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BRAD: I was just cleaning up
over here getting ready

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to make more trestles
and stuff for the gutters.

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This is our vegetable garden.

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LUCY: Did anything survive?

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Uh, yeah, vegetables are all
still pretty good.

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We've still got some tomatoes,
and lots of good fresh lemons,

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and the pomegranates,

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and there's still
some squash growing.

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This is the back deck.LUCY: Wow, paradise.

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This is my part of the paradise.

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LUCY: Oh wow, gorgeous.

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This is nice, nice,
comfortable area.

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[LAUGHS]

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LUCY: I don't know what to say.I get that reaction

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from a lot of people.

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Come inside, I'll show you.

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Would you like
to meet some people, Mom?

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I don't care.Okay.

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Your name again?LUCY: Lucy.

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Lucy. Mom, this is Lucy.

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LUCY: How you doing?

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Oh, I'm doing just fine.

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LUCY: How was the fire for you?

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How was the fire to me?LUCY: Hmm.

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Well, I'll clue you in.

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Being blind,
I thought they had all left me.

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And then Brad came in
and told me, he said,

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"I'm sorry, Mom,
we're fighting a fire storm."

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And I told him,

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"I want you always to remember

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the angels are always with you."

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Do you know they had to keep
the fire, flap those wings,

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keep that fire away.

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Okay. I'll be outside
for a little bit, Mama.

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I love you.I Love you.

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We're still here,
we didn't burn up.

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It was like it created
a big firestorm over here

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and just for about
four or five minutes

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it sucked the fire away from us.

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Angels. [LAUGHS] It was angels.

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Yup.

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Would have both died
if that hadn't happened.

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So someone was watching for us.

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LUCY: Do-- Were you praying,
were you asking-- Were you--

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who was it?I believe it was my wife.

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Yeah, she died a few years ago
and I built this for her.

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So...

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wasn't gonna lose it.

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LUCY: So sorry, I'm so happy,
I am so sorry.

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Yeah, oh no, I'm happy.
I'm happy.

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Over here, my mom's here
and safe and things are good.

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Life could be a lot worse.

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Most the people I know
lost everything.

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["“WE HAVE IT ALL"” PLAYING]

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♪ There was fire around us
So I should have known why ♪

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♪ The touch of his hands
Were as cold as his eyes ♪

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♪ So don't you tell me
We weren't hypnotized ♪

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♪ Whoa, oho

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♪ The print was so small
I didn't understand ♪

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♪ He cut our thumbs and placed
A feather in our hands ♪

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♪ Told us we would see

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♪ All our dreams
And plans unfold ♪

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♪ Ohho

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♪ Our hearts we have sold

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♪ For diamonds and gold

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♪ But hey, baby

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♪ Take a look we have it all

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LUCY: The world is waking up
to the hellish realization

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that all over this planet
wildfires are burning us alive.

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[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

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♪ But haven't you heard

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♪ Hearts turn to dirt

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♪ Along with the rest
Of your body ♪

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♪ It's all claimed
By the earth ♪

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MALE VOICE: ♪ It will fade
And it will wither ♪

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♪ But gold, it will never

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♪ And hey, baby

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♪ Don't you know
Diamonds are forever ♪

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LUCY: My obsession
with wildfire began

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when I first moved
to California.

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I was confused,
"Why is the hillside on fire?"

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I couldn't believe that people
just kept on driving.

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I am from London and the last
big fire we had there

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was the Great Fire of London
in 1666.

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I thought fire was
a medieval problem,

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not a modern one.[HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING]

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[PANTING][INDISTINCT CHATTER]

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LUCY: Then the biggest fire
in California history

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came along in 2017

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and I thought, "All right,

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somebody's got to make a film
about this one."

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But I'd only just gotten started

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when there was another
even bigger one.

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What was going on?

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To hell with an individual fire.

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I vowed not to stop
until I got all the way

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to the bottom of why these fires
keep on happening

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and that's why we came
to be embedded

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with firefighters
on what turned out to be

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the deadliest day for fires
ever in California.

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MAEVE: I mean, fucking hell.
It's hot.[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

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MAEVE: Oh my God, oh my God,
oh my God.

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Oh my God, oh my God,
oh my God, oh my God.

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It's fucking heat,
it's the whole ridge,

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it's the whole ridge.

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LUCY: In one day,
the whole story

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of why we're here now played out

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and it has all the pieces.

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Love, loss, liberty, capitalism,
class, and crime.

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But it isn't the story
I expected to be telling.

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I had expected heroism
and I found even more.

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But what I hadn't expected
was hope.

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Because we can do something
about this problem.

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Fire is a natural phenomenon.

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These wildfires,
however, are not.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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MATT: The wind was stronger
than normal.

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It was just stronger.
Woke me up that morning.

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I saw the fire...

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time kind of stood still there
for a minute.

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I took a quick picture of it.
It's 6:48 in the morning.

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And then I gave my report
on conditions.

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I knew it was gonna be
a bad one.

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We have our eyes
on the vegetation fire.

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It's gonna be very difficult
to access

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underneath
the transmission line.

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But it's heading
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of towards Concow lake.

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I go down the road
and I see a giant blowtorch

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going across the canyon.

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I went on the community
Facebook page

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and just put down there,
"Evacuate, run for your life!"

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OFFICER:

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LARRY: I turned around
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there was these
dark gray clouds.

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My wife was in the front room
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'cause her mother had spilled
a cup of coffee.

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And she's trying to clean it up.
So we had to get out now.

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I said, "You got three minutes
or we're gonna be dead."

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And I couldn't see the hood
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the smoke was so thick,

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I just shot in the middle
of the flames.

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The neighbors were about
ten minutes behind me

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and a tree had already fallen
across on that road.

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They couldn't get out.

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Dozens of people have died
in this fire.

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Twelve of 'em were up here.
Two on this road.

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Yeah.

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MALE VOICE:

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MALE VOICE 2:

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MALE VOICE:

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MALE VOICE 2:

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ALLYN: There were 67 patients
in the hospital that day.

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Evacuation warnings
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TAMARA: I went
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and I said, "We need to go now."
And she started looking around.

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And I said, "No,
just grab your baby."

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RACHELLE: But I still had
a catheter from surgery.

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Two lines with bags.
I can't run. I can't even walk.

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[RADIO BEEPING]OFFICER:

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RACHELLE: There were
no ambulances available.

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There was a little Nissan

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and they lifted me up
and put me in the seat.

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They put the IV bag
and stuff on the floor.

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And then handed me the baby
in the front seat of the car.

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[RADIO BEEPING]OFFICER 2:

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ALLYN: As the last patients
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fire's breaking out
on the campus.

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MALE VOICE:
I am at Feather River Hospital.

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There's fire down
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It's all blocked down here.
There's no way to go down here.

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MARY: When I got to school,
one mother came in

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and she really scared me.

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She looked at me and she goes,
"Get these kids out of here.

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It's bad." And so I started
pulling the kids out to the bus.

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And you go to work and you think
you're gonna teach about bats.

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That's how quickly
you're in a...[FINGER SNAPPING]

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...life or death situation.

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FRANK: You got 30 seconds
to get out of your house.

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What are you gonna grab?Take my two guns

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that I carry all the time
and put 'em in the basket

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of my four-wheeler
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I didn't even have
my ammunition, just the guns.

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ROBERT: Tried the car
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loaded with belongings,
but the heat came so quickly,

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so intensely,
I had to leave my car behind.

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I decided to run
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Create a buffer for myself.

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I did a quick look behind me,
it's gone.

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OPERATOR:

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FEMALE VOICE:

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OPERATOR:

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FEMALE VOICE:

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OPERATOR:

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We were sleeping and then
I heard the neighbor and all.

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And everything's black
likeWar of the Worlds.

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It's like we really have
to leave now,

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but my mom wouldn't come.

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She didn't think it was
an official evacuation order

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and these other people
and she's telling,

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we didn't get orders either.

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I just kinda panicked
like I can't convince her.

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I drove out
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I had everything I needed
except my mom.

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LAUREN: Communications
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Internet was down,
power was off.

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No one knew how fast
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that fire was coming at us.

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SEAN: It was a billion embers.

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And every one of those embers
started a fire.

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OPERATOR:FEMALE VOICE:

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OPERATOR:

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FEMALE VOICE 2:OPERATOR:

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MALE VOICE:OPERATOR:

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MALE VOICE:OPERATOR:

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OPERATOR:FEMALE VOICE 3:

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OPERATOR:

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So I climb out of the pool
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Might be keys in the car.

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There's people in the car,
"What are you doing?"

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FEMALE VOICE: I can't see
in front of me.MALE VOICE: 1: I know.

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They went, "We can't see."

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"Well, I can see,
get the fuck over."

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I was really jacked up by then

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and then old guy walked out
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I'm going, "Has nobody done
a door to door here?"

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And it's about 40, 50 homes
over here and I'm going,

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"Uh, okay", no one left behind
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[SIREN BLARING]

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JOE: So I drove by my street

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and saw that my house
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Just went back to work.

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BRAD: It was coming so fast
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I got our little garden hose
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I don't know
how I could describe it,

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it's like fighting an elephant
with a piece of spaghetti.

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Felt like we had sunburn.

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You know, you felt
like your face was gonna peel,

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it was so hot.

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MARY: We turn the corner

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and we are immediately
already trapped in traffic

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and they're already
fires all over the place.

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The entire event
was one giant parking lot.

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[TIRES SCREECHING]

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MALE VOICE:: Go!FEMALE VOICE: Go!

249
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MALE VOICE:

250
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FEMALE VOICE:OPERATOR:

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FEMALE VOICE:OPERATOR:

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MALE VOICE 2:
Keep your window up, guys.

253
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BRAD: There was people
trying to push each other

254
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off the road to get out of here.
It was pandemonium.

255
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MALE VOICE 2: Come on, people,
let's fuck out of here.[WOMAN 2 GRUNTS]

256
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MALE VOICE 2: Time to effin go.

257
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It's a full intersection
and all directions

258
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were completely blocked
with traffic.

259
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The fire was gonna impact
all those people.

260
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OFFICER:

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FEMALE VOICE: Oh fuck!

262
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JOSH: Nobody could go anywhere.

263
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Fire was burning
inside the cars.

264
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People were just in fear,
in shock

265
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and didn't know
what was going on.

266
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So there's a huge feeling
of helplessness,

267
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'cause the fire
is just kicking our ass.

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REBECCA: I don't wanna die here.
I don't want to die.

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LUCY: It's hard to believe that
the Camp Fire in Paradise

270
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was only one of four major fires
in California that day.

271
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In southern California,
the Woolsey Fire was taking off

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and headed for Malibu.

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REBECCA: Oh my God.
Please God, please. Oh my God.

274
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LUCY: It was the opposite end
of the state.

275
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The opposite end
of the political spectrum

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and the opposite end
of the economic spectrum.

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REBECCA: Please God, please.

278
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LUCY: The median home price
in Paradise...[REBECCA GASPS]

279
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...was around 200,000 dollars.

280
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In Malibu,
it was over two million dollars.

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Paradise tends to vote
Republican.

282
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Malibu always votes Democrat.

283
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But all our skin burns
just the same.

284
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When you're in hell...REBECCA: Oh my God,
please God...

285
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...you're in hell....oh my God.

286
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Oh my God.
Please get me out of here.

287
00:14:48.017 --> 00:14:49.105
Please God.

288
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[HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING]

289
00:14:56.721 --> 00:14:59.594
Air Attack Division
November Command.

290
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PILOT: Okay, copy that. I'll try
to get the helicopter around.

291
00:15:02.205 --> 00:15:03.815
Okay, I'll see you
at some point.

292
00:15:05.121 --> 00:15:06.993
It's dangerous
I mean we're out...[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

293
00:15:07.036 --> 00:15:08.646
...ahead of the fire
right now, right.

294
00:15:09.560 --> 00:15:11.998
We've had firefighter fatalities
in this area,

295
00:15:12.041 --> 00:15:15.175
because of the wind
shifting on you.

296
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You're constantly on alert

297
00:15:18.613 --> 00:15:21.007
trying to assess
what's going on.

298
00:15:21.877 --> 00:15:23.923
It's a big Rubik's Cube
and you're just trying to solve

299
00:15:23.966 --> 00:15:26.490
the puzzle and figure out
how to connect the dots

300
00:15:26.534 --> 00:15:27.665
and put the fire out.

301
00:15:30.538 --> 00:15:31.974
So there's our air tanker.

302
00:15:32.018 --> 00:15:35.195
He's working on, dropping
retarding on my line.

303
00:15:35.238 --> 00:15:38.850
[INDISTINCT CHATTER][AIRPLANE ENGINE WHIRRING]

304
00:15:39.199 --> 00:15:43.072
[MUSIC PLAYING]

305
00:15:43.377 --> 00:15:46.119
[INDISTINCT CHATTER][SIREN BLARES]

306
00:15:48.034 --> 00:15:49.861
MARSHALL: My dad was a colonel
in the marines.

307
00:15:49.905 --> 00:15:51.733
And now he's captain
of the fire department.

308
00:15:52.386 --> 00:15:53.909
He's also the mayor of Malibu.

309
00:15:54.518 --> 00:15:56.346
My dad and I had set up
this fire system

310
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where we have a big tank
in the backyard.

311
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And so that morning, my dad
put his hand on my shoulder.

312
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He's all in his fear gear
and he said, "Don't leave."

313
00:16:05.138 --> 00:16:06.922
And then he had to go.
You know, he has duties,

314
00:16:06.966 --> 00:16:08.358
so I was kinda like,
"Wait, stay here.

315
00:16:08.402 --> 00:16:09.838
[CHUCKLES] We need you."

316
00:16:09.881 --> 00:16:12.101
Today's the very last day
of the temporary workforce

317
00:16:12.145 --> 00:16:14.277
for the Forest Service.
Everyone's getting
laid off today.

318
00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.801
We don't have our workforce,
we don't have our hotshot crews.

319
00:16:16.845 --> 00:16:19.326
Usually, I have superintendents
that are driving around with me

320
00:16:19.369 --> 00:16:21.415
and we're going
into these canyons,

321
00:16:21.458 --> 00:16:23.025
and getting up high,
and looking down,

322
00:16:23.069 --> 00:16:24.722
and coming up with a plan.

323
00:16:26.724 --> 00:16:28.813
And yet again,
two years in a row,

324
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we're caught with our pants down
with no workforce

325
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and an end of the season fire.

326
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[HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING]

327
00:16:36.430 --> 00:16:37.735
MAEVE: California just mobilized

328
00:16:38.040 --> 00:16:39.824
a ton of our firefighters
up north

329
00:16:40.390 --> 00:16:42.958
and then all of a sudden
everyone had to shift gears

330
00:16:43.002 --> 00:16:44.829
and fight this fire
that was down here.

331
00:16:45.743 --> 00:16:48.094
Either I send helicopters there
to save that one

332
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or I work 'em through here
and that saves

333
00:16:50.966 --> 00:16:53.142
the other 50 homes
on the way up.

334
00:16:53.577 --> 00:16:56.928
You're left making
shitty decisions, you know,

335
00:16:56.972 --> 00:16:59.583
that you don't wanna make.

336
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MALE VOICE: No fire engines.
Fire everywhere.

337
00:17:07.809 --> 00:17:09.028
Holy shit.

338
00:17:09.071 --> 00:17:10.594
FEMALE VOICE:
There's no fire trucks up here.

339
00:17:10.638 --> 00:17:11.900
Where's all the fire trucks?

340
00:17:11.943 --> 00:17:17.036
MALE VOICE 2:

341
00:17:17.340 --> 00:17:18.515
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

342
00:17:20.126 --> 00:17:20.996
MALE VOICE 3: The wind's
picked up and there are embers.

343
00:17:22.345 --> 00:17:23.651
Fires are starting left
and right.

344
00:17:25.653 --> 00:17:27.394
CANDACE: They stopped me
and they said,
"We'll escort you.

345
00:17:27.437 --> 00:17:29.091
And I said, "Why?"

346
00:17:29.135 --> 00:17:31.180
Try and be nice.And they said,
"Fire on both sides.

347
00:17:31.224 --> 00:17:33.530
It's really dangerous."
I would not evacuate.

348
00:17:33.878 --> 00:17:37.273
The idea was I would be inside
and he would be outside.

349
00:17:37.665 --> 00:17:40.233
As you can see
a 50,000 gallon pool

350
00:17:40.842 --> 00:17:42.583
and I finally got
the pump working.

351
00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:47.718
But there was so much material
in the pool, the siphon clogged.

352
00:17:48.632 --> 00:17:51.331
THOR: We got a minute or two
over on this side

353
00:17:51.374 --> 00:17:52.984
and shoveled dirt on it

354
00:17:53.028 --> 00:17:55.335
and then the next one
would start.

355
00:17:55.726 --> 00:17:57.859
There's no adrenaline going.
You're past adrenaline.

356
00:17:58.642 --> 00:18:00.644
You're in survival win.

357
00:18:04.518 --> 00:18:06.433
JOHN: It was like
a fire tornado.

358
00:18:06.476 --> 00:18:08.696
The thing was like
400 feet tall.

359
00:18:09.131 --> 00:18:11.960
Spinning. I never seen
anything like it.

360
00:18:12.656 --> 00:18:13.962
FEMALE VOICE:
Let's get outta here.

361
00:18:15.181 --> 00:18:16.269
This whole row,

362
00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:18.662
it's sort of like
what you would see

363
00:18:18.706 --> 00:18:20.708
in the Midwest after a tornado.

364
00:18:25.843 --> 00:18:28.107
CRAIG: It pulled us off
with our feet towards it

365
00:18:28.411 --> 00:18:32.981
and it was circulating debris
200 or 300 feet in the air

366
00:18:33.024 --> 00:18:37.159
and I'm talking like pieces
of corrugated iron,

367
00:18:37.420 --> 00:18:39.161
whole pieces of tree

368
00:18:39.205 --> 00:18:42.121
like some kind of monster
or a demon.

369
00:18:44.210 --> 00:18:49.389
I just felt my legs going.
You know, like I'm out, I'm out.

370
00:18:50.912 --> 00:18:53.132
JEFFERSON: Your heart sinks
to a spot.

371
00:18:54.089 --> 00:18:55.221
Thirty years
of mortgage payments

372
00:18:55.264 --> 00:18:56.961
and five years
to build the place.

373
00:18:57.353 --> 00:19:00.095
[SOBS] I'm sorry.

374
00:19:02.053 --> 00:19:05.448
Watching the second floor fall
onto the first floor.

375
00:19:05.753 --> 00:19:07.494
That seemed to be a heartbreak
for me.

376
00:19:07.537 --> 00:19:10.627
There was like kind of a thing
around here that

377
00:19:10.671 --> 00:19:12.020
the Point doesn't burn

378
00:19:12.760 --> 00:19:16.807
and... [CHUCKLES]
...we were fucking wrong.

379
00:19:17.112 --> 00:19:19.506
The big second wave
came through and I was like

380
00:19:20.071 --> 00:19:21.247
this could be the end of it.

381
00:19:23.118 --> 00:19:24.859
MALE VOICE: Dad, get back.
Let's go.

382
00:19:25.381 --> 00:19:28.776
Get behind the fucking house.
Get behind the house!

383
00:19:30.995 --> 00:19:32.562
MARSHALL:
I am a professional cyclist,

384
00:19:32.606 --> 00:19:34.956
so I was prepared to run
for 15 hours straight.

385
00:19:34.999 --> 00:19:36.827
But my legs were just shredded.

386
00:19:37.350 --> 00:19:38.873
My friend looked at me
and he's like,

387
00:19:38.916 --> 00:19:40.440
"We're surrounded by fire.

388
00:19:40.788 --> 00:19:42.355
All your neighbor's houses
are on fire.

389
00:19:42.398 --> 00:19:44.357
We need to leave."
He's like, "You're gonna die."

390
00:19:46.228 --> 00:19:49.144
I heard my dad's words
in the back of my mind,

391
00:19:49.188 --> 00:19:50.624
"Don't leave." He's like,

392
00:19:50.667 --> 00:19:52.321
"If we lose the house,
we're fucked."

393
00:19:54.410 --> 00:19:55.803
It was emotional,
I didn't really know

394
00:19:55.846 --> 00:19:57.718
what to do,
I was like honor my dad

395
00:19:57.761 --> 00:19:59.763
or listen to my friend
who's telling me I'm gonna die.

396
00:20:00.634 --> 00:20:05.943
[CHUCKLES][MUSIC PLAYING]

397
00:20:15.953 --> 00:20:18.304
SEAN: I started seeing people
coming down the Skyway

398
00:20:18.347 --> 00:20:21.437
carrying children, dogs,
suitcases.

399
00:20:21.785 --> 00:20:24.658
There were people who had burns
and I was just yelling at 'em.

400
00:20:24.701 --> 00:20:27.051
"Just keep going down the hill.
Go into the Walgreen,

401
00:20:27.095 --> 00:20:28.401
so I have firefighters
waiting for you."

402
00:20:30.054 --> 00:20:32.405
I had told the guys we're gonna
use it as temporary refuge area

403
00:20:32.666 --> 00:20:34.320
and whatever you do,

404
00:20:34.363 --> 00:20:36.147
"Do not let that building
burn down."

405
00:20:36.191 --> 00:20:38.672
[SIREN WAILING][INDISTINCT CHATTER]

406
00:20:42.806 --> 00:20:44.547
SEAN: And to be honest,
I wasn't convinced

407
00:20:44.591 --> 00:20:45.896
it was going to work.

408
00:20:45.940 --> 00:20:48.334
It was just that
it was the only option we had.

409
00:20:48.377 --> 00:20:50.727
Once I pull these guys
off protecting this building,

410
00:20:51.075 --> 00:20:53.121
we're gonna go and start trying
to save all your homes.

411
00:20:53.643 --> 00:20:55.558
I think we ended up with like
a hundred people in there

412
00:20:55.950 --> 00:20:58.082
and the fire came,
and it came really hard.

413
00:21:00.084 --> 00:21:01.608
[SIREN BLARING]

414
00:21:01.999 --> 00:21:05.525
OFFICER:

415
00:21:06.308 --> 00:21:08.571
SEAN: We had massive explosions
going on.

416
00:21:08.615 --> 00:21:10.834
[EXPLOSION]

417
00:21:11.182 --> 00:21:13.533
It shook the ground
you were standing on.

418
00:21:16.013 --> 00:21:20.757
Everyone has ammunition
and it sounded like a war zone.

419
00:21:26.067 --> 00:21:28.069
Grown men holding
their children's hands

420
00:21:28.112 --> 00:21:29.288
began crying.

421
00:21:29.766 --> 00:21:32.421
You go them and say,
"I know what you feel.

422
00:21:32.465 --> 00:21:34.554
But you gotta cut it out
and you have to cut it out

423
00:21:34.597 --> 00:21:36.120
right now,
because it's contagious."

424
00:21:43.171 --> 00:21:45.565
MALE VOICE:MALE VOICE 2:

425
00:21:51.092 --> 00:21:53.137
OPERATOR: Okay,
and he still can't get out?

426
00:21:53.181 --> 00:21:54.269
MALE VOICE 2:

427
00:21:55.531 --> 00:21:56.706
OPERATOR: Are you trapped?MALE VOICE:

428
00:21:59.666 --> 00:22:00.971
OPERATOR: Okay, ma'am,

429
00:22:01.015 --> 00:22:02.321
you need to get out
of the house.

430
00:22:02.625 --> 00:22:03.757
FEMALE VOICE:

431
00:22:06.325 --> 00:22:07.326
Please.

432
00:22:10.198 --> 00:22:11.765
Oh my God.

433
00:22:18.989 --> 00:22:21.165
JESSIE: And I've never heard
anybody scream like that before.

434
00:22:23.516 --> 00:22:26.693
Looking back, you know
why they were screaming.

435
00:22:27.084 --> 00:22:28.651
They're burning alive.

436
00:22:34.570 --> 00:22:37.617
I saw people being burned alive
in their cars, trailers,

437
00:22:37.660 --> 00:22:39.445
their motorcycles
laying on the ground.

438
00:22:39.488 --> 00:22:41.795
Like just people fleeing
for their lives.

439
00:22:44.624 --> 00:22:47.278
There was burned up bodies
in the traffic jam.

440
00:22:47.627 --> 00:22:50.717
Skeletons.
That's all that was left.

441
00:22:51.457 --> 00:22:54.547
FEMALE VOICE: Somebody, help![CAR HORN HONKING]

442
00:22:55.896 --> 00:22:57.419
RACHELLE:
The window's hot and I'm hot.

443
00:22:57.811 --> 00:23:00.030
The baby's hot. I dumped
a little water on him

444
00:23:00.074 --> 00:23:02.946
and rubbed his head.
The driver's out of the car

445
00:23:02.990 --> 00:23:04.295
and I called my dad and I said,

446
00:23:04.339 --> 00:23:06.994
"Dad, I'm in a fire
and I can't get out.

447
00:23:07.037 --> 00:23:08.604
There's people
getting out of their cars

448
00:23:08.648 --> 00:23:09.910
and they're running.

449
00:23:10.389 --> 00:23:11.564
And I can't run.

450
00:23:12.129 --> 00:23:13.522
I can't even hardly feel
my legs.

451
00:23:13.566 --> 00:23:14.697
I can't even stand up

452
00:23:14.741 --> 00:23:16.438
and I've got this baby
on my lap.

453
00:23:17.787 --> 00:23:19.180
And I don't know what to do.

454
00:23:19.223 --> 00:23:21.574
What do I do? I don't wanna die!

455
00:23:22.792 --> 00:23:25.708
[SOBBING]

456
00:23:25.752 --> 00:23:29.582
When the driver got back
in the car, he said,

457
00:23:30.104 --> 00:23:32.454
"If we have to get out
of the car and go,

458
00:23:32.498 --> 00:23:33.847
what do you want me to do?"

459
00:23:36.066 --> 00:23:38.634
And I said, "I just want you
to take the baby and run.

460
00:23:38.678 --> 00:23:41.115
If you have to run,
just take him and go."

461
00:23:46.381 --> 00:23:49.906
ALLYN: My car is being burned
and I saw the side-mirror

462
00:23:49.950 --> 00:23:51.125
just starting to melt.

463
00:23:51.517 --> 00:23:55.695
That's when I thought
like it's over.

464
00:23:56.347 --> 00:23:59.916
I wrote my wife and said,
"I just want you guys to know

465
00:23:59.960 --> 00:24:01.744
I did everything
I possibly could

466
00:24:01.788 --> 00:24:04.094
to get out of this
to see you again

467
00:24:04.138 --> 00:24:05.444
and that I love you."

468
00:24:06.009 --> 00:24:08.316
I said, "There's fire on
both sides of the road.

469
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.013
The house next to me is on fire.

470
00:24:10.492 --> 00:24:12.451
I'm not gonna make it.
Just pray with me.

471
00:24:13.277 --> 00:24:15.889
Heavenly Father, please help us.

472
00:24:16.542 --> 00:24:21.460
FEMALE VOICE:

473
00:24:22.243 --> 00:24:23.592
ALLYN: Some of my colleagues
behind me,

474
00:24:23.636 --> 00:24:24.941
their car stalled out,

475
00:24:24.985 --> 00:24:26.073
'cause the oxygen
was literally being

476
00:24:26.116 --> 00:24:27.683
cooked out of the air.

477
00:24:27.727 --> 00:24:29.859
They ended up trying to walk
back up the road.

478
00:24:30.512 --> 00:24:34.429
OPERATOR:

479
00:24:34.473 --> 00:24:35.648
FEMALE VOICE:

480
00:24:37.040 --> 00:24:38.564
JOE: I overheard
some radio traffic that a dozer

481
00:24:38.607 --> 00:24:40.217
might be able to help
move some of the burning cars

482
00:24:40.261 --> 00:24:42.089
and protect the people
stuck on the road.

483
00:24:42.393 --> 00:24:44.047
The cars on left side
of the road

484
00:24:44.091 --> 00:24:45.484
were engulfed in flames

485
00:24:45.527 --> 00:24:47.834
and starting to explode
and threaten the vehicles

486
00:24:47.877 --> 00:24:50.184
next to them.
I encountered the nurses

487
00:24:50.227 --> 00:24:51.968
and law enforcement officers
on foot.

488
00:24:52.012 --> 00:24:53.970
MALE VOICE:OFFICER:

489
00:24:54.405 --> 00:24:56.756
They were incredibly panicked,
rightfully so.

490
00:24:57.452 --> 00:25:00.281
At this point, everything
surrounding us was on fire.

491
00:25:01.151 --> 00:25:02.762
Almost every vehicle
on that road

492
00:25:03.066 --> 00:25:04.894
had people taking refuge in 'em.

493
00:25:05.242 --> 00:25:07.114
A hundred cars, maybe more.

494
00:25:07.593 --> 00:25:08.637
The looks on their faces,

495
00:25:08.681 --> 00:25:10.073
they were sure
they were gonna die.

496
00:25:11.422 --> 00:25:13.424
I've never seen that look
on anybody's face.

497
00:25:14.382 --> 00:25:16.906
FEMALE VOICE: [SOBS] Oh my God.MALE VOICE:
It's all that's important.

498
00:25:18.473 --> 00:25:20.780
JOE: The heat broke
the windows of my dozer

499
00:25:20.823 --> 00:25:22.782
and I knew I was running
out of time.

500
00:25:23.217 --> 00:25:24.914
And I was now
endangering myself.

501
00:25:27.177 --> 00:25:29.266
I don't believe
I could've let myself stand back

502
00:25:29.310 --> 00:25:31.791
and watch those vehicles
and people burn up.

503
00:25:31.834 --> 00:25:36.578
I was perfectly willing
to move forward and risk myself

504
00:25:36.622 --> 00:25:37.666
for those people.

505
00:25:39.973 --> 00:25:41.191
Right around that time like

506
00:25:41.235 --> 00:25:43.629
I hear this like kind of bang.[EXPLOSION]

507
00:25:44.368 --> 00:25:45.892
[TIRES SCREECHING]

508
00:25:45.935 --> 00:25:48.503
And this bulldozer had knocked
this truck almost the size

509
00:25:48.547 --> 00:25:49.809
of mine like out of the way.

510
00:25:49.852 --> 00:25:51.114
Like you're kicking over
a shoebox.

511
00:25:52.594 --> 00:25:53.769
And I've got a path
like to turn around.

512
00:25:53.813 --> 00:25:56.511
[CAR ENGINE REVVING]

513
00:26:08.436 --> 00:26:11.831
[HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING]

514
00:26:13.093 --> 00:26:16.575
I've never been so happy
to see a sunny sky. [LAUGHS]

515
00:26:29.588 --> 00:26:30.937
MAEVE: I'm exhausted.

516
00:26:31.459 --> 00:26:32.808
I've been out here for...

517
00:26:33.635 --> 00:26:39.075
28, 29 hours, 30 hours,
something like that.

518
00:26:39.772 --> 00:26:42.383
If you're sleeping
behind the curb

519
00:26:43.210 --> 00:26:45.212
and meanwhile someone's house
is burning down.

520
00:26:45.255 --> 00:26:46.909
This is why you don't take naps.

521
00:26:49.346 --> 00:26:51.131
No.

522
00:26:51.174 --> 00:26:53.220
There's a lot of horses
in there.

523
00:26:53.263 --> 00:26:57.616
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]Oh, I'm so sorry, horses.

524
00:26:58.747 --> 00:27:04.535
[MUSIC PLAYING]

525
00:27:07.190 --> 00:27:11.238
I remember just like peeking
through this smudgy dark windows

526
00:27:11.281 --> 00:27:12.805
out over the canyon

527
00:27:13.588 --> 00:27:14.981
and I was just wondering
I was like,

528
00:27:15.024 --> 00:27:17.026
"I think all of Malibu
burned down."

529
00:27:19.725 --> 00:27:22.728
SAM: For about three days
we stayed up all night.

530
00:27:22.771 --> 00:27:26.209
It was so anxious-ridden
and we knew the fire

531
00:27:26.253 --> 00:27:27.776
was still so active.

532
00:27:27.820 --> 00:27:30.779
We've been given the name
of the Point Dume Bombers.

533
00:27:30.823 --> 00:27:33.826
The name of the little
surf crew down here.

534
00:27:33.869 --> 00:27:36.437
We did save a lot of homes.

535
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.396
And to be completely honest
I have no fucking idea

536
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:40.702
how we pulled it off.

537
00:27:40.746 --> 00:27:42.269
Paramedics didn't even
assess me.

538
00:27:42.748 --> 00:27:44.663
Intensive care unit
three days.

539
00:27:45.054 --> 00:27:46.229
I also got a hernia.

540
00:27:46.273 --> 00:27:48.405
And they ended up
amputating the toe.

541
00:27:59.808 --> 00:28:02.724
MAEVE: A lot of times,
people don't evacuate.

542
00:28:03.116 --> 00:28:04.987
So we will spend two
or three days there

543
00:28:05.031 --> 00:28:06.728
prepping their property
for a fire to come.

544
00:28:06.772 --> 00:28:08.121
And then we come back today

545
00:28:08.164 --> 00:28:09.513
and they died overnight
in the fire.

546
00:28:09.818 --> 00:28:12.473
So two of those Indians made
friends with the people

547
00:28:12.516 --> 00:28:14.823
which means I can't send them

548
00:28:15.302 --> 00:28:17.870
to start mopping up,

549
00:28:18.740 --> 00:28:21.656
because it'll be too much
of a mental fatigue

550
00:28:21.874 --> 00:28:23.745
if I send them in there.
So I need to send them

551
00:28:23.789 --> 00:28:25.791
somewhere else
and then get fresh people in...

552
00:28:27.140 --> 00:28:29.620
to where the fatalities are,
so that they're not looking

553
00:28:29.664 --> 00:28:32.058
at bodies of people
that they spoke with yesterday.

554
00:28:33.842 --> 00:28:35.670
STACY: I mean, the first words
out of his mouth were,

555
00:28:35.714 --> 00:28:37.106
"Everything is gone." [CHUCKLES]

556
00:28:37.628 --> 00:28:40.849
I don't care, you know.
Everything is not gone.

557
00:28:41.415 --> 00:28:43.373
He thought that he had failed us
you know.

558
00:28:43.417 --> 00:28:45.114
As the father, as the protector.

559
00:28:45.724 --> 00:28:48.030
But I can you tell today
for sure

560
00:28:48.074 --> 00:28:50.772
with no doubt in my mind
a hundred percent

561
00:28:50.816 --> 00:28:53.775
that I have the love
of my life standing next to me

562
00:28:53.819 --> 00:28:55.908
and he is my hero today.

563
00:29:00.521 --> 00:29:01.914
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

564
00:29:02.218 --> 00:29:03.567
FEMALE VOICE: Oh my God.

565
00:29:05.918 --> 00:29:08.834
MALE VOICE: Oh.FEMALE VOICE: Can't believe it.

566
00:29:08.877 --> 00:29:10.096
[LAUGHS]

567
00:29:11.575 --> 00:29:13.186
I can't believe that!

568
00:29:15.362 --> 00:29:17.712
This house,
my grandma and grandpa,

569
00:29:17.756 --> 00:29:20.889
her mom and dad built.
And my grandpa made this sign.

570
00:29:22.064 --> 00:29:23.892
"May all who enter enjoy
its warmth

571
00:29:23.936 --> 00:29:25.198
and share our contiment."

572
00:29:25.807 --> 00:29:26.852
Contentment.Contentment.

573
00:29:26.895 --> 00:29:29.550
[LAUGHS][LAUGHS] Contentment.

574
00:29:30.333 --> 00:29:32.901
Mom's getting all choked up, aw.

575
00:29:33.597 --> 00:29:36.557
This house means a lot to her.[SNIFFLES] Everything.

576
00:29:36.949 --> 00:29:39.952
And when we had to leave
and left him there,

577
00:29:39.995 --> 00:29:43.738
I couldn't even think.

578
00:29:45.566 --> 00:29:47.394
It's everything to have
my kids here

579
00:29:47.437 --> 00:29:50.484
doing what I did
and what my dad did.

580
00:29:50.527 --> 00:29:52.965
It's not just a house,
it's a home.

581
00:29:53.008 --> 00:29:55.402
That's why we're like
not gonna let a fire take it.

582
00:29:55.445 --> 00:29:57.012
[LAUGHS][LAUGHS]

583
00:29:57.056 --> 00:30:01.277
This whole side of the canyon,
the whole thing was on fire.

584
00:30:01.538 --> 00:30:03.540
And it was just skipping
down the hill

585
00:30:04.106 --> 00:30:05.586
faster than you could run.

586
00:30:05.629 --> 00:30:06.935
RICK: The fire behavior
up in the canyons

587
00:30:06.979 --> 00:30:09.938
was you know, like peering
into Dante's Inferno

588
00:30:09.982 --> 00:30:12.201
and when I came by and I saw
the house there it was like...

589
00:30:12.462 --> 00:30:15.726
[SIGHS] Yes, this is great.

590
00:30:15.770 --> 00:30:17.119
Did a great job.

591
00:30:19.382 --> 00:30:20.731
LUCY: Dante's Inferno?

592
00:30:20.775 --> 00:30:22.342
Yes, it was terrible.

593
00:30:22.733 --> 00:30:24.257
I've seen a few fires like that,

594
00:30:24.300 --> 00:30:26.389
but that was on a scale
that I hadn't seen before.

595
00:30:26.433 --> 00:30:28.696
You know, I look and say,
"Oh, what if that whole canyon

596
00:30:28.739 --> 00:30:31.394
went off. That would be
terrible, but they all went off

597
00:30:31.438 --> 00:30:32.656
at the same time.

598
00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:34.267
So the amount of energy
that was released

599
00:30:34.310 --> 00:30:37.183
up in those canyons
was horrific.

600
00:30:37.792 --> 00:30:39.663
It was horrific.
And if you're in the wrong place

601
00:30:39.707 --> 00:30:42.492
at the wrong time,
you can die. Certainly.

602
00:30:42.753 --> 00:30:44.843
And the fact that more people
didn't die in this

603
00:30:44.886 --> 00:30:45.974
is very lucky.

604
00:30:46.018 --> 00:30:48.150
And that's the success story
of this fire.

605
00:30:48.194 --> 00:30:52.241
So that's my mayor side talking.
The evacuation effort worked.

606
00:31:36.329 --> 00:31:37.373
Clear.

607
00:31:43.205 --> 00:31:45.468
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

608
00:31:48.776 --> 00:31:53.476
[CAR ENGINE REVVING]

609
00:32:00.527 --> 00:32:06.054
[MUSIC PLAYING]

610
00:32:10.929 --> 00:32:12.191
MALE VOICE: What do you think?

611
00:32:15.846 --> 00:32:21.461
I need just something...[MUSIC PLAYING]

612
00:32:46.921 --> 00:32:49.880
[ENGINE STARTS]

613
00:32:59.064 --> 00:33:01.240
SEAN: People were unable
to escape that fire

614
00:33:01.283 --> 00:33:02.981
and it caught 'em
where they were.

615
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:06.810
Some were in their homes,
and some were outside,

616
00:33:06.854 --> 00:33:08.116
and some were in their cars.

617
00:33:10.771 --> 00:33:13.208
It was difficult.
[CLEARS THROAT] Very difficult.

618
00:33:25.829 --> 00:33:28.702
SEAN: It's easy to motivate
firefighters to go fight a fire.

619
00:33:30.965 --> 00:33:35.187
It's difficult to motivate them
to sift through the remains

620
00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:38.233
of 18,000 buildings
to look for bones.

621
00:33:38.929 --> 00:33:40.279
And that's what we were doing.

622
00:33:43.238 --> 00:33:48.287
[MUSIC PLAYING]

623
00:33:50.941 --> 00:33:53.596
CHRISTINA: This yellow tape
is where they found her

624
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:54.771
'cause they dug.

625
00:33:56.208 --> 00:34:00.342
The couch would have been
that way, not this way.

626
00:34:02.083 --> 00:34:03.171
I don't know.

627
00:34:04.477 --> 00:34:07.349
They cross-confirmed the DNA
with my mom.

628
00:34:08.568 --> 00:34:11.875
I didn't even get to say
that I loved her.

629
00:34:13.094 --> 00:34:15.009
I blame myself about it.

630
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.883
I'm an only child
and she was my only family.

631
00:34:42.210 --> 00:34:43.646
JAMIE: I moved to LA
five years ago

632
00:34:43.690 --> 00:34:46.084
from New York as a widower.
As a fresh widower.

633
00:34:46.736 --> 00:34:50.262
So the hardest thing to lose
is like a tall stack

634
00:34:50.871 --> 00:34:53.526
of notebooks of remembrances
of my wife.

635
00:34:55.180 --> 00:34:56.355
And then my father
just passed away,

636
00:34:57.921 --> 00:34:59.053
so I had clothes that I really
looked forward to wearing

637
00:34:59.097 --> 00:35:00.228
that were his.

638
00:35:01.055 --> 00:35:02.665
So that's the stuff
that's difficult.

639
00:35:04.798 --> 00:35:08.367
Everything I could replace,
books, furniture, clothes

640
00:35:08.671 --> 00:35:10.369
really had no meaning.

641
00:35:10.412 --> 00:35:14.460
And everything that had meaning
which is mem-- notes, photos,

642
00:35:14.503 --> 00:35:16.549
keepsakes,
I could never replace.

643
00:35:17.289 --> 00:35:19.378
MALE VOICE: The smoke
that so many complained about

644
00:35:20.161 --> 00:35:22.207
was the last remnants
of my pets.

645
00:35:26.341 --> 00:35:28.082
STREDWICK: I had a lot
of pictures that went back

646
00:35:28.126 --> 00:35:29.475
few generations.

647
00:35:30.302 --> 00:35:33.087
My mom's and grandmom's deaths,
lot of years.

648
00:35:33.131 --> 00:35:34.567
And there were a lot
of the recipes.

649
00:35:35.655 --> 00:35:37.135
THOR: I'm not sure
what happened.

650
00:35:37.613 --> 00:35:39.485
But I'm finding there's
a new importance

651
00:35:40.050 --> 00:35:41.182
to the little material things.

652
00:35:42.792 --> 00:35:46.535
Objects and photographs,
they unlock memories.

653
00:35:47.580 --> 00:35:49.843
It's a memory that comes back
out of the fog.

654
00:35:51.149 --> 00:35:54.152
The keys to my memory
were my belongings.

655
00:35:55.327 --> 00:35:56.719
But everything's gone.

656
00:35:57.981 --> 00:36:03.291
I could be a fog person now.
One of the ones in the fog.

657
00:36:08.427 --> 00:36:10.559
MALE VOICE: Didn't have a lot
of personal stuff,

658
00:36:10.603 --> 00:36:13.040
but the watches I wanted,
they were my step-dad's.

659
00:36:13.693 --> 00:36:16.130
He was a navy hero.

660
00:36:16.174 --> 00:36:18.524
Had a silver star
and a purple heart.

661
00:36:20.308 --> 00:36:24.007
Feel like I'm on an acid trip
that might not end.

662
00:36:25.748 --> 00:36:28.577
How do you not end up homeless
which is almost a joke

663
00:36:28.621 --> 00:36:30.449
at this point, because I am
technically homeless.

664
00:36:33.669 --> 00:36:36.411
How do not let it drive you
down, down, down, down

665
00:36:36.455 --> 00:36:39.762
to whatever spark
or semblance of a spark

666
00:36:39.806 --> 00:36:40.894
that moves you forward
in the world

667
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:43.940
and brings opportunities,
and friends,

668
00:36:43.984 --> 00:36:45.159
and love, and all that.

669
00:36:45.203 --> 00:36:47.292
Just goes out
and you become embittered

670
00:36:47.335 --> 00:36:50.425
and it-- and-- and that--
and it's-- it just doesn't seem

671
00:36:50.469 --> 00:36:53.472
like it's a far jump
when stuff happens to you

672
00:36:53.515 --> 00:36:55.256
and you really-- It hits hard.

673
00:36:57.650 --> 00:37:02.045
[SIZZLING][INDISTINCT CHATTER]

674
00:37:02.089 --> 00:37:07.486
[MUSIC PLAYING]

675
00:37:10.837 --> 00:37:12.752
BRAD: There's a lot of people
with no place to go.

676
00:37:12.795 --> 00:37:15.015
They're sleeping outside,
it's gonna start raining.

677
00:37:15.058 --> 00:37:16.234
It's getting cold.

678
00:37:17.626 --> 00:37:20.238
So I'm cleaning out--
this was--

679
00:37:20.281 --> 00:37:23.110
this little middle room
was my storeroom.

680
00:37:23.415 --> 00:37:25.504
My garage, everything
is getting cleaned out

681
00:37:25.547 --> 00:37:28.289
and going out in the shop,
so can move some other people in

682
00:37:28.333 --> 00:37:30.291
and give 'em a place to live
until they can rebuild.

683
00:37:30.335 --> 00:37:36.254
[MUSIC PLAYING]

684
00:37:45.524 --> 00:37:49.267
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

685
00:37:52.226 --> 00:37:55.055
THOR: It's just wonderful to get
something hot, something cooked.

686
00:37:55.621 --> 00:37:57.492
Well, these eggs are fantastic.

687
00:37:58.188 --> 00:38:01.279
And I like the ketchup,
I'm a big fan of the ketchup.

688
00:38:02.192 --> 00:38:05.413
It beats granola bars
hands down. [LAUGHS]

689
00:38:05.805 --> 00:38:08.286
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]LUCY:

690
00:38:31.396 --> 00:38:35.008
[DOGS BARKING]

691
00:38:36.966 --> 00:38:40.361
[SOBBING]

692
00:38:42.537 --> 00:38:45.366
FEMALE VOICE: I love you
so much, Brad.BRAD: I love you, too, baby.

693
00:38:45.410 --> 00:38:48.674
FEMALE VOICE: I brought you
water, and food,
and fruit for Mawmaw.

694
00:38:49.370 --> 00:38:50.589
I want my kisses.

695
00:38:55.768 --> 00:38:57.552
Love you.Love you.

696
00:38:57.596 --> 00:38:59.815
I told you can come
live with us.

697
00:39:00.120 --> 00:39:02.514
Aww, thank you, Mawmaw.

698
00:39:12.219 --> 00:39:15.091
[BREATHES HEAVILY]

699
00:39:15.744 --> 00:39:17.485
That's my neighbor's house.

700
00:39:19.139 --> 00:39:20.880
Their garage didn't make it.

701
00:39:22.316 --> 00:39:23.709
They have their home.

702
00:39:26.842 --> 00:39:28.888
Oh my God. [SOBS]

703
00:39:29.192 --> 00:39:32.935
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

704
00:39:35.677 --> 00:39:38.245
I was hoping that
this wouldn't be burnt so bad.

705
00:39:41.466 --> 00:39:43.729
So this was my kids' bedrooms...

706
00:39:45.208 --> 00:39:48.298
and then my bedroom
where the wall collapsed.

707
00:39:48.908 --> 00:39:51.389
[SIGHS, SNIFFLES]

708
00:39:55.305 --> 00:39:58.221
[MAN COUGHING]My daughter's bed. [SOBS]

709
00:40:01.050 --> 00:40:03.401
All my kids' stuff.

710
00:40:05.664 --> 00:40:09.015
[SNIFFLES] I mean
I know it's just stuff, but...

711
00:40:11.409 --> 00:40:14.499
it was my stuff.
It was my memories.

712
00:40:15.978 --> 00:40:18.938
[SOBS]

713
00:40:19.678 --> 00:40:23.899
[CRIES]

714
00:40:32.778 --> 00:40:33.779
BRAD:
I don't need coffee, bud.

715
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:36.564
I'm on--Are those regular cookies

716
00:40:36.608 --> 00:40:38.044
or special cookies?Those are regular.

717
00:40:38.087 --> 00:40:39.785
Okay.Those are not specials.

718
00:40:40.263 --> 00:40:43.310
I have specials if you want one.Can I have some-- No, no, no.

719
00:40:43.353 --> 00:40:46.008
I mean we've had the Tubbs Fire.
We have the Carr Fire.

720
00:40:46.531 --> 00:40:48.707
You know, Lake County seems
like they can't get a break.

721
00:40:48.750 --> 00:40:50.578
And it seems like every year
now they're on fire.

722
00:40:51.144 --> 00:40:53.276
And what do we do--BRAD: Every other year Concow,

723
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.627
Yankee Hill.And what do we do different?

724
00:40:56.192 --> 00:40:58.151
Even if we believe
that it's climate change,

725
00:40:58.194 --> 00:41:00.632
we gotta do something about it.BRAD: Mm-hmm.

726
00:41:00.675 --> 00:41:02.808
So let's just say I believe it,
which I don't.

727
00:41:02.851 --> 00:41:04.940
But let's just say
I did for a brief second.

728
00:41:04.984 --> 00:41:06.986
Even if you wanna go
with that explanation,

729
00:41:07.377 --> 00:41:09.075
what do we do differently?Mm-hmm.

730
00:41:09.728 --> 00:41:13.166
LUCY: It came as a shock
that the residents most affected

731
00:41:13.209 --> 00:41:16.299
by the fires didn't connect them
with climate change.

732
00:41:18.345 --> 00:41:20.826
Fire, and it happen every year,
so it has nothing do

733
00:41:20.869 --> 00:41:24.264
with global warming.
That's just a hoax.

734
00:41:24.307 --> 00:41:28.790
It's just people making money
off it, you know.

735
00:41:28.834 --> 00:41:30.879
You can sit back, you can see
who makes money off it.

736
00:41:30.923 --> 00:41:32.272
And--LUCY: Who does?

737
00:41:33.142 --> 00:41:35.536
All the big shots are the ones
squawking about it,

738
00:41:36.145 --> 00:41:37.320
you know, it's--

739
00:41:38.713 --> 00:41:41.673
It's none of us people
down here, on the other end,

740
00:41:41.716 --> 00:41:43.065
we ain't gettin' nothing
from it,

741
00:41:43.762 --> 00:41:48.984
but yeah,
no that's just a hoax anyway.

742
00:41:49.028 --> 00:41:50.638
You said you were from what,
New York?

743
00:41:51.465 --> 00:41:53.989
LUCY: I am not from New York,
but what I think he means

744
00:41:54.033 --> 00:41:55.556
is that
I'm not from around there.

745
00:41:55.904 --> 00:41:57.427
And I am one of those people

746
00:41:57.471 --> 00:41:59.647
who goes with the science
on climate change.

747
00:42:02.171 --> 00:42:04.130
CHAR: Climate change is shifting
the environment.

748
00:42:04.173 --> 00:42:07.786
We have deep drought, fast fire,
and hard rain,

749
00:42:08.177 --> 00:42:09.831
and it's only
going to accelerate.

750
00:42:10.702 --> 00:42:12.921
The western part
of the United States

751
00:42:12.965 --> 00:42:15.315
is going through
this massive conversion

752
00:42:15.358 --> 00:42:19.058
in terms of climate-driven
alterations of its environment.

753
00:42:19.580 --> 00:42:22.496
The research is showing
that what we're doing

754
00:42:22.540 --> 00:42:24.672
is converting forest
to grassland.

755
00:42:24.716 --> 00:42:27.545
Grassland that over time
will become more desert.

756
00:42:27.849 --> 00:42:30.243
And one way of thinking about it
is the Sonoran,

757
00:42:30.286 --> 00:42:34.247
Chihuahuan deserts in Mexico
are moving across a border.

758
00:42:34.290 --> 00:42:36.075
That it's normal
that it's emerging

759
00:42:36.118 --> 00:42:37.729
actually is far more dangerous

760
00:42:37.772 --> 00:42:39.252
than what we've seen
in the past.

761
00:42:40.819 --> 00:42:42.298
The numbers themselves don't lie

762
00:42:42.342 --> 00:42:43.691
if you look
at the trends of 'em.

763
00:42:43.735 --> 00:42:45.563
And the trends
are really overwhelming.

764
00:42:46.041 --> 00:42:48.827
Historically, the winds
were always there,

765
00:42:48.870 --> 00:42:50.611
but the fuels
were not dried out.

766
00:42:51.917 --> 00:42:53.571
Something is happening more
and more

767
00:42:53.614 --> 00:42:55.094
is the rains have not arrived.

768
00:42:55.529 --> 00:42:58.576
At a time of year,
when normally the fuels

769
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:00.360
would've been too wet
to get going.

770
00:43:03.102 --> 00:43:06.758
Had nighttime temperatures go up
almost two degrees Fahrenheit.

771
00:43:06.801 --> 00:43:08.760
And you make the most
of your progress

772
00:43:08.803 --> 00:43:10.544
containing a fire at night.

773
00:43:11.023 --> 00:43:13.591
And when you don't get that
recovery period at night,

774
00:43:13.895 --> 00:43:16.115
that's a real recipe
for catastrophe.

775
00:43:17.072 --> 00:43:19.248
STEPHEN: We're creating
a kind of fire age.

776
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.077
The fire equivalent
of an ice age.

777
00:43:23.426 --> 00:43:26.473
For me, it fits into
a master narrative

778
00:43:26.516 --> 00:43:29.128
that I have of ourselves
as fire creatures.

779
00:43:30.782 --> 00:43:33.393
It had always been our problem
as a fire creature.

780
00:43:33.436 --> 00:43:37.179
Our quest for fire, if you will,
to find more stuff to burn.

781
00:43:38.093 --> 00:43:41.575
What we've done is find
a whole new world

782
00:43:41.967 --> 00:43:45.057
of buried fossilized biomass.

783
00:43:45.405 --> 00:43:47.625
And we're taking it out
of the geologic mass,

784
00:43:48.060 --> 00:43:50.976
burning it, and releasing it
into the geologic future.

785
00:43:51.716 --> 00:43:53.979
That has been enormously
powerful for us,

786
00:43:54.501 --> 00:43:57.939
but that broke our relationship
with the living landscape.

787
00:43:57.983 --> 00:44:00.246
'Cause this stuff,
it can't be absorbed

788
00:44:00.507 --> 00:44:03.379
and so we are destroying
our habitat

789
00:44:03.423 --> 00:44:05.120
with this kind of fire.

790
00:44:07.253 --> 00:44:09.516
LUCY: I had made an assumption
that climate change

791
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.650
was the thing that was driving
these hellishly bad fires.

792
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.393
We've had these
record-breakingly hottest years

793
00:44:17.437 --> 00:44:19.831
and these record-breakingly
biggest fires.

794
00:44:20.614 --> 00:44:22.268
So it just correlated.

795
00:44:24.009 --> 00:44:26.359
But it turns out
there's more to it.

796
00:44:27.795 --> 00:44:30.015
Climate change in a lot of ways
is a distraction

797
00:44:30.058 --> 00:44:33.148
from the issue of fire,
because Paradise was gonna burn

798
00:44:33.192 --> 00:44:34.672
whether there was climate change
or not.

799
00:44:35.237 --> 00:44:39.198
STEPHEN: Even if climate change
miraculously went back

800
00:44:39.241 --> 00:44:40.721
to the 1960s level,

801
00:44:41.156 --> 00:44:43.289
we would still have
a fire crisis.

802
00:44:44.769 --> 00:44:48.076
Climate change is undoubtedly
aggravating fire problems.

803
00:44:48.468 --> 00:44:50.122
It's a major factor,

804
00:44:50.165 --> 00:44:53.429
it is a performance enhancer,
but it is not the only thing.

805
00:44:54.474 --> 00:44:56.824
I'm sorry, I-- I'm sorry
to say this in a way,

806
00:44:56.868 --> 00:44:59.784
because you get blamed
and climate changer denier

807
00:44:59.827 --> 00:45:02.569
or you're soft denier,
that's not my intention.

808
00:45:02.612 --> 00:45:05.137
But if you say climate change
is the only thing that matters,

809
00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:07.879
then the only thing to fix it
is fixing climate change.

810
00:45:07.922 --> 00:45:09.445
That's not gonna happen
for a long time.

811
00:45:09.489 --> 00:45:10.620
I say that with sadness.

812
00:45:12.100 --> 00:45:13.754
I've got grandkids,
but we don't just have to build

813
00:45:13.798 --> 00:45:16.017
concrete bunkers
and wait it out.

814
00:45:16.714 --> 00:45:20.369
We can work with this
and if we're lucky and good,

815
00:45:20.413 --> 00:45:23.590
then we'll leave enough
for our grandkids

816
00:45:23.938 --> 00:45:25.810
to be able to build
a different world out of.

817
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:28.551
LUCY: So this is the good news.

818
00:45:28.595 --> 00:45:31.337
Climate change
and fire are separable.

819
00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:33.034
This movie doesn't have to be
about something

820
00:45:33.078 --> 00:45:35.558
that's going to get inevitably
worse and worse.

821
00:45:36.429 --> 00:45:38.736
We can do something
to turn this around.

822
00:45:40.694 --> 00:45:45.351
[MUSIC PLAYING]

823
00:45:57.058 --> 00:45:58.799
LUCY: Now I hadn't been
the first European

824
00:45:58.843 --> 00:45:59.931
to land in California.

825
00:46:01.367 --> 00:46:02.760
That would be
Juan Rodriguez Cabrillo.

826
00:46:02.977 --> 00:46:05.719
And it happened on
October 8th, 1542,

827
00:46:05.763 --> 00:46:08.896
When his expedition sailed up
towards what's now Los Angeles.

828
00:46:09.723 --> 00:46:12.552
And their first impression
was smoke.

829
00:46:12.595 --> 00:46:14.293
There was fire everywhere.

830
00:46:14.336 --> 00:46:16.338
And so they called
what's now Los Angeles,

831
00:46:16.382 --> 00:46:19.602
the "Bahia de los Fumos",
the "Bay of Smokes".

832
00:46:21.213 --> 00:46:22.562
History doesn't tell us
whether that was

833
00:46:22.605 --> 00:46:25.130
a natural wildfire
or a fire deliberately set

834
00:46:25.173 --> 00:46:27.567
by Native Americans,
whose practice it was

835
00:46:27.610 --> 00:46:29.264
to intentionally set fires.

836
00:46:29.917 --> 00:46:32.180
But we do know
that the Europeans left

837
00:46:32.224 --> 00:46:34.835
and they didn't come back
for 150 years.

838
00:46:34.879 --> 00:46:38.839
And when they did, they banned
those native burning practices.

839
00:46:38.883 --> 00:46:41.450
And anyway, barely any of them
wanted to live there

840
00:46:41.842 --> 00:46:45.454
until all that changed
one cold January morning

841
00:46:45.498 --> 00:46:47.108
in 1848

842
00:46:47.543 --> 00:46:51.025
when James Marshall discovered
gold in Sutters Mill

843
00:46:51.373 --> 00:46:53.375
which is about a 100 miles
from Paradise.

844
00:46:54.072 --> 00:46:56.204
And with that
the old American dream

845
00:46:56.248 --> 00:46:58.903
of Puritan men and women
content to accumulate

846
00:46:59.251 --> 00:47:00.992
a modest fortune was replaced

847
00:47:01.035 --> 00:47:03.559
by the golden dream
of instant wealth.

848
00:47:04.299 --> 00:47:07.563
One in a twinkling by audacity
and good luck.

849
00:47:08.956 --> 00:47:12.003
[CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING]LUCY: By 1849,
thousands were pouring in

850
00:47:12.046 --> 00:47:14.483
from around the world in search
of their golden dream.

851
00:47:14.875 --> 00:47:16.224
But it wouldn't end with gold.

852
00:47:16.268 --> 00:47:18.313
Hollywood would follow,
then aerospace,

853
00:47:18.923 --> 00:47:23.144
NASA, Silicon Valley, wine,
surfing, punk rock,

854
00:47:23.449 --> 00:47:26.147
the internet,
and the dot-com boom.

855
00:47:26.191 --> 00:47:28.671
California was hot, hot, hot.

856
00:47:28.715 --> 00:47:31.500
And if an occasional fire
did burn down some things,

857
00:47:31.761 --> 00:47:34.068
well, so what?
Put that thing out.

858
00:47:34.503 --> 00:47:37.376
Hire some firefighters
and buy some more AOL stock.

859
00:47:37.419 --> 00:47:39.117
Yes, we'll be right there,
thank you.

860
00:47:41.554 --> 00:47:43.425
LUCY: And then I learned about
another boom.

861
00:47:43.773 --> 00:47:46.124
Sort of boring,
sort of inscrutable.

862
00:47:46.167 --> 00:47:48.169
Sort of probably why
I hadn't thought of it before.

863
00:47:49.692 --> 00:47:51.738
The timber boom. Bear with me.

864
00:47:52.521 --> 00:47:54.610
ZEKE: In the early part
of the 20th century,

865
00:47:54.654 --> 00:47:56.743
big companies from Minnesota
and Michigan,

866
00:47:57.004 --> 00:47:59.964
that had made fortunes logging
all the Great North Woods.

867
00:48:00.007 --> 00:48:01.443
They had run out of trees to cut

868
00:48:01.922 --> 00:48:04.229
and so they built land empires
in California.

869
00:48:05.143 --> 00:48:07.449
After the timber barons
had acquired

870
00:48:07.493 --> 00:48:08.798
all the best timber land,

871
00:48:08.842 --> 00:48:09.887
there was suddenly
a great interest

872
00:48:10.452 --> 00:48:12.585
in protecting these investments

873
00:48:12.628 --> 00:48:15.544
and these corporate earnings
basically

874
00:48:15.980 --> 00:48:17.982
by getting the Forest Service
to put out all the fires.

875
00:48:20.767 --> 00:48:23.901
STEPHEN: In 1910,
three and a quarter
million acres burned.

876
00:48:24.162 --> 00:48:25.815
Seventy-eight firefighters
killed.

877
00:48:26.251 --> 00:48:28.731
So they were determined
that it would never happen again

878
00:48:28.775 --> 00:48:29.994
on their watch.

879
00:48:30.995 --> 00:48:32.822
MALCOLM: And so starting
in 1910,

880
00:48:32.866 --> 00:48:34.346
the Forest Services made it

881
00:48:34.389 --> 00:48:37.088
its primary mission
to be able to put out wildfire.

882
00:48:37.653 --> 00:48:40.395
They developed
the 10:00 a.m. policy

883
00:48:40.656 --> 00:48:42.832
that meant that as soon
as you had an ignition,

884
00:48:43.094 --> 00:48:45.357
the objective was to try
to put the fire out

885
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.054
before 10:00 a.m.
of the following day.

886
00:48:47.881 --> 00:48:50.971
And that is what we call,
"fire suppression."

887
00:48:52.016 --> 00:48:55.149
STEPHEN: And then the great
housing boom after World War II,

888
00:48:55.497 --> 00:48:57.935
suddenly there's a huge demand
for timber.

889
00:48:57.978 --> 00:48:59.937
You're creating
all kinds of slash.

890
00:49:00.198 --> 00:49:01.590
You're starting to have
fire problems

891
00:49:02.026 --> 00:49:03.897
and so a whole lot more
of fire protection

892
00:49:03.941 --> 00:49:07.857
was necessary.[SIRENS BLARING]

893
00:49:07.901 --> 00:49:09.424
ZEKE: So straight
to the 20th century,

894
00:49:09.642 --> 00:49:11.774
we've been trying to put out
as many fires as we could.

895
00:49:14.777 --> 00:49:17.215
We've got a narrative
that has been built for us

896
00:49:17.476 --> 00:49:21.088
by the media that casts
the firefighters as heroes

897
00:49:21.132 --> 00:49:23.395
and the suppression
as this kind of

898
00:49:23.438 --> 00:49:25.484
noble combat operation.

899
00:49:28.008 --> 00:49:30.750
And fires always cast
as the villain.

900
00:49:31.098 --> 00:49:34.014
SMOKEY BEAR: Hello,
I am Smokey Bear.

901
00:49:34.058 --> 00:49:36.669
Bambi's family lives here
in this forest, too.

902
00:49:36.930 --> 00:49:38.062
It's their home.

903
00:49:39.585 --> 00:49:41.674
But sometimes, people come here
and they get careless.

904
00:49:42.066 --> 00:49:44.546
PETE: We've had
all this Bambi-fambi stuff

905
00:49:44.590 --> 00:49:46.592
being put out to children,

906
00:49:46.635 --> 00:49:49.203
you know that,
"Don't encroach on the forest.

907
00:49:49.247 --> 00:49:51.553
Don't do anything. Fire is bad."

908
00:49:51.597 --> 00:49:55.470
Remember, only you can prevent
forest fires.

909
00:49:55.905 --> 00:49:57.168
HALSEY: So they've created

910
00:49:57.211 --> 00:49:59.648
this huge fire
industrial complex

911
00:49:59.909 --> 00:50:03.565
to address the whole problem,
because that's what we do.

912
00:50:04.262 --> 00:50:07.047
The solution to fire has been
to attack, attack, attack

913
00:50:07.091 --> 00:50:09.006
with these militaristic
strategies.

914
00:50:10.616 --> 00:50:14.054
And it makes us feel good
and everyone's a hero.

915
00:50:14.359 --> 00:50:15.882
But it's not working.

916
00:50:17.710 --> 00:50:19.016
FEMALE VOICE: Look, Ashley,
at all the smoke.

917
00:50:19.059 --> 00:50:20.104
MALE VOICE:
Look at the fire, Ashley.

918
00:50:21.583 --> 00:50:21.627
FEMALE VOICE:
See the dark smoke.ASHLEY: Yeah.

919
00:50:23.368 --> 00:50:24.543
LUCY: But we didn't seem to be
winning this war on fire.

920
00:50:24.586 --> 00:50:25.500
In fact, the battles
kept coming

921
00:50:26.849 --> 00:50:28.416
and right into town. [INDISTINCT CHATTER]

922
00:50:28.460 --> 00:50:31.724
LUCY: This is Oakland in 1991
when 25 people died.

923
00:50:32.203 --> 00:50:34.074
My God, I've never seen
anything like that?

924
00:50:35.597 --> 00:50:38.731
LUCY: By 2020, the entire
western United States

925
00:50:39.036 --> 00:50:40.863
was on fire at once.

926
00:50:41.168 --> 00:50:43.823
The sky was red from Seattle
to San Diego

927
00:50:43.866 --> 00:50:46.304
and it seemed like
the end times had come.

928
00:50:46.347 --> 00:50:47.870
MALE VOICE: Looks like doomsday.

929
00:50:47.914 --> 00:50:51.048
I mean you could tell something
is going horribly wrong.

930
00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:54.094
ZEKE: Rather than look at this
as a war on fire,

931
00:50:54.138 --> 00:50:55.617
we should call it
a war on nature,

932
00:50:55.922 --> 00:50:57.880
because that's what it is.

933
00:50:58.794 --> 00:50:59.969
STEPHEN: If we're at war
with fire,

934
00:51:00.013 --> 00:51:01.058
three things are gonna happen.

935
00:51:01.580 --> 00:51:03.147
We're gonna spend
a lot of money,

936
00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:04.670
we're gonna take a lot
of casualties

937
00:51:04.713 --> 00:51:05.932
and we're gonna lose.

938
00:51:07.542 --> 00:51:10.328
MALCOLM: When we think about
these large fire events,

939
00:51:10.371 --> 00:51:12.286
often say, "Oh my God,
it's an act of God.

940
00:51:12.330 --> 00:51:14.201
There's nothing we really
could have done about something

941
00:51:14.245 --> 00:51:17.204
with that kind of ferocity."
That's just not true.

942
00:51:17.465 --> 00:51:20.773
There are a hundred years
of decisions that people made

943
00:51:20.816 --> 00:51:23.341
to put out each one
of the small little fires.

944
00:51:23.863 --> 00:51:26.083
REPORTER:
Fires are quickly located
before they have a chance

945
00:51:26.126 --> 00:51:27.736
to spread over large areas.

946
00:51:28.346 --> 00:51:31.349
TRINA: If we haven't burned
in a fire-adapted landscape

947
00:51:31.392 --> 00:51:34.613
for years, you know
when fire comes along,

948
00:51:34.656 --> 00:51:36.658
it's going to blow up,
it's going to be voracious.

949
00:51:39.008 --> 00:51:40.706
I don't see this
as a natural disaster.

950
00:51:40.749 --> 00:51:42.273
I see this as human error.

951
00:51:47.104 --> 00:51:49.671
LUCY: Comparing photographs
makes it very clear.

952
00:51:50.455 --> 00:51:51.978
You can see the changes.

953
00:51:53.066 --> 00:51:55.547
You can see
what fire suppression has done.

954
00:51:56.156 --> 00:51:58.898
Forests just didn't use to be
this thick.

955
00:52:00.465 --> 00:52:03.772
PETE: In the past, it was more
of a savannah situation.

956
00:52:04.208 --> 00:52:06.862
Bigger trees,
farther spaced apart.

957
00:52:07.428 --> 00:52:09.865
There's more trees up there
than there's ever been.

958
00:52:09.909 --> 00:52:11.693
There's too many trees up there.

959
00:52:11.954 --> 00:52:14.261
Now you create a heat source
that you can't stop.

960
00:52:16.045 --> 00:52:17.438
LUCY: And it's not just
the forests

961
00:52:17.482 --> 00:52:19.092
of northern California
where the fuel loads

962
00:52:19.136 --> 00:52:20.572
have drastically changed.

963
00:52:21.616 --> 00:52:23.488
When we first came to Malibu,

964
00:52:23.792 --> 00:52:26.143
of course,
there were no trees anywhere.

965
00:52:26.186 --> 00:52:28.493
But people who move here think
they want to build

966
00:52:28.536 --> 00:52:30.495
a little tropical paradise
in the desert.

967
00:52:30.973 --> 00:52:33.150
People that aren't really paying
much attention.

968
00:52:33.759 --> 00:52:36.675
SAM: There was so much fuel,
the eucalyptus trees,

969
00:52:36.718 --> 00:52:38.111
The palm trees
that people planted,

970
00:52:38.155 --> 00:52:39.199
they're matchsticks.

971
00:52:41.723 --> 00:52:44.030
KRISTEN: 2020 was the biggest
fire season on record

972
00:52:44.073 --> 00:52:46.511
in California. And thousands

973
00:52:46.902 --> 00:52:49.905
of the ancient giant sequoia
perished in these fires.

974
00:52:49.949 --> 00:52:51.994
And these are trees
that survive through hundreds

975
00:52:52.038 --> 00:52:53.822
of wildfires in their lifetimes.

976
00:52:54.214 --> 00:52:56.695
They are the quintessential
fire-adapted species,

977
00:52:57.086 --> 00:52:58.827
so they have really thick bark.

978
00:52:59.263 --> 00:53:01.265
Their cones are cue
to open with fire

979
00:53:01.308 --> 00:53:04.616
and land
on that really rich seed bed

980
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:06.574
that is cleared of debris.

981
00:53:06.618 --> 00:53:08.707
And what we're finding now
is more and more

982
00:53:08.750 --> 00:53:10.970
of these ancients giants
are dying

983
00:53:11.013 --> 00:53:12.319
as a result of the fire.

984
00:53:12.624 --> 00:53:15.496
So clearly like, we are doing
something wrong.

985
00:53:16.976 --> 00:53:19.674
LUCY: A month after these fires
in Paradise and Malibu,

986
00:53:19.935 --> 00:53:23.374
the Trump Administration issued
an executive order mandating

987
00:53:23.417 --> 00:53:26.855
a major increase in logging
as a solution to the fires.

988
00:53:27.595 --> 00:53:29.945
Forest fires burn,
this isn't a new norm.

989
00:53:30.337 --> 00:53:31.643
You know, it can be managed.

990
00:53:33.122 --> 00:53:34.689
The only endangered species
happens to be a logger.

991
00:53:35.212 --> 00:53:36.604
LUCY: But I was confused.

992
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.738
Hadn't we learnt that California
had been logged?

993
00:53:40.956 --> 00:53:42.741
ZEKE: We had the Secretary
of Interior come out

994
00:53:42.784 --> 00:53:44.656
and say that a lack
of active land management

995
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:46.397
was to blame for fires
like the Camp Fire.

996
00:53:47.006 --> 00:53:49.922
As a geographer I can say
that the industrial timberland

997
00:53:49.965 --> 00:53:52.098
that the Camp Fire burned across
on its way to Paradise

998
00:53:52.446 --> 00:53:55.884
was managed about as intensely
as you can manage land.

999
00:53:55.928 --> 00:53:58.757
We've had a ton of logging
in the area that was burned

1000
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.020
by the Camp Fire
and it didn't save Paradise.

1001
00:54:02.282 --> 00:54:05.372
LUCY: So is it too much logging
or too little logging?

1002
00:54:05.851 --> 00:54:08.245
And could that have been
a factor in the Camp Fire?

1003
00:54:11.596 --> 00:54:15.774
There's their rail road
right there, Diamond Match.

1004
00:54:16.035 --> 00:54:18.080
They would cut down a tree
bigger than anything

1005
00:54:18.124 --> 00:54:20.169
you can see around here,
take it down there,

1006
00:54:20.213 --> 00:54:21.388
and make match matchsticks.

1007
00:54:22.868 --> 00:54:24.173
LUCY: That's exactly right.
Diamond Match was here.

1008
00:54:24.217 --> 00:54:25.566
It's literally made
of matchsticks this place.

1009
00:54:25.610 --> 00:54:26.959
Made of matchsticks!

1010
00:54:27.351 --> 00:54:29.483
Paradise started out
Diamond Match.

1011
00:54:30.267 --> 00:54:32.660
Diamond Match used to own
all the land around here

1012
00:54:33.487 --> 00:54:35.097
'til BiC put 'em
out of business.

1013
00:54:35.446 --> 00:54:36.795
That little lighter.

1014
00:54:36.838 --> 00:54:39.667
So they turned the land over
to Sierra Pacific.

1015
00:54:41.365 --> 00:54:42.975
LUCY: So I looked
at the satellite image

1016
00:54:43.018 --> 00:54:45.804
of the Camp Fire burning
after about four hours.

1017
00:54:47.022 --> 00:54:49.547
And I looked at how much
of that land was owned

1018
00:54:49.590 --> 00:54:51.679
by Sierra Pacific Industries.

1019
00:54:53.377 --> 00:54:54.465
And look...

1020
00:54:56.510 --> 00:54:57.642
it's a lot.

1021
00:54:59.383 --> 00:55:01.559
Sierra Pacific is owned
by one guy.

1022
00:55:01.907 --> 00:55:03.430
You know, this Red Emmerson.

1023
00:55:04.301 --> 00:55:06.346
He's the largest
private land owner

1024
00:55:06.390 --> 00:55:07.782
in the state of California.

1025
00:55:09.697 --> 00:55:10.698
LUCY: In fact, he's one
of the richest people
in the world,

1026
00:55:12.134 --> 00:55:12.352
but nobody seems
to have heard of him.

1027
00:55:13.701 --> 00:55:15.224
He's also
a huge Republican donor,

1028
00:55:15.268 --> 00:55:17.226
especially to members
of the agricultural committee

1029
00:55:17.270 --> 00:55:18.967
which oversees forestry.

1030
00:55:19.403 --> 00:55:22.319
He personally owns 1.9 percent
of California,

1031
00:55:22.667 --> 00:55:25.539
making him the third
largest land owner in the US

1032
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:28.237
And it turns out
Sierra Pacific Industries

1033
00:55:28.281 --> 00:55:29.717
is very controversial.

1034
00:55:29.978 --> 00:55:32.677
For one thing,
because their practices involve

1035
00:55:32.720 --> 00:55:33.852
clear-cutting.

1036
00:55:35.375 --> 00:55:37.638
What we like to do is select
an area of about 16 acres,

1037
00:55:38.073 --> 00:55:40.815
and cut down all the trees,
and essentially, start over.

1038
00:55:41.207 --> 00:55:43.644
Really more of a restoration
to the original forest.

1039
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:45.603
LUCY: But doesn't cutting down
all the trees

1040
00:55:45.646 --> 00:55:48.388
sound like the opposite
of an original forest?

1041
00:55:48.997 --> 00:55:50.912
I feel that forest
and fire ecology

1042
00:55:50.956 --> 00:55:52.000
is like opposite world.

1043
00:55:53.741 --> 00:55:56.918
What we're being told
by the logging industry is that

1044
00:55:56.962 --> 00:55:58.398
the more trees
you pull out of the forest,

1045
00:55:58.659 --> 00:56:00.400
the more
that's going to stop fires.

1046
00:56:00.705 --> 00:56:03.621
And the reality is
it's exactly the opposite.

1047
00:56:04.448 --> 00:56:06.058
ZEKE: The California Forest
Practice rules

1048
00:56:06.101 --> 00:56:08.495
require timber companies
to plant a lot of trees

1049
00:56:08.539 --> 00:56:09.670
when they clear-cut.

1050
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.457
The result is that now we have
enormously thick forests

1051
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:14.893
that we have to come and thin,

1052
00:56:14.936 --> 00:56:16.590
creating more
fire-prone conditions

1053
00:56:16.634 --> 00:56:18.984
in the woods by having slash,
and small branches,

1054
00:56:19.027 --> 00:56:20.638
and pine needles that have been
laying everywhere.

1055
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:25.991
CHAD: And the logging
is spreading invasive grasses

1056
00:56:26.034 --> 00:56:28.776
like cheatgrass
which is incredibly combustible

1057
00:56:29.037 --> 00:56:31.562
and spreads fire very quickly,
and very intensely.

1058
00:56:32.301 --> 00:56:33.607
ZEKE: And we're
really subsidizing

1059
00:56:33.651 --> 00:56:35.740
their un-fire safe
land management,

1060
00:56:35.783 --> 00:56:37.785
because we pay
for all their fire suppression.

1061
00:56:38.525 --> 00:56:40.092
The public pays
for the air tankers

1062
00:56:40.135 --> 00:56:42.050
that come and drop.
They pay for the bulldozers.

1063
00:56:42.094 --> 00:56:43.356
They pay for the inmate crews

1064
00:56:44.096 --> 00:56:46.272
and it's not really
costing SPI...

1065
00:56:47.752 --> 00:56:49.101
anything at all.

1066
00:56:50.058 --> 00:56:52.017
STEPHEN: All of these
mammoth mega fires,

1067
00:56:52.496 --> 00:56:54.846
it was the debris left
from logging

1068
00:56:55.237 --> 00:56:56.891
that powered those fires.

1069
00:56:58.197 --> 00:56:59.981
Logging and fire
do different things.

1070
00:57:00.329 --> 00:57:02.767
Logging takes the big stuff
and leaves the little.

1071
00:57:03.245 --> 00:57:05.204
Fires burns the little
and leaves the big.

1072
00:57:06.248 --> 00:57:07.554
If you have a campfire

1073
00:57:07.598 --> 00:57:09.730
and it's starting to die down,
what do you do?

1074
00:57:09.774 --> 00:57:12.298
You throw in pine needles,
you throw in kindling,

1075
00:57:12.341 --> 00:57:13.821
you throw in
all the small stuff,

1076
00:57:13.865 --> 00:57:15.519
you throw in a big chunk
of green wood

1077
00:57:15.562 --> 00:57:18.826
and the fire's gonna go out.[MUSIC PLAYING]

1078
00:57:29.707 --> 00:57:31.709
LUCY: And those trucks
are serious on these roads, huh?

1079
00:57:31.970 --> 00:57:34.407
Well, they're limited on time.

1080
00:57:34.755 --> 00:57:36.627
They're trying to make
three trips a day

1081
00:57:36.670 --> 00:57:39.281
to the saw mills
in various locations.

1082
00:57:39.978 --> 00:57:42.197
And they don't have a lot
of patience for the tourists.

1083
00:57:42.502 --> 00:57:44.765
LUCY: Yeah.Yeah. Uh...

1084
00:57:46.506 --> 00:57:48.682
These guys are on
their second trip right now.

1085
00:57:55.733 --> 00:57:58.257
And that direction is where
the Camp Fire came from.

1086
00:58:00.346 --> 00:58:02.740
Uh, it's all
Sierra Pacific's ground.

1087
00:58:03.523 --> 00:58:04.872
It was an inferno in here.

1088
00:58:07.135 --> 00:58:10.008
We're now in the heart
of the Camp Fire

1089
00:58:10.487 --> 00:58:13.141
in an area that was heavily
post-fire logged

1090
00:58:13.185 --> 00:58:16.318
after a huge fire
that occurred in 2008.

1091
00:58:16.362 --> 00:58:19.670
LUCY: These trees
are all like eight feet tall.

1092
00:58:19.713 --> 00:58:21.585
I mean that's like, it's just--This is a tree plantation.

1093
00:58:21.628 --> 00:58:23.500
This is our stop. This is it.LUCY: Let's get out.

1094
00:58:23.543 --> 00:58:25.110
I'm like in shock.

1095
00:58:25.153 --> 00:58:27.591
Yeah, in fact, you can see

1096
00:58:28.200 --> 00:58:31.159
the distance between
the little horizontal branches.

1097
00:58:31.420 --> 00:58:33.118
Those are called--
Every place where you got

1098
00:58:33.161 --> 00:58:35.294
horizontal branches coming out,
those are called "whirls".

1099
00:58:35.555 --> 00:58:38.819
Each section between the whirls
is a year of growth.

1100
00:58:38.863 --> 00:58:40.560
So these trees
are seven years old,

1101
00:58:40.604 --> 00:58:42.649
they're eight years old.
They're all young trees.

1102
00:58:42.693 --> 00:58:46.174
That are densely packed, planted
after the post-fire logging.

1103
00:58:46.697 --> 00:58:49.221
Not only is it
very damaging ecologically,

1104
00:58:49.264 --> 00:58:51.528
but it also means
that fires tend to burn hotter.

1105
00:58:51.571 --> 00:58:53.268
And that's
a very dangerous situation

1106
00:58:53.312 --> 00:58:54.574
when you've got a town nearby.

1107
00:58:56.097 --> 00:58:57.272
LUCY: How much reporting
has it been on the Camp Fire?

1108
00:58:57.316 --> 00:58:59.666
And I'm not hearing
this story anywhere.

1109
00:58:59.710 --> 00:59:01.929
LUCY: I couldn't help
but stare at that area

1110
00:59:01.973 --> 00:59:04.279
that burned so quickly
in the first four hours

1111
00:59:04.323 --> 00:59:05.411
of the Camp Fire.

1112
00:59:07.021 --> 00:59:08.414
Because I was realizing
all that area marked in black

1113
00:59:08.457 --> 00:59:10.111
had burned
in the last major fire

1114
00:59:10.155 --> 00:59:11.809
that happened
ten years previously

1115
00:59:11.852 --> 00:59:13.985
and subsequently,
had been post-fire logged.

1116
00:59:14.028 --> 00:59:16.074
And so these areas
marked in purple,

1117
00:59:16.117 --> 00:59:19.294
they were all Sierra Pacific's
young tree plantations.

1118
00:59:19.338 --> 00:59:22.384
All dense trees
less than ten years old.

1119
00:59:22.646 --> 00:59:24.952
You get fire into
those young plantations.

1120
00:59:25.257 --> 00:59:27.607
They get incinerated,
in fact, vaporized

1121
00:59:27.651 --> 00:59:28.826
is probably
a more accurate word.

1122
00:59:30.305 --> 00:59:31.698
And that's because
all the crowns are interlocked

1123
00:59:31.742 --> 00:59:33.047
and they're really close
to the ground.

1124
00:59:33.091 --> 00:59:34.658
So when a fire comes through,

1125
00:59:34.701 --> 00:59:36.573
it immediately just torches up
into one

1126
00:59:36.616 --> 00:59:38.444
and then spreads through
the whole thing.

1127
00:59:39.097 --> 00:59:42.317
As it pressed in this ridge,
it was in Concow in 15 minutes.

1128
00:59:42.579 --> 00:59:44.972
I don't think, with any of us,
have ever experienced

1129
00:59:45.016 --> 00:59:46.844
a wildfire that quick.

1130
00:59:47.496 --> 00:59:48.802
CHAD: That's incredibly fast.

1131
00:59:48.846 --> 00:59:50.935
It's the fastest forest fire
in California.

1132
00:59:51.718 --> 00:59:53.764
Fires just wick through
those areas

1133
00:59:54.112 --> 00:59:56.244
and like these things
are matchsticks.

1134
00:59:57.071 --> 00:59:59.160
This is the story
about the Camp Fire.

1135
00:59:59.465 --> 01:00:01.032
These post-fire
logging operations

1136
01:00:01.075 --> 01:00:03.034
are making fires burn
faster and hotter.

1137
01:00:03.382 --> 01:00:04.818
I mean, I'm not sure
how you could be

1138
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:07.168
more heavily logged
than what we're looking at here.

1139
01:00:07.212 --> 01:00:10.345
This is industrial forestry
at its kind of maximum.

1140
01:00:10.868 --> 01:00:14.001
And what we saw is fire burning
at its maximum.

1141
01:00:14.959 --> 01:00:16.743
PETE: One of my good friends
Richard Brown

1142
01:00:16.787 --> 01:00:18.527
you know,
passed away in this fire.

1143
01:00:19.267 --> 01:00:23.358
Red Emmerson is obviously
a very good businessman,

1144
01:00:23.663 --> 01:00:25.056
but these clear-cuts

1145
01:00:25.317 --> 01:00:27.362
are nothing more
than ignition points.

1146
01:00:28.189 --> 01:00:31.279
The fire spread through
this area right down there

1147
01:00:31.323 --> 01:00:33.673
toward Concow Lake
and the community of Concow,

1148
01:00:33.717 --> 01:00:36.067
where 12 people out of 300
were killed,

1149
01:00:36.371 --> 01:00:37.851
because the fire
just moved so fast

1150
01:00:37.895 --> 01:00:39.592
and there just wasn't time
to evacuate.

1151
01:00:40.027 --> 01:00:42.508
And then it kept going through
more post-fire logged areas

1152
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:44.989
very, very rapidly
up over the ridge

1153
01:00:45.032 --> 01:00:46.164
and into Paradise

1154
01:00:46.468 --> 01:00:47.948
where far more people
were killed.

1155
01:00:49.471 --> 01:00:52.431
LUCY: Every fire
from the tiniest BiC flame

1156
01:00:52.474 --> 01:00:55.347
to the sun itself
doesn't want to go out.

1157
01:00:55.608 --> 01:00:59.481
It tries its hardest
to stay alive as do we all.

1158
01:01:00.352 --> 01:01:03.485
Standing up there looking down
over that whole area

1159
01:01:03.529 --> 01:01:06.010
which I'd traveled around
talking to so many people,

1160
01:01:06.358 --> 01:01:08.403
hearing their stories
of so much suffering,

1161
01:01:08.447 --> 01:01:11.406
so much trauma, so much loss,
so much death,

1162
01:01:12.146 --> 01:01:14.888
it was so clear
that all our disruptions

1163
01:01:14.932 --> 01:01:17.630
of this landscape
were benefiting the fires

1164
01:01:18.109 --> 01:01:19.240
and not us.

1165
01:01:20.415 --> 01:01:26.117
[MUSIC PLAYING]

1166
01:01:28.859 --> 01:01:30.817
CALIN: How do you not feel
like you failed?

1167
01:01:32.123 --> 01:01:33.994
I mean it's all on the ground.

1168
01:01:37.215 --> 01:01:38.607
I'm a firefighter

1169
01:01:39.130 --> 01:01:41.393
and this fire
just destroyed this town.

1170
01:01:45.049 --> 01:01:50.532
How do I live with that feeling
of, "Did you do enough?"

1171
01:01:52.143 --> 01:01:54.188
FIREMAN: And a lot of firemen
that saw a lot of bad things

1172
01:01:54.232 --> 01:01:56.495
that day that are questioning
whether or not

1173
01:01:56.538 --> 01:01:58.323
they want to continue
their career as firemen.

1174
01:01:58.802 --> 01:02:00.151
BRAD: Yes.So.

1175
01:02:00.194 --> 01:02:01.979
BRAD: A lot of death,
a lot of people burned up.

1176
01:02:02.022 --> 01:02:04.590
Yeah.A lot of ugly, a lot of ugly.

1177
01:02:04.633 --> 01:02:07.767
MALE VOICE: Yes.
We had a lot of regular patients

1178
01:02:07.811 --> 01:02:09.856
that we went to
on a regular basis to help

1179
01:02:10.552 --> 01:02:12.250
through the past
ten, 15, 20 years

1180
01:02:12.293 --> 01:02:15.383
and then going to those homes
and finding their remains.

1181
01:02:15.427 --> 01:02:18.082
That's probably the worst.

1182
01:02:21.346 --> 01:02:24.479
Officer: We don't really
get that time to process
and mourn,

1183
01:02:24.523 --> 01:02:26.220
because the fire
is still burning.

1184
01:02:29.397 --> 01:02:30.747
JASON: "I could've saved
more people,

1185
01:02:30.790 --> 01:02:33.140
could've saved that house.
I could've done more.

1186
01:02:33.184 --> 01:02:34.751
I could've done more,"
you question yourself.

1187
01:02:36.753 --> 01:02:38.363
MATT: When you roll the incident
through your head

1188
01:02:38.406 --> 01:02:40.321
right before bed,
when your brain takes over,

1189
01:02:40.844 --> 01:02:42.106
and start saying,

1190
01:02:43.629 --> 01:02:45.283
"What if the winds
went this way that day?

1191
01:02:45.326 --> 01:02:47.024
What if I could have done...",
you know your rational side

1192
01:02:47.067 --> 01:02:48.634
has to come in and say,
"You would have died

1193
01:02:48.677 --> 01:02:49.809
if you had tried that

1194
01:02:51.202 --> 01:02:52.072
or you would have just
killed your crew."

1195
01:02:53.421 --> 01:02:54.509
I'll be re-playing
for a long time.

1196
01:03:02.866 --> 01:03:07.609
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1197
01:03:14.747 --> 01:03:16.357
BRAD: You enjoyed
all the company, ma?

1198
01:03:16.705 --> 01:03:17.794
Oh yeah.

1199
01:03:17.837 --> 01:03:21.798
You need some Cheerios,
spaghetti?

1200
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.192
Well, now then you hit it.You want spaghetti?

1201
01:03:25.932 --> 01:03:27.804
All right.
I'll get you some spaghetti.

1202
01:03:28.674 --> 01:03:29.675
Love you.

1203
01:03:30.981 --> 01:03:33.374
I sure love you, honey,
like with all of me.

1204
01:03:34.288 --> 01:03:37.074
There are 20 people living here.

1205
01:03:38.379 --> 01:03:40.381
From three before the fire.

1206
01:03:43.080 --> 01:03:45.082
The little trailer,
that was a donation.

1207
01:03:45.647 --> 01:03:48.346
Somebody said,
"Use that long as you want."

1208
01:03:48.389 --> 01:03:51.001
That one we bought cheap.
That one we bought cheap.

1209
01:03:51.305 --> 01:03:53.177
LUCY: How do you describe
what's going on here?

1210
01:03:54.352 --> 01:03:55.483
Small commune.

1211
01:03:56.789 --> 01:03:58.660
Small commune,
you know there's 20 of us.

1212
01:03:58.704 --> 01:04:00.184
I guess that qualifies.

1213
01:04:02.882 --> 01:04:04.275
LUCY: What do you--
What was that look for?

1214
01:04:04.318 --> 01:04:07.713
[LAUGHS] You know,
just that occasional, uh-oh.

1215
01:04:08.540 --> 01:04:10.194
LUCY: Why's that?I miss her.

1216
01:04:14.328 --> 01:04:16.548
I try not to think
about those things.

1217
01:04:17.984 --> 01:04:19.899
Think about
the depressing things,

1218
01:04:19.943 --> 01:04:21.118
this happens.

1219
01:04:21.858 --> 01:04:23.511
So I don't like
to think about it.

1220
01:04:27.080 --> 01:04:28.560
Stay on the other side.

1221
01:04:33.608 --> 01:04:36.350
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1222
01:04:36.394 --> 01:04:39.440
MALE VOICE: Okay, can you
please just give me
a moment here please.

1223
01:04:39.484 --> 01:04:41.268
And then we don't tone it down.

1224
01:04:41.312 --> 01:04:43.444
And find a direction,
so that we can move forward

1225
01:04:43.488 --> 01:04:45.359
this so that when the east end
of Malibu burns,

1226
01:04:45.403 --> 01:04:46.926
we can say, "We addressed it."

1227
01:04:46.970 --> 01:04:49.015
Because in the next couple
of years the east end of town

1228
01:04:49.059 --> 01:04:51.104
is gonna burn.[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1229
01:04:51.148 --> 01:04:52.671
REVA: Hi, everybody.
I'm Reva Feldman.

1230
01:04:52.714 --> 01:04:55.674
I am the city manager.[AUDIENCE BOOING]

1231
01:04:55.717 --> 01:04:58.503
FEMALE VOICE: Oh, let her talk
a minute, geez.

1232
01:04:59.330 --> 01:05:00.722
I didn't start the fire

1233
01:05:00.766 --> 01:05:02.855
and I am not responsible
for putting out the fire,

1234
01:05:02.899 --> 01:05:04.944
so you're booing
is inappropriate.

1235
01:05:05.292 --> 01:05:07.207
That's why the fire department
is here.

1236
01:05:07.251 --> 01:05:10.645
They're here on my request
to answer these questions.

1237
01:05:11.081 --> 01:05:12.560
ED: Everybody wants to blame

1238
01:05:12.604 --> 01:05:14.258
somebody for their house
burning down.

1239
01:05:15.215 --> 01:05:17.174
Well, they'll look
for anything to blame.

1240
01:05:19.654 --> 01:05:22.266
This is gonna get wild.

1241
01:05:22.309 --> 01:05:23.789
MALE VOICE: Well,
my son was right there.

1242
01:05:23.832 --> 01:05:25.269
We saved our house. I didn't...I don't--

1243
01:05:25.312 --> 01:05:26.966
...see one firefighter
the entire time.

1244
01:05:27.314 --> 01:05:29.186
There were more children
fighting the fire

1245
01:05:29.229 --> 01:05:31.057
than there were firefighters
in Malibu park.

1246
01:05:31.101 --> 01:05:32.885
Well, I can tell you this--FEMALE VOICE: I wanna know

1247
01:05:33.103 --> 01:05:34.974
who was giving those orders

1248
01:05:35.018 --> 01:05:36.454
specifically.The-- yeah--

1249
01:05:36.497 --> 01:05:38.804
FEMALE VOICE: There are 19 homes
on my street

1250
01:05:38.847 --> 01:05:41.024
and the adjacent street
burned to the ground.

1251
01:05:41.067 --> 01:05:44.897
What policemen, what policemen?[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

1252
01:05:44.941 --> 01:05:47.682
Easy and everybody here--

1253
01:05:47.726 --> 01:05:49.728
MALE VOICE 2:
I came up here in 1978.

1254
01:05:50.511 --> 01:05:53.166
My engine alone saved
eight houses on Bush Drive.

1255
01:05:53.471 --> 01:05:55.690
You see a fire,
you go put it out.

1256
01:05:55.734 --> 01:05:57.127
What happened to that?[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

1257
01:05:57.170 --> 01:05:58.780
What happened to that?

1258
01:06:00.826 --> 01:06:02.741
[AUDIENCE CHEERING]

1259
01:06:04.264 --> 01:06:08.834
It kind of disappointing,
hurtful, frustrating

1260
01:06:09.052 --> 01:06:11.619
when you hear this stuff
and know that you know,

1261
01:06:11.663 --> 01:06:13.143
I haven't seen my family
in eight days.

1262
01:06:13.578 --> 01:06:15.884
We threw everything
in the world at this.

1263
01:06:15.928 --> 01:06:18.365
But when you have
a 150 square miles,

1264
01:06:18.409 --> 01:06:20.715
you're not gonna get
a fire engine at every house.

1265
01:06:21.064 --> 01:06:23.544
There's 3,700 badge
sworn personnel

1266
01:06:23.588 --> 01:06:25.677
in the fire department
for LA County

1267
01:06:25.720 --> 01:06:27.984
and there wasn't one person
at home.

1268
01:06:28.506 --> 01:06:30.247
FIREFIGHER: One of the stages
of grief is anger.

1269
01:06:30.290 --> 01:06:32.771
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1270
01:06:32.814 --> 01:06:35.295
We just have to let people
go through those stages

1271
01:06:35.339 --> 01:06:38.864
however they need to to grieve
the loss of their home.

1272
01:06:40.518 --> 01:06:43.477
In northern California,
they blamed the trees
and environmental community.

1273
01:06:43.912 --> 01:06:45.436
And then in southern California,

1274
01:06:45.479 --> 01:06:47.655
they blamed the firefighters
and the environmental community.

1275
01:06:48.004 --> 01:06:49.483
I remember after the Cedar Fire,

1276
01:06:50.180 --> 01:06:52.399
they were literally
throwing rocks at fire engines.

1277
01:06:54.097 --> 01:06:56.229
In truth, the people who live
in these areas,

1278
01:06:56.273 --> 01:06:59.276
they won't even pay the taxes
to have more firefighters.

1279
01:06:59.319 --> 01:07:02.714
After the catastrophic fires
in 2003,

1280
01:07:02.757 --> 01:07:05.412
there was measure on the ballot
to increase taxes

1281
01:07:05.673 --> 01:07:08.328
to pay for more firefighters
was voted down.

1282
01:07:08.633 --> 01:07:11.375
And many people don't realize
who fights fires.

1283
01:07:11.418 --> 01:07:16.336
Forty percent
of the firefighting force
are prisoners.

1284
01:07:16.945 --> 01:07:19.470
So California for years
has basically been using

1285
01:07:19.731 --> 01:07:22.603
slave labor
to fight these fires.

1286
01:07:23.256 --> 01:07:24.997
There's just
so many firefighters.

1287
01:07:25.041 --> 01:07:26.042
You can't have--

1288
01:07:27.434 --> 01:07:29.045
there's just no way
they can save these communities.

1289
01:07:29.088 --> 01:07:30.872
It's not physically possible.

1290
01:07:30.916 --> 01:07:33.788
You can't do it
with these monster storms

1291
01:07:33.832 --> 01:07:35.964
and I still don't think
the public understands that.

1292
01:07:39.446 --> 01:07:40.926
Point fingers
in other directions

1293
01:07:40.969 --> 01:07:42.058
other than yourself.

1294
01:07:42.710 --> 01:07:43.972
It's what they're all doing.

1295
01:07:45.539 --> 01:07:46.845
LUCY: It came out with the fires
in Paradise and Malibu

1296
01:07:46.888 --> 01:07:48.716
had been started
by electric companies.

1297
01:07:49.152 --> 01:07:50.849
LYNNIE: Everybody saying,
"Oh, PG and E.

1298
01:07:50.892 --> 01:07:52.068
We should sue PG and E."

1299
01:07:53.373 --> 01:07:55.462
Let me tell you
if it weren't for PG and E,

1300
01:07:55.506 --> 01:07:56.985
there would be no Paradise.

1301
01:07:57.029 --> 01:08:00.119
They're tasked
with an impossible job of mus--

1302
01:08:00.163 --> 01:08:02.339
moving huge amounts
of electricity

1303
01:08:02.382 --> 01:08:03.818
through wilderness areas.

1304
01:08:04.167 --> 01:08:08.823
And when it's already dry,
static electricity from anything

1305
01:08:08.867 --> 01:08:11.783
can start a fire.
[MIMICS STATIC] Anything.

1306
01:08:15.003 --> 01:08:16.744
LUCY: Like this
gender reveal party

1307
01:08:16.788 --> 01:08:18.094
in the Arizona suburb,

1308
01:08:18.964 --> 01:08:21.445
the blue smoke lets you know
that it's a boy

1309
01:08:21.488 --> 01:08:24.012
and his father was fined
eight million dollars

1310
01:08:24.056 --> 01:08:27.103
for starting
this 47,000 acre fire.

1311
01:08:27.407 --> 01:08:29.017
MALE VOICE: Start packing up!FEMALE VOICE: Huh?

1312
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:30.541
MALE VOICE: Start packing up!

1313
01:08:32.151 --> 01:08:32.934
LUCY: So you're probably
thinking that that was the only

1314
01:08:32.978 --> 01:08:33.761
gender reveal party

1315
01:08:35.198 --> 01:08:36.242
that caused a major
multimillion-dollar fire.

1316
01:08:37.591 --> 01:08:39.071
But there's been another.
The El Dorado Fire.

1317
01:08:39.332 --> 01:08:41.073
And it killed a firefighter.

1318
01:08:41.552 --> 01:08:45.251
And in 2020, the record-breaking
mega fires were started by...

1319
01:08:45.295 --> 01:08:46.731
[THUNDER RUMBLES]

1320
01:08:46.774 --> 01:08:47.949
...dry lightning...

1321
01:08:49.212 --> 01:08:52.215
the weather,
who do you blame then?

1322
01:08:53.041 --> 01:08:55.043
With all talk about
the new normal,

1323
01:08:55.261 --> 01:08:56.741
I'm only realizing now

1324
01:08:56.784 --> 01:09:00.223
that the normal normal already
had a lot of fires.

1325
01:09:01.267 --> 01:09:02.660
Take Paradise.

1326
01:09:03.269 --> 01:09:05.532
In the 20 years
leading up to the Camp Fire,

1327
01:09:05.576 --> 01:09:07.969
there had been 13 major fires

1328
01:09:08.666 --> 01:09:10.407
and there've already been
two since,

1329
01:09:10.711 --> 01:09:13.236
including the 2020 Bear Fire
that burned

1330
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.587
right up to the campfire scar
and killed 16.

1331
01:09:17.849 --> 01:09:19.590
BRAD: My mom lost her house
as a child.

1332
01:09:20.330 --> 01:09:23.202
When we were children,
we lost our house twice.

1333
01:09:24.334 --> 01:09:27.424
Since I've been an adult,
I've lost my house twice.

1334
01:09:27.467 --> 01:09:28.947
All to fire.

1335
01:09:28.990 --> 01:09:30.862
MIKE: You look at Malibu
and Paradise.

1336
01:09:31.254 --> 01:09:33.995
Both these areas burn
all the time.

1337
01:09:34.561 --> 01:09:36.259
There's nothing new here.

1338
01:09:36.302 --> 01:09:38.130
ED HERLIHY: A rush
in forest fire that menaces

1339
01:09:38.174 --> 01:09:40.306
the swank Hollywood colony
of Malibu.

1340
01:09:40.654 --> 01:09:43.091
LUCY: I found films about
Malibu burning in the 1940s,

1341
01:09:43.614 --> 01:09:47.183
the 1950s, the 1960s,
and the 1970s.

1342
01:09:47.226 --> 01:09:49.141
REPORTER: Strong winds
was blowing it southern.

1343
01:09:49.185 --> 01:09:52.144
The houses in the path
of the fire stood no chance.

1344
01:09:52.753 --> 01:09:54.190
MALE VOICE: It was like a roar.

1345
01:09:54.233 --> 01:09:56.192
I never heard anything
like that before.

1346
01:09:56.235 --> 01:09:58.455
It sounded almost
maybe, war-like.

1347
01:10:00.021 --> 01:10:02.372
Millions-of-dollars-worth
of houses burnt.

1348
01:10:03.329 --> 01:10:06.289
REPORTER: The approach
of the Los Angeles
Fire department now

1349
01:10:06.332 --> 01:10:09.292
is to prevent any fire
however small.

1350
01:10:11.424 --> 01:10:14.297
GLENN: Yeah, I'm wondering
if the '61 fire

1351
01:10:14.340 --> 01:10:17.691
was a one in a million chance
that couldn't happen again.

1352
01:10:18.649 --> 01:10:22.000
Or could it be that someday
when the Santa Ana is blowing

1353
01:10:22.696 --> 01:10:24.698
and the brush is tinder-dry,

1354
01:10:25.177 --> 01:10:27.310
the whole story
would be repeated.

1355
01:10:27.745 --> 01:10:30.530
LUCY: Well, 57 fires have burned
through Malibu

1356
01:10:30.574 --> 01:10:32.053
since he asked that question.

1357
01:10:35.579 --> 01:10:37.581
And it's not just Paradise
and Malibu.

1358
01:10:37.885 --> 01:10:42.716
The Tubbs Fire in California's
Wine Country in 2017 killed 22.

1359
01:10:43.021 --> 01:10:44.805
And everyone was so shocked

1360
01:10:45.066 --> 01:10:46.242
that it had happened
where it had.

1361
01:10:47.678 --> 01:10:49.201
But a fire with exactly
the same footprint

1362
01:10:49.506 --> 01:10:51.334
had burned in 1964.

1363
01:10:51.377 --> 01:10:54.293
And what we should be shocked at
is that it hadn't stopped

1364
01:10:54.337 --> 01:10:56.426
the construction
of thousands of homes

1365
01:10:56.730 --> 01:10:58.341
right in the line of fire.

1366
01:10:59.124 --> 01:11:01.082
HALSEY: I don't understand
why you can have

1367
01:11:01.126 --> 01:11:03.650
literally hundreds of people
dying and homes destroyed,

1368
01:11:03.694 --> 01:11:05.565
and we keep going back
to what we're doing.

1369
01:11:05.609 --> 01:11:07.263
Actually what we do
is we do more

1370
01:11:07.306 --> 01:11:08.960
of what we've always been doing.

1371
01:11:09.917 --> 01:11:11.397
LUCY: Twenty-two people
were killed

1372
01:11:11.441 --> 01:11:14.835
in the 2018 debris flow
caused by the Thomas Fire.

1373
01:11:15.314 --> 01:11:17.751
And the Thomas Fire
came through here pretty hard.

1374
01:11:18.012 --> 01:11:20.406
LUCY: And I found
a Woody Guthrie song
from the '60s

1375
01:11:20.450 --> 01:11:22.321
and a John McPhee article
from the '80s

1376
01:11:22.365 --> 01:11:25.150
that could have described
the exact same incident.

1377
01:11:25.193 --> 01:11:27.892
So when people move in,
doesn't anyone mention to them

1378
01:11:27.935 --> 01:11:30.111
how the previous residents
were killed?

1379
01:11:30.155 --> 01:11:31.765
I mean how many deaths
do we have to have?

1380
01:11:31.809 --> 01:11:34.115
How many communities,
how many thousands of houses

1381
01:11:34.420 --> 01:11:37.118
does it go before we even have
a serious discussion.

1382
01:11:38.903 --> 01:11:40.861
LUCY: So let's do it.

1383
01:11:41.471 --> 01:11:43.124
Let's have that
serious discussion.

1384
01:11:44.082 --> 01:11:47.694
Between 40 and 50 percent
of all the new housing

1385
01:11:47.738 --> 01:11:50.218
in California
in the last 20 years

1386
01:11:50.262 --> 01:11:52.612
is built
in hazardous fire areas.

1387
01:11:55.136 --> 01:11:57.051
HALSEY: There's this funny term
called "the WUI".

1388
01:11:57.443 --> 01:12:00.011
Stands for
Wildland Urban Interface.

1389
01:12:00.751 --> 01:12:03.188
And WUI all it is is like
where we live

1390
01:12:03.231 --> 01:12:04.320
next to wildland areas.

1391
01:12:05.973 --> 01:12:07.279
LYNNIE: And society is grown
so much, it's pushing us

1392
01:12:07.323 --> 01:12:10.064
more and more
on the fringes of these areas.

1393
01:12:10.413 --> 01:12:12.328
You're gonna see
more catastrophic fires.

1394
01:12:12.371 --> 01:12:13.894
You're gonna see
more dead people.

1395
01:12:13.938 --> 01:12:15.940
This is only the beginning.LUCY: How come?

1396
01:12:15.983 --> 01:12:18.682
'Cause there's a 100,000 towns
like Paradise.

1397
01:12:20.336 --> 01:12:24.557
Right within driving distance.

1398
01:12:25.384 --> 01:12:28.082
This community I live in,
if you drive around here,

1399
01:12:28.126 --> 01:12:29.432
you can look--
you wanna know what Paradise

1400
01:12:29.475 --> 01:12:31.303
looked like before the fire,
drive on out to Sierra.

1401
01:12:31.695 --> 01:12:33.174
Right up the hill here.

1402
01:12:33.218 --> 01:12:35.612
Five thousand homes
and there's only one way out.

1403
01:12:36.003 --> 01:12:37.657
There's a 100,000 people
in this county

1404
01:12:37.701 --> 01:12:38.745
that would have to evacuate.

1405
01:12:40.268 --> 01:12:42.009
What if we're sitting here
talking about 3,700 fatalities?

1406
01:12:42.662 --> 01:12:44.882
We were that close to having
that type of incident.

1407
01:12:46.013 --> 01:12:47.450
I think about that quite a bit.

1408
01:12:47.928 --> 01:12:51.018
I've been in every major fire
in the state since 1990

1409
01:12:51.367 --> 01:12:53.281
and you know what,
I've never been to a community

1410
01:12:53.325 --> 01:12:54.892
that had that much
meticulous planning.

1411
01:12:55.153 --> 01:12:56.850
We had planned for fires

1412
01:12:56.894 --> 01:13:00.941
and a fire very similar
to this one happened in 2008

1413
01:13:01.246 --> 01:13:05.206
and we didn't have
a real good system

1414
01:13:05.250 --> 01:13:08.253
for evacuation.
So we came up with a new plan.

1415
01:13:08.688 --> 01:13:11.909
The town was divided into zones
with all the lanes

1416
01:13:11.952 --> 01:13:15.129
going out of town.
We practiced that.

1417
01:13:16.566 --> 01:13:19.133
To empty this place out
as quick as we did, I was--

1418
01:13:19.699 --> 01:13:21.875
I was pretty happy
with how that came out.

1419
01:13:22.615 --> 01:13:24.530
The plan worked,
the plan worked well.

1420
01:13:24.574 --> 01:13:25.836
And it's because
we practiced it.

1421
01:13:27.403 --> 01:13:31.189
I don't see how they can call
wholesale fucking abandon

1422
01:13:31.232 --> 01:13:33.104
running, screaming
down the street

1423
01:13:33.147 --> 01:13:35.367
leaving your car behind
a success.

1424
01:13:35.411 --> 01:13:36.629
They should be thankful

1425
01:13:36.673 --> 01:13:38.631
the whole fucking town
didn't die.

1426
01:13:39.632 --> 01:13:44.332
What we didn't anticipate
is evacuating the entire town

1427
01:13:44.376 --> 01:13:45.421
all at once.

1428
01:13:46.726 --> 01:13:49.033
It is not possible to build
a roadway system

1429
01:13:49.076 --> 01:13:51.557
that will take
your entire population

1430
01:13:51.601 --> 01:13:54.430
all at the same time.
No city has that.

1431
01:13:54.778 --> 01:13:57.911
Clearly, evacuation
of 30,000 people

1432
01:13:57.955 --> 01:14:00.784
during a wind-driven forest fire
is impossible.

1433
01:14:01.654 --> 01:14:04.352
Even just planning an evacuation
gives people

1434
01:14:04.396 --> 01:14:06.006
this kinda false sense
of security

1435
01:14:06.050 --> 01:14:07.051
that it's actually possible.

1436
01:14:08.835 --> 01:14:11.011
All these places,
it's their wind tunnels.

1437
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.536
They're very productive,
they grow lots of vegetation.

1438
01:14:14.798 --> 01:14:16.539
And then we go,
and we build a bunch of

1439
01:14:16.582 --> 01:14:18.323
little wood stick houses
and then we burn them

1440
01:14:18.366 --> 01:14:19.411
and people go, "Oh".

1441
01:14:20.978 --> 01:14:24.851
MIKE: Behind all this
is the lack of regional planning

1442
01:14:25.286 --> 01:14:27.985
to control development
into hazardous areas.

1443
01:14:30.117 --> 01:14:33.512
Even people who live
in developed neighborhoods

1444
01:14:33.556 --> 01:14:37.995
with green lawns not in sight
of any brush or chaparral

1445
01:14:38.038 --> 01:14:40.911
or forests at all.
Their neighborhoods can burn.

1446
01:14:42.303 --> 01:14:44.784
That's the new reality
and it frankly,

1447
01:14:44.828 --> 01:14:47.483
scares a lot of people to death
for good reason.

1448
01:14:48.266 --> 01:14:50.181
Could Los Angeles burn?

1449
01:14:50.573 --> 01:14:53.140
The urban fabric itself,
absolutely.

1450
01:14:53.184 --> 01:14:55.534
Easily imagine
a Laurel Canyon fire

1451
01:14:55.578 --> 01:14:59.669
that ended up on Hollywood
or Sunset Boulevard.

1452
01:15:00.496 --> 01:15:02.585
These areas
where fire's inevitable,

1453
01:15:03.455 --> 01:15:06.458
should be public lands.
They should be parks.

1454
01:15:08.286 --> 01:15:12.116
Back in the 1920s,
the most famous urban planners,

1455
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:14.510
the Olmsted Brothers came to LA

1456
01:15:14.771 --> 01:15:18.209
and did this comprehensive study
and they argued that

1457
01:15:18.470 --> 01:15:20.385
people who want to live
in the mountains,

1458
01:15:20.428 --> 01:15:23.867
they should live essentially
in cabins.

1459
01:15:24.911 --> 01:15:27.435
And structures
of very little value

1460
01:15:27.740 --> 01:15:30.177
and not keep
great possessions there.

1461
01:15:30.221 --> 01:15:32.702
Because fire is inevitable.

1462
01:15:34.530 --> 01:15:35.618
LUCY: Imagine that.

1463
01:15:37.184 --> 01:15:38.316
Carefree little cabins
that you could just let burn,

1464
01:15:39.056 --> 01:15:40.971
but a hundred years on
it's clear

1465
01:15:41.624 --> 01:15:43.495
that we didn't go
in that direction.

1466
01:15:43.539 --> 01:15:46.324
[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING,
CHEERING ]

1467
01:15:46.585 --> 01:15:49.370
MALE VOICE: Kim Kardashian
addressed her
and Kanye's decision

1468
01:15:49.414 --> 01:15:52.591
to hire private firefighters
to protect their home

1469
01:15:52.635 --> 01:15:54.332
from the wildfires.[HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING]

1470
01:15:54.375 --> 01:15:56.160
We were fortunate enough
and I know that

1471
01:15:56.203 --> 01:15:59.163
not everyone has this luxury
available to them,

1472
01:15:59.206 --> 01:16:01.513
but we were able to get
private firefighters.

1473
01:16:01.557 --> 01:16:03.210
A company that you can hire.

1474
01:16:03.515 --> 01:16:05.386
They saved our home,
and you know,

1475
01:16:05.430 --> 01:16:07.606
that was such a blessing
that we were able to do that.

1476
01:16:07.650 --> 01:16:09.042
There's a private
for everything.[CHUCKLES]

1477
01:16:09.086 --> 01:16:11.262
Right, you can get a...But I do--

1478
01:16:11.305 --> 01:16:13.481
it's just like a--
it's an interesting issue

1479
01:16:13.525 --> 01:16:15.658
that you know,
as climate change is happening,

1480
01:16:15.701 --> 01:16:17.311
as these issues are coming up,

1481
01:16:17.355 --> 01:16:19.618
is it going to be the people
with money

1482
01:16:19.662 --> 01:16:21.707
that are able to protect
their stuff?

1483
01:16:21.968 --> 01:16:24.580
BYOB. Bring Your Own Brigade.

1484
01:16:25.102 --> 01:16:28.409
Some people are wealthy enough
to have their own brigades.

1485
01:16:28.453 --> 01:16:30.890
And it seems to be growing
more and more every year.

1486
01:16:30.934 --> 01:16:32.588
There's more and more trucks
we see.

1487
01:16:32.849 --> 01:16:34.111
I mean I've gone
to a couple fires.

1488
01:16:34.154 --> 01:16:35.416
We pull up to our houses

1489
01:16:35.460 --> 01:16:39.246
and there's five other trucks
on scene

1490
01:16:39.290 --> 01:16:41.684
and none of 'em are from
the county or from the city.

1491
01:16:41.727 --> 01:16:43.076
They're all private.

1492
01:16:43.120 --> 01:16:44.817
In some cases,
homeowners will be out saying,

1493
01:16:44.861 --> 01:16:46.950
"Hey, you know,
fire's in my backyard,

1494
01:16:46.993 --> 01:16:48.908
but that's where we got that."

1495
01:16:49.779 --> 01:16:51.737
If you're not on list,
the bad rap.

1496
01:16:52.303 --> 01:16:55.132
So that's kind of the difference
between us and them.

1497
01:16:55.175 --> 01:16:57.134
You know, we're going
to a specific house

1498
01:16:57.177 --> 01:16:59.136
to where they are going
to all the houses.

1499
01:17:00.354 --> 01:17:02.618
HALSEY: So you're wondering
why do we approve buildings,

1500
01:17:02.661 --> 01:17:05.229
and homes, and communities
in places that are dangerous.

1501
01:17:05.795 --> 01:17:08.275
And all I can say
it's fundamentally about money.

1502
01:17:09.059 --> 01:17:11.452
DAVE: Right now a County that's
approving a new subdivision

1503
01:17:11.496 --> 01:17:12.628
in the Wildland Urban Interface,

1504
01:17:14.107 --> 01:17:15.108
they don't bear any liability
for that decision.

1505
01:17:16.806 --> 01:17:18.808
But when the fire comes,
the cost of that decision

1506
01:17:19.112 --> 01:17:21.941
is borne by the insurer,
by the families themselves,

1507
01:17:21.985 --> 01:17:25.031
by federal and state
emergency responders.

1508
01:17:25.075 --> 01:17:27.686
So we have this disconnect
between who bears the cost

1509
01:17:27.730 --> 01:17:30.820
of this decision and who,
ultimately makes this decision.

1510
01:17:31.298 --> 01:17:32.517
And it's a problem.

1511
01:17:34.171 --> 01:17:35.607
DON: Following the fire,
a lot of insurance companies

1512
01:17:35.651 --> 01:17:37.217
started sending
non-renewal notices out.

1513
01:17:37.696 --> 01:17:39.219
Not even within
the fire footprint,

1514
01:17:39.263 --> 01:17:41.439
I mean just anybody within
the Wildland Urban Interface.

1515
01:17:41.482 --> 01:17:43.093
And it's not--
I know it's not just me, it's--

1516
01:17:43.136 --> 01:17:44.660
it's other land owners,
we were facing

1517
01:17:44.703 --> 01:17:45.748
that same problem.

1518
01:17:47.314 --> 01:17:48.925
LUCY: After these fires,
insurance companies

1519
01:17:48.968 --> 01:17:51.144
were dropping customers so fast
that the state had to impose

1520
01:17:51.188 --> 01:17:55.671
a moratorium, forcing insurers
to stay insuring homes from fire

1521
01:17:55.714 --> 01:17:56.889
through 2021.

1522
01:17:58.456 --> 01:18:00.632
But after that when these homes
are no longer insurable,

1523
01:18:01.459 --> 01:18:02.808
what's going to happen?

1524
01:18:03.548 --> 01:18:04.941
DAVE: That's the path
that we're on.

1525
01:18:05.202 --> 01:18:08.205
It's a march towards a future
of uninsurability

1526
01:18:08.248 --> 01:18:09.685
in the Wildland Urban Interface.

1527
01:18:10.686 --> 01:18:12.470
We've got into a place
in our own trajectory

1528
01:18:12.513 --> 01:18:15.342
as human beings
where we're so confident

1529
01:18:15.386 --> 01:18:19.651
in our ability to control nature
and natural events.

1530
01:18:19.912 --> 01:18:23.307
And so we've gotta be
a little bit less hubristic.

1531
01:18:24.047 --> 01:18:26.963
CHAR: It's the city who I think
oughta be held responsible.

1532
01:18:27.224 --> 01:18:29.966
Homes were okayed
by the planning commission

1533
01:18:30.009 --> 01:18:32.838
and the zoning board. It's not
the fire station's fault.

1534
01:18:32.882 --> 01:18:34.100
It's city hall's fault.

1535
01:18:35.058 --> 01:18:36.624
FIREFIGHTER:
I will tell you this.

1536
01:18:36.668 --> 01:18:39.236
We're gonna do all that we can
to help rebuild Malibu.

1537
01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:40.759
But we do have fire codes

1538
01:18:40.803 --> 01:18:42.413
and we have fire codes
for a reason.

1539
01:18:43.022 --> 01:18:46.373
Because in the past,
people have died, number one,

1540
01:18:47.113 --> 01:18:48.245
and it's for your safety.

1541
01:18:49.768 --> 01:18:50.900
Chief, we've got
3.6 million dollars
in the ground

1542
01:18:50.943 --> 01:18:53.293
that we can't sell,
we can't use,

1543
01:18:53.337 --> 01:18:54.642
we can't do anything on.

1544
01:18:55.034 --> 01:18:56.122
This is a disaster.

1545
01:18:57.428 --> 01:18:59.473
Who's going to put
something into action now,

1546
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:01.737
so that we can build our home?

1547
01:19:03.608 --> 01:19:04.783
MALIBU COUNCIL MEMBER:
Is there any way
we could help our residents

1548
01:19:04.827 --> 01:19:06.567
get their homes rebuilt quicker?

1549
01:19:07.830 --> 01:19:10.136
ZEKE: I understand
that we need housing,

1550
01:19:10.615 --> 01:19:14.010
but to suspend all planning,
just so we can build

1551
01:19:14.053 --> 01:19:17.796
stuff faster,
that's fucking crazy.

1552
01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:20.364
We're just gonna burn
those houses up, you know

1553
01:19:20.407 --> 01:19:23.062
and we'll be doing this again
in 20 years.[SIREN WAILING]

1554
01:19:23.106 --> 01:19:25.717
CHAD: So we need to accept
that there's gonna be fire

1555
01:19:25.935 --> 01:19:29.852
and we need to understand that
the goal is to make sure that

1556
01:19:29.895 --> 01:19:32.419
when fire occurs,
not if but when,

1557
01:19:32.463 --> 01:19:35.814
that homes don't burn down.[SIRENS WAILING]

1558
01:19:35.858 --> 01:19:37.381
CHAD: What the science
is telling us

1559
01:19:37.424 --> 01:19:40.123
is that the only way
to protect homes

1560
01:19:40.427 --> 01:19:43.039
is to make the homes themselves
more fire-safe.

1561
01:19:44.040 --> 01:19:45.737
Most of the homes
that are burning

1562
01:19:45.781 --> 01:19:48.261
are not burning from
direct contact with flames.

1563
01:19:48.305 --> 01:19:51.438
They're burning from embers
that are floating on the winds.

1564
01:19:52.526 --> 01:19:54.746
STEPHEN: What you have
is a blizzard of sparks.

1565
01:19:54.790 --> 01:19:57.053
I think of it as a kind of
incendiary locust.

1566
01:19:57.096 --> 01:20:00.447
And you've got a million of 'em
swarming through this town

1567
01:20:00.491 --> 01:20:02.536
looking for some place
they can burn.

1568
01:20:02.798 --> 01:20:04.582
So if there are points
of vulnerability,

1569
01:20:04.625 --> 01:20:05.757
they are going to find 'em.

1570
01:20:07.150 --> 01:20:09.500
This thing was
a blazing inferno over here.

1571
01:20:11.545 --> 01:20:12.764
I was just sitting on the porch

1572
01:20:12.808 --> 01:20:14.461
smoking a cigarette,
watching it burn.

1573
01:20:14.984 --> 01:20:16.028
Poof.

1574
01:20:17.638 --> 01:20:20.119
I have five-eighths in sheetrock
and a inch of plaster on this.

1575
01:20:20.641 --> 01:20:23.514
These are baked enamel
steel frames.

1576
01:20:24.994 --> 01:20:27.910
And this is high pressure
sensitive glass,

1577
01:20:27.953 --> 01:20:29.737
just not quarter inch plate

1578
01:20:29.781 --> 01:20:33.524
it's three-eighths inch
heat-resisting glass.

1579
01:20:33.567 --> 01:20:35.482
I wasn't worried
about this house one bit.

1580
01:20:36.744 --> 01:20:37.789
There were two houses here.

1581
01:20:37.833 --> 01:20:39.878
This was a pyramid,
giant pyramid.

1582
01:20:40.705 --> 01:20:42.881
The pyramid just went...
[MIMICS COLLAPSING SOUND]

1583
01:20:43.360 --> 01:20:46.798
Over here.
Their dreams went up in smoke.

1584
01:20:48.234 --> 01:20:49.975
This is where the fire
came from.

1585
01:20:50.584 --> 01:20:54.110
You can see how close it came,
nothing to burn,

1586
01:20:54.153 --> 01:20:55.851
so the fire
just went that way.

1587
01:20:56.416 --> 01:20:58.114
Same on the other side.

1588
01:20:59.376 --> 01:21:02.335
These houses were
poorly designed.

1589
01:21:02.683 --> 01:21:07.819
Now let's have a mission house,
let's have a Tuscan villa,

1590
01:21:08.211 --> 01:21:09.865
that's what everybody wants now.

1591
01:21:10.430 --> 01:21:14.391
They forget about the eaves
and the little things

1592
01:21:14.434 --> 01:21:16.567
stick out that make it
a Tuscan villa.

1593
01:21:16.915 --> 01:21:18.090
That's the first thing
that goes.

1594
01:21:19.613 --> 01:21:20.788
It gets right up under the eave
and blows into the attic.

1595
01:21:22.529 --> 01:21:24.357
So that's why
these houses burn.

1596
01:21:25.141 --> 01:21:27.230
Basically, it's stupid houses.

1597
01:21:30.189 --> 01:21:31.756
CHAD: We gotta focus
on the homes.

1598
01:21:32.757 --> 01:21:34.237
Let me give you an example.

1599
01:21:34.280 --> 01:21:38.850
The La Tuna Fire of 2017,
this was a fire that was burning

1600
01:21:38.894 --> 01:21:41.374
as intensely as any fire
you can really imagine

1601
01:21:41.418 --> 01:21:44.595
and 1,400 homes
in the fire perimeter,

1602
01:21:45.030 --> 01:21:46.249
only five burned.

1603
01:21:46.945 --> 01:21:49.121
Why did only five burn
out of 1,400?

1604
01:21:49.165 --> 01:21:51.602
Reason is is that there were
annual requirements

1605
01:21:51.950 --> 01:21:53.473
to do defensible space.

1606
01:21:53.691 --> 01:21:55.823
Any time someone wants to do
a remodel of their house,

1607
01:21:55.867 --> 01:21:58.000
they say, "Sure, that's fine,
but now you're gonna have to

1608
01:21:58.043 --> 01:22:01.003
bring that old house up to date
with a fire safe code."

1609
01:22:01.873 --> 01:22:04.180
We have over 99 percent
home survival.

1610
01:22:04.223 --> 01:22:06.138
We should all stand up
and take notice of that.

1611
01:22:07.313 --> 01:22:10.447
JODY: In Paradise, in 2008
the Wildland Urban Interface

1612
01:22:10.490 --> 01:22:12.492
design standards
came into being.

1613
01:22:13.145 --> 01:22:15.278
Fifty-one percent
of the structures

1614
01:22:15.321 --> 01:22:17.845
built after 2008 survived.

1615
01:22:18.368 --> 01:22:22.894
Nine percent of the structures
built before 2008 survived.

1616
01:22:23.460 --> 01:22:26.854
And what that tells me is that
those building standards

1617
01:22:26.898 --> 01:22:28.552
make a difference.

1618
01:22:28.595 --> 01:22:30.946
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1619
01:22:34.123 --> 01:22:35.907
BARRY: Thank you mayor
and council members.

1620
01:22:36.821 --> 01:22:39.563
So this evening, we're gonna be
making a presentation

1621
01:22:39.606 --> 01:22:43.480
on recovery projects and ideas
for upgraded building standards.

1622
01:22:43.741 --> 01:22:45.351
We know what happened here.

1623
01:22:45.395 --> 01:22:47.005
Safety has to be
at the forefront

1624
01:22:47.049 --> 01:22:48.528
of every discussion we have.

1625
01:22:48.789 --> 01:22:51.009
The first thing has to do
with roof obstructions.

1626
01:22:51.053 --> 01:22:52.663
This is a pretty simple one.

1627
01:22:52.706 --> 01:22:54.795
It's important, because you do
have debris on your roofs here

1628
01:22:54.839 --> 01:22:58.234
and with embers coming down
they could ignite.

1629
01:22:59.061 --> 01:23:01.541
Gutters, we're saying
that they're prohibited

1630
01:23:01.585 --> 01:23:04.196
except over entries
and to prevent erosion.

1631
01:23:04.240 --> 01:23:06.242
And that gives you an awful lot
of flexibility.

1632
01:23:07.025 --> 01:23:09.636
Defensible space
and related to that

1633
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:12.683
is a five-foot setback
around any structure.

1634
01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:16.208
That 5 feet of fire break

1635
01:23:16.252 --> 01:23:18.819
is the most important area
around your home.

1636
01:23:20.125 --> 01:23:23.215
The council isn't taking
any action tonight.

1637
01:23:23.259 --> 01:23:27.176
We want to hear what you have
to say about these ideas.

1638
01:23:27.915 --> 01:23:30.396
Green, you put on things
you like.[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1639
01:23:30.831 --> 01:23:32.485
Red, you put on things
you don't like.

1640
01:23:32.529 --> 01:23:34.748
It'll help us to know
what you think.

1641
01:23:34.792 --> 01:23:35.880
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1642
01:23:40.928 --> 01:23:43.279
JIM:

1643
01:23:43.583 --> 01:23:45.498
Well, I am a believer
in the first five feet.

1644
01:23:46.108 --> 01:23:50.286
That is what research has shown
to be one of the most,

1645
01:23:50.329 --> 01:23:55.073
if not the most critical factor
in whether a home burns or not.

1646
01:24:10.915 --> 01:24:12.221
All right. All right.

1647
01:24:12.569 --> 01:24:14.266
FEMALE VOICE:

1648
01:24:18.314 --> 01:24:19.837
I thought that would be popular,

1649
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:22.666
because leaves do stick up there
in the gutters.

1650
01:24:22.709 --> 01:24:24.885
They are a fire hazard
and it costs nothing

1651
01:24:24.929 --> 01:24:26.496
not to have them.

1652
01:24:26.539 --> 01:24:28.063
LUCY: It was less than a year
before this

1653
01:24:28.106 --> 01:24:30.195
when 85 people were killed
in this town

1654
01:24:30.804 --> 01:24:33.633
and there's already been that
other fire that killed 16.

1655
01:24:34.112 --> 01:24:35.983
And there'll be more
fires soon.

1656
01:24:37.202 --> 01:24:40.901
But the proven safety measures,
they were not proving popular.

1657
01:24:42.207 --> 01:24:46.168
This town is going to be
so fucking expensive

1658
01:24:46.211 --> 01:24:48.083
to live in when this is done.

1659
01:24:48.344 --> 01:24:50.737
You're not gonna be able
to build anything here

1660
01:24:50.781 --> 01:24:52.913
that'll cost less than
half a million dollars.

1661
01:24:53.175 --> 01:24:54.132
You're in the forest.

1662
01:24:55.829 --> 01:24:57.483
If the forest catches on fire,
my ass is sorry you're burning.

1663
01:24:58.005 --> 01:25:01.096
[WHIRRING]

1664
01:25:04.447 --> 01:25:05.796
BRAD: You want a cookie?

1665
01:25:05.839 --> 01:25:07.885
Always good, ma.
Here you go. Bite.

1666
01:25:09.321 --> 01:25:10.975
That'll make you feel better
in a little bit, Mama.

1667
01:25:11.497 --> 01:25:13.108
Okay.All right.

1668
01:25:13.586 --> 01:25:16.023
The pot cookies and stuff
they help you better

1669
01:25:16.067 --> 01:25:18.504
than anything, huh?That's right.

1670
01:25:18.852 --> 01:25:22.900
He was gonna put me on
some kind of a pill

1671
01:25:23.379 --> 01:25:27.339
and I says, "Doctor Alfteen,
you know I don't take those."

1672
01:25:28.340 --> 01:25:31.822
He says, "Well, have you ever
tried marijuana?"

1673
01:25:32.214 --> 01:25:34.999
He says, "You know,
it might do you some good."

1674
01:25:35.826 --> 01:25:39.090
When I told Brad that
Brad had made sure

1675
01:25:39.134 --> 01:25:41.223
I got started on marijuana.

1676
01:25:41.745 --> 01:25:44.530
And it worked.Oh my, yes.

1677
01:25:50.841 --> 01:25:53.148
LUCY: There's a piece of trivia
about Paradise.

1678
01:25:53.887 --> 01:25:56.847
It is the largest municipality
without a sewer

1679
01:25:58.109 --> 01:26:00.894
and I've been wondering
will we ever get it together

1680
01:26:00.938 --> 01:26:03.419
to deal with our own crap?[SIREN BLARING]

1681
01:26:04.333 --> 01:26:08.163
ZEKE: It' just like kinda
Western anarchy that reaches

1682
01:26:08.206 --> 01:26:11.166
a scale of complexity
where the system
no longer works.

1683
01:26:11.862 --> 01:26:13.690
Paradise strong![TRUCK ENGINE REVVING]

1684
01:26:13.733 --> 01:26:16.083
[TRUCK HORN HONKING][INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1685
01:26:16.127 --> 01:26:17.520
TRINA: It was the gold rush

1686
01:26:17.998 --> 01:26:19.826
and the mining
and extraction eras.

1687
01:26:20.610 --> 01:26:23.047
A lot of the economy
of California was built on that

1688
01:26:23.090 --> 01:26:26.050
grab and go. Get as much
as we can and then get out.

1689
01:26:27.878 --> 01:26:29.662
STEPHEN: We know
how to keep houses from burning.

1690
01:26:29.706 --> 01:26:31.186
We solved the urban fires.[CROWD CHEERING]

1691
01:26:31.577 --> 01:26:33.492
STEPHEN: Yeah, you can do
everything for your house,

1692
01:26:33.536 --> 01:26:35.277
but if your neighbors
don't do it for theirs,

1693
01:26:35.320 --> 01:26:36.539
you're still at risk.

1694
01:26:38.062 --> 01:26:40.673
Kind of a libertarian contract
that Americans think

1695
01:26:40.717 --> 01:26:42.849
they would prefer
if it breaks down.

1696
01:26:43.894 --> 01:26:47.114
Fire is that other contagion,
wearing masks is like

1697
01:26:47.158 --> 01:26:50.466
controlling embers,
aerosol dispersion,

1698
01:26:50.509 --> 01:26:53.295
defensible space, well,
it's social distancing.

1699
01:26:53.338 --> 01:26:55.645
The difference is that
we don't have a vaccine

1700
01:26:55.688 --> 01:26:57.212
that will eliminate fire.

1701
01:26:57.516 --> 01:27:00.215
Herd immunity comes
at a community level

1702
01:27:00.258 --> 01:27:03.479
when you have enough people
to provide protection.

1703
01:27:05.176 --> 01:27:06.960
[CROWD SCREAMING]

1704
01:27:07.004 --> 01:27:09.180
MALE VOICE: I totally understand
why people want to rebuild

1705
01:27:09.572 --> 01:27:11.051
but I just have this sense
of dread

1706
01:27:11.661 --> 01:27:13.271
that they're gonna
lose it again.

1707
01:27:13.315 --> 01:27:16.361
This hesitancy to tell people
who are in crisis that

1708
01:27:16.405 --> 01:27:18.145
we're gonna put some obstacles
in your way.

1709
01:27:18.929 --> 01:27:21.758
It's not really doing people
any favors in the long run.

1710
01:27:23.368 --> 01:27:25.457
LUCY: Maybe because I grew up
in Europe,

1711
01:27:25.762 --> 01:27:30.070
ideas like American liberty
at all costs, manifest destiny,

1712
01:27:30.114 --> 01:27:31.681
self-immolation under the mantra

1713
01:27:31.724 --> 01:27:35.902
of personal freedom seem
insurmountably foreign to me.

1714
01:27:39.123 --> 01:27:40.255
[GUNSHOTS]

1715
01:27:42.518 --> 01:27:44.433
[BUZZING]

1716
01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:55.226
BRAD: Get out the way
when that happens.

1717
01:27:56.271 --> 01:27:58.273
Got Mom's 90th birthday today.

1718
01:27:58.316 --> 01:27:59.665
Smile, Mama.

1719
01:28:00.797 --> 01:28:02.189
You look so pretty.

1720
01:28:02.233 --> 01:28:04.104
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1721
01:28:04.366 --> 01:28:06.846
MIC: The drinks are flowing.Ah.

1722
01:28:06.890 --> 01:28:09.284
The music's rolling inside
and out.

1723
01:28:09.327 --> 01:28:10.546
Oh good.

1724
01:28:11.590 --> 01:28:14.463
Everything's good, Mom.Wonderful.

1725
01:28:15.028 --> 01:28:16.552
Usually when she doesn't know
what she wants.

1726
01:28:16.595 --> 01:28:17.727
She wants a cookie.

1727
01:28:18.467 --> 01:28:20.077
Just give her half of one.

1728
01:28:21.296 --> 01:28:22.514
She said she was uncomfortable.

1729
01:28:22.775 --> 01:28:24.386
Well, that'll help, yeah.

1730
01:28:24.429 --> 01:28:26.039
RO: You know,
it's a day by day thing

1731
01:28:26.083 --> 01:28:27.606
and some days
are better than others.

1732
01:28:27.650 --> 01:28:28.999
But you know,
when we have something

1733
01:28:29.042 --> 01:28:30.609
to look forward to like
Mom turning 90.

1734
01:28:31.175 --> 01:28:32.524
FEMALE VOICE:
Happy birthday, Nan.

1735
01:28:32.568 --> 01:28:34.352
Hey, thank you, sweetheart.

1736
01:28:34.396 --> 01:28:35.614
All right, last bite.

1737
01:28:37.137 --> 01:28:39.618
I was all, "You already got
your cookie for the day,"

1738
01:28:39.662 --> 01:28:42.012
she's like, "I hope that wasn't
the last one for the day."

1739
01:28:42.055 --> 01:28:44.536
I'm like, "It wasn't."Geez, Ma.

1740
01:28:45.363 --> 01:28:48.148
Should I have a shot for you?Go ahead.

1741
01:28:50.368 --> 01:28:51.804
My house burned, of course.

1742
01:28:52.196 --> 01:28:55.112
Now I live here at Bradopolis.

1743
01:28:55.808 --> 01:28:58.115
[CHUCKLES] Yeah, I got trailer
through insurance.

1744
01:29:01.988 --> 01:29:03.468
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1745
01:29:03.947 --> 01:29:05.252
You don't regret any of it,
do you?

1746
01:29:05.296 --> 01:29:07.429
NORMA: No.Right on, Mama.

1747
01:29:07.777 --> 01:29:09.213
You know,
I love talking to you, Ma.

1748
01:29:10.301 --> 01:29:11.346
Up you go.

1749
01:29:12.956 --> 01:29:16.089
I have had three cookies.

1750
01:29:16.481 --> 01:29:18.918
Are you okay?Oh yeah.

1751
01:29:19.266 --> 01:29:21.834
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1752
01:29:33.498 --> 01:29:35.065
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1753
01:29:36.849 --> 01:29:38.808
JODY: Welcome to the meeting
of the Paradise Town Council.

1754
01:29:39.374 --> 01:29:41.201
It's great to see
all of you here.

1755
01:29:41.767 --> 01:29:43.508
I think you're all here for

1756
01:29:43.552 --> 01:29:46.163
that's the building code
changes.

1757
01:29:47.207 --> 01:29:51.298
We intend to vote on each
potential change individually

1758
01:29:51.734 --> 01:29:54.476
And we're first gonna start
with public comment.

1759
01:29:57.043 --> 01:29:58.436
A lot of these things
are taking away

1760
01:29:58.480 --> 01:30:00.438
from individuality
of the town.

1761
01:30:00.482 --> 01:30:02.484
You're telling me
if I can't have bark,

1762
01:30:02.527 --> 01:30:06.401
and some plants,
and rose plants around my house.

1763
01:30:06.749 --> 01:30:08.620
I think I understand now
what you want.

1764
01:30:08.664 --> 01:30:09.882
I was thinking about it.

1765
01:30:09.926 --> 01:30:11.710
We could all buy
a hot water heater

1766
01:30:11.754 --> 01:30:13.016
and cut a door in it

1767
01:30:13.059 --> 01:30:15.540
and we'd have
an insulated fireproof house.

1768
01:30:15.932 --> 01:30:18.891
FEMALE VOICE: The new homes
will already be more fire-safe
than before.

1769
01:30:19.326 --> 01:30:22.808
I didn't hear people begging
for higher building codes.

1770
01:30:23.679 --> 01:30:26.072
Please let people return
and build the homes
they want to build.

1771
01:30:26.116 --> 01:30:28.640
A majority of people,
I have dealt with

1772
01:30:28.945 --> 01:30:31.904
are under insured
if insured at all.

1773
01:30:32.688 --> 01:30:33.950
You have a lot of people

1774
01:30:33.993 --> 01:30:36.169
who may not be able
to come back.

1775
01:30:36.953 --> 01:30:41.174
That would reduce this town's
property tax revenue

1776
01:30:41.653 --> 01:30:43.481
by a tremendous amount.

1777
01:30:43.525 --> 01:30:45.831
That would affect
your police department,

1778
01:30:45.875 --> 01:30:48.443
your fire department,
and your schools.

1779
01:30:49.792 --> 01:30:52.577
FEMALE VOICE 2: Paradise
is an individualistic town

1780
01:30:52.838 --> 01:30:55.188
that's part of the charm
and the quirkiness

1781
01:30:55.232 --> 01:30:58.104
and we don't need
consistency or uniformity.

1782
01:30:58.453 --> 01:31:00.933
FEMALE VOICE 3: So shame on you
and don't price out

1783
01:31:00.977 --> 01:31:03.501
a large percentage
of us Paradise residents

1784
01:31:03.545 --> 01:31:05.634
who love the ridge
and we want to come home.

1785
01:31:05.895 --> 01:31:08.071
We don't need to be
some kind of experiment

1786
01:31:08.114 --> 01:31:10.203
for the rest of the world.
Let people come home.

1787
01:31:10.247 --> 01:31:12.858
'Cause if people come home,
we all didn't go away.

1788
01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:17.820
[AUDIENCE CHEERING]

1789
01:31:18.081 --> 01:31:21.388
And we that, we're gonna move
onto the presentation.

1790
01:31:23.129 --> 01:31:25.044
Good evening, council members
and mayor.

1791
01:31:25.480 --> 01:31:28.221
I think it's important
as we report, you remember

1792
01:31:28.265 --> 01:31:31.181
that how homes were destroyed
and why homes were destroyed.

1793
01:31:31.790 --> 01:31:34.401
We're gonna show a short video
of what we experienced that day.

1794
01:31:36.229 --> 01:31:38.754
As you watch if you can see
how important

1795
01:31:38.797 --> 01:31:42.409
some of the safety factors
that will be discussed tonight,

1796
01:31:42.453 --> 01:31:44.455
how important they are
on survivability

1797
01:31:44.499 --> 01:31:45.500
of the structure.

1798
01:31:46.892 --> 01:31:48.590
So for those of you that said
that's unrealistic,

1799
01:31:48.633 --> 01:31:51.462
because it's in a laboratory,
I have a quick clip

1800
01:31:51.506 --> 01:31:52.768
from one of our employees.

1801
01:31:52.811 --> 01:31:54.726
This is in Paradise at 9:45
in the morning.

1802
01:31:57.294 --> 01:31:59.644
I had wanted to make sure that
it's fresh in everybody's mind

1803
01:31:59.688 --> 01:32:02.429
exactly what took place
and there has to be

1804
01:32:02.734 --> 01:32:05.868
a little bit of responsibility
of that resident making

1805
01:32:05.911 --> 01:32:09.567
their structure safe
for themselves, their neighbor,

1806
01:32:09.872 --> 01:32:11.047
and the community.

1807
01:32:12.483 --> 01:32:16.574
Some of this has to go back
on you and I.

1808
01:32:16.618 --> 01:32:18.794
You can't say,
I'm gonna move to the foothills,

1809
01:32:18.837 --> 01:32:20.622
where there's trees, brush,
and grass

1810
01:32:21.013 --> 01:32:23.276
and not know there's a potential
for wildfire.

1811
01:32:23.320 --> 01:32:25.235
You just-- And not know
that you're gonna have to do

1812
01:32:25.278 --> 01:32:27.759
something that increase
the likelihood of you

1813
01:32:27.803 --> 01:32:30.849
and your structure surviving
if one breaks out.

1814
01:32:31.110 --> 01:32:32.938
If your home doesn't burn down
and your neighbor's home

1815
01:32:32.982 --> 01:32:34.592
doesn't burn down,
their neighbor home

1816
01:32:34.636 --> 01:32:37.160
doesn't burn down,
evacuation route stays open,

1817
01:32:37.203 --> 01:32:38.640
you can get out of town faster.

1818
01:32:39.031 --> 01:32:40.685
You know,
there's a compound in effect

1819
01:32:40.729 --> 01:32:43.601
to good development standards.

1820
01:32:44.646 --> 01:32:45.734
Any questions?

1821
01:32:46.517 --> 01:32:49.955
If we could do only one thing

1822
01:32:50.347 --> 01:32:52.610
to be more fire safe,

1823
01:32:52.654 --> 01:32:54.656
what would
your recommendation be?

1824
01:32:55.308 --> 01:32:57.659
That five-foot area
around your house

1825
01:32:57.702 --> 01:32:58.747
is extremely important.

1826
01:33:00.139 --> 01:33:01.619
That would be the number thing
out of all of this

1827
01:33:01.663 --> 01:33:03.969
that I would say that would
defend your home the best

1828
01:33:04.013 --> 01:33:05.580
and have the most impact.

1829
01:33:06.145 --> 01:33:07.407
FEMALE VOICE:
Thank you very much.

1830
01:33:08.060 --> 01:33:10.628
And now,
we'll move to item number one.

1831
01:33:10.672 --> 01:33:13.109
Interior sprinklers required
in all homes.

1832
01:33:13.762 --> 01:33:15.590
Crowder?No.

1833
01:33:15.633 --> 01:33:16.982
FEMALE VOICE: Schuster?No.

1834
01:33:17.026 --> 01:33:18.375
FEMALE VOICE: Zuccolillo?No.

1835
01:33:18.636 --> 01:33:20.595
FEMALE VOICE: And Mayor Jones?No.

1836
01:33:20.986 --> 01:33:22.988
FEMALE VOICE: Roof obstruction
shall not allow

1837
01:33:23.032 --> 01:33:24.642
for the collection of debris.

1838
01:33:24.686 --> 01:33:26.252
Does anyone want that one?

1839
01:33:26.601 --> 01:33:28.646
That one is no also.

1840
01:33:28.690 --> 01:33:33.477
Minimum 10-inch roof overhang
required, direction is also no.

1841
01:33:34.130 --> 01:33:38.700
Garage or storage shed required.
So that one is a no also.

1842
01:33:39.222 --> 01:33:41.703
LUCY: It was illuminating
to be there in the front row.

1843
01:33:41.746 --> 01:33:43.574
That's me in the white jacket.

1844
01:33:43.922 --> 01:33:45.794
What a civics lesson.

1845
01:33:45.837 --> 01:33:49.275
If this is a process for making
change to keep us all alive,

1846
01:33:49.536 --> 01:33:50.973
I think we're in trouble.

1847
01:33:51.016 --> 01:33:53.410
Because these are the proposals
that the council members

1848
01:33:53.453 --> 01:33:55.586
had told me they thought
would save lives.

1849
01:33:55.630 --> 01:33:58.850
And here they are voting
them down one by one.

1850
01:33:59.111 --> 01:34:01.157
This is how hard it is
to make a change.

1851
01:34:02.114 --> 01:34:04.639
And here comes the most
important proposal,

1852
01:34:05.248 --> 01:34:07.859
five feet of defensible space
around the home.

1853
01:34:08.120 --> 01:34:10.079
JODY: So this is a different way
of looking

1854
01:34:10.514 --> 01:34:12.559
at what our houses
would look like.

1855
01:34:12.908 --> 01:34:15.388
It's not the way we were raised

1856
01:34:15.432 --> 01:34:18.348
or the way we saw
our houses before,

1857
01:34:18.870 --> 01:34:22.874
but it's another one that
doesn't cost extra money

1858
01:34:22.918 --> 01:34:25.355
and makes
a huge, huge difference.

1859
01:34:25.703 --> 01:34:27.705
FEMALE VOICE: Roll call vote.
Vice mayor Bolin?

1860
01:34:27.749 --> 01:34:28.837
GREG: Aye

1861
01:34:29.098 --> 01:34:30.273
FEMALE VOICE:
Council member Crowder?

1862
01:34:31.709 --> 01:34:36.366
I would like to see
some sort of greenery allowed.

1863
01:34:37.280 --> 01:34:38.716
STEVE: You have people
who go around and know

1864
01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:41.023
a fire-resistant plant
from a non-fire resistant plant.

1865
01:34:41.066 --> 01:34:42.546
It's--MALE VOICE:

1866
01:34:42.589 --> 01:34:44.417
STEVE: I just don't know
that that's possible.

1867
01:34:44.766 --> 01:34:46.158
I don't get it.

1868
01:34:46.202 --> 01:34:47.986
JOHN: Remember,
non-combustible doesn't mean

1869
01:34:48.030 --> 01:34:49.509
you can't have green grass.

1870
01:34:49.553 --> 01:34:51.686
You just have
non-combustible material

1871
01:34:51.729 --> 01:34:53.470
up against your house
within five feet.

1872
01:34:53.513 --> 01:34:54.906
That's the concept behind it.

1873
01:34:59.171 --> 01:35:01.217
Well, I agree
with the majority of it,

1874
01:35:01.260 --> 01:35:06.091
but I'm thinking
there's gonna be

1875
01:35:06.918 --> 01:35:10.705
issues and there's gonna be
enforcement issues with the--

1876
01:35:10.748 --> 01:35:12.184
with the plants.

1877
01:35:12.228 --> 01:35:15.535
So I'm gonna say no.

1878
01:35:15.797 --> 01:35:17.494
FEMALE VOICE:
Council member Schuster?

1879
01:35:18.147 --> 01:35:21.106
I have to say no as proposed.

1880
01:35:21.585 --> 01:35:22.934
FEMALE VOICE:
Council member Zuccolillo?

1881
01:35:22.978 --> 01:35:24.501
MIKE: I don't know think
we have the plant police,

1882
01:35:24.849 --> 01:35:27.156
going around and you know,
measuring people's plants

1883
01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:29.985
off their buildings.
In its current form, I'd say no.

1884
01:35:30.420 --> 01:35:33.075
JODY: Okay. It fails.[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

1885
01:35:33.815 --> 01:35:36.034
Thank you all
for all of your input.

1886
01:35:36.426 --> 01:35:38.558
Have a good evening.
We're adjourned.

1887
01:35:38.602 --> 01:35:40.735
[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

1888
01:35:41.170 --> 01:35:43.694
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

1889
01:35:48.264 --> 01:35:50.222
LUCY: So this is
what the fires reveal.

1890
01:35:51.354 --> 01:35:54.836
Just as with climate change,
we know what the problems are,

1891
01:35:55.575 --> 01:35:57.621
we know what the solutions are,

1892
01:35:58.274 --> 01:36:00.972
but we're not getting it
together to implement them.

1893
01:36:03.148 --> 01:36:05.237
MIKE:
Fire is a natural light force.

1894
01:36:06.064 --> 01:36:08.806
But the mass fires,
the fire storms that we've seen,

1895
01:36:08.850 --> 01:36:09.938
they changed this.

1896
01:36:11.330 --> 01:36:12.679
We're headed off in a direction
we don't understand.

1897
01:36:12.941 --> 01:36:14.856
We're like passengers
on a runaway train

1898
01:36:14.899 --> 01:36:16.031
who doesn't know
where the tracks

1899
01:36:16.074 --> 01:36:17.597
actually lay ahead.

1900
01:36:20.513 --> 01:36:23.821
LUCY: In the Christian
imagination, hell is fire pits.

1901
01:36:23.865 --> 01:36:25.431
It's being burned alive.

1902
01:36:26.128 --> 01:36:29.174
These are the very worst things
we could imagine.

1903
01:36:29.871 --> 01:36:31.873
When we came up with the idea
of hell,

1904
01:36:31.916 --> 01:36:33.962
it was fire that we imagined

1905
01:36:34.701 --> 01:36:36.791
and that's what we're creating
for ourselves.

1906
01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:40.795
And of course,
it's the vulnerable

1907
01:36:40.838 --> 01:36:42.100
who suffer the most.

1908
01:36:44.537 --> 01:36:46.017
LUCY: So tell us about
this structure here?

1909
01:36:46.061 --> 01:36:47.889
What is this?This is my home

1910
01:36:48.498 --> 01:36:51.196
I started building this
four days after the fire--

1911
01:36:51.240 --> 01:36:52.545
five days after the fire.

1912
01:36:54.765 --> 01:36:58.464
LUCY: Even in Malibu,
people are homeless and hurting.

1913
01:36:59.814 --> 01:37:02.991
I don't even remember
much of the last few months.

1914
01:37:03.034 --> 01:37:04.775
LUCY: Do you-- How's it been?And it's--

1915
01:37:04.819 --> 01:37:06.472
A blur, really.

1916
01:37:07.212 --> 01:37:10.607
I've got what I was able to save
packed in the truck.

1917
01:37:11.390 --> 01:37:13.088
It's a broken shelter.
[CHUCKLES]

1918
01:37:14.263 --> 01:37:15.699
It gets cold.

1919
01:37:16.656 --> 01:37:19.572
There are drafts
in certain places.

1920
01:37:21.226 --> 01:37:25.013
So I'm just not set up
and I don't wanna be a burden.

1921
01:37:30.714 --> 01:37:34.239
[MUSIC PLAYING]

1922
01:37:38.287 --> 01:37:41.029
MAEVE: Firefighting
is definitely not
for the faint of the heart.

1923
01:37:42.508 --> 01:37:44.859
We do see a lot of fatalities,
we see a lot of injuries.

1924
01:37:44.902 --> 01:37:47.557
We see a lot of terrible things
in this job.

1925
01:37:48.036 --> 01:37:49.733
It's pretty hard
to just come home,

1926
01:37:49.776 --> 01:37:52.214
pretend none of that happened.

1927
01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:58.394
My husband's a firefighter
like me

1928
01:37:58.437 --> 01:38:01.876
and we separated, because
of the stress of our jobs.

1929
01:38:02.398 --> 01:38:04.487
I was surviving on
two to three hours

1930
01:38:04.530 --> 01:38:07.142
of sleep a nights
for a year and a half.

1931
01:38:08.186 --> 01:38:10.710
I felt like there was
a pretty significant period

1932
01:38:10.754 --> 01:38:14.062
of time where I lost my mind
just trying to hold it together.

1933
01:38:17.021 --> 01:38:18.153
JOHN: We're away
from our families

1934
01:38:18.196 --> 01:38:19.371
all summer long.

1935
01:38:20.982 --> 01:38:23.071
There's never a break,
there's no end in sight.

1936
01:38:24.637 --> 01:38:27.597
Work 50, 60, 70 days,
get a day off

1937
01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:28.685
and go right back on.

1938
01:38:28.728 --> 01:38:30.600
The problem
isn't going right back on,

1939
01:38:30.643 --> 01:38:32.950
it's,
"I might go another 70 days."

1940
01:38:36.084 --> 01:38:39.087
FRANK: They retired me out
post-traumatic stress disorder.

1941
01:38:39.391 --> 01:38:41.002
Three little kids are just
sitting there...

1942
01:38:42.438 --> 01:38:43.656
and...

1943
01:38:45.006 --> 01:38:48.661
yeah, after that
it was the next shift

1944
01:38:48.705 --> 01:38:50.489
I was coming in for,
I couldn't wake up.

1945
01:38:51.055 --> 01:38:52.448
I guess my body
was just telling me,

1946
01:38:52.491 --> 01:38:53.971
just, "I don't wanna go
to work."

1947
01:38:54.276 --> 01:38:57.235
So I came, I said,
"I don't feel right,

1948
01:38:57.279 --> 01:38:58.584
I just don't feel right."

1949
01:39:01.674 --> 01:39:05.765
MALE VOICE: We don't talk
so much about the PTSD
and the suicides

1950
01:39:06.070 --> 01:39:09.030
that causes the firefighters
to take their lives.

1951
01:39:10.031 --> 01:39:11.946
FIREFIGHTER: And I told my wife
the other day, I go,

1952
01:39:11.989 --> 01:39:13.991
"I feel like my brain's
not firing right."

1953
01:39:14.035 --> 01:39:17.168
Our brains are just done.
We're just mentally exhausted.

1954
01:39:19.388 --> 01:39:20.519
FIREFIGHTER 2: The problem is
the ones

1955
01:39:20.563 --> 01:39:21.956
that are really hurting the most

1956
01:39:22.260 --> 01:39:24.871
often don't say so
and then they do something,

1957
01:39:25.089 --> 01:39:26.221
it's too late.

1958
01:39:27.613 --> 01:39:29.964
"Hey man, are you thinking
about doing yourself?"

1959
01:39:30.965 --> 01:39:32.096
"Yeah, I am."

1960
01:39:33.445 --> 01:39:34.881
I've probably had that
six times. "Yeah, I am."

1961
01:39:35.317 --> 01:39:37.623
"How about if I help you?
Can I help you?"

1962
01:39:38.581 --> 01:39:41.192
Not one of those six
did themselves.

1963
01:39:42.367 --> 01:39:43.673
JASON: It's a long
emotional road

1964
01:39:44.065 --> 01:39:46.850
and every day I talk to people

1965
01:39:46.893 --> 01:39:51.942
who are very much struggling
emotionally with each day.

1966
01:39:54.423 --> 01:39:57.426
JIM: One of my goals was never
ever to seriously injure

1967
01:39:57.469 --> 01:39:58.993
or kill a firefighter
in the line of duty

1968
01:39:59.036 --> 01:40:01.038
and unfortunately,
I failed on that note.

1969
01:40:02.126 --> 01:40:05.390
Fire killed five United States
Forest Service firefighters

1970
01:40:05.434 --> 01:40:07.349
at a home
that they were defending.

1971
01:40:08.959 --> 01:40:11.222
Yeah,
that's just one of several.

1972
01:40:12.745 --> 01:40:15.966
FIREFIGHTER 2:
One of our firefighters
Cory Iverson was caught.

1973
01:40:16.445 --> 01:40:19.361
His strike team leader
Mark Barb ran through

1974
01:40:19.404 --> 01:40:21.406
the burning flames
and through the brush.

1975
01:40:21.450 --> 01:40:25.497
Cory was already dead,
but Mark fell on him

1976
01:40:25.802 --> 01:40:27.586
and covered him with his body,

1977
01:40:28.065 --> 01:40:30.111
so that Cory
didn't burn anymore.

1978
01:40:30.676 --> 01:40:33.331
That's a reason I wanna protect
our firefighters.

1979
01:40:33.375 --> 01:40:36.421
[MUSIC PLAYING]

1980
01:40:39.424 --> 01:40:41.035
[DOGS BARKING]

1981
01:40:44.821 --> 01:40:48.694
BRAD: Well, she'd been praying
every night that she would die.

1982
01:40:49.173 --> 01:40:51.219
That "Come take me",
she was ready.

1983
01:40:51.567 --> 01:40:54.135
And she passed,
took her last breath.

1984
01:40:54.483 --> 01:40:55.571
So she was home.

1985
01:40:56.963 --> 01:40:59.096
We have a little tradition,
I'm putting fruit trees

1986
01:40:59.140 --> 01:41:00.445
all the way around the property.

1987
01:41:01.316 --> 01:41:06.625
And a handful of ashes
from my mom and my wife

1988
01:41:06.669 --> 01:41:09.585
will go in each tree
all the way around.

1989
01:41:09.976 --> 01:41:11.848
My mother would join the rest
of the angels,

1990
01:41:11.891 --> 01:41:14.024
protecting the house
most definitely.

1991
01:41:14.416 --> 01:41:16.287
They're our loved ones,
they all will stay.

1992
01:41:22.032 --> 01:41:23.903
Better put this thing
right on outback.

1993
01:41:32.434 --> 01:41:34.958
[MAN SINGING
IN NATIVE AMERICAN LANGUAGE]

1994
01:41:51.627 --> 01:41:55.631
DON: On November 8th,
when I saw the fire itself,

1995
01:41:56.197 --> 01:41:58.112
I stopped on the side
of the road and watched it.

1996
01:41:59.504 --> 01:42:02.028
It reminded me
of the first fire stories.

1997
01:42:04.683 --> 01:42:08.165
The first fire story
is a story of fire

1998
01:42:08.209 --> 01:42:10.036
that sweeps across
the landscape.

1999
01:42:10.080 --> 01:42:12.169
It's the one that destroys
everything,

2000
01:42:13.257 --> 01:42:15.955
then you have nothing left,
you're devastated.

2001
01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:19.220
And I thought
our society is experiencing

2002
01:42:19.263 --> 01:42:22.440
the first fire stories that
indigenous peoples know about

2003
01:42:23.354 --> 01:42:25.443
and then learn to use fire.

2004
01:42:25.704 --> 01:42:30.492
And so we as a society need
to learn that lesson ourselves

2005
01:42:30.796 --> 01:42:32.711
to come back to the second
fire stories

2006
01:42:32.755 --> 01:42:34.365
which tell us
how to use fire.

2007
01:42:34.670 --> 01:42:38.413
This is old land, been in use
for thousands

2008
01:42:38.456 --> 01:42:39.849
and thousands of years.

2009
01:42:40.589 --> 01:42:44.723
What we're doing out here
is restoring life.

2010
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:47.117
RON: We call this
"cultural burning".

2011
01:42:47.161 --> 01:42:52.470
Cultural means to cultivate,
so when we're using fire,

2012
01:42:52.514 --> 01:42:57.083
it's a tool that we're using
to restore the land.

2013
01:42:57.997 --> 01:43:00.739
DON: One of the reasons
why indigenous people burn

2014
01:43:00.783 --> 01:43:02.741
historically, was to protect
their village areas.

2015
01:43:03.220 --> 01:43:05.527
Burn around 'em, because
almost all the structures

2016
01:43:05.570 --> 01:43:06.615
were made out of the wood.

2017
01:43:08.530 --> 01:43:09.792
So by burning the area
was to protect
around those things.

2018
01:43:12.142 --> 01:43:14.188
RON: After we burn,
that nutrient

2019
01:43:14.884 --> 01:43:16.625
will bring new life back.

2020
01:43:21.369 --> 01:43:24.241
A lot of people had this concept
that this was a wilderness

2021
01:43:24.285 --> 01:43:26.678
that was purely untouched.

2022
01:43:26.722 --> 01:43:28.985
But in fact it was
highly manipulated.

2023
01:43:30.378 --> 01:43:32.771
LUCY: Was I wrong
to want the fires put out?

2024
01:43:33.250 --> 01:43:37.123
I realized I was one
in a long line of Europeans

2025
01:43:37.167 --> 01:43:41.084
who'd landed in California
and misunderstood the place.

2026
01:43:41.519 --> 01:43:44.218
ZEKE: The real roots
of our forestry and fire crises

2027
01:43:44.261 --> 01:43:46.611
are in idea of white supremacy.

2028
01:43:46.872 --> 01:43:49.614
You know, our European ancestors
when they encountered

2029
01:43:49.658 --> 01:43:51.486
the native people
they couldn't imagine

2030
01:43:51.529 --> 01:43:53.749
that these people
they were meeting might have

2031
01:43:53.792 --> 01:43:56.621
advanced scientific knowledge
of how to manage the landscape

2032
01:43:56.665 --> 01:43:59.407
that was based on thousands
of years of experimentation

2033
01:43:59.450 --> 01:44:00.495
and observation.

2034
01:44:02.018 --> 01:44:03.933
The native people who lived here
rely directly on the land

2035
01:44:03.976 --> 01:44:05.804
for everything
about their lives.

2036
01:44:06.414 --> 01:44:09.330
There were management objectives
that they achieved using fire.

2037
01:44:09.808 --> 01:44:14.291
Like more acorns or let's move
the branches up higher on trees,

2038
01:44:14.335 --> 01:44:16.162
so we can see people
sneaking up to kill us.

2039
01:44:18.295 --> 01:44:20.079
TRINA: I told my grandpa
what I was doing

2040
01:44:20.123 --> 01:44:21.559
a few years ago and he said,

2041
01:44:21.603 --> 01:44:23.822
"Oh, you're trying to do
what I was trying to do."

2042
01:44:24.083 --> 01:44:28.218
Forest thinning and work
with other tribes
and other communities

2043
01:44:28.566 --> 01:44:30.264
and it's generation
after generation

2044
01:44:30.525 --> 01:44:32.657
of tribal knowledge
being available,

2045
01:44:32.701 --> 01:44:35.747
but the larger society
not willing to look at that

2046
01:44:35.791 --> 01:44:37.053
as a viable answer.

2047
01:44:38.489 --> 01:44:40.274
The fire can be our friend
or it can be our enemy.

2048
01:44:41.362 --> 01:44:44.147
And we need people,
fire has always been our friend.

2049
01:44:44.190 --> 01:44:47.324
[MAN SINGING
IN NATIVE AMERICAN LANGUAGE]

2050
01:44:47.368 --> 01:44:50.806
[MUSIC PLAYING]

2051
01:44:54.113 --> 01:44:55.680
BRIANNA: We got stripped
of our natural right

2052
01:44:56.115 --> 01:44:57.334
to be able to burn

2053
01:44:58.901 --> 01:45:00.337
and now it's getting harder
to teach the next generation

2054
01:45:00.381 --> 01:45:02.296
what a good burn is,
not to be afraid of fire.

2055
01:45:05.473 --> 01:45:09.085
Burning this feels so natural
and it's like I had this fire

2056
01:45:09.128 --> 01:45:11.000
inside of me
also that was dormant

2057
01:45:11.043 --> 01:45:15.265
for such a long time,
got laid down, got put out

2058
01:45:15.309 --> 01:45:17.006
and now I'm that
I'm putting fire back on,

2059
01:45:17.049 --> 01:45:19.356
it's also like reigniting
the fire

2060
01:45:19.400 --> 01:45:20.792
that I had inside myself.

2061
01:45:22.577 --> 01:45:25.057
DANNY: It's really the only way
that you could really manage

2062
01:45:25.101 --> 01:45:26.581
big areas.

2063
01:45:26.624 --> 01:45:31.063
There's only so much thinning
and piling, fuel breaks,

2064
01:45:31.107 --> 01:45:33.588
and stuff we could do
when you know fire

2065
01:45:33.631 --> 01:45:38.680
is the most cost effective
and easiest way of doing it

2066
01:45:38.723 --> 01:45:40.159
with the least amount
of resources

2067
01:45:44.686 --> 01:45:47.166
TRINA: It's actually harder
to get a fire started

2068
01:45:47.210 --> 01:45:48.864
than people might think.

2069
01:45:50.909 --> 01:45:52.171
Add a little wind.

2070
01:45:53.782 --> 01:45:55.261
Today's a really good day
for burn conditions,

2071
01:45:55.566 --> 01:45:58.526
because of higher humidity,
lower temperatures,

2072
01:45:58.569 --> 01:46:01.833
and this area
isn't heavily fueled.

2073
01:46:04.183 --> 01:46:06.447
This is what
we're talking about,
a low intensity fire.

2074
01:46:06.490 --> 01:46:08.231
Very, very short flame lengths.

2075
01:46:09.537 --> 01:46:12.235
So if you can imagine
back a long time ago,

2076
01:46:12.278 --> 01:46:13.628
this would just be
a family thing

2077
01:46:13.671 --> 01:46:15.194
and it was kind of
in our family,

2078
01:46:15.238 --> 01:46:17.588
where we would just spend
a good part of the day

2079
01:46:17.632 --> 01:46:19.895
just doing this, standing
around talking, visiting.

2080
01:46:20.983 --> 01:46:23.202
And it just brings itself out.

2081
01:46:23.768 --> 01:46:28.599
[MUSIC PLAYING]

2082
01:46:33.778 --> 01:46:35.998
STEPHEN: Temperate Europe
is a real anomaly in the world,

2083
01:46:36.825 --> 01:46:39.741
because it doesn't have
a pattern of wetting to dry,

2084
01:46:40.568 --> 01:46:43.614
and those parts of the world
that have those conditions

2085
01:46:43.658 --> 01:46:45.877
don't have natural basis
for fire,

2086
01:46:45.921 --> 01:46:47.575
and they're pretty small parts
of the world.

2087
01:46:48.010 --> 01:46:50.316
So Europeans didn't like fire,

2088
01:46:50.360 --> 01:46:53.102
they didn't see
any natural purpose to it

2089
01:46:53.145 --> 01:46:54.712
and they just saw it
as bad behavior,

2090
01:46:54.756 --> 01:46:58.063
as a kind of lawlessness
that needed to be controlled.

2091
01:46:59.935 --> 01:47:02.851
LUCY: And of course, the impact
of European arrogance

2092
01:47:02.894 --> 01:47:04.940
has not been constrained
to the USA.

2093
01:47:06.681 --> 01:47:08.596
FIREFIGHTER 1: Cultural burning
is not just about

2094
01:47:08.639 --> 01:47:11.337
aboriginal people,
putting, dropping matches

2095
01:47:11.381 --> 01:47:12.991
in the country
and burn a country.

2096
01:47:13.905 --> 01:47:15.254
FIREFIGHTER 2:
It's very technical

2097
01:47:15.298 --> 01:47:17.822
and there's a lot of science
and layers, and layers,

2098
01:47:17.866 --> 01:47:19.476
and layers of knowledge.

2099
01:47:19.781 --> 01:47:22.044
FIREFIGHTER 1: It's bad enough
that our people have lost

2100
01:47:22.087 --> 01:47:25.700
their own identity through being
dispossessed from their land,

2101
01:47:25.961 --> 01:47:30.661
but because of mismanagement
of country, even now countries

2102
01:47:30.705 --> 01:47:34.535
losing it's own identity
through these invasive grasses

2103
01:47:35.187 --> 01:47:38.930
and shrubs taking over areas
where they're not meant to be.

2104
01:47:40.715 --> 01:47:42.717
ZEKE: And we kind of need
to flip the script

2105
01:47:43.282 --> 01:47:46.068
and start telling
a different story about fire

2106
01:47:46.111 --> 01:47:48.200
in the landscape that
doesn't cast it as a villain,

2107
01:47:48.244 --> 01:47:50.072
that casts it actually
as the tool.

2108
01:47:53.554 --> 01:47:55.773
STEPHEN: For almost all
of our existences as species

2109
01:47:56.252 --> 01:47:58.036
we managed to live
with fire well.

2110
01:47:59.473 --> 01:48:00.909
We've lost that.

2111
01:48:02.127 --> 01:48:04.260
We have a sense that
we have to dominate it,

2112
01:48:04.303 --> 01:48:07.655
control it,
some kind of Promethean image.

2113
01:48:10.005 --> 01:48:13.574
But fire has been on this planet
for 420 million years.

2114
01:48:13.965 --> 01:48:16.011
As long as plants
have been on land,

2115
01:48:16.054 --> 01:48:18.840
they have burned.
We are not going to stop that,

2116
01:48:18.883 --> 01:48:20.363
we can't afford to stop it.

2117
01:48:23.148 --> 01:48:26.021
So what fire does
is it takes in oxygen

2118
01:48:26.500 --> 01:48:29.067
and then gives off water vapor
and carbon dioxide.

2119
01:48:30.416 --> 01:48:33.028
When it occurs within us,
we call it "respiration".

2120
01:48:33.071 --> 01:48:34.116
Occurs in cells.

2121
01:48:34.377 --> 01:48:36.422
When it occurs
in the open landscape,

2122
01:48:36.684 --> 01:48:39.904
we call it "fire".
But it's the same chemistry.

2123
01:48:41.819 --> 01:48:43.821
We are the fire creature...

2124
01:48:45.562 --> 01:48:49.218
and we use that to make
the world more habitable.

2125
01:48:50.132 --> 01:48:53.439
This is what we do, you know
other animals knock over trees

2126
01:48:53.483 --> 01:48:55.398
and dig holes in the ground.
We do fire.

2127
01:48:57.269 --> 01:48:59.576
And the hearth fire,
is the very essence

2128
01:48:59.620 --> 01:49:01.926
of domesticity and family.

2129
01:49:03.624 --> 01:49:05.234
I mean if we lit a fire here,

2130
01:49:05.277 --> 01:49:06.931
we would all be standing
around it.

2131
01:49:07.323 --> 01:49:08.803
[SCREAMS]I am in the middle.

2132
01:49:08.846 --> 01:49:10.239
No, I am.I am!

2133
01:49:11.109 --> 01:49:12.676
No, I am.I am!

2134
01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:14.504
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

2135
01:49:14.548 --> 01:49:17.115
Oh, make out your own
with a hose.

2136
01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:19.204
Fire is a good thing,
to stay warm?

2137
01:49:19.248 --> 01:49:20.466
Yeah.BRAD: Yeah.

2138
01:49:24.427 --> 01:49:26.560
Getting ready to plant
the vegetables.

2139
01:49:28.562 --> 01:49:31.129
Over here we just started
cleaning the garden out

2140
01:49:31.739 --> 01:49:34.742
and then now the orange trees
all getting in bloom

2141
01:49:34.785 --> 01:49:38.397
and the lemon trees
and it'll smell so good.

2142
01:49:38.746 --> 01:49:41.139
On the anniversary
of my wife's passing,

2143
01:49:41.749 --> 01:49:44.578
Roni came up to talk to me
and we sat and talked

2144
01:49:44.621 --> 01:49:46.014
and we've been together since.

2145
01:49:47.363 --> 01:49:50.148
And it's been great,
and peaceful, and wonderful.

2146
01:49:50.627 --> 01:49:52.324
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

2147
01:49:52.368 --> 01:49:54.979
Almost ready.Oh, praise you, baby.

2148
01:49:55.023 --> 01:49:56.546
It's only at 98 degrees,

2149
01:49:56.590 --> 01:49:58.896
we got about another 30 degrees
to go.

2150
01:49:58.940 --> 01:49:59.897
Oh.

2151
01:50:01.812 --> 01:50:02.987
He's a wonderful man.

2152
01:50:03.031 --> 01:50:04.859
They broke the mold
when they made him,

2153
01:50:04.902 --> 01:50:06.556
'cause they don't make 'em
like that anymore.

2154
01:50:08.602 --> 01:50:10.429
Roni lived right over there.

2155
01:50:11.387 --> 01:50:13.824
See that burnt down piece of tin
over there,

2156
01:50:14.085 --> 01:50:15.434
that was Roni's house.

2157
01:50:17.828 --> 01:50:20.701
So we lived that far apart
and I didn't know she liked me.

2158
01:50:21.919 --> 01:50:24.095
It took the fire I guess
to openin' my eyes

2159
01:50:24.139 --> 01:50:27.011
to all this is just replaceable.

2160
01:50:27.533 --> 01:50:29.448
Love is all you got.
Family is all you got.

2161
01:50:29.797 --> 01:50:31.407
So that's what's important.

2162
01:50:33.975 --> 01:50:35.237
We can always start over.

2163
01:50:35.498 --> 01:50:36.760
Always.Yeah.

2164
01:50:37.892 --> 01:50:40.590
Don't need to all the time.[CHUCKLES]

2165
01:50:44.725 --> 01:50:45.943
LUCY: This is very special.

2166
01:50:45.987 --> 01:50:47.292
Yeah.Yes.

2167
01:50:47.336 --> 01:50:51.688
Really good, really good.
Life is really good.

2168
01:50:51.732 --> 01:50:52.950
[LAUGHS]

2169
01:51:01.785 --> 01:51:04.788
THOR: There's change
and how we handle it.

2170
01:51:05.615 --> 01:51:10.185
How we internalize
and feel about the change.

2171
01:51:10.707 --> 01:51:13.710
It informs who we are,
who our personality,

2172
01:51:13.754 --> 01:51:16.800
who our character is.
What do you see behind is?

2173
01:51:18.541 --> 01:51:19.803
Hello?

2174
01:51:20.630 --> 01:51:21.718
Now gone.

2175
01:51:23.807 --> 01:51:26.505
Wow, what a gift.

2176
01:51:28.159 --> 01:51:30.814
PICO: Maybe it's good to remind
ourselves of how we many things

2177
01:51:30.858 --> 01:51:32.076
we can't control.

2178
01:51:32.773 --> 01:51:34.122
I was spending most of my time

2179
01:51:34.165 --> 01:51:36.124
reading these
burning house poems,

2180
01:51:36.167 --> 01:51:37.734
that are very, very common
in Japan,

2181
01:51:37.778 --> 01:51:40.345
because fire and impermanence
sit at the heart

2182
01:51:40.389 --> 01:51:41.651
of that culture.

2183
01:51:41.956 --> 01:51:45.046
There's a poem,
"My husband down,

2184
01:51:45.611 --> 01:51:48.745
now I can see more clearly
the rising moon."

2185
01:51:49.615 --> 01:51:52.053
That clarifies your perspective,
and it makes you remember

2186
01:51:52.357 --> 01:51:54.446
what you care about,
and it takes the clutter

2187
01:51:54.490 --> 01:51:56.100
out of your head
and out of your life.

2188
01:52:01.845 --> 01:52:04.761
DON: The wind patterns
and the migrations of the birds,

2189
01:52:05.240 --> 01:52:07.372
the order of flowering
of certain plants,

2190
01:52:07.982 --> 01:52:10.071
those kind of things
are all the landscape

2191
01:52:10.114 --> 01:52:13.422
communicating with you,
but in modern society

2192
01:52:13.465 --> 01:52:16.817
people tend to just uproot
and move places

2193
01:52:17.382 --> 01:52:19.907
And they rely
on their technology.

2194
01:52:24.825 --> 01:52:29.786
TRINA: Once people realize
that the place that they're in

2195
01:52:29.830 --> 01:52:32.310
has its own voice
if they take the time to start

2196
01:52:32.354 --> 01:52:35.313
to learn that language
of that place,

2197
01:52:35.357 --> 01:52:38.099
then that place will respond
to them in a different way.

2198
01:52:38.142 --> 01:52:40.797
And they will understand
that place in a different way.

2199
01:52:41.058 --> 01:52:44.496
And that's when it becomes
really, really beautiful.

2200
01:52:48.544 --> 01:52:51.155
DANNY: It doesn't take
a college genius to figure out

2201
01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:53.070
how to treat
Mother Nature right.

2202
01:52:53.505 --> 01:52:55.290
Mother Nature was pissed.

2203
01:52:56.508 --> 01:52:58.467
Little more respect.Yup.

2204
01:52:58.510 --> 01:53:00.034
Treat the land with respect.

2205
01:53:00.077 --> 01:53:02.863
Get rid of all that plastic crap
you been playing with.

2206
01:53:02.906 --> 01:53:05.213
The shopping bag almost
destroyed this place.

2207
01:53:05.256 --> 01:53:06.649
I mean they're everywhere.

2208
01:53:06.692 --> 01:53:08.738
BRAD: Shopping bags.Diapers

2209
01:53:08.782 --> 01:53:09.870
BRAD: Bottled water.

2210
01:53:11.828 --> 01:53:13.134
LUCY: You and three others
thinking that

2211
01:53:15.223 --> 01:53:16.659
you guys have something--Well, something-- We--
Some of us are on the same page.

2212
01:53:17.442 --> 01:53:19.793
LUCY: None of us
wants hell on earth.

2213
01:53:20.054 --> 01:53:22.578
None of us wants our home
to burn down,

2214
01:53:22.883 --> 01:53:25.015
but what does it take to agree
with people

2215
01:53:25.059 --> 01:53:26.451
we're not supposed to?

2216
01:53:26.756 --> 01:53:28.671
We are environmentalists, okay.

2217
01:53:28.714 --> 01:53:29.803
We love our environment, okay.

2218
01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:32.718
HOWARD: The Native Americans
back in ancient times,

2219
01:53:32.762 --> 01:53:35.025
they'd leave in the winter
and when they left,

2220
01:53:35.069 --> 01:53:36.635
they'd set the place on fire.

2221
01:53:36.679 --> 01:53:38.942
PETE: And that's where
the old ranchers
learned it from.

2222
01:53:38.986 --> 01:53:40.074
Something's wrong.Yeah.

2223
01:53:41.553 --> 01:53:42.946
That's why the alternate ways--
Maybe we need to go back

2224
01:53:42.990 --> 01:53:46.384
a hundred years and say,
"They did it right, okay

2225
01:53:46.428 --> 01:53:47.995
and we've mismanaged it."

2226
01:53:53.696 --> 01:53:56.438
LUCY: There's been an update
from Sierra Pacific Industries.

2227
01:53:56.917 --> 01:53:58.875
Remember those
young tree plantations

2228
01:53:58.919 --> 01:54:01.486
we visited and I got upset
where the fire had burned

2229
01:54:01.530 --> 01:54:04.098
through so quickly
on its way to Paradise.

2230
01:54:04.533 --> 01:54:07.057
They've decided
not to replant them.

2231
01:54:07.841 --> 01:54:11.148
That all burned in 2008
and here you know,

2232
01:54:11.192 --> 01:54:13.194
ten years later it burned again.

2233
01:54:13.237 --> 01:54:16.284
So obviously there's some work
that could be done there

2234
01:54:16.327 --> 01:54:19.548
to help, you know,
keep that from happening again.

2235
01:54:21.028 --> 01:54:23.857
We learned a lot after I saw
what happened over there.

2236
01:54:24.858 --> 01:54:26.468
DON: We thought this would be
a good anchor point

2237
01:54:26.511 --> 01:54:28.818
for bringing the fire back
into this landscape

2238
01:54:29.123 --> 01:54:31.865
and so after they send it,
then we came in

2239
01:54:31.908 --> 01:54:36.478
and put the fire on the ground
to manage the fuels

2240
01:54:36.521 --> 01:54:38.610
and hopefully,
within the next few years,

2241
01:54:38.654 --> 01:54:40.569
we'll be able to come back
and we do another burn

2242
01:54:40.612 --> 01:54:42.571
to maintain the fuel densities

2243
01:54:42.614 --> 01:54:45.139
and the diversity of species
that we have out here.

2244
01:54:51.101 --> 01:54:54.235
STEPHEN: Fire even
has a kind of moral presence

2245
01:54:54.278 --> 01:54:56.890
indirectly, because it forces
people to choose.

2246
01:54:58.979 --> 01:55:02.721
As the old signs in theBible
of the Trying Fire.

2247
01:55:03.722 --> 01:55:06.943
The fire will try each of us
and determine

2248
01:55:06.987 --> 01:55:08.292
of what sort we are.

2249
01:55:08.684 --> 01:55:14.298
[MUSIC PLAYING]

2250
01:55:23.742 --> 01:55:29.531
[MUSIC PLAYING]

2251
01:55:35.232 --> 01:55:38.018
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

2252
01:55:42.457 --> 01:55:44.763
[ALL LAUGH]

2253
01:55:44.807 --> 01:55:46.852
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

2254
01:55:46.896 --> 01:55:50.726
My mother wanted me
to wear this, so.

2255
01:55:51.553 --> 01:55:54.991
I know, yeah, let's go.
The wedding party is here.

2256
01:56:00.301 --> 01:56:01.519
Oh shit.

2257
01:56:02.433 --> 01:56:08.178
[MUSIC PLAYING]

2258
01:56:14.706 --> 01:56:17.579
VICAR: Bradley, do you take
this woman to be your wife,

2259
01:56:17.622 --> 01:56:20.190
to love and to honor her,
to comfort her,

2260
01:56:20.234 --> 01:56:22.976
to learn and grow with her
for as long as you both
shall live?

2261
01:56:23.019 --> 01:56:24.281
Of course.

2262
01:56:25.500 --> 01:56:27.981
Do you take this man
to be your husband,

2263
01:56:28.459 --> 01:56:30.592
to love and to honor him?RONI: Absolutely.

2264
01:56:31.332 --> 01:56:34.030
[GUESTS CHEERING]

2265
01:56:34.509 --> 01:56:36.163
By the power vested in me,

2266
01:56:37.033 --> 01:56:38.904
you guys are now
husband and wife.

2267
01:56:43.822 --> 01:56:49.698
[MUSIC PLAYING]

2268
01:57:27.083 --> 01:57:30.043
["“WE HAVE IT ALL"” PLAYING]

2269
01:57:30.956 --> 01:57:35.439
♪ There was fire around us
So I should have known why ♪

2270
01:57:35.483 --> 01:57:40.140
♪ The touch of his hands
Were as cold as his eyes ♪

2271
01:57:40.183 --> 01:57:44.361
♪ So don't you tell me
We weren't hypnotized ♪

2272
01:57:44.405 --> 01:57:47.799
♪ Whoa oho

2273
01:57:49.062 --> 01:57:53.414
♪ The print was so small,
I didn't understand ♪

2274
01:57:53.457 --> 01:57:57.983
♪ He cut our thumbs and placed
A feather in our hands ♪

2275
01:57:58.027 --> 01:58:03.554
♪ Told us we would see all
Our dreams and plans unfold ♪

2276
01:58:04.033 --> 01:58:05.687
♪ Oho

2277
01:58:06.166 --> 01:58:10.909
♪ Our hearts we have sold

2278
01:58:10.953 --> 01:58:15.131
♪ For diamonds and gold

2279
01:58:15.175 --> 01:58:18.700
♪ But hey, baby, take a look

2280
01:58:18.961 --> 01:58:23.313
♪ We have it all

2281
01:58:24.836 --> 01:58:28.623
♪ All my life
I've been heading for hell ♪

2282
01:58:28.666 --> 01:58:33.149
♪ But never had I thought
I'd drag you down as well ♪

2283
01:58:33.193 --> 01:58:37.371
♪ I just couldn't resist
What he was trying to sell ♪

2284
01:58:37.414 --> 01:58:41.114
♪ Oho oho

2285
01:58:41.723 --> 01:58:46.162
♪ Our hearts we have sold

2286
01:58:46.423 --> 01:58:50.645
♪ For diamonds and gold

2287
01:58:50.688 --> 01:58:54.127
♪ But hey, baby, take a look

2288
01:58:54.344 --> 01:58:59.393
♪ We have it all

2289
01:59:00.394 --> 01:59:03.353
♪ Hear me

2290
01:59:03.745 --> 01:59:08.097
♪ Can you hear me

2291
01:59:08.141 --> 01:59:12.319
♪ I am calling out to you

2292
01:59:12.580 --> 01:59:17.498
♪ For the last time

2293
01:59:18.238 --> 01:59:21.197
♪ Hear me

2294
01:59:21.502 --> 01:59:25.723
♪ Please forgive me

2295
01:59:25.984 --> 01:59:30.337
♪ I am calling out to you

2296
01:59:30.380 --> 01:59:35.733
♪ For the last time