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<i>[anticipatory string music]</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>- I remember it was Sunday
morning after Thanksgiving.</i>

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<i>I was 11 years old,</i>

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<i>and I had spent the night</i>

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<i>at my best friend Tracy's
house.</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>The clock radio went off
and woke me up,</i>

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<i>and I heard a news report say</i>

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<i>my mom's body was found
off the coast of Catalina.</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>The next thing I knew,
my stepdad's driver</i>

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<i>was there with our nanny,
Willie Mae.</i>

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<i>They had come to pick me up
and take me home.</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>It had rained,
and the streets were wet,</i>

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<i>and I was asking,
"Is Mommy okay?"</i>

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<i>But they were
just comforting me,</i>

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<i>and they weren't really
telling me what happened.</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>When I got home,
I got into my mom's bed</i>

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<i>and tried to comfort myself.</i>

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<i>I said, "Maybe she just has
a broken leg</i>

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<i>or something like that."</i>

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<i>Then my stepdad came back.</i>

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<i>I went down the steps,
and I could tell,</i>

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just when I looked
at his face,

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that something awful
had happened.

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>The day my mom died,
my entire world was shattered,</i>

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<i>and our family
has never been the same.</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>Since then, there's been
so much speculation</i>

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<i>and focus on how she died</i>

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<i>that it's overshadowed
her life's work</i>

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<i>and who she was
as a person.</i>

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I'm Natasha Gregson Wagner,

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and my mom was Natalie Wood.

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<i>[gentle orchestral waltz]</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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- Hello, Natalie.
- Oh, hello again.

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Please sit down.
- Thank you.

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How's the food?

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- Best location food
I ever ate.

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- Well, I must say,
you certainly seem

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to thrive on it.

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- Well, I was brought up on it.

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I've been eating lunch
on the set

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since I was four years old.

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- That's correct.
Natalie's a movie veteran.

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Been in pictures since 1941.
Is that correct?

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- That's right.

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<i>My original real name</i>

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<i>was Natalia Nikolaevna
Zakharenko.</i>

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<i>Zakharenko was always
being mispronounced.</i>

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<i>It was very difficult,
so my parents</i>

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<i>changed their name to Gurdin,</i>

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<i>and then that
got mispronounced a lot,</i>

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<i>so when I was five years old</i>

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<i>and William Goetz
put me into my first film,</i>

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<i>he that that Gurdin
was not a good name,</i>

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<i>and at this point,
I was being called Natasha,</i>

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<i>which is really a nickname
for Natalia,</i>

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<i>so he chose Natalie,
and then he chose Wood</i>

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<i>in honor of his friend
Sam Wood, the director.</i>

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<i>So that's how I got named.</i>

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Oh, daisies
on your coffeepot!

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They're my favorite flower.

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<i>- With Natalie Wood,</i>

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<i>one of the most fascinating
things about her is,</i>

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<i>generations of people
watched her grow up,</i>

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<i>and so it was congruent</i>

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<i>with what was happening
with their own development.</i>

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- No, Mom.
We haven't gone too far.

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- When you're an adolescent,
you're a very different person

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than you were when you were
five years old,

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<i>and she certainly was that
but on steroids,</i>

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<i>'cause she was a movie star.</i>

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- Wish me luck!

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I'm gonna make a noise
in the world!

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<i>- The business she was in
is a tough business,</i>

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and to survive
in that business,

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you had to have
a tough side to you,

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and so I think she had
to develop that.

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<i>But it wasn't comfortable.</i>

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<i>What she really wanted to do
was to laugh and have fun</i>

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<i>and just be a regular person.</i>

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<i>But mainly,
she had a big heart,</i>

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and that showed up
in her work.

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- You can't pinpoint what it is
that draws you to a character.

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You just suddenly say,
"I know her.

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I know that I can make her
be real."

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<i>- People knew she was smart
and incredibly well-organized,</i>

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<i>and in a town
where women were</i>

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not always respected,

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not in their work
and not socially,

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<i>she was an exception.</i>

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[bell rings]
<i>She knew how it should be lit,</i>

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<i>she knew how the sound
should be,</i>

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<i>she knew how she should look,</i>

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<i>and she sure knew how to give
a great performance.</i>

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- I know this may come
as a great big shock

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to the both of you,

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but underneath
all this hair and skin

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is a human girl

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with all the regular things
going for me,

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and believe it or not,

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I don't want to spend
the rest of my life

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married to a man
who's doing me a big favor!

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Primarily, I'm an actress,
and I think that at the point

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when you're a star,

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mainly, I was thinking
of the work,

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not of the stardom
that follows it.

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<i>I've enjoyed the part
where you act,</i>

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<i>where the red light goes on
and the camera rolls</i>

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<i>and you really can do
your work,</i>

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<i>and in the film business,
there are so many other things</i>

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<i>that enter
into making it possible</i>

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<i>for those moments</i>

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where you just are able
to do your craft

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without the interference
of a lot of other things.

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>- I always knew
that she was an actor,</i>

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<i>but, you know,
around the house,</i>

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<i>my mom didn't wear
a lot of makeup,</i>

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<i>and she was very casual,</i>

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<i>so I would look at her
and think,</i>

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"What is--what's the big deal
about you, lady?"

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<i>But then she and my stepdad
would get dressed up,</i>

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<i>and they would go out
to dinner or something,</i>

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<i>and she was amazing-looking.</i>

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<i>But we weren't raised
by someone</i>

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<i>who seemed like a movie star
at all.</i>

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<i>All she just seemed
was sort of larger than life</i>

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<i>but not because
she was famous,</i>

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more because she was just her.

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>- I was seven
when she passed away,</i>

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and I feel like my memories
of her

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are just ever-evolving.

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<i>You know, there's
her beautiful face</i>

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<i>and her voice
and her hands</i>

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<i>and all those things
that I remember.</i>

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<i>But when I try to think
of my mom now,</i>

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it's so hard;
like, I will literally

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come across a picture,
and I'll just look at it,

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and I'll look at it
a little bit more, thinking,

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<i>"Is that really my mom?</i>

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<i>How is it that she's my mom?"</i>

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I just have
this famous mother,

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and she's like
this mythology character.

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I--you know.

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<i>I hope one day,
I'll get to a place</i>

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<i>where I can really access
the true feeling</i>

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<i>that this was my mother,
that I came from her</i>

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<i>and that she was mine</i>

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for a short time, you know?

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Like, I feel like

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it's just been very hard
to hold on to that.

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<i>- I have two fathers.</i>

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<i>My biological father
is Richard Gregson.</i>

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<i>I call him Daddy Gregson.</i>

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<i>My stepfather
is Robert Wagner,</i>

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<i>who everyone calls RJ,</i>

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<i>and I call him
Daddy Wagner.</i>

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<i>My mom was the one
that started calling them</i>

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<i>Daddy Gregson
and Daddy Wagner</i>

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<i>to clarify who was who
in case people got confused.</i>

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[laughs] And then it's just
nicknames that have stuck.

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<i>From the age of two,
I was primarily raised</i>

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<i>by my Daddy Wagner,</i>

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<i>and in all that time,</i>

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<i>he treated me
like his own blood.</i>

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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So, Dad,
I just want to say

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that I'm really excited
to talk to you about my mom...

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- Yes, I am too.

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- And everything
we've been through,

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<i>the highs and the lows,</i>

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<i>how we've always stayed</i>

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<i>connected
through all of it.</i>

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- I don't think there's a day

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that has ever gone by
in my life that

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there hasn't been a moment

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that I haven't thought
about Natalie

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<i>and how much
she meant to me</i>

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<i>in my heart
and in my soul.</i>

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<i>We started so young.</i>

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<i>To see her evolve
over the years</i>

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<i>into the woman that she was</i>

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<i>was very special.</i>

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- How did you two meet?
I want to hear both versions.

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- Well, actually,
when I was ten years old

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and RJ was about 18,
I guess,

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when you were first
under contract,

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I remember walking down
the hallway with my mother,

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and I saw him,
and I said to my mother,

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"When I grow up,
I wish that I could marry him."

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- Did you really?
- I really did.

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- Did you really know
that she...

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- Well, I didn't know it then.

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It sure could've saved me
a lot of trouble,

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I'll tell you.

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[laughter]

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- Could I ask for your
version of when you met?

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- When I came
into Natalie's life,

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I was sort of
a Happy Jack Squirrel kid,

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you know, with nothing
on my mind much but my hair

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and...
[laughter]

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She sort of resisted me
a bit, actually,

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at the beginning, because--
- I did?

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- I was--yeah, well,
I was so different

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than all the rest of the--
- I don't remember that.

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- Well, yes, you did,
and then I finally started

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taking you--I remember
I took you out on--

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- On my 18th birthday, mm-hmm.
- On your 18th birthday.

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<i>I took her out
on her birthday,</i>

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<i>July 20, 1956.</i>

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<i>I had done a picture</i>

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with Spencer Tracy
called "The Mountain,"

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<i>and we went to the premiere,
and that sort of started it.</i>

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<i>- Everybody knew
about Robert Wagner,</i>

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and my dad
had introduced me to RJ

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when I was maybe nine

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<i>when he did "Prince Valiant,"</i>

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<i>which was, at the time,
my favorite movie,</i>

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<i>and there he was,
Prince Valiant.</i>

233
00:09:37,542 --> 00:09:39,000
<i>There was
nobody handsomer.</i>

234
00:09:39,083 --> 00:09:41,918
And he was so kind to me.

235
00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,876
<i>- On December 6, 1957,
I made a reservation</i>

236
00:09:45,959 --> 00:09:47,459
<i>at a restaurant
in Beverly Hills</i>

237
00:09:47,542 --> 00:09:49,334
<i>called Romanoff's.</i>

238
00:09:49,417 --> 00:09:51,334
Man, I got Natalie down there,

239
00:09:51,417 --> 00:09:53,375
<i>and I opened a bottle
of champagne.</i>

240
00:09:53,459 --> 00:09:55,000
<i>- We had some champagne,</i>

241
00:09:55,083 --> 00:09:57,667
and I suddenly looked
in my glass,

242
00:09:57,751 --> 00:10:00,167
and there was a ring in it,

243
00:10:00,250 --> 00:10:02,042
and I took the ring out
and looked,

244
00:10:02,125 --> 00:10:05,125
and he said, "Look, guys,"
and, "My God, what is this?"

245
00:10:05,209 --> 00:10:06,834
Then he said,
"Look on the inside,"

246
00:10:06,918 --> 00:10:09,292
and it said, "Marry me."

247
00:10:09,375 --> 00:10:11,167
<i>[laughs]
[applause]</i>

248
00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:17,918
<i>♪ ♪</i>

249
00:10:55,584 --> 00:10:59,209
<i>- We got married
in Scottsdale, Arizona,</i>

250
00:10:59,292 --> 00:11:01,834
<i>and I got
a private railroad car.</i>

251
00:11:01,918 --> 00:11:04,292
<i>♪ ♪</i>

252
00:11:04,375 --> 00:11:07,083
<i>After the ceremony,
we went to the private car,</i>

253
00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:09,751
<i>and a big train came by
and picked us up,</i>

254
00:11:09,834 --> 00:11:11,918
and off we went to Chicago.

255
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,876
<i>It was pretty exciting.</i>

256
00:11:13,959 --> 00:11:19,834
<i>♪ ♪</i>

257
00:11:19,918 --> 00:11:21,751
- Maybe we should stay too.

258
00:11:21,834 --> 00:11:23,292
- Well, I think
you ought to go.

259
00:11:23,375 --> 00:11:24,959
I really think you ought to.

260
00:11:25,042 --> 00:11:26,584
Maybe she'll be better
by the morning.

261
00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:28,083
Here.

262
00:11:28,167 --> 00:11:30,042
- Will you come back
to the apartment?

263
00:11:30,125 --> 00:11:32,209
- Yeah, yeah.
It's 695 Park Avenue.

264
00:11:32,292 --> 00:11:34,083
Yeah, I'll come back.

265
00:11:34,167 --> 00:11:36,542
<i>- I loved working
with RJ and Natalie.</i>

266
00:11:36,626 --> 00:11:37,667
<i>There was something about her</i>

267
00:11:37,751 --> 00:11:39,417
<i>that was
incredibly ingratiating.</i>

268
00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:42,584
She made you feel important,
not her.

269
00:11:42,667 --> 00:11:44,584
Something that's one
of the tricks of life

270
00:11:44,667 --> 00:11:46,250
<i>and success</i>

271
00:11:46,334 --> 00:11:48,542
<i>is to make other people
feel important</i>

272
00:11:48,626 --> 00:11:50,751
<i>when they're around you,
not because you are</i>

273
00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:51,959
<i>an important person.</i>

274
00:11:52,042 --> 00:11:53,751
<i>- While here,
still enjoying the plaudits</i>

275
00:11:53,834 --> 00:11:55,292
<i>for his
"In Love and War" role,</i>

276
00:11:55,375 --> 00:11:56,500
<i>is Robert Wagner</i>

277
00:11:56,584 --> 00:11:58,000
<i>with his lovely wife,
Natalie Wood.</i>

278
00:11:58,083 --> 00:12:01,375
<i>- The studios were always
anxious to get publicity,</i>

279
00:12:01,459 --> 00:12:02,751
<i>and at that time,</i>

280
00:12:02,834 --> 00:12:05,125
the movie magazines
were the thing--

281
00:12:05,209 --> 00:12:07,334
<i>"Photoplay," "Modern Screen"--</i>

282
00:12:07,417 --> 00:12:09,542
<i>and Natalie and I
were one of the hot things</i>

283
00:12:09,626 --> 00:12:10,626
<i>for the magazines,</i>

284
00:12:10,709 --> 00:12:12,292
<i>so they were very much
involved</i>

285
00:12:12,375 --> 00:12:13,626
<i>in our relationship.</i>

286
00:12:13,709 --> 00:12:16,751
<i>- Nat and RJ
were both major stars,</i>

287
00:12:16,834 --> 00:12:20,083
and I didn't feel like one
was outshining the other.

288
00:12:20,167 --> 00:12:22,918
<i>There's a sort of royalty
to that business,</i>

289
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,209
<i>and RJ and Nat
were that royalty.</i>

290
00:12:26,292 --> 00:12:29,834
<i>♪ ♪</i>

291
00:12:31,375 --> 00:12:34,500
- So why don't we start
by you telling me

292
00:12:34,584 --> 00:12:35,959
how you and my mom met?

293
00:12:36,042 --> 00:12:38,167
- Oh, okay.
[coughs]

294
00:12:38,250 --> 00:12:40,459
Let's see.
How did we meet?

295
00:12:40,542 --> 00:12:44,334
Well, I met your mother
and Daddy Wagner

296
00:12:44,417 --> 00:12:47,083
the same day,
the same moment,

297
00:12:47,167 --> 00:12:51,292
<i>because I was working
for the director Elia Kazan,</i>

298
00:12:51,375 --> 00:12:53,459
<i>and I was
a production assistant</i>

299
00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:55,459
<i>on "Splendor in the Grass."</i>

300
00:12:55,542 --> 00:12:57,626
<i>There, I had to go
and get your mother</i>

301
00:12:57,709 --> 00:12:58,876
<i>every morning.</i>

302
00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:01,417
<i>Therefore,
we talked an awful lot,</i>

303
00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:04,375
and it was clear to me

304
00:13:04,459 --> 00:13:08,000
that there was trouble
in their marriage.

305
00:13:08,083 --> 00:13:09,667
- Mm.

306
00:13:09,751 --> 00:13:12,876
<i>- I discovered that my mom
had written an article</i>

307
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,375
<i>for "Ladies' Home Journal"
in 1966</i>

308
00:13:15,459 --> 00:13:16,876
<i>that was never published.</i>

309
00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:17,876
<i>It was called</i>

310
00:13:17,959 --> 00:13:20,417
<i>"Public Property,
Private Person."</i>

311
00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:23,209
<i>It was amazing
to read this article.</i>

312
00:13:23,292 --> 00:13:25,500
<i>I found out so many things
about my mom's life</i>

313
00:13:25,584 --> 00:13:26,542
<i>that I didn't know,</i>

314
00:13:26,626 --> 00:13:28,667
<i>especially during
a really challenging time</i>

315
00:13:28,751 --> 00:13:30,751
<i>for her.</i>

316
00:13:30,834 --> 00:13:33,292
<i>- "After two years
of marriage,</i>

317
00:13:33,375 --> 00:13:35,209
<i>"things began to change.</i>

318
00:13:35,292 --> 00:13:37,334
<i>"We were aware
that we had problems,</i>

319
00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:40,209
<i>"but we tried to avoid
the real conflicts.</i>

320
00:13:40,292 --> 00:13:43,167
<i>"We maintained a superficially
happy relationship</i>

321
00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:45,834
<i>"and hoped that by pretending
there was nothing wrong,</i>

322
00:13:45,918 --> 00:13:47,792
<i>"the problems would go away.</i>

323
00:13:47,876 --> 00:13:50,542
<i>"How do you separate
reality from illusion</i>

324
00:13:50,626 --> 00:13:54,209
<i>"when you have been trapped
in make-believe all your life?</i>

325
00:13:54,292 --> 00:13:56,792
<i>"Marriage requires patience
and work,</i>

326
00:13:56,876 --> 00:13:59,918
<i>"as well as the capacity
to accept another human being,</i>

327
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,250
<i>"flaws and all,
without cloaking him</i>

328
00:14:02,334 --> 00:14:05,042
<i>in a smothering mantle
of perfection."</i>

329
00:14:06,626 --> 00:14:09,959
<i>- With the pressure of being
this wonderful couple</i>

330
00:14:10,042 --> 00:14:13,500
<i>and the marriage starting
to have difficulties in it,</i>

331
00:14:13,584 --> 00:14:16,083
I could feel it unraveling,
and so could she,

332
00:14:16,167 --> 00:14:17,375
<i>and that time,</i>

333
00:14:17,459 --> 00:14:20,500
<i>her career really started
to catch on fire.</i>

334
00:14:20,584 --> 00:14:22,125
It was like striking a match.

335
00:14:22,209 --> 00:14:24,876
<i>And when she did "Splendor"
with Kazan,</i>

336
00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:27,792
<i>I mean, this was
a dream come true for her.</i>

337
00:14:27,876 --> 00:14:30,667
- "Though nothing
can bring back the hour

338
00:14:30,751 --> 00:14:32,834
"of splendor in the grass,

339
00:14:32,918 --> 00:14:35,292
"glory in the flower,

340
00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:38,000
"we will grieve not,

341
00:14:38,083 --> 00:14:42,167
"rather find the strength

342
00:14:42,250 --> 00:14:46,167
in what remains behind."

343
00:14:46,250 --> 00:14:48,209
<i>- And on that picture,
she knew</i>

344
00:14:48,292 --> 00:14:51,459
that she was not
Kazan's first choice,

345
00:14:51,542 --> 00:14:53,167
<i>and she was out to prove</i>

346
00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:56,292
<i>that she was
a serious actress.</i>

347
00:14:56,375 --> 00:14:58,375
- Miss Metcalf,

348
00:14:58,459 --> 00:15:00,042
may I please be e--

349
00:15:01,167 --> 00:15:03,876
[sobbing]

350
00:15:03,959 --> 00:15:05,792
<i>The opportunity
to work with Kazan</i>

351
00:15:05,876 --> 00:15:07,417
<i>was just fantastic,</i>

352
00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,918
<i>but it was emotionally
a very demanding role,</i>

353
00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,959
and it--I don't know.

354
00:15:12,042 --> 00:15:15,375
It had quite an effect
on my life, I think.

355
00:15:15,459 --> 00:15:18,459
<i>- "As RJ and I struggled
to make our marriage work,</i>

356
00:15:18,542 --> 00:15:21,042
<i>"the problems
continued to pile up.</i>

357
00:15:21,125 --> 00:15:23,584
<i>"After finishing work
on 'Splendor in the Grass,'</i>

358
00:15:23,667 --> 00:15:25,876
<i>"I went directly
into 'West Side Story'</i>

359
00:15:25,959 --> 00:15:29,375
<i>"for another solid
and rigorous eight months.</i>

360
00:15:29,459 --> 00:15:31,709
<i>"The rest of the cast
had been rehearsing together</i>

361
00:15:31,792 --> 00:15:33,918
<i>"for a month
while I finished 'Splendor.'</i>

362
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,375
<i>"Now I had to cram
four weeks of rehearsals</i>

363
00:15:36,459 --> 00:15:37,876
<i>"into weekends.</i>

364
00:15:37,959 --> 00:15:39,167
<i>"I was worn out,</i>

365
00:15:39,250 --> 00:15:41,167
<i>"and I didn't have time
to be the kind of wife</i>

366
00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:42,918
<i>"I wanted to be.</i>

367
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,626
<i>"During this hectic period,</i>

368
00:15:44,709 --> 00:15:46,125
<i>"RJ went through an ordeal</i>

369
00:15:46,209 --> 00:15:48,125
<i>"that all performers,
including myself,</i>

370
00:15:48,209 --> 00:15:49,292
<i>"have to face.</i>

371
00:15:49,375 --> 00:15:51,626
<i>"His career hit
a momentary lull.</i>

372
00:15:51,709 --> 00:15:53,792
<i>"Sometimes I waited
for him to complain</i>

373
00:15:53,876 --> 00:15:55,167
<i>"or start a fight,</i>

374
00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:57,792
<i>"but his calm exterior
remained intact.</i>

375
00:15:57,876 --> 00:16:00,667
<i>His coolness
drove me frantic."</i>

376
00:16:01,918 --> 00:16:05,417
<i>- My career was not igniting
like hers was,</i>

377
00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:08,751
but that wasn't really
a very big factor

378
00:16:08,834 --> 00:16:11,375
<i>in the fact
that we separated</i>

379
00:16:11,459 --> 00:16:12,584
<i>and then finally divorced.</i>

380
00:16:12,667 --> 00:16:15,375
<i>It was the pressure on her
and her career</i>

381
00:16:15,459 --> 00:16:17,375
<i>that caused that, and also,</i>

382
00:16:17,459 --> 00:16:19,167
<i>I think that
I might have been able</i>

383
00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:20,542
<i>to handle it
a little bit better.</i>

384
00:16:20,626 --> 00:16:21,751
<i>If I'd have been
a little bit older</i>

385
00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:23,000
<i>and had more experience,</i>

386
00:16:23,083 --> 00:16:24,375
<i>I might have been able</i>

387
00:16:24,459 --> 00:16:26,000
to have worked it out.

388
00:16:26,083 --> 00:16:28,000
- Any rumors
that you've heard--

389
00:16:28,083 --> 00:16:29,792
I mean, I'm here to say

390
00:16:29,876 --> 00:16:32,667
<i>that Warren Beatty,
who was her costar</i>

391
00:16:32,751 --> 00:16:34,334
<i>in "Splendor in the Grass,"</i>

392
00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:37,667
<i>was not the problem at all,</i>

393
00:16:37,751 --> 00:16:40,375
and there definitely
did not develop

394
00:16:40,459 --> 00:16:42,500
a relationship
between them

395
00:16:42,584 --> 00:16:46,918
until long after
"Splendor" had wrapped.

396
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,083
<i>- We were separated,
and Warren, I think,</i>

397
00:16:49,167 --> 00:16:52,334
<i>was very much taken by her,
and why wouldn't he be?</i>

398
00:16:52,417 --> 00:16:54,250
<i>But that was
a very difficult time</i>

399
00:16:54,334 --> 00:16:56,292
<i>because I was so upset</i>

400
00:16:56,375 --> 00:16:58,417
<i>and so disturbed
by everything,</i>

401
00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:00,083
<i>I was ready
to go after him.</i>

402
00:17:00,167 --> 00:17:01,584
I can talk about that
pretty easily now,

403
00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:04,000
but at the time,
it was a little bit difficult,

404
00:17:04,083 --> 00:17:05,542
as you can imagine.

405
00:17:05,626 --> 00:17:08,334
<i>- The relationship between her
and Warren Beatty was hot.</i>

406
00:17:08,417 --> 00:17:09,709
<i>You could almost not look
at them.</i>

407
00:17:09,792 --> 00:17:11,042
Your eyes were gonna burn out.

408
00:17:11,125 --> 00:17:13,584
They were so good-looking.

409
00:17:13,667 --> 00:17:14,834
<i>- I was alone,</i>

410
00:17:14,918 --> 00:17:16,751
<i>I didn't have anybody
in my life,</i>

411
00:17:16,834 --> 00:17:19,918
<i>and I just couldn't stay
in Los Angeles anymore</i>

412
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,417
<i>and be alone,</i>

413
00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:23,083
and I made a decision

414
00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:24,292
to move to Europe.

415
00:17:24,375 --> 00:17:25,959
<i>So I talked to her,</i>

416
00:17:26,042 --> 00:17:28,375
<i>and I said I was going
to Europe.</i>

417
00:17:28,459 --> 00:17:30,834
<i>"Do you feel like you'd want
to come there?"</i>

418
00:17:30,918 --> 00:17:35,042
And she said,
"No, I have other plans,"

419
00:17:35,125 --> 00:17:40,500
and I said, "Okay,"
and I hung up the phone,

420
00:17:40,584 --> 00:17:41,792
and that was it.

421
00:17:43,334 --> 00:17:44,959
<i>- "Neither Warren nor I
was ready</i>

422
00:17:45,042 --> 00:17:46,918
<i>"for a permanent relationship,</i>

423
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,626
<i>"although our romance lasted
approximately two years.</i>

424
00:17:50,709 --> 00:17:54,167
<i>"Our affair was a collision
from start to finish.</i>

425
00:17:54,250 --> 00:17:56,751
<i>"While RJ never did
express hostility,</i>

426
00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,584
<i>"Warren couldn't stop,</i>

427
00:17:58,667 --> 00:18:01,334
<i>"and I contributed
my share of fireworks too.</i>

428
00:18:01,417 --> 00:18:03,334
<i>"In fact, we were both
so confused</i>

429
00:18:03,417 --> 00:18:05,459
<i>"that we thought fighting
and hostility</i>

430
00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:08,209
<i>meant real emotional honesty."</i>

431
00:18:09,709 --> 00:18:12,876
<i>After her relationship
with Warren had broken up,</i>

432
00:18:12,959 --> 00:18:15,667
<i>my mom had a string
of relationships,</i>

433
00:18:15,751 --> 00:18:17,083
<i>and during the '60s,</i>

434
00:18:17,167 --> 00:18:19,083
<i>before she married
my Daddy Gregson,</i>

435
00:18:19,167 --> 00:18:21,250
<i>she had a couple
of broken engagements,</i>

436
00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,417
<i>one with Arthur Loew Jr.,</i>

437
00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:25,834
<i>who remained
a very close friend of hers,</i>

438
00:18:25,918 --> 00:18:27,667
<i>another with Ladislav Blatnik,</i>

439
00:18:27,751 --> 00:18:30,834
<i>who was known as the shoe king
of Venezuela,</i>

440
00:18:30,918 --> 00:18:34,083
but I think that my mom
was longing

441
00:18:34,167 --> 00:18:36,918
<i>to be taken care of
emotionally,</i>

442
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,959
<i>and I think that's
what she was looking for</i>

443
00:18:39,042 --> 00:18:40,792
<i>during that time.</i>

444
00:18:40,876 --> 00:18:42,751
<i>- I was flattered
that I was, I think,</i>

445
00:18:42,834 --> 00:18:44,918
<i>the only one she ever dated
who was younger than she,</i>

446
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,918
<i>and I was four years younger
than she was.</i>

447
00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:49,542
Didn't bother me.
Didn't bother her.

448
00:18:49,626 --> 00:18:51,709
But it was never
gonna go anywhere.

449
00:18:51,792 --> 00:18:53,751
<i>It was never supposed
to go anywhere.</i>

450
00:18:53,834 --> 00:18:55,918
<i>It was fun
for as long as it lasted,</i>

451
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,334
and it--the friendship lasted
way beyond the dating period.

452
00:18:59,417 --> 00:19:01,542
<i>[somber music]</i>

453
00:19:01,626 --> 00:19:03,042
<i>- "For the first time
in my life,</i>

454
00:19:03,125 --> 00:19:05,042
<i>"I considered, in horror,</i>

455
00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:07,083
<i>"the possibility
that I might join</i>

456
00:19:07,167 --> 00:19:09,709
<i>"that sad parade
of famous movie ladies</i>

457
00:19:09,792 --> 00:19:12,042
<i>"who wind up
desperately lonely</i>

458
00:19:12,125 --> 00:19:14,751
<i>"with nothing more substantial
to sustain them</i>

459
00:19:14,834 --> 00:19:17,250
<i>"than their scrapbooks
and old photos</i>

460
00:19:17,334 --> 00:19:20,959
<i>"and memories of romances
and divorces.</i>

461
00:19:21,042 --> 00:19:24,417
<i>"My ex-husband's first child
had just been born.</i>

462
00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:27,167
<i>"I cried when I heard
the news.</i>

463
00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:29,709
<i>"It wasn't only
from the sense of loss I felt</i>

464
00:19:29,792 --> 00:19:31,584
<i>"for something
we never shared.</i>

465
00:19:31,667 --> 00:19:34,959
<i>It was also happiness
for him."</i>

466
00:19:35,042 --> 00:19:36,459
- My mom's name
was Marion Marshall

467
00:19:36,542 --> 00:19:38,417
when she was
in the picture business,

468
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:41,500
<i>Marion Donen when she was
married to Stanley Donen,</i>

469
00:19:41,584 --> 00:19:43,083
<i>and she had two boys,</i>

470
00:19:43,167 --> 00:19:45,250
<i>my brothers Josh Donen
and Peter Donen,</i>

471
00:19:45,334 --> 00:19:47,459
<i>who are eight and ten years
older than me.</i>

472
00:19:47,542 --> 00:19:49,500
<i>♪ ♪</i>

473
00:19:49,584 --> 00:19:52,334
<i>- I left Los Angeles
and lived in Rome</i>

474
00:19:52,417 --> 00:19:54,167
<i>for three years,</i>

475
00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:55,417
and I saw Marion,

476
00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:56,959
and Marion and I
started going out,

477
00:19:57,042 --> 00:19:59,083
<i>traveling all over Europe
together,</i>

478
00:19:59,167 --> 00:20:00,459
<i>and fell in love
with each other</i>

479
00:20:00,542 --> 00:20:04,167
<i>and got married and came back
to the United States.</i>

480
00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:06,542
<i>She had two sons,
Peter and Josh.</i>

481
00:20:06,626 --> 00:20:07,876
<i>I loved these two boys,</i>

482
00:20:07,959 --> 00:20:09,709
<i>and we had
a wonderful life together,</i>

483
00:20:09,792 --> 00:20:13,334
<i>and I had a daughter with her
called Katie,</i>

484
00:20:13,417 --> 00:20:15,959
<i>and that was a joy in my life.</i>

485
00:20:21,751 --> 00:20:23,375
<i>- Here we are in Wales</i>

486
00:20:23,459 --> 00:20:26,000
<i>at my father
Richard Gregson's house.</i>

487
00:20:26,083 --> 00:20:29,334
<i>My dad has Parkinson's
at this point in his life,</i>

488
00:20:29,417 --> 00:20:32,876
<i>and this might be
one of the last times</i>

489
00:20:32,959 --> 00:20:35,250
<i>we get to speak about my mom.</i>

490
00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:02,667
- I was with her
the night she met your father.

491
00:21:02,751 --> 00:21:04,334
<i>They started seeing
each other, dating,</i>

492
00:21:04,417 --> 00:21:06,918
<i>and it got serious.</i>

493
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,667
<i>- Richard Gregson
was my agent,</i>

494
00:21:08,751 --> 00:21:10,500
<i>and then he became
a producer</i>

495
00:21:10,584 --> 00:21:11,751
<i>from being my agent,</i>

496
00:21:11,834 --> 00:21:13,375
<i>and right from the beginning,
I saw him</i>

497
00:21:13,459 --> 00:21:16,292
as a very, very smart,
elegant guy

498
00:21:16,375 --> 00:21:18,292
<i>and very, very sophisticated,</i>

499
00:21:18,375 --> 00:21:21,334
<i>more so than any of the agents
that I knew in Hollywood.</i>

500
00:21:21,417 --> 00:21:23,459
And I was best man
at their wedding.

501
00:21:23,542 --> 00:21:25,542
<i>- I remember a story
with him saying</i>

502
00:21:25,626 --> 00:21:28,792
<i>that he asked all his wives
to marry him</i>

503
00:21:28,876 --> 00:21:30,792
but they turned him down,

504
00:21:30,876 --> 00:21:33,167
so he then had to wait
for them to ask him.

505
00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,375
And eventually,
Natalie asked him

506
00:21:35,459 --> 00:21:37,083
<i>to marry him,
and they'd been together</i>

507
00:21:37,167 --> 00:21:38,751
<i>for three or four years
at that time.</i>

508
00:21:38,834 --> 00:21:41,209
- And they had
a big, big, fancy wedding

509
00:21:41,292 --> 00:21:43,584
<i>at a Russian church,
Russian ceremony,</i>

510
00:21:43,667 --> 00:21:45,584
<i>and it was beautiful.</i>

511
00:21:45,667 --> 00:21:52,667
<i>♪ ♪</i>

512
00:21:53,792 --> 00:21:55,542
<i>- How long have you
been married now?</i>

513
00:21:55,626 --> 00:21:56,834
- Five months.
- Five months.

514
00:21:56,918 --> 00:21:59,334
- Five months.
And they said it wouldn't last.

515
00:21:59,417 --> 00:22:02,500
[laughter]
- Don't say that!

516
00:22:02,584 --> 00:22:03,792
- And you've been quoted
as saying

517
00:22:03,876 --> 00:22:05,000
you wouldn't now take a film

518
00:22:05,083 --> 00:22:07,375
that was thousands of miles
apart?

519
00:22:07,459 --> 00:22:08,834
- Not if it meant
being away from Richard,

520
00:22:08,918 --> 00:22:11,042
no, I wouldn't.

521
00:22:11,125 --> 00:22:12,667
- How long have you
been married, Robert?

522
00:22:12,751 --> 00:22:14,250
- 11 years.

523
00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:16,918
[applause]

524
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,250
[laughs]

525
00:22:18,334 --> 00:22:20,751
- And what advice would you
give this young couple?

526
00:22:20,834 --> 00:22:23,417
- Yes, Redford,
tell us what to do.

527
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:26,417
- Well, just try to keep track

528
00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:27,959
of how many years
you're married

529
00:22:28,042 --> 00:22:31,459
and, you know, remember
the dates when they come up.

530
00:22:31,542 --> 00:22:32,918
- That's right, 'cause somebody
asked you last week,

531
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,626
and they said, "What day
were you married on?"

532
00:22:34,709 --> 00:22:37,709
and simultaneously,
I said May 30th,

533
00:22:37,792 --> 00:22:39,500
and he said May 31st.

534
00:22:39,584 --> 00:22:41,417
- You don't need to ask
who was wrong, right?

535
00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:42,876
- Yeah.
- [laughs]

536
00:23:02,125 --> 00:23:04,459
<i>- There's nothing
quite like finding out</i>

537
00:23:04,542 --> 00:23:05,959
for the very first time

538
00:23:06,042 --> 00:23:07,083
<i>that you're gonna be pregnant</i>

539
00:23:07,167 --> 00:23:09,500
<i>and to go through
that first pregnancy.</i>

540
00:23:09,584 --> 00:23:13,500
There's just nothing ever
quite as miraculous as that.

541
00:23:13,584 --> 00:23:15,959
Ah.
- She didn't "get pregnant."

542
00:23:16,042 --> 00:23:18,792
<i>She got pregnant
because she wanted a baby,</i>

543
00:23:18,876 --> 00:23:20,959
<i>so she was doing
what she wanted</i>

544
00:23:21,042 --> 00:23:23,918
<i>and doing it well,
and then the work,</i>

545
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,375
she put it aside
for a while.

546
00:23:25,459 --> 00:23:26,751
She knew she'd get back to it.

547
00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:28,792
<i>There was nothing
more important to Natalie</i>

548
00:23:28,876 --> 00:23:31,417
<i>than being a mom;
that was really clear.</i>

549
00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:35,584
<i>- I once walked in,
and she was coddling you,</i>

550
00:23:35,667 --> 00:23:37,959
and she just looked up at me
and said,

551
00:23:38,042 --> 00:23:43,250
"Who needs show business
when one has this?"

552
00:23:43,334 --> 00:23:46,375
<i>My God, you were
the spitting image of her,</i>

553
00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:48,167
<i>you know, when you were born
and a child.</i>

554
00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:50,167
<i>It was incredible.</i>

555
00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:51,751
<i>- Before Natasha was born,</i>

556
00:23:51,834 --> 00:23:53,834
she would do
a great deal of things with us.

557
00:23:53,918 --> 00:23:55,709
<i>We'd go out,
we'd go to SeaWorld,</i>

558
00:23:55,792 --> 00:23:57,083
<i>we'd go to Disneyland,</i>

559
00:23:57,167 --> 00:23:59,375
<i>but then
when Natasha was born,</i>

560
00:23:59,459 --> 00:24:02,667
<i>her sole focus, really,
I would say, was on Natasha.</i>

561
00:24:02,751 --> 00:24:04,375
<i>♪ ♪</i>

562
00:24:13,375 --> 00:24:17,334
<i>- Richard felt that Natalie
was so involved</i>

563
00:24:17,417 --> 00:24:19,125
<i>and emotionally connected
to Natasha</i>

564
00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:21,751
that there wasn't any room
for him,

565
00:24:21,834 --> 00:24:23,667
so he did something
really stupid

566
00:24:23,751 --> 00:24:25,542
and got thrown out.

567
00:24:25,626 --> 00:24:27,542
- What happened when you
and Mommy got divorced?

568
00:24:45,792 --> 00:24:47,000
<i>- Changed the locks, I think.</i>

569
00:24:57,125 --> 00:24:58,709
<i>- I love the story</i>

570
00:24:58,792 --> 00:25:00,500
about how you
and Mommy reconnected

571
00:25:00,584 --> 00:25:03,125
at your friend
John Foreman's party.

572
00:25:03,209 --> 00:25:05,083
<i>- We saw each other
at this party,</i>

573
00:25:05,167 --> 00:25:07,667
<i>and so the sparks
sort of flew a little bit,</i>

574
00:25:07,751 --> 00:25:09,542
<i>and then I offered
to drive her home,</i>

575
00:25:09,626 --> 00:25:12,209
<i>and I did drive her home
and dropped her off</i>

576
00:25:12,292 --> 00:25:13,918
<i>and said good night
to her, and...</i>

577
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,751
- And then she got
into her house on Bentley

578
00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:20,751
and started to cry,

579
00:25:20,834 --> 00:25:22,250
and then what did you do?

580
00:25:22,334 --> 00:25:24,250
- I drove down the street,
and I stopped,

581
00:25:24,334 --> 00:25:27,459
and I had tears in my eyes
as well.

582
00:25:27,542 --> 00:25:28,709
- Because you guys realized

583
00:25:28,792 --> 00:25:30,751
that you still missed
each other.

584
00:25:30,834 --> 00:25:33,500
<i>- How come you got married
to Bob Wagner again?</i>

585
00:25:33,584 --> 00:25:34,792
- Again?
- I mean, and how does it feel

586
00:25:34,876 --> 00:25:38,042
when you marry your husband
after you divorced him?

587
00:25:38,125 --> 00:25:39,500
And if you don't want
to talk about it, we'll pass.

588
00:25:39,584 --> 00:25:40,584
- Oh, it feels terrific.

589
00:25:40,667 --> 00:25:41,834
I don't mind talking about it.
- Okay.

590
00:25:41,918 --> 00:25:43,209
- I was just fortunate,
you know?

591
00:25:43,292 --> 00:25:45,375
Timing was on our side.

592
00:25:45,459 --> 00:25:48,667
<i>We happened to meet at a time
when we were both free.</i>

593
00:25:48,751 --> 00:25:51,626
<i>The fact that we both had
feelings toward the other one</i>

594
00:25:51,709 --> 00:25:53,083
<i>we didn't keep to ourselves.</i>

595
00:25:53,167 --> 00:25:54,667
<i>I mean, we managed
to convey that.</i>

596
00:25:54,751 --> 00:25:57,667
Because I really had no idea
that RJ

597
00:25:57,751 --> 00:26:00,500
felt something still toward me,
even though I knew that I did,

598
00:26:00,584 --> 00:26:03,125
and he felt the same way
and didn't know if I did.

599
00:26:03,209 --> 00:26:07,167
<i>But luckily, we didn't
keep that to ourselves.</i>

600
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:11,584
- I came into Natalie's life
through RJ.

601
00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:15,083
RJ married my mother,

602
00:26:15,167 --> 00:26:17,042
<i>and when RJ
and my mother divorced,</i>

603
00:26:17,125 --> 00:26:19,334
<i>I remained very close to RJ,</i>

604
00:26:19,417 --> 00:26:23,000
<i>so when he started
seeing Natalie again,</i>

605
00:26:23,083 --> 00:26:26,459
naturally, that's how I was
introduced to Natalie,

606
00:26:26,542 --> 00:26:28,709
<i>and after college,</i>

607
00:26:28,792 --> 00:26:31,626
<i>Natalie said, "Come and live
in our guest house,"</i>

608
00:26:31,709 --> 00:26:33,876
<i>and I stayed there for years,</i>

609
00:26:33,959 --> 00:26:35,334
and that's when we became
really close.

610
00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,500
<i>You know, and it was clear,
seeing them together,</i>

611
00:26:37,584 --> 00:26:40,167
<i>that they loved each other,
but it was more.</i>

612
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:44,042
<i>It seemed to me that they
should be together.</i>

613
00:26:44,125 --> 00:26:46,876
This seemed right.

614
00:26:46,959 --> 00:26:49,375
<i>- When you and Mommy
got back together,</i>

615
00:26:49,459 --> 00:26:52,083
<i>she was a mom
and you were a dad.</i>

616
00:26:52,167 --> 00:26:53,626
- That's right.
- And you guys had had

617
00:26:53,709 --> 00:26:55,167
ten years between.

618
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:57,626
So had you both
really grown up?

619
00:26:57,709 --> 00:26:58,834
- I think so.

620
00:26:58,918 --> 00:27:00,209
<i>You know,
when we were younger,</i>

621
00:27:00,292 --> 00:27:02,334
<i>we were very interested
in our careers</i>

622
00:27:02,417 --> 00:27:03,918
<i>and where we could go
with it,</i>

623
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,834
<i>and that became less important
the second time.</i>

624
00:27:06,918 --> 00:27:09,876
<i>I mean, it had more
to do with us</i>

625
00:27:09,959 --> 00:27:13,209
<i>and you and Katie.</i>

626
00:27:13,292 --> 00:27:15,250
<i>- It was pretty exciting
to be a part of that</i>

627
00:27:15,334 --> 00:27:16,834
relationship
and that love affair.

628
00:27:17,459 --> 00:27:19,626
<i>And then they got married
the second time around</i>

629
00:27:19,709 --> 00:27:21,167
<i>on the "Ramblin' Rose,"</i>

630
00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:22,334
<i>and it was just
an incredible day.</i>

631
00:27:22,417 --> 00:27:23,709
<i>It was a small group
of people,</i>

632
00:27:23,792 --> 00:27:25,375
<i>probably about 30 people.</i>

633
00:27:25,459 --> 00:27:28,626
<i>[gentle music]</i>

634
00:27:28,709 --> 00:27:30,542
<i>- We got married
in Paradise Cove,</i>

635
00:27:30,626 --> 00:27:32,709
<i>and then we went
from Paradise Cove</i>

636
00:27:32,792 --> 00:27:33,876
over to the Isthmus,

637
00:27:33,959 --> 00:27:36,209
<i>and we spent our honeymoon
in Catalina.</i>

638
00:27:36,292 --> 00:27:39,334
<i>♪ ♪</i>

639
00:27:39,417 --> 00:27:41,500
<i>- Clearly, RJ was
the love of her life,</i>

640
00:27:41,584 --> 00:27:42,709
<i>because when they got
back together,</i>

641
00:27:42,792 --> 00:27:45,667
it was like just two parts
of the same whole

642
00:27:45,751 --> 00:27:47,000
<i>coming together again,</i>

643
00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:49,334
<i>and I saw her
in a more complete way.</i>

644
00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:51,792
<i>You know,
she was totally happy.</i>

645
00:27:51,876 --> 00:27:54,250
<i>♪ ♪</i>

646
00:27:54,334 --> 00:27:56,083
<i>- Natalie, you tried
natural childbirth</i>

647
00:27:56,167 --> 00:27:57,417
<i>with your second child.</i>

648
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:59,417
- Well, with my first child,
I did have--

649
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:00,751
- You tried it?
- I was awake,

650
00:28:00,834 --> 00:28:02,042
and I watched Natasha
being born.

651
00:28:02,125 --> 00:28:03,584
- Mm-hmm.
- And with Courtney,

652
00:28:03,667 --> 00:28:05,083
suddenly, there were
complications,

653
00:28:05,167 --> 00:28:08,417
you know, after about
17 or 18 hours of labor,

654
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:10,584
and all of a sudden,
the doctor said,

655
00:28:10,667 --> 00:28:12,626
"Oh, no, this is gonna be
an emergency section,"

656
00:28:12,709 --> 00:28:13,918
<i>and he got Courtney out
in two minutes,</i>

657
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,250
<i>saved her life.</i>

658
00:28:15,334 --> 00:28:18,834
<i>♪ ♪</i>

659
00:28:18,918 --> 00:28:22,167
<i>- I was born March 9, 1974,</i>

660
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:23,876
and I think there was a big--

661
00:28:23,959 --> 00:28:25,959
like, a whole thing
in the paper

662
00:28:26,042 --> 00:28:28,876
saying that, like,
I was near death and--

663
00:28:28,959 --> 00:28:31,292
but I was the lovechild.
[laughs]

664
00:28:31,375 --> 00:28:38,250
<i>♪ ♪</i>

665
00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:41,459
<i>- I had had Katie
with Marion,</i>

666
00:28:41,542 --> 00:28:44,167
<i>and she had had Natasha
with Richard,</i>

667
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:46,417
<i>and we had Courtney together,</i>

668
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,459
so we were--we were thrilled.

669
00:28:49,542 --> 00:28:52,209
<i>- Do you know something more
the second time around?</i>

670
00:28:52,292 --> 00:28:54,876
- I know to appreciate him
for what--

671
00:28:54,959 --> 00:28:56,500
- Oh, you're taking
the blame, huh?

672
00:28:56,584 --> 00:28:57,626
You didn't appreciate him
first time around?

673
00:28:57,709 --> 00:28:58,959
- No, no, no.
Not necessarily.

674
00:28:59,042 --> 00:29:01,083
I think we both appreciate
each other more,

675
00:29:01,167 --> 00:29:04,250
<i>and I think we know
each other better as people,</i>

676
00:29:04,334 --> 00:29:05,792
<i>and we're kind of
on the same wavelength.</i>

677
00:29:05,876 --> 00:29:07,292
<i>You know, we like to do
the same things,</i>

678
00:29:07,375 --> 00:29:09,083
<i>and we like
hanging out together.</i>

679
00:29:09,167 --> 00:29:10,751
<i>We like hanging out
with the kids.</i>

680
00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:14,375
<i>♪ ♪</i>

681
00:29:14,459 --> 00:29:16,334
<i>- When we got married,
we were living in the Springs.</i>

682
00:29:16,417 --> 00:29:18,834
I had this home
in Palm Springs.

683
00:29:18,918 --> 00:29:20,500
<i>And then we found this house</i>

684
00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:22,876
<i>on Cañon Drive
in Beverly Hills,</i>

685
00:29:22,959 --> 00:29:25,709
<i>and then we bought that
and moved into there.</i>

686
00:29:28,959 --> 00:29:31,834
<i>- When we were all very much
a family in the '70s,</i>

687
00:29:31,918 --> 00:29:34,042
<i>it was you, Mommy,
Courtney, and I,</i>

688
00:29:34,125 --> 00:29:36,125
<i>and Katie came
and lived with us,</i>

689
00:29:36,209 --> 00:29:37,959
<i>and that was our group</i>

690
00:29:38,042 --> 00:29:40,834
<i>with visits
from Josh and Peter,</i>

691
00:29:40,918 --> 00:29:43,292
<i>Sarah, Charlotte,
and Hugo.</i>

692
00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:45,000
- The guest house
was rather filled, wasn't it?

693
00:29:45,083 --> 00:29:46,918
- Yeah, it was always
turning over,

694
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,125
<i>and many, many dogs,</i>

695
00:29:48,209 --> 00:29:49,959
<i>many cats, many birds,
many--</i>

696
00:29:50,042 --> 00:29:51,209
<i>- Lizards.
- Lizards.</i>

697
00:29:51,292 --> 00:29:53,292
- Ducks.
- [laughs]

698
00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:56,542
<i>- We had this amazing nanny
named Willie Mae</i>

699
00:29:56,626 --> 00:29:58,250
<i>who lived with us
until she passed away</i>

700
00:29:58,334 --> 00:30:00,209
at the age of 90.

701
00:30:00,292 --> 00:30:01,417
- Great lady.

702
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:04,209
<i>- I was really attached
to Willie Mae.</i>

703
00:30:04,292 --> 00:30:06,500
<i>I was always much more
attached to Willie Mae,</i>

704
00:30:06,584 --> 00:30:07,751
<i>really, than my mom.</i>

705
00:30:07,834 --> 00:30:09,459
<i>I felt that Natasha
had my mom</i>

706
00:30:09,542 --> 00:30:10,751
<i>and I had Willie Mae.</i>

707
00:30:10,834 --> 00:30:12,334
And then, you know,
we had each other,

708
00:30:12,417 --> 00:30:15,000
but I just--I don't know
what it was about Willie Mae.

709
00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:17,042
<i>I just loved Willie Mae
so much.</i>

710
00:30:17,125 --> 00:30:19,834
<i>- Willie Mae Worthen
was the nanny,</i>

711
00:30:19,918 --> 00:30:21,000
who I adored.

712
00:30:21,083 --> 00:30:22,209
Everybody adored her.

713
00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:25,667
She was this six-foot giant
from down South,

714
00:30:25,751 --> 00:30:28,292
<i>very brusque but loving.</i>

715
00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,751
<i>She was part of the family.</i>

716
00:30:30,834 --> 00:30:33,334
<i>And I was Natalie Wood's
personal assistant</i>

717
00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:34,667
<i>for four years.</i>

718
00:30:34,751 --> 00:30:36,375
<i>My office was literally</i>

719
00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:38,417
<i>in the corner
of the master bedroom.</i>

720
00:30:38,500 --> 00:30:40,626
These two were in bed.
[laughs]

721
00:30:40,709 --> 00:30:43,083
It was quite--
it was quite funny, actually,

722
00:30:43,167 --> 00:30:46,417
to be in that situation,
having come from an office.

723
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:50,500
<i>And Natalie would give
incredible parties,</i>

724
00:30:50,584 --> 00:30:51,918
<i>but the main one each year</i>

725
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,959
<i>would be
the New Year's Eve party.</i>

726
00:30:54,042 --> 00:30:55,000
<i>The guests would come.</i>

727
00:30:55,083 --> 00:30:56,876
<i>There would be
George Segal and his wife.</i>

728
00:30:56,959 --> 00:30:59,209
<i>There would be Gregory Peck,
Jimmy Stewart,</i>

729
00:30:59,292 --> 00:31:00,709
<i>Roddy McDowall.</i>

730
00:31:00,792 --> 00:31:01,918
<i>- I look to my right,</i>

731
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,083
and there I saw,

732
00:31:04,167 --> 00:31:06,125
I swear to God,

733
00:31:06,209 --> 00:31:09,375
<i>Fred Astaire singing
Cole Porter</i>

734
00:31:09,459 --> 00:31:11,042
<i>with a pianist
accompanying him,</i>

735
00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:12,417
<i>and he finished his song,</i>

736
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,042
and everybody burst
into applause.

737
00:31:14,125 --> 00:31:15,584
<i>- Those parties were the best.</i>

738
00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:17,417
<i>You'd be talking
to someone</i>

739
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:21,125
and turn around, and, ooh,
Sir Laurence Olivier.

740
00:31:21,209 --> 00:31:23,292
Now I have to figure out
what kind of conversation

741
00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:25,125
<i>I can have with him.</i>

742
00:31:25,209 --> 00:31:29,292
<i>And the house was just
so full of love</i>

743
00:31:29,375 --> 00:31:31,292
<i>and happiness,</i>

744
00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:34,459
<i>it made you feel good
to be there.</i>

745
00:31:34,542 --> 00:31:35,626
<i>- So many people
coming and going</i>

746
00:31:35,709 --> 00:31:37,959
<i>in the Cañon Drive house
that were not only famous</i>

747
00:31:38,042 --> 00:31:39,292
<i>but just friends, you know,</i>

748
00:31:39,375 --> 00:31:40,584
<i>really, really great friends.</i>

749
00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:42,626
<i>They had parties
all the time.</i>

750
00:31:42,709 --> 00:31:44,375
You know,
our holidays were huge.

751
00:31:44,459 --> 00:31:46,459
<i>Courtney got as many presents
at Natasha's birthday</i>

752
00:31:46,542 --> 00:31:49,042
<i>as Natasha got
at Courtney's birthday.</i>

753
00:31:49,125 --> 00:31:52,042
<i>[gentle piano music]</i>

754
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:59,125
<i>♪ ♪</i>

755
00:32:00,417 --> 00:32:02,000
<i>- Everything was heaven.</i>

756
00:32:02,083 --> 00:32:05,334
<i>The house was so beautiful
and also welcoming,</i>

757
00:32:05,417 --> 00:32:07,834
<i>and Natalie was so candid,</i>

758
00:32:07,918 --> 00:32:10,292
and the focus was the children,
not the grown-ups.

759
00:32:10,375 --> 00:32:13,876
<i>♪ ♪</i>

760
00:32:13,959 --> 00:32:16,500
<i>- I remember the parties.
I remember the laughter.</i>

761
00:32:16,584 --> 00:32:18,834
<i>I remember they were
so in love with each other,</i>

762
00:32:18,918 --> 00:32:20,876
<i>and my mom would always say,</i>

763
00:32:20,959 --> 00:32:22,542
"Oh, RJ, honestly!"

764
00:32:22,626 --> 00:32:24,751
but then she would, like,
break out laughing.

765
00:32:24,834 --> 00:32:26,792
<i>They were just always
laughing.</i>

766
00:32:26,876 --> 00:32:29,500
<i>- That connection
that they had</i>

767
00:32:29,584 --> 00:32:31,417
is what I remember
growing up.

768
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:34,083
<i>And they were always
buying each other presents,</i>

769
00:32:34,167 --> 00:32:36,459
<i>and my mom
was always concocting</i>

770
00:32:36,542 --> 00:32:38,125
<i>some kind
of an incredible surprise</i>

771
00:32:38,209 --> 00:32:40,375
for my dad
that she would tell us about.

772
00:32:41,751 --> 00:32:44,209
<i>- The most important thing
for me is my family</i>

773
00:32:44,292 --> 00:32:46,083
<i>and my husband, my kids.</i>

774
00:32:46,167 --> 00:32:47,709
<i>That's why we like spending
a lot of time on the boat,</i>

775
00:32:47,792 --> 00:32:50,042
<i>where we really are
just a family</i>

776
00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:52,709
and there aren't a lot
of other things to relate to.

777
00:32:52,792 --> 00:32:55,626
- We got a boat together,
the "Splendour,"

778
00:32:55,709 --> 00:32:57,751
<i>and we spent most weekends</i>

779
00:32:57,834 --> 00:32:59,584
<i>and most vacations
in Catalina.</i>

780
00:32:59,667 --> 00:33:01,667
<i>We spent a lot of time
on that island.</i>

781
00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:05,167
- Natalie never cooked at home,

782
00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:07,667
<i>but she would always
cook breakfast on the boat,</i>

783
00:33:07,751 --> 00:33:09,918
<i>and it was huevos rancheros,</i>

784
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
<i>and she enjoyed the boat.</i>

785
00:33:12,083 --> 00:33:15,042
<i>You know, she'd have
the hat on and the outfit.</i>

786
00:33:15,125 --> 00:33:17,167
<i>It was fun for the family,
and it was fun</i>

787
00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:20,375
<i>for RJ and Natalie
to get away as well.</i>

788
00:33:20,459 --> 00:33:27,542
<i>♪ ♪</i>

789
00:33:31,834 --> 00:33:34,209
<i>- My parents were very relaxed
on the boat.</i>

790
00:33:34,292 --> 00:33:36,918
They'd bring other friends,
or we'd bring our friends.

791
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,292
<i>We'd go to Catalina.
We'd go to Emerald Bay.</i>

792
00:33:39,375 --> 00:33:40,751
<i>We'd go to the Isthmus.</i>

793
00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:43,834
<i>And it was a really happy time
for us there.</i>

794
00:33:46,959 --> 00:33:49,375
- As we reported earlier,
actress Natalie Wood

795
00:33:49,459 --> 00:33:50,709
was found dead today.

796
00:33:50,792 --> 00:33:52,417
Her body was discovered
fully clothed

797
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:54,792
in waters
off Santa Catalina Island.

798
00:33:54,876 --> 00:33:57,042
Los Angeles County officials
can only confirm

799
00:33:57,125 --> 00:33:59,334
the 43-year-old Ms. Wood
drowned,

800
00:33:59,417 --> 00:34:01,876
but nothing further
on the circumstances.

801
00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:04,584
David Burrington reports.

802
00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:06,167
<i>- Natalie Wood
and her husband,</i>

803
00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:07,626
<i>actor Robert Wagner,</i>

804
00:34:07,709 --> 00:34:09,292
<i>had sailed to Catalina Island</i>

805
00:34:09,375 --> 00:34:12,000
<i>to spend the holiday weekend
with friends.</i>

806
00:34:12,083 --> 00:34:14,083
<i>Apparently, they had returned
to their yacht,</i>

807
00:34:14,167 --> 00:34:16,459
<i>the "Splendour,"
after dinner,</i>

808
00:34:16,542 --> 00:34:18,167
<i>when Natalie went back out
on the water</i>

809
00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:19,751
<i>in this rubber boat.</i>

810
00:34:19,834 --> 00:34:22,459
<i>Exactly what happened then,
nobody knows,</i>

811
00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:24,959
<i>but her body was found
after dawn this morning</i>

812
00:34:25,042 --> 00:34:28,125
<i>in a small cove
not far from the rubber boat.</i>

813
00:34:28,209 --> 00:34:29,918
<i>- It was on the news,</i>

814
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,500
and I called our mutual friend
Leonard Gershe,

815
00:34:32,584 --> 00:34:35,000
and I said,
"Is Natalie all right?"

816
00:34:35,083 --> 00:34:38,125
And he said, "No.
Nat's..."

817
00:34:38,209 --> 00:34:41,125
<i>[somber music]</i>

818
00:34:41,209 --> 00:34:42,626
<i>♪ ♪</i>

819
00:34:42,709 --> 00:34:44,626
Natalie was gone.

820
00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:47,667
- I remember being devastated
by that news

821
00:34:47,751 --> 00:34:52,167
and, having such affection
for her,

822
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:53,959
hurt by the news.

823
00:34:54,042 --> 00:34:55,542
- The phone rang,

824
00:34:55,626 --> 00:34:57,167
and I pick up the phone...

825
00:34:57,250 --> 00:35:01,209
[clears throat]
And RJ screams

826
00:35:01,292 --> 00:35:02,834
into the phone...

827
00:35:02,918 --> 00:35:04,334
[sighs]

828
00:35:04,417 --> 00:35:06,667
<i>♪ ♪</i>

829
00:35:06,751 --> 00:35:08,834
"She's gone!"

830
00:35:08,918 --> 00:35:12,125
- My brother Peter Donen
called me--my late brother--

831
00:35:12,209 --> 00:35:13,792
called me about 6:00
in the morning,

832
00:35:13,876 --> 00:35:16,292
and he--I picked up my phone
in my room,

833
00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:20,292
and he said, "Natalie's dead.
She drowned."

834
00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:22,000
And I thought to myself,
"Well, she drowned,

835
00:35:22,083 --> 00:35:23,375
but she'll be back, right?"

836
00:35:23,459 --> 00:35:25,083
I mean, that weird thing
that you think

837
00:35:25,167 --> 00:35:26,959
when you hear
something like that.

838
00:35:27,042 --> 00:35:28,334
- I was walking
along the beach,

839
00:35:28,417 --> 00:35:30,042
and it was early
in the morning,

840
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:32,834
and I saw my brother

841
00:35:32,918 --> 00:35:34,459
came out onto the beach,

842
00:35:34,542 --> 00:35:36,417
and he came over to me;
he put his arms around me.

843
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,751
He said, "Natalie's died."

844
00:35:38,834 --> 00:35:41,125
And I was just
in a state of shock.

845
00:35:41,209 --> 00:35:44,292
- That was one
of the worst mornings

846
00:35:44,375 --> 00:35:46,876
that we've ever experienced.

847
00:35:46,959 --> 00:35:51,375
So we got in the car
and went over to Cañon,

848
00:35:51,459 --> 00:35:54,000
<i>and already, there was press
out in the street</i>

849
00:35:54,083 --> 00:35:56,042
<i>and cameras
and all of that,</i>

850
00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:58,292
<i>and we were there
before RJ was there.</i>

851
00:35:58,375 --> 00:36:00,667
<i>- Eventually, RJ came home,</i>

852
00:36:00,751 --> 00:36:02,250
<i>and we went downstairs,</i>

853
00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:05,500
and he came in
looking like death.

854
00:36:05,584 --> 00:36:09,000
- I remember Willie Mae
woke me up,

855
00:36:09,083 --> 00:36:13,584
and I could hear
my sister Natasha crying,

856
00:36:13,667 --> 00:36:15,250
and I saw all of these people

857
00:36:15,334 --> 00:36:16,959
in the living room,

858
00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:18,751
and I was walking
down the steps,

859
00:36:18,834 --> 00:36:21,250
and my dad was at the edge
of the steps,

860
00:36:21,334 --> 00:36:23,792
and he said to me, "You know,
you're not gonna see

861
00:36:23,876 --> 00:36:25,167
your mom anymore."

862
00:36:25,250 --> 00:36:29,000
- He said,
"But I want you to know

863
00:36:29,083 --> 00:36:31,209
"that we're going to be
all right.

864
00:36:31,292 --> 00:36:33,167
"We're staying together,

865
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:35,042
"we're still a family,

866
00:36:35,125 --> 00:36:37,584
and we're gonna get
through this."

867
00:36:37,667 --> 00:36:40,876
It was heavy-duty stuff,

868
00:36:40,959 --> 00:36:43,584
and he just clung on to them

869
00:36:43,667 --> 00:36:45,375
and they on him.

870
00:36:45,459 --> 00:36:48,584
- It's like, the instant
that my mom passed away

871
00:36:48,667 --> 00:36:52,292
is like the air in the balloon
that was our life, you know,

872
00:36:52,375 --> 00:36:54,292
it just--it just--

873
00:36:54,375 --> 00:36:57,250
you know, it just--
the party was over.

874
00:37:03,667 --> 00:37:06,667
<i>- I remember hearing
that my grandma fainted,</i>

875
00:37:06,751 --> 00:37:08,459
<i>but I remember
that I didn't want</i>

876
00:37:08,542 --> 00:37:10,125
<i>to be around my grandma</i>

877
00:37:10,209 --> 00:37:12,667
<i>because she was
too hysterical.</i>

878
00:37:12,751 --> 00:37:15,417
I think I was more
of a private griever,

879
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:20,083
and my grandma
was so kind of colorful

880
00:37:20,167 --> 00:37:22,792
with her grief,

881
00:37:22,876 --> 00:37:25,417
so I didn't feel safe
around her.

882
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,250
<i>- I remember my grandmother
being really--</i>

883
00:37:28,334 --> 00:37:30,959
<i>I mean, talk about someone
that was checked out.</i>

884
00:37:31,042 --> 00:37:33,167
I mean, she would just faint,
you know.

885
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:35,209
She was very dramatic too.

886
00:37:35,292 --> 00:37:37,000
I mean, there would be times
where you would hear

887
00:37:37,083 --> 00:37:39,584
that, like, she suddenly
just got frightened

888
00:37:39,667 --> 00:37:40,709
and she ran into a wall

889
00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:41,876
because she wasn't
paying attention.

890
00:37:41,959 --> 00:37:44,042
I mean, she was just--
you know, this was a woman

891
00:37:44,125 --> 00:37:46,083
<i>that was grief-stricken</i>

892
00:37:46,167 --> 00:37:50,667
<i>and whose whole life
revolved around her daughter.</i>

893
00:37:50,751 --> 00:37:53,334
<i>[pizzicato music]</i>

894
00:37:53,417 --> 00:37:55,584
<i>- My mom's parents,
my grandparents,</i>

895
00:37:55,667 --> 00:37:57,876
<i>were Nick and Maria Gurdin.</i>

896
00:37:57,959 --> 00:38:00,083
They spoke with these
thick Russian accents

897
00:38:00,167 --> 00:38:01,792
<i>because they were
both immigrants</i>

898
00:38:01,876 --> 00:38:04,542
<i>who met and married
in San Francisco.</i>

899
00:38:04,626 --> 00:38:07,500
<i>My mom called her parents
Mud and Fad,</i>

900
00:38:07,584 --> 00:38:09,626
short for Mudda and Fadda.

901
00:38:09,709 --> 00:38:12,125
<i>My mom was the middle child
of three girls.</i>

902
00:38:12,209 --> 00:38:14,500
<i>She had an older half sister
named Olga</i>

903
00:38:14,584 --> 00:38:16,542
<i>who was ten years older
than her</i>

904
00:38:16,626 --> 00:38:20,459
<i>and a younger sister, Lana,
who was eight years younger.</i>

905
00:38:20,542 --> 00:38:23,042
<i>- My parents moved
from San Francisco</i>

906
00:38:23,125 --> 00:38:26,125
<i>to Santa Rosa
when I was about two, I think,</i>

907
00:38:26,209 --> 00:38:28,876
<i>and then a movie company
came to Santa Rosa</i>

908
00:38:28,959 --> 00:38:31,500
<i>on location, and they needed
a little girl</i>

909
00:38:31,584 --> 00:38:33,375
<i>to drop an ice cream cone
and cry,</i>

910
00:38:33,459 --> 00:38:36,292
<i>and I think my mama gave me
a little nudge</i>

911
00:38:36,375 --> 00:38:38,083
<i>in the right direction
and said,</i>

912
00:38:38,167 --> 00:38:39,751
<i>"Why don't you go talk
to that nice man,</i>

913
00:38:39,834 --> 00:38:41,417
<i>sing him some of your songs?"</i>

914
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,959
<i>And...
[laughs]</i>

915
00:38:44,042 --> 00:38:47,167
<i>So I did, and he chose me
to drop the ice cream cone,</i>

916
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:50,918
<i>and then he remembered me
a year later</i>

917
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,667
<i>when he was doing
"Tomorrow is Forever."</i>

918
00:38:52,751 --> 00:38:54,125
<i>His name was Irving Pichel,</i>

919
00:38:54,209 --> 00:38:55,792
<i>and he wrote to my parents
and said</i>

920
00:38:55,876 --> 00:38:57,751
<i>that he would like
to have me come</i>

921
00:38:57,834 --> 00:38:59,626
<i>to Los Angeles
and do a screen test</i>

922
00:38:59,709 --> 00:39:02,125
<i>because he had a part
for a young German girl,</i>

923
00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:04,918
<i>and against
my father's deeper wishes,</i>

924
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,709
<i>my mother and I
traveled down by train,</i>

925
00:39:07,792 --> 00:39:10,042
<i>and I made the screen test,
got the part,</i>

926
00:39:10,125 --> 00:39:13,792
<i>and it seemed a good idea
to move down to Los Angeles,</i>

927
00:39:13,876 --> 00:39:16,209
<i>which we then did,
and my father began working</i>

928
00:39:16,292 --> 00:39:19,500
<i>in the miniature prop
department at the studios,</i>

929
00:39:19,584 --> 00:39:21,209
<i>so we would sometimes
bump into each other.</i>

930
00:39:21,292 --> 00:39:23,542
<i>We were both working.</i>

931
00:39:23,626 --> 00:39:25,834
Shall we go away soon,
Father?

932
00:39:25,918 --> 00:39:28,375
<i>[mournful orchestral music]</i>

933
00:39:28,459 --> 00:39:29,876
- Go?

934
00:39:29,959 --> 00:39:32,209
- You said maybe
we would leave here.

935
00:39:32,292 --> 00:39:35,000
<i>- I was her first leading man,</i>

936
00:39:35,083 --> 00:39:37,709
and for six or seven takes,

937
00:39:37,792 --> 00:39:40,125
<i>I kept blowing my lines.</i>

938
00:39:40,209 --> 00:39:41,834
<i>Not Natalie.</i>

939
00:39:41,918 --> 00:39:43,334
<i>I think it was
her first picture,</i>

940
00:39:43,417 --> 00:39:46,375
but she was already
a perfect little pro.

941
00:39:46,459 --> 00:39:47,959
- Well, young lady,
what's your name?

942
00:39:48,042 --> 00:39:50,250
- Susan Walker.
What's yours?

943
00:39:50,334 --> 00:39:52,459
- Mine?
Kriss Kringle.

944
00:39:52,542 --> 00:39:55,042
I'm Santa Claus.

945
00:39:55,125 --> 00:39:57,792
Oh, you don't believe that,
do you?

946
00:39:57,876 --> 00:39:59,000
- Mm-mm.

947
00:39:59,083 --> 00:40:00,751
You see, my mother's
Mrs. Walker,

948
00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:03,626
the lady who hired you.
- Oh.

949
00:40:03,709 --> 00:40:04,792
- But I must say,

950
00:40:04,876 --> 00:40:06,417
you're the best-looking one
I've ever seen.

951
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:08,250
- Really?
- Your beard doesn't have

952
00:40:08,334 --> 00:40:10,125
one of those things
that goes over your ears.

953
00:40:10,209 --> 00:40:11,584
- Well, that's because
it's real,

954
00:40:11,667 --> 00:40:13,876
just like I'm
really Santa Claus.

955
00:40:13,959 --> 00:40:17,000
<i>- What stands out about
Natalie Wood's performance</i>

956
00:40:17,083 --> 00:40:19,667
<i>in "Miracle on 34th Street"
is,</i>

957
00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:21,125
there's no artifice.

958
00:40:21,209 --> 00:40:24,500
<i>She's so watchful
and skeptical</i>

959
00:40:24,584 --> 00:40:28,209
<i>and very sure-seeming
in who she was,</i>

960
00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:30,500
and then in the end,
she had the same dreams

961
00:40:30,584 --> 00:40:33,167
<i>and fantasies
as everybody else,</i>

962
00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:36,751
<i>and I think that's what was
so appealing about it.</i>

963
00:40:39,459 --> 00:40:42,918
<i>- "The reality of Hollywood
was a dash of cold water.</i>

964
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,500
<i>"Instead of glamour,
I found myself immersed</i>

965
00:40:45,584 --> 00:40:47,626
<i>"in work and study.</i>

966
00:40:47,709 --> 00:40:49,167
<i>"By the time I was 12,</i>

967
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:52,375
<i>"my father suffered the first
of a series of heart attacks.</i>

968
00:40:52,459 --> 00:40:54,876
<i>"For a few years,
he couldn't work at all.</i>

969
00:40:54,959 --> 00:40:57,626
<i>"This meant my acting
was the sole economic support</i>

970
00:40:57,709 --> 00:40:59,292
<i>"of my family,</i>

971
00:40:59,375 --> 00:41:00,709
<i>"and therefore, getting jobs</i>

972
00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:03,542
<i>"became a tremendous
responsibility.</i>

973
00:41:03,626 --> 00:41:05,042
<i>"Sometimes I had nightmares</i>

974
00:41:05,125 --> 00:41:08,959
<i>about the family starving
if I didn't act."</i>

975
00:41:09,042 --> 00:41:10,542
<i>- The story I remember</i>

976
00:41:10,626 --> 00:41:11,584
Natalie telling me
about her mother

977
00:41:11,667 --> 00:41:14,000
was an audition she went to,

978
00:41:14,083 --> 00:41:17,209
<i>and her mother felt
it hadn't gone terribly well,</i>

979
00:41:17,292 --> 00:41:19,918
<i>and on the way
out of the studio,</i>

980
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,292
<i>she said to Natalie,</i>

981
00:41:22,375 --> 00:41:24,500
"Well, that wasn't very good,
was it?

982
00:41:24,584 --> 00:41:26,834
No new shoes for your sister."

983
00:41:26,918 --> 00:41:28,167
<i>Of course,
Natalie was called back</i>

984
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:30,209
<i>and did get the role,
so presumably,</i>

985
00:41:30,292 --> 00:41:32,542
Lana did get her new shoes.

986
00:41:32,626 --> 00:41:34,375
[thunder booming]

987
00:41:34,459 --> 00:41:36,083
<i>But there was a lot
of pressure</i>

988
00:41:36,167 --> 00:41:37,500
<i>on young Natalie.</i>

989
00:41:40,042 --> 00:41:42,000
<i>- When she did a film
called "The Green Promise,"</i>

990
00:41:42,083 --> 00:41:43,918
<i>she injured her wrist...</i>

991
00:41:47,709 --> 00:41:49,083
<i>And it never healed properly,</i>

992
00:41:49,167 --> 00:41:52,083
and so her wrist bone
was bigger

993
00:41:52,167 --> 00:41:53,584
<i>on one wrist than the other,</i>

994
00:41:53,667 --> 00:41:55,584
<i>and she felt
self-conscious about it,</i>

995
00:41:55,667 --> 00:41:58,959
<i>so she always wore
a bracelet to cover it up.</i>

996
00:41:59,042 --> 00:42:00,459
- She had a bracelet
she always wore,

997
00:42:00,542 --> 00:42:03,083
and it covered up
a thing on her wrist,

998
00:42:03,167 --> 00:42:05,000
<i>and it always
kind of made me think,</i>

999
00:42:05,083 --> 00:42:06,876
<i>"This is a woman
in total control</i>

1000
00:42:06,959 --> 00:42:10,584
<i>but had a flaw
that she was aware of."</i>

1001
00:42:10,667 --> 00:42:12,918
<i>Didn't mean anything,
but in a way,</i>

1002
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,584
<i>it made me feel a connection
with her vulnerability</i>

1003
00:42:16,667 --> 00:42:19,167
<i>and this childhood stardom
that she had had</i>

1004
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:21,375
<i>that she was
childhood star, huge.</i>

1005
00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:24,209
- Don't you know that children
should be seen and not heard?

1006
00:42:24,292 --> 00:42:25,918
- Not according to Jeremiah.

1007
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,334
"Say not I am a child,

1008
00:42:27,417 --> 00:42:29,626
"for thou shalt go
to all that I shalt send thee,

1009
00:42:29,709 --> 00:42:32,542
and whatsoever I command thee,
thou shalt speak."

1010
00:42:32,626 --> 00:42:35,042
- Steven, will you take her
away from here?

1011
00:42:35,125 --> 00:42:36,751
<i>- Did you not feel
that you were missing</i>

1012
00:42:36,834 --> 00:42:38,542
<i>a lot of the fun
of being a child?</i>

1013
00:42:38,626 --> 00:42:40,292
<i>- Well, I wasn't aware of it
at the time, you know?</i>

1014
00:42:40,375 --> 00:42:41,626
<i>I mean, I guess
I wasn't aware</i>

1015
00:42:41,709 --> 00:42:44,125
<i>that other kids
did other things.</i>

1016
00:42:44,209 --> 00:42:47,209
<i>And then
when I was about 12,</i>

1017
00:42:47,292 --> 00:42:48,959
<i>I started going
to a regular school</i>

1018
00:42:49,042 --> 00:42:50,459
<i>in between jobs,</i>

1019
00:42:50,542 --> 00:42:52,626
<i>and I did feel
a bit of a misfit then</i>

1020
00:42:52,709 --> 00:42:53,834
<i>during that period,</i>

1021
00:42:53,918 --> 00:42:55,792
<i>because I was
so comfortable with adults</i>

1022
00:42:55,876 --> 00:42:57,417
<i>and rather uncomfortable
with kids,</i>

1023
00:42:57,500 --> 00:42:59,292
<i>having not been around
very many.</i>

1024
00:42:59,375 --> 00:43:02,542
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1025
00:43:02,626 --> 00:43:05,375
<i>- I met Natalie Wood
in junior high.</i>

1026
00:43:05,459 --> 00:43:07,125
She was very nice,
very pleasant.

1027
00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:10,667
She wasn't, "Ha, look at me.
I'm a movie star,"

1028
00:43:10,751 --> 00:43:12,334
<i>not with anyone in the school,</i>

1029
00:43:12,417 --> 00:43:14,667
<i>and they didn't treat her
like she was.</i>

1030
00:43:14,751 --> 00:43:16,709
<i>But we became fast friends,</i>

1031
00:43:16,792 --> 00:43:19,334
<i>and her mother
was very protective</i>

1032
00:43:19,417 --> 00:43:22,334
<i>of who she chatted with,
who she went out with,</i>

1033
00:43:22,417 --> 00:43:25,000
and I passed
her mother's test.

1034
00:43:25,083 --> 00:43:28,417
[laughs]
So that was good.

1035
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:31,125
<i>- Natalie's parents
were very involved with her.</i>

1036
00:43:31,209 --> 00:43:33,459
<i>They knew everything
that she did</i>

1037
00:43:33,542 --> 00:43:35,459
<i>and where she went
and what she wore,</i>

1038
00:43:35,542 --> 00:43:37,959
and they were
helicopter parents, you know?

1039
00:43:38,042 --> 00:43:41,626
<i>They were always hovering
around her all the time.</i>

1040
00:43:41,709 --> 00:43:44,792
<i>- Natalie's father, Nick,
he was very quiet.</i>

1041
00:43:44,876 --> 00:43:46,417
<i>When I met him,</i>

1042
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,584
I think he had developed
a heart problem,

1043
00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:51,375
<i>and he generally was
a quiet, gentle man,</i>

1044
00:43:51,459 --> 00:43:52,417
<i>that I knew.</i>

1045
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:54,751
<i>Didn't have
a lot of dialogue with him,</i>

1046
00:43:54,834 --> 00:43:56,542
but with Maria, I did.

1047
00:43:56,626 --> 00:43:58,250
<i>She was a strange lady.</i>

1048
00:43:58,334 --> 00:44:00,542
<i>She would say, "Don't walk
on that side of the road</i>

1049
00:44:00,626 --> 00:44:01,876
<i>"when the sun is shining,</i>

1050
00:44:01,959 --> 00:44:04,083
because you'll be struck down."

1051
00:44:04,167 --> 00:44:07,292
<i>And lots of little fears.</i>

1052
00:44:07,375 --> 00:44:10,334
<i>- My grandma was
incredibly superstitious,</i>

1053
00:44:10,417 --> 00:44:12,542
<i>so she filled
my mom's head</i>

1054
00:44:12,626 --> 00:44:15,000
with all kinds
of crazy stories.

1055
00:44:15,083 --> 00:44:19,167
- I've always been terrified--
still am--of water,

1056
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:22,334
dark water, seawater
or, you know, river water.

1057
00:44:22,417 --> 00:44:25,667
<i>- There's this story
that a gypsy told my grandma</i>

1058
00:44:25,751 --> 00:44:29,375
<i>that her second daughter
would become world-famous...</i>

1059
00:44:30,626 --> 00:44:31,626
- Oh!

1060
00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:33,375
<i>- But to beware
of dark water.</i>

1061
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,375
- Can you swim?

1062
00:44:37,459 --> 00:44:38,709
- A little!

1063
00:44:38,792 --> 00:44:40,626
- All right, cut.

1064
00:44:40,709 --> 00:44:42,459
<i>- People are fixated
on the fact</i>

1065
00:44:42,542 --> 00:44:44,250
<i>that my mom was afraid
of dark water,</i>

1066
00:44:44,334 --> 00:44:46,459
<i>I think,
simply because she drowned.</i>

1067
00:44:46,542 --> 00:44:48,584
<i>But, you know, as a child,
she was in the pool with us</i>

1068
00:44:48,667 --> 00:44:50,542
<i>all the time, and she and I</i>

1069
00:44:50,626 --> 00:44:52,918
<i>never talked about her fear
of dark water,</i>

1070
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,500
<i>so it never felt
like this big thing.</i>

1071
00:44:56,584 --> 00:44:58,459
I mean, who likes dark water?

1072
00:44:58,542 --> 00:45:01,125
It's not very enticing.

1073
00:45:01,209 --> 00:45:03,542
<i>But my grandma
was so fantastical.</i>

1074
00:45:03,626 --> 00:45:07,334
She was so twirling
and swirling with stories

1075
00:45:07,417 --> 00:45:09,834
that I don't know what was real
and what wasn't.

1076
00:45:09,918 --> 00:45:11,918
<i>- I remember Natalie
was in bed,</i>

1077
00:45:12,042 --> 00:45:13,584
<i>studying her script,</i>

1078
00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:17,209
<i>and Maria was in one
of the second bedrooms,</i>

1079
00:45:17,292 --> 00:45:20,542
and all of a sudden,
she started to tremble,

1080
00:45:20,626 --> 00:45:22,167
and her eyes rolled up,

1081
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:25,459
and I dashed
back into the room to Natalie.

1082
00:45:25,542 --> 00:45:27,667
I put her on the bed,
and I said, "Natalie,

1083
00:45:27,751 --> 00:45:29,334
"your mother, she's ill.

1084
00:45:29,417 --> 00:45:31,792
I think she's having
an epileptic fit."

1085
00:45:31,876 --> 00:45:33,834
And so Natalie said...

1086
00:45:35,209 --> 00:45:37,876
"She'll be all right
in a minute."

1087
00:45:37,959 --> 00:45:39,250
Never blinked an eye.

1088
00:45:39,334 --> 00:45:41,042
<i>And it was from then I learned</i>

1089
00:45:41,125 --> 00:45:44,751
<i>that this was a regular habit
of Maria's to get attention.</i>

1090
00:45:44,834 --> 00:45:46,751
<i>- My mom's
very complicated relationship</i>

1091
00:45:46,834 --> 00:45:48,876
<i>with my grandma
and being a daughter</i>

1092
00:45:48,959 --> 00:45:51,250
<i>of a narcissistic,
controlling,</i>

1093
00:45:51,334 --> 00:45:53,626
<i>possessive mother--</i>

1094
00:45:53,709 --> 00:45:56,167
I mean, that's played out
in so many of her films.

1095
00:45:56,250 --> 00:46:00,125
<i>- On "Gypsy," your mother
actually said to me,</i>

1096
00:46:00,209 --> 00:46:01,792
<i>"I don't know
how I'm gonna play</i>

1097
00:46:01,876 --> 00:46:03,834
<i>this last scene,"</i>

1098
00:46:03,918 --> 00:46:07,167
and I just nearly fell
on the floor, and I said,

1099
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:09,918
"What?"
[both laugh]

1100
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,542
"You don't know
how to play that scene?

1101
00:46:12,626 --> 00:46:15,083
<i>"I mean, just look
at Rosalind Russell in the eye</i>

1102
00:46:15,167 --> 00:46:17,792
<i>"and pretend
it's your mother,</i>

1103
00:46:17,876 --> 00:46:19,959
<i>"it's Maria Gurdin,</i>

1104
00:46:20,042 --> 00:46:21,459
and you got it."

1105
00:46:21,542 --> 00:46:24,792
- Mama, look at me now!
I'm a star!

1106
00:46:24,876 --> 00:46:26,626
Look!
Look how I live!

1107
00:46:26,709 --> 00:46:29,334
Look at my friends.
Look where I'm going.

1108
00:46:29,417 --> 00:46:31,000
I'm not staying in burlesque.

1109
00:46:31,083 --> 00:46:33,626
I'm moving,
maybe up, maybe down,

1110
00:46:33,709 --> 00:46:36,125
but wherever it is,
I'm enjoying it.

1111
00:46:36,209 --> 00:46:37,959
I'm having the time of my life

1112
00:46:38,042 --> 00:46:39,417
because for the first time,

1113
00:46:39,500 --> 00:46:42,042
it is my life,
and I love it.

1114
00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,584
I love every second of it,

1115
00:46:43,667 --> 00:46:46,375
and I'll be damned if you're
gonna take it away from me!

1116
00:46:46,459 --> 00:46:48,000
<i>- Her mother was</i>

1117
00:46:48,083 --> 00:46:50,959
<i>like a lot of mothers
of successful people.</i>

1118
00:46:51,042 --> 00:46:52,709
<i>She was determined</i>

1119
00:46:52,792 --> 00:46:55,250
<i>that her daughter
was going to be successful,</i>

1120
00:46:55,334 --> 00:46:58,667
I think,
and Natalie was.

1121
00:46:58,751 --> 00:47:02,876
<i>- I think she once told me
that she didn't really decide</i>

1122
00:47:02,959 --> 00:47:05,417
<i>that that was
what she wanted to do</i>

1123
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:07,000
<i>was be an actress</i>

1124
00:47:07,083 --> 00:47:10,167
<i>until Nick Ray
and "Rebel,"</i>

1125
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:11,792
and then it was clear to her

1126
00:47:11,876 --> 00:47:14,542
that she was not
just being pushed by her mother

1127
00:47:14,626 --> 00:47:16,042
any longer.
- Mm-hmm.

1128
00:47:17,584 --> 00:47:19,792
- He looks at me like

1129
00:47:19,876 --> 00:47:23,417
I was the ugliest thing
in the world.

1130
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:25,459
He doesn't like my friends.

1131
00:47:25,542 --> 00:47:28,542
He doesn't like one thing
about me.

1132
00:47:28,626 --> 00:47:32,876
And he called me...

1133
00:47:32,959 --> 00:47:36,250
he called me a dirty tramp!

1134
00:47:36,334 --> 00:47:38,209
My own father!

1135
00:47:38,292 --> 00:47:41,375
<i>- It was a very important film
for me personally</i>

1136
00:47:41,459 --> 00:47:43,709
<i>because up until then,
I had worked as a child,</i>

1137
00:47:43,792 --> 00:47:46,042
and I had always just done
as I was told.

1138
00:47:46,125 --> 00:47:47,667
I was--you know,
"You do this picture next,

1139
00:47:47,751 --> 00:47:49,000
and then you do
that picture next,"

1140
00:47:49,083 --> 00:47:51,584
and I was
a rather dutiful child.

1141
00:47:51,667 --> 00:47:54,751
<i>And when my parents read
the script of "Rebel,"</i>

1142
00:47:54,834 --> 00:47:56,417
<i>they said,
"Oh, no, not this one,"</i>

1143
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:57,709
<i>'cause this, you know,
showed parents</i>

1144
00:47:57,792 --> 00:48:00,292
<i>in a rather unsympathetic
light,</i>

1145
00:48:00,375 --> 00:48:02,167
and yet I read it, and for
the first time in my life,

1146
00:48:02,250 --> 00:48:03,459
I said, "Oh, wait a minute.

1147
00:48:03,542 --> 00:48:05,709
I have to do this.
I love this."

1148
00:48:05,792 --> 00:48:07,792
<i>You know, I love Judy,
and I felt</i>

1149
00:48:07,876 --> 00:48:11,000
<i>very much of a connection,
identification with the part,</i>

1150
00:48:11,083 --> 00:48:13,667
<i>and I guess I was going
through my first rebellion.</i>

1151
00:48:13,751 --> 00:48:16,042
<i>- My mom wanted to make
"Rebel Without a Cause"</i>

1152
00:48:16,125 --> 00:48:18,292
<i>because she knew
that it was gonna take her</i>

1153
00:48:18,375 --> 00:48:21,000
away from these sort
of good little girl roles

1154
00:48:21,083 --> 00:48:22,918
<i>into leading lady roles,</i>

1155
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,083
<i>and so she fought really hard
to get that part.</i>

1156
00:48:26,167 --> 00:48:27,584
<i>- When I was 15 years old</i>

1157
00:48:27,667 --> 00:48:28,959
<i>and doing
"Rebel Without a Cause,"</i>

1158
00:48:29,042 --> 00:48:30,417
<i>at that time,</i>

1159
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:31,667
the director and the studios
and so forth

1160
00:48:31,751 --> 00:48:32,918
said I was too young,

1161
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,083
<i>even though I was
exactly the right age.</i>

1162
00:48:34,167 --> 00:48:35,459
<i>They were sort of testing
older girls,</i>

1163
00:48:35,542 --> 00:48:38,751
<i>and they also saw me
in pigtails with a pinafore,</i>

1164
00:48:38,834 --> 00:48:40,125
<i>because those were
the kind of parts</i>

1165
00:48:40,209 --> 00:48:42,083
<i>that I was associated with.</i>

1166
00:48:42,167 --> 00:48:43,459
<i>So I tested for it</i>

1167
00:48:43,542 --> 00:48:45,000
<i>a number of times,
as a matter of fact.</i>

1168
00:48:45,083 --> 00:48:46,334
Well, it's all right now.

1169
00:48:46,417 --> 00:48:48,500
You're our baby now.

1170
00:48:48,584 --> 00:48:50,626
<i>I think I also got
into a car accident,</i>

1171
00:48:50,709 --> 00:48:52,792
<i>and instead of telling them
to call my parents,</i>

1172
00:48:52,876 --> 00:48:54,000
<i>I told them to call
the director</i>

1173
00:48:54,083 --> 00:48:55,167
<i>because one of the policemen</i>

1174
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:57,500
<i>called me
a juvenile delinquent,</i>

1175
00:48:57,584 --> 00:48:58,876
and I said, "Oh, well,
then that must mean

1176
00:48:58,959 --> 00:49:02,626
that I have the part."
[laughs]

1177
00:49:02,709 --> 00:49:04,834
"Call Nick Ray."

1178
00:49:04,918 --> 00:49:05,959
- There's sort of
a famous story

1179
00:49:06,042 --> 00:49:08,042
where she went
to the Chateau Marmont

1180
00:49:08,125 --> 00:49:09,209
<i>to get together
with Nicholas Ray,</i>

1181
00:49:09,292 --> 00:49:10,792
<i>the director
of "Rebel Without a Cause,"</i>

1182
00:49:10,876 --> 00:49:13,459
<i>and something intimate went on
with the two of them,</i>

1183
00:49:13,542 --> 00:49:14,667
<i>a risky business back then.</i>

1184
00:49:14,751 --> 00:49:17,125
<i>She was underage,
and he was older,</i>

1185
00:49:17,209 --> 00:49:18,667
right, so that would've been
a problem today.

1186
00:49:18,751 --> 00:49:21,250
- I met Nicholas Ray
a couple of times

1187
00:49:21,334 --> 00:49:23,709
<i>even before
she was in "Rebel,"</i>

1188
00:49:23,792 --> 00:49:27,667
<i>and I knew when we went
to Nicholas Ray's apartment</i>

1189
00:49:27,751 --> 00:49:29,876
<i>that I never went upstairs.</i>

1190
00:49:30,542 --> 00:49:32,834
And she would tell me
the next day or two

1191
00:49:32,918 --> 00:49:35,500
<i>she just thought she was
in love with Nicholas Ray,</i>

1192
00:49:35,584 --> 00:49:37,792
<i>and I said,
"Natalie, he's so old."</i>

1193
00:49:37,876 --> 00:49:39,709
<i>She's, "Well, you know
I like older men."</i>

1194
00:49:39,792 --> 00:49:41,375
I said, "But this
is really old."

1195
00:49:41,459 --> 00:49:43,876
<i>- At no time did any
of the gentlemen</i>

1196
00:49:43,959 --> 00:49:45,959
<i>who were considered
your bosses--</i>

1197
00:49:46,042 --> 00:49:47,667
did they ever ask you
to do something

1198
00:49:47,751 --> 00:49:51,334
that might be considered
immoral?

1199
00:49:51,417 --> 00:49:52,959
- No.

1200
00:49:55,584 --> 00:49:57,209
<i>[light music]</i>

1201
00:49:57,292 --> 00:50:01,167
<i>- Natalie is a product
of the studio system:</i>

1202
00:50:01,250 --> 00:50:03,167
<i>getting there on time
in the morning,</i>

1203
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:04,959
<i>working all day long,</i>

1204
00:50:05,042 --> 00:50:07,667
knowing all of her lines
all the time.

1205
00:50:07,751 --> 00:50:10,083
<i>That was the training
in that system,</i>

1206
00:50:10,167 --> 00:50:13,792
<i>and she came out of it
in such a good way.</i>

1207
00:50:13,876 --> 00:50:15,334
Not everybody did,

1208
00:50:15,417 --> 00:50:16,751
<i>because that system</i>

1209
00:50:16,834 --> 00:50:19,584
<i>controlled everything
in your life.</i>

1210
00:50:19,667 --> 00:50:22,083
<i>You were just told
what pictures you're gonna do</i>

1211
00:50:22,167 --> 00:50:24,918
<i>and what time to report.</i>

1212
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,834
<i>- She was owned by the studio,</i>

1213
00:50:26,918 --> 00:50:28,375
<i>and she didn't want
to be owned.</i>

1214
00:50:28,459 --> 00:50:30,709
She wanted to have control
over the choices.

1215
00:50:30,792 --> 00:50:33,500
<i>I mean, if she's gonna spend
three months doing a film,</i>

1216
00:50:33,584 --> 00:50:35,209
<i>she wants to believe in it,</i>

1217
00:50:35,292 --> 00:50:37,626
<i>so she took on Jack Warner
and told him,</i>

1218
00:50:37,709 --> 00:50:38,876
<i>"I'm gonna go on strike</i>

1219
00:50:38,959 --> 00:50:40,250
<i>"because I don't like
the roles</i>

1220
00:50:40,334 --> 00:50:42,542
<i>that you're choosing for me."</i>

1221
00:50:42,626 --> 00:50:45,250
<i>- The suspension lasted
about 18 months,</i>

1222
00:50:45,334 --> 00:50:47,334
<i>so that--the punishment was</i>

1223
00:50:47,417 --> 00:50:49,334
that if you wouldn't work
for them,

1224
00:50:49,417 --> 00:50:50,834
you couldn't work
anywhere else either.

1225
00:50:50,918 --> 00:50:52,000
<i>- Right.
- It wasn't that I was</i>

1226
00:50:52,083 --> 00:50:52,959
<i>trying to get more money.</i>

1227
00:50:53,042 --> 00:50:54,959
<i>That really wasn't it at all.</i>

1228
00:50:55,042 --> 00:50:57,626
<i>But what I eventually did get
the right to do</i>

1229
00:50:57,709 --> 00:51:01,626
<i>was the right to choose
one picture a year</i>

1230
00:51:01,709 --> 00:51:02,959
that, you know,
was my choice.

1231
00:51:03,042 --> 00:51:04,542
The first one
that I was able to choose

1232
00:51:04,626 --> 00:51:05,792
was "West Side Story."

1233
00:51:05,876 --> 00:51:08,125
Tonight is the real beginning
of my life

1234
00:51:08,209 --> 00:51:10,751
as a young lady of America.

1235
00:51:10,834 --> 00:51:13,584
<i>- With "West Side Story,"
she became iconic,</i>

1236
00:51:13,667 --> 00:51:15,125
<i>a great legend.</i>

1237
00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:18,250
I remember going
to train stations with Natalie

1238
00:51:18,334 --> 00:51:20,209
or going to airports with her,

1239
00:51:20,292 --> 00:51:23,417
<i>and there--hundreds of people
would recognize her.</i>

1240
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,125
-<i> Madre de Dios,</i>
I will do anything.

1241
00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:27,792
Make me die,

1242
00:51:27,876 --> 00:51:30,000
only please make it
to be true!

1243
00:51:30,083 --> 00:51:32,375
<i>- Today she would never
be cast in that role</i>

1244
00:51:32,459 --> 00:51:34,125
<i>because she's not
Puerto Rican.</i>

1245
00:51:34,209 --> 00:51:35,584
That was obviously
a different time.

1246
00:51:35,667 --> 00:51:36,626
<i>- It's sort of interesting</i>

1247
00:51:36,709 --> 00:51:38,626
<i>that Natalie Wood
would not have</i>

1248
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:42,500
one of her iconic roles today,
for sure.

1249
00:51:42,584 --> 00:51:45,334
<i>- You didn't get nominated
for an Academy Award</i>

1250
00:51:45,417 --> 00:51:46,334
<i>for "West Side Story,"</i>

1251
00:51:46,417 --> 00:51:48,834
<i>but there was
a particular reason why.</i>

1252
00:51:48,918 --> 00:51:50,584
- Well, I was nominated
for "Splendor in the Grass."

1253
00:51:50,667 --> 00:51:52,459
- Right.
[both laugh]

1254
00:51:52,542 --> 00:51:55,042
<i>- By the age of 25,
my mom had been nominated</i>

1255
00:51:55,125 --> 00:51:56,125
<i>for three Oscars.</i>

1256
00:51:56,209 --> 00:51:58,292
<i>She was nominated
for Best Supporting Actress</i>

1257
00:51:58,375 --> 00:51:59,918
<i>for "Rebel Without a Cause,"</i>

1258
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,626
<i>she was nominated
for Best Actress</i>

1259
00:52:01,709 --> 00:52:02,959
<i>for "Splendor in the Grass,"</i>

1260
00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:04,459
<i>and she was nominated
for Best Actress</i>

1261
00:52:04,542 --> 00:52:06,584
<i>for "Love with
the Proper Stranger."</i>

1262
00:52:06,667 --> 00:52:09,000
<i>Unfortunately,
she never won,</i>

1263
00:52:09,083 --> 00:52:10,918
<i>but I remember, in 1980,</i>

1264
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,042
<i>my parents getting dressed up</i>

1265
00:52:12,125 --> 00:52:13,876
<i>to go
to the Golden Globe Awards,</i>

1266
00:52:13,959 --> 00:52:15,042
and she won.

1267
00:52:15,125 --> 00:52:17,709
- Natalie Wood.
[applause]

1268
00:52:17,792 --> 00:52:20,209
<i>- She won a Golden Globe
for the television version</i>

1269
00:52:20,292 --> 00:52:23,709
<i>of "From Here to Eternity"
with William Devane.</i>

1270
00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:25,792
- This really feels nice.

1271
00:52:25,876 --> 00:52:28,042
Thank you very much.

1272
00:52:28,125 --> 00:52:30,000
I'm completely surprised.

1273
00:52:30,083 --> 00:52:32,334
<i>- She always had the ability</i>

1274
00:52:32,417 --> 00:52:34,918
<i>to recognize good material,</i>

1275
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,042
<i>and when she did "Splendor"</i>

1276
00:52:37,125 --> 00:52:40,417
<i>and after "West Side Story"
was a tremendous hit,</i>

1277
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:42,375
<i>she could start to make
her own decisions</i>

1278
00:52:42,459 --> 00:52:43,792
<i>on what she wanted to do</i>

1279
00:52:43,876 --> 00:52:45,459
<i>and what was available
for her.</i>

1280
00:52:45,542 --> 00:52:47,000
She stepped out there
and took risks.

1281
00:52:47,083 --> 00:52:49,042
- I'm a female
past the age of consent.

1282
00:52:49,125 --> 00:52:51,792
I was the first woman to edit
the newspaper at my college.

1283
00:52:51,876 --> 00:52:53,751
And I shall remain
handcuffed to this door

1284
00:52:53,834 --> 00:52:56,125
until I become
the first female reporter

1285
00:52:56,209 --> 00:52:58,334
of the "New York Sentinel."
- Over my dead body.

1286
00:52:58,417 --> 00:53:00,083
<i>- In "The Great Race,"</i>

1287
00:53:00,167 --> 00:53:02,083
<i>even though
it was a comedy,</i>

1288
00:53:02,167 --> 00:53:04,375
<i>she still was playing
a character</i>

1289
00:53:04,459 --> 00:53:07,667
<i>who was defending women,
believed in women,</i>

1290
00:53:07,751 --> 00:53:09,292
<i>but she found out
that she was not</i>

1291
00:53:09,375 --> 00:53:12,083
<i>being paid or treated equally</i>

1292
00:53:12,167 --> 00:53:14,334
<i>to Tony Curtis
and Jack Lemmon,</i>

1293
00:53:14,417 --> 00:53:17,417
so she went to all kinds
of extremes

1294
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,417
<i>to make sure
that everything was equal,</i>

1295
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:21,167
<i>down to the length</i>

1296
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:23,125
<i>of the phone cord
in their rooms.</i>

1297
00:53:23,209 --> 00:53:24,876
<i>- And she was one
of the few women</i>

1298
00:53:24,959 --> 00:53:27,918
that had the power
to do that at that time.

1299
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,709
There weren't a lot of women
that did

1300
00:53:29,792 --> 00:53:31,542
<i>and who were outspoken enough</i>

1301
00:53:31,626 --> 00:53:34,042
<i>and could back it up
with her knowledge,</i>

1302
00:53:34,125 --> 00:53:35,834
<i>and everyone
who worked with her knew it.</i>

1303
00:53:35,918 --> 00:53:37,292
<i>They all learned from her.</i>

1304
00:53:37,375 --> 00:53:38,417
<i>- There's a picture of her</i>

1305
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,375
<i>where she's
at the head of the table,</i>

1306
00:53:40,459 --> 00:53:42,959
<i>and then there's
her publicist, her agent,</i>

1307
00:53:43,042 --> 00:53:44,334
<i>her business manager.</i>

1308
00:53:44,417 --> 00:53:45,792
<i>They all work for her.</i>

1309
00:53:45,876 --> 00:53:47,000
<i>She's the only woman,</i>

1310
00:53:47,083 --> 00:53:48,709
<i>and she's
at the head of the table.</i>

1311
00:53:48,792 --> 00:53:51,417
And she wasn't afraid
to be empowered.

1312
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:55,250
<i>- I certainly owe
the beginning</i>

1313
00:53:55,334 --> 00:53:57,000
<i>of my career in film to her</i>

1314
00:53:57,083 --> 00:53:59,834
<i>'cause I was an actor
on Broadway in the theater,</i>

1315
00:53:59,918 --> 00:54:02,334
and so she came to see
a play that I was in,

1316
00:54:02,417 --> 00:54:04,000
came backstage to say hello.

1317
00:54:04,083 --> 00:54:06,417
I was very flattered,
and then that was that.

1318
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,250
<i>Then a while later,
when they were getting her</i>

1319
00:54:08,334 --> 00:54:10,918
<i>to do "Inside Daisy Clover,"
my name came up,</i>

1320
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,167
<i>but I wasn't known at all
in Hollywood,</i>

1321
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:15,209
<i>and she was the one</i>

1322
00:54:15,292 --> 00:54:18,000
that stuck up for me
and said, "I want him."

1323
00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:20,334
<i>And there were a lot of people
that tried to resist that,</i>

1324
00:54:20,417 --> 00:54:21,500
<i>said,
"Well, he's just not known,</i>

1325
00:54:21,584 --> 00:54:23,500
<i>and you're a big star
and he's not," and so forth.</i>

1326
00:54:23,584 --> 00:54:25,792
She--"I don't care.
I want to do it with him."

1327
00:54:25,876 --> 00:54:27,834
There was a young lady
named Cherry

1328
00:54:27,918 --> 00:54:31,250
who used to get swacked
on sweet sherry.

1329
00:54:31,334 --> 00:54:33,500
And when they said--

1330
00:54:33,584 --> 00:54:34,876
uh, when they said.

1331
00:54:34,959 --> 00:54:38,125
What--what...
what--what--help me!

1332
00:54:38,209 --> 00:54:40,125
- Um...
- When they said what?

1333
00:54:40,209 --> 00:54:41,542
- Um...
- Do you think

1334
00:54:41,626 --> 00:54:43,959
it's a sensible drink?

1335
00:54:44,042 --> 00:54:45,375
- That's good.

1336
00:54:47,042 --> 00:54:48,584
She replied...

1337
00:54:52,334 --> 00:54:53,375
Not very.

1338
00:54:54,542 --> 00:54:57,292
<i>So once that happened
and we made that film,</i>

1339
00:54:57,375 --> 00:54:59,042
<i>then we went into
"This Property Is Condemned,"</i>

1340
00:54:59,125 --> 00:55:00,417
<i>which she was desperate
to make.</i>

1341
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:03,209
<i>She's, "Well, I'd like
to stay connected to Bob,"</i>

1342
00:55:03,292 --> 00:55:05,209
so she just sort of
carried me along.

1343
00:55:05,292 --> 00:55:06,959
- Just because some people
might think I'm beautiful,

1344
00:55:07,042 --> 00:55:09,334
that doesn't mean
I'm everybody's property.

1345
00:55:09,417 --> 00:55:11,125
- If you really thought
you were beautiful,

1346
00:55:11,209 --> 00:55:12,459
you wouldn't be
anybody's property.

1347
00:55:12,542 --> 00:55:13,751
You'd be your own girl.

1348
00:55:13,834 --> 00:55:16,542
- I am my own girl,
Mr. Legate,

1349
00:55:16,626 --> 00:55:18,667
and I certainly don't need
some smart aleck like you

1350
00:55:18,751 --> 00:55:20,667
to come along and point out
the error of my ways.

1351
00:55:20,751 --> 00:55:23,292
<i>- When I watch her films,
I straddle a fine line</i>

1352
00:55:23,375 --> 00:55:26,209
<i>between being caught
in her performance</i>

1353
00:55:26,292 --> 00:55:30,709
<i>and then searching for clues
about who she was.</i>

1354
00:55:30,792 --> 00:55:33,000
I think many of the movies
that my mom chose

1355
00:55:33,083 --> 00:55:36,751
had a cathartic aspect,
"Daisy Clover" especially.

1356
00:55:36,834 --> 00:55:38,584
<i>The scene
in the recording booth</i>

1357
00:55:38,667 --> 00:55:40,709
<i>where she's supposed
to dub herself</i>

1358
00:55:40,792 --> 00:55:42,542
<i>and we can't hear her
'cause we're outside</i>

1359
00:55:42,626 --> 00:55:44,709
of the recording booth
but she's screaming...

1360
00:55:44,792 --> 00:55:46,250
- [screams]

1361
00:55:46,334 --> 00:55:48,083
<i>- That's how she felt
on the inside.</i>

1362
00:55:48,167 --> 00:55:49,459
<i>She was screaming
on the inside,</i>

1363
00:55:49,542 --> 00:55:51,876
<i>but nobody can hear her
because she was</i>

1364
00:55:51,959 --> 00:55:54,751
<i>owned by the studio.</i>

1365
00:55:54,834 --> 00:55:56,417
<i>- You have, in "Daisy Clover,"</i>

1366
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:58,417
<i>the really brilliant
crack-up scene.</i>

1367
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:00,542
<i>You have another one
in "Splendor in the Grass"</i>

1368
00:56:00,626 --> 00:56:01,876
<i>in the bathtub.</i>

1369
00:56:01,959 --> 00:56:04,042
<i>Those scenes must have been
difficult to do.</i>

1370
00:56:04,125 --> 00:56:06,292
<i>- I think they're
the kind of scenes</i>

1371
00:56:06,375 --> 00:56:08,876
that one does just have to,
you know,

1372
00:56:08,959 --> 00:56:10,209
get into a certain mood,

1373
00:56:10,292 --> 00:56:12,542
and it's the kind of thing
that you can't do

1374
00:56:12,626 --> 00:56:14,417
<i>very many times
over and over again.</i>

1375
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,542
No, Mom!
I'm not spoiled!

1376
00:56:17,626 --> 00:56:20,125
I'm not spoiled, Mom!
- Deanie...

1377
00:56:20,209 --> 00:56:21,918
- I'm just as fresh
and I'm virginal

1378
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,417
like the day I was born, Mom!

1379
00:56:23,500 --> 00:56:25,000
- Stop it!
Stop it!

1380
00:56:25,083 --> 00:56:27,292
<i>- In the time that my mom
came of age,</i>

1381
00:56:27,375 --> 00:56:30,125
<i>nervous breakdowns
and mental institutions</i>

1382
00:56:30,209 --> 00:56:31,876
<i>and suicide,</i>

1383
00:56:31,959 --> 00:56:34,042
<i>that was more
of a taboo thing.</i>

1384
00:56:34,125 --> 00:56:36,125
There was a stigma
about all that stuff.

1385
00:56:36,209 --> 00:56:37,209
- Deanie, come back here!

1386
00:56:37,292 --> 00:56:38,918
<i>- And in
"Splendor in the Grass,"</i>

1387
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,417
<i>she tries to commit suicide
in the water,</i>

1388
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:44,626
<i>and then she goes
to a mental institution</i>

1389
00:56:44,709 --> 00:56:46,167
<i>for two years.</i>

1390
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:47,417
- She hasn't spoken
a word of sense

1391
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:49,959
since they brought her
in here.

1392
00:56:50,042 --> 00:56:51,751
<i>- But in 1964,</i>

1393
00:56:51,834 --> 00:56:53,918
<i>three years after "Splendor"
was released,</i>

1394
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,834
<i>these themes
were actually reflected</i>

1395
00:56:55,918 --> 00:56:57,751
<i>in her real life.</i>

1396
00:56:57,834 --> 00:56:59,918
<i>While she was filming
"The Great Race,"</i>

1397
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,500
<i>she felt lonely and unhappy</i>

1398
00:57:02,584 --> 00:57:05,334
<i>and afraid of never being able
to maintain</i>

1399
00:57:05,417 --> 00:57:08,000
<i>a stable
and healthy relationship,</i>

1400
00:57:08,083 --> 00:57:10,209
<i>so she took
enough sleeping pills</i>

1401
00:57:10,292 --> 00:57:11,876
<i>to kill herself.</i>

1402
00:57:11,959 --> 00:57:13,667
<i>When I found out
about all this,</i>

1403
00:57:13,751 --> 00:57:16,334
<i>my Daddy Wagner
told me to talk to Mart</i>

1404
00:57:16,417 --> 00:57:18,500
<i>because he was spending
the night at her house</i>

1405
00:57:18,584 --> 00:57:19,709
<i>when it happened.</i>

1406
00:57:19,792 --> 00:57:22,500
- It was an overdose
and a half.

1407
00:57:22,584 --> 00:57:24,959
I mean, God almighty,
she was out.

1408
00:57:25,042 --> 00:57:27,292
And I was told that,

1409
00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:29,250
you know, after they pumped
her stomach, they didn't know

1410
00:57:29,334 --> 00:57:30,792
whether she was gonna
pull through or not,

1411
00:57:30,876 --> 00:57:32,542
<i>but she did.</i>

1412
00:57:32,626 --> 00:57:34,209
<i>- She spent the weekend
in the hospital,</i>

1413
00:57:34,292 --> 00:57:35,417
<i>and on Monday morning,</i>

1414
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:37,292
<i>she was back at work
on "The Great Race."</i>

1415
00:57:37,375 --> 00:57:39,292
<i>But I don't necessarily look
at that night</i>

1416
00:57:39,375 --> 00:57:40,709
<i>as a suicide attempt.</i>

1417
00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:43,209
<i>It was really
a cry for help.</i>

1418
00:57:43,292 --> 00:57:44,709
<i>After she swallowed the pills,</i>

1419
00:57:44,792 --> 00:57:46,667
<i>she banged on Mart's door,</i>

1420
00:57:46,751 --> 00:57:49,209
<i>so obviously,
she wanted to live.</i>

1421
00:57:49,292 --> 00:57:51,125
- I read that you were
in analysis--

1422
00:57:51,209 --> 00:57:52,375
I don't know
if this is correct or not--

1423
00:57:52,459 --> 00:57:54,250
eight year--for eight years,
five days a week,

1424
00:57:54,334 --> 00:57:56,000
in Freudian analysis.
- Mm-hmm.

1425
00:57:56,083 --> 00:57:58,167
- You must have dry-cleaned
your mother and father,

1426
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:59,709
I mean,
during that period of time.

1427
00:57:59,792 --> 00:58:01,751
- Well, I sorted out
a few problems.

1428
00:58:01,834 --> 00:58:05,167
Dr. Judd,
don't they realize I'm me?

1429
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:08,292
I don't think I could ever
go back home again.

1430
00:58:08,375 --> 00:58:10,834
I don't think I could ever
feel the same way

1431
00:58:10,918 --> 00:58:12,792
I used to feel about them.

1432
00:58:13,584 --> 00:58:15,709
<i>- We didn't talk a lot
about her childhood,</i>

1433
00:58:15,792 --> 00:58:17,584
<i>but I knew some things,</i>

1434
00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:19,334
<i>and she needed some help,</i>

1435
00:58:19,417 --> 00:58:22,000
<i>and she wasn't gonna get that
from her mom,</i>

1436
00:58:22,083 --> 00:58:25,083
and it probably went
way back, undoubtedly,

1437
00:58:25,167 --> 00:58:26,125
all of it.

1438
00:58:26,209 --> 00:58:30,417
<i>So with her own
significant intelligence</i>

1439
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:32,292
<i>and a good therapist,</i>

1440
00:58:32,375 --> 00:58:36,083
<i>she was able to make sense
of some pretty severe nonsense</i>

1441
00:58:36,167 --> 00:58:37,626
that had come and gone her way.

1442
00:58:37,709 --> 00:58:38,876
- How do you know?

1443
00:58:38,959 --> 00:58:40,417
- Because I've been
your analyst for three years.

1444
00:58:40,500 --> 00:58:41,459
I know what you're capable of,

1445
00:58:41,542 --> 00:58:42,751
and I know what you're not
capable of.

1446
00:58:42,834 --> 00:58:43,876
- Would you like to bet?

1447
00:58:43,959 --> 00:58:45,250
- My reputation in psychiatry

1448
00:58:45,334 --> 00:58:47,000
against anything you care
to put up.

1449
00:58:47,083 --> 00:58:48,292
- Will this be enough?

1450
00:58:48,375 --> 00:58:50,375
<i>I feel I got a great deal
out of analysis,</i>

1451
00:58:50,459 --> 00:58:52,375
and I think a lot of people
think that analysis

1452
00:58:52,459 --> 00:58:54,209
makes one become introspective,

1453
00:58:54,292 --> 00:58:55,334
and I think it does
the opposite.

1454
00:58:55,417 --> 00:58:56,542
I think it opens you.

1455
00:58:56,626 --> 00:58:58,000
I think it frees you
from being

1456
00:58:58,083 --> 00:59:01,042
locked into your own--
worrying about yourself.

1457
00:59:01,125 --> 00:59:02,751
<i>- One of
the most wonderful things</i>

1458
00:59:02,834 --> 00:59:05,209
<i>that she ever did for me was,
she convinced me</i>

1459
00:59:05,292 --> 00:59:07,000
<i>to get into analysis,</i>

1460
00:59:07,083 --> 00:59:09,417
and it saved my life,
without question.

1461
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:13,417
<i>- I remember the day
that I saw Barbra Streisand</i>

1462
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:15,667
<i>come to the set
to talk to Natalie</i>

1463
00:59:15,751 --> 00:59:20,292
about how to block off time
to see your psychiatrist

1464
00:59:20,375 --> 00:59:22,542
<i>during a movie,
'cause stars didn't have that</i>

1465
00:59:22,626 --> 00:59:23,792
<i>in their contracts
at that time,</i>

1466
00:59:23,876 --> 00:59:25,876
<i>but she did.</i>

1467
00:59:25,959 --> 00:59:27,918
There was nothing
out-of-bounds with Natalie.

1468
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,417
I felt so comfortable with her.

1469
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,542
- Here's a toast to Bob
and Carol and Ted and Alice.

1470
00:59:33,626 --> 00:59:35,375
- That's a good--
I'll drink to us.

1471
00:59:35,459 --> 00:59:36,542
- Hats and horns.
- [laughing] Four...

1472
00:59:36,626 --> 00:59:38,918
of the grooviest people
I've ever known.

1473
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,876
<i>- This movie
was about infidelity</i>

1474
00:59:40,959 --> 00:59:42,125
<i>and these encounter groups</i>

1475
00:59:42,209 --> 00:59:44,751
<i>where people were looking
into their real me</i>

1476
00:59:44,834 --> 00:59:48,334
and all the things that were
spanking new at the time

1477
00:59:48,417 --> 00:59:50,000
<i>and very controversial.</i>

1478
00:59:50,083 --> 00:59:51,834
- It just seems wrong.

1479
00:59:51,918 --> 00:59:53,125
- Oh, it's not.

1480
00:59:53,209 --> 00:59:54,834
Look, it's just nice feelings.

1481
00:59:54,918 --> 00:59:56,834
It's something that we've
never done before.

1482
00:59:56,918 --> 01:00:00,167
It's physical fun.
It's just sex.

1483
01:00:00,250 --> 01:00:02,500
<i>- I was not sure of it.</i>

1484
01:00:02,584 --> 01:00:04,459
I thought
it might be exploitative

1485
01:00:04,542 --> 01:00:07,500
in terms of the sexual aspect
of it,

1486
01:00:07,584 --> 01:00:10,959
<i>but Natalie brought
what the film needed:</i>

1487
01:00:11,042 --> 01:00:12,667
<i>not only a star</i>

1488
01:00:12,751 --> 01:00:16,083
<i>but a quality of intelligence</i>

1489
01:00:16,167 --> 01:00:19,500
that an audience
could identify with.

1490
01:00:19,584 --> 01:00:21,792
And even the scene

1491
01:00:21,876 --> 01:00:24,209
<i>when we're all
in bed together,</i>

1492
01:00:24,292 --> 01:00:26,834
<i>I wore two pairs
of jockey shorts,</i>

1493
01:00:26,918 --> 01:00:30,918
<i>but Natalie made it
so easy</i>

1494
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,375
<i>and so natural.</i>

1495
01:00:32,459 --> 01:00:35,876
So that was a great gift
for all of us.

1496
01:00:35,959 --> 01:00:39,292
<i>- In 1970, she had just
come off a big success</i>

1497
01:00:39,375 --> 01:00:41,125
<i>with "Bob & Carol
& Ted & Alice."</i>

1498
01:00:41,209 --> 01:00:44,417
My Daddy Gregson called her
"rich and happy"

1499
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:46,918
<i>because she owned points
in that film,</i>

1500
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,375
<i>and so I think she was
in a really good place</i>

1501
01:00:49,459 --> 01:00:51,042
<i>at that time.</i>

1502
01:00:51,125 --> 01:00:54,000
<i>[peaceful music]</i>

1503
01:00:54,083 --> 01:00:57,500
<i>- At one point,
you had unbelievable power</i>

1504
01:00:57,584 --> 01:00:58,876
<i>for a female</i>

1505
01:00:58,959 --> 01:01:00,834
<i>when you were
one of the few females</i>

1506
01:01:00,918 --> 01:01:02,959
<i>who could get a picture made,</i>

1507
01:01:03,042 --> 01:01:06,584
and then you seemed
to opt out of stardom.

1508
01:01:06,667 --> 01:01:08,167
Why?

1509
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:10,500
- Oh, gosh, Rona,
I don't know.

1510
01:01:10,584 --> 01:01:13,751
I've been acting
since I was five, really,

1511
01:01:13,834 --> 01:01:17,083
<i>and I think that I came
to a point in my life</i>

1512
01:01:17,167 --> 01:01:19,709
<i>where I felt that I wanted
to live some of my life</i>

1513
01:01:19,792 --> 01:01:20,876
<i>without work,</i>

1514
01:01:20,959 --> 01:01:24,000
<i>because I'd always been
so absorbed in work.</i>

1515
01:01:24,083 --> 01:01:27,209
<i>And I also got married
and wanted to have children,</i>

1516
01:01:27,292 --> 01:01:30,584
<i>and I really just enjoyed
being with them.</i>

1517
01:01:30,667 --> 01:01:33,542
<i>[gentle piano music]</i>

1518
01:01:33,626 --> 01:01:38,709
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1519
01:01:38,792 --> 01:01:41,876
<i>- After I was born in 1970,</i>

1520
01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:43,834
<i>my mom took a break
from acting</i>

1521
01:01:43,918 --> 01:01:46,209
<i>for maybe four or five years</i>

1522
01:01:46,292 --> 01:01:49,292
<i>because she wanted to be
a stay-at-home mom.</i>

1523
01:01:49,375 --> 01:01:50,375
And then slowly, you know,

1524
01:01:50,459 --> 01:01:53,167
the acting bug
came back around,

1525
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:56,167
<i>and so she did start to feel
the need to go back to work.</i>

1526
01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:57,292
- May I come in?

1527
01:01:57,375 --> 01:01:58,876
- Why the hell not?

1528
01:01:58,959 --> 01:02:00,125
Better late than never.

1529
01:02:00,209 --> 01:02:02,584
<i>- And then when Courtney
and I were getting older,</i>

1530
01:02:02,667 --> 01:02:03,959
<i>she wanted to act</i>

1531
01:02:04,042 --> 01:02:06,626
<i>with the knowledge
of being a mother.</i>

1532
01:02:06,709 --> 01:02:07,918
- All right.

1533
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,083
That's little Cassie,
always obedient.

1534
01:02:10,167 --> 01:02:11,792
Kiss your mother.
Go to confession.

1535
01:02:11,876 --> 01:02:13,500
Change the baby.
Shut your mouth.

1536
01:02:13,584 --> 01:02:16,459
<i>- "The Cracker Factory"
was a big television event</i>

1537
01:02:16,542 --> 01:02:18,000
<i>of that time,</i>

1538
01:02:18,083 --> 01:02:22,000
and it was very unusual
that a big movie star

1539
01:02:22,083 --> 01:02:25,083
was going to portray
a character on television

1540
01:02:25,167 --> 01:02:27,250
<i>that had so many flaws.</i>

1541
01:02:27,334 --> 01:02:29,000
<i>And I played her daughter,</i>

1542
01:02:29,083 --> 01:02:30,959
<i>and I remember her
being excited</i>

1543
01:02:31,042 --> 01:02:33,876
<i>about playing real struggles
of people's families</i>

1544
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,584
and about being real.

1545
01:02:35,667 --> 01:02:37,834
<i>- It was a book that I just
thought was wonderful,</i>

1546
01:02:37,918 --> 01:02:39,709
<i>and I thought
what made it unusual</i>

1547
01:02:39,792 --> 01:02:41,167
<i>is the woman's real wit</i>

1548
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:42,751
<i>and her way of dealing</i>

1549
01:02:42,834 --> 01:02:44,792
<i>with the problems
that she had.</i>

1550
01:02:44,876 --> 01:02:46,918
<i>And I think it wasn't only
about alcoholism.</i>

1551
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,334
<i>I think it was also
about the many pressures</i>

1552
01:02:49,417 --> 01:02:53,834
that face a woman,
wife, mother today.

1553
01:02:53,918 --> 01:02:58,125
<i>- I would hear discussions
with Natalie and RJ</i>

1554
01:02:58,209 --> 01:02:59,250
'cause here they are
in the bed,

1555
01:02:59,334 --> 01:03:00,626
and I'm over here at the desk.

1556
01:03:00,709 --> 01:03:03,626
<i>RJ was doing "Hart to Hart,"</i>

1557
01:03:03,709 --> 01:03:05,459
<i>and Natalie would say,
"Well, I've got the script,</i>

1558
01:03:05,542 --> 01:03:07,959
<i>'Meteor' with Sean Connery."</i>

1559
01:03:08,042 --> 01:03:10,542
<i>And he'd say, "Well, okay,
I have a break</i>

1560
01:03:10,626 --> 01:03:14,083
<i>during this time,"
because their main rule was,</i>

1561
01:03:14,167 --> 01:03:16,042
they wouldn't both
be working at the same time,

1562
01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:18,083
that somebody would be home
for the children.

1563
01:03:18,167 --> 01:03:19,876
- It doesn't look like
you're ready to jump rope.

1564
01:03:19,959 --> 01:03:21,375
- Well, I think
I'm gonna watch,

1565
01:03:21,459 --> 01:03:23,292
and I'll let the Harts
jump rope today.

1566
01:03:23,375 --> 01:03:24,417
But we do jump rope at home,

1567
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:25,542
and the kids
are gonna jump rope,

1568
01:03:25,626 --> 01:03:27,375
Courtney, Natasha, Katie.

1569
01:03:27,459 --> 01:03:29,042
- I love jump rope.

1570
01:03:29,125 --> 01:03:31,167
- Why?
- Because.

1571
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:32,959
- Does it make you feel good?
- Yes.

1572
01:03:33,042 --> 01:03:34,334
- Do you recommend it?

1573
01:03:34,417 --> 01:03:35,834
- I don't know.

1574
01:03:35,918 --> 01:03:39,042
<i>- I think women today
are trying to have it all</i>

1575
01:03:39,125 --> 01:03:41,876
<i>in the sense
that we don't just choose</i>

1576
01:03:41,959 --> 01:03:43,792
<i>to be one thing
or the other.</i>

1577
01:03:43,876 --> 01:03:46,417
We don't just say, "Well,
now we're gonna give up career,

1578
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:49,292
"sacrifice our life,
and be a wife and a mother,

1579
01:03:49,375 --> 01:03:51,834
or we're gonna be
a career woman, pursue that."

1580
01:03:51,918 --> 01:03:56,209
<i>I mean, I think a lot of us
are trying to do</i>

1581
01:03:56,292 --> 01:03:57,667
<i>all of it, you know,</i>

1582
01:03:57,751 --> 01:04:00,918
without having, you know,
one suffer.

1583
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,918
<i>- I think it was difficult
for her.</i>

1584
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,918
<i>She was torn by wanting</i>

1585
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,751
<i>to be there
with her children</i>

1586
01:04:08,834 --> 01:04:11,167
<i>in a family unit with RJ</i>

1587
01:04:11,250 --> 01:04:13,709
and to fulfill
this other side of her

1588
01:04:13,792 --> 01:04:14,918
<i>that was her core,</i>

1589
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,542
<i>and I think that was
a real growing pressure.</i>

1590
01:04:18,626 --> 01:04:19,876
- Marker.

1591
01:04:19,959 --> 01:04:21,792
<i>- With your children
growing up,</i>

1592
01:04:21,876 --> 01:04:25,375
<i>with your going back
into doing more movies,</i>

1593
01:04:25,459 --> 01:04:29,209
how would you like to see
your 40th birthday approached?

1594
01:04:29,292 --> 01:04:30,792
- Oh, gosh.

1595
01:04:30,876 --> 01:04:33,209
Well, I would like to...work.

1596
01:04:33,292 --> 01:04:34,542
I would like to keep working,

1597
01:04:34,626 --> 01:04:37,000
<i>not necessarily
at a faster speed,</i>

1598
01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:38,918
<i>but I'd like to be able
to do good parts.</i>

1599
01:04:39,042 --> 01:04:40,626
I loved working
in "West Side Story,"

1600
01:04:40,709 --> 01:04:41,876
but I wouldn't go back.

1601
01:04:41,959 --> 01:04:43,000
Today's what counts,

1602
01:04:43,083 --> 01:04:45,083
and RainTree helps you
make the most of it.

1603
01:04:45,167 --> 01:04:47,375
<i>- She was going through
a transition in age,</i>

1604
01:04:47,459 --> 01:04:50,334
<i>which Hollywood was not
very accepting of,</i>

1605
01:04:50,417 --> 01:04:53,459
and even now, it's a problem
once you get those crow's-feet,

1606
01:04:53,542 --> 01:04:54,459
you know?

1607
01:04:54,542 --> 01:04:55,959
Maybe you don't get
the great roles.

1608
01:04:56,042 --> 01:04:58,626
- If you're like me, you don't
want to go back in time.

1609
01:04:58,709 --> 01:05:00,709
You want to stay ahead of it.

1610
01:05:00,792 --> 01:05:02,459
<i>- But she was unsinkable.</i>

1611
01:05:02,542 --> 01:05:04,751
<i>She would accept that,
"Yes, I'm now 40,"</i>

1612
01:05:04,834 --> 01:05:06,542
<i>which seems like nothing now,</i>

1613
01:05:06,626 --> 01:05:07,584
"and I'm gonna work,
and I'm gonna be

1614
01:05:07,667 --> 01:05:10,375
a woman my age,
and it's gonna be great."

1615
01:05:10,459 --> 01:05:13,792
- Come on, now.
Stop holding things back.

1616
01:05:13,876 --> 01:05:15,375
- All right, God damn it.

1617
01:05:15,459 --> 01:05:17,083
I'm not sorry
they're getting divorced.

1618
01:05:17,167 --> 01:05:19,250
I mean, I am sorry
they're getting divorced.

1619
01:05:19,334 --> 01:05:21,375
[both laugh]

1620
01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:23,334
<i>- She had, like,
two personalities,</i>

1621
01:05:23,417 --> 01:05:25,334
both of which
she controlled,

1622
01:05:25,417 --> 01:05:28,000
but when she chose
to be a movie star,

1623
01:05:28,083 --> 01:05:30,459
<i>she was all made up.</i>

1624
01:05:30,542 --> 01:05:32,250
- And, honey...
- Yeah.

1625
01:05:32,334 --> 01:05:34,375
- While you're finishing
your hot dog,

1626
01:05:34,459 --> 01:05:35,918
think of this.

1627
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,876
I'm not wearing anything
underneath my coat.

1628
01:05:38,959 --> 01:05:41,167
- You're kidding.

1629
01:05:43,167 --> 01:05:45,626
So she was very wise

1630
01:05:45,709 --> 01:05:48,667
about how she dispensed
herself,

1631
01:05:48,751 --> 01:05:50,667
the commercial side of her.

1632
01:05:50,751 --> 01:05:52,918
<i>- My mom had
a great publicist</i>

1633
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,334
<i>named George Kirvey,
and he felt,</i>

1634
01:05:55,417 --> 01:05:57,667
<i>when she was hitting
her 40s,</i>

1635
01:05:57,751 --> 01:05:59,792
that it was time
to revamp her image.

1636
01:05:59,876 --> 01:06:01,667
<i>- I was working
for "Look" magazine</i>

1637
01:06:01,751 --> 01:06:04,209
<i>and "People" magazine,</i>

1638
01:06:04,292 --> 01:06:06,209
<i>and George Kirvey said,</i>

1639
01:06:06,292 --> 01:06:10,250
"Maybe, you know, we want
to change Natalie's image

1640
01:06:10,334 --> 01:06:13,626
"to some more sensual,
maybe a little sexier,

1641
01:06:13,709 --> 01:06:17,334
<i>and more of the '70s time,"
and we did that,</i>

1642
01:06:17,417 --> 01:06:19,000
<i>and we
really accomplished that.</i>

1643
01:06:19,083 --> 01:06:20,709
<i>It's been written about:
I changed</i>

1644
01:06:20,792 --> 01:06:23,792
<i>the whole professional look
of Natalie Wood.</i>

1645
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:29,834
This is my favorite photo
of Natalie Wood.

1646
01:06:29,918 --> 01:06:33,417
<i>This is published
all around the world.</i>

1647
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:37,000
And this is the "Anastasia"
poster portrait

1648
01:06:37,083 --> 01:06:39,918
that we did for--
you hold it up--

1649
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,876
<i>for the Ahmanson Theatre.</i>

1650
01:06:41,959 --> 01:06:45,959
<i>- It was an exciting time
for her professionally.</i>

1651
01:06:46,042 --> 01:06:48,000
I remember
having conversations

1652
01:06:48,083 --> 01:06:49,542
with her and George

1653
01:06:49,626 --> 01:06:52,751
<i>about her first
stage appearance</i>

1654
01:06:52,834 --> 01:06:54,125
<i>in "Anastasia."</i>

1655
01:06:54,209 --> 01:06:56,375
<i>She was petrified
of the stage</i>

1656
01:06:56,459 --> 01:06:58,918
<i>but wanted to overcome it.</i>

1657
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,250
<i>- During that time that Mommy</i>

1658
01:07:00,334 --> 01:07:02,417
<i>was thinking
about "Anastasia,"</i>

1659
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:04,250
you were working really hard.

1660
01:07:04,334 --> 01:07:05,584
- Well, we were still doing
"Hart to Hart."

1661
01:07:05,667 --> 01:07:07,125
- You were doing
"Hart to Hart."

1662
01:07:07,209 --> 01:07:09,167
<i>- I was in Hawaii,
you know, on location</i>

1663
01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:10,542
<i>when she was doing
"Brainstorm"</i>

1664
01:07:10,626 --> 01:07:12,584
<i>in North Carolina.</i>

1665
01:07:12,667 --> 01:07:15,250
<i>- In 1981, when my mom
passed away,</i>

1666
01:07:15,334 --> 01:07:18,167
she was in the middle
of filming "Brainstorm,"

1667
01:07:18,250 --> 01:07:21,209
<i>starring Christopher Walken
and Louise Fletcher.</i>

1668
01:07:21,292 --> 01:07:23,584
<i>She was shooting on location
in North Carolina,</i>

1669
01:07:23,667 --> 01:07:25,125
<i>and it was kind of a big deal</i>

1670
01:07:25,209 --> 01:07:28,125
because that was
the first time that my mom

1671
01:07:28,209 --> 01:07:29,125
and my Daddy Wagner

1672
01:07:29,209 --> 01:07:30,751
would be working
at the same time.

1673
01:07:30,834 --> 01:07:32,834
- I think I can get it
down to size

1674
01:07:32,918 --> 01:07:34,459
and make it look attractive,

1675
01:07:34,542 --> 01:07:38,375
maybe something
like stereo headphones.

1676
01:07:38,459 --> 01:07:40,417
- I'm not worried about that.
I know you can.

1677
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:43,125
It's Michael.

1678
01:07:43,209 --> 01:07:46,125
You're gonna have to work
very closely with him.

1679
01:07:46,209 --> 01:07:47,584
Is that a problem?

1680
01:07:47,667 --> 01:07:49,250
- No.

1681
01:07:49,334 --> 01:07:50,918
That won't be any problem.

1682
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,792
- Okay.
- Not for me.

1683
01:07:52,876 --> 01:07:55,083
- At first,
I was very intimidated

1684
01:07:55,167 --> 01:07:56,626
with the idea of working
with Natalie Wood.

1685
01:07:56,709 --> 01:07:58,417
This is
an extremely experienced

1686
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:00,334
and competent actress,

1687
01:08:00,417 --> 01:08:03,959
<i>and Chris Walken is kind of
an experimental performer,</i>

1688
01:08:04,042 --> 01:08:05,876
<i>and he's so extraordinary.</i>

1689
01:08:05,959 --> 01:08:07,417
<i>So I never felt any problem</i>

1690
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:10,125
<i>with trying to make them
fit together as a couple.</i>

1691
01:08:10,209 --> 01:08:11,334
<i>From a director's standpoint,</i>

1692
01:08:11,417 --> 01:08:12,918
<i>I thought
it was gonna work fine.</i>

1693
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,709
But one of the things
that I wanted to comment on

1694
01:08:15,792 --> 01:08:17,500
in the context
of this interview

1695
01:08:17,584 --> 01:08:19,834
<i>is that there was a love scene
between the two,</i>

1696
01:08:19,918 --> 01:08:21,292
<i>a sex scene, actually,</i>

1697
01:08:21,375 --> 01:08:23,667
<i>and I found out
in the shooting of that scene</i>

1698
01:08:23,751 --> 01:08:26,334
<i>that there was
almost no physical charisma</i>

1699
01:08:26,417 --> 01:08:27,834
<i>between them at all,</i>

1700
01:08:27,918 --> 01:08:30,626
and so that made me believe,
in retrospect now,

1701
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:32,500
that the suggestion that there
was some love triangle

1702
01:08:32,584 --> 01:08:35,292
between Natalie and Christopher
and RJ or something like that,

1703
01:08:35,375 --> 01:08:36,792
whatever anybody
would make of it,

1704
01:08:36,876 --> 01:08:37,959
<i>is not true.</i>

1705
01:08:38,042 --> 01:08:39,417
<i>I just think
it's impossible.</i>

1706
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:42,125
<i>- Based on conversations
I had with Natalie,</i>

1707
01:08:42,209 --> 01:08:44,292
<i>she was not having an affair.</i>

1708
01:08:44,375 --> 01:08:46,709
That's based on what
she was saying to me.

1709
01:08:48,417 --> 01:08:50,584
That's what I believe.

1710
01:08:51,167 --> 01:08:53,209
- How do you and your wife
manage to combine

1711
01:08:53,292 --> 01:08:56,584
two successful careers
and a good family life?

1712
01:08:56,667 --> 01:08:58,459
- She's
a really wonderful lady,

1713
01:08:58,542 --> 01:09:00,959
and she rather makes it all
work out.

1714
01:09:01,042 --> 01:09:03,375
You know, she really--
it's a very difficult thing

1715
01:09:03,459 --> 01:09:04,751
to be a mother and an actress

1716
01:09:04,834 --> 01:09:06,584
and have a career
and have a husband

1717
01:09:06,667 --> 01:09:08,209
and all of that.

1718
01:09:08,292 --> 01:09:10,209
It's difficult
because we haven't really

1719
01:09:10,292 --> 01:09:11,667
ever been apart this long.

1720
01:09:11,751 --> 01:09:13,167
This is the longest
we've been apart,

1721
01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:16,626
and it has been--I find it
very difficult, really,

1722
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:18,834
because, you know,
we've been together so much,

1723
01:09:18,918 --> 01:09:21,792
and I think it's difficult
for anybody who's in love

1724
01:09:21,876 --> 01:09:24,000
to be...away from the one--

1725
01:09:24,083 --> 01:09:25,542
the person that they're
in love with.

1726
01:09:25,626 --> 01:09:27,375
- I think it really is
a question

1727
01:09:27,459 --> 01:09:28,918
of trying to figure out
how to use your time

1728
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,000
the best way...
- Mm-hmm.

1729
01:09:30,083 --> 01:09:31,209
- And to be flexible.

1730
01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:32,584
Because I think the main thing

1731
01:09:32,667 --> 01:09:34,542
is to try to be together
as much as possible

1732
01:09:34,626 --> 01:09:36,167
so that everybody--you know,

1733
01:09:36,250 --> 01:09:37,250
so that you're
with your kids enough

1734
01:09:37,334 --> 01:09:40,584
and with your husband enough
and with yourself enough

1735
01:09:40,667 --> 01:09:43,959
and doing
your own thing enough.

1736
01:09:44,042 --> 01:09:45,584
<i>- When she went
to North Carolina,</i>

1737
01:09:45,667 --> 01:09:47,876
<i>I remember that I would
write her these letters,</i>

1738
01:09:47,959 --> 01:09:50,334
and I would cry
as I was writing the letter

1739
01:09:50,417 --> 01:09:51,459
'cause I missed her so much,

1740
01:09:51,542 --> 01:09:54,792
and then I would draw
around the tear,

1741
01:09:54,876 --> 01:09:57,000
and then I would write "tear"
with an arrow...

1742
01:09:57,083 --> 01:09:58,709
[laughs]
Because obviously,

1743
01:09:58,792 --> 01:10:01,209
she couldn't see the tear
'cause it had dried up.

1744
01:10:01,292 --> 01:10:02,834
- Yeah, you did miss her a lot.
- Yeah.

1745
01:10:02,918 --> 01:10:05,000
<i>I really missed her,
and I wasn't used</i>

1746
01:10:05,083 --> 01:10:06,709
<i>to her being gone,</i>

1747
01:10:06,792 --> 01:10:09,876
<i>so when she came back,</i>

1748
01:10:09,959 --> 01:10:12,584
we were all really happy
to see her.

1749
01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:14,459
<i>- We had wrapped
in North Carolina.</i>

1750
01:10:14,542 --> 01:10:16,667
<i>We were done
with the location shooting,</i>

1751
01:10:16,751 --> 01:10:18,083
and we were going back to LA

1752
01:10:18,167 --> 01:10:20,834
<i>to shoot the interiors
and set stuff back at MGMs</i>

1753
01:10:20,918 --> 01:10:22,417
<i>after the Thanksgiving
holiday.</i>

1754
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:24,959
<i>- In 1981, we had Thanksgiving
together as a family</i>

1755
01:10:25,042 --> 01:10:26,667
<i>at the house on Cañon Drive.</i>

1756
01:10:26,751 --> 01:10:29,209
A house full of people,
as always.

1757
01:10:29,292 --> 01:10:31,459
<i>Natalie had returned
from North Carolina</i>

1758
01:10:31,542 --> 01:10:33,500
<i>to finish shooting
"Brainstorm" in Los Angeles,</i>

1759
01:10:33,584 --> 01:10:35,834
<i>and Daddy had come back
from Hawaii,</i>

1760
01:10:35,918 --> 01:10:38,000
<i>where he had been shooting
"Hart to Hart,"</i>

1761
01:10:38,083 --> 01:10:40,751
and it was very rainy
and stormy that weekend.

1762
01:10:40,834 --> 01:10:42,417
<i>Natalie and Daddy
would go out on the boat</i>

1763
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:43,417
<i>a lot for weekends.</i>

1764
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:44,751
<i>A lot of times,
the kids would go,</i>

1765
01:10:44,834 --> 01:10:46,918
<i>but in this case, they were
gonna have an adult weekend,</i>

1766
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,250
<i>and I know that Natalie
had asked several people</i>

1767
01:10:49,334 --> 01:10:50,417
<i>to join them.</i>

1768
01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:52,000
<i>Christopher Walken
was in Los Angeles</i>

1769
01:10:52,083 --> 01:10:53,083
<i>to finish "Brainstorm."</i>

1770
01:10:53,167 --> 01:10:54,709
<i>He did not live
in Los Angeles.</i>

1771
01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:56,334
<i>And so naturally,
she asked him</i>

1772
01:10:56,417 --> 01:10:57,500
<i>to go on the boat.</i>

1773
01:10:57,584 --> 01:11:00,000
<i>And they asked
several other friends</i>

1774
01:11:00,083 --> 01:11:01,125
that just didn't feel
comfortable

1775
01:11:01,209 --> 01:11:02,876
and didn't want to go.

1776
01:11:02,959 --> 01:11:06,667
<i>- It's pouring with rain
the entire Thanksgiving.</i>

1777
01:11:06,751 --> 01:11:08,792
<i>We all were at dinner.</i>

1778
01:11:08,876 --> 01:11:11,709
And I thought,
"Well, this is absurd."

1779
01:11:11,792 --> 01:11:13,209
I mean, besides trying
to get out of it

1780
01:11:13,292 --> 01:11:15,250
because, you know, it was clear

1781
01:11:15,334 --> 01:11:19,250
that RJ and Chris
were arguing all the time,

1782
01:11:19,334 --> 01:11:20,876
<i>I didn't want
any part of it.</i>

1783
01:11:20,959 --> 01:11:24,751
<i>- I remember feeling that
it was a little bit tense,</i>

1784
01:11:24,834 --> 01:11:28,250
and I remember staying later
with her

1785
01:11:28,334 --> 01:11:29,792
to see if she was okay

1786
01:11:29,876 --> 01:11:32,292
<i>after we'd all had dinner,</i>

1787
01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:34,626
<i>and she told me
that she was</i>

1788
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:36,542
<i>and that she'd been
under a lot of pressure</i>

1789
01:11:36,626 --> 01:11:38,042
<i>in the movie</i>

1790
01:11:38,125 --> 01:11:40,709
<i>and would I please come
on the boat,</i>

1791
01:11:40,792 --> 01:11:42,751
but it was my son's birthday,

1792
01:11:42,834 --> 01:11:44,042
so I said to Natalie,

1793
01:11:44,125 --> 01:11:45,292
"I'm not gonna come
on the boat,

1794
01:11:45,375 --> 01:11:48,584
so we'll all have dinner
on the Sunday night,"

1795
01:11:48,667 --> 01:11:50,959
and that was the last time
I saw her.

1796
01:11:51,042 --> 01:11:53,500
<i>- We sat up until all hours
of the night</i>

1797
01:11:53,584 --> 01:11:55,500
<i>on the last night, talking,</i>

1798
01:11:55,584 --> 01:11:58,500
<i>and she was anxious
about going on the boat</i>

1799
01:11:58,584 --> 01:12:02,459
because she felt compromised.

1800
01:12:02,542 --> 01:12:05,334
<i>She loved the life she had,</i>

1801
01:12:05,417 --> 01:12:07,500
<i>and she loved the work,</i>

1802
01:12:07,584 --> 01:12:10,250
<i>and she knew
she couldn't do both fully,</i>

1803
01:12:10,334 --> 01:12:13,209
and these two men
actually represented

1804
01:12:13,292 --> 01:12:14,792
both sides of that argument.

1805
01:12:14,876 --> 01:12:16,918
<i>You know, Chris was--
in her mind,</i>

1806
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,250
<i>he was a free spirit,
an artist,</i>

1807
01:12:19,334 --> 01:12:23,042
<i>and RJ was a responsible
husband and father.</i>

1808
01:12:23,125 --> 01:12:25,918
<i>And I said to her
that I thought it was</i>

1809
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,667
important that she go
on the boat,

1810
01:12:27,751 --> 01:12:29,083
that it would give her
an opportunity

1811
01:12:29,167 --> 01:12:30,417
to work through all of this,

1812
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:34,459
and...silly me.

1813
01:12:34,542 --> 01:12:39,417
- I've never forgiven myself
for not going,

1814
01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:40,834
because I'm sure
there would've been

1815
01:12:40,918 --> 01:12:43,918
a different dynamic somewhere.

1816
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,584
<i>- The last time
I saw my mom</i>

1817
01:12:46,667 --> 01:12:49,042
<i>was the day
after Thanksgiving</i>

1818
01:12:49,125 --> 01:12:51,209
<i>at our house
on Cañon Drive.</i>

1819
01:12:51,292 --> 01:12:52,876
<i>It was raining outside,</i>

1820
01:12:52,959 --> 01:12:55,792
<i>and I didn't want them
to go on the boat,</i>

1821
01:12:55,876 --> 01:12:57,375
so I was hugging her,
and I was telling her,

1822
01:12:57,459 --> 01:12:59,626
"I love you, and I don't want
you to go on the boat,"

1823
01:12:59,709 --> 01:13:02,792
and she was comforting me
and telling me not to worry

1824
01:13:02,876 --> 01:13:04,500
and that everything
would be okay.

1825
01:13:04,584 --> 01:13:08,250
<i>So a few hours later,
my parents left on the boat</i>

1826
01:13:08,334 --> 01:13:10,417
<i>for Catalina
with Christopher Walken,</i>

1827
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:12,334
<i>who I didn't know very well,</i>

1828
01:13:12,417 --> 01:13:14,459
<i>and Dennis Davern,
who my parents hired</i>

1829
01:13:14,542 --> 01:13:16,792
<i>to take care
of the "Splendour."</i>

1830
01:13:16,876 --> 01:13:19,626
- She'd called me
from Catalina,

1831
01:13:19,709 --> 01:13:22,417
<i>and she left two messages
on my machine</i>

1832
01:13:22,500 --> 01:13:24,459
<i>saying, had I heard from RJ?</i>

1833
01:13:24,542 --> 01:13:25,918
<i>She and RJ
had had an argument</i>

1834
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,209
<i>the night before.</i>

1835
01:13:27,292 --> 01:13:28,792
The second was,
she had called back

1836
01:13:28,876 --> 01:13:31,209
to say everything was fine,
not to worry.

1837
01:13:32,209 --> 01:13:34,417
<i>- On the first night,
Mommy had gone</i>

1838
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:37,626
<i>onto Catalina Island
and stayed in a hotel,</i>

1839
01:13:37,709 --> 01:13:38,751
<i>right?
- In Avalon.</i>

1840
01:13:38,834 --> 01:13:39,876
<i>- In Avalon, right.
- Yeah.</i>

1841
01:13:39,959 --> 01:13:42,083
<i>And the reason for that
was because</i>

1842
01:13:42,167 --> 01:13:45,334
<i>we couldn't pick up a mooring
inside the harbor,</i>

1843
01:13:45,417 --> 01:13:48,375
<i>so we dropped the anchor
outside on the breakwater,</i>

1844
01:13:48,459 --> 01:13:50,709
and it was
a very rough night,

1845
01:13:50,792 --> 01:13:53,500
and the boat was, you know,
just going up and down,

1846
01:13:53,584 --> 01:13:54,667
up and down,

1847
01:13:54,751 --> 01:13:56,209
and it was
very uncomfortable.

1848
01:13:56,292 --> 01:13:58,334
- So you guys
were kind of arguing.

1849
01:13:58,417 --> 01:13:59,834
- Yes,
that got your mother

1850
01:13:59,918 --> 01:14:02,167
very nervous,
and so we decided

1851
01:14:02,250 --> 01:14:03,375
that she'd go ashore,

1852
01:14:03,459 --> 01:14:05,959
and Chris and I stayed
on board the boat

1853
01:14:06,042 --> 01:14:07,167
and just took watches
to see

1854
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:08,292
that it was all right
and everything,

1855
01:14:08,375 --> 01:14:10,292
and then she came back
on board the next morning,

1856
01:14:10,375 --> 01:14:13,167
<i>and we decided
to go from Avalon</i>

1857
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:14,918
<i>down to the Isthmus,</i>

1858
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,250
<i>and we were gonna
show Chris that anyway,</i>

1859
01:14:17,334 --> 01:14:19,125
<i>'cause that's where
we spent our honeymoon</i>

1860
01:14:19,209 --> 01:14:20,709
<i>and all of that.
- Mm-hmm.</i>

1861
01:14:20,792 --> 01:14:23,167
<i>- And when we were
at the Isthmus,</i>

1862
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,918
<i>we tied up there,
and I went to sleep</i>

1863
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,459
'cause I was really tired.

1864
01:14:27,542 --> 01:14:28,959
- From the night before.
- From the night before.

1865
01:14:29,042 --> 01:14:31,250
- Uh-huh.
- And when I woke up,

1866
01:14:31,334 --> 01:14:33,500
Chris and your mother
had gone to shore...

1867
01:14:33,584 --> 01:14:36,375
- Mm-hmm.
- To this bar that was there.

1868
01:14:36,459 --> 01:14:38,334
I met them.
I got a shore boat.

1869
01:14:38,417 --> 01:14:39,667
And, you know,
they had these boats

1870
01:14:39,751 --> 01:14:42,209
that came up, picked you up,
and I went and met them,

1871
01:14:42,292 --> 01:14:44,876
and we had dinner,
which was pretty nice,

1872
01:14:44,959 --> 01:14:49,667
and I remember I had, you know,
a few glasses of vino,

1873
01:14:49,751 --> 01:14:54,209
and I was feeling
pretty good, and...

1874
01:14:54,292 --> 01:14:58,500
we came back, you know,
to the boat.

1875
01:14:58,584 --> 01:15:00,626
I opened up
another bottle of wine

1876
01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:02,125
and had a couple more glasses
of wine,

1877
01:15:02,209 --> 01:15:06,292
and I sat there
with Chris, and...

1878
01:15:06,375 --> 01:15:08,918
we started talking, and...

1879
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,751
he started to mention to me
about your mother

1880
01:15:11,834 --> 01:15:12,918
and how wonderful she was

1881
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,751
and what a great actress
she was

1882
01:15:14,834 --> 01:15:16,417
and how he enjoyed
working with her,

1883
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:18,375
and he said, "You know,
I think it's important

1884
01:15:18,459 --> 01:15:19,542
that she works,"
and I said,

1885
01:15:19,626 --> 01:15:21,751
"I think it's important
if you stay out of her life."

1886
01:15:21,834 --> 01:15:25,292
You know, I was
a little teed off about that.

1887
01:15:25,375 --> 01:15:27,209
Suddenly, he's telling me

1888
01:15:27,292 --> 01:15:30,250
what she should do
and how she should behave.

1889
01:15:30,334 --> 01:15:32,000
I got angry at that.

1890
01:15:32,083 --> 01:15:34,042
And so your mother
went down below,

1891
01:15:34,125 --> 01:15:36,250
our stateroom,
where we st--

1892
01:15:36,334 --> 01:15:38,042
our bedroom was down below,

1893
01:15:38,125 --> 01:15:40,542
and she went down below
to get ready to go to bed,

1894
01:15:40,626 --> 01:15:42,876
and I sat there with Chris,
and I said,

1895
01:15:42,959 --> 01:15:44,125
"Why don't you just"--

1896
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:45,792
you know,
"Don't tell her what to do

1897
01:15:45,876 --> 01:15:47,584
and, "Stay out of her life,"

1898
01:15:47,667 --> 01:15:50,500
and I picked up the bottle
and smashed it on the table,

1899
01:15:50,584 --> 01:15:54,167
and, you know, I was really,
you know...

1900
01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:57,834
angry at him about it,

1901
01:15:57,918 --> 01:16:01,000
and as I look back at it,
unjustifiably so,

1902
01:16:01,083 --> 01:16:03,083
you know, but he ducked out,

1903
01:16:03,167 --> 01:16:06,918
went out, went up on the top

1904
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,209
of the deck,

1905
01:16:09,292 --> 01:16:11,417
and I followed him out there,

1906
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:14,876
and I was still saying to him,
you know,

1907
01:16:14,959 --> 01:16:16,375
"Just stay out of it, Chris."

1908
01:16:16,459 --> 01:16:17,792
You know, "Don't get
involved in it.

1909
01:16:17,876 --> 01:16:19,042
It's important.
She's got three children."

1910
01:16:19,125 --> 01:16:20,292
Da-da--you know.
- Yeah.

1911
01:16:20,375 --> 01:16:24,125
- I mean, I was also a little
high at the time, I might say.

1912
01:16:24,209 --> 01:16:25,250
But I calmed down.

1913
01:16:25,334 --> 01:16:30,250
You know, I guess
me being out in the air and...

1914
01:16:30,334 --> 01:16:32,667
Anyway, I calmed down,

1915
01:16:32,751 --> 01:16:35,667
and we went back down below

1916
01:16:35,751 --> 01:16:37,792
and talked for a while.

1917
01:16:37,876 --> 01:16:39,250
- You and Chris?
- Yeah.

1918
01:16:39,334 --> 01:16:41,709
- Uh-huh.
- And he went to his cabin,

1919
01:16:41,792 --> 01:16:44,500
which was up on the other part
of the--forward on the boat,

1920
01:16:44,584 --> 01:16:47,083
and Dennis--

1921
01:16:47,167 --> 01:16:50,083
I had Dennis--you know,
we swept up the glass

1922
01:16:50,167 --> 01:16:54,292
off the floor
and cleaned up the salon a bit.

1923
01:16:54,375 --> 01:16:57,375
And we talked about leaving
the next day

1924
01:16:57,459 --> 01:16:59,292
to go back to the mainland,

1925
01:16:59,375 --> 01:17:02,125
and then I went below,
and when I went below,

1926
01:17:02,209 --> 01:17:04,125
she wasn't there,

1927
01:17:04,209 --> 01:17:06,667
and so I looked around.

1928
01:17:06,751 --> 01:17:10,250
I looked in the bathroom,
and she wasn't in the bathroom,

1929
01:17:10,334 --> 01:17:13,334
and I went on the aft end
of the boat,

1930
01:17:13,417 --> 01:17:14,834
and the dinghy was gone,

1931
01:17:14,918 --> 01:17:16,209
and I came back up,
and I said--

1932
01:17:16,292 --> 01:17:18,417
I got Dennis and Chris.

1933
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:19,584
I said, you know,
"Natalie's not here.

1934
01:17:19,667 --> 01:17:23,250
"She's...she's taken off,

1935
01:17:23,334 --> 01:17:24,542
"I guess, on the dinghy.

1936
01:17:24,626 --> 01:17:27,334
I better--did any of you
hear it?"

1937
01:17:27,417 --> 01:17:29,542
And we--n--see,
nobody heard anything.

1938
01:17:29,626 --> 01:17:30,751
- Right.
- I didn't hear anything.

1939
01:17:30,834 --> 01:17:31,959
I didn't hear
anything about--you know.

1940
01:17:32,042 --> 01:17:34,459
We would have heard it if--
I believe,

1941
01:17:34,542 --> 01:17:36,042
if the dinghy had fired up.

1942
01:17:36,125 --> 01:17:37,834
- Yes.

1943
01:17:37,918 --> 01:17:40,334
- So...
[sighs]

1944
01:17:40,417 --> 01:17:44,375
I...called a shore boat

1945
01:17:44,459 --> 01:17:46,000
when the guys come out,
'cause I thought

1946
01:17:46,083 --> 01:17:47,500
maybe she had gone back
to the restaurant

1947
01:17:47,584 --> 01:17:48,626
or back to the Isthmus,

1948
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:49,834
where there were
these little slips

1949
01:17:49,918 --> 01:17:51,000
where you could put
your boat in and go in.

1950
01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:52,375
- I remember those.

1951
01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:54,250
- The dinghy wasn't there,
and she wasn't there,

1952
01:17:54,334 --> 01:17:55,542
and I yelled up,
and the guy says,

1953
01:17:55,626 --> 01:17:58,167
"Natalie up there?"
"No, she's not here."

1954
01:17:58,250 --> 01:18:01,083
I got back,
and the shore boat came back.

1955
01:18:01,167 --> 01:18:03,292
I said, "She's not--
she didn't go ashore,

1956
01:18:03,375 --> 01:18:05,083
at least to the Isthmus."
- Right.

1957
01:18:05,167 --> 01:18:08,250
- So it was then that we called
the shore patrol

1958
01:18:08,334 --> 01:18:09,876
and said, "Have you,
you know, seen anything?"

1959
01:18:09,959 --> 01:18:11,751
"No, we haven't seen anything."

1960
01:18:11,834 --> 01:18:13,417
We called the coast guard.
The coast guard came in.

1961
01:18:13,500 --> 01:18:17,751
And then, you know,
we waited for a long--

1962
01:18:17,834 --> 01:18:20,083
God, it seemed like forever
to me, and...

1963
01:18:20,167 --> 01:18:21,375
- 'Cause they were looking
for her, right?

1964
01:18:21,459 --> 01:18:23,000
- Yeah, they were looking
for her,

1965
01:18:23,083 --> 01:18:24,250
and this man that I knew

1966
01:18:24,334 --> 01:18:25,876
and that your mother knew,
Doug Bombard,

1967
01:18:25,959 --> 01:18:28,709
he took care of everything
in Catalina at that time

1968
01:18:28,792 --> 01:18:32,417
and had all the moorings,
of which we had one,

1969
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:36,626
and he said, "We found her,"

1970
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:40,125
and I said...

1971
01:18:40,209 --> 01:18:44,250
"Is she okay?"
and he said, "She's dead."

1972
01:18:44,334 --> 01:18:48,000
And...

1973
01:18:48,083 --> 01:18:51,250
everything just went out
from under me.

1974
01:18:51,334 --> 01:18:54,959
You know, just--it just--
everything just

1975
01:18:55,042 --> 01:18:58,709
went away from me, and...

1976
01:18:58,792 --> 01:19:01,542
we were all stunned,
everybody, and...

1977
01:19:01,626 --> 01:19:03,709
<i>[somber music]</i>

1978
01:19:03,792 --> 01:19:05,876
[sighs]

1979
01:19:05,959 --> 01:19:09,334
That night's gone
through my mind so many times,

1980
01:19:09,417 --> 01:19:13,250
you can imagine, and...

1981
01:19:13,334 --> 01:19:17,542
and I...

1982
01:19:17,626 --> 01:19:19,292
You know,
Chris was there with me.

1983
01:19:19,375 --> 01:19:24,667
He, by the way,
is a very stand-up guy

1984
01:19:24,751 --> 01:19:27,667
and a gentleman,
a true gentleman.

1985
01:19:27,751 --> 01:19:29,000
- I remember
that Mart told me

1986
01:19:29,083 --> 01:19:31,542
that he picked you
and Chris Walken up

1987
01:19:31,626 --> 01:19:33,667
at the helicopter...
- Pad, yeah.

1988
01:19:33,751 --> 01:19:36,000
- And you drove to see
Arthur Malin...

1989
01:19:36,083 --> 01:19:37,459
- Mm-hmm.
- Your therapist,

1990
01:19:37,542 --> 01:19:38,918
because you needed
to talk to him

1991
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,292
about how you were gonna
tell Courtney and I.

1992
01:19:41,375 --> 01:19:44,584
- He said to me...

1993
01:19:44,667 --> 01:19:46,876
"RJ," he said,
"I'll just tell you one thing.

1994
01:19:46,959 --> 01:19:48,292
"Don't minimize it.

1995
01:19:48,375 --> 01:19:53,000
Just tell them actually
how devastating it is."

1996
01:19:53,083 --> 01:19:54,626
And I remember,
I took you in my arms,

1997
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:56,792
and, you know, you were
at the bottom of the stairs.

1998
01:19:56,876 --> 01:19:58,751
You remember?

1999
01:19:58,834 --> 01:20:03,375
And I said about your mother.

2000
01:20:03,459 --> 01:20:07,209
- And then we were
all together.

2001
01:20:07,292 --> 01:20:09,667
- And we've been
all together.

2002
01:20:09,751 --> 01:20:11,959
- Yeah.

2003
01:20:12,042 --> 01:20:13,375
- Thank God.

2004
01:20:13,459 --> 01:20:15,709
- Yeah.

2005
01:20:15,792 --> 01:20:17,751
<i>- This afternoon,
Natalie Wood was buried</i>

2006
01:20:17,834 --> 01:20:19,709
<i>in a private ceremony
in Los Angeles,</i>

2007
01:20:19,792 --> 01:20:22,334
<i>attended only by family
and close friends.</i>

2008
01:20:22,417 --> 01:20:26,042
<i>- The funeral
was another media storm.</i>

2009
01:20:26,125 --> 01:20:29,000
<i>They weren't allowed
into the cemetery,</i>

2010
01:20:29,083 --> 01:20:31,083
but they got ladders
to get up on the wall,

2011
01:20:31,167 --> 01:20:33,709
and it was not very pleasant,

2012
01:20:33,792 --> 01:20:36,334
<i>considering we were trying
to pay our respects</i>

2013
01:20:36,417 --> 01:20:38,542
<i>and hold ourselves together.</i>

2014
01:20:38,626 --> 01:20:40,792
<i>- There was photographers
everywhere,</i>

2015
01:20:40,876 --> 01:20:42,250
<i>taking our picture,</i>

2016
01:20:42,334 --> 01:20:45,918
<i>and I was thinking,
"How can they take my picture</i>

2017
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,667
<i>"when I just said good-bye
to my mom?</i>

2018
01:20:50,751 --> 01:20:52,542
It seems so wrong."

2019
01:20:52,626 --> 01:20:54,083
<i>- I remember
your grandmother's</i>

2020
01:20:54,167 --> 01:20:55,751
<i>parting shot to me,</i>

2021
01:20:55,834 --> 01:20:58,209
<i>the last thing
that she ever said to me</i>

2022
01:20:58,292 --> 01:20:59,542
at the funeral.

2023
01:20:59,626 --> 01:21:01,125
She came up to me and said,

2024
01:21:01,209 --> 01:21:02,918
"If you," meaning me,

2025
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,542
"if you had been
on that boat,

2026
01:21:06,626 --> 01:21:10,083
<i>my daughter would be alive."</i>

2027
01:21:10,167 --> 01:21:15,209
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2028
01:21:15,292 --> 01:21:16,792
<i>- The day after the funeral,</i>

2029
01:21:16,876 --> 01:21:20,125
<i>there was a big, bizarre,
hysterical party at the house.</i>

2030
01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:22,626
<i>RJ was in bed upstairs,</i>

2031
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:24,751
and there were
all these movie stars there.

2032
01:21:24,834 --> 01:21:26,792
It was really odd.
I mean, to me, it was odd.

2033
01:21:26,876 --> 01:21:30,500
It was like Madame Tussauds
brought to life, almost,

2034
01:21:30,584 --> 01:21:33,292
and Elizabeth Taylor was there
with the crystal ball,

2035
01:21:33,375 --> 01:21:36,167
and Shirley MacLaine
was gonna heal RJ,

2036
01:21:36,250 --> 01:21:39,334
and it was just really
completely surreal atmosphere,

2037
01:21:39,417 --> 01:21:40,500
<i>I thought.</i>

2038
01:21:40,584 --> 01:21:42,751
<i>- I definitely was trying
to be strong</i>

2039
01:21:42,834 --> 01:21:46,751
<i>because my Daddy Wagner
was so very fragile.</i>

2040
01:21:46,834 --> 01:21:50,959
<i>I was worried
that if I was too upset</i>

2041
01:21:51,042 --> 01:21:53,334
<i>that it would be
too much for him</i>

2042
01:21:53,417 --> 01:21:56,000
and he would just drop dead.

2043
01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:57,584
<i>- He was really suffering,</i>

2044
01:21:57,667 --> 01:22:00,542
<i>and he didn't leave
the bed for days,</i>

2045
01:22:00,626 --> 01:22:02,125
<i>and then Willie Mae,</i>

2046
01:22:02,209 --> 01:22:03,918
<i>who was really part
of the family,</i>

2047
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,751
<i>she came up to the bedroom,
and she said,</i>

2048
01:22:05,834 --> 01:22:06,959
"RJ, you have to get up

2049
01:22:07,042 --> 01:22:08,209
"and get out of this bed
right now.

2050
01:22:08,292 --> 01:22:10,167
Your girls think
you're gonna die."

2051
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:11,667
And that was that.

2052
01:22:11,751 --> 01:22:14,042
Thank God for Willie Mae,
you know?

2053
01:22:14,125 --> 01:22:15,542
<i>- Well, I remember
Willie Mae,</i>

2054
01:22:15,626 --> 01:22:17,500
<i>she helped me get up,</i>

2055
01:22:17,584 --> 01:22:20,500
<i>and I pulled myself together,
and...</i>

2056
01:22:20,584 --> 01:22:22,792
one foot went
in front of the other.

2057
01:22:22,876 --> 01:22:24,792
- Slowly.

2058
01:22:24,876 --> 01:22:27,125
- Very slowly.

2059
01:22:27,209 --> 01:22:29,626
<i>- The press
didn't go away.</i>

2060
01:22:29,709 --> 01:22:31,792
It was really horrible.

2061
01:22:31,876 --> 01:22:33,292
<i>The children couldn't go out.</i>

2062
01:22:33,375 --> 01:22:34,626
<i>They could go
in the back garden,</i>

2063
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:36,584
<i>but they certainly
couldn't go out the front,</i>

2064
01:22:36,667 --> 01:22:40,834
and every friend that came up
to pay their respects,

2065
01:22:40,918 --> 01:22:42,459
click, click, click,
click, click.

2066
01:22:42,542 --> 01:22:45,584
<i>- Most people can't imagine
what that's like,</i>

2067
01:22:45,667 --> 01:22:47,834
<i>to live in that kind
of a fishbowl,</i>

2068
01:22:47,918 --> 01:22:50,334
<i>and so RJ</i>

2069
01:22:50,417 --> 01:22:53,167
didn't want to be at home
at Christmas.

2070
01:22:53,250 --> 01:22:55,876
<i>- We then went away
for Christmas to Switzerland</i>

2071
01:22:55,959 --> 01:22:57,709
<i>to see his friend
David Niven</i>

2072
01:22:57,792 --> 01:23:01,375
<i>and be there and just get away
from the mania</i>

2073
01:23:01,459 --> 01:23:02,375
that was going on
around the house

2074
01:23:02,459 --> 01:23:03,709
on Cañon Drive at the time.

2075
01:23:03,792 --> 01:23:05,125
<i>- And RJ brought the kids,</i>

2076
01:23:05,209 --> 01:23:07,000
<i>encouraged by my father</i>

2077
01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:08,375
<i>to get out of town,</i>

2078
01:23:08,459 --> 01:23:10,834
and found a chalet for RJ

2079
01:23:10,918 --> 01:23:14,042
not far
from my father's chalet.

2080
01:23:14,125 --> 01:23:17,667
<i>- Soon after that,
my dad wanted us to go</i>

2081
01:23:17,751 --> 01:23:20,959
to England to be
with Richard Gregson.

2082
01:23:21,042 --> 01:23:24,334
<i>- It was New Year's Eve,
just after the accident.</i>

2083
01:23:24,417 --> 01:23:26,918
<i>There were reporters
hanging off the trees,</i>

2084
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,751
<i>and RJ was walking
around the garden</i>

2085
01:23:28,834 --> 01:23:30,959
<i>with Richard in tears,</i>

2086
01:23:31,042 --> 01:23:32,918
but at the same time,
we had a party.

2087
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,626
You know, we had fun,
if that sounds odd.

2088
01:23:35,709 --> 01:23:37,250
<i>- There was so much activity.</i>

2089
01:23:37,334 --> 01:23:39,083
<i>When we were traveling
and stuff,</i>

2090
01:23:39,167 --> 01:23:41,834
<i>that seemed rather comforting
to me.</i>

2091
01:23:41,918 --> 01:23:44,417
I think it was
finally coming back home

2092
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:46,250
<i>and, like,
going back to school,</i>

2093
01:23:46,334 --> 01:23:48,125
<i>that didn't feel right.</i>

2094
01:23:48,209 --> 01:23:50,083
<i>- My parents had tried so hard
to give us</i>

2095
01:23:50,167 --> 01:23:52,542
<i>this very stabilized
and structured life,</i>

2096
01:23:52,626 --> 01:23:56,542
and then when she died,
everything went upside down.

2097
01:23:56,626 --> 01:24:00,542
<i>So I think it was a lot
of just surviving for a while.</i>

2098
01:24:05,876 --> 01:24:09,167
<i>- When I went to pay
the condolence call</i>

2099
01:24:09,250 --> 01:24:10,918
<i>to the Wagner house,</i>

2100
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,667
<i>he was broken.</i>

2101
01:24:12,751 --> 01:24:14,667
They were all broken.

2102
01:24:14,751 --> 01:24:17,626
And I had experienced loss
of my own.

2103
01:24:17,709 --> 01:24:20,959
<i>I had lost my ex-husband
in a plane crash.</i>

2104
01:24:21,042 --> 01:24:23,709
<i>I knew what loss felt like.</i>

2105
01:24:23,792 --> 01:24:27,083
<i>- When Jill came into my life,
I was shattered.</i>

2106
01:24:27,167 --> 01:24:29,751
<i>I mean, I was totally empty,</i>

2107
01:24:29,834 --> 01:24:32,751
and she had me by my elbow.

2108
01:24:32,834 --> 01:24:35,042
She was holding me up,

2109
01:24:35,125 --> 01:24:38,417
and I was a lot of weight.

2110
01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:40,417
<i>- We did fall in love</i>

2111
01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:43,459
<i>but not exactly immediately.</i>

2112
01:24:43,542 --> 01:24:45,459
<i>There was such pain</i>

2113
01:24:45,542 --> 01:24:47,417
from such a loss,

2114
01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:49,375
<i>and it took time.</i>

2115
01:24:49,459 --> 01:24:51,167
<i>Fortunately for us,</i>

2116
01:24:51,250 --> 01:24:53,542
<i>it evolved into something
quite beautiful.</i>

2117
01:24:53,626 --> 01:24:56,209
<i>- You know, in the beginning,
when Daddy Wagner and Jill</i>

2118
01:24:56,292 --> 01:24:57,500
<i>started dating,</i>

2119
01:24:57,584 --> 01:24:59,500
I would express to him
at times

2120
01:24:59,584 --> 01:25:01,584
<i>that it was painful
and I didn't like it</i>

2121
01:25:01,667 --> 01:25:04,000
<i>and I didn't feel close
to Jill,</i>

2122
01:25:04,083 --> 01:25:06,459
<i>and she and I talked about it
in therapy.</i>

2123
01:25:06,542 --> 01:25:10,667
I mean, it was definitely
a process.

2124
01:25:10,751 --> 01:25:13,709
<i>- After my mom passed away
and even now,</i>

2125
01:25:13,792 --> 01:25:15,792
<i>I feel like I have
this ever-present echo</i>

2126
01:25:15,876 --> 01:25:18,876
<i>in my ear that just sounds
like it says...</i>

2127
01:25:18,959 --> 01:25:20,834
[whispering] "That's
Natalie Wood's daughter.

2128
01:25:20,918 --> 01:25:22,667
That's
Natalie Wood's daughter."

2129
01:25:22,751 --> 01:25:24,083
You know, and I just hear that,

2130
01:25:24,167 --> 01:25:25,500
<i>and the only thing
I can think of</i>

2131
01:25:25,584 --> 01:25:29,292
<i>that I have to balance
that weird feeling</i>

2132
01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:32,876
<i>is my sister Natasha,
you know, and my sister Katie.</i>

2133
01:25:32,959 --> 01:25:35,751
<i>I just thank God
we had each other during that</i>

2134
01:25:35,834 --> 01:25:37,209
<i>and just in life anyway,</i>

2135
01:25:37,292 --> 01:25:40,334
<i>because I'm so, so close
with my sisters.</i>

2136
01:25:40,417 --> 01:25:43,709
<i>- Courtney was so young.
She was only seven.</i>

2137
01:25:43,792 --> 01:25:45,876
<i>To think that she lost her mom
at that age</i>

2138
01:25:45,959 --> 01:25:47,792
<i>is unimaginable,</i>

2139
01:25:47,876 --> 01:25:49,542
<i>and I think she wanted</i>

2140
01:25:49,626 --> 01:25:52,000
to numb the pain,
she wanted to stop it,

2141
01:25:52,083 --> 01:25:54,209
<i>so she struggled with drugs
and alcohol</i>

2142
01:25:54,292 --> 01:25:56,000
<i>for a really long time,</i>

2143
01:25:56,083 --> 01:25:58,834
<i>and there were times
when I absolutely thought</i>

2144
01:25:58,918 --> 01:26:00,709
<i>that I would lose my sister.</i>

2145
01:26:03,125 --> 01:26:04,834
<i>- When we as a family</i>

2146
01:26:04,918 --> 01:26:07,334
<i>addressed
Courtney's struggles,</i>

2147
01:26:07,417 --> 01:26:11,042
<i>we were all able to speak
from our hearts</i>

2148
01:26:11,125 --> 01:26:13,584
things, perhaps,
we hadn't vocalized before

2149
01:26:13,667 --> 01:26:15,375
of how we felt,

2150
01:26:15,459 --> 01:26:18,918
<i>and I believe it brought us
closer as a family.</i>

2151
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,083
<i>- The main thing
that sobriety has brought me</i>

2152
01:26:22,167 --> 01:26:25,292
<i>is that that is
where I can have</i>

2153
01:26:25,375 --> 01:26:27,083
<i>total control of my life.</i>

2154
01:26:27,167 --> 01:26:28,459
I thought that the other night.

2155
01:26:28,542 --> 01:26:29,918
I thought, "You know what?

2156
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,417
"I'm in control of my life now,

2157
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,375
and I don't have to worry
about anything."

2158
01:26:34,459 --> 01:26:37,375
<i>[gentle music]</i>

2159
01:26:37,459 --> 01:26:40,542
<i>- When my mom was alive,
she always said</i>

2160
01:26:40,626 --> 01:26:42,209
<i>that I wore my heart
on my sleeve,</i>

2161
01:26:42,292 --> 01:26:45,209
<i>and I did.</i>

2162
01:26:45,292 --> 01:26:46,500
<i>But when she died,</i>

2163
01:26:46,584 --> 01:26:50,292
<i>I didn't have a safe place
anymore to be vulnerable,</i>

2164
01:26:50,375 --> 01:26:53,584
<i>so I armored myself
to the outside world</i>

2165
01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,334
<i>with, "I'm fine.
I'm okay.</i>

2166
01:26:55,417 --> 01:26:56,959
<i>"I don't need your pity.</i>

2167
01:26:57,042 --> 01:26:59,209
I'm just fine,
thank you very much."

2168
01:26:59,292 --> 01:27:01,125
<i>But after my mom died,</i>

2169
01:27:01,209 --> 01:27:02,876
<i>I found a lot of strength
and clarity</i>

2170
01:27:02,959 --> 01:27:04,292
<i>from being in therapy,</i>

2171
01:27:04,375 --> 01:27:06,542
<i>and I knew that I wanted
to have a child.</i>

2172
01:27:06,626 --> 01:27:09,042
<i>That was really important,</i>

2173
01:27:09,125 --> 01:27:10,334
<i>and after my daughter
was born,</i>

2174
01:27:10,417 --> 01:27:13,959
<i>I was flooded
with so much happiness</i>

2175
01:27:14,042 --> 01:27:15,292
<i>and gratitude,</i>

2176
01:27:15,375 --> 01:27:17,375
<i>so I named my daughter Clover,</i>

2177
01:27:17,459 --> 01:27:19,709
<i>not necessarily
after the character</i>

2178
01:27:19,792 --> 01:27:22,751
<i>that my mom played,
Daisy Clover,</i>

2179
01:27:22,834 --> 01:27:25,751
<i>but mostly because clovers
are lucky</i>

2180
01:27:25,834 --> 01:27:28,584
<i>and I felt so lucky
to have her.</i>

2181
01:27:28,667 --> 01:27:30,584
<i>And having my daughter
has been</i>

2182
01:27:30,667 --> 01:27:35,417
the most healing thing
for me.

2183
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:36,918
- There's a development tonight

2184
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:39,626
in one of Hollywood's
most enduring mysteries,

2185
01:27:39,709 --> 01:27:41,542
the death of Natalie Wood.

2186
01:27:41,626 --> 01:27:44,667
- What do we think
about, recently,

2187
01:27:44,751 --> 01:27:46,209
them reopening this case?

2188
01:27:46,292 --> 01:27:48,542
<i>- Wood's death was ruled
an accidental drowning,</i>

2189
01:27:48,626 --> 01:27:50,000
<i>but in 2011,</i>

2190
01:27:50,083 --> 01:27:51,500
<i>Los Angeles
sheriff's detectives</i>

2191
01:27:51,584 --> 01:27:52,500
<i>reopened the case</i>

2192
01:27:52,584 --> 01:27:54,834
<i>after Dennis Davern
coauthored a book</i>

2193
01:27:54,918 --> 01:27:56,834
<i>in which he gave
a very different account</i>

2194
01:27:56,918 --> 01:27:58,083
<i>of what happened that night.</i>

2195
01:27:58,167 --> 01:28:01,042
<i>- I believe that Robert Wagner
was with her</i>

2196
01:28:01,125 --> 01:28:03,042
up until the moment
she went into the water.

2197
01:28:03,125 --> 01:28:04,209
- I mean, I know how I feel.

2198
01:28:04,292 --> 01:28:05,959
I feel like people just want

2199
01:28:06,042 --> 01:28:08,626
to have some kind
of media storm.

2200
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:10,792
- This new information
is substantial enough

2201
01:28:10,876 --> 01:28:12,626
for us to want to take
another look at the case.

2202
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:15,542
- Is Robert Wagner a suspect?
- No.

2203
01:28:15,626 --> 01:28:18,918
- Oh, the--it's just
so transparent to me.

2204
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,876
They can print anything
that they want to print today,

2205
01:28:20,959 --> 01:28:23,876
and, you know,
there was the coast guard.

2206
01:28:23,959 --> 01:28:25,584
<i>There was the highway patrol,</i>

2207
01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:27,209
<i>the police department.</i>

2208
01:28:27,292 --> 01:28:29,042
<i>Everybody was on this.</i>

2209
01:28:29,125 --> 01:28:31,250
<i>- When it first happened, yes.
- When it first happened.</i>

2210
01:28:31,334 --> 01:28:33,876
- Shortly after midnight

2211
01:28:33,959 --> 01:28:36,751
of the Sunday morning,

2212
01:28:36,834 --> 01:28:39,834
she apparently attempted

2213
01:28:39,918 --> 01:28:44,125
to get onto the dinghy,

2214
01:28:44,209 --> 01:28:47,500
slipped,
and fell in the water,

2215
01:28:47,584 --> 01:28:52,000
unable to return
to the dinghy or the boat.

2216
01:28:52,083 --> 01:28:55,209
<i>- Noguchi said there was
no evidence of foul play.</i>

2217
01:28:55,292 --> 01:28:56,667
<i>He did indicate, however,</i>

2218
01:28:56,751 --> 01:28:59,626
<i>that tests revealed Ms. Wood
was technically drunk</i>

2219
01:28:59,709 --> 01:29:01,918
<i>but continually referred
to Wood's condition</i>

2220
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,751
<i>as "slightly inebriated."</i>

2221
01:29:03,834 --> 01:29:05,083
<i>He nevertheless admitted</i>

2222
01:29:05,167 --> 01:29:07,042
<i>that alcohol
might have been one reason</i>

2223
01:29:07,125 --> 01:29:09,417
<i>why the actress
was rendered unconscious.</i>

2224
01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:13,250
- When the toxicology report
came out after Natalie drowned,

2225
01:29:13,334 --> 01:29:14,209
<i>it was clear that there was</i>

2226
01:29:14,292 --> 01:29:15,584
<i>a lot of alcohol
in her system.</i>

2227
01:29:15,667 --> 01:29:16,751
<i>There was also a Dalmane,</i>

2228
01:29:16,834 --> 01:29:18,250
<i>the sleeping pill
that she took.</i>

2229
01:29:18,334 --> 01:29:21,042
<i>- The assumption was,
when she went down below,</i>

2230
01:29:21,125 --> 01:29:22,918
<i>she could have gone out</i>

2231
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,876
to retie the dinghy.

2232
01:29:24,959 --> 01:29:27,042
- Well, I remember it used
to drive her crazy,

2233
01:29:27,125 --> 01:29:29,542
and she would always say,
"RJ, can you move the dinghy?

2234
01:29:29,626 --> 01:29:32,334
- Yeah, 'cause it--
- 'Cause the way the water hit

2235
01:29:32,417 --> 01:29:34,209
up against the boat,
it would bang,

2236
01:29:34,292 --> 01:29:36,042
and she was
so sensitive to noise.

2237
01:29:36,125 --> 01:29:37,834
- Yeah, and when
she went out there, was--

2238
01:29:37,918 --> 01:29:39,834
it was a slight mist
that night...

2239
01:29:39,918 --> 01:29:43,000
- Mm-hmm.
- And the assumption is that

2240
01:29:43,083 --> 01:29:45,000
she went out and slipped

2241
01:29:45,083 --> 01:29:47,000
and hit her head

2242
01:29:47,083 --> 01:29:49,250
and rolled into the water.
- Mm-hmm.

2243
01:29:49,334 --> 01:29:51,042
<i>- But there's
always conjecture</i>

2244
01:29:51,125 --> 01:29:53,334
<i>about someone
who's very famous,</i>

2245
01:29:53,417 --> 01:29:57,000
<i>and your mother
was a very famous person.</i>

2246
01:29:57,083 --> 01:29:58,459
And there's always conjecture,
I think,

2247
01:29:58,542 --> 01:29:59,792
you know, that always comes up

2248
01:29:59,876 --> 01:30:01,167
<i>but not to this degree.</i>

2249
01:30:01,250 --> 01:30:02,792
<i>I mean,
this has really been something</i>

2250
01:30:02,876 --> 01:30:04,459
<i>that the media
has taken over.</i>

2251
01:30:04,542 --> 01:30:06,083
- We were approached
by a news agency

2252
01:30:06,167 --> 01:30:08,083
who wanted to take another look
at the case.

2253
01:30:08,167 --> 01:30:09,459
We thought it was
a good idea

2254
01:30:09,542 --> 01:30:11,042
to try and go ahead
and do that.

2255
01:30:11,125 --> 01:30:12,918
- What's a person of interest?

2256
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,584
- Just that.
He's a person of interest

2257
01:30:14,667 --> 01:30:17,709
like...he was there with her,

2258
01:30:17,792 --> 01:30:20,292
last person with her
before she ends up dead.

2259
01:30:20,375 --> 01:30:22,417
- How does it make you feel

2260
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:24,834
when they call you
a person of interest?

2261
01:30:24,918 --> 01:30:27,375
- I don't pay very much
attention to it, Natasha,

2262
01:30:27,459 --> 01:30:29,375
because they're not
gonna redefine me.

2263
01:30:29,459 --> 01:30:30,834
- That's right.

2264
01:30:30,918 --> 01:30:32,042
- You know, they're not
gonna redefine me.

2265
01:30:32,125 --> 01:30:33,334
I know who I am.

2266
01:30:33,417 --> 01:30:37,167
- But it's important to me,
Daddy, that people

2267
01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:40,876
think of you
the way I know that you are,

2268
01:30:40,959 --> 01:30:44,459
and it bothers me
that anyone would ever think

2269
01:30:44,542 --> 01:30:47,792
that you would be involved
in what happened to her,

2270
01:30:47,876 --> 01:30:52,125
because you would've given
your life for my mom.

2271
01:30:52,209 --> 01:30:54,125
- And that's true.
I would've.

2272
01:30:54,209 --> 01:30:57,459
We all would've.
I mean, if there was an--

2273
01:30:57,542 --> 01:30:58,459
if we'd have heard anything

2274
01:30:58,542 --> 01:31:00,459
or known anything
that was going on

2275
01:31:00,542 --> 01:31:02,792
or any kind of disaster
was gonna take place,

2276
01:31:02,876 --> 01:31:04,918
we'd have been there.

2277
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,209
- Have you ever been back
to Catalina?

2278
01:31:07,292 --> 01:31:10,292
- No, I never have gone back
to the island.

2279
01:31:11,584 --> 01:31:13,042
<i>I see it once in a while.</i>

2280
01:31:13,125 --> 01:31:14,709
<i>You know how sometimes
you can see it,</i>

2281
01:31:14,792 --> 01:31:16,209
<i>it's so clear?
- Mm-hmm.</i>

2282
01:31:16,292 --> 01:31:19,751
<i>- Or if I'm taking off
from LAX, you know,</i>

2283
01:31:19,834 --> 01:31:22,667
<i>they turn to the south,
and you go by the island,</i>

2284
01:31:22,751 --> 01:31:24,459
<i>and I look down
at the Isthmus,</i>

2285
01:31:24,542 --> 01:31:27,167
<i>and I think of all
of the great times</i>

2286
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:28,209
<i>that we had there</i>

2287
01:31:28,292 --> 01:31:30,667
<i>and all of the wonderful
life-giving experiences,</i>

2288
01:31:30,751 --> 01:31:34,000
<i>and...you know,
it's just so ironic</i>

2289
01:31:34,083 --> 01:31:37,292
that this all happened,

2290
01:31:37,375 --> 01:31:39,500
you know, that it came
to an end like that, so...

2291
01:31:39,584 --> 01:31:41,375
No, but I never
have been back.

2292
01:31:41,459 --> 01:31:43,334
- Do you have any interest
in going back?

2293
01:31:43,417 --> 01:31:44,709
- Not particularly, no.

2294
01:31:44,792 --> 01:31:46,250
<i>- Do you think
that the real story</i>

2295
01:31:46,334 --> 01:31:49,751
<i>of Natalie Wood's death
has actually come out?</i>

2296
01:31:49,834 --> 01:31:51,751
<i>- The real story of her death</i>

2297
01:31:51,834 --> 01:31:53,459
is that she...

2298
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,000
Drowned,

2299
01:31:57,083 --> 01:32:00,751
and...nobody knows
how she drowned

2300
01:32:00,834 --> 01:32:02,751
or what happened

2301
01:32:02,834 --> 01:32:05,751
except...her.

2302
01:32:05,834 --> 01:32:07,876
<i>[quick piano music]</i>

2303
01:32:07,959 --> 01:32:10,417
<i>- Even if you have black
and white in the situation,</i>

2304
01:32:10,500 --> 01:32:12,792
<i>the tabloid media
will create gray,</i>

2305
01:32:12,876 --> 01:32:14,542
<i>so every year
around the anniversary</i>

2306
01:32:14,626 --> 01:32:16,375
<i>of Natalie's death,
you'd always start</i>

2307
01:32:16,459 --> 01:32:18,500
<i>to see things pop up,</i>

2308
01:32:18,584 --> 01:32:20,751
<i>'cause that's when they
can sell the most.</i>

2309
01:32:20,834 --> 01:32:22,876
And I've had conversations
with editors.

2310
01:32:22,959 --> 01:32:26,334
"Why do you keep running
these awful stories today?"

2311
01:32:26,417 --> 01:32:28,709
"Because they still want
to read about it,

2312
01:32:28,792 --> 01:32:30,751
<i>so they're still
making us money."</i>

2313
01:32:30,834 --> 01:32:32,292
<i>A lot of people
have made money</i>

2314
01:32:32,375 --> 01:32:33,959
<i>off of Natalie Wood's death.</i>

2315
01:32:34,042 --> 01:32:37,792
<i>- On that level,
they're just barracudas.</i>

2316
01:32:37,876 --> 01:32:39,083
They're just feeding
on something

2317
01:32:39,167 --> 01:32:41,626
that means nothing to them,

2318
01:32:41,709 --> 01:32:45,626
<i>and because this meant
so much to us,</i>

2319
01:32:45,709 --> 01:32:49,125
<i>to ever exploit
this situation</i>

2320
01:32:49,209 --> 01:32:50,834
<i>would be criminal to do that,</i>

2321
01:32:50,918 --> 01:32:53,751
<i>and I know there are people
who want to talk about it,</i>

2322
01:32:53,834 --> 01:32:56,417
<i>but they're doing it
for themselves,</i>

2323
01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:57,626
and how dare they?

2324
01:32:57,709 --> 01:33:00,000
How dare they?

2325
01:33:00,083 --> 01:33:01,626
- I think the investigation

2326
01:33:01,709 --> 01:33:03,125
was mishandled
from the beginning.

2327
01:33:03,209 --> 01:33:06,334
<i>Things were oversimplified
and ignored.</i>

2328
01:33:06,417 --> 01:33:09,417
Conspiracy is
a bit far-fetched,

2329
01:33:09,500 --> 01:33:14,334
but were things covered up
and overlooked purposefully?

2330
01:33:14,417 --> 01:33:16,334
I'm certain they were.

2331
01:33:16,417 --> 01:33:19,083
<i>- What I read in the press
and I see on these TV shows</i>

2332
01:33:19,167 --> 01:33:21,000
<i>when Lana appears</i>

2333
01:33:21,083 --> 01:33:23,167
<i>really upsets me</i>

2334
01:33:23,250 --> 01:33:25,167
'cause it hurts RJ,
it hurts the girls,

2335
01:33:25,250 --> 01:33:28,334
it hurts the memory of Natalie,

2336
01:33:28,417 --> 01:33:31,334
and it makes me
sad and angry.

2337
01:33:31,417 --> 01:33:33,042
- Are you suggesting

2338
01:33:33,125 --> 01:33:36,584
that he knocked her out
in some way

2339
01:33:36,667 --> 01:33:38,000
and threw her
in the water, or--

2340
01:33:38,083 --> 01:33:40,959
- It is something like that,
absolutely.

2341
01:33:41,042 --> 01:33:43,125
<i>- Natalie was very kind
to Lana,</i>

2342
01:33:43,209 --> 01:33:45,792
<i>very respectful
of her situation,</i>

2343
01:33:45,876 --> 01:33:48,125
because Natalie was the one
who was the big success

2344
01:33:48,209 --> 01:33:49,709
with the parents,

2345
01:33:49,792 --> 01:33:52,375
<i>and Natalie took
great care of her.</i>

2346
01:33:52,459 --> 01:33:54,584
<i>- Lana became an actress,</i>

2347
01:33:54,667 --> 01:33:57,042
I think, because her sister
was a star,

2348
01:33:57,125 --> 01:33:59,042
<i>and her name was not Wood,</i>

2349
01:33:59,125 --> 01:34:01,918
<i>but her mother changed it
to Lana Wood.</i>

2350
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,709
- I don't know;
the whole thing with Lana,

2351
01:34:03,792 --> 01:34:05,375
it's just...

2352
01:34:05,459 --> 01:34:08,959
I don't even think
she believes what she's saying.

2353
01:34:09,042 --> 01:34:11,542
I think she's just angry,
and I can understand that.

2354
01:34:11,626 --> 01:34:13,667
I can understand being angry.

2355
01:34:13,751 --> 01:34:15,959
I can certainly understand
having misplaced feelings.

2356
01:34:16,042 --> 01:34:18,167
I can understand
all of that,

2357
01:34:18,250 --> 01:34:20,792
but when I just think
about, like, my dad

2358
01:34:20,876 --> 01:34:22,417
having to deal
with any of this stuff,

2359
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:24,709
it's just so hard
to even imagine

2360
01:34:24,792 --> 01:34:28,876
when, you know, he experienced,
like, a true nightmare.

2361
01:34:28,959 --> 01:34:31,000
I mean, a true nightmare.

2362
01:34:31,083 --> 01:34:33,250
<i>- One thing that I've heard
Lana say</i>

2363
01:34:33,334 --> 01:34:35,918
<i>is that my stepdad, RJ,</i>

2364
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,417
<i>kept her away from us,</i>

2365
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:40,751
but I don't have a memory
of being close to Lana

2366
01:34:40,834 --> 01:34:42,584
<i>even before my mom died.</i>

2367
01:34:42,667 --> 01:34:45,125
<i>When she would come
to our house on Cañon Drive,</i>

2368
01:34:45,209 --> 01:34:47,959
<i>it always felt like she was
more focused on my mom</i>

2369
01:34:48,042 --> 01:34:49,292
<i>than Courtney or me,</i>

2370
01:34:49,375 --> 01:34:52,375
<i>so I never had that kind
of relationship with her</i>

2371
01:34:52,459 --> 01:34:55,083
<i>that my daughter has
with my sisters.</i>

2372
01:34:55,167 --> 01:34:59,042
<i>And she's literally accused
my dad of killing my mom</i>

2373
01:34:59,125 --> 01:35:02,626
when that's the farthest thing
from the truth.

2374
01:35:03,792 --> 01:35:06,542
<i>- Sadly, some of the residue
of the tragedy</i>

2375
01:35:06,626 --> 01:35:08,167
<i>will always be there,</i>

2376
01:35:08,250 --> 01:35:10,709
<i>because people like drama,
don't they, and tragedy,</i>

2377
01:35:10,792 --> 01:35:13,417
<i>and they'll have theories
about it.</i>

2378
01:35:13,500 --> 01:35:15,209
And even my friends
sometimes say--

2379
01:35:15,292 --> 01:35:17,876
you know, they almost, like,
take you aside and say,

2380
01:35:17,959 --> 01:35:20,000
"Okay, you can tell me
what really happened,"

2381
01:35:20,083 --> 01:35:23,792
as if you have
some great scoop on it.

2382
01:35:23,876 --> 01:35:27,125
<i>- Natalie Wood
falls into the category</i>

2383
01:35:27,209 --> 01:35:29,250
<i>of Marilyn Monroe,</i>

2384
01:35:29,334 --> 01:35:30,792
<i>Elvis Presley.</i>

2385
01:35:30,876 --> 01:35:32,834
<i>They were such icons,</i>

2386
01:35:32,918 --> 01:35:35,000
<i>the things about their passing</i>

2387
01:35:35,083 --> 01:35:37,250
<i>will always be brought up.</i>

2388
01:35:37,334 --> 01:35:39,876
But Natalie is not a headline.

2389
01:35:39,959 --> 01:35:42,417
<i>Natalie was a life
well lived.</i>

2390
01:35:42,500 --> 01:35:44,250
<i>It was foreshortened,</i>

2391
01:35:44,334 --> 01:35:46,876
<i>but she did a lot
in that lifetime</i>

2392
01:35:46,959 --> 01:35:49,876
<i>for her children,
for her friends,</i>

2393
01:35:49,959 --> 01:35:51,667
<i>for the industry.</i>

2394
01:35:51,751 --> 01:35:53,500
<i>She made a difference.</i>

2395
01:35:53,584 --> 01:35:56,125
- It's really sad
that she died when she did,

2396
01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:59,000
because it'd be really great
to see what she was gonna do

2397
01:35:59,083 --> 01:36:02,626
as a woman in her 40s
and 50s

2398
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:05,709
<i>and the kinds of roles
she would take on over time</i>

2399
01:36:05,792 --> 01:36:07,375
<i>because she was
always grappling</i>

2400
01:36:07,459 --> 01:36:09,834
<i>with what it means
to be a woman</i>

2401
01:36:09,918 --> 01:36:12,375
<i>in different stages of life.</i>
- Ah!

2402
01:36:12,459 --> 01:36:14,334
<i>- But that's the great thing
about being an actor.</i>

2403
01:36:14,417 --> 01:36:18,125
<i>You're always alive.
Those movies still exist.</i>

2404
01:36:18,209 --> 01:36:19,709
<i>- Natalie was unique.</i>

2405
01:36:19,792 --> 01:36:23,125
<i>She doesn't have
a false moment in her films.</i>

2406
01:36:23,209 --> 01:36:24,834
She didn't "act."

2407
01:36:24,918 --> 01:36:27,334
She found something in her gut,

2408
01:36:27,417 --> 01:36:29,542
<i>in her heart,
and in her intellect,</i>

2409
01:36:29,626 --> 01:36:31,542
<i>and she applied all of that.</i>

2410
01:36:31,626 --> 01:36:33,709
- I love you, Mother.

2411
01:36:33,792 --> 01:36:36,459
<i>- And young women
seeing that now,</i>

2412
01:36:36,542 --> 01:36:39,000
<i>supposing you decide to catch
one of these movies,</i>

2413
01:36:39,083 --> 01:36:40,417
<i>you'd be struck</i>

2414
01:36:40,500 --> 01:36:44,000
<i>by a multidimensional
young woman</i>

2415
01:36:44,083 --> 01:36:47,542
<i>unafraid to show
her vulnerabilities,</i>

2416
01:36:47,626 --> 01:36:50,375
<i>her passion, her strength,</i>

2417
01:36:50,459 --> 01:36:52,292
<i>and her intelligence.</i>

2418
01:36:52,375 --> 01:36:53,918
All of that is there.

2419
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,375
- Won't you join me
back in the limelight,

2420
01:36:55,459 --> 01:36:56,959
little lady of pain?

2421
01:36:58,125 --> 01:36:59,167
<i>All she was
ever looking for</i>

2422
01:36:59,250 --> 01:37:02,918
<i>was the comfort
of good friends, good people,</i>

2423
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,417
<i>and being able to be
a normal human being.</i>

2424
01:37:05,500 --> 01:37:07,125
<i>That was her search.</i>

2425
01:37:07,209 --> 01:37:09,334
It was so hard
against the reputation

2426
01:37:09,417 --> 01:37:10,500
of being a movie star.

2427
01:37:10,584 --> 01:37:13,584
<i>And I witnessed her desire,
her reaching out</i>

2428
01:37:13,667 --> 01:37:16,334
<i>to try to be
just a regular human being</i>

2429
01:37:16,417 --> 01:37:18,125
<i>against the odds
of being treated</i>

2430
01:37:18,209 --> 01:37:19,292
<i>like a movie star,</i>

2431
01:37:19,375 --> 01:37:21,250
<i>and she did it beautifully.</i>

2432
01:37:23,167 --> 01:37:26,083
<i>[gentle orchestral waltz]</i>

2433
01:37:26,167 --> 01:37:33,125
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2434
01:38:25,542 --> 01:38:28,459
<i>[soft music]</i>

2435
01:38:28,542 --> 01:38:35,542
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2436
01:39:56,751 --> 01:39:59,167
[bright tone]



