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I think he's just gonna be so

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happy to be a free man.

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So happy to see his children.

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>> Oh, man.

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Damn, boy...

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(indistinct)

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>> 13 years ago, my face was

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all over the news media.

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The FBI told me I was on "Larry

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King Live" the day I was

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arrested.

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All right, let me get one more

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hug from everybody.

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Now, I'm just the average person

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walking down the street.

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>> This what took place

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because of bad choices of words

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that he made.

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And that's all he ever did was

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say... speak, talk.

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Nonsense.

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>> Batiste intended to recruit

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and supervise individuals to

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organize and train for a mission

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of war against the United

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States.

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>> Narseal, he had good

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intentions, but he is also a

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good conman.

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this is what you get-- mayhem.

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>> Federal authorities described

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the group as radical Black

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Muslims.

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>> Their goal was simple: to

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commit attacks against America.

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>> Just like the gang that

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couldn't shoot straight, they

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got convicted on not what they

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were able to do, but what they

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>> Six to eight people are now

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allegedly plotting to attack

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well-known U.S. cities.

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>> The federal government is

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calling this bust a major

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victory on the domestic front in

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this shadowy war.

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>> Next to being a pedophile, a

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terrorist is the next-worst

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thing you can be.

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>> Narseal Batiste claimed his

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soldiers would, quote, "Kill all

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the devils we can."

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>> An FBI informant promised

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them $50,000 if they pledged

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allegiance to Al-Qaeda.

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Investigation, they invented

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the players, they invented the

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theme, they invented how it was

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gonna go down-- they, they

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wrote this script.

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>> They conducted surveillance,

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they conspired to murder

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countless Americans through

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attacks that would be in their

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words "just as good or

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greater than 9/11."

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>> It can be just as good or

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>> This is not the case that

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they want America to see.

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that America needs to be

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>> In 2005, I was the acting

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The domestic Al-Qaeda squad.

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I was born in the Bronx, my

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military, went to school at

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night, and then I put in an

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FBI calls nine months later and

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events that happened on

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September 11, we all would have

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movie, but it could never happen

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in the United States."

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weapons, they used box cutters

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and, and complacency.

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>> On September the 11th,

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enemies of freedom committed an

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act of war against our country.

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all points to a collection of

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loosely affiliated terrorist

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organizations known as Al-Qaeda.

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>> Director Robert Mueller had

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been the director of the FBI for

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one week prior to 9/11.

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president, vice president, and

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others, uh, about the 19

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hijackers that we'd already

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learned about and everything,

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President Bush cut him off and

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said, "That's all well and, and

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good, Mr. Director, but I wanna

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know what the FBI is doing to

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prevent the next attack."

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Director Mueller's job was then

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to take that mission, to take

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the FBI from that reactive

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crime-solving agency to a

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preventative national security

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>> Mr. Pistole, with respect to

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preventing 9/11, obviously, you

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get a failing grade.

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FBI immediately after 9/11 is

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that there were other either

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sleeper cells or there were

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other terrorist operatives in

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positioned to commit a second

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about the FBI's history was the

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cooperating witnesses and

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This was, you know, like a

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movies, you know?

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>> Narseal was the baby, he was

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a cane, and his name was

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I said, "No, my brother is not

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Jesus."

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Then the next thing I know, my

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brother start changing.

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He start wearing diapers on his

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head and carrying a staff.

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>> Well, I created my own style

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of religion.

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You know what I mean?

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My, my robes and what I wore was

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very unique.

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Nobody else on the street wore

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what I wore.

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My style had something like, um,

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much more of a martial arts-

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Egyptian type of mixture

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outfit.

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I wore a lot of velvets and

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Indian cotton.

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Sage rope.

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A staff in my hand or a rod.

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That's what I looked like.

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An ancient type of holy man,

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looked like I stepped out of the

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Bible.

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>> Naz, beautiful brother.

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Beautiful brother.

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You see, like, he fell out of

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Heaven.

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You know, he had that innocent

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quality to him.

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>> And we choose...

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>> (translating to Haitian

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Creole)

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>> To worship almighty God...

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>> (translating)

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>> On this day...

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>> (translating)

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>> You are trusting in God.

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>> (translating)

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>> I've come here to tell you

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today.

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>> I was born in the United

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States, but my mom and dad from

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Haiti.

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17, 18, I got baptized.

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And when I got baptized, I was

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feeling it, you know.

335
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It was just something on me, I

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was feeling it.

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And by that time in my life, I

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knew things wasn't fair.

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>> And have power and

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authority...

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>> When we talk about leaders

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and who we look up to, you

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know, we looked up to Naz.

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'Cause Naz knew the Bible, he

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spoke it, and he really was

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about it.

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>> As a prophet of God.

348
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>> He grew up, you know, real

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close to God.

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So, we always was searching.

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So, when he smiled, you know, it

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was something that he had that

353
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was almost innocent.

354
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You know, he ain't, he wasn't

355
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spoil, spoiled like the rest of

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us.

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♪ ♪

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Naz was perfect.

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There was no street in him at

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all.

361
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>> I was, like, 19, 18.

362
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I was the youngest one out of

363
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everybody, and I, I was still

364
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going to night school trying to

365
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graduate-- a high school

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diploma.

367
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Naz was a Black activist.

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Wanting to help out the

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community.

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(shutter clicks)

371
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That's what you got off the top.

372
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(shutter clicks)

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He was really...

374
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(shutter clicks)

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...savvy when it came to the

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Bible.

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Decoding it or making the Bible

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in, in laymen's term, making it

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so, the point where I could

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understand it.

381
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He asked me to read a passage or

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something, he realized I

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couldn't read.

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And then he was, like, "Okay,

385
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it's all right, you can stop

386
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right there," and...

387
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Pulled me to the side later,

388
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he was, like, "Um, how

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old are you?"

390
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I was, like, "I'm, like, I'm

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19."

392
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He's, like, "You really should

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work on that, learning how to

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read."

395
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And I was, like, "Yeah, I know."

396
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He's, like, "If you want, I

397
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could help you sometimes."

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And I said, "Okay, cool."

399
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(shutter clicks)

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I done introduced Naz to Naudy.

401
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I done introduced Naz to my

402
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brother.

403
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Pat knew Sunny.

404
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Sunny brought Levi.

405
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>> Eventually, they did become

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my followers, they joined the

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temple, and they agreed to give

408
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me the, um, the head position

409
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as the, uh, the high priest of

410
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the temple.

411
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The actual temple was right

412
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across the street from a

413
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projects that they call the Pork

414
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and Beans projects.

415
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There's a lot of gun selling,

416
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drug dealing, and a lot of

417
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violence that goes on.

418
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And, um, drive-by shootings.

419
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>> So we rent the warehouse.

420
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But it was supposed to be a

421
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temple.

422
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A temple.

423
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We had Bibles, we had Quran,

424
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we had certain books, the Hare

425
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Krishna, we had certain books,

426
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'cause...

427
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It was, everybody was welcome

428
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to our table-- that was the

429
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whole one thing about why we

430
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called it the temple.

431
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Because what's in a temple, is

432
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where you actually get in your

433
00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:52,867
temple and pray.

434
00:13:52,934 --> 00:13:54,800
>> We wasn't Muslims.

435
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But we had to understand the

436
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religions of the world and how

437
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they related to the people that

438
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we going to talk to.

439
00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:05,033
So, 99%, we studied the Bible.

440
00:14:06,367 --> 00:14:07,934
>> The temple was called Moorish

441
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,734
Science Temple of America and

442
00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,400
Universal Divine Saviors.

443
00:14:12,467 --> 00:14:14,533
>> It sounded cool.

444
00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:15,934
Naz said, "The whole reason I

445
00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,834
came to Miami was to make all

446
00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:20,233
of you guys Moorish, Moorish

447
00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:21,567
Americans."

448
00:14:21,633 --> 00:14:23,100
I'm, like, "Moorish Americans?"

449
00:14:23,834 --> 00:14:25,433
>> You may not have heard of the

450
00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:26,667
Moorish Nationals.

451
00:14:26,734 --> 00:14:28,133
It comes from a Black religious

452
00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:29,233
group that's been around for

453
00:14:29,300 --> 00:14:30,500
nearly a century.

454
00:14:30,567 --> 00:14:32,500
Most of its members obey the

455
00:14:32,567 --> 00:14:33,734
law, but not everyone.

456
00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,800
>> This man was arrested by

457
00:14:34,867 --> 00:14:36,367
police in Fayetteville, North

458
00:14:36,433 --> 00:14:37,533
Carolina.

459
00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:38,800
But his wife claims the arrest

460
00:14:38,867 --> 00:14:40,400
was illegal because he is a

461
00:14:40,467 --> 00:14:42,667
member of the Moorish Nation.

462
00:14:42,734 --> 00:14:44,100
>> He has diplomatic immunity.

463
00:14:44,166 --> 00:14:45,133
Why are y'all doing this?

464
00:14:45,767 --> 00:14:46,867
>> He was telling me, um, the

465
00:14:46,934 --> 00:14:48,700
Moorish Science Temple is,

466
00:14:48,767 --> 00:14:50,667
like, indigenous people to

467
00:14:50,734 --> 00:14:52,767
America and we have sovereign

468
00:14:52,834 --> 00:14:54,133
rights.

469
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,300
And I didn't understand what

470
00:14:55,367 --> 00:14:56,900
none of that (bleep) was.

471
00:14:56,967 --> 00:14:58,533
I was, like, "What the (bleep)

472
00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,367
is sovereign rights?"

473
00:15:02,433 --> 00:15:05,700
>> What snatch you up is when

474
00:15:05,767 --> 00:15:07,367
they tell you you didn't

475
00:15:07,433 --> 00:15:09,100
come over here just on no slave

476
00:15:09,166 --> 00:15:10,934
ship.

477
00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,767
And the Moorish Science Temple,

478
00:15:12,834 --> 00:15:16,000
it mixed Christianity, Judaism,

479
00:15:16,066 --> 00:15:19,667
and Islamism all in one.

480
00:15:19,734 --> 00:15:21,867
They are geared to help the

481
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Black community.

482
00:15:30,433 --> 00:15:32,066
>> So we sitting down just

483
00:15:32,133 --> 00:15:33,200
building on the Bible and

484
00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:34,600
talking about making a great

485
00:15:34,667 --> 00:15:36,367
change, you know, and can we

486
00:15:36,433 --> 00:15:38,066
do it, can we actually, you

487
00:15:38,133 --> 00:15:40,000
know, change not just our

488
00:15:40,066 --> 00:15:41,266
condition, but the condition of

489
00:15:41,333 --> 00:15:42,266
our moms and dads and cousins

490
00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:43,400
and community?

491
00:15:51,333 --> 00:15:52,200
>> You know, you can't come into

492
00:15:52,266 --> 00:15:53,367
the community if you ain't no

493
00:15:53,433 --> 00:15:54,867
strong man.

494
00:15:54,934 --> 00:15:57,066
So, we came across, like, "Yo,

495
00:15:57,133 --> 00:15:58,934
we are soldiers."

496
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,000
You know, "We soldiers for God."

497
00:16:17,934 --> 00:16:23,400
♪ ♪

498
00:16:23,467 --> 00:16:24,333
>> They had uniforms that they

499
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:25,467
would wear, paramilitary

500
00:16:25,533 --> 00:16:27,533
uniforms.

501
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,500
Khaki-type shirt and they would

502
00:16:29,567 --> 00:16:31,066
wear the same type of pants.

503
00:16:31,133 --> 00:16:32,934
This is the Moorish star, you

504
00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,266
know, for the religion.

505
00:16:34,333 --> 00:16:35,533
And then of course, them living

506
00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,367
in America, they have the

507
00:16:36,433 --> 00:16:37,967
American flag.

508
00:16:38,033 --> 00:16:39,367
And what was so ironic about

509
00:16:39,433 --> 00:16:40,633
this whole thing is that the

510
00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:41,934
government tried to paint them

511
00:16:42,033 --> 00:16:43,934
as that they were un-American.

512
00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,767
>> You know, we brought in

513
00:16:46,834 --> 00:16:48,500
experts to tell us, "Hey,

514
00:16:48,567 --> 00:16:50,000
what...

515
00:16:50,066 --> 00:16:51,000
Which, uh, what flavor of

516
00:16:51,066 --> 00:16:51,934
Kool-Aid is this, 'cause we

517
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,834
haven't seen this before?"

518
00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:58,433
Something is not making sense.

519
00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:00,734
You had a group of guys that

520
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,600
were in Liberty City that

521
00:17:02,667 --> 00:17:04,200
wanted to meet somebody from

522
00:17:04,266 --> 00:17:05,467
Al-Qaeda.

523
00:17:05,533 --> 00:17:06,967
Everything had to be followed

524
00:17:07,033 --> 00:17:08,166
up.

525
00:17:08,233 --> 00:17:10,300
Because some of the things that

526
00:17:10,367 --> 00:17:12,500
fell through the gap that

527
00:17:12,567 --> 00:17:14,567
allowed 9/11 to happen, we

528
00:17:14,633 --> 00:17:17,200
could not allow for anything

529
00:17:17,266 --> 00:17:18,600
like that to fall through a gap

530
00:17:18,667 --> 00:17:20,700
again.

531
00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:24,934
I had never heard of the

532
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,133
informant, Abbas Al-Saidi.

533
00:17:32,233 --> 00:17:33,367
Abbas had worked at a

534
00:17:33,433 --> 00:17:35,533
convenience store, you know,

535
00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,233
in a medium- to low-income

536
00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:41,100
neighborhood.

537
00:17:41,166 --> 00:17:42,133
>> He started out as a snitch

538
00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,333
initially for drugs.

539
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,133
New York City has its own

540
00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,433
intelligence unit, which was

541
00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:52,100
focused on terrorism after 9/11.

542
00:17:52,166 --> 00:17:54,467
They found this young guy from

543
00:17:54,533 --> 00:17:56,767
Yemen who's pretty street-smart

544
00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:59,166
to be somebody that they could

545
00:17:59,233 --> 00:18:01,266
use in their investigation in

546
00:18:01,333 --> 00:18:03,333
New York.

547
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:04,600
At some point in time, there

548
00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:06,033
became a threat that they

549
00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:07,500
considered to be a threat

550
00:18:07,567 --> 00:18:08,767
against him.

551
00:18:08,834 --> 00:18:09,834
They encouraged him to move out

552
00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:11,200
of New York City.

553
00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:12,767
And, and ultimately, he, he

554
00:18:12,834 --> 00:18:15,000
moved down to Miami.

555
00:18:15,066 --> 00:18:16,433
>> I was 18 years old at this

556
00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,400
time, going on 19.

557
00:18:18,467 --> 00:18:21,200
I just kind of was in love

558
00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:23,467
with him and did what he... told

559
00:18:23,533 --> 00:18:24,734
me to do.

560
00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:25,900
And I trusted him.

561
00:18:25,967 --> 00:18:27,233
And that was one of my biggest

562
00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:29,433
mistakes.

563
00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:31,033
We had three dollars between

564
00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,266
the both of us and we got into

565
00:18:33,333 --> 00:18:35,467
a really physical argument.

566
00:18:35,533 --> 00:18:37,200
>> He beats the crap out of

567
00:18:37,266 --> 00:18:38,600
Stefanie one day.

568
00:18:38,667 --> 00:18:40,467
Uh, ends up in jail.

569
00:18:40,533 --> 00:18:42,367
>> I had bite marks on my neck,

570
00:18:42,433 --> 00:18:44,066
bruises on my face.

571
00:18:44,133 --> 00:18:46,033
Even though it was his first

572
00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:48,133
domestic violence, he went to

573
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,300
jail for a couple of months.

574
00:18:50,367 --> 00:18:51,734
He kept calling the connections

575
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:52,900
that he had in New York.

576
00:18:52,967 --> 00:18:53,867
>> He reaches out to the

577
00:18:53,934 --> 00:18:55,700
lieutenant in New York, "Hey,

578
00:18:55,767 --> 00:18:56,900
can you help me out, I'm in

579
00:18:56,967 --> 00:18:57,834
jail," yadda yadda, tells him

580
00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:59,000
the story.

581
00:18:59,066 --> 00:19:00,166
The guy says, "Look, I can

582
00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:01,233
maybe, you know, reach out to

583
00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:02,734
the FBI and see if they might

584
00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,967
have an interest," and an

585
00:19:04,033 --> 00:19:05,133
agent comes and visits him in

586
00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,633
jail.

587
00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:08,133
>> He told me that when he came

588
00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,667
out of jail, that the FBI was

589
00:19:10,734 --> 00:19:12,900
waiting there to go to work.

590
00:19:12,967 --> 00:19:14,834
He found the brothers and that's

591
00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:17,633
all he needed to do the job.

592
00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:20,000
>> I used to go to the corner

593
00:19:20,066 --> 00:19:21,333
store and see him all the time.

594
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,734
And he was extra-friendly.

595
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,633
He would try to act Black so

596
00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:25,633
much.

597
00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:26,700
Smoking weed in the (bleep)

598
00:19:26,767 --> 00:19:28,967
store, blasting Tupac.

599
00:19:29,033 --> 00:19:30,867
And I'm, like, damn.

600
00:19:30,934 --> 00:19:33,233
I was, like, this dude is wild.

601
00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:35,000
He was, like, "What's up?"

602
00:19:35,066 --> 00:19:36,333
I was, like, "Man, what's up?"

603
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,133
I used to go over to the store

604
00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,367
all the time buying 'gars and

605
00:19:38,433 --> 00:19:39,633
(bleep) to smoke.

606
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:40,934
>> The weed that he had, the

607
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,567
marijuana he had, was great

608
00:19:42,633 --> 00:19:44,600
substance and it was the kind of

609
00:19:44,667 --> 00:19:45,667
substance that I really enjoyed,

610
00:19:45,734 --> 00:19:47,500
so my friend that worked there

611
00:19:47,567 --> 00:19:48,734
would get it for me.

612
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,333
>> One day he see me with Naz,

613
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,033
he, like, "Oh, you know the

614
00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:53,200
brother!"

615
00:19:53,266 --> 00:19:54,266
And he switched it up, now he's,

616
00:19:54,333 --> 00:19:55,900
like, all Muslim and he's, like,

617
00:19:55,967 --> 00:19:57,700
"Yes, brother"-- he's not even

618
00:19:57,767 --> 00:19:59,133
using it, he's not smoking, he's

619
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,100
not using the N word, he's not

620
00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:02,967
cussing, he's all Muslim now.

621
00:20:03,033 --> 00:20:04,400
(laughs): He's a Muslim now.

622
00:20:04,467 --> 00:20:05,767
I'm, like, "What happened?"

623
00:20:05,834 --> 00:20:06,834
>> He seemed very religious but

624
00:20:06,900 --> 00:20:08,233
he seemed very street.

625
00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:10,533
Like, street hustler.

626
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,633
So, that's why I related to him

627
00:20:12,700 --> 00:20:14,166
in a sense, because he had

628
00:20:14,233 --> 00:20:16,633
game, he had a street vibe.

629
00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:23,834
>> One day, his cousin comes

630
00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:26,000
down, he, like, "Man, y'all

631
00:20:26,066 --> 00:20:27,500
don't wanna mess with Abbas,

632
00:20:27,567 --> 00:20:29,867
man," and then, we couldn't get

633
00:20:29,934 --> 00:20:31,200
it, 'cause we ain't thinking

634
00:20:31,266 --> 00:20:33,533
about no FBI, no police, or...

635
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,533
He, like, "Man, y'all don't

636
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,467
wanna mess with him, man, he

637
00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:36,900
dirty."

638
00:20:37,266 --> 00:20:39,633
>> I remember him saying, "Abbas

639
00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:41,100
is working with the police."

640
00:20:41,166 --> 00:20:43,633
Now, I was, like, "What?"

641
00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:44,967
>> He said Abbas was involved

642
00:20:45,033 --> 00:20:46,500
in setting people up with law

643
00:20:46,567 --> 00:20:47,967
enforcement.

644
00:20:48,033 --> 00:20:49,433
And that if he ever gets a

645
00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:51,166
chance to, he'll fabricate a

646
00:20:51,233 --> 00:20:53,367
story on me.

647
00:20:57,300 --> 00:20:59,633
>> That's where we met him.

648
00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:04,200
>> The government said that

649
00:21:04,266 --> 00:21:06,200
when I met Abbas, I went into

650
00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:08,433
his store asking him, "Can you

651
00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:09,500
hook me up with Osama bin

652
00:21:09,567 --> 00:21:12,000
Laden or any terrorist guy?"

653
00:21:12,066 --> 00:21:13,433
That's what they were saying.

654
00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:14,433
And...

655
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:15,433
>> Is that true?

656
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:18,200
>> No, it never happened.

657
00:21:18,266 --> 00:21:20,767
>> What the informant initially

658
00:21:20,834 --> 00:21:23,433
said: "I met a guy who has a

659
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:24,867
group.

660
00:21:24,934 --> 00:21:26,333
They wanna overthrow the United

661
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:27,600
States, they wanna meet an

662
00:21:27,667 --> 00:21:29,467
Al-Qaeda operative, and they

663
00:21:29,533 --> 00:21:30,767
wanna align themselves with

664
00:21:30,834 --> 00:21:32,800
Al-Qaeda."

665
00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:36,100
One of the critical capabilities

666
00:21:36,166 --> 00:21:37,900
that a terrorist organization

667
00:21:37,967 --> 00:21:39,633
such as Al-Qaeda needs is

668
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:41,367
resources here in the States.

669
00:21:41,433 --> 00:21:43,300
If they could acquire the

670
00:21:43,367 --> 00:21:46,600
capability of a U.S. citizen or

671
00:21:46,667 --> 00:21:48,433
a group of U.S. citizens that

672
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:49,900
are completely off the radar,

673
00:21:49,967 --> 00:21:51,667
well, that's, that's a pretty

674
00:21:51,734 --> 00:21:54,100
formidable threat.

675
00:21:56,133 --> 00:21:57,767
So, at the time, I'm thinking

676
00:21:57,834 --> 00:21:59,066
maybe something was

677
00:21:59,133 --> 00:22:02,934
miscommunicated, misunderstood.

678
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,266
You know, one of the ways we

679
00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:07,133
resolve that is reconstitute the

680
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,834
conversation and capture it on

681
00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:10,433
audio.

682
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:11,266
(tape recorder starts)

683
00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:13,000
>> This is Special Agent John P.

684
00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:14,166
Stewart with the Federal Bureau

685
00:22:14,233 --> 00:22:15,433
of Investigation, Miami

686
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:16,633
Division.

687
00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:20,633
Today's date, October 3, 2005.

688
00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:24,300
The time, 2:45 p.m.

689
00:22:24,367 --> 00:22:25,200
(phone calling out)

690
00:22:25,266 --> 00:22:29,433
(tape recorder stops)

691
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:31,066
>> Hm.

692
00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:32,867
It was just one of the worst,

693
00:22:32,934 --> 00:22:34,700
I guess you could say, things

694
00:22:34,767 --> 00:22:36,600
that could have ever happened

695
00:22:36,667 --> 00:22:38,800
to us in our life.

696
00:22:38,867 --> 00:22:39,934
Because this cry from this

697
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,500
man for Narseal to help him

698
00:22:42,567 --> 00:22:45,567
turned out actually to be

699
00:22:45,633 --> 00:22:49,400
what actually set

700
00:22:49,467 --> 00:22:52,266
everything for us in turmoil.

701
00:22:54,133 --> 00:22:55,433
>> The turning point between me

702
00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:56,567
and Abbas is when I went to the

703
00:22:56,633 --> 00:22:58,734
store, I seen ICE there.

704
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,200
Immigration Custom Enforcement.

705
00:23:01,266 --> 00:23:03,000
Abbas was rampaging back and

706
00:23:03,066 --> 00:23:04,900
forth in the store, "Brother,

707
00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:05,934
um, I'm in a lot of trouble

708
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,800
right now, they, they're

709
00:23:06,867 --> 00:23:08,066
trying to deport me."

710
00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:09,567
>> Of course, being the man that

711
00:23:09,633 --> 00:23:11,400
Narseal is, he would want to

712
00:23:11,467 --> 00:23:15,400
help at any given opportunity.

713
00:23:15,467 --> 00:23:16,800
Narseal had told him, "If you

714
00:23:16,867 --> 00:23:19,333
need any help, reach out to us."

715
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,467
And of course, he did.

716
00:23:24,233 --> 00:23:25,667
(sighs): And then from there

717
00:23:25,734 --> 00:23:26,567
started the nightmare.

718
00:23:26,633 --> 00:23:27,567
(tape recorder starts)

719
00:23:27,633 --> 00:23:28,867
(phone calling out)

720
00:23:28,934 --> 00:23:30,000
>> How you doing, brother?

721
00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:31,033
Eid Mubarak.

722
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:32,900
>> Just working like crazy.

723
00:23:32,967 --> 00:23:34,300
>> What time, what time exactly

724
00:23:34,367 --> 00:23:35,900
are you gonna be at the temple?

725
00:23:35,967 --> 00:23:37,300
>> Uh, I can't really say right

726
00:23:37,367 --> 00:23:38,300
now, 'cause I got so much work

727
00:23:38,367 --> 00:23:39,467
ahead of me today.

728
00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:41,533
(tape recorder stops)

729
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,734
The phone calls of him

730
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,533
calling me just, just increased.

731
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,700
Instead of being at, like, every

732
00:23:46,767 --> 00:23:48,100
two weeks, he'll call me, see

733
00:23:48,166 --> 00:23:49,200
how I'm doing, it was, like,

734
00:23:49,266 --> 00:23:50,667
every day.

735
00:23:50,734 --> 00:23:51,834
(tape recorder starts)

736
00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:53,033
(phone calling out)

737
00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:54,200
>> Um, I don't know, if you want

738
00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:55,500
me to come over or if you wanna

739
00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:56,800
come over, I'm, I'm, I'm free

740
00:23:56,867 --> 00:23:58,100
right now.

741
00:23:58,166 --> 00:23:59,400
>> They just called me on a job

742
00:23:59,467 --> 00:24:00,934
and I have to go look at a job

743
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,200
at the airport, so I'm gonna be

744
00:24:02,266 --> 00:24:04,233
leaving in about an hour.

745
00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:05,367
He's saying he needs to meet me

746
00:24:05,433 --> 00:24:06,266
right away.

747
00:24:06,333 --> 00:24:07,266
(tape recorder stops)

748
00:24:07,333 --> 00:24:08,834
>> And what was your response?

749
00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:09,734
>> Uh, as soon as I get a chance

750
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,800
to, 'cause I was very busy with

751
00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:11,700
work.

752
00:24:11,767 --> 00:24:13,166
With the construction company.

753
00:24:13,767 --> 00:24:24,934
(phone calling out)

754
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:25,867
(voicemail beeps softly)

755
00:24:25,934 --> 00:24:27,433
>> Azteca Stucco & Masonry.

756
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:28,934
I loved the name Azteca because

757
00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:30,834
of the Aztec, um...

758
00:24:31,533 --> 00:24:33,600
Ancient Indians were, uh,

759
00:24:33,667 --> 00:24:35,800
master builders, so I adopted

760
00:24:35,867 --> 00:24:36,800
that.

761
00:24:36,867 --> 00:24:38,934
(camera shutter clicking)

762
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,500
>> Pat was in the construction

763
00:24:40,567 --> 00:24:42,166
field.

764
00:24:42,233 --> 00:24:43,033
Sunny was in the construction

765
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:44,233
field.

766
00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:45,834
Naz was a truck driver.

767
00:24:45,900 --> 00:24:47,200
I was doing security and a

768
00:24:47,266 --> 00:24:49,000
little side hustle.

769
00:24:49,066 --> 00:24:51,233
And we needed to make money.

770
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:55,333
Pat was, like, "I have an idea."

771
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,800
>> We gonna team up and, you

772
00:24:56,867 --> 00:24:58,100
know, let's put a small

773
00:24:58,166 --> 00:25:01,000
construction company together.

774
00:25:01,066 --> 00:25:02,600
We got the skills, we got the

775
00:25:02,667 --> 00:25:03,867
determination, we got a

776
00:25:03,934 --> 00:25:05,667
willingness, and we got--

777
00:25:05,734 --> 00:25:06,367
there's the need.

778
00:25:06,433 --> 00:25:08,100
(shutter clicks)

779
00:25:08,166 --> 00:25:10,700
>> I'm coming home, dead tired,

780
00:25:10,767 --> 00:25:12,500
and man, I was happy.

781
00:25:12,567 --> 00:25:14,600
I was, like, "Man, I'm doing

782
00:25:14,667 --> 00:25:16,333
something, I'm doing something.

783
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,900
You know, change is coming."

784
00:25:17,967 --> 00:25:19,400
(shutter clicking)

785
00:25:19,467 --> 00:25:21,333
It was the first time in my life

786
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,967
I was working towards my own

787
00:25:23,033 --> 00:25:24,100
business.

788
00:25:24,166 --> 00:25:25,300
My own business.

789
00:25:25,367 --> 00:25:26,300
(shutter clicks)

790
00:25:26,367 --> 00:25:28,500
>> I dived all in, I had all

791
00:25:28,567 --> 00:25:29,734
my cards in the construction

792
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,767
game.

793
00:25:30,834 --> 00:25:32,667
Sacrificed weeks without even

794
00:25:32,734 --> 00:25:36,533
getting paid, wake up... early,

795
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,500
and go to sleep late.

796
00:25:37,567 --> 00:25:39,033
And there's no money on the

797
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,567
table-- I'm not getting paid.

798
00:25:41,633 --> 00:25:43,166
>> We had several instances

799
00:25:43,233 --> 00:25:44,667
where we were not getting paid,

800
00:25:44,734 --> 00:25:46,600
plus the investment we already

801
00:25:46,667 --> 00:25:48,200
had made into, uh, remodeling

802
00:25:48,266 --> 00:25:49,600
the temple.

803
00:25:49,667 --> 00:25:51,333
So we was at a financial...

804
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,700
Just rough.

805
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,100
>> The biggest mistake he was

806
00:26:06,166 --> 00:26:08,867
consistently making was using

807
00:26:08,934 --> 00:26:10,133
other job money to cover other

808
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,500
job because he underestimated

809
00:26:11,567 --> 00:26:12,734
this job.

810
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,934
The number-one rule in

811
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,266
construction: every job pay

812
00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:16,367
itself.

813
00:26:16,433 --> 00:26:18,500
You don't use money from another

814
00:26:18,567 --> 00:26:20,533
job to cover bills in another

815
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,600
job-- that's bad business.

816
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,066
>> I just knew it became very

817
00:26:34,133 --> 00:26:36,133
overwhelming for him.

818
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,533
Oftentimes he would just not

819
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,867
sleep.

820
00:26:39,934 --> 00:26:41,500
Everybody wanted a, a better

821
00:26:41,567 --> 00:26:43,567
way of living, so he felt the

822
00:26:43,633 --> 00:26:44,800
pressure of all these families

823
00:26:44,867 --> 00:26:46,066
on him.

824
00:26:46,133 --> 00:26:47,800
(shutter clicks)

825
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,166
>> Test.

826
00:26:53,233 --> 00:26:54,900
This is Balan, today's date is

827
00:26:54,967 --> 00:26:57,967
11-21-2005.

828
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:02,467
Time is 1:38 p.m.

829
00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:06,033
This recording includes A.K.A.

830
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:07,900
Brother Naz.

831
00:27:07,967 --> 00:27:10,767
(phone calling out)

832
00:27:10,834 --> 00:27:12,266
>> Hi.

833
00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:13,433
>> As-salaam alaykum.

834
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:14,467
>> Yeah?

835
00:27:14,533 --> 00:27:15,500
>> How you doing, akhi, what's

836
00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:16,600
going on?

837
00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:17,967
>> Hey, what's up, Ab?

838
00:27:18,033 --> 00:27:19,133
>> Alhamdulillah, alhamdulillah,

839
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,734
you okay, akhi?

840
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,900
>> Yeah, (inaudible), hanging in

841
00:27:21,967 --> 00:27:22,834
there.

842
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:24,867
>> I hear you, brother.

843
00:27:24,934 --> 00:27:26,066
>> I've been working, but I'm

844
00:27:26,133 --> 00:27:27,500
gonna get off early today.

845
00:27:27,567 --> 00:27:29,066
I'll probably be at the temple

846
00:27:29,133 --> 00:27:30,567
around 7:00.

847
00:27:30,633 --> 00:27:31,767
>> Okay, so you want me to meet

848
00:27:31,834 --> 00:27:33,433
you at the temple at 7:00, or do

849
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:35,433
you wanna come over to the,

850
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,266
to the, um, to the house?

851
00:27:37,333 --> 00:27:39,100
>> Uh...

852
00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:40,867
>> I mean, I'm in my house.

853
00:27:40,934 --> 00:27:42,767
It's, it's more safe, you know?

854
00:27:42,834 --> 00:27:45,266
Over here, it's, it's quiet.

855
00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:47,133
>> Okay, I'll, I'll be there

856
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,367
around 7:00, then.

857
00:27:48,433 --> 00:27:49,567
>> All right, brother, thank you

858
00:27:49,633 --> 00:27:51,133
very much, man.

859
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,934
(phone disconnects)

860
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,533
>> Abbas kept begging and

861
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,400
begging, begging, he just

862
00:27:55,467 --> 00:27:56,834
kept promising, "You just don't

863
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:57,867
realize the opportunity that

864
00:27:57,934 --> 00:27:59,333
I can have for you."

865
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,300
You know, "We're gonna do

866
00:28:00,367 --> 00:28:01,133
something really, really, really

867
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,433
great.

868
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:04,533
Together, financially."

869
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,266
"I could really help you guys,

870
00:28:06,333 --> 00:28:07,567
if you just trust me just a

871
00:28:07,633 --> 00:28:08,467
little bit, just to come by and

872
00:28:08,533 --> 00:28:11,100
talk."

873
00:28:11,166 --> 00:28:13,033
>> So it wasn't, "Let's see how

874
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:14,400
we can build a mousetrap, put

875
00:28:14,467 --> 00:28:16,867
a big piece of cheese on there."

876
00:28:16,934 --> 00:28:18,033
Listen, I don't even know if

877
00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:20,600
this is a mouse.

878
00:28:20,667 --> 00:28:22,333
And if it is a mouse, I don't

879
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,200
even know if this mouse wants

880
00:28:24,266 --> 00:28:25,667
any cheese.

881
00:28:25,734 --> 00:28:28,000
So...

882
00:28:28,066 --> 00:28:29,667
We looked at Batiste and said

883
00:28:29,734 --> 00:28:31,467
he doesn't look like, you know,

884
00:28:31,533 --> 00:28:32,700
I don't know, he's...

885
00:28:32,767 --> 00:28:34,000
He's saying these things that a

886
00:28:34,066 --> 00:28:35,433
mouse would say, but let's give

887
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:36,934
him another shot.

888
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,133
And then we had nowhere else

889
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,767
to go but to put the piece of

890
00:28:40,834 --> 00:28:42,934
cheese on the trap.

891
00:28:48,266 --> 00:28:50,100
When you're sending an informant

892
00:28:50,166 --> 00:28:53,166
into a meeting, you're not

893
00:28:53,233 --> 00:28:54,700
giving them a script.

894
00:28:54,767 --> 00:28:56,133
You're giving them an outline,

895
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,500
with a, with some objectives

896
00:28:57,567 --> 00:28:59,934
to achieve.

897
00:29:01,233 --> 00:29:03,367
Revisit this conversation.

898
00:29:03,433 --> 00:29:05,567
Let Batiste explain in his own

899
00:29:05,633 --> 00:29:08,900
words what it is that he was

900
00:29:08,967 --> 00:29:12,367
asking Abbas for assistance in.

901
00:29:12,433 --> 00:29:15,533
The outline for that was in the

902
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,633
form of Abbas telling Narseal

903
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:20,734
Batiste, "Remember you told me

904
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,333
you wanted to meet an Al-Qaeda

905
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,400
guy.

906
00:29:23,467 --> 00:29:25,734
Um, well, I, I got the guy."

907
00:29:27,767 --> 00:29:28,867
>> Abbas has a friend of his

908
00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:31,333
that he wants me to meet who's

909
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,266
a financial guy, a rich guy,

910
00:29:33,333 --> 00:29:34,433
this, that, and the other.

911
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:35,567
And that he would help back us

912
00:29:35,633 --> 00:29:36,967
at whatever we needed.

913
00:29:37,033 --> 00:29:38,333
But we need to follow his

914
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,333
direction in this.

915
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,300
>> Okay, so he wants us to make

916
00:29:41,367 --> 00:29:42,433
sure that we're really good

917
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:43,600
Muslims.

918
00:29:43,667 --> 00:29:44,767
He's, like, "Yeah, you gotta be

919
00:29:44,834 --> 00:29:46,800
really good, good Muslim men.

920
00:29:47,033 --> 00:29:49,100
And no Christianity, so, so go

921
00:29:49,166 --> 00:29:50,600
buy some Qurans."

922
00:29:50,667 --> 00:29:53,867
I'm, like, "Uh-huh."

923
00:29:53,934 --> 00:29:57,867
>> Abbas told Naz he has a uncle

924
00:29:57,934 --> 00:29:59,066
coming down who's a

925
00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:00,166
philanthropist.

926
00:30:00,233 --> 00:30:01,700
And he love people who's helping

927
00:30:01,767 --> 00:30:03,133
the community.

928
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,533
That's what Abbas must have

929
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,600
repeated a thousand times: "Man,

930
00:30:06,667 --> 00:30:07,800
my uncle like to help people

931
00:30:07,867 --> 00:30:08,934
who help people.

932
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,033
Don't worry about nothing.

933
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,066
He's-- that's what he do."

934
00:30:11,133 --> 00:30:12,400
>> "I'm gonna talk to my uncle.

935
00:30:12,467 --> 00:30:14,166
My uncle going to help you.

936
00:30:14,233 --> 00:30:15,367
You know, he gonna get some

937
00:30:15,433 --> 00:30:16,467
money and we all gonna, you

938
00:30:16,533 --> 00:30:17,467
know, we're all gonna make

939
00:30:17,533 --> 00:30:18,233
some money."

940
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:19,033
>> We wanted the money, we

941
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:21,200
wanted the funds, 'cause we...

942
00:30:21,266 --> 00:30:22,700
We were (bleep) up bad.

943
00:30:22,767 --> 00:30:24,266
Nobody had the knowledge of how

944
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:25,867
to run a business.

945
00:30:25,934 --> 00:30:27,533
So we was (bleep) up what we was

946
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,667
doing.

947
00:30:29,734 --> 00:30:32,100
>> This is Balan, the date is

948
00:30:32,166 --> 00:30:36,600
11-21-2005, the time is 7:58

949
00:30:36,667 --> 00:30:38,000
p.m.

950
00:30:38,066 --> 00:30:42,567
(phone calling out)

951
00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:43,934
>> Akhi!

952
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,000
>> Akhi, how you doing, man?

953
00:30:45,066 --> 00:30:46,967
That's Brother Naz, huh?

954
00:30:47,033 --> 00:30:48,500
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

955
00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:49,867
>> I'm waiting for you, man.

956
00:30:49,934 --> 00:30:51,000
How you doing, what's going on?

957
00:30:51,066 --> 00:30:52,967
>> Rock on, brother, rock on!

958
00:30:53,033 --> 00:30:54,066
>> All right, all right, I just

959
00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:55,367
don't wanna be missing anything,

960
00:30:55,433 --> 00:30:56,467
because I'm praying alone and I

961
00:30:56,533 --> 00:30:57,633
don't like it, man, I'm waiting

962
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,100
for you for isha.

963
00:30:59,166 --> 00:31:00,367
>> Oh, inshallah, we're gonna be

964
00:31:00,433 --> 00:31:01,767
there in two or three minutes.

965
00:31:01,834 --> 00:31:03,734
>> Okay, inshallah, akhi.

966
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,834
>> Inshallah, man, salaam

967
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,000
alaykum.

968
00:31:06,066 --> 00:31:07,367
>> Mashallah.

969
00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:10,333
(phone disconnects)

970
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,033
The time is 7:59 p.m.

971
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,867
This recording is ended.

972
00:31:16,066 --> 00:31:17,367
(tape recorder stops)

973
00:31:17,433 --> 00:31:22,934
(dog barking, crickets chirping)

974
00:31:28,567 --> 00:31:33,567
(knock at door)

975
00:31:33,633 --> 00:31:37,133
(indistinct chatter)

976
00:31:42,967 --> 00:31:44,133
>> When we get there, we're

977
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:44,934
still in our work clothes

978
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,900
'cause we just left a job.

979
00:31:46,967 --> 00:31:49,166
Me and Patrick Abraham.

980
00:31:49,233 --> 00:31:53,333
(indistinct chatter)

981
00:32:00,133 --> 00:32:01,166
We were just kind of, like,

982
00:32:01,233 --> 00:32:02,500
clowning around.

983
00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:04,934
(indistinct chatter)

984
00:32:05,667 --> 00:32:07,133
Just laughing and talking

985
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,834
about the situation that Abbas

986
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:11,367
was, was talking to us about.

987
00:32:20,033 --> 00:32:21,233
>> Our intention from the

988
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:23,066
beginning was to put this to

989
00:32:23,133 --> 00:32:24,500
bed.

990
00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:25,667
He wants to meet Al-Qaeda?

991
00:32:25,734 --> 00:32:27,033
Okay, tell him you got a guy,

992
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,333
see what he says.

993
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,600
The expected response would be,

994
00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:30,700
"Well, what are you, what are

995
00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:32,033
you, what are you talking about?

996
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:33,467
I, I never-- I don't

997
00:32:33,533 --> 00:32:35,200
remember ever saying that."

998
00:33:10,066 --> 00:33:11,900
>> He could have said, "Hey,

999
00:33:11,967 --> 00:33:14,367
listen, I, I was a little out

1000
00:33:14,433 --> 00:33:16,834
of my lane, I was off my meds,

1001
00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:18,133
and I don't know what you're

1002
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,333
talking about."

1003
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,033
And then we would have happily

1004
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,166
have closed that investigation,

1005
00:33:23,233 --> 00:33:24,900
because it wasn't like we were

1006
00:33:24,967 --> 00:33:26,500
looking for work.

1007
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,333
>> I thought Abbas was an avenue

1008
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,066
to relinquish my financial

1009
00:33:40,133 --> 00:33:41,400
difficulty.

1010
00:33:41,467 --> 00:33:43,467
If I can just get the money, I

1011
00:33:43,533 --> 00:33:45,333
can pay these immediate bills.

1012
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,934
That was the only thing that

1013
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,133
kept driving me: that if I get

1014
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,967
that one handful of money, then

1015
00:33:52,033 --> 00:33:53,467
it's over with.

1016
00:34:13,433 --> 00:34:17,834
I had no belief into, um,

1017
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:19,800
fighting any jihad, holy war,

1018
00:34:19,867 --> 00:34:21,567
or anything that's going on in

1019
00:34:21,633 --> 00:34:22,567
the Middle East.

1020
00:34:22,633 --> 00:34:23,433
And even though it was against

1021
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:24,700
my morals and values, I felt

1022
00:34:24,767 --> 00:34:25,934
like if I could go through it

1023
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,266
and just get the money, then all

1024
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:30,133
of that would be washed away.

1025
00:34:46,834 --> 00:34:48,066
>> "Well, Tony, we got the

1026
00:34:48,133 --> 00:34:49,000
tape."

1027
00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:50,800
"Okay, so what are we doing?"

1028
00:34:50,867 --> 00:34:52,333
"Well, he asked him, 'Hey, you

1029
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,700
remember when you wanted to

1030
00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:54,734
meet the...?', and he said,

1031
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,800
'Yeah.'"

1032
00:34:55,867 --> 00:34:56,633
"So what, what are we doing

1033
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:57,633
now?"

1034
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:01,233
"Okay, well, you, you're gonna

1035
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:02,700
have to put somebody that's

1036
00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:04,033
gonna pretend to be Al-Qaeda

1037
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,333
in front of him."

1038
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,400
>> My name is Elie Assaad,

1039
00:35:07,467 --> 00:35:09,000
former undercover operative for

1040
00:35:09,066 --> 00:35:11,467
United State, uh, government.

1041
00:35:11,533 --> 00:35:13,834
>> We identified an informant

1042
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:15,834
that had been previously used in

1043
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,700
another FBI investigation in

1044
00:35:17,767 --> 00:35:19,166
Miami.

1045
00:35:19,233 --> 00:35:20,734
>> So, they needed to, to get

1046
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,934
somebody else, a little bit

1047
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,033
stronger, a little bit more

1048
00:35:23,100 --> 00:35:25,200
forceful, so they bring in the

1049
00:35:25,266 --> 00:35:26,734
closer.

1050
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,967
The closer is, is, uh, Elie

1051
00:35:29,033 --> 00:35:30,333
Assaad.

1052
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,600
And Elie Assaad was a

1053
00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:33,133
professional informant.

1054
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,767
He used to refer to himself to

1055
00:35:34,834 --> 00:35:36,500
his friends as Tony Montana

1056
00:35:36,567 --> 00:35:38,467
from the, uh, "Scarface," you

1057
00:35:38,533 --> 00:35:40,166
know, the, the evil character.

1058
00:35:40,233 --> 00:35:42,000
>> Are we ready?

1059
00:35:42,066 --> 00:35:43,166
>> You ready?

1060
00:35:43,233 --> 00:35:45,266
>> Hold on, one second.

1061
00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:47,567
>> Sure, okay.

1062
00:35:47,633 --> 00:35:48,533
>> When we initially got the

1063
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,667
information, we're looking at

1064
00:35:49,734 --> 00:35:51,100
this, and we're, like, "Do we

1065
00:35:51,166 --> 00:35:52,166
think that these guys really

1066
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:52,867
wanna meet somebody from

1067
00:35:52,934 --> 00:35:54,567
Al-Qaeda?"

1068
00:35:54,633 --> 00:35:56,333
You know, common sense sort of

1069
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,367
suggested probably not, but

1070
00:35:59,433 --> 00:36:00,467
let's see where it goes.

1071
00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:02,166
And so we decided on using him

1072
00:36:02,233 --> 00:36:03,500
because we did not expect for it

1073
00:36:03,567 --> 00:36:05,333
to go beyond that first meeting.

1074
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,400
>> I'm good, I never lost a

1075
00:36:06,467 --> 00:36:08,700
case.

1076
00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:09,834
I never lost a case all these

1077
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,333
years-- even sometimes, uh,

1078
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,800
when they have already on,

1079
00:36:15,867 --> 00:36:17,800
ongoing cases, where they feel

1080
00:36:17,867 --> 00:36:20,200
they gonna lose it, and they

1081
00:36:20,266 --> 00:36:22,133
bring me to, uh, jump in and put

1082
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,100
it back on track.

1083
00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:27,033
>> Abbas is talking about Elie

1084
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:28,300
Assaad, but he's using his name

1085
00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:29,400
as "Uncle."

1086
00:36:29,467 --> 00:36:31,567
Yeah, that's, that's his name.

1087
00:36:31,633 --> 00:36:33,266
Elie Assaad.

1088
00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:35,633
No good mother(bleep).

1089
00:36:42,567 --> 00:36:44,300
>> We rented a hotel room.

1090
00:36:44,367 --> 00:36:46,233
The Hilton, Downtown Miami.

1091
00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:50,867
Again, we set up surveillance so

1092
00:36:50,934 --> 00:36:52,700
we could capture the meeting in

1093
00:36:52,767 --> 00:36:55,066
video and audio.

1094
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,166
I'm in a room close by, where we

1095
00:37:02,233 --> 00:37:04,266
can monitor the meeting.

1096
00:37:05,934 --> 00:37:08,367
We also have a surveillance unit

1097
00:37:08,433 --> 00:37:10,934
outside of the hotel.

1098
00:37:14,433 --> 00:37:15,867
>> Abbas continued to call us

1099
00:37:15,934 --> 00:37:17,834
and call us until Elie Assaad

1100
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:19,667
came and he called me on that

1101
00:37:19,734 --> 00:37:21,333
day to go meet him.

1102
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,934
He initially promised me, like,

1103
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,200
around 20 grand or whatever.

1104
00:37:24,266 --> 00:37:25,500
He said, "I'll have it for

1105
00:37:25,567 --> 00:37:27,166
you.

1106
00:37:27,233 --> 00:37:30,166
I just need you to meet him ."

1107
00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:33,233
>> The surveillance team says,

1108
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:34,567
"You're not going to believe

1109
00:37:34,633 --> 00:37:35,967
this, but your subject is

1110
00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:37,867
walking down Biscayne Boulevard

1111
00:37:37,934 --> 00:37:39,834
in a white robe and a cane

1112
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:44,133
that's six feet tall, looking

1113
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,400
like Moses."

1114
00:37:45,467 --> 00:37:46,667
I got on the radio and I said,

1115
00:37:46,734 --> 00:37:48,200
"Are you sure it's our subject?"

1116
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:49,200
And they're, like, "It's, it's

1117
00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:50,166
your guy."

1118
00:37:50,233 --> 00:37:51,333
I look at our team in the room

1119
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,967
and I'm, like, "What, what's

1120
00:37:53,033 --> 00:37:55,367
going on?"

1121
00:37:55,433 --> 00:37:57,400
>> Room 612, I knocked on the

1122
00:37:57,467 --> 00:37:58,967
door.

1123
00:37:59,033 --> 00:38:00,900
Assaad opened up the door and he

1124
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:02,266
says, "Come on in, brother,

1125
00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:04,133
let's talk."

1126
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:10,800
I figured I could be slick

1127
00:38:10,867 --> 00:38:12,734
enough to say what I had to say

1128
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,667
in there and just get that

1129
00:38:13,734 --> 00:38:16,033
money and break off.

1130
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,200
>> Batiste doesn't blink.

1131
00:38:18,266 --> 00:38:19,500
He could have said, "Listen, I

1132
00:38:19,567 --> 00:38:21,000
was just joking, I'm going to a

1133
00:38:21,066 --> 00:38:23,567
Halloween party..."

1134
00:38:23,633 --> 00:38:24,633
And fine.

1135
00:38:50,567 --> 00:38:52,033
>> Elie Assaad.

1136
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:54,133
He had somewhat of an ego

1137
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,233
if you will.

1138
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:09,400
>> I think he sort of felt he

1139
00:39:09,467 --> 00:39:10,600
needed to guide this

1140
00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:12,834
conversation more affirmatively,

1141
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:15,767
and at times I think he, he may

1142
00:39:15,834 --> 00:39:16,767
overdo it.

1143
00:39:40,266 --> 00:39:41,367
>> I was never good at being no

1144
00:39:41,433 --> 00:39:42,567
type of scam artist.

1145
00:39:42,633 --> 00:39:43,500
This is, this is the first time

1146
00:39:43,567 --> 00:39:44,467
in my life I'm ever really

1147
00:39:44,533 --> 00:39:46,033
trying to run a scam.

1148
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:57,533
>> And he was, like, "All

1149
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,700
right, so what do you need?"

1150
00:40:58,767 --> 00:40:59,533
I knew that I had to make

1151
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,400
something up right then and

1152
00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:01,367
there.

1153
00:41:01,433 --> 00:41:02,500
Course, I was not prepared for

1154
00:41:02,567 --> 00:41:03,433
any kind of list, I didn't bring

1155
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:04,734
any kind of list, because this

1156
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,633
was just something I was just

1157
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:07,266
brainstorming on.

1158
00:41:07,333 --> 00:41:08,066
So I wrote a whole bunch of

1159
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:09,834
crazy things down on the list.

1160
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:10,867
I needed knee-high boots, things

1161
00:41:10,934 --> 00:41:11,800
that didn't make sense.

1162
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:24,867
>> Yes, I put guns on there.

1163
00:41:24,934 --> 00:41:25,734
I couldn't name them, he kept

1164
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,867
asking me the name for them.

1165
00:41:26,934 --> 00:41:27,700
I didn't know any name of guns,

1166
00:41:27,767 --> 00:41:28,834
'cause I never owned a gun.

1167
00:41:53,066 --> 00:41:55,300
The list that he took he tore

1168
00:41:55,367 --> 00:41:56,100
up several times, and

1169
00:41:56,166 --> 00:41:57,734
eventually, there was a list

1170
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,000
that was made.

1171
00:41:59,066 --> 00:42:00,400
And he was, like, "I'll go back

1172
00:42:00,467 --> 00:42:01,633
and talk to Abbas about

1173
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:02,834
everything and we'll work on

1174
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:04,867
getting the money to you."

1175
00:42:08,133 --> 00:42:10,700
I left the room.

1176
00:42:10,767 --> 00:42:14,100
I felt a lot of fear.

1177
00:42:14,166 --> 00:42:15,400
I felt like a big cavity was

1178
00:42:15,467 --> 00:42:17,500
inside my chest.

1179
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:23,033
Empty.

1180
00:42:33,233 --> 00:42:35,800
>> We're-- we're in the room and

1181
00:42:35,867 --> 00:42:37,166
we're, like, "Okay, well, what

1182
00:42:37,233 --> 00:42:37,767
happens now?"

1183
00:42:38,367 --> 00:42:41,133
So, we went back to the, uh, to

1184
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,867
the bullpen, and sat down and

1185
00:42:43,934 --> 00:42:45,934
says, "Okay, guys, it's, let's

1186
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,233
whiteboard this.

1187
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:49,000
What are, what are we gonna do?"

1188
00:42:49,066 --> 00:42:50,066
Okay? We could go knock on

1189
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:52,033
Batiste's door and say, "Hey,

1190
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,867
listen, we...

1191
00:42:54,934 --> 00:42:55,967
You met with somebody who said

1192
00:42:56,033 --> 00:42:57,600
they were with Al-Qaeda.

1193
00:42:57,667 --> 00:42:58,867
Now, how serious are you?

1194
00:42:58,934 --> 00:43:00,934
'Cause if you're not, okay,

1195
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,700
you need to knock it off."

1196
00:43:02,767 --> 00:43:05,867
They could just... go off and

1197
00:43:05,934 --> 00:43:07,367
not do anything for another

1198
00:43:07,433 --> 00:43:09,000
year, or two years, or three

1199
00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:10,133
years.

1200
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,467
There aren't enough resources to

1201
00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:12,834
commit to that type of, you

1202
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:14,533
know, monitoring.

1203
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,834
So, we wanted to find out, um,

1204
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,600
how committed Batiste was to

1205
00:43:22,667 --> 00:43:25,600
what he had told Elie Assaad.

1206
00:43:35,166 --> 00:43:36,233
>> This whole thing was way

1207
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:38,066
beyond me.

1208
00:43:38,133 --> 00:43:39,900
The rhetoric and the talk and

1209
00:43:39,967 --> 00:43:41,934
the relationship with Abbas just

1210
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,100
went... way out of control.

1211
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,300
My hustle wasn't even talking

1212
00:44:01,367 --> 00:44:03,266
about terrorists at the very

1213
00:44:03,333 --> 00:44:05,100
beginning.

1214
00:44:05,166 --> 00:44:07,000
I was slowly wielded into that

1215
00:44:07,066 --> 00:44:08,433
with Abbas.

1216
00:44:19,967 --> 00:44:22,033
>> He really set these guys up.

1217
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:23,767
There's really no other way for

1218
00:44:23,834 --> 00:44:25,633
me to put it.

1219
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:27,300
Abbas saw, from working in the

1220
00:44:27,367 --> 00:44:28,934
store, that these men didn't

1221
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,233
have a lot of money.

1222
00:44:30,300 --> 00:44:31,567
And he also played on that,

1223
00:44:31,633 --> 00:44:32,600
that they were poor.

1224
00:44:47,633 --> 00:44:49,333
>> They just kept getting pushed

1225
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,900
forward and forward and forward

1226
00:44:50,967 --> 00:44:52,200
by Abbas.

1227
00:44:52,266 --> 00:44:53,600
And Abbas is putting all these

1228
00:44:53,667 --> 00:44:55,633
ideas in their head.

1229
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:56,667
It was like a big joke to him at

1230
00:44:56,734 --> 00:44:59,133
home, it was...

1231
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,166
All he could do was laugh about

1232
00:45:00,233 --> 00:45:01,500
it, it...

1233
00:45:01,567 --> 00:45:03,300
He thought it was hilarious.

1234
00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:04,300
He was, like, "I can't believe

1235
00:45:04,367 --> 00:45:05,934
they think I'm really Al-Qaeda."

1236
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,233
It didn't matter if that's how

1237
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:08,834
he was gonna get his money, if

1238
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,500
that's how the FBI was gonna pay

1239
00:45:10,567 --> 00:45:11,700
him.

1240
00:45:30,467 --> 00:45:32,834
>> In the informant world, are

1241
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:34,700
they paid?

1242
00:45:34,767 --> 00:45:36,133
Of course they're paid.

1243
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,567
They got paid expenses.

1244
00:45:38,633 --> 00:45:39,834
It wasn't, like, "Hey, listen,

1245
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:41,367
if you get a conviction, you're

1246
00:45:41,433 --> 00:45:42,433
gonna get a hundred, a hundred

1247
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:43,200
thousand dollars."

1248
00:45:43,266 --> 00:45:44,367
That's not how we operate.

1249
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:55,367
I finally get a call from Abbas

1250
00:45:55,433 --> 00:45:57,367
telling me, "Look, um, Assaad

1251
00:45:57,433 --> 00:45:58,867
definitely wants to meet with

1252
00:45:58,934 --> 00:45:59,900
you-- he's got the money, you

1253
00:45:59,967 --> 00:46:01,934
just have to pick him up."

1254
00:46:03,633 --> 00:46:04,867
He told me that, "If you gonna

1255
00:46:04,934 --> 00:46:06,066
get the money, you gotta make it

1256
00:46:06,133 --> 00:46:08,066
sound for real.

1257
00:46:08,133 --> 00:46:09,667
Talk big, like you gonna blow

1258
00:46:09,734 --> 00:46:11,000
something up."

1259
00:46:11,066 --> 00:46:11,834
He said, "If you say that,

1260
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:14,100
they're gonna come through."

1261
00:46:14,166 --> 00:46:15,300
I was high off marijuana one

1262
00:46:15,367 --> 00:46:16,233
time when we was riding in the

1263
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:17,400
back seat of a car, and he

1264
00:46:17,467 --> 00:46:19,066
whispered over to me, says, "You

1265
00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:20,000
got anything in mind you could

1266
00:46:20,066 --> 00:46:20,934
say big?

1267
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:21,934
Say, you're from Chicago, you

1268
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:22,800
should be able to come up with

1269
00:46:22,867 --> 00:46:23,667
something."

1270
00:46:23,734 --> 00:46:24,500
And I thought in my mind, "Well,

1271
00:46:24,567 --> 00:46:25,300
the Sears Tower, I guess I'll

1272
00:46:25,367 --> 00:46:25,967
blow that up, how does that

1273
00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:26,967
sound?"

1274
00:46:27,033 --> 00:46:28,000
And he cracked up laughing and

1275
00:46:28,066 --> 00:46:29,600
he said, "That would be great."

1276
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,600
>> That was the basic

1277
00:46:47,667 --> 00:46:48,633
motivation of it, was, the whole

1278
00:46:48,700 --> 00:46:50,200
thing was about who could scam

1279
00:46:50,266 --> 00:46:52,233
who out of the money.

1280
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:53,834
>> Did you think that that could

1281
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:55,300
go wrong for you?

1282
00:46:55,367 --> 00:46:57,967
>> Yes.

1283
00:46:58,033 --> 00:46:59,633
Did I linger on that thought?

1284
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:00,567
No.

1285
00:48:09,667 --> 00:48:11,800
>> He's gonna give you money.

1286
00:48:11,867 --> 00:48:13,033
What the (bleep) you think the

1287
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:15,533
money is for?

1288
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,533
Terrorism.

1289
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:18,767
He wants you to do an act, just

1290
00:48:18,834 --> 00:48:20,834
like a, uh, murder for hire.

1291
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:23,367
What's present in our mind is,

1292
00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:24,667
"When you give it to me, I'm not

1293
00:48:24,734 --> 00:48:26,300
killing nobody.

1294
00:48:26,367 --> 00:48:28,667
This is mine, (bleep) you.

1295
00:48:28,734 --> 00:48:30,266
What you gonna do?

1296
00:48:30,333 --> 00:48:31,033
'Cause if you really that

1297
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:31,900
powerful, you would have had

1298
00:48:31,967 --> 00:48:33,166
your own crew right here.

1299
00:48:33,233 --> 00:48:34,767
You ain't (bleep).

1300
00:48:34,834 --> 00:48:36,066
You just a rich mother(bleep)

1301
00:48:36,133 --> 00:48:38,133
that is gonna give the money to

1302
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,200
us and then you gonna

1303
00:48:39,266 --> 00:48:40,200
disappear."

1304
00:48:40,266 --> 00:48:41,367
>> Whoa, man, it's, like,

1305
00:48:41,433 --> 00:48:43,600
terrorism.

1306
00:48:43,667 --> 00:48:45,000
You know, it never popped in

1307
00:48:45,066 --> 00:48:46,500
our mind like, "Yo, this is

1308
00:48:46,567 --> 00:48:48,433
something serious."

1309
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,400
It's like these two (bleep) fake

1310
00:48:50,467 --> 00:48:51,834
guys playing some (bleep)-damned

1311
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:53,266
game.

1312
00:48:53,333 --> 00:48:55,033
Batiste fighting for control

1313
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,000
over some damn donations, and it

1314
00:48:57,066 --> 00:48:59,433
was-- it all made me sick.

1315
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:01,834
>> I wanna prove these guys

1316
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,200
didn't wanna do this.

1317
00:49:04,266 --> 00:49:06,500
I wanna prove that this

1318
00:49:06,567 --> 00:49:07,934
conversation that the informant

1319
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,900
may have misquoted didn't

1320
00:49:09,967 --> 00:49:11,300
happen.

1321
00:49:11,367 --> 00:49:13,133
And this is what it is.

1322
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,233
But that's not what happened.

1323
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:16,967
Every time I thought we were

1324
00:49:17,033 --> 00:49:19,200
gonna get off the highway, we

1325
00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:21,567
hit another mile marker.

1326
00:49:22,500 --> 00:49:24,934
>> Yeah, he left yesterday.

1327
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,867
>> (exhales)

1328
00:49:26,934 --> 00:49:28,600
>> He left yesterday, so...

1329
00:49:46,333 --> 00:49:47,367
>> I was taking a lot of

1330
00:49:47,433 --> 00:49:48,500
marijuana substance.

1331
00:49:48,567 --> 00:49:49,800
At least an ounce every two

1332
00:49:49,867 --> 00:49:52,200
days, and it had me living in a

1333
00:49:52,266 --> 00:49:53,734
world of fear.

1334
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,100
And fear was pulling all of this

1335
00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:57,767
into a detrimental path with

1336
00:49:57,834 --> 00:49:59,967
myself.

1337
00:50:00,033 --> 00:50:01,700
As far as trusting my own, uh,

1338
00:50:01,767 --> 00:50:03,200
judgment of what's right and

1339
00:50:03,266 --> 00:50:06,166
wrong, in terms of the scam, of

1340
00:50:06,233 --> 00:50:07,667
going further or not.

1341
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,133
>> Whenever I, I, you know, my

1342
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,266
attention fell on him, it's

1343
00:50:27,333 --> 00:50:28,700
like, "Yeah, he talking,

1344
00:50:28,767 --> 00:50:30,433
talking crazy.

1345
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:31,700
You know, doing all of that just

1346
00:50:31,767 --> 00:50:33,533
to get the, convince the guy

1347
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,266
to get you some money."

1348
00:50:53,266 --> 00:50:54,934
I was just trying to get into

1349
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,367
Assaad's head, you know, say

1350
00:50:56,433 --> 00:50:58,166
what would make him happy.

1351
00:50:58,233 --> 00:50:59,233
'Cause he kept looking at me

1352
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:00,967
like, you know, "I need more.

1353
00:51:01,033 --> 00:51:02,433
Say something more."

1354
00:51:15,100 --> 00:51:16,533
>> This guy just make a

1355
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,433
crazy-ass statement and then,

1356
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:20,500
less than ten second later, he's

1357
00:51:20,567 --> 00:51:22,734
in a basketball game.

1358
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,300
The TV faced us.

1359
00:51:25,834 --> 00:51:27,934
So, a lot of time, you see me

1360
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,667
there, I'm, I'm looking, I'm

1361
00:51:30,734 --> 00:51:32,000
watching the game.

1362
00:52:18,834 --> 00:52:20,166
I wasn't feeling good about

1363
00:52:20,233 --> 00:52:21,000
what I was saying.

1364
00:52:21,066 --> 00:52:22,333
But at the time, I felt like I

1365
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,900
had to, to make up this story

1366
00:52:24,967 --> 00:52:26,066
one more time for this guy.

1367
00:52:26,133 --> 00:52:27,333
So, I was just constantly just

1368
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,200
flipping through different

1369
00:52:28,266 --> 00:52:29,100
pictures in my mind that I seen

1370
00:52:29,166 --> 00:52:30,633
on the media.

1371
00:52:38,133 --> 00:52:39,934
I grabbed that from just end of

1372
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,000
world type of movies.

1373
00:52:41,066 --> 00:52:42,133
'Cause a lot of that was going

1374
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:43,200
on at the time.

1375
00:52:43,266 --> 00:52:44,533
Tidal waves type of movies.

1376
00:52:53,567 --> 00:52:55,834
>> (clapping)

1377
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:57,700
>> I'm not gonna do anything.

1378
00:52:57,767 --> 00:52:58,500
I'm just talking a whole bunch

1379
00:52:58,567 --> 00:53:00,066
of crap here.

1380
00:53:00,133 --> 00:53:16,367
And I'm high.

1381
00:53:16,433 --> 00:53:19,867
>> If Batiste is having these

1382
00:53:19,934 --> 00:53:23,467
conversations with somebody he

1383
00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:26,066
believes is from Al-Qaeda, you

1384
00:53:26,133 --> 00:53:28,900
know, Al-Qaeda would say, "Okay,

1385
00:53:28,967 --> 00:53:30,467
maybe, maybe we should target

1386
00:53:30,533 --> 00:53:32,100
the Sears Tower.

1387
00:53:32,166 --> 00:53:33,166
And, and, and by the way, you

1388
00:53:33,233 --> 00:53:35,834
think we should, as the

1389
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:37,600
survivors run out, shoot them?

1390
00:53:37,667 --> 00:53:38,767
We didn't even think of that.

1391
00:53:38,834 --> 00:53:40,100
Write that down."

1392
00:53:53,934 --> 00:53:56,367
(laughs)

1393
00:53:56,433 --> 00:53:58,934
>> Dude.

1394
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,233
You, you, you really have to do

1395
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:02,934
all of that?

1396
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,200
Did you have to really, doing

1397
00:54:05,266 --> 00:54:06,834
all that back and forth with the

1398
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:07,667
guy?

1399
00:54:07,734 --> 00:54:09,400
"Yeah, he, he gonna, you know,

1400
00:54:09,467 --> 00:54:10,233
I'm gonna get the money.

1401
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:11,533
I'm gonna get the money."

1402
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,734
All right, whatever, man.

1403
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,000
>> I was sick of it.

1404
00:54:17,066 --> 00:54:18,266
Matter of fact, I remember,

1405
00:54:18,333 --> 00:54:21,367
uh, when I went home, I got

1406
00:54:21,433 --> 00:54:22,900
sick somehow or another, I was

1407
00:54:22,967 --> 00:54:26,734
doing a lot of vomiting.

1408
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,400
>> It's, like, "Okay, let's say

1409
00:54:28,467 --> 00:54:29,533
he is crazy.

1410
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,533
That's a dangerous dialogue."

1411
00:54:34,066 --> 00:54:37,033
We never expected, again, to get

1412
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:40,133
to where we ended up, because we

1413
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,667
thought at some point, he would

1414
00:54:41,734 --> 00:54:43,834
say, "Look, this is what I'm...

1415
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:45,633
This is all a charade."

1416
00:54:47,834 --> 00:54:49,633
>> Director Mueller was being

1417
00:54:49,700 --> 00:54:50,867
briefed daily.

1418
00:54:50,934 --> 00:54:51,633
And we knew that this was

1419
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:52,633
included in his presidential

1420
00:54:52,700 --> 00:54:54,133
briefs.

1421
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,400
That brief is, "Look, there's a

1422
00:54:55,467 --> 00:54:57,667
group of kids in Miami-Dade that

1423
00:54:57,734 --> 00:54:59,900
formed an organization, that

1424
00:54:59,967 --> 00:55:00,934
want to align themselves with

1425
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,934
Al-Qaeda to start a war in the

1426
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,667
United States."

1427
00:55:06,233 --> 00:55:07,533
>> The prosecutors wanted more

1428
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,400
overt acts.

1429
00:55:09,467 --> 00:55:11,700
So anytime there's a conspiracy

1430
00:55:11,767 --> 00:55:13,333
involved, you have to have overt

1431
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,967
acts in furtherance of that

1432
00:55:15,033 --> 00:55:16,433
conspiracy.

1433
00:55:16,900 --> 00:55:19,567
Anything that a prosecutor could

1434
00:55:19,633 --> 00:55:22,300
use as evidence to convince a

1435
00:55:22,367 --> 00:55:24,066
judge or jury that these people

1436
00:55:24,133 --> 00:55:25,667
were serious.

1437
00:55:25,734 --> 00:55:28,100
>> A conversation is an act.

1438
00:55:28,166 --> 00:55:30,433
So, uh, you don't need to pick

1439
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:33,433
up a gun or, or let off a bomb

1440
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:34,967
or make a bomb for it to be an

1441
00:55:35,033 --> 00:55:37,033
overt act.

1442
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:38,867
I think the idea came from the

1443
00:55:38,934 --> 00:55:41,800
FBI through C.I.A., and the idea

1444
00:55:41,867 --> 00:55:44,100
was to have some sort of formal

1445
00:55:44,166 --> 00:55:45,934
allegiance, some pledge to

1446
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,467
Al-Qaeda, to see if they went

1447
00:55:47,533 --> 00:55:50,166
forward with it.

1448
00:55:50,233 --> 00:55:52,734
>> The idea was introduced to

1449
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,266
further test their commitment to

1450
00:55:55,333 --> 00:55:57,200
their interest in aligning with

1451
00:55:57,266 --> 00:55:59,467
Al-Qaeda by saying, "Well, look,

1452
00:55:59,533 --> 00:56:00,867
you have to take an oath of

1453
00:56:00,934 --> 00:56:02,700
loyalty."

1454
00:56:04,734 --> 00:56:07,300
♪ ♪

1455
00:56:07,367 --> 00:56:09,800
>> Assaad came by the temple.

1456
00:56:09,867 --> 00:56:10,900
He says, "The reason why I hold

1457
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,033
back the money from you is

1458
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:12,967
because you don't have a

1459
00:56:13,033 --> 00:56:14,033
commitment."

1460
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:15,033
I said, "Well, what do you

1461
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:16,033
mean?"

1462
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:17,033
He says, "We gotta have some

1463
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:17,900
type of commitment between us."

1464
00:56:17,967 --> 00:56:20,166
And he didn't call it an oath or

1465
00:56:20,233 --> 00:56:22,233
any, uh, swearing allegiance to

1466
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:24,266
any organization or anything.

1467
00:56:24,333 --> 00:56:26,567
He says, "Just a commitment."

1468
00:56:26,633 --> 00:56:27,834
So he says, "Well, we have to

1469
00:56:27,900 --> 00:56:28,767
meet and we have to discuss

1470
00:56:28,834 --> 00:56:30,967
this commitment some more and

1471
00:56:31,033 --> 00:56:33,000
then we can proceed further."

1472
00:56:36,233 --> 00:56:38,300
I drove to his location and he

1473
00:56:38,367 --> 00:56:39,467
got in the car and he pulled out

1474
00:56:39,533 --> 00:56:40,600
this piece of paper and he says,

1475
00:56:40,667 --> 00:56:42,100
"This is the commitment or the

1476
00:56:42,166 --> 00:56:43,867
oath that I need you to read."

1477
00:57:05,367 --> 00:57:08,033
>> Listen, if, if you're not a

1478
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:08,934
hundred percent on board with

1479
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,834
this, here's your, here's your

1480
00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:12,967
chance to get out.

1481
00:57:13,033 --> 00:57:14,233
Here's your chance to get out.

1482
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:16,300
>> And so eventually, I read it.

1483
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:32,667
>> I felt like it was stupid.

1484
00:57:32,734 --> 00:57:34,000
I didn't feel like it was a real

1485
00:57:34,066 --> 00:57:35,400
Al-Qaeda oath.

1486
00:57:35,467 --> 00:57:36,834
Um, usually, when somebody

1487
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:37,867
wants you to swear allegiance to

1488
00:57:37,934 --> 00:57:40,600
a dangerous organization, it's

1489
00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:42,667
gonna be something, some type

1490
00:57:42,734 --> 00:57:43,600
of dramatic thing-- they ain't

1491
00:57:43,667 --> 00:57:44,633
gonna actually read from no

1492
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:45,734
piece of paper.

1493
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:46,767
They're gonna probably, you

1494
00:57:46,834 --> 00:57:48,100
know, do something crazy to you

1495
00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:49,800
or have you do something crazy.

1496
00:57:49,867 --> 00:57:51,467
>> Were you not worried that

1497
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:52,500
this could all catch up with you

1498
00:57:52,567 --> 00:57:53,467
very quickly?

1499
00:57:53,533 --> 00:57:55,467
>> Of course I was worried.

1500
00:57:55,533 --> 00:57:56,900
>> And yet...

1501
00:57:56,967 --> 00:57:58,200
>> Yet I thought I could still,

1502
00:57:58,266 --> 00:58:00,834
uh, make this deal go through.

1503
00:58:25,834 --> 00:58:27,200
>> The direction that was given

1504
00:58:27,266 --> 00:58:28,567
was, if, if Batiste takes the

1505
00:58:28,633 --> 00:58:33,934
oath, then you tell him that all

1506
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:34,967
of the members of his

1507
00:58:35,033 --> 00:58:36,066
organization have to take the

1508
00:58:36,133 --> 00:58:37,400
oath.

1509
00:58:37,467 --> 00:58:38,633
So, this was already

1510
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:39,133
pre-planned.

1511
00:58:51,433 --> 00:58:52,300
I felt like I was getting deeper

1512
00:58:52,367 --> 00:58:55,367
into a trap.

1513
00:58:55,433 --> 00:58:56,700
That I might not be able to get

1514
00:58:56,767 --> 00:58:57,567
myself out of this trap if I

1515
00:58:57,633 --> 00:58:59,333
play this game even further.

1516
00:58:59,834 --> 00:59:04,800
♪ ♪

1517
00:59:04,867 --> 00:59:05,800
>> The approach that we took was

1518
00:59:05,867 --> 00:59:08,734
to create a platform to capture

1519
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,433
conversations with the group.

1520
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,367
That particular area where their

1521
00:59:14,433 --> 00:59:16,367
warehouse was was incredibly

1522
00:59:16,433 --> 00:59:18,367
difficult to surveil.

1523
00:59:18,433 --> 00:59:20,800
It was a high drug trafficking

1524
00:59:20,867 --> 00:59:23,433
area.

1525
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:24,934
So, we looked at telling

1526
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,333
Batiste, "Hey, listen, one of

1527
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,200
the things we can do is, we

1528
00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:30,633
could get you a better training

1529
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:31,467
facility."

1530
00:59:31,533 --> 00:59:35,700
♪ ♪

1531
00:59:35,767 --> 00:59:37,233
The idea came up, renting a

1532
00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:40,834
warehouse, pre-wiring it, so we

1533
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:43,233
could capture audio and video.

1534
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,066
Then take that warehouse and

1535
00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:46,967
identify three other warehouses,

1536
00:59:47,033 --> 00:59:48,433
and tell Batiste, "Hey, listen,

1537
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:50,100
let's go, look at some

1538
00:59:50,166 --> 00:59:52,467
warehouses."

1539
01:00:04,867 --> 01:00:06,567
>> I was told by Assaad, "I got

1540
01:00:06,633 --> 01:00:07,934
a warehouse.

1541
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,066
And we need to go look at one,

1542
01:00:09,133 --> 01:00:10,033
you can pick out any one, and

1543
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:11,367
we'll just give it to you.

1544
01:00:11,433 --> 01:00:13,166
And that'll be a part of the

1545
01:00:13,233 --> 01:00:15,100
financial help that we'll give

1546
01:00:15,166 --> 01:00:16,633
you."

1547
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:25,233
>> I mean, this isn't rocket

1548
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:26,233
science.

1549
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:27,734
We got a really nice warehouse.

1550
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,633
It's a Bentley of warehouses,

1551
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:31,000
and then two other warehouses

1552
01:00:31,066 --> 01:00:32,133
that, you know, you wouldn't

1553
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,433
even wanna, you know, burn for

1554
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:35,867
insurance money.

1555
01:00:35,934 --> 01:00:37,166
The question is posed to

1556
01:00:37,233 --> 01:00:38,233
Batiste, "Which warehouse do you

1557
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:40,200
want?"

1558
01:00:48,834 --> 01:00:51,500
>> We picked the one the FBI

1559
01:00:51,567 --> 01:00:53,300
wanted us to pick.

1560
01:00:53,367 --> 01:00:55,567
How, how much control is...

1561
01:00:55,633 --> 01:00:57,066
That's why I'm tripping.

1562
01:00:57,133 --> 01:00:59,433
The one we pick, we pick, is the

1563
01:00:59,500 --> 01:01:00,900
one they had set up that they

1564
01:01:00,967 --> 01:01:02,400
wanted us to pick so they'll...

1565
01:01:02,467 --> 01:01:04,133
This is how so much it was

1566
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,266
over our head-- they knew how to

1567
01:01:05,333 --> 01:01:06,467
make us pick what they wanted

1568
01:01:06,533 --> 01:01:10,066
us to pick.

1569
01:01:10,133 --> 01:01:12,266
>> There was a boat in there.

1570
01:01:12,333 --> 01:01:14,200
There was a van in there.

1571
01:01:14,266 --> 01:01:15,266
They both had keys, both had

1572
01:01:15,333 --> 01:01:16,500
deeds in them.

1573
01:01:16,567 --> 01:01:18,500
It was all ours.

1574
01:01:18,567 --> 01:01:20,500
There was a, a refrigerator

1575
01:01:20,567 --> 01:01:21,767
filled with fish and all type of

1576
01:01:21,834 --> 01:01:22,867
seafood.

1577
01:01:22,934 --> 01:01:25,300
Like, ten pounds of shrimp.

1578
01:01:25,367 --> 01:01:26,667
I was, like, "Wow.

1579
01:01:26,734 --> 01:01:27,800
Somebody just bought this.

1580
01:01:27,867 --> 01:01:31,066
It was fresh."

1581
01:01:31,133 --> 01:01:33,033
>> And we flipped the switch.

1582
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:34,166
We got a Title III wiretap

1583
01:01:34,233 --> 01:01:35,333
intercept.

1584
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,433
Okay, let's see what happens.

1585
01:01:43,667 --> 01:01:45,233
>> It was huge.

1586
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:46,433
You know, so we had places for

1587
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:48,000
bunks, places to work out,

1588
01:01:48,066 --> 01:01:49,867
places to store our equipment.

1589
01:01:49,934 --> 01:01:51,300
It was an office in the front.

1590
01:01:51,367 --> 01:01:52,700
So even for us, it was, like,

1591
01:01:52,767 --> 01:01:55,867
whoa, this would be a step up.

1592
01:02:01,367 --> 01:02:27,000
(laughing)

1593
01:02:27,066 --> 01:02:28,100
>> Did you talk to the brothers

1594
01:02:28,166 --> 01:02:29,900
about this?

1595
01:02:29,967 --> 01:02:33,734
>> Uh, in part.

1596
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,633
In part.

1597
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:37,133
>> Do you feel you were being

1598
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,433
honest with the brothers at this

1599
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:39,633
point?

1600
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:40,900
>> In terms of holding back

1601
01:02:40,967 --> 01:02:41,834
information?

1602
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:42,667
>> Yeah.

1603
01:02:42,734 --> 01:02:43,567
>> Yeah, I held back

1604
01:02:43,633 --> 01:02:44,567
information.

1605
01:02:44,633 --> 01:02:45,633
>> Why?

1606
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:46,834
>> Uh, I felt like they would

1607
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:47,967
have judged the situation to be

1608
01:02:48,033 --> 01:02:49,567
not worth it.

1609
01:02:49,633 --> 01:02:51,533
And we could lose out on an

1610
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:52,633
opportunity that we've already

1611
01:02:52,700 --> 01:03:07,033
worked ourselves into.

1612
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:27,533
♪ ♪

1613
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,266
♪ ♪

1614
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:40,200
>> Naz was telling us already

1615
01:03:40,266 --> 01:03:41,133
that, "Don't worry about what

1616
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:42,133
this guy is saying.

1617
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,200
It's just all bull(bleep)."

1618
01:03:45,266 --> 01:03:46,700
'Cause before then, we came from

1619
01:03:46,767 --> 01:03:49,467
a construction site.

1620
01:03:49,533 --> 01:03:50,967
Before we went in here that day,

1621
01:03:51,033 --> 01:03:53,967
we came off of doing a job.

1622
01:03:58,333 --> 01:03:59,133
>> I didn't give a (bleep) what

1623
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,000
he was.

1624
01:04:00,066 --> 01:04:00,834
>> Really?

1625
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:01,800
>> I really didn't, that's what

1626
01:04:01,867 --> 01:04:02,900
I'm trying to get you to, I

1627
01:04:02,967 --> 01:04:03,900
don't give a (bleep).

1628
01:04:03,967 --> 01:04:04,767
We grew up from... nothing.

1629
01:04:04,834 --> 01:04:05,734
We grew up from watching people

1630
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,033
that we love die, get shot in

1631
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:08,300
the street.

1632
01:04:08,367 --> 01:04:09,567
We didn't grow up where

1633
01:04:09,633 --> 01:04:10,600
everybody talked their way out

1634
01:04:10,667 --> 01:04:11,667
of trouble.

1635
01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:12,867
We grew up, everybody got killed

1636
01:04:12,934 --> 01:04:14,633
or got sent to jail.

1637
01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:16,233
So it's, like, our way of life

1638
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:18,000
was if he didn't...

1639
01:04:18,066 --> 01:04:19,867
If we didn't see him display

1640
01:04:19,934 --> 01:04:21,033
this type of violence, then

1641
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:22,467
he's not on it.

1642
01:04:22,533 --> 01:04:23,867
He's not, he's just talking.

1643
01:04:23,934 --> 01:04:26,033
And he's full of (bleep).

1644
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:44,533
♪ ♪

1645
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,467
♪ ♪

1646
01:04:46,533 --> 01:04:48,467
>> The scenario was: Batiste

1647
01:04:48,533 --> 01:04:50,433
would bring them in and each one

1648
01:04:50,500 --> 01:04:52,934
would have to take the oath.

1649
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,600
Not as a group.

1650
01:04:54,667 --> 01:04:57,600
Again, the reason for that is,

1651
01:04:57,667 --> 01:05:01,433
maybe somebody is in that group,

1652
01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:04,367
and they're not saying anything,

1653
01:05:04,433 --> 01:05:05,734
but they're, like, "I..."

1654
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,600
You know, "I, I draw the line

1655
01:05:07,667 --> 01:05:08,633
here."

1656
01:05:31,233 --> 01:05:32,233
>> I told them that he had some

1657
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:33,467
silly commitment that he was

1658
01:05:33,533 --> 01:05:34,734
asking us to read, but don't

1659
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,033
take it serious.

1660
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:37,200
>> Batiste already spoke to us,

1661
01:05:37,266 --> 01:05:38,367
that's, no matter what's going

1662
01:05:38,433 --> 01:05:39,400
on, he's just trying to get some

1663
01:05:39,467 --> 01:05:40,500
money, to just, don't say

1664
01:05:40,567 --> 01:05:42,567
nothing and just back him up.

1665
01:05:42,633 --> 01:05:44,667
>> Okay.

1666
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:50,567
>> And I can't really tell you

1667
01:05:50,633 --> 01:05:52,400
detail of how it transferred to

1668
01:05:52,467 --> 01:05:54,066
the whole oath thing.

1669
01:05:54,133 --> 01:05:55,633
I just know it happened.

1670
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:56,533
'Cause during this whole time,

1671
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:57,967
I'm getting high like a

1672
01:05:58,033 --> 01:05:59,667
mother(bleep).

1673
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,033
When he says that, I looked

1674
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:46,300
towards Batiste, I was, like,

1675
01:06:46,367 --> 01:06:47,800
"Hey, uh, Batiste, is this cool,

1676
01:06:47,867 --> 01:06:49,734
or this, this all right, man?"

1677
01:06:55,300 --> 01:06:56,967
>> We, like, gritting our teeth

1678
01:06:57,033 --> 01:06:57,900
and we, like, we put our hands

1679
01:06:57,967 --> 01:06:58,900
up.

1680
01:06:58,967 --> 01:07:13,734
You know, we backing up our man.

1681
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:22,333
>> That's crazy, man.

1682
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:23,967
>> Meanwhile, I was in the

1683
01:07:24,033 --> 01:07:24,900
background just giving the

1684
01:07:24,967 --> 01:07:25,934
brothers the eye wink for

1685
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,667
assurance, like, this is just...

1686
01:07:27,734 --> 01:07:28,867
This ain't real, it's just a

1687
01:07:28,934 --> 01:07:37,467
game.

1688
01:07:37,533 --> 01:07:46,400
(indistinct).

1689
01:07:46,467 --> 01:07:48,233
>> Okay.

1690
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:49,467
>> We barely had time to even

1691
01:07:49,533 --> 01:07:51,667
think, and who gives oaths to

1692
01:07:51,734 --> 01:07:55,467
Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda?

1693
01:07:55,533 --> 01:07:57,000
That (bleep) is for the movies.

1694
01:07:57,066 --> 01:07:58,767
This is what we see on TV.

1695
01:07:58,834 --> 01:08:00,333
It's not-- even if it was real,

1696
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,767
it wasn't real.

1697
01:08:01,834 --> 01:08:02,934
'Cause it doesn't happen where

1698
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:20,800
we come from.

1699
01:08:20,867 --> 01:08:22,400
>> Once everyone took the oath,

1700
01:08:22,467 --> 01:08:23,967
Elie Assaad was instructed to

1701
01:08:24,033 --> 01:08:28,333
introduce a plot by Al-Qaeda to

1702
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,967
blow up five FBI offices, Miami

1703
01:08:30,033 --> 01:08:31,800
being one of them.

1704
01:08:31,867 --> 01:08:34,200
And that Al-Qaeda would like

1705
01:08:34,266 --> 01:08:36,300
some assistance in doing

1706
01:08:36,367 --> 01:08:37,834
reconnaissance and surveillance

1707
01:08:37,900 --> 01:08:39,533
and other things.

1708
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,867
And then provide a video camera.

1709
01:09:30,934 --> 01:09:33,066
Even though it didn't make sense

1710
01:09:33,133 --> 01:09:38,033
to me, I was more focused on...

1711
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:40,000
Batiste.

1712
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:43,233
That moment, I felt betrayed.

1713
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:45,166
I felt betrayed.

1714
01:09:45,233 --> 01:09:47,800
And, and honestly, that was

1715
01:09:47,867 --> 01:09:48,900
the one time I should not have

1716
01:09:48,967 --> 01:09:50,367
hold my composure, because that

1717
01:09:50,433 --> 01:09:52,100
time, I really wanted to punch

1718
01:09:52,166 --> 01:09:53,967
him in the face.

1719
01:09:54,033 --> 01:09:55,333
>> I'm thinking, this, this

1720
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:56,700
straight bullcrap.

1721
01:09:56,767 --> 01:09:58,667
This straight bullcrap.

1722
01:10:06,333 --> 01:10:08,734
>> I felt really like Batiste

1723
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,433
crossed the line.

1724
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:12,233
So, after everything finished

1725
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:14,166
happening, I took my wife, my

1726
01:10:14,233 --> 01:10:15,433
kids, I took my kids out of

1727
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,133
school, rented a rental car, and

1728
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,934
left.

1729
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,233
>> That soiled us to a point

1730
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:22,900
where...

1731
01:10:22,967 --> 01:10:24,033
I don't know if we, we would

1732
01:10:24,100 --> 01:10:25,967
have, we was able to come back

1733
01:10:26,033 --> 01:10:27,734
from that, that night, 'cause

1734
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,900
we started to lose respect for,

1735
01:10:29,967 --> 01:10:31,166
you know, not just ourselves,

1736
01:10:31,233 --> 01:10:32,834
but for Batiste and for what we

1737
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:34,633
was doing and...

1738
01:10:34,700 --> 01:10:35,800
It's, it was, it was ugly.

1739
01:10:35,867 --> 01:10:37,633
It was ugly.

1740
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:39,166
>> They were very disappointed

1741
01:10:39,233 --> 01:10:41,166
in themselves, as well as

1742
01:10:41,233 --> 01:10:43,300
disappointed in me.

1743
01:10:43,367 --> 01:10:45,133
That all this had to happen from

1744
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:50,800
just one single thought of, what

1745
01:10:50,867 --> 01:10:52,633
about if we can scam money out

1746
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:55,166
of these people?

1747
01:10:55,233 --> 01:10:56,567
It was just a nasty deal, a

1748
01:10:56,633 --> 01:10:58,600
nasty scam, that nobody really

1749
01:10:58,667 --> 01:11:00,500
liked.

1750
01:11:00,567 --> 01:11:04,467
♪ ♪

1751
01:11:10,433 --> 01:11:12,700
Assaad had rented a van for us.

1752
01:11:12,767 --> 01:11:13,834
'Cause I told him I didn't have

1753
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:16,066
any transportation or anything.

1754
01:11:16,133 --> 01:11:18,000
I figured that if I just ride

1755
01:11:18,066 --> 01:11:19,300
around with a camera in my hand

1756
01:11:19,367 --> 01:11:20,700
and then say it's all I'm gonna

1757
01:11:20,767 --> 01:11:23,633
do, that would satisfy as far as

1758
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:25,133
the end of my hustle and my

1759
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,433
scam.

1760
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:29,734
♪ ♪

1761
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,567
>> Batiste, he, like, "Man,

1762
01:11:31,633 --> 01:11:32,934
these pictures right here, you

1763
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,133
can get these pictures online,

1764
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,600
you know, we gonna just give it

1765
01:11:37,667 --> 01:11:38,700
to him, and this is the last bit

1766
01:11:38,767 --> 01:11:40,934
we have to ever do, to deal with

1767
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,567
this guy.

1768
01:11:42,633 --> 01:11:43,233
You know? This is it.

1769
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:46,533
It's over."

1770
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:47,667
>> Assaad said, "You do this one

1771
01:11:47,734 --> 01:11:48,967
more project for me, take the

1772
01:11:49,033 --> 01:11:50,166
picture, I'll give you the

1773
01:11:50,233 --> 01:11:51,667
money."

1774
01:11:51,734 --> 01:11:53,500
It was $50,000, too.

1775
01:11:53,567 --> 01:11:55,166
>> Do you know why he wanted

1776
01:11:55,233 --> 01:11:56,300
pictures of those buildings?

1777
01:11:56,367 --> 01:11:57,266
>> Oh, yeah, he wanted to blow

1778
01:11:57,333 --> 01:11:58,300
them up, oh, yeah.

1779
01:11:58,367 --> 01:11:59,433
That was no secret.

1780
01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:00,967
>> Did that bother you?

1781
01:12:01,033 --> 01:12:04,667
>> No and yeah, because...

1782
01:12:04,734 --> 01:12:08,633
I didn't believe it.

1783
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:10,700
I didn't believe it.

1784
01:12:10,767 --> 01:12:11,767
♪ ♪

1785
01:12:11,834 --> 01:12:13,000
>> You know, I'm not scared as

1786
01:12:13,066 --> 01:12:14,033
thinking there's a real

1787
01:12:14,100 --> 01:12:15,467
terrorist group, really wants

1788
01:12:15,533 --> 01:12:16,834
some pictures of federal

1789
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:18,300
buildings.

1790
01:12:18,367 --> 01:12:19,233
You know, I'm not scared of

1791
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:20,467
that, 'cause this guy is not no

1792
01:12:20,533 --> 01:12:22,667
(bleep) terrorist.

1793
01:12:22,734 --> 01:12:24,734
Assaad.

1794
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:25,800
You know, I was trying to put

1795
01:12:25,867 --> 01:12:26,934
him together-- why is he doing

1796
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,367
this?

1797
01:12:29,433 --> 01:12:30,533
My mind can't see that it's the

1798
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,567
Feds that's pulling the strings.

1799
01:12:33,633 --> 01:12:35,333
I can't imagine, you know, a

1800
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,300
government agency put this

1801
01:12:37,367 --> 01:12:39,834
together.

1802
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:41,667
♪ ♪

1803
01:12:41,734 --> 01:12:43,166
>> They take footage of the U.S.

1804
01:12:43,233 --> 01:12:45,967
attorney's office in Miami.

1805
01:12:46,033 --> 01:12:47,367
And I believe they took footage

1806
01:12:47,433 --> 01:12:51,900
of the Miami Police Department.

1807
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,300
We had only asked for

1808
01:12:53,367 --> 01:12:54,700
reconnaissance on the FBI

1809
01:12:54,767 --> 01:12:56,133
office.

1810
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,467
Um, and then they provided that,

1811
01:12:58,533 --> 01:13:01,800
that video footage to, to

1812
01:13:01,867 --> 01:13:03,633
Assaad.

1813
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:24,333
>> They could have gone to

1814
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,066
Walmart and took a picture of

1815
01:13:25,133 --> 01:13:26,266
the back.

1816
01:13:26,333 --> 01:13:27,367
So, they could have done a

1817
01:13:27,433 --> 01:13:28,567
number of things, even at that

1818
01:13:28,633 --> 01:13:31,000
point in the investigation, but

1819
01:13:31,066 --> 01:13:32,200
they didn't.

1820
01:13:32,266 --> 01:13:33,734
What they did was, they gave who

1821
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,967
they thought to be an Al-Qaeda

1822
01:13:37,033 --> 01:13:39,133
operative exactly what he had

1823
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,000
asked for.

1824
01:13:54,133 --> 01:13:56,767
>> Batiste is mentally competent

1825
01:13:56,834 --> 01:14:02,300
to represent a threat that would

1826
01:14:02,367 --> 01:14:04,767
be of interest to somebody like

1827
01:14:04,834 --> 01:14:06,900
Al-Qaeda or ISIS, you know.

1828
01:14:06,967 --> 01:14:10,100
They, they'd love to identify

1829
01:14:10,166 --> 01:14:12,867
people like this.

1830
01:14:29,734 --> 01:14:30,667
>> And I'm not suggesting that

1831
01:14:30,734 --> 01:14:31,667
they're gonna recruit him to put

1832
01:14:31,734 --> 01:14:32,700
a backpack filled with

1833
01:14:32,767 --> 01:14:33,700
explosives and walk into a mall.

1834
01:14:33,767 --> 01:14:35,433
The fact that he's willing to

1835
01:14:35,500 --> 01:14:38,033
assist in a conspiracy to blow

1836
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:39,100
up a building in the United

1837
01:14:39,166 --> 01:14:41,800
States is no less dangerous.

1838
01:14:41,867 --> 01:14:43,266
Whether that's acquiring SIM

1839
01:14:43,333 --> 01:14:46,433
cards, or checking out library

1840
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:51,133
books, stealing a car, on its

1841
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,834
own, it's, doesn't seem like

1842
01:14:52,900 --> 01:14:54,133
much.

1843
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,800
But if the ultimate purpose is

1844
01:14:56,867 --> 01:14:58,033
to conduct a terrorist attack,

1845
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:59,700
well, then, yeah, I think he

1846
01:14:59,767 --> 01:15:02,133
does represent a threat.

1847
01:15:03,467 --> 01:15:06,133
♪ ♪

1848
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,767
(camera shutter clicks)

1849
01:15:11,834 --> 01:15:13,467
So the decision was made that we

1850
01:15:13,533 --> 01:15:16,300
were going to indict Batiste,

1851
01:15:16,367 --> 01:15:17,700
the other six members of his

1852
01:15:17,767 --> 01:15:21,867
group, and arrest them.

1853
01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:22,900
One of the things that they did

1854
01:15:22,967 --> 01:15:24,166
to earn a living was, they did

1855
01:15:24,233 --> 01:15:26,467
stucco for buildings.

1856
01:15:26,533 --> 01:15:30,100
And so, we called a contact that

1857
01:15:30,166 --> 01:15:33,266
has several rental properties in

1858
01:15:33,333 --> 01:15:35,000
Miami and says, "Would you call

1859
01:15:35,066 --> 01:15:36,100
these guys and see if you could

1860
01:15:36,166 --> 01:15:37,467
hire them to do some stucco

1861
01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:40,066
work for you?"

1862
01:15:40,133 --> 01:15:41,867
My understanding is, they were

1863
01:15:41,934 --> 01:15:43,467
actually on ladders when they

1864
01:15:43,533 --> 01:15:46,533
were arrested by the SWAT team.

1865
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,266
♪ ♪

1866
01:15:49,333 --> 01:15:50,667
>> Breaking news out of Miami.

1867
01:15:50,734 --> 01:15:51,967
Anti-terrorism raids by the FBI,

1868
01:15:52,033 --> 01:15:53,533
as well as state and local

1869
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:54,767
police.

1870
01:15:54,834 --> 01:15:56,133
Seven people right now are under

1871
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,166
arrest.

1872
01:15:57,233 --> 01:15:58,867
>> I had Minerva there, I had my

1873
01:15:58,934 --> 01:16:00,133
daughter Narcassia, and my son

1874
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,000
Prince.

1875
01:16:02,066 --> 01:16:03,433
And they told me and my family

1876
01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:04,667
to get on the ground.

1877
01:16:04,734 --> 01:16:05,600
They all, they held machine

1878
01:16:05,667 --> 01:16:06,734
guns to my kids' and my wife's

1879
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,633
head and my head.

1880
01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:11,066
>> I was scared for my life or

1881
01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:12,700
they would shoot us.

1882
01:16:13,300 --> 01:16:15,200
They had guns drawn at us,

1883
01:16:15,266 --> 01:16:17,500
pointing at my children.

1884
01:16:17,567 --> 01:16:18,500
I thought it was just something

1885
01:16:18,567 --> 01:16:20,467
of, as, a ticket he hadn't

1886
01:16:20,533 --> 01:16:22,867
paid, or, or maybe a violation

1887
01:16:22,934 --> 01:16:25,333
he had made somewhere.

1888
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,600
>> It was, like, 50 agents.

1889
01:16:27,667 --> 01:16:29,066
They swarmed around me real

1890
01:16:29,133 --> 01:16:30,400
quick.

1891
01:16:30,467 --> 01:16:31,567
They were, like, "Get on the

1892
01:16:31,633 --> 01:16:32,600
ground, get on the (bleep)

1893
01:16:32,667 --> 01:16:33,600
ground!

1894
01:16:33,667 --> 01:16:34,800
Get on the (bleep) ground."

1895
01:16:34,867 --> 01:16:37,367
I said, "(bleep)!"

1896
01:16:37,433 --> 01:16:38,367
I'm thinking of everything I did

1897
01:16:38,433 --> 01:16:39,600
back in the day.

1898
01:16:39,667 --> 01:16:40,567
I'm, like, "Damn, they caught up

1899
01:16:40,633 --> 01:16:41,400
with me."

1900
01:16:41,467 --> 01:16:43,433
And then the oath and then the

1901
01:16:43,500 --> 01:16:44,734
pictures and everything flashed

1902
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:45,934
in my mind, I'm, like, "It was a

1903
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,400
setup."

1904
01:16:47,467 --> 01:16:48,834
>> Breaking news tonight,

1905
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:50,667
terror-related arrests in Miami.

1906
01:16:50,734 --> 01:16:52,100
>> FBI agents swoop in on a

1907
01:16:52,166 --> 01:16:53,233
Liberty City neighborhood to

1908
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:54,667
foil an alleged plot to commit

1909
01:16:54,734 --> 01:16:55,967
terror acts in Miami and

1910
01:16:56,033 --> 01:16:57,133
Chicago.

1911
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,433
>> I see my brother on

1912
01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:00,934
television saying he's a, a

1913
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,000
terrorist.

1914
01:17:02,066 --> 01:17:02,967
>> Investigators say one of the

1915
01:17:03,033 --> 01:17:04,600
seven, Narseal Batiste, was the

1916
01:17:04,667 --> 01:17:05,734
ringleader.

1917
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,367
>> "Ringleader"?!

1918
01:17:07,433 --> 01:17:09,233
I said, "A ringleader?!"

1919
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:10,834
Oh, my God.

1920
01:17:10,900 --> 01:17:11,800
I said, "This boy can't even put

1921
01:17:11,867 --> 01:17:12,834
cows in the pasture, how's he a

1922
01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:14,467
ringleader?"

1923
01:17:14,533 --> 01:17:16,400
I'm, like, this is no way, and I

1924
01:17:16,467 --> 01:17:17,567
mean, I was so hurt.

1925
01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:18,734
I just fell to my knees and I

1926
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:19,900
started crying, because I'm,

1927
01:17:19,967 --> 01:17:22,533
like, "This is not true.

1928
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,066
This is not my brother."

1929
01:17:24,133 --> 01:17:25,166
>> We now go back to Larry

1930
01:17:25,233 --> 01:17:26,200
King's exclusive interview with

1931
01:17:26,266 --> 01:17:27,266
the director of the FBI, Robert

1932
01:17:27,333 --> 01:17:28,533
Mueller.

1933
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:29,533
>> Federal agents are conducting

1934
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,834
a terrorism-related

1935
01:17:30,900 --> 01:17:32,700
investigation in Liberty City.

1936
01:17:32,767 --> 01:17:33,667
That's an area of the city of

1937
01:17:33,734 --> 01:17:34,600
Miami.

1938
01:17:34,667 --> 01:17:35,800
What can you tell us?

1939
01:17:35,867 --> 01:17:37,000
>> I can tell you that we do

1940
01:17:37,066 --> 01:17:38,600
have ongoing operation in, in

1941
01:17:38,667 --> 01:17:39,533
Miami.

1942
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:40,467
We are conducting a, a number of

1943
01:17:40,533 --> 01:17:42,300
arrests and searches.

1944
01:17:42,367 --> 01:17:43,800
>> Big concern?

1945
01:17:43,867 --> 01:17:45,200
>> Whenever we undertake an

1946
01:17:45,266 --> 01:17:46,333
operation like this, we would

1947
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,533
not do it without the approval

1948
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:48,600
of a judge.

1949
01:17:48,667 --> 01:17:49,433
We've got search warrants and

1950
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:50,333
arrest warrants and the like,

1951
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:56,066
and so, yes, it's a concern.

1952
01:17:56,133 --> 01:18:00,467
(siren blaring)

1953
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♪ ♪

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>> Good morning, I'm joined

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today by FBI Deputy Director

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John Pistole and Assistant

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Attorney General Alice Fischer

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of the Criminal Division.

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The fact that there was a

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press conference where the

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attorney general speaks,

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it's a pretty big deal for the

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Department of Justice.

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Seven men were arrested

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yesterday in Miami on charges

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of, of conspiring to support the

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Al-Qaeda terrorist organization

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by planning attacks on numerous

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targets, including bombing the

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Sears Tower in Chicago...

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Listen, we're gonna go after

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people that engage in any, any

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kind of contact that's similar

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to this.

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And I think that's a very

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powerful message, a very

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powerful tool, that the attorney

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general is using the stick of

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the Department of Justice to try

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to discourage this kind of

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behavior from happening again.

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These individuals wished to wage

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a, a "full ground war against

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the United States."

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>> The ridiculousness of that

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opening announcement by Gonzales

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is astounding.

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I think I wrote that, "Wage a

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ground war against the United

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States?

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This group couldn't wage a

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ground war against a jar of

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peppercorns."

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>> It was clear that from the

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highest levels of the Department

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of Justice, that this

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prosecution had been approved

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and was being touted as, like, a

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success of the government's

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counter-terrorism program.

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I think what struck everyone was

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that Alberto Gonzales seemed to

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know very little about the

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specifics of this case.

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>> Did any of the, uh, men have

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any actual contact with any

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members of Al-Qaeda, that you

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know of?

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>> Any...?

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>> No.

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>> Yeah.

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The, the answer to that, the

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answer to that is no.

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>> They had no money.

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They had no weapons.

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They weren't even Islamic

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extremists.

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Ultimately, we realized it was a

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sting operation.

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The way this all unfolded seemed

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very improbable.

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Very forced.

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And it really looked like the

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FBI had led these men down the

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primrose path.

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>> Was there anything against

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the Sears Tower except this one

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apparent discuss... just kind of

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a mention of the Sears Tower?

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Doesn't look like they ever took

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pictures or did any of...?

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>> One of the individuals was

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familiar with the Sears Tower,

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had worked in Chicago, and had

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been there.

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So was familiar with the, with

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the tower.

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I wanted to distinguish this for

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the media, 'cause one of my

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concerns was that we not

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over-hype things.

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That, you know, this is, this

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is another 9/11 cell, that

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they're ready, willing, and able

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to die and had means of

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accomplishing their attacks.

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And so, I described it as an,

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that this was an aspirational

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group rather than an operational

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group.

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In terms of the plans, it was

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more aspirational than, than

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operational.

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>> I think the public and the

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media began to realize very

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quickly that this was just not a

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strong case.

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That it was a weak case.

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>> It looks like these guys were

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actually asking for material

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support from what they thought

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was Al-Qaeda.

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These, these guys couldn't buy

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boots on their own?

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They don't sound like very

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sophisticated or, or, you know,

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effective operators.

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>> These guys didn't have, you

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know, the ability to, you know,

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blow up anything, let alone the

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Sears Tower.

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>> Did you find any explosives,

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weapons...?

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>> And you raise a, a good

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point.

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You know, you know, our

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philosophy here is that we try

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to identify plots in the

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earliest stages possible,

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because we don't know what we,

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what we don't know about,

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about a terrorism plot.

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>> You know, I hate to criticize

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an attorney general, but when he

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said, "We had taken out an

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Al-Qaeda cell," yes, I...

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I knew that was going to be a

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problem.

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He went overboard.

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They were not an Al-Qaeda cell.

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They were not directed by

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Al-Qaeda.

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You know, that is an

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overstatement.

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So the charges were valid.

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It was, it was the over-hyping

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of the case.

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>> So they're charged with

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providing material support to a

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terrorist organization, namely

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Al-Qaeda, even though there was

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no actual connection to

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Al-Qaeda.

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>> The problem with terrorism

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cases is, you have to stop the

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act.

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And so, you really, in a way,

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have to predict who's going to

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do what.

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And so, stings are very

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important, but if you overstate

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what you have done in a sting,

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then people begin to lose

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confidence in what you're doing.

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They think that you're just out

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there creating a terrorist

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yourself.

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>> I had been doing undercover

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work in terrorism cases for a

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decade before 9/11.

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And before 9/11, if I had called

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FBI headquarters and said, "I

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want to initiate an undercover

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operation targeting a terrorist

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group," uh, the first question

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they would have asked me is,

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"Okay, what terrorist group do

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this, these individuals belong

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to?"

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And if I said, "Well, they don't

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actually belong to a terrorist

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group, they're just saying

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things that sound kind of scary

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and things that terrorists

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might say."

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And they would say, "Okay, well,

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what kind of weapons do they

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have?"

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And if I replied, "Well, they

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don't actually have any weapons,

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and part of the plot would be

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to supply them with weapons."

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And then they would say, "Well,

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what plot do they have in mind?"

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And I would say, "Well, they

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haven't actually identified a

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plot yet.

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Part of the operation would be

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to identify a plot and then

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provide them the weapons so that

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they could be terrorists."

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Uh, they would have sent me

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for counseling.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Through 2005 and 2006, there

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had been a very heated debate

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over extending expiring

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provisions of the Patriot Act.

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So I think that there was great

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pressure on the FBI to

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demonstrate both that there was

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a powerful threat that still

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existed inside the United States

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that justified this expanded

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surveillance authority, and that

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the tools that they had been

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given through the Patriot Act

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were actually effective in

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identifying these plots.

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(siren blaring)

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>> Correctional officers in the

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building all of a sudden start

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running to my cell and pointing

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at me, and bringing people.

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So, it's, like, all of a sudden,

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everybody coming to take a look

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at me.

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And it was, like, "Well, this is

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a terrorism case.

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You know, you finna get shipped

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to Guantanamo."

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When he said that, I could feel

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my stomach turn.

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I think for the next three

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days, I had, like, diarrhea-- it

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was just, it was a shock.

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And then I knew what I was

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getting charged with, and, you

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know, I just, I just hid up

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under the, um, the blanket, you

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know, while people come point at

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me, and, you know, it was, it

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was horrifying.

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>> If they were homegrown

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terrorists, they grew up here,

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on this Miami street.

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Stanley Phanor was born in this

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house.

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Lyglenson Lemorin moved in

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across the street with his mom

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when he was just six.

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And today, the two mothers, both

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Haitian, told us in disbelief

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there were no terrorists raised

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on 45th Street.

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>> They have this, everything.

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They have this to put on...

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(indistinct)

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>> And they calling him

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illegal immigrant on the TV.

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>> My son is good from your

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country!

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♪ ♪

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>> The objective then becomes to

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solicit the cooperation of one

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of the defendants.

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To flip someone.

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>> And he was telling me, "Are

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you seriously thinking about

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spending the rest of your life

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in prison?"

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I said, "Man, I don't wanna

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spend the rest of my life in

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prison."

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They're, like, "Okay, then, so

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the only way you could do that

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is by signing these papers."

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I'm, like, "I'mma set myself

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free without signing those

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papers."

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>> We was looking at the younger

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brothers, um, Naudimar and B.

2234
01:25:48,367 --> 01:25:49,834
And we was, like, "You know

2235
01:25:49,900 --> 01:25:51,533
what, just, um, just sign what

2236
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:52,867
you gotta sign."

2237
01:25:52,934 --> 01:26:06,467
You know what I'm...

2238
01:26:06,533 --> 01:26:11,500
♪ ♪

2239
01:26:26,033 --> 01:26:28,233
(shuddered breath)

2240
01:26:28,300 --> 01:26:31,467
We told them brothers, Naudimar

2241
01:26:31,533 --> 01:26:33,100
and B, "Man, sign what you

2242
01:26:33,166 --> 01:26:34,834
gotta sign, man, and get out of

2243
01:26:34,900 --> 01:26:35,834
this.

2244
01:26:35,900 --> 01:26:36,734
You know, you real young."

2245
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,033
And, you know, they got upset.

2246
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:40,233
They was, like, "No, we're not

2247
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:41,066
signing."

2248
01:26:41,133 --> 01:26:43,000
We facing 70 years and three

2249
01:26:43,066 --> 01:26:45,333
life sentences, and, you know,

2250
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:46,734
them brothers was, like, nah,

2251
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:47,967
they not.

2252
01:26:48,033 --> 01:26:49,100
You know, and I definitely

2253
01:26:49,166 --> 01:26:50,233
wasn't.

2254
01:26:50,300 --> 01:26:52,367
You know, so...

2255
01:26:52,433 --> 01:26:53,800
Yeah, nobody was willing to

2256
01:26:53,867 --> 01:26:55,867
sign off that they was

2257
01:26:55,934 --> 01:26:56,867
terrorism.

2258
01:26:56,934 --> 01:26:57,934
But more so, nobody was willing

2259
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,133
to...

2260
01:27:05,333 --> 01:27:06,567
Yeah, nobody was willing to send

2261
01:27:06,633 --> 01:27:07,600
they brother, who they know

2262
01:27:07,667 --> 01:27:08,734
what we was out there doing in

2263
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,600
them streets, you know, up the

2264
01:27:10,667 --> 01:27:12,900
road for a charge that, that

2265
01:27:12,967 --> 01:27:14,433
wasn't us.

2266
01:27:14,500 --> 01:27:16,033
>> I refused every plea.

2267
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:16,934
I talked to my lawyer, I told my

2268
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:17,834
lawyer-- my lawyer couldn't

2269
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:18,700
understand it.

2270
01:27:18,767 --> 01:27:19,667
I told him that's basically how

2271
01:27:19,734 --> 01:27:20,567
I got to be, because I was

2272
01:27:20,633 --> 01:27:21,700
with these brothers.

2273
01:27:21,767 --> 01:27:23,100
I knew what they was about.

2274
01:27:23,166 --> 01:27:25,633
I knew if I get, take any plea,

2275
01:27:25,700 --> 01:27:27,133
even regardless of plea that

2276
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:28,166
said that I didn't know nothing

2277
01:27:28,233 --> 01:27:29,266
about that, then I'm, then it

2278
01:27:29,333 --> 01:27:31,467
actually saying something about

2279
01:27:31,533 --> 01:27:33,066
my, my brothers that's left in

2280
01:27:33,133 --> 01:27:34,200
there that I knew they was not

2281
01:27:34,266 --> 01:27:35,367
about what they say they was

2282
01:27:35,433 --> 01:27:36,767
about.

2283
01:27:36,834 --> 01:27:37,700
>> Prosecutors laid out their

2284
01:27:37,767 --> 01:27:39,166
case against seven men dubbed

2285
01:27:39,233 --> 01:27:40,934
the Liberty City Seven, accused

2286
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,533
of conspiring to blow up the

2287
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,133
Sears Tower in Chicago.

2288
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,166
>> You have to understand that,

2289
01:27:47,233 --> 01:27:49,200
in the counter-terrorism field,

2290
01:27:49,266 --> 01:27:51,033
the criminal penalties

2291
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:52,500
associated with the laws that

2292
01:27:52,567 --> 01:27:53,767
are used, particularly laws like

2293
01:27:53,834 --> 01:27:55,100
the material support for

2294
01:27:55,166 --> 01:27:56,834
terrorism law, come with

2295
01:27:56,900 --> 01:27:58,400
draconian penalties.

2296
01:27:58,467 --> 01:27:59,767
So, if a defense attorney went

2297
01:27:59,834 --> 01:28:01,734
to a client who was charged with

2298
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,400
terrorism charges and said,

2299
01:28:03,467 --> 01:28:04,767
"Hey, look, you know, you're

2300
01:28:04,834 --> 01:28:06,533
looking at 30 or 40 years in

2301
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:07,800
jail if you go to trial and are

2302
01:28:07,867 --> 01:28:09,900
convicted, but the government's

2303
01:28:09,967 --> 01:28:11,834
offering you to plead out to

2304
01:28:11,900 --> 01:28:13,200
five years," even somebody who

2305
01:28:13,266 --> 01:28:14,867
is entirely innocent or

2306
01:28:14,934 --> 01:28:17,867
believes that they were induced

2307
01:28:17,934 --> 01:28:18,934
into committing some kind of

2308
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,533
crime, it wouldn't be unusual

2309
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:23,900
for them to plead guilty to it.

2310
01:28:23,967 --> 01:28:26,734
So, the Liberty City Seven case

2311
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,100
was fascinating to me, both

2312
01:28:29,166 --> 01:28:32,100
because it showed me that all of

2313
01:28:32,166 --> 01:28:33,400
the defendants were willing to

2314
01:28:33,467 --> 01:28:35,734
go to trial, showed me that they

2315
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:36,967
were convinced they had done

2316
01:28:37,033 --> 01:28:38,100
nothing wrong.

2317
01:28:38,166 --> 01:28:39,533
And moreover, it gave one of the

2318
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:40,834
very first opportunities to

2319
01:28:40,900 --> 01:28:43,500
really examine the FBI's

2320
01:28:43,567 --> 01:28:45,667
tactics, because all of the

2321
01:28:45,734 --> 01:28:47,100
information would come out

2322
01:28:47,166 --> 01:28:48,433
through the criminal trial.

2323
01:28:48,500 --> 01:28:49,633
>> The challenge for the Liberty

2324
01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:51,100
Seven defense: the suspects did

2325
01:28:51,166 --> 01:28:53,100
indeed pledge an oath to

2326
01:28:53,166 --> 01:28:55,266
Al-Qaeda.

2327
01:28:55,333 --> 01:28:56,266
>> When you have the attorney

2328
01:28:56,333 --> 01:28:58,000
general of the United States

2329
01:28:58,066 --> 01:28:59,834
having a press conference, I

2330
01:28:59,900 --> 01:29:01,400
realized that I was in for a

2331
01:29:01,467 --> 01:29:06,000
major battle going forward.

2332
01:29:06,066 --> 01:29:07,266
Our story was a simple one: they

2333
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:08,133
didn't have the manner and

2334
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,567
means, they had no money-- they

2335
01:29:09,633 --> 01:29:11,734
barely had vehicles.

2336
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,900
They didn't have horses and they

2337
01:29:15,967 --> 01:29:18,100
certainly didn't have bombs.

2338
01:29:18,166 --> 01:29:19,166
This is a case manufactured

2339
01:29:19,233 --> 01:29:20,367
primarily by the government, or

2340
01:29:20,433 --> 01:29:21,900
in my case, my client's case,

2341
01:29:21,967 --> 01:29:23,467
this wasn't his idea.

2342
01:29:23,533 --> 01:29:24,633
It was just a complete, you

2343
01:29:24,700 --> 01:29:26,433
know, setup by the government.

2344
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:27,867
The plot was being moved forward

2345
01:29:27,934 --> 01:29:31,300
by the informants and the FBI.

2346
01:29:31,367 --> 01:29:34,033
Who directed their activities.

2347
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:35,900
They ran this whole show.

2348
01:29:35,967 --> 01:29:37,800
They, they provided the script.

2349
01:29:37,867 --> 01:29:40,300
They provided the choreography,

2350
01:29:40,367 --> 01:29:41,734
okay?

2351
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,300
They provided the direction.

2352
01:29:43,367 --> 01:29:45,467
This was not a terrorist case at

2353
01:29:45,533 --> 01:29:48,600
all, let alone a case where the

2354
01:29:48,667 --> 01:29:51,567
actors, the defendants, were

2355
01:29:51,633 --> 01:29:54,700
moving the plot forward.

2356
01:29:54,767 --> 01:29:55,734
>> They invented the players,

2357
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:57,333
they invented the theme, they

2358
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,633
invented how it was gonna go

2359
01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:59,767
down.

2360
01:29:59,834 --> 01:30:01,400
They, they wrote this script.

2361
01:30:01,467 --> 01:30:03,200
They wrote this script.

2362
01:30:03,266 --> 01:30:03,967
>> One of the other defense

2363
01:30:04,033 --> 01:30:04,867
attorneys said this was all

2364
01:30:04,934 --> 01:30:07,300
really a inner-city scam.

2365
01:30:07,367 --> 01:30:08,333
>> Well, we do know that, first

2366
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:09,967
of all, that one of the things

2367
01:30:10,033 --> 01:30:11,066
that was done in this case was

2368
01:30:11,133 --> 01:30:13,133
that there was a serious

2369
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:14,266
question with regard to $50,000

2370
01:30:14,333 --> 01:30:15,600
being given to these individuals

2371
01:30:15,667 --> 01:30:17,066
to help them to revitalize this

2372
01:30:17,133 --> 01:30:18,233
building.

2373
01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:19,367
Here's Narseal saying, "We've

2374
01:30:19,433 --> 01:30:20,767
gotta get this $50,000, so, man,

2375
01:30:20,834 --> 01:30:22,233
just go along with this plan

2376
01:30:22,300 --> 01:30:23,533
for me, and then we're gonna be

2377
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,200
good after that.

2378
01:30:25,266 --> 01:30:26,200
Just go along with it.

2379
01:30:26,266 --> 01:30:27,233
No, we're not gonna do anything,

2380
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:28,400
but just go along with it."

2381
01:30:28,467 --> 01:30:29,567
>> And so, the defense became

2382
01:30:29,633 --> 01:30:31,100
that, that these guys were doing

2383
01:30:31,166 --> 01:30:32,667
this just for the money, that

2384
01:30:32,734 --> 01:30:34,700
this was one big scam.

2385
01:30:34,767 --> 01:30:37,467
>> It would have been a scam.

2386
01:30:37,533 --> 01:30:39,100
It would have been a scam had he

2387
01:30:39,166 --> 01:30:41,433
given us pictures of the Waffle

2388
01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:43,967
House.

2389
01:30:44,033 --> 01:30:46,000
Or, you know, given us a blank

2390
01:30:46,066 --> 01:30:47,734
disc.

2391
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,834
Or, or just not have given us

2392
01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:54,000
footage of the FBI office, the

2393
01:30:54,066 --> 01:30:56,934
U.S. attorney's office, and the

2394
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,467
Miami Police Department.

2395
01:30:58,533 --> 01:31:01,834
So, it's not a scam.

2396
01:31:02,734 --> 01:31:04,467
I mean, that is a, an executed

2397
01:31:04,533 --> 01:31:05,433
agreement.

2398
01:31:05,500 --> 01:31:06,467
>> Whether these people were

2399
01:31:06,533 --> 01:31:08,100
being paid or not, the question

2400
01:31:08,166 --> 01:31:10,233
is, are they willing to commit

2401
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:12,266
these acts?

2402
01:31:12,333 --> 01:31:14,000
Whether it's for money or it's

2403
01:31:14,066 --> 01:31:16,000
for free.

2404
01:31:16,333 --> 01:31:19,166
So it really made no difference.

2405
01:31:19,233 --> 01:31:20,233
>> Prosecutors told the jury

2406
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:22,166
they'll hear from among 15,000

2407
01:31:22,233 --> 01:31:23,767
government recordings of the

2408
01:31:23,834 --> 01:31:26,200
group's plan to create chaos.

2409
01:31:46,133 --> 01:31:47,000
>> I'm hearing this for the

2410
01:31:47,066 --> 01:31:48,533
first time.

2411
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,667
Now I know why we got indicted.

2412
01:31:50,734 --> 01:31:51,900
Because in my mind, I thought

2413
01:31:51,967 --> 01:31:54,166
the only meetings that occurred

2414
01:31:54,233 --> 01:31:56,300
was the ones I was there.

2415
01:32:01,934 --> 01:32:04,500
>> He's a (bleep) nut.

2416
01:32:04,567 --> 01:32:05,433
What the (bleep) is you running

2417
01:32:05,500 --> 01:32:06,934
your (bleep)-damn mouth for?

2418
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,000
On and on and on.

2419
01:32:18,700 --> 01:32:20,100
>> My life was on the line, but

2420
01:32:20,166 --> 01:32:21,200
I just couldn't believe the

2421
01:32:21,266 --> 01:32:23,333
words that was coming out of

2422
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:24,633
Batiste's mouth.

2423
01:32:30,567 --> 01:32:31,800
>> I couldn't believe I was on

2424
01:32:31,867 --> 01:32:35,000
trial for these conversations.

2425
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,867
♪ ♪

2426
01:32:37,934 --> 01:32:39,100
>> Narseal got on the stand.

2427
01:32:39,166 --> 01:32:40,867
I was literally yelling at him

2428
01:32:40,934 --> 01:32:42,934
about how his stupidity and the

2429
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,233
things he did got these guys in

2430
01:32:44,300 --> 01:32:45,400
trouble.

2431
01:32:45,467 --> 01:32:46,333
And he's sitting up there and

2432
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:46,700
he's crying.

2433
01:32:47,533 --> 01:32:48,300
And, you know, and I said, "And

2434
01:32:48,367 --> 01:32:49,367
here you are.

2435
01:32:49,433 --> 01:32:50,200
You stepped off what we call

2436
01:32:50,266 --> 01:32:53,133
a, a... the square, if you will,

2437
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:54,266
which is of righteousness, and

2438
01:32:54,333 --> 01:32:56,233
you led these guys down, you

2439
01:32:56,300 --> 01:32:58,033
know, to the wrong path.

2440
01:32:58,100 --> 01:32:59,433
And everybody is now sitting up

2441
01:32:59,500 --> 01:33:00,867
here indicted by a federal

2442
01:33:00,934 --> 01:33:02,000
government, looking at and being

2443
01:33:02,066 --> 01:33:03,533
called terrorists," and he's...

2444
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,500
He's bawling, he's crying.

2445
01:33:05,567 --> 01:33:06,734
>> I cried about it on the

2446
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,800
witness stand.

2447
01:33:09,867 --> 01:33:10,567
Said it was something that I

2448
01:33:10,633 --> 01:33:15,266
really didn't mean inside.

2449
01:33:15,333 --> 01:33:16,300
That I was just going along with

2450
01:33:16,367 --> 01:33:17,333
Abbas's game, using his

2451
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:18,333
language.

2452
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,000
Him and Assaad.

2453
01:33:21,066 --> 01:33:22,100
I wanted to stand up and shout

2454
01:33:22,166 --> 01:33:23,033
and say that, "I'm not this

2455
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:24,266
person.

2456
01:33:24,333 --> 01:33:26,200
I'm really a good person on the

2457
01:33:26,266 --> 01:33:28,400
inside.

2458
01:33:28,467 --> 01:33:30,233
I would never do these things.

2459
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:33,433
It was just a con game."

2460
01:33:33,500 --> 01:33:36,600
♪ ♪

2461
01:33:36,667 --> 01:33:37,633
>> I kind of felt that he should

2462
01:33:37,700 --> 01:33:40,033
have been a little stronger.

2463
01:33:40,100 --> 01:33:41,400
You know what I mean?

2464
01:33:41,467 --> 01:33:42,533
'Cause we was all together, you

2465
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,300
know, trying to give each other

2466
01:33:44,367 --> 01:33:45,400
support.

2467
01:33:45,467 --> 01:33:47,166
But he'll just, um, he'll just

2468
01:33:47,233 --> 01:33:49,100
ball up in a corner, and it was

2469
01:33:49,166 --> 01:33:51,166
just, it was a lot of guilt.

2470
01:33:51,233 --> 01:33:53,834
You know, of the things he said,

2471
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:56,033
you know.

2472
01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:57,133
You know, all of us getting

2473
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,567
locked up with him and, you

2474
01:34:00,633 --> 01:34:02,767
know, his family image, you

2475
01:34:02,834 --> 01:34:04,467
know, everything was destroyed

2476
01:34:04,533 --> 01:34:07,500
and, you know, it took a toll on

2477
01:34:07,567 --> 01:34:10,100
him.

2478
01:34:10,166 --> 01:34:15,100
♪ ♪

2479
01:34:15,166 --> 01:34:17,734
I did a, maybe a year and eight

2480
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,700
months in Miami FDC.

2481
01:34:21,767 --> 01:34:24,834
I was in solitary confinement.

2482
01:34:24,900 --> 01:34:29,800
They call it the SHU.

2483
01:34:29,867 --> 01:34:30,934
Yeah, you probably go crazy in

2484
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,433
there, you know, and I tell

2485
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:35,867
people maybe I am, maybe I'm

2486
01:34:35,934 --> 01:34:37,166
not, I...

2487
01:34:37,233 --> 01:34:39,100
But it's, um...

2488
01:34:39,166 --> 01:34:40,100
You don't do that to another

2489
01:34:40,166 --> 01:34:42,166
human being.

2490
01:34:42,233 --> 01:34:45,867
♪ ♪

2491
01:34:45,934 --> 01:34:49,667
One day, a guy walked by me.

2492
01:34:49,734 --> 01:34:51,100
And then he, like, said, "What's

2493
01:34:51,166 --> 01:34:52,967
up?" to me with just a head nod.

2494
01:34:53,033 --> 01:34:54,200
And, you know, I was at the

2495
01:34:54,266 --> 01:34:55,300
little window, it's like a

2496
01:34:55,367 --> 01:34:57,734
little... six-inch window, and

2497
01:34:57,800 --> 01:34:58,767
I'm looking, and I gave him a

2498
01:34:58,834 --> 01:34:59,867
head nod.

2499
01:34:59,934 --> 01:35:01,100
And then I walked back to my

2500
01:35:01,166 --> 01:35:02,367
chair, and I'm just sitting

2501
01:35:02,433 --> 01:35:04,500
there, and it hit me, "I just

2502
01:35:04,567 --> 01:35:06,033
seen Batiste!"

2503
01:35:06,100 --> 01:35:09,133
So, I...

2504
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:10,433
I couldn't believe it.

2505
01:35:10,500 --> 01:35:11,934
You know, I couldn't believe it.

2506
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,166
He was a totally different

2507
01:35:13,233 --> 01:35:14,233
person.

2508
01:35:14,300 --> 01:35:15,200
He was skin and bones and, you

2509
01:35:15,266 --> 01:35:17,834
know, it was times I hear...

2510
01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:19,166
I heard him, you know, screaming

2511
01:35:19,233 --> 01:35:21,667
in his cell.

2512
01:35:21,734 --> 01:35:23,300
I think it just about killed

2513
01:35:23,367 --> 01:35:24,700
him.

2514
01:35:24,767 --> 01:35:25,867
I think it just about killed

2515
01:35:25,934 --> 01:35:27,600
him.

2516
01:35:27,667 --> 01:35:29,533
♪ ♪

2517
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:30,467
>> After two long months of

2518
01:35:30,533 --> 01:35:31,867
trial, the jurors couldn't

2519
01:35:31,934 --> 01:35:33,166
decide any of the charges for

2520
01:35:33,233 --> 01:35:34,600
the so-called Liberty City

2521
01:35:34,667 --> 01:35:35,867
Seven.

2522
01:35:35,934 --> 01:35:36,700
>> There was a lot of

2523
01:35:36,767 --> 01:35:37,700
disagreement, but all of the

2524
01:35:37,767 --> 01:35:39,100
jurors worked very hard.

2525
01:35:39,166 --> 01:35:41,133
Um, everybody gave it, gave

2526
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:42,467
it their all and came here every

2527
01:35:42,533 --> 01:35:45,166
day, for many, many months, and

2528
01:35:45,233 --> 01:35:46,633
uh, and did the best that we

2529
01:35:46,700 --> 01:35:47,667
could.

2530
01:35:47,734 --> 01:35:48,800
I think the jury as a whole kind

2531
01:35:48,867 --> 01:35:51,133
of felt sorry for these guys.

2532
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,767
That they got, they've wound

2533
01:35:53,834 --> 01:35:55,867
themselves up in this position,

2534
01:35:55,934 --> 01:35:57,533
but, you know, they, to some

2535
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,467
extent, they did it themselves.

2536
01:36:00,533 --> 01:36:01,767
There were a few people that

2537
01:36:01,834 --> 01:36:03,000
really bought into this idea

2538
01:36:03,066 --> 01:36:04,533
that they were just doing this

2539
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,800
to scam this guy out of money.

2540
01:36:06,867 --> 01:36:09,533
Which seems sort of odd, like,

2541
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,000
um, to be scamming Al-Qaeda.

2542
01:36:11,066 --> 01:36:12,066
They're not the type of people

2543
01:36:12,133 --> 01:36:13,100
that you would think about

2544
01:36:13,166 --> 01:36:14,900
really running a scam on, I

2545
01:36:14,967 --> 01:36:16,200
wouldn't think.

2546
01:36:16,266 --> 01:36:17,333
They would seem like kind of

2547
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,900
scary guys to, to cross.

2548
01:36:19,967 --> 01:36:21,233
That's why I think there was a

2549
01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:22,834
hung jury, except that one

2550
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:24,467
defendant who they felt really

2551
01:36:24,533 --> 01:36:26,066
had very little connection and

2552
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:27,266
wasn't around for most of this,

2553
01:36:27,333 --> 01:36:29,834
and we dismissed the case

2554
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:31,367
against him.

2555
01:36:31,433 --> 01:36:33,667
Found him not guilty.

2556
01:36:33,734 --> 01:36:34,834
>> One of seven Miami men

2557
01:36:34,900 --> 01:36:35,834
accused of plotting to join

2558
01:36:35,900 --> 01:36:37,266
forces with Al-Qaeda has been

2559
01:36:37,333 --> 01:36:38,734
acquitted, and a mistrial has

2560
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,133
been declared for the six other

2561
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:41,333
men.

2562
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:43,200
>> They said, "Lyglenson Lemorin

2563
01:36:43,266 --> 01:36:44,233
not guilty for the first charge.

2564
01:36:44,300 --> 01:36:45,266
Lyglenson Lemorin not guilty

2565
01:36:45,333 --> 01:36:46,266
for the second charge, for the

2566
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:47,767
third charge, for the fourth

2567
01:36:47,834 --> 01:36:48,633
charge."

2568
01:36:48,700 --> 01:36:49,567
And everybody was so happy.

2569
01:36:49,633 --> 01:36:50,400
>> Was he crying?

2570
01:36:50,467 --> 01:36:51,266
I couldn't tell...

2571
01:36:51,333 --> 01:36:52,133
>> Yes, we both were.

2572
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:53,066
Very emotional.

2573
01:36:53,133 --> 01:36:54,533
Levi was found not guilty at the

2574
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:55,734
first trial.

2575
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,433
And it was fantastic.

2576
01:36:59,500 --> 01:37:01,834
Thought he'd be able to move on

2577
01:37:01,900 --> 01:37:03,233
with his life.

2578
01:37:03,300 --> 01:37:04,467
>> Well, I went back, we all

2579
01:37:04,533 --> 01:37:05,500
thought I'm going home, packed

2580
01:37:05,567 --> 01:37:06,834
my stuff, and then that's when

2581
01:37:06,900 --> 01:37:10,700
Immigration came and got me.

2582
01:37:10,767 --> 01:37:14,133
♪ ♪

2583
01:37:17,867 --> 01:37:19,900
>> The judge found that he had

2584
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,700
associated himself with a

2585
01:37:22,767 --> 01:37:25,600
terrorist group, and that in and

2586
01:37:25,667 --> 01:37:29,500
of itself was deportable.

2587
01:37:29,567 --> 01:37:30,734
>> You look at my case, I have

2588
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:32,967
no conviction-- nothing.

2589
01:37:33,033 --> 01:37:34,233
That trial was my only thing and

2590
01:37:34,300 --> 01:37:36,066
I've been working all my life.

2591
01:37:36,133 --> 01:37:37,800
I got kids, wife.

2592
01:37:37,867 --> 01:37:39,300
I married a American.

2593
01:37:39,367 --> 01:37:41,100
I beat the case.

2594
01:37:41,166 --> 01:37:42,600
I beat the case and I'm sent

2595
01:37:42,667 --> 01:37:44,200
home.

2596
01:37:44,266 --> 01:37:45,166
>> You can be found not guilty,

2597
01:37:45,233 --> 01:37:46,633
but it still doesn't mean you're

2598
01:37:46,700 --> 01:37:48,033
not guilty in the eyes of the

2599
01:37:48,100 --> 01:37:52,000
U.S. government.

2600
01:37:52,066 --> 01:37:53,333
He couldn't even come back to

2601
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:54,700
the United States for his

2602
01:37:54,767 --> 01:37:56,533
15-year-old son's funeral when

2603
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,533
he was killed, um, along the

2604
01:37:58,600 --> 01:37:59,934
highway, trying to assist a

2605
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,500
motorist who had been stalled

2606
01:38:02,567 --> 01:38:06,367
and their car had broken down.

2607
01:38:06,433 --> 01:38:07,967
>> It's a pain where you

2608
01:38:08,033 --> 01:38:08,967
can't...

2609
01:38:09,033 --> 01:38:10,100
You don't know, it's almost

2610
01:38:10,166 --> 01:38:11,467
like your heart's closing and

2611
01:38:11,533 --> 01:38:12,400
you don't know what to do.

2612
01:38:12,467 --> 01:38:15,033
And I zoned out.

2613
01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:17,166
You know, life start over, life

2614
01:38:17,233 --> 01:38:18,433
ain't finished.

2615
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:19,567
God is great.

2616
01:38:19,633 --> 01:38:20,467
I'mma continue to be me.

2617
01:38:20,533 --> 01:38:21,633
I'mma continue to strive to

2618
01:38:21,700 --> 01:38:22,834
better myself.

2619
01:38:22,900 --> 01:38:25,033
(indistinct chatter)

2620
01:38:25,100 --> 01:38:26,467
It's really, nothing changed

2621
01:38:26,533 --> 01:38:28,066
about how I feel America.

2622
01:38:28,133 --> 01:38:29,700
I love America.

2623
01:38:29,767 --> 01:38:31,100
America's a great country.

2624
01:38:31,166 --> 01:38:33,600
But what happened to us, it's

2625
01:38:33,667 --> 01:38:35,500
not America that did it.

2626
01:38:35,567 --> 01:38:37,333
You know, it's not America.

2627
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,900
It's a few people in America

2628
01:38:39,967 --> 01:38:44,467
that people put their trust in.

2629
01:38:44,533 --> 01:38:45,767
>> Federal prosecutors say they

2630
01:38:45,834 --> 01:38:47,400
will retry the six men on whom

2631
01:38:47,467 --> 01:38:48,900
the jurors deadlocked.

2632
01:38:48,967 --> 01:38:50,266
Judge Joan Lenard set jury

2633
01:38:50,333 --> 01:38:52,266
selection for January.

2634
01:38:52,333 --> 01:38:54,033
>> It's hard to be able to look

2635
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:55,767
at the media once you've

2636
01:38:55,834 --> 01:38:57,400
arrested somebody and called

2637
01:38:57,467 --> 01:38:58,867
them a terrorist, and then drop

2638
01:38:58,934 --> 01:39:00,667
the case against them after one

2639
01:39:00,734 --> 01:39:01,800
trial, saying, "Okay, we're

2640
01:39:01,867 --> 01:39:02,734
gonna let them back out on the

2641
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,100
streets to complete what they

2642
01:39:04,166 --> 01:39:05,266
were trying to do."

2643
01:39:05,333 --> 01:39:06,367
>> And so the government had to

2644
01:39:06,433 --> 01:39:07,700
retry the case.

2645
01:39:07,767 --> 01:39:09,700
And they tried it a second time.

2646
01:39:09,767 --> 01:39:11,233
And it hung a second time for

2647
01:39:11,300 --> 01:39:12,867
the same reasons.

2648
01:39:12,934 --> 01:39:14,000
>> We did, we tried it again,

2649
01:39:14,066 --> 01:39:15,967
and there was another mistrial.

2650
01:39:16,033 --> 01:39:17,767
>> A federal judge has declared

2651
01:39:17,834 --> 01:39:19,100
another mistrial.

2652
01:39:19,166 --> 01:39:20,300
Prosecutors now have a week to

2653
01:39:20,367 --> 01:39:21,567
decide if they're going to try

2654
01:39:21,633 --> 01:39:23,567
them for a third time.

2655
01:39:23,633 --> 01:39:25,600
>> When that trial came to, um,

2656
01:39:25,667 --> 01:39:29,133
a hung jury again, we just knew

2657
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:30,533
they was gonna throw this case

2658
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:31,567
out.

2659
01:39:31,633 --> 01:39:32,633
There ain't no way they coming

2660
01:39:32,700 --> 01:39:34,333
back again for another trial

2661
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:35,500
with us, 'cause it was so

2662
01:39:35,567 --> 01:39:36,767
embarrassing.

2663
01:39:36,834 --> 01:39:38,000
>> My experience has been, it's,

2664
01:39:38,066 --> 01:39:39,467
it's two times and they're done.

2665
01:39:39,533 --> 01:39:40,667
But it depends on the case.

2666
01:39:40,734 --> 01:39:41,700
If they want somebody bad

2667
01:39:41,767 --> 01:39:44,233
enough, they continue to go

2668
01:39:44,300 --> 01:39:45,500
after the person.

2669
01:39:45,567 --> 01:39:46,767
And they wanted these guys,

2670
01:39:46,834 --> 01:39:48,000
badly.

2671
01:39:48,066 --> 01:39:49,533
>> Two juries failed to reach a

2672
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:50,700
verdict.

2673
01:39:50,767 --> 01:39:53,033
Now a third jury will try.

2674
01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:55,433
>> Imagine if we did nothing

2675
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:56,934
about this case, and instead of

2676
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,934
the FBI coming to, to Batiste,

2677
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:02,233
one of these organizations

2678
01:40:02,300 --> 01:40:03,533
actually came to Batiste and

2679
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,700
provided him the explosives.

2680
01:40:05,767 --> 01:40:08,533
So, could we ignore it?

2681
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:09,767
And if we had ignored it, and he

2682
01:40:09,834 --> 01:40:11,834
had blown up a building, he had

2683
01:40:11,900 --> 01:40:13,700
done damage to this building

2684
01:40:13,767 --> 01:40:15,600
you're sitting in right now, and

2685
01:40:15,667 --> 01:40:18,633
people were killed, wouldn't

2686
01:40:18,700 --> 01:40:20,100
you be coming back to us to

2687
01:40:20,166 --> 01:40:20,800
say, "Why didn't you do

2688
01:40:20,867 --> 01:40:21,867
something about it?

2689
01:40:21,934 --> 01:40:23,300
Why did you ignore it?"

2690
01:40:23,367 --> 01:40:24,734
This is the question: do you

2691
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:25,900
want us to stop them before they

2692
01:40:25,967 --> 01:40:28,033
commit this kind of crime, or,

2693
01:40:28,100 --> 01:40:29,533
or do you want to let it happen

2694
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:30,800
first?

2695
01:40:30,867 --> 01:40:31,800
>> So the government said,

2696
01:40:31,867 --> 01:40:32,834
"We're gonna give this one last

2697
01:40:32,900 --> 01:40:33,900
try.

2698
01:40:33,967 --> 01:40:35,066
A third time."

2699
01:40:35,133 --> 01:40:37,033
And each time they tried the

2700
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:39,133
case, the case got smaller, and

2701
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,166
more defined and more focused.

2702
01:40:42,233 --> 01:40:43,600
And even with the third trial,

2703
01:40:43,667 --> 01:40:46,467
they really flailed, because the

2704
01:40:46,533 --> 01:40:48,367
jurors were out for almost 12,

2705
01:40:48,433 --> 01:40:49,867
13 days.

2706
01:40:49,934 --> 01:40:51,133
So, it looked like it was gonna

2707
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:52,433
be another hung jury.

2708
01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:53,700
>> The jury went out for

2709
01:40:53,767 --> 01:40:55,133
deliberations and there was one

2710
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:57,133
juror who refused to deliberate.

2711
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:58,633
She just refused.

2712
01:40:58,700 --> 01:41:00,533
So, the judge had to excuse that

2713
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:01,834
juror.

2714
01:41:01,900 --> 01:41:04,834
>> Within 24 hours, an alternate

2715
01:41:04,900 --> 01:41:06,333
was brought in and he joined the

2716
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:10,734
other 11 and convicted five of

2717
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:12,934
the six.

2718
01:41:13,033 --> 01:41:15,200
A sixth defendant was found not

2719
01:41:15,266 --> 01:41:16,333
guilty.

2720
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:17,533
>> After the verdict was read,

2721
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,033
the one Liberty Six member who

2722
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:20,233
was acquitted called the

2723
01:41:20,300 --> 01:41:21,500
prosecution of his friends

2724
01:41:21,567 --> 01:41:23,133
"bogus."

2725
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,033
>> You had no intention of doing

2726
01:41:24,100 --> 01:41:24,967
any of the things that you

2727
01:41:25,033 --> 01:41:25,834
talked about?

2728
01:41:25,900 --> 01:41:26,834
>> It was all a whole bunch of

2729
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:28,500
hogwash from the beginning.

2730
01:41:28,567 --> 01:41:29,567
>> You weren't serious about any

2731
01:41:29,633 --> 01:41:30,400
of it?

2732
01:41:30,467 --> 01:41:31,266
>> Nobody was serious about

2733
01:41:31,333 --> 01:41:32,100
nothing.

2734
01:41:32,166 --> 01:41:32,967
It's not real.

2735
01:41:33,033 --> 01:41:34,633
>> Give us a little space,

2736
01:41:34,700 --> 01:41:35,500
please.

2737
01:41:35,567 --> 01:41:38,266
♪ ♪

2738
01:41:38,333 --> 01:41:39,333
>> It took three years and three

2739
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,000
trials, but a group of Florida

2740
01:41:41,066 --> 01:41:42,800
men accused in a plot to destroy

2741
01:41:42,867 --> 01:41:45,000
Chicago's Sears Tower are each

2742
01:41:45,066 --> 01:41:48,333
facing decades in prison.

2743
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:53,367
♪ ♪

2744
01:42:00,033 --> 01:42:00,734
>> I felt like I got hit in the

2745
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:04,567
head with an 80-ton concrete

2746
01:42:04,633 --> 01:42:09,367
ball or something.

2747
01:42:09,433 --> 01:42:11,633
Or knocked out.

2748
01:42:14,900 --> 01:42:18,533
I cried.

2749
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,066
Thought my life was over.

2750
01:42:25,133 --> 01:42:28,100
All based on what I said.

2751
01:42:28,166 --> 01:42:30,100
>> A certain part of me just

2752
01:42:30,166 --> 01:42:32,133
died there.

2753
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:34,133
And now, I was left with four

2754
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,800
young children to raise without

2755
01:42:35,867 --> 01:42:38,166
no other family, no other help.

2756
01:42:38,233 --> 01:42:40,500
But just me and them.

2757
01:42:40,567 --> 01:42:41,767
You're taking this innocent man

2758
01:42:41,834 --> 01:42:43,233
away from his-- and all the

2759
01:42:43,300 --> 01:42:44,500
rest of these young men-- away

2760
01:42:44,567 --> 01:42:47,000
from their families, without no

2761
01:42:47,066 --> 01:42:48,467
evidence.

2762
01:42:48,533 --> 01:42:49,633
I can't be living this.

2763
01:42:49,700 --> 01:42:50,667
I can't.

2764
01:42:50,734 --> 01:42:53,433
I can't be living this.

2765
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:59,266
♪ ♪

2766
01:42:59,333 --> 01:43:01,300
>> I have a responsibility to

2767
01:43:01,367 --> 01:43:04,467
the people that I, I work for,

2768
01:43:04,533 --> 01:43:05,667
which are the citizens of the

2769
01:43:05,734 --> 01:43:07,633
United States, to, to go where

2770
01:43:07,700 --> 01:43:10,066
the facts and evidence leads.

2771
01:43:10,133 --> 01:43:11,133
I've looked at this a thousand

2772
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:12,500
ways to Sunday.

2773
01:43:12,567 --> 01:43:15,567
I wish I could say, "Look, this

2774
01:43:15,633 --> 01:43:16,767
is what happened, and, and this

2775
01:43:16,834 --> 01:43:18,133
is how..."

2776
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:19,433
I, I just can't...

2777
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:21,066
I can't get myself there.

2778
01:43:21,133 --> 01:43:24,467
They did what they were

2779
01:43:24,533 --> 01:43:26,800
convicted of.

2780
01:43:26,867 --> 01:43:28,600
♪ ♪

2781
01:43:28,667 --> 01:43:29,734
>> The problem was, there were a

2782
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:30,934
lot of sensitive issues in this

2783
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:31,867
case.

2784
01:43:31,934 --> 01:43:32,967
For instance, we got them a

2785
01:43:33,033 --> 01:43:34,033
warehouse where we had cameras

2786
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:36,567
and, and they had a meeting, and

2787
01:43:36,633 --> 01:43:38,700
they swore the oath to Al-Qaeda.

2788
01:43:38,767 --> 01:43:40,433
But we could have delivered them

2789
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:42,300
a, a load of arms and munitions;

2790
01:43:42,367 --> 01:43:43,900
made the arms and munitions

2791
01:43:43,967 --> 01:43:46,133
inoperable, but delivered them.

2792
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:47,300
Once they accepted that, we

2793
01:43:47,367 --> 01:43:48,600
could have taken them down with

2794
01:43:48,667 --> 01:43:50,400
the, the munitions in their hand

2795
01:43:50,467 --> 01:43:51,834
and I think that would have been

2796
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:56,100
far, far more effective.

2797
01:43:56,166 --> 01:43:57,667
But at that time, the bureau was

2798
01:43:57,734 --> 01:44:00,100
so nervous about providing

2799
01:44:00,166 --> 01:44:01,633
potential terrorists with

2800
01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:03,467
weaponry that they just flat-

2801
01:44:03,533 --> 01:44:04,567
out said, "No, you can't do

2802
01:44:04,633 --> 01:44:05,867
that."

2803
01:44:05,934 --> 01:44:07,033
>> Al-Qaeda didn't know any of

2804
01:44:07,100 --> 01:44:08,967
these individuals.

2805
01:44:09,033 --> 01:44:10,667
They didn't have anybody who

2806
01:44:10,734 --> 01:44:12,734
could have done a full ground

2807
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,467
war in the United States or,

2808
01:44:14,533 --> 01:44:16,433
uh, taken down the Sears Tower.

2809
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:18,266
But many Americans believe they

2810
01:44:18,333 --> 01:44:20,000
did because the FBI manufactured

2811
01:44:20,066 --> 01:44:21,400
this plot.

2812
01:44:21,467 --> 01:44:22,433
I was hoping that they would

2813
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:23,867
learn that this case was an

2814
01:44:23,934 --> 01:44:25,367
overreach, they had gone too

2815
01:44:25,433 --> 01:44:27,266
far, and perhaps undermined

2816
01:44:27,333 --> 01:44:28,767
public trust in the

2817
01:44:28,834 --> 01:44:30,066
counterterrorism tactics that

2818
01:44:30,133 --> 01:44:31,333
they were using.

2819
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:32,567
But they seem to have taken the

2820
01:44:32,633 --> 01:44:33,900
opposite lesson.

2821
01:44:33,967 --> 01:44:35,800
And what you see in the sting

2822
01:44:35,867 --> 01:44:37,834
operations after Liberty City

2823
01:44:37,900 --> 01:44:39,567
Seven is an effort to

2824
01:44:39,633 --> 01:44:42,500
sensationalize the cases even

2825
01:44:42,567 --> 01:44:44,934
further, to where they will

2826
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:48,734
go to the extent of actually

2827
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,100
providing significant weaponry

2828
01:44:51,166 --> 01:44:53,266
to these groups.

2829
01:44:53,333 --> 01:44:54,467
>> ...yesterday during an FBI

2830
01:44:54,533 --> 01:44:55,800
sting operation.

2831
01:44:55,867 --> 01:44:56,667
He's a U.S. citizen...

2832
01:44:56,734 --> 01:44:57,734
>> Demetrius Pitts faces charges

2833
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:58,900
after he communicated with an

2834
01:44:58,967 --> 01:45:00,200
undercover agent.

2835
01:45:00,266 --> 01:45:01,300
>> He believed that the FBI

2836
01:45:01,367 --> 01:45:02,700
planted this bombing plot...

2837
01:45:02,767 --> 01:45:03,767
>> ...undercover agents who said

2838
01:45:03,834 --> 01:45:04,734
they could help him bomb the

2839
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:05,734
mall...

2840
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:07,300
>> They set this kid up.

2841
01:45:07,367 --> 01:45:08,300
>> If you lay out sting

2842
01:45:08,367 --> 01:45:09,533
operations on a chart, you know,

2843
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,500
what you see is this enormous

2844
01:45:11,567 --> 01:45:14,233
uptick after 2009.

2845
01:45:14,300 --> 01:45:15,266
I think it's just further

2846
01:45:15,333 --> 01:45:16,967
emboldened the FBI and the

2847
01:45:17,033 --> 01:45:18,100
Department of Justice in its

2848
01:45:18,166 --> 01:45:19,400
use of these types of sting

2849
01:45:19,467 --> 01:45:20,767
operations, knowing that

2850
01:45:20,834 --> 01:45:23,000
essentially, if they can convict

2851
01:45:23,066 --> 01:45:24,700
these guys in Miami, you know,

2852
01:45:24,767 --> 01:45:25,834
they can convict just about

2853
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:26,667
anybody.

2854
01:45:26,734 --> 01:45:29,133
♪ ♪

2855
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:30,166
>> The Liberty City/Sears Tower

2856
01:45:30,233 --> 01:45:31,800
case was significant in the

2857
01:45:31,867 --> 01:45:33,633
sense of taking people with bad

2858
01:45:33,700 --> 01:45:35,533
motives, bad intent, off the

2859
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,000
street, holding them

2860
01:45:37,066 --> 01:45:38,734
accountable, and then serving as

2861
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:39,900
a deterrent to other potential

2862
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:40,867
terrorists.

2863
01:45:40,934 --> 01:45:42,066
>> Were these terrorists in a

2864
01:45:42,133 --> 01:45:43,700
real sense?

2865
01:45:43,767 --> 01:45:46,600
>> My personal opinion was no,

2866
01:45:46,667 --> 01:45:48,934
because-- and that's why I

2867
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:50,000
describe them as aspirational

2868
01:45:50,066 --> 01:45:51,100
rather than operational--

2869
01:45:51,166 --> 01:45:52,400
because I didn't believe they,

2870
01:45:52,467 --> 01:45:55,200
they could do something based on

2871
01:45:55,266 --> 01:45:57,867
what I had seen.

2872
01:45:57,934 --> 01:45:59,166
>> I'm not gonna hype these

2873
01:45:59,233 --> 01:46:01,467
cases to be something that

2874
01:46:01,533 --> 01:46:02,667
they're not.

2875
01:46:02,734 --> 01:46:03,600
But they're very important,

2876
01:46:03,667 --> 01:46:06,967
because if, if we can't do 'em,

2877
01:46:07,033 --> 01:46:08,233
it's gonna be hard to stop

2878
01:46:08,300 --> 01:46:10,467
terrorists.

2879
01:46:10,533 --> 01:46:12,567
The Liberty City case was one of

2880
01:46:12,633 --> 01:46:14,100
the cases that we would use in

2881
01:46:14,166 --> 01:46:15,567
training: okay, this is a

2882
01:46:15,633 --> 01:46:17,066
cautionary tale.

2883
01:46:17,133 --> 01:46:18,700
You know, be careful as to how

2884
01:46:18,767 --> 01:46:21,066
far your, your undercover agents

2885
01:46:21,133 --> 01:46:22,700
or your informants push.

2886
01:46:22,767 --> 01:46:24,266
And when you do arrest, you

2887
01:46:24,333 --> 01:46:25,734
know, don't overstate what,

2888
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,100
what you've got.

2889
01:46:29,166 --> 01:46:30,967
The goal is not to take somebody

2890
01:46:31,033 --> 01:46:32,266
that is not a terrorist and make

2891
01:46:32,333 --> 01:46:33,500
them a terrorist.

2892
01:46:33,567 --> 01:46:38,200
They weren't really the, the

2893
01:46:38,266 --> 01:46:39,600
terrorists that we were seeking

2894
01:46:39,667 --> 01:46:41,400
out.

2895
01:46:41,467 --> 01:46:46,066
♪ ♪

2896
01:46:46,133 --> 01:46:47,834
>> This is my job.

2897
01:46:47,900 --> 01:46:49,633
I was hired as a supervisor,

2898
01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:50,800
underneath the project manager,

2899
01:46:50,867 --> 01:46:52,834
to run the job site with

2900
01:46:52,900 --> 01:46:56,767
small contractors.

2901
01:46:56,834 --> 01:46:59,834
This is excellent, uh, it's...

2902
01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:01,233
It might not be as, as good as

2903
01:47:01,300 --> 01:47:02,533
me subcontracting things on my

2904
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,767
own, and making more money in a,

2905
01:47:04,834 --> 01:47:07,367
in a momentous type of way.

2906
01:47:07,433 --> 01:47:08,367
But it's a steady income, I'm on

2907
01:47:08,433 --> 01:47:09,900
salary pay.

2908
01:47:09,967 --> 01:47:12,166
And I'm, I'm just happy.

2909
01:47:12,233 --> 01:47:16,433
♪ ♪

2910
01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:18,300
>> Did you ever imagine that you

2911
01:47:18,367 --> 01:47:20,200
were being recorded?

2912
01:47:20,266 --> 01:47:21,266
>> Yes.

2913
01:47:21,333 --> 01:47:23,266
>> You did?

2914
01:47:26,233 --> 01:47:27,667
You knew that you were being

2915
01:47:27,734 --> 01:47:28,633
videoed?

2916
01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:29,900
>> Yes.

2917
01:47:29,967 --> 01:47:31,100
It was, it was clear.

2918
01:47:31,166 --> 01:47:33,433
>> Did you see where the video

2919
01:47:33,500 --> 01:47:34,600
cameras were?

2920
01:47:34,667 --> 01:47:38,000
>> No, they were hidden cameras.

2921
01:47:42,533 --> 01:47:43,533
>> Did you tell the brothers

2922
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:44,900
that you thought your meetings

2923
01:47:44,967 --> 01:47:47,200
with Assaad might have been

2924
01:47:47,266 --> 01:47:49,767
recorded by law enforcement?

2925
01:47:49,834 --> 01:47:51,867
>> Yes.

2926
01:47:51,934 --> 01:47:58,500
♪ ♪

2927
01:47:58,567 --> 01:47:59,734
>> I still don't really

2928
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:00,533
understand how you thought you

2929
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:01,900
could get away with it even if

2930
01:48:01,967 --> 01:48:03,700
you got the money.

2931
01:48:03,767 --> 01:48:05,000
>> Yeah, I didn't seem...

2932
01:48:05,066 --> 01:48:05,800
I didn't really...

2933
01:48:05,867 --> 01:48:06,734
At the end of the day, I

2934
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:07,600
thought about it and said, "I

2935
01:48:07,667 --> 01:48:08,467
probably won't get away with it,

2936
01:48:08,533 --> 01:48:09,700
but I'll just spend some of it,

2937
01:48:09,767 --> 01:48:10,900
and if they caught me, 'Hey,

2938
01:48:10,967 --> 01:48:11,967
I'm sorry I took the money.

2939
01:48:12,033 --> 01:48:13,000
Can I give it back?

2940
01:48:13,066 --> 01:48:14,000
I spent some of it.'"

2941
01:48:14,066 --> 01:48:15,433
That's what I thought I could

2942
01:48:15,500 --> 01:48:17,166
use as an excuse.

2943
01:48:17,233 --> 01:48:20,600
♪ ♪

2944
01:48:20,667 --> 01:48:21,867
>> I wonder if he's trying to

2945
01:48:21,934 --> 01:48:24,700
save face.

2946
01:48:24,767 --> 01:48:26,333
Because he realized how stupid

2947
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:27,533
he was.

2948
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,200
Everybody makes mistakes, but

2949
01:48:30,266 --> 01:48:31,433
not everybody's mistakes is

2950
01:48:31,500 --> 01:48:32,500
recorded for the world to see

2951
01:48:32,567 --> 01:48:35,166
over and over and over again.

2952
01:48:35,233 --> 01:48:36,433
His is.

2953
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:37,567
So that was his best answer is

2954
01:48:37,633 --> 01:48:38,967
trying to say, "Aw, yeah, I'm

2955
01:48:39,033 --> 01:48:39,967
smart."

2956
01:48:40,033 --> 01:48:41,934
Nah, you was just that dumb.

2957
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,600
That's all that was.

2958
01:48:44,667 --> 01:48:45,700
That's all that was.

2959
01:48:45,767 --> 01:48:46,700
>> He didn't know?

2960
01:48:46,767 --> 01:48:48,000
>> He didn't know.

2961
01:48:48,066 --> 01:48:48,967
He didn't know.

2962
01:48:49,033 --> 01:48:55,734
♪ ♪

2963
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:57,333
>> Finance was becoming a

2964
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:59,367
problem because of my case.

2965
01:48:59,433 --> 01:49:00,367
So it was hard to find

2966
01:49:00,433 --> 01:49:02,600
employment or anything else.

2967
01:49:02,667 --> 01:49:04,767
So, when I did find employment,

2968
01:49:04,834 --> 01:49:06,734
it was, like, a bull(bleep) ass

2969
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,433
job.

2970
01:49:08,500 --> 01:49:10,367
And I said, "I'mma take this

2971
01:49:10,433 --> 01:49:11,533
job, or take this check, and

2972
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:13,033
I'mma mix this through what I

2973
01:49:13,100 --> 01:49:14,700
know best."

2974
01:49:14,767 --> 01:49:15,734
Which is go back to the street

2975
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:16,767
and go back to the hustling

2976
01:49:16,834 --> 01:49:17,834
game, to the cocaine or

2977
01:49:17,900 --> 01:49:19,800
whatever, and just mix and

2978
01:49:19,867 --> 01:49:20,967
mingle with the people I know.

2979
01:49:21,033 --> 01:49:22,000
They're so concerned with

2980
01:49:22,066 --> 01:49:24,633
terrorist, uh, watch, I was

2981
01:49:24,700 --> 01:49:25,800
selling dope under their eyes

2982
01:49:25,867 --> 01:49:26,967
the whole time, and I was on

2983
01:49:27,033 --> 01:49:28,233
federal probation.

2984
01:49:28,300 --> 01:49:29,500
So they couldn't be that

2985
01:49:29,567 --> 01:49:30,900
concerned with me.

2986
01:49:30,967 --> 01:49:33,166
They couldn't have.

2987
01:49:33,233 --> 01:49:35,700
I made money.

2988
01:49:35,767 --> 01:49:39,400
♪ ♪

2989
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:50,734
>> In terms of Batiste, nah, I

2990
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:52,000
wanted to strangle the guy, man,

2991
01:49:52,066 --> 01:49:53,133
because I felt like, you don't

2992
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:54,533
listen.

2993
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:56,133
You got caught up in yourself,

2994
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:57,667
and now this is what this come

2995
01:49:57,734 --> 01:49:59,166
down.

2996
01:49:59,233 --> 01:50:00,367
And this is not just something

2997
01:50:00,433 --> 01:50:02,100
that affect us immediately.

2998
01:50:02,166 --> 01:50:03,900
It affect all, every last one of

2999
01:50:03,967 --> 01:50:05,667
our families.

3000
01:50:05,734 --> 01:50:07,367
Of course I wanted to strangle

3001
01:50:07,433 --> 01:50:09,600
his ass.

3002
01:50:09,667 --> 01:50:14,633
♪ ♪

3003
01:50:24,667 --> 01:50:29,633
♪ ♪

3004
01:50:32,166 --> 01:50:33,300
>> I lose part of me.

3005
01:50:33,367 --> 01:50:38,700
I lost everything I was.

3006
01:50:38,767 --> 01:50:40,300
My whole 30s was spent in

3007
01:50:40,367 --> 01:50:42,333
prison.

3008
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:43,467
In your 30s, that's when you buy

3009
01:50:43,533 --> 01:50:45,567
a house, you know what I mean?

3010
01:50:45,633 --> 01:50:48,033
You start to be financially

3011
01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:50,033
sound, you know?

3012
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:51,934
Having kids, you know-- I spent

3013
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,533
all that time in prison.

3014
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:56,333
So, I'm out right now, I don't

3015
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,767
got no kids.

3016
01:50:58,834 --> 01:51:04,033
No, no wife, no girlfriend...

3017
01:51:04,100 --> 01:51:05,400
No real job.

3018
01:51:05,467 --> 01:51:10,233
(laughing)

3019
01:51:10,300 --> 01:51:12,166
Oh, man!

3020
01:51:12,233 --> 01:51:15,200
(whistles)

3021
01:51:15,633 --> 01:51:20,667
♪ ♪