WEBVTT FILE
1
00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000
Downloaded from
YTS.MX
2
00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000
Official YIFY movies site:
YTS.MX
3
00:00:29.029 --> 00:00:31.031
[distant siren wailing]
4
00:00:38.205 --> 00:00:40.165
[fly buzzing]
5
00:00:45.003 --> 00:00:50.008
There is a fly in here,
so I just want to get it, sorry,
6
00:00:50.092 --> 00:00:52.886
because it keeps coming
and I'm, like, trying to ignore it, but…
7
00:00:54.846 --> 00:00:57.015
[Joan Collins] That's very strange
you would say that.
8
00:00:57.099 --> 00:00:58.100
[fly continues buzzing]
9
00:00:59.017 --> 00:01:03.063
There's a very interesting thing
that happened shortly after Jackie died.
10
00:01:03.564 --> 00:01:08.569
There was this little, tiny fruit fly
that was always in front of me.
11
00:01:08.944 --> 00:01:12.155
It would be here,
I would go to the Polo Lounge
12
00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:14.157
in the Beverly Hills Hotel,
it would be there.
13
00:01:14.241 --> 00:01:18.120
I'd go to the south of France and
be sitting there and it would be there.
14
00:01:18.203 --> 00:01:23.166
And I said, "Well, this is Jackie coming
to say that she's still there."
15
00:01:25.210 --> 00:01:27.629
[Jennifer] Yes, we've all heard the story.
16
00:01:27.713 --> 00:01:29.131
[fly buzzing]
17
00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.301
-I guess Jackie came back as a fly.
-[buzzing stops]
18
00:01:34.011 --> 00:01:35.178
[sighs]
19
00:01:36.263 --> 00:01:37.889
-Joan.
-[soft music playing]
20
00:01:37.973 --> 00:01:39.182
[projector whirring]
21
00:01:44.646 --> 00:01:46.982 line:5%
[Tracy Lerman] I sort of knew
it was a different upbringing.
22
00:01:51.361 --> 00:01:52.988 line:5%
[Tiffany Lerman]
Parenting wasn't really a verb…
23
00:01:53.071 --> 00:01:55.407 line:5%
[chuckling]
…back in the '70s and '80s.
24
00:01:58.368 --> 00:02:00.954 line:5%
[Tracy] I didn't really understand
what it was she was doing.
25
00:02:02.122 --> 00:02:04.958 line:5%
All I knew was that mommy was on TV a lot.
26
00:02:09.046 --> 00:02:11.882
[Rory Green] There were definitely
two sides. There was Mom…
27
00:02:12.633 --> 00:02:15.177 line:5%
-We're going to the Walden show.
-[man] The Walden show.
28
00:02:15.260 --> 00:02:18.305 line:5%
-Bye-bye.
-[Rory] …and there was Jackie Collins.
29
00:02:18.388 --> 00:02:21.975
-Jackie Collins.
-[audience cheering, applauding]
30
00:02:22.142 --> 00:02:24.144
[Morton Janklow] There are people
who are wonderful writers.
31
00:02:26.938 --> 00:02:30.651 line:5%
By that I mean people who use
the language beautifully and elegantly.
32
00:02:32.903 --> 00:02:35.572
Which was almost
the direct opposite of Jackie.
33
00:02:35.656 --> 00:02:37.115
Is it exhausting…
34
00:02:37.532 --> 00:02:38.784
-What?
-…doing research for your books?
35
00:02:38.867 --> 00:02:41.703
-No. [laughs]
-[crowd laughing]
36
00:02:41.995 --> 00:02:44.289
[Morton] It was one of the reasons
she was so successful…
37
00:02:46.083 --> 00:02:50.337
because she could go out there and promote
those books and not be embarrassed.
38
00:02:51.046 --> 00:02:52.673
[soft music playing]
39
00:02:53.632 --> 00:02:56.385
[woman]
Obviously she writes a lot about sex.
40
00:02:56.802 --> 00:03:00.972
[woman] She's putting female
sexuality at the center of the world
41
00:03:01.056 --> 00:03:03.433
and people lost their minds.
42
00:03:04.226 --> 00:03:06.603
[Terry Wogan] Some of the
sexual gymnastics, quite frankly…
43
00:03:06.687 --> 00:03:08.021
[crowd laughing]
44
00:03:08.105 --> 00:03:12.693
…give middle aged men
like me a terrific inferiority complex.
45
00:03:14.403 --> 00:03:16.613
[woman] She changed
the way women got to have sex.
46
00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.450
Women got to be selfish
in bed thanks to Jackie Collins.
47
00:03:20.826 --> 00:03:24.579
My final guest, the world's most
prolific writer of romantic fiction.
48
00:03:24.746 --> 00:03:27.708
-Barbara Cartland.
-[audience applauding]
49
00:03:27.874 --> 00:03:30.669
[Barbara] We've got to go back
to the family to save the world,
50
00:03:30.752 --> 00:03:31.962
I mean, look at the mess it's in.
51
00:03:32.045 --> 00:03:33.714
-It's evil really.
-[Jackie] What?
52
00:03:33.797 --> 00:03:37.050
[stutters] The books
that you write, quite frankly.
53
00:03:37.134 --> 00:03:38.969
-[audience laughing]
-[gasps]
54
00:03:39.052 --> 00:03:40.679
[audience applauding]
55
00:03:43.890 --> 00:03:45.767
[stutters] I think there's a place
for everybody,
56
00:03:45.851 --> 00:03:47.352
I think there's a place
for Barbara's books
57
00:03:47.477 --> 00:03:49.020
and there’s a place for my books.
58
00:03:49.312 --> 00:03:51.773
And I would never criticize Barbara
and say they all have to be like yours,
59
00:03:51.857 --> 00:03:53.230
because wouldn't life be dull
60
00:03:53.305 --> 00:03:55.732
-if we all had to do the same thing?
-No, no. I didn't say that either.
61
00:03:55.807 --> 00:03:57.487
-[all laughing]
-My guests, thank you.
62
00:03:57.571 --> 00:03:59.865
[audience applauding]
63
00:04:00.073 --> 00:04:04.327
[Morton] It's always the same
essential story dressed up differently.
64
00:04:06.329 --> 00:04:09.666
It is about a woman
facing disaster at the beginning.
65
00:04:10.625 --> 00:04:13.503
And no matter
how downbeat and downtrodden
66
00:04:14.755 --> 00:04:18.508
she outsmarts all the tough guys and wins.
67
00:04:18.675 --> 00:04:20.093
Girls when they leave school,
68
00:04:20.177 --> 00:04:22.471
should be taught
that in life they can do anything.
69
00:04:22.554 --> 00:04:25.348
I really have this strong belief
that women can do anything.
70
00:04:25.474 --> 00:04:27.309
"Girls can do anything,"
that was her motto.
71
00:04:27.434 --> 00:04:31.062
-Girls can do anything.
-Girls can do anything.
72
00:04:31.188 --> 00:04:33.899
-Girls can do anything.
-Women can do anything.
73
00:04:33.982 --> 00:04:36.359
As much as she was saying
that to everybody else,
74
00:04:36.568 --> 00:04:39.488
she was consistently saying it to herself.
75
00:04:39.613 --> 00:04:41.406
[dramatic music playing]
76
00:04:41.782 --> 00:04:46.119
[Tita Cahn] That is what is so
extraordinary about this tale.
77
00:04:47.329 --> 00:04:52.584
What she wrote and who she was
are two different things.
78
00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:56.254
[man] She's one of the most successful
authors in publishing history…
79
00:04:56.338 --> 00:05:02.177
[woman] The excess, the glitz.
The unashamed embrace of power.
80
00:05:02.260 --> 00:05:05.764
[newsreader] Jackie Collins has sold
over 500 million books worldwide.
81
00:05:05.847 --> 00:05:06.848
She's got 29…
82
00:05:06.932 --> 00:05:11.061
[woman] Jackie's novels really helped
to create the ethos of the 80s.
83
00:05:11.144 --> 00:05:13.897
[presenter] Without any doubt, one of
the best-selling authors in the world.
84
00:05:13.980 --> 00:05:16.066
[Tracy] That kind of became who she was.
85
00:05:16.149 --> 00:05:19.986
[presenter] The most highly paid author
in the United Kingdom.
86
00:05:20.070 --> 00:05:22.322
[dramatic music playing]
87
00:05:22.531 --> 00:05:26.785
[woman] Girl, woman, she,
it's another word for a chick.
88
00:05:27.369 --> 00:05:28.745
-Lady…
-[woman 2] Second word.
89
00:05:28.829 --> 00:05:30.831
-The…
-Count five.
90
00:05:31.832 --> 00:05:33.542
[woman 2] Tray. Boss.
91
00:05:42.300 --> 00:05:43.426
[clapperboard clacks]
92
00:05:44.719 --> 00:05:48.223 line:5%
Well, hi, I'm so glad to meet you and I…
93
00:05:48.306 --> 00:05:51.476 line:5%
I think it's very exciting
that you came in from London,
94
00:05:51.852 --> 00:05:56.690
and that you're doing really
a record of Jackie Collins.
95
00:05:58.400 --> 00:05:59.651
[waves lapping]
96
00:06:03.864 --> 00:06:05.407
[mellow music playing]
97
00:06:08.243 --> 00:06:11.621
[Jackie] "The raft lay ahead,
empty and inviting."
98
00:06:13.999 --> 00:06:16.960 line:5%
"What must it be like to be shipwrecked,
cut off, alone in the world?"
99
00:06:18.670 --> 00:06:20.630 line:5%
"She often felt alone in the world."
100
00:06:24.384 --> 00:06:26.469
"She swam rapidly toward the raft…
101
00:06:28.054 --> 00:06:30.140
without another thought,
he stripped off his shirt
102
00:06:30.223 --> 00:06:32.017
and plunged into the sea after her."
103
00:06:33.977 --> 00:06:35.228
"Don't talk."
104
00:06:35.896 --> 00:06:37.898
"'Don't spoil it,' she willed Lennie."
105
00:06:40.483 --> 00:06:43.486
"Salty flesh crushed against salty flesh."
106
00:06:44.446 --> 00:06:46.740
"He pressed his hands
into the small of her back
107
00:06:46.823 --> 00:06:48.366
and let her feel his hardness."
108
00:06:49.117 --> 00:06:52.287
"She didn't draw away,
but moved her hips slowly suggestively."
109
00:06:54.623 --> 00:06:57.334
"He entered her smoothly
and she wrapped her long legs tightly
110
00:06:57.417 --> 00:06:59.127
around his waist and moved with him
111
00:06:59.377 --> 00:07:01.713
as if they had been together
many times before."
112
00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.221
"And then, she was lost in sensation,
floating in paradise."
113
00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:14.684
"Taken over by a throbbing release
which sent her into spasms of delight."
114
00:07:17.604 --> 00:07:20.523
"He stared into her eyes,
so deep and full of secrets."
115
00:07:24.027 --> 00:07:25.153
"Who was she?"
116
00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:27.864
[music intensifies]
117
00:07:33.745 --> 00:07:34.871
[Tracy] She was very private.
118
00:07:35.705 --> 00:07:38.667 line:5%
That's a huge persona
that she'd go on interviews,
119
00:07:38.750 --> 00:07:42.671 line:5%
she would present in the same way.
She was very warm, very affectionate.
120
00:07:43.672 --> 00:07:47.092
But she gave very,
very little away about herself.
121
00:07:48.051 --> 00:07:52.931 line:5%
I think people devolved a very natural
interest in who is she and what--
122
00:07:53.056 --> 00:07:55.100 line:5%
How she'd come to be this person.
123
00:07:56.142 --> 00:07:58.311
And that story was never told by her.
124
00:07:59.604 --> 00:08:01.815 line:5%
[Rory] It turned out
that she really was her own archiver.
125
00:08:01.898 --> 00:08:06.403 line:5%
I mean, she had hung on to sort of every
element of her entire life and career.
126
00:08:06.987 --> 00:08:09.781
Almost every single letter
that she'd ever received.
127
00:08:09.864 --> 00:08:13.451
[Tiffany] Correspondence,
letters with her and Joan, diaries.
128
00:08:13.535 --> 00:08:17.122 line:5%
She kept it obviously for a reason,
I mean, it's incredible,
129
00:08:17.205 --> 00:08:20.834 line:5%
but there's a reason
why she kept it all, it's her whole life.
130
00:08:23.670 --> 00:08:26.715
[Tracy] Had she lived longer,
she may well had written
131
00:08:26.798 --> 00:08:29.592
that whole story that she had inside her…
132
00:08:30.885 --> 00:08:32.470
you know, waiting to tell.
133
00:08:50.405 --> 00:08:52.949
[interviewer] It seems to me
that Jackie had different personas.
134
00:08:53.616 --> 00:08:54.659 line:5%
She did.
135
00:08:54.784 --> 00:08:56.453 line:5%
[interviewer] Can you tell me
a bit about that?
136
00:08:57.454 --> 00:09:00.915 line:5%
Well, I think Jackie suffered for a while
137
00:09:01.708 --> 00:09:04.044
of the baby sister syndrome.
138
00:09:04.419 --> 00:09:08.173
-[dramatic music playing]
-You must give the order, your majesty.
139
00:09:10.592 --> 00:09:11.801
The order is given.
140
00:09:14.304 --> 00:09:16.639 line:5%
[Tita] Joan was extremely beautiful.
141
00:09:16.723 --> 00:09:19.642 line:5%
[newsreader] Joan Collins arrives
at London airport from America.
142
00:09:19.976 --> 00:09:22.729 line:5%
This young star has been described
by a Hollywood chief
143
00:09:22.812 --> 00:09:25.815
as the greatest screen asset America
has imported from Britain.
144
00:09:27.442 --> 00:09:32.864
[Tita] And I mean a natural beauty
with flawless skin and high cheek bones.
145
00:09:32.947 --> 00:09:34.449
She was very beautiful.
146
00:09:35.575 --> 00:09:38.828
And then, there was the baby sister…
147
00:09:40.455 --> 00:09:44.000
who was very beautiful on the inside.
148
00:09:44.542 --> 00:09:46.586
-[interviewer] Yeah.
-If you know what I mean.
149
00:09:48.379 --> 00:09:50.215 line:5%
Okay. Uh…
150
00:09:52.217 --> 00:09:53.635 line:5%
And who are you? [chuckles]
151
00:09:53.718 --> 00:09:55.804
-[man] I'm the AC guy.
-Oh, hi.
152
00:09:55.887 --> 00:09:56.763
-[man] Hi.
-Hi.
153
00:09:56.846 --> 00:09:58.389
-Part of the video.
-Okay.
154
00:10:00.183 --> 00:10:01.976
[Joan] When I starred in movies,
155
00:10:02.102 --> 00:10:05.396 line:5%
she cut out every single thing
that was in the papers,
156
00:10:05.563 --> 00:10:08.733 line:5%
pasted them in scrapbooks
and wrote underneath it,
157
00:10:09.192 --> 00:10:13.154
"Wolverhampton Echo,
January, da, da, da."
158
00:10:15.740 --> 00:10:17.700
She was the younger sister.
159
00:10:18.326 --> 00:10:20.829
It's like a marriage, you know.
160
00:10:20.912 --> 00:10:24.082
It doesn't all go along just perfectly
wonderfully all the time.
161
00:10:26.459 --> 00:10:28.044
She was always scribbling away.
162
00:10:28.503 --> 00:10:31.798
I never really asked what she was writing,
but she was certainly writing.
163
00:10:34.801 --> 00:10:37.428 line:5%
[narrator] "1953, 14th of May."
164
00:10:40.265 --> 00:10:41.599
"Went to a party with Joan."
165
00:10:42.058 --> 00:10:46.146
"It was fun, but I get an awful
inferiority complex when I'm with Joan."
166
00:10:47.939 --> 00:10:50.275
"I feel all big and clumsy and dull."
167
00:10:53.570 --> 00:10:55.989
"And Joan says everyone says I copy her."
168
00:11:00.410 --> 00:11:03.788 line:5%
[Joan] I knew that she was thinking
about becoming an actress
169
00:11:04.038 --> 00:11:07.250 line:5%
and I gave her some advice, I said
she should try and get into R.A.D.A.
170
00:11:07.333 --> 00:11:10.503
And she said, "Don't worry about me,
I'm going to be fine."
171
00:11:13.298 --> 00:11:15.508
[narrator] "Please God,
let me get into R.A.D.A."
172
00:11:17.969 --> 00:11:20.972
"Rehearsed most of the day
until five when the show began."
173
00:11:22.015 --> 00:11:23.725
"Joan told me I was very good…
174
00:11:24.934 --> 00:11:27.103
and not at all awkward
as she had expected."
175
00:11:32.567 --> 00:11:37.530
[Joan] She was very shy at first,
but she realized at an early age
176
00:11:37.614 --> 00:11:42.243
that she had a fantastic figure
and the boys liked her.
177
00:11:42.368 --> 00:11:45.288
And I think it was a great--
They were great toys.
178
00:11:45.371 --> 00:11:47.332
-[upbeat music playing]
-We lived in the basement,
179
00:11:47.457 --> 00:11:49.500 line:5%
very handy so you could just
open the window and climb out.
180
00:11:49.584 --> 00:11:53.796 line:5%
Um, I don't think
she ever made it to school. [chuckles]
181
00:11:54.964 --> 00:11:57.217
[narrator] "Fourth of August,
got train to meet Bob."
182
00:11:57.383 --> 00:11:59.385
"We drove around, necked a bit."
183
00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.056
"We took it in turns to lick a lollipop."
184
00:12:04.682 --> 00:12:08.019
"Thirteenth of October.
Henry and me necked on the bed."
185
00:12:08.603 --> 00:12:12.815
"We went to Hyde Park, it was raining.
He kissed me and said he loved me."
186
00:12:15.652 --> 00:12:18.988
"First of March.
Noel kissed me madly on both cheeks."
187
00:12:19.614 --> 00:12:21.783
"Joan says Noel just wants to get banged."
188
00:12:22.659 --> 00:12:25.954
"Eleventh of May.
Henry, then up to some flat."
189
00:12:26.454 --> 00:12:29.249
"We started to neck and strip madly."
190
00:12:31.376 --> 00:12:36.506
"Twenty-eighth of October.
That French film actor Maurice, he is 30."
191
00:12:38.174 --> 00:12:41.844
"At three, we went to his flat
with some other people, it was crazy."
192
00:12:45.098 --> 00:12:49.310
"The parents found out all about Bob,
both absolutely furious."
193
00:12:50.311 --> 00:12:53.022
"Daddy shrieked
and shouted that I looked like a tart."
194
00:12:53.398 --> 00:12:54.649
"It makes me sick."
195
00:12:58.861 --> 00:13:02.031
"To make matters worse,
Joan is going to Hollywood on Thursday."
196
00:13:04.617 --> 00:13:06.744
[Bill] My father
was a show business agent.
197
00:13:08.162 --> 00:13:10.039
He was very proud of Joan…
198
00:13:11.666 --> 00:13:15.295
who then became
the importance in his life.
199
00:13:17.046 --> 00:13:20.174
[Tracy] Mom would have looked
at her sister and thought,
200
00:13:20.800 --> 00:13:24.137 line:5%
"Wow, look at the attention
that she can get from just being
201
00:13:24.220 --> 00:13:27.807 line:5%
as beautiful as she is,
and Joan would win these
202
00:13:28.725 --> 00:13:32.270 line:5%
sort of most beautiful
young actress in Great Britain.
203
00:13:32.770 --> 00:13:36.441 line:5%
Meanwhile, Mom was told
all sorts of things by her father.
204
00:13:36.858 --> 00:13:39.902 line:5%
That she wasn't beautiful enough,
not slim enough,
205
00:13:40.236 --> 00:13:41.988 line:5%
that girls should know their place.
206
00:13:43.406 --> 00:13:44.866 line:5%
I don't think that ever left her.
207
00:13:45.575 --> 00:13:48.202
[soft music playing]
208
00:13:48.995 --> 00:13:51.080
[interviewer] And what
was your father like in those days?
209
00:13:52.290 --> 00:13:55.001
[Joan] Remote, strict…
210
00:13:56.753 --> 00:13:58.212
and being an agent.
211
00:13:59.964 --> 00:14:05.720
Charming, everybody loved Joe Collins.
I mean, he could turn on the charm.
212
00:14:06.179 --> 00:14:09.515
And so could my mother,
my mother was adorable.
213
00:14:10.224 --> 00:14:15.438 line:5%
Sweet, loving,
the definitive 1950s housewife.
214
00:14:18.149 --> 00:14:21.152 line:5%
[Bill] "My mom, Elsa,
was a quiet and gentle blonde beauty."
215
00:14:23.863 --> 00:14:27.742 line:5%
"Men lusted after her,
while women lusted after Joe."
216
00:14:28.993 --> 00:14:33.498 line:5%
"So I guess they were even,
except Elsa never did anything about it,
217
00:14:33.915 --> 00:14:35.792
although I am certain Joe did."
218
00:14:36.501 --> 00:14:37.960
"A philanderer for sure."
219
00:14:39.796 --> 00:14:41.923
[dramatic music plays]
220
00:14:42.340 --> 00:14:43.883
[narrator] "My father was a screamer."
221
00:14:44.884 --> 00:14:46.636
"If it could be said he would yell it."
222
00:14:48.137 --> 00:14:50.640
"Once I watched him throw
a plate of food at my mother."
223
00:14:52.308 --> 00:14:55.311
"'This is my house,
you will obey my rules,
224
00:14:55.436 --> 00:14:57.688
you're old enough and ugly enough.'"
225
00:14:58.898 --> 00:15:00.608
"I am king!"
226
00:15:03.903 --> 00:15:06.280
That's the truth, okay.
227
00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:10.368
[narrator] "Nothingville."
228
00:15:11.702 --> 00:15:14.080
"What an awful day, felt awfully alone."
229
00:15:15.373 --> 00:15:16.791
"Had a row with Daddy."
230
00:15:17.667 --> 00:15:20.711
"I've come to the conclusion
that I like Mom better than Dad."
231
00:15:26.551 --> 00:15:27.760 line:5%
"Fourth of October."
232
00:15:28.469 --> 00:15:30.012 line:5%
"Sixteen at last."
233
00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:34.642
"I got an express letter from Joan
saying she wants me to go to Hollywood
234
00:15:34.725 --> 00:15:36.018
as soon as possible."
235
00:15:36.144 --> 00:15:37.728
[jet engine roars]
236
00:15:38.187 --> 00:15:39.188
[car horn honks]
237
00:15:43.276 --> 00:15:46.946 line:5%
[Joan] Mid '50s Hollywood
was extremely glamorous.
238
00:15:47.363 --> 00:15:51.534
Marlon Brando and James Dean
and a whole bunch of other people.
239
00:15:52.201 --> 00:15:56.664
And so Jackie joined the set
and she was the little-- The kid.
240
00:15:56.789 --> 00:15:58.040
[jazz music playing]
241
00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:04.130
[narrator] "First of July."
242
00:16:04.213 --> 00:16:07.467
"Went to a cocktail party
at Diana Dors, got very loaded."
243
00:16:07.800 --> 00:16:11.804
"Went to a party where I danced up a storm
to 'Voodoo Suite' by myself."
244
00:16:12.972 --> 00:16:16.642
[Joan] We went to a lot
of nightclubs and danced like,
245
00:16:16.726 --> 00:16:21.230
you know, Mocambo and Ciro's,
and yes, I would take Jackie, uh,
246
00:16:21.481 --> 00:16:27.570
because there was always an extra man
hanging around and, um, she loved it.
247
00:16:27.945 --> 00:16:29.155
[narrator] "Fifteenth of January."
248
00:16:29.280 --> 00:16:31.199
"Went to a cocktail party
at Judy Garland's."
249
00:16:31.282 --> 00:16:32.200
"Fourth of March."
250
00:16:32.283 --> 00:16:35.036
"Went with Joan to the Gene Kelly's,
we played ping-pong with Sid Chaplin"
251
00:16:35.119 --> 00:16:38.623 line:5%
"Met Bridgette Bardot,
a French film star, God, she's cute."
252
00:16:38.706 --> 00:16:42.376
"Marilyn Monroe, her walk could make
a revolving door look stationary."
253
00:16:44.003 --> 00:16:45.004
"Twelfth of January."
254
00:16:45.087 --> 00:16:47.757
"Saw the casting people
at 20th Century Fox with Joan."
255
00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.050
[indistinct chatter]
256
00:16:49.175 --> 00:16:51.052
"Joan is trying to get me in the picture."
257
00:16:53.471 --> 00:16:54.722
"Twenty-eighth of January."
258
00:16:54.805 --> 00:16:58.142
"Met Marlon Brando,
I spoke to him quite a lot."
259
00:16:58.684 --> 00:17:01.103
"He's only my height and kind of fat."
260
00:17:03.189 --> 00:17:05.441
[Joan] Well, it's sort of folklore now.
261
00:17:06.817 --> 00:17:12.073
I was sitting at a dinner--
A party, one of those casual…
262
00:17:12.156 --> 00:17:16.077
It was always barbecues
and jeans and t-shirts and I was sitting
263
00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:21.832
with, um, Stewart Stern, who was
the writer of Rebel Without a Cause
264
00:17:21.916 --> 00:17:26.671
and, um, Paul Newman and, uh, Arthur Lowe.
265
00:17:29.173 --> 00:17:31.425
[narrator] "Around 12,
Marlon Brando arrived,
266
00:17:31.634 --> 00:17:35.137
talked to him a while,
then went up to Arthur's room."
267
00:17:36.889 --> 00:17:39.225
"He called me sincere,
sweet and luscious."
268
00:17:40.768 --> 00:17:44.438
He took her by the hand
and he took her upstairs.
269
00:17:44.522 --> 00:17:47.567
And I was saying, "Where are you going?"
270
00:17:47.650 --> 00:17:49.360
She said, "I'll be fine."
271
00:17:49.902 --> 00:17:51.821
Like… [scoffs] …"Get out of it."
272
00:17:52.655 --> 00:17:54.407
[jazz music playing]
273
00:18:03.249 --> 00:18:04.375
[narrator] "Sixth of August."
274
00:18:04.917 --> 00:18:07.378
"Got a letter from Mommy
telling me to come home."
275
00:18:09.088 --> 00:18:11.549
"I cried and cried and cried."
276
00:18:19.056 --> 00:18:23.477
[Joan] That's when I found out
that she was writing down a lot of things.
277
00:18:25.021 --> 00:18:27.106
And I remember
she was writing and she said,
278
00:18:27.189 --> 00:18:29.275
"One day I'm going
to write a book about all of this."
279
00:18:29.775 --> 00:18:31.485
And I said,
"Well, I think that's a great idea
280
00:18:31.569 --> 00:18:34.322
because you know
what Hollywood is really like."
281
00:18:42.246 --> 00:18:44.999
[presenter] Her ninth book is currently
a major best-selling title
282
00:18:45.082 --> 00:18:46.208
on all the best seller charts.
283
00:18:46.334 --> 00:18:48.461
Hollywood Wives and truthfully her phone
284
00:18:48.544 --> 00:18:50.963
hasn't stopped ringing
with people wanting to know
285
00:18:51.047 --> 00:18:53.382
who is really supposed
to be who in the book.
286
00:18:53.883 --> 00:18:55.051
So would you welcome, please,
287
00:18:55.176 --> 00:18:58.012
the lady that's rocked Beverly Hills,
Jackie Collins! Yeah!
288
00:18:58.095 --> 00:18:59.972
[audience applauding]
289
00:19:06.646 --> 00:19:09.106
I'm Morton Janklow, I'm a literary agent.
290
00:19:09.565 --> 00:19:14.654 line:5%
And I was a literary agent
for Jackie Collins for about 22 years.
291
00:19:17.198 --> 00:19:19.033
It was a very simple formula.
292
00:19:19.909 --> 00:19:25.915
She would observe things in life,
and then translate them into books.
293
00:19:26.540 --> 00:19:30.211
I could sometimes pick out
the characters in her books
294
00:19:30.294 --> 00:19:32.213
who were based on real life people.
295
00:19:32.338 --> 00:19:35.091
I think to be successful,
you have to write about what you know.
296
00:19:35.174 --> 00:19:38.135
And whether I'm lucky or unlucky enough
to know a lot about Hollywood,
297
00:19:38.219 --> 00:19:40.262
I think it's what I like to write about.
298
00:19:40.346 --> 00:19:41.764
And Hollywood Wives is fiction,
299
00:19:42.264 --> 00:19:44.517
but of course
it is based very much on facts.
300
00:19:44.642 --> 00:19:47.019
-Where were you?
-[man] Talk to my wife.
301
00:19:47.103 --> 00:19:48.646
What time do you call this?
302
00:19:48.938 --> 00:19:50.731 line:5%
[laughing]
303
00:19:52.441 --> 00:19:53.734 line:5%
[Jackie] Well, people loved that,
they'd go,
304
00:19:53.818 --> 00:19:55.403 line:5%
"Oh, I know who that character is."
305
00:19:55.528 --> 00:19:58.572 line:5%
"It's-- It's Clint Eastwood!"
And I'd go, "No."
306
00:19:58.656 --> 00:19:59.907
"Well, then it's Burt Reynolds!"
307
00:20:00.032 --> 00:20:02.076
And I'd go, "No,
you have to play the guessing game,
308
00:20:02.159 --> 00:20:04.453
that's the whole fun
of a Jackie Collins book."
309
00:20:04.745 --> 00:20:05.913
[man] Bye-bye.
310
00:20:06.831 --> 00:20:10.584
You know, they know that I'm not some
little old lady in, uh, Des Moines,
311
00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:13.129
writing about
the Hollywood that I think exists,
312
00:20:13.212 --> 00:20:14.630
-I'm actually out there…
-[host] Right. Right.
313
00:20:14.714 --> 00:20:16.799
…in Hollywood
doing a lot of research, um,
314
00:20:17.174 --> 00:20:20.469
forcing myself to go to parties
and watch the movie stars at play.
315
00:20:22.096 --> 00:20:26.559
[Morton] The success of Hollywood Wives
was so unexpectedly enormous.
316
00:20:29.103 --> 00:20:31.856
We were hoping for good sales,
but the sales were tremendous.
317
00:20:34.233 --> 00:20:37.653
She made a lot of money
and that really set her up.
318
00:20:44.243 --> 00:20:49.915
[Barbara] My husband, Marvin Davis,
was a very successful oil man.
319
00:20:51.959 --> 00:20:58.382
In 1981 or 82,
Marvin bought 20th Century Fox.
320
00:21:00.760 --> 00:21:06.265
It is really fun to have a studio.
It really is.
321
00:21:07.850 --> 00:21:10.561
Here is Prince Edward…
322
00:21:15.149 --> 00:21:18.027 line:5%
someone who
was the head of ABC at the time
323
00:21:18.903 --> 00:21:21.447 line:5%
and the queen.
324
00:21:23.199 --> 00:21:24.658
Jackie Collins.
325
00:21:25.951 --> 00:21:30.289
Actually, we entertained your queen
326
00:21:30.456 --> 00:21:33.626
on sound stage 9, Queen Elizabeth.
327
00:21:33.709 --> 00:21:37.630
[newsreader] A dinner for 500 guests
at the studios of 20th Century Fox
328
00:21:37.797 --> 00:21:40.299
is the hottest ticket
in Tinsel Town for years.
329
00:21:40.382 --> 00:21:41.258
[camera shutters clicking]
330
00:21:41.342 --> 00:21:45.846
I used to bring a baked potato
with me wherever I went,
331
00:21:46.764 --> 00:21:50.267
so that I had something plain on the side.
332
00:21:52.978 --> 00:21:58.025
I took out my little gold bag
and I put my baked potato on the plate.
333
00:21:58.609 --> 00:22:00.277
And she said…
334
00:22:00.402 --> 00:22:04.156
[imitating the Queen]
…"Oh, how wonderful, what a good idea."
335
00:22:05.282 --> 00:22:10.871
From the minute I met Jackie that night,
we were bonded, we were close.
336
00:22:11.914 --> 00:22:18.003
And she didn't do it
in a way that you would notice.
337
00:22:18.671 --> 00:22:21.090
Her notes were right up here.
338
00:22:21.841 --> 00:22:23.217
[soft music playing]
339
00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:32.351 line:5%
[Tita] 90210 was a very close knit
340
00:22:33.435 --> 00:22:34.937
and small community.
341
00:22:35.145 --> 00:22:36.355
[indistinct chatter]
342
00:22:39.483 --> 00:22:42.278
We were in each other's lives
is all I can say.
343
00:22:42.903 --> 00:22:47.199
None of us can be invited
to everything all the time.
344
00:22:48.951 --> 00:22:54.290
Cary Grant, Kirk Douglas, Gene Kelly,
Gregory Peck, Louise Jourdan.
345
00:22:55.249 --> 00:22:57.710
-[Jackie] And here we have Mr. Caine.
-What sort of a camera is that?
346
00:22:57.793 --> 00:23:00.588
[Tita] The Caines,
the Moores and the Connerys too.
347
00:23:01.463 --> 00:23:02.798
[Jackie] In the flesh.
348
00:23:02.882 --> 00:23:08.679
Jackie had an absolute gift
of taking notes
349
00:23:09.013 --> 00:23:12.474
and photographing us
without being intrusive.
350
00:23:14.476 --> 00:23:16.562
[Oprah] Caller, your chance
to talk to Jackie, hi.
351
00:23:16.645 --> 00:23:18.272
[caller] All right, my question is,
352
00:23:18.439 --> 00:23:21.317
is her life as exciting
as the books that she writes?
353
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:22.693
[Oprah]
Is your life as exciting, that's good.
354
00:23:22.776 --> 00:23:24.445
Jackie, is your life as exciting?
355
00:23:24.570 --> 00:23:27.072
Yeah, I've got a pretty exciting life,
I think so.
356
00:23:27.406 --> 00:23:30.951 line:5%
She knew that I was gay,
and so of course her eyes lit up
357
00:23:31.035 --> 00:23:33.871 line:5%
when she found out
that I was a lesbian and that I…
358
00:23:33.954 --> 00:23:36.749 line:5%
She always wanted
to know about my personal life.
359
00:23:36.916 --> 00:23:41.587
-Was I in a relationship, was I dating?
-[Jackie] "For Susan preferred women."
360
00:23:42.338 --> 00:23:45.132
"For the last three years
she'd been having a very satisfying affair
361
00:23:45.215 --> 00:23:49.136
with the producer's wife,
sexy copper-haired Paige Wheeler."
362
00:23:50.304 --> 00:23:53.474
[Gina] I was in one relationship
where I had a girlfriend in Palm Springs,
363
00:23:53.557 --> 00:23:59.355
and I would come back and she would want
explicit details about what I had done.
364
00:23:59.813 --> 00:24:01.815
[Jackie] "They were naked
and playing games."
365
00:24:02.399 --> 00:24:04.652
Who I had seen, what did they look like.
366
00:24:04.777 --> 00:24:06.654
[Jackie] "You show me yours,
I'll show you mine."
367
00:24:07.488 --> 00:24:08.530
Um…
368
00:24:08.822 --> 00:24:11.659
She wanted sort of the outer layer,
369
00:24:11.742 --> 00:24:15.579
so that she could
create the inner details,
370
00:24:15.704 --> 00:24:17.081
was sort of the sense I got.
371
00:24:19.458 --> 00:24:21.460
Here we have the great
Mr. Jack Provano.
372
00:24:23.128 --> 00:24:24.380
[Melody Korenbrot]
When we first met Jackie,
373
00:24:24.505 --> 00:24:26.799
we got a phone call
from a New York publicist
374
00:24:27.049 --> 00:24:30.719 line:5%
who asked if we'd be interested
in this author named Jackie Collins.
375
00:24:30.803 --> 00:24:34.431 line:5%
We had no clue who she was,
we were movie publicists.
376
00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:36.725
[man] Where are you going, Melody?
Where are you?
377
00:24:36.809 --> 00:24:39.144
-I'm carrying-- Down here.
-[both laughing]
378
00:24:39.228 --> 00:24:41.271
-[man] Where are you going?
-Gonna carry her bags, as usual.
379
00:24:41.355 --> 00:24:45.859
[Melody] In the '80s, she was one
of the few, there's a handful that wrote.
380
00:24:46.485 --> 00:24:49.238
[Morton] I had Judy Clarence
and Barbara Taylor Bradford
381
00:24:49.321 --> 00:24:50.614
and Danielle Steel.
382
00:24:51.156 --> 00:24:53.450
But Jackie was the only one I knew
383
00:24:53.784 --> 00:24:57.413
who really notices
that it was dependent on her hard work.
384
00:24:59.164 --> 00:25:02.668
When she'd written a book,
she would attend marketing meetings.
385
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:06.880
Most authors don't do that.
They hand in the book and then disappear.
386
00:25:08.382 --> 00:25:10.342
She was out front, she was there.
387
00:25:12.302 --> 00:25:13.554
[Oprah] You can ask a question, yes.
388
00:25:13.637 --> 00:25:15.681
Miss Collins,
you're a very beautiful lady,
389
00:25:15.764 --> 00:25:17.725
but you have an inner beauty about you.
390
00:25:17.891 --> 00:25:19.476
-Doesn't she?
-Oh, yes, and…
391
00:25:19.852 --> 00:25:22.730
[Barbara] Her women
were strong in her books.
392
00:25:25.733 --> 00:25:28.444
And they came from a strong person.
393
00:25:30.654 --> 00:25:34.575
And I think Jackie was a strong person.
394
00:25:35.325 --> 00:25:36.869
[all laughing]
395
00:25:36.994 --> 00:25:43.792
And women who would not ever
read books before loved her.
396
00:25:45.169 --> 00:25:47.004
[interviewer]
Why did you get onto the line?
397
00:25:47.087 --> 00:25:48.464
Because we like reading her books.
398
00:25:48.630 --> 00:25:50.507
[interviewer] How many
of the other books have you read?
399
00:25:50.591 --> 00:25:52.509
-All of them. [chuckles]
-[women chuckling]
400
00:25:52.593 --> 00:25:53.886
[woman] I'm an addict.
401
00:25:58.557 --> 00:26:01.643
[Jackie] Here we have Hazel
in Paris. Bonjour, Hazel.
402
00:26:01.727 --> 00:26:02.936
Bonjour!
403
00:26:03.020 --> 00:26:05.230
[Hazel] I went
to all Jackie's book signings.
404
00:26:05.314 --> 00:26:06.815
[speaking French]
405
00:26:08.192 --> 00:26:12.071 line:5%
One after the other
of women would just go up
406
00:26:12.154 --> 00:26:13.864 line:5%
to her and say,
"I'd like you to sign my book."
407
00:26:14.281 --> 00:26:17.201
"But please can I tell you,
thank you so much."
408
00:26:17.284 --> 00:26:20.871
"From reading your books,
I now have so much more courage."
409
00:26:21.246 --> 00:26:23.499
And, "Thank you,
I was in a really bad relationship."
410
00:26:23.832 --> 00:26:24.875
One after the other.
411
00:26:27.753 --> 00:26:30.047
[Melody] There would be lines
around the block.
412
00:26:31.423 --> 00:26:35.803
Every person got a moment with her.
She didn't treat anyone badly.
413
00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:39.556
You got to talk to her, she talked to you.
414
00:26:40.432 --> 00:26:41.892
Her fans made her
415
00:26:41.975 --> 00:26:44.728
and she wasn't going
to treat them poorly, ever.
416
00:26:45.145 --> 00:26:46.730
[interviewer] Are you going
to read the book after?
417
00:26:46.814 --> 00:26:49.483
We're going to read
the book when we get on this line.
418
00:26:49.775 --> 00:26:52.736
By the time we get to her,
this book will be finished. [chuckles]
419
00:26:56.573 --> 00:27:03.080 line:5%
There is nobody, you know, that built
the empire as far as the brand
420
00:27:03.497 --> 00:27:04.540 line:5%
like she did.
421
00:27:05.207 --> 00:27:11.463 line:5%
I-- I don't know of another authoress
that has done that.
422
00:27:11.547 --> 00:27:12.965
[indistinct chatter]
423
00:27:13.549 --> 00:27:16.593
I can tell you it's substantial,
I can tell you it's millions,
424
00:27:16.677 --> 00:27:19.471
but, you know,
I certainly can't tell you what,
425
00:27:19.555 --> 00:27:22.099
you know, her empire was worth.
426
00:27:23.809 --> 00:27:26.145
[interviewer] But in Hollywood terms
it was significant?
427
00:27:26.228 --> 00:27:27.396
Substantial.
428
00:27:28.605 --> 00:27:29.731
[interviewer] Yeah.
429
00:27:32.776 --> 00:27:36.780
[Rory] To be an author and to also
have that level of celebrity,
430
00:27:37.156 --> 00:27:38.532
that was unheard of.
431
00:27:40.826 --> 00:27:43.704
[Tiffany] She was a larger
than life character.
432
00:27:45.164 --> 00:27:46.415
She was there for all her friends,
433
00:27:46.498 --> 00:27:48.417
everybody thought
that they were the best friend.
434
00:27:49.334 --> 00:27:54.673
My name is Laura Lizer
and I was Jackie's business manager,
435
00:27:54.756 --> 00:27:56.967
but also, I was her best friend.
436
00:27:57.384 --> 00:28:01.221
I'm Jan Gold
and I'm Jackie Collins' best friend.
437
00:28:01.763 --> 00:28:06.393
My relationship
to Jackie Collins is a best friend.
438
00:28:07.144 --> 00:28:08.312
[sighs]
439
00:28:08.645 --> 00:28:10.355
Well, anyway.
440
00:28:12.441 --> 00:28:14.693
-[caller] Good morning, Jackie.
-Good morning, how are you?
441
00:28:14.776 --> 00:28:16.612
[caller] I'm doing great,
can you tell me--
442
00:28:17.529 --> 00:28:19.198
-…in just a couple of minutes.
-Okay.
443
00:28:19.531 --> 00:28:20.657
[static]
444
00:28:21.617 --> 00:28:23.577
[Tita] She lived in Jackie land.
445
00:28:25.370 --> 00:28:31.710
But she was far more fragile
than she would have you know.
446
00:28:34.213 --> 00:28:39.009
Very few people saw past the facade.
447
00:28:42.304 --> 00:28:44.765
[hums]
448
00:28:45.891 --> 00:28:47.684
-[projector whirring]
-[birds singing]
449
00:28:49.728 --> 00:28:51.188
[soft music playing]
450
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.027
[narrator] "Twenty-third of Feb.
I went around several model agencies."
451
00:28:58.278 --> 00:29:00.822
"Went for an interview
and I had to put on my bikini."
452
00:29:02.324 --> 00:29:04.952
"In makeup
I was told my nose was too long."
453
00:29:05.827 --> 00:29:08.789
"Went to see Bill Watts,
he said my eyebrows were too thick."
454
00:29:09.957 --> 00:29:12.417
"I look awful, Joan told me so."
455
00:29:15.337 --> 00:29:17.047
"I wish I could get some work."
456
00:29:20.300 --> 00:29:21.843
[Joan] She did a picture
with Alec Guinness,
457
00:29:21.927 --> 00:29:24.179
I remember
she was very excited about that.
458
00:29:26.014 --> 00:29:29.101
And then she played
opposite Roger Moore in The Saint.
459
00:29:35.941 --> 00:29:40.696
And then Daddy sent her off
on the variety circuit
460
00:29:40.904 --> 00:29:45.993
and she was billed
as Joan Collins' younger sister,
461
00:29:46.159 --> 00:29:49.204
which I think infuriated her.
462
00:29:54.334 --> 00:29:55.961
She didn't want
to be associated with me,
463
00:29:56.044 --> 00:29:58.005
because people
would always ask her about me, you know.
464
00:30:07.055 --> 00:30:08.598
[narrator] "Twenty-first of September."
465
00:30:09.975 --> 00:30:12.102 line:5%
"Went to Harley Street
to have a nose operation."
466
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:15.022 line:5%
"I can't swallow or breathe
and look like a monster."
467
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:17.941
[Tita] I hate to say these things,
468
00:30:18.150 --> 00:30:23.697
but Jackie had a lot of fixing
to do and she struggled with weight.
469
00:30:24.114 --> 00:30:28.702
And the teeth are done
and the nose was done.
470
00:30:28.785 --> 00:30:35.375
I mean, I'm just being frank,
but she made herself just beautiful.
471
00:30:37.919 --> 00:30:39.713
[narrator] "Twenty-eighth of October."
472
00:30:40.547 --> 00:30:42.257
"I love my new nose."
473
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.093
["My Dearest One" playing]
474
00:30:51.850 --> 00:30:53.226
♪ There is one… ♪
475
00:30:55.312 --> 00:30:56.563
[narrator] "May 17th."
476
00:30:56.813 --> 00:30:59.608
"Had dinner at Wallace's with him,
a nice quiet evening."
477
00:31:00.692 --> 00:31:02.319
"Lately things are great with us."
478
00:31:02.402 --> 00:31:04.363
♪ I want you near to me… ♪
479
00:31:05.906 --> 00:31:09.534 line:5%
[Jennifer] She had had some
flood damage in one of her rooms,
480
00:31:09.701 --> 00:31:12.788 line:5%
and, um, we had to
go through a number of items
481
00:31:12.871 --> 00:31:19.461 line:5%
and there was a suitcase on
a shelf that, um, I opened and she said,
482
00:31:19.544 --> 00:31:21.755 line:5%
"Oh, that was my--
My first wedding dress."
483
00:31:22.089 --> 00:31:23.965
[indistinct chatter]
484
00:31:25.300 --> 00:31:27.177
♪ Truly I do… ♪
485
00:31:27.260 --> 00:31:29.304
[Tiffany]
I don't know how they met actually.
486
00:31:30.013 --> 00:31:33.266
But Wallace sort of appeared in her life.
487
00:31:33.975 --> 00:31:36.561
-[Bill] They met at a dinner party.
-[laughs]
488
00:31:37.562 --> 00:31:40.774
He was very charismatic, he was lovely,
he was a very nice person.
489
00:31:40.857 --> 00:31:43.276
♪ But please… ♪
490
00:31:43.360 --> 00:31:47.656
[Joan] He was from a nice family
and my parents liked him a lot.
491
00:31:47.739 --> 00:31:50.158
He was solid, he had a business.
492
00:31:51.743 --> 00:31:53.662
[Tracy] She'd been struggling
in her career,
493
00:31:53.745 --> 00:31:56.206
she hadn't really become an actress.
494
00:31:56.456 --> 00:31:59.709
And she was really swept off her feet.
495
00:31:59.793 --> 00:32:02.921
You know, they went to Gstaad
and they went skiing
496
00:32:03.004 --> 00:32:05.882
and they went here and they went there
and he took her to Italy.
497
00:32:07.134 --> 00:32:10.971
It was an incredibly sort
of whirlwind romance.
498
00:32:13.014 --> 00:32:17.352
[Rory] Wallace was very desirable
in the kind of social scene.
499
00:32:18.895 --> 00:32:20.147
Had a lot of ladies.
500
00:32:20.856 --> 00:32:23.108
And I think, you know,
that she liked a challenge.
501
00:32:24.401 --> 00:32:25.735
[indistinct chatter]
502
00:32:26.486 --> 00:32:29.698
[Tracy] He was what they would consider
in those days a playboy.
503
00:32:30.740 --> 00:32:32.159
But he had money
and it would mean
504
00:32:32.492 --> 00:32:36.079
that she was be able
to move away from her father.
505
00:32:37.414 --> 00:32:41.585
[narrator] "We drove to Sanremo
for the day, went to Monte Carlo Casino,
506
00:32:42.002 --> 00:32:45.005
-later ate at the harbor in Cannes."
-[laughs]
507
00:32:45.505 --> 00:32:49.217
♪ I do ♪
508
00:32:49.593 --> 00:32:53.847
[Rory] When Hollywood didn't happen,
I'm guessing she just thought,
509
00:32:54.347 --> 00:32:56.183
"Maybe I'll just get married."
510
00:32:57.434 --> 00:33:01.354
[narrator] "April 21st.
Daddy started talking about me and W."
511
00:33:02.606 --> 00:33:04.191
"We discussed getting engaged."
512
00:33:06.943 --> 00:33:13.116
[Joan] It was a very, very big,
fancy-schmancy wedding at Roman House.
513
00:33:15.619 --> 00:33:19.706
Jackie had a 21 inch waist,
she looked absolutely ravishing.
514
00:33:20.540 --> 00:33:22.334
Wallace was in a top hat.
515
00:33:22.959 --> 00:33:27.380
-Oh, God! And I came with Warren.
-[indistinct chatter]
516
00:33:28.381 --> 00:33:30.592
We took pictures, we made speeches.
517
00:33:31.760 --> 00:33:34.679
It was a lovely wedding.
518
00:33:40.227 --> 00:33:44.231
Later she had showed me
a photograph of her in that--
519
00:33:44.356 --> 00:33:49.611
In that dress and we talked
about Wallace, we talked about, um,
520
00:33:50.028 --> 00:33:53.990
just that he was not emotionally well.
521
00:33:54.699 --> 00:33:57.577
[narrator] "Spent the day
with Wallace, he's still ill."
522
00:33:58.078 --> 00:34:00.163
"I'm so happy with him most times."
523
00:34:00.789 --> 00:34:05.752
Very quickly on, she saw something
that was really concerning
524
00:34:05.835 --> 00:34:08.880
and really difficult
and didn't understand it.
525
00:34:10.048 --> 00:34:11.800
[narrator] "Wallace stayed
in bed all day."
526
00:34:12.842 --> 00:34:14.344
"Atmosphere strained."
527
00:34:15.720 --> 00:34:20.684
He had gotten involved in a doctor
who started to heavily medicate him.
528
00:34:21.309 --> 00:34:24.980
And consequently that led
to him becoming an addict.
529
00:34:26.773 --> 00:34:29.985
[narrator] "Ever since our marriage,
my husband has been a drug addict."
530
00:34:31.278 --> 00:34:34.573
"My husband always objected
to my having friends into our home,
531
00:34:34.656 --> 00:34:37.409
and would be in a drugged condition
when my friends arrived."
532
00:34:37.492 --> 00:34:38.994
"To such an extent that my…"
533
00:34:39.077 --> 00:34:43.331
[Tracy] She was a young woman,
married, pregnant with me,
534
00:34:43.540 --> 00:34:50.255
with a husband who was,
you know, severely, um, mentally ill.
535
00:34:50.338 --> 00:34:53.174
[narrator] "At twelve o'clock midnight,
he leaped out of bed
536
00:34:53.341 --> 00:34:55.552
and I discovered
he had taken some methedrine."
537
00:34:58.305 --> 00:35:01.516
[Tracy] "He rushed to the balcony
saying he was going to throw himself off."
538
00:35:03.393 --> 00:35:07.147
"After some 15 minutes, Wallace
did not reappear from the balcony."
539
00:35:07.397 --> 00:35:09.232
"And growing very worried
about his threat,
540
00:35:09.357 --> 00:35:11.651
I went to look for him
and found the balcony empty."
541
00:35:11.818 --> 00:35:13.236 line:5%
[somber music playing]
542
00:35:16.531 --> 00:35:20.201 line:5%
He used to threaten her,
I think is the right word,
543
00:35:20.285 --> 00:35:23.163 line:5%
that if she left him,
that he would commit suicide.
544
00:35:24.331 --> 00:35:25.415
[narrator] "July 12th."
545
00:35:25.915 --> 00:35:30.086
"Wallace kept me up all night,
was violent and abusive."
546
00:35:34.257 --> 00:35:37.927
[Joan] I came back from Hollywood,
Tracy was born.
547
00:35:41.097 --> 00:35:42.515
[Bill] I would say it was difficult.
548
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:46.144
She had Tracy, Tracy was very young,
and we were looking after her
549
00:35:46.227 --> 00:35:50.231
and going to visit Wallace
at the various hospitals he was in.
550
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.529
[narrator] "Dear Mrs. Austin,
I'm writing to let you know
551
00:35:56.696 --> 00:35:59.699
that your husband has agreed
to undergo some electrical treatment,
552
00:36:00.200 --> 00:36:02.035
which we hope will ease his tension."
553
00:36:02.911 --> 00:36:04.954
"He received his first treatment
this morning,
554
00:36:05.121 --> 00:36:06.498
but I am very glad to say that…"
555
00:36:06.581 --> 00:36:11.002
[Tracy] Electroshock therapy
was very brutal, it was very primitive.
556
00:36:12.796 --> 00:36:15.256
So not knowing the kind
of husband that she would get back
557
00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:20.011
after something like that, the fear
must have been, you know, enormous.
558
00:36:20.095 --> 00:36:21.471
-[dog barking]
-[ominous music playing]
559
00:36:28.061 --> 00:36:31.314
My mom absolutely
worshipped her mom.
560
00:36:33.149 --> 00:36:36.069
Elsa was kind of like this angel,
561
00:36:36.903 --> 00:36:40.657
very warm,
very nurturing, very, very loving.
562
00:36:46.287 --> 00:36:52.460
[Joan] Daddy said, "We are not to mention
that she has got cancer,
563
00:36:52.544 --> 00:36:58.299
we don't use that word."
She's got a virus, she has a bad flu.
564
00:36:58.591 --> 00:37:02.679
It was as though, you know, she had some
horrible communic--
565
00:37:02.762 --> 00:37:08.935
I mean, it was really
terrifying how strongly he felt about it
566
00:37:09.018 --> 00:37:14.190
and we would talk about it,
we would cry a lot, we would visit her.
567
00:37:15.942 --> 00:37:21.614
And Jackie had Tracy
and she would bring Tracy,
568
00:37:21.698 --> 00:37:24.367
little baby Tracy to see Mommy.
569
00:37:24.701 --> 00:37:26.161
[somber music playing]
570
00:37:28.747 --> 00:37:31.958
She had a dying mother,
571
00:37:32.417 --> 00:37:37.213
a father who was so bereft,
but covering it all up,
572
00:37:38.089 --> 00:37:41.176
and this husband
who I think was now doping.
573
00:37:42.427 --> 00:37:45.221
It must have been very, very hard for her.
574
00:37:48.892 --> 00:37:52.395
[narrator] "Wallace phoned me and said,
'The Lord will have your soul.'"
575
00:37:53.021 --> 00:37:55.190
"He spoke of taking Tracy into court."
576
00:37:58.151 --> 00:38:00.695
[Tracy] Suddenly she
was completely trapped…
577
00:38:00.779 --> 00:38:01.863
[baby babbles]
578
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:05.116
…and probably with no notion of,
579
00:38:05.200 --> 00:38:07.535
"How do I get out of this
and what do I do?"
580
00:38:08.328 --> 00:38:09.871
[dramatic music playing]
581
00:38:11.247 --> 00:38:12.707
[car engine starts]
582
00:38:17.754 --> 00:38:19.339
[Melody] She didn't have any money,
583
00:38:20.215 --> 00:38:22.217
but she got up enough courage to leave
584
00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:24.552
in the middle of the night
and never looked back.
585
00:38:26.513 --> 00:38:31.226
And shortly after, she found out
that he had killed himself.
586
00:38:31.392 --> 00:38:32.727
["Misty Moon" playing]
587
00:38:33.603 --> 00:38:37.232
I think the circumstances
of his death were pretty horrible.
588
00:38:37.690 --> 00:38:41.277
You know, going off
into the black forest
589
00:38:41.361 --> 00:38:45.573
and I think he was taking pills,
I'm not quite sure how it happened.
590
00:38:45.657 --> 00:38:47.992
♪ Since my lover had gone… ♪
591
00:38:48.076 --> 00:38:51.454
[host] As a teenage girl, you married
a businessman who was older than you,
592
00:38:51.538 --> 00:38:56.459
who you've described honestly as dynamic,
exciting, but a manic depressive
593
00:38:56.918 --> 00:38:58.628
who was dependent upon drugs.
594
00:38:59.462 --> 00:39:01.506
You divorced him
after four years of marriage
595
00:39:01.589 --> 00:39:03.716
and shortly afterwards he was found dead.
596
00:39:05.176 --> 00:39:07.512
And you have a daughter
from this marriage.
597
00:39:10.181 --> 00:39:13.518
I mean, I knew he would do it,
I knew two years before he would do it.
598
00:39:13.768 --> 00:39:16.563
And you can't live your life
with somebody saying to you,
599
00:39:16.646 --> 00:39:18.273
"I'm going to kill myself
if you leave me,"
600
00:39:18.356 --> 00:39:20.358
or, "I'm going to kill myself
if you do this or that."
601
00:39:20.525 --> 00:39:22.527
Eventually you have to go off
and live your life
602
00:39:22.610 --> 00:39:23.778
and you can't feel guilty about it.
603
00:39:23.862 --> 00:39:26.739
I've never felt guilty about it
because I knew he was going to do it
604
00:39:26.823 --> 00:39:28.741
and there was nothing
that would have stopped him.
605
00:39:28.825 --> 00:39:30.910
I wouldn't have stopped him,
nobody could have stopped him.
606
00:39:34.455 --> 00:39:37.667
[Tracy] This was the defining point
I'm guessing in her life
607
00:39:38.793 --> 00:39:43.298
to moving her on, I think, to--
To protecting herself.
608
00:39:43.381 --> 00:39:44.465
And how did she do that?
609
00:39:44.549 --> 00:39:48.219
She… She created a world for herself,
610
00:39:48.511 --> 00:39:52.682
of wonderful characters
who wouldn't let her down.
611
00:39:53.474 --> 00:39:55.768
Hi, I'm Jackie Collins.
612
00:39:55.935 --> 00:40:01.107
I write novels, big long powerful stories,
the kind I like to read.
613
00:40:01.232 --> 00:40:04.193
And thanks to you I've been lucky,
they've all been bestsellers.
614
00:40:04.277 --> 00:40:05.486
And now I'd like you to get…
615
00:40:05.570 --> 00:40:08.615
[Tracy] If she could become successful
in her own right,
616
00:40:08.740 --> 00:40:11.659
nobody else could take that away from her.
617
00:40:11.743 --> 00:40:13.369
[upbeat music playing]
618
00:40:15.747 --> 00:40:19.125
The double standard,
I grew up with it, didn't you?
619
00:40:19.208 --> 00:40:22.253
Men, as far as far as I could tell,
had it all their own way,
620
00:40:22.337 --> 00:40:23.963
and women were very good about it.
621
00:40:24.047 --> 00:40:26.549
They accepted it,
as if it was their light in life to wait
622
00:40:26.633 --> 00:40:28.551
quietly in the kitchen or the bedroom.
623
00:40:28.718 --> 00:40:29.844
[crowd chanting]
624
00:40:30.470 --> 00:40:33.640
[Jackie] Why,
I ask myself, why do we accept it?
625
00:40:33.973 --> 00:40:36.601
Why do we tolerate a society
which nods approvingly
626
00:40:36.684 --> 00:40:39.938
if a married man plays around,
but if a married woman does it,
627
00:40:40.021 --> 00:40:43.441
"Oh, dear me. She's a slut,
a tramp, a bad woman."
628
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.446
[Morton] She writes about a woman being
sexually harassed on the job.
629
00:40:48.696 --> 00:40:50.073
[crowd chanting]
630
00:40:51.282 --> 00:40:53.660
-A horrific marriage.
-[crowd chanting]
631
00:40:54.160 --> 00:40:56.829
A man who destroys her temperamentally.
632
00:40:56.955 --> 00:41:00.458
-[crowd chanting]
-The authors who do the best
633
00:41:01.250 --> 00:41:03.962
are the ones
who personally feel those problems.
634
00:41:04.253 --> 00:41:05.588
[indistinct chatter]
635
00:41:06.464 --> 00:41:09.550
[host] What does feminism mean
to you then if you are a feminist?
636
00:41:09.717 --> 00:41:14.055
It means, um… It means freedom,
it means sexual freedom,
637
00:41:14.138 --> 00:41:15.640
I don't like the double standard.
638
00:41:15.723 --> 00:41:17.892
I think that, you know,
women and men should be able
639
00:41:17.976 --> 00:41:19.686
-to be as free as each other.
-["Vitamin C" playing]
640
00:41:19.811 --> 00:41:21.229
♪ Hey, you ♪
641
00:41:23.898 --> 00:41:25.066
♪ You're losing… ♪
642
00:41:25.149 --> 00:41:31.114
[Joan] She would go for the hunks,
the bodybuilders, the six packers.
643
00:41:32.031 --> 00:41:36.244
I mean, she was still very young,
she was 21 or 22 years old.
644
00:41:36.327 --> 00:41:39.914
♪ You're losing, you're losing
You're losing, you're losing… ♪
645
00:41:39.998 --> 00:41:45.086
[Tracy] She certainly got back
into having a few relationships.
646
00:41:46.796 --> 00:41:51.259
What her own turmoil was after my father,
I don't know.
647
00:41:52.802 --> 00:41:58.808
But she felt that,
you know, she deserved more.
648
00:42:00.268 --> 00:42:01.477
♪ Hey, you ♪
649
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.315
♪ You're losing, you're losing ♪
650
00:42:06.399 --> 00:42:09.819
♪ You're losing
You're losing your vitamin C ♪
651
00:42:12.447 --> 00:42:13.656
♪ Hey, you ♪
652
00:42:23.791 --> 00:42:25.501
-[interviewer] So, Johnny, can you just…
-[Johnny Gold] Yes.
653
00:42:25.626 --> 00:42:27.628
[interviewer]
…tell me a little bit about yourself?
654
00:42:27.712 --> 00:42:32.050 line:5%
My name is Johnny Gold.
I was a partner of Oscar Lerman.
655
00:42:32.425 --> 00:42:34.010 line:5%
[indistinct chatter]
656
00:42:35.053 --> 00:42:37.805
I first met him, I think it was '62.
657
00:42:38.097 --> 00:42:39.891
[seagulls crying]
658
00:42:40.808 --> 00:42:43.519
He said to me, "How would you like to be
in the club business?"
659
00:42:44.312 --> 00:42:45.897
I said, "Well,
I don't know anything about it."
660
00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:47.106
He said, "You'll learn."
661
00:42:47.774 --> 00:42:52.195
So I said, "Well, fine."
And we opened Tramp.
662
00:42:52.653 --> 00:42:54.530
[disco music playing]
663
00:43:03.247 --> 00:43:05.458
[Tita] Oh, I met everybody at Tramp.
664
00:43:05.875 --> 00:43:09.045
I met Muhammad Ali,
I met the Caines, I met…
665
00:43:09.128 --> 00:43:12.882
Oh, whoever was in town
all stopped at Tramp.
666
00:43:13.174 --> 00:43:14.884
♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪
667
00:43:16.803 --> 00:43:20.723
Jackie and myself, and even Joan as well,
we would go to this club,
668
00:43:20.807 --> 00:43:23.184
because it was the most in club in London.
669
00:43:26.896 --> 00:43:29.524
♪ I'll do anything you ask me to… ♪
670
00:43:29.941 --> 00:43:35.321 line:5%
She used to sweep in looking amazing
in this skin tight low cut black dress.
671
00:43:35.488 --> 00:43:38.783 line:5%
She had the dynamite figure
and it always had zhuzh around
672
00:43:38.866 --> 00:43:41.994 line:5%
and all the guys would be panting.
673
00:43:43.162 --> 00:43:48.167
[Johnny] Oscar and I are sitting there
and Oscar says, "Oh, my God."
674
00:43:48.584 --> 00:43:50.211
And I looked and it's Jackie.
675
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:55.466
And I said, "Oh, my God, Johnny.
I'm going to marry that girl." [chuckles]
676
00:43:56.676 --> 00:44:00.638
[Tracy] I know she had two men
that both asked her to marry them
677
00:44:00.763 --> 00:44:04.559
and she took me away on holiday
with both of them
678
00:44:05.309 --> 00:44:07.145
to decide who was better with me.
679
00:44:07.228 --> 00:44:11.023
[chuckling] So that would have been,
you know, very confusing for me,
680
00:44:11.107 --> 00:44:13.734
but nonetheless,
she came back and decided
681
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:15.987
that Oscar was the man for her.
682
00:44:16.112 --> 00:44:18.447
-[soft music playing]
-[indistinct chatter]
683
00:44:19.699 --> 00:44:22.702
[Joan] Everybody loved Oscar,
they really did.
684
00:44:22.827 --> 00:44:24.871
I never heard a bad word about him.
685
00:44:27.415 --> 00:44:30.710
And he worshipped
the ground she walked on.
686
00:44:37.425 --> 00:44:40.011
[Johnny] And the first apartment
they lived in was the one
687
00:44:40.094 --> 00:44:41.846
that Jackie was already living in.
688
00:44:42.930 --> 00:44:46.017
And one day he found this manuscript.
689
00:44:47.727 --> 00:44:50.396
And Oscar said, "What is this, Jackie?"
690
00:44:52.607 --> 00:44:55.151
And she said,
"Well, I started to try write a book."
691
00:44:57.653 --> 00:45:00.198
So Oscar took it and read it
and he said it was good,
692
00:45:00.281 --> 00:45:01.657
he said, "I was really shocked."
693
00:45:02.575 --> 00:45:04.118
And he said, "I made her finish it."
694
00:45:04.202 --> 00:45:05.745
I said,
"Jackie you've got to finish this book."
695
00:45:07.663 --> 00:45:08.915
[Jackie] I'd been writing all my life.
696
00:45:08.998 --> 00:45:11.250
I'd written a lot
of half books that I hadn't finished,
697
00:45:11.334 --> 00:45:13.586
and he was the first person
that said to me,
698
00:45:13.711 --> 00:45:16.255
"It's absolutely terrific
and you can do it."
699
00:45:16.422 --> 00:45:18.674
And so I did it, I mean,
he said, "You've got to finish it."
700
00:45:18.758 --> 00:45:20.718
I'd never finished anything up
until that time.
701
00:45:23.346 --> 00:45:27.183
I think that had been
in her sort of psyche for a long time.
702
00:45:28.476 --> 00:45:31.812
Because she had a lot
of trauma, you know, prior to that.
703
00:45:32.897 --> 00:45:37.026
But she found that very,
very painful to talk about.
704
00:45:38.027 --> 00:45:40.696
Certainly, you know,
to be able to sit down and write.
705
00:45:41.364 --> 00:45:44.200
That was her sort of lifeline.
706
00:45:47.578 --> 00:45:49.455
[Jackie] It took me forever,
but I finished it.
707
00:45:49.872 --> 00:45:51.624
And then I looked along my bookcase
708
00:45:51.707 --> 00:45:54.752
and saw a publisher that I had
a lot of their books and I thought,
709
00:45:54.877 --> 00:45:57.838
"Well, if I like what they publish,
maybe they'll like what I write."
710
00:46:00.967 --> 00:46:04.637
[Tracy] In those days you actually
had to send a big thick manuscript off.
711
00:46:06.097 --> 00:46:10.726
And I think it got picked up by
the first publisher that it got sent to.
712
00:46:12.603 --> 00:46:14.188
Four hundred pounds.
713
00:46:15.564 --> 00:46:18.192
Four hundred pounds
she got for that first book.
714
00:46:18.859 --> 00:46:22.154
How did I remember that? Anyway, um…
715
00:46:22.238 --> 00:46:23.698
[interviewer]
And what was that book called?
716
00:46:24.073 --> 00:46:26.450
I think-- Was it
The World Is Full of Married Men?
717
00:46:26.534 --> 00:46:28.411 line:5%
["Devil Woman" playing]
718
00:46:32.540 --> 00:46:35.376
"Chapter one. Claudia was in bed,
719
00:46:35.459 --> 00:46:38.963
she was a very beautiful girl
and she knew it."
720
00:46:39.213 --> 00:46:42.591
"And David knew it,
so everyone was happy."
721
00:46:43.050 --> 00:46:47.221
"She caressed his back,
and he felt desire rise up in him again."
722
00:46:47.763 --> 00:46:49.932
"She'd only to touch him
and he wanted her."
723
00:46:50.474 --> 00:46:53.060
"There's only one little problem,
I don't want to marry you."
724
00:46:53.686 --> 00:46:56.939
"Not even if you were free
and we could rush off and do it now."
725
00:46:57.398 --> 00:47:01.861
"I want to do what I want to do,
whenever I want."
726
00:47:01.986 --> 00:47:04.488
"No ties, no strings,
I don't want marriage,
727
00:47:04.572 --> 00:47:06.240
it means nothing to me."
728
00:47:08.075 --> 00:47:10.077
♪ She's just a devil woman… ♪
729
00:47:10.161 --> 00:47:13.622
[Jan] She firmly believed that it would
do well, she was that positive.
730
00:47:15.166 --> 00:47:20.212
But I think she was surprised
at how amazingly well it did do.
731
00:47:20.421 --> 00:47:24.842
And of course the one thing we all loved
was that end killer line,
732
00:47:25.301 --> 00:47:27.386
"Justice for all females."
733
00:47:28.846 --> 00:47:31.515
[Tracy] They published,
you know, 2,000 books,
734
00:47:32.350 --> 00:47:34.894
and within eight weeks,
suddenly, you know,
735
00:47:34.977 --> 00:47:37.104
oh, my God,
we're going into a 100,000.
736
00:47:37.188 --> 00:47:39.774
♪ Let me see the lines on your hand… ♪
737
00:47:40.691 --> 00:47:45.404
[Jeffrey Lane] I'd worked with Joan
as a publicist since the late 60s.
738
00:47:46.947 --> 00:47:51.577
Joan took me to a party in London at Tramp
739
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.164
at the book launch
for The World Is Full of Married Men.
740
00:47:57.291 --> 00:48:02.671 line:5%
Jackie was the first author
to write about women who were…
741
00:48:03.130 --> 00:48:06.258 line:5%
Who behaved like men,
who did what men did
742
00:48:06.801 --> 00:48:10.888 line:5%
and didn't apologize
or excuse themselves.
743
00:48:11.555 --> 00:48:15.434
[Tracy] So it very quickly made her very
controversial at a very young age.
744
00:48:17.561 --> 00:48:19.647
[Bill] They had two children,
Tiffany and Rory.
745
00:48:21.023 --> 00:48:22.900
Oscar was earning money with the club…
746
00:48:23.901 --> 00:48:26.612
and it enabled her to just write.
747
00:48:27.988 --> 00:48:32.410
He wasn't at all threatened
by her talent or her creativity, you know,
748
00:48:32.493 --> 00:48:36.372
he really just wanted to, you know,
he wanted to help her develop that.
749
00:48:36.455 --> 00:48:37.706
[indistinct chatter]
750
00:48:38.332 --> 00:48:42.044
When they'd come back from Tramp,
they'd stay up, you know,
751
00:48:42.128 --> 00:48:43.504
drinking and playing charades.
752
00:48:45.464 --> 00:48:48.175
There was always a sense
that she was researching.
753
00:48:50.261 --> 00:48:52.304
[Johnny] You know,
the names were slightly changed,
754
00:48:52.388 --> 00:48:55.724
but you could recognize them
if you were on that scene
755
00:48:55.808 --> 00:48:59.353
and we knew who she was writing about. Um…
756
00:48:59.437 --> 00:49:00.604
[interviewer] How about you?
757
00:49:00.771 --> 00:49:04.233
Well, a lot of people thought The Stud
was me, but it wasn't.
758
00:49:05.401 --> 00:49:07.194
-[interviewer] Jackie said it was you.
-[Johnny] Did she?
759
00:49:07.278 --> 00:49:10.197
Well, she called me a sexual athlete,
I mean, that's not bad.
760
00:49:11.699 --> 00:49:15.953
[Joan] When I read The Stud, I said,
this would make a great movie.
761
00:49:16.662 --> 00:49:21.625
I'd now been an actress
for over 20 years, 22 years.
762
00:49:21.834 --> 00:49:22.710
[screaming]
763
00:49:22.793 --> 00:49:26.213
I'd done this terrible movie called
Empire of the Ants.
764
00:49:27.673 --> 00:49:29.425
[screaming] Get me out of here!
765
00:49:30.009 --> 00:49:33.679
And, um, you know, I was--
Parts weren't coming my way.
766
00:49:34.513 --> 00:49:36.599
Joan was really famous…
767
00:49:38.601 --> 00:49:42.646
before Jackie, right,
really famous, huge in London.
768
00:49:44.732 --> 00:49:48.569
And then Jackie started to become famous,
769
00:49:49.653 --> 00:49:51.363
but Joan's acting at that point…
770
00:49:53.866 --> 00:49:54.867
not much.
771
00:49:55.784 --> 00:49:57.620
[Jan] I mean, Joan was nothing,
772
00:49:58.120 --> 00:50:01.040
and I don't think Jackie
ever thought that would happen.
773
00:50:01.624 --> 00:50:05.461
And I certainly
don't think she ever thought…
774
00:50:07.505 --> 00:50:09.882
she would revive Joan's career.
775
00:50:10.257 --> 00:50:13.385
So I asked Jackie
if she would write the script
776
00:50:13.469 --> 00:50:16.555
and that I could then start taking
it to various producers,
777
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.517
to various people
that I knew to get it financed.
778
00:50:19.600 --> 00:50:22.228
[Johnny] "The Stud by Jackie Collins."
779
00:50:23.187 --> 00:50:28.567
"Fontaine came in,
I followed her to a small elevator
780
00:50:29.068 --> 00:50:32.112
and we pressed closely together
as it started up."
781
00:50:34.698 --> 00:50:35.783
What's going on?
782
00:50:36.325 --> 00:50:38.244
"'Are we there?' I asked foolishly."
783
00:50:38.452 --> 00:50:42.498
"'No, but we soon can be,' she replied,
pulling up my trousers."
784
00:50:42.665 --> 00:50:44.166
-[moaning]
-That's right.
785
00:50:45.042 --> 00:50:47.795
[Johnny] "Screw me, you bastard!
Keep it hard!"
786
00:50:48.671 --> 00:50:51.215
[Oliver Tobias]
When I first read the original script,
787
00:50:51.298 --> 00:50:54.718 line:5%
I thought it was just like
a silly sort of soft porn opera,
788
00:50:54.802 --> 00:50:56.679 line:5%
it had nothing going for it.
789
00:50:57.179 --> 00:51:00.975 line:5%
And now we've made an interpretation out
of it, it's a very different story.
790
00:51:01.058 --> 00:51:05.521
Oliver Tobias thought he was the second
coming of Rock Hudson.
791
00:51:05.604 --> 00:51:08.274
-[suspense music playing]
-[woman] You're my Christmas present.
792
00:51:09.275 --> 00:51:11.569
[Oliver] Jackie Collins is a good writer,
793
00:51:11.735 --> 00:51:14.405
but, I mean,
movie making is a different medium.
794
00:51:14.947 --> 00:51:18.284
You know, I mean, you're making movies,
it's a director's medium
795
00:51:18.617 --> 00:51:21.537
and he's the painter
and the actor's the color.
796
00:51:22.037 --> 00:51:24.206
I'm a color in a picture.
797
00:51:26.083 --> 00:51:26.959
[splash]
798
00:51:27.293 --> 00:51:28.794
[birds singing]
799
00:51:29.545 --> 00:51:33.716
The-- The attitude towards women writing
films and scripts is changing now.
800
00:51:33.882 --> 00:51:36.093
I think before they were supposed
to write films about ladies
801
00:51:36.176 --> 00:51:39.513
that had nervous breakdowns
in southern Wales or something.
802
00:51:39.597 --> 00:51:41.473
I think all that has changed,
I hope so anyway.
803
00:51:44.310 --> 00:51:46.812
[Bill] There was great snobbery
at that time.
804
00:51:49.773 --> 00:51:52.568
[narrator] Where would we all be I wonder
without the jet set?
805
00:51:53.611 --> 00:51:56.447
They have turned boredom
into an art form and big fat books
806
00:51:56.530 --> 00:51:59.366
have also been based
on their aimless comings and goings.
807
00:51:59.783 --> 00:52:03.287
-Ladies and gentlemen, Jackie Collins.
-[soft music playing]
808
00:52:06.332 --> 00:52:09.335
[Bill] But, look, Jackie was laughing
all the way to the bank.
809
00:52:11.337 --> 00:52:13.922
[Tracy] She had found, you know, her niche
810
00:52:14.006 --> 00:52:17.509
and she went on to write
many successful books after that.
811
00:52:20.512 --> 00:52:26.435
But the criticisms throughout
the '70s felt I think to her quite, um…
812
00:52:27.353 --> 00:52:28.354
Quite difficult.
813
00:52:28.687 --> 00:52:31.857
You realized that you could write a book
that had a lot of sex in it,
814
00:52:31.940 --> 00:52:34.735
that was very upfront about these things
and that people would buy it.
815
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:35.986
Now, that was no accident.
816
00:52:36.070 --> 00:52:37.237
[Jackie] I have to stop you there
817
00:52:37.321 --> 00:52:39.281
because I've never written
for commercial reasons.
818
00:52:39.365 --> 00:52:44.328
Because I'm a woman writing this kind of--
They call it racy, raunchy literature,
819
00:52:44.411 --> 00:52:46.080
this shocks a lot of people.
820
00:52:46.205 --> 00:52:47.831
God forbid a woman should be writing
821
00:52:47.915 --> 00:52:51.377
about sex the way
that men are writing about sex.
822
00:52:51.502 --> 00:52:53.253
-[man] Have a little taste, Jackie.
-Probably will.
823
00:52:53.337 --> 00:52:54.380
-Of the wine?
-[man] Sure.
824
00:52:54.505 --> 00:52:58.008
-Yes, thank you.
-Do you still have the herpes, McLeane?
825
00:52:58.092 --> 00:52:59.718
[audience laughing]
826
00:53:00.636 --> 00:53:03.305
I would think, people always ask me
where I get all the characters from,
827
00:53:03.389 --> 00:53:04.932
well, here they are,
sitting all around me.
828
00:53:06.058 --> 00:53:08.102
[Tiffany] These men
didn't get called out on it.
829
00:53:09.228 --> 00:53:11.980
So it was a real double standard
that was really unfair.
830
00:53:14.024 --> 00:53:16.527
[Jackie] I had to get up at 6:00,
take the kids to school,
831
00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:18.487
make their lunch and I would be writing
832
00:53:18.696 --> 00:53:21.615
on my way to meet them
after school at every stop light.
833
00:53:23.117 --> 00:53:25.327
But to take a case like,
say, Jackie Collins, for example,
834
00:53:25.411 --> 00:53:27.246
now, there's no mastery of anything here.
835
00:53:27.329 --> 00:53:30.791
So, really the thing is just something
to decorate an airport bookstore.
836
00:53:31.083 --> 00:53:34.044
Jackie Collins is never going to become
classic no matter how long you wait.
837
00:53:34.128 --> 00:53:35.421
That's what I find interesting with that.
838
00:53:35.504 --> 00:53:37.965
It starts off as nothing
and ends up as nothing.
839
00:53:38.048 --> 00:53:41.218
Now as a woman in my fifties,
I get so many women
840
00:53:41.301 --> 00:53:42.803
who were teenagers at the same time
841
00:53:42.886 --> 00:53:46.390
I was a teenager saying, "Oh, my God,
your mom taught me everything about sex,"
842
00:53:46.473 --> 00:53:47.683
and I was like, "Oh, really?"
843
00:53:48.058 --> 00:53:52.479
Well, great, because she wrote
great sex in great books.
844
00:53:53.689 --> 00:53:56.024
[Jackie] And I'm not claiming
to be a great literary genius,
845
00:53:56.108 --> 00:53:58.277
I'm claiming to be a terrific storyteller.
846
00:53:58.902 --> 00:54:01.196
And so I would say that the people
who criticize me the most
847
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.282
are the ones who've never read me.
848
00:54:08.412 --> 00:54:09.580
[Tiffany] It hurt her.
849
00:54:10.956 --> 00:54:15.335
[Tracy] She was like, "I'm going to go out
there and make sure I protect myself."
850
00:54:23.469 --> 00:54:24.887
[audience applauding]
851
00:54:27.806 --> 00:54:30.392
She had to find an image…
852
00:54:30.476 --> 00:54:32.352
[man speaking indistinctly]
853
00:54:32.436 --> 00:54:34.354
…almost like a shield.
854
00:54:34.521 --> 00:54:36.398
[man] …successful novelist,
Jackie Collins.
855
00:54:37.816 --> 00:54:41.069
It was the hair pieces, it was the makeup.
856
00:54:41.153 --> 00:54:45.616
-It was the big hair before big hair.
-And you know the tie and the suit.
857
00:54:45.783 --> 00:54:49.119
-And the shoulders.
-And then fabulous jewels.
858
00:54:49.203 --> 00:54:51.413
Big yay earrings.
859
00:54:51.497 --> 00:54:53.457
[man] For those of you
who haven't read this latest…
860
00:54:53.791 --> 00:54:56.168
[Jeffrey] I mean, she became
the representative
861
00:54:56.251 --> 00:54:58.921
of the characters in her book.
862
00:55:00.839 --> 00:55:04.009
With cleavage
and jewels and looking gorgeous.
863
00:55:04.092 --> 00:55:06.553
And it was always quite startling.
864
00:55:08.806 --> 00:55:12.309
[Hazel] And she added the leopard print,
leopard print wasn't vogue.
865
00:55:13.435 --> 00:55:16.313
-[Laura] It was sort of a suit of armor.
-[audience applauding]
866
00:55:17.898 --> 00:55:23.320 line:5%
She got joy out of the sparkle,
but also felt somehow protected by it.
867
00:55:26.824 --> 00:55:29.701
[Joan] She phoned me up, I was in America.
868
00:55:31.286 --> 00:55:36.542
And I was extolling
the virtues of Los Angeles life to her.
869
00:55:37.584 --> 00:55:42.506
Her books had been really successful
in England, but not in America.
870
00:55:43.131 --> 00:55:47.177
And I said, "The only way to break into
America was to go and live in America."
871
00:55:49.012 --> 00:55:52.432
Oscar used to get a bit nervous at times,
his hands would shake.
872
00:55:52.558 --> 00:55:56.520
He said, "She wants us
to uproot and go to LA,
873
00:55:56.645 --> 00:55:58.689
because she thinks
she can make it there with the books."
874
00:56:01.108 --> 00:56:02.526
["Kids in America" playing]
875
00:56:02.734 --> 00:56:05.487
♪ Looking out a dirty old window ♪
876
00:56:05.737 --> 00:56:09.616
♪ Down below the cars
In the city go rushing by… ♪
877
00:56:09.700 --> 00:56:14.872
[Joan] So they picked up three children,
two dogs and they moved to America.
878
00:56:17.583 --> 00:56:21.712
♪ Friday night and everyone's moving
I can feel the heat… ♪
879
00:56:21.795 --> 00:56:23.714
[Tracy] She just had a sort of wanderlust.
880
00:56:23.797 --> 00:56:27.718
♪ Heading down I search
For the beat in this dirty town… ♪
881
00:56:28.093 --> 00:56:30.971
[Tracy] She was going
to do what she needed to do.
882
00:56:31.054 --> 00:56:32.389
♪ Young ones are growing ♪
883
00:56:32.806 --> 00:56:37.436
♪ We're the kids in America
We're the kids in America… ♪
884
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:39.688
[Tracy] She was going
to write that seminal book.
885
00:56:40.439 --> 00:56:43.525
She has over 16 million books in print
886
00:56:43.609 --> 00:56:45.736
and it took just two weeks
for her latest novel, Lucky,
887
00:56:45.903 --> 00:56:47.738
to become number one
on the best seller list,
888
00:56:47.821 --> 00:56:49.781
and she's joining us
from Los Angeles this morning,
889
00:56:49.865 --> 00:56:51.116
Good morning, nice to see you.
890
00:56:51.241 --> 00:56:52.993
Good morning, Joan, nice to see you too.
891
00:56:54.745 --> 00:56:57.998
[Rory] Mom always used to say,
"Lucky is who every woman wants to be."
892
00:56:58.081 --> 00:57:01.793
And I used to think, "Well, no actually,
Lucky is exactly who you want to be."
893
00:57:01.877 --> 00:57:05.255
But I think so many women
actually did relate to her.
894
00:57:05.339 --> 00:57:07.799
[Jackie] "Lucky Santangelo stood out
as she strode bristly
895
00:57:07.883 --> 00:57:09.384
through the crowd at the casino."
896
00:57:09.801 --> 00:57:14.848
"She was a strikingly beautiful woman
of 28 with an unruly mass of jet curls,
897
00:57:14.932 --> 00:57:17.851
black gypsy eyes, a wide sensual mouth…"
898
00:57:17.935 --> 00:57:20.604
You also have a mini-series that's going
to air, what, next week on NBC?
899
00:57:21.021 --> 00:57:24.316
Yes, three nights, six hours.
I wrote it myself and I co-produced it.
900
00:57:25.734 --> 00:57:28.403
"'I want to get laid,'
she thought, 'I need to.'"
901
00:57:29.655 --> 00:57:31.657
"It couldn't be just anybody,
902
00:57:32.282 --> 00:57:34.826
there had to be
a certain sexual chemistry."
903
00:57:36.954 --> 00:57:39.623
I've created some very strong heroines
over the years,
904
00:57:39.706 --> 00:57:42.209
and the strongest
of course is Lucky Santangelo.
905
00:57:43.085 --> 00:57:44.461
You bastard.
906
00:57:45.963 --> 00:57:49.132
[Jackie] When I'm writing Lucky,
I become Lucky.
907
00:57:50.008 --> 00:57:53.553
-How did you manage it?
-When I say I can do something, I deliver.
908
00:57:54.137 --> 00:57:58.767
[Rory] Lucky Santangelo was,
you know, really strident and really bold
909
00:57:58.850 --> 00:58:01.144
and really sexy and really empowered.
910
00:58:01.937 --> 00:58:03.105
[man] Looking good.
911
00:58:05.190 --> 00:58:06.233
Who, me?
912
00:58:06.316 --> 00:58:08.485
-[man] You always look good, Lucky.
-I do?
913
00:58:12.990 --> 00:58:14.032 line:5%
[man] Okay, here we go,
914
00:58:14.157 --> 00:58:16.785
[speaking foreign language]
915
00:58:16.868 --> 00:58:19.788
On TV One tonight, I'm Jackie Collins.
916
00:58:19.871 --> 00:58:21.665
[announcer] Jackie Collins, best seller…
917
00:58:21.790 --> 00:58:22.749 line:5%
[speaking foreign language]
918
00:58:22.916 --> 00:58:25.961 line:5%
When you get to America,
you now open the door.
919
00:58:26.044 --> 00:58:28.797
Jackie was in, like,
I can't remember the number of countries.
920
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.592
Her books were translated
in, like, 30, 40 languages.
921
00:58:32.718 --> 00:58:35.512
[speaking French]
922
00:58:35.595 --> 00:58:38.015
-Jackie Collins.
-[audience applauding]
923
00:58:38.265 --> 00:58:42.436
[Morton] The amazing thing is, she writes
what looks like an American story
924
00:58:43.353 --> 00:58:46.773
and we find interest in Czechoslovakia.
925
00:58:47.149 --> 00:58:50.777
In Israel, in African countries.
926
00:58:50.861 --> 00:58:55.115
-Tell us, what are you doing in Hong Kong?
-I'm doing some careful research here.
927
00:58:55.574 --> 00:58:58.452
Um, I would very much like
to set some scenes in Hong Kong.
928
00:58:58.535 --> 00:59:00.829
[woman speaking French]
929
00:59:00.996 --> 00:59:01.913
[Melody] People loved her.
930
00:59:02.080 --> 00:59:05.333
Any country she showed up in,
they wanted to get her to autograph them
931
00:59:05.417 --> 00:59:07.335
or, "My mother likes your books."
932
00:59:07.419 --> 00:59:09.588
Or, "My daughter loved your books,"
you know.
933
00:59:09.671 --> 00:59:12.799
-[man] Do you believe it? They found her.
-[indistinct chatter]
934
00:59:13.050 --> 00:59:19.973
[speaking French]
935
00:59:21.058 --> 00:59:23.643
…is doing very nicely in France…
936
00:59:23.727 --> 00:59:26.646
[Melody] That's what Jackie
created by coming to America.
937
00:59:27.397 --> 00:59:28.732
An international name.
938
00:59:29.232 --> 00:59:32.235
Here we are in Paris, the Plaza…
939
00:59:32.402 --> 00:59:35.280
Oscar was like, "Yeah, let's do it."
940
00:59:35.447 --> 00:59:37.282
"If that's what you want to do,
let's do it."
941
00:59:37.616 --> 00:59:41.286
Welcome to Paris, Jackie Collins. Hey!
942
00:59:42.454 --> 00:59:44.122
[Laura] He was her rock,
943
00:59:44.956 --> 00:59:48.752
and I think he was very instrumental
in her success,
944
00:59:48.835 --> 00:59:51.379
because of having somebody
like Oscar behind her.
945
00:59:51.505 --> 00:59:53.632
[woman] How was
the necking scene this morning?
946
00:59:53.715 --> 00:59:57.302
I don't need to even comment on that
if you look at this spot here on my dress.
947
00:59:57.928 --> 00:59:59.763 line:5%
-Press the red. Press the red.
-[woman] No.
948
00:59:59.846 --> 01:00:03.391 line:5%
[Jackie] "Suddenly a hand gripped her
by the arm, it was Lenny Golden."
949
01:00:04.976 --> 01:00:07.562
"'You're just the man I'm looking for,'"
she said.
950
01:00:08.355 --> 01:00:10.315
[indistinct chatter]
951
01:00:12.275 --> 01:00:15.862
-[Jackie] What is today, Oscar?
-Today is the happiest day of my life.
952
01:00:16.571 --> 01:00:18.740
Twenty-one years ago, I got married.
953
01:00:19.616 --> 01:00:20.617
[grunts]
954
01:00:24.204 --> 01:00:28.083
[Morton] I used to call Oscar
and I would say, "How are you, Oscar?"
955
01:00:28.375 --> 01:00:32.546
And he would say, "Listen, Mort,
it's 80 degrees, the sun is shining."
956
01:00:32.671 --> 01:00:35.132
"I'm sitting by the pool
in my bathing suit."
957
01:00:35.340 --> 01:00:36.591
"How-- What could be better?"
958
01:00:37.425 --> 01:00:38.552
[Jackie] Hi, Oscar.
959
01:00:38.635 --> 01:00:42.597
[Rory] They were just such a perfect team
together, they just worked really well.
960
01:00:43.306 --> 01:00:47.185
Lots of laughing and love
and confiding in each other.
961
01:00:47.269 --> 01:00:49.980
[Jackie] Okay, I'm going out in New York.
962
01:00:50.188 --> 01:00:52.566
And we're going to buy some art,
come on, let's go.
963
01:00:52.649 --> 01:00:53.859
[Oscar] Then we can have lunch.
964
01:00:53.984 --> 01:00:56.486
Oh, I might have lunch
at the Four Seasons.
965
01:00:58.572 --> 01:00:59.739
[Rory] He was so proud of her.
966
01:00:59.823 --> 01:01:03.869
He was so proud of who she had become
and how she was managing that success.
967
01:01:04.452 --> 01:01:05.954
[indistinct chatter]
968
01:01:06.037 --> 01:01:09.207
[Joan] He was so important in her life.
969
01:01:09.583 --> 01:01:15.380
He was the family man,
he was her mentor, he was her lover.
970
01:01:17.174 --> 01:01:19.509
[Laura] I would come to the house,
meet them at the house and then go
971
01:01:19.593 --> 01:01:21.595
with them with wherever we were going.
972
01:01:22.220 --> 01:01:26.099
And every single time
he would walk to the bottom of the stairs
973
01:01:26.558 --> 01:01:29.728
and she would say, "Okay, I'm ready,"
and she would be at the top of the…
974
01:01:29.853 --> 01:01:32.022
…stairs and he would just look at her
and he'd be like,
975
01:01:32.147 --> 01:01:33.607
"You are so beautiful. Look…"
976
01:01:33.732 --> 01:01:36.526
"…how gorgeous your mother looks,
absolutely gorgeous."
977
01:01:36.818 --> 01:01:38.445
-Every…
-…single time.
978
01:01:38.528 --> 01:01:41.198
Whatever she wore, because he adored her.
979
01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:44.618
-[Oscar talking indistinctly]
-Bye, Oscar.
980
01:01:44.701 --> 01:01:46.620
-[laughing]
-[indistinct chatter]
981
01:01:46.703 --> 01:01:49.039
[Oscar] Doesn't she look just beautiful,
my God.
982
01:01:50.957 --> 01:01:53.585
-[soft music playing]
-[insects chirping]
983
01:01:57.297 --> 01:02:00.675
You know, in any family,
there's always going to be
984
01:02:00.759 --> 01:02:03.345
you know, a little bit of nibbling
and so on and…
985
01:02:03.511 --> 01:02:05.055
[scoffs] …so what?
986
01:02:05.138 --> 01:02:09.559
You know, sibling rivalry,
it spurs you on.
987
01:02:10.936 --> 01:02:17.400
I mean, it's very simple,
you know, Joan was a big Hollywood star,
988
01:02:17.817 --> 01:02:20.153
um, and Jackie was a writer.
989
01:02:20.237 --> 01:02:22.530 line:5%
You're finished,
you've lost everything.
990
01:02:22.614 --> 01:02:24.741 line:5%
And I now own this house.
991
01:02:24.824 --> 01:02:29.329 line:5%
-This house, are you insane?
-Oh, no. I'm perfectly sane.
992
01:02:29.412 --> 01:02:35.126
So take this junk and your blonde tramp
and get out of my home.
993
01:02:35.210 --> 01:02:36.878
-[wind blowing]
-[laughing]
994
01:02:36.962 --> 01:02:40.006
She likes to call herself
a female Harold Robbins
995
01:02:40.090 --> 01:02:41.758
or the Harold Robbins for women.
996
01:02:42.050 --> 01:02:45.262
Some people call her admiringly
the queen of flash and trash
997
01:02:45.345 --> 01:02:48.014
and she joins us this morning, and we're
lucky to have you, Joan Collins, welcome.
998
01:02:48.431 --> 01:02:49.933
-[Jackie] It's Jackie.
-[host] Jackie…
999
01:02:50.016 --> 01:02:51.726
-[laughs] Joan is…
-[host] Joan was here last week.
1000
01:02:51.810 --> 01:02:52.978
Joan was here last week.
1001
01:02:53.103 --> 01:02:57.774
And then Jackie comes into Hollywood
and becomes the queen of Hollywood.
1002
01:02:58.191 --> 01:02:59.818
Can't be easy for Joan either.
1003
01:03:01.069 --> 01:03:03.905
It is often stated that you
and your sister, Joan Collins,
1004
01:03:03.989 --> 01:03:06.241
-the prominent actress from Dynasty…
-Yeah. Right.
1005
01:03:06.741 --> 01:03:07.993
…don't get along and are feuding.
1006
01:03:08.076 --> 01:03:09.619
In fact, we've had it said here
on this program--
1007
01:03:09.703 --> 01:03:12.414
Yeah, I want to talk to you about that.
[laughs]
1008
01:03:12.497 --> 01:03:17.794
-But we're the best of friends.
-I had a couple of relationships,
1009
01:03:18.295 --> 01:03:21.339
a marriage and a long-- And a boyfriend
1010
01:03:21.506 --> 01:03:25.135
that Jackie loathed both of them
and they both loathed her.
1011
01:03:25.635 --> 01:03:27.220
So it was kind of difficult.
1012
01:03:27.762 --> 01:03:28.805
[indistinct chatter]
1013
01:03:28.888 --> 01:03:33.268
We saw each other,
but it was slightly cool.
1014
01:03:35.812 --> 01:03:42.360
And then, when I got offered
two million dollars to write two books,
1015
01:03:43.361 --> 01:03:44.863
you know, you don't turn that down.
1016
01:03:45.196 --> 01:03:47.782
[Larry] Prime Time,
published by Simon and Schuster.
1017
01:03:48.033 --> 01:03:51.077
Why a novel?
I thought your sister owns fiction.
1018
01:03:51.202 --> 01:03:54.748
Well, yes, she did, but I think
there's possibly room for both of us.
1019
01:03:54.831 --> 01:03:56.249
I started writing this…
1020
01:03:56.333 --> 01:03:59.836
She would say, "Oh, my sister,
my God, she's looking for something."
1021
01:03:59.919 --> 01:04:01.963
"She's writing a book now,
for God's sake."
1022
01:04:02.297 --> 01:04:04.257
[Larry] How good
a storyteller do you think she is?
1023
01:04:04.341 --> 01:04:07.385
I've no idea, Larry, I'm going to discover
along with everybody else.
1024
01:04:08.386 --> 01:04:10.764
Are you excited about--
How do you feel about that?
1025
01:04:11.264 --> 01:04:12.265
Oh, fine.
1026
01:04:13.391 --> 01:04:19.272
She said,
"How would Joan like it if I got a job in…
1027
01:04:20.190 --> 01:04:21.983
a television series.
1028
01:04:22.067 --> 01:04:25.236
So I think Jackie felt that writing
was her territory,
1029
01:04:25.362 --> 01:04:29.366
it's where she
became successful and made her name.
1030
01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:34.579
And, um,
she worked tirelessly at being Jackie.
1031
01:04:36.414 --> 01:04:40.960
I don't think she ever said, "Well,
not today, I'm too tired," you know.
1032
01:04:41.044 --> 01:04:44.923
They're so different, the two sisters.
1033
01:04:46.716 --> 01:04:48.927
And don't forget I came
from the fashion world,
1034
01:04:49.427 --> 01:04:51.137
and so I'm accustomed to bitches.
1035
01:04:51.304 --> 01:04:54.224
There's always a certain amount of, um…
1036
01:04:55.892 --> 01:04:58.311
you know, "Maybe you
are stepping on my territory,"
1037
01:04:58.395 --> 01:05:00.063
but it's certainly not intentional.
1038
01:05:00.188 --> 01:05:02.565
Joan got a lot of money from non-books.
1039
01:05:03.483 --> 01:05:06.486
There was a big issue as to whether
she'd written and published her own book,
1040
01:05:06.611 --> 01:05:09.739
which I think Jackie
was very secretly happy about.
1041
01:05:12.283 --> 01:05:15.870
So, you know, sisters are sisters,
I mean, siblings are siblings.
1042
01:05:16.704 --> 01:05:19.457
She didn't like it, but I don't think--
1043
01:05:19.582 --> 01:05:22.001
She never used the word "betrayal"
and I'm not sure that's the right word
1044
01:05:22.085 --> 01:05:24.087
and I can't think
of the right word to use.
1045
01:05:24.963 --> 01:05:28.591
She dealt with it the way
that she knew best, you know.
1046
01:05:30.844 --> 01:05:33.847
[Jackie] "Abigail and Primrose were
as unalike as two sisters could be."
1047
01:05:33.930 --> 01:05:35.640
"They couldn't stand each other."
1048
01:05:35.723 --> 01:05:39.561
"Abigail was pushy and grasping,
she loved entertaining and big parties."
1049
01:05:39.686 --> 01:05:41.312
"A true Hollywood princess."
1050
01:05:43.940 --> 01:05:46.693
"Primrose, the younger
and prettier of the two
1051
01:05:46.943 --> 01:05:49.988
had opted for a different kind of life
where she was able to raise her children
1052
01:05:50.071 --> 01:05:52.532
in what she considered
a more real atmosphere."
1053
01:05:54.284 --> 01:05:55.994
"Who knew that they
were destined to become
1054
01:05:56.077 --> 01:05:58.538
two of the most powerful women
in Hollywood."
1055
01:06:01.332 --> 01:06:04.627
[Tracy] Whatever she felt in private
she just kept to herself.
1056
01:06:06.921 --> 01:06:11.759 line:5%
Everything that she stood
for was magical and wonderful and sparkly.
1057
01:06:13.303 --> 01:06:15.847 line:5%
But real life does go on.
1058
01:06:23.271 --> 01:06:24.981 line:5%
[Jackie] And here we have…
1059
01:06:26.733 --> 01:06:29.027
[TV playing indistinctly]
1060
01:06:31.404 --> 01:06:35.074
[Tiffany] We'd been here
about six or seven years
1061
01:06:35.366 --> 01:06:38.703
when our dad
was diagnosed with prostate cancer.
1062
01:06:40.788 --> 01:06:44.125
I think it just came out of nowhere,
I think everybody was sort of shocked
1063
01:06:44.209 --> 01:06:49.589
and, well, they didn't really tell
anybody that he was sick and, um…
1064
01:06:50.089 --> 01:06:52.550
It was just-- It was very sad,
they weren't expecting it.
1065
01:06:52.634 --> 01:06:56.137
It was in the late '80s,
she was at the height of her fame
1066
01:06:56.596 --> 01:06:59.516
and I think it was hard for all of us.
1067
01:07:01.267 --> 01:07:05.355
[Laura] I think in many ways
she didn't know how to cope with it.
1068
01:07:07.357 --> 01:07:12.195
She just thought if she carried on
with her life, it just wasn't there.
1069
01:07:13.988 --> 01:07:15.865
And they decided to build a new home.
1070
01:07:15.949 --> 01:07:17.283
[Jackie] The new house.
1071
01:07:19.536 --> 01:07:21.579
[Tracy] The whole time
that he was living with cancer,
1072
01:07:21.663 --> 01:07:23.414
he was working on this project.
1073
01:07:23.581 --> 01:07:24.874
-[indistinct chatter]
-[laughing]
1074
01:07:24.958 --> 01:07:27.877
He was very focused
on creating this house.
1075
01:07:27.961 --> 01:07:30.588
He was working with the architects,
he was going to the site.
1076
01:07:33.758 --> 01:07:40.515
[Barbara] He was just so intent on getting
that house finished for Jackie.
1077
01:07:40.598 --> 01:07:42.475
[somber music playing]
1078
01:07:46.271 --> 01:07:48.982
[Tiffany] The thing is, with my dad,
he didn't want to go anywhere,
1079
01:07:49.065 --> 01:07:51.693
so it was really hard
for him because… [sniffing]
1080
01:07:51.776 --> 01:07:54.445
…he didn't want to leave us
and he didn't want to leave her
1081
01:07:54.529 --> 01:07:58.992
and he just didn't want to go anywhere,
so it was just difficult.
1082
01:07:59.117 --> 01:08:00.785
[Oscar] Jackie,
let me take a picture of you.
1083
01:08:00.868 --> 01:08:02.412
[Jackie] No, no, no.
1084
01:08:02.495 --> 01:08:04.163
-Come on, give me the camera.
-[Jackie] No.
1085
01:08:06.291 --> 01:08:09.335
[Tiffany] So they planned out every
element of this home.
1086
01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:13.798
It was quite beautiful,
it was sort of almost museum-like.
1087
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:20.221
That was her fantasy.
1088
01:08:21.306 --> 01:08:24.684
You know, it was like
he had created it for her.
1089
01:08:24.767 --> 01:08:26.102
[indistinct chatter]
1090
01:08:28.146 --> 01:08:30.023
It was literally just ready.
1091
01:08:31.733 --> 01:08:34.277
But, you know, there came
a point where he was actually too weak.
1092
01:08:37.614 --> 01:08:39.866
Dad died before they could move in.
1093
01:08:48.374 --> 01:08:49.584
[birds chirping]
1094
01:08:50.126 --> 01:08:54.714
The phone rang in the morning
and it was Jackie and she said…
1095
01:08:55.256 --> 01:08:58.926
And she was sobbing,
and she said, "Oscar is gone."
1096
01:08:59.594 --> 01:09:01.220
And I started sobbing too.
1097
01:09:06.476 --> 01:09:08.603
[Tracy] She really
didn't deal with it very well.
1098
01:09:12.190 --> 01:09:16.694
She just retreated pretty much
to staying in her study and writing.
1099
01:09:16.778 --> 01:09:18.112
[hums]
1100
01:09:21.407 --> 01:09:24.160
-[clears throat]
-[Laura] Jackie, um…
1101
01:09:25.995 --> 01:09:27.872
sort of pulled up the drawbridge.
1102
01:09:30.375 --> 01:09:33.002
She was not going to shed any tears.
1103
01:09:39.217 --> 01:09:41.010
[somber music playing]
1104
01:09:44.847 --> 01:09:48.476
She couldn't do that,
once the facade would crack,
1105
01:09:49.394 --> 01:09:51.562
you know, it unleashes the floodgates.
1106
01:09:55.358 --> 01:09:58.945
She only continued
to be the Jackie she created.
1107
01:10:01.030 --> 01:10:03.157
Good morning, Nick.
Good morning, Maryanne.
1108
01:10:04.826 --> 01:10:06.452
[somber music playing]
1109
01:10:12.250 --> 01:10:15.837
[Rory] She had learned
how to survive, and for her…
1110
01:10:18.589 --> 01:10:21.426
what was always there for her,
you know, was Jackie Collins.
1111
01:10:21.509 --> 01:10:23.052
[audience applauding]
1112
01:10:25.012 --> 01:10:26.931
How are you coping with Oscar's death?
1113
01:10:27.515 --> 01:10:29.934
Well, you know,
I think that when somebody dies, you--
1114
01:10:30.059 --> 01:10:32.103
You have your grieving time,
1115
01:10:32.186 --> 01:10:34.856
and then you have
to seize your life again.
1116
01:10:34.939 --> 01:10:36.482
[host] How long does
the grieving time last?
1117
01:10:37.066 --> 01:10:40.111
Everybody is different, you know,
some people will take much longer.
1118
01:10:40.361 --> 01:10:41.904
Is it difficult for you to carry on?
1119
01:10:41.988 --> 01:10:44.615
Well, you know,
when somebody is sick for a long time,
1120
01:10:44.699 --> 01:10:48.119
you learn to accept the inevitable.
You know it's going to happen.
1121
01:10:48.995 --> 01:10:52.373
[Melody] Times were changing
and her books were selling,
1122
01:10:52.623 --> 01:10:56.627
not at the rate of Hollywood Wives,
I can't deny that,
1123
01:10:56.794 --> 01:10:59.130
but they still are out there.
1124
01:11:02.383 --> 01:11:04.802
It's just that we changed as a world.
1125
01:11:05.845 --> 01:11:08.639
Because I knew
I was coming on your program today…
1126
01:11:08.723 --> 01:11:10.892
-[Jackie] Yes.
-…I bought a book yesterday
1127
01:11:10.975 --> 01:11:13.603
and I read the first paragraph
1128
01:11:13.811 --> 01:11:17.273
and I felt I am demeaning myself
reading any further.
1129
01:11:17.440 --> 01:11:18.483
What book was it?
1130
01:11:18.566 --> 01:11:20.902
This is called, uh, Lovers and Gamblers.
1131
01:11:21.027 --> 01:11:22.779
Now, is that the only one
of mine you've ever read?
1132
01:11:22.862 --> 01:11:25.156
Well, there is one left in my house once
1133
01:11:25.281 --> 01:11:28.117
and I'm afraid
it was put out for the dust.
1134
01:11:28.201 --> 01:11:30.995
The thing that very much worries me
about your books is the sex
1135
01:11:31.078 --> 01:11:32.747
that your strong women are enjoying,
1136
01:11:32.830 --> 01:11:35.458
which they're enjoying
on a very kind of passive level.
1137
01:11:35.541 --> 01:11:37.710
They're enjoying
being brutalized and dominated,
1138
01:11:37.835 --> 01:11:40.630
-which is very unlike--
-That absolutely, absolutely ridiculous,
1139
01:11:40.713 --> 01:11:44.467
because as a matter of fact in my books
the woman always comes out on top.
1140
01:11:44.592 --> 01:11:47.470
She did try to change with it, she knew.
1141
01:11:47.637 --> 01:11:50.097
-I have read Hollywood Husbands.
-[Jackie] Yes.
1142
01:11:50.181 --> 01:11:53.392
And the beginning,
the first chapter is disgusting.
1143
01:11:53.476 --> 01:11:57.104
I'm not--
Really disgusting, because it's all…
1144
01:11:57.563 --> 01:12:01.108
She was repeating herself a lot,
as you can see even from her titles.
1145
01:12:02.401 --> 01:12:08.491
And I think the public had had as much
of that information as they wanted.
1146
01:12:08.574 --> 01:12:12.620
The problem is that all of these women
that you portray are tough cookies,
1147
01:12:12.703 --> 01:12:14.455
all right, and they do get somewhere.
1148
01:12:14.539 --> 01:12:18.626
My objection is that they're all also
the most beautiful women in the world.
1149
01:12:18.793 --> 01:12:21.254
[woman] Jackie, you're writing
to a formula, and, I mean,
1150
01:12:21.337 --> 01:12:24.590
there must be loads of people turning out
this kind of formulaic stuff,
1151
01:12:24.674 --> 01:12:28.010
trying to get it published.
But I do think that, sorry…
1152
01:12:28.094 --> 01:12:30.805
You know, I do think
that perhaps your name,
1153
01:12:30.888 --> 01:12:34.433
your Hollywood connections etcetera
must have helped you to get published.
1154
01:12:34.559 --> 01:12:36.310
I'm sorry, I think it's utter bilge.
1155
01:12:36.644 --> 01:12:40.523
I mean, this whole idea about having
positive role models for women
1156
01:12:40.606 --> 01:12:42.066
-I think is total crap.
-[Jackie] Yeah.
1157
01:12:42.149 --> 01:12:44.318
-[host] Are you a feminist?
-Yeah, of course I am, yes.
1158
01:12:44.402 --> 01:12:45.945
-[host] She's a feminist?
-Yes, of course I am.
1159
01:12:46.028 --> 01:12:49.949
I wouldn't say
that you're a feminist in any way at all.
1160
01:12:50.032 --> 01:12:51.701
She's making millions of dollars…
1161
01:12:51.784 --> 01:12:54.161
-[woman] But sex sells.
-…through abuse.
1162
01:12:54.370 --> 01:13:00.334
[Tracy] Her particular brand of, you know,
feminism was a bit behind the times.
1163
01:13:02.211 --> 01:13:05.840
[Melody] The '90s were hard,
and it was kind of mean.
1164
01:13:06.716 --> 01:13:09.802
You took her, you wanted her,
now you don't want her.
1165
01:13:11.929 --> 01:13:14.015
So she sat down and she wrote.
1166
01:13:16.767 --> 01:13:21.522
But eventually she became completely
confused and lost.
1167
01:13:22.857 --> 01:13:24.734
And it was like she was Lucky.
1168
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.029
She was always Lucky Santangelo.
1169
01:13:29.071 --> 01:13:31.407
And she went on the rides
1170
01:13:31.490 --> 01:13:35.786
and the characters took her
on these trips that were crazy.
1171
01:13:35.870 --> 01:13:37.788
They were just nuts, some of them.
1172
01:13:37.914 --> 01:13:40.666
But they took her
and that's where she ended up.
1173
01:13:42.501 --> 01:13:44.253
[Jackie] "Lucky was deeply depressed."
1174
01:13:46.255 --> 01:13:49.508
"She took a long drive to the desert
for hours, thinking about it."
1175
01:13:50.801 --> 01:13:52.470
"What was she going to do?"
1176
01:13:53.137 --> 01:13:54.680
[slow music playing]
1177
01:13:59.101 --> 01:14:03.397
And then she started,
quite a lot later, I think,
1178
01:14:03.773 --> 01:14:05.066
going out with Frank.
1179
01:14:06.233 --> 01:14:08.611
-[Jackie] Darling, say something nice.
-I love you, J.
1180
01:14:11.238 --> 01:14:14.116
[Rory] Frank was this kind
of like single guy around town,
1181
01:14:14.200 --> 01:14:16.953
he'd never been married,
always had lots of girlfriends.
1182
01:14:17.870 --> 01:14:21.457
He was one of those guys that was always
smoking cigars and playing cards
1183
01:14:21.540 --> 01:14:25.711
with the boys and taking bets
and he basically did what he liked.
1184
01:14:25.795 --> 01:14:30.299
I knew him through relationships
with James Mason's daughter,
1185
01:14:30.883 --> 01:14:35.554
with Joanna Carson,
many different, uh, "girlfriends".
1186
01:14:36.639 --> 01:14:39.308
He was not exactly a gigolo.
1187
01:14:41.978 --> 01:14:45.022
[Jackie] "With great care,
he pushed her down onto the couch."
1188
01:14:46.482 --> 01:14:49.819
"'Get your clothes off, I mean now.'"
1189
01:14:51.070 --> 01:14:54.407
[interviewer] So what was it about Frank
that Jackie was so attracted to?
1190
01:14:56.242 --> 01:14:57.493
Beats me.
1191
01:14:58.661 --> 01:15:00.746
[Jackie] Darling,
would you wait on me hand and foot?
1192
01:15:00.955 --> 01:15:02.164
Absolutely not.
1193
01:15:02.248 --> 01:15:04.250
[Rory] It was a time
when our lives were really moving on,
1194
01:15:04.333 --> 01:15:05.876
so we were distracted.
1195
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:08.713
And, you known, he was like a character
from one of her books.
1196
01:15:08.796 --> 01:15:12.107
He kind of, you know,
came in and was like a character
1197
01:15:12.188 --> 01:15:13.701
-from one of her books.
-From one of her books
1198
01:15:13.832 --> 01:15:15.052
Literally had sort of stepped out of…
1199
01:15:15.219 --> 01:15:16.095
[all] One of her books.
1200
01:15:16.220 --> 01:15:22.184
[overlapping chatter]
1201
01:15:22.268 --> 01:15:25.771
[Jackie] "There was no getting rid
of him and he pursued her relentlessly."
1202
01:15:26.022 --> 01:15:30.151
"Sterling silver roses every day,
cases of crystal champagne,
1203
01:15:30.234 --> 01:15:31.527
Jars of the best caviar."
1204
01:15:31.610 --> 01:15:33.446 line:5%
-Good morning, Frank
-Good morning, J.
1205
01:15:33.529 --> 01:15:34.488 line:5%
[Jackie] How are you, darling?
1206
01:15:34.572 --> 01:15:36.490 line:5%
-I'm feeling wonderful.
-[Jackie] Good.
1207
01:15:36.574 --> 01:15:38.993 line:5%
It's a beautiful day
in Albany this morning.
1208
01:15:39.994 --> 01:15:43.956
And I just arrived
and everyone is having breakfast.
1209
01:15:44.874 --> 01:15:45.916
And I love you, darling.
1210
01:15:46.042 --> 01:15:47.835
I wanted her to be with somebody else,
1211
01:15:48.127 --> 01:15:50.046
I didn't necessarily want her
to be with Frank.
1212
01:15:50.129 --> 01:15:53.007
You know, he was nice,
he was very charming,
1213
01:15:53.090 --> 01:15:56.510
but I didn't like him.
1214
01:15:56.969 --> 01:16:02.933
And he was the first man that I'd seen her
be with or involved with who I felt…
1215
01:16:04.518 --> 01:16:08.064
you know, didn't feel wholly comfortable
with her success.
1216
01:16:08.147 --> 01:16:09.398
[indistinct chatter]
1217
01:16:18.157 --> 01:16:21.243
[sighs] You want me
to answer what was Frank like.
1218
01:16:22.203 --> 01:16:24.580
-Isn't that what you want?
-[interviewer] Yes.
1219
01:16:24.914 --> 01:16:27.166
-[birds singing]
-[wind blowing]
1220
01:16:31.128 --> 01:16:36.342
Well, he was a gambler, a drugger,
an alcoholic, and an abuser.
1221
01:16:37.927 --> 01:16:40.054
That pretty much tells you.
1222
01:16:40.137 --> 01:16:41.430
[Jackie] All right, darlings.
1223
01:16:41.514 --> 01:16:45.101
Here we are at the wonderful,
beautiful Colombe d'Or
1224
01:16:45.601 --> 01:16:49.021
-and we're having a wonderful time.
-[Jackie] Okay, Frank, cut to the chase.
1225
01:16:49.105 --> 01:16:51.065
-[all laughing]
-What else do you want me to say?
1226
01:16:51.148 --> 01:16:53.567
-Come on. Slowly, slowly.
-[Jackie] Oh, slowly. I'm sorry.
1227
01:16:53.734 --> 01:16:58.072
If Frank felt slighted in any way,
he would just…
1228
01:16:59.365 --> 01:17:00.491
go berserk.
1229
01:17:00.574 --> 01:17:02.159
[music playing over stereo]
1230
01:17:02.368 --> 01:17:04.662
This out of control rage.
1231
01:17:05.329 --> 01:17:07.832
And with it all,
he could be quite charming.
1232
01:17:08.582 --> 01:17:10.626
That's always the trap, isn't it?
1233
01:17:13.045 --> 01:17:17.174
There was a tremendous amount
of shouting and he did become,
1234
01:17:17.383 --> 01:17:19.426
um, extremely controlling.
1235
01:17:20.094 --> 01:17:21.303
Jackelina.
1236
01:17:21.846 --> 01:17:25.683
[Joan] He would lash out
at her in a furious temper.
1237
01:17:26.225 --> 01:17:31.689
And she put up with it because,
I think, maybe she felt guilty?
1238
01:17:31.772 --> 01:17:34.984
Why does one put up with anything,
you know, women put up with a lot.
1239
01:17:35.526 --> 01:17:36.652
[Jackie] Okay.
1240
01:17:37.361 --> 01:17:39.488
[humming] Tell me if I walk into the sea.
1241
01:17:39.572 --> 01:17:42.116
Jackie, you're about ready
to walk into the ocean.
1242
01:17:43.242 --> 01:17:44.743
[Jackie] Did we have a nice dinner?
1243
01:17:46.996 --> 01:17:53.419
That this woman who wrote about power
and strength and strong women
1244
01:17:53.669 --> 01:17:55.754
could get involved with this man,
1245
01:17:56.380 --> 01:18:01.218
it's very difficult for people
who love Jackie to watch this.
1246
01:18:01.302 --> 01:18:03.470
-[indistinct chatter]
-[Frank] Okay, we're recording.
1247
01:18:03.554 --> 01:18:07.808
-[Tita] I mean, I just don't get it.
-[Frank] Jackie, all right, say something.
1248
01:18:08.142 --> 01:18:11.937
This is Kir Royale, we're in the south
of France, we are at the…
1249
01:18:12.021 --> 01:18:14.607
-We have made pests of ourselves already.
-[Frank laughing]
1250
01:18:14.690 --> 01:18:17.985
-We've made pests of ourselves already.
-Here, here!
1251
01:18:19.862 --> 01:18:22.615
[Tracy] You can be as strong as you like,
you can have this amazing career,
1252
01:18:22.698 --> 01:18:25.868
you can have earned as much money
as you could ever have wanted
1253
01:18:25.951 --> 01:18:28.078
and have a great family
and everything going for you.
1254
01:18:28.162 --> 01:18:30.331
[Frank laughing]
Roger, you’re terrific.
1255
01:18:30.497 --> 01:18:33.542
But, you know you can be 60 or 70,
and still fall for somebody,
1256
01:18:33.626 --> 01:18:38.130
because somehow you think
you're going to maybe replicate something
1257
01:18:38.214 --> 01:18:41.800
that happened in your early years
and get a different outcome.
1258
01:18:41.884 --> 01:18:43.594
[somber music playing]
1259
01:18:52.561 --> 01:18:54.521
[Tiffany] It got bad when he got sick.
1260
01:18:55.731 --> 01:18:59.151
That's when the tides turned
that he was mad at-- It was everybody.
1261
01:18:59.235 --> 01:19:01.987
And so I know
that was a particularly tough time.
1262
01:19:03.197 --> 01:19:05.157
[narrator]
"He was furious and despairing."
1263
01:19:05.991 --> 01:19:09.036
"He grabbed my arm and pulled me roughly
out of the doctor’s office."
1264
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:11.872
"'Frank, what's happened?'"
1265
01:19:12.665 --> 01:19:15.542
"'Lung cancer, inoperable.'"
1266
01:19:15.626 --> 01:19:17.127
[dramatic music playing]
1267
01:19:17.211 --> 01:19:22.174
[Tita] He was furious that she
was writing books while he was ill.
1268
01:19:23.300 --> 01:19:26.595
She would write in her dressing room
in the middle of the night.
1269
01:19:26.679 --> 01:19:29.098
She would get up
when Frank was asleep
1270
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.434
and she would write
when he didn't know about it.
1271
01:19:32.518 --> 01:19:34.061
[distant siren wailing]
1272
01:19:36.605 --> 01:19:39.817
We asked Jackie,
"Were there guns in the house?"
1273
01:19:40.776 --> 01:19:43.821
And Jackie said, "Yes,
there had been, but they'd been moved."
1274
01:19:44.071 --> 01:19:46.365
Well, that's not comforting.
1275
01:19:47.866 --> 01:19:49.910
[interviewer] And why
were you worried about guns?
1276
01:19:49.994 --> 01:19:52.079
[Tita] Well, obviously why.
1277
01:19:52.371 --> 01:19:56.208
I mean, why are you afraid
of guns being around?
1278
01:19:56.292 --> 01:19:58.168
You're afraid someone might use them.
1279
01:20:00.212 --> 01:20:04.008
I mean, afraid he'd say, "Well,
if I'm going, you're going with me."
1280
01:20:04.091 --> 01:20:06.135
She lives
in her fantasy house in Beverly Hills
1281
01:20:06.218 --> 01:20:09.346
and has sold more
than 200 million books worldwide.
1282
01:20:09.430 --> 01:20:11.598
But Jackie Collins told our Mark Steines,
1283
01:20:11.682 --> 01:20:15.394
that the success means nothing
when compared to the love she lost.
1284
01:20:15.602 --> 01:20:17.438
[tense music playing]
1285
01:20:26.613 --> 01:20:28.032
[drum beating]
1286
01:20:32.453 --> 01:20:34.413
[Jackie] "The funeral was a grand affair."
1287
01:20:34.538 --> 01:20:36.040
[instrumental music playing]
1288
01:20:39.168 --> 01:20:43.380
"He was buried in a solid bronze casket
that cost over 20,000 dollars."
1289
01:20:46.633 --> 01:20:50.596
"Lucky opened her eyes,
it was no good dwelling on the past."
1290
01:20:50.679 --> 01:20:53.349
-[somber music playing]
-"She felt remarkably calm."
1291
01:20:56.393 --> 01:21:02.274
"She smiled wanly and she winked.
A true, ballsy, Lucky Santangelo wink."
1292
01:21:06.070 --> 01:21:09.531
[Jennifer] I worked
with Jackie starting in 2008.
1293
01:21:10.366 --> 01:21:12.159
She had made it very clear to me
1294
01:21:12.242 --> 01:21:14.912
that she never wanted
to get married again.
1295
01:21:15.412 --> 01:21:19.917
She didn't want to pick socks off
of her bedroom floor anymore for anyone.
1296
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.753
Or do laundry, or cook. She was done.
1297
01:21:23.045 --> 01:21:24.755
She was fine if someone
who wanted to come over
1298
01:21:24.838 --> 01:21:28.801
and spend the night and then leave.
And that's really where she was at.
1299
01:21:28.884 --> 01:21:30.928
-[indistinct chatter]
-[camera shutters clicking]
1300
01:21:31.053 --> 01:21:32.429
[Jackie] "How does it feel to be back?"
1301
01:21:33.222 --> 01:21:34.473
"Pretty damn good."
1302
01:21:35.682 --> 01:21:39.269
"I have a story to tell you.
I want you to sit down and hear me out."
1303
01:21:43.690 --> 01:21:44.858
She was the boss.
1304
01:21:49.488 --> 01:21:52.199
[Tiffany] She immersed herself
in her work as ever.
1305
01:21:53.534 --> 01:21:57.746
But at that point, she'd been
experiencing this foot pain
1306
01:21:57.830 --> 01:22:01.708
and was having a lot of trouble walking,
like she could not walk.
1307
01:22:02.042 --> 01:22:03.585
And I kept on saying to her,
1308
01:22:03.752 --> 01:22:06.422
"We've got to get you to the doctor,
can we please go to the doctor?"
1309
01:22:06.505 --> 01:22:08.882
She said, "Yes,
I'll go next week, I'll go next week."
1310
01:22:09.049 --> 01:22:11.051
Tiff started saying,
"I've got to try and," you know,
1311
01:22:11.135 --> 01:22:12.428
"we've got to do something about this."
1312
01:22:12.511 --> 01:22:14.027
"We've got to try
and get her to a doctor."
1313
01:22:14.118 --> 01:22:15.722
And she eventually agreed.
1314
01:22:16.181 --> 01:22:19.643
And my mother is sitting next to me,
and I will never forget this,
1315
01:22:19.726 --> 01:22:23.063
I mean, she looked like
a teenager that had been caught.
1316
01:22:23.147 --> 01:22:27.317
She was like, "Tiffany,
you're going to be so mad at me,"
1317
01:22:27.401 --> 01:22:29.987
and I looked at her and I said,
"What? What?"
1318
01:22:30.070 --> 01:22:32.948
And she goes, "I've got a lump."
1319
01:22:33.407 --> 01:22:37.244
I said, "Where?"
And she goes, "In my breast."
1320
01:22:37.661 --> 01:22:42.416
And I just remember,
like, my whole world, like, crashing.
1321
01:22:43.250 --> 01:22:44.960
So she'd had a lump and we don't know.
1322
01:22:45.043 --> 01:22:48.338
She says two years and I don't know
if it was longer than that or not,
1323
01:22:48.422 --> 01:22:51.967
but she just hadn't, you know, she just…
1324
01:22:52.468 --> 01:22:55.596
She thought
that she could defy it somehow or another,
1325
01:22:55.679 --> 01:22:57.389
and until it caught up with her.
1326
01:22:57.848 --> 01:23:01.852
So it was, you know, it was just…
1327
01:23:04.480 --> 01:23:05.856
[interviewer] Pretty shocking.
1328
01:23:07.024 --> 01:23:08.066
Yeah.
1329
01:23:11.361 --> 01:23:12.613
[somber music playing]
1330
01:23:14.740 --> 01:23:17.075
[Tiffany] She said
she was very sorry that,
1331
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:18.869
you know,
that she hadn't said anything
1332
01:23:18.952 --> 01:23:24.500
-and she asked us not to tell anybody.
-[indistinct chatter]
1333
01:23:24.583 --> 01:23:26.877
It felt like my father all over again.
1334
01:23:27.377 --> 01:23:29.588
They didn't really tell
anybody that he was sick.
1335
01:23:31.465 --> 01:23:36.136
[Joan] Daddy said, "You're not to mention
that she has got cancer."
1336
01:23:36.220 --> 01:23:38.263
"We don't use that word."
1337
01:23:44.686 --> 01:23:47.689
[Tracy] Because of her past experiences…
1338
01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:52.069
there was that bit
of her that transcended
1339
01:23:53.654 --> 01:23:56.198
what she may have been concerned about.
1340
01:23:57.407 --> 01:23:59.701
You know,
things had been so tough before this.
1341
01:24:01.453 --> 01:24:03.997
And I think her,
sort of, traumatic experiences
1342
01:24:04.081 --> 01:24:05.999
kept coming back in to play.
1343
01:24:06.500 --> 01:24:07.376
I love you.
1344
01:24:15.217 --> 01:24:17.594
[Tracy] She sort of couldn't write it out,
so she could just say,
1345
01:24:17.678 --> 01:24:21.181
"Right, I'm going to be fabulous,
I'm going to live my life."
1346
01:24:21.265 --> 01:24:24.059
"I don't really want to know
if there's anything wrong with me."
1347
01:24:33.902 --> 01:24:38.949
So, yes, she was vulnerable, um…
1348
01:24:41.493 --> 01:24:47.124
but very much like
her spirit animal of being a cat…
1349
01:24:48.458 --> 01:24:51.336
she clawed her way out of that.
1350
01:24:53.422 --> 01:24:54.673
[upbeat music playing]
1351
01:24:55.382 --> 01:24:58.844
Please welcome the author Jackie Collins.
1352
01:24:58.927 --> 01:25:01.013
[audience applauding, cheering]
1353
01:25:02.848 --> 01:25:03.849
[gasping]
1354
01:25:05.392 --> 01:25:09.146
[Tita] She never stopped smiling,
she never stopped working.
1355
01:25:10.063 --> 01:25:13.650
And I'm so pleased.
Tripped my way onto the set.
1356
01:25:13.734 --> 01:25:14.985
Always like to make an entrance.
1357
01:25:15.110 --> 01:25:18.363
It's interesting the choice really
when I look back,
1358
01:25:18.530 --> 01:25:21.950
because then she started
writing Goddess of Vengeance…
1359
01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.873
-which is a Lucky Santangelo book.
-[upbeat music playing]
1360
01:25:28.582 --> 01:25:30.876
[narrator] "Sitting at the table
was Lucky Santangelo,
1361
01:25:31.335 --> 01:25:34.463
a dark-haired beauty
and business woman supreme
1362
01:25:34.546 --> 01:25:37.299
who'd experienced her own share
of controversial headlines
1363
01:25:37.424 --> 01:25:39.134
and scandals over the years."
1364
01:25:40.344 --> 01:25:44.806
"'Come on, Lucky,' Ina said,
'Look at everything you've accomplished.'
1365
01:25:45.098 --> 01:25:47.768
'Admit it, you're a goddamn superwoman.'"
1366
01:25:49.686 --> 01:25:50.687
"'No.'"
1367
01:25:51.855 --> 01:25:55.067
"'I'm a woman who took chances
every step of the way.'"
1368
01:25:56.735 --> 01:25:59.154
"'I had to fight for my independence.'"
1369
01:26:01.114 --> 01:26:04.076
"'Believe me, it wasn't easy.'"
1370
01:26:07.913 --> 01:26:13.752
She said,
"I can't just sit here and wait to die."
1371
01:26:15.379 --> 01:26:17.756
She said, "I need to go to London."
1372
01:26:18.924 --> 01:26:20.592
I said, "Okay, we're going."
1373
01:26:23.512 --> 01:26:25.472
She knew it would be her last trip,
1374
01:26:25.764 --> 01:26:28.475
and I think she wanted
to see London one last time.
1375
01:26:31.603 --> 01:26:34.398
[narrator] "Lucky smiled a slow,
dangerous smile."
1376
01:26:35.774 --> 01:26:37.317
"Let the show begin."
1377
01:26:39.653 --> 01:26:42.781
"This could turn out
to be quite interesting."
1378
01:26:42.864 --> 01:26:44.074
[dramatic music playing]
1379
01:26:45.367 --> 01:26:50.872
[Tracy] She was told, you know,
she had two or three weeks left.
1380
01:26:54.251 --> 01:26:56.461
She really needed to come home,
1381
01:26:56.545 --> 01:26:58.547
you know,
she needed to come back to London
1382
01:26:58.630 --> 01:27:01.717
and she needed
to say goodbye to everybody.
1383
01:27:04.386 --> 01:27:08.557
[Joan] We had a, uh, lunch at the hotel,
1384
01:27:09.266 --> 01:27:11.476
and she was there with Laura Lizer.
1385
01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:18.567
And then she said,
"Now, I have to tell you something."
1386
01:27:19.568 --> 01:27:23.447
Um… "I have stage four breast cancer."
1387
01:27:24.322 --> 01:27:27.159
And I said, "That's not possible."
1388
01:27:32.247 --> 01:27:33.331
[Laura] You know, Joan was like,
1389
01:27:33.415 --> 01:27:36.668
"Okay, well, you're okay though,
right, you're okay?"
1390
01:27:36.752 --> 01:27:38.712
And Jackie said, "Yes, I'm okay."
1391
01:27:39.838 --> 01:27:44.760
And when she went into the bathroom
to get something, I said to Laura,
1392
01:27:44.843 --> 01:27:45.927
"Is she okay?"
1393
01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:48.805
And she said,
"Yes, she's fine, she's fine."
1394
01:27:49.389 --> 01:27:51.141
I said, "She doesn't seem fine,
1395
01:27:51.224 --> 01:27:53.477
she seems a little fragile,
a little shaky."
1396
01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:54.770
She said, "She's going to be fine."
1397
01:27:54.936 --> 01:27:56.354
She was hanging on,
1398
01:27:56.563 --> 01:28:00.734
hanging on to every little bit
of strength that she could hang on to
1399
01:28:01.318 --> 01:28:03.779
to live that week in London.
1400
01:28:04.863 --> 01:28:06.990
[indistinct chatter]
1401
01:28:10.952 --> 01:28:12.537
For the first TV show,
1402
01:28:13.455 --> 01:28:17.876
we asked them ahead of time
if they could start with her seated
1403
01:28:18.877 --> 01:28:22.005
and not walk on and sit down.
1404
01:28:24.925 --> 01:28:26.551
[man] And just off
the plane from Hollywood…
1405
01:28:26.635 --> 01:28:28.970
-[woman] It's novelist, Jackie Collins!
-[man] Yeah!
1406
01:28:29.054 --> 01:28:30.847
[audience applauding, cheering]
1407
01:28:32.557 --> 01:28:33.433
Yeah.
1408
01:28:33.558 --> 01:28:36.061
-[man] Lovely to see you again, Jackie.
-[woman] Lovely to have you here.
1409
01:28:36.144 --> 01:28:38.980
Well, it's great to be back,
I love this show, so much fun.
1410
01:28:39.272 --> 01:28:42.692
A few people said, "Jackie looks
a bit weird or a bit thin or a bit odd,"
1411
01:28:42.776 --> 01:28:47.113
but, you know, like, not that well,
but, I mean, she's still, you know…
1412
01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:53.954
whole outfit on, you know,
takes an iron will to get up there
1413
01:28:54.037 --> 01:28:55.914
and do that when you feel as bad as that.
1414
01:28:56.248 --> 01:28:58.875
And Lucky is a really,
you know, kick-ass woman.
1415
01:28:58.959 --> 01:29:02.546
I mean, she's strong,
she's got everything she ever wanted
1416
01:29:02.629 --> 01:29:03.839
and she does it her way.
1417
01:29:04.381 --> 01:29:07.217
And I think we need more books
with women who do it their way,
1418
01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:11.721
who are strong and sexy
and can really control everything,
1419
01:29:11.805 --> 01:29:13.598
-you know, and she does.
-[indistinct chatter]
1420
01:29:13.682 --> 01:29:14.850
[somber music playing]
1421
01:29:21.731 --> 01:29:26.736
In her mind, that was taking
Jackie Collins out for the last time.
1422
01:29:26.820 --> 01:29:28.655
[laughing]
1423
01:29:28.738 --> 01:29:31.241
-[woman 1] That's why I love your books.
-[woman 2] The thing is, I know.
1424
01:29:31.366 --> 01:29:33.410
[woman 3] Talking about the book,
see, I know that you're very good
1425
01:29:33.493 --> 01:29:35.537
-in your research, very meticulous.
-[Jackie] Yes.
1426
01:29:35.620 --> 01:29:38.248
So I need to know, did you check out
all those sexual positions
1427
01:29:38.331 --> 01:29:40.250
-before you wrote the books?
-Absolutely, every one,
1428
01:29:40.333 --> 01:29:42.335
-that's why I'm exhausted.
-[women laughing]
1429
01:29:43.253 --> 01:29:44.504
[somber music playing]
1430
01:29:49.342 --> 01:29:52.846
You know, Jackie, she lived for her work
and she was still working.
1431
01:29:52.929 --> 01:29:56.224
She was doing talk shows
and she was doing what she loved doing.
1432
01:29:56.433 --> 01:29:59.227
So she did what she loved
doing right up to
1433
01:29:59.311 --> 01:30:01.187
the last moment that she possibly could.
1434
01:30:01.271 --> 01:30:05.150
I wrote a book called Rockstar,
and this rockstar told me the real story…
1435
01:30:05.233 --> 01:30:06.818
"This is how I want to be remembered."
1436
01:30:08.987 --> 01:30:11.656
She knew she was going
to pass shortly after that.
1437
01:30:11.740 --> 01:30:14.492
Yeah. And I try to write erotic sex
and humorous sex.
1438
01:30:14.576 --> 01:30:16.328
-[woman] Exactly.
-And great sex.
1439
01:30:16.453 --> 01:30:19.164
I mean, Lucky in the new book,
she has tantric sex.
1440
01:30:19.247 --> 01:30:21.708
[Laura] So all the last pictures of her…
1441
01:30:21.875 --> 01:30:22.959
[heartbeat]
1442
01:30:23.084 --> 01:30:26.546
…her working and promoting a book.
1443
01:30:29.466 --> 01:30:30.926
[romantic music playing]
1444
01:30:32.469 --> 01:30:33.845
Goodbye, stranger.
1445
01:30:35.055 --> 01:30:36.389
Maybe in another life.
1446
01:30:37.390 --> 01:30:40.602
[Tracy] "No goodbyes, no goodbyes,
I'm seeing you all at Christmas."
1447
01:30:41.603 --> 01:30:44.439
[Bill] And off she went
to America with Laura.
1448
01:30:50.111 --> 01:30:52.238
[Barbara] I never knew she was sick.
1449
01:30:54.282 --> 01:30:57.202
And you know what,
I think that was strong…
1450
01:30:58.870 --> 01:31:03.667
and she showed strength
in women and within her.
1451
01:31:03.792 --> 01:31:08.463
It's amazing how much her mind,
that how she could control things
1452
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:13.259
and how she was so strong mentally
to deal with it the way
1453
01:31:13.343 --> 01:31:16.262
that, you know, she dealt with it, sorry.
[crying]
1454
01:31:18.890 --> 01:31:21.184
It was pretty spectacular,
because she just--
1455
01:31:21.267 --> 01:31:23.895
She got to do everything she wanted to do
1456
01:31:24.145 --> 01:31:28.608
and it was like she knew what was going
to happen when she got home.
1457
01:31:28.733 --> 01:31:31.903
It was like she wrote her ending,
that's what it felt like.
1458
01:31:31.987 --> 01:31:33.321
It was like she wrote her ending.
1459
01:31:35.281 --> 01:31:37.492
[somber music playing]
1460
01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:44.874
[Joan] I was in the south of France then…
1461
01:31:46.042 --> 01:31:48.420
and my cellphone beeped
1462
01:31:49.421 --> 01:31:51.381
and I turned it on.
1463
01:31:52.215 --> 01:31:54.968
And they said, "She's passed."
1464
01:31:57.095 --> 01:31:59.305
I cried everyday for three months.
1465
01:32:00.890 --> 01:32:03.810
I missed her,
I have pictures of her still all over.
1466
01:32:06.813 --> 01:32:09.149
We were so
on the same wavelength with, like,
1467
01:32:09.482 --> 01:32:12.652
things that happened,
with seeing movies or with gossip.
1468
01:32:15.196 --> 01:32:16.948
My sister was amazing.
1469
01:32:18.533 --> 01:32:20.994
She had an incredible life.
1470
01:32:23.079 --> 01:32:27.375
And of course, you know,
it was pretty shattering when she died,
1471
01:32:27.459 --> 01:32:33.465
because she was the rock
that kept our family together.
1472
01:32:33.548 --> 01:32:35.508
[somber music continues]
1473
01:32:35.884 --> 01:32:37.010
[sniffs]
1474
01:32:42.515 --> 01:32:46.144
[Melody] I think being Jackie Collins,
you know, that energetic,
1475
01:32:46.478 --> 01:32:53.193
brilliant persona that everybody saw
is who she loved to be.
1476
01:32:54.152 --> 01:32:56.529
[Tiffany] That became entirely
who she was,
1477
01:32:56.905 --> 01:33:00.033
it wasn't like she was lost in that
or that she was hiding a part of herself,
1478
01:33:00.116 --> 01:33:02.077
but just that is who she was.
1479
01:33:04.496 --> 01:33:08.291
She was Jackie Collins,
and then she was gone.
1480
01:33:10.126 --> 01:33:11.753
[insects chirping]
1481
01:33:13.671 --> 01:33:15.340
[Jackie] "Lucky knew
it was time to leave."
1482
01:33:17.926 --> 01:33:19.803
"She brushed her long jet hair,
1483
01:33:19.928 --> 01:33:22.639
pinning it back on each side
with ebony combs."
1484
01:33:23.556 --> 01:33:28.770
"She had power, she had control,
she had everything she'd always wanted."
1485
01:33:30.146 --> 01:33:32.482
"She drove down
the winding narrow road fast,
1486
01:33:32.565 --> 01:33:34.234
humming softly to herself."
1487
01:33:37.570 --> 01:33:39.697
"Tonight she would be like a queen."
1488
01:33:51.334 --> 01:33:52.710
["Le Fleurs" playing]
1489
01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:02.137
If you only did a documentary
1490
01:34:02.262 --> 01:34:06.224
showing her what she was
showing to everybody, who cares?
1491
01:34:06.558 --> 01:34:07.767
Frankly, who cares?
1492
01:34:08.143 --> 01:34:12.689
The only upside of being old
is that you don't give a damn.
1493
01:34:12.772 --> 01:34:14.649
-[woman laughing]
-It happened, it's my life.
1494
01:34:15.733 --> 01:34:18.945
[Morton] The great storyteller
is rarer than the great writer.
1495
01:34:19.571 --> 01:34:21.698
And Jackie was a great storyteller.
1496
01:34:22.907 --> 01:34:24.909
[Tracy] I think
we're back full circle now with,
1497
01:34:24.993 --> 01:34:27.912
you know, women saying actually
to be women we can be whatever we want.
1498
01:34:27.996 --> 01:34:30.039
We can be really openly sexual if we want.
1499
01:34:30.123 --> 01:34:34.502
She broke ground for all us women.
She really did.
1500
01:34:34.711 --> 01:34:37.755
What would Lucky Santangelo do,
what would Jackie Collins do?
1501
01:34:38.047 --> 01:34:39.883
Channel your Jackie Collins energy.
1502
01:34:41.342 --> 01:34:43.887
What I learned
from her is that I can do anything.
1503
01:34:44.345 --> 01:34:47.891
And I can speak my mind.
And I don't have to hide behind somebody.
1504
01:34:48.641 --> 01:34:55.315
She loved success in women.
She was very iconic in that way.
1505
01:34:55.398 --> 01:34:56.900
[Barbara] Can I tell you something?
1506
01:34:58.359 --> 01:35:00.320
She happened to have been brilliant.
1507
01:35:00.862 --> 01:35:04.407
♪ Ring all the bells sing
And tell the people everywhere ♪
1508
01:35:04.490 --> 01:35:06.910
♪ That the flower has come ♪
1509
01:35:07.160 --> 01:35:10.622
♪ Light up the sky with your prayers
Of gladness and rejoice ♪
1510
01:35:10.705 --> 01:35:12.665
♪ For the darkness is gone ♪
1511
01:35:13.333 --> 01:35:16.920
♪ Throw off your fears
Let your heart beat freely at the sign ♪
1512
01:35:17.003 --> 01:35:19.797
♪ That a new time is born ♪
1513
01:35:33.102 --> 01:35:38.942
♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪
1514
01:35:39.025 --> 01:35:43.196
♪ Say money ain't na, na, oh na ♪
1515
01:35:45.448 --> 01:35:51.829
♪ Looking for vayda tay breeze ♪
1516
01:35:51.955 --> 01:35:56.042
♪ May mosaydee kaylie lowya roses ♪
1517
01:35:58.127 --> 01:36:04.175
♪ For all of these simple things
And much more, a flower was born ♪
1518
01:36:04.592 --> 01:36:10.431
♪ It blooms to spread love and joy
Faith and hope to people forlorn ♪
1519
01:36:10.515 --> 01:36:17.272
♪ Inside every man lives
The seed of a flower ♪
1520
01:36:17.772 --> 01:36:23.444
♪ If he looks within
He finds beauty and power ♪
1521
01:36:35.832 --> 01:36:40.461
[vocalizing]