WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:18.980 --> 00:00:21.140 Where's the cat? 4 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:26.220 Where is it? 5 00:00:33.540 --> 00:00:35.220 Baby... 6 00:00:35.220 --> 00:00:36.540 I waved to him! 7 00:00:36.540 --> 00:00:37.780 It's red! 8 00:00:37.780 --> 00:00:40.940 I fucking could have made it through there. What the fuck? 9 00:00:41.460 --> 00:00:43.340 That's stupid! 10 00:00:43.340 --> 00:00:45.980 No, because... look, Chris... 11 00:00:45.980 --> 00:00:49.020 There is people in the middle, you will put great traffic... 12 00:00:49.020 --> 00:00:50.860 I would have been on right there. 13 00:00:51.980 --> 00:00:54.860 What's the problem with you? The law is the law. 14 00:00:56.140 --> 00:00:58.500 That's a judgment call, it wasn't red. 15 00:01:11.340 --> 00:01:13.340 You missed a piece... 16 00:01:24.540 --> 00:01:25.780 line:5% What's up, man? 17 00:01:25.780 --> 00:01:28.780 line:5% I'm selling the box : 30 €. 18 00:01:28.780 --> 00:01:32.740 line:5% Yeah, but I play electric guitar. I don't play acoustic. 19 00:01:34.820 --> 00:01:39.340 line:5% I'd put drugs in that thing. I'd put drugs in there. 20 00:01:40.500 --> 00:01:43.300 line:5% "Chris Holmes on Radio Beat!" 21 00:01:43.300 --> 00:01:47.180 We've been talking about him during the last hour, 22 00:01:47.180 --> 00:01:52.740 finally, guitarist Chris Holmes is in our studio for the first time ever! 23 00:01:52.740 --> 00:01:58.540 Chris, for many people, you are an american rock star who leads a wild life. 24 00:01:58.540 --> 00:02:00.700 What do you think of the way people see you? 25 00:02:00.700 --> 00:02:02.700 I don't really care. 26 00:02:02.700 --> 00:02:05.100 They’re not the ones paying my bills. 27 00:02:05.100 --> 00:02:10.140 A rock star is somebody like Gene Simmons, 28 00:02:10.140 --> 00:02:12.940 who wants to be... 29 00:02:12.940 --> 00:02:16.700 They walk in the room and: "I'm a rock star." 30 00:02:16.700 --> 00:02:19.060 Me, it's a way of life or whatever. 31 00:02:19.060 --> 00:02:21.340 It's a personality, you know. 32 00:02:21.340 --> 00:02:25.260 I don't even have any memorabilia from W.A.S.P. 33 00:02:25.260 --> 00:02:27.980 Nothing. - Nothing left? 34 00:02:54.900 --> 00:02:57.420 The biggest part of the sound was Chris' guitar, 35 00:02:57.420 --> 00:03:00.100 and just his attitude, the way he played, man. 36 00:03:00.100 --> 00:03:03.740 He was like angry: "Motherfucker...!" 37 00:03:03.740 --> 00:03:07.580 He was angry and that was all part of the fuckin' attitude, man. 38 00:03:07.580 --> 00:03:11.020 Chris is a huge part of the W.A.S.P. sound for sure. 39 00:03:11.020 --> 00:03:13.820 His guitar tone and his parts are huge part of it. 40 00:03:13.820 --> 00:03:16.940 The most metal guy in that band, for sure. 41 00:03:16.940 --> 00:03:21.380 That guy was not messing around, he was living it. 42 00:03:21.380 --> 00:03:24.260 I recognize him as an icon in music. 43 00:03:24.260 --> 00:03:26.340 When I first got into heavy-metal, 44 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:34.420 line:5% W.A.S.P. and especially Chris Holmes, was one of the first inspirational figureheads. 45 00:03:34.420 --> 00:03:37.180 There was Ozzy, this was beyond KISS. 46 00:03:37.180 --> 00:03:39.780 I remember watching those pictures in the magazines, 47 00:03:39.780 --> 00:03:46.220 looking at Chris Holmes with the black eyeliner and the big blond hair... 48 00:03:46.220 --> 00:03:47.900 "That's a cool guy, I wanna be him." 49 00:03:47.900 --> 00:03:54.020 Chris was like the US version of Lemmy, back in the early 80s. 50 00:03:54.020 --> 00:03:58.980 He was Lemmy, but just more crazy, psycho, 51 00:03:58.980 --> 00:04:00.980 uncontrollable... 52 00:04:00.980 --> 00:04:03.540 That was rock n' roll. 53 00:04:03.540 --> 00:04:06.180 That's what the L.A. scene really needed, 54 00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:11.140 to take it out of that glam-rock stigma that was going on in L.A. 55 00:04:11.140 --> 00:04:15.420 The first two W.A.S.P. records are still two of my favorite records. 56 00:04:15.420 --> 00:04:20.340 line:5% I remember listening to that, going: "I gotta move to L.A., 57 00:04:20.340 --> 00:04:22.380 'cause that's where that's happening." 58 00:04:22.380 --> 00:04:25.500 Those really inspired me to get my ass out there. 59 00:04:38.060 --> 00:04:41.340 My wife and I moved from L.A. to Europe, 60 00:04:41.340 --> 00:04:44.460 so we came to visit her parents, they live in Cannes. 61 00:04:44.460 --> 00:04:46.700 "No, baby, I see you..." 62 00:04:48.260 --> 00:04:51.020 People think that W.A.S.P. was successful or whatever... 63 00:04:51.020 --> 00:04:55.220 Yeah, we sold a lot of records and we were successful, 64 00:04:55.220 --> 00:04:58.380 but I didn't understand how the money worked and all that stuff, 65 00:04:58.380 --> 00:05:02.140 so all the contracts, I guess I signed away... 66 00:05:02.140 --> 00:05:06.380 I didn't even sign away my publishing, I never got any out of it. 67 00:05:06.380 --> 00:05:08.780 Freddie ! 68 00:05:10.980 --> 00:05:13.620 Don't kiss me or I'll fuckin' punch you. 69 00:05:19.380 --> 00:05:24.900 line:5% My name is Frédéric Bujoli, I've been a lawyer for 15 years. 70 00:05:24.900 --> 00:05:28.820 line:5% I'm a huge heavy-metal and hard-rock fan. 71 00:05:28.820 --> 00:05:33.820 line:5% W.A.S.P. was of course one of the big 80s bands we listened to. 72 00:05:33.820 --> 00:05:38.100 line:5% Chris is now a singer and looking towards the future, 73 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:41.260 line:5% but we need to restore his rights from his past. 74 00:05:41.260 --> 00:05:47.420 line:5% Many things have not been settled since 1984. 75 00:05:49.780 --> 00:05:52.540 "Come over here, come here Ug." 76 00:05:52.540 --> 00:05:55.780 Here in France, a lot of people get mad that I don't speak French, 77 00:05:55.780 --> 00:06:00.020 but I don't sing in French. 78 00:06:00.020 --> 00:06:04.780 I'd learn English language first, before I learn French, but I still don't even know that. 79 00:06:04.780 --> 00:06:08.700 It's probably better that I don't understand what they say anyway. 80 00:06:10.340 --> 00:06:12.940 It's probably better that I don't understand it. 81 00:06:12.940 --> 00:06:17.460 Other than talking, there are other languages like this. 82 00:06:17.460 --> 00:06:20.540 That. 83 00:06:31.580 --> 00:06:33.140 Yo! 84 00:06:39.860 --> 00:06:45.060 This guy saw me play in L.A. in 1991. 85 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:46.740 1991. 86 00:06:46.740 --> 00:06:48.180 A long time ago. 87 00:06:48.180 --> 00:06:50.340 I saw this fuckin' guy on stage. 88 00:06:51.740 --> 00:06:54.340 You can't break it. 89 00:06:54.980 --> 00:06:59.380 Hair dryer... I get my hair dry. 90 00:06:59.860 --> 00:07:03.540 Most of the people I've surrounded myself with in Hollywood, 91 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:08.820 they just care about themselves: "What can you do for me?" 92 00:07:08.820 --> 00:07:14.940 Most of all other girls in my life, they really didn't give a crap about my career, 93 00:07:14.940 --> 00:07:17.500 or me playing music, or anything like that. 94 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:21.540 Sarah kinda cared about what I did musically. 95 00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:27.140 line:5% We spent a whole evening talking. 96 00:07:27.140 --> 00:07:29.980 line:5% He told me about his life, I told him about mine. 97 00:07:29.980 --> 00:07:32.820 line:5% It was natural and we never left each other. 98 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:37.980 line:5% Baby, there are people around, you can't do that now. 99 00:07:37.980 --> 00:07:41.300 line:5% This was my previous wife, before. 100 00:07:41.300 --> 00:07:45.180 line:5% She gives me a hug in the front. 101 00:08:20.300 --> 00:08:27.580 We've got ten minutes before my first gig I ever sang in my life. 102 00:08:28.260 --> 00:08:31.380 It's kind of a new chapter for me. 103 00:08:35.460 --> 00:08:39.540 It's great now because I don't have to put up with the L.S.D. 104 00:08:39.540 --> 00:08:43.260 It's called Lead Singer Disease. 105 00:08:43.260 --> 00:08:44.820 I've put up with that all my life. 106 00:08:44.820 --> 00:08:48.220 I'm not saying that all lead singers are assholes. 107 00:08:48.220 --> 00:08:50.540 A lot of them are. 108 00:08:50.540 --> 00:08:55.300 The lead singer I worked with for years was really hard to work with. 109 00:08:55.300 --> 00:08:57.260 That makes the other guys really nice, 110 00:08:57.260 --> 00:08:59.380 even if they're not, right? 111 00:10:29.460 --> 00:10:32.660 I like the part that makes people happy, 112 00:10:32.660 --> 00:10:35.140 makes me put some smile on their face. 113 00:10:35.140 --> 00:10:39.300 People bring their own records and want them signed. You've gotta do that. 114 00:10:39.300 --> 00:10:44.980 They get to take a picture with somebody they probably never thought they would be able to. 115 00:10:44.980 --> 00:10:47.980 You see a lot of people smile and say thanks, 116 00:10:47.980 --> 00:10:49.900 I like that. 117 00:10:49.900 --> 00:10:51.860 I don't like making people sad. 118 00:10:52.220 --> 00:10:54.860 - Good night! - Thank you! 119 00:10:55.380 --> 00:10:57.500 I am the one and only Blackie Lawless, 120 00:10:57.500 --> 00:11:00.580 and this is Chris Holmes: speak for them, Chris! 121 00:11:00.980 --> 00:11:03.660 Sometimes he has to... stop! 122 00:11:21.340 --> 00:11:24.700 W.A.S.P. were likes of new wave of shock band. 123 00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:26.900 They were really good as well. 124 00:11:26.900 --> 00:11:30.540 They took "God of Thunder" by KISS and they built on that. 125 00:11:30.540 --> 00:11:33.580 How could you not love the theatrics? 126 00:11:33.580 --> 00:11:38.460 First time I heard the song "Fuck Like a Beast", I was just on the floor laughing. 127 00:11:38.460 --> 00:11:42.380 line:5% I was reading the only magazine for popular music in Sweden, growing up, 128 00:11:42.380 --> 00:11:45.860 line:5% and W.A.S.P. had just come out with their first album, 129 00:11:45.860 --> 00:11:50.620 it was like an uproar in Sweden, everybody was outraged about this new music. 130 00:11:50.620 --> 00:11:53.660 When you paid for your ticket to go watch W.A.S.P., 131 00:11:53.660 --> 00:11:56.140 your shirt was worn-out when you walked out there, 132 00:11:56.140 --> 00:11:59.820 'cause you just got entertained for an hour and a half, in a big way. 133 00:12:16.940 --> 00:12:19.780 The first show they did was like on a Tuesday night. 134 00:12:19.780 --> 00:12:25.700 At that time, there was no Internet, no cellphones or big clunky things. 135 00:12:25.700 --> 00:12:28.540 They had a couple hundred people from word of mouth. 136 00:12:28.540 --> 00:12:32.140 That's when they tortured the girl on the rack. 137 00:12:32.140 --> 00:12:35.340 The story goes that the next Saturday, they kicked the headliner off, 138 00:12:35.340 --> 00:12:38.780 they put W.A.S.P. on it and 3.000 people came down. 139 00:12:38.780 --> 00:12:40.860 The fire marshalls wanted to shut them down. 140 00:12:40.860 --> 00:12:44.660 Blackie's idea was costumes that have weaponry. 141 00:12:44.660 --> 00:12:48.940 He had sawblades, bolts, lag bolts, 142 00:12:48.940 --> 00:12:53.660 and that stupid saw between his legs, I knew that was gonna be trouble. 143 00:12:53.660 --> 00:12:56.700 I heard later he blew himself up one time. 144 00:13:28.940 --> 00:13:32.580 It was scary because who the hell is eating raw meat on stage, 145 00:13:32.580 --> 00:13:35.260 and then throwing it at the crowd, and the crowd loving it? 146 00:13:35.260 --> 00:13:38.420 It was insane. I never wanted to be in the front row, 147 00:13:38.420 --> 00:13:40.540 I'd stay in the back because I didn't want to get hit by some raw meat. 148 00:13:40.540 --> 00:13:42.340 line:5% It was very scary, 149 00:13:42.340 --> 00:13:47.220 line:5% to see these huge men come out on stage, fire everywhere, smoke going off... 150 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:50.420 Blackie actually came up with the idea for the fire sign, 151 00:13:50.420 --> 00:13:53.460 but he wanted to do it round, with the name in the middle. 152 00:13:53.460 --> 00:13:56.900 I said "no, just frame the name". 153 00:13:56.900 --> 00:13:59.220 Frame the name in big letters, 154 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:01.460 we'll get fire resistant paint, 155 00:14:01.460 --> 00:14:03.940 'cause the letters were just wood, 156 00:14:03.940 --> 00:14:06.980 double-coat so nothing will burn, put bolts in it, 157 00:14:06.980 --> 00:14:09.460 scratch'em up a lot, make them look nasty, 158 00:14:09.460 --> 00:14:12.540 and then blow this flame up around 159 00:14:12.540 --> 00:14:16.140 with two 5-gallon tanks of propane, that's one of them right back there. 160 00:14:16.140 --> 00:14:19.180 One of the original propane tanks. 161 00:14:19.180 --> 00:14:22.420 And just doing crazy shit... 162 00:14:40.980 --> 00:14:42.860 Chris was wild. 163 00:14:42.860 --> 00:14:44.420 He is a showman. 164 00:14:44.420 --> 00:14:50.420 He could be just tired, not in a good mood or bummed out, 165 00:14:50.420 --> 00:14:55.780 soon as the lights hit, he was an animal. 166 00:14:55.780 --> 00:15:03.020 I always relied on, first of all the music that comes out of my hands, 167 00:15:03.020 --> 00:15:06.380 through the guitar, trough the speaker cabinets, 168 00:15:06.380 --> 00:15:09.940 off the stage. That's what people are gonna get. 169 00:15:09.940 --> 00:15:13.260 The theatrics... I don't know... 170 00:15:13.260 --> 00:15:19.940 I look at like like people that have to do it, they're not good enough to be themselves. 171 00:15:19.940 --> 00:15:24.500 They're not good enough to be on stage and people buying a ticket to watch it. 172 00:15:24.500 --> 00:15:26.460 Myself is. I am. 173 00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:29.220 He could do without the costumes, 174 00:15:29.220 --> 00:15:32.540 which is why he cut the butt off of his original costume. 175 00:15:32.540 --> 00:15:34.940 He said "If I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do it my way." 176 00:15:34.940 --> 00:15:37.940 I saw the film Jimi Hendrix and... 177 00:15:38.820 --> 00:15:41.740 That's my dog. He's Ug. 178 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:45.260 I saw the film Jimi Hendrix and... 179 00:15:45.860 --> 00:15:48.660 The way he played, jumping around... 180 00:15:48.660 --> 00:15:51.140 I dug it man, that's all I wanted to do. 181 00:15:51.140 --> 00:15:53.180 I never thought of myself: 182 00:15:53.180 --> 00:15:56.460 "Wow, ok, I'll create this guy, Chris Holmes." 183 00:16:21.500 --> 00:16:25.340 Gotta be always filming! 184 00:16:25.940 --> 00:16:29.620 You gotta hang that thing around your neck. 185 00:16:33.020 --> 00:16:34.540 That's it, right? 186 00:16:34.540 --> 00:16:36.500 Move that piece of shit! 187 00:16:36.500 --> 00:16:38.660 - Chris! - What? 188 00:17:02.380 --> 00:17:07.460 The sound is ok, but when you play, it's too loud. 189 00:17:07.460 --> 00:17:11.980 It's heavy metal, you can't ask Chris Holmes to play down like he plays disco! 190 00:17:11.980 --> 00:17:15.060 Hey, who fucked up on the soundcheck? 191 00:17:15.060 --> 00:17:18.020 These guys are waiting for us. 192 00:17:19.140 --> 00:17:21.020 Why do you look at me when you do that? 193 00:17:21.020 --> 00:17:23.220 Sarah, I'm not saying you did. 194 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:24.820 We play at 10? 195 00:17:51.660 --> 00:17:53.940 line:5% My amp's fucked! 196 00:18:21.460 --> 00:18:23.700 How you doin'? 197 00:18:24.340 --> 00:18:25.820 What's up? 198 00:18:30.780 --> 00:18:33.180 I have to thank for one thing my wife Sarah, 199 00:18:33.180 --> 00:18:36.780 if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't be here at all. 200 00:18:39.340 --> 00:18:41.700 I'll be at home in my closet, drinking, 201 00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:44.140 smoking dope, doing nothing... 202 00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:51.860 Thank you very much! 203 00:19:00.940 --> 00:19:04.180 First time that I listen to Mean Man. 204 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:05.700 Really good music for me. 205 00:19:05.700 --> 00:19:07.220 Nice to meet you. 206 00:19:07.220 --> 00:19:08.860 Czech Republic, Prague! 207 00:19:11.180 --> 00:19:12.740 You deserve a kiss! 208 00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:14.660 Oh thank you! 209 00:19:14.660 --> 00:19:17.820 My husband thinks that he's the best guitar player ever. 210 00:19:19.020 --> 00:19:21.820 Rock n' roll! 211 00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:34.220 God, I wished my fuckin' amp worked, man. 212 00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:36.860 We're going to change that when we go back, baby. 213 00:19:36.860 --> 00:19:37.940 That was a bummer. 214 00:19:37.940 --> 00:19:39.940 You all made a great show. 215 00:19:41.100 --> 00:19:43.180 Baby, stop, stop, stop! 216 00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:44.940 Chris, people are sleeping! 217 00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:47.060 I know, that's why I do it. 218 00:19:49.780 --> 00:19:53.980 Do you like more to record or playing live? 219 00:19:53.980 --> 00:19:55.100 I like playing live. 220 00:19:55.100 --> 00:19:58.580 If I had a choice it would be playing live. 221 00:19:58.580 --> 00:20:02.500 How does it feel when your own wife is managing you? 222 00:20:03.540 --> 00:20:05.860 I don't trust anybody else. 223 00:20:05.860 --> 00:20:07.740 I never got a penny out of W.A.S.P. 224 00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:10.580 I've been "famous" but... 225 00:20:10.580 --> 00:20:16.740 All my publishing money goes right into somebody's pocket. 226 00:20:16.740 --> 00:20:21.460 I trusted somebody who I shouldn't have trusted. 227 00:20:24.140 --> 00:20:26.380 My name's on the record as a songwriter, 228 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:29.020 but I don't get the money for it. 229 00:20:29.020 --> 00:20:33.100 I saw some fans last night singing the songs that I wrote. 230 00:20:33.100 --> 00:20:34.620 That made me happy. 231 00:20:35.140 --> 00:20:36.860 How do you rest after concerts? 232 00:20:37.340 --> 00:20:38.740 Rest? 233 00:20:38.740 --> 00:20:40.820 Usually I lay parallel... 234 00:20:41.860 --> 00:20:44.660 I'd like to play on top of Mount Everest. 235 00:20:44.660 --> 00:20:46.060 You think you can do it? 236 00:20:46.060 --> 00:20:48.940 I don't know, I always had a dream to walk there, 237 00:20:48.940 --> 00:20:51.060 take acoustic guitar, 238 00:20:51.060 --> 00:20:53.060 play "Yankee Doodle Dandy" or something... 239 00:20:53.060 --> 00:20:56.100 "Kumbaya"... 240 00:20:56.580 --> 00:20:59.020 Getting there and play "Fuck Like a Beast"... 241 00:21:06.820 --> 00:21:08.580 That's my beard. 242 00:21:09.540 --> 00:21:12.700 This is what happens when you don't shave. 243 00:21:38.340 --> 00:21:43.540 I miss the part of when I traveled on the bus, 244 00:21:43.540 --> 00:21:47.180 and I didn't have to worry about my instruments, or guitars, or anything. 245 00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:49.780 I'd walk in the soundcheck, play a few notes, 246 00:21:49.780 --> 00:21:53.340 give the roadies the guitar, then come out and play. Just had to take care of myself. 247 00:21:53.340 --> 00:21:58.500 Since I'm starting out again, I've got to worry about my stuff. 248 00:21:58.500 --> 00:22:02.300 It's a little harder, but I like to play, you know. 249 00:22:02.300 --> 00:22:04.060 Is that everything? 250 00:22:05.180 --> 00:22:09.740 A lot of people from the 80s are not playing anymore. 251 00:22:09.740 --> 00:22:15.460 One good think, I can still walk, I'm kind of in good health, I guess. 252 00:22:27.580 --> 00:22:30.460 Can I just look at the engine? 253 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:33.940 I wanna see the engine. I'm from America. 254 00:22:33.940 --> 00:22:36.540 I'm from America, I'm just kind of curious. 255 00:22:36.540 --> 00:22:39.620 - What's this? - The air... 256 00:22:40.380 --> 00:22:42.980 Hot and cold. 257 00:22:42.980 --> 00:22:44.980 It's got a turbocharger on it. 258 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:49.780 - What kind of car is that? - Germany car. 259 00:22:49.780 --> 00:22:55.140 - What year? - Trabant 1968. 260 00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:57.260 It's cool. Thanks for showing me that. 261 00:22:57.260 --> 00:22:59.580 Big motorcycle. 262 00:23:02.020 --> 00:23:04.540 Thanks for showing me that, I appreciate it. 263 00:23:04.540 --> 00:23:06.860 I'd never seen a car like that in my life. 264 00:23:06.860 --> 00:23:08.660 Man, a two-stroke! 265 00:23:27.620 --> 00:23:29.340 Chris Holmes was a character. 266 00:23:29.340 --> 00:23:35.380 line:5% Everybody in L.A. that was into hard-rock and metal knew of Chris Holmes. 267 00:23:35.380 --> 00:23:39.140 He was really an icon in the L.A. hard-rock and metal scene. 268 00:23:39.140 --> 00:23:41.340 I remember actually the photo shoot, 269 00:23:41.340 --> 00:23:45.420 when Chris was sitting on that chopper frame. 270 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:49.500 He had a barrel, a beer and a cigar. We were wasted that day. 271 00:23:50.980 --> 00:23:54.060 That was at Neil Zlozower's studio in Hollywood. 272 00:23:54.060 --> 00:23:56.940 Me and Chris were outside with the homeless street people, drinking and shit. 273 00:23:57.860 --> 00:24:01.980 Blackie was pissed off inside because we were out there getting drunk 274 00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:04.660 outside in Hollywood... That's a true story. 275 00:24:12.100 --> 00:24:14.380 Get the fuck out. 276 00:24:14.380 --> 00:24:16.620 Excuse me man, these guys make me crazy. 277 00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:23.180 We got a record deal within a year. 278 00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:25.900 We got one within nine months. 279 00:24:25.900 --> 00:24:31.340 With Rod Smallwood at Capitol Records, that's how we hit the big time. 280 00:24:31.340 --> 00:24:34.940 I was just happy making money on playing music. 281 00:24:34.940 --> 00:24:37.660 I started off with 125$ a week, 282 00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:39.940 that was great. 283 00:24:39.940 --> 00:24:41.900 Before that, I wasn't making nothing. 284 00:24:41.900 --> 00:24:47.780 If I would have understood how the publishing and all that shit worked then, 285 00:24:47.780 --> 00:24:51.620 Blackie and I would have went head to head and I wouldn't have been in the band that long. 286 00:24:51.620 --> 00:24:54.260 He would have fired me real quick. 287 00:24:54.820 --> 00:24:57.820 Sure, everybody wants to be successful. 288 00:24:57.820 --> 00:25:01.300 I wanted to play hard-rock. Do what Jimi Hendrix did. 289 00:25:01.300 --> 00:25:07.420 To get to that level, there's a lot of business crap you've got to take care of. 290 00:25:07.420 --> 00:25:13.180 Everyday photo sessions, this and that... just for the business... 291 00:25:13.180 --> 00:25:16.580 We signed with Rod Smallwood, 292 00:25:16.580 --> 00:25:20.900 they were like a bank, so at that point we had all the money we needed 293 00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:25.140 to get the band off the road, you know. 294 00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:27.660 In the beginning, it was all for one, one for all. 295 00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.940 Everybody puttin' in what they did. 296 00:25:30.940 --> 00:25:36.340 After the first record, Blackie wanted it just to be him. 297 00:25:36.340 --> 00:25:38.540 He didn't want the other guys in the band. 298 00:25:38.540 --> 00:25:40.860 Look at the records: should I say anymore? 299 00:25:40.860 --> 00:25:45.140 Who's on the cover of the second one? Who's on the cover of the third one? 300 00:25:45.140 --> 00:25:48.740 He didn't want it to be a band after the first album, 301 00:25:48.740 --> 00:25:51.220 he just wanted it to be the Blackie Lawless project. 302 00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:53.300 After that I really didn't give a shit about it. 303 00:25:55.100 --> 00:25:58.140 - When you were a little kid, did you want to be a rock star? - Yes I did. 304 00:25:58.140 --> 00:25:59.780 Definitely. 305 00:25:59.780 --> 00:26:01.940 But she wouldn't let me... 306 00:26:03.060 --> 00:26:07.860 Hello mom, can I take a rock guitar? She says, well... 307 00:26:07.860 --> 00:26:13.740 No you can't, 'cause you'll turn into those drug infested rockstars. 308 00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:18.780 - Do you consider yourself... - A piece of crap. 309 00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:20.660 Why ? 310 00:26:20.660 --> 00:26:24.900 Well, because I work the job... and I'm a piece of crap. 311 00:26:28.660 --> 00:26:30.860 What do you think you're gonna be doing ten years from now? 312 00:26:30.860 --> 00:26:34.140 I'll probably be dead. You'll come and see me in my graveyard. 313 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:41.180 Do you think this kind of rock n' roll lifestyle is hard on you and maybe that's why you drink? 314 00:26:41.180 --> 00:26:44.380 I'm a full-blown alcoholic, 315 00:26:44.380 --> 00:26:47.860 and I drink because... look... 316 00:26:52.260 --> 00:26:57.260 He's gonna be remembered for that for the rest of his life, at some point. 317 00:26:57.260 --> 00:26:59.380 Somebody will bring it up again. 318 00:26:59.380 --> 00:27:03.300 But that's rock n' roll...! 319 00:27:06.340 --> 00:27:11.860 I think I had the same reaction as everybody. I mean, it was sad. 320 00:27:11.860 --> 00:27:15.940 I always wondered how much of it was real. 321 00:27:16.780 --> 00:27:20.260 Over the years, I've had that conversation with him several times: 322 00:27:20.260 --> 00:27:23.020 depending on what his mood is, he gives me a different answer. 323 00:27:23.020 --> 00:27:25.860 That was vodka, that was real. 324 00:27:25.860 --> 00:27:28.580 That thing about me and Chris, we never... 325 00:27:28.580 --> 00:27:32.900 These guys, they put ice-tea and people think they're drinking Jack Daniel's on stage... 326 00:27:34.460 --> 00:27:36.380 It was water, for Christ's sake! 327 00:27:36.380 --> 00:27:40.260 Chris is not gonna pour a whole bottle of vodka over his head. 328 00:27:40.260 --> 00:27:41.780 That's a waste of vodka. 329 00:27:41.780 --> 00:27:45.420 When I did "The Decline", Blackie was flaming pissed. 330 00:27:46.660 --> 00:27:48.340 He flipped out. 331 00:27:48.340 --> 00:27:52.300 But I had already done it behind his back, I didn't really care at that point. 332 00:27:52.300 --> 00:27:55.580 Penelope called him and wanted him to do it. 333 00:27:55.580 --> 00:27:59.580 But he wanted budget to do this and that... 334 00:27:59.580 --> 00:28:02.540 She didn't have the budget for it, so she asked me to do an interview. 335 00:28:02.540 --> 00:28:06.620 To me, it was just a stupid interview... 336 00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:15.900 Chris is a natural rolled out of bed rock star. 337 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:17.940 Blackie Lawless is Steven Duren 338 00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:21.060 that turns into Blackie Lawless and then turns back into Steven Duren. 339 00:28:21.060 --> 00:28:23.660 Chris Holmes is Chris Holmes the whole fuckin' time. 340 00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:28.180 The only way I can explain it is: 341 00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:30.820 here is the bus, it goes down the highway, 342 00:28:30.820 --> 00:28:32.660 the bus stops at the show, 343 00:28:32.660 --> 00:28:35.540 Steven Duren gets off the bus, 344 00:28:35.540 --> 00:28:38.340 goes in, puts on Blackie Lawless, 345 00:28:38.340 --> 00:28:41.180 does the Blackie Lawless show, 346 00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:44.180 gets off-stage, takes off Blackie Lawless, 347 00:28:44.180 --> 00:28:47.300 walks out the dressing room: Steven Duren, then he gets on the bus. 348 00:28:47.300 --> 00:28:51.180 Blackie doesn't love interacting with people, 349 00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:53.780 that's why he doesn't do the fan thing that much. 350 00:28:53.780 --> 00:28:55.020 Holmes loves people. 351 00:28:55.020 --> 00:28:57.780 There's this whole line of kids. 352 00:29:00.060 --> 00:29:03.060 Chris comes up to the bus. 353 00:29:04.300 --> 00:29:07.780 The kids go "Hey, can we get your autograph?" He's like "Absolutely!" 354 00:29:07.780 --> 00:29:12.500 He goes on the bus and Blackie Lawless rips him one, dude... 355 00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:16.020 "Don't ever do that. Don't ever go for the kids and do that. 356 00:29:16.020 --> 00:29:18.060 You're wasting our time..." 357 00:29:18.060 --> 00:29:20.900 He's like: "What? They're all fans." 358 00:29:20.900 --> 00:29:22.980 He used to hold Chris back. 359 00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:26.460 On stage you can't hold Chris back. He's gonna be Chris on stage. 360 00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:29.060 That means jumping, that means spinning, 361 00:29:29.060 --> 00:29:31.940 skipping, everything...! 362 00:29:31.940 --> 00:29:35.060 But in the studio, Blackie would hold him back: 363 00:29:35.060 --> 00:29:40.660 would keep his level down, wouldn't let him play some of the leads he wanted to play... 364 00:29:40.660 --> 00:29:42.460 He was always telling him what to do. 365 00:29:42.460 --> 00:29:43.620 My feeling was always like: 366 00:29:43.620 --> 00:29:47.380 "You hired this guy to play in your band because of a certain sound, 367 00:29:47.380 --> 00:29:50.780 and you don't want him to have that certain sound?" That's ridiculous. 368 00:29:56.820 --> 00:29:59.100 Here we are in beautiful Paris. 369 00:29:59.100 --> 00:30:02.940 As you see, this is a house of worship up here. 370 00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:06.260 It's called Pierre-Versailles, whatever... 371 00:30:06.260 --> 00:30:07.940 And if you look over here, 372 00:30:07.940 --> 00:30:11.380 there's the most famous icon in the world, right here. 373 00:30:11.380 --> 00:30:13.340 Some guy named Eiffel built it. 374 00:30:13.340 --> 00:30:18.660 I don't know if that's his first name or his last name, but it's a big famous icon. 375 00:30:24.980 --> 00:30:27.180 You can't touch, baby. 376 00:30:28.220 --> 00:30:29.820 Superman! 377 00:30:35.820 --> 00:30:38.540 An angel... 378 00:30:44.420 --> 00:30:46.060 That painting ain't shit. 379 00:30:46.060 --> 00:30:47.860 Cupcake! 380 00:30:57.700 --> 00:30:58.940 Cupcake! 381 00:30:58.940 --> 00:31:00.620 I love you! 382 00:31:00.620 --> 00:31:02.540 We're gonna get high! 383 00:31:03.260 --> 00:31:05.660 Wow, that's a view. 384 00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:28.540 line:5% Nice to meet you. 385 00:31:28.540 --> 00:31:31.260 - My lady... - Thank you. 386 00:31:31.260 --> 00:31:34.340 - My name is Pierre. - What's up Pierre? 387 00:31:34.340 --> 00:31:36.540 I"m very impressed. 388 00:31:37.340 --> 00:31:39.420 What do you feed the cat with? 389 00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:42.580 It's my cat. His name is Miu. 390 00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:48.420 The cat's huge. It's the biggest cat I've ever seen! 391 00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:51.740 And these are all the people I have photographed. 392 00:31:51.740 --> 00:31:54.660 Famous French actors... 393 00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:57.940 You know the light? It's a movie light. 394 00:31:57.940 --> 00:32:01.380 Like the light in the movies in 1930. 395 00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:06.980 You have one, two, three, four, five lights for you. 396 00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:10.340 line:5% Get ready... Great! 397 00:32:13.100 --> 00:32:17.340 - This is the gold light... - That's a reflector light. 398 00:32:17.340 --> 00:32:19.420 Look! 399 00:32:19.420 --> 00:32:21.620 You are the Lord of the Rings. 400 00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:25.540 line:5% Up! Up! 401 00:32:25.540 --> 00:32:30.180 line:5% Beautiful. One, two, three... 402 00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:34.380 line:5% Very nice, my dear. Wait! 403 00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:36.900 Yes, yes. 404 00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:40.580 line:5% Got it! 405 00:32:40.580 --> 00:32:44.060 line:5% I'm very impressed. He has a unique presence. 406 00:32:44.060 --> 00:32:46.780 line:5% He doesn't confide easily. 407 00:32:46.780 --> 00:32:50.340 line:5% He has a great future ahead. 408 00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:55.260 line:5% He has a real presence, it only takes four shots. 409 00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:34.140 I remember meeting each other at the NAMM show. 410 00:33:36.260 --> 00:33:38.500 line:5% Chris Holmes comes walking. 411 00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:42.660 line:5% Doesn't matter the size of the room, the room got really small. 412 00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:45.860 When Chris is in the room, there's no space left. 413 00:33:50.100 --> 00:33:56.020 One thing about Chris is he got along with all others musicians and bands. 414 00:33:56.020 --> 00:33:59.460 There was only one one musician and one band, and that was Blackie Lawless, 415 00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:02.500 that he didn't get along with very well. Otherwise he gets along with everybody. 416 00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:05.660 line:5% We all loved Chris and he was just great to have around. 417 00:34:05.660 --> 00:34:09.060 line:5% I think he actually hung out with us a lot more than he hung out with his own band. 418 00:34:09.060 --> 00:34:12.940 In 1985-86, I was doing security for Black Sabbath, 419 00:34:12.940 --> 00:34:19.180 Chris kept showing up at Tony Iommi's door at 3 or 4 in the morning. 420 00:34:19.180 --> 00:34:23.220 "Come on Tony, let's go party!" I had to go out, because Tony was my guy. 421 00:34:23.220 --> 00:34:28.060 I finally told Chris: "You have to stop coming in the room at 3 or 4 in the morning. 422 00:34:28.060 --> 00:34:31.020 You're killing me. I need to sleep at some point." 423 00:34:31.020 --> 00:34:33.700 "Fuck off! I don't care!" 424 00:34:33.700 --> 00:34:36.300 That's the sound Chris was always after. 425 00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:38.780 He wanted to get Tony Iommi's sound. 426 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:41.660 Funny thing is, he met Tony Iommi on a tour, 427 00:34:41.660 --> 00:34:45.860 Tony Iommi said "I've been trying to get your sound for the last ten years." 428 00:34:47.020 --> 00:34:51.060 Basically one of his guitar gods, to say "I love your sound", 429 00:34:51.060 --> 00:34:52.900 that's pretty unusual. 430 00:34:54.300 --> 00:34:57.420 He's my idol, he's great. 431 00:34:57.940 --> 00:35:01.140 I did lots of chemicals with him, and drank... 432 00:35:01.140 --> 00:35:04.860 It was great touring with him, that was 30 years ago... 433 00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:06.500 We were touring with Maiden, 434 00:35:06.500 --> 00:35:10.580 we climbed up in the truss, above the stage, Maiden was on stage. 435 00:35:10.580 --> 00:35:15.140 We were above Nicko yelling down: "Fuck you! Nicko you suck, man!" 436 00:35:16.780 --> 00:35:19.900 He's looking up and he's going like this. 437 00:35:19.900 --> 00:35:22.660 Anyway, they were between songs, 438 00:35:22.660 --> 00:35:25.540 and Bruce was in front of the stage talking to the audience. 439 00:35:25.540 --> 00:35:28.500 Chris took this apple and let it go, 440 00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:31.660 and it hit Nicko in his face. 441 00:35:34.140 --> 00:35:36.140 It's just a funny story, nobody know what goes on. 442 00:35:36.140 --> 00:35:39.060 He hit him in face. "I'll kill you motherfucker!" 443 00:35:39.060 --> 00:35:42.540 When it's time to turn on the Chris Holmes button, 444 00:35:42.540 --> 00:35:45.820 then he turns it on and it's overdrive, it's way over the top. 445 00:35:45.820 --> 00:35:50.380 We were playing in Lisbon in Portugal and we had a day off. 446 00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:52.180 Everyone knew that W.A.S.P. was in town. 447 00:35:52.180 --> 00:35:56.820 Every bar that me and Chris went to, we had free drinks, free food... 448 00:35:56.820 --> 00:36:00.540 We wound back at the hotel, I remember crawling on the grass... 449 00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:30.180 When I first met Chris, he was kind of a shy surfer-looking guy with long blond hair, 450 00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:34.260 committed to playing guitar, that's all he cared about. 451 00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:37.860 As you get out into the world and discover alcohol, 452 00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:42.700 and other things that everybody seemed to be doing back at that time period, 453 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.460 it's easy to fall into that trap. 454 00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:50.020 I'd just go out to the clubs, get drunk and piss people off. 455 00:36:50.020 --> 00:36:52.540 I'd play rock star or whatever... 456 00:36:52.540 --> 00:36:56.460 I always thought he'd never make it past 30. 457 00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:06.620 I met Lita Ford at the Cathouse. 458 00:37:06.620 --> 00:37:11.180 She was doing the album "Close My Eyes Forever". 459 00:37:11.180 --> 00:37:14.780 She was kind of big, I was big at the same time, we hooked up... 460 00:37:14.780 --> 00:37:18.020 She tried to get me to stop drinking, but I wouldn't stop drinking. 461 00:37:18.020 --> 00:37:21.500 I wasn't surprised or impressed, I was happy for him. 462 00:37:21.500 --> 00:37:26.500 I think it was an important part of his life as far as him maturing as a guitar player. 463 00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:29.220 That was a big time in his life. 464 00:37:29.220 --> 00:37:33.460 That was the first that he bought a house that he could call his. 465 00:37:33.460 --> 00:37:36.620 I used to see them together: they got along well, they both drank... 466 00:37:36.620 --> 00:37:38.340 They both had a great time. 467 00:37:38.340 --> 00:37:42.860 line:5% She was too music, and he was music. 468 00:37:42.860 --> 00:37:49.740 line:5% You can't deal with one going on tour, the other one's home, the other goes on tour... 469 00:37:49.740 --> 00:37:52.500 You just can't have a couple. 470 00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:56.460 line:5% From North America, with their spectacular heavy sound, 471 00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:58.500 line:5% here is W.A.S.P.! 472 00:38:22.700 --> 00:38:28.020 It's sad to change band members so many times in W.A.S.P. 473 00:38:28.020 --> 00:38:30.020 People don't like seeing that. 474 00:38:30.020 --> 00:38:33.420 What made the band eventually killed it. 475 00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:35.540 An ego. 476 00:38:35.540 --> 00:38:37.580 You've ever seen me in a guitar magazine? 477 00:38:37.580 --> 00:38:41.340 I've never been on a guitar magazine in my life, not one. 478 00:38:41.340 --> 00:38:45.860 Blackie decides who's gonna do interviews: he would never let me do them, 479 00:38:45.860 --> 00:38:47.460 because I'd get more press. 480 00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:53.580 My personality kept me from doing most of the interviews. 481 00:39:14.940 --> 00:39:16.500 I knew Chris was angry. 482 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:21.060 Chris holds it in and pretty soon Chris is gonna explode. 483 00:39:21.060 --> 00:39:22.500 That's the way he is. 484 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:26.700 Blackie, I knew, was gonna do more and more to put him down. 485 00:39:26.700 --> 00:39:29.180 He wanted it to be the Blackie Lawless show. 486 00:39:29.180 --> 00:39:33.300 He kept Chris in the background as much as he could, 487 00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:35.260 with interviews, 488 00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:40.300 with how much he'd allow him to turn up in the studio, different little things... 489 00:39:40.940 --> 00:39:43.740 He didn't like to share the spotlight. 490 00:39:43.740 --> 00:39:49.540 I left W.A.S.P. in 1991. 491 00:39:49.540 --> 00:39:55.780 I just couldn't take Blackie's bullshit of just him, him, him and the band. 492 00:39:57.540 --> 00:40:00.860 Some things were lied to me about. 493 00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:06.460 I just didn't want to take it, it got to the point where I wanted nothing to do with W.A.S.P. 494 00:40:07.220 --> 00:40:09.340 I go with he quit. 495 00:40:09.340 --> 00:40:14.380 He got dragged through the mud for too many years. He finally went: "I'm done". 496 00:40:14.380 --> 00:40:20.780 When Lita kicked him out, she dropped him off on my porch with a couple of suitcases. 497 00:40:20.780 --> 00:40:23.620 I opened the door and said "Here's your spot to sleep", 498 00:40:23.620 --> 00:40:27.580 and we were digging our chains together. 499 00:40:27.580 --> 00:40:31.380 None of us could work, he was an all about no jobs. 500 00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:35.500 We all had to quit our jobs: "How we're gonna live?" And we did... 501 00:40:53.180 --> 00:40:57.660 I ran into the singer Johnny Severe through a friend who knew him. 502 00:40:57.660 --> 00:41:00.580 He came up and we decided to do a band. 503 00:41:00.580 --> 00:41:02.340 We found Chris Olson, 504 00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:07.260 and Mike Kortz played bass. 505 00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:10.460 He wanted all the members to be born and raised in Southern California. 506 00:41:10.460 --> 00:41:12.740 Don't know why. 507 00:41:12.740 --> 00:41:15.940 I guess he thought we all fought the same. 508 00:41:15.940 --> 00:41:19.020 Psycho Squad was an interesting band. 509 00:41:19.020 --> 00:41:24.660 I think the band was founded on the promise of how much can you drink and still play. 510 00:41:25.540 --> 00:41:27.940 They used to get pretty well lit-up. 511 00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:44.620 It was enjoyable doing music that I wrote. 512 00:41:44.620 --> 00:41:47.740 I could write the whole thing and not have to worry about somebody 513 00:41:47.740 --> 00:41:51.180 saying "no that's not good". 514 00:41:51.180 --> 00:41:55.380 Somebody else taking all the credits for what you're doing... 515 00:41:55.380 --> 00:41:59.580 When we put Psycho Squad together, we got endorsed by everybody. 516 00:41:59.580 --> 00:42:02.060 We got us endorsed by Art to the Bone. 517 00:42:02.060 --> 00:42:06.860 And pretty soon Chris is getting tattooed... 518 00:42:06.860 --> 00:42:11.660 I think he's got flames and skulls on his fingers, 519 00:42:11.660 --> 00:42:16.660 a big skeleton in his back with a knife shoved in his back: 520 00:42:16.660 --> 00:42:19.060 "Go ahead, everybody else has". 521 00:42:19.060 --> 00:42:21.340 I think I do know what the meaning of that was. 522 00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:23.980 I think it was Blackie, you know. 523 00:42:23.980 --> 00:42:26.300 Johnny was a good guy. 524 00:42:26.860 --> 00:42:28.660 He drank a lot. 525 00:42:28.660 --> 00:42:31.140 He was a great lyricist. 526 00:42:31.140 --> 00:42:33.340 He's the one who opened my eyes... 527 00:42:33.340 --> 00:42:36.780 Before him I never listened to lyrics that much, 528 00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:41.220 even in W.A.S.P. I never really cared what Blackie talked about. 529 00:42:41.220 --> 00:42:43.860 Psycho Squad, we didn't do no theatrics. 530 00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:46.380 We just went in and kicked you in the teeth. 531 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:50.460 Our opening song: "Thrash the Place", 'cause that's how we felt. 532 00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:54.860 That time, grunge had just happened. 533 00:42:54.860 --> 00:42:57.700 Nirvana hit it real big. 534 00:42:57.700 --> 00:43:00.940 Nirvana killed the hair bands, 535 00:43:01.260 --> 00:43:03.660 Psycho Squad broke up. 536 00:43:03.660 --> 00:43:08.540 I was just tired, I thought "You know what, this is bullshit, I'm outta here". 537 00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:12.060 For us to get a record deal was almost obsolete. 538 00:43:12.060 --> 00:43:14.100 We still tried but couldn't. 539 00:43:14.580 --> 00:43:17.740 I think we played together for about a year and a half. 540 00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:31.780 Chris Olson just called me about a month ago, 541 00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:36.140 he said that they found Johnny, the singer, dead in his house. 542 00:43:36.580 --> 00:43:42.340 His front door was opened, he was laying in the living-room, frozen... 543 00:43:42.340 --> 00:43:44.420 Like Bon Scott. 544 00:43:44.420 --> 00:43:48.140 He liked to drink, so he's probably gotten too drunk and passed out. 545 00:43:48.140 --> 00:43:50.860 He left his door opened and froze... 546 00:44:07.180 --> 00:44:09.380 line:5% One, two, test. 547 00:44:09.380 --> 00:44:10.820 line:5% Zabou, can you hear me? 548 00:44:42.060 --> 00:44:44.180 Here, you should put it on. 549 00:44:49.340 --> 00:44:50.980 Hey, Sarah! 550 00:44:50.980 --> 00:44:53.260 Sarah, take a picture. 551 00:44:57.140 --> 00:45:00.060 He's gonna play a song with us. 552 00:45:00.460 --> 00:45:01.740 Good. 553 00:45:02.060 --> 00:45:04.180 You can turn your amp on 10! 554 00:46:16.820 --> 00:46:21.580 He built his first guitar with a friend of his named Gary Presley. 555 00:46:21.580 --> 00:46:23.740 They did it in woodshop class, 556 00:46:23.740 --> 00:46:27.260 built the body, they did the neck and everything themselves... 557 00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:29.980 The wiring, the electronics, 558 00:46:29.980 --> 00:46:32.300 wiring coils up with more wire, 559 00:46:32.300 --> 00:46:35.140 so you get a higher magnetic field, you get more distortion. 560 00:46:35.540 --> 00:46:40.620 Chris discovered a lot of things about what you can do to a guitar to make it sound different. 561 00:46:40.620 --> 00:46:44.540 A Fender Jazzmaster, that was my first real guitar. 562 00:46:44.540 --> 00:46:48.300 I got it for 80 bucks from a guy down the street. 563 00:46:48.300 --> 00:46:51.780 How did I find it? Selling drugs... 564 00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:55.180 I was going to school in Pasadena, 565 00:46:55.180 --> 00:46:58.940 my friend John was going to school in La Cañada with Chris. 566 00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:01.100 Chris had put a band together. 567 00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:03.740 He was looking to get a singer, 568 00:47:03.740 --> 00:47:08.340 and I was ready to say "I'll be a rockstar, no problem". 569 00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:11.220 I didn't know how to sing. 570 00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:14.660 That was a band called Slave. 571 00:47:14.660 --> 00:47:17.260 I think I was 17 there. 572 00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:20.260 1976 or 1977. 573 00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:23.140 That's a long time ago... 574 00:47:23.140 --> 00:47:25.980 Look how skinny I was. 575 00:47:27.380 --> 00:47:29.980 I was like a toothpick. 576 00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:35.980 The first time I saw him play was actually at Crescenta Valley High School. 577 00:47:35.980 --> 00:47:40.260 They had something called a quad, it was an outdoor sort of amphitheatre. 578 00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:42.060 I couldn't take my eyes off of him. 579 00:47:42.060 --> 00:47:45.980 I was thinking: "This guy's a really good guitar player, 580 00:47:46.740 --> 00:47:49.620 He's got stage presence and he has energy". 581 00:47:49.620 --> 00:47:53.380 line:5% We were all playing high-schools, american legion halls, 582 00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:56.580 line:5% backyard parties, kegger parties... 583 00:47:56.580 --> 00:48:01.820 This was the era when people started getting one or two kegs of beer, 584 00:48:01.820 --> 00:48:04.060 charging a dollar at the gate, 585 00:48:04.060 --> 00:48:07.420 and getting 300/400 kids in the backyard with a band. 586 00:48:07.420 --> 00:48:09.660 We'd make our own light system: 587 00:48:09.660 --> 00:48:12.300 we'd make a big box and throw some colored lights in there, 588 00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:15.740 set them on the amps, and that's how we'd get our light show. 589 00:48:15.740 --> 00:48:18.500 Here's a great shot of Chris with his Destroyer. 590 00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:20.620 That must have been his first tattoo. 591 00:48:20.620 --> 00:48:23.820 That's Sister, when I met Blackie. 592 00:48:23.820 --> 00:48:26.060 I met the drummer first, then I met Blackie. 593 00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:29.780 I was 20 so it had to be 1977. 594 00:48:29.780 --> 00:48:35.860 I thought: "Oh my gosh, this team of Blackie and Chris is a really really good one. 595 00:48:35.860 --> 00:48:39.500 These two will probably be a really good duo. 596 00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:41.820 With their height, their craziness, 597 00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:44.260 their wildness, their musicianship, everything. 598 00:48:44.260 --> 00:48:46.020 There was just someting there. 599 00:48:46.180 --> 00:48:50.940 Blackie was just a slave driver, I didn't like the way he was. 600 00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:54.140 I couldn't wait to get out of the situation. 601 00:48:54.140 --> 00:48:56.540 when it was ok for me to leave, I left. 602 00:48:56.540 --> 00:49:02.340 After that, I played with a band called Buster Savage. 603 00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:04.940 I'll never forget: I saw Buster Savage at the Starwood, 604 00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:12.540 line:5% Chris Holmes came out, with a baseball cap on, wearing aviators, 605 00:49:12.540 --> 00:49:14.500 he's got like a dust mask on. 606 00:49:14.500 --> 00:49:16.780 They're playing the first song and he's totally grooving. 607 00:49:16.780 --> 00:49:18.660 Comes up to the solo section, 608 00:49:18.660 --> 00:49:20.500 and then he just whips off the hat, 609 00:49:20.500 --> 00:49:26.140 and all this long-ass hair one length comes out! 610 00:49:27.180 --> 00:49:29.180 He starts rippin' on this solo. 611 00:49:29.180 --> 00:49:34.420 I'm like 15... "What the fuck is this!" 612 00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:39.300 I got in trouble drinking and driving and I had to go to jail at Cerwin Vega. 613 00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:41.940 they laid me out so I could collect unemployment jail. 614 00:49:41.940 --> 00:49:47.180 The day I got out, my sister goes: "This guy named Blackie called. 615 00:49:47.260 --> 00:49:49.940 Here's his number." 616 00:49:50.380 --> 00:49:53.380 I didn't talk to Blackie for years. 617 00:49:53.380 --> 00:49:58.140 I called him, he said he needed to talk to me. He had the idea of W.A.S.P. 618 00:49:58.140 --> 00:50:00.260 That was about 1981. 619 00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:04.540 I kind of didn't want to play with the guy then, 620 00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.620 but he promised a record deal. 621 00:50:07.620 --> 00:50:11.060 I said "Yeah I'll play with him for a year", 622 00:50:11.060 --> 00:50:13.100 and we got a deal. 623 00:50:22.100 --> 00:50:24.420 Here we are in Stockholm. 624 00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:25.980 That's me. 625 00:50:37.140 --> 00:50:39.740 Sweden! 626 00:50:54.140 --> 00:50:59.940 French guy, right? French coffee... 627 00:51:00.460 --> 00:51:04.060 Chris, American. American cup. 628 00:51:39.460 --> 00:51:43.980 Welcome back to Headbangers' Ball, it's our Valentine's Day Massacre, 629 00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:47.860 it's actually gonna turn into a bloody Valentine right now, 630 00:51:47.860 --> 00:51:51.300 'cause I gotta say to you: "Kill Fuck Die". 631 00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:54.380 I'm not being rude: that is the title of the new W.A.S.P. album, 632 00:51:54.380 --> 00:51:56.380 out on the 24th March. 633 00:51:56.380 --> 00:52:00.540 As you can see, Blackie and Chris are joining me here at Rock City in Nottingham. 634 00:52:00.540 --> 00:52:04.580 May I say that you look absolutely fantastic, it's great to have you back on the show. 635 00:52:04.580 --> 00:52:09.420 So welcome, just to start off, you've been playing some shows in Europe, 636 00:52:09.420 --> 00:52:11.820 How have things been going? 637 00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:16.740 We're doing a seven show pep rally, effectively, it's what it boils down to. 638 00:52:16.740 --> 00:52:19.660 Because as you mention, the album's out on March 24, 639 00:52:19.660 --> 00:52:24.460 and Chris and I have not played together in public for 7 years. 640 00:52:24.460 --> 00:52:27.020 We decided to come and give everybody a teaser 641 00:52:27.020 --> 00:52:29.060 before we do the real tour in the next couple of months. 642 00:52:29.060 --> 00:52:31.220 You're certainly creating a buzz, 643 00:52:31.220 --> 00:52:35.260 everybody is talking about the W.A.S.P. show which I guess is exactly what you want. 644 00:52:36.020 --> 00:52:39.900 I've created a buzz all the time. 645 00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:43.020 I've lived in Hollywood, 646 00:52:43.020 --> 00:52:48.260 got stuck in the Hollywood drug-grunge scene just living there... 647 00:52:49.100 --> 00:52:52.620 Then I had a chance to go to Wyoming for a while. 648 00:52:52.620 --> 00:52:56.060 My sister's ranch, I went up there. 649 00:52:56.060 --> 00:53:00.940 Russell Wallace called me and said' "Hey Chris, Blackie wants to talk to you." 650 00:53:01.580 --> 00:53:05.300 That's the last thing I'd ever thought I was gonna hear about. 651 00:53:05.300 --> 00:53:07.540 He gave me his number, I called him up. 652 00:53:07.540 --> 00:53:10.300 I go: "Yeah, what's the deal?" 653 00:53:10.300 --> 00:53:13.380 He goes: "I want to know if you wanna go on tour again." 654 00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:16.060 I go: "That was the last thing on my mind. 655 00:53:16.060 --> 00:53:18.940 If you wanna know an answer right now, it's no. 656 00:53:18.940 --> 00:53:22.700 - Is there a chance ? - Yeah, let me think about it. 657 00:53:22.700 --> 00:53:24.940 He goes: "Well I give you 'til a week." 658 00:53:24.940 --> 00:53:27.420 I rejoined in 1995. 659 00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:32.100 Blackie needed that, 'cause Blackie kept trying different things, 660 00:53:32.100 --> 00:53:35.740 but when Chris came back, it kind of breathed new life into it. 661 00:53:35.740 --> 00:53:38.980 He kinda covered that up from me for a while. 662 00:53:38.980 --> 00:53:42.780 He'd be playing with them about a year before I saw him again. 663 00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:45.420 "You're not gonna believe it, but I joined W.A.S.P. again..." 664 00:53:45.420 --> 00:53:48.220 I'm like: "Chris, when are you gonna learn?" 665 00:53:57.260 --> 00:54:00.340 line:5% We destroyed our female following with K.F.D. 666 00:54:00.940 --> 00:54:04.380 The cross, the nun, 667 00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:07.580 fucking the nun, pulling out the foetus, 668 00:54:07.580 --> 00:54:12.140 stabbing it on the knife-codpiece and holding it up as if in victory... 669 00:54:12.140 --> 00:54:16.460 It was too dark. Women couldn't relate to it. 670 00:54:30.740 --> 00:54:34.220 The only reason I came back to play music is because I wanted to travel again, 671 00:54:34.220 --> 00:54:35.700 to see Europe and stuff... 672 00:54:35.700 --> 00:54:39.180 If not, I'd have probably never left L.A. 673 00:54:39.180 --> 00:54:42.460 I went back and got my ass kicked a second time. 674 00:54:43.580 --> 00:54:45.540 To get a good ass kicking, 675 00:54:45.540 --> 00:54:48.860 'cause I hadn't get kicked good enough the first time. 676 00:54:49.180 --> 00:54:51.260 Then when he rejoined the band, 677 00:54:51.260 --> 00:54:53.340 Blackie made it specific: 678 00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:56.380 he spent money to get him sober. 679 00:54:56.380 --> 00:54:59.260 It was the best thing for Chris, and if we loved him, 680 00:54:59.260 --> 00:55:03.260 and we wanted to be in the band, then we needed to support his sobriety. 681 00:55:03.260 --> 00:55:05.260 I got a D.U.I. 682 00:55:05.260 --> 00:55:08.100 I was out messing around in the clubs, having fun, 683 00:55:08.100 --> 00:55:11.340 doing the Chris thing and got in trouble drunk again. 684 00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:13.980 It kind of made me quit drinking. 685 00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:17.300 I know they have their differences and all that, 686 00:55:17.300 --> 00:55:21.860 but Blackie very much cared about Chris and spent time and money to help him get sober. 687 00:55:21.860 --> 00:55:25.620 Probably the best thing that ever happened to me 688 00:55:25.620 --> 00:55:28.540 was getting a sixth D.U.I. 689 00:55:28.540 --> 00:55:32.300 If I didn't get that 502, I'd probably be dead now from drinking. 690 00:55:32.300 --> 00:55:34.180 I'd probably drank myself to death. 691 00:55:53.620 --> 00:55:56.020 I didn't play a note on "Unholy Terror". 692 00:55:56.020 --> 00:55:57.700 Listen to the record. 693 00:55:57.700 --> 00:56:00.780 Why do you think he'd put my name on it? So it would sell. 694 00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:04.580 If it didn't have my name on it it wouldn't look like we did songs together. 695 00:56:04.580 --> 00:56:08.020 "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting": I didn't play on that, 696 00:56:08.020 --> 00:56:10.740 and he put my name on it, I got pissed off. 697 00:56:10.740 --> 00:56:12.140 I got mad. 698 00:56:12.140 --> 00:56:17.500 - I thought you'd want your name on it. - I don't want my name on that shitty ass guitar playing. 699 00:56:17.500 --> 00:56:21.380 If I didn't play on it, I don't like lying on things like that. 700 00:56:22.140 --> 00:56:25.660 There was a blow-out, 701 00:56:25.660 --> 00:56:28.980 it happened at my studio. 702 00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:32.740 It was in 2002, Blackie came in with a piece of paper, 703 00:56:32.740 --> 00:56:35.980 and I read it and it was a fan who said: 704 00:56:35.980 --> 00:56:38.980 "I saw W.A.S.P. at Harpo's, which is in Detroit, 705 00:56:38.980 --> 00:56:41.740 I got everyone's autograph, except Blackie's. 706 00:56:41.740 --> 00:56:45.940 Blackie went on the bus, I asked Chris for Blackie's autograph, 707 00:56:45.940 --> 00:56:48.380 Chris said no, he couldn't get it. 708 00:56:48.380 --> 00:56:54.260 I asked why". And the next caption was: "He's a fucking asshole." 709 00:56:54.940 --> 00:56:57.620 Blackie asked me if I said that. 710 00:56:57.620 --> 00:57:00.660 I gave him back the paper and I go: "Yeah, I did say that." 711 00:57:00.660 --> 00:57:03.860 He goes: "I thought we had a better understanding about each other" 712 00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:07.620 I go: "Well, let me explain to you why I said this." 713 00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:10.980 And I explained it to him. 714 00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:15.660 He got up, walked out of the room and said he was jealous. 715 00:57:15.660 --> 00:57:17.780 It was the last time I ever saw him. 716 00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:30.980 We have to go back from the same way. 717 00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:36.340 I just want to sleep. 718 00:57:41.220 --> 00:57:43.740 She's the guest of the place, 719 00:57:43.740 --> 00:57:45.580 but the keys are not working, guys. 720 00:57:45.900 --> 00:57:49.620 line:5% Can you come and get us, we don't know where we are...? 721 00:57:50.420 --> 00:57:51.940 line:5% Holy shit! 722 00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:55.980 line:5% So we drive this way, we turn left at the crossroads, then right? 723 00:57:57.220 --> 00:57:58.260 line:5% Sorry. 724 00:58:38.940 --> 00:58:40.780 Let's pray! 725 00:58:40.780 --> 00:58:44.380 Did you pray for your breakfast? 726 00:58:44.380 --> 00:58:49.020 Both my uncles are mormon. 727 00:58:49.020 --> 00:58:50.900 Their kids are all mormon. 728 00:58:50.900 --> 00:58:53.980 They make you a priest when you're sixteen. 729 00:58:54.340 --> 00:58:57.500 I told them, and they decided not to make me a priest. 730 00:58:57.500 --> 00:58:59.740 My folks were mormon, 731 00:58:59.740 --> 00:59:05.460 so he went to church and everything until he got about 16 or 17. 732 00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:09.660 I hated the mormon 'cause I had to go to church. 733 00:59:10.940 --> 00:59:13.580 Every Sunday: get up at 7 o'clock, 734 00:59:13.580 --> 00:59:17.660 brush my teeth, comb my hair, put on my tie... 735 00:59:17.660 --> 00:59:19.580 go to church all day, I hated it... 736 00:59:20.100 --> 00:59:23.140 I blame the mormons for all my drug use. 737 00:59:23.140 --> 00:59:26.980 The mormon troop had a Boy Scout troop. 738 00:59:26.980 --> 00:59:31.820 From 12 to 16, we'd go down the Grand Canyon, 739 00:59:31.820 --> 00:59:36.180 we'd do lots of drugs, extremely lot of drugs... 740 00:59:37.620 --> 00:59:42.820 Extreme amounts of drugs: usually cocaine and alcohol, 741 00:59:42.820 --> 00:59:44.460 and LSD. 742 00:59:44.460 --> 00:59:47.580 Then he decided he didn't wanna go to church anymore. 743 00:59:47.580 --> 00:59:50.580 If he didn't wanna go, don't push him, I don't care. 744 00:59:50.580 --> 00:59:52.300 It's his life, you know... 745 00:59:53.340 --> 00:59:59.140 Believing in religion is stupid. 746 00:59:59.140 --> 01:00:02.140 I can't believe it, it's stupid. 747 01:00:02.140 --> 01:00:06.180 This is a rock, if it hits my head, blood comes out. 748 01:00:06.180 --> 01:00:09.180 Well, make blood come out, God. 749 01:00:14.860 --> 01:00:16.500 How you doin'? 750 01:00:18.780 --> 01:00:21.380 My friend had a picture of his wife and they divorced, 751 01:00:21.380 --> 01:00:25.220 so he had a shotgun next to her head blowing her head off. 752 01:00:27.700 --> 01:00:29.420 line:5% Fuckin' camera. 753 01:00:31.380 --> 01:00:34.620 line:5% One time, I was going up to Arizona to visit my mom, 754 01:00:34.620 --> 01:00:41.380 line:5% I stopped at the gas station, it's got the fake tattoos, 755 01:00:41.380 --> 01:00:44.060 line:5% and it's got the one you put around your wrist. 756 01:00:44.060 --> 01:00:47.620 line:5% So I buy it and I get to the house about 4 in the morning. 757 01:00:48.460 --> 01:00:54.100 line:5% I go in the bathroom and I put it in water, and I put it on my forehead. 758 01:00:57.860 --> 01:00:58.900 line:5% It dried. 759 01:00:58.900 --> 01:01:03.260 line:5% In the morning, she wakes me up at 10. 760 01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:05.100 line:5% "What the fuck did you do?" 761 01:01:05.100 --> 01:01:06.700 line:5% I'd forgotten and said "What's up?" 762 01:01:06.700 --> 01:01:08.620 line:5% "That tattoo on your head!" 763 01:01:08.620 --> 01:01:10.220 line:5% "Oh, you like it mom?" 764 01:01:10.220 --> 01:01:12.220 line:5% "You fuckin' idiot!" 765 01:01:15.220 --> 01:01:18.020 Now we're talking. That's a man tattoo. 766 01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:19.540 What Mean Man? 767 01:01:19.540 --> 01:01:23.860 I was a huge W.A.S.P. fan when I was a kid. 768 01:01:23.860 --> 01:01:28.140 I still am, so this is huge, definitely. 769 01:01:28.140 --> 01:01:31.580 I snivelled and cried and beat him up and everything else 770 01:01:31.580 --> 01:01:33.980 when he first started getting the tattoos. 771 01:01:33.980 --> 01:01:38.020 Finally, what can you do? You're not with him 24 hours. 772 01:01:38.020 --> 01:01:40.500 I said "Just don't get'em above your neck, 773 01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:44.860 so when you come to my funeral, you can wear a shirt buttoned-up." 774 01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:48.500 My mom had an Hells Angels' jacket made. 775 01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:53.820 I truly believe, if she did not have children, she would have joined the Hells Angels. 776 01:01:53.820 --> 01:01:56.380 Why do you think? 777 01:01:57.460 --> 01:02:00.420 'cause I'm crazy I suppose... 778 01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:18.940 Alright! 779 01:02:53.140 --> 01:02:55.780 My name is Thomas. 780 01:02:55.780 --> 01:03:00.540 I've been a fan since '88, I think, 781 01:03:00.540 --> 01:03:03.860 and I started collecting in '89. 782 01:03:03.860 --> 01:03:08.420 I've got somewhere between 300/400 different records, 783 01:03:08.420 --> 01:03:12.540 CDs and a couple gold records... 784 01:03:12.540 --> 01:03:15.940 I spent a lot of money on W.A.S.P. 785 01:03:15.940 --> 01:03:18.020 I've been a fan now for 25 years, 786 01:03:18.020 --> 01:03:20.940 but it's the first time I get to see Chris Holmes. 787 01:03:35.580 --> 01:03:39.020 Norway! 788 01:03:39.500 --> 01:03:42.500 Enjoy yourself while you can and you're 20! 789 01:03:42.980 --> 01:03:45.740 Thanks for comin', alright! 790 01:03:46.780 --> 01:03:50.100 I just lived in L.A., surviving... 791 01:03:50.100 --> 01:03:54.180 I tried to find groups to play in but nobody would play with me. 792 01:03:54.180 --> 01:03:57.140 I started managing him for a brief period of time. 793 01:03:57.140 --> 01:04:00.540 He was down and out, depressed, 794 01:04:00.540 --> 01:04:02.380 living in a house behind a house. 795 01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:06.380 He did call me and stuff, and never really asked for money or anything. 796 01:04:06.380 --> 01:04:08.060 Just say "How you doin'?" 797 01:04:08.060 --> 01:04:11.940 He'd come over, have a beer, we have a good dinner and stuff, 798 01:04:11.940 --> 01:04:13.140 then he'd be on his way. 799 01:04:13.140 --> 01:04:16.700 He wouldn't ask for help, that's not what he did. 800 01:04:16.700 --> 01:04:20.340 He would get by with the bare minimum. 801 01:04:20.340 --> 01:04:23.980 He wouldn't be happy, but he could survive like that. 802 01:04:23.980 --> 01:04:29.460 He worked doing construction, roofing and concrete work. 803 01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:32.980 I worked shitty jobs in L.A. 804 01:04:32.980 --> 01:04:37.500 I used to work for Hustler, doing the lights for pornos. 805 01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:41.380 It's a job most guys would die for, but it's really boring. 806 01:04:41.380 --> 01:04:43.820 Chris Holmes everybody! 807 01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:56.940 I put together one of the first Hollywood celebrity all-star bands 808 01:04:56.940 --> 01:04:59.580 called the Big Ball Stars, that's some great players in it. 809 01:04:59.580 --> 01:05:02.540 At the time, Chris was hiding out. 810 01:05:02.540 --> 01:05:07.220 line:5% So I said "Why don't you come and play a song with my all-star band?" 811 01:05:07.220 --> 01:05:11.540 "No, no one likes to play with me. I don't get along with anyone..." 812 01:05:11.540 --> 01:05:14.820 He'd been pretty banged up and around the business for a while. 813 01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:17.460 Nobody had seen him play in years: 814 01:05:17.460 --> 01:05:19.780 he played guitar flawlessly 815 01:05:19.780 --> 01:05:23.780 and he jumped around on that stage like a fucking maniac. 816 01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:28.780 But didn't miss a beat, and he just totally dominated the stage. 817 01:05:28.780 --> 01:05:33.340 People were just blown away, it was like: "Holy shit, Chris Holmes is back!" 818 01:05:39.820 --> 01:05:44.980 When he met Sarah, he was at a pretty low point in his life. 819 01:05:44.980 --> 01:05:48.220 I don't think he knew where to go or which directions to take. 820 01:05:48.220 --> 01:05:53.260 She came in and really started to manage his life for him, 821 01:05:53.260 --> 01:05:56.020 which he needed at the time. He needed that support. 822 01:05:56.020 --> 01:05:57.860 I'm a huge Motörhead fan. 823 01:05:57.860 --> 01:06:02.260 One day, Chris told me about the recordings that he had with Philthy. 824 01:06:02.260 --> 01:06:06.780 He had mentioned to me: "I've been working with this guy for a few years, 825 01:06:06.780 --> 01:06:09.660 I think we're ready to mix it, would you be interested?" 826 01:06:09.660 --> 01:06:12.700 I said: "Hell yeah!" 827 01:06:12.700 --> 01:06:15.820 Chris and Philthy! 828 01:06:15.820 --> 01:06:21.260 Out of anybody I've ever met in the music business, and I've met a lot of people, 829 01:06:21.260 --> 01:06:26.700 he's probably the coolest guy I've ever met as being a human being towards other people. 830 01:06:26.700 --> 01:06:30.340 If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have even done the first abum, 831 01:06:30.340 --> 01:06:32.860 'cause it was all done on his computers and stuff. 832 01:06:32.860 --> 01:06:35.900 He actually died, it's sad. 833 01:06:35.900 --> 01:06:38.660 He was ill for a long time. 834 01:06:38.660 --> 01:06:41.380 His liver shut down, 835 01:06:41.380 --> 01:06:44.940 and the last thing I said was... 836 01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:49.460 They came to pick me up in a car, I put my hand on his head and I just said 837 01:06:49.460 --> 01:06:51.980 "Phil, it's probably the last time we'll ever see each other." 838 01:06:51.980 --> 01:06:54.580 He shook his head and said "Yeah, I know", 839 01:06:54.580 --> 01:06:56.980 then he died a few days later. 840 01:07:20.260 --> 01:07:24.580 It was very hard to record the first album, we had no money. 841 01:07:24.580 --> 01:07:29.260 line:5% Everyone thought we were not able to do it. 842 01:07:29.740 --> 01:07:35.300 line:5% Chris said "We need to go to Europe, it's the only place where I can still make it." 843 01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:37.460 I'd had that conversation with Chris. 844 01:07:37.460 --> 01:07:42.260 We talked about L.A., U.S... It's nothing. 845 01:07:42.260 --> 01:07:45.740 Over there, you're a rockstar, over here, you're a has-been. 846 01:07:45.780 --> 01:07:48.940 The opportunities aren't here for you, why don't you go to Europe? 847 01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:53.860 I got rid of everything I had: my car, my dog... 848 01:07:53.860 --> 01:07:57.860 It was everything I'd ever known, I lived there my whole life, you know. 849 01:08:08.260 --> 01:08:11.140 line:5% Tell the camera who won pool! 850 01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:46.180 That was a good mess! 851 01:09:12.860 --> 01:09:15.500 I love you, man! 852 01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:17.580 - Is your mom still alive? - Oh yeah! 853 01:09:17.580 --> 01:09:19.020 I love your mom! 854 01:09:19.020 --> 01:09:20.540 She's still going. 855 01:09:20.540 --> 01:09:22.940 Drinking vodka with your mom and filming... 856 01:09:22.940 --> 01:09:24.500 That was thirty years ago. 857 01:09:28.180 --> 01:09:33.140 I'm so glad I don't drink anymore! 858 01:09:33.980 --> 01:09:35.900 I quit drinking twenty years ago. 859 01:09:36.260 --> 01:09:39.740 - Welcome to Halifax! - Is this Halifax? 860 01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:45.260 Hi, I'm Paul, I'm from Halifax. 861 01:09:45.260 --> 01:09:49.980 I sell fancy dress for Halloween, carnival, that sort of things. 862 01:09:49.980 --> 01:09:54.460 Chris kindly agreed to a personal meet & greet 863 01:09:54.460 --> 01:09:58.460 and jam session with my band. 864 01:09:58.460 --> 01:10:01.340 I grew up listening to W.A.S.P. 865 01:10:01.340 --> 01:10:05.500 from 1985... 866 01:10:05.500 --> 01:10:08.380 Chris inspired me to pick up a guitar and learn to play. 867 01:10:08.380 --> 01:10:12.580 Finally, I have the chance to invite Chris and the band here, 868 01:10:12.580 --> 01:10:17.620 so it's kind of a privilege to be able to do that. 869 01:10:17.620 --> 01:10:19.900 It's Chris Holmes, it's not W.A.S.P. 870 01:10:19.900 --> 01:10:22.020 Chris Holmes was part of that band. 871 01:10:22.020 --> 01:10:24.540 He's singing, he's got his style, 872 01:10:24.540 --> 01:10:26.540 and he sounds great: he's rock n' roll. 873 01:10:26.540 --> 01:10:28.860 Chris, give me a hug, man. 874 01:10:28.860 --> 01:10:31.580 We're going to see him again. 875 01:10:31.580 --> 01:10:34.100 He was the same guy, 27 years ago: 876 01:10:34.100 --> 01:10:37.420 polite, a gentleman, true to his fans, 877 01:10:37.420 --> 01:10:40.180 and he just enjoys playing the guitar. 878 01:10:56.220 --> 01:10:58.380 Oh, Mean Man! 879 01:10:59.340 --> 01:11:01.940 - You're gonna play "Fuck Like a Beast" tonight? - Hell yeah! 880 01:11:01.940 --> 01:11:04.060 Blackie won't play it anymore. 881 01:11:04.060 --> 01:11:07.740 line:5% My first time listening to W.A.S.P. was about when the first L.P. came out. 882 01:11:07.740 --> 01:11:10.820 line:5% In 1984, I saw them at the Lyceum in London, 883 01:11:10.820 --> 01:11:13.060 line:5% it was their first gig there. 884 01:11:13.060 --> 01:11:14.940 line:5% It's my favorite band of all time. 885 01:11:53.140 --> 01:11:56.460 All of my life, 886 01:11:56.460 --> 01:11:59.940 especially when I was young, 887 01:12:00.860 --> 01:12:07.700 I couldn't understand where they all come from. 888 01:12:07.940 --> 01:12:12.020 I spend the last few months in here. 889 01:12:15.660 --> 01:12:19.460 Going to rehearsal with the drums, and bass and everything, 890 01:12:19.460 --> 01:12:22.780 putting up with three other guys, which takes time and money... 891 01:12:22.780 --> 01:12:26.140 It's easier just doing it all here in pre-production. 892 01:12:26.140 --> 01:12:30.580 And I can figure out if I can sing on a song or not. 893 01:12:30.580 --> 01:12:35.020 Ug sits over here. He's my little dog, Ug. 894 01:12:38.340 --> 01:12:41.740 His name's Ug 'cause he's ugly. 895 01:12:44.940 --> 01:12:48.260 I'm lucky I can play guitar, 896 01:12:48.260 --> 01:12:50.140 I can program the drums, 897 01:12:50.140 --> 01:12:52.220 and I can sing and do it all myself. 898 01:12:52.220 --> 01:12:55.460 I don't need anybody sit here and help me do it. 899 01:12:55.460 --> 01:12:59.020 I'm very lucky I've learned all those things. 900 01:13:00.980 --> 01:13:02.860 It's funny! 901 01:13:02.860 --> 01:13:04.980 Chris can live in any place: 902 01:13:04.980 --> 01:13:08.460 live in France, live in America, but he needs to come visit at least. 903 01:13:08.460 --> 01:13:11.580 If he wants to live in France, great, but come visit America, 904 01:13:11.580 --> 01:13:13.060 'cause I know he misses it. 905 01:13:13.060 --> 01:13:16.020 - Do we think he's gonna come back? - We hope he comes back someday. 906 01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:19.060 Hopefully, he'll come through with his band. 907 01:13:19.540 --> 01:13:24.060 My big dream is that he's gonna call me and say "Jim, I'm going to be playing in L.A., 908 01:13:24.060 --> 01:13:26.980 I need you for this day and this day", and I'm gonna say "I'm there". 909 01:13:26.980 --> 01:13:30.180 He told me he'd never come back. I think he's homesick. 910 01:13:30.180 --> 01:13:33.380 I'm pretty sure he's homesick. He wants In-N-Out Burger or something... 911 01:13:33.380 --> 01:13:34.820 He's a wild man, 912 01:13:34.820 --> 01:13:39.660 but inside that guy, you've got a heart of gold, 913 01:13:39.660 --> 01:13:41.980 someone that couldn't be more genuine. 914 01:13:41.980 --> 01:13:45.620 He's a sweet person, got a heart of gold, but he's got the anger and the rebellion, 915 01:13:45.620 --> 01:13:50.100 and he's got the balls, like I do, to say what he thinks and play what he feels. 916 01:13:50.100 --> 01:13:53.860 That's why I love it, man, 'cause he'll tell right to your face: "fuck you!" 917 01:13:53.860 --> 01:13:57.060 He'll tell you right to your face: fuck you! 918 01:14:16.220 --> 01:14:19.380 We're in Cannes, we're in the recording studio, 919 01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:22.100 recording the songs for my E.P. 920 01:14:26.780 --> 01:14:29.940 That means we've got eight tracks of guitar, right? 921 01:14:30.420 --> 01:14:32.060 That's alright. 922 01:14:33.460 --> 01:14:34.780 Barely enough... 923 01:14:35.500 --> 01:14:38.300 I'd put fuckin' 52 if I could. 924 01:14:38.300 --> 01:14:42.420 As you see, we're doing it in a proper studio, 925 01:14:42.420 --> 01:14:47.180 other than the way I've recorded the last previous projects. 926 01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:50.260 Yeah, it should sound good. 927 01:15:04.420 --> 01:15:06.860 Thank you for comin' here! 928 01:15:09.900 --> 01:15:13.860 Everyone, get up for Mr. Chris Holmes!! 929 01:15:15.060 --> 01:15:17.660 I've been doin' it a long time. 930 01:15:17.660 --> 01:15:21.060 Fuck, I'm 61 next month! 931 01:15:40.100 --> 01:15:43.460 Once the energy is gone, I wouldn't play, I'd quit. 932 01:15:43.460 --> 01:15:47.380 That's what I play: it's energy that comes out of the way I play guitar. 933 01:15:47.380 --> 01:15:51.060 If that wasn't there, I'd totally quit playing and do something else. 934 01:15:51.060 --> 01:15:53.700 I'd give it up, but it's still there when I play. 935 01:15:54.020 --> 01:15:57.580 I had a problem with my hand last year. 936 01:15:57.580 --> 01:15:59.860 Something has happened to my elbow, 937 01:15:59.860 --> 01:16:02.580 and my hand's still numb. 938 01:16:02.580 --> 01:16:06.020 I just learned to play with my fingers a different way, it's ok. 939 01:16:06.020 --> 01:16:08.700 That's just the way it is. 940 01:16:08.700 --> 01:16:10.500 My sister, she goes: 941 01:16:10.500 --> 01:16:13.860 "I didn't expect him to live past 30." 942 01:16:13.860 --> 01:16:17.060 Well now I'm 60, and I'm still going. 943 01:16:24.060 --> 01:16:27.260 I'll do my band, my thing, start this and... 944 01:16:28.420 --> 01:16:31.340 if it fails, it fails, and if it doesn't, it doesn't... 945 01:16:33.060 --> 01:16:36.180 I'll make sure it's gonna kick ass on stage. 946 01:16:37.340 --> 01:16:40.300 That's my main thing, that's what I do. 947 01:16:40.300 --> 01:16:43.260 Thank you very much, I love you! 948 01:16:44.340 --> 01:16:46.740 I would say good night, but it's not night: 949 01:16:46.740 --> 01:16:48.540 good day! 950 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.175 That's my last word.