WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:00.741 --> 00:00:04.241 (film projector rattling) 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:07.760 --> 00:00:09.240 - [Narrator] From humble beginnings 4 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:11.730 to legendary award-winning journalist, 6 00:00:11.730 --> 00:00:13.860 Jaime Maussan has been trusted 7 00:00:13.860 --> 00:00:18.253 as the voice as the people in Mexico for more than 47 years. 8 00:00:19.194 --> 00:00:20.500 (clock ticking) 9 00:00:20.500 --> 00:00:23.750 (in foreign language) 10 00:00:51.078 --> 00:00:53.977 (audience clapping) 11 00:00:53.977 --> 00:00:57.144 (in foreign language) 12 00:01:04.237 --> 00:01:06.785 - [Narrator] In the mid-90s, Maussan brought the subject 13 00:01:06.785 --> 00:01:09.363 of UFO's to the spotlight. 14 00:01:09.363 --> 00:01:12.440 - [Jaime] Then I became the anchor, and finally 15 00:01:12.440 --> 00:01:16.680 the director of the show that was on the air until 1995. 16 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.320 From then on, I became involved with something 17 00:01:20.320 --> 00:01:24.070 that I felt was very important, UFO's. 18 00:01:24.070 --> 00:01:27.080 I know many people think that they are not important, 19 00:01:27.080 --> 00:01:30.030 that they are an illusion or fantasy, 20 00:01:30.030 --> 00:01:33.810 but I realized that many people have cameras 21 00:01:34.770 --> 00:01:36.470 at the beginning of the 90s, 22 00:01:36.470 --> 00:01:38.800 and they were able to record the UFO's, 23 00:01:38.800 --> 00:01:41.810 and I thought that I had a chance 24 00:01:41.810 --> 00:01:45.053 with these evidences to change the way people think. 25 00:01:48.112 --> 00:01:50.279 (banging) 26 00:01:51.848 --> 00:01:55.265 (eerie electronic music) 27 00:02:04.260 --> 00:02:05.520 - [Narrator] Maussan has received 28 00:02:05.520 --> 00:02:08.860 the United Nation's Global 500 Award, 29 00:02:08.860 --> 00:02:13.130 three times the National Prize of Journalism in Mexico, 30 00:02:13.130 --> 00:02:16.780 the Ondas Award for journalists in Spain. 31 00:02:16.780 --> 00:02:21.160 He was recognized at the capital in Washington, DC. 32 00:02:21.160 --> 00:02:24.680 Currently, he is presenting Third Millennium News 33 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:29.160 from Monday to Friday at 10 p.m. on national television. 34 00:02:29.160 --> 00:02:31.180 This news has set the standard 35 00:02:31.180 --> 00:02:35.690 for audience records for the channel, A-Plus Amas, 36 00:02:35.690 --> 00:02:37.290 on several occasions. 37 00:02:37.290 --> 00:02:39.890 Tercer Milenio continues to be presented 38 00:02:39.890 --> 00:02:42.240 every Sunday on prime time, 39 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:47.240 after 22 years of uninterrupted transmission on Mexican TV. 40 00:02:47.820 --> 00:02:49.823 - I was not gonna be a journalist. 41 00:02:51.010 --> 00:02:55.610 I was gonna be an administrative worker for my father. 42 00:02:55.610 --> 00:02:57.580 He had a company, 43 00:02:57.580 --> 00:03:01.990 and he wished that I was able 44 00:03:01.990 --> 00:03:03.683 to take care of his company, 45 00:03:05.490 --> 00:03:08.800 and I never thought that I wanted to be a journalist, 46 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:13.420 because 50 years ago the journalists in Mexico 47 00:03:13.420 --> 00:03:16.210 were not very honest. 48 00:03:16.210 --> 00:03:19.010 They wanted money for everything 49 00:03:19.010 --> 00:03:22.820 they put on the TV or in the newspaper. 50 00:03:22.820 --> 00:03:26.130 My father was a rancher, 51 00:03:26.130 --> 00:03:27.730 he had bullfights, 52 00:03:27.730 --> 00:03:30.840 he was also impresario 53 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:33.240 for big bullrings. 54 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.770 He organized bullfights. 55 00:03:35.770 --> 00:03:39.170 Even my aunt was a bullfighter, 56 00:03:39.170 --> 00:03:41.993 then I was going to become one, 57 00:03:43.580 --> 00:03:45.860 but at the same time my father wanted me 58 00:03:45.860 --> 00:03:47.413 to take care of his business. 59 00:03:49.040 --> 00:03:53.220 But in the last day when I had to choose my major, 60 00:03:53.220 --> 00:03:55.270 a friend of mine came to me, 61 00:03:55.270 --> 00:03:59.490 and asked me what was gonna be my future, 62 00:03:59.490 --> 00:04:02.970 what kind of major I was going to choose? 63 00:04:02.970 --> 00:04:05.283 Business administration, something like that. 64 00:04:06.441 --> 00:04:07.980 And he said, "Oh that's boring." 65 00:04:07.980 --> 00:04:09.167 and I said, "Why?" 66 00:04:09.167 --> 00:04:12.487 "Because it's just numbers, you know, 67 00:04:12.487 --> 00:04:15.710 "in a closed place, with no windows, so on." 68 00:04:15.710 --> 00:04:17.920 And I said, "What are you going to study?" 69 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:19.400 He said, "Journalism." 70 00:04:19.400 --> 00:04:22.557 And I said, "Oh, you're gonna be a corrupt man, 71 00:04:22.557 --> 00:04:24.850 "you're gonna take money from people." 72 00:04:24.850 --> 00:04:29.417 And he said, "No, journalism is to change the world. 73 00:04:29.417 --> 00:04:32.687 "Journalism is the possibility to create conscience. 74 00:04:32.687 --> 00:04:37.687 "Journalism is traveling, journalism is going into the open, 75 00:04:37.987 --> 00:04:40.307 "and reporting what you find." 76 00:04:41.260 --> 00:04:42.483 And I liked that. 77 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.690 I immediately changed my major, 78 00:04:46.690 --> 00:04:49.940 probably the best decision I have done in my life. 79 00:04:49.940 --> 00:04:54.490 Then, I decided, but my father didn't like the idea, 80 00:04:54.490 --> 00:04:56.020 and at the same time he knew 81 00:04:56.020 --> 00:05:00.200 that the journalists in Mexico were corrupt. 82 00:05:00.200 --> 00:05:01.597 And I said to my father, 83 00:05:01.597 --> 00:05:06.597 "I will never, ever, father, take any money from anyone. 84 00:05:06.777 --> 00:05:09.787 "I'm gonna be a very clean and honest journalist." 85 00:05:10.650 --> 00:05:14.040 And I have kept that promise until now. 86 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.800 I've been an honest man, all my life. 87 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.640 And thanks to that, 88 00:05:18.640 --> 00:05:21.370 I've been able to develop credibility. 89 00:05:21.370 --> 00:05:23.310 When I was a young kid, 90 00:05:23.310 --> 00:05:25.240 I saw the destruction of nature, 91 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:27.880 but I didn't know why I didn't like it. 92 00:05:27.880 --> 00:05:32.690 I knew that the animals were being killed, 93 00:05:32.690 --> 00:05:35.410 there was business doing with animals, 94 00:05:35.410 --> 00:05:36.980 that anybody could take an animal 95 00:05:36.980 --> 00:05:40.950 from their habitats, 96 00:05:40.950 --> 00:05:42.010 and sell it. 97 00:05:42.010 --> 00:05:43.860 When I found journalism, 98 00:05:43.860 --> 00:05:47.180 when I found my real passion for life, 99 00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:52.180 I really started to try to change my world. 100 00:05:52.390 --> 00:05:54.330 And I was able to do it in many ways, 101 00:05:54.330 --> 00:05:57.550 because I worked in television 102 00:05:57.550 --> 00:05:59.697 with the most important journalists of Mexico. 103 00:05:59.697 --> 00:06:04.530 Jacobo Zabludovsky, the Walter Cronkite of the US, 104 00:06:04.530 --> 00:06:08.000 a man that was very well known everywhere in Mexico, 105 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.320 and I became very close to him, 106 00:06:10.320 --> 00:06:12.460 in many ways, his right hand, 107 00:06:12.460 --> 00:06:14.750 even though I was almost a teenager. 108 00:06:14.750 --> 00:06:17.270 When I did my first report, 109 00:06:17.270 --> 00:06:20.250 I took my report to Cannes, in France. 110 00:06:20.250 --> 00:06:21.690 I was just 19, 111 00:06:21.690 --> 00:06:24.950 and I received a scholarship from the US, 112 00:06:24.950 --> 00:06:28.131 from an American university, 113 00:06:28.131 --> 00:06:29.730 the University of Ohio. 114 00:06:29.730 --> 00:06:32.023 And I was able to finish my career then. 115 00:06:33.250 --> 00:06:37.330 When I came back I started working in journalism, 116 00:06:37.330 --> 00:06:40.130 to try to protect the environment, 117 00:06:40.130 --> 00:06:43.253 to try to protect the woods and the jungles. 118 00:06:44.620 --> 00:06:47.960 I was able to find 119 00:06:47.960 --> 00:06:49.820 the monarch butterfly in Mexico, 120 00:06:49.820 --> 00:06:54.160 their hidden places, where they hibernate. 121 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:57.613 Fred Urquhart, Canadian scientist, 122 00:06:58.503 --> 00:06:59.336 he's the one who found it. 123 00:06:59.336 --> 00:07:00.780 I mean he's the one who really 124 00:07:00.780 --> 00:07:03.620 tracked the monarch butterfly, 125 00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:06.850 but when he published his article 126 00:07:06.850 --> 00:07:08.010 in National Geographic, 127 00:07:08.010 --> 00:07:09.640 he never said where it was. 128 00:07:09.640 --> 00:07:12.270 My network, Televisa, asked me, 129 00:07:12.270 --> 00:07:13.520 to go out and find the place. 130 00:07:13.520 --> 00:07:15.197 It took us two years to find it, 131 00:07:15.197 --> 00:07:18.700 but we finally did, and I was able to present 132 00:07:18.700 --> 00:07:21.440 for the first time to the Mexican people, 133 00:07:21.440 --> 00:07:24.290 the monarch butterfly, and I was able to 134 00:07:24.290 --> 00:07:27.133 get protection for the monarch butterfly. 135 00:07:28.100 --> 00:07:32.780 Then, working in 60 Minutes in Mexico as a reporter, 136 00:07:32.780 --> 00:07:34.600 I was able to get involved 137 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:36.360 with the protection of the turtles. 138 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:41.270 In Mexico we used to kill the turtles in slaughterhouses. 139 00:07:41.270 --> 00:07:45.250 And thanks to my reporting on 60 Minutes, 140 00:07:45.250 --> 00:07:46.920 they were closed, 141 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.150 and we created laws to protect the turtles, 142 00:07:50.150 --> 00:07:51.520 and that's the reason why 143 00:07:52.470 --> 00:07:54.990 some of the species of turtles 144 00:07:54.990 --> 00:07:56.770 have now recuperated. 145 00:07:56.770 --> 00:07:59.830 Then, I was able to do many things 146 00:07:59.830 --> 00:08:02.110 to speak about the climate change, 147 00:08:02.110 --> 00:08:06.460 or the global warming, back in 1986. 148 00:08:06.460 --> 00:08:11.460 I was able to speak about the El Nino current in '87, 149 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.110 or the depletion of the ozone layer in '88. 150 00:08:15.110 --> 00:08:18.560 We were just two journalists from all around the world, 151 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:21.290 who went with NASA to the North Pole, 152 00:08:21.290 --> 00:08:25.480 to report if there was a hole in the North Pole, 153 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:29.150 as the one that had been observed in the South Pole. 154 00:08:29.150 --> 00:08:31.363 They found that no, there was not a hole, 155 00:08:32.277 --> 00:08:33.990 it was a little bit depleted, 156 00:08:33.990 --> 00:08:37.020 but we didn't have the same problem, 157 00:08:37.020 --> 00:08:41.170 because the currents are different in both poles. 158 00:08:41.170 --> 00:08:46.010 Anyway, I was able to be there with a German journalist, 159 00:08:46.010 --> 00:08:48.890 and even the NASA people were amazed, 160 00:08:48.890 --> 00:08:52.210 they said, a reporter, a journalist from 161 00:08:53.772 --> 00:08:55.260 a tropical country is here. 162 00:08:55.260 --> 00:09:00.260 Why, the Americans, why, the Europeans, are not here? 163 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.010 But I was very much involved 164 00:09:04.010 --> 00:09:05.620 in the protection of environment, 165 00:09:05.620 --> 00:09:07.333 and when I found that news, 166 00:09:08.330 --> 00:09:10.530 Televisa allowed me to go 167 00:09:10.530 --> 00:09:13.100 and participate with NASA, 168 00:09:13.100 --> 00:09:17.470 in this investigation back in January, 1988. 169 00:09:17.470 --> 00:09:20.840 And I was able to do many other things, like for example, 170 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.670 to help the Tarahumaras in the Sierra in Mexico. 171 00:09:24.670 --> 00:09:27.063 They were dying of hunger and cold, 172 00:09:28.706 --> 00:09:29.539 also in '88, '87, 173 00:09:31.256 --> 00:09:34.553 and we were able to get thousands of funds 174 00:09:35.730 --> 00:09:37.700 of food for them, 175 00:09:37.700 --> 00:09:40.850 with a report on 60 Minutes in Mexico. 176 00:09:40.850 --> 00:09:42.680 Then I became the anchor, 177 00:09:42.680 --> 00:09:45.300 and finally the director of this show 178 00:09:45.300 --> 00:09:48.110 that was on the air until 1995. 179 00:09:48.110 --> 00:09:50.950 From then on, I became involved 180 00:09:50.950 --> 00:09:54.177 with something that I thought was very important, UFO's. 181 00:09:55.500 --> 00:09:58.510 I know many people think that they are not important, 182 00:09:58.510 --> 00:10:01.470 that they are an illusion or fantasy, 183 00:10:01.470 --> 00:10:06.170 but I realized that many people have cameras, 184 00:10:06.170 --> 00:10:07.900 at the beginning of the 90's, 185 00:10:07.900 --> 00:10:10.250 and they were able to record the UFO's. 186 00:10:10.250 --> 00:10:13.260 And I thought that I had a chance, 187 00:10:13.260 --> 00:10:16.573 with these evidences, to change the way people think. 188 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:20.450 Back in 1991, 189 00:10:20.450 --> 00:10:23.540 there was a total solar eclipse in Mexico, 190 00:10:23.540 --> 00:10:25.180 probably the longest, 191 00:10:25.180 --> 00:10:27.630 or the second longest in the whole century, 192 00:10:27.630 --> 00:10:30.100 six minutes and 54 seconds. 193 00:10:30.100 --> 00:10:33.340 And people, many people in Mexico 194 00:10:33.340 --> 00:10:35.660 recorded the solar eclipse, 195 00:10:35.660 --> 00:10:37.643 but some people got UFO's, 196 00:10:38.570 --> 00:10:40.400 in the middle of the videos, 197 00:10:40.400 --> 00:10:43.183 and I thought that was very important. 198 00:10:44.508 --> 00:10:47.675 (in foreign language) 199 00:12:14.710 --> 00:12:16.160 - I was invited to this program 200 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:17.060 because I had done 201 00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:20.903 a report on 60 Minutes about Billy Meier, 202 00:12:21.780 --> 00:12:23.653 and people identified me, 203 00:12:24.740 --> 00:12:25.930 but as a matter of fact, 204 00:12:25.930 --> 00:12:28.490 I didn't want to go to this television show, 205 00:12:28.490 --> 00:12:32.843 because I thought that UFO's were not good for journalists, 206 00:12:33.690 --> 00:12:36.090 that they were very risky, 207 00:12:36.090 --> 00:12:38.480 and I shouldn't get involved with this. 208 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.612 But my company, my network, 209 00:12:40.612 --> 00:12:42.507 I don't need to go to this show (foreign words). 210 00:12:45.135 --> 00:12:46.150 And it was so successful 211 00:12:46.150 --> 00:12:47.780 they asked me to go for a second time, 212 00:12:47.780 --> 00:12:49.380 and I didn't want to go. 213 00:12:49.380 --> 00:12:51.280 I really didn't want to go. 214 00:12:51.280 --> 00:12:54.377 I said, "That's it, no more UFO's please." 215 00:12:55.300 --> 00:12:57.267 But this man insisted. 216 00:12:57.267 --> 00:12:59.087 "Please, this is the last time. 217 00:12:59.087 --> 00:13:01.027 "Let's do another show, 218 00:13:01.027 --> 00:13:05.097 "because you know how many people saw this, 219 00:13:05.097 --> 00:13:07.817 "millions and millions and millions of people, 220 00:13:07.817 --> 00:13:09.617 "and I want to do a new one." 221 00:13:10.730 --> 00:13:12.530 And I say okay, but this is the last one. 222 00:13:12.530 --> 00:13:14.220 This is really the last show. 223 00:13:14.220 --> 00:13:19.220 And I went there and I was able to find these videos, 224 00:13:19.300 --> 00:13:22.240 that were recorded by some people of the eclipse, 225 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.390 where they found UFO's. 226 00:13:26.325 --> 00:13:28.460 When I presented this, 227 00:13:28.460 --> 00:13:29.500 very early in the morning, 228 00:13:29.500 --> 00:13:32.412 probably three of four o'clock in the morning, 229 00:13:32.412 --> 00:13:33.870 it was a revolution. 230 00:13:33.870 --> 00:13:35.760 Thousands of people came to the television. 231 00:13:35.760 --> 00:13:37.000 At five o'clock in the morning 232 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.830 there were more than five or 10 thousand people 233 00:13:39.830 --> 00:13:40.970 outside the station, 234 00:13:40.970 --> 00:13:42.360 because they wanted to get in, 235 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:45.000 because they were so excited with these videos, 236 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:46.950 and after that show, 237 00:13:46.950 --> 00:13:49.120 nothing was the same for me in my life. 238 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:50.780 I received many invitations 239 00:13:50.780 --> 00:13:53.560 from different universities in Mexico, 240 00:13:53.560 --> 00:13:56.680 then I received invitations from 241 00:13:56.680 --> 00:13:59.050 international congresses around the world, 242 00:13:59.050 --> 00:14:01.020 and I couldn't get away. 243 00:14:01.020 --> 00:14:02.360 I couldn't get away anymore. 244 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:05.560 Then I started, even without, 245 00:14:05.560 --> 00:14:08.830 even thinking to get so much involved, 246 00:14:08.830 --> 00:14:10.567 because people send me videos. 247 00:14:10.567 --> 00:14:13.597 I have hundreds of videos of UFO's. 248 00:14:13.597 --> 00:14:17.530 And then I realized that this was very important, 249 00:14:17.530 --> 00:14:19.080 this was a new phenomenon, 250 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:21.140 a phenomenon inside a phenomenon, 251 00:14:21.140 --> 00:14:23.940 where people were recording these things with cameras, 252 00:14:23.940 --> 00:14:26.020 because everybody had a camera now. 253 00:14:26.020 --> 00:14:30.660 Or many people had a camera, VHS, back in '90-'91. 254 00:14:30.660 --> 00:14:33.080 And I thought with the development of technology, 255 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:35.020 more and more and more people 256 00:14:35.020 --> 00:14:36.510 are gonna have cameras. 257 00:14:36.510 --> 00:14:38.827 And then I said, "Well, 258 00:14:38.827 --> 00:14:40.773 "I am very sure in the future, 259 00:14:41.627 --> 00:14:43.167 "everyone is gonna have a camera, 260 00:14:43.167 --> 00:14:45.247 "and we will be able to have 261 00:14:45.247 --> 00:14:48.480 "many more videos, many more evidences." 262 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.900 And I started to promote 263 00:14:50.900 --> 00:14:53.683 people to watch the sky, 264 00:14:54.760 --> 00:14:57.810 when they have time to watch the sky, 265 00:14:57.810 --> 00:15:00.030 and record whatever was there. 266 00:15:00.030 --> 00:15:02.150 I never thought this was gonna be successful, 267 00:15:02.150 --> 00:15:05.600 but then I received one video recorded by one person, 268 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:07.174 and then another, 269 00:15:07.174 --> 00:15:08.910 and another, and another, 270 00:15:08.910 --> 00:15:12.390 and then dozens, and then hundreds, 271 00:15:12.390 --> 00:15:14.370 and then I didn't know what to do 272 00:15:14.370 --> 00:15:16.163 with so much evidence I had. 273 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.850 And 1995 ended 60 Minutes, 274 00:15:21.850 --> 00:15:25.459 and I received more and more invitations 275 00:15:25.459 --> 00:15:27.453 to present conferences. 276 00:15:28.540 --> 00:15:30.760 And I went all around Mexico, 277 00:15:30.760 --> 00:15:33.520 and I mean all around Mexico, 278 00:15:33.520 --> 00:15:35.950 presenting all the evidences, 279 00:15:35.950 --> 00:15:38.063 with full theaters, and I'm talking 280 00:15:38.063 --> 00:15:41.990 a thousand people, two thousand people, everywhere. 281 00:15:41.990 --> 00:15:43.800 And I couldn't escape anymore, 282 00:15:43.800 --> 00:15:48.263 and then I became the center of this phenomenon in Mexico. 283 00:15:49.290 --> 00:15:54.290 In 1997, I started that show, Tercer Milenio, on Televisa, 284 00:15:54.700 --> 00:15:56.953 that lasted until 2003, 285 00:15:57.800 --> 00:15:59.857 then went out of the air. 286 00:16:02.047 --> 00:16:04.137 - [Man] Tercer Milenio. 287 00:16:04.137 --> 00:16:07.304 (in foreign language) 288 00:16:12.837 --> 00:16:16.004 (in foreign language) 289 00:16:17.380 --> 00:16:19.110 - That Televisa is a huge network, 290 00:16:19.110 --> 00:16:21.290 the national network in Mexico, 291 00:16:21.290 --> 00:16:23.220 asked me to come back and present 292 00:16:25.470 --> 00:16:27.380 Tercer Milenio in 2004. 293 00:16:29.610 --> 00:16:33.027 (eerie electronic music) 294 00:16:36.510 --> 00:16:39.677 (in foreign language) 295 00:17:04.615 --> 00:17:05.740 And I did it, 296 00:17:05.740 --> 00:17:10.740 and I have, I've been on the air since 2004 until now. 297 00:17:12.870 --> 00:17:14.890 Very successful show. 298 00:17:14.890 --> 00:17:17.500 Now it's running in a different network, 299 00:17:17.500 --> 00:17:20.910 also a national network, Azteca. 300 00:17:20.910 --> 00:17:23.860 And we have even growing 301 00:17:25.620 --> 00:17:27.840 in numbers, in ratings. 302 00:17:27.840 --> 00:17:31.630 Around two million people watch the show every week, 303 00:17:31.630 --> 00:17:33.960 which should probably be considered 304 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.210 the most successful show on UFO's 305 00:17:37.210 --> 00:17:38.313 around the world. 306 00:17:40.421 --> 00:17:42.838 (rock music) 307 00:17:44.724 --> 00:17:45.557 - UFO's have been the stuff 308 00:17:45.557 --> 00:17:47.720 of conspiracy theorists for decades, 309 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:49.630 often mocked for talking about it, 310 00:17:49.630 --> 00:17:51.260 but maybe they shouldn't be mocked. 311 00:17:51.260 --> 00:17:54.180 Commander David Fravor spent 18 years 312 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:56.470 as naval aviator or pilot. 313 00:17:56.470 --> 00:17:58.950 In 2004 he had an unforgettable encounter 314 00:17:58.950 --> 00:18:03.180 with an aircraft he said was defying the laws of physics. 315 00:18:03.180 --> 00:18:05.490 Well Commander Fravor joins us tonight. 316 00:18:05.490 --> 00:18:07.240 Thanks a lot for coming on tonight. 317 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:09.913 Tell us what you saw. 318 00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:15.110 - We had launched on a routine training mission. 319 00:18:15.110 --> 00:18:16.890 When we joined up we were told 320 00:18:16.890 --> 00:18:19.090 that the event was gonna be canceled, 321 00:18:19.090 --> 00:18:20.690 and that we have real-world tasking, 322 00:18:20.690 --> 00:18:21.900 and we were sent out to the west. 323 00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:24.150 Now take in mind that this is taking place 324 00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:25.980 about a hundred miles southwest of San Diego, 325 00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:28.550 between San Diego and Ensenada, Mexico, 326 00:18:28.550 --> 00:18:31.810 on a clear, perfect day, blue waters. 327 00:18:31.810 --> 00:18:34.663 We get out to the spot where they tell us it's at. 328 00:18:35.600 --> 00:18:37.200 We start looking around, 329 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.120 and both of us, both airplanes 330 00:18:39.120 --> 00:18:40.970 see a disturbance in the water, 331 00:18:40.970 --> 00:18:45.760 and white, 40-foot long, Tic Tac-shaped object, 332 00:18:45.760 --> 00:18:47.420 just hovering above the water, 333 00:18:47.420 --> 00:18:48.790 going forward, back, left, right. 334 00:18:48.790 --> 00:18:52.020 There's no rotor wash, there's no wings, nothing. 335 00:18:52.020 --> 00:18:53.980 So as we drive around in a clockwise flow, 336 00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:55.620 we get to about the nine o'clock position, 337 00:18:55.620 --> 00:18:57.310 and I said, well I'm gonna go down and check it out, 338 00:18:57.310 --> 00:18:59.390 and the other jet is gonna stay high. 339 00:18:59.390 --> 00:19:02.150 So as we go down and when we get to the 12 o'clock position, 340 00:19:02.150 --> 00:19:03.130 it starts to mirror us. 341 00:19:03.130 --> 00:19:04.500 So it's in a clockwise flow 342 00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:06.910 and it's on the opposite side of the circle from us, 343 00:19:06.910 --> 00:19:07.760 and we continue this. 344 00:19:07.760 --> 00:19:09.490 It's in a climb, we're in a descent. 345 00:19:09.490 --> 00:19:10.570 We're getting a great look at it, 346 00:19:10.570 --> 00:19:11.920 this whole thing takes about 347 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:14.770 probably up to five minutes from the time we show up. 348 00:19:14.770 --> 00:19:16.240 I get over to the eight o'clock position, 349 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.620 it's at about the two o'clock position, 350 00:19:17.620 --> 00:19:19.470 and I decide I'm gonna go and see what it is, 351 00:19:19.470 --> 00:19:21.430 and it's about 2,000 feet below me, 352 00:19:21.430 --> 00:19:22.890 and I cut across the circle, 353 00:19:22.890 --> 00:19:25.210 and as I get within about a half-mile of it, 354 00:19:25.210 --> 00:19:27.090 it rapidly accelerates to the south 355 00:19:27.090 --> 00:19:29.460 in about two seconds and disappears. 356 00:19:29.460 --> 00:19:31.260 - What would you estimate the speed? 357 00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:34.950 - Well above supersonic. 358 00:19:34.950 --> 00:19:37.333 It, like a bullet out of a gun, it took off. 359 00:19:38.270 --> 00:19:42.820 - So from what you know about aerodynamics, mechanics, 360 00:19:42.820 --> 00:19:46.463 physics, should this be possible, what you saw? 361 00:19:47.990 --> 00:19:50.920 - Not with the technology that we have today, 362 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:51.900 not at all. 363 00:19:51.900 --> 00:19:55.450 - Even now, even 13 years later, 364 00:19:55.450 --> 00:19:57.333 is there anything that you know of, 365 00:19:57.333 --> 00:19:59.823 capable of this kind of behavior? 366 00:20:00.810 --> 00:20:03.110 - No, there's nothing I know of. 367 00:20:03.110 --> 00:20:06.160 When we saw the video with the IR, 368 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:07.673 it has no exhaust, 369 00:20:08.690 --> 00:20:12.740 no discernible things of any form of propulsion, 370 00:20:12.740 --> 00:20:15.040 and this thing came from a dead hover over the water, 371 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:16.030 just kind of moving around 372 00:20:16.030 --> 00:20:18.680 to a climb up to about 12,000 feet, 373 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:21.160 to rapidly accelerating away in a climb, 374 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:22.680 and in less than two seconds it was gone. 375 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.970 And you figure, you're talking 50 miles of visibility, 376 00:20:25.970 --> 00:20:28.660 and you can easily see an object that size, 377 00:20:28.660 --> 00:20:31.870 easily after 10 miles, and it just disappeared in seconds. 378 00:20:31.870 --> 00:20:34.320 - What would be the effects on a human pilot, 379 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:38.053 the G forces involved in that altitude change? 380 00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:41.460 - Well the altitude wouldn't be bad, 381 00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:43.347 it would be the acceleration of the object. 382 00:20:43.347 --> 00:20:44.180 - Right. 383 00:20:47.110 --> 00:20:48.660 - Honestly, I wanted to fly it. 384 00:20:51.487 --> 00:20:53.650 You know talking to some physicists, 385 00:20:53.650 --> 00:20:55.410 they don't think the human body could handle 386 00:20:55.410 --> 00:20:56.243 that kind of force 387 00:20:56.243 --> 00:20:57.076 with that acceleration. - Yeah, it doesn't, 388 00:20:57.076 --> 00:20:59.080 it doesn't sound like the human body could. 389 00:20:59.080 --> 00:21:01.230 So bottom line, what do you think this was? 390 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:05.240 - I believe as do the other folks 391 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.440 that were on the flight when we visually saw it, 392 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:09.540 that it was something not from this world. 393 00:21:11.590 --> 00:21:14.400 - Presumably you expressed that belief to your superiors, 394 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:15.300 what did they say? 395 00:21:17.300 --> 00:21:18.930 - Actually we caught a lot of grief 396 00:21:18.930 --> 00:21:20.720 getting back to the boat, 397 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:24.640 and it got passed off as an event that no one could explain. 398 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:26.170 Now keep in mind, they had been tracking these 399 00:21:26.170 --> 00:21:28.360 for two weeks prior to us seeing it, 400 00:21:28.360 --> 00:21:30.100 and this was the first time that manned airplanes 401 00:21:30.100 --> 00:21:32.883 had been airborne when the objects appeared. 402 00:21:34.420 --> 00:21:36.201 - This feels like a really big story to me, 403 00:21:36.201 --> 00:21:38.690 it's not exactly clear why 404 00:21:38.690 --> 00:21:40.670 Vladimir Putin's more interesting than this. 405 00:21:40.670 --> 00:21:42.190 I think this seems like a big deal, 406 00:21:42.190 --> 00:21:43.200 and Commander, I appreciate your 407 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.413 taking the time to talk do us about it. 408 00:21:46.874 --> 00:21:50.041 (in foreign language) 409 00:22:59.540 --> 00:23:04.320 - Back in 2004, the Secretary of Defense in Mexico 410 00:23:04.320 --> 00:23:07.413 called me to deliver a video to me. 411 00:23:08.810 --> 00:23:13.810 They recorded this video on March the 5th, 2004. 412 00:23:13.918 --> 00:23:17.490 It goes to the Campeche area, 413 00:23:17.490 --> 00:23:19.740 but the plane was in the middle of the jungle. 414 00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:22.030 They were able to record these lights, 415 00:23:22.030 --> 00:23:23.343 following the airplane. 416 00:23:24.656 --> 00:23:26.973 There were 11 lights following the airplane. 417 00:23:27.850 --> 00:23:31.410 The Mexican scientist went to the television to say, 418 00:23:31.410 --> 00:23:35.410 that they were, how you say, lightning, 419 00:23:35.410 --> 00:23:37.113 or energy in the air, 420 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:39.630 ball lightning. 421 00:23:39.630 --> 00:23:44.630 11 ball lightning, following and surrounding an airplane. 422 00:23:46.570 --> 00:23:49.940 They went to the Secretary of Defense later and said, 423 00:23:49.940 --> 00:23:51.430 oh we are sorry, 424 00:23:51.430 --> 00:23:54.800 oh we were wrong, sorry. 425 00:23:54.800 --> 00:23:58.370 But they had never said that publicly, you see? 426 00:23:58.370 --> 00:24:01.070 But they know they were wrong, 427 00:24:01.070 --> 00:24:02.940 because the Secretary of Defense 428 00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:06.070 wouldn't deliver a video of UFO's, 429 00:24:06.070 --> 00:24:08.163 if he knew it was something else. 430 00:24:09.300 --> 00:24:11.710 Then I can tell you, 431 00:24:11.710 --> 00:24:15.680 that proves that in Mexico even the authorities 432 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:17.530 are ready to accept this. 433 00:24:17.530 --> 00:24:19.490 The only reason we don't do it, 434 00:24:19.490 --> 00:24:22.420 is because we don't want to confront the US. 435 00:24:22.420 --> 00:24:26.100 We don't want to confront the scientists from the US, 436 00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:30.400 because they would make fun of the Mexican government, 437 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.460 and they would make jokes about that, 438 00:24:33.460 --> 00:24:35.960 and nobody's ready for that. 439 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.127 (in foreign language) 440 00:29:49.212 --> 00:29:51.462 (laughing) 441 00:29:55.352 --> 00:29:58.610 - I received a call from the Secretary 442 00:29:58.610 --> 00:30:01.810 of the Secretary of Defense in Mexico. 443 00:30:01.810 --> 00:30:02.810 He asked me to come. 444 00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:07.360 I had an appointment, I went there, 445 00:30:07.360 --> 00:30:10.320 I sit down in an office, nobody was there. 446 00:30:10.320 --> 00:30:15.053 When I realized I was in the drug traffic, 447 00:30:16.812 --> 00:30:19.488 from the administration from the military, 448 00:30:19.488 --> 00:30:21.030 and I said, Jesus Christ, 449 00:30:21.030 --> 00:30:22.110 what happened? 450 00:30:22.110 --> 00:30:24.840 Did somebody say that I did something? 451 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:26.320 What I'm doing here? 452 00:30:26.320 --> 00:30:28.680 I have to go, I have to go. 453 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:30.220 This is no good. 454 00:30:30.220 --> 00:30:32.650 And then they came and said, Mister Maussan, 455 00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:33.920 can you come with us please? 456 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:35.660 And I says, Jesus Christ, 457 00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:36.910 what is gonna happen now? 458 00:30:37.870 --> 00:30:40.833 And they took me to a little theater, 459 00:30:41.990 --> 00:30:44.473 and they put the video, and they all said, 460 00:30:44.473 --> 00:30:46.327 "Can you explain this please?" 461 00:30:47.360 --> 00:30:49.937 And I saw it, and I said, 462 00:30:49.937 --> 00:30:53.227 "Jesus, are these things following the airplane?" 463 00:30:53.227 --> 00:30:55.407 "Yes, and they surrounded the airplane." 464 00:30:56.837 --> 00:30:58.647 "Can I talk to the pilot?" 465 00:30:58.647 --> 00:31:01.300 "No, first tell us what you think." 466 00:31:01.300 --> 00:31:04.160 And I said, "Well, I think they are UFO's." 467 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.650 The video had been recorded with a FLIR camera. 468 00:31:07.650 --> 00:31:12.650 This camera was in 2004, just for the military. 469 00:31:12.950 --> 00:31:16.560 It was a very specialized camera, 470 00:31:16.560 --> 00:31:19.440 that could track the infrared, 471 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.783 and could track the heat in the airplane. 472 00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:26.170 They were using this camera 473 00:31:26.170 --> 00:31:30.150 in this airplane because they were looking for 474 00:31:30.150 --> 00:31:33.500 narcotics from, drugs from South America, 475 00:31:33.500 --> 00:31:35.500 and they were in the area where 476 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:40.260 is the shortest in Mexico, from coast to coast, 477 00:31:40.260 --> 00:31:42.573 and the airplanes had to go through there, 478 00:31:43.420 --> 00:31:48.420 and it was fairly easy to track these drug dealers. 479 00:31:49.820 --> 00:31:52.340 And they used this as special equipment. 480 00:31:52.340 --> 00:31:56.800 And the military, saw these lights. 481 00:31:56.800 --> 00:31:59.110 They couldn't see the lights with their eyes. 482 00:31:59.110 --> 00:32:01.620 They just saw it with the camera, 483 00:32:01.620 --> 00:32:04.060 but they knew, they had a screen, 484 00:32:04.060 --> 00:32:07.150 in the airplane and they were looking at the screen, 485 00:32:07.150 --> 00:32:09.260 even though they couldn't find it 486 00:32:09.260 --> 00:32:11.550 in the air, in the atmosphere. 487 00:32:11.550 --> 00:32:13.023 It was in the camera, 488 00:32:13.870 --> 00:32:15.630 and they got very nervous, 489 00:32:15.630 --> 00:32:19.220 especially when they were surrounded by these lights. 490 00:32:19.220 --> 00:32:21.093 The captain turn off 491 00:32:23.390 --> 00:32:25.130 the navigation lights, 492 00:32:25.130 --> 00:32:27.000 because he thought 493 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.473 he was gonna be confronted, by these UFO's. 494 00:32:31.950 --> 00:32:33.180 Then some people came, 495 00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:34.950 and tried to explain that video, 496 00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:39.950 saying that they were oil rigs. 497 00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:41.680 - [Interviewer] Letting off fire? 498 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.680 - Exactly, and some other things, 499 00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:49.493 missiles, and so many really crazy things. 500 00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:55.170 But the military were there every day, 501 00:32:55.170 --> 00:32:58.090 for many hours, in the same place, 502 00:32:58.090 --> 00:33:01.960 and they never saw something like this, 503 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:03.543 and they couldn't explain it. 504 00:33:04.930 --> 00:33:08.850 When I told them that these were UFO's, 505 00:33:08.850 --> 00:33:12.510 they said, "Okay, thank you very much Mister Maussan." 506 00:33:12.510 --> 00:33:15.273 And I left, they didn't tell me anything else. 507 00:33:16.110 --> 00:33:17.850 I received a call again, 508 00:33:17.850 --> 00:33:19.640 a couple of days later, 509 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.092 and they say, the Secretary of Defense 510 00:33:23.092 --> 00:33:26.270 wants to see you personally, in his office. 511 00:33:26.270 --> 00:33:27.363 I went there, 512 00:33:28.260 --> 00:33:31.580 and he asked me, "What do you think they are?" 513 00:33:31.580 --> 00:33:32.727 And I said, "UFO's. 514 00:33:32.727 --> 00:33:34.997 "Can I talk to the crew?" 515 00:33:34.997 --> 00:33:36.773 "You will, you will. 516 00:33:37.987 --> 00:33:40.587 "You are gonna be the only one who is gonna do that. 517 00:33:41.657 --> 00:33:43.177 "I'm gonna give you the tape, 518 00:33:43.177 --> 00:33:45.177 "you can do whatever you want. 519 00:33:45.177 --> 00:33:50.177 "Just remember that you have the honor and the pride 520 00:33:50.287 --> 00:33:53.777 "of the Armed Forces of Mexico in your hands. 521 00:33:53.777 --> 00:33:54.907 "Be very careful." 522 00:33:56.006 --> 00:33:59.173 (in foreign language) 523 00:35:49.757 --> 00:35:53.380 - "If somebody asks you who gave you this video..." 524 00:35:53.380 --> 00:35:56.570 I thought, oh he's gonna say, 525 00:35:56.570 --> 00:35:58.577 you don't know who gave you this. 526 00:35:58.577 --> 00:36:00.287 "...you are gonna say, 527 00:36:00.287 --> 00:36:04.020 "that the Secretary of Defense gave you this video." 528 00:36:04.020 --> 00:36:06.790 And I said, Jesus Christ. 529 00:36:06.790 --> 00:36:09.530 My pants almost fell down. 530 00:36:09.530 --> 00:36:13.110 I have this evidence, they have given me this evidence, 531 00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:15.870 and the Secretary of Defense of Mexico 532 00:36:15.870 --> 00:36:18.800 was supporting me, whatever I did with this. 533 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.960 I felt a big responsibility. 534 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.300 I investigated everything I could with this tape. 535 00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:26.640 I had a chance to interview 536 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:27.740 all the crew, 537 00:36:29.538 --> 00:36:32.568 the captain, and the cameraman, 538 00:36:32.568 --> 00:36:35.768 and everyone that was inside the plane, 539 00:36:35.768 --> 00:36:37.680 and all of them told me, 540 00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:41.073 this is real, we've never seen anything like this. 541 00:36:42.250 --> 00:36:44.710 And then I presented this video 542 00:36:44.710 --> 00:36:47.910 in a national television program in Mexico, 543 00:36:47.910 --> 00:36:50.940 in the newscast, in the most important newscast, 544 00:36:50.940 --> 00:36:51.773 on May the 9th, 545 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:58.768 or the 10th, of 2004. 546 00:36:58.768 --> 00:37:01.270 The next day I gave a press conference, 547 00:37:01.270 --> 00:37:03.730 and all the international media 548 00:37:03.730 --> 00:37:06.390 came to the press conference. 549 00:37:06.390 --> 00:37:08.370 I gave them this video, 550 00:37:08.370 --> 00:37:10.890 and next night, or that night, 551 00:37:10.890 --> 00:37:14.150 it was everywhere around the world, 552 00:37:14.150 --> 00:37:16.180 in every single newscast. 553 00:37:16.180 --> 00:37:19.010 I don't think there is a sighting of UFO's, 554 00:37:19.010 --> 00:37:22.070 that has been presented everywhere 555 00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:25.633 like this happened in 2004. 556 00:37:27.368 --> 00:37:31.540 And then I thought that I had done my job the best I could. 557 00:37:31.540 --> 00:37:34.520 I never expected the explanations 558 00:37:34.520 --> 00:37:37.470 that were going to be given to this video, 559 00:37:37.470 --> 00:37:41.403 incredible video, were gonna be so stupid as they were. 560 00:37:43.691 --> 00:37:46.858 (in foreign language) 561 00:41:34.888 --> 00:41:38.500 - After I learned that there were UFO's 562 00:41:38.500 --> 00:41:40.760 that were invisible to the eye, 563 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.970 I proposed that idea on television, 564 00:41:43.970 --> 00:41:45.950 and Pedro Avila, 565 00:41:45.950 --> 00:41:47.623 a UFO hunter, 566 00:41:48.750 --> 00:41:50.193 who cannot walk, 567 00:41:51.070 --> 00:41:53.940 he's in a chair, 568 00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:56.563 he's looking through his window all day long, 569 00:41:59.190 --> 00:42:02.900 built a device, to put two cameras, 570 00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:06.583 one infrared and one normal spectrum, 571 00:42:07.811 --> 00:42:10.570 and he was able, it's the only time 572 00:42:10.570 --> 00:42:12.730 that this has every been done everywhere 573 00:42:13.810 --> 00:42:18.610 where you have camera recording in the normal spectrum, 574 00:42:18.610 --> 00:42:21.430 and the other camera in the infrared, 575 00:42:21.430 --> 00:42:24.690 and you can see these objects in the infrared, 576 00:42:24.690 --> 00:42:27.360 and you cannot really see anything 577 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.130 in the normal spectrum, 578 00:42:29.130 --> 00:42:32.070 proving that there are UFO's 579 00:42:32.070 --> 00:42:35.103 that are not visible to the eye, to the sight. 580 00:42:35.990 --> 00:42:38.740 And I think that was very important. 581 00:42:38.740 --> 00:42:41.760 From then one, more and more people 582 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.610 and with the development of technology, 583 00:42:44.610 --> 00:42:48.713 even the FLIR technology now, 584 00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:53.870 available to many people, to almost anyone, 585 00:42:53.870 --> 00:42:57.180 who wants to have a FLIR camera, now you can have it. 586 00:42:57.180 --> 00:43:02.180 And now many people are recording these invisible UFO's, 587 00:43:03.140 --> 00:43:07.590 everywhere, and it is just amazing. 588 00:43:07.590 --> 00:43:12.590 And we are proving now that what was said 15 years ago, 589 00:43:13.130 --> 00:43:15.630 with the military in Mexico, 590 00:43:15.630 --> 00:43:20.060 is happening in many, many places, right now. 591 00:43:20.060 --> 00:43:22.990 - [Narrator] Jaime Maussan has a multi-faceted story, 592 00:43:22.990 --> 00:43:27.580 that spans the over-arcing theme of ET visitation. 593 00:43:27.580 --> 00:43:29.950 He has coordinated the investigation 594 00:43:29.950 --> 00:43:33.060 of the tridactylus beings in Peru, 595 00:43:33.060 --> 00:43:36.200 and that could become the most important finding 596 00:43:36.200 --> 00:43:38.413 that has been made on the theme. 597 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.040 His story will continue, 598 00:43:45.040 --> 00:43:47.927 and so will "Beyond the Spectrum." 599 00:43:49.548 --> 00:43:52.465 (electronic music) 600 00:44:14.914 --> 00:44:18.414 (film projector rattling)