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[dramatic music]

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-[Janis]  Do you think this is navy? -[woman]  No.

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[man]  I would say it is, actually, yeah.

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[Janis]  Jesus, really?

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-[woman chuckles] -Yeah.

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No, honest to God, I think it's black.

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Never would I have said navy.

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I think Lucy recognized that there were chimps

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and that chimps were a different category,

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but I don't think she put herself in that other category.

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I think she saw herself as a human.

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I was 25 when I first met Lucy.

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I was a graduate student at the University of Oklahoma.

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[crowd cheering]

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Norman was a really nice little university town.

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-[crowd cheering] -[gentle orchestral music]

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I was really happy there,

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working in the primate studies group

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that had many chimps,

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and we used those chimps in our research.

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[narrator]  This animal study complex

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is where chimpanzees are being taught to communicate

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with the same sign language used by deaf persons.

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-[audience reacting] -[Johnny Carson] Aww.

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[audience laughing]

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Oh, excuse me, I don't mean to laugh at your face,

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it's a very sweet face.

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[Janis]  I was just looking for some part-time work

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to help put myself through school.

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I thought it was appropriate

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that it would have something to do with chimps.

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She had a little bit of a reputation of being aggressive.

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I had already heard the story

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about her jumping through a glass window

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at the previous person who had had the job

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that I was going to apply for.

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[Janis sighs]

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Before we can go any further,

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there are a few rules about this job

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that we have to make clear.

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We know that you would have had--

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[Janis]  Jane and Maury both made it crystal clear to me

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that this job was not to get to know Lucy,

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that if I thought it was something like that,

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I was in the wrong place.

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You would be here to clean Lucy's cage and to feed her.

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That is all.

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We cannot allow any physical contact with Lucy

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such as leaning against her cage

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or putting fingers through the wires

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because she is dangerous.

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[cage clatters]

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There wasn't any niceties in her greeting with me.

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-[cage clatters] -[Lucy chattering]

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I would say she was formidable.

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-Our little girl... -[Lucy chattering aggressively]

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will be fine.

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[Lucy chattering aggressively]

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[Janis]  If she'd had physical contact with me,

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she definitely would have put me in my place.

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She would have mashed me down there.

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[Maurice]  Well, she was born at a roadside zoo in Florida

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where the main attractions were chimps

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they trained to box with humans.

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Jane went down to collect her

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when she was only two days old.

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The mother was fed some Coca Cola,

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spiked with a strong tranquilizer

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and when she'd fallen into a deep sleep,

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the baby was taken from her arms and handed to Jane...

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who named her Lucy.

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They flew home on a commercial airline

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and covered by a blanket,

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Lucy slept the whole way on Jane's shoulder.

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And once Lucy got home, our scientific adventure began.

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Being so young, she couldn't have learned

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any animal behavior from her real mom.

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We wondered how chimp would she turn out to be...

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...or how human.

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Would she be well-behaved or rebellious?

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Clever or stupid?

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What human emotions would she have?

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Would she, perhaps, be able to tell us that she loves us?

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[Janis]  I very rarely had contact with the Temerlins.

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95% of my time, when I was there, no one was there.

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There was always a note left for me on the table.

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Oh, clean this, do that, Lucy's gonna have this for lunch.

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It was just a normal list that probably a maid would have

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or somebody that was taking care of your kids for you.

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Lucy had been part of the sign language project

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and she had 120 words in her vocabulary.

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-[cage rattling] -[Lucy chattering]

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She did try communicating with me...

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...but my sign language was not up to the point

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where I could understand.

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I mean, I had some isolated words.

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You scared?

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Blanket. Hungry.

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Apple. Food.

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Oh. [sighs]

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But I couldn't really put them together.

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Um...

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Lucy was pretty well-known

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in the sign language world.

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She was a very precise signer.

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She was a little bit of a perfectionist.

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Okay, slow.

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So when I asked her to repeat it...

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...you know, she'd kinda like roll her eyes

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like I was really dumb.

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She was very arrogant.

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Just very, um, condescending.

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And then I called my major professor.

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[professor]  So she's saying Lucy is cold.

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Lucy wants a hot cup of tea.

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[Janis] Oh.

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[gentle orchestral music]

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[Maurice]  Raising Lucy,

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we've given her every human comfort possible.

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After eight hours' sleep

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on a king-sized Beautyrest mattress,

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she'll have breakfast of coffee, oatmeal with raisins

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and a glass of orange Tang.

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[Jane laughs]

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Sometimes we'll drive around town, going to Dairy Queen

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and one time, we went to a drive-in movie

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that was playing Planet of the Apes.

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Lucy paid no attention whatsoever.

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In the evenings,

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she'll sit around studying herself

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with her favorite mirror...

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...and occasionally fix a gin and tonic,

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squeezing the lime with her teeth.

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Although raised human,

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Lucy still shows some natural behavior.

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She grooms us...

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...the way chimps in Africa do.

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Her way of saying that we're special.

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It's as important that we groom her back...

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...solidifying the bonds between all of us.

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It wasn't long before Lucy

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was no longer our experimental subject...

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...but our daughter...

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...and we were all a family.

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[Janis]  On the day-to-day basis that I saw her,

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I just accepted everything was on Lucy's terms

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and I never knew what was gonna happen.

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[Lucy chattering]

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Very gradually, she started making movements...

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...as if she wanted to groom me.

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I knew this was a no-no.

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Maury and Jane had said, "Do not lean against there,

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she will grab you."

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Many people who study chimps

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have lost joints of their fingers.

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[Lucy chattering]

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I remember thinking,

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"Do I trust my own judgment right now,

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or do I do what they say?"

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I must have just decided I was gonna go with it.

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Then when she asked me to groom her,

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it was a very special moment for me...

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...and had nothing to do with theories of psychology

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or learning or anything.

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It was our moment.

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Sure, I was cleaning up shit in the cage,

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but I also was getting to know Lucy.

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[Lucy chattering]

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It was exciting me just the little bit that I got.

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I cherished it for what it was as long as I could

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because I assumed, once Jane and Maury knew about it,

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I would be fired.

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[crickets chirping]

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[static buzzing]

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Dr. Temerlin's book, Lucy: Growing Up Human

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is indeed, a fascinating study.

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It's a definite first, isn't it, Doctor?

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I think so, never done this long,

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to raise the chimp past sexual maturity,

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starting so early.

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[Jane]  Lucy, give me my glasses.

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Lucy,

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give me my glasses.

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Give me my glasses.

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[Maurice]  Hormones have changed Lucy.

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[Jane]  Leave that alone, please.

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[Maurice]  She regularly turns our living room

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into pure chaos within minutes.

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-[upbeat music] -[Lucy chattering]

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And if she gets our keys,

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she can easily select the right one

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to open the door and escape.

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[Jane]  Lucy, where are you going?

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Won't you come back in here, please?

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[Maurice]  One time, she was eventually

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discovered going through the neighbor's refrigerator.

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Come on, Lucy, sit down here and have breakfast,

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come on.

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Come on, Luc.

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When Lucy comes into estrous,

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when a wild chimp is ready to mate,

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she shows interest in any human male outside the family.

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It started affecting her social life

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because friends and family

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have become intimidated by her size and strength.

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[cow moos]

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Most have stopped visiting all together.

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[interviewer]  We have only a few more moments.

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Why did you do this and do you think you've missed anything

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as a result of concentrating so heavily,

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your life, your family life, with a chimp?

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I think Lucy may have missed something,

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not knowing chimpanzees, but I don't think we have.

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[Janis]  The grooming sessions between us

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became a regular event

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and it was kind of a norm for Lucy and a norm for me.

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There was this overwhelming fear

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that I was gonna have to tell Maury and Jane

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that I couldn't keep this a secret forever.

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So the best thing for me to do was be upfront and tell them.

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[door closes]

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Maurice, there's something

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I've been wanting to tell you about Lucy.

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It was much easier to talk to Maury

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about what I'd done than Jane.

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I mean definitely, it wouldn't have been Jane

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to discuss this with.

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[Janis] I'm really sorry that this has happened

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and I hope that you won't think I've been disrespectful to you.

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[Janis]  He listened to me without interrupting,

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without saying a word.

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But please don't fire me, I really wanna keep the job.

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He said that he was surprised,

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happily surprised, and then he said--

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Do you wanna meet her outside the cage?

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[Janis]  I never dreamed that he would say something like that.

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I mean, grooming through the wire,

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that is totally different

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than a face-to-face with an adult chimp.

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I'll be right there, so if anything starts to go wrong,

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I'll put Lucy right back into the cage.

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It'll all be fine.

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I don't know.

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[Janis]  I never thought that there was

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anything positive to come of this.

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I don't know.

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He just talked me into it.

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-[cage rattling] -[Lucy chattering]

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Maury did nothing that he promised that he was gonna do.

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[Lucy shrieking]

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I was scared to death.

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I couldn't breath because her mouth was covering mine.

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All I could do is pray that it wasn't gonna go any further.

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[Lucy panting]

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And then she sat to the side, panting,

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and really frantically grooming me.

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I think she was very excited by the opportunity

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for us to have full physical contact.

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-[quiet chattering] -[gentle music]

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[laughs]

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She was happy, she was really happy.

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[dog barks]

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I became the friend from outside of the nuclear family.

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And she brought me in.

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It was at a time in her emotional development

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that she needed more than just her mom and dad all the time.

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One day when I went to work, there was a note.

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In all the months that I'd been there,

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there had never been a request to see me, never.

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The last few years have been difficult for us.

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Having to put our daughter into a cage...

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[Janis]  Maury's the one that did the talking.

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He spoke very emotionally

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about what they had been going through with Lucy.

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[clattering]

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[Maurice]  Fully grown,

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Lucy has become unpredictable around strangers.

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[object clatters]

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[Jane]  No no, no, no, no no, sit down.

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[Maurice]  Lucy, sit down.

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Lucy, sit down right here.

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-Lucy-- -Lucy, sit down.

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[Lucy chattering]

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[Maurice]  Recently, she bit someone and threatened others.

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Is this her nature, overtaking our nurture?

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We no longer go anywhere there could be people.

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And she's spending more and more time in her cage.

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Growing up, we gave Lucy a loving family home...

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...but it's now an impossible place

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for her to live as an adult.

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Jane and I have had to make

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one of the toughest decisions of our lives...

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...to find Lucy a new home...

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...one where she doesn't have her freedoms taken away

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and can be her own person.

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It'll mean losing our daughter.

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But it's the best thing for Lucy.

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They were in a predicament of their own making

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and they were fully aware of it,

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but at the time that they brought Lucy home

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and conceptualization of this program,

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I don't think that anyone knew the downside of it.

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I know they didn't.

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We've been searching all over Europe and the U.S.

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to find her a new home,

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but nothing has even come close to being good enough.

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[Janis]  He recounted all the pros and cons of each place.

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Nothing was satisfactory.

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And then his whole demeanor changed.

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He got a little bit of a sparkle back in his eyes

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and he said that they had heard about a project.

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That takes chimpanzees and teaches them

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how to live in the wild.

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And so, we're taking Lucy to Africa.

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[Janis]  It kind of hit me,

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gee, Lucy's gonna go all the way to Africa?

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And it just seemed so far-fetched

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and so out of left field.

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[Maurice] We're gonna go over with her to settle her in

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and we want you to come with us too.

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It was a real shock to me, a big shock to me.

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Um...

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I had never been to Africa.

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It wasn't on my list of places to go either.

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But there was no way that I could say no.

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I needed to go to give Lucy the support.

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[dramatic music]

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Maury and Jane were gonna stay for two weeks,

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and I would stay one week after they left.

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Packing for the trip, everything was about Lucy.

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I was overloaded with dry fruit,

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her mirror [laughs]

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and all of her stuff was priority.

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I took a couple of outfits to wear,

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three paperback books,

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and I feel like I had a flute.

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I do recall one of the cabin attendants coming up

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and saying that people in first class

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were hearing Lucy screaming.

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I think she thought that she was enhancing our journey

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by telling us that, but I just can imagine

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Maury and Jane, for sure, would not wanna hear that.

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[dramatic orchestral music]

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[Man] Here, in the Gambia, West Africa,

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is the Abuko Nature Reserve where captive chimpanzees,

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both young and adult, are being returned to the wild.

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[birds chirping]

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[gentle music]

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[animals chattering]

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[Jane]  No one had taken a chimp

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that had been born in the States

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and taken it back to the wild,

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and particularly one that had been deprived

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of growing up with chimpanzees.

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The hope was that she would be free,

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she would be part of a chimpanzee community

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and bond with them,

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but many, many steps and many, many hazards

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between the idea and the reality of that.

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[Janis]  They had found an option

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that they felt had high risks,

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but you know, if it worked, it was paradise

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and that's what they wanted for her.

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And so that's the road that they took,

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but it doesn't mean that it was an easy road for them.

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Often they couldn't speak.

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Words couldn't come out even if they wanted to

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because, you know, the emotion was all the way up to there.

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And I'm sure they were counting the days

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until the final goodbye.

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[gentle music]

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[Jane]  We were saying goodbye to a daughter.

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She was a very intimate part of our lives for over a decade.

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A long time.

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[gentle music]

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Maury and I were going to leave

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and we said, as we always did, "Goodnight, Lucy."

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And she said her goodnight,

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which was a lovely low, soft panting.

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It was a loving goodbye, it was.

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She didn't realize she wouldn't see us in the morning,

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but we did.

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I can still hear that.

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[low, soft panting]

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[Janis]  Lucy had a million physical reasons

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for being depressed

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and then she had the whopping emotional one

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of, "What in the world am I doing here?"

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"What is this about, where is Maury and Jane?"

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And I had no way to explain this to Lucy.

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[Lucy chattering]

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So, I mean, why act like life is great?

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It wasn't for her.

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[quiet music]

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She didn't have any friends,

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she was clearly dependent on me.

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So I extended by two weeks...

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...and still, she was not giving indicators

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that we were even moving in the right direction on this.

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Not long after that, I remember...

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...setting my last extension to three months.

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After that, I really had to get moving

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with my own life's plans because

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I had an assistantship at the university, I was teaching.

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I had a dog.

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I had a boyfriend.

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So that was to be the final decision.

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Not long after that, finances became an issue.

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And I moved from the hotel...

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...into a tree house in the Abuko Nature Reserve.

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I think everyone had the expectation

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that I knew what I was getting myself into

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and that I had experience.

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But I didn't know anything.

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I don't think I ever really used matches before

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that I can remember.

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Everything was always electricity.

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A lot of things that I didn't even think about

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until I was presented with a situation.

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It never even occurred to me that there was no water.

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But the strong point was,

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I was gonna be 100 meters away from Lucy...

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...and I could be going back and forth at great ease.

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[Lucy chattering]

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She lost tremendous amounts of weight,

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mostly because of parasites,

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and started to lose patches of hair.

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I think a lot of it had to do with

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the unfamiliarity of the food and the climate.

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She was just like barely hanging on.

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Lucy only had me and her memories.

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So I tried to stay with her as long as I could.

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And we would play these little games

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where I would go Lucy's nose, Janis' nose,

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Lucy's ear, Janis' ear, and you know,

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she would sit there very in tune with what I was doing

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and concentrating like it was the most important thing to her.

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[gentle music]

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And I became the focal point for her social contact

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and she was, for me.

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[gentle music]

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I think that we began to know each other

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as people during that era.

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There was no more chimpanzee, human...

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...it was Janis and Lucy.

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[Jane]  It was clear, at that point,

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this is gonna be a much longer,

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much more difficult task than any of us imagined.

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A growing understanding of what I'm asking of her...

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...to give up her life in the States

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and the path that she was on

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and stay there under those circumstances.

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I pleaded with her to come back.

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But she was steadfast.

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She wouldn't do it.

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[Janis]  I wasn't even aware

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of the depth of my feeling for Lucy

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until I was faced with the question,

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was I able to leave her in that kind of a situation?

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Or did I have an allegiance

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to my love for her to stay with her?

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Which, that's what I decided to do.

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[announcer] Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.

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Our special report today takes us to the Gambia

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where the fundamental elements of survival,

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which were never learned by these chimps,

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are being taught to them now

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in a very comprehensive program by Janis Carter.

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[energetic music]

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They must be taught the essential skills

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such as how to find food and water,

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how to recognize and avoid predators,

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and even how to communicate with another chimpanzee.

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I wasn't a professional, nobody had taught me how to do it.

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It was just trial and error,

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learning whatever I thought a chimp would have done,

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I would try to do that myself.

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[grunting]

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Already, Dash has reacted to my food grunting

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and has accepted the idea of this new food source.

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When I took the smaller chimps out,

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I would take a bag with me

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and I would collect extra

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and I would take it back for Lucy.

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She couldn't go out of the cage

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because she was much too large and potentially dangerous.

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And tourists walked through this reserve.

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The idea was, it would be a gradual transition

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from a diet that she was familiar with and that she liked

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to a diet that she would be eating in the wild.

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-[Lucy chattering] -Mm.

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But even with me eating it,

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and giving really exaggerated food grunts

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like I just loved it...

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...she would pretend like it wasn't there.

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She just wasn't willing to try and

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my concerns that, you know, the next stage was gonna be

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the real world for Lucy and what was that going to be like

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if she couldn't even adjust at this stage.

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-[birds chirping] -[gentle music]

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[door closes]

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I knew that this was the next step in the whole process,

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but I really loved Abuko.

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I couldn't imagine leaving this beautiful Garden of Eden

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to go up to this wild area.

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It frightened me, it really did scare me.

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[man]  While the majority of the journey is by Land Rover,

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the final stage is by boat, handled by the director of

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Gambia's Wildlife Conservation Department, Eddie Brewer.

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[Janis]  I was dropped off, alone,

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and initially, I didn't even have a boat...

529
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.000
...and not a radio, nothing.

530
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.000
I felt abandoned then.

531
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.000
-[birds chirping] -[animals chittering]

532
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:41.000
But I couldn't really show this in front of the chimps

533
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.000
because I was supposed to be the brave one

534
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.000
and I was the leader,

535
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.000
but I did not know what we were doing.

536
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.000
[chimps chittering]

537
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.000
We were gonna be in a world that we didn't know...

538
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.000
...that we had to begin to get to know together.

539
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:08.000
[energetic, dramatic music]

540
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.000
There's always something spiritual about a forest.

541
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:18.000
Sometimes my skin gets kind of tingly,

542
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.000
depending on what I'm walking through.

543
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:28.000
The periphery of the island was gallery forest.

544
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.000
[dramatic music]

545
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:36.000
Then there was woodland savanna and the interior was swamp.

546
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.000
[dramatic music]

547
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.000
I had snakes around me all the time,

548
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:50.000
a lot of cobras and puff adders.

549
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.000
-[dramatic music] -[chimps chittering]

550
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.000
There were hippos and there were hyenas

551
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.000
on the island as well.

552
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.000
Well, I don't think anyone told me about the leopards.

553
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.000
I had a cage that had been constructed

554
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.000
by the British Army.

555
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.000
It wasn't for me to be protected from the environment,

556
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.000
it was so that my things could be protected from the chimps.

557
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.000
In the beginning, it was a bed,

558
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.000
a mosquito net,

559
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.000
the gas burner for heating water and cooking,

560
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:47.000
which I rarely did.

561
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.000
It didn't occur to me that I should have filtered water.

562
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.000
I would just take water from the river and then

563
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.000
the dirt would settle down to the bottom

564
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.000
and that's what I drank.

565
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:12.000
[flies buzzing]

566
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.000
One time was a rat

567
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.000
and I had been drinking out of that bucket.

568
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.000
[insects chirping]

569
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:32.000
At night, the chimps, they were going to sleep outside,

570
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.000
I was going to sleep inside.

571
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.000
But they wanted to be as close as they possibly could to me,

572
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:55.000
so they slept on the roof, just above my bed.

573
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.000
-[animals shrieking] -[cage rattling]

574
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.000
For all of us, there were a lot of vocalizations

575
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.000
that we hadn't heard in Abuko.

576
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:23.000
[animals shrieking]

577
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.000
Every time there was some foreign sound

578
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.000
that woke them up,

579
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.000
they would immediately urinate or defecate.

580
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.000
[animals shrieking]

581
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.000
And it would come down on my bed.

582
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.000
There was no way that I could stop them.

583
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:43.000
I just had to accept that this is the way it was going to be.

584
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:48.000
[chimps chittering]

585
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:54.000
I did think to myself, "Jesus, what am I doing?"

586
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.000
[animals shrieking]

587
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:12.000
I did advertise for somebody to come to work for me.

588
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:18.000
And a couple of people answered.

589
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.000
Neither one of the people ever even got out of the boat

590
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.000
on the jetty, the chimps just went nuts.

591
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:31.000
[gentle music]

592
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.000
This was a stranger to our little world

593
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.000
and they didn't want anyone there at all.

594
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.000
That left me alone,

595
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.000
completely alone with them.

596
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.000
There was no one that could kinda take over in my absence.

597
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.000
There was no way that I could even think about going away

598
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.000
for an extended period of time.

599
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.000
It was emotionally difficult.

600
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:33.000
-[chimps shrieking] -[cage rattling]

601
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.000
[typewriter clicking]

602
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.000
I suppose part of what made it harder

603
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:46.000
was that I didn't have anyone to confer with.

604
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.000
Everything was on me and my gut.

605
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.000
In terms of written communication,

606
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:04.000
it could be six months before I would get a response

607
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:09.000
with the feedback from someone to reassure me that, "Yes,

608
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.000
you're doing the right thing."

609
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:14.000
[typewriter clanks]

610
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.000
[Jane]  She was clear about the struggles.

611
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.000
She was clear about how hard it was.

612
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.000
You know, waiting for every letter from her.

613
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.000
What's going to be next?

614
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.000
Is Lucy gonna be hurt? Is Lucy gonna be sick?

615
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.000
How about Janis,

616
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.000
is she going to be overwhelmed by what she's dealing with?

617
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:45.000
I worried about her health and her well-being every day,

618
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.000
every day.

619
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:47.000
[typewriter clanks]

620
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.000
[typewriter clicking]

621
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:06.000
[birds chirping]

622
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.000
[Janis]  The others were okay.

623
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.000
I knew that they would make it.

624
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.000
They would forage, they would go off together.

625
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.000
[dramatic music]

626
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:31.000
But Lucy was a different case altogether.

627
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:44.000
Well, Lucy's smart enough to respond to modeling behavior

628
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.000
and she knew what I was trying to do.

629
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.000
[Janis] Lucy,

630
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.000
food, get.

631
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.000
[Janis]  She just wasn't gonna bend an inch,

632
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.000
it seemed like, and forage for herself.

633
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.000
[Janis] Lucy, food, get.

634
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:09.000
Her accepting that wild fruits and leaves

635
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:11.000
were going to be a major part of her diet

636
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.000
was really important.

637
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.000
Lucy, food, get.

638
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:21.000
She needed to do this in order to survive

639
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.000
and in order for me to leave.

640
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.000
Lucy, food, get.

641
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.000
Where I really began to ponder...

642
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:33.000
Lucy, food, get.

643
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.000
...we've gotta find some other kind of option for Lucy.

644
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.000
This isn't gonna work.

645
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:41.000
[dramatic music]

646
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.000
I wrote to the Temerlins, saying that,

647
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.000
you know, she just won't, she won't do this.

648
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.000
She's just, I don't know what we're gonna do about it.

649
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.000
[typewriter clicking]

650
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.000
[interviewer]  And do you think, in the back of your mind,

651
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.000
you're thinking, "I've come all this way,

652
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:04.000
I've given up everything for you

653
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.000
and you're not doing what--"

654
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.000
I never thought, it never went through my head,

655
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.000
"You owe me. [laughs]

656
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.000
I've given everything up."

657
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.000
That idea never went through my head at all,

658
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:17.000
through any of it.

659
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.000
I knew that she could do it

660
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.000
and I just couldn't figure out

661
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.000
why she wouldn't just give in and do it.

662
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:35.000
And this went on and on and on.

663
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.000
Lucy, eat the food!

664
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.000
Understand!

665
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.000
Lucy, eat food.

666
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.000
[Janis]  This particular day,

667
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.000
I had gotten angry at her and yelled at her.

668
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.000
Lucy, eat food!

669
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.000
I probably expressed exasperation

670
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.000
like I had never expressed it before.

671
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.000
Mmm, mmm, mmm.

672
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:06.000
[Janis]  I'm not even gonna try anymore,

673
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.000
just forget it.

674
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.000
Lucy, eat food!

675
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:12.000
[birds chirping]

676
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.000
I don't know if I just passed out

677
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.000
or if I actually went to sleep.

678
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:30.000
But when I woke up, the world had changed.

679
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.000
[Lucy chittering]

680
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.000
[gentle music]

681
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:47.000
[Lucy chittering]

682
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.000
She was eating leaves.

683
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.000
[laughing]

684
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:53.000
Lucy knew me very well.

685
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:57.000
She was very sensitive to people's moods.

686
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.000
It's possible that she understood

687
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.000
I had reached my limit that day.

688
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.000
It was, perhaps, a breaking point for her

689
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.000
that she finally had to give in.

690
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.000
It was an immense relief.

691
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:30.000
I had lost hope, but it really gave me hope.

692
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.000
[chimps chittering]

693
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.000
[interviewer]  It strikes me

694
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.000
that relief was the turning point.

695
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.000
But it was only on the feeding front,

696
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.000
it wasn't on anything else.

697
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:47.000
-[insects chirping] -[gentle music]

698
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.000
Even if Lucy acquired her foraging skills,

699
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.000
she couldn't have survived on the island totally alone.

700
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:04.000
She had to integrate socially

701
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.000
with the rest of the chimps.

702
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:11.000
But she wanted all of her emotional needs

703
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:17.000
and social needs met by me and it prevented her

704
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.000
from interacting with anyone else in the group.

705
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:26.000
[chimps chittering]

706
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.000
So I had to withdraw for her to feel empty

707
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.000
to the point that she would look to somebody else

708
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.000
to fulfill those needs.

709
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.000
[crying]

710
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.000
I knew how it was impacting on Lucy,

711
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.000
that she was feeling ignored and left out

712
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.000
and forgotten and unloved.

713
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.000
But if I gave in,

714
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:16.000
she wouldn't be able to realize what we had all hoped

715
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.000
that she would, which was to be independent,

716
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.000
free and have choice.

717
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.000
[animals chittering]

718
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:40.000
I had been so afraid to go to the island,

719
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:45.000
but the longer that I stayed, the less I wanted to leave.

720
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:51.000
It was the perfect paradise that I was so lucky

721
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:53.000
to have found that.

722
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:01.000
But it was a different kind of paradise.

723
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.000
There were some unusual things that happened at night.

724
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:17.000
[animals chittering]

725
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.000
[dramatic music]

726
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:41.000
[animals chittering]

727
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.000
I would see a light.

728
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.000
It would go back and forth and back.

729
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.000
[animals chittering]

730
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.000
I could feel this really strong pull,

731
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.000
trying to pull me into it.

732
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:07.000
[suspenseful music]

733
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:18.000
[birds chirping]

734
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.000
And it always happened the same way, just like that.

735
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.000
I believe that there were spirits

736
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.000
that were taking care of me when I was there

737
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:39.000
and that's why I survived it all those years.

738
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.000
I was never harmed.

739
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.000
[animals chittering]

740
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.000
I suppose those are the layers of mystery

741
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:54.000
that really enhanced how I feel about the island.

742
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.000
[boat engine humming]

743
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.000
I tried to keep a balance

744
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.000
between communicating with the outside world

745
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.000
and living a life that I was on the island.

746
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:13.000
But it was very difficult.

747
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.000
[playful music]

748
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:22.000
I would read letters with great excitement

749
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.000
and be happy with it.

750
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:38.000
And then in a very short period of time,

751
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:41.000
it was like some sentence was kinda highlighted,

752
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:46.000
going across [laughs] my brain, what's this mean?

753
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.000
"Maybe now we can start thinking about

754
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:52.000
returning to your life back here."

755
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:56.000
[muttering quietly]

756
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.000
Could it mean this? Could it mean that?

757
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:00.000
And I was really preoccupied with it.

758
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:11.000
It was actually making me unbalanced.

759
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.000
[muttering] "Back here now."

760
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.000
[muttering]

761
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:21.000
There was just no way that I could be totally immersed

762
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.000
in this world with the chimps

763
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:28.000
and also immersed in a human world.

764
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.000
I couldn't live in both worlds.

765
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:42.000
I just gradually drifted away

766
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:46.000
from family and friends.

767
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.000
I stopped writing

768
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.000
and I stopped receiving letters as well.

769
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.000
I don't remember being lonely.

770
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:37.000
I remember sometimes feeling like I had too much

771
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.000
human stimuli from the chimps and I would just scream,

772
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.000
"Can't you just leave me alone for a minute?"

773
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.000
They fulfilled all those human needs

774
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:52.000
that I had for social contact.

775
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:03.000
Lucy and I had more of a friendship.

776
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.000
My feelings for Dash...

777
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:16.000
...it was more mother- offspring type of feeling.

778
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.000
He manipulated me, just like all little boys do

779
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.000
with their mothers.

780
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:27.000
Especially if they're an only child.

781
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.000
But we just loved each other's company.

782
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:40.000
[interviewer] So you were sort of

783
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.000
reaching another level of being with them.

784
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.000
Were you, essentially, one of them?

785
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.000
I don't know, I don't...

786
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.000
I don't know if I ever became

787
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:57.000
a chimp, so to speak.

788
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.000
But I do think that our personalities

789
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:12.000
and our cultural tendencies all met together

790
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:15.000
at some point and we were just who we were.

791
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:24.000
And things changed for Lucy as well.

792
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.000
She developed a different kind of aura about herself,

793
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.000
one that was more peaceful.

794
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:43.000
She didn't have patches of hair missing anymore

795
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:47.000
and she didn't express such neediness

796
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:49.000
as she had in the early years.

797
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.000
She could go out and forage with the group without me.

798
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:58.000
She interacted with the other chimps.

799
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:08.000
I just thought of us as beings,

800
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:12.000
that it was Dash and Janis

801
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:16.000
and Lucy and Lakey,

802
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.000
not Janis with a group of chimps.

803
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.000
And we were on a mission.

804
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:38.000
I learned a lot more about families...

805
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:43.000
...living with the chimps than I think I did

806
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.000
with my own human family.

807
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:51.000
[insects chirping]

808
01:02:56.000 --> 01:03:00.000
Sunset was a really important moment of reflection

809
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.000
for all of us.

810
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:07.000
You know, we would always go out on the jetty.

811
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.000
No matter who was mad at who during the day

812
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:21.000
or who had bitten who or was holding a grudge or whatever,

813
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:26.000
it all washed away as the sun went down.

814
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.000
And we'd hang our hands in the river.

815
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:41.000
I don't know why that makes me emotional.

816
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.000
[gentle music]

817
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:54.000
It just seemed...

818
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.000
...so genuine.

819
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:03.000
Every second of it was just so genuine and we were...

820
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.000
appreciative of what life had given us that day.

821
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:22.000
Feeling that all of these vile forces of civilization

822
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:25.000
just did not impact us.

823
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:28.000
It was...

824
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.000
...just us.

825
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:39.000
[birds chirping]

826
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.000
[insects chirping]

827
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:49.000
I didn't think about going back at that point.

828
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.000
Time had a different schedule for me then.

829
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.000
I mean, I would have indicators of seasons

830
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:09.000
by the date palm putting out its new fruits

831
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:12.000
and you know that a whole year has passed.

832
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.000
I was...

833
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.000
I suppose you call it living in the moment, don't you?

834
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:20.000
I was living in the moment.

835
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:42.000
This particular day, it was a hot day.

836
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:46.000
[chimps chittering]

837
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.000
We were all walking the forest.

838
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:55.000
And I was in the back and I probably wasn't even thinking

839
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.000
about what I was doing.

840
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.000
[chimps chittering]

841
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:05.000
I suddenly heard everybody scream and scatter.

842
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:07.000
[chimps shrieking]

843
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:11.000
And there was Dash, he had his hair up.

844
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:15.000
He was all pumped up and he was like bouncing on his toes.

845
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.000
I was gonna get it that day.

846
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.000
I was the leader in the beginning.

847
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.000
He was young when we first went there,

848
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:31.000
but he respected the dominance hierarchy.

849
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.000
But he was the oldest male,

850
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:38.000
so it was inevitable that he was going to be the one

851
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.000
that was gonna take over leadership of the group.

852
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.000
But for some reason,

853
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.000
I never thought that this was gonna happen.

854
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:55.000
[chimps screaming]

855
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:59.000
I just stood there and he charged me.

856
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.000
This is it.

857
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.000
[chimps screaming]

858
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.000
He grabbed my leg.

859
01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.000
And he just dragged me everywhere he was going.

860
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.000
[chimps screaming]

861
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.000
And then he dragged me through this thorn bush,

862
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.000
and my body got caught.

863
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.000
[dramatic music]

864
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.000
-[labored breathing] -[running footsteps]

865
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:49.000
-[chimps screaming] -[cage rattling]

866
01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:06.000
[labored breathing]

867
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.000
I was no longer the leader, I was number two,

868
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.000
but a number two that wasn't gonna be tolerated.

869
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.000
Dash would have slammed me if I tried to stay.

870
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.000
This was his place now.

871
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:43.000
[gentle music]

872
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:50.000
It was very strange, leaving the island.

873
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:55.000
I wanted the feeling that I was a part of something

874
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:56.000
and I didn't have it.

875
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.000
I really missed the fullness of my life

876
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:06.000
and kind of purpose that I felt when I woke up.

877
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.000
[horn honking]

878
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:11.000
[people chattering]

879
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.000
[Jane]  She had a hard time adjusting.

880
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:18.000
How do you go back to living

881
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.000
primarily in a world of human beings?

882
01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.000
And you're having to live an everyday life,

883
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.000
negotiating human structures,

884
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:35.000
human customs, human food.

885
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:39.000
[people chattering]

886
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.000
It was incredibly stressful for her.

887
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:47.000
-[radio blasting] -[horn honks]

888
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:52.000
-[gentle music] -[birds chirping]

889
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.000
[Janis]  I knew that she was getting better,

890
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:04.000
but there was still this,

891
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:09.000
the overall concern on my part that Lucy was not going to

892
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.000
be able to survive without me there

893
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:16.000
kind of orchestrating or monitoring what was going on.

894
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.000
I took some of her human objects

895
01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:54.000
that had been so important to her before.

896
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:56.000
She picked them up, looked at them

897
01:10:56.000 --> 01:10:58.000
and put them back down again.

898
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.000
Nothing that had been important to her before,

899
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:08.000
that mirror was just like her very favorite object,

900
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:09.000
it meant nothing.

901
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.000
[gentle music]

902
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:18.000
After that, we groomed each other and talked a little bit.

903
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.000
And then she suddenly,

904
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.000
um, really without any indication, grabbed me...

905
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:39.000
...and just pulled me really tight.

906
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.000
It was very intense,

907
01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.000
it was not like any other embrace we had ever had.

908
01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:04.000
It signified the life that we had shared together.

909
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.000
At the end of it,

910
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:28.000
she just got up, turned around

911
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:30.000
and walked back to the other chimps.

912
01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:38.000
I was really, really surprised

913
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.000
that she initiated the separation.

914
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:48.000
Honestly, it had been so hard for so long,

915
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:52.000
I just never thought that she would walk away from me.

916
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.000
But Lucy had finally made it.

917
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:05.000
She was comfortable within herself

918
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:07.000
and that she was in control of her own life,

919
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.000
which is what we'd all wanted.

920
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.000
Lucy still loved me, that was very, very clear,

921
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:27.000
but she didn't need me in the way that she had

922
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:29.000
for so many years.

923
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:39.000
Eventually, I felt comfortable enough

924
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.000
to take my first real vacation,

925
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.000
leaving Lucy behind in her new life.

926
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.000
I always had wanted to go to Bali.

927
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:53.000
[gentle music]

928
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:06.000
I had this dream one night

929
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:11.000
about Lucy getting on an airplane

930
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.000
and she had a bag with her

931
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:17.000
and she was going up the ladder of the plane.

932
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:25.000
I knew that she...

933
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:28.000
...she was dead.

934
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.000
[birds chirping]

935
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:49.000
There was no indication

936
01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:52.000
of what might have been the cause of death.

937
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:56.000
But the more that we talked about it,

938
01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:00.000
the more it just remains a mystery what happened to her.

939
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:06.000
I wanted her buried on the island.

940
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.000
So she's there on the island.

941
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:18.000
[interviewer] That's the right place

942
01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.000
for her to be, though, isn't it?

943
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:22.000
Yeah.

944
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.000
That was her final home.

945
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.000
[Jane]  I was always just waiting.

946
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:49.000
When were we gonna get the call?

947
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:57.000
And it was a very, very difficult thing to hear.

948
01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:02.000
It was a terrible loss for all of us.

949
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:11.000
I was so grateful to Janis

950
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:17.000
for giving Lucy this chance after her time with us.

951
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:23.000
She had some really good years.

952
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:29.000
And she had freedom and she wasn't in a cage.

953
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:33.000
She was protected, she was loved.

954
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:34.000
She had Janis.

955
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:38.000
But I wouldn't take a chimp

956
01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:41.000
from its chimpanzee mother again.

957
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:49.000
Lucy's death had a certain finality

958
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:52.000
to the rest of what I was doing with my life.

959
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:02.000
I did go through a lot of thinking

960
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:05.000
as to whether I had achieved everything

961
01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:06.000
that I had set out to do.

962
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:11.000
Was it time to start thinking about returning to the U.S.?

963
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.000
Do I need to be here anymore?

964
01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:21.000
[inspirational music]

965
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:52.000
For years, after I left the island,

966
01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:57.000
I used to have a ritual of watching the sun go down.

967
01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:04.000
It didn't really matter where I was.

968
01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:09.000
It was a sacred moment.

969
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:19.000
I guess that was the beauty of that period of my life

970
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.000
was that I did have that feeling.

971
01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.000
I mean, how often do you get a chance

972
01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:29.000
to live like that today?

973
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.000
[gentle music]

974
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.000
[gentle music]