1 00:00:00,741 --> 00:00:04,241 (film projector rattling) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,240 - [Narrator] From humble beginnings 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,730 to legendary award-winning journalist, 6 00:00:11,730 --> 00:00:13,860 Jaime Maussan has been trusted 7 00:00:13,860 --> 00:00:18,253 as the voice as the people in Mexico for more than 47 years. 8 00:00:19,194 --> 00:00:20,500 (clock ticking) 9 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:23,750 (in foreign language) 10 00:00:51,078 --> 00:00:53,977 (audience clapping) 11 00:00:53,977 --> 00:00:57,144 (in foreign language) 12 00:01:04,237 --> 00:01:06,785 - [Narrator] In the mid-90s, Maussan brought the subject 13 00:01:06,785 --> 00:01:09,363 of UFO's to the spotlight. 14 00:01:09,363 --> 00:01:12,440 - [Jaime] Then I became the anchor, and finally 15 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,680 the director of the show that was on the air until 1995. 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,320 From then on, I became involved with something 17 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:24,070 that I felt was very important, UFO's. 18 00:01:24,070 --> 00:01:27,080 I know many people think that they are not important, 19 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,030 that they are an illusion or fantasy, 20 00:01:30,030 --> 00:01:33,810 but I realized that many people have cameras 21 00:01:34,770 --> 00:01:36,470 at the beginning of the 90s, 22 00:01:36,470 --> 00:01:38,800 and they were able to record the UFO's, 23 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,810 and I thought that I had a chance 24 00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:45,053 with these evidences to change the way people think. 25 00:01:48,112 --> 00:01:50,279 (banging) 26 00:01:51,848 --> 00:01:55,265 (eerie electronic music) 27 00:02:04,260 --> 00:02:05,520 - [Narrator] Maussan has received 28 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,860 the United Nation's Global 500 Award, 29 00:02:08,860 --> 00:02:13,130 three times the National Prize of Journalism in Mexico, 30 00:02:13,130 --> 00:02:16,780 the Ondas Award for journalists in Spain. 31 00:02:16,780 --> 00:02:21,160 He was recognized at the capital in Washington, DC. 32 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,680 Currently, he is presenting Third Millennium News 33 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:29,160 from Monday to Friday at 10 p.m. on national television. 34 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,180 This news has set the standard 35 00:02:31,180 --> 00:02:35,690 for audience records for the channel, A-Plus Amas, 36 00:02:35,690 --> 00:02:37,290 on several occasions. 37 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:39,890 Tercer Milenio continues to be presented 38 00:02:39,890 --> 00:02:42,240 every Sunday on prime time, 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,240 after 22 years of uninterrupted transmission on Mexican TV. 40 00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:49,823 - I was not gonna be a journalist. 41 00:02:51,010 --> 00:02:55,610 I was gonna be an administrative worker for my father. 42 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:57,580 He had a company, 43 00:02:57,580 --> 00:03:01,990 and he wished that I was able 44 00:03:01,990 --> 00:03:03,683 to take care of his company, 45 00:03:05,490 --> 00:03:08,800 and I never thought that I wanted to be a journalist, 46 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,420 because 50 years ago the journalists in Mexico 47 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:16,210 were not very honest. 48 00:03:16,210 --> 00:03:19,010 They wanted money for everything 49 00:03:19,010 --> 00:03:22,820 they put on the TV or in the newspaper. 50 00:03:22,820 --> 00:03:26,130 My father was a rancher, 51 00:03:26,130 --> 00:03:27,730 he had bullfights, 52 00:03:27,730 --> 00:03:30,840 he was also impresario 53 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,240 for big bullrings. 54 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,770 He organized bullfights. 55 00:03:35,770 --> 00:03:39,170 Even my aunt was a bullfighter, 56 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:41,993 then I was going to become one, 57 00:03:43,580 --> 00:03:45,860 but at the same time my father wanted me 58 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:47,413 to take care of his business. 59 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:53,220 But in the last day when I had to choose my major, 60 00:03:53,220 --> 00:03:55,270 a friend of mine came to me, 61 00:03:55,270 --> 00:03:59,490 and asked me what was gonna be my future, 62 00:03:59,490 --> 00:04:02,970 what kind of major I was going to choose? 63 00:04:02,970 --> 00:04:05,283 Business administration, something like that. 64 00:04:06,441 --> 00:04:07,980 And he said, "Oh that's boring." 65 00:04:07,980 --> 00:04:09,167 and I said, "Why?" 66 00:04:09,167 --> 00:04:12,487 "Because it's just numbers, you know, 67 00:04:12,487 --> 00:04:15,710 "in a closed place, with no windows, so on." 68 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:17,920 And I said, "What are you going to study?" 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,400 He said, "Journalism." 70 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,557 And I said, "Oh, you're gonna be a corrupt man, 71 00:04:22,557 --> 00:04:24,850 "you're gonna take money from people." 72 00:04:24,850 --> 00:04:29,417 And he said, "No, journalism is to change the world. 73 00:04:29,417 --> 00:04:32,687 "Journalism is the possibility to create conscience. 74 00:04:32,687 --> 00:04:37,687 "Journalism is traveling, journalism is going into the open, 75 00:04:37,987 --> 00:04:40,307 "and reporting what you find." 76 00:04:41,260 --> 00:04:42,483 And I liked that. 77 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,690 I immediately changed my major, 78 00:04:46,690 --> 00:04:49,940 probably the best decision I have done in my life. 79 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:54,490 Then, I decided, but my father didn't like the idea, 80 00:04:54,490 --> 00:04:56,020 and at the same time he knew 81 00:04:56,020 --> 00:05:00,200 that the journalists in Mexico were corrupt. 82 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:01,597 And I said to my father, 83 00:05:01,597 --> 00:05:06,597 "I will never, ever, father, take any money from anyone. 84 00:05:06,777 --> 00:05:09,787 "I'm gonna be a very clean and honest journalist." 85 00:05:10,650 --> 00:05:14,040 And I have kept that promise until now. 86 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,800 I've been an honest man, all my life. 87 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,640 And thanks to that, 88 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,370 I've been able to develop credibility. 89 00:05:21,370 --> 00:05:23,310 When I was a young kid, 90 00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:25,240 I saw the destruction of nature, 91 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,880 but I didn't know why I didn't like it. 92 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,690 I knew that the animals were being killed, 93 00:05:32,690 --> 00:05:35,410 there was business doing with animals, 94 00:05:35,410 --> 00:05:36,980 that anybody could take an animal 95 00:05:36,980 --> 00:05:40,950 from their habitats, 96 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:42,010 and sell it. 97 00:05:42,010 --> 00:05:43,860 When I found journalism, 98 00:05:43,860 --> 00:05:47,180 when I found my real passion for life, 99 00:05:47,180 --> 00:05:52,180 I really started to try to change my world. 100 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:54,330 And I was able to do it in many ways, 101 00:05:54,330 --> 00:05:57,550 because I worked in television 102 00:05:57,550 --> 00:05:59,697 with the most important journalists of Mexico. 103 00:05:59,697 --> 00:06:04,530 Jacobo Zabludovsky, the Walter Cronkite of the US, 104 00:06:04,530 --> 00:06:08,000 a man that was very well known everywhere in Mexico, 105 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,320 and I became very close to him, 106 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,460 in many ways, his right hand, 107 00:06:12,460 --> 00:06:14,750 even though I was almost a teenager. 108 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:17,270 When I did my first report, 109 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:20,250 I took my report to Cannes, in France. 110 00:06:20,250 --> 00:06:21,690 I was just 19, 111 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:24,950 and I received a scholarship from the US, 112 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:28,131 from an American university, 113 00:06:28,131 --> 00:06:29,730 the University of Ohio. 114 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:32,023 And I was able to finish my career then. 115 00:06:33,250 --> 00:06:37,330 When I came back I started working in journalism, 116 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:40,130 to try to protect the environment, 117 00:06:40,130 --> 00:06:43,253 to try to protect the woods and the jungles. 118 00:06:44,620 --> 00:06:47,960 I was able to find 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,820 the monarch butterfly in Mexico, 120 00:06:49,820 --> 00:06:54,160 their hidden places, where they hibernate. 121 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,613 Fred Urquhart, Canadian scientist, 122 00:06:58,503 --> 00:06:59,336 he's the one who found it. 123 00:06:59,336 --> 00:07:00,780 I mean he's the one who really 124 00:07:00,780 --> 00:07:03,620 tracked the monarch butterfly, 125 00:07:03,620 --> 00:07:06,850 but when he published his article 126 00:07:06,850 --> 00:07:08,010 in National Geographic, 127 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:09,640 he never said where it was. 128 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,270 My network, Televisa, asked me, 129 00:07:12,270 --> 00:07:13,520 to go out and find the place. 130 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,197 It took us two years to find it, 131 00:07:15,197 --> 00:07:18,700 but we finally did, and I was able to present 132 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:21,440 for the first time to the Mexican people, 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,290 the monarch butterfly, and I was able to 134 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:27,133 get protection for the monarch butterfly. 135 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:32,780 Then, working in 60 Minutes in Mexico as a reporter, 136 00:07:32,780 --> 00:07:34,600 I was able to get involved 137 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,360 with the protection of the turtles. 138 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,270 In Mexico we used to kill the turtles in slaughterhouses. 139 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:45,250 And thanks to my reporting on 60 Minutes, 140 00:07:45,250 --> 00:07:46,920 they were closed, 141 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,150 and we created laws to protect the turtles, 142 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:51,520 and that's the reason why 143 00:07:52,470 --> 00:07:54,990 some of the species of turtles 144 00:07:54,990 --> 00:07:56,770 have now recuperated. 145 00:07:56,770 --> 00:07:59,830 Then, I was able to do many things 146 00:07:59,830 --> 00:08:02,110 to speak about the climate change, 147 00:08:02,110 --> 00:08:06,460 or the global warming, back in 1986. 148 00:08:06,460 --> 00:08:11,460 I was able to speak about the El Nino current in '87, 149 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,110 or the depletion of the ozone layer in '88. 150 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:18,560 We were just two journalists from all around the world, 151 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,290 who went with NASA to the North Pole, 152 00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:25,480 to report if there was a hole in the North Pole, 153 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,150 as the one that had been observed in the South Pole. 154 00:08:29,150 --> 00:08:31,363 They found that no, there was not a hole, 155 00:08:32,277 --> 00:08:33,990 it was a little bit depleted, 156 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:37,020 but we didn't have the same problem, 157 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:41,170 because the currents are different in both poles. 158 00:08:41,170 --> 00:08:46,010 Anyway, I was able to be there with a German journalist, 159 00:08:46,010 --> 00:08:48,890 and even the NASA people were amazed, 160 00:08:48,890 --> 00:08:52,210 they said, a reporter, a journalist from 161 00:08:53,772 --> 00:08:55,260 a tropical country is here. 162 00:08:55,260 --> 00:09:00,260 Why, the Americans, why, the Europeans, are not here? 163 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,010 But I was very much involved 164 00:09:04,010 --> 00:09:05,620 in the protection of environment, 165 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:07,333 and when I found that news, 166 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:10,530 Televisa allowed me to go 167 00:09:10,530 --> 00:09:13,100 and participate with NASA, 168 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:17,470 in this investigation back in January, 1988. 169 00:09:17,470 --> 00:09:20,840 And I was able to do many other things, like for example, 170 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,670 to help the Tarahumaras in the Sierra in Mexico. 171 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:27,063 They were dying of hunger and cold, 172 00:09:28,706 --> 00:09:29,539 also in '88, '87, 173 00:09:31,256 --> 00:09:34,553 and we were able to get thousands of funds 174 00:09:35,730 --> 00:09:37,700 of food for them, 175 00:09:37,700 --> 00:09:40,850 with a report on 60 Minutes in Mexico. 176 00:09:40,850 --> 00:09:42,680 Then I became the anchor, 177 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:45,300 and finally the director of this show 178 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:48,110 that was on the air until 1995. 179 00:09:48,110 --> 00:09:50,950 From then on, I became involved 180 00:09:50,950 --> 00:09:54,177 with something that I thought was very important, UFO's. 181 00:09:55,500 --> 00:09:58,510 I know many people think that they are not important, 182 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:01,470 that they are an illusion or fantasy, 183 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:06,170 but I realized that many people have cameras, 184 00:10:06,170 --> 00:10:07,900 at the beginning of the 90's, 185 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:10,250 and they were able to record the UFO's. 186 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:13,260 And I thought that I had a chance, 187 00:10:13,260 --> 00:10:16,573 with these evidences, to change the way people think. 188 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,450 Back in 1991, 189 00:10:20,450 --> 00:10:23,540 there was a total solar eclipse in Mexico, 190 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:25,180 probably the longest, 191 00:10:25,180 --> 00:10:27,630 or the second longest in the whole century, 192 00:10:27,630 --> 00:10:30,100 six minutes and 54 seconds. 193 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:33,340 And people, many people in Mexico 194 00:10:33,340 --> 00:10:35,660 recorded the solar eclipse, 195 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:37,643 but some people got UFO's, 196 00:10:38,570 --> 00:10:40,400 in the middle of the videos, 197 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,183 and I thought that was very important. 198 00:10:44,508 --> 00:10:47,675 (in foreign language) 199 00:12:14,710 --> 00:12:16,160 - I was invited to this program 200 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,060 because I had done 201 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,903 a report on 60 Minutes about Billy Meier, 202 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:23,653 and people identified me, 203 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:25,930 but as a matter of fact, 204 00:12:25,930 --> 00:12:28,490 I didn't want to go to this television show, 205 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:32,843 because I thought that UFO's were not good for journalists, 206 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:36,090 that they were very risky, 207 00:12:36,090 --> 00:12:38,480 and I shouldn't get involved with this. 208 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,612 But my company, my network, 209 00:12:40,612 --> 00:12:42,507 I don't need to go to this show (foreign words). 210 00:12:45,135 --> 00:12:46,150 And it was so successful 211 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:47,780 they asked me to go for a second time, 212 00:12:47,780 --> 00:12:49,380 and I didn't want to go. 213 00:12:49,380 --> 00:12:51,280 I really didn't want to go. 214 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,377 I said, "That's it, no more UFO's please." 215 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:57,267 But this man insisted. 216 00:12:57,267 --> 00:12:59,087 "Please, this is the last time. 217 00:12:59,087 --> 00:13:01,027 "Let's do another show, 218 00:13:01,027 --> 00:13:05,097 "because you know how many people saw this, 219 00:13:05,097 --> 00:13:07,817 "millions and millions and millions of people, 220 00:13:07,817 --> 00:13:09,617 "and I want to do a new one." 221 00:13:10,730 --> 00:13:12,530 And I say okay, but this is the last one. 222 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:14,220 This is really the last show. 223 00:13:14,220 --> 00:13:19,220 And I went there and I was able to find these videos, 224 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:22,240 that were recorded by some people of the eclipse, 225 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,390 where they found UFO's. 226 00:13:26,325 --> 00:13:28,460 When I presented this, 227 00:13:28,460 --> 00:13:29,500 very early in the morning, 228 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:32,412 probably three of four o'clock in the morning, 229 00:13:32,412 --> 00:13:33,870 it was a revolution. 230 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:35,760 Thousands of people came to the television. 231 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,000 At five o'clock in the morning 232 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,830 there were more than five or 10 thousand people 233 00:13:39,830 --> 00:13:40,970 outside the station, 234 00:13:40,970 --> 00:13:42,360 because they wanted to get in, 235 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,000 because they were so excited with these videos, 236 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,950 and after that show, 237 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:49,120 nothing was the same for me in my life. 238 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,780 I received many invitations 239 00:13:50,780 --> 00:13:53,560 from different universities in Mexico, 240 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,680 then I received invitations from 241 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:59,050 international congresses around the world, 242 00:13:59,050 --> 00:14:01,020 and I couldn't get away. 243 00:14:01,020 --> 00:14:02,360 I couldn't get away anymore. 244 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,560 Then I started, even without, 245 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,830 even thinking to get so much involved, 246 00:14:08,830 --> 00:14:10,567 because people send me videos. 247 00:14:10,567 --> 00:14:13,597 I have hundreds of videos of UFO's. 248 00:14:13,597 --> 00:14:17,530 And then I realized that this was very important, 249 00:14:17,530 --> 00:14:19,080 this was a new phenomenon, 250 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,140 a phenomenon inside a phenomenon, 251 00:14:21,140 --> 00:14:23,940 where people were recording these things with cameras, 252 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:26,020 because everybody had a camera now. 253 00:14:26,020 --> 00:14:30,660 Or many people had a camera, VHS, back in '90-'91. 254 00:14:30,660 --> 00:14:33,080 And I thought with the development of technology, 255 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,020 more and more and more people 256 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:36,510 are gonna have cameras. 257 00:14:36,510 --> 00:14:38,827 And then I said, "Well, 258 00:14:38,827 --> 00:14:40,773 "I am very sure in the future, 259 00:14:41,627 --> 00:14:43,167 "everyone is gonna have a camera, 260 00:14:43,167 --> 00:14:45,247 "and we will be able to have 261 00:14:45,247 --> 00:14:48,480 "many more videos, many more evidences." 262 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,900 And I started to promote 263 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:53,683 people to watch the sky, 264 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,810 when they have time to watch the sky, 265 00:14:57,810 --> 00:15:00,030 and record whatever was there. 266 00:15:00,030 --> 00:15:02,150 I never thought this was gonna be successful, 267 00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:05,600 but then I received one video recorded by one person, 268 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,174 and then another, 269 00:15:07,174 --> 00:15:08,910 and another, and another, 270 00:15:08,910 --> 00:15:12,390 and then dozens, and then hundreds, 271 00:15:12,390 --> 00:15:14,370 and then I didn't know what to do 272 00:15:14,370 --> 00:15:16,163 with so much evidence I had. 273 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,850 And 1995 ended 60 Minutes, 274 00:15:21,850 --> 00:15:25,459 and I received more and more invitations 275 00:15:25,459 --> 00:15:27,453 to present conferences. 276 00:15:28,540 --> 00:15:30,760 And I went all around Mexico, 277 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,520 and I mean all around Mexico, 278 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,950 presenting all the evidences, 279 00:15:35,950 --> 00:15:38,063 with full theaters, and I'm talking 280 00:15:38,063 --> 00:15:41,990 a thousand people, two thousand people, everywhere. 281 00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:43,800 And I couldn't escape anymore, 282 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,263 and then I became the center of this phenomenon in Mexico. 283 00:15:49,290 --> 00:15:54,290 In 1997, I started that show, Tercer Milenio, on Televisa, 284 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:56,953 that lasted until 2003, 285 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,857 then went out of the air. 286 00:16:02,047 --> 00:16:04,137 - [Man] Tercer Milenio. 287 00:16:04,137 --> 00:16:07,304 (in foreign language) 288 00:16:12,837 --> 00:16:16,004 (in foreign language) 289 00:16:17,380 --> 00:16:19,110 - That Televisa is a huge network, 290 00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:21,290 the national network in Mexico, 291 00:16:21,290 --> 00:16:23,220 asked me to come back and present 292 00:16:25,470 --> 00:16:27,380 Tercer Milenio in 2004. 293 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:33,027 (eerie electronic music) 294 00:16:36,510 --> 00:16:39,677 (in foreign language) 295 00:17:04,615 --> 00:17:05,740 And I did it, 296 00:17:05,740 --> 00:17:10,740 and I have, I've been on the air since 2004 until now. 297 00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:14,890 Very successful show. 298 00:17:14,890 --> 00:17:17,500 Now it's running in a different network, 299 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:20,910 also a national network, Azteca. 300 00:17:20,910 --> 00:17:23,860 And we have even growing 301 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:27,840 in numbers, in ratings. 302 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,630 Around two million people watch the show every week, 303 00:17:31,630 --> 00:17:33,960 which should probably be considered 304 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,210 the most successful show on UFO's 305 00:17:37,210 --> 00:17:38,313 around the world. 306 00:17:40,421 --> 00:17:42,838 (rock music) 307 00:17:44,724 --> 00:17:45,557 - UFO's have been the stuff 308 00:17:45,557 --> 00:17:47,720 of conspiracy theorists for decades, 309 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,630 often mocked for talking about it, 310 00:17:49,630 --> 00:17:51,260 but maybe they shouldn't be mocked. 311 00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:54,180 Commander David Fravor spent 18 years 312 00:17:54,180 --> 00:17:56,470 as naval aviator or pilot. 313 00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:58,950 In 2004 he had an unforgettable encounter 314 00:17:58,950 --> 00:18:03,180 with an aircraft he said was defying the laws of physics. 315 00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:05,490 Well Commander Fravor joins us tonight. 316 00:18:05,490 --> 00:18:07,240 Thanks a lot for coming on tonight. 317 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,913 Tell us what you saw. 318 00:18:12,140 --> 00:18:15,110 - We had launched on a routine training mission. 319 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:16,890 When we joined up we were told 320 00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:19,090 that the event was gonna be canceled, 321 00:18:19,090 --> 00:18:20,690 and that we have real-world tasking, 322 00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:21,900 and we were sent out to the west. 323 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:24,150 Now take in mind that this is taking place 324 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:25,980 about a hundred miles southwest of San Diego, 325 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:28,550 between San Diego and Ensenada, Mexico, 326 00:18:28,550 --> 00:18:31,810 on a clear, perfect day, blue waters. 327 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:34,663 We get out to the spot where they tell us it's at. 328 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,200 We start looking around, 329 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,120 and both of us, both airplanes 330 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:40,970 see a disturbance in the water, 331 00:18:40,970 --> 00:18:45,760 and white, 40-foot long, Tic Tac-shaped object, 332 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,420 just hovering above the water, 333 00:18:47,420 --> 00:18:48,790 going forward, back, left, right. 334 00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:52,020 There's no rotor wash, there's no wings, nothing. 335 00:18:52,020 --> 00:18:53,980 So as we drive around in a clockwise flow, 336 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:55,620 we get to about the nine o'clock position, 337 00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:57,310 and I said, well I'm gonna go down and check it out, 338 00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:59,390 and the other jet is gonna stay high. 339 00:18:59,390 --> 00:19:02,150 So as we go down and when we get to the 12 o'clock position, 340 00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:03,130 it starts to mirror us. 341 00:19:03,130 --> 00:19:04,500 So it's in a clockwise flow 342 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:06,910 and it's on the opposite side of the circle from us, 343 00:19:06,910 --> 00:19:07,760 and we continue this. 344 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,490 It's in a climb, we're in a descent. 345 00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:10,570 We're getting a great look at it, 346 00:19:10,570 --> 00:19:11,920 this whole thing takes about 347 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,770 probably up to five minutes from the time we show up. 348 00:19:14,770 --> 00:19:16,240 I get over to the eight o'clock position, 349 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,620 it's at about the two o'clock position, 350 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:19,470 and I decide I'm gonna go and see what it is, 351 00:19:19,470 --> 00:19:21,430 and it's about 2,000 feet below me, 352 00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:22,890 and I cut across the circle, 353 00:19:22,890 --> 00:19:25,210 and as I get within about a half-mile of it, 354 00:19:25,210 --> 00:19:27,090 it rapidly accelerates to the south 355 00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:29,460 in about two seconds and disappears. 356 00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:31,260 - What would you estimate the speed? 357 00:19:33,230 --> 00:19:34,950 - Well above supersonic. 358 00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:37,333 It, like a bullet out of a gun, it took off. 359 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:42,820 - So from what you know about aerodynamics, mechanics, 360 00:19:42,820 --> 00:19:46,463 physics, should this be possible, what you saw? 361 00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:50,920 - Not with the technology that we have today, 362 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:51,900 not at all. 363 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:55,450 - Even now, even 13 years later, 364 00:19:55,450 --> 00:19:57,333 is there anything that you know of, 365 00:19:57,333 --> 00:19:59,823 capable of this kind of behavior? 366 00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:03,110 - No, there's nothing I know of. 367 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:06,160 When we saw the video with the IR, 368 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,673 it has no exhaust, 369 00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:12,740 no discernible things of any form of propulsion, 370 00:20:12,740 --> 00:20:15,040 and this thing came from a dead hover over the water, 371 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,030 just kind of moving around 372 00:20:16,030 --> 00:20:18,680 to a climb up to about 12,000 feet, 373 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,160 to rapidly accelerating away in a climb, 374 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,680 and in less than two seconds it was gone. 375 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,970 And you figure, you're talking 50 miles of visibility, 376 00:20:25,970 --> 00:20:28,660 and you can easily see an object that size, 377 00:20:28,660 --> 00:20:31,870 easily after 10 miles, and it just disappeared in seconds. 378 00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:34,320 - What would be the effects on a human pilot, 379 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,053 the G forces involved in that altitude change? 380 00:20:40,140 --> 00:20:41,460 - Well the altitude wouldn't be bad, 381 00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:43,347 it would be the acceleration of the object. 382 00:20:43,347 --> 00:20:44,180 - Right. 383 00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:48,660 - Honestly, I wanted to fly it. 384 00:20:51,487 --> 00:20:53,650 You know talking to some physicists, 385 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:55,410 they don't think the human body could handle 386 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:56,243 that kind of force 387 00:20:56,243 --> 00:20:57,076 with that acceleration. - Yeah, it doesn't, 388 00:20:57,076 --> 00:20:59,080 it doesn't sound like the human body could. 389 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,230 So bottom line, what do you think this was? 390 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,240 - I believe as do the other folks 391 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,440 that were on the flight when we visually saw it, 392 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,540 that it was something not from this world. 393 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:14,400 - Presumably you expressed that belief to your superiors, 394 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,300 what did they say? 395 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:18,930 - Actually we caught a lot of grief 396 00:21:18,930 --> 00:21:20,720 getting back to the boat, 397 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,640 and it got passed off as an event that no one could explain. 398 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,170 Now keep in mind, they had been tracking these 399 00:21:26,170 --> 00:21:28,360 for two weeks prior to us seeing it, 400 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:30,100 and this was the first time that manned airplanes 401 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,883 had been airborne when the objects appeared. 402 00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:36,201 - This feels like a really big story to me, 403 00:21:36,201 --> 00:21:38,690 it's not exactly clear why 404 00:21:38,690 --> 00:21:40,670 Vladimir Putin's more interesting than this. 405 00:21:40,670 --> 00:21:42,190 I think this seems like a big deal, 406 00:21:42,190 --> 00:21:43,200 and Commander, I appreciate your 407 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,413 taking the time to talk do us about it. 408 00:21:46,874 --> 00:21:50,041 (in foreign language) 409 00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:04,320 - Back in 2004, the Secretary of Defense in Mexico 410 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,413 called me to deliver a video to me. 411 00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:13,810 They recorded this video on March the 5th, 2004. 412 00:23:13,918 --> 00:23:17,490 It goes to the Campeche area, 413 00:23:17,490 --> 00:23:19,740 but the plane was in the middle of the jungle. 414 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:22,030 They were able to record these lights, 415 00:23:22,030 --> 00:23:23,343 following the airplane. 416 00:23:24,656 --> 00:23:26,973 There were 11 lights following the airplane. 417 00:23:27,850 --> 00:23:31,410 The Mexican scientist went to the television to say, 418 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:35,410 that they were, how you say, lightning, 419 00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:37,113 or energy in the air, 420 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:39,630 ball lightning. 421 00:23:39,630 --> 00:23:44,630 11 ball lightning, following and surrounding an airplane. 422 00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:49,940 They went to the Secretary of Defense later and said, 423 00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:51,430 oh we are sorry, 424 00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:54,800 oh we were wrong, sorry. 425 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,370 But they had never said that publicly, you see? 426 00:23:58,370 --> 00:24:01,070 But they know they were wrong, 427 00:24:01,070 --> 00:24:02,940 because the Secretary of Defense 428 00:24:02,940 --> 00:24:06,070 wouldn't deliver a video of UFO's, 429 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:08,163 if he knew it was something else. 430 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,710 Then I can tell you, 431 00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:15,680 that proves that in Mexico even the authorities 432 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,530 are ready to accept this. 433 00:24:17,530 --> 00:24:19,490 The only reason we don't do it, 434 00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:22,420 is because we don't want to confront the US. 435 00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:26,100 We don't want to confront the scientists from the US, 436 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,400 because they would make fun of the Mexican government, 437 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,460 and they would make jokes about that, 438 00:24:33,460 --> 00:24:35,960 and nobody's ready for that. 439 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,127 (in foreign language) 440 00:29:49,212 --> 00:29:51,462 (laughing) 441 00:29:55,352 --> 00:29:58,610 - I received a call from the Secretary 442 00:29:58,610 --> 00:30:01,810 of the Secretary of Defense in Mexico. 443 00:30:01,810 --> 00:30:02,810 He asked me to come. 444 00:30:05,460 --> 00:30:07,360 I had an appointment, I went there, 445 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320 I sit down in an office, nobody was there. 446 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,053 When I realized I was in the drug traffic, 447 00:30:16,812 --> 00:30:19,488 from the administration from the military, 448 00:30:19,488 --> 00:30:21,030 and I said, Jesus Christ, 449 00:30:21,030 --> 00:30:22,110 what happened? 450 00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:24,840 Did somebody say that I did something? 451 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,320 What I'm doing here? 452 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,680 I have to go, I have to go. 453 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,220 This is no good. 454 00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:32,650 And then they came and said, Mister Maussan, 455 00:30:32,650 --> 00:30:33,920 can you come with us please? 456 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,660 And I says, Jesus Christ, 457 00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:36,910 what is gonna happen now? 458 00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:40,833 And they took me to a little theater, 459 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:44,473 and they put the video, and they all said, 460 00:30:44,473 --> 00:30:46,327 "Can you explain this please?" 461 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,937 And I saw it, and I said, 462 00:30:49,937 --> 00:30:53,227 "Jesus, are these things following the airplane?" 463 00:30:53,227 --> 00:30:55,407 "Yes, and they surrounded the airplane." 464 00:30:56,837 --> 00:30:58,647 "Can I talk to the pilot?" 465 00:30:58,647 --> 00:31:01,300 "No, first tell us what you think." 466 00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:04,160 And I said, "Well, I think they are UFO's." 467 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,650 The video had been recorded with a FLIR camera. 468 00:31:07,650 --> 00:31:12,650 This camera was in 2004, just for the military. 469 00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:16,560 It was a very specialized camera, 470 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,440 that could track the infrared, 471 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,783 and could track the heat in the airplane. 472 00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:26,170 They were using this camera 473 00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:30,150 in this airplane because they were looking for 474 00:31:30,150 --> 00:31:33,500 narcotics from, drugs from South America, 475 00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:35,500 and they were in the area where 476 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:40,260 is the shortest in Mexico, from coast to coast, 477 00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:42,573 and the airplanes had to go through there, 478 00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:48,420 and it was fairly easy to track these drug dealers. 479 00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:52,340 And they used this as special equipment. 480 00:31:52,340 --> 00:31:56,800 And the military, saw these lights. 481 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,110 They couldn't see the lights with their eyes. 482 00:31:59,110 --> 00:32:01,620 They just saw it with the camera, 483 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:04,060 but they knew, they had a screen, 484 00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:07,150 in the airplane and they were looking at the screen, 485 00:32:07,150 --> 00:32:09,260 even though they couldn't find it 486 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:11,550 in the air, in the atmosphere. 487 00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:13,023 It was in the camera, 488 00:32:13,870 --> 00:32:15,630 and they got very nervous, 489 00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:19,220 especially when they were surrounded by these lights. 490 00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:21,093 The captain turn off 491 00:32:23,390 --> 00:32:25,130 the navigation lights, 492 00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:27,000 because he thought 493 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,473 he was gonna be confronted, by these UFO's. 494 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,180 Then some people came, 495 00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:34,950 and tried to explain that video, 496 00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:39,950 saying that they were oil rigs. 497 00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:41,680 - [Interviewer] Letting off fire? 498 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,680 - Exactly, and some other things, 499 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,493 missiles, and so many really crazy things. 500 00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:55,170 But the military were there every day, 501 00:32:55,170 --> 00:32:58,090 for many hours, in the same place, 502 00:32:58,090 --> 00:33:01,960 and they never saw something like this, 503 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,543 and they couldn't explain it. 504 00:33:04,930 --> 00:33:08,850 When I told them that these were UFO's, 505 00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:12,510 they said, "Okay, thank you very much Mister Maussan." 506 00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:15,273 And I left, they didn't tell me anything else. 507 00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:17,850 I received a call again, 508 00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:19,640 a couple of days later, 509 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,092 and they say, the Secretary of Defense 510 00:33:23,092 --> 00:33:26,270 wants to see you personally, in his office. 511 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:27,363 I went there, 512 00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:31,580 and he asked me, "What do you think they are?" 513 00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:32,727 And I said, "UFO's. 514 00:33:32,727 --> 00:33:34,997 "Can I talk to the crew?" 515 00:33:34,997 --> 00:33:36,773 "You will, you will. 516 00:33:37,987 --> 00:33:40,587 "You are gonna be the only one who is gonna do that. 517 00:33:41,657 --> 00:33:43,177 "I'm gonna give you the tape, 518 00:33:43,177 --> 00:33:45,177 "you can do whatever you want. 519 00:33:45,177 --> 00:33:50,177 "Just remember that you have the honor and the pride 520 00:33:50,287 --> 00:33:53,777 "of the Armed Forces of Mexico in your hands. 521 00:33:53,777 --> 00:33:54,907 "Be very careful." 522 00:33:56,006 --> 00:33:59,173 (in foreign language) 523 00:35:49,757 --> 00:35:53,380 - "If somebody asks you who gave you this video..." 524 00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:56,570 I thought, oh he's gonna say, 525 00:35:56,570 --> 00:35:58,577 you don't know who gave you this. 526 00:35:58,577 --> 00:36:00,287 "...you are gonna say, 527 00:36:00,287 --> 00:36:04,020 "that the Secretary of Defense gave you this video." 528 00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:06,790 And I said, Jesus Christ. 529 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:09,530 My pants almost fell down. 530 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:13,110 I have this evidence, they have given me this evidence, 531 00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:15,870 and the Secretary of Defense of Mexico 532 00:36:15,870 --> 00:36:18,800 was supporting me, whatever I did with this. 533 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,960 I felt a big responsibility. 534 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,300 I investigated everything I could with this tape. 535 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:26,640 I had a chance to interview 536 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,740 all the crew, 537 00:36:29,538 --> 00:36:32,568 the captain, and the cameraman, 538 00:36:32,568 --> 00:36:35,768 and everyone that was inside the plane, 539 00:36:35,768 --> 00:36:37,680 and all of them told me, 540 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,073 this is real, we've never seen anything like this. 541 00:36:42,250 --> 00:36:44,710 And then I presented this video 542 00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:47,910 in a national television program in Mexico, 543 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:50,940 in the newscast, in the most important newscast, 544 00:36:50,940 --> 00:36:51,773 on May the 9th, 545 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,768 or the 10th, of 2004. 546 00:36:58,768 --> 00:37:01,270 The next day I gave a press conference, 547 00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:03,730 and all the international media 548 00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:06,390 came to the press conference. 549 00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,370 I gave them this video, 550 00:37:08,370 --> 00:37:10,890 and next night, or that night, 551 00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:14,150 it was everywhere around the world, 552 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:16,180 in every single newscast. 553 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:19,010 I don't think there is a sighting of UFO's, 554 00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:22,070 that has been presented everywhere 555 00:37:22,070 --> 00:37:25,633 like this happened in 2004. 556 00:37:27,368 --> 00:37:31,540 And then I thought that I had done my job the best I could. 557 00:37:31,540 --> 00:37:34,520 I never expected the explanations 558 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,470 that were going to be given to this video, 559 00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:41,403 incredible video, were gonna be so stupid as they were. 560 00:37:43,691 --> 00:37:46,858 (in foreign language) 561 00:41:34,888 --> 00:41:38,500 - After I learned that there were UFO's 562 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,760 that were invisible to the eye, 563 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,970 I proposed that idea on television, 564 00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:45,950 and Pedro Avila, 565 00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:47,623 a UFO hunter, 566 00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:50,193 who cannot walk, 567 00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:53,940 he's in a chair, 568 00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:56,563 he's looking through his window all day long, 569 00:41:59,190 --> 00:42:02,900 built a device, to put two cameras, 570 00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:06,583 one infrared and one normal spectrum, 571 00:42:07,811 --> 00:42:10,570 and he was able, it's the only time 572 00:42:10,570 --> 00:42:12,730 that this has every been done everywhere 573 00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:18,610 where you have camera recording in the normal spectrum, 574 00:42:18,610 --> 00:42:21,430 and the other camera in the infrared, 575 00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:24,690 and you can see these objects in the infrared, 576 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:27,360 and you cannot really see anything 577 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,130 in the normal spectrum, 578 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:32,070 proving that there are UFO's 579 00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:35,103 that are not visible to the eye, to the sight. 580 00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:38,740 And I think that was very important. 581 00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:41,760 From then one, more and more people 582 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,610 and with the development of technology, 583 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:48,713 even the FLIR technology now, 584 00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:53,870 available to many people, to almost anyone, 585 00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:57,180 who wants to have a FLIR camera, now you can have it. 586 00:42:57,180 --> 00:43:02,180 And now many people are recording these invisible UFO's, 587 00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:07,590 everywhere, and it is just amazing. 588 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:12,590 And we are proving now that what was said 15 years ago, 589 00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:15,630 with the military in Mexico, 590 00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:20,060 is happening in many, many places, right now. 591 00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:22,990 - [Narrator] Jaime Maussan has a multi-faceted story, 592 00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:27,580 that spans the over-arcing theme of ET visitation. 593 00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:29,950 He has coordinated the investigation 594 00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:33,060 of the tridactylus beings in Peru, 595 00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:36,200 and that could become the most important finding 596 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,413 that has been made on the theme. 597 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,040 His story will continue, 598 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,927 and so will "Beyond the Spectrum." 599 00:43:49,548 --> 00:43:52,465 (electronic music) 600 00:44:14,914 --> 00:44:18,414 (film projector rattling)