 --> 01:25:22,575 to make a deal with the government. 1554 01:25:22,617 --> 01:25:26,454 [Joanna] When Timothy was in this rural prison, 1555 01:25:26,496 --> 01:25:28,623 they moved me from the apartment 1556 01:25:28,665 --> 01:25:30,750 into the home 1557 01:25:30,792 --> 01:25:33,128 of the U.S. Marshal-- 1558 01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:36,840 Art Van Court and his wife Marcia. 1559 01:25:36,881 --> 01:25:41,719 Although they're keeping me in protective custody, 1560 01:25:41,761 --> 01:25:45,098 it felt kind of good to have home-cooked meals 1561 01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:47,350 and be with a regular family. 1562 01:25:49,018 --> 01:25:53,773 One day, I went to see Timothy at the small jail, 1563 01:25:53,815 --> 01:25:57,777 and as we were embracing, he whispered, 1564 01:25:57,819 --> 01:25:59,154 "G-U-N." 1565 01:25:59,195 --> 01:26:02,073 Because what if they read his lips? 1566 01:26:04,075 --> 01:26:06,327 I said to Dennis, 1567 01:26:06,369 --> 01:26:09,205 "Where can I find a gun?" 1568 01:26:09,247 --> 01:26:11,708 He took me to this garage... 1569 01:26:12,750 --> 01:26:14,961 just like in the movies. 1570 01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:19,007 Greasy man with his jumpsuit. 1571 01:26:19,048 --> 01:26:21,801 I thought I had to play the game, 1572 01:26:21,843 --> 01:26:24,554 and I sat on his lap. 1573 01:26:24,596 --> 01:26:27,307 I gave him $100, 1574 01:26:27,348 --> 01:26:29,601 and he gave me a little gun. 1575 01:26:30,768 --> 01:26:32,395 I couldn't take it anymore-- 1576 01:26:32,437 --> 01:26:34,063 the snitching 1577 01:26:34,105 --> 01:26:35,899 and the setting people up. 1578 01:26:35,940 --> 01:26:39,068 I was ready to kill everybody. 1579 01:26:40,528 --> 01:26:44,991 In the beginning, when Timothy escaped, 1580 01:26:45,033 --> 01:26:49,120 the Weathermen took him to a safe house 1581 01:26:49,162 --> 01:26:51,080 in Oregon. 1582 01:26:51,122 --> 01:26:54,959 The FBI wanted Timothy to show them 1583 01:26:55,001 --> 01:26:58,254 where the safe house was. 1584 01:26:58,296 --> 01:27:01,174 And we had to drive through San Francisco, 1585 01:27:01,216 --> 01:27:02,884 I don't know why. 1586 01:27:03,843 --> 01:27:06,262 And all of a sudden, 1587 01:27:06,304 --> 01:27:09,724 this huge .357 Magnum 1588 01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:12,936 comes floating under the seat, 1589 01:27:12,977 --> 01:27:15,730 right to Timothy's foot. 1590 01:27:15,772 --> 01:27:18,608 And I thought, "This is meant to be." 1591 01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:20,401 Now we have two guns, 1592 01:27:20,443 --> 01:27:22,028 and we're going to be free. 1593 01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:28,993 And he was reading the San Francisco Chronicle. 1594 01:27:32,997 --> 01:27:34,540 And he wrapped the gun up, 1595 01:27:34,582 --> 01:27:37,710 and he handed it back over to the agent. 1596 01:27:37,752 --> 01:27:39,587 Somehow I realized that 1597 01:27:39,629 --> 01:27:41,881 this was just a dream, 1598 01:27:41,923 --> 01:27:44,133 a crazy, maniac, 1599 01:27:44,175 --> 01:27:46,135 insane dream. 1600 01:27:49,180 --> 01:27:52,976 So we proceeded through the forests of Oregon. 1601 01:27:53,017 --> 01:27:54,769 We got out of the car 1602 01:27:54,811 --> 01:27:56,187 and Timothy said to me, 1603 01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:59,399 "Do you realize that if we kill them, 1604 01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:03,111 we'll have to kill everybody we meet 1605 01:28:03,152 --> 01:28:04,988 until they kill us." 1606 01:28:05,029 --> 01:28:07,699 And at that moment, I lifted my head 1607 01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:11,286 and the FBI agent was right in front of us. 1608 01:28:11,327 --> 01:28:13,997 And he said, 1609 01:28:14,038 --> 01:28:16,666 "Do you mind if I shoot you?" 1610 01:28:16,708 --> 01:28:17,959 [laughs] 1611 01:28:22,505 --> 01:28:25,341 [Errol] Did you ever find the Weathermen house? 1612 01:28:27,719 --> 01:28:29,554 I don't remember. 1613 01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:34,017 At some point, 1614 01:28:34,058 --> 01:28:35,685 Dennis became so annoying 1615 01:28:35,727 --> 01:28:40,481 about the fact that I should be only with him, 1616 01:28:40,523 --> 01:28:42,942 he wrote a letter 1617 01:28:42,984 --> 01:28:45,236 to the U.S. Marshal saying 1618 01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:48,906 that I'd been having sex with him. 1619 01:28:48,948 --> 01:28:51,951 My love for Timothy was untrue. 1620 01:28:51,993 --> 01:28:54,537 It was like my world collapsed. 1621 01:28:56,289 --> 01:28:58,416 I went back to Marbella, 1622 01:28:58,458 --> 01:29:01,461 to my mother's house, 1623 01:29:01,502 --> 01:29:04,255 and one day Dennis showed up at the door. 1624 01:29:08,343 --> 01:29:10,887 He asked my mother if he could marry me. 1625 01:29:12,513 --> 01:29:16,934 My mother said, "Who do you think you are? 1626 01:29:16,976 --> 01:29:19,354 The son of a hairdresser? 1627 01:29:19,395 --> 01:29:22,231 Never in the world!" 1628 01:29:27,570 --> 01:29:29,906 A couple of days later, 1629 01:29:29,947 --> 01:29:33,576 I was going to a fabulous party. 1630 01:29:33,618 --> 01:29:37,288 Adnan Khashoggi gave me a couple of Quaaludes. 1631 01:29:38,289 --> 01:29:39,999 From then on, 1632 01:29:40,041 --> 01:29:43,878 I'm not quite sure what I did. [laughs] 1633 01:29:45,338 --> 01:29:49,592 But the next morning, I called my mother. 1634 01:29:49,634 --> 01:29:52,095 She said, "Dennis is dead." 1635 01:29:55,264 --> 01:29:56,682 I felt he was killed. 1636 01:29:56,724 --> 01:29:59,519 You know, don't ask me for any proof. 1637 01:30:00,686 --> 01:30:03,147 I went to his room. 1638 01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:05,233 There were pills, 1639 01:30:05,274 --> 01:30:08,069 but they were half full. 1640 01:30:08,111 --> 01:30:11,614 And that really set off a bug in my ear. 1641 01:30:13,282 --> 01:30:15,159 Then there was his diary. 1642 01:30:16,911 --> 01:30:19,122 The last words were, 1643 01:30:20,289 --> 01:30:22,250 [reading] 1644 01:30:24,919 --> 01:30:26,212 ["Just Like a Woman" by Bob Dylan playing] 1645 01:30:26,254 --> 01:30:29,549 Please don't let on 1646 01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:31,801 That you knew me when 1647 01:30:31,843 --> 01:30:33,761 I was hungry 1648 01:30:33,803 --> 01:30:36,848 And it was your world 1649 01:30:38,099 --> 01:30:40,393 Ah, you fake 1650 01:30:40,435 --> 01:30:42,979 Just like a woman 1651 01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:45,064 Yes, you do 1652 01:30:45,106 --> 01:30:46,482 You make love 1653 01:30:46,524 --> 01:30:49,402 Just like a woman 1654 01:30:49,444 --> 01:30:51,112 Yes, you do 1655 01:30:51,154 --> 01:30:56,159 Then you ache just like a woman 1656 01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:01,998 But you break just like a little girl 1657 01:31:02,039 --> 01:31:03,499 [Joanna] One day, 1658 01:31:03,541 --> 01:31:07,336 after a little over three and a half years, 1659 01:31:07,378 --> 01:31:09,338 he got out of prison. 1660 01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:12,008 [onlooker] Neurology lives! 1661 01:31:12,049 --> 01:31:13,885 [reporter] How you feel, Tim? 1662 01:31:13,926 --> 01:31:15,344 -I feel beautiful. -Great. 1663 01:31:15,386 --> 01:31:18,139 I want to thank Joanna and Mr. Milano 1664 01:31:18,181 --> 01:31:21,684 and all my friends who helped me get out. 1665 01:31:21,726 --> 01:31:23,853 And to those who didn't help, 1666 01:31:23,895 --> 01:31:25,521 I want to be reassuring, 1667 01:31:25,563 --> 01:31:27,356 it's all going to work out all right. 1668 01:31:27,398 --> 01:31:28,691 And in particular, 1669 01:31:28,733 --> 01:31:30,818 I want to send a message of support 1670 01:31:30,860 --> 01:31:34,113 to Andrei Sakharov, who's doing the same thing in Russia. 1671 01:31:38,409 --> 01:31:40,203 [onlookers] Have a good time! 1672 01:31:41,537 --> 01:31:43,706 - [clapping] - Bless you, Tim. 1673 01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:49,504 I had reserved a room at the Valencia Hotel 1674 01:31:49,545 --> 01:31:52,548 in La Jolla. 1675 01:31:52,590 --> 01:31:55,843 We went to the restaurant in the hotel, 1676 01:31:55,885 --> 01:31:59,472 and I think he must have ordered everything that was on the menu. 1677 01:32:01,224 --> 01:32:02,975 He was a very elegant man, 1678 01:32:03,017 --> 01:32:06,479 but I'll tell you, that night, he was eating like a pig. 1679 01:32:06,521 --> 01:32:10,900 It was a joy to see him taste real life again. 1680 01:32:10,942 --> 01:32:12,568 We went to bed, 1681 01:32:12,610 --> 01:32:15,071 and in the morning, there was a big... 1682 01:32:15,112 --> 01:32:17,865 -[knocking] -...loud knock on the door. 1683 01:32:17,907 --> 01:32:21,410 It was the U.S. Marshals again. 1684 01:32:21,452 --> 01:32:24,914 "We need to put you in the Witness Protection Program 1685 01:32:24,956 --> 01:32:26,624 because otherwise 1686 01:32:26,666 --> 01:32:29,335 you're going to end up on a slab." 1687 01:32:31,504 --> 01:32:36,759 They said to Timothy, "We're going to relocate you in Salt Lake City." 1688 01:32:36,801 --> 01:32:38,427 And he didn't miss a beat: 1689 01:32:38,469 --> 01:32:41,138 "Do you think you could change that for Santa Fe?" 1690 01:32:41,180 --> 01:32:43,432 And they started making calls. 1691 01:32:43,474 --> 01:32:45,810 Santa Fe it was. 1692 01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:52,525 We were in an "A"-frame cabin out in the wilderness. 1693 01:32:54,735 --> 01:32:57,780 No electricity, no gas. 1694 01:32:57,822 --> 01:32:59,782 That was very unfamiliar to me. 1695 01:32:59,824 --> 01:33:03,286 I mean, to this day I've never camped. 1696 01:33:03,327 --> 01:33:05,246 I'm a Parisian. 1697 01:33:05,288 --> 01:33:06,956 [laughs] 1698 01:33:06,998 --> 01:33:10,293 All I knew was, lie in the forest naked 1699 01:33:10,334 --> 01:33:12,962 and get brown under the sun. 1700 01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:20,636 I'm fond of saying that I became a better Timothy Leary 1701 01:33:20,678 --> 01:33:23,431 than Timothy Leary himself. 1702 01:33:23,472 --> 01:33:26,767 I had traveled to colleges... 1703 01:33:28,561 --> 01:33:29,979 given lectures, 1704 01:33:30,021 --> 01:33:32,648 shown the Folsom film, 1705 01:33:32,690 --> 01:33:35,818 pleaded for his release. 1706 01:33:35,860 --> 01:33:40,031 I wonder if there was room for two Timothy Learys. 1707 01:33:40,072 --> 01:33:42,533 One night, 1708 01:33:42,575 --> 01:33:44,493 we had a terrible fight. 1709 01:33:51,375 --> 01:33:54,128 And in the morning he was gone. 1710 01:33:57,340 --> 01:34:00,676 To this day, I don't understand it. 1711 01:34:03,054 --> 01:34:05,264 We never got back together. 1712 01:34:09,477 --> 01:34:11,270 I thought 1713 01:34:11,312 --> 01:34:14,106 he would protect me 1714 01:34:14,148 --> 01:34:16,192 for the rest of my life. 1715 01:34:19,153 --> 01:34:21,238 I thought I was safe. 1716 01:34:24,492 --> 01:34:27,036 And I don't know why he went away. 1717 01:34:47,181 --> 01:34:49,225 Every year that goes by, 1718 01:34:49,266 --> 01:34:51,519 I love my mother more. 1719 01:34:52,978 --> 01:34:57,566 My mother smoked these Winstons endlessly. 1720 01:34:59,276 --> 01:35:01,654 She had a big tumor 1721 01:35:01,696 --> 01:35:04,156 between her lungs. 1722 01:35:04,198 --> 01:35:06,242 It was inoperable. 1723 01:35:07,243 --> 01:35:10,287 I made her go to Mercy Hospital. 1724 01:35:12,957 --> 01:35:17,169 And she said, "This is a very, very bad hotel. 1725 01:35:17,211 --> 01:35:19,255 I want you to pack the suitcases, 1726 01:35:19,296 --> 01:35:21,298 and we're leaving. 1727 01:35:25,094 --> 01:35:28,055 This is the worst hotel I've been in. 1728 01:35:28,097 --> 01:35:30,266 And open everything." 1729 01:35:31,392 --> 01:35:33,436 I opened the windows, 1730 01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:35,771 I opened the door. 1731 01:35:36,814 --> 01:35:38,524 I was holding her hand. 1732 01:35:39,608 --> 01:35:42,278 And it was clear to me the moment 1733 01:35:42,319 --> 01:35:44,947 she stopped breathing. 1734 01:35:46,323 --> 01:35:49,452 She took a breath, but there was no exhale. 1735 01:35:51,746 --> 01:35:54,415 And then this one tear 1736 01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:56,792 came rolling down her cheek. 1737 01:35:58,210 --> 01:36:00,463 One question I have to ask you 1738 01:36:00,504 --> 01:36:03,966 which I'm sure everyone is asking you themselves, 1739 01:36:04,008 --> 01:36:06,051 and that is, Why? 1740 01:36:06,093 --> 01:36:07,386 Why are you doing this? 1741 01:36:07,428 --> 01:36:09,972 Why are you working with DEA, 1742 01:36:10,014 --> 01:36:13,476 the government, at this point? 1743 01:36:13,517 --> 01:36:15,311 I can understand that there might be 1744 01:36:15,352 --> 01:36:17,730 some skepticism that I'm simply here 1745 01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:19,648 talking to you because 1746 01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:21,650 I'm under prison sentence. 1747 01:36:21,692 --> 01:36:24,737 I want to reassure everyone that I'm not brainwashed. 1748 01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:28,157 No promises have been made to me 1749 01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:30,075 by any law enforcement agency. 1750 01:36:30,117 --> 01:36:33,162 The future is much too important 1751 01:36:33,204 --> 01:36:35,581 to be ruled by the past. 1752 01:36:37,041 --> 01:36:38,834 The war is over, and I'm glad, 1753 01:36:38,876 --> 01:36:41,796 and I'm ready for a long period of, uh, 1754 01:36:41,837 --> 01:36:43,672 harmonious peace. 1755 01:36:48,928 --> 01:36:50,346 I have nothing else. 1756 01:36:50,387 --> 01:36:53,724 [agent] That was a-- that was a good ending. 1757 01:36:53,766 --> 01:36:56,185 Two years ago, 1758 01:36:56,227 --> 01:36:59,313 I received an email 1759 01:36:59,355 --> 01:37:01,315 from somebody who said, 1760 01:37:01,357 --> 01:37:03,025 "My mother died, 1761 01:37:03,067 --> 01:37:05,820 and I have a bunch of boxes 1762 01:37:05,861 --> 01:37:07,488 that belonged to you. 1763 01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:09,698 Would you like me to send them to you?" 1764 01:37:11,325 --> 01:37:17,373 He wrote me these divine letters in prison, 1765 01:37:17,414 --> 01:37:19,542 and I had lost them. 1766 01:37:19,583 --> 01:37:24,129 And I felt really, really ashamed. 1767 01:37:24,171 --> 01:37:25,714 I was rather broke, 1768 01:37:25,756 --> 01:37:27,967 but not broken at the time. 1769 01:37:30,386 --> 01:37:33,138 And sure enough, the 130 letters 1770 01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:35,307 that he had written to me were there 1771 01:37:35,349 --> 01:37:38,060 in that yellow folder I put them in. 1772 01:37:38,102 --> 01:37:42,523 And there were four reel-to-reel tapes 1773 01:37:42,565 --> 01:37:46,652 that a psychologist in Vacaville 1774 01:37:46,694 --> 01:37:48,696 had brought these tapes to me 1775 01:37:48,737 --> 01:37:52,741 and said, "Timothy wants you to have these and keep them." 1776 01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:59,498 And at the time I was so busy with the real Timothy, 1777 01:37:59,540 --> 01:38:02,585 I didn't listen to the tapes. 1778 01:38:02,626 --> 01:38:05,004 So I spent all last winter 1779 01:38:05,045 --> 01:38:07,923 listening to ten hours. 1780 01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:12,553 He was very brilliant, you see. 1781 01:38:13,721 --> 01:38:16,181 He actually got himself 1782 01:38:16,223 --> 01:38:18,142 moved to Vacaville. 1783 01:38:21,020 --> 01:38:23,439 He seduced 1784 01:38:23,480 --> 01:38:27,276 two psychologists there, a man and a woman. 1785 01:38:27,318 --> 01:38:29,194 At a certain point... 1786 01:38:30,613 --> 01:38:32,448 he says, 1787 01:38:32,489 --> 01:38:35,326 "Well, what are they going to do with me?" 1788 01:38:38,162 --> 01:38:40,956 Wesley Hiler says, 1789 01:38:40,998 --> 01:38:43,542 "We're going to drug you more and more, 1790 01:38:43,584 --> 01:38:46,795 put you in a special section in San Quentin... 1791 01:38:49,089 --> 01:38:51,175 where we keep people 1792 01:38:51,216 --> 01:38:52,676 who've lost their mind." 1793 01:38:52,718 --> 01:38:57,056 And I firmly believe that the next Thursday, 1794 01:38:57,097 --> 01:39:01,268 he said, "Call the FBI, tell them I'm ready." 1795 01:39:01,310 --> 01:39:05,272 What a life would it be for him to live without his mind? 1796 01:39:07,399 --> 01:39:09,401 So after 40 years, 1797 01:39:09,443 --> 01:39:12,154 for me the mystery is solved. 1798 01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:35,844 My ego was pulverized 1799 01:39:35,886 --> 01:39:38,722 by this adventure. 1800 01:39:42,309 --> 01:39:44,645 I was insane, I knew it. 1801 01:39:46,981 --> 01:39:50,150 But I wasn't going to let anybody lock me up. 1802 01:39:54,071 --> 01:39:56,490 And I was smart enough 1803 01:39:56,532 --> 01:39:58,659 to go down to the Caribbean, 1804 01:39:58,701 --> 01:40:00,703 buy a sailboat, 1805 01:40:00,744 --> 01:40:03,288 and sail for a long time. 1806 01:40:05,749 --> 01:40:08,419 The ocean rebuilt me. 1807 01:40:11,005 --> 01:40:14,717 There was something bigger than me. 1808 01:40:19,221 --> 01:40:21,056 [theme music plays]