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[distant siren wailing]

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[fly buzzing]

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There is a fly in here,
so I just want to get it, sorry,

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because it keeps coming
and I'm, like, trying to ignore it, but…

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[Joan Collins] That's very strange
you would say that.

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[fly continues buzzing]

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There's a very interesting thing
that happened shortly after Jackie died.

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There was this little, tiny fruit fly
that was always in front of me.

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It would be here,
I would go to the Polo Lounge

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in the Beverly Hills Hotel,
it would be there.

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I'd go to the south of France and
be sitting there and it would be there.

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And I said, "Well, this is Jackie coming
to say that she's still there."

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[Jennifer] Yes, we've all heard the story.

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[fly buzzing]

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-I guess Jackie came back as a fly.
-[buzzing stops]

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[sighs]

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-Joan.
-[soft music playing]

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[projector whirring]

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{\an8}[Tracy Lerman] <i>I sort of knew</i>
<i>it was a different upbringing.</i>

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{\an8}[Tiffany Lerman]
<i>Parenting wasn't really a verb…</i>

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{\an8}[chuckling]
<i>…back in the '70s and '80s.</i>

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{\an8}[Tracy] <i>I didn't really understand</i>
<i>what it was she was doing.</i>

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{\an8}<i>All I knew was that mommy was on TV a lot.</i>

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[Rory Green] <i>There were definitely</i>
<i>two sides. There was Mom…</i>

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{\an8}-We're going to the <i>Walden</i> show.
-[man] The <i>Walden</i> show.

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{\an8}-Bye-bye.
-[Rory] <i>…and there was Jackie Collins.</i>

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-Jackie Collins.
-[audience cheering, applauding]

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[Morton Janklow] There are people
who are wonderful writers.

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{\an8}By that I mean people who use
the language beautifully and elegantly.

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Which was almost
the direct opposite of Jackie.

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Is it exhausting…

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-What?
-…doing research for your books?

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-No. [laughs]
-[crowd laughing]

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[Morton] It was one of the reasons
she was so successful…

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because she could go out there and promote
those books and not be embarrassed.

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[soft music playing]

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[woman]
<i>Obviously she writes a lot about sex.</i>

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[woman] <i>She's putting female</i>
<i>sexuality at the center of the world</i>

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<i>and people lost their minds.</i>

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[Terry Wogan] Some of the
sexual gymnastics, quite frankly…

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[crowd laughing]

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…give middle aged men
like me a terrific inferiority complex.

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[woman]<i> She changed</i>
<i>the way women got to have sex.</i>

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<i>Women got to be selfish</i>
<i>in bed thanks to Jackie Collins.</i>

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My final guest, the world's most
prolific writer of romantic fiction.

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-Barbara Cartland.
-[audience applauding]

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[Barbara] We've got to go back
to the family to save the world,

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I mean, look at the mess it's in.

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-It's evil really.
-[Jackie] What?

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[stutters] The books
that you write, quite frankly.

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-[audience laughing]
-[gasps]

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[audience applauding]

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[stutters] I think there's a place
for everybody,

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I think there's a place
for Barbara's books

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and there’s a place for my books.

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And I would never criticize Barbara
and say they all have to be like yours,

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because wouldn't life be dull

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-if we all had to do the same thing?
-No, no. I didn't say that either.

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-[all laughing]
-My guests, thank you.

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[audience applauding]

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[Morton] It's always the same
essential story dressed up differently.

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It is about a woman
facing disaster at the beginning.

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And no matter
how downbeat and downtrodden

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she outsmarts all the tough guys and wins.

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Girls when they leave school,

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should be taught
that in life they can do anything.

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I really have this strong belief
that women can do anything.

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"Girls can do anything,"
that was her motto.

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-Girls can do anything.
-Girls can do anything.

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-Girls can do anything.
-Women can do anything.

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As much as she was saying
that to everybody else,

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she was consistently saying it to herself.

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[dramatic music playing]

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[Tita Cahn] That is what is so
extraordinary about this tale.

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What she wrote and who she was
are two different things.

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[man] <i>She's one of the most successful</i>
<i>authors in publishing history…</i>

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[woman] <i>The excess, the glitz.</i>
<i>The unashamed embrace of power.</i>

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[newsreader] <i>Jackie Collins has sold</i>
<i>over 500 million books worldwide.</i>

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<i>She's got 29…</i>

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[woman] <i>Jackie's novels really helped</i>
<i>to create the ethos of the 80s.</i>

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[presenter] <i>Without any doubt, one of</i>
<i>the best-selling authors in the world.</i>

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[Tracy] <i>That kind of became who she was.</i>

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[presenter] <i>The most highly paid author</i>
<i>in the United Kingdom.</i>

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[dramatic music playing]

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[woman] Girl, woman, she,
it's another word for a chick.

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-Lady…
-[woman 2] Second word.

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-The…
-Count five.

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[woman 2] Tray. Boss.

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[clapperboard clacks]

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{\an8}Well, hi, I'm so glad to meet you and I…

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{\an8}I think it's very exciting
that you came in from London,

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and that you're doing really
a record of Jackie Collins.

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[waves lapping]

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[mellow music playing]

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[Jackie] <i>"The raft lay ahead,</i>
<i>empty and inviting."</i>

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{\an8}<i>"What must it be like to be shipwrecked,</i>
<i>cut off, alone in the world?"</i>

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{\an8}<i>"She often felt alone in the world."</i>

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<i>"She swam rapidly toward the raft…</i>

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<i>without another thought,</i>
<i>he stripped off his shirt</i>

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<i>and plunged into the sea after her."</i>

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<i>"Don't talk."</i>

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<i>"'Don't spoil it,' she willed Lennie."</i>

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<i>"Salty flesh crushed against salty flesh."</i>

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<i>"He pressed his hands</i>
<i>into the small of her back</i>

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<i>and let her feel his hardness."</i>

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<i>"She didn't draw away,</i>
<i>but moved her hips slowly suggestively."</i>

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<i>"He entered her smoothly</i>
<i>and she wrapped her long legs tightly</i>

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<i>around his waist and moved with him</i>

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<i>as if they had been together</i>
<i>many times before."</i>

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<i>"And then, she was lost in sensation,</i>
<i>floating in paradise."</i>

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<i>"Taken over by a throbbing release</i>
<i>which sent her into spasms of delight."</i>

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<i>"He stared into her eyes,</i>
<i>so deep and full of secrets."</i>

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<i>"Who was she?"</i>

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[music intensifies]

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[Tracy] She was very private.

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{\an8}That's a huge persona
that she'd go on interviews,

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{\an8}she would present in the same way.
She was very warm, very affectionate.

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But she gave very,
very little away about herself.

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{\an8}I think people devolved a very natural
interest in who is she and what--

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{\an8}How she'd come to be this person.

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And that story was never told by her.

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{\an8}[Rory] It turned out
that she really was her own archiver.

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{\an8}I mean, she had hung on to sort of every
element of her entire life and career.

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Almost every single letter
that she'd ever received.

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[Tiffany] Correspondence,
letters with her and Joan, diaries.

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{\an8}She kept it obviously for a reason,
I mean, it's incredible,

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{\an8}but there's a reason
why she kept it all, it's her whole life.

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[Tracy] <i>Had she lived longer,</i>
<i>she may well had written</i>

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<i>that whole story that she had inside her…</i>

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<i>you know, waiting to tell.</i>

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[interviewer] It seems to me
that Jackie had different personas.

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{\an8}She did.

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{\an8}[interviewer] Can you tell me
a bit about that?

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{\an8}Well, I think Jackie suffered for a while

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of the baby sister syndrome.

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-[dramatic music playing]
-You must give the order, your majesty.

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The order is given.

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{\an8}[Tita] <i>Joan was extremely beautiful.</i>

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{\an8}[newsreader] <i>Joan Collins arrives</i>
<i>at London airport from America.</i>

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{\an8}<i>This young star has been described</i>
<i>by a Hollywood chief</i>

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<i>as the greatest screen asset America</i>
<i>has imported from Britain.</i>

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[Tita] And I mean a natural beauty
with flawless skin and high cheek bones.

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She was very beautiful.

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And then, there was the baby sister…

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who was very beautiful on the inside.

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-[interviewer] Yeah.
-If you know what I mean.

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{\an8}Okay. Uh…

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{\an8}And who are you? [chuckles]

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-[man] I'm the AC guy.
-Oh, hi.

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-[man] Hi.
-Hi.

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-Part of the video.
-Okay.

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[Joan] When I starred in movies,

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{\an8}she cut out every single thing
that was in the papers,

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{\an8}pasted them in scrapbooks
and wrote underneath it,

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<i>"Wolverhampton Echo,</i>
January, da, da, da."

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She was the younger sister.

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It's like a marriage, you know.

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It doesn't all go along just perfectly
wonderfully all the time.

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She was always scribbling away.

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I never really asked what she was writing,
but she was certainly writing.

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{\an8}[narrator] <i>"1953, 14th of May."</i>

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<i>"Went to a party with Joan."</i>

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<i>"It was fun, but I get an awful</i>
<i>inferiority complex when I'm with Joan."</i>

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<i>"I feel all big and clumsy and dull."</i>

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<i>"And Joan says everyone says I copy her."</i>

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{\an8}[Joan]<i> I knew that she was thinking</i>
<i>about becoming an actress</i>

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{\an8}<i>and I gave her some advice, I said</i>
<i>she should try and get into R.A.D.A.</i>

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<i>And she said, "Don't worry about me,</i>
<i>I'm going to be fine."</i>

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[narrator] <i>"Please God,</i>
<i>let me get into R.A.D.A."</i>

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<i>"Rehearsed most of the day</i>
<i>until five when the show began."</i>

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<i>"Joan told me I was very good…</i>

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<i>and not at all awkward</i>
<i>as she had expected."</i>

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[Joan] She was very shy at first,
but she realized at an early age

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that she had a fantastic figure
and the boys liked her.

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And I think it was a great--
They were great toys.

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-[upbeat music playing]
-We lived in the basement,

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{\an8}very handy so you could just
open the window and climb out.

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{\an8}Um, I don't think
she ever made it to school. [chuckles]

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[narrator] <i>"Fourth of August,</i>
<i>got train to meet Bob."</i>

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<i>"We drove around, necked a bit."</i>

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<i>"We took it in turns to lick a lollipop."</i>

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<i>"Thirteenth of October.</i>
<i>Henry and me necked on the bed."</i>

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<i>"We went to Hyde Park, it was raining.</i>
<i>He kissed me and said he loved me."</i>

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<i>"First of March.</i>
<i>Noel kissed me madly on both cheeks."</i>

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<i>"Joan says Noel just wants to get banged."</i>

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<i>"Eleventh of May.</i>
<i>Henry, then up to some flat."</i>

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<i>"We started to neck and strip madly."</i>

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<i>"Twenty-eighth of October.</i>
<i>That French film actor Maurice, he is 30."</i>

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<i>"At three, we went to his flat</i>
<i>with some other people, it was crazy."</i>

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<i>"The parents found out all about Bob,</i>
<i>both absolutely furious."</i>

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<i>"Daddy shrieked</i>
<i>and shouted that I looked like a tart."</i>

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<i>"It makes me sick."</i>

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<i>"To make matters worse,</i>
<i>Joan is going to Hollywood on Thursday."</i>

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[Bill] <i>My father</i>
<i>was a show business agent.</i>

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<i>He was very proud of Joan…</i>

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<i>who then became</i>
<i>the importance in his life.</i>

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[Tracy] Mom would have looked
at her sister and thought,

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{\an8}"Wow, look at the attention
that she can get from just being

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{\an8}as beautiful as she is,
and Joan would win these

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{\an8}sort of most beautiful
young actress in Great Britain.

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{\an8}Meanwhile, Mom was told
all sorts of things by her father.

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{\an8}That she wasn't beautiful enough,
not slim enough,

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{\an8}that girls should know their place.

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{\an8}I don't think that ever left her.

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[soft music playing]

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[interviewer] <i>And what</i>
<i>was your father like in those days?</i>

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[Joan] Remote, strict…

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and being an agent.

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Charming, everybody loved Joe Collins.
I mean, he could turn on the charm.

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And so could my mother,
my mother was adorable.

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{\an8}Sweet, loving,
the definitive 1950s housewife.

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{\an8}[Bill] "My mom, Elsa,
was a quiet and gentle blonde beauty."

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{\an8}"Men lusted after her,
while women lusted after Joe."

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{\an8}"So I guess they were even,
except Elsa never did anything about it,

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although I am certain Joe did."

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"A philanderer for sure."

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[dramatic music plays]

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[narrator] <i>"My father was a screamer."</i>

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<i>"If it could be said he would yell it."</i>

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<i>"Once I watched him throw</i>
<i>a plate of food at my mother."</i>

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<i>"'This is my house,</i>
<i>you will obey my rules,</i>

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<i>you're old enough and ugly enough.'"</i>

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<i>"I am king!"</i>

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That's the truth, okay.

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[narrator] <i>"Nothingville."</i>

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<i>"What an awful day, felt awfully alone."</i>

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<i>"Had a row with Daddy."</i>

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<i>"I've come to the conclusion</i>
<i>that I like Mom better than Dad."</i>

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{\an8}<i>"Fourth of October."</i>

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{\an8}<i>"Sixteen at last."</i>

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<i>"I got an express letter from Joan</i>
<i>saying she wants me to go to Hollywood</i>

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<i>as soon as possible."</i>

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[jet engine roars]

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[car horn honks]

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{\an8}[Joan] Mid '50s Hollywood
was extremely glamorous.

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Marlon Brando and James Dean
and a whole bunch of other people.

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And so Jackie joined the set
and she was the little-- The kid.

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[jazz music playing]

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[narrator] <i>"First of July."</i>

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<i>"Went to a cocktail party</i>
<i>at Diana Dors, got very loaded."</i>

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<i>"Went to a party where I danced up a storm</i>
<i>to 'Voodoo Suite' by myself."</i>

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[Joan] We went to a lot
of nightclubs and danced like,

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you know, Mocambo and Ciro's,
and yes, I would take Jackie, uh,

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because there was always an extra man
hanging around and, um, she loved it.

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[narrator] <i>"Fifteenth of January."</i>

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<i>"Went to a cocktail party</i>
<i>at Judy Garland's."</i>

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<i>"Fourth of March."</i>

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<i>"Went with Joan to the Gene Kelly's,</i>
<i>we played ping-pong with Sid Chaplin"</i>

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{\an8}<i>"Met Bridgette Bardot,</i>
<i>a French film star, God, she's cute."</i>

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<i>"Marilyn Monroe, her walk could make</i>
<i>a revolving door look stationary."</i>

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<i>"Twelfth of January."</i>

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<i>"Saw the casting people</i>
<i>at 20th Century Fox with Joan."</i>

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[indistinct chatter]

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<i>"Joan is trying to get me in the picture."</i>

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<i>"Twenty-eighth of January."</i>

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<i>"Met Marlon Brando,</i>
<i>I spoke to him quite a lot."</i>

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<i>"He's only my height and kind of fat."</i>

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[Joan] Well, it's sort of folklore now.

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I was sitting at a dinner--
A party, one of those casual…

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It was always barbecues
and jeans and t-shirts and I was sitting

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with, um, Stewart Stern, who was
the writer of <i>Rebel Without a Cause</i>

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and, um, Paul Newman and, uh, Arthur Lowe.

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[narrator]<i> "Around 12,</i>
<i>Marlon Brando arrived,</i>

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<i>talked to him a while,</i>
<i>then went up to Arthur's room."</i>

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<i>"He called me sincere,</i>
<i>sweet and luscious."</i>

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He took her by the hand
and he took her upstairs.

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And I was saying, "Where are you going?"

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She said, "I'll be fine."

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Like… [scoffs] …"Get out of it."

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[jazz music playing]

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[narrator] <i>"Sixth of August."</i>

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<i>"Got a letter from Mommy</i>
<i>telling me to come home."</i>

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<i>"I cried and cried and cried."</i>

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[Joan] That's when I found out
that she was writing down a lot of things.

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And I remember
she was writing and she said,

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"One day I'm going
to write a book about all of this."

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And I said,
"Well, I think that's a great idea

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because you know
what Hollywood is really like."

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[presenter] <i>Her ninth book is currently</i>
<i>a major best-selling title</i>

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<i>on all the best seller charts.</i>

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Hollywood Wives<i> and truthfully her phone</i>

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<i>hasn't stopped ringing</i>
<i>with people wanting to know</i>

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<i>who is really supposed</i>
<i>to be who in the book.</i>

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<i>So would you welcome, please,</i>

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<i>the lady that's rocked Beverly Hills,</i>
<i>Jackie Collins! Yeah!</i>

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[audience applauding]

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I'm Morton Janklow, I'm a literary agent.

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{\an8}And I was a literary agent
for Jackie Collins for about 22 years.

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It was a very simple formula.

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She would observe things in life,
and then translate them into books.

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I could sometimes pick out
the characters in her books

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who were based on real life people.

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I think to be successful,
you have to write about what you know.

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And whether I'm lucky or unlucky enough
to know a lot about Hollywood,

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I think it's what I like to write about.

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And <i>Hollywood Wives</i> is fiction,

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but of course
it is based very much on facts.

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-Where were you?
-[man] Talk to my wife.

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What time do you call this?

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{\an8}[laughing]

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{\an8}[Jackie] Well, people loved that,
they'd go,

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{\an8}"Oh, I know who that character is."

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{\an8}"It's-- It's Clint Eastwood!"
And I'd go, "No."

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"Well, then it's Burt Reynolds!"

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And I'd go, "No,
you have to play the guessing game,

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that's the whole fun
of a Jackie Collins book."

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[man] Bye-bye.

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You know, they know that I'm not some
little old lady in, uh, Des Moines,

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writing about
the Hollywood that I think exists,

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-I'm actually out there…
-[host] Right. Right.

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…in Hollywood
doing a lot of research, um,

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forcing myself to go to parties
and watch the movie stars at play.

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[Morton] The success of <i>Hollywood Wives</i>
was so unexpectedly enormous.

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We were hoping for good sales,
but the sales were tremendous.

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She made a lot of money
and that really set her up.

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[Barbara] My husband, Marvin Davis,
was a very successful oil man.

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In 1981 or 82,
Marvin bought 20th Century Fox.

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It is really fun to have a studio.
It really is.

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Here is Prince Edward…

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{\an8}someone who
was the head of ABC at the time

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{\an8}and the queen.

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Jackie Collins.

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Actually, we entertained your queen

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on sound stage 9, Queen Elizabeth.

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[newsreader] <i>A dinner for 500 guests</i>
<i>at the studios of 20th Century Fox</i>

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<i>is the hottest ticket</i>
<i>in Tinsel Town for years.</i>

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[camera shutters clicking]

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I used to bring a baked potato
with me wherever I went,

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so that I had something plain on the side.

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I took out my little gold bag
and I put my baked potato on the plate.

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And she said…

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[imitating the Queen]
…"Oh, how wonderful, what a good idea."

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From the minute I met Jackie that night,
we were bonded, we were close.

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And she didn't do it
in a way that you would notice.

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Her notes were right up here.

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[soft music playing]

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{\an8}[Tita]<i> 90210 was a very close knit</i>

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<i>and small community.</i>

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[indistinct chatter]

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<i>We were in each other's lives</i>
<i>is all I can say.</i>

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None of us can be invited
to everything all the time.

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Cary Grant, Kirk Douglas, Gene Kelly,
Gregory Peck, Louise Jourdan.

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-[Jackie] And here we have Mr. Caine.
-What sort of a camera is that?

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[Tita] <i>The Caines,</i>
<i>the Moores and the Connerys too.</i>

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[Jackie] In the flesh.

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Jackie had an absolute gift
of taking notes

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and photographing us
without being intrusive.

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[Oprah] <i>Caller, your chance</i>
<i>to talk to Jackie, hi.</i>

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[caller] <i>All right, my question is,</i>

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<i>is her life as exciting</i>
<i>as the books that she writes?</i>

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[Oprah]
Is your life as exciting, that's good.

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Jackie, is your life as exciting?

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Yeah, I've got a pretty exciting life,
I think so.

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{\an8}She knew that I was gay,
and so of course her eyes lit up

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{\an8}when she found out
that I was a lesbian and that I…

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{\an8}She always wanted
to know about my personal life.

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-Was I in a relationship, was I dating?
-[Jackie] <i>"For Susan preferred women."</i>

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<i>"For the last three years</i>
<i>she'd been having a very satisfying affair</i>

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<i>with the producer's wife,</i>
<i>sexy copper-haired Paige Wheeler."</i>

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[Gina] I was in one relationship
where I had a girlfriend in Palm Springs,

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and I would come back and she would want
explicit details about what I had done.

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[Jackie] <i>"They were naked</i>
<i>and playing games."</i>

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Who I had seen, what did they look like.

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[Jackie] <i>"You show me yours,</i>
<i>I'll show you mine."</i>

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Um…

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She wanted sort of the outer layer,

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so that she could
create the inner details,

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was sort of the sense I got.

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Here we have the great
Mr. Jack Provano.

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[Melody Korenbrot]
When we first met Jackie,

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we got a phone call
from a New York publicist

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{\an8}who asked if we'd be interested
in this author named Jackie Collins.

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{\an8}We had no clue who she was,
we were movie publicists.

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[man] Where are you going, Melody?
Where are you?

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-I'm carrying-- Down here.
-[both laughing]

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-[man] Where are you going?
-Gonna carry her bags, as usual.

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[Melody] <i>In the '80s, she was one</i>
<i>of the few, there's a handful that wrote.</i>

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[Morton] I had Judy Clarence
and Barbara Taylor Bradford

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and Danielle Steel.

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But Jackie was the only one I knew

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who really notices
that it was dependent on her hard work.

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When she'd written a book,
she would attend marketing meetings.

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Most authors don't do that.
They hand in the book and then disappear.

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She was out front, she was there.

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[Oprah] You can ask a question, yes.

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Miss Collins,
you're a very beautiful lady,

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but you have an inner beauty about you.

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-Doesn't she?
-Oh, yes, and…

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[Barbara] <i>Her women</i>
<i>were strong in her books.</i>

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<i>And they came from a strong person.</i>

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<i>And I think Jackie was a strong person.</i>

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[all laughing]

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<i>And women who would not ever</i>
<i>read books before loved her.</i>

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[interviewer]
Why did you get onto the line?

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Because we like reading her books.

398
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[interviewer] How many
of the other books have you read?

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-All of them. [chuckles]
-[women chuckling]

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[woman] I'm an addict.

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[Jackie] Here we have Hazel
in Paris. <i>Bonjour,</i> Hazel.

402
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<i>Bonjour!</i>

403
00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:05,230
[Hazel] I went
to all Jackie's book signings.

404
00:26:05,314 --> 00:26:06,815
[speaking French]

405
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{\an8}One after the other
of women would just go up

406
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{\an8}to her and say,
"I'd like you to sign my book."

407
00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:17,201
"But please can I tell you,
thank you so much."

408
00:26:17,284 --> 00:26:20,871
"From reading your books,
I now have so much more courage."

409
00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,499
And, "Thank you,
I was in a really bad relationship."

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One after the other.

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[Melody] There would be lines
around the block.

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Every person got a moment with her.
She didn't treat anyone badly.

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00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:39,556
You got to talk to her, she talked to you.

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00:26:40,432 --> 00:26:41,892
Her fans made her

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00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,728
and she wasn't going
to treat them poorly, ever.

416
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[interviewer] Are you going
to read the book after?

417
00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:49,483
We're going to read
the book when we get on this line.

418
00:26:49,775 --> 00:26:52,736
By the time we get to her,
this book will be finished. [chuckles]

419
00:26:56,573 --> 00:27:03,080
{\an8}There is nobody, you know, that built
the empire as far as the brand

420
00:27:03,497 --> 00:27:04,540
{\an8}like she did.

421
00:27:05,207 --> 00:27:11,463
{\an8}I-- I don't know of another authoress
that has done that.

422
00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:12,965
[indistinct chatter]

423
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:16,593
I can tell you it's substantial,
I can tell you it's millions,

424
00:27:16,677 --> 00:27:19,471
but, you know,
I certainly can't tell you what,

425
00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:22,099
you know, her empire was worth.

426
00:27:23,809 --> 00:27:26,145
[interviewer] But in Hollywood terms
it was significant?

427
00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:27,396
Substantial.

428
00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:29,731
[interviewer] Yeah.

429
00:27:32,776 --> 00:27:36,780
[Rory] <i>To be an author and to also</i>
<i>have that level of celebrity,</i>

430
00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:38,532
<i>that was unheard of.</i>

431
00:27:40,826 --> 00:27:43,704
[Tiffany] <i>She was a larger</i>
<i>than life character.</i>

432
00:27:45,164 --> 00:27:46,415
<i>She was there for all her friends,</i>

433
00:27:46,498 --> 00:27:48,417
<i>everybody thought</i>
<i>that they were the best friend.</i>

434
00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:54,673
My name is Laura Lizer
and I was Jackie's business manager,

435
00:27:54,756 --> 00:27:56,967
but also, I was her best friend.

436
00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:01,221
I'm Jan Gold
and I'm Jackie Collins' best friend.

437
00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:06,393
My relationship
to Jackie Collins is a best friend.

438
00:28:07,144 --> 00:28:08,312
[sighs]

439
00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:10,355
Well, anyway.

440
00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,693
-[caller]<i> Good morning, Jackie.</i>
<i>-Good morning, how are you?</i>

441
00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:16,612
[caller] <i>I'm doing great,</i>
<i>can you tell me--</i>

442
00:28:17,529 --> 00:28:19,198
<i>-…in just a couple of minutes.</i>
<i>-Okay.</i>

443
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:20,657
[static]

444
00:28:21,617 --> 00:28:23,577
[Tita] <i>She lived in Jackie land.</i>

445
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:31,710
<i>But she was far more fragile</i>
<i>than she would have you know.</i>

446
00:28:34,213 --> 00:28:39,009
<i>Very few people saw past the facade.</i>

447
00:28:42,304 --> 00:28:44,765
[hums]

448
00:28:45,891 --> 00:28:47,684
-[projector whirring]
-[birds singing]

449
00:28:49,728 --> 00:28:51,188
[soft music playing]

450
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,027
[narrator] <i>"Twenty-third of Feb.</i>
<i>I went around several model agencies."</i>

451
00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:00,822
<i>"Went for an interview</i>
<i>and I had to put on my bikini."</i>

452
00:29:02,324 --> 00:29:04,952
<i>"In makeup</i>
<i>I was told my nose was too long."</i>

453
00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:08,789
<i>"Went to see Bill Watts,</i>
<i>he said my eyebrows were too thick."</i>

454
00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,417
<i>"I look awful, Joan told me so."</i>

455
00:29:15,337 --> 00:29:17,047
<i>"I wish I could get some work."</i>

456
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:21,843
[Joan] She did a picture
with Alec Guinness,

457
00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:24,179
I remember
she was very excited about that.

458
00:29:26,014 --> 00:29:29,101
And then she played
opposite Roger Moore in <i>The Saint.</i>

459
00:29:35,941 --> 00:29:40,696
And then Daddy sent her off
on the variety circuit

460
00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:45,993
and she was billed
as Joan Collins' younger sister,

461
00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:49,204
which I think infuriated her.

462
00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:55,961
She didn't want
to be associated with me,

463
00:29:56,044 --> 00:29:58,005
because people
would always ask her about me, you know.

464
00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:08,598
[narrator] <i>"Twenty-first of September."</i>

465
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,102
{\an8}<i>"Went to Harley Street</i>
<i>to have a nose operation."</i>

466
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,022
{\an8}<i>"I can't swallow or breathe</i>
<i>and look like a monster."</i>

467
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,941
[Tita] I hate to say these things,

468
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:23,697
but Jackie had a lot of fixing
to do and she struggled with weight.

469
00:30:24,114 --> 00:30:28,702
And the teeth are done
and the nose was done.

470
00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:35,375
I mean, I'm just being frank,
but she made herself just beautiful.

471
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,713
[narrator] <i>"Twenty-eighth of October."</i>

472
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,257
<i>"I love my new nose."</i>

473
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,093
["My Dearest One" playing]

474
00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:53,226
<i>♪ There is one… ♪</i>

475
00:30:55,312 --> 00:30:56,563
[narrator] <i>"May 17th."</i>

476
00:30:56,813 --> 00:30:59,608
<i>"Had dinner at Wallace's with him,</i>
<i>a nice quiet evening."</i>

477
00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:02,319
<i>"Lately things are great with us."</i>

478
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,363
<i>♪ I want you near to me… ♪</i>

479
00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:09,534
{\an8}[Jennifer] She had had some
flood damage in one of her rooms,

480
00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:12,788
{\an8}and, um, we had to
go through a number of items

481
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:19,461
{\an8}and there was a suitcase on
a shelf that, um, I opened and she said,

482
00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:21,755
{\an8}"Oh, that was my--
My first wedding dress."

483
00:31:22,089 --> 00:31:23,965
[indistinct chatter]

484
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,177
<i>♪ Truly I do… ♪</i>

485
00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,304
[Tiffany]
<i>I don't know how they met actually.</i>

486
00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:33,266
<i>But Wallace sort of appeared in her life.</i>

487
00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:36,561
-[Bill] They met at a dinner party.
-[laughs]

488
00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:40,774
He was very charismatic, he was lovely,
he was a very nice person.

489
00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:43,276
<i>♪ But please… ♪</i>

490
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,656
[Joan] <i>He was from a nice family</i>
<i>and my parents liked him a lot.</i>

491
00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:50,158
<i>He was solid, he had a business.</i>

492
00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:53,662
[Tracy]<i> She'd been struggling</i>
<i>in her career,</i>

493
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,206
<i>she hadn't really become an actress.</i>

494
00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:59,709
<i>And she was really swept off her feet.</i>

495
00:31:59,793 --> 00:32:02,921
<i>You know, they went to Gstaad</i>
<i>and they went skiing</i>

496
00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:05,882
<i>and they went here and they went there</i>
<i>and he took her to Italy.</i>

497
00:32:07,134 --> 00:32:10,971
<i>It was an incredibly sort</i>
<i>of whirlwind romance.</i>

498
00:32:13,014 --> 00:32:17,352
[Rory] <i>Wallace was very desirable</i>
<i>in the kind of social scene.</i>

499
00:32:18,895 --> 00:32:20,147
<i>Had a lot of ladies.</i>

500
00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:23,108
<i>And I think, you know,</i>
<i>that she liked a challenge.</i>

501
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:25,735
[indistinct chatter]

502
00:32:26,486 --> 00:32:29,698
[Tracy] <i>He was what they would consider</i>
<i>in those days a playboy.</i>

503
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,159
<i>But he had money</i>
<i>and it would mean</i>

504
00:32:32,492 --> 00:32:36,079
<i>that she was be able</i>
<i>to move away from her father.</i>

505
00:32:37,414 --> 00:32:41,585
[narrator] <i>"We drove to Sanremo</i>
<i>for the day, went to Monte Carlo Casino,</i>

506
00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:45,005
<i>-later ate at the harbor in Cannes."</i>
-[laughs]

507
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:49,217
<i>♪ I do ♪</i>

508
00:32:49,593 --> 00:32:53,847
[Rory] <i>When Hollywood didn't happen,</i>
<i>I'm guessing she just thought,</i>

509
00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:56,183
<i>"Maybe I'll just get married."</i>

510
00:32:57,434 --> 00:33:01,354
[narrator] <i>"April 21st.</i>
<i>Daddy started talking about me and W."</i>

511
00:33:02,606 --> 00:33:04,191
<i>"We discussed getting engaged."</i>

512
00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:13,116
[Joan] It was a very, very big,
fancy-schmancy wedding at Roman House.

513
00:33:15,619 --> 00:33:19,706
Jackie had a 21 inch waist,
she looked absolutely ravishing.

514
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,334
Wallace was in a top hat.

515
00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:27,380
-Oh, God! And I came with Warren.
-[indistinct chatter]

516
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:30,592
We took pictures, we made speeches.

517
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,679
It was a lovely wedding.

518
00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:44,231
Later she had showed me
a photograph of her in that--

519
00:33:44,356 --> 00:33:49,611
In that dress and we talked
about Wallace, we talked about, um,

520
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:53,990
just that he was not emotionally well.

521
00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:57,577
[narrator] <i>"Spent the day</i>
<i>with Wallace, he's still ill."</i>

522
00:33:58,078 --> 00:34:00,163
<i>"I'm so happy with him most times."</i>

523
00:34:00,789 --> 00:34:05,752
Very quickly on, she saw something
that was really concerning

524
00:34:05,835 --> 00:34:08,880
and really difficult
and didn't understand it.

525
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:11,800
[narrator] <i>"Wallace stayed</i>
<i>in bed all day."</i>

526
00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:14,344
<i>"Atmosphere strained."</i>

527
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:20,684
He had gotten involved in a doctor
who started to heavily medicate him.

528
00:34:21,309 --> 00:34:24,980
And consequently that led
to him becoming an addict.

529
00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:29,985
[narrator]<i> "Ever since our marriage,</i>
<i>my husband has been a drug addict."</i>

530
00:34:31,278 --> 00:34:34,573
<i>"My husband always objected</i>
<i>to my having friends into our home,</i>

531
00:34:34,656 --> 00:34:37,409
<i>and would be in a drugged condition</i>
<i>when my friends arrived."</i>

532
00:34:37,492 --> 00:34:38,994
<i>"To such an extent that my…"</i>

533
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:43,331
[Tracy] She was a young woman,
married, pregnant with me,

534
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:50,255
with a husband who was,
you know, severely, um, mentally ill.

535
00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:53,174
[narrator] <i>"At twelve o'clock midnight,</i>
<i>he leaped out of bed</i>

536
00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:55,552
<i>and I discovered</i>
<i>he had taken some methedrine."</i>

537
00:34:58,305 --> 00:35:01,516
[Tracy] <i>"He rushed to the balcony</i>
<i>saying he was going to throw himself off."</i>

538
00:35:03,393 --> 00:35:07,147
"After some 15 minutes, Wallace
did not reappear from the balcony."

539
00:35:07,397 --> 00:35:09,232
"And growing very worried
about his threat,

540
00:35:09,357 --> 00:35:11,651
I went to look for him
and found the balcony empty."

541
00:35:11,818 --> 00:35:13,236
{\an8}[somber music playing]

542
00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:20,201
{\an8}He used to threaten her,
I think is the right word,

543
00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:23,163
{\an8}that if she left him,
that he would commit suicide.

544
00:35:24,331 --> 00:35:25,415
[narrator] <i>"July 12th."</i>

545
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:30,086
<i>"Wallace kept me up all night,</i>
<i>was violent and abusive."</i>

546
00:35:34,257 --> 00:35:37,927
[Joan] <i>I came back from Hollywood,</i>
<i>Tracy was born.</i>

547
00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:42,515
[Bill] <i>I would say it was difficult.</i>

548
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,144
<i>She had Tracy, Tracy was very young,</i>
<i>and we were looking after her</i>

549
00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:50,231
<i>and going to visit Wallace</i>
<i>at the various hospitals he was in.</i>

550
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,529
[narrator] <i>"Dear Mrs. Austin,</i>
<i>I'm writing to let you know</i>

551
00:35:56,696 --> 00:35:59,699
<i>that your husband has agreed</i>
<i>to undergo some electrical treatment,</i>

552
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,035
<i>which we hope will ease his tension."</i>

553
00:36:02,911 --> 00:36:04,954
<i>"He received his first treatment</i>
<i>this morning,</i>

554
00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:06,498
<i>but I am very glad to say that…"</i>

555
00:36:06,581 --> 00:36:11,002
[Tracy] Electroshock therapy
was very brutal, it was very primitive.

556
00:36:12,796 --> 00:36:15,256
So not knowing the kind
of husband that she would get back

557
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:20,011
after something like that, the fear
must have been, you know, enormous.

558
00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:21,471
-[dog barking]
-[ominous music playing]

559
00:36:28,061 --> 00:36:31,314
My mom absolutely
worshipped her mom.

560
00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,069
Elsa was kind of like this angel,

561
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:40,657
very warm,
very nurturing, very, very loving.

562
00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:52,460
[Joan] Daddy said, "We are not to mention
that she has got cancer,

563
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:58,299
we don't use that word."
She's got a virus, she has a bad flu.

564
00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:02,679
It was as though, you know, she had some
horrible communic--

565
00:37:02,762 --> 00:37:08,935
I mean, it was really
terrifying how strongly he felt about it

566
00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:14,190
and we would talk about it,
we would cry a lot, we would visit her.

567
00:37:15,942 --> 00:37:21,614
And Jackie had Tracy
and she would bring Tracy,

568
00:37:21,698 --> 00:37:24,367
little baby Tracy to see Mommy.

569
00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,161
[somber music playing]

570
00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:31,958
She had a dying mother,

571
00:37:32,417 --> 00:37:37,213
a father who was so bereft,
but covering it all up,

572
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:41,176
and this husband
who I think was now doping.

573
00:37:42,427 --> 00:37:45,221
It must have been very, very hard for her.

574
00:37:48,892 --> 00:37:52,395
[narrator] <i>"Wallace phoned me and said,</i>
<i>'The Lord will have your soul.'"</i>

575
00:37:53,021 --> 00:37:55,190
<i>"He spoke of taking Tracy into court."</i>

576
00:37:58,151 --> 00:38:00,695
[Tracy] <i>Suddenly she</i>
<i>was completely trapped…</i>

577
00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:01,863
[baby babbles]

578
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,116
<i>…and probably with no notion of,</i>

579
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,535
<i>"How do I get out of this</i>
<i>and what do I do?"</i>

580
00:38:08,328 --> 00:38:09,871
[dramatic music playing]

581
00:38:11,247 --> 00:38:12,707
[car engine starts]

582
00:38:17,754 --> 00:38:19,339
[Melody] <i>She didn't have any money,</i>

583
00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:22,217
<i>but she got up enough courage to leave</i>

584
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,552
<i>in the middle of the night</i>
<i>and never looked back.</i>

585
00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:31,226
<i>And shortly after, she found out</i>
<i>that he had killed himself.</i>

586
00:38:31,392 --> 00:38:32,727
["Misty Moon" playing]

587
00:38:33,603 --> 00:38:37,232
I think the circumstances
of his death were pretty horrible.

588
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:41,277
You know, going off
into the black forest

589
00:38:41,361 --> 00:38:45,573
and I think he was taking pills,
I'm not quite sure how it happened.

590
00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,992
<i>♪ Since my lover had gone… ♪</i>

591
00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:51,454
[host] As a teenage girl, you married
a businessman who was older than you,

592
00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:56,459
who you've described honestly as dynamic,
exciting, but a manic depressive

593
00:38:56,918 --> 00:38:58,628
who was dependent upon drugs.

594
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,506
You divorced him
after four years of marriage

595
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:03,716
and shortly afterwards he was found dead.

596
00:39:05,176 --> 00:39:07,512
And you have a daughter
from this marriage.

597
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:13,518
I mean, I knew he would do it,
I knew two years before he would do it.

598
00:39:13,768 --> 00:39:16,563
And you can't live your life
with somebody saying to you,

599
00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:18,273
"I'm going to kill myself
if you leave me,"

600
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,358
or, "I'm going to kill myself
if you do this or that."

601
00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:22,527
Eventually you have to go off
and live your life

602
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:23,778
and you can't feel guilty about it.

603
00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:26,739
I've never felt guilty about it
because I knew he was going to do it

604
00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:28,741
and there was nothing
that would have stopped him.

605
00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:30,910
I wouldn't have stopped him,
nobody could have stopped him.

606
00:39:34,455 --> 00:39:37,667
[Tracy] This was the defining point
I'm guessing in her life

607
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:43,298
to moving her on, I think, to--
To protecting herself.

608
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:44,465
And how did she do that?

609
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:48,219
She… She created a world for herself,

610
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:52,682
of wonderful characters
who wouldn't let her down.

611
00:39:53,474 --> 00:39:55,768
<i>Hi, I'm Jackie Collins.</i>

612
00:39:55,935 --> 00:40:01,107
<i>I write novels, big long powerful stories,</i>
<i>the kind I like to read.</i>

613
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:04,193
<i>And thanks to you I've been lucky,</i>
<i>they've all been bestsellers.</i>

614
00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:05,486
<i>And now I'd like you to get…</i>

615
00:40:05,570 --> 00:40:08,615
[Tracy] <i>If she could become successful</i>
<i>in her own right,</i>

616
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:11,659
<i>nobody else could take that away from her.</i>

617
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,369
[upbeat music playing]

618
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:19,125
The double standard,
I grew up with it, didn't you?

619
00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:22,253
Men, as far as far as I could tell,
had it all their own way,

620
00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:23,963
and women were very good about it.

621
00:40:24,047 --> 00:40:26,549
They accepted it,
as if it was their light in life to wait

622
00:40:26,633 --> 00:40:28,551
quietly in the kitchen or the bedroom.

623
00:40:28,718 --> 00:40:29,844
[crowd chanting]

624
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:33,640
[Jackie] Why,
I ask myself, why do we accept it?

625
00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:36,601
Why do we tolerate a society
which nods approvingly

626
00:40:36,684 --> 00:40:39,938
if a married man plays around,
but if a married woman does it,

627
00:40:40,021 --> 00:40:43,441
"Oh, dear me. She's a slut,
a tramp, a bad woman."

628
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,446
[Morton] <i>She writes about a woman being</i>
<i>sexually harassed on the job.</i>

629
00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,073
[crowd chanting]

630
00:40:51,282 --> 00:40:53,660
<i>-A horrific marriage.</i>
-[crowd chanting]

631
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,829
<i>A man who destroys her temperamentally.</i>

632
00:40:56,955 --> 00:41:00,458
-[crowd chanting]
<i>-The authors who do the best</i>

633
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,962
<i>are the ones</i>
<i>who personally feel those problems.</i>

634
00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:05,588
[indistinct chatter]

635
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:09,550
[host]<i> What does feminism mean</i>
<i>to you then if you are a feminist?</i>

636
00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:14,055
It means, um… It means freedom,
it means sexual freedom,

637
00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:15,640
I don't like the double standard.

638
00:41:15,723 --> 00:41:17,892
I think that, you know,
women and men should be able

639
00:41:17,976 --> 00:41:19,686
-to be as free as each other.
-["Vitamin C" playing]

640
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:21,229
<i>♪ Hey, you ♪</i>

641
00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:25,066
<i>♪ You're losing… ♪</i>

642
00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:31,114
[Joan] <i>She would go for the hunks,</i>
<i>the bodybuilders, the six packers.</i>

643
00:41:32,031 --> 00:41:36,244
<i>I mean, she was still very young,</i>
<i>she was 21 or 22 years old.</i>

644
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:39,914
<i>♪ You're losing, you're losing</i>
<i>You're losing, you're losing… ♪</i>

645
00:41:39,998 --> 00:41:45,086
[Tracy] <i>She certainly got back</i>
<i>into having a few relationships.</i>

646
00:41:46,796 --> 00:41:51,259
<i>What her own turmoil was after my father,</i>
<i>I don't know.</i>

647
00:41:52,802 --> 00:41:58,808
<i>But she felt that,</i>
<i>you know, she deserved more.</i>

648
00:42:00,268 --> 00:42:01,477
<i>♪ Hey, you ♪</i>

649
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,315
<i>♪ You're losing, you're losing ♪</i>

650
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,819
<i>♪ You're losing</i>
<i>You're losing your vitamin C ♪</i>

651
00:42:12,447 --> 00:42:13,656
<i>♪ Hey, you ♪</i>

652
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,501
-[interviewer] So, Johnny, can you just…
-[Johnny Gold] Yes.

653
00:42:25,626 --> 00:42:27,628
[interviewer]
…tell me a little bit about yourself?

654
00:42:27,712 --> 00:42:32,050
{\an8}My name is Johnny Gold.
I was a partner of Oscar Lerman.

655
00:42:32,425 --> 00:42:34,010
{\an8}[indistinct chatter]

656
00:42:35,053 --> 00:42:37,805
I first met him, I think it was '62.

657
00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:39,891
[seagulls crying]

658
00:42:40,808 --> 00:42:43,519
He said to me, "How would you like to be
in the club business?"

659
00:42:44,312 --> 00:42:45,897
I said, "Well,
I don't know anything about it."

660
00:42:45,980 --> 00:42:47,106
He said, "You'll learn."

661
00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:52,195
So I said, "Well, fine."
And we opened Tramp.

662
00:42:52,653 --> 00:42:54,530
[disco music playing]

663
00:43:03,247 --> 00:43:05,458
[Tita] Oh, I met everybody at Tramp.

664
00:43:05,875 --> 00:43:09,045
I met Muhammad Ali,
I met the Caines, I met…

665
00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:12,882
Oh, whoever was in town
all stopped at Tramp.

666
00:43:13,174 --> 00:43:14,884
<i>♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪</i>

667
00:43:16,803 --> 00:43:20,723
Jackie and myself, and even Joan as well,
we would go to this club,

668
00:43:20,807 --> 00:43:23,184
because it was the most in club in London.

669
00:43:26,896 --> 00:43:29,524
<i>♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪</i>

670
00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:35,321
{\an8}She used to sweep in looking amazing
in this skin tight low cut black dress.

671
00:43:35,488 --> 00:43:38,783
{\an8}She had the dynamite figure
and it always had zhuzh around

672
00:43:38,866 --> 00:43:41,994
{\an8}and all the guys would be panting.

673
00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:48,167
[Johnny] Oscar and I are sitting there
and Oscar says, "Oh, my God."

674
00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,211
And I looked and it's Jackie.

675
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,466
And I said, "Oh, my God, Johnny.
I'm going to marry that girl." [chuckles]

676
00:43:56,676 --> 00:44:00,638
[Tracy] I know she had two men
that both asked her to marry them

677
00:44:00,763 --> 00:44:04,559
and she took me away on holiday
with both of them

678
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,145
to decide who was better with me.

679
00:44:07,228 --> 00:44:11,023
[chuckling] So that would have been,
you know, very confusing for me,

680
00:44:11,107 --> 00:44:13,734
but nonetheless,
she came back and decided

681
00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:15,987
that Oscar was the man for her.

682
00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,447
-[soft music playing]
-[indistinct chatter]

683
00:44:19,699 --> 00:44:22,702
[Joan] <i>Everybody loved Oscar,</i>
<i>they really did.</i>

684
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:24,871
<i>I never heard a bad word about him.</i>

685
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,710
<i>And he worshipped</i>
<i>the ground she walked on.</i>

686
00:44:37,425 --> 00:44:40,011
[Johnny] And the first apartment
they lived in was the one

687
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:41,846
that Jackie was already living in.

688
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:46,017
And one day he found this manuscript.

689
00:44:47,727 --> 00:44:50,396
And Oscar said, "What is this, Jackie?"

690
00:44:52,607 --> 00:44:55,151
And she said,
"Well, I started to try write a book."

691
00:44:57,653 --> 00:45:00,198
So Oscar took it and read it
and he said it was good,

692
00:45:00,281 --> 00:45:01,657
he said, "I was really shocked."

693
00:45:02,575 --> 00:45:04,118
And he said, "I made her finish it."

694
00:45:04,202 --> 00:45:05,745
I said,
"Jackie you've got to finish this book."

695
00:45:07,663 --> 00:45:08,915
[Jackie] <i>I'd been writing all my life.</i>

696
00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:11,250
<i>I'd written a lot</i>
<i>of half books that I hadn't finished,</i>

697
00:45:11,334 --> 00:45:13,586
<i>and he was the first person</i>
<i>that said to me,</i>

698
00:45:13,711 --> 00:45:16,255
<i>"It's absolutely terrific</i>
<i>and you can do it."</i>

699
00:45:16,422 --> 00:45:18,674
<i>And so I did it, I mean,</i>
<i>he said, "You've got to finish it."</i>

700
00:45:18,758 --> 00:45:20,718
<i>I'd never finished anything up</i>
<i>until that time.</i>

701
00:45:23,346 --> 00:45:27,183
I think that had been
in her sort of psyche for a long time.

702
00:45:28,476 --> 00:45:31,812
Because she had a lot
of trauma, you know, prior to that.

703
00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:37,026
But she found that very,
very painful to talk about.

704
00:45:38,027 --> 00:45:40,696
Certainly, you know,
to be able to sit down and write.

705
00:45:41,364 --> 00:45:44,200
That was her sort of lifeline.

706
00:45:47,578 --> 00:45:49,455
[Jackie]<i> It took me forever,</i>
<i>but I finished it.</i>

707
00:45:49,872 --> 00:45:51,624
<i>And then I looked along my bookcase</i>

708
00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:54,752
<i>and saw a publisher that I had</i>
<i>a lot of their books and I thought,</i>

709
00:45:54,877 --> 00:45:57,838
<i>"Well, if I like what they publish,</i>
<i>maybe they'll like what I write."</i>

710
00:46:00,967 --> 00:46:04,637
[Tracy] <i>In those days you actually</i>
<i>had to send a big thick manuscript off.</i>

711
00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:10,726
<i>And I think it got picked up by</i>
<i>the first publisher that it got sent to.</i>

712
00:46:12,603 --> 00:46:14,188
Four hundred pounds.

713
00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:18,192
Four hundred pounds
she got for that first book.

714
00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:22,154
How did I remember that? Anyway, um…

715
00:46:22,238 --> 00:46:23,698
[interviewer]
And what was that book called?

716
00:46:24,073 --> 00:46:26,450
I think-- Was it
<i>The World Is Full of Married Men?</i>

717
00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:28,411
{\an8}["Devil Woman" playing]

718
00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:35,376
"Chapter one. Claudia was in bed,

719
00:46:35,459 --> 00:46:38,963
she was a very beautiful girl
and she knew it."

720
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:42,591
"And David knew it,
so everyone was happy."

721
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:47,221
"She caressed his back,
and he felt desire rise up in him again."

722
00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:49,932
"She'd only to touch him
and he wanted her."

723
00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:53,060
"There's only one little problem,
I don't want to marry you."

724
00:46:53,686 --> 00:46:56,939
"Not even if you were free
and we could rush off and do it now."

725
00:46:57,398 --> 00:47:01,861
"I want to do what I want to do,
whenever I want."

726
00:47:01,986 --> 00:47:04,488
"No ties, no strings,
I don't want marriage,

727
00:47:04,572 --> 00:47:06,240
it means nothing to me."

728
00:47:08,075 --> 00:47:10,077
<i>♪ She's just a devil woman… ♪</i>

729
00:47:10,161 --> 00:47:13,622
[Jan] She firmly believed that it would
do well, she was that positive.

730
00:47:15,166 --> 00:47:20,212
But I think she was surprised
at how amazingly well it did do.

731
00:47:20,421 --> 00:47:24,842
And of course the one thing we all loved
was that end killer line,

732
00:47:25,301 --> 00:47:27,386
"Justice for all females."

733
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,515
[Tracy] <i>They published,</i>
<i>you know, 2,000 books,</i>

734
00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:34,894
<i>and within eight weeks,</i>
<i>suddenly, you know,</i>

735
00:47:34,977 --> 00:47:37,104
<i>oh, my God,</i>
<i>we're going into a 100,000.</i>

736
00:47:37,188 --> 00:47:39,774
<i>♪ Let me see the lines on your hand… ♪</i>

737
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:45,404
[Jeffrey Lane] I'd worked with Joan
as a publicist since the late 60s.

738
00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:51,577
Joan took me to a party in London at Tramp

739
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,164
at the book launch
for <i>The World Is Full of Married Men.</i>

740
00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:02,671
{\an8}Jackie was the first author
to write about women who were…

741
00:48:03,130 --> 00:48:06,258
{\an8}Who behaved like men,
who did what men did

742
00:48:06,801 --> 00:48:10,888
{\an8}and didn't apologize
or excuse themselves.

743
00:48:11,555 --> 00:48:15,434
[Tracy] <i>So it very quickly made her very</i>
<i>controversial at a very young age.</i>

744
00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,647
[Bill] <i>They had two children,</i>
<i>Tiffany and Rory.</i>

745
00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:22,900
<i>Oscar was earning money with the club…</i>

746
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,612
<i>and it enabled her to just write.</i>

747
00:48:27,988 --> 00:48:32,410
He wasn't at all threatened
by her talent or her creativity, you know,

748
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:36,372
he really just wanted to, you know,
he wanted to help her develop that.

749
00:48:36,455 --> 00:48:37,706
[indistinct chatter]

750
00:48:38,332 --> 00:48:42,044
When they'd come back from Tramp,
they'd stay up, you know,

751
00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:43,504
drinking and playing charades.

752
00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:48,175
There was always a sense
that she was researching.

753
00:48:50,261 --> 00:48:52,304
[Johnny] You know,
the names were slightly changed,

754
00:48:52,388 --> 00:48:55,724
but you could recognize them
if you were on that scene

755
00:48:55,808 --> 00:48:59,353
and we knew who she was writing about. Um…

756
00:48:59,437 --> 00:49:00,604
[interviewer] How about you?

757
00:49:00,771 --> 00:49:04,233
Well, a lot of people thought <i>The Stud</i>
was me, but it wasn't.

758
00:49:05,401 --> 00:49:07,194
-[interviewer] Jackie said it was you.
-[Johnny] Did she?

759
00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:10,197
Well, she called me a sexual athlete,
I mean, that's not bad.

760
00:49:11,699 --> 00:49:15,953
[Joan] When I read <i>The Stud,</i> I said,
this would make a great movie.

761
00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:21,625
I'd now been an actress
for over 20 years, 22 years.

762
00:49:21,834 --> 00:49:22,710
[screaming]

763
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:26,213
I'd done this terrible movie called
<i>Empire of the Ants.</i>

764
00:49:27,673 --> 00:49:29,425
[screaming] Get me out of here!

765
00:49:30,009 --> 00:49:33,679
And, um, you know, I was--
Parts weren't coming my way.

766
00:49:34,513 --> 00:49:36,599
Joan was really famous…

767
00:49:38,601 --> 00:49:42,646
before Jackie, right,
really famous, huge in London.

768
00:49:44,732 --> 00:49:48,569
And then Jackie started to become famous,

769
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:51,363
but Joan's acting at that point…

770
00:49:53,866 --> 00:49:54,867
not much.

771
00:49:55,784 --> 00:49:57,620
[Jan] I mean, Joan was nothing,

772
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,040
and I don't think Jackie
ever thought that would happen.

773
00:50:01,624 --> 00:50:05,461
And I certainly
don't think she ever thought…

774
00:50:07,505 --> 00:50:09,882
she would revive Joan's career.

775
00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:13,385
So I asked Jackie
if she would write the script

776
00:50:13,469 --> 00:50:16,555
and that I could then start taking
it to various producers,

777
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,517
to various people
that I knew to get it financed.

778
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,228
[Johnny] <i>"The Stud</i> by Jackie Collins."

779
00:50:23,187 --> 00:50:28,567
"Fontaine came in,
I followed her to a small elevator

780
00:50:29,068 --> 00:50:32,112
and we pressed closely together
as it started up."

781
00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:35,783
What's going on?

782
00:50:36,325 --> 00:50:38,244
"'Are we there?' I asked foolishly."

783
00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:42,498
"'No, but we soon can be,' she replied,
pulling up my trousers."

784
00:50:42,665 --> 00:50:44,166
-[moaning]
-That's right.

785
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:47,795
[Johnny] <i>"Screw me, you bastard!</i>
<i>Keep it hard!"</i>

786
00:50:48,671 --> 00:50:51,215
[Oliver Tobias]
When I first read the original script,

787
00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:54,718
{\an8}I thought it was just like
a silly sort of soft porn opera,

788
00:50:54,802 --> 00:50:56,679
{\an8}it had nothing going for it.

789
00:50:57,179 --> 00:51:00,975
{\an8}And now we've made an interpretation out
of it, it's a very different story.

790
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:05,521
Oliver Tobias thought he was the second
coming of Rock Hudson.

791
00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,274
-[suspense music playing]
-[woman] You're my Christmas present.

792
00:51:09,275 --> 00:51:11,569
[Oliver] Jackie Collins is a good writer,

793
00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:14,405
but, I mean,
movie making is a different medium.

794
00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:18,284
You know, I mean, you're making movies,
it's a director's medium

795
00:51:18,617 --> 00:51:21,537
and he's the painter
and the actor's the color.

796
00:51:22,037 --> 00:51:24,206
I'm a color in a picture.

797
00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:26,959
[splash]

798
00:51:27,293 --> 00:51:28,794
[birds singing]

799
00:51:29,545 --> 00:51:33,716
The-- The attitude towards women writing
films and scripts is changing now.

800
00:51:33,882 --> 00:51:36,093
I think before they were supposed
to write films about ladies

801
00:51:36,176 --> 00:51:39,513
that had nervous breakdowns
in southern Wales or something.

802
00:51:39,597 --> 00:51:41,473
I think all that has changed,
I hope so anyway.

803
00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:46,812
[Bill] <i>There was great snobbery</i>
<i>at that time.</i>

804
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:52,568
[narrator] <i>Where would we all be I wonder</i>
<i>without the jet set?</i>

805
00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,447
<i>They have turned boredom</i>
<i>into an art form and big fat books</i>

806
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:59,366
<i>have also been based</i>
<i>on their aimless comings and goings.</i>

807
00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:03,287
-Ladies and gentlemen, Jackie Collins.
-[soft music playing]

808
00:52:06,332 --> 00:52:09,335
[Bill] <i>But, look, Jackie was laughing</i>
<i>all the way to the bank.</i>

809
00:52:11,337 --> 00:52:13,922
[Tracy] She had found, you know, her niche

810
00:52:14,006 --> 00:52:17,509
and she went on to write
many successful books after that.

811
00:52:20,512 --> 00:52:26,435
But the criticisms throughout
the '70s felt I think to her quite, um…

812
00:52:27,353 --> 00:52:28,354
Quite difficult.

813
00:52:28,687 --> 00:52:31,857
You realized that you could write a book
that had a lot of sex in it,

814
00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:34,735
that was very upfront about these things
and that people would buy it.

815
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:35,986
Now, that was no accident.

816
00:52:36,070 --> 00:52:37,237
[Jackie] I have to stop you there

817
00:52:37,321 --> 00:52:39,281
because I've never written
for commercial reasons.

818
00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:44,328
Because I'm a woman writing this kind of--
They call it racy, raunchy literature,

819
00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:46,080
this shocks a lot of people.

820
00:52:46,205 --> 00:52:47,831
God forbid a woman should be writing

821
00:52:47,915 --> 00:52:51,377
about sex the way
that men are writing about sex.

822
00:52:51,502 --> 00:52:53,253
-[man] Have a little taste, Jackie.
-Probably will.

823
00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:54,380
-Of the wine?
-[man] Sure.

824
00:52:54,505 --> 00:52:58,008
-Yes, thank you.
-Do you still have the herpes, McLeane?

825
00:52:58,092 --> 00:52:59,718
[audience laughing]

826
00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:03,305
I would think, people always ask me
where I get all the characters from,

827
00:53:03,389 --> 00:53:04,932
well, here they are,
sitting all around me.

828
00:53:06,058 --> 00:53:08,102
[Tiffany] <i>These men</i>
<i>didn't get called out on it.</i>

829
00:53:09,228 --> 00:53:11,980
<i>So it was a real double standard</i>
<i>that was really unfair.</i>

830
00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:16,527
[Jackie] <i>I had to get up at 6:00,</i>
<i>take the kids to school,</i>

831
00:53:16,610 --> 00:53:18,487
<i>make their lunch and I would be writing</i>

832
00:53:18,696 --> 00:53:21,615
<i>on my way to meet them</i>
<i>after school at every stop light.</i>

833
00:53:23,117 --> 00:53:25,327
But to take a case like,
say, Jackie Collins, for example,

834
00:53:25,411 --> 00:53:27,246
now, there's no mastery of anything here.

835
00:53:27,329 --> 00:53:30,791
So, really the thing is just something
to decorate an airport bookstore.

836
00:53:31,083 --> 00:53:34,044
Jackie Collins is never going to become
classic no matter how long you wait.

837
00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:35,421
That's what I find interesting with that.

838
00:53:35,504 --> 00:53:37,965
It starts off as nothing
and ends up as nothing.

839
00:53:38,048 --> 00:53:41,218
Now as a woman in my fifties,
I get so many women

840
00:53:41,301 --> 00:53:42,803
who were teenagers at the same time

841
00:53:42,886 --> 00:53:46,390
I was a teenager saying, "Oh, my God,
your mom taught me everything about sex,"

842
00:53:46,473 --> 00:53:47,683
and I was like, "Oh, really?"

843
00:53:48,058 --> 00:53:52,479
Well, great, because she wrote
great sex in great books.

844
00:53:53,689 --> 00:53:56,024
[Jackie] <i>And I'm not claiming</i>
<i>to be a great literary genius,</i>

845
00:53:56,108 --> 00:53:58,277
<i>I'm claiming to be a terrific storyteller.</i>

846
00:53:58,902 --> 00:54:01,196
<i>And so I would say that the people</i>
<i>who criticize me the most</i>

847
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,282
<i>are the ones who've never read me.</i>

848
00:54:08,412 --> 00:54:09,580
[Tiffany] <i>It hurt her.</i>

849
00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:15,335
[Tracy] <i>She was like, "I'm going to go out</i>
<i>there and make sure I protect myself."</i>

850
00:54:23,469 --> 00:54:24,887
[audience applauding]

851
00:54:27,806 --> 00:54:30,392
<i>She had to find an image…</i>

852
00:54:30,476 --> 00:54:32,352
[man speaking indistinctly]

853
00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:34,354
<i>…almost like a shield.</i>

854
00:54:34,521 --> 00:54:36,398
[man] <i>…successful novelist,</i>
<i>Jackie Collins.</i>

855
00:54:37,816 --> 00:54:41,069
It was the hair pieces, it was the makeup.

856
00:54:41,153 --> 00:54:45,616
-It was the big hair before big hair.
-And you know the tie and the suit.

857
00:54:45,783 --> 00:54:49,119
-And the shoulders.
-And then fabulous jewels.

858
00:54:49,203 --> 00:54:51,413
Big yay earrings.

859
00:54:51,497 --> 00:54:53,457
[man] <i>For those of you</i>
<i>who haven't read this latest…</i>

860
00:54:53,791 --> 00:54:56,168
[Jeffrey] I mean, she became
the representative

861
00:54:56,251 --> 00:54:58,921
of the characters in her book.

862
00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:04,009
With cleavage
and jewels and looking gorgeous.

863
00:55:04,092 --> 00:55:06,553
And it was always quite startling.

864
00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:12,309
[Hazel] <i>And she added the leopard print,</i>
<i>leopard print wasn't vogue.</i>

865
00:55:13,435 --> 00:55:16,313
-[Laura] <i>It was sort of a suit of armor.</i>
-[audience applauding]

866
00:55:17,898 --> 00:55:23,320
{\an8}<i>She got joy out of the sparkle,</i>
<i>but also felt somehow protected by it.</i>

867
00:55:26,824 --> 00:55:29,701
[Joan] She phoned me up, I was in America.

868
00:55:31,286 --> 00:55:36,542
And I was extolling
the virtues of Los Angeles life to her.

869
00:55:37,584 --> 00:55:42,506
Her books had been really successful
in England, but not in America.

870
00:55:43,131 --> 00:55:47,177
And I said, "The only way to break into
America was to go and live in America."

871
00:55:49,012 --> 00:55:52,432
Oscar used to get a bit nervous at times,
his hands would shake.

872
00:55:52,558 --> 00:55:56,520
He said, "She wants us
to uproot and go to LA,

873
00:55:56,645 --> 00:55:58,689
because she thinks
she can make it there with the books."

874
00:56:01,108 --> 00:56:02,526
["Kids in America" playing]

875
00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:05,487
<i>♪ Looking out a dirty old window ♪</i>

876
00:56:05,737 --> 00:56:09,616
<i>♪ Down below the cars</i>
<i>In the city go rushing by… ♪</i>

877
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:14,872
[Joan] <i>So they picked up three children,</i>
<i>two dogs and they moved to America.</i>

878
00:56:17,583 --> 00:56:21,712
<i>♪ Friday night and everyone's moving</i>
<i>I can feel the heat… ♪</i>

879
00:56:21,795 --> 00:56:23,714
[Tracy] <i>She just had a sort of wanderlust.</i>

880
00:56:23,797 --> 00:56:27,718
<i>♪ Heading down I search</i>
<i>For the beat in this dirty town… ♪</i>

881
00:56:28,093 --> 00:56:30,971
[Tracy] <i>She was going</i>
<i>to do what she needed to do.</i>

882
00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:32,389
<i>♪ Young ones are growing ♪</i>

883
00:56:32,806 --> 00:56:37,436
<i>♪ We're the kids in America</i>
<i>We're the kids in America… ♪</i>

884
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,688
[Tracy] <i>She was going</i>
<i>to write that seminal book.</i>

885
00:56:40,439 --> 00:56:43,525
She has over 16 million books in print

886
00:56:43,609 --> 00:56:45,736
and it took just two weeks
for her latest novel, <i>Lucky,</i>

887
00:56:45,903 --> 00:56:47,738
to become number one
on the best seller list,

888
00:56:47,821 --> 00:56:49,781
and she's joining us
from Los Angeles this morning,

889
00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:51,116
Good morning, nice to see you.

890
00:56:51,241 --> 00:56:52,993
<i>Good morning, Joan, nice to see you too.</i>

891
00:56:54,745 --> 00:56:57,998
[Rory] Mom always used to say,
"Lucky is who every woman wants to be."

892
00:56:58,081 --> 00:57:01,793
And I used to think, "Well, no actually,
Lucky is exactly who you want to be."

893
00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:05,255
But I think so many women
actually did relate to her.

894
00:57:05,339 --> 00:57:07,799
[Jackie]<i> "Lucky Santangelo stood out</i>
<i>as she strode bristly</i>

895
00:57:07,883 --> 00:57:09,384
<i>through the crowd at the casino."</i>

896
00:57:09,801 --> 00:57:14,848
<i>"She was a strikingly beautiful woman</i>
<i>of 28 with an unruly mass of jet curls,</i>

897
00:57:14,932 --> 00:57:17,851
<i>black gypsy eyes, a wide sensual mouth…"</i>

898
00:57:17,935 --> 00:57:20,604
You also have a mini-series that's going
to air, what, next week on NBC?

899
00:57:21,021 --> 00:57:24,316
Yes, three nights, six hours.
I wrote it myself and I co-produced it.

900
00:57:25,734 --> 00:57:28,403
<i>"'I want to get laid,'</i>
<i>she thought, 'I need to.'"</i>

901
00:57:29,655 --> 00:57:31,657
<i>"It couldn't be just anybody,</i>

902
00:57:32,282 --> 00:57:34,826
<i>there had to be</i>
<i>a certain sexual chemistry."</i>

903
00:57:36,954 --> 00:57:39,623
<i>I've created some very strong heroines</i>
<i>over the years,</i>

904
00:57:39,706 --> 00:57:42,209
<i>and the strongest</i>
<i>of course is Lucky Santangelo.</i>

905
00:57:43,085 --> 00:57:44,461
<i>You bastard.</i>

906
00:57:45,963 --> 00:57:49,132
[Jackie] <i>When I'm writing Lucky,</i>
<i>I become Lucky.</i>

907
00:57:50,008 --> 00:57:53,553
<i>-How did you manage it?</i>
<i>-When I say I can do something, I deliver.</i>

908
00:57:54,137 --> 00:57:58,767
[Rory]<i> Lucky Santangelo was,</i>
<i>you know, really strident and really bold</i>

909
00:57:58,850 --> 00:58:01,144
<i>and really sexy and really empowered.</i>

910
00:58:01,937 --> 00:58:03,105
[man] <i>Looking good.</i>

911
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:06,233
<i>Who, me?</i>

912
00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:08,485
-[man] <i>You always look good, Lucky.</i>
<i>-I do?</i>

913
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:14,032
{\an8}[man] <i>Okay, here we go,</i>

914
00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:16,785
[speaking foreign language]

915
00:58:16,868 --> 00:58:19,788
<i>On TV One tonight, I'm Jackie Collins.</i>

916
00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:21,665
[announcer] <i>Jackie Collins, best seller…</i>

917
00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:22,749
{\an8}[speaking foreign language]

918
00:58:22,916 --> 00:58:25,961
{\an8}When you get to America,
you now open the door.

919
00:58:26,044 --> 00:58:28,797
Jackie was in, like,
I can't remember the number of countries.

920
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,592
Her books were translated
in, like, 30, 40 languages.

921
00:58:32,718 --> 00:58:35,512
[speaking French]

922
00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:38,015
-Jackie Collins.
-[audience applauding]

923
00:58:38,265 --> 00:58:42,436
[Morton] The amazing thing is, she writes
what looks like an American story

924
00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:46,773
and we find interest in Czechoslovakia.

925
00:58:47,149 --> 00:58:50,777
In Israel, in African countries.

926
00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:55,115
-Tell us, what are you doing in Hong Kong?
-I'm doing some careful research here.

927
00:58:55,574 --> 00:58:58,452
Um, I would very much like
to set some scenes in Hong Kong.

928
00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:00,829
[woman speaking French]

929
00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:01,913
[Melody]<i> People loved her.</i>

930
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,333
<i>Any country she showed up in,</i>
<i>they wanted to get her to autograph them</i>

931
00:59:05,417 --> 00:59:07,335
<i>or, "My mother likes your books."</i>

932
00:59:07,419 --> 00:59:09,588
<i>Or, "My daughter loved your books,"</i>
<i>you know.</i>

933
00:59:09,671 --> 00:59:12,799
-[man] Do you believe it? They found her.
-[indistinct chatter]

934
00:59:13,050 --> 00:59:19,973
[speaking French]

935
00:59:21,058 --> 00:59:23,643
…is doing very nicely in France…

936
00:59:23,727 --> 00:59:26,646
[Melody] <i>That's what Jackie</i>
<i>created by coming to America.</i>

937
00:59:27,397 --> 00:59:28,732
<i>An international name.</i>

938
00:59:29,232 --> 00:59:32,235
Here we are in Paris, the Plaza…

939
00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:35,280
Oscar was like, "Yeah, let's do it."

940
00:59:35,447 --> 00:59:37,282
"If that's what you want to do,
let's do it."

941
00:59:37,616 --> 00:59:41,286
Welcome to Paris, Jackie Collins. Hey!

942
00:59:42,454 --> 00:59:44,122
[Laura] <i>He was her rock,</i>

943
00:59:44,956 --> 00:59:48,752
<i>and I think he was very instrumental</i>
<i>in her success,</i>

944
00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:51,379
<i>because of having somebody</i>
<i>like Oscar behind her.</i>

945
00:59:51,505 --> 00:59:53,632
[woman] How was
the necking scene this morning?

946
00:59:53,715 --> 00:59:57,302
I don't need to even comment on that
if you look at this spot here on my dress.

947
00:59:57,928 --> 00:59:59,763
{\an8}-Press the red. Press the red.
-[woman] No.

948
00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:03,391
{\an8}[Jackie] <i>"Suddenly a hand gripped her</i>
<i>by the arm, it was Lenny Golden."</i>

949
01:00:04,976 --> 01:00:07,562
<i>"'You're just the man I'm looking for,'"</i>
<i>she said.</i>

950
01:00:08,355 --> 01:00:10,315
[indistinct chatter]

951
01:00:12,275 --> 01:00:15,862
-[Jackie] What is today, Oscar?
-Today is the happiest day of my life.

952
01:00:16,571 --> 01:00:18,740
Twenty-one years ago, I got married.

953
01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:20,617
[grunts]

954
01:00:24,204 --> 01:00:28,083
[Morton] I used to call Oscar
and I would say, "How are you, Oscar?"

955
01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:32,546
And he would say, "Listen, Mort,
it's 80 degrees, the sun is shining."

956
01:00:32,671 --> 01:00:35,132
"I'm sitting by the pool
in my bathing suit."

957
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:36,591
"How-- What could be better?"

958
01:00:37,425 --> 01:00:38,552
[Jackie] Hi, Oscar.

959
01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:42,597
[Rory] <i>They were just such a perfect team</i>
<i>together, they just worked really well.</i>

960
01:00:43,306 --> 01:00:47,185
<i>Lots of laughing and love</i>
<i>and confiding in each other.</i>

961
01:00:47,269 --> 01:00:49,980
[Jackie] Okay, I'm going out in New York.

962
01:00:50,188 --> 01:00:52,566
And we're going to buy some art,
come on, let's go.

963
01:00:52,649 --> 01:00:53,859
[Oscar] Then we can have lunch.

964
01:00:53,984 --> 01:00:56,486
Oh, I might have lunch
at the Four Seasons.

965
01:00:58,572 --> 01:00:59,739
[Rory]<i> He was so proud of her.</i>

966
01:00:59,823 --> 01:01:03,869
<i>He was so proud of who she had become</i>
<i>and how she was managing that success.</i>

967
01:01:04,452 --> 01:01:05,954
[indistinct chatter]

968
01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:09,207
[Joan] He was so important in her life.

969
01:01:09,583 --> 01:01:15,380
He was the family man,
he was her mentor, he was her lover.

970
01:01:17,174 --> 01:01:19,509
[Laura] I would come to the house,
meet them at the house and then go

971
01:01:19,593 --> 01:01:21,595
with them with wherever we were going.

972
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:26,099
And every single time
he would walk to the bottom of the stairs

973
01:01:26,558 --> 01:01:29,728
and she would say, "Okay, I'm ready,"
and she would be at the top of the…

974
01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,022
…stairs and he would just look at her
and he'd be like,

975
01:01:32,147 --> 01:01:33,607
"You are so beautiful. Look…"

976
01:01:33,732 --> 01:01:36,526
"…how gorgeous your mother looks,
absolutely gorgeous."

977
01:01:36,818 --> 01:01:38,445
-Every…
-…single time.

978
01:01:38,528 --> 01:01:41,198
Whatever she wore, because he adored her.

979
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,618
-[Oscar talking indistinctly]
-Bye, Oscar.

980
01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:46,620
-[laughing]
-[indistinct chatter]

981
01:01:46,703 --> 01:01:49,039
[Oscar] Doesn't she look just beautiful,
my God.

982
01:01:50,957 --> 01:01:53,585
-[soft music playing]
-[insects chirping]

983
01:01:57,297 --> 01:02:00,675
You know, in any family,
there's always going to be

984
01:02:00,759 --> 01:02:03,345
you know, a little bit of nibbling
and so on and…

985
01:02:03,511 --> 01:02:05,055
[scoffs] …so what?

986
01:02:05,138 --> 01:02:09,559
You know, sibling rivalry,
it spurs you on.

987
01:02:10,936 --> 01:02:17,400
I mean, it's very simple,
you know, Joan was a big Hollywood star,

988
01:02:17,817 --> 01:02:20,153
um, and Jackie was a writer.

989
01:02:20,237 --> 01:02:22,530
{\an8}<i>You're finished,</i>
<i>you've lost everything.</i>

990
01:02:22,614 --> 01:02:24,741
{\an8}<i>And I now own this house.</i>

991
01:02:24,824 --> 01:02:29,329
{\an8}<i>-This house, are you insane?</i>
<i>-Oh, no. I'm perfectly sane.</i>

992
01:02:29,412 --> 01:02:35,126
<i>So take this junk and your blonde tramp</i>
<i>and get out of my home.</i>

993
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:36,878
-[wind blowing]
-[laughing]

994
01:02:36,962 --> 01:02:40,006
She likes to call herself
a female Harold Robbins

995
01:02:40,090 --> 01:02:41,758
or the Harold Robbins for women.

996
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:45,262
Some people call her admiringly
the queen of flash and trash

997
01:02:45,345 --> 01:02:48,014
and she joins us this morning, and we're
lucky to have you, Joan Collins, welcome.

998
01:02:48,431 --> 01:02:49,933
-[Jackie] It's Jackie.
-[host] Jackie…

999
01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:51,726
-[laughs] Joan is…
-[host] Joan was here last week.

1000
01:02:51,810 --> 01:02:52,978
Joan was here last week.

1001
01:02:53,103 --> 01:02:57,774
And then Jackie comes into Hollywood
and becomes the queen of Hollywood.

1002
01:02:58,191 --> 01:02:59,818
Can't be easy for Joan either.

1003
01:03:01,069 --> 01:03:03,905
It is often stated that you
and your sister, Joan Collins,

1004
01:03:03,989 --> 01:03:06,241
-the prominent actress from <i>Dynasty…</i>
-Yeah. Right.

1005
01:03:06,741 --> 01:03:07,993
…don't get along and are feuding.

1006
01:03:08,076 --> 01:03:09,619
In fact, we've had it said here
on this program--

1007
01:03:09,703 --> 01:03:12,414
Yeah, I want to talk to you about that.
[laughs]

1008
01:03:12,497 --> 01:03:17,794
-But we're the best of friends.
-I had a couple of relationships,

1009
01:03:18,295 --> 01:03:21,339
a marriage and a long-- And a boyfriend

1010
01:03:21,506 --> 01:03:25,135
that Jackie loathed both of them
and they both loathed her.

1011
01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:27,220
So it was kind of difficult.

1012
01:03:27,762 --> 01:03:28,805
[indistinct chatter]

1013
01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:33,268
We saw each other,
but it was slightly cool.

1014
01:03:35,812 --> 01:03:42,360
And then, when I got offered
two million dollars to write two books,

1015
01:03:43,361 --> 01:03:44,863
you know, you don't turn that down.

1016
01:03:45,196 --> 01:03:47,782
[Larry] <i>Prime Time,</i>
published by Simon and Schuster.

1017
01:03:48,033 --> 01:03:51,077
Why a novel?
I thought your sister owns fiction.

1018
01:03:51,202 --> 01:03:54,748
Well, yes, she did, but I think
there's possibly room for both of us.

1019
01:03:54,831 --> 01:03:56,249
I started writing this…

1020
01:03:56,333 --> 01:03:59,836
She would say, "Oh, my sister,
my God, she's looking for something."

1021
01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:01,963
"She's writing a book now,
for God's sake."

1022
01:04:02,297 --> 01:04:04,257
[Larry] How good
a storyteller do you think she is?

1023
01:04:04,341 --> 01:04:07,385
I've no idea, Larry, I'm going to discover
along with everybody else.

1024
01:04:08,386 --> 01:04:10,764
Are you excited about--
How do you feel about that?

1025
01:04:11,264 --> 01:04:12,265
<i>Oh, fine.</i>

1026
01:04:13,391 --> 01:04:19,272
She said,
"How would Joan like it if I got a job in…

1027
01:04:20,190 --> 01:04:21,983
a television series.

1028
01:04:22,067 --> 01:04:25,236
So I think Jackie felt that writing
was her territory,

1029
01:04:25,362 --> 01:04:29,366
it's where she
became successful and made her name.

1030
01:04:29,699 --> 01:04:34,579
And, um,
she worked tirelessly at being Jackie.

1031
01:04:36,414 --> 01:04:40,960
I don't think she ever said, "Well,
not today, I'm too tired," you know.

1032
01:04:41,044 --> 01:04:44,923
They're so different, the two sisters.

1033
01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:48,927
And don't forget I came
from the fashion world,

1034
01:04:49,427 --> 01:04:51,137
and so I'm accustomed to bitches.

1035
01:04:51,304 --> 01:04:54,224
There's always a certain amount of, um…

1036
01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:58,311
you know, "Maybe you
are stepping on my territory,"

1037
01:04:58,395 --> 01:05:00,063
but it's certainly not intentional.

1038
01:05:00,188 --> 01:05:02,565
Joan got a lot of money from non-books.

1039
01:05:03,483 --> 01:05:06,486
There was a big issue as to whether
she'd written and published her own book,

1040
01:05:06,611 --> 01:05:09,739
which I think Jackie
was very secretly happy about.

1041
01:05:12,283 --> 01:05:15,870
So, you know, sisters are sisters,
I mean, siblings are siblings.

1042
01:05:16,704 --> 01:05:19,457
She didn't like it, but I don't think--

1043
01:05:19,582 --> 01:05:22,001
She never used the word "betrayal"
and I'm not sure that's the right word

1044
01:05:22,085 --> 01:05:24,087
and I can't think
of the right word to use.

1045
01:05:24,963 --> 01:05:28,591
She dealt with it the way
that she knew best, you know.

1046
01:05:30,844 --> 01:05:33,847
[Jackie] <i>"Abigail and Primrose were</i>
<i>as unalike as two sisters could be."</i>

1047
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:35,640
<i>"They couldn't stand each other."</i>

1048
01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:39,561
<i>"Abigail was pushy and grasping,</i>
<i>she loved entertaining and big parties."</i>

1049
01:05:39,686 --> 01:05:41,312
<i>"A true Hollywood princess."</i>

1050
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,693
<i>"Primrose, the younger</i>
<i>and prettier of the two</i>

1051
01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:49,988
<i>had opted for a different kind of life</i>
<i>where she was able to raise her children</i>

1052
01:05:50,071 --> 01:05:52,532
<i>in what she considered</i>
<i>a more real atmosphere."</i>

1053
01:05:54,284 --> 01:05:55,994
<i>"Who knew that they</i>
<i>were destined to become</i>

1054
01:05:56,077 --> 01:05:58,538
<i>two of the most powerful women</i>
<i>in Hollywood."</i>

1055
01:06:01,332 --> 01:06:04,627
[Tracy] <i>Whatever she felt in private</i>
<i>she just kept to herself.</i>

1056
01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:11,759
{\an8}<i>Everything that she stood</i>
<i>for was magical and wonderful and sparkly.</i>

1057
01:06:13,303 --> 01:06:15,847
{\an8}<i>But real life does go on.</i>

1058
01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:24,981
{\an8}[Jackie] And here we have…

1059
01:06:26,733 --> 01:06:29,027
[TV playing indistinctly]

1060
01:06:31,404 --> 01:06:35,074
[Tiffany] We'd been here
about six or seven years

1061
01:06:35,366 --> 01:06:38,703
when our dad
was diagnosed with prostate cancer.

1062
01:06:40,788 --> 01:06:44,125
I think it just came out of nowhere,
I think everybody was sort of shocked

1063
01:06:44,209 --> 01:06:49,589
and, well, they didn't really tell
anybody that he was sick and, um…

1064
01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:52,550
It was just-- It was very sad,
they weren't expecting it.

1065
01:06:52,634 --> 01:06:56,137
It was in the late '80s,
she was at the height of her fame

1066
01:06:56,596 --> 01:06:59,516
and I think it was hard for all of us.

1067
01:07:01,267 --> 01:07:05,355
[Laura] <i>I think in many ways</i>
<i>she didn't know how to cope with it.</i>

1068
01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:12,195
<i>She just thought if she carried on</i>
<i>with her life, it just wasn't there.</i>

1069
01:07:13,988 --> 01:07:15,865
<i>And they decided to build a new home.</i>

1070
01:07:15,949 --> 01:07:17,283
[Jackie] The new house.

1071
01:07:19,536 --> 01:07:21,579
[Tracy] <i>The whole time</i>
<i>that he was living with cancer,</i>

1072
01:07:21,663 --> 01:07:23,414
<i>he was working on this project.</i>

1073
01:07:23,581 --> 01:07:24,874
-[indistinct chatter]
-[laughing]

1074
01:07:24,958 --> 01:07:27,877
<i>He was very focused</i>
<i>on creating this house.</i>

1075
01:07:27,961 --> 01:07:30,588
<i>He was working with the architects,</i>
<i>he was going to the site.</i>

1076
01:07:33,758 --> 01:07:40,515
[Barbara] <i>He was just so intent on getting</i>
<i>that house finished for Jackie.</i>

1077
01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:42,475
[somber music playing]

1078
01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:48,982
[Tiffany] The thing is, with my dad,
he didn't want to go anywhere,

1079
01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,693
so it was really hard
for him because… [sniffing]

1080
01:07:51,776 --> 01:07:54,445
…he didn't want to leave us
and he didn't want to leave her

1081
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:58,992
and he just didn't want to go anywhere,
so it was just difficult.

1082
01:07:59,117 --> 01:08:00,785
[Oscar] Jackie,
let me take a picture of you.

1083
01:08:00,868 --> 01:08:02,412
[Jackie] No, no, no.

1084
01:08:02,495 --> 01:08:04,163
-Come on, give me the camera.
-[Jackie] No.

1085
01:08:06,291 --> 01:08:09,335
[Tiffany] <i>So they planned out every</i>
<i>element of this home.</i>

1086
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,798
<i>It was quite beautiful,</i>
<i>it was sort of almost museum-like.</i>

1087
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,221
<i>That was her fantasy.</i>

1088
01:08:21,306 --> 01:08:24,684
<i>You know, it was like</i>
<i>he had created it for her.</i>

1089
01:08:24,767 --> 01:08:26,102
[indistinct chatter]

1090
01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:30,023
<i>It was literally just ready.</i>

1091
01:08:31,733 --> 01:08:34,277
<i>But, you know, there came</i>
<i>a point where he was actually too weak.</i>

1092
01:08:37,614 --> 01:08:39,866
<i>Dad died before they could move in.</i>

1093
01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:49,584
[birds chirping]

1094
01:08:50,126 --> 01:08:54,714
The phone rang in the morning
and it was Jackie and she said…

1095
01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:58,926
And she was sobbing,
and she said, "Oscar is gone."

1096
01:08:59,594 --> 01:09:01,220
And I started sobbing too.

1097
01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:08,603
[Tracy] <i>She really</i>
<i>didn't deal with it very well.</i>

1098
01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:16,694
<i>She just retreated pretty much</i>
<i>to staying in her study and writing.</i>

1099
01:09:16,778 --> 01:09:18,112
[hums]

1100
01:09:21,407 --> 01:09:24,160
-[clears throat]
-[Laura] <i>Jackie, um…</i>

1101
01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:27,872
<i>sort of pulled up the drawbridge.</i>

1102
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:33,002
<i>She was not going to shed any tears.</i>

1103
01:09:39,217 --> 01:09:41,010
[somber music playing]

1104
01:09:44,847 --> 01:09:48,476
<i>She couldn't do that,</i>
<i>once the facade would crack,</i>

1105
01:09:49,394 --> 01:09:51,562
<i>you know, it unleashes the floodgates.</i>

1106
01:09:55,358 --> 01:09:58,945
<i>She only continued</i>
<i>to be the Jackie she created.</i>

1107
01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:03,157
Good morning, Nick.
Good morning, Maryanne.

1108
01:10:04,826 --> 01:10:06,452
[somber music playing]

1109
01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:15,837
[Rory] <i>She had learned</i>
<i>how to survive, and for her…</i>

1110
01:10:18,589 --> 01:10:21,426
<i>what was always there for her,</i>
<i>you know, was Jackie Collins.</i>

1111
01:10:21,509 --> 01:10:23,052
[audience applauding]

1112
01:10:25,012 --> 01:10:26,931
How are you coping with Oscar's death?

1113
01:10:27,515 --> 01:10:29,934
Well, you know,
I think that when somebody dies, you--

1114
01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:32,103
You have your grieving time,

1115
01:10:32,186 --> 01:10:34,856
and then you have
to seize your life again.

1116
01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:36,482
[host] How long does
the grieving time last?

1117
01:10:37,066 --> 01:10:40,111
Everybody is different, you know,
some people will take much longer.

1118
01:10:40,361 --> 01:10:41,904
Is it difficult for you to carry on?

1119
01:10:41,988 --> 01:10:44,615
Well, you know,
when somebody is sick for a long time,

1120
01:10:44,699 --> 01:10:48,119
you learn to accept the inevitable.
You know it's going to happen.

1121
01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:52,373
[Melody] Times were changing
and her books were selling,

1122
01:10:52,623 --> 01:10:56,627
not at the rate of<i> Hollywood Wives,</i>
I can't deny that,

1123
01:10:56,794 --> 01:10:59,130
but they still are out there.

1124
01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:04,802
It's just that we changed as a world.

1125
01:11:05,845 --> 01:11:08,639
Because I knew
I was coming on your program today…

1126
01:11:08,723 --> 01:11:10,892
-[Jackie] Yes.
-…I bought a book yesterday

1127
01:11:10,975 --> 01:11:13,603
and I read the first paragraph

1128
01:11:13,811 --> 01:11:17,273
and I felt I am demeaning myself
reading any further.

1129
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:18,483
What book was it?

1130
01:11:18,566 --> 01:11:20,902
This is called, uh, <i>Lovers and Gamblers.</i>

1131
01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:22,779
Now, is that the only one
of mine you've ever read?

1132
01:11:22,862 --> 01:11:25,156
Well, there is one left in my house once

1133
01:11:25,281 --> 01:11:28,117
and I'm afraid
it was put out for the dust.

1134
01:11:28,201 --> 01:11:30,995
The thing that very much worries me
about your books is the sex

1135
01:11:31,078 --> 01:11:32,747
that your strong women are enjoying,

1136
01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:35,458
which they're enjoying
on a very kind of passive level.

1137
01:11:35,541 --> 01:11:37,710
They're enjoying
being brutalized and dominated,

1138
01:11:37,835 --> 01:11:40,630
-which is very unlike--
-That absolutely, absolutely ridiculous,

1139
01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:44,467
because as a matter of fact in my books
the woman always comes out on top.

1140
01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:47,470
She did try to change with it, she knew.

1141
01:11:47,637 --> 01:11:50,097
-I have read <i>Hollywood Husbands.</i>
-[Jackie] Yes.

1142
01:11:50,181 --> 01:11:53,392
And the beginning,
the first chapter is disgusting.

1143
01:11:53,476 --> 01:11:57,104
I'm not--
Really disgusting, because it's all…

1144
01:11:57,563 --> 01:12:01,108
She was repeating herself a lot,
as you can see even from her titles.

1145
01:12:02,401 --> 01:12:08,491
And I think the public had had as much
of that information as they wanted.

1146
01:12:08,574 --> 01:12:12,620
The problem is that all of these women
that you portray are tough cookies,

1147
01:12:12,703 --> 01:12:14,455
all right, and they do get somewhere.

1148
01:12:14,539 --> 01:12:18,626
My objection is that they're all also
the most beautiful women in the world.

1149
01:12:18,793 --> 01:12:21,254
[woman] Jackie, you're writing
to a formula, and, I mean,

1150
01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:24,590
there must be loads of people turning out
this kind of formulaic stuff,

1151
01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:28,010
trying to get it published.
But I do think that, sorry…

1152
01:12:28,094 --> 01:12:30,805
You know, I do think
that perhaps your name,

1153
01:12:30,888 --> 01:12:34,433
your Hollywood connections etcetera
must have helped you to get published.

1154
01:12:34,559 --> 01:12:36,310
I'm sorry, I think it's utter bilge.

1155
01:12:36,644 --> 01:12:40,523
I mean, this whole idea about having
positive role models for women

1156
01:12:40,606 --> 01:12:42,066
-I think is total crap.
-[Jackie] Yeah.

1157
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:44,318
-[host] Are you a feminist?
-Yeah, of course I am, yes.

1158
01:12:44,402 --> 01:12:45,945
-[host] She's a feminist?
-Yes, of course I am.

1159
01:12:46,028 --> 01:12:49,949
I wouldn't say
that you're a feminist in any way at all.

1160
01:12:50,032 --> 01:12:51,701
She's making millions of dollars…

1161
01:12:51,784 --> 01:12:54,161
-[woman] But sex sells.
-…through abuse.

1162
01:12:54,370 --> 01:13:00,334
[Tracy] <i>Her particular brand of, you know,</i>
<i>feminism was a bit behind the times.</i>

1163
01:13:02,211 --> 01:13:05,840
[Melody] The '90s were hard,
and it was kind of mean.

1164
01:13:06,716 --> 01:13:09,802
You took her, you wanted her,
now you don't want her.

1165
01:13:11,929 --> 01:13:14,015
So she sat down and she wrote.

1166
01:13:16,767 --> 01:13:21,522
But eventually she became completely
confused and lost.

1167
01:13:22,857 --> 01:13:24,734
And it was like she was Lucky.

1168
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:28,029
She was always Lucky Santangelo.

1169
01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:31,407
And she went on the rides

1170
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:35,786
and the characters took her
on these trips that were crazy.

1171
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:37,788
They were just nuts, some of them.

1172
01:13:37,914 --> 01:13:40,666
But they took her
and that's where she ended up.

1173
01:13:42,501 --> 01:13:44,253
[Jackie] <i>"Lucky was deeply depressed."</i>

1174
01:13:46,255 --> 01:13:49,508
<i>"She took a long drive to the desert</i>
<i>for hours, thinking about it."</i>

1175
01:13:50,801 --> 01:13:52,470
<i>"What was she going to do?"</i>

1176
01:13:53,137 --> 01:13:54,680
[slow music playing]

1177
01:13:59,101 --> 01:14:03,397
<i>And then she started,</i>
<i>quite a lot later, I think,</i>

1178
01:14:03,773 --> 01:14:05,066
<i>going out with Frank.</i>

1179
01:14:06,233 --> 01:14:08,611
-[Jackie] <i>Darling, say something nice.</i>
<i>-I love you, J.</i>

1180
01:14:11,238 --> 01:14:14,116
[Rory] <i>Frank was this kind</i>
<i>of like single guy around town,</i>

1181
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,953
<i>he'd never been married,</i>
<i>always had lots of girlfriends.</i>

1182
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:21,457
He was one of those guys that was always
smoking cigars and playing cards

1183
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:25,711
with the boys and taking bets
and he basically did what he liked.

1184
01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:30,299
I knew him through relationships
with James Mason's daughter,

1185
01:14:30,883 --> 01:14:35,554
with Joanna Carson,
many different, uh, "girlfriends".

1186
01:14:36,639 --> 01:14:39,308
He was not exactly a gigolo.

1187
01:14:41,978 --> 01:14:45,022
[Jackie] <i>"With great care,</i>
<i>he pushed her down onto the couch."</i>

1188
01:14:46,482 --> 01:14:49,819
<i>"'Get your clothes off, I mean now.'"</i>

1189
01:14:51,070 --> 01:14:54,407
[interviewer] So what was it about Frank
that Jackie was so attracted to?

1190
01:14:56,242 --> 01:14:57,493
Beats me.

1191
01:14:58,661 --> 01:15:00,746
[Jackie] Darling,
would you wait on me hand and foot?

1192
01:15:00,955 --> 01:15:02,164
Absolutely not.

1193
01:15:02,248 --> 01:15:04,250
[Rory] It was a time
when our lives were really moving on,

1194
01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:05,876
so we were distracted.

1195
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,713
And, you known, he was like a character
from one of her books.

1196
01:15:08,796 --> 01:15:12,107
He kind of, you know,
came in and was like a character

1197
01:15:12,188 --> 01:15:13,701
-from one of her books.
-From one of her books

1198
01:15:13,832 --> 01:15:15,052
Literally had sort of stepped out of…

1199
01:15:15,219 --> 01:15:16,095
[all] One of her books.

1200
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:22,184
[overlapping chatter]

1201
01:15:22,268 --> 01:15:25,771
[Jackie] <i>"There was no getting rid</i>
<i>of him and he pursued her relentlessly."</i>

1202
01:15:26,022 --> 01:15:30,151
<i>"Sterling silver roses every day,</i>
<i>cases of crystal champagne,</i>

1203
01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:31,527
<i>Jars of the best caviar."</i>

1204
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:33,446
{\an8}-Good morning, Frank
-Good morning, J.

1205
01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:34,488
{\an8}[Jackie] How are you, darling?

1206
01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:36,490
{\an8}-I'm feeling wonderful.
-[Jackie] Good.

1207
01:15:36,574 --> 01:15:38,993
{\an8}It's a beautiful day
in Albany this morning.

1208
01:15:39,994 --> 01:15:43,956
And I just arrived
and everyone is having breakfast.

1209
01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:45,916
And I love you, darling.

1210
01:15:46,042 --> 01:15:47,835
I wanted her to be with somebody else,

1211
01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,046
I didn't necessarily want her
to be with Frank.

1212
01:15:50,129 --> 01:15:53,007
You know, he was nice,
he was very charming,

1213
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:56,510
but I didn't like him.

1214
01:15:56,969 --> 01:16:02,933
And he was the first man that I'd seen her
be with or involved with who I felt…

1215
01:16:04,518 --> 01:16:08,064
you know, didn't feel wholly comfortable
with her success.

1216
01:16:08,147 --> 01:16:09,398
[indistinct chatter]

1217
01:16:18,157 --> 01:16:21,243
[sighs] You want me
to answer what was Frank like.

1218
01:16:22,203 --> 01:16:24,580
-Isn't that what you want?
-[interviewer] Yes.

1219
01:16:24,914 --> 01:16:27,166
-[birds singing]
-[wind blowing]

1220
01:16:31,128 --> 01:16:36,342
Well, he was a gambler, a drugger,
an alcoholic, and an abuser.

1221
01:16:37,927 --> 01:16:40,054
That pretty much tells you.

1222
01:16:40,137 --> 01:16:41,430
[Jackie] All right, darlings.

1223
01:16:41,514 --> 01:16:45,101
Here we are at the wonderful,
beautiful Colombe d'Or

1224
01:16:45,601 --> 01:16:49,021
-and we're having a wonderful time.
-[Jackie] Okay, Frank, cut to the chase.

1225
01:16:49,105 --> 01:16:51,065
-[all laughing]
-What else do you want me to say?

1226
01:16:51,148 --> 01:16:53,567
-Come on. Slowly, slowly.
-[Jackie] Oh, slowly. I'm sorry.

1227
01:16:53,734 --> 01:16:58,072
If Frank felt slighted in any way,
he would just…

1228
01:16:59,365 --> 01:17:00,491
go berserk.

1229
01:17:00,574 --> 01:17:02,159
[music playing over stereo]

1230
01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:04,662
This out of control rage.

1231
01:17:05,329 --> 01:17:07,832
And with it all,
he could be quite charming.

1232
01:17:08,582 --> 01:17:10,626
That's always the trap, isn't it?

1233
01:17:13,045 --> 01:17:17,174
There was a tremendous amount
of shouting and he did become,

1234
01:17:17,383 --> 01:17:19,426
um, extremely controlling.

1235
01:17:20,094 --> 01:17:21,303
Jackelina.

1236
01:17:21,846 --> 01:17:25,683
[Joan] He would lash out
at her in a furious temper.

1237
01:17:26,225 --> 01:17:31,689
And she put up with it because,
I think, maybe she felt guilty?

1238
01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:34,984
Why does one put up with anything,
you know, women put up with a lot.

1239
01:17:35,526 --> 01:17:36,652
[Jackie] Okay.

1240
01:17:37,361 --> 01:17:39,488
[humming] Tell me if I walk into the sea.

1241
01:17:39,572 --> 01:17:42,116
Jackie, you're about ready
to walk into the ocean.

1242
01:17:43,242 --> 01:17:44,743
[Jackie] Did we have a nice dinner?

1243
01:17:46,996 --> 01:17:53,419
That this woman who wrote about power
and strength and strong women

1244
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:55,754
could get involved with this man,

1245
01:17:56,380 --> 01:18:01,218
it's very difficult for people
who love Jackie to watch this.

1246
01:18:01,302 --> 01:18:03,470
-[indistinct chatter]
-[Frank] Okay, we're recording.

1247
01:18:03,554 --> 01:18:07,808
-[Tita] <i>I mean, I just don't get it.</i>
-[Frank] Jackie, all right, say something.

1248
01:18:08,142 --> 01:18:11,937
This is Kir Royale, we're in the south
of France, we are at the…

1249
01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,607
-We have made pests of ourselves already.
-[Frank laughing]

1250
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:17,985
-We've made pests of ourselves already.
-Here, here!

1251
01:18:19,862 --> 01:18:22,615
[Tracy] <i>You can be as strong as you like,</i>
<i>you can have this amazing career,</i>

1252
01:18:22,698 --> 01:18:25,868
<i>you can have earned as much money</i>
<i>as you could ever have wanted</i>

1253
01:18:25,951 --> 01:18:28,078
<i>and have a great family</i>
<i>and everything going for you.</i>

1254
01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:30,331
[Frank laughing]
Roger, you’re terrific.

1255
01:18:30,497 --> 01:18:33,542
But, you know you can be 60 or 70,
and still fall for somebody,

1256
01:18:33,626 --> 01:18:38,130
because somehow you think
you're going to maybe replicate something

1257
01:18:38,214 --> 01:18:41,800
that happened in your early years
and get a different outcome.

1258
01:18:41,884 --> 01:18:43,594
[somber music playing]

1259
01:18:52,561 --> 01:18:54,521
[Tiffany] It got bad when he got sick.

1260
01:18:55,731 --> 01:18:59,151
That's when the tides turned
that he was mad at-- It was everybody.

1261
01:18:59,235 --> 01:19:01,987
And so I know
that was a particularly tough time.

1262
01:19:03,197 --> 01:19:05,157
[narrator]
<i>"He was furious and despairing."</i>

1263
01:19:05,991 --> 01:19:09,036
<i>"He grabbed my arm and pulled me roughly</i>
<i>out of the doctor’s office."</i>

1264
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:11,872
<i>"'Frank, what's happened?'"</i>

1265
01:19:12,665 --> 01:19:15,542
<i>"'Lung cancer, inoperable.'"</i>

1266
01:19:15,626 --> 01:19:17,127
[dramatic music playing]

1267
01:19:17,211 --> 01:19:22,174
[Tita] He was furious that she
was writing books while he was ill.

1268
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:26,595
She would write in her dressing room
in the middle of the night.

1269
01:19:26,679 --> 01:19:29,098
She would get up
when Frank was asleep

1270
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,434
and she would write
when he didn't know about it.

1271
01:19:32,518 --> 01:19:34,061
[distant siren wailing]

1272
01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,817
We asked Jackie,
"Were there guns in the house?"

1273
01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:43,821
And Jackie said, "Yes,
there had been, but they'd been moved."

1274
01:19:44,071 --> 01:19:46,365
Well, that's not comforting.

1275
01:19:47,866 --> 01:19:49,910
[interviewer] And why
were you worried about guns?

1276
01:19:49,994 --> 01:19:52,079
[Tita] Well, obviously why.

1277
01:19:52,371 --> 01:19:56,208
I mean, why are you afraid
of guns being around?

1278
01:19:56,292 --> 01:19:58,168
You're afraid someone might use them.

1279
01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:04,008
I mean, afraid he'd say, "Well,
if I'm going, you're going with me."

1280
01:20:04,091 --> 01:20:06,135
She lives
in her fantasy house in Beverly Hills

1281
01:20:06,218 --> 01:20:09,346
and has sold more
than 200 million books worldwide.

1282
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:11,598
But Jackie Collins told our Mark Steines,

1283
01:20:11,682 --> 01:20:15,394
that the success means nothing
when compared to the love she lost.

1284
01:20:15,602 --> 01:20:17,438
[tense music playing]

1285
01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:28,032
[drum beating]

1286
01:20:32,453 --> 01:20:34,413
[Jackie] <i>"The funeral was a grand affair."</i>

1287
01:20:34,538 --> 01:20:36,040
[instrumental music playing]

1288
01:20:39,168 --> 01:20:43,380
<i>"He was buried in a solid bronze casket</i>
<i>that cost over 20,000 dollars."</i>

1289
01:20:46,633 --> 01:20:50,596
<i>"Lucky opened her eyes,</i>
<i>it was no good dwelling on the past."</i>

1290
01:20:50,679 --> 01:20:53,349
-[somber music playing]
<i>-"She felt remarkably calm."</i>

1291
01:20:56,393 --> 01:21:02,274
<i>"She smiled wanly and she winked.</i>
<i>A true, ballsy, Lucky Santangelo wink."</i>

1292
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:09,531
[Jennifer] I worked
with Jackie starting in 2008.

1293
01:21:10,366 --> 01:21:12,159
She had made it very clear to me

1294
01:21:12,242 --> 01:21:14,912
that she never wanted
to get married again.

1295
01:21:15,412 --> 01:21:19,917
She didn't want to pick socks off
of her bedroom floor anymore for anyone.

1296
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,753
Or do laundry, or cook. She was done.

1297
01:21:23,045 --> 01:21:24,755
She was fine if someone
who wanted to come over

1298
01:21:24,838 --> 01:21:28,801
and spend the night and then leave.
And that's really where she was at.

1299
01:21:28,884 --> 01:21:30,928
-[indistinct chatter]
-[camera shutters clicking]

1300
01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:32,429
[Jackie] <i>"How does it feel to be back?"</i>

1301
01:21:33,222 --> 01:21:34,473
<i>"Pretty damn good."</i>

1302
01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:39,269
<i>"I have a story to tell you.</i>
<i>I want you to sit down and hear me out."</i>

1303
01:21:43,690 --> 01:21:44,858
She was the boss.

1304
01:21:49,488 --> 01:21:52,199
[Tiffany] She immersed herself
in her work as ever.

1305
01:21:53,534 --> 01:21:57,746
But at that point, she'd been
experiencing this foot pain

1306
01:21:57,830 --> 01:22:01,708
and was having a lot of trouble walking,
like she could not walk.

1307
01:22:02,042 --> 01:22:03,585
And I kept on saying to her,

1308
01:22:03,752 --> 01:22:06,422
"We've got to get you to the doctor,
can we please go to the doctor?"

1309
01:22:06,505 --> 01:22:08,882
She said, "Yes,
I'll go next week, I'll go next week."

1310
01:22:09,049 --> 01:22:11,051
Tiff started saying,
"I've got to try and," you know,

1311
01:22:11,135 --> 01:22:12,428
"we've got to do something about this."

1312
01:22:12,511 --> 01:22:14,027
"We've got to try
and get her to a doctor."

1313
01:22:14,118 --> 01:22:15,722
And she eventually agreed.

1314
01:22:16,181 --> 01:22:19,643
And my mother is sitting next to me,
and I will never forget this,

1315
01:22:19,726 --> 01:22:23,063
I mean, she looked like
a teenager that had been caught.

1316
01:22:23,147 --> 01:22:27,317
She was like, "Tiffany,
you're going to be so mad at me,"

1317
01:22:27,401 --> 01:22:29,987
and I looked at her and I said,
"What? What?"

1318
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:32,948
And she goes, "I've got a lump."

1319
01:22:33,407 --> 01:22:37,244
I said, "Where?"
And she goes, "In my breast."

1320
01:22:37,661 --> 01:22:42,416
And I just remember,
like, my whole world, like, crashing.

1321
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:44,960
So she'd had a lump and we don't know.

1322
01:22:45,043 --> 01:22:48,338
She says two years and I don't know
if it was longer than that or not,

1323
01:22:48,422 --> 01:22:51,967
but she just hadn't, you know, she just…

1324
01:22:52,468 --> 01:22:55,596
She thought
that she could defy it somehow or another,

1325
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:57,389
and until it caught up with her.

1326
01:22:57,848 --> 01:23:01,852
So it was, you know, it was just…

1327
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:05,856
[interviewer] Pretty shocking.

1328
01:23:07,024 --> 01:23:08,066
Yeah.

1329
01:23:11,361 --> 01:23:12,613
[somber music playing]

1330
01:23:14,740 --> 01:23:17,075
[Tiffany] <i>She said</i>
<i>she was very sorry that,</i>

1331
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:18,869
<i>you know,</i>
<i>that she hadn't said anything</i>

1332
01:23:18,952 --> 01:23:24,500
<i>-and she asked us not to tell anybody.</i>
-[indistinct chatter]

1333
01:23:24,583 --> 01:23:26,877
<i>It felt like my father all over again.</i>

1334
01:23:27,377 --> 01:23:29,588
<i>They didn't really tell</i>
<i>anybody that he was sick.</i>

1335
01:23:31,465 --> 01:23:36,136
[Joan] <i>Daddy said, "You're not to mention</i>
<i>that she has got cancer."</i>

1336
01:23:36,220 --> 01:23:38,263
<i>"We don't use that word."</i>

1337
01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:47,689
[Tracy] Because of her past experiences…

1338
01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:52,069
there was that bit
of her that transcended

1339
01:23:53,654 --> 01:23:56,198
what she may have been concerned about.

1340
01:23:57,407 --> 01:23:59,701
You know,
things had been so tough before this.

1341
01:24:01,453 --> 01:24:03,997
And I think her,
sort of, traumatic experiences

1342
01:24:04,081 --> 01:24:05,999
kept coming back in to play.

1343
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:07,376
I love you.

1344
01:24:15,217 --> 01:24:17,594
[Tracy] She sort of couldn't write it out,
so she could just say,

1345
01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:21,181
"Right, I'm going to be fabulous,
I'm going to live my life."

1346
01:24:21,265 --> 01:24:24,059
"I don't really want to know
if there's anything wrong with me."

1347
01:24:33,902 --> 01:24:38,949
So, yes, she was vulnerable, um…

1348
01:24:41,493 --> 01:24:47,124
but very much like
her spirit animal of being a cat…

1349
01:24:48,458 --> 01:24:51,336
she clawed her way out of that.

1350
01:24:53,422 --> 01:24:54,673
[upbeat music playing]

1351
01:24:55,382 --> 01:24:58,844
Please welcome the author Jackie Collins.

1352
01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:01,013
[audience applauding, cheering]

1353
01:25:02,848 --> 01:25:03,849
[gasping]

1354
01:25:05,392 --> 01:25:09,146
[Tita] She never stopped smiling,
she never stopped working.

1355
01:25:10,063 --> 01:25:13,650
And I'm so pleased.
Tripped my way onto the set.

1356
01:25:13,734 --> 01:25:14,985
Always like to make an entrance.

1357
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:18,363
It's interesting the choice really
when I look back,

1358
01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:21,950
because then she started
writing<i> Goddess of Vengeance…</i>

1359
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:27,873
-which is a Lucky Santangelo book.
-[upbeat music playing]

1360
01:25:28,582 --> 01:25:30,876
[narrator] <i>"Sitting at the table</i>
<i>was Lucky Santangelo,</i>

1361
01:25:31,335 --> 01:25:34,463
<i>a dark-haired beauty</i>
<i>and business woman supreme</i>

1362
01:25:34,546 --> 01:25:37,299
<i>who'd experienced her own share</i>
<i>of controversial headlines</i>

1363
01:25:37,424 --> 01:25:39,134
<i>and scandals over the years."</i>

1364
01:25:40,344 --> 01:25:44,806
<i>"'Come on, Lucky,' Ina said,</i>
<i>'Look at everything you've accomplished.'</i>

1365
01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:47,768
<i>'Admit it, you're a goddamn superwoman.'"</i>

1366
01:25:49,686 --> 01:25:50,687
<i>"'No.'"</i>

1367
01:25:51,855 --> 01:25:55,067
<i>"'I'm a woman who took chances</i>
<i>every step of the way.'"</i>

1368
01:25:56,735 --> 01:25:59,154
<i>"'I had to fight for my independence.'"</i>

1369
01:26:01,114 --> 01:26:04,076
<i>"'Believe me, it wasn't easy.'"</i>

1370
01:26:07,913 --> 01:26:13,752
She said,
"I can't just sit here and wait to die."

1371
01:26:15,379 --> 01:26:17,756
She said, "I need to go to London."

1372
01:26:18,924 --> 01:26:20,592
I said, "Okay, we're going."

1373
01:26:23,512 --> 01:26:25,472
She knew it would be her last trip,

1374
01:26:25,764 --> 01:26:28,475
and I think she wanted
to see London one last time.

1375
01:26:31,603 --> 01:26:34,398
[narrator]<i> "Lucky smiled a slow,</i>
<i>dangerous smile."</i>

1376
01:26:35,774 --> 01:26:37,317
<i>"Let the show begin."</i>

1377
01:26:39,653 --> 01:26:42,781
<i>"This could turn out</i>
<i>to be quite interesting."</i>

1378
01:26:42,864 --> 01:26:44,074
[dramatic music playing]

1379
01:26:45,367 --> 01:26:50,872
[Tracy] She was told, you know,
she had two or three weeks left.

1380
01:26:54,251 --> 01:26:56,461
She really needed to come home,

1381
01:26:56,545 --> 01:26:58,547
you know,
she needed to come back to London

1382
01:26:58,630 --> 01:27:01,717
and she needed
to say goodbye to everybody.

1383
01:27:04,386 --> 01:27:08,557
[Joan] We had a, uh, lunch at the hotel,

1384
01:27:09,266 --> 01:27:11,476
and she was there with Laura Lizer.

1385
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:18,567
And then she said,
"Now, I have to tell you something."

1386
01:27:19,568 --> 01:27:23,447
Um… "I have stage four breast cancer."

1387
01:27:24,322 --> 01:27:27,159
And I said, "That's not possible."

1388
01:27:32,247 --> 01:27:33,331
[Laura]<i> You know, Joan was like,</i>

1389
01:27:33,415 --> 01:27:36,668
<i>"Okay, well, you're okay though,</i>
<i>right, you're okay?"</i>

1390
01:27:36,752 --> 01:27:38,712
<i>And Jackie said, "Yes, I'm okay."</i>

1391
01:27:39,838 --> 01:27:44,760
And when she went into the bathroom
to get something, I said to Laura,

1392
01:27:44,843 --> 01:27:45,927
"Is she okay?"

1393
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,805
And she said,
"Yes, she's fine, she's fine."

1394
01:27:49,389 --> 01:27:51,141
I said, "She doesn't seem fine,

1395
01:27:51,224 --> 01:27:53,477
she seems a little fragile,
a little shaky."

1396
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:54,770
She said, "She's going to be fine."

1397
01:27:54,936 --> 01:27:56,354
She was hanging on,

1398
01:27:56,563 --> 01:28:00,734
hanging on to every little bit
of strength that she could hang on to

1399
01:28:01,318 --> 01:28:03,779
to live that week in London.

1400
01:28:04,863 --> 01:28:06,990
[indistinct chatter]

1401
01:28:10,952 --> 01:28:12,537
For the first TV show,

1402
01:28:13,455 --> 01:28:17,876
we asked them ahead of time
if they could start with her seated

1403
01:28:18,877 --> 01:28:22,005
and not walk on and sit down.

1404
01:28:24,925 --> 01:28:26,551
[man] <i>And just off</i>
<i>the plane from Hollywood…</i>

1405
01:28:26,635 --> 01:28:28,970
-[woman]<i> It's novelist, Jackie Collins!</i>
-[man]<i> Yeah!</i>

1406
01:28:29,054 --> 01:28:30,847
[audience applauding, cheering]

1407
01:28:32,557 --> 01:28:33,433
Yeah.

1408
01:28:33,558 --> 01:28:36,061
-[man] Lovely to see you again, Jackie.
-[woman] Lovely to have you here.

1409
01:28:36,144 --> 01:28:38,980
Well, it's great to be back,
I love this show, so much fun.

1410
01:28:39,272 --> 01:28:42,692
A few people said, "Jackie looks
a bit weird or a bit thin or a bit odd,"

1411
01:28:42,776 --> 01:28:47,113
but, you know, like, not that well,
but, I mean, she's still, you know…

1412
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:53,954
whole outfit on, you know,
takes an iron will to get up there

1413
01:28:54,037 --> 01:28:55,914
and do that when you feel as bad as that.

1414
01:28:56,248 --> 01:28:58,875
And Lucky is a really,
you know, kick-ass woman.

1415
01:28:58,959 --> 01:29:02,546
I mean, she's strong,
she's got everything she ever wanted

1416
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:03,839
and she does it her way.

1417
01:29:04,381 --> 01:29:07,217
And I think we need more books
with women who do it their way,

1418
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:11,721
who are strong and sexy
and can really control everything,

1419
01:29:11,805 --> 01:29:13,598
-you know, and she does.
-[indistinct chatter]

1420
01:29:13,682 --> 01:29:14,850
[somber music playing]

1421
01:29:21,731 --> 01:29:26,736
In her mind, that was taking
Jackie Collins out for the last time.

1422
01:29:26,820 --> 01:29:28,655
[laughing]

1423
01:29:28,738 --> 01:29:31,241
-[woman 1] That's why I love your books.
-[woman 2] The thing is, I know.

1424
01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:33,410
[woman 3] Talking about the book,
see, I know that you're very good

1425
01:29:33,493 --> 01:29:35,537
-in your research, very meticulous.
-[Jackie] Yes.

1426
01:29:35,620 --> 01:29:38,248
So I need to know, did you check out
all those sexual positions

1427
01:29:38,331 --> 01:29:40,250
-before you wrote the books?
-Absolutely, every one,

1428
01:29:40,333 --> 01:29:42,335
-that's why I'm exhausted.
-[women laughing]

1429
01:29:43,253 --> 01:29:44,504
[somber music playing]

1430
01:29:49,342 --> 01:29:52,846
You know, Jackie, she lived for her work
and she was still working.

1431
01:29:52,929 --> 01:29:56,224
She was doing talk shows
and she was doing what she loved doing.

1432
01:29:56,433 --> 01:29:59,227
So she did what she loved
doing right up to

1433
01:29:59,311 --> 01:30:01,187
the last moment that she possibly could.

1434
01:30:01,271 --> 01:30:05,150
I wrote a book called <i>Rockstar,</i>
and this rockstar told me the real story…

1435
01:30:05,233 --> 01:30:06,818
"This is how I want to be remembered."

1436
01:30:08,987 --> 01:30:11,656
She knew she was going
to pass shortly after that.

1437
01:30:11,740 --> 01:30:14,492
Yeah. And I try to write erotic sex
and humorous sex.

1438
01:30:14,576 --> 01:30:16,328
-[woman] Exactly.
-And great sex.

1439
01:30:16,453 --> 01:30:19,164
I mean, Lucky in the new book,
she has tantric sex.

1440
01:30:19,247 --> 01:30:21,708
[Laura] So all the last pictures of her…

1441
01:30:21,875 --> 01:30:22,959
[heartbeat]

1442
01:30:23,084 --> 01:30:26,546
…her working and promoting a book.

1443
01:30:29,466 --> 01:30:30,926
[romantic music playing]

1444
01:30:32,469 --> 01:30:33,845
<i>Goodbye, stranger.</i>

1445
01:30:35,055 --> 01:30:36,389
<i>Maybe in another life.</i>

1446
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:40,602
[Tracy] <i>"No goodbyes, no goodbyes,</i>
<i>I'm seeing you all at Christmas."</i>

1447
01:30:41,603 --> 01:30:44,439
[Bill] <i>And off she went</i>
<i>to America with Laura.</i>

1448
01:30:50,111 --> 01:30:52,238
[Barbara] I never knew she was sick.

1449
01:30:54,282 --> 01:30:57,202
And you know what,
I think that was strong…

1450
01:30:58,870 --> 01:31:03,667
and she showed strength
in women and within her.

1451
01:31:03,792 --> 01:31:08,463
It's amazing how much her mind,
that how she could control things

1452
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,259
and how she was so strong mentally
to deal with it the way

1453
01:31:13,343 --> 01:31:16,262
that, you know, she dealt with it, sorry.
[crying]

1454
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:21,184
It was pretty spectacular,
because she just--

1455
01:31:21,267 --> 01:31:23,895
She got to do everything she wanted to do

1456
01:31:24,145 --> 01:31:28,608
and it was like she knew what was going
to happen when she got home.

1457
01:31:28,733 --> 01:31:31,903
It was like she wrote her ending,
that's what it felt like.

1458
01:31:31,987 --> 01:31:33,321
It was like she wrote her ending.

1459
01:31:35,281 --> 01:31:37,492
[somber music playing]

1460
01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:44,874
[Joan] I was in the south of France then…

1461
01:31:46,042 --> 01:31:48,420
and my cellphone beeped

1462
01:31:49,421 --> 01:31:51,381
and I turned it on.

1463
01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:54,968
And they said, "She's passed."

1464
01:31:57,095 --> 01:31:59,305
I cried everyday for three months.

1465
01:32:00,890 --> 01:32:03,810
I missed her,
I have pictures of her still all over.

1466
01:32:06,813 --> 01:32:09,149
We were so
on the same wavelength with, like,

1467
01:32:09,482 --> 01:32:12,652
things that happened,
with seeing movies or with gossip.

1468
01:32:15,196 --> 01:32:16,948
My sister was amazing.

1469
01:32:18,533 --> 01:32:20,994
She had an incredible life.

1470
01:32:23,079 --> 01:32:27,375
And of course, you know,
it was pretty shattering when she died,

1471
01:32:27,459 --> 01:32:33,465
because she was the rock
that kept our family together.

1472
01:32:33,548 --> 01:32:35,508
[somber music continues]

1473
01:32:35,884 --> 01:32:37,010
[sniffs]

1474
01:32:42,515 --> 01:32:46,144
[Melody] <i>I think being Jackie Collins,</i>
<i>you know, that energetic,</i>

1475
01:32:46,478 --> 01:32:53,193
<i>brilliant persona that everybody saw</i>
<i>is who she loved to be.</i>

1476
01:32:54,152 --> 01:32:56,529
[Tiffany] <i>That became entirely</i>
<i>who she was,</i>

1477
01:32:56,905 --> 01:33:00,033
<i>it wasn't like she was lost in that</i>
<i>or that she was hiding a part of herself,</i>

1478
01:33:00,116 --> 01:33:02,077
<i>but just that is who she was.</i>

1479
01:33:04,496 --> 01:33:08,291
She was Jackie Collins,
and then she was gone.

1480
01:33:10,126 --> 01:33:11,753
[insects chirping]

1481
01:33:13,671 --> 01:33:15,340
[Jackie] <i>"Lucky knew</i>
<i>it was time to leave."</i>

1482
01:33:17,926 --> 01:33:19,803
<i>"She brushed her long jet hair,</i>

1483
01:33:19,928 --> 01:33:22,639
<i>pinning it back on each side</i>
<i>with ebony combs."</i>

1484
01:33:23,556 --> 01:33:28,770
<i>"She had power, she had control,</i>
<i>she had everything she'd always wanted."</i>

1485
01:33:30,146 --> 01:33:32,482
<i>"She drove down</i>
<i>the winding narrow road fast,</i>

1486
01:33:32,565 --> 01:33:34,234
<i>humming softly to herself."</i>

1487
01:33:37,570 --> 01:33:39,697
<i>"Tonight she would be like a queen."</i>

1488
01:33:51,334 --> 01:33:52,710
["Le Fleurs" playing]

1489
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,137
If you only did a documentary

1490
01:34:02,262 --> 01:34:06,224
showing her what she was
showing to everybody, who cares?

1491
01:34:06,558 --> 01:34:07,767
Frankly, who cares?

1492
01:34:08,143 --> 01:34:12,689
The only upside of being old
is that you don't give a damn.

1493
01:34:12,772 --> 01:34:14,649
-[woman laughing]
-It happened, it's my life.

1494
01:34:15,733 --> 01:34:18,945
[Morton] <i>The great storyteller</i>
<i>is rarer than the great writer.</i>

1495
01:34:19,571 --> 01:34:21,698
<i>And Jackie was a great storyteller.</i>

1496
01:34:22,907 --> 01:34:24,909
[Tracy] I think
we're back full circle now with,

1497
01:34:24,993 --> 01:34:27,912
you know, women saying actually
to be women we can be whatever we want.

1498
01:34:27,996 --> 01:34:30,039
We can be really openly sexual if we want.

1499
01:34:30,123 --> 01:34:34,502
She broke ground for all us women.
She really did.

1500
01:34:34,711 --> 01:34:37,755
What would Lucky Santangelo do,
what would Jackie Collins do?

1501
01:34:38,047 --> 01:34:39,883
Channel your Jackie Collins energy.

1502
01:34:41,342 --> 01:34:43,887
What I learned
from her is that I can do anything.

1503
01:34:44,345 --> 01:34:47,891
And I can speak my mind.
And I don't have to hide behind somebody.

1504
01:34:48,641 --> 01:34:55,315
She loved success in women.
She was very iconic in that way.

1505
01:34:55,398 --> 01:34:56,900
[Barbara] Can I tell you something?

1506
01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:00,320
She happened to have been brilliant.

1507
01:35:00,862 --> 01:35:04,407
<i>♪ Ring all the bells sing</i>
<i>And tell the people everywhere ♪</i>

1508
01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:06,910
<i>♪ That the flower has come ♪</i>

1509
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,622
<i>♪ Light up the sky with your prayers</i>
<i>Of gladness and rejoice ♪</i>

1510
01:35:10,705 --> 01:35:12,665
<i>♪ For the darkness is gone ♪</i>

1511
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:16,920
<i>♪ Throw off your fears</i>
<i>Let your heart beat freely at the sign ♪</i>

1512
01:35:17,003 --> 01:35:19,797
<i>♪ That a new time is born ♪</i>

1513
01:35:33,102 --> 01:35:38,942
<i>♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪</i>

1514
01:35:39,025 --> 01:35:43,196
<i>♪ Say money ain't na, na, oh na ♪</i>

1515
01:35:45,448 --> 01:35:51,829
<i>♪ Looking for vayda tay breeze ♪</i>

1516
01:35:51,955 --> 01:35:56,042
<i>♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪</i>

1517
01:35:58,127 --> 01:36:04,175
<i>♪ For all of these simple things</i>
<i>And much more, a flower was born ♪</i>

1518
01:36:04,592 --> 01:36:10,431
<i>♪ It blooms to spread love and joy</i>
<i>Faith and hope to people forlorn ♪</i>

1519
01:36:10,515 --> 01:36:17,272
<i>♪ Inside every man lives</i>
<i>The seed of a flower ♪</i>

1520
01:36:17,772 --> 01:36:23,444
<i>♪ If he looks within</i>
<i>He finds beauty and power ♪</i>

1521
01:36:35,832 --> 01:36:40,461
[vocalizing]



