1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:20,060 --> 00:00:21,361 - One night, 4 00:00:21,363 --> 00:00:25,657 I dreamt of taking a big group of women, 5 00:00:25,659 --> 00:00:28,663 for 20 days on a ship to Antarctica. 6 00:00:34,429 --> 00:00:37,327 It's like that wonderful T.S. Eliot quote, 7 00:00:37,329 --> 00:00:39,857 "At the end of all our exploring, 8 00:00:41,065 --> 00:00:43,361 "we come back to where we started, 9 00:00:43,363 --> 00:00:46,323 "and we know this place for the first time." 10 00:00:51,331 --> 00:00:53,724 And that as it slipped into my consciousness 11 00:00:53,726 --> 00:00:56,597 as a leadership expert was, "Oh my God!" 12 00:00:56,599 --> 00:00:57,861 Bam! That was it. 13 00:01:21,666 --> 00:01:23,399 Welcome to the Andes. 14 00:01:47,926 --> 00:01:50,724 The expectation, personally, I have of the trip, 15 00:01:50,726 --> 00:01:55,393 is it will be 70% as good as the next trip. 16 00:01:55,395 --> 00:01:57,391 And that there is high tolerance, 17 00:01:57,393 --> 00:01:59,430 for things not going to plan. 18 00:01:59,432 --> 00:02:02,830 Because the greatest learning anybody will ever have, 19 00:02:02,832 --> 00:02:04,624 is from the mistake they make, 20 00:02:04,626 --> 00:02:06,529 not from getting everything right. 21 00:02:06,531 --> 00:02:08,226 - I'm just letting them know that that's going to happen... 22 00:02:08,228 --> 00:02:09,526 - Have you seen me on stage? 23 00:02:09,528 --> 00:02:11,133 Have you seen me in many tricky moments? 24 00:02:11,135 --> 00:02:13,156 I'm so not gonna tell you... - You're always on stage. 25 00:02:13,158 --> 00:02:14,158 - No. 26 00:02:16,194 --> 00:02:18,164 - Yes, hello everybody. 27 00:02:19,326 --> 00:02:21,158 Oh my God, we did it. 28 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,156 What the fuck! 29 00:02:22,158 --> 00:02:23,394 - Hello. 30 00:02:23,396 --> 00:02:25,126 It's gone from an idea for a group of women 31 00:02:25,128 --> 00:02:26,161 to a global movement. 32 00:02:26,163 --> 00:02:28,628 Can I give you a hug? - Yeah. 33 00:02:28,630 --> 00:02:32,130 - Right now, the most sustainable propositions we have, 34 00:02:32,132 --> 00:02:34,226 is a place of women at the leadership table 35 00:02:34,228 --> 00:02:35,463 with a science background. 36 00:02:36,993 --> 00:02:40,931 So this is a leadership expedition, for women in science. 37 00:02:40,933 --> 00:02:42,523 Have I said hello to you? - No. 38 00:02:42,525 --> 00:02:43,694 - It's a 10 year project. 39 00:02:43,696 --> 00:02:44,665 Hello. 40 00:02:44,667 --> 00:02:48,428 This is the first 76 of 1000, 41 00:02:48,430 --> 00:02:51,965 on a ship for 20 days heading to Antarctica. 42 00:02:51,967 --> 00:02:53,527 - I know it's all happening. 43 00:02:53,529 --> 00:02:55,295 - When all is said and done in this project, 44 00:02:55,297 --> 00:02:57,998 what we will really test the project on, 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,995 is we are able to have an impact on the world. 46 00:02:59,997 --> 00:03:02,097 I don't know about anyone else, 47 00:03:02,099 --> 00:03:05,063 but it strikes me as glaringly obvious 48 00:03:05,065 --> 00:03:07,424 that the world is mightily short, 49 00:03:07,426 --> 00:03:09,432 of leaders who can collaborate, 50 00:03:09,434 --> 00:03:10,698 who are inclusive, 51 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:12,061 who have a legacy mindset, 52 00:03:12,063 --> 00:03:13,259 and are ethical with money. 53 00:03:13,261 --> 00:03:14,757 Does anyone else agree with me, 54 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:17,125 that maybe we need a few more people like that? 55 00:03:21,133 --> 00:03:24,164 Homeward Bound, it's an experiment in some ways. 56 00:03:25,330 --> 00:03:27,030 Leadership is easy when things are good. 57 00:03:27,032 --> 00:03:28,957 The ultimate test of leadership is, 58 00:03:28,959 --> 00:03:30,960 can you do it effectively when things aren't good? 59 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:51,929 - Antarctica is the picture frame. 60 00:03:51,931 --> 00:03:53,428 It's what we're fighting for. 61 00:03:54,892 --> 00:03:58,361 This exquisitely beautiful, fast retreating, 62 00:03:58,363 --> 00:04:01,366 last vestige of the way the planet was. 63 00:04:12,067 --> 00:04:15,294 There are some mission critical differences, 64 00:04:15,296 --> 00:04:17,424 when women are leading at their best 65 00:04:17,426 --> 00:04:19,032 that our world needs right now. 66 00:04:31,525 --> 00:04:33,099 - I'm working in Washington DC 67 00:04:33,101 --> 00:04:35,823 for a member of the U.S. House of Representatives. 68 00:04:35,825 --> 00:04:39,197 Less than 20% of members of Congress are women. 69 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:42,162 There's a lot of specific instances of sexism 70 00:04:42,164 --> 00:04:43,797 that you have to deal with every day, 71 00:04:43,799 --> 00:04:45,226 being a woman, both in politics, 72 00:04:45,228 --> 00:04:47,296 but also as a woman in science. 73 00:04:47,298 --> 00:04:49,961 And so, I hope that Homeward Bound teaches me 74 00:04:49,963 --> 00:04:52,257 how to overcome that. 75 00:04:57,201 --> 00:04:59,899 When I was child, my mom would bring me into the woods 76 00:04:59,901 --> 00:05:02,896 or to the streams or to the lakes in Minnesota 77 00:05:02,898 --> 00:05:05,599 and I would collect nature. 78 00:05:05,601 --> 00:05:07,366 Birds nest and birds eggs, 79 00:05:07,368 --> 00:05:08,824 skulls of foxes. 80 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,825 So I spent some time being a field biologist, 81 00:05:12,827 --> 00:05:15,898 working on behaviour of meerkats in South Africa. 82 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,626 But I wanted to be more impactful. 83 00:05:20,728 --> 00:05:23,192 I would hope that science underpins every decision 84 00:05:23,194 --> 00:05:24,594 that is made in DC, 85 00:05:24,596 --> 00:05:28,127 from climate change, to healthcare, to housing policies, 86 00:05:28,129 --> 00:05:30,094 I mean, this is all science, 87 00:05:30,096 --> 00:05:31,427 whether it's ecological science 88 00:05:31,429 --> 00:05:33,757 or social science or Chemistry or Physics. 89 00:05:36,393 --> 00:05:38,766 What we do in Washington DC, 90 00:05:38,768 --> 00:05:40,965 will impact the rest of the world. 91 00:05:40,967 --> 00:05:42,764 I mean, there's no question about that. 92 00:05:45,096 --> 00:05:46,361 I'm hoping that Homeward Bound 93 00:05:46,363 --> 00:05:49,424 is a very gender focused leadership training. 94 00:05:49,426 --> 00:05:51,229 So, here are the barriers 95 00:05:51,231 --> 00:05:52,824 that have been put up for women in science 96 00:05:52,826 --> 00:05:54,795 and here are ways to get around them or over them 97 00:05:54,797 --> 00:05:55,857 or tear them down. 98 00:06:06,729 --> 00:06:09,132 - I might be one of those women in 30 years who are saying, 99 00:06:09,134 --> 00:06:11,325 "I've waited my whole life for a woman president." 100 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:13,523 Like I saw my mom saying, 101 00:06:13,525 --> 00:06:16,957 "I think it's finally here." 102 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:19,729 I don't think she's gonna see a woman president 103 00:06:19,731 --> 00:06:20,731 in her lifetime. 104 00:06:24,666 --> 00:06:26,362 That's very personal. 105 00:06:31,832 --> 00:06:33,657 - Homeward Bound is a vision 106 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:35,429 of what would be different in our world, 107 00:06:35,431 --> 00:06:38,329 if women were at the leadership table, in equal measure. 108 00:06:40,363 --> 00:06:43,063 So, a little health warning for our job 109 00:06:43,065 --> 00:06:45,559 if we do our job for you really well 110 00:06:45,561 --> 00:06:49,698 is that all of you are gonna feel uncomfortable 111 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:52,432 at some stage in this journey. 112 00:06:52,434 --> 00:06:54,559 And if you don't, 113 00:06:54,561 --> 00:06:57,527 we will have in some way or another found you. 114 00:07:00,063 --> 00:07:01,960 Oh, feel free to come in now. 115 00:07:03,230 --> 00:07:05,624 We started about half an hour ago. 116 00:07:05,626 --> 00:07:08,728 Which part of 1:30 didn't you get? 117 00:07:08,730 --> 00:07:09,797 Stand up. 118 00:07:09,799 --> 00:07:12,323 I quite like public humiliation. 119 00:07:15,201 --> 00:07:17,625 Do you pride yourself on your logic, your intelligence 120 00:07:17,627 --> 00:07:20,026 and your ability to think things through? 121 00:07:20,028 --> 00:07:21,424 - I'm logical. 122 00:07:21,426 --> 00:07:23,593 - You're logical, yeah, okay. 123 00:07:23,595 --> 00:07:25,361 So I want you to look at your hand left or right. 124 00:07:25,363 --> 00:07:27,195 Look at that hand, you know that hand. 125 00:07:27,197 --> 00:07:30,059 See the brilliance of yourself there, 126 00:07:30,061 --> 00:07:31,395 your intelligence. 127 00:07:33,195 --> 00:07:34,494 Wipe it on your butt cheek. 128 00:07:37,865 --> 00:07:39,659 Leave all that sanity behind. 129 00:07:41,930 --> 00:07:43,257 Now you can sit down. 130 00:07:46,129 --> 00:07:47,492 - I'm a parasitologist. 131 00:07:47,494 --> 00:07:49,164 More specifically a malariologist. 132 00:07:50,564 --> 00:07:53,190 I think most people would think I'm a confident person, 133 00:07:53,192 --> 00:07:54,192 but I'm not. 134 00:07:55,397 --> 00:07:58,032 When I first heard about the trip to Antarctica, 135 00:07:58,034 --> 00:07:59,991 the first thing I thought when I got picked, 136 00:07:59,993 --> 00:08:03,630 was it must be a hoax because why would anyone choose me? 137 00:08:13,632 --> 00:08:14,589 When I get back, 138 00:08:14,591 --> 00:08:16,191 I don't know if I have a job. 139 00:08:19,792 --> 00:08:21,764 So I've been working on the same project 140 00:08:21,766 --> 00:08:24,158 for almost nine years now. 141 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,931 But my contracts, 142 00:08:25,933 --> 00:08:27,129 other than when I was a PhD student, 143 00:08:27,131 --> 00:08:28,725 have never been more than one year. 144 00:08:29,591 --> 00:08:31,032 I've never asked for a raise. 145 00:08:32,431 --> 00:08:35,092 You figure you're lucky to get what you're given. 146 00:08:39,033 --> 00:08:41,660 - It's a very tough competitive environment. 147 00:08:41,662 --> 00:08:44,257 Perhaps that just suits the men a little bit more. 148 00:08:44,259 --> 00:08:46,063 I don't know. 149 00:08:46,065 --> 00:08:47,296 Does it suit you? 150 00:08:48,362 --> 00:08:49,325 - Well, I'm a competitive person. 151 00:08:49,327 --> 00:08:50,725 Yeah, so perhaps it does. 152 00:08:55,101 --> 00:08:57,697 - Our lab is focused on how the parasite survives 153 00:08:57,699 --> 00:08:59,166 in red blood cells. 154 00:08:59,168 --> 00:09:02,593 So, when the mosquito bites you, it can put a parasite in, 155 00:09:03,667 --> 00:09:05,659 replicates millions of times, 156 00:09:07,465 --> 00:09:10,494 goes into your blood and that's when you get the disease. 157 00:09:13,931 --> 00:09:15,529 I was born in South Africa. 158 00:09:15,531 --> 00:09:17,662 Now when I was little, we spent half our time in England, 159 00:09:17,664 --> 00:09:18,758 half in Zim. 160 00:09:19,665 --> 00:09:20,993 Zimbabwe that is. 161 00:09:22,330 --> 00:09:24,560 In Africa, you're so much in the outdoors, 162 00:09:25,726 --> 00:09:27,890 and it really ignited a passion in nature. 163 00:09:33,396 --> 00:09:36,426 My uncle got me up in the middle of the night 164 00:09:36,428 --> 00:09:39,564 and he showed me that the stars move. 165 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,097 It's not the stars are moving, we're moving. 166 00:09:45,099 --> 00:09:46,962 And the idea that actually we're spinning 167 00:09:46,964 --> 00:09:49,928 at an unbelievable speed, 168 00:09:49,930 --> 00:09:51,032 it is just fantastic. 169 00:09:53,494 --> 00:09:54,957 I thought, "I wanna be a scientist. 170 00:09:54,959 --> 00:09:58,527 "I want to find new things and do exciting things." 171 00:09:59,660 --> 00:10:01,660 Also in Africa, I had a lot of friends, 172 00:10:01,662 --> 00:10:05,259 and I played with the son of a guard called Hamish. 173 00:10:05,261 --> 00:10:08,092 And yeah, one year he died. 174 00:10:08,094 --> 00:10:10,498 And, it was HIV. 175 00:10:11,999 --> 00:10:13,561 The thing that really stuck with me, 176 00:10:13,563 --> 00:10:17,066 was the unfairness that so many young died in Africa. 177 00:10:17,068 --> 00:10:19,731 And so, I think that's where I kind of always thought 178 00:10:19,733 --> 00:10:22,366 I'd work on HIV or malaria. 179 00:10:27,032 --> 00:10:32,032 2014, 500,000 people died of malaria. 180 00:10:32,898 --> 00:10:34,263 That's one person every minute. 181 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:38,523 What would happen if we eliminated malaria? 182 00:10:38,525 --> 00:10:39,833 Just think what what's happen 183 00:10:39,835 --> 00:10:42,292 to that third of the world's population 184 00:10:42,294 --> 00:10:43,696 that lives in tropical areas. 185 00:10:45,260 --> 00:10:46,329 Just think about that. 186 00:10:51,294 --> 00:10:52,792 The whole reason I do science 187 00:10:52,794 --> 00:10:56,526 is to make people's lives better, to reduce death. 188 00:10:56,528 --> 00:10:59,329 But, it's whether I'm good enough to stay. 189 00:11:21,593 --> 00:11:23,057 - Majority of the women on the ship 190 00:11:23,059 --> 00:11:27,164 are the only women in their department or in their school. 191 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:30,399 When you look at women in STEMM. 192 00:11:35,499 --> 00:11:38,658 Women are in low-level positions, in research institutions, 193 00:11:38,660 --> 00:11:41,162 and of course the numbers just dwindle, 194 00:11:41,164 --> 00:11:43,494 when you get to professorial level. 195 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,661 When women hit obstacles and they have no role models, 196 00:11:48,663 --> 00:11:50,932 and they have no one to turn to, they have no support, 197 00:11:50,934 --> 00:11:53,597 then they automatically blame themselves. 198 00:11:55,135 --> 00:11:58,229 If it's my personal failure that I can't advance my career, 199 00:11:58,231 --> 00:12:00,164 well, then I have no place in science. 200 00:12:01,530 --> 00:12:04,461 And so, that's the women leaking out of the pipeline. 201 00:12:06,530 --> 00:12:10,658 If the majority of scientists and engineers are men, 202 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:13,228 then that determines the kind of questions 203 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:14,923 that are asked in the first place. 204 00:12:16,132 --> 00:12:18,764 For instance, female crash test dummies, 205 00:12:18,766 --> 00:12:20,160 are really just smaller versions 206 00:12:20,162 --> 00:12:21,695 of the male crash test dummies. 207 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:24,229 They don't really account for women's physiological features 208 00:12:24,231 --> 00:12:26,727 say like that they have less muscular necks, 209 00:12:26,729 --> 00:12:29,663 so they're twice as likely to suffer whiplash injuries 210 00:12:29,665 --> 00:12:31,059 compared to men. 211 00:12:36,261 --> 00:12:38,429 There are 20 to 40% more likely 212 00:12:38,431 --> 00:12:41,323 to be seriously injured or killed in a car accident. 213 00:12:44,659 --> 00:12:46,899 It's another example of men's bodies, 214 00:12:46,901 --> 00:12:49,727 serving as the template for all human bodies. 215 00:12:49,729 --> 00:12:52,659 Everyone's experience brings something new to the table. 216 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:55,859 And so, having more women 217 00:12:55,861 --> 00:13:00,297 in groundbreaking research projects can help to change 218 00:13:00,299 --> 00:13:03,059 and challenge some of the biggest research questions 219 00:13:03,061 --> 00:13:04,665 that we're facing. 220 00:13:04,667 --> 00:13:07,193 - There is no enemy in this, 221 00:13:07,195 --> 00:13:09,393 other than not enough women. 222 00:13:09,395 --> 00:13:10,715 Mother Nature needs her daughters. 223 00:13:25,660 --> 00:13:28,597 - I see a black browed albatross. 224 00:13:32,330 --> 00:13:34,224 Oh, there's even another species there, 225 00:13:34,226 --> 00:13:35,758 a sooty albatross. 226 00:13:37,798 --> 00:13:39,658 So, it feels really good 227 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:42,693 because I've spent six months of my life, 228 00:13:42,695 --> 00:13:46,228 isolated on Subantarctic Islands working with them. 229 00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:47,799 And I have a huge respect for them 230 00:13:47,801 --> 00:13:49,899 because they're really declining. 231 00:13:49,901 --> 00:13:51,691 Their populations are really endangered, 232 00:13:51,693 --> 00:13:55,162 and I'm trying to figure out the drivers 233 00:13:55,164 --> 00:13:58,663 and the consequences for ecosystems. 234 00:14:04,933 --> 00:14:08,097 Albatrosses are very magical in a way 235 00:14:08,099 --> 00:14:10,259 when you see them for the first time. 236 00:14:10,261 --> 00:14:12,191 This wings span of three metres. 237 00:14:13,395 --> 00:14:14,824 They mark you, you remember them. 238 00:14:15,898 --> 00:14:18,523 But also they have a lifestyle, 239 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:20,929 that makes them very vulnerable. 240 00:14:20,931 --> 00:14:22,962 They can leave up to 60 years. 241 00:14:22,964 --> 00:14:24,526 They have a partner for life. 242 00:14:24,528 --> 00:14:26,499 They start breeding for the first time, 243 00:14:26,501 --> 00:14:29,292 at 10 to 15 years old. 244 00:14:29,294 --> 00:14:31,591 So when adults are killed 245 00:14:31,593 --> 00:14:33,657 by fisheries bycatch, for instance, 246 00:14:33,659 --> 00:14:36,393 the population decline quite steeply 247 00:14:36,395 --> 00:14:39,026 and they don't manage to recover. 248 00:14:43,025 --> 00:14:45,965 It's always a bit dreadful when you finish your PhD. 249 00:14:45,967 --> 00:14:48,863 You don't know where you're going to end up 250 00:14:48,865 --> 00:14:51,360 because you need to find job 251 00:14:51,362 --> 00:14:53,066 and that means moving, generally. 252 00:14:53,068 --> 00:14:56,691 And then I received an email from my current boss 253 00:14:56,693 --> 00:14:58,496 who said, "Look, I just got this grant 254 00:14:58,498 --> 00:15:03,129 "on albatross demography," which was my topic exactly, 255 00:15:03,131 --> 00:15:04,797 "Would you be interested in applying?" 256 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:05,991 And I was like, "Of course." 257 00:15:15,267 --> 00:15:18,096 The first time I walked down the streets of Cambridge, 258 00:15:18,098 --> 00:15:21,028 I had just finished my interview. 259 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:22,665 I fell in love straight away. 260 00:15:22,667 --> 00:15:24,066 Cambridge, Oxford, Harvard, 261 00:15:24,068 --> 00:15:28,064 they're like the top universities you can hear about. 262 00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:31,658 And with these, goes the top research labs. 263 00:15:31,660 --> 00:15:35,163 Famous scientists like Darwin, Newton, 264 00:15:35,165 --> 00:15:37,759 Watson who discovered DNA with Crick. 265 00:15:37,761 --> 00:15:40,362 I never really thought I would end up here. 266 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,023 - She's a specialist, 267 00:15:44,025 --> 00:15:46,724 and probably amongst the best half a dozen 10 people 268 00:15:46,726 --> 00:15:49,624 in the world, in that piece of science. 269 00:15:49,626 --> 00:15:53,829 They're doing it as a full life job. 270 00:15:53,831 --> 00:15:55,298 Nine o'clock at night, 271 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:58,393 I'll just email one of my team or one of my colleagues, 272 00:15:58,395 --> 00:15:59,998 I get a response within half an hour, 273 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,461 because science is almost a state of mind. 274 00:16:05,297 --> 00:16:07,757 - When I said that I was pregnant to my boss, 275 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,725 I had sweat coming from my head. 276 00:16:11,901 --> 00:16:15,432 Well, you feel ashamed and guilty in a way 277 00:16:15,434 --> 00:16:16,659 because you know 278 00:16:16,661 --> 00:16:19,228 you're gonna slow down the research process. 279 00:16:19,230 --> 00:16:20,832 And having a break is losing time 280 00:16:20,834 --> 00:16:22,999 in the race for permanent position. 281 00:16:24,363 --> 00:16:26,423 - And so the phrase comes into existence, 282 00:16:26,425 --> 00:16:27,892 "Publish or perish." 283 00:16:27,894 --> 00:16:30,462 Because if you publish, you continue with your career, 284 00:16:30,464 --> 00:16:33,027 if you don't publish enough and in the right places, 285 00:16:33,029 --> 00:16:34,191 you fall by the wayside. 286 00:16:37,495 --> 00:16:40,127 - Sometimes I wonder, "Even if I publish this, 287 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:41,758 "what is going to change?" 288 00:16:45,564 --> 00:16:47,994 As soon as I heard, about the existence of Homeward Bound 289 00:16:47,996 --> 00:16:49,960 I went to apply for it. 290 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,958 I think Fabian, she's incredible. 291 00:17:18,765 --> 00:17:20,627 She's completely crazy. 292 00:17:20,629 --> 00:17:25,429 But she has this power of catching you in a second. 293 00:17:25,431 --> 00:17:27,764 She catches your attention, she catches your heart, 294 00:17:27,766 --> 00:17:30,466 she catches the best of you. 295 00:17:30,468 --> 00:17:33,229 So, I'm really happy 296 00:17:33,231 --> 00:17:35,493 to have her taking me in this adventure. 297 00:17:35,495 --> 00:17:37,092 - Shall we all pick up a penguin? 298 00:17:42,825 --> 00:17:45,292 - We've been together for 11 years now, 299 00:17:45,294 --> 00:17:47,665 and we've been apart for five. 300 00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:48,931 He kind of had to follow me 301 00:17:48,933 --> 00:17:52,258 because I wouldn't give up on my job, 302 00:17:52,260 --> 00:17:54,163 which is my passion. 303 00:17:54,165 --> 00:17:56,197 But I wouldn't give up on him neither. 304 00:17:56,199 --> 00:17:58,899 - Put it this way, out of the last 11 years, 305 00:17:58,901 --> 00:18:01,230 we've only spent three in the same place. 306 00:18:02,129 --> 00:18:04,026 - Oh, wow, it is very difficult. 307 00:18:04,028 --> 00:18:05,098 That's why now, 308 00:18:06,297 --> 00:18:08,731 I kind of don't want to play this game again. 309 00:18:08,733 --> 00:18:10,526 - Often you have to go and work 310 00:18:10,528 --> 00:18:13,456 in the place that's gonna be most suitable 311 00:18:13,458 --> 00:18:14,690 for your skill. - Yes. 312 00:18:14,692 --> 00:18:16,523 It's not about the skills anymore, 313 00:18:16,525 --> 00:18:18,332 and people, as I understand, 314 00:18:18,334 --> 00:18:21,931 it's about who's ready to sacrifice more his personal life. 315 00:18:21,933 --> 00:18:23,756 What I feel is costing to my career, 316 00:18:23,758 --> 00:18:27,033 is this tiredness of this insecurity 317 00:18:27,035 --> 00:18:30,426 of having to move with your family all the time. 318 00:18:30,428 --> 00:18:32,259 And my partner is tired. 319 00:18:32,261 --> 00:18:33,790 Like, I've played the card, 320 00:18:33,792 --> 00:18:35,456 okay, you follow me, you don't have the choice. 321 00:18:35,458 --> 00:18:36,658 I've played this card 322 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:39,163 and now I need to find another solution. 323 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:48,725 We are in a chinstrap penguin colony. 324 00:18:49,634 --> 00:18:51,066 They're incubating their eggs. 325 00:18:51,068 --> 00:18:55,558 So, you can feel some tension for stealing pebbles 326 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,166 and for showing your the strongest 327 00:18:57,168 --> 00:18:59,956 and for keeping the little circle around your nest free. 328 00:19:01,232 --> 00:19:03,457 Their populations in the Antarctic are declining 329 00:19:03,459 --> 00:19:05,229 as the climate is warming. 330 00:19:05,231 --> 00:19:07,393 There is less sea ice, so there is less krill, 331 00:19:07,395 --> 00:19:09,498 so there is less food for these guys. 332 00:19:13,826 --> 00:19:16,125 Antarctica is such a symbol of what's happening 333 00:19:16,127 --> 00:19:17,328 on the planet. 334 00:19:17,330 --> 00:19:20,492 And it's one of the last wilderness as well 335 00:19:20,494 --> 00:19:23,125 but, we can measure our impact here. 336 00:19:45,096 --> 00:19:47,265 - If the people with the facts, 337 00:19:47,267 --> 00:19:50,132 do not know how to get their voices into public domain 338 00:19:50,134 --> 00:19:53,698 or to manage their emotions and their sense of self, 339 00:19:53,700 --> 00:19:55,495 when they are under onslaught 340 00:19:55,497 --> 00:19:57,728 and being told that what they stand for, believe in 341 00:19:57,730 --> 00:19:58,928 is bullshit, 342 00:19:58,930 --> 00:20:00,163 or being talked over 343 00:20:00,165 --> 00:20:02,127 by men who are more politically motivated 344 00:20:02,129 --> 00:20:03,764 or economically motivated, 345 00:20:03,766 --> 00:20:06,396 we cannot change the world. 346 00:20:06,398 --> 00:20:09,193 We really wanna know your leadership capability 347 00:20:09,195 --> 00:20:10,426 because if we can't nail that, 348 00:20:10,428 --> 00:20:11,925 if you can't deal with your story, 349 00:20:11,927 --> 00:20:16,824 when you run into a significant obstacle, it will undo you. 350 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:20,430 And I already know the stories in the room. 351 00:20:20,432 --> 00:20:24,795 I know how many of you have been either sexually harassed, 352 00:20:24,797 --> 00:20:26,196 have been bullied. 353 00:20:26,198 --> 00:20:30,263 When those came through, I was furious 354 00:20:30,265 --> 00:20:34,064 because there the centre of the downside of life, 355 00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:38,127 was harassment, abuse, sexual harassment. 356 00:20:38,129 --> 00:20:40,090 And the worst part of this, 357 00:20:40,092 --> 00:20:44,790 is we keep being given the notion that it is meritocracy, 358 00:20:44,792 --> 00:20:47,128 which allows you to be selected to leadership. 359 00:20:47,130 --> 00:20:50,923 And it is unequivocally bullshit. 360 00:21:05,132 --> 00:21:07,297 - So my reasoning for coming on this, 361 00:21:07,299 --> 00:21:10,262 was to get the message out there of what happens, 362 00:21:10,264 --> 00:21:12,758 what the reality is on site for women, 363 00:21:13,967 --> 00:21:18,026 that will help me get over my demons I think. 364 00:21:19,693 --> 00:21:22,033 I'm normally outside on a construction site 365 00:21:22,035 --> 00:21:25,131 or a mine site, the only female with 40 other men. 366 00:21:26,534 --> 00:21:28,024 At this particular site 367 00:21:28,026 --> 00:21:29,962 that I had been going back and forth to for five years, 368 00:21:29,964 --> 00:21:31,394 it was my favourite site. 369 00:21:31,396 --> 00:21:33,064 I got to know the guys really, really well. 370 00:21:33,066 --> 00:21:35,630 We did say often how we were a little family. 371 00:21:37,662 --> 00:21:40,697 - One of the guys spiked my colleague and I, 372 00:21:40,699 --> 00:21:41,923 our drinks one night, 373 00:21:43,431 --> 00:21:46,527 and luckily she caught him in the act of doing that. 374 00:21:47,959 --> 00:21:49,665 And he just kept saying, "Don't worry, just drink it. 375 00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:51,457 "Just drink, it's nothing." 376 00:21:51,459 --> 00:21:53,559 But, what did he put in our can? 377 00:21:53,561 --> 00:21:55,690 If it's something to put us to sleep, 378 00:21:55,692 --> 00:21:58,390 we realised our doors don't lock. 379 00:22:02,125 --> 00:22:05,597 What shocked us the most was we counted ourselves as equal 380 00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:06,823 with these guys. 381 00:22:06,825 --> 00:22:08,931 There were other guys around at the time, 382 00:22:08,933 --> 00:22:10,956 and they didn't really say anything. 383 00:22:12,525 --> 00:22:15,592 I hold trust and loyalty high. 384 00:22:15,594 --> 00:22:18,160 And to have someone you trust do that, 385 00:22:18,162 --> 00:22:19,362 kinda rips your soul out. 386 00:22:20,561 --> 00:22:24,191 And I don't know how to move on from it. 387 00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:35,060 - The content that we're working with is really tough, 388 00:22:35,062 --> 00:22:36,357 it's really arresting. 389 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,698 These are things that... 390 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:39,199 People are dealing with issues 391 00:22:39,201 --> 00:22:42,295 that have been buried and compartmentalise and put away. 392 00:22:42,297 --> 00:22:45,499 And it's being opened up and faced into. 393 00:22:45,501 --> 00:22:46,890 - Nobody supported you. 394 00:22:48,327 --> 00:22:50,131 Nobody came and got your back. 395 00:22:52,901 --> 00:22:54,959 - Yeah, I know, I was just thinking it. 396 00:22:54,961 --> 00:22:57,259 - I was 25, 397 00:22:57,261 --> 00:22:59,659 when I first went to work 398 00:23:00,792 --> 00:23:03,762 in a semi remote place, where there was 28 men 399 00:23:03,764 --> 00:23:04,890 and there was me, 400 00:23:06,299 --> 00:23:07,966 and they made it pretty clear that I wasn't welcome. 401 00:23:07,968 --> 00:23:10,094 People said, "We don't have women scientists. 402 00:23:10,096 --> 00:23:11,493 "What are you doing here?" 403 00:23:11,495 --> 00:23:14,130 But one weekend one of the guys got a gun, 404 00:23:14,132 --> 00:23:16,896 and sort of head height in my hut and went, 405 00:23:16,898 --> 00:23:18,258 "Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang!" 406 00:23:18,260 --> 00:23:19,692 So, when I came back, 407 00:23:19,694 --> 00:23:21,964 there's just shotgun holes all through my shed. 408 00:23:21,966 --> 00:23:23,863 Nobody said anything to me about it. 409 00:23:23,865 --> 00:23:27,097 Like, let alone, "Are you okay?" 410 00:23:27,099 --> 00:23:28,995 You know, it was my first proper job. 411 00:23:28,997 --> 00:23:31,162 I didn't wanna make any waves. 412 00:23:31,164 --> 00:23:32,625 Well, you know how in gender issues 413 00:23:32,627 --> 00:23:34,997 we talk about you can't be what you can't see, 414 00:23:34,999 --> 00:23:37,762 and it's exactly the same for men. 415 00:23:37,764 --> 00:23:38,964 So I don't see men 416 00:23:38,966 --> 00:23:40,360 behaving in a really respectful way. 417 00:23:40,362 --> 00:23:42,756 They're not gonna behave that way. 418 00:23:42,758 --> 00:23:44,093 - We can do all of this great stuff. 419 00:23:44,095 --> 00:23:45,595 And like I've said, 420 00:23:45,597 --> 00:23:49,698 I would like to mentor other future female field scientists. 421 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:51,595 But that's not the issue there. 422 00:23:51,597 --> 00:23:54,731 The issue is, the guys acting the way they're acting. 423 00:23:54,733 --> 00:23:55,727 - Men's behaviour? 424 00:23:55,729 --> 00:23:56,729 - Yeah. 425 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:02,024 - Hi everyone, I'm Lauren Sandon, 426 00:24:02,026 --> 00:24:06,166 your friendly contaminated sites environmental scientists. 427 00:24:06,168 --> 00:24:09,592 A lot of us women on site tend to feel very isolated. 428 00:24:09,594 --> 00:24:12,693 For me, after six years, I built up a wall. 429 00:24:12,695 --> 00:24:15,465 I was forced to adapt and become one of the boys. 430 00:24:15,467 --> 00:24:16,856 Enough is enough. 431 00:24:16,858 --> 00:24:19,659 We shouldn't have to fit into a socio norm, 432 00:24:19,661 --> 00:24:22,863 that forces you to sacrifice your true self. 433 00:24:22,865 --> 00:24:24,961 I'm now ready to challenge this, 434 00:24:24,963 --> 00:24:26,559 but I can't do it alone. 435 00:24:26,561 --> 00:24:28,556 So I'm now reaching out to all of you 436 00:24:28,558 --> 00:24:30,199 to help share your stories, 437 00:24:30,201 --> 00:24:32,793 and your experiences and how we can move this forward. 438 00:24:32,795 --> 00:24:36,794 So that our future sisters, granddaughters, daughters, 439 00:24:36,796 --> 00:24:39,797 and friends, don't have to be someone else that they're not. 440 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,157 And they can be their true self. 441 00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:43,159 Thank you. 442 00:24:51,466 --> 00:24:52,466 - One night, 443 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:57,424 with a colleague, we were supposed to be talking about work, 444 00:24:57,426 --> 00:24:58,791 I had to hand over some work, 445 00:24:58,793 --> 00:25:02,132 and he started trying to take my clothes off 446 00:25:02,134 --> 00:25:04,391 and I tried to fight him off saying no and everything 447 00:25:04,393 --> 00:25:07,593 but, I never told anyone. 448 00:25:09,434 --> 00:25:11,364 Yeah, and I... 449 00:25:11,366 --> 00:25:14,560 Yeah, I just wanted to leave that kind of field after that. 450 00:25:16,025 --> 00:25:19,261 Yeah, you don't wanna ever have to have your career, 451 00:25:19,263 --> 00:25:21,857 riding on what they say about you. 452 00:25:23,534 --> 00:25:25,460 That's the biggest issue 453 00:25:25,462 --> 00:25:28,957 is that, do I lose a career over this? 454 00:25:28,959 --> 00:25:33,263 Still that kind of deep fear inside is pretty big. 455 00:25:54,967 --> 00:25:56,492 - When there are so few women 456 00:25:56,494 --> 00:25:58,559 in certain scientific disciplines, 457 00:25:58,561 --> 00:26:00,496 it's a bad thing if you make yourself known 458 00:26:00,498 --> 00:26:04,130 or if you complain or if you require a special treatment. 459 00:26:04,132 --> 00:26:07,158 And so, to a certain extent women are trained 460 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,395 to be invisible. 461 00:26:13,296 --> 00:26:14,792 - I just never even considered it 462 00:26:14,794 --> 00:26:16,866 until I started talking to some of the other women 463 00:26:16,868 --> 00:26:19,231 and the stuff that they'd experienced. 464 00:26:19,233 --> 00:26:21,162 When you're made to feel uncomfortable in some way 465 00:26:21,164 --> 00:26:23,763 or sexually assaulted, it's huge. 466 00:26:23,765 --> 00:26:25,999 And it can't just be me. 467 00:26:27,199 --> 00:26:28,460 - Almost all the women I've talked to 468 00:26:28,462 --> 00:26:29,658 said this is the most women in science 469 00:26:29,660 --> 00:26:32,093 that they've ever seen in a room at once. 470 00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:37,929 - Happy? 471 00:26:38,699 --> 00:26:39,699 - Ecstatic. 472 00:26:40,931 --> 00:26:42,999 - Oh, it's so nice to hear that. 473 00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:45,562 Some happy faces. 474 00:26:46,765 --> 00:26:48,199 That's what we need. 475 00:26:48,201 --> 00:26:50,758 - So many people have been coming up and offering support 476 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,357 and advice and saying, thank you for sharing. 477 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,928 So, that's been lovely. 478 00:26:55,930 --> 00:26:57,131 And now it's funny. 479 00:26:57,997 --> 00:26:59,462 It's allowing people to come up 480 00:26:59,464 --> 00:27:02,724 and share their stories with me and ask my advice. 481 00:27:02,726 --> 00:27:05,296 So, it's been really, really nice, yeah. 482 00:27:06,429 --> 00:27:08,556 - This is probably the absolute heartland 483 00:27:08,558 --> 00:27:10,166 of the change we're gonna try 484 00:27:10,168 --> 00:27:13,664 and help these scientists with because we'll know the data. 485 00:27:13,666 --> 00:27:15,199 We all know the stats 486 00:27:15,201 --> 00:27:16,896 on how many women have dealt with very significant issues 487 00:27:16,898 --> 00:27:18,791 at some stage in their lives. 488 00:27:18,793 --> 00:27:20,624 So we're helping them look at those stories 489 00:27:20,626 --> 00:27:22,026 and then find a way to let them go. 490 00:27:22,028 --> 00:27:23,430 So they can step 491 00:27:23,432 --> 00:27:26,224 into being the sort of leaders they actually wanna be. 492 00:27:31,692 --> 00:27:34,092 - Look how fast we reach the ice, 493 00:27:34,094 --> 00:27:36,028 then the channel. 494 00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:38,424 - The dark art of reading ice. 495 00:27:38,426 --> 00:27:40,829 It looks okay in there as well. 496 00:27:40,831 --> 00:27:42,064 I've been here a lot, 497 00:27:42,066 --> 00:27:43,731 but you never know what to expect of it 498 00:27:43,733 --> 00:27:45,927 from one day to the next. 499 00:27:45,929 --> 00:27:47,531 So, it's quixotic. 500 00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:48,533 You can't pick it. 501 00:27:49,327 --> 00:27:50,558 And there are lines in it 502 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,291 and bubbles in it and colours in it, 503 00:27:52,293 --> 00:27:54,160 which tell of the story 504 00:27:54,162 --> 00:27:57,798 and the volatility of it. 505 00:28:02,228 --> 00:28:03,693 - Pretty excited about his one 506 00:28:03,695 --> 00:28:07,064 because this is a really difficult place to get to, 507 00:28:07,066 --> 00:28:11,162 and the conditions are very volatile here. 508 00:28:11,164 --> 00:28:13,232 Captain's happy with the position. 509 00:28:13,234 --> 00:28:18,197 We're now adjacent to a good landing place on Paulet Island. 510 00:28:19,596 --> 00:28:23,163 And on top of that, a vast Adelie penguin colony. 511 00:28:23,165 --> 00:28:25,390 They're on the starboard side of the ship. 512 00:28:47,261 --> 00:28:49,328 - When I was nine years old, 513 00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:53,229 I received a set of six photos of Antarctica 514 00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:56,559 from my mom's colleague, who I call Uncle Lee. 515 00:28:56,561 --> 00:28:58,896 And I always thought as a young child, 516 00:28:58,898 --> 00:29:00,558 that he had been to Antarctica 517 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,891 with the first Chinese scientist, 518 00:29:02,893 --> 00:29:05,795 and brought those photos for me as a special gift. 519 00:29:16,034 --> 00:29:18,292 So those were my most precious possessions. 520 00:29:18,294 --> 00:29:20,531 I've always wanted to come. 521 00:29:21,792 --> 00:29:24,562 I've remembered this for like over 20 years. 522 00:29:24,564 --> 00:29:27,859 And my mom said, "I don't remember he's ever being abroad. 523 00:29:27,861 --> 00:29:31,762 "It's probably not possible that he'd ever gone there." 524 00:30:07,294 --> 00:30:08,932 - After high school, 525 00:30:08,934 --> 00:30:12,024 I studied abroad at Cambridge University, 526 00:30:12,026 --> 00:30:15,761 and followed by that a Master of Business Administration, 527 00:30:15,763 --> 00:30:16,763 at Oxford. 528 00:30:18,327 --> 00:30:19,997 In China, there is a saying, 529 00:30:19,999 --> 00:30:22,965 "The female PhD is the third gender." 530 00:30:22,967 --> 00:30:26,890 So there's women, men, and the female PhD. 531 00:30:28,261 --> 00:30:30,064 The Copenhagen Climate Summit 532 00:30:30,066 --> 00:30:32,296 is when I suddenly woke up and realised 533 00:30:32,298 --> 00:30:35,262 that what I really cared about as nine-year-old, 534 00:30:35,264 --> 00:30:37,764 and what I really cared about as a 22 year old 535 00:30:37,766 --> 00:30:40,294 was practically the same. 536 00:30:40,296 --> 00:30:41,764 Since then, I have been very active 537 00:30:41,766 --> 00:30:44,465 in climate change activism. 538 00:31:10,264 --> 00:31:12,560 - My parents say, I'm like a. 539 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,766 Like in Chinese where she say, "A person of six nos." 540 00:31:16,768 --> 00:31:19,931 So you have like no house, no cars, 541 00:31:19,933 --> 00:31:24,065 no stable job, no good insurance, 542 00:31:25,326 --> 00:31:28,759 no husband, no children. 543 00:31:28,761 --> 00:31:32,066 And that's, for my parents, sometimes not very nice 544 00:31:32,068 --> 00:31:36,193 because definitely the 5,000 year old Chinese wisdom 545 00:31:36,195 --> 00:31:37,663 say, "Family is crucial." 546 00:31:41,134 --> 00:31:43,498 - China is now the biggest carbon emitter 547 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:45,024 in the world. 548 00:31:45,026 --> 00:31:49,362 So China emit the most carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. 549 00:32:16,795 --> 00:32:19,665 - Every day I've been taking a video diary, 550 00:32:19,667 --> 00:32:21,992 trying to explain that here, 551 00:32:21,994 --> 00:32:24,991 you could feel the wildlife of nature to be so close to you, 552 00:32:24,993 --> 00:32:28,931 and that's something a lot of children or people in China, 553 00:32:28,933 --> 00:32:30,731 who haven't experienced that growing up 554 00:32:30,733 --> 00:32:32,126 if they grew up in the city. 555 00:32:33,196 --> 00:32:35,429 And kind of just being respectful 556 00:32:35,431 --> 00:32:39,257 of the deep time that this spot has gone through. 557 00:32:51,926 --> 00:32:54,693 - At Oxford, we had a whole course on leadership. 558 00:32:54,695 --> 00:32:57,391 Leadership fundamentals, leadership in different domains, 559 00:32:57,393 --> 00:32:59,065 different types of leadership. 560 00:33:00,197 --> 00:33:02,429 I know a lot of leadership theory, 561 00:33:02,431 --> 00:33:05,830 but doesn't mean that I could act as a good leader. 562 00:33:05,832 --> 00:33:08,259 I wrote an email to Fabian, 563 00:33:08,261 --> 00:33:09,995 and explained that I could help 564 00:33:09,997 --> 00:33:11,832 with planning outreaching China, 565 00:33:11,834 --> 00:33:14,132 because I looked at the participants 566 00:33:14,134 --> 00:33:17,933 and there weren't anybody from different cultures. 567 00:33:17,935 --> 00:33:20,826 And that she said, "Welcome to the faculty." 568 00:33:23,861 --> 00:33:25,731 - If you've ever sat back in your arm chair and wondered, 569 00:33:25,733 --> 00:33:28,061 "How to global movements start," 570 00:33:28,063 --> 00:33:29,896 they absolutely start like this. 571 00:33:29,898 --> 00:33:31,628 I'm gonna invite Songqiao, 572 00:33:31,630 --> 00:33:35,797 to tell you what's happened with media 'cause it's amazing. 573 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,556 - Very quickly, it's just being- 574 00:33:37,558 --> 00:33:39,465 - No, do it slowly and loudly. 575 00:33:41,627 --> 00:33:45,965 - We have been getting more media coverage, 576 00:33:45,967 --> 00:33:48,795 including features from The Huffington Post, 577 00:33:48,797 --> 00:33:50,098 The Independent, 578 00:33:51,298 --> 00:33:53,399 redbull.com, whatever you think about that. 579 00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:59,560 - Redbull.com has got 45 million Facebook followers. 580 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:04,164 - All the discussions about leadership, 581 00:34:05,796 --> 00:34:09,264 is a bit more tricky to translate to the Chinese audience, 582 00:34:09,266 --> 00:34:12,658 because the leadership model we talk about onboard 583 00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:15,163 is very much coming from the individual. 584 00:34:15,165 --> 00:34:17,390 What's your purpose, and what's your value, 585 00:34:17,392 --> 00:34:19,895 your own limitations. 586 00:34:19,897 --> 00:34:21,196 - This thing you do... 587 00:34:21,198 --> 00:34:23,324 - And we do these diagnostic. 588 00:34:23,326 --> 00:34:24,559 And then, the next step 589 00:34:24,561 --> 00:34:26,726 is what's your own personal strategy map. 590 00:34:26,728 --> 00:34:30,131 - To help you be visible, you gotta know yourself. 591 00:34:31,692 --> 00:34:33,493 To know yourself really, really well, 592 00:34:33,495 --> 00:34:35,363 it helps to have some really, really good 593 00:34:35,365 --> 00:34:38,730 transformational experiences around sense of self. 594 00:34:38,732 --> 00:34:40,197 - So I think in China 595 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,226 there is a stronger emphasis on the community. 596 00:34:43,228 --> 00:34:44,727 And there's always a sense 597 00:34:44,729 --> 00:34:48,328 that you shouldn't be too different from the collective. 598 00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:51,061 In the back of my mind I'm always thinking, 599 00:34:51,063 --> 00:34:52,599 "But what about the bigger good? 600 00:34:52,601 --> 00:34:54,627 "What about the collective? 601 00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:58,428 "And what about as a group what we want to achieve?" 602 00:35:16,299 --> 00:35:18,463 - Women went to extraordinary lengths to get here. 603 00:35:18,465 --> 00:35:22,892 Most women raised at least $30,000, mortgaging their houses, 604 00:35:22,894 --> 00:35:25,692 selling baked goods, doing all these like ridiculous things 605 00:35:25,694 --> 00:35:28,526 that adult women who are leaders in our field... 606 00:35:28,528 --> 00:35:31,090 I mean, you'd never ask a Dean of Faculty 607 00:35:31,092 --> 00:35:34,032 to sell baked goods in order to get leadership development. 608 00:35:36,561 --> 00:35:38,263 Deep down my interest in this programme, 609 00:35:38,265 --> 00:35:40,659 stems from the fact that I'm a failed scientist. 610 00:35:42,233 --> 00:35:45,230 I wanted to be a doctor, I loved science at school. 611 00:35:46,725 --> 00:35:49,225 I liked physics, I loved black holes. 612 00:35:49,227 --> 00:35:50,757 Like that was my thing. 613 00:35:50,759 --> 00:35:54,532 And then I got to uni, and I got into chemistry 614 00:35:54,534 --> 00:35:56,427 and I lasted a week. 615 00:35:56,429 --> 00:35:59,229 My first chemistry class was like 2000 people. 616 00:35:59,231 --> 00:36:01,928 There were 10 women in the entire class. 617 00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:03,164 I was just terrified, 618 00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:05,046 I was convinced that I'd never be able to do it. 619 00:36:06,399 --> 00:36:08,792 The kinds of problems that women in STEMM fields are facing 620 00:36:08,794 --> 00:36:13,560 are not new, they're not particular to STEMM fields. 621 00:36:14,692 --> 00:36:16,997 And so, I hope that Homeward Bound, 622 00:36:16,999 --> 00:36:18,756 is kind of an experimental laboratory 623 00:36:18,758 --> 00:36:20,028 for thinking about how we can address 624 00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:22,199 these much broader challenges, 625 00:36:22,201 --> 00:36:24,862 that apply to all women from all organisational context 626 00:36:24,864 --> 00:36:26,399 and all backgrounds. 627 00:37:07,332 --> 00:37:09,597 - Imagine waking up and seeing that every morning. 628 00:37:11,795 --> 00:37:12,894 Oh. 629 00:37:12,896 --> 00:37:14,363 - Last Saturday, 630 00:37:14,365 --> 00:37:17,390 we were in the glacier working with six degrees. 631 00:37:17,392 --> 00:37:18,192 That shouldn't happen. 632 00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:19,791 We're in Antarctica. 633 00:37:19,793 --> 00:37:22,028 At this point of year, it should be snowing, 634 00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:23,531 there's no snow anywhere. 635 00:37:23,533 --> 00:37:24,556 And it's terrible. 636 00:37:24,558 --> 00:37:25,828 It's really, really terrible. 637 00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:27,064 It is happening. 638 00:37:27,066 --> 00:37:30,161 It's not going to be a hundred years. 639 00:37:30,163 --> 00:37:32,659 It's going to be in our lifetime. 640 00:37:32,661 --> 00:37:36,665 - Soil chemistry, soil physics, soil biology 641 00:37:36,667 --> 00:37:39,493 is essential to help the earth. 642 00:37:39,495 --> 00:37:42,094 I was asking Luna about the green stuff. 643 00:37:42,096 --> 00:37:43,028 So I was saying, "Is it grass?" 644 00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:44,163 She said, "No, it's moss." 645 00:37:44,165 --> 00:37:46,162 I'm like, "Moss! That's my favourite." 646 00:37:46,164 --> 00:37:48,460 Come and see. Ah, it's so exciting. 647 00:37:48,462 --> 00:37:51,357 Everyone else is just walking past, right? 648 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:53,362 This amazing phenomenon. 649 00:37:54,294 --> 00:37:56,995 You can actually see the moss 650 00:37:56,997 --> 00:37:58,527 turning into soil right here. 651 00:37:59,959 --> 00:38:02,225 Like, I'm really excited that I can see the plants, 652 00:38:02,227 --> 00:38:03,490 that I can see the moss 653 00:38:03,492 --> 00:38:05,625 but I don't wanna be that lucky. 654 00:38:05,627 --> 00:38:08,397 I wanna be here, when it's all under snow. 655 00:38:08,399 --> 00:38:09,399 Yeah. 656 00:38:34,035 --> 00:38:37,664 - Both times I took maternity leave as a post-doc, 657 00:38:37,666 --> 00:38:39,632 those two jobs ended. 658 00:38:39,634 --> 00:38:41,061 And I was quite devastated, 659 00:38:41,063 --> 00:38:42,262 "Oh, my God have got a new baby. 660 00:38:42,264 --> 00:38:44,097 "I've gotta start looking for a new job." 661 00:38:44,099 --> 00:38:45,731 And I really wanted to be a soil scientist. 662 00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:47,127 Do you think it's my undies, 663 00:38:47,129 --> 00:38:48,497 or do you think it's the book? 664 00:38:48,499 --> 00:38:49,499 - The book. 665 00:38:53,634 --> 00:38:55,261 It's been super stressful, 666 00:38:55,263 --> 00:38:57,461 'cause I don't have ongoing work. 667 00:38:59,297 --> 00:39:00,757 The first thing that they're gonna look at, 668 00:39:00,759 --> 00:39:03,297 is how many papers have you published? 669 00:39:03,299 --> 00:39:05,993 Now the number of papers that you publish each year, 670 00:39:05,995 --> 00:39:07,263 is gonna be less 671 00:39:07,265 --> 00:39:09,100 if you've taken years off to have children. 672 00:39:09,102 --> 00:39:12,858 So, your CV is just never gonna look as good as people 673 00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:15,127 who haven't done that. - I'll do your pass code. 674 00:39:15,129 --> 00:39:16,724 Scientist are my favourite. 675 00:39:16,726 --> 00:39:19,164 - Scientist are your favourite, really? 676 00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:22,759 As a parent and a soil scientist, 677 00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:25,762 I'm out there at the park, hearing other people say, 678 00:39:25,764 --> 00:39:26,895 "Don't get dirty. 679 00:39:26,897 --> 00:39:28,090 "Put that stick down. 680 00:39:28,092 --> 00:39:29,295 "Yuck!" 681 00:39:29,297 --> 00:39:31,990 So, I thought I will write a children's book. 682 00:39:31,992 --> 00:39:34,790 By the time I'm reading this to kinder age children, 683 00:39:34,792 --> 00:39:37,262 some of the girls are going, "Yuck! Ah!" 684 00:39:37,264 --> 00:39:41,192 At the beach, I see soil in the cliffs. 685 00:39:41,194 --> 00:39:43,423 Brown, white, yellow, 686 00:39:43,425 --> 00:39:45,025 sometimes even pink. 687 00:39:45,027 --> 00:39:46,496 - Ah! Pink. 688 00:39:46,498 --> 00:39:49,263 - We swim and chase seagulls and then we build a big fort. 689 00:39:50,395 --> 00:39:52,131 I totally hope that exploring soils, 690 00:39:52,133 --> 00:39:56,064 will inspire more girls and boys to get outside 691 00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:58,529 and get dirty and then get into science. 692 00:40:02,463 --> 00:40:05,365 But every time my contract comes to an end, 693 00:40:05,367 --> 00:40:08,395 and I'm applying and applying for jobs and not getting them 694 00:40:08,397 --> 00:40:11,033 I think I've given science a really good go, 695 00:40:11,035 --> 00:40:13,428 but if science doesn't want me, maybe that's it. 696 00:40:22,232 --> 00:40:24,059 - Maternity leave becomes a lever 697 00:40:24,061 --> 00:40:25,361 for organisations. 698 00:40:25,363 --> 00:40:27,165 Once you take your foot out of the door, 699 00:40:27,167 --> 00:40:29,691 then if you're not a permanent employee, for example, 700 00:40:29,693 --> 00:40:31,791 that means you have effectively no rights. 701 00:40:47,798 --> 00:40:49,995 - Good morning Possums. 702 00:40:49,997 --> 00:40:51,598 It's now quarter to eight. 703 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,423 The weather has changed, 704 00:40:53,425 --> 00:40:54,991 grey but better for us 705 00:40:54,993 --> 00:40:58,657 because the wind is probably moving the ice in our favour. 706 00:40:58,659 --> 00:41:00,628 It's calm in here, so that's good. 707 00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:04,564 And, breakfast is on in 15 minutes there, eight o'clock. 708 00:41:12,161 --> 00:41:13,296 - It's a leopard seal, 709 00:41:14,492 --> 00:41:16,197 top predator of the Antarctica. 710 00:41:17,363 --> 00:41:19,197 It was my number one thing I wanted to see. 711 00:41:20,228 --> 00:41:22,862 They're very reptilian looking, 712 00:41:22,864 --> 00:41:24,562 which is really awesome. 713 00:41:24,564 --> 00:41:27,061 They eat penguins by shaking them around and getting that... 714 00:41:27,063 --> 00:41:28,925 Ooh! You gotta go see it. 715 00:41:28,927 --> 00:41:30,197 Okay. 716 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:31,693 - They're looking incredibly like a slug. 717 00:41:31,695 --> 00:41:34,895 - I guess, I was thinking they look like a dinosaur. 718 00:41:34,897 --> 00:41:36,391 - So cool. - So cool. 719 00:41:36,393 --> 00:41:37,893 - So cool. 720 00:41:37,895 --> 00:41:38,863 Smell that? 721 00:41:38,865 --> 00:41:40,257 Smells like leopard seals. 722 00:41:41,662 --> 00:41:42,932 - Love the smell of leopard seal in the morning. 723 00:41:42,934 --> 00:41:44,697 - Love the smell of it too in the morning. 724 00:41:44,699 --> 00:41:46,323 Show us your teeth. 725 00:41:54,161 --> 00:41:55,366 - There you go. 726 00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,432 - There you go. 727 00:42:06,065 --> 00:42:07,693 - I'm relatively new to this station 728 00:42:07,695 --> 00:42:11,324 but I have spent five other seasons at McMurdo, 729 00:42:11,326 --> 00:42:12,691 including three winters. 730 00:42:12,693 --> 00:42:14,259 And I just finished a winter in October, 731 00:42:14,261 --> 00:42:15,994 and then came right here. 732 00:42:15,996 --> 00:42:17,262 - Have you noticed... 733 00:42:17,264 --> 00:42:18,558 - When I listened to those young women 734 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,131 talk about what they're doing here. 735 00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:23,562 I do kind of think, "Oh, that was so nearly me." 736 00:42:23,564 --> 00:42:25,358 In 1981, 737 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,163 I studied Antarctic algae 738 00:42:28,165 --> 00:42:30,993 and I became obsessed with the place. 739 00:42:30,995 --> 00:42:32,361 I just loved it. 740 00:42:32,363 --> 00:42:35,459 And I applied for three years in a row. 741 00:42:35,461 --> 00:42:38,165 Great application, fit the criteria, 742 00:42:38,167 --> 00:42:41,257 but I'm sorry we don't have facilities for women. 743 00:42:41,259 --> 00:42:42,899 Some of the boys 744 00:42:42,901 --> 00:42:46,093 that were in our labs studying algae as well, 745 00:42:46,095 --> 00:42:47,197 they got to come here. 746 00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:50,961 And then when Homeward Bound became an opportunity, 747 00:42:50,963 --> 00:42:52,496 I thought, "Haha, yes." 748 00:42:54,226 --> 00:42:55,659 On this trip, 749 00:42:55,661 --> 00:42:57,760 the boys doing the Antarctic algae can't go. 750 00:42:59,067 --> 00:43:02,692 So that was a nice sort of symmetry, I suppose. 751 00:43:04,462 --> 00:43:07,423 We've just heard about dramatic changes 752 00:43:07,425 --> 00:43:09,498 in the glacier receding. 753 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,427 So in 27 seasons, 754 00:43:11,429 --> 00:43:15,791 there's been a recede of 30 feet a year. 755 00:43:17,127 --> 00:43:18,329 30 feet a year. 756 00:43:19,227 --> 00:43:20,865 These changes are real 757 00:43:20,867 --> 00:43:22,962 and they're happening right here, 758 00:43:22,964 --> 00:43:24,758 and we're witnessing this. 759 00:43:26,167 --> 00:43:30,030 We just need all the best minds that we can get, 760 00:43:30,032 --> 00:43:32,790 all the multiple perspectives we can get, 761 00:43:32,792 --> 00:43:34,793 the best people to address this science 762 00:43:34,795 --> 00:43:37,191 and think about how we support this environment better 763 00:43:37,193 --> 00:43:38,531 into the future. 764 00:43:43,297 --> 00:43:46,360 - Homeward Bound is a contemporary, 765 00:43:46,362 --> 00:43:48,459 sort of symbolic encouraging of women 766 00:43:48,461 --> 00:43:50,923 into this very male dominated space. 767 00:43:52,497 --> 00:43:56,357 1969, the first all women's scientific expedition, 768 00:43:56,359 --> 00:43:57,461 landed in Antarctica. 769 00:43:58,759 --> 00:44:00,462 They wanted to collect their own samples. 770 00:44:00,464 --> 00:44:03,759 So up until then, women weren't allowed to do that. 771 00:44:03,761 --> 00:44:05,628 When they touched down, journalists were waiting. 772 00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:07,931 And, one of the first things they asked this group of women 773 00:44:07,933 --> 00:44:09,626 was whether they brought lipstick. 774 00:44:20,095 --> 00:44:21,328 - Two big ticket items 775 00:44:21,330 --> 00:44:24,724 we wanna be sure every person in this room has, 776 00:44:24,726 --> 00:44:28,162 and that is why you're on Homeward Bound, 777 00:44:28,164 --> 00:44:30,199 why you lead, those two together, 778 00:44:30,201 --> 00:44:32,764 and the second one is, "What's important to me as a leader? 779 00:44:32,766 --> 00:44:35,292 "What do I really value?" 780 00:44:35,294 --> 00:44:36,931 And my own journey around this 781 00:44:36,933 --> 00:44:39,899 is I muck up a business in the '80s. 782 00:44:39,901 --> 00:44:42,027 So, I was very well known in Australia, 783 00:44:42,029 --> 00:44:43,226 as a quite young leader. 784 00:44:43,228 --> 00:44:45,523 I was 30 by the time I was CEO, 785 00:44:45,525 --> 00:44:47,032 of a large Australian company. 786 00:44:48,198 --> 00:44:51,057 And I was 30 and a bit by the time I ruined it. 787 00:44:51,059 --> 00:44:53,899 - Until a week ago, the name Fabian Dattner 788 00:44:53,901 --> 00:44:56,690 was synonymous with furs and fortune. 789 00:44:56,692 --> 00:44:58,793 At 33, she's the managing director 790 00:44:58,795 --> 00:45:02,164 of the $15 million Stephen Dattner Group of Companies. 791 00:45:03,596 --> 00:45:05,589 - Ms. Dattner says her business problems 792 00:45:05,591 --> 00:45:07,998 began to accumulate last year. 793 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,726 Dattner four Victorian stores will close, 794 00:45:10,728 --> 00:45:13,526 following a liquidator sale starting on Thursday. 795 00:45:13,528 --> 00:45:15,426 - Australia's leading leather and fur retailer 796 00:45:15,428 --> 00:45:17,398 is having a crisis on the sellout. 797 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,659 The crisis, 798 00:45:18,661 --> 00:45:20,258 thousands of the world's finest leathers and furs 799 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:21,863 must be liquidated. 800 00:45:21,865 --> 00:45:24,465 Foxes at never before prices. 801 00:45:24,467 --> 00:45:25,467 Fabulous mink. 802 00:45:26,458 --> 00:45:28,291 - And so I... 803 00:45:28,293 --> 00:45:30,129 In my personal journey, 804 00:45:30,131 --> 00:45:32,097 looking first at my own leadership, 805 00:45:32,099 --> 00:45:34,424 I had 350 young people working for me 806 00:45:34,426 --> 00:45:36,965 and 350 people lost their jobs. 807 00:45:36,967 --> 00:45:40,163 As a result of the way I ran a company. 808 00:45:40,165 --> 00:45:41,958 And over the following three or four years, 809 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,631 I interviewed thousands and thousands of people who work, 810 00:45:45,633 --> 00:45:46,933 and hearing from them 811 00:45:46,935 --> 00:45:48,693 what they wish leaders could do differently. 812 00:45:48,695 --> 00:45:51,192 - She's still on the corporate cat walk, 813 00:45:51,194 --> 00:45:53,024 pursuing a new career, 814 00:45:53,026 --> 00:45:56,665 telling people in business that being put out of business, 815 00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:58,691 is not the end of the world. 816 00:45:58,693 --> 00:46:01,328 - I've spent 30 years obsessed with studying, 817 00:46:01,330 --> 00:46:03,397 reading about development qualifications 818 00:46:03,399 --> 00:46:07,997 in doing courses on or talking about facilitating coaching, 819 00:46:07,999 --> 00:46:09,797 everyday of my life on leadership. 820 00:46:09,799 --> 00:46:11,423 It is my absolute obsession. 821 00:46:11,425 --> 00:46:12,592 I know that domain, 822 00:46:12,594 --> 00:46:14,796 as well as if not better than most people 823 00:46:14,798 --> 00:46:16,658 on the planet today. 824 00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:18,663 It's almost like it's written in a book. 825 00:46:26,434 --> 00:46:28,027 Always be mindful, 826 00:46:28,029 --> 00:46:30,294 that sitting on your lap 827 00:46:30,296 --> 00:46:32,127 is your four or five year old self. 828 00:46:32,129 --> 00:46:33,625 What would you say to her? 829 00:46:33,627 --> 00:46:36,729 - Fabian's leadership style is inspirational. 830 00:46:36,731 --> 00:46:38,232 She's charismatic. 831 00:46:38,234 --> 00:46:42,762 You know she can be a little bit cavalier in her approach. 832 00:46:42,764 --> 00:46:44,556 It forces you, 833 00:46:44,558 --> 00:46:48,564 to be thoughtful and reflective. 834 00:46:51,793 --> 00:46:53,391 - Anyone else's got something you wanna share 835 00:46:53,393 --> 00:46:56,232 or an insight or an observation? 836 00:46:56,234 --> 00:46:57,259 Yes. 837 00:46:57,261 --> 00:46:58,792 - I had a moment on the beach 838 00:46:58,794 --> 00:47:02,033 and I realised, if I think the worst about myself, 839 00:47:02,035 --> 00:47:05,330 nothing that anyone else can say can be a surprise 840 00:47:05,332 --> 00:47:08,526 'cause if they think the same things, then I'm right. 841 00:47:08,528 --> 00:47:11,262 And I realised how backwards that was, 842 00:47:11,264 --> 00:47:13,292 as I looked up at those beautiful bluffs. 843 00:47:13,294 --> 00:47:16,696 And, yeah, changed my mindset. 844 00:47:16,698 --> 00:47:17,565 I don't need to... 845 00:47:17,567 --> 00:47:18,729 I don't need to do that. 846 00:47:23,326 --> 00:47:25,432 - Thank you. 847 00:47:32,561 --> 00:47:36,657 - So I would say on a scale of one to 10, 848 00:47:36,659 --> 00:47:38,127 a rawness factor is probably sitting 849 00:47:38,129 --> 00:47:39,325 about an eight and a half, 850 00:47:39,327 --> 00:47:40,523 so they're confronting the story 851 00:47:40,525 --> 00:47:42,092 that's going on in their head. 852 00:47:43,259 --> 00:47:44,527 This is exactly 853 00:47:44,529 --> 00:47:46,296 where I want to see the transformational change, 854 00:47:46,298 --> 00:47:48,358 where people get the chance to let go of stuff 855 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,992 that's been holding them back 856 00:47:49,994 --> 00:47:53,465 and stopping them being as effective as the effect could be. 857 00:48:00,992 --> 00:48:04,462 - It's probably 10 times what I thought it would be. 858 00:48:04,464 --> 00:48:07,523 I just thought we were coming along to sit in groups 859 00:48:07,525 --> 00:48:08,991 and talk about leadership. 860 00:48:08,993 --> 00:48:11,698 I didn't expect to have a breakdown and then come back up. 861 00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:13,430 And, it's just a bit crazy. 862 00:48:15,059 --> 00:48:16,158 Yeah. 863 00:48:17,896 --> 00:48:18,896 - I think for me, 864 00:48:20,267 --> 00:48:23,192 the confidence is seeing all these other amazing people 865 00:48:23,194 --> 00:48:25,330 who do such cool stuff. 866 00:48:25,332 --> 00:48:28,432 Makes you think, "Oh yeah, I could do that too." 867 00:48:28,434 --> 00:48:29,434 - Yeah, that. 868 00:48:31,026 --> 00:48:34,427 I would say, I don't want to put the message out to women 869 00:48:34,429 --> 00:48:37,457 that it's women that need to be transformed, 870 00:48:37,459 --> 00:48:38,658 and changed all the time. 871 00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:42,459 It shouldn't be up to the women to change. 872 00:48:42,461 --> 00:48:44,260 - Yeah, okay. - It's a lot of social 873 00:48:44,262 --> 00:48:46,097 and cultural issues. - Changes. 874 00:48:46,099 --> 00:48:48,494 - Yeah, it's not up to the women to fix it all. 875 00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:18,266 - We're just gonna have a faculty meeting, 876 00:49:18,268 --> 00:49:20,357 and I'll come grab you afterwards if that's okay with you? 877 00:49:20,359 --> 00:49:21,625 Yeah, I'll be there. 878 00:49:21,627 --> 00:49:22,632 - Okay, your little hands are frozen. 879 00:49:22,634 --> 00:49:24,099 - I was looking at iceburgs. 880 00:49:24,101 --> 00:49:25,994 - All of the kinds of leadership and strategy work 881 00:49:25,996 --> 00:49:27,528 is based on the idea, 882 00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:30,232 if you dream it and you do it, it will come to you. 883 00:49:30,234 --> 00:49:33,233 But the fact is, it doesn't look at the broader structures 884 00:49:33,235 --> 00:49:37,165 and the context, that actually prevent women from advancing. 885 00:49:37,167 --> 00:49:38,832 We have to talk about the overwhelming whiteness 886 00:49:38,834 --> 00:49:40,028 of the group and not brush it aside 887 00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:41,358 for a problem for next time. 888 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,559 We need to talk about the fact 889 00:49:42,561 --> 00:49:44,493 that whiteness actually enables leadership. 890 00:49:44,495 --> 00:49:46,826 White people tend to pick white people. 891 00:49:46,828 --> 00:49:48,030 And so- 892 00:49:48,032 --> 00:49:49,724 - I've not heard that predisposition. 893 00:49:49,726 --> 00:49:51,228 - But also, it's not just the participants, 894 00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:52,659 we need to think about the faculty. 895 00:49:52,661 --> 00:49:55,266 - What's your sense of what needs to change? 896 00:49:55,268 --> 00:49:58,131 Remembering your high perfectionistic and predisposition. 897 00:49:59,330 --> 00:50:00,826 - I think that actually thing is the a quota. 898 00:50:00,828 --> 00:50:02,556 - There are a lot of people in here accustomed to problems, 899 00:50:02,558 --> 00:50:04,164 solution, problems solution. 900 00:50:04,166 --> 00:50:06,163 We would make as an observation at this stage, 901 00:50:06,165 --> 00:50:07,358 one of the biggest problems in the group 902 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,928 is lack of self-awareness. 903 00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:10,396 So we've got a group 904 00:50:10,398 --> 00:50:11,391 at the moment, we haven't yet laid the transition 905 00:50:11,393 --> 00:50:12,826 into even knowing themselves 906 00:50:12,828 --> 00:50:15,226 and how they are affecting the other people around them. 907 00:50:15,228 --> 00:50:16,226 Because to change the world, 908 00:50:16,228 --> 00:50:18,232 first you gotta change yourself. 909 00:50:18,234 --> 00:50:21,556 And, you have a bit of your own journey to go through yet. 910 00:50:21,558 --> 00:50:22,925 I don't wanna rob you of that. 911 00:50:22,927 --> 00:50:23,927 - Yeah. 912 00:50:24,867 --> 00:50:27,229 - An old conversation that I've had. 913 00:50:27,231 --> 00:50:29,165 - She has a way to shift the mood quickly, 914 00:50:29,167 --> 00:50:31,225 and make people forget about why they were concerned 915 00:50:31,227 --> 00:50:32,127 in the first place. 916 00:50:32,129 --> 00:50:34,130 By always turning it around, 917 00:50:34,132 --> 00:50:35,591 she's never had to take responsibility. 918 00:50:35,593 --> 00:50:37,330 But, race and ethnicity is a big deal, 919 00:50:37,332 --> 00:50:39,833 and it's a really big deal for women in science. 920 00:50:39,835 --> 00:50:41,824 Success often comes with skin colour. 921 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:56,764 - A lot of these people 922 00:50:56,766 --> 00:50:58,262 as scientists have been trained 923 00:50:58,264 --> 00:51:00,226 to communicate in really neutral teams. 924 00:51:00,228 --> 00:51:01,997 So how do we help them learn 925 00:51:01,999 --> 00:51:03,923 to be more influential communicators? 926 00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:08,262 I'm not gonna tell you folks how to do science. 927 00:51:08,264 --> 00:51:09,965 What I know about the scientific method, 928 00:51:09,967 --> 00:51:12,298 you could ride on the back of a postage stamp. 929 00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,665 I do know if you want to move from doing rigorous science, 930 00:51:15,667 --> 00:51:17,031 to having impact and influence. 931 00:51:17,033 --> 00:51:18,998 If you wanna enrol people to your cause, 932 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,024 you need to connect to their emotions. 933 00:51:21,026 --> 00:51:24,163 It turns out if you help people understand learning styles, 934 00:51:24,165 --> 00:51:26,393 it can make them way better communicators. 935 00:51:26,395 --> 00:51:27,825 And you have a degree of preference 936 00:51:27,827 --> 00:51:30,825 to put you primarily in one of those four quadrants. 937 00:51:30,827 --> 00:51:33,060 I'm sorry, but a whale just jumped out of the water 938 00:51:33,062 --> 00:51:34,224 on the left hand side. 939 00:51:35,466 --> 00:51:36,466 - Faculty. 940 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,090 - Oh my gosh! 941 00:51:39,092 --> 00:51:41,373 There's a whale. Come on, lets all just look at the whale. 942 00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:49,762 - Oh I see it. 943 00:51:49,764 --> 00:51:51,059 - Oh! 944 00:51:59,901 --> 00:52:02,090 - For the emotional intelligence assessment, 945 00:52:02,092 --> 00:52:05,099 I was really shocked to find out I'm emotionally retarded. 946 00:52:05,101 --> 00:52:09,691 I ranked lower on recognition of people emotions. 947 00:52:09,693 --> 00:52:11,756 Fair to say the faces are western faces, 948 00:52:11,758 --> 00:52:13,724 I don't know if that plays any role. 949 00:52:13,726 --> 00:52:15,758 - I was really looking forward to format, 950 00:52:16,931 --> 00:52:19,166 to do format explanations, 951 00:52:19,168 --> 00:52:22,957 but I was a bit disappointed because I didn't learn much. 952 00:52:22,959 --> 00:52:26,558 I found Marshall much less powerful than Fabian 953 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,166 which is difficult to achieve anyway. 954 00:52:29,168 --> 00:52:32,657 And quite long especially with all the whales outside, 955 00:52:32,659 --> 00:52:34,863 it was difficult to keep us focused. 956 00:52:34,865 --> 00:52:36,064 - They keep us on their toes 957 00:52:36,066 --> 00:52:37,592 would be probably a statement. 958 00:52:37,594 --> 00:52:39,162 You're not gonna get away with anything. 959 00:52:39,164 --> 00:52:41,060 I've got this great habit of saying, 960 00:52:41,062 --> 00:52:42,460 "Studies show that," 961 00:52:42,462 --> 00:52:45,127 and, "There are statistics to a test that." 962 00:52:45,129 --> 00:52:46,394 And in a normal programme, 963 00:52:46,396 --> 00:52:47,696 people say, "Alright, he's got an honest face. 964 00:52:47,698 --> 00:52:48,697 "Sounds plausible. 965 00:52:48,699 --> 00:52:49,928 "I'll go with that." 966 00:52:49,930 --> 00:52:50,962 Not with this group. 967 00:52:50,964 --> 00:52:52,294 They wanna know who said it, 968 00:52:52,296 --> 00:52:54,896 when, in what peer reviewed article. 969 00:52:54,898 --> 00:52:56,325 So, yeah, you've gotta... 970 00:52:56,327 --> 00:52:57,564 They keep you on your toes. 971 00:53:01,330 --> 00:53:02,931 - The whole problem for me of all this 972 00:53:02,933 --> 00:53:05,397 is that, as scientists, we work on facts 973 00:53:05,399 --> 00:53:10,395 and we need solutions, clear, easy to grasp solutions. 974 00:53:13,063 --> 00:53:14,462 I don't know where to start, 975 00:53:14,464 --> 00:53:17,061 because I was quite disappointed in my results. 976 00:53:17,063 --> 00:53:18,559 I'll show them to you just now. 977 00:53:18,561 --> 00:53:21,625 I have quite much lower score than I expected. 978 00:53:21,627 --> 00:53:24,928 So, I need things to be very organised, 979 00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:26,962 and pragmatic and clear. 980 00:53:26,964 --> 00:53:28,890 - Yeah. - And like facts. 981 00:53:28,892 --> 00:53:33,526 And, what I found difficult, for all of this, 982 00:53:33,528 --> 00:53:35,994 is to really say, "Okay, you have this problem, 983 00:53:35,996 --> 00:53:37,229 "you need to do this. 984 00:53:37,231 --> 00:53:38,830 "You have this problem, you need to do this." 985 00:53:38,832 --> 00:53:40,862 And it's much more blurry. 986 00:53:40,864 --> 00:53:42,064 - Do you have any sense 987 00:53:42,066 --> 00:53:44,591 of where that may have originated, like... 988 00:53:44,593 --> 00:53:45,430 - Oh, yeah, definitely. 989 00:53:45,432 --> 00:53:46,892 - Yeah? 990 00:53:46,894 --> 00:53:48,661 - It's clearly that I want to be perfect in everything. 991 00:53:48,663 --> 00:53:49,665 - Yeah. 992 00:53:49,667 --> 00:53:51,524 - And to see that it's working. 993 00:53:51,526 --> 00:53:54,259 - Yeah. - It's hard to admit, 994 00:53:54,261 --> 00:53:56,261 but I think that's it, yeah. 995 00:53:56,263 --> 00:53:58,032 I don't know if I want to let it go. 996 00:53:59,465 --> 00:54:01,964 - We've got a hypothesis, that people may go into science 997 00:54:01,966 --> 00:54:03,525 because it's more introverted space. 998 00:54:03,527 --> 00:54:05,526 I don't have to deal with the world. 999 00:54:05,528 --> 00:54:08,360 I can just be very focused and do my thing. 1000 00:54:08,362 --> 00:54:10,065 Which means, that if I've had stuff 1001 00:54:11,458 --> 00:54:13,063 done in my childhood, 1002 00:54:13,065 --> 00:54:15,191 it's packed rather than processed. 1003 00:54:15,193 --> 00:54:16,559 And so here we are 1004 00:54:16,561 --> 00:54:18,523 in a potboiler environment dealing with it. 1005 00:54:18,525 --> 00:54:19,690 Why do you go into science? 1006 00:54:19,692 --> 00:54:21,589 Is it a place where you feel safe, 1007 00:54:21,591 --> 00:54:23,028 where you can actually settle 1008 00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:25,428 into using your great intellect, 1009 00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:28,423 and created a boundary of safety around you? 1010 00:54:28,425 --> 00:54:29,857 So both Marshall and I 1011 00:54:29,859 --> 00:54:32,958 have done quite literally thousands of these. 1012 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,361 And this is one of the most complex groups I've ever seen. 1013 00:54:36,363 --> 00:54:39,626 Some of you are behaving in the world today, 1014 00:54:39,628 --> 00:54:43,027 using the same strategies you used as a child, 1015 00:54:43,029 --> 00:54:44,461 to defend yourself. 1016 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:46,790 - I think the problem at the moment 1017 00:54:46,792 --> 00:54:48,391 is the faculty doesn't know their audience. 1018 00:54:48,393 --> 00:54:49,792 There is a real disconnect 1019 00:54:49,794 --> 00:54:51,899 between people who are working in a commercial field, 1020 00:54:51,901 --> 00:54:54,166 and who are usually dealing with corporates 1021 00:54:54,168 --> 00:54:57,259 and then now they're trying to talk to women scientists, 1022 00:54:57,261 --> 00:54:58,726 highly educated audience. 1023 00:54:58,728 --> 00:55:01,663 And faculty actually can't answer their questions. 1024 00:55:03,498 --> 00:55:06,166 - You know I've been in leisure practise for a long time. 1025 00:55:06,168 --> 00:55:09,358 I have, you know 35 different technical accreditations, 1026 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,028 diagnostic accreditations. 1027 00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:12,427 I'm a diagnostic specialist. 1028 00:55:12,429 --> 00:55:15,857 So, you know, I understand how people tick. 1029 00:55:17,860 --> 00:55:22,229 What are the characteristics of a leader you want, 1030 00:55:22,231 --> 00:55:25,932 that would bring the best of out on you? 1031 00:55:25,934 --> 00:55:28,532 At or above the 50th percentile in blue 1032 00:55:28,534 --> 00:55:29,857 is what everybody wants. 1033 00:55:31,299 --> 00:55:35,164 All people blossom in a more constructive culture. 1034 00:55:35,166 --> 00:55:38,492 - According to the diagnostics, being assertive 1035 00:55:38,494 --> 00:55:40,933 and not letting my emotions get to me 1036 00:55:40,935 --> 00:55:44,394 and expecting others to pull their own weights, 1037 00:55:44,396 --> 00:55:46,226 all of the things that I saw as strengths, 1038 00:55:46,228 --> 00:55:48,560 are actually extreme weaknesses. 1039 00:55:50,726 --> 00:55:53,429 Today, I felt more offended than supported. 1040 00:55:53,431 --> 00:55:56,561 - The minute you feel offended, Anne feels offended, 1041 00:55:56,563 --> 00:55:59,957 she is not intellectually or emotionally flexible. 1042 00:55:59,959 --> 00:56:03,760 And the leader who is most behaviorally flexible, 1043 00:56:03,762 --> 00:56:06,899 is the leader who will go on to get the greatest outcomes. 1044 00:56:06,901 --> 00:56:09,523 I was thinking maybe just knowing who you are 1045 00:56:09,525 --> 00:56:10,991 makes you a better leader, 1046 00:56:10,993 --> 00:56:12,793 but I was hoping it was a little bit deeper than that. 1047 00:56:12,795 --> 00:56:15,626 - To know what you stand for, what is important to you 1048 00:56:17,034 --> 00:56:21,824 is a pricelessly valuable piece of knowledge. 1049 00:56:23,033 --> 00:56:25,197 It's a pillar that holds you as a human being. 1050 00:56:26,363 --> 00:56:29,493 And, if you can do that for yourself, 1051 00:56:29,495 --> 00:56:31,665 you will begin to understand what it means 1052 00:56:31,667 --> 00:56:33,896 in an organisational setting. 1053 00:56:33,898 --> 00:56:35,292 - Right now, what we're learning 1054 00:56:35,294 --> 00:56:37,064 feels very touchy feely to me. 1055 00:56:37,066 --> 00:56:40,898 There definitely needs to be more tactical 1056 00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:43,797 and applicable skills being learned 1057 00:56:43,799 --> 00:56:45,692 within the leadership programme 1058 00:56:45,694 --> 00:56:48,357 and how we can go about changing that structure 1059 00:56:48,359 --> 00:56:52,566 that is so poisonous 1060 00:56:52,568 --> 00:56:54,098 to women staying in STEMM. 1061 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,460 - Choose a story, 1062 00:57:11,462 --> 00:57:14,526 that links most with this sense of vision 1063 00:57:14,528 --> 00:57:16,558 that you're starting to create for yourself, 1064 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,328 starting to make sense of your past, 1065 00:57:19,330 --> 00:57:22,000 that's not gonna hold you back anymore. 1066 00:57:22,002 --> 00:57:24,429 It's going to connect you with what you wanna do 1067 00:57:24,431 --> 00:57:28,461 for yourself and for the wider world in the future. 1068 00:57:35,259 --> 00:57:36,592 - Meredith, go. 1069 00:57:36,594 --> 00:57:38,724 - At the age of 21, I announced to my mum 1070 00:57:38,726 --> 00:57:40,657 that I was saying goodbye to law school, 1071 00:57:40,659 --> 00:57:42,327 a boyfriend and a life in Chicago 1072 00:57:42,329 --> 00:57:44,662 to do feminism full-time in Australia. 1073 00:57:44,664 --> 00:57:45,664 - Woo hoo! 1074 00:57:46,693 --> 00:57:48,296 - In choosing to leave the familiar behind, 1075 00:57:48,298 --> 00:57:50,998 I empowered myself to forge a path on my own 1076 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,932 as an independent woman and as a researcher. 1077 00:57:53,934 --> 00:57:55,899 At 36, I know that living a feminist life 1078 00:57:55,901 --> 00:57:57,696 is the most important and the bravest decision 1079 00:57:57,698 --> 00:57:59,189 I'll ever make. 1080 00:57:59,191 --> 00:58:00,191 Whoa. 1081 00:58:04,528 --> 00:58:07,133 Because it allows me to see what others don't, 1082 00:58:07,135 --> 00:58:10,024 say what others won't and to challenge myself and others 1083 00:58:10,026 --> 00:58:12,824 to fight for the changes that we wanna see in the world. 1084 00:58:13,732 --> 00:58:18,725 The end. 1085 00:58:19,568 --> 00:58:20,766 - It's always a good sign 1086 00:58:20,768 --> 00:58:22,663 when your own story makes you cry. 1087 00:58:24,432 --> 00:58:28,397 - So, the fear is we think we're gonna be judged if we cry. 1088 00:58:28,399 --> 00:58:31,259 And my theory is, that's why you live seven years longer 1089 00:58:31,261 --> 00:58:32,964 than most of your blokes. 1090 00:58:32,966 --> 00:58:34,998 And it's one of our greatest assets, 1091 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,794 is we feel this stuff and it's not a game, 1092 00:58:37,796 --> 00:58:39,391 we feel it. 1093 00:58:39,393 --> 00:58:41,262 - Women crying in the workplace, 1094 00:58:41,264 --> 00:58:45,589 is very rarely received by others as positive. 1095 00:58:45,591 --> 00:58:47,665 And it actually sets women back. 1096 00:58:47,667 --> 00:58:49,096 - You should not fit yourself 1097 00:58:49,098 --> 00:58:50,924 into the current leadership model. 1098 00:58:50,926 --> 00:58:52,958 You have to change the current leadership model. 1099 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,559 - I just wanna say that I don't personally like the way 1100 00:58:55,561 --> 00:58:58,459 that this conversation is going with that. 1101 00:58:58,461 --> 00:58:59,698 We need to be in leadership positions 1102 00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:01,424 because we express emotion. 1103 00:59:01,426 --> 00:59:02,758 We're not all the same, so. 1104 00:59:05,763 --> 00:59:08,892 - We've had many, many private discussions with pods of them 1105 00:59:08,894 --> 00:59:12,460 about how much they'd been told not to tell how they feel. 1106 00:59:12,462 --> 00:59:14,523 There's no space for feeling in science. 1107 00:59:14,525 --> 00:59:15,890 That's a certain madness. 1108 00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,531 That excludes one of the biggest contributions women make. 1109 00:59:24,567 --> 00:59:25,730 - Isn't that gorgeous? 1110 00:59:25,732 --> 00:59:26,857 It looks like frosting. 1111 00:59:28,525 --> 00:59:31,390 It just looks so delicious. 1112 00:59:31,392 --> 00:59:32,358 I'm gonna look at it. 1113 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,560 Ugh, you can look at the door. 1114 00:59:35,393 --> 00:59:36,890 I found today really tough. 1115 00:59:36,892 --> 00:59:39,832 There was too much talking, not enough action. 1116 00:59:39,834 --> 00:59:41,459 I guess that's the point on the ship. 1117 00:59:41,461 --> 00:59:44,958 But fucking talk, before and after 1118 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,094 I was gonna fucking shoot myself or the rest of them, 1119 00:59:48,096 --> 00:59:49,664 by the end of the last bit. 1120 00:59:49,666 --> 00:59:51,090 So I almost walked out, 1121 00:59:51,092 --> 00:59:55,197 but my sense of duty and not rocking the boat, made me stay. 1122 00:59:57,161 --> 00:59:58,729 I was just ready to go. 1123 00:59:58,731 --> 01:00:00,724 And, now I am out 1124 01:00:00,726 --> 01:00:04,693 and I want to enjoy Antarctica's beauty 1125 01:00:04,695 --> 01:00:07,758 in all honestly 'cause it is fucking magnificent. 1126 01:00:08,698 --> 01:00:10,896 Look at that. 1127 01:00:10,898 --> 01:00:12,560 - If Antarctica was not here, 1128 01:00:13,792 --> 01:00:17,393 this would be a crying pile of women. 1129 01:00:17,395 --> 01:00:19,791 I even cried in public. 1130 01:00:22,001 --> 01:00:23,762 - How did that happen by the way? 1131 01:00:23,764 --> 01:00:24,999 - I don't know. 1132 01:00:25,964 --> 01:00:27,560 I drank the Kool-Aid. 1133 01:01:42,234 --> 01:01:45,033 - Now we have an understanding of why we do what we do 1134 01:01:45,035 --> 01:01:46,962 and what are the constructive leadership styles. 1135 01:01:46,964 --> 01:01:48,325 We're all buoyed up by hope 1136 01:01:48,327 --> 01:01:49,859 in that we can change the world. 1137 01:01:49,861 --> 01:01:52,998 I feel like I need some kind of practical tool as well. 1138 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,127 - People have the impression 1139 01:01:54,129 --> 01:01:55,291 that when they leave the ship... 1140 01:01:55,293 --> 01:01:56,693 They're feeling high. 1141 01:01:56,695 --> 01:01:57,531 - Change the world. - "I'm gonna change the world, 1142 01:01:57,533 --> 01:01:58,965 "this is awesome." 1143 01:01:58,967 --> 01:02:00,324 And then they go back to work on Monday, 1144 01:02:00,326 --> 01:02:01,964 and it's like, "Oh yeah. 1145 01:02:01,966 --> 01:02:04,390 "There's like professor, Joe Blow, 1146 01:02:04,392 --> 01:02:06,061 "who's a real asshole 1147 01:02:06,063 --> 01:02:07,062 "and he's still an asshole." 1148 01:02:07,064 --> 01:02:08,296 - Yeah. - Because you still face 1149 01:02:08,298 --> 01:02:10,061 that stuff if you apply for promotion, if you... 1150 01:02:10,063 --> 01:02:11,690 All the normal milestones 1151 01:02:11,692 --> 01:02:13,292 that you go through as an academic, 1152 01:02:13,294 --> 01:02:14,725 applied for grants, whatever, 1153 01:02:16,331 --> 01:02:18,259 none of those things are gonna change right now. 1154 01:02:18,261 --> 01:02:19,691 It's a much bigger question. 1155 01:02:19,693 --> 01:02:21,697 It goes way beyond women just doing leadership 1156 01:02:21,699 --> 01:02:23,192 development courses. 1157 01:02:26,162 --> 01:02:27,628 Fabian can start a movement 1158 01:02:27,630 --> 01:02:30,526 about individuals enhancing their capacities to lead. 1159 01:02:30,528 --> 01:02:32,228 That's actually not gonna change anything 1160 01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:34,624 when it comes to gender equity in STEMM. 1161 01:02:34,626 --> 01:02:36,061 That's just about individual women 1162 01:02:36,063 --> 01:02:37,361 making their lives better. 1163 01:02:37,363 --> 01:02:39,160 It's not about making anything better 1164 01:02:39,162 --> 01:02:41,159 for all women's scientists. 1165 01:02:46,863 --> 01:02:48,328 I'm so frustrated 1166 01:02:48,330 --> 01:02:50,429 with a lack of attention to the big questions 1167 01:02:50,431 --> 01:02:53,327 that I wanna talk about around gender and diversity. 1168 01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:55,823 - Can I ask you something, Meredith? 1169 01:02:55,825 --> 01:02:58,160 When do you think your perfectionism pings off? 1170 01:02:58,162 --> 01:03:00,461 What will cause it to fire off? 1171 01:03:01,425 --> 01:03:02,428 How does it show up? 1172 01:03:03,860 --> 01:03:06,196 - The point was that my perfectionistic tendencies, 1173 01:03:06,198 --> 01:03:07,966 translated into the interaction last night. 1174 01:03:07,968 --> 01:03:08,894 - I don't know, I'm asking... - No, but that's 1175 01:03:08,896 --> 01:03:09,863 what you said. 1176 01:03:09,865 --> 01:03:10,797 - No, I'm asking. 1177 01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:11,698 I'm posing it as a question 1178 01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:13,229 not make it a statement at all. 1179 01:03:13,231 --> 01:03:14,896 - I'm not sure I feel like that's fair. 1180 01:03:14,898 --> 01:03:15,928 - I'm not offering a judgement. 1181 01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:17,495 I posed a question. 1182 01:03:17,497 --> 01:03:21,295 Somewhere in your head you went to that feels unfair, 1183 01:03:21,297 --> 01:03:22,823 because it felt like maybe I was judging. 1184 01:03:22,825 --> 01:03:25,264 I'm not judging you at all, not even remotely. 1185 01:03:25,266 --> 01:03:27,162 So, can you pick the pinch point that could be it. 1186 01:03:27,164 --> 01:03:29,761 It could be a trivial example of it. 1187 01:03:29,763 --> 01:03:30,763 That's all. 1188 01:03:33,325 --> 01:03:34,791 - Happy chatting. 1189 01:03:39,531 --> 01:03:40,531 - Yeah. 1190 01:03:43,330 --> 01:03:45,461 If you don't treat people with respect 1191 01:03:45,463 --> 01:03:48,063 and you don't value what they bring to the table, 1192 01:03:48,065 --> 01:03:51,197 then these women have no incentive 1193 01:03:52,596 --> 01:03:56,057 to help Homeward Bound in it's movement forward. 1194 01:03:56,059 --> 01:03:59,298 - If you're unhappy with anything that you see in this, 1195 01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:03,589 just be so safe coming to myself or a member of the faculty 1196 01:04:03,591 --> 01:04:04,833 and just saying, "You know what, 1197 01:04:04,835 --> 01:04:06,131 "I absolutely get your intention on it 1198 01:04:06,133 --> 01:04:08,162 "but I'm wondering if that actually worked," 1199 01:04:08,164 --> 01:04:09,632 which is a suggestion on the table. 1200 01:04:09,634 --> 01:04:11,164 Then it'll go into the notebook. 1201 01:04:11,166 --> 01:04:14,092 We trust you, we absolutely trust your voices. 1202 01:04:14,094 --> 01:04:15,261 - The main issue 1203 01:04:15,263 --> 01:04:17,698 is that a lot of people feel like Fabian 1204 01:04:17,700 --> 01:04:19,529 has been verbally harassing them 1205 01:04:19,531 --> 01:04:22,063 in front of the rest of the group and vilifying them a bit. 1206 01:04:22,065 --> 01:04:25,031 So it's a number of different people 1207 01:04:25,033 --> 01:04:27,126 and women on board, who have felt that way. 1208 01:04:27,128 --> 01:04:28,465 And, enough is enough, 1209 01:04:28,467 --> 01:04:29,857 if this was a guy, 1210 01:04:29,859 --> 01:04:31,329 we would have been confronting it a while ago 1211 01:04:31,331 --> 01:04:33,566 so, why aren't we doing it because it's a woman? 1212 01:04:33,568 --> 01:04:34,962 It seems a bit ridiculous, 1213 01:04:34,964 --> 01:04:36,394 especially given where we are 1214 01:04:36,396 --> 01:04:37,964 and what we're trying to learn about. 1215 01:04:37,966 --> 01:04:40,792 - Sometimes people are aggressive. 1216 01:04:40,794 --> 01:04:44,632 Some type of people do things to humiliate people. 1217 01:04:44,634 --> 01:04:46,628 I'm not one of those people. 1218 01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:49,030 Some people are often dealing with stuff in their life 1219 01:04:49,032 --> 01:04:51,291 where a parent was very aggressive, 1220 01:04:51,293 --> 01:04:53,030 did put them down a lot. 1221 01:04:53,032 --> 01:04:54,358 And they've got to step out of that 1222 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,296 to see it's not happening now. 1223 01:04:57,834 --> 01:05:01,690 And if you facilitate that yourself, 1224 01:05:01,692 --> 01:05:03,189 do you see that it might help you? 1225 01:05:03,191 --> 01:05:04,726 - Yeah. 1226 01:05:04,728 --> 01:05:07,028 I know it's just figuring out how to go about it. 1227 01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:08,562 That would be incredible. 1228 01:05:08,564 --> 01:05:10,884 - So the thing is you actually don't have to overthink it. 1229 01:05:12,168 --> 01:05:13,525 You have to ask a question, that's all you have to do. 1230 01:05:13,527 --> 01:05:15,328 And there's a certain magic happens. 1231 01:05:15,330 --> 01:05:17,495 So, you just simply got to stay calm. 1232 01:05:17,497 --> 01:05:20,027 Don't second guess them, which is your own journey. 1233 01:05:20,029 --> 01:05:21,196 Don't worry about them. 1234 01:05:21,198 --> 01:05:22,857 Don't worry about their judgement of you. 1235 01:05:22,859 --> 01:05:25,892 Simply get three stories and watch what happens. 1236 01:05:29,495 --> 01:05:33,258 - I'm obviously a bit of the repository, 1237 01:05:33,260 --> 01:05:34,932 either apparent figure 1238 01:05:34,934 --> 01:05:37,460 or a leader figure that they struggle with. 1239 01:05:37,462 --> 01:05:39,495 So, I've had far more feedback in this 1240 01:05:39,497 --> 01:05:43,494 than I've ever had before about the way I speak, 1241 01:05:44,698 --> 01:05:46,032 the way I behave, 1242 01:05:47,799 --> 01:05:49,324 I've had a couple recently 1243 01:05:49,326 --> 01:05:52,561 as things as alien to me 1244 01:05:52,563 --> 01:05:56,231 as a possibility of humiliating someone or pushing them. 1245 01:05:56,233 --> 01:05:59,664 Now, I would no more do that than fly to the moon. 1246 01:05:59,666 --> 01:06:00,865 So instead of being able 1247 01:06:00,867 --> 01:06:02,556 to deal with a situation constructively, 1248 01:06:02,558 --> 01:06:04,558 they slip back into their story, 1249 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,164 and their story dictates what they see. 1250 01:06:07,166 --> 01:06:10,297 Now if I can turn that, that's an insane lesson. 1251 01:06:10,299 --> 01:06:13,031 Because if you carry your story into a context, 1252 01:06:13,033 --> 01:06:16,125 you'll project something that isn't there. 1253 01:06:22,531 --> 01:06:24,193 By now, 1254 01:06:24,195 --> 01:06:26,659 the clever ones amongst you, 1255 01:06:28,067 --> 01:06:30,292 will be digesting that you're in the presence 1256 01:06:30,294 --> 01:06:32,131 of a lot of leadership experts. 1257 01:06:33,297 --> 01:06:35,230 And we are watching and observing you, 1258 01:06:36,395 --> 01:06:39,324 talking to you, picking up stories, 1259 01:06:39,326 --> 01:06:40,726 giving more feedback 1260 01:06:40,728 --> 01:06:43,325 about other people's behaviour from individuals, 1261 01:06:43,327 --> 01:06:44,923 than seems as humanly possible. 1262 01:06:46,933 --> 01:06:49,763 We've had lots of great feedback, 1263 01:06:49,765 --> 01:06:52,324 lots of great feedback, 1264 01:06:52,326 --> 01:06:53,326 about other people. 1265 01:06:54,794 --> 01:06:57,832 Now we're gonna have a lot of feedback about you. 1266 01:06:57,834 --> 01:06:59,561 And you know what the data tells us, 1267 01:06:59,563 --> 01:07:02,923 one in three women have experienced some form of abuse. 1268 01:07:02,925 --> 01:07:06,094 If you come from Australia, the data's worse. 1269 01:07:06,096 --> 01:07:07,424 So this is not a pretty story, 1270 01:07:07,426 --> 01:07:09,159 but it's about letting it go. 1271 01:07:09,161 --> 01:07:10,328 - Fabian's whole point 1272 01:07:10,330 --> 01:07:13,061 is to delve into someone's psychology, 1273 01:07:13,063 --> 01:07:15,865 to make more effective leaders. 1274 01:07:15,867 --> 01:07:18,196 Two women now have actually had... 1275 01:07:18,198 --> 01:07:21,292 One we know has had a psychological break 1276 01:07:21,294 --> 01:07:23,790 and one is extremely distressed 1277 01:07:23,792 --> 01:07:26,965 by some of the circumstances of her past 1278 01:07:26,967 --> 01:07:29,229 that have re-emerged as part of this process. 1279 01:07:29,231 --> 01:07:31,593 - Massive low light was seeing a friend 1280 01:07:31,595 --> 01:07:35,259 in just the worst emotional state I've ever... 1281 01:07:35,261 --> 01:07:37,624 Like almost ever seen anyone. 1282 01:07:37,626 --> 01:07:39,993 And she basically went into shock, 1283 01:07:39,995 --> 01:07:40,995 and I haven't... 1284 01:07:41,934 --> 01:07:44,565 I've talked to her since, but she has... 1285 01:07:44,567 --> 01:07:45,962 Yeah, we were in public. 1286 01:07:45,964 --> 01:07:48,163 We were in public all the time. 1287 01:07:48,165 --> 01:07:49,757 It's exhausting, it's fucking exhausting. 1288 01:07:49,759 --> 01:07:51,956 There's always someone around listening. 1289 01:07:54,164 --> 01:07:55,661 And I'm not sure what triggered it, 1290 01:07:55,663 --> 01:07:58,131 but the faculty said they were aware that it was coming. 1291 01:07:58,995 --> 01:08:00,597 So, I don't know. 1292 01:08:02,026 --> 01:08:04,098 - You know without a psychology background, 1293 01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:07,126 I think that we start to raise some ethical 1294 01:08:07,128 --> 01:08:09,263 and moral issues around, 1295 01:08:09,265 --> 01:08:12,665 asking people to delve deeply into their past 1296 01:08:12,667 --> 01:08:14,330 without any support structures 1297 01:08:14,332 --> 01:08:18,292 or any licenced therapists who can deal with people 1298 01:08:18,294 --> 01:08:20,263 who are deeply distressed. 1299 01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:25,196 - Marshall, myself and Jules, 1300 01:08:25,198 --> 01:08:27,131 between us probably have 70 years of experience 1301 01:08:27,133 --> 01:08:30,394 at doing this significantly more qualified, 1302 01:08:30,396 --> 01:08:33,000 than your average clinical psychomythology 1303 01:08:33,002 --> 01:08:35,030 around clinical psychology of any clinical sites 1304 01:08:35,032 --> 01:08:36,559 will finish with an understanding, 1305 01:08:36,561 --> 01:08:38,258 and now they have to do the practise. 1306 01:08:47,495 --> 01:08:48,924 - That's the size of a small building 1307 01:08:48,926 --> 01:08:51,659 and it's going up and down, three, four metres. 1308 01:08:53,101 --> 01:08:55,725 The foot of it is being worn away by the current. 1309 01:08:58,396 --> 01:09:01,427 And they start to rock, and then they flipped. 1310 01:09:01,429 --> 01:09:04,195 But, you know, it might take half a day, 1311 01:09:04,197 --> 01:09:06,428 or might do it in five minutes time. 1312 01:09:07,627 --> 01:09:09,692 That whole arch is above the open being. 1313 01:09:11,594 --> 01:09:14,828 But it won't stand too much as everyone knows. 1314 01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:35,160 - When you're setting yourself up to be a role model 1315 01:09:35,162 --> 01:09:36,362 in a leadership programme, 1316 01:09:37,795 --> 01:09:42,329 and you're pushing people to think and be self-reflective, 1317 01:09:43,228 --> 01:09:45,160 they're gonna push back on you 1318 01:09:45,162 --> 01:09:46,830 and say, "Well, how about you? 1319 01:09:46,832 --> 01:09:48,428 "Are you being that role model?" 1320 01:09:54,462 --> 01:09:56,231 - My sense is that from watching Fabian 1321 01:09:56,233 --> 01:09:59,328 from the start of the week to the end of the week, 1322 01:09:59,330 --> 01:10:02,131 I think that she maybe herself realised 1323 01:10:02,133 --> 01:10:04,498 that she does not have the capacity to manage 1324 01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:05,500 what has come up. 1325 01:10:13,897 --> 01:10:14,999 - Pretty disappointed. 1326 01:10:16,131 --> 01:10:17,725 I don't think I have ever lost my... 1327 01:10:20,797 --> 01:10:21,956 My voice ever. 1328 01:11:34,966 --> 01:11:37,165 - By day 10, I was starting to feel 1329 01:11:37,167 --> 01:11:41,093 just as I was about to start the strategy programme. 1330 01:11:41,095 --> 01:11:43,295 I might've had enough. 1331 01:11:43,297 --> 01:11:45,857 It might be too long this 20 day programme. 1332 01:11:47,294 --> 01:11:49,692 However, we're on day 15, 1333 01:11:51,135 --> 01:11:54,957 and everybody's starting to feel we don't have enough time. 1334 01:11:54,959 --> 01:11:59,324 So in the original plan, I had eight, two hour slots 1335 01:11:59,326 --> 01:12:01,061 which would be 16 hours. 1336 01:12:01,063 --> 01:12:04,066 I think I've done four hours, 1337 01:12:04,068 --> 01:12:06,624 because Fabian literature piece was taking longer. 1338 01:12:06,626 --> 01:12:09,460 We've cut so much out of strategy. 1339 01:12:09,462 --> 01:12:11,057 - We cut so much out of everything. 1340 01:12:11,059 --> 01:12:15,698 - I haven't had time to actually start addressing the issue 1341 01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:17,232 of what kind of goals you set. 1342 01:12:17,234 --> 01:12:19,325 - The whole of you can have no freaking idea 1343 01:12:19,327 --> 01:12:20,559 what we're even talking about. 1344 01:12:20,561 --> 01:12:21,766 - So they know where to plug it. 1345 01:12:21,768 --> 01:12:22,931 - He has to pull us from up there. 1346 01:12:22,933 --> 01:12:24,533 - We've done it. - Hit the pause button. 1347 01:12:27,595 --> 01:12:30,624 - We are missing the key part of the integration. 1348 01:12:30,626 --> 01:12:32,226 We've heard you put it all together 1349 01:12:32,228 --> 01:12:33,631 in the personal strategy then. 1350 01:12:33,633 --> 01:12:34,725 - What's the outcome? 1351 01:12:36,393 --> 01:12:38,895 - This whole programme design, 1352 01:12:38,897 --> 01:12:40,830 has flipping worked. 1353 01:12:40,832 --> 01:12:42,362 - Look who got a total pull up. 1354 01:12:43,462 --> 01:12:45,459 - I do feel like there's a need for strategy 1355 01:12:45,461 --> 01:12:46,856 just from the conversation I've had. 1356 01:12:46,858 --> 01:12:49,230 And even just blogs I'm getting every day, 1357 01:12:49,232 --> 01:12:50,863 it's like, "How are we gonna implement this? 1358 01:12:50,865 --> 01:12:52,364 "And what are we're gonna do?" 1359 01:12:52,366 --> 01:12:56,328 In a meeting where a certain perspective is not shared, 1360 01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:59,759 then do I push myself in saying something 1361 01:12:59,761 --> 01:13:02,133 that might not be comfortable for other people, 1362 01:13:02,135 --> 01:13:05,592 those times I remind myself, "Okay, you need to step up." 1363 01:13:05,594 --> 01:13:07,494 And that's when I think I'm a leader. 1364 01:13:08,659 --> 01:13:09,899 - I've got meeting fatigue, 1365 01:13:09,901 --> 01:13:11,296 I need to... - I'm gonna too, this is just 1366 01:13:11,298 --> 01:13:12,492 not very helpful. - Wait, the diversity piece 1367 01:13:12,494 --> 01:13:14,391 I thought it would come out here. 1368 01:13:14,393 --> 01:13:15,927 - Hi Faby. - Hi bro Joe. 1369 01:13:15,929 --> 01:13:16,999 - Alright now. 1370 01:13:18,465 --> 01:13:20,626 - Everybody has a plan till you get punched in the face. 1371 01:13:20,628 --> 01:13:24,130 And we got punched in the face from day one. 1372 01:13:24,132 --> 01:13:27,565 I always go back to the faculty meeting, 1373 01:13:27,567 --> 01:13:29,197 where we laid out this 1374 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,192 in Fabian's language, 1375 01:13:34,194 --> 01:13:36,229 "Insane," programme. 1376 01:13:36,231 --> 01:13:38,625 - I'm pretty fast walk away, I tell you. 1377 01:13:38,627 --> 01:13:40,157 You know I've always been good at that. 1378 01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:41,625 There will be a point where I just go, "No, couldn't do it." 1379 01:13:41,627 --> 01:13:44,361 And I came close again to that last night, 1380 01:13:44,363 --> 01:13:45,665 because I thought we had turned a corner 1381 01:13:45,667 --> 01:13:47,799 and then in faculty meeting, 1382 01:13:47,801 --> 01:13:49,428 it felt like it went south again. 1383 01:13:59,561 --> 01:14:01,793 - It's important to have a visionary, 1384 01:14:01,795 --> 01:14:06,791 but also a good leader should be able to really listen. 1385 01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:10,626 There is a fundamental slot 1386 01:14:10,628 --> 01:14:14,032 to always have just one leader for any project. 1387 01:14:17,264 --> 01:14:19,826 There could be a blind spot about the cells 1388 01:14:19,828 --> 01:14:24,824 and whether the individual, the leader is self-aware enough. 1389 01:14:28,325 --> 01:14:29,725 - Thanks guys. 1390 01:14:29,727 --> 01:14:34,758 So here a journey is the story of ordinary people 1391 01:14:35,768 --> 01:14:37,997 called to an extraordinary journey. 1392 01:14:37,999 --> 01:14:39,830 And at some stages you journey out, 1393 01:14:39,832 --> 01:14:41,998 you get onto the road of trials. 1394 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,994 Things are never quite as easy as you imagined 1395 01:14:44,996 --> 01:14:46,632 and the road is rough, 1396 01:14:46,634 --> 01:14:49,629 and the path is rocky and... 1397 01:14:54,195 --> 01:14:55,866 - We are surrounded by whales 1398 01:14:55,868 --> 01:14:57,658 and have been for a little bit of time. 1399 01:14:57,660 --> 01:15:00,229 If you see a whale in the next three minutes, 1400 01:15:00,231 --> 01:15:02,123 just take a breath and then hold on fine. 1401 01:15:02,125 --> 01:15:05,196 'Cause we have actually got an important message for you. 1402 01:15:05,198 --> 01:15:08,692 The ride of trials is paved with whales. 1403 01:15:08,694 --> 01:15:10,832 But you're not on a training programme, folks, 1404 01:15:10,834 --> 01:15:12,632 you're on a leadership initiative. 1405 01:15:12,634 --> 01:15:14,033 And the test of our leadership 1406 01:15:14,035 --> 01:15:16,865 is not actually when things are going really well. 1407 01:15:16,867 --> 01:15:18,698 The test of our leadership capabilities 1408 01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:20,663 is when things are a bit sticky. 1409 01:15:20,665 --> 01:15:21,856 And so together, 1410 01:15:21,858 --> 01:15:24,829 we're gonna work out how to make this something 1411 01:15:24,831 --> 01:15:26,263 that is so special, 1412 01:15:26,265 --> 01:15:29,129 it creates and then leaves an enduring legacy. 1413 01:15:29,131 --> 01:15:31,862 And you were the first 76 of a 1000. 1414 01:15:31,864 --> 01:15:33,457 So, manage your energy, 1415 01:15:33,459 --> 01:15:35,726 manage your conversations, 1416 01:15:35,728 --> 01:15:37,894 give yourselves a round of applause for being here. 1417 01:15:39,861 --> 01:15:40,861 - Good. 1418 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,358 - It's only coming to in end in 24 hours, 1419 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,127 eight minutes and 32 seconds. 1420 01:16:03,129 --> 01:16:04,793 No, I'm not counting the time. 1421 01:16:08,329 --> 01:16:10,059 Probably just a little fucking bit. 1422 01:16:51,426 --> 01:16:52,924 - Do you think 1423 01:16:52,926 --> 01:16:54,806 that you will get anything out of it personally? 1424 01:16:58,431 --> 01:17:02,461 - I do, and I think despite some of the problems 1425 01:17:03,599 --> 01:17:05,033 with the content, 1426 01:17:05,035 --> 01:17:07,297 I think that women are gonna come away with a lot. 1427 01:17:07,299 --> 01:17:09,528 Nevertheless, because they've had this opportunity 1428 01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:12,490 to experience being with the most women scientists 1429 01:17:12,492 --> 01:17:13,757 you've ever seen in your life, 1430 01:17:13,759 --> 01:17:15,997 that's a kinda mind blowing perspective. 1431 01:17:15,999 --> 01:17:17,559 - There were very divergent views 1432 01:17:17,561 --> 01:17:20,027 about what's worked, what hasn't worked 1433 01:17:20,029 --> 01:17:21,562 and everyone in the room 1434 01:17:21,564 --> 01:17:24,394 has a very different level of comfort with what feels safe 1435 01:17:24,396 --> 01:17:26,559 depending on who's in or out of the room. 1436 01:17:26,561 --> 01:17:29,261 Some wanted to have that discussion separately, 1437 01:17:29,263 --> 01:17:31,498 others wanted to include the faculty. 1438 01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:34,591 Anyone who would like to go down 1439 01:17:34,593 --> 01:17:36,460 into the faculty room, please do so, 1440 01:17:36,462 --> 01:17:39,290 there aren't many participants down there. 1441 01:17:43,467 --> 01:17:44,625 - Some people felt 1442 01:17:44,627 --> 01:17:45,928 that they were unable to say something 1443 01:17:45,930 --> 01:17:47,626 in front of the faculty. 1444 01:17:47,628 --> 01:17:49,160 That worries me, because that's the whole purpose 1445 01:17:49,162 --> 01:17:50,626 of what we've been doing, 1446 01:17:50,628 --> 01:17:52,790 is to get you into a place where you feel safe. 1447 01:17:52,792 --> 01:17:54,996 - So for now, we're going to ask the groups 1448 01:17:54,998 --> 01:17:57,762 to come back and chat in plenary. 1449 01:17:59,528 --> 01:18:01,024 - Do I get from accurate version. 1450 01:18:02,393 --> 01:18:04,796 - Okay, let's get into it. 1451 01:18:04,798 --> 01:18:06,632 - What did not work? 1452 01:18:06,634 --> 01:18:08,632 A lack of content on challenges 1453 01:18:08,634 --> 01:18:10,998 specifically for women in STEMM? 1454 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,462 - The one thing we would like to propose, 1455 01:18:13,464 --> 01:18:18,461 is to have a new facilitator for the whole voyage. 1456 01:18:19,799 --> 01:18:23,290 So, that can be done easily too. 1457 01:18:30,329 --> 01:18:32,226 - For two years, it's been loving, 1458 01:18:32,228 --> 01:18:34,231 collaborative, purposeful. 1459 01:18:34,233 --> 01:18:37,065 It's been an amoeba, that's grown exponentially. 1460 01:18:38,362 --> 01:18:39,859 And it's coming to this environment, 1461 01:18:39,861 --> 01:18:42,657 and it's all made smaller a little more mean-spirited. 1462 01:18:42,659 --> 01:18:44,490 Now, I've got to not feel that way. 1463 01:18:44,492 --> 01:18:45,723 I've gotta not react that way. 1464 01:18:45,725 --> 01:18:46,899 So, there's been a couple of times 1465 01:18:46,901 --> 01:18:49,790 where I thought, "Jesus fucking Christ! 1466 01:18:49,792 --> 01:18:52,059 "Would somebody just come and say thank you?" 1467 01:18:54,934 --> 01:18:57,097 - Quick notice around the ship. 1468 01:18:57,099 --> 01:18:59,659 The next stage of your transformation. 1469 01:19:01,134 --> 01:19:02,790 The transformation is almost complete actually. 1470 01:19:02,792 --> 01:19:04,866 We've just gone North of 60 degrees South 1471 01:19:04,868 --> 01:19:07,562 so you're politically out of Antarctic. 1472 01:19:07,564 --> 01:19:11,890 But, we're probably biologically still in the cold waters. 1473 01:19:13,065 --> 01:19:14,292 We don't believe we've quite crossed 1474 01:19:14,294 --> 01:19:16,026 the Antarctic convergency. 1475 01:19:27,462 --> 01:19:29,698 - This experience has been both trying 1476 01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:31,923 and exhilarating and phenomenal, 1477 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:34,400 eye opening. 1478 01:19:35,528 --> 01:19:38,824 And I'm not gonna say life-changing yet. 1479 01:19:38,826 --> 01:19:41,927 We'll see how everything we've learned goes over 1480 01:19:41,929 --> 01:19:42,929 when I get home. 1481 01:19:49,227 --> 01:19:50,230 - Dry land. 1482 01:19:51,095 --> 01:19:52,594 - I'm really excited. 1483 01:19:52,596 --> 01:19:54,636 It's been a long strange trip over the last 20 days. 1484 01:19:55,594 --> 01:19:59,129 - It's been hard, but also really powerful 1485 01:19:59,131 --> 01:20:01,957 because, I feel that I'm not alone. 1486 01:20:01,959 --> 01:20:06,357 It's of huge, global movement of women in science 1487 01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:08,057 that is happening now. 1488 01:20:08,059 --> 01:20:08,892 ♪ E 1489 01:20:08,894 --> 01:20:09,727 ♪ O 1490 01:20:09,729 --> 01:20:10,927 ♪ X 1491 01:20:14,162 --> 01:20:15,094 - I'm feeling really good. 1492 01:20:15,096 --> 01:20:16,995 Positive about the future. 1493 01:20:16,997 --> 01:20:18,357 Looking forward to things. 1494 01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:20,958 So go, actions stations. 1495 01:20:59,868 --> 01:21:01,196 - About three months after we returned 1496 01:21:01,198 --> 01:21:04,129 I was going to the video diaries from my study, 1497 01:21:04,131 --> 01:21:07,295 and my research assistant and I, Robin, 1498 01:21:07,297 --> 01:21:09,863 found a video from one of the women on the ship 1499 01:21:09,865 --> 01:21:11,956 who filmed herself crying 1500 01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:14,361 about five minutes 1501 01:21:14,363 --> 01:21:17,127 after one of the crew members came to her door 1502 01:21:17,129 --> 01:21:18,395 and tried to assault her. 1503 01:21:19,725 --> 01:21:21,757 So we immediately emailed this woman 1504 01:21:21,759 --> 01:21:23,228 and said, "We just watched your video, 1505 01:21:23,230 --> 01:21:25,429 "are you okay, can we do anything?" 1506 01:21:25,431 --> 01:21:29,028 She said, she had told one of the faculty members 1507 01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:30,659 at the time about this incident, 1508 01:21:32,068 --> 01:21:33,660 and was happy just talking to the faculty member, 1509 01:21:33,662 --> 01:21:35,828 getting support, and then that was the end of it. 1510 01:21:39,733 --> 01:21:40,997 But it was around the time 1511 01:21:40,999 --> 01:21:42,531 that the "Grist" article came out. 1512 01:21:50,692 --> 01:21:51,899 - We were obviously really shocked, 1513 01:21:51,901 --> 01:21:53,195 because this was a totally different person 1514 01:21:53,197 --> 01:21:55,399 with a totally different crew member. 1515 01:22:03,558 --> 01:22:04,896 But also this particular woman, 1516 01:22:04,898 --> 01:22:06,790 did not want to be identified. 1517 01:22:06,792 --> 01:22:08,796 And the "Grist" article effectively suggests 1518 01:22:08,798 --> 01:22:10,065 she did not give consent 1519 01:22:11,867 --> 01:22:13,129 and that she believes she had sex 1520 01:22:13,131 --> 01:22:14,824 with one of the male crew members. 1521 01:22:22,798 --> 01:22:25,956 - It was a tough story. 1522 01:22:27,132 --> 01:22:30,426 It was not accurate on many, many, many counts. 1523 01:22:30,428 --> 01:22:32,757 And yet, you know, my heart says, 1524 01:22:32,759 --> 01:22:34,665 where there was smoke, there was fire. 1525 01:22:34,667 --> 01:22:36,663 So, did something happen? 1526 01:22:42,297 --> 01:22:45,295 - I was so sad that this had happened to her, 1527 01:22:45,297 --> 01:22:48,329 because every single woman has these stories. 1528 01:22:51,259 --> 01:22:53,130 As you can see, 1529 01:22:53,132 --> 01:22:56,228 it's a very emotional thing that we go through 1530 01:22:56,230 --> 01:22:59,196 and getting the support of other women. 1531 01:22:59,198 --> 01:23:01,658 And getting the support of men importantly, 1532 01:23:01,660 --> 01:23:04,032 and being believed is a really big deal. 1533 01:23:05,432 --> 01:23:09,824 So that we can recognise that it is a systemic problem. 1534 01:23:14,492 --> 01:23:16,394 Even though we're on the ship 1535 01:23:16,396 --> 01:23:19,532 and it was all about female solidarity 1536 01:23:19,534 --> 01:23:21,099 and women's leadership 1537 01:23:21,101 --> 01:23:24,892 and supporting each other, even in that environment, 1538 01:23:24,894 --> 01:23:28,527 sexual assault and sexual harassment can still happen. 1539 01:23:29,959 --> 01:23:32,832 I mean, it indicative of the world that we live in 1540 01:23:32,834 --> 01:23:34,494 and how much more there is to do. 1541 01:23:35,558 --> 01:23:37,230 - So there were huge reviews, 1542 01:23:37,232 --> 01:23:40,393 many, many alumni involved in giving feedback, 1543 01:23:40,395 --> 01:23:42,857 massive like 61 changes were made. 1544 01:23:48,299 --> 01:23:51,830 We now have a clinical psychologist and a psychiatrist 1545 01:23:51,832 --> 01:23:53,197 as part of the health team. 1546 01:23:54,630 --> 01:23:56,990 Reporting lines, so in the event of something happening 1547 01:23:56,992 --> 01:23:59,130 that is untold or not expected, not what you want, 1548 01:23:59,132 --> 01:24:01,597 you know who to go to and when and how. 1549 01:24:08,431 --> 01:24:11,225 - I'm increasingly optimistic about Homeward Bound. 1550 01:24:11,227 --> 01:24:12,558 Because what we learned, 1551 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,297 it helped improve the next voyage. 1552 01:24:14,299 --> 01:24:16,998 And we have this cohort of women around the world, 1553 01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,826 who are doing amazing things in science 1554 01:24:19,828 --> 01:24:23,927 and living that mission of supporting other women in STEMM. 1555 01:24:35,563 --> 01:24:38,566 - During Homeward Bound, basically I got the chance 1556 01:24:38,568 --> 01:24:40,193 to show all other Chinese, 1557 01:24:40,195 --> 01:24:41,556 what Antarctica is about, 1558 01:24:41,558 --> 01:24:43,395 why this place is so important, 1559 01:24:43,397 --> 01:24:45,725 and how it's connected to our everyday life. 1560 01:24:48,662 --> 01:24:52,098 And I decided to launch a new venture, WildBound. 1561 01:24:54,068 --> 01:24:58,263 And we're hoping to cultivate the little scientists, 1562 01:24:58,265 --> 01:25:00,560 the little biologists, the little geologists 1563 01:25:01,766 --> 01:25:03,164 and especially little girls. 1564 01:25:04,562 --> 01:25:06,691 Right now, we have a mining hold on Antarctica 1565 01:25:06,693 --> 01:25:09,790 that we won't mine Antarctica until 2048. 1566 01:25:09,792 --> 01:25:12,658 And by then, everything will be renegotiated. 1567 01:25:12,660 --> 01:25:16,427 So I think educating children of 2048, 1568 01:25:16,429 --> 01:25:18,566 will be the decision maker of that day 1569 01:25:18,568 --> 01:25:20,032 will be really important. 1570 01:25:25,529 --> 01:25:27,632 - Probably doing a hundred base per regions. 1571 01:25:27,634 --> 01:25:28,632 - At the ends of each chromosome 1572 01:25:28,634 --> 01:25:31,024 are really, really separate. 1573 01:25:31,026 --> 01:25:34,429 When the report came out, the gender pay gap in science 1574 01:25:34,431 --> 01:25:36,628 was bigger than any other industry in Australia, 1575 01:25:36,630 --> 01:25:39,796 it was like, well I'd better start changing the stats. 1576 01:25:39,798 --> 01:25:42,065 You go, you go, girl. 1577 01:25:42,964 --> 01:25:44,395 You go ask for that pay rise. 1578 01:25:45,766 --> 01:25:47,390 I argued for the seniority, 1579 01:25:47,392 --> 01:25:48,625 and then they called me 1580 01:25:48,627 --> 01:25:51,357 and asked if this pay was acceptable. 1581 01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:52,999 And, I almost squealed. 1582 01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,829 Don't say anything, okay. 1583 01:25:56,831 --> 01:25:58,189 Put the phone down. 1584 01:26:00,662 --> 01:26:03,362 I'm heading up the molecular biology side of our lab. 1585 01:26:04,327 --> 01:26:06,527 I'm really enjoying the idea 1586 01:26:06,529 --> 01:26:09,558 that I can direct some of the research here. 1587 01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:13,032 We look at how the genetics of people 1588 01:26:13,034 --> 01:26:15,229 affect whether you can treat them for malaria 1589 01:26:15,231 --> 01:26:17,529 in populations that are very resourceful 1590 01:26:17,531 --> 01:26:21,460 in Cambodia, Thailand, Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea. 1591 01:26:21,462 --> 01:26:24,625 And so often this kind of high-tech sequencing 1592 01:26:24,627 --> 01:26:26,993 hasn't been done with those populations. 1593 01:26:29,366 --> 01:26:31,826 - It's nice that Sarah's in a good senior scientist role. 1594 01:26:31,828 --> 01:26:34,693 That would have been helped a long by Homeward Bound. 1595 01:26:34,695 --> 01:26:37,060 - Yeah, I'm much more confident to be ambitious 1596 01:26:37,062 --> 01:26:38,296 in what I want to do, 1597 01:26:39,732 --> 01:26:41,030 just to be proud of it. 1598 01:26:41,032 --> 01:26:42,530 I'm happy with who I am and how I am, 1599 01:26:42,532 --> 01:26:45,098 I don't have to worry so much about what other people think. 1600 01:26:45,964 --> 01:26:47,531 And I can just go for it. 1601 01:26:53,733 --> 01:26:55,164 - After 11 years, 1602 01:26:55,166 --> 01:26:58,097 I finally got a permanent job in soil science. 1603 01:26:58,099 --> 01:27:00,389 And it includes some really exciting research 1604 01:27:00,391 --> 01:27:01,428 here in Indonesia. 1605 01:27:02,659 --> 01:27:04,691 Before I started working on this project, 1606 01:27:04,693 --> 01:27:07,525 I assumed that the Southeast Asian haze 1607 01:27:07,527 --> 01:27:11,259 was traffic smoke, industrial smoke. 1608 01:27:11,261 --> 01:27:13,560 It's actually peat burning. 1609 01:27:16,332 --> 01:27:18,965 The Mega Rice Project installed this amazing network 1610 01:27:18,967 --> 01:27:21,490 of canals, pulling water out of the system, 1611 01:27:21,492 --> 01:27:23,395 so that they could grow rice. 1612 01:27:24,794 --> 01:27:28,031 Instead they've caused this catastrophic situation, 1613 01:27:28,033 --> 01:27:30,993 where the peat catches on fire again and again. 1614 01:27:33,997 --> 01:27:36,094 Because the burn is much slower 1615 01:27:36,096 --> 01:27:38,028 than when a forest is burning, 1616 01:27:38,030 --> 01:27:40,463 we get incomplete combustion 1617 01:27:40,465 --> 01:27:45,292 and really noxious, toxic gases coming out of the peat. 1618 01:27:53,868 --> 01:27:56,958 It's crucial to work with the locals on this, 1619 01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,193 because they are experiencing devastating health effects 1620 01:27:59,195 --> 01:28:00,593 as a result of those fires. 1621 01:28:02,161 --> 01:28:03,460 I feel like this project 1622 01:28:03,462 --> 01:28:06,292 has the potential to have a big impact, 1623 01:28:06,294 --> 01:28:08,096 and I really wanna be out here 1624 01:28:08,098 --> 01:28:09,498 do research that makes a difference. 1625 01:28:13,462 --> 01:28:15,062 And I get to get dirty every single time. 1626 01:28:23,165 --> 01:28:25,632 - When Deborah came back from Homeward Bound, 1627 01:28:25,634 --> 01:28:28,197 she was almost a new person. 1628 01:28:29,626 --> 01:28:33,428 Well, she was always very energetic, 1629 01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:35,657 and always wanting to do one million things 1630 01:28:35,659 --> 01:28:37,825 when you only have time to do 10. 1631 01:28:37,827 --> 01:28:40,365 And now it wasn't only one million but 10 million. 1632 01:28:44,593 --> 01:28:45,999 - Since I've done Homeward Bound, 1633 01:28:46,001 --> 01:28:47,929 if the people I'm working with are not happy 1634 01:28:47,931 --> 01:28:49,261 with me having a second baby, 1635 01:28:49,263 --> 01:28:51,292 then I'm not happy working with them. 1636 01:28:51,294 --> 01:28:52,927 That's as simple as that. 1637 01:28:54,561 --> 01:28:57,358 I'm challenging myself to reinvent myself 1638 01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,764 not only being a scientist, 1639 01:28:58,766 --> 01:29:00,395 but being an entrepreneur, 1640 01:29:00,397 --> 01:29:03,229 bridging science with the rest of the world, 1641 01:29:03,231 --> 01:29:07,558 fighting for the best of the environment, 1642 01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,663 and the society at the same time. 1643 01:29:11,558 --> 01:29:13,790 Homeward Bound it's the key. 1644 01:29:13,792 --> 01:29:16,325 We are always in touch on social media 1645 01:29:16,327 --> 01:29:17,995 whenever one has a question, 1646 01:29:17,997 --> 01:29:20,328 everybody answers in 24 hours 1647 01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:23,031 based on the full day around the world. 1648 01:29:23,033 --> 01:29:26,457 In 10 years, I can't imagine the strength 1649 01:29:26,459 --> 01:29:27,958 of the network we will have. 1650 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:32,092 And I can't even predict the things we'll be able to do. 1651 01:29:36,101 --> 01:29:38,795 - The second group of women returned from Antarctica 1652 01:29:38,797 --> 01:29:40,264 in March, 2018 1653 01:29:40,266 --> 01:29:43,059 and the third group will go in December this year. 1654 01:30:02,363 --> 01:30:05,965 - So we're up to 500 of the target of a 1000. 1655 01:30:05,967 --> 01:30:07,764 The fourth voyage is just about to go, 1656 01:30:07,766 --> 01:30:09,560 the fifth voyage is pending. 1657 01:30:11,263 --> 01:30:15,193 We have 48 nationalities and 36 sciences. 1658 01:30:15,195 --> 01:30:16,790 It's just grown exponentially. 1659 01:30:16,792 --> 01:30:19,625 And it grew off the back of that first, 1660 01:30:19,627 --> 01:30:22,461 what I would call deeply disrupted pot stirring 1661 01:30:22,463 --> 01:30:24,630 that happened at the end of the first programme. 1662 01:30:27,626 --> 01:30:30,028 I had to face who I was as a leader. 1663 01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:32,832 And, I think that I saw things 1664 01:30:32,834 --> 01:30:34,890 that I didn't like about who I was. 1665 01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:40,465 I must have been terrifying and overwhelming and bossy. 1666 01:30:40,467 --> 01:30:41,762 And. 1667 01:30:41,764 --> 01:30:44,323 So, way too much. 1668 01:30:49,925 --> 01:30:52,599 And I learned some really basic stuff in this. 1669 01:30:52,601 --> 01:30:54,592 I'm a very tactile person 1670 01:30:54,594 --> 01:30:57,362 and I had to learn just don't assume that. 1671 01:30:58,400 --> 01:30:59,400 Talk slower. 1672 01:31:00,029 --> 01:31:01,692 Australians swear a lot. 1673 01:31:02,928 --> 01:31:04,463 Don't swear. 1674 01:31:04,465 --> 01:31:09,461 Be more aware of how other people will respond to you, 1675 01:31:10,527 --> 01:31:11,961 if we're to be genuinely inclusive. 1676 01:31:11,963 --> 01:31:13,957 So, I'm not pretending 1677 01:31:13,959 --> 01:31:18,158 that there aren't times when I want to be a pirate. 1678 01:31:19,695 --> 01:31:23,894 But it's not okay if I'm a leader in amongst many, 1679 01:31:23,896 --> 01:31:25,290 that's not okay. 1680 01:31:28,230 --> 01:31:29,962 And I think we need that globally. 1681 01:31:29,964 --> 01:31:31,259 I think we need that mindset. 1682 01:31:31,261 --> 01:31:32,631 It's okay to make mistakes. 1683 01:31:32,633 --> 01:31:33,990 It's not end of days. 1684 01:31:33,992 --> 01:31:36,991 It's okay not to be everything that you want to be. 1685 01:31:36,993 --> 01:31:41,428 It's okay for me not to like parts of how I come across. 1686 01:31:43,029 --> 01:31:44,197 So, change it Faby. 1687 01:31:45,261 --> 01:31:46,756 When I had that realisation, 1688 01:31:46,758 --> 01:31:50,824 I felt less awkward about this film. 1689 01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:57,364 Less like, "Oh my God, I'm such a horrible leader. 1690 01:31:59,128 --> 01:32:01,263 "Oh, I look like a man." 1691 01:32:02,393 --> 01:32:05,259 To, no it's okay, keep going. 1692 01:32:05,261 --> 01:32:06,193 That's what we're gonna do 1693 01:32:06,195 --> 01:32:07,629 is to just have to be brave. 1694 01:32:07,631 --> 01:32:08,631 Keep going. 1695 01:32:13,868 --> 01:32:17,527 I've let go of the need to be something 1696 01:32:18,627 --> 01:32:21,762 to feel that if I didn't force it through, 1697 01:32:21,764 --> 01:32:23,356 it wouldn't happen 1698 01:32:23,358 --> 01:32:24,559 to begin to trust 1699 01:32:24,561 --> 01:32:27,198 when everyone's bought into the same ambition, 1700 01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,527 now you can let people take their part in the dance. 1701 01:32:31,768 --> 01:32:33,523 So, we have this wonderful woman on 1702 01:32:33,525 --> 01:32:35,323 who is now lead facilitator. 1703 01:32:37,461 --> 01:32:39,995 So it's the letting go I'm proud of. 1704 01:32:39,997 --> 01:32:41,494 Half of the faculty are alumni. 1705 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,893 Because no one person who cant do this. 1706 01:32:44,895 --> 01:32:46,526 It's stupid. 1707 01:32:46,528 --> 01:32:48,698 The world is in such a perilous state. 1708 01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:51,664 It needs all of us on deck, 1709 01:32:51,666 --> 01:32:53,263 giving the best we can 1710 01:32:53,265 --> 01:32:57,457 to generate the solutions our species needs. 1711 01:32:57,459 --> 01:32:58,958 That's what Homeward Bound is. 1712 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,027 It's ordinary heroes, trying to do something extraordinary. 1713 01:33:03,029 --> 01:33:04,556 It's not a revolution, 1714 01:33:04,558 --> 01:33:06,362 but it's a mighty evolution 1715 01:33:07,665 --> 01:33:08,665 of how we lead.