1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:29,290 --> 00:00:31,640 -Look at that elk. -He was really close. 4 00:00:31,683 --> 00:00:33,337 -Look at the elk. Look at the elk. 5 00:00:33,381 --> 00:00:36,166 -Shh, shh, shh. 6 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:40,779 -Yo, that's crazy. 7 00:00:40,823 --> 00:00:42,085 -Do you want to get out and look at him? 8 00:00:42,129 --> 00:00:43,869 -Yeah. 9 00:00:43,913 --> 00:00:48,309 ♪ 10 00:00:48,352 --> 00:00:49,658 -That's crazy. 11 00:00:49,701 --> 00:00:54,750 ♪ 12 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:57,318 -I'm finna walk with them. 13 00:00:57,361 --> 00:00:59,102 I'm a elk, too. 14 00:00:59,146 --> 00:01:06,675 ♪ 15 00:01:06,718 --> 00:01:10,026 -Brother, mountains! 16 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:11,506 You never seen something so breathtaking in your life. 17 00:01:11,549 --> 00:01:12,811 -Bro, look! 18 00:01:12,855 --> 00:01:14,117 Do you see the blue rays right there? 19 00:01:14,161 --> 00:01:15,640 -Yeah. 20 00:01:15,684 --> 00:01:17,338 -It looks like God coming up. 21 00:01:17,381 --> 00:01:22,908 ♪ 22 00:01:22,952 --> 00:01:27,957 ♪ 23 00:01:39,838 --> 00:01:42,145 -Wilderness Works, when I first heard of it, 24 00:01:42,189 --> 00:01:46,149 I thought it was a program where we just go like a, 25 00:01:46,193 --> 00:01:48,064 you know, like a Boy Scout-type thing. 26 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:51,198 I, like, skipped over the wilderness parts. 27 00:01:51,241 --> 00:01:53,809 -So where is the entrance going to be at? 28 00:01:53,852 --> 00:01:57,726 -Um... 29 00:01:57,769 --> 00:01:58,857 Man! 30 00:01:58,901 --> 00:02:00,598 I haven't even seen the outdoors. 31 00:02:00,642 --> 00:02:02,165 I just heard stories. 32 00:02:02,209 --> 00:02:03,949 But I believe that -- I'll admit -- 33 00:02:03,993 --> 00:02:05,864 I just wanted to see different places. 34 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:08,563 -You busted it. -[Groans] 35 00:02:08,606 --> 00:02:09,999 -These are the legs. 36 00:02:10,042 --> 00:02:12,654 The little knobby things are the legs, right? 37 00:02:12,697 --> 00:02:14,221 -Please help me. I'm about to break this chair. 38 00:02:14,264 --> 00:02:15,874 -Do you mind helping me out? 39 00:02:15,918 --> 00:02:17,398 -Most of the trips I've been on, 40 00:02:17,441 --> 00:02:21,010 we were in Georgia, or probably North Carolina, 41 00:02:21,053 --> 00:02:23,491 but never really went somewhere 42 00:02:23,534 --> 00:02:29,410 where it's just wilderness and wild, like Colorado. 43 00:02:29,453 --> 00:02:32,978 -This is one of our youngest groups to fly on a trip 44 00:02:33,022 --> 00:02:35,677 and go into a National Forest 45 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,680 and do real rugged outdoor living. 46 00:02:38,723 --> 00:02:39,898 They're a bit on the young side, 47 00:02:39,942 --> 00:02:44,512 but they learn a lot and they grow. 48 00:02:44,555 --> 00:02:47,254 What's the name of that movie, Dylan, that you told me about, 49 00:02:47,297 --> 00:02:49,386 with the people that put on all the weight. 50 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:50,735 They end up being on, like, these -- 51 00:02:50,779 --> 00:02:52,302 -"WALL-E." -Is it 'WALL-E"? 52 00:02:52,346 --> 00:02:55,914 -If you've seen that movie, so all they do is watch TV. 53 00:02:55,958 --> 00:02:58,613 They've got, like, food that just comes to their mouth. 54 00:02:58,656 --> 00:03:00,919 And they don't have to do any work. 55 00:03:00,963 --> 00:03:05,228 And they become softer and softer, to the point where, 56 00:03:05,272 --> 00:03:07,839 if you ask me, it's like they're dead. 57 00:03:07,883 --> 00:03:09,276 You understand what I'm saying? 58 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:11,887 And I'm thinking that a lot of us do that 59 00:03:11,930 --> 00:03:14,585 for 50 weeks out of the year. 60 00:03:14,629 --> 00:03:17,109 And we stop doing this. 61 00:03:17,153 --> 00:03:19,111 Outdoor living is living. 62 00:03:19,155 --> 00:03:22,027 And believe me, when you go home, when it's September, 63 00:03:22,071 --> 00:03:24,726 you will look back at this experience 64 00:03:24,769 --> 00:03:27,250 and you will have kind of a pain 65 00:03:27,294 --> 00:03:29,121 because you'll be looking back for it. 66 00:03:29,165 --> 00:03:31,080 You'll say, wow, that was cool. I really connected. 67 00:03:31,123 --> 00:03:37,695 ♪ 68 00:03:37,739 --> 00:03:39,262 -Cliff, you still in? 69 00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:42,134 -I was very fortunate as a young person. 70 00:03:42,178 --> 00:03:43,962 I was in an orphanage as a baby. 71 00:03:44,006 --> 00:03:48,663 And I was blessed with being adopted by good parents. 72 00:03:48,706 --> 00:03:51,579 And I grew up in Miami Beach, Florida. 73 00:03:51,622 --> 00:03:55,147 And my brother and I, we were canoeing in Biscayne Bay, 74 00:03:55,191 --> 00:03:56,975 and boating and sailing 75 00:03:57,019 --> 00:03:58,934 and swimming and going to the beach. 76 00:03:58,977 --> 00:04:02,198 We were definitely in the outdoors. 77 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:05,897 When I was in Mercer University in Macon, Georgia, 78 00:04:05,941 --> 00:04:08,160 we started to work with disadvantaged kids. 79 00:04:08,204 --> 00:04:11,599 And I began to appreciate how powerful outdoor 80 00:04:11,642 --> 00:04:14,210 living experiences would be for them. 81 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:17,387 And I realized that taking this to the next level, 82 00:04:17,431 --> 00:04:20,564 establishing a nonprofit, is where I needed to head. 83 00:04:20,608 --> 00:04:23,088 And that's what I've done. 84 00:04:23,132 --> 00:04:24,873 This is our first city camp of the year, 85 00:04:24,916 --> 00:04:26,744 so why don't we do this? 86 00:04:26,788 --> 00:04:29,094 Let's all say what our name is. 87 00:04:29,138 --> 00:04:31,749 You want to stand up and say your name? 88 00:04:31,793 --> 00:04:33,185 -My name is Jacob. 89 00:04:33,229 --> 00:04:34,970 -Oh, I like that name. That's a cool name. 90 00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:36,798 Where do you go to school? 91 00:04:36,841 --> 00:04:40,323 -Parkside. -Parkside! 92 00:04:40,367 --> 00:04:43,326 -First impression -- he was a stranger, really. 93 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:47,243 But he always was making jokes. 94 00:04:47,287 --> 00:04:49,332 -We got to do the special handshake, okay? 95 00:04:49,376 --> 00:04:51,203 Who's that back there? 96 00:04:51,247 --> 00:04:54,163 -I didn't know him at first, so I just called him "weird." 97 00:04:54,206 --> 00:04:56,034 -What is the name of this organization, Victor? 98 00:04:56,078 --> 00:04:57,732 -Wilderness Works. 99 00:04:57,775 --> 00:05:00,822 -Now, look at the forest. The green is the forest, right. 100 00:05:00,865 --> 00:05:02,824 Can wilderness work 101 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:05,696 if we're working our way towards extinction? 102 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:07,176 No. 103 00:05:07,219 --> 00:05:08,786 -When I first seeing him, 104 00:05:08,830 --> 00:05:11,963 I thought he was like this old, white, grumpy man. 105 00:05:12,007 --> 00:05:13,400 So I didn't know what to expect. 106 00:05:13,443 --> 00:05:16,533 -Outdoor living, it tends to be male-dominated 107 00:05:16,577 --> 00:05:18,405 and it tends to be Caucasian. 108 00:05:18,448 --> 00:05:22,365 So introducing these ideas to the children we serve, 109 00:05:22,409 --> 00:05:24,976 which are predominantly Black children, 110 00:05:25,020 --> 00:05:26,761 it's a tough thing to attempt. 111 00:05:26,804 --> 00:05:31,418 -How many people know where we're going next? 112 00:05:31,461 --> 00:05:33,245 -Ooh, ah, ah! Game room! 113 00:05:33,289 --> 00:05:36,248 -I can't hear you. -Game room! 114 00:05:36,292 --> 00:05:39,382 -I can't hear you. -Game room! 115 00:05:39,426 --> 00:05:41,471 -With me being there, I think it helps, 116 00:05:41,515 --> 00:05:45,214 because I am Black, I am a female, 117 00:05:45,257 --> 00:05:48,086 and I do come from the urban neighborhoods. 118 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:54,266 So I am very informed, very in tune with these kids. 119 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:55,920 Y'all just lost your turn. 120 00:05:55,964 --> 00:05:58,662 -Ebonie Martin is outstanding. 121 00:05:58,706 --> 00:06:02,100 The two of us work together very effectively. 122 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:05,147 -I don't look at him as the white savior. 123 00:06:05,190 --> 00:06:07,192 And I don't think he looks at it as, 124 00:06:07,236 --> 00:06:09,499 oh, I'm helping these Black kids out. 125 00:06:09,543 --> 00:06:13,416 But I'm helping these kids that, in any other situation, 126 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:14,896 couldn't afford the opportunity. 127 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:19,857 [Kids shouting indistinctly] 128 00:06:19,901 --> 00:06:22,599 -Let's go. 129 00:06:22,643 --> 00:06:24,819 -What we do at Wilderness Works here, 130 00:06:24,862 --> 00:06:26,473 we want you to have fun. 131 00:06:26,516 --> 00:06:30,259 But my job is to give you ideas. 132 00:06:30,302 --> 00:06:31,826 Do you understand me? 133 00:06:31,869 --> 00:06:33,088 So let me give you an example. 134 00:06:33,131 --> 00:06:36,134 How many people here can say 135 00:06:36,178 --> 00:06:39,442 I have a lot of absentee father in my life? 136 00:06:39,486 --> 00:06:41,792 Raise your hand. I know I can. 137 00:06:41,836 --> 00:06:44,882 It's a lot of people. 138 00:06:44,926 --> 00:06:47,537 -I think he can connect with us, because, you know, 139 00:06:47,581 --> 00:06:50,410 Bill also grew up as an orphan. 140 00:06:50,453 --> 00:06:52,542 And he didn't have his real parents in his life, 141 00:06:52,586 --> 00:06:55,763 so he couldn't have a real blood-on-blood connection. 142 00:06:55,806 --> 00:06:58,548 -I met Clifford when he was in fifth grade. 143 00:06:58,592 --> 00:07:04,336 His dad was in prison and his mom had a full-time job. 144 00:07:04,380 --> 00:07:06,904 He's got two sisters and a brother. 145 00:07:06,948 --> 00:07:09,124 He was like the man of the house, right. 146 00:07:09,167 --> 00:07:10,865 He's only in fifth grade. 147 00:07:10,908 --> 00:07:12,693 -We have parents that work two 148 00:07:12,736 --> 00:07:16,000 or three jobs just to struggle. 149 00:07:16,044 --> 00:07:18,742 It's a lot of things going on with the child 150 00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:21,615 as well as the family as a unit. 151 00:07:21,658 --> 00:07:26,750 -With Nick, for instance, he is grappling with depression. 152 00:07:26,794 --> 00:07:29,405 With Clifford, he had to grow up with a father 153 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:32,800 who was incarcerated during most of his childhood. 154 00:07:32,843 --> 00:07:36,673 Ahmani has experienced chronic homelessness, 155 00:07:36,717 --> 00:07:38,849 constant instability. 156 00:07:38,893 --> 00:07:42,026 ♪ 157 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:43,506 -Right now, I'm just concentrating 158 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:48,337 on really trying to work and get us somewhere to stay. 159 00:07:48,380 --> 00:07:51,688 You need your own room. Your sister needs her own room. 160 00:07:51,732 --> 00:07:54,169 And three bedrooms are not cheap here. 161 00:07:54,212 --> 00:07:56,127 -Yeah. 162 00:07:56,171 --> 00:08:00,349 -Literally, I've got to work a lot. 163 00:08:00,392 --> 00:08:02,264 -When I was around 4, 164 00:08:02,307 --> 00:08:04,788 it's when my dad first got arrested. 165 00:08:04,832 --> 00:08:07,443 And I think that's when it actually started 166 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,490 with all the chronic homelessness and stuff. 167 00:08:10,533 --> 00:08:13,971 ♪ 168 00:08:14,015 --> 00:08:17,322 Sometimes I'd stay in a hotel where it's, like, prostitutes 169 00:08:17,366 --> 00:08:19,847 and people selling drugs 170 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:24,025 and smoking weed and stuff like that. 171 00:08:24,068 --> 00:08:26,810 I've never really, like, lived on the street. 172 00:08:26,854 --> 00:08:31,554 I think it was because my mom, she'd always find a way, really. 173 00:08:31,598 --> 00:08:34,209 Even if it was just going to another shelter 174 00:08:34,252 --> 00:08:36,341 or another hotel. 175 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:39,257 -Do you remember, like, some of those rinky-dink 176 00:08:39,301 --> 00:08:42,739 hotels sometimes, like when I wasn't working? 177 00:08:42,783 --> 00:08:44,828 And we had to lug all our clothes around. 178 00:08:44,872 --> 00:08:46,482 And sometimes I say y'all, 179 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:48,266 we just gonna be here for a couple of days. 180 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:49,964 Let mama -- mama gonna figure it out 181 00:08:50,007 --> 00:08:52,183 and we're gonna move somewhere else. 182 00:08:52,227 --> 00:08:54,534 You know, I always tried to make sure, you know, 183 00:08:54,577 --> 00:08:57,275 we got something good to eat, or something like that. 184 00:08:57,319 --> 00:08:59,060 But a lot of hotels, I look back and think, 185 00:08:59,103 --> 00:09:03,586 wow, how could I allow us to stay in it, and with y'all. 186 00:09:03,630 --> 00:09:05,501 ♪ 187 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:08,504 -I was mad at myself 188 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:13,291 because I felt so ashamed of being homeless 189 00:09:13,335 --> 00:09:15,555 and living in shelters and stuff. 190 00:09:15,598 --> 00:09:19,080 I was ashamed that I didn't live in a house or an apartment. 191 00:09:19,123 --> 00:09:20,647 My mom didn't have a good job. 192 00:09:20,690 --> 00:09:22,605 She didn't get good money. 193 00:09:22,649 --> 00:09:27,871 ♪ 194 00:09:27,915 --> 00:09:30,613 I was staying at Nicholas House, another shelter. 195 00:09:30,657 --> 00:09:32,615 And there was a sign-up sheet 196 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:35,096 for something called Wilderness Works. 197 00:09:35,139 --> 00:09:37,228 So my mom had just put my name on the list. 198 00:09:37,272 --> 00:09:38,839 -And they was like, oh, we think your son would be 199 00:09:38,882 --> 00:09:40,623 a good candidate for it. 200 00:09:40,667 --> 00:09:43,278 And I met Bill. We sat down and talked. 201 00:09:43,321 --> 00:09:45,323 And the next weekend, I let you go. 202 00:09:45,367 --> 00:09:49,284 This was your first time ever going away from me, you know. 203 00:09:49,327 --> 00:09:51,939 And you've been going every weekend since. 204 00:09:51,982 --> 00:09:54,289 And that was, what, six years ago. 205 00:09:54,332 --> 00:09:55,812 -I remember how you used to pick me up. 206 00:09:55,856 --> 00:09:57,118 -You've been gone every weekend since. 207 00:09:57,161 --> 00:09:58,641 -Y'all used to pick me up. 208 00:09:58,685 --> 00:10:00,077 And I'd get mad because I was leaving. 209 00:10:00,121 --> 00:10:01,339 And I started crying. 210 00:10:01,383 --> 00:10:02,645 -You didn't want to leave the camp. 211 00:10:02,689 --> 00:10:04,473 -Mm-hmm. 212 00:10:04,516 --> 00:10:07,041 -So he was just having that much fun. 213 00:10:07,084 --> 00:10:10,348 I used to always say, 214 00:10:10,392 --> 00:10:11,959 Bill your -- your new white daddy. 215 00:10:12,002 --> 00:10:13,917 -You did say that. 216 00:10:13,961 --> 00:10:16,877 -You don't remember that? -Yeah, I do, I do. 217 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,662 -Ol' Bill, ha ha. 218 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:24,536 -I believe that Ahmani is in a period of processing. 219 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:30,281 By careful repetitive experiences and reassurance, 220 00:10:30,325 --> 00:10:35,373 we do think we may be countering this negative energy in his life 221 00:10:35,417 --> 00:10:38,376 so that he feels like he has value 222 00:10:38,420 --> 00:10:40,204 and that he is worthy, 223 00:10:40,248 --> 00:10:42,380 and that he can overcome this neglect 224 00:10:42,424 --> 00:10:44,513 that he's faced as a child. 225 00:10:44,556 --> 00:10:48,082 ♪ 226 00:10:48,125 --> 00:10:53,914 [Crickets chirping] 227 00:10:56,525 --> 00:11:05,577 ♪ 228 00:11:05,621 --> 00:11:07,754 -Kind of remind me of a red panda 229 00:11:07,797 --> 00:11:11,105 and a squirrel if they had a baby, 230 00:11:11,148 --> 00:11:15,370 but that would be kind of weird, both of them at the same time. 231 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:20,114 ♪ 232 00:11:20,157 --> 00:11:23,552 -[Speaks indistinctly] 233 00:11:23,595 --> 00:11:25,249 -I bet you won't stick your hand on it. 234 00:11:25,293 --> 00:11:27,774 -I bet you I won't. -I bet you will. 235 00:11:27,817 --> 00:11:29,558 -What if it just charge out the hole, like just -- 236 00:11:29,601 --> 00:11:32,213 -It's gonna catch Nohea. 237 00:11:32,256 --> 00:11:35,782 -I'll give you all my dinner food if you go do it. 238 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:37,435 I got two bags of mashed potatoes. 239 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:40,438 -Well, let me get a bag. 240 00:11:40,482 --> 00:11:42,136 I made a bet with Nohea. 241 00:11:42,179 --> 00:11:43,659 Because Nohea said, if you stick your hand in there, 242 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:46,444 he would give me half of his dinner. 243 00:11:46,488 --> 00:11:49,839 So I stick my whole entire hand in there. 244 00:11:49,883 --> 00:11:51,798 I hear something, like, sniffling on my hand. 245 00:11:51,841 --> 00:11:54,017 And I pull it back. I was like, dang. 246 00:11:54,061 --> 00:11:56,672 He let me have his mashed potatoes with the chicken. 247 00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:59,980 That's a combo. You know how good that was? 248 00:12:00,023 --> 00:12:06,856 ♪ 249 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,860 -In this particular trip, initially we're acclimatizing 250 00:12:10,904 --> 00:12:13,645 for some high altitude backpacking. 251 00:12:13,689 --> 00:12:17,388 So we spent about four days in Rocky Mountain National Park, 252 00:12:17,432 --> 00:12:22,002 as we anticipate going on to the Snowmass Wilderness 253 00:12:22,045 --> 00:12:24,656 outside of Aspen, where we are going to be 254 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:30,097 climbing over 12,000 foot peaks repeatedly. 255 00:12:30,140 --> 00:12:32,795 -Bro, we in Jurassic Park right now. 256 00:12:32,839 --> 00:12:35,798 -Whoa! 257 00:12:35,842 --> 00:12:37,539 -Oh, they getting on the trail. 258 00:12:37,582 --> 00:12:39,497 -Now, that's gonna scare the shit out of somebody. 259 00:12:39,541 --> 00:12:41,586 -They finna have a heart attack and a stroke. 260 00:12:41,630 --> 00:12:50,030 ♪ 261 00:12:50,073 --> 00:12:51,814 -How ya doin'? 262 00:12:51,858 --> 00:12:54,077 -All you gotta do is just start with your feet. 263 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:56,514 -The first time I ever saw snow was, like, 264 00:12:56,558 --> 00:12:59,039 probably that one time it snowed in Atlanta. 265 00:12:59,082 --> 00:13:00,997 But that was my second time seeing snow. 266 00:13:01,041 --> 00:13:05,654 ♪ 267 00:13:09,701 --> 00:13:13,618 Well, what the heck, why is it so cold? 268 00:13:13,662 --> 00:13:16,099 Dumb ass. Dumb ass. 269 00:13:16,143 --> 00:13:21,670 [Indistinct conversations] 270 00:13:21,713 --> 00:13:24,934 -Are you feeling some altitude, maybe? 271 00:13:24,978 --> 00:13:28,851 What happened? Are you not sleeping as good? 272 00:13:28,895 --> 00:13:30,461 Let me ask you a question. 273 00:13:30,505 --> 00:13:33,334 Do you seem very energized right now? 274 00:13:33,377 --> 00:13:35,336 -Kind of. -No, you don't. 275 00:13:35,379 --> 00:13:38,165 You seem tired. Even sad. 276 00:13:41,385 --> 00:13:42,691 -I don't know what be wrong with Nick. 277 00:13:42,734 --> 00:13:44,345 I don't know. 278 00:13:44,388 --> 00:13:46,782 But all of a sudden, like, he'll just distance himself. 279 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:49,089 You know, like, just get down, 280 00:13:49,132 --> 00:13:51,482 like he's thinking about something. 281 00:13:51,526 --> 00:13:53,571 -It's weird. 282 00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:56,923 I'll just be in my own world. 283 00:13:56,966 --> 00:13:59,534 I mean, I try to fit in sometimes. 284 00:13:59,577 --> 00:14:01,971 Like, I try to change my personality. 285 00:14:02,015 --> 00:14:04,582 But a part of me saying no, like, just be yourself. 286 00:14:04,626 --> 00:14:06,758 So I be myself sometimes 287 00:14:06,802 --> 00:14:08,543 -I think Nick, 288 00:14:08,586 --> 00:14:10,806 he likes being surrounded by people, 289 00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:15,419 except for when he's in his moods. 290 00:14:15,463 --> 00:14:16,899 I know he likes to be alone. 291 00:14:16,943 --> 00:14:22,600 ♪ 292 00:14:22,644 --> 00:14:24,341 -I'll separate myself from the group just to, 293 00:14:24,385 --> 00:14:27,040 like, connect with nature. 294 00:14:27,083 --> 00:14:28,911 Because I've never seen nothing like this in my life. 295 00:14:28,955 --> 00:14:32,915 ♪ 296 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:34,786 -Knock those balls out. There you go. 297 00:14:34,830 --> 00:14:38,007 -One moment I'll be happy. 298 00:14:38,051 --> 00:14:43,708 But then I think about one thing and my whole mood just change. 299 00:14:43,752 --> 00:14:45,449 Like, I'll get depressed. 300 00:14:45,493 --> 00:14:47,408 And then, people will be walking up to me. 301 00:14:47,451 --> 00:14:48,800 And I'll just, like, isolate myself. 302 00:14:48,844 --> 00:14:51,629 I'll be, like, I have, like, my own space. 303 00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:55,764 I'll be, like, leave me alone. 304 00:14:55,807 --> 00:14:57,940 When you was in the city, it don't stop. 305 00:14:57,984 --> 00:15:00,247 Like, school, school, school, school, school, 306 00:15:00,290 --> 00:15:02,684 weekend, weekends, work, work. 307 00:15:02,727 --> 00:15:05,643 And, like, extracurricular, like, basketball, 308 00:15:05,687 --> 00:15:07,210 after school program. 309 00:15:07,254 --> 00:15:09,212 I babysit my niece and nephews. 310 00:15:09,256 --> 00:15:12,041 It's like you're trapped in a bubble. 311 00:15:12,085 --> 00:15:14,000 I'm tired. 312 00:15:14,043 --> 00:15:18,221 -I'm concerned about you because we want you 313 00:15:18,265 --> 00:15:21,616 to grow into someone 314 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:24,358 that is excited to be who you are. 315 00:15:24,401 --> 00:15:26,273 You have to learn who you are. 316 00:15:26,316 --> 00:15:29,015 What do I like? What do I not like? 317 00:15:29,058 --> 00:15:33,845 And it's challenging to develop your own identity. 318 00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:36,936 But I see that you're under pressure. 319 00:15:36,979 --> 00:15:40,156 How often do you feel like you're dealing with sadness? 320 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,899 -Not every day, but it's like, 321 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:45,640 majority of times. 322 00:15:45,683 --> 00:15:47,685 -What do you think you're sad about? 323 00:15:47,729 --> 00:15:50,253 -I don't even know. It can be about multiple things. 324 00:15:50,297 --> 00:15:53,474 It can be about family related, anything. 325 00:15:53,517 --> 00:15:54,997 -You're not sure where they're coming from, 326 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:57,304 but you do feel them. -Yeah. 327 00:15:57,347 --> 00:15:59,523 -And other times you feel really good. 328 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:02,396 -Yeah. -And we all go through this. 329 00:16:02,439 --> 00:16:04,006 You're not the only one. 330 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:07,662 And you know that you have us to talk to, right? 331 00:16:07,705 --> 00:16:09,620 Miss Ebonie is always there. You know I'm always here. 332 00:16:09,664 --> 00:16:11,187 Any time you want to talk, 333 00:16:11,231 --> 00:16:13,450 you know that we're here to talk to, correct? 334 00:16:13,494 --> 00:16:15,452 -Yeah. 335 00:16:15,496 --> 00:16:24,592 ♪ 336 00:16:24,635 --> 00:16:34,036 ♪ 337 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,820 ♪ 338 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:38,954 -Home sweet home. Yes. 339 00:16:38,998 --> 00:16:40,956 -We have got work to do. 340 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,089 We're going to have to get our backpacks out. 341 00:16:43,132 --> 00:16:46,701 We've got to think five nights, six days. 342 00:16:46,744 --> 00:16:49,921 ♪ 343 00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:52,620 -Oatmeal. 344 00:16:52,663 --> 00:16:56,537 -Why did I buy this? 345 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:57,842 -I got too much dry food, bruh. 346 00:16:57,886 --> 00:16:59,366 -I don't know why you put it in order 347 00:16:59,409 --> 00:17:01,716 if you gonna stuff it back in the stuff sack. 348 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:03,065 -Just checking. 349 00:17:03,109 --> 00:17:04,893 -It's going to go back out of order. 350 00:17:04,936 --> 00:17:07,765 ♪ 351 00:17:15,121 --> 00:17:17,558 -Open the door, please. 352 00:17:17,601 --> 00:17:19,734 That's how you do it. 353 00:17:19,777 --> 00:17:21,736 -You're welcome, you're welcome. 354 00:17:21,779 --> 00:17:25,609 -You're welcome. You're welcome. 355 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:32,486 -Now, let's go to an interesting conversation. 356 00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:34,792 Tomorrow is Father's Day. 357 00:17:34,836 --> 00:17:37,012 And part of my job, actually, at Wilderness Works 358 00:17:37,056 --> 00:17:39,971 is to combat fatherlessness. 359 00:17:40,015 --> 00:17:43,584 You know, when I was a kid, I was very lucky 360 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:45,977 because I had Pat and Ed Mickler. 361 00:17:46,021 --> 00:17:48,284 When they were having trouble having children, 362 00:17:48,328 --> 00:17:50,156 they went to an orphanage 363 00:17:50,199 --> 00:17:54,638 and adopted me in 1958. 364 00:17:54,682 --> 00:17:55,987 But they are not my parents. 365 00:17:56,031 --> 00:17:59,817 And I never knew my father or my mother, right. 366 00:17:59,861 --> 00:18:03,038 Ahmani, eight years without a father, okay. 367 00:18:03,082 --> 00:18:04,648 You go and visit him at prison. 368 00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:06,607 And then he calls you on the phone. He calls me. 369 00:18:06,650 --> 00:18:08,609 And he sends letters, right? 370 00:18:08,652 --> 00:18:11,002 What does that mean to you? 371 00:18:11,046 --> 00:18:12,830 -Like, because he does all that stuff, 372 00:18:12,874 --> 00:18:14,528 and I get to see him, 373 00:18:14,571 --> 00:18:18,184 it's almost like he has been there even though he hasn't. 374 00:18:18,227 --> 00:18:21,012 It's like he's trying to do his best as a father 375 00:18:21,056 --> 00:18:23,058 even though he's incarcerated. 376 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:26,844 -My dad is on parole, but he has a really strict officer. 377 00:18:26,888 --> 00:18:30,065 And it's weird because they treat him 378 00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:31,632 like he's still a prisoner. 379 00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:34,069 Like, he can't see me or anything. 380 00:18:34,113 --> 00:18:37,768 He has to have, like, someone supervising him, 381 00:18:37,812 --> 00:18:39,030 like he can't be trusted at all, 382 00:18:39,074 --> 00:18:42,164 like he still is kind of in jail. 383 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:44,079 -Where is your dad? 384 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:47,952 -My dad got shot at a hotel when I was 6. 385 00:18:47,996 --> 00:18:49,650 -So he was murdered. -Mm-hmm. 386 00:18:49,693 --> 00:18:53,871 -6 years old. Wow. 387 00:18:53,915 --> 00:18:58,615 So here you are, a guy who's trying to 388 00:18:58,659 --> 00:19:00,400 become a man. 389 00:19:00,443 --> 00:19:03,403 And you got nobody to show you the way. 390 00:19:03,446 --> 00:19:05,013 Let's talk about Clifford. 391 00:19:05,056 --> 00:19:07,842 Clifford is going back to be at a party 392 00:19:07,885 --> 00:19:11,802 to celebrate the release of his father from prison. 393 00:19:11,846 --> 00:19:13,108 For how many years? -Eight. 394 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:16,111 -So eight years of his life has had no dad. 395 00:19:16,155 --> 00:19:18,896 His mother struggled to raise four children. 396 00:19:18,940 --> 00:19:22,204 Are you excited to see your dad? -Yeah. 397 00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:24,032 -You probably miss him. -Yeah. 398 00:19:24,075 --> 00:19:27,470 -Do you look like him? -People say I do. 399 00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:28,906 -Is it difficult? 400 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:32,083 -Watching my mother trying to raise us is, 401 00:19:32,127 --> 00:19:34,608 without a father. 402 00:19:34,651 --> 00:19:36,610 -What time is it? 403 00:19:36,653 --> 00:19:42,050 Y'all better hurry up. 404 00:19:42,093 --> 00:19:47,708 It stink in this room. 405 00:19:47,751 --> 00:19:50,232 When y'all gonna clean the room up? 406 00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:51,886 Like, when? Clean this stuff up. 407 00:19:51,929 --> 00:19:56,151 You're not going to clean this mess up. 408 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:58,893 -I didn't see a good neighborhood till I was, 409 00:19:58,936 --> 00:20:01,200 maybe, seventh grade, eighth grade. 410 00:20:01,243 --> 00:20:05,639 And it was just like a lot of fighting, gun violence, 411 00:20:05,682 --> 00:20:07,467 robbery, drug trafficking. 412 00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:09,512 And you know you don't want to be there. 413 00:20:09,556 --> 00:20:13,908 But that's all you ever seen. 414 00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:16,867 My dad, he would go to jail for like a year or two. 415 00:20:16,911 --> 00:20:18,521 Get out. 416 00:20:18,565 --> 00:20:21,916 He might stay out for, like, six, seven months, and go back. 417 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:24,266 And this time he might do a longer sentence 418 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:25,659 and then get out. 419 00:20:25,702 --> 00:20:26,921 Do another sentence. 420 00:20:26,964 --> 00:20:28,357 So it's, like, repetitive. 421 00:20:28,401 --> 00:20:31,273 So I don't really have that connection 422 00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:33,406 with my dad like that. 423 00:20:33,449 --> 00:20:37,932 -Clifford, as a child, he was just kind of like quiet. 424 00:20:37,975 --> 00:20:41,022 But I really don't see any traits from his father. 425 00:20:41,065 --> 00:20:43,677 I just see all of me, pretty much. 426 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,069 Y'all want some cereal? 427 00:20:45,113 --> 00:20:46,941 -I don't drink milk. 428 00:20:46,984 --> 00:20:49,726 -So why are you not drinking milk? 429 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:52,338 -It's not good for you. -Milk not good for you? 430 00:20:52,381 --> 00:20:54,992 Pizza not good for you. You still eat it. 431 00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:57,386 After Cliff's dad and I broke up, 432 00:20:57,430 --> 00:21:01,303 I met my three youngest kids' dad. 433 00:21:01,347 --> 00:21:02,957 But he's passed away now. 434 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,960 -He had a heart attack in the car. 435 00:21:06,003 --> 00:21:07,962 We were like this. 436 00:21:08,005 --> 00:21:09,703 And I, like, when he passed away, 437 00:21:09,746 --> 00:21:11,313 it was just like, 438 00:21:11,357 --> 00:21:13,184 I really ain't got nobody now, for real. 439 00:21:13,228 --> 00:21:15,230 Now we're really at rock bottom. 440 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:17,363 -So what did you buy for them to eat Saturday? 441 00:21:17,406 --> 00:21:19,365 -I got everybody a six-piece and fries 442 00:21:19,408 --> 00:21:21,584 and some rice. 443 00:21:21,628 --> 00:21:23,543 -Individual? -Yeah. 444 00:21:23,586 --> 00:21:25,327 -How much was it? 445 00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:28,722 -It was $28-something, total. 446 00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:30,201 -You should have just got a -- 447 00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:31,594 next time, you just get a family meal. 448 00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:34,380 Don't try to buy everybody individual meals. 449 00:21:34,423 --> 00:21:37,948 It's just me. It's just me. 450 00:21:37,992 --> 00:21:39,733 It's me all day long, nonstop. 451 00:21:39,776 --> 00:21:42,257 When anything happens 452 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:45,216 I have to be the one there to do everything. 453 00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:50,004 ♪ 454 00:21:50,047 --> 00:21:51,440 -I was at Parkside Elementary. 455 00:21:51,484 --> 00:21:52,833 I was in fifth grade. 456 00:21:52,876 --> 00:21:55,444 And Bill came to my school. 457 00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,664 I was like, hmm, maybe I should give it a try. 458 00:21:57,707 --> 00:22:00,971 So I gave Bill my mother's number. 459 00:22:01,015 --> 00:22:02,451 I did feel skeptical at first. 460 00:22:02,495 --> 00:22:04,801 I'm not going to even say I didn't, because it was like, 461 00:22:04,845 --> 00:22:09,197 who is this man that wants to just get these kids 462 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,287 and take them out of town or teach them things. 463 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:16,335 Who -- what is his motive? You know. 464 00:22:16,378 --> 00:22:19,425 -My first trip, when we went to Tybee Island, 465 00:22:19,468 --> 00:22:22,776 I was just like, yeah, I love this program. 466 00:22:22,819 --> 00:22:24,386 You know, you're a kid. 467 00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:26,606 You know, you're in a three-story house on a beach 468 00:22:26,649 --> 00:22:28,477 with positive people around you. 469 00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:31,001 You can talk to them. And you're playing and stuff. 470 00:22:31,045 --> 00:22:32,394 It was fun. 471 00:22:32,438 --> 00:22:34,657 -Clifford wanted to go. 472 00:22:34,701 --> 00:22:36,442 He was happy. 473 00:22:36,485 --> 00:22:40,010 And all the quietness that are I seen kind of like stopped. 474 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,845 -Wild nature, it's like a drug. 475 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:52,283 I don't smoke, so, basically, I call it my high. 476 00:22:52,327 --> 00:22:55,199 It just -- it just feels some type of way. 477 00:22:55,243 --> 00:22:57,463 I can't explain it. 478 00:22:57,506 --> 00:23:00,248 There's freedom and you don't feel none of the threats 479 00:23:00,291 --> 00:23:03,251 and the pressure that comes in the city, 480 00:23:03,294 --> 00:23:04,905 particularly in the hood. 481 00:23:04,948 --> 00:23:06,210 You don't feel none of that because you're out there, 482 00:23:06,254 --> 00:23:08,735 basically by yourself with the water 483 00:23:08,778 --> 00:23:10,911 and the mountains and things like that. 484 00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:14,697 And it's just a stress relief. 485 00:23:14,741 --> 00:23:16,525 -Clifford has been on many, 486 00:23:16,569 --> 00:23:19,702 many trips in remote wilderness across the United States. 487 00:23:19,746 --> 00:23:21,661 And the younger kids are looking up to him. 488 00:23:21,704 --> 00:23:24,838 So I'm very excited to see Cliff and his development, 489 00:23:24,881 --> 00:23:26,448 and the direction he's heading in. 490 00:23:26,492 --> 00:23:34,891 ♪ 491 00:23:34,935 --> 00:23:43,639 ♪ 492 00:23:43,683 --> 00:23:45,119 -We've got four passes to do. 493 00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:48,383 West Maroon Pass, Frigid Air Pass, 494 00:23:48,427 --> 00:23:50,951 Trail Rider Pass, and Buckskin Pass. 495 00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,084 This one is icy. We have to be very careful here. 496 00:23:54,128 --> 00:23:56,391 -A pass is like, almost like a U. 497 00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:58,654 And you climb up this mountain and you go through it, 498 00:23:58,698 --> 00:24:00,351 through the U. And then you go down. 499 00:24:00,395 --> 00:24:02,528 -A four pass loop is basically four mountains. 500 00:24:02,571 --> 00:24:05,487 It's going in a loop is basically what it means like. 501 00:24:05,531 --> 00:24:07,968 -Pack your trash. Bury all human waste. 502 00:24:08,011 --> 00:24:10,144 If we have to go to the number two, 503 00:24:10,187 --> 00:24:13,364 we have to dig a hole six inches deep. 504 00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:16,150 And make sure you fill up the hole, 505 00:24:16,193 --> 00:24:17,543 or whatever, when you're done. 506 00:24:17,586 --> 00:24:19,370 And cover it up, et cetera. 507 00:24:19,414 --> 00:24:21,503 Any questions? All right. Let go. 508 00:24:21,547 --> 00:24:23,505 -Let go. 509 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:33,297 ♪ 510 00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:42,959 ♪ 511 00:24:43,003 --> 00:24:44,570 ♪ 512 00:24:44,613 --> 00:24:46,223 -I love your socks, by the way. 513 00:24:46,267 --> 00:24:48,138 Your socks are spectacular. 514 00:24:48,182 --> 00:24:49,749 -Say no GAF. 515 00:24:49,792 --> 00:24:52,316 -I mean, no GAF, okay? 516 00:24:52,360 --> 00:25:01,500 ♪ 517 00:25:01,543 --> 00:25:05,460 ♪ 518 00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:14,774 -I know I feel it in my toes. 519 00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:18,386 -I do not take my shoes off when I cross the river, okay. 520 00:25:18,429 --> 00:25:21,563 I recommend you do the same. But your shoes will be wet. 521 00:25:21,607 --> 00:25:23,173 All right, here we go. 522 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,407 Cliff, I need your help. 523 00:25:56,337 --> 00:25:58,252 -Bill had me actually stand in the water 524 00:25:58,295 --> 00:25:59,906 to help him cross. 525 00:25:59,949 --> 00:26:01,472 And basically I was just like, if I fall in the water, 526 00:26:01,516 --> 00:26:02,822 I just fall in the water. 527 00:26:02,865 --> 00:26:04,388 I got to make sure they get across. 528 00:26:04,432 --> 00:26:06,477 Come on, bruh. -Ready, set, go. 529 00:26:06,521 --> 00:26:08,001 -Because, you know, I'm a mentor, right. 530 00:26:08,044 --> 00:26:13,136 Their safety matters more because they're younger. 531 00:26:13,180 --> 00:26:15,486 -Keep going, keep going, move, move. 532 00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:17,488 -Everybody got across safe. 533 00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:20,666 But when I got out of the water, I couldn't feel my legs. 534 00:26:20,709 --> 00:26:25,453 And they sting, like I got stung by a bee. 535 00:26:25,496 --> 00:26:27,281 -You all did a good job. 536 00:26:27,324 --> 00:26:30,240 By the way, if I were you, I would wipe off my face. 537 00:26:30,284 --> 00:26:32,373 That whole side of you is just -- 538 00:26:32,416 --> 00:26:35,898 you like somebody who just got out of war. 539 00:26:35,942 --> 00:26:38,858 -Yo, bro, low-key, that shit was fun, though. 540 00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:40,511 That was fun. 541 00:26:40,555 --> 00:26:42,905 -So this is where we are. 542 00:26:42,949 --> 00:26:47,910 So really, tomorrow we will probably do two 543 00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:50,652 and a half times what we did today. 544 00:26:50,696 --> 00:26:55,614 We'll have to get up early and make it happen. 545 00:26:55,657 --> 00:26:59,661 ♪ 546 00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:01,271 -Hold up, hold this, hold this. 547 00:27:01,315 --> 00:27:06,059 ♪ 548 00:27:06,102 --> 00:27:07,930 They all over the place. 549 00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:09,279 All over this campsite. It's crazy. 550 00:27:09,323 --> 00:27:11,542 -So they can't get me now? -Yep. 551 00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:13,457 -Our faces are safe. 552 00:27:13,501 --> 00:27:17,548 ♪ 553 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:20,682 -Turn that shit down, bro. All right, all right. 554 00:27:20,726 --> 00:27:23,380 -Okay. 555 00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:27,646 -I watched a long vid. -What the world? 556 00:27:27,689 --> 00:27:29,169 -I know it was something on the bottom of that. 557 00:27:29,212 --> 00:27:30,692 -No, buddy. 558 00:27:30,736 --> 00:27:33,129 Turn that junk off and then take it off. 559 00:27:33,173 --> 00:27:35,175 -We gonna blow up. Real talk. 560 00:27:35,218 --> 00:27:37,351 -This is black bear country. 561 00:27:37,394 --> 00:27:40,484 Absolutely no food in your tent, ever. 562 00:27:40,528 --> 00:27:42,791 ♪ 563 00:27:42,835 --> 00:27:45,272 -I'll trade you some Cheez-Its for some flavors. 564 00:27:45,315 --> 00:27:47,143 -Nah, I don't like Cheez-Its. 565 00:27:47,187 --> 00:27:49,015 -Show him, man! 566 00:27:49,058 --> 00:27:51,713 -All right, let me jump in. 567 00:27:51,757 --> 00:27:54,498 -[Laughs] 568 00:27:54,542 --> 00:27:56,544 -It's funny. It's banging, bro. 569 00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:59,242 -Is that even fair? See. 570 00:27:59,286 --> 00:28:01,331 -I don't know. You the one who traded with me. 571 00:28:01,375 --> 00:28:02,593 -Ohh. -It's called take backs. 572 00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:05,727 -Just try this. -No take backs. 573 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:07,294 -Everybody, we're gonna have a meeting. 574 00:28:07,337 --> 00:28:10,253 -Let's bag it all up. 575 00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:11,777 -Everybody's got a bag of food, right? 576 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:13,430 -Mm-hmm. 577 00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:14,780 -How many cannisters do we have 578 00:28:14,823 --> 00:28:16,999 that are actually have some room in them? 579 00:28:17,043 --> 00:28:19,654 We got three that I can see, right? 580 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:21,482 -We didn't realize that we didn't have enough 581 00:28:21,525 --> 00:28:23,571 bear cannisters, bear cannisters basically it help 582 00:28:23,614 --> 00:28:25,225 when a bear comes and try to get your food, 583 00:28:25,268 --> 00:28:27,749 they can smell it 'cause their nose are powerful. 584 00:28:27,793 --> 00:28:30,186 So when they come, try to get the food, 585 00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:31,797 they can't get into it. 586 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,363 -So here, you got these big bags of food. 587 00:28:33,407 --> 00:28:35,278 Let's talk about what can happen here. 588 00:28:35,322 --> 00:28:39,587 One, is if we're not able to secure the food, 589 00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:42,024 the bear can eat the food. 590 00:28:42,068 --> 00:28:47,769 Worst yet, somehow, it leads to bear interest in us 591 00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:53,253 and the tents and somebody gets bitten. 592 00:28:53,296 --> 00:28:55,472 Worse than that, there are stories of bears 593 00:28:55,516 --> 00:28:58,388 pulling people out of their tent. 594 00:28:58,432 --> 00:29:02,044 You guys didn't think about this over at the house, did you? 595 00:29:02,088 --> 00:29:03,785 This is serious. 596 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:05,395 -When I first started, 597 00:29:05,439 --> 00:29:07,397 Bill would talk about bears coming to get our food 598 00:29:07,441 --> 00:29:09,269 or they can go through the tent, 599 00:29:09,312 --> 00:29:11,445 they smell anything, they'll kill you for it. 600 00:29:11,488 --> 00:29:13,186 I thought it was like, oh, all right, 601 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:14,709 that's not gonna happen. 602 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:18,191 But about three years ago, we were in Wyoming, 603 00:29:18,234 --> 00:29:20,193 and I was in a tent. 604 00:29:20,236 --> 00:29:22,282 All of a sudden, I hear, bear! 605 00:29:22,325 --> 00:29:23,674 So I get up out the tent, I was going, like, 606 00:29:23,718 --> 00:29:25,459 oh, no, this not a dream. 607 00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:27,504 Look and it's like this brown grizzly bear 608 00:29:27,548 --> 00:29:32,031 like 30 feet away from us just circling the campsite. 609 00:29:32,074 --> 00:29:34,511 I didn't go to sleep probably 3:00 in the morning, paranoid. 610 00:29:34,555 --> 00:29:36,775 Since then, yeah, I knew, like, it's serious. 611 00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:40,343 Out of the stories I was hearing, it's serious out here. 612 00:29:40,387 --> 00:29:44,086 -Let me tell you what, as we keep progressing, 613 00:29:44,130 --> 00:29:48,090 we're going to get to a certain point which is the halfway point 614 00:29:48,134 --> 00:29:52,225 it's also the riskiest point because if something happened, 615 00:29:52,268 --> 00:29:55,315 we have all the way to go to come back. 616 00:29:55,358 --> 00:29:57,447 Do we want to have to quit the whole trip 617 00:29:57,491 --> 00:30:00,276 because we're making unwise decisions? 618 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,325 -Nope. 619 00:30:05,368 --> 00:30:07,762 -This all my food. 620 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:10,025 -Because we didn't have enough bear cannisters, 621 00:30:10,069 --> 00:30:12,288 we had to use the kevlar bag. 622 00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:14,508 -Remember, we've got to be able to untie it, too. 623 00:30:14,551 --> 00:30:16,684 Don't go too crazy. 624 00:30:16,727 --> 00:30:26,215 ♪ 625 00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:35,311 ♪ 626 00:30:35,355 --> 00:30:37,618 -I felt like I just zoned out. 627 00:30:37,661 --> 00:30:39,315 And, like, you're just taking it all in. 628 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,578 And you're connecting with the animals, 629 00:30:41,622 --> 00:30:46,279 like on some mind power trick, like, thing. 630 00:30:46,322 --> 00:30:51,066 ♪ 631 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:53,547 -All our food, you know, was safe, we was happy. 632 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:58,073 So we pack up, we ready to go. 633 00:30:58,117 --> 00:31:07,561 ♪ 634 00:31:07,604 --> 00:31:15,961 ♪ 635 00:31:16,004 --> 00:31:17,527 -I feel like the pass is going to go up to 636 00:31:17,571 --> 00:31:19,703 where those rocks are. 637 00:31:19,747 --> 00:31:22,141 Bill was talking about, if it was a day 638 00:31:22,184 --> 00:31:24,926 that we were going up a pass, that we needed to move fast 639 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:27,363 because if it was raining, you were up so high 640 00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:33,326 that you could actually be struck by lightning. 641 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:34,980 -The climbing was the hardest. 642 00:31:35,023 --> 00:31:36,633 And you'd look, and you see Bill, 643 00:31:36,677 --> 00:31:39,419 like, a thousand feet away, up in the air. 644 00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:42,813 He like a dot. And you're like, oh, my God. 645 00:31:42,857 --> 00:31:45,338 Crazy. 646 00:31:45,381 --> 00:31:47,993 -I can't breathe for nothing. 647 00:31:48,036 --> 00:31:50,952 The air is too thin. I can't breathe. 648 00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:55,130 I'm gonna faint. 649 00:31:55,174 --> 00:31:57,567 Where we going, though? 650 00:31:57,611 --> 00:32:01,615 -We all think it's food that fuels us. 651 00:32:01,658 --> 00:32:03,486 And it does, of course. 652 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:06,141 But oxygen fuels us. It's amazing. 653 00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:08,230 I feel like I'm going to faint. 654 00:32:08,274 --> 00:32:10,580 I feel dizzy, right? 655 00:32:10,624 --> 00:32:12,800 And then I just breathe slowly. 656 00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:15,977 I take about, maybe, 20 breaths. 657 00:32:16,021 --> 00:32:18,501 And slowly, I just come back to life. 658 00:32:18,545 --> 00:32:20,634 It's amazing. And I get like -- it's like fuel. 659 00:32:20,677 --> 00:32:24,812 It's crazy. All right, let's go. 660 00:32:31,688 --> 00:32:41,655 ♪ 661 00:32:41,698 --> 00:32:50,838 ♪ 662 00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:59,847 ♪ 663 00:32:59,890 --> 00:33:09,857 ♪ 664 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:19,171 ♪ 665 00:33:19,214 --> 00:33:21,956 ♪ 666 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,351 -Getting to the top, it was a lot to take in. 667 00:33:25,394 --> 00:33:29,311 Just seeing these high mountains and these trees, these valleys, 668 00:33:29,355 --> 00:33:31,226 and all this other stuff. 669 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:33,054 I felt like I was on top of the world. 670 00:33:33,098 --> 00:33:36,710 ♪ 671 00:33:36,753 --> 00:33:39,321 -Right up until that time, I didn't know whether our group 672 00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:42,933 could actually successfully cross these passes 673 00:33:42,977 --> 00:33:45,893 that are close to 13,000 feet. 674 00:33:45,936 --> 00:33:48,504 But I saw, once we did our first pass, 675 00:33:48,548 --> 00:33:50,115 that we were able to do so. 676 00:33:50,158 --> 00:33:53,335 And I was more confident about coming passes. 677 00:33:53,379 --> 00:33:54,989 -Y'all want to do the trail? 678 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:56,338 It's probably going to be a little bit longer. 679 00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:57,992 Or do y'all want to go down the snow, 680 00:33:58,036 --> 00:33:59,733 where we could just meet Bill most of the way? 681 00:33:59,776 --> 00:34:01,169 -Bro, I'm trying to slide. 682 00:34:01,213 --> 00:34:02,910 Real talk. -Y'all trying to slide? 683 00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:04,825 -Because if we -- -We have no other choice. 684 00:34:04,868 --> 00:34:06,348 -Y'all try to slide. -Let's do it. 685 00:34:06,392 --> 00:34:08,872 -Let's go, brah. -Down the snow. 686 00:34:08,916 --> 00:34:10,744 Real talk. We goin'. 687 00:34:10,787 --> 00:34:13,138 Oh, oh, we goin'. 688 00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:15,531 Oh, we goin'. 689 00:34:15,575 --> 00:34:20,710 -Whoo! 690 00:34:20,754 --> 00:34:23,322 -Oh, nah, I was not doing that. 691 00:34:23,365 --> 00:34:25,193 I was not going for that because, 692 00:34:25,237 --> 00:34:26,716 first of all, that's stupid. 693 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,849 Second of all, it's not intelligent. 694 00:34:28,892 --> 00:34:31,504 And third of all, you're getting your clothes wet 695 00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:34,507 and it's cold outside. 696 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:35,986 Come on now. 697 00:34:36,030 --> 00:34:38,076 I was the smartest out of the whole group. 698 00:34:42,645 --> 00:34:45,170 -When I get home, my mom finna cook me some white rice, 699 00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:48,564 some tofu, and some black beans. 700 00:34:48,608 --> 00:34:50,392 -Shut up, brah. 701 00:34:50,436 --> 00:34:53,003 -I'm gonna get -- nah, I'm gonna make some pancakes. 702 00:34:53,047 --> 00:34:55,310 -Chill out. I don't want to talk about food right now. 703 00:34:55,354 --> 00:34:57,182 -I'm gonna get -- I'm gonna really make it, too. 704 00:34:57,225 --> 00:34:58,879 I'm gonna put that shit on the pan. 705 00:34:58,922 --> 00:35:00,185 -Because if I start thinking about food, bro, 706 00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:01,969 I'm going to start thinking about trail mix. 707 00:35:02,012 --> 00:35:03,710 And that's all I have. 708 00:35:03,753 --> 00:35:05,581 Now I want pancakes. 709 00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:07,322 What the -- -Huh? 710 00:35:07,366 --> 00:35:08,541 -What? 711 00:35:08,584 --> 00:35:10,369 -A bee tried to sting me. 712 00:35:10,412 --> 00:35:12,022 -What? -What he do? 713 00:35:12,066 --> 00:35:13,459 -A bee tried to sting me. 714 00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:16,201 -He says bee was -- -No, it did not. 715 00:35:16,244 --> 00:35:17,854 -Yes, it did. 716 00:35:17,898 --> 00:35:20,030 -Bees do not just go out of their way to sting people. 717 00:35:20,074 --> 00:35:21,423 When they sting people -- 718 00:35:21,467 --> 00:35:23,208 -You must have aggravated him in some way. 719 00:35:23,251 --> 00:35:24,774 -All I heard was this buzzing sound, right. 720 00:35:24,818 --> 00:35:26,646 Then I looked to my right. 721 00:35:26,689 --> 00:35:29,823 I see, like, this thing, and its stinger is pointing towards me. 722 00:35:29,866 --> 00:35:31,216 I see his legs drop down. 723 00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:32,608 Then it's, like, freaking pointed towards me. 724 00:35:32,652 --> 00:35:34,044 Then it's coming. 725 00:35:34,088 --> 00:35:35,524 -You must have aggravated it or something. 726 00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:37,222 -Y'all never believe me. 727 00:35:37,265 --> 00:35:39,354 -Boy, you're smoking too much crack, boy. 728 00:35:39,398 --> 00:35:49,190 ♪ 729 00:35:49,234 --> 00:35:58,417 ♪ 730 00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:01,071 ♪ 731 00:36:01,115 --> 00:36:02,856 -Hey, we are not going -- 732 00:36:02,899 --> 00:36:07,861 we're going to have to go back if we don't find this shoe. 733 00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:09,906 Why are we taking out shoes off 734 00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:12,996 and walking around barefoot anyway? 735 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,696 We need to figure out where did Sean go? 736 00:36:16,739 --> 00:36:20,178 And go there. So just don't go aimlessly looking around. 737 00:36:20,221 --> 00:36:23,703 We have to find out from Sean where did he go? 738 00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:26,053 All right, let's keep looking. 739 00:36:28,795 --> 00:36:32,842 -We spent a good 20 minutes like looking for his shoe. 740 00:36:32,886 --> 00:36:35,715 It was under a log, but Bill's talking about some, 741 00:36:35,758 --> 00:36:38,108 if we do not find his shoe, we're going back. 742 00:36:38,152 --> 00:36:40,763 -What would have happened if we lost a shoe? 743 00:36:40,807 --> 00:36:42,504 -Obviously, we was not going back because he paid a lot 744 00:36:42,548 --> 00:36:43,940 of money for this trip. 745 00:36:43,984 --> 00:36:45,855 I appreciate him for that, but. 746 00:36:45,899 --> 00:36:49,816 We found the shoe, we just -- we kept on going on. 747 00:36:49,859 --> 00:36:59,608 ♪ 748 00:36:59,652 --> 00:37:08,704 ♪ 749 00:37:08,748 --> 00:37:18,061 ♪ 750 00:37:18,105 --> 00:37:22,196 ♪ 751 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,286 -Oh, my legs are burning. I cannot feel my legs. 752 00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,462 Oh, oh. 753 00:37:27,506 --> 00:37:31,553 It was cold. My socks was wet. 754 00:37:31,597 --> 00:37:32,989 I didn't have the right food. 755 00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:35,470 I had a whole bunch of Clif bars. 756 00:37:35,514 --> 00:37:37,559 Let me get some Snickers, man. 757 00:37:37,603 --> 00:37:38,908 It was tough. 758 00:37:38,952 --> 00:37:48,178 ♪ 759 00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:57,100 ♪ 760 00:37:57,144 --> 00:37:59,320 ♪ 761 00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:03,324 -We have to go over that pass. 762 00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:04,978 You see that -- -Oh. 763 00:38:05,021 --> 00:38:07,981 -It looks like a golf course up there. 764 00:38:08,024 --> 00:38:11,027 -Passing one pass is tough already. 765 00:38:11,071 --> 00:38:14,814 So when you got to go over two of them? 766 00:38:14,857 --> 00:38:17,033 No. [Scoffs] 767 00:38:17,077 --> 00:38:18,731 -Dang, we got to do two passes today. 768 00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:21,821 -Know what I mean, right? 769 00:38:21,864 --> 00:38:23,736 -Oh, this is tough. 770 00:38:23,779 --> 00:38:25,955 -No. 771 00:38:25,999 --> 00:38:28,349 -Is backpacking easy? 772 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:29,829 -No. 773 00:38:29,872 --> 00:38:31,265 -This is a whole different kind of world. 774 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,833 This is a hard world, right? 775 00:38:33,876 --> 00:38:37,402 And I think most of the people I know are too soft. 776 00:38:37,445 --> 00:38:40,143 This is not their element. 777 00:38:40,187 --> 00:38:41,623 This is my element. 778 00:38:41,667 --> 00:38:47,020 I guess one question is, is this your element? 779 00:38:47,063 --> 00:38:49,239 Nick, what is your element? 780 00:38:49,283 --> 00:38:51,198 -To be honest, I don't know. 781 00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:52,939 -You might be too young to know, right? 782 00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:54,810 And too inexperienced. 783 00:38:54,854 --> 00:38:57,291 What do you think, Ahmani? 784 00:38:57,335 --> 00:39:00,294 -Honestly, I don't really know if this is my element. 785 00:39:00,338 --> 00:39:04,559 I mean, I do like being outside and all. 786 00:39:04,603 --> 00:39:10,130 But I don't really know if this is -- 787 00:39:10,173 --> 00:39:12,698 -If you had an alternative, would you pick the alternative 788 00:39:12,741 --> 00:39:15,135 or would you try to come to a place like this? 789 00:39:18,443 --> 00:39:21,141 -I would probably pick the alternative. 790 00:39:21,184 --> 00:39:24,449 -So you probably would not come here? 791 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:28,278 I don't want you to come back unless you want to. 792 00:39:28,322 --> 00:39:30,933 And with Ahmani, I think Ahmani is hinting 793 00:39:30,977 --> 00:39:33,588 that he really doesn't want to. 794 00:39:33,632 --> 00:39:37,026 So it's not for everybody. It's something to think about. 795 00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:42,205 But I do hope somebody here would like to come back, 796 00:39:42,249 --> 00:39:43,946 either here or wherever we go. 797 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:46,340 But you know you'll have to be tough. 798 00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:48,429 All right, let's go. 799 00:39:48,473 --> 00:39:58,221 ♪ 800 00:39:58,265 --> 00:40:08,101 ♪ 801 00:40:08,144 --> 00:40:10,103 -I've never seen nothing like this before. 802 00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:14,890 -Yeah. You can't get it all in one view. 803 00:40:14,934 --> 00:40:17,676 -It's like the snake. -Yeah, Snake River. 804 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:27,120 ♪ 805 00:40:27,163 --> 00:40:36,564 ♪ 806 00:40:36,608 --> 00:40:39,524 -Listen, you gotta be sure you're ready to go, correct? 807 00:40:39,567 --> 00:40:40,916 -Yes. -Good. 808 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,878 ♪ 809 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:51,536 -If I slip, I'm just gonna slide down. 810 00:40:51,579 --> 00:40:54,408 -Bruh. 811 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:58,412 -Oh, it's, like, it's so much snow over there. 812 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:03,199 -Eh. I can't do this. 813 00:41:03,243 --> 00:41:07,987 Oh, I know my trick again. Hell naw. 814 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:13,732 -If that works, yo, do it. 815 00:41:13,775 --> 00:41:15,168 -Once we had got down the pass 816 00:41:15,211 --> 00:41:17,213 and were almost at the campsite, 817 00:41:17,257 --> 00:41:19,302 the trail had went covered by snow. 818 00:41:19,346 --> 00:41:23,306 And I remember I was right behind Bill. 819 00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:26,527 And it was, like, scary. 820 00:41:31,576 --> 00:41:34,535 -It's like a steep hill of snow, almost straight. 821 00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:36,450 -One wrong step and you could just go 822 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:41,586 tumbling down the hill or straight into the lake. 823 00:41:41,629 --> 00:41:44,240 -Hey, bro, I'm going down. 824 00:41:44,284 --> 00:41:45,938 Who was you telling? -Bullshit, boy. 825 00:41:45,981 --> 00:41:48,244 -What? -Walk this way. 826 00:41:48,288 --> 00:41:50,246 Walk this way. -I'm gonna die. 827 00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:52,161 I'm gonna die. -Chill out. 828 00:41:52,205 --> 00:41:53,728 -I don't know how I'm going to do this. 829 00:41:53,772 --> 00:41:56,557 -I mean, you're not going to die. 830 00:41:56,601 --> 00:42:04,260 ♪ 831 00:42:04,304 --> 00:42:06,088 -We're crossing it one-by-one. 832 00:42:06,132 --> 00:42:09,048 So you have to put one foot in front of the other, stay low, 833 00:42:09,091 --> 00:42:11,790 and don't look down. 834 00:42:11,833 --> 00:42:13,966 And everybody's safety's in hand. 835 00:42:14,009 --> 00:42:22,583 ♪ 836 00:42:22,627 --> 00:42:25,847 -Go to your right a little bit. 837 00:42:25,891 --> 00:42:30,243 Go to your right. 838 00:42:30,286 --> 00:42:33,463 -I think Sean realized that his life was at stake. 839 00:42:33,507 --> 00:42:35,074 -I think he looked down and he was like, 840 00:42:35,117 --> 00:42:37,380 I'm not going no further. 841 00:42:37,424 --> 00:42:39,426 -Sean, can you come down a little bit, 842 00:42:39,469 --> 00:42:45,084 and go over that way? 843 00:42:45,127 --> 00:42:47,695 -The snow looks easier. 844 00:42:47,739 --> 00:42:50,089 -Then he got so scared that, like, 845 00:42:50,132 --> 00:42:54,528 he couldn't move no more and he just stopped. 846 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:56,269 -The snow is better. 847 00:42:56,312 --> 00:43:00,969 ♪ 848 00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:02,841 -All right, listen. 849 00:43:02,884 --> 00:43:04,886 You were hesitant about crossing, correct? 850 00:43:04,930 --> 00:43:07,280 -Mm-hmm. -Okay. 851 00:43:07,323 --> 00:43:10,283 If I'm with you, can you follow me? 852 00:43:10,326 --> 00:43:11,676 -Yeah. 853 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,505 -Now this has to be an absolute yes. 854 00:43:15,549 --> 00:43:18,900 -Yes. -Okay. 855 00:43:18,944 --> 00:43:20,510 Okay, what you want to do 856 00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:23,078 is lean into the mountain, the snow side, right. 857 00:43:23,122 --> 00:43:25,646 -Mm-hmm. -Do you understand? 858 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:27,561 And you put your foot in the foot steps 859 00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:29,650 that are there already made. 860 00:43:29,694 --> 00:43:31,478 And you just look at the footsteps only. 861 00:43:31,521 --> 00:43:33,088 And you look this way. 862 00:43:33,132 --> 00:43:35,308 Okay? -Mm-hmm. 863 00:43:35,351 --> 00:43:39,355 ♪ 864 00:43:39,399 --> 00:43:43,055 -Sometimes you have to take a big step. 865 00:43:43,098 --> 00:43:46,711 I want you behind me. 866 00:43:46,754 --> 00:43:49,627 Are you behind me? -No. 867 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:54,806 ♪ 868 00:43:54,849 --> 00:44:00,507 ♪ 869 00:44:00,550 --> 00:44:02,465 -Keep going, keep going. 870 00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:05,338 Good job, good job, good job. 871 00:44:05,381 --> 00:44:08,733 Good, good, good, good, good. 872 00:44:08,776 --> 00:44:10,909 Good, good, good. 873 00:44:10,952 --> 00:44:17,132 ♪ 874 00:44:17,176 --> 00:44:22,877 ♪ 875 00:44:22,921 --> 00:44:25,401 I got to hold your hand, didn't I? 876 00:44:25,445 --> 00:44:29,971 All right. Let's go set up camp. 877 00:44:30,015 --> 00:44:32,452 -Come get your sleeping bag. 878 00:44:43,289 --> 00:44:45,334 -Let's, uh...[clears throat] 879 00:44:45,378 --> 00:44:47,946 reflect on today. 880 00:44:47,989 --> 00:44:53,429 When we're crossing almost a diagonal snow field 881 00:44:53,473 --> 00:44:58,347 and if something happened that we don't expect 882 00:44:58,391 --> 00:45:02,830 and somebody slid down, that was a long way down. 883 00:45:02,874 --> 00:45:05,050 Almost all the way to the lake. 884 00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:06,878 I don't mind river crossings. 885 00:45:06,921 --> 00:45:10,795 I don't mind crossing passes, it's tough, high altitude, 886 00:45:10,838 --> 00:45:15,364 blah, blah, blah, that, I don't want to do. 887 00:45:15,408 --> 00:45:16,975 That's not what I'm here to do. 888 00:45:17,018 --> 00:45:18,454 We're here to connect with wild nature, 889 00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:20,674 not to risk our lives. 890 00:45:20,718 --> 00:45:24,983 And that was too close for me to be comfortable. 891 00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:29,770 ♪ 892 00:45:29,814 --> 00:45:32,033 -When you first arrived at that snow, 893 00:45:32,077 --> 00:45:34,819 how did you feel? 894 00:45:34,862 --> 00:45:37,691 -I was gonna die. 895 00:45:37,735 --> 00:45:40,650 -You was, like, scared? I was scared. 896 00:45:40,694 --> 00:45:43,915 I had to go step-by-step. 897 00:45:43,958 --> 00:45:47,483 It took me at least, like, 20 seconds to do each step. 898 00:45:47,527 --> 00:45:50,008 When I got there, I was relieved. 899 00:45:50,051 --> 00:45:53,881 I was like, it's over. I'm straight now. 900 00:45:53,925 --> 00:45:57,842 [Sighs] 901 00:45:57,885 --> 00:45:59,017 -I'll give you my mashed potatoes. 902 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:01,976 -Aah! -Aah! 903 00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:04,239 -It's dud. 904 00:46:04,283 --> 00:46:07,199 -You lost it. You lost it. 905 00:46:07,242 --> 00:46:08,896 -Hey, we won. 906 00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:12,595 Man, I'm going to give each of y'all one third of a penny. 907 00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:21,648 ♪ 908 00:46:21,691 --> 00:46:27,045 ♪ 909 00:46:32,877 --> 00:46:36,097 -This is not an easy place to get to. 910 00:46:36,141 --> 00:46:38,099 There's a pass on that side. 911 00:46:38,143 --> 00:46:40,275 There's a pass on that side. 912 00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:46,325 -That one was probably the hardest. 913 00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,675 It wasn't as high as the other ones, but the trail 914 00:46:48,718 --> 00:46:51,765 was sort of a zigzag and it took a long time. 915 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:56,117 -[Breathing heavily] 916 00:46:56,161 --> 00:46:59,425 My stomach hurt. 917 00:46:59,468 --> 00:47:01,296 -With the high altitude thing, 918 00:47:01,340 --> 00:47:05,300 I would look and see Nohea, like, breathing hard, basically. 919 00:47:17,922 --> 00:47:24,276 ♪ 920 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:30,499 ♪ 921 00:47:30,543 --> 00:47:34,764 -I cannot walk no more. -[Speaks indistinctly] 922 00:47:34,808 --> 00:47:36,636 -I have altitude problems. 923 00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,900 I have so many emotions right now. 924 00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:42,947 I'm getting aggravated at the most tiniest things. 925 00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:45,906 It's like, if my shoes get stuck in mud, I'll get so mad. 926 00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:49,214 ♪ 927 00:47:49,257 --> 00:47:53,218 -My stomach is just... 928 00:47:53,261 --> 00:47:56,395 -I thought I was trying to go slow, but I couldn't stop. 929 00:47:56,438 --> 00:48:00,573 And then I slipped on a rock. I almost died. 930 00:48:00,616 --> 00:48:06,927 ♪ 931 00:48:06,971 --> 00:48:11,932 ♪ 932 00:48:11,976 --> 00:48:17,068 -Come on, bro. We got to get out of this pass. 933 00:48:17,111 --> 00:48:20,854 I know it's hard, but we've got to get out of this pass. 934 00:48:20,898 --> 00:48:22,595 Come on, bruh. You need to get up. 935 00:48:22,638 --> 00:48:25,554 -Wait two minutes. -Two minutes. 936 00:48:25,598 --> 00:48:27,165 Two minutes then you're going up. 937 00:48:27,208 --> 00:48:28,949 -Okay. 938 00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:30,559 -Gonna wall all the way up that pass. 939 00:48:30,603 --> 00:48:31,996 -Okay. 940 00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:34,650 -No matter how slow you do it, 941 00:48:34,694 --> 00:48:38,524 we walking up that pass without stopping. 942 00:48:38,567 --> 00:48:41,788 -I'm getting up. 943 00:48:41,831 --> 00:48:47,011 ♪ 944 00:48:47,054 --> 00:48:50,971 -Nice. 945 00:48:51,015 --> 00:48:55,236 ♪ 946 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,631 Let's get it. 947 00:48:58,674 --> 00:49:07,857 ♪ 948 00:49:07,901 --> 00:49:10,208 ♪ 949 00:49:10,251 --> 00:49:13,994 I'm just tired. 950 00:49:14,038 --> 00:49:15,778 Shit. 951 00:49:15,822 --> 00:49:24,831 ♪ 952 00:49:24,874 --> 00:49:34,232 ♪ 953 00:49:34,275 --> 00:49:43,893 ♪ 954 00:49:43,937 --> 00:49:53,251 ♪ 955 00:49:53,294 --> 00:50:02,869 ♪ 956 00:50:02,912 --> 00:50:10,877 ♪ 957 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,879 ♪ 958 00:50:12,922 --> 00:50:17,536 -Helping Nohea, I kind of felt a responsibility to do it. 959 00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:19,799 One, because he was my tentmate. 960 00:50:19,842 --> 00:50:22,889 And two, really because he's a dear friend. 961 00:50:22,932 --> 00:50:24,760 So, like, doing that, it motivated him 962 00:50:24,804 --> 00:50:28,938 and it motivated me. 963 00:50:28,982 --> 00:50:30,723 -I like seeing that. 964 00:50:30,766 --> 00:50:32,377 Somebody basically the same age 965 00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:34,640 or, like, a leader, stepping up to the plate, 966 00:50:34,683 --> 00:50:36,337 realizing things have to get done. 967 00:50:36,381 --> 00:50:39,297 Or we have to help each other to get through this trip. 968 00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:41,560 And, basically, Ahmani took a lot of leadership, 969 00:50:41,603 --> 00:50:43,344 things he usually don't do. 970 00:50:43,388 --> 00:50:45,738 It's, like, he's on the right track. 971 00:50:45,781 --> 00:50:51,700 ♪ 972 00:50:51,744 --> 00:50:54,312 -Think about it. We did West Maroon Pass. 973 00:50:54,355 --> 00:50:56,488 We did Frigid Air Pass. 974 00:50:56,531 --> 00:50:58,751 We did Trail Rider Pass. 975 00:50:58,794 --> 00:51:03,103 And today, we did -- -Buckskin. 976 00:51:03,147 --> 00:51:05,018 -Buckskin Pass. 977 00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:07,151 And here we are at the end of the circle. 978 00:51:07,194 --> 00:51:09,109 And you've completed this circle. 979 00:51:09,153 --> 00:51:10,980 You crossed four passes. 980 00:51:11,024 --> 00:51:16,595 You went up to 12,500 feet four times -- 981 00:51:16,638 --> 00:51:18,597 very, very challenging. 982 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,339 Like I said, when you get home, your friends 983 00:51:21,382 --> 00:51:24,124 won't even know what you're talking about. 984 00:51:24,168 --> 00:51:29,303 ♪ 985 00:51:29,347 --> 00:51:31,914 -Why your hands got bigger, bro? 986 00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:36,745 -My hands -- I feel like they really did. 987 00:51:36,789 --> 00:51:39,531 -What can we tell younger people 988 00:51:39,574 --> 00:51:41,837 as we introduce them to Wilderness Works? 989 00:51:41,881 --> 00:51:43,230 -You're going to have your ups and downs. 990 00:51:43,274 --> 00:51:44,623 Like, you're going to have hard times. 991 00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:46,320 But you're going to have easy times. 992 00:51:46,364 --> 00:51:48,235 Either way, like, it's worth it. 993 00:51:48,279 --> 00:51:50,019 -I felt pretty good, I guess. 994 00:51:50,063 --> 00:51:53,675 It was hard, but at least I got through it. 995 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,244 -I really am proud of you. I was worried there. 996 00:51:57,288 --> 00:51:59,768 -At the time, I thought, because I was so unsure, 997 00:51:59,812 --> 00:52:01,422 that I didn't like it. 998 00:52:01,466 --> 00:52:07,863 But now I realize how big that was and, like, what I did. 999 00:52:07,907 --> 00:52:10,083 Just going over four passes, 1000 00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:12,825 seeing these wild animals. 1001 00:52:12,868 --> 00:52:14,218 There's a huge world out there. 1002 00:52:14,261 --> 00:52:17,134 And there's so much to discover. 1003 00:52:17,177 --> 00:52:20,702 So it took me a while to realize, like, 1004 00:52:20,746 --> 00:52:22,530 if it was my element or not. 1005 00:52:22,574 --> 00:52:28,319 ♪ 1006 00:52:28,362 --> 00:52:30,495 -When you first go out into nature, 1007 00:52:30,538 --> 00:52:32,627 you're not used to having everything 1008 00:52:32,671 --> 00:52:34,847 for seven days in one bag. 1009 00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:38,503 When you do it time after time after time after time, like, 1010 00:52:38,546 --> 00:52:40,287 that button just turns on, like, dang, 1011 00:52:40,331 --> 00:52:42,463 this is actually a world I never seen before. 1012 00:52:42,507 --> 00:52:47,686 And you realize the freedom of it. 1013 00:52:47,729 --> 00:52:50,906 Basically, it opens, like, plugs in your brain. 1014 00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:52,517 When they were like, this is a once 1015 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,258 in a lifetime moment, and Bill corrects us, 1016 00:52:54,301 --> 00:52:57,522 he's basically telling us, like, you can continue doing this. 1017 00:52:57,565 --> 00:52:59,741 And you can help other people get out here 1018 00:52:59,785 --> 00:53:02,179 and keep coming back. 1019 00:53:02,222 --> 00:53:03,267 -It felt like I was playing a game, 1020 00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:05,138 but it was like real life. 1021 00:53:05,182 --> 00:53:06,705 Once you reach one pass, you got, like, level one, 1022 00:53:06,748 --> 00:53:08,228 level two, level three. 1023 00:53:08,272 --> 00:53:10,404 And you passed the game. 1024 00:53:10,448 --> 00:53:11,840 And it just made me feel proud, 1025 00:53:11,884 --> 00:53:13,494 because I just went and did 24 miles. 1026 00:53:13,538 --> 00:53:16,280 Imma get mine. 1027 00:53:16,323 --> 00:53:17,324 -And by the way, Ahmani, I want you to know. 1028 00:53:17,368 --> 00:53:18,717 You're right for wilderness. 1029 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,329 You may not know it, but you are. 1030 00:53:22,373 --> 00:53:25,245 Kids are so used to virtual reality. 1031 00:53:25,289 --> 00:53:30,990 By having a real experience, really being at 13,000 feet, 1032 00:53:31,033 --> 00:53:33,384 the real experience is far superior. 1033 00:53:33,427 --> 00:53:35,908 And they discover that on the trail. 1034 00:53:35,951 --> 00:53:37,257 That's very gratifying. 1035 00:53:37,301 --> 00:53:38,737 -Check me out. 1036 00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:40,086 -This is make-up. 1037 00:53:40,129 --> 00:53:42,436 -No, it's not. -It's make-up remover. 1038 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,525 -It removes dirts, right? 1039 00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:46,614 -No. -Did I get a mustache? 1040 00:53:46,658 --> 00:53:56,363 ♪ 1041 00:54:01,934 --> 00:54:03,457 -It's like snow. 1042 00:54:03,501 --> 00:54:05,154 -Yeah, it's actually called snow sugar. 1043 00:54:05,198 --> 00:54:06,765 -Oh, that's funny. 1044 00:54:06,808 --> 00:54:09,376 -What do you plan on being when you grow up? 1045 00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:10,986 -A personal fitness trainer. 1046 00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:13,206 -Okay, that's cool. -But that might change. 1047 00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:14,860 -True. Things have changed. -Work from here. 1048 00:54:14,903 --> 00:54:16,296 Yep. 1049 00:54:24,261 --> 00:54:27,568 -What a masterpiece. 1050 00:54:27,612 --> 00:54:30,702 Two fry. -Right. 1051 00:54:36,273 --> 00:54:38,797 Clock out. -Oh, my god. 1052 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,408 I sat out here for a hour. 1053 00:54:41,452 --> 00:54:44,150 -Golly. -[Laughs] 1054 00:54:44,193 --> 00:54:46,326 Got on a, um... -Had nothing? 1055 00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:48,328 -Yeah. 1056 00:54:48,372 --> 00:54:50,243 He officially out, like, 1057 00:54:50,287 --> 00:54:52,027 when was the last time you seen your daddy? 1058 00:54:52,071 --> 00:54:54,595 -When I was 10. -10? 1059 00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:56,380 -Yeah. 1060 00:54:56,423 --> 00:54:59,165 -11, 12, 13, 14, 15. 1061 00:54:59,208 --> 00:55:01,733 -Yeah, he about 40 now. 1062 00:55:01,776 --> 00:55:03,604 You nervous? -Why I'm nervous? 1063 00:55:03,648 --> 00:55:05,998 Are you nervous? 1064 00:55:06,041 --> 00:55:09,480 -I'm just ready to see him again. 1065 00:55:09,523 --> 00:55:13,571 -And when you talk to him, tell him how you feel. 1066 00:55:13,614 --> 00:55:15,050 -I don't know how I feel. 1067 00:55:15,094 --> 00:55:17,618 -Are you mad at him? -No. 1068 00:55:17,662 --> 00:55:19,664 I'm probably not mad 'cause I probably was sort of 1069 00:55:19,707 --> 00:55:21,535 used to it. 1070 00:55:21,579 --> 00:55:23,015 There wasn't days where I was just like, 1071 00:55:23,058 --> 00:55:25,191 I ain't got no daddy or whatever. 1072 00:55:25,234 --> 00:55:27,106 I'm just disappointed. -Got used to it. 1073 00:55:27,149 --> 00:55:29,543 -Yeah, just got used to it. 1074 00:55:32,241 --> 00:55:34,374 -Come on in. 1075 00:55:51,913 --> 00:55:55,003 -I just got here. 1076 00:55:55,047 --> 00:55:59,660 Yeah, I got him. 1077 00:55:59,704 --> 00:56:01,401 Yeah, I got him. 1078 00:56:01,445 --> 00:56:03,272 No, he got me back. 1079 00:56:03,316 --> 00:56:05,927 -What's going on with you? -Nothing much. 1080 00:56:05,971 --> 00:56:08,626 I just came from out of town with the program I'm in. 1081 00:56:08,669 --> 00:56:11,498 Colorado for a month. 1082 00:56:11,542 --> 00:56:14,632 I just flew back yesterday. -What'd you do out there? 1083 00:56:14,675 --> 00:56:18,331 -Backpacking, wilderness, stuff like that. 1084 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:21,987 Backpacking. 1085 00:56:22,030 --> 00:56:26,687 -I think he was kind of like shocked, like, this is my son? 1086 00:56:26,731 --> 00:56:29,516 Yeah, this is your son. 1087 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,259 -I'm just excited to see you. You know? 1088 00:56:33,302 --> 00:56:36,262 [Speaks indistinctly] 1089 00:56:36,305 --> 00:56:39,178 -I think he likes it 'cause he realize that I'm different 1090 00:56:39,221 --> 00:56:42,268 from him, like, he wasn't on the right track. 1091 00:56:42,311 --> 00:56:46,359 And him seeing me doing these opposite things that he did 1092 00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:49,971 I guess is like, oh, my God, 1093 00:56:50,015 --> 00:56:52,931 he's actually doing something with his life. 1094 00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:54,498 -This your daddy. 1095 00:56:54,541 --> 00:56:58,676 -I think I got a picture with him. 1096 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,329 -I've never traveled in the mountains 1097 00:57:00,373 --> 00:57:02,419 or nothing like that, 1098 00:57:02,462 --> 00:57:03,898 but it brought Cliff a ton of energy. 1099 00:57:03,942 --> 00:57:06,510 -That's me? -Yeah, that's you. 1100 00:57:06,553 --> 00:57:08,076 -He was like, Mom, 1101 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,339 it's something other than just Atlanta, 1102 00:57:10,383 --> 00:57:11,776 other than just Georgia, 1103 00:57:11,819 --> 00:57:17,216 outside of, you know, just these four walls. 1104 00:57:17,259 --> 00:57:19,392 Matthew's trying to get a job, too, now. 1105 00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:21,481 He's trying to step up and keep his grades up 1106 00:57:21,525 --> 00:57:23,178 because I'm like, look at your brother. 1107 00:57:23,222 --> 00:57:24,745 He's doing good. 1108 00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:27,313 Even the other kids, they respect him now. 1109 00:57:27,356 --> 00:57:28,749 I thank him. 1110 00:57:28,793 --> 00:57:32,405 Like, I really thank him for being a good child. 1111 00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:36,278 Now I feel like I can brag a little bit. 1112 00:57:36,322 --> 00:57:38,759 Yeah. [Laughs] 1113 00:57:38,803 --> 00:57:41,501 -Oh, yeah, that snow was no joke. 1114 00:57:41,545 --> 00:57:43,416 -That's you? 1115 00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:45,984 -That's me right there. 1116 00:57:46,027 --> 00:57:49,117 -I was the first one to join Wilderness Works 1117 00:57:49,161 --> 00:57:50,684 out of my family. 1118 00:57:50,728 --> 00:57:52,512 They was like, Nick, can I come with you 1119 00:57:52,556 --> 00:57:54,166 because I've been missing you. 1120 00:57:54,209 --> 00:57:55,559 I'll be like, all right. 1121 00:57:55,602 --> 00:57:58,475 -Sonny, stand up. 1122 00:57:58,518 --> 00:58:01,521 Are you related to Brandon? 1123 00:58:01,565 --> 00:58:03,131 -I'm happy for them. 1124 00:58:03,175 --> 00:58:05,569 I just want to see their reaction when they get 1125 00:58:05,612 --> 00:58:07,832 inside, like, wilderness, like, 1126 00:58:07,875 --> 00:58:10,704 I just want to see how they react. 1127 00:58:10,748 --> 00:58:12,837 No! 1128 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,316 I'm not going to say I fully matured, 1129 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,014 because I know I didn't. 1130 00:58:16,057 --> 00:58:19,060 Not going to say a pure lie. 1131 00:58:19,104 --> 00:58:23,064 But I'm not finna let depression take over my life. 1132 00:58:23,108 --> 00:58:24,413 -So some of the kids 1133 00:58:24,457 --> 00:58:28,069 that come here are living in shelters. 1134 00:58:28,113 --> 00:58:31,029 And Ahmani knows what it's like to be homeless. 1135 00:58:31,072 --> 00:58:32,639 And I'm very proud of Ahmani 1136 00:58:32,683 --> 00:58:35,990 because he has stood tough all this time. 1137 00:58:36,034 --> 00:58:37,470 Look at him. 1138 00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:39,341 -There was one in particular at City Camp, 1139 00:58:39,385 --> 00:58:41,082 I did see myself in. 1140 00:58:41,126 --> 00:58:44,085 He was in the same stuff that I into when I was that age. 1141 00:58:44,129 --> 00:58:46,392 -Well, yeah, I felt the same thing. 1142 00:58:46,435 --> 00:58:48,176 It was all unpredictable. 1143 00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:51,528 And I don't know where I would go or anything. 1144 00:58:51,571 --> 00:58:54,443 And nothing -- I don't know what would happen. 1145 00:58:54,487 --> 00:58:56,794 Or who would be here or anything. 1146 00:58:56,837 --> 00:59:00,493 It was really stressful, like Ahmani said. 1147 00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:02,277 Oh, yeah. 1148 00:59:02,321 --> 00:59:04,541 -Ahmani can let these kids 1149 00:59:04,584 --> 00:59:07,195 know that it doesn't stop here. 1150 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:09,415 That they call it transitional housing 1151 00:59:09,458 --> 00:59:11,809 because you're not meant to stay there, 1152 00:59:11,852 --> 00:59:14,986 but transition into something better. 1153 00:59:15,029 --> 00:59:18,903 Red rover, red rover, send Lucas over. 1154 00:59:18,946 --> 00:59:22,428 If you expose yourself to more than just what 1155 00:59:22,471 --> 00:59:23,995 the system offers you, 1156 00:59:24,038 --> 00:59:27,433 there's no limit to what you can become. 1157 00:59:27,476 --> 00:59:30,784 -When you were out there in the mountains, 1158 00:59:30,828 --> 00:59:32,699 when you guys reached the top, 1159 00:59:32,743 --> 00:59:35,528 did it feel like you guys were in an Atlanta building, 1160 00:59:35,572 --> 00:59:36,921 all the way up there? 1161 00:59:36,964 --> 00:59:39,663 -First, climbing the pass is hard. 1162 00:59:39,706 --> 00:59:41,969 I mean, it's tough. 1163 00:59:42,013 --> 00:59:44,972 So once your get up there and you get to the top, 1164 00:59:45,016 --> 00:59:47,148 and you see where you came from, and you point, 1165 00:59:47,192 --> 00:59:49,281 and you feel the wind, you're, like, on top of the world. 1166 00:59:49,324 --> 00:59:51,109 You feel like you accomplished something. 1167 00:59:51,152 --> 00:59:53,851 -These guys have done major, major, major stuff. 1168 00:59:53,894 --> 00:59:55,766 And there's even more you can do. 1169 00:59:55,809 --> 00:59:59,465 There's no limit. People who think big do big. 1170 00:59:59,508 --> 01:00:01,685 The question is, how many feel like this 1171 01:00:01,728 --> 01:00:06,777 is something you would like to do? 1172 01:00:06,820 --> 01:00:09,649 I do believe that the group of people 1173 01:00:09,693 --> 01:00:11,172 that have experienced wilderness 1174 01:00:11,216 --> 01:00:14,262 could make this go way beyond what I've done. 1175 01:00:14,306 --> 01:00:18,745 Can you and Cliff take the first group upstairs? 1176 01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:21,661 There's a series of chain reactions. 1177 01:00:21,705 --> 01:00:23,620 And that's exciting. 1178 01:00:23,663 --> 01:00:25,839 -Kick the other light on. -I got you. 1179 01:00:25,883 --> 01:00:28,059 -We've still got, like, 10 more minutes. 1180 01:00:28,102 --> 01:00:29,887 -Yeah. but you can talk, but talk quietly 1181 01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:31,540 because you're going to bed. 1182 01:00:31,584 --> 01:00:33,760 -Okay. 1183 01:00:33,804 --> 01:00:35,936 -[Indistinct conversations] 1184 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:44,902 ♪ 1185 01:00:44,945 --> 01:00:47,948 ♪ 1186 01:00:55,129 --> 01:01:03,921 ♪ 1187 01:01:03,964 --> 01:01:12,059 ♪ 1188 01:01:12,103 --> 01:01:14,888 -It's like mountains behind mountains, behind mountains. 1189 01:01:14,932 --> 01:01:24,115 ♪ 1190 01:01:24,158 --> 01:01:29,816 ♪ 1191 01:01:29,860 --> 01:01:39,478 ♪ 1192 01:01:39,521 --> 01:01:41,219 Wow, those boys are incredible. 1193 01:01:41,262 --> 01:01:43,700 "That's Wild" left me feeling inspired, hopeful, 1194 01:01:43,743 --> 01:01:45,223 and with the realization that I should definitely 1195 01:01:45,266 --> 01:01:47,834 get out of my Brooklyn apartment every once in a while. 1196 01:01:47,878 --> 01:01:49,662 Here to help me go a little deeper 1197 01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:52,883 are Derrick Johnson, president and CEO of the NAACP. 1198 01:01:52,926 --> 01:01:54,493 -Thank you. -And Terrence Terrell, 1199 01:01:54,536 --> 01:01:56,582 Emmy Award-winning actor and author. 1200 01:01:56,625 --> 01:01:57,844 Thank you for having us. 1201 01:01:57,888 --> 01:02:00,020 Thanks to both of you for coming on 1202 01:02:00,064 --> 01:02:02,283 and talking about this film. Let me ask you this. 1203 01:02:02,327 --> 01:02:04,851 What was your reaction upon seeing the film? 1204 01:02:04,895 --> 01:02:06,723 My first reaction, I'mma just be honest, 1205 01:02:06,766 --> 01:02:09,203 was, "Oh, here we go. White savior, right?" 1206 01:02:09,247 --> 01:02:11,989 But as soon as this film started to go on 1207 01:02:12,032 --> 01:02:13,425 and getting into more of it, 1208 01:02:13,468 --> 01:02:16,080 I found out that Bill, 1209 01:02:16,123 --> 01:02:18,299 who's doing this amazing thing with these kids, 1210 01:02:18,343 --> 01:02:21,825 he literally went through similar situations 1211 01:02:21,868 --> 01:02:23,478 that most of the kids that he's mentoring. 1212 01:02:23,522 --> 01:02:25,002 Pain is colorless. 1213 01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:27,265 This is about the lack of exposure. 1214 01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:30,616 What happens when you put people in situations 1215 01:02:30,659 --> 01:02:32,879 where they have never been exposed to 1216 01:02:32,923 --> 01:02:35,795 and how'd they deal with and overcome adversity? 1217 01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:40,017 It's crazy to watch any -- a kid of any stripe 1218 01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:43,324 at 12 years old doing these things with, 1219 01:02:43,368 --> 01:02:46,110 you know, with other kids. Let me ask you this, Derrick. 1220 01:02:46,153 --> 01:02:49,113 You're from Detroit, correct? -That's correct. 1221 01:02:49,156 --> 01:02:52,072 What was your connection with nature in Detroit? 1222 01:02:52,116 --> 01:02:55,554 Did you -- Did you go out camping and fishing, 1223 01:02:55,597 --> 01:02:56,816 hunting, things like that? 1224 01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:58,818 I can recall that first time -- 1225 01:02:58,862 --> 01:03:00,037 Kids in my neighborhood, 1226 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,343 you know, it was a culture shock. 1227 01:03:02,387 --> 01:03:04,476 Not only was it a culture shock because we were camping, 1228 01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:07,827 it was a culture shock because there was several races there. 1229 01:03:07,871 --> 01:03:09,481 There was Black and white kids. 1230 01:03:09,524 --> 01:03:14,878 And so when you mix in kids from different backgrounds, 1231 01:03:14,921 --> 01:03:17,794 you know, you find people start off 1232 01:03:17,837 --> 01:03:20,100 zeroing in on what's different. 1233 01:03:20,144 --> 01:03:22,929 But then over time, once they get to know each other, 1234 01:03:22,973 --> 01:03:26,498 you begin to come together about what you have in common. 1235 01:03:26,541 --> 01:03:28,282 Absolutely. 1236 01:03:28,326 --> 01:03:29,980 And, Terrence, what was your experience with the outdoors? 1237 01:03:30,023 --> 01:03:32,286 Well, at first it was a culture shock. 1238 01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:35,681 But then also just knowing that my mother was pushing us 1239 01:03:35,724 --> 01:03:38,727 into that to let us know that there was more in the world. 1240 01:03:38,771 --> 01:03:40,164 When you see it, you can actually believe it. 1241 01:03:40,207 --> 01:03:42,514 One of the major themes I thought in the film 1242 01:03:42,557 --> 01:03:44,342 was Black joy. 1243 01:03:44,385 --> 01:03:47,519 I saw the boys just like, you know, just cutting it up 1244 01:03:47,562 --> 01:03:52,480 and chopping it up, having fun with each other, being free. 1245 01:03:52,524 --> 01:03:54,091 What significance do you think 1246 01:03:54,134 --> 01:03:57,137 that plays, those images on screen? 1247 01:03:57,181 --> 01:03:59,357 I think it's extremely important 1248 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:01,228 that you show them having fun, 1249 01:04:01,272 --> 01:04:05,189 but also you project to other young adolescents 1250 01:04:05,232 --> 01:04:09,323 who are watching it to say it's okay to be happy, 1251 01:04:09,367 --> 01:04:13,110 it's okay to play, it's okay to build relationships 1252 01:04:13,153 --> 01:04:18,724 with -- with your counterparts in a space 1253 01:04:18,767 --> 01:04:20,900 where you can feel safe. 1254 01:04:20,944 --> 01:04:23,381 It's a beautiful thing, and we should embrace it. 1255 01:04:23,424 --> 01:04:27,559 I also think that what the film did to its credit 1256 01:04:27,602 --> 01:04:30,214 was that it -- it kind of showed 1257 01:04:30,257 --> 01:04:33,173 a gallery of different characters of color. 1258 01:04:33,217 --> 01:04:35,784 What was displayed to me was that Black people 1259 01:04:35,828 --> 01:04:37,308 aren't a monolith. 1260 01:04:37,351 --> 01:04:39,876 Did you -- Did y'all feel the same way? 1261 01:04:39,919 --> 01:04:41,442 I have a 15-year-old son. 1262 01:04:41,486 --> 01:04:45,185 I understand the struggles he go through as an adolescent 1263 01:04:45,229 --> 01:04:48,188 trying to find himself in the world. 1264 01:04:48,232 --> 01:04:50,756 And so it was good to see this film 1265 01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:53,541 and those young men in that setting 1266 01:04:53,585 --> 01:04:54,978 where they can be adolescents 1267 01:04:55,021 --> 01:04:59,765 and not be judged as adults, monsters, or criminals. 1268 01:04:59,808 --> 01:05:04,248 That's really important because how we are viewed on the screen 1269 01:05:04,291 --> 01:05:07,425 is how we are treated in public policy or in the streets. 1270 01:05:07,468 --> 01:05:08,687 Right. 1271 01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:10,863 You're already programmed out the gate. 1272 01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,560 Like, run if you see a police officer. 1273 01:05:12,604 --> 01:05:14,258 Don't do this. 1274 01:05:14,301 --> 01:05:17,000 Don't put your hand in your pocket when you're in the store 1275 01:05:17,043 --> 01:05:19,611 because you'll be accused of stealing. 1276 01:05:19,654 --> 01:05:24,007 So it was really good to see them in those different arenas 1277 01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:27,053 and just watch them be children. 1278 01:05:27,097 --> 01:05:29,708 I think one of the common themes in the movie 1279 01:05:29,751 --> 01:05:32,319 was breaking cycles. 1280 01:05:32,363 --> 01:05:35,061 Does a program like this, a wilderness program like this, 1281 01:05:35,105 --> 01:05:38,282 does it fly in the face of the stereotype, you know, 1282 01:05:38,325 --> 01:05:40,023 Black folks don't camp? 1283 01:05:40,066 --> 01:05:41,894 Well, first of all, it is a myth. 1284 01:05:41,938 --> 01:05:44,418 I mean, Black folks do almost everything. 1285 01:05:44,462 --> 01:05:46,725 If you give our young people 1286 01:05:46,768 --> 01:05:49,510 an opportunity to overcome adversity 1287 01:05:49,554 --> 01:05:53,862 and you equip them with the skills and have patience, 1288 01:05:53,906 --> 01:05:55,908 they can and will overcome. 1289 01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:58,998 I did camp as a -- as a kid, 1290 01:05:59,042 --> 01:06:03,307 and I was the only Black kid in my Boy Scout troop. 1291 01:06:03,350 --> 01:06:06,049 And I knew that once I left the -- the city, 1292 01:06:06,092 --> 01:06:08,921 the country and the wilderness beyond 1293 01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:10,531 was like white man's land. 1294 01:06:10,575 --> 01:06:15,319 I'm wondering to what degree we have to work 1295 01:06:15,362 --> 01:06:20,541 to not -- to not be stuck or ghettoized in the cities. 1296 01:06:20,585 --> 01:06:25,068 We also need to start watching how we say things to children, 1297 01:06:25,111 --> 01:06:27,070 because even like what you just said, 1298 01:06:27,113 --> 01:06:28,723 Jordan, you said "white man's land," right? 1299 01:06:28,767 --> 01:06:32,510 So automatically, you say that, as a little black boy, 1300 01:06:32,553 --> 01:06:35,992 you, like -- automatically there's borders and boxes 1301 01:06:36,035 --> 01:06:38,342 that already happened within our minds, right? 1302 01:06:38,385 --> 01:06:41,345 Because it's white man's land or it's a white man's country 1303 01:06:41,388 --> 01:06:44,130 compared to this is whatever you want it to be. 1304 01:06:44,174 --> 01:06:45,523 But let me ask you this, alright? 1305 01:06:45,566 --> 01:06:47,873 So in 2020, we had Christian Cooper, 1306 01:06:47,916 --> 01:06:50,571 a well-known birder here in New York. 1307 01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:52,965 And I'm sure you know about the -- the famous case. 1308 01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:55,533 It raised the question, you know, 1309 01:06:55,576 --> 01:06:58,666 can Black people be in the forest, in wilderness, 1310 01:06:58,710 --> 01:07:05,369 even Central Park without them being perceived as a threat? 1311 01:07:06,848 --> 01:07:08,502 Well, racism is real. 1312 01:07:08,546 --> 01:07:13,725 The structural is personal, and it exists. 1313 01:07:13,768 --> 01:07:18,512 And so no matter where we are in this system of America, 1314 01:07:18,556 --> 01:07:21,080 race is a factor that people take into account. 1315 01:07:21,124 --> 01:07:22,603 Yes. 1316 01:07:22,647 --> 01:07:24,779 You go out and you're automatically seen as a threat. 1317 01:07:24,823 --> 01:07:28,000 So then we automatically start trying to compromise with that, 1318 01:07:28,044 --> 01:07:30,959 like not really using our voice with our bass. 1319 01:07:31,003 --> 01:07:33,571 We start talking high-pitched just to make sure 1320 01:07:33,614 --> 01:07:35,138 everyone around us isn't threatened. 1321 01:07:35,181 --> 01:07:36,617 We don't want to walk in our presence 1322 01:07:36,661 --> 01:07:39,098 because we're concerned if somebody is gonna see that 1323 01:07:39,142 --> 01:07:41,753 as a threat compared to just seeing us as a human. 1324 01:07:41,796 --> 01:07:44,756 We shouldn't have to, you know, apologize for our presence. 1325 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:48,803 So moving forward, what do you feel could be positive steps 1326 01:07:48,847 --> 01:07:51,458 to -- to get more young people -- 1327 01:07:51,502 --> 01:07:54,809 more young people of color out into the forest, 1328 01:07:54,853 --> 01:07:56,637 the wilderness, you know, 1329 01:07:56,681 --> 01:08:00,946 to see the -- the majesty of the country's interior, all that? 1330 01:08:00,989 --> 01:08:03,601 We are locking in poverty 1331 01:08:03,644 --> 01:08:06,343 in a way in which it's based on geography. 1332 01:08:06,386 --> 01:08:09,607 The question of refunding communities 1333 01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:13,132 because we have overfunded law-enforcement agencies 1334 01:08:13,176 --> 01:08:15,178 and putting back in place 1335 01:08:15,221 --> 01:08:18,398 the type of support becomes important. 1336 01:08:18,442 --> 01:08:22,185 We can't keep talking about this -- these situations 1337 01:08:22,228 --> 01:08:24,143 and not doing anything about it. 1338 01:08:24,187 --> 01:08:25,318 Representation. 1339 01:08:25,362 --> 01:08:26,972 Even now, 1340 01:08:27,015 --> 01:08:30,062 being I was the only Black series regular on my show, 1341 01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:32,412 I know that I'm in that space 1342 01:08:32,456 --> 01:08:34,632 to help other people like me get in that space. 1343 01:08:34,675 --> 01:08:36,851 I'm really pushing representation 1344 01:08:36,895 --> 01:08:40,377 'cause we have to see it to believe that you can do it. 1345 01:08:40,420 --> 01:08:42,161 If you don't even know that it exists, 1346 01:08:42,205 --> 01:08:43,815 you can't even dream it, right? 1347 01:08:43,858 --> 01:08:47,079 So you have to see it to be able to do it and achieve it. 1348 01:08:47,123 --> 01:08:48,863 Well, there you have it. 1349 01:08:48,907 --> 01:08:51,431 Telling impactful stories and discussing ways to create access 1350 01:08:51,475 --> 01:08:53,041 can help make the outdoors more equitable 1351 01:08:53,085 --> 01:08:55,435 for kids and adults alike. 1352 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,265 And we can all be part of that conversation and change. 1353 01:08:59,309 --> 01:09:01,876 Well, gentlemen, any time you want to go out into nature, 1354 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,487 I-I'm down for it. 1355 01:09:03,530 --> 01:09:06,142 Thank you for your candidness and sitting down with us. 1356 01:09:06,185 --> 01:09:08,492 Thank you. Thank you all. 1357 01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:10,711 Come back next month for another great film 1358 01:09:10,755 --> 01:09:13,279 and another honest conversation. 1359 01:09:13,323 --> 01:09:15,499 Does anybody else want trail mix right now? 1360 01:09:17,979 --> 01:09:19,851 ♪ 1361 01:09:29,121 --> 01:09:38,261 ♪ 1362 01:09:38,304 --> 01:09:47,444 ♪ 1363 01:09:47,487 --> 01:09:56,801 ♪ 1364 01:09:56,844 --> 01:10:06,114 ♪ 1365 01:10:06,158 --> 01:10:15,428 ♪ 1366 01:10:15,472 --> 01:10:19,563 ♪