1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:21,958 --> 00:00:22,918                  Hello.               4 00:00:23,478 --> 00:00:26,398               You probably                       recognize my face.         5 00:00:26,398 --> 00:00:28,998         Let me introduce myself                   in another role.          6 00:00:29,038 --> 00:00:30,798            Not as the actor,          7 00:00:30,798 --> 00:00:33,038             but Omar Sharif                      the bridge player.         8 00:00:33,038 --> 00:00:34,198             In recent years,          9 00:00:34,198 --> 00:00:35,438        my partners have included      10 00:00:35,438 --> 00:00:36,958          not only great players       11 00:00:36,998 --> 00:00:38,318            but famous people,         12 00:00:38,318 --> 00:00:40,638             royalty, cabinet                         ministers,             13 00:00:40,638 --> 00:00:41,878           famous entertainers.        14 00:00:42,158 --> 00:00:44,398         From my perspective,         15 00:00:44,398 --> 00:00:46,798  nobody cool doesn't play bridge.  16 00:00:46,798 --> 00:00:49,238    Like everyone who plays bridge                is super cool            17 00:00:49,278 --> 00:00:50,478                so cool               18 00:00:50,678 --> 00:00:52,878        that people don't even                   understand it.            19 00:01:12,398 --> 00:01:13,878          When I play bridge          20 00:01:13,878 --> 00:01:16,798              I feel that                     I maximize my talent.        21 00:01:17,478 --> 00:01:19,518  You're earning a lot of money.     22 00:01:19,518 --> 00:01:20,598        You're living the life.       23 00:01:20,598 --> 00:01:21,998        You're traveling a lot,       24 00:01:22,158 --> 00:01:24,758     hanging out with the richest             people in the world.         25 00:01:24,758 --> 00:01:26,518      Bill Gates, Warren Buffett.     26 00:01:27,078 --> 00:01:29,598        People told me I can be                a good programmer.          27 00:01:29,638 --> 00:01:32,358               I can be                    a good financial analyzer.      28 00:01:32,998 --> 00:01:36,358     But to be the best in bridge                 in the world,            29 00:01:36,998 --> 00:01:38,358               only one.              30 00:01:40,278 --> 00:01:41,918                 Yes,                 31 00:01:41,918 --> 00:01:43,358               it's me.               32 00:01:49,078 --> 00:01:50,158             He was great.            33 00:01:50,198 --> 00:01:51,518          For his generation,         34 00:01:51,758 --> 00:01:54,438          he may be the best               bridge player in the world.     35 00:01:54,438 --> 00:01:55,638          He could have been,         36 00:01:55,678 --> 00:01:57,358        the next Michael Jordan                    of bridge.              37 00:01:57,598 --> 00:01:58,678           He was that good.          38 00:02:00,158 --> 00:02:03,038     They just kept winning major          events, him and his partner     39 00:02:03,038 --> 00:02:04,438     on whatever team they played     40 00:02:04,598 --> 00:02:06,638         almost to the point,              it was kind of unbelievable     41 00:02:06,638 --> 00:02:09,078          such a young pair,                   winning everything.         42 00:02:10,598 --> 00:02:11,998       They were the new stars,       43 00:02:12,038 --> 00:02:14,438         all the way they were               like in the front seat.       44 00:02:14,438 --> 00:02:15,998       Nobody could touch them.       45 00:02:19,478 --> 00:02:20,638         They were at the top.        46 00:02:20,958 --> 00:02:23,118          They had everything               you could want in bridge.      47 00:02:23,158 --> 00:02:24,438     They were making great money.    48 00:02:24,438 --> 00:02:25,998           They were winning                  all kinds of things.         49 00:02:26,198 --> 00:02:27,438       What more could you want?      50 00:02:27,438 --> 00:02:29,478           [Crowd cheering]           51 00:02:39,198 --> 00:02:41,198            They were accused                     by another player          52 00:02:41,198 --> 00:02:42,678       on another team of cheating.    53 00:02:49,998 --> 00:02:52,478       I see people the writing               that he's a cheater,         54 00:02:52,518 --> 00:02:54,478           he is a cheater,                     he is a cheater.           55 00:02:54,478 --> 00:02:56,078      They put it inside my head.     56 00:02:56,838 --> 00:02:58,038     It was all coming to a boil.     57 00:02:58,038 --> 00:02:59,838      There was too much cheating                   going on.              58 00:02:59,878 --> 00:03:00,998          And it had to stop.         59 00:03:01,278 --> 00:03:03,278             Like the shit                     had to hit the fan.         60 00:03:04,598 --> 00:03:06,158            I didn't cheat,           61 00:03:06,158 --> 00:03:08,718      but I brought it on myself.     62 00:03:09,998 --> 00:03:11,438        Bridge is all my life.        63 00:03:11,478 --> 00:03:15,278          They took my baby,                  they took half of me.        64 00:03:17,478 --> 00:03:19,638      I cannot forgive for that.      65 00:03:34,758 --> 00:03:37,398         I came from a family                   who liked sports.          66 00:03:37,438 --> 00:03:39,158             My father was                    a soccer goalkeeper,         67 00:03:39,158 --> 00:03:41,318              and my mom,                 she was a basketball player.     68 00:03:41,478 --> 00:03:43,798                And me,                   I wasn't into bridge at all.     69 00:03:45,398 --> 00:03:47,558    When I was about 11 years old,    70 00:03:47,598 --> 00:03:49,678     I saw two girls from my class    71 00:03:49,958 --> 00:03:51,878         and I was asking them                where are you going?         72 00:03:51,878 --> 00:03:53,598             They told me,                 "We are going to the mall.      73 00:03:53,638 --> 00:03:55,038           Then we're going                   to a bridge lesson."         74 00:03:56,438 --> 00:03:58,478      One of them I really liked.     75 00:03:58,518 --> 00:04:00,958            So I was trying                 to make some impression,       76 00:04:01,198 --> 00:04:03,838     I decided, okay I want to go             to the bridge lesson.        77 00:04:11,558 --> 00:04:14,198      So I went up to the lesson,                  I entered,              78 00:04:14,518 --> 00:04:17,158     we were learning a little bit               about the rules           79 00:04:17,158 --> 00:04:18,638     and then we started to play.     80 00:04:36,998 --> 00:04:38,278            He was shocked.           81 00:04:38,478 --> 00:04:40,838              He told me,                  "Go out! Come with me out."     82 00:04:40,838 --> 00:04:42,758        I thought he was going              to kill me or something.       83 00:04:42,798 --> 00:04:45,238           Maybe he thought                I'm cheating or something,      84 00:04:45,238 --> 00:04:46,118            I didn't know.            85 00:05:19,558 --> 00:05:21,878             And of course                he was speaking to my father     86 00:05:21,878 --> 00:05:23,638        and my father told him,       87 00:05:23,678 --> 00:05:26,078               "No way,                    my son will not play cards.     88 00:05:26,078 --> 00:05:27,398        He's playing handball.        89 00:05:27,398 --> 00:05:28,758     He's playing soccer, no way."    90 00:05:40,598 --> 00:05:42,838      "I can make him number one                 in the world."            91 00:05:43,878 --> 00:05:44,918              He said it.             92 00:08:05,558 --> 00:08:08,878          When I see numbers,              phone number, credit card,      93 00:08:08,918 --> 00:08:10,678     I close my eyes I can see it.    94 00:08:13,798 --> 00:08:16,278      I can see how you wrote it.     95 00:08:16,318 --> 00:08:18,998         I can hear your voice               when you told it to me        96 00:08:19,838 --> 00:08:21,758            there is no way                     I will forget it.          97 00:08:22,278 --> 00:08:26,158         So basically this is               how my memory works, yes.      98 00:09:00,758 --> 00:09:03,718                It was                     the 20th of January, 2005.      99 00:09:03,758 --> 00:09:07,318             I was playing                 some tournament in Israel.      100 00:09:09,118 --> 00:09:11,198     When I went to the main table              to take a board,           101 00:09:11,198 --> 00:09:13,558          I probably took it                      very quickly             102 00:09:13,558 --> 00:09:16,998      because I was excited about        the match, we played very well.  103 00:09:17,198 --> 00:09:20,718    And then when I took the board,            one of the notes           104 00:09:20,718 --> 00:09:24,678         which was on the top                  fell on the floor.          105 00:09:26,238 --> 00:09:28,118           So I picked it up                     from the floor,           106 00:09:28,118 --> 00:09:30,758            I didn't look,                    I hold it in my hand,        107 00:09:31,638 --> 00:09:33,598     I put the board on the table     108 00:09:33,758 --> 00:09:36,078           and I was sitting                    on my right hand           109 00:09:36,318 --> 00:09:38,638         which holds the note.        110 00:09:40,958 --> 00:09:42,358        And my right opponent,        111 00:09:42,398 --> 00:09:44,798        he saw that I'm holding               something in my hand         112 00:09:45,318 --> 00:09:48,678     before I even had the chance               to say something,          113 00:09:48,878 --> 00:09:51,798             he got crazy,                    he started to shout.         114 00:09:51,798 --> 00:09:54,838         He started to call me                     some names.             115 00:09:54,838 --> 00:09:56,198        He called the director        116 00:09:56,398 --> 00:10:00,038     and he said that I'm holding             something in my hand.        117 00:10:01,158 --> 00:10:03,078             They told me,                    "Okay, just stand up.        118 00:10:03,078 --> 00:10:05,198     We wanna see what do you hold               in your hand."            119 00:10:05,238 --> 00:10:06,678             I was crying.            120 00:10:06,998 --> 00:10:08,758      I wanted to tell my story.      121 00:10:08,758 --> 00:10:10,478          I wanted to explain                    what happened.            122 00:10:10,718 --> 00:10:12,678          I just freezed out.         123 00:10:35,238 --> 00:10:36,838       I had an ethic committee,      124 00:10:36,838 --> 00:10:39,758    I said that I had no intention                 to take it.             125 00:10:39,798 --> 00:10:41,678        And I had no intention                      to look.               126 00:10:43,318 --> 00:10:45,038         I took responsibility        127 00:10:45,078 --> 00:10:49,878      and I admitted that I could         behave a little more wisely,     128 00:10:49,918 --> 00:10:51,598       when it fell on the floor      129 00:10:51,598 --> 00:10:54,318          to call immediately                   to the director.           130 00:10:55,438 --> 00:10:58,518            Everybody knew                 that it was something that      131 00:10:58,758 --> 00:11:02,118        I didn't try to hide it              or something like this.       132 00:11:05,078 --> 00:11:06,678  They decided that I didn't cheat  133 00:11:06,678 --> 00:11:09,518            but I might had                    some intention to.          134 00:11:09,798 --> 00:11:12,798          And I was suspended                for two years for that.       135 00:11:14,158 --> 00:11:16,998             That is very,                     very heavy penalty.         136 00:11:20,478 --> 00:11:23,198               They said                     it's because I'm young.       137 00:11:23,198 --> 00:11:27,078      And because I have to learn                how to behave.            138 00:11:56,518 --> 00:11:59,198            When you watch                a really good ballet dancer,     139 00:11:59,198 --> 00:12:04,558      it's this fabulous image,             a mirage almost, right?        140 00:12:04,558 --> 00:12:05,918            And that's what                      good bridge is.           141 00:12:06,678 --> 00:12:09,238            It takes anyone                a very long time to kind of     142 00:12:09,238 --> 00:12:12,838         grasp the brilliance                     of the game.             143 00:12:12,838 --> 00:12:14,598    Not you, you're not brilliant.    144 00:12:14,598 --> 00:12:17,878            The game itself                 is so fantastic, really.       145 00:12:19,758 --> 00:12:21,038          Do you play bridge?         146 00:12:21,278 --> 00:12:23,438         I don't play bridge-                -You don't play bridge.       147 00:12:23,478 --> 00:12:26,078  Well, you have to learn to play.  148 00:12:32,758 --> 00:12:35,878       Welcome to the magical world                   of bridge.             149 00:12:35,878 --> 00:12:38,438              It's actually                 an extremely complicated game    150 00:12:38,438 --> 00:12:40,198       requiring decades to master.    151 00:12:40,238 --> 00:12:42,598                Our system                    will be five card majors,      152 00:12:42,598 --> 00:12:44,998                all jumps                       by responder forcing.        153 00:12:44,998 --> 00:12:47,438           Stayman, blackwood,                    and weak two-bids.         154 00:12:47,438 --> 00:12:49,238           This means two clubs                   will be the old--.         155 00:12:49,238 --> 00:12:51,358      But we really don't have time                   for that.              156 00:12:51,558 --> 00:12:53,398                So here's                        all you need to know        157 00:12:53,438 --> 00:12:56,038       in order to not look stupid            in front of your friends.      158 00:12:56,238 --> 00:12:59,358                Step one,               you're dealt a hand of 13 cards.  159 00:12:59,358 --> 00:13:01,718       The goal in bridge is to win                the most rounds           160 00:13:01,718 --> 00:13:03,598        holding the highest card.      161 00:13:03,638 --> 00:13:05,318            Here, for example,         162 00:13:05,358 --> 00:13:08,038        the lucky bastard holding             the ace has won the round.     163 00:13:08,038 --> 00:13:10,318             Winning a round                      is called a trick.         164 00:13:10,638 --> 00:13:14,318      Step two, you and your partner             sitting across you         165 00:13:14,358 --> 00:13:17,038       must declare how many tricks          you're going to win together    166 00:13:17,038 --> 00:13:18,838                and what's                       your strongest suit.        167 00:13:18,838 --> 00:13:21,398             One spade.               168 00:13:21,398 --> 00:13:23,918         We call this a contract.      169 00:13:24,118 --> 00:13:26,358              Now here come                     a gazillion more rules       170 00:13:26,398 --> 00:13:28,238         that have nothing to do                   with our story.           171 00:13:28,278 --> 00:13:31,438        So let's just forget them                   all together.            172 00:13:31,438 --> 00:13:32,798             Oh, wait a sec.           173 00:13:32,838 --> 00:13:34,718            There is one rule                     you must remember.         174 00:13:35,038 --> 00:13:37,958           When playing bridge,         you can't just ask your partner    175 00:13:37,958 --> 00:13:39,678        if he's got some diamonds.     176 00:13:39,718 --> 00:13:42,078      In fact, you can't talk to him                  at all.               177 00:13:42,518 --> 00:13:44,118         No coughing, no winking,      178 00:13:44,118 --> 00:13:46,598           hell, you can't even               kick him under the table.      179 00:13:46,598 --> 00:13:49,118         Illegally communicating                  with your partner          180 00:13:49,118 --> 00:13:51,318  is the one mortal sin of bridge.  181 00:13:51,798 --> 00:13:54,038       That pretty much sums it up,    182 00:13:54,038 --> 00:13:54,958                 cheerio.              183 00:14:00,318 --> 00:14:02,958        So I didn't play bridge                  for two years,            184 00:14:03,758 --> 00:14:05,158        but always in my mind,        185 00:14:05,198 --> 00:14:07,798         I knew that I want to              go back and play bridge.       186 00:14:07,798 --> 00:14:10,678            It was already                      inside my blood.           187 00:14:30,278 --> 00:14:32,158           After I came back                  from the suspension,         188 00:14:32,158 --> 00:14:35,078    I wanted to play professionally         and I needed a partner.       189 00:14:35,078 --> 00:14:36,878             Everybody had                      a partner already          190 00:14:37,118 --> 00:14:39,558          and Ron was the one                   to be available.           191 00:14:39,598 --> 00:14:41,198           So I offered him                     to play together.          192 00:15:14,198 --> 00:15:16,038           At the beginning                    of our partnership          193 00:15:16,038 --> 00:15:18,758  when I was very, very confident,  194 00:15:18,758 --> 00:15:20,878    some people will say arrogant,    195 00:15:20,878 --> 00:15:23,198     I used to be very aggressive.    196 00:15:23,518 --> 00:15:27,238        I'm looking for someone                   to be perfect            197 00:15:27,278 --> 00:15:29,198          as I thought I am,          198 00:15:29,198 --> 00:15:30,278         and it's impossible.         199 00:15:52,078 --> 00:15:55,038  I remember after one tournament,           he told me I quit.          200 00:15:55,078 --> 00:15:57,038          I don't wanna play                    with you anymore.          201 00:15:57,358 --> 00:15:58,878      And I needed to apologize.      202 00:15:58,918 --> 00:16:00,118       And then we played again.      203 00:16:00,118 --> 00:16:01,758              I told him                    I will never do it again.      204 00:16:01,998 --> 00:16:04,358            I did it again                    even worse than that.        205 00:16:04,678 --> 00:16:07,198            I made him cry                      a million times.           206 00:16:15,518 --> 00:16:16,838    It's terrible to play with me,    207 00:16:16,878 --> 00:16:19,718     but with time he got stronger    208 00:16:19,718 --> 00:16:22,398           and I was trying                     to be more calm,           209 00:16:22,398 --> 00:16:24,438       we improved as partners.       210 00:16:27,478 --> 00:16:30,718        If you want to be good,        you have to put a lot of effort.  211 00:16:31,038 --> 00:16:35,878          We were practicing                 10, 12, 15 hours a day.       212 00:16:36,998 --> 00:16:41,518     And once we started to think            about the game the same       213 00:16:41,558 --> 00:16:44,958    and we understood each others'          thoughts about the game,       214 00:16:44,958 --> 00:16:47,078         it was very difficult                     to stop us.             215 00:16:50,278 --> 00:16:51,958        They won the Cavendish.       216 00:16:51,958 --> 00:16:54,718     They won the most prestigious           European championship.        217 00:16:54,718 --> 00:16:57,438         And they won the main               tournaments in the USA        218 00:16:57,438 --> 00:16:59,118     some of the biggest that even    219 00:16:59,118 --> 00:17:01,758      some of the players ranked              in the top 20 players        220 00:17:01,758 --> 00:17:03,598             in the world                 have never won in their life,    221 00:17:03,598 --> 00:17:05,078     and are dreaming of winning,     222 00:17:05,118 --> 00:17:06,758         they had won already              two or three at their age.      223 00:17:06,798 --> 00:17:08,318       Here we have a Lotan Fisher.    224 00:17:08,358 --> 00:17:11,518      One of the young star players                   of Israel.             225 00:17:11,518 --> 00:17:13,358        They just kept winning                    major events,            226 00:17:13,398 --> 00:17:14,718         him and his partner.         227 00:17:14,758 --> 00:17:16,238            It seemed like                   they never lost almost.       228 00:17:16,558 --> 00:17:18,158         They were considered         229 00:17:18,158 --> 00:17:20,398         one of the very best              partnerships in the world.      230 00:17:20,398 --> 00:17:22,718         And they were in all                of the bridge magazines       231 00:17:22,718 --> 00:17:24,558             on the covers                  of the bridge magazines.       232 00:17:24,558 --> 00:17:26,198      And they were famous, yeah.     233 00:17:26,198 --> 00:17:28,558            Me and my partner                  had a very nice defense       234 00:17:28,558 --> 00:17:30,678             at the first day                     of the tournament          235 00:17:30,918 --> 00:17:32,518  the declarant was very surprised  236 00:17:32,558 --> 00:17:34,358             when my partner                     won with the queen.         237 00:17:34,598 --> 00:17:36,078               It was nice.            238 00:17:44,798 --> 00:17:48,638          When I play bridge,               I see nothing than that.       239 00:17:49,638 --> 00:17:51,638           This is something                  that is in my blood.         240 00:17:53,638 --> 00:17:56,158       The game takes out of me,      241 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:57,838         the best part of me.         242 00:17:59,398 --> 00:18:00,838       I think he liked winning.      243 00:18:00,838 --> 00:18:02,518              And I think                     he liked being right,        244 00:18:02,558 --> 00:18:05,118         and I think he liked                    being smarter,            245 00:18:05,118 --> 00:18:06,998         and I think he liked                     being better.            246 00:18:06,998 --> 00:18:09,238         You just sort of felt             that way by looking at him      247 00:18:09,238 --> 00:18:11,198     just the way he walked around             and carried himself         248 00:18:11,198 --> 00:18:12,918       that he seemed arrogant.       249 00:18:12,918 --> 00:18:16,438      Like he had an "I'm better         then you" kind of look to him.    250 00:18:18,038 --> 00:18:19,998     You can tell at a young age,         he was very full of himself.     251 00:18:20,038 --> 00:18:21,638     Like you need to be the best.    252 00:18:21,638 --> 00:18:23,198     You're smarter than everyone     253 00:18:23,638 --> 00:18:26,078        because they're idiots              and you're a genius.           254 00:18:27,918 --> 00:18:30,358          This is gonna sound                 very, very fucked up.        255 00:18:30,398 --> 00:18:32,358      But if you invest too much      256 00:18:32,358 --> 00:18:34,558              in the idea                  of other people adoring you     257 00:18:34,558 --> 00:18:36,638     or liking you or loving you,     258 00:18:36,638 --> 00:18:37,958        you're never gonna win.       259 00:18:37,958 --> 00:18:39,598  You're never gonna get anywhere.  260 00:18:39,598 --> 00:18:42,158      And this is the best lesson          in the world playing bridge     261 00:18:42,158 --> 00:18:44,958           because it's not                  about others approving.       262 00:18:46,038 --> 00:18:47,598      It's a little bit arrogant,     263 00:18:47,598 --> 00:18:49,758    but I don't want to compromise    264 00:18:49,798 --> 00:18:53,958           and to be one out                of thousands programmers,      265 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:57,718         one out of thousands                 financial analyzers.         266 00:18:57,918 --> 00:19:01,838        I want to be the best,               the best in the world.        267 00:19:01,838 --> 00:19:04,158             And the winners                      of the Gold medal          268 00:19:04,158 --> 00:19:05,918          is the team of Israel.       269 00:19:05,958 --> 00:19:09,958           [Crowd cheering]           270 00:19:13,158 --> 00:19:15,358       I remember I spoke to our            sponsor Richie Schwartz,       271 00:19:15,358 --> 00:19:17,918        and he said, oh, he had            this new team from Israel.      272 00:19:17,918 --> 00:19:19,358     They had really good results.    273 00:19:19,398 --> 00:19:22,358           So that's, to me,             sounded like really good idea.    274 00:19:22,398 --> 00:19:24,758        So I remember speaking                to Lotan on the phone        275 00:19:24,798 --> 00:19:25,798          on Richie's phone.          276 00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:26,998          And I was like wow.         277 00:19:27,638 --> 00:19:29,358       I knew Boye from books.        278 00:19:29,358 --> 00:19:31,598       I knew Boye from stories.      279 00:19:31,598 --> 00:19:34,238           He was a big star                   in the bridge world         280 00:19:34,838 --> 00:19:37,878           and he offered us                    to join his team.          281 00:19:38,078 --> 00:19:39,878          We just said, yes.          282 00:19:39,918 --> 00:19:42,038         We were just waiting                   for that chance.           283 00:19:42,038 --> 00:19:45,078    What I remember was that Lotan,       he was very keen on playing     284 00:19:45,678 --> 00:19:48,678         on that team with us          with me and my partner Espen.      285 00:19:48,878 --> 00:19:51,638       I was calling my friends                  and my parents,           286 00:19:51,638 --> 00:19:55,398    my girlfriend, I told everybody          that Boye called me.         287 00:19:55,398 --> 00:19:58,318        I think he's one of the            biggest talents in bridge.      288 00:19:58,638 --> 00:20:00,078         Top top player to me.        289 00:20:01,838 --> 00:20:04,598         From the first moment               we became good friends.       290 00:20:07,158 --> 00:20:10,278            In 2013, 2014,            291 00:20:10,278 --> 00:20:12,878         when we were playing             on the Richie Schwartz team,     292 00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:14,238        we had an amazing run,        293 00:20:14,438 --> 00:20:17,478           [Crowd cheering]                  we won three nationals.       294 00:20:17,478 --> 00:20:19,878  We won a lot of European events.  295 00:20:19,878 --> 00:20:21,118            We played well.           296 00:20:37,478 --> 00:20:39,238          You are very young.         297 00:20:39,278 --> 00:20:42,958    You're earning a lot of money,        staying in expensive hotels,     298 00:20:43,798 --> 00:20:45,838       going to expensive                         restaurants,             299 00:20:45,878 --> 00:20:49,318       hanging out with the most          richest people in the world.     300 00:20:49,318 --> 00:20:50,678      They're like your friends,      301 00:20:50,878 --> 00:20:53,078              at some way                    they are admiring you,        302 00:20:53,078 --> 00:20:55,398          your bridge skills                and they're coming to you      303 00:20:55,438 --> 00:20:56,798         to ask you questions         304 00:20:56,798 --> 00:20:59,638           and they want you                to be part of their team.      305 00:21:00,638 --> 00:21:02,598         If you're a very good                   bridge player,            306 00:21:02,598 --> 00:21:05,678        you can be pretty rich,                   you get paid             307 00:21:05,678 --> 00:21:07,998        over 2000 bucks a day,        308 00:21:08,038 --> 00:21:10,598         just playing bridge,                    travel around.            309 00:21:11,118 --> 00:21:15,198       If you're extremely good,           making a six figure salary      310 00:21:15,198 --> 00:21:19,238      is not that difficult to do           as a professional player       311 00:21:19,278 --> 00:21:23,158       and the best ones making          half a million dollars a year.    312 00:21:23,158 --> 00:21:25,438        There's a lot of money                   at stake here.            313 00:21:25,758 --> 00:21:27,958        The difference between             being one of the top pairs      314 00:21:27,998 --> 00:21:30,238             in the world                  and just being pretty good      315 00:21:30,438 --> 00:21:34,038      is worth tens, hundreds of          thousands of dollars a year.     316 00:21:34,038 --> 00:21:36,678         So there's definitely                a financial incentive        317 00:21:36,718 --> 00:21:38,278         to win at all costs.         318 00:21:40,038 --> 00:21:45,678           This is something                    very, very good,           319 00:21:45,678 --> 00:21:50,158     but could be very dangerous.     320 00:21:54,038 --> 00:21:59,198     In 2015, we got another offer              from Jimmy Cayne.          321 00:22:00,358 --> 00:22:04,518       He called us and he said,               "I'm Jimmy Cayne."          322 00:22:04,558 --> 00:22:05,718          And when he said it         323 00:22:05,758 --> 00:22:07,678            I already knew                     he is Jimmy Cayne.          324 00:22:08,278 --> 00:22:11,798     James Cayne, a notorious CEO                of Bear Stearns           325 00:22:11,838 --> 00:22:13,998            was worth more                   than a billion dollars        326 00:22:14,038 --> 00:22:16,038    but it all came crashing down,    327 00:22:16,038 --> 00:22:20,598      when Bear Stearns subprime         investment bubble burst in 2007  328 00:22:20,598 --> 00:22:23,878       critics claim that while           Bear Stearns was burning up,     329 00:22:23,878 --> 00:22:26,718          Cayne was literally                    playing bridge.           330 00:22:26,758 --> 00:22:29,918    It was a big compliment for us         to get an offer from Jimmy.     331 00:22:30,798 --> 00:22:33,518           And I knew                       that we're gonna be his.       332 00:22:36,198 --> 00:22:38,038        Boye was a little bit                    angry with me.            333 00:22:38,238 --> 00:22:40,438      He felt that he was the one                  to deserve              334 00:22:40,478 --> 00:22:42,398      to get this kind of offer.      335 00:22:42,398 --> 00:22:46,038    It's a better offer and better          money, better teammates.       336 00:22:46,878 --> 00:22:50,998    He said, I played 10, 15 years            more than those guys.        337 00:22:50,998 --> 00:22:53,598        "When they didn't know                 how to hold cards,          338 00:22:53,638 --> 00:22:55,798          I was already been                 Bermuda Bowl champion.        339 00:22:55,798 --> 00:22:57,078        How come they get it?"        340 00:22:57,078 --> 00:22:59,078          I felt really bad.          341 00:22:59,118 --> 00:23:00,278            First for him.            342 00:23:00,518 --> 00:23:02,438      Second for our friendship.      343 00:23:02,438 --> 00:23:04,478       Third for me, my partner.      344 00:23:04,758 --> 00:23:06,998        No matter what is going            to happen with this story,      345 00:23:07,038 --> 00:23:09,198      things are not going to be                 the same again.           346 00:23:16,198 --> 00:23:19,278             Mike Benson live                  from the 2015 Spingold.       347 00:23:19,278 --> 00:23:21,598       We've had some intense days                 here in Chicago           348 00:23:21,638 --> 00:23:24,118        featuring a record number               of over 10,000 players       349 00:23:24,158 --> 00:23:26,798       and 64 international teams.     350 00:23:28,838 --> 00:23:30,638              I remember,                    on the way to Chicago,        351 00:23:30,678 --> 00:23:32,278          I was very excited.         352 00:23:33,278 --> 00:23:35,878           The whole flight,                 you talk about bridge.        353 00:23:35,878 --> 00:23:37,398         My heart was pumping.        354 00:23:37,398 --> 00:23:39,838       We had a lot of pressure                 on our shoulders.          355 00:23:41,638 --> 00:23:43,558           You're gonna see                      10,000 players            356 00:23:43,558 --> 00:23:45,038    the best players in the world,    357 00:23:45,038 --> 00:23:46,638       and you're gonna compete                   against them.            358 00:23:47,038 --> 00:23:50,238        As higher that you get                    in the stages            359 00:23:50,278 --> 00:23:51,518        your opponents gonna be       360 00:23:51,518 --> 00:23:53,918          tougher and tougher               and tougher and tougher.       361 00:23:53,918 --> 00:23:57,798          Ex-world champions,                ex-nationals champions.       362 00:23:57,838 --> 00:24:00,038             This guy won                    the national 14 times.        363 00:24:00,038 --> 00:24:02,838          This guy 20 times,                 no matter where you go        364 00:24:02,878 --> 00:24:05,278     you see champions, champions,            champions around you.        365 00:24:06,878 --> 00:24:09,598           You have to bleed                 if you want to survive.       366 00:24:11,198 --> 00:24:14,238             On Spingold,                    you start a round of 64       367 00:24:14,238 --> 00:24:16,558         and you're gonna play                   the whole day.            368 00:24:17,118 --> 00:24:22,438         And then you qualify               for the 32 and 16 and 8.       369 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:24,998     You're bleeding and bleeding.    370 00:24:26,078 --> 00:24:29,638           And I already saw             that if we are going to qualify  371 00:24:29,638 --> 00:24:31,958           for the quarters,                    there is a chance          372 00:24:31,958 --> 00:24:34,438       that we are going to play             against Boye Brogeland.       373 00:24:37,998 --> 00:24:39,878             It's all coming                  down to the quarter finals     374 00:24:39,918 --> 00:24:41,918              with the eight                  top ranking teams fighting     375 00:24:41,918 --> 00:24:43,798      for their spots in the semis.    376 00:24:43,838 --> 00:24:47,238        All eyes are on the Cayne       and Schwartz knockouts tomorrow    377 00:24:47,278 --> 00:24:50,158  where title holder Lotan Fisher               and Boye Brogeland         378 00:24:50,158 --> 00:24:53,038          are facing each other         for the first time as opponents,  379 00:24:53,038 --> 00:24:54,878          right here in Chicago.       380 00:24:55,358 --> 00:24:57,598            The Cayne team               that Lotan and Ron had gone to    381 00:24:57,598 --> 00:25:00,398             and our team                we both reached quarter final.    382 00:25:00,398 --> 00:25:01,798     And then this quarter final,     383 00:25:01,798 --> 00:25:03,198         we are actually going                 to play each other.         384 00:25:03,198 --> 00:25:05,838      That night before the match                 against them,            385 00:25:05,998 --> 00:25:08,718         that's the only thing           that people were talking about.  386 00:25:08,718 --> 00:25:10,718              The two had                    a fantastic last season       387 00:25:10,718 --> 00:25:12,918           playing alongside                  for Richie Schwartz.         388 00:25:12,918 --> 00:25:14,438     But now Brogeland and Fisher     389 00:25:14,438 --> 00:25:18,078           are in a showdown               for a place in the finals.      390 00:25:18,078 --> 00:25:20,838          It was like a match                to decide who is bigger       391 00:25:20,838 --> 00:25:22,438       LeBron or Michael Jordan.      392 00:25:22,758 --> 00:25:24,798     I felt like all my body, like    393 00:25:26,438 --> 00:25:27,558              you know...             394 00:25:28,238 --> 00:25:30,838            I remember that            I looked at myself in the mirror  395 00:25:30,878 --> 00:25:33,438            and I shouted,                       "Showtime baby.           396 00:25:33,678 --> 00:25:34,998          It's showtime baby,         397 00:25:35,038 --> 00:25:36,238             now it's time                     to prove yourself."         398 00:25:44,078 --> 00:25:46,078          When I play bridge,         399 00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:49,678       I feel like I'm fighting                in the ring boxing.         400 00:25:49,678 --> 00:25:52,398           Fisher and Schwartz                   walking a tightrope         401 00:25:52,398 --> 00:25:55,918        as they declare a contract                of five no trump.          402 00:25:56,278 --> 00:25:58,718    Sees someone who's very sharp.    403 00:25:58,758 --> 00:26:00,478           His eyes shining,          404 00:26:00,518 --> 00:26:02,158    like he's not going to give up    405 00:26:02,158 --> 00:26:03,718        A very interesting kickoff     406 00:26:03,718 --> 00:26:06,718            with Lotan leading                with the king of diamonds.     407 00:26:06,718 --> 00:26:08,238     I think it's very interesting    408 00:26:08,238 --> 00:26:11,438     how something as unimportant           in a way as a card game,       409 00:26:11,438 --> 00:26:15,838        how deeply it can get                 rooted in yourself.          410 00:26:16,918 --> 00:26:18,398            Playing a hand            411 00:26:18,398 --> 00:26:20,118       and knowing that I played              that hand perfectly.         412 00:26:20,118 --> 00:26:22,118    That's the greatest excitement                   for me.               413 00:26:22,118 --> 00:26:23,998     And Boye is back in business,    414 00:26:24,038 --> 00:26:26,718             as he tackles                 this three hearts contract      415 00:26:26,758 --> 00:26:28,438    with a finesse made in heaven.    416 00:26:29,238 --> 00:26:32,438         So one of the things                that you you need to do       417 00:26:32,478 --> 00:26:34,998      is to analyze the situation     418 00:26:34,998 --> 00:26:37,238     and you need to calculate it                 very quickly.            419 00:26:37,278 --> 00:26:41,798      And this is something that         people think that I'm the best.  420 00:26:43,078 --> 00:26:45,758           Lotan just throwing                       a hail Mary             421 00:26:45,758 --> 00:26:47,438        as he plays a seven heart      422 00:26:47,958 --> 00:26:50,678             just to be saved                   by his partner's ace.        423 00:26:50,678 --> 00:26:53,278        I mean, sometimes they              don't understand as well       424 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:56,598          how my brain works,          'cause people like to think that  425 00:26:56,638 --> 00:26:58,038      bridge is only about math.      426 00:26:58,038 --> 00:26:59,918     You cannot use any instincts     427 00:26:59,958 --> 00:27:03,118          and you cannot use              any reading of the situation     428 00:27:03,118 --> 00:27:04,998         which I don't agree.         429 00:27:05,318 --> 00:27:07,838              An absolutely                        remarkable move.          430 00:27:08,398 --> 00:27:10,798       You have so many choices                to make in bridge.          431 00:27:10,798 --> 00:27:12,998         When you make choices            of the choices of the choices    432 00:27:12,998 --> 00:27:14,598             and you play                    day after day after day       433 00:27:14,598 --> 00:27:17,678            it's very easy                   that you make mistakes.       434 00:27:18,278 --> 00:27:21,998      You sit there and you know       you made like a silly mistake.     435 00:27:21,998 --> 00:27:23,758     It's a really emotional game.    436 00:27:23,758 --> 00:27:25,598               You know                     that it's really hurting.      437 00:27:25,598 --> 00:27:27,038       You feel it to your bone.      438 00:27:27,078 --> 00:27:29,678            Another gutsy play                    by Fisher-Schwartz         439 00:27:29,718 --> 00:27:33,558          making bold moves that            turn out paying off big time.    440 00:27:34,638 --> 00:27:36,918              The two teams                    are headed for collision      441 00:27:36,958 --> 00:27:38,998                under now,                    just pounding each other.      442 00:27:39,038 --> 00:27:41,438              It becomes                    a very very tough match,       443 00:27:41,438 --> 00:27:43,518         like very tight much.        444 00:27:45,838 --> 00:27:47,998     And you start getting tired.     445 00:27:53,358 --> 00:27:55,038            That was ruthless,         446 00:27:55,078 --> 00:27:58,638       Lotan dropping the ball here           as he loses this contract.     447 00:27:59,718 --> 00:28:01,718            It will come down                     to single digits,          448 00:28:01,718 --> 00:28:05,318       as both Fisher and Brogeland         refuse to give up their place    449 00:28:05,318 --> 00:28:07,238              in the semis.            450 00:28:14,598 --> 00:28:16,758          And it's finally over.       451 00:28:16,758 --> 00:28:19,158                Both teams                   are now holding their breath    452 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:23,198       as the tournament directors            calculate the final score.     453 00:28:25,798 --> 00:28:27,278       What always frightens me,      454 00:28:27,278 --> 00:28:29,998      is the day that I will feel               that I get worse           455 00:28:30,038 --> 00:28:31,798          that I'm not on top                  of my game anymore.         456 00:28:31,798 --> 00:28:35,598     The day I really realized now        it's just downhill from here.    457 00:28:35,638 --> 00:28:37,358           and that will be                     extremely tough.           458 00:28:40,038 --> 00:28:42,958       At this moment, we're still             waiting for the results       459 00:28:43,358 --> 00:28:45,758           of the last matches                    in the final round         460 00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:47,638            of the open teams.         461 00:29:09,918 --> 00:29:14,638  After 12 hours of playing bridge           with high pressure          462 00:29:14,638 --> 00:29:18,198        the score was 159, 158.       463 00:29:18,638 --> 00:29:20,958          We lost by one IMP.         464 00:29:25,198 --> 00:29:26,678          We lost by one IMP.         465 00:29:27,758 --> 00:29:28,998              I believe.              466 00:29:30,238 --> 00:29:33,638           Gutting. Gutting.          467 00:29:35,038 --> 00:29:38,398      There's no smallest margin                   than that.              468 00:29:38,958 --> 00:29:42,958        That happens maybe once                  in 1000 matches           469 00:29:45,198 --> 00:29:46,718            I felt so bad.            470 00:29:47,158 --> 00:29:50,158      First tournament I'm losing           on the quarterfinals           471 00:29:50,678 --> 00:29:54,958      and not just losing on the         quarterfinals for being unlucky  472 00:29:54,958 --> 00:29:56,478          or whatever it is.          473 00:29:57,558 --> 00:29:59,478     I'm losing to Boye Brogeland.    474 00:30:02,038 --> 00:30:03,558    It was very interesting match.    475 00:30:03,558 --> 00:30:05,158        And I thought we played              like me and my partner,       476 00:30:05,198 --> 00:30:07,278      I thought we played great,      477 00:30:07,278 --> 00:30:09,478             it was really                  one of our best matches.       478 00:30:09,638 --> 00:30:11,718           Good luck, guys.                   -Thank you very much.        479 00:30:11,918 --> 00:30:14,758          He was so excited,                    he was so happy.           480 00:30:14,758 --> 00:30:17,478      He went out like high five      481 00:30:17,518 --> 00:30:19,438         every person he saw,         482 00:30:19,678 --> 00:30:21,398      he was so proud of himself,     483 00:30:22,118 --> 00:30:23,878  but he didn't know one thing.      484 00:30:27,998 --> 00:30:30,598             In our table,                  we called to the director      485 00:30:30,638 --> 00:30:33,878            about some move                  that our opponents made       486 00:30:33,878 --> 00:30:36,718      that we thought that might      487 00:30:36,718 --> 00:30:38,958         change some decision                     in the game.             488 00:30:39,278 --> 00:30:42,278         And that might change            the all result of the match.     489 00:30:43,398 --> 00:30:45,558              And we went                   to the appeal committee.       490 00:30:46,238 --> 00:30:49,598      Our teammates told me that         they never won an appeal before  491 00:30:49,598 --> 00:30:51,758        all the time they were                playing for 50 years,        492 00:30:51,798 --> 00:30:54,438        they lost the European            Championship, World Champions    493 00:30:54,438 --> 00:30:56,518          all the tournaments                  because of appeals.         494 00:30:57,278 --> 00:31:00,718     I told them, you never played             with Lotan Fisher.          495 00:31:00,758 --> 00:31:02,158         I'm going to appeal.         496 00:31:07,958 --> 00:31:09,238         The appeals committee                 is in a tough spot.         497 00:31:09,238 --> 00:31:10,878         No one wants to have                  to decide the fate          498 00:31:10,878 --> 00:31:11,838         of a match like that.        499 00:31:11,878 --> 00:31:13,398      I was away from the table.      500 00:31:15,398 --> 00:31:18,078          So this appeal now                 goes on about midnight.       501 00:31:18,078 --> 00:31:20,078       I think the final result                 I think is about           502 00:31:20,078 --> 00:31:21,798  1:30 in the middle of the night,  503 00:31:21,798 --> 00:31:26,238    and we wait and suddenly I see        Lotan coming out of the room.    504 00:31:27,318 --> 00:31:30,318         The appeal committee              decided that we were right      505 00:31:30,318 --> 00:31:32,878     about some of our arguments.     506 00:31:33,318 --> 00:31:36,798        So they decided that we            deserved to get two points.     507 00:31:40,838 --> 00:31:42,198        I couldn't believe it.        508 00:31:42,678 --> 00:31:44,918      I just won Boye Brogeland.      509 00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:56,798        We started to shout...        510 00:31:56,838 --> 00:32:01,278                 Yes!                        We won, we won, we won.       511 00:32:19,158 --> 00:32:22,638       I've had a few bad losses                   in my life,             512 00:32:22,998 --> 00:32:26,758        but that was one of the           toughest, and I was so hurt.     513 00:32:26,758 --> 00:32:28,678  I remember just looking at Allan  514 00:32:28,678 --> 00:32:31,118     and Richie we had all played,               we all fought,            515 00:32:31,158 --> 00:32:33,558        yeah that felt really,                     really bad.             516 00:32:33,598 --> 00:32:37,518     So it was 1:30 in the morning    517 00:32:37,518 --> 00:32:40,038         and I couldn't sleep               because I was so gutted.       518 00:32:41,038 --> 00:32:42,478           And I said, okay,          519 00:32:42,478 --> 00:32:43,878        I'll go and have a look                at the other table,         520 00:32:43,878 --> 00:32:45,278        how we lost this match.       521 00:32:47,878 --> 00:32:49,158    So I just went to my computer,    522 00:32:49,198 --> 00:32:51,118    and had to look what happened.    523 00:32:55,998 --> 00:32:59,678       And yeah, I just scrolled            through and look at some,      524 00:32:59,678 --> 00:33:01,158         and that was strange.        525 00:33:02,398 --> 00:33:05,158        There was a hand where             it was so clear in my view.     526 00:33:05,198 --> 00:33:08,158      And I think that of the top         hundred players in the world     527 00:33:08,198 --> 00:33:11,038      at least 99 would have led                    a heart.               528 00:33:12,838 --> 00:33:15,718     But Ron, led something else,     529 00:33:16,598 --> 00:33:18,158       I said that was strange,       530 00:33:18,198 --> 00:33:21,238     I said why is this happening?    531 00:33:22,038 --> 00:33:24,038       I know how good a player                      he is.                532 00:33:25,198 --> 00:33:27,078        And that's how it kind               of really got started.        533 00:33:27,078 --> 00:33:29,918        We felt that something                     was astray.             534 00:33:33,398 --> 00:33:36,078            I thought, okay                    I'll go to the bar.         535 00:33:36,678 --> 00:33:39,558     While I was talking to people     and then I met Bobby Levin,        536 00:33:39,558 --> 00:33:41,518        they said, "Oh did you              see how they cheated you       537 00:33:41,558 --> 00:33:42,878           "on that board?"           538 00:33:43,198 --> 00:33:47,038           I see this hand,              that Lotan Fisher cheats Boye,    539 00:33:47,038 --> 00:33:49,598  so blatantly, it's unbelievable.  540 00:33:49,638 --> 00:33:52,678        And he is going through               the hand and furious.        541 00:33:52,878 --> 00:33:54,678  To me, here something was wrong.  542 00:33:55,278 --> 00:33:58,198     An Israeli guy, he asked me,          "Oh, have you seen the hand     543 00:33:58,198 --> 00:34:00,078          "under they played                against this Dutch pair."      544 00:34:00,078 --> 00:34:01,278    "No, I haven't seen any hand",    545 00:34:01,278 --> 00:34:02,718    "Oh, you should see that hand,    546 00:34:02,718 --> 00:34:04,758             it's clearly,                clear that they're cheating."    547 00:34:05,598 --> 00:34:09,038     They mentioned YouTube videos        that I could go and look at.     548 00:34:09,318 --> 00:34:14,318    You see Lotan coughing to give         certain information to Ron.     549 00:34:14,958 --> 00:34:16,718            Is it cheating?           550 00:34:16,758 --> 00:34:19,238      So you can't have a way of         communicating with your partner  551 00:34:19,238 --> 00:34:22,118          that your opponents               have no knowledge about.       552 00:34:22,758 --> 00:34:25,958     These are the most important          rule about ethics in bridge     553 00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:27,878       and what everybody thinks      554 00:34:27,878 --> 00:34:29,838          that they had a way                    to communicate            555 00:34:29,838 --> 00:34:31,478       to each other information      556 00:34:31,478 --> 00:34:32,838       the people wouldn't know.      557 00:34:33,638 --> 00:34:36,398      There were rumors about it           among expert bridge players     558 00:34:36,438 --> 00:34:37,198           for a long time.           559 00:34:37,878 --> 00:34:39,878     It seemed like everybody knew       that these guys were cheating.    560 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:41,238             When you know                      they're cheating,          561 00:34:41,278 --> 00:34:42,958            why haven't you                      done anything?            562 00:34:42,958 --> 00:34:45,438         You must do something           when you know they're cheating.  563 00:34:46,558 --> 00:34:48,798        You can't accuse people                    of cheating             564 00:34:48,798 --> 00:34:52,278       unless you can absolutely                    prove it.              565 00:34:52,278 --> 00:34:54,318  Let's say I turn to them and go,  566 00:34:54,478 --> 00:34:57,398    "You fucking guys are cheating.       You think I don't know it?"     567 00:34:57,398 --> 00:35:00,838    The organizers will immediately       ban us from the tournament.     568 00:35:02,038 --> 00:35:04,438       There's too much cheating                    going on.              569 00:35:04,438 --> 00:35:05,718          And it had to stop.         570 00:35:05,718 --> 00:35:07,518         It had to go outside               of the official channels.      571 00:35:07,558 --> 00:35:09,438             Like the shit                     had to hit the fan.         572 00:35:15,358 --> 00:35:17,878    If other people are not doing,           I need to do something.       573 00:35:17,878 --> 00:35:19,158         This cannot continue.        574 00:35:28,358 --> 00:35:31,638     I remember that after we beat         Boye on the quarter finals,     575 00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:35,198       he came at the middle of            the match to our opponents      576 00:35:35,198 --> 00:35:37,078           and he told them,                 "You have to withdraw.        577 00:35:37,278 --> 00:35:38,998      You have to stop playing."      578 00:35:39,958 --> 00:35:41,838      It was at the lunch break.      579 00:35:42,358 --> 00:35:45,238         Brogeland came to me,              starting to shout at me,       580 00:35:45,278 --> 00:35:47,158      "You're a cheater, cheater.     581 00:35:47,158 --> 00:35:49,518           You know exactly                 what I'm talking about."       582 00:35:49,558 --> 00:35:51,238             It was almost                     a fight over there.         583 00:35:51,478 --> 00:35:54,998      I wanted to tell him like,            "Boye, the match is over.      584 00:35:55,518 --> 00:35:57,758       We can be friends again,                    it's over.              585 00:35:57,758 --> 00:36:00,838      You don't have to keep with        the trash talk and everything."  586 00:36:02,238 --> 00:36:04,038          And sometimes you just              got to do the right thing.     587 00:36:04,038 --> 00:36:05,478           They shouldn't have                      played there.            588 00:36:05,518 --> 00:36:07,118          They should have been                     disqualified.            589 00:36:07,118 --> 00:36:09,158              I don't think                     the organizers realize       590 00:36:09,198 --> 00:36:11,398           how much the players                 care about fair game.        591 00:36:11,438 --> 00:36:15,278     He went to each bridge player              and spoke to him           592 00:36:15,278 --> 00:36:17,238             and told him                   we have to kick them out.      593 00:36:17,278 --> 00:36:19,958       This is very, very important                for the players.          594 00:36:19,998 --> 00:36:21,358           So what is the proof                     against them?            595 00:36:21,358 --> 00:36:22,598              I saw it just-           596 00:36:22,598 --> 00:36:24,118          When you know you see        597 00:36:24,118 --> 00:36:26,238           Even if other people                     can't see it,            598 00:36:26,238 --> 00:36:27,958        When you know it yourself,     599 00:36:27,958 --> 00:36:29,878      you investigate it thoroughly             and you just know it.        600 00:36:29,878 --> 00:36:31,438  As a bridge player, you know it.  601 00:36:31,918 --> 00:36:34,398          I don't understand                   cheating in bridge,         602 00:36:34,398 --> 00:36:35,638       I just don't understand.       603 00:36:35,678 --> 00:36:38,718      It's such a darn hard game                    to learn.              604 00:36:39,038 --> 00:36:40,598      And then you have to learn                    the game               605 00:36:40,638 --> 00:36:42,038     and then learn how to cheat.     606 00:36:42,038 --> 00:36:44,798        I mean, that just seems                 impossible to me.          607 00:36:49,798 --> 00:36:52,278             When we lost                     to Jimmy Cayne's team        608 00:36:52,278 --> 00:36:53,998      that was the quarter-final.     609 00:36:53,998 --> 00:36:56,678      And they went on to playing          against the Zimmermann team     610 00:36:56,718 --> 00:36:57,878             in the final.            611 00:36:58,198 --> 00:36:59,878       It had Fantoni and Nunes,      612 00:36:59,918 --> 00:37:02,398      number one, and number two             in the world rankings.        613 00:37:02,438 --> 00:37:04,078  And they play Cayne in the final  614 00:37:04,318 --> 00:37:05,918            and Cayne won.            615 00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:08,198           So Lotan and Ron                   won that tournament.         616 00:37:08,198 --> 00:37:09,678        This Spingold of 2015.        617 00:37:09,718 --> 00:37:12,878           [Crowd cheering]           618 00:37:12,918 --> 00:37:15,438        I see him out in front                of a crowd of people.        619 00:37:15,438 --> 00:37:16,918            I go up to him.           620 00:37:16,958 --> 00:37:20,158           I say, "So Lotan,           this hand you had the other day.  621 00:37:20,398 --> 00:37:23,038        What were you thinking              when you made this play?"      622 00:37:23,438 --> 00:37:25,718            And he couldn't                     even answer me,            623 00:37:25,758 --> 00:37:29,038     this fast thinking smart guy.    624 00:37:30,398 --> 00:37:32,758         There are many things               that I cannot explain.        625 00:37:33,118 --> 00:37:35,798        And this is one of the                problems that people         626 00:37:35,798 --> 00:37:37,718         they can't accept it.        627 00:37:37,758 --> 00:37:39,158      Like, why did you do that?      628 00:37:39,158 --> 00:37:42,078      Why did you know to do that                 and I didn't?            629 00:37:42,318 --> 00:37:44,678     My intuition made me do that     630 00:37:44,678 --> 00:37:46,838       but this is not an answer               that people accept.         631 00:37:49,758 --> 00:37:52,598           So I said to him,              in front of a lot of people,     632 00:37:52,958 --> 00:37:56,478           "You just proved              what a fucking cheat you are."    633 00:37:56,918 --> 00:38:00,918     And he said, "I will sue you            for a million dollars."       634 00:38:01,958 --> 00:38:04,798              And I said,                  "When they find you guilty      635 00:38:04,798 --> 00:38:06,038    you won't be able to collect."    636 00:38:16,118 --> 00:38:20,078       So now, I went back home              and I spoke to my wife.       637 00:38:20,118 --> 00:38:22,798        She had talked to Lotan               when I was in Chicago        638 00:38:22,838 --> 00:38:24,518            and Lotan said,                     "Oh Boye's crazy.          639 00:38:24,518 --> 00:38:26,238           "He's accusing me                   of this and that."          640 00:38:26,238 --> 00:38:28,278    "And I never seen him like this       before", Lotan told my wife     641 00:38:28,318 --> 00:38:31,358      she said, "Oh he just needs              to calm down a bit          642 00:38:31,358 --> 00:38:32,678         after losing to you,"        643 00:38:32,678 --> 00:38:34,078        or something like that,                 that he's, yeah.           644 00:38:34,318 --> 00:38:36,238       So we're going back home                   from Chicago             645 00:38:36,278 --> 00:38:38,958         we know that there is                   a little buzz.            646 00:38:38,958 --> 00:38:40,958         People are gossiping,        647 00:38:41,238 --> 00:38:44,998       but this is not something            we weren't aware before.       648 00:38:45,038 --> 00:38:47,518     People were talking about us                 all the time.            649 00:38:47,558 --> 00:38:50,158       But every time they were           speaking about us for a week     650 00:38:50,398 --> 00:38:53,598           and it's passing,                      week, passing            651 00:38:53,598 --> 00:38:56,398      and that's what we thought             is gonna be this time.        652 00:39:02,398 --> 00:39:05,278       And now, I started trying          to get to people that I knew     653 00:39:05,278 --> 00:39:07,438    in the bridge world and saying        that this is what's going on,    654 00:39:07,438 --> 00:39:09,038       We need to do something.       655 00:39:09,038 --> 00:39:11,598         The problem here is that            everybody denies everything.    656 00:39:11,638 --> 00:39:13,958               Nobody wants                       to take any blame.         657 00:39:14,838 --> 00:39:16,478            I sent emails,            658 00:39:16,518 --> 00:39:18,358    I phoned really all my contacts          in the bridge world.         659 00:39:18,358 --> 00:39:20,358         "It's Boye Brogeland                    calling here."            660 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:21,998     "Hi, Steve, it's Boye here."     661 00:39:22,038 --> 00:39:23,918     Have you heard anything from        the ACBL or from other people?    662 00:39:23,918 --> 00:39:25,398      I spoke to the federations      663 00:39:25,398 --> 00:39:27,518       to a guy in the European                  Bridge League.            664 00:39:27,518 --> 00:39:29,598  And his answer to this was that,  665 00:39:30,078 --> 00:39:34,398       "Well, file a complaint.            We'll see what we can do."      666 00:39:34,838 --> 00:39:36,078                 Well,                      you need to do something,      667 00:39:36,118 --> 00:39:38,278     we can't have this happening.    668 00:39:38,278 --> 00:39:40,758        The World Championships            are coming up in two months     669 00:39:40,758 --> 00:39:42,078         from here in Chennai.        670 00:39:42,078 --> 00:39:43,758             Like we need                     to stop this before,         671 00:39:43,758 --> 00:39:45,518            we cannot have                   the World Championships       672 00:39:45,518 --> 00:39:47,318         be tainted by cheats.        673 00:39:47,958 --> 00:39:51,198         Now we have a chance,               we have a great chance        674 00:39:51,798 --> 00:39:53,478         Lets get the Israelis                  and that's fine.           675 00:39:53,478 --> 00:39:54,798        The case with Israelis        676 00:39:54,838 --> 00:39:56,958      that is almost case closed,                 I would say.             677 00:39:58,038 --> 00:39:59,838        Stop covering up here.        678 00:40:01,398 --> 00:40:03,398        But Bob, speak to them,                   speak to them            679 00:40:03,438 --> 00:40:05,798        and let's do something               that's good for bridge.       680 00:40:06,158 --> 00:40:08,278        I got some people here             from a town where I lived.      681 00:40:08,278 --> 00:40:09,798            They helped me.           682 00:40:09,798 --> 00:40:12,918     We were able to set up a site          called bridgecheaters.com      683 00:40:12,958 --> 00:40:15,518       where we provided what we            thought was information,       684 00:40:15,558 --> 00:40:16,918       but of course it was also      685 00:40:16,958 --> 00:40:20,038           accusations about               something illegal going on.     686 00:40:21,638 --> 00:40:23,798            I didn't think                of the consequences, really.     687 00:40:23,838 --> 00:40:25,198            I just thought                   we need to do something       688 00:40:25,198 --> 00:40:27,518              and we know                     we need to do it now.        689 00:40:37,078 --> 00:40:39,558      First day that we launched                  the website,             690 00:40:39,598 --> 00:40:41,318    I think we had a 100,000 hits.    691 00:40:44,718 --> 00:40:46,118     I was the Australian captain     692 00:40:46,118 --> 00:40:47,678       played the transnationals               in the Netherlands          693 00:40:47,718 --> 00:40:51,158    and our team lost the semifinal           to Fisher-Schwartz.         694 00:40:53,198 --> 00:40:54,918  I didn't really think much of it  695 00:40:54,918 --> 00:40:58,158    but when this thing broke with        Fisher and Schawrtz from Boye    696 00:40:58,638 --> 00:41:01,838       I went back and I watched           the match against our team.     697 00:41:01,998 --> 00:41:05,398  And there were at least 15 hands  698 00:41:05,678 --> 00:41:07,518     where weird things happened.     699 00:41:07,558 --> 00:41:09,998     It was like, man, you're one        of the best players I've seen.    700 00:41:10,038 --> 00:41:11,358       You didn't need to cheat.      701 00:41:11,358 --> 00:41:13,078          Like, I didn't know                 why you would do it.         702 00:41:14,158 --> 00:41:16,718       Like, why would you cheat              when you're so good?         703 00:41:19,638 --> 00:41:21,118       There was such an uproar.      704 00:41:21,118 --> 00:41:23,478  It was almost like a revolution.  705 00:41:24,878 --> 00:41:26,918      Top players, medium players     706 00:41:26,958 --> 00:41:28,238      maybe not so good players,      707 00:41:28,238 --> 00:41:30,158       but very keen passionate                  bridge players            708 00:41:30,158 --> 00:41:31,958       express the same feeling.      709 00:41:31,958 --> 00:41:34,078      Cheating should not be part                  of a game.              710 00:41:38,638 --> 00:41:40,318         It exploded for sure.        711 00:41:41,478 --> 00:41:43,918           I'm gonna talk about                 the cheating scandal,        712 00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:45,918           that's been all over                     the internet.            713 00:41:45,918 --> 00:41:48,238          You know where to look                     in websites.            714 00:41:49,478 --> 00:41:52,078        So last month, two players               that Cayne had hired        715 00:41:52,078 --> 00:41:53,798        for his competitive team.      716 00:41:53,798 --> 00:41:55,878           They were accused by             another player on another team  717 00:41:55,918 --> 00:41:57,638               of cheating.            718 00:41:57,638 --> 00:41:59,518  Fisher and Schwartz are denying            the charges vigorously,       719 00:41:59,518 --> 00:42:01,758       but the damage has been done            for the moment at least.      720 00:42:01,758 --> 00:42:03,238           They're not playing.        721 00:42:03,238 --> 00:42:05,558              Cayne, now 81                   is out two top teammates.      722 00:42:05,558 --> 00:42:07,158            And at this point                      in their season,          723 00:42:07,158 --> 00:42:08,798             it could be hard                      to replace them.          724 00:42:08,798 --> 00:42:10,398           And he may even have                      to give back            725 00:42:10,398 --> 00:42:13,038         a big trophy that he won               in Chicago, in August.       726 00:42:20,238 --> 00:42:23,718             Few days ago,                   Mr. Brogeland published       727 00:42:23,758 --> 00:42:25,878       some special gift for me.      728 00:42:25,878 --> 00:42:27,518         He opened a website,         729 00:42:27,758 --> 00:42:29,518          bridgecheaters.com          730 00:42:29,518 --> 00:42:32,398           The greatest scam                in the history of bridge.      731 00:42:32,798 --> 00:42:37,238      Basically the whole website           is like story of our life      732 00:42:37,238 --> 00:42:39,238          and also Brogeland                   and is saying that          733 00:42:39,278 --> 00:42:41,638           for the two years                   he played with us,          734 00:42:41,638 --> 00:42:44,078       people keep telling him,                "They are cheaters,         735 00:42:44,078 --> 00:42:45,838     how can you play with them?"     736 00:42:45,838 --> 00:42:48,438      And he's saying that he was        checking the hands all the time  737 00:42:48,438 --> 00:42:50,838          and he didn't find                  anything suspicious.         738 00:42:51,198 --> 00:42:54,838            And still Boye                      is claiming now,           739 00:42:54,838 --> 00:42:56,878            that we cheated                      on those hands.           740 00:42:58,518 --> 00:43:01,838           It's easy for me                 to speak about it. But...      741 00:43:02,398 --> 00:43:03,558           inside my heart,           742 00:43:03,558 --> 00:43:05,798           you have no idea                  what I'm going through.       743 00:43:05,798 --> 00:43:07,398           It's not so easy.          744 00:43:07,438 --> 00:43:11,598          I'm trying to show                    business as usual          745 00:43:11,638 --> 00:43:12,758        but it's not like that.       746 00:43:12,798 --> 00:43:14,998     It's very difficult to sleep.    747 00:43:15,038 --> 00:43:17,358        It's in your mind 24/7.       748 00:43:18,558 --> 00:43:20,078             I don't know.            749 00:43:20,078 --> 00:43:22,678           It's not so easy                     as it looks like.          750 00:43:32,478 --> 00:43:35,278        I got a warning letter                 from Lotan and Ron.         751 00:43:36,518 --> 00:43:39,158       "Stop all actions on your             part which are harmful        752 00:43:39,198 --> 00:43:40,958         including publication                    of any claim             753 00:43:40,958 --> 00:43:42,358         which is defamatory.         754 00:43:42,358 --> 00:43:44,598          Immediately publish                 a correction, denial,        755 00:43:44,598 --> 00:43:46,318      and apology on any platform     756 00:43:46,318 --> 00:43:48,518           on which you made               the original publications,      757 00:43:48,518 --> 00:43:51,158               including                   on the designated website."     758 00:43:51,438 --> 00:43:55,158        They write compensation             in the sum of $1 million.      759 00:43:55,878 --> 00:43:58,198         It is to be clarified             and nothing in this amount      760 00:43:58,198 --> 00:44:02,438       expresses anything other           than a small part of damages     761 00:44:02,438 --> 00:44:05,958          and mental anguish              which has been caused to me."    762 00:44:07,318 --> 00:44:09,318     To me, this is what's so sad             about the whole thing        763 00:44:09,358 --> 00:44:12,558         that we were friends            in my view, like good friends.    764 00:44:12,598 --> 00:44:14,358       We were all like one big,      765 00:44:14,358 --> 00:44:16,878    and I hope like a happy family                  kind of.               766 00:44:16,878 --> 00:44:19,798     So that's also what's so hard               when you, like            767 00:44:19,838 --> 00:44:22,718           when you realize                that actually your friends      768 00:44:22,918 --> 00:44:24,998        are willing to do this                    against you.             769 00:44:31,838 --> 00:44:33,038    They're entitled to a process.    770 00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:34,638            I know, but...            771 00:44:34,638 --> 00:44:36,878     Don't you think that I think           they are entitled to it?       772 00:44:36,878 --> 00:44:38,158              Absolutely.             773 00:44:38,198 --> 00:44:40,038         But when you know it,                    you know it.             774 00:44:40,078 --> 00:44:41,958            If someone came                      into your house           775 00:44:41,958 --> 00:44:44,638         and you saw that guy,                    you knew him.            776 00:44:44,798 --> 00:44:46,878       It was a friend of yours,                      okay?                777 00:44:46,878 --> 00:44:49,918       And he stole your things                 and he went out.           778 00:44:50,118 --> 00:44:52,398               He stole,                 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.  779 00:44:52,438 --> 00:44:54,358              No, no, no,                   I can't put him in jail.       780 00:44:54,398 --> 00:44:55,878  I'm not putting anybody in jail.  781 00:44:55,878 --> 00:44:57,998         I think that you have                    because you-             782 00:44:57,998 --> 00:44:59,558        I'm having, how can I?        783 00:44:59,558 --> 00:45:02,438        You have convicted them                in a public forum.          784 00:45:02,438 --> 00:45:03,958        You've convicted them.        785 00:45:03,998 --> 00:45:05,438        So you're not entitled               when you saw this thief       786 00:45:05,438 --> 00:45:08,038        that you know, you knew               it was your neighbor.        787 00:45:08,038 --> 00:45:10,438          I know the process,               just go and have a trial.      788 00:45:10,478 --> 00:45:13,598      What do I? I have no power               to judge, no power.         789 00:45:13,598 --> 00:45:16,198         But you have judged.                -No, I haven't judged.        790 00:45:16,198 --> 00:45:19,358            You have judged                   in the public arena.         791 00:45:19,398 --> 00:45:21,758       There's a huge difference                in today's world.          792 00:45:21,798 --> 00:45:23,598    Hello, Giannarigo how are you?    793 00:45:23,638 --> 00:45:25,318          Are you ready now?          794 00:45:33,998 --> 00:45:37,638        It's impossible to take                   any sanction             795 00:45:37,638 --> 00:45:39,998  without the decision of a judge.  796 00:45:40,198 --> 00:45:43,198        If found out something                 got in here, okay,          797 00:45:43,198 --> 00:45:46,838        there's the prosecutor         where they can be guilty or you.  798 00:45:46,878 --> 00:45:48,358         I know a 100 precent         799 00:45:48,358 --> 00:45:50,318         maybe you don't know,                     but I know.             800 00:45:50,358 --> 00:45:52,038      And I understand the game,              I can tell you that.         801 00:45:52,078 --> 00:45:53,678        I understand the game,                     and I know              802 00:45:53,678 --> 00:45:57,478       that these guys have been          cheating big time, big time.     803 00:45:57,518 --> 00:45:59,558      You can be as much lawyers                 as you want to            804 00:45:59,558 --> 00:46:03,158     but if you think that Fisher           and Schwartz didn't cheat      805 00:46:03,358 --> 00:46:05,278           then I must say,              you don't understand the game.    806 00:46:05,318 --> 00:46:07,318         And the problem here                 if there is any case,        807 00:46:07,318 --> 00:46:10,678        the decision has to be             taken by a judge, a judge.      808 00:46:10,718 --> 00:46:12,958                 Why?                       -Why, because is the law.      809 00:46:12,958 --> 00:46:16,438      My attitude is to say that      810 00:46:16,438 --> 00:46:19,878          if they are cheats,                someone sanctions them,       811 00:46:19,878 --> 00:46:21,278     because I can't believe that.    812 00:46:21,318 --> 00:46:23,518          I couldn't believe,              I couldn't believe myself.      813 00:46:23,518 --> 00:46:24,678              It's just,              814 00:46:25,318 --> 00:46:26,998          yeah, okay thanks.          815 00:46:26,998 --> 00:46:28,478           Yeah, thank you.           816 00:46:28,478 --> 00:46:30,078      See you later in the week.           -Yeah, yeah, yeah, hope so.     817 00:46:31,358 --> 00:46:35,158       When the federations saw            how much buzz this created      818 00:46:35,198 --> 00:46:38,798          and saw the uproar                     by the players,           819 00:46:38,798 --> 00:46:41,038      I think they realized that            we need to do something.       820 00:47:34,238 --> 00:47:36,478        And then the day after                 I got an invitation         821 00:47:36,478 --> 00:47:39,318           from the Israeli                    Special Committee.          822 00:47:45,078 --> 00:47:48,678           All of them were                well known bridge players.      823 00:47:48,678 --> 00:47:50,398       Two of them were lawyers,      824 00:47:50,398 --> 00:47:53,958         they put on the table                all the allegations.         825 00:47:53,998 --> 00:47:56,718          Spoke loudly about                    what is going on.          826 00:48:12,358 --> 00:48:15,758        And I remember one guy               of the committee said,        827 00:48:15,758 --> 00:48:19,078    "You two are done with bridge.    828 00:48:19,118 --> 00:48:22,798      The only place that you two        can sit in front of each other    829 00:48:22,838 --> 00:48:25,078         is in the restaurant                     downstairs."             830 00:48:27,038 --> 00:48:30,078         And we we're starting               to get ready for a war.       831 00:48:30,678 --> 00:48:32,398         The war of our life.         832 00:48:36,838 --> 00:48:38,718        These two young players                    come to me              833 00:48:38,758 --> 00:48:41,598     and they say, "Don't believe        anything you're going to read.    834 00:48:41,598 --> 00:48:42,678           We didn't cheat."          835 00:48:42,918 --> 00:48:44,318  "Okay, why should I believe you?  836 00:48:44,358 --> 00:48:46,398              They said,                  "Take us to a lie detector."     837 00:48:46,398 --> 00:48:48,278                I said,                   "Are you willing to do that?     838 00:48:49,278 --> 00:48:51,798       You know if you're going             to fail the lie detector       839 00:48:51,998 --> 00:48:54,998       I would find it very hard           to keep on defending you."      840 00:48:55,318 --> 00:48:57,238              They said,                  "Take us to a lie detector."     841 00:48:59,398 --> 00:49:01,718     So we decided we gonna do it.    842 00:49:01,998 --> 00:49:05,758      It wasn't an easy decision,            especially not for Ron.       843 00:49:07,078 --> 00:49:10,158           Because sometimes                even when you're correct       844 00:49:10,158 --> 00:49:14,398       if you're very emotional,          the results can be different.    845 00:49:14,398 --> 00:49:16,798    So I had to explain him a lot,    846 00:49:16,838 --> 00:49:19,278         that we are innocent                   and don't worry.           847 00:49:22,558 --> 00:49:26,038          Lotan is a, I mean,                 I wouldn't trust him         848 00:49:26,038 --> 00:49:27,838       as far as I could far as           I could throw him obviously,     849 00:49:27,838 --> 00:49:31,438         he's a fast talking,                  fast thinking guy,          850 00:49:31,438 --> 00:49:33,798         who is always looking                to impress everybody         851 00:49:33,838 --> 00:49:37,438        with his quick talking,                  quick analysis.           852 00:49:38,118 --> 00:49:43,198       And Ron Schwartz was very       soft-spoken, almost didn't speak  853 00:49:43,238 --> 00:49:44,678            like a nitwit.            854 00:49:48,638 --> 00:49:52,358            While Lotan was               a gifted player, no question.    855 00:49:52,358 --> 00:49:55,158      Ron is not, not even close.     856 00:49:55,158 --> 00:49:57,358     He wasn't, I don't even know           if he was a good player.       857 00:49:58,798 --> 00:50:01,598  You could tell that he just           didn't quite have the instinct.  858 00:50:01,638 --> 00:50:04,478      He would every now and then                  make a play             859 00:50:04,478 --> 00:50:06,518         that we would say no,                 like it cannot win.         860 00:50:06,558 --> 00:50:08,398        It can only break even                      at best.               861 00:50:08,918 --> 00:50:12,438     The kind of thing that a real     expert player would just not do.  862 00:50:15,518 --> 00:50:17,518       It was the cup in Moscow.      863 00:50:17,518 --> 00:50:22,278      Schwartz lay down contract                on the last board          864 00:50:22,478 --> 00:50:29,798     that 99% of player in the top         100 in the world would win.     865 00:50:31,078 --> 00:50:33,078      He made incredible mistake      866 00:50:33,918 --> 00:50:36,518    and went down with the contract            on the last board          867 00:50:36,518 --> 00:50:38,118         to give us the title.        868 00:50:42,518 --> 00:50:45,118             Ron Schwartz,               he's a terrible bridge player.    869 00:50:45,118 --> 00:50:46,678        It was just impossible        870 00:50:46,678 --> 00:50:48,758            he was winning                   all those tournaments.        871 00:50:50,198 --> 00:50:51,518         So you ask yourself,         872 00:50:51,518 --> 00:50:53,558            why would a guy                     like Lotan Fisher          873 00:50:53,758 --> 00:50:56,518          play with a schlub                   like Ron Schwartz?          874 00:50:57,558 --> 00:50:59,838          Well, there's only                 one logical conclusion,       875 00:50:59,878 --> 00:51:02,358      here's a guy that's willing              to cheat with him.          876 00:51:04,278 --> 00:51:07,598    They were both caught cheating         many times in their youth.      877 00:51:08,598 --> 00:51:10,878         Obviously when he was                    allowed back,            878 00:51:11,198 --> 00:51:12,838             his plan was,            879 00:51:12,878 --> 00:51:16,238        I wanna become rich and             famous playing this game.      880 00:51:16,238 --> 00:51:17,718     Who's gonna do this with me?     881 00:51:19,078 --> 00:51:22,078       He needed to find someone         he could control the brain of,    882 00:51:22,118 --> 00:51:25,478     saying, I think Ron Schwartz        was a perfect victim for this.    883 00:51:30,118 --> 00:51:34,398     What I did to humiliate Ron,                was against us            884 00:51:34,438 --> 00:51:39,358     because when I came in front         of everybody, shouting at him    885 00:51:39,398 --> 00:51:42,518          and tell everybody                     how bad he is,            886 00:51:42,758 --> 00:51:46,398       people started to think,             "How come he's that bad,       887 00:51:46,438 --> 00:51:48,158             and they are                      so good together?"          888 00:51:49,998 --> 00:51:52,238       Sometimes I made mistakes                    as well.               889 00:51:52,278 --> 00:51:55,278        Again, I'm not perfect,               I just thought I am.         890 00:51:55,878 --> 00:52:00,878        And my best way to deal        with that was shouting at him.     891 00:52:01,478 --> 00:52:04,038     And sometimes he was playing                really perfect.           892 00:52:04,318 --> 00:52:07,518        Sometime I was shouting              at him for over tricks        893 00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:12,998       for mistakes that didn't               even cost us nothing.        894 00:52:13,238 --> 00:52:16,678        But when people saw it,                 they thought like          895 00:52:16,678 --> 00:52:18,358     how come they are that good?     896 00:52:18,398 --> 00:52:20,198           How come they're                      so successful?            897 00:52:20,478 --> 00:52:22,078        They must be cheating.        898 00:53:38,478 --> 00:53:40,278  They were asked three questions.  899 00:53:40,758 --> 00:53:44,558       Have you ever at any time           received from your partner,     900 00:53:44,598 --> 00:53:46,118           Mr. Schwartz Ron           901 00:53:46,158 --> 00:53:49,958  information during a bridge game           by means of coughs?         902 00:53:50,798 --> 00:53:52,678     He answered in the negative.     903 00:53:52,998 --> 00:53:55,598       Have you ever at any time             during the bridge game        904 00:53:55,638 --> 00:53:58,518           provided improper                 or illegal information        905 00:53:58,518 --> 00:54:00,278           to your partner,                     Mr. Schwartz Ron?          906 00:54:01,038 --> 00:54:02,838     He answered in the negative.     907 00:54:02,878 --> 00:54:04,438      Have you ever at any time,      908 00:54:04,878 --> 00:54:06,358         during a bridge game,        909 00:54:06,558 --> 00:54:09,438           provided improper                 or illegal information,       910 00:54:09,478 --> 00:54:11,798    by means of a bottle of water?    911 00:54:11,798 --> 00:54:13,478     He answered in the negative.     912 00:54:16,958 --> 00:54:19,558              I remember,                 I didn't want to think about     913 00:54:19,558 --> 00:54:21,358             what comes up                      with the results.          914 00:54:22,158 --> 00:54:26,318       The only thing on my mind              is to clear my name.         915 00:55:19,758 --> 00:55:22,118          I got a phone call                     from my lawyer.           916 00:55:23,078 --> 00:55:24,958    He was asking me if I'm alone.    917 00:55:26,998 --> 00:55:28,598     So I told him, wait a second.    918 00:55:28,598 --> 00:55:30,118            And I went out.           919 00:55:54,318 --> 00:55:58,238        And the lawyer told me           that we passed it, absolutely.    920 00:55:58,958 --> 00:56:01,158  The results were absolutely,       921 00:56:01,158 --> 00:56:02,958         that they're telling                      the truth.              922 00:56:19,598 --> 00:56:21,358           I was so ashamed,          923 00:56:21,358 --> 00:56:24,478            so embarrassed                   about all the situation       924 00:56:24,478 --> 00:56:28,758        because my parents were                  so proud of me            925 00:56:29,398 --> 00:56:30,918       when I was so successful       926 00:56:31,198 --> 00:56:33,398     and then something like that                   comes up               927 00:56:33,758 --> 00:56:36,638      and it's in the newspapers                and everywhere.            928 00:56:36,838 --> 00:56:38,758     Every place they used to go,     929 00:56:38,758 --> 00:56:42,398      "Oh, your son is a cheater,            your son is a cheater."       930 00:57:01,558 --> 00:57:03,758      And we both started to cry.     931 00:57:31,798 --> 00:57:32,798             I don't know.            932 00:57:35,198 --> 00:57:36,478             I don't know.            933 00:57:36,758 --> 00:57:39,358        I don't know that a lie             detector test is a 100%.       934 00:57:39,358 --> 00:57:42,038         I've seen situations                    in my lifetime            935 00:57:42,038 --> 00:57:45,078         where innocent people           have failed lie detector tests.  936 00:57:45,078 --> 00:57:48,838  So I don't see why guilty people          shouldn't pass them.         937 00:57:49,758 --> 00:57:51,398       Isn't a doubt in my mind       938 00:57:51,438 --> 00:57:54,718     passing the lie detector test         doesn't mean a thing to me.     939 00:57:55,278 --> 00:57:58,918  I'm absolutely sure that somehow         they cheated that too.        940 00:58:01,718 --> 00:58:04,798             So what happens,           more evidence coming every day.    941 00:58:04,838 --> 00:58:06,838       Yeah, yeah, we have more             evidence coming every day      942 00:58:06,838 --> 00:58:09,278        because a lot of people               like digging into it.        943 00:58:09,318 --> 00:58:11,918      Like everybody can see that      they're cheating, like big time.  944 00:58:12,118 --> 00:58:14,398      And what do they have left?             The only thing they-         945 00:58:14,558 --> 00:58:17,398       Some people are beside them,                 but you know-            946 00:58:17,398 --> 00:58:19,478       I don't know about that,                 I think like 98%.          947 00:58:21,238 --> 00:58:24,598  The information from these hands            he had looked at           948 00:58:24,598 --> 00:58:26,558            was not enough.           949 00:58:26,798 --> 00:58:28,238         He had damning hands.        950 00:58:28,238 --> 00:58:29,438         He had lots of stuff.        951 00:58:29,878 --> 00:58:33,998         But in of themselves               were not sufficient.           952 00:58:36,118 --> 00:58:38,478       My wife and also friends                 that I had said,           953 00:58:38,478 --> 00:58:40,118              oh you need                     to find the evidence.        954 00:58:40,118 --> 00:58:43,198         And to me that wasn't                    so important.            955 00:58:44,358 --> 00:58:47,958       To me the evidence                 were clear through the hands,    956 00:58:47,958 --> 00:58:51,438      through all the irrational                   non-logical             957 00:58:51,438 --> 00:58:52,718        actions that they took.       958 00:58:52,758 --> 00:58:54,598           This is not like                      proper bridge.            959 00:58:56,998 --> 00:59:00,198     It almost feels like the car           is not in the right gear.      960 00:59:00,198 --> 00:59:02,598       It's like we're playing,                  but we're not,            961 00:59:03,078 --> 00:59:05,238        we're just revving that           there's just something wrong     962 00:59:05,278 --> 00:59:07,838             at the table.                I can't tell you what it is.     963 00:59:08,718 --> 00:59:10,478               Of course                   we couldn't prove anything      964 00:59:10,518 --> 00:59:13,318              but we knew                    they kept doing things        965 00:59:13,318 --> 00:59:15,318         that were impossible.        966 00:59:16,118 --> 00:59:18,998       The hand, that my partner          was very upset with him about    967 00:59:19,038 --> 00:59:21,438              was a hand                     when Lotan led a club,        968 00:59:21,878 --> 00:59:26,158     a correct play based on math          would be to play a diamond.     969 00:59:26,158 --> 00:59:28,758          A club was actually                a very bad bridge play.       970 00:59:28,758 --> 00:59:30,198        It happened to be right       971 00:59:30,238 --> 00:59:32,318        because his partner had              an unusual combination        972 00:59:32,318 --> 00:59:33,638         that made it correct.        973 00:59:33,798 --> 00:59:37,438       How, how is this possible            if they weren't cheating?      974 00:59:41,358 --> 00:59:44,398      So we played once or twice                 with Mr. Alder            975 00:59:44,438 --> 00:59:45,718          and his wife kitty.         976 00:59:45,718 --> 00:59:46,958         And he wrote a column                    about bridge,            977 00:59:46,958 --> 00:59:48,558               for years                    for "The New York Times".      978 00:59:48,558 --> 00:59:52,718           And this one time                we were playing the hand       979 00:59:52,758 --> 00:59:55,518         and I finessed a card               in a certain direction.       980 00:59:55,878 --> 00:59:58,278           And he literally                 almost started screaming       981 00:59:58,278 --> 00:59:59,758      in the middle of the game.      982 00:59:59,758 --> 01:00:01,198        He's like, "Excuse me,               that should not work."        983 01:00:01,198 --> 01:00:02,838            And I was like,                "Well, it did, it worked."      984 01:00:02,838 --> 01:00:04,998           And you could see                    his mind just go           985 01:00:05,038 --> 01:00:06,238         like tha, you know?          986 01:00:06,238 --> 01:00:08,678         But I tried something                    and it worked            987 01:00:08,678 --> 01:00:10,238    which wasn't supposed to work.    988 01:00:11,198 --> 01:00:13,038         All bridge players do                  illogical things,          989 01:00:13,038 --> 01:00:14,998         but they also end up                   most of the time           990 01:00:14,998 --> 01:00:16,918         looking really stupid                    when they do.            991 01:00:16,918 --> 01:00:19,278          These guys ended up              winning world championships     992 01:00:19,318 --> 01:00:20,918      by doing illogical things.      993 01:00:22,118 --> 01:00:24,198         You can almost think               about it in the same way       994 01:00:24,238 --> 01:00:26,518          as someone who does             too well at the stock market,    995 01:00:26,758 --> 01:00:28,878     they probably know something             that they shouldn't.         996 01:00:30,878 --> 01:00:32,798       And one defense could be.      997 01:00:32,798 --> 01:00:34,398     I'm just better than you are.    998 01:00:34,398 --> 01:00:35,958           I'm just smarter.          999 01:00:35,998 --> 01:00:37,718         You don't understand            because you're not at my level.  1000 01:00:37,718 --> 01:00:40,198          I'm so much better                   at playing bridge.          1001 01:00:40,238 --> 01:00:43,758     Of course, it looks illogical          to you, but I'm so good,       1002 01:00:43,798 --> 01:00:46,238       you don't even understand                 my brilliance.            1003 01:01:15,278 --> 01:01:17,718              I remember                   that I was very emotional,      1004 01:01:17,918 --> 01:01:21,878           and I came there                   with heavy feelings.         1005 01:01:56,518 --> 01:01:59,878          Even though I felt                that the bridge community      1006 01:01:59,878 --> 01:02:01,398       are a little bit biased,       1007 01:02:01,958 --> 01:02:02,958             I was happy.             1008 01:02:03,438 --> 01:02:06,278              I was happy                    to have the first time        1009 01:02:06,718 --> 01:02:08,638     to tell my side of the story.    1010 01:02:19,638 --> 01:02:21,798        I remember their face.        1011 01:02:21,798 --> 01:02:23,878      They didn't even understand               what I'm saying.           1012 01:02:24,278 --> 01:02:27,718       Not because I was talking         Chinese or something like that,  1013 01:02:28,398 --> 01:02:31,518        because they don't even               understand the logic,        1014 01:02:31,518 --> 01:02:33,278      how I think about the game.     1015 01:02:49,838 --> 01:02:51,878            I led the hand                    because I'm a genius         1016 01:02:51,918 --> 01:02:53,078         but he is a cheater.         1017 01:02:56,638 --> 01:02:57,918            Hi this is Steve,          1018 01:02:57,918 --> 01:02:59,238         please leave a message,                      thank you.             1019 01:02:59,678 --> 01:03:01,518            It's Boye here,                      I just wondered           1020 01:03:01,518 --> 01:03:04,598      if there was any more news            about the video footage.       1021 01:03:04,798 --> 01:03:06,518    If there's nothing to cover up    1022 01:03:06,558 --> 01:03:09,558     then just send those tapes so       we can check them with experts    1023 01:03:09,558 --> 01:03:11,278         and go over the tapes                    with experts.            1024 01:03:11,278 --> 01:03:14,238        And if I find out that,           okay, the tapes are for real,    1025 01:03:14,238 --> 01:03:15,798                 okay,                      that's everybody's happy.      1026 01:03:15,838 --> 01:03:17,798         We just go, we'll get            the Israelis and that's fine.    1027 01:03:22,558 --> 01:03:25,678           We all lucked out                 in that the year before       1028 01:03:25,678 --> 01:03:29,198      the European championships                 had been filmed           1029 01:03:29,238 --> 01:03:30,318          for the first time.         1030 01:03:31,118 --> 01:03:34,158           What it meant was              that for the first time ever,    1031 01:03:34,198 --> 01:03:36,638             we had data.             1032 01:03:40,878 --> 01:03:44,918      Watching 100 hours of hell                  is hard work.            1033 01:03:44,958 --> 01:03:48,758         And probably it takes             a particular character flaw     1034 01:03:48,798 --> 01:03:50,238        to enable you to do it.       1035 01:03:50,238 --> 01:03:51,798         None of us got paid.         1036 01:03:51,838 --> 01:03:54,838       I just, I worked nonstop          for the better part of a month    1037 01:03:54,838 --> 01:03:56,998     just going through hand after          hand after hand and just       1038 01:03:57,038 --> 01:03:59,638     getting evidence and looking            at what they were doing       1039 01:04:00,318 --> 01:04:02,078    and watched thousands of hours                  of video.              1040 01:04:02,118 --> 01:04:04,478        And then when I worked             out yet, some of the time,      1041 01:04:04,518 --> 01:04:05,798       you had to actually watch                 in slow motion            1042 01:04:05,798 --> 01:04:07,038      to see what was happening.      1043 01:04:07,638 --> 01:04:10,758         Some hands we thought                 there was signaling         1044 01:04:10,758 --> 01:04:12,078       but you can get paranoid       1045 01:04:12,078 --> 01:04:14,598         at every little thing                   that players do           1046 01:04:14,638 --> 01:04:17,478       and what means something        and what doesn't mean something.  1047 01:04:17,678 --> 01:04:19,478           And that's where                    it gets difficult.          1048 01:04:20,238 --> 01:04:23,878    Placement of cards on a board,         the way things were turned.     1049 01:04:23,878 --> 01:04:26,598          To drinking bottle               on the table, on the floor.     1050 01:04:26,638 --> 01:04:28,118            The way you do                      with your hands.           1051 01:04:28,438 --> 01:04:30,118           The bidding cards                     wide or narrow.           1052 01:04:30,158 --> 01:04:32,798        You can do like this on           your shirt or move your watch    1053 01:04:32,798 --> 01:04:34,358          or do your fingers.         1054 01:04:34,398 --> 01:04:36,358    But if you move the bidding box          this way or that way         1055 01:04:36,358 --> 01:04:37,678      that could mean something.      1056 01:04:37,678 --> 01:04:41,038          If you wanna cheat                   you can find a way.         1057 01:04:41,558 --> 01:04:44,598        Sounds were a big issue                   we looked at,            1058 01:04:44,638 --> 01:04:47,998     sniffles, scratches, coughs.     1059 01:04:48,358 --> 01:04:50,598           I suspected that                  whenever they coughed,        1060 01:04:50,838 --> 01:04:52,598       they had a very bad hand.      1061 01:05:00,558 --> 01:05:01,958     We were all making fun of it     1062 01:05:01,958 --> 01:05:03,958       'cause they were wearing                  scarves in June           1063 01:05:03,958 --> 01:05:05,638         and stuff to pretend                  that they were ill          1064 01:05:05,638 --> 01:05:07,838            but we all knew                   it was not the case.         1065 01:05:09,758 --> 01:05:11,358          All over the world,         1066 01:05:11,398 --> 01:05:14,598       I got thousands of emails           and phone calls from China,     1067 01:05:14,638 --> 01:05:17,038    to Australia, the U.S, Europe.    1068 01:05:17,038 --> 01:05:20,598         And we felt, we knew,                 we didn't know how.         1069 01:05:25,158 --> 01:05:27,398       Stopped mowing the lawn,             stopped paying the bills       1070 01:05:27,438 --> 01:05:30,598      like this, to me, this was         going into a kind of a bubble.    1071 01:05:31,758 --> 01:05:33,878       I wasn't afraid of losing               any, like my money.         1072 01:05:33,878 --> 01:05:35,438       They could take my money.      1073 01:05:35,438 --> 01:05:36,518       They could take my house,            they could take anything.      1074 01:05:41,998 --> 01:05:44,078      It was very strange for me      1075 01:05:44,078 --> 01:05:47,598      to get a lot of phone calls                from Brogeland.           1076 01:05:48,478 --> 01:05:53,718             [Phone rings]            1077 01:05:54,078 --> 01:05:56,918      During the day he's writing             those kinds of stuff.        1078 01:05:56,958 --> 01:05:59,318     And then later in the evening              he's calling me.           1079 01:05:59,358 --> 01:06:00,758       "Hey, Lotan, how are you?      1080 01:06:00,798 --> 01:06:02,398        How are you hanging on?       1081 01:06:02,638 --> 01:06:04,198         I am not mad at you.         1082 01:06:04,238 --> 01:06:06,838      I think you should come up                  for the game.            1083 01:06:06,838 --> 01:06:09,198            You need to do                      the right thing.           1084 01:06:09,198 --> 01:06:10,478       Everybody will appreciate      1085 01:06:10,518 --> 01:06:13,078         that you came forward                 and you admitted."          1086 01:06:14,638 --> 01:06:17,358     I hope that he would come out                  and say,               1087 01:06:17,358 --> 01:06:18,998       sorry, guys, we cheated.       1088 01:06:18,998 --> 01:06:21,318         And then we can build              on something from there.       1089 01:06:21,358 --> 01:06:24,238      And they would have to take      the certain number of years off.  1090 01:06:24,278 --> 01:06:26,758             And hopefully                  that they could come back      1091 01:06:26,758 --> 01:06:28,198        and play a clean game.        1092 01:06:28,198 --> 01:06:29,558          Maybe not together,                but at least come back.       1093 01:06:31,878 --> 01:06:34,158          He would call them              and always give them a chance    1094 01:06:34,158 --> 01:06:39,238     to come clean and always say,       "If you admit what you've done    1095 01:06:39,238 --> 01:06:40,598       we would support and help      1096 01:06:40,598 --> 01:06:42,798         in whatever influence                    we may have."            1097 01:06:43,798 --> 01:06:46,078      The ACBL encouraged people                 to come forward           1098 01:06:46,078 --> 01:06:48,598         to say, "Hey, if you             come forward and admit this,     1099 01:06:48,798 --> 01:06:50,838  there will be leniency for you."  1100 01:07:11,038 --> 01:07:14,478    To come and say that I cheated          in bridge, when I didn't       1101 01:07:15,638 --> 01:07:17,278             is like, say             1102 01:07:18,918 --> 01:07:20,238           I worth nothing.           1103 01:07:22,278 --> 01:07:25,358              Bridge was                    and still is everything.       1104 01:07:26,718 --> 01:07:28,918           I breathe bridge.          1105 01:07:28,918 --> 01:07:31,198         I go to sleep bridge.        1106 01:07:31,198 --> 01:07:32,878       My whole life is bridge.       1107 01:07:34,838 --> 01:07:39,198         And coming up and say            that I cheated in something,     1108 01:07:39,198 --> 01:07:40,758      which is everything for me,     1109 01:07:41,278 --> 01:07:44,718           is like giving up          1110 01:07:45,438 --> 01:07:47,198         everything inside me.        1111 01:07:48,278 --> 01:07:50,238            He never really                    admitted anything.          1112 01:07:50,238 --> 01:07:51,998  It was still that we were wrong,  1113 01:07:51,998 --> 01:07:55,078    and we just put out accusations      that were just nothing in it     1114 01:07:55,078 --> 01:07:56,238  that we was just making up stuff  1115 01:07:56,278 --> 01:07:58,318        destroying their career                    with this.              1116 01:07:59,198 --> 01:08:01,358         To me with this, like             with the "Me Too" campaign,     1117 01:08:01,398 --> 01:08:02,638      these kinds of things like,     1118 01:08:02,798 --> 01:08:05,158         sometimes people need                     to wake up.             1119 01:08:05,158 --> 01:08:07,798          Like we need to see             that the culture we have here    1120 01:08:07,798 --> 01:08:10,318            is just wrong,                  we need to do something.       1121 01:08:10,758 --> 01:08:11,758                And...                1122 01:08:12,118 --> 01:08:13,918       And when the authorities,      1123 01:08:13,958 --> 01:08:16,558      when the bridge federations                 organizations            1124 01:08:16,598 --> 01:08:18,278            are not willing                      to do anything,           1125 01:08:18,758 --> 01:08:19,998        what's the alternative?       1126 01:08:19,998 --> 01:08:21,278    What alternatives do you have?    1127 01:09:13,398 --> 01:09:15,038       I went to a cabin of ours      1128 01:09:15,038 --> 01:09:17,558       to try and get some sleep             and relax a little bit        1129 01:09:17,598 --> 01:09:20,158      because I had been working                 so many hours.            1130 01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:22,998        I just slept like maybe            three, four hours a night.      1131 01:09:24,998 --> 01:09:26,558         And I couldn't sleep         1132 01:09:26,598 --> 01:09:29,558        because I was so gutted            and felt really really bad.     1133 01:09:33,038 --> 01:09:36,238        There was a Swede with             the name of Per-Ola Cullin      1134 01:09:36,918 --> 01:09:39,758    that in the middle of the night         sent me a text message        1135 01:09:39,798 --> 01:09:42,878             saying that,                   "Wow, I know their code."      1136 01:10:04,878 --> 01:10:06,598          The normal thing is               to put it in the middle.       1137 01:10:07,438 --> 01:10:09,878       So here he puts it                        very far left.            1138 01:10:11,558 --> 01:10:13,158             You could see            1139 01:10:13,198 --> 01:10:15,518       that it just couldn't be          random placement of the board.    1140 01:10:16,718 --> 01:10:18,038        This is huge evidence.        1141 01:10:22,318 --> 01:10:23,718       I remember I was crying.       1142 01:10:23,718 --> 01:10:27,278    And I phoned Ishmael Del'Monte                in Australia             1143 01:10:27,318 --> 01:10:28,758           and said this is                     what comes here.           1144 01:10:28,758 --> 01:10:30,478     Can you have a look at this?     1145 01:10:31,678 --> 01:10:34,038           I remember like,                 when he told me the code,      1146 01:10:34,078 --> 01:10:36,758         I was like, "My God,                  that's so simple."          1147 01:10:37,358 --> 01:10:40,718           And he sent this                to Kit Woolsey in the U.S.A     1148 01:10:40,718 --> 01:10:43,118       And he looked through it                  and tested it.            1149 01:10:44,598 --> 01:10:46,278        Because of the videos,        1150 01:10:46,278 --> 01:10:50,278     it is red-handed the evidence          is right in front of you.      1151 01:10:50,318 --> 01:10:52,118          This is the action,         1152 01:10:52,118 --> 01:10:54,478          the physical action                    that was taken.           1153 01:10:54,678 --> 01:10:57,718           This is the hand              that the person actually held,    1154 01:10:57,718 --> 01:10:59,558            do they match?            1155 01:10:59,558 --> 01:11:01,558             In my opinion                  that was a 100% evidence       1156 01:11:01,598 --> 01:11:03,038            that they were                      doing something.           1157 01:11:08,198 --> 01:11:11,398       You wouldn't have to even            know the rules of bridge       1158 01:11:11,398 --> 01:11:13,598          to be able to look                     at these videos           1159 01:11:13,598 --> 01:11:16,918             and say, yes                 this is what they were doing.    1160 01:11:49,278 --> 01:11:50,838  I saw that and I was like, okay,  1161 01:11:51,438 --> 01:11:53,238       we nailed them a 100%.         1162 01:11:55,438 --> 01:11:58,318         Oh my God, yes, like              how did I not notice that?      1163 01:11:58,358 --> 01:11:59,678         How can I miss this?         1164 01:11:59,678 --> 01:12:01,238          It seems so obvious                   once you know it.          1165 01:12:01,518 --> 01:12:03,918          [Laughing out loud]         1166 01:12:03,958 --> 01:12:07,718        You hear my evil glee,           the evil happiness in my laugh.  1167 01:12:10,038 --> 01:12:11,958        It's almost like those                  "Where's Waldo?"           1168 01:12:11,958 --> 01:12:13,798      If you're looking for Waldo                 and you get,             1169 01:12:13,798 --> 01:12:15,478        then when you find him,                   you're like,             1170 01:12:15,478 --> 01:12:17,838    "Oh, he was right in the middle         of the page all along."       1171 01:12:30,838 --> 01:12:32,758        I remember the morning                   when I woke up            1172 01:12:32,758 --> 01:12:35,038          was one of the most               happiest days of my life.      1173 01:12:35,078 --> 01:12:39,798     That finally we will get rid              of those bastards.          1174 01:13:02,918 --> 01:13:04,078                Poof...               1175 01:13:04,318 --> 01:13:05,838          Honestly, I can say         1176 01:13:05,838 --> 01:13:07,638    that it's very easy to believe              that we cheated.           1177 01:13:08,278 --> 01:13:09,998       Let's say I'm not Lotan.       1178 01:13:10,198 --> 01:13:12,598          And I'm not the one                 who is in the story.         1179 01:13:13,238 --> 01:13:14,598            And I hear like           1180 01:13:15,238 --> 01:13:17,958         over and over again,                  over and over again         1181 01:13:17,958 --> 01:13:19,838         no matter where I go                   on the internet,           1182 01:13:19,878 --> 01:13:21,518           I read about it,                     I read about it.           1183 01:13:21,718 --> 01:13:24,798      I see people writing that,         "He's a cheater, he is cheater,  1184 01:13:24,798 --> 01:13:26,198           he is a cheater."          1185 01:13:26,398 --> 01:13:28,238      They put it inside my head      1186 01:13:28,598 --> 01:13:30,838            and then I see                   those kinds of videos.        1187 01:13:32,438 --> 01:13:33,718    I need nothing more than that.    1188 01:13:34,198 --> 01:13:37,478          I will be sure 100%                that they are cheating.       1189 01:13:37,798 --> 01:13:40,718       And no matter what people           will try to show me after,      1190 01:13:40,758 --> 01:13:42,518  I will still have it in my mind.  1191 01:14:03,958 --> 01:14:05,878     At that time I worked at CERN    1192 01:14:05,878 --> 01:14:08,238      the biggest lab of particle             physics in the world.        1193 01:14:09,158 --> 01:14:14,278  I was one of the main developers      of the statistical framework     1194 01:14:14,878 --> 01:14:17,758      of the search and discovery              of the Higgs boson,         1195 01:14:17,758 --> 01:14:19,758      so-called the god particle.     1196 01:14:22,478 --> 01:14:23,958         This is the particle         1197 01:14:23,958 --> 01:14:26,198         that gives all other                 particles their mass.        1198 01:14:26,198 --> 01:14:27,998             And in a way,                      one can show that          1199 01:14:27,998 --> 01:14:29,678  this is one of the basic things,  1200 01:14:29,678 --> 01:14:31,998    thanks to which we are living,                  we exist.              1201 01:14:40,278 --> 01:14:42,438      I got a call from a lawyer.     1202 01:14:42,438 --> 01:14:44,198    And he asked me if I'm willing    1203 01:14:44,198 --> 01:14:47,598    to check some statistical issue       that has to do with bridge.     1204 01:14:47,638 --> 01:14:50,798    I told him, I don't understand           anything about bridge.        1205 01:14:53,518 --> 01:14:56,398     Turned out that this problem           of bridge has a lot to do      1206 01:14:56,398 --> 01:14:57,598            with what we do           1207 01:14:57,598 --> 01:14:59,358            when you search                     for new particles          1208 01:15:00,318 --> 01:15:02,918            because it asks                    the same question.          1209 01:15:02,918 --> 01:15:04,238        What is the probability       1210 01:15:04,238 --> 01:15:06,758          that the phenomenon                    that we observe           1211 01:15:07,118 --> 01:15:09,678     is a fluctuation of nothing?     1212 01:15:11,038 --> 01:15:12,678        Or is it a real thing?        1213 01:15:13,078 --> 01:15:15,278           Are they cheating                    or not cheating?           1214 01:15:18,398 --> 01:15:20,638     When I looked at the numbers,                I told them,             1215 01:15:20,638 --> 01:15:23,558       That I think the analysis           the people did on the case      1216 01:15:23,598 --> 01:15:24,638               is wrong.              1217 01:15:24,918 --> 01:15:26,598          I don't think there                was enough data to make       1218 01:15:26,598 --> 01:15:29,598      a fair statistical analysis                     here.                1219 01:15:30,278 --> 01:15:32,998         The one that was done                   was not kosher.           1220 01:15:34,558 --> 01:15:35,838            It's stinking.            1221 01:16:00,158 --> 01:16:04,358            We were filmed                      over 250 boards,           1222 01:16:06,398 --> 01:16:12,198      they picked only 37 boards                out of those 250.          1223 01:16:12,358 --> 01:16:14,318              37 boards.              1224 01:16:14,318 --> 01:16:16,958       And from those 37 boards,      1225 01:16:17,198 --> 01:16:19,838            we showed them                     and we proved them          1226 01:16:19,998 --> 01:16:24,798         that only six boards                 confirmed their code         1227 01:16:25,238 --> 01:16:27,398           that they claimed                  that we are cheating.        1228 01:16:27,598 --> 01:16:32,998      Now six boards out of 250,            this is not the pattern.       1229 01:16:33,038 --> 01:16:34,518        This is totally random.       1230 01:16:54,838 --> 01:16:56,838              I told them                     "You look at the data        1231 01:16:56,838 --> 01:16:59,958          and you throw away                 the cases that disturb        1232 01:16:59,998 --> 01:17:02,758            the hypothesis                     you want to claim."         1233 01:17:02,798 --> 01:17:04,918           This is something               you don't do in statistics.     1234 01:17:14,558 --> 01:17:16,918        I felt like I'm talking                    to a void.              1235 01:17:16,918 --> 01:17:18,238         Talking for nothing.         1236 01:17:18,838 --> 01:17:21,798             Nobody cares                     about the statistics.        1237 01:17:21,838 --> 01:17:23,598        You look, and it looks               like they were cheating       1238 01:17:23,598 --> 01:17:25,038            and this is it.           1239 01:17:25,038 --> 01:17:27,598          Nobody cares about                probabilities, et cetera.      1240 01:17:27,598 --> 01:17:30,438          It just smells bad,                     so it's bad.             1241 01:17:30,438 --> 01:17:31,478              This is it.             1242 01:18:23,038 --> 01:18:27,358       Unfortunately, there are             some cases that my memory      1243 01:18:27,398 --> 01:18:29,158          is not good for me,         1244 01:18:29,318 --> 01:18:31,958           because if I can                     remember numbers           1245 01:18:31,998 --> 01:18:34,478         or if I can remember                     credit cards,            1246 01:18:34,478 --> 01:18:36,078          I can also remember         1247 01:18:36,078 --> 01:18:38,878            the bad moments                  that I had in my life.        1248 01:18:40,438 --> 01:18:41,918            Even if I want,           1249 01:18:41,918 --> 01:18:44,758  and even if I try to delete them              from my mind,            1250 01:18:44,758 --> 01:18:46,078        it will be impossible.        1251 01:18:46,358 --> 01:18:47,958        I remember everything.        1252 01:18:50,038 --> 01:18:55,118             So I remember                   it was February, 2017.        1253 01:18:56,558 --> 01:18:59,798        I got the message from            the Israeli bridge chairman.     1254 01:19:00,998 --> 01:19:03,238            He told me that           1255 01:19:03,478 --> 01:19:06,838            I got an email                     with the decision,          1256 01:19:07,998 --> 01:19:12,558         and I have two hours               to prepare for the media.      1257 01:19:13,078 --> 01:19:16,718       And probably some people                   will call me.            1258 01:19:19,918 --> 01:19:21,318       So I'm reading this email      1259 01:19:21,318 --> 01:19:24,198          and I feel my heart                is pumping so quickly.        1260 01:19:24,798 --> 01:19:27,078          I'm putting my hand                     on the screen            1261 01:19:27,918 --> 01:19:31,158         and starting to read                     word by word.            1262 01:19:31,838 --> 01:19:35,838    And then I get to the paragraph        that they found us guilty      1263 01:19:37,198 --> 01:19:42,078         and I see: coaching -                  banned for life,           1264 01:19:43,278 --> 01:19:45,358      watching - banned for life,     1265 01:19:45,558 --> 01:19:48,558           playing bridge -                     banned for life.           1266 01:19:53,798 --> 01:19:57,278     It's like losing part of you,    1267 01:19:57,878 --> 01:20:01,518       like something inside you                    is dead.               1268 01:20:02,078 --> 01:20:04,478       Like they take your heart                     outside               1269 01:20:04,478 --> 01:20:07,838      and they break your heart.      1270 01:20:23,878 --> 01:20:25,198            I hate to lose.           1271 01:20:27,158 --> 01:20:30,878     I was very, very disappointed              from the results           1272 01:20:32,798 --> 01:20:34,278          very dissapointed.          1273 01:20:36,598 --> 01:20:40,238       I think they really hoped          that people will listen to me    1274 01:20:40,238 --> 01:20:44,878           but I understood               that I'm not gonna help them     1275 01:20:45,438 --> 01:20:48,158           because it's been                    decided already.           1276 01:20:50,078 --> 01:20:51,878     In the middle of my interview    1277 01:20:51,918 --> 01:20:53,638        some point they stopped                  the interview,            1278 01:20:53,638 --> 01:20:57,958    a guy comes and take the trophy             away from them.           1279 01:20:57,958 --> 01:21:00,358            And it is such                    a humiliating moment.        1280 01:21:03,878 --> 01:21:07,478       It took every achievement                 away from them.           1281 01:21:07,478 --> 01:21:09,038         It was like a murder,        1282 01:21:09,038 --> 01:21:10,918          they murdered them             from the bridge point of view.    1283 01:21:11,318 --> 01:21:14,878     They completely, they killed            the career completely.        1284 01:21:17,878 --> 01:21:20,478         They were not guilty                   beyond any doubt.          1285 01:21:20,478 --> 01:21:23,118            No way, no way.           1286 01:23:02,438 --> 01:23:04,958          I didn't feel like                 it was a satisfaction.        1287 01:23:05,158 --> 01:23:08,038  Not at all, I would say. It was,  1288 01:23:08,038 --> 01:23:10,318  I thought it was very difficult,  1289 01:23:10,518 --> 01:23:14,398     to go out against my friends.    1290 01:23:14,598 --> 01:23:16,958      I looked at them as friends     1291 01:23:16,958 --> 01:23:21,758         and in a way destroy                 their bridge career.         1292 01:23:22,318 --> 01:23:27,598        I think at some point,              you have to make a stand       1293 01:23:28,198 --> 01:23:30,438             when you see                    that things are wrong.        1294 01:23:34,278 --> 01:23:35,958             I was angry.             1295 01:23:35,998 --> 01:23:39,078      How dare a couple of people          try to take down our sport.     1296 01:23:39,118 --> 01:23:41,998     I felt that they were really          trying to take down bridge.     1297 01:23:44,958 --> 01:23:47,158          Do they understand                   that they're unique         1298 01:23:47,158 --> 01:23:50,078       in the sense that they're             the only ones cheating?       1299 01:23:50,078 --> 01:23:51,438        Well, are they unique?        1300 01:23:51,438 --> 01:23:52,998       I mean, that's the fear.       1301 01:23:52,998 --> 01:23:57,118       I mean, that was my fear           as CEO is how unique was it?     1302 01:23:57,358 --> 01:24:01,198          Did we just uncover              the top layer of something?     1303 01:24:01,198 --> 01:24:03,398               And then                     when you dug down deeper,      1304 01:24:03,438 --> 01:24:05,558             we would find                    it was more rampant.         1305 01:24:06,158 --> 01:24:07,838        How deep does this go?        1306 01:24:10,918 --> 01:24:13,118      I think it kind of happened                when people saw           1307 01:24:13,118 --> 01:24:15,078     that it was actually possible                  to prove               1308 01:24:15,078 --> 01:24:17,998       that someone was cheating              based on the videos.         1309 01:24:18,318 --> 01:24:19,758          And what did we do?         1310 01:24:19,758 --> 01:24:20,958            That people got                     interest in maybe          1311 01:24:20,958 --> 01:24:22,758    in looking at other pairs too.    1312 01:24:25,398 --> 01:24:29,158          Now that we realize                   what a gold mine,          1313 01:24:29,158 --> 01:24:32,118         these videos from the             European Championships are,     1314 01:24:32,158 --> 01:24:35,198            we get somebody                 who's cracked the code on      1315 01:24:35,238 --> 01:24:36,598          Fantoni and Nunes.          1316 01:24:37,358 --> 01:24:38,958          Fantoni and Nunes,          1317 01:24:38,998 --> 01:24:40,958     was number one and number two           in the world rankings.        1318 01:24:40,998 --> 01:24:43,158    Boye called me and he told me,    1319 01:24:43,158 --> 01:24:48,638         "Pierre, may I kindly               request you to withdraw       1320 01:24:48,638 --> 01:24:50,118        from the Bermuda Bowl?"       1321 01:24:50,438 --> 01:24:54,478          I say, "What, whom,                    what happens?"            1322 01:24:54,478 --> 01:24:57,438       He say, Fantoni and Nunes                  are cheating.            1323 01:24:58,558 --> 01:25:00,238       There was a Dutch woman,       1324 01:25:00,238 --> 01:25:03,078       and she'd started looking             into Fantoni and Nunes.       1325 01:25:03,118 --> 01:25:05,398         And she came up with                  was a very strange,         1326 01:25:05,438 --> 01:25:06,838     the way they put their cards.    1327 01:25:13,598 --> 01:25:15,118       They were very deliberate      1328 01:25:15,118 --> 01:25:16,638     about whether they would put             the cards vertically         1329 01:25:16,638 --> 01:25:18,798          or whether they put                 the cards horizontal.        1330 01:25:19,518 --> 01:25:21,158           They were giving                 their partner information      1331 01:25:21,198 --> 01:25:24,478      from the angle of the card            when it was on the table.      1332 01:25:30,478 --> 01:25:33,678     So I phoned up Fulvio Fantoni         after this came and I said,     1333 01:25:33,878 --> 01:25:38,158         you need to come out             and admit to some wrongdoings    1334 01:25:38,158 --> 01:25:40,438       and say that, sorry, yeah      1335 01:25:40,438 --> 01:25:41,678     we have been doing something.    1336 01:25:41,678 --> 01:25:43,918             Hello Fulvio,                   it's Boye calling you,        1337 01:25:44,478 --> 01:25:45,878                Hi, Boye.              1338 01:25:45,878 --> 01:25:47,358          I'm not sure really                  where to start yet,         1339 01:25:47,398 --> 01:25:50,238      but yeah, that I came over              things that I think,         1340 01:25:50,278 --> 01:25:54,278         with you and Claudio            that I thought was suspicious.    1341 01:25:54,558 --> 01:25:56,438             Yeah, he said                    that he didn't cheat.        1342 01:25:56,478 --> 01:25:57,958        Like they didn't cheat.       1343 01:25:57,958 --> 01:26:00,078         It was all something              that we just cook together      1344 01:26:00,118 --> 01:26:03,598       and that we were jealous          and nobody admitting anything.    1345 01:26:03,598 --> 01:26:04,798      Good day, it's Peter here and    1346 01:26:04,798 --> 01:26:05,958           today I'm gonna talk        1347 01:26:05,998 --> 01:26:07,558              about another                       cheating scandal           1348 01:26:07,558 --> 01:26:09,318              that's rocked                       the bridge world.          1349 01:26:09,358 --> 01:26:11,438        The number and number two            ranked players in the world     1350 01:26:11,438 --> 01:26:13,158        were accused of cheating.      1351 01:26:13,158 --> 01:26:15,238      It's all shaken up the bridge            community in a big way.       1352 01:26:15,238 --> 01:26:18,278     Wow, this is all coming down.    1353 01:26:19,038 --> 01:26:21,078     Boye was a man on a mission.     1354 01:26:21,118 --> 01:26:23,838          Once we had people,         1355 01:26:23,838 --> 01:26:26,478      and even sometimes before,      1356 01:26:26,798 --> 01:26:29,158          he confronted them,         1357 01:26:29,158 --> 01:26:32,518         gave people a chance                  to tell the truth.          1358 01:26:33,198 --> 01:26:37,758       And in all cases but one,            everyone denied and lied.      1359 01:26:37,798 --> 01:26:40,438           What happens now                       when we clear            1360 01:26:40,478 --> 01:26:42,878    that our pair is not cheating?    1361 01:26:42,878 --> 01:26:44,478         No, that's not clear.        1362 01:26:44,478 --> 01:26:45,638       That's not clear at all.       1363 01:26:45,638 --> 01:26:47,678  Someone sent me a file yesterday  1364 01:26:47,678 --> 01:26:49,198           and when I looked                      at that file,            1365 01:26:49,238 --> 01:26:51,918              I would say                     it doesn't look good.        1366 01:26:54,478 --> 01:26:56,678       So why did people cheat?       1367 01:26:57,318 --> 01:27:01,718      Because they couldn't take          the rigors of brilliant play.    1368 01:27:01,758 --> 01:27:03,918        They couldn't take it,                      I guess.               1369 01:27:03,918 --> 01:27:05,318     And they're the wrong people     1370 01:27:05,358 --> 01:27:06,798           the wrong people                     cheat at bridge.           1371 01:27:06,798 --> 01:27:08,358       You just don't want them                   in the world.            1372 01:27:08,398 --> 01:27:11,958     You just want them to go away          and play their own game.       1373 01:27:19,118 --> 01:27:21,398           I talked to Lotan                  during this process,         1374 01:27:21,598 --> 01:27:24,998     I said, I hoped that he would           do something actively,        1375 01:27:25,038 --> 01:27:26,958       maybe that he could help               the bridge community         1376 01:27:26,998 --> 01:27:29,958          when maybe catching                  other cheats also.          1377 01:27:29,958 --> 01:27:32,118        He's incredibly smart.        1378 01:27:32,158 --> 01:27:33,558          The guy, this Lotan         1379 01:27:33,958 --> 01:27:36,198          and we actually had                   quite a long talk          1380 01:27:36,238 --> 01:27:39,758        and he gave me a lot of          information on the other pairs.  1381 01:27:40,198 --> 01:27:43,798     And he said if you wanna know           who I think is cheating       1382 01:27:43,838 --> 01:27:45,478            Fantoni-Nunes,            1383 01:27:45,478 --> 01:27:46,878          Balicki-Zmudzinski,         1384 01:27:46,878 --> 01:27:48,478           Piekarek-Smirnov,          1385 01:27:48,758 --> 01:27:50,398    and there was a Bulgarian pair    1386 01:27:50,398 --> 01:27:52,238      who they actually no longer                play together.            1387 01:27:52,238 --> 01:27:55,158            He even told me                    an exact hand to go         1388 01:27:55,198 --> 01:27:57,598          and look the video                of Piekarek and Smirnov.       1389 01:27:57,918 --> 01:28:00,438  And I went and watched this hand         and he told me exactly        1390 01:28:00,478 --> 01:28:02,718            what he thought                      their code was.           1391 01:28:03,798 --> 01:28:05,238           Lotan is laughing          1392 01:28:05,238 --> 01:28:07,398       because he knows exactly                  what he's done            1393 01:28:07,838 --> 01:28:09,758          and because of how                  he had placed the bid        1394 01:28:09,758 --> 01:28:11,838        and what Lotan thought                   their code was.           1395 01:28:11,838 --> 01:28:14,078          He was pretty sure                  he knew what he had.         1396 01:28:15,958 --> 01:28:17,038                 Yeah.                1397 01:28:20,838 --> 01:28:22,238        Good day, it's Pete here,      1398 01:28:22,238 --> 01:28:23,918           I'm here to discuss         1399 01:28:23,958 --> 01:28:26,798         the breaking news of a         third pair, cheating allegation.  1400 01:28:26,798 --> 01:28:27,838        Good day, it's Pete here,      1401 01:28:27,838 --> 01:28:29,278       and I'm back to talk about      1402 01:28:29,318 --> 01:28:31,398       the new recent installment                 of the cheaters.           1403 01:28:31,398 --> 01:28:32,918        Good day, it's Pete here,      1404 01:28:32,918 --> 01:28:34,918           today I want to do                 a bridge cheating update.      1405 01:28:34,918 --> 01:28:36,958        And there is a new cheat.      1406 01:28:36,958 --> 01:28:38,758  New development and another pair  1407 01:28:38,798 --> 01:28:41,038      has been accused of cheating.    1408 01:28:50,638 --> 01:28:52,398             Do you think                     some of the sponsors         1409 01:28:52,398 --> 01:28:54,078        might have been looking                  the other way?            1410 01:28:54,078 --> 01:28:57,158              Absolutely,                  and the professionals too.      1411 01:28:57,158 --> 01:28:58,918      I mean, there will be some                that will deny it          1412 01:28:58,918 --> 01:29:01,238    and say it never occurred to me        that they were cheating,       1413 01:29:01,238 --> 01:29:03,238       but I don't believe them.      1414 01:29:04,118 --> 01:29:05,678           Were they aware?           1415 01:29:05,678 --> 01:29:08,038              I can't say                   what's in someone's head,      1416 01:29:08,038 --> 01:29:09,558      but I think it's impossible     1417 01:29:09,558 --> 01:29:11,958         they weren't hearing            the same rumors I was hearing.    1418 01:29:11,998 --> 01:29:14,718        So if they hired them,           they did it at their own risk.    1419 01:29:14,758 --> 01:29:18,398     These people don't wanna know         if they're cheating or not      1420 01:29:18,398 --> 01:29:20,358     and don't really maybe care.     1421 01:29:20,358 --> 01:29:23,598     They just wanna win so badly.    1422 01:29:23,598 --> 01:29:25,878         Maybe they don't care                    how they win.            1423 01:29:26,198 --> 01:29:27,918     Maybe you get addicted to it.    1424 01:29:27,918 --> 01:29:32,598       Maybe you get addicted to       that winning and you can't stop.  1425 01:29:32,918 --> 01:29:36,758            A great player                 had his sponsor hire a pair     1426 01:29:36,758 --> 01:29:39,398       that was highly suspected                 to be cheating.           1427 01:29:39,678 --> 01:29:43,558         And his comment was,            "We couldn't beat the cheaters,  1428 01:29:43,558 --> 01:29:45,038       so we had to hire them."       1429 01:29:45,678 --> 01:29:48,238          Well everybody else                  is hiring cheaters,         1430 01:29:48,238 --> 01:29:50,078    why shouldn't I hire cheaters?    1431 01:29:56,958 --> 01:29:59,558            It was very sad                    for me personally,          1432 01:29:59,598 --> 01:30:01,758              but for for                     the bridge community,        1433 01:30:01,798 --> 01:30:05,638  you have so many decent players.  1434 01:30:05,638 --> 01:30:08,998           You have so many                    nice people around.         1435 01:30:09,038 --> 01:30:12,238         Some of those people                   are being robbed           1436 01:30:12,478 --> 01:30:14,118       of their chances to win.       1437 01:30:18,038 --> 01:30:20,718           People had put in                  their heart and soul         1438 01:30:20,758 --> 01:30:22,718           and their energy                      and their life            1439 01:30:22,718 --> 01:30:25,598      into trying to become great                 at something             1440 01:30:25,598 --> 01:30:28,478           and really caring               were playing on this field      1441 01:30:28,518 --> 01:30:29,598         that wasn't leveled.         1442 01:30:29,638 --> 01:30:31,398    And they were losing to people    1443 01:30:31,438 --> 01:30:33,158    that were not doing it fairly.    1444 01:30:36,478 --> 01:30:39,838     We were looking at the World          Bridge Federation's website     1445 01:30:39,878 --> 01:30:43,118     and they showed past winners              of various events.          1446 01:30:43,118 --> 01:30:47,038       And we were looking okay,          cheaters, cheaters, cheaters.    1447 01:30:47,078 --> 01:30:50,078      There was so many cheaters                accepting awards           1448 01:30:50,118 --> 01:30:51,598        and then this pictures.       1449 01:30:51,598 --> 01:30:53,158      And it was just really sad.     1450 01:30:56,318 --> 01:30:59,798     We got phone calls and emails            from people that said        1451 01:30:59,798 --> 01:31:01,558           they didn't want                 to play the game anymore       1452 01:31:01,558 --> 01:31:03,758     because they were devastated.    1453 01:31:04,838 --> 01:31:06,638               They flew                      to foreign countries.        1454 01:31:06,678 --> 01:31:11,198        They competed for days         and days and sweated, and tried.  1455 01:31:11,198 --> 01:31:15,198         And then you find out           that the team that you lost to    1456 01:31:15,198 --> 01:31:18,558     in the finals or semi-finals                were convicted.           1457 01:31:18,558 --> 01:31:20,278        It's almost like losing                to Lance Armstrong          1458 01:31:20,278 --> 01:31:21,878          in a bicycle race.          1459 01:31:21,878 --> 01:31:23,918       You worked all your life            to win the Tour de France,      1460 01:31:23,958 --> 01:31:26,638           [Crowd cheering]           1461 01:31:26,958 --> 01:31:29,198     you finished second or third                  to somebody             1462 01:31:29,198 --> 01:31:33,718      that's later found to have             been gaming the system.       1463 01:31:34,038 --> 01:31:36,878           [Crowd cheering]           1464 01:31:38,398 --> 01:31:42,238    Every single world championship          of the last 30 years         1465 01:31:42,238 --> 01:31:45,198         has been invalidated               because we now know that       1466 01:31:45,198 --> 01:31:48,198       there were cheaters that            were in those tournaments.      1467 01:31:48,198 --> 01:31:50,918    And in most cases did very well          in those tournaments.        1468 01:31:52,278 --> 01:31:55,078    It's like invalidating 30 years           of bridge history.          1469 01:31:55,078 --> 01:31:57,198      It's like saying, you know,            Wimbledon didn't happen       1470 01:31:57,238 --> 01:32:00,478        over the last 30 years              because we now know that,      1471 01:32:00,478 --> 01:32:02,558         all the great players                   were cheating.            1472 01:32:06,038 --> 01:32:09,038        I think that there are                 a couple more pairs         1473 01:32:09,078 --> 01:32:12,078       that I would like to see                not play together.          1474 01:32:14,398 --> 01:32:16,238        And people of interest.       1475 01:32:16,438 --> 01:32:18,078     Are there suspicions going on    1476 01:32:18,078 --> 01:32:22,038          against new players            or now we're in this magic hour  1477 01:32:22,038 --> 01:32:24,558            in which nobody                     suspects anybody?          1478 01:32:24,558 --> 01:32:26,878       I can't comment on that.       1479 01:32:33,278 --> 01:32:36,638           I play every day,                like three or four hours       1480 01:32:36,678 --> 01:32:40,518     sometimes till the late hours                of the night.            1481 01:32:41,598 --> 01:32:45,198           There are more                  than 10,000 players online.     1482 01:32:45,198 --> 01:32:48,718      Some of them professionals,         you can see they have stars.     1483 01:32:48,718 --> 01:32:51,198          You can watch them                      if you want.             1484 01:32:51,198 --> 01:32:52,678           You can see here,          1485 01:32:52,718 --> 01:32:55,238      now playing in other table      1486 01:32:55,238 --> 01:32:59,038       Jimmy Cayne is practicing                with his partner.          1487 01:33:00,798 --> 01:33:04,158           I'm playing with                    a Bolivian partner          1488 01:33:04,158 --> 01:33:05,918       and he's playing so bad.       1489 01:33:05,918 --> 01:33:08,398     I would assume he is playing          bridge less than one year.      1490 01:33:08,398 --> 01:33:12,438       And if he's playing more            than that, he should quit.      1491 01:33:12,438 --> 01:33:14,238    If I was playing with him live    1492 01:33:14,278 --> 01:33:17,758     I will probably shout at him              like I used to do.          1493 01:33:17,758 --> 01:33:19,998             And sometimes                      I really miss it,          1494 01:33:20,238 --> 01:33:21,798            what can I do?            1495 01:33:21,838 --> 01:33:25,798          Some people are not             that talented and it's okay.     1496 01:33:25,798 --> 01:33:26,798                I mean,               1497 01:33:28,598 --> 01:33:29,518              oh my God.              1498 01:33:31,278 --> 01:33:34,118        The things that he did                   just right now,           1499 01:33:34,478 --> 01:33:36,678        it's like unbelievable.       1500 01:33:39,878 --> 01:33:41,878         This is embarrassing.        1501 01:33:44,318 --> 01:33:46,598           I can try to get           1502 01:33:46,638 --> 01:33:49,998        to play with some pros               or something like that,       1503 01:33:49,998 --> 01:33:55,518     but usually nobody will want            to play with me online.       1504 01:34:01,838 --> 01:34:06,198       You go with like an alias         or you go with your real name?    1505 01:34:06,198 --> 01:34:08,438  Usually I play with my own name,  1506 01:34:08,438 --> 01:34:12,478       lately people don't like                to play against me.         1507 01:34:12,678 --> 01:34:17,038       So I'm playing sometimes              on my friend's account.       1508 01:34:17,038 --> 01:34:18,598            And this is sad           1509 01:34:18,798 --> 01:34:20,478        but this is the reality       1510 01:34:21,238 --> 01:34:22,918        and I need to face it.        1511 01:34:24,998 --> 01:34:28,638       Do you ever play with Ron              as a partner online?         1512 01:34:28,678 --> 01:34:32,238      No, I mean, Ron hurt a lot      1513 01:34:33,758 --> 01:34:37,598      from the story and he lost             his passion to bridge.        1514 01:34:38,278 --> 01:34:41,678        I'm even afraid to ask                 if he wants to play         1515 01:34:41,678 --> 01:34:43,398      because I know the answer.      1516 01:34:46,398 --> 01:34:48,638      Now I'm going to be dummy.      1517 01:34:48,958 --> 01:34:53,278             So my partner                   he bought the contract        1518 01:34:53,478 --> 01:34:57,758        and he's going to take            responsibility for my cards.     1519 01:34:57,798 --> 01:34:59,078             And of course            1520 01:34:59,438 --> 01:35:02,078              it's better                that I will close the computer    1521 01:35:02,398 --> 01:35:03,998        with what he is doing.        1522 01:35:04,438 --> 01:35:09,038      And no, it's like sometimes           I take it as a nightmare       1523 01:35:09,038 --> 01:35:11,438         and sometimes I take                it just like a comedy.        1524 01:35:11,438 --> 01:35:12,998            Like you go to,           1525 01:35:13,398 --> 01:35:14,678              oh, my God.             1526 01:35:16,278 --> 01:35:17,558        I don't want to be rude       1527 01:35:17,558 --> 01:35:19,758           and ask him like,                   to leave the table.         1528 01:35:19,758 --> 01:35:23,238  But it's like, it's a nightmare.  1529 01:35:26,878 --> 01:35:27,878                I mean,               1530 01:35:30,358 --> 01:35:33,958       I can be even very cynic                and tell him that,          1531 01:35:34,158 --> 01:35:36,598          well done partner.          1532 01:35:41,038 --> 01:35:42,438        I miss playing bridge.        1533 01:35:42,438 --> 01:35:44,678         I miss it that much,                that I don't even care        1534 01:35:44,678 --> 01:35:46,398      who I'm going to play with.     1535 01:35:46,598 --> 01:35:47,878       There is a screen anyway,      1536 01:35:47,878 --> 01:35:50,158           so I'm not going                    to see my partner.          1537 01:35:50,158 --> 01:35:53,238     I don't care if you put Boye         Brogeland behind the screen,     1538 01:35:53,238 --> 01:35:57,878          you're going to put          the committee behind the screen.  1539 01:35:57,878 --> 01:35:59,718             I don't care,                   I just play the cards.        1540 01:35:59,758 --> 01:36:03,998     And whoever I found out after         the game behind the screen,     1541 01:36:03,998 --> 01:36:05,158           Like, who cares?