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(doorbell dings)

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(bright instrumental music)
(whistle blows)

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(car engine puttering)

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- Can I go to the Queen's Theatre please?

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(faint voice talking)

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(woman grunts)

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Hi.

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I'm off to see Les Mis again.

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It's 977 visits today.

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Yeah, I know, yeah.

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(laughs)

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Had to miss two visits to the show

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a couple of weeks ago
as I've not been well,

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so a bit behind schedule
but hopefully we'll be able

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to catch it up and get in before too long

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to the thousandth visit.

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Okie dokie.
- Sorry,

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how many times did you say?

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- 977 today (laughs).

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-  It's quite
an obsession to have.

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(bright instrumental music)

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There she is up there.

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- She's there.

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(graceful instrumental music)

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(woman laughing)

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- All of us who loved
theatre feel very safe

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in a red velvet seat with
the curtain about to go up.

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There's a special kind of, oh,
goody that goes through you.

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(lively jazz music)

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- 500 in the third row here.

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550?
♪ Only in New York ♪

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♪ Can you find Broadway ♪

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- How many shows have
I seen multiple times?

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I can't count that number.

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I'm gonna say it's at least three.

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♪ Shinin' so bright tonight ♪

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- "Hair" was the most, I saw it 95 times.

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- I saw "Miss Saigon" 13 times.

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- I saw "Rent" five time.

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- I saw "9 to 5: The Musical" 10 times,

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and I saw "Leap of Faith" 10 times

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and both of those were shows

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that I just fell in love with
in such a way that I was like

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I need to go see it again
and again and again.

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- "Book of Mormon" I've seen seven times.

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- "Phantom" I saw 11 times.

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- "Les Mis" my favourite show.

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I've seen it four or five times.

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"Phantom of the Opera,"

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"Pippin," "In The Heights,"
"Memphis," "Sutton Foster,"

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"Hunter Foster," "Nathan Lane," "La Cage."

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- "Wicked" I've seen like 30 times.

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- "Priscilla Queen the
Desert" I saw 20 times.

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- "Priscilla."

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This is Priscilla.

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(barks)

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I love "Priscilla" because of the message

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of belonging of making a
family out of the people

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that you're around.

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I saw it 180 something times.

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-  I have heard
rumours about people

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that have seen the same show,

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like every single performance.

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You hear it, and it sounds crazy,

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but I think there's always a story,

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something is going on
with someone about why

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they have to see that show so many times.

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♪ Only in New York ♪

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- I will try in my very best English,

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but I know I'm not very good.

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My name is Gudrun Mangel, I'm 40 years old

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and I'm housewife.

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Until now, I have seen
"Starlight Express" 41 times.

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That's not much.

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Over the last 20 years
that's not much I think.

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It was my dream to get
to the theatre back again

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on roller skate as the real Pearl.

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(singing in foreign language)

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And this was the big dream that failed.

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But I found out other things on my way.

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(gentle music)

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In my lonely times at home,

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much time to think about me, about my life

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and about "Starlight Express"
and what "Starlight Express"

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is of the whole meaning of life.

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What is my role in the "Starlight Express"

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when I never can get on
that stage as an actor?

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Now what should I do?

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Should I die?

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Should I kill myself?

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Because I'm not not the
one who is on the stage?

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First I watch the play more
and more and once again,

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but then I thought what have I done?

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Only watching the play and being nothing.

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(woman speaking in foreign language)

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-  10,

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nine.

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(speaking in foreign language)

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Go!

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(upbeat rock music)
(audience cheering)

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(singing in foreign language)

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♪ Star ♪

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♪ Light ♪

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(audience cheering)

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(audience applauding)

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- When I first saw "Starlight
Express" I was 17 years old.

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When it was over, I
didn't want to go home.

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You return in your old world.

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(engaging techno music)

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You need something to love.

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You don't have to build
your castles too high

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in your fantasy.

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And you have to build new dreams

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or dream of little bit smaller things.

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I started to learn again rollerskating,

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build a costume.

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I built all this.

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My family thought I am completely stupid

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and completely silly to spend money

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for all these costumes and wigs.

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It was very awful.

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I must hide tears really.

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My parents said, forget
"Starlight Express".

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All these costumes won't
take you there at anytime.

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(engaging techno music)

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My first open day it was 1990,

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over 20 years (laughs).

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I phoned the "Starlight
Express" press office

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and asked if it is possible
that I come dressed up

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in a costume, and the
lady at the phone said,

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"Sure, you are not the only one."

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Nothing stopped me then.

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(audience applauds)

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Every year I come here I
wear a different costume.

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It's Pearl today.

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I thought I could be a
part of "Starlight Express"

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if I dress like Pearl and show every year

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here on the open day that I'm a double

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and I love "Starlight Express".

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Most of the people know
that I'm not the real Pearl.

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(engaging techno music)

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There begins the history of the open day

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at "Starlight Express".

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(bright music)

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- I've been a fan of "Cats" for 30 years

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since it first opened on Broadway in 1982.

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My name is Christine Bogle

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and I have the world's largest

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collection of "Cats" memorabilia.

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(powerful orchestral music)

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I didn't know what "Cats" was
but I heard the song "Memory".

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I just fell in love with the song

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and I got cold chills
when I first heard it.

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My dad took me to see "Cats"
when I was 16 years old

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on my 16th birthday.

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I walked into the theatre and
I was completely surrounded

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by all of the junk.

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The audience get to sit
in this giant junk yard

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all around you.

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It's like a completely different world,

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where I was just like
completely like glassy-eyed

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and I was like (gasps),
"This is so awesome!"

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(bubbly music)
(door rattling)

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These are my costumes.

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This is the character of Skimbleshanks.

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I just have collected a lot of stuff.

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We have a lot, me and my husband both

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are kind of pack rats.

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I wouldn't exactly call us hoarders

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because, I mean, hoarders
just collect everything

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from, you know, soda cans and
food and they just buy stuff

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and just bring it into the house.

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I mean, we have it kind
of all semi-organized.

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It's expensive to be a fan, it really is.

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I probably spent over $15,000

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and, oh, probably even more 20,000

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just going to see the shows

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and collecting for the shows.

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I've spent quite a, quite
a large chunk of cash.

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It's Mistoffelees jacket alone

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probably costs about $20,000 to make.

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20 to $25,000 to make it with
all the electrical wiring

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and everything in it, so it's the most

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expensive piece that I own.

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I'll put him on for you.

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Like, ooh, there he is.

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There he is ooh (laughs).

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They're very uncomfortable,
little tongue, little.

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They're definitely a
little, little hard to see

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out of and stuff but they're cute.

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They're so adorable and so cute.

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The Pekes and they bark.

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Bark, bark, bark.

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So cute, they're so really cute.

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This is my craft room, work room.

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(bubbly music)

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I feel kind of obsessed.

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We're overflowing with stuff.

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I know I have a lot of stuff,
I have way, way too much.

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(bubbly music)

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I used to I used to bring
this and I used to bring

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my autograph book to the show with this.

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This is the streamers that get thrown.

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I just have tonnes, I have
an entire streamer ball

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that came flying out and
I got grabbed the whole,

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the whole entire thing
and there's a giant roll

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of it and I got that.

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These are the lights for
the Winter Garden Theatre.

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Like puzzles from Japan,
Victoria on a journal,

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fans from Japan.

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I'm like hot (laughs).

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The actual packaging has the logo on it.

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Wallets, playing cards (chuckles).

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I had a heart attack when I saw these.

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I was like, oh my God, these are amazing.

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They made sculptures.

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Oh yeah, okay.

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This is like the kids snazaroo makeup,

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like Cat's face painting kit.

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I try and get as much as I can I guess.

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I thought it'd be just so
great to own parts of the show

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and to have these wonderful things.

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Just got out of control kind of (laughs).

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I think there's a
certain quality of person

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that follows things.

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I'm not sure it's like
I'm trying to explore

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a different aspect of myself.

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It's just a mystery, just a mystery.

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(graceful orchestral music)

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- The people go back to see
shows over and over again.

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That's the repeat attenders,

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are really an amazing group of people.

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They're dedicated.

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They are fans with the capital F.

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They will do just about
anything to come back

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and see that show.

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(graceful orchestral music)

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- It's like an obsessive-compulsive.

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I've certainly had like my
first repeat show experience,

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I felt completely out of control of myself

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and I did not feel like
I was choosing to go see

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the show at night.

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I felt like I had to see the show at night

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or I didn't know what I
was gonna do with myself.

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- Some people don't understand
going back to see a show

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more than once, but it's live theatre.

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It's not a movie where
everything is on film

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and nothing changes
and it's the same thing

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over and over again.

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- I'm one of the originals in Urinetown,

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and we had a woman who saw the show, geez.

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Well I did a thousand performances.

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She might have been to 150 of them.

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I mean, obviously we're
delighted that they come back.

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Because if they come back,

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because it gives them pleasure.

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Hello, hello?

262
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Why do we do it?

263
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-  10:30.

264
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- We're not selling a show or a ticket;

265
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we're selling an experience.

266
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And with super fans, the
getting of the ticket

267
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becomes part of their experience.

268
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- When there's a really hot show,

269
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you'll see people sleeping
bags night after night

270
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waiting into the box office to open.

271
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- The longest that I've
ever waited for a ticket

272
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I was coming up to my 100th show,

273
00:19:00,110 --> 00:19:01,340
and the line was long.

274
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It was about a 12-hour plus wait.

275
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I thought it would be cool
to wait a hundred hours

276
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for my 100th show.

277
00:19:09,870 --> 00:19:11,330
So I waited for four days straight,

278
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took vacation days from work to do it.

279
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I was working in investment
banking for a Swiss bank

280
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at the time when "Rent" first came out.

281
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After about two days I started
to get a little bit ripe

282
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and the guy who cleans up the theatre

283
00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:27,060
hosed me down as well,

284
00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:29,090
which was very kind of him.

285
00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:31,540
In addition to investing $20 for a ticket,

286
00:19:31,540 --> 00:19:33,550
I invested a significant amount of money

287
00:19:33,550 --> 00:19:35,290
in making myself comfortable.

288
00:19:35,290 --> 00:19:37,020
There were there were
a couple of occasions

289
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when we were sleeping out and
and I had this fabulous bed

290
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,780
that I made a great expense
and effort and energy.

291
00:19:43,780 --> 00:19:48,160
And there would be fairly
attractive young ladies

292
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:49,587
in the line as well.

293
00:19:49,587 --> 00:19:52,680
And so on a volunteer
basis some of them wanted

294
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,240
to come to my pocket,
and there would be like

295
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,010
three or four or five or six of us

296
00:19:57,010 --> 00:19:58,450
inside of this pocket.

297
00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:00,890
And I'm a couple of occasions,

298
00:20:00,890 --> 00:20:05,250
I became intimate with
some of these young ladies

299
00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:08,790
who were fans of the show
and we became friends

300
00:20:08,790 --> 00:20:10,940
and just seemed natural.

301
00:20:10,940 --> 00:20:12,600
Another way to keep warm,

302
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,150
and I don't want to imply
that a lot of things went on,

303
00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:19,820
but bodies in a warm
pocket and things happen.

304
00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:22,030
- My initial thought is not necessarily

305
00:20:22,030 --> 00:20:24,120
how could you have seen
that show that many times,

306
00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,341
it's how could you spend how much money?

307
00:20:26,341 --> 00:20:28,924
(upbeat music)

308
00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:33,610
- On April 21st, 1996 I went
to the Nederlander Theatre

309
00:20:33,610 --> 00:20:37,320
which is behind us right now
and I tried to get a ticket,

310
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,290
but it was very popular
and it was sold out,

311
00:20:39,290 --> 00:20:40,537
and I couldn't get in.

312
00:20:40,537 --> 00:20:42,240
The show was playing in the background

313
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,450
and I could hear the music
and this sounded really,

314
00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:46,870
the music sounded very compelling to me.

315
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:49,880
It almost sounded religious,
like when you're in church

316
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,290
and you hear people wailing.

317
00:20:51,290 --> 00:20:53,353
There's parts of "Rent"
that are like that.

318
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:57,875
I guess I just happened to
be there at the right time.

319
00:20:57,875 --> 00:20:59,750
And now I was hooked I said, listen,

320
00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:01,990
like I gotta get the tickets.

321
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:06,470
And I've seen the show 1,169 times.

322
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:09,053
Most of those were via $20 rush tickets.

323
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,210
So if you do have the math on that,

324
00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:14,550
correct me if I'm wrong
but the back of my head,

325
00:21:14,550 --> 00:21:18,160
that works out to about half
a year of my life, I think.

326
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,590
If you multiply that number

327
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:21,670
seeing it's almost 1,200 times

328
00:21:21,670 --> 00:21:24,190
times two hours and 40 minutes,

329
00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:25,860
it's as if I had spent six months

330
00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:27,780
inside the theatre straight.

331
00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:30,380
Yeah, I know, it's kind of incredible.

332
00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:34,580
And I spent about 35,000, $40,000

333
00:21:34,580 --> 00:21:37,913
over an eight-year period approximately.

334
00:21:39,673 --> 00:21:42,423
(dramatic music)

335
00:21:52,618 --> 00:21:56,710
- Today's my 977th time seeing the show.

336
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:59,110
First saw the show 25 years ago.

337
00:21:59,110 --> 00:22:01,860
(dramatic music)

338
00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:07,130
I've probably spent about 50,000 pounds

339
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:11,120
that's on taxis, train
tickets, theatre tickets,

340
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:14,034
and hotel if I stay over at any time.

341
00:22:14,034 --> 00:22:15,800
(dramatic music)

342
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,307
People say "oh why'd
you see the same thing

343
00:22:17,307 --> 00:22:20,731
over and over again, it's the
same thing week after week?"

344
00:22:20,731 --> 00:22:21,932
But it's not, because you
always get a different

345
00:22:21,932 --> 00:22:25,408
audience reaction as I said
you get different people

346
00:22:25,408 --> 00:22:27,056
playing different roles or

347
00:22:27,056 --> 00:22:29,789
people'll clap or laugh
in different places.

348
00:22:29,789 --> 00:22:32,102
So it's always different.

349
00:22:32,102 --> 00:22:36,453
(audience cheers)

350
00:22:36,453 --> 00:22:38,210
I must admit a lot of people are in tears

351
00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:41,420
by the end of the show, but
I'm probably the only person

352
00:22:41,420 --> 00:22:43,618
who's ever seen "Les Mis"
and has never cried at it.

353
00:22:43,618 --> 00:22:45,670
(laughs)

354
00:22:45,670 --> 00:22:49,740
A lot of people are quite
cynical about repeat attenders

355
00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:51,370
because they either not seen the show

356
00:22:51,370 --> 00:22:54,663
or they don't really understand
what the addiction is.

357
00:22:55,638 --> 00:22:58,055
(soft music)

358
00:23:03,258 --> 00:23:05,820
- We are the most successful
musical in the world

359
00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:10,580
and we know that our fans are
a big part of our success.

360
00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:13,140
It is a hobby and it's a way of life too.

361
00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:14,950
They are creating the costumes.

362
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:19,030
They have cupboards full of
"Starlight Express" costumes

363
00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:21,613
and it's a big point in their life.

364
00:23:21,613 --> 00:23:22,693
They live it.

365
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:29,500
- Nobody can tell me not to be
a fan and not to meet friends

366
00:23:32,850 --> 00:23:35,023
and not to make costumes.

367
00:23:36,860 --> 00:23:40,880
Somebody has a birthday,
a great birthday party,

368
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,570
and it's a great "Starlight Express" fan.

369
00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:48,570
And his biggest wish is the
appearance of Rusty and Pearl

370
00:23:49,170 --> 00:23:51,090
on his birthday.

371
00:23:51,090 --> 00:23:54,417
So he can phone the
theatre, "Can Rusty and Paul

372
00:23:54,417 --> 00:23:59,120
"come to my 14th birthday?"

373
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,983
No, they won't come.

374
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:03,023
They won't come.

375
00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:06,833
But if you ask me, I will come.

376
00:24:06,833 --> 00:24:10,666
(singing in foreign language)

377
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:18,850
Nothing can can top the
feeling when you go out

378
00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:24,090
with this costume and go
out of your being nothing

379
00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:28,603
and now be seen.

380
00:24:32,338 --> 00:24:34,921
(bubbly music)

381
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,103
To meet the real Pearl,
there are no words for it.

382
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,300
I feel ashamed.

383
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:07,170
I see the very beautiful costume.

384
00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:08,310
She's much younger.

385
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:11,160
She's a star, she has a great body.

386
00:25:14,287 --> 00:25:15,463
Oh, that's nice.

387
00:25:24,853 --> 00:25:28,186
I feel so fat (laughs).

388
00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:31,350
No, I'm ashamed.

389
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:32,767
I'm not worth it.

390
00:25:34,706 --> 00:25:37,456
I don't know what to say anymore.

391
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,750
I never went to an audition
to "Starlight Express".

392
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:46,110
I never dared, but I'm a
good actor and a good singer,

393
00:25:46,110 --> 00:25:48,333
but it is not enough.

394
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,487
I was too big, too fat to (laughs).

395
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,113
I had no no good physical
ability to do it.

396
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:03,260
I was 17 when I saw
"Starlight Express" in 1988,

397
00:26:03,260 --> 00:26:07,130
first time, and it was
my wish to be a star

398
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:10,763
at "Starlight Express" but
my parents did not want that.

399
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,830
Sweet!

400
00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:17,753
I am something like Kris Kringle.

401
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,503
The Santa Claus.

402
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:26,070
Santa Claus in a shopping mall.

403
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:31,000
What is Christmas when the
Santa Claus stays at home?

404
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,803
He has to come to the children.

405
00:26:34,770 --> 00:26:37,550
I always felt like an angel.

406
00:26:37,550 --> 00:26:39,813
For some people you are like an angel.

407
00:26:44,110 --> 00:26:49,110
One thing happened I will never forget.

408
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,647
I came out of the theatre and
a child looked at me and said,

409
00:26:53,647 --> 00:26:54,647
"Can I take a photo?

410
00:26:54,647 --> 00:26:56,093
"Can I take a photo?

411
00:26:57,540 --> 00:27:01,707
And I used to say, "I'm
not the real Pearl.

412
00:27:01,707 --> 00:27:03,480
"I'm a fan."

413
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,718
And they said, "It doesn't matter.

414
00:27:05,718 --> 00:27:07,574
"You are beautiful.

415
00:27:07,574 --> 00:27:08,857
"You are beautiful."

416
00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:15,700
A little girl in a wheelchair, blind,

417
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:19,670
mother came to me and said
Pearl is giving autographs

418
00:27:19,670 --> 00:27:22,960
and my little girl can't get to her,

419
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,340
because she's in the
wheelchair and she can't see,

420
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:28,760
but she heard Pearl thing in the show.

421
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,180
Would you please come that
she can touch your costume,

422
00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:36,727
that she can imagine how Pearl looks like.

423
00:27:36,727 --> 00:27:39,447
"You sang so beautiful in the show,

424
00:27:39,447 --> 00:27:41,247
"would you sing for me?"

425
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,713
And tears were running down
my cheek, and I started.

426
00:27:50,011 --> 00:27:53,844
(singing in foreign language)

427
00:27:57,370 --> 00:28:02,370
She didn't care about my 90
kilos, my self-made costume.

428
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:06,717
She heard the voice and
said, "Oh, yes, you are,

429
00:28:06,717 --> 00:28:08,542
"you are Pearl."

430
00:28:08,542 --> 00:28:10,523
There are little children seeing Pearl,

431
00:28:11,569 --> 00:28:13,920
and they see the wig and my face

432
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,573
and my appearance and that's enough.

433
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:22,918
And when that open day was over,

434
00:28:22,918 --> 00:28:26,870
I did not want to leave the costume.

435
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:30,590
I don't want to just dress up.

436
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:33,673
I don't want to dress off.

437
00:28:35,650 --> 00:28:39,010
Beautiful, I didn't want to go home.

438
00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:40,270
I can't tell you what I want.

439
00:28:40,270 --> 00:28:43,993
I want to shoot myself after this feeling.

440
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:50,900
It was something that I never
heard from my own family.

441
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,453
You are beautiful.

442
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:55,100
You can do something.

443
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:56,620
Your costume is pretty.

444
00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:58,750
You have a pretty face.

445
00:28:58,750 --> 00:29:01,540
That was not the talking of my family.

446
00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:05,783
My family always told me
that I am ugly and fat

447
00:29:05,783 --> 00:29:08,643
and can't do anything.

448
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,117
I'm not worthy to do anything.

449
00:29:14,117 --> 00:29:16,197
"You will never get a job."

450
00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:21,670
And and I dress up and go
there and the first child

451
00:29:22,570 --> 00:29:26,480
who sees me says, "You are beautiful."

452
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,583
That was a feeling I
can't explain in words.

453
00:29:33,779 --> 00:29:36,196
(soft music)

454
00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:42,863
- There's so much stuff.

455
00:29:42,863 --> 00:29:44,367
I have so much stuff
not even I like seen it

456
00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:45,730
in a long time.

457
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:47,833
Plates of Grizabella.

458
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,170
The story of Grizabella,

459
00:29:50,170 --> 00:29:52,790
it just struck a chord with everybody.

460
00:29:52,790 --> 00:29:55,299
Grizabella is the star of the show.

461
00:29:55,299 --> 00:29:57,610
She sings the song "Memory".

462
00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:58,860
Everybody knows "Memory."

463
00:30:01,913 --> 00:30:05,093
♪ Memory ♪

464
00:30:05,093 --> 00:30:10,093
♪ All alone in the moonlight ♪

465
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:15,080
♪ I can smile at the old days ♪

466
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,390
♪ I was beautiful then ♪

467
00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:21,030
- She just sings a song about her days

468
00:30:21,030 --> 00:30:23,430
of when she was a glamorous young cat,

469
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:27,000
but now she's older and she
was kicked out of the Jellicle.

470
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,690
She left the Jellicle Tribe of Cats

471
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:31,990
and she wanted to go
out and see the world.

472
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:34,040
And the world didn't treat her very well.

473
00:30:35,004 --> 00:30:40,004
♪ Let the mem'ry ♪

474
00:30:40,756 --> 00:30:42,765
♪ Live ♪

475
00:30:42,765 --> 00:30:44,765
♪ Again ♪

476
00:30:48,019 --> 00:30:51,710
- I just connect with her story
of how she was an outcast.

477
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:54,583
She was never really
accepted in the world.

478
00:30:54,583 --> 00:30:56,173
I just feel for her plight.

479
00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:59,750
You lose yourself in the other world

480
00:30:59,750 --> 00:31:03,883
for like two and a half hours and just,

481
00:31:04,890 --> 00:31:07,667
you can go and forget all
your troubles for two hours.

482
00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:10,590
That's just great to be in
another world for a while

483
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:13,610
and then just forget about life,

484
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:16,060
kind of the way life is.

485
00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:18,660
Life can be hard, life can be cruel.

486
00:31:18,660 --> 00:31:23,660
And it's just great to
be a part of something

487
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,090
that is so magical and great.

488
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:33,340
I just I just feel like myself
when I go to see the shows.

489
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:36,810
I feel like my best true self
when I go to see the shows.

490
00:31:36,810 --> 00:31:40,000
Like I can relate to
what's happening on stage

491
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440
and also the dreams that
I never became an actress.

492
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,340
I never was able to do that
and I have such great respect

493
00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:50,457
for the actors that are able to do that,

494
00:31:50,457 --> 00:31:52,710
and be able to have
that part of their life,

495
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:54,639
and to be able to share in that.

496
00:31:54,639 --> 00:31:56,553
It's just really, really amazing.

497
00:31:56,553 --> 00:31:57,853
It's really amazing.

498
00:31:59,850 --> 00:32:01,240
Okay.

499
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,692
I have to take a break.

500
00:32:02,692 --> 00:32:04,547
- Yeah.
- Yeah.

501
00:32:04,547 --> 00:32:06,634
Yeah, I have to take a
little break right now.

502
00:32:06,634 --> 00:32:07,660
Okay.

503
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:10,140
- I think unfortunately
the theatre community

504
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:13,200
is the same as any
community in that we spend

505
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,430
a lot of our lives feeling like other

506
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:17,060
and then when we get all get together,

507
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:19,270
we need to make someone
else feel like other.

508
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:23,480
But people feel that
need to be the big dog

509
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,500
when they've been the
little dog for so long.

510
00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:27,250
- I've had such a history with the show,

511
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:29,480
and some people decided to
write a bunch of hateful

512
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,260
posts about that on the Internet.

513
00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:34,810
People called me a crazy collector.

514
00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:39,810
And I don't have any reason
to have anyone attack me.

515
00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:42,017
I didn't do anything to cause it.

516
00:32:42,017 --> 00:32:44,120
It was a strange bizarre behaviour.

517
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,750
They're jealous of the fact that I had

518
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:47,920
so much history with the show.

519
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,007
So I'm still ostracised to
this day on Internet community.

520
00:32:52,007 --> 00:32:53,871
And I'm above it.

521
00:32:53,871 --> 00:32:55,200
It's above me.

522
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,647
It doesn't reach me at all.

523
00:33:00,616 --> 00:33:03,450
♪ Touch me ♪

524
00:33:03,450 --> 00:33:08,450
♪ It's so easy to leave me ♪

525
00:33:08,722 --> 00:33:12,222
♪ All alone with a memory ♪

526
00:33:13,690 --> 00:33:15,710
- I don't make fun of you
for the things that you love,

527
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:17,650
why do you make fun of me
for the things that I love?

528
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:19,410
Why do we make fun of each other?

529
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:22,320
Humanity, hmm.

530
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,720
- Oh no, you make fun of
me for loving baseball.

531
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,101
- Yeah, sorry.

532
00:33:28,101 --> 00:33:29,000
(woman laughs)

533
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,200
Mostly just cause I don't understand it,

534
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,240
and maybe that at the end of the day

535
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,730
is like that is, God, we hate things

536
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:38,930
we don't understand.

537
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:42,010
We don't understand cultures, religions

538
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:44,230
and then we hate them.

539
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:45,810
I don't understand baseball,

540
00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:46,780
and so I'm like, what?

541
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:48,760
No baseball (babbles).

542
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,343
(woman laughs)

543
00:33:54,053 --> 00:33:55,165
- You're wonderful.
- Thank you.

544
00:33:55,165 --> 00:33:56,750
- I like your paint.
- You saw my paint?

545
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:59,540
-  Yeah, I pay attention
to all those little things.

546
00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:02,323
- I totally understand
the "Wicked" devotees.

547
00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:06,700
In the case of Wicked, it's
a story about an outsider,

548
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,880
a green girl and I've put
it to you that most of us

549
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,320
feel a little green.

550
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,820
(lively orchestral music)

551
00:34:18,244 --> 00:34:19,891
♪ The Wizard will see you now ♪

552
00:34:19,891 --> 00:34:21,724
♪ Day ♪

553
00:34:24,030 --> 00:34:24,863
- There was a girl.

554
00:34:24,863 --> 00:34:28,910
We had a letter from a
Muslim girl who after 9/11

555
00:34:28,910 --> 00:34:31,133
had barely been out of her house.

556
00:34:32,420 --> 00:34:35,900
Her girlfriends made her go to "Wicked".

557
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,330
And she wrote a letter to the producers

558
00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:42,710
saying this is the first
time I have felt safe

559
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:43,853
in two years.

560
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:50,800
I feel welcome in your theatre,
because you understand.

561
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,540
I mean that's how strong that message was,

562
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:56,123
the ultimate outsider story.

563
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,780
Green is a perfect metaphor.

564
00:35:00,780 --> 00:35:05,590
It's not real like fat or
bald or any other thing

565
00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:07,630
that you regard as a liability

566
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:09,880
to your social popularity.

567
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,890
It's green so you can learn
the lessons without the pain

568
00:35:13,890 --> 00:35:16,283
of seeing your own
story up there on stage.

569
00:35:17,580 --> 00:35:19,630
It's distant enough to be theatre

570
00:35:19,630 --> 00:35:21,443
and close enough to be profound.

571
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,420
(tense music)

572
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:31,760
- When you're having to
do a show the second year

573
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,510
in the run and you can't
quite find the energy,

574
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:37,917
you think, "My God, this person has come

575
00:35:37,917 --> 00:35:41,247
"a thousandth time or a 400th time.

576
00:35:41,247 --> 00:35:43,880
"I have got to do my
best for this person."

577
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,010
- I've been part of
Disney's "The Lion King"

578
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:49,490
for, it's gonna be 13
years and two months.

579
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:50,323
Oh my god!

580
00:35:50,323 --> 00:35:53,380
Firstly, it was London,
Taiwan, Sydney, Australia,

581
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:57,640
Melbourne, US tour,
South Africa, Las Vegas.

582
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,130
Did I say Taiwan before?

583
00:35:59,130 --> 00:36:02,093
And then Broadway, back to Australia.

584
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:05,190
It's a full circle of life.

585
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:07,163
(laughs)

586
00:36:07,163 --> 00:36:12,163
♪ Nants ingonyama bagithi Baba ♪

587
00:36:12,325 --> 00:36:13,418
♪ Sithi ♪

588
00:36:13,418 --> 00:36:15,980
- How many performances
have I done to date?

589
00:36:15,980 --> 00:36:16,813
Are you serious?

590
00:36:18,165 --> 00:36:19,764
I don't know!

591
00:36:19,764 --> 00:36:20,764
It's been...

592
00:36:22,182 --> 00:36:23,777
I don't know.

593
00:36:23,777 --> 00:36:24,610
It's...

594
00:36:25,713 --> 00:36:26,796
I don't know!

595
00:36:28,935 --> 00:36:32,070
♪ It's the circle of life ♪

596
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:34,230
- Almost 13 years.

597
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:36,063
You would take a few holidays.

598
00:36:37,050 --> 00:36:38,433
And I'm not good with math.

599
00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:42,173
And it's thousands, just thousands.

600
00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:47,100
My family are all in South Africa

601
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:49,480
and I've been away from
there for a long time.

602
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,494
Everyone that's close
to me is in the theatre.

603
00:36:52,494 --> 00:36:53,810
(women giggling)

604
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:56,700
Most of us are homesick
at one time or another,

605
00:36:56,700 --> 00:37:01,700
so we are like a real theatre family.

606
00:37:02,277 --> 00:37:03,200
(woman laughs)

607
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,730
- I think the repeat attenders are drawn

608
00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:08,660
to the sense of belonging to something,

609
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:10,340
and it's a realm that's outside

610
00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:12,353
of your normal everyday life.

611
00:37:13,696 --> 00:37:14,529
The story of "The Lion King"

612
00:37:14,529 --> 00:37:17,420
is directly related to a family.

613
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:19,240
This idea of a pride.

614
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:21,250
I've spent the last four years

615
00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:22,793
out of my hometown of Darwin.

616
00:37:23,770 --> 00:37:27,920
I always pined for home,
my tribe back there,

617
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,760
so it's something I'm
intimately familiar with.

618
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,350
The theatre is a very powerful platform.

619
00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:37,620
I hope on some small scale
that an indigenous kid

620
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:39,490
that comes to see "The Lion King"

621
00:37:39,490 --> 00:37:42,310
and sees me as the King Mufasa

622
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:45,440
will kind of widen his or her idea

623
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,660
of what they're capable of.

624
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:52,426
I've always grown up in a
place that's multicultural.

625
00:37:52,426 --> 00:37:53,743
- Let's do this.
- Let's get it done.

626
00:37:53,743 --> 00:37:56,930
What I found amazing about "The Lion King"

627
00:37:56,930 --> 00:38:00,160
so many cultures telling the one story

628
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,330
and so many parallels between them.

629
00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:04,761
I found that experience to be unifying.

630
00:38:04,761 --> 00:38:05,713
- Hey, Dereck.
- Hi there.

631
00:38:05,713 --> 00:38:07,960
-  Theatre is for everyone.

632
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,130
And as the lights go down in the theatre,

633
00:38:10,130 --> 00:38:12,700
it doesn't matter who you are in that mix,

634
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:16,480
everyone becomes this one unified force.

635
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,313
It's magic.

636
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:24,580
-  You always have the
chance to choose your family

637
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,650
and choose the place where
you are at feel at home.

638
00:38:30,925 --> 00:38:33,810
And that was the feeling
when I first saw "Starlight".

639
00:38:33,810 --> 00:38:36,580
I did not want to leave the theatre.

640
00:38:36,580 --> 00:38:41,233
My soul belong to this blue
light and into this music.

641
00:38:42,742 --> 00:38:45,230
- The power of theatre is unlike the power

642
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:48,360
of anything else because it utilises

643
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,860
a different part of the brain.

644
00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:53,200
- People go back to the theatre repeatedly

645
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,320
because it really gives
them an opportunity

646
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,550
to step out of their own reality.

647
00:38:58,550 --> 00:39:00,450
Imagination is actually very important

648
00:39:00,450 --> 00:39:02,890
because that's the language
of the subconscious mind.

649
00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:05,620
When going to see a show, initially,

650
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:09,150
the conscious part of the
mind knows there's actors,

651
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:12,050
you know they're playing a
role, there're certain lights.

652
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:13,200
And those are the facts.

653
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,470
The conscious part cares about that,

654
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:17,310
but that's not the
strongest part of the mind.

655
00:39:17,310 --> 00:39:19,170
The subconscious is willing
to completely forget

656
00:39:19,170 --> 00:39:21,820
all of that and engage with
the emotional experience.

657
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,600
Their subconscious mind
doesn't care that it's a show.

658
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,970
It's reacting to that as
if that is a real thing.

659
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:32,350
That is the really powerful
part of that subconscious mind.

660
00:39:32,350 --> 00:39:33,630
People might go to shows repeatedly

661
00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:35,820
because it stimulates their imagination.

662
00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:37,740
So it starts to make them think about

663
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:40,210
this might be where things
are out right now in my life,

664
00:39:40,210 --> 00:39:41,500
but where could they go?

665
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:43,760
Because I've had an
experience of something else

666
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,180
that's like awoken something in me

667
00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:47,223
and I want to feel that again.

668
00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:51,650
- What they manage to
do is lose track of time

669
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:52,840
several times a week.

670
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,360
They go into a theatre and
for two-and-a-half hours,

671
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,810
they're somewhere else; they have escaped.

672
00:39:57,810 --> 00:39:59,710
Well, when you lose track of time,

673
00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:03,690
time loses track of you and
I think that is added on

674
00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:04,980
at the end of your life.

675
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:07,430
And I'm not sure these fans don't have

676
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:09,393
a very long lifespan.

677
00:40:12,018 --> 00:40:14,601
(gentle music)

678
00:40:23,034 --> 00:40:24,512
(child giggling)

679
00:40:24,512 --> 00:40:27,070
(man groaning)
(child laughing)

680
00:40:27,070 --> 00:40:30,960
- My daughter Mignon was four years old

681
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,100
and I promised her to take her with me

682
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:38,000
to "Starlight Express"
and it was wonderful.

683
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,680
When the show started, she made so, so,

684
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,220
and with her legs up and down

685
00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:47,233
she said there, "Wow, wow!"

686
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:54,407
She painted Rusty and I said,

687
00:40:54,407 --> 00:40:55,620
"Dear, what are you doing?"

688
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:58,717
And she said, "It was so beautiful,

689
00:40:58,717 --> 00:41:02,360
"I don't want to forget his face."

690
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,693
So she painted him and then
she fall asleep, fell asleep.

691
00:41:07,826 --> 00:41:10,597
(laughs)

692
00:41:10,597 --> 00:41:13,023
Maybe she dreamed that night.

693
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,920
I got married on August the 1st

694
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,920
and I phoned at "Starlight
Express" when the open day is.

695
00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:29,760
I won't marry when I know
on that day is open day.

696
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,800
I won't go to my wedding.

697
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,140
It was true!

698
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:33,973
Really (laughs)!

699
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:40,900
But the first open day I missed
was when my child was born

700
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,920
because that was not planned.

701
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,783
And when there was open
day I was in the hospital.

702
00:41:53,516 --> 00:41:56,220
(speaking in foreign language)

703
00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:59,310
The second time I missed the open day

704
00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:03,020
when my best friend Vera died.

705
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,800
She was a really big
"Starlight Express" fan.

706
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,800
And when she died I need
a little rest of that.

707
00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:14,240
I need a little rest.

708
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:19,240
And in the year 2010,
last year I missed it

709
00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:23,773
because both of my parents died.

710
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:29,720
My father died, and I
needed a little bit rest.

711
00:42:31,016 --> 00:42:33,599
(gentle music)

712
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,300
When I first went with my daughter Mignon

713
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:49,020
to that open day, my
mother wanted to follow me,

714
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:53,470
because she thought that
my daughter is too small

715
00:42:53,470 --> 00:42:55,530
for that big festival.

716
00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:57,620
She was not convinced
of "Starlight Express"

717
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:59,630
and not convinced of our hobby.

718
00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:04,630
A four-year-old child is normally is shy

719
00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:08,500
and there is my little
Mignon four years old

720
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:13,010
dressed up as Dinah on the open stage.

721
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:17,160
She won the contest with singing.

722
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,552
It was no singing, it was screaming.

723
00:43:21,552 --> 00:43:23,040
(laughs)

724
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,220
But it was so nice.

725
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:29,243
Her wish was born to be a singer,

726
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:35,530
one day to be a star
at "Starlight Express".

727
00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:39,093
(gentle music)

728
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:43,553
My daughter.

729
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:46,540
Sweet!

730
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:47,933
Really, really sweet.

731
00:43:49,597 --> 00:43:53,610
When she's grown up she
wants to be a singer.

732
00:43:53,610 --> 00:43:56,170
She wants to be a musical star.

733
00:43:56,170 --> 00:43:57,530
She is pretty.

734
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:59,243
She's not fat yet.

735
00:44:00,112 --> 00:44:01,977
(Mignon laughs)

736
00:44:01,977 --> 00:44:05,046
(speaks in foreign language)

737
00:44:05,046 --> 00:44:06,411
- It's very nice of her.

738
00:44:06,411 --> 00:44:08,715
(speaks in foreign language)

739
00:44:08,715 --> 00:44:12,087
- My own child, and I'll
do everything for you.

740
00:44:12,087 --> 00:44:15,150
(speaks in foreign language)

741
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:16,091
- Thank you.

742
00:44:16,091 --> 00:44:17,234
(speaks in foreign language)

743
00:44:17,234 --> 00:44:19,050
(laughs)

744
00:44:19,050 --> 00:44:21,100
Yes, I love you too.

745
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:22,569
- In German please.

746
00:44:22,569 --> 00:44:26,184
(speaks in foreign language)
-  Aww.

747
00:44:26,184 --> 00:44:29,934
(speaks in foreign language)

748
00:44:35,590 --> 00:44:37,570
- I hope you get the famous star

749
00:44:37,570 --> 00:44:39,972
and let me live in your house.

750
00:44:39,972 --> 00:44:42,814
(laughs)

751
00:44:42,814 --> 00:44:44,170
- I'll try it.

752
00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:46,190
- She is very talented.

753
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:50,590
She shares a beautiful
singing and speaking voice.

754
00:44:50,590 --> 00:44:55,590
I try to help her, not like
it was when I was was a child.

755
00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:00,347
-  What if she feels like

756
00:45:00,347 --> 00:45:02,540
she can't say, "Mom, I don't
wanna do this anymore,"

757
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:05,050
because she'll upset you or let you down

758
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:06,730
or disappoint you?

759
00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:10,383
- I really would don't
know what to say to this.

760
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,020
I never thought about it.

761
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:16,943
I never thought about it
that she would not like it.

762
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:20,213
She gives not the impression.

763
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:27,120
But when she came from the
stage after she won this contest

764
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,206
she gave autographs and everything,

765
00:45:31,206 --> 00:45:34,840
and with no word she
said I want to go home.

766
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,740
I want to dress off.

767
00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:40,700
I want to get rid of those roller skates.

768
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:41,883
She wanted more.

769
00:45:42,810 --> 00:45:44,283
She always wanted more.

770
00:45:47,970 --> 00:45:49,733
I don't know what to say now.

771
00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:58,940
No, I don't know what to say

772
00:45:58,940 --> 00:46:02,343
because she never gave that impression.

773
00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:06,357
(clock ticking)

774
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,520
I never forced her.

775
00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:24,590
I won't do anything that
is not her decision,

776
00:46:24,590 --> 00:46:27,593
but she loved it from the
first day on she loved it.

777
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,863
And I love it, why
shouldn't she love it too?

778
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,430
My husband doesn't love it.

779
00:46:39,350 --> 00:46:42,980
My husband don't like "Starlight Express"

780
00:46:42,980 --> 00:46:45,313
and I won't dress him up as Pearl.

781
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:47,523
No, I won't.

782
00:46:51,970 --> 00:46:53,860
- There's just something
about "Cats" that just kinda

783
00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:55,760
people wanna dress up as the characters

784
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,840
and they want to experience
the show that way.

785
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,010
My husband was introduced to "Cats" by me,

786
00:47:02,010 --> 00:47:03,380
and we were dating at the time.

787
00:47:03,380 --> 00:47:06,247
And I just told him, "I'm
just a really big fan

788
00:47:06,247 --> 00:47:08,127
"of this music called called 'Cats'

789
00:47:08,127 --> 00:47:09,807
"and I hope you don't think I'm crazy

790
00:47:09,807 --> 00:47:13,530
"but I'm kind of sports
fan obsession with it."

791
00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:17,130
And he was like, "Hmm,
okay, this is crazy."

792
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:17,963
Until he actually saw the show

793
00:47:17,963 --> 00:47:21,057
and then he can kind of
understand why I was into it

794
00:47:21,057 --> 00:47:22,670
and why I liked it so much.

795
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:27,670
He supports me and he
will help me collect items

796
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:29,893
and he helped me do photoshoots.

797
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:32,640
If I wanna dress up as a character,

798
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,820
he's like my photographer and
he'll take photos of me in

799
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:41,990
kinda like the glamour
shots kind of thing.

800
00:47:43,067 --> 00:47:45,650
(bubbly music)

801
00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:09,550
I can see why everybody goes to comic-con

802
00:48:09,550 --> 00:48:13,553
dressed up, 'cause everybody
loves becoming someone else.

803
00:48:13,553 --> 00:48:18,417
(graceful music)
(camera clicking)

804
00:48:18,417 --> 00:48:22,220
It's like being a kid
again and being able to

805
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:23,853
just express yourself.

806
00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:26,670
My friends seem to like it.

807
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:28,660
My family thinks I'm a little bit off,

808
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:30,910
but I think I'm a little,
but that's what families,

809
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:32,150
families are always like that.

810
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:34,547
They're just, sometimes people
just don't understand you

811
00:48:34,547 --> 00:48:36,850
and you just kinda have to deal with that.

812
00:48:36,850 --> 00:48:39,560
I kind of draw the line
with going to the show

813
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,750
dressed as a character.

814
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:44,530
I don't really think
that that is appropriate.

815
00:48:44,530 --> 00:48:45,480
I don't do that.

816
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,750
I normally don't do it.

817
00:48:46,750 --> 00:48:48,650
I've done it like a couple of times,

818
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:52,550
but I felt very uncomfortable
and I felt very out of place

819
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:55,260
and I just think it's too distracting.

820
00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:58,781
There's a place for it
outside of the show.

821
00:48:58,781 --> 00:49:03,698
(graceful music)
(giggles)

822
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,723
I feel, I'm hot.

823
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:09,740
The costume's really hot.

824
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:11,802
I'm gonna do the touch push.

825
00:49:11,802 --> 00:49:13,339
Touch push.

826
00:49:13,339 --> 00:49:16,089
(graceful music)

827
00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:21,010
You can become someone
completely totally different

828
00:49:21,010 --> 00:49:23,510
and totally different
creature or different being.

829
00:49:26,550 --> 00:49:30,073
Her number is very fast
and very energetic.

830
00:49:33,106 --> 00:49:35,689
(lively music)

831
00:49:39,490 --> 00:49:41,040
Does the whole tap dance routine,

832
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,960
and she's very sparkly and shimmies

833
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,190
and all those other steps.

834
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:48,773
(lively music)

835
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:55,768
And then of course, thank you, my dears.

836
00:49:55,768 --> 00:49:57,281
(laughs)

837
00:49:57,281 --> 00:49:58,948
Thank you, my dears.

838
00:50:01,137 --> 00:50:02,970
- Thank you, my dears!

839
00:50:08,063 --> 00:50:09,670
You know, I haven't been on stage

840
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:12,220
so I'm just doing photo
shoots and things like that.

841
00:50:13,153 --> 00:50:14,253
Looks like it's stuck.

842
00:50:16,570 --> 00:50:18,900
It's a lot of fun.

843
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:22,093
Just sort of become
someone else for a while.

844
00:50:39,932 --> 00:50:42,200
Now here is the worst part.

845
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,630
I feel like me again, so
it's the real me here.

846
00:50:45,630 --> 00:50:47,337
This is what I wake up
in the morning, okay,

847
00:50:47,337 --> 00:50:50,090
before my face is completely on and stuff

848
00:50:50,090 --> 00:50:52,363
so it's kinda funny actually.

849
00:50:55,140 --> 00:50:57,453
I feel like I've come
back to myself and come,

850
00:50:59,045 --> 00:50:59,913
(gentle music)

851
00:50:59,913 --> 00:51:04,093
come back to being plain
old Christine again.

852
00:51:05,751 --> 00:51:07,003
Playing dress up is over.

853
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,863
Go back to my real life.

854
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,460
- The unique thing about
theatre is that the actors

855
00:51:19,460 --> 00:51:21,883
that you see performing are accessible.

856
00:51:21,883 --> 00:51:26,883
(fast piano music)
(siren wailing)

857
00:51:30,583 --> 00:51:32,733
(crowd cheering)

858
00:51:32,733 --> 00:51:35,566
(crowd whistling)

859
00:51:53,026 --> 00:51:55,258
- Don't make me come over here again.

860
00:51:55,258 --> 00:51:56,970
Put your hands down, man.

861
00:51:56,970 --> 00:51:59,887
(fast piano music)

862
00:52:02,591 --> 00:52:04,744
-  Can I just tell you something?

863
00:52:04,744 --> 00:52:05,675
I have no idea who you are,

864
00:52:05,675 --> 00:52:07,351
but my child is obsessed with you.

865
00:52:07,351 --> 00:52:10,019
(laughs)

866
00:52:10,019 --> 00:52:12,156
- Well then maybe you
should learn about me--

867
00:52:12,156 --> 00:52:13,139
- I did, I have to.
- And you'll be

868
00:52:13,139 --> 00:52:14,629
better known as mother.

869
00:52:14,629 --> 00:52:16,380
-  I know.

870
00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:17,220
-  There is that sense of rush

871
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:19,590
of having met a celebrity
someone who is famous

872
00:52:19,590 --> 00:52:22,440
or different or special in some way

873
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,280
and that can imbue you with
that same sense of specialness

874
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,570
by being near them and talking to them.

875
00:52:27,570 --> 00:52:29,890
- Fans bring all sorts of
things to the stage door.

876
00:52:29,890 --> 00:52:31,480
They bake.

877
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,420
If you know someone who
loves a certain food,

878
00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:36,810
they'll bring them that food.

879
00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:39,050
Cases and cartons of it.

880
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:40,590
They'll send gifts.

881
00:52:40,590 --> 00:52:43,580
I wouldn't eat something that's a stranger

882
00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:44,563
made for me.

883
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:48,400
- It's an attention tactic.

884
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,210
I've done it, and when I did it,

885
00:52:51,210 --> 00:52:54,720
it was 100% trying to get
attention from that person.

886
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,180
Thinking going to the stage
targeting that autograph

887
00:52:57,180 --> 00:53:00,700
every night wasn't enough
at a certain point.

888
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:03,130
And certainly when it was happening to me,

889
00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:06,080
I don't think I was
fully consciously aware

890
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,500
of how much it was a call for attention,

891
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:09,807
but I sort of was like,

892
00:53:09,807 --> 00:53:12,357
"Uh, I should get this
thing, it's perfect for them.

893
00:53:12,357 --> 00:53:13,597
"I'm gonna do it."

894
00:53:15,218 --> 00:53:19,930
And I think depending on what
it is and totally depending

895
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:22,210
on the person, some of them
might really appreciate it

896
00:53:22,210 --> 00:53:23,750
and think it's really
sweet and really nice,

897
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:25,730
and other people might chuck it and think

898
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:27,077
that's fucking creepy.

899
00:53:27,077 --> 00:53:29,660
(both chuckle)

900
00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:34,730
- The differences between
a super fan and a stalker

901
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:36,993
is really the boundaries
that they observe.

902
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,380
A super fan might be someone
who repeatedly goes to speak

903
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:44,040
to the actor, watches the show;

904
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,430
a stalker would take
that one step further.

905
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:49,230
They might actually try
and find where they live.

906
00:53:49,230 --> 00:53:52,400
They might send inappropriate
messages or even threats.

907
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,250
They might make that actor feel unsafe

908
00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:56,770
or really uncomfortable in some way.

909
00:53:56,770 --> 00:53:58,860
- People who come to the stage door early

910
00:53:58,860 --> 00:54:00,220
to see people on their way in

911
00:54:00,220 --> 00:54:03,780
or go to the side door is just,

912
00:54:03,780 --> 00:54:05,190
it's overstepping your boundaries

913
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:09,120
and it's encroaching
on their lives in a way

914
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,413
that is disrespectful to
them and their time really.

915
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:16,153
Stalkers.

916
00:54:17,649 --> 00:54:19,300
- Ugh.

917
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:22,150
-  This is where I come
before and after the show.

918
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:25,353
I've always gone to the
stage door after every show

919
00:54:25,353 --> 00:54:26,350
that I've seen.

920
00:54:26,350 --> 00:54:28,523
It's just something I've
always done since I was little.

921
00:54:31,621 --> 00:54:33,223
- How are you?
- Yeah, fine, back to you.

922
00:54:33,223 --> 00:54:34,126
- You enjoyed today?

923
00:54:34,126 --> 00:54:35,716
- Yeah, missed you last
week when I was up here.

924
00:54:35,716 --> 00:54:37,170
- Oh yeah, of course.
- On holiday also.

925
00:54:37,170 --> 00:54:39,055
- I was in much needed holiday.

926
00:54:39,055 --> 00:54:41,085
It was good though.
- Very nice.

927
00:54:41,085 --> 00:54:43,235
Recharge the batteries.
- Yeah, exactly.

928
00:54:43,235 --> 00:54:44,659
- Cheers!

929
00:54:44,659 --> 00:54:46,170
Over the years that I've
been seeing the show

930
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:49,022
the majority that cast
were absolutely lovely.

931
00:54:49,022 --> 00:54:49,855
- Hey.
- Hey.

932
00:54:49,855 --> 00:54:50,858
How are you?
- How are you?

933
00:54:50,858 --> 00:54:51,930
- It's always nice to
see them when we come out

934
00:54:51,930 --> 00:54:52,763
the stage door.

935
00:54:52,763 --> 00:54:54,710
It's really nice to have the support.

936
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:56,460
There are some fans that can be

937
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:59,040
a little overbearing as I've seen.

938
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,950
Heard of two fans who showed up

939
00:55:00,950 --> 00:55:02,220
to somebody's door once,

940
00:55:02,220 --> 00:55:04,330
knocked in the morning and
asked to come in for coffee

941
00:55:04,330 --> 00:55:06,900
and she said, "I don't even know you."

942
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:10,420
So, but they felt like
perhaps they knew her

943
00:55:10,420 --> 00:55:12,470
because they see her in
the show all the time.

944
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:14,440
But, yeah, but for me personally

945
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,087
I haven't had any bad
experiences yet (chuckles).

946
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:20,670
-  Most of the performers
I think are really happy

947
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:22,940
to see me back.

948
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:23,773
- Do you want me to sign in your arms.

949
00:55:23,773 --> 00:55:24,721
- Yes.
- Okay.

950
00:55:25,947 --> 00:55:26,800
- You're not gonna hurt me.

951
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,380
- Sometimes they stand at the stage door

952
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:30,400
and somebody goes, "Oh, you're back."

953
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,121
What does that say to a fan?

954
00:55:32,121 --> 00:55:33,437
It's like, "Oh my gosh, you noticed me

955
00:55:33,437 --> 00:55:35,010
"and you know that I've been back."

956
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:40,010
Now, could it take a
strange foray into stalking?

957
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:48,560
- The day of this interview is 17 years

958
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,160
since I was released from jail.

959
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,490
This is my first interview.

960
00:55:53,490 --> 00:55:55,920
This is the first time
I've had the opportunity

961
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,900
to speak to somebody about this.

962
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:00,830
And I'm glad to get this off my chest.

963
00:56:00,830 --> 00:56:05,120
And I was getting in a lot
of trouble for various things

964
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,040
in my first college.

965
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,280
A sexual harassment, unwanted hugging,

966
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,823
all that kind of stuff.

967
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,450
I really had to find something in my life

968
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:17,325
or I was probably going
to end up in prison.

969
00:56:17,325 --> 00:56:20,001
(upbeat music)

970
00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:21,751
♪ Oh ♪

971
00:56:23,570 --> 00:56:25,840
- Well, when I first heard
"Electric Youth" by Debbie Gibson

972
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,520
I heard a message I wasn't
getting in my real life.

973
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,337
I was hearing something very positive.

974
00:56:32,337 --> 00:56:33,830
♪ The pressure's everywhere ♪

975
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:35,700
- What you say is important.

976
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:37,140
What you feel is important.

977
00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:39,813
You do have something positive there.

978
00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:41,463
♪ The fever's in the air ♪

979
00:56:41,463 --> 00:56:43,270
♪ Oh yeah it's there ♪

980
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:45,830
- I believe she gave me a
message that prevented me

981
00:56:45,830 --> 00:56:47,053
from being everything
that I could have been.

982
00:56:47,053 --> 00:56:49,393
I could've been a serial rapist.

983
00:56:49,393 --> 00:56:51,643
♪ Electric youth ♪

984
00:56:51,643 --> 00:56:54,410
♪ The power you see the energy ♪

985
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:55,690
- And if not for her,

986
00:56:55,690 --> 00:56:58,090
if not for that "Electric Youth" ideology,

987
00:56:58,090 --> 00:56:59,360
not for that message,

988
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,606
I don't wanna know what I would
have become later in 1989.

989
00:57:04,606 --> 00:57:07,788
♪ Electric youth ♪

990
00:57:07,788 --> 00:57:09,680
♪ It's true you can't fight it ♪

991
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,820
- I could get in a lot
of trouble if I decided

992
00:57:12,820 --> 00:57:16,381
to play into just the
celebrity Debbie Gibson.

993
00:57:16,381 --> 00:57:18,709
♪ Electric ♪

994
00:57:18,709 --> 00:57:21,490
- I had said many things on the Internet

995
00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:23,960
that made a lot of people
believe I was threatening her

996
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,310
even though I tried to say as best I could

997
00:57:27,310 --> 00:57:29,750
that I wasn't, because that's true for me.

998
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:31,453
That's my reality.

999
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,090
Don't deny me my reality,

1000
00:57:35,090 --> 00:57:36,343
because the moment you do that,

1001
00:57:36,343 --> 00:57:38,840
you can make whatever
assumptions you want about me

1002
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:39,673
at that point.

1003
00:57:40,570 --> 00:57:43,150
-  Did
Debbie Gibson save you?

1004
00:57:43,150 --> 00:57:43,983
- Yes.

1005
00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:46,013
Yes.

1006
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,390
Debbie Gibson saved me,

1007
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:53,193
at least two times maybe upwards of five.

1008
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:56,103
No lie.

1009
00:57:57,260 --> 00:58:01,410
That woman saved me from being everything

1010
00:58:01,410 --> 00:58:03,760
that I was thought to do to her

1011
00:58:04,690 --> 00:58:06,840
to dozens of people in my real life,

1012
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,840
dozens of women in my real life.

1013
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,740
And, again, these are women that I liked,

1014
00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:16,240
who I felt like me and so on and so forth.

1015
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,920
I'm not a good hit leader

1016
00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:22,183
so that would often be a
problem in my real life.

1017
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,870
But at the end of the day
if I don't have Deborah,

1018
00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:30,813
that message, et cetera, I'm a monster.

1019
00:58:31,690 --> 00:58:34,150
I'm every bit the monster
people thought I would be,

1020
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:37,610
both in my real life
and in this constructed

1021
00:58:37,610 --> 00:58:39,973
celebrity stuff, musical
theatre and otherwise.

1022
00:58:41,883 --> 00:58:44,140
-  Debbie, one second.

1023
00:58:44,140 --> 00:58:44,973
Debbie, this way.

1024
00:58:44,973 --> 00:58:46,640
- I understood that she
was going to get sexy,

1025
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,660
she was going to get more adult.

1026
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:51,120
She's always had a nice
body and she has never shied

1027
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,270
showing off those legs.

1028
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:55,080
And I have a killer leg fetish

1029
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:58,433
that's gonna come into play big.

1030
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,153
Trust me.

1031
00:59:02,684 --> 00:59:04,467
Because my mouth is quite dry.

1032
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:08,660
Well, it's not only hard work but again

1033
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:09,687
it's lot of stuff.

1034
00:59:09,687 --> 00:59:11,863
And we haven't even
scratched the surface yet.

1035
00:59:20,634 --> 00:59:22,440
And it's still someone
I care about deeply.

1036
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,750
I don't know the number of emails I sent.

1037
00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:28,180
It was dozens if not a couple hundred.

1038
00:59:28,180 --> 00:59:30,280
The Gibsons were getting
bombarded with the emails

1039
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,277
from the fans saying,
"He's going to kill her.

1040
00:59:32,277 --> 00:59:34,537
"He's going to hurt her."

1041
00:59:35,540 --> 00:59:39,210
I needed guidance from the woman involved,

1042
00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:44,210
regarding am I a stalker,
am I not a stalker.

1043
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:47,860
I felt compelled to do something.

1044
00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:52,090
In 1998, I went to the stage
door of "Beauty and the Beast"

1045
00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:54,283
to see Deborah to settle the issue.

1046
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,940
You wanna talk about repeated attending.

1047
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:58,770
As far as "Beauty and the Beast" goes,

1048
00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:01,970
opening night, once or twice in October,

1049
01:00:01,970 --> 01:00:04,780
at least four, because
I didn't kind of cheat

1050
01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:08,390
a couple of times as far
as the stage door goes.

1051
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:11,040
I kind of timed out the show
and showed up at the end

1052
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,243
of the show and all that kind of crap.

1053
01:00:14,243 --> 01:00:17,830
So there was one time I
dropped by to wish Deborah well

1054
01:00:17,830 --> 01:00:19,400
as she was going to Japan.

1055
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,650
So she's out.

1056
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:22,420
There's about 20 kids.

1057
01:00:22,420 --> 01:00:24,100
All of a sudden her mom
comes out tackles her,

1058
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:25,200
throws are in the car.

1059
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:30,095
And this thing (mumbles), oh
shit, is that because of me?

1060
01:00:30,095 --> 01:00:32,480
(tense music)

1061
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,410
I was in my normal position
kind of laying in the back.

1062
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:37,670
There was no barricade.

1063
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:39,810
There was nothing there.

1064
01:00:39,810 --> 01:00:43,390
If I or anyone else had
wanted to try to do something,

1065
01:00:43,390 --> 01:00:45,400
she could be completely encircled.

1066
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:46,610
She'd be trapped.

1067
01:00:46,610 --> 01:00:48,860
There'd be no way to get her out of it.

1068
01:00:48,860 --> 01:00:50,160
She was nowhere nearby.

1069
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,280
She was gone.

1070
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,820
She might well have been in a safe house

1071
01:00:52,820 --> 01:00:54,510
for all anybody knew.

1072
01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:57,831
Everything was going a million
miles an hour at that point.

1073
01:00:57,831 --> 01:01:00,283
I was in a complete panic.

1074
01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:06,233
20 minutes goes by.

1075
01:01:07,090 --> 01:01:08,363
30 minutes goes by.

1076
01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:10,633
45 minutes goes by.

1077
01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:14,040
And then finally two
officers come up, put me,

1078
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,800
say, "Mr. Falkner, please
go against the wall"

1079
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,013
and that's the end of ballgame.

1080
01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:23,873
I was taken to the precinct
that covers the Palace Theatre.

1081
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:27,860
I was booked.

1082
01:01:27,860 --> 01:01:30,180
I was originally charged with two counts,

1083
01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:32,473
a count of harassment and
a count of menacing.

1084
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:39,660
At that point I am taking
and poured on the bus

1085
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:40,683
to Rikers Island.

1086
01:01:41,590 --> 01:01:44,233
I was in jail for eight
and a half or nine months.

1087
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:48,710
I learned a lot in Rikers Island.

1088
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:51,020
Rikers Island was the best
social experience I ever had

1089
01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:52,493
in my life before since.

1090
01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:54,970
The more time that goes by,

1091
01:01:54,970 --> 01:01:57,580
the more I begin to believe
that the biggest mistake

1092
01:01:57,580 --> 01:01:59,300
they made was not shooting me outright

1093
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:00,810
and blowing my brains all over the wall

1094
01:02:00,810 --> 01:02:02,710
of the Palace Theatre.

1095
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:05,400
I'd actually wanted to do
something to Debra violently.

1096
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,340
It would have been done.

1097
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:08,643
Nothing but a bullet to
the head were to stop me.

1098
01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:11,930
I'm one of that kind of
committed of a person.

1099
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:15,103
If I want to do that, it will get done.

1100
01:02:16,342 --> 01:02:18,925
(gentle music)

1101
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:27,000
What would I have done differently?

1102
01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:30,103
That's what I would have done differently.

1103
01:02:33,250 --> 01:02:38,250
I'm sorry, I mean, I'm
sorry because I hurt a woman

1104
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,090
that was worth more to
me than my own life.

1105
01:02:41,090 --> 01:02:42,960
If people don't wanna accept that,

1106
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,110
that's your damn right.

1107
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:48,310
But that woman gave me so much,

1108
01:02:48,310 --> 01:02:51,670
Deborah Gibson gave me so much,
she gave me a lease on life

1109
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:53,370
I was not entitled to.

1110
01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:55,503
I turned out not to be entitled to.

1111
01:02:58,140 --> 01:02:59,293
And I threw that away.

1112
01:03:00,670 --> 01:03:02,810
I loved him, I still loved her,

1113
01:03:02,810 --> 01:03:04,790
and that's why I need
to be kept away from her

1114
01:03:04,790 --> 01:03:06,867
unless she chooses different.

1115
01:03:12,825 --> 01:03:15,325
(tense music)

1116
01:03:22,889 --> 01:03:25,100
- Our early childhood
experiences can often have

1117
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:27,620
a big impact on who we
become in the future.

1118
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:29,990
If we experience rejection
from our parents,

1119
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:31,400
if our parents aren't there for us

1120
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,890
or if they're abusive in some way,

1121
01:03:32,890 --> 01:03:35,040
then that leaves lasting damage.

1122
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,510
That's something that we then have to live

1123
01:03:36,510 --> 01:03:37,940
with all our lives.

1124
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:39,930
And we find different
ways of dealing with that.

1125
01:03:39,930 --> 01:03:42,310
For some people it might
be taking drugs and alcohol

1126
01:03:42,310 --> 01:03:44,110
to numb the pain.

1127
01:03:44,110 --> 01:03:46,370
For other people it
might be about engaging

1128
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:48,490
in a fantasy world where
they can feel better,

1129
01:03:48,490 --> 01:03:51,810
where they can dream that the
life that they would love to

1130
01:03:51,810 --> 01:03:54,813
have had is the life that they're having.

1131
01:03:58,020 --> 01:04:03,020
- I went to different
musical school auditions,

1132
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,283
and I thought I would study musical.

1133
01:04:10,610 --> 01:04:13,513
It was the Folkwang Hochschule in Essen.

1134
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:18,730
They made me strong in my
dream different from that

1135
01:04:18,730 --> 01:04:20,483
what I expected.

1136
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,933
They wanted to have me.

1137
01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:29,053
My parents always say, "You are too small.

1138
01:04:30,497 --> 01:04:32,837
"You have a voice like a pig.

1139
01:04:32,837 --> 01:04:35,157
"You don't look pretty.

1140
01:04:35,157 --> 01:04:37,127
"You are thick and fat.

1141
01:04:37,127 --> 01:04:39,640
"They don't need you."

1142
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,430
But I thought like Rusty, I can do it.

1143
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:46,050
I can manage that, I will try.

1144
01:04:46,050 --> 01:04:49,360
I can't win if I can't try.

1145
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,380
And I went there.

1146
01:04:51,380 --> 01:04:56,290
The teacher said, "Go to the
office and sign the contract."

1147
01:04:56,290 --> 01:05:01,290
And my father, sorry, did not allow it.

1148
01:05:02,770 --> 01:05:05,828
Sorry that I start crying.

1149
01:05:05,828 --> 01:05:07,433
He did not allow it.

1150
01:05:11,900 --> 01:05:13,053
He did not allow it.

1151
01:05:15,083 --> 01:05:17,215
(sombre music)

1152
01:05:17,215 --> 01:05:18,847
That was my broken dream.

1153
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:24,130
I tried to find a new way

1154
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,840
and I found an an acting
course in my area here,

1155
01:05:35,810 --> 01:05:38,293
but it was acting; it was not musical.

1156
01:05:40,340 --> 01:05:44,493
And it was not that what
I thought of my life but,

1157
01:05:49,065 --> 01:05:52,550
but I learned much, I
learned much about me.

1158
01:05:53,985 --> 01:05:56,023
I learned much about me and my body.

1159
01:05:58,670 --> 01:06:02,963
And I learned to accept
my role in my life.

1160
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:09,520
And I learned that I won't
get very far with that father.

1161
01:06:11,610 --> 01:06:16,610
We went home, and on the way
back in the car he told me,

1162
01:06:16,757 --> 01:06:20,677
"Now you know, they told
you you are nothing,

1163
01:06:20,677 --> 01:06:22,917
"you can't do it.

1164
01:06:22,917 --> 01:06:24,337
"They don't need you.

1165
01:06:24,337 --> 01:06:29,043
"Now you know you won't be an an actress.

1166
01:06:31,087 --> 01:06:32,177
"Accept it."

1167
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:39,750
I didn't want to lose
this fight completely.

1168
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,440
And this was the moment
when I started to work

1169
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,813
against my daddy.

1170
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:57,410
And so I started making these
costumes to show my father

1171
01:06:57,410 --> 01:07:01,403
every day what he tried to destroy in me.

1172
01:07:02,589 --> 01:07:05,172
(sombre music)

1173
01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:14,850
-  If you think
of theatre is medicine,

1174
01:07:14,850 --> 01:07:18,410
this is medicine that
actually cures what ails you.

1175
01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:20,370
That feeling of alienation,

1176
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:21,920
it shows that you're not alone.

1177
01:07:23,030 --> 01:07:25,290
- I think theatre can
change how you feel a lot.

1178
01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:27,440
It can make you, I think
at the end of the day,

1179
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,910
theatre is escapism.

1180
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:30,510
It's definitely a escapism for me.

1181
01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:32,890
I mean I love it and I wanna
see as many shows as I can

1182
01:07:32,890 --> 01:07:33,723
and all that stuff.

1183
01:07:33,723 --> 01:07:36,090
When I really connect to a show,

1184
01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:38,700
it usually is partially
what's happening in my life,

1185
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:40,010
and partially what's
happening in the show.

1186
01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:41,530
It's usually 50/50.

1187
01:07:41,530 --> 01:07:45,000
And that show can become like a funnel

1188
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,690
for releasing negative emotions

1189
01:07:47,690 --> 01:07:50,323
and just enjoying
yourself for a few hours.

1190
01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:56,850
- This summer, this past
summer my cousin died

1191
01:07:56,850 --> 01:08:01,850
and we saw the new revival of "Bare".

1192
01:08:02,490 --> 01:08:03,730
And I knew the show.

1193
01:08:03,730 --> 01:08:05,720
They changed it a little bit
but I knew the storyline,

1194
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,120
and in the end one of the characters died.

1195
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,650
They knew this going into it.

1196
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:12,970
And it wasn't, it was a little
bit of a parallel situation.

1197
01:08:12,970 --> 01:08:16,560
My cousin killed himself and
he had mental health issues;

1198
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,760
in the show it's a character
dealing with homosexual issues.

1199
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,940
But it still was about
repression and secrecy

1200
01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:25,410
and then there was a point in the show

1201
01:08:27,230 --> 01:08:31,220
when the this nun character sings the song

1202
01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:35,760
about how you'll never be alone.

1203
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,853
And from that point on, I was gone.

1204
01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:41,890
And then at the end of
the show we sat there

1205
01:08:41,890 --> 01:08:45,570
for about three minutes
while I, like, stopped.

1206
01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:48,720
Like not even like after I
saw Titanic when I was 14

1207
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,845
and sat in the movie theatre,
was like, "Oh, God, Jack."

1208
01:08:51,845 --> 01:08:55,564
♪ Let me quiet your fear ♪

1209
01:08:55,564 --> 01:08:58,695
♪ Things may not be easy ♪

1210
01:08:58,695 --> 01:09:02,694
♪ But one thing you should know ♪

1211
01:09:02,694 --> 01:09:07,303
♪ You're not alone ♪

1212
01:09:07,303 --> 01:09:10,438
♪ You have a story the world should hear ♪

1213
01:09:10,438 --> 01:09:12,700
♪ Don't hide your light ♪

1214
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:16,560
- And I have had that reaction
during the whole process

1215
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,830
but I don't know, there was
obviously something in me

1216
01:09:19,830 --> 01:09:21,530
that still needed to get that out.

1217
01:09:22,850 --> 01:09:25,800
- I think theatre can heal
people in a lot of ways.

1218
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,380
If you're seeing theatre, at
least you might be partially

1219
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:30,430
dealing with your emotions through that.

1220
01:09:31,306 --> 01:09:33,973
♪ There for you ♪

1221
01:09:34,857 --> 01:09:36,289
- Such a lady.
- I know.

1222
01:09:36,289 --> 01:09:40,372
I mean, just--
♪ You're not alone ♪

1223
01:09:41,774 --> 01:09:44,941
(gentle guitar music)

1224
01:09:49,973 --> 01:09:51,730
-  A lot of people can
be really, really devastated

1225
01:09:51,730 --> 01:09:54,883
when a show closes and
you can feel kinda lost.

1226
01:09:56,010 --> 01:09:58,750
- Towards the end of the
run, I was blacklisted

1227
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:59,583
from the show.

1228
01:09:59,583 --> 01:10:01,110
They were supposed to be giving out

1229
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:02,907
the best seats in the house to the fans,

1230
01:10:02,907 --> 01:10:05,000
but the box office started giving out

1231
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,480
the front row centre
tickets which were earmarked

1232
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:09,630
for the fans, they started seating people

1233
01:10:09,630 --> 01:10:11,280
wherever they wanted to seat them.

1234
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,510
For one of those times I ended
up with this crap ticket,

1235
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:16,310
I'll call it crap, and
I went to the box office

1236
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:17,143
to complain about it.

1237
01:10:17,143 --> 01:10:18,160
I'm like, what are you guys doing?

1238
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,840
This isn't where I'm supposed to be.

1239
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:21,850
And they were like, "Well,
that's where you're gonna be."

1240
01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,580
And I was like, "Well, then
give me my money back."

1241
01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:25,147
So the house manager
came out and she's like,

1242
01:10:25,147 --> 01:10:26,837
"There's a simple solution,
give him his money back

1243
01:10:26,837 --> 01:10:29,560
"and he just can't come
to see the show anymore."

1244
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,713
Like, I saw the original cast 100 times,

1245
01:10:32,580 --> 01:10:35,790
the final performance of
the show isn't gonna compare

1246
01:10:35,790 --> 01:10:38,250
to having sat there with the original cast

1247
01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:40,300
the night before opening night.

1248
01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:41,800
So that was the end of my run.

1249
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:47,160
It happened to be my 1169th time.

1250
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:48,970
And I was comfortable with that number,

1251
01:10:48,970 --> 01:10:50,750
and so I was happy to
retire at that point,

1252
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:53,020
because really in my heart
I knew I wasn't gonna get

1253
01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:54,930
into that final performance anyway.

1254
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:56,960
- It's a hard break up with
any show that you love.

1255
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,200
- It's sort of like dating someone

1256
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,527
you're not ready to move on yet,

1257
01:10:59,527 --> 01:11:02,130
and you don't wanna have a
rebound boyfriend or girlfriend.

1258
01:11:02,130 --> 01:11:04,010
- You fall in love with a given show

1259
01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:06,700
because it it speaks to you at that point

1260
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:07,750
in your life.

1261
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:11,490
It's so rare to find something
to be passionate about.

1262
01:11:11,490 --> 01:11:14,640
Whatever it is, whether it's
theatre or something else,

1263
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,530
that if you find something
that you're passionate about,

1264
01:11:16,530 --> 01:11:19,730
that you enjoy and you're
not hurting anybody else,

1265
01:11:19,730 --> 01:11:21,640
then you should kind of pursue that

1266
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,200
because you're lucky to
have that in your life

1267
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,630
even if other people think that maybe

1268
01:11:25,630 --> 01:11:26,750
you should be doing something else.

1269
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:28,830
It's your time, it's your energy,

1270
01:11:28,830 --> 01:11:30,730
it's your money and your resources.

1271
01:11:30,730 --> 01:11:34,040
And if you choose to direct
those things in a certain way

1272
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,190
because it makes you happy and nobody else

1273
01:11:36,190 --> 01:11:38,930
is being hurt by it, then I think that

1274
01:11:38,930 --> 01:11:40,500
you'd be foolish not to.

1275
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:42,760
The musical billed as "Now and Forever"

1276
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,737
is about to see its final curtain call.

1277
01:11:44,737 --> 01:11:48,210
"Cats" ends the longest run
ever on Broadway this evening,

1278
01:11:48,210 --> 01:11:51,210
18 years of meowing and scratching.

1279
01:11:51,210 --> 01:11:55,169
Some people scorned it,
but many simply adored it.

1280
01:11:55,169 --> 01:11:57,586
(soft music)

1281
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,410
- I was there at the gala
night when the show closed.

1282
01:12:03,410 --> 01:12:04,980
The atmosphere was amazing.

1283
01:12:04,980 --> 01:12:07,250
It was just like everybody was so jazzed

1284
01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:08,800
and they were all pumped
but everybody was sad

1285
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:09,683
at the same time.

1286
01:12:12,420 --> 01:12:15,550
Well, these are my
photographs from the balcony.

1287
01:12:15,550 --> 01:12:16,790
It was really, really great.

1288
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:19,160
It was so emotional and just really,

1289
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,580
really great to see
Andrew Lloyd Webber there

1290
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:21,550
with all the Cats and everything.

1291
01:12:21,550 --> 01:12:23,550
I was like, "Oh, God, you're so awesome."

1292
01:12:23,550 --> 01:12:26,460
And at the end, it's
just everybody was like

1293
01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:28,960
the confetti coming
down and we were crying,

1294
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,950
it was like another dry in the house.

1295
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:32,313
Everybody was really sad.

1296
01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:37,320
I don't know why I would
resonate so much with it,

1297
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,510
with the show.

1298
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:41,010
It's just been such a part
of my life for so long.

1299
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,980
I think it just goes back to
me being 12 years old again

1300
01:12:46,980 --> 01:12:47,813
in my room.

1301
01:12:50,170 --> 01:12:52,653
The music affected me so, so much,

1302
01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:57,200
and it just led to this
entire journey that I'm on.

1303
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,770
Yeah, just fate I guess.

1304
01:13:01,770 --> 01:13:04,800
- One day this theatre will close.

1305
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,883
It will be closed and
what about my dream then?

1306
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:14,250
You have to build new dreams

1307
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:19,250
or dream of a little bit smaller things.

1308
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:26,120
Rusty told me in that
musical not to give up,

1309
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:29,583
to find the right way, the
way that is right for me.

1310
01:13:34,260 --> 01:13:38,550
I learned to accept there's
something between nothing

1311
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:40,130
and being a star.

1312
01:13:40,130 --> 01:13:44,320
It's being a human, it's being a woman,

1313
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,443
it's being a mother.

1314
01:13:46,660 --> 01:13:51,203
As a child you want your
parents to love you.

1315
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:58,840
Ask yourself if you accept
that your child is what it is.

1316
01:14:01,513 --> 01:14:05,120
Show your child that
you accept each other.

1317
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,613
That is the most important thing.

1318
01:14:10,331 --> 01:14:15,180
We were three persons and since
two years we are two persons

1319
01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:16,013
in this house.

1320
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:24,100
But it happens that I take

1321
01:14:24,930 --> 01:14:29,353
three plates and then I
think oh no, we are two.

1322
01:14:30,417 --> 01:14:32,207
We are two now.

1323
01:14:32,207 --> 01:14:34,790
(gentle music)

1324
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:45,700
It's December and we are
driving to the year-end show

1325
01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:49,493
of The Musical Arts Academy in Mainz,

1326
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,670
and that because our daughter Mignon

1327
01:14:53,670 --> 01:14:55,710
is studying their musical

1328
01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:58,163
since the last two and a half years,

1329
01:14:58,163 --> 01:15:00,620
and we are very proud of it.

1330
01:15:00,620 --> 01:15:04,100
And I'm very excited to
see the show this year.

1331
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,293
I would never let it happen to Mignon,

1332
01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:15,163
not to be there for her dreams.

1333
01:15:18,010 --> 01:15:21,020
I learned that it was not important for me

1334
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:25,000
being the one on stage,
being the one in the middle.

1335
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:29,230
Watching her living her
dreams, getting somewhere

1336
01:15:29,230 --> 01:15:31,073
makes me also proud of me.

1337
01:15:32,290 --> 01:15:33,223
Makes me love me.

1338
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:38,907
Like you plant a tree.

1339
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,830
I have to give her the earth
and I can give her water

1340
01:15:44,830 --> 01:15:47,403
but she has to grow herself.

1341
01:15:49,530 --> 01:15:52,890
She has to look out
where the sun is shining.

1342
01:15:56,070 --> 01:16:01,070
Somebody asked me once if
when I see Mignon on the stage

1343
01:16:02,660 --> 01:16:07,660
if she's only a reincarnation
of my dead dreams.

1344
01:16:14,316 --> 01:16:15,466
Good question (laughs).

1345
01:16:17,037 --> 01:16:19,816
But I don't feel it, I
don't feel like that.

1346
01:16:19,816 --> 01:16:20,653
If I see her on the stage, I don't see me.

1347
01:16:26,085 --> 01:16:27,418
-  Mignon.

1348
01:16:29,908 --> 01:16:30,991
- Hello!
- Hi!

1349
01:16:32,115 --> 01:16:36,144
(speaks in foreign language)

1350
01:16:36,144 --> 01:16:38,894
(Mignon giggles)

1351
01:16:42,890 --> 01:16:44,216
- She's my daughter.

1352
01:16:44,216 --> 01:16:45,049
She's my flesh and blood.

1353
01:16:45,049 --> 01:16:47,580
She's my love, she's my everything.

1354
01:16:48,477 --> 01:16:52,503
And she's the one who
takes me to grave one day.

1355
01:16:55,604 --> 01:16:58,140
And if she's sending me on my grave

1356
01:16:58,140 --> 01:16:59,593
and is crying and missing me,

1357
01:17:00,729 --> 01:17:03,062
then I did everything right.

1358
01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:27,320
- People probably make an
assumption of these super fans

1359
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,710
that they have no life,

1360
01:17:28,710 --> 01:17:30,530
that they're kind of losers.

1361
01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:32,790
They're at the fringes of society.

1362
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:36,280
They don't appreciate
their really innately

1363
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,653
wonderful qualities, wonderful.

1364
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,620
They gravitate to a world
that disconnects them

1365
01:17:45,620 --> 01:17:48,010
from the real world, and we all need that.

1366
01:17:48,010 --> 01:17:50,260
We all need it.

1367
01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:52,891
We just don't give it to ourselves enough.

1368
01:17:52,891 --> 01:17:55,330
(bright music)

1369
01:17:55,330 --> 01:17:57,790
We screw everything up
by thinking about it.

1370
01:17:57,790 --> 01:18:00,270
If we just followed our
passion kind of blindly

1371
01:18:00,270 --> 01:18:02,573
as these people do,
everything would be fine.

1372
01:18:05,670 --> 01:18:08,350
There's an innocence to fans.

1373
01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:10,200
And I bet you've discovered
in talking to them.

1374
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,670
There's a sweetness and an innocence

1375
01:18:12,670 --> 01:18:15,162
that is enviable

1376
01:18:15,162 --> 01:18:18,115
down right enviable.

1377
01:18:18,115 --> 01:18:21,394
♪ Feel the rain that's comin' down ♪

1378
01:18:21,394 --> 01:18:25,074
♪ Falling like tears on a stony ground ♪

1379
01:18:25,074 --> 01:18:28,745
♪ Thunder clouds rise overhead ♪

1380
01:18:28,745 --> 01:18:33,078
♪ Raw emotions messin' with my head ♪

1381
01:18:39,366 --> 01:18:42,826
♪ Songs of summer far away ♪

1382
01:18:42,826 --> 01:18:46,997
♪ Distant mem'ries fade like yesterday ♪

1383
01:18:46,997 --> 01:18:50,250
♪ No one to set me free ♪

1384
01:18:50,250 --> 01:18:55,250
♪ No one here to bring you back to me ♪

1385
01:18:56,731 --> 01:19:00,749
♪ Oh ♪

1386
01:19:00,749 --> 01:19:04,177
♪ But here we go and here we are ♪

1387
01:19:04,177 --> 01:19:07,775
♪ Here we stay inside our history ♪

1388
01:19:07,775 --> 01:19:11,117
♪ Fly the moon to the stars ♪

1389
01:19:11,117 --> 01:19:12,947
♪ Live your days ♪

1390
01:19:12,947 --> 01:19:15,497
♪ Set your spirits free ♪

1391
01:19:15,497 --> 01:19:18,222
♪ Here we go here we are ♪

1392
01:19:18,222 --> 01:19:21,952
♪ Here we stay inside our history ♪

1393
01:19:21,952 --> 01:19:25,381
♪ Fly the moon to the stars ♪

1394
01:19:25,381 --> 01:19:27,355
♪ Live your days ♪

1395
01:19:27,355 --> 01:19:32,355
♪ Set your spirit free ♪

1396
01:19:32,362 --> 01:19:34,112
♪ Oh ♪

1397
01:19:36,164 --> 01:19:39,831
(lively instrumental music)

1398
01:19:50,610 --> 01:19:53,859
♪ Here we go and here we are ♪

1399
01:19:53,859 --> 01:19:57,499
♪ Here we stay inside our history ♪

1400
01:19:57,499 --> 01:20:00,915
♪ Fly the moon to the stars ♪

1401
01:20:00,915 --> 01:20:02,644
♪ Live your days ♪

1402
01:20:02,644 --> 01:20:05,042
♪ Set your spirit free ♪

1403
01:20:05,042 --> 01:20:08,085
♪ Here we go here we are ♪

1404
01:20:08,085 --> 01:20:12,243
♪ Here we stay inside our history ♪

1405
01:20:12,243 --> 01:20:13,993
♪ Oh ♪

1406
01:20:15,995 --> 01:20:19,662
(lively instrumental music)