1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:13,221 --> 00:00:16,599 [wedding march playing on keyboard] 4 00:00:20,854 --> 00:00:23,273 [officiant] Ladies and gentlemen, I now pronounce to you, 5 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:25,483 Mr. and Mrs. Tim Russell. 6 00:00:25,567 --> 00:00:27,402 Let's give 'em a hand, everybody. 7 00:00:27,485 --> 00:00:28,903 [applause] 8 00:00:28,987 --> 00:00:30,822 [officiant] God bless you. Okay. All right… 9 00:00:30,905 --> 00:00:32,574 [indistinct chatter] 10 00:00:32,657 --> 00:00:33,867 Ah! [laughs] 11 00:00:34,451 --> 00:00:36,161 [indistinct chatter] 12 00:00:36,244 --> 00:00:38,413 [chatter continues on TV] 13 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:42,792 [gospel song playing on video] 14 00:00:52,385 --> 00:00:54,804 [man] Everybody said I had good kids. 15 00:00:54,888 --> 00:00:57,849 [song continues on tape] 16 00:00:57,932 --> 00:01:02,270 [man] My wife, she really taught them how to stick together. 17 00:01:02,353 --> 00:01:05,899 And if one of them hurting, just about all of them are hurting. 18 00:01:05,982 --> 00:01:07,859 [song continues on tape] 19 00:01:08,568 --> 00:01:10,820 But that's about all I know right now. 20 00:01:12,363 --> 00:01:14,657 [woman] They were saying that he was a thug and… 21 00:01:14,741 --> 00:01:18,036 in other words, like, they deserved to be shot. 22 00:01:18,119 --> 00:01:21,956 And they were trying to make it seem like he didn't have a family, 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,335 that there was nobody that cared and loved him. 24 00:01:25,418 --> 00:01:28,880 That was, like, very frustrating 'cause, you know, they got it wrong. 25 00:01:28,963 --> 00:01:30,799 That's not who he was. 26 00:01:32,217 --> 00:01:34,928 I found out when I saw it on the news, and I was lookin' and I said, 27 00:01:35,011 --> 00:01:38,515 "Oh man," I said, "I hope that family is okay." 28 00:01:38,598 --> 00:01:40,934 But here it is, it was me. My family. 29 00:01:41,518 --> 00:01:42,727 You know, so… 30 00:01:48,525 --> 00:01:52,862 Malissa had a good life. You know? She just had some mental health issues. 31 00:01:54,864 --> 00:01:56,991 It's just been hard on our family. 32 00:01:59,452 --> 00:02:02,247 They… they ain't shoot Bonnie and Clyde up like that. 33 00:02:03,581 --> 00:02:04,624 How she went. 34 00:02:07,877 --> 00:02:10,088 This case should have been worldwide. 35 00:02:10,171 --> 00:02:13,258 I mean, it should have went worldwide. 36 00:02:20,515 --> 00:02:24,602 [radio stations quickly changing] 37 00:02:25,895 --> 00:02:28,690 [radio announcer] WMMS, Cleveland. 38 00:02:28,773 --> 00:02:32,026 [piano flourish playing] 39 00:02:37,323 --> 00:02:40,660 [R&B instrumental music playing] 40 00:03:04,684 --> 00:03:07,103 [Robert Kennedy] What has violence ever accomplished? 41 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:08,813 What has it ever created? 42 00:03:10,607 --> 00:03:14,319 Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence. 43 00:03:15,612 --> 00:03:21,201 Too often we honor swagger and bluster and the wielders of force. 44 00:03:21,284 --> 00:03:22,827 [siren wailing] 45 00:03:22,911 --> 00:03:27,624 Whenever any American's life is taken by another American unnecessarily, 46 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:31,628 {\an8}in the name of the law, or in defiance of the law, 47 00:03:32,503 --> 00:03:34,797 {\an8}then the whole nation is degraded. 48 00:03:35,882 --> 00:03:37,467 Some look for scapegoats. 49 00:03:38,635 --> 00:03:40,511 Others look for conspiracies. 50 00:03:41,512 --> 00:03:43,056 But this much is clear, 51 00:03:44,182 --> 00:03:46,142 violence breeds violence. 52 00:03:47,101 --> 00:03:49,270 Repression breeds retaliation. 53 00:03:50,104 --> 00:03:53,775 And only a cleansing of our whole society 54 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:56,527 can remove this sickness 55 00:03:57,278 --> 00:03:58,488 {\an8}from our souls. 56 00:04:12,752 --> 00:04:14,545 [man 2] Let everybody get situated here. 57 00:04:16,756 --> 00:04:18,508 {\an8}BCI is the lead agency here. 58 00:04:18,591 --> 00:04:22,804 {\an8}Our policy is, officer-involved shootings, it's a criminal investigation. 59 00:04:22,887 --> 00:04:24,013 {\an8}This is not internal. 60 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:26,474 [reporter] {\an8}Yellow police markers on the scene 61 00:04:26,557 --> 00:04:30,353 {\an8}signaling the number of shots fired, possibly hundreds between… 62 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:33,231 {\an8}[man 2] Don't take some of the questions personal. 63 00:04:33,314 --> 00:04:35,149 {\an8}And, of course, please be honest. 64 00:04:35,233 --> 00:04:38,611 If you don't know, don't fall back on the old cop speak. 65 00:04:38,695 --> 00:04:40,071 Just say you don't know. 66 00:04:40,154 --> 00:04:43,366 {\an8}The medical examiner went through that car and found no gun. 67 00:04:43,449 --> 00:04:46,786 {\an8}Again, the medical examiner found no gun in the suspects' vehicle. 68 00:04:46,869 --> 00:04:49,289 {\an8}With the new prosecuting attorney in Cuyahoga County, 69 00:04:49,372 --> 00:04:52,125 {\an8}you get a grand jury subpoena down the road, that's what's going on. 70 00:04:52,208 --> 00:04:54,919 {\an8}My personal preference, I like the grand jury to sign off, 71 00:04:55,003 --> 00:04:57,922 {\an8}but the FBI officers are right on the money here with everything. 72 00:04:58,006 --> 00:05:03,094 [reporter 2] Thirteen officers fired 137 rounds at the vehicle. 73 00:05:03,177 --> 00:05:04,804 [siren wailing] 74 00:05:04,887 --> 00:05:08,224 [reporter 3] Investigators now say {\an8}one of those killed, Timothy Russell. 75 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:12,186 {\an8}We're told the other person, a 30-year-old woman, homeless. 76 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:14,022 {\an8}On behalf of the Russell family, 77 00:05:14,105 --> 00:05:16,399 {\an8}we would like to extend our deepest sympathies 78 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:20,611 {\an8}to Miss Malissa Williams' family and loved ones. 79 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:25,283 [intense music playing] 80 00:05:26,576 --> 00:05:28,244 [man 2] You have the right to remain silent. 81 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:31,039 Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. 82 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:35,501 The family is struggling to get answers to what really happened. 83 00:05:35,585 --> 00:05:37,545 [man 3] You have the right to consult an attorney 84 00:05:37,628 --> 00:05:40,173 and have an attorney present during questioning. 85 00:05:40,882 --> 00:05:45,219 Right now, we know that Tim was unarmed and that he was executed by the police. 86 00:05:45,303 --> 00:05:47,013 If you can't afford an attorney, 87 00:05:47,096 --> 00:05:50,183 one can be provided to you before questioning at no cost. 88 00:05:50,266 --> 00:05:53,936 [woman] The police chose to fire 137 rounds into a car 89 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:55,813 with two unarmed people in it, 90 00:05:55,897 --> 00:05:58,066 and that cannot be justified. 91 00:05:58,149 --> 00:05:59,650 -You understand these rights? -Yes. 92 00:05:59,734 --> 00:06:01,611 Bearing them in mind, do you wish to speak to me? 93 00:06:01,694 --> 00:06:02,570 Yes. 94 00:06:03,154 --> 00:06:06,991 We believe in the power of prayer, and we know that God will… 95 00:06:07,075 --> 00:06:09,202 [emotionally] …right all wrong. 96 00:06:11,913 --> 00:06:13,915 [intense music playing] 97 00:06:35,895 --> 00:06:39,023 [announcer on radio] This is The Forum with Mansfield Frazier 98 00:06:39,107 --> 00:06:43,486 on Cleveland's News Radio, WTAM 1100. 99 00:06:43,569 --> 00:06:46,239 [Frazier on radio] The 137 shots case, 100 00:06:46,989 --> 00:06:50,326 it goes back to who runs the country. 101 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:53,621 You know, in totalitarian states, men with guns run countries. 102 00:06:54,205 --> 00:06:55,790 This is about power. 103 00:06:55,873 --> 00:06:59,585 And policing is still a reflection of society. 104 00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:04,507 And we have a society that doesn't want a mirror held up to it. 105 00:07:04,590 --> 00:07:07,468 [announcer on radio] The Forum with Mansfield Frazier. 106 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:11,347 [Frazier] And our next caller, we got Karen from Mentor. Go right ahead. 107 00:07:12,098 --> 00:07:16,352 [Karen] Hi. The one common thread in all these shootings 108 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:18,312 is the victims, 109 00:07:18,396 --> 00:07:19,897 the so-called victims, 110 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,442 none of them complied with the officers. 111 00:07:22,525 --> 00:07:23,484 [Frazier] So hold on. 112 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:26,696 {\an8}You're saying, "As long as you comply, you'll be okay." Right? 113 00:07:26,779 --> 00:07:29,031 -[Karen]{\an8} Did you learn respect? -Of course I did. 114 00:07:29,115 --> 00:07:31,617 [Karen] All right. {\an8}Then why haven't these people? 115 00:07:31,701 --> 00:07:34,620 {\an8}You're seeing exactly what you want to see. 116 00:07:34,704 --> 00:07:37,748 {\an8}There's more to this story. You wanna cause trouble. 117 00:07:37,832 --> 00:07:39,542 [Frazier] You mean to call… 118 00:07:39,625 --> 00:07:42,962 Oh, by speaking out against brutality, I'm causing trouble. 119 00:07:43,045 --> 00:07:44,672 -How 'bout that? Huh? -[Karen] What about… 120 00:07:44,755 --> 00:07:46,591 You're not speaking out. You're poking the bear. 121 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:49,927 [Frazier] And I'm gonna keep poking the bear. And? 122 00:07:50,011 --> 00:07:53,222 -[Karen] You're provoking-- -I'm provoking change. 123 00:07:53,306 --> 00:07:55,558 -No. -And the country is changing. 124 00:07:55,641 --> 00:07:58,269 -Yeah, right. -The country is changing. Believe me. 125 00:07:58,352 --> 00:08:02,523 Really the question is, is this even gonna go to trial? 126 00:08:03,566 --> 00:08:05,276 [station jingle playing] 127 00:08:05,359 --> 00:08:06,819 [Frazier] We're going to go to break. 128 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:09,238 You're listening to The Forum with Mansfield Frazier. 129 00:08:09,322 --> 00:08:10,573 We'll be right back. 130 00:08:11,407 --> 00:08:13,618 [commercial playing faintly] 131 00:08:13,701 --> 00:08:15,244 We could do this show over and over. 132 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:16,412 -You know? -[Mitchell] Huh? 133 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:18,789 We could do this kind of show over and over. 134 00:08:22,543 --> 00:08:24,712 [man 4] I'm gonna introduce the prosecuting attorney. 135 00:08:24,795 --> 00:08:26,631 In fact, he might as well come on up here now. 136 00:08:26,714 --> 00:08:28,090 He's gonna say something. Uh… 137 00:08:29,008 --> 00:08:31,260 In the end, when police officers 138 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:35,765 {\an8}are in what they perceive to be a life-and-death situation, 139 00:08:36,891 --> 00:08:39,644 {\an8}and they're making split-second decisions, 140 00:08:40,269 --> 00:08:43,481 you know, the system let these guys down. 141 00:08:44,815 --> 00:08:45,983 And women down. 142 00:08:49,820 --> 00:08:51,864 It is now in his hands. 143 00:08:54,450 --> 00:08:58,120 {\an8}Considering the friendly fire that tore up the police vehicles, 144 00:08:58,204 --> 00:09:01,165 it was indeed, I would concur, a miracle 145 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:04,168 that there weren't more burials that followed this event. 146 00:09:04,252 --> 00:09:05,586 [bird chirping] 147 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:16,430 [McGinty] In November of 2012, 148 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:18,766 the month after I took office as prosecutor, 149 00:09:18,849 --> 00:09:21,727 there was a high-speed chase over a very minor incident. 150 00:09:23,104 --> 00:09:24,146 The police… 151 00:09:25,606 --> 00:09:27,692 received a report from another police officer 152 00:09:27,775 --> 00:09:29,110 that shots had been fired at him. 153 00:09:29,193 --> 00:09:30,152 [loud bang] 154 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:32,154 [man 5] {\an8}An old Chevy just popped a round 155 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:35,324 {\an8}as he passed by the Justice Center, westbound on Superior. 156 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:37,618 [McGinty] Actually, it was a backfire. 157 00:09:37,702 --> 00:09:42,415 {\an8}When you slow down in an old-fashioned carburetor car, out of tune, 158 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:45,543 there's a gas build-up and a backfire. 159 00:09:47,461 --> 00:09:48,754 [engine accelerating] 160 00:09:48,838 --> 00:09:49,839 [loud bang] 161 00:09:52,049 --> 00:09:56,345 [McGinty] The individual officer kind of overreacted. 162 00:09:56,429 --> 00:10:00,016 And he was known for overreacting. 163 00:10:01,517 --> 00:10:04,103 That night he reported over the air he had been shot at. 164 00:10:04,186 --> 00:10:06,480 -[sirens wailing faintly] -Police cars started chasing 'em, 165 00:10:06,564 --> 00:10:11,068 and there began a 23-minute, 23-mile chase, approximately, 166 00:10:11,152 --> 00:10:13,779 all over the city, and out of the city of Cleveland. 167 00:10:14,405 --> 00:10:17,742 Actively chased by 60-some cars, over 100 police officers. 168 00:10:17,825 --> 00:10:19,744 Different cars came and went. 169 00:10:21,412 --> 00:10:24,081 Some cars dropped out, realized it was lunacy. 170 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,337 This was a wild goose chase, and it was a fiasco. 171 00:10:29,420 --> 00:10:31,505 It was a Blues Brothers chase. 172 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:33,841 They had lost total control. 173 00:10:33,924 --> 00:10:36,010 The supervisors had gone totally crazy. 174 00:10:37,303 --> 00:10:38,929 It's all over a backfire. 175 00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:41,515 [woman 2] Our phones were blowing up. 176 00:10:41,599 --> 00:10:44,101 If you were a journalist, you heard right away. 177 00:10:44,185 --> 00:10:45,686 It was more than 60 cars. 178 00:10:46,479 --> 00:10:50,733 {\an8}The first time I heard that, I thought, "What… Who gave this order?" 179 00:10:50,816 --> 00:10:52,485 How could that possibly have had 180 00:10:52,568 --> 00:10:56,489 anything but a chaotic and violent end to it? 181 00:10:57,114 --> 00:10:58,991 {\an8}The reason we're starting with you… 182 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:00,701 {\an8}You're the keystone. 183 00:11:00,785 --> 00:11:02,953 {\an8}You're the one that everything started with. 184 00:11:03,454 --> 00:11:05,873 {\an8}What we need to do is understand how all this started. 185 00:11:07,166 --> 00:11:08,793 [Nan] I parked the car on St. Clair. 186 00:11:08,876 --> 00:11:11,879 I exited the car in front of the police headquarters building. 187 00:11:12,546 --> 00:11:14,090 Almeida came out and… 188 00:11:14,674 --> 00:11:18,469 I wasn't there very long before this occurred. 189 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,849 {\an8}We're standing on St. Clair, 190 00:11:23,933 --> 00:11:25,643 and we hear 191 00:11:26,852 --> 00:11:28,270 an engine come up. 192 00:11:28,354 --> 00:11:30,272 Really stepped on it hard. 193 00:11:30,356 --> 00:11:32,775 -Engine just starts really revving. -[engine accelerating] 194 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:35,695 As that vehicle passes in front of us… 195 00:11:36,654 --> 00:11:37,655 [Nan] I hear a loud… 196 00:11:37,738 --> 00:11:38,739 [bang] 197 00:11:38,823 --> 00:11:40,408 …gunshot. 198 00:11:40,491 --> 00:11:44,120 You can even briefly smell the powder from this thing. 199 00:11:44,203 --> 00:11:45,621 The… the shot. 200 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:47,081 He goes, "Go get 'em." 201 00:11:47,164 --> 00:11:49,250 [Almeida] {\an8}An old Chevy just popped a round 202 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:53,129 {\an8}as he passed by the Justice Center, westbound on Superior. 203 00:11:53,212 --> 00:11:54,213 {\an8}Two Black males. 204 00:11:54,296 --> 00:11:55,214 {\an8}[sirens wail] 205 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,427 {\an8}We heard Officer Nan start screaming that shots had been fired. 206 00:11:59,510 --> 00:12:01,220 {\an8}Your adrenaline starts going up a little bit. 207 00:12:01,303 --> 00:12:02,972 {\an8}You hear, "Shots fired. Policeman called." 208 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:05,933 {\an8}-So you figure, this is the real deal. -Right. 209 00:12:06,475 --> 00:12:08,686 [officer on radio] {\an8}10-6-4, what's this in connection with? 210 00:12:08,769 --> 00:12:10,938 [Nan]{\an8} Shots fired out of a vehicle. 211 00:12:11,021 --> 00:12:14,150 {\an8}Popped a round right as he drove by us. 212 00:12:14,233 --> 00:12:16,402 [officer on radio] 31, what was {\an8}the description on that again? 213 00:12:16,485 --> 00:12:19,780 {\an8}A Chevy just blew by us going over the Detroit-Superior Bridge. 214 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:21,824 {\an8}Going westbound. 215 00:12:21,907 --> 00:12:24,618 [Nan] {\an8}Use caution. Occupants are armed. 216 00:12:25,786 --> 00:12:27,079 {\an8}[man 2] Who were you riding with? 217 00:12:27,538 --> 00:12:30,416 {\an8}Uh, my partner that night was Mike Brelo. 218 00:12:30,499 --> 00:12:32,334 {\an8}-[man 2] Who was driving? -[Moore] He was. 219 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:35,171 {\an8}-[man 2] What channel were you guys on? -Channel two, sir. 220 00:12:35,254 --> 00:12:37,339 -[siren wailing] -[officer on radio] {\an8}Passengers are… 221 00:12:39,008 --> 00:12:40,342 {\an8}very angry. 222 00:12:41,552 --> 00:12:45,806 The passenger picks his left arm up, over the headrest. 223 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:47,516 And points like this. 224 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,935 -Okay. You can see the passenger do that? -Yes. 225 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:52,772 [O'Neill] Man's pointing a gun {\an8}out the back window. 226 00:12:52,897 --> 00:12:54,982 [officer] He's pointing {\an8}a gun out the back window. 227 00:12:55,065 --> 00:12:56,066 {\an8}Heads up. Heads up. 228 00:12:56,859 --> 00:12:58,360 [officer 2]{\an8} Channel five, be advised. 229 00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:01,405 {\an8}The passenger's pointing a gun out the back side of the vehicle. 230 00:13:01,489 --> 00:13:04,408 {\an8}The passenger's pointing a gun out the back of the vehicle. 231 00:13:06,202 --> 00:13:07,828 {\an8}Heading toward the highway. 232 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:12,958 {\an8}He's making the highway, 90 East. 233 00:13:13,042 --> 00:13:16,629 Adrenaline going at that point. I look down briefly. I was doing 125. 234 00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:18,380 [Moore] The chase went on and on, 235 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:20,508 and everybody was yelling on the air to be careful. 236 00:13:20,591 --> 00:13:22,426 [Nan] This point there was a lot of zone cars there. 237 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:24,178 [Brelo] There were zone cars that were next to me. 238 00:13:24,261 --> 00:13:26,263 I had to stop for cars that were stopped in front of us. 239 00:13:26,347 --> 00:13:28,015 I ended being, like, tenth in line. 240 00:13:29,725 --> 00:13:31,727 [O'Neill] He just {\an8}rammed into a police car. 241 00:13:31,811 --> 00:13:33,521 [officer 3] Be advised, {\an8}he just hit a zone car. 242 00:13:33,604 --> 00:13:35,231 {\an8}Police car just hit. 243 00:13:35,731 --> 00:13:38,234 [O'Neill] They're fumbling with something {\an8}up in that front seat. 244 00:13:38,901 --> 00:13:41,987 {\an8}Looks like the passenger's possibly loading a weapon. 245 00:13:42,071 --> 00:13:43,948 [officer 3] {\an8}Passenger's possibly loading a weapon. 246 00:13:44,031 --> 00:13:45,825 [officer 4] Sergeant Coleman, {\an8}you got this now? 247 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:47,827 [Coleman]{\an8} I'm in it! 248 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:51,580 [McGinty] They chase the car out the city, into the city of East Cleveland. 249 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:54,792 Eventually chased into a schoolyard parking lot. 250 00:13:56,585 --> 00:13:57,503 No escape. 251 00:14:01,882 --> 00:14:04,802 The street was eerie. It was all smoky. 252 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:09,557 The visibility's really bad with all the zone cars in front of us. 253 00:14:10,057 --> 00:14:11,058 I'm pulling up. 254 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,726 [two bangs] 255 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:15,354 That's when I heard two or three shots fired, 256 00:14:15,437 --> 00:14:17,481 and I broadcast that shots were fired. 257 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:20,109 I hear, "Shots fired. Shots fired." 258 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:22,278 [O'Neill] {\an8}Shots fired! Shots fired! 259 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:24,154 -Next thing, you hear more shots. -[gunfire] 260 00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:26,407 I am on the floorboard of the car, 261 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:31,370 and I had my gun up in the air, looking out the passenger window, 262 00:14:31,453 --> 00:14:34,540 trying to look, you know, peek up, and I'm screaming at Billy, 263 00:14:34,623 --> 00:14:37,084 "Are they coming for us? Are they coming for us?" 264 00:14:37,585 --> 00:14:43,007 At which point I heard shots being fired from the area of the suspect vehicle. 265 00:14:43,090 --> 00:14:48,220 I heard shots, and I returned fire through the windshield of the zone car. 266 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:50,306 [gun shots] 267 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:52,099 [officer 5] {\an8}We got shots fired! Shots fired! 268 00:14:52,182 --> 00:14:53,851 -[glass shatters] -{\an8}Shots fired! 269 00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:55,394 {\an8}Watch your crossfire. 270 00:14:55,477 --> 00:14:57,730 [continual gunfire] 271 00:14:58,272 --> 00:14:59,815 [Brelo] {\an8}Shots fired. Rapid fire. 272 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,901 [gunfire continues] 273 00:15:07,531 --> 00:15:09,533 [rapid gunfire] 274 00:15:12,828 --> 00:15:14,038 [gunfire stops] 275 00:15:14,121 --> 00:15:16,123 [police sirens wail] 276 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:19,376 [intense music playing] 277 00:15:27,801 --> 00:15:29,094 [man 2] What was going on then? 278 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:31,305 [sighs] 279 00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:36,685 I saw… 280 00:15:41,857 --> 00:15:42,900 [man 2] It's all right. 281 00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:49,239 [O'Neill] I saw, uh, car 217. 282 00:15:50,199 --> 00:15:52,034 Windows were all shot up. 283 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:55,621 And the suspects' car was totally shot up. 284 00:15:55,704 --> 00:15:57,373 The back window. 285 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:01,293 And I thought the people in 217 were dead. 286 00:16:03,921 --> 00:16:06,131 [McGinty] She was a supervisor in the Second District. 287 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,718 She bears a lot of responsibility for this event 288 00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:12,221 because the police were following their leader. 289 00:16:12,888 --> 00:16:14,098 She was the leader. 290 00:16:14,181 --> 00:16:17,017 She never should have been in a car, she shouldn't have been in the lead. 291 00:16:17,101 --> 00:16:19,311 She shouldn't have let that many cars in a chase, 292 00:16:19,395 --> 00:16:21,105 she shouldn't have extended it that far. 293 00:16:21,188 --> 00:16:24,108 I could go on with the things she did irresponsibly. 294 00:16:24,191 --> 00:16:27,236 [man 2] Do you believe your actions were consistent with your training? 295 00:16:28,112 --> 00:16:32,533 Yes. If I had to do this all over again, I wouldn't change one thing. 296 00:16:33,325 --> 00:16:38,163 Well, the only thing I'd change is that they… they should have stopped. 297 00:16:40,332 --> 00:16:44,044 -So you wouldn't change your actions then? -I wouldn't change my actions, no. 298 00:16:45,587 --> 00:16:46,922 [McGinty] This is insanity. 299 00:16:47,506 --> 00:16:50,259 It was horrendous, ridiculous, and wrong. 300 00:16:50,676 --> 00:16:52,803 [officer 6] Passenger put {\an8}his hand out, asking us to stop. 301 00:16:52,886 --> 00:16:55,889 {\an8}He does not have a gun. He has a pair of black gloves on. 302 00:16:55,973 --> 00:16:57,933 {\an8}He does not have a gun in his hands. 303 00:16:58,434 --> 00:17:00,060 They realize midway through 304 00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:03,480 that the source of the so-called gunfire was backfire. 305 00:17:03,564 --> 00:17:04,982 [officer 6]  {\an8}There's a pop can in his hands. 306 00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:07,359 {\an8}There's a red pop can in his hand. Just be advised. 307 00:17:08,527 --> 00:17:11,447 [officer 7] Now stating {\an8}he has a pop can in his hand. 308 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:14,324 {\an8}It is not a gun. It's a pop can in his hand. 309 00:17:17,661 --> 00:17:19,288 [McGinty] At the end of the chase, 310 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:23,709 they surround and form a circle around this car, 311 00:17:23,792 --> 00:17:28,213 a circular firing squad, as it turns out, and the police shoot at themselves. 312 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:31,425 They see the police bullets going through the car, 313 00:17:31,508 --> 00:17:34,636 and they think they're coming at them from the people within. 314 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,390 They're actually coming from the police on the opposite side of them. 315 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:42,478 Miraculously, of these 137 shots that we know about, 316 00:17:42,561 --> 00:17:44,688 none hit the other police officers. 317 00:17:44,772 --> 00:17:47,107 Many of 'em hit other police cars. 318 00:17:48,692 --> 00:17:52,571 [emotional music playing] 319 00:18:02,706 --> 00:18:05,250 [Schultz] I have spoken to a lot of police officers off the record, 320 00:18:05,334 --> 00:18:07,878 which is the only way they'll talk to you about this. 321 00:18:07,961 --> 00:18:10,589 And the adrenaline rush is considerable. 322 00:18:10,672 --> 00:18:13,884 The camaraderie of the police is very real. 323 00:18:15,177 --> 00:18:19,681 Every story is about the humans in it, and this is a story about human beings. 324 00:18:20,974 --> 00:18:22,392 [reporter 4] {\an8}Union officials say 325 00:18:22,476 --> 00:18:24,728 {\an8}they believe the officers' actions were justified. 326 00:18:24,812 --> 00:18:27,189 They say the suspects should have pulled over, 327 00:18:27,272 --> 00:18:31,443 and added that the prosecutor took months to go over the officers' actions, 328 00:18:31,527 --> 00:18:34,863 when the officers only had seconds to make decisions. 329 00:18:35,614 --> 00:18:39,243 {\an8}"The police formed a circular firing squad." 330 00:18:39,326 --> 00:18:42,121 {\an8}You know? Stop. You're not an activist. 331 00:18:42,204 --> 00:18:46,250 {\an8}You're the prosecutor of the largest county in the state. 332 00:18:52,548 --> 00:18:58,095 The long and the short of it is that a policeman got shot at, you know. 333 00:18:58,178 --> 00:19:01,056 That's the facts that they knew at the time. 334 00:19:02,057 --> 00:19:05,894 Mr. Russell and Malissa, they drive by, 335 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:07,563 cap a round off. 336 00:19:07,646 --> 00:19:10,149 And we're saying "cap a round off" 337 00:19:10,232 --> 00:19:13,235 because police officers know the difference between a backfire 338 00:19:13,318 --> 00:19:14,736 and a gunfire. 339 00:19:16,488 --> 00:19:18,407 It might not be pretty, 340 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:21,034 but it's not a set of circumstances 341 00:19:21,118 --> 00:19:24,163 any of those police officers up there chose to be in. 342 00:19:25,372 --> 00:19:29,376 Tim Russell and Malissa Williams made those choices. 343 00:19:35,257 --> 00:19:38,385 My brother lived with me, off and on, for nine years, 344 00:19:38,468 --> 00:19:40,095 so we were really close. 345 00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:42,097 I know he had issues, 346 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:45,434 {\an8}but it doesn't mean that you're a bad person. 347 00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:49,396 You know, for the most part, he would be clean 348 00:19:49,479 --> 00:19:52,149 for like six, seven years at a time, 349 00:19:52,232 --> 00:19:53,609 and then he would, like… 350 00:19:53,692 --> 00:19:56,028 You know, bad things that happened to him in his life, 351 00:19:56,111 --> 00:20:00,073 and he would wind up doing drugs, but he always came out of that. 352 00:20:00,782 --> 00:20:05,621 The media is trying to make it seem like this was just a no-good drug addict. 353 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:08,790 They were saying he got what he deserved, in so many words. 354 00:20:08,874 --> 00:20:11,001 That's not who he was. 355 00:20:11,585 --> 00:20:13,253 Anybody that knew Tim 356 00:20:14,171 --> 00:20:16,506 was just, like, shocked that this happened to Tim. 357 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,592 'Cause he liked people. He loved people. 358 00:20:18,675 --> 00:20:21,178 -He was really the life of the party. -[laughs] 359 00:20:21,261 --> 00:20:24,765 -Tim would come in a door, bubbly. -[Michelle] But it wasn't just us. It was… 360 00:20:24,848 --> 00:20:27,476 -Just people in general. -Yeah, he would. 361 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:31,647 [Michelle] This is Tim there in the white shirt. He's holding the Bible. 362 00:20:33,607 --> 00:20:35,776 We knew there was never a gun. 363 00:20:35,859 --> 00:20:38,570 That wasn't even a question in my mind. 364 00:20:38,654 --> 00:20:41,907 And then, we all knew that his car backfired, 365 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:44,159 so when they were talking about the gunshot, 366 00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:46,912 we already knew it had to be the backfire. 367 00:20:47,746 --> 00:20:48,747 And it's just… 368 00:20:49,456 --> 00:20:52,125 It's just obvious to me that the police were upset 369 00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:53,835 that they did not pull over. 370 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:59,675 And, by the way, the police union, they knew that there was no gun 371 00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:04,346 because one of the police officers told them the night of the chase 372 00:21:04,429 --> 00:21:08,141 that he witnessed the car backfiring like two or three times, 373 00:21:08,225 --> 00:21:10,102 and he saw the muffler come off or-- 374 00:21:10,185 --> 00:21:15,357 He told the union representative this, and they told him to keep his mouth shut. 375 00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:18,860 This is in the testimonies of the police officers. 376 00:21:18,944 --> 00:21:20,237 {\an8}[groans, sighs] 377 00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:24,241 {\an8}[man 2] What we need to do, since you were the number-one car, 378 00:21:24,324 --> 00:21:26,743 {\an8}is talk about these backfire things. 379 00:21:26,827 --> 00:21:29,496 -Okay. -Okay. I seen it. 380 00:21:29,579 --> 00:21:31,873 There was the flash, okay. The flash of the tailpipe. 381 00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:33,000 Out of the tailpipe, okay. 382 00:21:33,083 --> 00:21:34,876 -Like… Vroom! You know? -Uh-huh. 383 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,046 And then, pop, another backfire, and he took off. 384 00:21:38,130 --> 00:21:41,216 Maybe the backfire started this whole chain of events. 385 00:21:41,717 --> 00:21:44,219 I got nothing to hide. I just wanna do this the right way. 386 00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:46,305 You know what I'm saying? I'm not, you know… 387 00:21:46,388 --> 00:21:48,849 It's… [laughs] You know. 388 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:51,935 -I had to call… I called the union. -Right. 389 00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:54,062 What did the union say when you told them? 390 00:21:54,146 --> 00:21:56,023 They were like, "Keep it to yourself for now." 391 00:21:56,106 --> 00:21:58,608 "Don't go out telling the rest of the world." 392 00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:02,154 "We got other interviews, other witnesses. We're out looking for the gun." 393 00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:06,616 [Michelle] They cornered them in a school parking lot. 394 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,037 Thirteen officers were shooting into the car. 395 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:15,417 {\an8}And then, you wouldn't believe, but one of the officers, Michael Brelo, 396 00:22:16,084 --> 00:22:18,962 {\an8}uh, just like all of 'em, he said that he was scared. 397 00:22:19,463 --> 00:22:20,505 {\an8}I… I don't buy it. 398 00:22:20,589 --> 00:22:23,383 I don't believe he was afraid and so scared, 399 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:25,510 more scared than he'd ever been in his life, 400 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:27,429 when he jumped up on top of the car. 401 00:22:28,513 --> 00:22:31,183 He jumped up on the hood of the car. 402 00:22:32,392 --> 00:22:34,936 [reporter 5] Brelo fired his gun 49 times, 403 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:38,940 standing on the hood of the victims' car while firing the last 15 shots. 404 00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:42,444 [firing] 405 00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:50,410 [sobs] 406 00:22:50,494 --> 00:22:51,828 I've never… [clears throat] 407 00:22:52,496 --> 00:22:53,705 -I'm sorry. -You're fine. 408 00:22:53,789 --> 00:22:56,166 I've never been so afraid in my life, 409 00:22:56,249 --> 00:22:58,043 and I just couldn't understand 410 00:22:58,668 --> 00:23:01,630 why the suspects were moving and still shooting at us. 411 00:23:06,176 --> 00:23:07,677 If he thought they had a gun, 412 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,138 he shouldn't have never jumped on top of the car. 413 00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:12,349 [Michelle] Right. He'd have been afraid of getting shot. 414 00:23:12,432 --> 00:23:16,353 If I was scared, I would've been running. I'd be running the opposite way. 415 00:23:16,436 --> 00:23:18,397 Or you would think, if you jump up there, 416 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,066 one of your fellow officers might shoot you by mistake. 417 00:23:23,652 --> 00:23:27,489 {\an8}As soon as we pulled up, we started hearing shots going off. 418 00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:32,077 I turned and fired two rounds, 419 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,870 and then I stopped firing 420 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:37,165 because I saw somebody jump on the hood of the car. 421 00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:41,670 We'll back up a little bit here. We'll go over some details now. 422 00:23:41,753 --> 00:23:43,004 -Okay? -Yes, sir. 423 00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:44,548 Okay. 424 00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:46,133 Did you see what they were doing? 425 00:23:46,216 --> 00:23:49,261 Yes. They were shooting down into the car. 426 00:23:51,805 --> 00:23:54,933 At some point, did you jump on the suspects' vehicle? 427 00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:59,521 I have no recollection if I did, sir. Absolutely none. 428 00:24:00,647 --> 00:24:04,067 [man 2] You said later on you found out who was up on the hood of the car. 429 00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:06,069 -Yes. -How did you find that out? 430 00:24:06,153 --> 00:24:07,320 Um… 431 00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:09,823 Because he was talking about it. 432 00:24:09,906 --> 00:24:12,367 He was talking about it? Who was that? 433 00:24:12,451 --> 00:24:13,618 Mike Brelo. 434 00:24:14,369 --> 00:24:15,912 I don't recall that, sir. 435 00:24:15,996 --> 00:24:19,249 The shoe prints that were on the top of the suspect vehicle 436 00:24:19,332 --> 00:24:20,834 match your shoe prints. 437 00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:22,252 If… I… 438 00:24:22,335 --> 00:24:24,379 No. I was so in fear of my life. 439 00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:27,674 I mean, I have no recollection of how I got there, sir. 440 00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:33,305 There was no logical explanation to give, so he claimed he didn't recall. 441 00:24:33,388 --> 00:24:36,892 But even if he didn't recall, in actuality it didn't make any difference. 442 00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:39,728 The physical evidence showed he was standing on the hood. 443 00:24:39,811 --> 00:24:42,105 His footprints were on the hood. 444 00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:45,609 It was proven ballistically, scientifically. 445 00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:47,068 Not only the physical evidence 446 00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:50,864 but the evidence of a police officer from another police department. 447 00:24:50,947 --> 00:24:54,784 So it's very important for us to make sure justice is done.+ 448 00:24:54,868 --> 00:24:56,328 [suspenseful music playing] 449 00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:03,418 [reporter 6] Breaking developments {\an8}in that 2012 Cleveland police chase 450 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:04,461 {\an8}and deadly shooting. 451 00:25:04,544 --> 00:25:07,172 Let's go live to the Cuyahoga County Justice Center. 452 00:25:07,255 --> 00:25:10,300 County Prosecutor Tim McGinty is at the podium. 453 00:25:10,383 --> 00:25:11,801 Ladies and gentlemen, 454 00:25:11,885 --> 00:25:15,639 {\an8}the Cuyahoga County grand jury today voted to indict 455 00:25:15,722 --> 00:25:18,266 {\an8}Cleveland police officer Michael Brelo 456 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:19,976 on two counts of manslaughter 457 00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:23,230 for the killing of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams 458 00:25:23,313 --> 00:25:26,107 on November 29th, 2012. 459 00:25:28,276 --> 00:25:31,112 We, the County Prosecutor's Office, did not recommend 460 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:35,784 that the grand jury seek charges against any of the other 12 officers 461 00:25:35,867 --> 00:25:39,955 who took part in an initial barrage of shots upon the car. 462 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:48,755 [woman 3] Sixty-two Cleveland police vehicles got involved in that chase. 463 00:25:49,714 --> 00:25:52,342 They went at speeds over 100 miles per hour. 464 00:25:53,593 --> 00:25:56,471 Thirteen different Cleveland police officers 465 00:25:56,555 --> 00:26:00,141 fired 137 shots into that vehicle. 466 00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:05,814 And only one officer was brought up on a charge of voluntary manslaughter. 467 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:12,737 [James Gutierrez] The perception is that the prosecutor's office 468 00:26:12,821 --> 00:26:14,698 is too close to the police 469 00:26:14,781 --> 00:26:18,076 to do some of these type of use-of-force cases. 470 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,245 I can understand and I can appreciate that. 471 00:26:20,829 --> 00:26:22,414 But the reality is 472 00:26:22,497 --> 00:26:26,209 {\an8}that our office prosecutes police all the time. 473 00:26:26,293 --> 00:26:28,587 {\an8}I'm a prosecutor, okay? 474 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:31,006 That's what I do. I just… I prosecute cases. 475 00:26:31,089 --> 00:26:37,554 I'm not naive to the political or social type of atmosphere we're in, 476 00:26:37,637 --> 00:26:40,223 but I try to not… I don't get involved in that. 477 00:26:42,225 --> 00:26:45,186 [news anchor] Shocking new allegations against the Cleveland police officers 478 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:47,939 involved in the November 2012 police chase and shooting. 479 00:26:48,023 --> 00:26:51,318 Tonight they're being called out by Cuyahoga County prosecutors 480 00:26:51,401 --> 00:26:54,195 {\an8}for refusing to cooperate in a case against one of their own. 481 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:57,741 [reporter 7] And that is why prosecutors filed a motion today, 482 00:26:57,824 --> 00:27:01,578 asking the judge to allow them to treat CPD officers 483 00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:03,663 {\an8}as hostile witnesses. 484 00:27:04,247 --> 00:27:06,499 We ask for a prospective panel in this case 485 00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:08,960 {\an8}who's not been tainted or polluted 486 00:27:09,044 --> 00:27:13,840 {\an8}by the reckless, inappropriate, and false portrayals of the events 487 00:27:13,923 --> 00:27:15,967 as they happened in real time that night, 488 00:27:16,051 --> 00:27:18,261 not based on sound-bite presentation. 489 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:20,680 [reporter 8] Dozens of uniformed Cleveland officers 490 00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:23,600 lined the halls outside the courtroom prior to the arraignments. 491 00:27:23,683 --> 00:27:27,437 {\an8}There's a couple of hundred people here between the fourth floor and downstairs. 492 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,106 {\an8}We're here to show our support for our brother officers. 493 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:35,320 The union representative kept saying that they didn't have family, 494 00:27:35,403 --> 00:27:37,656 they were, um, homeless, 495 00:27:37,739 --> 00:27:40,950 and that, you know, now their family members are coming out of nowhere, 496 00:27:41,034 --> 00:27:43,787 trying to seek and get money 497 00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:45,580 {\an8}for the death of these two people. 498 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,290 {\an8}And it was like, you know… 499 00:27:47,374 --> 00:27:49,584 {\an8}he's saying all this stuff, he doesn't even know. 500 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:51,211 [man 6] This just isn't gonna go away. 501 00:27:51,294 --> 00:27:53,672 And there's no doubt in my mind that we're gonna be attending 502 00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:56,216 some disciplinary hearings out of this. I'm sure of it. 503 00:27:56,966 --> 00:27:58,468 [McGinty] What happened publicly was 504 00:27:58,551 --> 00:28:02,555 the union encouraged people not to cooperate with this investigation, 505 00:28:03,014 --> 00:28:04,849 which I find disgraceful. 506 00:28:06,393 --> 00:28:07,435 And hypocritical. 507 00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:11,564 [reporter 9] A judge set Officer Michael Brelo's trial date for April 6th. 508 00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:15,443 [Loomis] What's gonna happen when Officer Brelo's acquitted? 509 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:17,237 You know, what's he gonna do then? 510 00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:20,115 All he's doing is kicking the can down the road, 511 00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:22,951 saying, "Hey, look, folks. I got him indicted." 512 00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:26,913 The reason he's gonna walk is because he's not guilty of a crime. 513 00:28:35,588 --> 00:28:38,341 [Frazier] I think we are, as a species, 514 00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:41,052 we're moving in the right direction. 515 00:28:41,136 --> 00:28:42,679 I honestly believe that. 516 00:28:44,305 --> 00:28:46,725 What people fail to comprehend 517 00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:49,269 is that cultures change so slowly. 518 00:28:49,352 --> 00:28:51,354 That arc of justice, 519 00:28:51,438 --> 00:28:55,233 it bends, but it bends so, so slow. 520 00:28:55,316 --> 00:28:57,569 Because we're faced with it right now. 521 00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:00,029 It's in our eyes. It's in our face. 522 00:29:00,113 --> 00:29:01,698 Right up close and personal. 523 00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:03,408 We're living it day to day. 524 00:29:10,248 --> 00:29:12,000 [dispatch] {\an8}Cleveland Police, Hollinger. 525 00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:15,754 [caller] I'm sitting {\an8}in the park at West Cudell. 526 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,340 {\an8}And there's a guy with a pistol, you know. 527 00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:22,260 {\an8}It's probably fake, but he's like pointing it at everybody. 528 00:29:22,343 --> 00:29:24,554 {\an8}He's scaring the shit out of people. 529 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:29,601 {\an8}We were waiting to find out what was gonna happen in the Brelo case. 530 00:29:29,684 --> 00:29:31,186 {\an8}Would there be justice? 531 00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:34,773 And then we find out that a 12-year-old boy 532 00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:37,358 waving an air gun in a community park 533 00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:38,860 was shot dead. 534 00:29:41,237 --> 00:29:42,739 [dispatcher] {\an8}Is he Black or white? 535 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:45,909 -[caller] I'm sorry? -[dispatch]{\an8} Is he Black or white? 536 00:29:46,576 --> 00:29:50,163 [caller] He's Black. {\an8}He's probably a juvenile, you know? 537 00:29:50,246 --> 00:29:52,248 [dispatcher] Okay, we'll send a car. Thank you. 538 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,794 And the first time you see it… 539 00:29:56,294 --> 00:29:57,462 I'll never forget. 540 00:29:57,545 --> 00:30:00,590 I was actually sitting with my husband. 541 00:30:00,673 --> 00:30:02,467 "Oh my God!" 542 00:30:02,550 --> 00:30:05,220 [dispatcher] Young male sitting on a swing pointing a gun at people. 543 00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:14,687 [gunshots] 544 00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:21,486 [officer 8]{\an8} We need EMS here right away. 545 00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:25,865 [girl] Oh my God, my brother! 546 00:30:25,949 --> 00:30:27,867 [boy] Oh, they just killed her brother. 547 00:30:27,951 --> 00:30:30,286 [officer 9] Shots fired. Male down. 548 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:32,622 Black male. Maybe 20. 549 00:30:33,581 --> 00:30:35,875 Black revolver, black handgun by him… 550 00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:38,002 [Shultz] Less than two seconds after they pull up, 551 00:30:38,086 --> 00:30:40,255 Tamir Rice, he is on the ground. 552 00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:42,340 And we're supposed to believe 553 00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:45,134 that those two police officers feared for their life. 554 00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:56,437 [reporter 10] The issue of police shooting once again front and center in Cleveland… 555 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:57,939 [reporter 11] In Cleveland today, 556 00:30:58,022 --> 00:31:01,568 a Black child shot by a white police officer was laid… 557 00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:05,697 [Barack Obama] I hope we don't fall into the typical patterns that occur 558 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:09,284 after these kinds of incidents occur. 559 00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:13,413 It starts dividing people instead of bringing folks together. 560 00:31:14,122 --> 00:31:16,165 [indistinct conversations] 561 00:31:26,634 --> 00:31:29,846 I ask God to let me use my words wisely. 562 00:31:29,929 --> 00:31:32,599 I don't wanna speak recklessly about anyone. 563 00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:35,894 But for those whom it apply, 564 00:31:35,977 --> 00:31:40,940 please go down on your knees to God and ask forgiveness for what you've done, 565 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:44,777 if you were reckless and stupid and just plain old evil 566 00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:47,572 when you pulled up into this parking lot that day 567 00:31:47,655 --> 00:31:49,616 and shot a 12-year-old. 568 00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:54,078 God, I ask you to remind Mr. McGinty and all of those involved 569 00:31:54,162 --> 00:31:58,708 that if Tamir had an end date at only 12 years old, 570 00:31:58,791 --> 00:32:03,129 that no man knows the date, the hour or the time of God's coming, 571 00:32:03,212 --> 00:32:06,090 and you don't know the day of your departure. 572 00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:09,594 But Tamir was blameless, and his soul went to heaven. 573 00:32:12,639 --> 00:32:15,224 And I can hear Tamir the last couple of years. 574 00:32:15,308 --> 00:32:17,769 He brung joy into our life. 575 00:32:17,852 --> 00:32:23,149 She raised Tamir to be the kindest, most helpful, and sweetest young man. 576 00:32:24,692 --> 00:32:27,195 It is not justifiable, 577 00:32:27,278 --> 00:32:30,823 {\an8}two officers rushing up on my child like that. 578 00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:35,828 There definitely need to be some reform with the law-enforcement system, period, 579 00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:37,121 across the nation. 580 00:32:37,205 --> 00:32:38,081 Like… 581 00:32:38,581 --> 00:32:40,625 All of these shootings, just… 582 00:32:41,876 --> 00:32:46,506 I done heard stories of people sitting 18 years, waiting for justice. 583 00:32:46,589 --> 00:32:48,633 Twenty years waiting for justice. 584 00:32:49,133 --> 00:32:50,510 When do they heal? 585 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,806 Accountability. That's all we want. 586 00:32:55,556 --> 00:32:56,975 Accountability. 587 00:33:00,269 --> 00:33:06,609 [all singing] ♪ All in my heart {\an8}I'm gonna let it shine ♪ 588 00:33:06,693 --> 00:33:12,073 {\an8}♪ Let it shine Let it shine, let it shine ♪ 589 00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:22,834 [reporter 12] In the hours, now 24 hours, since this, 590 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:24,502 {\an8}do you worry about the protests? 591 00:33:24,585 --> 00:33:26,879 {\an8}No, I don't worry about protest. People have a right. 592 00:33:26,963 --> 00:33:28,214 {\an8}I mean, people have a right. 593 00:33:28,297 --> 00:33:32,468 People have a legitimate sense of injustice. 594 00:33:32,969 --> 00:33:35,888 {\an8}The police shootings are the most obvious things 595 00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:37,807 {\an8}because it happened. 596 00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:40,727 But it's not just the criminal justice system. 597 00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:43,229 It is a lack of justice, 598 00:33:43,312 --> 00:33:46,858 in terms of social, economic, and political. 599 00:33:46,941 --> 00:33:49,318 And it's legitimate. It's legitimate. 600 00:33:50,069 --> 00:33:52,196 What are you saying today to the family? 601 00:33:52,947 --> 00:33:54,949 A 12-year-old lost his life. 602 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:57,910 What can I say to a mother? 603 00:33:58,911 --> 00:34:04,459 There's nothing that anybody in this room or I can… is sufficient enough 604 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:06,294 to deal with the grief 605 00:34:07,086 --> 00:34:09,797 that a mother has for losing a child. 606 00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:13,217 Chief, you wanna add? 607 00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:16,637 We'll commence with the Critical Incident Review Committee, 608 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,556 {\an8}and we anticipate 609 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,350 {\an8}it's definitely gonna take a shorter time frame 610 00:34:21,434 --> 00:34:24,854 {\an8}than the review of the 13 shooters in the pursuit case. 611 00:34:24,937 --> 00:34:28,066 [woman 6] This Critical Incident Committee that you're talking about, who's on it? 612 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,026 We'll get you that list. We'll get you the list. 613 00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:32,236 [woman 6] But it is an internal investigation? 614 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,446 Somewhat, yes. 615 00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:35,573 So somebody looking from the outside might say, 616 00:34:35,656 --> 00:34:37,950 "How independent can an internal investigation be?" 617 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:40,953 There are civilians on the Critical Incident Review Committee. 618 00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:45,666 Mayor, do you think racial bias plays a role in your police department? 619 00:34:46,626 --> 00:34:52,048 So, of course, overlaying this theme is the whole context of race. 620 00:34:52,131 --> 00:34:53,466 We are in America. 621 00:34:59,013 --> 00:35:04,185 [Frazier] Is that fair that Black parents have to tell their kids, in America, 622 00:35:04,268 --> 00:35:06,729 "Be careful 'cause there's somebody out to hurt you." 623 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:09,190 That "You must be held to another standard." 624 00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:11,317 "You must carry yourself in another way." 625 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,904 "Because you're Black, you can get shot real easy." 626 00:35:14,987 --> 00:35:17,865 Is that a fair way to run a country? 627 00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:23,037 [Loomis] I am the president of 628 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:25,164 the Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association. 629 00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:31,712 And what we do is we make sure that the members of the police department 630 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:35,258 {\an8}are defended if they're accused of something. 631 00:35:37,093 --> 00:35:39,554 You're old enough to understand why a police department 632 00:35:39,637 --> 00:35:41,305 is important to the city, right? 633 00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:44,058 You know, you can't have criminals running the street. 634 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,643 You can't have people doing… 635 00:35:45,726 --> 00:35:49,105 We're a society of laws and rules, just like you have here in the school. 636 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:53,442 You think it's fair that someone comes in your yard and takes your bike? 637 00:35:53,526 --> 00:35:54,527 [kids] No. 638 00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:55,444 [Loomis] No. 639 00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,572 [woman 7] Makes you a little angry, doesn't it? 640 00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,032 Don't you think they should be held accountable? 641 00:36:00,616 --> 00:36:02,160 It's all about accountability. 642 00:36:02,243 --> 00:36:05,413 You know? Make sure people are held accountable for their actions. 643 00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:10,168 [Loomis] Any question that you have. Any question that you have, 644 00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:13,337 Lisa and I will answer as honestly as we can. 645 00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:21,179 Somebody's gotta have a question. Any topic. 646 00:36:21,262 --> 00:36:24,765 [woman 7] I know it'll come up, and I'll just… I'll break it open. 647 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:25,850 Tamir. 648 00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:28,311 Tamir was at the park. 649 00:36:29,395 --> 00:36:33,900 He's doing wrong. I mean, it's clear on video that, in my opinion… 650 00:36:33,983 --> 00:36:36,986 If you want to play cops and robbers, you should play it in your own yard, 651 00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:39,989 not at the park where people are gonna panic. Right? 652 00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:41,282 But… 653 00:36:41,365 --> 00:36:44,619 [Frazier] The job of the police union is to protect the rights of police. 654 00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:48,998 And I'm a… I'm a union man in a union town. 655 00:36:50,082 --> 00:36:53,461 Where it goes off the rail is that they protect wrongdoing. 656 00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:55,463 [woman 7] …and you know you're doing it. 657 00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:57,882 [Frazier] It's obvious what's on the tape, 658 00:36:57,965 --> 00:37:02,637 but you will get people coming in saying, "You didn't see what you thought you saw." 659 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,431 It's like, "Do you wanna believe me or your lying eyes?" 660 00:37:05,514 --> 00:37:06,515 Exactly. Yeah, exactly. 661 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:07,767 [woman 7] ... for the gun. 662 00:37:08,517 --> 00:37:09,560 [Loomis] Yes, ma'am. 663 00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:11,062 Some of our students have concerns 664 00:37:11,145 --> 00:37:15,274 that it's an us-versus-them type deal with the police. 665 00:37:15,358 --> 00:37:17,276 Citizens versus officers. 666 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,489 [Loomis] Um… Yeah, I… I pray that you don't have that, 667 00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:24,784 and I can tell you, without doubt, that that's not what it is. 668 00:37:24,867 --> 00:37:26,410 We're part of the community. 669 00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:28,412 We're out here. We're out here for you guys. 670 00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:30,539 We have deep concerns about some of the stuff 671 00:37:30,623 --> 00:37:32,333 that we see going on out here, 672 00:37:32,416 --> 00:37:34,210 and we're out here trying to make it better. 673 00:37:34,293 --> 00:37:35,586 So it's not us against them. 674 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:39,882 And if we don't do everything in our power to fight against this false… 675 00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:42,218 I'll call it a false narrative that's out there 676 00:37:42,301 --> 00:37:44,428 because that's not the truth. 677 00:37:45,471 --> 00:37:48,349 Every cop in a beat 678 00:37:48,432 --> 00:37:52,770 should know the kids on his beat. 679 00:37:52,853 --> 00:37:55,398 Now, you haven't got to know five- and six-year-olds, 680 00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:59,986 but every teenager, you know, 12, 13, 14-year-old. 681 00:38:00,069 --> 00:38:02,655 The cops should have pulled up and said, 682 00:38:02,738 --> 00:38:04,782 "Hey, Tamir. What are you doing?" 683 00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:08,869 He should have known the kid, and… and Tamir should have known him. 684 00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:11,205 That's true community policing. 685 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:12,623 But here's the thing. 686 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:15,501 That's not the type of policing 687 00:38:15,584 --> 00:38:19,297 that people like the police union's president… 688 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:22,675 He said, "Our guys don't believe in community policing." 689 00:38:22,758 --> 00:38:26,178 Well… And that cuts to the heart of the matter. 690 00:38:26,262 --> 00:38:31,183 Who runs the country? Do they take orders, or do they make the rules? 691 00:38:31,267 --> 00:38:33,269 [crowd chanting] 692 00:38:33,853 --> 00:38:36,897 This whole damn system is guilty as hell! 693 00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:40,943 Indict, convict, send those killer cops to jail! 694 00:38:41,027 --> 00:38:44,488 The whole damn system is guilty as hell… 695 00:38:44,572 --> 00:38:48,701 Indict, convict, send those killer cops to jail! 696 00:38:48,784 --> 00:38:52,371 The whole damn system is guilty as hell! 697 00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:54,415 Indict! Convict! 698 00:38:54,498 --> 00:38:56,459 Send those killer cops to jail! 699 00:38:56,542 --> 00:38:58,169 The whole damn system… 700 00:38:58,252 --> 00:39:00,838 [man 7] Ten years ago, the Department of Justice was here  701 00:39:00,921 --> 00:39:03,215 {\an8}investigating the Cleveland Police Department. 702 00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:06,385 {\an8}And ten years later, they're here again. 703 00:39:06,969 --> 00:39:10,264 They were looking at issues of use of force back then, 704 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:13,184 and they're reviewing the exact same issues today. 705 00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:17,021 This is one of the poorest cities in the country. 706 00:39:17,104 --> 00:39:22,360 However, we spend millions of dollars behind the scenes, 707 00:39:22,443 --> 00:39:26,030 paying families because of officers' negligence. 708 00:39:26,113 --> 00:39:28,574 [applause] 709 00:39:28,657 --> 00:39:30,576 I come before you right now, Holy Spirit, 710 00:39:30,659 --> 00:39:33,579 that these people who are here will hear our voices. 711 00:39:33,662 --> 00:39:37,833 The lives of Black people mean nothing to those that sit on top of this empire. 712 00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:39,377 Now I'm scared. 713 00:39:39,460 --> 00:39:41,545 I'm scared for my boys. 714 00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:44,256 In an age when technology is at its peak, 715 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:46,175 how could the communication be so bad 716 00:39:46,258 --> 00:39:48,469 between dispatch and an officer on the scene 717 00:39:48,552 --> 00:39:51,222 that they don't know the caller said it was a fake gun 718 00:39:51,305 --> 00:39:53,099 and that the kid was a juvenile? 719 00:39:53,182 --> 00:39:54,517 Okay? 720 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,768 And that Timothy and Malissa, 721 00:39:55,851 --> 00:39:57,812 with all the discipline you guys handed down, 722 00:39:57,895 --> 00:39:59,647 you still think you did nothing wrong. 723 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:03,484 You had 63 officers suspended, nine supervisors demoted, 724 00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:06,946 one supervisor fired, one guy's on trial for his life, 725 00:40:07,029 --> 00:40:09,448 and you wanna stand here with a straight face and talk about 726 00:40:09,532 --> 00:40:12,368 fixing community relations between the police and the community. 727 00:40:12,451 --> 00:40:14,203 -I don't see it happening. -[crowd applauding] 728 00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:18,791 [suspenseful music playing] 729 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,425 [reporter 13] After more than two years, 730 00:40:27,508 --> 00:40:30,177 {\an8}the case of a deadly police chase and shooting 731 00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:31,762 finally heads to court. 732 00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:35,808 [reporter 14] Thirty-one-year-old Michael Brelo 733 00:40:35,891 --> 00:40:37,685 faces up to 25 years in prison, 734 00:40:37,768 --> 00:40:40,312 is not expected to testify at this trial, 735 00:40:40,396 --> 00:40:42,857 and a judge will decide this case. 736 00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:49,238 [Judge O'Donnell] We're here in the case of State of Ohio v. Michael Brelo. 737 00:40:49,321 --> 00:40:52,241 This is case number 580457. 738 00:40:52,324 --> 00:40:54,618 {\an8}We're here for trial. All participants are present. 739 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:56,620 {\an8}I'll be happy to hear an opening statement. 740 00:40:57,913 --> 00:41:01,041 [Gutierrez] In this state, the defendant has a unilateral right 741 00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:04,503 {\an8}to go in front of a particular judge, and not have a jury. 742 00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:08,632 {\an8}Generally speaking, when defense attorneys do that, 743 00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:12,636 they usually wanna take the emotion out of the case 744 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,598 because judges are not gonna have the emotional tug or pull 745 00:41:15,681 --> 00:41:17,016 that you have with a jury. 746 00:41:17,641 --> 00:41:21,270 {\an8}They are not here to tell us what happened that night from their perspective. 747 00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:26,108 And the evidence will show that they died that night 748 00:41:26,192 --> 00:41:27,693 after a harrowing chase, 749 00:41:28,527 --> 00:41:30,321 and in a hailstorm of bullets, 750 00:41:30,821 --> 00:41:35,659 49 of which were fired by defendant Brelo. 751 00:41:38,078 --> 00:41:40,831 [D'Angelo] Your Honor, the State paints 752 00:41:40,915 --> 00:41:43,792 a very sympathetic picture of the two occupants, 753 00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:47,796 in their effort to recast what happened that night, 754 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,090 but you'll hear testimony from Dr. Felo 755 00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:53,344 {\an8}that both occupants, because of their toxicology levels, 756 00:41:53,427 --> 00:41:56,263 {\an8}were smoking crack throughout the course of this pursuit. 757 00:41:57,014 --> 00:42:00,267 Officers broadcasted that they thought they saw a weapon, 758 00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:04,855 and they made those perceptions, Your Honor, irrespective of skin color. 759 00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:07,191 He did it out of fear 760 00:42:07,274 --> 00:42:09,777 and out of perception that they were taking gunfire. 761 00:42:09,860 --> 00:42:11,445 [O'Donnell] Thank you, Mr. D'Angelo. 762 00:42:14,865 --> 00:42:16,534 [Alfredo] My name is Alfredo Williams. 763 00:42:18,118 --> 00:42:19,870 Malissa's my sister. 764 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:24,124 {\an8}A lot of stuff in this case was covered up. 765 00:42:24,792 --> 00:42:27,753 See, they… This whole story wasn't told right. 766 00:42:28,379 --> 00:42:29,588 Wasn't told right. 767 00:42:31,340 --> 00:42:34,134 Before the incident started, 768 00:42:34,218 --> 00:42:37,346 one of the cops abused my sister. 769 00:42:39,056 --> 00:42:40,641 {\an8}Let's hear your full name, sir. 770 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:42,893 {\an8}John Jordan. 771 00:42:43,477 --> 00:42:45,604 {\an8}What was your assignment that night? 772 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:47,273 [Jordan] Plain clothes. 773 00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:50,943 What we do is we look for drugs, 774 00:42:51,026 --> 00:42:52,570 crack, everything. 775 00:42:52,653 --> 00:42:54,113 -Vice stuff? -Yeah, vice stuff. 776 00:42:54,196 --> 00:42:55,030 Okay. 777 00:42:56,323 --> 00:42:57,700 {\an8}[Alfredo] Down at Bishop Cosgrove 778 00:42:57,783 --> 00:43:00,244 {\an8}is a homeless place where they feed people. 779 00:43:00,327 --> 00:43:01,704 They give 'em housing. 780 00:43:02,746 --> 00:43:05,457 Cops, they're always around there in plain clothes. 781 00:43:05,541 --> 00:43:08,460 They be jumping on the homeless, planting stuff on 'em. 782 00:43:08,544 --> 00:43:12,006 Stems, rocks, all that crazy crap, man. 783 00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:14,341 Just some dirty cops. 784 00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:19,430 [Ebony Hall] Do you know what? I know Malissa wanted to get high. 785 00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:23,183 And when I see Malissa getting in the back seat, 786 00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,352 I said, "Malissa, get out that car." 787 00:43:26,645 --> 00:43:31,108 And then that's when I've seen Jordan. He came around. 788 00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:34,778 [Fishbourne] Malissa came out and went to call my name. 789 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:37,489 I said, "Don't call my name in front of Jordan." 790 00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:40,200 "He's the type that like to beat the homeless." 791 00:43:40,284 --> 00:43:41,493 "That's his MO." 792 00:43:42,244 --> 00:43:43,996 [Jordan] Everybody over there, they know me. 793 00:43:44,705 --> 00:43:46,081 You know, they know Jordan. 794 00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:48,167 So I pulled behind the car. 795 00:43:50,377 --> 00:43:52,504 {\an8}I saw the car was taking off, 796 00:43:52,588 --> 00:43:54,840 {\an8}so I said, "Okay, let me follow 'em, 797 00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:58,927 to see if I get any probable cause to stop." 798 00:43:59,011 --> 00:44:01,889 So he turned on 18th and St. Clair. 799 00:44:02,598 --> 00:44:05,476 He didn't use his blinker, so I was like, "I got him." 800 00:44:08,187 --> 00:44:11,440 It was this undercover cop that initially tried to stop them. 801 00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:13,942 [McGinty] It was over a turn-signal violation. 802 00:44:14,026 --> 00:44:16,570 That's what the chase was all about. 803 00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:17,655 [Jordan] I'm by myself. 804 00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:19,865 I open my doors, and I tell the driver, 805 00:44:19,948 --> 00:44:21,367 "Let me see your hands." 806 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,871 It was two people. So I was… He was like this. 807 00:44:25,954 --> 00:44:29,792 Then the passenger just turned around. Then she just started screaming. 808 00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:34,797 Like, "Officer, why you stopping me? Why you stop us? We didn't do anything." 809 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,507 So I saw something in her hand. 810 00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:39,802 It looked like it was silver and red maybe. 811 00:44:39,885 --> 00:44:42,638 But she was just doing like… I was like, "Man." 812 00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:45,891 "I'm not gonna go up to this car. I don't have no vest on." 813 00:44:45,974 --> 00:44:47,434 "And she acting crazy." 814 00:44:47,518 --> 00:44:51,355 Got back in the car, turned my overheads off. 815 00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:53,065 Took off. They took off. 816 00:44:53,982 --> 00:44:56,860 [Michelle] We don't know what happened in that initial stop. 817 00:44:56,944 --> 00:45:00,864 We don't know, but they took off like their lives were in jeopardy. 818 00:45:02,157 --> 00:45:04,243 That's why they were speeding by the police department 819 00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:05,577 where the backfire took place. 820 00:45:06,328 --> 00:45:07,204 [engine accelerates] 821 00:45:07,287 --> 00:45:08,122 [loud bang] 822 00:45:10,582 --> 00:45:14,461 I think Timothy was protecting her, trying to get her away from the cops 823 00:45:14,545 --> 00:45:16,547 'cause they've been messing with Malissa. 824 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,424 Everybody had told us that. 825 00:45:18,507 --> 00:45:20,134 And Timothy was protecting her 826 00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:22,678 because they was peekin' with her two days ago. 827 00:45:22,761 --> 00:45:25,514 They've been peekin' with the homeless, the shelter people, all day long 828 00:45:25,597 --> 00:45:28,392 'cause they think they not nothing. They are somebody. 829 00:45:28,475 --> 00:45:30,978 And they need to be protected from them cops down there. 830 00:45:31,061 --> 00:45:32,020 [crowd clapping] 831 00:45:32,104 --> 00:45:35,149 [reporter 15] Security cameras caught Russell and Williams 832 00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:37,818 being pulled over by a Cleveland police officer. 833 00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:41,196 {\an8}Investigators asked him about pulling them over. 834 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,657 {\an8}He apparently told them, on at least two occasions, 835 00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:44,867 {\an8}that had never happened. 836 00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:47,911 {\an8}So then they showed him the video tape. 837 00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:50,456 {\an8}Then the officer said, yes, he did pull them over. 838 00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:53,959 {\an8}Now, why did he lie to investigators? That, we don't know. 839 00:45:55,919 --> 00:45:58,464 See, it's a lot wasn't told 840 00:45:59,089 --> 00:46:01,383 at this… at trial. 841 00:46:04,386 --> 00:46:05,888 [bailiff] Sir, please raise your hand. 842 00:46:06,388 --> 00:46:09,683 Do you solemnly swear to testify to the truth, so help you God? 843 00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,018 -Yes, sir. -[bailiff] Thank you. 844 00:46:11,101 --> 00:46:13,771 Kindly have a seat here. Please speak into the microphone. 845 00:46:13,854 --> 00:46:15,939 [O'Donnell] Could you please state your full name 846 00:46:16,023 --> 00:46:17,858 and spell your last name for the record? 847 00:46:17,941 --> 00:46:21,278 John Jordan. Last name is J-O-R-D-A-N. 848 00:46:21,945 --> 00:46:24,782 [Alfredo] This cop, he's a Black cop. 849 00:46:25,491 --> 00:46:30,245 Malissa was beaten up by the same cop. 850 00:46:33,373 --> 00:46:37,085 Well, the first officer wasn't on trial, but he did not follow the rules either. 851 00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:41,173 In the first place, are you allowed, in the unmarked car, 852 00:46:41,256 --> 00:46:43,008 to make a traffic stop? 853 00:46:44,426 --> 00:46:46,428 It's not a written rule, 854 00:46:46,512 --> 00:46:51,099 but if they do a traffic stop in front of you, you can stop the car. 855 00:46:52,893 --> 00:46:56,480 [McGinty] If he would have done his job, the chase wouldn't have happened. 856 00:46:57,147 --> 00:47:00,526 But to charge him would have been the only police officer, 857 00:47:00,609 --> 00:47:02,903 Black police officer, really involved in the case. 858 00:47:04,029 --> 00:47:06,406 [Schultz] The thing that Officer John Jordan does illustrate 859 00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:10,327 is that there was a culture of not abiding by the rules. 860 00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:12,621 That there are too many moments 861 00:47:12,704 --> 00:47:15,249 where they decided that their own personal judgment 862 00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:18,710 was better than what protocol was put into place for them to follow. 863 00:47:19,461 --> 00:47:23,423 [Gutierrez] All right, so when did you find out that the car that you pulled over 864 00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:26,426 was the one being chased by the police that night? 865 00:47:26,927 --> 00:47:28,846 On the news the next morning. 866 00:47:28,929 --> 00:47:30,931 {\an8}[Gutierrez] And, sir, when you went to the station, 867 00:47:31,014 --> 00:47:33,350 {\an8}and everybody knew that you had been involved, 868 00:47:33,433 --> 00:47:35,644 {\an8}did you get any grief from the other officers? 869 00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:37,104 A little. 870 00:47:37,187 --> 00:47:38,981 [Gutierrez] What was the nature of that grief? 871 00:47:39,064 --> 00:47:41,650 What I shouldn't have did, or what I should have did. 872 00:47:41,733 --> 00:47:44,069 [Gutierrez] And how do you feel about that? 873 00:47:45,946 --> 00:47:48,073 Took it on the chin, but I felt sad. 874 00:47:50,826 --> 00:47:51,952 Feel sad now. 875 00:47:53,161 --> 00:47:55,747 [Michelle] Most people respect officers and believe they're credible 876 00:47:55,831 --> 00:47:58,458 and they're gonna be forthcoming and honest, 877 00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:03,088 but now it's being shown that these officers are lying. 878 00:48:03,171 --> 00:48:07,968 And then they all went in the depositions and said the exact same thing? 879 00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:10,429 "Oh, I was so scared. I never been so scared in my life." 880 00:48:10,512 --> 00:48:12,097 They all said it the same way. 881 00:48:12,723 --> 00:48:15,934 What was your, uh, state of mind as you were on the scene? 882 00:48:16,018 --> 00:48:18,520 I was scared shitless. [chuckles] 883 00:48:18,604 --> 00:48:21,481 I was in fear of my life. I was in fear of my partner's life. 884 00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:23,609 -And were you afraid? -I was. 885 00:48:23,692 --> 00:48:26,570 Anything you think we need to know that we didn't ask you? 886 00:48:28,196 --> 00:48:30,532 -Nothing I can think of. -No? Okay. 887 00:48:32,701 --> 00:48:35,662 -Scared to death? -Scared, yeah. Definitely scared. 888 00:48:36,955 --> 00:48:38,290 This is something more 889 00:48:38,373 --> 00:48:42,502 than just Brelo shooting at them and getting on the car incident. 890 00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:46,173 It's a cultural thing within the Cleveland Police Department. 891 00:48:46,256 --> 00:48:47,507 The blue wall. 892 00:48:48,133 --> 00:48:49,718 Nobody in that police department 893 00:48:49,801 --> 00:48:52,512 is gonna come forward and say what actually really happened. 894 00:48:54,848 --> 00:48:57,726 [O'Donnell] State your full name and spell your last name for the record. 895 00:48:57,809 --> 00:49:02,397 [Demchak] It's Michael Demchak. D as in Dan, E-M-C-H-A-K. 896 00:49:02,481 --> 00:49:05,943 {\an8}[Gutierrez] Were you working on the night of November 29th, 2012? 897 00:49:06,026 --> 00:49:07,736 {\an8}-Yes, I was. -[Gutierrez] Okay. 898 00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:14,576 Did there come a point in time where you were involved in the pursuit? 899 00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:20,290 On advice of my counsel, I am invoking my right to remain silent. 900 00:49:24,002 --> 00:49:26,088 [Gutierrez] Judge, we believe at this point in time, 901 00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:29,508 this is exactly what the State has been talking about, the blue wall. 902 00:49:29,591 --> 00:49:31,760 This individual will not come and testify. 903 00:49:31,843 --> 00:49:35,639 He's a police officer. His loyalty should be to the citizens of… 904 00:49:35,722 --> 00:49:37,641 We were trying to make a point. 905 00:49:38,183 --> 00:49:40,602 Whether it was legitimate or not, I don't know. 906 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:43,313 But police officers have their Fifth Amendment rights. 907 00:49:43,397 --> 00:49:45,148 Simple as that. Just like we do. 908 00:49:45,232 --> 00:49:47,359 -…I'll tell you that. Jim. -Well… 909 00:49:47,442 --> 00:49:51,446 {\an8}If I may, I would just like to object to Mr. Gutierrez's remarks 910 00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:53,991 and move that they be stricken, relative to blue wall 911 00:49:54,074 --> 00:49:57,327 and setting up this argument in the midst of this trial. 912 00:49:58,495 --> 00:49:59,413 [O'Donnell] Noted. 913 00:49:59,913 --> 00:50:02,874 Now, my boss, Mr. McGinty didn't like that, but… 914 00:50:03,959 --> 00:50:06,211 As the County Prosecutor, can I make a statement? 915 00:50:06,294 --> 00:50:08,547 I haven't said a word in this trial, I'd like to now. 916 00:50:09,131 --> 00:50:11,508 Your ruling will result in all police officers, 917 00:50:11,591 --> 00:50:12,968 and then all witnesses, 918 00:50:13,051 --> 00:50:15,804 if you're thinking, as you're espousing now, follow, 919 00:50:15,887 --> 00:50:19,016 then all witnesses will demand immunity before they come in. 920 00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:22,561 It won't end with this. It will end with every police officer. 921 00:50:22,644 --> 00:50:26,231 We need his testimony in this trial. We're asking for his testimony. 922 00:50:26,314 --> 00:50:29,401 We're asking for the truth. That is his duty as a police officer. 923 00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:32,863 {\an8}If their requests 924 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:36,324 {\an8}to assert the Fifth are granted, 925 00:50:36,408 --> 00:50:40,120 {\an8}how can you say that will result in all witnesses in every case 926 00:50:40,704 --> 00:50:42,205 {\an8}being able to assert the Fifth? 927 00:50:42,289 --> 00:50:43,665 {\an8}[McGinty] Well, you watch it, Judge. 928 00:50:43,749 --> 00:50:46,084 Watch every single police officer from this point want the Fifth. 929 00:50:46,168 --> 00:50:47,294 We've already had two others. 930 00:50:47,377 --> 00:50:49,755 I've never seen this in 40 years around here. 931 00:50:49,838 --> 00:50:51,631 That police have taken the Fifth 932 00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:53,884 on an investigation of a fellow police officer 933 00:50:53,967 --> 00:50:55,302 who jumped up on a hood… 934 00:50:55,385 --> 00:50:57,679 Every one of 'em knows it's wrong, what happened. 935 00:50:57,763 --> 00:51:01,058 Jump up on a hood and clip two people in a car, unarmed. 936 00:51:01,141 --> 00:51:03,602 They knew, from that moment it happened, they were in trouble. 937 00:51:04,978 --> 00:51:07,272 They knew it, from the dispatcher to the police at the scene. 938 00:51:07,355 --> 00:51:09,816 And they didn't tell people. This has been our whole argument. 939 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,653 They didn't tell the investigators until it was forced on 'em. 940 00:51:14,946 --> 00:51:18,283 [Loomis] This whole thing reeks of politics. Reeks of politics. 941 00:51:18,366 --> 00:51:22,162 I asked Prosecutor McGinty. I says, "Who are you tap-dancing for here?" 942 00:51:24,081 --> 00:51:28,585 {\an8}Your, uh, request to the court now, Mr. Gutierrez, 943 00:51:28,668 --> 00:51:31,630 {\an8}is to order him to answer the question? 944 00:51:31,713 --> 00:51:34,091 -Correct, Your Honor. -Right. I decline. 945 00:51:34,174 --> 00:51:35,217 Uh… 946 00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:36,885 Okay. 947 00:51:37,552 --> 00:51:40,555 Uh, thank you. You're welcome to depart at this point. 948 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:41,723 -Okay, thank you. 949 00:51:43,058 --> 00:51:45,685 [McGinty] You tell the truth. That's what a good police officer does. 950 00:51:45,769 --> 00:51:48,021 Even if it's against another police officer. 951 00:51:48,772 --> 00:51:52,025 It made them look like they operate on a double standard. 952 00:51:52,943 --> 00:51:55,779 If it's a policeman being accused, they won't cooperate, 953 00:51:55,862 --> 00:51:59,157 and they refuse to do their duty and tell the truth and testify. 954 00:52:00,575 --> 00:52:02,702 The Fifth Amendment was simply a cover. 955 00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:05,747 [suspenseful music playing] 956 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:15,507 [Richard Bell] Your Honor, the State was going to call to the stand 957 00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:19,886 five supervisors, uh, one after another, at this point. 958 00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:23,265 Each of them will be invoking their Fifth Amendment rights, Your Honor. 959 00:52:26,184 --> 00:52:28,186 [O'Donnell] Well, I will say this then. 960 00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:30,939 I see all of them present with their lawyers. 961 00:52:31,022 --> 00:52:34,317 -Mr. Spellacy, you represent Coleman? -That's correct, Judge. 962 00:52:34,401 --> 00:52:36,486 -[O'Donnell] And she is present? -She is, Your Honor. 963 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:39,197 [O'Donnell] If she were called to the stand, would she testify? 964 00:52:39,281 --> 00:52:41,908 Judge, she would exercise her Fifth Amendment right. 965 00:52:41,992 --> 00:52:44,494 [O'Donnell] Is that a sufficient record for you, Mr. Bell? 966 00:52:44,578 --> 00:52:45,579 [Bell] Yes, Your Honor. 967 00:52:45,662 --> 00:52:51,001 [O'Donnell] Ms. Gragel, uh, you represent Mr. Donegan? 968 00:52:51,084 --> 00:52:52,002 I do, Your Honor. 969 00:52:52,085 --> 00:52:53,795 [O'Donnell] I see he is present. Am I right? 970 00:52:53,879 --> 00:52:54,754 Yes. 971 00:52:54,838 --> 00:52:57,215 [O'Donnell] If he were called to the stand, would he testify? 972 00:52:57,299 --> 00:52:59,551 He would not. He would assert his Fifth Amendment right. 973 00:52:59,634 --> 00:53:02,345 -[O'Donnell] Sufficient record, Mr. Bell? -Yes, Your Honor. Thank you. 974 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:05,348 [O'Donnell] If Mr. Dailey were called to the stand, would he testify? 975 00:53:05,432 --> 00:53:07,726 No, Your Honor. He'd use his Fifth Amendment right. 976 00:53:07,809 --> 00:53:11,396 [O'Donnell] Mr. D'Angelo or Mack or Shaughnessy, 977 00:53:11,479 --> 00:53:15,734 do you think something else should be done to make an adequate record? 978 00:53:16,818 --> 00:53:17,903 No, Your Honor. 979 00:53:17,986 --> 00:53:20,322 [O'Donnell] Thank you. For the moment, we're off the record. 980 00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:21,615 So we'll stay off the record… 981 00:53:21,698 --> 00:53:23,491 [McGinty] It is a shameful day 982 00:53:24,409 --> 00:53:28,038 when police officers involved in a case 983 00:53:28,121 --> 00:53:31,416 step up on the stand and take the Fifth Amendment, 984 00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:32,876 refuse to cooperate. 985 00:53:34,294 --> 00:53:35,795 [Schultz] Just think about that. 986 00:53:35,879 --> 00:53:38,381 Police officers are at the scene of the crime. 987 00:53:38,965 --> 00:53:40,467 You want to be able to count on them 988 00:53:40,550 --> 00:53:42,302 to give their accounts of what they witnessed, 989 00:53:42,385 --> 00:53:46,806 and one after another after another pleads the Fifth. 990 00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:50,518 You look at that and think, "The only reason you don't talk 991 00:53:50,602 --> 00:53:54,064 is because you don't want us to know what happened." 992 00:53:56,775 --> 00:54:00,070 [McGinty] But this was more than just police out of control that night. 993 00:54:00,153 --> 00:54:01,488 It was a criminal act. 994 00:54:01,571 --> 00:54:04,199 When this individual jumped on the hood of a car, 995 00:54:04,282 --> 00:54:07,702 at the point of cease-fire, after these 100-odd shots were fired 996 00:54:07,786 --> 00:54:09,162 and everybody else stopped, 997 00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:12,374 he gave the coup de grâce to these two unarmed individuals, 998 00:54:12,457 --> 00:54:14,876 which he knew by then were unarmed. 999 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,462 You don't stand there with your testicles exposed 1000 00:54:18,046 --> 00:54:21,466 on top of a car if you think they're armed. 1001 00:54:21,549 --> 00:54:23,468 He was there to make sure they were dead. 1002 00:54:24,177 --> 00:54:25,971 They were by the time he was finished. 1003 00:54:28,515 --> 00:54:29,766 [Gutierrez] Where'd you grow up? 1004 00:54:29,849 --> 00:54:31,768 [Sabolik] I grew up in the West Park neighborhood. 1005 00:54:31,851 --> 00:54:33,645 -High school? -Saint Ignatius. 1006 00:54:33,728 --> 00:54:37,107 {\an8}[McGinty] Finally, one of the officers came forward, under oath. 1007 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:40,443 He basically was the one who was the first to admit 1008 00:54:40,527 --> 00:54:42,737 that Brelo had jumped up on the hood. 1009 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:46,241 [Gutierrez] So when you see this individual on the hood, 1010 00:54:47,033 --> 00:54:48,785 and you were about to fire, 1011 00:54:48,868 --> 00:54:53,123 {\an8}you stop firing, but your testimony is gunshots are still ringing out? 1012 00:54:53,206 --> 00:54:54,499 [Sabolik] As far as I remember. 1013 00:54:55,542 --> 00:54:57,544 Could you demonstrate to the court what you saw? 1014 00:54:57,627 --> 00:54:58,628 Um… 1015 00:54:58,712 --> 00:55:02,465 He was standing on the hood, firing down, like so. 1016 00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:05,010 [Gutierrez] Could you please point him out for the court? 1017 00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:07,470 [Sabolik] Uh, he's sitting right over there. 1018 00:55:07,971 --> 00:55:09,222 [Gutierrez] Okay, wait a second. 1019 00:55:10,724 --> 00:55:11,975 -Stipulate ID? -[lawyer] Sure. 1020 00:55:12,058 --> 00:55:13,810 [Gutierrez] Thank you. Thank you, officer. 1021 00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:16,855 {\an8}-You were in a shoot-out, right? -[Sabolik] Correct. 1022 00:55:16,938 --> 00:55:18,606 {\an8}And in your heart of hearts, 1023 00:55:19,357 --> 00:55:22,485 you felt that you were being shot at by the folks in that car. 1024 00:55:22,569 --> 00:55:23,486 [Sabolik] Uh… 1025 00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:25,905 Right at that point when we pulled into the parking lot-- 1026 00:55:25,989 --> 00:55:30,327 -[Shaughnessy] Yeah, how did you feel? -The scaredest I've ever been in my life. 1027 00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:31,286 [Shaughnessy] Okay. 1028 00:55:33,913 --> 00:55:34,998 You saw 1029 00:55:36,207 --> 00:55:38,501 an officer on the hood of the Malibu. 1030 00:55:38,585 --> 00:55:39,711 -Correct? -[Sabolik] Correct. 1031 00:55:40,462 --> 00:55:41,713 {\an8}[Shaughnessy] You stopped firing 1032 00:55:41,796 --> 00:55:44,090 {\an8}because you didn't wanna hit another officer 1033 00:55:44,174 --> 00:55:46,801 who had a different tactical position. Correct? 1034 00:55:46,885 --> 00:55:49,346 Correct. I still perceived a threat. 1035 00:55:49,429 --> 00:55:53,892 You continued to perceive a threat to yourself and fellow officers 1036 00:55:53,975 --> 00:55:56,644 while you observed that officer on the hood. 1037 00:55:56,728 --> 00:55:57,896 [Sabolik] Correct, sir. 1038 00:55:57,979 --> 00:55:59,814 [Gutierrez] You're trying to tell us right now, 1039 00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:03,151 even though somebody's shooting multiple times in that windshield, 1040 00:56:03,234 --> 00:56:04,903 you still perceive a threat? 1041 00:56:05,653 --> 00:56:06,529 Absolutely, I-- 1042 00:56:06,613 --> 00:56:08,865 [Gutierrez] You don't think these people are dead by then? 1043 00:56:08,948 --> 00:56:10,283 I have no idea. 1044 00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:13,536 So somebody shooting multiple times inside a windshield, 1045 00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:15,872 you're trying to tell us you still perceive a threat? 1046 00:56:15,955 --> 00:56:17,499 -Yes. -Thank you. 1047 00:56:21,711 --> 00:56:23,213 [O'Donnell] Thank you, Mr. Gutierrez. 1048 00:56:23,296 --> 00:56:26,591 Sir, I appreciate you coming today. You're certainly excused at this point. 1049 00:56:26,674 --> 00:56:27,675 Thank you. 1050 00:56:28,343 --> 00:56:31,721 Let's go off the record for one second. Uh, who's your next witness? 1051 00:56:39,145 --> 00:56:41,106 [news anchor 2] Breaking news. We've just received word 1052 00:56:41,189 --> 00:56:42,899 that a verdict is in in the Michael Brelo case. 1053 00:56:42,982 --> 00:56:44,818 [reporter 16] Police in the sky, on the ground. 1054 00:56:44,901 --> 00:56:48,446 Does anybody really think there's going to be 1055 00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:50,281 a guilty verdict in this case? 1056 00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:51,950 -[Mitchell] I think it's 50-50. -[Frazier] Ha! 1057 00:56:52,033 --> 00:56:53,701 [crowd chanting] No justice, no peace! 1058 00:56:53,785 --> 00:56:56,162 [reporter 16] The crowd of more than 50 continued to grow 1059 00:56:56,246 --> 00:56:57,705 outside the Justice Center. 1060 00:56:57,789 --> 00:56:59,416 No justice, no peace! 1061 00:56:59,499 --> 00:57:02,794 [O'Donnell] We are on the record in the State of Ohio v. Michael Brelo. 1062 00:57:02,877 --> 00:57:06,423 All counsel and the defendant are present. 1063 00:57:08,258 --> 00:57:10,218 In many American places, 1064 00:57:10,718 --> 00:57:14,722 people are angry with, mistrusting, and fearful of the police. 1065 00:57:14,806 --> 00:57:17,600 Cleveland, too, is one such place. 1066 00:57:18,101 --> 00:57:22,063 Some say the volatile relationship between police and the community 1067 00:57:22,856 --> 00:57:25,567 is rooted in our great country's original sin. 1068 00:57:27,402 --> 00:57:28,736 Whether it is or not, 1069 00:57:29,362 --> 00:57:34,617 that sin won't be expiated by the verdict in a single criminal case. 1070 00:57:34,701 --> 00:57:37,287 [reporter 17] As the verdict came down, officers in riot gear 1071 00:57:37,370 --> 00:57:38,538 bracing for protests. 1072 00:57:38,621 --> 00:57:41,875 [reporter 18] Tension between {\an8}police officers and African Americans 1073 00:57:41,958 --> 00:57:43,418 have dominated the headlines… 1074 00:57:43,501 --> 00:57:46,129 [Mitchell] I still want to believe 1075 00:57:46,212 --> 00:57:49,424 that our judicial system is fair and unbiased. 1076 00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:52,844 [Frazier] Lady Justice, that blindfold she wears. 1077 00:57:52,927 --> 00:57:56,639 She lifts the blindfold up to see the size of your wallet, 1078 00:57:56,723 --> 00:57:58,725 the color of your skin… 1079 00:57:58,808 --> 00:58:00,685 -[man 8] No justice! -[crowd] No peace! 1080 00:58:00,768 --> 00:58:03,146 [Schultz] There's a part of you that always wants this to be 1081 00:58:03,229 --> 00:58:04,439 the story that's different, 1082 00:58:04,522 --> 00:58:08,109 that this is the moment, perhaps, we are starting to turn that corner. 1083 00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:10,028 Perhaps we're going to believe it, 1084 00:58:10,111 --> 00:58:12,697 that sometimes police officers can behave very badly. 1085 00:58:14,616 --> 00:58:16,826 [O'Donnell] Additionally, Brelo was acting in conditions 1086 00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:20,288 difficult for even experienced police officers to imagine. 1087 00:58:21,289 --> 00:58:23,583 He described it as, "Worse than being under attack 1088 00:58:23,666 --> 00:58:27,212 from rockets and mortars while serving as a marine in Iraq." 1089 00:58:29,297 --> 00:58:32,717 So I reject the claim that 12 seconds after the shooting began, 1090 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,428 it was patently clear from the perspective 1091 00:58:35,512 --> 00:58:39,933 of a reasonable police officer in Brelo's position 1092 00:58:40,016 --> 00:58:41,976 that the threat had been stopped, 1093 00:58:42,685 --> 00:58:46,147 and therefore find that Brelo's entire use of deadly force 1094 00:58:46,814 --> 00:58:49,734 was a constitutionally reasonable response 1095 00:58:50,235 --> 00:58:55,198 {\an8}to an objectively, reasonably perceived threat of great bodily harm. 1096 00:58:56,658 --> 00:59:00,828 I therefore find the defendant not guilty of counts one and two, as indicted, 1097 00:59:01,454 --> 00:59:03,414 and the defendant is discharged. 1098 00:59:04,374 --> 00:59:05,917 Thank you. We're off the record. 1099 00:59:08,795 --> 00:59:09,796 [bailiff] All rise. 1100 00:59:11,214 --> 00:59:13,550 [Alfredo] It's all a game. It's nothing new. 1101 00:59:14,801 --> 00:59:18,012 Police been getting away with murder for so many years. 1102 00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:20,723 You gotta watch lawyers too. 1103 00:59:21,307 --> 00:59:24,352 Lawyers, judges, cops, they all crooked. 1104 00:59:24,435 --> 00:59:26,312 They all eat together, flop together. 1105 00:59:27,438 --> 00:59:29,566 'Cause they all running the same game. 1106 00:59:30,858 --> 00:59:33,111 [D'Angelo] We are humbled by his verdict, 1107 00:59:33,194 --> 00:59:35,989 and I know I can speak for all Cleveland police officers, 1108 00:59:36,072 --> 00:59:38,283 that we are not emboldened by it. 1109 00:59:38,783 --> 00:59:40,159 But having said that, 1110 00:59:40,743 --> 00:59:43,913 I've never in my 37 years witnessed 1111 00:59:43,997 --> 00:59:49,210 such an unprofessional and vicious prosecution 1112 00:59:49,294 --> 00:59:50,628 of a police officer. 1113 00:59:50,712 --> 00:59:55,717 I hope the African American community can understand and embrace 1114 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,052 that we understand 1115 00:59:58,136 --> 01:00:01,306 and we're part of what their experience is about being mistreated. 1116 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,435 [reporter 19] What message does this verdict send to your officers? 1117 01:00:05,518 --> 01:00:07,812 Do things the right way and you're gonna be okay, 1118 01:00:07,895 --> 01:00:11,816 despite the rhetoric, despite the emotion, despite the politics of it. 1119 01:00:11,899 --> 01:00:14,569 [reporter 20] What's next for Brelo? Does he wanna return to the force? 1120 01:00:14,652 --> 01:00:15,987 Yeah, absolutely. 1121 01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:19,032 Absolutely. He's a policeman. He loves public service. 1122 01:00:19,907 --> 01:00:20,950 [sighs] 1123 01:00:21,951 --> 01:00:25,121 This has been very, very hard for many, many people 1124 01:00:25,955 --> 01:00:28,625 in the community and people that were directly involved. 1125 01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:31,252 [emotional music playing] 1126 01:00:33,087 --> 01:00:34,088 [minister] God is good. 1127 01:00:34,172 --> 01:00:36,341 [whimpers] Amen. Amen. 1128 01:00:37,091 --> 01:00:39,469 [minister] God will save us with his grace. 1129 01:00:39,552 --> 01:00:40,637 Amen. 1130 01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:47,185 [Michelle] To me, it's mind-boggling. 1131 01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:50,730 It's like it didn't make no sense. 1132 01:00:52,940 --> 01:00:57,111 And finally, I wanna say to you that we have some great struggles ahead, 1133 01:00:57,195 --> 01:01:00,615 all over the nation and right here in Cleveland, 1134 01:01:00,698 --> 01:01:02,450 but as we struggle, 1135 01:01:02,533 --> 01:01:06,287 let us have the courage to be nonviolent. 1136 01:01:06,371 --> 01:01:08,998 You see, it doesn't take much courage to be violent. 1137 01:01:09,082 --> 01:01:13,378 It is, ultimately, the strong man who can be nonviolent. 1138 01:01:13,461 --> 01:01:17,715 It is a courageous man who can be nonviolent. 1139 01:01:17,799 --> 01:01:19,801 [words echo] 1140 01:01:21,928 --> 01:01:25,348 [Brelo] After the shooting, I started having panic attacks. 1141 01:01:27,058 --> 01:01:29,227 I got worried about my family. 1142 01:01:31,646 --> 01:01:34,232 I was worried about retribution from somebody. 1143 01:01:37,485 --> 01:01:41,072 I think the first three months, I slept on this couch with a .38 1144 01:01:41,155 --> 01:01:44,200 while the kids slept upstairs 'cause I wanted to protect us. 1145 01:01:44,283 --> 01:01:46,452 {\an8}I might be paranoid, but, you know, 1146 01:01:46,536 --> 01:01:48,746 {\an8}my family's the most important thing in my life. 1147 01:01:48,830 --> 01:01:51,290 [children laughing] 1148 01:01:52,583 --> 01:01:55,086 [Brelo] I'm still in purgatory with the police. 1149 01:01:55,169 --> 01:01:58,506 I'm still waiting for the City to make up their mind, three years after the fact. 1150 01:01:58,589 --> 01:02:00,550 Fire me. Don't fire me. What's going on? 1151 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:05,638 Real life, especially that night, November 29th, 1152 01:02:05,722 --> 01:02:07,640 there was just a perfect storm. 1153 01:02:08,933 --> 01:02:11,769 [interviewer] Can you take me through it, November 29th? 1154 01:02:11,853 --> 01:02:14,981 Let's do that a different day 'cause that's pretty involved, if you don't mind. 1155 01:02:15,064 --> 01:02:17,275 [intense music playing] 1156 01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:28,202 [Brelo] I remember it was a Tuesday morning. 1157 01:02:28,703 --> 01:02:30,872 It was Spanish class. Second period. 1158 01:02:32,206 --> 01:02:34,709 That night, when I was saying prayers for all the people who died, 1159 01:02:34,792 --> 01:02:36,335 I thought, "I wanna become a marine." 1160 01:02:39,964 --> 01:02:41,674 Pretty much, if you went in in '03, 1161 01:02:41,758 --> 01:02:44,135 it was a foregone conclusion that you would be going to Iraq. 1162 01:02:44,218 --> 01:02:45,762 [dramatic music playing] 1163 01:02:46,512 --> 01:02:48,973 Hit is where I was, west of Fallujah. 1164 01:02:49,682 --> 01:02:51,058 [people clamoring] 1165 01:02:51,142 --> 01:02:53,394 Over there, you'd have to be on your guard 24 hours a day. 1166 01:02:53,478 --> 01:02:56,939 We're in the middle of this country with God-knows-who around us. 1167 01:02:58,107 --> 01:03:00,902 It got to the point where every day we got bombed. 1168 01:03:06,783 --> 01:03:10,161 {\an8}We ended up losing 49 total, which was hard. 1169 01:03:10,244 --> 01:03:12,413 {\an8}The most since Vietnam for a unit. 1170 01:03:12,497 --> 01:03:14,582 {\an8}Many Ohioans lost their lives in Iraq, 1171 01:03:14,665 --> 01:03:17,794 {\an8}including 48 members of the 3/25. 1172 01:03:17,877 --> 01:03:21,130 {\an8}Enormous heartbreak for communities in northeastern Ohio. 1173 01:03:21,214 --> 01:03:22,715 [reporter 21] {\an8}Rarely has so much loss 1174 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,634 {\an8}befallen such a small region of the country. 1175 01:03:24,717 --> 01:03:27,553 [reporter 22] {\an8}A deployment that stunned Cleveland, 1176 01:03:28,054 --> 01:03:30,223 {\an8}taking 48 lives. 1177 01:03:33,935 --> 01:03:38,397 {\an8}Sorta going back, this has come up through the course of our investigation. 1178 01:03:38,481 --> 01:03:39,649 {\an8}I gotta ask. 1179 01:03:39,732 --> 01:03:44,570 Were you yelling, at some point, "Semper Fi" or anything of that nature? 1180 01:03:44,654 --> 01:03:46,405 -Absolutely not. -Are you certain? 1181 01:03:46,489 --> 01:03:48,699 Absolutely not. Never, sir. 1182 01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:52,912 A lot of people had post-traumatic stress syndrome. 1183 01:03:52,995 --> 01:03:57,124 I'm not saying I had it. I may have it in one capacity or another. 1184 01:03:57,708 --> 01:04:02,630 But growing up, I always wanted to be in the military and police. 1185 01:04:03,297 --> 01:04:06,717 It's my dream job. I'd dream about being a cop every night. 1186 01:04:10,471 --> 01:04:12,098 [woman 8] Doesn't it feel better? 1187 01:04:12,181 --> 01:04:15,810 [Jim Simone] We all see death as grandpa in a casket, 1188 01:04:15,893 --> 01:04:17,854 with the suit and the flowers. 1189 01:04:18,354 --> 01:04:20,022 {\an8}We go pay our respects. 1190 01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:22,024 {\an8}That's nice. 1191 01:04:22,108 --> 01:04:25,319 {\an8}That's not how it is on the street or in combat. 1192 01:04:25,403 --> 01:04:26,362 [gunshot] 1193 01:04:27,655 --> 01:04:28,781 [two gunshots] 1194 01:04:30,992 --> 01:04:31,993 [gunshot] 1195 01:04:32,493 --> 01:04:33,369 [gunshot] 1196 01:04:34,996 --> 01:04:36,289 [Brelo] Jim Simone, um… 1197 01:04:37,123 --> 01:04:39,041 he's a cop's cop. 1198 01:04:39,125 --> 01:04:42,169 He's been around forever. He's been in a dozen shootings. 1199 01:04:42,253 --> 01:04:43,170 [gunshot] 1200 01:04:43,671 --> 01:04:44,881 [Brelo] He was in Vietnam. 1201 01:04:45,965 --> 01:04:47,466 I mean, this guy's a legend. 1202 01:04:49,093 --> 01:04:52,054 After the shooting, him and his wife wanna sit down. 1203 01:04:52,138 --> 01:04:53,723 We went to, I think, an Applebee's, 1204 01:04:53,806 --> 01:04:56,100 and we just sat down for like two or three hours and talked. 1205 01:04:57,977 --> 01:04:59,353 I says, "Michael, 1206 01:04:59,437 --> 01:05:03,566 {\an8}did you believe that your life or someone you were with was in jeopardy?" 1207 01:05:03,649 --> 01:05:07,486 {\an8}"And if you did, whether that jeopardy is real or imagined, 1208 01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:09,447 {\an8}you have the right to use deadly force." 1209 01:05:10,281 --> 01:05:11,908 The law's very specific. 1210 01:05:11,991 --> 01:05:14,035 [on radio] Six-six, we're in pursuit southbound… 1211 01:05:14,118 --> 01:05:17,455 [Loomis] The landmark Supreme Court decision Graham v. Connor 1212 01:05:17,538 --> 01:05:22,710 ensures that police officers are judged based on the information that they have 1213 01:05:22,793 --> 01:05:24,587 at the time of the incident. 1214 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,423 [Simone] This male has a gun, right? 1215 01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:31,677 There was once a time I was involved in a shooting where the guy 1216 01:05:31,761 --> 01:05:34,263 actually, uh, baited us into killing him. 1217 01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:36,599 Everybody use caution. He's slowing down. 1218 01:05:37,099 --> 01:05:39,727 [McGinty] So we have to accept what the Supreme Court tells us. 1219 01:05:39,810 --> 01:05:42,271 If a police officer doesn't know if it's a replica gun, 1220 01:05:42,355 --> 01:05:43,439 can he fire? 1221 01:05:43,522 --> 01:05:45,483 And the Supreme Court says yes. 1222 01:05:46,192 --> 01:05:48,527 [Simone] Looks like he's gonna try to make it to his house. 1223 01:05:49,028 --> 01:05:50,488 [officer 10] Give this guy some room. 1224 01:05:50,988 --> 01:05:52,448 [Simone yelling] Hold it right there! 1225 01:05:53,157 --> 01:05:54,241 Hold it right there! 1226 01:05:54,325 --> 01:05:57,870 Last thing I said was, "Drop the gun or I'll kill you where you fucking stand." 1227 01:05:58,371 --> 01:06:00,831 He looked at me, and we were just a couple feet apart, 1228 01:06:00,915 --> 01:06:03,918 like you and I are, and he goes, "Go ahead and do it." 1229 01:06:04,001 --> 01:06:05,002 "Do it." 1230 01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:06,712 Pointed a gun at me. 1231 01:06:06,796 --> 01:06:07,797 {\an8}Don't move! 1232 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,507 [sirens wailing] 1233 01:06:09,590 --> 01:06:12,301 {\an8}[Simone] And I can't describe fear to you. 1234 01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:15,221 Until we're reversed… 1235 01:06:15,304 --> 01:06:16,138 [indistinct yelling] 1236 01:06:16,222 --> 01:06:18,683 {\an8}[Simone] …and you're the person that's scared out of your mind. 1237 01:06:18,766 --> 01:06:19,892 Don't move or I'll kill you! 1238 01:06:19,976 --> 01:06:21,686 {\an8}The fear is overwhelming sometimes. 1239 01:06:21,769 --> 01:06:23,771 [gunfire] 1240 01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:27,900 [officer 11] {\an8}Jimmy. Oh, God damn it. 1241 01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:31,570 -I don't know. {\an8}-Get him in the car. In the car. 1242 01:06:31,654 --> 01:06:33,906 {\an8}-Hold on. Are you hit? -Hang on. 1243 01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:37,451 {\an8}His gun was empty. He didn't have the ability to kill me. 1244 01:06:37,535 --> 01:06:41,747 So they ruled that a homicide because we took his life in a viol-- 1245 01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:44,125 But it's not. It should have been ruled suicide. 1246 01:06:45,668 --> 01:06:48,087 [male caller] In the heat of the moment, I think what happened 1247 01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:50,756 was a genuine, honest mistake. 1248 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,260 I don't think that those officers came into that situation 1249 01:06:54,343 --> 01:06:56,095 to get blood on their hands. 1250 01:06:56,178 --> 01:06:59,015 They were probably scared, and with what had happened-- 1251 01:06:59,098 --> 01:07:01,267 Well, let me… Let me tell you something, Derek. 1252 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:04,103 -If they're scared, get another job. -[Mitchell] Straight like that. 1253 01:07:04,186 --> 01:07:07,231 Yeah, if you're so scared, you gotta pull your gun 1254 01:07:07,314 --> 01:07:08,482 and be trigger-happy, 1255 01:07:08,566 --> 01:07:11,068 then maybe patrolling the streets of Cleveland 1256 01:07:11,152 --> 01:07:12,820 is not where you should be. 1257 01:07:16,115 --> 01:07:17,033 [man 9] Thanks, Chief. 1258 01:07:17,116 --> 01:07:20,077 [Frazier] We have to be careful who we give a badge and a gun to. 1259 01:07:20,161 --> 01:07:23,539 And I think we have to check at every stage of their career. 1260 01:07:25,166 --> 01:07:28,294 {\an8}You know, we have this super cop, Jim Simone. 1261 01:07:28,377 --> 01:07:31,213 At some point you would think, "Wait a minute, Jim." 1262 01:07:31,297 --> 01:07:34,258 "You keep running into situations where you gotta shoot somebody." 1263 01:07:34,341 --> 01:07:37,303 "Maybe we should take you off the street for the public safety." 1264 01:07:37,386 --> 01:07:38,971 Oh no. They thought he was a hero. 1265 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:45,227 Today, May 26, 2015, 1266 01:07:45,311 --> 01:07:48,272 {\an8}marks a new way of policing in the city of Cleveland, 1267 01:07:48,355 --> 01:07:52,359 {\an8}one built on a strong foundation of progressive change, 1268 01:07:52,443 --> 01:07:55,112 sustained trust and accountability. 1269 01:07:57,948 --> 01:08:01,035 The Department of Justice comes in and tells the City of Cleveland, 1270 01:08:01,118 --> 01:08:02,745 "You fix this or we will." 1271 01:08:02,828 --> 01:08:04,872 "Because if you don't, we're gonna sue you." 1272 01:08:04,955 --> 01:08:07,374 [reporter 23] {\an8}The new 105-page Consent Decree 1273 01:08:07,458 --> 01:08:10,211 calls for the department to retrain and review its officers, 1274 01:08:10,294 --> 01:08:12,463 to make sure they use force properly. 1275 01:08:12,546 --> 01:08:14,548 [applause] 1276 01:08:17,259 --> 01:08:21,555 As you know, we're here to talk about police use-of-force policies, 1277 01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:22,932 and we need your input. 1278 01:08:23,808 --> 01:08:26,143 We can't do business the way we did 20 years ago, 1279 01:08:26,227 --> 01:08:28,187 {\an8}and I think the chiefs around this country 1280 01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:30,981 {\an8}and the officers around this country are kinda, you know, 1281 01:08:31,065 --> 01:08:33,567 in the quiet time they have with themselves, are saying, 1282 01:08:33,651 --> 01:08:36,570 "Yeah, we shouldn't have did that, and we're not gonna do that again." 1283 01:08:36,654 --> 01:08:38,572 {\an8}So things are changing. 1284 01:08:38,656 --> 01:08:40,032 {\an8}I've kinda told my guys, 1285 01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:43,077 "We're gonna give people the benefit of the doubt." 1286 01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:46,622 Next on the agenda is, um, 1287 01:08:46,705 --> 01:08:50,501 an update on the citizen's police review board ordinance. 1288 01:08:51,085 --> 01:08:54,713 We do understand that there's not a formal diversity and inclusion plan 1289 01:08:54,797 --> 01:08:56,507 for the Cleveland Division of Police, 1290 01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:59,510 but we've been asking for documents or information 1291 01:08:59,593 --> 01:09:02,680 associated with the recruitment policy for months now. 1292 01:09:03,180 --> 01:09:05,182 {\an8}In the African American community, 1293 01:09:05,266 --> 01:09:08,686 people feel like they aren't treated with respect and dignity 1294 01:09:08,769 --> 01:09:10,521 in their own communities. 1295 01:09:11,856 --> 01:09:15,317 Good evening, everyone. My name is Pierre Napier. 1296 01:09:15,401 --> 01:09:17,236 I am the co-founder 1297 01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:21,866 of the New Black Democratic Party of Cuyahoga County. 1298 01:09:21,949 --> 01:09:25,494 137 bullets strong. 1299 01:09:26,328 --> 01:09:30,166 The United States of America is at war with itself. 1300 01:09:30,249 --> 01:09:32,585 Cleveland is one of the most racist cities-- 1301 01:09:32,668 --> 01:09:34,628 [man 10] All right. Well, that… Please. 1302 01:09:34,712 --> 01:09:40,259 When Timothy and Malissa got shot and killed 137 times, 1303 01:09:41,093 --> 01:09:44,513 the head of the Cleveland police union said, "Good kill." 1304 01:09:44,597 --> 01:09:48,017 So, come on. What's wrong with the words of Pierre Napier? 1305 01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:54,607 [Williams] If you're thinking it's made up and everyone is on the police, 1306 01:09:54,690 --> 01:09:56,192 attacking the police, 1307 01:09:56,275 --> 01:09:59,820 you're not listening to the stories, you're not understanding, 1308 01:09:59,904 --> 01:10:01,530 you're not hearing the history. 1309 01:10:04,074 --> 01:10:07,828 In the 1960s, we had the Freedom Movement here. 1310 01:10:07,912 --> 01:10:10,956 We had Black Power politics here. 1311 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,958 [siren blaring] 1312 01:10:13,042 --> 01:10:15,002 {\an8}[Williams] We had the Glenville Rebellions. 1313 01:10:15,085 --> 01:10:17,087 [gunshots] 1314 01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:22,801 Three of 'em ran into a shoot-out with two Sixth District policemen, 1315 01:10:22,885 --> 01:10:24,887 and they came out second best. 1316 01:10:24,970 --> 01:10:27,640 [news announcer] On July 18th, rioting broke out in Hough. 1317 01:10:27,723 --> 01:10:30,601 It took only a simple matter to spark the outbreak. 1318 01:10:30,684 --> 01:10:33,520 A white bar owner had refused a Negro man's request 1319 01:10:33,604 --> 01:10:35,272 for a glass of water. 1320 01:10:35,356 --> 01:10:37,858 [Williams] We had Martin Luther King coming through here. 1321 01:10:37,942 --> 01:10:40,277 [Dr. King] Like many of our nation's cities, 1322 01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:42,404 we find Cleveland 1323 01:10:42,488 --> 01:10:44,657 a teeming cauldron of hostility, 1324 01:10:45,491 --> 01:10:48,535 with crude methods of police repression, 1325 01:10:48,619 --> 01:10:51,872 rather than compassion and creative programming. 1326 01:10:51,956 --> 01:10:55,501 [Williams] We also had one of the first African American mayors 1327 01:10:55,584 --> 01:10:57,753 in the entire nation, Carl Stokes. 1328 01:10:58,921 --> 01:11:00,422 {\an8}This election today 1329 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,928 {\an8}saw all of the many different parts of Cleveland 1330 01:11:06,679 --> 01:11:07,846 {\an8}come together. 1331 01:11:08,973 --> 01:11:11,809 The east side and the west side. 1332 01:11:11,892 --> 01:11:13,560 [loud cheers] 1333 01:11:13,644 --> 01:11:15,938 [Williams] And one of the things that he wanted to do 1334 01:11:16,021 --> 01:11:17,398 was to reform the police. 1335 01:11:17,898 --> 01:11:19,775 This was one of his mandates. 1336 01:11:21,193 --> 01:11:24,530 In his political autobiography, Stokes says, 1337 01:11:24,613 --> 01:11:26,532 in a chapter called "The Police," 1338 01:11:27,032 --> 01:11:30,494 {\an8}"Ask yourself why the cries for law and order 1339 01:11:30,577 --> 01:11:31,954 {\an8}come from conservative whites, 1340 01:11:32,955 --> 01:11:35,291 most of whom live safely in the suburbs." 1341 01:11:35,791 --> 01:11:38,043 "The very people who are least affected by crime 1342 01:11:38,127 --> 01:11:40,004 are the most vocal about it." 1343 01:11:41,380 --> 01:11:44,133 "The Black community pleads for police protection, 1344 01:11:44,216 --> 01:11:46,635 and what it gets is indifference, 1345 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:51,807 or patrols by men looking for an excuse to get violent themselves." 1346 01:11:52,683 --> 01:11:56,020 "I saw it as one of my most important tasks, 1347 01:11:56,103 --> 01:11:57,396 the reform of the police." 1348 01:11:59,732 --> 01:12:03,861 "This great hope became my greatest frustration, 1349 01:12:03,944 --> 01:12:06,280 my greatest failure." 1350 01:12:06,363 --> 01:12:10,451 He talks about how he was not able to make a dent in the culture 1351 01:12:10,534 --> 01:12:13,746 of policing here in Cleveland, Ohio. 1352 01:12:13,829 --> 01:12:18,208 And the Consent Decree is talking about some of the same things. 1353 01:12:18,292 --> 01:12:21,253 Police accountability. Use of force. 1354 01:12:22,463 --> 01:12:24,965 It echoes this desire 1355 01:12:26,216 --> 01:12:27,426 to reform the police. 1356 01:12:29,094 --> 01:12:31,972 -You cannot reform police. -[van horn honks] 1357 01:12:32,056 --> 01:12:35,100 You cannot reform police departments enough 1358 01:12:35,184 --> 01:12:40,898 to take care of generations and decades of social decay. 1359 01:12:40,981 --> 01:12:44,109 Fatherless families. Babies raising babies. 1360 01:12:44,193 --> 01:12:47,279 Um, terrible school systems in the inner cities. 1361 01:12:47,363 --> 01:12:48,906 Crime rates are through the roof. 1362 01:12:48,989 --> 01:12:51,492 You gotta deal with the problems directly, 1363 01:12:51,575 --> 01:12:53,660 and the problem's not the police department. 1364 01:12:53,744 --> 01:12:55,746 [indistinct chatter] 1365 01:12:56,997 --> 01:12:59,291 [mellow music playing] 1366 01:13:03,629 --> 01:13:05,798 [man panting] 1367 01:13:09,343 --> 01:13:11,887 [reporter 24] In Cleveland tomorrow, family members of Tamir Rice 1368 01:13:11,970 --> 01:13:15,974 will testify before a grand jury deciding whether to indict the police officer 1369 01:13:16,058 --> 01:13:18,102 who killed him more than a year ago. 1370 01:13:18,185 --> 01:13:19,353 [panting] 1371 01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:22,564 [reporter 25] We tried to talk to Cuyahoga County Prosecutor, 1372 01:13:22,648 --> 01:13:23,857 Tim McGinty, about the case. 1373 01:13:23,941 --> 01:13:26,485 Have the cops cooperated with you? Can you say that? 1374 01:13:26,568 --> 01:13:28,195 [McGinty] I told you, we can't comment. 1375 01:13:29,488 --> 01:13:32,825 [Samaria Rice] The grand jury process, it was horrible. 1376 01:13:32,908 --> 01:13:36,954 James Gutierrez, he was yelling at me and my kids, 1377 01:13:37,037 --> 01:13:40,124 {\an8}like this was my son's fault. 1378 01:13:40,207 --> 01:13:43,544 {\an8}Like, taking up for the officers basically, you know? 1379 01:13:44,044 --> 01:13:48,298 It was the most horrific feeling that I ever felt, walking in a room. 1380 01:13:49,174 --> 01:13:53,470 I felt like he had already poisoned them before I got there, yeah. 1381 01:13:53,554 --> 01:13:54,847 Well, obviously, I can't. 1382 01:13:54,930 --> 01:13:57,224 I'm bound by the secrecy of the grand jury. 1383 01:13:57,808 --> 01:14:00,394 But at the end of the day, I know the police officers feel 1384 01:14:00,477 --> 01:14:02,396 that nobody's got their back right now. 1385 01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,982 You have to understand, I'm a very pro-police kinda guy 1386 01:14:05,065 --> 01:14:07,067 'cause I've worked 'em for 31 years. 1387 01:14:07,943 --> 01:14:10,487 [Subodh Chandra] The way that McGinty and his assistants 1388 01:14:10,571 --> 01:14:14,199 approached the grand jury was so biased. 1389 01:14:14,283 --> 01:14:16,743 {\an8}McGinty did something that I can guarantee you 1390 01:14:16,827 --> 01:14:19,538 {\an8}no prosecutor in America ever does, 1391 01:14:19,621 --> 01:14:23,167 {\an8}which is to permit the targets of a criminal investigation, 1392 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,919 which is what these two police officers were, 1393 01:14:26,003 --> 01:14:28,297 permit them to come to the grand jury, 1394 01:14:28,380 --> 01:14:31,425 read previously written self-serving statements, 1395 01:14:31,508 --> 01:14:34,219 and then leaving without answering a single question. 1396 01:14:34,303 --> 01:14:38,182 No cross-examination from the prosecutors, no questions from the grand jury. 1397 01:14:38,265 --> 01:14:39,641 Just read and leave. 1398 01:14:40,434 --> 01:14:42,811 [Gutierrez] What did the police officers know at that point? 1399 01:14:42,895 --> 01:14:47,441 There is a man with a gun at a rec center. 1400 01:14:47,524 --> 01:14:50,903 Do you know there were over 100 people in that rec center at that point in time? 1401 01:14:50,986 --> 01:14:53,906 So you have a potential active shooter, 1402 01:14:53,989 --> 01:14:56,450 so police officers say, "Code red." 1403 01:14:56,533 --> 01:14:57,951 They're gonna come in hot. 1404 01:14:58,035 --> 01:15:01,705 If he was a man with evil intentions, in our day and age, 1405 01:15:01,788 --> 01:15:05,167 to go in and shoot people up, that's not a bad assumption, is it? 1406 01:15:06,043 --> 01:15:09,922 We are here for the interview of Officer Timothy Loehmann. 1407 01:15:10,005 --> 01:15:12,132 {\an8}I started screaming verbal commands. 1408 01:15:12,216 --> 01:15:14,885 {\an8}"Put your hands in the air! Let me see your hands! Freeze! 1409 01:15:14,968 --> 01:15:16,220 {\an8}Put your hands in the air!" 1410 01:15:16,303 --> 01:15:18,096 {\an8}I said numerous times out loud. 1411 01:15:18,180 --> 01:15:21,808 And I presented my gun, you know, through the window, so-- 1412 01:15:21,892 --> 01:15:23,435 [man 11] Is your window down? 1413 01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:27,773 It was closed, I believe. Not 100%. I believe it was closed. 1414 01:15:28,565 --> 01:15:29,733 [Chandra] An example. 1415 01:15:29,816 --> 01:15:32,778 "When exactly was it, sir, that you were shouting out commands?" 1416 01:15:32,861 --> 01:15:34,238 "Show me on the video." 1417 01:15:34,321 --> 01:15:36,740 {\an8}Or, "Officer Loehmann, are you in the habit 1418 01:15:36,823 --> 01:15:39,576 {\an8}of shouting out commands through a closed window 1419 01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:43,247 {\an8}while driving forward at a rapid speed toward someone who can't hear you?" 1420 01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:44,164 "Is that normal?" 1421 01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:47,334 How do we know this happened? Grand jury proceedings are secret. 1422 01:15:47,417 --> 01:15:49,127 Because the union said so. 1423 01:15:50,379 --> 01:15:54,800 Officer Garmback and Officer Loehmann gave a written statement. 1424 01:15:54,883 --> 01:15:56,510 They didn't answer any questions 1425 01:15:56,593 --> 01:16:01,265 because they are the targets of whatever it is that's going on here. 1426 01:16:01,348 --> 01:16:02,182 [panting] 1427 01:16:02,266 --> 01:16:03,517 [Chandra] You can't do that. 1428 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,270 You can't put the Fifth Amendment genie back in the bottle 1429 01:16:06,353 --> 01:16:09,147 once you've taken the oath and started testifying. 1430 01:16:09,231 --> 01:16:12,818 So the bottom line is that Prosecutor McGinty and his assistants 1431 01:16:12,901 --> 01:16:18,240 took a dive on cross-examining the targets of a criminal investigation. 1432 01:16:18,323 --> 01:16:19,741 And I can guarantee you, 1433 01:16:19,825 --> 01:16:22,661 that special privilege is only afforded to you 1434 01:16:22,744 --> 01:16:25,247 if you are a Cleveland police officer 1435 01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:29,001 and you are under the jurisdiction of the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor. 1436 01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:31,336 [reporter 26] New information this morning 1437 01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:33,505 about the officers involved in the Rice shooting. 1438 01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:36,592 [reporter 27] Loehmann's previous police supervisors had wanted to fire him, 1439 01:16:36,675 --> 01:16:41,763 citing insubordination, lying, and an inability to emotionally function. 1440 01:16:41,847 --> 01:16:44,891 Timothy Loehmann shouldn't have never been a police officer. 1441 01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:48,270 He was crying on the gun range. His mama had to come and get him. 1442 01:16:48,353 --> 01:16:50,856 He was crying over his girlfriend. Um… 1443 01:16:50,939 --> 01:16:53,734 How did you become a Cleveland police officer? 1444 01:16:53,817 --> 01:16:58,196 [reporter 28] Cleveland Police never asked to see Loehmann's personnel records. 1445 01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,950 That's how he slid through the cracks, and now I have a dead son. 1446 01:17:02,034 --> 01:17:03,285 You understand? 1447 01:17:03,368 --> 01:17:05,287 [panting] 1448 01:17:05,370 --> 01:17:08,665 I had to, you know, make the decision fast 1449 01:17:08,749 --> 01:17:12,336 because Frank and I were in immediate danger. 1450 01:17:12,419 --> 01:17:15,047 -[man 12] So you thought what? -I thought I was gonna die. 1451 01:17:20,469 --> 01:17:21,887 [Schultz] McGinty knew… 1452 01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:25,932 When he spoke out the way he did during the Brelo trial, 1453 01:17:26,016 --> 01:17:29,519 he knew that could have political consequences. 1454 01:17:29,603 --> 01:17:30,729 The question was 1455 01:17:30,812 --> 01:17:33,357 how would he conduct himself moving forward, 1456 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:35,942 and I guess we got our answer. 1457 01:17:36,443 --> 01:17:39,237 [breathing heavily] 1458 01:17:41,865 --> 01:17:47,621 {\an8}Today a Cuyahoga County grand jury completed its thorough investigation 1459 01:17:47,704 --> 01:17:51,667 of the fatal shooting of the 12-year-old Tamir Rice. 1460 01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:53,085 Based on the evidence 1461 01:17:53,168 --> 01:17:56,797 and the law as it applies to police use of deadly force, 1462 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,300 the grand jury declined to bring criminal charges 1463 01:18:00,384 --> 01:18:04,930 against Cleveland police officers Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback. 1464 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,351 The outcome will not cheer anyone, nor should it. 1465 01:18:09,976 --> 01:18:12,646 Every time I think about this case, I cannot help 1466 01:18:13,230 --> 01:18:16,525 but feel that the victim could have been my own son or grandson. 1467 01:18:16,608 --> 01:18:19,111 [crowd clamoring] 1468 01:18:22,948 --> 01:18:27,703 [chanting] CPD, what do you say? How many kids have you killed today? 1469 01:18:29,162 --> 01:18:34,751 Now it is time for the community, and all of us, to start to heal. 1470 01:18:34,835 --> 01:18:37,462 [clamoring] 1471 01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:41,258 [reporter 29] A tense weekend in Cleveland, as police in riot gear 1472 01:18:41,341 --> 01:18:45,220 confronted protesters angered over the acquittal of an officer 1473 01:18:45,303 --> 01:18:47,055 charged in the shooting deaths… 1474 01:18:47,139 --> 01:18:51,268 [Williams] What can I think as a citizen? What can I think as a community member? 1475 01:18:51,351 --> 01:18:56,898 There was enough probable cause to say there was a crime committed 1476 01:18:56,982 --> 01:18:59,401 in the slaying of Tamir Rice. 1477 01:19:02,571 --> 01:19:04,781 Even in the Michael Brelo case, 1478 01:19:04,865 --> 01:19:07,659 there were 12 other officers who were on the scene. 1479 01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:11,997 He was the most egregious, but he was one of 13. 1480 01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:24,509 Some may say that Prosecutor McGinty aggressively prosecuted that case. 1481 01:19:24,593 --> 01:19:28,346 There are many in the community that said he did the absolute minimum he could do. 1482 01:19:29,014 --> 01:19:31,224 That there was no justice there. 1483 01:19:32,642 --> 01:19:35,437 [man on megaphone] McGinty went into the grand jury 1484 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,397 knowing what he had planned to do. 1485 01:19:37,481 --> 01:19:39,274 -[protester 1] That's a fact. -[protester 2] Make it plain. 1486 01:19:39,357 --> 01:19:42,194 [man on megaphone] He has made hypocrisy out of democracy. 1487 01:19:42,277 --> 01:19:43,695 [crowd cheers] 1488 01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:44,863 It is a tragedy. 1489 01:19:44,946 --> 01:19:47,866 [male caller 2] For the life of me, I can't understand what his motivation is. 1490 01:19:47,949 --> 01:19:50,035 [Frazier] Well, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. 1491 01:19:50,118 --> 01:19:52,996 What McGinty did is called political calculus. 1492 01:19:53,079 --> 01:19:56,166 -That's what I've been told. -It might be a miscalculation. 1493 01:19:56,249 --> 01:19:58,460 [Mitchell] Yeah, it's definitely a miscalculation. 1494 01:20:00,837 --> 01:20:02,422 We're also here 1495 01:20:02,506 --> 01:20:06,718 because the Bible says that when God spoke to Cain, 1496 01:20:08,011 --> 01:20:10,347 and he said, "Where's your brother?" 1497 01:20:11,598 --> 01:20:13,767 {\an8}he said, "Am I my brother's keeper?" 1498 01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:16,061 {\an8}-Are we our brother's keeper? -[crowd] Yes, we are. 1499 01:20:16,144 --> 01:20:18,814 {\an8}-Are we our brother's keeper? -[crowd] Yes, we are. 1500 01:20:18,897 --> 01:20:23,276 [Colvin] He said, "Your brother's blood cries from the ground." 1501 01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:27,531 And so Tamir's life… 1502 01:20:27,614 --> 01:20:28,532 [man] Yes. 1503 01:20:29,032 --> 01:20:31,284 -[Colvin] …demands justice. -Yeah. 1504 01:20:31,368 --> 01:20:33,328 And so we have come here 1505 01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:37,249 as people of various faiths and traditions. 1506 01:20:37,332 --> 01:20:40,794 {\an8}We have come as Black, brown, and white 1507 01:20:40,877 --> 01:20:42,629 because all blood is red. 1508 01:20:42,712 --> 01:20:44,005 [crowd shouts agreement] 1509 01:20:44,089 --> 01:20:45,924 [Colvin] All blood is red. 1510 01:20:46,967 --> 01:20:51,596 [crowd chanting] McGinty has got to go! McGinty has got to go! 1511 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,851 McGinty has got to go! McGinty has got to go! 1512 01:20:55,934 --> 01:20:59,312 We are following the law. That's all we can do. 1513 01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:03,191 And the consequences, we accept whatever they are politically. 1514 01:21:10,907 --> 01:21:12,534 [reporter 30] New developments today 1515 01:21:12,617 --> 01:21:15,912 in that now-infamous Cleveland police chase and shooting from 2012. 1516 01:21:15,996 --> 01:21:19,249 [reporter 31] Today the City of Cleveland announced the firing 1517 01:21:19,332 --> 01:21:22,794 of six of those officers, including Michael Brelo. 1518 01:21:22,878 --> 01:21:24,379 These decisions were handed down 1519 01:21:24,462 --> 01:21:27,632 more than three years after the initial incident. 1520 01:21:27,716 --> 01:21:29,843 [airplane engine whooshing in distance] 1521 01:21:30,635 --> 01:21:32,596 [Loomis] At the end of the day, folks, 1522 01:21:32,679 --> 01:21:35,181 this discipline is not gonna be supported by fact. 1523 01:21:36,141 --> 01:21:39,352 This is politics. This is politics 101. 1524 01:21:39,436 --> 01:21:40,937 They put a hat together 1525 01:21:41,021 --> 01:21:43,189 and just started pulling names out of the hat 1526 01:21:43,273 --> 01:21:45,817 until they got to the number they thought was good enough 1527 01:21:45,901 --> 01:21:49,738 to appease a certain segment of society. 1528 01:21:50,655 --> 01:21:51,865 Unbelievable to me. 1529 01:21:52,574 --> 01:21:53,909 The fact is 1530 01:21:53,992 --> 01:21:56,411 there's two people promoted out of this whole thing. 1531 01:21:56,494 --> 01:22:01,833 {\an8}Mike McGrath, the then-police chief, gets promoted to Safety Director. 1532 01:22:01,917 --> 01:22:04,127 {\an8}Marty Flask, then Safety Director, 1533 01:22:04,210 --> 01:22:07,505 {\an8}gets promoted to whatever the hell he's doing in the Mayor's office. 1534 01:22:07,589 --> 01:22:11,009 Those two guys get promoted, and the buck should've stopped with them, 1535 01:22:11,092 --> 01:22:13,136 with policies and command and control. 1536 01:22:13,845 --> 01:22:17,557 But we got six guys fired, so politically we're gonna be okay. 1537 01:22:17,641 --> 01:22:20,936 Loomis is gonna be the bad guy 'cause I'm gonna get their jobs back, folks. 1538 01:22:21,436 --> 01:22:23,980 And I promise you, they're gonna get their jobs back. 1539 01:22:24,064 --> 01:22:27,359 Every single one of 'em is gonna get their jobs back. 1540 01:22:27,442 --> 01:22:29,194 [intense music playing] 1541 01:22:29,277 --> 01:22:31,279 [loud gunfire on TV] 1542 01:22:46,044 --> 01:22:48,046 [explosions, gunfire] 1543 01:23:07,023 --> 01:23:09,943 [snare drums playing] 1544 01:23:15,156 --> 01:23:17,033 [bagpipes droning] 1545 01:23:17,117 --> 01:23:18,284 [pipe band playing] 1546 01:23:18,368 --> 01:23:20,829 [Frazier] The institution is so strong 1547 01:23:21,454 --> 01:23:23,289 because we're a fearful nation. 1548 01:23:23,373 --> 01:23:24,666 Fear sells. 1549 01:23:24,749 --> 01:23:26,668 Everybody wants to be secure in their home, 1550 01:23:26,751 --> 01:23:28,920 their family secure and safe. 1551 01:23:29,004 --> 01:23:31,881 And the police say, "Okay, but that comes at a price." 1552 01:23:31,965 --> 01:23:35,260 "You must give us this power and this control." 1553 01:23:35,927 --> 01:23:38,596 And again, the electorate is afraid 1554 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,933 that if we don't let the police do what they want, 1555 01:23:42,017 --> 01:23:43,268 we're gonna pay the price. 1556 01:23:45,228 --> 01:23:48,857 So politicians tread gingerly with the police. 1557 01:23:49,441 --> 01:23:52,485 They don't wanna fight with the police. They wanna get re-elected. 1558 01:23:54,529 --> 01:23:58,783 [Loomis] McGinty, with Brelo, was atrocious. 1559 01:23:58,867 --> 01:24:01,619 With Tamir Rice's case, he did the right thing. 1560 01:24:01,703 --> 01:24:05,165 He wants a pat on the back for doing the right thing. 1561 01:24:05,832 --> 01:24:07,459 Oh, he's not gonna be re-elected. 1562 01:24:07,542 --> 01:24:11,504 {\an8}No way is he gonna be re-elected. Heard it here first. 1563 01:24:11,588 --> 01:24:13,048 [pipe band continues] 1564 01:24:13,131 --> 01:24:14,591 [Frazier] Don't get this twisted. 1565 01:24:14,674 --> 01:24:18,386 The majority of police officers are good, honest, hard-working guys. 1566 01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:20,346 Most cops are good cops. 1567 01:24:21,014 --> 01:24:22,932 They just protect bad cops. 1568 01:24:26,102 --> 01:24:27,687 [band playing fades] 1569 01:24:27,771 --> 01:24:30,523 [news anchor] And now to a local story the nation is talking about. 1570 01:24:30,607 --> 01:24:32,358 A political bombshell. 1571 01:24:32,442 --> 01:24:34,486 Cuyahoga County Prosecutor, Tim McGinty, 1572 01:24:34,569 --> 01:24:36,821 loses his re-election bid to Michael O'Malley. 1573 01:24:36,905 --> 01:24:38,990 [reporter 32] McGinty's handling of the Tamir Rice case 1574 01:24:39,074 --> 01:24:41,493 outraged much of the African American community. 1575 01:24:41,576 --> 01:24:44,287 Police and supporters were upset McGinty prosecuted Michael Brelo 1576 01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:49,042 for his being the main shooter that killed Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams. 1577 01:24:52,921 --> 01:24:54,506 [indistinct chatter] 1578 01:24:55,548 --> 01:24:57,300 I was very, very proud 1579 01:24:57,383 --> 01:24:59,010 {\an8}when Michael became a policeman. 1580 01:24:59,094 --> 01:25:03,348 {\an8}My dad in heaven would have been extremely proud. 1581 01:25:04,974 --> 01:25:06,351 [Brelo] That's my grandfather. 1582 01:25:06,851 --> 01:25:10,522 He was actually the first 416. Badge 416. 1583 01:25:10,605 --> 01:25:14,859 And then my uncle, his son, got it, and I became 416. 1584 01:25:14,943 --> 01:25:18,363 You know, keep it in the family. It's a third-generation badge, so… 1585 01:25:18,905 --> 01:25:22,867 He, uh, was around during the Hough riots. He was a pretty tough guy. 1586 01:25:22,951 --> 01:25:24,828 I liked him a lot, so… 1587 01:25:25,328 --> 01:25:28,665 He was an army veteran as well. A navy veteran. 1588 01:25:29,874 --> 01:25:34,546 So, you know, we keep that around. It's good to remember where you come from. 1589 01:25:39,050 --> 01:25:40,760 [siren chirping] 1590 01:25:41,386 --> 01:25:45,473 [reporter 33] The half-century championship drought is over in Cleveland. 1591 01:25:45,557 --> 01:25:49,477 LeBron James and the Cavaliers completing an unprecedented series comeback. 1592 01:25:49,561 --> 01:25:51,771 Today, touching down to a hero's welcome. 1593 01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:53,731 -[James] Cleveland! -[crowd cheering] 1594 01:25:53,815 --> 01:25:55,859 [reporter 34] Over a million people swarm the streets. 1595 01:25:55,942 --> 01:25:57,944 [reporter 35] It's only fitting Cleveland is home 1596 01:25:58,027 --> 01:25:59,404 to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, 1597 01:25:59,487 --> 01:26:01,948 for today every block of this jubilant city 1598 01:26:02,031 --> 01:26:04,534 is truly rocking and rolling. 1599 01:26:04,617 --> 01:26:08,788 [James] 2016 world champions, Cleveland, Ohio! 1600 01:26:08,872 --> 01:26:11,249 [reporter 36] The eyes of the world will remain on Cleveland. 1601 01:26:11,332 --> 01:26:15,545 Work crews turning the Cavs' home court into center stage, hosting Donald Trump 1602 01:26:15,628 --> 01:26:18,089 and the Republican National Convention next month. 1603 01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:21,467 [reporter 37] RNC organizers told the Cleveland City Council 1604 01:26:21,551 --> 01:26:25,889 they have worries that a rocky campaign will lead to violence at the convention. 1605 01:26:25,972 --> 01:26:28,474 [reporter 38] Hundreds of police officers from across the country 1606 01:26:28,558 --> 01:26:30,894 are taking an oath to protect and serve here in Cleveland. 1607 01:26:30,977 --> 01:26:33,438 [reporter 37] The FBI is heading up counterterrorism efforts, 1608 01:26:33,521 --> 01:26:37,692 and the Secret Service is providing safety support for local businesses. 1609 01:26:37,775 --> 01:26:40,653 [dramatic music playing] 1610 01:26:42,488 --> 01:26:44,115 [Frazier] We're turning into a country 1611 01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:46,409 that the founding fathers never envisioned, 1612 01:26:46,492 --> 01:26:51,706 that men with guns start making the rules and decide which rules they want to obey. 1613 01:26:52,332 --> 01:26:56,669 And we're seeing the results of it with young Black males being killed. 1614 01:26:57,545 --> 01:27:00,798 And it's not just Cleveland, it's nationwide. 1615 01:27:01,549 --> 01:27:03,801 [reporter 39] We begin tonight {\an8}with the growing outrage 1616 01:27:03,885 --> 01:27:06,554 {\an8}after a deadly police shooting in Baton Rouge. 1617 01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:08,056 {\an8}[boy sobbing] My dad! 1618 01:27:08,139 --> 01:27:10,308 He is 15 years old. 1619 01:27:10,391 --> 01:27:12,477 [reporter 40] Sterling's family demanding answers. 1620 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:13,394 [sobs] 1621 01:27:14,145 --> 01:27:15,605 {\an8}[woman 9] Stay with me. 1622 01:27:15,688 --> 01:27:19,108 {\an8}We got pulled over for a busted taillight in the back, 1623 01:27:19,192 --> 01:27:22,320 {\an8}and the police just… They killed my boyfriend. 1624 01:27:22,904 --> 01:27:25,240 -[cop] Get on your knees. -[Williams] Those are crimes. 1625 01:27:25,323 --> 01:27:29,494 They're not justifiable police tactics and uses of force. 1626 01:27:29,577 --> 01:27:32,288 They're inhumane. They're unconscionable. 1627 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,793 The US Supreme Court standard, Graham v. Connors, 1628 01:27:36,876 --> 01:27:38,253 that's the minimal standard. 1629 01:27:38,336 --> 01:27:40,046 That's the floor. 1630 01:27:40,630 --> 01:27:44,509 Police departments need to hold themselves to a higher standard 1631 01:27:45,009 --> 01:27:47,053 that is driven by human dignity and respect, 1632 01:27:47,845 --> 01:27:51,641 {\an8}that is driven by policies that allow them the time, 1633 01:27:51,724 --> 01:27:53,393 in second situations, 1634 01:27:53,476 --> 01:27:55,979 to assess in a different kind of way. 1635 01:28:00,233 --> 01:28:01,943 [reporter 41] On the eve of this convention, 1636 01:28:02,026 --> 01:28:06,406 the country has been shaken by another deadly act of violence. 1637 01:28:06,489 --> 01:28:09,575 Three officers shot and killed, three others wounded 1638 01:28:09,659 --> 01:28:11,119 in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 1639 01:28:11,202 --> 01:28:12,453 [reporter 42] As for the gunman, 1640 01:28:12,537 --> 01:28:15,290 we're told he left the US Marine Corps back in 2010 1641 01:28:15,373 --> 01:28:16,833 with an honorable discharge. 1642 01:28:16,916 --> 01:28:19,502 Between the Dallas shooting and the shooting today, 1643 01:28:19,585 --> 01:28:22,005 we've had two former members of the military 1644 01:28:22,088 --> 01:28:26,175 kill eight police and wound another ten, including a number of veterans. 1645 01:28:26,259 --> 01:28:30,972 And in this country, roughly 20 veterans commit suicide every day. 1646 01:28:31,055 --> 01:28:33,850 [Loomis] I don't know how we got to this point in America, 1647 01:28:33,933 --> 01:28:37,145 where the police officers are the enemies. 1648 01:28:37,228 --> 01:28:39,105 I can tell you this. Um… 1649 01:28:39,188 --> 01:28:40,940 They have us bunkered down. 1650 01:28:41,566 --> 01:28:43,943 Um, we're not getting out of the cars. 1651 01:28:44,027 --> 01:28:46,529 Across the country, we're not proactively policing. 1652 01:28:46,612 --> 01:28:50,366 We'll go there if we're called there, but we're not doing anything proactive, 1653 01:28:50,450 --> 01:28:52,160 and we're not going to do it 1654 01:28:52,243 --> 01:28:54,495 until something changes and changes in a big way. 1655 01:28:55,705 --> 01:28:58,708 [Frazier] That's the threat that police hold in America. 1656 01:28:58,791 --> 01:29:00,918 It's called the blue flu. 1657 01:29:01,502 --> 01:29:03,421 That cops basically say, 1658 01:29:03,504 --> 01:29:07,133 "If you don't let us police the way we want to police, 1659 01:29:07,633 --> 01:29:09,886 we'll quit policing altogether." 1660 01:29:09,969 --> 01:29:12,221 And this goes back to power. 1661 01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:14,807 Who really runs the country? 1662 01:29:14,891 --> 01:29:17,894 And cops say, "We run the country." 1663 01:29:18,895 --> 01:29:21,856 We're gonna ask Paul in Twinsburg his thoughts. 1664 01:29:22,774 --> 01:29:24,692 [Paul on phone] Yeah. Are… 1665 01:29:24,776 --> 01:29:26,527 What is your nationality? 1666 01:29:26,611 --> 01:29:29,197 -[Frazier] My nationality? -Yes. 1667 01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,615 [Frazier] I'm an American. 1668 01:29:31,699 --> 01:29:34,577 Why? Oh, what did you think I was gonna say? 1669 01:29:35,203 --> 01:29:37,205 -[Paul] I don't know. -I'm an American. 1670 01:29:37,288 --> 01:29:39,791 So, your next question. Go ahead. 1671 01:29:40,792 --> 01:29:42,335 And what do you stand for? 1672 01:29:42,418 --> 01:29:46,506 What? I… I stand for democratic principles. 1673 01:29:46,589 --> 01:29:49,759 Now, we talked about three very intelligent conversations 1674 01:29:49,842 --> 01:29:51,761 about building up the Black community. 1675 01:29:51,844 --> 01:29:53,221 Nobody called. 1676 01:29:53,304 --> 01:29:55,681 We start talking about the Brelo case, 1677 01:29:55,765 --> 01:29:58,351 my goodness, the board lights up. 1678 01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:02,897 [melancholy music playing] 1679 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,116 [Colvin] I ain't going nowhere! 1680 01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:16,869 And the reason I know that the fate of this nation is in our hands? 1681 01:30:16,953 --> 01:30:18,663 'Cause we built this country. 1682 01:30:18,746 --> 01:30:20,248 [applause, whistling] 1683 01:30:20,331 --> 01:30:23,334 {\an8}My Mama and Daddy helped build this country. 1684 01:30:23,418 --> 01:30:25,503 {\an8}We helped start this country. 1685 01:30:25,586 --> 01:30:27,463 We bled in the same wars. 1686 01:30:27,547 --> 01:30:29,590 We fought in the same battles. 1687 01:30:29,674 --> 01:30:31,384 We have blood in the same streets. 1688 01:30:31,467 --> 01:30:34,220 How can you talk about "You want your country back"? 1689 01:30:34,303 --> 01:30:36,889 This ain't all your country in the first place. 1690 01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:38,975 [applause] 1691 01:30:39,058 --> 01:30:40,601 [Colvin] This our country too! 1692 01:30:44,981 --> 01:30:46,399 Without further ado, 1693 01:30:46,482 --> 01:30:48,734 {\an8}Dr. Cornel West. 1694 01:30:48,818 --> 01:30:52,655 {\an8}Let's give him an Olivet-Cleveland-Ohio welcome. 1695 01:30:52,738 --> 01:30:54,031 {\an8}[applause] 1696 01:30:54,699 --> 01:30:56,409 [organ playing] 1697 01:30:58,703 --> 01:31:01,581 So I wanna begin with an epigraph 1698 01:31:01,664 --> 01:31:05,585 from the greatest intellectual ever produced in the American empire, 1699 01:31:05,668 --> 01:31:09,088 the greatest scholar ever produced in American democracy. 1700 01:31:09,172 --> 01:31:11,674 His name was W. E. B. Du Bois. 1701 01:31:12,258 --> 01:31:16,471 And Du Bois says every generation has to deal with four questions. 1702 01:31:18,347 --> 01:31:24,937 {\an8}The first question is: how shall integrity face oppression? 1703 01:31:25,021 --> 01:31:27,440 {\an8}[applause] 1704 01:31:27,523 --> 01:31:29,525 [West] Let that linger for a while. 1705 01:31:29,609 --> 01:31:31,736 Let it sit on your mind, heart, and soul. 1706 01:31:31,819 --> 01:31:34,405 How shall integrity face oppression? 1707 01:31:34,489 --> 01:31:35,990 -[applause] -Amen. 1708 01:31:37,867 --> 01:31:41,579 [West] And the second question is: how shall honesty 1709 01:31:42,663 --> 01:31:44,207 meet deception? 1710 01:31:45,666 --> 01:31:49,504 The mendacity, the lies, lies, lies, 1711 01:31:49,587 --> 01:31:52,298 beginning with white supremacy itself. 1712 01:31:52,965 --> 01:31:54,425 What a lie! 1713 01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:58,638 Black people less beautiful, less moral, less intelligent. 1714 01:31:58,721 --> 01:32:00,723 [applause] 1715 01:32:02,517 --> 01:32:07,146 [crowd chanting on TV] USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! 1716 01:32:08,481 --> 01:32:13,486 {\an8}Our convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. 1717 01:32:13,569 --> 01:32:16,197 {\an8}The attacks on our police 1718 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,200 and the terrorism of our cities 1719 01:32:19,283 --> 01:32:23,079 threaten our very way of life. 1720 01:32:23,162 --> 01:32:25,998 [West] A nation that lies to itself about its innocence 1721 01:32:26,082 --> 01:32:29,168 and hides and conceals its violence, 1722 01:32:29,252 --> 01:32:33,381 psychic, economic, social, and physical violence, 1723 01:32:33,464 --> 01:32:36,884 from plantation to lynching, on to trigger-happy police. 1724 01:32:36,968 --> 01:32:42,682 [Trump] There can be no prosperity without law and order. 1725 01:32:43,849 --> 01:32:47,019 How great are our police? 1726 01:32:47,103 --> 01:32:49,564 And how great is Cleveland? 1727 01:32:49,647 --> 01:32:51,649 [crowd cheers enthusiastically] 1728 01:32:51,732 --> 01:32:53,734 [patrons clapping] 1729 01:32:56,862 --> 01:32:58,406 [West] Third question. 1730 01:32:59,448 --> 01:33:01,867 What does decency do 1731 01:33:02,702 --> 01:33:06,872 in the face of insult and assault and attack? 1732 01:33:09,292 --> 01:33:13,170 And, you see, in an age of massive assault… 1733 01:33:13,254 --> 01:33:14,171 [coughs] 1734 01:33:14,255 --> 01:33:16,841 …institutions, structures… 1735 01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,722 [Trump] The irresponsible rhetoric of our president, 1736 01:33:23,598 --> 01:33:26,517 who has used the pulpit of the presidency 1737 01:33:26,601 --> 01:33:29,520 to divide us by race and color, 1738 01:33:29,604 --> 01:33:35,276 has made America a more dangerous environment 1739 01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:37,486 than, frankly, I have ever seen, 1740 01:33:37,570 --> 01:33:42,742 and anybody in this room has ever watched or seen. 1741 01:33:43,743 --> 01:33:45,328 [West] The last question: 1742 01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,540 What does virtue do in the face of brute force? 1743 01:33:49,624 --> 01:33:53,878 And the virtue that he's talking about is the enabling virtue of courage. 1744 01:33:55,713 --> 01:33:57,298 [Trump] I have a message. 1745 01:33:57,381 --> 01:33:59,133 To every last person 1746 01:33:59,216 --> 01:34:02,094 threatening the peace on our streets 1747 01:34:02,178 --> 01:34:04,305 and the safety of our police. 1748 01:34:05,306 --> 01:34:09,602 When I take the oath of office next year, 1749 01:34:10,186 --> 01:34:14,774 I will restore law and order to our country. 1750 01:34:15,650 --> 01:34:17,568 -Believe me. Believe me. -[man clapping] 1751 01:34:17,652 --> 01:34:19,070 [crowd cheering] 1752 01:34:19,153 --> 01:34:23,491 Every generation has to attempt to meet the standards 1753 01:34:23,574 --> 01:34:28,954 of integrity, honesty, decency, and courage. 1754 01:34:29,038 --> 01:34:33,584 [congregation applauding] 1755 01:34:45,346 --> 01:34:48,641 [Alfredo] Growing up, we all stayed in a house, and there was 14 of us. 1756 01:34:48,724 --> 01:34:50,726 Grandma raised us. 1757 01:34:50,810 --> 01:34:52,645 Malissa was an excellent kid. 1758 01:34:52,728 --> 01:34:55,147 {\an8}Did the normal thing, what a normal kid do. 1759 01:34:55,231 --> 01:34:56,565 {\an8}Go outside, play. 1760 01:34:58,192 --> 01:35:02,488 We didn't get no justice for my sister. We didn't get no justice. 1761 01:35:03,072 --> 01:35:05,157 This case need to be tried again. 1762 01:35:05,241 --> 01:35:08,661 That man, Officer Brelo, need to be in prison. 1763 01:35:08,744 --> 01:35:11,288 Firing him, that's not good enough for me. 1764 01:35:12,832 --> 01:35:15,167 They don't deserve to be out here on this street. 1765 01:35:16,001 --> 01:35:18,879 Let that had been me who shot somebody that many times, 1766 01:35:19,422 --> 01:35:21,966 shot them two in a car that many times. 1767 01:35:22,466 --> 01:35:23,718 They killing me. 1768 01:35:25,886 --> 01:35:27,888 [Samaria] Tamir, my beloved son, 1769 01:35:27,972 --> 01:35:30,975 two police officers took your precious life. 1770 01:35:31,684 --> 01:35:33,602 You were only 12 years old. 1771 01:35:34,812 --> 01:35:39,150 Although there has been no accountability 1772 01:35:39,233 --> 01:35:41,527 for your untimely death, 1773 01:35:41,610 --> 01:35:47,199 I fight daily to make sure that your name continues to live on 1774 01:35:47,283 --> 01:35:49,285 and that you did not die in vain. 1775 01:35:49,869 --> 01:35:51,078 Love, Mom. 1776 01:35:55,499 --> 01:35:58,377 Hi, this is Michelle, calling from the non-profit organization 1777 01:35:58,461 --> 01:35:59,628 From Darkness to Light. 1778 01:36:00,129 --> 01:36:02,631 This is our charity. It's called From Darkness to Light. 1779 01:36:02,715 --> 01:36:05,760 We provide food for homeless and needy people. 1780 01:36:05,843 --> 01:36:09,472 And my brother, Tim, he was really instrumental in the beginning. 1781 01:36:09,555 --> 01:36:13,267 We started it in 2005, and now here we are, still doing it, 1782 01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:19,064 because he had such a passion for helping people. 1783 01:36:19,148 --> 01:36:22,359 And, you know, that's why we're doing this, and, um… 1784 01:36:23,235 --> 01:36:25,571 Yeah, I just… I, uh… 1785 01:36:26,781 --> 01:36:31,118 {\an8}I try not to harbor, you know, ill in my heart, 1786 01:36:31,202 --> 01:36:35,998 {\an8}and I always try to think of things in somebody else's point of view. 1787 01:36:36,582 --> 01:36:40,294 But until this day, I just cannot understand 1788 01:36:40,377 --> 01:36:43,547 how or why they would have shot 1789 01:36:44,632 --> 01:36:47,259 Tim and Malissa so many times. 1790 01:36:51,388 --> 01:36:54,225 [reporter 43] Five years after more than a dozen Cleveland police officers 1791 01:36:54,308 --> 01:36:57,394 fired an astounding 137 shots into a car… 1792 01:36:57,478 --> 01:37:00,314 [reporter 44] Cleveland Police are reinstating five officers 1793 01:37:00,397 --> 01:37:04,360 involved in the 2012 high-profile police chase and shooting 1794 01:37:04,443 --> 01:37:07,822 that left Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams dead. 1795 01:37:09,490 --> 01:37:12,493 [Brelo] I got a call from the union president, Steve Loomis. 1796 01:37:13,077 --> 01:37:16,497 He told me that the arbitrator finally decided, 1797 01:37:16,997 --> 01:37:19,166 and I did not get my job back. 1798 01:37:19,250 --> 01:37:21,001 The other five did though. 1799 01:37:21,085 --> 01:37:23,546 [suspenseful music playing] 1800 01:37:23,629 --> 01:37:26,632 [sirens wailing] 1801 01:37:27,424 --> 01:37:29,093 [Almeida]{\an8} Chevy just popped a round. 1802 01:37:29,176 --> 01:37:30,427 {\an8}He's pointing a gun. 1803 01:37:30,511 --> 01:37:32,346 [O'Neill] {\an8}Shots fired! Shots fired! 1804 01:37:35,641 --> 01:37:38,060 [Brelo] I've relived that night so many times. 1805 01:37:38,143 --> 01:37:39,645 Every night pretty much. 1806 01:37:40,813 --> 01:37:42,606 It kinda reminded me of Iraq. 1807 01:37:44,733 --> 01:37:48,696 Like, there was dust everywhere from this back road that we're going in. 1808 01:37:49,738 --> 01:37:50,739 It's dark. 1809 01:37:51,448 --> 01:37:53,701 And through my time in the military, 1810 01:37:53,784 --> 01:37:56,370 you're trained, when in an ambush attack, 1811 01:37:56,871 --> 01:37:59,957 you're supposed to face the enemy and push through it. 1812 01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,000 [gunfire] 1813 01:38:01,083 --> 01:38:04,253 Police are trying to become paramilitary, like military. 1814 01:38:04,753 --> 01:38:06,338 That's how we were trained. 1815 01:38:06,422 --> 01:38:09,216 [gunfire continues] 1816 01:38:17,349 --> 01:38:20,728 [Williams] Cuyahoga means "crooked river." It's a Native American word. 1817 01:38:22,271 --> 01:38:25,524 The Cuyahoga River helps us to think about 1818 01:38:25,608 --> 01:38:28,986 the meandering of justice or lack thereof. 1819 01:38:32,781 --> 01:38:34,867 [Frazier] As the river bends, 1820 01:38:35,367 --> 01:38:37,077 so do societies. 1821 01:38:37,161 --> 01:38:39,204 They ebb and flow. 1822 01:38:39,288 --> 01:38:42,458 They improve. They step back. 1823 01:38:44,627 --> 01:38:48,297 Now, the genius of the American system 1824 01:38:48,380 --> 01:38:50,716 is that, over time, it self-corrects, 1825 01:38:52,927 --> 01:38:55,596 that if it goes too far in one direction, 1826 01:38:55,679 --> 01:38:57,473 the public will pull it back. 1827 01:38:57,556 --> 01:38:59,683 But that doesn't apply to policing. 1828 01:39:00,517 --> 01:39:04,146 The institution never goes back the other way. 1829 01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:05,439 Why? 1830 01:39:05,522 --> 01:39:07,733 'Cause there's nothing to go back to. 1831 01:39:07,816 --> 01:39:10,152 I will light you up. Get out of the car! 1832 01:39:10,235 --> 01:39:13,530 [Frazier] They have the gun, the power, the badge, 1833 01:39:13,614 --> 01:39:17,701 and the belief that they're going to be exonerated, 1834 01:39:17,785 --> 01:39:19,536 no matter what they do. 1835 01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:21,705 [reporter 45] All charges have been dropped against police 1836 01:39:21,789 --> 01:39:23,123 in the death of Freddie Gray. 1837 01:39:23,207 --> 01:39:25,751 [reporter 46] Prosecutors will not bring charges 1838 01:39:25,834 --> 01:39:29,421 {\an8}against any police officer involved in the death of Eric Garner. 1839 01:39:29,505 --> 01:39:30,923 I can't breathe. 1840 01:39:31,882 --> 01:39:34,426 Police officer Alan Buford has been acquitted. 1841 01:39:34,510 --> 01:39:37,388 [reporter 47] The officer, Jeronimo Yanez, has been found not guilty. 1842 01:39:37,471 --> 01:39:40,557 [reporter 48] Perjury charges against that trooper have been dismissed. 1843 01:39:41,558 --> 01:39:44,603 {\an8}[Frazier] We have a broken criminal justice system in America, 1844 01:39:44,687 --> 01:39:48,190 and the point of the spear is police officers with guns, 1845 01:39:48,273 --> 01:39:51,527 but behind that, there's a broken grand jury system, 1846 01:39:51,610 --> 01:39:53,112 a broken prison system 1847 01:39:53,195 --> 01:39:57,658 that all points to officers overreacting with weapons. 1848 01:39:57,741 --> 01:40:00,244 [officer] Completely in fear for my life. Scared to death. 1849 01:40:00,327 --> 01:40:04,123 [reporter 49] How much evidence does it take to indict a white police officer? 1850 01:40:04,206 --> 01:40:07,960 [Robert Kennedy] When you teach a man to hate and to fear his brother, 1851 01:40:09,461 --> 01:40:12,881 when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color, 1852 01:40:15,342 --> 01:40:18,095 {\an8}then you also learn to confront others 1853 01:40:18,178 --> 01:40:21,181 {\an8}not as fellow citizens but as enemies, 1854 01:40:22,016 --> 01:40:25,561 {\an8}to be met not with cooperation but with conquest. 1855 01:40:28,772 --> 01:40:33,027 {\an8}The question is whether we can find, in our own midst and in our own hearts, 1856 01:40:34,028 --> 01:40:36,280 {\an8}that leadership of humane purpose 1857 01:40:36,363 --> 01:40:40,159 that will recognize the terrible truth of our existence. 1858 01:40:41,201 --> 01:40:44,496 We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions 1859 01:40:45,706 --> 01:40:48,167 and learn to find our own advancement 1860 01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:52,629 in search for the advancement of all. 1861 01:41:19,907 --> 01:41:21,366 [Frazier] {\an8}See, I believe change is coming. 1862 01:41:21,450 --> 01:41:25,662 {\an8}I think that the genie is out of the bottle on police brutality. 1863 01:41:25,746 --> 01:41:30,000 It is a call-in show, and we got Paul on the line. 1864 01:41:30,084 --> 01:41:31,293 [Paul] Yeah. Hi, Mansfield. 1865 01:41:31,376 --> 01:41:32,211 [Frazier] How are you? 1866 01:41:32,294 --> 01:41:37,174 [Paul] Yes, this is the best radio show in Cleveland bar none. 1867 01:41:37,257 --> 01:41:39,134 [Frazier] Well, your check is in the mail, Paul. 1868 01:41:39,218 --> 01:41:40,719 I always like for you to say that. 1869 01:41:40,803 --> 01:41:43,055 -[Paul] Thank you. You do good work. -[Mitchell laughing]