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>> What time is it?

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>> 6:48.

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I think he's just gonna be so

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happy to be a free man.

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So happy to see his children.

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>> Oh, man.

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Damn, boy...

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(indistinct)

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>> 13 years ago, my face was

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all over the news media.

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The FBI told me I was on "Larry

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King Live" the day I was

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arrested.

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All right, let me get one more

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hug from everybody.

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Now, I'm just the average person

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walking down the street.

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>> This what took place

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because of bad choices of words

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that he made.

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And that's all he ever did was

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say... speak, talk.

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Nonsense.

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>> Batiste intended to recruit

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and supervise individuals to

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organize and train for a mission

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of war against the United

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States.

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>> Narseal, he had good

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intentions, but he is also a

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good conman.

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And when the two run afoul,

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this is what you get-- mayhem.

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>> Federal authorities described

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the group as radical Black

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Muslims.

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>> Their goal was simple: to

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commit attacks against America.

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>> Just like the gang that

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couldn't shoot straight, they

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got convicted on not what they

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were able to do, but what they

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>> Six to eight people are now

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in federal custody after

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allegedly plotting to attack

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well-known U.S. cities.

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>> The federal government is

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calling this bust a major

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victory on the domestic front in

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this shadowy war.

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>> Next to being a pedophile, a

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terrorist is the next-worst

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thing you can be.

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>> Narseal Batiste claimed his

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soldiers would, quote, "Kill all

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the devils we can."

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>> An FBI informant promised

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them $50,000 if they pledged

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allegiance to Al-Qaeda.

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>> Federal Bureau of

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Investigation, they invented

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the players, they invented the

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theme, they invented how it was

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gonna go down-- they, they

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wrote this script.

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>> They conducted surveillance,

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they conspired to murder

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countless Americans through

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attacks that would be in their

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words "just as good or

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greater than 9/11."

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>> It can be just as good or

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greater than 9/11.

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>> This is not the case that

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they want America to see.

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serious terrorists out there

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that America needs to be

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concentrating on.

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This right here was just a...

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lazy and sorry as this crew was,

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then we can convict anybody."

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>> In 2005, I was the acting

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the FBI in Miami.

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The domestic Al-Qaeda squad.

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I was born in the Bronx, my

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brother and I.

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that period in American history.

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He was involved in a credit card

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for, uh, narcotics.

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you're always looking for an

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angle because everybody has a

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hustle.

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So I graduate high school.

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military, went to school at

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night, and then I put in an

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application with the FBI.

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FBI calls nine months later and

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I end up at Quantico.

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Got out in '92, ended up in

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Miami, and you wake up and ten

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On September 10, if we would

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events that happened on

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September 11, we all would have

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left that movie theater and

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said, "That is a phenomenal

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movie, but it could never happen

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in the United States."

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weapons, they used box cutters

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and, and complacency.

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We got sucker-punched.

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>> On September the 11th,

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enemies of freedom committed an

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act of war against our country.

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The evidence we have gathered

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all points to a collection of

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loosely affiliated terrorist

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organizations known as Al-Qaeda.

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>> Director Robert Mueller had

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been the director of the FBI for

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one week prior to 9/11.

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Within a minute of telling the

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president, vice president, and

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others, uh, about the 19

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hijackers that we'd already

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learned about and everything,

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President Bush cut him off and

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said, "That's all well and, and

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good, Mr. Director, but I wanna

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know what the FBI is doing to

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prevent the next attack."

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Director Mueller's job was then

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to take that mission, to take

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the FBI from that reactive

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crime-solving agency to a

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preventative national security

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>> Mr. Pistole, with respect to

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preventing 9/11, obviously, you

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get a failing grade.

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FBI immediately after 9/11 is

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that there were other either

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sleeper cells or there were

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other terrorist operatives in

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positioned to commit a second

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about the FBI's history was the

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ability to identify and develop

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cooperating witnesses and

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attacks, potential attacks.

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of these has to be shaken out.

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and he says, "Look, I have some

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informant that there's a group

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This was, you know, like a

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was Narseal Batiste.

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what his motive is.

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>> I wanted to be an actor.

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I went to modeling school.

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Shaolin Temple, kung fu master

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movies, you know?

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>> Narseal was the baby, he was

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a cane, and his name was

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G-G-G something 'thena.

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33-something of the

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76-something, that he's Jesus.

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I said, "No, my brother is not

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Jesus."

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Then the next thing I know, my

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brother start changing.

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He start wearing diapers on his

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head and carrying a staff.

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>> Well, I created my own style

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of religion.

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You know what I mean?

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My, my robes and what I wore was

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very unique.

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Nobody else on the street wore

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what I wore.

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My style had something like, um,

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much more of a martial arts-

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Egyptian type of mixture

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outfit.

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I wore a lot of velvets and

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Indian cotton.

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Sage rope.

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A staff in my hand or a rod.

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That's what I looked like.

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An ancient type of holy man,

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looked like I stepped out of the

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Bible.

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>> Naz, beautiful brother.

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Beautiful brother.

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You see, like, he fell out of

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Heaven.

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You know, he had that innocent

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quality to him.

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>> And we choose...

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>> (translating to Haitian

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Creole)

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>> To worship almighty God...

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>> (translating)

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>> On this day...

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>> (translating)

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>> You are trusting in God.

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>> (translating)

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>> I've come here to tell you

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today.

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>> I was born in the United

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States, but my mom and dad from

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Haiti.

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17, 18, I got baptized.

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And when I got baptized, I was

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feeling it, you know.

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It was just something on me, I

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was feeling it.

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And by that time in my life, I

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knew things wasn't fair.

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>> And have power and

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authority...

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>> When we talk about leaders

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and who we look up to, you

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know, we looked up to Naz.

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'Cause Naz knew the Bible, he

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spoke it, and he really was

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about it.

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>> As a prophet of God.

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>> He grew up, you know, real

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close to God.

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So, we always was searching.

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So, when he smiled, you know, it

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was something that he had that

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was almost innocent.

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You know, he ain't, he wasn't

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spoil, spoiled like the rest of

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us.

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♪ ♪

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Naz was perfect.

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There was no street in him at

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all.

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>> I was, like, 19, 18.

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I was the youngest one out of

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everybody, and I, I was still

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going to night school trying to

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graduate-- a high school

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diploma.

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Naz was a Black activist.

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Wanting to help out the

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community.

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(shutter clicks)

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That's what you got off the top.

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(shutter clicks)

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He was really...

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(shutter clicks)

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...savvy when it came to the

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Bible.

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Decoding it or making the Bible

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in, in laymen's term, making it

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so, the point where I could

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understand it.

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He asked me to read a passage or

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something, he realized I

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couldn't read.

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And then he was, like, "Okay,

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it's all right, you can stop

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right there," and...

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Pulled me to the side later,

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he was, like, "Um, how

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old are you?"

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I was, like, "I'm, like, I'm

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19."

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He's, like, "You really should

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work on that, learning how to

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read."

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And I was, like, "Yeah, I know."

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He's, like, "If you want, I

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could help you sometimes."

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And I said, "Okay, cool."

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(shutter clicks)

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I done introduced Naz to Naudy.

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I done introduced Naz to my

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brother.

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Pat knew Sunny.

404
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Sunny brought Levi.

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>> Eventually, they did become

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my followers, they joined the

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temple, and they agreed to give

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me the, um, the head position

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as the, uh, the high priest of

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the temple.

411
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The actual temple was right

412
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across the street from a

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projects that they call the Pork

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and Beans projects.

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There's a lot of gun selling,

416
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drug dealing, and a lot of

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violence that goes on.

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And, um, drive-by shootings.

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>> So we rent the warehouse.

420
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But it was supposed to be a

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temple.

422
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A temple.

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We had Bibles, we had Quran,

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we had certain books, the Hare

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Krishna, we had certain books,

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'cause...

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It was, everybody was welcome

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to our table-- that was the

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whole one thing about why we

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called it the temple.

431
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Because what's in a temple, is

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where you actually get in your

433
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temple and pray.

434
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>> We wasn't Muslims.

435
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But we had to understand the

436
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religions of the world and how

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they related to the people that

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we going to talk to.

439
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So, 99%, we studied the Bible.

440
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>> The temple was called Moorish

441
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Science Temple of America and

442
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Universal Divine Saviors.

443
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>> It sounded cool.

444
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Naz said, "The whole reason I

445
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came to Miami was to make all

446
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of you guys Moorish, Moorish

447
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Americans."

448
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I'm, like, "Moorish Americans?"

449
00:14:23.834 --> 00:14:25.433
>> You may not have heard of the

450
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Moorish Nationals.

451
00:14:26.734 --> 00:14:28.133
It comes from a Black religious

452
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group that's been around for

453
00:14:29.300 --> 00:14:30.500
nearly a century.

454
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Most of its members obey the

455
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law, but not everyone.

456
00:14:33.800 --> 00:14:34.800
>> This man was arrested by

457
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police in Fayetteville, North

458
00:14:36.433 --> 00:14:37.533
Carolina.

459
00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:38.800
But his wife claims the arrest

460
00:14:38.867 --> 00:14:40.400
was illegal because he is a

461
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member of the Moorish Nation.

462
00:14:42.734 --> 00:14:44.100
>> He has diplomatic immunity.

463
00:14:44.166 --> 00:14:45.133
Why are y'all doing this?

464
00:14:45.767 --> 00:14:46.867
>> He was telling me, um, the

465
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Moorish Science Temple is,

466
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like, indigenous people to

467
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America and we have sovereign

468
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rights.

469
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And I didn't understand what

470
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none of that (bleep) was.

471
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I was, like, "What the (bleep)

472
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is sovereign rights?"

473
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>> What snatch you up is when

474
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they tell you you didn't

475
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come over here just on no slave

476
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ship.

477
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And the Moorish Science Temple,

478
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it mixed Christianity, Judaism,

479
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and Islamism all in one.

480
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They are geared to help the

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Black community.

482
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>> So we sitting down just

483
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building on the Bible and

484
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talking about making a great

485
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change, you know, and can we

486
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do it, can we actually, you

487
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know, change not just our

488
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condition, but the condition of

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our moms and dads and cousins

490
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and community?

491
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>> You know, you can't come into

492
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the community if you ain't no

493
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strong man.

494
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So, we came across, like, "Yo,

495
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we are soldiers."

496
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You know, "We soldiers for God."

497
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♪ ♪

498
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>> They had uniforms that they

499
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would wear, paramilitary

500
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uniforms.

501
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Khaki-type shirt and they would

502
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wear the same type of pants.

503
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This is the Moorish star, you

504
00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:34.266
know, for the religion.

505
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And then of course, them living

506
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in America, they have the

507
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American flag.

508
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And what was so ironic about

509
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this whole thing is that the

510
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government tried to paint them

511
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as that they were un-American.

512
00:16:45.800 --> 00:16:46.767
>> You know, we brought in

513
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experts to tell us, "Hey,

514
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what...

515
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Which, uh, what flavor of

516
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Kool-Aid is this, 'cause we

517
00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:53.834
haven't seen this before?"

518
00:16:56.300 --> 00:16:58.433
Something is not making sense.

519
00:16:58.500 --> 00:17:00.734
You had a group of guys that

520
00:17:00.800 --> 00:17:02.600
were in Liberty City that

521
00:17:02.667 --> 00:17:04.200
wanted to meet somebody from

522
00:17:04.266 --> 00:17:05.467
Al-Qaeda.

523
00:17:05.533 --> 00:17:06.967
Everything had to be followed

524
00:17:07.033 --> 00:17:08.166
up.

525
00:17:08.233 --> 00:17:10.300
Because some of the things that

526
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fell through the gap that

527
00:17:12.567 --> 00:17:14.567
allowed 9/11 to happen, we

528
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could not allow for anything

529
00:17:17.266 --> 00:17:18.600
like that to fall through a gap

530
00:17:18.667 --> 00:17:20.700
again.

531
00:17:23.500 --> 00:17:24.934
I had never heard of the

532
00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.133
informant, Abbas Al-Saidi.

533
00:17:32.233 --> 00:17:33.367
Abbas had worked at a

534
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convenience store, you know,

535
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in a medium- to low-income

536
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neighborhood.

537
00:17:41.166 --> 00:17:42.133
>> He started out as a snitch

538
00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:44.333
initially for drugs.

539
00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:45.133
New York City has its own

540
00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.433
intelligence unit, which was

541
00:17:48.500 --> 00:17:52.100
focused on terrorism after 9/11.

542
00:17:52.166 --> 00:17:54.467
They found this young guy from

543
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Yemen who's pretty street-smart

544
00:17:56.834 --> 00:17:59.166
to be somebody that they could

545
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use in their investigation in

546
00:18:01.333 --> 00:18:03.333
New York.

547
00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:04.600
At some point in time, there

548
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became a threat that they

549
00:18:06.100 --> 00:18:07.500
considered to be a threat

550
00:18:07.567 --> 00:18:08.767
against him.

551
00:18:08.834 --> 00:18:09.834
They encouraged him to move out

552
00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:11.200
of New York City.

553
00:18:11.266 --> 00:18:12.767
And, and ultimately, he, he

554
00:18:12.834 --> 00:18:15.000
moved down to Miami.

555
00:18:15.066 --> 00:18:16.433
>> I was 18 years old at this

556
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time, going on 19.

557
00:18:18.467 --> 00:18:21.200
I just kind of was in love

558
00:18:21.266 --> 00:18:23.467
with him and did what he... told

559
00:18:23.533 --> 00:18:24.734
me to do.

560
00:18:24.800 --> 00:18:25.900
And I trusted him.

561
00:18:25.967 --> 00:18:27.233
And that was one of my biggest

562
00:18:27.300 --> 00:18:29.433
mistakes.

563
00:18:29.500 --> 00:18:31.033
We had three dollars between

564
00:18:31.100 --> 00:18:33.266
the both of us and we got into

565
00:18:33.333 --> 00:18:35.467
a really physical argument.

566
00:18:35.533 --> 00:18:37.200
>> He beats the crap out of

567
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Stefanie one day.

568
00:18:38.667 --> 00:18:40.467
Uh, ends up in jail.

569
00:18:40.533 --> 00:18:42.367
>> I had bite marks on my neck,

570
00:18:42.433 --> 00:18:44.066
bruises on my face.

571
00:18:44.133 --> 00:18:46.033
Even though it was his first

572
00:18:46.100 --> 00:18:48.133
domestic violence, he went to

573
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jail for a couple of months.

574
00:18:50.367 --> 00:18:51.734
He kept calling the connections

575
00:18:51.800 --> 00:18:52.900
that he had in New York.

576
00:18:52.967 --> 00:18:53.867
>> He reaches out to the

577
00:18:53.934 --> 00:18:55.700
lieutenant in New York, "Hey,

578
00:18:55.767 --> 00:18:56.900
can you help me out, I'm in

579
00:18:56.967 --> 00:18:57.834
jail," yadda yadda, tells him

580
00:18:57.900 --> 00:18:59.000
the story.

581
00:18:59.066 --> 00:19:00.166
The guy says, "Look, I can

582
00:19:00.233 --> 00:19:01.233
maybe, you know, reach out to

583
00:19:01.300 --> 00:19:02.734
the FBI and see if they might

584
00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:03.967
have an interest," and an

585
00:19:04.033 --> 00:19:05.133
agent comes and visits him in

586
00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:06.633
jail.

587
00:19:06.700 --> 00:19:08.133
>> He told me that when he came

588
00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.667
out of jail, that the FBI was

589
00:19:10.734 --> 00:19:12.900
waiting there to go to work.

590
00:19:12.967 --> 00:19:14.834
He found the brothers and that's

591
00:19:14.900 --> 00:19:17.633
all he needed to do the job.

592
00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:20.000
>> I used to go to the corner

593
00:19:20.066 --> 00:19:21.333
store and see him all the time.

594
00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:22.734
And he was extra-friendly.

595
00:19:22.800 --> 00:19:24.633
He would try to act Black so

596
00:19:24.700 --> 00:19:25.633
much.

597
00:19:25.700 --> 00:19:26.700
Smoking weed in the (bleep)

598
00:19:26.767 --> 00:19:28.967
store, blasting Tupac.

599
00:19:29.033 --> 00:19:30.867
And I'm, like, damn.

600
00:19:30.934 --> 00:19:33.233
I was, like, this dude is wild.

601
00:19:33.300 --> 00:19:35.000
He was, like, "What's up?"

602
00:19:35.066 --> 00:19:36.333
I was, like, "Man, what's up?"

603
00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:37.133
I used to go over to the store

604
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:38.367
all the time buying 'gars and

605
00:19:38.433 --> 00:19:39.633
(bleep) to smoke.

606
00:19:39.700 --> 00:19:40.934
>> The weed that he had, the

607
00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:42.567
marijuana he had, was great

608
00:19:42.633 --> 00:19:44.600
substance and it was the kind of

609
00:19:44.667 --> 00:19:45.667
substance that I really enjoyed,

610
00:19:45.734 --> 00:19:47.500
so my friend that worked there

611
00:19:47.567 --> 00:19:48.734
would get it for me.

612
00:19:48.800 --> 00:19:50.333
>> One day he see me with Naz,

613
00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.033
he, like, "Oh, you know the

614
00:19:52.100 --> 00:19:53.200
brother!"

615
00:19:53.266 --> 00:19:54.266
And he switched it up, now he's,

616
00:19:54.333 --> 00:19:55.900
like, all Muslim and he's, like,

617
00:19:55.967 --> 00:19:57.700
"Yes, brother"-- he's not even

618
00:19:57.767 --> 00:19:59.133
using it, he's not smoking, he's

619
00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:00.100
not using the N word, he's not

620
00:20:00.166 --> 00:20:02.967
cussing, he's all Muslim now.

621
00:20:03.033 --> 00:20:04.400
(laughs): He's a Muslim now.

622
00:20:04.467 --> 00:20:05.767
I'm, like, "What happened?"

623
00:20:05.834 --> 00:20:06.834
>> He seemed very religious but

624
00:20:06.900 --> 00:20:08.233
he seemed very street.

625
00:20:08.300 --> 00:20:10.533
Like, street hustler.

626
00:20:10.600 --> 00:20:12.633
So, that's why I related to him

627
00:20:12.700 --> 00:20:14.166
in a sense, because he had

628
00:20:14.233 --> 00:20:16.633
game, he had a street vibe.

629
00:20:21.867 --> 00:20:23.834
>> One day, his cousin comes

630
00:20:23.900 --> 00:20:26.000
down, he, like, "Man, y'all

631
00:20:26.066 --> 00:20:27.500
don't wanna mess with Abbas,

632
00:20:27.567 --> 00:20:29.867
man," and then, we couldn't get

633
00:20:29.934 --> 00:20:31.200
it, 'cause we ain't thinking

634
00:20:31.266 --> 00:20:33.533
about no FBI, no police, or...

635
00:20:33.600 --> 00:20:34.533
He, like, "Man, y'all don't

636
00:20:34.600 --> 00:20:35.467
wanna mess with him, man, he

637
00:20:35.533 --> 00:20:36.900
dirty."

638
00:20:37.266 --> 00:20:39.633
>> I remember him saying, "Abbas

639
00:20:39.700 --> 00:20:41.100
is working with the police."

640
00:20:41.166 --> 00:20:43.633
Now, I was, like, "What?"

641
00:20:43.700 --> 00:20:44.967
>> He said Abbas was involved

642
00:20:45.033 --> 00:20:46.500
in setting people up with law

643
00:20:46.567 --> 00:20:47.967
enforcement.

644
00:20:48.033 --> 00:20:49.433
And that if he ever gets a

645
00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:51.166
chance to, he'll fabricate a

646
00:20:51.233 --> 00:20:53.367
story on me.

647
00:20:57.300 --> 00:20:59.633
>> That's where we met him.

648
00:21:02.900 --> 00:21:04.200
>> The government said that

649
00:21:04.266 --> 00:21:06.200
when I met Abbas, I went into

650
00:21:06.266 --> 00:21:08.433
his store asking him, "Can you

651
00:21:08.500 --> 00:21:09.500
hook me up with Osama bin

652
00:21:09.567 --> 00:21:12.000
Laden or any terrorist guy?"

653
00:21:12.066 --> 00:21:13.433
That's what they were saying.

654
00:21:13.500 --> 00:21:14.433
And...

655
00:21:14.500 --> 00:21:15.433
>> Is that true?

656
00:21:15.500 --> 00:21:18.200
>> No, it never happened.

657
00:21:18.266 --> 00:21:20.767
>> What the informant initially

658
00:21:20.834 --> 00:21:23.433
said: "I met a guy who has a

659
00:21:23.500 --> 00:21:24.867
group.

660
00:21:24.934 --> 00:21:26.333
They wanna overthrow the United

661
00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:27.600
States, they wanna meet an

662
00:21:27.667 --> 00:21:29.467
Al-Qaeda operative, and they

663
00:21:29.533 --> 00:21:30.767
wanna align themselves with

664
00:21:30.834 --> 00:21:32.800
Al-Qaeda."

665
00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:36.100
One of the critical capabilities

666
00:21:36.166 --> 00:21:37.900
that a terrorist organization

667
00:21:37.967 --> 00:21:39.633
such as Al-Qaeda needs is

668
00:21:39.700 --> 00:21:41.367
resources here in the States.

669
00:21:41.433 --> 00:21:43.300
If they could acquire the

670
00:21:43.367 --> 00:21:46.600
capability of a U.S. citizen or

671
00:21:46.667 --> 00:21:48.433
a group of U.S. citizens that

672
00:21:48.500 --> 00:21:49.900
are completely off the radar,

673
00:21:49.967 --> 00:21:51.667
well, that's, that's a pretty

674
00:21:51.734 --> 00:21:54.100
formidable threat.

675
00:21:56.133 --> 00:21:57.767
So, at the time, I'm thinking

676
00:21:57.834 --> 00:21:59.066
maybe something was

677
00:21:59.133 --> 00:22:02.934
miscommunicated, misunderstood.

678
00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:04.266
You know, one of the ways we

679
00:22:04.333 --> 00:22:07.133
resolve that is reconstitute the

680
00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:08.834
conversation and capture it on

681
00:22:08.900 --> 00:22:10.433
audio.

682
00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:11.266
(tape recorder starts)

683
00:22:11.333 --> 00:22:13.000
>> This is Special Agent John P.

684
00:22:13.066 --> 00:22:14.166
Stewart with the Federal Bureau

685
00:22:14.233 --> 00:22:15.433
of Investigation, Miami

686
00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:16.633
Division.

687
00:22:16.700 --> 00:22:20.633
Today's date, October 3, 2005.

688
00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:24.300
The time, 2:45 p.m.

689
00:22:24.367 --> 00:22:25.200
(phone calling out)

690
00:22:25.266 --> 00:22:29.433
(tape recorder stops)

691
00:22:29.500 --> 00:22:31.066
>> Hm.

692
00:22:31.133 --> 00:22:32.867
It was just one of the worst,

693
00:22:32.934 --> 00:22:34.700
I guess you could say, things

694
00:22:34.767 --> 00:22:36.600
that could have ever happened

695
00:22:36.667 --> 00:22:38.800
to us in our life.

696
00:22:38.867 --> 00:22:39.934
Because this cry from this

697
00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.500
man for Narseal to help him

698
00:22:42.567 --> 00:22:45.567
turned out actually to be

699
00:22:45.633 --> 00:22:49.400
what actually set

700
00:22:49.467 --> 00:22:52.266
everything for us in turmoil.

701
00:22:54.133 --> 00:22:55.433
>> The turning point between me

702
00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:56.567
and Abbas is when I went to the

703
00:22:56.633 --> 00:22:58.734
store, I seen ICE there.

704
00:22:58.800 --> 00:23:01.200
Immigration Custom Enforcement.

705
00:23:01.266 --> 00:23:03.000
Abbas was rampaging back and

706
00:23:03.066 --> 00:23:04.900
forth in the store, "Brother,

707
00:23:04.967 --> 00:23:05.934
um, I'm in a lot of trouble

708
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:06.800
right now, they, they're

709
00:23:06.867 --> 00:23:08.066
trying to deport me."

710
00:23:08.133 --> 00:23:09.567
>> Of course, being the man that

711
00:23:09.633 --> 00:23:11.400
Narseal is, he would want to

712
00:23:11.467 --> 00:23:15.400
help at any given opportunity.

713
00:23:15.467 --> 00:23:16.800
Narseal had told him, "If you

714
00:23:16.867 --> 00:23:19.333
need any help, reach out to us."

715
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.467
And of course, he did.

716
00:23:24.233 --> 00:23:25.667
(sighs): And then from there

717
00:23:25.734 --> 00:23:26.567
started the nightmare.

718
00:23:26.633 --> 00:23:27.567
(tape recorder starts)

719
00:23:27.633 --> 00:23:28.867
(phone calling out)

720
00:23:28.934 --> 00:23:30.000
>> How you doing, brother?

721
00:23:30.066 --> 00:23:31.033
Eid Mubarak.

722
00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:32.900
>> Just working like crazy.

723
00:23:32.967 --> 00:23:34.300
>> What time, what time exactly

724
00:23:34.367 --> 00:23:35.900
are you gonna be at the temple?

725
00:23:35.967 --> 00:23:37.300
>> Uh, I can't really say right

726
00:23:37.367 --> 00:23:38.300
now, 'cause I got so much work

727
00:23:38.367 --> 00:23:39.467
ahead of me today.

728
00:23:39.533 --> 00:23:41.533
(tape recorder stops)

729
00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:42.734
The phone calls of him

730
00:23:42.800 --> 00:23:45.533
calling me just, just increased.

731
00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:46.700
Instead of being at, like, every

732
00:23:46.767 --> 00:23:48.100
two weeks, he'll call me, see

733
00:23:48.166 --> 00:23:49.200
how I'm doing, it was, like,

734
00:23:49.266 --> 00:23:50.667
every day.

735
00:23:50.734 --> 00:23:51.834
(tape recorder starts)

736
00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.033
(phone calling out)

737
00:23:53.100 --> 00:23:54.200
>> Um, I don't know, if you want

738
00:23:54.266 --> 00:23:55.500
me to come over or if you wanna

739
00:23:55.567 --> 00:23:56.800
come over, I'm, I'm, I'm free

740
00:23:56.867 --> 00:23:58.100
right now.

741
00:23:58.166 --> 00:23:59.400
>> They just called me on a job

742
00:23:59.467 --> 00:24:00.934
and I have to go look at a job

743
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:02.200
at the airport, so I'm gonna be

744
00:24:02.266 --> 00:24:04.233
leaving in about an hour.

745
00:24:04.300 --> 00:24:05.367
He's saying he needs to meet me

746
00:24:05.433 --> 00:24:06.266
right away.

747
00:24:06.333 --> 00:24:07.266
(tape recorder stops)

748
00:24:07.333 --> 00:24:08.834
>> And what was your response?

749
00:24:08.900 --> 00:24:09.734
>> Uh, as soon as I get a chance

750
00:24:09.800 --> 00:24:10.800
to, 'cause I was very busy with

751
00:24:10.867 --> 00:24:11.700
work.

752
00:24:11.767 --> 00:24:13.166
With the construction company.

753
00:24:13.767 --> 00:24:24.934
(phone calling out)

754
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:25.867
(voicemail beeps softly)

755
00:24:25.934 --> 00:24:27.433
>> Azteca Stucco & Masonry.

756
00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:28.934
I loved the name Azteca because

757
00:24:29.033 --> 00:24:30.834
of the Aztec, um...

758
00:24:31.533 --> 00:24:33.600
Ancient Indians were, uh,

759
00:24:33.667 --> 00:24:35.800
master builders, so I adopted

760
00:24:35.867 --> 00:24:36.800
that.

761
00:24:36.867 --> 00:24:38.934
(camera shutter clicking)

762
00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:40.500
>> Pat was in the construction

763
00:24:40.567 --> 00:24:42.166
field.

764
00:24:42.233 --> 00:24:43.033
Sunny was in the construction

765
00:24:43.100 --> 00:24:44.233
field.

766
00:24:44.300 --> 00:24:45.834
Naz was a truck driver.

767
00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:47.200
I was doing security and a

768
00:24:47.266 --> 00:24:49.000
little side hustle.

769
00:24:49.066 --> 00:24:51.233
And we needed to make money.

770
00:24:51.300 --> 00:24:55.333
Pat was, like, "I have an idea."

771
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:56.800
>> We gonna team up and, you

772
00:24:56.867 --> 00:24:58.100
know, let's put a small

773
00:24:58.166 --> 00:25:01.000
construction company together.

774
00:25:01.066 --> 00:25:02.600
We got the skills, we got the

775
00:25:02.667 --> 00:25:03.867
determination, we got a

776
00:25:03.934 --> 00:25:05.667
willingness, and we got--

777
00:25:05.734 --> 00:25:06.367
there's the need.

778
00:25:06.433 --> 00:25:08.100
(shutter clicks)

779
00:25:08.166 --> 00:25:10.700
>> I'm coming home, dead tired,

780
00:25:10.767 --> 00:25:12.500
and man, I was happy.

781
00:25:12.567 --> 00:25:14.600
I was, like, "Man, I'm doing

782
00:25:14.667 --> 00:25:16.333
something, I'm doing something.

783
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:17.900
You know, change is coming."

784
00:25:17.967 --> 00:25:19.400
(shutter clicking)

785
00:25:19.467 --> 00:25:21.333
It was the first time in my life

786
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.967
I was working towards my own

787
00:25:23.033 --> 00:25:24.100
business.

788
00:25:24.166 --> 00:25:25.300
My own business.

789
00:25:25.367 --> 00:25:26.300
(shutter clicks)

790
00:25:26.367 --> 00:25:28.500
>> I dived all in, I had all

791
00:25:28.567 --> 00:25:29.734
my cards in the construction

792
00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:30.767
game.

793
00:25:30.834 --> 00:25:32.667
Sacrificed weeks without even

794
00:25:32.734 --> 00:25:36.533
getting paid, wake up... early,

795
00:25:36.600 --> 00:25:37.500
and go to sleep late.

796
00:25:37.567 --> 00:25:39.033
And there's no money on the

797
00:25:39.100 --> 00:25:41.567
table-- I'm not getting paid.

798
00:25:41.633 --> 00:25:43.166
>> We had several instances

799
00:25:43.233 --> 00:25:44.667
where we were not getting paid,

800
00:25:44.734 --> 00:25:46.600
plus the investment we already

801
00:25:46.667 --> 00:25:48.200
had made into, uh, remodeling

802
00:25:48.266 --> 00:25:49.600
the temple.

803
00:25:49.667 --> 00:25:51.333
So we was at a financial...

804
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:52.700
Just rough.

805
00:26:04.700 --> 00:26:06.100
>> The biggest mistake he was

806
00:26:06.166 --> 00:26:08.867
consistently making was using

807
00:26:08.934 --> 00:26:10.133
other job money to cover other

808
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:11.500
job because he underestimated

809
00:26:11.567 --> 00:26:12.734
this job.

810
00:26:12.800 --> 00:26:13.934
The number-one rule in

811
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.266
construction: every job pay

812
00:26:15.333 --> 00:26:16.367
itself.

813
00:26:16.433 --> 00:26:18.500
You don't use money from another

814
00:26:18.567 --> 00:26:20.533
job to cover bills in another

815
00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:22.600
job-- that's bad business.

816
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.066
>> I just knew it became very

817
00:26:34.133 --> 00:26:36.133
overwhelming for him.

818
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.533
Oftentimes he would just not

819
00:26:38.600 --> 00:26:39.867
sleep.

820
00:26:39.934 --> 00:26:41.500
Everybody wanted a, a better

821
00:26:41.567 --> 00:26:43.567
way of living, so he felt the

822
00:26:43.633 --> 00:26:44.800
pressure of all these families

823
00:26:44.867 --> 00:26:46.066
on him.

824
00:26:46.133 --> 00:26:47.800
(shutter clicks)

825
00:26:51.100 --> 00:26:53.166
>> Test.

826
00:26:53.233 --> 00:26:54.900
This is Balan, today's date is

827
00:26:54.967 --> 00:26:57.967
11-21-2005.

828
00:26:58.033 --> 00:27:02.467
Time is 1:38 p.m.

829
00:27:02.533 --> 00:27:06.033
This recording includes A.K.A.

830
00:27:06.100 --> 00:27:07.900
Brother Naz.

831
00:27:07.967 --> 00:27:10.767
(phone calling out)

832
00:27:10.834 --> 00:27:12.266
>> Hi.

833
00:27:12.333 --> 00:27:13.433
>> As-salaam alaykum.

834
00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:14.467
>> Yeah?

835
00:27:14.533 --> 00:27:15.500
>> How you doing, akhi, what's

836
00:27:15.567 --> 00:27:16.600
going on?

837
00:27:16.667 --> 00:27:17.967
>> Hey, what's up, Ab?

838
00:27:18.033 --> 00:27:19.133
>> Alhamdulillah, alhamdulillah,

839
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:20.734
you okay, akhi?

840
00:27:20.800 --> 00:27:21.900
>> Yeah, (inaudible), hanging in

841
00:27:21.967 --> 00:27:22.834
there.

842
00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:24.867
>> I hear you, brother.

843
00:27:24.934 --> 00:27:26.066
>> I've been working, but I'm

844
00:27:26.133 --> 00:27:27.500
gonna get off early today.

845
00:27:27.567 --> 00:27:29.066
I'll probably be at the temple

846
00:27:29.133 --> 00:27:30.567
around 7:00.

847
00:27:30.633 --> 00:27:31.767
>> Okay, so you want me to meet

848
00:27:31.834 --> 00:27:33.433
you at the temple at 7:00, or do

849
00:27:33.500 --> 00:27:35.433
you wanna come over to the,

850
00:27:35.500 --> 00:27:37.266
to the, um, to the house?

851
00:27:37.333 --> 00:27:39.100
>> Uh...

852
00:27:39.166 --> 00:27:40.867
>> I mean, I'm in my house.

853
00:27:40.934 --> 00:27:42.767
It's, it's more safe, you know?

854
00:27:42.834 --> 00:27:45.266
Over here, it's, it's quiet.

855
00:27:45.333 --> 00:27:47.133
>> Okay, I'll, I'll be there

856
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:48.367
around 7:00, then.

857
00:27:48.433 --> 00:27:49.567
>> All right, brother, thank you

858
00:27:49.633 --> 00:27:51.133
very much, man.

859
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:52.934
(phone disconnects)

860
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.533
>> Abbas kept begging and

861
00:27:54.600 --> 00:27:55.400
begging, begging, he just

862
00:27:55.467 --> 00:27:56.834
kept promising, "You just don't

863
00:27:56.900 --> 00:27:57.867
realize the opportunity that

864
00:27:57.934 --> 00:27:59.333
I can have for you."

865
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.300
You know, "We're gonna do

866
00:28:00.367 --> 00:28:01.133
something really, really, really

867
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:02.433
great.

868
00:28:02.500 --> 00:28:04.533
Together, financially."

869
00:28:04.600 --> 00:28:06.266
"I could really help you guys,

870
00:28:06.333 --> 00:28:07.567
if you just trust me just a

871
00:28:07.633 --> 00:28:08.467
little bit, just to come by and

872
00:28:08.533 --> 00:28:11.100
talk."

873
00:28:11.166 --> 00:28:13.033
>> So it wasn't, "Let's see how

874
00:28:13.100 --> 00:28:14.400
we can build a mousetrap, put

875
00:28:14.467 --> 00:28:16.867
a big piece of cheese on there."

876
00:28:16.934 --> 00:28:18.033
Listen, I don't even know if

877
00:28:18.100 --> 00:28:20.600
this is a mouse.

878
00:28:20.667 --> 00:28:22.333
And if it is a mouse, I don't

879
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.200
even know if this mouse wants

880
00:28:24.266 --> 00:28:25.667
any cheese.

881
00:28:25.734 --> 00:28:28.000
So...

882
00:28:28.066 --> 00:28:29.667
We looked at Batiste and said

883
00:28:29.734 --> 00:28:31.467
he doesn't look like, you know,

884
00:28:31.533 --> 00:28:32.700
I don't know, he's...

885
00:28:32.767 --> 00:28:34.000
He's saying these things that a

886
00:28:34.066 --> 00:28:35.433
mouse would say, but let's give

887
00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:36.934
him another shot.

888
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.133
And then we had nowhere else

889
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:40.767
to go but to put the piece of

890
00:28:40.834 --> 00:28:42.934
cheese on the trap.

891
00:28:48.266 --> 00:28:50.100
When you're sending an informant

892
00:28:50.166 --> 00:28:53.166
into a meeting, you're not

893
00:28:53.233 --> 00:28:54.700
giving them a script.

894
00:28:54.767 --> 00:28:56.133
You're giving them an outline,

895
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:57.500
with a, with some objectives

896
00:28:57.567 --> 00:28:59.934
to achieve.

897
00:29:01.233 --> 00:29:03.367
Revisit this conversation.

898
00:29:03.433 --> 00:29:05.567
Let Batiste explain in his own

899
00:29:05.633 --> 00:29:08.900
words what it is that he was

900
00:29:08.967 --> 00:29:12.367
asking Abbas for assistance in.

901
00:29:12.433 --> 00:29:15.533
The outline for that was in the

902
00:29:15.600 --> 00:29:18.633
form of Abbas telling Narseal

903
00:29:18.700 --> 00:29:20.734
Batiste, "Remember you told me

904
00:29:20.800 --> 00:29:22.333
you wanted to meet an Al-Qaeda

905
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:23.400
guy.

906
00:29:23.467 --> 00:29:25.734
Um, well, I, I got the guy."

907
00:29:27.767 --> 00:29:28.867
>> Abbas has a friend of his

908
00:29:28.934 --> 00:29:31.333
that he wants me to meet who's

909
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.266
a financial guy, a rich guy,

910
00:29:33.333 --> 00:29:34.433
this, that, and the other.

911
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:35.567
And that he would help back us

912
00:29:35.633 --> 00:29:36.967
at whatever we needed.

913
00:29:37.033 --> 00:29:38.333
But we need to follow his

914
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:39.333
direction in this.

915
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.300
>> Okay, so he wants us to make

916
00:29:41.367 --> 00:29:42.433
sure that we're really good

917
00:29:42.500 --> 00:29:43.600
Muslims.

918
00:29:43.667 --> 00:29:44.767
He's, like, "Yeah, you gotta be

919
00:29:44.834 --> 00:29:46.800
really good, good Muslim men.

920
00:29:47.033 --> 00:29:49.100
And no Christianity, so, so go

921
00:29:49.166 --> 00:29:50.600
buy some Qurans."

922
00:29:50.667 --> 00:29:53.867
I'm, like, "Uh-huh."

923
00:29:53.934 --> 00:29:57.867
>> Abbas told Naz he has a uncle

924
00:29:57.934 --> 00:29:59.066
coming down who's a

925
00:29:59.133 --> 00:30:00.166
philanthropist.

926
00:30:00.233 --> 00:30:01.700
And he love people who's helping

927
00:30:01.767 --> 00:30:03.133
the community.

928
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:04.533
That's what Abbas must have

929
00:30:04.600 --> 00:30:06.600
repeated a thousand times: "Man,

930
00:30:06.667 --> 00:30:07.800
my uncle like to help people

931
00:30:07.867 --> 00:30:08.934
who help people.

932
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.033
Don't worry about nothing.

933
00:30:10.100 --> 00:30:11.066
He's-- that's what he do."

934
00:30:11.133 --> 00:30:12.400
>> "I'm gonna talk to my uncle.

935
00:30:12.467 --> 00:30:14.166
My uncle going to help you.

936
00:30:14.233 --> 00:30:15.367
You know, he gonna get some

937
00:30:15.433 --> 00:30:16.467
money and we all gonna, you

938
00:30:16.533 --> 00:30:17.467
know, we're all gonna make

939
00:30:17.533 --> 00:30:18.233
some money."

940
00:30:18.300 --> 00:30:19.033
>> We wanted the money, we

941
00:30:19.100 --> 00:30:21.200
wanted the funds, 'cause we...

942
00:30:21.266 --> 00:30:22.700
We were (bleep) up bad.

943
00:30:22.767 --> 00:30:24.266
Nobody had the knowledge of how

944
00:30:24.333 --> 00:30:25.867
to run a business.

945
00:30:25.934 --> 00:30:27.533
So we was (bleep) up what we was

946
00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:29.667
doing.

947
00:30:29.734 --> 00:30:32.100
>> This is Balan, the date is

948
00:30:32.166 --> 00:30:36.600
11-21-2005, the time is 7:58

949
00:30:36.667 --> 00:30:38.000
p.m.

950
00:30:38.066 --> 00:30:42.567
(phone calling out)

951
00:30:42.633 --> 00:30:43.934
>> Akhi!

952
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:45.000
>> Akhi, how you doing, man?

953
00:30:45.066 --> 00:30:46.967
That's Brother Naz, huh?

954
00:30:47.033 --> 00:30:48.500
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

955
00:30:48.567 --> 00:30:49.867
>> I'm waiting for you, man.

956
00:30:49.934 --> 00:30:51.000
How you doing, what's going on?

957
00:30:51.066 --> 00:30:52.967
>> Rock on, brother, rock on!

958
00:30:53.033 --> 00:30:54.066
>> All right, all right, I just

959
00:30:54.133 --> 00:30:55.367
don't wanna be missing anything,

960
00:30:55.433 --> 00:30:56.467
because I'm praying alone and I

961
00:30:56.533 --> 00:30:57.633
don't like it, man, I'm waiting

962
00:30:57.700 --> 00:30:59.100
for you for isha.

963
00:30:59.166 --> 00:31:00.367
>> Oh, inshallah, we're gonna be

964
00:31:00.433 --> 00:31:01.767
there in two or three minutes.

965
00:31:01.834 --> 00:31:03.734
>> Okay, inshallah, akhi.

966
00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:04.834
>> Inshallah, man, salaam

967
00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:06.000
alaykum.

968
00:31:06.066 --> 00:31:07.367
>> Mashallah.

969
00:31:07.433 --> 00:31:10.333
(phone disconnects)

970
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:14.033
The time is 7:59 p.m.

971
00:31:14.100 --> 00:31:15.867
This recording is ended.

972
00:31:16.066 --> 00:31:17.367
(tape recorder stops)

973
00:31:17.433 --> 00:31:22.934
(dog barking, crickets chirping)

974
00:31:28.567 --> 00:31:33.567
(knock at door)

975
00:31:33.633 --> 00:31:37.133
(indistinct chatter)

976
00:31:42.967 --> 00:31:44.133
>> When we get there, we're

977
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:44.934
still in our work clothes

978
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.900
'cause we just left a job.

979
00:31:46.967 --> 00:31:49.166
Me and Patrick Abraham.

980
00:31:49.233 --> 00:31:53.333
(indistinct chatter)

981
00:32:00.133 --> 00:32:01.166
We were just kind of, like,

982
00:32:01.233 --> 00:32:02.500
clowning around.

983
00:32:02.567 --> 00:32:04.934
(indistinct chatter)

984
00:32:05.667 --> 00:32:07.133
Just laughing and talking

985
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.834
about the situation that Abbas

986
00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:11.367
was, was talking to us about.

987
00:32:20.033 --> 00:32:21.233
>> Our intention from the

988
00:32:21.300 --> 00:32:23.066
beginning was to put this to

989
00:32:23.133 --> 00:32:24.500
bed.

990
00:32:24.567 --> 00:32:25.667
He wants to meet Al-Qaeda?

991
00:32:25.734 --> 00:32:27.033
Okay, tell him you got a guy,

992
00:32:27.100 --> 00:32:28.333
see what he says.

993
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:29.600
The expected response would be,

994
00:32:29.667 --> 00:32:30.700
"Well, what are you, what are

995
00:32:30.767 --> 00:32:32.033
you, what are you talking about?

996
00:32:32.100 --> 00:32:33.467
I, I never-- I don't

997
00:32:33.533 --> 00:32:35.200
remember ever saying that."

998
00:33:10.066 --> 00:33:11.900
>> He could have said, "Hey,

999
00:33:11.967 --> 00:33:14.367
listen, I, I was a little out

1000
00:33:14.433 --> 00:33:16.834
of my lane, I was off my meds,

1001
00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:18.133
and I don't know what you're

1002
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:19.333
talking about."

1003
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.033
And then we would have happily

1004
00:33:21.100 --> 00:33:23.166
have closed that investigation,

1005
00:33:23.233 --> 00:33:24.900
because it wasn't like we were

1006
00:33:24.967 --> 00:33:26.500
looking for work.

1007
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.333
>> I thought Abbas was an avenue

1008
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.066
to relinquish my financial

1009
00:33:40.133 --> 00:33:41.400
difficulty.

1010
00:33:41.467 --> 00:33:43.467
If I can just get the money, I

1011
00:33:43.533 --> 00:33:45.333
can pay these immediate bills.

1012
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:46.934
That was the only thing that

1013
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.133
kept driving me: that if I get

1014
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.967
that one handful of money, then

1015
00:33:52.033 --> 00:33:53.467
it's over with.

1016
00:34:13.433 --> 00:34:17.834
I had no belief into, um,

1017
00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:19.800
fighting any jihad, holy war,

1018
00:34:19.867 --> 00:34:21.567
or anything that's going on in

1019
00:34:21.633 --> 00:34:22.567
the Middle East.

1020
00:34:22.633 --> 00:34:23.433
And even though it was against

1021
00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:24.700
my morals and values, I felt

1022
00:34:24.767 --> 00:34:25.934
like if I could go through it

1023
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.266
and just get the money, then all

1024
00:34:28.333 --> 00:34:30.133
of that would be washed away.

1025
00:34:46.834 --> 00:34:48.066
>> "Well, Tony, we got the

1026
00:34:48.133 --> 00:34:49.000
tape."

1027
00:34:49.066 --> 00:34:50.800
"Okay, so what are we doing?"

1028
00:34:50.867 --> 00:34:52.333
"Well, he asked him, 'Hey, you

1029
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:53.700
remember when you wanted to

1030
00:34:53.767 --> 00:34:54.734
meet the...?', and he said,

1031
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:55.800
'Yeah.'"

1032
00:34:55.867 --> 00:34:56.633
"So what, what are we doing

1033
00:34:56.700 --> 00:34:57.633
now?"

1034
00:34:57.700 --> 00:35:01.233
"Okay, well, you, you're gonna

1035
00:35:01.300 --> 00:35:02.700
have to put somebody that's

1036
00:35:02.767 --> 00:35:04.033
gonna pretend to be Al-Qaeda

1037
00:35:04.100 --> 00:35:05.333
in front of him."

1038
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.400
>> My name is Elie Assaad,

1039
00:35:07.467 --> 00:35:09.000
former undercover operative for

1040
00:35:09.066 --> 00:35:11.467
United State, uh, government.

1041
00:35:11.533 --> 00:35:13.834
>> We identified an informant

1042
00:35:13.900 --> 00:35:15.834
that had been previously used in

1043
00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:17.700
another FBI investigation in

1044
00:35:17.767 --> 00:35:19.166
Miami.

1045
00:35:19.233 --> 00:35:20.734
>> So, they needed to, to get

1046
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:21.934
somebody else, a little bit

1047
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.033
stronger, a little bit more

1048
00:35:23.100 --> 00:35:25.200
forceful, so they bring in the

1049
00:35:25.266 --> 00:35:26.734
closer.

1050
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.967
The closer is, is, uh, Elie

1051
00:35:29.033 --> 00:35:30.333
Assaad.

1052
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:31.600
And Elie Assaad was a

1053
00:35:31.667 --> 00:35:33.133
professional informant.

1054
00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:34.767
He used to refer to himself to

1055
00:35:34.834 --> 00:35:36.500
his friends as Tony Montana

1056
00:35:36.567 --> 00:35:38.467
from the, uh, "Scarface," you

1057
00:35:38.533 --> 00:35:40.166
know, the, the evil character.

1058
00:35:40.233 --> 00:35:42.000
>> Are we ready?

1059
00:35:42.066 --> 00:35:43.166
>> You ready?

1060
00:35:43.233 --> 00:35:45.266
>> Hold on, one second.

1061
00:35:45.333 --> 00:35:47.567
>> Sure, okay.

1062
00:35:47.633 --> 00:35:48.533
>> When we initially got the

1063
00:35:48.600 --> 00:35:49.667
information, we're looking at

1064
00:35:49.734 --> 00:35:51.100
this, and we're, like, "Do we

1065
00:35:51.166 --> 00:35:52.166
think that these guys really

1066
00:35:52.233 --> 00:35:52.867
wanna meet somebody from

1067
00:35:52.934 --> 00:35:54.567
Al-Qaeda?"

1068
00:35:54.633 --> 00:35:56.333
You know, common sense sort of

1069
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:59.367
suggested probably not, but

1070
00:35:59.433 --> 00:36:00.467
let's see where it goes.

1071
00:36:00.533 --> 00:36:02.166
And so we decided on using him

1072
00:36:02.233 --> 00:36:03.500
because we did not expect for it

1073
00:36:03.567 --> 00:36:05.333
to go beyond that first meeting.

1074
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:06.400
>> I'm good, I never lost a

1075
00:36:06.467 --> 00:36:08.700
case.

1076
00:36:08.767 --> 00:36:09.834
I never lost a case all these

1077
00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:13.333
years-- even sometimes, uh,

1078
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.800
when they have already on,

1079
00:36:15.867 --> 00:36:17.800
ongoing cases, where they feel

1080
00:36:17.867 --> 00:36:20.200
they gonna lose it, and they

1081
00:36:20.266 --> 00:36:22.133
bring me to, uh, jump in and put

1082
00:36:22.200 --> 00:36:25.100
it back on track.

1083
00:36:25.166 --> 00:36:27.033
>> Abbas is talking about Elie

1084
00:36:27.100 --> 00:36:28.300
Assaad, but he's using his name

1085
00:36:28.367 --> 00:36:29.400
as "Uncle."

1086
00:36:29.467 --> 00:36:31.567
Yeah, that's, that's his name.

1087
00:36:31.633 --> 00:36:33.266
Elie Assaad.

1088
00:36:33.333 --> 00:36:35.633
No good mother(bleep).

1089
00:36:42.567 --> 00:36:44.300
>> We rented a hotel room.

1090
00:36:44.367 --> 00:36:46.233
The Hilton, Downtown Miami.

1091
00:36:49.066 --> 00:36:50.867
Again, we set up surveillance so

1092
00:36:50.934 --> 00:36:52.700
we could capture the meeting in

1093
00:36:52.767 --> 00:36:55.066
video and audio.

1094
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.166
I'm in a room close by, where we

1095
00:37:02.233 --> 00:37:04.266
can monitor the meeting.

1096
00:37:05.934 --> 00:37:08.367
We also have a surveillance unit

1097
00:37:08.433 --> 00:37:10.934
outside of the hotel.

1098
00:37:14.433 --> 00:37:15.867
>> Abbas continued to call us

1099
00:37:15.934 --> 00:37:17.834
and call us until Elie Assaad

1100
00:37:17.900 --> 00:37:19.667
came and he called me on that

1101
00:37:19.734 --> 00:37:21.333
day to go meet him.

1102
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:22.934
He initially promised me, like,

1103
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:24.200
around 20 grand or whatever.

1104
00:37:24.266 --> 00:37:25.500
He said, "I'll have it for

1105
00:37:25.567 --> 00:37:27.166
you.

1106
00:37:27.233 --> 00:37:30.166
I just need you to meet him ."

1107
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:33.233
>> The surveillance team says,

1108
00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:34.567
"You're not going to believe

1109
00:37:34.633 --> 00:37:35.967
this, but your subject is

1110
00:37:36.033 --> 00:37:37.867
walking down Biscayne Boulevard

1111
00:37:37.934 --> 00:37:39.834
in a white robe and a cane

1112
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:44.133
that's six feet tall, looking

1113
00:37:44.200 --> 00:37:45.400
like Moses."

1114
00:37:45.467 --> 00:37:46.667
I got on the radio and I said,

1115
00:37:46.734 --> 00:37:48.200
"Are you sure it's our subject?"

1116
00:37:48.266 --> 00:37:49.200
And they're, like, "It's, it's

1117
00:37:49.266 --> 00:37:50.166
your guy."

1118
00:37:50.233 --> 00:37:51.333
I look at our team in the room

1119
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:52.967
and I'm, like, "What, what's

1120
00:37:53.033 --> 00:37:55.367
going on?"

1121
00:37:55.433 --> 00:37:57.400
>> Room 612, I knocked on the

1122
00:37:57.467 --> 00:37:58.967
door.

1123
00:37:59.033 --> 00:38:00.900
Assaad opened up the door and he

1124
00:38:00.967 --> 00:38:02.266
says, "Come on in, brother,

1125
00:38:02.333 --> 00:38:04.133
let's talk."

1126
00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:10.800
I figured I could be slick

1127
00:38:10.867 --> 00:38:12.734
enough to say what I had to say

1128
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:13.667
in there and just get that

1129
00:38:13.734 --> 00:38:16.033
money and break off.

1130
00:38:16.100 --> 00:38:18.200
>> Batiste doesn't blink.

1131
00:38:18.266 --> 00:38:19.500
He could have said, "Listen, I

1132
00:38:19.567 --> 00:38:21.000
was just joking, I'm going to a

1133
00:38:21.066 --> 00:38:23.567
Halloween party..."

1134
00:38:23.633 --> 00:38:24.633
And fine.

1135
00:38:50.567 --> 00:38:52.033
>> Elie Assaad.

1136
00:38:52.100 --> 00:38:54.133
He had somewhat of an ego

1137
00:38:54.200 --> 00:38:55.233
if you will.

1138
00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:09.400
>> I think he sort of felt he

1139
00:39:09.467 --> 00:39:10.600
needed to guide this

1140
00:39:10.667 --> 00:39:12.834
conversation more affirmatively,

1141
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:15.767
and at times I think he, he may

1142
00:39:15.834 --> 00:39:16.767
overdo it.

1143
00:39:40.266 --> 00:39:41.367
>> I was never good at being no

1144
00:39:41.433 --> 00:39:42.567
type of scam artist.

1145
00:39:42.633 --> 00:39:43.500
This is, this is the first time

1146
00:39:43.567 --> 00:39:44.467
in my life I'm ever really

1147
00:39:44.533 --> 00:39:46.033
trying to run a scam.

1148
00:40:56.700 --> 00:40:57.533
>> And he was, like, "All

1149
00:40:57.600 --> 00:40:58.700
right, so what do you need?"

1150
00:40:58.767 --> 00:40:59.533
I knew that I had to make

1151
00:40:59.600 --> 00:41:00.400
something up right then and

1152
00:41:00.467 --> 00:41:01.367
there.

1153
00:41:01.433 --> 00:41:02.500
Course, I was not prepared for

1154
00:41:02.567 --> 00:41:03.433
any kind of list, I didn't bring

1155
00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:04.734
any kind of list, because this

1156
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.633
was just something I was just

1157
00:41:05.700 --> 00:41:07.266
brainstorming on.

1158
00:41:07.333 --> 00:41:08.066
So I wrote a whole bunch of

1159
00:41:08.133 --> 00:41:09.834
crazy things down on the list.

1160
00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:10.867
I needed knee-high boots, things

1161
00:41:10.934 --> 00:41:11.800
that didn't make sense.

1162
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:24.867
>> Yes, I put guns on there.

1163
00:41:24.934 --> 00:41:25.734
I couldn't name them, he kept

1164
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:26.867
asking me the name for them.

1165
00:41:26.934 --> 00:41:27.700
I didn't know any name of guns,

1166
00:41:27.767 --> 00:41:28.834
'cause I never owned a gun.

1167
00:41:53.066 --> 00:41:55.300
The list that he took he tore

1168
00:41:55.367 --> 00:41:56.100
up several times, and

1169
00:41:56.166 --> 00:41:57.734
eventually, there was a list

1170
00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:59.000
that was made.

1171
00:41:59.066 --> 00:42:00.400
And he was, like, "I'll go back

1172
00:42:00.467 --> 00:42:01.633
and talk to Abbas about

1173
00:42:01.700 --> 00:42:02.834
everything and we'll work on

1174
00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:04.867
getting the money to you."

1175
00:42:08.133 --> 00:42:10.700
I left the room.

1176
00:42:10.767 --> 00:42:14.100
I felt a lot of fear.

1177
00:42:14.166 --> 00:42:15.400
I felt like a big cavity was

1178
00:42:15.467 --> 00:42:17.500
inside my chest.

1179
00:42:21.100 --> 00:42:23.033
Empty.

1180
00:42:33.233 --> 00:42:35.800
>> We're-- we're in the room and

1181
00:42:35.867 --> 00:42:37.166
we're, like, "Okay, well, what

1182
00:42:37.233 --> 00:42:37.767
happens now?"

1183
00:42:38.367 --> 00:42:41.133
So, we went back to the, uh, to

1184
00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:43.867
the bullpen, and sat down and

1185
00:42:43.934 --> 00:42:45.934
says, "Okay, guys, it's, let's

1186
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:47.233
whiteboard this.

1187
00:42:47.300 --> 00:42:49.000
What are, what are we gonna do?"

1188
00:42:49.066 --> 00:42:50.066
Okay? We could go knock on

1189
00:42:50.133 --> 00:42:52.033
Batiste's door and say, "Hey,

1190
00:42:52.100 --> 00:42:54.867
listen, we...

1191
00:42:54.934 --> 00:42:55.967
You met with somebody who said

1192
00:42:56.033 --> 00:42:57.600
they were with Al-Qaeda.

1193
00:42:57.667 --> 00:42:58.867
Now, how serious are you?

1194
00:42:58.934 --> 00:43:00.934
'Cause if you're not, okay,

1195
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:02.700
you need to knock it off."

1196
00:43:02.767 --> 00:43:05.867
They could just... go off and

1197
00:43:05.934 --> 00:43:07.367
not do anything for another

1198
00:43:07.433 --> 00:43:09.000
year, or two years, or three

1199
00:43:09.066 --> 00:43:10.133
years.

1200
00:43:10.200 --> 00:43:11.467
There aren't enough resources to

1201
00:43:11.533 --> 00:43:12.834
commit to that type of, you

1202
00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:14.533
know, monitoring.

1203
00:43:14.600 --> 00:43:18.834
So, we wanted to find out, um,

1204
00:43:18.900 --> 00:43:22.600
how committed Batiste was to

1205
00:43:22.667 --> 00:43:25.600
what he had told Elie Assaad.

1206
00:43:35.166 --> 00:43:36.233
>> This whole thing was way

1207
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:38.066
beyond me.

1208
00:43:38.133 --> 00:43:39.900
The rhetoric and the talk and

1209
00:43:39.967 --> 00:43:41.934
the relationship with Abbas just

1210
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.100
went... way out of control.

1211
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.300
My hustle wasn't even talking

1212
00:44:01.367 --> 00:44:03.266
about terrorists at the very

1213
00:44:03.333 --> 00:44:05.100
beginning.

1214
00:44:05.166 --> 00:44:07.000
I was slowly wielded into that

1215
00:44:07.066 --> 00:44:08.433
with Abbas.

1216
00:44:19.967 --> 00:44:22.033
>> He really set these guys up.

1217
00:44:22.100 --> 00:44:23.767
There's really no other way for

1218
00:44:23.834 --> 00:44:25.633
me to put it.

1219
00:44:25.700 --> 00:44:27.300
Abbas saw, from working in the

1220
00:44:27.367 --> 00:44:28.934
store, that these men didn't

1221
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.233
have a lot of money.

1222
00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:31.567
And he also played on that,

1223
00:44:31.633 --> 00:44:32.600
that they were poor.

1224
00:44:47.633 --> 00:44:49.333
>> They just kept getting pushed

1225
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:50.900
forward and forward and forward

1226
00:44:50.967 --> 00:44:52.200
by Abbas.

1227
00:44:52.266 --> 00:44:53.600
And Abbas is putting all these

1228
00:44:53.667 --> 00:44:55.633
ideas in their head.

1229
00:44:55.700 --> 00:44:56.667
It was like a big joke to him at

1230
00:44:56.734 --> 00:44:59.133
home, it was...

1231
00:44:59.200 --> 00:45:00.166
All he could do was laugh about

1232
00:45:00.233 --> 00:45:01.500
it, it...

1233
00:45:01.567 --> 00:45:03.300
He thought it was hilarious.

1234
00:45:03.367 --> 00:45:04.300
He was, like, "I can't believe

1235
00:45:04.367 --> 00:45:05.934
they think I'm really Al-Qaeda."

1236
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.233
It didn't matter if that's how

1237
00:45:07.300 --> 00:45:08.834
he was gonna get his money, if

1238
00:45:08.900 --> 00:45:10.500
that's how the FBI was gonna pay

1239
00:45:10.567 --> 00:45:11.700
him.

1240
00:45:30.467 --> 00:45:32.834
>> In the informant world, are

1241
00:45:32.900 --> 00:45:34.700
they paid?

1242
00:45:34.767 --> 00:45:36.133
Of course they're paid.

1243
00:45:36.200 --> 00:45:38.567
They got paid expenses.

1244
00:45:38.633 --> 00:45:39.834
It wasn't, like, "Hey, listen,

1245
00:45:39.900 --> 00:45:41.367
if you get a conviction, you're

1246
00:45:41.433 --> 00:45:42.433
gonna get a hundred, a hundred

1247
00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:43.200
thousand dollars."

1248
00:45:43.266 --> 00:45:44.367
That's not how we operate.

1249
00:45:53.700 --> 00:45:55.367
I finally get a call from Abbas

1250
00:45:55.433 --> 00:45:57.367
telling me, "Look, um, Assaad

1251
00:45:57.433 --> 00:45:58.867
definitely wants to meet with

1252
00:45:58.934 --> 00:45:59.900
you-- he's got the money, you

1253
00:45:59.967 --> 00:46:01.934
just have to pick him up."

1254
00:46:03.633 --> 00:46:04.867
He told me that, "If you gonna

1255
00:46:04.934 --> 00:46:06.066
get the money, you gotta make it

1256
00:46:06.133 --> 00:46:08.066
sound for real.

1257
00:46:08.133 --> 00:46:09.667
Talk big, like you gonna blow

1258
00:46:09.734 --> 00:46:11.000
something up."

1259
00:46:11.066 --> 00:46:11.834
He said, "If you say that,

1260
00:46:11.900 --> 00:46:14.100
they're gonna come through."

1261
00:46:14.166 --> 00:46:15.300
I was high off marijuana one

1262
00:46:15.367 --> 00:46:16.233
time when we was riding in the

1263
00:46:16.300 --> 00:46:17.400
back seat of a car, and he

1264
00:46:17.467 --> 00:46:19.066
whispered over to me, says, "You

1265
00:46:19.133 --> 00:46:20.000
got anything in mind you could

1266
00:46:20.066 --> 00:46:20.934
say big?

1267
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:21.934
Say, you're from Chicago, you

1268
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:22.800
should be able to come up with

1269
00:46:22.867 --> 00:46:23.667
something."

1270
00:46:23.734 --> 00:46:24.500
And I thought in my mind, "Well,

1271
00:46:24.567 --> 00:46:25.300
the Sears Tower, I guess I'll

1272
00:46:25.367 --> 00:46:25.967
blow that up, how does that

1273
00:46:26.033 --> 00:46:26.967
sound?"

1274
00:46:27.033 --> 00:46:28.000
And he cracked up laughing and

1275
00:46:28.066 --> 00:46:29.600
he said, "That would be great."

1276
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:47.600
>> That was the basic

1277
00:46:47.667 --> 00:46:48.633
motivation of it, was, the whole

1278
00:46:48.700 --> 00:46:50.200
thing was about who could scam

1279
00:46:50.266 --> 00:46:52.233
who out of the money.

1280
00:46:52.300 --> 00:46:53.834
>> Did you think that that could

1281
00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:55.300
go wrong for you?

1282
00:46:55.367 --> 00:46:57.967
>> Yes.

1283
00:46:58.033 --> 00:46:59.633
Did I linger on that thought?

1284
00:46:59.700 --> 00:47:00.567
No.

1285
00:48:09.667 --> 00:48:11.800
>> He's gonna give you money.

1286
00:48:11.867 --> 00:48:13.033
What the (bleep) you think the

1287
00:48:13.100 --> 00:48:15.533
money is for?

1288
00:48:15.600 --> 00:48:17.533
Terrorism.

1289
00:48:17.600 --> 00:48:18.767
He wants you to do an act, just

1290
00:48:18.834 --> 00:48:20.834
like a, uh, murder for hire.

1291
00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:23.367
What's present in our mind is,

1292
00:48:23.433 --> 00:48:24.667
"When you give it to me, I'm not

1293
00:48:24.734 --> 00:48:26.300
killing nobody.

1294
00:48:26.367 --> 00:48:28.667
This is mine, (bleep) you.

1295
00:48:28.734 --> 00:48:30.266
What you gonna do?

1296
00:48:30.333 --> 00:48:31.033
'Cause if you really that

1297
00:48:31.100 --> 00:48:31.900
powerful, you would have had

1298
00:48:31.967 --> 00:48:33.166
your own crew right here.

1299
00:48:33.233 --> 00:48:34.767
You ain't (bleep).

1300
00:48:34.834 --> 00:48:36.066
You just a rich mother(bleep)

1301
00:48:36.133 --> 00:48:38.133
that is gonna give the money to

1302
00:48:38.200 --> 00:48:39.200
us and then you gonna

1303
00:48:39.266 --> 00:48:40.200
disappear."

1304
00:48:40.266 --> 00:48:41.367
>> Whoa, man, it's, like,

1305
00:48:41.433 --> 00:48:43.600
terrorism.

1306
00:48:43.667 --> 00:48:45.000
You know, it never popped in

1307
00:48:45.066 --> 00:48:46.500
our mind like, "Yo, this is

1308
00:48:46.567 --> 00:48:48.433
something serious."

1309
00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:50.400
It's like these two (bleep) fake

1310
00:48:50.467 --> 00:48:51.834
guys playing some (bleep)-damned

1311
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:53.266
game.

1312
00:48:53.333 --> 00:48:55.033
Batiste fighting for control

1313
00:48:55.100 --> 00:48:57.000
over some damn donations, and it

1314
00:48:57.066 --> 00:48:59.433
was-- it all made me sick.

1315
00:48:59.500 --> 00:49:01.834
>> I wanna prove these guys

1316
00:49:01.900 --> 00:49:04.200
didn't wanna do this.

1317
00:49:04.266 --> 00:49:06.500
I wanna prove that this

1318
00:49:06.567 --> 00:49:07.934
conversation that the informant

1319
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:09.900
may have misquoted didn't

1320
00:49:09.967 --> 00:49:11.300
happen.

1321
00:49:11.367 --> 00:49:13.133
And this is what it is.

1322
00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:15.233
But that's not what happened.

1323
00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:16.967
Every time I thought we were

1324
00:49:17.033 --> 00:49:19.200
gonna get off the highway, we

1325
00:49:19.266 --> 00:49:21.567
hit another mile marker.

1326
00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:24.934
>> Yeah, he left yesterday.

1327
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.867
>> (exhales)

1328
00:49:26.934 --> 00:49:28.600
>> He left yesterday, so...

1329
00:49:46.333 --> 00:49:47.367
>> I was taking a lot of

1330
00:49:47.433 --> 00:49:48.500
marijuana substance.

1331
00:49:48.567 --> 00:49:49.800
At least an ounce every two

1332
00:49:49.867 --> 00:49:52.200
days, and it had me living in a

1333
00:49:52.266 --> 00:49:53.734
world of fear.

1334
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:55.100
And fear was pulling all of this

1335
00:49:55.166 --> 00:49:57.767
into a detrimental path with

1336
00:49:57.834 --> 00:49:59.967
myself.

1337
00:50:00.033 --> 00:50:01.700
As far as trusting my own, uh,

1338
00:50:01.767 --> 00:50:03.200
judgment of what's right and

1339
00:50:03.266 --> 00:50:06.166
wrong, in terms of the scam, of

1340
00:50:06.233 --> 00:50:07.667
going further or not.

1341
00:50:24.700 --> 00:50:26.133
>> Whenever I, I, you know, my

1342
00:50:26.200 --> 00:50:27.266
attention fell on him, it's

1343
00:50:27.333 --> 00:50:28.700
like, "Yeah, he talking,

1344
00:50:28.767 --> 00:50:30.433
talking crazy.

1345
00:50:30.500 --> 00:50:31.700
You know, doing all of that just

1346
00:50:31.767 --> 00:50:33.533
to get the, convince the guy

1347
00:50:33.600 --> 00:50:35.266
to get you some money."

1348
00:50:53.266 --> 00:50:54.934
I was just trying to get into

1349
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.367
Assaad's head, you know, say

1350
00:50:56.433 --> 00:50:58.166
what would make him happy.

1351
00:50:58.233 --> 00:50:59.233
'Cause he kept looking at me

1352
00:50:59.300 --> 00:51:00.967
like, you know, "I need more.

1353
00:51:01.033 --> 00:51:02.433
Say something more."

1354
00:51:15.100 --> 00:51:16.533
>> This guy just make a

1355
00:51:16.600 --> 00:51:18.433
crazy-ass statement and then,

1356
00:51:18.500 --> 00:51:20.500
less than ten second later, he's

1357
00:51:20.567 --> 00:51:22.734
in a basketball game.

1358
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.300
The TV faced us.

1359
00:51:25.834 --> 00:51:27.934
So, a lot of time, you see me

1360
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.667
there, I'm, I'm looking, I'm

1361
00:51:30.734 --> 00:51:32.000
watching the game.

1362
00:52:18.834 --> 00:52:20.166
I wasn't feeling good about

1363
00:52:20.233 --> 00:52:21.000
what I was saying.

1364
00:52:21.066 --> 00:52:22.333
But at the time, I felt like I

1365
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.900
had to, to make up this story

1366
00:52:24.967 --> 00:52:26.066
one more time for this guy.

1367
00:52:26.133 --> 00:52:27.333
So, I was just constantly just

1368
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:28.200
flipping through different

1369
00:52:28.266 --> 00:52:29.100
pictures in my mind that I seen

1370
00:52:29.166 --> 00:52:30.633
on the media.

1371
00:52:38.133 --> 00:52:39.934
I grabbed that from just end of

1372
00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:41.000
world type of movies.

1373
00:52:41.066 --> 00:52:42.133
'Cause a lot of that was going

1374
00:52:42.200 --> 00:52:43.200
on at the time.

1375
00:52:43.266 --> 00:52:44.533
Tidal waves type of movies.

1376
00:52:53.567 --> 00:52:55.834
>> (clapping)

1377
00:52:55.900 --> 00:52:57.700
>> I'm not gonna do anything.

1378
00:52:57.767 --> 00:52:58.500
I'm just talking a whole bunch

1379
00:52:58.567 --> 00:53:00.066
of crap here.

1380
00:53:00.133 --> 00:53:16.367
And I'm high.

1381
00:53:16.433 --> 00:53:19.867
>> If Batiste is having these

1382
00:53:19.934 --> 00:53:23.467
conversations with somebody he

1383
00:53:23.533 --> 00:53:26.066
believes is from Al-Qaeda, you

1384
00:53:26.133 --> 00:53:28.900
know, Al-Qaeda would say, "Okay,

1385
00:53:28.967 --> 00:53:30.467
maybe, maybe we should target

1386
00:53:30.533 --> 00:53:32.100
the Sears Tower.

1387
00:53:32.166 --> 00:53:33.166
And, and, and by the way, you

1388
00:53:33.233 --> 00:53:35.834
think we should, as the

1389
00:53:35.900 --> 00:53:37.600
survivors run out, shoot them?

1390
00:53:37.667 --> 00:53:38.767
We didn't even think of that.

1391
00:53:38.834 --> 00:53:40.100
Write that down."

1392
00:53:53.934 --> 00:53:56.367
(laughs)

1393
00:53:56.433 --> 00:53:58.934
>> Dude.

1394
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:01.233
You, you, you really have to do

1395
00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:02.934
all of that?

1396
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:05.200
Did you have to really, doing

1397
00:54:05.266 --> 00:54:06.834
all that back and forth with the

1398
00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:07.667
guy?

1399
00:54:07.734 --> 00:54:09.400
"Yeah, he, he gonna, you know,

1400
00:54:09.467 --> 00:54:10.233
I'm gonna get the money.

1401
00:54:10.300 --> 00:54:11.533
I'm gonna get the money."

1402
00:54:11.600 --> 00:54:13.734
All right, whatever, man.

1403
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:17.000
>> I was sick of it.

1404
00:54:17.066 --> 00:54:18.266
Matter of fact, I remember,

1405
00:54:18.333 --> 00:54:21.367
uh, when I went home, I got

1406
00:54:21.433 --> 00:54:22.900
sick somehow or another, I was

1407
00:54:22.967 --> 00:54:26.734
doing a lot of vomiting.

1408
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:28.400
>> It's, like, "Okay, let's say

1409
00:54:28.467 --> 00:54:29.533
he is crazy.

1410
00:54:29.600 --> 00:54:31.533
That's a dangerous dialogue."

1411
00:54:34.066 --> 00:54:37.033
We never expected, again, to get

1412
00:54:37.100 --> 00:54:40.133
to where we ended up, because we

1413
00:54:40.200 --> 00:54:41.667
thought at some point, he would

1414
00:54:41.734 --> 00:54:43.834
say, "Look, this is what I'm...

1415
00:54:43.900 --> 00:54:45.633
This is all a charade."

1416
00:54:47.834 --> 00:54:49.633
>> Director Mueller was being

1417
00:54:49.700 --> 00:54:50.867
briefed daily.

1418
00:54:50.934 --> 00:54:51.633
And we knew that this was

1419
00:54:51.700 --> 00:54:52.633
included in his presidential

1420
00:54:52.700 --> 00:54:54.133
briefs.

1421
00:54:54.200 --> 00:54:55.400
That brief is, "Look, there's a

1422
00:54:55.467 --> 00:54:57.667
group of kids in Miami-Dade that

1423
00:54:57.734 --> 00:54:59.900
formed an organization, that

1424
00:54:59.967 --> 00:55:00.934
want to align themselves with

1425
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:02.934
Al-Qaeda to start a war in the

1426
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:04.667
United States."

1427
00:55:06.233 --> 00:55:07.533
>> The prosecutors wanted more

1428
00:55:07.600 --> 00:55:09.400
overt acts.

1429
00:55:09.467 --> 00:55:11.700
So anytime there's a conspiracy

1430
00:55:11.767 --> 00:55:13.333
involved, you have to have overt

1431
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:14.967
acts in furtherance of that

1432
00:55:15.033 --> 00:55:16.433
conspiracy.

1433
00:55:16.900 --> 00:55:19.567
Anything that a prosecutor could

1434
00:55:19.633 --> 00:55:22.300
use as evidence to convince a

1435
00:55:22.367 --> 00:55:24.066
judge or jury that these people

1436
00:55:24.133 --> 00:55:25.667
were serious.

1437
00:55:25.734 --> 00:55:28.100
>> A conversation is an act.

1438
00:55:28.166 --> 00:55:30.433
So, uh, you don't need to pick

1439
00:55:30.500 --> 00:55:33.433
up a gun or, or let off a bomb

1440
00:55:33.500 --> 00:55:34.967
or make a bomb for it to be an

1441
00:55:35.033 --> 00:55:37.033
overt act.

1442
00:55:37.100 --> 00:55:38.867
I think the idea came from the

1443
00:55:38.934 --> 00:55:41.800
FBI through C.I.A., and the idea

1444
00:55:41.867 --> 00:55:44.100
was to have some sort of formal

1445
00:55:44.166 --> 00:55:45.934
allegiance, some pledge to

1446
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:47.467
Al-Qaeda, to see if they went

1447
00:55:47.533 --> 00:55:50.166
forward with it.

1448
00:55:50.233 --> 00:55:52.734
>> The idea was introduced to

1449
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.266
further test their commitment to

1450
00:55:55.333 --> 00:55:57.200
their interest in aligning with

1451
00:55:57.266 --> 00:55:59.467
Al-Qaeda by saying, "Well, look,

1452
00:55:59.533 --> 00:56:00.867
you have to take an oath of

1453
00:56:00.934 --> 00:56:02.700
loyalty."

1454
00:56:04.734 --> 00:56:07.300
♪ ♪

1455
00:56:07.367 --> 00:56:09.800
>> Assaad came by the temple.

1456
00:56:09.867 --> 00:56:10.900
He says, "The reason why I hold

1457
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:12.033
back the money from you is

1458
00:56:12.100 --> 00:56:12.967
because you don't have a

1459
00:56:13.033 --> 00:56:14.033
commitment."

1460
00:56:14.100 --> 00:56:15.033
I said, "Well, what do you

1461
00:56:15.100 --> 00:56:16.033
mean?"

1462
00:56:16.100 --> 00:56:17.033
He says, "We gotta have some

1463
00:56:17.100 --> 00:56:17.900
type of commitment between us."

1464
00:56:17.967 --> 00:56:20.166
And he didn't call it an oath or

1465
00:56:20.233 --> 00:56:22.233
any, uh, swearing allegiance to

1466
00:56:22.300 --> 00:56:24.266
any organization or anything.

1467
00:56:24.333 --> 00:56:26.567
He says, "Just a commitment."

1468
00:56:26.633 --> 00:56:27.834
So he says, "Well, we have to

1469
00:56:27.900 --> 00:56:28.767
meet and we have to discuss

1470
00:56:28.834 --> 00:56:30.967
this commitment some more and

1471
00:56:31.033 --> 00:56:33.000
then we can proceed further."

1472
00:56:36.233 --> 00:56:38.300
I drove to his location and he

1473
00:56:38.367 --> 00:56:39.467
got in the car and he pulled out

1474
00:56:39.533 --> 00:56:40.600
this piece of paper and he says,

1475
00:56:40.667 --> 00:56:42.100
"This is the commitment or the

1476
00:56:42.166 --> 00:56:43.867
oath that I need you to read."

1477
00:57:05.367 --> 00:57:08.033
>> Listen, if, if you're not a

1478
00:57:08.100 --> 00:57:08.934
hundred percent on board with

1479
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:10.834
this, here's your, here's your

1480
00:57:10.900 --> 00:57:12.967
chance to get out.

1481
00:57:13.033 --> 00:57:14.233
Here's your chance to get out.

1482
00:57:14.300 --> 00:57:16.300
>> And so eventually, I read it.

1483
00:57:31.100 --> 00:57:32.667
>> I felt like it was stupid.

1484
00:57:32.734 --> 00:57:34.000
I didn't feel like it was a real

1485
00:57:34.066 --> 00:57:35.400
Al-Qaeda oath.

1486
00:57:35.467 --> 00:57:36.834
Um, usually, when somebody

1487
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:37.867
wants you to swear allegiance to

1488
00:57:37.934 --> 00:57:40.600
a dangerous organization, it's

1489
00:57:40.667 --> 00:57:42.667
gonna be something, some type

1490
00:57:42.734 --> 00:57:43.600
of dramatic thing-- they ain't

1491
00:57:43.667 --> 00:57:44.633
gonna actually read from no

1492
00:57:44.700 --> 00:57:45.734
piece of paper.

1493
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:46.767
They're gonna probably, you

1494
00:57:46.834 --> 00:57:48.100
know, do something crazy to you

1495
00:57:48.166 --> 00:57:49.800
or have you do something crazy.

1496
00:57:49.867 --> 00:57:51.467
>> Were you not worried that

1497
00:57:51.533 --> 00:57:52.500
this could all catch up with you

1498
00:57:52.567 --> 00:57:53.467
very quickly?

1499
00:57:53.533 --> 00:57:55.467
>> Of course I was worried.

1500
00:57:55.533 --> 00:57:56.900
>> And yet...

1501
00:57:56.967 --> 00:57:58.200
>> Yet I thought I could still,

1502
00:57:58.266 --> 00:58:00.834
uh, make this deal go through.

1503
00:58:25.834 --> 00:58:27.200
>> The direction that was given

1504
00:58:27.266 --> 00:58:28.567
was, if, if Batiste takes the

1505
00:58:28.633 --> 00:58:33.934
oath, then you tell him that all

1506
00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:34.967
of the members of his

1507
00:58:35.033 --> 00:58:36.066
organization have to take the

1508
00:58:36.133 --> 00:58:37.400
oath.

1509
00:58:37.467 --> 00:58:38.633
So, this was already

1510
00:58:38.700 --> 00:58:39.133
pre-planned.

1511
00:58:51.433 --> 00:58:52.300
I felt like I was getting deeper

1512
00:58:52.367 --> 00:58:55.367
into a trap.

1513
00:58:55.433 --> 00:58:56.700
That I might not be able to get

1514
00:58:56.767 --> 00:58:57.567
myself out of this trap if I

1515
00:58:57.633 --> 00:58:59.333
play this game even further.

1516
00:58:59.834 --> 00:59:04.800
♪ ♪

1517
00:59:04.867 --> 00:59:05.800
>> The approach that we took was

1518
00:59:05.867 --> 00:59:08.734
to create a platform to capture

1519
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:10.433
conversations with the group.

1520
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:14.367
That particular area where their

1521
00:59:14.433 --> 00:59:16.367
warehouse was was incredibly

1522
00:59:16.433 --> 00:59:18.367
difficult to surveil.

1523
00:59:18.433 --> 00:59:20.800
It was a high drug trafficking

1524
00:59:20.867 --> 00:59:23.433
area.

1525
00:59:23.500 --> 00:59:24.934
So, we looked at telling

1526
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.333
Batiste, "Hey, listen, one of

1527
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:29.200
the things we can do is, we

1528
00:59:29.266 --> 00:59:30.633
could get you a better training

1529
00:59:30.700 --> 00:59:31.467
facility."

1530
00:59:31.533 --> 00:59:35.700
♪ ♪

1531
00:59:35.767 --> 00:59:37.233
The idea came up, renting a

1532
00:59:37.300 --> 00:59:40.834
warehouse, pre-wiring it, so we

1533
00:59:40.900 --> 00:59:43.233
could capture audio and video.

1534
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:45.066
Then take that warehouse and

1535
00:59:45.133 --> 00:59:46.967
identify three other warehouses,

1536
00:59:47.033 --> 00:59:48.433
and tell Batiste, "Hey, listen,

1537
00:59:48.500 --> 00:59:50.100
let's go, look at some

1538
00:59:50.166 --> 00:59:52.467
warehouses."

1539
01:00:04.867 --> 01:00:06.567
>> I was told by Assaad, "I got

1540
01:00:06.633 --> 01:00:07.934
a warehouse.

1541
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:09.066
And we need to go look at one,

1542
01:00:09.133 --> 01:00:10.033
you can pick out any one, and

1543
01:00:10.100 --> 01:00:11.367
we'll just give it to you.

1544
01:00:11.433 --> 01:00:13.166
And that'll be a part of the

1545
01:00:13.233 --> 01:00:15.100
financial help that we'll give

1546
01:00:15.166 --> 01:00:16.633
you."

1547
01:00:24.100 --> 01:00:25.233
>> I mean, this isn't rocket

1548
01:00:25.300 --> 01:00:26.233
science.

1549
01:00:26.300 --> 01:00:27.734
We got a really nice warehouse.

1550
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:29.633
It's a Bentley of warehouses,

1551
01:00:29.700 --> 01:00:31.000
and then two other warehouses

1552
01:00:31.066 --> 01:00:32.133
that, you know, you wouldn't

1553
01:00:32.200 --> 01:00:34.433
even wanna, you know, burn for

1554
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:35.867
insurance money.

1555
01:00:35.934 --> 01:00:37.166
The question is posed to

1556
01:00:37.233 --> 01:00:38.233
Batiste, "Which warehouse do you

1557
01:00:38.300 --> 01:00:40.200
want?"

1558
01:00:48.834 --> 01:00:51.500
>> We picked the one the FBI

1559
01:00:51.567 --> 01:00:53.300
wanted us to pick.

1560
01:00:53.367 --> 01:00:55.567
How, how much control is...

1561
01:00:55.633 --> 01:00:57.066
That's why I'm tripping.

1562
01:00:57.133 --> 01:00:59.433
The one we pick, we pick, is the

1563
01:00:59.500 --> 01:01:00.900
one they had set up that they

1564
01:01:00.967 --> 01:01:02.400
wanted us to pick so they'll...

1565
01:01:02.467 --> 01:01:04.133
This is how so much it was

1566
01:01:04.200 --> 01:01:05.266
over our head-- they knew how to

1567
01:01:05.333 --> 01:01:06.467
make us pick what they wanted

1568
01:01:06.533 --> 01:01:10.066
us to pick.

1569
01:01:10.133 --> 01:01:12.266
>> There was a boat in there.

1570
01:01:12.333 --> 01:01:14.200
There was a van in there.

1571
01:01:14.266 --> 01:01:15.266
They both had keys, both had

1572
01:01:15.333 --> 01:01:16.500
deeds in them.

1573
01:01:16.567 --> 01:01:18.500
It was all ours.

1574
01:01:18.567 --> 01:01:20.500
There was a, a refrigerator

1575
01:01:20.567 --> 01:01:21.767
filled with fish and all type of

1576
01:01:21.834 --> 01:01:22.867
seafood.

1577
01:01:22.934 --> 01:01:25.300
Like, ten pounds of shrimp.

1578
01:01:25.367 --> 01:01:26.667
I was, like, "Wow.

1579
01:01:26.734 --> 01:01:27.800
Somebody just bought this.

1580
01:01:27.867 --> 01:01:31.066
It was fresh."

1581
01:01:31.133 --> 01:01:33.033
>> And we flipped the switch.

1582
01:01:33.100 --> 01:01:34.166
We got a Title III wiretap

1583
01:01:34.233 --> 01:01:35.333
intercept.

1584
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.433
Okay, let's see what happens.

1585
01:01:43.667 --> 01:01:45.233
>> It was huge.

1586
01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:46.433
You know, so we had places for

1587
01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:48.000
bunks, places to work out,

1588
01:01:48.066 --> 01:01:49.867
places to store our equipment.

1589
01:01:49.934 --> 01:01:51.300
It was an office in the front.

1590
01:01:51.367 --> 01:01:52.700
So even for us, it was, like,

1591
01:01:52.767 --> 01:01:55.867
whoa, this would be a step up.

1592
01:02:01.367 --> 01:02:27.000
(laughing)

1593
01:02:27.066 --> 01:02:28.100
>> Did you talk to the brothers

1594
01:02:28.166 --> 01:02:29.900
about this?

1595
01:02:29.967 --> 01:02:33.734
>> Uh, in part.

1596
01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:35.633
In part.

1597
01:02:35.700 --> 01:02:37.133
>> Do you feel you were being

1598
01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:38.433
honest with the brothers at this

1599
01:02:38.500 --> 01:02:39.633
point?

1600
01:02:39.700 --> 01:02:40.900
>> In terms of holding back

1601
01:02:40.967 --> 01:02:41.834
information?

1602
01:02:41.900 --> 01:02:42.667
>> Yeah.

1603
01:02:42.734 --> 01:02:43.567
>> Yeah, I held back

1604
01:02:43.633 --> 01:02:44.567
information.

1605
01:02:44.633 --> 01:02:45.633
>> Why?

1606
01:02:45.700 --> 01:02:46.834
>> Uh, I felt like they would

1607
01:02:46.900 --> 01:02:47.967
have judged the situation to be

1608
01:02:48.033 --> 01:02:49.567
not worth it.

1609
01:02:49.633 --> 01:02:51.533
And we could lose out on an

1610
01:02:51.600 --> 01:02:52.633
opportunity that we've already

1611
01:02:52.700 --> 01:03:07.033
worked ourselves into.

1612
01:03:07.100 --> 01:03:27.533
♪ ♪

1613
01:03:27.600 --> 01:03:30.266
♪ ♪

1614
01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:40.200
>> Naz was telling us already

1615
01:03:40.266 --> 01:03:41.133
that, "Don't worry about what

1616
01:03:41.200 --> 01:03:42.133
this guy is saying.

1617
01:03:42.200 --> 01:03:45.200
It's just all bull(bleep)."

1618
01:03:45.266 --> 01:03:46.700
'Cause before then, we came from

1619
01:03:46.767 --> 01:03:49.467
a construction site.

1620
01:03:49.533 --> 01:03:50.967
Before we went in here that day,

1621
01:03:51.033 --> 01:03:53.967
we came off of doing a job.

1622
01:03:58.333 --> 01:03:59.133
>> I didn't give a (bleep) what

1623
01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:00.000
he was.

1624
01:04:00.066 --> 01:04:00.834
>> Really?

1625
01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:01.800
>> I really didn't, that's what

1626
01:04:01.867 --> 01:04:02.900
I'm trying to get you to, I

1627
01:04:02.967 --> 01:04:03.900
don't give a (bleep).

1628
01:04:03.967 --> 01:04:04.767
We grew up from... nothing.

1629
01:04:04.834 --> 01:04:05.734
We grew up from watching people

1630
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.033
that we love die, get shot in

1631
01:04:07.100 --> 01:04:08.300
the street.

1632
01:04:08.367 --> 01:04:09.567
We didn't grow up where

1633
01:04:09.633 --> 01:04:10.600
everybody talked their way out

1634
01:04:10.667 --> 01:04:11.667
of trouble.

1635
01:04:11.734 --> 01:04:12.867
We grew up, everybody got killed

1636
01:04:12.934 --> 01:04:14.633
or got sent to jail.

1637
01:04:14.700 --> 01:04:16.233
So it's, like, our way of life

1638
01:04:16.300 --> 01:04:18.000
was if he didn't...

1639
01:04:18.066 --> 01:04:19.867
If we didn't see him display

1640
01:04:19.934 --> 01:04:21.033
this type of violence, then

1641
01:04:21.100 --> 01:04:22.467
he's not on it.

1642
01:04:22.533 --> 01:04:23.867
He's not, he's just talking.

1643
01:04:23.934 --> 01:04:26.033
And he's full of (bleep).

1644
01:04:27.300 --> 01:04:44.533
♪ ♪

1645
01:04:44.600 --> 01:04:46.467
♪ ♪

1646
01:04:46.533 --> 01:04:48.467
>> The scenario was: Batiste

1647
01:04:48.533 --> 01:04:50.433
would bring them in and each one

1648
01:04:50.500 --> 01:04:52.934
would have to take the oath.

1649
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:54.600
Not as a group.

1650
01:04:54.667 --> 01:04:57.600
Again, the reason for that is,

1651
01:04:57.667 --> 01:05:01.433
maybe somebody is in that group,

1652
01:05:01.500 --> 01:05:04.367
and they're not saying anything,

1653
01:05:04.433 --> 01:05:05.734
but they're, like, "I..."

1654
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:07.600
You know, "I, I draw the line

1655
01:05:07.667 --> 01:05:08.633
here."

1656
01:05:31.233 --> 01:05:32.233
>> I told them that he had some

1657
01:05:32.300 --> 01:05:33.467
silly commitment that he was

1658
01:05:33.533 --> 01:05:34.734
asking us to read, but don't

1659
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:36.033
take it serious.

1660
01:05:36.100 --> 01:05:37.200
>> Batiste already spoke to us,

1661
01:05:37.266 --> 01:05:38.367
that's, no matter what's going

1662
01:05:38.433 --> 01:05:39.400
on, he's just trying to get some

1663
01:05:39.467 --> 01:05:40.500
money, to just, don't say

1664
01:05:40.567 --> 01:05:42.567
nothing and just back him up.

1665
01:05:42.633 --> 01:05:44.667
>> Okay.

1666
01:05:49.700 --> 01:05:50.567
>> And I can't really tell you

1667
01:05:50.633 --> 01:05:52.400
detail of how it transferred to

1668
01:05:52.467 --> 01:05:54.066
the whole oath thing.

1669
01:05:54.133 --> 01:05:55.633
I just know it happened.

1670
01:05:55.700 --> 01:05:56.533
'Cause during this whole time,

1671
01:05:56.600 --> 01:05:57.967
I'm getting high like a

1672
01:05:58.033 --> 01:05:59.667
mother(bleep).

1673
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:45.033
When he says that, I looked

1674
01:06:45.100 --> 01:06:46.300
towards Batiste, I was, like,

1675
01:06:46.367 --> 01:06:47.800
"Hey, uh, Batiste, is this cool,

1676
01:06:47.867 --> 01:06:49.734
or this, this all right, man?"

1677
01:06:55.300 --> 01:06:56.967
>> We, like, gritting our teeth

1678
01:06:57.033 --> 01:06:57.900
and we, like, we put our hands

1679
01:06:57.967 --> 01:06:58.900
up.

1680
01:06:58.967 --> 01:07:13.734
You know, we backing up our man.

1681
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:22.333
>> That's crazy, man.

1682
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:23.967
>> Meanwhile, I was in the

1683
01:07:24.033 --> 01:07:24.900
background just giving the

1684
01:07:24.967 --> 01:07:25.934
brothers the eye wink for

1685
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:27.667
assurance, like, this is just...

1686
01:07:27.734 --> 01:07:28.867
This ain't real, it's just a

1687
01:07:28.934 --> 01:07:37.467
game.

1688
01:07:37.533 --> 01:07:46.400
(indistinct).

1689
01:07:46.467 --> 01:07:48.233
>> Okay.

1690
01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:49.467
>> We barely had time to even

1691
01:07:49.533 --> 01:07:51.667
think, and who gives oaths to

1692
01:07:51.734 --> 01:07:55.467
Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda?

1693
01:07:55.533 --> 01:07:57.000
That (bleep) is for the movies.

1694
01:07:57.066 --> 01:07:58.767
This is what we see on TV.

1695
01:07:58.834 --> 01:08:00.333
It's not-- even if it was real,

1696
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:01.767
it wasn't real.

1697
01:08:01.834 --> 01:08:02.934
'Cause it doesn't happen where

1698
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:20.800
we come from.

1699
01:08:20.867 --> 01:08:22.400
>> Once everyone took the oath,

1700
01:08:22.467 --> 01:08:23.967
Elie Assaad was instructed to

1701
01:08:24.033 --> 01:08:28.333
introduce a plot by Al-Qaeda to

1702
01:08:28.400 --> 01:08:29.967
blow up five FBI offices, Miami

1703
01:08:30.033 --> 01:08:31.800
being one of them.

1704
01:08:31.867 --> 01:08:34.200
And that Al-Qaeda would like

1705
01:08:34.266 --> 01:08:36.300
some assistance in doing

1706
01:08:36.367 --> 01:08:37.834
reconnaissance and surveillance

1707
01:08:37.900 --> 01:08:39.533
and other things.

1708
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:41.867
And then provide a video camera.

1709
01:09:30.934 --> 01:09:33.066
Even though it didn't make sense

1710
01:09:33.133 --> 01:09:38.033
to me, I was more focused on...

1711
01:09:38.100 --> 01:09:40.000
Batiste.

1712
01:09:40.300 --> 01:09:43.233
That moment, I felt betrayed.

1713
01:09:43.300 --> 01:09:45.166
I felt betrayed.

1714
01:09:45.233 --> 01:09:47.800
And, and honestly, that was

1715
01:09:47.867 --> 01:09:48.900
the one time I should not have

1716
01:09:48.967 --> 01:09:50.367
hold my composure, because that

1717
01:09:50.433 --> 01:09:52.100
time, I really wanted to punch

1718
01:09:52.166 --> 01:09:53.967
him in the face.

1719
01:09:54.033 --> 01:09:55.333
>> I'm thinking, this, this

1720
01:09:55.400 --> 01:09:56.700
straight bullcrap.

1721
01:09:56.767 --> 01:09:58.667
This straight bullcrap.

1722
01:10:06.333 --> 01:10:08.734
>> I felt really like Batiste

1723
01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:10.433
crossed the line.

1724
01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:12.233
So, after everything finished

1725
01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:14.166
happening, I took my wife, my

1726
01:10:14.233 --> 01:10:15.433
kids, I took my kids out of

1727
01:10:15.500 --> 01:10:17.133
school, rented a rental car, and

1728
01:10:17.200 --> 01:10:18.934
left.

1729
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.233
>> That soiled us to a point

1730
01:10:20.300 --> 01:10:22.900
where...

1731
01:10:22.967 --> 01:10:24.033
I don't know if we, we would

1732
01:10:24.100 --> 01:10:25.967
have, we was able to come back

1733
01:10:26.033 --> 01:10:27.734
from that, that night, 'cause

1734
01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:29.900
we started to lose respect for,

1735
01:10:29.967 --> 01:10:31.166
you know, not just ourselves,

1736
01:10:31.233 --> 01:10:32.834
but for Batiste and for what we

1737
01:10:32.900 --> 01:10:34.633
was doing and...

1738
01:10:34.700 --> 01:10:35.800
It's, it was, it was ugly.

1739
01:10:35.867 --> 01:10:37.633
It was ugly.

1740
01:10:37.700 --> 01:10:39.166
>> They were very disappointed

1741
01:10:39.233 --> 01:10:41.166
in themselves, as well as

1742
01:10:41.233 --> 01:10:43.300
disappointed in me.

1743
01:10:43.367 --> 01:10:45.133
That all this had to happen from

1744
01:10:45.200 --> 01:10:50.800
just one single thought of, what

1745
01:10:50.867 --> 01:10:52.633
about if we can scam money out

1746
01:10:52.700 --> 01:10:55.166
of these people?

1747
01:10:55.233 --> 01:10:56.567
It was just a nasty deal, a

1748
01:10:56.633 --> 01:10:58.600
nasty scam, that nobody really

1749
01:10:58.667 --> 01:11:00.500
liked.

1750
01:11:00.567 --> 01:11:04.467
♪ ♪

1751
01:11:10.433 --> 01:11:12.700
Assaad had rented a van for us.

1752
01:11:12.767 --> 01:11:13.834
'Cause I told him I didn't have

1753
01:11:13.900 --> 01:11:16.066
any transportation or anything.

1754
01:11:16.133 --> 01:11:18.000
I figured that if I just ride

1755
01:11:18.066 --> 01:11:19.300
around with a camera in my hand

1756
01:11:19.367 --> 01:11:20.700
and then say it's all I'm gonna

1757
01:11:20.767 --> 01:11:23.633
do, that would satisfy as far as

1758
01:11:23.700 --> 01:11:25.133
the end of my hustle and my

1759
01:11:25.200 --> 01:11:26.433
scam.

1760
01:11:26.500 --> 01:11:29.734
♪ ♪

1761
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:31.567
>> Batiste, he, like, "Man,

1762
01:11:31.633 --> 01:11:32.934
these pictures right here, you

1763
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:36.133
can get these pictures online,

1764
01:11:36.200 --> 01:11:37.600
you know, we gonna just give it

1765
01:11:37.667 --> 01:11:38.700
to him, and this is the last bit

1766
01:11:38.767 --> 01:11:40.934
we have to ever do, to deal with

1767
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:42.567
this guy.

1768
01:11:42.633 --> 01:11:43.233
You know? This is it.

1769
01:11:43.300 --> 01:11:46.533
It's over."

1770
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:47.667
>> Assaad said, "You do this one

1771
01:11:47.734 --> 01:11:48.967
more project for me, take the

1772
01:11:49.033 --> 01:11:50.166
picture, I'll give you the

1773
01:11:50.233 --> 01:11:51.667
money."

1774
01:11:51.734 --> 01:11:53.500
It was $50,000, too.

1775
01:11:53.567 --> 01:11:55.166
>> Do you know why he wanted

1776
01:11:55.233 --> 01:11:56.300
pictures of those buildings?

1777
01:11:56.367 --> 01:11:57.266
>> Oh, yeah, he wanted to blow

1778
01:11:57.333 --> 01:11:58.300
them up, oh, yeah.

1779
01:11:58.367 --> 01:11:59.433
That was no secret.

1780
01:11:59.500 --> 01:12:00.967
>> Did that bother you?

1781
01:12:01.033 --> 01:12:04.667
>> No and yeah, because...

1782
01:12:04.734 --> 01:12:08.633
I didn't believe it.

1783
01:12:08.700 --> 01:12:10.700
I didn't believe it.

1784
01:12:10.767 --> 01:12:11.767
♪ ♪

1785
01:12:11.834 --> 01:12:13.000
>> You know, I'm not scared as

1786
01:12:13.066 --> 01:12:14.033
thinking there's a real

1787
01:12:14.100 --> 01:12:15.467
terrorist group, really wants

1788
01:12:15.533 --> 01:12:16.834
some pictures of federal

1789
01:12:16.900 --> 01:12:18.300
buildings.

1790
01:12:18.367 --> 01:12:19.233
You know, I'm not scared of

1791
01:12:19.300 --> 01:12:20.467
that, 'cause this guy is not no

1792
01:12:20.533 --> 01:12:22.667
(bleep) terrorist.

1793
01:12:22.734 --> 01:12:24.734
Assaad.

1794
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:25.800
You know, I was trying to put

1795
01:12:25.867 --> 01:12:26.934
him together-- why is he doing

1796
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:29.367
this?

1797
01:12:29.433 --> 01:12:30.533
My mind can't see that it's the

1798
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:33.567
Feds that's pulling the strings.

1799
01:12:33.633 --> 01:12:35.333
I can't imagine, you know, a

1800
01:12:35.400 --> 01:12:37.300
government agency put this

1801
01:12:37.367 --> 01:12:39.834
together.

1802
01:12:39.900 --> 01:12:41.667
♪ ♪

1803
01:12:41.734 --> 01:12:43.166
>> They take footage of the U.S.

1804
01:12:43.233 --> 01:12:45.967
attorney's office in Miami.

1805
01:12:46.033 --> 01:12:47.367
And I believe they took footage

1806
01:12:47.433 --> 01:12:51.900
of the Miami Police Department.

1807
01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:53.300
We had only asked for

1808
01:12:53.367 --> 01:12:54.700
reconnaissance on the FBI

1809
01:12:54.767 --> 01:12:56.133
office.

1810
01:12:56.200 --> 01:12:58.467
Um, and then they provided that,

1811
01:12:58.533 --> 01:13:01.800
that video footage to, to

1812
01:13:01.867 --> 01:13:03.633
Assaad.

1813
01:13:23.400 --> 01:13:24.333
>> They could have gone to

1814
01:13:24.400 --> 01:13:25.066
Walmart and took a picture of

1815
01:13:25.133 --> 01:13:26.266
the back.

1816
01:13:26.333 --> 01:13:27.367
So, they could have done a

1817
01:13:27.433 --> 01:13:28.567
number of things, even at that

1818
01:13:28.633 --> 01:13:31.000
point in the investigation, but

1819
01:13:31.066 --> 01:13:32.200
they didn't.

1820
01:13:32.266 --> 01:13:33.734
What they did was, they gave who

1821
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:36.967
they thought to be an Al-Qaeda

1822
01:13:37.033 --> 01:13:39.133
operative exactly what he had

1823
01:13:39.200 --> 01:13:41.000
asked for.

1824
01:13:54.133 --> 01:13:56.767
>> Batiste is mentally competent

1825
01:13:56.834 --> 01:14:02.300
to represent a threat that would

1826
01:14:02.367 --> 01:14:04.767
be of interest to somebody like

1827
01:14:04.834 --> 01:14:06.900
Al-Qaeda or ISIS, you know.

1828
01:14:06.967 --> 01:14:10.100
They, they'd love to identify

1829
01:14:10.166 --> 01:14:12.867
people like this.

1830
01:14:29.734 --> 01:14:30.667
>> And I'm not suggesting that

1831
01:14:30.734 --> 01:14:31.667
they're gonna recruit him to put

1832
01:14:31.734 --> 01:14:32.700
a backpack filled with

1833
01:14:32.767 --> 01:14:33.700
explosives and walk into a mall.

1834
01:14:33.767 --> 01:14:35.433
The fact that he's willing to

1835
01:14:35.500 --> 01:14:38.033
assist in a conspiracy to blow

1836
01:14:38.100 --> 01:14:39.100
up a building in the United

1837
01:14:39.166 --> 01:14:41.800
States is no less dangerous.

1838
01:14:41.867 --> 01:14:43.266
Whether that's acquiring SIM

1839
01:14:43.333 --> 01:14:46.433
cards, or checking out library

1840
01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:51.133
books, stealing a car, on its

1841
01:14:51.200 --> 01:14:52.834
own, it's, doesn't seem like

1842
01:14:52.900 --> 01:14:54.133
much.

1843
01:14:54.200 --> 01:14:56.800
But if the ultimate purpose is

1844
01:14:56.867 --> 01:14:58.033
to conduct a terrorist attack,

1845
01:14:58.100 --> 01:14:59.700
well, then, yeah, I think he

1846
01:14:59.767 --> 01:15:02.133
does represent a threat.

1847
01:15:03.467 --> 01:15:06.133
♪ ♪

1848
01:15:10.400 --> 01:15:11.767
(camera shutter clicks)

1849
01:15:11.834 --> 01:15:13.467
So the decision was made that we

1850
01:15:13.533 --> 01:15:16.300
were going to indict Batiste,

1851
01:15:16.367 --> 01:15:17.700
the other six members of his

1852
01:15:17.767 --> 01:15:21.867
group, and arrest them.

1853
01:15:21.934 --> 01:15:22.900
One of the things that they did

1854
01:15:22.967 --> 01:15:24.166
to earn a living was, they did

1855
01:15:24.233 --> 01:15:26.467
stucco for buildings.

1856
01:15:26.533 --> 01:15:30.100
And so, we called a contact that

1857
01:15:30.166 --> 01:15:33.266
has several rental properties in

1858
01:15:33.333 --> 01:15:35.000
Miami and says, "Would you call

1859
01:15:35.066 --> 01:15:36.100
these guys and see if you could

1860
01:15:36.166 --> 01:15:37.467
hire them to do some stucco

1861
01:15:37.533 --> 01:15:40.066
work for you?"

1862
01:15:40.133 --> 01:15:41.867
My understanding is, they were

1863
01:15:41.934 --> 01:15:43.467
actually on ladders when they

1864
01:15:43.533 --> 01:15:46.533
were arrested by the SWAT team.

1865
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:49.266
♪ ♪

1866
01:15:49.333 --> 01:15:50.667
>> Breaking news out of Miami.

1867
01:15:50.734 --> 01:15:51.967
Anti-terrorism raids by the FBI,

1868
01:15:52.033 --> 01:15:53.533
as well as state and local

1869
01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:54.767
police.

1870
01:15:54.834 --> 01:15:56.133
Seven people right now are under

1871
01:15:56.200 --> 01:15:57.166
arrest.

1872
01:15:57.233 --> 01:15:58.867
>> I had Minerva there, I had my

1873
01:15:58.934 --> 01:16:00.133
daughter Narcassia, and my son

1874
01:16:00.200 --> 01:16:02.000
Prince.

1875
01:16:02.066 --> 01:16:03.433
And they told me and my family

1876
01:16:03.500 --> 01:16:04.667
to get on the ground.

1877
01:16:04.734 --> 01:16:05.600
They all, they held machine

1878
01:16:05.667 --> 01:16:06.734
guns to my kids' and my wife's

1879
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.633
head and my head.

1880
01:16:09.700 --> 01:16:11.066
>> I was scared for my life or

1881
01:16:11.133 --> 01:16:12.700
they would shoot us.

1882
01:16:13.300 --> 01:16:15.200
They had guns drawn at us,

1883
01:16:15.266 --> 01:16:17.500
pointing at my children.

1884
01:16:17.567 --> 01:16:18.500
I thought it was just something

1885
01:16:18.567 --> 01:16:20.467
of, as, a ticket he hadn't

1886
01:16:20.533 --> 01:16:22.867
paid, or, or maybe a violation

1887
01:16:22.934 --> 01:16:25.333
he had made somewhere.

1888
01:16:25.400 --> 01:16:27.600
>> It was, like, 50 agents.

1889
01:16:27.667 --> 01:16:29.066
They swarmed around me real

1890
01:16:29.133 --> 01:16:30.400
quick.

1891
01:16:30.467 --> 01:16:31.567
They were, like, "Get on the

1892
01:16:31.633 --> 01:16:32.600
ground, get on the (bleep)

1893
01:16:32.667 --> 01:16:33.600
ground!

1894
01:16:33.667 --> 01:16:34.800
Get on the (bleep) ground."

1895
01:16:34.867 --> 01:16:37.367
I said, "(bleep)!"

1896
01:16:37.433 --> 01:16:38.367
I'm thinking of everything I did

1897
01:16:38.433 --> 01:16:39.600
back in the day.

1898
01:16:39.667 --> 01:16:40.567
I'm, like, "Damn, they caught up

1899
01:16:40.633 --> 01:16:41.400
with me."

1900
01:16:41.467 --> 01:16:43.433
And then the oath and then the

1901
01:16:43.500 --> 01:16:44.734
pictures and everything flashed

1902
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:45.934
in my mind, I'm, like, "It was a

1903
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:47.400
setup."

1904
01:16:47.467 --> 01:16:48.834
>> Breaking news tonight,

1905
01:16:48.900 --> 01:16:50.667
terror-related arrests in Miami.

1906
01:16:50.734 --> 01:16:52.100
>> FBI agents swoop in on a

1907
01:16:52.166 --> 01:16:53.233
Liberty City neighborhood to

1908
01:16:53.300 --> 01:16:54.667
foil an alleged plot to commit

1909
01:16:54.734 --> 01:16:55.967
terror acts in Miami and

1910
01:16:56.033 --> 01:16:57.133
Chicago.

1911
01:16:57.200 --> 01:16:58.433
>> I see my brother on

1912
01:16:58.500 --> 01:17:00.934
television saying he's a, a

1913
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:02.000
terrorist.

1914
01:17:02.066 --> 01:17:02.967
>> Investigators say one of the

1915
01:17:03.033 --> 01:17:04.600
seven, Narseal Batiste, was the

1916
01:17:04.667 --> 01:17:05.734
ringleader.

1917
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.367
>> "Ringleader"?!

1918
01:17:07.433 --> 01:17:09.233
I said, "A ringleader?!"

1919
01:17:09.300 --> 01:17:10.834
Oh, my God.

1920
01:17:10.900 --> 01:17:11.800
I said, "This boy can't even put

1921
01:17:11.867 --> 01:17:12.834
cows in the pasture, how's he a

1922
01:17:12.900 --> 01:17:14.467
ringleader?"

1923
01:17:14.533 --> 01:17:16.400
I'm, like, this is no way, and I

1924
01:17:16.467 --> 01:17:17.567
mean, I was so hurt.

1925
01:17:17.633 --> 01:17:18.734
I just fell to my knees and I

1926
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:19.900
started crying, because I'm,

1927
01:17:19.967 --> 01:17:22.533
like, "This is not true.

1928
01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:24.066
This is not my brother."

1929
01:17:24.133 --> 01:17:25.166
>> We now go back to Larry

1930
01:17:25.233 --> 01:17:26.200
King's exclusive interview with

1931
01:17:26.266 --> 01:17:27.266
the director of the FBI, Robert

1932
01:17:27.333 --> 01:17:28.533
Mueller.

1933
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:29.533
>> Federal agents are conducting

1934
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:30.834
a terrorism-related

1935
01:17:30.900 --> 01:17:32.700
investigation in Liberty City.

1936
01:17:32.767 --> 01:17:33.667
That's an area of the city of

1937
01:17:33.734 --> 01:17:34.600
Miami.

1938
01:17:34.667 --> 01:17:35.800
What can you tell us?

1939
01:17:35.867 --> 01:17:37.000
>> I can tell you that we do

1940
01:17:37.066 --> 01:17:38.600
have ongoing operation in, in

1941
01:17:38.667 --> 01:17:39.533
Miami.

1942
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:40.467
We are conducting a, a number of

1943
01:17:40.533 --> 01:17:42.300
arrests and searches.

1944
01:17:42.367 --> 01:17:43.800
>> Big concern?

1945
01:17:43.867 --> 01:17:45.200
>> Whenever we undertake an

1946
01:17:45.266 --> 01:17:46.333
operation like this, we would

1947
01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:47.533
not do it without the approval

1948
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:48.600
of a judge.

1949
01:17:48.667 --> 01:17:49.433
We've got search warrants and

1950
01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:50.333
arrest warrants and the like,

1951
01:17:50.400 --> 01:17:56.066
and so, yes, it's a concern.

1952
01:17:56.133 --> 01:18:00.467
(siren blaring)

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>> Good morning, I'm joined

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today by FBI Deputy Director

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John Pistole and Assistant

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Attorney General Alice Fischer

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of the Criminal Division.

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The fact that there was a

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press conference where the

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attorney general speaks,

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it's a pretty big deal for the

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Department of Justice.

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Seven men were arrested

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yesterday in Miami on charges

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of, of conspiring to support the

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Al-Qaeda terrorist organization

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by planning attacks on numerous

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targets, including bombing the

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Sears Tower in Chicago...

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Listen, we're gonna go after

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people that engage in any, any

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kind of contact that's similar

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to this.

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And I think that's a very

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powerful message, a very

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powerful tool, that the attorney

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general is using the stick of

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the Department of Justice to try

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to discourage this kind of

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behavior from happening again.

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These individuals wished to wage

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a, a "full ground war against

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the United States."

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>> The ridiculousness of that

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opening announcement by Gonzales

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is astounding.

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I think I wrote that, "Wage a

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ground war against the United

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States?

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This group couldn't wage a

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ground war against a jar of

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peppercorns."

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>> It was clear that from the

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highest levels of the Department

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of Justice, that this

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prosecution had been approved

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and was being touted as, like, a

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success of the government's

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counter-terrorism program.

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I think what struck everyone was

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that Alberto Gonzales seemed to

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know very little about the

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specifics of this case.

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>> Did any of the, uh, men have

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any actual contact with any

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members of Al-Qaeda, that you

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know of?

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>> Any...?

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>> No.

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>> Yeah.

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The, the answer to that, the

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answer to that is no.

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>> They had no money.

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They had no weapons.

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They weren't even Islamic

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extremists.

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Ultimately, we realized it was a

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sting operation.

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The way this all unfolded seemed

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very improbable.

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Very forced.

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And it really looked like the

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FBI had led these men down the

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primrose path.

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>> Was there anything against

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the Sears Tower except this one

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apparent discuss... just kind of

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a mention of the Sears Tower?

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Doesn't look like they ever took

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pictures or did any of...?

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>> One of the individuals was

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familiar with the Sears Tower,

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had worked in Chicago, and had

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been there.

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So was familiar with the, with

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the tower.

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I wanted to distinguish this for

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the media, 'cause one of my

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concerns was that we not

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over-hype things.

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That, you know, this is, this

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is another 9/11 cell, that

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they're ready, willing, and able

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to die and had means of

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accomplishing their attacks.

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And so, I described it as an,

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that this was an aspirational

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group rather than an operational

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group.

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In terms of the plans, it was

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more aspirational than, than

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operational.

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>> I think the public and the

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media began to realize very

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quickly that this was just not a

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strong case.

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That it was a weak case.

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>> It looks like these guys were

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actually asking for material

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support from what they thought

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was Al-Qaeda.

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These, these guys couldn't buy

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boots on their own?

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They don't sound like very

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sophisticated or, or, you know,

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effective operators.

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>> These guys didn't have, you

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know, the ability to, you know,

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blow up anything, let alone the

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Sears Tower.

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>> Did you find any explosives,

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weapons...?

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>> And you raise a, a good

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point.

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You know, you know, our

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philosophy here is that we try

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to identify plots in the

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earliest stages possible,

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because we don't know what we,

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what we don't know about,

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about a terrorism plot.

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>> You know, I hate to criticize

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an attorney general, but when he

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said, "We had taken out an

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Al-Qaeda cell," yes, I...

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I knew that was going to be a

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problem.

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He went overboard.

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They were not an Al-Qaeda cell.

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They were not directed by

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Al-Qaeda.

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You know, that is an

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overstatement.

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So the charges were valid.

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It was, it was the over-hyping

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of the case.

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>> So they're charged with

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providing material support to a

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terrorist organization, namely

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Al-Qaeda, even though there was

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no actual connection to

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Al-Qaeda.

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>> The problem with terrorism

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cases is, you have to stop the

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act.

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And so, you really, in a way,

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have to predict who's going to

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do what.

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And so, stings are very

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important, but if you overstate

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what you have done in a sting,

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then people begin to lose

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confidence in what you're doing.

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They think that you're just out

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there creating a terrorist

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yourself.

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>> I had been doing undercover

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work in terrorism cases for a

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decade before 9/11.

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And before 9/11, if I had called

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FBI headquarters and said, "I

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want to initiate an undercover

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operation targeting a terrorist

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group," uh, the first question

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they would have asked me is,

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"Okay, what terrorist group do

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this, these individuals belong

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to?"

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And if I said, "Well, they don't

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actually belong to a terrorist

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group, they're just saying

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things that sound kind of scary

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and things that terrorists

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might say."

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And they would say, "Okay, well,

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what kind of weapons do they

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have?"

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And if I replied, "Well, they

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don't actually have any weapons,

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and part of the plot would be

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to supply them with weapons."

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And then they would say, "Well,

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what plot do they have in mind?"

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And I would say, "Well, they

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haven't actually identified a

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plot yet.

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Part of the operation would be

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to identify a plot and then

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provide them the weapons so that

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they could be terrorists."

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Uh, they would have sent me

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for counseling.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Through 2005 and 2006, there

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had been a very heated debate

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over extending expiring

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provisions of the Patriot Act.

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So I think that there was great

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pressure on the FBI to

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demonstrate both that there was

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a powerful threat that still

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existed inside the United States

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that justified this expanded

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surveillance authority, and that

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the tools that they had been

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given through the Patriot Act

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were actually effective in

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identifying these plots.

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(siren blaring)

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>> Correctional officers in the

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building all of a sudden start

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running to my cell and pointing

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at me, and bringing people.

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So, it's, like, all of a sudden,

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everybody coming to take a look

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at me.

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And it was, like, "Well, this is

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a terrorism case.

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You know, you finna get shipped

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to Guantanamo."

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When he said that, I could feel

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my stomach turn.

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I think for the next three

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days, I had, like, diarrhea-- it

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was just, it was a shock.

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And then I knew what I was

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getting charged with, and, you

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know, I just, I just hid up

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under the, um, the blanket, you

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know, while people come point at

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me, and, you know, it was, it

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was horrifying.

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>> If they were homegrown

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terrorists, they grew up here,

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on this Miami street.

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Stanley Phanor was born in this

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house.

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Lyglenson Lemorin moved in

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across the street with his mom

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when he was just six.

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And today, the two mothers, both

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Haitian, told us in disbelief

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there were no terrorists raised

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on 45th Street.

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>> They have this, everything.

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They have this to put on...

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(indistinct)

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>> And they calling him

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illegal immigrant on the TV.

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>> My son is good from your

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country!

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♪ ♪

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>> The objective then becomes to

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solicit the cooperation of one

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of the defendants.

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To flip someone.

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>> And he was telling me, "Are

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you seriously thinking about

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spending the rest of your life

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in prison?"

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I said, "Man, I don't wanna

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spend the rest of my life in

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prison."

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They're, like, "Okay, then, so

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the only way you could do that

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is by signing these papers."

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I'm, like, "I'mma set myself

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free without signing those

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papers."

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>> We was looking at the younger

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brothers, um, Naudimar and B.

2234
01:25:48.367 --> 01:25:49.834
And we was, like, "You know

2235
01:25:49.900 --> 01:25:51.533
what, just, um, just sign what

2236
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:52.867
you gotta sign."

2237
01:25:52.934 --> 01:26:06.467
You know what I'm...

2238
01:26:06.533 --> 01:26:11.500
♪ ♪

2239
01:26:26.033 --> 01:26:28.233
(shuddered breath)

2240
01:26:28.300 --> 01:26:31.467
We told them brothers, Naudimar

2241
01:26:31.533 --> 01:26:33.100
and B, "Man, sign what you

2242
01:26:33.166 --> 01:26:34.834
gotta sign, man, and get out of

2243
01:26:34.900 --> 01:26:35.834
this.

2244
01:26:35.900 --> 01:26:36.734
You know, you real young."

2245
01:26:36.800 --> 01:26:39.033
And, you know, they got upset.

2246
01:26:39.100 --> 01:26:40.233
They was, like, "No, we're not

2247
01:26:40.300 --> 01:26:41.066
signing."

2248
01:26:41.133 --> 01:26:43.000
We facing 70 years and three

2249
01:26:43.066 --> 01:26:45.333
life sentences, and, you know,

2250
01:26:45.400 --> 01:26:46.734
them brothers was, like, nah,

2251
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:47.967
they not.

2252
01:26:48.033 --> 01:26:49.100
You know, and I definitely

2253
01:26:49.166 --> 01:26:50.233
wasn't.

2254
01:26:50.300 --> 01:26:52.367
You know, so...

2255
01:26:52.433 --> 01:26:53.800
Yeah, nobody was willing to

2256
01:26:53.867 --> 01:26:55.867
sign off that they was

2257
01:26:55.934 --> 01:26:56.867
terrorism.

2258
01:26:56.934 --> 01:26:57.934
But more so, nobody was willing

2259
01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.133
to...

2260
01:27:05.333 --> 01:27:06.567
Yeah, nobody was willing to send

2261
01:27:06.633 --> 01:27:07.600
they brother, who they know

2262
01:27:07.667 --> 01:27:08.734
what we was out there doing in

2263
01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:10.600
them streets, you know, up the

2264
01:27:10.667 --> 01:27:12.900
road for a charge that, that

2265
01:27:12.967 --> 01:27:14.433
wasn't us.

2266
01:27:14.500 --> 01:27:16.033
>> I refused every plea.

2267
01:27:16.100 --> 01:27:16.934
I talked to my lawyer, I told my

2268
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:17.834
lawyer-- my lawyer couldn't

2269
01:27:17.900 --> 01:27:18.700
understand it.

2270
01:27:18.767 --> 01:27:19.667
I told him that's basically how

2271
01:27:19.734 --> 01:27:20.567
I got to be, because I was

2272
01:27:20.633 --> 01:27:21.700
with these brothers.

2273
01:27:21.767 --> 01:27:23.100
I knew what they was about.

2274
01:27:23.166 --> 01:27:25.633
I knew if I get, take any plea,

2275
01:27:25.700 --> 01:27:27.133
even regardless of plea that

2276
01:27:27.200 --> 01:27:28.166
said that I didn't know nothing

2277
01:27:28.233 --> 01:27:29.266
about that, then I'm, then it

2278
01:27:29.333 --> 01:27:31.467
actually saying something about

2279
01:27:31.533 --> 01:27:33.066
my, my brothers that's left in

2280
01:27:33.133 --> 01:27:34.200
there that I knew they was not

2281
01:27:34.266 --> 01:27:35.367
about what they say they was

2282
01:27:35.433 --> 01:27:36.767
about.

2283
01:27:36.834 --> 01:27:37.700
>> Prosecutors laid out their

2284
01:27:37.767 --> 01:27:39.166
case against seven men dubbed

2285
01:27:39.233 --> 01:27:40.934
the Liberty City Seven, accused

2286
01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:42.533
of conspiring to blow up the

2287
01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.133
Sears Tower in Chicago.

2288
01:27:45.200 --> 01:27:47.166
>> You have to understand that,

2289
01:27:47.233 --> 01:27:49.200
in the counter-terrorism field,

2290
01:27:49.266 --> 01:27:51.033
the criminal penalties

2291
01:27:51.100 --> 01:27:52.500
associated with the laws that

2292
01:27:52.567 --> 01:27:53.767
are used, particularly laws like

2293
01:27:53.834 --> 01:27:55.100
the material support for

2294
01:27:55.166 --> 01:27:56.834
terrorism law, come with

2295
01:27:56.900 --> 01:27:58.400
draconian penalties.

2296
01:27:58.467 --> 01:27:59.767
So, if a defense attorney went

2297
01:27:59.834 --> 01:28:01.734
to a client who was charged with

2298
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:03.400
terrorism charges and said,

2299
01:28:03.467 --> 01:28:04.767
"Hey, look, you know, you're

2300
01:28:04.834 --> 01:28:06.533
looking at 30 or 40 years in

2301
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:07.800
jail if you go to trial and are

2302
01:28:07.867 --> 01:28:09.900
convicted, but the government's

2303
01:28:09.967 --> 01:28:11.834
offering you to plead out to

2304
01:28:11.900 --> 01:28:13.200
five years," even somebody who

2305
01:28:13.266 --> 01:28:14.867
is entirely innocent or

2306
01:28:14.934 --> 01:28:17.867
believes that they were induced

2307
01:28:17.934 --> 01:28:18.934
into committing some kind of

2308
01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:22.533
crime, it wouldn't be unusual

2309
01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:23.900
for them to plead guilty to it.

2310
01:28:23.967 --> 01:28:26.734
So, the Liberty City Seven case

2311
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:29.100
was fascinating to me, both

2312
01:28:29.166 --> 01:28:32.100
because it showed me that all of

2313
01:28:32.166 --> 01:28:33.400
the defendants were willing to

2314
01:28:33.467 --> 01:28:35.734
go to trial, showed me that they

2315
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:36.967
were convinced they had done

2316
01:28:37.033 --> 01:28:38.100
nothing wrong.

2317
01:28:38.166 --> 01:28:39.533
And moreover, it gave one of the

2318
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:40.834
very first opportunities to

2319
01:28:40.900 --> 01:28:43.500
really examine the FBI's

2320
01:28:43.567 --> 01:28:45.667
tactics, because all of the

2321
01:28:45.734 --> 01:28:47.100
information would come out

2322
01:28:47.166 --> 01:28:48.433
through the criminal trial.

2323
01:28:48.500 --> 01:28:49.633
>> The challenge for the Liberty

2324
01:28:49.700 --> 01:28:51.100
Seven defense: the suspects did

2325
01:28:51.166 --> 01:28:53.100
indeed pledge an oath to

2326
01:28:53.166 --> 01:28:55.266
Al-Qaeda.

2327
01:28:55.333 --> 01:28:56.266
>> When you have the attorney

2328
01:28:56.333 --> 01:28:58.000
general of the United States

2329
01:28:58.066 --> 01:28:59.834
having a press conference, I

2330
01:28:59.900 --> 01:29:01.400
realized that I was in for a

2331
01:29:01.467 --> 01:29:06.000
major battle going forward.

2332
01:29:06.066 --> 01:29:07.266
Our story was a simple one: they

2333
01:29:07.333 --> 01:29:08.133
didn't have the manner and

2334
01:29:08.200 --> 01:29:09.567
means, they had no money-- they

2335
01:29:09.633 --> 01:29:11.734
barely had vehicles.

2336
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:15.900
They didn't have horses and they

2337
01:29:15.967 --> 01:29:18.100
certainly didn't have bombs.

2338
01:29:18.166 --> 01:29:19.166
This is a case manufactured

2339
01:29:19.233 --> 01:29:20.367
primarily by the government, or

2340
01:29:20.433 --> 01:29:21.900
in my case, my client's case,

2341
01:29:21.967 --> 01:29:23.467
this wasn't his idea.

2342
01:29:23.533 --> 01:29:24.633
It was just a complete, you

2343
01:29:24.700 --> 01:29:26.433
know, setup by the government.

2344
01:29:26.500 --> 01:29:27.867
The plot was being moved forward

2345
01:29:27.934 --> 01:29:31.300
by the informants and the FBI.

2346
01:29:31.367 --> 01:29:34.033
Who directed their activities.

2347
01:29:34.100 --> 01:29:35.900
They ran this whole show.

2348
01:29:35.967 --> 01:29:37.800
They, they provided the script.

2349
01:29:37.867 --> 01:29:40.300
They provided the choreography,

2350
01:29:40.367 --> 01:29:41.734
okay?

2351
01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:43.300
They provided the direction.

2352
01:29:43.367 --> 01:29:45.467
This was not a terrorist case at

2353
01:29:45.533 --> 01:29:48.600
all, let alone a case where the

2354
01:29:48.667 --> 01:29:51.567
actors, the defendants, were

2355
01:29:51.633 --> 01:29:54.700
moving the plot forward.

2356
01:29:54.767 --> 01:29:55.734
>> They invented the players,

2357
01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:57.333
they invented the theme, they

2358
01:29:57.400 --> 01:29:58.633
invented how it was gonna go

2359
01:29:58.700 --> 01:29:59.767
down.

2360
01:29:59.834 --> 01:30:01.400
They, they wrote this script.

2361
01:30:01.467 --> 01:30:03.200
They wrote this script.

2362
01:30:03.266 --> 01:30:03.967
>> One of the other defense

2363
01:30:04.033 --> 01:30:04.867
attorneys said this was all

2364
01:30:04.934 --> 01:30:07.300
really a inner-city scam.

2365
01:30:07.367 --> 01:30:08.333
>> Well, we do know that, first

2366
01:30:08.400 --> 01:30:09.967
of all, that one of the things

2367
01:30:10.033 --> 01:30:11.066
that was done in this case was

2368
01:30:11.133 --> 01:30:13.133
that there was a serious

2369
01:30:13.200 --> 01:30:14.266
question with regard to $50,000

2370
01:30:14.333 --> 01:30:15.600
being given to these individuals

2371
01:30:15.667 --> 01:30:17.066
to help them to revitalize this

2372
01:30:17.133 --> 01:30:18.233
building.

2373
01:30:18.300 --> 01:30:19.367
Here's Narseal saying, "We've

2374
01:30:19.433 --> 01:30:20.767
gotta get this $50,000, so, man,

2375
01:30:20.834 --> 01:30:22.233
just go along with this plan

2376
01:30:22.300 --> 01:30:23.533
for me, and then we're gonna be

2377
01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:25.200
good after that.

2378
01:30:25.266 --> 01:30:26.200
Just go along with it.

2379
01:30:26.266 --> 01:30:27.233
No, we're not gonna do anything,

2380
01:30:27.300 --> 01:30:28.400
but just go along with it."

2381
01:30:28.467 --> 01:30:29.567
>> And so, the defense became

2382
01:30:29.633 --> 01:30:31.100
that, that these guys were doing

2383
01:30:31.166 --> 01:30:32.667
this just for the money, that

2384
01:30:32.734 --> 01:30:34.700
this was one big scam.

2385
01:30:34.767 --> 01:30:37.467
>> It would have been a scam.

2386
01:30:37.533 --> 01:30:39.100
It would have been a scam had he

2387
01:30:39.166 --> 01:30:41.433
given us pictures of the Waffle

2388
01:30:41.500 --> 01:30:43.967
House.

2389
01:30:44.033 --> 01:30:46.000
Or, you know, given us a blank

2390
01:30:46.066 --> 01:30:47.734
disc.

2391
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:51.834
Or, or just not have given us

2392
01:30:51.900 --> 01:30:54.000
footage of the FBI office, the

2393
01:30:54.066 --> 01:30:56.934
U.S. attorney's office, and the

2394
01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:58.467
Miami Police Department.

2395
01:30:58.533 --> 01:31:01.834
So, it's not a scam.

2396
01:31:02.734 --> 01:31:04.467
I mean, that is a, an executed

2397
01:31:04.533 --> 01:31:05.433
agreement.

2398
01:31:05.500 --> 01:31:06.467
>> Whether these people were

2399
01:31:06.533 --> 01:31:08.100
being paid or not, the question

2400
01:31:08.166 --> 01:31:10.233
is, are they willing to commit

2401
01:31:10.300 --> 01:31:12.266
these acts?

2402
01:31:12.333 --> 01:31:14.000
Whether it's for money or it's

2403
01:31:14.066 --> 01:31:16.000
for free.

2404
01:31:16.333 --> 01:31:19.166
So it really made no difference.

2405
01:31:19.233 --> 01:31:20.233
>> Prosecutors told the jury

2406
01:31:20.300 --> 01:31:22.166
they'll hear from among 15,000

2407
01:31:22.233 --> 01:31:23.767
government recordings of the

2408
01:31:23.834 --> 01:31:26.200
group's plan to create chaos.

2409
01:31:46.133 --> 01:31:47.000
>> I'm hearing this for the

2410
01:31:47.066 --> 01:31:48.533
first time.

2411
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:50.667
Now I know why we got indicted.

2412
01:31:50.734 --> 01:31:51.900
Because in my mind, I thought

2413
01:31:51.967 --> 01:31:54.166
the only meetings that occurred

2414
01:31:54.233 --> 01:31:56.300
was the ones I was there.

2415
01:32:01.934 --> 01:32:04.500
>> He's a (bleep) nut.

2416
01:32:04.567 --> 01:32:05.433
What the (bleep) is you running

2417
01:32:05.500 --> 01:32:06.934
your (bleep)-damn mouth for?

2418
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:09.000
On and on and on.

2419
01:32:18.700 --> 01:32:20.100
>> My life was on the line, but

2420
01:32:20.166 --> 01:32:21.200
I just couldn't believe the

2421
01:32:21.266 --> 01:32:23.333
words that was coming out of

2422
01:32:23.400 --> 01:32:24.633
Batiste's mouth.

2423
01:32:30.567 --> 01:32:31.800
>> I couldn't believe I was on

2424
01:32:31.867 --> 01:32:35.000
trial for these conversations.

2425
01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:37.867
♪ ♪

2426
01:32:37.934 --> 01:32:39.100
>> Narseal got on the stand.

2427
01:32:39.166 --> 01:32:40.867
I was literally yelling at him

2428
01:32:40.934 --> 01:32:42.934
about how his stupidity and the

2429
01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:44.233
things he did got these guys in

2430
01:32:44.300 --> 01:32:45.400
trouble.

2431
01:32:45.467 --> 01:32:46.333
And he's sitting up there and

2432
01:32:46.400 --> 01:32:46.700
he's crying.

2433
01:32:47.533 --> 01:32:48.300
And, you know, and I said, "And

2434
01:32:48.367 --> 01:32:49.367
here you are.

2435
01:32:49.433 --> 01:32:50.200
You stepped off what we call

2436
01:32:50.266 --> 01:32:53.133
a, a... the square, if you will,

2437
01:32:53.200 --> 01:32:54.266
which is of righteousness, and

2438
01:32:54.333 --> 01:32:56.233
you led these guys down, you

2439
01:32:56.300 --> 01:32:58.033
know, to the wrong path.

2440
01:32:58.100 --> 01:32:59.433
And everybody is now sitting up

2441
01:32:59.500 --> 01:33:00.867
here indicted by a federal

2442
01:33:00.934 --> 01:33:02.000
government, looking at and being

2443
01:33:02.066 --> 01:33:03.533
called terrorists," and he's...

2444
01:33:03.600 --> 01:33:05.500
He's bawling, he's crying.

2445
01:33:05.567 --> 01:33:06.734
>> I cried about it on the

2446
01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:09.800
witness stand.

2447
01:33:09.867 --> 01:33:10.567
Said it was something that I

2448
01:33:10.633 --> 01:33:15.266
really didn't mean inside.

2449
01:33:15.333 --> 01:33:16.300
That I was just going along with

2450
01:33:16.367 --> 01:33:17.333
Abbas's game, using his

2451
01:33:17.400 --> 01:33:18.333
language.

2452
01:33:18.400 --> 01:33:21.000
Him and Assaad.

2453
01:33:21.066 --> 01:33:22.100
I wanted to stand up and shout

2454
01:33:22.166 --> 01:33:23.033
and say that, "I'm not this

2455
01:33:23.100 --> 01:33:24.266
person.

2456
01:33:24.333 --> 01:33:26.200
I'm really a good person on the

2457
01:33:26.266 --> 01:33:28.400
inside.

2458
01:33:28.467 --> 01:33:30.233
I would never do these things.

2459
01:33:30.300 --> 01:33:33.433
It was just a con game."

2460
01:33:33.500 --> 01:33:36.600
♪ ♪

2461
01:33:36.667 --> 01:33:37.633
>> I kind of felt that he should

2462
01:33:37.700 --> 01:33:40.033
have been a little stronger.

2463
01:33:40.100 --> 01:33:41.400
You know what I mean?

2464
01:33:41.467 --> 01:33:42.533
'Cause we was all together, you

2465
01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:44.300
know, trying to give each other

2466
01:33:44.367 --> 01:33:45.400
support.

2467
01:33:45.467 --> 01:33:47.166
But he'll just, um, he'll just

2468
01:33:47.233 --> 01:33:49.100
ball up in a corner, and it was

2469
01:33:49.166 --> 01:33:51.166
just, it was a lot of guilt.

2470
01:33:51.233 --> 01:33:53.834
You know, of the things he said,

2471
01:33:53.900 --> 01:33:56.033
you know.

2472
01:33:56.100 --> 01:33:57.133
You know, all of us getting

2473
01:33:57.200 --> 01:34:00.567
locked up with him and, you

2474
01:34:00.633 --> 01:34:02.767
know, his family image, you

2475
01:34:02.834 --> 01:34:04.467
know, everything was destroyed

2476
01:34:04.533 --> 01:34:07.500
and, you know, it took a toll on

2477
01:34:07.567 --> 01:34:10.100
him.

2478
01:34:10.166 --> 01:34:15.100
♪ ♪

2479
01:34:15.166 --> 01:34:17.734
I did a, maybe a year and eight

2480
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:21.700
months in Miami FDC.

2481
01:34:21.767 --> 01:34:24.834
I was in solitary confinement.

2482
01:34:24.900 --> 01:34:29.800
They call it the SHU.

2483
01:34:29.867 --> 01:34:30.934
Yeah, you probably go crazy in

2484
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:33.433
there, you know, and I tell

2485
01:34:33.500 --> 01:34:35.867
people maybe I am, maybe I'm

2486
01:34:35.934 --> 01:34:37.166
not, I...

2487
01:34:37.233 --> 01:34:39.100
But it's, um...

2488
01:34:39.166 --> 01:34:40.100
You don't do that to another

2489
01:34:40.166 --> 01:34:42.166
human being.

2490
01:34:42.233 --> 01:34:45.867
♪ ♪

2491
01:34:45.934 --> 01:34:49.667
One day, a guy walked by me.

2492
01:34:49.734 --> 01:34:51.100
And then he, like, said, "What's

2493
01:34:51.166 --> 01:34:52.967
up?" to me with just a head nod.

2494
01:34:53.033 --> 01:34:54.200
And, you know, I was at the

2495
01:34:54.266 --> 01:34:55.300
little window, it's like a

2496
01:34:55.367 --> 01:34:57.734
little... six-inch window, and

2497
01:34:57.800 --> 01:34:58.767
I'm looking, and I gave him a

2498
01:34:58.834 --> 01:34:59.867
head nod.

2499
01:34:59.934 --> 01:35:01.100
And then I walked back to my

2500
01:35:01.166 --> 01:35:02.367
chair, and I'm just sitting

2501
01:35:02.433 --> 01:35:04.500
there, and it hit me, "I just

2502
01:35:04.567 --> 01:35:06.033
seen Batiste!"

2503
01:35:06.100 --> 01:35:09.133
So, I...

2504
01:35:09.200 --> 01:35:10.433
I couldn't believe it.

2505
01:35:10.500 --> 01:35:11.934
You know, I couldn't believe it.

2506
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:13.166
He was a totally different

2507
01:35:13.233 --> 01:35:14.233
person.

2508
01:35:14.300 --> 01:35:15.200
He was skin and bones and, you

2509
01:35:15.266 --> 01:35:17.834
know, it was times I hear...

2510
01:35:17.900 --> 01:35:19.166
I heard him, you know, screaming

2511
01:35:19.233 --> 01:35:21.667
in his cell.

2512
01:35:21.734 --> 01:35:23.300
I think it just about killed

2513
01:35:23.367 --> 01:35:24.700
him.

2514
01:35:24.767 --> 01:35:25.867
I think it just about killed

2515
01:35:25.934 --> 01:35:27.600
him.

2516
01:35:27.667 --> 01:35:29.533
♪ ♪

2517
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:30.467
>> After two long months of

2518
01:35:30.533 --> 01:35:31.867
trial, the jurors couldn't

2519
01:35:31.934 --> 01:35:33.166
decide any of the charges for

2520
01:35:33.233 --> 01:35:34.600
the so-called Liberty City

2521
01:35:34.667 --> 01:35:35.867
Seven.

2522
01:35:35.934 --> 01:35:36.700
>> There was a lot of

2523
01:35:36.767 --> 01:35:37.700
disagreement, but all of the

2524
01:35:37.767 --> 01:35:39.100
jurors worked very hard.

2525
01:35:39.166 --> 01:35:41.133
Um, everybody gave it, gave

2526
01:35:41.200 --> 01:35:42.467
it their all and came here every

2527
01:35:42.533 --> 01:35:45.166
day, for many, many months, and

2528
01:35:45.233 --> 01:35:46.633
uh, and did the best that we

2529
01:35:46.700 --> 01:35:47.667
could.

2530
01:35:47.734 --> 01:35:48.800
I think the jury as a whole kind

2531
01:35:48.867 --> 01:35:51.133
of felt sorry for these guys.

2532
01:35:51.200 --> 01:35:53.767
That they got, they've wound

2533
01:35:53.834 --> 01:35:55.867
themselves up in this position,

2534
01:35:55.934 --> 01:35:57.533
but, you know, they, to some

2535
01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:00.467
extent, they did it themselves.

2536
01:36:00.533 --> 01:36:01.767
There were a few people that

2537
01:36:01.834 --> 01:36:03.000
really bought into this idea

2538
01:36:03.066 --> 01:36:04.533
that they were just doing this

2539
01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:06.800
to scam this guy out of money.

2540
01:36:06.867 --> 01:36:09.533
Which seems sort of odd, like,

2541
01:36:09.600 --> 01:36:11.000
um, to be scamming Al-Qaeda.

2542
01:36:11.066 --> 01:36:12.066
They're not the type of people

2543
01:36:12.133 --> 01:36:13.100
that you would think about

2544
01:36:13.166 --> 01:36:14.900
really running a scam on, I

2545
01:36:14.967 --> 01:36:16.200
wouldn't think.

2546
01:36:16.266 --> 01:36:17.333
They would seem like kind of

2547
01:36:17.400 --> 01:36:19.900
scary guys to, to cross.

2548
01:36:19.967 --> 01:36:21.233
That's why I think there was a

2549
01:36:21.300 --> 01:36:22.834
hung jury, except that one

2550
01:36:22.900 --> 01:36:24.467
defendant who they felt really

2551
01:36:24.533 --> 01:36:26.066
had very little connection and

2552
01:36:26.133 --> 01:36:27.266
wasn't around for most of this,

2553
01:36:27.333 --> 01:36:29.834
and we dismissed the case

2554
01:36:29.900 --> 01:36:31.367
against him.

2555
01:36:31.433 --> 01:36:33.667
Found him not guilty.

2556
01:36:33.734 --> 01:36:34.834
>> One of seven Miami men

2557
01:36:34.900 --> 01:36:35.834
accused of plotting to join

2558
01:36:35.900 --> 01:36:37.266
forces with Al-Qaeda has been

2559
01:36:37.333 --> 01:36:38.734
acquitted, and a mistrial has

2560
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:40.133
been declared for the six other

2561
01:36:40.200 --> 01:36:41.333
men.

2562
01:36:41.400 --> 01:36:43.200
>> They said, "Lyglenson Lemorin

2563
01:36:43.266 --> 01:36:44.233
not guilty for the first charge.

2564
01:36:44.300 --> 01:36:45.266
Lyglenson Lemorin not guilty

2565
01:36:45.333 --> 01:36:46.266
for the second charge, for the

2566
01:36:46.333 --> 01:36:47.767
third charge, for the fourth

2567
01:36:47.834 --> 01:36:48.633
charge."

2568
01:36:48.700 --> 01:36:49.567
And everybody was so happy.

2569
01:36:49.633 --> 01:36:50.400
>> Was he crying?

2570
01:36:50.467 --> 01:36:51.266
I couldn't tell...

2571
01:36:51.333 --> 01:36:52.133
>> Yes, we both were.

2572
01:36:52.200 --> 01:36:53.066
Very emotional.

2573
01:36:53.133 --> 01:36:54.533
Levi was found not guilty at the

2574
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:55.734
first trial.

2575
01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:59.433
And it was fantastic.

2576
01:36:59.500 --> 01:37:01.834
Thought he'd be able to move on

2577
01:37:01.900 --> 01:37:03.233
with his life.

2578
01:37:03.300 --> 01:37:04.467
>> Well, I went back, we all

2579
01:37:04.533 --> 01:37:05.500
thought I'm going home, packed

2580
01:37:05.567 --> 01:37:06.834
my stuff, and then that's when

2581
01:37:06.900 --> 01:37:10.700
Immigration came and got me.

2582
01:37:10.767 --> 01:37:14.133
♪ ♪

2583
01:37:17.867 --> 01:37:19.900
>> The judge found that he had

2584
01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:22.700
associated himself with a

2585
01:37:22.767 --> 01:37:25.600
terrorist group, and that in and

2586
01:37:25.667 --> 01:37:29.500
of itself was deportable.

2587
01:37:29.567 --> 01:37:30.734
>> You look at my case, I have

2588
01:37:30.800 --> 01:37:32.967
no conviction-- nothing.

2589
01:37:33.033 --> 01:37:34.233
That trial was my only thing and

2590
01:37:34.300 --> 01:37:36.066
I've been working all my life.

2591
01:37:36.133 --> 01:37:37.800
I got kids, wife.

2592
01:37:37.867 --> 01:37:39.300
I married a American.

2593
01:37:39.367 --> 01:37:41.100
I beat the case.

2594
01:37:41.166 --> 01:37:42.600
I beat the case and I'm sent

2595
01:37:42.667 --> 01:37:44.200
home.

2596
01:37:44.266 --> 01:37:45.166
>> You can be found not guilty,

2597
01:37:45.233 --> 01:37:46.633
but it still doesn't mean you're

2598
01:37:46.700 --> 01:37:48.033
not guilty in the eyes of the

2599
01:37:48.100 --> 01:37:52.000
U.S. government.

2600
01:37:52.066 --> 01:37:53.333
He couldn't even come back to

2601
01:37:53.400 --> 01:37:54.700
the United States for his

2602
01:37:54.767 --> 01:37:56.533
15-year-old son's funeral when

2603
01:37:56.600 --> 01:37:58.533
he was killed, um, along the

2604
01:37:58.600 --> 01:37:59.934
highway, trying to assist a

2605
01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:02.500
motorist who had been stalled

2606
01:38:02.567 --> 01:38:06.367
and their car had broken down.

2607
01:38:06.433 --> 01:38:07.967
>> It's a pain where you

2608
01:38:08.033 --> 01:38:08.967
can't...

2609
01:38:09.033 --> 01:38:10.100
You don't know, it's almost

2610
01:38:10.166 --> 01:38:11.467
like your heart's closing and

2611
01:38:11.533 --> 01:38:12.400
you don't know what to do.

2612
01:38:12.467 --> 01:38:15.033
And I zoned out.

2613
01:38:15.100 --> 01:38:17.166
You know, life start over, life

2614
01:38:17.233 --> 01:38:18.433
ain't finished.

2615
01:38:18.500 --> 01:38:19.567
God is great.

2616
01:38:19.633 --> 01:38:20.467
I'mma continue to be me.

2617
01:38:20.533 --> 01:38:21.633
I'mma continue to strive to

2618
01:38:21.700 --> 01:38:22.834
better myself.

2619
01:38:22.900 --> 01:38:25.033
(indistinct chatter)

2620
01:38:25.100 --> 01:38:26.467
It's really, nothing changed

2621
01:38:26.533 --> 01:38:28.066
about how I feel America.

2622
01:38:28.133 --> 01:38:29.700
I love America.

2623
01:38:29.767 --> 01:38:31.100
America's a great country.

2624
01:38:31.166 --> 01:38:33.600
But what happened to us, it's

2625
01:38:33.667 --> 01:38:35.500
not America that did it.

2626
01:38:35.567 --> 01:38:37.333
You know, it's not America.

2627
01:38:37.400 --> 01:38:39.900
It's a few people in America

2628
01:38:39.967 --> 01:38:44.467
that people put their trust in.

2629
01:38:44.533 --> 01:38:45.767
>> Federal prosecutors say they

2630
01:38:45.834 --> 01:38:47.400
will retry the six men on whom

2631
01:38:47.467 --> 01:38:48.900
the jurors deadlocked.

2632
01:38:48.967 --> 01:38:50.266
Judge Joan Lenard set jury

2633
01:38:50.333 --> 01:38:52.266
selection for January.

2634
01:38:52.333 --> 01:38:54.033
>> It's hard to be able to look

2635
01:38:54.100 --> 01:38:55.767
at the media once you've

2636
01:38:55.834 --> 01:38:57.400
arrested somebody and called

2637
01:38:57.467 --> 01:38:58.867
them a terrorist, and then drop

2638
01:38:58.934 --> 01:39:00.667
the case against them after one

2639
01:39:00.734 --> 01:39:01.800
trial, saying, "Okay, we're

2640
01:39:01.867 --> 01:39:02.734
gonna let them back out on the

2641
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:04.100
streets to complete what they

2642
01:39:04.166 --> 01:39:05.266
were trying to do."

2643
01:39:05.333 --> 01:39:06.367
>> And so the government had to

2644
01:39:06.433 --> 01:39:07.700
retry the case.

2645
01:39:07.767 --> 01:39:09.700
And they tried it a second time.

2646
01:39:09.767 --> 01:39:11.233
And it hung a second time for

2647
01:39:11.300 --> 01:39:12.867
the same reasons.

2648
01:39:12.934 --> 01:39:14.000
>> We did, we tried it again,

2649
01:39:14.066 --> 01:39:15.967
and there was another mistrial.

2650
01:39:16.033 --> 01:39:17.767
>> A federal judge has declared

2651
01:39:17.834 --> 01:39:19.100
another mistrial.

2652
01:39:19.166 --> 01:39:20.300
Prosecutors now have a week to

2653
01:39:20.367 --> 01:39:21.567
decide if they're going to try

2654
01:39:21.633 --> 01:39:23.567
them for a third time.

2655
01:39:23.633 --> 01:39:25.600
>> When that trial came to, um,

2656
01:39:25.667 --> 01:39:29.133
a hung jury again, we just knew

2657
01:39:29.200 --> 01:39:30.533
they was gonna throw this case

2658
01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:31.567
out.

2659
01:39:31.633 --> 01:39:32.633
There ain't no way they coming

2660
01:39:32.700 --> 01:39:34.333
back again for another trial

2661
01:39:34.400 --> 01:39:35.500
with us, 'cause it was so

2662
01:39:35.567 --> 01:39:36.767
embarrassing.

2663
01:39:36.834 --> 01:39:38.000
>> My experience has been, it's,

2664
01:39:38.066 --> 01:39:39.467
it's two times and they're done.

2665
01:39:39.533 --> 01:39:40.667
But it depends on the case.

2666
01:39:40.734 --> 01:39:41.700
If they want somebody bad

2667
01:39:41.767 --> 01:39:44.233
enough, they continue to go

2668
01:39:44.300 --> 01:39:45.500
after the person.

2669
01:39:45.567 --> 01:39:46.767
And they wanted these guys,

2670
01:39:46.834 --> 01:39:48.000
badly.

2671
01:39:48.066 --> 01:39:49.533
>> Two juries failed to reach a

2672
01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:50.700
verdict.

2673
01:39:50.767 --> 01:39:53.033
Now a third jury will try.

2674
01:39:53.100 --> 01:39:55.433
>> Imagine if we did nothing

2675
01:39:55.500 --> 01:39:56.934
about this case, and instead of

2676
01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:00.934
the FBI coming to, to Batiste,

2677
01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:02.233
one of these organizations

2678
01:40:02.300 --> 01:40:03.533
actually came to Batiste and

2679
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.700
provided him the explosives.

2680
01:40:05.767 --> 01:40:08.533
So, could we ignore it?

2681
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:09.767
And if we had ignored it, and he

2682
01:40:09.834 --> 01:40:11.834
had blown up a building, he had

2683
01:40:11.900 --> 01:40:13.700
done damage to this building

2684
01:40:13.767 --> 01:40:15.600
you're sitting in right now, and

2685
01:40:15.667 --> 01:40:18.633
people were killed, wouldn't

2686
01:40:18.700 --> 01:40:20.100
you be coming back to us to

2687
01:40:20.166 --> 01:40:20.800
say, "Why didn't you do

2688
01:40:20.867 --> 01:40:21.867
something about it?

2689
01:40:21.934 --> 01:40:23.300
Why did you ignore it?"

2690
01:40:23.367 --> 01:40:24.734
This is the question: do you

2691
01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:25.900
want us to stop them before they

2692
01:40:25.967 --> 01:40:28.033
commit this kind of crime, or,

2693
01:40:28.100 --> 01:40:29.533
or do you want to let it happen

2694
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:30.800
first?

2695
01:40:30.867 --> 01:40:31.800
>> So the government said,

2696
01:40:31.867 --> 01:40:32.834
"We're gonna give this one last

2697
01:40:32.900 --> 01:40:33.900
try.

2698
01:40:33.967 --> 01:40:35.066
A third time."

2699
01:40:35.133 --> 01:40:37.033
And each time they tried the

2700
01:40:37.100 --> 01:40:39.133
case, the case got smaller, and

2701
01:40:39.200 --> 01:40:42.166
more defined and more focused.

2702
01:40:42.233 --> 01:40:43.600
And even with the third trial,

2703
01:40:43.667 --> 01:40:46.467
they really flailed, because the

2704
01:40:46.533 --> 01:40:48.367
jurors were out for almost 12,

2705
01:40:48.433 --> 01:40:49.867
13 days.

2706
01:40:49.934 --> 01:40:51.133
So, it looked like it was gonna

2707
01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:52.433
be another hung jury.

2708
01:40:52.500 --> 01:40:53.700
>> The jury went out for

2709
01:40:53.767 --> 01:40:55.133
deliberations and there was one

2710
01:40:55.200 --> 01:40:57.133
juror who refused to deliberate.

2711
01:40:57.200 --> 01:40:58.633
She just refused.

2712
01:40:58.700 --> 01:41:00.533
So, the judge had to excuse that

2713
01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:01.834
juror.

2714
01:41:01.900 --> 01:41:04.834
>> Within 24 hours, an alternate

2715
01:41:04.900 --> 01:41:06.333
was brought in and he joined the

2716
01:41:06.400 --> 01:41:10.734
other 11 and convicted five of

2717
01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:12.934
the six.

2718
01:41:13.033 --> 01:41:15.200
A sixth defendant was found not

2719
01:41:15.266 --> 01:41:16.333
guilty.

2720
01:41:16.400 --> 01:41:17.533
>> After the verdict was read,

2721
01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:19.033
the one Liberty Six member who

2722
01:41:19.100 --> 01:41:20.233
was acquitted called the

2723
01:41:20.300 --> 01:41:21.500
prosecution of his friends

2724
01:41:21.567 --> 01:41:23.133
"bogus."

2725
01:41:23.200 --> 01:41:24.033
>> You had no intention of doing

2726
01:41:24.100 --> 01:41:24.967
any of the things that you

2727
01:41:25.033 --> 01:41:25.834
talked about?

2728
01:41:25.900 --> 01:41:26.834
>> It was all a whole bunch of

2729
01:41:26.900 --> 01:41:28.500
hogwash from the beginning.

2730
01:41:28.567 --> 01:41:29.567
>> You weren't serious about any

2731
01:41:29.633 --> 01:41:30.400
of it?

2732
01:41:30.467 --> 01:41:31.266
>> Nobody was serious about

2733
01:41:31.333 --> 01:41:32.100
nothing.

2734
01:41:32.166 --> 01:41:32.967
It's not real.

2735
01:41:33.033 --> 01:41:34.633
>> Give us a little space,

2736
01:41:34.700 --> 01:41:35.500
please.

2737
01:41:35.567 --> 01:41:38.266
♪ ♪

2738
01:41:38.333 --> 01:41:39.333
>> It took three years and three

2739
01:41:39.400 --> 01:41:41.000
trials, but a group of Florida

2740
01:41:41.066 --> 01:41:42.800
men accused in a plot to destroy

2741
01:41:42.867 --> 01:41:45.000
Chicago's Sears Tower are each

2742
01:41:45.066 --> 01:41:48.333
facing decades in prison.

2743
01:41:48.400 --> 01:41:53.367
♪ ♪

2744
01:42:00.033 --> 01:42:00.734
>> I felt like I got hit in the

2745
01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:04.567
head with an 80-ton concrete

2746
01:42:04.633 --> 01:42:09.367
ball or something.

2747
01:42:09.433 --> 01:42:11.633
Or knocked out.

2748
01:42:14.900 --> 01:42:18.533
I cried.

2749
01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:21.066
Thought my life was over.

2750
01:42:25.133 --> 01:42:28.100
All based on what I said.

2751
01:42:28.166 --> 01:42:30.100
>> A certain part of me just

2752
01:42:30.166 --> 01:42:32.133
died there.

2753
01:42:32.200 --> 01:42:34.133
And now, I was left with four

2754
01:42:34.200 --> 01:42:35.800
young children to raise without

2755
01:42:35.867 --> 01:42:38.166
no other family, no other help.

2756
01:42:38.233 --> 01:42:40.500
But just me and them.

2757
01:42:40.567 --> 01:42:41.767
You're taking this innocent man

2758
01:42:41.834 --> 01:42:43.233
away from his-- and all the

2759
01:42:43.300 --> 01:42:44.500
rest of these young men-- away

2760
01:42:44.567 --> 01:42:47.000
from their families, without no

2761
01:42:47.066 --> 01:42:48.467
evidence.

2762
01:42:48.533 --> 01:42:49.633
I can't be living this.

2763
01:42:49.700 --> 01:42:50.667
I can't.

2764
01:42:50.734 --> 01:42:53.433
I can't be living this.

2765
01:42:53.500 --> 01:42:59.266
♪ ♪

2766
01:42:59.333 --> 01:43:01.300
>> I have a responsibility to

2767
01:43:01.367 --> 01:43:04.467
the people that I, I work for,

2768
01:43:04.533 --> 01:43:05.667
which are the citizens of the

2769
01:43:05.734 --> 01:43:07.633
United States, to, to go where

2770
01:43:07.700 --> 01:43:10.066
the facts and evidence leads.

2771
01:43:10.133 --> 01:43:11.133
I've looked at this a thousand

2772
01:43:11.200 --> 01:43:12.500
ways to Sunday.

2773
01:43:12.567 --> 01:43:15.567
I wish I could say, "Look, this

2774
01:43:15.633 --> 01:43:16.767
is what happened, and, and this

2775
01:43:16.834 --> 01:43:18.133
is how..."

2776
01:43:18.200 --> 01:43:19.433
I, I just can't...

2777
01:43:19.500 --> 01:43:21.066
I can't get myself there.

2778
01:43:21.133 --> 01:43:24.467
They did what they were

2779
01:43:24.533 --> 01:43:26.800
convicted of.

2780
01:43:26.867 --> 01:43:28.600
♪ ♪

2781
01:43:28.667 --> 01:43:29.734
>> The problem was, there were a

2782
01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:30.934
lot of sensitive issues in this

2783
01:43:31.000 --> 01:43:31.867
case.

2784
01:43:31.934 --> 01:43:32.967
For instance, we got them a

2785
01:43:33.033 --> 01:43:34.033
warehouse where we had cameras

2786
01:43:34.100 --> 01:43:36.567
and, and they had a meeting, and

2787
01:43:36.633 --> 01:43:38.700
they swore the oath to Al-Qaeda.

2788
01:43:38.767 --> 01:43:40.433
But we could have delivered them

2789
01:43:40.500 --> 01:43:42.300
a, a load of arms and munitions;

2790
01:43:42.367 --> 01:43:43.900
made the arms and munitions

2791
01:43:43.967 --> 01:43:46.133
inoperable, but delivered them.

2792
01:43:46.200 --> 01:43:47.300
Once they accepted that, we

2793
01:43:47.367 --> 01:43:48.600
could have taken them down with

2794
01:43:48.667 --> 01:43:50.400
the, the munitions in their hand

2795
01:43:50.467 --> 01:43:51.834
and I think that would have been

2796
01:43:51.900 --> 01:43:56.100
far, far more effective.

2797
01:43:56.166 --> 01:43:57.667
But at that time, the bureau was

2798
01:43:57.734 --> 01:44:00.100
so nervous about providing

2799
01:44:00.166 --> 01:44:01.633
potential terrorists with

2800
01:44:01.700 --> 01:44:03.467
weaponry that they just flat-

2801
01:44:03.533 --> 01:44:04.567
out said, "No, you can't do

2802
01:44:04.633 --> 01:44:05.867
that."

2803
01:44:05.934 --> 01:44:07.033
>> Al-Qaeda didn't know any of

2804
01:44:07.100 --> 01:44:08.967
these individuals.

2805
01:44:09.033 --> 01:44:10.667
They didn't have anybody who

2806
01:44:10.734 --> 01:44:12.734
could have done a full ground

2807
01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:14.467
war in the United States or,

2808
01:44:14.533 --> 01:44:16.433
uh, taken down the Sears Tower.

2809
01:44:16.500 --> 01:44:18.266
But many Americans believe they

2810
01:44:18.333 --> 01:44:20.000
did because the FBI manufactured

2811
01:44:20.066 --> 01:44:21.400
this plot.

2812
01:44:21.467 --> 01:44:22.433
I was hoping that they would

2813
01:44:22.500 --> 01:44:23.867
learn that this case was an

2814
01:44:23.934 --> 01:44:25.367
overreach, they had gone too

2815
01:44:25.433 --> 01:44:27.266
far, and perhaps undermined

2816
01:44:27.333 --> 01:44:28.767
public trust in the

2817
01:44:28.834 --> 01:44:30.066
counterterrorism tactics that

2818
01:44:30.133 --> 01:44:31.333
they were using.

2819
01:44:31.400 --> 01:44:32.567
But they seem to have taken the

2820
01:44:32.633 --> 01:44:33.900
opposite lesson.

2821
01:44:33.967 --> 01:44:35.800
And what you see in the sting

2822
01:44:35.867 --> 01:44:37.834
operations after Liberty City

2823
01:44:37.900 --> 01:44:39.567
Seven is an effort to

2824
01:44:39.633 --> 01:44:42.500
sensationalize the cases even

2825
01:44:42.567 --> 01:44:44.934
further, to where they will

2826
01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:48.734
go to the extent of actually

2827
01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:51.100
providing significant weaponry

2828
01:44:51.166 --> 01:44:53.266
to these groups.

2829
01:44:53.333 --> 01:44:54.467
>> ...yesterday during an FBI

2830
01:44:54.533 --> 01:44:55.800
sting operation.

2831
01:44:55.867 --> 01:44:56.667
He's a U.S. citizen...

2832
01:44:56.734 --> 01:44:57.734
>> Demetrius Pitts faces charges

2833
01:44:57.800 --> 01:44:58.900
after he communicated with an

2834
01:44:58.967 --> 01:45:00.200
undercover agent.

2835
01:45:00.266 --> 01:45:01.300
>> He believed that the FBI

2836
01:45:01.367 --> 01:45:02.700
planted this bombing plot...

2837
01:45:02.767 --> 01:45:03.767
>> ...undercover agents who said

2838
01:45:03.834 --> 01:45:04.734
they could help him bomb the

2839
01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:05.734
mall...

2840
01:45:05.800 --> 01:45:07.300
>> They set this kid up.

2841
01:45:07.367 --> 01:45:08.300
>> If you lay out sting

2842
01:45:08.367 --> 01:45:09.533
operations on a chart, you know,

2843
01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:11.500
what you see is this enormous

2844
01:45:11.567 --> 01:45:14.233
uptick after 2009.

2845
01:45:14.300 --> 01:45:15.266
I think it's just further

2846
01:45:15.333 --> 01:45:16.967
emboldened the FBI and the

2847
01:45:17.033 --> 01:45:18.100
Department of Justice in its

2848
01:45:18.166 --> 01:45:19.400
use of these types of sting

2849
01:45:19.467 --> 01:45:20.767
operations, knowing that

2850
01:45:20.834 --> 01:45:23.000
essentially, if they can convict

2851
01:45:23.066 --> 01:45:24.700
these guys in Miami, you know,

2852
01:45:24.767 --> 01:45:25.834
they can convict just about

2853
01:45:25.900 --> 01:45:26.667
anybody.

2854
01:45:26.734 --> 01:45:29.133
♪ ♪

2855
01:45:29.200 --> 01:45:30.166
>> The Liberty City/Sears Tower

2856
01:45:30.233 --> 01:45:31.800
case was significant in the

2857
01:45:31.867 --> 01:45:33.633
sense of taking people with bad

2858
01:45:33.700 --> 01:45:35.533
motives, bad intent, off the

2859
01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.000
street, holding them

2860
01:45:37.066 --> 01:45:38.734
accountable, and then serving as

2861
01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:39.900
a deterrent to other potential

2862
01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:40.867
terrorists.

2863
01:45:40.934 --> 01:45:42.066
>> Were these terrorists in a

2864
01:45:42.133 --> 01:45:43.700
real sense?

2865
01:45:43.767 --> 01:45:46.600
>> My personal opinion was no,

2866
01:45:46.667 --> 01:45:48.934
because-- and that's why I

2867
01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:50.000
describe them as aspirational

2868
01:45:50.066 --> 01:45:51.100
rather than operational--

2869
01:45:51.166 --> 01:45:52.400
because I didn't believe they,

2870
01:45:52.467 --> 01:45:55.200
they could do something based on

2871
01:45:55.266 --> 01:45:57.867
what I had seen.

2872
01:45:57.934 --> 01:45:59.166
>> I'm not gonna hype these

2873
01:45:59.233 --> 01:46:01.467
cases to be something that

2874
01:46:01.533 --> 01:46:02.667
they're not.

2875
01:46:02.734 --> 01:46:03.600
But they're very important,

2876
01:46:03.667 --> 01:46:06.967
because if, if we can't do 'em,

2877
01:46:07.033 --> 01:46:08.233
it's gonna be hard to stop

2878
01:46:08.300 --> 01:46:10.467
terrorists.

2879
01:46:10.533 --> 01:46:12.567
The Liberty City case was one of

2880
01:46:12.633 --> 01:46:14.100
the cases that we would use in

2881
01:46:14.166 --> 01:46:15.567
training: okay, this is a

2882
01:46:15.633 --> 01:46:17.066
cautionary tale.

2883
01:46:17.133 --> 01:46:18.700
You know, be careful as to how

2884
01:46:18.767 --> 01:46:21.066
far your, your undercover agents

2885
01:46:21.133 --> 01:46:22.700
or your informants push.

2886
01:46:22.767 --> 01:46:24.266
And when you do arrest, you

2887
01:46:24.333 --> 01:46:25.734
know, don't overstate what,

2888
01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:29.100
what you've got.

2889
01:46:29.166 --> 01:46:30.967
The goal is not to take somebody

2890
01:46:31.033 --> 01:46:32.266
that is not a terrorist and make

2891
01:46:32.333 --> 01:46:33.500
them a terrorist.

2892
01:46:33.567 --> 01:46:38.200
They weren't really the, the

2893
01:46:38.266 --> 01:46:39.600
terrorists that we were seeking

2894
01:46:39.667 --> 01:46:41.400
out.

2895
01:46:41.467 --> 01:46:46.066
♪ ♪

2896
01:46:46.133 --> 01:46:47.834
>> This is my job.

2897
01:46:47.900 --> 01:46:49.633
I was hired as a supervisor,

2898
01:46:49.700 --> 01:46:50.800
underneath the project manager,

2899
01:46:50.867 --> 01:46:52.834
to run the job site with

2900
01:46:52.900 --> 01:46:56.767
small contractors.

2901
01:46:56.834 --> 01:46:59.834
This is excellent, uh, it's...

2902
01:46:59.900 --> 01:47:01.233
It might not be as, as good as

2903
01:47:01.300 --> 01:47:02.533
me subcontracting things on my

2904
01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:04.767
own, and making more money in a,

2905
01:47:04.834 --> 01:47:07.367
in a momentous type of way.

2906
01:47:07.433 --> 01:47:08.367
But it's a steady income, I'm on

2907
01:47:08.433 --> 01:47:09.900
salary pay.

2908
01:47:09.967 --> 01:47:12.166
And I'm, I'm just happy.

2909
01:47:12.233 --> 01:47:16.433
♪ ♪

2910
01:47:16.500 --> 01:47:18.300
>> Did you ever imagine that you

2911
01:47:18.367 --> 01:47:20.200
were being recorded?

2912
01:47:20.266 --> 01:47:21.266
>> Yes.

2913
01:47:21.333 --> 01:47:23.266
>> You did?

2914
01:47:26.233 --> 01:47:27.667
You knew that you were being

2915
01:47:27.734 --> 01:47:28.633
videoed?

2916
01:47:28.700 --> 01:47:29.900
>> Yes.

2917
01:47:29.967 --> 01:47:31.100
It was, it was clear.

2918
01:47:31.166 --> 01:47:33.433
>> Did you see where the video

2919
01:47:33.500 --> 01:47:34.600
cameras were?

2920
01:47:34.667 --> 01:47:38.000
>> No, they were hidden cameras.

2921
01:47:42.533 --> 01:47:43.533
>> Did you tell the brothers

2922
01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:44.900
that you thought your meetings

2923
01:47:44.967 --> 01:47:47.200
with Assaad might have been

2924
01:47:47.266 --> 01:47:49.767
recorded by law enforcement?

2925
01:47:49.834 --> 01:47:51.867
>> Yes.

2926
01:47:51.934 --> 01:47:58.500
♪ ♪

2927
01:47:58.567 --> 01:47:59.734
>> I still don't really

2928
01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:00.533
understand how you thought you

2929
01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:01.900
could get away with it even if

2930
01:48:01.967 --> 01:48:03.700
you got the money.

2931
01:48:03.767 --> 01:48:05.000
>> Yeah, I didn't seem...

2932
01:48:05.066 --> 01:48:05.800
I didn't really...

2933
01:48:05.867 --> 01:48:06.734
At the end of the day, I

2934
01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:07.600
thought about it and said, "I

2935
01:48:07.667 --> 01:48:08.467
probably won't get away with it,

2936
01:48:08.533 --> 01:48:09.700
but I'll just spend some of it,

2937
01:48:09.767 --> 01:48:10.900
and if they caught me, 'Hey,

2938
01:48:10.967 --> 01:48:11.967
I'm sorry I took the money.

2939
01:48:12.033 --> 01:48:13.000
Can I give it back?

2940
01:48:13.066 --> 01:48:14.000
I spent some of it.'"

2941
01:48:14.066 --> 01:48:15.433
That's what I thought I could

2942
01:48:15.500 --> 01:48:17.166
use as an excuse.

2943
01:48:17.233 --> 01:48:20.600
♪ ♪

2944
01:48:20.667 --> 01:48:21.867
>> I wonder if he's trying to

2945
01:48:21.934 --> 01:48:24.700
save face.

2946
01:48:24.767 --> 01:48:26.333
Because he realized how stupid

2947
01:48:26.400 --> 01:48:27.533
he was.

2948
01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:30.200
Everybody makes mistakes, but

2949
01:48:30.266 --> 01:48:31.433
not everybody's mistakes is

2950
01:48:31.500 --> 01:48:32.500
recorded for the world to see

2951
01:48:32.567 --> 01:48:35.166
over and over and over again.

2952
01:48:35.233 --> 01:48:36.433
His is.

2953
01:48:36.500 --> 01:48:37.567
So that was his best answer is

2954
01:48:37.633 --> 01:48:38.967
trying to say, "Aw, yeah, I'm

2955
01:48:39.033 --> 01:48:39.967
smart."

2956
01:48:40.033 --> 01:48:41.934
Nah, you was just that dumb.

2957
01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:44.600
That's all that was.

2958
01:48:44.667 --> 01:48:45.700
That's all that was.

2959
01:48:45.767 --> 01:48:46.700
>> He didn't know?

2960
01:48:46.767 --> 01:48:48.000
>> He didn't know.

2961
01:48:48.066 --> 01:48:48.967
He didn't know.

2962
01:48:49.033 --> 01:48:55.734
♪ ♪

2963
01:48:55.800 --> 01:48:57.333
>> Finance was becoming a

2964
01:48:57.400 --> 01:48:59.367
problem because of my case.

2965
01:48:59.433 --> 01:49:00.367
So it was hard to find

2966
01:49:00.433 --> 01:49:02.600
employment or anything else.

2967
01:49:02.667 --> 01:49:04.767
So, when I did find employment,

2968
01:49:04.834 --> 01:49:06.734
it was, like, a bull(bleep) ass

2969
01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:08.433
job.

2970
01:49:08.500 --> 01:49:10.367
And I said, "I'mma take this

2971
01:49:10.433 --> 01:49:11.533
job, or take this check, and

2972
01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:13.033
I'mma mix this through what I

2973
01:49:13.100 --> 01:49:14.700
know best."

2974
01:49:14.767 --> 01:49:15.734
Which is go back to the street

2975
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:16.767
and go back to the hustling

2976
01:49:16.834 --> 01:49:17.834
game, to the cocaine or

2977
01:49:17.900 --> 01:49:19.800
whatever, and just mix and

2978
01:49:19.867 --> 01:49:20.967
mingle with the people I know.

2979
01:49:21.033 --> 01:49:22.000
They're so concerned with

2980
01:49:22.066 --> 01:49:24.633
terrorist, uh, watch, I was

2981
01:49:24.700 --> 01:49:25.800
selling dope under their eyes

2982
01:49:25.867 --> 01:49:26.967
the whole time, and I was on

2983
01:49:27.033 --> 01:49:28.233
federal probation.

2984
01:49:28.300 --> 01:49:29.500
So they couldn't be that

2985
01:49:29.567 --> 01:49:30.900
concerned with me.

2986
01:49:30.967 --> 01:49:33.166
They couldn't have.

2987
01:49:33.233 --> 01:49:35.700
I made money.

2988
01:49:35.767 --> 01:49:39.400
♪ ♪

2989
01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:50.734
>> In terms of Batiste, nah, I

2990
01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:52.000
wanted to strangle the guy, man,

2991
01:49:52.066 --> 01:49:53.133
because I felt like, you don't

2992
01:49:53.200 --> 01:49:54.533
listen.

2993
01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:56.133
You got caught up in yourself,

2994
01:49:56.200 --> 01:49:57.667
and now this is what this come

2995
01:49:57.734 --> 01:49:59.166
down.

2996
01:49:59.233 --> 01:50:00.367
And this is not just something

2997
01:50:00.433 --> 01:50:02.100
that affect us immediately.

2998
01:50:02.166 --> 01:50:03.900
It affect all, every last one of

2999
01:50:03.967 --> 01:50:05.667
our families.

3000
01:50:05.734 --> 01:50:07.367
Of course I wanted to strangle

3001
01:50:07.433 --> 01:50:09.600
his ass.

3002
01:50:09.667 --> 01:50:14.633
♪ ♪

3003
01:50:24.667 --> 01:50:29.633
♪ ♪

3004
01:50:32.166 --> 01:50:33.300
>> I lose part of me.

3005
01:50:33.367 --> 01:50:38.700
I lost everything I was.

3006
01:50:38.767 --> 01:50:40.300
My whole 30s was spent in

3007
01:50:40.367 --> 01:50:42.333
prison.

3008
01:50:42.400 --> 01:50:43.467
In your 30s, that's when you buy

3009
01:50:43.533 --> 01:50:45.567
a house, you know what I mean?

3010
01:50:45.633 --> 01:50:48.033
You start to be financially

3011
01:50:48.100 --> 01:50:50.033
sound, you know?

3012
01:50:50.100 --> 01:50:51.934
Having kids, you know-- I spent

3013
01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:54.533
all that time in prison.

3014
01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:56.333
So, I'm out right now, I don't

3015
01:50:56.400 --> 01:50:58.767
got no kids.

3016
01:50:58.834 --> 01:51:04.033
No, no wife, no girlfriend...

3017
01:51:04.100 --> 01:51:05.400
No real job.

3018
01:51:05.467 --> 01:51:10.233
(laughing)

3019
01:51:10.300 --> 01:51:12.166
Oh, man!

3020
01:51:12.233 --> 01:51:15.200
(whistles)

3021
01:51:15.633 --> 01:51:20.667
♪ ♪