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I'm Bill Bulger,
son of William Bulger,
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the oldest of nine children.
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[James Bulger] James Bulger.
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I was born in 1962, April 26th.
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That makes me, um, 54 right now.
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I'm Mary Hurley,
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daughter of
Bill and Mary Bulger.
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I live across the street
from my parents.
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Now married
and I have seven children.
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My name is Kathleen Bulger Webb.
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I have six sons, one daughter,
six brothers, two sisters.
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I'm very lucky.
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My name is Dan Bulger.
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I'm a Boston native
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and lived almost all my 50
years in South Boston
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and still live there now
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with my three teenaged children.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[William Bulger] Somebody said
loyalty is the holiest good
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in the human heart.
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I think a degree of
loyalty is owed
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to family members,
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and it should not be
thrown aside
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because someone has faltered.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[woman] Whitey alone,
doing what he did,
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would be the father
of books and movies.
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Criminal rises to the top
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by eliminating
his rivals in the Mafia.
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But then you have the brother.
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Billy is studying hard.
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He rises to the top
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of the political world
in Massachusetts.
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To me, the story is fascinating
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because
it's not black and white.
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There's lots of different
complexities to it.
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[Rep. Burton] Mr. Bulger, have
you talked to your brother James
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since 1995?
And if so, where was he?
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And where is he now?
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On advice of counsel,
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I am unable to answer
any questions today.
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One of the Fifth Amendment's
basic functions
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is to protect innocent men
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who might be ensnared
by ambiguous circumstances.
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I find myself
in such circumstances.
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[Thomas Kiley] If they
cannot have one Bulger,
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we fear they will have another.
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And if it is not Whitey,
it will be Bill.
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[Jimmy Bulger]
There's a false narrative
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in Boston about my family,
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and it's been, you know,
emblazoned in Hollywood films
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for crime's sake.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[newsreader] The FBI's new push
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to find one
of their most wanted fugitives
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James Whitey Bulger.
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He's linked to 19 deaths
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and has eluded authorities
since 1995.
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[woman] Santa Monica
was the best time of my life.
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And of his, too...
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They weren't
looking for the real him.
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They were looking for
this person they created.
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That's why he was out there,
for all that.
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It wasn't him.
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[Jimmy] We have remained
very quiet about this.
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We do not talk about this to
the media in any way or form,
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because we cannot win.
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I think it's time
to knock it down,
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at least to throw a punch back.
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I do think that
while my dad is still alive,
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someone should just step up
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and make sure
that there's some record
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that folks can look at
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that can see that my father
was a good man.
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And his brother
was not the monster
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they made him out to be.
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[pipes and drums playing]
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[people chattering]
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- [William] Hello?
- [Bill Clinton] Hello?
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Hello, Mr. President?
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Yeah,
it's nice to hear your voice.
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I know that this morning,
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I'm just the other President
on the phone.
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[audience laughing]
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[applause and cheers]
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Well, you're right about that,
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but I don't think...
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[people laughing]
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I commend you for your humility.
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- [Clinton] Then one of us needs to be humble.
- Pardon me?
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One of us needs to be humble.
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[people laughing]
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My name is William Bulger.
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I'm 83 years of age,
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living here in South Boston
all of my life.
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We lived at 41 Logan Way
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in the Old Harbor
Housing Project.
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And I think we moved there
when I was four years of age.
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So most of my memory is there.
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Spectacular friends
and neighbors
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in that community.
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And I cherish them forever.
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As a youngster, I used to work
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at John's Meat Market
on Divine Way.
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And I loved working there.
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And I knew everybody
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in the Old Harbor Village
as a result.
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And when the time came
for me to run for office,
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they were fiercely loyal to me.
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I'm married
to Mary Sarah Foley Bulger.
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[Mary] When we became engaged,
he had $150 in his bank account.
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[laughing]
That was his entire savings.
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Imagine saying yes to someone...
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[guffaws]
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No job and $150.
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What was I thinking?
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[William] We have nine
children. I think 33 grandchildren
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unless
something's happened today.
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I had a wonderful life
in politics
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serving in the Massachusetts
House of Representatives
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as well as the Senate
for some 35 years.
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I'm pleased to say
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that every bit of it
is a nice memory for me.
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[Michael Dukakis]
Bill Bulger and I arrived
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in the Legislature
almost at the same time.
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And he was a delight
to be with and listen to.
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Because he's bright as hell,
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funny as hell,
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so when the representative
for South Boston rose to speak,
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everybody would quiet down
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because we knew
something would happen.
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[Bill Weld] Well,
he's a very sophisticated man,
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a very educated man.
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He was not unsure
of where he stood ever.
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If you read his autobiography,
While the Music Lasts,
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he makes no bones about the fact
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that he always had...
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limitless
self-confidence in himself.
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[gentle music playing]
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[Jimmy] Okay. South Boston.
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Well, I'm the
second oldest of nine.
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Most of the families on the
street I grew up
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on 3rd Street in South Boston
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were big families, you know,
eight, seven, nine kids.
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Not unusual.
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It's a small town, it's only
about four square miles.
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About 50,000 people lived in it
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in those days.
And there were families
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that have lived in it
for generations.
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It was a working-class
neighborhood of good people,
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proud of where they came from
and all close-knit,
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being Irish Catholics
for the most part.
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[William] It was very strong
as a neighborhood.
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People were happy to say
they were from South Boston.
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They even had their song,
you know.
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♪ Southie is my hometown ♪
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♪ There is something about it ♪
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♪ Permit me to shout it ♪
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♪ They're the tops for
miles around ♪
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["Southie is my Hometown"
by Michael Charton playing]
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[Matt Connolly] It was
like its own little country,
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and it wasn't really
part of Boston.
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It was South Boston and Southie.
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[song continues playing]
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The reason I think Southie
sets it apart from the rest
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is that there's a strong
loyalty among the people
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and a strong cohesiveness
where they stick together.
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They're not bothered by what
other people think about them.
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[people singing
"Southie is my Hometown"]
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I wasn't conscious
when they named me,
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but I definitely
got a good name.
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It's my grandfather's name, too.
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It's my father's father's
name, James Joseph Bulger.
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So, uh, that's what I got.
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His oldest son was named that,
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and, of course,
he's the famous "Whitey"
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that everyone calls him now.
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Nobody called him that.
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When I was growing up,
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most people would not know
who my uncle was.
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There's probably very
few people in South Boston
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that could identify him.
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He was a very low-key guy.
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He drove around,
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usually late in the
afternoons or late at night,
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and he was not out
hanging around anywhere.
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He had no bad habits.
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He didn't smoke,
he didn't drink,
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he didn't stand in bar rooms.
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He took good care of himself,
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and he was
not around all that much.
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[nostalgic music playing]
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[film projector whirring]
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[Dan] Jim Bulger,
for the beginning of my life,
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was just one more uncle
who came through the door.
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He had big muscles
and yelled a lot,
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but that was the extent of it.
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[Bill] My uncle Jim's
personality
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is rather overbearing.
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[laughs] I think my brothers,
my siblings would all agree
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that when he's in the room,
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he's in charge and it seems
extremely evident to anyone
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even if he doesn't say anything.
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[Mary Hurley]
He could be a pain the neck.
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I remember the time that I
missed my curfew or something,
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so I think my mother told him
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that I was late coming home
at night or something.
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The next day, he shows up
with this big Timex watch
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with the big numbers, like,
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"Don't forget
to come home on time."
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[Sarah Bulger Piscatelli]
He was very inconsistent.
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We might see him
four days in a row
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and then not see him
for six or seven months.
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His days were different
than my father's.
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Obviously, they just--
Looking at them side by side,
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one was wearing
a black leather jacket,
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the other one's wearing a suit.
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[Bill] Early on, I just knew
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he was doing
something different.
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Didn't fully understand
what he was doing,
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but certainly never felt
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threatened by it or him
in any way.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[Brian Wallace] We were
in Chinatown one night,
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and we we were acting up,
we had a few beers,
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and we were being Southie kids.
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"Give us a beer,
give us a beer."
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And the Chinese people,
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"No, you're too young.
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No, no beers."
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And so I'm sitting there
and this guy
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taps me on the shoulder.
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And turn around, I say,
"What do you want?"
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He said,
"Leave these guys alone."
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You're fresh punks from Southie.
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"These guys work hard
for their money."
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I said, "Get lost."
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I said, "We'll kick
the shit out of you."
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I thought all my friends
would be laughing,
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and I turned around,
and they're all like...
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I said, "What's the problem?"
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They said,
"That's Whitey Bulger."
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I said,
"You gotta be kidding me."
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I said, "No way
that's Whitey Bulger."
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I said, "Oh, man."
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So 20 minutes later, he's back.
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"He said, " Want to go outside now
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and we'll see
who does what to who?"
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I said, "No, sir."
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He said,
"Now you know who I am."
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I said, "Yes, sir."
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He said, "Listen,
I was just like you.
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I was a fresh little punk
from Southie
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and I ended up in Alcatraz."
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He said, "So you never
open your mouth"
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until you know
who you're talking to.
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You understand that?
You're getting a pass this time,
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because you're from Southie."
He said, "But that's only one pass."
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[William]
♪ Life is a weary puzzle ♪
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♪ Past finding out by man ♪
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♪ I'll take the day
For what it's worth ♪
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♪ I'll do the best I can ♪
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♪ There were snowdrops
And primroses ♪
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♪ Piled high beside her bed ♪
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♪ And Ferran's Church
Was crowded ♪
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♪ When her funeral mass
Was said ♪
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♪ Each human heart
Must bear its grief ♪
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♪ Though bitter be the bold ♪
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♪ So God be with you Ireland ♪
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♪ And the Old Bog Road ♪
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That's it.
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[applause]
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[Mary] I remember the
first time we heard that song
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we were in a bar in Ireland,
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and I started crying.
And he says,
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"I'm going to learn
that one." And sure enough.
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And she still cries.
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[all laughing]
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[stammering]
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But it's not the lyrics,
it's the singing.
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[melancholic music playing]
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[Peter Gelzinis] On both sides
of the street that I grew up in
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were housing projects,
two very big housing projects.
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The Old Harbor Project
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was the first public housing
development in the country
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and the other
one was the Old Colony.
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Back then, when I was maybe
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eight, nine, ten years old,
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people swept
the project hallways.
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There were lace curtains
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on the front doors
of the apartment building.
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There wasn't any sense
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that these were
public housing tenants
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and there was
any stigma to that.
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It was just-- they were
a part of the community.
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[Jean Bulger Holland]
Growing up here was wonderful.
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Everything was brand-new.
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The roads were perfectly paved
with no traffic on them.
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For a kid like me, roller
skating around the whole project
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was heaven.
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And this was
our apartment right here.
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756 was our apartment,
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and we walked up
three flights of stairs
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and my bedroom was up there
on the left top floor corner.
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When I was growing up,
everybody was more or less
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in the same economic
circumstances as we were.
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In later years, I would hear
people talking about wealth
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and what they had
and they were vying
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for who had the most.
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But I remember an argument
among my girlfriends
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about who has the least.
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I mean, you're talking
about nostalgia.
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I'm kind of one
of the few men left standing
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if you want to think about it.
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Not too many left.
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[nostalgic music playing]
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[William] In the family,
there's my older sister Jean,
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my older brother James,
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and I'm number three,
and below me is Carol
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and my brother Jack
and my sister Sheila.
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My father lived in...
Well, for most of his life...
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He was handicapped.
He had one arm
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and he had to work.
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Whenever a call would come
from the waterfront
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they needed a night watchman.
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And the coldest nights,
Christmas, any night
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that nobody else wanted the job,
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he would be sure that he would
get the call to go.
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I think I was influenced
greatly by their example.
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[Jean] And then, of course,
we had my brother Jim.
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It was different.
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He was always gone.
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Nobody knew
what the heck he was doing.
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My mother was always trying
to make him stay in the house
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because
she didn't know where he was
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and who his friends were.
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When I was going back over
to Boston College High School,
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he seemed to have been
faltering in school,
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and every now and then,
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he would get into
some kind of trouble.
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Not large matters but...
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My father lamented all the time.
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When I was in the army,
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I was stationed in Texas,
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Fort Bliss, El Paso, Texas,
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and my father drove there.
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He had, as I say, one arm.
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When we sat down and talked,
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he was expressing
his concern about my brother.
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But it was beyond
his ability to control.
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[Jean]
We were all sitting around
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in the small kitchen
that we had.
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My mother and father
are getting our dinner,
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and they're serving us.
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And my brother Jim is there.
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All of us were there, sitting
around, and he's kind of laughing.
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He had done something wrong
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and we were all eating
and very serious.
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And I can remember him saying,
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"I know
what you're all thinking.
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You think Mom got the wrong
baby at the hospital,
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don't you?"
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And then he said,
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"But you can't even say that
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because I look just like his."
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00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:09,834
Always my brother Jim
was a worry
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and my brother Bill was a
source of pride all the time.
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00:21:19,544 --> 00:21:21,256
Bill got into politics.
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00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,526
Actually, honestly, it was the
force of his own personality.
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He had always been well liked.
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He was very outgoing.
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He had a good sense of humor,
even as a kid,
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and he delivered groceries,
so all the ladies loved him.
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[William] I read the biography
of James Michael Curley
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and it's all about
his life here,
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and also
the neighborhoods of the city,
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I became familiar with that.
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I was fascinated by all of it
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00:21:47,972 --> 00:21:50,352
because I had the interest
in politics to begin with.
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00:21:50,376 --> 00:21:52,910
And Curley had
a beautiful way of speaking.
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He has a great aura to him.
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[on recording]
I James Michael Curley...
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[William] And I used
to do a take off of him.
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[man on speakers]
If Curley is elected governor,
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then he will take
the useless gold dome
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from the top of the State House,
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00:22:05,790 --> 00:22:07,636
turn it upside down,
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00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:10,105
place it in the middle
of Flood Square,
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fill it with water and let the
little children of South Boston
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use it as a swimming pool.
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[William] It was in 1960
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and there were 16 candidates
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00:22:22,141 --> 00:22:23,652
for the House
of Representatives.
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There was a vacant seat
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and I ran all over the place
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and knocked on doors
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and did everything
that was necessary.
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00:22:32,418 --> 00:22:33,795
One of my opponents
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used to call me
"Same Suit" Bulger,
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00:22:36,354 --> 00:22:38,556
because I always
wore the same suit.
403
00:22:38,623 --> 00:22:40,091
Because it was the only suit.
404
00:22:41,626 --> 00:22:43,138
And the night that I won,
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00:22:43,162 --> 00:22:45,941
I was happy that when he came
to my victory party,
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00:22:45,965 --> 00:22:47,965
we stood on the stage together.
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00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:51,469
I introduced myself
as "Same Suit."
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00:22:53,838 --> 00:22:56,707
At age 26,
I was elected to the House,
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00:22:56,775 --> 00:23:00,411
and I stayed there
for 35 years or so.
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00:23:03,715 --> 00:23:05,560
It was a happy life for me.
411
00:23:05,584 --> 00:23:07,852
I think it might have been
tough on people around me.
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00:23:10,255 --> 00:23:14,425
[nostalgic music playing]
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00:23:18,263 --> 00:23:19,864
[Mary] Some nights
he would come home
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and make the dinner
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00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:23,667
because he could tell I
just about had it. You know.
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00:23:24,903 --> 00:23:26,337
I think at the time,
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00:23:26,404 --> 00:23:30,118
I may have even told
my sweet wife "just one term"
418
00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:32,209
but then another term,
419
00:23:32,277 --> 00:23:34,812
"They need me."
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00:23:34,879 --> 00:23:38,326
That's how insufferable
politicians become.
421
00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:42,019
Oh. I'll tell you
what happened then.
422
00:23:42,086 --> 00:23:44,666
I just think he was so happy
doing what he was doing
423
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:47,335
and he was doing
such good things.
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00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,293
So I put up with it.
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00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:50,694
[giggles]
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00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:53,964
[Sarah] Reflecting
back now as an adult,
427
00:23:54,032 --> 00:23:55,633
knowing how busy
he was at the time,
428
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:58,702
it's kind of impressive how much
he did dig in around the house.
429
00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:01,505
I mean, certainly my mother
did the lion's share of it.
430
00:24:01,573 --> 00:24:03,752
[Jimmy] He used to read to us
at night when we were kids.
431
00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:05,776
So there'd be some of us
sitting on the sofa,
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00:24:05,844 --> 00:24:06,710
he'd sit on the floor.
433
00:24:06,778 --> 00:24:08,446
Kids beside him, kids behind him
434
00:24:08,513 --> 00:24:10,915
and everybody would be
following the same story.
435
00:24:10,982 --> 00:24:12,249
A couple
on the couch up above him
436
00:24:12,317 --> 00:24:13,984
and he'd have his back
to the sofa
437
00:24:14,052 --> 00:24:15,764
and he'd be reading the book,
438
00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:18,456
whether it was Robert Louis
Stevenson's Treasure Island
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00:24:18,523 --> 00:24:20,458
and we'd read
a couple of chapters a night.
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00:24:20,525 --> 00:24:23,127
And I remember as a boy just
being enthralled with the story.
441
00:24:23,194 --> 00:24:24,862
[Jimmy]
I remember that very vividly
442
00:24:24,929 --> 00:24:27,309
because he encourages us all
to read and be good students.
443
00:24:27,333 --> 00:24:29,366
He was very keen on education.
444
00:24:30,735 --> 00:24:32,970
[uplifting music playing]
445
00:24:51,756 --> 00:24:55,226
Forced busing was put upon
the people of Boston
446
00:24:55,293 --> 00:24:57,428
because there was an imbalance
in the school system
447
00:24:57,495 --> 00:25:01,832
in that the neighborhoods
that were predominantly Black
448
00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:03,300
were not getting the education
449
00:25:03,368 --> 00:25:05,347
that the white neighborhoods
were getting.
450
00:25:05,371 --> 00:25:06,748
That was the argument made.
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00:25:06,772 --> 00:25:09,640
And the solution was,
by the court,
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00:25:09,707 --> 00:25:12,087
to bus kids from
one neighborhood to another
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00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:14,422
so you wouldn't walk
to your local school anymore.
454
00:25:14,446 --> 00:25:17,014
You'd be bused across the city
to another school.
455
00:25:20,719 --> 00:25:23,521
[Shelley Murphy] When busing
started, I was 16 years old.
456
00:25:23,588 --> 00:25:27,035
I was going into my senior year
at South Boston High School,
457
00:25:27,059 --> 00:25:29,971
um, that was now being sent
to another school,
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00:25:29,995 --> 00:25:32,997
a school that was all Black
across town.
459
00:25:33,064 --> 00:25:35,466
And South Boston, of course,
had been all white.
460
00:25:35,533 --> 00:25:37,245
I wouldn't care
if they are green or purple,
461
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:38,602
the idea of putting
my kid on a bus
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00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:40,271
when I have a school
right across the street
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00:25:40,338 --> 00:25:42,806
from where they should go. I
don't care what color they are.
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00:25:42,874 --> 00:25:45,787
Let us go to our neighborhoods
where our kids are safe.
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00:25:45,811 --> 00:25:47,923
[overlapping yelling]
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00:25:47,947 --> 00:25:50,926
[Pastor Robert Gray] South
Boston was, it was like Alabama.
467
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:54,195
It was Mississippi,
just right down the street.
468
00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:58,088
Regardless of the political
peace that was going on,
469
00:25:58,156 --> 00:25:59,189
kids were stoned.
470
00:26:00,224 --> 00:26:01,592
[demonstrators chanting]
471
00:26:05,163 --> 00:26:07,164
[Jean McGuire] Up on the
hill there in South Boston,
472
00:26:07,231 --> 00:26:08,410
you had people with sheets,
473
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:10,367
"Niggas, go home,
go back to Africa."
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00:26:10,435 --> 00:26:11,435
It was ugly.
475
00:26:12,303 --> 00:26:14,505
[dramatic music playing]
476
00:26:16,307 --> 00:26:18,687
It's not about the bus.
It's about us.
477
00:26:18,711 --> 00:26:21,378
Everybody in the suburbs
gets on a bus to go to school.
478
00:26:21,446 --> 00:26:24,848
You don't call it busing.
You call it education.
479
00:26:24,916 --> 00:26:27,184
The bus was the code word
to say,
480
00:26:27,251 --> 00:26:28,852
"Blacks
are leaving their place."
481
00:26:35,860 --> 00:26:39,930
[man] It was a situation where
suddenly one local neighborhood
482
00:26:39,998 --> 00:26:44,068
became a national flash point
for this question.
483
00:26:44,135 --> 00:26:47,071
That explosion fueled
a lot of political careers.
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00:26:49,207 --> 00:26:51,675
[man]
I want Senator Bill Bulger!
485
00:26:51,743 --> 00:26:54,545
[people cheering and applauding]
486
00:26:54,612 --> 00:26:59,450
[William] I am here before you
to emphasize one central thought.
487
00:27:00,818 --> 00:27:02,019
They were wrong.
488
00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:04,666
They were wrong
489
00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:05,956
about you.
490
00:27:06,758 --> 00:27:08,403
They were wrong
491
00:27:08,427 --> 00:27:11,161
about the intensity of the love
492
00:27:11,229 --> 00:27:15,810
which you have for your
children and for your community.
493
00:27:15,834 --> 00:27:18,747
They were wrong
about your determination
494
00:27:18,771 --> 00:27:20,971
to remain in this city
495
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,907
as a cohesive community
496
00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:26,110
and that you
somehow are the ones
497
00:27:26,177 --> 00:27:29,113
to blame
for some social problem.
498
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:30,759
[cheers and applause]
499
00:27:30,783 --> 00:27:34,051
It was so unfair that you
would be labeled racist
500
00:27:34,118 --> 00:27:37,321
simply
because you opposed busing.
501
00:27:37,388 --> 00:27:40,991
That's not to defend
in any way, shape or form
502
00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:44,105
the people that were out there
throwing rocks at buses
503
00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:48,465
and hurling racial slurs.
504
00:27:48,533 --> 00:27:50,801
So I really felt
that Billy Bulger
505
00:27:50,868 --> 00:27:52,269
was speaking for me
506
00:27:52,336 --> 00:27:54,405
and for the people who
didn't really have a voice.
507
00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:05,015
[Pat Nee]
The first time I met Whitey,
508
00:28:05,083 --> 00:28:08,285
I was at an afterhours club
in South Boston.
509
00:28:08,352 --> 00:28:09,864
There was card games going on,
510
00:28:09,888 --> 00:28:13,802
and I wasn't a gambler,
but I'd be at the bar drinking.
511
00:28:13,826 --> 00:28:17,472
Whitey he was in there,
I was introduced to him.
512
00:28:17,496 --> 00:28:20,297
I had heard he was a
bank robber and all this stuff.
513
00:28:20,364 --> 00:28:23,667
You know, it didn't make any
impression one way or another.
514
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:27,638
So I'm sitting there at the bar.
515
00:28:27,705 --> 00:28:30,618
We're just engage in
meaningless conversation.
516
00:28:30,642 --> 00:28:34,355
And one of our guys had
stopped at the Killeen's bar room
517
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:36,513
in Southie that night
and got his nose bit off
518
00:28:36,581 --> 00:28:39,494
and shot three times in the arm.
519
00:28:39,518 --> 00:28:41,719
And before he went
to the hospital,
520
00:28:41,786 --> 00:28:44,966
he came into the club
to tell us what happened.
521
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:46,968
Two guys took him
to the hospital
522
00:28:46,992 --> 00:28:48,703
and we all piled into one car.
523
00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:50,728
We ran out of room
and Whitey said,
524
00:28:50,795 --> 00:28:52,730
"I'm going that way."
525
00:28:52,797 --> 00:28:54,709
Hmm, okay.
526
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:58,802
I know he was with the Killeens
and that's who had shot Mickey.
527
00:28:58,870 --> 00:29:00,604
I said, "I don't think
we'll be talking again."
528
00:29:00,671 --> 00:29:03,051
He says, "No. See you later."
529
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:05,676
Who knew
we were on opposite sides?
530
00:29:05,743 --> 00:29:07,578
And then the shooting started.
531
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,548
We'd hunt each other.
532
00:29:11,616 --> 00:29:15,018
He almost got me
one summer evening.
533
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:19,223
Tried to come in the window
with a grease gun, I think.
534
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:21,258
I grabbed the rifle out of
the closet.
535
00:29:21,292 --> 00:29:24,762
A .30-06 with a scope,
and I jumped out the window
536
00:29:24,829 --> 00:29:26,563
because I see him,
which way he was running,
537
00:29:26,631 --> 00:29:28,143
and I kept dropping on one knee
538
00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:30,278
trying to get him
in my scope but I couldn't.
539
00:29:30,302 --> 00:29:31,869
I couldn't get
a clear shot of him.
540
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:40,711
His mother lived here
541
00:29:40,778 --> 00:29:42,513
and he was pretty close
with his mother.
542
00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:45,449
So I see this is a real good
place to try and get him.
543
00:29:45,516 --> 00:29:47,618
He won't expect me
to be in the weeds here.
544
00:29:50,121 --> 00:29:52,634
I staked this place out
periodically.
545
00:29:52,658 --> 00:29:56,237
For about 18, 20 months
I showed up here.
546
00:29:56,261 --> 00:29:58,773
I thought I had a real good
shot to get him here,
547
00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:00,297
but I never did.
He never showed up.
548
00:30:07,939 --> 00:30:10,440
We joined forces because
you can't make any money
549
00:30:10,507 --> 00:30:12,543
when there's a war going on.
550
00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:15,212
The cops are looking
to get everybody.
551
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,014
It was time to end it anyhow.
552
00:30:17,081 --> 00:30:19,650
Enough damage
had been done on both sides.
553
00:30:21,886 --> 00:30:24,732
We just walked in one Monday
with Whitey and told everyone,
554
00:30:24,756 --> 00:30:26,267
"You're working for us now."
555
00:30:26,291 --> 00:30:28,136
Everyone says, "Okay."
556
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,426
We threw the money on the table,
557
00:30:29,493 --> 00:30:31,406
me and Whitey.
558
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:34,542
I said, "We've been in the
wrong business all these years.
559
00:30:34,566 --> 00:30:36,567
Look at this. We were all
going, "Are you kidding me?"
560
00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:38,079
That's what we get for the week?
561
00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:40,437
Says, "Yeah. Week after week."
562
00:30:40,504 --> 00:30:42,306
[suspenseful music playing]
563
00:30:53,251 --> 00:30:54,918
[Kevin Weeks]
I'm working at Triple O's.
564
00:30:54,986 --> 00:30:57,254
Jim Bulger, Steve Flemmi
used to come in all the time
565
00:30:57,321 --> 00:30:58,488
on the weekends.
566
00:31:00,592 --> 00:31:02,793
And little by little, they're
talking to me more and more,
567
00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:03,994
especially Jim Bulger.
568
00:31:04,061 --> 00:31:05,996
"How you doing? How's
your family? How is this?"
569
00:31:06,063 --> 00:31:09,199
Just talking about stuff
around the town, everything.
570
00:31:10,735 --> 00:31:12,402
I got involved
in a few other things.
571
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:15,138
And then
I started beating people up.
572
00:31:15,206 --> 00:31:16,940
Besides my regular job,
573
00:31:17,008 --> 00:31:19,343
I beat a couple of people up
for Jim Bulger.
574
00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:23,013
And then basically,
one day he came and he says
575
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,349
to Kevin O'Neill, he says,
"I'm taking him with me."
576
00:31:26,484 --> 00:31:28,118
[intriguing music playing]
577
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:32,956
You know, I can't say
anything bad about him.
578
00:31:33,024 --> 00:31:34,524
He treated me really well,
579
00:31:35,693 --> 00:31:36,727
almost like a son.
580
00:31:40,231 --> 00:31:42,944
He taught me a lot about crime,
about life, about dealing with people.
581
00:31:42,968 --> 00:31:45,636
And he was always trying to
keep me out of trouble.
582
00:31:50,241 --> 00:31:53,110
He was always thinking,
thinking, using his head,
583
00:31:53,177 --> 00:31:55,690
putting the odds
in our favor on everything.
584
00:31:55,714 --> 00:31:58,582
And... I mean,
he was a smart guy.
585
00:31:58,649 --> 00:32:00,784
He was ahead of a lot of people.
586
00:32:03,254 --> 00:32:05,022
[suspenseful music playing]
587
00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:10,371
[Catherine Greig] I was 24.
588
00:32:10,395 --> 00:32:12,440
He wouldn't tell me
how old he was at the time,
589
00:32:12,464 --> 00:32:15,232
but he was 44 or 45.
590
00:32:16,334 --> 00:32:18,246
I knew of him, of course,
591
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:21,204
but I was walking
my dog in the park
592
00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,206
and he asked somebody,
"Who is that?"
593
00:32:23,274 --> 00:32:24,852
And then he started to call,
594
00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:27,678
and I'm like, "No, I'm not interested
in going out with anybody now.
595
00:32:27,745 --> 00:32:30,013
I'm just ending a relationship."
596
00:32:30,081 --> 00:32:31,815
So he just kept calling.
597
00:32:31,882 --> 00:32:35,218
And then I eventually
did go out to eat with him.
598
00:32:35,286 --> 00:32:36,853
He was very persuasive.
599
00:32:38,890 --> 00:32:41,224
He loved his family.
600
00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:45,295
And he loved going to Bill's
house and seeing all the kids.
601
00:32:46,564 --> 00:32:49,166
He was really part
of that family, you know?
602
00:32:49,233 --> 00:32:52,013
There may have been a long
period of time sometimes
603
00:32:52,037 --> 00:32:54,972
that he didn't come in there,
but he just loved it.
604
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,975
And was close to nieces
and nephews
605
00:32:58,042 --> 00:32:59,710
after for a long, long time
606
00:33:01,913 --> 00:33:04,314
[female newsreader] Elected
to the State Senate in 1970,
607
00:33:04,382 --> 00:33:08,830
Bulger became Senate President
in 1978 at the age of 44.
608
00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:10,253
[journalist] President,
congratulations.
609
00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:11,254
A bit of a surprise.
610
00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,323
Obviously, you weren't
taken aback by it all.
611
00:33:13,391 --> 00:33:17,839
No, the Senate President
Kevin Harrington had informed me
612
00:33:17,863 --> 00:33:19,307
last week
that he was thinking of it
613
00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:23,467
and he made up his mind a
couple of days ago to do this.
614
00:33:29,673 --> 00:33:31,919
[Murphy] If you go back
to the old movies, right?
615
00:33:31,943 --> 00:33:33,388
The good brother,
the bad brother,
616
00:33:33,412 --> 00:33:35,278
The Angels with Dirty Faces,
right?
617
00:33:35,346 --> 00:33:36,980
It's sort of an age-old story.
618
00:33:38,015 --> 00:33:40,417
You have Billy Bulger,
who was arguably
619
00:33:40,484 --> 00:33:42,486
the most powerful politician
in the state,
620
00:33:42,553 --> 00:33:45,666
the long time President
of the Massachusetts Senate.
621
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:47,758
And at the same time,
you have his brother,
622
00:33:47,825 --> 00:33:50,327
this notorious gangster.
623
00:33:52,563 --> 00:33:54,142
To me, the story is fascinating
624
00:33:54,166 --> 00:33:55,877
because it's not
black and white.
625
00:33:55,901 --> 00:33:59,102
There's lots of different
complexities to it.
626
00:33:59,170 --> 00:34:01,505
Trying to get
at that relationship
627
00:34:01,572 --> 00:34:02,950
and how they interact
628
00:34:02,974 --> 00:34:04,875
and what their relationship is.
629
00:34:06,177 --> 00:34:08,156
They're very protective
of each other.
630
00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:10,647
Whitey was careful
not to embarrass him.
631
00:34:10,714 --> 00:34:13,494
When their mother died,
Whitey made sure
632
00:34:13,518 --> 00:34:15,185
that there was no opportunity
633
00:34:15,252 --> 00:34:17,031
for a photo
of the two brothers together.
634
00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:18,789
But there were intersections.
635
00:34:18,856 --> 00:34:20,368
I mean, there were
things that happened
636
00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:23,971
that really
triggered media scrutiny.
637
00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:26,641
[Wallace] Boston magazine did a
story called "The Brothers Bulger"
638
00:34:26,665 --> 00:34:27,775
and they came to me,
and they said,
639
00:34:27,799 --> 00:34:30,600
"You know both Bulgers,
how do you separate them?"
640
00:34:30,668 --> 00:34:32,046
"I said, "Well, if
you're sitting in a room
641
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,203
and you close your eyes,
642
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:34,715
"you wouldn't know
which was which," I said.
643
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:37,185
"They're both intelligent,
well-spoken, well-read,
644
00:34:37,209 --> 00:34:39,476
can talk on any subject."
645
00:34:39,543 --> 00:34:42,523
I said, "They're just,
they're brilliant people."
646
00:34:42,547 --> 00:34:45,193
So about a week later,
I was going to Triple O's
647
00:34:45,217 --> 00:34:47,061
on a Friday afternoon after work
648
00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:48,863
and I feel this gun in my neck,
649
00:34:48,887 --> 00:34:51,688
and I'm like, "Oh, my...
What's going on here?"
650
00:34:51,755 --> 00:34:54,001
And I hear his laugh.
651
00:34:54,025 --> 00:34:55,625
And he said, "I saw that quote."
652
00:34:55,693 --> 00:34:56,871
He said, "You're learning."
653
00:34:56,895 --> 00:34:59,429
He said,
"I like that you're learning."
654
00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:03,567
[Weeks] He was proud of his
brother. He loved his brother.
655
00:35:04,835 --> 00:35:06,169
I'd go up the house with them.
656
00:35:06,237 --> 00:35:09,406
His brother lived on East
Third Street, and we'd go inside.
657
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,220
And they basically
talked about the kids,
658
00:35:12,244 --> 00:35:14,244
talked about education.
659
00:35:14,311 --> 00:35:17,358
I mean, it sounds crazy, but
that's what they talked about.
660
00:35:17,382 --> 00:35:20,383
Talked about what was going on
in the town, talked about politics,
661
00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:23,431
talked about everyday stuff
that you'd see in the paper
662
00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:24,955
and on the news and everything.
663
00:35:25,523 --> 00:35:26,901
He was very careful.
664
00:35:26,925 --> 00:35:29,237
He sheltered his brother,
you know?
665
00:35:29,261 --> 00:35:31,528
I mean, Billy's not stupid.
666
00:35:31,595 --> 00:35:34,264
And he probably heard a lot
of stories about his brother,
667
00:35:34,331 --> 00:35:36,266
what he was doing out there
and stuff,
668
00:35:36,333 --> 00:35:38,179
but it was never
confirmed to him.
669
00:35:38,203 --> 00:35:39,402
No one ever told him, you know,
670
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:41,638
exactly this happened
or that happened.
671
00:35:45,476 --> 00:35:47,277
[Weld]
No one inside the State House
672
00:35:47,344 --> 00:35:49,079
really ever thought
about Whitey Bulger
673
00:35:49,146 --> 00:35:51,081
and Bill Bulger
in the same breath.
674
00:35:51,148 --> 00:35:52,215
Except maybe me.
675
00:35:52,283 --> 00:35:55,796
I had indicted Whitey Bulger
in a narcotics case
676
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:59,289
under seal to prevent him
from fleeing back in the '80s
677
00:35:59,356 --> 00:36:00,868
when I was US Attorney.
678
00:36:00,892 --> 00:36:01,936
So I knew a bit about him.
679
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,204
The word on the street was
680
00:36:03,228 --> 00:36:05,829
Whitey kept the drugs
out of South Boston?
681
00:36:05,896 --> 00:36:07,008
Complete lie.
682
00:36:07,032 --> 00:36:10,233
Quite the contrary was true.
683
00:36:10,301 --> 00:36:11,501
So I knew all about
684
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:13,503
the nefarious deeds
of Bill's brother,
685
00:36:13,571 --> 00:36:15,305
but I just never made
any connection there.
686
00:36:15,372 --> 00:36:17,107
And if I wasn't going
to make that connection,
687
00:36:17,174 --> 00:36:19,176
believe me, nobody else was.
688
00:36:19,243 --> 00:36:21,355
I wouldn't have known Whitey
Bulger if I'd fallen over him.
689
00:36:21,379 --> 00:36:22,957
I had no idea who he was.
690
00:36:22,981 --> 00:36:26,449
He had nothing to do with
government as far as I could see.
691
00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:28,451
No impact on public policy.
692
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,587
I had no idea what he was doing.
693
00:36:30,654 --> 00:36:33,590
I mean,
the dominant Bulger brother
694
00:36:33,657 --> 00:36:36,293
was the Senate President,
not this other guy.
695
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:41,709
The state government
that he and I entered
696
00:36:41,733 --> 00:36:45,335
in 1960 and 1962
as young state legislators,
697
00:36:45,402 --> 00:36:48,916
it was one of the three or
four more corrupted in America.
698
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:51,141
Bill Bulger was the guy
that brought integrity
699
00:36:51,208 --> 00:36:52,943
to the Massachusetts
State Senate.
700
00:36:54,745 --> 00:36:56,591
Nobody understands this.
701
00:36:56,615 --> 00:36:59,616
Sadly,
not really well recognized,
702
00:36:59,683 --> 00:37:02,396
what he did to set
those kinds of high standards
703
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:03,887
and maintain them.
704
00:37:03,954 --> 00:37:06,089
And we're benefiting
from that now.
705
00:37:06,156 --> 00:37:10,671
And I think he has a right
to take a pretty good chunk
706
00:37:10,695 --> 00:37:12,762
of the credit
for helping to make that.
707
00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:20,036
[Bowns] He seemed to be
someone who believed in power
708
00:37:20,104 --> 00:37:22,906
and wielding power
to get things done.
709
00:37:22,973 --> 00:37:25,486
[applause]
710
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:27,555
[Bowns] I'd say he's
someone who's very principled,
711
00:37:27,579 --> 00:37:29,890
very religious.
712
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:32,649
I think
he's a compassionate man,
713
00:37:32,716 --> 00:37:37,031
soft spot in his heart for
the most vulnerable people,
714
00:37:37,055 --> 00:37:38,455
poor people, children,
715
00:37:39,056 --> 00:37:41,591
and very stubborn.
716
00:37:41,659 --> 00:37:44,261
Won't compromise
on his convictions.
717
00:37:44,328 --> 00:37:46,774
A recession is not
a moral justification
718
00:37:46,798 --> 00:37:50,900
for casually punishing
the helpless, the homeless,
719
00:37:51,736 --> 00:37:54,070
the sick, the disadvantaged.
720
00:37:56,207 --> 00:37:58,808
We cannot
and we must not squander
721
00:37:58,876 --> 00:38:01,945
a half century
of social progress
722
00:38:02,012 --> 00:38:05,726
to pay the bills
of a difficult year.
723
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:09,797
We cannot turn our backs
on the education of the young
724
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:11,621
or the care of the elderly.
725
00:38:13,223 --> 00:38:17,093
We cannot, and I am confident
that we shall not,
726
00:38:17,161 --> 00:38:20,630
be found wanting
in performing the work
727
00:38:20,698 --> 00:38:24,567
that we have been
so clearly sent here to do.
728
00:38:24,635 --> 00:38:25,802
Thank you very much.
729
00:38:26,437 --> 00:38:27,937
[applause]
730
00:38:43,454 --> 00:38:46,790
[William] He wasn't very
open about things with us.
731
00:38:48,325 --> 00:38:50,994
"It would be, " Don't worry.
732
00:38:51,061 --> 00:38:56,377
It's not anything like that,"
sort of reassuring.
733
00:38:56,401 --> 00:38:59,246
"There's nothing
to be concerned about."
734
00:38:59,270 --> 00:39:03,506
But all of the indicia
were there.
735
00:39:04,542 --> 00:39:05,842
And...
736
00:39:07,344 --> 00:39:11,381
You knew you had
something to worry about.
737
00:39:22,626 --> 00:39:24,260
[Nee clears throat]
738
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:30,734
This is the Mullen Club.
739
00:39:32,102 --> 00:39:34,104
This is where we socialized.
740
00:39:34,171 --> 00:39:35,672
All the fighting was over,
741
00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:38,975
so you wouldn't have to duck
and weave anymore and hide.
742
00:39:39,042 --> 00:39:41,845
We would socialize here.
We would drink here.
743
00:39:41,912 --> 00:39:43,313
We ran dice games here.
744
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:44,892
We ran card games here.
745
00:39:44,916 --> 00:39:46,560
We did cookouts in back.
746
00:39:46,584 --> 00:39:49,163
Everyone would come here
if they wanted to see us,
747
00:39:49,187 --> 00:39:51,154
including the police
and the FBI.
748
00:39:55,726 --> 00:39:57,571
He would come by night
749
00:39:57,595 --> 00:39:59,974
and come in and all
the beer would go flat.
750
00:39:59,998 --> 00:40:01,308
But he didn't drink.
751
00:40:01,332 --> 00:40:02,999
He'd hang around a little bit.
752
00:40:03,066 --> 00:40:04,411
He didn't like to shake hands.
753
00:40:04,435 --> 00:40:05,802
He didn't like to touch people.
754
00:40:05,869 --> 00:40:07,715
He would immediately
go in the bathroom.
755
00:40:07,739 --> 00:40:08,983
Most people didn't catch on,
756
00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:12,119
but he'd go in and wash his
hands and he'd come back out.
757
00:40:12,143 --> 00:40:13,576
He didn't like contact.
758
00:40:16,347 --> 00:40:18,526
He loved that people
would be fearful of him.
759
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:20,283
He really got off on it.
760
00:40:20,350 --> 00:40:23,553
You know, little by little, we're
starting to pick up on this stuff.
761
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,534
This is not going
to be a good relationship.
762
00:40:26,558 --> 00:40:29,292
But we didn't know how bad
it was going to turn out to be.
763
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:31,161
He was not a good guy
to be around.
764
00:40:35,366 --> 00:40:39,369
[Weeks] Unless we were doing
something it was really boring.
765
00:40:39,436 --> 00:40:41,682
Once a week, you'd go by,
you'd pick up the envelopes.
766
00:40:41,706 --> 00:40:43,684
People would drop off money,
you pick it up.
767
00:40:43,708 --> 00:40:46,776
You really didn't have
too much to do.
768
00:40:46,844 --> 00:40:49,712
Then when you had a problem,
everything stopped
769
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:51,848
and you'd be out 24 hours a day.
770
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,366
The people we'd grab, most
of them were involved in drugs.
771
00:40:59,390 --> 00:41:01,191
They were big drug dealers.
772
00:41:01,258 --> 00:41:02,792
And they were the people
that brought in
773
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:04,928
by the boat loads
or different things.
774
00:41:04,995 --> 00:41:07,775
We'd grab them and tell them
that they were going to pay us.
775
00:41:07,799 --> 00:41:11,534
Oh, I remember one time
we got this fellow,
776
00:41:11,602 --> 00:41:13,336
talked to him for 20 minutes.
777
00:41:13,403 --> 00:41:17,518
And next day he showed up
with a hockey bag
778
00:41:17,542 --> 00:41:19,142
with $500,000 in it.
779
00:41:22,346 --> 00:41:26,393
One fellow we shook down,
we got $1.6 million off him.
780
00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:28,929
So there's a lot of money
coming in.
781
00:41:28,953 --> 00:41:31,020
[interviewer] Were you
bribing those guys? Just--
782
00:41:31,088 --> 00:41:34,023
[laughing] Bribing them? No.
783
00:41:34,091 --> 00:41:35,959
[interviewer] What were they
giving you this money for?
784
00:41:36,026 --> 00:41:37,060
For their life.
785
00:41:39,496 --> 00:41:41,064
[ominous music playing]
786
00:41:46,169 --> 00:41:51,685
For Jim Bulger, Whitey,
violence was his last option.
787
00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:55,111
He would use anything
in his arsenal up until that,
788
00:41:55,178 --> 00:41:57,580
whether it was scaring people
or intimidating people,
789
00:41:57,648 --> 00:42:00,717
beating people,
whatever... to get his way.
790
00:42:02,586 --> 00:42:05,121
But when he decided
to use violence,
791
00:42:05,188 --> 00:42:07,501
especially against someone
that was capable...
792
00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:10,037
He decided on killing them,
he was going to kill them.
793
00:42:10,061 --> 00:42:11,861
And there was
no changing his mind.
794
00:42:14,398 --> 00:42:17,177
It was just business with him.
795
00:42:17,201 --> 00:42:18,668
He'd put everything into it.
796
00:42:18,735 --> 00:42:22,182
After he killed someone,
he'd be nice and relaxed.
797
00:42:22,206 --> 00:42:24,985
It's kind of like taking
a Valium or something.
798
00:42:25,009 --> 00:42:26,587
He just...
799
00:42:26,611 --> 00:42:28,478
It was over and that was it.
It was done.
800
00:42:28,545 --> 00:42:30,446
And then he'd be
on to something else.
801
00:42:31,081 --> 00:42:32,615
[brooding music playing]
802
00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:37,998
[Wallace] If he liked you
803
00:42:38,022 --> 00:42:40,134
and he wanted you
for whatever, he would...
804
00:42:40,158 --> 00:42:41,535
He would bring you in.
805
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,338
And then he'd make you
do something
806
00:42:44,362 --> 00:42:47,163
so that you couldn't get out
because he had that on you.
807
00:42:47,230 --> 00:42:48,765
Like Kevin buried the bodies.
808
00:42:48,832 --> 00:42:49,944
Kevin couldn't get out.
809
00:42:49,968 --> 00:42:51,345
I mean, if Whitey'd get caught,
810
00:42:51,369 --> 00:42:53,303
he's gonna say, "Kevin
buried those bodies there."
811
00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:57,440
So it was just this whole game
that they were playing.
812
00:42:57,507 --> 00:42:59,486
It wasn't a game, though.
They were killing people.
813
00:42:59,510 --> 00:43:02,078
They killed some of my friends.
814
00:43:06,249 --> 00:43:07,884
[ominous music playing]
815
00:43:17,461 --> 00:43:19,840
[William] You don't want a
battle of wits. You're unarmed.
816
00:43:19,864 --> 00:43:22,665
I mean, we don't... [laughing]
817
00:43:22,733 --> 00:43:24,467
I'm only kidding.
818
00:43:24,534 --> 00:43:26,669
My brother
will be asking for you.
819
00:43:26,737 --> 00:43:28,649
[laughter and applause]
820
00:43:28,673 --> 00:43:30,540
He's got a great sense of
humor. He's a funny bastard.
821
00:43:30,607 --> 00:43:34,188
He has a great ability
to assess a situation
822
00:43:34,212 --> 00:43:35,812
and come up funny on it.
823
00:43:35,879 --> 00:43:38,325
This guy is dangerous. He
could end up in the White House.
824
00:43:38,349 --> 00:43:39,782
He's like Mr. Magoo.
825
00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:42,329
Right off the edge of the cliff.
826
00:43:42,353 --> 00:43:45,555
- And, oh, an eagle comes along.
- [laughter]
827
00:43:45,622 --> 00:43:49,069
Brother,
he always lands on his feet.
828
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:50,693
"Oh, I just made a minor mistake
829
00:43:50,761 --> 00:43:53,340
for $1.5 million
in my tax return."
830
00:43:53,364 --> 00:43:54,897
[laughter]
831
00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:58,078
Can you imagine if I
had made a little mistake?
832
00:43:58,102 --> 00:43:59,013
[applause]
833
00:43:59,037 --> 00:44:00,347
[Weld] He'd make fun of me
834
00:44:00,371 --> 00:44:02,238
for worshipping
in wooden churches
835
00:44:02,305 --> 00:44:04,574
and my people having come over
836
00:44:04,641 --> 00:44:07,710
on the Mayflower
and silver spoon,
837
00:44:07,778 --> 00:44:10,113
and I was Irish
on my chauffeur's side
838
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:11,425
and all that sort of thing.
839
00:44:11,449 --> 00:44:14,050
Got a lot of good lines,
good laugh.
840
00:44:14,117 --> 00:44:17,654
No one loves a joke like
the Irish. It's really terrific.
841
00:44:17,721 --> 00:44:21,391
I didn't know Protestants get
up this early on Sunday morning.
842
00:44:21,458 --> 00:44:23,170
Really good to see you.
843
00:44:23,194 --> 00:44:25,172
We're not going to pick on you
today or something like that.
844
00:44:25,196 --> 00:44:27,930
Somebody said, "Don't be
too hard." It was your wife.
845
00:44:28,465 --> 00:44:31,645
[laughter]
846
00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:34,381
[Dukakis] I loved going to the
breakfasts. They were hilarious.
847
00:44:34,405 --> 00:44:35,783
If it's a broken convention,
848
00:44:35,807 --> 00:44:38,986
we're going to use
your old charisma...
849
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:42,612
[Dukakis] They were a feature
of political life of Boston.
850
00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,059
I mean, if you were anybody, you
better get down to that breakfast.
851
00:44:45,083 --> 00:44:47,061
And if you went down there,
852
00:44:47,085 --> 00:44:51,487
you should expect
to be raked over.
853
00:44:51,555 --> 00:44:53,089
I know this is going to
disappoint some of you,
854
00:44:54,625 --> 00:44:57,493
but I'm not going to be a
candidate for the presidency...
855
00:44:57,561 --> 00:44:59,195
of the Massachusetts
State Senate.
856
00:45:00,897 --> 00:45:02,365
[laughter and applause]
857
00:45:04,568 --> 00:45:07,904
You're keeping us in suspense,
Governor.
858
00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:12,375
He's still waiting to hear.
Chitty, tell him.
859
00:45:12,442 --> 00:45:13,976
[laughter]
860
00:45:15,912 --> 00:45:20,450
The one weakness he had,
and I say this respectfully,
861
00:45:20,517 --> 00:45:24,565
was that he just wouldn't
spend a lot of time
862
00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:27,034
thinking about
his media relationships.
863
00:45:27,058 --> 00:45:29,726
Marty Nolan from the Globe
said, "Well, Mr. President,
864
00:45:29,793 --> 00:45:31,327
looks like a nice day,
doesn't it?"
865
00:45:31,394 --> 00:45:34,308
- I said, "I never mind your trick questions."
- [laughter]
866
00:45:34,332 --> 00:45:37,111
The Boston Globe and Bill Bulger
867
00:45:37,135 --> 00:45:39,513
really didn't get along
all that well,
868
00:45:39,537 --> 00:45:42,205
and he didn't mind saying so.
869
00:45:42,272 --> 00:45:44,051
Didn't mind sharing his opinion
870
00:45:44,075 --> 00:45:46,142
of "the sullens
of the Fourth Estate,"
871
00:45:46,209 --> 00:45:49,545
as he sometimes called them.
872
00:45:49,613 --> 00:45:52,326
[William] Do we need
any greater assurance
873
00:45:52,350 --> 00:45:54,528
of the excellence
of this candidate
874
00:45:54,552 --> 00:45:56,330
than to know
that the Boston Globe
875
00:45:56,354 --> 00:45:58,821
has endorsed his opponent?
876
00:45:58,889 --> 00:46:01,557
Is there any greater assurance
needed?
877
00:46:01,625 --> 00:46:03,003
[applause]
878
00:46:03,027 --> 00:46:05,606
[Connolly] He had a different
philosophy from the Boston Globe
879
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:08,865
because he would never respond
to their requests.
880
00:46:08,899 --> 00:46:11,545
He was always, you know,
"You didn't elect me.
881
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:14,637
I'll be responsible to my
constituents, not to you."
882
00:46:17,574 --> 00:46:20,777
It became a personal grudge
883
00:46:20,844 --> 00:46:25,025
between Bill Bulger
and Gerald O'Neill
884
00:46:25,049 --> 00:46:27,784
and Dick Lehr from the Globe.
885
00:46:33,924 --> 00:46:36,370
If you read their book,
they say,
886
00:46:36,394 --> 00:46:39,439
"In the pantheon
of American criminals,
887
00:46:39,463 --> 00:46:42,632
Whitey stands out
above all of them,
888
00:46:42,666 --> 00:46:47,003
above Gotti, above Al Capone.
They have him at the top.
889
00:46:47,070 --> 00:46:49,639
Whitey wasn't even
at the top in Boston.
890
00:46:50,674 --> 00:46:52,408
So you just look at that.
891
00:46:52,475 --> 00:46:53,876
It makes no sense
892
00:46:53,944 --> 00:46:56,056
unless they're really
trying to do something
893
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,859
other than what they're doing,
which is to take down Bill,
894
00:46:58,883 --> 00:47:01,662
because
of their hatred for Bill.
895
00:47:01,686 --> 00:47:03,986
[ominous music playing]
896
00:47:06,423 --> 00:47:08,958
[Bill] The big target
was my dad very often.
897
00:47:09,025 --> 00:47:11,138
You know, that's what I think
was going on.
898
00:47:11,162 --> 00:47:13,362
They would love to get
Senate President Bulger.
899
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:15,364
You know, they tried
numerous times
900
00:47:15,432 --> 00:47:18,100
to concoct stories and have
people come in.
901
00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:20,636
And if they could tie
my Uncle Jim to him
902
00:47:20,704 --> 00:47:22,950
in order to tear him down
in his career,
903
00:47:22,974 --> 00:47:24,540
they would make
a name for themselves.
904
00:47:27,978 --> 00:47:29,512
[Dan]
I've even read the headline,
905
00:47:29,579 --> 00:47:33,026
"William Bulger
Is the Head of the Mob."
906
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:36,986
There could be nothing
any further from the truth.
907
00:47:41,925 --> 00:47:44,994
[Shelley] I think the job
of the media is to lay it out,
908
00:47:45,061 --> 00:47:46,440
let people know.
909
00:47:46,464 --> 00:47:49,109
And I think
that if you're a politician,
910
00:47:49,133 --> 00:47:52,034
you're going to come under
a lot of scrutiny anyway.
911
00:47:54,538 --> 00:47:59,920
If you're a politician with a
brother who's killing people,
912
00:47:59,944 --> 00:48:01,855
part of the story
is the brother.
913
00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:02,945
I mean, that's part of it.
914
00:48:12,956 --> 00:48:17,004
[Alan Dershowitz] The investigation
was directed at an accusation
915
00:48:17,028 --> 00:48:20,830
that Senator Bulger had
committed a serious felony,
916
00:48:20,897 --> 00:48:26,235
namely, had accepted
a $250,000 bribe
917
00:48:26,303 --> 00:48:28,371
indirectly through another
attorney.
918
00:48:28,438 --> 00:48:31,752
I don't care whether you...
Listen, Mr. Chairman.
919
00:48:31,776 --> 00:48:35,555
There's never anybody has made
such an accusation against me,
920
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:38,492
except for Silverglate
and Dershowitz.
921
00:48:38,516 --> 00:48:42,318
He's been accused of all kinds
of crazy things in the media
922
00:48:42,385 --> 00:48:44,031
but never charged with anything.
923
00:48:44,055 --> 00:48:46,566
They are reckless
and they are liars
924
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:50,426
and they have no moral
constraints upon them.
925
00:48:51,128 --> 00:48:52,995
Look at them.
926
00:48:53,063 --> 00:48:55,442
They are beneath contempt
in my view
927
00:48:55,466 --> 00:48:58,245
I hope I'm making myself clear.
928
00:48:58,269 --> 00:49:00,536
[Jimmy] They throw around the
word "corrupt." He's not corrupt.
929
00:49:00,603 --> 00:49:04,384
He's the most honest guy
that has ever walked.
930
00:49:04,408 --> 00:49:07,321
The real sad part of the whole
story of the Bulgers
931
00:49:07,345 --> 00:49:09,145
is what they've done
to his reputation,
932
00:49:09,212 --> 00:49:12,081
because that narrative
is just absolutely false.
933
00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:16,652
[dramatic music playing]
934
00:49:21,958 --> 00:49:23,559
[Gelzinis]
There's two poles in the town.
935
00:49:23,626 --> 00:49:26,963
Then. Okay, there was
the criminal pole
936
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:28,742
and there was
the political pole.
937
00:49:28,766 --> 00:49:30,700
Two forces of gravity.
938
00:49:30,767 --> 00:49:34,303
And they were both controlled
by the Bulger brothers.
939
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:40,287
Those two brothers actually were
940
00:49:40,311 --> 00:49:42,578
the sort of center
of the universe
941
00:49:42,645 --> 00:49:44,758
in the town for a long time.
942
00:49:44,782 --> 00:49:46,849
[dramatic music continues]
943
00:49:59,463 --> 00:50:01,174
[animated music playing]
944
00:50:01,198 --> 00:50:03,733
[newsreader] Indicted this
week for 12 counts of racketeering
945
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:04,978
and extortion,
946
00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:08,204
James "Whitey" Bulger
is a shadowy figure
947
00:50:08,271 --> 00:50:11,207
caught on surveillance photos
and police wiretaps.
948
00:50:11,274 --> 00:50:12,608
[female newsreader] The FBI
revealed that Bulger
949
00:50:12,675 --> 00:50:15,255
had been
an underworld informant,
950
00:50:15,279 --> 00:50:17,924
helping them collect evidence
against the New England Mob.
951
00:50:17,948 --> 00:50:21,183
His handler was disgraced
FBI agent John Connolly.
952
00:50:22,952 --> 00:50:27,823
[Connolly] John Connolly
became an FBI agent in 1968.
953
00:50:27,891 --> 00:50:31,761
The FBI wanted to partner
with top criminals
954
00:50:31,828 --> 00:50:34,563
who had access
to other top criminals.
955
00:50:34,631 --> 00:50:37,700
They wanted to have a
long-term relationship with them,
956
00:50:37,767 --> 00:50:40,036
and they didn't want
anyone to know about it.
957
00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:42,972
Remember, these are our most
important assets that we have,
958
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:45,307
informants. I mean, they're
the name of the game.
959
00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:47,554
You're going to get friendly with
them and you're going to like them.
960
00:50:47,578 --> 00:50:51,013
But you never forget
who you work for.
961
00:50:51,782 --> 00:50:54,316
[brooding music playing]
962
00:50:54,384 --> 00:50:56,763
[Weeks] I didn't really know
about the friendly relationship
963
00:50:56,787 --> 00:50:59,121
between John Connolly
and Jim Bulger
964
00:50:59,189 --> 00:51:01,368
till, I'd say, early '80s.
965
00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:05,061
And I found out we're paying
John Connolly for information.
966
00:51:05,128 --> 00:51:06,996
The FBI is trying to do this.
967
00:51:07,063 --> 00:51:09,042
The State Police
are trying to do that.
968
00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:10,800
The DEA is trying to do this.
969
00:51:10,867 --> 00:51:12,446
The Boston Police
are trying to do that.
970
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:16,183
He let us know of all these
investigations going on, on us.
971
00:51:16,207 --> 00:51:17,807
And that's how
we avoided them all,
972
00:51:17,874 --> 00:51:19,708
because
we were getting tipped off.
973
00:51:22,212 --> 00:51:24,991
[Wallace] John Connolly idolized
Whitey when he was growing up as a kid.
974
00:51:25,015 --> 00:51:27,149
They grew up in the project,
both of them.
975
00:51:27,217 --> 00:51:29,529
Whitey saved him one
time he was getting beat up.
976
00:51:29,553 --> 00:51:32,999
I think he got taken care of
his whole life by Whitey.
977
00:51:33,023 --> 00:51:35,335
I mean, John would wear
these $5,000 suits
978
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:37,204
and these cuff links that cost
more than my house.
979
00:51:37,228 --> 00:51:38,672
And he had the hair all done.
980
00:51:38,696 --> 00:51:41,030
He looked like someone
out of Goodfellas.
981
00:51:42,899 --> 00:51:43,966
Whitey pulled him in.
982
00:51:44,033 --> 00:51:46,146
He pulled him in,
and then he got him in so far
983
00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:48,170
that he was in,
he couldn't get out.
984
00:51:50,907 --> 00:51:53,042
December 23, 1994.
985
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:55,644
John Connolly came down
to the liquor store.
986
00:51:55,712 --> 00:51:57,847
And he was looking for
Whitey and Stevie.
987
00:51:57,914 --> 00:51:59,048
He couldn't find them,
988
00:51:59,115 --> 00:52:01,383
so he come up to me
and he told me
989
00:52:01,451 --> 00:52:04,364
that the indictments
were coming down.
990
00:52:04,388 --> 00:52:07,056
So I called Jim Bulger,
I beeped him.
991
00:52:07,123 --> 00:52:09,903
He came down, saw me.
We took a ride.
992
00:52:09,927 --> 00:52:13,129
Within 30 minutes, he was
gone. Packed up and gone.
993
00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:17,766
[intriguing music]
994
00:52:54,971 --> 00:52:56,883
For the first
995
00:52:56,907 --> 00:53:01,877
35 years of my life,
I was Bill Bulger's son.
996
00:53:04,714 --> 00:53:08,117
Once all that burst onto
the scene with the arrests
997
00:53:08,184 --> 00:53:12,254
and him going on the run,
suddenly it flips.
998
00:53:12,322 --> 00:53:14,323
You become Jim Bulger's nephew.
999
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:17,971
You know, "Are you
related to that Bulger?"
1000
00:53:17,995 --> 00:53:20,440
No one ever asked me
that years ago.
1001
00:53:20,464 --> 00:53:24,311
They would ask me if I was
related to Bill, you know,
1002
00:53:24,335 --> 00:53:28,604
and it's kind of
turned on his head
1003
00:53:28,671 --> 00:53:32,007
because while my father was
a very visible person, right?
1004
00:53:32,075 --> 00:53:34,076
He had a very visible job,
1005
00:53:34,143 --> 00:53:37,146
and his brother, by nature,
was invisible.
1006
00:53:39,015 --> 00:53:40,126
Whatever he was doing,
1007
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:41,817
and we weren't
even totally aware
1008
00:53:41,884 --> 00:53:44,864
of what that fellow was doing.
No one is.
1009
00:53:44,888 --> 00:53:47,623
If you're in that life,
you keep it quiet.
1010
00:53:51,628 --> 00:53:53,273
Bear in mind,
1011
00:53:53,297 --> 00:53:56,432
until the time they heaped
all these charges on them,
1012
00:53:56,499 --> 00:53:59,813
there was, we never
had any idea, he, uh,
1013
00:53:59,837 --> 00:54:02,749
that these things
he was accused of,
1014
00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:05,218
that was not known.
1015
00:54:05,242 --> 00:54:06,976
None of us
would have known that.
1016
00:54:07,043 --> 00:54:09,245
Do you understand what I mean?
1017
00:54:09,312 --> 00:54:11,358
You know, being a bookmaker
is different.
1018
00:54:11,382 --> 00:54:12,381
You know?
1019
00:54:12,448 --> 00:54:13,827
There was a booking in every bar
1020
00:54:13,851 --> 00:54:15,317
and someone had to be the bank.
1021
00:54:15,385 --> 00:54:18,254
But I don't, you know, as far
as all the other charges.
1022
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:20,556
No one...
1023
00:54:25,061 --> 00:54:27,596
[ominous music]
1024
00:54:38,408 --> 00:54:40,587
[woman] Whitey Bulger's
relationship with the FBI
1025
00:54:40,611 --> 00:54:43,323
was exposed shortly
after he went on the run.
1026
00:54:43,347 --> 00:54:46,081
[Kevin] We all believe we
were paying for this information.
1027
00:54:46,149 --> 00:54:47,994
Then it all came out
1028
00:54:48,018 --> 00:54:50,263
that not only were we paying
for information,
1029
00:54:50,287 --> 00:54:51,954
but they were given information.
1030
00:54:53,222 --> 00:54:55,201
And it destroyed all of us.
1031
00:54:55,225 --> 00:54:58,360
I mean, a lot of us were
devastated by it
1032
00:54:58,428 --> 00:55:02,142
because we believed that
we were paying for information.
1033
00:55:02,166 --> 00:55:04,500
And we couldn't believe it,
he was an informant.
1034
00:55:07,904 --> 00:55:09,471
[intriguing music]
1035
00:55:13,176 --> 00:55:16,979
The informant file that was
alleged to have been
1036
00:55:17,046 --> 00:55:18,758
his contained information.
1037
00:55:18,782 --> 00:55:21,161
He provided this poor fiction.
1038
00:55:21,185 --> 00:55:24,253
[intriguing music continues]
1039
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,324
The first page is a report that
says something along the lines,
1040
00:55:28,391 --> 00:55:31,171
"Informant said that somebody
may have been involved
1041
00:55:31,195 --> 00:55:32,328
in a crime."
1042
00:55:32,395 --> 00:55:35,308
The very last page of this file
1043
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:37,800
is the same exact report
with a different date on it
1044
00:55:38,802 --> 00:55:40,769
down to the syllables
and everything.
1045
00:55:43,740 --> 00:55:48,210
An expert has looked at them
and said,
1046
00:55:48,277 --> 00:55:51,413
"This guy wasn't a informant.
This is nonsense."
1047
00:55:51,481 --> 00:55:54,016
And I put some previse in that.
1048
00:55:56,486 --> 00:55:58,598
The thing that convinces me
the most
1049
00:55:58,622 --> 00:56:00,667
that he was not in informant
1050
00:56:00,691 --> 00:56:04,626
is the intensity with which
the Department of Justice
1051
00:56:04,694 --> 00:56:06,495
insisted that he was
an informant.
1052
00:56:09,966 --> 00:56:12,145
They didn't insist
so much and so hard
1053
00:56:12,169 --> 00:56:14,169
that he had murdered somebody
1054
00:56:14,237 --> 00:56:17,106
or robbed this bank or
done this crime or that crime.
1055
00:56:17,173 --> 00:56:20,642
It was that thing they want
to be true so much.
1056
00:56:22,111 --> 00:56:25,914
So why would the government
want this so badly to be true?
1057
00:56:28,051 --> 00:56:29,963
I don't know quite the answer
to that question,
1058
00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:33,789
but I believe the case
is that were not true.
1059
00:56:33,856 --> 00:56:37,036
The relationship
between Jim Bulger
1060
00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:39,506
and the Department of Justice
was solely
1061
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:42,197
that Jim Bulger
was bribing them all.
1062
00:56:45,735 --> 00:56:46,846
[woman] Where is Whitey?
1063
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:49,872
It's a game the FBI
is sick of playing.
1064
00:56:49,939 --> 00:56:51,518
The latest possible sighting
1065
00:56:51,542 --> 00:56:53,942
of South Boston's
most notorious gangster
1066
00:56:54,010 --> 00:56:57,323
and his mob
of all places, Sicily,
1067
00:56:57,347 --> 00:56:59,459
birthplace of the Mafia.
1068
00:56:59,483 --> 00:57:01,750
The prize for the winner
of where's Whitey
1069
00:57:01,818 --> 00:57:04,086
is a cool million dollars.
1070
00:57:04,153 --> 00:57:06,955
That's the bounty
on his snowy white head.
1071
00:57:07,023 --> 00:57:08,690
[Shelley] Well, he's on the run.
1072
00:57:08,758 --> 00:57:11,360
This is when the whole case
blows up.
1073
00:57:11,427 --> 00:57:12,628
[reporter] New York's
Time Square.
1074
00:57:12,695 --> 00:57:14,941
A billboard showing
the FBI's new push
1075
00:57:14,965 --> 00:57:19,012
to find one of their most wanted
fugitives, James Whitey Bulger.
1076
00:57:19,036 --> 00:57:21,281
[Shelley] They put him
on the FBI's ten most wanted.
1077
00:57:21,305 --> 00:57:25,418
The pressure is really
on the FBI to find him.
1078
00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:27,509
[Kevin] Part of it was because
it was such an embarrassment
1079
00:57:27,577 --> 00:57:28,577
to the FBI.
1080
00:57:28,644 --> 00:57:32,692
They wanted him so bad
that they boost them up,
1081
00:57:32,716 --> 00:57:34,917
you know, and they could
never catch him.
1082
00:57:34,984 --> 00:57:38,720
So it just became
like Elvis sightings,
1083
00:57:38,788 --> 00:57:40,300
all around the world
at one point.
1084
00:57:40,324 --> 00:57:42,391
You know,
"He's there, he's there."
1085
00:57:44,327 --> 00:57:46,762
[intense music]
1086
00:57:49,198 --> 00:57:52,734
The big part of my
uncle's persona is a myth.
1087
00:57:54,270 --> 00:57:56,249
When you're in a business
that he was in,
1088
00:57:56,273 --> 00:57:58,407
you want people to think
you're tougher than you are
1089
00:57:58,474 --> 00:57:59,875
and it protects you.
1090
00:57:59,942 --> 00:58:03,256
So there is a myth
that you bring on yourself.
1091
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,527
I believe that the media
helps to create that myth
1092
00:58:07,551 --> 00:58:08,784
later in his life.
1093
00:58:10,887 --> 00:58:14,156
As he fled, there was
no defense, right?
1094
00:58:14,223 --> 00:58:15,657
The myth takes off on its own.
1095
00:58:18,494 --> 00:58:20,963
[Kevin] Johny Depp
might have looked like him,
1096
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:22,531
but he didn't act like him.
1097
00:58:25,101 --> 00:58:26,813
Get in the fucking car.
1098
00:58:26,837 --> 00:58:28,147
[Kevin] It is a mystical movie.
1099
00:58:28,171 --> 00:58:29,949
It should be made
by Walt Disney.
1100
00:58:29,973 --> 00:58:32,685
I saw the movie and I couldn't
believe that that was
1101
00:58:32,709 --> 00:58:34,843
what was supposed to be
portrayed as our life
1102
00:58:34,911 --> 00:58:35,978
what we did, what we lived.
1103
00:58:37,246 --> 00:58:38,981
It was made up. It was fantasy.
1104
00:58:40,517 --> 00:58:42,317
And no one knew where he was.
1105
00:58:45,054 --> 00:58:46,833
[Catherine] And we were
all through the country
1106
00:58:46,857 --> 00:58:48,768
for a year, a year and a half.
1107
00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:50,325
We just drove and drove
1108
00:58:50,393 --> 00:58:52,661
and we would see signs
on the road and we think,
1109
00:58:52,728 --> 00:58:53,795
"Oh, we never heard of that.
1110
00:58:53,863 --> 00:58:55,931
Let's go travel down there
and see what that's like."
1111
00:58:55,998 --> 00:58:58,800
And Santa Monica, he had been in
1112
00:58:58,868 --> 00:59:02,315
and it was nice because the
ocean was there, the beaches
1113
00:59:02,339 --> 00:59:07,009
and it was just the climate
that, oh, that was fabulous.
1114
00:59:09,212 --> 00:59:11,658
We were
on the California freeway
1115
00:59:11,682 --> 00:59:15,417
and it was beating hot day,
brutally hot.
1116
00:59:15,484 --> 00:59:20,088
And he saw an elderly couple
with a Volkswagen camper
1117
00:59:20,156 --> 00:59:21,557
that had broken down
1118
00:59:21,624 --> 00:59:24,159
and he put the vehicle
in reverse and got out.
1119
00:59:24,226 --> 00:59:27,596
And he spent probably the
next hour changing the tire,
1120
00:59:27,630 --> 00:59:31,366
talking to the man and woman
doing this and that.
1121
00:59:31,434 --> 00:59:38,151
That's the kind of person he
was, a very kind, giving person.
1122
00:59:38,175 --> 00:59:43,245
And he was kind to me,
my family, but strangers.
1123
00:59:45,114 --> 00:59:46,559
I think even the workers
1124
00:59:46,583 --> 00:59:48,428
that lived in the building
that we were at,
1125
00:59:48,452 --> 00:59:50,252
he was always
trying to help them.
1126
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:52,254
There were a couple
of single mothers in there
1127
00:59:52,321 --> 00:59:54,100
and he always tried to help them
1128
00:59:54,124 --> 00:59:55,924
play with the kids out
in the lobby,
1129
00:59:55,992 --> 00:59:58,393
leave things
in front of the door,
1130
00:59:58,461 --> 00:59:59,595
deliver the mail.
1131
00:59:59,662 --> 01:00:01,463
Just to be helpful to people.
1132
01:00:05,267 --> 01:00:08,670
I remember the day we were on
Venice Beach in the summer time,
1133
01:00:08,738 --> 01:00:13,408
sitting on a bench, and then
about eight policemen came up
1134
01:00:13,476 --> 01:00:15,210
and they just stopped
in front of us.
1135
01:00:15,277 --> 01:00:19,926
And my first thing is, uh-oh, and
he's just calm and looking at them
1136
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:21,594
and one stepped forward
and he said,
1137
01:00:21,618 --> 01:00:24,219
"You know,
I'm going to retire soon.
1138
01:00:24,286 --> 01:00:27,356
And I hope my wife and I are
as happy as you people are."
1139
01:00:27,423 --> 01:00:28,457
[sighs]
1140
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,294
I guess we did feel freer there.
1141
01:00:35,231 --> 01:00:37,143
I can remember
somebody saying to me
1142
01:00:37,167 --> 01:00:39,212
when we first were arrested,
1143
01:00:39,236 --> 01:00:40,302
"Aren't you relieved
1144
01:00:40,369 --> 01:00:42,815
"you don't have to look over
your shoulder?" [laughs]
1145
01:00:42,839 --> 01:00:44,172
Are you crazy?
1146
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,908
I never looked on my shoulder.
1147
01:00:46,976 --> 01:00:50,445
We stayed in the same
building, the same apartment.
1148
01:00:53,516 --> 01:00:55,050
We didn't worry.
1149
01:00:56,452 --> 01:00:59,721
We've had a wonderful life
in Santa Monica, really.
1150
01:01:01,524 --> 01:01:02,991
[intense music]
1151
01:01:04,927 --> 01:01:07,840
[Rep. Burton] Edmund Burke
said that the only thing necessary
1152
01:01:07,864 --> 01:01:12,067
for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing.
1153
01:01:12,134 --> 01:01:14,113
He wasn't talking
about why we're here,
1154
01:01:14,137 --> 01:01:16,983
but he might just
as well have been.
1155
01:01:17,007 --> 01:01:21,143
Rogue members of the FBI
up to the highest levels
1156
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:25,080
protected informants at the
expense of innocent people.
1157
01:01:25,147 --> 01:01:28,083
Informants committed murders
with impunity.
1158
01:01:28,818 --> 01:01:30,263
Killers were tipped off
1159
01:01:30,287 --> 01:01:32,754
so that they could flee
before being arrested.
1160
01:01:32,822 --> 01:01:35,468
And when people went
to the Justice Department
1161
01:01:35,492 --> 01:01:38,427
and the FBI with evidence
about murderers,
1162
01:01:38,494 --> 01:01:40,829
some of them wound up dead.
1163
01:01:43,833 --> 01:01:45,767
Did you talk to your brother
1164
01:01:45,835 --> 01:01:47,703
about rumors that he was
a government informant?
1165
01:01:47,770 --> 01:01:49,638
No. I don't believe so.
1166
01:01:49,705 --> 01:01:52,285
Did you know that he was
involved in murder?
1167
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:53,486
No, I do not. I just...
1168
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:55,711
Did you know he was involved
in narcotics trafficking?
1169
01:01:55,778 --> 01:01:56,956
No.
1170
01:01:56,980 --> 01:01:59,826
Did you ever use
any of your authority to, uh,
1171
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:02,517
to chastise
or threaten people that,
1172
01:02:02,585 --> 01:02:04,186
that were after your brother?
1173
01:02:04,721 --> 01:02:06,299
No. Never.
1174
01:02:06,323 --> 01:02:09,324
In retrospect, giving
your power and prestige,
1175
01:02:09,391 --> 01:02:11,904
did you ever discourage
law enforcement
1176
01:02:11,928 --> 01:02:13,195
from doing everything
1177
01:02:13,262 --> 01:02:14,907
it could go after your brother?
1178
01:02:14,931 --> 01:02:15,831
Never.
1179
01:02:18,134 --> 01:02:19,378
With the Chairman's indulgence,
1180
01:02:19,402 --> 01:02:22,849
I would like to offer
a few words about my brother.
1181
01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:25,518
Many words
have been written about him.
1182
01:02:25,542 --> 01:02:27,342
A few have been spoken by me.
1183
01:02:29,211 --> 01:02:31,813
So please allow me
to speak plainly.
1184
01:02:31,881 --> 01:02:35,862
I do not know
where my brother is.
1185
01:02:35,886 --> 01:02:41,667
I do not know where he has
been over the past eight years.
1186
01:02:41,691 --> 01:02:46,005
I have not aided James Bulger
in any way.
1187
01:02:46,029 --> 01:02:48,330
While he has been a fugitive.
1188
01:02:49,231 --> 01:02:51,811
Do I possess information
that could lead
1189
01:02:51,835 --> 01:02:54,169
to my brother's arrest?
1190
01:02:54,236 --> 01:02:56,505
The honest answer is no.
1191
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,710
I know my brother stands
accused of many things.
1192
01:03:01,777 --> 01:03:04,579
Serious crimes, brutal crimes.
1193
01:03:05,715 --> 01:03:07,093
I do still live in the hope
1194
01:03:07,117 --> 01:03:09,251
that the worst of the charges
against him
1195
01:03:09,318 --> 01:03:11,052
will prove groundless.
1196
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,220
It is my hope.
1197
01:03:13,656 --> 01:03:14,956
But I am ever mindful
1198
01:03:16,058 --> 01:03:18,260
of the Good Shepherd story
1199
01:03:18,327 --> 01:03:22,597
and its lesson that
no one is to be abandoned.
1200
01:03:22,665 --> 01:03:25,711
I care deeply for my brother.
1201
01:03:25,735 --> 01:03:28,603
But no one should construe
my expression of concern
1202
01:03:28,671 --> 01:03:32,785
in any way
condoning any illegal acts.
1203
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:35,277
Nor should anyone think
that I ever take lightly
1204
01:03:35,344 --> 01:03:36,278
this entire matter.
1205
01:03:38,147 --> 01:03:41,060
Among the constituents
of my legislative district
1206
01:03:41,084 --> 01:03:43,685
and in the Massachusetts
Senate, there was always
1207
01:03:43,752 --> 01:03:45,887
an awareness of my brother.
1208
01:03:45,955 --> 01:03:48,557
It was never a secret.
1209
01:03:48,624 --> 01:03:51,426
But people understood
that we were different people
1210
01:03:51,493 --> 01:03:55,597
who lived different lives and
should be judged separately.
1211
01:04:01,237 --> 01:04:02,904
[female newsreader]
After months of controversy
1212
01:04:02,972 --> 01:04:04,150
surrounding his post,
1213
01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:06,141
the President of the
University of Massachusetts
1214
01:04:06,175 --> 01:04:07,175
is stepping down
1215
01:04:07,243 --> 01:04:09,422
and it all has to do
with his brother
1216
01:04:09,446 --> 01:04:12,848
who happens to be one
of the FBI's ten most wanted.
1217
01:04:12,915 --> 01:04:13,826
[male journalist] For months,
1218
01:04:13,850 --> 01:04:15,317
Massachusetts Governor,
Mitt Romney
1219
01:04:15,384 --> 01:04:18,453
and the State attorney general
have called for his resignation.
1220
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,702
The University board
held out until now.
1221
01:04:22,726 --> 01:04:26,105
[W Bulger] I deeply appreciate
the strong vote of confidence
1222
01:04:26,129 --> 01:04:29,464
that you gave me
just six weeks ago,
1223
01:04:29,531 --> 01:04:34,035
as well as your willingness
to judge me on my own merits.
1224
01:04:37,273 --> 01:04:40,675
I think that Bill Bulger taking
the Fifth before Congress
1225
01:04:40,743 --> 01:04:44,746
is what gave then Governor
Romney the leverage he needed
1226
01:04:44,813 --> 01:04:48,817
to get Bill Bulger out
as President of UMass.
1227
01:04:49,885 --> 01:04:51,186
[soft music]
1228
01:04:52,688 --> 01:04:54,522
I'll never forgive Romney
1229
01:04:55,358 --> 01:04:56,936
for what he did to Bill
1230
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,871
when Bill was proving to be
1231
01:04:58,895 --> 01:05:00,139
one of the most
effective presidents
1232
01:05:00,163 --> 01:05:03,098
at the University of
Massachusetts we'd ever had.
1233
01:05:03,165 --> 01:05:04,633
It was all about the brother.
1234
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:06,968
[gentle piano tune]
1235
01:05:07,036 --> 01:05:10,216
[Christine] We saw that his
family was being subjected
1236
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,973
to things because of him.
1237
01:05:12,041 --> 01:05:14,887
And he would have felt
so bad about that.
1238
01:05:14,911 --> 01:05:15,944
[sobbing]
1239
01:05:18,381 --> 01:05:21,516
But he does what he wanted
to do later in life is,
1240
01:05:21,583 --> 01:05:23,362
I have to answer these things
1241
01:05:23,386 --> 01:05:26,087
because my poor family...
1242
01:05:29,325 --> 01:05:31,237
[sobbing] That really
troubled him.
1243
01:05:31,261 --> 01:05:32,761
[piano music continues]
1244
01:05:34,596 --> 01:05:35,997
[Mary] My husband worked hard,
1245
01:05:36,065 --> 01:05:39,512
and you would think
he would be treated fairly,
1246
01:05:39,536 --> 01:05:41,836
but it didn't work that way.
1247
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:47,386
You learn to handle it
when you live with Bill.
1248
01:05:47,410 --> 01:05:49,878
Bill tells you you can't
let it get to you.
1249
01:05:49,945 --> 01:05:52,013
We just keep on going
the way you are
1250
01:05:52,081 --> 01:05:53,148
and don't worry about that.
1251
01:05:53,215 --> 01:05:54,182
That will work out.
1252
01:05:58,954 --> 01:06:00,155
[female newsreader]
And breaking news.
1253
01:06:00,222 --> 01:06:02,757
A crime boss from
the FBI's ten most wanted list
1254
01:06:02,825 --> 01:06:06,094
finally captured tonight
here in Southern California.
1255
01:06:06,161 --> 01:06:07,473
[male reeporter]
What a night this is.
1256
01:06:07,497 --> 01:06:10,565
The so called globe trotting
godfather of South Boston
1257
01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:12,901
arrested tonight on the
streets of Santa Monica.
1258
01:06:12,968 --> 01:06:15,548
He and his girlfriend
arrested here.
1259
01:06:15,572 --> 01:06:17,305
Whitey is in custody.
1260
01:06:19,642 --> 01:06:21,343
[suspenseful music]
1261
01:06:27,249 --> 01:06:29,651
[Shelley] They finally
find him 16 years later,
1262
01:06:29,718 --> 01:06:31,564
living in
a rent control department
1263
01:06:31,588 --> 01:06:33,232
in Santa Monica, California,
1264
01:06:33,256 --> 01:06:36,992
with $822,000
stuffed in the wall.
1265
01:06:38,794 --> 01:06:40,462
Oh, and by the way, he's caught
1266
01:06:40,529 --> 01:06:42,842
because his girlfriend
is feeding a cat.
1267
01:06:42,866 --> 01:06:46,868
And former Miss Iceland notices
how kind they are at the cat
1268
01:06:46,935 --> 01:06:50,583
and then recognizes them when
she's sitting back in Reykjavik
1269
01:06:50,607 --> 01:06:53,386
from an episode
of like 2020 or something.
1270
01:06:53,410 --> 01:06:56,111
I mean, she calls in the FBI,
and they capture him.
1271
01:06:58,748 --> 01:07:00,726
[Christine] In his mind,
he always knew
1272
01:07:00,750 --> 01:07:04,019
there was a potential
for that day to come.
1273
01:07:04,086 --> 01:07:06,399
He was emotionally very bad.
Yeah, he was.
1274
01:07:06,423 --> 01:07:07,867
He was.
1275
01:07:07,891 --> 01:07:09,190
He was a realist.
1276
01:07:10,092 --> 01:07:12,071
When they brought him
back to town,
1277
01:07:12,095 --> 01:07:15,541
I likened it to Caesar
when he captured Vercingetorix
1278
01:07:15,565 --> 01:07:17,632
and brought him back to Rome
for the triumph.
1279
01:07:17,699 --> 01:07:20,035
And the man is
in shackles in a cage
1280
01:07:20,102 --> 01:07:22,170
and he's coming
into the city of Rome
1281
01:07:22,237 --> 01:07:23,838
and going through the archway.
1282
01:07:23,906 --> 01:07:26,685
That's what they were doing
here in Boston.
1283
01:07:26,709 --> 01:07:28,643
We were the bad Bulgers.
1284
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:31,646
It's continually,
you hear that drumbeat.
1285
01:07:31,713 --> 01:07:33,292
[reporter] Mr. Bulger,
what do you think
1286
01:07:33,316 --> 01:07:35,316
that your brother is
in prison right now?
1287
01:07:36,652 --> 01:07:38,319
Can you tell us about this book
1288
01:07:38,387 --> 01:07:41,734
that his niece and nephew
are writing?
1289
01:07:41,758 --> 01:07:44,559
[Mary Bulger Hurley] I remember
when Osama bin Laden got caught.
1290
01:07:44,626 --> 01:07:46,961
Osama bin Laden
had some relatives
1291
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:49,497
living in Cambridge,
Massachusetts
1292
01:07:49,565 --> 01:07:52,011
and everybody came
out defending those relatives
1293
01:07:52,035 --> 01:07:53,501
in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
1294
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:55,214
They could make the distinction
1295
01:07:55,238 --> 01:07:57,950
between these
Osama bin Laden relatives
1296
01:07:57,974 --> 01:07:59,685
and Osama bin Laden
1297
01:07:59,709 --> 01:08:03,378
who was top on the most wanted
list or something.
1298
01:08:03,445 --> 01:08:05,513
And I was thinking, "How can
they make the distinction"
1299
01:08:05,581 --> 01:08:07,248
of them, but not for us?
1300
01:08:07,316 --> 01:08:09,628
Why can't people see that?
1301
01:08:09,652 --> 01:08:11,753
We are not all, you know...
1302
01:08:13,122 --> 01:08:15,390
Whitey Bulger.
1303
01:08:15,457 --> 01:08:17,058
[sirens wailing]
1304
01:08:20,462 --> 01:08:24,510
[reporter] Are you happy to
see your brother or anything?
1305
01:08:24,534 --> 01:08:26,034
No. I gave a statement.
1306
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:29,715
"My father said, "I'm going
down to the courthouse.
1307
01:08:29,739 --> 01:08:31,072
"I want him to see me."
1308
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:33,174
So he went on
with one of my brothers
1309
01:08:33,242 --> 01:08:35,955
and my other uncle Jack,
1310
01:08:35,979 --> 01:08:38,446
and they went down to the
court house to sit in the front row,
1311
01:08:38,514 --> 01:08:40,025
so that Jimmy saw them
1312
01:08:40,049 --> 01:08:42,450
so that he knew
that they care about him.
1313
01:08:43,652 --> 01:08:47,900
The 2013 trial of Whitey
Bulger was totally unnecessary
1314
01:08:47,924 --> 01:08:52,104
because Whitey was willing
to plead guilty to all charges
1315
01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:55,930
on the condition that
Catherine Greig get a break.
1316
01:08:55,998 --> 01:08:59,111
Let her off we don't need
a trial, I'll plead guilty.
1317
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:01,514
And I'll do the rest
of my life in prison.
1318
01:09:01,538 --> 01:09:03,071
He was in his 80s at the time,
1319
01:09:03,138 --> 01:09:05,406
but they didn't want
to let him do it
1320
01:09:05,474 --> 01:09:07,609
because they wanted
to put on this big show.
1321
01:09:07,676 --> 01:09:10,856
The Globe and the media
had created this huge myth
1322
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,525
out of James Bulger.
1323
01:09:12,549 --> 01:09:14,149
And then
the US Attorney's office
1324
01:09:14,216 --> 01:09:15,861
comes in strong afterwards.
1325
01:09:15,885 --> 01:09:19,798
[Shelley] The prosecution
presented 63 witnesses in 30 days.
1326
01:09:19,822 --> 01:09:22,001
Victims, drug dealers and hitmen
1327
01:09:22,025 --> 01:09:24,893
who are serving time
for murder and plea deals.
1328
01:09:26,428 --> 01:09:29,542
[Kevin] I hadn't talked to Jim
Bulger until I saw him in court
1329
01:09:29,566 --> 01:09:31,610
at his trial
1330
01:09:31,634 --> 01:09:34,947
and I was sitting as close
as I am to you away from him
1331
01:09:34,971 --> 01:09:36,638
maybe nine, ten feet.
1332
01:09:36,705 --> 01:09:38,350
And he wouldn't look at me
at all.
1333
01:09:38,374 --> 01:09:41,442
And I kept on staring at him,
and he wouldn't look at me.
1334
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:44,423
You know, I just wanted
to know why you did this.
1335
01:09:44,447 --> 01:09:47,115
You know, explain it to me,
1336
01:09:47,182 --> 01:09:49,217
and he wouldn't
look at me at all.
1337
01:09:51,253 --> 01:09:54,099
I never gave up
anybody in my life
1338
01:09:54,123 --> 01:09:55,768
and I'm disappointed
1339
01:09:55,792 --> 01:09:57,770
because he was my mentor
and everything.
1340
01:09:57,794 --> 01:09:59,194
And I believed
everything he said.
1341
01:09:59,261 --> 01:10:01,373
There's nothing
I wouldn't have done for him.
1342
01:10:01,397 --> 01:10:03,331
And now I find out
you're an informant.
1343
01:10:05,534 --> 01:10:09,448
[Jimmy] When you swear in
court to give your testimony,
1344
01:10:09,472 --> 01:10:12,006
it's swearing to tell the truth.
1345
01:10:12,074 --> 01:10:14,809
If you've arrested
half a dozen guys
1346
01:10:14,876 --> 01:10:16,411
and threaten them
with life in prison,
1347
01:10:16,478 --> 01:10:18,813
but if they talk
about this other guy
1348
01:10:18,847 --> 01:10:21,149
they can only do six years.
1349
01:10:21,216 --> 01:10:22,951
Well, they're talking
about that other guy
1350
01:10:23,018 --> 01:10:24,953
because it's worth more
than gold or currency.
1351
01:10:25,020 --> 01:10:26,665
It's freedom.
1352
01:10:26,689 --> 01:10:29,602
Some of these fellas
that testified against them
1353
01:10:29,626 --> 01:10:32,193
were admitting
to ten murders or more.
1354
01:10:34,896 --> 01:10:38,566
Are you crazy or just nuts?
1355
01:10:38,634 --> 01:10:41,302
I know you're mourning.
And I'm sorry for you loss
1356
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:43,749
but we have something
much bigger here. We have--
1357
01:10:43,773 --> 01:10:46,151
What's the "bigger here"?
What's here?
1358
01:10:46,175 --> 01:10:48,843
Tell me what's here. What's...
1359
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:52,113
[woman] So you take the crimes
of these five individuals,
1360
01:10:52,180 --> 01:10:54,093
plus a few more, you know,
1361
01:10:54,117 --> 01:10:58,097
and you put it
in the scales of justice...
1362
01:10:58,121 --> 01:11:00,899
How do their combined crimes
1363
01:11:00,923 --> 01:11:04,192
which include
at least 100 murders
1364
01:11:04,259 --> 01:11:07,773
weigh less than the crimes
of James Bulger?
1365
01:11:07,797 --> 01:11:10,509
The scales of justice
were altered,
1366
01:11:10,533 --> 01:11:12,667
and the question is why.
1367
01:11:12,734 --> 01:11:16,515
[man] After 16 years as a fugitive,
Boston mob boss Whitey Bulger
1368
01:11:16,539 --> 01:11:19,518
learned his fate Thursday
for a reign of terror
1369
01:11:19,542 --> 01:11:21,320
in the 1970s and '80s.
1370
01:11:21,344 --> 01:11:23,856
The 84-year-old has been
sentenced to life in prison
1371
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,347
for 11 killings
and a string of other charges,
1372
01:11:26,415 --> 01:11:28,661
including extortion
and money laundering.
1373
01:11:28,685 --> 01:11:30,996
[woman] Today is the day
that many in this city
1374
01:11:31,020 --> 01:11:33,354
thought would never come.
1375
01:11:33,422 --> 01:11:36,891
James J. "Whitey" Bulger
now stands convicted
1376
01:11:36,958 --> 01:11:39,405
for his role as the ring leader
1377
01:11:39,429 --> 01:11:41,940
of the murderous
Winter Hill Gang.
1378
01:11:41,964 --> 01:11:44,299
This day of reckoning for Bulger
1379
01:11:44,366 --> 01:11:46,567
has been a long time in coming.
1380
01:11:49,304 --> 01:11:54,019
Jim Bulger is my uncle,
and he's still family to me.
1381
01:11:54,043 --> 01:12:00,081
But I am aware that now,
in retrospect, he hurt people
1382
01:12:02,918 --> 01:12:06,165
The families that were left,
some kids that I played with
1383
01:12:06,189 --> 01:12:08,233
when I was younger,
who didn't have a father
1384
01:12:08,257 --> 01:12:11,103
and I didn't realize
until 30 or 40 years later
1385
01:12:11,127 --> 01:12:13,995
why they didn't have a father.
1386
01:12:14,062 --> 01:12:17,532
[man] There's no way to equate
what our family has gone through
1387
01:12:17,599 --> 01:12:21,813
with what the victims of the
crime families have gone through.
1388
01:12:21,837 --> 01:12:23,471
They've suffered terribly.
1389
01:12:23,538 --> 01:12:26,174
The Bulgers are not
in that bucket.
1390
01:12:29,211 --> 01:12:30,878
[Catherine]
It's very difficult for me,
1391
01:12:30,946 --> 01:12:34,148
almost impossible for me to say
1392
01:12:34,216 --> 01:12:35,883
he was like this,
1393
01:12:35,951 --> 01:12:38,286
and this is the way I was
with him in Santa Monica
1394
01:12:38,353 --> 01:12:39,665
and how he lived
1395
01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:41,333
and he did that.
1396
01:12:41,357 --> 01:12:44,603
I mean,
it's hard for me to see that
1397
01:12:44,627 --> 01:12:47,940
but I'm not diminishing
their suffering at all.
1398
01:12:47,964 --> 01:12:49,864
I mean, I know they lost people.
1399
01:12:51,166 --> 01:12:52,900
Uh...
1400
01:12:54,102 --> 01:12:56,671
I don't know. I'm sorry.
1401
01:12:58,707 --> 01:13:01,175
[brooding piano tune]
1402
01:13:13,588 --> 01:13:17,458
[Jean Bulger Holland]
I feel sorry for him at times.
1403
01:13:17,526 --> 01:13:19,705
Then I could be angry.
1404
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:22,574
He's been his own worst enemy.
1405
01:13:22,598 --> 01:13:26,000
And I know
he never expected the fallout.
1406
01:13:26,067 --> 01:13:28,803
But you don't even know--
Does he have the capacity,
1407
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:32,607
for him to look beyond
what his own little life is,
1408
01:13:32,674 --> 01:13:33,719
you know,
1409
01:13:33,743 --> 01:13:37,211
and see how it's
affected anybody else?
1410
01:13:37,279 --> 01:13:39,914
I'm not sure that he...
He goes there.
1411
01:13:42,151 --> 01:13:43,351
[William] I wrote to him
1412
01:13:43,418 --> 01:13:46,187
all the years he was in prison.
1413
01:13:47,222 --> 01:13:49,524
You know, I cared...
I care about him.
1414
01:13:50,692 --> 01:13:52,693
I'm not sure
1415
01:13:52,761 --> 01:13:54,896
if he was listening
attentively to me.
1416
01:14:02,237 --> 01:14:04,016
[woman] I really loved my mother
1417
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,774
but could never express it
with words.
1418
01:14:08,243 --> 01:14:10,355
Fortunately,
my brother Bill could
1419
01:14:10,379 --> 01:14:13,181
and always said the right
things to her and my father
1420
01:14:13,248 --> 01:14:14,916
in their last moments.
1421
01:14:14,983 --> 01:14:16,762
"I can see the room."
1422
01:14:16,786 --> 01:14:20,188
"My mother in it in so much pain"
1423
01:14:20,255 --> 01:14:22,490
"but I couldn't do
anything for her."
1424
01:14:25,327 --> 01:14:27,639
After the trial,
I wanted to find out
1425
01:14:27,663 --> 01:14:31,910
what we were told, and I went
to the Plymouth Prison
1426
01:14:31,934 --> 01:14:33,512
and got Bulger's information.
1427
01:14:33,536 --> 01:14:35,336
He was an inmate there.
1428
01:14:35,403 --> 01:14:37,271
And find out
how to write to him.
1429
01:14:37,339 --> 01:14:38,584
And I did send him a letter
1430
01:14:38,608 --> 01:14:40,341
and explained
that I was on the jury
1431
01:14:40,408 --> 01:14:41,876
and I just had questions.
1432
01:14:43,478 --> 01:14:46,347
When he talked
about the criminality
1433
01:14:46,414 --> 01:14:48,616
there was a harshness to him.
1434
01:14:48,683 --> 01:14:51,619
But then he would start
talking about his family,
1435
01:14:51,686 --> 01:14:54,466
and there would be
just this softness
1436
01:14:54,490 --> 01:14:56,591
a kindness, a compassion.
1437
01:14:58,894 --> 01:15:02,964
Even in the very first letters,
Jim talked about Catherine
1438
01:15:03,031 --> 01:15:06,234
and how he had wanted
to take the death sentence
1439
01:15:06,301 --> 01:15:08,436
and have her get out of prison.
1440
01:15:10,772 --> 01:15:13,085
[newsreader] "Whitey" Bulger's
girlfriend, Catherine Greig,
1441
01:15:13,109 --> 01:15:14,953
just learned that she'll spend
1442
01:15:14,977 --> 01:15:17,111
an additional 21 months
behind bars,
1443
01:15:17,178 --> 01:15:18,579
almost two years.
1444
01:15:18,647 --> 01:15:20,314
Greig is already serving
an eight year sentence
1445
01:15:20,382 --> 01:15:21,883
for helping Bulger
evade capture.
1446
01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:26,187
[man] The government wanted
to punish her
1447
01:15:26,254 --> 01:15:28,523
because it was the only way
they could really get
1448
01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:30,992
at Jim Bulger,
make him hurt more.
1449
01:15:31,059 --> 01:15:35,463
The judge allowed every
alleged victim of Jim Bulger
1450
01:15:35,530 --> 01:15:38,933
who had no relevance
whatsoever to Catherine Greig
1451
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,134
to come into court
1452
01:15:40,201 --> 01:15:42,114
and call her
a dirty little bitch.
1453
01:15:42,138 --> 01:15:45,517
And they yelled at her,
and the...
1454
01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:48,142
No judge should allow
their courtroom
1455
01:15:48,209 --> 01:15:49,677
to be used like that.
1456
01:15:49,744 --> 01:15:50,978
It was disgusting.
1457
01:15:52,681 --> 01:15:56,795
[Catherine] I didn't have a
trial. I pled guilty to the charges,
1458
01:15:56,819 --> 01:16:00,154
but my sentence was still
the longest in US history
1459
01:16:00,221 --> 01:16:01,556
for what I was charged with.
1460
01:16:04,092 --> 01:16:07,828
I wasn't given that long
sentence for what I did.
1461
01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:09,408
I was given that long sentence
1462
01:16:09,432 --> 01:16:11,232
and the last thing
the judge said to me
1463
01:16:11,299 --> 01:16:12,811
when I left the courtroom was,
1464
01:16:12,835 --> 01:16:15,303
"Now, if you come back
and speak to us,"
1465
01:16:15,370 --> 01:16:16,504
'cause I wouldn't
talk to them...
1466
01:16:16,571 --> 01:16:17,905
"If you come back
and speak to us"
1467
01:16:17,973 --> 01:16:20,085
"we'll be glad to revisit this."
1468
01:16:20,109 --> 01:16:22,421
And I thought,
"How outrageous is this?"
1469
01:16:22,445 --> 01:16:27,048
And I didn't understand then
that what they did to people
1470
01:16:27,115 --> 01:16:31,229
was give them a pass if they
told, not even the truth,
1471
01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:34,032
but they told
their version of the truth.
1472
01:16:34,056 --> 01:16:35,389
And that, unfortunately
1473
01:16:35,457 --> 01:16:37,502
is what has become
of our justice system
1474
01:16:37,526 --> 01:16:39,026
which I think is horrendous.
1475
01:16:43,732 --> 01:16:45,533
[gentle music]
1476
01:17:06,355 --> 01:17:07,888
[Jason Bowns]
I think Bill Bulger
1477
01:17:07,956 --> 01:17:09,624
wanted to be judged
for what he did
1478
01:17:12,828 --> 01:17:14,762
and not
for what his brother did.
1479
01:17:14,829 --> 01:17:16,897
And I think people,
for some reason,
1480
01:17:16,965 --> 01:17:19,767
they're just fascinated
by the crime stuff.
1481
01:17:21,503 --> 01:17:22,970
You know,
it really hit home to me
1482
01:17:23,038 --> 01:17:25,373
when I was calling UMass Boston,
1483
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:26,952
I was asking them
to help me track down
1484
01:17:26,976 --> 01:17:28,342
an article in the library.
1485
01:17:29,778 --> 01:17:32,780
It was called
"The Bulger I Know."
1486
01:17:32,847 --> 01:17:35,293
And the girl on the end
of the line, she said,
1487
01:17:35,317 --> 01:17:37,985
"As if we know any other Bulger
1488
01:17:38,053 --> 01:17:41,055
"You know "Whitey" Bulger,
as if we know any other."
1489
01:17:41,122 --> 01:17:43,724
And the article
wasn't even about...
1490
01:17:43,792 --> 01:17:45,326
It was about Bill Bulger
1491
01:17:45,393 --> 01:17:47,395
and it was written
by Walter Boverini,
1492
01:17:47,462 --> 01:17:49,396
who had served
with him in the Senate.
1493
01:17:49,431 --> 01:17:52,044
And it just hit me
how much his legacy
1494
01:17:52,068 --> 01:17:56,248
and anything that he did
was fading away
1495
01:17:56,272 --> 01:18:00,341
and being overshadowed
by his brother.
1496
01:18:06,214 --> 01:18:09,194
And even, UMass Boston,
where Bulger had been President
1497
01:18:09,218 --> 01:18:12,853
for eight years, didn't even
know that it was about him.
1498
01:18:17,426 --> 01:18:19,360
[melancholic music]
1499
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:32,973
[Jimmy] As I get older
1500
01:18:33,041 --> 01:18:34,953
I realize, like,
my dad's contemporaries
1501
01:18:34,977 --> 01:18:36,354
are checking out now.
1502
01:18:36,378 --> 01:18:38,579
And guys who remembered him
being a Senator
1503
01:18:38,613 --> 01:18:39,891
they're getting old.
1504
01:18:39,915 --> 01:18:42,850
They're my age, you know,
time moves on.
1505
01:18:48,056 --> 01:18:49,790
The neighborhood
I grew up in is gone.
1506
01:18:49,858 --> 01:18:51,525
It doesn't exist anymore.
There's nothing.
1507
01:18:51,593 --> 01:18:54,172
There's nothing left, there's
yuppies over there now.
1508
01:18:54,196 --> 01:18:57,576
You know, I think some of them
think they live in South Boston
1509
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,066
and it's the place to be,
1510
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:00,779
but the guys
who made it South Boston,
1511
01:19:00,803 --> 01:19:02,069
the people who lived there,
1512
01:19:02,137 --> 01:19:04,538
they're spread all through
the south shore, you know.
1513
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:16,917
[brass band playing]
1514
01:19:19,754 --> 01:19:23,057
[indistinct chatter]
1515
01:19:26,494 --> 01:19:29,063
- [William Bulger] It's a big crowd here.
- [man] Yeah, it is.
1516
01:19:32,768 --> 01:19:35,814
[William Bulger]
♪ From the mountains ♪
1517
01:19:35,838 --> 01:19:38,439
♪ To the prairies ♪
1518
01:19:38,506 --> 01:19:43,277
♪ To the oceans
White with foam ♪
1519
01:19:44,846 --> 01:19:49,294
♪ God bless America ♪
1520
01:19:49,318 --> 01:19:54,188
♪ My home sweet home ♪
1521
01:19:54,255 --> 01:19:55,923
[band music fades]
1522
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:58,025
[man] Sadly, he at least in part
1523
01:19:58,092 --> 01:20:02,429
is going to be remembered
because of his brother.
1524
01:20:02,497 --> 01:20:05,032
I hope at some point
we can at least
1525
01:20:05,099 --> 01:20:06,834
find a way to recognize him
1526
01:20:06,901 --> 01:20:10,538
in the contributions he made
to making this a better place.
1527
01:20:12,907 --> 01:20:16,510
[man] He grew up in modest
circumstances in Southie.
1528
01:20:16,578 --> 01:20:20,114
Southie was a very tightly
knit community,
1529
01:20:20,181 --> 01:20:22,516
so they were a force
under themselves.
1530
01:20:22,584 --> 01:20:24,585
And I think Bill Bulger's
political legacy
1531
01:20:24,652 --> 01:20:29,190
will last for another 100
years in Massachusetts.
1532
01:20:29,257 --> 01:20:32,293
People are gonna remember
him for a long time.
1533
01:20:33,461 --> 01:20:34,829
[drums playing]
1534
01:20:39,334 --> 01:20:41,780
[Bill] He raised nine children.
1535
01:20:41,804 --> 01:20:44,916
He came out of the housing
projects in South Boston,
1536
01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:47,185
got himself
to Boston College High School
1537
01:20:47,209 --> 01:20:48,342
and then to Boston College.
1538
01:20:48,409 --> 01:20:49,877
He went into the military
1539
01:20:49,944 --> 01:20:51,912
so the GI Bill could pay for
his College.
1540
01:20:52,814 --> 01:20:54,192
That should shine through more
1541
01:20:54,216 --> 01:20:56,795
than the shadow of a brother.
1542
01:20:56,819 --> 01:20:58,752
You know, whatever the
transgressions of his brother,
1543
01:20:58,820 --> 01:21:00,487
that should not overshadow
my dad.
1544
01:21:05,226 --> 01:21:06,493
[sentimental music]
1545
01:21:19,641 --> 01:21:21,508
[newsreader]
And we have breaking news now
1546
01:21:21,576 --> 01:21:23,444
about a notorious
Boston mobster.
1547
01:21:23,511 --> 01:21:24,689
[reporter] We're just learning
1548
01:21:24,713 --> 01:21:27,158
that the notorious gangster
James "Whitey" Bulger
1549
01:21:27,182 --> 01:21:29,116
has been killed in prison.
1550
01:21:29,183 --> 01:21:30,618
Officials had just moved him
1551
01:21:30,652 --> 01:21:32,453
to a prison in West Virginia.
1552
01:21:38,393 --> 01:21:41,640
At the height of his power,
"Whitey" Bulger ruled the streets
1553
01:21:41,664 --> 01:21:43,041
with an iron fist.
1554
01:21:43,065 --> 01:21:45,198
But those days are long over.
1555
01:21:45,233 --> 01:21:48,914
Now "Whitey" Bulger is dead
in a prison in West Virginia
1556
01:21:48,938 --> 01:21:52,183
and authorities are trying to
figure out how this happened.
1557
01:21:52,207 --> 01:21:53,807
I'm out in front
of Billy's house.
1558
01:21:53,875 --> 01:21:57,522
By the way, he came home
and we got a fleeting shot of him.
1559
01:21:57,546 --> 01:21:59,457
You know, they just kind of
pulled up and he ran in.
1560
01:21:59,481 --> 01:22:02,416
We did see one man come up,
leave a card in the mailbox
1561
01:22:02,483 --> 01:22:03,862
right there and walk away.
1562
01:22:03,886 --> 01:22:05,419
He didn't want to talk either
1563
01:22:05,486 --> 01:22:07,999
as reaction
continues to come in.
1564
01:22:08,023 --> 01:22:09,290
[reporters chatter]
1565
01:22:11,225 --> 01:22:13,672
[Catherine] I was in my room
1566
01:22:13,696 --> 01:22:17,097
and I could hear people
running down the hallway
1567
01:22:17,165 --> 01:22:18,565
and my friend...
1568
01:22:19,901 --> 01:22:21,146
[breaths deeply]
1569
01:22:21,170 --> 01:22:23,304
[voice breaking]
...stood in the doorway and...
1570
01:22:23,371 --> 01:22:25,506
"Miss Catherine...
Miss Catherine..."
1571
01:22:27,575 --> 01:22:29,421
"It's Jimmy..."
1572
01:22:29,445 --> 01:22:30,822
I thought he had a heart attack
1573
01:22:30,846 --> 01:22:32,646
because he had
mini heart attacks.
1574
01:22:32,714 --> 01:22:35,616
And she said, "He was murdered."
1575
01:22:39,921 --> 01:22:42,323
I screamed.
I literally screamed.
1576
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:43,568
I couldn't believe it.
1577
01:22:43,592 --> 01:22:46,527
I jumped up
and I ran down the room
1578
01:22:46,594 --> 01:22:48,195
and I think I ran yelling
the whole way
1579
01:22:48,262 --> 01:22:50,597
"'Whitey' Bulger is dead.
He's been killed."
1580
01:22:53,401 --> 01:22:54,668
It was stunning.
1581
01:22:54,736 --> 01:22:57,182
It was really stunning
that he would...
1582
01:22:57,206 --> 01:22:58,706
That it would end that way.
1583
01:23:03,078 --> 01:23:06,613
[Bob Ward] We all knew "Whitey"
Bulger was going to meet his end.
1584
01:23:06,681 --> 01:23:09,817
But still, it's kind of a shock
when it actually happens.
1585
01:23:09,884 --> 01:23:12,820
"Whitey" has been
this larger than life
1586
01:23:12,887 --> 01:23:15,956
figure in South Boston
and in Boston,
1587
01:23:16,024 --> 01:23:18,136
I think all of New England,
for decades.
1588
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:21,072
And now he's gone,
and it's just kind of hard
1589
01:23:21,096 --> 01:23:23,364
to let that sort of sink
in a little bit.
1590
01:23:26,901 --> 01:23:28,302
Part of me was angry at myself
1591
01:23:28,369 --> 01:23:30,882
because I had visited him
several times in jail
1592
01:23:30,906 --> 01:23:33,240
and it had been a while since
I had visited him
1593
01:23:33,307 --> 01:23:35,909
and I really regretted the fact
that I had not at least gone down
1594
01:23:35,977 --> 01:23:37,311
to visit him,
1595
01:23:37,378 --> 01:23:39,113
you know, one more time.
1596
01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:41,115
When I learned that he died,
1597
01:23:41,182 --> 01:23:43,117
I didn't think of it
as the end of a chapter,
1598
01:23:43,184 --> 01:23:46,920
I thought of it
as who signed the paperwork
1599
01:23:46,988 --> 01:23:48,322
to put him in that prison.
1600
01:23:49,457 --> 01:23:50,657
It was a set up.
1601
01:23:50,725 --> 01:23:54,305
The government executed him
in my opinion.
1602
01:23:54,329 --> 01:23:57,931
[Catherine] He was waiting to
be transferred to a medical facility,
1603
01:23:57,999 --> 01:24:00,845
and instead, somehow
they transferred him
1604
01:24:00,869 --> 01:24:03,537
to the most dangerous...
1605
01:24:03,604 --> 01:24:04,849
[voice breaking]
...prison and put him
1606
01:24:04,873 --> 01:24:07,452
in population immediately.
1607
01:24:07,476 --> 01:24:11,189
No, that's not
one person's mistake.
1608
01:24:11,213 --> 01:24:13,547
That is over-seeing.
1609
01:24:14,949 --> 01:24:17,195
[woman] We are very
aggressively chasing the story
1610
01:24:17,219 --> 01:24:18,619
of "Whitey" Bulger's murder
1611
01:24:18,686 --> 01:24:20,287
because I feel strongly that
1612
01:24:20,354 --> 01:24:23,802
this needs to be
thoroughly investigated.
1613
01:24:23,826 --> 01:24:25,737
There needs to be
accountability.
1614
01:24:25,761 --> 01:24:27,405
And that...
1615
01:24:27,429 --> 01:24:30,297
I'm not just talking about the
people that went into the cell
1616
01:24:30,364 --> 01:24:31,409
and murdered him.
1617
01:24:31,433 --> 01:24:33,611
I'm talking about the people
in the Bureau of Prisons
1618
01:24:33,635 --> 01:24:36,214
who put him in a position
where he could be murdered.
1619
01:24:36,238 --> 01:24:38,172
And that's really
the bigger question.
1620
01:24:48,449 --> 01:24:53,387
[Catherine] He wasn't the person
that was created by the media.
1621
01:24:54,856 --> 01:24:57,791
I don't know how they created
what they did.
1622
01:24:57,859 --> 01:25:01,795
It seems like they needed him
to be a monster.
1623
01:25:03,331 --> 01:25:07,334
I felt like
it was my responsibility
1624
01:25:07,401 --> 01:25:10,904
to try to diminish
this horrible image.
1625
01:25:12,073 --> 01:25:14,274
I thought this is my chance
1626
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:17,455
to see how my life was
1627
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,746
and it really, truly...
1628
01:25:19,814 --> 01:25:22,082
If I had to do all over again,
1629
01:25:22,150 --> 01:25:23,417
I would go with him.
1630
01:25:28,089 --> 01:25:29,389
[morose music]
1631
01:25:42,303 --> 01:25:45,016
[William Bulger] The subject
that interests so many,
1632
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,686
the life and the activities
of my brother James
1633
01:25:48,710 --> 01:25:50,978
is painful and difficult for me.
1634
01:25:53,047 --> 01:25:57,295
But it is a subject I've lived
with for a long time.
1635
01:25:57,319 --> 01:26:00,387
In truth, my effort with Jim
spanned the decades.
1636
01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:04,191
My attempts to change
my brother's life
1637
01:26:04,258 --> 01:26:06,994
were unsuccessful.
1638
01:26:07,061 --> 01:26:10,531
I wish that I could have
achieved success.
1639
01:26:10,598 --> 01:26:13,066
But I must tell you
that reforming Jim Bulger
1640
01:26:13,134 --> 01:26:18,116
was not my sole
24 hour a day focus.
1641
01:26:18,140 --> 01:26:21,842
I never wrote my brother off
or walled him off,
1642
01:26:23,344 --> 01:26:26,658
but public service
and my own immediate family
1643
01:26:26,682 --> 01:26:29,116
placed very large claims on me.
1644
01:26:31,619 --> 01:26:34,154
And while I worried
about my brother,
1645
01:26:34,222 --> 01:26:36,623
I now recognize
that I didn't fully grasp
1646
01:26:36,691 --> 01:26:38,559
the dimensions of his life.
1647
01:26:47,502 --> 01:26:49,436
[somber music]
1648
01:27:01,716 --> 01:27:03,550
[somber music continues]
1649
01:27:09,056 --> 01:27:11,525
[William praying]
Our Father, Who art in heaven
1650
01:27:11,592 --> 01:27:13,026
hallowed be Thy name.
1651
01:27:13,928 --> 01:27:15,173
Thy kingdom come
1652
01:27:15,197 --> 01:27:16,774
Thy will be done
1653
01:27:16,798 --> 01:27:19,666
on earth as it is in Heaven.
1654
01:27:19,734 --> 01:27:21,579
Give us this day our daily bread
1655
01:27:21,603 --> 01:27:23,136
and forgive us our trespasses
1656
01:27:23,204 --> 01:27:25,772
as we forgive those
who trespass against us.
1657
01:27:26,941 --> 01:27:28,809
And lead us not into temptation
1658
01:27:28,876 --> 01:27:31,545
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
1659
01:27:37,084 --> 01:27:40,887
[somber music]