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Hello.

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You probably
recognize my face.

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Let me introduce myself
in another role.

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Not as the actor,

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but Omar Sharif
the bridge player.

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In recent years,

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my partners have included

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not only great players

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but famous people,

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royalty, cabinet
ministers,

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famous entertainers.

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From my perspective,

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nobody cool doesn't play bridge.

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Like everyone who plays bridge
is super cool

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so cool

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that people don't even
understand it.

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When I play bridge

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I feel that
I maximize my talent.

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You're earning a lot of money.

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You're living the life.

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You're traveling a lot,

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hanging out with the richest
people in the world.

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Bill Gates, Warren Buffett.

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People told me I can be
a good programmer.

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I can be
a good financial analyzer.

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But to be the best in bridge
in the world,

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only one.

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Yes,

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it's me.

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He was great.

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For his generation,

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he may be the best
bridge player in the world.

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He could have been,

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the next Michael Jordan
of bridge.

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He was that good.

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They just kept winning major
events, him and his partner

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on whatever team they played

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almost to the point,
it was kind of unbelievable

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such a young pair,
winning everything.

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They were the new stars,

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all the way they were
like in the front seat.

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Nobody could touch them.

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They were at the top.

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They had everything
you could want in bridge.

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They were making great money.

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They were winning
all kinds of things.

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What more could you want?

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[Crowd cheering]

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They were accused
by another player

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on another team of cheating.

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I see people the writing
that he's a cheater,

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he is a cheater,
he is a cheater.

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They put it inside my head.

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It was all coming to a boil.

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There was too much cheating
going on.

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And it had to stop.

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Like the shit
had to hit the fan.

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I didn't cheat,

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but I brought it on myself.

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Bridge is all my life.

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They took my baby,
they took half of me.

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I cannot forgive for that.

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I came from a family
who liked sports.

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My father was
a soccer goalkeeper,

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and my mom,
she was a basketball player.

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And me,
I wasn't into bridge at all.

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When I was about 11 years old,

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I saw two girls from my class

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and I was asking them
where are you going?

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They told me,
"We are going to the mall.

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Then we're going
to a bridge lesson."

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One of them I really liked.

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So I was trying
to make some impression,

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I decided, okay I want to go
to the bridge lesson.

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So I went up to the lesson,
I entered,

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we were learning a little bit
about the rules

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and then we started to play.

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He was shocked.

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He told me,
"Go out! Come with me out."

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I thought he was going
to kill me or something.

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Maybe he thought
I'm cheating or something,

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I didn't know.

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And of course
he was speaking to my father

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and my father told him,

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"No way,
my son will not play cards.

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He's playing handball.

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He's playing soccer, no way."

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"I can make him number one
in the world."

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He said it.

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When I see numbers,
phone number, credit card,

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I close my eyes I can see it.

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I can see how you wrote it.

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I can hear your voice
when you told it to me

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there is no way
I will forget it.

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So basically this is
how my memory works, yes.

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It was
the 20th of January, 2005.

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I was playing
some tournament in Israel.

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When I went to the main table
to take a board,

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I probably took it
very quickly

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because I was excited about
the match, we played very well.

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And then when I took the board,
one of the notes

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which was on the top
fell on the floor.

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So I picked it up
from the floor,

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I didn't look,
I hold it in my hand,

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I put the board on the table

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and I was sitting
on my right hand

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which holds the note.

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And my right opponent,

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he saw that I'm holding
something in my hand

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before I even had the chance
to say something,

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he got crazy,
he started to shout.

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He started to call me
some names.

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He called the director

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and he said that I'm holding
something in my hand.

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They told me,
"Okay, just stand up.

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We wanna see what do you hold
in your hand."

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I was crying.

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I wanted to tell my story.

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I wanted to explain
what happened.

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I just freezed out.

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I had an ethic committee,

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I said that I had no intention
to take it.

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And I had no intention
to look.

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I took responsibility

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and I admitted that I could
behave a little more wisely,

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when it fell on the floor

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to call immediately
to the director.

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Everybody knew
that it was something that

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I didn't try to hide it
or something like this.

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They decided that I didn't cheat

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but I might had
some intention to.

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And I was suspended
for two years for that.

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That is very,
very heavy penalty.

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They said
it's because I'm young.

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And because I have to learn
how to behave.

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When you watch
a really good ballet dancer,

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it's this fabulous image,
a mirage almost, right?

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And that's what
good bridge is.

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It takes anyone
a very long time to kind of

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grasp the brilliance
of the game.

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Not you, you're not brilliant.

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The game itself
is so fantastic, really.

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Do you play bridge?

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I don't play bridge-
-You don't play bridge.

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Well, you have to learn to play.

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Welcome to the magical world
of bridge.

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It's actually
an extremely complicated game

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requiring decades to master.

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Our system
will be five card majors,

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all jumps
by responder forcing.

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Stayman, blackwood,
and weak two-bids.

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This means two clubs
will be the old--.

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But we really don't have time
for that.

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So here's
all you need to know

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in order to not look stupid
in front of your friends.

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Step one,
you're dealt a hand of 13 cards.

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The goal in bridge is to win
the most rounds

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holding the highest card.

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Here, for example,

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the lucky bastard holding
the ace has won the round.

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Winning a round
is called a trick.

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Step two, you and your partner
sitting across you

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must declare how many tricks
you're going to win together

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and what's
your strongest suit.

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One spade.

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We call this a contract.

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Now here come
a gazillion more rules

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that have nothing to do
with our story.

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So let's just forget them
all together.

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Oh, wait a sec.

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There is one rule
you must remember.

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When playing bridge,
you can't just ask your partner

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if he's got some diamonds.

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In fact, you can't talk to him
at all.

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No coughing, no winking,

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hell, you can't even
kick him under the table.

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Illegally communicating
with your partner

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is the one mortal sin of bridge.

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That pretty much sums it up,

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cheerio.

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So I didn't play bridge
for two years,

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but always in my mind,

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I knew that I want to
go back and play bridge.

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It was already
inside my blood.

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After I came back
from the suspension,

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I wanted to play professionally
and I needed a partner.

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Everybody had
a partner already

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and Ron was the one
to be available.

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So I offered him
to play together.

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At the beginning
of our partnership

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when I was very, very confident,

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some people will say arrogant,

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I used to be very aggressive.

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I'm looking for someone
to be perfect

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as I thought I am,

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and it's impossible.

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I remember after one tournament,
he told me I quit.

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I don't wanna play
with you anymore.

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And I needed to apologize.

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And then we played again.

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I told him
I will never do it again.

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I did it again
even worse than that.

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I made him cry
a million times.

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It's terrible to play with me,

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but with time he got stronger

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and I was trying
to be more calm,

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we improved as partners.

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If you want to be good,
you have to put a lot of effort.

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We were practicing
10, 12, 15 hours a day.

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And once we started to think
about the game the same

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and we understood each others'
thoughts about the game,

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it was very difficult
to stop us.

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They won the Cavendish.

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They won the most prestigious
European championship.

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And they won the main
tournaments in the USA

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some of the biggest that even

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some of the players ranked
in the top 20 players

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in the world
have never won in their life,

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and are dreaming of winning,

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they had won already
two or three at their age.

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Here we have a Lotan Fisher.

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One of the young star players
of Israel.

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They just kept winning
major events,

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him and his partner.

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It seemed like
they never lost almost.

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They were considered

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one of the very best
partnerships in the world.

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And they were in all
of the bridge magazines

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on the covers
of the bridge magazines.

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And they were famous, yeah.

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Me and my partner
had a very nice defense

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at the first day
of the tournament

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the declarant was very surprised

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when my partner
won with the queen.

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It was nice.

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When I play bridge,
I see nothing than that.

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This is something
that is in my blood.

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The game takes out of me,

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the best part of me.

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I think he liked winning.

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And I think
he liked being right,

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and I think he liked
being smarter,

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and I think he liked
being better.

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You just sort of felt
that way by looking at him

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just the way he walked around
and carried himself

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that he seemed arrogant.

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Like he had an "I'm better
then you" kind of look to him.

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You can tell at a young age,
he was very full of himself.

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Like you need to be the best.

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You're smarter than everyone

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because they're idiots
and you're a genius.

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This is gonna sound
very, very fucked up.

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But if you invest too much

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in the idea
of other people adoring you

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or liking you or loving you,

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you're never gonna win.

259
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You're never gonna get anywhere.

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And this is the best lesson
in the world playing bridge

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because it's not
about others approving.

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It's a little bit arrogant,

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but I don't want to compromise

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and to be one out
of thousands programmers,

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one out of thousands
financial analyzers.

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I want to be the best,
the best in the world.

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And the winners
of the Gold medal

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is the team of Israel.

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[Crowd cheering]

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I remember I spoke to our
sponsor Richie Schwartz,

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and he said, oh, he had
this new team from Israel.

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They had really good results.

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So that's, to me,
sounded like really good idea.

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So I remember speaking
to Lotan on the phone

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on Richie's phone.

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And I was like wow.

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I knew Boye from books.

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I knew Boye from stories.

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He was a big star
in the bridge world

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and he offered us
to join his team.

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We just said, yes.

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We were just waiting
for that chance.

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What I remember was that Lotan,
he was very keen on playing

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on that team with us
with me and my partner Espen.

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I was calling my friends
and my parents,

286
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my girlfriend, I told everybody
that Boye called me.

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I think he's one of the
biggest talents in bridge.

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Top top player to me.

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From the first moment
we became good friends.

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In 2013, 2014,

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when we were playing
on the Richie Schwartz team,

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we had an amazing run,

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[Crowd cheering]
we won three nationals.

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00:20:17.478 --> 00:20:19.878
We won a lot of European events.

295
00:20:19.878 --> 00:20:21.118
We played well.

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You are very young.

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You're earning a lot of money,
staying in expensive hotels,

298
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going to expensive
restaurants,

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hanging out with the most
richest people in the world.

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They're like your friends,

301
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at some way
they are admiring you,

302
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your bridge skills
and they're coming to you

303
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to ask you questions

304
00:20:56.798 --> 00:20:59.638
and they want you
to be part of their team.

305
00:21:00.638 --> 00:21:02.598
If you're a very good
bridge player,

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you can be pretty rich,
you get paid

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00:21:05.678 --> 00:21:07.998
over 2000 bucks a day,

308
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just playing bridge,
travel around.

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If you're extremely good,
making a six figure salary

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is not that difficult to do
as a professional player

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and the best ones making
half a million dollars a year.

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There's a lot of money
at stake here.

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The difference between
being one of the top pairs

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in the world
and just being pretty good

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is worth tens, hundreds of
thousands of dollars a year.

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So there's definitely
a financial incentive

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to win at all costs.

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This is something
very, very good,

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but could be very dangerous.

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In 2015, we got another offer
from Jimmy Cayne.

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He called us and he said,
"I'm Jimmy Cayne."

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And when he said it

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00:22:05.758 --> 00:22:07.678
I already knew
he is Jimmy Cayne.

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James Cayne, a notorious CEO
of Bear Stearns

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was worth more
than a billion dollars

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but it all came crashing down,

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when Bear Stearns subprime
investment bubble burst in 2007

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critics claim that while
Bear Stearns was burning up,

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Cayne was literally
playing bridge.

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It was a big compliment for us
to get an offer from Jimmy.

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And I knew
that we're gonna be his.

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Boye was a little bit
angry with me.

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He felt that he was the one
to deserve

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00:22:40.478 --> 00:22:42.398
to get this kind of offer.

335
00:22:42.398 --> 00:22:46.038
It's a better offer and better
money, better teammates.

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He said, I played 10, 15 years
more than those guys.

337
00:22:50.998 --> 00:22:53.598
"When they didn't know
how to hold cards,

338
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I was already been
Bermuda Bowl champion.

339
00:22:55.798 --> 00:22:57.078
How come they get it?"

340
00:22:57.078 --> 00:22:59.078
I felt really bad.

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First for him.

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00:23:00.518 --> 00:23:02.438
Second for our friendship.

343
00:23:02.438 --> 00:23:04.478
Third for me, my partner.

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No matter what is going
to happen with this story,

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00:23:07.038 --> 00:23:09.198
things are not going to be
the same again.

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Mike Benson live
from the 2015 Spingold.

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We've had some intense days
here in Chicago

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featuring a record number
of over 10,000 players

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and 64 international teams.

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I remember,
on the way to Chicago,

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I was very excited.

352
00:23:33.278 --> 00:23:35.878
The whole flight,
you talk about bridge.

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My heart was pumping.

354
00:23:37.398 --> 00:23:39.838
We had a lot of pressure
on our shoulders.

355
00:23:41.638 --> 00:23:43.558
You're gonna see
10,000 players

356
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the best players in the world,

357
00:23:45.038 --> 00:23:46.638
and you're gonna compete
against them.

358
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As higher that you get
in the stages

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your opponents gonna be

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tougher and tougher
and tougher and tougher.

361
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Ex-world champions,
ex-nationals champions.

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This guy won
the national 14 times.

363
00:24:00.038 --> 00:24:02.838
This guy 20 times,
no matter where you go

364
00:24:02.878 --> 00:24:05.278
you see champions, champions,
champions around you.

365
00:24:06.878 --> 00:24:09.598
You have to bleed
if you want to survive.

366
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On Spingold,
you start a round of 64

367
00:24:14.238 --> 00:24:16.558
and you're gonna play
the whole day.

368
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And then you qualify
for the 32 and 16 and 8.

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You're bleeding and bleeding.

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And I already saw
that if we are going to qualify

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for the quarters,
there is a chance

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that we are going to play
against Boye Brogeland.

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It's all coming
down to the quarter finals

374
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with the eight
top ranking teams fighting

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for their spots in the semis.

376
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All eyes are on the Cayne
and Schwartz knockouts tomorrow

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where title holder Lotan Fisher
and Boye Brogeland

378
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are facing each other
for the first time as opponents,

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right here in Chicago.

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The Cayne team
that Lotan and Ron had gone to

381
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and our team
we both reached quarter final.

382
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And then this quarter final,

383
00:25:01.798 --> 00:25:03.198
we are actually going
to play each other.

384
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That night before the match
against them,

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that's the only thing
that people were talking about.

386
00:25:08.718 --> 00:25:10.718
The two had
a fantastic last season

387
00:25:10.718 --> 00:25:12.918
playing alongside
for Richie Schwartz.

388
00:25:12.918 --> 00:25:14.438
But now Brogeland and Fisher

389
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are in a showdown
for a place in the finals.

390
00:25:18.078 --> 00:25:20.838
It was like a match
to decide who is bigger

391
00:25:20.838 --> 00:25:22.438
LeBron or Michael Jordan.

392
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I felt like all my body, like

393
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you know...

394
00:25:28.238 --> 00:25:30.838
I remember that
I looked at myself in the mirror

395
00:25:30.878 --> 00:25:33.438
and I shouted,
"Showtime baby.

396
00:25:33.678 --> 00:25:34.998
It's showtime baby,

397
00:25:35.038 --> 00:25:36.238
now it's time
to prove yourself."

398
00:25:44.078 --> 00:25:46.078
When I play bridge,

399
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I feel like I'm fighting
in the ring boxing.

400
00:25:49.678 --> 00:25:52.398
Fisher and Schwartz
walking a tightrope

401
00:25:52.398 --> 00:25:55.918
as they declare a contract
of five no trump.

402
00:25:56.278 --> 00:25:58.718
Sees someone who's very sharp.

403
00:25:58.758 --> 00:26:00.478
His eyes shining,

404
00:26:00.518 --> 00:26:02.158
like he's not going to give up

405
00:26:02.158 --> 00:26:03.718
A very interesting kickoff

406
00:26:03.718 --> 00:26:06.718
with Lotan leading
with the king of diamonds.

407
00:26:06.718 --> 00:26:08.238
I think it's very interesting

408
00:26:08.238 --> 00:26:11.438
how something as unimportant
in a way as a card game,

409
00:26:11.438 --> 00:26:15.838
how deeply it can get
rooted in yourself.

410
00:26:16.918 --> 00:26:18.398
Playing a hand

411
00:26:18.398 --> 00:26:20.118
and knowing that I played
that hand perfectly.

412
00:26:20.118 --> 00:26:22.118
That's the greatest excitement
for me.

413
00:26:22.118 --> 00:26:23.998
And Boye is back in business,

414
00:26:24.038 --> 00:26:26.718
as he tackles
this three hearts contract

415
00:26:26.758 --> 00:26:28.438
with a finesse made in heaven.

416
00:26:29.238 --> 00:26:32.438
So one of the things
that you you need to do

417
00:26:32.478 --> 00:26:34.998
is to analyze the situation

418
00:26:34.998 --> 00:26:37.238
and you need to calculate it
very quickly.

419
00:26:37.278 --> 00:26:41.798
And this is something that
people think that I'm the best.

420
00:26:43.078 --> 00:26:45.758
Lotan just throwing
a hail Mary

421
00:26:45.758 --> 00:26:47.438
as he plays a seven heart

422
00:26:47.958 --> 00:26:50.678
just to be saved
by his partner's ace.

423
00:26:50.678 --> 00:26:53.278
I mean, sometimes they
don't understand as well

424
00:26:53.278 --> 00:26:56.598
how my brain works,
'cause people like to think that

425
00:26:56.638 --> 00:26:58.038
bridge is only about math.

426
00:26:58.038 --> 00:26:59.918
You cannot use any instincts

427
00:26:59.958 --> 00:27:03.118
and you cannot use
any reading of the situation

428
00:27:03.118 --> 00:27:04.998
which I don't agree.

429
00:27:05.318 --> 00:27:07.838
An absolutely
remarkable move.

430
00:27:08.398 --> 00:27:10.798
You have so many choices
to make in bridge.

431
00:27:10.798 --> 00:27:12.998
When you make choices
of the choices of the choices

432
00:27:12.998 --> 00:27:14.598
and you play
day after day after day

433
00:27:14.598 --> 00:27:17.678
it's very easy
that you make mistakes.

434
00:27:18.278 --> 00:27:21.998
You sit there and you know
you made like a silly mistake.

435
00:27:21.998 --> 00:27:23.758
It's a really emotional game.

436
00:27:23.758 --> 00:27:25.598
You know
that it's really hurting.

437
00:27:25.598 --> 00:27:27.038
You feel it to your bone.

438
00:27:27.078 --> 00:27:29.678
Another gutsy play
by Fisher-Schwartz

439
00:27:29.718 --> 00:27:33.558
making bold moves that
turn out paying off big time.

440
00:27:34.638 --> 00:27:36.918
The two teams
are headed for collision

441
00:27:36.958 --> 00:27:38.998
under now,
just pounding each other.

442
00:27:39.038 --> 00:27:41.438
It becomes
a very very tough match,

443
00:27:41.438 --> 00:27:43.518
like very tight much.

444
00:27:45.838 --> 00:27:47.998
And you start getting tired.

445
00:27:53.358 --> 00:27:55.038
That was ruthless,

446
00:27:55.078 --> 00:27:58.638
Lotan dropping the ball here
as he loses this contract.

447
00:27:59.718 --> 00:28:01.718
It will come down
to single digits,

448
00:28:01.718 --> 00:28:05.318
as both Fisher and Brogeland
refuse to give up their place

449
00:28:05.318 --> 00:28:07.238
in the semis.

450
00:28:14.598 --> 00:28:16.758
And it's finally over.

451
00:28:16.758 --> 00:28:19.158
Both teams
are now holding their breath

452
00:28:19.198 --> 00:28:23.198
as the tournament directors
calculate the final score.

453
00:28:25.798 --> 00:28:27.278
What always frightens me,

454
00:28:27.278 --> 00:28:29.998
is the day that I will feel
that I get worse

455
00:28:30.038 --> 00:28:31.798
that I'm not on top
of my game anymore.

456
00:28:31.798 --> 00:28:35.598
The day I really realized now
it's just downhill from here.

457
00:28:35.638 --> 00:28:37.358
and that will be
extremely tough.

458
00:28:40.038 --> 00:28:42.958
At this moment, we're still
waiting for the results

459
00:28:43.358 --> 00:28:45.758
of the last matches
in the final round

460
00:28:45.758 --> 00:28:47.638
of the open teams.

461
00:29:09.918 --> 00:29:14.638
After 12 hours of playing bridge
with high pressure

462
00:29:14.638 --> 00:29:18.198
the score was 159, 158.

463
00:29:18.638 --> 00:29:20.958
We lost by one IMP.

464
00:29:25.198 --> 00:29:26.678
We lost by one IMP.

465
00:29:27.758 --> 00:29:28.998
I believe.

466
00:29:30.238 --> 00:29:33.638
Gutting. Gutting.

467
00:29:35.038 --> 00:29:38.398
There's no smallest margin
than that.

468
00:29:38.958 --> 00:29:42.958
That happens maybe once
in 1000 matches

469
00:29:45.198 --> 00:29:46.718
I felt so bad.

470
00:29:47.158 --> 00:29:50.158
First tournament I'm losing
on the quarterfinals

471
00:29:50.678 --> 00:29:54.958
and not just losing on the
quarterfinals for being unlucky

472
00:29:54.958 --> 00:29:56.478
or whatever it is.

473
00:29:57.558 --> 00:29:59.478
I'm losing to Boye Brogeland.

474
00:30:02.038 --> 00:30:03.558
It was very interesting match.

475
00:30:03.558 --> 00:30:05.158
And I thought we played
like me and my partner,

476
00:30:05.198 --> 00:30:07.278
I thought we played great,

477
00:30:07.278 --> 00:30:09.478
it was really
one of our best matches.

478
00:30:09.638 --> 00:30:11.718
Good luck, guys.
-Thank you very much.

479
00:30:11.918 --> 00:30:14.758
He was so excited,
he was so happy.

480
00:30:14.758 --> 00:30:17.478
He went out like high five

481
00:30:17.518 --> 00:30:19.438
every person he saw,

482
00:30:19.678 --> 00:30:21.398
he was so proud of himself,

483
00:30:22.118 --> 00:30:23.878
but he didn't know one thing.

484
00:30:27.998 --> 00:30:30.598
In our table,
we called to the director

485
00:30:30.638 --> 00:30:33.878
about some move
that our opponents made

486
00:30:33.878 --> 00:30:36.718
that we thought that might

487
00:30:36.718 --> 00:30:38.958
change some decision
in the game.

488
00:30:39.278 --> 00:30:42.278
And that might change
the all result of the match.

489
00:30:43.398 --> 00:30:45.558
And we went
to the appeal committee.

490
00:30:46.238 --> 00:30:49.598
Our teammates told me that
they never won an appeal before

491
00:30:49.598 --> 00:30:51.758
all the time they were
playing for 50 years,

492
00:30:51.798 --> 00:30:54.438
they lost the European
Championship, World Champions

493
00:30:54.438 --> 00:30:56.518
all the tournaments
because of appeals.

494
00:30:57.278 --> 00:31:00.718
I told them, you never played
with Lotan Fisher.

495
00:31:00.758 --> 00:31:02.158
I'm going to appeal.

496
00:31:07.958 --> 00:31:09.238
The appeals committee
is in a tough spot.

497
00:31:09.238 --> 00:31:10.878
No one wants to have
to decide the fate

498
00:31:10.878 --> 00:31:11.838
of a match like that.

499
00:31:11.878 --> 00:31:13.398
I was away from the table.

500
00:31:15.398 --> 00:31:18.078
So this appeal now
goes on about midnight.

501
00:31:18.078 --> 00:31:20.078
I think the final result
I think is about

502
00:31:20.078 --> 00:31:21.798
1:30 in the middle of the night,

503
00:31:21.798 --> 00:31:26.238
and we wait and suddenly I see
Lotan coming out of the room.

504
00:31:27.318 --> 00:31:30.318
The appeal committee
decided that we were right

505
00:31:30.318 --> 00:31:32.878
about some of our arguments.

506
00:31:33.318 --> 00:31:36.798
So they decided that we
deserved to get two points.

507
00:31:40.838 --> 00:31:42.198
I couldn't believe it.

508
00:31:42.678 --> 00:31:44.918
I just won Boye Brogeland.

509
00:31:54.998 --> 00:31:56.798
We started to shout...

510
00:31:56.838 --> 00:32:01.278
Yes!
We won, we won, we won.

511
00:32:19.158 --> 00:32:22.638
I've had a few bad losses
in my life,

512
00:32:22.998 --> 00:32:26.758
but that was one of the
toughest, and I was so hurt.

513
00:32:26.758 --> 00:32:28.678
I remember just looking at Allan

514
00:32:28.678 --> 00:32:31.118
and Richie we had all played,
we all fought,

515
00:32:31.158 --> 00:32:33.558
yeah that felt really,
really bad.

516
00:32:33.598 --> 00:32:37.518
So it was 1:30 in the morning

517
00:32:37.518 --> 00:32:40.038
and I couldn't sleep
because I was so gutted.

518
00:32:41.038 --> 00:32:42.478
And I said, okay,

519
00:32:42.478 --> 00:32:43.878
I'll go and have a look
at the other table,

520
00:32:43.878 --> 00:32:45.278
how we lost this match.

521
00:32:47.878 --> 00:32:49.158
So I just went to my computer,

522
00:32:49.198 --> 00:32:51.118
and had to look what happened.

523
00:32:55.998 --> 00:32:59.678
And yeah, I just scrolled
through and look at some,

524
00:32:59.678 --> 00:33:01.158
and that was strange.

525
00:33:02.398 --> 00:33:05.158
There was a hand where
it was so clear in my view.

526
00:33:05.198 --> 00:33:08.158
And I think that of the top
hundred players in the world

527
00:33:08.198 --> 00:33:11.038
at least 99 would have led
a heart.

528
00:33:12.838 --> 00:33:15.718
But Ron, led something else,

529
00:33:16.598 --> 00:33:18.158
I said that was strange,

530
00:33:18.198 --> 00:33:21.238
I said why is this happening?

531
00:33:22.038 --> 00:33:24.038
I know how good a player
he is.

532
00:33:25.198 --> 00:33:27.078
And that's how it kind
of really got started.

533
00:33:27.078 --> 00:33:29.918
We felt that something
was astray.

534
00:33:33.398 --> 00:33:36.078
I thought, okay
I'll go to the bar.

535
00:33:36.678 --> 00:33:39.558
While I was talking to people
and then I met Bobby Levin,

536
00:33:39.558 --> 00:33:41.518
they said, "Oh did you
see how they cheated you

537
00:33:41.558 --> 00:33:42.878
"on that board?"

538
00:33:43.198 --> 00:33:47.038
I see this hand,
that Lotan Fisher cheats Boye,

539
00:33:47.038 --> 00:33:49.598
so blatantly, it's unbelievable.

540
00:33:49.638 --> 00:33:52.678
And he is going through
the hand and furious.

541
00:33:52.878 --> 00:33:54.678
To me, here something was wrong.

542
00:33:55.278 --> 00:33:58.198
An Israeli guy, he asked me,
"Oh, have you seen the hand

543
00:33:58.198 --> 00:34:00.078
"under they played
against this Dutch pair."

544
00:34:00.078 --> 00:34:01.278
"No, I haven't seen any hand",

545
00:34:01.278 --> 00:34:02.718
"Oh, you should see that hand,

546
00:34:02.718 --> 00:34:04.758
it's clearly,
clear that they're cheating."

547
00:34:05.598 --> 00:34:09.038
They mentioned YouTube videos
that I could go and look at.

548
00:34:09.318 --> 00:34:14.318
You see Lotan coughing to give
certain information to Ron.

549
00:34:14.958 --> 00:34:16.718
Is it cheating?

550
00:34:16.758 --> 00:34:19.238
So you can't have a way of
communicating with your partner

551
00:34:19.238 --> 00:34:22.118
that your opponents
have no knowledge about.

552
00:34:22.758 --> 00:34:25.958
These are the most important
rule about ethics in bridge

553
00:34:25.998 --> 00:34:27.878
and what everybody thinks

554
00:34:27.878 --> 00:34:29.838
that they had a way
to communicate

555
00:34:29.838 --> 00:34:31.478
to each other information

556
00:34:31.478 --> 00:34:32.838
the people wouldn't know.

557
00:34:33.638 --> 00:34:36.398
There were rumors about it
among expert bridge players

558
00:34:36.438 --> 00:34:37.198
for a long time.

559
00:34:37.878 --> 00:34:39.878
It seemed like everybody knew
that these guys were cheating.

560
00:34:40.078 --> 00:34:41.238
When you know
they're cheating,

561
00:34:41.278 --> 00:34:42.958
why haven't you
done anything?

562
00:34:42.958 --> 00:34:45.438
You must do something
when you know they're cheating.

563
00:34:46.558 --> 00:34:48.798
You can't accuse people
of cheating

564
00:34:48.798 --> 00:34:52.278
unless you can absolutely
prove it.

565
00:34:52.278 --> 00:34:54.318
Let's say I turn to them and go,

566
00:34:54.478 --> 00:34:57.398
"You fucking guys are cheating.
You think I don't know it?"

567
00:34:57.398 --> 00:35:00.838
The organizers will immediately
ban us from the tournament.

568
00:35:02.038 --> 00:35:04.438
There's too much cheating
going on.

569
00:35:04.438 --> 00:35:05.718
And it had to stop.

570
00:35:05.718 --> 00:35:07.518
It had to go outside
of the official channels.

571
00:35:07.558 --> 00:35:09.438
Like the shit
had to hit the fan.

572
00:35:15.358 --> 00:35:17.878
If other people are not doing,
I need to do something.

573
00:35:17.878 --> 00:35:19.158
This cannot continue.

574
00:35:28.358 --> 00:35:31.638
I remember that after we beat
Boye on the quarter finals,

575
00:35:31.838 --> 00:35:35.198
he came at the middle of
the match to our opponents

576
00:35:35.198 --> 00:35:37.078
and he told them,
"You have to withdraw.

577
00:35:37.278 --> 00:35:38.998
You have to stop playing."

578
00:35:39.958 --> 00:35:41.838
It was at the lunch break.

579
00:35:42.358 --> 00:35:45.238
Brogeland came to me,
starting to shout at me,

580
00:35:45.278 --> 00:35:47.158
"You're a cheater, cheater.

581
00:35:47.158 --> 00:35:49.518
You know exactly
what I'm talking about."

582
00:35:49.558 --> 00:35:51.238
It was almost
a fight over there.

583
00:35:51.478 --> 00:35:54.998
I wanted to tell him like,
"Boye, the match is over.

584
00:35:55.518 --> 00:35:57.758
We can be friends again,
it's over.

585
00:35:57.758 --> 00:36:00.838
You don't have to keep with
the trash talk and everything."

586
00:36:02.238 --> 00:36:04.038
And sometimes you just
got to do the right thing.

587
00:36:04.038 --> 00:36:05.478
They shouldn't have
played there.

588
00:36:05.518 --> 00:36:07.118
They should have been
disqualified.

589
00:36:07.118 --> 00:36:09.158
I don't think
the organizers realize

590
00:36:09.198 --> 00:36:11.398
how much the players
care about fair game.

591
00:36:11.438 --> 00:36:15.278
He went to each bridge player
and spoke to him

592
00:36:15.278 --> 00:36:17.238
and told him
we have to kick them out.

593
00:36:17.278 --> 00:36:19.958
This is very, very important
for the players.

594
00:36:19.998 --> 00:36:21.358
So what is the proof
against them?

595
00:36:21.358 --> 00:36:22.598
I saw it just-

596
00:36:22.598 --> 00:36:24.118
When you know you see

597
00:36:24.118 --> 00:36:26.238
Even if other people
can't see it,

598
00:36:26.238 --> 00:36:27.958
When you know it yourself,

599
00:36:27.958 --> 00:36:29.878
you investigate it thoroughly
and you just know it.

600
00:36:29.878 --> 00:36:31.438
As a bridge player, you know it.

601
00:36:31.918 --> 00:36:34.398
I don't understand
cheating in bridge,

602
00:36:34.398 --> 00:36:35.638
I just don't understand.

603
00:36:35.678 --> 00:36:38.718
It's such a darn hard game
to learn.

604
00:36:39.038 --> 00:36:40.598
And then you have to learn
the game

605
00:36:40.638 --> 00:36:42.038
and then learn how to cheat.

606
00:36:42.038 --> 00:36:44.798
I mean, that just seems
impossible to me.

607
00:36:49.798 --> 00:36:52.278
When we lost
to Jimmy Cayne's team

608
00:36:52.278 --> 00:36:53.998
that was the quarter-final.

609
00:36:53.998 --> 00:36:56.678
And they went on to playing
against the Zimmermann team

610
00:36:56.718 --> 00:36:57.878
in the final.

611
00:36:58.198 --> 00:36:59.878
It had Fantoni and Nunes,

612
00:36:59.918 --> 00:37:02.398
number one, and number two
in the world rankings.

613
00:37:02.438 --> 00:37:04.078
And they play Cayne in the final

614
00:37:04.318 --> 00:37:05.918
and Cayne won.

615
00:37:05.958 --> 00:37:08.198
So Lotan and Ron
won that tournament.

616
00:37:08.198 --> 00:37:09.678
This Spingold of 2015.

617
00:37:09.718 --> 00:37:12.878
[Crowd cheering]

618
00:37:12.918 --> 00:37:15.438
I see him out in front
of a crowd of people.

619
00:37:15.438 --> 00:37:16.918
I go up to him.

620
00:37:16.958 --> 00:37:20.158
I say, "So Lotan,
this hand you had the other day.

621
00:37:20.398 --> 00:37:23.038
What were you thinking
when you made this play?"

622
00:37:23.438 --> 00:37:25.718
And he couldn't
even answer me,

623
00:37:25.758 --> 00:37:29.038
this fast thinking smart guy.

624
00:37:30.398 --> 00:37:32.758
There are many things
that I cannot explain.

625
00:37:33.118 --> 00:37:35.798
And this is one of the
problems that people

626
00:37:35.798 --> 00:37:37.718
they can't accept it.

627
00:37:37.758 --> 00:37:39.158
Like, why did you do that?

628
00:37:39.158 --> 00:37:42.078
Why did you know to do that
and I didn't?

629
00:37:42.318 --> 00:37:44.678
My intuition made me do that

630
00:37:44.678 --> 00:37:46.838
but this is not an answer
that people accept.

631
00:37:49.758 --> 00:37:52.598
So I said to him,
in front of a lot of people,

632
00:37:52.958 --> 00:37:56.478
"You just proved
what a fucking cheat you are."

633
00:37:56.918 --> 00:38:00.918
And he said, "I will sue you
for a million dollars."

634
00:38:01.958 --> 00:38:04.798
And I said,
"When they find you guilty

635
00:38:04.798 --> 00:38:06.038
you won't be able to collect."

636
00:38:16.118 --> 00:38:20.078
So now, I went back home
and I spoke to my wife.

637
00:38:20.118 --> 00:38:22.798
She had talked to Lotan
when I was in Chicago

638
00:38:22.838 --> 00:38:24.518
and Lotan said,
"Oh Boye's crazy.

639
00:38:24.518 --> 00:38:26.238
"He's accusing me
of this and that."

640
00:38:26.238 --> 00:38:28.278
"And I never seen him like this
before", Lotan told my wife

641
00:38:28.318 --> 00:38:31.358
she said, "Oh he just needs
to calm down a bit

642
00:38:31.358 --> 00:38:32.678
after losing to you,"

643
00:38:32.678 --> 00:38:34.078
or something like that,
that he's, yeah.

644
00:38:34.318 --> 00:38:36.238
So we're going back home
from Chicago

645
00:38:36.278 --> 00:38:38.958
we know that there is
a little buzz.

646
00:38:38.958 --> 00:38:40.958
People are gossiping,

647
00:38:41.238 --> 00:38:44.998
but this is not something
we weren't aware before.

648
00:38:45.038 --> 00:38:47.518
People were talking about us
all the time.

649
00:38:47.558 --> 00:38:50.158
But every time they were
speaking about us for a week

650
00:38:50.398 --> 00:38:53.598
and it's passing,
week, passing

651
00:38:53.598 --> 00:38:56.398
and that's what we thought
is gonna be this time.

652
00:39:02.398 --> 00:39:05.278
And now, I started trying
to get to people that I knew

653
00:39:05.278 --> 00:39:07.438
in the bridge world and saying
that this is what's going on,

654
00:39:07.438 --> 00:39:09.038
We need to do something.

655
00:39:09.038 --> 00:39:11.598
The problem here is that
everybody denies everything.

656
00:39:11.638 --> 00:39:13.958
Nobody wants
to take any blame.

657
00:39:14.838 --> 00:39:16.478
I sent emails,

658
00:39:16.518 --> 00:39:18.358
I phoned really all my contacts
in the bridge world.

659
00:39:18.358 --> 00:39:20.358
"It's Boye Brogeland
calling here."

660
00:39:20.358 --> 00:39:21.998
"Hi, Steve, it's Boye here."

661
00:39:22.038 --> 00:39:23.918
Have you heard anything from
the ACBL or from other people?

662
00:39:23.918 --> 00:39:25.398
I spoke to the federations

663
00:39:25.398 --> 00:39:27.518
to a guy in the European
Bridge League.

664
00:39:27.518 --> 00:39:29.598
And his answer to this was that,

665
00:39:30.078 --> 00:39:34.398
"Well, file a complaint.
We'll see what we can do."

666
00:39:34.838 --> 00:39:36.078
Well,
you need to do something,

667
00:39:36.118 --> 00:39:38.278
we can't have this happening.

668
00:39:38.278 --> 00:39:40.758
The World Championships
are coming up in two months

669
00:39:40.758 --> 00:39:42.078
from here in Chennai.

670
00:39:42.078 --> 00:39:43.758
Like we need
to stop this before,

671
00:39:43.758 --> 00:39:45.518
we cannot have
the World Championships

672
00:39:45.518 --> 00:39:47.318
be tainted by cheats.

673
00:39:47.958 --> 00:39:51.198
Now we have a chance,
we have a great chance

674
00:39:51.798 --> 00:39:53.478
Lets get the Israelis
and that's fine.

675
00:39:53.478 --> 00:39:54.798
The case with Israelis

676
00:39:54.838 --> 00:39:56.958
that is almost case closed,
I would say.

677
00:39:58.038 --> 00:39:59.838
Stop covering up here.

678
00:40:01.398 --> 00:40:03.398
But Bob, speak to them,
speak to them

679
00:40:03.438 --> 00:40:05.798
and let's do something
that's good for bridge.

680
00:40:06.158 --> 00:40:08.278
I got some people here
from a town where I lived.

681
00:40:08.278 --> 00:40:09.798
They helped me.

682
00:40:09.798 --> 00:40:12.918
We were able to set up a site
called bridgecheaters.com

683
00:40:12.958 --> 00:40:15.518
where we provided what we
thought was information,

684
00:40:15.558 --> 00:40:16.918
but of course it was also

685
00:40:16.958 --> 00:40:20.038
accusations about
something illegal going on.

686
00:40:21.638 --> 00:40:23.798
I didn't think
of the consequences, really.

687
00:40:23.838 --> 00:40:25.198
I just thought
we need to do something

688
00:40:25.198 --> 00:40:27.518
and we know
we need to do it now.

689
00:40:37.078 --> 00:40:39.558
First day that we launched
the website,

690
00:40:39.598 --> 00:40:41.318
I think we had a 100,000 hits.

691
00:40:44.718 --> 00:40:46.118
I was the Australian captain

692
00:40:46.118 --> 00:40:47.678
played the transnationals
in the Netherlands

693
00:40:47.718 --> 00:40:51.158
and our team lost the semifinal
to Fisher-Schwartz.

694
00:40:53.198 --> 00:40:54.918
I didn't really think much of it

695
00:40:54.918 --> 00:40:58.158
but when this thing broke with
Fisher and Schawrtz from Boye

696
00:40:58.638 --> 00:41:01.838
I went back and I watched
the match against our team.

697
00:41:01.998 --> 00:41:05.398
And there were at least 15 hands

698
00:41:05.678 --> 00:41:07.518
where weird things happened.

699
00:41:07.558 --> 00:41:09.998
It was like, man, you're one
of the best players I've seen.

700
00:41:10.038 --> 00:41:11.358
You didn't need to cheat.

701
00:41:11.358 --> 00:41:13.078
Like, I didn't know
why you would do it.

702
00:41:14.158 --> 00:41:16.718
Like, why would you cheat
when you're so good?

703
00:41:19.638 --> 00:41:21.118
There was such an uproar.

704
00:41:21.118 --> 00:41:23.478
It was almost like a revolution.

705
00:41:24.878 --> 00:41:26.918
Top players, medium players

706
00:41:26.958 --> 00:41:28.238
maybe not so good players,

707
00:41:28.238 --> 00:41:30.158
but very keen passionate
bridge players

708
00:41:30.158 --> 00:41:31.958
express the same feeling.

709
00:41:31.958 --> 00:41:34.078
Cheating should not be part
of a game.

710
00:41:38.638 --> 00:41:40.318
It exploded for sure.

711
00:41:41.478 --> 00:41:43.918
I'm gonna talk about
the cheating scandal,

712
00:41:43.918 --> 00:41:45.918
that's been all over
the internet.

713
00:41:45.918 --> 00:41:48.238
You know where to look
in websites.

714
00:41:49.478 --> 00:41:52.078
So last month, two players
that Cayne had hired

715
00:41:52.078 --> 00:41:53.798
for his competitive team.

716
00:41:53.798 --> 00:41:55.878
They were accused by
another player on another team

717
00:41:55.918 --> 00:41:57.638
of cheating.

718
00:41:57.638 --> 00:41:59.518
Fisher and Schwartz are denying
the charges vigorously,

719
00:41:59.518 --> 00:42:01.758
but the damage has been done
for the moment at least.

720
00:42:01.758 --> 00:42:03.238
They're not playing.

721
00:42:03.238 --> 00:42:05.558
Cayne, now 81
is out two top teammates.

722
00:42:05.558 --> 00:42:07.158
And at this point
in their season,

723
00:42:07.158 --> 00:42:08.798
it could be hard
to replace them.

724
00:42:08.798 --> 00:42:10.398
And he may even have
to give back

725
00:42:10.398 --> 00:42:13.038
a big trophy that he won
in Chicago, in August.

726
00:42:20.238 --> 00:42:23.718
Few days ago,
Mr. Brogeland published

727
00:42:23.758 --> 00:42:25.878
some special gift for me.

728
00:42:25.878 --> 00:42:27.518
He opened a website,

729
00:42:27.758 --> 00:42:29.518
bridgecheaters.com

730
00:42:29.518 --> 00:42:32.398
The greatest scam
in the history of bridge.

731
00:42:32.798 --> 00:42:37.238
Basically the whole website
is like story of our life

732
00:42:37.238 --> 00:42:39.238
and also Brogeland
and is saying that

733
00:42:39.278 --> 00:42:41.638
for the two years
he played with us,

734
00:42:41.638 --> 00:42:44.078
people keep telling him,
"They are cheaters,

735
00:42:44.078 --> 00:42:45.838
how can you play with them?"

736
00:42:45.838 --> 00:42:48.438
And he's saying that he was
checking the hands all the time

737
00:42:48.438 --> 00:42:50.838
and he didn't find
anything suspicious.

738
00:42:51.198 --> 00:42:54.838
And still Boye
is claiming now,

739
00:42:54.838 --> 00:42:56.878
that we cheated
on those hands.

740
00:42:58.518 --> 00:43:01.838
It's easy for me
to speak about it. But...

741
00:43:02.398 --> 00:43:03.558
inside my heart,

742
00:43:03.558 --> 00:43:05.798
you have no idea
what I'm going through.

743
00:43:05.798 --> 00:43:07.398
It's not so easy.

744
00:43:07.438 --> 00:43:11.598
I'm trying to show
business as usual

745
00:43:11.638 --> 00:43:12.758
but it's not like that.

746
00:43:12.798 --> 00:43:14.998
It's very difficult to sleep.

747
00:43:15.038 --> 00:43:17.358
It's in your mind 24/7.

748
00:43:18.558 --> 00:43:20.078
I don't know.

749
00:43:20.078 --> 00:43:22.678
It's not so easy
as it looks like.

750
00:43:32.478 --> 00:43:35.278
I got a warning letter
from Lotan and Ron.

751
00:43:36.518 --> 00:43:39.158
"Stop all actions on your
part which are harmful

752
00:43:39.198 --> 00:43:40.958
including publication
of any claim

753
00:43:40.958 --> 00:43:42.358
which is defamatory.

754
00:43:42.358 --> 00:43:44.598
Immediately publish
a correction, denial,

755
00:43:44.598 --> 00:43:46.318
and apology on any platform

756
00:43:46.318 --> 00:43:48.518
on which you made
the original publications,

757
00:43:48.518 --> 00:43:51.158
including
on the designated website."

758
00:43:51.438 --> 00:43:55.158
They write compensation
in the sum of $1 million.

759
00:43:55.878 --> 00:43:58.198
It is to be clarified
and nothing in this amount

760
00:43:58.198 --> 00:44:02.438
expresses anything other
than a small part of damages

761
00:44:02.438 --> 00:44:05.958
and mental anguish
which has been caused to me."

762
00:44:07.318 --> 00:44:09.318
To me, this is what's so sad
about the whole thing

763
00:44:09.358 --> 00:44:12.558
that we were friends
in my view, like good friends.

764
00:44:12.598 --> 00:44:14.358
We were all like one big,

765
00:44:14.358 --> 00:44:16.878
and I hope like a happy family
kind of.

766
00:44:16.878 --> 00:44:19.798
So that's also what's so hard
when you, like

767
00:44:19.838 --> 00:44:22.718
when you realize
that actually your friends

768
00:44:22.918 --> 00:44:24.998
are willing to do this
against you.

769
00:44:31.838 --> 00:44:33.038
They're entitled to a process.

770
00:44:33.038 --> 00:44:34.638
I know, but...

771
00:44:34.638 --> 00:44:36.878
Don't you think that I think
they are entitled to it?

772
00:44:36.878 --> 00:44:38.158
Absolutely.

773
00:44:38.198 --> 00:44:40.038
But when you know it,
you know it.

774
00:44:40.078 --> 00:44:41.958
If someone came
into your house

775
00:44:41.958 --> 00:44:44.638
and you saw that guy,
you knew him.

776
00:44:44.798 --> 00:44:46.878
It was a friend of yours,
okay?

777
00:44:46.878 --> 00:44:49.918
And he stole your things
and he went out.

778
00:44:50.118 --> 00:44:52.398
He stole,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

779
00:44:52.438 --> 00:44:54.358
No, no, no,
I can't put him in jail.

780
00:44:54.398 --> 00:44:55.878
I'm not putting anybody in jail.

781
00:44:55.878 --> 00:44:57.998
I think that you have
because you-

782
00:44:57.998 --> 00:44:59.558
I'm having, how can I?

783
00:44:59.558 --> 00:45:02.438
You have convicted them
in a public forum.

784
00:45:02.438 --> 00:45:03.958
You've convicted them.

785
00:45:03.998 --> 00:45:05.438
So you're not entitled
when you saw this thief

786
00:45:05.438 --> 00:45:08.038
that you know, you knew
it was your neighbor.

787
00:45:08.038 --> 00:45:10.438
I know the process,
just go and have a trial.

788
00:45:10.478 --> 00:45:13.598
What do I? I have no power
to judge, no power.

789
00:45:13.598 --> 00:45:16.198
But you have judged.
-No, I haven't judged.

790
00:45:16.198 --> 00:45:19.358
You have judged
in the public arena.

791
00:45:19.398 --> 00:45:21.758
There's a huge difference
in today's world.

792
00:45:21.798 --> 00:45:23.598
Hello, Giannarigo how are you?

793
00:45:23.638 --> 00:45:25.318
Are you ready now?

794
00:45:33.998 --> 00:45:37.638
It's impossible to take
any sanction

795
00:45:37.638 --> 00:45:39.998
without the decision of a judge.

796
00:45:40.198 --> 00:45:43.198
If found out something
got in here, okay,

797
00:45:43.198 --> 00:45:46.838
there's the prosecutor
where they can be guilty or you.

798
00:45:46.878 --> 00:45:48.358
I know a 100 precent

799
00:45:48.358 --> 00:45:50.318
maybe you don't know,
but I know.

800
00:45:50.358 --> 00:45:52.038
And I understand the game,
I can tell you that.

801
00:45:52.078 --> 00:45:53.678
I understand the game,
and I know

802
00:45:53.678 --> 00:45:57.478
that these guys have been
cheating big time, big time.

803
00:45:57.518 --> 00:45:59.558
You can be as much lawyers
as you want to

804
00:45:59.558 --> 00:46:03.158
but if you think that Fisher
and Schwartz didn't cheat

805
00:46:03.358 --> 00:46:05.278
then I must say,
you don't understand the game.

806
00:46:05.318 --> 00:46:07.318
And the problem here
if there is any case,

807
00:46:07.318 --> 00:46:10.678
the decision has to be
taken by a judge, a judge.

808
00:46:10.718 --> 00:46:12.958
Why?
-Why, because is the law.

809
00:46:12.958 --> 00:46:16.438
My attitude is to say that

810
00:46:16.438 --> 00:46:19.878
if they are cheats,
someone sanctions them,

811
00:46:19.878 --> 00:46:21.278
because I can't believe that.

812
00:46:21.318 --> 00:46:23.518
I couldn't believe,
I couldn't believe myself.

813
00:46:23.518 --> 00:46:24.678
It's just,

814
00:46:25.318 --> 00:46:26.998
yeah, okay thanks.

815
00:46:26.998 --> 00:46:28.478
Yeah, thank you.

816
00:46:28.478 --> 00:46:30.078
See you later in the week.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah, hope so.

817
00:46:31.358 --> 00:46:35.158
When the federations saw
how much buzz this created

818
00:46:35.198 --> 00:46:38.798
and saw the uproar
by the players,

819
00:46:38.798 --> 00:46:41.038
I think they realized that
we need to do something.

820
00:47:34.238 --> 00:47:36.478
And then the day after
I got an invitation

821
00:47:36.478 --> 00:47:39.318
from the Israeli
Special Committee.

822
00:47:45.078 --> 00:47:48.678
All of them were
well known bridge players.

823
00:47:48.678 --> 00:47:50.398
Two of them were lawyers,

824
00:47:50.398 --> 00:47:53.958
they put on the table
all the allegations.

825
00:47:53.998 --> 00:47:56.718
Spoke loudly about
what is going on.

826
00:48:12.358 --> 00:48:15.758
And I remember one guy
of the committee said,

827
00:48:15.758 --> 00:48:19.078
"You two are done with bridge.

828
00:48:19.118 --> 00:48:22.798
The only place that you two
can sit in front of each other

829
00:48:22.838 --> 00:48:25.078
is in the restaurant
downstairs."

830
00:48:27.038 --> 00:48:30.078
And we we're starting
to get ready for a war.

831
00:48:30.678 --> 00:48:32.398
The war of our life.

832
00:48:36.838 --> 00:48:38.718
These two young players
come to me

833
00:48:38.758 --> 00:48:41.598
and they say, "Don't believe
anything you're going to read.

834
00:48:41.598 --> 00:48:42.678
We didn't cheat."

835
00:48:42.918 --> 00:48:44.318
"Okay, why should I believe you?

836
00:48:44.358 --> 00:48:46.398
They said,
"Take us to a lie detector."

837
00:48:46.398 --> 00:48:48.278
I said,
"Are you willing to do that?

838
00:48:49.278 --> 00:48:51.798
You know if you're going
to fail the lie detector

839
00:48:51.998 --> 00:48:54.998
I would find it very hard
to keep on defending you."

840
00:48:55.318 --> 00:48:57.238
They said,
"Take us to a lie detector."

841
00:48:59.398 --> 00:49:01.718
So we decided we gonna do it.

842
00:49:01.998 --> 00:49:05.758
It wasn't an easy decision,
especially not for Ron.

843
00:49:07.078 --> 00:49:10.158
Because sometimes
even when you're correct

844
00:49:10.158 --> 00:49:14.398
if you're very emotional,
the results can be different.

845
00:49:14.398 --> 00:49:16.798
So I had to explain him a lot,

846
00:49:16.838 --> 00:49:19.278
that we are innocent
and don't worry.

847
00:49:22.558 --> 00:49:26.038
Lotan is a, I mean,
I wouldn't trust him

848
00:49:26.038 --> 00:49:27.838
as far as I could far as
I could throw him obviously,

849
00:49:27.838 --> 00:49:31.438
he's a fast talking,
fast thinking guy,

850
00:49:31.438 --> 00:49:33.798
who is always looking
to impress everybody

851
00:49:33.838 --> 00:49:37.438
with his quick talking,
quick analysis.

852
00:49:38.118 --> 00:49:43.198
And Ron Schwartz was very
soft-spoken, almost didn't speak

853
00:49:43.238 --> 00:49:44.678
like a nitwit.

854
00:49:48.638 --> 00:49:52.358
While Lotan was
a gifted player, no question.

855
00:49:52.358 --> 00:49:55.158
Ron is not, not even close.

856
00:49:55.158 --> 00:49:57.358
He wasn't, I don't even know
if he was a good player.

857
00:49:58.798 --> 00:50:01.598
You could tell that he just
didn't quite have the instinct.

858
00:50:01.638 --> 00:50:04.478
He would every now and then
make a play

859
00:50:04.478 --> 00:50:06.518
that we would say no,
like it cannot win.

860
00:50:06.558 --> 00:50:08.398
It can only break even
at best.

861
00:50:08.918 --> 00:50:12.438
The kind of thing that a real
expert player would just not do.

862
00:50:15.518 --> 00:50:17.518
It was the cup in Moscow.

863
00:50:17.518 --> 00:50:22.278
Schwartz lay down contract
on the last board

864
00:50:22.478 --> 00:50:29.798
that 99% of player in the top
100 in the world would win.

865
00:50:31.078 --> 00:50:33.078
He made incredible mistake

866
00:50:33.918 --> 00:50:36.518
and went down with the contract
on the last board

867
00:50:36.518 --> 00:50:38.118
to give us the title.

868
00:50:42.518 --> 00:50:45.118
Ron Schwartz,
he's a terrible bridge player.

869
00:50:45.118 --> 00:50:46.678
It was just impossible

870
00:50:46.678 --> 00:50:48.758
he was winning
all those tournaments.

871
00:50:50.198 --> 00:50:51.518
So you ask yourself,

872
00:50:51.518 --> 00:50:53.558
why would a guy
like Lotan Fisher

873
00:50:53.758 --> 00:50:56.518
play with a schlub
like Ron Schwartz?

874
00:50:57.558 --> 00:50:59.838
Well, there's only
one logical conclusion,

875
00:50:59.878 --> 00:51:02.358
here's a guy that's willing
to cheat with him.

876
00:51:04.278 --> 00:51:07.598
They were both caught cheating
many times in their youth.

877
00:51:08.598 --> 00:51:10.878
Obviously when he was
allowed back,

878
00:51:11.198 --> 00:51:12.838
his plan was,

879
00:51:12.878 --> 00:51:16.238
I wanna become rich and
famous playing this game.

880
00:51:16.238 --> 00:51:17.718
Who's gonna do this with me?

881
00:51:19.078 --> 00:51:22.078
He needed to find someone
he could control the brain of,

882
00:51:22.118 --> 00:51:25.478
saying, I think Ron Schwartz
was a perfect victim for this.

883
00:51:30.118 --> 00:51:34.398
What I did to humiliate Ron,
was against us

884
00:51:34.438 --> 00:51:39.358
because when I came in front
of everybody, shouting at him

885
00:51:39.398 --> 00:51:42.518
and tell everybody
how bad he is,

886
00:51:42.758 --> 00:51:46.398
people started to think,
"How come he's that bad,

887
00:51:46.438 --> 00:51:48.158
and they are
so good together?"

888
00:51:49.998 --> 00:51:52.238
Sometimes I made mistakes
as well.

889
00:51:52.278 --> 00:51:55.278
Again, I'm not perfect,
I just thought I am.

890
00:51:55.878 --> 00:52:00.878
And my best way to deal
with that was shouting at him.

891
00:52:01.478 --> 00:52:04.038
And sometimes he was playing
really perfect.

892
00:52:04.318 --> 00:52:07.518
Sometime I was shouting
at him for over tricks

893
00:52:07.958 --> 00:52:12.998
for mistakes that didn't
even cost us nothing.

894
00:52:13.238 --> 00:52:16.678
But when people saw it,
they thought like

895
00:52:16.678 --> 00:52:18.358
how come they are that good?

896
00:52:18.398 --> 00:52:20.198
How come they're
so successful?

897
00:52:20.478 --> 00:52:22.078
They must be cheating.

898
00:53:38.478 --> 00:53:40.278
They were asked three questions.

899
00:53:40.758 --> 00:53:44.558
Have you ever at any time
received from your partner,

900
00:53:44.598 --> 00:53:46.118
Mr. Schwartz Ron

901
00:53:46.158 --> 00:53:49.958
information during a bridge game
by means of coughs?

902
00:53:50.798 --> 00:53:52.678
He answered in the negative.

903
00:53:52.998 --> 00:53:55.598
Have you ever at any time
during the bridge game

904
00:53:55.638 --> 00:53:58.518
provided improper
or illegal information

905
00:53:58.518 --> 00:54:00.278
to your partner,
Mr. Schwartz Ron?

906
00:54:01.038 --> 00:54:02.838
He answered in the negative.

907
00:54:02.878 --> 00:54:04.438
Have you ever at any time,

908
00:54:04.878 --> 00:54:06.358
during a bridge game,

909
00:54:06.558 --> 00:54:09.438
provided improper
or illegal information,

910
00:54:09.478 --> 00:54:11.798
by means of a bottle of water?

911
00:54:11.798 --> 00:54:13.478
He answered in the negative.

912
00:54:16.958 --> 00:54:19.558
I remember,
I didn't want to think about

913
00:54:19.558 --> 00:54:21.358
what comes up
with the results.

914
00:54:22.158 --> 00:54:26.318
The only thing on my mind
is to clear my name.

915
00:55:19.758 --> 00:55:22.118
I got a phone call
from my lawyer.

916
00:55:23.078 --> 00:55:24.958
He was asking me if I'm alone.

917
00:55:26.998 --> 00:55:28.598
So I told him, wait a second.

918
00:55:28.598 --> 00:55:30.118
And I went out.

919
00:55:54.318 --> 00:55:58.238
And the lawyer told me
that we passed it, absolutely.

920
00:55:58.958 --> 00:56:01.158
The results were absolutely,

921
00:56:01.158 --> 00:56:02.958
that they're telling
the truth.

922
00:56:19.598 --> 00:56:21.358
I was so ashamed,

923
00:56:21.358 --> 00:56:24.478
so embarrassed
about all the situation

924
00:56:24.478 --> 00:56:28.758
because my parents were
so proud of me

925
00:56:29.398 --> 00:56:30.918
when I was so successful

926
00:56:31.198 --> 00:56:33.398
and then something like that
comes up

927
00:56:33.758 --> 00:56:36.638
and it's in the newspapers
and everywhere.

928
00:56:36.838 --> 00:56:38.758
Every place they used to go,

929
00:56:38.758 --> 00:56:42.398
"Oh, your son is a cheater,
your son is a cheater."

930
00:57:01.558 --> 00:57:03.758
And we both started to cry.

931
00:57:31.798 --> 00:57:32.798
I don't know.

932
00:57:35.198 --> 00:57:36.478
I don't know.

933
00:57:36.758 --> 00:57:39.358
I don't know that a lie
detector test is a 100%.

934
00:57:39.358 --> 00:57:42.038
I've seen situations
in my lifetime

935
00:57:42.038 --> 00:57:45.078
where innocent people
have failed lie detector tests.

936
00:57:45.078 --> 00:57:48.838
So I don't see why guilty people
shouldn't pass them.

937
00:57:49.758 --> 00:57:51.398
Isn't a doubt in my mind

938
00:57:51.438 --> 00:57:54.718
passing the lie detector test
doesn't mean a thing to me.

939
00:57:55.278 --> 00:57:58.918
I'm absolutely sure that somehow
they cheated that too.

940
00:58:01.718 --> 00:58:04.798
So what happens,
more evidence coming every day.

941
00:58:04.838 --> 00:58:06.838
Yeah, yeah, we have more
evidence coming every day

942
00:58:06.838 --> 00:58:09.278
because a lot of people
like digging into it.

943
00:58:09.318 --> 00:58:11.918
Like everybody can see that
they're cheating, like big time.

944
00:58:12.118 --> 00:58:14.398
And what do they have left?
The only thing they-

945
00:58:14.558 --> 00:58:17.398
Some people are beside them,
but you know-

946
00:58:17.398 --> 00:58:19.478
I don't know about that,
I think like 98%.

947
00:58:21.238 --> 00:58:24.598
The information from these hands
he had looked at

948
00:58:24.598 --> 00:58:26.558
was not enough.

949
00:58:26.798 --> 00:58:28.238
He had damning hands.

950
00:58:28.238 --> 00:58:29.438
He had lots of stuff.

951
00:58:29.878 --> 00:58:33.998
But in of themselves
were not sufficient.

952
00:58:36.118 --> 00:58:38.478
My wife and also friends
that I had said,

953
00:58:38.478 --> 00:58:40.118
oh you need
to find the evidence.

954
00:58:40.118 --> 00:58:43.198
And to me that wasn't
so important.

955
00:58:44.358 --> 00:58:47.958
To me the evidence
were clear through the hands,

956
00:58:47.958 --> 00:58:51.438
through all the irrational
non-logical

957
00:58:51.438 --> 00:58:52.718
actions that they took.

958
00:58:52.758 --> 00:58:54.598
This is not like
proper bridge.

959
00:58:56.998 --> 00:59:00.198
It almost feels like the car
is not in the right gear.

960
00:59:00.198 --> 00:59:02.598
It's like we're playing,
but we're not,

961
00:59:03.078 --> 00:59:05.238
we're just revving that
there's just something wrong

962
00:59:05.278 --> 00:59:07.838
at the table.
I can't tell you what it is.

963
00:59:08.718 --> 00:59:10.478
Of course
we couldn't prove anything

964
00:59:10.518 --> 00:59:13.318
but we knew
they kept doing things

965
00:59:13.318 --> 00:59:15.318
that were impossible.

966
00:59:16.118 --> 00:59:18.998
The hand, that my partner
was very upset with him about

967
00:59:19.038 --> 00:59:21.438
was a hand
when Lotan led a club,

968
00:59:21.878 --> 00:59:26.158
a correct play based on math
would be to play a diamond.

969
00:59:26.158 --> 00:59:28.758
A club was actually
a very bad bridge play.

970
00:59:28.758 --> 00:59:30.198
It happened to be right

971
00:59:30.238 --> 00:59:32.318
because his partner had
an unusual combination

972
00:59:32.318 --> 00:59:33.638
that made it correct.

973
00:59:33.798 --> 00:59:37.438
How, how is this possible
if they weren't cheating?

974
00:59:41.358 --> 00:59:44.398
So we played once or twice
with Mr. Alder

975
00:59:44.438 --> 00:59:45.718
and his wife kitty.

976
00:59:45.718 --> 00:59:46.958
And he wrote a column
about bridge,

977
00:59:46.958 --> 00:59:48.558
for years
for "The New York Times".

978
00:59:48.558 --> 00:59:52.718
And this one time
we were playing the hand

979
00:59:52.758 --> 00:59:55.518
and I finessed a card
in a certain direction.

980
00:59:55.878 --> 00:59:58.278
And he literally
almost started screaming

981
00:59:58.278 --> 00:59:59.758
in the middle of the game.

982
00:59:59.758 --> 01:00:01.198
He's like, "Excuse me,
that should not work."

983
01:00:01.198 --> 01:00:02.838
And I was like,
"Well, it did, it worked."

984
01:00:02.838 --> 01:00:04.998
And you could see
his mind just go

985
01:00:05.038 --> 01:00:06.238
like tha, you know?

986
01:00:06.238 --> 01:00:08.678
But I tried something
and it worked

987
01:00:08.678 --> 01:00:10.238
which wasn't supposed to work.

988
01:00:11.198 --> 01:00:13.038
All bridge players do
illogical things,

989
01:00:13.038 --> 01:00:14.998
but they also end up
most of the time

990
01:00:14.998 --> 01:00:16.918
looking really stupid
when they do.

991
01:00:16.918 --> 01:00:19.278
These guys ended up
winning world championships

992
01:00:19.318 --> 01:00:20.918
by doing illogical things.

993
01:00:22.118 --> 01:00:24.198
You can almost think
about it in the same way

994
01:00:24.238 --> 01:00:26.518
as someone who does
too well at the stock market,

995
01:00:26.758 --> 01:00:28.878
they probably know something
that they shouldn't.

996
01:00:30.878 --> 01:00:32.798
And one defense could be.

997
01:00:32.798 --> 01:00:34.398
I'm just better than you are.

998
01:00:34.398 --> 01:00:35.958
I'm just smarter.

999
01:00:35.998 --> 01:00:37.718
You don't understand
because you're not at my level.

1000
01:00:37.718 --> 01:00:40.198
I'm so much better
at playing bridge.

1001
01:00:40.238 --> 01:00:43.758
Of course, it looks illogical
to you, but I'm so good,

1002
01:00:43.798 --> 01:00:46.238
you don't even understand
my brilliance.

1003
01:01:15.278 --> 01:01:17.718
I remember
that I was very emotional,

1004
01:01:17.918 --> 01:01:21.878
and I came there
with heavy feelings.

1005
01:01:56.518 --> 01:01:59.878
Even though I felt
that the bridge community

1006
01:01:59.878 --> 01:02:01.398
are a little bit biased,

1007
01:02:01.958 --> 01:02:02.958
I was happy.

1008
01:02:03.438 --> 01:02:06.278
I was happy
to have the first time

1009
01:02:06.718 --> 01:02:08.638
to tell my side of the story.

1010
01:02:19.638 --> 01:02:21.798
I remember their face.

1011
01:02:21.798 --> 01:02:23.878
They didn't even understand
what I'm saying.

1012
01:02:24.278 --> 01:02:27.718
Not because I was talking
Chinese or something like that,

1013
01:02:28.398 --> 01:02:31.518
because they don't even
understand the logic,

1014
01:02:31.518 --> 01:02:33.278
how I think about the game.

1015
01:02:49.838 --> 01:02:51.878
I led the hand
because I'm a genius

1016
01:02:51.918 --> 01:02:53.078
but he is a cheater.

1017
01:02:56.638 --> 01:02:57.918
Hi this is Steve,

1018
01:02:57.918 --> 01:02:59.238
please leave a message,
thank you.

1019
01:02:59.678 --> 01:03:01.518
It's Boye here,
I just wondered

1020
01:03:01.518 --> 01:03:04.598
if there was any more news
about the video footage.

1021
01:03:04.798 --> 01:03:06.518
If there's nothing to cover up

1022
01:03:06.558 --> 01:03:09.558
then just send those tapes so
we can check them with experts

1023
01:03:09.558 --> 01:03:11.278
and go over the tapes
with experts.

1024
01:03:11.278 --> 01:03:14.238
And if I find out that,
okay, the tapes are for real,

1025
01:03:14.238 --> 01:03:15.798
okay,
that's everybody's happy.

1026
01:03:15.838 --> 01:03:17.798
We just go, we'll get
the Israelis and that's fine.

1027
01:03:22.558 --> 01:03:25.678
We all lucked out
in that the year before

1028
01:03:25.678 --> 01:03:29.198
the European championships
had been filmed

1029
01:03:29.238 --> 01:03:30.318
for the first time.

1030
01:03:31.118 --> 01:03:34.158
What it meant was
that for the first time ever,

1031
01:03:34.198 --> 01:03:36.638
we had data.

1032
01:03:40.878 --> 01:03:44.918
Watching 100 hours of hell
is hard work.

1033
01:03:44.958 --> 01:03:48.758
And probably it takes
a particular character flaw

1034
01:03:48.798 --> 01:03:50.238
to enable you to do it.

1035
01:03:50.238 --> 01:03:51.798
None of us got paid.

1036
01:03:51.838 --> 01:03:54.838
I just, I worked nonstop
for the better part of a month

1037
01:03:54.838 --> 01:03:56.998
just going through hand after
hand after hand and just

1038
01:03:57.038 --> 01:03:59.638
getting evidence and looking
at what they were doing

1039
01:04:00.318 --> 01:04:02.078
and watched thousands of hours
of video.

1040
01:04:02.118 --> 01:04:04.478
And then when I worked
out yet, some of the time,

1041
01:04:04.518 --> 01:04:05.798
you had to actually watch
in slow motion

1042
01:04:05.798 --> 01:04:07.038
to see what was happening.

1043
01:04:07.638 --> 01:04:10.758
Some hands we thought
there was signaling

1044
01:04:10.758 --> 01:04:12.078
but you can get paranoid

1045
01:04:12.078 --> 01:04:14.598
at every little thing
that players do

1046
01:04:14.638 --> 01:04:17.478
and what means something
and what doesn't mean something.

1047
01:04:17.678 --> 01:04:19.478
And that's where
it gets difficult.

1048
01:04:20.238 --> 01:04:23.878
Placement of cards on a board,
the way things were turned.

1049
01:04:23.878 --> 01:04:26.598
To drinking bottle
on the table, on the floor.

1050
01:04:26.638 --> 01:04:28.118
The way you do
with your hands.

1051
01:04:28.438 --> 01:04:30.118
The bidding cards
wide or narrow.

1052
01:04:30.158 --> 01:04:32.798
You can do like this on
your shirt or move your watch

1053
01:04:32.798 --> 01:04:34.358
or do your fingers.

1054
01:04:34.398 --> 01:04:36.358
But if you move the bidding box
this way or that way

1055
01:04:36.358 --> 01:04:37.678
that could mean something.

1056
01:04:37.678 --> 01:04:41.038
If you wanna cheat
you can find a way.

1057
01:04:41.558 --> 01:04:44.598
Sounds were a big issue
we looked at,

1058
01:04:44.638 --> 01:04:47.998
sniffles, scratches, coughs.

1059
01:04:48.358 --> 01:04:50.598
I suspected that
whenever they coughed,

1060
01:04:50.838 --> 01:04:52.598
they had a very bad hand.

1061
01:05:00.558 --> 01:05:01.958
We were all making fun of it

1062
01:05:01.958 --> 01:05:03.958
'cause they were wearing
scarves in June

1063
01:05:03.958 --> 01:05:05.638
and stuff to pretend
that they were ill

1064
01:05:05.638 --> 01:05:07.838
but we all knew
it was not the case.

1065
01:05:09.758 --> 01:05:11.358
All over the world,

1066
01:05:11.398 --> 01:05:14.598
I got thousands of emails
and phone calls from China,

1067
01:05:14.638 --> 01:05:17.038
to Australia, the U.S, Europe.

1068
01:05:17.038 --> 01:05:20.598
And we felt, we knew,
we didn't know how.

1069
01:05:25.158 --> 01:05:27.398
Stopped mowing the lawn,
stopped paying the bills

1070
01:05:27.438 --> 01:05:30.598
like this, to me, this was
going into a kind of a bubble.

1071
01:05:31.758 --> 01:05:33.878
I wasn't afraid of losing
any, like my money.

1072
01:05:33.878 --> 01:05:35.438
They could take my money.

1073
01:05:35.438 --> 01:05:36.518
They could take my house,
they could take anything.

1074
01:05:41.998 --> 01:05:44.078
It was very strange for me

1075
01:05:44.078 --> 01:05:47.598
to get a lot of phone calls
from Brogeland.

1076
01:05:48.478 --> 01:05:53.718
[Phone rings]

1077
01:05:54.078 --> 01:05:56.918
During the day he's writing
those kinds of stuff.

1078
01:05:56.958 --> 01:05:59.318
And then later in the evening
he's calling me.

1079
01:05:59.358 --> 01:06:00.758
"Hey, Lotan, how are you?

1080
01:06:00.798 --> 01:06:02.398
How are you hanging on?

1081
01:06:02.638 --> 01:06:04.198
I am not mad at you.

1082
01:06:04.238 --> 01:06:06.838
I think you should come up
for the game.

1083
01:06:06.838 --> 01:06:09.198
You need to do
the right thing.

1084
01:06:09.198 --> 01:06:10.478
Everybody will appreciate

1085
01:06:10.518 --> 01:06:13.078
that you came forward
and you admitted."

1086
01:06:14.638 --> 01:06:17.358
I hope that he would come out
and say,

1087
01:06:17.358 --> 01:06:18.998
sorry, guys, we cheated.

1088
01:06:18.998 --> 01:06:21.318
And then we can build
on something from there.

1089
01:06:21.358 --> 01:06:24.238
And they would have to take
the certain number of years off.

1090
01:06:24.278 --> 01:06:26.758
And hopefully
that they could come back

1091
01:06:26.758 --> 01:06:28.198
and play a clean game.

1092
01:06:28.198 --> 01:06:29.558
Maybe not together,
but at least come back.

1093
01:06:31.878 --> 01:06:34.158
He would call them
and always give them a chance

1094
01:06:34.158 --> 01:06:39.238
to come clean and always say,
"If you admit what you've done

1095
01:06:39.238 --> 01:06:40.598
we would support and help

1096
01:06:40.598 --> 01:06:42.798
in whatever influence
we may have."

1097
01:06:43.798 --> 01:06:46.078
The ACBL encouraged people
to come forward

1098
01:06:46.078 --> 01:06:48.598
to say, "Hey, if you
come forward and admit this,

1099
01:06:48.798 --> 01:06:50.838
there will be leniency for you."

1100
01:07:11.038 --> 01:07:14.478
To come and say that I cheated
in bridge, when I didn't

1101
01:07:15.638 --> 01:07:17.278
is like, say

1102
01:07:18.918 --> 01:07:20.238
I worth nothing.

1103
01:07:22.278 --> 01:07:25.358
Bridge was
and still is everything.

1104
01:07:26.718 --> 01:07:28.918
I breathe bridge.

1105
01:07:28.918 --> 01:07:31.198
I go to sleep bridge.

1106
01:07:31.198 --> 01:07:32.878
My whole life is bridge.

1107
01:07:34.838 --> 01:07:39.198
And coming up and say
that I cheated in something,

1108
01:07:39.198 --> 01:07:40.758
which is everything for me,

1109
01:07:41.278 --> 01:07:44.718
is like giving up

1110
01:07:45.438 --> 01:07:47.198
everything inside me.

1111
01:07:48.278 --> 01:07:50.238
He never really
admitted anything.

1112
01:07:50.238 --> 01:07:51.998
It was still that we were wrong,

1113
01:07:51.998 --> 01:07:55.078
and we just put out accusations
that were just nothing in it

1114
01:07:55.078 --> 01:07:56.238
that we was just making up stuff

1115
01:07:56.278 --> 01:07:58.318
destroying their career
with this.

1116
01:07:59.198 --> 01:08:01.358
To me with this, like
with the "Me Too" campaign,

1117
01:08:01.398 --> 01:08:02.638
these kinds of things like,

1118
01:08:02.798 --> 01:08:05.158
sometimes people need
to wake up.

1119
01:08:05.158 --> 01:08:07.798
Like we need to see
that the culture we have here

1120
01:08:07.798 --> 01:08:10.318
is just wrong,
we need to do something.

1121
01:08:10.758 --> 01:08:11.758
And...

1122
01:08:12.118 --> 01:08:13.918
And when the authorities,

1123
01:08:13.958 --> 01:08:16.558
when the bridge federations
organizations

1124
01:08:16.598 --> 01:08:18.278
are not willing
to do anything,

1125
01:08:18.758 --> 01:08:19.998
what's the alternative?

1126
01:08:19.998 --> 01:08:21.278
What alternatives do you have?

1127
01:09:13.398 --> 01:09:15.038
I went to a cabin of ours

1128
01:09:15.038 --> 01:09:17.558
to try and get some sleep
and relax a little bit

1129
01:09:17.598 --> 01:09:20.158
because I had been working
so many hours.

1130
01:09:20.198 --> 01:09:22.998
I just slept like maybe
three, four hours a night.

1131
01:09:24.998 --> 01:09:26.558
And I couldn't sleep

1132
01:09:26.598 --> 01:09:29.558
because I was so gutted
and felt really really bad.

1133
01:09:33.038 --> 01:09:36.238
There was a Swede with
the name of Per-Ola Cullin

1134
01:09:36.918 --> 01:09:39.758
that in the middle of the night
sent me a text message

1135
01:09:39.798 --> 01:09:42.878
saying that,
"Wow, I know their code."

1136
01:10:04.878 --> 01:10:06.598
The normal thing is
to put it in the middle.

1137
01:10:07.438 --> 01:10:09.878
So here he puts it
very far left.

1138
01:10:11.558 --> 01:10:13.158
You could see

1139
01:10:13.198 --> 01:10:15.518
that it just couldn't be
random placement of the board.

1140
01:10:16.718 --> 01:10:18.038
This is huge evidence.

1141
01:10:22.318 --> 01:10:23.718
I remember I was crying.

1142
01:10:23.718 --> 01:10:27.278
And I phoned Ishmael Del'Monte
in Australia

1143
01:10:27.318 --> 01:10:28.758
and said this is
what comes here.

1144
01:10:28.758 --> 01:10:30.478
Can you have a look at this?

1145
01:10:31.678 --> 01:10:34.038
I remember like,
when he told me the code,

1146
01:10:34.078 --> 01:10:36.758
I was like, "My God,
that's so simple."

1147
01:10:37.358 --> 01:10:40.718
And he sent this
to Kit Woolsey in the U.S.A

1148
01:10:40.718 --> 01:10:43.118
And he looked through it
and tested it.

1149
01:10:44.598 --> 01:10:46.278
Because of the videos,

1150
01:10:46.278 --> 01:10:50.278
it is red-handed the evidence
is right in front of you.

1151
01:10:50.318 --> 01:10:52.118
This is the action,

1152
01:10:52.118 --> 01:10:54.478
the physical action
that was taken.

1153
01:10:54.678 --> 01:10:57.718
This is the hand
that the person actually held,

1154
01:10:57.718 --> 01:10:59.558
do they match?

1155
01:10:59.558 --> 01:11:01.558
In my opinion
that was a 100% evidence

1156
01:11:01.598 --> 01:11:03.038
that they were
doing something.

1157
01:11:08.198 --> 01:11:11.398
You wouldn't have to even
know the rules of bridge

1158
01:11:11.398 --> 01:11:13.598
to be able to look
at these videos

1159
01:11:13.598 --> 01:11:16.918
and say, yes
this is what they were doing.

1160
01:11:49.278 --> 01:11:50.838
I saw that and I was like, okay,

1161
01:11:51.438 --> 01:11:53.238
we nailed them a 100%.

1162
01:11:55.438 --> 01:11:58.318
Oh my God, yes, like
how did I not notice that?

1163
01:11:58.358 --> 01:11:59.678
How can I miss this?

1164
01:11:59.678 --> 01:12:01.238
It seems so obvious
once you know it.

1165
01:12:01.518 --> 01:12:03.918
[Laughing out loud]

1166
01:12:03.958 --> 01:12:07.718
You hear my evil glee,
the evil happiness in my laugh.

1167
01:12:10.038 --> 01:12:11.958
It's almost like those
"Where's Waldo?"

1168
01:12:11.958 --> 01:12:13.798
If you're looking for Waldo
and you get,

1169
01:12:13.798 --> 01:12:15.478
then when you find him,
you're like,

1170
01:12:15.478 --> 01:12:17.838
"Oh, he was right in the middle
of the page all along."

1171
01:12:30.838 --> 01:12:32.758
I remember the morning
when I woke up

1172
01:12:32.758 --> 01:12:35.038
was one of the most
happiest days of my life.

1173
01:12:35.078 --> 01:12:39.798
That finally we will get rid
of those bastards.

1174
01:13:02.918 --> 01:13:04.078
Poof...

1175
01:13:04.318 --> 01:13:05.838
Honestly, I can say

1176
01:13:05.838 --> 01:13:07.638
that it's very easy to believe
that we cheated.

1177
01:13:08.278 --> 01:13:09.998
Let's say I'm not Lotan.

1178
01:13:10.198 --> 01:13:12.598
And I'm not the one
who is in the story.

1179
01:13:13.238 --> 01:13:14.598
And I hear like

1180
01:13:15.238 --> 01:13:17.958
over and over again,
over and over again

1181
01:13:17.958 --> 01:13:19.838
no matter where I go
on the internet,

1182
01:13:19.878 --> 01:13:21.518
I read about it,
I read about it.

1183
01:13:21.718 --> 01:13:24.798
I see people writing that,
"He's a cheater, he is cheater,

1184
01:13:24.798 --> 01:13:26.198
he is a cheater."

1185
01:13:26.398 --> 01:13:28.238
They put it inside my head

1186
01:13:28.598 --> 01:13:30.838
and then I see
those kinds of videos.

1187
01:13:32.438 --> 01:13:33.718
I need nothing more than that.

1188
01:13:34.198 --> 01:13:37.478
I will be sure 100%
that they are cheating.

1189
01:13:37.798 --> 01:13:40.718
And no matter what people
will try to show me after,

1190
01:13:40.758 --> 01:13:42.518
I will still have it in my mind.

1191
01:14:03.958 --> 01:14:05.878
At that time I worked at CERN

1192
01:14:05.878 --> 01:14:08.238
the biggest lab of particle
physics in the world.

1193
01:14:09.158 --> 01:14:14.278
I was one of the main developers
of the statistical framework

1194
01:14:14.878 --> 01:14:17.758
of the search and discovery
of the Higgs boson,

1195
01:14:17.758 --> 01:14:19.758
so-called the god particle.

1196
01:14:22.478 --> 01:14:23.958
This is the particle

1197
01:14:23.958 --> 01:14:26.198
that gives all other
particles their mass.

1198
01:14:26.198 --> 01:14:27.998
And in a way,
one can show that

1199
01:14:27.998 --> 01:14:29.678
this is one of the basic things,

1200
01:14:29.678 --> 01:14:31.998
thanks to which we are living,
we exist.

1201
01:14:40.278 --> 01:14:42.438
I got a call from a lawyer.

1202
01:14:42.438 --> 01:14:44.198
And he asked me if I'm willing

1203
01:14:44.198 --> 01:14:47.598
to check some statistical issue
that has to do with bridge.

1204
01:14:47.638 --> 01:14:50.798
I told him, I don't understand
anything about bridge.

1205
01:14:53.518 --> 01:14:56.398
Turned out that this problem
of bridge has a lot to do

1206
01:14:56.398 --> 01:14:57.598
with what we do

1207
01:14:57.598 --> 01:14:59.358
when you search
for new particles

1208
01:15:00.318 --> 01:15:02.918
because it asks
the same question.

1209
01:15:02.918 --> 01:15:04.238
What is the probability

1210
01:15:04.238 --> 01:15:06.758
that the phenomenon
that we observe

1211
01:15:07.118 --> 01:15:09.678
is a fluctuation of nothing?

1212
01:15:11.038 --> 01:15:12.678
Or is it a real thing?

1213
01:15:13.078 --> 01:15:15.278
Are they cheating
or not cheating?

1214
01:15:18.398 --> 01:15:20.638
When I looked at the numbers,
I told them,

1215
01:15:20.638 --> 01:15:23.558
That I think the analysis
the people did on the case

1216
01:15:23.598 --> 01:15:24.638
is wrong.

1217
01:15:24.918 --> 01:15:26.598
I don't think there
was enough data to make

1218
01:15:26.598 --> 01:15:29.598
a fair statistical analysis
here.

1219
01:15:30.278 --> 01:15:32.998
The one that was done
was not kosher.

1220
01:15:34.558 --> 01:15:35.838
It's stinking.

1221
01:16:00.158 --> 01:16:04.358
We were filmed
over 250 boards,

1222
01:16:06.398 --> 01:16:12.198
they picked only 37 boards
out of those 250.

1223
01:16:12.358 --> 01:16:14.318
37 boards.

1224
01:16:14.318 --> 01:16:16.958
And from those 37 boards,

1225
01:16:17.198 --> 01:16:19.838
we showed them
and we proved them

1226
01:16:19.998 --> 01:16:24.798
that only six boards
confirmed their code

1227
01:16:25.238 --> 01:16:27.398
that they claimed
that we are cheating.

1228
01:16:27.598 --> 01:16:32.998
Now six boards out of 250,
this is not the pattern.

1229
01:16:33.038 --> 01:16:34.518
This is totally random.

1230
01:16:54.838 --> 01:16:56.838
I told them
"You look at the data

1231
01:16:56.838 --> 01:16:59.958
and you throw away
the cases that disturb

1232
01:16:59.998 --> 01:17:02.758
the hypothesis
you want to claim."

1233
01:17:02.798 --> 01:17:04.918
This is something
you don't do in statistics.

1234
01:17:14.558 --> 01:17:16.918
I felt like I'm talking
to a void.

1235
01:17:16.918 --> 01:17:18.238
Talking for nothing.

1236
01:17:18.838 --> 01:17:21.798
Nobody cares
about the statistics.

1237
01:17:21.838 --> 01:17:23.598
You look, and it looks
like they were cheating

1238
01:17:23.598 --> 01:17:25.038
and this is it.

1239
01:17:25.038 --> 01:17:27.598
Nobody cares about
probabilities, et cetera.

1240
01:17:27.598 --> 01:17:30.438
It just smells bad,
so it's bad.

1241
01:17:30.438 --> 01:17:31.478
This is it.

1242
01:18:23.038 --> 01:18:27.358
Unfortunately, there are
some cases that my memory

1243
01:18:27.398 --> 01:18:29.158
is not good for me,

1244
01:18:29.318 --> 01:18:31.958
because if I can
remember numbers

1245
01:18:31.998 --> 01:18:34.478
or if I can remember
credit cards,

1246
01:18:34.478 --> 01:18:36.078
I can also remember

1247
01:18:36.078 --> 01:18:38.878
the bad moments
that I had in my life.

1248
01:18:40.438 --> 01:18:41.918
Even if I want,

1249
01:18:41.918 --> 01:18:44.758
and even if I try to delete them
from my mind,

1250
01:18:44.758 --> 01:18:46.078
it will be impossible.

1251
01:18:46.358 --> 01:18:47.958
I remember everything.

1252
01:18:50.038 --> 01:18:55.118
So I remember
it was February, 2017.

1253
01:18:56.558 --> 01:18:59.798
I got the message from
the Israeli bridge chairman.

1254
01:19:00.998 --> 01:19:03.238
He told me that

1255
01:19:03.478 --> 01:19:06.838
I got an email
with the decision,

1256
01:19:07.998 --> 01:19:12.558
and I have two hours
to prepare for the media.

1257
01:19:13.078 --> 01:19:16.718
And probably some people
will call me.

1258
01:19:19.918 --> 01:19:21.318
So I'm reading this email

1259
01:19:21.318 --> 01:19:24.198
and I feel my heart
is pumping so quickly.

1260
01:19:24.798 --> 01:19:27.078
I'm putting my hand
on the screen

1261
01:19:27.918 --> 01:19:31.158
and starting to read
word by word.

1262
01:19:31.838 --> 01:19:35.838
And then I get to the paragraph
that they found us guilty

1263
01:19:37.198 --> 01:19:42.078
and I see: coaching -
banned for life,

1264
01:19:43.278 --> 01:19:45.358
watching - banned for life,

1265
01:19:45.558 --> 01:19:48.558
playing bridge -
banned for life.

1266
01:19:53.798 --> 01:19:57.278
It's like losing part of you,

1267
01:19:57.878 --> 01:20:01.518
like something inside you
is dead.

1268
01:20:02.078 --> 01:20:04.478
Like they take your heart
outside

1269
01:20:04.478 --> 01:20:07.838
and they break your heart.

1270
01:20:23.878 --> 01:20:25.198
I hate to lose.

1271
01:20:27.158 --> 01:20:30.878
I was very, very disappointed
from the results

1272
01:20:32.798 --> 01:20:34.278
very dissapointed.

1273
01:20:36.598 --> 01:20:40.238
I think they really hoped
that people will listen to me

1274
01:20:40.238 --> 01:20:44.878
but I understood
that I'm not gonna help them

1275
01:20:45.438 --> 01:20:48.158
because it's been
decided already.

1276
01:20:50.078 --> 01:20:51.878
In the middle of my interview

1277
01:20:51.918 --> 01:20:53.638
some point they stopped
the interview,

1278
01:20:53.638 --> 01:20:57.958
a guy comes and take the trophy
away from them.

1279
01:20:57.958 --> 01:21:00.358
And it is such
a humiliating moment.

1280
01:21:03.878 --> 01:21:07.478
It took every achievement
away from them.

1281
01:21:07.478 --> 01:21:09.038
It was like a murder,

1282
01:21:09.038 --> 01:21:10.918
they murdered them
from the bridge point of view.

1283
01:21:11.318 --> 01:21:14.878
They completely, they killed
the career completely.

1284
01:21:17.878 --> 01:21:20.478
They were not guilty
beyond any doubt.

1285
01:21:20.478 --> 01:21:23.118
No way, no way.

1286
01:23:02.438 --> 01:23:04.958
I didn't feel like
it was a satisfaction.

1287
01:23:05.158 --> 01:23:08.038
Not at all, I would say. It was,

1288
01:23:08.038 --> 01:23:10.318
I thought it was very difficult,

1289
01:23:10.518 --> 01:23:14.398
to go out against my friends.

1290
01:23:14.598 --> 01:23:16.958
I looked at them as friends

1291
01:23:16.958 --> 01:23:21.758
and in a way destroy
their bridge career.

1292
01:23:22.318 --> 01:23:27.598
I think at some point,
you have to make a stand

1293
01:23:28.198 --> 01:23:30.438
when you see
that things are wrong.

1294
01:23:34.278 --> 01:23:35.958
I was angry.

1295
01:23:35.998 --> 01:23:39.078
How dare a couple of people
try to take down our sport.

1296
01:23:39.118 --> 01:23:41.998
I felt that they were really
trying to take down bridge.

1297
01:23:44.958 --> 01:23:47.158
Do they understand
that they're unique

1298
01:23:47.158 --> 01:23:50.078
in the sense that they're
the only ones cheating?

1299
01:23:50.078 --> 01:23:51.438
Well, are they unique?

1300
01:23:51.438 --> 01:23:52.998
I mean, that's the fear.

1301
01:23:52.998 --> 01:23:57.118
I mean, that was my fear
as CEO is how unique was it?

1302
01:23:57.358 --> 01:24:01.198
Did we just uncover
the top layer of something?

1303
01:24:01.198 --> 01:24:03.398
And then
when you dug down deeper,

1304
01:24:03.438 --> 01:24:05.558
we would find
it was more rampant.

1305
01:24:06.158 --> 01:24:07.838
How deep does this go?

1306
01:24:10.918 --> 01:24:13.118
I think it kind of happened
when people saw

1307
01:24:13.118 --> 01:24:15.078
that it was actually possible
to prove

1308
01:24:15.078 --> 01:24:17.998
that someone was cheating
based on the videos.

1309
01:24:18.318 --> 01:24:19.758
And what did we do?

1310
01:24:19.758 --> 01:24:20.958
That people got
interest in maybe

1311
01:24:20.958 --> 01:24:22.758
in looking at other pairs too.

1312
01:24:25.398 --> 01:24:29.158
Now that we realize
what a gold mine,

1313
01:24:29.158 --> 01:24:32.118
these videos from the
European Championships are,

1314
01:24:32.158 --> 01:24:35.198
we get somebody
who's cracked the code on

1315
01:24:35.238 --> 01:24:36.598
Fantoni and Nunes.

1316
01:24:37.358 --> 01:24:38.958
Fantoni and Nunes,

1317
01:24:38.998 --> 01:24:40.958
was number one and number two
in the world rankings.

1318
01:24:40.998 --> 01:24:43.158
Boye called me and he told me,

1319
01:24:43.158 --> 01:24:48.638
"Pierre, may I kindly
request you to withdraw

1320
01:24:48.638 --> 01:24:50.118
from the Bermuda Bowl?"

1321
01:24:50.438 --> 01:24:54.478
I say, "What, whom,
what happens?"

1322
01:24:54.478 --> 01:24:57.438
He say, Fantoni and Nunes
are cheating.

1323
01:24:58.558 --> 01:25:00.238
There was a Dutch woman,

1324
01:25:00.238 --> 01:25:03.078
and she'd started looking
into Fantoni and Nunes.

1325
01:25:03.118 --> 01:25:05.398
And she came up with
was a very strange,

1326
01:25:05.438 --> 01:25:06.838
the way they put their cards.

1327
01:25:13.598 --> 01:25:15.118
They were very deliberate

1328
01:25:15.118 --> 01:25:16.638
about whether they would put
the cards vertically

1329
01:25:16.638 --> 01:25:18.798
or whether they put
the cards horizontal.

1330
01:25:19.518 --> 01:25:21.158
They were giving
their partner information

1331
01:25:21.198 --> 01:25:24.478
from the angle of the card
when it was on the table.

1332
01:25:30.478 --> 01:25:33.678
So I phoned up Fulvio Fantoni
after this came and I said,

1333
01:25:33.878 --> 01:25:38.158
you need to come out
and admit to some wrongdoings

1334
01:25:38.158 --> 01:25:40.438
and say that, sorry, yeah

1335
01:25:40.438 --> 01:25:41.678
we have been doing something.

1336
01:25:41.678 --> 01:25:43.918
Hello Fulvio,
it's Boye calling you,

1337
01:25:44.478 --> 01:25:45.878
Hi, Boye.

1338
01:25:45.878 --> 01:25:47.358
I'm not sure really
where to start yet,

1339
01:25:47.398 --> 01:25:50.238
but yeah, that I came over
things that I think,

1340
01:25:50.278 --> 01:25:54.278
with you and Claudio
that I thought was suspicious.

1341
01:25:54.558 --> 01:25:56.438
Yeah, he said
that he didn't cheat.

1342
01:25:56.478 --> 01:25:57.958
Like they didn't cheat.

1343
01:25:57.958 --> 01:26:00.078
It was all something
that we just cook together

1344
01:26:00.118 --> 01:26:03.598
and that we were jealous
and nobody admitting anything.

1345
01:26:03.598 --> 01:26:04.798
Good day, it's Peter here and

1346
01:26:04.798 --> 01:26:05.958
today I'm gonna talk

1347
01:26:05.998 --> 01:26:07.558
about another
cheating scandal

1348
01:26:07.558 --> 01:26:09.318
that's rocked
the bridge world.

1349
01:26:09.358 --> 01:26:11.438
The number and number two
ranked players in the world

1350
01:26:11.438 --> 01:26:13.158
were accused of cheating.

1351
01:26:13.158 --> 01:26:15.238
It's all shaken up the bridge
community in a big way.

1352
01:26:15.238 --> 01:26:18.278
Wow, this is all coming down.

1353
01:26:19.038 --> 01:26:21.078
Boye was a man on a mission.

1354
01:26:21.118 --> 01:26:23.838
Once we had people,

1355
01:26:23.838 --> 01:26:26.478
and even sometimes before,

1356
01:26:26.798 --> 01:26:29.158
he confronted them,

1357
01:26:29.158 --> 01:26:32.518
gave people a chance
to tell the truth.

1358
01:26:33.198 --> 01:26:37.758
And in all cases but one,
everyone denied and lied.

1359
01:26:37.798 --> 01:26:40.438
What happens now
when we clear

1360
01:26:40.478 --> 01:26:42.878
that our pair is not cheating?

1361
01:26:42.878 --> 01:26:44.478
No, that's not clear.

1362
01:26:44.478 --> 01:26:45.638
That's not clear at all.

1363
01:26:45.638 --> 01:26:47.678
Someone sent me a file yesterday

1364
01:26:47.678 --> 01:26:49.198
and when I looked
at that file,

1365
01:26:49.238 --> 01:26:51.918
I would say
it doesn't look good.

1366
01:26:54.478 --> 01:26:56.678
So why did people cheat?

1367
01:26:57.318 --> 01:27:01.718
Because they couldn't take
the rigors of brilliant play.

1368
01:27:01.758 --> 01:27:03.918
They couldn't take it,
I guess.

1369
01:27:03.918 --> 01:27:05.318
And they're the wrong people

1370
01:27:05.358 --> 01:27:06.798
the wrong people
cheat at bridge.

1371
01:27:06.798 --> 01:27:08.358
You just don't want them
in the world.

1372
01:27:08.398 --> 01:27:11.958
You just want them to go away
and play their own game.

1373
01:27:19.118 --> 01:27:21.398
I talked to Lotan
during this process,

1374
01:27:21.598 --> 01:27:24.998
I said, I hoped that he would
do something actively,

1375
01:27:25.038 --> 01:27:26.958
maybe that he could help
the bridge community

1376
01:27:26.998 --> 01:27:29.958
when maybe catching
other cheats also.

1377
01:27:29.958 --> 01:27:32.118
He's incredibly smart.

1378
01:27:32.158 --> 01:27:33.558
The guy, this Lotan

1379
01:27:33.958 --> 01:27:36.198
and we actually had
quite a long talk

1380
01:27:36.238 --> 01:27:39.758
and he gave me a lot of
information on the other pairs.

1381
01:27:40.198 --> 01:27:43.798
And he said if you wanna know
who I think is cheating

1382
01:27:43.838 --> 01:27:45.478
Fantoni-Nunes,

1383
01:27:45.478 --> 01:27:46.878
Balicki-Zmudzinski,

1384
01:27:46.878 --> 01:27:48.478
Piekarek-Smirnov,

1385
01:27:48.758 --> 01:27:50.398
and there was a Bulgarian pair

1386
01:27:50.398 --> 01:27:52.238
who they actually no longer
play together.

1387
01:27:52.238 --> 01:27:55.158
He even told me
an exact hand to go

1388
01:27:55.198 --> 01:27:57.598
and look the video
of Piekarek and Smirnov.

1389
01:27:57.918 --> 01:28:00.438
And I went and watched this hand
and he told me exactly

1390
01:28:00.478 --> 01:28:02.718
what he thought
their code was.

1391
01:28:03.798 --> 01:28:05.238
Lotan is laughing

1392
01:28:05.238 --> 01:28:07.398
because he knows exactly
what he's done

1393
01:28:07.838 --> 01:28:09.758
and because of how
he had placed the bid

1394
01:28:09.758 --> 01:28:11.838
and what Lotan thought
their code was.

1395
01:28:11.838 --> 01:28:14.078
He was pretty sure
he knew what he had.

1396
01:28:15.958 --> 01:28:17.038
Yeah.

1397
01:28:20.838 --> 01:28:22.238
Good day, it's Pete here,

1398
01:28:22.238 --> 01:28:23.918
I'm here to discuss

1399
01:28:23.958 --> 01:28:26.798
the breaking news of a
third pair, cheating allegation.

1400
01:28:26.798 --> 01:28:27.838
Good day, it's Pete here,

1401
01:28:27.838 --> 01:28:29.278
and I'm back to talk about

1402
01:28:29.318 --> 01:28:31.398
the new recent installment
of the cheaters.

1403
01:28:31.398 --> 01:28:32.918
Good day, it's Pete here,

1404
01:28:32.918 --> 01:28:34.918
today I want to do
a bridge cheating update.

1405
01:28:34.918 --> 01:28:36.958
And there is a new cheat.

1406
01:28:36.958 --> 01:28:38.758
New development and another pair

1407
01:28:38.798 --> 01:28:41.038
has been accused of cheating.

1408
01:28:50.638 --> 01:28:52.398
Do you think
some of the sponsors

1409
01:28:52.398 --> 01:28:54.078
might have been looking
the other way?

1410
01:28:54.078 --> 01:28:57.158
Absolutely,
and the professionals too.

1411
01:28:57.158 --> 01:28:58.918
I mean, there will be some
that will deny it

1412
01:28:58.918 --> 01:29:01.238
and say it never occurred to me
that they were cheating,

1413
01:29:01.238 --> 01:29:03.238
but I don't believe them.

1414
01:29:04.118 --> 01:29:05.678
Were they aware?

1415
01:29:05.678 --> 01:29:08.038
I can't say
what's in someone's head,

1416
01:29:08.038 --> 01:29:09.558
but I think it's impossible

1417
01:29:09.558 --> 01:29:11.958
they weren't hearing
the same rumors I was hearing.

1418
01:29:11.998 --> 01:29:14.718
So if they hired them,
they did it at their own risk.

1419
01:29:14.758 --> 01:29:18.398
These people don't wanna know
if they're cheating or not

1420
01:29:18.398 --> 01:29:20.358
and don't really maybe care.

1421
01:29:20.358 --> 01:29:23.598
They just wanna win so badly.

1422
01:29:23.598 --> 01:29:25.878
Maybe they don't care
how they win.

1423
01:29:26.198 --> 01:29:27.918
Maybe you get addicted to it.

1424
01:29:27.918 --> 01:29:32.598
Maybe you get addicted to
that winning and you can't stop.

1425
01:29:32.918 --> 01:29:36.758
A great player
had his sponsor hire a pair

1426
01:29:36.758 --> 01:29:39.398
that was highly suspected
to be cheating.

1427
01:29:39.678 --> 01:29:43.558
And his comment was,
"We couldn't beat the cheaters,

1428
01:29:43.558 --> 01:29:45.038
so we had to hire them."

1429
01:29:45.678 --> 01:29:48.238
Well everybody else
is hiring cheaters,

1430
01:29:48.238 --> 01:29:50.078
why shouldn't I hire cheaters?

1431
01:29:56.958 --> 01:29:59.558
It was very sad
for me personally,

1432
01:29:59.598 --> 01:30:01.758
but for for
the bridge community,

1433
01:30:01.798 --> 01:30:05.638
you have so many decent players.

1434
01:30:05.638 --> 01:30:08.998
You have so many
nice people around.

1435
01:30:09.038 --> 01:30:12.238
Some of those people
are being robbed

1436
01:30:12.478 --> 01:30:14.118
of their chances to win.

1437
01:30:18.038 --> 01:30:20.718
People had put in
their heart and soul

1438
01:30:20.758 --> 01:30:22.718
and their energy
and their life

1439
01:30:22.718 --> 01:30:25.598
into trying to become great
at something

1440
01:30:25.598 --> 01:30:28.478
and really caring
were playing on this field

1441
01:30:28.518 --> 01:30:29.598
that wasn't leveled.

1442
01:30:29.638 --> 01:30:31.398
And they were losing to people

1443
01:30:31.438 --> 01:30:33.158
that were not doing it fairly.

1444
01:30:36.478 --> 01:30:39.838
We were looking at the World
Bridge Federation's website

1445
01:30:39.878 --> 01:30:43.118
and they showed past winners
of various events.

1446
01:30:43.118 --> 01:30:47.038
And we were looking okay,
cheaters, cheaters, cheaters.

1447
01:30:47.078 --> 01:30:50.078
There was so many cheaters
accepting awards

1448
01:30:50.118 --> 01:30:51.598
and then this pictures.

1449
01:30:51.598 --> 01:30:53.158
And it was just really sad.

1450
01:30:56.318 --> 01:30:59.798
We got phone calls and emails
from people that said

1451
01:30:59.798 --> 01:31:01.558
they didn't want
to play the game anymore

1452
01:31:01.558 --> 01:31:03.758
because they were devastated.

1453
01:31:04.838 --> 01:31:06.638
They flew
to foreign countries.

1454
01:31:06.678 --> 01:31:11.198
They competed for days
and days and sweated, and tried.

1455
01:31:11.198 --> 01:31:15.198
And then you find out
that the team that you lost to

1456
01:31:15.198 --> 01:31:18.558
in the finals or semi-finals
were convicted.

1457
01:31:18.558 --> 01:31:20.278
It's almost like losing
to Lance Armstrong

1458
01:31:20.278 --> 01:31:21.878
in a bicycle race.

1459
01:31:21.878 --> 01:31:23.918
You worked all your life
to win the Tour de France,

1460
01:31:23.958 --> 01:31:26.638
[Crowd cheering]

1461
01:31:26.958 --> 01:31:29.198
you finished second or third
to somebody

1462
01:31:29.198 --> 01:31:33.718
that's later found to have
been gaming the system.

1463
01:31:34.038 --> 01:31:36.878
[Crowd cheering]

1464
01:31:38.398 --> 01:31:42.238
Every single world championship
of the last 30 years

1465
01:31:42.238 --> 01:31:45.198
has been invalidated
because we now know that

1466
01:31:45.198 --> 01:31:48.198
there were cheaters that
were in those tournaments.

1467
01:31:48.198 --> 01:31:50.918
And in most cases did very well
in those tournaments.

1468
01:31:52.278 --> 01:31:55.078
It's like invalidating 30 years
of bridge history.

1469
01:31:55.078 --> 01:31:57.198
It's like saying, you know,
Wimbledon didn't happen

1470
01:31:57.238 --> 01:32:00.478
over the last 30 years
because we now know that,

1471
01:32:00.478 --> 01:32:02.558
all the great players
were cheating.

1472
01:32:06.038 --> 01:32:09.038
I think that there are
a couple more pairs

1473
01:32:09.078 --> 01:32:12.078
that I would like to see
not play together.

1474
01:32:14.398 --> 01:32:16.238
And people of interest.

1475
01:32:16.438 --> 01:32:18.078
Are there suspicions going on

1476
01:32:18.078 --> 01:32:22.038
against new players
or now we're in this magic hour

1477
01:32:22.038 --> 01:32:24.558
in which nobody
suspects anybody?

1478
01:32:24.558 --> 01:32:26.878
I can't comment on that.

1479
01:32:33.278 --> 01:32:36.638
I play every day,
like three or four hours

1480
01:32:36.678 --> 01:32:40.518
sometimes till the late hours
of the night.

1481
01:32:41.598 --> 01:32:45.198
There are more
than 10,000 players online.

1482
01:32:45.198 --> 01:32:48.718
Some of them professionals,
you can see they have stars.

1483
01:32:48.718 --> 01:32:51.198
You can watch them
if you want.

1484
01:32:51.198 --> 01:32:52.678
You can see here,

1485
01:32:52.718 --> 01:32:55.238
now playing in other table

1486
01:32:55.238 --> 01:32:59.038
Jimmy Cayne is practicing
with his partner.

1487
01:33:00.798 --> 01:33:04.158
I'm playing with
a Bolivian partner

1488
01:33:04.158 --> 01:33:05.918
and he's playing so bad.

1489
01:33:05.918 --> 01:33:08.398
I would assume he is playing
bridge less than one year.

1490
01:33:08.398 --> 01:33:12.438
And if he's playing more
than that, he should quit.

1491
01:33:12.438 --> 01:33:14.238
If I was playing with him live

1492
01:33:14.278 --> 01:33:17.758
I will probably shout at him
like I used to do.

1493
01:33:17.758 --> 01:33:19.998
And sometimes
I really miss it,

1494
01:33:20.238 --> 01:33:21.798
what can I do?

1495
01:33:21.838 --> 01:33:25.798
Some people are not
that talented and it's okay.

1496
01:33:25.798 --> 01:33:26.798
I mean,

1497
01:33:28.598 --> 01:33:29.518
oh my God.

1498
01:33:31.278 --> 01:33:34.118
The things that he did
just right now,

1499
01:33:34.478 --> 01:33:36.678
it's like unbelievable.

1500
01:33:39.878 --> 01:33:41.878
This is embarrassing.

1501
01:33:44.318 --> 01:33:46.598
I can try to get

1502
01:33:46.638 --> 01:33:49.998
to play with some pros
or something like that,

1503
01:33:49.998 --> 01:33:55.518
but usually nobody will want
to play with me online.

1504
01:34:01.838 --> 01:34:06.198
You go with like an alias
or you go with your real name?

1505
01:34:06.198 --> 01:34:08.438
Usually I play with my own name,

1506
01:34:08.438 --> 01:34:12.478
lately people don't like
to play against me.

1507
01:34:12.678 --> 01:34:17.038
So I'm playing sometimes
on my friend's account.

1508
01:34:17.038 --> 01:34:18.598
And this is sad

1509
01:34:18.798 --> 01:34:20.478
but this is the reality

1510
01:34:21.238 --> 01:34:22.918
and I need to face it.

1511
01:34:24.998 --> 01:34:28.638
Do you ever play with Ron
as a partner online?

1512
01:34:28.678 --> 01:34:32.238
No, I mean, Ron hurt a lot

1513
01:34:33.758 --> 01:34:37.598
from the story and he lost
his passion to bridge.

1514
01:34:38.278 --> 01:34:41.678
I'm even afraid to ask
if he wants to play

1515
01:34:41.678 --> 01:34:43.398
because I know the answer.

1516
01:34:46.398 --> 01:34:48.638
Now I'm going to be dummy.

1517
01:34:48.958 --> 01:34:53.278
So my partner
he bought the contract

1518
01:34:53.478 --> 01:34:57.758
and he's going to take
responsibility for my cards.

1519
01:34:57.798 --> 01:34:59.078
And of course

1520
01:34:59.438 --> 01:35:02.078
it's better
that I will close the computer

1521
01:35:02.398 --> 01:35:03.998
with what he is doing.

1522
01:35:04.438 --> 01:35:09.038
And no, it's like sometimes
I take it as a nightmare

1523
01:35:09.038 --> 01:35:11.438
and sometimes I take
it just like a comedy.

1524
01:35:11.438 --> 01:35:12.998
Like you go to,

1525
01:35:13.398 --> 01:35:14.678
oh, my God.

1526
01:35:16.278 --> 01:35:17.558
I don't want to be rude

1527
01:35:17.558 --> 01:35:19.758
and ask him like,
to leave the table.

1528
01:35:19.758 --> 01:35:23.238
But it's like, it's a nightmare.

1529
01:35:26.878 --> 01:35:27.878
I mean,

1530
01:35:30.358 --> 01:35:33.958
I can be even very cynic
and tell him that,

1531
01:35:34.158 --> 01:35:36.598
well done partner.

1532
01:35:41.038 --> 01:35:42.438
I miss playing bridge.

1533
01:35:42.438 --> 01:35:44.678
I miss it that much,
that I don't even care

1534
01:35:44.678 --> 01:35:46.398
who I'm going to play with.

1535
01:35:46.598 --> 01:35:47.878
There is a screen anyway,

1536
01:35:47.878 --> 01:35:50.158
so I'm not going
to see my partner.

1537
01:35:50.158 --> 01:35:53.238
I don't care if you put Boye
Brogeland behind the screen,

1538
01:35:53.238 --> 01:35:57.878
you're going to put
the committee behind the screen.

1539
01:35:57.878 --> 01:35:59.718
I don't care,
I just play the cards.

1540
01:35:59.758 --> 01:36:03.998
And whoever I found out after
the game behind the screen,

1541
01:36:03.998 --> 01:36:05.158
Like, who cares?