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<i>There's something there
that lets you know it's there.</i>

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<i>This house,
it's really grabbed me.</i>

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<i>It's got its hooks
sinked into me.</i>

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<i>There's a lot of thing that happen
in this house that we can't explain.</i>

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<i>It's wild
just being there.</i>

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<i>It has this, you know,
this aura about it, a... a... a mystery.</i>

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<i>I wanted a simple house,
I wanted a A-frame house,</i>

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<i>and I wanted a... a loft upstairs
with a balcony.</i>

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<i>And when we first drove by here,
it was just a beautiful meadow.</i>

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It was covered with wildflowers.

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And it just took my breath away.

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And I said,
you know, "That's it."

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<i>I had the house
subcontracted, built like I wanted.</i>

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<i>When they started building,</i>

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<i>we noticed that there were some
strange things happening.</i>

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The doors would slam.

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I mean nothing else would be blowing
around, but the door would slam.

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<i>They put the doorbell in
and it would ring.</i>

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<i>And you'd go to the door,
there's nobody there.</i>

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<i>I remember deadbolting the door
and going upstairs</i>

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<i>and as soon as I get upstairs,
you know, we heard a bang!</i>

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<i>I looked out
and the door was open.</i>

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<i>But it had the deadbolt
still sticking out.</i>

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<i>This house had a lot of activity
that was unusual</i>

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<i>and we knew that.</i>

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<i>I made peace with that,
I lived with that</i>

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<i>until 2011.</i>

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<i>At 11:30, I was probably
in bed by 12 o' clock.</i>

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<i>And it was
pitch-black dark in here.</i>

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And a light came on

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and I opened my eyes and, uh,

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there was this... it was light.

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It was a patch of total daylight
from the ceiling to the floor.

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<i>And it was daylight
in this tube of light</i>

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<i>and it was pitch black
in the rest of the room.</i>

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<i>I just stared at it.</i>

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<i>After about 10 seconds,
it just went blink, it went out.</i>

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<i>I just covered my head</i>

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<i>and I pulled back the covers</i>

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<i>and I saw there were like,
real bright red buttons of light.</i>

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<i>I had a flashlight on the bed</i>

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<i>and I shone the flashlight
all around the room</i>

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<i>and uh, there was
nothing unusual.</i>

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<i>And I really did feel watched.</i>

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<i>I felt a presence,
I felt observed.</i>

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<i>I didn't know if it was
a religious experience,</i>

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<i>I didn't know if it was a UFO
experience, I didn't know what it was.</i>

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<i>It scared me to death.</i>

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<i>That was a turning point
in my life,</i>

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<i>because I decided
that I would not stay here</i>

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<i>by myself at night.</i>

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I never mentioned it
to hardly anybody in this town

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about the paranormal activity
in my house,

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because I wasn't sure
how they would take it.

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It's a... it's a...
it's in the Bible Belt

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and you know... and you know, I just...
I didn't know how they would take it.

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<i>Florence
is a suburb of Jackson,</i>

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<i>the statistical
metropolitan area.</i>

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This is community that's...
that's got good neighbors.

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They probably
pretty much keep to themselves

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and that may be
what makes them good neighbors.

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<i>I think
the people are real nice.</i>

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<i>If somebody dies,</i>

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uh, everybody
comes and brings food

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and they go to the cemetery
or they go to the funeral halls

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<i>or do what they can for you.</i>

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We're just country.

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Just... just country.

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<i>Florence is a great
town, but it's a southern town.</i>

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Some people are open-minded

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and some people
are very close-minded.

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<i>Florence is very Bible Belt-ish.</i>

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<i>Bringing in the paranormal
to them is unbelievable.</i>

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Do you believe in ghosts?

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Uh, believe in what?

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No, I don't.

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<i>I am a Christian,
I do believe in the Holy Spirit.</i>

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If y'all... y'all go stay out in empty
houses all night, I'll go to bed.

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<i>I was all embarrassed,</i>

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<i>because I thought, you know,
I'm just gonna look like an idiot.</i>

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<i>So, I didn't tell anybody
until it became known enough</i>

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<i>that I knew there were gonna do
a little news program on it.</i>

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<i>On the outside,
it looks like your typical home,</i>

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<i>but inside
it's anything but normal.</i>

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The candle
just got up and landed.

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It didn't just tipple over
and it didn't shoot over,

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it just kinda
levitated over there.

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<i>After that news segment,</i>

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<i>that just kinda validated to me
that it was okay to express it,</i>

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because I just kept it inside,
I didn't tell a lot of people.

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But once it was documented,

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I felt perfectly
free then to talk about it.

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<i>And it was really a big moment.</i>

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<i>That kinda made it real for me.</i>

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<i>I think that's when it... that's when I
started being really open to really...</i>

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<i>I was trying to find
somebody who could...</i>

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<i>or maybe come up
with some explanation.</i>

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<i>I started talking
to a friend ofmine at work</i>

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<i>and she said
she knew a young investigator</i>

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<i>named John Bullard
who might be interested.</i>

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<i>My name's John Bullard.</i>

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<i>I'm a marketing director</i>

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<i>for about 40
different restaurants.</i>

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<i>What got me
into the paranormal is</i>

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<i>ever since I was a little child,</i>

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I would see shadow figures,
I would hear voices.

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<i>I didn't know
if I was crazy or not</i>

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<i>and I wanted
to validate it for myself.</i>

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<i>Uh, I didn't want to validate it
for anybody else,</i>

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<i>I just wanted to figure out
that I wasn't crazy.</i>

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<i>And I started doing research</i>

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<i>about the supernatural
and the paranormal.</i>

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And I kinda, you know, over time
wanted to test the waters,

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so I went to supposedly haunted
places to test the waters,

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to see if I could actually
capture something,

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if I could feel something

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or sense something
that I sensed when I was child.

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<i>We accidentally caught
an incredible spirit voice EVP,</i>

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<i>electronic voice phenomenon
and that kinda changed me.</i>

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What is that white out
near the woods, you see that?

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It is in the woods,
you see it now?

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Oh, no, no, no,
shine closer to it, shine.

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In here.

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- What the fuck was that?
- What was that? What?

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Did you say-that place
said "in here?"

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No.

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Did y'all not...
you didn't hear that?

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No, I'm sorry.

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In here.

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There...
there, did you hear anybody say, "in here?"

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Did someone
just say "in here?"

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Did you hear that?

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- Uh, I heard something.
- John.

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- I'm not fucking kidding.
- I'm sorry.

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<i>Well, my biggest goal
that I set in my mind was</i>

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to document evidence

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that was clean, clear,
and easy to view.

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Did somebody
just make that noise?

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<i>I was referred
to the Mississippi house</i>

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<i>by a friend of a friend.</i>

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<i>When we pull up to the house,</i>

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<i>you would never think there
was anything really going on</i>

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<i>inside the house.</i>

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<i>So, we were really skeptical,</i>

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<i>but we figured
we'd hear her out.</i>

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<i>Alice told us about the lights</i>

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<i>that she experienced
in the bottom bedroom</i>

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<i>and some other sounds
that she'd heard in the house.</i>

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<i>And just from the
pre-investigation that we did,</i>

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<i>it really started
to intrigue me.</i>

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<i>Things moved.</i>

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<i>Lights that have turned off.</i>

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<i>It's something different</i>

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<i>than just
a paranormal investigation.</i>

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We have done about nine years,

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it's the longest location that
we have ever done consistently.

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<i>We have a DVR system</i>

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<i>that is filming the house
24 hours a day,</i>

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<i>they try to capture
something else.</i>

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There's definitely
something else out there,

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whether it's a uh,
you know, another world

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or something
that we're tapping into.

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<i>Uh, it's up...
it's up for debate.</i>

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<i>I have something
very special for you today.</i>

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<i>We have Brad Cooney.</i>

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<i>Brad is part
of the Mississippi house</i>

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<i>and it is very well-documented</i>

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<i>as a place that is haunted.</i>

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<i>So, tell me a little bit
about the house.</i>

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<i>Just about everybody
who we bring in there,</i>

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<i>it just... it creeps 'em out.</i>

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<i>There's
a different energy in there</i>

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<i>like you... you mentioned
in your opening.</i>

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<i>It's very well-documented,</i>

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<i>the evidence captured
is amazing.</i>

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Good?

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Will you get
that close cobwebs out?

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You see I'm not home so much,

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I didn't realize all those
cobwebs are back there.

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This is really out of my comfort
zone, this whole thing.

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So, I've lived here
uh, 12 years.

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12 years now and this is
where I do all my... my podcasts

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and throughout
my boxing journalistic career

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I've accrued quite a few things
in the boxing world

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writing for magazines
and writing for boxing websites.

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I've... I've met just about
everybody there is

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that's anybody
in the boxing world.

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h, Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya,
Floyd Mayweather.

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I don't go to the fights anymore though, I
don't cover it, I did it for a lot of years.

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It was just time to start
another chapter.

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I got into the paranormal

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uh, in... in... in...
standing in this very room,

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watched TV one day

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and a segment
that a local news broadcaster

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<i>did on Miss Alice's house
caught my attention.</i>

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<i>I stopped what I was doing,
I started watching it</i>

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<i>and realized
it was really close,</i>

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<i>so I reached out to that homeowner and
her friend that was also on that segment.</i>

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<i>'Cause it was
really interesting to me,</i>

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<i>especially how close it was.</i>

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It was like wow, usually you hear
something's haunted or whatever

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or whatever it might be

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it's a long drive, but this was
so close to where I live.

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So, I would be interested and it
would be really interesting for me

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to uh, to see
if they'll have me in there

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and take a look around.

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So that's all,

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<i>that's how I started
getting into the paranormal.</i>

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<i>And it just took off from there.</i>

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<i>I met Alice and when
she told me her story,</i>

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<i>I believed her, instantly.</i>

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In fact,
the first day I came here,

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we had... we had some
activity happen in the house

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which really piqued my interest
up at that point.

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- <i>Actually, they said</i>
- <i>You see that?</i>

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It was coming towards the stairs
and it went...

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- out the door... ooh, ooh, ooh.
- Look at that there.

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<i>The next week
I came back again,</i>

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I captured some more evidence

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um, that I felt
I couldn't explain.

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<i>And it... it just
blossomed from there.</i>

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<i>We had major equipment failure,</i>

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<i>because of spirit activity
all up in this sucker.</i>

226
00:13:08.353 --> 00:13:10.555
<i>But this is a REM pod
that's going nuts.</i>

227
00:13:11.256 --> 00:13:13.658
<i>I learned some of the stuff
through research,</i>

228
00:13:13.690 --> 00:13:15.726
trying things.

229
00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.563
Then I got to where
I would buy some equipment.

230
00:13:19.597 --> 00:13:22.368
<i>It's... it's kind of how
I learned how to investigate.</i>

231
00:13:25.402 --> 00:13:27.471
<i>Brad Cooney came along
a few years ago</i>

232
00:13:27.504 --> 00:13:30.375
and really helped out to what we
were doing in the Mississippi house.

233
00:13:31.709 --> 00:13:34.146
<i>It's good to get two
investigators who are separate,</i>

234
00:13:34.179 --> 00:13:35.714
<i>who originally never
knew each other,</i>

235
00:13:35.747 --> 00:13:39.017
<i>who'd come together and are experiencing
the same things in the house.</i>

236
00:13:40.350 --> 00:13:41.518
<i>This is my...</i>

237
00:13:41.551 --> 00:13:44.322
<i>I'm beginning my third year
investigating this house.</i>

238
00:13:45.089 --> 00:13:47.459
<i>Once I think I figured
something out,</i>

239
00:13:47.492 --> 00:13:48.794
something else happens.

240
00:13:48.826 --> 00:13:50.796
Some things I've
debunked in... in the home,

241
00:13:50.829 --> 00:13:52.697
but many things I...
I can't debunk

242
00:13:52.729 --> 00:13:56.567
and that in itself is...
is why I keep doing this.

243
00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.037
Because there's things that
happen here that I just simply...

244
00:13:59.503 --> 00:14:01.672
I can't figure out
why it's happening.

245
00:14:21.758 --> 00:14:24.495
Wait,
that's gotta be somebody.

246
00:14:42.479 --> 00:14:45.084
Ask for somebody that...
ask if anyone's in there?

247
00:15:08.940 --> 00:15:10.776
Man.

248
00:15:12.377 --> 00:15:15.447
That might've been the most
profound noises we've ever heard in here.

249
00:15:16.314 --> 00:15:17.549
Wow.

250
00:15:20.350 --> 00:15:21.719
<i>During
our investigations,</i>

251
00:15:21.752 --> 00:15:23.555
<i>we've heard voices
in this house.</i>

252
00:15:24.421 --> 00:15:25.724
<i>Doors open.</i>

253
00:15:42.974 --> 00:15:45.243
<i>We've seen light shut off.</i>

254
00:15:47.778 --> 00:15:49.680
So, we would start asking,

255
00:15:51.382 --> 00:15:53.218
you shut that light off again?"

256
00:15:53.251 --> 00:15:55.687
And we've actually
gotten direct responses

257
00:15:55.719 --> 00:15:56.888
to where the light
would shut off.

258
00:15:58.022 --> 00:16:00.258
Can you make any noise
or do something for us

259
00:16:00.925 --> 00:16:03.362
that will tell us
that we're not alone in here?

260
00:16:20.478 --> 00:16:21.780
Which one in here?

261
00:16:21.813 --> 00:16:23.715
He said the black

262
00:16:23.748 --> 00:16:24.950
Is this? Oh!

263
00:16:24.983 --> 00:16:26.785
Oh my God,
will you look at

264
00:16:26.818 --> 00:16:27.719
And it's on camera.

265
00:16:28.719 --> 00:16:30.656
The chandelier just
shut off by itself.

266
00:16:31.355 --> 00:16:33.257
<i>We believe it's possible that</i>

267
00:16:34.325 --> 00:16:36.695
<i>spirit activity,
spirits that hear us</i>

268
00:16:36.728 --> 00:16:38.363
<i>are communicating with us.</i>

269
00:16:38.863 --> 00:16:43.334
<i>And we try to, get as much as we
can for possibly a breakthrough.</i>

270
00:16:43.800 --> 00:16:47.272
So, I do feel like we are teaching
the spirits to communicate with us.

271
00:16:47.305 --> 00:16:48.974
I feel like we are teaching
the dead

272
00:16:49.007 --> 00:16:51.977
inside the house of Mississippi
how to communicate with us.

273
00:16:55.647 --> 00:16:57.215
Please.

274
00:17:00.550 --> 00:17:02.653
I feel
your static-charged energy,

275
00:17:02.686 --> 00:17:04.455
turn it up for me, please.

276
00:17:06.824 --> 00:17:08.325
There we go.

277
00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.596
- There we go!
- There we go.

278
00:17:11.929 --> 00:17:14.565
We use a lot of trigger
objects inside the house.

279
00:17:15.033 --> 00:17:17.636
We started putting
a baseball or two baseballs

280
00:17:17.669 --> 00:17:19.571
on the staircase
in the Mississippi house.

281
00:17:20.071 --> 00:17:22.274
And for a while
we set 'em up there

282
00:17:22.306 --> 00:17:24.608
<i>and obviously, we tried to
communicate to the spirits</i>

283
00:17:24.642 --> 00:17:26.478
<i>that we wanted them
to move the baseball,</i>

284
00:17:26.510 --> 00:17:28.345
<i>to roll it down the stairs.</i>

285
00:17:28.380 --> 00:17:32.818
<i>We want nothing more than to hear the baseball
bounce down those stairs and hit the floor.</i>

286
00:17:34.584 --> 00:17:37.788
<i>That baseball
sat idle for days.</i>

287
00:17:40.892 --> 00:17:44.828
But then one day
just decided to up and move,

288
00:17:44.862 --> 00:17:46.698
and fall down
the steps by itself.

289
00:18:13.357 --> 00:18:15.559
<i>Since then it's happened
several times.</i>

290
00:18:23.133 --> 00:18:25.903
<i>What the hell's going
on in this house?</i>

291
00:18:25.937 --> 00:18:28.973
<i>Why do things move that
aren't supposed to move?</i>

292
00:18:29.006 --> 00:18:30.409
<i>Things defy physics.</i>

293
00:18:31.042 --> 00:18:32.477
<i>I want answers.</i>

294
00:18:34.778 --> 00:18:36.480
<i>What happens when we die?</i>

295
00:18:36.514 --> 00:18:39.084
<i>Is there a... does our... do we retain our
consciousness when we cross over and...</i>

296
00:18:39.116 --> 00:18:41.920
<i>and this is what we're hearing
and seeing in... in this house.</i>

297
00:18:44.122 --> 00:18:46.425
<i>The ball moving has intrigued
me the most.</i>

298
00:18:48.125 --> 00:18:51.429
<i>That's something' that I'm
really hungry to find out why.</i>

299
00:18:51.461 --> 00:18:53.397
<i>Why is that ball moving?</i>

300
00:18:53.430 --> 00:18:55.132
<i>Is there something' behind it?</i>

301
00:18:55.165 --> 00:18:57.534
<i>Why? I have no idea why
this is happening.</i>

302
00:18:57.567 --> 00:18:59.671
Let's bring in
somebody who might,

303
00:18:59.703 --> 00:19:01.072
I think that's very,
very important.

304
00:19:11.516 --> 00:19:12.918
Let's see what we got.

305
00:19:14.619 --> 00:19:16.621
What this does,
it holds a level point,

306
00:19:16.653 --> 00:19:18.022
this is what we're gonna
shoot from.

307
00:19:24.895 --> 00:19:26.130
Zero.

308
00:19:33.537 --> 00:19:35.406
Side to side, it's level.

309
00:19:45.216 --> 00:19:48.053
There might be a little
slope up here, but...

310
00:19:49.053 --> 00:19:50.220
Where? Up there, yeah.

311
00:19:50.254 --> 00:19:53.458
I couldn't see why
it would roll down there. Okay.

312
00:19:55.793 --> 00:19:57.594
I am happy to know
the... the slope,

313
00:19:57.628 --> 00:19:59.631
because we do have
our doors open and close.

314
00:19:59.663 --> 00:20:02.666
And uh, so it's not from, you
know, 'cause somebody might say,

315
00:20:02.700 --> 00:20:04.168
"Oh, it's 'cause your house
is not level." No.

316
00:20:04.201 --> 00:20:06.837
Or if the ball rolls, "Maybe it's
'cause your house is not level." No.

317
00:20:07.537 --> 00:20:10.508
No, but what's crazy is your
house has been level since...

318
00:20:11.174 --> 00:20:12.976
- Since a long time ago.
- '06.

319
00:20:13.009 --> 00:20:14.511
- '06, uh-huh.
- Yeah,

320
00:20:14.545 --> 00:20:15.747
the measurements
are still the same.

321
00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:16.847
Yeah.

322
00:20:16.881 --> 00:20:18.850
<i>I hope that
by bringing experts in</i>

323
00:20:18.882 --> 00:20:21.719
<i>that there will be some
discoveries made</i>

324
00:20:21.751 --> 00:20:24.188
<i>that will be
important to us all.</i>

325
00:20:26.824 --> 00:20:31.496
How can objects move that have
no apparent energy source?

326
00:20:31.895 --> 00:20:33.864
There's obviously an answer,
but we don't know it.

327
00:20:35.232 --> 00:20:38.168
<i>There's some sort
of convergence of energy here</i>

328
00:20:38.201 --> 00:20:39.603
<i>that we can't explain.</i>

329
00:21:16.606 --> 00:21:19.643
So, in my opinion all that's
working fine

330
00:21:19.677 --> 00:21:21.913
to the chandelier
and these lights.

331
00:21:22.712 --> 00:21:24.081
And I checked the breaker,

332
00:21:24.114 --> 00:21:28.152
the breaker's shutting it off
and good voltage there.

333
00:21:29.253 --> 00:21:32.190
This dimmer here,
it works fine.

334
00:21:32.222 --> 00:21:35.559
Uh, sometimes
the dimmers would go bad

335
00:21:35.593 --> 00:21:38.930
and make it, you know,
go dimmer.

336
00:21:38.962 --> 00:21:41.699
But that seems to
be working fine.

337
00:21:41.731 --> 00:21:44.068
At this time, I'm not finding
anything wrong with it.

338
00:21:45.036 --> 00:21:50.609
So, I'm not seeing anything
out of the ordinary.

339
00:21:51.075 --> 00:21:52.977
I would... I mean I would've
liked to have seen it

340
00:21:53.009 --> 00:21:55.646
doing what it would,
y'all said it did though.

341
00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:56.815
That would be interesting to me.

342
00:21:56.847 --> 00:21:59.984
I think electricals' fine,
there's nothing wrong with it.

343
00:22:00.985 --> 00:22:03.755
I think you... you're looking
at something else.

344
00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:11.796
So, when you stopped,
after the lights happened,

345
00:22:11.828 --> 00:22:13.764
you decided, "I'm not gonna stay
here anymore."

346
00:22:15.098 --> 00:22:17.067
Did you think about it
when you weren't here?

347
00:22:17.101 --> 00:22:19.070
The first few nights you didn't
stay at the house,

348
00:22:19.103 --> 00:22:21.171
were you kinda wondering
what was going on?

349
00:22:21.205 --> 00:22:22.574
Did you think about coming back

350
00:22:22.606 --> 00:22:23.941
and trying to stay
at the house again?

351
00:22:23.975 --> 00:22:25.577
- Or after you made the decision
- No.

352
00:22:25.610 --> 00:22:26.811
That was it?

353
00:22:26.844 --> 00:22:28.813
No, that was... that
was clear cut.

354
00:22:28.845 --> 00:22:30.781
I'm outta there. Yeah.

355
00:22:30.815 --> 00:22:34.251
Because... because I thought
nobody could help me.

356
00:22:34.285 --> 00:22:36.321
I mean, if you're here
and something',

357
00:22:36.353 --> 00:22:38.890
if there's an intelligence
that's greater than you

358
00:22:38.922 --> 00:22:40.724
and they have these abilities
that are greater than you,

359
00:22:40.757 --> 00:22:42.059
you know you're gone
and nobody...

360
00:22:42.093 --> 00:22:43.161
nobody's gonna be able to help.

361
00:22:43.193 --> 00:22:46.730
No, but I mean you could tell
the... the real fear,

362
00:22:46.764 --> 00:22:48.498
because again you know

363
00:22:48.533 --> 00:22:51.836
It's one of those things you don't talk a lot
about, you know especially in the South.

364
00:22:51.869 --> 00:22:53.237
But when it gets to the point

365
00:22:53.269 --> 00:22:54.939
where you wanna reach out to
somebody,

366
00:22:54.971 --> 00:22:56.007
which I'm glad you did

367
00:22:57.274 --> 00:23:00.712
Uh, because we uncovered a whole
mountain of stuff, you know.

368
00:23:00.745 --> 00:23:04.916
I think there's times that we
could push ourselves.

369
00:23:04.949 --> 00:23:07.118
But this house sometimes
is so intense

370
00:23:07.151 --> 00:23:08.686
I have to back away.

371
00:23:08.719 --> 00:23:10.622
There's only so much
I can take, you know?

372
00:23:10.654 --> 00:23:14.024
I... I... I have a passion for
this field, documentation, but

373
00:23:14.057 --> 00:23:16.960
this house will push you to uh,
a whole another limit.

374
00:23:16.994 --> 00:23:19.130
Well, you brought up a great
point about...

375
00:23:19.162 --> 00:23:21.632
'cause people have
asked you and me also,

376
00:23:21.665 --> 00:23:24.301
"Why would you be scared if
you've been there so many times?"

377
00:23:24.334 --> 00:23:27.872
It's because we've experienced
what this house can do.

378
00:23:27.904 --> 00:23:30.340
And when you're in this house
by yourself, when it's dark, l

379
00:23:30.373 --> 00:23:32.142
ights are off, door's locked...

380
00:23:32.176 --> 00:23:34.112
- Yep.
- It's a different ballgame.

381
00:23:34.144 --> 00:23:37.114
Well, it's interesting that you
know, it took the lights

382
00:23:37.148 --> 00:23:39.317
to be the tipping point
for you to reach out

383
00:23:39.350 --> 00:23:42.120
and actually express it and start
getting people in here to help you.

384
00:23:42.152 --> 00:23:43.854
I mean, maybe somebody else
has experienced that,

385
00:23:43.888 --> 00:23:46.324
maybe somebody else
understands what it might be.

386
00:24:21.991 --> 00:24:23.427
<i>So, I was invited by Alice</i>

387
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:25.796
<i>to come
and investigate her house.</i>

388
00:24:25.830 --> 00:24:27.799
<i>At first,
I was a little hesitant,</i>

389
00:24:27.832 --> 00:24:29.100
<i>but I talked to her
on the phone</i>

390
00:24:29.132 --> 00:24:31.902
<i>and something really
is troubling her.</i>

391
00:24:31.936 --> 00:24:34.739
You know, I could just tell
how sincere she was

392
00:24:34.771 --> 00:24:37.107
and how much
this house scared her.

393
00:24:37.141 --> 00:24:39.310
<i>I mean, the fact that it's been
10 years</i>

394
00:24:39.343 --> 00:24:41.144
<i>and she hasn't slept
in the house.</i>

395
00:24:41.178 --> 00:24:44.282
<i>And the fact that she's opened
it up to other people</i>

396
00:24:44.315 --> 00:24:46.851
<i>trying to figure out
what is happening here.</i>

397
00:24:46.883 --> 00:24:50.153
<i>And they showed me a lot of
things that I couldn't explain.</i>

398
00:24:50.187 --> 00:24:52.423
<i>There may be something
paranormal happening,</i>

399
00:24:52.456 --> 00:24:55.126
but it
could be anything, you know?

400
00:24:55.159 --> 00:24:56.928
But I wanna start checking
things off.

401
00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:57.961
"Okay, no, it's not this."

402
00:24:57.996 --> 00:25:00.931
And I wanna help them get
to the bottom of it.

403
00:25:18.949 --> 00:25:21.017
- Hi, Alice.
- How are you doing?

404
00:25:21.051 --> 00:25:22.252
- How are you?
- Good.

405
00:25:22.286 --> 00:25:24.389
- It's nice to see you.
- Aww, it's good to see you.

406
00:25:24.955 --> 00:25:26.424
- Thank you.
- It really is.

407
00:25:26.457 --> 00:25:28.526
Uh, I have some uh,
people here and

408
00:25:28.558 --> 00:25:29.893
- Hey, y'all.
- ...we're ready to do this.

409
00:25:35.999 --> 00:25:37.969
<i>John and Brad realized</i>

410
00:25:38.001 --> 00:25:40.938
<i>that they've sort of done
about all that they can.</i>

411
00:25:41.838 --> 00:25:46.777
<i>Now it's time to step in and
bring it to the next level.</i>

412
00:25:48.879 --> 00:25:52.083
<i>It's time to bring in some...
some other people.</i>

413
00:25:53.150 --> 00:25:55.553
I got
all of these different experts

414
00:25:55.585 --> 00:25:58.021
to come together
and get answers.

415
00:26:19.276 --> 00:26:20.443
<i>Millions of years ago,</i>

416
00:26:20.477 --> 00:26:23.046
<i>when the dinosaurs
walked the Earth,</i>

417
00:26:23.080 --> 00:26:25.483
<i>this area was actually
the bottom of the shallow sea.</i>

418
00:26:27.183 --> 00:26:29.987
If you find
a dinosaur bone in Mississippi,

419
00:26:30.019 --> 00:26:32.155
it's not gonna be
a land-based dinosaur.

420
00:26:32.189 --> 00:26:35.125
In fact,
it's a huge prehistoric whale

421
00:26:35.159 --> 00:26:37.061
in the Mississippi
science museum.

422
00:26:37.961 --> 00:26:40.931
<i>All this life settles to the
bottom</i>

423
00:26:40.965 --> 00:26:43.568
<i>and over the eons
becomes limestone.</i>

424
00:26:44.901 --> 00:26:49.407
<i>Florence was an early area
of mining for this limestone.</i>

425
00:26:53.177 --> 00:26:55.279
<i>The house is not
an 1800s house,</i>

426
00:26:55.312 --> 00:26:57.115
<i>the house was built in the '90s.</i>

427
00:26:58.548 --> 00:27:01.318
And even at the construction
of the house,

428
00:27:01.352 --> 00:27:03.353
she already had
experiences going on.

429
00:27:04.020 --> 00:27:07.023
To me, I would assume that
something' associated with the land

430
00:27:07.056 --> 00:27:08.593
and not necessarily the house.

431
00:27:30.113 --> 00:27:33.150
<i>I'm Qilin Dai from Jackson
State University,</i>

432
00:27:33.182 --> 00:27:35.452
<i>assistant
professor of physics.</i>

433
00:27:35.486 --> 00:27:39.055
There is a theory out
there that limestone

434
00:27:39.088 --> 00:27:42.526
...can perhaps
retain energy and release it.

435
00:27:43.928 --> 00:27:46.898
Uh, would that be something
that's possible in your opinion?

436
00:27:46.930 --> 00:27:48.399
I think
it's very possible.

437
00:27:48.431 --> 00:27:51.168
Limestone and mineral... other
minerals,

438
00:27:52.199 --> 00:27:53.304
they can absorb energy.

439
00:27:54.037 --> 00:27:56.239
The simplest way
for a lime or rock

440
00:27:56.273 --> 00:27:58.376
to absorb energy
is the heat,

441
00:27:58.409 --> 00:27:59.911
so they can be heated,

442
00:27:59.943 --> 00:28:03.113
so then they have
this energy, thermo energy.

443
00:28:03.146 --> 00:28:05.181
And then they can deliver this
energy,

444
00:28:05.215 --> 00:28:07.385
so energy can be
transported through them.

445
00:28:08.052 --> 00:28:09.554
Do you think that...

446
00:28:10.453 --> 00:28:14.024
anything
like underground water

447
00:28:14.057 --> 00:28:18.461
or moving water
could create a static charge?

448
00:28:18.495 --> 00:28:20.164
Is that even a possibility?

449
00:28:20.197 --> 00:28:22.300
With water
underground the earth

450
00:28:22.333 --> 00:28:23.968
cannot create any charges.

451
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.238
Maybe because of lighting
something from nature,

452
00:28:28.271 --> 00:28:30.006
<i>it can be charged,</i>

453
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.509
<i>but they cannot create
new charges.</i>

454
00:28:32.543 --> 00:28:34.011
So, this is law.

455
00:28:34.044 --> 00:28:37.180
Okay. As you can see here,

456
00:28:37.213 --> 00:28:40.150
and this is a...
a ball here and um

457
00:28:40.584 --> 00:28:42.585
- and...
- Where is the ball?

458
00:28:42.619 --> 00:28:44.055
See that little circle
right there?

459
00:28:44.087 --> 00:28:45.288
- Oh, I see it, I see it.
- Yeah.

460
00:28:45.322 --> 00:28:47.491
And what happens a lot of the
time

461
00:28:47.524 --> 00:28:50.026
is it will propel forward

462
00:28:50.059 --> 00:28:55.299
and just start to fall
down the stairs.

463
00:28:55.699 --> 00:28:58.102
And, in your opinion,

464
00:28:59.169 --> 00:29:03.074
<i>would it be possible
that energy could do that?</i>

465
00:29:03.106 --> 00:29:04.174
It's not earthquake?

466
00:29:05.241 --> 00:29:06.978
That was my first
thought. It was

467
00:29:07.010 --> 00:29:08.178
Yeah, it's a

468
00:29:09.645 --> 00:29:11.147
<i>Michael Dennin,</i>

469
00:29:11.180 --> 00:29:13.484
<i>I am the Vice Provost for teaching
and learning here at UC Irvine.</i>

470
00:29:17.086 --> 00:29:19.489
<i>So, it's really interesting
footage like this</i>

471
00:29:19.523 --> 00:29:21.025
where you have like a ball.

472
00:29:21.057 --> 00:29:22.593
In this case, there's a ball in
the stairs

473
00:29:22.625 --> 00:29:24.527
<i>and then it suddenly
moves and rolls down the stairs.</i>

474
00:29:24.561 --> 00:29:25.730
<i>First of all, it's a ball,</i>

475
00:29:25.763 --> 00:29:28.165
so that's kind of makes it
a little easier,

476
00:29:28.198 --> 00:29:29.533
'cause those do roll.

477
00:29:29.565 --> 00:29:32.135
Um, the challenge is figuring
out

478
00:29:32.169 --> 00:29:34.104
what would've kicked or got
the ball rolling.

479
00:29:34.805 --> 00:29:37.475
<i>The dramatic part is simply
that the ball starts it all.</i>

480
00:29:37.507 --> 00:29:39.677
<i>Being on stairs, once it gets
going,</i>

481
00:29:39.709 --> 00:29:41.144
<i>it's gonna fall down the
stairs</i>

482
00:29:41.178 --> 00:29:43.381
<i>and that part is pretty
straightforward.</i>

483
00:29:43.413 --> 00:29:45.482
<i>This is a bit of a challenge.</i>

484
00:29:45.516 --> 00:29:48.052
<i>You can't deny that
the ball moved.</i>

485
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:51.689
I can speculate,
I can say things like,

486
00:29:51.721 --> 00:29:53.656
"There's a little bit
of shaking in the house."

487
00:29:53.690 --> 00:29:55.593
<i>Some wind you didn't notice.</i>

488
00:29:55.625 --> 00:29:58.128
<i>Which is harder to believe,
'cause winds hardly move a ball.</i>

489
00:29:58.161 --> 00:30:00.564
<i>There's a lot of ways I can
imagine if I wanted to fool you,</i>

490
00:30:00.596 --> 00:30:02.599
I could certainly set up ways

491
00:30:02.632 --> 00:30:04.267
that a ball would move with
nobody home.

492
00:30:04.301 --> 00:30:08.406
If the ball is made of iron and
then they have the uh...

493
00:30:08.439 --> 00:30:10.041
- Magnet.
- Magnet.

494
00:30:10.074 --> 00:30:13.110
To attract or you know,
repel that...

495
00:30:13.142 --> 00:30:16.279
- that is come different story for this.
- I see.

496
00:30:16.313 --> 00:30:17.715
<i>So, you think if the...</i>

497
00:30:17.748 --> 00:30:21.052
<i>maybe
it's more trickery than</i>

498
00:30:21.084 --> 00:30:22.019
Yeah.

499
00:30:33.396 --> 00:30:35.399
I bet
air will do a little bit.

500
00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:38.669
There's no breeze

501
00:30:38.701 --> 00:30:41.238
coming through
this house that's this powerful?

502
00:30:41.270 --> 00:30:42.205
No.

503
00:30:49.212 --> 00:30:51.514
<i>A ball
can move by itself</i>

504
00:30:51.547 --> 00:30:55.251
<i>maybe we could not see
the uh, force,</i>

505
00:30:55.285 --> 00:30:56.786
for example like air.

506
00:30:56.819 --> 00:31:00.090
We cannot see the air, but we
can prove there are air there.

507
00:31:00.123 --> 00:31:01.624
<i>We could not
see the motion,</i>

508
00:31:01.658 --> 00:31:04.628
<i>but we can see the results,
we can see it's moving.</i>

509
00:31:04.661 --> 00:31:07.198
As a scientist, I don't
believe ghosts at all.

510
00:31:07.698 --> 00:31:08.833
I believe science.

511
00:31:12.268 --> 00:31:15.573
<i>Without it being
a complete hoax,</i>

512
00:31:15.605 --> 00:31:17.740
<i>how would you explain
something like this?</i>

513
00:31:17.774 --> 00:31:21.712
I know ultimately the end result
is a physics action,

514
00:31:21.745 --> 00:31:24.515
like the ball starts moving,

515
00:31:24.547 --> 00:31:28.384
so the immediate cause of that
also has to be a physics action.

516
00:31:28.418 --> 00:31:30.221
I... I do think it...

517
00:31:30.254 --> 00:31:35.392
it's not air, it's not wind, uh,
it's certainly not magnet.

518
00:31:35.424 --> 00:31:38.328
I... I think we could
check under the stairs maybe.

519
00:31:45.768 --> 00:31:47.337
There's no holes here.

520
00:31:52.276 --> 00:31:53.544
Do you wanna see what happens

521
00:31:53.576 --> 00:31:56.412
if I give it
a bit of punch up here?

522
00:31:56.446 --> 00:31:58.482
- Yeah.
- See if the ball moves maybe.

523
00:31:58.515 --> 00:31:59.684
Go ahead.

524
00:32:07.790 --> 00:32:09.159
Anything?

525
00:32:09.192 --> 00:32:11.161
Nothing,
it's not even moving.

526
00:32:11.194 --> 00:32:13.196
<i>If you
really were there,</i>

527
00:32:13.229 --> 00:32:16.733
I guess rule out what I would
call, "the trivial physical cases",

528
00:32:16.767 --> 00:32:19.836
<i>and rule out the... the
cases of hoaxes,</i>

529
00:32:19.870 --> 00:32:22.273
<i>then you're
into this interesting realm of,</i>

530
00:32:22.305 --> 00:32:24.174
<i>"Okay, something physical
caused it,</i>

531
00:32:24.208 --> 00:32:25.875
<i>but what caused that physical?"</i>

532
00:32:25.909 --> 00:32:28.879
Most ideas of a ghost

533
00:32:28.911 --> 00:32:31.515
involve the ghost
being non-physical

534
00:32:31.547 --> 00:32:32.950
in some fundamental way.

535
00:32:32.982 --> 00:32:35.418
Any paranormal explanation

536
00:32:35.451 --> 00:32:37.520
is still going to involve

537
00:32:37.554 --> 00:32:40.423
something applying a force to
the ball.

538
00:32:41.257 --> 00:32:42.226
<i>And so therefore,</i>

539
00:32:42.258 --> 00:32:44.495
<i>the thing applying
the force by definition,</i>

540
00:32:44.527 --> 00:32:45.863
<i>we've just made it
physical.</i>

541
00:32:46.529 --> 00:32:48.498
So, it's just an interesting
conundrum

542
00:32:48.532 --> 00:32:51.636
that, to me, moves it
from science to detective story.

543
00:32:57.341 --> 00:32:59.911
<i>In the years
that I've been here,</i>

544
00:33:00.911 --> 00:33:02.779
I want to experience
some lights.

545
00:33:02.813 --> 00:33:05.182
I've seen
so many things in this house

546
00:33:05.548 --> 00:33:08.185
and with my own eyes,

547
00:33:08.852 --> 00:33:11.788
but that's what I wanna...
that's what I wanna see.

548
00:33:12.456 --> 00:33:13.757
Those lights that you saw.

549
00:33:13.789 --> 00:33:16.793
We got all kinds
of just great stuff

550
00:33:16.826 --> 00:33:21.231
and just stuff that's just direct responses
and it's... it's fully intelligent.

551
00:33:21.265 --> 00:33:22.700
You know, it's not residual,

552
00:33:22.732 --> 00:33:25.401
it's intelligent stuff happening
in the house,

553
00:33:25.434 --> 00:33:27.303
but there's that
carrot that's dangling

554
00:33:27.336 --> 00:33:28.404
- Like the Holy Grail
- Those lights

555
00:33:28.438 --> 00:33:31.007
The Holy Grail of what we're
trying to capture here

556
00:33:31.040 --> 00:33:32.909
is those... those...
the lights that Alice saw.

557
00:33:32.942 --> 00:33:33.911
Yeah.

558
00:33:37.748 --> 00:33:38.915
<i>Over the years,</i>

559
00:33:38.949 --> 00:33:41.451
<i>I've experienced
one thing with lights.</i>

560
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.755
So, I was upstairs in the
bedroom at the Mississippi house

561
00:33:45.788 --> 00:33:48.358
with the door closed, we were
doing an EVP session.

562
00:33:48.392 --> 00:33:50.228
It was me and one fellow
investigator.

563
00:33:51.728 --> 00:33:54.465
<i>And the bottom frame
of the door</i>

564
00:33:54.498 --> 00:33:55.967
<i>turned bright white</i>

565
00:33:57.433 --> 00:33:59.902
<i>and it was
almost like a camera shutter,</i>

566
00:33:59.936 --> 00:34:01.805
<i>two to three flashes of light.</i>

567
00:34:05.308 --> 00:34:07.411
<i>I sat there, kind of, in
awe for a few minutes.</i>

568
00:34:07.443 --> 00:34:10.647
<i>It was not raining, there was
no thunder, the night was clear.</i>

569
00:34:10.681 --> 00:34:13.017
<i>I opened the door and it
never happened again.</i>

570
00:34:13.049 --> 00:34:15.585
<i>We luckily did capture
that on film.</i>

571
00:34:20.357 --> 00:34:22.359
Miss Alice has had
experiences with the lights,

572
00:34:22.392 --> 00:34:24.928
the... these are the... the lights
that have scared her

573
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.631
<i>to where she doesn't want to...
to live in this house anymore.</i>

574
00:34:28.899 --> 00:34:33.036
I personally don't feel that's
a spirit activity or a ghost,

575
00:34:33.069 --> 00:34:34.638
<i>I think
that's something different.</i>

576
00:34:36.006 --> 00:34:37.507
Perhaps, extra-terrestrial.

577
00:34:39.109 --> 00:34:41.812
<i>It's something different going
on with those lights.</i>

578
00:34:43.580 --> 00:34:46.083
There is a woman who lives
7 miles from me,

579
00:34:46.116 --> 00:34:47.051
she's an elderly lady

580
00:34:47.084 --> 00:34:49.520
and so this happened
when she was a child,

581
00:34:49.553 --> 00:34:53.656
but she said that
her house lit up in a globe.

582
00:34:53.689 --> 00:34:55.325
And she said it was brighter
than the sun,

583
00:34:55.359 --> 00:34:56.661
I remember that...
that expression.

584
00:34:59.696 --> 00:35:01.598
<i>Many years ago,</i>

585
00:35:01.631 --> 00:35:03.600
when I lived... when I worked in
Florence,

586
00:35:03.632 --> 00:35:06.337
Alice was in and out of the
library where I worked a lot,

587
00:35:06.370 --> 00:35:07.305
'cause she lived close by.

588
00:35:08.071 --> 00:35:11.375
And I was telling her about this
light that I saw

589
00:35:11.408 --> 00:35:12.976
when I was
growing up

590
00:35:13.009 --> 00:35:14.978
right down in this
community.

591
00:35:15.011 --> 00:35:17.448
And I was asleep at night

592
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.917
and I was awake, just fla...

593
00:35:19.950 --> 00:35:25.355
you know, flash and my...
my light in my bedroom

594
00:35:25.388 --> 00:35:28.925
was lighter than...
well, it was just a white light.

595
00:35:28.959 --> 00:35:31.428
A clear white brilliant light.

596
00:35:31.460 --> 00:35:33.730
Flash bulb bright.

597
00:35:33.763 --> 00:35:36.767
- Yeah, something like that.
- It's just super, super bright.

598
00:35:36.799 --> 00:35:39.736
The trees and the house
on the hill and everything

599
00:35:39.770 --> 00:35:41.071
Brilliant, brilliant

600
00:35:41.103 --> 00:35:43.040
Was just brilliant,
brilliant light.

601
00:35:43.707 --> 00:35:45.075
It just faded away.

602
00:35:45.107 --> 00:35:47.077
And I just went back to bed
and went back to sleep.

603
00:35:47.977 --> 00:35:50.447
You know, it's just... there's
too much space

604
00:35:51.515 --> 00:35:52.817
to be the only
ones here.

605
00:35:54.584 --> 00:35:56.819
<i>She didn't know
what that is in her house</i>

606
00:35:56.852 --> 00:35:58.922
<i>and I don't know what
that was at my house.</i>

607
00:36:00.457 --> 00:36:02.526
<i>It's strange, I... you know,</i>

608
00:36:03.160 --> 00:36:04.828
<i>it... it's really strange.</i>

609
00:36:07.564 --> 00:36:09.665
The woman that I spoke
to you about Alice Jackson.

610
00:36:09.698 --> 00:36:10.700
Uh-huh, yes, yeah.

611
00:36:10.734 --> 00:36:14.036
Uh, she'd said that
in her bedroom...

612
00:36:14.069 --> 00:36:19.042
there was a glowing light
and then disappeared.

613
00:36:19.075 --> 00:36:20.544
In... in your opinion,

614
00:36:20.576 --> 00:36:23.479
is there anything
in terms of energy, science,

615
00:36:23.513 --> 00:36:28.652
things that are happening that could
create an illuminated ball of light.

616
00:36:28.685 --> 00:36:31.188
A light cannot happen
spontaneously,

617
00:36:31.221 --> 00:36:35.059
it has to have
origin to have this light.

618
00:36:35.725 --> 00:36:37.728
If we have like other light,

619
00:36:37.761 --> 00:36:40.831
maybe reflection
from window or from other place,

620
00:36:40.864 --> 00:36:42.466
it's possible
to have that.

621
00:36:42.498 --> 00:36:46.002
Or they have other energy
transfer to become light.

622
00:36:46.035 --> 00:36:49.839
Like uh, thermal energy,
electric energy,

623
00:36:49.872 --> 00:36:51.974
so it's kind of
a complicated question

624
00:36:52.007 --> 00:36:53.576
to... to
be answered simply.

625
00:36:55.511 --> 00:36:58.015
<i>There's a phenomenon in
nature called "St. Elmo's fire",</i>

626
00:36:58.047 --> 00:37:01.551
<i>which is a static electricity
discharge.</i>

627
00:37:01.585 --> 00:37:03.954
<i>If you have a build-up of static
electricity for some reason,</i>

628
00:37:03.986 --> 00:37:05.187
<i>yeah, it can cause a glow.</i>

629
00:37:05.221 --> 00:37:08.524
Uh, especially if it has some
kind of medium to act on it.

630
00:37:08.558 --> 00:37:10.960
Sometimes, all it takes
is just dust in the air.

631
00:37:11.995 --> 00:37:14.698
<i>If it were a ball of lightning
she was seeing in her house,</i>

632
00:37:14.730 --> 00:37:16.132
she wouldn't have to ask,

633
00:37:16.165 --> 00:37:17.267
because it would tear
something up,

634
00:37:17.301 --> 00:37:19.904
because this is a lot of
energy, that's very destructive.

635
00:37:21.770 --> 00:37:23.940
<i>Strange lights are
often the easiest</i>

636
00:37:23.973 --> 00:37:25.475
<i>to offer different
explanations to</i>

637
00:37:25.509 --> 00:37:27.811
<i>of all physics
phenomenon.</i>

638
00:37:27.843 --> 00:37:30.046
<i>Light is the most flexible
in a weird way.</i>

639
00:37:30.080 --> 00:37:33.016
The challenge is often
recreating them

640
00:37:33.049 --> 00:37:35.719
or figuring out
exactly what did it, um,

641
00:37:35.752 --> 00:37:37.855
at a level that would make
someone confident

642
00:37:37.888 --> 00:37:39.989
that it really was
just a physics effect.

643
00:37:42.993 --> 00:37:45.863
<i>If I knew that it was... had a
natural explanation,</i>

644
00:37:45.895 --> 00:37:48.832
you know like, you know,
I've heard now various theories

645
00:37:48.864 --> 00:37:50.200
about what
could cause lights

646
00:37:50.232 --> 00:37:52.535
and if somebody definitively
said,

647
00:37:52.569 --> 00:37:55.739
"Oh, it's the minerals
and salt, something, you know,

648
00:37:55.772 --> 00:37:57.574
the natural
that's causing the lights."

649
00:37:57.607 --> 00:37:59.543
Then I would
immediately not be afraid.

650
00:37:59.576 --> 00:38:02.546
But uh, since that hasn't
happened,

651
00:38:02.578 --> 00:38:04.580
it might be UFO stuff,

652
00:38:04.614 --> 00:38:07.284
it might be you know, some sort
of inter-dimensional stuff

653
00:38:07.317 --> 00:38:11.154
that was from some civilization
that was more advanced than we are.

654
00:38:11.187 --> 00:38:12.790
And so, in the beginning,

655
00:38:13.823 --> 00:38:17.560
you thought they were
extra-terrestrial, UFOs?

656
00:38:17.593 --> 00:38:18.928
It... it crossed my mind.

657
00:38:18.962 --> 00:38:20.163
It really did cross my mind,

658
00:38:20.196 --> 00:38:21.797
that was
the very first thing I thought.

659
00:38:21.830 --> 00:38:25.902
I have never seen anything that I can
reconcile this with in my history, you know,

660
00:38:25.935 --> 00:38:27.136
reading or anything

661
00:38:27.171 --> 00:38:29.939
except maybe all the stuff that
I had heard about UFO stuff.

662
00:38:29.973 --> 00:38:31.976
You know, beams of light
and people disappearing.

663
00:38:45.055 --> 00:38:50.227
<i>My name's Calvin Parker
and I was abducted in 1973.</i>

664
00:38:50.259 --> 00:38:52.062
<i>October, 1973.</i>

665
00:38:53.029 --> 00:38:55.766
<i>It was just over here, uh,</i>

666
00:38:55.799 --> 00:38:58.869
length of a football field and
back that way.

667
00:38:59.736 --> 00:39:01.638
And that's where it sat down

668
00:39:01.671 --> 00:39:04.841
and when it originally sat down
on a space in the river.

669
00:39:04.873 --> 00:39:07.745
And I could see the blue lights
coming over my shoulder.

670
00:39:08.678 --> 00:39:11.281
<i>When they stopped
and it opened up</i>

671
00:39:11.314 --> 00:39:13.817
<i>and then
a real bright light come out.</i>

672
00:39:14.750 --> 00:39:17.787
<i>Three robot-looking
creatures came out.</i>

673
00:39:18.254 --> 00:39:20.357
<i>Two of 'em got hold of my sail.</i>

674
00:39:20.390 --> 00:39:23.060
<i>Took us aboard,
gave us an examination.</i>

675
00:39:24.127 --> 00:39:28.931
<i>I didn't know what a UFO was or
an alien was till this happened.</i>

676
00:39:28.964 --> 00:39:31.267
<i>And I still don't know
that it was aliens.</i>

677
00:39:31.301 --> 00:39:34.337
<i>It could've been something from
an inter-dimension you know,</i>

678
00:39:34.370 --> 00:39:35.638
<i>travelled through.</i>

679
00:39:35.672 --> 00:39:36.840
<i>I hadn't ruled that out.</i>

680
00:39:37.806 --> 00:39:40.743
All I know is something
happened.

681
00:39:47.817 --> 00:39:49.753
Certainly, for modern physics,

682
00:39:49.785 --> 00:39:54.023
we do believe that the world is
multi-dimensional.

683
00:39:54.056 --> 00:39:57.060
More than just the three
dimensions of space we move through

684
00:39:57.093 --> 00:39:59.261
and the one dimension of time.

685
00:39:59.294 --> 00:40:01.364
Most of what
we understand about physics

686
00:40:01.397 --> 00:40:05.102
is probably best-explained
with extra dimensions.

687
00:40:05.134 --> 00:40:07.870
It becomes interesting to try
and figure out and understand

688
00:40:07.904 --> 00:40:11.408
what that means for things like
multi-dimensional beings

689
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.276
and how different thing
interact with our reality.

690
00:40:14.310 --> 00:40:17.814
And we're not even at the beginning
from a physics point of view

691
00:40:17.846 --> 00:40:19.716
to make statements or
understand about that.

692
00:40:19.748 --> 00:40:21.350
I think that's an area of
physics

693
00:40:21.384 --> 00:40:24.622
that we're gonna find
fascinating in the future.

694
00:40:25.254 --> 00:40:28.024
<i>I do think that the potential</i>

695
00:40:28.058 --> 00:40:31.862
<i>of extraterrestrial life
is there.</i>

696
00:40:31.895 --> 00:40:34.730
Do I think it's in
Alice's bedroom?

697
00:40:34.763 --> 00:40:37.200
No, I definitely
don't think she is,

698
00:40:37.232 --> 00:40:40.069
you know, waiting for the
next alien visit.

699
00:40:40.102 --> 00:40:42.305
But something scared her

700
00:40:42.337 --> 00:40:45.808
and that's what
we're trying to figure out.

701
00:40:46.276 --> 00:40:47.377
<i>What is it?</i>

702
00:40:48.343 --> 00:40:50.413
<i>I think it's something
paranormal.</i>

703
00:40:50.446 --> 00:40:55.419
<i>This is something ghostly, this
is something of our world.</i>

704
00:40:55.451 --> 00:40:59.890
<i>I don't think it's anything that
has to do with outer space,</i>

705
00:40:59.922 --> 00:41:02.392
<i>UFOs or extraterrestrials.</i>

706
00:41:06.830 --> 00:41:10.701
We are recording.
You ready?

707
00:41:11.433 --> 00:41:13.703
- You have everything?
- I was born ready.

708
00:41:17.741 --> 00:41:20.310
Let me just make sure
this bad boy is still...

709
00:41:20.343 --> 00:41:23.714
We're here tonight
to communicate

710
00:41:23.747 --> 00:41:25.915
with any spirit
that's in this house.

711
00:41:28.317 --> 00:41:30.319
We've been here
for a long time.

712
00:41:31.321 --> 00:41:33.390
We've logged a lot of
hours in this house.

713
00:41:34.022 --> 00:41:36.859
Any intelligent spirit
that's in this house tonight,

714
00:41:37.926 --> 00:41:41.230
we want you to come down here
and communicate with us.

715
00:41:42.198 --> 00:41:43.834
And make yourself known.

716
00:41:49.872 --> 00:41:53.042
There's devices to alarm to let
us know that you're near us.

717
00:41:55.044 --> 00:41:56.779
We want you to come down here

718
00:41:58.814 --> 00:42:01.217
and just like you have
many times before

719
00:42:02.218 --> 00:42:05.489
let us know that you're here,
let us feel your energy.

720
00:42:12.060 --> 00:42:14.263
I might've
just saw a light dim.

721
00:42:15.198 --> 00:42:17.868
It's the REM pod.
REM pod's going off.

722
00:42:17.901 --> 00:42:19.736
Chandelier light dim
right before that.

723
00:42:21.136 --> 00:42:22.939
Just by a few seconds.

724
00:42:22.971 --> 00:42:24.506
Don't worry about the MV.

725
00:42:24.540 --> 00:42:26.009
- Oh, we got a REM pod going here.
- The REM pod over here?

726
00:42:26.042 --> 00:42:29.145
All right, y'all go ahead,
I'll stay in here and watch this one.

727
00:42:29.178 --> 00:42:30.513
Steady.

728
00:42:33.515 --> 00:42:34.917
This one is off.

729
00:42:36.118 --> 00:42:37.353
It was steady.

730
00:42:39.922 --> 00:42:41.491
See, I have to see patterns.

731
00:42:42.257 --> 00:42:43.960
If all three REM pods goes off,

732
00:42:44.593 --> 00:42:47.830
I'm a little more interested in
this one where REM pod goin' off.

733
00:42:48.897 --> 00:42:50.399
I'd like to see
like the light go off

734
00:42:50.433 --> 00:42:52.569
and the REM pod to go
off at the same time.

735
00:42:52.602 --> 00:42:54.304
That'd be much more
convincing for me.

736
00:42:54.337 --> 00:42:55.806
Yeah.
That'd be pretty awesome.

737
00:43:01.343 --> 00:43:04.180
We're trying to understand
and help you communicate

738
00:43:04.214 --> 00:43:06.315
throughout
the years we've been here.

739
00:43:08.884 --> 00:43:10.286
Oh, we've got REM
pods everywhere.

740
00:43:10.319 --> 00:43:11.622
Oh!
Oh, all of 'em are going off.

741
00:43:11.654 --> 00:43:13.857
- We got one at the mantel.
- We got a big one here.

742
00:43:13.890 --> 00:43:15.558
One on the stairs,
um, I don't know.

743
00:43:19.094 --> 00:43:20.564
Brad, anything back
here going on?

744
00:43:20.596 --> 00:43:21.765
Just the REM pod.

745
00:43:21.797 --> 00:43:22.698
- You have the REM pod too?
- Another REM pod.

746
00:43:22.732 --> 00:43:24.935
All three of 'em
were going off.

747
00:43:24.968 --> 00:43:27.136
So, all three just went
off at the same time?

748
00:43:28.171 --> 00:43:29.205
- There it goes again.
- Which is pretty cool,

749
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:30.207
because I'd...
I'd mentioned before

750
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.109
about wanting to see
all three of 'em go off.

751
00:43:32.908 --> 00:43:34.544
And yellow and green.

752
00:43:35.245 --> 00:43:37.848
I can't get a center sell
without it going off, huh?

753
00:43:37.881 --> 00:43:38.949
Yeah.

754
00:43:38.982 --> 00:43:41.484
- Is that all?
- Yeah, that's where

755
00:43:41.517 --> 00:43:43.152
Yeah,
I'll just shut my mouth.

756
00:43:43.185 --> 00:43:47.223
<i>It's a little more interesting to me
for sure when all these devices go off.</i>

757
00:43:47.991 --> 00:43:49.993
<i>However, I'm still
not 100% sold.</i>

758
00:43:52.895 --> 00:43:55.431
We use
some uh, devices and

759
00:43:55.464 --> 00:43:57.633
uh, they measure energy.

760
00:43:57.667 --> 00:44:00.370
And uh, we had one set up
in the living room,

761
00:44:00.402 --> 00:44:02.471
one in the back bedroom,
one in the stairs.

762
00:44:02.504 --> 00:44:04.907
<i>We wanted to separate 'em
as much as possible.</i>

763
00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:07.410
<i>Uh, and we do that so
there's consistency.</i>

764
00:44:07.442 --> 00:44:10.647
<i>If one can go off, we can
manipulate another one.</i>

765
00:44:10.680 --> 00:44:13.015
<i>Uh, if they all go off at the
same time,</i>

766
00:44:13.049 --> 00:44:15.018
<i>that's... that's
pretty impressive,</i>

767
00:44:15.051 --> 00:44:19.122
<i>which is indicative
of some kind of energy,</i>

768
00:44:19.154 --> 00:44:21.190
<i>something... uh,
something going on.</i>

769
00:44:21.223 --> 00:44:22.593
<i>Something not normal.</i>

770
00:44:23.859 --> 00:44:25.928
<i>It's something, over the years,
I've just never had happen.</i>

771
00:44:27.430 --> 00:44:29.899
<i>The light of God surrounds us,</i>

772
00:44:29.933 --> 00:44:32.602
the love of God enfolds us,

773
00:44:32.634 --> 00:44:35.104
the power of God protects us,

774
00:44:35.138 --> 00:44:37.574
<i>the presence of God
watches over us.</i>

775
00:44:37.607 --> 00:44:41.311
<i>Wherever we are, God
is and all is well.</i>

776
00:44:48.183 --> 00:44:49.017
There's a REM pod going.

777
00:44:49.051 --> 00:44:50.319
Oh,
where's that REM pod?

778
00:44:50.352 --> 00:44:51.320
- Is that REM pod up there?
- Back bedroom.

779
00:44:51.353 --> 00:44:53.455
Back in that... you
or is it going off?

780
00:44:53.489 --> 00:44:55.091
Back room! Here.

781
00:44:55.123 --> 00:44:56.158
Okay, great.

782
00:45:02.064 --> 00:45:03.399
This room is heavy, man.

783
00:45:04.067 --> 00:45:07.270
<i>And as soon as I came in
the room, I felt uneasy.</i>

784
00:45:07.303 --> 00:45:09.239
We've actually had
two mediums

785
00:45:09.272 --> 00:45:11.975
who didn't know each other
and hadn't been here before

786
00:45:12.007 --> 00:45:14.611
and both of 'em said
that there was a figure

787
00:45:14.643 --> 00:45:17.314
that they felt a presence
of it near that chair.

788
00:45:18.181 --> 00:45:22.585
And that he really was stern
and... and guarded.

789
00:45:22.618 --> 00:45:25.422
He was like a guard for the,
you know the room,

790
00:45:25.455 --> 00:45:28.125
the place that
he felt like, it was his place.

791
00:45:29.625 --> 00:45:31.294
- Interesting.
- Just like that.

792
00:45:31.326 --> 00:45:33.629
I can't explain that...
that much consistency.

793
00:45:35.230 --> 00:45:36.466
That was wild.

794
00:45:42.238 --> 00:45:45.040
<i>Alice has had psychics
investigate the house before</i>

795
00:45:45.073 --> 00:45:48.010
<i>and she wanted to have
another one take a look around.</i>

796
00:45:48.044 --> 00:45:51.080
And I don't use psychics
on... on many investigations

797
00:45:51.114 --> 00:45:54.417
just because it's very hard
to quantify what they're saying,

798
00:45:54.450 --> 00:45:56.553
<i>but this was
important to Alice.</i>

799
00:45:56.585 --> 00:45:58.721
<i>So, we got somebody
from out of state,</i>

800
00:45:58.754 --> 00:46:00.222
<i>they came from California.</i>

801
00:46:00.256 --> 00:46:02.192
<i>One thing I did think it was
important is</i>

802
00:46:02.225 --> 00:46:05.127
<i>using a psychic or
a medium</i>

803
00:46:05.160 --> 00:46:06.996
<i>who has never been to
the house before</i>

804
00:46:07.029 --> 00:46:08.265
<i>and even furthermore,</i>

805
00:46:08.297 --> 00:46:11.667
<i>making sure they didn't have
any idea where they were going.</i>

806
00:46:11.701 --> 00:46:13.403
<i>She didn't know anything,</i>

807
00:46:15.004 --> 00:46:18.174
<i>only because that would lend more
credibility to what they were saying.</i>

808
00:46:24.312 --> 00:46:25.681
Very interesting.

809
00:46:40.797 --> 00:46:42.599
Oh, okay.

810
00:46:51.540 --> 00:46:52.908
Now am I...

811
00:46:52.942 --> 00:46:54.511
- do you just want me to go on in.
- Yeah, that's right.

812
00:47:00.082 --> 00:47:02.118
- Ring the bell.
- Yeah.

813
00:47:08.623 --> 00:47:09.524
- Hi!
- Hi.

814
00:47:09.558 --> 00:47:12.094
- I'm Jill.
- I'm Alice. Come in.

815
00:47:12.127 --> 00:47:14.196
- Nice to meet you, Alice.
- Nice to meet you, too.

816
00:47:14.230 --> 00:47:15.698
Thank you for having me here.

817
00:47:15.730 --> 00:47:17.466
Absolutely, we're delighted.

818
00:47:18.366 --> 00:47:20.669
- Where would you like me to go?
- The house is yours.

819
00:47:20.703 --> 00:47:22.672
- Okay.
- This is yours.

820
00:47:22.705 --> 00:47:23.840
Very good.

821
00:47:23.872 --> 00:47:28.343
So uh, what I'll do is I'm
just gonna start down here.

822
00:47:28.377 --> 00:47:31.081
I am not gonna say
too much at first,

823
00:47:31.114 --> 00:47:35.752
if you have any questions
though for me, feel free to ask.

824
00:47:36.585 --> 00:47:38.154
Okay.

825
00:47:38.187 --> 00:47:40.824
And I'm just gonna
sit over here.

826
00:47:52.401 --> 00:47:53.837
Hmm. Is this a door
to go outside?

827
00:47:53.870 --> 00:47:55.672
It is, you can open
it if you'd like.

828
00:47:55.705 --> 00:47:57.340
- Do you mind?
- No, not at all.

829
00:47:57.372 --> 00:47:59.608
- Okay, I have to do this.
- Not at all.

830
00:48:06.214 --> 00:48:08.285
I have to get out here
and look at this.

831
00:48:19.361 --> 00:48:21.397
It's very interesting.

832
00:48:27.270 --> 00:48:29.206
Can I ask you a question?

833
00:48:29.872 --> 00:48:31.707
Was there a house
that was right over here

834
00:48:31.741 --> 00:48:34.444
- that's no longer there?
- Behind Yes.

835
00:48:34.477 --> 00:48:36.179
That's what I thought, okay.

836
00:48:36.212 --> 00:48:37.681
That's important to me.

837
00:49:00.803 --> 00:49:03.339
What I like to do is I just like
to go through

838
00:49:03.372 --> 00:49:05.707
and pick some
really strong focal points

839
00:49:05.741 --> 00:49:07.177
and then I'm gonna
address them

840
00:49:07.210 --> 00:49:08.745
like I did with that other door.

841
00:49:09.978 --> 00:49:11.681
I'm just checking
everything out.

842
00:49:14.549 --> 00:49:15.551
Okay.

843
00:49:26.596 --> 00:49:27.831
This one now.

844
00:49:33.535 --> 00:49:34.637
Wow.

845
00:49:35.638 --> 00:49:37.973
There's a lot of different
dimensions going on,

846
00:49:38.006 --> 00:49:40.643
there's a lot of shifting
going on in this house.

847
00:49:49.518 --> 00:49:50.887
Okay.

848
00:49:52.020 --> 00:49:55.325
I'm gonna ask you a
couple of questions.

849
00:49:55.357 --> 00:49:59.696
About a week ago, I started
having some very unusual dreams

850
00:49:59.728 --> 00:50:02.332
that turned
into what I call a "series."

851
00:50:02.364 --> 00:50:05.334
I document them, I
have a dream diary.

852
00:50:05.368 --> 00:50:07.203
I also sometimes sketch.

853
00:50:07.669 --> 00:50:10.439
What is so unusual

854
00:50:10.473 --> 00:50:12.942
is as soon as I saw that door,
went outside,

855
00:50:12.975 --> 00:50:15.612
I knew this was the door.

856
00:50:16.044 --> 00:50:18.680
This is the sketch that I did,

857
00:50:18.714 --> 00:50:21.417
the walking stick leaning up
against the door.

858
00:50:21.450 --> 00:50:23.719
- Do you have a walking stick?
- Uh, uh, hundreds.

859
00:50:23.752 --> 00:50:25.754
That's... that's insane.

860
00:50:26.622 --> 00:50:28.491
With faces,
I collect 'em.

861
00:50:29.524 --> 00:50:31.427
I don't even know if
I should say this.

862
00:50:35.964 --> 00:50:37.834
- I don't know if this
- I'm a psychiatric nurse,

863
00:50:37.866 --> 00:50:41.270
I've heard of murder stories,
I've heard of abuse, everything

864
00:50:41.303 --> 00:50:43.739
I don't want you to panic, it's
nothing to panic about

865
00:50:43.772 --> 00:50:46.642
but it is to me,
it's a very sad imprint.

866
00:50:46.676 --> 00:50:49.346
There was somebody killed
in your backyard.

867
00:50:51.580 --> 00:50:54.750
I do think there were landowners
that lived here initially

868
00:50:54.783 --> 00:50:58.353
that did not treat
people so well.

869
00:50:58.386 --> 00:51:01.323
The male, I feel him here.

870
00:51:01.357 --> 00:51:03.893
I don't use this phrase
very often,

871
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.430
but he was an evil person.

872
00:51:07.462 --> 00:51:09.931
And I do think he had
something to do

873
00:51:09.964 --> 00:51:12.001
with the man that was
killed in the back.

874
00:51:14.837 --> 00:51:18.875
He's going to do whatever he can
to try to get you to give up.

875
00:51:18.908 --> 00:51:21.411
If he could burn this
house down, he would.

876
00:51:24.113 --> 00:51:27.350
Like I keep seeing
things on fire,

877
00:51:27.382 --> 00:51:31.353
it's constantly setting
fire, constantly setting fire.

878
00:51:31.386 --> 00:51:33.955
We had a number of people
who heard that.

879
00:51:39.094 --> 00:51:40.930
Then that's weird.

880
00:51:45.401 --> 00:51:48.404
You struck a thought.

881
00:51:48.437 --> 00:51:51.040
I've heard of history
of fires in this town.

882
00:51:54.009 --> 00:51:57.380
<i>Florence burned several times.</i>

883
00:51:59.047 --> 00:52:01.383
First time it was uh,

884
00:52:01.417 --> 00:52:03.518
facing west
and when they rebuilt,

885
00:52:03.551 --> 00:52:04.886
they built it north,

886
00:52:04.919 --> 00:52:08.924
so that's the reason it's built
with facing north now.

887
00:52:10.558 --> 00:52:12.527
Do we know
what caused the fire?

888
00:52:12.560 --> 00:52:14.663
And from what I know, they...
they don't know.

889
00:52:14.696 --> 00:52:15.931
I mean, you know?

890
00:52:15.964 --> 00:52:17.667
- But the fire created
- But there

891
00:52:17.700 --> 00:52:19.035
Wherever the fire was created,

892
00:52:19.067 --> 00:52:21.870
the... the uh, geographical
reconfiguration.

893
00:52:21.904 --> 00:52:23.306
Uh-huh.

894
00:52:23.339 --> 00:52:25.442
That's what... that's what he was
saying that ...that... that... that

895
00:52:31.446 --> 00:52:32.681
It's a fire detector.

896
00:52:32.714 --> 00:52:33.882
All right, right there
in the hallway.

897
00:52:33.915 --> 00:52:35.852
Smoke detector.

898
00:52:35.884 --> 00:52:37.419
We're talking about fire

899
00:52:37.453 --> 00:52:38.922
and the smoke detector
battery beeps.

900
00:52:43.692 --> 00:52:45.895
My neighbor
Erin next door,

901
00:52:45.928 --> 00:52:47.864
moved there when she was 5
years old.

902
00:52:47.897 --> 00:52:51.100
And uh, she's had a very
significant part in this house,

903
00:52:51.132 --> 00:52:54.437
but the main thing is that when
she was 5 years old,

904
00:52:54.469 --> 00:52:58.607
she would tell me that there was
something buried in the backyard.

905
00:52:58.640 --> 00:53:00.575
And I would say, "What?"

906
00:53:00.609 --> 00:53:02.812
And she would say, "It
might be a body."

907
00:53:06.448 --> 00:53:09.017
<i>I've lived
in this house next door</i>

908
00:53:09.051 --> 00:53:10.920
since I was about 5
years old.

909
00:53:11.553 --> 00:53:13.655
And ever since I've lived here,

910
00:53:13.689 --> 00:53:15.924
I've always thought there was
something different

911
00:53:15.957 --> 00:53:18.127
about next-door
even as a child.

912
00:53:19.861 --> 00:53:22.197
<i>Uh, I would walk
over there sometimes</i>

913
00:53:22.230 --> 00:53:23.598
<i>and one day I was over there</i>

914
00:53:23.631 --> 00:53:25.000
and I just had
a strong feeling of,

915
00:53:25.033 --> 00:53:27.202
"Oh, there's
something, something different."

916
00:53:27.236 --> 00:53:30.506
And uh, I was probably
6 or 7 years old.

917
00:53:30.538 --> 00:53:33.508
And I was just convinced

918
00:53:33.542 --> 00:53:36.879
that there was somebody
buried in the backyard.

919
00:53:36.911 --> 00:53:40.549
<i>And um, I... I told my parents
for years</i>

920
00:53:40.582 --> 00:53:43.885
<i>that there is somebody
buried in that backyard.</i>

921
00:53:43.919 --> 00:53:46.522
<i>And uh, you couldn't convince
me otherwise.</i>

922
00:53:46.555 --> 00:53:47.957
<i>And I... I still think that now.</i>

923
00:53:47.989 --> 00:53:50.725
I was very adamant about
it as a child.

924
00:53:50.759 --> 00:53:52.762
And I still get that feeling

925
00:53:52.794 --> 00:53:56.898
over there and when I'm in that
spot, I'm just driven to that...

926
00:53:56.931 --> 00:53:59.701
that particular area and I
always have been.

927
00:54:00.268 --> 00:54:03.038
<i>One time I... I said I was gonna
go dig it up</i>

928
00:54:03.071 --> 00:54:05.474
<i>and prove that
there was something there.</i>

929
00:54:07.643 --> 00:54:09.712
If you walk
between our house and Alice's,

930
00:54:09.745 --> 00:54:12.482
you'll see the property line.

931
00:54:12.515 --> 00:54:15.951
These big oak trees that
make a straight line.

932
00:54:15.984 --> 00:54:17.687
<i>That's the property line.</i>

933
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.922
<i>Seems like once you cross that
property line, you're...</i>

934
00:54:21.156 --> 00:54:22.959
- In a different dimension.
- You're protected, yeah.

935
00:54:22.991 --> 00:54:23.993
- Yeah.
- It won't let us...

936
00:54:25.093 --> 00:54:28.730
My parents sadly have never had
anything happen um,

937
00:54:28.763 --> 00:54:30.932
we never uh noticed anything,
heard anything,

938
00:54:30.966 --> 00:54:35.238
but the minute you cross back
over this tree line into her yard,

939
00:54:35.270 --> 00:54:38.707
it um... you can
just feel it that it's here.

940
00:54:40.276 --> 00:54:42.844
<i>I was visiting
with Miss Alice once</i>

941
00:54:42.877 --> 00:54:46.716
<i>and we were sitting in the dining room
up... under the-the chandelier light.</i>

942
00:54:47.616 --> 00:54:50.253
And she goes, "Look, look up."

943
00:54:50.285 --> 00:54:54.289
And I looked up and the... the
chandelier um,

944
00:54:54.323 --> 00:54:58.094
it had rotated itself
like with the chain,

945
00:54:58.127 --> 00:55:00.228
there was no tension in it.

946
00:55:00.261 --> 00:55:02.797
It was... it was tilted
on its side.

947
00:55:02.830 --> 00:55:04.733
And I screamed, I mean,

948
00:55:04.767 --> 00:55:07.169
real loud scream
and she screamed

949
00:55:07.201 --> 00:55:10.707
<i>and both of us jumped up and
ran over to the front door.</i>

950
00:55:11.573 --> 00:55:13.808
And the chandelier let go

951
00:55:13.841 --> 00:55:17.245
and it was swinging
so hard and far,

952
00:55:17.279 --> 00:55:19.181
like this, just going

953
00:55:19.214 --> 00:55:20.181
Like a pendulum.

954
00:55:20.214 --> 00:55:22.584
Yeah, it was scary.

955
00:55:22.618 --> 00:55:24.120
I've been scared over there

956
00:55:24.152 --> 00:55:26.089
and just scared
to go over there many times.

957
00:55:34.029 --> 00:55:35.231
Flashlight?

958
00:55:37.131 --> 00:55:39.232
Here, give you a light.

959
00:55:39.234 --> 00:55:40.270
Thank you.

960
00:55:40.935 --> 00:55:42.738
- Hey, Erin.
- Hey.

961
00:55:43.739 --> 00:55:44.540
So

962
00:55:44.573 --> 00:55:46.075
I'm doing well, how
are you doing?

963
00:55:46.107 --> 00:55:48.176
- Good, good to see you.
- You too.

964
00:55:48.210 --> 00:55:49.779
How are you?

965
00:55:49.812 --> 00:55:51.180
- I'm good.
- Long time no see.

966
00:55:51.212 --> 00:55:52.281
You doing all right?

967
00:55:52.314 --> 00:55:53.982
- Yeah, I'm hanging in there.
- Good, good.

968
00:55:54.015 --> 00:55:56.318
So, we're going to go

969
00:55:56.919 --> 00:55:58.087
to where you think

970
00:55:58.120 --> 00:56:01.024
there might be
something in the backyard.

971
00:56:01.623 --> 00:56:02.859
- Yes.
- Okay.

972
00:56:02.892 --> 00:56:04.727
- There are a couple of spots.
- So, we're gonna follow you.

973
00:56:05.761 --> 00:56:06.863
Okay.

974
00:56:14.236 --> 00:56:15.837
Watch your steps.

975
00:56:25.913 --> 00:56:27.882
So, you felt like drawn
to this spot, Erin?

976
00:56:27.915 --> 00:56:30.919
Yeah, since I was uh, probably
about 6 years old,

977
00:56:30.953 --> 00:56:32.721
I've always felt
that there was...

978
00:56:32.754 --> 00:56:34.089
there's
something over on this land.

979
00:56:34.122 --> 00:56:36.825
That every time I was in one
of... in this spot,

980
00:56:36.859 --> 00:56:38.828
one of the stronger ones,

981
00:56:38.861 --> 00:56:40.997
I just always
thought it was a body here.

982
00:56:41.029 --> 00:56:44.299
Or something significant
happened to the body here.

983
00:56:44.332 --> 00:56:46.067
But this is one of
the main ones.

984
00:56:46.100 --> 00:56:49.638
This was the one that I... I
came to when I was real little.

985
00:56:49.672 --> 00:56:52.708
We would come over here and
play like little tea parties

986
00:56:52.741 --> 00:56:54.076
And stuff at her backyard.

987
00:56:54.109 --> 00:56:55.143
She'd let us in.

988
00:56:55.176 --> 00:56:58.314
And I just didn't want to
come play in this spot.

989
00:56:58.346 --> 00:57:03.084
Erin actually did find four
bodies near the Pearl River.

990
00:57:03.118 --> 00:57:05.654
People knew they were
there from the Civil War

991
00:57:06.388 --> 00:57:09.290
and uh, and adults were trying to
find those bodies and they couldn't.

992
00:57:09.323 --> 00:57:11.660
That other guy told me that

993
00:57:11.694 --> 00:57:14.130
when he took me
along that sometimes children

994
00:57:14.163 --> 00:57:16.399
are more open to... to
things

995
00:57:16.431 --> 00:57:19.232
that adults want to be
close-minded to.

996
00:57:19.234 --> 00:57:21.303
And so, he wanted me to try it.

997
00:57:21.335 --> 00:57:22.837
And um,

998
00:57:22.870 --> 00:57:25.006
everywhere that I walked
over and they crossed,

999
00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:27.143
they put a flag
and then later that day,

1000
00:57:27.176 --> 00:57:28.678
went and did whatever they do.

1001
00:57:28.710 --> 00:57:31.113
And where I had marked, they
found all four bodies.

1002
00:57:31.145 --> 00:57:33.149
That validates
this one here.

1003
00:57:33.181 --> 00:57:34.250
- Validates, yeah.
- Right.

1004
00:57:34.283 --> 00:57:35.250
And what else.

1005
00:57:35.283 --> 00:57:36.852
How could you have more
validation than that,

1006
00:57:36.884 --> 00:57:38.754
that's impressive.

1007
00:57:38.786 --> 00:57:41.390
Well, you wanna try to do
a EVP session right here?

1008
00:57:41.422 --> 00:57:42.892
- Sure.
- Are you okay with that?

1009
00:57:42.924 --> 00:57:44.326
Oh yeah, take it around?

1010
00:57:45.426 --> 00:57:48.064
But... but you know, you
can grab onto me.

1011
00:57:48.096 --> 00:57:49.899
- Okay.
- You trust me after a few years, don't you?

1012
00:57:49.931 --> 00:57:51.767
Yeah, I'll do it, I'll
hang out... okay.

1013
00:57:52.433 --> 00:57:53.868
All right, you ready?

1014
00:57:53.902 --> 00:57:54.771
- Yeah.
- Okay.

1015
00:57:58.140 --> 00:58:00.475
Is there somebody out
here in the yard?

1016
00:58:00.509 --> 00:58:02.011
Or the land?

1017
00:58:05.747 --> 00:58:07.349
Can you give us
some kind of sign

1018
00:58:08.216 --> 00:58:10.952
that you're aware that
Erin is standing right here?

1019
00:58:14.323 --> 00:58:15.924
Do you know Erin?

1020
00:58:18.060 --> 00:58:19.362
Hear that?

1021
00:58:20.730 --> 00:58:23.299
- It's like rustling in the bushes.
- Yeah, yeah.

1022
00:58:29.538 --> 00:58:31.774
Is there something
buried in the yard?

1023
00:58:34.843 --> 00:58:36.377
I'm not gonna lie,
I jumped a little.

1024
00:58:36.410 --> 00:58:38.313
That was a little...
it was kinda loud.

1025
00:58:40.982 --> 00:58:42.785
It was kinda loud
whatever that was.

1026
00:58:45.353 --> 00:58:47.223
- Can you tell us what
- I feel like I'm gonna throw up.

1027
00:58:47.256 --> 00:58:50.026
- Really?
- Real sick.

1028
00:58:50.859 --> 00:58:52.328
Mm-hmm.

1029
00:58:52.361 --> 00:58:53.828
Just give me a... I just
need to breathe.

1030
00:58:53.861 --> 00:58:55.497
- Okay.
- Let me breath for a moment.

1031
00:58:55.531 --> 00:58:57.900
- Wanna walk out this way?
- Mm-hmm.

1032
00:58:57.933 --> 00:59:00.469
- Which way?
- Just over here to the bushes.

1033
00:59:01.870 --> 00:59:03.172
Oh my God.

1034
00:59:04.105 --> 00:59:05.507
- You okay?
- Mm-hmm.

1035
00:59:27.062 --> 00:59:28.364
You okay?

1036
00:59:29.897 --> 00:59:32.500
My stomach just got
tied up in knots.

1037
00:59:32.533 --> 00:59:33.334
It's okay.

1038
00:59:35.370 --> 00:59:37.006
I don't think
I've ever spent

1039
00:59:37.038 --> 00:59:38.975
longer than four seconds
standing in that spot.

1040
01:00:11.873 --> 01:00:15.143
Right now, we have
a dog roaming the property

1041
01:00:15.176 --> 01:00:16.344
and trying to see
if he can get hits

1042
01:00:16.377 --> 01:00:18.580
and see if he can pick up

1043
01:00:18.614 --> 01:00:24.554
on the scent of the bacteria
that feeds on human remains.

1044
01:00:45.473 --> 01:00:47.642
Probing the aerated soil,

1045
01:00:47.676 --> 01:00:52.547
so that if there is any cadaver
source here

1046
01:00:53.982 --> 01:00:57.052
it will allow the odor

1047
01:00:57.085 --> 01:01:00.122
to come up easier

1048
01:01:00.989 --> 01:01:05.261
and make it a little stronger
for the dog to be able to work.

1049
01:01:11.565 --> 01:01:12.935
Slight interest
and you can see

1050
01:01:12.968 --> 01:01:14.636
where he kept going back
to that one area.

1051
01:01:14.669 --> 01:01:16.204
So, I'm going to run him
through that area.

1052
01:01:22.176 --> 01:01:23.277
<i>If it's someone buried,</i>

1053
01:01:23.312 --> 01:01:26.415
<i>the dog's gonna show
a lot of interest to the trees.</i>

1054
01:01:26.448 --> 01:01:28.250
And if a body is buried
somewhere

1055
01:01:29.051 --> 01:01:31.020
and the trees grow up,

1056
01:01:31.053 --> 01:01:33.055
well they use the body as
nourishment.

1057
01:01:33.087 --> 01:01:36.257
And so, the tree takes on that
odor

1058
01:01:36.290 --> 01:01:38.227
and it's in their leaves
and things like that.

1059
01:01:52.674 --> 01:01:56.445
<i>He's going around
these clumps of trees.</i>

1060
01:01:56.477 --> 01:01:59.414
<i>These are the only trees that
he's looking up into, you know,</i>

1061
01:01:59.448 --> 01:02:01.283
<i>cause there are a lot of trees
on this property,</i>

1062
01:02:01.315 --> 01:02:04.620
but this section was
what he's showing interest in

1063
01:02:04.652 --> 01:02:05.821
and looking up into
the trees.

1064
01:02:05.853 --> 01:02:10.259
<i>It's kinda like when we did a
case in another state,</i>

1065
01:02:10.292 --> 01:02:12.127
<i>the body was buried</i>

1066
01:02:12.160 --> 01:02:14.296
<i>uh, and then they went back
and dug it up</i>

1067
01:02:14.328 --> 01:02:15.698
<i>and moved it
to another location.</i>

1068
01:02:15.730 --> 01:02:17.966
<i>The odor and the decomp was
still in the ground.</i>

1069
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:19.702
<i>So, it's that type of thing.</i>

1070
01:02:19.734 --> 01:02:22.971
So, yeah it could be way old.

1071
01:02:27.009 --> 01:02:29.745
<i>He's not given us
a definite location.</i>

1072
01:02:29.777 --> 01:02:32.381
He's just giving us where he is
picking up odor

1073
01:02:32.413 --> 01:02:34.549
and it's coming
through the trees.

1074
01:02:34.582 --> 01:02:37.652
It's the odor that he has been
trained for,

1075
01:02:37.685 --> 01:02:39.587
I would investigate and see

1076
01:02:39.620 --> 01:02:41.456
whether or not there
was a cemetery here.

1077
01:02:41.489 --> 01:02:43.993
And if they moved any bodies

1078
01:02:44.026 --> 01:02:47.129
and that may give you an
answer to why the odor is here.

1079
01:03:02.410 --> 01:03:05.646
We brought some cadaver
dogs over there, right?

1080
01:03:05.680 --> 01:03:07.216
Uh-huh.

1081
01:03:07.248 --> 01:03:10.585
Um, which they smell
decomposition and bacteria

1082
01:03:10.618 --> 01:03:13.622
that feeds on human bodies...
that sort of thing.

1083
01:03:13.654 --> 01:03:15.591
And those dogs were picking up

1084
01:03:15.623 --> 01:03:18.359
that odor in and around her yard

1085
01:03:18.393 --> 01:03:22.431
and so, we wanted to do a little
research and see if perhaps

1086
01:03:22.464 --> 01:03:25.601
there's ever been
any sort of evidence

1087
01:03:26.435 --> 01:03:31.239
of a burial there or a
graveyard at any point in time?

1088
01:03:31.272 --> 01:03:35.276
This is a picture of the
Florence Cemetery.

1089
01:03:35.710 --> 01:03:37.179
Right, yep.

1090
01:03:37.212 --> 01:03:39.315
This part that's clear

1091
01:03:40.114 --> 01:03:43.785
that is the original part
of the cemetery.

1092
01:03:44.419 --> 01:03:45.252
All this here?

1093
01:03:45.286 --> 01:03:47.221
- All of this.
- Okay, okay.

1094
01:03:47.254 --> 01:03:51.160
When the town burned, all of
the records were burned.

1095
01:03:52.426 --> 01:03:57.832
And there is not any records
anywhere on that part of it.

1096
01:03:57.866 --> 01:03:59.501
I see.

1097
01:03:59.533 --> 01:04:03.404
Do you think where Miss Alice's
house is that perhaps

1098
01:04:03.437 --> 01:04:05.506
there could have been
something like that

1099
01:04:05.540 --> 01:04:09.445
before record keeping,
like before it all burnt?

1100
01:04:09.477 --> 01:04:11.180
It could be, but if it is,

1101
01:04:11.212 --> 01:04:13.415
I don't think there is
any record of that.

1102
01:04:13.448 --> 01:04:17.152
So, if there was a grave of some
sort or a burial

1103
01:04:17.185 --> 01:04:20.122
where Miss Alice lives now,

1104
01:04:20.154 --> 01:04:22.524
it would've had
to have been before the fire.

1105
01:04:22.556 --> 01:04:23.524
Right.

1106
01:04:23.558 --> 01:04:26.795
In regards to this, where
is Alice's house?

1107
01:04:26.828 --> 01:04:27.863
Is it say, north?

1108
01:04:27.895 --> 01:04:30.531
- Okay. Right.
- Is it east or west?

1109
01:04:30.564 --> 01:04:33.367
All right, she's
on this Clear Branch road.

1110
01:04:33.401 --> 01:04:34.469
Okay.

1111
01:04:34.502 --> 01:04:36.838
So, it will be up here.

1112
01:04:36.872 --> 01:04:39.140
Okay, so her house
is somewhere...

1113
01:04:39.174 --> 01:04:40.843
Her house would be around here.

1114
01:04:41.475 --> 01:04:46.381
So, her house is around here
where the unmarked section is.

1115
01:04:46.915 --> 01:04:49.418
Right, it would be
on about there.

1116
01:04:51.252 --> 01:04:54.522
<i>So, there are plenty
of unmarked burials in Florence,</i>

1117
01:04:54.556 --> 01:04:56.625
<i>but no real evidence
to show</i>

1118
01:04:56.658 --> 01:04:58.761
<i>that it's right there
on Alice's property.</i>

1119
01:04:59.393 --> 01:05:04.366
But nobody knows where those
burials were prior to the fire.

1120
01:05:04.399 --> 01:05:06.667
After the fire, everything
was destroyed.

1121
01:05:06.701 --> 01:05:08.737
<i>All the records for the town,</i>

1122
01:05:08.770 --> 01:05:11.873
<i>so, there could have been
something prior.</i>

1123
01:05:12.473 --> 01:05:16.411
<i>We can't jump to any conclusions,
but we can speculate.</i>

1124
01:05:20.649 --> 01:05:23.852
<i>Would you ever consider moving
back into the house and living here?</i>

1125
01:05:23.884 --> 01:05:26.154
<i>What would it take?</i>

1126
01:05:26.788 --> 01:05:28.257
I uh...

1127
01:05:28.790 --> 01:05:30.893
if I didn't live here alone,
you know,

1128
01:05:30.926 --> 01:05:32.527
if somebody else lived with me,

1129
01:05:32.560 --> 01:05:34.395
I'd probably, you know,
I could do it, I could do it.

1130
01:05:34.428 --> 01:05:37.665
But... but alone here, uh, I
haven't come to that point.

1131
01:05:37.698 --> 01:05:39.901
I mean, I haven't been
to that place yet.

1132
01:05:39.935 --> 01:05:41.370
I really haven't.

1133
01:05:41.402 --> 01:05:42.603
I'm not saying I couldn't,
but I haven't.

1134
01:05:42.636 --> 01:05:44.205
I'm not ready yet.

1135
01:05:44.906 --> 01:05:49.145
Because I still, I still don't
know where I might end up.

1136
01:05:50.812 --> 01:05:52.647
<i>I hope
this process helps her,</i>

1137
01:05:52.681 --> 01:05:55.384
I really do, that's the goal,
that's what we're trying to...

1138
01:05:55.417 --> 01:05:57.685
I think we're 80% there,
to be honest with you.

1139
01:05:57.718 --> 01:05:59.187
I think we're about 80% there.

1140
01:06:00.422 --> 01:06:04.459
<i>Are we ever gonna get her back
in the house sleeping at night?</i>

1141
01:06:04.491 --> 01:06:05.460
I don't know.

1142
01:06:06.361 --> 01:06:08.797
I hope through this
process, it uh...

1143
01:06:14.969 --> 01:06:17.473
There's no crying in
ghost hunting, so...

1144
01:06:18.973 --> 01:06:20.741
<i>I want to get to the point</i>

1145
01:06:20.774 --> 01:06:24.912
<i>where we can get her
at peace with all of this.</i>

1146
01:06:24.946 --> 01:06:26.614
<i>She wants to get back here,</i>

1147
01:06:26.647 --> 01:06:28.517
<i>she wants to live here,
she wants to be in here.</i>

1148
01:06:28.549 --> 01:06:29.517
<i>She wants to do everything.</i>

1149
01:06:29.551 --> 01:06:31.286
She knew it was the place
to raise a family,

1150
01:06:31.319 --> 01:06:33.221
her daughter, her everything.

1151
01:06:33.254 --> 01:06:34.989
And uh, it was taken
away from her and uh,

1152
01:06:35.022 --> 01:06:37.559
we need to get that
back.

1153
01:06:38.692 --> 01:06:41.395
<i>The reason I still have
my house and I haven't sold it</i>

1154
01:06:41.428 --> 01:06:43.764
is because I really believe
it has a purpose.

1155
01:06:43.797 --> 01:06:45.801
I think, you know,
opening it up to people

1156
01:06:45.834 --> 01:06:47.736
is the way that
something will be found.

1157
01:06:47.768 --> 01:06:50.372
If I sold it, somebody else
might not be open to that.

1158
01:06:51.306 --> 01:06:52.942
<i>But I think there's more to it.</i>

1159
01:06:54.308 --> 01:06:56.644
<i>I think everybody involved in
this house</i>

1160
01:06:56.678 --> 01:06:58.779
has a real closeness,

1161
01:06:58.812 --> 01:07:01.282
a genuine concern
about each other.

1162
01:07:01.315 --> 01:07:03.417
<i>I really have enjoyed the
people that I've met.</i>

1163
01:07:03.451 --> 01:07:06.521
<i>Uh, I have a lot of special
affection for John and Brad.</i>

1164
01:07:06.553 --> 01:07:08.022
<i>I mean, I really do, I feel
like they're family.</i>

1165
01:07:08.056 --> 01:07:10.626
<i>And even though we have
our lives separate, from here</i>

1166
01:07:10.658 --> 01:07:13.461
<i>we... we are
definitely connected here.</i>

1167
01:07:16.598 --> 01:07:19.935
<i>It's been quite a ride
from the first day I was here</i>

1168
01:07:19.968 --> 01:07:22.337
<i>to my current uh, relationship</i>

1169
01:07:22.370 --> 01:07:23.638
<i>and friendship
with Miss Alice.</i>

1170
01:07:24.705 --> 01:07:27.942
Alice will be in my life forever

1171
01:07:27.975 --> 01:07:31.779
even... uh, maybe when I pass
away, when I cross over,

1172
01:07:31.812 --> 01:07:34.450
if she crosses over
before me, we will hang out.

1173
01:07:34.882 --> 01:07:36.884
If uh... if I cross over,

1174
01:07:36.917 --> 01:07:40.756
well maybe I'll kick
the ball down the steps on her.

1175
01:07:42.056 --> 01:07:45.493
<i>Being involved in investigating
paranormal activity</i>

1176
01:07:45.527 --> 01:07:48.797
<i>has become
a mid-life second wind for me.</i>

1177
01:07:48.830 --> 01:07:51.667
<i>It's something that I've found
that I really enjoy doing.</i>

1178
01:07:51.700 --> 01:07:53.801
<i>And couple that
with helping a friend,</i>

1179
01:07:53.835 --> 01:07:57.406
<i>Miss Alice, really has
been beneficial for my life.</i>

1180
01:07:57.439 --> 01:07:58.839
<i>It's just... it's added a...</i>

1181
01:07:58.872 --> 01:08:01.509
<i>a fresh chapter
in my mid-life years.</i>

1182
01:08:01.542 --> 01:08:04.345
<i>It's made me wanna get up</i>

1183
01:08:04.379 --> 01:08:07.482
and hit... hit the ground
running more in my life.

1184
01:08:07.515 --> 01:08:09.384
So, it's a very, very important
part of my life now.

1185
01:08:10.585 --> 01:08:11.620
<i>We're a great team.</i>

1186
01:08:11.652 --> 01:08:14.756
<i>We make time for each other
and I think that</i>

1187
01:08:15.489 --> 01:08:18.693
<i>we are locked in to figuring out
what's going on in the house.</i>

1188
01:08:20.028 --> 01:08:22.097
I would like to see Alice in a
happy place

1189
01:08:22.130 --> 01:08:24.466
<i>where she's satisfied
with the work that we've done.</i>

1190
01:08:24.498 --> 01:08:26.835
And I think she's gotten
some answers.

1191
01:08:26.867 --> 01:08:29.772
I think there's key answers
that she still has not had.

1192
01:08:30.604 --> 01:08:32.773
<i>And end game for the
Mississippi house.</i>

1193
01:08:32.806 --> 01:08:34.776
<i>In my opinion, I don't know if
there is one,</i>

1194
01:08:34.809 --> 01:08:37.346
and I think that this is a house
where we're learning,

1195
01:08:37.379 --> 01:08:38.479
we're teaching.

1196
01:08:38.514 --> 01:08:40.815
And I think it's something that
we can continue to do

1197
01:08:40.849 --> 01:08:41.884
for years to come.

1198
01:10:23.617 --> 01:10:25.553
- I put it on there this morning.
- Yeah.

1199
01:10:25.586 --> 01:10:26.921
What do you mean
you put it on this morning?

1200
01:10:26.955 --> 01:10:28.857
- I aimed my camera.
- You did?

1201
01:10:28.889 --> 01:10:31.660
- Hey! Check this!
- No, I aimed the camera

1202
01:10:31.693 --> 01:10:33.061
Check it, how do you check it?

1203
01:10:33.094 --> 01:10:35.197
- I don't know.
- I got chills right now.

1204
01:10:36.029 --> 01:10:38.166
Dude, that just did that.

1205
01:10:38.198 --> 01:10:39.768
I don't... wasn't near
it, nobody was there.

1206
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:40.868
I saw that.

1207
01:10:40.902 --> 01:10:42.938
- So, if we got that...
- Dude, here.

1208
01:10:42.970 --> 01:10:45.040
- We got that.
- Holy!

1209
01:10:45.706 --> 01:10:47.575
Do you know
how to check it on there?

1210
01:10:47.608 --> 01:10:49.210
How to bring it up on there?

1211
01:10:49.243 --> 01:10:51.078
Yeah, it's gonna be
quick right here.

1212
01:10:51.112 --> 01:10:52.781
That's okay.
It... it'll be...

1213
01:10:52.813 --> 01:10:55.249
Dude, come on, you gotta
be kidding me right now.

1214
01:10:55.282 --> 01:10:56.584
Don't believe it.

1215
01:10:56.617 --> 01:10:58.620
Yeah, here we go, here's
my last shot.

1216
01:10:58.653 --> 01:10:59.988
It was rolling.

1217
01:11:00.020 --> 01:11:01.790
- Yeah, we got it?
- Yeah, it's not there anymore.

1218
01:11:03.056 --> 01:11:05.727
All right, so I was inside

1219
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:08.830
and I was running around,
I'm trying to get this gear sent out,

1220
01:11:08.862 --> 01:11:11.899
because we have
gear shipping out today.

1221
01:11:11.933 --> 01:11:13.667
Got the camera,
I'm messing with that

1222
01:11:13.701 --> 01:11:15.703
and I'm just going inside
of the house.

1223
01:11:15.737 --> 01:11:18.206
And nobody
was right here at all,

1224
01:11:18.238 --> 01:11:21.009
nobody was in the house,
it was just me.

1225
01:11:21.041 --> 01:11:24.278
Uh, and I'm walking by and all
of a sudden, I hear this ball

1226
01:11:24.312 --> 01:11:28.050
falling, falling down the
stairs and there it is.

1227
01:11:29.850 --> 01:11:31.987
We're checking if we have
it on camera right now.

1228
01:11:33.554 --> 01:11:36.892
There's the ball and it
came from up there.

1229
01:11:36.925 --> 01:11:38.527
I like it,

1230
01:11:38.559 --> 01:11:40.261
but the fact that there's
people in the house

1231
01:11:40.295 --> 01:11:41.997
moving around, all that stuff.

1232
01:11:42.029 --> 01:11:44.099
- Okay, yeah.
- Just kinda makes me like...

1233
01:11:44.831 --> 01:11:46.600
I w... I was the only
one in the house.

1234
01:11:46.634 --> 01:11:48.569
- Yeah, it's true.
- You know what I mean?

1235
01:11:48.603 --> 01:11:50.071
- And I
- Yeah, you were outside.

1236
01:11:50.104 --> 01:11:51.673
I... I promise, dude.

1237
01:11:51.706 --> 01:11:53.842
Like I... this whole thing's
about honesty,

1238
01:11:53.875 --> 01:11:56.176
like I'm honest
with you guys.

1239
01:11:56.210 --> 01:11:58.647
I was walking with
the ball as it was

1240
01:11:58.679 --> 01:12:00.047
- We just saw.
- I heard a noise

1241
01:12:00.081 --> 01:12:01.181
and I looked over
and it was like

1242
01:12:01.215 --> 01:12:03.185
dunk, dunk, dunk,
dunk, dunk.

1243
01:12:05.286 --> 01:12:07.154
I mean we have like
f...-.

1244
01:12:07.188 --> 01:12:09.791
I mean this is the clip, this is
the footage we've been waiting,

1245
01:12:09.823 --> 01:12:12.193
like this is evidence that
we've been waiting to get.

1246
01:12:14.127 --> 01:12:17.299
- Who's that?
- Oh, that must be Alice.

1247
01:12:20.033 --> 01:12:21.835
Uh-oh. Oh, dude!

1248
01:12:21.868 --> 01:12:23.971
- Can you pull it back?
- Oh yeah.

1249
01:12:25.907 --> 01:12:27.609
What are... like what
are your thoughts?

1250
01:12:27.642 --> 01:12:29.176
I'm really curious,
what do you think?

1251
01:12:29.210 --> 01:12:31.046
Well... I mean, you guys see this all...
look see that

1252
01:12:31.078 --> 01:12:33.114
Okay, I'm gonna pause it,
I'm gonna frame this.

1253
01:12:34.282 --> 01:12:35.884
- Hey guys!
- Yeah?

1254
01:12:35.916 --> 01:12:37.618
- There's nobody in here.
- What?

1255
01:12:37.652 --> 01:12:39.254
- Get outta here!
- So, we had a door move?

1256
01:12:39.287 --> 01:12:40.556
I don't know.

1257
01:12:41.756 --> 01:12:43.858
But it... it sounded like the
front door opened or closed.

1258
01:12:44.626 --> 01:12:46.161
- But...
- No, I definitely heard that.

1259
01:12:46.193 --> 01:12:47.161
I... you thought it was Alice.

1260
01:12:49.130 --> 01:12:52.067
Dude, I got freaking
chills on my hand right now.

1261
01:12:54.234 --> 01:12:55.804
- Wait a second, look, no
- Get outta here.

1262
01:12:55.836 --> 01:12:56.804
- No, wait, wait, wait.
- What?

1263
01:12:56.837 --> 01:12:58.305
Let's hear that.
Okay.

1264
01:12:58.339 --> 01:13:00.341
I think the wind probably
blew it open.

1265
01:13:00.907 --> 01:13:01.741
Alright.

1266
01:13:01.776 --> 01:13:03.812
I mean that would
be my assessment.

1267
01:13:07.381 --> 01:13:09.183
- I think that's what it was.
- Okay.

1268
01:13:09.216 --> 01:13:10.384
- Honestly, I think
- Yep.

1269
01:13:10.417 --> 01:13:12.219
Everybody just for whatever
reason leaves this door like

1270
01:13:12.252 --> 01:13:13.287
this, it's never really

1271
01:13:13.321 --> 01:13:14.689
You know?

1272
01:13:14.721 --> 01:13:16.190
But that doesn't
explain the ball.

1273
01:13:18.725 --> 01:13:20.194
What do you think?

1274
01:13:20.228 --> 01:13:23.031
I mean it's happened in
this house many times.

1275
01:13:23.063 --> 01:13:24.965
Like eight or nine times.

1276
01:13:24.998 --> 01:13:26.969
So, I mean it's always exciting
when it happens.

1277
01:13:27.734 --> 01:13:29.371
It's always exciting
when it happens.

1278
01:13:33.206 --> 01:13:35.209
I mean that door sound
is interesting.

1279
01:13:35.242 --> 01:13:37.312
And you know the thing is, I
mean it could be wind, right?

1280
01:13:37.345 --> 01:13:39.147
We... well, yeah.

1281
01:13:39.179 --> 01:13:41.215
The doors open?

1282
01:13:43.785 --> 01:13:45.319
So, it closes by itself.

1283
01:13:45.353 --> 01:13:47.221
- Wait a minute.
- Well, assuming it's that door.

1284
01:13:47.889 --> 01:13:49.958
Because I thought it was that
front door

1285
01:13:49.991 --> 01:13:52.794
swinging open and
hitting the closet door.

1286
01:13:54.127 --> 01:13:55.663
But the door's open right now.

1287
01:13:57.364 --> 01:14:00.167
So, it either wasn't that door,
it was a different door.

1288
01:14:01.469 --> 01:14:03.372
Definitely sounded
like a door closing.

1289
01:14:17.285 --> 01:14:20.022
<i>A few days went by and I
was wondering what that noise was.</i>

1290
01:14:22.090 --> 01:14:24.759
<i>Something that I wanted
to figure out.</i>

1291
01:14:24.791 --> 01:14:26.428
<i>And it was just bothering me,
it was frustrating me for real.</i>

1292
01:14:27.461 --> 01:14:30.165
<i>It was a frustrating four
or five days, I think.</i>

1293
01:14:30.197 --> 01:14:31.999
<i>I was trying to figure
out what it was.</i>

1294
01:14:33.166 --> 01:14:36.671
<i>The camera back there, it was
aiming that way behind me.</i>

1295
01:14:37.170 --> 01:14:38.872
<i>And I noticed some movement</i>

1296
01:14:38.906 --> 01:14:42.010
<i>in the reflection of the
chandelier.</i>

1297
01:14:42.876 --> 01:14:47.682
<i>It has a brass ball like un...
un... un... beneath it.</i>

1298
01:14:49.015 --> 01:14:50.919
<i>So, I started
looking closer at that</i>

1299
01:14:50.952 --> 01:14:53.155
<i>and I zoomed in and then bam!</i>

1300
01:15:21.215 --> 01:15:23.051
<i>My heart started racing.</i>

1301
01:15:24.417 --> 01:15:27.421
<i>What I saw you know,</i>

1302
01:15:27.455 --> 01:15:32.093
<i>were two...
two different doors um, opening.</i>

1303
01:15:32.126 --> 01:15:33.995
<i>And then one of 'em
open and closed.</i>

1304
01:15:35.496 --> 01:15:38.132
<i>It was like something...
it was like something just came through.</i>

1305
01:15:39.233 --> 01:15:41.803
<i>It's one thing to capture
a door opening,</i>

1306
01:15:41.836 --> 01:15:43.805
<i>but it's really
a different level</i>

1307
01:15:43.837 --> 01:15:46.140
<i>when you see a door open
and then close itself.</i>

1308
01:15:46.808 --> 01:15:49.144
<i>Like that I mean I haven't
seen that before.</i>

1309
01:15:50.377 --> 01:15:54.215
Now I can't tell you what...
what the heck did that.

1310
01:15:54.247 --> 01:15:58.318
But something moved
not only the chandelier

1311
01:15:58.352 --> 01:16:00.154
but opened and
closed doors.

1312
01:16:03.190 --> 01:16:04.859
It's very interesting.

1313
01:16:05.593 --> 01:16:07.362
That's important to me.

1314
01:16:14.335 --> 01:16:15.504
<i>Theoretically,</i>

1315
01:16:16.103 --> 01:16:17.971
<i>a gust of wind
could open it maybe,</i>

1316
01:16:18.005 --> 01:16:20.108
<i>but open
and close it, two of 'em?</i>

1317
01:16:21.108 --> 01:16:22.811
<i>In theory, I guess
it's possible.</i>

1318
01:16:25.846 --> 01:16:31.152
<i>Don't forget you know, minutes,
minutes before that</i>

1319
01:16:31.986 --> 01:16:33.854
a baseball

1320
01:16:35.089 --> 01:16:36.925
was flipped down the steps.

1321
01:16:38.125 --> 01:16:39.895
<i>And the doors were closed.</i>

1322
01:16:41.028 --> 01:16:43.198
<i>Not to mention there was
hardly any breeze at all.</i>

1323
01:16:43.230 --> 01:16:45.332
<i>This is a Mississippi
hot summer day.</i>

1324
01:16:46.233 --> 01:16:49.470
So... so when you
bundle all that up

1325
01:16:50.403 --> 01:16:51.538
and you look at that,

1326
01:16:51.572 --> 01:16:54.509
that is some dramatic activity

1327
01:16:56.477 --> 01:17:00.215
all within minutes.

1328
01:17:02.483 --> 01:17:05.186
You see now we got lights like
coming...

1329
01:17:05.219 --> 01:17:06.822
yeah, those lights are
freaking out.

1330
01:17:13.327 --> 01:17:16.031
<i>I don't have all the answers, I
just don't think it was normal.</i>

1331
01:17:16.964 --> 01:17:18.600
You know, was it a ghost?

1332
01:17:18.632 --> 01:17:20.134
Yeah, it could be.

1333
01:17:20.166 --> 01:17:23.237
It wasn't a human
in physical form.

1334
01:17:38.653 --> 01:17:41.256
<i>This is... and this is
gonna continue on.</i>

1335
01:17:41.288 --> 01:17:43.992
<i>It's... it's not to the point
where she'll just be,</i>

1336
01:17:44.024 --> 01:17:45.460
<i>"Okay,
it's over with."</i>

1337
01:17:45.492 --> 01:17:47.227
<i>Until we can figure out what's
going on,</i>

1338
01:17:47.260 --> 01:17:48.662
<i>Miss Alice is going to
wanna</i>

1339
01:17:48.696 --> 01:17:51.431
<i>pursue and keep trying to
find the answers.</i>

1340
01:17:51.465 --> 01:17:52.600
<i>What created those lights?</i>

1341
01:17:52.632 --> 01:17:53.901
<i>And I'll be right by her side.</i>

1342
01:17:53.934 --> 01:17:56.504
<i>We're... we're gonna do this
together and figure this out.</i>

1343
01:17:58.973 --> 01:18:00.575
Bless Alice, Lord.

1344
01:18:00.608 --> 01:18:02.911
And be with her always.

1345
01:18:02.943 --> 01:18:05.179
<i>I think the attraction
to all of it is,</i>

1346
01:18:06.246 --> 01:18:09.884
<i>there's always been the
question, what's after death?</i>

1347
01:18:10.283 --> 01:18:13.220
<i>And anybody who hasn't thought
about, that is a liar.</i>

1348
01:18:17.023 --> 01:18:20.060
<i>I think if you find proof of
ghost,</i>

1349
01:18:20.094 --> 01:18:22.430
then you found your
proof of life after death.

1350
01:18:23.063 --> 01:18:25.299
And you don't have to
just take it on faith.

1351
01:18:25.332 --> 01:18:28.569
And we being human beings,
we'd like to have proof of it.

1352
01:18:29.202 --> 01:18:31.371
<i>Uh, I really think that's
the attraction of it.</i>

1353
01:18:31.404 --> 01:18:34.975
<i>I... I think that that will always
be the attraction of ghost stories.</i>

1354
01:18:37.979 --> 01:18:40.315
<i>I think this is one of those
mysterious areas of life</i>

1355
01:18:41.514 --> 01:18:43.517
<i>that this is gonna have to be
something that people deal with</i>

1356
01:18:43.550 --> 01:18:46.286
<i>in their own hearts, their
own minds.</i>

1357
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:47.654
<i>And come to their
own conclusions.</i>

1358
01:18:47.688 --> 01:18:49.556
<i>And just be true to themselves.</i>

1359
01:19:14.715 --> 01:19:17.552
When I was growing up,
my grandmother

1360
01:19:17.585 --> 01:19:21.756
told us one time that uh,
they had a ghost in their house.

1361
01:19:21.788 --> 01:19:25.559
Every night that ghost would
come there and go up the steps.

1362
01:19:25.593 --> 01:19:27.729
So finally, they decided they
would go

1363
01:19:27.761 --> 01:19:30.764
and they would find
out what the ghost was.

1364
01:19:30.797 --> 01:19:32.767
So, they went out that night

1365
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:35.069
and about
the middle of the night,

1366
01:19:35.102 --> 01:19:39.407
here come several goats
going up and down the steps,

1367
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:41.375
up and down the steps.

1368
01:19:42.609 --> 01:19:46.747
So, their ghost was
a goat ghost. Debunk.