1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:10,478 --> 00:00:13,561 ♪ ♪ 4 00:00:16,228 --> 00:00:18,937 Newscaster 1: NEW AND FRIGHTENING WARNING FROM THE FBI 5 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:21,103 ON HACKERS USING MALICIOUS SOFTWARE 6 00:00:21,186 --> 00:00:23,895 TO LAUNCH A CYBER ATTACK AGAINST US BUSINESSES. 7 00:00:23,978 --> 00:00:26,770 Newscaster 2: IN SOME WAYS, IT'S A WHOLE NEW WAY OF MAKING WARFARE, 8 00:00:26,853 --> 00:00:28,895 AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT OVERSTATES IT ONE BIT. 9 00:00:28,978 --> 00:00:31,186 Mohammad Javad Zarif: THERE IS A CYBER WAR GOING ON. 10 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:33,853 The United States started that cyber war. 11 00:00:33,937 --> 00:00:35,353 Newscaster 3: THE FIRST CYBER WEAPON 12 00:00:35,436 --> 00:00:38,019 TO THREATEN TO DAMAGE TARGETS IN THE REAL WORLD. 13 00:00:38,103 --> 00:00:41,728 Newscaster 4: HACKERS IN PLACES LIKE CHINA, NORTH KOREA, IRAN, ELSEWHERE, 14 00:00:41,812 --> 00:00:45,978 ARE EXHIBITING THE CAPABILITY TO HIT THE POWER GRID. 15 00:00:46,061 --> 00:00:48,019 Newscaster 5: CHINESE STATE-BACKED HACKERS 16 00:00:48,103 --> 00:00:50,770 HAVE BEEN MOBILIZED WITH ONE TARGET IN MIND: 17 00:00:50,853 --> 00:00:54,812 ANYTHING TO DO WITH COVID-19 RELATED RESEARCH. 18 00:00:54,895 --> 00:00:58,436 Mark Warner: MANY OF THE THREATS IN THE 21ST CENTURY WILL BE IN CYBER: 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,019 MISINFORMATION, DISINFORMATION. 20 00:01:00,103 --> 00:01:01,978 Newscaster 6: YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK, TWITTER. 21 00:01:02,061 --> 00:01:03,603 WHATSAPP? INSTAGRAM? 22 00:01:03,687 --> 00:01:06,770 We are human species. We can be hacked. 23 00:01:06,853 --> 00:01:09,395 Newscaster 7: RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT HACKERS 24 00:01:09,478 --> 00:01:11,561 HAVE BREACHED THE NETWORK OF THE DNC. 25 00:01:11,645 --> 00:01:13,228 I don't think anybody knows it was Russia. 26 00:01:13,311 --> 00:01:14,853 Newscaster 8: RUSSIA, CHINA, AND OTHER COUNTRIES 27 00:01:14,937 --> 00:01:17,061 ARE COLLECTING STOLEN INFORMATION FROM HACKERS. 28 00:01:17,144 --> 00:01:18,395 Michael Rogers: TODAY WE FACE THREATS 29 00:01:18,478 --> 00:01:20,144 THAT HAVE INCREASED IN SOPHISTICATION, 30 00:01:20,228 --> 00:01:23,228 magnitude, intensity, volume, and velocity. 31 00:01:23,311 --> 00:01:25,395 What about the confidence in the vote? 32 00:01:25,478 --> 00:01:27,395 Andrea Mitchell: ESPECIALLY AGAINST THE BACKDROP 33 00:01:27,478 --> 00:01:29,687 OF THE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN 2016. 34 00:01:29,770 --> 00:01:32,061 Joe Biden: THEY'RE INVOLVED GOING AFTER ME ON FACEBOOK. 35 00:01:32,144 --> 00:01:33,436 Because Putin knows me, 36 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,311 and I know him, and he doesn't want me to be president. 37 00:01:35,395 --> 00:01:37,311 Newscaster 9: PRESIDENT TRUMP CLAIMED WITHOUT EVIDENCE, 38 00:01:37,395 --> 00:01:41,019 QUOTE, "RIGGED 2020 ELECTION WILL BE THE SCANDAL OF OUR TIMES." 39 00:01:41,103 --> 00:01:44,103 Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election? 40 00:01:44,186 --> 00:01:45,353 I have to see. 41 00:02:02,895 --> 00:02:04,353 Announcer: MADAM SPEAKER, 42 00:02:04,436 --> 00:02:07,228 the President of the United States. 43 00:02:07,311 --> 00:02:10,353 (cheering and applause) 44 00:02:17,019 --> 00:02:19,436 David Sanger: AT THE END OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, 45 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,311 PRESIDENT BUSH DECIDED HE HAD TO STOP 46 00:02:22,395 --> 00:02:24,103 THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR PROGRAM. 47 00:02:24,186 --> 00:02:26,937 The United Nations has imposed sanctions on Iran, 48 00:02:27,019 --> 00:02:30,478 and made it clear that the world will not allow the regime in Tehran 49 00:02:30,561 --> 00:02:32,144 to acquire nuclear weapons. 50 00:02:32,228 --> 00:02:34,144 (applause) 51 00:02:34,228 --> 00:02:35,853 But he had a problem. 52 00:02:37,353 --> 00:02:39,436 Colin Powell: MY SECOND PURPOSE TODAY IS TO SHARE WITH YOU 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,853 what the United States knows about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction... 54 00:02:43,937 --> 00:02:45,812 We had just gone to a war in Iraq 55 00:02:45,895 --> 00:02:49,019 on the false pretense that Iraq had a nuclear weapon. 56 00:02:50,395 --> 00:02:52,186 SO THERE WAS NO WAY HE WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO 57 00:02:52,269 --> 00:02:54,019 PUBLICLY CONVINCE THE WORLD 58 00:02:54,103 --> 00:02:58,978 TO GET INTO A CONFLICT WITH IRAN OVER ITS NUCLEAR PROGRAM. 59 00:02:59,061 --> 00:03:02,645 ONE DAY, A GROUP OF INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS 60 00:03:02,728 --> 00:03:04,895 AND MILITARY OFFICERS 61 00:03:04,978 --> 00:03:08,228 CAME TO THE PRESIDENT AND SAID, "SIR, WE HAVE ANOTHER WAY." 62 00:03:09,937 --> 00:03:14,478 THEY TOLD BUSH THAT A JOINT ISRAELI-AMERICAN CYBER TEAM 63 00:03:14,561 --> 00:03:16,228 HAD DESIGNED SOME CODE 64 00:03:16,311 --> 00:03:21,061 THAT COULD GET INTO THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR CONTROL SYSTEM. 65 00:03:21,144 --> 00:03:26,687 UNTIL THEN, COUNTRIES WERE USING CYBER TO STEAL DATA. 66 00:03:26,770 --> 00:03:28,895 TO SPY ON EACH OTHER. 67 00:03:30,186 --> 00:03:34,645 BUT ALMOST NO ONE HAD USED CYBER AS AN OFFENSIVE WEAPON. 68 00:03:37,228 --> 00:03:41,269 ♪ ♪ 69 00:03:44,311 --> 00:03:45,812 John Hultquist: THE PLAN WAS 70 00:03:45,895 --> 00:03:48,186 A PIECE OF MALWARE WOULD BE DELIVERED 71 00:03:48,269 --> 00:03:50,728 INTO THE INDUSTRIAL CONTROL SYSTEMS 72 00:03:50,812 --> 00:03:53,603 running the Iranian nuclear program. 73 00:03:55,228 --> 00:03:57,061 Michael Riley: THIS NETWORK WAS AIR GAPPED. 74 00:03:57,144 --> 00:03:59,561 IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET. 75 00:03:59,645 --> 00:04:03,812 So you had to have ways in which the code could jump onto those computers. 76 00:04:09,103 --> 00:04:13,520 Sanger: THERE'S STILL SOME MYSTERY ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THIS CODE 77 00:04:13,603 --> 00:04:16,728 MADE IT FROM THE NSA AND THE ISRAELI CYBER UNIT 78 00:04:16,812 --> 00:04:18,978 INTO THE NATANZ PLANT. 79 00:04:21,103 --> 00:04:22,561 THERE ARE MANY WAYS, 80 00:04:22,645 --> 00:04:25,436 INCLUDING SLIPPING IN A USB KEY. 81 00:04:26,937 --> 00:04:28,436 BUT WE ALSO NOW KNOW 82 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,019 THAT THE NSA HAD DESIGNED A BRILLIANT SMALL SYSTEM, 83 00:04:32,103 --> 00:04:34,103 ABOUT THE SIZE OF A BRIEFCASE, 84 00:04:34,186 --> 00:04:37,061 THAT COULD WORK FROM SIX OR SEVEN MILES AWAY, 85 00:04:37,144 --> 00:04:40,061 BEAMING COMPUTER CODE INTO A COMPUTER 86 00:04:40,144 --> 00:04:43,353 THAT HAD BEEN SET UP WITH A RECEIVER CHIP. 87 00:04:43,436 --> 00:04:47,269 AND THAT DEVICE COULD BE USED 88 00:04:47,353 --> 00:04:49,103 not only to put code in, 89 00:04:49,186 --> 00:04:51,687 but later to replace it and update it. 90 00:04:53,353 --> 00:04:55,228 Hultquist: ONCE THEY GOT IN, 91 00:04:55,311 --> 00:04:58,269 THE CODE STARTED UNLOCKING ITSELF, 92 00:04:58,353 --> 00:05:01,520 AND IT STARTED TWO MAJOR TASKS. 93 00:05:01,603 --> 00:05:04,311 The first one was to record 94 00:05:04,395 --> 00:05:07,353 everything that the operator would be saying, 95 00:05:07,436 --> 00:05:09,436 and essentially, put that on a loop. 96 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,436 SO THAT EVERY DAY, WHEN THE OPERATOR CAME IN TO WORK, 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,061 EVERYTHING WOULD LOOK JUST FINE. 98 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:18,895 IT'S SORT OF LIKE A CLASSIC HEIST MOVIE 99 00:05:18,978 --> 00:05:21,269 WHERE THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO IS RUN ON A LOOP, 100 00:05:21,353 --> 00:05:23,478 AND THE GUARD NEVER KNOWS WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON. 101 00:05:23,561 --> 00:05:27,520 While at the same time, somebody's breaking in and stealing something. 102 00:05:30,728 --> 00:05:32,645 THE IRANIANS WERE THINKING THE WHOLE TIME 103 00:05:32,728 --> 00:05:34,019 THAT THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS. 104 00:05:34,103 --> 00:05:36,103 That they're moving towards their goal, 105 00:05:36,186 --> 00:05:39,728 when in fact, these systems are deadlined. 106 00:05:39,812 --> 00:05:42,103 BECAUSE THE SECOND TASK FOR THE CODE 107 00:05:42,186 --> 00:05:45,561 WAS TO TAKE THE CENTRIFUGES AND BREAK THEM. 108 00:05:47,019 --> 00:05:48,520 This code was so ingenious 109 00:05:48,603 --> 00:05:50,812 that not only did it have this sort of fake video, 110 00:05:50,895 --> 00:05:52,645 pay no attention to what's going on here, 111 00:05:52,728 --> 00:05:54,395 it would lie in wait. 112 00:05:54,478 --> 00:05:56,061 And so days would go by, 113 00:05:56,144 --> 00:05:59,269 where the centrifuges were spinning exactly as they were supposed to. 114 00:05:59,353 --> 00:06:01,853 And then all of a sudden, they'd speed up really fast. 115 00:06:01,937 --> 00:06:03,269 And then when you'd turn to look, 116 00:06:03,353 --> 00:06:05,186 they would slow down to the regular speed. 117 00:06:05,269 --> 00:06:06,770 And eventually what happens when you do this 118 00:06:06,853 --> 00:06:08,269 to these finely tuned machines, 119 00:06:08,353 --> 00:06:10,144 is that they break themselves apart. 120 00:06:15,353 --> 00:06:18,520 Sanger: WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD THAT TRADITIONAL MEETING 121 00:06:18,603 --> 00:06:21,395 WITH HIS PREDECESSOR, GEORGE BUSH, 122 00:06:21,478 --> 00:06:24,019 BUSH TOLD HIM THAT THERE WERE TWO PROGRAMS 123 00:06:24,103 --> 00:06:27,228 HE HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT HE PRESERVED. 124 00:06:27,311 --> 00:06:28,937 One of them was the drone program. 125 00:06:30,269 --> 00:06:33,019 THE SECOND PROGRAM WAS "OLYMPIC GAMES," 126 00:06:33,103 --> 00:06:36,687 the code name for the program against Iran. 127 00:06:36,770 --> 00:06:40,144 SUDDENLY, IN HIS FIRST MONTHS IN OFFICE, 128 00:06:40,228 --> 00:06:43,144 PRESIDENT OBAMA FINDS HIMSELF IN THE SITUATION ROOM, 129 00:06:43,228 --> 00:06:46,144 PICKING OUT CENTRIFUGES TO ATTACK. 130 00:06:48,812 --> 00:06:52,520 FOR A WHILE, THE IRANIANS HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON. 131 00:06:52,603 --> 00:06:55,728 THEY DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY HAD MADE ENGINEERING ERRORS, 132 00:06:55,812 --> 00:06:57,561 WHETHER THEY HAD BAD PARTS. 133 00:06:57,645 --> 00:07:00,395 They suspected sabotage, but couldn't prove it. 134 00:07:00,478 --> 00:07:03,937 Until one day, when the code got out. 135 00:07:04,019 --> 00:07:07,103 Riley: THIS CODE IS ONLY SUPPOSED TO GO INTO ONE FACILITY, 136 00:07:07,186 --> 00:07:10,061 AND IT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE KNOWN TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. 137 00:07:10,144 --> 00:07:12,103 INSTEAD, IT ESCAPES THE BOX. 138 00:07:12,186 --> 00:07:15,269 It gets out of that facility and begins to spread around the world. 139 00:07:15,353 --> 00:07:17,144 Newscaster 1: THESE ARE THE LETTERS AND NUMBERS 140 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:19,061 BEHIND THE SO-CALLED STUXNET VIRUS. 141 00:07:19,144 --> 00:07:21,436 Newscaster 2: IT BEGINS WITH A SIMPLE USB KEY. 142 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,103 THEN WITH SURGICAL PRECISION, 143 00:07:23,186 --> 00:07:26,603 PENETRATES SOME OF THE WORLD'S MOST ADVANCED COMPUTER SECURITY. 144 00:07:26,687 --> 00:07:29,019 Newscaster 3: ITS CREATORS HID THEIR TRACKS SO WELL, 145 00:07:29,103 --> 00:07:33,061 EXPERTS SAY WE WILL LIKELY NEVER KNOW WHO CREATED IT. 146 00:07:33,144 --> 00:07:35,061 Sanger: AS WE BEGAN TO HEAR ABOUT 147 00:07:35,144 --> 00:07:38,395 THIS INCREDIBLY SOPHISTICATED PIECE OF CODE 148 00:07:38,478 --> 00:07:40,937 THAT THE INDUSTRY WAS CALLING STUXNET, 149 00:07:41,019 --> 00:07:43,770 I BEGAN TO RECONSTRUCT THE STORY 150 00:07:43,853 --> 00:07:47,395 OF WHO AUTHORIZED THIS CODE TO BE WRITTEN. 151 00:07:54,144 --> 00:07:55,645 Riley: NEITHER ISRAEL NOR THE US 152 00:07:55,728 --> 00:07:58,478 had publicly admitted that this was designed by them. 153 00:07:58,561 --> 00:08:01,561 John Maggio: You did that without at all mentioning Stuxnet or Olympic Games. 154 00:08:01,645 --> 00:08:02,978 That was, that was impressive. 155 00:08:03,061 --> 00:08:04,812 I never heard of those. 156 00:08:04,895 --> 00:08:06,478 Chris Durrance: Can you talk about Stuxnet? 157 00:08:06,561 --> 00:08:09,478 -No: -Durrance: It's years ago. That-- One thing that-- 158 00:08:09,561 --> 00:08:11,687 I don't want to talk about it, okay? 159 00:08:11,770 --> 00:08:13,269 Durrance: It's just that, it's a mystery. 160 00:08:13,353 --> 00:08:15,478 I don't want to talk about it. 161 00:08:15,561 --> 00:08:18,728 Let me know if I'm not-- If I'm being too subtle, okay? 162 00:08:21,353 --> 00:08:26,144 Newscaster: THIS IS THE FIRST WORM DESIGNED TO DAMAGE THE PHYSICAL WORLD. 163 00:08:26,228 --> 00:08:29,311 Newscaster 2: IT'S A NEW DIMENSION IN SABOTAGE AND WARFARE. 164 00:08:29,395 --> 00:08:31,978 The implications and the possible consequences 165 00:08:32,061 --> 00:08:34,937 are only now coming to light. 166 00:08:35,019 --> 00:08:37,812 Amy Zegart: THE STUXNET ATTACK ON IRAN 167 00:08:37,895 --> 00:08:41,019 was the first time a major state 168 00:08:41,103 --> 00:08:43,561 used a powerful cyber weapon 169 00:08:43,645 --> 00:08:45,478 in a very aggressive way. 170 00:08:46,812 --> 00:08:48,853 Riley: PEOPLE KNEW THAT THE US GOVERNMENT 171 00:08:48,937 --> 00:08:50,311 HAD BEEN DEVELOPING TOOLS 172 00:08:50,395 --> 00:08:52,687 THAT CAN MANIPULATE COMPUTER SYSTEMS 173 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:56,019 TO CREATE EFFECTS IN THE REAL WORLD. 174 00:08:56,103 --> 00:08:59,937 STUXNET WAS THE FIRST BIG EXAMPLE OF THAT HAPPENING. 175 00:09:00,019 --> 00:09:02,103 Here's what it looks like, here's how sophisticated it is, 176 00:09:02,186 --> 00:09:03,436 and here's what it can do. 177 00:09:05,269 --> 00:09:06,520 YOU TAKE THAT SAME PRINCIPLE, 178 00:09:06,603 --> 00:09:08,687 YOU COULD SHUT DOWN AN AIRPORT WITH A SIMILAR TOOL. 179 00:09:08,770 --> 00:09:11,144 YOU COULD SHUT DOWN AN ELECTRICAL GRID WITH A SIMILAR TOOL. 180 00:09:11,228 --> 00:09:14,353 YOU COULD SHUT DOWN A GAS PIPELINE WITH A SIMILAR TOOL. 181 00:09:14,436 --> 00:09:16,978 So these things that were speculative 182 00:09:17,061 --> 00:09:18,353 suddenly become real. 183 00:09:18,436 --> 00:09:21,269 The question is, if you're the first mover there, 184 00:09:21,353 --> 00:09:24,061 have you now said, "That's fair game for everybody." 185 00:09:24,144 --> 00:09:25,561 They've crossed the Rubicon. 186 00:09:25,645 --> 00:09:29,269 THE UNITED STATES HAD BASICALLY LEGITIMIZED 187 00:09:29,353 --> 00:09:30,687 THE USE OF CYBER 188 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:33,061 AS A WEAPON AGAINST ANOTHER COUNTRY 189 00:09:33,144 --> 00:09:35,728 AGAINST WHOM YOU HAD NOT DECLARED WAR. 190 00:09:35,812 --> 00:09:39,353 It pushed the world into an entirely new territory. 191 00:09:39,436 --> 00:09:42,436 (President Ahmadinejad speaking) 192 00:09:49,395 --> 00:09:51,436 Jason Healey: ONCE THE IRANIANS TOOK THE PUNCH, 193 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,770 Iran said, "Oh, that's the way the game is played. 194 00:09:54,853 --> 00:09:56,353 All right, I get this now." 195 00:09:56,436 --> 00:09:58,395 And then they started to unleash 196 00:09:58,478 --> 00:09:59,812 against the United States. 197 00:09:59,895 --> 00:10:02,687 ("Viva Las Vegas" by Elvis Presley playing) 198 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:05,937 ♪ GONNA SET MY SOUL ON FIRE ♪ 199 00:10:06,019 --> 00:10:09,269 ♪ GOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY THAT'S READY TO BURN ♪ 200 00:10:09,353 --> 00:10:12,645 ♪ SO GET THOSE STAKES UP HIGHER ♪ 201 00:10:13,269 --> 00:10:15,728 ♪ VIVA LAS VEGAS ♪ 202 00:10:16,645 --> 00:10:19,228 ♪ VIVA LAS VEGAS ♪ 203 00:10:20,687 --> 00:10:24,228 Riley: IN 2013, IT'S CLEAR THAT IRAN IS STILL WORKING TOWARDS 204 00:10:24,311 --> 00:10:26,395 A NUCLEAR WEAPON. 205 00:10:26,478 --> 00:10:28,353 AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN THE US 206 00:10:28,436 --> 00:10:30,269 IS TRYING TO START NEGOTIATIONS 207 00:10:30,353 --> 00:10:32,687 TO SORT OF COAX THEM AWAY FROM THAT. 208 00:10:34,186 --> 00:10:37,061 In October of 2013, there's a panel. 209 00:10:37,144 --> 00:10:38,103 There are several people on it, 210 00:10:38,186 --> 00:10:39,770 but the really interesting person 211 00:10:39,853 --> 00:10:43,853 that comes to talk on the panel is Sheldon Adelson. 212 00:10:43,937 --> 00:10:46,853 SHELDON ADELSON IS ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN THE WORLD. 213 00:10:46,937 --> 00:10:48,853 HE'S A CASINO MAGNATE. 214 00:10:48,937 --> 00:10:51,770 HE'S GOT CASINOS OFF CHINA, 215 00:10:51,853 --> 00:10:54,311 HE'S GOT A MAJOR CASINO IN SINGAPORE. 216 00:10:54,395 --> 00:10:56,478 He's got two major casinos in Las Vegas, 217 00:10:56,561 --> 00:10:58,144 and that's really where he made his money. 218 00:10:58,228 --> 00:10:59,978 Newscaster: THE BILLIONAIRE BUSINESSMAN 219 00:11:00,061 --> 00:11:01,478 WHO MADE A FORTUNE WITH CASINOS 220 00:11:01,561 --> 00:11:03,645 GAVE MORE THAN $92 MILLION 221 00:11:03,728 --> 00:11:06,478 TO CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES IN THE 2012 RACE. 222 00:11:06,561 --> 00:11:07,895 Riley: ONE OF HIS MOST FAMOUS THINGS IS 223 00:11:07,978 --> 00:11:09,812 an effort to spend a hundred million dollars 224 00:11:09,895 --> 00:11:12,228 to make sure that Obama doesn't get elected to a second term. 225 00:11:12,311 --> 00:11:14,520 You've got to really dislike me... 226 00:11:14,603 --> 00:11:16,269 (crowd laughing) 227 00:11:16,353 --> 00:11:17,978 ...to spend that kind of money. 228 00:11:18,061 --> 00:11:20,103 And he's very clear, and, 229 00:11:20,186 --> 00:11:21,812 and full-throated about his opinions. 230 00:11:21,895 --> 00:11:23,853 How are you able to be so outspoken? 231 00:11:23,937 --> 00:11:27,520 I flunked diplomacy 101. 232 00:11:27,603 --> 00:11:29,561 Riley: ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO IRAN, 233 00:11:29,645 --> 00:11:32,103 and when it comes to these negotiations in particular. 234 00:11:32,186 --> 00:11:33,687 Wait, so you would support 235 00:11:33,770 --> 00:11:35,728 negotiations with Iran currently, 236 00:11:35,812 --> 00:11:39,853 so long as they first seized all enrichment of uranium? 237 00:11:39,937 --> 00:11:42,812 No. What do you mean support nego-- 238 00:11:42,895 --> 00:11:44,687 What are we going to negotiate about? 239 00:11:44,770 --> 00:11:47,770 What I would say is... Listen. 240 00:11:47,853 --> 00:11:50,103 You see that desert out there? 241 00:11:50,186 --> 00:11:52,103 I want to show you something. 242 00:11:52,186 --> 00:11:54,311 You pick up your cell phone, 243 00:11:54,395 --> 00:11:56,353 and you call somewhere in Nebraska, 244 00:11:56,436 --> 00:11:58,269 and you say, "Okay, let it go." 245 00:11:58,353 --> 00:12:01,812 So there's an atomic weapon goes over ballistic missiles 246 00:12:01,895 --> 00:12:05,978 in the middle of the desert that doesn't hurt a soul. 247 00:12:06,061 --> 00:12:09,561 Maybe a couple of rattlesnakes and scorpions or whatever. 248 00:12:09,645 --> 00:12:11,937 And then, and then you say, "See? 249 00:12:12,019 --> 00:12:14,478 The next one is in the middle of Tehran." 250 00:12:15,436 --> 00:12:17,687 So, we mean business. 251 00:12:17,770 --> 00:12:20,061 And that was not taken well in Iran. 252 00:12:20,144 --> 00:12:22,937 SEE? THE NEXT ONE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF TEHRAN. 253 00:12:23,019 --> 00:12:25,228 Riley: SOMEBODY GETS A YOUTUBE CLIP OF THIS. 254 00:12:25,311 --> 00:12:26,228 IT GOES UP. 255 00:12:26,311 --> 00:12:28,478 Doesn't take long before Iran notices it. 256 00:12:28,561 --> 00:12:31,019 (speaking foreign language) 257 00:12:43,436 --> 00:12:45,645 (cheering) 258 00:12:48,478 --> 00:12:51,311 Riley: IT'S CLEAR THAT IRAN WANTS TO PUNISH ADELSON. 259 00:12:51,395 --> 00:12:53,019 And they want to make it hurt. 260 00:12:56,728 --> 00:12:59,269 CASINOS ARE BASICALLY BIG BANKS, RIGHT? 261 00:12:59,353 --> 00:13:02,561 THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES IN AND OUT OF A CASINO IN A DAY 262 00:13:02,645 --> 00:13:05,103 IS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. 263 00:13:05,186 --> 00:13:08,561 AND SO, CASINOS SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON PHYSICAL SECURITY. 264 00:13:08,645 --> 00:13:11,561 ON CAMERAS, ON SECURITY GUARDS, ON VAULTS. 265 00:13:11,645 --> 00:13:13,520 Like, the things that you would do to protect 266 00:13:13,603 --> 00:13:15,311 chips and cash. 267 00:13:15,395 --> 00:13:17,603 BUT AS FAR AS THEIR IT INFRASTRUCTURE, 268 00:13:17,687 --> 00:13:19,478 WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? 269 00:13:24,645 --> 00:13:27,061 SO, AROUND DECEMBER 2013, 270 00:13:27,144 --> 00:13:30,103 HACKERS IN IRAN START LOOKING FOR A WEAK LINK 271 00:13:30,186 --> 00:13:32,436 INTO SANDS CORP'S NETWORK. 272 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,186 And the hackers just ultimately get lucky. 273 00:13:36,895 --> 00:13:39,645 A SENIOR SOFTWARE ENGINEER HAD COME FROM LAS VEGAS, 274 00:13:39,728 --> 00:13:42,770 WAS WORKING AT A SMALL CASINO IN BETHLEHEM, PENNSYLVANIA, 275 00:13:42,853 --> 00:13:45,061 THAT'S PART OF THE SANDS CORP EMPIRE, 276 00:13:45,144 --> 00:13:47,103 AND HAD USED HIS CREDENTIALS 277 00:13:47,186 --> 00:13:48,937 TO GET ONTO ONE OF THE MACHINES IN BETHLEHEM, 278 00:13:49,019 --> 00:13:50,687 AND THE HACKERS FOUND HIM. 279 00:13:50,770 --> 00:13:54,186 THOSE CREDENTIALS ALLOWED THEM TO GET INTO THE BETHLEHEM NETWORK. 280 00:13:55,103 --> 00:13:57,061 AND THEN, FROM BETHLEHEM, 281 00:13:57,144 --> 00:14:00,228 TO LAS VEGAS, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE THEY WANTED TO BE. 282 00:14:04,019 --> 00:14:05,978 THEY'D START KIND OF SLOWLY, 283 00:14:06,061 --> 00:14:07,687 BUT BY EARLY FEBRUARY, 284 00:14:07,770 --> 00:14:10,645 THEY RELEASE A FEW HUNDRED LINES OF CODE, 285 00:14:10,728 --> 00:14:14,728 which is designed to, not to steal information, 286 00:14:14,812 --> 00:14:16,436 but to destroy computers. 287 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,770 To, to override information. To really create chaos 288 00:14:20,853 --> 00:14:22,603 within Sands Corp's network. 289 00:14:26,478 --> 00:14:28,520 Former Sands employee 1: I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL 290 00:14:28,603 --> 00:14:30,478 FROM A SUPPORT DESK MANAGER 291 00:14:30,561 --> 00:14:33,436 AT ABOUT 4:00 A.M. 292 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,144 The support desk manager had been receiving calls 293 00:14:36,228 --> 00:14:41,687 telling her that people's emails were getting locked up. 294 00:14:41,770 --> 00:14:44,353 Some of the engineers tried to look into 295 00:14:44,436 --> 00:14:46,144 what might be the cause of it, 296 00:14:46,228 --> 00:14:48,603 and they couldn't get in. 297 00:14:49,603 --> 00:14:51,770 I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY WERE PANICKED. 298 00:14:51,853 --> 00:14:53,436 I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WAS, UM, 299 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,269 AN EXTREME SENSE OF URGENCY. 300 00:14:57,353 --> 00:15:00,687 Former Sands employee 2: IN THE MORNING, SOMETIMES I CHECK MY EMAIL. 301 00:15:00,770 --> 00:15:02,812 And I couldn't get to anything. 302 00:15:02,895 --> 00:15:07,353 FIRST THING I THOUGHT IS, SOMEONE'S GONNA CALL ME AND YELL AT ME, 303 00:15:07,436 --> 00:15:10,228 BECAUSE PROBABLY THE SOFTWARE IS DOWN. 304 00:15:10,311 --> 00:15:12,228 MINUTES OF A SOFTWARE OUTAGE 305 00:15:12,311 --> 00:15:15,812 CAN AMOUNT TO A LOSS OF A SERIOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY. 306 00:15:17,895 --> 00:15:19,645 We were getting reports left and right 307 00:15:19,728 --> 00:15:22,520 of people not being able to access their computers. 308 00:15:22,603 --> 00:15:26,853 Our internal systems, our email, our way to communicate. 309 00:15:26,937 --> 00:15:28,478 Accounting, was, like, paralyzed, 310 00:15:28,561 --> 00:15:30,186 and that place is all accountants. 311 00:15:30,269 --> 00:15:32,978 I mean, everybody in the back that isn't IT 312 00:15:33,061 --> 00:15:34,895 is in some kind of finance team. 313 00:15:34,978 --> 00:15:38,061 As the guys kept digging into it more and more, 314 00:15:38,144 --> 00:15:41,937 a sense of, like, "Holy shit, this is huge. 315 00:15:42,019 --> 00:15:44,478 Like, the damage is massive." 316 00:15:48,144 --> 00:15:50,853 Former Sands employee 1: AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE MADE A DECISION 317 00:15:50,937 --> 00:15:54,228 THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO TURN OFF THEIR COMPUTERS. 318 00:15:54,311 --> 00:15:58,937 We basically had teams go out and unplug desktop machines. 319 00:15:59,019 --> 00:16:01,436 Former Sands employee 2: WE WERE GOING TO PCS ON THE CASINO FLOOR 320 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,853 IN THE PITS, AND AT THE PLAYER'S CLUB, 321 00:16:03,937 --> 00:16:05,228 AND IN THE CAGE, 322 00:16:05,311 --> 00:16:07,436 and taking them offline one at a time. 323 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,353 Scanning 'em, cleaning 'em. 324 00:16:11,770 --> 00:16:15,853 Former Sands employee 1: WE KNEW AT THAT TIME THIS WAS A POSSIBLE HACK. 325 00:16:15,937 --> 00:16:18,937 But I still thought it was a singular event. 326 00:16:19,019 --> 00:16:22,311 That we were basically doing damage control. 327 00:16:22,395 --> 00:16:24,645 But there were things that popped up 328 00:16:24,728 --> 00:16:26,978 that indicated that it wasn't somebody hacking 329 00:16:27,061 --> 00:16:28,728 just for the sake of hacking. 330 00:16:28,812 --> 00:16:30,603 It was a political statement. 331 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,561 Former Sands employee 2: THE LAS VEGAS SANDS WEBSITE HAD BEEN DEFACED, 332 00:16:35,645 --> 00:16:37,978 TO SHOW AN IMAGE OF THE GLOBE 333 00:16:38,061 --> 00:16:41,395 WITH VARIOUS LOCATIONS OF THE WORLD ON FIRE. 334 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:44,478 Former Sands employee 1: I REMEMBER FLAMES, 335 00:16:44,561 --> 00:16:49,019 AND SOMETHING ABOUT ADELSON AND CUTTING OFF HIS TONGUE. 336 00:16:49,103 --> 00:16:51,561 Former Sands employee 2: WE WERE ALL CURIOUS AS TO WHO DID IT, 337 00:16:51,645 --> 00:16:54,186 AND THEN WHEN WE SAW WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THE WEBSITE, 338 00:16:54,269 --> 00:16:55,687 IT WAS LIKE, "OH. 339 00:16:55,770 --> 00:16:59,395 WELL, THIS IS A REACTION TO WHAT MR. ADELSON HAD SAID." 340 00:16:59,478 --> 00:17:02,478 Former Sands employee 1: YOU KNOW, MY STOMACH SANK. IT WAS LIKE, 341 00:17:02,561 --> 00:17:05,603 excuse my language, like, "Holy shit." 342 00:17:06,687 --> 00:17:08,228 THIS IS REAL. 343 00:17:11,061 --> 00:17:14,186 Newscaster: A CASCADING ATTACK. SERVERS SHUT DOWN. 344 00:17:14,269 --> 00:17:17,436 SCREENS GO BLANK. A RUSH TO UNPLUG COMPUTERS. 345 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,561 THIS ATTACK HIT THE WORLD'S LARGEST CASINO OPERATION 346 00:17:20,645 --> 00:17:21,853 TEN MONTHS AGO. 347 00:17:21,937 --> 00:17:23,978 Sands Corp was able to keep it secret for months, 348 00:17:24,061 --> 00:17:27,478 and to keep the scale, especially, of the attacks, secret for months. 349 00:17:27,561 --> 00:17:30,561 Newscaster: CNN HAS LEARNED ON FEBRUARY 10TH OF THIS YEAR, 350 00:17:30,645 --> 00:17:33,812 THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES AT SANDS CASINOS IN LAS VEGAS 351 00:17:33,895 --> 00:17:36,895 AND BETHLEHEM, PENNSYLVANIA, HAD THEIR COMPUTERS HIT. 352 00:17:38,186 --> 00:17:41,186 Former Sands employee 1: THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET THIS OUT. 353 00:17:41,269 --> 00:17:43,895 They wanted controlled communications, 354 00:17:43,978 --> 00:17:45,770 is what I will say. 355 00:17:48,770 --> 00:17:51,853 Riley: THAT COMMENT THAT ADELSON MADE ON THAT STAGE 356 00:17:51,937 --> 00:17:53,687 was a very expensive comment to make. 357 00:17:55,103 --> 00:17:58,353 THE COST OF THE ATTACK AND RECOVERING FROM THE ATTACK 358 00:17:58,436 --> 00:18:00,395 WAS ABOUT $40 MILLION. 359 00:18:00,478 --> 00:18:02,728 It cost the Iranians far less than $40 million. 360 00:18:02,812 --> 00:18:05,186 I mean, that's the thing about the asymmetry of these attacks 361 00:18:05,269 --> 00:18:08,687 is hackers working in a team for a few days, 362 00:18:08,770 --> 00:18:11,311 YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED PROBING IN DECEMBER. 363 00:18:11,395 --> 00:18:15,186 YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF TEAMS GOT REALLY ACTIVE FOR A FEW DAYS IN JANUARY, 364 00:18:15,269 --> 00:18:17,853 AND IN FEBRUARY, THEY UNLEASHED THE ATTACK. 365 00:18:17,937 --> 00:18:21,353 You know, that's a very low-cost attack from a nation-state point of view. 366 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,353 Sanger: THE SANDS CASINO ATTACK WAS A WARNING SHOT. 367 00:18:29,436 --> 00:18:32,269 IT WAS A REINFORCEMENT OF THE THOUGHT 368 00:18:32,353 --> 00:18:34,812 THAT A MIDDLING POWER LIKE IRAN 369 00:18:34,895 --> 00:18:38,770 COULD SHUT DOWN A BIG ECONOMIC ENTERPRISE 370 00:18:38,853 --> 00:18:40,687 IN THE UNITED STATES. 371 00:18:40,770 --> 00:18:44,186 AND THAT IF THE SANDS CASINO COULD BE BROUGHT DOWN, 372 00:18:44,269 --> 00:18:46,144 SO COULD THE REST OF VEGAS. 373 00:18:46,228 --> 00:18:50,144 And what happened in Vegas wouldn't stay in Vegas. 374 00:18:50,228 --> 00:18:54,978 ♪ ♪ 375 00:18:58,687 --> 00:19:01,895 Zegart: THE EVOLUTION OF CYBER HAS HAPPENED VERY QUICKLY, 376 00:19:01,978 --> 00:19:04,311 IN TERMS OF ITS IMPORTANCE TO THE UNITED STATES, 377 00:19:04,395 --> 00:19:08,395 and the organizational dimension of it in the US government. 378 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,186 IN 2007, THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE 379 00:19:12,269 --> 00:19:15,228 ISSUES A THREAT ASSESSMENT OF ALL THE THREATS AGAINST THE COUNTRY. 380 00:19:15,311 --> 00:19:18,853 THE WORD "CYBER" ISN'T IN IT A SINGLE TIME. 381 00:19:20,853 --> 00:19:22,937 FAST FORWARD JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS, 382 00:19:23,019 --> 00:19:25,019 YOU HAD THE CREATION OF CYBER COMMAND. 383 00:19:26,186 --> 00:19:29,436 Fast forward a couple more years, it's 2012. 384 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,645 SUDDENLY CYBER HAS GONE FROM NOT BEING MENTIONED AT ALL 385 00:19:32,728 --> 00:19:33,978 IN THOSE THREAT ASSESSMENTS, 386 00:19:34,061 --> 00:19:35,978 TO BEING ONE OF THE TOP THREE THREATS 387 00:19:36,061 --> 00:19:38,061 FACING THE UNITED STATES. 388 00:19:42,895 --> 00:19:44,645 SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PANETTA 389 00:19:44,728 --> 00:19:48,228 GOES ON BOARD THE INTREPID, WHICH IS AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER MUSEUM-- 390 00:19:48,311 --> 00:19:50,520 I THINK THE BACKGROUND IS NOT A COINCIDENCE-- 391 00:19:50,603 --> 00:19:53,144 AND TALKS ABOUT A CYBER PEARL HARBOR. 392 00:19:53,228 --> 00:19:56,937 We know that foreign cyber actors 393 00:19:57,019 --> 00:20:01,895 ARE PROBING AMERICA'S CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORKS. 394 00:20:01,978 --> 00:20:05,561 THEY ARE TARGETING THE COMPUTER CONTROL SYSTEMS 395 00:20:05,645 --> 00:20:10,228 THAT OPERATE CHEMICAL, ELECTRICITY, AND WATER PLANTS, 396 00:20:10,311 --> 00:20:13,311 AND THOSE THAT GUIDE TRANSPORTATION 397 00:20:13,395 --> 00:20:16,228 THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY. 398 00:20:16,311 --> 00:20:20,478 THE COLLECTIVE RESULT OF THESE KINDS OF ATTACKS 399 00:20:20,561 --> 00:20:23,353 COULD BE A CYBER PEARL HARBOR. 400 00:20:23,436 --> 00:20:26,311 Riley: AND AS PEOPLE WERE WARNED ABOUT THIS NOTION OF THE CYBER PEARL HARBOR, 401 00:20:26,395 --> 00:20:28,353 what they seem to miss was, in fact, 402 00:20:28,436 --> 00:20:31,061 that the US had set up a regime where, 403 00:20:31,144 --> 00:20:34,061 if they, if Russia took down the electrical grid 404 00:20:34,144 --> 00:20:36,061 or if China took down a, a gas pipeline, 405 00:20:36,144 --> 00:20:38,978 they should expect a military response. 406 00:20:39,061 --> 00:20:42,228 THE GOVERNMENT HAD PLANS FOR A MASSIVE, KIND OF, 407 00:20:42,311 --> 00:20:44,061 MAJOR ATTACK AGAINST THE ELECTRICAL GRID. 408 00:20:44,144 --> 00:20:46,770 WHAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAVE PLANS FOR WAS 409 00:20:46,853 --> 00:20:49,978 this kind of, like, incremental, hit a company, 410 00:20:50,061 --> 00:20:51,895 you know, destroy its brand. 411 00:20:51,978 --> 00:20:54,186 Destroy its capacity to do business. 412 00:20:54,269 --> 00:20:56,395 HOW ARE WE GONNA RESPOND, AS THE US GOVERNMENT, 413 00:20:56,478 --> 00:20:58,645 TO THOSE KINDS OF ATTACKS? 414 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:10,770 (singing in Korean) 415 00:21:23,687 --> 00:21:26,937 Seth Rogen: I STARTED WITH JUST A HUGE FASCINATION 416 00:21:27,019 --> 00:21:28,812 WITH NORTH KOREA. 417 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,186 Me and my writing partner Evan would read articles and books 418 00:21:37,269 --> 00:21:39,019 and watch documentaries, and it was just, like, 419 00:21:39,103 --> 00:21:41,103 endlessly fascinating to us. 420 00:21:41,186 --> 00:21:42,395 Uh, who is it? 421 00:21:42,478 --> 00:21:44,311 Man: It is, uh, Kim Jong-un. 422 00:21:44,395 --> 00:21:45,770 What? 423 00:21:45,853 --> 00:21:48,436 Rogen: AND THEN WHEN KIM JONG-UN TOOK OVER 424 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,311 is when the idea really expanded in our heads, 425 00:21:51,395 --> 00:21:54,478 because we realized he was around our age, 426 00:21:54,561 --> 00:21:56,645 um, and we read more about his life, 427 00:21:56,728 --> 00:21:59,812 and he weirdly was like a very sympathetic character 428 00:21:59,895 --> 00:22:01,561 in, in some ways. 429 00:22:05,186 --> 00:22:09,520 WE CAME UP WITH THIS STORY ABOUT A GUY WHO HOSTS 430 00:22:09,603 --> 00:22:13,269 A VERY EXPLOITATIVE LATE NIGHT TALK SHOW. 431 00:22:15,144 --> 00:22:19,228 KIM JONG-UN IS A BIG FAN OF HIS TV SHOW. 432 00:22:22,561 --> 00:22:24,478 SO WE GET AN INTERVIEW WITH HIM. 433 00:22:24,561 --> 00:22:26,311 AND THEN THE CIA SAYS, 434 00:22:26,395 --> 00:22:28,228 because we are gonna be the first Americans, 435 00:22:28,311 --> 00:22:30,186 you know, face-to-face with him in a long time, 436 00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:31,895 uh, we could kill him. 437 00:22:35,853 --> 00:22:38,186 WE PITCHED THE IDEA TO SONY, 438 00:22:38,269 --> 00:22:40,395 AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, LIKE, 439 00:22:40,478 --> 00:22:42,061 "If you get James Franco in this, 440 00:22:42,144 --> 00:22:44,019 we'll make this movie right away." 441 00:22:44,103 --> 00:22:45,853 And we were like, "Okay." 442 00:22:45,937 --> 00:22:50,103 (guitar music playing) 443 00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:52,770 IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, 444 00:22:52,853 --> 00:22:56,853 IT WAS THEM WHO SUGGESTED THAT WE MAKE IT ACTUALLY 445 00:22:56,937 --> 00:22:58,228 KIM JONG-UN. 446 00:23:01,103 --> 00:23:03,353 It was something that, like, we were maybe, we were like, 447 00:23:03,436 --> 00:23:04,645 "Should we make up a guy? 448 00:23:04,728 --> 00:23:07,311 Is that too much?" Um, and, 449 00:23:07,395 --> 00:23:09,645 Sony suggested, like, "Well, just call him Kim Jong-un. 450 00:23:09,728 --> 00:23:12,019 It's probably funnier that way." Okay. 451 00:23:12,103 --> 00:23:14,103 (action music playing) 452 00:23:14,186 --> 00:23:16,019 ♪ ♪ 453 00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:18,186 SO, WHEN THE TRAILER COMES OUT, 454 00:23:18,269 --> 00:23:21,103 NORTH KOREA RELEASES A STATEMENT THROUGH THE UN 455 00:23:21,186 --> 00:23:22,645 condemning the movie. 456 00:23:22,728 --> 00:23:24,978 Newscaster: NORTH KOREA IS ACCUSING THE UNITED STATES 457 00:23:25,061 --> 00:23:28,061 OF "PROVOCATIVE INSANITY." AN "ACT OF WAR." 458 00:23:28,144 --> 00:23:31,353 AND PROMISING "A DECISIVE AND MERCILESS COUNTERMEASURE" 459 00:23:31,436 --> 00:23:34,311 IF THE US SUPPORTS THE RELEASE OF THE FILM. 460 00:23:38,269 --> 00:23:41,395 Michael Lynton: WE WERE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW SERIOUSLY TO TAKE THIS 461 00:23:41,478 --> 00:23:44,478 AND WHETHER THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT. 462 00:23:44,561 --> 00:23:46,687 I called a friend of mine at the State Department 463 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:50,478 who directed me to the person who knew about the subject. 464 00:23:52,478 --> 00:23:55,144 THEY SAID THE NORTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT 465 00:23:55,228 --> 00:23:57,895 TENDS TO BE PRONE TO MAKE A LOT OF THREATS. 466 00:23:58,019 --> 00:24:01,395 BUT ALMOST NEVER CARRIED OUT ON THOSE THREATS. 467 00:24:01,478 --> 00:24:03,311 And they would certainly never 468 00:24:03,395 --> 00:24:06,603 be able to carry out on a threat on US soil. 469 00:24:06,687 --> 00:24:09,520 There was no mention whatsoever of cyber. 470 00:24:11,186 --> 00:24:14,603 Rogen: AROUND THEN, CONVERSATIONS STARTED TO COME UP, 471 00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:17,853 OF LIKE, "SHOULD WE TONE IT DOWN A BIT?" 472 00:24:19,186 --> 00:24:21,478 The idea that maybe, uh, 473 00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:26,019 killing Kim Jong-un so graphically was maybe, um, 474 00:24:26,103 --> 00:24:27,603 extra antagonistic. 475 00:24:27,687 --> 00:24:32,687 ♪ AS YOU LEAVE 'EM FALLING DOWN, DOWN, DOWN ♪ 476 00:24:36,853 --> 00:24:41,061 Lynton: SETH ROGEN AND HIS GROUP WERE VERY RESISTANT. 477 00:24:41,144 --> 00:24:44,937 THEY FELT THAT IT ADDED TO THE SATIRE. 478 00:24:45,019 --> 00:24:49,269 IT WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF ARGUMENT ABOUT IT. 479 00:24:49,353 --> 00:24:52,728 BUT WE ULTIMATELY CAME TO A COMPROMISE, I THINK. 480 00:24:54,311 --> 00:24:58,061 AT THAT POINT, WE FELT THAT WE HAD TAKEN ALL THE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS. 481 00:24:58,144 --> 00:25:00,645 We made the changes to the picture that, 482 00:25:00,728 --> 00:25:04,061 you know, Sony felt, or that my, my employer felt was, 483 00:25:04,144 --> 00:25:06,144 was necessary and, you know, 484 00:25:06,228 --> 00:25:08,228 the rest was about getting the movie out. 485 00:25:08,311 --> 00:25:11,978 ♪ ♪ 486 00:25:12,061 --> 00:25:13,687 Sanger: IN NORTH KOREA, 487 00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:15,812 THE RECONNAISSANCE GENERAL BUREAU, 488 00:25:15,895 --> 00:25:19,019 WHICH IS THE NORTH KOREAN EQUIVALENT OF THE CIA, 489 00:25:19,103 --> 00:25:21,645 DISPATCHED A YOUNG HACKER 490 00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:24,853 TO GO TO CHINA AND SOUTHEAST ASIA 491 00:25:24,937 --> 00:25:29,561 AND PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT WOULD BREAK INTO SONY'S SYSTEMS. 492 00:25:30,853 --> 00:25:32,687 JIM CLAPPER WENT TO NORTH KOREA 493 00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:34,603 DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE SONY HACK, 494 00:25:34,687 --> 00:25:37,353 AND MET THE HEAD OF THE RECONNAISSANCE GENERAL BUREAU. 495 00:25:37,436 --> 00:25:40,019 HE WAS TRYING TO GET THE RELEASE OF TWO AMERICANS THERE 496 00:25:40,103 --> 00:25:41,978 WHILE THE HACK WAS UNDERWAY. 497 00:25:42,061 --> 00:25:45,728 AND HE NEVER RAISED IT BECAUSE HE NEVER KNEW IT WAS HAPPENING. 498 00:25:45,812 --> 00:25:49,103 The North Koreans went about this patiently, 499 00:25:49,186 --> 00:25:50,770 and somewhat brilliantly. 500 00:25:52,603 --> 00:25:57,228 IN SEPTEMBER OF 2014, THEY BROKE INTO THE SONY SYSTEMS. 501 00:26:00,186 --> 00:26:02,978 BUT THEY DIDN'T THEN JUST TURN AROUND AND ATTACK. 502 00:26:03,061 --> 00:26:05,728 THEY SPENT WEEKS EXAMINING 503 00:26:05,812 --> 00:26:09,812 HOW EACH ELEMENT OF SONY'S OPERATIONS 504 00:26:09,895 --> 00:26:11,770 WERE TIED INTO THE COMPUTER SYSTEM. 505 00:26:11,853 --> 00:26:14,269 THEY LURKED IN THE SYSTEM LONG ENOUGH 506 00:26:14,353 --> 00:26:17,645 TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY COULD DO MAXIMUM DAMAGE. 507 00:26:17,728 --> 00:26:21,395 And it wasn't until just around Thanksgiving, 508 00:26:21,478 --> 00:26:24,353 two months later, that they struck. 509 00:26:27,978 --> 00:26:30,853 Lynton: I WAS DRIVING TO WORK. MY PHONE RANG IN THE CAR. 510 00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:34,311 THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER OF THE COMPANY RANG ME UP 511 00:26:34,395 --> 00:26:36,520 AND HE SAID, "WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM AT WORK. 512 00:26:36,603 --> 00:26:39,269 ALL THE EMAIL HAS GONE DOWN." 513 00:26:39,353 --> 00:26:41,812 Nobody was able to retrieve any data. 514 00:26:41,895 --> 00:26:44,311 And as the day progressed, it became quickly evident 515 00:26:44,395 --> 00:26:47,436 that it was way beyond that. That in fact, we had... 516 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,061 Pretty much 70 percent of our computers had been knocked out of action. 517 00:26:51,144 --> 00:26:52,687 Had been ruined, frankly. 518 00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:55,687 Newscaster: SERIOUS BREACH AT SONY PICTURES LAST WEEK. 519 00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:58,603 A SKELETON APPEARED ON THE SONY PICTURE COMPUTERS 520 00:26:58,687 --> 00:27:01,353 WITH A SMALL MESSAGE THAT CLAIMED THEY'D BEEN HACKED BY A GROUP 521 00:27:01,436 --> 00:27:03,103 CALLING ITSELF "GUARDIANS OF PEACE." 522 00:27:03,186 --> 00:27:04,937 Newscaster 2: WHOEVER THEY ARE, THE GUARDIANS OF PEACE 523 00:27:05,019 --> 00:27:06,770 HAVE ALREADY DONE REAL DAMAGE. 524 00:27:06,853 --> 00:27:09,687 Newscaster 3: EMPLOYEES COMMUNICATED WITH A PHONE TREE, 525 00:27:09,770 --> 00:27:14,103 AND PAID PEOPLE WITH PAPER CHECKS CUT BY A MACHINE PULLED FROM STORAGE. 526 00:27:14,186 --> 00:27:15,687 Newscaster 4: SONY, BY THE TIME THIS IS DONE, 527 00:27:15,770 --> 00:27:17,687 IS GONNA LOSE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS 528 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:19,728 JUST RECOVERING FROM THIS ATTACK. 529 00:27:19,812 --> 00:27:23,311 It's a huge cost, just in terms of the impact of the IT infrastructure. 530 00:27:23,395 --> 00:27:26,395 But more importantly, it's a huge cost to the brand, 531 00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,436 because they steal a lot of data in this attack, 532 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,186 and then they start releasing it publicly. 533 00:27:30,269 --> 00:27:31,937 Reporter 1: TINSELTOWN'S DIRTY LAUNDRY 534 00:27:32,019 --> 00:27:33,895 IS LAID OUT IN PLAIN VIEW. 535 00:27:33,978 --> 00:27:35,353 And it is not pretty. 536 00:27:35,436 --> 00:27:36,728 Reporter 2: THE STUDIO'S CO-CHAIRMAN 537 00:27:36,812 --> 00:27:38,228 AND A POWERFUL HOLLYWOOD PRODUCER 538 00:27:38,311 --> 00:27:40,687 USED RACIAL JOKES TO MOCK PRESIDENT OBAMA. 539 00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:42,645 Reporter 3: A TOP PRODUCER CRITICIZING 540 00:27:42,728 --> 00:27:45,311 ANGELINA JOLIE'S TALENT AND EGO. 541 00:27:45,395 --> 00:27:46,978 These are juicy. 542 00:27:47,061 --> 00:27:50,061 Dmitri Alperovitch: WE HAD SEEN CRIMINAL HACKERS AND HACKTIVISTS 543 00:27:50,144 --> 00:27:52,144 USE THIS HACK AND DUMP TECHNIQUE 544 00:27:52,228 --> 00:27:55,311 TO INTIMIDATE VICTIMS ON A SMALL SCALE. 545 00:27:55,395 --> 00:27:57,478 That was the first time we had seen a nation-state 546 00:27:57,561 --> 00:27:59,019 do it very effectively. 547 00:27:59,103 --> 00:28:00,645 The first thing that the North Koreans did 548 00:28:00,728 --> 00:28:02,228 was give it to reporters. 549 00:28:02,311 --> 00:28:04,937 And then, when they've exhausted that channel, 550 00:28:05,019 --> 00:28:06,728 they gave it to WikiLeaks. 551 00:28:09,687 --> 00:28:12,520 Zegart: THIS WAS ALL VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION TO THE COMPANY. 552 00:28:12,603 --> 00:28:15,812 TRADE SECRETS, LIKE SCRIPTS BEFORE MOVIES WERE RELEASED, 553 00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:19,228 DETAILED CONTRACT INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAD BEEN PAID TO WHOM. 554 00:28:19,311 --> 00:28:22,019 By the way, Seth Rogen made two million dollars more 555 00:28:22,103 --> 00:28:25,353 -than co-star James Franco. -Mm... 556 00:28:25,436 --> 00:28:27,687 You wouldn't assume someone's stolen property 557 00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:30,311 was instantly going to be made 558 00:28:30,395 --> 00:28:32,520 available for public consumption 559 00:28:32,603 --> 00:28:34,269 by the media. 560 00:28:34,353 --> 00:28:37,019 SONY WERE THE VICTIMS OF A CRIME. 561 00:28:37,103 --> 00:28:39,395 AND THEN THE MEDIA TOOK THE VICTIMS OF A CRIME 562 00:28:39,478 --> 00:28:41,144 and made it a hundred million times worse. 563 00:28:41,228 --> 00:28:44,728 You want us to assassinate the leader of North Korea? 564 00:28:44,812 --> 00:28:46,687 -Yes. -What? 565 00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:48,478 James Franco, Seth Rogen here right now. 566 00:28:48,561 --> 00:28:51,728 And that's what the whole world is doing right now, saying, "What?" 567 00:28:51,812 --> 00:28:53,103 (laughing) 568 00:28:53,186 --> 00:28:55,103 Rogen: I GO TO NEW YORK 569 00:28:55,186 --> 00:28:58,561 TO, LIKE, DO THE FINAL WEEK OF PROMOTION FOR THE FILM. 570 00:28:58,645 --> 00:29:00,144 IT'S A VERY WEIRD THING TO DO. 571 00:29:00,228 --> 00:29:03,395 To promote a thing that is causing the world 572 00:29:03,478 --> 00:29:05,228 distress at that moment. 573 00:29:05,311 --> 00:29:10,228 And that's when, like, it really ratcheted up a notch. 574 00:29:10,311 --> 00:29:14,978 The hackers made a threat against anyone who goes to see Sony's new film. 575 00:29:15,061 --> 00:29:18,770 Newscaster: THIS MESSAGE WARNS MOVIE-GOERS TO STAY AWAY FROM THEATERS. 576 00:29:18,853 --> 00:29:21,728 THE GROUP IS THREATENING TO DELIVER WHAT IT CALLS ITS "CHRISTMAS GIFT." 577 00:29:21,812 --> 00:29:24,728 I literally got on a plane and left New York in the middle of my press tour. 578 00:29:24,812 --> 00:29:26,645 I think I was, like, on the way to do "Jimmy Fallon," 579 00:29:26,728 --> 00:29:28,978 and I was like, "Let's go to the airport. Like... 580 00:29:29,061 --> 00:29:31,269 I don't think this movie's coming out, guys." 581 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,269 AND I WENT BACK TO LA, AND WENT TO SONY, 582 00:29:36,353 --> 00:29:38,895 AND WAS LIKE, "WHAT'S THE PLAN? LIKE, IS IT GONNA BE PULLED FROM THEATERS? 583 00:29:38,978 --> 00:29:41,978 It seems like people don't want to play the movie anymore." 584 00:29:45,103 --> 00:29:48,603 Lynton: WHEN THE EMAIL CAME OUT THAT INVOLVED PHYSICAL THREATS, 585 00:29:48,687 --> 00:29:52,103 there was a lot of conversations with the theaters that happened 586 00:29:52,186 --> 00:29:55,269 where they were asking to delay the release of the picture. 587 00:29:55,353 --> 00:30:00,019 I think Michael Lynton didn't want to leave the theater owners, 588 00:30:00,103 --> 00:30:02,103 you know, looking like the bad guy. 589 00:30:02,186 --> 00:30:04,395 So, he then was like, "I'm gonna pull the movie. 590 00:30:04,478 --> 00:30:08,186 "I'm just gonna say... it's... it's, it's pulled. 591 00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:10,645 "And we all need to come as like a united front, 592 00:30:10,728 --> 00:30:12,395 and say that that's what we want." 593 00:30:12,478 --> 00:30:14,561 And we were like, "Absolutely not." 594 00:30:14,645 --> 00:30:18,311 Newscaster: TODAY, SONY CANCELLED THE CHRISTMAS DAY RELEASE 595 00:30:18,395 --> 00:30:19,436 OF "THE INTERVIEW." 596 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,728 Newscaster 2: THE HACKERS WIN. 597 00:30:20,812 --> 00:30:22,061 I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO FRAME IT 598 00:30:22,144 --> 00:30:23,478 NOW THAT SONY HAS CANCELLED 599 00:30:23,561 --> 00:30:24,770 THE RELEASE OF "THE INTERVIEW," 600 00:30:24,853 --> 00:30:25,978 THAT SPOOF ABOUT NORTH KOREA 601 00:30:26,061 --> 00:30:27,895 STARRING JAMES FRANCO AND SETH ROGEN. 602 00:30:29,728 --> 00:30:31,603 Rogen: A COUPLE DAYS LATER, 603 00:30:31,687 --> 00:30:35,436 WE WERE ALL GATHERED IN OUR BUNGALOW ON THE SONY LOT. 604 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,812 And they were like, "There's a press conference coming, 605 00:30:37,895 --> 00:30:39,687 and Obama's gonna talk about it, I think." 606 00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:42,186 And we, we were like, "He's not gonna talk about it." 607 00:30:42,269 --> 00:30:43,645 Like, and it was like the first question. 608 00:30:43,728 --> 00:30:45,311 Reporter: Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, 609 00:30:45,395 --> 00:30:47,186 let's start on North Korea, 'cause that seems to be 610 00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:48,812 the, uh, biggest topic today. 611 00:30:48,895 --> 00:30:53,144 Uh, what does a proportional response look like, 612 00:30:53,228 --> 00:30:55,353 uh, to the Sony hack? 613 00:30:55,436 --> 00:30:58,853 The question at that time was, well, how serious a deal is this? 614 00:30:58,937 --> 00:31:03,019 And before you knew it, it was an international security incident 615 00:31:03,103 --> 00:31:05,603 that involved the president of the United States. 616 00:31:07,561 --> 00:31:11,478 Hurd: IF NORTH KOREA LAUNCHED A MISSILE 617 00:31:11,561 --> 00:31:14,019 into San Francisco, 618 00:31:14,103 --> 00:31:18,228 everybody knows what the United States of America, our response would be. 619 00:31:18,311 --> 00:31:21,186 Right? That's a physical-on-physical attack. 620 00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:24,311 But what is a digital-on-digital attack, 621 00:31:24,395 --> 00:31:26,186 and what is the appropriate response? 622 00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:29,269 John McCain at the time said, "This is an act of war." 623 00:31:29,353 --> 00:31:32,395 It's a new form of warfare that we're involved in, 624 00:31:32,478 --> 00:31:35,269 and we need to react, and react vigorously. 625 00:31:35,353 --> 00:31:37,311 President Obama didn't want to go there. 626 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,561 Eric Rosenbach: WHEN WE WERE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS 627 00:31:40,645 --> 00:31:42,019 BOTH IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE 628 00:31:42,103 --> 00:31:43,395 AND IN THE WHITE HOUSE, 629 00:31:43,478 --> 00:31:45,645 you fear that if you go too hard 630 00:31:45,728 --> 00:31:46,728 against the North Koreans, 631 00:31:46,812 --> 00:31:48,603 it becomes a real military conflict. 632 00:31:48,687 --> 00:31:50,561 THE LAST THING YOU WANT 633 00:31:50,645 --> 00:31:52,812 IS TO DO SOMETHING THAT ESCALATES IT, 634 00:31:52,895 --> 00:31:54,895 and the North Koreans then hit the US back 635 00:31:54,978 --> 00:31:56,353 in our critical infrastructure, right? 636 00:31:56,436 --> 00:31:58,895 We didn't know whether they were in the grid 637 00:31:58,978 --> 00:32:00,228 and could take something down. 638 00:32:00,311 --> 00:32:04,019 We will respond. Uh, we will respond proportionally, 639 00:32:04,103 --> 00:32:07,186 and we'll respond, uh, in a place and time, 640 00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:09,353 uh, and manner, that we choose. 641 00:32:09,436 --> 00:32:11,395 It's not something that I will announce, 642 00:32:11,478 --> 00:32:13,061 uh, here today at a press conference. 643 00:32:13,144 --> 00:32:15,853 No one really knows what the US government did to North Korea. 644 00:32:15,937 --> 00:32:18,895 There are press reports that suggest that 645 00:32:19,019 --> 00:32:20,478 not long after the Sony hack, 646 00:32:20,561 --> 00:32:22,812 suddenly, uh, North Korea's internet went down. 647 00:32:22,895 --> 00:32:25,186 EVEN IF IT WERE THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT 648 00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:27,103 THAT SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET OF NORTH KOREA, 649 00:32:27,186 --> 00:32:29,937 AT THE TIME, NORTH KOREA HAD 28 WEBSITES. 650 00:32:30,019 --> 00:32:32,269 SO THE UNITED STATES IS FAR MORE VULNERABLE 651 00:32:32,353 --> 00:32:36,520 to cyber attacks than many of the countries that are trying to attack us. 652 00:32:38,186 --> 00:32:40,395 Lynton: THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T NECESSARILY 653 00:32:40,478 --> 00:32:42,436 have a response to that, to them, 654 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,937 AND SO, HE CHOSE TO TALK ABOUT SONY. 655 00:32:46,019 --> 00:32:48,061 We cannot have a society 656 00:32:48,144 --> 00:32:51,103 in which some dictator someplace 657 00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:55,436 can start imposing censorship here in the United States. 658 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,353 He was like, "Yeah, theaters should play it." 659 00:32:57,436 --> 00:33:00,353 Um, "We shouldn't succumb to these threats." 660 00:33:00,436 --> 00:33:02,937 And we were all like, "Great!" 661 00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:05,895 BUT EVERYONE JUST BAILED. (laughs) 662 00:33:06,853 --> 00:33:08,311 Lynton: THERE WAS CERTAINLY DISAPPOINTMENT 663 00:33:08,395 --> 00:33:09,687 ON THE PART OF THE FILMMAKERS 664 00:33:09,770 --> 00:33:11,853 that they weren't gonna see the movie in, you know, 665 00:33:11,937 --> 00:33:13,645 in theaters all across the country. 666 00:33:13,728 --> 00:33:16,645 We reassured them that we intended to put the movie out. 667 00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:18,520 I called Eric Schmidt at Google. 668 00:33:18,603 --> 00:33:20,978 HE AND THE FOLKS AT GOOGLE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT 669 00:33:21,061 --> 00:33:25,436 THAT THE PICTURE GET OUT, AND THEY OFFERED TO PUT IT OUT ON THEIR PLATFORM. 670 00:33:31,353 --> 00:33:33,103 Rogen: ULTIMATELY, 671 00:33:33,186 --> 00:33:35,019 THEY LET THE THEATERS WHO WANTED TO PLAY IT PLAY IT. 672 00:33:35,103 --> 00:33:37,770 IT WAS IN, LIKE, 20 THEATERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 673 00:33:37,853 --> 00:33:40,353 Um, I think it is still Google Play's 674 00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:42,853 number one ever downloaded movie. 675 00:33:42,937 --> 00:33:47,186 ♪ AS YOU LEAVE 'EM FALLING DOWN, DOWN, DOWN ♪ 676 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:50,603 Rogen: AND ALSO, THE SCENE IS RELEASED. 677 00:33:50,687 --> 00:33:52,645 "THE VERGE" OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT 678 00:33:52,728 --> 00:33:54,687 GOES THROUGH THE HACKED FOOTAGE, 679 00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:56,978 FINDS THE SHOT OF KIM JONG-UN'S HEAD EXPLODING, 680 00:33:57,061 --> 00:34:01,103 and releases just that online for everyone to just see. 681 00:34:01,937 --> 00:34:05,269 ♪ ♪ 682 00:34:06,603 --> 00:34:08,978 Zegart: THIS WAS A BIG DEAL. 683 00:34:09,061 --> 00:34:11,478 THAT A COUNTRY THAT IS SO POOR, 684 00:34:11,561 --> 00:34:14,645 AND HAS ONLY TEN PERCENT OF ITS POPULATION WITH CELL PHONES, 685 00:34:14,728 --> 00:34:16,937 COULD ACTUALLY WAGE A CYBER ATTACK 686 00:34:17,019 --> 00:34:19,478 AGAINST ONE OF OUR MOST POWERFUL MOVIE STUDIOS 687 00:34:19,561 --> 00:34:23,436 AND A MAJOR CORPORATION, AND CREATE AN INTERNATIONAL CRISIS. 688 00:34:28,019 --> 00:34:31,645 Hurd: THE SONY ATTACK CHANGED THE PUBLIC'S PERCEPTION 689 00:34:31,728 --> 00:34:33,687 OF WHAT A CYBER ATTACK WAS. 690 00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:35,853 PRIOR TO SONY, PEOPLE BELIEVED, 691 00:34:35,937 --> 00:34:39,353 "OH, SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO STEAL MY CREDIT CARD INFORMATION." 692 00:34:39,436 --> 00:34:43,853 "THEY'RE TRYING TO STEAL MY SOCIAL SECURITY IN ORDER TO COMMIT FRAUD." 693 00:34:43,937 --> 00:34:47,728 SONY WAS PURELY AN ATTACK TO DESTROY. 694 00:34:47,812 --> 00:34:52,186 ♪ 695 00:35:01,269 --> 00:35:04,103 James Clapper: 2014 SAW, FOR THE FIRST TIME, 696 00:35:04,186 --> 00:35:07,353 DESTRUCTIVE CYBER ATTACKS CARRIED OUT ON US SOIL 697 00:35:07,436 --> 00:35:09,186 BY NATION-STATE ENTITIES. 698 00:35:09,269 --> 00:35:11,395 MARKED FIRST BY THE IRANIAN ATTACK 699 00:35:11,478 --> 00:35:13,812 AGAINST THE LAS VEGAS SANDS CASINO CORPORATION 700 00:35:13,895 --> 00:35:15,353 A YEAR AGO THIS MONTH, 701 00:35:15,436 --> 00:35:19,186 AND THE NORTH KOREAN ATTACK AGAINST SONY IN NOVEMBER. 702 00:35:19,269 --> 00:35:22,436 While the both of these nations have lesser technical capabilities 703 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,853 in comparison to Russia and China, 704 00:35:24,937 --> 00:35:27,436 these destructive attacks demonstrate that 705 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,436 Iran and North Korea are motivated and unpredictable cyber actors. 706 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,520 Russia and China continue to develop 707 00:35:34,603 --> 00:35:37,103 very sophisticated cyber programs. 708 00:35:37,186 --> 00:35:39,144 And while I can't go into detail here, 709 00:35:39,228 --> 00:35:41,269 the Russian cyber threat is more severe 710 00:35:41,353 --> 00:35:43,645 than we had previously assessed. 711 00:35:54,728 --> 00:35:57,895 Alperovitch: THESE DAYS, ONE MUST ALWAYS GET HIRED BY THE LAWYERS, 712 00:35:57,978 --> 00:36:00,603 BECAUSE THE LAWYERS ARE THE FIRST CALL OF A COMPANY THAT GETS HACKED. 713 00:36:00,687 --> 00:36:02,937 Because there might be lawsuits that would follow 714 00:36:03,019 --> 00:36:04,770 from, uh, from the announcement over the breach, 715 00:36:04,853 --> 00:36:07,853 so, very, very typically we get a call from a law firm that says, 716 00:36:07,937 --> 00:36:10,770 "One of our clients, uh, thinks they may have an issue. 717 00:36:10,853 --> 00:36:11,978 Can you come in and help them?" 718 00:36:12,061 --> 00:36:13,853 In this case, it was the DNC. 719 00:36:16,937 --> 00:36:18,395 THE CALL CAME ON A FRIDAY, 720 00:36:18,478 --> 00:36:20,812 SO IT TOOK US A FEW DAYS FOR US TO GO INTO THE NETWORK 721 00:36:20,895 --> 00:36:24,311 AND FIND INFECTED MACHINES ON THE NETWORK. 722 00:36:24,395 --> 00:36:25,978 This wasn't just on one system. 723 00:36:26,061 --> 00:36:29,144 There were hundreds of systems that were being impacted. 724 00:36:30,353 --> 00:36:32,269 WE START LOOKING AT THE MALWARE 725 00:36:32,353 --> 00:36:35,561 AND IMMEDIATELY REALIZED THAT THIS WAS MALWARE WE HAD SEEN MANY TIMES BEFORE. 726 00:36:35,645 --> 00:36:39,395 THAT WE HAD HIGH CONFIDENCE ATTRIBUTION TO THE GRU, 727 00:36:39,478 --> 00:36:41,645 THE RUSSIAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE. 728 00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:48,520 WE'RE SEEING THEM SPREAD FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM, 729 00:36:48,603 --> 00:36:51,478 TOUCH FILES, TAKE THOSE FILES OUT OF THE NETWORK, 730 00:36:51,561 --> 00:36:53,770 STEALING DATA, MONITORING EVERYTHING. 731 00:36:53,853 --> 00:36:55,395 You can't just shut down one machine 732 00:36:55,478 --> 00:36:56,937 because they're everywhere. 733 00:36:57,019 --> 00:36:59,186 So you have to shut everything down, um, 734 00:36:59,269 --> 00:37:02,103 and spend several days rebuilding all the infrastructure. 735 00:37:02,186 --> 00:37:05,937 We told, um, the DNC, "When do you want us to do this remediation?" 736 00:37:06,019 --> 00:37:07,520 (cheering) 737 00:37:07,603 --> 00:37:10,687 AT THE TIME, THE PRIMARIES WERE IN FULL SWING. 738 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:13,395 HILLARY CLINTON HAD NOT YET LOCKED DOWN HER NOMINATION, 739 00:37:13,478 --> 00:37:16,978 so they said, "Let's plan for four or five weeks from now, 740 00:37:17,061 --> 00:37:20,228 um, when the primaries are over and we're not under the gun." 741 00:37:20,311 --> 00:37:22,978 Waiting a few weeks did not seem outrageous. 742 00:37:23,061 --> 00:37:24,395 Of course over that period of time, 743 00:37:24,478 --> 00:37:25,978 the Russians continued stealing documents, 744 00:37:26,061 --> 00:37:28,645 and we're sort of helplessly watching them. 745 00:37:30,603 --> 00:37:34,395 Hillary Clinton: I WAS REALLY CONFUSED AND DISTURBED 746 00:37:34,478 --> 00:37:36,812 BY WHAT WAS HAPPENING. 747 00:37:36,895 --> 00:37:41,186 But initially, uh, the FBI didn't take it all that seriously, 748 00:37:41,269 --> 00:37:44,770 and so, it wasn't rising to the level of, 749 00:37:44,853 --> 00:37:49,061 of urgent, you know, five-alarm fire, uh, drill. 750 00:37:49,144 --> 00:37:51,269 Barack Obama: I WANT TO CONGRATULATE HILLARY CLINTON 751 00:37:51,353 --> 00:37:55,144 ON MAKING HISTORY AS THE PRESUMPTIVE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE 752 00:37:55,228 --> 00:37:58,103 -FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. -(cheering) 753 00:37:58,186 --> 00:38:00,603 Alperovitch: FINALLY, IN JUNE OF 2016, 754 00:38:00,687 --> 00:38:03,019 WE KICKED THE RUSSIANS OUT OF THE DNC NETWORK. 755 00:38:03,103 --> 00:38:04,520 This just in to CNN. 756 00:38:04,603 --> 00:38:06,937 Russian hackers managed to infiltrate 757 00:38:07,019 --> 00:38:09,603 the computer network at the Democratic National Committee. 758 00:38:09,687 --> 00:38:13,103 The researchers were roaming around the network for about a year, 759 00:38:13,186 --> 00:38:15,269 but were removed this weekend. 760 00:38:15,353 --> 00:38:16,687 We've talked to DNC officials. 761 00:38:16,770 --> 00:38:19,520 We've also talked to the outside firm that the DNC brought in 762 00:38:19,603 --> 00:38:21,520 when they recognized that there was an issue here. 763 00:38:21,603 --> 00:38:22,978 That firm called CrowdStrike. 764 00:38:23,061 --> 00:38:26,186 There was a small blip on the, on the, on the news cycle 765 00:38:26,269 --> 00:38:29,144 that day, of, "Oh, Russia's hacking the DNC," 766 00:38:29,228 --> 00:38:31,645 but national media moved on within hours, 767 00:38:31,728 --> 00:38:34,520 and, uh, I thought that was gonna be the end of the story. 768 00:38:37,186 --> 00:38:41,395 BUT THEN ON THE EVE OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION... 769 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,395 WIKILEAKS DUMPS THE EMAILS. 770 00:38:49,061 --> 00:38:51,978 Lester Holt: GOOD EVENING. THEIR PARTY'S CHAIRMAN OFF THE PROGRAM, 771 00:38:52,061 --> 00:38:53,978 an apparent Russian email hack, 772 00:38:54,061 --> 00:38:56,478 and now a revolt among Bernie Sanders supporters. 773 00:38:56,561 --> 00:39:00,019 Welcome to day one of the Democratic National Convention. 774 00:39:02,228 --> 00:39:05,353 Riley: THE INFORMATION STOLEN FROM THOSE SERVERS IN THE DNC, 775 00:39:05,436 --> 00:39:07,728 SUDDENLY IT BEGINS TO SURFACE IN THIS WAY 776 00:39:07,812 --> 00:39:09,770 that was presaged by the Sony attack, 777 00:39:09,853 --> 00:39:11,019 and the Sands Corp attack. 778 00:39:11,103 --> 00:39:12,812 Newscaster: EMAILS RELEASED BY WIKILEAKS, 779 00:39:12,895 --> 00:39:16,228 PROVING THE DNC HAD FAVORED HILLARY CLINTON OVER SANDERS. 780 00:39:16,311 --> 00:39:19,186 Comes out through WikiLeaks, which makes everything searchable so you'd be, 781 00:39:19,269 --> 00:39:21,520 you know, there'll be a dump of 20,000 emails 782 00:39:21,603 --> 00:39:23,603 and you just type in some names if you're a reporter, 783 00:39:23,687 --> 00:39:25,061 and suddenly you've got a story. 784 00:39:25,144 --> 00:39:26,853 Newscaster: THE THOUSANDS OF HACKED EMAILS 785 00:39:26,937 --> 00:39:28,103 LEAKED TO WIKILEAKS 786 00:39:28,186 --> 00:39:30,353 ROCKED THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. 787 00:39:30,436 --> 00:39:31,770 (man speaking) 788 00:39:31,853 --> 00:39:33,061 I'm so proud-- 789 00:39:33,144 --> 00:39:35,395 (man speaking) 790 00:39:35,478 --> 00:39:37,561 John Podesta: ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE DOING 791 00:39:37,645 --> 00:39:43,728 was trying to stir up trouble between the Bernie delegates 792 00:39:43,812 --> 00:39:45,728 and, and, and our forces. 793 00:39:45,812 --> 00:39:48,269 Newscaster: BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTERS SAY THE EMAILS PROVED 794 00:39:48,353 --> 00:39:50,812 THE PARTY FAVORED HILLARY CLINTON ALL ALONG. 795 00:39:50,895 --> 00:39:52,812 It just validated everything we thought. 796 00:39:52,895 --> 00:39:55,520 That this was completely rigged right from the beginning. 797 00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:58,269 Alex Stamos: BY USING THAT STOLEN MATERIAL, 798 00:39:58,353 --> 00:40:01,937 THE MEDIA INJECTED THE IDEA THAT THE DNC HAD RIGGED THE ENTIRE PROCESS 799 00:40:02,019 --> 00:40:04,311 AGAINST BERNIE SANDERS. AND THERE'S A KERNEL OF TRUTH. 800 00:40:04,395 --> 00:40:07,812 Clearly there are people in the DNC who didn't like Bernie Sanders. 801 00:40:07,895 --> 00:40:09,603 But that doesn't mean the whole process is rigged. 802 00:40:09,687 --> 00:40:12,770 And the media allowed them to go from the kernel of truth 803 00:40:12,853 --> 00:40:14,728 to the conventional wisdom, 804 00:40:14,812 --> 00:40:16,353 BECAUSE IT SOLD PAPERS, 805 00:40:16,436 --> 00:40:19,561 AND IT GOT PEOPLE TO WATCH TV. 806 00:40:19,645 --> 00:40:23,478 BUT THEY WERE AMPLIFYING THE MESSAGES THAT THE RUSSIANS WANTED AMPLIFIED. 807 00:40:26,311 --> 00:40:28,728 Podesta: IN THAT PILE OF INFORMATION 808 00:40:28,812 --> 00:40:30,395 THAT'S COME FROM THE DNC, 809 00:40:30,478 --> 00:40:33,978 there were some documents that were campaign finance documents 810 00:40:34,061 --> 00:40:35,895 FROM THE CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD-- 811 00:40:35,978 --> 00:40:39,061 HAD BEEN UNLIKELY TO BE AT THE DNC. 812 00:40:39,853 --> 00:40:42,937 SO, THE CAMPAIGN BEGAN TO LOOK AT 813 00:40:43,019 --> 00:40:45,019 where might those have originated. 814 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,978 TURNED OUT, IN THE SPRING, 815 00:40:49,061 --> 00:40:51,937 ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAD ACCESS TO MY EMAIL ACCOUNT 816 00:40:52,019 --> 00:40:55,228 HAD SEEN WHAT WAS A FAIRLY PROFESSIONAL 817 00:40:55,311 --> 00:40:59,561 PHISHING OPERATION, LOOKING TO BE FROM GOOGLE. 818 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,853 SHE REPORTED THAT TO THE PEOPLE 819 00:41:02,937 --> 00:41:06,728 IN THE TECH SECURITY SIDE OF THE CAMPAIGN. 820 00:41:06,812 --> 00:41:13,269 HE SENT BACK AN EMAIL TO MY ASSISTANT SAYING THAT IT WAS REAL, 821 00:41:13,353 --> 00:41:16,019 AND THAT I SHOULD CHANGE MY CREDENTIALS. 822 00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:18,812 SHE THEN CLICKED ON THE LINK, 823 00:41:18,895 --> 00:41:22,561 AND THAT'S HOW I WAS HACKED BY THE RUSSIANS. 824 00:41:22,645 --> 00:41:26,395 But at that point, we weren't sure what the extent of the breach had been. 825 00:41:30,019 --> 00:41:32,978 Clapper: IN THE SUMMER AND FALL OF 2016, 826 00:41:33,061 --> 00:41:35,978 THERE WERE MANY MEETINGS ABOUT THE RUSSIANS. 827 00:41:36,061 --> 00:41:39,895 There was a lot of back and forth about what to do. 828 00:41:40,978 --> 00:41:43,269 Suzanne Spaulding: WE BEGAN TO GET INFORMATION 829 00:41:43,353 --> 00:41:47,895 ABOUT CYBER ACTIVITY THAT WAS FOCUSED ON OUR VOTER REGISTRATION DATABASES. 830 00:41:49,353 --> 00:41:52,812 And we realized that it was probably about disrupting 831 00:41:52,895 --> 00:41:55,311 the integrity of that data. 832 00:41:55,395 --> 00:41:58,311 THE RUSSIANS COULD GO INTO A VOTER REGISTRATION DATABASE 833 00:41:58,395 --> 00:41:59,937 AND CHANGE THAT DATA, 834 00:42:00,019 --> 00:42:03,353 SO THAT ON ELECTION DAY, WHEN VOTERS SHOW UP TO VOTE, 835 00:42:03,436 --> 00:42:05,186 THEY ARE TURNED AWAY. 836 00:42:05,269 --> 00:42:07,019 THERE IS CHAOS AT THE VOTING PLACE, 837 00:42:07,103 --> 00:42:10,228 because the name doesn't match the identification, 838 00:42:10,311 --> 00:42:13,978 and you could disrupt election day 839 00:42:14,061 --> 00:42:16,061 to the degree that the American public 840 00:42:16,144 --> 00:42:18,520 would doubt the legitimacy of the process, 841 00:42:18,603 --> 00:42:22,395 and then potentially, the legitimacy of the outcome. 842 00:42:24,144 --> 00:42:27,561 Podesta: THAT'S WHAT OBAMA'S FOCUS WAS. 843 00:42:27,645 --> 00:42:30,770 WHEN OBAMA SAW PUTIN IN SEPTEMBER, 844 00:42:31,436 --> 00:42:34,228 HE BASICALLY THREATENED HIM 845 00:42:34,311 --> 00:42:36,853 THAT IF THEY TRIED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 846 00:42:36,937 --> 00:42:39,478 THERE'D BE SEVERE CONSEQUENCES. 847 00:42:39,561 --> 00:42:42,436 WHAT I THINK THEY UNDERAPPRECIATED 848 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,603 WAS HOW MUCH EFFECT THE RUSSIANS COULD HAVE FROM THE HACKING, 849 00:42:46,687 --> 00:42:50,436 and from their massive disinformation operation. 850 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,144 ♪ 851 00:42:54,228 --> 00:42:56,103 Stamos: DURING THE ELECTION, 852 00:42:56,186 --> 00:42:58,144 WE HAD A DEDICATED TEAM AT FACEBOOK 853 00:42:58,228 --> 00:43:00,853 WHOSE JOB IT WAS TO LOOK FOR RUSSIAN ACTORS. 854 00:43:00,937 --> 00:43:05,436 AND WE HAD FOUND GRU ACTIVITY. WE HAD FOUND DCLEAKS. 855 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,269 We had found them pushing disinformation, 856 00:43:07,353 --> 00:43:08,645 but not really at scale. 857 00:43:08,728 --> 00:43:10,478 And we didn't really understand 858 00:43:10,561 --> 00:43:13,520 what was behind the vast majority of this fake news. 859 00:43:14,978 --> 00:43:17,019 BUT RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION, 860 00:43:17,103 --> 00:43:19,228 WE TOOK ALL OF THE POLITICAL ADS THAT WERE RUN 861 00:43:19,311 --> 00:43:21,436 IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION. 862 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,103 AND THEN WE FIGURED OUT ALL THE ACCOUNTS THAT WERE POSSIBLY TIED TO IT. 863 00:43:24,186 --> 00:43:27,186 So this is the people who ran the ad, but then also, 864 00:43:27,269 --> 00:43:29,895 people who used the same computer as the person who ran an ad. 865 00:43:29,978 --> 00:43:33,269 Or people who have used the same phone as the person who ran the ad. 866 00:43:33,353 --> 00:43:35,311 And then for every single one of those accounts, 867 00:43:35,395 --> 00:43:37,728 we looked for possible links to Russia. 868 00:43:37,812 --> 00:43:40,728 We start pulling that thread, and then we eventually find this cluster 869 00:43:40,812 --> 00:43:43,853 that we can all link together, and that was the Internet Research Agency. 870 00:43:43,937 --> 00:43:47,311 ♪ 871 00:43:51,395 --> 00:43:53,228 THE INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY, LLC 872 00:43:53,311 --> 00:43:55,770 IS BASICALLY A BUILDING IN ST. PETERSBURG 873 00:43:55,853 --> 00:43:57,853 WITH A BUNCH OF TROLLS SITTING THERE 874 00:43:57,937 --> 00:44:01,353 TRYING TO DRIVE DIVISIONS IN US SOCIETY. 875 00:44:01,436 --> 00:44:03,978 IT'S EXISTED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AT THIS POINT. 876 00:44:04,061 --> 00:44:06,478 And they've done propaganda work in Russia, 877 00:44:06,561 --> 00:44:08,978 and Ukraine, and the like. 878 00:44:09,061 --> 00:44:12,812 THE IRA SPECIFICALLY SENT PEOPLE TO THE UNITED STATES TO STUDY 879 00:44:12,895 --> 00:44:15,144 THE POLITICAL SPHERE IN THE US 880 00:44:15,228 --> 00:44:17,353 AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRESSURE POINTS WERE. 881 00:44:17,770 --> 00:44:19,353 SO IN 2016, 882 00:44:19,436 --> 00:44:21,728 THEY WERE CREATING THESE FAKE AMERICAN PERSONAS, 883 00:44:21,812 --> 00:44:25,144 and then running ads as political groups. 884 00:44:25,228 --> 00:44:29,019 ♪ 885 00:44:34,728 --> 00:44:36,561 THE DEPTH OF THE CONTENT WAS SURPRISING. 886 00:44:36,645 --> 00:44:39,978 Our assumption was that all of this content would be on one side, politically. 887 00:44:40,061 --> 00:44:42,269 BUT WHAT THEY HAD DONE VERY EFFECTIVELY 888 00:44:42,353 --> 00:44:44,520 WAS FIND A FRICTION POINT 889 00:44:44,603 --> 00:44:47,061 AND THEN TRY TO MANIPULATE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. 890 00:44:48,478 --> 00:44:50,978 THE NUMBER-ONE TOPIC WAS ACTUALLY BLACK LIVES MATTER. 891 00:44:51,061 --> 00:44:54,061 THEY CREATED A FAKE PERSONA TO PRETEND TO BE 892 00:44:54,144 --> 00:44:56,645 A PRO-BLACK LIVES MATTER ACTIVIST. 893 00:44:57,311 --> 00:44:58,978 AND TO PUSH NARRATIVES 894 00:44:59,061 --> 00:45:01,144 THAT BOTH WOULD MAYBE RADICALIZE 895 00:45:01,228 --> 00:45:02,812 PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPORTIVE OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, 896 00:45:02,895 --> 00:45:04,645 BUT ALSO LOOK RADICAL 897 00:45:04,728 --> 00:45:06,103 TO MORE MODERATE PEOPLE 898 00:45:06,186 --> 00:45:08,061 WHO COULD SAY, LIKE, "OH, LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE. 899 00:45:08,144 --> 00:45:11,436 YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE REALLY NUTS." 900 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,687 THEY EVEN, IN A COUPLE OF CASES, TRIED TO CREATE PROTESTS 901 00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:17,186 WHERE A PRO-IMMIGRATION GROUP AND AN ANTI-IMMIGRATION GROUP 902 00:45:17,269 --> 00:45:21,687 PROTEST ONE ANOTHER BY INVITING PEOPLE TO EVENTS THAT WERE AT THE SAME TIME. 903 00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:24,895 Down with the racists! Down with the Nazis! 904 00:45:24,978 --> 00:45:28,269 (yelling indistinctly) 905 00:45:31,770 --> 00:45:33,895 Clinton: WE WERE SURPRISED THAT 906 00:45:33,978 --> 00:45:36,061 PUTIN WOULD CARE SO MUCH 907 00:45:36,144 --> 00:45:39,269 ABOUT WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT WAS. 908 00:45:39,353 --> 00:45:43,770 That he was so intent upon damaging me, 909 00:45:43,853 --> 00:45:45,436 DAMAGING MY CAMPAIGN, 910 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,103 PREVENTING ME, IF HE COULD, FROM BECOMING PRESIDENT. 911 00:45:49,186 --> 00:45:51,978 AND ALSO HOW ADEPT THEY WERE 912 00:45:52,061 --> 00:45:55,561 IN SOWING DISINFORMATION, MISINFORMATION. 913 00:45:55,645 --> 00:45:58,478 IT WAS UNLIKE ANYTHING WE'D EVER SEEN. 914 00:46:01,311 --> 00:46:03,436 Stamos: NONE OF US KIND OF CONCEPTUALIZED THIS 915 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,269 AS THE KIND OF GROUPS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR. 916 00:46:07,144 --> 00:46:09,186 INTELLIGENCE TEAMS AT THE COMPANIES, 917 00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:11,728 AND IN PLACES LIKE NSA AND THE US GOVERNMENT, 918 00:46:11,812 --> 00:46:15,061 WERE FOCUSED ON VERY TRADITIONAL THREAT ACTORS. 919 00:46:18,353 --> 00:46:21,478 Sanger: GENERAL CLAPPER'S THIS OLD COLD WARRIOR. 920 00:46:21,561 --> 00:46:25,228 GREW UP AS THE SON OF AN AIR FORCE OFFICER, 921 00:46:25,311 --> 00:46:27,728 BECOMES AN AIR FORCE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. 922 00:46:27,812 --> 00:46:31,770 And yet, the cyber conflicts 923 00:46:31,853 --> 00:46:34,269 that are springing up during his time 924 00:46:34,353 --> 00:46:36,436 as director of National Intelligence 925 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,853 ARE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT KIND OF THREAT 926 00:46:38,937 --> 00:46:41,770 THAT HE'S JUST TRYING TO KEEP ON TOP OF. 927 00:46:41,853 --> 00:46:44,144 AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN, 928 00:46:44,228 --> 00:46:47,770 HE KEEPS GETTING CAUGHT BY SURPRISE. 929 00:46:47,853 --> 00:46:49,561 It's not his fault. 930 00:46:49,645 --> 00:46:53,103 We had never built an intelligence network 931 00:46:53,186 --> 00:46:55,603 designed to pick this stuff up. 932 00:46:55,687 --> 00:46:58,561 BUT THERE HE IS IN NORTH KOREA 933 00:46:58,645 --> 00:47:00,978 WHILE THE NORTH KOREANS ARE INSIDE SONY. 934 00:47:01,061 --> 00:47:04,019 AND THERE HE WAS, SITTING ON A SYSTEM 935 00:47:04,103 --> 00:47:06,728 THAT FAILED TO RAISE A TIMELY ALARM 936 00:47:06,812 --> 00:47:08,645 TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES 937 00:47:08,728 --> 00:47:12,144 THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. 938 00:47:12,228 --> 00:47:14,186 Much less inside Facebook. 939 00:47:19,728 --> 00:47:23,937 Clapper: YOU KNOW, 20/20 HINDSIGHT, IT'S ALL, IT'S PERFECT VISION. 940 00:47:24,019 --> 00:47:28,311 At the time, there was concern about publicizing this, 941 00:47:28,395 --> 00:47:32,770 because by doing so, we'd simply amplify its importance. 942 00:47:32,853 --> 00:47:35,812 And I think, as well, there was reluctance 943 00:47:35,895 --> 00:47:38,520 to be seen by the last administration as 944 00:47:38,603 --> 00:47:40,436 putting its hand on the scale 945 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,520 in favor of one candidate, or appearing to do that, 946 00:47:43,603 --> 00:47:45,645 TO THE DISFAVOR OF THE OTHER. 947 00:47:45,728 --> 00:47:47,687 The system, folks, is rigged. 948 00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:51,353 It's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. 949 00:47:51,436 --> 00:47:53,395 It's a dirty system. 950 00:47:54,269 --> 00:47:56,520 Then candidate Trump was alleging 951 00:47:56,603 --> 00:47:59,311 that if he didn't win the election, it was rigged. 952 00:47:59,395 --> 00:48:01,186 So, there was reluctance to, 953 00:48:01,269 --> 00:48:04,144 you know, to play to that-- to play to that narrative. 954 00:48:08,144 --> 00:48:10,728 BUT THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT THE RUSSIANS WERE DOING 955 00:48:10,812 --> 00:48:14,061 GREW BOTH IN EXPANSE AND CLARITY. 956 00:48:14,144 --> 00:48:16,353 AND ON THE 7TH OF OCTOBER, 957 00:48:16,436 --> 00:48:18,770 WE FINALLY CAME OUT WITH A PUBLIC STATEMENT, 958 00:48:18,853 --> 00:48:20,645 which was a pretty forthcoming statement 959 00:48:20,728 --> 00:48:22,353 about the Russian interference. 960 00:48:22,436 --> 00:48:24,395 Wolf Blitzer: THERE'S MORE BREAKING NEWS WE'RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT. 961 00:48:24,478 --> 00:48:26,728 THE UNITED STATES NOW OPENLY SAYING 962 00:48:26,812 --> 00:48:30,395 THAT RUSSIA IS DIRECTLY BEHIND A SERIES OF CYBER ATTACKS 963 00:48:30,478 --> 00:48:33,061 targeting the upcoming presidential election. 964 00:48:33,144 --> 00:48:36,061 Well, unfortunately our message was completely emasculated. 965 00:48:36,144 --> 00:48:39,395 A recording of Donald Trump made more than a decade ago... 966 00:48:39,478 --> 00:48:43,269 Because that's the same day that the "Access Hollywood" audio tape came out. 967 00:48:43,353 --> 00:48:45,311 You won't want young children to hear it. 968 00:48:53,395 --> 00:48:56,395 The letter from the intelligence community comes out. 969 00:48:56,478 --> 00:48:58,728 The "Access Hollywood" tape comes out 970 00:48:58,812 --> 00:49:00,436 all in one day. 971 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,269 And WikiLeaks starts dumping my emails 972 00:49:03,353 --> 00:49:06,144 an hour after the "Access Hollywood" tape comes out. 973 00:49:06,228 --> 00:49:08,478 You can judge whether that's a coincidence. 974 00:49:08,561 --> 00:49:10,520 Two thousand more emails have been posted online, 975 00:49:10,603 --> 00:49:12,103 apparently from the hacked account 976 00:49:12,186 --> 00:49:14,395 OF HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN JOHN PODESTA. 977 00:49:14,478 --> 00:49:18,269 Thousands of hacked emails from her campaign chairman, John Podesta. 978 00:49:18,353 --> 00:49:19,937 Third installment of the hacked emails 979 00:49:20,019 --> 00:49:22,603 from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta, 980 00:49:22,687 --> 00:49:24,520 and so far, the messages have provided a look 981 00:49:24,603 --> 00:49:26,978 into the inner workings of the Clinton camp. 982 00:49:27,061 --> 00:49:31,812 Most of those ended up being of little import. 983 00:49:34,645 --> 00:49:36,395 I'm a boring sort of guy. 984 00:49:36,478 --> 00:49:38,561 Newscaster: ONE EMAIL REVEALS A DISAGREEMENT 985 00:49:38,645 --> 00:49:40,687 BETWEEN TOP CLINTON AIDE HUMA ABEDIN 986 00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:43,103 AND PODESTA OVER CLINTON'S PRESS STRATEGY. 987 00:49:43,186 --> 00:49:44,770 A lot of this was gossip. 988 00:49:44,853 --> 00:49:46,937 Newscaster 2: IN ANOTHER EMAIL, A LONGTIME CLINTON AIDE 989 00:49:47,019 --> 00:49:50,144 REFERS TO CHELSEA CLINTON AS A, QUOTE, "SPOILED BRAT." 990 00:49:50,228 --> 00:49:53,687 But people thought, well, if it's secret, 991 00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:55,687 or if it's stolen, 992 00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:57,978 it must be more sexy. 993 00:49:58,061 --> 00:49:59,770 It's kind of shadowy. 994 00:49:59,853 --> 00:50:01,978 "They didn't want you to know this much." 995 00:50:02,061 --> 00:50:03,770 Like any good peek behind the curtains, 996 00:50:03,853 --> 00:50:06,812 they show things the campaign obviously would rather keep under wraps. 997 00:50:06,895 --> 00:50:08,978 The Clinton emails are fascinating 998 00:50:09,061 --> 00:50:10,728 and hilarious reading in some ways. 999 00:50:10,812 --> 00:50:12,853 So is it more like "Veep" or is it more like "West Wing"? 1000 00:50:12,937 --> 00:50:16,144 We were very frustrated. 1001 00:50:16,228 --> 00:50:19,311 THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A HOSTILE FOREIGN GOVERNMENT 1002 00:50:19,395 --> 00:50:21,103 INTERFERING IN THE ELECTION 1003 00:50:21,186 --> 00:50:25,353 was never really part of what the coverage was. 1004 00:50:25,436 --> 00:50:28,103 I would just add, you know, this should be of concern to everyone 1005 00:50:28,186 --> 00:50:31,812 that the Russians are trying to influence our election. 1006 00:50:31,895 --> 00:50:34,561 Clinton: YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS CLEARLY INFORMED 1007 00:50:34,645 --> 00:50:37,019 ABOUT MY EMAIL MISTAKES, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW 1008 00:50:37,103 --> 00:50:40,436 there was an active campaign against us by the Russians. 1009 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,812 THEY DID NOT KNOW THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAD PERSONNEL 1010 00:50:43,895 --> 00:50:47,103 ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WHO WERE ALSO BEING INVESTIGATED. 1011 00:50:47,186 --> 00:50:50,353 IF YOU LOOK AT TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN THE LAST MONTH, 1012 00:50:50,436 --> 00:50:53,687 he mentioned WikiLeaks over 160 times. 1013 00:50:53,770 --> 00:50:56,687 And they used the most perverse 1014 00:50:56,770 --> 00:50:59,853 TWISTING OF ANYTHING IN JOHN PODESTA'S EMAILS 1015 00:50:59,937 --> 00:51:02,645 to create controversy, 1016 00:51:02,728 --> 00:51:05,186 and, uh, sow distrust. 1017 00:51:05,269 --> 00:51:08,687 A Russian news outlet just totally misrepresented one of these emails, 1018 00:51:08,770 --> 00:51:10,061 and then Donald Trump read it. 1019 00:51:10,144 --> 00:51:11,687 She's now admitting that they could have 1020 00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:13,228 done something about Benghazi. 1021 00:51:13,311 --> 00:51:15,228 This just came out a little while ago. 1022 00:51:15,311 --> 00:51:17,269 There was, like, an email story every day, 1023 00:51:17,353 --> 00:51:20,895 and then Comey drops this hand grenade on us. 1024 00:51:20,978 --> 00:51:22,895 Newscaster: THE OCTOBER SURPRISE CAME IN THE FORM 1025 00:51:22,978 --> 00:51:25,186 OF A THREE-PARAGRAPH LETTER TO CONGRESS 1026 00:51:25,269 --> 00:51:27,103 FROM FBI DIRECTOR JAMES COMEY, 1027 00:51:27,186 --> 00:51:30,061 WHO WROTE THAT AGENTS ON AN UNRELATED CASE 1028 00:51:30,144 --> 00:51:32,061 HAD LEARNED OF THE EXISTENCE OF EMAILS 1029 00:51:32,144 --> 00:51:35,144 THAT APPEAR TO BE PERTINENT TO THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION. 1030 00:51:35,228 --> 00:51:37,353 It's the wilderness of mirrors now, 1031 00:51:37,436 --> 00:51:39,728 in terms of investigation upon investigation. 1032 00:51:39,812 --> 00:51:42,812 We have to investigate Hillary Clinton, 1033 00:51:42,895 --> 00:51:47,353 and we have to investigate the investigation. 1034 00:51:47,436 --> 00:51:49,895 Podesta: THIS IS OUT OF A RUSSIAN PLAYBOOK. 1035 00:51:49,978 --> 00:51:52,395 "When nothing is real, everything is possible," 1036 00:51:52,478 --> 00:51:53,895 as one of Putin's critics said. 1037 00:51:53,978 --> 00:51:55,978 I don't think anybody knows it was Russia 1038 00:51:56,061 --> 00:51:58,812 that broke into the DNC. She's saying Russia, Russia, Russia. 1039 00:51:58,895 --> 00:52:00,561 But I don't-- Maybe it was. 1040 00:52:00,645 --> 00:52:02,603 It also could be somebody sitting on their bed 1041 00:52:02,687 --> 00:52:05,269 that weighs 400 pounds, okay? 1042 00:52:05,353 --> 00:52:07,687 It begins to kind of 1043 00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:10,770 destroy any trust that people have. 1044 00:52:10,853 --> 00:52:12,228 Do you make the same commitment 1045 00:52:12,311 --> 00:52:14,937 that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? 1046 00:52:15,019 --> 00:52:16,812 I will look at it at the time. 1047 00:52:16,895 --> 00:52:20,812 And that really destroys the credibility of democracy. 1048 00:52:20,895 --> 00:52:22,978 That's what Putin wants. 1049 00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:31,728 Brian Williams: WE LOOK AT OUR ELECTRONIC SUPERIMPOSED MAP OF THE NATION 1050 00:52:31,812 --> 00:52:34,603 HERE OUT BACK 30 ROCKEFELLER PLAZA 1051 00:52:34,687 --> 00:52:37,520 IN NEW YORK, WHERE THE SUN WILL BE RISING, 1052 00:52:37,603 --> 00:52:40,770 UH, ON THE PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD JOHN TRUMP 1053 00:52:40,853 --> 00:52:42,937 OF QUEENS, NEW YORK. 1054 00:52:43,019 --> 00:52:46,103 (cheering) 1055 00:52:53,228 --> 00:52:55,853 I felt like, you know, my insides had fallen out. 1056 00:52:55,937 --> 00:53:00,103 It's like, I mean... devastating. 1057 00:53:06,353 --> 00:53:10,061 Sanger: FOR MONTHS, THE NEWLY ELECTED PRESIDENT IS UNDER FIRE 1058 00:53:10,144 --> 00:53:12,520 FOR HOW HE'S DEALING WITH RUSSIA. 1059 00:53:12,603 --> 00:53:14,019 I know a lot about hacking. 1060 00:53:14,103 --> 00:53:16,061 And hacking is a very hard thing to prove. 1061 00:53:16,144 --> 00:53:17,687 So, it could be somebody else. 1062 00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:21,269 And I also know things that other people don't know, 1063 00:53:21,353 --> 00:53:26,395 and so, they cannot be sure of this situation. 1064 00:53:26,478 --> 00:53:31,353 And everybody is awaiting his first meeting ever with Vladimir Putin. 1065 00:53:31,436 --> 00:53:33,770 WHICH TOOK PLACE IN HAMBURG, GERMANY. 1066 00:53:35,269 --> 00:53:37,019 SO WE ALL FLY INTO HAMBURG. 1067 00:53:37,103 --> 00:53:39,728 TRUMP MEETS PUTIN, FIRST TIME. 1068 00:53:39,812 --> 00:53:41,520 HAS A LONG CONVERSATION WITH HIM. 1069 00:53:41,603 --> 00:53:43,520 THEN AT THE DINNER THAT NIGHT, 1070 00:53:43,603 --> 00:53:46,353 GOES OFF AND HAS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION WITH HIM 1071 00:53:46,436 --> 00:53:48,353 THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS WITNESSED. 1072 00:53:48,436 --> 00:53:52,770 President Putin and I have been discussing various things, 1073 00:53:52,853 --> 00:53:54,395 and I think it's going very well. 1074 00:53:54,478 --> 00:53:57,061 We've had some very, very good talks. 1075 00:53:57,144 --> 00:53:59,395 I head back to my hotel room, 1076 00:53:59,478 --> 00:54:03,228 and as I'm checking out, my cell phone rings. 1077 00:54:03,311 --> 00:54:04,978 It's the president. 1078 00:54:05,061 --> 00:54:09,061 "David, I just had the most remarkable conversation 1079 00:54:09,144 --> 00:54:10,853 "with Vladimir Putin. 1080 00:54:10,937 --> 00:54:13,186 "And he tells me, 1081 00:54:13,269 --> 00:54:14,895 "that if it had been the Russians 1082 00:54:14,978 --> 00:54:17,561 "who had meddled in the election, 1083 00:54:17,645 --> 00:54:19,645 "we never would have seen them. 1084 00:54:19,728 --> 00:54:21,395 "And therefore, it couldn't have been them, 1085 00:54:21,478 --> 00:54:22,853 "because they wouldn't have been this sloppy. 1086 00:54:22,937 --> 00:54:25,978 "You write about this stuff. You know about all of this. 1087 00:54:26,061 --> 00:54:28,061 He must be right." 1088 00:54:28,144 --> 00:54:31,395 The president was actually looking for affirmation. 1089 00:54:31,478 --> 00:54:35,353 He was looking for any way to deny 1090 00:54:35,436 --> 00:54:37,812 or cast doubt about the question of whether 1091 00:54:37,895 --> 00:54:40,353 the Russians were behind the hack. 1092 00:54:40,436 --> 00:54:42,478 AND AT THAT MOMENT YOU KNEW 1093 00:54:42,561 --> 00:54:44,353 THAT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT 1094 00:54:44,436 --> 00:54:46,728 WAS NOT GOING TO ORGANIZE ITSELF 1095 00:54:46,812 --> 00:54:49,103 TO PUSH BACK ON THE RUSSIANS. 1096 00:54:49,186 --> 00:54:53,311 ♪ 1097 00:54:55,353 --> 00:54:57,311 Newscaster: LET'S BE CLEAR FROM THE OUTSET. 1098 00:54:57,395 --> 00:55:01,103 This is unlike any cyber attack that we have seen before. 1099 00:55:01,186 --> 00:55:03,269 Newscaster 2: WE WANT TO START ON THIS WEDNESDAY MORNING 1100 00:55:03,353 --> 00:55:04,603 WITH THAT CRIPPLING CYBER ATTACK. 1101 00:55:04,687 --> 00:55:06,520 IT'S A NEW FORM OF RANSOMWARE... 1102 00:55:06,603 --> 00:55:08,645 It is hitting companies around the world 1103 00:55:08,728 --> 00:55:12,186 holding their computer systems hostage for money. 1104 00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:16,395 Spaulding: IN 2017, SHORTLY AFTER TRUMP CAME INTO OFFICE, 1105 00:55:16,478 --> 00:55:19,103 we saw a dramatic escalation 1106 00:55:19,186 --> 00:55:23,978 in the scale and the scope and the nature of cyber attacks. 1107 00:55:24,061 --> 00:55:28,311 THERE WAS A MASSIVE RANSOMWARE ATTACK CALLED "NOTPETYA" 1108 00:55:28,395 --> 00:55:31,186 THAT STARTED IN UKRAINE. 1109 00:55:34,311 --> 00:55:36,728 Dmytro Shymkiv: IT WAS JUNE 2017. 1110 00:55:36,812 --> 00:55:40,478 I'm deputy head of the presidential administration. 1111 00:55:40,561 --> 00:55:44,895 Took a few days' vacation to drop my, uh, kids to the summer camp. 1112 00:55:44,978 --> 00:55:48,061 And in the morning, I start receiving text messages from my team. 1113 00:55:48,978 --> 00:55:51,895 "WE THINK UKRAINE IS UNDER ATTACK." 1114 00:55:51,978 --> 00:55:54,395 "OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS REGISTERING ATTACKS. 1115 00:55:54,478 --> 00:55:57,019 THE VIRUS IS DESTROYING COMPUTERS." 1116 00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:59,019 YOU KNOW, ATM MACHINES WERE NOT WORKING. 1117 00:55:59,103 --> 00:56:01,978 HOSPITALS REPORTED THEIR COMPUTERS BEING DOWN. 1118 00:56:02,061 --> 00:56:05,353 TV STATION, GROCERY STORES... 1119 00:56:05,436 --> 00:56:09,144 It was devastating. It was spreading like fire. 1120 00:56:10,561 --> 00:56:13,770 Sanger: UKRAINE IS VLADIMIR PUTIN'S PETRI DISH. 1121 00:56:13,853 --> 00:56:18,353 IT'S WHERE HE EXPERIMENTS ON EVERY SINGLE TECHNIQUE 1122 00:56:18,436 --> 00:56:22,395 THAT HE ULTIMATELY ENDED UP USING IN THE UNITED STATES. 1123 00:56:22,478 --> 00:56:25,395 Breaking into emails, and making them public. 1124 00:56:25,478 --> 00:56:29,228 Sowing chaos with disinformation. 1125 00:56:29,311 --> 00:56:32,687 Shymkiv: RUSSIA WAS CONSTANTLY TESTING DIFFERENT STRATEGIES, 1126 00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:35,186 and different approaches, in Ukraine. 1127 00:56:35,269 --> 00:56:37,353 ATTACKS ON THE ELECTRICAL GRID, 1128 00:56:37,436 --> 00:56:40,061 2015, 2016. 1129 00:56:40,144 --> 00:56:43,186 ATTACK ON THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE. 1130 00:56:43,269 --> 00:56:47,395 ODESSA AIRPORT, UKRAINIAN SUBWAY IN KIEV. 1131 00:56:47,478 --> 00:56:50,353 You don't see the regular war. 1132 00:56:50,436 --> 00:56:54,311 But war is taking place, and it's devastating. 1133 00:56:55,311 --> 00:56:57,228 Alperovitch: WITH ITS NOTPETYA ATTACK, 1134 00:56:57,311 --> 00:56:59,228 WHAT THE RUSSIANS DIDN'T COUNT ON 1135 00:56:59,311 --> 00:57:02,228 IS THAT THE SPREADING ALGORITHMS THAT THEY PUT IN 1136 00:57:02,311 --> 00:57:03,853 WERE SO AGGRESSIVE THAT 1137 00:57:03,937 --> 00:57:06,395 it wouldn't just contain itself to the network of one company. 1138 00:57:06,478 --> 00:57:09,228 Newscaster: ANY FIRMS WITH ANY LINKS TO UKRAINE 1139 00:57:09,311 --> 00:57:12,645 ARE BEING CONTAMINATED BY THIS CONTAGIOUS VIRUS. 1140 00:57:12,728 --> 00:57:16,395 It would quickly jump out, and compromise contractors, 1141 00:57:16,478 --> 00:57:18,395 other networks that you may be connected with. 1142 00:57:18,478 --> 00:57:21,061 It escapes the box, and it begins to hit the corporations 1143 00:57:21,144 --> 00:57:22,603 and companies all around the world. 1144 00:57:22,687 --> 00:57:24,978 Zegart: MAERSK SHIPPING WAS ONE. 1145 00:57:25,061 --> 00:57:26,853 FEDEX WAS ANOTHER. 1146 00:57:26,937 --> 00:57:29,436 They lost hundreds of millions of dollars of business 1147 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,186 just from the loss of business operations 1148 00:57:32,269 --> 00:57:34,311 and the money they had to pay to remediate 1149 00:57:34,395 --> 00:57:36,687 the damage to their systems. 1150 00:57:37,687 --> 00:57:39,978 Sanger: THERE WAS ONE OTHER ASPECT 1151 00:57:40,061 --> 00:57:42,186 TO THE NOTPETYA ATTACKS 1152 00:57:42,269 --> 00:57:46,144 THAT MADE THIS STORY REALLY COMPLICATED. 1153 00:57:46,228 --> 00:57:49,561 IT TURNED OUT THAT A COMPONENT OF THE ATTACKS 1154 00:57:49,645 --> 00:57:53,061 HAD RELIED ON CODE THAT HAD BEEN STOLEN 1155 00:57:53,144 --> 00:57:56,311 FROM INSIDE THE NSA. 1156 00:57:57,228 --> 00:57:59,144 IN THE SUMMER OF 2016, 1157 00:57:59,228 --> 00:58:02,812 A GROUP THAT CALLED ITSELF THESHADOWBROKERS 1158 00:58:02,895 --> 00:58:07,228 BEGAN POSTING THOUSANDS OF LINES OF THIS CODE 1159 00:58:07,311 --> 00:58:09,770 TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE NSA 1160 00:58:09,853 --> 00:58:12,353 THAT THEY HAD THE CROWN JEWELS. 1161 00:58:13,561 --> 00:58:16,269 BEFORE LONG, THE NORTH KOREANS 1162 00:58:16,353 --> 00:58:18,645 USED PARTS OF THE SHADOWBROKERS CODE 1163 00:58:18,728 --> 00:58:22,687 WHEN THEY ATTACKED WITH A WEAPON CALLED WANNACRY. 1164 00:58:22,770 --> 00:58:25,687 Newscaster 1: THIS SPECIFIC WORM THAT WAS LEAKED FROM THE NSA'S TOOLKIT 1165 00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:27,103 TARGETED MICROSOFT WINDOWS. 1166 00:58:27,186 --> 00:58:29,144 Newscaster 2: WINDOWS-BASED COMPUTERS IN THE US 1167 00:58:29,228 --> 00:58:32,353 AND ACROSS THE GLOBE COULD BE AT RISK. 1168 00:58:35,645 --> 00:58:38,395 Brad Smith: I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER ON THAT MORNING, 1169 00:58:38,478 --> 00:58:41,728 SITTING IN THE MEETING OF MICROSOFT'S SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM. 1170 00:58:41,812 --> 00:58:44,353 And all of a sudden, people are seeing emails 1171 00:58:44,436 --> 00:58:45,978 pop up on their screen. 1172 00:58:46,061 --> 00:58:49,353 Reports from one customer after another. "What's going on?" 1173 00:58:49,436 --> 00:58:53,269 We're getting details of this massive international cyber attack today. 1174 00:58:53,353 --> 00:58:56,812 Hackers demanding money have paralyzed computers 1175 00:58:56,895 --> 00:58:59,853 IN AT LEAST 99 COUNTRIES. 1176 00:58:59,937 --> 00:59:01,937 Smith: YOU COULD ALMOST SEE THIS WORM 1177 00:59:02,019 --> 00:59:03,978 MOVING WITH THE TIME ZONES 1178 00:59:04,061 --> 00:59:08,228 ACROSS THE ATLANTIC OCEAN FROM EUROPE TO NORTH AMERICA. 1179 00:59:11,019 --> 00:59:14,311 Sanger: IT WAS AS IF WE HAD LOST THE BLUEPRINTS 1180 00:59:14,395 --> 00:59:16,353 FOR AN AMERICAN MISSILE. 1181 00:59:16,436 --> 00:59:20,228 THE NORTH KOREANS AND THE RUSSIANS HAD GRABBED IT, 1182 00:59:20,311 --> 00:59:22,728 IMPROVED UPON IT, DESIGNED A PROTOTYPE, 1183 00:59:22,812 --> 00:59:27,478 and shot it back at American allies and friends. 1184 00:59:27,561 --> 00:59:31,728 It attacked 155 countries in one day. 1185 00:59:31,812 --> 00:59:34,103 In the history of humanity, 1186 00:59:34,186 --> 00:59:37,978 no weapon has ever been fired by a single country 1187 00:59:38,061 --> 00:59:41,978 in a way that hit so many other nations simultaneously. 1188 00:59:44,561 --> 00:59:47,186 Sanger: THE VOLUME OF ATTACKS IS ESCALATING. 1189 00:59:47,269 --> 00:59:50,561 The sophistication of attacks is escalating. 1190 00:59:50,645 --> 00:59:53,853 And the debate about how to go deal with it 1191 00:59:53,937 --> 00:59:57,019 is only getting more and more confusing. 1192 01:00:06,478 --> 01:00:09,436 Brandon Scott: IT WAS MY FIRST DAY AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT. 1193 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,478 IT WAS ABOUT 12 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 1194 01:00:11,561 --> 01:00:14,520 I'M ON MY WORK PHONE AND I TRY TO GET INTO MY EMAIL, 1195 01:00:14,603 --> 01:00:16,186 AND IT DOESN'T WORK. 1196 01:00:16,269 --> 01:00:18,937 And then I get onto my Surface Pro, and it doesn't work. 1197 01:00:19,019 --> 01:00:21,520 And so I start to call some other folks that I knew would be up 1198 01:00:21,603 --> 01:00:23,687 and I was told that we had been hacked. 1199 01:00:24,978 --> 01:00:27,603 WE HAD BEEN HIT BY A RANSOMWARE ATTACK. 1200 01:00:27,687 --> 01:00:29,144 WE WERE ADVISED BY-- 1201 01:00:29,228 --> 01:00:31,687 uh, the administration but also from the federal government-- 1202 01:00:31,770 --> 01:00:34,144 that we should not pay that ransom. 1203 01:00:34,228 --> 01:00:37,770 WE COULDN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT WE NORMALLY COMMUNICATE WITH. 1204 01:00:37,853 --> 01:00:40,228 PEOPLE COULDN'T COME IN AND FILL OUT FOR THEIR PERMITS. 1205 01:00:40,311 --> 01:00:41,937 REAL ESTATE DEALS COULD NOT BE DONE. 1206 01:00:42,019 --> 01:00:43,144 BILLS COULD NOT BE PAID. 1207 01:00:43,228 --> 01:00:44,478 PARKING TICKETS COULD NOT BE PAID. 1208 01:00:44,561 --> 01:00:45,978 Fines could not be paid. 1209 01:00:46,061 --> 01:00:48,978 We're talking about lots and lots of business in the city 1210 01:00:49,061 --> 01:00:50,395 that could not be done 1211 01:00:50,478 --> 01:00:52,478 because the systems were crippled 1212 01:00:52,561 --> 01:00:54,561 and pushed down to a halt. 1213 01:00:54,645 --> 01:00:59,061 I LOST, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY 12 YEARS OF FILES. 1214 01:00:59,144 --> 01:01:01,812 Interviewer: What was the cost to Baltimore, ultimately? 1215 01:01:01,895 --> 01:01:04,019 Yeah, it was upwards of $15 million, 1216 01:01:04,103 --> 01:01:08,436 is what we had to, to pay out and to rebuild, and build better systems. 1217 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,478 Interviewer: And the original ransom was far less than that. 1218 01:01:11,561 --> 01:01:12,978 Far less than that, but, you know, 1219 01:01:13,061 --> 01:01:16,144 the mayor made a decision based on the advice of, 1220 01:01:16,228 --> 01:01:19,561 uh, public safety experts to not pay it. 1221 01:01:22,561 --> 01:01:26,853 Sanger: CITES ACROSS AMERICA HAVE BEEN PARALYZED. 1222 01:01:26,937 --> 01:01:29,853 And some of them, including one small town in Florida, 1223 01:01:29,937 --> 01:01:32,103 decided it was cheaper to pay the ransom 1224 01:01:32,186 --> 01:01:34,770 than to try to go rebuild the databases. 1225 01:01:36,937 --> 01:01:38,687 Scott: CITES AND GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, 1226 01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:41,436 BUSINESSES AROUND THE COUNTRY, NON-PROFITS AROUND THE COUNTRY, 1227 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,186 SCHOOL SYSTEMS AROUND THE COUNTRY, 1228 01:01:43,269 --> 01:01:46,186 HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN NOW. 1229 01:01:46,269 --> 01:01:48,478 RIGHT? THIS IS THE NEW NORMAL. 1230 01:01:58,436 --> 01:02:01,937 Richard Burr: SECRETARY NIELSEN, LOOKING AHEAD TO 2018, 1231 01:02:02,019 --> 01:02:06,103 WHAT IS DHS'S CURRENT ESTIMATION 1232 01:02:06,186 --> 01:02:08,436 of the threat to our elections, 1233 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,228 from Russia, or any other hostile actor? 1234 01:02:12,311 --> 01:02:13,978 We think the threat remains high. 1235 01:02:14,061 --> 01:02:15,478 Uh, we think vigilance is important, 1236 01:02:15,561 --> 01:02:18,186 and we think there's a lot that we all need to do, 1237 01:02:18,269 --> 01:02:19,770 uh, at all levels of government, 1238 01:02:19,853 --> 01:02:22,311 uh, before we have the midterm elections. 1239 01:02:25,395 --> 01:02:27,269 WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS, 1240 01:02:27,353 --> 01:02:29,561 the president never, uh, understandably, 1241 01:02:29,645 --> 01:02:32,478 never wanted the results of the elec-- 1242 01:02:32,561 --> 01:02:34,937 of the election to be questioned. 1243 01:02:35,645 --> 01:02:37,395 IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT, 1244 01:02:37,478 --> 01:02:41,353 BUT THOSE WHO NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON THE ELECTIONS, 1245 01:02:41,436 --> 01:02:43,561 THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. 1246 01:02:43,645 --> 01:02:46,353 The people who need to do the work that needs to be done, 1247 01:02:46,436 --> 01:02:50,311 have really dug in and, and recognized the, the threat. 1248 01:02:55,561 --> 01:02:57,687 Sanger: WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, 1249 01:02:57,770 --> 01:03:01,353 TRUMP HAD NOT REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT CYBER. 1250 01:03:01,436 --> 01:03:03,853 I DON'T THINK HE HAD EVEN HEARD ABOUT STUXNET. 1251 01:03:03,937 --> 01:03:07,186 HE CERTAINLY NEVER REGISTERED WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT. 1252 01:03:08,186 --> 01:03:11,311 He said to me at one point, "Oh. The cyber. 1253 01:03:11,395 --> 01:03:13,687 The cyber is very powerful." 1254 01:03:15,937 --> 01:03:19,228 BUT CANDIDATE TRUMP SAID HE WANTED TO PULL AMERICAN TROOPS 1255 01:03:19,311 --> 01:03:23,228 OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST, OUT OF SOUTH KOREA, OUT OF JAPAN. 1256 01:03:23,311 --> 01:03:26,770 SO HE SAW CYBER AS THIS MAGIC BULLET. 1257 01:03:26,853 --> 01:03:30,853 Today I'm convening this meeting to follow through 1258 01:03:30,937 --> 01:03:35,478 on my promise to secure crucial infrastructure. 1259 01:03:35,561 --> 01:03:38,353 And the networks that we've been talking so much about 1260 01:03:38,436 --> 01:03:41,645 over the last period of time of the federal government 1261 01:03:41,728 --> 01:03:44,895 against cyber threats. 1262 01:03:51,895 --> 01:03:54,603 Sanger: BY THE TIME TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT, 1263 01:03:54,687 --> 01:03:59,520 THE UNITED STATES HAD BUILT UP THIS MASSIVE, OFFENSIVE CYBER PROGRAM. 1264 01:04:03,353 --> 01:04:05,812 IT HAD GONE AFTER NORTH KOREA'S MISSILES. 1265 01:04:05,895 --> 01:04:07,812 Newscaster: NORTH KOREA HAS ONCE AGAIN ATTEMPTED TO LAUNCH 1266 01:04:07,895 --> 01:04:09,395 A BALLISTIC MISSILE, AND FAILED. 1267 01:04:09,478 --> 01:04:12,103 Newscaster 2: THEY MARK THE SECOND AND THIRD LAUNCH FAILURES. 1268 01:04:12,186 --> 01:04:14,561 Newscaster 3: ANOTHER FAILURE. 1269 01:04:14,645 --> 01:04:18,853 Using code to send those missiles spinning into the sea. 1270 01:04:18,937 --> 01:04:22,687 (exploding) 1271 01:04:22,770 --> 01:04:27,061 IT HAD GONE AFTER THE ISIS RECRUITMENT SYSTEM. 1272 01:04:27,144 --> 01:04:30,687 IT WAS CALLED "OPERATION GLOWING SYMPHONY." 1273 01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:34,603 AND THE IDEA BASICALLY WAS TO KNOCK ISIS OFFLINE. 1274 01:04:37,061 --> 01:04:40,645 BUT ONE OF THE KEY LESSONS OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION 1275 01:04:40,728 --> 01:04:44,687 WAS THAT DESPITE DEVELOPING ALL THESE NEW CAPABILITIES, 1276 01:04:44,770 --> 01:04:49,228 IT TOOK FAR TOO LONG TO GET CYBER OPERATIONS APPROVED. 1277 01:04:50,853 --> 01:04:53,311 Rosenbach: DURING THE TIME I WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, 1278 01:04:53,395 --> 01:04:55,353 not even the secretary of defense 1279 01:04:55,436 --> 01:04:57,228 could approve an offensive cyber operation. 1280 01:04:57,311 --> 01:04:59,061 That was only the president of the United States. 1281 01:04:59,144 --> 01:05:01,687 PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TAKEN A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH, 1282 01:05:01,770 --> 01:05:05,061 WHERE HE'S DELEGATED THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY 1283 01:05:05,144 --> 01:05:07,186 TO A LOT OF OFFENSIVE CYBER OPERATIONS, 1284 01:05:07,269 --> 01:05:08,937 NOT ONLY TO THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, 1285 01:05:09,019 --> 01:05:11,937 BUT TO THE COMMANDER OF CYBER COMMAND. 1286 01:05:12,019 --> 01:05:14,311 Dan Sullivan: WHAT DO YOU THINK OUR ADVERSARIES THINK RIGHT NOW? 1287 01:05:14,395 --> 01:05:17,812 If you do a cyber attack on America, what's gonna happen to 'em? 1288 01:05:17,895 --> 01:05:20,812 So, basically, uh, I would say right now, um, 1289 01:05:20,895 --> 01:05:23,311 they do not, um, think that much will happen to them. 1290 01:05:23,395 --> 01:05:26,144 -Sullivan: They don't fear us. -They don't fear us. 1291 01:05:27,978 --> 01:05:30,770 Sanger: ONCE GENERAL NAKASONE TOOK OVER AT THE NSA 1292 01:05:30,853 --> 01:05:32,061 AND CYBER COMMAND, 1293 01:05:32,144 --> 01:05:34,103 HE PUT TOGETHER WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION 1294 01:05:34,186 --> 01:05:36,228 SOMETHING CALLED THE RUSSIA SMALL GROUP, 1295 01:05:36,311 --> 01:05:41,395 WHO WERE DETERMINED TO TAKE AN AGGRESSIVE STANCE AGAINST THE RUSSIANS. 1296 01:05:43,353 --> 01:05:46,978 FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THE UNITED STATES HAD WARNED 1297 01:05:47,061 --> 01:05:51,061 THAT RUSSIAN HACKERS WERE INSIDE THE US ELECTRIC GRID. 1298 01:05:51,812 --> 01:05:53,436 IN 2018, 1299 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,603 THE NSA TOOK AMERICAN-MADE CODE 1300 01:05:56,687 --> 01:06:01,103 AND PUT IT INSIDE THE RUSSIAN ELECTRIC GRID. 1301 01:06:01,186 --> 01:06:03,228 AND THEY DESIGNED SOME OF IT 1302 01:06:03,311 --> 01:06:06,061 IN A WAY TO MAKE SURE THE RUSSIANS SAW THEM. 1303 01:06:07,019 --> 01:06:08,770 IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SAY, 1304 01:06:08,853 --> 01:06:11,103 "WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS IN A COVERT WAY. 1305 01:06:11,186 --> 01:06:13,269 "WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND 1306 01:06:13,353 --> 01:06:14,687 what the price will be." 1307 01:06:18,937 --> 01:06:21,186 Rosenbach: THERE WERE ALSO A SERIES OF MESSAGES 1308 01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:23,645 SENT TO RUSSIAN INFLUENCE OPERATIVES 1309 01:06:23,728 --> 01:06:25,812 THAT SAID, "WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. 1310 01:06:25,895 --> 01:06:28,478 "IF YOU CONTINUE TO CONDUCT CYBER ATTACKS, 1311 01:06:28,561 --> 01:06:32,228 "AND IF YOU TRY TO TARGET THE ELECTION IN 2018, 1312 01:06:32,311 --> 01:06:33,728 there will be repercussions." 1313 01:06:33,812 --> 01:06:35,978 There were very targeted cyber operations 1314 01:06:36,061 --> 01:06:37,895 to make it clear that we knew who was doing what, 1315 01:06:37,978 --> 01:06:41,269 and we were gonna degrade their capability to succeed. 1316 01:06:44,478 --> 01:06:47,687 Healey: IN 2018, IN THE LEAD-UP TO ELECTION DAY, 1317 01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:52,186 CYBER COMMAND TAKES DOWN THE RUSSIAN INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY. 1318 01:06:52,269 --> 01:06:55,770 They got in there, and really took apart their home network. 1319 01:06:55,853 --> 01:06:57,144 Really disabled it, 1320 01:06:57,228 --> 01:06:58,937 so that they wouldn't be able 1321 01:06:59,019 --> 01:07:01,061 to conduct their social media campaign. 1322 01:07:03,603 --> 01:07:06,436 Hultquist: THIS WAS A VERY FORWARD-LEANING OPERATION. 1323 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,269 IT LOOKED TO BE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. 1324 01:07:09,353 --> 01:07:12,978 RUSSIAN ACTORS WERE SOMEWHAT QUIET DURING THAT PERIOD. 1325 01:07:14,186 --> 01:07:15,895 The question is, how long will that last? 1326 01:07:15,978 --> 01:07:20,269 Can we defend forward against every, you know, potential actor? 1327 01:07:22,645 --> 01:07:23,937 (static) 1328 01:07:24,019 --> 01:07:25,520 Reporter: GOOD MORNING, SANDRA AND ED. 1329 01:07:25,603 --> 01:07:27,853 AND NOW IT IS UP TO THE IOWA VOTERS. 1330 01:07:27,937 --> 01:07:30,895 Reporter 2: IOWANS IN MORE THAN 1,600 PRECINCTS ARE GATHERING 1331 01:07:30,978 --> 01:07:34,561 TO BACK THE PERSON THEY WANT TO WIN THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION. 1332 01:07:34,645 --> 01:07:36,311 Pete Butteigeig: MY PURPOSE HERE IS VERY SIMPLE. 1333 01:07:36,395 --> 01:07:38,687 IT'S TO COME BEFORE YOU ONE MORE TIME 1334 01:07:38,770 --> 01:07:41,520 and ask you to caucus for me. 1335 01:07:41,603 --> 01:07:44,228 Chuck Todd: WE ARE STILL AWAITING THE FIRST OFFICIAL RESULTS 1336 01:07:44,311 --> 01:07:45,561 GIVEN TO US BY THE PARTY. 1337 01:07:45,645 --> 01:07:48,311 Obviously, things are going a bit slow for them. 1338 01:07:48,395 --> 01:07:51,937 Sixteen hours since the Iowa caucuses began. 1339 01:07:52,019 --> 01:07:53,728 We're still waiting for the results. 1340 01:07:53,812 --> 01:07:57,061 The app didn't work. No one knew if it would. 1341 01:07:57,144 --> 01:07:59,478 This is, so far, not so good. 1342 01:08:01,937 --> 01:08:03,728 Iowa was exactly my worst fear. 1343 01:08:03,812 --> 01:08:08,353 The biggest concern was that voters would not be able to trust the system. 1344 01:08:08,436 --> 01:08:10,061 What about the confidence in the vote? 1345 01:08:10,144 --> 01:08:11,895 Especially with, against the backdrop 1346 01:08:11,978 --> 01:08:13,687 of the Russian interference in 2016. 1347 01:08:13,770 --> 01:08:17,144 What Iowa is demonstrating to adversaries of the United States is 1348 01:08:17,228 --> 01:08:19,269 all they have to do is create that appearance. 1349 01:08:19,353 --> 01:08:22,103 And they probably don't even have to create their own disinformation. 1350 01:08:22,186 --> 01:08:23,937 American partisans will do it for them. 1351 01:08:24,019 --> 01:08:25,895 News anchor: THE PRESIDENT'S SON WAS SAYING IT'S RIGGED. 1352 01:08:25,978 --> 01:08:27,228 The president's campaign manager. 1353 01:08:27,311 --> 01:08:28,603 Jake Tapper: The Biden campaign is out there 1354 01:08:28,687 --> 01:08:30,436 openly saying they don't trust 1355 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:31,770 what the results will be. 1356 01:08:31,853 --> 01:08:35,061 They've created what's called a perception hack. 1357 01:08:35,144 --> 01:08:38,061 Our mind immediately goes to the question, 1358 01:08:38,144 --> 01:08:40,478 "Are the Russians messing with our election?" 1359 01:08:40,561 --> 01:08:42,853 It doesn't matter whether they are or they aren't. 1360 01:08:42,937 --> 01:08:45,937 This is one of the confusing aspects of election security. 1361 01:08:46,019 --> 01:08:48,937 It's not just about trying to hack into computers. 1362 01:08:49,019 --> 01:08:51,395 There's another aspect of election interference 1363 01:08:51,478 --> 01:08:53,311 that's about trying to hack into your brain. 1364 01:08:53,395 --> 01:08:55,561 They're ultimately trying to get the American people 1365 01:08:55,645 --> 01:08:58,269 to lose confidence in the system. 1366 01:08:58,353 --> 01:09:00,228 That the system is beyond repair. 1367 01:09:00,311 --> 01:09:03,478 That the system is broken, and their vote doesn't matter. 1368 01:09:03,561 --> 01:09:06,978 US officials have now told, uh, Senator Bernie Sanders that Russia 1369 01:09:07,061 --> 01:09:10,770 is trying to help his presidential campaign. 1370 01:09:10,853 --> 01:09:12,061 Reporter: How do you think it came out now, 1371 01:09:12,144 --> 01:09:13,478 if you had the briefing a month ago? 1372 01:09:13,561 --> 01:09:15,978 Well, I'll let you guess about one day before the, uh, 1373 01:09:16,061 --> 01:09:18,311 Nevada caucus. Why do you think it came out? 1374 01:09:18,395 --> 01:09:21,144 'Cause the "Washington Post"? Good friends. 1375 01:09:21,228 --> 01:09:23,853 Reporter: Joe, what do you say to the Russians? 1376 01:09:24,395 --> 01:09:25,978 I'm comin'. 1377 01:09:26,061 --> 01:09:27,311 They're continuing to meddle. 1378 01:09:27,395 --> 01:09:29,978 They're involved in this race, and in my primary. 1379 01:09:30,061 --> 01:09:32,561 They're involved going after me on Facebook. 1380 01:09:32,645 --> 01:09:34,269 They've already been taken down. 1381 01:09:34,353 --> 01:09:36,311 Because Putin knows me and I know him, 1382 01:09:36,395 --> 01:09:38,228 and he doesn't want me to be president. 1383 01:09:38,311 --> 01:09:41,895 The Russians want everyone in this country to mistrust everything. 1384 01:09:41,978 --> 01:09:43,436 Whether or not the Russians are involved, 1385 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,186 these next few months are gonna be tense. 1386 01:09:47,895 --> 01:09:49,395 Newscaster: WE DO HAVE BREAKING NEWS. 1387 01:09:49,478 --> 01:09:52,728 The coronavirus outbreak is now a global pandemic. 1388 01:09:52,812 --> 01:09:54,478 No country is untouched. 1389 01:09:54,561 --> 01:09:57,645 No part of our everyday lives is untouched. 1390 01:09:57,728 --> 01:09:59,770 We will see more cases, 1391 01:09:59,853 --> 01:10:01,770 and things will get worse. 1392 01:10:03,645 --> 01:10:05,353 Sanger: THE CORONAVIRUS 1393 01:10:05,436 --> 01:10:09,520 HAS REORDERED THE COMPETITION FOR WORLD POWER. 1394 01:10:09,603 --> 01:10:11,520 And so, it's not surprising 1395 01:10:11,603 --> 01:10:13,978 that it's reordered cyber power, as well. 1396 01:10:14,061 --> 01:10:16,395 Newscaster: BAD INFORMATION IS NOW SPREADING ONLINE 1397 01:10:16,478 --> 01:10:18,853 FASTER THAN THE CORONAVIRUS ITSELF. 1398 01:10:18,937 --> 01:10:20,853 CYBER EXPERTS AND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS 1399 01:10:20,937 --> 01:10:24,103 WARM THIS SO-CALLED INFO-DEMIC IS DANGEROUS, 1400 01:10:24,186 --> 01:10:26,103 AND NEEDS TO BE CONTAINED. 1401 01:10:27,853 --> 01:10:30,311 Sanger: IN THE MIDST OF COVID-19, 1402 01:10:30,395 --> 01:10:33,561 DISINFORMATION GETS SUPER CAFFEINATED. 1403 01:10:33,645 --> 01:10:35,186 And we see it play out 1404 01:10:35,269 --> 01:10:38,353 in Russia's favorite petri dish once again, 1405 01:10:38,436 --> 01:10:40,478 IN UKRAINE. 1406 01:10:40,561 --> 01:10:44,019 ♪ 1407 01:10:48,311 --> 01:10:51,061 Chris Miller: AS THE CORONAVIRUS BEGAN SPREADING ACROSS THE WORLD, 1408 01:10:51,144 --> 01:10:53,728 UKRAINE QUICKLY MOVED TO START BRINGING 1409 01:10:53,812 --> 01:10:56,353 SOME OF ITS CITIZENS BACK FROM WUHAN, 1410 01:10:56,436 --> 01:10:59,895 TO SERVE OUT 14 DAYS OF SELF-ISOLATION 1411 01:10:59,978 --> 01:11:03,353 IN THIS TINY LITTLE TOWN IN CENTRAL UKRAINE. 1412 01:11:03,436 --> 01:11:06,645 These people were not infected with the virus. 1413 01:11:06,728 --> 01:11:11,436 BUT PEOPLE ON SOCIAL MEDIA BEGAN SPREADING THIS MISINFORMATION 1414 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,561 THAT THESE UKRAINIANS THAT ARE COMING HOME FROM WUHAN ARE INFECTED. 1415 01:11:16,895 --> 01:11:19,687 PEOPLE STARTED USING VIBER, 1416 01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:23,645 AND INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK TO WARN EACH OTHER. 1417 01:11:23,728 --> 01:11:26,812 SOME OF THE MESSAGES WENT EVEN FURTHER IN SAYING 1418 01:11:26,895 --> 01:11:29,520 WE NEED TO GO OUT INTO THE STREETS AND PROTEST. 1419 01:11:29,603 --> 01:11:33,019 WE NEED TO TURN THESE BUSES OF PEOPLE AROUND TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN. 1420 01:11:33,103 --> 01:11:36,937 Or else we're going to wake up in the morning, and we'll all be dead. 1421 01:11:37,019 --> 01:11:40,603 -(crowd yelling) -THIS DISINFORMATION ACTUALLY FUELED 1422 01:11:40,687 --> 01:11:43,103 A REAL-LIFE PROTEST IN THE STREETS. 1423 01:11:43,186 --> 01:11:45,395 (rocks pelting buses) 1424 01:11:48,478 --> 01:11:51,311 (commotion, yelling) 1425 01:11:53,478 --> 01:11:55,311 POLICE CAME OUT IN RESPONSE. 1426 01:11:55,395 --> 01:11:57,061 CLASHES ENSUED. 1427 01:11:58,311 --> 01:12:00,144 (siren blaring) 1428 01:12:00,228 --> 01:12:03,311 WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, IN UKRAINE ESPECIALLY, 1429 01:12:03,395 --> 01:12:07,478 THE ENTITY THAT IS ALWAYS POINTED AT FIRST IS RUSSIA. 1430 01:12:07,561 --> 01:12:12,061 There are signs that Russia could be involved. 1431 01:12:12,144 --> 01:12:14,478 BUT THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE IN THESE GROUPS. 1432 01:12:14,561 --> 01:12:16,186 REAL PEOPLE WHO I INTERVIEWED, 1433 01:12:16,269 --> 01:12:19,311 WHO SAID, "I ALSO SHARED MESSAGES IN THIS GROUP 1434 01:12:19,395 --> 01:12:20,645 "TO GO OUT AND PROTEST, 1435 01:12:20,728 --> 01:12:22,478 to protect myself, to protect my family." 1436 01:12:22,561 --> 01:12:25,061 And it just spiraled out of control very, very, very quickly. 1437 01:12:25,144 --> 01:12:26,186 Within hours. 1438 01:12:28,395 --> 01:12:31,311 Sanger: THERE'S A LESSON IN WHAT HAPPENED IN UKRAINE. 1439 01:12:31,395 --> 01:12:34,853 THE RUSSIANS ARE ALREADY CHANGING THE PLAYBOOK. 1440 01:12:34,937 --> 01:12:36,561 THEY'RE TARGETING PEOPLE 1441 01:12:36,645 --> 01:12:39,395 who might be susceptible to the message, 1442 01:12:39,478 --> 01:12:41,228 the conspiracy. 1443 01:12:41,311 --> 01:12:43,269 And repeat it themselves. 1444 01:12:44,269 --> 01:12:46,311 AND IT'S NOT JUST THE RUSSIANS. 1445 01:12:46,395 --> 01:12:49,436 The pandemic now becoming even more than a public health crisis. 1446 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,812 IT IS TURNING INTO A MAJOR DIPLOMATIC CLASH 1447 01:12:51,895 --> 01:12:55,395 AS THE BLAME GAME UNFOLDS ON THE ORIGINS OF THE VIRUS. 1448 01:12:55,478 --> 01:12:57,853 I would like to begin 1449 01:12:57,937 --> 01:12:59,853 by announcing some important developments 1450 01:12:59,937 --> 01:13:03,144 in our war against the Chinese virus. 1451 01:13:03,228 --> 01:13:06,103 (speaking foreign language) 1452 01:13:09,728 --> 01:13:11,937 The Chinese in 2020 1453 01:13:12,019 --> 01:13:14,395 have used disinformation brilliantly 1454 01:13:14,478 --> 01:13:18,895 as people have been casting blame for COVID-19. 1455 01:13:18,978 --> 01:13:20,728 THERE WAS A STORY SPREAD 1456 01:13:20,812 --> 01:13:24,103 THAT THE VIRUS DIDN'T BEGIN IN A WET MARKET IN WUHAN. 1457 01:13:24,186 --> 01:13:29,728 BUT INSTEAD THAT IT BEGAN WITH A US ARMY EXERCISE IN CHINA. 1458 01:13:29,812 --> 01:13:33,144 There's absolutely no evidence for this at all. 1459 01:13:33,228 --> 01:13:35,019 But the Chinese saw 1460 01:13:35,103 --> 01:13:39,311 how well the Russians were able to plant this information, 1461 01:13:39,395 --> 01:13:42,186 AND WATCH IT TAKE OFF NATURALLY 1462 01:13:42,269 --> 01:13:45,937 AMONG CONSPIRACY THEORISTS AND OTHERS. 1463 01:13:46,895 --> 01:13:50,436 ♪ 1464 01:13:52,144 --> 01:13:54,770 Stamos: I THINK WE'VE BEEN HIGHLY DISTRACTED AS A COUNTRY 1465 01:13:54,853 --> 01:13:58,061 BY FOCUSING JUST ON RUSSIA SINCE 2016. 1466 01:13:58,144 --> 01:14:01,353 When the real long-term strategic challenge for us 1467 01:14:01,436 --> 01:14:03,561 is going to be China globally. 1468 01:14:03,645 --> 01:14:06,478 Alperovitch: RUSSIAN FOREIGN POLICY IS TO TAKE OTHERS DOWN, 1469 01:14:06,561 --> 01:14:09,019 AND CAUSE DISRUPTION IN THE SYSTEM. 1470 01:14:09,853 --> 01:14:11,436 China has very different priorities. 1471 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,812 They're trying to work within the system and take over the system, 1472 01:14:13,895 --> 01:14:16,478 so they're not interested in chaos. It's all about theft. 1473 01:14:16,561 --> 01:14:18,812 And primarily theft of intellectual property 1474 01:14:18,895 --> 01:14:21,520 that can be used to further build up the Chinese economy. 1475 01:14:25,144 --> 01:14:27,603 THERE WAS ONE TIME WE WERE BROUGHT INTO A COMPANY 1476 01:14:27,687 --> 01:14:30,353 THAT WAS IN THE SATELLITE COMMUNICATIONS BUSINESS. 1477 01:14:31,269 --> 01:14:32,603 They had discovered a hack, 1478 01:14:32,687 --> 01:14:34,645 and, uh, they asked us to analyze it, 1479 01:14:34,728 --> 01:14:37,311 and ultimately help protect them. 1480 01:14:38,019 --> 01:14:40,228 WE SAW THAT THE EMAIL ADDRESS 1481 01:14:40,311 --> 01:14:42,978 THAT WAS BEING USED TO REGISTER A BUNCH OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE 1482 01:14:43,061 --> 01:14:45,144 WAS BEING REUSED CONTINUOUSLY. 1483 01:14:45,228 --> 01:14:47,687 IT WAS A GMAIL ADDRESS. 1484 01:14:47,770 --> 01:14:49,978 AND WE TRACKED IT TO AN INDIVIDUAL IN CHINA. 1485 01:14:50,061 --> 01:14:52,311 THEY HAD A SOCIAL PERSONA, 1486 01:14:52,395 --> 01:14:54,144 and had a Picasa album, 1487 01:14:54,228 --> 01:14:58,144 which at the time was a photo album that was owned by Google. 1488 01:14:58,228 --> 01:15:01,144 IT WAS OPEN, AND HE HAD A BUNCH OF PICTURES OF HIS GIRLFRIEND, 1489 01:15:01,228 --> 01:15:03,687 AND HIS FAMILY, AND HIMSELF. 1490 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,061 AND HE HAD PICTURES OF HIS DORM ROOM. 1491 01:15:16,061 --> 01:15:19,353 AND IN THE CORNER OF THE DORM ROOM WE SAW A HAT. 1492 01:15:22,478 --> 01:15:24,228 WE STARTED DOING IMAGERY ANALYSIS, 1493 01:15:24,311 --> 01:15:27,269 AND WE NOTICED THAT THE HAT WAS PLA OFFICER'S HAT. 1494 01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:30,561 WE THOUGHT, "THIS MIGHT BE INTERESTING." 1495 01:15:30,645 --> 01:15:32,728 WE MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE CHINESE MILITARY 1496 01:15:32,812 --> 01:15:35,645 on our hands here that may be responsible for these attacks. 1497 01:15:38,812 --> 01:15:41,269 WE FOUND OTHER PICTURES THAT HE HAD POSTED ONLINE 1498 01:15:41,353 --> 01:15:43,853 THAT WERE LABELED "OFFICE." 1499 01:15:43,937 --> 01:15:47,478 THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THIS BIG WHITE BUILDING BEHIND HIM 1500 01:15:47,561 --> 01:15:50,520 THAT HAD HUGE ANTENNAE DISHES, 1501 01:15:50,603 --> 01:15:52,561 HAD REFLECTIVE COATING ON THE WINDOWS, 1502 01:15:52,645 --> 01:15:55,103 THAT WOULD PREVENT SIGNAL INTERCEPTION. 1503 01:15:55,186 --> 01:15:57,645 WE STARTED DOING SATELLITE IMAGERY ANALYSIS 1504 01:15:57,728 --> 01:15:59,520 TO TRY TO LOCATE THIS BUILDING. 1505 01:15:59,603 --> 01:16:02,103 WE TRACKED IT DOWN TO SHANGHAI. 1506 01:16:02,186 --> 01:16:03,853 TO A PARTICULAR AREA OF SHANGHAI. 1507 01:16:03,937 --> 01:16:06,269 WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE IMAGERY. WE SAID, "WAIT A SECOND. 1508 01:16:06,353 --> 01:16:09,186 THERE'S MILITARY GUARD GATES ALL OVER THIS BUILDING." 1509 01:16:09,269 --> 01:16:11,436 WE GOT THE ADDRESS OF THAT BUILDING, 1510 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:16,061 AND WE STARTED LOOKING INTO CHINESE GOVERNMENT MATERIALS. 1511 01:16:16,144 --> 01:16:18,603 AND SURE ENOUGH, WE DISCOVERED THERE WAS THE HEADQUARTERS 1512 01:16:18,687 --> 01:16:21,061 OF THE 12TH BUREAU OF THE THIRD DEPARTMENT 1513 01:16:21,144 --> 01:16:24,103 OF THE GENERAL STAFF OF THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION ARMY, 1514 01:16:24,186 --> 01:16:26,144 GIVING US PRETTY HIGH-LEVEL CONFIDENCE 1515 01:16:26,228 --> 01:16:29,311 THAT THIS HACK HAD COME FROM THE CHINESE MILITARY. 1516 01:16:33,853 --> 01:16:36,436 Clapper: THIS IS ACTUALLY PART OF A PLAN. 1517 01:16:37,478 --> 01:16:40,395 They lay it out in their, their five-year plans 1518 01:16:40,478 --> 01:16:42,561 for the technology they want to acquire. 1519 01:16:42,645 --> 01:16:45,603 If they can generate it indigenously, great. 1520 01:16:45,687 --> 01:16:46,895 If they can't, 1521 01:16:46,978 --> 01:16:49,687 because they want to get it fast, they'll steal it. 1522 01:16:52,478 --> 01:16:54,853 China alone is responsible for hacks 1523 01:16:54,937 --> 01:16:58,603 to almost 700 public and private targets in the US 1524 01:16:58,687 --> 01:17:00,395 in the last five years. 1525 01:17:01,687 --> 01:17:03,228 Zegart: ONE OF THE REASONS WHY 1526 01:17:03,311 --> 01:17:04,770 CHINA'S MOST SOPHISTICATED AIRPLANE 1527 01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:07,436 LOOKS LIKE THE F-35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER 1528 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,770 is because they stole some of the technology 1529 01:17:09,853 --> 01:17:11,520 from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. 1530 01:17:11,603 --> 01:17:14,228 When you look at pictures of it, you go, "Man, that looks familiar." 1531 01:17:15,603 --> 01:17:17,103 And that's just the tip of the iceberg, 1532 01:17:17,186 --> 01:17:18,645 from the Chinese side. 1533 01:17:18,728 --> 01:17:21,186 Newscaster: GOOGLE SAYS IT AND AT LEAST 20 OTHER COMPANIES 1534 01:17:21,269 --> 01:17:24,395 WERE VICTIMS OF A TARGETED CYBER ATTACK ORIGINATING IN CHINA. 1535 01:17:24,478 --> 01:17:28,353 A very sophisticated cyber attack on the health insurer Anthem. 1536 01:17:28,436 --> 01:17:31,436 Newscaster 2: THIS INTRUSION IS ONCE AGAIN THE WORK OF STATE-SPONSORED 1537 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,228 ESPIONAGE GROUPS BASED IN CHINA. 1538 01:17:35,311 --> 01:17:36,937 Sanger: AND THEN THE CHINESE ESCALATED. 1539 01:17:37,019 --> 01:17:41,311 THEY SPENT A YEAR INSIDE THE OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT, 1540 01:17:41,395 --> 01:17:44,478 the most boring bureaucracy in America. 1541 01:17:44,561 --> 01:17:47,019 Zegart: THEY STOLE 22 MILLION FILES 1542 01:17:47,103 --> 01:17:50,978 OF HIGHLY CLASSIFIED SECURITY CLEARANCE APPLICATIONS. 1543 01:17:51,061 --> 01:17:52,853 That is an intelligence nightmare. 1544 01:17:52,937 --> 01:17:56,478 The Chinese now have all sorts of detailed information 1545 01:17:56,561 --> 01:17:58,311 about your family members, 1546 01:17:58,395 --> 01:18:00,019 foreign friends that you may have, 1547 01:18:00,103 --> 01:18:02,478 that could be used to actually recruit assets 1548 01:18:02,561 --> 01:18:05,103 for the Chinese government sometime in the future. 1549 01:18:06,728 --> 01:18:08,311 Sanger: BY 2020, 1550 01:18:08,395 --> 01:18:11,687 THEY WERE BACK AT IT IN A MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED WAY. 1551 01:18:11,770 --> 01:18:14,520 News anchor: THE FBI AND FEDERAL CYBER SECURITY AGENTS 1552 01:18:14,603 --> 01:18:17,853 are warning that hackers linked to the Chinese government 1553 01:18:17,937 --> 01:18:22,770 are trying to steal research on coronavirus vaccines and therapies. 1554 01:18:22,853 --> 01:18:26,019 Sanger: THE WAY JET FIGHTER DESIGNS MIGHT HAVE BEEN 1555 01:18:26,103 --> 01:18:27,395 A DECADE AGO, 1556 01:18:27,478 --> 01:18:31,228 coronavirus has become the holy grail. 1557 01:18:32,895 --> 01:18:35,269 BECAUSE THE COUNTRY THAT WINS THE RACE 1558 01:18:35,353 --> 01:18:38,853 FOR THE VACCINE AND THE TREATMENT OF COVID-19 1559 01:18:38,937 --> 01:18:42,186 WILL BECOME A NEW KIND OF POWER, 1560 01:18:42,269 --> 01:18:46,228 ABLE TO SPREAD THAT VACCINE AROUND THE WORLD. 1561 01:18:49,103 --> 01:18:51,895 Finally, and perhaps most importantly, 1562 01:18:51,978 --> 01:18:56,311 as China has spread its economic tentacles through the world, 1563 01:18:56,395 --> 01:18:59,019 IT HAS RECOGNIZED THAT THE NETWORKS 1564 01:18:59,103 --> 01:19:01,520 IT IS SELLING TO EVERYBODY ELSE 1565 01:19:01,603 --> 01:19:05,395 ACROSS FIBER OPTIC CABLE AND 5G NETWORKS 1566 01:19:05,478 --> 01:19:08,770 GIVES THEM AN ELEMENT OF CONTROL 1567 01:19:08,853 --> 01:19:12,269 that a few years ago they could scarcely have even imagined. 1568 01:19:13,478 --> 01:19:15,395 Alperovitch: YOU COULD SEE A FUTURE WHERE 1569 01:19:15,478 --> 01:19:18,103 EVERY DEVICE THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE IS ON THE INTERNET, 1570 01:19:18,186 --> 01:19:21,144 and is connected to the 5G cellular network. 1571 01:19:21,228 --> 01:19:24,269 Warner: 5G IS LIKE MOVING FROM RADIO TO TELEVISION 1572 01:19:24,353 --> 01:19:27,103 IN TERMS OF HOW WE USE OUR TELECOMMUNICATION SYSTEM, 1573 01:19:27,186 --> 01:19:29,687 AND IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DRIVERLESS CARS, 1574 01:19:29,770 --> 01:19:32,687 OR OUR, OUR REFRIGERATOR THAT'S CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET, 1575 01:19:32,770 --> 01:19:34,228 AND ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES 1576 01:19:34,311 --> 01:19:36,019 THAT COME WITH A TOTALLY INTERCONNECTED WORLD, 1577 01:19:36,103 --> 01:19:38,186 that rides on a 5G network. 1578 01:19:38,269 --> 01:19:40,269 So who controls that network 1579 01:19:40,353 --> 01:19:43,812 is extraordinarily important, and I think what we're waking up to 1580 01:19:43,895 --> 01:19:46,269 IS WE'RE CONFRONTING CHINA 1581 01:19:46,353 --> 01:19:49,228 THAT HAS A NATIONAL CHAMPION IN ITS COMPANY HUAWEI 1582 01:19:49,311 --> 01:19:52,687 THAT IS A LONG-TERM SECURITY THREAT. 1583 01:19:52,770 --> 01:19:57,311 Hurd: THIS COMPANY HUAWEI IS THE LARGEST PROVIDER OF 5G EQUIPMENT. 1584 01:19:57,395 --> 01:20:00,520 THEY'RE THE ONES BUILDING THE ANTENNAS THAT YOU NEED. 1585 01:20:00,603 --> 01:20:04,478 THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE BUILDING THE SYSTEMS THAT MOVES THE DATA. 1586 01:20:05,853 --> 01:20:09,228 THE UNITED STATES' POSITION ON THIS IS THAT 1587 01:20:09,311 --> 01:20:13,144 ANY INFORMATION THAT IS ABLE TO TRANSMIT 1588 01:20:13,228 --> 01:20:15,186 across Huawei technology 1589 01:20:15,269 --> 01:20:19,770 will ultimately be accessible by the Chinese government. 1590 01:20:19,853 --> 01:20:21,770 AND WHAT IS THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT 1591 01:20:21,853 --> 01:20:24,019 GOING TO DO WITH THAT INFORMATION 1592 01:20:24,103 --> 01:20:25,978 IS THE ULTIMATE QUESTION. 1593 01:20:26,061 --> 01:20:29,561 ♪ 1594 01:20:33,895 --> 01:20:36,395 (crowd cheering) 1595 01:20:36,478 --> 01:20:37,770 Thank you. 1596 01:20:40,228 --> 01:20:43,103 So we begin, Oklahoma. We begin. 1597 01:20:43,186 --> 01:20:45,019 Thank you, Oklahoma. 1598 01:20:45,103 --> 01:20:49,311 And thank you to Vice President Mike Pence. 1599 01:20:49,395 --> 01:20:51,895 We begin. We begin our campaign. 1600 01:20:51,978 --> 01:20:54,687 Man singing: ♪ Happy birthday, Mr. President... ♪ 1601 01:20:54,770 --> 01:20:55,895 That's nice. 1602 01:20:55,978 --> 01:20:58,144 (crowd cheering) 1603 01:20:59,186 --> 01:21:00,728 Thank you. 1604 01:21:00,812 --> 01:21:02,895 (crowd cheering) 1605 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,812 Christopher Krebs: I HAVE SPENT THE LAST YEAR 1606 01:21:15,895 --> 01:21:19,144 GAMING OUT THE 2020 ELECTION. 1607 01:21:19,228 --> 01:21:20,770 Trying to get ahead of it. Really trying to think through 1608 01:21:20,853 --> 01:21:22,937 what, what's next. What's next, what's next. 1609 01:21:24,895 --> 01:21:27,186 MY NIGHTMARE SCENARIO IS RANSOMWARE. 1610 01:21:27,269 --> 01:21:31,603 THAT A RANSOMWARE ACTOR WOULD GAIN ACCESS TO A VOTER REGISTRATION DATABASE, 1611 01:21:31,687 --> 01:21:35,687 lock it up, and say, "Hey, election official. 1612 01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:37,561 "I've locked this up. 1613 01:21:37,645 --> 01:21:41,645 I'm not giving it back to you unless you give me $3 million." 1614 01:21:43,395 --> 01:21:45,228 THIS IS WHAT GETS ME UP EVERY MORNING. 1615 01:21:45,311 --> 01:21:46,603 It's the last thing I think about at night. 1616 01:21:46,687 --> 01:21:47,853 I wake up in the middle of the night 1617 01:21:47,937 --> 01:21:49,228 and think about it. When I'm walking the dog. 1618 01:21:49,311 --> 01:21:51,687 Up here, oh, it's a hellscape right now. 1619 01:21:54,978 --> 01:21:57,520 Clinton: WHEN YOU HAVE A GOVERNMENT LED BY SOMEONE 1620 01:21:57,603 --> 01:22:00,603 WHO APPEARS TO BE BEHOLDEN 1621 01:22:00,687 --> 01:22:02,144 TO VLADIMIR PUTIN, 1622 01:22:02,228 --> 01:22:04,311 you don't have much confidence 1623 01:22:04,395 --> 01:22:07,645 that your own government is going to protect 1624 01:22:07,728 --> 01:22:10,520 the integrity of our election. 1625 01:22:10,603 --> 01:22:13,812 I'M SOMEBODY WHO THINKS THAT PUTIN SHOULD HAVE PAID A PRICE. 1626 01:22:14,937 --> 01:22:16,937 I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT 1627 01:22:17,019 --> 01:22:18,770 EXACTLY WHAT THE THREAT IS 1628 01:22:18,853 --> 01:22:21,478 UNTIL, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S TOO LATE. 1629 01:22:24,311 --> 01:22:26,770 Sanger: IN 2020, THE RUSSIANS ARE BACK, 1630 01:22:26,853 --> 01:22:29,019 BUT SO ARE THE CHINESE. 1631 01:22:29,812 --> 01:22:31,395 AND THE IRANIANS. 1632 01:22:31,478 --> 01:22:33,728 AND THE NORTH KOREANS. 1633 01:22:35,269 --> 01:22:37,436 ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES ARE JUST EXPERIMENTING 1634 01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,895 WITH THINGS THAT THEY LEARNED FROM WATCHING THE RUSSIANS. 1635 01:22:40,978 --> 01:22:44,645 They realize that they can do damage to us, 1636 01:22:44,728 --> 01:22:48,395 by merely opening up the chasms that already exist 1637 01:22:48,478 --> 01:22:50,019 in American society. 1638 01:22:50,103 --> 01:22:53,228 ♪ ♪ 1639 01:22:58,311 --> 01:23:00,645 Rosenbach: IF IT WERE GOING TO BE A NATION-STATE ACTOR 1640 01:23:00,728 --> 01:23:03,687 WHO'S GONNA DISRUPT THE ELECTIONS IN 2020, 1641 01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:07,561 I THINK MOSTLY LIKELY IT WOULD BE THE NORTH KOREANS 1642 01:23:07,645 --> 01:23:09,937 OR THE IRANIANS. 1643 01:23:10,019 --> 01:23:13,645 IF WE WERE GOING TO LOOK FOR AN IRANIAN ATTACK, FOR EXAMPLE, 1644 01:23:13,728 --> 01:23:17,103 ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS DESTROY ONE THING 1645 01:23:17,186 --> 01:23:19,269 IN ONE STATE OR ONE COUNTY, 1646 01:23:19,353 --> 01:23:22,645 in conjunction with an information operation that would say, 1647 01:23:22,728 --> 01:23:24,978 "We are the holy warriors of Iran, 1648 01:23:25,061 --> 01:23:27,770 and we successfully locked up this server." 1649 01:23:27,853 --> 01:23:30,603 The press would cover it. There would be all these questions, 1650 01:23:30,687 --> 01:23:32,520 and America would be wrapped in knots. 1651 01:23:32,603 --> 01:23:35,186 At the same time, you know, certain political leaders 1652 01:23:35,269 --> 01:23:36,937 might also take advantage of that. 1653 01:23:41,853 --> 01:23:45,186 One final question. Our intelligence agencies have said 1654 01:23:45,269 --> 01:23:47,978 that your country is among the countries 1655 01:23:48,061 --> 01:23:50,728 that are attempting to interfere in our election. 1656 01:23:50,812 --> 01:23:54,186 We don't interfere in the internal affairs of another country, 1657 01:23:54,269 --> 01:23:57,144 but there is a cyber war going on. 1658 01:23:57,228 --> 01:23:59,853 The United States started that cyber war. 1659 01:23:59,937 --> 01:24:01,353 You remember Stuxnet. 1660 01:24:01,436 --> 01:24:05,061 Any war that the United States starts, 1661 01:24:05,144 --> 01:24:07,561 it won't be able to finish. 1662 01:24:07,645 --> 01:24:10,978 ♪ ♪ 1663 01:24:22,395 --> 01:24:26,269 ♪ ♪