WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:13.263 --> 00:00:15.557 {\an1}♪ (THEME MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 4 00:00:27.444 --> 00:00:30.822 {\an1}Alanis Morissette was one of the biggest musical stars 5 00:00:30.905 --> 00:00:32.365 {\an1}of her generation. 6 00:00:32.448 --> 00:00:34.909 {\an1}Making this movie gave me a look 7 00:00:34.993 --> 00:00:37.328 {\an1}at these personal moments behind the scenes, 8 00:00:37.412 --> 00:00:40.123 {\an1}getting to see what she was up against at the time. 9 00:00:40.206 --> 00:00:42.459 {\an1}And there was still so much that I didn't know about her. 10 00:00:46.379 --> 00:00:49.549 {\an1}♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪ 11 00:00:53.720 --> 00:00:58.767 {\an1}(CROWD CHANTS) 12 00:01:31.090 --> 00:01:34.594 {\an1}♪ Is all I want to say to you ♪ 13 00:01:42.852 --> 00:01:44.062 {\an1}We ready? 14 00:01:44.854 --> 00:01:46.189 {\an1}Let's get together. 15 00:01:47.482 --> 00:01:48.566 {\an1}God, time's flying, 16 00:01:48.650 --> 00:01:52.362 {\an1}so let's just seize as many of the moments as we can 17 00:01:52.445 --> 00:01:54.989 {\an1}and enjoy the shows for what they are, 18 00:01:55.073 --> 00:01:57.741 {\an1}enjoy the cover team tonight, the vibe... 19 00:01:57.826 --> 00:01:59.369 {\an1}So have a good show, sweets. 20 00:02:01.162 --> 00:02:02.288 {\an1}Cheers. 21 00:02:05.917 --> 00:02:07.836 {\an1}Tank, don't fuck up. 22 00:02:09.628 --> 00:02:11.714 {\an1}Oh, you're asking for karma right there. 23 00:02:12.882 --> 00:02:14.509 {\an1}I'm gonna be watching. 24 00:02:14.592 --> 00:02:16.553 {\an1}Jay, don't blow that last note. 25 00:02:18.054 --> 00:02:23.101 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 26 00:02:49.377 --> 00:02:54.507 {\an1}-♪ (ROCK MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ -(CROWD CHEERS) 27 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.722 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 28 00:03:45.975 --> 00:03:48.686 {\an1}♪ ("ALL I REALLY WANT" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 29 00:04:05.036 --> 00:04:07.455 {\an1}♪ Do I stress you out? ♪ 30 00:04:07.538 --> 00:04:10.041 {\an1}♪ My sweater is on backwards And inside out ♪ 31 00:04:10.124 --> 00:04:14.045 {\an1}♪ And you say How appropriate ♪ 32 00:04:15.588 --> 00:04:17.966 {\an1}♪ I don't want to dissect Everything today ♪ 33 00:04:18.048 --> 00:04:20.301 {\an1}♪ I don't mean to pick you Apart you see ♪ 34 00:04:20.385 --> 00:04:24.472 {\an1}♪ But I can't help it... ♪ 35 00:04:26.265 --> 00:04:28.142 {\an1}GUY OSEARY: The album opens with the question, 36 00:04:28.226 --> 00:04:29.519 {\an1}"Do I stress you out?" 37 00:04:30.520 --> 00:04:32.271 {\an1}And then spends the rest of its time 38 00:04:32.355 --> 00:04:34.023 {\an1}trying to live up to that question. 39 00:04:36.109 --> 00:04:38.319 {\an1}♪ And it would knock me To the floor ♪ 40 00:04:38.403 --> 00:04:40.780 {\an1}♪ If I wasn't there already ♪ 41 00:04:40.863 --> 00:04:44.033 {\an1}♪ If only I could hunt The hunter ♪ 42 00:04:46.202 --> 00:04:49.247 {\an1}TAYLOR: At the time, almost one out of every ten people 43 00:04:49.330 --> 00:04:51.416 {\an1}in America had the album. 44 00:04:51.499 --> 00:04:54.585 {\an1}Wherever you went, everyone knew Jagged Little Pill. 45 00:04:55.628 --> 00:04:58.589 {\an1}LORRAINE ALI: It's so rare for an artist 46 00:04:58.673 --> 00:05:00.216 {\an1}who's totally unknown 47 00:05:00.299 --> 00:05:02.385 {\an1}to come out with a debut album, 48 00:05:02.468 --> 00:05:04.887 {\an1}have one hit after another 49 00:05:04.971 --> 00:05:07.640 {\an1}to the point where they're not only, like, 50 00:05:07.724 --> 00:05:08.933 {\an1}a national phenomenon, 51 00:05:09.017 --> 00:05:11.394 {\an1}they're, like, a world-wide phenomenon. 52 00:05:11.477 --> 00:05:16.024 {\an1}♪ A way to get my hands untied ♪ 53 00:05:16.107 --> 00:05:17.358 {\an1}♪ And all I really want... ♪ 54 00:05:17.442 --> 00:05:21.863 {\an1}LISA WORDEN: Her brutal honesty is what empowered women. 55 00:05:21.946 --> 00:05:25.783 {\an1}It just gave you a chance to let out your own feelings. 56 00:05:26.576 --> 00:05:28.995 {\an1}It's like, "I've got a voice. 57 00:05:29.078 --> 00:05:30.288 {\an1}I'm 19 years old, 58 00:05:30.371 --> 00:05:33.499 {\an1}and I'm gonna fucking well tell you how I feel about that." 59 00:05:38.671 --> 00:05:41.257 {\an1}A lot of people would say, "Wow, you're so brave. 60 00:05:41.340 --> 00:05:44.302 {\an1}"You're so empowered. You're so strong," you know? 61 00:05:44.385 --> 00:05:46.304 {\an1}And I'm like, "Sometimes." 62 00:05:47.972 --> 00:05:49.265 {\an1}I can't write all these songs 63 00:05:49.348 --> 00:05:51.225 {\an1}without obviously having been disempowered. 64 00:05:51.308 --> 00:05:53.728 {\an1}I mean, half these songs are about attempting 65 00:05:53.811 --> 00:05:55.063 {\an1}to become empowered. 66 00:06:27.887 --> 00:06:30.098 {\an1}Alanis interview, take one. 67 00:06:30.723 --> 00:06:31.849 {\an1}A mark. 68 00:06:35.061 --> 00:06:37.355 {\an1}-ALISON KLAYMAN: So Canada, eh? -(LAUGHS) 69 00:06:37.438 --> 00:06:38.981 {\an1}ALISON: Tell us about where you grew up. 70 00:06:39.065 --> 00:06:42.235 {\an1}Ottawa is a sweet hometown of mine. 71 00:06:42.318 --> 00:06:43.569 {\an1}Capital of Canada. 72 00:06:45.196 --> 00:06:46.906 {\an1}Every woman from Ottawa that I know 73 00:06:46.989 --> 00:06:50.784 {\an1}is hyper-capable and competent, outspoken, 74 00:06:50.868 --> 00:06:54.622 {\an1}slightly androgynous, and fun, and knows how to party. 75 00:07:01.003 --> 00:07:04.799 {\an1}I lived in Ottawa for the first three years of my life... 76 00:07:06.717 --> 00:07:09.929 {\an1}and then we moved to Germany for a few years. 77 00:07:10.012 --> 00:07:14.350 {\an1}But I consider myself to have grown up in Ottawa, primarily, 78 00:07:14.433 --> 00:07:17.645 {\an1}and then influenced by the three-some-odd years 79 00:07:17.728 --> 00:07:18.980 {\an1}that we were in Europe. 80 00:07:20.022 --> 00:07:21.858 {\an1}And my parents were both teachers. 81 00:07:23.734 --> 00:07:25.820 {\an1}I have an older brother named Chad 82 00:07:25.903 --> 00:07:27.738 {\an1}and a twin brother named Wade. 83 00:07:29.073 --> 00:07:31.325 {\an1}My cousins used to say that they were coming over 84 00:07:31.409 --> 00:07:32.659 {\an1}to see the three boys. 85 00:07:33.244 --> 00:07:35.163 {\an1}"Come on, boys." 86 00:07:35.246 --> 00:07:37.707 {\an1}And I'd be like, "Okay, I guess that includes me." 87 00:07:39.709 --> 00:07:41.586 {\an1}I was eight and nine, 88 00:07:41.669 --> 00:07:44.797 {\an1}and I used to just sing songs into a cassette tape. 89 00:07:44.881 --> 00:07:49.260 {\an1}I wanted to be a dancer, actor, teacher, writer, nurse. 90 00:07:49.343 --> 00:07:50.511 {\an1}Archetypes. 91 00:07:51.929 --> 00:07:55.892 {\an1}Meet the parents. It's us! (CHUCKLES) 92 00:07:55.975 --> 00:07:58.603 {\an1}-Dysfunctional. -(CHUCKLES) 93 00:07:59.812 --> 00:08:01.564 {\an1}My mom is just breathtaking. 94 00:08:02.857 --> 00:08:04.358 {\an1}Anytime I feel beautiful, 95 00:08:04.442 --> 00:08:06.611 {\an1}I feel as though I look like her. 96 00:08:06.694 --> 00:08:08.696 {\an1}And when I don't feel so beautiful, 97 00:08:08.779 --> 00:08:10.990 {\an1}I don't look like her at all. 98 00:08:11.073 --> 00:08:14.410 {\an1}My dad always wanted to be in the entertainment industry. 99 00:08:14.493 --> 00:08:17.371 {\an1}He loves music. He loves film. 100 00:08:17.455 --> 00:08:19.707 {\an1}My dad definitely had his eye out all the time. 101 00:08:19.790 --> 00:08:21.334 {\an1}He was pretty excited to share anything 102 00:08:21.417 --> 00:08:23.211 {\an1}that would open those doors for me. 103 00:08:28.174 --> 00:08:30.092 {\an1}Touch my brother, would ya? 104 00:08:30.176 --> 00:08:32.803 {\an1}-Hey, Stephanie? -Yes, Alanis? 105 00:08:32.886 --> 00:08:36.140 {\an1}ALANIS: I auditioned for You Can't Do That on Television. 106 00:08:36.224 --> 00:08:38.601 {\an1}It was a big cattle call. 107 00:08:38.683 --> 00:08:42.020 {\an1}It's a kids' show that also winks to the parents. 108 00:08:42.104 --> 00:08:44.148 {\an1}Alanis, you must have a good idea. 109 00:08:44.232 --> 00:08:45.483 {\an1}I don't know. 110 00:08:48.986 --> 00:08:50.947 {\an1}If you say "I don't know," you get slimed. 111 00:08:51.030 --> 00:08:53.824 {\an1}Alasdair, you did that on purpose. 112 00:08:53.908 --> 00:08:55.326 {\an1}Now I will hate you. 113 00:08:55.409 --> 00:08:56.911 {\an1}It was too much like a full-time job, 114 00:08:56.994 --> 00:09:00.039 {\an1}I mean, we were on a TV show. So it was like, okay, 115 00:09:00.122 --> 00:09:02.375 {\an1}you're ten or you're 11 or you're 12, 116 00:09:03.125 --> 00:09:04.627 {\an1}and here are your hours. 117 00:09:07.546 --> 00:09:09.966 {\an1}I loved singing in church. 118 00:09:10.049 --> 00:09:11.425 {\an1}Basically a room every Sunday 119 00:09:11.509 --> 00:09:13.261 {\an1}where we're all singing at the top of our lungs, 120 00:09:13.344 --> 00:09:17.473 {\an1}these songs of rapture and gratitude and exaltation. 121 00:09:17.557 --> 00:09:18.808 {\an1}Yes! 122 00:09:18.891 --> 00:09:20.017 {\an1}I was singing, 123 00:09:20.101 --> 00:09:22.144 {\an1}and a woman tapped me on the shoulder really quietly, 124 00:09:22.228 --> 00:09:24.814 {\an1}and she said, "You have a beautiful voice." 125 00:09:26.274 --> 00:09:30.111 {\an1}And I remember thinking, "I do? Thanks!" 126 00:09:30.194 --> 00:09:32.280 {\an1}And I just remember sitting for the rest of Mass 127 00:09:32.363 --> 00:09:33.781 {\an1}just being, like... (GASPS) 128 00:09:33.864 --> 00:09:36.450 {\an1}RADIO HOST: My guest tonight is Alanis Morissette. 129 00:09:36.534 --> 00:09:38.119 {\an1}And I welcome you in, Alanis, 130 00:09:38.202 --> 00:09:39.912 {\an1}because I think you are the youngest guest 131 00:09:39.996 --> 00:09:41.872 {\an1}who I've ever had on this program. 132 00:09:41.956 --> 00:09:43.290 {\an1}(ALANIS CHUCKLES) 133 00:09:43.374 --> 00:09:45.835 {\an1}RADIO HOST: Twelve years old, and you actually sing and write 134 00:09:45.918 --> 00:09:47.712 {\an1}-your own music, right? -ALANIS: Yes, I do. 135 00:09:47.795 --> 00:09:50.840 {\an1}When I was ten, I just thought, "Hey, why don't I write a song?" 136 00:09:50.923 --> 00:09:52.008 {\an1}And I did. 137 00:09:52.091 --> 00:09:56.095 {\an1}♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 138 00:09:58.222 --> 00:10:01.309 {\an1}♪ What did you think I'd be doing now? ♪ 139 00:10:01.392 --> 00:10:04.478 {\an1}♪ While you left me I was thinking aloud ♪ 140 00:10:04.562 --> 00:10:07.648 {\an1}♪ Will there be no end To my sorrow? ♪ 141 00:10:07.732 --> 00:10:10.985 {\an1}♪ Will I make it Through tomorrow? ♪ 142 00:10:11.068 --> 00:10:13.529 {\an1}SHOW HOST: Ladies and gentlemen, the 1987 CJOH 143 00:10:13.612 --> 00:10:16.157 {\an1}Youth Talent Search '87 grand prize winner 144 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.451 {\an1}is Alanis Morissette! 145 00:10:20.161 --> 00:10:23.706 {\an1}This was when all the vision for what was possible 146 00:10:23.789 --> 00:10:26.667 {\an1}for the rest of my life, like, started getting flashes 147 00:10:26.751 --> 00:10:29.253 {\an1}of photos of me traveling and touring, 148 00:10:29.337 --> 00:10:31.505 {\an1}and it all started to feel possible. 149 00:10:31.589 --> 00:10:34.258 {\an1}♪ Fate, fate, fate Stay with me ♪ 150 00:10:34.342 --> 00:10:36.677 {\an1}I'd get on airplanes when I was ten, 151 00:10:36.761 --> 00:10:38.554 {\an1}and my mom would tap the gentleman's shoulder 152 00:10:38.637 --> 00:10:40.348 {\an1}and say, "Could you just kind of 153 00:10:40.431 --> 00:10:42.767 {\an1}keep an eye on my daughter on this flight?" 154 00:10:42.850 --> 00:10:46.228 {\an1}So I'd fly to Toronto and do photoshoots 155 00:10:46.312 --> 00:10:48.522 {\an1}and music sessions and interviews. 156 00:10:50.358 --> 00:10:52.360 {\an1}It was just a different era. 157 00:10:52.443 --> 00:10:55.780 {\an1}We're really enjoying kind of the ride, if you wish, along. 158 00:10:55.863 --> 00:10:58.532 {\an1}And our basic purpose is to try to make sure 159 00:10:58.616 --> 00:11:02.203 {\an1}that the right people are surrounding Alanis. 160 00:11:02.286 --> 00:11:05.247 {\an1}ALANIS: My dad met Leslie Howe at a restaurant. 161 00:11:05.331 --> 00:11:09.168 {\an1}He was pretty much the only person in Canada who made music, 162 00:11:09.251 --> 00:11:12.046 {\an1}whom we knew of, who lived in Ottawa. 163 00:11:12.129 --> 00:11:14.590 {\an1}So the thought on my dad's part was, 164 00:11:14.673 --> 00:11:17.176 {\an1}"Well, this would be the perfect person to speak with." 165 00:11:17.259 --> 00:11:19.011 {\an1}LESLIE HOWE: They came over one day with some tapes 166 00:11:19.095 --> 00:11:21.931 {\an1}and approached me on seeing if I would 167 00:11:22.014 --> 00:11:23.224 {\an1}be interested in producing her. 168 00:11:23.307 --> 00:11:26.143 {\an1}And they dropped off a tape, and I said I'd listen to it. 169 00:11:26.227 --> 00:11:29.230 {\an1}I thought, you know, it's pretty damn good for somebody her age. 170 00:11:29.313 --> 00:11:31.941 {\an1}I'm working with Leslie Howe right now from One to One. 171 00:11:32.024 --> 00:11:33.401 {\an1}He's producing my album. 172 00:11:33.484 --> 00:11:35.569 {\an1}INTERVIEWER: And all of that having just turned 15. 173 00:11:35.653 --> 00:11:37.196 {\an1}-Yeah. -(INTERVIEWER LAUGHS) 174 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.990 {\an1}ALANIS: Working with Leslie, just singing and singing and singing 175 00:11:40.074 --> 00:11:43.494 {\an1}and just cut my teeth on vocal aerobics, basically. 176 00:11:43.577 --> 00:11:46.455 {\an1}His style of production was much more... (IMITATES WHIP) 177 00:11:47.790 --> 00:11:49.417 {\an1}Forty-two tracks of harmonies. 178 00:11:49.500 --> 00:11:52.420 {\an1}Sing it again, sing it again, sing it again, sing it again. 179 00:11:52.503 --> 00:11:55.756 {\an1}So there was some element later where I compensatorily was like, 180 00:11:55.840 --> 00:12:00.261 {\an1}"I'm not doing fucking 50 takes. I'm doing one... or two." 181 00:12:01.387 --> 00:12:02.888 {\an1}That's when I started writing songs 182 00:12:02.972 --> 00:12:05.599 {\an1}for what became my self-titled record 183 00:12:05.683 --> 00:12:09.437 {\an1}with the song "Too Hot" on it, that I released when I was 16. 184 00:12:09.520 --> 00:12:10.896 {\an1}♪ ("TOO HOT" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 185 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:13.441 {\an1}♪ Always too hot Never too cold ♪ 186 00:12:13.524 --> 00:12:16.110 {\an1}♪ You make your best shot Too hot to hold... ♪ 187 00:12:16.193 --> 00:12:18.237 {\an1}ALANIS: We did a video for "Too Hot". 188 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.574 {\an1}It was one of the most fun parts of life. 189 00:12:21.657 --> 00:12:25.035 {\an1}♪ Hey, boy You wanted all or nothin'... ♪ 190 00:12:25.119 --> 00:12:27.872 {\an1}There was an element of lack of hyper-protection, 191 00:12:27.955 --> 00:12:29.206 {\an1}no question. 192 00:12:29.290 --> 00:12:32.334 {\an1}I mean, I was shooting music videos in Paris. 193 00:12:35.087 --> 00:12:36.505 {\an1}I put a bathing suit on at one point 194 00:12:36.589 --> 00:12:38.424 {\an1}and jumped into the fountain. 195 00:12:38.507 --> 00:12:41.010 {\an1}Just as the police were coming to boot us out, we... (WHOOSHES) 196 00:12:41.093 --> 00:12:42.094 {\an1}We bolted. 197 00:12:42.178 --> 00:12:44.138 {\an1}LESLIE: And I guess she's just got this... 198 00:12:44.221 --> 00:12:45.347 {\an1}charisma that people like. 199 00:12:45.431 --> 00:12:47.850 {\an1}And they want to hear her, and they want to see her. 200 00:12:47.933 --> 00:12:49.894 {\an1}Alanis' summer has been spent 201 00:12:49.977 --> 00:12:52.271 {\an1}traveling with me across the country. 202 00:12:52.354 --> 00:12:54.774 {\an1}I'm going to Florida for Christmas. 203 00:12:55.232 --> 00:12:57.026 {\an1}(BOTH CHUCKLE) 204 00:12:57.109 --> 00:13:00.738 {\an1}On one level, I just thought, "This is dream-come-true stuff. 205 00:13:00.821 --> 00:13:02.656 {\an1}"This is, like, catalyst beginning 206 00:13:02.740 --> 00:13:04.783 {\an1}of a life of my dreams," you know? 207 00:13:04.867 --> 00:13:06.452 {\an1}And then on another hand, it was like, 208 00:13:06.535 --> 00:13:09.914 {\an1}"Where is my protection? Where is everybody?" 209 00:13:09.997 --> 00:13:13.626 {\an1}I lived to dance, so we'd go to these huge, huge clubs in Paris 210 00:13:13.709 --> 00:13:15.127 {\an1}and dance. 211 00:13:15.211 --> 00:13:19.089 {\an1}You know, hit on a bunch of times by people way too old. 212 00:13:19.173 --> 00:13:21.675 {\an1}Guys asking me to give them blowjobs in the bathroom. 213 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:22.885 {\an1}And I'm just like... 214 00:13:28.474 --> 00:13:30.976 {\an1}Everyone was just so excited 215 00:13:31.060 --> 00:13:32.895 {\an1}about what was going on with music 216 00:13:32.978 --> 00:13:36.649 {\an1}and with the taking-off of my career, I think, 217 00:13:36.732 --> 00:13:38.734 {\an1}that it became really enticing. 218 00:13:38.817 --> 00:13:40.736 {\an1}ANNOUNCER: A gold record! 219 00:13:40.819 --> 00:13:44.740 {\an1}Representing sales of over 50,000 copies 220 00:13:44.823 --> 00:13:47.743 {\an1}of her MCA debut album, Alanis. 221 00:13:52.665 --> 00:13:54.667 {\an1}I remember when I was, like, 15 or 16, 222 00:13:54.750 --> 00:13:58.003 {\an1}I started gaining weight because I was going through puberty. 223 00:13:58.087 --> 00:14:02.132 {\an1}And I was called in to the studio to "redo my vocals", 224 00:14:02.216 --> 00:14:03.759 {\an1}and when I got there... 225 00:14:04.802 --> 00:14:06.178 {\an1}the producer said... 226 00:14:08.222 --> 00:14:09.515 {\an1}"We're not doing vocals. 227 00:14:09.598 --> 00:14:11.392 {\an1}We're here to talk about your weight." 228 00:14:19.483 --> 00:14:21.819 {\an1}Whenever I would go to a video shoot, 229 00:14:21.902 --> 00:14:24.738 {\an1}I remember sneaking Velveeta slice-- cheese slices 230 00:14:24.822 --> 00:14:27.575 {\an1}from the fridge at 3:00 in the morning. 231 00:14:27.658 --> 00:14:30.578 {\an1}And then the next morning would come, and... 232 00:14:30.661 --> 00:14:32.705 {\an1}he would walk in and count them 233 00:14:32.788 --> 00:14:37.334 {\an1}and say, "Did you eat two slices of cheese during the night?" 234 00:14:37.418 --> 00:14:40.254 {\an1}We'd go out to eat, he'd have a whole-size large pizza, 235 00:14:40.337 --> 00:14:42.798 {\an1}and I was allowed to buy a black coffee, 236 00:14:42.881 --> 00:14:44.258 {\an1}but I couldn't put milk in it. 237 00:14:46.510 --> 00:14:48.262 {\an1}So, yeah, that kick-started 238 00:14:48.345 --> 00:14:50.764 {\an1}a massive eating disorder journey for me. 239 00:14:54.226 --> 00:14:57.730 {\an1}I've been in active recovery for this eating disorder 240 00:14:57.813 --> 00:14:58.981 {\an1}my whole life. 241 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:07.823 {\an1}My two best friends were Steph Gibson and Cynthia Smith. 242 00:15:07.906 --> 00:15:10.868 {\an1}Cynthia's a good singer too. She's underestimating herself. 243 00:15:10.951 --> 00:15:12.578 {\an1}-(ALL GIGGLE) -Nah. 244 00:15:12.661 --> 00:15:14.955 {\an1}-STEPH GIBSON: Sure. (LAUGHS) -Steph's coming on the road with me for sure. 245 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:16.248 {\an1}Yeah, right. 246 00:15:17.958 --> 00:15:19.877 {\an1}STEPH: I don't know that she opened up 247 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:25.507 {\an1}even to us 100 percent with what she was going through in life. 248 00:15:25.591 --> 00:15:29.178 {\an1}She probably struggled a lot, but, you know, 249 00:15:29.261 --> 00:15:30.554 {\an1}not a lot of people knew. 250 00:15:31.889 --> 00:15:34.725 {\an1}And Steph was the one that basically 251 00:15:34.808 --> 00:15:38.062 {\an1}caught me sticking my finger down my throat. 252 00:15:38.145 --> 00:15:40.147 {\an1}I just wrapped my arms around her 253 00:15:40.230 --> 00:15:42.691 {\an1}and gave her a big hug, and, you know, 254 00:15:42.775 --> 00:15:46.278 {\an1}I think she knew at that point that I was there for her, 255 00:15:46.362 --> 00:15:49.823 {\an1}and I would help in any way I could. 256 00:15:49.907 --> 00:15:52.660 {\an1}It was the first time that anyone said a word about it. 257 00:15:54.411 --> 00:15:57.122 {\an1}I'll be grateful to her forever for that, 258 00:15:57.206 --> 00:15:58.582 {\an1}because there was no shame. 259 00:15:58.665 --> 00:16:00.626 {\an1}It wasn't like, "What are you doing?" 260 00:16:00.709 --> 00:16:03.545 {\an1}It was like, "Should we talk about this?" 261 00:16:03.629 --> 00:16:04.755 {\an1}So sweet. 262 00:16:06.298 --> 00:16:09.093 {\an1}I could see why somebody would pick you out from the crowd. 263 00:16:09.176 --> 00:16:11.887 {\an1}-The camera does like you. -Well, thanks. 264 00:16:11.970 --> 00:16:15.641 {\an1}♪ Why is true love Just so hard to find? ♪ 265 00:16:15.724 --> 00:16:17.726 {\an1}ALANIS: Something about me being 15, 266 00:16:17.810 --> 00:16:20.104 {\an1}that's when I really started to be hit on. 267 00:16:21.730 --> 00:16:23.315 {\an1}Twelve, they were a little scared. 268 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:25.150 {\an1}Thirteen, they were a little scared, 269 00:16:25.234 --> 00:16:26.860 {\an1}but they'd still, you know... 270 00:16:26.944 --> 00:16:29.613 {\an1}Fourteen, less scary, but still scary. 271 00:16:29.697 --> 00:16:31.365 {\an1}Fifteen, all bets were off. 272 00:16:31.448 --> 00:16:34.576 {\an1}Somehow that seemed like a safer number for people. 273 00:16:36.954 --> 00:16:39.164 {\an1}I was a young girl in a studio 274 00:16:39.248 --> 00:16:41.792 {\an1}from 3:30 or 4:00 p.m. every day 275 00:16:41.875 --> 00:16:43.627 {\an1}till 3:00 in the morning. 276 00:16:43.711 --> 00:16:46.755 {\an1}You know, you don't leave her alone. 277 00:16:47.881 --> 00:16:49.383 {\an1}I just thought it was... 278 00:16:50.592 --> 00:16:54.304 {\an1}my fault, because almost every single person 279 00:16:54.388 --> 00:16:57.141 {\an1}that I would work with, 280 00:16:57.224 --> 00:16:58.851 {\an1}there would be some turning point 281 00:16:58.934 --> 00:17:01.103 {\an1}where the camera would go Dutch angle. 282 00:17:01.186 --> 00:17:03.105 {\an1}And I would just wait for it. I was like, 283 00:17:03.188 --> 00:17:05.941 {\an1}"Okay, this won't happen in the first week for this one, 284 00:17:06.023 --> 00:17:08.694 {\an1}but it'll happen," you know? And then sure enough, it would, 285 00:17:08.777 --> 00:17:11.238 {\an1}and it would either end the relationship, 286 00:17:11.320 --> 00:17:13.240 {\an1}or then there would be just some big secret 287 00:17:13.323 --> 00:17:15.242 {\an1}that we'd keep forever. 288 00:17:15.325 --> 00:17:17.869 {\an1}♪ ("REAL WORLD" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 289 00:17:17.953 --> 00:17:19.788 {\an1}♪ It's not a game ♪ 290 00:17:19.872 --> 00:17:23.333 {\an1}ALANIS: We went to shoot a video for a song called "Real World". 291 00:17:24.877 --> 00:17:26.377 {\an1}The snake video. (CHUCKLES) 292 00:17:27.628 --> 00:17:31.467 {\an1}MCA Records did not know what category I would fit in 293 00:17:31.550 --> 00:17:35.929 {\an1}as I was evolving from performer, pop princess. 294 00:17:36.013 --> 00:17:37.890 {\an1}You know, they could handle that. 295 00:17:39.391 --> 00:17:42.144 {\an1}I was really starting to write my own material, 296 00:17:42.227 --> 00:17:44.188 {\an1}and it was just going in way too different 297 00:17:44.271 --> 00:17:45.606 {\an1}of a direction for them. 298 00:17:45.689 --> 00:17:47.733 {\an1}And a couple of the head people there, 299 00:17:47.816 --> 00:17:49.026 {\an1}I remember they pulled me aside, 300 00:17:49.109 --> 00:17:52.279 {\an1}and they said, "What are you doing with these new songs? 301 00:17:52.362 --> 00:17:55.073 {\an1}You should just keep doing what you've been doing, 302 00:17:55.157 --> 00:17:56.283 {\an1}what people know you as 303 00:17:56.366 --> 00:17:58.869 {\an1}and what Uncle John Alexander wants you to do." 304 00:18:03.707 --> 00:18:06.710 {\an1}I was in my apartment in Toronto... 305 00:18:06.794 --> 00:18:10.464 {\an1}and I got a phone call. "MCA's dropping you." 306 00:18:12.466 --> 00:18:14.009 {\an1}It was really terrifying and painful 307 00:18:14.092 --> 00:18:16.053 {\an1}because I was standing up to all these people 308 00:18:16.136 --> 00:18:19.598 {\an1}who had a very clear way of doing it the way they wanted. 309 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:22.267 {\an1}You know, I had that people-please-y, 310 00:18:22.351 --> 00:18:23.477 {\an1}smiling-all-the-time thing, 311 00:18:23.560 --> 00:18:25.562 {\an1}but underneath it was this churning 312 00:18:25.646 --> 00:18:28.273 {\an1}of how out-of-integrity so much felt. 313 00:18:34.321 --> 00:18:37.115 {\an1}This is a song called "Right Through You". 314 00:18:37.199 --> 00:18:42.454 {\an1}♪ ("RIGHT THROUGH YOU" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 315 00:18:44.873 --> 00:18:46.458 {\an1}♪ Wait a minute, man ♪ 316 00:18:47.459 --> 00:18:50.504 {\an1}♪ You mispronounced my name ♪ 317 00:18:50.587 --> 00:18:53.715 {\an1}♪ You didn't wait for All the information ♪ 318 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.635 {\an1}♪ Before you turned me away ♪ 319 00:18:56.718 --> 00:18:58.762 {\an1}♪ Wait a minute, sir ♪ 320 00:18:59.805 --> 00:19:02.599 {\an1}♪ You kind of hurt my feelings ♪ 321 00:19:02.683 --> 00:19:05.602 {\an1}♪ You see me as a sweet Back-loaded puppet ♪ 322 00:19:05.686 --> 00:19:08.480 {\an1}♪ And you've got Meal-ticket taste ♪ 323 00:19:08.564 --> 00:19:12.943 {\an1}♪ I see right through you ♪ 324 00:19:14.611 --> 00:19:20.200 {\an1}♪ I know right through you ♪ 325 00:19:20.284 --> 00:19:24.621 {\an1}♪ I feel right through you ♪ 326 00:19:26.748 --> 00:19:31.336 {\an1}♪ I walk right through you ♪ 327 00:19:31.420 --> 00:19:33.505 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 328 00:19:44.850 --> 00:19:47.769 {\an1}♪ You took me for a joke, yeah ♪ 329 00:19:47.853 --> 00:19:49.897 {\an1}♪ You took me for a child ♪ 330 00:19:50.981 --> 00:19:53.942 {\an1}♪ You took a long hard look At my ass ♪ 331 00:19:54.026 --> 00:19:56.737 {\an1}♪ And then played golf For a while ♪ 332 00:19:56.820 --> 00:19:58.572 {\an1}♪ Your shake is like a fish ♪ 333 00:19:59.740 --> 00:20:02.409 {\an1}♪ You pat me on the head ♪ 334 00:20:02.492 --> 00:20:05.746 {\an1}♪ You took me out To wine, dine, 69 me ♪ 335 00:20:05.829 --> 00:20:08.749 {\an1}♪ But didn't hear A damn word I said ♪ 336 00:20:08.832 --> 00:20:12.461 {\an1}♪ I see right through you ♪ 337 00:20:12.544 --> 00:20:14.463 {\an1}ALANIS: The early part of my songwriting, 338 00:20:14.546 --> 00:20:17.341 {\an1}I was working with people who said I couldn't write. 339 00:20:19.343 --> 00:20:23.597 {\an1}One of the liberating factors to being dropped by MCA Records 340 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:25.557 {\an1}was that I promised myself 341 00:20:25.641 --> 00:20:28.018 {\an1}that I would not stop until I was in a room 342 00:20:28.101 --> 00:20:29.978 {\an1}with someone who saw me as a writer, 343 00:20:30.062 --> 00:20:32.606 {\an1}saw me as a human being expressing herself. 344 00:20:32.689 --> 00:20:33.815 {\an1}♪ You ♪ 345 00:20:33.899 --> 00:20:37.027 {\an1}-♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪ -(APPLAUSE) 346 00:20:46.578 --> 00:20:48.163 {\an1}ALANIS: Ooh, that smells like travel. 347 00:20:48.246 --> 00:20:51.375 {\an1}-EJ DEVONKAITIS: I knew it wasn't just luggage. -(ALANIS LAUGHS) 348 00:20:51.458 --> 00:20:53.919 {\an1}-There are some boxes mixed in. -(GASPS) How exciting. 349 00:20:56.964 --> 00:20:59.675 {\an1}This is my record from when I was, um... 350 00:20:59.758 --> 00:21:01.176 {\an1}ten and 11. 351 00:21:02.427 --> 00:21:05.430 {\an1}That's how I wrote it. On that thing. 352 00:21:05.514 --> 00:21:07.140 {\an1}It's a Fostex 4-track, 353 00:21:07.224 --> 00:21:09.059 {\an1}and you literally record it on a cassette tape 354 00:21:09.142 --> 00:21:12.187 {\an1}that would go backwards and forwards, like a reel-to-reel. 355 00:21:12.896 --> 00:21:14.106 {\an1}(LAUGHS) 356 00:21:14.189 --> 00:21:16.441 {\an1}It's the only thing I could... (CHUCKLES) 357 00:21:16.525 --> 00:21:19.152 {\an1}It was simple enough for me to engineer. 358 00:21:27.244 --> 00:21:28.662 {\an1}It's such a fucking good movie. 359 00:21:28.745 --> 00:21:31.164 {\an1}When I read the script, I was like, "Are you joking? 360 00:21:31.248 --> 00:21:32.582 {\an1}This is the greatest script." 361 00:21:32.666 --> 00:21:36.211 {\an1}Post-Catholic stress disorder was very validated. 362 00:21:41.925 --> 00:21:44.678 {\an1}When I first moved to Los Angeles. 363 00:21:44.761 --> 00:21:47.347 {\an1}Oh, this is just before the mayhem. 364 00:21:50.809 --> 00:21:51.935 {\an1}Aw. 365 00:21:54.688 --> 00:21:58.025 {\an1}Letters to and from all my ex-boyfriends. 366 00:22:00.902 --> 00:22:03.780 {\an1}(CHUCKLES) "Dear Alanis..." 367 00:22:03.864 --> 00:22:07.826 {\an1}Ooh! I need to sage myself tonight. (LAUGHS) 368 00:22:08.368 --> 00:22:09.786 {\an1}Okay, let's see. 369 00:22:09.870 --> 00:22:12.789 {\an1}Oh yeah, this is all writing Jagged Little Pill. 370 00:22:15.083 --> 00:22:17.669 {\an1}I mean, there's gonna be some gems in here. 371 00:22:18.837 --> 00:22:21.298 {\an1}This is the first version of "Ironic" right here. 372 00:22:23.508 --> 00:22:25.635 {\an1}And the first version of "Perfect". 373 00:22:25.719 --> 00:22:28.972 {\an1}I mean, it's basically what's on the record, is the truth. 374 00:22:29.056 --> 00:22:32.350 {\an1}May 27, 1994. 375 00:22:37.481 --> 00:22:39.066 {\an1}I was dying to go to Los Angeles 376 00:22:39.149 --> 00:22:42.110 {\an1}because I felt as though I could start with a clean slate. 377 00:22:42.194 --> 00:22:45.238 {\an1}People wouldn't have any preconceived notions of, 378 00:22:45.322 --> 00:22:47.282 {\an1}"Oh, you can't be anything other than who you were 379 00:22:47.365 --> 00:22:49.367 {\an1}when you were 15. What are you, crazy?" 380 00:22:56.708 --> 00:22:59.586 {\an1}I think the cultural difference between Canada and America 381 00:22:59.669 --> 00:23:02.380 {\an1}was severely underestimated. 382 00:23:02.464 --> 00:23:06.009 {\an1}The old saying, "LA can make you or break you" is very true. 383 00:23:06.093 --> 00:23:08.553 {\an1}I think that I've learned a lot from that city. 384 00:23:08.637 --> 00:23:09.763 {\an1}I've learned how to be assertive, 385 00:23:09.846 --> 00:23:11.765 {\an1}I've learned to stand up for what I believe in. 386 00:23:11.848 --> 00:23:13.475 {\an1}I've learned to walk away from environments 387 00:23:13.558 --> 00:23:15.852 {\an1}that are just not happening. 388 00:23:15.936 --> 00:23:17.354 {\an1}I used to spend time with anyone, 389 00:23:17.437 --> 00:23:19.564 {\an1}regardless of how I felt with them. 390 00:23:19.648 --> 00:23:21.525 {\an1}And... I don't know. 391 00:23:21.608 --> 00:23:23.985 {\an1}It's helped me to be able to spend time with people 392 00:23:24.069 --> 00:23:26.738 {\an1}that it's a mutually gratifying kind of relationship. 393 00:23:30.909 --> 00:23:32.744 {\an1}I co-wrote with... 394 00:23:32.828 --> 00:23:38.250 {\an1}maybe four people in LA. And then I met Glen. 395 00:23:38.333 --> 00:23:41.878 {\an1}When I met Alanis, and she was 19 years old... 396 00:23:41.962 --> 00:23:44.214 {\an1}not knowing exactly what she wanted to do, 397 00:23:44.297 --> 00:23:47.050 {\an1}but she knew damn well what she did not want to do. 398 00:23:47.134 --> 00:23:49.970 {\an1}And she didn't want to be stuck into a machine... 399 00:23:51.263 --> 00:23:53.181 {\an1}Big hair and dance moves. 400 00:23:53.265 --> 00:23:55.767 {\an1}She was looking for somebody to be an artist with. 401 00:23:55.851 --> 00:23:58.353 {\an1}We talked very briefly, and then went straight to the studio 402 00:23:58.436 --> 00:24:00.772 {\an1}and wrote "The Bottom Line". 403 00:24:00.856 --> 00:24:05.318 {\an1}(LAUGHING) It's verse and chorus. 404 00:24:05.402 --> 00:24:08.780 {\an1}♪ ("THE BOTTOM LINE" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 405 00:24:11.116 --> 00:24:17.622 {\an1}♪ If somebody asked you To surrender ♪ 406 00:24:17.706 --> 00:24:24.004 {\an1}♪ And that was the only way To win ♪ 407 00:24:24.087 --> 00:24:30.635 {\an1}♪ If somebody offered you The freedom to ♪ 408 00:24:31.469 --> 00:24:36.933 {\an1}♪ Open your mind again ♪ 409 00:24:37.017 --> 00:24:43.190 {\an1}♪ Would you take that flight? Would you walk right in? ♪ 410 00:24:43.273 --> 00:24:49.613 {\an1}♪ So meet me down At the bottom line ♪ 411 00:24:49.696 --> 00:24:55.202 {\an1}♪ And open my heart With your hands ♪ 412 00:24:55.285 --> 00:24:58.371 {\an1}♪ And we'll hear the sound ♪ 413 00:24:58.455 --> 00:25:02.250 {\an1}-♪ Of pretenses falling ♪ -♪ Of pretenses falling ♪ 414 00:25:02.334 --> 00:25:05.086 {\an1}Oh, what a line. Oh shit. 415 00:25:05.170 --> 00:25:07.047 {\an1}I want to work with you. (LAUGHS) 416 00:25:09.007 --> 00:25:11.885 {\an1}♪ Down at the bottom... ♪ 417 00:25:11.968 --> 00:25:13.845 {\an1}GLEN: The way she was able to turn phrases just, like, 418 00:25:13.929 --> 00:25:16.890 {\an1}right out of her psyche. She's just a gifted writer. 419 00:25:18.141 --> 00:25:21.394 {\an1}ALANIS: His begged question was, "Who are you? 420 00:25:21.478 --> 00:25:22.687 {\an1}What do you want to write about? 421 00:25:22.771 --> 00:25:27.025 {\an1}What's going on for you?" And what a lovely prompt. 422 00:25:27.108 --> 00:25:29.236 {\an1}No one's ever asked me that ever. 423 00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:32.405 {\an1}GLEN: I didn't have a budget, so I just recorded it myself. 424 00:25:32.489 --> 00:25:34.157 {\an1}We did the demo right on the spot. 425 00:25:34.241 --> 00:25:36.826 {\an1}She went in and sang it. That was our first day. 426 00:25:42.499 --> 00:25:46.211 {\an1}Between February of 1994 and February of 1995, 427 00:25:46.294 --> 00:25:48.964 {\an1}twenty separate occasions, that's it. 428 00:25:49.047 --> 00:25:51.466 {\an1}Twenty sessions, twenty songs. 429 00:25:51.549 --> 00:25:54.886 {\an1}-ALANIS: (LAUGHS) Ready? -GLEN: "You Learn". 430 00:25:54.970 --> 00:25:56.888 {\an1}Yeah, let's do it. 431 00:26:00.600 --> 00:26:04.229 {\an1}In every way, it was like a secret, handmade project 432 00:26:04.312 --> 00:26:07.065 {\an1}that we just kind of amused ourselves with. 433 00:26:09.192 --> 00:26:10.443 {\an1}I'm just sitting down, 434 00:26:10.527 --> 00:26:13.321 {\an1}dialing up a beat, playing something on guitar. 435 00:26:13.405 --> 00:26:14.781 {\an1}She starts singing. 436 00:26:14.864 --> 00:26:16.783 {\an1}Eight hours later, I would have the music right, 437 00:26:16.866 --> 00:26:18.618 {\an1}she would have the lyrics right. 438 00:26:18.702 --> 00:26:20.120 {\an1}She'd be ready to sing it. 439 00:26:21.705 --> 00:26:23.498 {\an1}That was the track. 440 00:26:26.209 --> 00:26:27.836 {\an1}ALANIS: Sometimes the song would start 441 00:26:27.919 --> 00:26:29.045 {\an1}before we were even ready. 442 00:26:29.129 --> 00:26:32.007 {\an1}Like, he'd hit a chord, and I'd be like... (STUTTERS) 443 00:26:32.090 --> 00:26:33.466 {\an1}You know? 444 00:26:33.550 --> 00:26:35.176 {\an1}And then I'd start recording. 445 00:26:35.260 --> 00:26:38.305 {\an1}♪ It feels so good ♪ 446 00:26:38.388 --> 00:26:40.974 {\an1}Once a song is written, 447 00:26:41.057 --> 00:26:44.352 {\an1}I think I maybe changed lyrics after the fact 448 00:26:44.436 --> 00:26:45.854 {\an1}maybe twice in my whole career. 449 00:26:45.937 --> 00:26:48.565 {\an1}So they're pretty locked in once it's written. 450 00:26:48.648 --> 00:26:51.192 {\an1}♪ You love, you learn ♪ 451 00:26:51.276 --> 00:26:52.360 {\an1}When I would drive home, 452 00:26:52.444 --> 00:26:53.987 {\an1}I would listen to the song we worked on that day, 453 00:26:54.070 --> 00:26:55.363 {\an1}and I wouldn't remember having written it. 454 00:26:55.447 --> 00:26:56.740 {\an1}So it was almost like it would be 455 00:26:56.823 --> 00:26:59.534 {\an1}wiped out of my memory the second it was finished. 456 00:26:59.617 --> 00:27:00.827 {\an1}And I loved that process, 457 00:27:00.910 --> 00:27:03.204 {\an1}because I could actually listen to these songs 458 00:27:03.288 --> 00:27:06.875 {\an1}with objectivity at the time. Like, almost directly after. 459 00:27:11.671 --> 00:27:13.465 {\an1}Without even knowing I was doing it, 460 00:27:13.548 --> 00:27:16.885 {\an1}I was carving out my voice. 461 00:27:16.968 --> 00:27:19.888 {\an1}I love going inside, so that's not dangerous to me. 462 00:27:19.971 --> 00:27:23.183 {\an1}I'm not terrified of going in. In fact, the scarier it is, 463 00:27:23.266 --> 00:27:25.268 {\an1}the more I know that I've hit pay dirt. 464 00:27:29.773 --> 00:27:31.358 {\an1}GLEN: We couldn't get signed. 465 00:27:31.441 --> 00:27:34.778 {\an1}Every major record company, and all the secondary ones, 466 00:27:34.861 --> 00:27:37.113 {\an1}everybody rejected us. 467 00:27:37.197 --> 00:27:38.698 {\an1}In November, we wrote, "You Oughta Know", 468 00:27:38.782 --> 00:27:40.950 {\an1}"Head Over Feet", "Hand in My Pocket". 469 00:27:41.034 --> 00:27:42.702 {\an1}We were on this, like, major roll. 470 00:27:42.786 --> 00:27:45.830 {\an1}Everybody was kind of like, "Yeah, it's, like... (MIMICKING) 471 00:27:45.914 --> 00:27:47.957 {\an1}I don't know. What's her look?" 472 00:27:50.627 --> 00:27:53.088 {\an1}ALANIS: After multiple rejections, 473 00:27:53.171 --> 00:27:55.799 {\an1}I just said, "Hey, could we... 474 00:27:55.882 --> 00:27:58.551 {\an1}Can you just leave us alone? And we're just gonna write." 475 00:28:00.470 --> 00:28:02.722 {\an1}GLEN: When she went back to Canada for Christmas, 476 00:28:02.806 --> 00:28:05.600 {\an1}I didn't think I would actually ever see her again. 477 00:28:05.683 --> 00:28:09.270 {\an1}Somehow, they arranged one more trip back for her. 478 00:28:09.354 --> 00:28:13.483 {\an1}♪ ("ALL I REALLY WANT" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 479 00:28:17.862 --> 00:28:21.908 {\an1}GLEN: When she came back from Canada, she was pale... 480 00:28:21.991 --> 00:28:24.994 {\an1}rail-thin, and she walked in my studio, 481 00:28:25.078 --> 00:28:27.080 {\an1}and she had her sweater on backwards... 482 00:28:27.163 --> 00:28:28.498 {\an1}and inside out. 483 00:28:29.290 --> 00:28:31.793 {\an1}♪ Do I stress you out? ♪ 484 00:28:31.876 --> 00:28:34.879 {\an1}♪ My sweater is on backwards And inside out ♪ 485 00:28:34.963 --> 00:28:38.550 {\an1}♪ And you say How appropriate ♪ 486 00:28:40.093 --> 00:28:43.471 {\an1}Oh shit, she's still on it. Even though she's suffering, 487 00:28:43.555 --> 00:28:45.723 {\an1}like, she's still got this thing, you know? 488 00:28:45.807 --> 00:28:47.308 {\an1}♪ And all I really want ♪ 489 00:28:48.017 --> 00:28:49.686 {\an1}♪ Is some patience ♪ 490 00:28:51.062 --> 00:28:53.898 {\an1}♪ A way to calm The angry voice ♪ 491 00:28:55.692 --> 00:28:57.360 {\an1}♪ And all I really want ♪ 492 00:28:58.319 --> 00:28:59.946 {\an1}♪ Is deliverance ♪ 493 00:29:00.947 --> 00:29:04.617 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 494 00:29:05.994 --> 00:29:07.620 {\an1}I remember when I first played the record 495 00:29:07.704 --> 00:29:08.663 {\an1}and it was done to some people, 496 00:29:08.746 --> 00:29:11.291 {\an1}they were like, "This record is too-- 497 00:29:11.374 --> 00:29:13.793 {\an1}It's too in-your-face. It's too urgent. 498 00:29:13.877 --> 00:29:15.837 {\an1}It's too emotional," you know? 499 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.132 {\an1}And I'm just like, "Well, I am that right now. 500 00:29:19.215 --> 00:29:20.800 {\an1}And when I'm 34, I won't be, 501 00:29:20.884 --> 00:29:22.677 {\an1}and you won't get a record like that." 502 00:29:32.770 --> 00:29:34.522 {\an1}GUY OSEARY: Hi, can I order some sushi? 503 00:29:35.648 --> 00:29:39.277 {\an1}I started at Maverick at the age of 18. 504 00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:43.156 {\an1}I didn't really know much about the music business. 505 00:29:43.239 --> 00:29:45.783 {\an1}Okay, hold on. I'll call right back. 506 00:29:47.660 --> 00:29:48.912 {\an1}Okay, stop filming. 507 00:29:48.995 --> 00:29:51.206 {\an1}-I got some serious news. -(ALANIS LAUGHING) 508 00:29:51.289 --> 00:29:53.416 {\an1}-What? -I can't tell you on film. 509 00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:54.667 {\an1}I didn't even know what I was doing. 510 00:29:54.751 --> 00:29:57.795 {\an1}I had a briefcase that said "Wise Guy Records". 511 00:29:57.879 --> 00:29:59.214 {\an1}I didn't even know what that meant. 512 00:29:59.297 --> 00:30:00.882 {\an1}I just thought, "Wise guy..." 513 00:30:00.965 --> 00:30:04.552 {\an1}My job was to find talent and then develop it. 514 00:30:04.636 --> 00:30:08.389 {\an1}And then help that talent, um, reach an audience. 515 00:30:09.307 --> 00:30:11.684 {\an1}We get a call from the lawyers, 516 00:30:11.768 --> 00:30:15.605 {\an1}and they said, "We have a young executive at Maverick, 517 00:30:15.688 --> 00:30:19.317 {\an1}Madonna's label. Just go play this shit for them." 518 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:21.444 {\an1}And I said, "We can't come." 519 00:30:21.528 --> 00:30:26.115 {\an1}"We're writing a song right now, and I am not presentable." 520 00:30:26.199 --> 00:30:28.952 {\an1}And he said, "No, you got to go." 521 00:30:30.411 --> 00:30:31.913 {\an1}I think she was in workouts. 522 00:30:31.996 --> 00:30:34.207 {\an1}I just picked up the acoustic guitar, threw it in the car, 523 00:30:34.290 --> 00:30:36.459 {\an1}and we drove over to Maverick Records. 524 00:30:36.543 --> 00:30:42.715 {\an1}I go up to grab Alanis, and she was there with Glen. 525 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.927 {\an1}I'm like, "Oh, okay, that's--" I thought they were a band. 526 00:30:46.010 --> 00:30:48.096 {\an1}It looked very, like, could be hippie-ish. 527 00:30:48.179 --> 00:30:49.847 {\an1}I'm not even sure what's going on here. 528 00:30:49.931 --> 00:30:52.183 {\an1}Like-- But, okay. 529 00:30:52.267 --> 00:30:54.936 {\an1}And then we just walked into Guy's office right at the end. 530 00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:58.064 {\an1}He's like a guy that I went to high school with. 531 00:30:58.147 --> 00:31:00.400 {\an1}But, you know, he went to Beverly High School, 532 00:31:00.483 --> 00:31:02.068 {\an1}so he's got a little more experience. 533 00:31:02.151 --> 00:31:03.611 {\an1}He's hanging out with Madonna. 534 00:31:04.988 --> 00:31:08.032 {\an1}They put in a cassette tape. 535 00:31:08.116 --> 00:31:10.660 {\an1}♪ ("PERFECT" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 536 00:31:10.743 --> 00:31:13.204 {\an1}First song I heard was "Perfect". 537 00:31:13.955 --> 00:31:16.291 {\an1}♪ Sometimes ♪ 538 00:31:17.834 --> 00:31:21.629 {\an1}♪ Is never quite enough ♪ 539 00:31:24.424 --> 00:31:26.426 {\an1}♪ If you're flawless ♪ 540 00:31:29.554 --> 00:31:34.100 {\an1}♪ Then you'll win my love ♪ 541 00:31:36.561 --> 00:31:40.273 {\an1}♪ Don't forget to win First place ♪ 542 00:31:41.858 --> 00:31:43.526 {\an1}♪ Don't forget to keep... ♪ 543 00:31:43.610 --> 00:31:46.404 {\an1}GUY: Within 30 seconds, everything changed. 544 00:31:47.155 --> 00:31:49.991 {\an1}I was already floored. 545 00:31:50.074 --> 00:31:51.784 {\an1}I had not heard anything like it. 546 00:31:55.163 --> 00:31:57.165 {\an1}♪ Try a little harder... ♪ 547 00:31:57.248 --> 00:32:05.006 {\an1}GUY: The simplicity of the way she was able to narrate... 548 00:32:05.089 --> 00:32:09.677 {\an1}yet how complex it was at the same time. 549 00:32:13.389 --> 00:32:16.017 {\an1}♪ How long ♪ 550 00:32:17.435 --> 00:32:20.647 {\an1}♪ Before you screw it up? ♪ 551 00:32:22.315 --> 00:32:23.900 {\an1}Wow, we started with... 552 00:32:23.983 --> 00:32:25.985 {\an1}♪ Sometimes ♪ 553 00:32:26.069 --> 00:32:29.322 {\an1}And then we get into... ♪ Before you screw it up ♪ 554 00:32:29.405 --> 00:32:30.907 {\an1}And you're like, "Wait, what?" 555 00:32:31.741 --> 00:32:34.035 {\an1}She goes a little edgy there. 556 00:32:34.118 --> 00:32:37.497 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 557 00:32:37.580 --> 00:32:39.082 {\an1}And then comes back down again. 558 00:32:40.083 --> 00:32:43.252 {\an1}♪ That wasn't fast enough ♪ 559 00:32:43.336 --> 00:32:46.589 {\an1}ALANIS: The song "Perfect" is the plight of the overachiever. 560 00:32:46.673 --> 00:32:51.052 {\an1}Having to be perfect according to some odd, random standard 561 00:32:51.135 --> 00:32:53.012 {\an1}and that you're innately bad. 562 00:32:54.514 --> 00:32:55.973 {\an1}I had to comment on it. 563 00:32:58.351 --> 00:32:59.852 {\an1}GUY: I said, "I'm in." 564 00:32:59.936 --> 00:33:02.397 {\an1}I didn't have to hear any more. "I love it. I'm all-in." 565 00:33:03.147 --> 00:33:06.234 {\an1}♪ If you're perfect ♪ 566 00:33:08.778 --> 00:33:11.239 {\an1}I knew it was Madonna's boutique label, 567 00:33:11.322 --> 00:33:12.365 {\an1}so I was just, you know, 568 00:33:12.448 --> 00:33:13.700 {\an1}"How's this place gonna be decorated?" 569 00:33:13.783 --> 00:33:15.702 {\an1}And, you know, it was super hip. 570 00:33:15.785 --> 00:33:17.453 {\an1}Although I do remember her coming in at one point 571 00:33:17.537 --> 00:33:19.038 {\an1}and turning the light on. 572 00:33:19.122 --> 00:33:20.707 {\an1}And the whole thing fell, and she's like, 573 00:33:20.790 --> 00:33:23.418 {\an1}"Fucking cheap place." (LAUGHS) 574 00:33:23.501 --> 00:33:25.294 {\an1}And I had been held up at gunpoint 575 00:33:25.378 --> 00:33:27.463 {\an1}just before this meeting with her. 576 00:33:29.132 --> 00:33:31.259 {\an1}And when I walked in, you know, they were kind of whispery, 577 00:33:31.342 --> 00:33:33.094 {\an1}like, "Hey, she just got held up at gunpoint. 578 00:33:33.177 --> 00:33:34.887 {\an1}She's a little PTSD, you know?" 579 00:33:34.971 --> 00:33:36.723 {\an1}And she was like, "I want to-- (SCOFFS) 580 00:33:36.806 --> 00:33:38.433 {\an1}"I want to get held up at gunpoint. 581 00:33:38.516 --> 00:33:40.143 {\an1}That's just such a cool story. 582 00:33:40.226 --> 00:33:42.228 {\an1}I want to be held up at gunpoint." 583 00:33:45.356 --> 00:33:47.066 {\an1}GUY: And I remember sending a fax going, 584 00:33:47.150 --> 00:33:49.277 {\an1}"Please, let's get this done." 585 00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:51.946 {\an1}This is-- I was so excited about it. 586 00:33:53.823 --> 00:33:56.576 {\an1}I couldn't wait to have people hear it. 587 00:33:59.328 --> 00:34:00.830 {\an1}LISA: In the '90s, 588 00:34:00.913 --> 00:34:04.375 {\an1}the way most listeners found their new music 589 00:34:04.459 --> 00:34:07.587 {\an1}and their new favorite bands was the radio. 590 00:34:10.630 --> 00:34:12.467 {\an1}For an artist to get their music on KROQ, 591 00:34:12.550 --> 00:34:15.386 {\an1}it didn't just mean they could get heard in Los Angeles. 592 00:34:15.469 --> 00:34:18.598 {\an1}They knew it could mean, "Oh, wow. If I get on there, 593 00:34:18.681 --> 00:34:20.850 {\an1}I might be able to get on all these other radio stations 594 00:34:20.933 --> 00:34:23.518 {\an1}in the United States, possibly stations outside of the US." 595 00:34:28.024 --> 00:34:30.443 {\an1}Guy Oseary called and said, 596 00:34:30.525 --> 00:34:32.904 {\an1}"We have got to play you this new artist. 597 00:34:32.987 --> 00:34:34.739 {\an1}She's incredible. We want to play the music." 598 00:34:34.822 --> 00:34:37.283 {\an1}And we're like, "Okay. Yeah, sure, come on in." 599 00:34:41.454 --> 00:34:43.331 {\an1}We always listen to music at a ten. 600 00:34:43.414 --> 00:34:44.498 {\an1}It was on full blast. 601 00:34:44.581 --> 00:34:47.126 {\an1}And they played us "You Oughta Know". 602 00:34:47.210 --> 00:34:49.504 {\an1}♪ ("YOU OUGHTA KNOW" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 603 00:34:49.587 --> 00:34:52.005 {\an1}♪ I want you to know ♪ 604 00:34:52.089 --> 00:34:55.927 {\an1}♪ That I'm happy for you ♪ 605 00:34:56.803 --> 00:35:00.181 {\an1}♪ I wish nothing but ♪ 606 00:35:01.015 --> 00:35:03.893 {\an1}♪ The best for you both ♪ 607 00:35:05.103 --> 00:35:07.355 {\an1}♪ An older version of me ♪ 608 00:35:07.438 --> 00:35:09.315 {\an1}♪ Is she perverted like me? ♪ 609 00:35:09.398 --> 00:35:14.153 {\an1}♪ Would she go down on you In a theater? ♪ 610 00:35:14.237 --> 00:35:16.405 {\an1}♪ Does she speak eloquently? ♪ 611 00:35:16.489 --> 00:35:18.407 {\an1}♪ And would she have Your baby? ♪ 612 00:35:18.491 --> 00:35:23.621 {\an1}♪ I'm sure she'd make a really Excellent mother ♪ 613 00:35:23.704 --> 00:35:25.706 {\an1}♪ 'Cause the love that you gave that we made ♪ 614 00:35:25.790 --> 00:35:27.333 {\an1}♪ Wasn't able To make it enough ♪ 615 00:35:27.416 --> 00:35:29.836 {\an1}♪ For you to be open wide ♪ 616 00:35:30.837 --> 00:35:32.797 {\an1}♪ No ♪ 617 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.424 {\an1}♪ And every time you speak Her name ♪ 618 00:35:35.508 --> 00:35:38.886 {\an1}♪ Does she know how you told me You'd hold me until you died? ♪ 619 00:35:38.970 --> 00:35:41.806 {\an1}♪ Till you died But you're still alive ♪ 620 00:35:41.889 --> 00:35:43.391 {\an1}♪ And I'm here ♪ 621 00:35:44.350 --> 00:35:45.935 {\an1}♪ To remind you ♪ 622 00:35:46.018 --> 00:35:50.690 {\an1}♪ Of the mess you left When you went away ♪ 623 00:35:50.773 --> 00:35:53.150 {\an1}♪ It's not fair ♪ 624 00:35:53.234 --> 00:35:55.278 {\an1}♪ To deny me ♪ 625 00:35:55.361 --> 00:35:59.365 {\an1}♪ Of the cross I bear That you gave to me ♪ 626 00:35:59.448 --> 00:36:02.743 {\an1}♪ You, you, you oughta know ♪ 627 00:36:03.452 --> 00:36:04.871 {\an1}LISA: The room is, like, 628 00:36:04.954 --> 00:36:09.083 {\an1}eyes popping out of our heads, going, "Holy crap. 629 00:36:09.166 --> 00:36:11.586 {\an1}We got to hear that on the radio." 630 00:36:11.669 --> 00:36:13.921 {\an1}We walked the CD down the hall, 631 00:36:14.005 --> 00:36:16.215 {\an1}basically interrupted the whole hour, 632 00:36:16.299 --> 00:36:17.383 {\an1}handed it to the DJ and said, 633 00:36:17.466 --> 00:36:19.468 {\an1}"Brand-new artist, her name is Alanis, 634 00:36:19.552 --> 00:36:20.720 {\an1}you're gonna play this right now." 635 00:36:20.803 --> 00:36:24.932 {\an1}♪ Did you forget about me Mr. Duplicity? ♪ 636 00:36:25.016 --> 00:36:28.853 {\an1}♪ I hate to bug you In the middle of dinner ♪ 637 00:36:29.687 --> 00:36:31.898 {\an1}♪ It was a slap in the face ♪ 638 00:36:31.981 --> 00:36:34.025 {\an1}♪ How quickly I was replaced ♪ 639 00:36:34.108 --> 00:36:38.779 {\an1}♪ And are you thinking of me When you fuck her? ♪ 640 00:36:38.863 --> 00:36:42.241 {\an1}LISA: And the phone lines blazed. 641 00:36:42.325 --> 00:36:44.285 {\an1}"Who is that? Who is that? What song is that? 642 00:36:44.368 --> 00:36:46.871 {\an1}"Who was that?" I mean, just boom, boom, boom, 643 00:36:46.954 --> 00:36:48.331 {\an1}wanting to know what they had just heard. 644 00:36:48.414 --> 00:36:50.499 {\an1}♪ And every time you speak Her name ♪ 645 00:36:50.583 --> 00:36:53.961 {\an1}♪ Does she know how you told me You'd hold me until you died? ♪ 646 00:36:54.045 --> 00:36:57.006 {\an1}♪ Till you died But you're still alive ♪ 647 00:36:57.089 --> 00:36:58.174 {\an1}♪ And I'm here ♪ 648 00:36:58.257 --> 00:37:00.426 {\an1}It was immediately our number-one requested record 649 00:37:00.509 --> 00:37:02.511 {\an1}for many weeks. 650 00:37:02.595 --> 00:37:03.804 {\an1}HOWARD STERN: "You Oughta Know", 651 00:37:03.888 --> 00:37:06.807 {\an1}this is the song that really broke on KROQ radio. 652 00:37:06.891 --> 00:37:09.894 {\an1}-And suddenly, overnight... -ROBIN QUIVERS: Life changes. 653 00:37:09.977 --> 00:37:11.938 {\an1}HOWARD: ...people are singing this song with you, 654 00:37:12.021 --> 00:37:14.982 {\an1}and your audiences are around the block waiting for you. 655 00:37:15.066 --> 00:37:19.153 {\an1}♪ You, you, you oughta know ♪ 656 00:37:19.236 --> 00:37:20.488 {\an1}STEVE BALTIN: You're not gonna write 657 00:37:20.571 --> 00:37:23.074 {\an1}a better "fuck off" song than "You Oughta Know". 658 00:37:23.157 --> 00:37:24.325 {\an1}Who hasn't been dumped? 659 00:37:24.408 --> 00:37:27.662 {\an1}Who hasn't wanted to tell an ex-lover to fuck off? 660 00:37:27.745 --> 00:37:30.539 {\an1}And who hasn't wanted to do it in that way, 661 00:37:30.623 --> 00:37:33.417 {\an1}so openly and so angrily? 662 00:37:33.501 --> 00:37:35.378 {\an1}It's like when you dream of walking up 663 00:37:35.461 --> 00:37:37.296 {\an1}and throwing the drink in someone's face, 664 00:37:37.380 --> 00:37:39.173 {\an1}or just smacking them, whatever. 665 00:37:39.257 --> 00:37:40.424 {\an1}She did it in song. 666 00:37:41.884 --> 00:37:44.804 {\an1}JOHANNA STEIN: We're all used to the stereotype of the girl 667 00:37:44.887 --> 00:37:48.015 {\an1}who gets broken up with and calls her friends crying. 668 00:37:48.099 --> 00:37:50.393 {\an1}And she sits on the couch, and she eats ice cream. 669 00:37:51.268 --> 00:37:52.603 {\an1}She wasn't that. 670 00:37:53.646 --> 00:37:54.814 {\an1}KEVIN SMITH: Back in the '90s, 671 00:37:54.897 --> 00:37:56.524 {\an1}I cannot tell you how many people were like, 672 00:37:56.607 --> 00:37:58.985 {\an1}"I identify with that song, 'You Oughta Know'." 673 00:37:59.068 --> 00:38:01.445 {\an1}And I'm like, "Who did you blow in a movie theater?" 674 00:38:02.863 --> 00:38:05.866 {\an1}HANIF ABDURRAQIB: When that song came out, I was, like, 12 or 13. 675 00:38:06.450 --> 00:38:08.369 {\an1}I... (CHUCKLES) 676 00:38:08.452 --> 00:38:10.997 {\an1}I don't know what going down on someone in a theater is, 677 00:38:11.080 --> 00:38:13.499 {\an1}you know? But I also knew that it was something-- 678 00:38:13.582 --> 00:38:15.751 {\an1}Like, my not knowing made me feel like, 679 00:38:15.835 --> 00:38:17.336 {\an1}"Okay, this is dangerous or different 680 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:20.715 {\an1}or something far outside my understanding." 681 00:38:21.966 --> 00:38:23.426 {\an1}LORRAINE: Alanis comes along 682 00:38:23.509 --> 00:38:26.846 {\an1}and sings about going down on someone in a theater, 683 00:38:26.929 --> 00:38:30.057 {\an1}and it's like, "Oh, wow, that's crazy." 684 00:38:30.141 --> 00:38:32.727 {\an1}You know, "This is really sexually explicit." 685 00:38:32.810 --> 00:38:35.688 {\an1}Really? 'Cause that's not what I'm picking up from it. 686 00:38:35.771 --> 00:38:37.982 {\an1}Yeah, that's in there, but that's not... 687 00:38:38.065 --> 00:38:39.859 {\an1}you know, what's speaking to me about it. 688 00:38:39.942 --> 00:38:41.402 {\an1}And how about the individual 689 00:38:41.485 --> 00:38:42.862 {\an1}that "You Oughta Know" is all about? 690 00:38:42.945 --> 00:38:45.197 {\an1}Is there a feeling that this is almost your revenge, 691 00:38:45.281 --> 00:38:47.158 {\an1}-the success of your single? -You know what? 692 00:38:47.241 --> 00:38:48.951 {\an1}The ironic thing is I don't even think 693 00:38:49.035 --> 00:38:50.411 {\an1}he knows that the song is about him. 694 00:38:50.494 --> 00:38:52.496 {\an1}-Maybe it's better he doesn't. -You know what? I think it is. 695 00:38:52.580 --> 00:38:55.624 {\an1}'Cause the last thing I want to do is to be that vindictive. 696 00:38:55.708 --> 00:38:58.252 {\an1}I don't think that I will be hurt in the way that I was hurt 697 00:38:58.335 --> 00:39:00.588 {\an1}by the person that I wrote "You Oughta Know" about 698 00:39:00.671 --> 00:39:02.006 {\an1}ever again, no. 699 00:39:02.089 --> 00:39:03.549 {\an1}This person, I don't even really know 700 00:39:03.632 --> 00:39:04.633 {\an1}whether he knows it's about him. 701 00:39:04.717 --> 00:39:07.136 {\an1}And I didn't write it to get back at him. 702 00:39:07.219 --> 00:39:08.596 {\an1}If I had, I think that I'd be plastering 703 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.515 {\an1}his picture everywhere and telling everyone his name. 704 00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.226 {\an1}But I just really wrote it for the sake of my own release. 705 00:39:14.310 --> 00:39:17.438 {\an1}Well, clearly, somebody upset this girl. 706 00:39:17.521 --> 00:39:18.439 {\an1}Who is it? 707 00:39:18.522 --> 00:39:21.400 {\an1}And, you know, for years, no confirmation. 708 00:39:21.484 --> 00:39:23.652 {\an1}She's classy. She didn't talk about it and shit. 709 00:39:23.736 --> 00:39:25.071 {\an1}Everyone thinks it's... 710 00:39:25.821 --> 00:39:27.656 {\an1}the guy from some TV show. 711 00:39:27.740 --> 00:39:29.408 {\an1}(CHUCKLES) 712 00:39:29.492 --> 00:39:30.868 {\an1}It's funny, though, because I was dating 713 00:39:30.951 --> 00:39:32.912 {\an1}so many more people than just him. 714 00:39:32.995 --> 00:39:34.914 {\an1}But because of "You Oughta Know", 715 00:39:34.997 --> 00:39:36.791 {\an1}and people saying it was about Dave Coulier, 716 00:39:36.874 --> 00:39:39.877 {\an1}all this attention was like, "She dated one person." 717 00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.797 {\an1}Who's the person? Who gives a fuck? 718 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:44.215 {\an1}It's the experience. 719 00:39:44.298 --> 00:39:46.384 {\an1}All I know is I wouldn't want to be him, you know what I mean? 720 00:39:46.467 --> 00:39:49.178 {\an1}Like, (LAUGHS) I don't care who he is. 721 00:39:49.261 --> 00:39:51.430 {\an1}But I hope whoever he is, 722 00:39:51.514 --> 00:39:53.390 {\an1}he went to therapy. 723 00:39:53.474 --> 00:39:54.767 {\an1}ALANIS: There's been about eight people 724 00:39:54.850 --> 00:39:56.435 {\an1}who've claimed the song has been about them. 725 00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:58.479 {\an1}So I'm always just like, "Who said?" 726 00:39:58.562 --> 00:40:01.273 {\an1}You know, "Who said?" (LAUGHS) 727 00:40:01.357 --> 00:40:03.943 {\an1}Interesting that you think that song is about you. Huh? 728 00:40:04.026 --> 00:40:07.738 {\an1}♪ Nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it ♪ 729 00:40:07.822 --> 00:40:09.782 {\an1}♪ Well, can you feel it? ♪ 730 00:40:10.533 --> 00:40:11.700 {\an1}♪ Well, I'm here... ♪ 731 00:40:11.784 --> 00:40:13.452 {\an1}SHIRLEY MANSON: She'd come in at the right time 732 00:40:13.536 --> 00:40:14.620 {\an1}with the right attitude. 733 00:40:14.703 --> 00:40:17.373 {\an1}And it was very different to what women were doing 734 00:40:17.456 --> 00:40:19.875 {\an1}at that time. She really stood out. 735 00:40:19.959 --> 00:40:22.086 {\an1}♪ It's not fair... ♪ 736 00:40:22.169 --> 00:40:24.004 {\an1}GUY: It was one of those kind of songs 737 00:40:24.088 --> 00:40:25.131 {\an1}where you just pull over the car 738 00:40:25.214 --> 00:40:26.340 {\an1}and you remember, like, "Wait, what is that?" 739 00:40:26.423 --> 00:40:29.593 {\an1}It doesn't sound like anything else out there. 740 00:40:29.677 --> 00:40:32.471 {\an1}During that time, it was regarded as a no-no 741 00:40:32.555 --> 00:40:34.682 {\an1}to play female artists back to back. 742 00:40:34.765 --> 00:40:38.352 {\an1}I was not allowed to play No Doubt into Alanis. 743 00:40:38.435 --> 00:40:41.313 {\an1}It was just the way things were. 744 00:40:41.397 --> 00:40:44.400 {\an1}STEVE: Was there room for Alanis in rock? No. 745 00:40:44.483 --> 00:40:47.111 {\an1}But it was simply, "You try and ignore the song." 746 00:40:47.194 --> 00:40:48.988 {\an1}"You see what's gonna happen." 747 00:40:49.071 --> 00:40:52.575 {\an1}♪ You, you, you oughta know ♪ 748 00:40:56.912 --> 00:40:58.497 {\an1}(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 749 00:40:58.581 --> 00:41:00.291 {\an1}(CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 750 00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:05.504 {\an1}GUY: It happened very quickly. 751 00:41:05.588 --> 00:41:08.174 {\an1}As soon as that song hit the radio, 752 00:41:08.716 --> 00:41:10.009 {\an1}it just picked up. 753 00:41:11.343 --> 00:41:12.887 {\an1}JOCELYN RHEAUME: Who was this person? 754 00:41:12.970 --> 00:41:14.013 {\an1}And there was all the mystery, 755 00:41:14.096 --> 00:41:16.140 {\an1}because her first video, her hair was in her face 756 00:41:16.223 --> 00:41:19.268 {\an1}and she was in the desert and screaming, "You oughta know!" 757 00:41:21.353 --> 00:41:24.481 {\an1}STEVE: I was sent an advance of Jagged Little Pill. 758 00:41:24.565 --> 00:41:25.900 {\an1}There were no photos that came with it, 759 00:41:25.983 --> 00:41:28.444 {\an1}or all the photos, her hair was blurring her face. 760 00:41:29.945 --> 00:41:32.072 {\an1}ALANIS: My hair would cover me. 761 00:41:32.156 --> 00:41:34.408 {\an1}It's very convenient having all that hair. 762 00:41:35.576 --> 00:41:36.869 {\an1}MICHELE LAURITA: In the beginning, 763 00:41:36.952 --> 00:41:38.704 {\an1}there was definitely a style. 764 00:41:38.787 --> 00:41:40.623 {\an1}She kind of showed up like, 765 00:41:40.706 --> 00:41:42.791 {\an1}"This just came out of my hamper." 766 00:41:42.875 --> 00:41:45.628 {\an1}We did a full cover of Rolling Stone photoshoot 767 00:41:45.711 --> 00:41:47.963 {\an1}that had to be scrapped because I couldn't speak up 768 00:41:48.047 --> 00:41:51.425 {\an1}about the fact that the clothes that I was put in by the stylist 769 00:41:51.509 --> 00:41:53.719 {\an1}were not me! (LAUGHS) 770 00:41:53.802 --> 00:41:55.721 {\an1}You know, and then we reshot the whole thing 771 00:41:55.804 --> 00:41:57.723 {\an1}with me wearing what I was comfortable in, 772 00:41:57.806 --> 00:41:58.933 {\an1}and then it was great. 773 00:42:00.518 --> 00:42:02.186 {\an1}MICHELE: It definitely came up. 774 00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:04.647 {\an1}"Do we want to make Alanis more beautiful?" 775 00:42:04.730 --> 00:42:06.732 {\an1}"Do we want to make Alanis more grungey?" 776 00:42:06.815 --> 00:42:09.401 {\an1}"What's acceptable right now?" 777 00:42:09.485 --> 00:42:11.779 {\an1}♪ (ROCK MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 778 00:42:13.572 --> 00:42:15.908 {\an1}SHIRLEY: For the first time in the history of music, 779 00:42:15.991 --> 00:42:18.786 {\an1}there was a moment where alternative artists 780 00:42:18.869 --> 00:42:23.165 {\an1}ruled the airwaves, ruled media, ruled TV. 781 00:42:26.043 --> 00:42:29.296 {\an1}It was the thing that everybody was buzzing on. 782 00:42:30.714 --> 00:42:34.927 {\an1}Alt music was your ticket to the fair. 783 00:42:36.387 --> 00:42:38.180 {\an1}SCOTT WELCH: Whoa, one moment. 784 00:42:39.890 --> 00:42:41.642 {\an1}GLEN: Scott Welch, the manager, 785 00:42:41.725 --> 00:42:45.688 {\an1}was really intent on it being a rock band. 786 00:42:45.771 --> 00:42:48.941 {\an1}ALANIS: When it came time to go on tour, we auditioned. 787 00:42:49.024 --> 00:42:51.777 {\an1}We auditioned tons of people. 788 00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:54.780 {\an1}Alanis put the band together from tryouts. 789 00:42:54.863 --> 00:42:57.116 {\an1}And we'd play. And I could play really loud, 790 00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:58.576 {\an1}and she didn't give a shit, so... 791 00:42:59.910 --> 00:43:01.870 {\an1}TAYLOR HAWKINS: I couldn't remember her fucking name. 792 00:43:01.954 --> 00:43:03.706 {\an1}"Atlantis." I just-- 793 00:43:03.789 --> 00:43:06.500 {\an1}"Alanis. I've never even heard that word. That's not--" 794 00:43:06.583 --> 00:43:08.669 {\an1}"I don't know anyone else named Alanis," 795 00:43:08.752 --> 00:43:11.005 {\an1}so I couldn't remember the name. 796 00:43:11.088 --> 00:43:13.590 {\an1}In the mail, I get a cassette of the three songs 797 00:43:13.674 --> 00:43:14.925 {\an1}you need to know. 798 00:43:15.009 --> 00:43:17.094 {\an1}The first song is "You Oughta Know". 799 00:43:17.177 --> 00:43:18.679 {\an1}And that's all you needed to hear. 800 00:43:18.762 --> 00:43:20.180 {\an1}That's gonna be fucking huge. 801 00:43:20.264 --> 00:43:23.058 {\an1}-So, Nick, where are you from? -I'm very English. 802 00:43:23.142 --> 00:43:24.268 {\an1}(LAUGHS) 803 00:43:24.351 --> 00:43:26.312 {\an1}TAYLOR: Nick Lashley was the guitar player, 804 00:43:26.395 --> 00:43:27.563 {\an1}an English cat. 805 00:43:29.898 --> 00:43:32.735 {\an1}And he can do all the cool noise effects, 806 00:43:32.818 --> 00:43:36.405 {\an1}and he's really a great lead guitar player. 807 00:43:36.488 --> 00:43:39.325 {\an1}So, Jesse, where are you from, dude? (LAUGHS) 808 00:43:39.408 --> 00:43:41.535 {\an1}-From Austin, Texas. -Yeah? 809 00:43:41.618 --> 00:43:43.329 {\an1}TAYLOR: The guitar player, Jesse, 810 00:43:43.412 --> 00:43:46.248 {\an1}played with the Chili Peppers very briefly. 811 00:43:46.332 --> 00:43:48.792 {\an1}GLEN: Jesse Tobias and Nick Lashley 812 00:43:48.876 --> 00:43:50.169 {\an1}had a wonderful kind of interplay 813 00:43:50.252 --> 00:43:51.962 {\an1}where they were able to cover all the parts 814 00:43:52.046 --> 00:43:53.172 {\an1}that we had on the record 815 00:43:53.255 --> 00:43:56.050 {\an1}and add a huge amount of power to it. 816 00:43:56.133 --> 00:43:58.135 {\an1}Chris, do you like to practice? 817 00:43:58.218 --> 00:43:59.845 {\an1}-Ah! -(LAUGHTER) 818 00:43:59.928 --> 00:44:02.014 {\an1}I hate practicing. 819 00:44:02.097 --> 00:44:05.100 {\an1}TAYLOR: The bass player, Chris Chaney, was an accident. 820 00:44:05.184 --> 00:44:07.227 {\an1}She called the wrong person back. 821 00:44:07.311 --> 00:44:08.854 {\an1}And we tried him out, and she's like... 822 00:44:08.937 --> 00:44:10.814 {\an1}"I didn't mean to call this guy." 823 00:44:10.898 --> 00:44:12.775 {\an1}"I didn't mean to call this guy." 824 00:44:13.734 --> 00:44:14.818 {\an1}I swear. 825 00:44:14.902 --> 00:44:16.445 {\an1}-You ready? -CHRIS CHANEY: I just was me. 826 00:44:16.528 --> 00:44:18.614 {\an1}I just showed up in what I was wearing. 827 00:44:18.697 --> 00:44:21.575 {\an1}No fashion sense. No true "style," right? 828 00:44:22.618 --> 00:44:24.661 {\an1}I felt a little intimidated. 829 00:44:24.745 --> 00:44:26.872 {\an1}'Cause he was a jazz guy, so he's like, 830 00:44:26.955 --> 00:44:28.165 {\an1}"I don't know." 831 00:44:28.248 --> 00:44:31.043 {\an1}He didn't even understand if it was good music, really. 832 00:44:31.126 --> 00:44:32.294 {\an1}And I was like, "Well, you know, 833 00:44:32.378 --> 00:44:33.754 {\an1}you've missed the last five years, 834 00:44:33.837 --> 00:44:37.257 {\an1}so here's fucking Soundgarden, and here's Jane's Addiction." 835 00:44:37.341 --> 00:44:40.344 {\an1}Learn it, live it, love it. 836 00:44:40.427 --> 00:44:41.470 {\an1}And he gets it now. 837 00:44:41.553 --> 00:44:43.347 {\an1}He's in Jane's Addiction now, which is... 838 00:44:44.181 --> 00:44:46.058 {\an1}"ironic." (CHUCKLES) 839 00:44:46.934 --> 00:44:49.937 {\an1}ALISON: 840 00:44:53.190 --> 00:44:55.526 {\an1}In the '90s? I mean, yes. 841 00:44:56.402 --> 00:44:58.237 {\an1}But, no. 842 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.740 {\an1}You know, I'd had my challenges with women... 843 00:45:01.824 --> 00:45:05.744 {\an1}you know, women who wanted to be in my seat or... 844 00:45:05.828 --> 00:45:07.996 {\an1}You know, there was always such a scarcity mindset, 845 00:45:08.080 --> 00:45:09.665 {\an1}like there was only room for one. 846 00:45:09.748 --> 00:45:13.877 {\an1}You know, for me, hanging out with the guys was just easier. 847 00:45:13.961 --> 00:45:17.089 {\an1}Once we all knew none of us were gonna be romantic, 848 00:45:17.172 --> 00:45:19.466 {\an1}it was like, "Oh, cool, let's just make some shows." 849 00:45:24.638 --> 00:45:26.640 {\an1}TAYLOR: And the first show that we did, 850 00:45:26.723 --> 00:45:30.102 {\an1}we did a showcase for sort of friends and family. 851 00:45:30.185 --> 00:45:32.104 {\an1}Literally, it was our girlfriends 852 00:45:32.187 --> 00:45:34.106 {\an1}and people from the record company... 853 00:45:34.731 --> 00:45:35.941 {\an1}Madonna's over there. 854 00:45:36.024 --> 00:45:37.401 {\an1}-Where? -Right there. 855 00:45:39.194 --> 00:45:40.821 {\an1}TAYLOR: ...and Madonna. 856 00:45:40.904 --> 00:45:42.865 {\an1}It was like, "Fuck, Madonna's right there." 857 00:45:42.948 --> 00:45:44.491 {\an1}EXECUTIVE: For the last few months, 858 00:45:44.575 --> 00:45:46.034 {\an1}since we signed Alanis, 859 00:45:46.118 --> 00:45:48.912 {\an1}everybody's been saying to me, "What's she look like?" 860 00:45:48.996 --> 00:45:50.289 {\an1}You know, "What does she do?" 861 00:45:50.372 --> 00:45:52.124 {\an1}Anyway, I just want to introduce someone 862 00:45:52.207 --> 00:45:54.501 {\an1}who we're real crazy about, Alanis Morissette. 863 00:45:55.752 --> 00:45:58.964 {\an1}(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) 864 00:45:59.047 --> 00:46:02.134 {\an1}LISA: Maverick did a showcase with her. 865 00:46:02.217 --> 00:46:04.928 {\an1}It was the first time we saw her live. 866 00:46:05.012 --> 00:46:07.306 {\an1}She was amazing. She was absolutely amazing. 867 00:46:08.098 --> 00:46:11.685 {\an1}♪ And I'm here to remind you ♪ 868 00:46:11.768 --> 00:46:16.148 {\an1}♪ Of the mess you left when you went away ♪ 869 00:46:16.231 --> 00:46:18.233 {\an1}♪ It's not fair ♪ 870 00:46:18.317 --> 00:46:20.611 {\an1}♪ To deny me ♪ 871 00:46:20.694 --> 00:46:24.364 {\an1}♪ Of the cross I bear that you gave to me ♪ 872 00:46:24.448 --> 00:46:27.826 {\an1}♪ You, you, you oughta know ♪ 873 00:46:28.577 --> 00:46:33.582 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 874 00:46:38.295 --> 00:46:41.465 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 875 00:46:41.548 --> 00:46:44.218 {\an1}♪ ("WAKE UP" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 876 00:46:53.227 --> 00:46:55.062 {\an1}♪ You like snow ♪ 877 00:46:55.145 --> 00:46:58.148 {\an1}♪ But only if it's warm ♪ 878 00:46:58.232 --> 00:47:00.943 {\an1}GLEN: The next night, she played at a place called Dragonfly. 879 00:47:03.946 --> 00:47:05.280 {\an1}We got to this little club, 880 00:47:05.364 --> 00:47:08.200 {\an1}and there were people lined up around the block. 881 00:47:09.701 --> 00:47:13.372 {\an1}It was like in one day, you couldn't get in the room. 882 00:47:13.455 --> 00:47:16.959 {\an1}♪ There's no sentimental value to the rose ♪ 883 00:47:17.042 --> 00:47:19.169 {\an1}TAYLOR: The single had been out for a week by then, 884 00:47:19.253 --> 00:47:22.089 {\an1}and there was literally 5,000 people trying to get in. 885 00:47:22.172 --> 00:47:26.635 {\an1}♪ 'Cause it's easy not to ♪ 886 00:47:26.718 --> 00:47:29.179 {\an1}♪ So much easier ♪ 887 00:47:29.263 --> 00:47:32.182 {\an1}STEVE: This was the show that everyone had to be at. 888 00:47:33.308 --> 00:47:35.602 {\an1}This was before she was massive, 889 00:47:35.686 --> 00:47:37.771 {\an1}but everyone knew she was gonna be massive. 890 00:47:38.564 --> 00:47:43.569 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 891 00:47:58.667 --> 00:48:00.460 {\an1}So, yeah, I was just 21. 892 00:48:00.544 --> 00:48:02.170 {\an1}-Yeah. -ALANIS: Cheers, Glen. 893 00:48:02.254 --> 00:48:04.131 {\an1}-Cheers, queers, stairs, and-- -ALANIS: Cheers, queers. 894 00:48:04.214 --> 00:48:05.465 {\an1}-Cheers, Nicky. -NICKY: Cheers. 895 00:48:05.549 --> 00:48:07.634 {\an1}ALANIS: Whoo-hoo! Party on, Garth. 896 00:48:07.718 --> 00:48:08.802 {\an1}(LAUGHTER) 897 00:48:08.885 --> 00:48:10.637 {\an1}He went like this... 898 00:48:10.721 --> 00:48:13.640 {\an1}That's a big dick. This guy's got the fuckin' rock... 899 00:48:13.724 --> 00:48:16.059 {\an1}(INDISTINCT CHATTER AND LAUGHTER) 900 00:48:18.562 --> 00:48:19.688 {\an1}It's me. 901 00:48:19.771 --> 00:48:22.107 {\an1}-Say hello. -Hello. 902 00:48:22.190 --> 00:48:24.067 {\an1}ALANIS: I remember Scott Welch pulled me aside 903 00:48:24.151 --> 00:48:27.738 {\an1}just after the auditions when we hired our bandmates. 904 00:48:29.156 --> 00:48:31.658 {\an1}He just kind of yanked me in, and he goes, 905 00:48:31.742 --> 00:48:34.161 {\an1}"You got to start being a boss, Alanis." 906 00:48:34.244 --> 00:48:37.497 {\an1}And I said, "I'm 20. I don't know how to be a boss." 907 00:48:37.581 --> 00:48:40.292 {\an1}He's like, "Well, you better figure it out fast." 908 00:48:42.461 --> 00:48:44.171 {\an1}This is Alanis' room. 909 00:48:45.172 --> 00:48:46.965 {\an1}And it's a fucking mess. 910 00:48:48.258 --> 00:48:50.302 {\an1}She's got no clue. Where are we going tomorrow? 911 00:48:50.385 --> 00:48:52.095 {\an1}-Where are we going tomorrow? -We're here tomorrow. 912 00:48:52.179 --> 00:48:53.305 {\an1}-We're staying here tomorrow. -Yes. 913 00:48:53.388 --> 00:48:55.432 {\an1}Okay, but we have no clue where we're going. 914 00:48:55.515 --> 00:48:56.850 {\an1}TAYLOR: We did a van tour. 915 00:48:56.933 --> 00:48:59.686 {\an1}The first two to three months was in a van. 916 00:49:00.771 --> 00:49:02.022 {\an1}No messing around for John John. 917 00:49:02.105 --> 00:49:03.315 {\an1}This is a private moment. 918 00:49:04.274 --> 00:49:07.486 {\an1}White tablecloths and silver linens, 919 00:49:07.569 --> 00:49:08.779 {\an1}that's all he uses. 920 00:49:14.743 --> 00:49:16.995 {\an1}What the hell is going on here? 921 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:19.331 {\an1}TAYLOR: And we fucking literally went from the West Coast 922 00:49:19.414 --> 00:49:20.457 {\an1}all the way to New York. 923 00:49:20.540 --> 00:49:22.292 {\an1}At least get monitors together to start with. 924 00:49:22.376 --> 00:49:23.752 {\an1}-You want me up? -Yeah. 925 00:49:23.835 --> 00:49:24.878 {\an1}Okay. 926 00:49:25.837 --> 00:49:28.465 {\an1}At least get some stage line together 927 00:49:28.548 --> 00:49:30.759 {\an1}-and monitor level together. -Okay. 928 00:49:31.635 --> 00:49:33.053 {\an1}It's my perspective. 929 00:49:34.471 --> 00:49:36.515 {\an1}And it just fucking went nuclear, man. 930 00:49:36.598 --> 00:49:39.059 {\an1}It was, like, it went fucking nuclear. 931 00:49:39.142 --> 00:49:42.229 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 932 00:49:42.312 --> 00:49:43.480 {\an1}Thank you. 933 00:49:43.563 --> 00:49:47.526 {\an1}♪ ("HAND IN MY POCKET" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 934 00:49:47.609 --> 00:49:50.445 {\an1}This song's called "Hand in My Pocket". 935 00:50:16.179 --> 00:50:18.598 {\an1}♪ I'm broke but I'm happy ♪ 936 00:50:18.682 --> 00:50:21.268 {\an1}♪ I'm poor but I'm kind ♪ 937 00:50:21.351 --> 00:50:24.563 {\an1}♪ I'm short but I'm healthy ♪ 938 00:50:24.646 --> 00:50:26.231 {\an1}♪ Yeah ♪ 939 00:50:27.357 --> 00:50:30.235 {\an1}♪ I'm high but I'm grounded ♪ 940 00:50:30.318 --> 00:50:32.988 {\an1}♪ I'm sane but I'm overwhelmed ♪ 941 00:50:33.071 --> 00:50:37.617 {\an1}♪ I'm lost but I'm hopeful, baby ♪ 942 00:50:37.701 --> 00:50:40.912 {\an1}♪ And what it all comes down to ♪ 943 00:50:43.123 --> 00:50:47.711 {\an1}♪ Is that everything's gonna be fine, fine, fine ♪ 944 00:50:50.005 --> 00:50:53.300 {\an1}♪ 'Cause I've got one hand in my pocket ♪ 945 00:50:53.383 --> 00:50:57.596 {\an1}♪ And the other one is giving a high-five ♪ 946 00:51:00.557 --> 00:51:04.603 {\an1}♪ Well, I feel drunk but I'm sober ♪ 947 00:51:04.686 --> 00:51:06.104 {\an1}I have the towel. 948 00:51:06.188 --> 00:51:08.315 {\an1}I have the towel she sweated on! 949 00:51:08.398 --> 00:51:09.941 {\an1}REPORTER: What did you think of Alanis' show? 950 00:51:10.025 --> 00:51:12.944 {\an1}-I thought it was pretty wicked, -She's the best. 951 00:51:13.028 --> 00:51:14.821 {\an1}I thought it was great. I thought Alanis was great. 952 00:51:14.905 --> 00:51:15.947 {\an1}It was awesome. 953 00:51:16.031 --> 00:51:18.158 {\an1}Her show was, like, wicked. It was really good. 954 00:51:19.618 --> 00:51:25.081 {\an1}♪ I'm wrong, and I'm sorry, baby ♪ 955 00:51:25.165 --> 00:51:27.292 {\an1}HANIF: "Hand in My Pocket" was the jam. 956 00:51:27.375 --> 00:51:29.628 {\an1}It's mulling over all these contradictions, 957 00:51:29.711 --> 00:51:32.005 {\an1}and it's not exactly seeking an answer, 958 00:51:32.088 --> 00:51:34.758 {\an1}as much it is seeking an affirmation 959 00:51:34.841 --> 00:51:36.510 {\an1}that the contradictions are okay to live with. 960 00:51:36.593 --> 00:51:40.013 {\an1}♪ 'Cause I've got one hand in my pocket ♪ 961 00:51:40.096 --> 00:51:43.475 {\an1}♪ And the other one is flicking a cigarette ♪ 962 00:51:46.353 --> 00:51:48.855 {\an1}SHIRLEY: Women historically have always just been allowed 963 00:51:48.939 --> 00:51:53.568 {\an1}to have one approach, one face, one message. 964 00:51:54.861 --> 00:51:57.239 {\an1}And here was this artist saying, 965 00:51:57.322 --> 00:51:59.241 {\an1}"Well, I'm this, but I'm also that." 966 00:51:59.324 --> 00:52:02.994 {\an1}♪ 'Cause I've got one hand in my pocket ♪ 967 00:52:03.078 --> 00:52:06.414 {\an1}♪ And the other one is giving a peace sign ♪ 968 00:52:12.128 --> 00:52:13.755 {\an1}♪ I'm free, but I'm focused... ♪ 969 00:52:13.839 --> 00:52:16.258 {\an1}STEVE MARGO: Alanis Morissette was one of those people 970 00:52:16.341 --> 00:52:19.094 {\an1}that came along that I thought, "This girl 971 00:52:19.177 --> 00:52:20.971 {\an1}could do incredibly well internationally." 972 00:52:23.181 --> 00:52:24.850 {\an1}They did launch her, obviously, in America 973 00:52:24.933 --> 00:52:28.395 {\an1}with "You Oughta Know". But the real hit, 974 00:52:28.478 --> 00:52:30.730 {\an1}the record that kind of blew it all up, 975 00:52:30.814 --> 00:52:32.232 {\an1}was "Hand in My Pocket". 976 00:52:32.315 --> 00:52:33.900 {\an1}♪ Baby ♪ 977 00:52:33.984 --> 00:52:37.195 {\an1}♪ And what it all comes down to ♪ 978 00:52:39.406 --> 00:52:43.451 {\an1}♪ Is that everything's gonna be fine, fine, fine ♪ 979 00:52:46.037 --> 00:52:49.040 {\an1}♪ 'Cause I've got one hand in my pocket ♪ 980 00:52:49.124 --> 00:52:56.423 {\an1}♪ And the other one is playing the piano ♪ 981 00:52:56.506 --> 00:53:00.427 {\an1}♪ And what it all comes down to my dear friend ♪ 982 00:53:00.510 --> 00:53:01.595 {\an1}♪ Yeah, yeah ♪ 983 00:53:01.678 --> 00:53:03.555 {\an1}♪ Is that everything is just ♪ 984 00:53:03.638 --> 00:53:07.726 {\an1}♪ Fine, fine, fine ♪ 985 00:53:07.809 --> 00:53:10.937 {\an1}♪ 'Cause I've got one hand in my pocket ♪ 986 00:53:11.021 --> 00:53:15.108 {\an1}♪ And the other one is hailing a taxi cab ♪ 987 00:53:15.191 --> 00:53:17.360 {\an1}CHRIS: We played The Prince's Trust. 988 00:53:17.444 --> 00:53:20.488 {\an1}That show was the biggest show we did on the entire tour. 989 00:53:21.823 --> 00:53:24.576 {\an1}Bob Dylan was on that, Eric Clapton. 990 00:53:24.659 --> 00:53:26.119 {\an1}And then Alanis Morissette. 991 00:53:27.662 --> 00:53:30.123 {\an1}ALANIS: All I know is I couldn't hear anything. 992 00:53:30.206 --> 00:53:32.417 {\an1}I literally could not hear me sing 993 00:53:32.500 --> 00:53:34.878 {\an1}because everyone was singing so loudly. 994 00:53:42.802 --> 00:53:47.849 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 995 00:53:50.143 --> 00:53:52.395 {\an1}Thank you very much. 996 00:53:52.479 --> 00:53:56.900 {\an1}LISA: You can go from being unknown to known by everybody. 997 00:53:56.983 --> 00:53:58.902 {\an1}It was that one word. It was "Alanis". 998 00:53:58.985 --> 00:54:01.947 {\an1}And you knew exactly who you're talking about. 999 00:54:02.030 --> 00:54:04.532 {\an1}Radio made superstars back then. 1000 00:54:04.616 --> 00:54:06.952 {\an1}And then you got the MTV component 1001 00:54:07.035 --> 00:54:08.912 {\an1}and it's mega-stardom. 1002 00:54:08.995 --> 00:54:10.413 {\an1}ALANIS: When "You Oughta Know" came out, 1003 00:54:10.497 --> 00:54:12.958 {\an1}because it was blurry, I wasn't being recognized on the street. 1004 00:54:13.041 --> 00:54:14.751 {\an1}So I could still walk everywhere. 1005 00:54:14.834 --> 00:54:18.046 {\an1}Once "Hand in My Pocket" came out, that was super clear. 1006 00:54:18.129 --> 00:54:20.340 {\an1}And I remember walking down a street in New York, 1007 00:54:20.423 --> 00:54:22.425 {\an1}and all of a sudden, people were... 1008 00:54:23.051 --> 00:54:24.219 {\an1}running up to me. 1009 00:54:26.763 --> 00:54:31.851 {\an1}KEVIN: Music videos in the '90s were at their absolute apex. 1010 00:54:31.935 --> 00:54:33.353 {\an1}ANNOUNCER: MTV. 1011 00:54:33.436 --> 00:54:36.815 {\an1}KEVIN: MTV was the path by which 1012 00:54:36.898 --> 00:54:39.651 {\an1}any mainstream artist had to travel. 1013 00:54:39.734 --> 00:54:41.987 {\an1}LORRAINE: There was so much happening. 1014 00:54:42.070 --> 00:54:44.489 {\an1}It was really an exciting time in music. 1015 00:54:44.572 --> 00:54:49.160 {\an1}That just speaks to how much Alanis was up against 1016 00:54:49.244 --> 00:54:51.162 {\an1}when Jagged Little Pill dropped. 1017 00:54:51.246 --> 00:54:53.915 {\an1}You know, for it to dominate the way it did, 1018 00:54:53.999 --> 00:54:57.210 {\an1}when you look at what else was out there, that is really... 1019 00:54:58.253 --> 00:54:59.212 {\an1}phenomenal. 1020 00:54:59.295 --> 00:55:00.588 {\an1}♪ ("YOU LEARN" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 1021 00:55:00.672 --> 00:55:04.134 {\an1}♪ I recommend getting your heart trampled on ♪ 1022 00:55:04.217 --> 00:55:05.677 {\an1}♪ To anyone ♪ 1023 00:55:06.803 --> 00:55:08.138 {\an1}♪ Yeah ♪ 1024 00:55:08.221 --> 00:55:10.557 {\an1}♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 1025 00:55:10.640 --> 00:55:14.394 {\an1}♪ I recommend walking around ♪ 1026 00:55:14.477 --> 00:55:18.606 {\an1}♪ Naked in your living room ♪ 1027 00:55:19.482 --> 00:55:21.943 {\an1}♪ Yeah ♪ 1028 00:55:22.027 --> 00:55:25.363 {\an1}♪ Swallow it down ♪ 1029 00:55:25.447 --> 00:55:26.698 {\an1}♪ What a jagged little pill... ♪ 1030 00:55:26.781 --> 00:55:29.075 {\an1}ALANIS: We've been to many different countries. 1031 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.244 {\an1}-Where are we? -Sydney, Australia. 1032 00:55:31.327 --> 00:55:33.538 {\an1}We've been to Australia, all over North America, 1033 00:55:33.621 --> 00:55:37.375 {\an1}all over Europe, Southeast Asia, Japan... 1034 00:55:37.459 --> 00:55:39.419 {\an1}Mount Fuji. 1035 00:55:39.502 --> 00:55:42.213 {\an1}I love being on a tour bus at 3:00 in the morning, 1036 00:55:42.297 --> 00:55:44.299 {\an1}going through the mountains in Europe. 1037 00:55:45.383 --> 00:55:46.926 {\an1}You know, there's so many moments 1038 00:55:47.010 --> 00:55:50.138 {\an1}where we'd look at each other, bandmates, and just be like... 1039 00:55:50.221 --> 00:55:52.140 {\an1}"Oh, my God!" 1040 00:55:52.974 --> 00:55:54.350 {\an1}♪ You scream ♪ 1041 00:55:54.434 --> 00:56:00.065 {\an1}♪ You learn ♪ 1042 00:56:00.148 --> 00:56:04.402 {\an1}♪ I recommend biting off more than you can chew ♪ 1043 00:56:04.486 --> 00:56:05.737 {\an1}Stop it, man. 1044 00:56:10.366 --> 00:56:12.077 {\an1}DAVID LETTERMAN: Our next guest is one of the year's 1045 00:56:12.160 --> 00:56:14.079 {\an1}most provocative and talked-about singers. 1046 00:56:14.162 --> 00:56:16.498 {\an1}Her CD is called Jagged Little Pill. 1047 00:56:16.581 --> 00:56:18.416 {\an1}Please welcome Alanis Morissette. 1048 00:56:18.500 --> 00:56:20.085 {\an1}The best new artist, Alanis Morissette. 1049 00:56:20.168 --> 00:56:22.587 {\an1}-Alanis Morissette. -Alanis Morissette. 1050 00:56:22.670 --> 00:56:23.880 {\an1}(SPEAKING JAPANESE) 1051 00:56:23.963 --> 00:56:30.720 {\an1}-(SPEAKING FRENCH) -(SPEAKING FRENCH) 1052 00:56:30.804 --> 00:56:34.140 {\an1}Hi, I'm David Bowie, but this is Alanis Morissette. 1053 00:56:34.224 --> 00:56:37.060 {\an1}And the album of the year is Jagged Little Pill. 1054 00:56:37.143 --> 00:56:40.355 {\an1}And the winner is Jagged Little Pill, Alanis Morissette. 1055 00:56:40.438 --> 00:56:41.314 {\an1}Alanis Morissette. 1056 00:56:41.397 --> 00:56:43.566 {\an1}-Alanis Morissette. -Thank you. 1057 00:56:43.650 --> 00:56:44.818 {\an1}SHIRLEY: It was so huge. 1058 00:56:44.901 --> 00:56:48.321 {\an1}The biggest debut album of any female artist ever. 1059 00:56:48.404 --> 00:56:51.324 {\an1}LORRAINE: Jagged Little Pill was the second-best selling album 1060 00:56:51.407 --> 00:56:53.618 {\an1}in the '90s and sold 1061 00:56:53.701 --> 00:56:56.788 {\an1}33 million worldwide up until now. 1062 00:56:56.871 --> 00:57:00.083 {\an1}♪ You learn ♪ 1063 00:57:07.799 --> 00:57:10.343 {\an1}LORRAINE: The industry discovers, "Wait a minute." 1064 00:57:10.426 --> 00:57:11.970 {\an1}"This is actually lucrative." 1065 00:57:13.221 --> 00:57:14.764 {\an1}"Look, there's a whole demographic 1066 00:57:14.848 --> 00:57:16.391 {\an1}that we haven't tapped." 1067 00:57:16.474 --> 00:57:18.810 {\an1}"You know, women who actually, like, 1068 00:57:18.893 --> 00:57:21.980 {\an1}want to hear from themselves." (CHUCKLES) 1069 00:57:22.939 --> 00:57:25.066 {\an1}"So let's do that. Let's push that." 1070 00:57:26.359 --> 00:57:29.028 {\an1}LISA: Lilith Fair became a thing, 1071 00:57:29.112 --> 00:57:34.284 {\an1}and I think Alanis played a huge part in opening that door. 1072 00:57:35.535 --> 00:57:37.537 {\an1}SHIRLEY: There was a lot of women at that time, 1073 00:57:37.620 --> 00:57:39.831 {\an1}whether it was Fiona Apple, whether it was Missy Elliot, 1074 00:57:39.914 --> 00:57:41.457 {\an1}whether it was Courtney Love. 1075 00:57:41.541 --> 00:57:43.459 {\an1}There were so many of us, 1076 00:57:44.460 --> 00:57:46.880 {\an1}but Alanis proved to the world 1077 00:57:46.963 --> 00:57:50.884 {\an1}and to the music business that all of us were viable. 1078 00:57:50.967 --> 00:57:56.014 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1079 00:58:04.063 --> 00:58:05.607 {\an1}ALANIS: So much energy. 1080 00:58:07.317 --> 00:58:09.777 {\an1}It's like, the whole room is like... (IMITATES CROWD ROAR) 1081 00:58:09.861 --> 00:58:11.905 {\an1}And I'm like... (IMITATES CROWD ROAR) 1082 00:58:15.783 --> 00:58:20.246 {\an1}It's like the perfect, perfect poetic tantrum. 1083 00:58:32.217 --> 00:58:33.593 {\an1}TAYLOR: We would do all the songs 1084 00:58:33.676 --> 00:58:35.094 {\an1}from the record, no question. 1085 00:58:36.554 --> 00:58:39.766 {\an1}We had all these segues to just fill space. 1086 00:58:42.101 --> 00:58:45.188 {\an1}We would do "We Will Rock You" by Queen. 1087 00:58:45.271 --> 00:58:47.649 {\an1}♪ Buddy, you're a boy Make a big noise ♪ 1088 00:58:47.732 --> 00:58:51.277 {\an1}♪ Playing in the street Gonna be a big man someday ♪ 1089 00:58:51.361 --> 00:58:55.240 {\an1}♪ You got mud on your face You big disgrace ♪ 1090 00:58:55.323 --> 00:58:58.493 {\an1}♪ Kicking your can All over the place ♪ 1091 00:58:58.576 --> 00:58:59.494 {\an1}Sing it! 1092 00:58:59.577 --> 00:59:03.373 {\an1}♪ We will, we will rock you ♪ 1093 00:59:03.456 --> 00:59:05.667 {\an1}One more time! Come on, sing it! 1094 00:59:05.750 --> 00:59:10.046 {\an1}♪ We will, we will rock you ♪ 1095 00:59:10.129 --> 00:59:11.798 {\an1}TAYLOR: We would do an ABBA song. 1096 00:59:11.881 --> 00:59:13.967 {\an1}♪ If you change your mind ♪ 1097 00:59:14.050 --> 00:59:16.469 {\an1}♪ I'm the first in line ♪ 1098 00:59:16.552 --> 00:59:18.805 {\an1}♪ Honey, I'm still free ♪ 1099 00:59:18.888 --> 00:59:21.808 {\an1}♪ Take a chance on me ♪ 1100 00:59:21.891 --> 00:59:23.643 {\an1}TAYLOR: Or a Radiohead song. 1101 00:59:23.726 --> 00:59:25.937 {\an1}♪ In the fake plastic earth ♪ 1102 00:59:26.020 --> 00:59:28.731 {\an1}♪ That she bought from a rubber man ♪ 1103 00:59:28.815 --> 00:59:31.359 {\an1}♪ To get rid of itself ♪ 1104 00:59:32.318 --> 00:59:34.070 {\an1}♪ It wears her out ♪ 1105 00:59:34.779 --> 00:59:39.826 {\an1}♪ It wears her out ♪ 1106 00:59:46.416 --> 00:59:50.044 {\an1}GUY: She was in a position now where it's like, 1107 00:59:50.128 --> 00:59:52.380 {\an1}"Who do you want to open for you?" 1108 00:59:52.463 --> 00:59:54.924 {\an1}ALANIS: Radiohead opened up for us on tour. 1109 00:59:55.008 --> 00:59:56.801 {\an1}♪ But I'm a creep ♪ 1110 00:59:58.136 --> 01:00:00.179 {\an1}ALANIS: I like to think and tell myself 1111 01:00:00.263 --> 01:00:04.142 {\an1}that I basically influenced them heavily. 1112 01:00:05.977 --> 01:00:08.688 {\an1}TAYLOR: We would do our sound check and then watch them. 1113 01:00:08.771 --> 01:00:11.482 {\an1}Radiohead would take two hours to sound check. 1114 01:00:11.566 --> 01:00:13.985 {\an1}They were writing OK Computer. 1115 01:00:16.195 --> 01:00:17.488 {\an1}I got along with the band really good. 1116 01:00:17.572 --> 01:00:20.992 {\an1}I got along with Thom good too. "Thom." I call him "Thom." 1117 01:00:21.075 --> 01:00:23.202 {\an1}Taylor was more hanging out with them. 1118 01:00:23.286 --> 01:00:24.704 {\an1}I tried at first. 1119 01:00:24.787 --> 01:00:26.831 {\an1}Like, "I could be your friend, and I'll come to your--" 1120 01:00:26.914 --> 01:00:28.458 {\an1}"No, okay, bye." 1121 01:00:28.541 --> 01:00:32.545 {\an1}You know, the fucking aloofness killed me dead. 1122 01:00:32.628 --> 01:00:34.630 {\an1}Fuck, Hollywood is ennui. 1123 01:00:35.465 --> 01:00:37.884 {\an1}I was dying from the aloofness. 1124 01:00:37.967 --> 01:00:39.385 {\an1}We were playing with Neil Young in Europe, 1125 01:00:39.469 --> 01:00:40.887 {\an1}a whole bunch of dates, so I'm listening 1126 01:00:40.970 --> 01:00:43.306 {\an1}to all his catalogue right now. 1127 01:00:43.389 --> 01:00:44.891 {\an1}Everyone loves Neil Young. 1128 01:00:46.059 --> 01:00:47.685 {\an1}It's good to play with him, yeah. 1129 01:00:47.769 --> 01:00:50.730 {\an1}He's Canadian, and he's a great artist. 1130 01:00:50.813 --> 01:00:53.941 {\an1}And he's got a lot of sort of musical history, 1131 01:00:54.025 --> 01:00:55.777 {\an1}and he's very sage. 1132 01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:58.696 {\an1}So it'll be good to be around that kind of a vibe for a while. 1133 01:01:01.282 --> 01:01:04.369 {\an1}There were so many people that came to her show. 1134 01:01:04.452 --> 01:01:08.706 {\an1}Beck rode with us on the bus, Dave Grohl rode with us. 1135 01:01:08.790 --> 01:01:09.791 {\an1}TAYLOR: We were with 1136 01:01:09.874 --> 01:01:11.376 {\an1}the Foo Fighters a lot of the time. 1137 01:01:11.459 --> 01:01:13.252 {\an1}And the Foo Fighters rock. 1138 01:01:13.336 --> 01:01:15.171 {\an1}Dave would leave notes sometimes 1139 01:01:15.254 --> 01:01:16.923 {\an1}'cause they knew we'd be playing the club 1140 01:01:17.006 --> 01:01:18.216 {\an1}a week later or something. 1141 01:01:20.510 --> 01:01:22.178 {\an1}♪ Ob-la-di, ob-la-da ♪ 1142 01:01:22.261 --> 01:01:23.971 {\an1}♪ Life goes on, wah ♪ 1143 01:01:24.055 --> 01:01:26.516 {\an1}♪ La, la, how the life goes on ♪ 1144 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.226 {\an1}♪ Ob-la-di, ob-la-da ♪ 1145 01:01:28.309 --> 01:01:29.977 {\an1}♪ Life goes on, wah ♪ 1146 01:01:30.061 --> 01:01:32.563 {\an1}♪ La, la, how the life goes on ♪ 1147 01:01:32.647 --> 01:01:34.232 {\an1}♪ Ob-la-di, ob-la-da ♪ 1148 01:01:34.315 --> 01:01:36.067 {\an1}♪ Life goes on, wah ♪ 1149 01:01:36.150 --> 01:01:38.653 {\an1}♪ La, la, how the life goes on ♪ 1150 01:01:38.736 --> 01:01:40.279 {\an1}♪ Ob-la-di, ob-la-da ♪ 1151 01:01:40.363 --> 01:01:41.948 {\an1}♪ Life goes on, wah ♪ 1152 01:01:42.031 --> 01:01:44.450 {\an1}♪ La, la, how the life goes on ♪ 1153 01:01:51.207 --> 01:01:52.708 {\an1}Whoo! 1154 01:01:52.792 --> 01:01:54.460 {\an1}Thank you, God bless you. 1155 01:01:54.544 --> 01:01:59.590 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1156 01:02:02.677 --> 01:02:05.513 {\an1}-ALANIS: Where? Did we miss it? -BAND MEMBER: Come back around. 1157 01:02:07.723 --> 01:02:09.976 {\an1}TAYLOR: I remember being protective of her. 1158 01:02:10.059 --> 01:02:11.144 {\an1}I remember playing clubs 1159 01:02:11.227 --> 01:02:13.187 {\an1}and guys trying to sneak backstage and stuff, 1160 01:02:13.271 --> 01:02:14.439 {\an1}just a little bit. 1161 01:02:14.522 --> 01:02:16.983 {\an1}But I just remember us being, like, protective of her. 1162 01:02:17.066 --> 01:02:20.278 {\an1}And her being sort of protective of us 1163 01:02:20.361 --> 01:02:22.655 {\an1}and also being like, you know, 1164 01:02:22.738 --> 01:02:24.407 {\an1}"You guys being good boys out here?" 1165 01:02:24.490 --> 01:02:27.076 {\an1}Which, of course, we were fucking not at all. 1166 01:02:27.160 --> 01:02:31.372 {\an1}I mean, the most debaucherous tour I've ever done in my life 1167 01:02:31.456 --> 01:02:32.748 {\an1}was with Alanis Morissette. 1168 01:02:33.833 --> 01:02:34.792 {\an1}BAND MEMBER: Aloha. 1169 01:02:34.876 --> 01:02:36.210 {\an1}CHRIS: We were just partying. 1170 01:02:36.294 --> 01:02:37.837 {\an1}Like, that's what our heroes did. 1171 01:02:38.629 --> 01:02:40.047 {\an1}I remember Slash saying, 1172 01:02:40.131 --> 01:02:43.217 {\an1}"God, I remember hearing about how you guys were on that tour." 1173 01:02:43.301 --> 01:02:46.053 {\an1}"I mean, I heard you guys were partying harder than we were." 1174 01:02:47.472 --> 01:02:50.683 {\an1}These, like, 24, 25-year-old guys. 1175 01:02:50.766 --> 01:02:52.477 {\an1}We have, like, hormones on fire. 1176 01:02:52.560 --> 01:02:53.853 {\an1}Now we're rock stars playing 1177 01:02:53.936 --> 01:02:55.771 {\an1}with the biggest pop star on the planet. 1178 01:02:59.817 --> 01:03:00.985 {\an1}CHRIS: Chicago! 1179 01:03:03.571 --> 01:03:04.822 {\an1}Hey, Taylor! 1180 01:03:05.990 --> 01:03:07.283 {\an1}''Hey, there's the man. 1181 01:03:07.366 --> 01:03:09.911 {\an1}-I started this. I started-- -Good job. 1182 01:03:09.994 --> 01:03:12.038 {\an1}-That's her pen. -He's so hot, isn't he? 1183 01:03:12.121 --> 01:03:13.122 {\an1}-Yeah! -Yeah. 1184 01:03:13.206 --> 01:03:14.749 {\an1}TAYLOR: As Alanis is rising, 1185 01:03:14.832 --> 01:03:17.585 {\an1}strong woman, standing up for, you know... 1186 01:03:18.753 --> 01:03:21.214 {\an1}just, like, feminism, you know, essentially. 1187 01:03:21.297 --> 01:03:22.340 {\an1}And... 1188 01:03:23.799 --> 01:03:26.969 {\an1}And we were all just, the whole band was just... 1189 01:03:27.053 --> 01:03:30.598 {\an1}trying to fuck as many chicks as we possibly could 1190 01:03:30.681 --> 01:03:31.724 {\an1}the whole time. 1191 01:03:31.807 --> 01:03:33.059 {\an1}Here we have Jesse Tobias 1192 01:03:33.142 --> 01:03:34.435 {\an1}getting in on the autograph scam. 1193 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.021 {\an1}Got a lot of young ladies that want to meet him. 1194 01:03:37.104 --> 01:03:40.191 {\an1}Can we be your groupies and tag along on the road with you? 1195 01:03:40.274 --> 01:03:41.359 {\an1}ALANIS: These young women 1196 01:03:41.442 --> 01:03:43.402 {\an1}are coming just to hear what I have to say, 1197 01:03:43.486 --> 01:03:46.072 {\an1}and then you're manipulating the groupie conversation? 1198 01:03:46.155 --> 01:03:48.032 {\an1}Even the word "groupie", I'm like, "No." 1199 01:03:48.115 --> 01:03:51.160 {\an1}You mean a human fucking being coming to a show. 1200 01:03:51.244 --> 01:03:54.121 {\an1}Agenda-d or not. Doesn't fucking matter. 1201 01:03:55.331 --> 01:03:57.875 {\an1}We had a stack of after-show passes. 1202 01:03:59.293 --> 01:04:01.045 {\an1}I can't believe I'm gonna tell you this. 1203 01:04:01.128 --> 01:04:03.714 {\an1}We literally had a room 1204 01:04:03.798 --> 01:04:05.383 {\an1}on the other side of the arena, 1205 01:04:05.466 --> 01:04:07.885 {\an1}and our guitar tech would give out passes. 1206 01:04:07.969 --> 01:04:10.846 {\an1}To bring women backstage who just are dying. 1207 01:04:10.930 --> 01:04:13.683 {\an1}They want to meet Alanis. Maybe they want to meet us, 1208 01:04:13.766 --> 01:04:16.102 {\an1}but we know they want to meet Alanis. 1209 01:04:16.185 --> 01:04:20.439 {\an1}The hypocrisy of what her music and message was, 1210 01:04:20.523 --> 01:04:23.526 {\an1}then here you have us, like, scoundrels. 1211 01:04:23.609 --> 01:04:24.902 {\an1}You know, trying to get laid. 1212 01:04:24.986 --> 01:04:26.612 {\an1}You know what? Taylor's out there stealing all 1213 01:04:26.696 --> 01:04:27.655 {\an1}the young girls, Alanis. 1214 01:04:27.738 --> 01:04:29.073 {\an1}-He's right there, hon. -He's in here. 1215 01:04:29.156 --> 01:04:30.408 {\an1}You fucking liar! 1216 01:04:30.491 --> 01:04:32.118 {\an1}What are you talking about, you turkey? 1217 01:04:34.495 --> 01:04:35.746 {\an1}And then Alanis found out about that, 1218 01:04:35.830 --> 01:04:37.790 {\an1}and she got so fucking pissed at us. 1219 01:04:39.333 --> 01:04:41.919 {\an1}It did feel disrespectful to me. 1220 01:04:42.003 --> 01:04:44.589 {\an1}Some of the behavior just didn't match 1221 01:04:44.672 --> 01:04:47.758 {\an1}my mission or my value system at all. 1222 01:04:47.842 --> 01:04:51.637 {\an1}But I'd only grown up around men. 1223 01:04:51.721 --> 01:04:53.306 {\an1}So I just thought, "Okay, well, 1224 01:04:53.389 --> 01:04:55.182 {\an1}you gonna replace them with five other men 1225 01:04:55.266 --> 01:04:58.060 {\an1}that are gonna do the exact same thing and won't sound as great?" 1226 01:04:58.144 --> 01:04:59.937 {\an1}(LAUGHS) 1227 01:05:02.982 --> 01:05:05.443 {\an1}All those years of sitting in my bedroom practicing my guitar, 1228 01:05:05.526 --> 01:05:07.445 {\an1}how did they get me to right now? 1229 01:05:09.322 --> 01:05:11.032 {\an1}ALANIS: What can I ask you? 1230 01:05:11.115 --> 01:05:16.579 {\an1}What's it like being a male playing in a band with a woman? 1231 01:05:17.330 --> 01:05:18.247 {\an1}NICK: I think, in a sense, 1232 01:05:18.331 --> 01:05:20.291 {\an1}lead singers are their own breed. 1233 01:05:20.374 --> 01:05:21.417 {\an1}ALANIS: A dime a dozen? (LAUGHS) 1234 01:05:21.500 --> 01:05:22.668 {\an1}NICK: No, they're their own breed, 1235 01:05:22.752 --> 01:05:24.128 {\an1}whether you're male or female. 1236 01:05:24.211 --> 01:05:27.089 {\an1}You guys, this looks so amazing. I'm dying. 1237 01:05:28.507 --> 01:05:30.509 {\an1}SHIRLEY: When you are the only woman 1238 01:05:30.593 --> 01:05:33.596 {\an1}in a male-dominated environment, 1239 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:37.558 {\an1}no matter what the relationship is with your peers 1240 01:05:37.642 --> 01:05:39.185 {\an1}or your employees, 1241 01:05:39.268 --> 01:05:42.146 {\an1}it's still, I think, very complicated and complex. 1242 01:05:42.229 --> 01:05:44.649 {\an1}Men have not been raised to believe 1243 01:05:44.732 --> 01:05:45.983 {\an1}that women should have 1244 01:05:46.067 --> 01:05:49.070 {\an1}as much social and economic power as they do. 1245 01:05:50.237 --> 01:05:53.491 {\an1}I didn't pay attention to who her band was. But... 1246 01:05:55.117 --> 01:05:58.162 {\an1}were we supposed to? (CHUCKLES) 1247 01:05:58.245 --> 01:06:00.164 {\an1}-ALANIS: Michelle. There she is. -Hi. 1248 01:06:00.247 --> 01:06:02.375 {\an1}-ALANIS: Hi, cutie. -Hi. 1249 01:06:02.458 --> 01:06:04.251 {\an1}MICHELE: The fact that the band wasn't 1250 01:06:04.335 --> 01:06:06.837 {\an1}"Alanis Morissette and the Heartbreakers", 1251 01:06:07.672 --> 01:06:09.548 {\an1}the fact that they weren't 1252 01:06:09.632 --> 01:06:13.177 {\an1}headlining with their names and Alanis, 1253 01:06:13.260 --> 01:06:15.680 {\an1}it might have been hard for them. 1254 01:06:18.224 --> 01:06:21.060 {\an1}It was what it was. I mean, it's my record. 1255 01:06:21.143 --> 01:06:22.144 {\an1}This is Jagged Little Pill. 1256 01:06:22.228 --> 01:06:25.064 {\an1}And you're all knocking it out of the park 1257 01:06:25.147 --> 01:06:28.901 {\an1}and taking it to a whole other level. 1258 01:06:28.984 --> 01:06:33.656 {\an1}But there was no way around the fact that it was me. 1259 01:06:35.282 --> 01:06:36.534 {\an1}You auditioned for-- 1260 01:06:36.617 --> 01:06:40.788 {\an1}You auditioned to be in the band for a solo artist. 1261 01:06:40.871 --> 01:06:42.915 {\an1}So, if that's not what you're okay with... 1262 01:06:44.208 --> 01:06:45.459 {\an1}you don't have to be here. 1263 01:06:45.543 --> 01:06:48.546 {\an1}♪ ("YOU OUGHTA KNOW" BY SCALA & KOLACNY BROTHERS PLAYS) ♪ 1264 01:06:48.629 --> 01:06:51.841 {\an1}♪ I want you to know ♪ 1265 01:06:51.924 --> 01:06:55.428 {\an1}♪ That I'm happy for you ♪ 1266 01:06:56.470 --> 01:06:59.890 {\an1}♪ I wish nothing but ♪ 1267 01:06:59.974 --> 01:07:03.185 {\an1}♪ The best for you both ♪ 1268 01:07:03.269 --> 01:07:07.148 {\an1}♪ An older version of me Is she perverted like me? ♪ 1269 01:07:07.231 --> 01:07:10.943 {\an1}♪ Will she go down on you in a theatre? ♪ 1270 01:07:11.026 --> 01:07:13.154 {\an1}♪ Does she speak eloquently? ♪ 1271 01:07:13.237 --> 01:07:15.114 {\an1}♪ And would she have your baby ♪ 1272 01:07:15.197 --> 01:07:19.118 {\an1}♪ I'm sure she'd make a really excellent mother ♪ 1273 01:07:19.201 --> 01:07:21.036 {\an1}♪ 'Cause the love that you gave that we made ♪ 1274 01:07:21.120 --> 01:07:24.832 {\an1}♪ Wasn't able to make it enough for you to be open wide ♪ 1275 01:07:25.750 --> 01:07:27.585 {\an1}♪ No ♪ 1276 01:07:27.668 --> 01:07:29.295 {\an1}♪ And every time you speak her name ♪ 1277 01:07:29.378 --> 01:07:32.465 {\an1}♪ Does she know how you told me you'd hold me until you died ♪ 1278 01:07:32.548 --> 01:07:34.967 {\an1}♪ Till you died But you're still alive ♪ 1279 01:07:35.050 --> 01:07:38.804 {\an1}♪ But I'm here to remind you ♪ 1280 01:07:38.888 --> 01:07:40.806 {\an1}♪ Of the mess you left... ♪ 1281 01:07:40.890 --> 01:07:44.018 {\an1}LISA: As soon as Alanis' started becoming a thing, 1282 01:07:44.101 --> 01:07:46.812 {\an1}of course came the idea that she was Svengali'd 1283 01:07:46.896 --> 01:07:49.148 {\an1}because she wrote the record with Glen Ballard. 1284 01:07:49.231 --> 01:07:52.693 {\an1}Therefore, clearly, it's good, so it had to come from a man. 1285 01:07:54.737 --> 01:07:57.782 {\an1}SHIRLEY: It's still an instinct to diminish any woman 1286 01:07:57.865 --> 01:08:01.202 {\an1}who isn't willing to participate 1287 01:08:01.285 --> 01:08:05.414 {\an1}in the little box that has been carved out for her in society. 1288 01:08:05.498 --> 01:08:08.042 {\an1}HANIF: All the Jagged Little Pill reviews that I read 1289 01:08:08.125 --> 01:08:09.251 {\an1}were written by men 1290 01:08:09.335 --> 01:08:13.839 {\an1}who could not move beyond this binary of, 1291 01:08:13.923 --> 01:08:16.675 {\an1}"Well, she's angrier than we'd like her to be." 1292 01:08:16.759 --> 01:08:19.512 {\an1}ALANIS: When I write really angry songs about someone, 1293 01:08:19.594 --> 01:08:21.721 {\an1}I'm not writing to get back at that person, 1294 01:08:21.806 --> 01:08:23.349 {\an1}I'm writing because it's the only environment 1295 01:08:23.432 --> 01:08:26.393 {\an1}where I can get angry and not have it be destructive. 1296 01:08:26.477 --> 01:08:31.232 {\an1}It's just an expression, unjudged, uncensored. 1297 01:08:31.315 --> 01:08:34.193 {\an1}It's a very pure, sacred place to me. 1298 01:08:35.443 --> 01:08:38.863 {\an1}JOHANNA: "You Oughta Know" created this perception 1299 01:08:38.948 --> 01:08:43.702 {\an1}that Alanis was this rageful, vengeful, 1300 01:08:43.786 --> 01:08:45.996 {\an1}angry young woman. 1301 01:08:46.080 --> 01:08:47.997 {\an1}HANIF: And of course, that's gendered, right? 1302 01:08:48.082 --> 01:08:50.209 {\an1}Of course, so much of it was, at its core, 1303 01:08:50.291 --> 01:08:52.920 {\an1}"Well, why is this woman so angry?" 1304 01:08:53.003 --> 01:08:55.548 {\an1}Even in the reviews that praised Jagged Little Pill, 1305 01:08:55.630 --> 01:08:57.383 {\an1}there are people who were just, like, "Well, gosh, 1306 01:08:57.466 --> 01:08:58.925 {\an1}she's just so angry." 1307 01:09:00.094 --> 01:09:02.304 {\an1}They were bearing witness to someone who was 1308 01:09:02.388 --> 01:09:04.849 {\an1}an immensely gifted writer. 1309 01:09:04.932 --> 01:09:07.268 {\an1}It was easier to kind of, like, backhandedly compliment 1310 01:09:07.351 --> 01:09:10.353 {\an1}the writing while couching it in, "But she's so angry." 1311 01:09:12.439 --> 01:09:15.943 {\an1}ALANIS: Empowerment as a young woman in the '90s 1312 01:09:16.026 --> 01:09:18.487 {\an1}was exciting for a lot of people. 1313 01:09:18.571 --> 01:09:23.367 {\an1}But it was also not good news for the patriarchy. 1314 01:09:23.450 --> 01:09:27.705 {\an1}All of a sudden, I started naming it or singing about it. 1315 01:09:27.788 --> 01:09:29.915 {\an1}That was not welcome. 1316 01:09:29.999 --> 01:09:33.210 {\an1}If you spoke up, you were just immediately shut down... 1317 01:09:34.460 --> 01:09:35.587 {\an1}and shamed. 1318 01:09:35.671 --> 01:09:36.797 {\an1}♪ That you gave to me ♪ 1319 01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:39.842 {\an1}♪ You, you, you oughta know ♪ 1320 01:09:43.219 --> 01:09:46.348 {\an1}The point in my writing these songs... 1321 01:09:46.432 --> 01:09:47.933 {\an1}I was not writing to punish. 1322 01:09:48.017 --> 01:09:50.644 {\an1}I was writing to express and get it out of my body 1323 01:09:50.728 --> 01:09:52.646 {\an1}because I didn't want to get sick. 1324 01:09:54.523 --> 01:09:57.067 {\an1}When I was younger, I spent a lot of time with adults. 1325 01:09:57.151 --> 01:10:00.487 {\an1}And I immersed myself in an industry that, you know, 1326 01:10:00.571 --> 01:10:02.781 {\an1}forces you to have an accelerated growth. 1327 01:10:02.865 --> 01:10:04.950 {\an1}So you have to grow up in order to control 1328 01:10:05.034 --> 01:10:06.410 {\an1}what's happening to you, I suppose. 1329 01:10:06.493 --> 01:10:08.704 {\an1}Yeah, self-protection, self-preservation. 1330 01:10:09.914 --> 01:10:11.373 {\an1}I mean, I had no idea what the concept 1331 01:10:11.457 --> 01:10:13.291 {\an1}of "professional boundary" meant. 1332 01:10:13.375 --> 01:10:15.127 {\an1}But it was me getting a sense of... 1333 01:10:16.962 --> 01:10:18.964 {\an1}boundaries, or lack thereof. 1334 01:10:19.048 --> 01:10:20.633 {\an1}INTERVIEWER: Have you had some bad loves? 1335 01:10:20.716 --> 01:10:21.800 {\an1}Yes, definitely. 1336 01:10:21.884 --> 01:10:24.011 {\an1}I've had a lot of sort of negative relationships, 1337 01:10:24.094 --> 01:10:25.888 {\an1}definitely. Um... 1338 01:10:25.971 --> 01:10:29.141 {\an1}partly-- you know, partly my responsibility, really. 1339 01:10:29.224 --> 01:10:32.269 {\an1}I take-- You know, I take responsibility for those. 1340 01:10:32.353 --> 01:10:34.188 {\an1}No, no, no, you don't have to blame yourself. 1341 01:10:34.271 --> 01:10:37.273 {\an1}I'm not blaming myself. I'm taking part responsibility. 1342 01:10:40.861 --> 01:10:43.447 {\an1}Me not telling specific information about 1343 01:10:43.530 --> 01:10:45.282 {\an1}my experience as a teenager 1344 01:10:45.366 --> 01:10:50.371 {\an1}was almost solely around wanting to protect. 1345 01:10:51.538 --> 01:10:54.166 {\an1}Protect my parents, protect... 1346 01:10:54.250 --> 01:10:58.045 {\an1}my brothers, protect future partners, 1347 01:10:58.128 --> 01:11:00.880 {\an1}protect myself, protect my physical safety. 1348 01:11:02.549 --> 01:11:03.550 {\an1}Yeah. 1349 01:11:05.344 --> 01:11:06.344 {\an1}I'm gonna need some help, 1350 01:11:06.428 --> 01:11:08.055 {\an1}'cause I never talk about this shit. 1351 01:11:09.682 --> 01:11:10.975 {\an1}There was a lot of shame 1352 01:11:11.058 --> 01:11:15.103 {\an1}around having any kind of victimization of any kind. 1353 01:11:15.187 --> 01:11:17.523 {\an1}And it took me years in therapy to even admit 1354 01:11:17.606 --> 01:11:19.984 {\an1}that there had been any kind of victimization on my part. 1355 01:11:20.067 --> 01:11:21.860 {\an1}I would always say, you know, 1356 01:11:21.943 --> 01:11:23.320 {\an1}"I was consenting." You know? 1357 01:11:23.404 --> 01:11:26.156 {\an1}And then I'd be reminded, like, "Hey, you were 15." 1358 01:11:26.240 --> 01:11:27.825 {\an1}"You're not consenting at 15." 1359 01:11:27.907 --> 01:11:30.160 {\an1}Now I'm like, "Oh yeah, they're all pedophiles." 1360 01:11:30.244 --> 01:11:31.704 {\an1}"It's all statutory rape." 1361 01:11:35.499 --> 01:11:38.377 {\an1}I did tell a few people and they-- 1362 01:11:38.460 --> 01:11:41.964 {\an1}You know, it kind of fell on deaf ears a little bit. 1363 01:11:42.047 --> 01:11:46.135 {\an1}It would usually be a "stand up, walk out of the room" moment. 1364 01:11:46.218 --> 01:11:49.221 {\an1}So a lot of people say, "Why did that woman wait 30 years?" 1365 01:11:49.304 --> 01:11:51.639 {\an1}I'm like, "Fuck off, they didn't wait 30 years." 1366 01:11:51.724 --> 01:11:54.393 {\an1}"No one was listening, or their livelihood was threatened, 1367 01:11:54.476 --> 01:11:56.895 {\an1}or their family was threatened." 1368 01:11:56.978 --> 01:11:59.982 {\an1}So, yeah, the whole "why do women wait" thing, 1369 01:12:00.065 --> 01:12:01.900 {\an1}women don't wait. 1370 01:12:01.984 --> 01:12:03.318 {\an1}A culture doesn't listen. 1371 01:12:03.943 --> 01:12:06.071 {\an1}(PROJECTOR WHIRRING) 1372 01:12:26.341 --> 01:12:28.761 {\an1}HANIF: Whenever people talk about the album, 1373 01:12:28.844 --> 01:12:32.973 {\an1}they are often quick to talk about the anger in it, 1374 01:12:33.057 --> 01:12:37.978 {\an1}but not about the release or the joy or the pleasure in it. 1375 01:12:38.062 --> 01:12:41.857 {\an1}Because Jagged Little Pill is also a humorous album. 1376 01:12:41.940 --> 01:12:45.110 {\an1}And it's also playful, and it's also layered. 1377 01:12:45.193 --> 01:12:48.489 {\an1}It's also heartbreaking, but promising. 1378 01:12:49.823 --> 01:12:52.659 {\an1}None of the rest of that album is that angry. 1379 01:12:54.327 --> 01:12:56.580 {\an1}ALANIS: What about songs like "Head Over Feet"? 1380 01:12:56.663 --> 01:12:58.957 {\an1}What about songs like "You Learn"? 1381 01:12:59.041 --> 01:13:00.959 {\an1}KEVIN: I mean, come on, you throw 1382 01:13:01.043 --> 01:13:02.294 {\an1}a fucking rock at that album, 1383 01:13:02.377 --> 01:13:05.755 {\an1}you hit a song that somebody sang, anthem-like, 1384 01:13:05.839 --> 01:13:07.508 {\an1}over and over and over again. 1385 01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:12.262 {\an1}GLEN: There's only one song that I wanted on the record 1386 01:13:12.346 --> 01:13:14.181 {\an1}that nobody really wanted on the record. 1387 01:13:14.264 --> 01:13:15.974 {\an1}It was called "Ironic". 1388 01:13:16.058 --> 01:13:20.938 {\an1}♪ ("IRONIC" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 1389 01:13:21.021 --> 01:13:24.358 {\an1}I begged. And we put it way down the list. 1390 01:13:27.486 --> 01:13:29.737 {\an1}♪ An old man ♪ 1391 01:13:30.614 --> 01:13:32.449 {\an1}♪ Turned 98 ♪ 1392 01:13:33.157 --> 01:13:36.411 {\an1}♪ He won the lottery ♪ 1393 01:13:36.495 --> 01:13:38.831 {\an1}♪ And died the next day ♪ 1394 01:13:39.998 --> 01:13:42.459 {\an1}The idea of something that's almost perfect 1395 01:13:42.543 --> 01:13:43.877 {\an1}and then something ruins it. 1396 01:13:45.754 --> 01:13:48.674 {\an1}♪ It's a death row pardon ♪ 1397 01:13:48.757 --> 01:13:51.468 {\an1}♪ Two minutes too late ♪ 1398 01:13:51.552 --> 01:13:53.594 {\an1}♪ Isn't it ironic? ♪ 1399 01:13:54.513 --> 01:13:56.473 {\an1}♪ Don't you think? ♪ 1400 01:13:56.557 --> 01:13:59.559 {\an1}For her to write, "It's like rain on your wedding day..." 1401 01:14:00.309 --> 01:14:01.395 {\an1}It's like... 1402 01:14:02.228 --> 01:14:03.063 {\an1}What a hook. 1403 01:14:03.147 --> 01:14:05.816 {\an1}I'm sorry, she just fucking nailed it. 1404 01:14:05.898 --> 01:14:09.570 {\an1}♪ It's like rain ♪ 1405 01:14:09.653 --> 01:14:11.612 {\an1}♪ On your wedding day ♪ 1406 01:14:11.697 --> 01:14:15.159 {\an1}♪ It's a free ride ♪ 1407 01:14:15.242 --> 01:14:17.327 {\an1}♪ When you've already paid ♪ 1408 01:14:17.411 --> 01:14:20.831 {\an1}♪ It's the good advice ♪ 1409 01:14:20.914 --> 01:14:23.333 {\an1}♪ That you just didn't take ♪ 1410 01:14:23.416 --> 01:14:26.378 {\an1}♪ And who would've thought? ♪ 1411 01:14:26.460 --> 01:14:29.339 {\an1}♪ It figures ♪ 1412 01:14:29.423 --> 01:14:34.344 {\an1}♪ Mr. Play-It-Safe was afraid to fly ♪ 1413 01:14:34.428 --> 01:14:40.475 {\an1}♪ He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye ♪ 1414 01:14:40.559 --> 01:14:47.023 {\an1}♪ He waited his whole damn life to take that flight ♪ 1415 01:14:47.107 --> 01:14:51.153 {\an1}HANIF: She almost writes with communal gathering in mind. 1416 01:14:52.654 --> 01:14:55.449 {\an1}Alanis is one of those artists who has mastered 1417 01:14:55.532 --> 01:14:58.160 {\an1}the shout-along crescendo. 1418 01:14:58.243 --> 01:15:03.874 {\an1}♪ It's like rain on your wedding day ♪ 1419 01:15:03.957 --> 01:15:09.838 {\an1}♪ It's a free ride when you've already paid ♪ 1420 01:15:09.922 --> 01:15:16.261 {\an1}♪ It's the good advice that you just didn't take ♪ 1421 01:15:16.344 --> 01:15:23.434 {\an1}♪ And who would have thought? It figures ♪ 1422 01:15:25.353 --> 01:15:29.566 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1423 01:15:29.650 --> 01:15:32.818 {\an1}A-one, and a-two, and a-one, two, three. 1424 01:15:32.903 --> 01:15:37.324 {\an1}♪ Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you ♪ 1425 01:15:37.407 --> 01:15:40.285 {\an1}♪ When you think everything's okay ♪ 1426 01:15:40.369 --> 01:15:44.748 {\an1}♪ And everything's going right ♪ 1427 01:15:46.166 --> 01:15:47.291 {\an1}♪ And yeah, well ♪ 1428 01:15:47.376 --> 01:15:50.712 {\an1}♪ Life has a funnier way of helping you out ♪ 1429 01:15:50.796 --> 01:15:53.882 {\an1}♪ When you think everything's gone very wrong ♪ 1430 01:15:53.966 --> 01:15:57.594 {\an1}♪ And everything blows up in your face ♪ 1431 01:16:00.806 --> 01:16:03.308 {\an1}KEVIN: It's a female artist singing about 1432 01:16:03.392 --> 01:16:05.394 {\an1}a female life and identity 1433 01:16:05.477 --> 01:16:07.521 {\an1}that transcended gender, 1434 01:16:07.603 --> 01:16:09.898 {\an1}where dudes could be like, "I feel the same way." 1435 01:16:11.692 --> 01:16:14.778 {\an1}HANIF: She's also great with imagery. 1436 01:16:14.861 --> 01:16:19.616 {\an1}While people were arguing over the linguistic use of irony, 1437 01:16:19.700 --> 01:16:23.120 {\an1}I think they missed out on the imagery. 1438 01:16:23.202 --> 01:16:25.455 {\an1}♪ It's like 10,000 spoons ♪ 1439 01:16:25.539 --> 01:16:28.291 {\an1}♪ When all you need is a knife ♪ 1440 01:16:28.375 --> 01:16:30.794 {\an1}GLEN: Ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife. 1441 01:16:30.877 --> 01:16:33.922 {\an1}Who comes up with that shit? Alanis, you know? 1442 01:16:35.424 --> 01:16:37.217 {\an1}♪ Isn't it ironic? ♪ 1443 01:16:37.300 --> 01:16:39.094 {\an1}HANIF: When you talk about rain on your wedding day, 1444 01:16:39.177 --> 01:16:41.972 {\an1}I can see and feel the disappointment 1445 01:16:42.055 --> 01:16:43.139 {\an1}that comes with that. 1446 01:16:43.223 --> 01:16:45.642 {\an1}I didn't know what that was when I was 13, 14. 1447 01:16:45.726 --> 01:16:49.103 {\an1}♪ It's like rain ♪ 1448 01:16:49.187 --> 01:16:51.982 {\an1}♪ On your wedding day ♪ 1449 01:16:52.065 --> 01:16:54.818 {\an1}♪ It's a free ride ♪ 1450 01:16:54.901 --> 01:16:57.237 {\an1}♪ When you've already paid ♪ 1451 01:16:57.321 --> 01:17:00.490 {\an1}♪ It's the good advice ♪ 1452 01:17:00.574 --> 01:17:03.535 {\an1}♪ That you just didn't take ♪ 1453 01:17:03.618 --> 01:17:06.371 {\an1}♪ And who would have thought? ♪ 1454 01:17:06.455 --> 01:17:10.834 {\an1}♪ It figures ♪ 1455 01:17:12.127 --> 01:17:13.378 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 1456 01:17:14.630 --> 01:17:15.880 {\an1}♪ Yeah, yeah, well ♪ 1457 01:17:15.964 --> 01:17:19.800 {\an1}♪ Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you ♪ 1458 01:17:19.885 --> 01:17:26.892 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 1459 01:17:34.523 --> 01:17:38.236 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1460 01:17:55.879 --> 01:17:57.380 {\an1}DRIVER: Hey, do you want me to go straight 1461 01:17:57.464 --> 01:17:59.216 {\an1}-and we'll come back around? -Want to get down? 1462 01:18:01.718 --> 01:18:03.011 {\an1}Here you go. 1463 01:18:03.428 --> 01:18:04.554 {\an1}God. 1464 01:18:09.934 --> 01:18:12.062 {\an1}ALANIS: I couldn't leave my hotel room. 1465 01:18:13.397 --> 01:18:16.023 {\an1}We'd land somewhere, and there'd be 10,000, 20,000 people. 1466 01:18:16.108 --> 01:18:19.611 {\an1}And I'd walk through, and people would snip pieces of my hair 1467 01:18:19.693 --> 01:18:20.904 {\an1}or just punch me. 1468 01:18:22.656 --> 01:18:25.075 {\an1}That's where I was like, "This can't be personal." 1469 01:18:25.157 --> 01:18:27.244 {\an1}"This isn't personal." 1470 01:18:27.327 --> 01:18:30.330 {\an1}"This is just... a thing... 1471 01:18:31.623 --> 01:18:33.959 {\an1}that has almost nothing to do with me." 1472 01:18:36.503 --> 01:18:39.923 {\an1}Being in the public eye is not a normal social construct. 1473 01:18:41.591 --> 01:18:43.802 {\an1}I used to will myself to go back to sleep, 1474 01:18:43.885 --> 01:18:46.847 {\an1}because my waking life felt like such a dream. 1475 01:18:46.930 --> 01:18:49.891 {\an1}And when I would sleep, it felt like a normal life. 1476 01:18:49.975 --> 01:18:51.518 {\an1}♪ And all I really want ♪ 1477 01:18:52.602 --> 01:18:54.228 {\an1}♪ Is some comfort ♪ 1478 01:18:55.730 --> 01:18:59.109 {\an1}♪ A way to get my hands untied ♪ 1479 01:19:00.818 --> 01:19:02.320 {\an1}♪ And all I really want ♪ 1480 01:19:03.237 --> 01:19:05.031 {\an1}♪ Is some justice ♪ 1481 01:19:05.657 --> 01:19:10.412 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 1482 01:19:12.706 --> 01:19:19.504 {\an1}♪ All I really want ♪ 1483 01:19:21.590 --> 01:19:26.219 {\an1}(SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) 1484 01:19:26.303 --> 01:19:28.388 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1485 01:19:30.307 --> 01:19:31.683 {\an1}ALANIS: You're in a lot of positions 1486 01:19:31.766 --> 01:19:33.809 {\an1}where you want to connect with people. 1487 01:19:33.894 --> 01:19:35.520 {\an1}There was less of a sense of community 1488 01:19:35.603 --> 01:19:36.897 {\an1}than I thought there would be. 1489 01:19:36.980 --> 01:19:40.108 {\an1}And there's a lot of illusion within all of what I do. 1490 01:19:40.192 --> 01:19:43.195 {\an1}There's a lot of mystery surrounding it. 1491 01:19:43.278 --> 01:19:45.655 {\an1}And when you really get inside of it and you realize 1492 01:19:45.739 --> 01:19:48.492 {\an1}that success as such may not give you what it has 1493 01:19:48.575 --> 01:19:50.243 {\an1}promised it would give you, 1494 01:19:50.327 --> 01:19:52.537 {\an1}it can be very disheartening but equally exciting 1495 01:19:52.621 --> 01:19:54.831 {\an1}because it allows you to question everything. 1496 01:19:55.832 --> 01:19:58.376 {\an1}So how are you? How was this tour for you? 1497 01:19:58.460 --> 01:20:02.339 {\an1}The most intense thing probably in my entire life. 1498 01:20:02.422 --> 01:20:03.380 {\an1}Really? 1499 01:20:03.465 --> 01:20:05.175 {\an1}TAYLOR: We toured hard. 1500 01:20:05.258 --> 01:20:09.346 {\an1}Eighteen months of hard-core touring. 1501 01:20:09.429 --> 01:20:12.349 {\an1}I mean, it was literally 18 months of just fucking, 1502 01:20:12.432 --> 01:20:13.767 {\an1}"Where are we?" 1503 01:20:13.850 --> 01:20:16.269 {\an1}"Here's your hotel key." (SCOFFS) 1504 01:20:18.271 --> 01:20:20.148 {\an1}ALANIS: My work addiction wasn't really addressed. 1505 01:20:20.232 --> 01:20:22.359 {\an1}I didn't even know there was such thing. 1506 01:20:22.442 --> 01:20:24.611 {\an1}If we say we work till 5:00 in the morning, 1507 01:20:24.693 --> 01:20:26.029 {\an1}someone would go, "Oh, that's great." 1508 01:20:26.112 --> 01:20:27.364 {\an1}"You must have gotten so much done," you know? 1509 01:20:27.447 --> 01:20:30.032 {\an1}But if I said I did heroin till 5:00 in the morning, 1510 01:20:30.116 --> 01:20:32.369 {\an1}people would be concerned, understandably. 1511 01:20:34.162 --> 01:20:38.458 {\an1}TAYLOR: Life changing, good or bad, is still traumatic. 1512 01:20:39.501 --> 01:20:44.047 {\an1}And all of our lives changed on that tour. 1513 01:20:46.675 --> 01:20:48.844 {\an1}CHRIS: Thank God our last show's in Hawaii. 1514 01:20:48.927 --> 01:20:51.596 {\an1}What a beautiful place to finish it out. 1515 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:53.932 {\an1}ALANIS: Yeah, in Hawaii, I just thought, "Oh my God... 1516 01:20:55.016 --> 01:20:57.018 {\an1}this is over for now," you know? 1517 01:20:58.019 --> 01:21:00.230 {\an1}And I hadn't lived anywhere. 1518 01:21:00.313 --> 01:21:02.273 {\an1}I didn't have a home for the whole tour. 1519 01:21:02.357 --> 01:21:05.986 {\an1}And, you know, friendship-wise, it was a very tenuous time 1520 01:21:06.068 --> 01:21:09.489 {\an1}in terms of, who do I trust? Who's a real friend? 1521 01:21:09.573 --> 01:21:11.407 {\an1}Who's here for opportunistic reasons? 1522 01:21:11.491 --> 01:21:13.827 {\an1}Who's here for exploitation reasons? 1523 01:21:13.910 --> 01:21:16.454 {\an1}Who's here because they actually love me? 1524 01:21:17.664 --> 01:21:18.707 {\an1}You know? 1525 01:21:18.790 --> 01:21:23.335 {\an1}♪ (ROCK MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1526 01:21:31.261 --> 01:21:34.598 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1527 01:21:55.911 --> 01:21:58.455 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1528 01:21:58.538 --> 01:22:00.332 {\an1}Thank you very much, everyone. 1529 01:22:00.415 --> 01:22:02.291 {\an1}Thank you so much, it's been great. 1530 01:22:03.209 --> 01:22:04.335 {\an1}Bye. 1531 01:22:09.424 --> 01:22:11.635 {\an1}TAYLOR: We finished that last show in Hawaii. 1532 01:22:12.969 --> 01:22:14.679 {\an1}Yeah, I wasn't sure what was gonna happen. 1533 01:22:18.642 --> 01:22:20.977 {\an1}ALANIS: What are you gonna do when you're done for a while? 1534 01:22:22.437 --> 01:22:24.773 {\an1}TAYLOR: (SHARP EXHALE) God, I don't know. 1535 01:22:24.856 --> 01:22:26.775 {\an1}-Go crazy for a little while. -ALANIS: Yeah? 1536 01:22:26.858 --> 01:22:29.903 {\an1}You know, just play drums, surf. 1537 01:22:29.986 --> 01:22:30.987 {\an1}Surf? 1538 01:22:31.071 --> 01:22:32.489 {\an1}TAYLOR: And that's when I heard on the radio 1539 01:22:32.572 --> 01:22:34.491 {\an1}that Foo Fighters were looking for a drummer. 1540 01:22:34.574 --> 01:22:38.286 {\an1}And I knew I'd better figure out my next move. 1541 01:22:39.245 --> 01:22:41.081 {\an1}(BOTH CHUCKLE) 1542 01:22:41.164 --> 01:22:42.832 {\an1}-Okay, we won't use that. -Okay. 1543 01:22:42.916 --> 01:22:45.085 {\an1}TAYLOR: I went on to join the Foo Fighters. 1544 01:22:46.335 --> 01:22:51.341 {\an1}I remember calling her, and she cried. And I felt... 1545 01:22:53.093 --> 01:22:55.261 {\an1}Like I was leaving her, you know? 1546 01:22:56.179 --> 01:22:58.431 {\an1}But I also knew she didn't need me. 1547 01:23:00.058 --> 01:23:02.727 {\an1}It was definitely kind of a "breaking up of a family" 1548 01:23:02.811 --> 01:23:05.730 {\an1}sort of thing. After 18 months of that, 1549 01:23:05.814 --> 01:23:08.858 {\an1}I think that was hurtful to her. 1550 01:23:08.942 --> 01:23:11.277 {\an1}And I think she felt a little bit like I, 1551 01:23:11.361 --> 01:23:12.404 {\an1}you know, betrayed her. 1552 01:23:12.487 --> 01:23:14.072 {\an1}Okay, Taylor. 1553 01:23:14.155 --> 01:23:17.157 {\an1}-Simple messages. Little things. -All right. 1554 01:23:17.242 --> 01:23:19.869 {\an1}I was full devastated. 1555 01:23:19.952 --> 01:23:22.038 {\an1}You know, you spend time with these people, 1556 01:23:22.121 --> 01:23:25.166 {\an1}and you witness each other in these contexts 1557 01:23:25.250 --> 01:23:26.710 {\an1}that are really unusual, 1558 01:23:26.793 --> 01:23:30.004 {\an1}and then you go your separate ways. 1559 01:23:30.088 --> 01:23:31.339 {\an1}And it's almost like... 1560 01:23:32.340 --> 01:23:36.219 {\an1}their view of what had happened 1561 01:23:36.678 --> 01:23:38.930 {\an1}goes with them. 1562 01:23:39.013 --> 01:23:42.934 {\an1}And so it's almost like certain chapters and eras disappear 1563 01:23:43.018 --> 01:23:44.936 {\an1}when the witnesses disappear. 1564 01:23:45.019 --> 01:23:50.233 {\an1}♪ ("MARY JANE" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 1565 01:23:51.526 --> 01:23:54.737 {\an1}♪ What's the matter Mary Jane? ♪ 1566 01:23:54.821 --> 01:23:58.532 {\an1}♪ Had a hard day? ♪ 1567 01:23:58.616 --> 01:24:04.371 {\an1}♪ As you place the don't disturb sign on the door ♪ 1568 01:24:06.875 --> 01:24:10.503 {\an1}♪ You lost your place in line again ♪ 1569 01:24:10.587 --> 01:24:14.799 {\an1}♪ What a pity ♪ 1570 01:24:14.883 --> 01:24:19.971 {\an1}♪ You never seem to want to dance anymore ♪ 1571 01:24:22.348 --> 01:24:29.189 {\an1}♪ It's a long way down ♪ 1572 01:24:30.356 --> 01:24:37.405 {\an1}♪ On this rollercoaster ♪ 1573 01:24:38.948 --> 01:24:43.036 {\an1}♪ The last chance ♪ 1574 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:46.831 {\an1}♪ Streetcar ♪ 1575 01:24:46.915 --> 01:24:49.166 {\an1}♪ Went off the track ♪ 1576 01:24:50.627 --> 01:24:52.378 {\an1}♪ And you're on it ♪ 1577 01:24:56.257 --> 01:24:59.928 {\an1}This is the most peaceful I've ever been in my whole life. 1578 01:25:00.011 --> 01:25:04.224 {\an1}With what this last year and a half has given me, 1579 01:25:04.307 --> 01:25:06.643 {\an1}you'd think that I wouldn't be peaceful right now. 1580 01:25:06.726 --> 01:25:09.687 {\an1}But I think it's forced me to go 1581 01:25:09.771 --> 01:25:12.357 {\an1}either to a peaceful place or a crazy place. 1582 01:25:13.483 --> 01:25:18.487 {\an1}♪ (VOCALIZING) ♪ 1583 01:25:27.914 --> 01:25:34.921 {\an1}♪ You're the sweet crusader ♪ 1584 01:25:35.964 --> 01:25:42.512 {\an1}♪ And you're on your way ♪ 1585 01:25:44.597 --> 01:25:49.227 {\an1}♪ You're last great ♪ 1586 01:25:49.309 --> 01:25:53.064 {\an1}♪ Innocent ♪ 1587 01:25:53.147 --> 01:25:58.903 {\an1}♪ And that's why I love you ♪ 1588 01:26:03.867 --> 01:26:08.871 {\an1}(CROWD CHEERS) 1589 01:26:14.710 --> 01:26:19.257 {\an1}I'm really happy right now, happy for my own reasons. 1590 01:26:19.340 --> 01:26:21.968 {\an1}Not happy because I've sold millions of records, 1591 01:26:22.050 --> 01:26:23.803 {\an1}not happy because-- 1592 01:26:23.887 --> 01:26:26.806 {\an1}Not happy because I am playing stadiums, 1593 01:26:26.889 --> 01:26:29.559 {\an1}not happy because I'm touring the world necessarily, 1594 01:26:29.642 --> 01:26:33.271 {\an1}not happy because I'm "winning awards", quote, unquote. 1595 01:26:33.353 --> 01:26:35.523 {\an1}But I'm happy because I've finally reached a place 1596 01:26:35.607 --> 01:26:36.983 {\an1}where I can create what I want 1597 01:26:37.066 --> 01:26:39.861 {\an1}and where I don't have to worry about putting food on my plate. 1598 01:26:42.362 --> 01:26:47.827 {\an1}LORRAINE: For an artist who comes into it as themselves, 1599 01:26:47.911 --> 01:26:50.371 {\an1}with messy hair, 1600 01:26:50.455 --> 01:26:51.748 {\an1}with the clothes from their closet 1601 01:26:51.831 --> 01:26:54.918 {\an1}rather than what the record company dressed them in, 1602 01:26:55.001 --> 01:27:00.632 {\an1}somebody whose image wasn't concocted and fabricated, 1603 01:27:00.715 --> 01:27:04.636 {\an1}it's pretty phenomenal that she broke through as big as she did 1604 01:27:04.719 --> 01:27:07.472 {\an1}and has had the longevity that she has had, 1605 01:27:07.555 --> 01:27:09.307 {\an1}because none of that should have ever happened 1606 01:27:09.389 --> 01:27:12.936 {\an1}if you went along with what the rules are 1607 01:27:13.019 --> 01:27:14.938 {\an1}in rock and pop fame. 1608 01:27:15.021 --> 01:27:17.106 {\an1}But nobody told her that, apparently. 1609 01:27:18.441 --> 01:27:20.610 {\an1}Alanis opened a bunch of different doors 1610 01:27:20.693 --> 01:27:22.654 {\an1}for artists that came after her. 1611 01:27:24.322 --> 01:27:29.202 {\an1}She inspired a generation 1612 01:27:29.285 --> 01:27:33.706 {\an1}of confessional female singer-songwriters. 1613 01:27:33.790 --> 01:27:35.791 {\an1}♪ And I'm here ♪ 1614 01:27:35.875 --> 01:27:38.962 {\an1}♪ To remind you ♪ 1615 01:27:39.045 --> 01:27:42.590 {\an1}SHIRLEY: Only in hindsight am I aware of what Alanis did 1616 01:27:42.674 --> 01:27:45.343 {\an1}for every woman that's come up behind her. 1617 01:27:45.425 --> 01:27:47.594 {\an1}♪ To deny me ♪ 1618 01:27:47.679 --> 01:27:50.181 {\an1}♪ Of the cross you bear ♪ 1619 01:27:50.264 --> 01:27:53.893 {\an1}SHIRLEY: When you're battering down 30 million doors, 1620 01:27:53.977 --> 01:27:57.814 {\an1}that's helping everyone. That's helping every woman 1621 01:27:57.897 --> 01:28:03.111 {\an1}have just that little more chance of being successful. 1622 01:28:05.530 --> 01:28:07.407 {\an1}LORRAINE: After Jagged Little Pill, 1623 01:28:07.490 --> 01:28:10.785 {\an1}her two next albums debuted at number one on Billboard. 1624 01:28:12.412 --> 01:28:14.956 {\an1}And even as music is changing, 1625 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:16.874 {\an1}even as, you know, the names of the artists 1626 01:28:16.958 --> 01:28:19.210 {\an1}at the top of those charts are changing, 1627 01:28:19.293 --> 01:28:22.547 {\an1}she's dropping in at the top. 1628 01:28:22.630 --> 01:28:26.884 {\an1}From Jagged Little Pill all the way up to Broadway, 1629 01:28:26.968 --> 01:28:30.096 {\an1}what is the core thing that pulled her through 1630 01:28:30.179 --> 01:28:31.806 {\an1}and kept her sane 1631 01:28:31.889 --> 01:28:33.391 {\an1}and made it so she didn't implode 1632 01:28:33.474 --> 01:28:35.559 {\an1}like a billion other artists was the music. 1633 01:28:37.395 --> 01:28:39.981 {\an1}JOHANNA: To get shot out of a fame rocket, 1634 01:28:40.064 --> 01:28:43.568 {\an1}it's a very isolating experience. 1635 01:28:43.651 --> 01:28:47.487 {\an1}I'm so thankful that she survived it... 1636 01:28:48.740 --> 01:28:50.157 {\an1}that she is surviving it, 1637 01:28:50.241 --> 01:28:52.869 {\an1}because, you know, it's a one-way street. 1638 01:28:52.952 --> 01:28:56.205 {\an1}And that she just has done it with such grace 1639 01:28:56.289 --> 01:28:58.666 {\an1}and constant self-preservation. 1640 01:29:00.585 --> 01:29:01.960 {\an1}I take it really seriously. 1641 01:29:02.045 --> 01:29:06.883 {\an1}I take my healing and recovery work really, really seriously. 1642 01:29:06.966 --> 01:29:10.928 {\an1}And I've done a lot of therapy, copious amounts of therapy. 1643 01:29:12.055 --> 01:29:13.889 {\an1}I feel very open. 1644 01:29:13.973 --> 01:29:17.101 {\an1}I feel like the future is limitless. 1645 01:29:17.184 --> 01:29:18.770 {\an1}All of this has just begun. 1646 01:29:18.853 --> 01:29:21.898 {\an1}All of this exploration has just begun. 1647 01:29:23.566 --> 01:29:26.861 {\an1}I knew pretty intuitively that there was no way to re-create 1648 01:29:26.943 --> 01:29:30.740 {\an1}something that ineffable and magical. 1649 01:29:31.949 --> 01:29:34.410 {\an1}And I thought the idea of chasing some kind 1650 01:29:34.494 --> 01:29:36.913 {\an1}of repetition was ridiculous. 1651 01:29:36.996 --> 01:29:40.958 {\an1}But I also trusted the ebbs and flows 1652 01:29:41.041 --> 01:29:43.669 {\an1}of fame, under a rock, fame, under a rock, 1653 01:29:43.753 --> 01:29:47.548 {\an1}fame, loved, hated, hated, hated, loved, loved, 1654 01:29:47.632 --> 01:29:48.758 {\an1}fame, under the rock. 1655 01:29:48.841 --> 01:29:51.385 {\an1}I mean, that's just how my whole life has been 1656 01:29:51.886 --> 01:29:53.054 {\an1}to this day. 1657 01:29:53.137 --> 01:29:56.808 {\an1}You know, I'm either super public, or I'm in my sweatpants, 1658 01:29:56.891 --> 01:29:59.227 {\an1}writing, creating, generating, 1659 01:29:59.309 --> 01:30:02.146 {\an1}stepping out, public, and then hiding again. 1660 01:30:02.230 --> 01:30:04.357 {\an1}I mean, that's just how it is. 1661 01:30:04.440 --> 01:30:05.817 {\an1}That's how I survive it. 1662 01:30:05.900 --> 01:30:07.276 {\an1}(WATER BUBBLING) 1663 01:30:42.186 --> 01:30:43.312 {\an1}MALE VOICE: Work it. 1664 01:30:51.654 --> 01:30:52.612 {\an1}Yeah. 1665 01:30:52.697 --> 01:30:54.240 {\an1}All right, I'm gonna see what I can get done. 1666 01:30:54.323 --> 01:30:56.325 {\an1}I got a bunch of stuff here, but-- 1667 01:30:56.409 --> 01:30:58.161 {\an1}No, and the thing is, is like... 1668 01:30:58.870 --> 01:31:00.746 {\an1}she could also sign them 1669 01:31:00.830 --> 01:31:02.832 {\an1}tomorrow, like, when you and I have 1670 01:31:02.915 --> 01:31:05.376 {\an1}our call with her at 3:00, you know what I mean? 1671 01:31:05.460 --> 01:31:07.753 {\an1}ALANIS: Hello, it smells good in here. 1672 01:31:08.212 --> 01:31:09.213 {\an1}Okay. 1673 01:31:09.964 --> 01:31:10.923 {\an1}ONYX: Hi, Mommy. 1674 01:31:11.007 --> 01:31:12.383 {\an1}-Hi, gorgeous. -What are you doing? 1675 01:31:12.466 --> 01:31:15.928 {\an1}I'm singing the song about you and Winter and Ever. 1676 01:31:16.012 --> 01:31:18.055 {\an1}Would you like to sit on a chair next to me, 1677 01:31:18.139 --> 01:31:19.599 {\an1}or would you like me to hold you? 1678 01:31:19.682 --> 01:31:22.393 {\an1}-I want you to hold me! -(TOY PIANO PLAYING) 1679 01:31:25.103 --> 01:31:26.105 {\an1}Ready? 1680 01:31:26.856 --> 01:31:28.316 {\an1}Ready, ready, ready, ready. 1681 01:31:28.398 --> 01:31:29.942 {\an1}(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1682 01:31:30.026 --> 01:31:31.360 {\an1}Why do we need that? 1683 01:31:31.443 --> 01:31:32.737 {\an1}'Cause if I go... (POPS) 1684 01:31:32.820 --> 01:31:35.865 {\an1}...and some spit goes on there, it sounds like "poof", 1685 01:31:35.948 --> 01:31:37.950 {\an1}as opposed to... (POPS) 1686 01:31:40.786 --> 01:31:42.621 {\an1}-WOMAN: Here we go. -Okay. 1687 01:31:42.705 --> 01:31:44.457 {\an1}JIMMY FALLON: Performing the song "Ablaze" 1688 01:31:44.540 --> 01:31:46.334 {\an1}from her first album in eight years, 1689 01:31:46.416 --> 01:31:49.003 {\an1}here's the one and only Alanis Morissette. 1690 01:31:50.671 --> 01:31:52.924 {\an1}The music's playing, Mommy. 1691 01:31:53.007 --> 01:31:54.634 {\an1}It is. It's an intro. 1692 01:31:54.717 --> 01:31:55.927 {\an1}Okay, then sing it. 1693 01:31:56.010 --> 01:31:57.887 {\an1}♪ First thing that you'll notice ♪ 1694 01:31:57.969 --> 01:32:01.098 {\an1}♪ Is some separation from each other ♪ 1695 01:32:01.182 --> 01:32:02.642 {\an1}♪ Yes, it's a lie ♪ 1696 01:32:02.725 --> 01:32:06.437 {\an1}♪ We've been believing since time immemorial ♪ 1697 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:09.482 {\an1}♪ There was an apple There was a snake ♪ 1698 01:32:09.565 --> 01:32:11.567 {\an1}♪ There was division ♪ 1699 01:32:11.651 --> 01:32:12.777 {\an1}♪ There was a split ♪ 1700 01:32:12.860 --> 01:32:16.614 {\an1}♪ There was a conflict in the fabric of life ♪ 1701 01:32:16.697 --> 01:32:18.782 {\an1}Sorry, but that's not the same time as... 1702 01:32:18.866 --> 01:32:19.951 {\an1}Okay, sorry. 1703 01:32:20.034 --> 01:32:21.744 {\an1}♪ To my boy ♪ 1704 01:32:21.827 --> 01:32:23.246 {\an1}♪ ("ABLAZE" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 1705 01:32:23.329 --> 01:32:25.039 {\an1}♪ All that energy, so vital ♪ 1706 01:32:25.121 --> 01:32:27.375 {\an1}♪ Love your hues ♪ 1707 01:32:27.458 --> 01:32:30.585 {\an1}♪ And your blues in equal measure ♪ 1708 01:32:30.670 --> 01:32:35.549 {\an1}♪ Your comings And your goings-away ♪ 1709 01:32:35.633 --> 01:32:42.431 {\an1}♪ My mission is to keep the light in your eyes ablaze ♪ 1710 01:32:42.514 --> 01:32:44.267 {\an1}-Hi, Mom. -Hi, baby. 1711 01:32:44.350 --> 01:32:46.434 {\an1}I really like that, and that. 1712 01:32:46.519 --> 01:32:48.145 {\an1}♪ To my girl ♪ 1713 01:32:49.063 --> 01:32:51.523 {\an1}♪ All your innocence and fire ♪ 1714 01:32:51.607 --> 01:32:53.943 {\an1}♪ When you reach out ♪ 1715 01:32:54.026 --> 01:32:57.154 {\an1}♪ I am here hell or high water ♪ 1716 01:32:57.237 --> 01:33:00.449 {\an1}♪ This nest is never going away ♪ 1717 01:33:00.532 --> 01:33:02.451 {\an1}-Did you say "nest"? -Nest. 1718 01:33:02.535 --> 01:33:03.661 {\an1}My mission is to keep... 1719 01:33:03.744 --> 01:33:06.289 {\an1}-Well, why did you say "nest"? -'Cause it's a nest. 1720 01:33:06.371 --> 01:33:07.540 {\an1}Oh. 1721 01:33:07.623 --> 01:33:09.625 {\an1}♪ Ablaze ♪ 1722 01:33:11.669 --> 01:33:14.088 {\an1}So, are you gonna sing soon? 1723 01:33:14.171 --> 01:33:16.841 {\an1}-Sure. -Okay. 1724 01:33:35.401 --> 01:33:36.402 {\an1}Five one way, five the other way. 1725 01:33:36.485 --> 01:33:37.903 {\an1}-Five one way. -The whole stack? 1726 01:33:37.987 --> 01:33:39.155 {\an1}And then while she's doing the stack, 1727 01:33:39.237 --> 01:33:40.698 {\an1}you can make the next stack... 1728 01:33:41.365 --> 01:33:42.657 {\an1}-Tidy. -Homogenous. 1729 01:33:42.742 --> 01:33:44.577 {\an1}-Facing the same way. -Okay. 1730 01:33:45.619 --> 01:33:46.787 {\an1}There's one. 1731 01:33:48.706 --> 01:33:50.958 {\an1}MAN: This is huge to have... 1732 01:33:51.041 --> 01:33:52.585 {\an1}-Huge. -MAN: Manpower. 1733 01:33:54.462 --> 01:33:55.546 {\an1}That one's good. 1734 01:33:55.629 --> 01:33:58.174 {\an1}I love these signatures. It's like, every time-- 1735 01:33:58.257 --> 01:33:59.508 {\an1}ALANIS: You're the only one, believe me. 1736 01:33:59.592 --> 01:34:01.469 {\an1}-People are like, "Oh." -MAN: Yeah. 1737 01:34:01.552 --> 01:34:03.262 {\an1}ALANIS: I'm like, "What?" 1738 01:34:03.346 --> 01:34:05.014 {\an1}-They're like, "Oh." -MAN: All right, you want-- 1739 01:34:05.097 --> 01:34:06.932 {\an1}Fine, you want a nice, neat fake-ass one? 1740 01:34:07.016 --> 01:34:08.726 {\an1}ALANIS: You want me to just print it? 1741 01:34:08.809 --> 01:34:09.809 {\an1}MAN: Yeah. 1742 01:34:10.811 --> 01:34:12.563 {\an1}ALANIS: Strangely satisfying. 1743 01:34:18.318 --> 01:34:19.695 {\an1}When I hear Jagged Little Pill, 1744 01:34:19.779 --> 01:34:21.237 {\an1}whether it's through the beautiful voices 1745 01:34:21.322 --> 01:34:23.157 {\an1}of the Jagged Little Pill musical, 1746 01:34:23.240 --> 01:34:25.368 {\an1}or whether it's while I'm singing it, 1747 01:34:25.451 --> 01:34:27.119 {\an1}or hearing it on the radio... 1748 01:34:28.954 --> 01:34:30.623 {\an1}There's a kindness. 1749 01:34:31.957 --> 01:34:34.335 {\an1}It's like this velvet kindness. 1750 01:34:34.418 --> 01:34:37.088 {\an1}No matter how pissed off she is... 1751 01:34:37.171 --> 01:34:40.341 {\an1}It's like there's mercy in it. 1752 01:34:40.424 --> 01:34:41.925 {\an1}There's empathy in it. 1753 01:34:42.009 --> 01:34:45.763 {\an1}There's hope, even when the song is hopeless. 1754 01:34:45.846 --> 01:34:47.639 {\an1}There's a little dreg of... 1755 01:34:49.850 --> 01:34:54.146 {\an1}Of "everything's gonna be okay, no matter how horrible it gets." 1756 01:34:57.066 --> 01:35:02.237 {\an1}♪ ("HEAD OVER FEET" BY ALANIS MORISSETTE PLAYS) ♪ 1757 01:35:14.875 --> 01:35:17.962 {\an1}♪ I couldn't help it ♪ 1758 01:35:18.045 --> 01:35:20.130 {\an1}♪ It's all your fault ♪ 1759 01:35:20.214 --> 01:35:23.800 {\an1}♪ You've already won me over ♪ 1760 01:35:23.884 --> 01:35:25.803 {\an1}♪ In spite of me ♪ 1761 01:35:25.886 --> 01:35:29.764 {\an1}♪ Don't be alarmed if I fall ♪ 1762 01:35:29.849 --> 01:35:31.642 {\an1}♪ Head over feet ♪ 1763 01:35:31.725 --> 01:35:35.563 {\an1}♪ And don't be surprised if I love you ♪ 1764 01:35:35.646 --> 01:35:38.607 {\an1}♪ For all that you are ♪ 1765 01:35:38.691 --> 01:35:41.777 {\an1}♪ I couldn't help it ♪ 1766 01:35:41.861 --> 01:35:44.321 {\an1}♪ It's all your fault ♪ 1767 01:35:45.364 --> 01:35:48.784 {\an1}♪ Your love is thick ♪ 1768 01:35:48.868 --> 01:35:51.412 {\an1}♪ And it swallowed me whole ♪ 1769 01:35:51.495 --> 01:35:54.832 {\an1}♪ You're so much braver ♪ 1770 01:35:54.915 --> 01:35:57.334 {\an1}♪ Than I gave you credit for ♪ 1771 01:35:57.418 --> 01:36:01.547 {\an1}♪ That's not lip service ♪ 1772 01:36:01.630 --> 01:36:05.675 {\an1}♪ You've already won me over ♪ 1773 01:36:05.759 --> 01:36:07.719 {\an1}♪ In spite of me ♪ 1774 01:36:07.803 --> 01:36:11.639 {\an1}♪ And don't be alarmed if I fall ♪ 1775 01:36:11.724 --> 01:36:13.517 {\an1}♪ Head over feet ♪ 1776 01:36:13.601 --> 01:36:17.605 {\an1}♪ And don't be surprised if I love you ♪ 1777 01:36:17.688 --> 01:36:20.523 {\an1}♪ For all that you are ♪ 1778 01:36:20.608 --> 01:36:23.652 {\an1}♪ I couldn't help it ♪ 1779 01:36:23.736 --> 01:36:26.155 {\an1}♪ It's all your fault ♪ 1780 01:36:27.281 --> 01:36:30.784 {\an1}♪ You are the bearer ♪ 1781 01:36:30.868 --> 01:36:33.454 {\an1}♪ Of unconditional things ♪ 1782 01:36:33.537 --> 01:36:36.832 {\an1}♪ You held your breath ♪ 1783 01:36:36.916 --> 01:36:39.043 {\an1}♪ And the door for me ♪ 1784 01:36:39.126 --> 01:36:43.088 {\an1}♪ Thanks for your patience ♪