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MAN: In 2016 we faced an attack
of a new kind.
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The Russians hacked democracy.
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MAN 2: The Russian interference
only worked
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because America was
a vulnerable target.
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MAN 3:
In the alleged collusion...
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These allegations are just
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Of course Russians preferred
Trump because Trump said
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that he preferred Russians.
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(SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN)
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announcer: The following is
a presentation of HBO Sports.
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[solemn music]
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♪ ♪
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- My name is Craig Carton.
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I have lived
through the most public,
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vicious, self-inflicted
fall from grace.
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I was the cohost
of "Boomer and Carton,"
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one of the most successful
sports radio shows in America.
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♪ ♪
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I fought my way to the top,
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and for ten years,
I had the dream job.
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But it was never enough.
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Never enough to make me happy.
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Never enough
to chase away the demons
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that have haunted me
since childhood.
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♪ ♪
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I had it all.
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The career.
The beautiful country house.
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I made more than $2 million
a year.
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And now, it's all gone.
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♪ ♪
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I've hurt my wife
and kids deeply,
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and I've promised
to shield them
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from the public spotlight
that's on me.
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But I am going to tell you
my story
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of how stupidity,
bad decisions,
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and a secret addiction
cost me everything,
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including the one thing
I took for granted:
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my freedom.
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[gate slams]
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♪ ♪
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[radio tunes]
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- Cross Island Parkway
northbound left lanes
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locked up with a crash
by the Grand Central.
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- Offer ends March 29th.
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Terms and restrictions--
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- With great offers
on everything
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from airfare to accommoda--
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[Jane's Addiction's "Stop!"]
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[rock music]
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- It's Boomer Esiason
and Craig Carton on The FAN.
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- ♪ Here we go ♪
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♪ Go ♪
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- Welcome, welcome, welcome.
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Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton
on The FAN
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and, of course, worldwide.
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September 4, 2007,
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was the very first show
for "Boomer and Carton,"
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and ten years later,
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it was the number one
most listened to morning show
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in New York and in America.
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- ♪ The world ♪
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♪ Is loaded ♪
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- There you go.
- [laughs]
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- What am I doing with my life?
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- ♪ No ♪
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♪ One ♪
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- "Boomer and Carton" became
a sensation.
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Boomer had the big name,
but Carton had the skills.
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He had that magic.
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Now sometimes, he'd go
a little too far,
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but he could really make a show
out of nothing.
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- We're doing
what manly men do.
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We're exfoliating.
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We have cucumbers on our eyes
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and we're picking
football games.
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Hit it, boys.
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- I have never met
anybody like him in my life.
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He is like a cross
between a Martian
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and, like, Don Rickles.
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- So LeBron James being
a loser,
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a big choke-arse, a big donut,
a big nothing.
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- At 6:00,
when the music rolled
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and the light went on,
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something just overcame him,
an energy
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a passion
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- I win.
Yes!
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Whoo!
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[laughter]
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[as Sylvester Stallone]
Adrienne!
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I did it!
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- In terms
of morning sports hosts,
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I would put him at the top
of the list.
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I couldn't even think
of a close second.
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- Jerry, good morning.
How you doing, buddy?
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- Craig, don't ever lose
your sense of humor.
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- I never will.
I've seen myself naked.
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- Craig comes from a line
of shock jocks.
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You know, he's sort of happy
to portray himself
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as a bit of an asshole.
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- He got a reaction, no matter
what you thought of him.
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You wanted to throw stuff
at your radio,
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or you wanted to be
one of his gang.
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- It really was a "love him
or hate him" relationship.
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- If you wanna go into it,
let's go into it,
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but not today, because I got
other people who wanna talk
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and you're boring me.
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Good-bye.
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- I mean, he had the will
to do some stuff
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that was just outrageous.
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I mean, he walked
across the Brooklyn Bridge
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in a Speedo with a sausage
in his pants.
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I mean,
what are we talking about?
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- ♪ No ♪
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♪ One ♪
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- This business is about
ratings and revenue,
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and Craig Carton has proven
he can get both.
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- ♪ Stop ♪
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- 6:03 a.m.
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Good morning, everybody!
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Boomer Esiason,
Craig Carton on The FAN.
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As you wake up this morning,
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the New York Jets have been
knocked out
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of the post season,
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but in addition to that,
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what else do you need to see
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to understand
that Mike Woodson can't coach?
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On the radio, I'm a big mouth,
I'm loud, I'm obnoxious,
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it's boisterous,
and I'm successful,
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and I'm gonna throw that
in everyone's face,
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because that's the type of show
I did.
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You have 500 other choices
on the radio
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and guess what you do.
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You listen to me.
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'Cause you can't live
without me.
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- Craig's on-air personality
is an act.
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It's a very polished,
well-rehearsed act.
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- He was funny, he was edgy,
he was into the show,
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but at the end of the day,
when the show was off,
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he became
one of the nicest people
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you ever wanna meet.
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- There are a lot of different
angles to that guy.
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There's Craig,
who is very thoughtful,
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very kind, very timid,
very shy,
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and then there's Carton.
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- You have to listen
with your ears,
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not with your fat face.
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- And he's an asshole.
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- But off the air, he's kind.
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He's generous.
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- He also cared about charities
that he worked with.
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You know, fire department,
police department,
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the 9/11 first responders.
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- You're the brave men
and women that show up,
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and we're indebted to you
for doing that.
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- He has compassion for kids
who are misunderstood,
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'cause I think
that's how he sees himself
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when he was growing up.
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- When I say "camp,"
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Camp.
all: Carton!
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- Camp.
all: Carton!
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- I love Craig.
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I owe a lot to him
for our success on radio.
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We were a team.
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We had the world
by the balls, man.
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We had built the brand,
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and the brand
was unbelievably popular,
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and he went off the wagon
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or however you wanna
describe it
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and just, you know, ruined
what we all had.
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[somber music]
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♪ ♪
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- July 6, 2019.
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Day 20.
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This is my first month
in prison,
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and I'm keeping this journal
as a part of rehab.
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♪ ♪
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I'm just another prisoner,
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and everything I own fits
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into this 7 foot
by 7 foot cubicle.
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Lunch is at 10:00
in the morning,
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and dinner at 3:00
in the afternoon.
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Every meal seems to be served
with rice and beans.
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♪ ♪
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One wrong move here
and they send you to the hole,
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solitary confinement
in the big house next door.
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Lewisburg
is a notorious prison.
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Jimmy Hoffa and John Gotti
did time here.
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Ever since I was a kid,
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my greatest fear
was being sent to prison.
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My dad once had me locked
in a cell
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in our local police station
for a couple of minutes.
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That was only a prank.
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This is all too real.
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♪ ♪
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[projector whirring]
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[Emerson, Lake & Palmer's
"From the Beginning"]
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[bluesy acoustic rock]
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♪ ♪
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From the outside looking in,
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we had a very basic, typical,
middle-class family.
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I had an older brother
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and a younger sister.
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- ♪ From the beginning ♪
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- My dad's name was Paul.
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He was an orthopedic surgeon,
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had a very small practice
in Yonkers, New York.
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My mother's name was Bobbi.
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She used to be
a registered nurse,
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then became
a real estate agent.
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♪ ♪
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I was a good athlete
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and I had my core group
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of, you know,
five or six buddies.
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You know, we did
what normal kids
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in the '70s and '80s did.
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Play outside
as much as possible.
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We'd play cards
on Friday nights.
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I got Intellivision.
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It was a gaming console
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which had blackjack
and craps on it.
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I turned that
into a living room casino,
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and that came to an end
when a kid's father came
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to our front door,
knocked on it.
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He goes, "With all due respect,
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"if you just look
in your backyard,
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my son's bike is there."
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"Why is your son's bike here?"
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"He lost it to your son
in a game of blackjack."
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I mean, I was a middle schooler
at that time.
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Now, I know
my parents love me,
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but they just never said it.
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I didn't think
that my voice mattered,
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so I was always fighting
for approval,
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and I grew up,
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you know, very protective
of my emotions.
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I was also hiding
from some childhood trauma,
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demons I had
mentally, emotionally,
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and that goes back
to something
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I didn't tell anyone about.
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Something I clearly built up
bad coping habits
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to get through it.
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Living a life of secrets
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and lying
and protecting myself
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really became my salvation
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and my life preserver.
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And I've been doing it
ever since.
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[somber music]
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♪ ♪
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When I left home at 18
for college,
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I got into Syracuse
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and was enrolled there
in the fall of 1987.
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I majored
in broadcast journalism.
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Good evening and welcome
to "Sports Look Tonight."
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I'm Craig Carton, and tonight,
we'll take a look
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at how the Celtics are doing
without Bird.
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I got very little experience,
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so I immersed myself
in being on the radio,
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and I fell in love with it.
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Radio allowed me to be
whoever I wanted to be.
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It gave me an outlet
to be opinionated,
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to be boisterous, to be loud,
to be confident,
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all the things I really wasn't
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in my interpersonal
relationships,
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so I basically was able
to create
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an on-air version of myself
that I liked.
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♪ ♪
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When you turned on
a microphone
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in front of my mouth,
I could just do it,
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and that's what I did.
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- WGR with Craig Carton.
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- Yeah!
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The weekend is back.
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[radio tunes]
Here on 3WE.
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A little bit less
than a half hour to go.
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"Sportsline" and you
till 7:00.
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Craig Carton--
[radio tunes]
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Sports radio, 610 WIP.
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Well, a lot of stuff going on
this morning.
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[radio tunes]
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It's a radio station
in Denver.
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You're on the air.
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We're doing a search for Busch
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and we're wondering
if you have Busch.
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- Is this a joke?
both: No.
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- We're doing a search
for Busch.
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[radio tunes]
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It's called a radio show.
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I always viewed it as that.
It's a show.
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So I'm putting on
a performance.
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Doesn't get any weaker
than that.
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Lethargic.
Pathetic.
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I mean, if I had a thesaurus,
I'd give you ten other words
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to describe
how the Cavs played yesterday.
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I wanted to be the guy
that had the balls to say
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what most people are thinking
without fear of retribution.
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[upbeat music]
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- He's shown in every market
that he's been in
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that he gets ratings,
that he pushes buttons,
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he creates headlines.
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For an audience,
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if they love him
or they hate him,
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they can't resist him.
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- Is this a picture
of your daughter?
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[laughs]
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This is not
an attractive daughter.
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I got an email one day
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that the morning show at WNEW
in New York,
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they had just fired
one of the hosts,
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and they hired me
off of two demo shows.
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The "Sports Guys," WNEW,
here in New York City.
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I was now the morning man
in the city I grew up in.
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Sid Rosenberg was the cohost.
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- We became very friendly
very, very quickly,
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and he was really okay
being that second guy, right?
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"I just got here.
You've been here, Sid.
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You're the host of the show.
You're the guy."
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- Hey, I got a new tagline
for you.
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"One sports guru,
one sports idiot."
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- Why would you refer to Sid
as a sports idiot?
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- No, it's not--Craig.
It's not Sidney.
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- Oh.
- It's Craig.
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[laughter]
Craig, come on.
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You gotta get off the horse.
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- He agreed to be
that second wheel
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until one Monday morning
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when I saw Craig
sitting in the host's chair.
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He was the better talent.
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He should've been
in that chair.
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But when you come up
a month or two before
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with your tail
between your legs
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and your balls
basically in your mouth,
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thankful to God
you got this job,
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you don't sit
in the host's chair.
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So needless to say,
that Monday morning
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was the very beginning
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of what turned out to be
many, many years
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of a hateful relationship.
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[dramatic music]
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- In December of 2001,
they said,
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"Well, you're not being fired,
but you're not being renewed."
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So I walked
into a last place show
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and left--I'm pretty sure
it was a last place show.
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And in May of 2002,
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I started doing
the afternoon show
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in New Jersey.
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2:34, "Jersey Guys."
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Craig Carton and Ray Rossi.
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- He was one
of the Jersey Guys
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on New Jersey 101.5.
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Craig was one
of the afternoon drive guys,
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and I was the United States
Attorney at the time,
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and that's how we first met
and we became friends.
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- I got in a lot of trouble
publicly,
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but I always viewed that
as a good thing.
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Instead of saying
West Virginia,
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you know what they put
on the screen
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on ESPN last night?
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both: What?
- West Virgina.
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[laughter]
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Very quickly became
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the most listened to
afternoon show in America.
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- I had the best seat
in the house.
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I was sitting back ringside
watching it all happen.
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He got to pull back
a lot of the curtain on things
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because he wasn't afraid
to expose you.
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He wasn't afraid
to call people out.
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- The real question
was gonna be,
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would his outrageousness
on-air,
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would that prevent
a bigger broadcaster
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from being willing
to take a chance on him?
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♪ ♪
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- And I'm sitting there
one day
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and Don Imus utters the words,
"nappy-headed hos."
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Those words changed my life.
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- Some rough girls
from Rutgers.
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Man, they got tattoos and--
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that's some
nappy-headed hos there,
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I'm gonna tell you that now.
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- Don Imus got suspended
and then fired for what he said
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about the Rutgers women's
basketball team.
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- "Imus in the Morning"
had been a legendary show
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and really had helped create
what became WFAN,
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the most important
sports talk show station
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in the country.
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- The FAN, Sports Radio 66.
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- When Imus was removed
from the air,
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it was a giant blow.
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It was ratings,
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but even more so,
it was revenue.
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- Everyone well-known Tom,
Dick, and Harry wanted the job
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'cause, you know,
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it's the single best platform
in radio.
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- I tried Jim Cramer,
I tried Lou Dobbs,
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I tried Joe Scarborough,
I tried the McEnroe brothers,
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I teamed up Boomer Esiason
with Monica Crowley.
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Thought the show
was a little too political.
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I said, "I don't think that's
the direction we wanna go."
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- I got a phone call,
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and they asked
if I'd be interested
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in doing the morning show
at WFAN.
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♪ ♪
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- Craig and I talked a lot
about the really short leash
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that his contract
was putting him on,
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and if he did anything
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that they found to be
objectionable, distasteful,
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that they could
terminate him immediately,
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and I said to him, "I think
that's the only contract
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"you're gonna get to sign.
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So I'd sign it if I were you
and behave yourself."
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- They wanted me to have
a cohost,
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and I said,
"Who's the cohost gonna be?"
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And they said,
"New Yorkers love him.
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"He was a quarterback,
he's blond,
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and he played in New York."
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And I said, "Great.
Phil Simms.
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He'll be a great partner."
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And they said, "No, this one
didn't win the Super Bowl."
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And I've always made the joke,
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I was like, "Shit,
it's Boomer?"
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- Well, I mentioned it
to Boomer,
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and he didn't wanna have
anything to do with Craig.
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I said, "Boomer,
he's really talented
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"and, you know,
it might be a good mix.
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It's worth a shot."
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- We met
at the Brooklyn Diner.
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Kay, we had never met before,
and he said--
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- "Let it rip
and let's see what happens."
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- 6:06 on The FAN.
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Good morning and welcome
to the first ever edition
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of the "Boomer and Carton"
show.
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Boomer Esiason, Craig Carton.
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Good morning, Boomer,
buddy boy.
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How are you today?
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- I'm wide awake
this morning, Craig.
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It's good to see you.
It's great to work with you.
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- When they brought in
"Boomer and Carton,"
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they didn't know that they'd
be able to replace Imus,
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and they made it
a number one hit.
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- You know what's happening
right now?
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Every guy that listens
to this show,
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all 3.7 million of 'em, right?
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- Boomer's sports knowledge
was great,
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and I knew Craig
was an entertainer.
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- [with fancy accent]
No one gave them a prayer,
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but here, 3 1/2 years later,
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they dominate
the radio landscape
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with booger jokes.
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- He was able to articulate
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just absolutely crazy opinions
with a straight face.
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- Dwarves.
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That's my answer.
- That's your answer.
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- You bring out--
you give every dwarf
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in the tristate area--
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- A free ticket.
- A free ticket to the game.
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- The only time
that I even was concerned,
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they would sometimes make
what they call fart jokes.
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- [blows raspberry]
That's right. I had gas.
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- They don't need five minutes
of gas noises.
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- And the TV aspect of it,
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by being on CBS Sports Network
and also on MSG Network,
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that just gave it
a bigger feel.
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[Joan Jett's "Bad Reputation"]
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[defiant rock music]
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- The thing I did very well
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was create compelling content
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where the listeners,
even if they didn't like me,
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didn't wanna miss
what I was gonna say next.
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- Oh, my God.
[laughter]
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- I wanna make love
to Mark Sanchez
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while Rex Ryan tickles my feet.
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00:19:04.041 --> 00:19:06.291
- He was the crazy,
zany radio guy
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that had ludicrous ideas,
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and then you had
the common sense athlete
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that would be like,
"Look at this idiot."
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- So I'm just gonna put 'em in.
- Hey.
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- Okay, now I want you to take
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an M&M out of the cup
and eat it.
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- You know what,
Gary Bettman right now--
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- Loves me.
- Is just absolutely sweating.
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- Do you want me to eat it?
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- He knew what he was doing.
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He was the fire starter,
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and I knew that I had to be
the older brother,
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I had to be the mature one,
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I had to play off of him.
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- ♪ And I don't give a damn
'bout my bad reputation ♪
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- [laughs]
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- I mean, we can't all,
you know, tuck our shirts in
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and pull our jeans up
to our nipples, Boomer.
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I mean, some of us actually
like to be casual and relaxed.
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- Although Boomer
was the true quarterback,
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Craig was the radio
quarterback.
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- I have a lot to say today.
I just started.
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I wanted to get to you quickly.
- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, you had a lot to say
last week too.
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- Yeah, I did.
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- You have to be
thought-provoking
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and entertaining and nasty
and nice.
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You have to evoke emotion.
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- [fake crying]
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00:19:55.875 --> 00:19:58.208
Just so--I gotta tell you,
the Yankees are great.
508
00:19:58.291 --> 00:20:00.458
- And you can't teach it.
509
00:20:00.542 --> 00:20:01.792
Craig's got it.
510
00:20:01.875 --> 00:20:03.208
- Right, so zip your lip.
511
00:20:03.291 --> 00:20:05.750
I mean, you decided
to get a job in TV,
512
00:20:05.834 --> 00:20:06.959
and you ain't that attractive.
513
00:20:07.041 --> 00:20:08.291
- There's almost
something Trumpian
514
00:20:08.375 --> 00:20:12.417
about his nose
for what will work on TV,
515
00:20:12.500 --> 00:20:13.667
what will work for a crowd.
516
00:20:13.750 --> 00:20:14.750
both: Bang!
- One more.
517
00:20:14.834 --> 00:20:16.041
both: Bam! Bam!
518
00:20:16.125 --> 00:20:17.500
- One more, one more, one more.
- Nice!
519
00:20:17.583 --> 00:20:19.917
- He clearly had
this great knack
520
00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:21.709
for radio performance.
521
00:20:21.792 --> 00:20:22.875
- We will play the audio
522
00:20:22.959 --> 00:20:24.583
of the foot fetish video
for you--
523
00:20:24.667 --> 00:20:26.875
- Why?
- At 7:10 this morning.
524
00:20:26.959 --> 00:20:29.166
- Why?
- 'Cause it's what we do.
525
00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:32.041
What made "Boomer and Carton"
special was
526
00:20:32.125 --> 00:20:34.583
the thing that came
most natural to us,
527
00:20:34.667 --> 00:20:37.000
and that was our
on-air relationship.
528
00:20:37.083 --> 00:20:39.208
- Went out and framed
your article
529
00:20:39.291 --> 00:20:40.542
that was in
"The New York Times."
530
00:20:40.625 --> 00:20:42.250
- That's a nice frame
you did there.
531
00:20:42.333 --> 00:20:43.375
"What were you doing
when I was playing
532
00:20:43.458 --> 00:20:44.458
"in the Super Bowl, Craig?
533
00:20:44.542 --> 00:20:46.709
You were inside, probably
playing Intellivision."
534
00:20:46.792 --> 00:20:48.834
- As goofy as you are
on the radio
535
00:20:48.917 --> 00:20:51.667
is as good a dad as you are
at home.
536
00:20:51.750 --> 00:20:53.625
- Well, thanks.
- You are a tremendous father.
537
00:20:53.709 --> 00:20:55.625
- It got better and better
from year to year.
538
00:20:55.709 --> 00:20:58.458
The closer they became,
the better the show became.
539
00:20:58.542 --> 00:20:59.458
- ♪ Not me ♪
540
00:20:59.542 --> 00:21:01.959
both: J! E! T! S!
541
00:21:02.041 --> 00:21:04.458
Jets! Jets! Jets!
542
00:21:04.542 --> 00:21:06.959
- He made Boomer laugh
a lot more.
543
00:21:07.041 --> 00:21:08.166
Boomer would
sometimes sit there
544
00:21:08.250 --> 00:21:09.875
with his arms folded like this
545
00:21:09.959 --> 00:21:11.959
just listening
to what Craig had to say
546
00:21:12.041 --> 00:21:13.041
and belly laughing.
547
00:21:13.125 --> 00:21:14.709
- Your name is Punto!
548
00:21:14.792 --> 00:21:17.458
[laughter]
549
00:21:17.542 --> 00:21:19.542
Boomer's wearing
the Pajamagram hoodie footies
550
00:21:19.625 --> 00:21:21.083
and really getting into it.
551
00:21:21.166 --> 00:21:23.208
[both laugh]
552
00:21:23.291 --> 00:21:24.917
Let me see what you got here.
553
00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.250
Oh, yes.
- [laughs]
554
00:21:27.333 --> 00:21:29.458
- I've seen guys
that are famous
555
00:21:29.542 --> 00:21:31.750
from something other than radio
come into radio
556
00:21:31.834 --> 00:21:34.375
and they don't really like you
busting their balls.
557
00:21:34.458 --> 00:21:35.959
- I have procured...
558
00:21:36.041 --> 00:21:38.917
- Boomer was okay
being made fun of.
559
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.291
- That's a handsome guy
right there.
560
00:21:40.375 --> 00:21:43.625
- The oil painting
of Boomer Esiason
561
00:21:43.709 --> 00:21:46.041
that he does keep in his home.
562
00:21:46.125 --> 00:21:47.291
How 'bout that?
[laughter]
563
00:21:47.375 --> 00:21:50.625
My greatest gift to him
was humanizing him.
564
00:21:50.709 --> 00:21:53.291
I made Boomer Esiason
a real person
565
00:21:53.375 --> 00:21:55.542
with a family and a dog,
566
00:21:55.625 --> 00:21:59.125
put his pants on
the way we put our pants on.
567
00:21:59.208 --> 00:22:02.291
And the greatest gift
he gave me was,
568
00:22:02.375 --> 00:22:06.166
he bought into my vision
569
00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:08.333
of what would make
the show successful.
570
00:22:08.417 --> 00:22:11.250
It's surreal that I'm the guy
on the morning drive show
571
00:22:11.333 --> 00:22:13.458
that Imus held for all
those years successfully,
572
00:22:13.542 --> 00:22:15.542
and we get to do that
every single day.
573
00:22:15.625 --> 00:22:17.667
They overpay me,
unless they're here,
574
00:22:17.750 --> 00:22:19.083
and then
you underpay me greatly.
575
00:22:19.166 --> 00:22:20.041
[laughter]
576
00:22:20.125 --> 00:22:22.333
I wanted
to prove everybody wrong
577
00:22:22.417 --> 00:22:24.083
that said I wasn't good enough
578
00:22:24.166 --> 00:22:27.667
to be major market successful.
579
00:22:27.750 --> 00:22:32.208
You know, the vindictiveness
of proving people wrong,
580
00:22:32.291 --> 00:22:35.458
to this day,
is very important to me.
581
00:22:35.542 --> 00:22:39.166
It's a driving force
of my life.
582
00:22:39.250 --> 00:22:42.166
[dramatic music]
583
00:22:42.250 --> 00:22:43.709
♪ ♪
584
00:22:43.792 --> 00:22:45.208
Day 68.
585
00:22:45.291 --> 00:22:49.166
♪ ♪
586
00:22:49.250 --> 00:22:51.792
One guy here says
he's a member of the mafia.
587
00:22:51.875 --> 00:22:55.250
He tries to talk tough
and use Italian phrases.
588
00:22:55.333 --> 00:22:57.375
One guy here really is mafia
589
00:22:57.458 --> 00:23:00.375
and made a call
to check him out.
590
00:23:00.458 --> 00:23:02.917
Turns out the guy
is full of shit.
591
00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:05.500
So he's been given
the unforgettable nickname
592
00:23:05.583 --> 00:23:09.041
Phony Soprano.
593
00:23:09.125 --> 00:23:12.792
Not long ago, I arranged
a huge charity softball game
594
00:23:12.875 --> 00:23:13.834
at Yankee Stadium.
595
00:23:13.917 --> 00:23:15.250
- Carton might try to go
all the way.
596
00:23:15.333 --> 00:23:16.417
- Come on home!
- Let's see.
597
00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:19.208
- Now, I've been drafted
by the Yankees
598
00:23:19.291 --> 00:23:21.458
in the prison softball league.
599
00:23:21.542 --> 00:23:24.375
There's trash talk,
and guys get into beefs.
600
00:23:24.458 --> 00:23:26.667
It's all pride and ego.
601
00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:28.041
So I say nothing.
602
00:23:28.125 --> 00:23:31.291
♪ ♪
603
00:23:31.375 --> 00:23:33.709
I feel like
life's passing me by
604
00:23:33.792 --> 00:23:35.709
while I sit here.
605
00:23:35.792 --> 00:23:38.041
I wanna scream and explode.
606
00:23:38.125 --> 00:23:40.625
Every day feels
like a marathon.
607
00:23:40.709 --> 00:23:44.375
My days used to be my shows
and planning new ventures.
608
00:23:44.458 --> 00:23:46.959
Now it's walking 3 miles,
609
00:23:47.041 --> 00:23:49.917
reading,
and learning to crochet.
610
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.417
Real men crochet.
611
00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:54.250
Or that's what I keep
telling myself.
612
00:23:54.333 --> 00:23:59.333
♪ ♪
613
00:24:00.542 --> 00:24:02.333
- Now let me ask you
this question:
614
00:24:02.417 --> 00:24:03.500
how are we doing the picks?
615
00:24:03.583 --> 00:24:05.250
Straight up, right?
These are straight picks?
616
00:24:05.333 --> 00:24:06.375
- Against the spread.
617
00:24:06.458 --> 00:24:07.417
- They are against the spread?
618
00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:08.625
- It's gotta be
against the spread.
619
00:24:08.709 --> 00:24:09.625
- No, I don't think it does.
620
00:24:09.709 --> 00:24:11.917
- How do you make picks
not with a spread?
621
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.417
I mean, what am I, 5 years old?
622
00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:14.583
- Just like we do it
on the NFL today.
623
00:24:14.667 --> 00:24:16.875
- [with lisp] I think
the Cowboys are gonna win.
624
00:24:16.959 --> 00:24:17.875
- Oh, you're an idiot.
625
00:24:17.959 --> 00:24:19.583
You really are.
- I mean, come on, dude.
626
00:24:19.667 --> 00:24:21.792
- Gambling was a big part
of the show.
627
00:24:21.875 --> 00:24:25.125
- The Green Bay Packers will
beat the Chicago Bears,
628
00:24:25.208 --> 00:24:27.625
and I also love the under.
629
00:24:27.709 --> 00:24:29.166
- Talking about the games
630
00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:31.500
and, you know, who to bet
here or there.
631
00:24:31.583 --> 00:24:32.792
- You can have
your 2 grand back
632
00:24:32.875 --> 00:24:35.000
and I'll double it
and give you 2,000 more.
633
00:24:35.083 --> 00:24:38.792
Gambling has always been,
you know, a part of my life.
634
00:24:38.875 --> 00:24:41.834
[energetic music]
635
00:24:41.917 --> 00:24:44.125
- I always had an affinity
for gambling.
636
00:24:44.208 --> 00:24:45.500
I enjoyed it.
I liked it.
637
00:24:45.583 --> 00:24:48.750
The action,
the energy in the room.
638
00:24:48.834 --> 00:24:50.959
I was a good card player
as a kid,
639
00:24:51.041 --> 00:24:52.125
but later on in life,
640
00:24:52.208 --> 00:24:56.125
the majority of my gambling
was sports-related.
641
00:24:56.208 --> 00:24:59.125
My biggest wager was probably
a thousand bucks,
642
00:24:59.208 --> 00:25:01.625
and it was many years later
643
00:25:01.709 --> 00:25:04.834
that I really started
playing blackjack.
644
00:25:04.917 --> 00:25:07.625
- Craig's infatuation
with gambling was never
645
00:25:07.709 --> 00:25:09.458
a secret to me.
646
00:25:09.542 --> 00:25:11.709
Even when we were at 101.5
with the Jersey Guys,
647
00:25:11.792 --> 00:25:13.542
we would be in Atlantic City.
648
00:25:13.625 --> 00:25:17.125
The tables were $10 a hand
up to $200 a hand,
649
00:25:17.208 --> 00:25:19.166
and even at that time,
he was a social butterfly,
650
00:25:19.250 --> 00:25:21.000
spinning around,
going from table to table,
651
00:25:21.083 --> 00:25:24.125
having a good time, gambling.
652
00:25:24.208 --> 00:25:27.000
- About 2013, '14,
653
00:25:27.083 --> 00:25:29.208
I'm now playing more blackjack.
654
00:25:29.291 --> 00:25:31.125
I thought that if I treated it
655
00:25:31.208 --> 00:25:34.291
with the discipline
of a stockbroker
656
00:25:34.375 --> 00:25:36.333
and thought of it as a job
657
00:25:36.417 --> 00:25:38.542
that I could actually be
very lucrative doing it.
658
00:25:38.625 --> 00:25:43.166
♪ ♪
659
00:25:43.250 --> 00:25:44.500
- He could play one, two,
660
00:25:44.583 --> 00:25:46.917
sometimes three hands
at one time
661
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.375
and never skipped a beat.
662
00:25:48.458 --> 00:25:50.750
I've played blackjack.
I love playing blackjack.
663
00:25:50.834 --> 00:25:53.041
I have trouble
with my one hand.
664
00:25:53.125 --> 00:25:55.208
- I had been around him
a couple times
665
00:25:55.291 --> 00:25:58.834
where he won a lot of money.
666
00:25:58.917 --> 00:26:00.041
I would start to think
to myself,
667
00:26:00.125 --> 00:26:03.041
"He has this figured out.
Why can't I figure this out?
668
00:26:03.125 --> 00:26:07.333
This seems like
great additional income."
669
00:26:07.417 --> 00:26:10.417
- When it came to gambling,
I thought I was the best at it
670
00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:14.583
and I didn't think
any casino could beat me.
671
00:26:14.667 --> 00:26:17.583
The cockiness
that I'm really good at it,
672
00:26:17.667 --> 00:26:19.083
I'm gonna win,
673
00:26:19.166 --> 00:26:21.083
that plays into your ego.
674
00:26:21.166 --> 00:26:22.959
So there's an arrogance
to it--
675
00:26:23.041 --> 00:26:23.917
there was for me, at least--
676
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.000
where, you know,
I always compared it
677
00:26:26.083 --> 00:26:28.583
to Tiger Woods
on a golf course,
678
00:26:28.667 --> 00:26:30.959
Michael Jordan
on a basketball court.
679
00:26:31.041 --> 00:26:33.583
When they stepped on the court
and the golf course,
680
00:26:33.667 --> 00:26:35.208
nothing else mattered.
681
00:26:35.291 --> 00:26:38.709
So when I sat down at a table
to play blackjack,
682
00:26:38.792 --> 00:26:40.709
nothing else mattered.
683
00:26:40.792 --> 00:26:42.125
- I'm not really a gambler,
684
00:26:42.208 --> 00:26:44.458
but Craig and I sat down
at a blackjack table,
685
00:26:44.542 --> 00:26:46.750
and after about 20 hands,
686
00:26:46.834 --> 00:26:49.458
I had won $3,500.
687
00:26:49.542 --> 00:26:52.000
And I said, "I'm done.
I'm leaving.
688
00:26:52.083 --> 00:26:53.625
I got my 3,500.
I'm good."
689
00:26:53.709 --> 00:26:55.125
You know, everybody said,
"No, you gotta stay.
690
00:26:55.208 --> 00:26:57.583
You gotta stay."
I'm like, "No, I'm leaving."
691
00:26:57.667 --> 00:26:59.417
And really, when you think
about the difference
692
00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:02.417
between me and Craig
when it comes to gambling,
693
00:27:02.500 --> 00:27:03.750
there it is right there.
694
00:27:03.834 --> 00:27:06.083
I left, he stayed,
695
00:27:06.166 --> 00:27:08.500
and then later on came the bet
for the Borgata
696
00:27:08.583 --> 00:27:10.458
because I guess he felt like,
697
00:27:10.542 --> 00:27:12.834
you know, he had to prove
something to me.
698
00:27:12.917 --> 00:27:14.458
- We were doing a show
699
00:27:14.542 --> 00:27:16.792
at the Borgata
in Atlantic City.
700
00:27:16.875 --> 00:27:17.959
We would go down there
once a year,
701
00:27:18.041 --> 00:27:20.000
do a broadcast from down there.
702
00:27:20.083 --> 00:27:22.500
- In a strange way,
it kinda happened overnight.
703
00:27:22.583 --> 00:27:24.792
An infamous event
called the Boomer Bet.
704
00:27:24.875 --> 00:27:27.458
- If you show me
how to win some money.
705
00:27:27.542 --> 00:27:29.291
- Here's what I would do
for you at Borgata.
706
00:27:29.375 --> 00:27:31.625
You just have to take
the leap of faith.
707
00:27:31.709 --> 00:27:35.208
- He was on such a roll
and so cocky and confident
708
00:27:35.291 --> 00:27:37.125
with his blackjack winning,
709
00:27:37.208 --> 00:27:39.792
Craig brought up on the air
710
00:27:39.875 --> 00:27:42.625
that he would double
Boomer's money.
711
00:27:42.709 --> 00:27:45.125
- Talking about
what a great gambler he was
712
00:27:45.208 --> 00:27:47.667
and that he could take $10,000
of my money
713
00:27:47.750 --> 00:27:50.166
and double it
and all this other--
714
00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:52.125
I said, "Oh, really?
You could double my money?
715
00:27:52.208 --> 00:27:53.125
You could double my money?"
716
00:27:53.208 --> 00:27:54.667
And I just kept, you know,
pushing him
717
00:27:54.750 --> 00:27:55.834
and pushing him
and pushing him,
718
00:27:55.917 --> 00:27:57.333
and he kept saying, "Yeah,
I could double your money.
719
00:27:57.417 --> 00:27:58.333
I could double your money."
720
00:27:58.417 --> 00:28:00.291
How 'bout if I give you
10 grand?
721
00:28:00.375 --> 00:28:02.000
- If you gave me 10 grand?
- Yeah.
722
00:28:02.083 --> 00:28:04.667
- I'd guarantee you 25,000.
723
00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:06.250
- Guarantee me--I'm in.
724
00:28:06.333 --> 00:28:09.834
- To guarantee a win
is just stupid,
725
00:28:09.917 --> 00:28:12.667
but I said it on the air
and he called me on it.
726
00:28:12.750 --> 00:28:15.959
[dramatic music]
727
00:28:16.041 --> 00:28:20.000
Boomer came into the studio
with $10,000 in cash
728
00:28:20.083 --> 00:28:23.834
and counted out
every single $100 bill.
729
00:28:23.917 --> 00:28:25.208
- I gave him 10 grand.
730
00:28:25.291 --> 00:28:26.834
It was crazy radio.
731
00:28:26.917 --> 00:28:28.750
You had gambling
and the Borgata
732
00:28:28.834 --> 00:28:30.500
and money and cash.
733
00:28:30.583 --> 00:28:32.333
- We talk it up and talk it up
734
00:28:32.417 --> 00:28:35.208
for the weeks leading up
to this Borgata remote.
735
00:28:35.291 --> 00:28:36.750
- I remember
listeners calling up
736
00:28:36.834 --> 00:28:38.834
and saying, you know,
"You're full of baloney.
737
00:28:38.917 --> 00:28:41.542
You're not doing that.
That's not real money."
738
00:28:41.625 --> 00:28:42.625
- Alan and I were,
like, trying
739
00:28:42.709 --> 00:28:44.000
to do the math in our heads,
740
00:28:44.083 --> 00:28:46.750
saying, like,
"How is this gonna work?"
741
00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:52.250
- That night,
I won about $80,000
742
00:28:52.333 --> 00:28:53.333
playing blackjack.
743
00:28:53.417 --> 00:28:55.041
"Boomer and Carton"
live at the Borgata.
744
00:28:55.125 --> 00:28:57.000
We're inside the B Bar.
745
00:28:57.083 --> 00:28:58.542
At 11:00 this morning,
746
00:28:58.625 --> 00:29:00.917
it's the first ever
"Boomer and Carton" deep stack
747
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:02.542
Texas Hold'em tournament.
748
00:29:02.625 --> 00:29:05.041
Normally, when we did our show
at the Borgata,
749
00:29:05.125 --> 00:29:06.208
a hundred people came
750
00:29:06.291 --> 00:29:08.834
to watch us do the show
Friday morning.
751
00:29:08.917 --> 00:29:10.166
That Friday morning,
752
00:29:10.250 --> 00:29:12.583
there might have been
a thousand people there.
753
00:29:12.667 --> 00:29:14.834
- Craig has a sack of cash.
754
00:29:14.917 --> 00:29:18.041
He takes it, puts it down
on the desk,
755
00:29:18.125 --> 00:29:20.750
and presented to Boomer,
756
00:29:20.834 --> 00:29:23.291
and there was much rejoicing.
757
00:29:23.375 --> 00:29:26.000
- So I gave him the 25 grand.
The place goes crazy.
758
00:29:26.083 --> 00:29:28.917
- And that bet
was the coolest thing
759
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.291
and, as it's turned out,
760
00:29:30.375 --> 00:29:33.291
probably the worst thing
that's ever happened.
761
00:29:33.375 --> 00:29:35.083
- The real problem
with the Boomer Bet
762
00:29:35.166 --> 00:29:36.583
is that I won.
763
00:29:36.667 --> 00:29:38.792
As a result of that win,
764
00:29:38.875 --> 00:29:42.417
I'm now, you know,
the blackjack whisperer.
765
00:29:42.500 --> 00:29:44.041
- I would get calls
from callers,
766
00:29:44.125 --> 00:29:45.917
"Hey, let me give Craig
10 grand."
767
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:46.917
You know, I'd hang up on 'em.
768
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.250
I never would
put anybody through,
769
00:29:48.333 --> 00:29:50.417
'cause that seemed silly
to me.
770
00:29:50.500 --> 00:29:53.917
Well, he's not gonna take
some random dude's $10,000
771
00:29:54.041 --> 00:29:55.125
and promise to double it.
772
00:29:55.208 --> 00:29:56.583
That didn't make sense.
773
00:29:56.667 --> 00:29:57.959
- So I started
to get approached
774
00:29:58.041 --> 00:29:59.959
by a number of these types
of people
775
00:30:00.041 --> 00:30:02.959
who heard the bet,
knew that I had paid it off,
776
00:30:03.041 --> 00:30:04.000
and then wanted to know
777
00:30:04.083 --> 00:30:06.000
if I wanted to be in business
with them.
778
00:30:06.083 --> 00:30:09.458
"Hey, Craig, I'll give you
100,000 bucks.
779
00:30:09.542 --> 00:30:12.792
Give me 110,000 back
next month."
780
00:30:12.875 --> 00:30:14.458
- That's where
the craziness began,
781
00:30:14.542 --> 00:30:17.291
and I guess it just got worse
and worse and worse for him.
782
00:30:17.375 --> 00:30:20.291
[dramatic music]
783
00:30:20.375 --> 00:30:26.959
♪ ♪
784
00:30:27.041 --> 00:30:29.291
- Once people started
giving me money to gamble
785
00:30:29.375 --> 00:30:32.458
on a regular basis,
and significant sums of money,
786
00:30:32.542 --> 00:30:36.542
then I was all in.
787
00:30:36.625 --> 00:30:38.375
There were
four different individuals,
788
00:30:38.458 --> 00:30:40.750
two of whom I've never met
to this day,
789
00:30:40.834 --> 00:30:44.291
who extended me loans
upwards of a million dollars.
790
00:30:44.375 --> 00:30:46.917
There were times
when I met a buddy
791
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.166
on a street corner
in New York City
792
00:30:49.250 --> 00:30:51.375
and he would hand me
a knapsack,
793
00:30:51.458 --> 00:30:54.750
and inside that knapsack
was a million dollars cash.
794
00:30:56.375 --> 00:30:58.166
Blackjack became a drug for me.
795
00:30:58.250 --> 00:31:00.959
[indistinct chatter]
796
00:31:01.041 --> 00:31:04.542
- A blackjack player is like
somebody doing cocaine.
797
00:31:04.625 --> 00:31:08.959
You have to keep taking cocaine
to maintain that rush,
798
00:31:09.041 --> 00:31:11.041
and blackjack
is extremely similar.
799
00:31:11.125 --> 00:31:17.041
♪ ♪
800
00:31:17.125 --> 00:31:19.000
- Everyone knew
that I gambled.
801
00:31:19.083 --> 00:31:20.417
They all knew
I liked to gamble.
802
00:31:20.500 --> 00:31:23.208
Nobody knew
the amounts I was gambling.
803
00:31:23.291 --> 00:31:26.583
There was one time
I won $325,000
804
00:31:26.667 --> 00:31:28.542
in, like, nine minutes.
805
00:31:28.625 --> 00:31:31.959
Two hands, $15,000 per hand,
806
00:31:32.041 --> 00:31:35.083
so 30,000 bucks every deal.
807
00:31:35.166 --> 00:31:36.834
I won 325 grand
808
00:31:36.917 --> 00:31:40.166
and walked out the door
to go to work.
809
00:31:40.250 --> 00:31:46.959
♪ ♪
810
00:31:47.959 --> 00:31:49.417
When I decided
I wanted to gamble,
811
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:52.041
I would reach out
to one of the investors.
812
00:31:52.125 --> 00:31:54.250
I would then wire that money
to the casino.
813
00:31:54.333 --> 00:31:57.041
It's called front money.
814
00:31:57.125 --> 00:31:59.917
Most of the time,
I was there after I worked,
815
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.083
and I would go there
right after a show.
816
00:32:03.166 --> 00:32:04.125
- If you really think
about it,
817
00:32:04.208 --> 00:32:06.458
what normal person,
at 12:00 noon,
818
00:32:06.542 --> 00:32:08.750
decides to drive 2 1/2 hours
819
00:32:08.834 --> 00:32:10.375
to go play blackjack
for an hour
820
00:32:10.458 --> 00:32:11.583
to drive back 2 1/2 hours?
821
00:32:11.667 --> 00:32:12.750
I mean, think about that.
822
00:32:12.834 --> 00:32:17.250
Five hours of driving
to play blackjack for an hour?
823
00:32:17.333 --> 00:32:19.208
Who the--why?
824
00:32:19.291 --> 00:32:21.583
- When I was gambling
late at night, nobody knew.
825
00:32:21.667 --> 00:32:23.417
I didn't tell anybody.
826
00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:25.375
I would leave my apartment
at midnight,
827
00:32:25.458 --> 00:32:27.959
everyone was sleeping,
and I was gone.
828
00:32:29.667 --> 00:32:32.458
I got on a helicopter
in New York City
829
00:32:32.542 --> 00:32:34.917
and flew to Atlantic City.
830
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.250
I had a $600,000 wire
831
00:32:37.333 --> 00:32:39.917
that was sent on my behalf,
832
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.166
and I wagered
from about 1:00 in the morning
833
00:32:43.250 --> 00:32:44.792
to 3:30.
834
00:32:44.875 --> 00:32:46.166
3:30 was always
the cutoff time
835
00:32:46.250 --> 00:32:48.333
for me to be able to get back
on a helicopter
836
00:32:48.417 --> 00:32:49.667
and fly back to the city
837
00:32:49.750 --> 00:32:52.500
to make it
to the Tribeca Radio Studios,
838
00:32:52.583 --> 00:32:53.667
where WFAN was.
839
00:32:53.750 --> 00:33:00.166
♪ ♪
840
00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:02.542
Good morning, everybody!
841
00:33:02.625 --> 00:33:05.792
6:03, Boomer Esiason,
Craig Carton,
842
00:33:05.875 --> 00:33:08.417
on The FAN.
843
00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:11.000
I didn't realize that
I was an addict at the time.
844
00:33:11.083 --> 00:33:13.125
I really loved playing,
845
00:33:13.208 --> 00:33:14.750
and I convinced myself
846
00:33:14.834 --> 00:33:16.625
you know, as long as I'm doing
a good radio show
847
00:33:16.709 --> 00:33:19.625
and we're number one
and they don't know about it,
848
00:33:19.709 --> 00:33:21.250
well, I'll just continue
to do it.
849
00:33:21.333 --> 00:33:23.208
I will give the Jets credit
for this.
850
00:33:23.291 --> 00:33:24.583
We'll start Jets,
I guess, okay?
851
00:33:24.667 --> 00:33:26.709
- All right.
- Jets are down three--
852
00:33:26.792 --> 00:33:28.500
Gambling aside,
I always got involved
853
00:33:28.583 --> 00:33:30.291
in other types of businesses.
854
00:33:30.375 --> 00:33:32.709
- Craig was one of those guys
that always had an idea.
855
00:33:32.792 --> 00:33:35.000
He always had, you know,
the next big thing.
856
00:33:35.083 --> 00:33:38.542
- I have a cologne deal.
857
00:33:38.625 --> 00:33:40.291
- You have a cologne deal.
- I have a cologne deal.
858
00:33:40.375 --> 00:33:42.875
- That's what I wanna do.
I wanna smell like Craigy.
859
00:33:42.959 --> 00:33:44.500
What's the name of it
gonna be called?
860
00:33:44.583 --> 00:33:45.500
Fart?
861
00:33:45.583 --> 00:33:47.166
- He felt
he was a businessman.
862
00:33:47.250 --> 00:33:48.750
Like, he thought he
was a real businessman,
863
00:33:48.834 --> 00:33:50.000
not just a radio personality.
864
00:33:50.083 --> 00:33:53.291
- There were a million
of these little side projects.
865
00:33:53.375 --> 00:33:56.125
- I did come up with another
genius idea this weekend.
866
00:33:56.208 --> 00:33:57.834
Junk Balm.
867
00:33:57.917 --> 00:33:59.000
- Which is, like, deodorant
868
00:33:59.083 --> 00:34:02.667
for your nether regions,
I guess.
869
00:34:02.750 --> 00:34:06.583
- Al and I always thought,
"Just do the show.
870
00:34:06.667 --> 00:34:08.917
Why do you have to do
all this other stuff?"
871
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.667
- You know, he was sort of
a serial entrepreneur.
872
00:34:11.750 --> 00:34:14.709
He had this sort of
restless spirit.
873
00:34:14.792 --> 00:34:17.834
He obviously wanted to do more
than just talk on the radio.
874
00:34:17.917 --> 00:34:20.208
- I think Craig wanted
to see himself
875
00:34:20.291 --> 00:34:23.709
as a, you know, $20 million
a year entertainer,
876
00:34:23.792 --> 00:34:24.709
where he wanted to live
877
00:34:24.792 --> 00:34:26.000
in the penthouse
in New York City,
878
00:34:26.083 --> 00:34:28.375
where he wanted his kids
to go to private school
879
00:34:28.458 --> 00:34:30.041
and he wanted to make sure
that he could drive
880
00:34:30.125 --> 00:34:32.375
around New York City
with a driver.
881
00:34:32.458 --> 00:34:34.875
At the end of the day,
he was always striving,
882
00:34:34.959 --> 00:34:38.208
you know, for the next thing,
the next big thing.
883
00:34:38.291 --> 00:34:40.834
- If I was just content
being successful
884
00:34:40.917 --> 00:34:43.875
and number one on the radio,
885
00:34:43.959 --> 00:34:45.709
well, we wouldn't
be sitting here today.
886
00:34:45.792 --> 00:34:48.583
[downbeat music]
887
00:34:48.667 --> 00:34:50.709
In May of 2016,
888
00:34:50.792 --> 00:34:53.417
I started a company
called Tier One Tickets
889
00:34:53.500 --> 00:34:55.959
to resell tickets
to concert events
890
00:34:56.041 --> 00:34:58.000
on the secondary market.
891
00:34:58.083 --> 00:35:01.417
- Talent on the radio
doesn't equal talent
892
00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:02.750
in business,
893
00:35:02.834 --> 00:35:06.750
and I think he had a hard time
understanding that.
894
00:35:06.834 --> 00:35:08.250
- I will always remember
saying to him,
895
00:35:08.333 --> 00:35:10.375
"Just keep it real, man.
Always keep it real.
896
00:35:10.458 --> 00:35:12.625
"Don't get involved
with the wrong people.
897
00:35:12.709 --> 00:35:14.250
You gotta keep it real."
898
00:35:14.333 --> 00:35:16.083
- He surrounded himself
with some real beauties.
899
00:35:16.166 --> 00:35:19.917
Joe Meli, if he was a conman,
he was a brilliant conman.
900
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:20.917
Craig said, you know,
901
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.417
"He's the smartest person
I've ever met."
902
00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:23.917
He was, you know,
the smartest person
903
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.917
in every room we were ever in.
904
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:30.333
I think he was seduced
and besotted by Meli.
905
00:35:30.417 --> 00:35:33.417
- Everybody in
that ticket reselling business
906
00:35:33.500 --> 00:35:34.750
seemed scummy to me.
907
00:35:34.834 --> 00:35:38.792
♪ ♪
908
00:35:38.875 --> 00:35:41.166
- As we started to acquire
more tickets
909
00:35:41.250 --> 00:35:42.875
and sell more tickets,
910
00:35:42.959 --> 00:35:44.792
I reached out to a hedge fund
911
00:35:44.875 --> 00:35:47.291
to loan me money personally
912
00:35:47.375 --> 00:35:49.625
so that I could buy
even more tickets.
913
00:35:49.709 --> 00:35:51.959
The hedge fund gave me
$2 million
914
00:35:52.041 --> 00:35:55.417
specifically to invest
in the purchase of tickets.
915
00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:58.000
I took $950,000 of it
916
00:35:58.083 --> 00:36:00.625
and used it
for gambling purposes.
917
00:36:00.709 --> 00:36:02.333
That was the single
biggest mistake
918
00:36:02.417 --> 00:36:03.917
I've made in my entire life.
919
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.125
It's at 2 1/2 right now.
920
00:36:06.208 --> 00:36:07.583
The "Boomer and Carton" program
does not condone
921
00:36:07.667 --> 00:36:08.792
illegal gambling.
922
00:36:08.875 --> 00:36:11.166
Bet it today
before it gets to 3.
923
00:36:11.250 --> 00:36:12.542
You don't wanna start
buying points.
924
00:36:12.625 --> 00:36:14.000
- All of us would hear him
talk about it
925
00:36:14.083 --> 00:36:15.625
both on the air
and off the air
926
00:36:15.709 --> 00:36:18.959
about what a central part
of his life gambling,
927
00:36:19.041 --> 00:36:22.500
blackjack in particular,
was becoming.
928
00:36:22.583 --> 00:36:25.000
- I think he was in Bimini,
929
00:36:25.083 --> 00:36:27.125
and he told me he had won
$2 million.
930
00:36:27.208 --> 00:36:28.625
[machine clicking]
931
00:36:28.709 --> 00:36:31.166
I said, "You're paying taxes
on that, right?"
932
00:36:31.250 --> 00:36:32.333
And he goes,
"Yeah, I gotta pay taxes."
933
00:36:32.417 --> 00:36:33.333
I said, "Fine.
934
00:36:33.417 --> 00:36:35.375
"Put half of that money away
for your kids
935
00:36:35.458 --> 00:36:37.083
"and their education.
936
00:36:37.166 --> 00:36:39.166
Don't do anything stupid
with it."
937
00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:41.667
I'll never forget
that conversation.
938
00:36:41.750 --> 00:36:44.458
And then after that,
939
00:36:44.542 --> 00:36:46.291
that's the last I heard of it.
940
00:36:46.375 --> 00:36:48.625
You know, and I had no idea
how much he was gambling.
941
00:36:48.709 --> 00:36:50.333
I had no idea
where he got the money from.
942
00:36:50.417 --> 00:36:53.041
I had no idea that anybody
was contacting him.
943
00:36:53.125 --> 00:36:54.875
- I knew Craig liked to gamble
944
00:36:54.959 --> 00:36:56.208
'cause he talked about it
on the air.
945
00:36:56.291 --> 00:36:57.875
He wrote about it in his book.
946
00:36:57.959 --> 00:36:59.542
But that doesn't mean you know
947
00:36:59.625 --> 00:37:01.709
that somebody's gambling
millions of dollars.
948
00:37:01.792 --> 00:37:04.041
- I don't think there was one
person at that station
949
00:37:04.125 --> 00:37:06.875
that had any idea
how bad it was.
950
00:37:06.959 --> 00:37:10.542
- You know, how stupid were we
to not really see
951
00:37:10.625 --> 00:37:14.625
that this guy
was sort of falling apart?
952
00:37:14.709 --> 00:37:15.583
- I got to a level
953
00:37:15.667 --> 00:37:19.041
where I'm now wagering
$125,000
954
00:37:19.125 --> 00:37:21.208
on the table to start.
955
00:37:21.291 --> 00:37:24.709
I was winning and losing
obscene amounts of money,
956
00:37:24.792 --> 00:37:27.041
and it didn't bother me.
957
00:37:27.125 --> 00:37:28.542
I just wanted to play more.
958
00:37:28.625 --> 00:37:31.542
[dramatic music]
959
00:37:31.625 --> 00:37:32.709
♪ ♪
960
00:37:32.792 --> 00:37:36.875
The worst trip was,
an investor gave $1/2 million.
961
00:37:36.959 --> 00:37:39.083
He expected a 10% return.
962
00:37:39.166 --> 00:37:41.583
Everything beyond that,
I keep.
963
00:37:41.667 --> 00:37:42.875
I was there to gamble,
964
00:37:42.959 --> 00:37:46.250
so I did it as much as I could.
965
00:37:46.333 --> 00:37:49.250
I fell asleep at the table
in the middle of a hand,
966
00:37:49.333 --> 00:37:51.375
and I remember waking up.
967
00:37:51.458 --> 00:37:54.291
I popped up and I said, "Hit,"
968
00:37:54.375 --> 00:37:56.375
and I won a $20,000 hand.
969
00:37:58.834 --> 00:38:02.583
In the first 12 hours,
I had his 550
970
00:38:02.667 --> 00:38:05.917
plus 1.5 million.
971
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.417
- There are so many incidences
972
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:10.625
where even a casino employee
says, "You're winning.
973
00:38:10.709 --> 00:38:12.041
Go home."
974
00:38:12.125 --> 00:38:13.792
- And you walk out the door
975
00:38:13.875 --> 00:38:16.458
with 1 1/2 million in profit
976
00:38:16.542 --> 00:38:18.417
that I'm keeping.
977
00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:19.625
I walked out with nothing.
978
00:38:19.709 --> 00:38:25.375
♪ ♪
979
00:38:25.458 --> 00:38:27.959
I lost the 1 1/2 million
I had won
980
00:38:28.041 --> 00:38:31.291
and I lost the 500,000
he had given me.
981
00:38:31.375 --> 00:38:33.709
So I essentially lost
$2 million
982
00:38:33.792 --> 00:38:36.166
in a 24 hour period.
983
00:38:36.250 --> 00:38:38.125
So I took a personal loan
984
00:38:38.208 --> 00:38:40.625
to pay back
the blackjack investor,
985
00:38:40.709 --> 00:38:43.333
and that's when I really
started getting in trouble.
986
00:38:43.417 --> 00:38:45.333
'Cause now you're borrowing
from other people
987
00:38:45.417 --> 00:38:47.000
to cover debts,
988
00:38:47.083 --> 00:38:50.834
and when you start going down
that slope,
989
00:38:50.917 --> 00:38:53.250
that only ends one way,
990
00:38:53.333 --> 00:38:54.625
and it's not good.
991
00:38:54.709 --> 00:38:57.750
[indistinct chatter]
992
00:38:59.917 --> 00:39:03.000
- We have this idea
that gambling is about thrill
993
00:39:03.083 --> 00:39:05.792
and risk and uncertainty,
994
00:39:05.875 --> 00:39:07.041
'cause certainly you are
995
00:39:07.125 --> 00:39:09.542
technically risking money,
right?
996
00:39:09.625 --> 00:39:12.667
But when you're actually
in the zone of gambling,
997
00:39:12.750 --> 00:39:14.041
it doesn't feel that way.
998
00:39:14.125 --> 00:39:17.041
[tense music]
999
00:39:17.125 --> 00:39:19.834
♪ ♪
1000
00:39:19.917 --> 00:39:21.500
- There was no emotion
to winning.
1001
00:39:21.583 --> 00:39:23.125
There's no emotion to losing.
1002
00:39:23.208 --> 00:39:25.959
Blackjack became an escape.
1003
00:39:26.041 --> 00:39:28.500
- They say,
"Everything in my life felt
1004
00:39:28.583 --> 00:39:30.000
"so uncertain.
1005
00:39:30.083 --> 00:39:32.333
"The one place that I
was certain about anything
1006
00:39:32.417 --> 00:39:36.041
"or that I could calm down
or get away from my anxieties
1007
00:39:36.125 --> 00:39:39.458
was when I was gambling."
1008
00:39:39.542 --> 00:39:41.583
- Gambling allowed me
to escape,
1009
00:39:41.667 --> 00:39:44.041
you know, the "demons."
1010
00:39:44.125 --> 00:39:46.583
I felt like I was kinda
in this protective bubble
1011
00:39:46.667 --> 00:39:48.875
when I played.
1012
00:39:48.959 --> 00:39:51.166
- Solitude is very important.
1013
00:39:51.250 --> 00:39:52.500
Gamblers used to tell me,
1014
00:39:52.583 --> 00:39:54.583
"I liked to go
into the corners
1015
00:39:54.667 --> 00:39:56.250
"where I could hide.
1016
00:39:56.333 --> 00:39:58.333
I felt safe."
1017
00:39:58.417 --> 00:40:00.709
He was gambling
at a high enough level
1018
00:40:00.792 --> 00:40:03.000
where the casino would cater
to his wish
1019
00:40:03.083 --> 00:40:04.750
to really be alone.
1020
00:40:04.834 --> 00:40:06.542
- I was not looking
for attention.
1021
00:40:06.625 --> 00:40:08.166
I was looking to hide.
1022
00:40:08.250 --> 00:40:12.333
And every casino in the world
would allow me to gamble alone
1023
00:40:12.417 --> 00:40:13.750
in great privacy.
1024
00:40:13.834 --> 00:40:18.417
♪ ♪
1025
00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:20.542
- The thing
is that they care more
1026
00:40:20.625 --> 00:40:23.750
about staying
in the flow of action,
1027
00:40:23.834 --> 00:40:25.542
staying in
that continuous zone,
1028
00:40:25.625 --> 00:40:27.083
than they do about winning.
1029
00:40:27.166 --> 00:40:29.583
[indistinct chatter]
1030
00:40:29.667 --> 00:40:31.875
- It was the only thing
I found in my life
1031
00:40:31.959 --> 00:40:35.291
that matched the speed
of my brain,
1032
00:40:35.375 --> 00:40:38.083
the speed of the cards
coming out.
1033
00:40:38.166 --> 00:40:41.458
I used to have
multiple tables reserved,
1034
00:40:41.542 --> 00:40:43.709
and I used to make sure
that they shuffled
1035
00:40:43.792 --> 00:40:45.625
before I sat down.
1036
00:40:45.709 --> 00:40:48.125
I couldn't wait
the five minutes
1037
00:40:48.208 --> 00:40:49.417
for the dealer to shuffle.
1038
00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:50.417
I hated it.
1039
00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:51.959
It felt like an eternity to me.
1040
00:40:52.041 --> 00:40:54.959
[dramatic music]
1041
00:40:55.041 --> 00:40:59.375
♪ ♪
1042
00:40:59.458 --> 00:41:00.625
- When somebody has a sickness
1043
00:41:00.709 --> 00:41:03.000
and somebody is wrapped up
in something
1044
00:41:03.083 --> 00:41:04.792
that you're
not really that aware of
1045
00:41:04.875 --> 00:41:06.333
and you can't
get out in front of it
1046
00:41:06.417 --> 00:41:08.834
and help that person stop,
1047
00:41:08.917 --> 00:41:11.250
there's a level of guilt
that you have as well.
1048
00:41:11.333 --> 00:41:14.291
- I was as much of an enabler
1049
00:41:14.375 --> 00:41:16.417
as anybody was.
1050
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:20.458
There was a moment
when his wife had asked me
1051
00:41:20.542 --> 00:41:22.625
to stop going with him,
1052
00:41:22.709 --> 00:41:23.959
and I just remember
looking in her eyes
1053
00:41:24.041 --> 00:41:26.250
and realizing, "All right,
you know what?
1054
00:41:26.333 --> 00:41:28.291
I got it.
I understand."
1055
00:41:28.375 --> 00:41:30.625
- I know Boomer
was concerned about it.
1056
00:41:30.709 --> 00:41:31.959
Al Dukes was concerned
about it.
1057
00:41:32.041 --> 00:41:33.458
I know there were others
who were concerned
1058
00:41:33.542 --> 00:41:34.959
about it as well.
1059
00:41:35.041 --> 00:41:37.625
I talked to him
a couple of times about it.
1060
00:41:37.709 --> 00:41:39.458
"Hey, do we have
a problem here?"
1061
00:41:39.542 --> 00:41:40.458
You know, "Do you think
1062
00:41:40.542 --> 00:41:42.083
you should be talking
to somebody?"
1063
00:41:42.166 --> 00:41:46.333
And he perpetually denied
it was ever a problem.
1064
00:41:46.417 --> 00:41:50.166
- Hiding the gambling
was so easy for me.
1065
00:41:50.250 --> 00:41:53.250
But then you start lying
about everything.
1066
00:41:53.333 --> 00:41:55.834
- With gambling,
there's no saturation point.
1067
00:41:55.917 --> 00:41:58.333
Like, you could only do
so much drugs
1068
00:41:58.417 --> 00:41:59.917
before you're gonna pass out
or die,
1069
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.500
whereas with gambling,
it's virtually unlimited,
1070
00:42:02.583 --> 00:42:04.208
so you could imagine the high.
1071
00:42:04.291 --> 00:42:07.208
♪ ♪
1072
00:42:07.291 --> 00:42:08.792
Eventually, everybody runs out
of money,
1073
00:42:08.875 --> 00:42:10.959
and then,
like a house of cards,
1074
00:42:11.041 --> 00:42:12.625
it all collapses.
1075
00:42:15.250 --> 00:42:18.166
[somber music]
1076
00:42:18.250 --> 00:42:20.834
♪ ♪
1077
00:42:20.917 --> 00:42:22.375
- Day 210.
1078
00:42:22.458 --> 00:42:28.041
♪ ♪
1079
00:42:28.125 --> 00:42:29.917
I used to make millions.
1080
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.709
Now, I get 5 bucks a month
as a prison tutor.
1081
00:42:33.792 --> 00:42:35.375
But the real currency here
1082
00:42:35.458 --> 00:42:37.792
is stamps
and packets of mackerel,
1083
00:42:37.875 --> 00:42:39.667
things other prisoners want.
1084
00:42:42.166 --> 00:42:45.250
I bought some basics
to make my own prison meals.
1085
00:42:45.333 --> 00:42:49.417
My best is Ramen
a la Carton y Pollo.
1086
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.041
It's chicken breast
and turkey log
1087
00:42:51.125 --> 00:42:53.166
with ramen noodles.
1088
00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:55.375
Now, you gotta make sure
to shake the chicken
1089
00:42:55.458 --> 00:42:58.375
in an empty Dorito bag
for extra flavor.
1090
00:42:58.458 --> 00:43:05.000
♪ ♪
1091
00:43:06.333 --> 00:43:09.875
Visiting day is the best
and the worst day of the week.
1092
00:43:09.959 --> 00:43:12.875
I live for the visits
of family and friends,
1093
00:43:12.959 --> 00:43:14.250
but it's tough when they go.
1094
00:43:14.333 --> 00:43:19.625
♪ ♪
1095
00:43:19.709 --> 00:43:22.750
Being here makes the decisions
and risks I took
1096
00:43:22.834 --> 00:43:25.458
so unfathomably stupid.
1097
00:43:25.542 --> 00:43:29.083
Why wasn't being number one
on the radio good enough?
1098
00:43:29.166 --> 00:43:31.583
Why wasn't my family
more important
1099
00:43:31.667 --> 00:43:33.709
than my selfish desires?
1100
00:43:33.792 --> 00:43:36.959
I'm trying to understand
what I was chasing
1101
00:43:37.041 --> 00:43:39.417
and why that chase
was so important.
1102
00:43:39.500 --> 00:43:43.333
♪ ♪
1103
00:43:45.792 --> 00:43:48.291
I had every single thing
you could ever want in life.
1104
00:43:48.375 --> 00:43:49.583
I made a lot of money,
1105
00:43:49.667 --> 00:43:52.083
I had a beautiful family,
great apartment,
1106
00:43:52.166 --> 00:43:55.500
but I was clearly living,
you know, kinda two lives.
1107
00:43:55.583 --> 00:43:58.792
One, the affable, outgoing
radio talk show host
1108
00:43:58.875 --> 00:44:01.333
who had achieved everything
he ever wanted in life,
1109
00:44:01.417 --> 00:44:02.417
but at the same time,
1110
00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:06.291
I had these personal demons
chasing me.
1111
00:44:06.375 --> 00:44:07.291
And that goes back
1112
00:44:07.375 --> 00:44:10.083
to, you know,
the unfortunate reality
1113
00:44:10.166 --> 00:44:14.834
of being molested as a child
at a summer camp.
1114
00:44:14.917 --> 00:44:17.291
I was abused every night
for eight weeks,
1115
00:44:17.375 --> 00:44:18.333
something I withheld
1116
00:44:18.417 --> 00:44:21.625
for more than 30 years
of my life.
1117
00:44:21.709 --> 00:44:23.959
I still had shame over it.
1118
00:44:24.041 --> 00:44:27.333
You know, it still haunted me
and bothered me.
1119
00:44:27.417 --> 00:44:30.291
I was never living
a full life emotionally,
1120
00:44:30.375 --> 00:44:34.333
'cause I had this secret
which gnawed at me.
1121
00:44:34.417 --> 00:44:38.000
I wish I had been strong enough
much earlier in my life
1122
00:44:38.083 --> 00:44:41.291
to tell people.
1123
00:44:41.375 --> 00:44:44.875
You know,
I wasn't able to do that.
1124
00:44:44.959 --> 00:44:46.542
The first time
I wanted to put it out
1125
00:44:46.625 --> 00:44:48.750
was when I wrote
my book, "Loudmouth,"
1126
00:44:48.834 --> 00:44:51.000
and I wrote a chapter on it.
1127
00:44:51.083 --> 00:44:53.667
Simon & Schuster
actually made the decision
1128
00:44:53.750 --> 00:44:55.792
that I shouldn't put it
in the book
1129
00:44:55.875 --> 00:44:57.792
because the rest of the book is
1130
00:44:57.875 --> 00:45:00.834
hijinks and laughter
and fun stuff.
1131
00:45:00.917 --> 00:45:04.333
So I regrettably took it
out of the book.
1132
00:45:04.417 --> 00:45:06.458
I still read it now and then.
1133
00:45:09.208 --> 00:45:10.125
So you want me
to just read it, or...
1134
00:45:10.208 --> 00:45:11.208
- Yeah.
1135
00:45:57.500 --> 00:45:59.291
"And I never cried again
1136
00:45:59.375 --> 00:46:02.291
and haven't cried once
since that night."
1137
00:46:02.375 --> 00:46:07.959
♪ ♪
1138
00:46:08.041 --> 00:46:10.041
- Sexual abuse
is obviously something
1139
00:46:10.125 --> 00:46:13.166
that he hid
deep inside himself.
1140
00:46:13.250 --> 00:46:16.041
And I don't know who knew,
but I could tell you I didn't.
1141
00:46:16.125 --> 00:46:17.291
He never talked to me about it.
1142
00:46:17.375 --> 00:46:20.083
- He never, ever shared
1143
00:46:20.166 --> 00:46:21.458
the most intimate details
1144
00:46:21.542 --> 00:46:23.458
of that part of his life
when he was a child.
1145
00:46:23.542 --> 00:46:27.083
- I found that out
just this year.
1146
00:46:27.166 --> 00:46:28.959
- Obviously, Sandusky's
the bad guy here.
1147
00:46:29.041 --> 00:46:31.083
He's, you know,
the Big Bad Wolf,
1148
00:46:31.166 --> 00:46:33.709
but the reality is that
Joe Paterno is the godfather
1149
00:46:33.792 --> 00:46:35.125
of everything
in Penn State.
1150
00:46:35.208 --> 00:46:38.792
The worst moment for me
in not coming forward was
1151
00:46:38.875 --> 00:46:40.834
being on the radio
1152
00:46:40.917 --> 00:46:44.750
during the whole Jerry Sandusky
situation at Penn State.
1153
00:46:44.834 --> 00:46:48.959
This is a predator, a hunter,
of young boys
1154
00:46:49.041 --> 00:46:51.125
who did
the most despicable thing
1155
00:46:51.208 --> 00:46:53.083
you could ever do to a child,
1156
00:46:53.166 --> 00:46:56.208
and the guy that was in charge
of everything at Penn State
1157
00:46:56.291 --> 00:46:58.125
allowed it to go on
1158
00:46:58.208 --> 00:47:00.125
without thinking twice
about it.
1159
00:47:00.208 --> 00:47:02.333
- I had never seen him
1160
00:47:02.417 --> 00:47:06.792
react to something
so viciously.
1161
00:47:06.875 --> 00:47:08.792
- Here's a man that was told
1162
00:47:08.875 --> 00:47:12.125
that a 10-year-old boy
was being sodomized
1163
00:47:12.208 --> 00:47:13.959
in his backyard
1164
00:47:14.041 --> 00:47:15.792
and did nothing about it.
1165
00:47:15.875 --> 00:47:17.208
- And I now think
1166
00:47:17.291 --> 00:47:19.834
that all the things
that he has been through,
1167
00:47:19.917 --> 00:47:21.375
the way that he is,
1168
00:47:21.458 --> 00:47:23.166
obviously stems
from some of the things
1169
00:47:23.250 --> 00:47:25.041
that happened
while he was in camp.
1170
00:47:25.125 --> 00:47:28.333
♪ ♪
1171
00:47:28.417 --> 00:47:30.959
- From the minute I decided
not to share
1172
00:47:31.041 --> 00:47:33.500
being molested at summer camp,
1173
00:47:33.583 --> 00:47:35.959
I became good at lying.
1174
00:47:36.041 --> 00:47:38.166
Because your...
1175
00:47:38.250 --> 00:47:40.542
all your emotions are now lies.
1176
00:47:40.625 --> 00:47:42.542
'Cause you're protecting
how you really feel.
1177
00:47:45.417 --> 00:47:48.709
You build up
these defense mechanisms,
1178
00:47:48.792 --> 00:47:52.250
really, as a way
just to get through life.
1179
00:47:52.333 --> 00:47:55.333
Ultimately, I transferred that
1180
00:47:55.417 --> 00:47:58.709
into lying about gambling,
1181
00:47:58.792 --> 00:48:00.375
and they're
very much connected.
1182
00:48:00.458 --> 00:48:03.750
♪ ♪
1183
00:48:03.834 --> 00:48:05.792
- When you have trauma issues
that are unresolved
1184
00:48:05.875 --> 00:48:08.083
and you're having
these big wins,
1185
00:48:08.166 --> 00:48:11.041
it makes you really forget
about that trauma.
1186
00:48:11.125 --> 00:48:12.709
Gambling is one
of the perfect drugs.
1187
00:48:12.792 --> 00:48:14.875
It almost always works.
1188
00:48:14.959 --> 00:48:21.959
♪ ♪
1189
00:48:23.458 --> 00:48:25.542
- Which number will be higher?
1190
00:48:25.625 --> 00:48:29.208
Rangers' shots on goal
tomorrow night
1191
00:48:29.291 --> 00:48:32.375
or Carmelo Anthony points
tonight?
1192
00:48:32.458 --> 00:48:35.542
- Rangers' shots on goal.
- I will take Carmelo.
1193
00:48:35.625 --> 00:48:37.709
We got a hundy on that though.
We shook like men.
1194
00:48:37.792 --> 00:48:38.875
You wanna pinky swear
like men too?
1195
00:48:38.959 --> 00:48:40.083
- I'm not gonna
pinky swear anything.
1196
00:48:40.166 --> 00:48:41.583
- Well, I'm just saying.
- I shook your hand.
1197
00:48:41.667 --> 00:48:43.333
- It made sense to me
at the time,
1198
00:48:43.417 --> 00:48:46.417
but the very first loan I took
to gamble with,
1199
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:49.583
it's immediately wrong
and out of control.
1200
00:48:49.667 --> 00:48:51.583
If you lose their money,
1201
00:48:51.667 --> 00:48:54.125
you have to pay them back
out of your money
1202
00:48:54.208 --> 00:48:55.458
with interest.
1203
00:48:55.542 --> 00:48:58.834
If you add up all the loans
over a couple of years,
1204
00:48:58.917 --> 00:49:02.750
I borrowed over $30 million
to gamble with.
1205
00:49:02.834 --> 00:49:04.458
In 2017,
1206
00:49:04.542 --> 00:49:07.875
I was the net loser
of a couple million dollars.
1207
00:49:07.959 --> 00:49:11.542
I had to cover
the losses personally.
1208
00:49:11.625 --> 00:49:14.083
- The amazing thing
about Craig
1209
00:49:14.166 --> 00:49:18.083
and one of the reasons
we were all sort of blindsided
1210
00:49:18.166 --> 00:49:21.750
is that when the light came on,
he was ready to go
1211
00:49:21.834 --> 00:49:24.083
and still performing
at his best.
1212
00:49:24.166 --> 00:49:25.125
- Now I'm sure, guy,
1213
00:49:25.208 --> 00:49:27.000
your intellect
is probably illiterate,
1214
00:49:27.083 --> 00:49:28.959
so I read the newspaper
for you.
1215
00:49:29.041 --> 00:49:30.792
- He was the mailman.
That guy delivered.
1216
00:49:30.875 --> 00:49:32.166
No matter what was going on
around him,
1217
00:49:32.250 --> 00:49:36.166
he could block it out
and just zoom in on that camera
1218
00:49:36.250 --> 00:49:37.750
and capture that audience.
1219
00:49:37.834 --> 00:49:39.500
- What do you have a thing for?
1220
00:49:39.583 --> 00:49:41.125
- Lasagna.
- Okay.
1221
00:49:41.208 --> 00:49:42.250
- Yes.
- Good. Nice.
1222
00:49:42.333 --> 00:49:44.291
- And I will admit,
1223
00:49:44.375 --> 00:49:47.166
hot chicks in nothing at all
but football jerseys
1224
00:49:47.250 --> 00:49:49.500
and me pouring barbecue sauce
all over them
1225
00:49:49.583 --> 00:49:51.417
and working them like a rib.
1226
00:49:51.500 --> 00:49:53.583
But that's me, Boomer.
That's my fetish.
1227
00:49:53.667 --> 00:49:55.291
- It is absolutely shocking
to me
1228
00:49:55.375 --> 00:49:58.792
that he was able to come in
and do radio shows.
1229
00:49:58.875 --> 00:50:00.542
I can't imagine
the stress he was under.
1230
00:50:00.625 --> 00:50:02.792
- All hail the king!
1231
00:50:02.875 --> 00:50:04.458
- Even though you knew
there had to be bad,
1232
00:50:04.542 --> 00:50:06.291
you never saw it.
1233
00:50:06.375 --> 00:50:08.709
He was a master of disguise
in that manner.
1234
00:50:10.959 --> 00:50:14.667
- Part of the appeal of Craig
and the tragic nature of Craig
1235
00:50:14.750 --> 00:50:17.959
is that, you know, he manages
to screw things up for himself
1236
00:50:18.041 --> 00:50:19.834
even when things are going
really well.
1237
00:50:19.917 --> 00:50:23.250
Self-sabotage, it's like
it's part of his arsenal.
1238
00:50:24.917 --> 00:50:27.333
- There was one time
that he had called me
1239
00:50:27.417 --> 00:50:29.625
to meet at the Greek downtown.
1240
00:50:29.709 --> 00:50:31.875
He started rambling on
about this pitch
1241
00:50:31.959 --> 00:50:35.166
and, you know, tickets,
and, you know, investment
1242
00:50:35.250 --> 00:50:38.834
and this business that made
no sense whatsoever to me,
1243
00:50:38.917 --> 00:50:40.834
and at that moment,
1244
00:50:40.917 --> 00:50:43.166
I said to myself, "Hmm.
1245
00:50:43.250 --> 00:50:45.583
"Something bad
is going on here.
1246
00:50:45.667 --> 00:50:47.709
He's in trouble."
1247
00:50:47.792 --> 00:50:50.083
- And then a guy
that I've partnered with
1248
00:50:50.166 --> 00:50:54.166
in a ticket business
gets arrested by the FBI.
1249
00:50:54.875 --> 00:50:58.333
- We investigated Joe Meli
for some illegal activity
1250
00:50:58.417 --> 00:51:01.250
around secondary market sales
of tickets,
1251
00:51:01.333 --> 00:51:02.875
and in the course
of that investigation,
1252
00:51:02.959 --> 00:51:06.041
we saw some communications
and some financial transactions
1253
00:51:06.125 --> 00:51:08.083
that he had with Craig Carton,
1254
00:51:08.166 --> 00:51:10.041
and so as we began
to look into Mr. Meli,
1255
00:51:10.125 --> 00:51:12.375
we started to look
into Mr. Carton's activity
1256
00:51:12.458 --> 00:51:13.750
as well.
1257
00:51:13.834 --> 00:51:16.041
- The FBI picked up Joe Meli,
1258
00:51:16.125 --> 00:51:18.000
and once Craig got wind
of the story,
1259
00:51:18.083 --> 00:51:19.542
he started to talk to me
more and more about,
1260
00:51:19.625 --> 00:51:20.834
"I can't believe
this is happening.
1261
00:51:20.917 --> 00:51:22.417
"How come nobody told me
this guy was no good?
1262
00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:24.375
I can't believe
I'm wrapped up in this."
1263
00:51:24.458 --> 00:51:27.041
- Ultimately,
what Craig did was
1264
00:51:27.125 --> 00:51:30.291
defraud a hedge fund of money
that they invested
1265
00:51:30.375 --> 00:51:32.750
in what they thought
was legitimate business.
1266
00:51:32.834 --> 00:51:35.083
- What he actually used
the funds for was to pay off
1267
00:51:35.166 --> 00:51:38.291
old investors in some
of these other similar schemes
1268
00:51:38.375 --> 00:51:41.500
and to repay debts,
particularly gambling debts.
1269
00:51:41.583 --> 00:51:43.458
- The one thing I'm guilty of
1270
00:51:43.542 --> 00:51:46.750
is misappropriating
the hedge fund's money.
1271
00:51:46.834 --> 00:51:47.917
I spent their money
1272
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.417
five weeks before the money
should've been spent.
1273
00:51:51.500 --> 00:51:54.125
Now, I still bought everything
they expected me to buy,
1274
00:51:54.208 --> 00:51:56.750
but still,
the timing of when I did it
1275
00:51:56.834 --> 00:51:57.792
is illegal.
1276
00:51:57.875 --> 00:51:59.375
- You can't take money
for one purpose
1277
00:51:59.458 --> 00:52:02.959
and use it for another
in business.
1278
00:52:06.709 --> 00:52:10.750
- It's mentally draining
to live life,
1279
00:52:10.834 --> 00:52:13.583
and then live a secret life
1280
00:52:13.667 --> 00:52:17.792
and to mentally process
all the lies you've told.
1281
00:52:17.875 --> 00:52:19.166
Clearly, the amount of crap
1282
00:52:19.250 --> 00:52:21.917
going on inside my head
was overwhelming.
1283
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.792
I've got my gambling crap
over here,
1284
00:52:24.875 --> 00:52:27.500
I've got my work
responsibilities here,
1285
00:52:27.583 --> 00:52:30.291
I've got my family
responsibilities here,
1286
00:52:30.375 --> 00:52:32.667
and now I'm juggling,
1287
00:52:32.750 --> 00:52:35.667
and I'm juggling
on a high wire.
1288
00:52:35.750 --> 00:52:39.083
Because now I'm worried,
"They arrested this guy.
1289
00:52:39.166 --> 00:52:40.750
"They're gonna come talk to me
at some point.
1290
00:52:40.834 --> 00:52:42.125
We did business together."
1291
00:52:42.208 --> 00:52:43.667
I was mentally drained.
1292
00:52:43.750 --> 00:52:48.417
♪ ♪
1293
00:52:48.500 --> 00:52:51.542
My wife and I went to Whistler,
British Columbia,
1294
00:52:51.625 --> 00:52:55.208
for just an adult vacation.
1295
00:52:55.291 --> 00:52:56.709
So I get on the lift
1296
00:52:56.792 --> 00:52:58.208
and I took it
to the top of the mountain
1297
00:52:58.291 --> 00:53:00.667
and I'm kinda admiring
the scenery on the way up.
1298
00:53:00.750 --> 00:53:03.166
It's a beautiful place.
1299
00:53:03.250 --> 00:53:05.583
I eat lunch,
I have a couple drinks,
1300
00:53:05.667 --> 00:53:07.709
and after about an hour or so,
1301
00:53:07.792 --> 00:53:09.542
I decide it's time
to go back down.
1302
00:53:09.625 --> 00:53:13.166
I'm gonna meet my wife.
1303
00:53:13.250 --> 00:53:15.875
So I get on the lift chair
by myself,
1304
00:53:15.959 --> 00:53:18.291
and as I'm going down,
1305
00:53:18.375 --> 00:53:22.500
I now have a desire to jump...
1306
00:53:22.583 --> 00:53:25.000
off the lift chair,
down to the mountain.
1307
00:53:25.083 --> 00:53:28.000
[ominous music]
1308
00:53:28.083 --> 00:53:31.500
♪ ♪
1309
00:53:31.583 --> 00:53:33.750
I lifted the bar up
1310
00:53:33.834 --> 00:53:36.458
and I'm now inching closer
to the edge of the seat.
1311
00:53:38.959 --> 00:53:41.208
And I got very upset.
1312
00:53:41.291 --> 00:53:42.709
I started crying,
1313
00:53:42.792 --> 00:53:45.667
and I had this...
1314
00:53:45.750 --> 00:53:48.875
out loud conversation
with myself.
1315
00:53:48.959 --> 00:53:51.041
And I'm tell--"Don't do it.
Don't do it.
1316
00:53:51.125 --> 00:53:54.041
You're better than this.
You're not jumping."
1317
00:53:54.125 --> 00:53:56.333
And as I'm telling myself
not to do it,
1318
00:53:56.417 --> 00:54:00.250
I'm inching closer and closer
to the edge of the seat,
1319
00:54:00.333 --> 00:54:01.250
'cause I'm going.
1320
00:54:01.333 --> 00:54:03.083
There's no doubt in my mind,
1321
00:54:03.166 --> 00:54:04.834
I'm jumping off this chairlift.
1322
00:54:04.917 --> 00:54:05.917
It's just a matter of when.
1323
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:12.417
♪ ♪
1324
00:54:12.500 --> 00:54:14.875
Fortunately, I had my phone
with me.
1325
00:54:14.959 --> 00:54:17.125
And I just called the first
person whose name I saw
1326
00:54:17.208 --> 00:54:20.125
that I knew was a friend.
1327
00:54:20.208 --> 00:54:22.208
- I'm just going about my day.
1328
00:54:22.291 --> 00:54:24.917
I get a phone call from Craig.
1329
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.750
I didn't understand, really,
what he was saying.
1330
00:54:26.834 --> 00:54:29.750
He was outta control,
inconsolable.
1331
00:54:29.834 --> 00:54:33.083
He was truly in
a desperate situation.
1332
00:54:33.166 --> 00:54:35.625
- And I said, "I need you
to just talk to me.
1333
00:54:35.709 --> 00:54:37.250
"I'm gonna hurt myself.
1334
00:54:37.333 --> 00:54:39.458
I'm about to jump
off a chairlift."
1335
00:54:39.542 --> 00:54:41.000
And I'm crying.
1336
00:54:43.875 --> 00:54:45.458
- Really, it was only
maybe five seconds
1337
00:54:45.542 --> 00:54:48.959
before I went from him kidding
to "This is actually real."
1338
00:54:49.041 --> 00:54:53.083
♪ ♪
1339
00:54:53.166 --> 00:54:54.583
- He talked.
1340
00:54:54.667 --> 00:54:58.125
He talked to me
for however long it was.
1341
00:54:58.208 --> 00:54:59.125
- So all I could say
1342
00:54:59.208 --> 00:55:00.125
at that point was,
"I love you."
1343
00:55:00.208 --> 00:55:01.125
"Listen, I love you.
1344
00:55:01.208 --> 00:55:02.208
"You're gonna make it
to the bottom.
1345
00:55:02.291 --> 00:55:03.333
"You're gonna get to the bottom
of this thing.
1346
00:55:03.417 --> 00:55:07.250
You're not gonna jump."
1347
00:55:07.333 --> 00:55:09.834
And slowly but surely,
the yelling stopped
1348
00:55:09.917 --> 00:55:11.667
and the breathing started
to slow down.
1349
00:55:11.750 --> 00:55:13.625
I just kinda coaxed him down
for the last few bits.
1350
00:55:13.709 --> 00:55:16.500
[soft music]
1351
00:55:16.583 --> 00:55:18.959
And the crazy part
about it is,
1352
00:55:19.041 --> 00:55:21.083
just as he gets off
of the ski lift...
1353
00:55:21.166 --> 00:55:22.291
- I said, "Go eff yourself.
1354
00:55:22.375 --> 00:55:23.750
I'll talk to you
about this later."
1355
00:55:23.834 --> 00:55:24.792
- Click, and just hangs up,
1356
00:55:24.875 --> 00:55:28.792
and I was like,
"Oh, uh, that's it."
1357
00:55:28.875 --> 00:55:31.834
He needed me, I was there,
1358
00:55:31.917 --> 00:55:33.375
and then on to the next.
1359
00:55:36.041 --> 00:55:38.667
- Thankfully, I haven't
felt that way since.
1360
00:55:38.750 --> 00:55:40.709
But I absolutely
was gonna jump.
1361
00:55:40.792 --> 00:55:44.166
There was no doubt about it.
1362
00:55:44.250 --> 00:55:47.208
[tense music]
1363
00:55:47.291 --> 00:55:53.041
♪ ♪
1364
00:55:53.125 --> 00:55:55.959
The morning
of September 6, 2017,
1365
00:55:56.041 --> 00:55:57.542
that was our first night ever
1366
00:55:57.625 --> 00:56:00.875
living in this new apartment
we had moved into.
1367
00:56:00.959 --> 00:56:02.792
I got up at 3:00
in the morning.
1368
00:56:02.875 --> 00:56:06.625
I called Uber
to take me to work.
1369
00:56:06.709 --> 00:56:08.375
I walked out of the apartment.
1370
00:56:08.458 --> 00:56:11.000
There was a woman
coming up the stairs,
1371
00:56:11.083 --> 00:56:13.458
and she immediately said,
"Are you Craig Carton?"
1372
00:56:13.542 --> 00:56:14.709
"Yes, I am."
1373
00:56:14.792 --> 00:56:16.750
"FBI.
You're under arrest."
1374
00:56:19.083 --> 00:56:23.542
That was my
"day of reckoning."
1375
00:56:23.625 --> 00:56:25.417
I was immediately cuffed.
1376
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:27.875
Then they brought me
to the park bench
1377
00:56:27.959 --> 00:56:31.000
and told me to call my wife.
1378
00:56:31.083 --> 00:56:32.417
I woke her up.
1379
00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:33.834
You know,
probably the worst phone call
1380
00:56:33.917 --> 00:56:35.375
I ever had to make.
1381
00:56:35.458 --> 00:56:37.375
And when she came down,
she had this terrible look
1382
00:56:37.458 --> 00:56:41.041
of, you know, sadness
on her face and bewilderment.
1383
00:56:41.125 --> 00:56:43.875
It's still dark outside,
1384
00:56:43.959 --> 00:56:47.041
and I'm sitting there
handcuffed to a park bench
1385
00:56:47.125 --> 00:56:49.750
surrounded by FBI agents.
1386
00:56:49.834 --> 00:56:54.542
♪ ♪
1387
00:56:54.625 --> 00:56:58.166
- I drive in with Jerry Recco
on a lot of days.
1388
00:56:58.250 --> 00:57:02.083
We had just parked the car,
and my phone rings.
1389
00:57:02.166 --> 00:57:04.458
It was Craig's wife, Kim.
1390
00:57:04.542 --> 00:57:05.625
- And I remember him
looking at it,
1391
00:57:05.709 --> 00:57:08.291
looking at me, and saying,
"This isn't good."
1392
00:57:08.375 --> 00:57:11.875
- Kim said, "Al,
Craig will not be in today."
1393
00:57:11.959 --> 00:57:13.333
I said, "Okay."
1394
00:57:13.417 --> 00:57:14.917
I said, "Is everything okay?"
1395
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.625
She said, "No, but I can't talk
to you right now about it."
1396
00:57:18.709 --> 00:57:20.458
- "Something's going on,
Craig's not coming in,
1397
00:57:20.542 --> 00:57:21.583
so you have to host."
1398
00:57:21.667 --> 00:57:22.625
That was it.
1399
00:57:22.709 --> 00:57:23.750
"Okay.
That's fine.
1400
00:57:23.834 --> 00:57:24.792
"Maybe they had an argument.
1401
00:57:24.875 --> 00:57:26.458
Maybe one of the kids
was sick."
1402
00:57:26.542 --> 00:57:28.750
Never thought anything of it
other than, "Ugh,
1403
00:57:28.834 --> 00:57:30.125
now I gotta go in there
for four hours,"
1404
00:57:30.208 --> 00:57:31.375
really unprepared.
1405
00:57:31.458 --> 00:57:34.875
♪ ♪
1406
00:57:34.959 --> 00:57:38.250
- It's only a little bit
after 4:00 in the morning now,
1407
00:57:38.333 --> 00:57:39.500
so there's no traffic,
1408
00:57:39.583 --> 00:57:41.125
there's no hustle and bustle
yet of New York.
1409
00:57:41.208 --> 00:57:48.166
♪ ♪
1410
00:57:48.250 --> 00:57:49.417
- There were two young agents.
1411
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:51.583
One of them made a point
of telling me
1412
00:57:51.667 --> 00:57:53.625
how big a fan he was of mine,
1413
00:57:53.709 --> 00:57:55.792
and this was kind of
a surreal moment for him.
1414
00:57:55.875 --> 00:57:59.125
- He was, you know, shocked
a little bit at first,
1415
00:57:59.208 --> 00:58:01.458
but he was, you know, very calm
1416
00:58:01.542 --> 00:58:03.792
and he was actually
very respectful as well.
1417
00:58:03.875 --> 00:58:05.458
He did say to the agents
at one point,
1418
00:58:05.542 --> 00:58:07.417
"I just want you guys to know
that I respect you
1419
00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:10.792
and I respect what you do."
1420
00:58:10.875 --> 00:58:13.583
- They drove me
to Federal Plaza,
1421
00:58:13.667 --> 00:58:16.291
and there was a guard
in the guard tower,
1422
00:58:16.375 --> 00:58:18.250
and it was the first time
I ever heard myself
1423
00:58:18.333 --> 00:58:21.333
being referred to
as a criminal.
1424
00:58:21.417 --> 00:58:22.959
They were very nonchalant.
1425
00:58:23.041 --> 00:58:25.458
"Hey, we got one criminal
in the back."
1426
00:58:28.250 --> 00:58:30.834
- All righty.
Here we are.
1427
00:58:30.917 --> 00:58:33.792
Al Dukes comes to me and says,
"Kim just called.
1428
00:58:33.875 --> 00:58:35.333
Craig's not coming in today."
1429
00:58:35.417 --> 00:58:38.792
♪ ♪
1430
00:58:38.875 --> 00:58:41.291
- As the morning show
was getting close to 6:00,
1431
00:58:41.375 --> 00:58:42.625
Craig wasn't there.
1432
00:58:42.709 --> 00:58:45.250
He had appeared to be
under the weather
1433
00:58:45.333 --> 00:58:48.291
for a few days before
and sluggish.
1434
00:58:48.375 --> 00:58:50.667
- He was a little edgy
the day before.
1435
00:58:50.750 --> 00:58:53.166
He was actually even,
I believe, sleeping
1436
00:58:53.250 --> 00:58:56.500
in between, you know,
some of our commercial breaks.
1437
00:58:56.583 --> 00:58:57.917
I figured
there was something wrong,
1438
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.166
but I had no idea what it was.
1439
00:59:01.250 --> 00:59:03.375
- WFAN-FM, New York.
1440
00:59:03.458 --> 00:59:05.834
It's "Boomer and Carton"
on The FAN.
1441
00:59:05.917 --> 00:59:10.125
- September 6, 2017,
was my 55th birthday.
1442
00:59:11.417 --> 00:59:15.291
And I flipped on
"Boomer and Carton"
1443
00:59:15.375 --> 00:59:16.875
and only saw Boomer.
1444
00:59:16.959 --> 00:59:19.500
- I remember
opening the show as,
1445
00:59:19.583 --> 00:59:21.500
"Numb Nuts is not here today."
1446
00:59:21.583 --> 00:59:23.542
If you hear me
starting the show,
1447
00:59:23.625 --> 00:59:25.417
that means Numb Nuts
is under the weather.
1448
00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:27.000
- [laughs]
- And he's not here.
1449
00:59:27.083 --> 00:59:28.208
- And it was pretty clear
to me
1450
00:59:28.291 --> 00:59:30.625
that they didn't know
why Craig wasn't there.
1451
00:59:33.500 --> 00:59:36.375
- They brought me
into a very small office room
1452
00:59:36.458 --> 00:59:38.375
and then cuffed me
to something
1453
00:59:38.458 --> 00:59:39.709
on the side of the wall,
1454
00:59:39.792 --> 00:59:41.875
and I was sitting
at a table basically
1455
00:59:41.959 --> 00:59:43.542
for the next four hours.
1456
00:59:43.625 --> 00:59:48.083
- We don't handle celebrities
or people of any notability
1457
00:59:48.166 --> 00:59:49.625
any different
than anyone else we arrest.
1458
00:59:49.709 --> 00:59:51.250
If you're being arrested
by the FBI,
1459
00:59:51.333 --> 00:59:52.458
you're being arrested
by the FBI
1460
00:59:52.542 --> 00:59:54.750
because you committed
a federal crime.
1461
00:59:54.834 --> 00:59:55.917
He definitely was not
1462
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:57.750
the Craig Carton you heard
on the radio though.
1463
00:59:57.834 --> 00:59:58.750
He didn't have
1464
00:59:58.834 --> 01:00:00.542
that brash personality
that day.
1465
01:00:00.625 --> 01:00:02.750
- They brought me, like,
a snack bar or something to eat
1466
01:00:02.834 --> 01:00:04.083
and a soda,
1467
01:00:04.166 --> 01:00:07.250
and then
press release went out.
1468
01:00:07.333 --> 01:00:10.625
- And it was probably
in the 7:00 hour
1469
01:00:10.709 --> 01:00:12.083
when I started to see
1470
01:00:12.166 --> 01:00:14.583
the alerts come across
on Twitter
1471
01:00:14.667 --> 01:00:16.917
that Craig had been arrested.
1472
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:20.083
Most of us thought
it was something...
1473
01:00:20.166 --> 01:00:22.959
smoking pot, maybe a DUI.
1474
01:00:23.041 --> 01:00:26.750
- It was about an hour later
that it comes out
1475
01:00:26.834 --> 01:00:30.583
that he was arrested
by the FBI.
1476
01:00:30.667 --> 01:00:31.875
Boom.
1477
01:00:31.959 --> 01:00:34.458
- "Boomer and Carton" cohost
Craig Carton was arrested
1478
01:00:34.542 --> 01:00:36.000
at his home on federal charges
1479
01:00:36.083 --> 01:00:38.667
related to white-collar crime
early this morning.
1480
01:00:38.750 --> 01:00:42.000
It's unclear
what those charges are.
1481
01:00:42.083 --> 01:00:44.250
- I called Al Dukes
1482
01:00:44.333 --> 01:00:46.709
and I said,
"Al, what is going on?"
1483
01:00:46.792 --> 01:00:49.291
And he said,
"The FBI arrested him."
1484
01:00:49.375 --> 01:00:50.542
And I said, "For what?"
1485
01:00:50.625 --> 01:00:52.625
And he said, "I have no idea."
1486
01:00:52.709 --> 01:00:54.625
- All right, it's 7:36
on The FAN.
1487
01:00:54.709 --> 01:00:55.917
"Boomer and Carton"
in the morning.
1488
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:57.792
Jerry Recco sitting
in the power chair this morning
1489
01:00:57.875 --> 01:00:58.792
for Craigy.
1490
01:00:58.875 --> 01:01:00.041
- I was stunned,
1491
01:01:00.125 --> 01:01:01.458
and you start to think, like,
1492
01:01:01.542 --> 01:01:03.125
"What has he gotten
himself into?"
1493
01:01:03.208 --> 01:01:04.417
- [laughs]
1494
01:01:04.500 --> 01:01:06.125
Mark Chernoff,
our program director,
1495
01:01:06.208 --> 01:01:08.291
comes running into the studio
and says, "Don't say anything!
1496
01:01:08.375 --> 01:01:10.500
Don't say anything!"
1497
01:01:10.583 --> 01:01:12.625
And I'm like,
"Don't say anything?
1498
01:01:12.709 --> 01:01:14.000
"I mean, we're a talk show,
1499
01:01:14.083 --> 01:01:16.834
"and the talk show host
that is not here
1500
01:01:16.917 --> 01:01:19.333
"is arrested by the FBI,
for Christ's sake.
1501
01:01:19.417 --> 01:01:21.500
What am I supposed to say?"
1502
01:01:21.583 --> 01:01:23.417
- All right,
top of the hour, 9:00.
1503
01:01:23.500 --> 01:01:25.375
"Boomer and Carton"
on The FAN.
1504
01:01:25.458 --> 01:01:26.709
I am sitting in for Craig
1505
01:01:26.792 --> 01:01:28.500
and Boomer will be back
in just a moment.
1506
01:01:28.583 --> 01:01:29.792
We got a lot going on.
1507
01:01:29.875 --> 01:01:31.333
- Radio's an interesting thing
1508
01:01:31.417 --> 01:01:34.000
in that it doesn't stop
for anything.
1509
01:01:34.083 --> 01:01:37.000
You kinda have to roll
with the changes.
1510
01:01:37.083 --> 01:01:38.166
- And I gotta look
in the camera
1511
01:01:38.250 --> 01:01:40.208
and I gotta say, "Well...
1512
01:01:40.291 --> 01:01:42.333
"now I know why my partner's
not here this morning.
1513
01:01:42.417 --> 01:01:44.500
He's been arrested by the FBI."
1514
01:01:44.583 --> 01:01:46.834
I am aware, now, why Craig
is not here this morning.
1515
01:01:46.917 --> 01:01:50.000
Unfortunately, he was arrested
this morning.
1516
01:01:50.083 --> 01:01:52.875
Over here at the station,
they're aware of it as well.
1517
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.542
They're cooperating
with authorities.
1518
01:01:55.625 --> 01:01:58.083
I'm taken aback
and surprised by it,
1519
01:01:58.166 --> 01:01:59.959
just like I'm sure
everybody else is.
1520
01:02:00.041 --> 01:02:02.417
I have no other information.
There's nothing else I can say.
1521
01:02:02.500 --> 01:02:04.583
I thought he called in sick
this morning,
1522
01:02:04.667 --> 01:02:06.959
but unfortunately,
my partner was arrested,
1523
01:02:07.041 --> 01:02:10.041
so I guess there'll be
more news to come, I'm sure,
1524
01:02:10.125 --> 01:02:11.083
from somewhere.
1525
01:02:11.166 --> 01:02:12.875
"But at this moment,
I'm as shocked
1526
01:02:12.959 --> 01:02:14.208
as everybody else."
1527
01:02:14.291 --> 01:02:16.333
Because I was.
1528
01:02:16.417 --> 01:02:17.834
And not only shocked.
1529
01:02:17.917 --> 01:02:18.875
I was angry.
1530
01:02:18.959 --> 01:02:21.542
I was brokenhearted
over the whole thing.
1531
01:02:21.625 --> 01:02:28.375
♪ ♪
1532
01:02:28.458 --> 01:02:31.041
- And then it all started
clicking into place
1533
01:02:31.125 --> 01:02:33.875
that he was doing
the old shell game,
1534
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.959
just pay off
the gambling debts.
1535
01:02:37.041 --> 01:02:38.375
- The formal charges
that were brought
1536
01:02:38.458 --> 01:02:40.625
were securities fraud,
wire fraud,
1537
01:02:40.709 --> 01:02:43.083
and then conspiracy
to commit those offenses.
1538
01:02:43.166 --> 01:02:44.917
Basically, that just means
he lied to people
1539
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.875
to solicit funds from them
and did that with other people.
1540
01:02:48.959 --> 01:02:51.417
- Shortly after that,
I was in front of a judge.
1541
01:02:51.500 --> 01:02:52.750
It's surreal.
1542
01:02:52.834 --> 01:02:54.542
Like, this can't
possibly be happening.
1543
01:02:54.625 --> 01:02:58.583
♪ ♪
1544
01:02:58.667 --> 01:02:59.959
You know,
the courtroom was packed,
1545
01:03:00.041 --> 01:03:01.583
and it's all media.
1546
01:03:01.667 --> 01:03:04.083
The judge made
a wisecrack about,
1547
01:03:04.166 --> 01:03:05.750
"Apparently, there's a lot
of sports fans
1548
01:03:05.834 --> 01:03:06.792
here in the building today."
1549
01:03:06.875 --> 01:03:12.291
♪ ♪
1550
01:03:12.375 --> 01:03:15.917
I remember seeing my wife,
my brother.
1551
01:03:16.041 --> 01:03:17.792
That was very upsetting to me,
1552
01:03:17.875 --> 01:03:19.959
to see people I loved
and cared for
1553
01:03:20.041 --> 01:03:21.959
who are there looking at me,
1554
01:03:22.041 --> 01:03:24.834
you know,
as a potential criminal.
1555
01:03:26.709 --> 01:03:28.959
- All right,
it's 9:59 on The FAN.
1556
01:03:29.041 --> 01:03:29.959
"Boomer and Carton" here.
1557
01:03:30.041 --> 01:03:31.959
This is me signing off
for today,
1558
01:03:32.041 --> 01:03:33.625
and it's been
a very interesting day
1559
01:03:33.709 --> 01:03:35.709
around here at WFAN for sure.
1560
01:03:35.792 --> 01:03:38.959
- I spoke to Boomer
after the show was over.
1561
01:03:39.041 --> 01:03:41.166
He said to me, "I think
he's got real trouble here."
1562
01:03:41.250 --> 01:03:47.500
♪ ♪
1563
01:03:47.583 --> 01:03:49.125
- I knew we were popular,
1564
01:03:49.208 --> 01:03:51.458
but when I walked out
of that courtroom,
1565
01:03:51.542 --> 01:03:53.959
I mean, I've never experienced
anything like that in my life.
1566
01:03:54.041 --> 01:03:57.500
[crowd shouting]
1567
01:03:57.583 --> 01:03:59.166
I mean, it was like
"Lord of the Flies"
1568
01:03:59.250 --> 01:04:00.875
amongst the media
to get in my face
1569
01:04:00.959 --> 01:04:03.166
with a camera or a microphone.
1570
01:04:03.250 --> 01:04:04.875
You know,
personal space meant nothing.
1571
01:04:04.959 --> 01:04:08.667
♪ ♪
1572
01:04:08.750 --> 01:04:10.583
- When you see
the video footage of him
1573
01:04:10.667 --> 01:04:12.208
coming from the courthouse,
1574
01:04:12.291 --> 01:04:15.667
I mean, jaw-dropping doesn't
even begin to--I was stunned.
1575
01:04:15.750 --> 01:04:19.166
♪ ♪
1576
01:04:19.250 --> 01:04:21.542
- I was hoping
it was some kind of mistake.
1577
01:04:21.625 --> 01:04:26.166
♪ ♪
1578
01:04:26.250 --> 01:04:27.417
But it's highly unlikely
1579
01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:30.333
that federal prosecutors
are gonna drop these charges.
1580
01:04:30.417 --> 01:04:33.166
Especially with
a big public figure,
1581
01:04:33.250 --> 01:04:35.667
you usually shoot to kill.
1582
01:04:35.750 --> 01:04:37.709
You don't shoot to wound.
1583
01:04:37.792 --> 01:04:40.250
And you usually don't miss
the shot.
1584
01:04:40.333 --> 01:04:42.875
- I knew right away
that I was screwed job-wise.
1585
01:04:42.959 --> 01:04:44.333
There was no doubt in my mind.
1586
01:04:44.417 --> 01:04:49.041
♪ ♪
1587
01:04:49.125 --> 01:04:51.125
- That was the moment
that that show was over.
1588
01:04:59.291 --> 01:05:01.166
- I wanna say thank you
to all of our listeners
1589
01:05:01.250 --> 01:05:02.417
that reached out
to me yesterday.
1590
01:05:02.500 --> 01:05:04.542
As you can imagine,
my phone blew up
1591
01:05:04.625 --> 01:05:06.875
as everybody was finding out
what was going on.
1592
01:05:06.959 --> 01:05:08.875
- For ten years, we were one
1593
01:05:08.959 --> 01:05:12.375
of the most listened to sports
talk radio shows in America.
1594
01:05:12.458 --> 01:05:13.583
And for those ten years,
1595
01:05:13.667 --> 01:05:15.250
we never had
a single argument.
1596
01:05:15.333 --> 01:05:17.375
Never had a single fight.
1597
01:05:17.458 --> 01:05:18.834
We were kinda brothers in arms.
1598
01:05:18.917 --> 01:05:20.417
- I just want people to know
out there
1599
01:05:20.500 --> 01:05:22.417
that I loved my partner
for ten years.
1600
01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:24.250
I still love my partner.
1601
01:05:24.333 --> 01:05:26.083
We tried to have
a conversation here or there
1602
01:05:26.166 --> 01:05:28.208
and, you know,
it never went well
1603
01:05:28.291 --> 01:05:29.583
because he didn't
wanna understand,
1604
01:05:29.667 --> 01:05:30.917
I don't think he wanted
to understand,
1605
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:32.583
that, you know, I have
other people in my life
1606
01:05:32.667 --> 01:05:34.959
that are like, "Get the hell
away from that guy.
1607
01:05:35.041 --> 01:05:37.583
He got arrested by the FBI."
1608
01:05:37.667 --> 01:05:40.458
- When you get arrested,
you don't tell the FBI,
1609
01:05:40.542 --> 01:05:42.792
"Give me a minute.
I gotta call 30 people."
1610
01:05:42.875 --> 01:05:44.291
So unfortunately, he found out
1611
01:05:44.375 --> 01:05:46.083
the way the rest of the world
found out.
1612
01:05:46.166 --> 01:05:48.250
He either texted
or emailed me back
1613
01:05:48.333 --> 01:05:50.917
that he needed a few days
before he could call me.
1614
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:52.083
- It took me a while.
1615
01:05:52.166 --> 01:05:53.291
It took me a while.
1616
01:05:53.375 --> 01:05:56.542
And the reason it took me
a while was because
1617
01:05:56.625 --> 01:05:58.458
I felt like
I didn't wanna know, you know?
1618
01:05:58.542 --> 01:06:01.417
I just--I don't wanna know
all the seedy details.
1619
01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:03.291
[dramatic music]
1620
01:06:03.375 --> 01:06:05.250
I didn't wanna
get myself embroiled
1621
01:06:05.333 --> 01:06:07.917
in what he had to do
to defend himself.
1622
01:06:10.375 --> 01:06:11.583
They told me to read this.
1623
01:06:11.667 --> 01:06:13.959
"My cohost Craig Carton has
been suspended from this show
1624
01:06:14.041 --> 01:06:15.583
until further notice."
1625
01:06:15.667 --> 01:06:18.750
♪ ♪
1626
01:06:18.834 --> 01:06:22.250
I remember him sending me
a pretty negative email.
1627
01:06:22.333 --> 01:06:24.458
When I read the email,
it made me puke, actually,
1628
01:06:24.542 --> 01:06:26.875
it was just so pathetic, but--
1629
01:06:26.959 --> 01:06:28.959
and I remember
that I was very angry
1630
01:06:29.041 --> 01:06:30.625
when I got the email because--
1631
01:06:30.709 --> 01:06:31.959
[laughs]
1632
01:06:32.041 --> 01:06:34.166
You know, he talked
about something
1633
01:06:34.250 --> 01:06:35.500
that we often talked about
1634
01:06:35.583 --> 01:06:36.792
when once of us
would be in trouble.
1635
01:06:36.875 --> 01:06:38.291
You know,
"We're foxhole guys."
1636
01:06:38.375 --> 01:06:39.959
That was something
that we would always say.
1637
01:06:40.041 --> 01:06:41.125
"I got your back.
I got your back.
1638
01:06:41.208 --> 01:06:42.417
You got my back."
1639
01:06:42.500 --> 01:06:44.417
And I always would tell him,
like, "I'll be in your foxhole
1640
01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:46.000
"as long as you don't bring
a hand grenade
1641
01:06:46.083 --> 01:06:48.792
in the foxhole with you."
1642
01:06:48.875 --> 01:06:50.834
I was very angry at that,
1643
01:06:50.917 --> 01:06:52.667
and that even pushed me
1644
01:06:52.750 --> 01:06:55.125
further away from him
initially.
1645
01:06:55.208 --> 01:07:00.166
♪ ♪
1646
01:07:00.250 --> 01:07:02.166
- So he's mad at me
that I ruined
1647
01:07:02.250 --> 01:07:04.291
what we had created.
1648
01:07:04.375 --> 01:07:07.542
He can be mad at me for that.
He should be.
1649
01:07:07.625 --> 01:07:10.125
But I didn't do it on purpose.
1650
01:07:10.208 --> 01:07:13.834
I didn't set out to ruin,
you know, "Boomer and Carton."
1651
01:07:13.917 --> 01:07:20.542
♪ ♪
1652
01:07:21.542 --> 01:07:24.625
- He told me,
"Nothing to this.
1653
01:07:24.709 --> 01:07:26.208
"It's a bunch of mistakes.
1654
01:07:26.291 --> 01:07:27.542
"They're gonna get
to the bottom of it
1655
01:07:27.625 --> 01:07:28.709
"and then they're gonna just,
1656
01:07:28.792 --> 01:07:30.917
you know, drop any charges
against him."
1657
01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.834
- And I pleaded not guilty
to the charges against me.
1658
01:07:33.917 --> 01:07:35.667
I did that for one reason:
1659
01:07:35.750 --> 01:07:37.917
because I am
unequivocally not guilty
1660
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.500
of what I'm being charged with.
1661
01:07:39.583 --> 01:07:41.208
- He took loans
1662
01:07:41.291 --> 01:07:45.375
and did not
immediately purchase tickets
1663
01:07:45.458 --> 01:07:47.333
with those moneys,
1664
01:07:47.417 --> 01:07:51.041
but treated those moneys
as if they were fungible
1665
01:07:51.125 --> 01:07:53.667
and purchased tickets
at a later date.
1666
01:07:53.750 --> 01:07:55.875
- If you are soliciting
investments from people
1667
01:07:55.959 --> 01:07:57.583
and you do something
other than what you say
1668
01:07:57.667 --> 01:07:59.041
you're going to do
with the money,
1669
01:07:59.125 --> 01:08:02.417
that is fraud.
1670
01:08:02.500 --> 01:08:04.041
- Radio host Craig Carton.
1671
01:08:04.125 --> 01:08:07.041
This afternoon,
a jury convicted him.
1672
01:08:07.125 --> 01:08:09.417
Carton was accused
of swindling investors
1673
01:08:09.500 --> 01:08:12.750
in a ticket reselling
business.
1674
01:08:12.834 --> 01:08:14.083
- When it finally came
to fruition
1675
01:08:14.166 --> 01:08:17.291
that he was found guilty
and there was no defense,
1676
01:08:17.375 --> 01:08:18.458
he realized
that was the end of it
1677
01:08:18.542 --> 01:08:21.417
and that was the reality of it.
1678
01:08:21.500 --> 01:08:24.709
- On the day of sentencing,
Carton was subdued.
1679
01:08:24.792 --> 01:08:27.417
You know, this is kinda
the walk of shame here.
1680
01:08:27.500 --> 01:08:29.208
I think he was wearing a jacket
and even a tie.
1681
01:08:29.291 --> 01:08:30.959
I had never seen him
do that before.
1682
01:08:31.041 --> 01:08:33.375
He was like a chastised kid.
1683
01:08:33.458 --> 01:08:35.625
He got up
and addressed the court
1684
01:08:35.709 --> 01:08:36.750
and delivered, you know,
1685
01:08:36.834 --> 01:08:39.250
an emotional,
soul-baring account
1686
01:08:39.333 --> 01:08:41.875
of his gambling addiction,
of his sexual abuse,
1687
01:08:41.959 --> 01:08:44.417
of his regret.
1688
01:08:44.500 --> 01:08:45.417
His family was there.
1689
01:08:45.500 --> 01:08:47.125
You know, it was hard
to see the family.
1690
01:08:47.208 --> 01:08:51.625
♪ ♪
1691
01:08:51.709 --> 01:08:55.792
- Judge McMahon sentenced Craig
to 3 1/2 years,
1692
01:08:55.875 --> 01:08:58.208
and he has to pay restitution
1693
01:08:58.291 --> 01:09:01.458
back to the victims
in his criminal case.
1694
01:09:01.542 --> 01:09:02.792
- The feeling you have
when you look
1695
01:09:02.875 --> 01:09:05.291
at Craig Carton's situation
is sadness,
1696
01:09:05.375 --> 01:09:06.792
because there are no winners.
1697
01:09:06.875 --> 01:09:08.333
There's nothing good that came
1698
01:09:08.417 --> 01:09:10.125
of the trouble
he got himself in.
1699
01:09:10.208 --> 01:09:12.667
There was only losers.
1700
01:09:12.750 --> 01:09:15.792
- You look at the talent,
1701
01:09:15.875 --> 01:09:19.291
the friendships, the lies,
1702
01:09:19.375 --> 01:09:21.083
and you just say to yourself,
"Why?
1703
01:09:21.166 --> 01:09:22.458
Why?"
1704
01:09:22.542 --> 01:09:26.959
♪ ♪
1705
01:09:27.041 --> 01:09:30.625
- All of a sudden, it's like,
"Wow, that ten years is gone."
1706
01:09:30.709 --> 01:09:31.875
You know,
as fast as it happened,
1707
01:09:31.959 --> 01:09:33.125
that's how quick it ended.
1708
01:09:33.208 --> 01:09:39.208
♪ ♪
1709
01:09:45.458 --> 01:09:48.375
[somber music]
1710
01:09:48.458 --> 01:09:49.875
♪ ♪
1711
01:09:49.959 --> 01:09:52.667
- Day 371.
1712
01:09:52.750 --> 01:09:55.333
In prison jargon,
I have two sleeps and a wake
1713
01:09:55.417 --> 01:09:57.500
before I leave this place.
1714
01:09:57.583 --> 01:09:59.917
For the first month,
my wife and family wrote me
1715
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.667
every single day.
1716
01:10:01.750 --> 01:10:03.959
I saved every one
of those letters.
1717
01:10:04.041 --> 01:10:05.834
They mean the world to me.
1718
01:10:05.917 --> 01:10:08.333
I've been away from them
for a year.
1719
01:10:08.417 --> 01:10:09.542
I'm going to work hard
1720
01:10:09.625 --> 01:10:11.875
to rebuild my relationship
with them
1721
01:10:11.959 --> 01:10:15.875
and everyone else in my life.
1722
01:10:15.959 --> 01:10:17.291
I'm excited and nervous.
1723
01:10:17.375 --> 01:10:19.583
Excited to leave
this place behind,
1724
01:10:19.667 --> 01:10:22.959
but nervous because I have
no idea what's waiting for me
1725
01:10:23.041 --> 01:10:25.000
beyond the gates.
1726
01:10:25.083 --> 01:10:26.583
I'm 51.
1727
01:10:26.667 --> 01:10:27.875
I had it all
1728
01:10:27.959 --> 01:10:29.709
and I lost it all,
1729
01:10:29.792 --> 01:10:33.375
and now I've gotta start
all over again.
1730
01:10:33.458 --> 01:10:40.458
♪ ♪
1731
01:10:50.625 --> 01:10:53.250
- I see a number pop up
on my screen
1732
01:10:53.333 --> 01:10:55.625
and I hear
a very familiar voice saying,
1733
01:10:55.709 --> 01:10:57.583
"Hey, it's me.
I'm out."
1734
01:10:57.667 --> 01:10:59.208
And it was Craigy.
1735
01:10:59.291 --> 01:11:00.750
He's paid his debt to society.
1736
01:11:00.834 --> 01:11:02.625
He did not get out
because of coronavirus.
1737
01:11:02.709 --> 01:11:04.083
He got out
because of all the things
1738
01:11:04.166 --> 01:11:05.959
he was doing in prison
1739
01:11:06.041 --> 01:11:09.792
to get early release.
1740
01:11:09.875 --> 01:11:12.917
What I heard was a happy
and relieved Craig Carton.
1741
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:14.583
He was with
his family yesterday.
1742
01:11:14.667 --> 01:11:16.792
They all went to pick him up
at the penitentiary
1743
01:11:16.875 --> 01:11:17.917
and they brought him home,
1744
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.917
and now the real work begins
for him,
1745
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.625
and that's
rebuilding his life.
1746
01:11:24.709 --> 01:11:25.792
- There was a point
where I thought
1747
01:11:25.875 --> 01:11:27.750
this day was never gonna come.
1748
01:11:27.834 --> 01:11:29.625
Greatest moment I had
in over a year.
1749
01:11:29.709 --> 01:11:32.417
Just seeing my wife,
seeing my four kids,
1750
01:11:32.500 --> 01:11:34.834
seeing the smiles
on their faces
1751
01:11:34.917 --> 01:11:36.333
and the tears of joy
1752
01:11:36.417 --> 01:11:39.625
that their dad and husband
finally got out of prison.
1753
01:11:39.709 --> 01:11:42.667
[solemn music]
1754
01:11:42.750 --> 01:11:48.291
♪ ♪
1755
01:11:48.375 --> 01:11:49.458
And now
it's just about enjoying
1756
01:11:49.542 --> 01:11:50.583
all the little things.
1757
01:11:50.667 --> 01:11:52.625
Looking up in the sky,
seeing the sun, clouds,
1758
01:11:52.709 --> 01:11:53.875
hearing birds chirp,
1759
01:11:53.959 --> 01:11:55.667
being able to walk
down the street,
1760
01:11:55.750 --> 01:11:58.667
being able to work, being able
to spend time with my family,
1761
01:11:58.750 --> 01:12:00.166
and just having
my freedom back,
1762
01:12:00.250 --> 01:12:03.333
which is something, for sure,
I took for granted.
1763
01:12:03.417 --> 01:12:08.125
♪ ♪
1764
01:12:08.208 --> 01:12:10.458
Boomer was the very first
person I called,
1765
01:12:10.542 --> 01:12:13.291
and I probably got to him
about 27 minutes after
1766
01:12:13.375 --> 01:12:15.125
I actually walked
out of prison.
1767
01:12:15.208 --> 01:12:17.834
It was important that he be
the first person I called.
1768
01:12:17.917 --> 01:12:20.625
My relationship with him,
it's had its ups and downs,
1769
01:12:20.709 --> 01:12:24.500
but all the downs were
inflicted by my actions.
1770
01:12:24.583 --> 01:12:25.834
So I'm really happy to say
1771
01:12:25.917 --> 01:12:28.875
that Boomer and I are
in a very good place now.
1772
01:12:28.959 --> 01:12:32.333
Closer than we've been
in a long time.
1773
01:12:32.417 --> 01:12:33.709
He was mad at me,
1774
01:12:33.792 --> 01:12:35.375
and he had every right
to be mad at me,
1775
01:12:35.458 --> 01:12:36.792
and the other guys
on the show,
1776
01:12:36.875 --> 01:12:39.875
they had every right
to be angry with me too.
1777
01:12:39.959 --> 01:12:42.041
I would love to just look
in that camera
1778
01:12:42.125 --> 01:12:43.834
and one day look them all
in the eye and just say
1779
01:12:43.917 --> 01:12:45.166
I'm sorry for being selfish
1780
01:12:45.250 --> 01:12:49.834
and into my own shit
way too much
1781
01:12:49.917 --> 01:12:53.417
and not taking account
of, you know, their wellbeing.
1782
01:12:55.417 --> 01:12:57.959
And I also have to be upfront
with who I am,
1783
01:12:58.041 --> 01:12:59.917
and I have to do that 24/7.
1784
01:13:00.041 --> 01:13:01.875
That can never take a day off.
1785
01:13:01.959 --> 01:13:03.750
The pledge I made
to the people
1786
01:13:03.834 --> 01:13:05.709
who did stay with me
through prison
1787
01:13:05.792 --> 01:13:07.834
is that I'll do that.
1788
01:13:07.917 --> 01:13:10.041
They deserve me
to be straight with them.
1789
01:13:10.125 --> 01:13:11.542
Honest with them.
1790
01:13:11.625 --> 01:13:13.083
And if I ever go back
on that pledge,
1791
01:13:13.166 --> 01:13:16.291
I don't deserve those people
to be there for me.
1792
01:13:17.792 --> 01:13:19.875
If I falter,
I lose everything.
1793
01:13:19.959 --> 01:13:22.166
If I make
those mistakes again,
1794
01:13:22.250 --> 01:13:24.041
I lose my family.
1795
01:13:24.125 --> 01:13:26.375
There's no,
"Hey, you get another shot.
1796
01:13:26.458 --> 01:13:28.500
Hey, we're gonna sit
through this crap"--no.
1797
01:13:28.583 --> 01:13:30.583
No, no, no.
1798
01:13:30.667 --> 01:13:34.125
If I go down
the rabbit hole again,
1799
01:13:34.208 --> 01:13:35.583
it's over.
1800
01:13:35.667 --> 01:13:41.709
♪ ♪
1801
01:13:41.792 --> 01:13:43.417
What's important
that it comes through
1802
01:13:43.500 --> 01:13:46.917
that I recognize
why I went to prison.
1803
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.917
♪ ♪
1804
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.041
I take full ownership
of every bad decision I made.
1805
01:13:53.125 --> 01:13:54.041
Every one of 'em.
1806
01:13:54.125 --> 01:13:57.917
♪ ♪
1807
01:13:58.000 --> 01:13:59.709
No one forced me
to do anything I did.
1808
01:13:59.792 --> 01:14:02.667
I was an adult
in clear control of my actions.
1809
01:14:04.709 --> 01:14:09.041
Going to prison
is a lifechanging experience,
1810
01:14:09.125 --> 01:14:10.917
and I emerged a better person.
1811
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.417
♪ ♪
1812
01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:16.291
What I learned about myself,
1813
01:14:16.375 --> 01:14:18.959
other than the fact
that I'm a compulsive gambler,
1814
01:14:19.041 --> 01:14:22.291
is that I'm a lousy businessman
1815
01:14:22.375 --> 01:14:24.208
and I'm good at one thing,
1816
01:14:24.291 --> 01:14:26.750
and that's hosting
a radio show.
1817
01:14:26.834 --> 01:14:29.208
When you come to terms
with what you're good at
1818
01:14:29.291 --> 01:14:30.625
and what you're not good at
1819
01:14:30.709 --> 01:14:33.125
and can be honest about that,
1820
01:14:33.208 --> 01:14:35.542
man, that's liberating.
1821
01:14:37.583 --> 01:14:40.000
I've spent every day
for the last year
1822
01:14:40.083 --> 01:14:42.917
dreaming of the opportunity
to be back on the radio,
1823
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.250
and I can't wait
just to flick a button
1824
01:14:46.333 --> 01:14:50.000
and welcome an audience
into my world again.
1825
01:14:50.083 --> 01:14:57.083
♪ ♪
1826
01:15:09.417 --> 01:15:11.333
- ♪ Oh ♪
1827
01:15:11.417 --> 01:15:12.500
♪ Break ♪
1828
01:15:12.583 --> 01:15:15.500
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1829
01:15:15.583 --> 01:15:19.208
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1830
01:15:19.291 --> 01:15:20.208
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1831
01:15:20.291 --> 01:15:25.291
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1832
01:15:25.375 --> 01:15:27.291
♪ Oh ♪
1833
01:15:27.375 --> 01:15:34.375
♪ ♪
1834
01:15:47.792 --> 01:15:48.917
♪ Hey ♪
1835
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.709
♪ ♪
1836
01:15:55.792 --> 01:15:56.917
♪ Hey ♪
1837
01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:59.208
♪ ♪
1838
01:15:59.291 --> 01:16:00.417
♪ Break ♪
1839
01:16:00.500 --> 01:16:07.208
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1840
01:16:07.291 --> 01:16:08.417
♪ Break ♪
1841
01:16:08.500 --> 01:16:15.083
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1842
01:16:15.166 --> 01:16:16.333
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1843
01:16:16.417 --> 01:16:23.417
♪ ♪
1844
01:16:33.834 --> 01:16:36.834
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