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<i>I'm Bill Bulger,
son of William Bulger,</i>

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<i>the oldest of nine children.</i>

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[James Bulger] <i>James Bulger.</i>

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<i>I was born in 1962, April 26th.</i>

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<i>That makes me, um, 54 right now.</i>

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<i>I'm Mary Hurley,</i>

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<i>daughter of
Bill and Mary Bulger.</i>

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<i>I live across the street
from my parents.</i>

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<i>Now married
and I have seven children.</i>

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<i>My name is Kathleen Bulger Webb.</i>

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<i>I have six sons, one daughter,
six brothers, two sisters.</i>

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<i>I'm very lucky.</i>

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<i>My name is Dan Bulger.</i>

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<i>I'm a Boston native</i>

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<i>and lived almost all my 50
years in South Boston</i>

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<i>and still live there now</i>

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<i>with my three teenaged children.</i>

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[William Bulger]<i> Somebody said</i>
<i>loyalty is the holiest good</i>

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<i>in the human heart.</i>

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<i>I think a degree of
loyalty is owed</i>

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<i>to family members,</i>

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<i>and it should not be
thrown aside</i>

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<i>because someone has faltered.</i>

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[woman] <i>Whitey alone,
doing what he did,</i>

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<i>would be the father
of books and movies.</i>

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<i>Criminal rises to the top</i>

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<i>by eliminating
his rivals in the Mafia.</i>

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<i>But then you have the brother.</i>

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<i>Billy is studying hard.</i>

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<i>He rises to the top</i>

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<i>of the political world
in Massachusetts.</i>

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<i>To me, the story is fascinating</i>

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<i>because
it's not black and white.</i>

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<i>There's lots of different
complexities to it.</i>

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[Rep. Burton]<i> Mr. Bulger, have
you talked to your brother James</i>

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since 1995?
And if so, where was he?

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And where is he now?

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On advice of counsel,

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I am unable to answer
any questions today.

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<i>One of the Fifth Amendment's
basic functions</i>

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<i>is to protect innocent men</i>

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<i>who might be ensnared
by ambiguous circumstances.</i>

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<i>I find myself
in such circumstances.</i>

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[Thomas Kiley] <i>If they
cannot have one Bulger,</i>

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we fear they will have another.

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And if it is not Whitey,
it will be Bill.

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[Jimmy Bulger]
<i>There's a false narrative</i>

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<i>in Boston about my family,</i>

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<i>and it's been, you know,
emblazoned in Hollywood films</i>

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<i>for crime's sake.</i>

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[newsreader] <i>The FBI's new push</i>

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<i>to find one
of their most wanted fugitives</i>

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<i>James Whitey Bulger.</i>

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<i>He's linked to 19 deaths</i>

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<i>and has eluded authorities
since 1995.</i>

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[woman]<i> Santa Monica</i>
<i>was the best time of my life.</i>

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<i>And of his, too...</i>

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<i>They weren't
looking for the real him.</i>

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They were looking for
this person they created.

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That's why he was out there,
for all that.

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It wasn't him.

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[Jimmy]<i> We have remained</i>
<i>very quiet about this.</i>

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We do not talk about this to
the media in any way or form,

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because we cannot win.

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<i>I think it's time
to knock it down,</i>

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<i>at least to throw a punch back.</i>

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<i>I do think that
while my dad is still alive,</i>

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<i>someone should just step up</i>

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and make sure
that there's some record

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that folks can look at

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that can see that my father
was a good man.

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<i>And his brother
was not the monster</i>

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<i>they made him out to be.</i>

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[pipes and drums playing]

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[people chattering]

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- [William]<i> Hello?</i>
- [Bill Clinton]<i> Hello?</i>

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<i>Hello, Mr. President?</i>

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<i>Yeah,
it's nice to hear your voice.</i>

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<i>I know that this morning,</i>

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<i>I'm just the other President
on the phone.</i>

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[audience laughing]

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[applause and cheers]

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Well, you're right about that,

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but I don't think...

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[people laughing]

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I commend you for your humility.

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- [Clinton]<i> Then one of us needs to be humble.</i>
- Pardon me?

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<i>One of us needs to be humble.</i>

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[people laughing]

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<i>My name is William Bulger.</i>

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<i>I'm 83 years of age,</i>

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<i>living here in South Boston
all of my life.</i>

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We lived at 41 Logan Way

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in the Old Harbor
Housing Project.

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And I think we moved there
when I was four years of age.

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So most of my memory is there.

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<i>Spectacular friends
and neighbors</i>

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<i>in that community.</i>

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<i>And I cherish them forever.</i>

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<i>As a youngster, I used to work</i>

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<i>at John's Meat Market
on Divine Way.</i>

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<i>And I loved working there.</i>

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<i>And I knew everybody</i>

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<i>in the Old Harbor Village
as a result.</i>

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And when the time came
for me to run for office,

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they were fiercely loyal to me.

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<i>I'm married
to Mary Sarah Foley Bulger.</i>

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[Mary]<i> When we became engaged,
he had $150 in his bank account.</i>

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[laughing]
That was his entire savings.

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Imagine saying yes to someone...

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[guffaws]

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No job and $150.

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What was I thinking?

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[William] <i>We have nine
children. I think 33 grandchildren</i>

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unless
something's happened today.

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<i>I had a wonderful life
in politics</i>

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<i>serving in the Massachusetts
House of Representatives</i>

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<i>as well as the Senate
for some 35 years.</i>

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<i>I'm pleased to say</i>

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<i>that every bit of it
is a nice memory for me.</i>

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[Michael Dukakis]
<i>Bill Bulger and I arrived</i>

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<i>in the Legislature
almost at the same time.</i>

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<i>And he was a delight
to be with and listen to.</i>

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<i>Because he's bright as hell,</i>

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<i>funny as hell,</i>

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so when the representative
for South Boston rose to speak,

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everybody would quiet down

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because we knew
something would happen.

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[Bill Weld]<i> Well,</i>
<i>he's a very sophisticated man,</i>

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<i>a very educated man.</i>

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<i>He was not unsure
of where he stood ever.</i>

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If you read his autobiography,
<i>While the Music Lasts,</i>

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he makes no bones about the fact

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that he always had...

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limitless
self-confidence in himself.

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[gentle music playing]

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[Jimmy]<i> Okay. South Boston.</i>

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Well, I'm the
second oldest of nine.

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Most of the families on the
street I grew up

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on 3rd Street in South Boston

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<i>were big families, you know,
eight, seven, nine kids.</i>

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<i>Not unusual.</i>

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<i>It's a small town, it's only
about four square miles.</i>

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<i>About 50,000 people lived in it</i>

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<i>in those days.
And there were families</i>

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<i>that have lived in it
for generations.</i>

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<i>It was a working-class
neighborhood of good people,</i>

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<i>proud of where they came from
and all close-knit,</i>

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<i>being Irish Catholics
for the most part.</i>

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[William]<i> It was very strong</i>
<i>as a neighborhood.</i>

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<i>People were happy to say
they were from South Boston.</i>

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<i>They even had their song,
you know.</i>

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<i>♪ Southie is my hometown ♪</i>

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<i>♪ There is something about it ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Permit me to shout it ♪</i>

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♪ <i>They're the tops for</i>
<i>miles around ♪</i>

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["Southie is my Hometown"
by Michael Charton playing]

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[Matt Connolly]<i> It was</i>
<i>like its own little country,</i>

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<i>and it wasn't really
part of Boston.</i>

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It was South Boston and Southie.

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[song continues playing]

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<i>The reason I think Southie
sets it apart from the rest</i>

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<i>is that there's a strong
loyalty among the people</i>

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<i>and a strong cohesiveness
where they stick together.</i>

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<i>They're not bothered by what
other people think about them.</i>

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[people singing
"Southie is my Hometown"]

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<i>I wasn't conscious
when they named me,</i>

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<i>but I definitely
got a good name.</i>

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<i>It's my grandfather's name, too.</i>

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<i>It's my father's father's
name, James Joseph Bulger.</i>

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<i>So, uh, that's what I got.</i>

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<i>His oldest son was named that,</i>

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<i>and, of course,
he's the famous "Whitey"</i>

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<i>that everyone calls him now.</i>

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<i>Nobody called him that.</i>

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When I was growing up,

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most people would not know
who my uncle was.

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<i>There's probably very
few people in South Boston</i>

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<i>that could identify him.</i>

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<i>He was a very low-key guy.</i>

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<i>He drove around,</i>

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<i>usually late in the
afternoons or late at night,</i>

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<i>and he was not out
hanging around anywhere.</i>

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<i>He had no bad habits.</i>

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<i>He didn't smoke,
he didn't drink,</i>

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<i>he didn't stand in bar rooms.</i>

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<i>He took good care of himself,</i>

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<i>and he was
not around all that much.</i>

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[nostalgic music playing]

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[film projector whirring]

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[Dan]<i> Jim Bulger,</i>
<i>for the beginning of my life,</i>

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was just one more uncle
who came through the door.

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He had big muscles
and yelled a lot,

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<i>but that was the extent of it.</i>

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[Bill]<i> My uncle Jim's</i>
<i>personality</i>

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<i>is rather overbearing.</i>

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[laughs] I think my brothers,
my siblings would all agree

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that when he's in the room,

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he's in charge and it seems
extremely evident to anyone

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even if he doesn't say anything.

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[Mary Hurley]
<i>He could be a pain the neck.</i>

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<i>I remember the time that I
missed my curfew or something,</i>

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<i>so I think my mother told him</i>

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<i>that I was late coming home
at night or something.</i>

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The next day, he shows up
with this big Timex watch

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with the big numbers, like,

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"Don't forget
to come home on time."

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[Sarah Bulger Piscatelli]
<i>He was very inconsistent.</i>

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<i>We might see him
four days in a row</i>

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<i>and then not see him
for six or seven months.</i>

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His days were different
than my father's.

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Obviously, they just--
Looking at them side by side,

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one was wearing
a black leather jacket,

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the other one's wearing a suit.

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[Bill]<i> Early on, I just knew</i>

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<i>he was doing
something different.</i>

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<i>Didn't fully understand
what he was doing,</i>

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<i>but certainly never felt</i>

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threatened by it or him
in any way.

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[Brian Wallace]<i> We were</i>
<i>in Chinatown one night,</i>

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<i>and we we were acting up,
we had a few beers,</i>

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<i>and we were being Southie kids.</i>

229
00:13:49.295 --> 00:13:50.562
"Give us a beer,
give us a beer."

230
00:13:50.629 --> 00:13:51.563
And the Chinese people,

231
00:13:51.630 --> 00:13:52.564
"No, you're too young.

232
00:13:52.631 --> 00:13:53.898
No, no beers."

233
00:13:53.933 --> 00:13:55.033
And so I'm sitting there
and this guy

234
00:13:55.100 --> 00:13:56.501
taps me on the shoulder.

235
00:13:56.568 --> 00:13:58.347
And turn around, I say,
"What do you want?"

236
00:13:58.371 --> 00:14:00.082
He said,
"Leave these guys alone."

237
00:14:00.106 --> 00:14:01.951
You're fresh punks from Southie.

238
00:14:01.975 --> 00:14:03.352
<i>"These guys work hard
for their money."</i>

239
00:14:03.376 --> 00:14:05.087
<i>I said, "Get lost."</i>

240
00:14:05.111 --> 00:14:07.489
<i>I said, "We'll kick
the shit out of you."</i>

241
00:14:07.513 --> 00:14:09.180
<i>I thought all my friends
would be laughing,</i>

242
00:14:09.248 --> 00:14:11.827
and I turned around,
and they're all like...

243
00:14:11.851 --> 00:14:13.362
I said, "What's the problem?"

244
00:14:13.386 --> 00:14:14.786
They said,
"That's Whitey Bulger."

245
00:14:16.188 --> 00:14:17.856
<i>I said,
"You gotta be kidding me."</i>

246
00:14:17.923 --> 00:14:20.792
<i>I said, "No way
that's Whitey Bulger."</i>

247
00:14:20.859 --> 00:14:22.438
<i>I said, "Oh, man."</i>

248
00:14:22.462 --> 00:14:24.506
<i>So 20 minutes later, he's back.</i>

249
00:14:24.530 --> 00:14:25.797
<i>"He said, " Want to go outside now</i>

250
00:14:25.864 --> 00:14:27.332
<i>and we'll see
who does what to who?"</i>

251
00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:28.644
<i>I said, "No, sir."</i>

252
00:14:28.668 --> 00:14:29.979
He said,
"Now you know who I am."

253
00:14:30.003 --> 00:14:31.313
I said, "Yes, sir."

254
00:14:31.337 --> 00:14:33.515
He said, "Listen,
I was just like you.

255
00:14:33.539 --> 00:14:35.584
I was a fresh little punk
from Southie

256
00:14:35.608 --> 00:14:37.609
and I ended up in Alcatraz."

257
00:14:37.676 --> 00:14:39.588
He said, "So you never
open your mouth"

258
00:14:39.612 --> 00:14:41.323
until you know
who you're talking to.

259
00:14:41.347 --> 00:14:44.282
You understand that?
You're getting a pass this time,

260
00:14:44.349 --> 00:14:48.052
because you're from Southie."
He said, "But that's only one pass."

261
00:14:51.690 --> 00:14:55.293
[William]
<i>♪ Life is a weary puzzle ♪</i>

262
00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.631
<i>♪ Past finding out by man ♪</i>

263
00:14:59.698 --> 00:15:03.902
♪ <i>I'll take the day</i>
<i>For what it's worth ♪</i>

264
00:15:03.969 --> 00:15:08.017
<i>♪ I'll do the best I can ♪</i>

265
00:15:08.041 --> 00:15:12.176
<i>♪ There were snowdrops
And primroses ♪</i>

266
00:15:12.244 --> 00:15:16.381
<i>♪ Piled high beside her bed ♪</i>

267
00:15:16.448 --> 00:15:19.895
<i>♪ And Ferran's Church
Was crowded ♪</i>

268
00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:24.433
<i>♪ When her funeral mass
Was said ♪</i>

269
00:15:24.457 --> 00:15:28.593
<i>♪ Each human heart
Must bear its grief ♪</i>

270
00:15:28.660 --> 00:15:32.530
<i>♪ Though bitter be the bold ♪</i>

271
00:15:32.597 --> 00:15:36.045
<i>♪ So God be with you Ireland ♪</i>

272
00:15:36.069 --> 00:15:39.804
<i>♪ And the Old Bog Road ♪</i>

273
00:15:39.871 --> 00:15:40.705
That's it.

274
00:15:41.540 --> 00:15:42.573
[applause]

275
00:15:45.210 --> 00:15:47.478
[Mary] I remember the
first time we heard that song

276
00:15:47.546 --> 00:15:49.058
we were in a bar in Ireland,

277
00:15:49.082 --> 00:15:51.683
and I started crying.
And he says,

278
00:15:51.750 --> 00:15:53.996
"I'm going to learn
that one." And sure enough.

279
00:15:54.020 --> 00:15:55.998
And she still cries.

280
00:15:56.022 --> 00:15:58.022
[all laughing]

281
00:15:58.624 --> 00:16:01.003
[stammering]

282
00:16:01.027 --> 00:16:03.594
But it's not the lyrics,
it's the singing.

283
00:16:04.697 --> 00:16:07.365
[melancholic music playing]

284
00:16:18.978 --> 00:16:21.423
[Peter Gelzinis]<i> On both sides
of the street that I grew up in</i>

285
00:16:21.447 --> 00:16:24.849
<i>were housing projects,
two very big housing projects.</i>

286
00:16:26.985 --> 00:16:28.720
<i>The Old Harbor Project</i>

287
00:16:28.787 --> 00:16:33.569
<i>was the first public housing
development in the country</i>

288
00:16:33.593 --> 00:16:35.360
<i>and the other
one was the Old Colony.</i>

289
00:16:36.929 --> 00:16:39.108
Back then, when I was maybe

290
00:16:39.132 --> 00:16:40.642
eight, nine, ten years old,

291
00:16:40.666 --> 00:16:43.779
people swept
the project hallways.

292
00:16:43.803 --> 00:16:46.115
There were lace curtains

293
00:16:46.139 --> 00:16:48.740
<i>on the front doors
of the apartment building.</i>

294
00:16:49.675 --> 00:16:50.986
<i>There wasn't any sense</i>

295
00:16:51.010 --> 00:16:53.389
<i>that these were
public housing tenants</i>

296
00:16:53.413 --> 00:16:55.413
<i>and there was
any stigma to that.</i>

297
00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.648
<i>It was just-- they were
a part of the community.</i>

298
00:17:12.230 --> 00:17:15.033
[Jean Bulger Holland]
<i>Growing up here was wonderful.</i>

299
00:17:15.100 --> 00:17:17.212
<i>Everything was brand-new.</i>

300
00:17:17.236 --> 00:17:22.684
<i>The roads were perfectly paved
with no traffic on them.</i>

301
00:17:22.708 --> 00:17:26.844
<i>For a kid like me, roller
skating around the whole project</i>

302
00:17:26.912 --> 00:17:28.646
<i>was heaven.</i>

303
00:17:32.784 --> 00:17:35.520
And this was
our apartment right here.

304
00:17:35.587 --> 00:17:39.090
756 was our apartment,

305
00:17:40.058 --> 00:17:43.238
and we walked up
three flights of stairs

306
00:17:43.262 --> 00:17:47.331
and my bedroom was up there
on the left top floor corner.

307
00:17:49.535 --> 00:17:51.980
<i>When I was growing up,
everybody was more or less</i>

308
00:17:52.004 --> 00:17:56.140
<i>in the same economic
circumstances as we were.</i>

309
00:17:56.208 --> 00:17:59.610
<i>In later years, I would hear
people talking about wealth</i>

310
00:17:59.678 --> 00:18:01.946
<i>and what they had
and they were vying</i>

311
00:18:02.013 --> 00:18:03.548
<i>for who had the most.</i>

312
00:18:03.615 --> 00:18:06.884
But I remember an argument
among my girlfriends

313
00:18:06.952 --> 00:18:09.153
about who has the least.

314
00:18:11.623 --> 00:18:14.692
<i>I mean, you're talking
about nostalgia.</i>

315
00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.295
<i>I'm kind of one
of the few men left standing</i>

316
00:18:17.362 --> 00:18:19.541
<i>if you want to think about it.</i>

317
00:18:19.565 --> 00:18:20.765
<i>Not too many left.</i>

318
00:18:22.634 --> 00:18:24.268
[nostalgic music playing]

319
00:18:29.174 --> 00:18:31.576
[William]<i> In the family,</i>
<i>there's my older sister Jean,</i>

320
00:18:31.643 --> 00:18:35.357
<i>my older brother James,</i>

321
00:18:35.381 --> 00:18:38.850
<i>and I'm number three,
and below me is Carol</i>

322
00:18:38.917 --> 00:18:41.619
<i>and my brother Jack
and my sister Sheila.</i>

323
00:18:46.258 --> 00:18:50.973
<i>My father lived in...
Well, for most of his life...</i>

324
00:18:50.997 --> 00:18:53.131
<i>He was handicapped.
He had one arm</i>

325
00:18:53.198 --> 00:18:55.844
<i>and he had to work.</i>

326
00:18:55.868 --> 00:18:59.403
Whenever a call would come
from the waterfront

327
00:18:59.471 --> 00:19:01.939
they needed a night watchman.

328
00:19:02.007 --> 00:19:04.987
<i>And the coldest nights,
Christmas, any night</i>

329
00:19:05.011 --> 00:19:06.611
<i>that nobody else wanted the job,</i>

330
00:19:06.678 --> 00:19:09.113
<i>he would be sure that he would
get the call to go.</i>

331
00:19:11.349 --> 00:19:14.452
I think I was influenced
greatly by their example.

332
00:19:17.756 --> 00:19:20.057
[Jean]<i> And then, of course,</i>
<i>we had my brother Jim.</i>

333
00:19:21.026 --> 00:19:22.460
<i>It was different.</i>

334
00:19:24.296 --> 00:19:25.807
<i>He was always gone.</i>

335
00:19:25.831 --> 00:19:27.632
<i>Nobody knew
what the heck he was doing.</i>

336
00:19:27.699 --> 00:19:30.479
My mother was always trying
to make him stay in the house

337
00:19:30.503 --> 00:19:32.614
because
she didn't know where he was

338
00:19:32.638 --> 00:19:34.349
and who his friends were.

339
00:19:34.373 --> 00:19:38.020
When I was going back over
to Boston College High School,

340
00:19:38.044 --> 00:19:42.090
he seemed to have been
faltering in school,

341
00:19:42.114 --> 00:19:43.425
<i>and every now and then,</i>

342
00:19:43.449 --> 00:19:45.183
<i>he would get into
some kind of trouble.</i>

343
00:19:45.250 --> 00:19:46.984
<i>Not large matters but...</i>

344
00:19:47.052 --> 00:19:50.154
<i>My father lamented all the time.</i>

345
00:19:54.593 --> 00:19:56.994
<i>When I was in the army,</i>

346
00:19:57.062 --> 00:19:59.641
I was stationed in Texas,

347
00:19:59.665 --> 00:20:02.266
Fort Bliss, El Paso, Texas,

348
00:20:02.334 --> 00:20:06.137
and my father drove there.

349
00:20:06.204 --> 00:20:08.372
He had, as I say, one arm.

350
00:20:10.609 --> 00:20:12.443
<i>When we sat down and talked,</i>

351
00:20:12.510 --> 00:20:15.713
<i>he was expressing
his concern about my brother.</i>

352
00:20:19.217 --> 00:20:22.386
<i>But it was beyond
his ability to control.</i>

353
00:20:30.362 --> 00:20:31.362
[Jean]
<i>We were all sitting around</i>

354
00:20:31.429 --> 00:20:33.030
<i>in the small kitchen
that we had.</i>

355
00:20:33.098 --> 00:20:36.011
My mother and father
are getting our dinner,

356
00:20:36.035 --> 00:20:37.946
and they're serving us.

357
00:20:37.970 --> 00:20:40.104
And my brother Jim is there.

358
00:20:40.171 --> 00:20:44.242
All of us were there, sitting
around, and he's kind of laughing.

359
00:20:44.309 --> 00:20:46.021
<i>He had done something wrong</i>

360
00:20:46.045 --> 00:20:48.957
<i>and we were all eating
and very serious.</i>

361
00:20:48.981 --> 00:20:51.182
<i>And I can remember him saying,</i>

362
00:20:51.249 --> 00:20:53.117
"I know
what you're all thinking.

363
00:20:53.184 --> 00:20:55.653
You think Mom got the wrong
baby at the hospital,

364
00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:56.854
don't you?"

365
00:20:56.921 --> 00:20:59.190
And then he said,

366
00:20:59.257 --> 00:21:00.836
"But you can't even say that

367
00:21:00.860 --> 00:21:03.194
because I look just like his."

368
00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:09.834
<i>Always my brother Jim
was a worry</i>

369
00:21:12.404 --> 00:21:16.741
<i>and my brother Bill was a
source of pride all the time.</i>

370
00:21:19.544 --> 00:21:21.256
<i>Bill got into politics.</i>

371
00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:24.526
Actually, honestly, it was the
force of his own personality.

372
00:21:24.550 --> 00:21:26.728
He had always been well liked.

373
00:21:26.752 --> 00:21:28.152
He was very outgoing.

374
00:21:28.219 --> 00:21:30.599
He had a good sense of humor,
even as a kid,

375
00:21:30.623 --> 00:21:35.871
<i>and he delivered groceries,
so all the ladies loved him.</i>

376
00:21:35.895 --> 00:21:38.496
[William]<i> I read the biography</i>
<i>of James Michael Curley</i>

377
00:21:38.563 --> 00:21:41.543
<i>and it's all about
his life here,</i>

378
00:21:41.567 --> 00:21:43.745
<i>and also
the neighborhoods of the city,</i>

379
00:21:43.769 --> 00:21:45.681
<i>I became familiar with that.</i>

380
00:21:45.705 --> 00:21:47.905
<i>I was fascinated by all of it</i>

381
00:21:47.972 --> 00:21:50.352
because I had the interest
in politics to begin with.

382
00:21:50.376 --> 00:21:52.910
<i>And Curley had
a beautiful way of speaking.</i>

383
00:21:52.977 --> 00:21:54.578
<i>He has a great aura to him.</i>

384
00:21:54.646 --> 00:21:56.514
[on recording]
<i>I James Michael Curley...</i>

385
00:21:56.581 --> 00:21:59.583
[William]<i> And I used</i>
<i>to do a take off of him.</i>

386
00:21:59.651 --> 00:22:01.563
[man on speakers]
<i>If Curley is elected governor,</i>

387
00:22:01.587 --> 00:22:03.454
<i>then he will take
the useless gold dome</i>

388
00:22:03.521 --> 00:22:05.723
from the top of the State House,

389
00:22:05.790 --> 00:22:07.636
turn it upside down,

390
00:22:07.660 --> 00:22:10.105
place it in the middle
of Flood Square,

391
00:22:10.129 --> 00:22:13.264
fill it with water and let the
little children of South Boston

392
00:22:13.331 --> 00:22:14.832
use it as a swimming pool.

393
00:22:16.601 --> 00:22:19.981
[William]<i> It was in 1960</i>

394
00:22:20.005 --> 00:22:22.117
<i>and there were 16 candidates</i>

395
00:22:22.141 --> 00:22:23.652
for the House
of Representatives.

396
00:22:23.676 --> 00:22:25.276
There was a vacant seat

397
00:22:25.343 --> 00:22:27.945
and I ran all over the place

398
00:22:28.012 --> 00:22:30.058
and knocked on doors

399
00:22:30.082 --> 00:22:32.394
<i>and did everything
that was necessary.</i>

400
00:22:32.418 --> 00:22:33.795
<i>One of my opponents</i>

401
00:22:33.819 --> 00:22:36.287
<i>used to call me
"Same Suit" Bulger,</i>

402
00:22:36.354 --> 00:22:38.556
<i>because I always
wore the same suit.</i>

403
00:22:38.623 --> 00:22:40.091
Because it was the only suit.

404
00:22:41.626 --> 00:22:43.138
<i>And the night that I won,</i>

405
00:22:43.162 --> 00:22:45.941
<i>I was happy that when he came
to my victory party,</i>

406
00:22:45.965 --> 00:22:47.965
we stood on the stage together.

407
00:22:48.033 --> 00:22:51.469
I introduced myself
as "Same Suit."

408
00:22:53.838 --> 00:22:56.707
<i>At age 26,
I was elected to the House,</i>

409
00:22:56.775 --> 00:23:00.411
<i>and I stayed there
for 35 years or so.</i>

410
00:23:03.715 --> 00:23:05.560
<i>It was a happy life for me.</i>

411
00:23:05.584 --> 00:23:07.852
<i>I think it might have been
tough on people around me.</i>

412
00:23:10.255 --> 00:23:14.425
[nostalgic music playing]

413
00:23:18.263 --> 00:23:19.864
[Mary]<i> Some nights</i>
<i>he would come home</i>

414
00:23:19.931 --> 00:23:21.198
and make the dinner

415
00:23:21.233 --> 00:23:23.667
because he could tell I
just about had it. You know.

416
00:23:24.903 --> 00:23:26.337
I think at the time,

417
00:23:26.404 --> 00:23:30.118
I may have even told
my sweet wife "just one term"

418
00:23:30.142 --> 00:23:32.209
<i>but then another term,</i>

419
00:23:32.277 --> 00:23:34.812
<i>"They need me."</i>

420
00:23:34.879 --> 00:23:38.326
That's how insufferable
politicians become.

421
00:23:38.350 --> 00:23:42.019
Oh. I'll tell you
what happened then.

422
00:23:42.086 --> 00:23:44.666
I just think he was so happy
doing what he was doing

423
00:23:44.690 --> 00:23:47.335
<i>and he was doing
such good things.</i>

424
00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.293
So I put up with it.

425
00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:50.694
[giggles]

426
00:23:52.364 --> 00:23:53.964
[Sarah] <i>Reflecting
back now as an adult,</i>

427
00:23:54.032 --> 00:23:55.633
<i>knowing how busy
he was at the time,</i>

428
00:23:55.700 --> 00:23:58.702
<i>it's kind of impressive how much
he did dig in around the house.</i>

429
00:23:58.770 --> 00:24:01.505
<i>I mean, certainly my mother
did the lion's share of it.</i>

430
00:24:01.573 --> 00:24:03.752
[Jimmy]<i> He used to read to us</i>
<i>at night when we were kids.</i>

431
00:24:03.776 --> 00:24:05.776
So there'd be some of us
sitting on the sofa,

432
00:24:05.844 --> 00:24:06.710
he'd sit on the floor.

433
00:24:06.778 --> 00:24:08.446
Kids beside him, kids behind him

434
00:24:08.513 --> 00:24:10.915
and everybody would be
following the same story.

435
00:24:10.982 --> 00:24:12.249
A couple
on the couch up above him

436
00:24:12.317 --> 00:24:13.984
and he'd have his back
to the sofa

437
00:24:14.052 --> 00:24:15.764
and he'd be reading the book,

438
00:24:15.788 --> 00:24:18.456
whether it was Robert Louis
Stevenson's<i> Treasure Island</i>

439
00:24:18.523 --> 00:24:20.458
<i>and we'd read
a couple of chapters a night.</i>

440
00:24:20.525 --> 00:24:23.127
<i>And I remember as a boy just
being enthralled with the story.</i>

441
00:24:23.194 --> 00:24:24.862
[Jimmy]
<i>I remember that very vividly</i>

442
00:24:24.929 --> 00:24:27.309
<i>because he encourages us all
to read and be good students.</i>

443
00:24:27.333 --> 00:24:29.366
<i>He was very keen on education.</i>

444
00:24:30.735 --> 00:24:32.970
[uplifting music playing]

445
00:24:51.756 --> 00:24:55.226
<i>Forced busing was put upon
the people of Boston</i>

446
00:24:55.293 --> 00:24:57.428
<i>because there was an imbalance
in the school system</i>

447
00:24:57.495 --> 00:25:01.832
<i>in that the neighborhoods
that were predominantly Black</i>

448
00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:03.300
<i>were not getting the education</i>

449
00:25:03.368 --> 00:25:05.347
<i>that the white neighborhoods
were getting.</i>

450
00:25:05.371 --> 00:25:06.748
<i>That was the argument made.</i>

451
00:25:06.772 --> 00:25:09.640
And the solution was,
by the court,

452
00:25:09.707 --> 00:25:12.087
to bus kids from
one neighborhood to another

453
00:25:12.111 --> 00:25:14.422
so you wouldn't walk
to your local school anymore.

454
00:25:14.446 --> 00:25:17.014
You'd be bused across the city
to another school.

455
00:25:20.719 --> 00:25:23.521
[Shelley Murphy] <i>When busing
started, I was 16 years old.</i>

456
00:25:23.588 --> 00:25:27.035
<i>I was going into my senior year
at South Boston High School,</i>

457
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:29.971
um, that was now being sent
to another school,

458
00:25:29.995 --> 00:25:32.997
a school that was all Black
across town.

459
00:25:33.064 --> 00:25:35.466
And South Boston, of course,
had been all white.

460
00:25:35.533 --> 00:25:37.245
I wouldn't care
if they are green or purple,

461
00:25:37.269 --> 00:25:38.602
the idea of putting
my kid on a bus

462
00:25:38.670 --> 00:25:40.271
when I have a school
right across the street

463
00:25:40.338 --> 00:25:42.806
from where they should go. I
don't care what color they are.

464
00:25:42.874 --> 00:25:45.787
Let us go to our neighborhoods
where our kids are safe.

465
00:25:45.811 --> 00:25:47.923
[overlapping yelling]

466
00:25:47.947 --> 00:25:50.926
[Pastor Robert Gray] <i>South
Boston was, it was like Alabama.</i>

467
00:25:50.950 --> 00:25:54.195
<i>It was Mississippi,
just right down the street.</i>

468
00:25:54.219 --> 00:25:58.088
Regardless of the political
peace that was going on,

469
00:25:58.156 --> 00:25:59.189
kids were stoned.

470
00:26:00.224 --> 00:26:01.592
[demonstrators chanting]

471
00:26:05.163 --> 00:26:07.164
[Jean McGuire] <i>Up on the
hill there in South Boston,</i>

472
00:26:07.231 --> 00:26:08.410
you had people with sheets,

473
00:26:08.434 --> 00:26:10.367
"Niggas, go home,
go back to Africa."

474
00:26:10.435 --> 00:26:11.435
It was ugly.

475
00:26:12.303 --> 00:26:14.505
[dramatic music playing]

476
00:26:16.307 --> 00:26:18.687
<i>It's not about the bus.
It's about us.</i>

477
00:26:18.711 --> 00:26:21.378
<i>Everybody in the suburbs
gets on a bus to go to school.</i>

478
00:26:21.446 --> 00:26:24.848
<i>You don't call it busing.
You call it education.</i>

479
00:26:24.916 --> 00:26:27.184
The bus was the code word
to say,

480
00:26:27.251 --> 00:26:28.852
"Blacks
are leaving their place."

481
00:26:35.860 --> 00:26:39.930
[man]<i> It was a situation where
suddenly one local neighborhood</i>

482
00:26:39.998 --> 00:26:44.068
<i>became a national flash point
for this question.</i>

483
00:26:44.135 --> 00:26:47.071
That explosion fueled
a lot of political careers.

484
00:26:49.207 --> 00:26:51.675
[man]
<i>I want Senator Bill Bulger!</i>

485
00:26:51.743 --> 00:26:54.545
[people cheering and applauding]

486
00:26:54.612 --> 00:26:59.450
[William]<i> I am here before you
to emphasize one central thought.</i>

487
00:27:00.818 --> 00:27:02.019
<i>They were wrong.</i>

488
00:27:02.954 --> 00:27:04.666
<i>They were wrong</i>

489
00:27:04.690 --> 00:27:05.956
<i>about you.</i>

490
00:27:06.758 --> 00:27:08.403
They were wrong

491
00:27:08.427 --> 00:27:11.161
about the intensity of the love

492
00:27:11.229 --> 00:27:15.810
which you have for your
children and for your community.

493
00:27:15.834 --> 00:27:18.747
They were wrong
about your determination

494
00:27:18.771 --> 00:27:20.971
to remain in this city

495
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.907
as a cohesive community

496
00:27:23.975 --> 00:27:26.110
and that you
somehow are the ones

497
00:27:26.177 --> 00:27:29.113
to blame
for some social problem.

498
00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:30.759
[cheers and applause]

499
00:27:30.783 --> 00:27:34.051
It was so unfair that you
would be labeled racist

500
00:27:34.118 --> 00:27:37.321
simply
because you opposed busing.

501
00:27:37.388 --> 00:27:40.991
<i>That's not to defend
in any way, shape or form</i>

502
00:27:41.059 --> 00:27:44.105
<i>the people that were out there
throwing rocks at buses</i>

503
00:27:44.129 --> 00:27:48.465
<i>and hurling racial slurs.</i>

504
00:27:48.533 --> 00:27:50.801
<i>So I really felt
that Billy Bulger</i>

505
00:27:50.868 --> 00:27:52.269
<i>was speaking for me</i>

506
00:27:52.336 --> 00:27:54.405
and for the people who
didn't really have a voice.

507
00:28:03.348 --> 00:28:05.015
[Pat Nee]
<i>The first time I met Whitey,</i>

508
00:28:05.083 --> 00:28:08.285
<i>I was at an afterhours club
in South Boston.</i>

509
00:28:08.352 --> 00:28:09.864
<i>There was card games going on,</i>

510
00:28:09.888 --> 00:28:13.802
<i>and I wasn't a gambler,
but I'd be at the bar drinking.</i>

511
00:28:13.826 --> 00:28:17.472
<i>Whitey he was in there,
I was introduced to him.</i>

512
00:28:17.496 --> 00:28:20.297
<i>I had heard he was a
bank robber and all this stuff.</i>

513
00:28:20.364 --> 00:28:23.667
You know, it didn't make any
impression one way or another.

514
00:28:25.570 --> 00:28:27.638
<i>So I'm sitting there at the bar.</i>

515
00:28:27.705 --> 00:28:30.618
<i>We're just engage in
meaningless conversation.</i>

516
00:28:30.642 --> 00:28:34.355
And one of our guys had
stopped at the Killeen's bar room

517
00:28:34.379 --> 00:28:36.513
in Southie that night
and got his nose bit off

518
00:28:36.581 --> 00:28:39.494
and shot three times in the arm.

519
00:28:39.518 --> 00:28:41.719
And before he went
to the hospital,

520
00:28:41.786 --> 00:28:44.966
he came into the club
to tell us what happened.

521
00:28:44.990 --> 00:28:46.968
Two guys took him
to the hospital

522
00:28:46.992 --> 00:28:48.703
<i>and we all piled into one car.</i>

523
00:28:48.727 --> 00:28:50.728
<i>We ran out of room
and Whitey said,</i>

524
00:28:50.795 --> 00:28:52.730
"I'm going that way."

525
00:28:52.797 --> 00:28:54.709
Hmm, okay.

526
00:28:54.733 --> 00:28:58.802
I know he was with the Killeens
and that's who had shot Mickey.

527
00:28:58.870 --> 00:29:00.604
<i>I said, "I don't think
we'll be talking again."</i>

528
00:29:00.671 --> 00:29:03.051
<i>He says, "No. See you later."</i>

529
00:29:03.075 --> 00:29:05.676
Who knew
we were on opposite sides?

530
00:29:05.743 --> 00:29:07.578
And then the shooting started.

531
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.548
<i>We'd hunt each other.</i>

532
00:29:11.616 --> 00:29:15.018
<i>He almost got me
one summer evening.</i>

533
00:29:15.086 --> 00:29:19.223
<i>Tried to come in the window
with a grease gun, I think.</i>

534
00:29:19.290 --> 00:29:21.258
<i>I grabbed the rifle out of
the closet.</i>

535
00:29:21.292 --> 00:29:24.762
<i>A .30-06 with a scope,
and I jumped out the window</i>

536
00:29:24.829 --> 00:29:26.563
<i>because I see him,
which way he was running,</i>

537
00:29:26.631 --> 00:29:28.143
and I kept dropping on one knee

538
00:29:28.167 --> 00:29:30.278
trying to get him
in my scope but I couldn't.

539
00:29:30.302 --> 00:29:31.869
I couldn't get
a clear shot of him.

540
00:29:39.510 --> 00:29:40.711
His mother lived here

541
00:29:40.778 --> 00:29:42.513
and he was pretty close
with his mother.

542
00:29:42.580 --> 00:29:45.449
So I see this is a real good
place to try and get him.

543
00:29:45.516 --> 00:29:47.618
He won't expect me
to be in the weeds here.

544
00:29:50.121 --> 00:29:52.634
I staked this place out
periodically.

545
00:29:52.658 --> 00:29:56.237
For about 18, 20 months
I showed up here.

546
00:29:56.261 --> 00:29:58.773
I thought I had a real good
shot to get him here,

547
00:29:58.797 --> 00:30:00.297
but I never did.
He never showed up.

548
00:30:07.939 --> 00:30:10.440
<i>We joined forces because
you can't make any money</i>

549
00:30:10.507 --> 00:30:12.543
<i>when there's a war going on.</i>

550
00:30:12.610 --> 00:30:15.212
<i>The cops are looking
to get everybody.</i>

551
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.014
It was time to end it anyhow.

552
00:30:17.081 --> 00:30:19.650
Enough damage
had been done on both sides.

553
00:30:21.886 --> 00:30:24.732
<i>We just walked in one Monday
with Whitey and told everyone,</i>

554
00:30:24.756 --> 00:30:26.267
<i>"You're working for us now."</i>

555
00:30:26.291 --> 00:30:28.136
<i>Everyone says, "Okay."</i>

556
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:29.426
We threw the money on the table,

557
00:30:29.493 --> 00:30:31.406
me and Whitey.

558
00:30:31.430 --> 00:30:34.542
I said, "We've been in the
wrong business all these years.

559
00:30:34.566 --> 00:30:36.567
Look at this. We were all
going, "Are you kidding me?"

560
00:30:36.634 --> 00:30:38.079
That's what we get for the week?

561
00:30:38.103 --> 00:30:40.437
Says, "Yeah. Week after week."

562
00:30:40.504 --> 00:30:42.306
[suspenseful music playing]

563
00:30:53.251 --> 00:30:54.918
[Kevin Weeks]
<i>I'm working at Triple O's.</i>

564
00:30:54.986 --> 00:30:57.254
<i>Jim Bulger, Steve Flemmi
used to come in all the time</i>

565
00:30:57.321 --> 00:30:58.488
<i>on the weekends.</i>

566
00:31:00.592 --> 00:31:02.793
<i>And little by little, they're
talking to me more and more,</i>

567
00:31:02.860 --> 00:31:03.994
<i>especially Jim Bulger.</i>

568
00:31:04.061 --> 00:31:05.996
<i>"How you doing? How's
your family? How is this?"</i>

569
00:31:06.063 --> 00:31:09.199
<i>Just talking about stuff
around the town, everything.</i>

570
00:31:10.735 --> 00:31:12.402
<i>I got involved
in a few other things.</i>

571
00:31:12.470 --> 00:31:15.138
And then
I started beating people up.

572
00:31:15.206 --> 00:31:16.940
Besides my regular job,

573
00:31:17.008 --> 00:31:19.343
I beat a couple of people up
for Jim Bulger.

574
00:31:19.410 --> 00:31:23.013
And then basically,
one day he came and he says

575
00:31:23.080 --> 00:31:25.349
to Kevin O'Neill, he says,
"I'm taking him with me."

576
00:31:26.484 --> 00:31:28.118
[intriguing music playing]

577
00:31:31.222 --> 00:31:32.956
<i>You know, I can't say
anything bad about him.</i>

578
00:31:33.024 --> 00:31:34.524
<i>He treated me really well,</i>

579
00:31:35.693 --> 00:31:36.727
<i>almost like a son.</i>

580
00:31:40.231 --> 00:31:42.944
<i>He taught me a lot about crime,
about life, about dealing with people.</i>

581
00:31:42.968 --> 00:31:45.636
<i>And he was always trying to
keep me out of trouble.</i>

582
00:31:50.241 --> 00:31:53.110
<i>He was always thinking,
thinking, using his head,</i>

583
00:31:53.177 --> 00:31:55.690
<i>putting the odds
in our favor on everything.</i>

584
00:31:55.714 --> 00:31:58.582
And... I mean,
he was a smart guy.

585
00:31:58.649 --> 00:32:00.784
He was ahead of a lot of people.

586
00:32:03.254 --> 00:32:05.022
[suspenseful music playing]

587
00:32:08.459 --> 00:32:10.371
[Catherine Greig] <i>I was 24.</i>

588
00:32:10.395 --> 00:32:12.440
<i>He wouldn't tell me
how old he was at the time,</i>

589
00:32:12.464 --> 00:32:15.232
<i>but he was 44 or 45.</i>

590
00:32:16.334 --> 00:32:18.246
I knew of him, of course,

591
00:32:18.270 --> 00:32:21.204
but I was walking
my dog in the park

592
00:32:21.272 --> 00:32:23.206
and he asked somebody,
"Who is that?"

593
00:32:23.274 --> 00:32:24.852
And then he started to call,

594
00:32:24.876 --> 00:32:27.678
and I'm like, "No, I'm not interested
in going out with anybody now.

595
00:32:27.745 --> 00:32:30.013
I'm just ending a relationship."

596
00:32:30.081 --> 00:32:31.815
So he just kept calling.

597
00:32:31.882 --> 00:32:35.218
And then I eventually
did go out to eat with him.

598
00:32:35.286 --> 00:32:36.853
<i>He was very persuasive.</i>

599
00:32:38.890 --> 00:32:41.224
<i>He loved his family.</i>

600
00:32:41.292 --> 00:32:45.295
And he loved going to Bill's
house and seeing all the kids.

601
00:32:46.564 --> 00:32:49.166
<i>He was really part
of that family, you know?</i>

602
00:32:49.233 --> 00:32:52.013
<i>There may have been a long
period of time sometimes</i>

603
00:32:52.037 --> 00:32:54.972
that he didn't come in there,
but he just loved it.

604
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.975
And was close to nieces
and nephews

605
00:32:58.042 --> 00:32:59.710
<i>after for a long, long time</i>

606
00:33:01.913 --> 00:33:04.314
[female newsreader]<i> Elected</i>
<i>to the State Senate in 1970,</i>

607
00:33:04.382 --> 00:33:08.830
<i>Bulger became Senate President
in 1978 at the age of 44.</i>

608
00:33:08.854 --> 00:33:10.253
[journalist] President,
congratulations.

609
00:33:10.321 --> 00:33:11.254
A bit of a surprise.

610
00:33:11.322 --> 00:33:13.323
Obviously, you weren't
taken aback by it all.

611
00:33:13.391 --> 00:33:17.839
No, the Senate President
Kevin Harrington had informed me

612
00:33:17.863 --> 00:33:19.307
last week
that he was thinking of it

613
00:33:19.331 --> 00:33:23.467
and he made up his mind a
couple of days ago to do this.

614
00:33:29.673 --> 00:33:31.919
[Murphy] <i>If you go back
to the old movies, right?</i>

615
00:33:31.943 --> 00:33:33.388
<i>The good brother,
the bad brother,</i>

616
00:33:33.412 --> 00:33:35.278
The Angels with Dirty Faces,
<i>right?</i>

617
00:33:35.346 --> 00:33:36.980
<i>It's sort of an age-old story.</i>

618
00:33:38.015 --> 00:33:40.417
<i>You have Billy Bulger,
who was arguably</i>

619
00:33:40.484 --> 00:33:42.486
<i>the most powerful politician
in the state,</i>

620
00:33:42.553 --> 00:33:45.666
<i>the long time President
of the Massachusetts Senate.</i>

621
00:33:45.690 --> 00:33:47.758
<i>And at the same time,
you have his brother,</i>

622
00:33:47.825 --> 00:33:50.327
this notorious gangster.

623
00:33:52.563 --> 00:33:54.142
<i>To me, the story is fascinating</i>

624
00:33:54.166 --> 00:33:55.877
<i>because it's not
black and white.</i>

625
00:33:55.901 --> 00:33:59.102
<i>There's lots of different
complexities to it.</i>

626
00:33:59.170 --> 00:34:01.505
<i>Trying to get
at that relationship</i>

627
00:34:01.572 --> 00:34:02.950
<i>and how they interact</i>

628
00:34:02.974 --> 00:34:04.875
<i>and what their relationship is.</i>

629
00:34:06.177 --> 00:34:08.156
They're very protective
of each other.

630
00:34:08.180 --> 00:34:10.647
Whitey was careful
not to embarrass him.

631
00:34:10.714 --> 00:34:13.494
When their mother died,
Whitey made sure

632
00:34:13.518 --> 00:34:15.185
that there was no opportunity

633
00:34:15.252 --> 00:34:17.031
for a photo
of the two brothers together.

634
00:34:17.055 --> 00:34:18.789
But there were intersections.

635
00:34:18.856 --> 00:34:20.368
I mean, there were
things that happened

636
00:34:20.392 --> 00:34:23.971
that really
triggered media scrutiny.

637
00:34:23.995 --> 00:34:26.641
[Wallace] Boston<i> magazine did a
story called "The Brothers Bulger"</i>

638
00:34:26.665 --> 00:34:27.775
<i>and they came to me,
and they said,</i>

639
00:34:27.799 --> 00:34:30.600
<i>"You know both Bulgers,
how do you separate them?"</i>

640
00:34:30.668 --> 00:34:32.046
<i>"I said, "Well, if
you're sitting in a room</i>

641
00:34:32.070 --> 00:34:33.203
<i>and you close your eyes,</i>

642
00:34:33.270 --> 00:34:34.715
<i>"you wouldn't know
which was which," I said.</i>

643
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:37.185
<i>"They're both intelligent,
well-spoken, well-read,</i>

644
00:34:37.209 --> 00:34:39.476
can talk on any subject."

645
00:34:39.543 --> 00:34:42.523
I said, "They're just,
they're brilliant people."

646
00:34:42.547 --> 00:34:45.193
So about a week later,
I was going to Triple O's

647
00:34:45.217 --> 00:34:47.061
on a Friday afternoon after work

648
00:34:47.085 --> 00:34:48.863
and I feel this gun in my neck,

649
00:34:48.887 --> 00:34:51.688
<i>and I'm like, "Oh, my...
What's going on here?"</i>

650
00:34:51.755 --> 00:34:54.001
<i>And I hear his laugh.</i>

651
00:34:54.025 --> 00:34:55.625
And he said, "I saw that quote."

652
00:34:55.693 --> 00:34:56.871
He said, "You're learning."

653
00:34:56.895 --> 00:34:59.429
He said,
"I like that you're learning."

654
00:35:01.432 --> 00:35:03.567
[Weeks] <i>He was proud of his
brother. He loved his brother.</i>

655
00:35:04.835 --> 00:35:06.169
<i>I'd go up the house with them.</i>

656
00:35:06.237 --> 00:35:09.406
<i>His brother lived on East
Third Street, and we'd go inside.</i>

657
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.220
And they basically
talked about the kids,

658
00:35:12.244 --> 00:35:14.244
talked about education.

659
00:35:14.311 --> 00:35:17.358
I mean, it sounds crazy, but
that's what they talked about.

660
00:35:17.382 --> 00:35:20.383
Talked about what was going on
in the town, talked about politics,

661
00:35:20.451 --> 00:35:23.431
talked about everyday stuff
that you'd see in the paper

662
00:35:23.455 --> 00:35:24.955
and on the news and everything.

663
00:35:25.523 --> 00:35:26.901
<i>He was very careful.</i>

664
00:35:26.925 --> 00:35:29.237
<i>He sheltered his brother,
you know?</i>

665
00:35:29.261 --> 00:35:31.528
I mean, Billy's not stupid.

666
00:35:31.595 --> 00:35:34.264
And he probably heard a lot
of stories about his brother,

667
00:35:34.331 --> 00:35:36.266
what he was doing out there
and stuff,

668
00:35:36.333 --> 00:35:38.179
but it was never
confirmed to him.

669
00:35:38.203 --> 00:35:39.402
No one ever told him, you know,

670
00:35:39.470 --> 00:35:41.638
exactly this happened
or that happened.

671
00:35:45.476 --> 00:35:47.277
[Weld]
<i>No one inside the State House</i>

672
00:35:47.344 --> 00:35:49.079
<i>really ever thought
about Whitey Bulger</i>

673
00:35:49.146 --> 00:35:51.081
<i>and Bill Bulger
in the same breath.</i>

674
00:35:51.148 --> 00:35:52.215
<i>Except maybe me.</i>

675
00:35:52.283 --> 00:35:55.796
<i>I had indicted Whitey Bulger
in a narcotics case</i>

676
00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:59.289
under seal to prevent him
from fleeing back in the '80s

677
00:35:59.356 --> 00:36:00.868
when I was US Attorney.

678
00:36:00.892 --> 00:36:01.936
So I knew a bit about him.

679
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.204
The word on the street was

680
00:36:03.228 --> 00:36:05.829
Whitey kept the drugs
out of South Boston?

681
00:36:05.896 --> 00:36:07.008
Complete lie.

682
00:36:07.032 --> 00:36:10.233
Quite the contrary was true.

683
00:36:10.301 --> 00:36:11.501
So I knew all about

684
00:36:11.569 --> 00:36:13.503
the nefarious deeds
of Bill's brother,

685
00:36:13.571 --> 00:36:15.305
but I just never made
any connection there.

686
00:36:15.372 --> 00:36:17.107
And if I wasn't going
to make that connection,

687
00:36:17.174 --> 00:36:19.176
believe me, nobody else was.

688
00:36:19.243 --> 00:36:21.355
I wouldn't have known Whitey
Bulger if I'd fallen over him.

689
00:36:21.379 --> 00:36:22.957
I had no idea who he was.

690
00:36:22.981 --> 00:36:26.449
He had nothing to do with
government as far as I could see.

691
00:36:26.517 --> 00:36:28.451
No impact on public policy.

692
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.587
I had no idea what he was doing.

693
00:36:30.654 --> 00:36:33.590
I mean,
the dominant Bulger brother

694
00:36:33.657 --> 00:36:36.293
was the Senate President,
not this other guy.

695
00:36:38.329 --> 00:36:41.709
<i>The state government
that he and I entered</i>

696
00:36:41.733 --> 00:36:45.335
<i>in 1960 and 1962
as young state legislators,</i>

697
00:36:45.402 --> 00:36:48.916
<i>it was one of the three or
four more corrupted in America.</i>

698
00:36:48.940 --> 00:36:51.141
Bill Bulger was the guy
that brought integrity

699
00:36:51.208 --> 00:36:52.943
to the Massachusetts
State Senate.

700
00:36:54.745 --> 00:36:56.591
Nobody understands this.

701
00:36:56.615 --> 00:36:59.616
<i>Sadly,
not really well recognized,</i>

702
00:36:59.683 --> 00:37:02.396
<i>what he did to set
those kinds of high standards</i>

703
00:37:02.420 --> 00:37:03.887
<i>and maintain them.</i>

704
00:37:03.954 --> 00:37:06.089
<i>And we're benefiting
from that now.</i>

705
00:37:06.156 --> 00:37:10.671
And I think he has a right
to take a pretty good chunk

706
00:37:10.695 --> 00:37:12.762
of the credit
for helping to make that.

707
00:37:16.233 --> 00:37:20.036
[Bowns] <i>He seemed to be
someone who believed in power</i>

708
00:37:20.104 --> 00:37:22.906
and wielding power
to get things done.

709
00:37:22.973 --> 00:37:25.486
[applause]

710
00:37:25.510 --> 00:37:27.555
[Bowns] <i>I'd say he's
someone who's very principled,</i>

711
00:37:27.579 --> 00:37:29.890
<i>very religious.</i>

712
00:37:29.914 --> 00:37:32.649
<i>I think
he's a compassionate man,</i>

713
00:37:32.716 --> 00:37:37.031
soft spot in his heart for
the most vulnerable people,

714
00:37:37.055 --> 00:37:38.455
poor people, children,

715
00:37:39.056 --> 00:37:41.591
<i>and very stubborn.</i>

716
00:37:41.659 --> 00:37:44.261
Won't compromise
on his convictions.

717
00:37:44.328 --> 00:37:46.774
A recession is not
a moral justification

718
00:37:46.798 --> 00:37:50.900
for casually punishing
the helpless, the homeless,

719
00:37:51.736 --> 00:37:54.070
the sick, the disadvantaged.

720
00:37:56.207 --> 00:37:58.808
We cannot
and we must not squander

721
00:37:58.876 --> 00:38:01.945
a half century
of social progress

722
00:38:02.012 --> 00:38:05.726
to pay the bills
of a difficult year.

723
00:38:05.750 --> 00:38:09.797
We cannot turn our backs
on the education of the young

724
00:38:09.821 --> 00:38:11.621
or the care of the elderly.

725
00:38:13.223 --> 00:38:17.093
We cannot, and I am confident
that we shall not,

726
00:38:17.161 --> 00:38:20.630
be found wanting
in performing the work

727
00:38:20.698 --> 00:38:24.567
that we have been
so clearly sent here to do.

728
00:38:24.635 --> 00:38:25.802
Thank you very much.

729
00:38:26.437 --> 00:38:27.937
[applause]

730
00:38:43.454 --> 00:38:46.790
[William] <i>He wasn't very
open about things with us.</i>

731
00:38:48.325 --> 00:38:50.994
<i>"It would be, " Don't worry.</i>

732
00:38:51.061 --> 00:38:56.377
<i>It's not anything like that,"
sort of reassuring.</i>

733
00:38:56.401 --> 00:38:59.246
<i>"There's nothing
to be concerned about."</i>

734
00:38:59.270 --> 00:39:03.506
But all of the indicia
were there.

735
00:39:04.542 --> 00:39:05.842
And...

736
00:39:07.344 --> 00:39:11.381
You knew you had
something to worry about.

737
00:39:22.626 --> 00:39:24.260
[Nee clears throat]

738
00:39:29.500 --> 00:39:30.734
This is the Mullen Club.

739
00:39:32.102 --> 00:39:34.104
This is where we socialized.

740
00:39:34.171 --> 00:39:35.672
All the fighting was over,

741
00:39:35.706 --> 00:39:38.975
so you wouldn't have to duck
and weave anymore and hide.

742
00:39:39.042 --> 00:39:41.845
We would socialize here.
We would drink here.

743
00:39:41.912 --> 00:39:43.313
We ran dice games here.

744
00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:44.892
We ran card games here.

745
00:39:44.916 --> 00:39:46.560
We did cookouts in back.

746
00:39:46.584 --> 00:39:49.163
Everyone would come here
if they wanted to see us,

747
00:39:49.187 --> 00:39:51.154
including the police
and the FBI.

748
00:39:55.726 --> 00:39:57.571
<i>He would come by night</i>

749
00:39:57.595 --> 00:39:59.974
<i>and come in and all
the beer would go flat.</i>

750
00:39:59.998 --> 00:40:01.308
<i>But he didn't drink.</i>

751
00:40:01.332 --> 00:40:02.999
<i>He'd hang around a little bit.</i>

752
00:40:03.066 --> 00:40:04.411
<i>He didn't like to shake hands.</i>

753
00:40:04.435 --> 00:40:05.802
<i>He didn't like to touch people.</i>

754
00:40:05.869 --> 00:40:07.715
He would immediately
go in the bathroom.

755
00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:08.983
Most people didn't catch on,

756
00:40:09.007 --> 00:40:12.119
but he'd go in and wash his
hands and he'd come back out.

757
00:40:12.143 --> 00:40:13.576
He didn't like contact.

758
00:40:16.347 --> 00:40:18.526
<i>He loved that people
would be fearful of him.</i>

759
00:40:18.550 --> 00:40:20.283
<i>He really got off on it.</i>

760
00:40:20.350 --> 00:40:23.553
<i>You know, little by little, we're
starting to pick up on this stuff.</i>

761
00:40:23.620 --> 00:40:26.534
<i>This is not going
to be a good relationship.</i>

762
00:40:26.558 --> 00:40:29.292
But we didn't know how bad
it was going to turn out to be.

763
00:40:29.359 --> 00:40:31.161
He was not a good guy
to be around.

764
00:40:35.366 --> 00:40:39.369
[Weeks] <i>Unless we were doing
something it was really boring.</i>

765
00:40:39.436 --> 00:40:41.682
<i>Once a week, you'd go by,
you'd pick up the envelopes.</i>

766
00:40:41.706 --> 00:40:43.684
<i>People would drop off money,
you pick it up.</i>

767
00:40:43.708 --> 00:40:46.776
<i>You really didn't have
too much to do.</i>

768
00:40:46.844 --> 00:40:49.712
<i>Then when you had a problem,
everything stopped</i>

769
00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:51.848
and you'd be out 24 hours a day.

770
00:40:56.520 --> 00:40:59.366
<i>The people we'd grab, most
of them were involved in drugs.</i>

771
00:40:59.390 --> 00:41:01.191
<i>They were big drug dealers.</i>

772
00:41:01.258 --> 00:41:02.792
<i>And they were the people
that brought in</i>

773
00:41:02.860 --> 00:41:04.928
<i>by the boat loads
or different things.</i>

774
00:41:04.995 --> 00:41:07.775
<i>We'd grab them and tell them
that they were going to pay us.</i>

775
00:41:07.799 --> 00:41:11.534
Oh, I remember one time
we got this fellow,

776
00:41:11.602 --> 00:41:13.336
talked to him for 20 minutes.

777
00:41:13.403 --> 00:41:17.518
And next day he showed up
with a hockey bag

778
00:41:17.542 --> 00:41:19.142
with $500,000 in it.

779
00:41:22.346 --> 00:41:26.393
<i>One fellow we shook down,
we got $1.6 million off him.</i>

780
00:41:26.417 --> 00:41:28.929
<i>So there's a lot of money
coming in.</i>

781
00:41:28.953 --> 00:41:31.020
[interviewer] Were you
bribing those guys? Just--

782
00:41:31.088 --> 00:41:34.023
[laughing] Bribing them? No.

783
00:41:34.091 --> 00:41:35.959
[interviewer] What were they
giving you this money for?

784
00:41:36.026 --> 00:41:37.060
For their life.

785
00:41:39.496 --> 00:41:41.064
[ominous music playing]

786
00:41:46.169 --> 00:41:51.685
For Jim Bulger, Whitey,
violence was his last option.

787
00:41:51.709 --> 00:41:55.111
He would use anything
in his arsenal up until that,

788
00:41:55.178 --> 00:41:57.580
<i>whether it was scaring people
or intimidating people,</i>

789
00:41:57.648 --> 00:42:00.717
<i>beating people,
whatever... to get his way.</i>

790
00:42:02.586 --> 00:42:05.121
<i>But when he decided
to use violence,</i>

791
00:42:05.188 --> 00:42:07.501
especially against someone
that was capable...

792
00:42:07.525 --> 00:42:10.037
He decided on killing them,
he was going to kill them.

793
00:42:10.061 --> 00:42:11.861
And there was
no changing his mind.

794
00:42:14.398 --> 00:42:17.177
<i>It was just business with him.</i>

795
00:42:17.201 --> 00:42:18.668
He'd put everything into it.

796
00:42:18.735 --> 00:42:22.182
After he killed someone,
he'd be nice and relaxed.

797
00:42:22.206 --> 00:42:24.985
It's kind of like taking
a Valium or something.

798
00:42:25.009 --> 00:42:26.587
He just...

799
00:42:26.611 --> 00:42:28.478
It was over and that was it.
It was done.

800
00:42:28.545 --> 00:42:30.446
And then he'd be
on to something else.

801
00:42:31.081 --> 00:42:32.615
[brooding music playing]

802
00:42:36.554 --> 00:42:37.998
[Wallace]<i> If he liked you</i>

803
00:42:38.022 --> 00:42:40.134
<i>and he wanted you
for whatever, he would...</i>

804
00:42:40.158 --> 00:42:41.535
<i>He would bring you in.</i>

805
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.338
And then he'd make you
do something

806
00:42:44.362 --> 00:42:47.163
so that you couldn't get out
because he had that on you.

807
00:42:47.230 --> 00:42:48.765
Like Kevin buried the bodies.

808
00:42:48.832 --> 00:42:49.944
Kevin couldn't get out.

809
00:42:49.968 --> 00:42:51.345
I mean, if Whitey'd get caught,

810
00:42:51.369 --> 00:42:53.303
he's gonna say, "Kevin
buried those bodies there."

811
00:42:53.370 --> 00:42:57.440
So it was just this whole game
that they were playing.

812
00:42:57.507 --> 00:42:59.486
It wasn't a game, though.
They were killing people.

813
00:42:59.510 --> 00:43:02.078
They killed some of my friends.

814
00:43:06.249 --> 00:43:07.884
[ominous music playing]

815
00:43:17.461 --> 00:43:19.840
[William]<i> You don't want a
battle of wits. You're unarmed.</i>

816
00:43:19.864 --> 00:43:22.665
I mean, we don't... [laughing]

817
00:43:22.733 --> 00:43:24.467
I'm only kidding.

818
00:43:24.534 --> 00:43:26.669
My brother
will be asking for you.

819
00:43:26.737 --> 00:43:28.649
[laughter and applause]

820
00:43:28.673 --> 00:43:30.540
He's got a great sense of
humor. He's a funny bastard.

821
00:43:30.607 --> 00:43:34.188
He has a great ability
to assess a situation

822
00:43:34.212 --> 00:43:35.812
and come up funny on it.

823
00:43:35.879 --> 00:43:38.325
This guy is dangerous. He
could end up in the White House.

824
00:43:38.349 --> 00:43:39.782
He's like Mr. Magoo.

825
00:43:40.618 --> 00:43:42.329
Right off the edge of the cliff.

826
00:43:42.353 --> 00:43:45.555
- And, oh, an eagle comes along.
- [laughter]

827
00:43:45.622 --> 00:43:49.069
Brother,
he always lands on his feet.

828
00:43:49.093 --> 00:43:50.693
"Oh, I just made a minor mistake

829
00:43:50.761 --> 00:43:53.340
for $1.5 million
in my tax return."

830
00:43:53.364 --> 00:43:54.897
[laughter]

831
00:43:54.965 --> 00:43:58.078
Can you imagine if I
had made a little mistake?

832
00:43:58.102 --> 00:43:59.013
[applause]

833
00:43:59.037 --> 00:44:00.347
[Weld] <i>He'd make fun of me</i>

834
00:44:00.371 --> 00:44:02.238
<i>for worshipping
in wooden churches</i>

835
00:44:02.305 --> 00:44:04.574
<i>and my people having come over</i>

836
00:44:04.641 --> 00:44:07.710
<i>on the</i> Mayflower
<i>and silver spoon,</i>

837
00:44:07.778 --> 00:44:10.113
and I was Irish
on my chauffeur's side

838
00:44:10.180 --> 00:44:11.425
and all that sort of thing.

839
00:44:11.449 --> 00:44:14.050
Got a lot of good lines,
good laugh.

840
00:44:14.117 --> 00:44:17.654
No one loves a joke like
the Irish. It's really terrific.

841
00:44:17.721 --> 00:44:21.391
I didn't know Protestants get
up this early on Sunday morning.

842
00:44:21.458 --> 00:44:23.170
Really good to see you.

843
00:44:23.194 --> 00:44:25.172
We're not going to pick on you
today or something like that.

844
00:44:25.196 --> 00:44:27.930
Somebody said, "Don't be
too hard." It was your wife.

845
00:44:28.465 --> 00:44:31.645
[laughter]

846
00:44:31.669 --> 00:44:34.381
[Dukakis]<i> I loved going to the
breakfasts. They were hilarious.</i>

847
00:44:34.405 --> 00:44:35.783
If it's a broken convention,

848
00:44:35.807 --> 00:44:38.986
we're going to use
your old charisma...

849
00:44:39.010 --> 00:44:42.612
[Dukakis]<i> They were a feature</i>
<i>of political life of Boston.</i>

850
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.059
<i>I mean, if you were anybody, you
better get down to that breakfast.</i>

851
00:44:45.083 --> 00:44:47.061
And if you went down there,

852
00:44:47.085 --> 00:44:51.487
you should expect
to be raked over.

853
00:44:51.555 --> 00:44:53.089
I know this is going to
disappoint some of you,

854
00:44:54.625 --> 00:44:57.493
but I'm not going to be a
candidate for the presidency...

855
00:44:57.561 --> 00:44:59.195
of the Massachusetts
State Senate.

856
00:45:00.897 --> 00:45:02.365
[laughter and applause]

857
00:45:04.568 --> 00:45:07.904
You're keeping us in suspense,
Governor.

858
00:45:09.707 --> 00:45:12.375
He's still waiting to hear.
Chitty, tell him.

859
00:45:12.442 --> 00:45:13.976
[laughter]

860
00:45:15.912 --> 00:45:20.450
The one weakness he had,
and I say this respectfully,

861
00:45:20.517 --> 00:45:24.565
was that he just wouldn't
spend a lot of time

862
00:45:24.589 --> 00:45:27.034
thinking about
his media relationships.

863
00:45:27.058 --> 00:45:29.726
Marty Nolan from the<i> Globe</i>
said, "Well, Mr. President,

864
00:45:29.793 --> 00:45:31.327
looks like a nice day,
doesn't it?"

865
00:45:31.394 --> 00:45:34.308
- I said, "I never mind your trick questions."
- [laughter]

866
00:45:34.332 --> 00:45:37.111
The<i> Boston Globe</i> and Bill Bulger

867
00:45:37.135 --> 00:45:39.513
really didn't get along
all that well,

868
00:45:39.537 --> 00:45:42.205
and he didn't mind saying so.

869
00:45:42.272 --> 00:45:44.051
Didn't mind sharing his opinion

870
00:45:44.075 --> 00:45:46.142
of "the sullens
of the Fourth Estate,"

871
00:45:46.209 --> 00:45:49.545
as he sometimes called them.

872
00:45:49.613 --> 00:45:52.326
[William]<i> Do we need</i>
<i>any greater assurance</i>

873
00:45:52.350 --> 00:45:54.528
<i>of the excellence
of this candidate</i>

874
00:45:54.552 --> 00:45:56.330
<i>than to know</i>
<i>that the</i> Boston Globe

875
00:45:56.354 --> 00:45:58.821
has endorsed his opponent?

876
00:45:58.889 --> 00:46:01.557
Is there any greater assurance
needed?

877
00:46:01.625 --> 00:46:03.003
[applause]

878
00:46:03.027 --> 00:46:05.606
[Connolly] <i>He had a different
philosophy from the</i> Boston Globe

879
00:46:05.630 --> 00:46:08.865
<i>because he would never respond
to their requests.</i>

880
00:46:08.899 --> 00:46:11.545
He was always, you know,
"You didn't elect me.

881
00:46:11.569 --> 00:46:14.637
I'll be responsible to my
constituents, not to you."

882
00:46:17.574 --> 00:46:20.777
<i>It became a personal grudge</i>

883
00:46:20.844 --> 00:46:25.025
<i>between Bill Bulger
and Gerald O'Neill</i>

884
00:46:25.049 --> 00:46:27.784
<i>and Dick Lehr from the</i> Globe.

885
00:46:33.924 --> 00:46:36.370
If you read their book,
they say,

886
00:46:36.394 --> 00:46:39.439
"In the pantheon
of American criminals,

887
00:46:39.463 --> 00:46:42.632
Whitey stands out
above all of them,

888
00:46:42.666 --> 00:46:47.003
<i>above Gotti, above Al Capone.
They have him at the top.</i>

889
00:46:47.070 --> 00:46:49.639
<i>Whitey wasn't even
at the top in Boston.</i>

890
00:46:50.674 --> 00:46:52.408
<i>So you just look at that.</i>

891
00:46:52.475 --> 00:46:53.876
It makes no sense

892
00:46:53.944 --> 00:46:56.056
unless they're really
trying to do something

893
00:46:56.080 --> 00:46:58.859
other than what they're doing,
which is to take down Bill,

894
00:46:58.883 --> 00:47:01.662
because
of their hatred for Bill.

895
00:47:01.686 --> 00:47:03.986
[ominous music playing]

896
00:47:06.423 --> 00:47:08.958
[Bill]<i> The big target</i>
<i>was my dad very often.</i>

897
00:47:09.025 --> 00:47:11.138
<i>You know, that's what I think
was going on.</i>

898
00:47:11.162 --> 00:47:13.362
<i>They would love to get
Senate President Bulger.</i>

899
00:47:13.430 --> 00:47:15.364
You know, they tried
numerous times

900
00:47:15.432 --> 00:47:18.100
to concoct stories and have
people come in.

901
00:47:18.168 --> 00:47:20.636
And if they could tie
my Uncle Jim to him

902
00:47:20.704 --> 00:47:22.950
in order to tear him down
in his career,

903
00:47:22.974 --> 00:47:24.540
they would make
a name for themselves.

904
00:47:27.978 --> 00:47:29.512
[Dan]
<i>I've even read the headline,</i>

905
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:33.026
"William Bulger
Is the Head of the Mob."

906
00:47:33.050 --> 00:47:36.986
There could be nothing
any further from the truth.

907
00:47:41.925 --> 00:47:44.994
[Shelley]<i> I think the job</i>
<i>of the media is to lay it out,</i>

908
00:47:45.061 --> 00:47:46.440
let people know.

909
00:47:46.464 --> 00:47:49.109
And I think
that if you're a politician,

910
00:47:49.133 --> 00:47:52.034
you're going to come under
a lot of scrutiny anyway.

911
00:47:54.538 --> 00:47:59.920
<i>If you're a politician with a
brother who's killing people,</i>

912
00:47:59.944 --> 00:48:01.855
part of the story
is the brother.

913
00:48:01.879 --> 00:48:02.945
I mean, that's part of it.

914
00:48:12.956 --> 00:48:17.004
[Alan Dershowitz] <i>The investigation
was directed at an accusation</i>

915
00:48:17.028 --> 00:48:20.830
that Senator Bulger had
committed a serious felony,

916
00:48:20.897 --> 00:48:26.235
namely, had accepted
a $250,000 bribe

917
00:48:26.303 --> 00:48:28.371
indirectly through another
attorney.

918
00:48:28.438 --> 00:48:31.752
I don't care whether you...
Listen, Mr. Chairman.

919
00:48:31.776 --> 00:48:35.555
There's never anybody has made
such an accusation against me,

920
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:38.492
except for Silverglate
and Dershowitz.

921
00:48:38.516 --> 00:48:42.318
He's been accused of all kinds
of crazy things in the media

922
00:48:42.385 --> 00:48:44.031
but never charged with anything.

923
00:48:44.055 --> 00:48:46.566
They are reckless
and they are liars

924
00:48:46.590 --> 00:48:50.426
and they have no moral
constraints upon them.

925
00:48:51.128 --> 00:48:52.995
Look at them.

926
00:48:53.063 --> 00:48:55.442
They are beneath contempt
in my view

927
00:48:55.466 --> 00:48:58.245
I hope I'm making myself clear.

928
00:48:58.269 --> 00:49:00.536
[Jimmy]<i> They throw around the
word "corrupt." He's not corrupt.</i>

929
00:49:00.603 --> 00:49:04.384
<i>He's the most honest guy
that has ever walked.</i>

930
00:49:04.408 --> 00:49:07.321
<i>The real sad part of the whole
story of the Bulgers</i>

931
00:49:07.345 --> 00:49:09.145
is what they've done
to his reputation,

932
00:49:09.212 --> 00:49:12.081
because that narrative
is just absolutely false.

933
00:49:14.284 --> 00:49:16.652
[dramatic music playing]

934
00:49:21.958 --> 00:49:23.559
[Gelzinis]
<i>There's two poles in the town.</i>

935
00:49:23.626 --> 00:49:26.963
Then. Okay, there was
the criminal pole

936
00:49:27.030 --> 00:49:28.742
and there was
the political pole.

937
00:49:28.766 --> 00:49:30.700
Two forces of gravity.

938
00:49:30.767 --> 00:49:34.303
And they were both controlled
by the Bulger brothers.

939
00:49:37.975 --> 00:49:40.287
<i>Those two brothers actually were</i>

940
00:49:40.311 --> 00:49:42.578
<i>the sort of center
of the universe</i>

941
00:49:42.645 --> 00:49:44.758
<i>in the town for a long time.</i>

942
00:49:44.782 --> 00:49:46.849
[dramatic music continues]

943
00:49:59.463 --> 00:50:01.174
[animated music playing]

944
00:50:01.198 --> 00:50:03.733
[newsreader] <i>Indicted this
week for 12 counts of racketeering</i>

945
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:04.978
<i>and extortion,</i>

946
00:50:05.002 --> 00:50:08.204
<i>James "Whitey" Bulger
is a shadowy figure</i>

947
00:50:08.271 --> 00:50:11.207
<i>caught on surveillance photos
and police wiretaps.</i>

948
00:50:11.274 --> 00:50:12.608
[female newsreader]<i> The FBI</i>
<i>revealed that Bulger</i>

949
00:50:12.675 --> 00:50:15.255
<i>had been
an underworld informant,</i>

950
00:50:15.279 --> 00:50:17.924
<i>helping them collect evidence
against the New England Mob.</i>

951
00:50:17.948 --> 00:50:21.183
<i>His handler was disgraced
FBI agent John Connolly.</i>

952
00:50:22.952 --> 00:50:27.823
[Connolly] <i>John Connolly
became an FBI agent in 1968.</i>

953
00:50:27.891 --> 00:50:31.761
<i>The FBI wanted to partner
with top criminals</i>

954
00:50:31.828 --> 00:50:34.563
who had access
to other top criminals.

955
00:50:34.631 --> 00:50:37.700
They wanted to have a
long-term relationship with them,

956
00:50:37.767 --> 00:50:40.036
and they didn't want
anyone to know about it.

957
00:50:40.103 --> 00:50:42.972
Remember, these are our most
important assets that we have,

958
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.307
informants. I mean, they're
the name of the game.

959
00:50:45.375 --> 00:50:47.554
You're going to get friendly with
them and you're going to like them.

960
00:50:47.578 --> 00:50:51.013
But you never forget
who you work for.

961
00:50:51.782 --> 00:50:54.316
[brooding music playing]

962
00:50:54.384 --> 00:50:56.763
[Weeks] <i>I didn't really know
about the friendly relationship</i>

963
00:50:56.787 --> 00:50:59.121
<i>between John Connolly
and Jim Bulger</i>

964
00:50:59.189 --> 00:51:01.368
<i>till, I'd say, early '80s.</i>

965
00:51:01.392 --> 00:51:05.061
<i>And I found out we're paying
John Connolly for information.</i>

966
00:51:05.128 --> 00:51:06.996
<i>The FBI is trying to do this.</i>

967
00:51:07.063 --> 00:51:09.042
<i>The State Police
are trying to do that.</i>

968
00:51:09.066 --> 00:51:10.800
<i>The DEA is trying to do this.</i>

969
00:51:10.867 --> 00:51:12.446
<i>The Boston Police
are trying to do that.</i>

970
00:51:12.470 --> 00:51:16.183
He let us know of all these
investigations going on, on us.

971
00:51:16.207 --> 00:51:17.807
And that's how
we avoided them all,

972
00:51:17.874 --> 00:51:19.708
because
we were getting tipped off.

973
00:51:22.212 --> 00:51:24.991
[Wallace]<i> John Connolly idolized
Whitey when he was growing up as a kid.</i>

974
00:51:25.015 --> 00:51:27.149
<i>They grew up in the project,
both of them.</i>

975
00:51:27.217 --> 00:51:29.529
<i>Whitey saved him one
time he was getting beat up.</i>

976
00:51:29.553 --> 00:51:32.999
<i>I think he got taken care of
his whole life by Whitey.</i>

977
00:51:33.023 --> 00:51:35.335
<i>I mean, John would wear
these $5,000 suits</i>

978
00:51:35.359 --> 00:51:37.204
<i>and these cuff links that cost
more than my house.</i>

979
00:51:37.228 --> 00:51:38.672
<i>And he had the hair all done.</i>

980
00:51:38.696 --> 00:51:41.030
<i>He looked like someone</i>
<i>out of</i> Goodfellas.

981
00:51:42.899 --> 00:51:43.966
<i>Whitey pulled him in.</i>

982
00:51:44.033 --> 00:51:46.146
<i>He pulled him in,
and then he got him in so far</i>

983
00:51:46.170 --> 00:51:48.170
<i>that he was in,
he couldn't get out.</i>

984
00:51:50.907 --> 00:51:53.042
December 23, 1994.

985
00:51:53.109 --> 00:51:55.644
John Connolly came down
to the liquor store.

986
00:51:55.712 --> 00:51:57.847
And he was looking for
Whitey and Stevie.

987
00:51:57.914 --> 00:51:59.048
He couldn't find them,

988
00:51:59.115 --> 00:52:01.383
<i>so he come up to me
and he told me</i>

989
00:52:01.451 --> 00:52:04.364
<i>that the indictments
were coming down.</i>

990
00:52:04.388 --> 00:52:07.056
So I called Jim Bulger,
I beeped him.

991
00:52:07.123 --> 00:52:09.903
He came down, saw me.
We took a ride.

992
00:52:09.927 --> 00:52:13.129
<i>Within 30 minutes, he was
gone. Packed up and gone.</i>

993
00:52:15.799 --> 00:52:17.766
[intriguing music]

994
00:52:54.971 --> 00:52:56.883
<i>For the first</i>

995
00:52:56.907 --> 00:53:01.877
<i>35 years of my life,
I was Bill Bulger's son.</i>

996
00:53:04.714 --> 00:53:08.117
<i>Once all that burst onto
the scene with the arrests</i>

997
00:53:08.184 --> 00:53:12.254
<i>and him going on the run,
suddenly it flips.</i>

998
00:53:12.322 --> 00:53:14.323
<i>You become Jim Bulger's nephew.</i>

999
00:53:15.859 --> 00:53:17.971
<i>You know, "Are you
related to that Bulger?"</i>

1000
00:53:17.995 --> 00:53:20.440
<i>No one ever asked me
that years ago.</i>

1001
00:53:20.464 --> 00:53:24.311
They would ask me if I was
related to Bill, you know,

1002
00:53:24.335 --> 00:53:28.604
and it's kind of
turned on his head

1003
00:53:28.671 --> 00:53:32.007
because while my father was
a very visible person, right?

1004
00:53:32.075 --> 00:53:34.076
He had a very visible job,

1005
00:53:34.143 --> 00:53:37.146
and his brother, by nature,
was invisible.

1006
00:53:39.015 --> 00:53:40.126
Whatever he was doing,

1007
00:53:40.150 --> 00:53:41.817
and we weren't
even totally aware

1008
00:53:41.884 --> 00:53:44.864
of what that fellow was doing.
No one is.

1009
00:53:44.888 --> 00:53:47.623
If you're in that life,
you keep it quiet.

1010
00:53:51.628 --> 00:53:53.273
<i>Bear in mind,</i>

1011
00:53:53.297 --> 00:53:56.432
until the time they heaped
all these charges on them,

1012
00:53:56.499 --> 00:53:59.813
there was, we never
had any idea, he, uh,

1013
00:53:59.837 --> 00:54:02.749
that these things
he was accused of,

1014
00:54:02.773 --> 00:54:05.218
that was not known.

1015
00:54:05.242 --> 00:54:06.976
None of us
would have known that.

1016
00:54:07.043 --> 00:54:09.245
Do you understand what I mean?

1017
00:54:09.312 --> 00:54:11.358
You know, being a bookmaker
is different.

1018
00:54:11.382 --> 00:54:12.381
You know?

1019
00:54:12.448 --> 00:54:13.827
There was a booking in every bar

1020
00:54:13.851 --> 00:54:15.317
and someone had to be the bank.

1021
00:54:15.385 --> 00:54:18.254
But I don't, you know, as far
as all the other charges.

1022
00:54:19.589 --> 00:54:20.556
No one...

1023
00:54:25.061 --> 00:54:27.596
[ominous music]

1024
00:54:38.408 --> 00:54:40.587
[woman]<i> Whitey Bulger's</i>
<i>relationship with the FBI</i>

1025
00:54:40.611 --> 00:54:43.323
<i>was exposed shortly
after he went on the run.</i>

1026
00:54:43.347 --> 00:54:46.081
[Kevin]<i> We all believe we
were paying for this information.</i>

1027
00:54:46.149 --> 00:54:47.994
<i>Then it all came out</i>

1028
00:54:48.018 --> 00:54:50.263
<i>that not only were we paying
for information,</i>

1029
00:54:50.287 --> 00:54:51.954
but they were given information.

1030
00:54:53.222 --> 00:54:55.201
And it destroyed all of us.

1031
00:54:55.225 --> 00:54:58.360
I mean, a lot of us were
devastated by it

1032
00:54:58.428 --> 00:55:02.142
because we believed that
we were paying for information.

1033
00:55:02.166 --> 00:55:04.500
And we couldn't believe it,
he was an informant.

1034
00:55:07.904 --> 00:55:09.471
[intriguing music]

1035
00:55:13.176 --> 00:55:16.979
<i>The informant file that was
alleged to have been</i>

1036
00:55:17.046 --> 00:55:18.758
<i>his contained information.</i>

1037
00:55:18.782 --> 00:55:21.161
<i>He provided this poor fiction.</i>

1038
00:55:21.185 --> 00:55:24.253
[intriguing music continues]

1039
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:28.324
<i>The first page is a report that
says something along the lines,</i>

1040
00:55:28.391 --> 00:55:31.171
<i>"Informant said that somebody
may have been involved</i>

1041
00:55:31.195 --> 00:55:32.328
<i>in a crime."</i>

1042
00:55:32.395 --> 00:55:35.308
<i>The very last page of this file</i>

1043
00:55:35.332 --> 00:55:37.800
<i>is the same exact report
with a different date on it</i>

1044
00:55:38.802 --> 00:55:40.769
<i>down to the syllables
and everything.</i>

1045
00:55:43.740 --> 00:55:48.210
An expert has looked at them
and said,

1046
00:55:48.277 --> 00:55:51.413
"This guy wasn't a informant.
This is nonsense."

1047
00:55:51.481 --> 00:55:54.016
And I put some previse in that.

1048
00:55:56.486 --> 00:55:58.598
<i>The thing that convinces me
the most</i>

1049
00:55:58.622 --> 00:56:00.667
that he was not in informant

1050
00:56:00.691 --> 00:56:04.626
<i>is the intensity with which
the Department of Justice</i>

1051
00:56:04.694 --> 00:56:06.495
<i>insisted that he was
an informant.</i>

1052
00:56:09.966 --> 00:56:12.145
<i>They didn't insist
so much and so hard</i>

1053
00:56:12.169 --> 00:56:14.169
<i>that he had murdered somebody</i>

1054
00:56:14.237 --> 00:56:17.106
<i>or robbed this bank or
done this crime or that crime.</i>

1055
00:56:17.173 --> 00:56:20.642
<i>It was that thing they want
to be true so much.</i>

1056
00:56:22.111 --> 00:56:25.914
<i>So why would the government
want this so badly to be true?</i>

1057
00:56:28.051 --> 00:56:29.963
<i>I don't know quite the answer
to that question,</i>

1058
00:56:29.987 --> 00:56:33.789
<i>but I believe the case
is that were not true.</i>

1059
00:56:33.856 --> 00:56:37.036
<i>The relationship
between Jim Bulger</i>

1060
00:56:37.060 --> 00:56:39.506
<i>and the Department of Justice
was solely</i>

1061
00:56:39.530 --> 00:56:42.197
<i>that Jim Bulger
was bribing them all.</i>

1062
00:56:45.735 --> 00:56:46.846
[woman]<i> Where is Whitey?</i>

1063
00:56:46.870 --> 00:56:49.872
<i>It's a game the FBI
is sick of playing.</i>

1064
00:56:49.939 --> 00:56:51.518
The latest possible sighting

1065
00:56:51.542 --> 00:56:53.942
<i>of South Boston's
most notorious gangster</i>

1066
00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:57.323
<i>and his mob
of all places, Sicily,</i>

1067
00:56:57.347 --> 00:56:59.459
<i>birthplace of the Mafia.</i>

1068
00:56:59.483 --> 00:57:01.750
<i>The prize for the winner
of where's Whitey</i>

1069
00:57:01.818 --> 00:57:04.086
<i>is a cool million dollars.</i>

1070
00:57:04.153 --> 00:57:06.955
<i>That's the bounty
on his snowy white head.</i>

1071
00:57:07.023 --> 00:57:08.690
[Shelley]<i> Well, he's on the run.</i>

1072
00:57:08.758 --> 00:57:11.360
This is when the whole case
blows up.

1073
00:57:11.427 --> 00:57:12.628
[reporter]<i> New York's</i>
<i>Time Square.</i>

1074
00:57:12.695 --> 00:57:14.941
<i>A billboard showing
the FBI's new push</i>

1075
00:57:14.965 --> 00:57:19.012
<i>to find one of their most wanted
fugitives, James Whitey Bulger.</i>

1076
00:57:19.036 --> 00:57:21.281
[Shelley]<i> They put him</i>
<i>on the FBI's ten most wanted.</i>

1077
00:57:21.305 --> 00:57:25.418
The pressure is really
on the FBI to find him.

1078
00:57:25.442 --> 00:57:27.509
[Kevin]<i> Part of it was because
it was such an embarrassment</i>

1079
00:57:27.577 --> 00:57:28.577
<i>to the FBI.</i>

1080
00:57:28.644 --> 00:57:32.692
<i>They wanted him so bad
that they boost them up,</i>

1081
00:57:32.716 --> 00:57:34.917
<i>you know, and they could
never catch him.</i>

1082
00:57:34.984 --> 00:57:38.720
So it just became
like Elvis sightings,

1083
00:57:38.788 --> 00:57:40.300
all around the world
at one point.

1084
00:57:40.324 --> 00:57:42.391
You know,
"He's there, he's there."

1085
00:57:44.327 --> 00:57:46.762
[intense music]

1086
00:57:49.198 --> 00:57:52.734
<i>The big part of my
uncle's persona is a myth.</i>

1087
00:57:54.270 --> 00:57:56.249
<i>When you're in a business
that he was in,</i>

1088
00:57:56.273 --> 00:57:58.407
<i>you want people to think
you're tougher than you are</i>

1089
00:57:58.474 --> 00:57:59.875
<i>and it protects you.</i>

1090
00:57:59.942 --> 00:58:03.256
<i>So there is a myth
that you bring on yourself.</i>

1091
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:07.527
<i>I believe that the media
helps to create that myth</i>

1092
00:58:07.551 --> 00:58:08.784
<i>later in his life.</i>

1093
00:58:10.887 --> 00:58:14.156
<i>As he fled, there was
no defense, right?</i>

1094
00:58:14.223 --> 00:58:15.657
<i>The myth takes off on its own.</i>

1095
00:58:18.494 --> 00:58:20.963
[Kevin]<i> Johny Depp</i>
<i>might have looked like him,</i>

1096
00:58:21.030 --> 00:58:22.531
<i>but he didn't act like him.</i>

1097
00:58:25.101 --> 00:58:26.813
Get in the fucking car.

1098
00:58:26.837 --> 00:58:28.147
[Kevin]<i> It is a mystical movie.</i>

1099
00:58:28.171 --> 00:58:29.949
<i>It should be made
by Walt Disney.</i>

1100
00:58:29.973 --> 00:58:32.685
I saw the movie and I couldn't
believe that that was

1101
00:58:32.709 --> 00:58:34.843
what was supposed to be
portrayed as our life

1102
00:58:34.911 --> 00:58:35.978
what we did, what we lived.

1103
00:58:37.246 --> 00:58:38.981
<i>It was made up. It was fantasy.</i>

1104
00:58:40.517 --> 00:58:42.317
<i>And no one knew where he was.</i>

1105
00:58:45.054 --> 00:58:46.833
[Catherine]<i> And we were</i>
<i>all through the country</i>

1106
00:58:46.857 --> 00:58:48.768
<i>for a year, a year and a half.</i>

1107
00:58:48.792 --> 00:58:50.325
<i>We just drove and drove</i>

1108
00:58:50.393 --> 00:58:52.661
<i>and we would see signs
on the road and we think,</i>

1109
00:58:52.728 --> 00:58:53.795
"Oh, we never heard of that.

1110
00:58:53.863 --> 00:58:55.931
Let's go travel down there
and see what that's like."

1111
00:58:55.998 --> 00:58:58.800
And Santa Monica, he had been in

1112
00:58:58.868 --> 00:59:02.315
and it was nice because the
ocean was there, the beaches

1113
00:59:02.339 --> 00:59:07.009
and it was just the climate
that, oh, that was fabulous.

1114
00:59:09.212 --> 00:59:11.658
<i>We were
on the California freeway</i>

1115
00:59:11.682 --> 00:59:15.417
and it was beating hot day,
brutally hot.

1116
00:59:15.484 --> 00:59:20.088
And he saw an elderly couple
with a Volkswagen camper

1117
00:59:20.156 --> 00:59:21.557
that had broken down

1118
00:59:21.624 --> 00:59:24.159
and he put the vehicle
in reverse and got out.

1119
00:59:24.226 --> 00:59:27.596
And he spent probably the
next hour changing the tire,

1120
00:59:27.630 --> 00:59:31.366
talking to the man and woman
doing this and that.

1121
00:59:31.434 --> 00:59:38.151
<i>That's the kind of person he
was, a very kind, giving person.</i>

1122
00:59:38.175 --> 00:59:43.245
And he was kind to me,
my family, but strangers.

1123
00:59:45.114 --> 00:59:46.559
<i>I think even the workers</i>

1124
00:59:46.583 --> 00:59:48.428
<i>that lived in the building
that we were at,</i>

1125
00:59:48.452 --> 00:59:50.252
<i>he was always
trying to help them.</i>

1126
00:59:50.319 --> 00:59:52.254
There were a couple
of single mothers in there

1127
00:59:52.321 --> 00:59:54.100
and he always tried to help them

1128
00:59:54.124 --> 00:59:55.924
play with the kids out
in the lobby,

1129
00:59:55.992 --> 00:59:58.393
leave things
in front of the door,

1130
00:59:58.461 --> 00:59:59.595
<i>deliver the mail.</i>

1131
00:59:59.662 --> 01:00:01.463
<i>Just to be helpful to people.</i>

1132
01:00:05.267 --> 01:00:08.670
<i>I remember the day we were on
Venice Beach in the summer time,</i>

1133
01:00:08.738 --> 01:00:13.408
sitting on a bench, and then
about eight policemen came up

1134
01:00:13.476 --> 01:00:15.210
and they just stopped
in front of us.

1135
01:00:15.277 --> 01:00:19.926
And my first thing is, uh-oh, and
he's just calm and looking at them

1136
01:00:19.950 --> 01:00:21.594
and one stepped forward
and he said,

1137
01:00:21.618 --> 01:00:24.219
"You know,
I'm going to retire soon.

1138
01:00:24.286 --> 01:00:27.356
And I hope my wife and I are
as happy as you people are."

1139
01:00:27.423 --> 01:00:28.457
[sighs]

1140
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.294
<i>I guess we did feel freer there.</i>

1141
01:00:35.231 --> 01:00:37.143
<i>I can remember
somebody saying to me</i>

1142
01:00:37.167 --> 01:00:39.212
<i>when we first were arrested,</i>

1143
01:00:39.236 --> 01:00:40.302
"Aren't you relieved

1144
01:00:40.369 --> 01:00:42.815
"you don't have to look over
your shoulder?" [laughs]

1145
01:00:42.839 --> 01:00:44.172
Are you crazy?

1146
01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:46.908
I never looked on my shoulder.

1147
01:00:46.976 --> 01:00:50.445
<i>We stayed in the same
building, the same apartment.</i>

1148
01:00:53.516 --> 01:00:55.050
<i>We didn't worry.</i>

1149
01:00:56.452 --> 01:00:59.721
We've had a wonderful life
in Santa Monica, really.

1150
01:01:01.524 --> 01:01:02.991
[intense music]

1151
01:01:04.927 --> 01:01:07.840
[Rep. Burton]<i> Edmund Burke
said that the only thing necessary</i>

1152
01:01:07.864 --> 01:01:12.067
<i>for the triumph of evil
is for good men to do nothing.</i>

1153
01:01:12.134 --> 01:01:14.113
<i>He wasn't talking
about why we're here,</i>

1154
01:01:14.137 --> 01:01:16.983
<i>but he might just
as well have been.</i>

1155
01:01:17.007 --> 01:01:21.143
<i>Rogue members of the FBI
up to the highest levels</i>

1156
01:01:21.210 --> 01:01:25.080
<i>protected informants at the
expense of innocent people.</i>

1157
01:01:25.147 --> 01:01:28.083
<i>Informants committed murders
with impunity.</i>

1158
01:01:28.818 --> 01:01:30.263
<i>Killers were tipped off</i>

1159
01:01:30.287 --> 01:01:32.754
<i>so that they could flee
before being arrested.</i>

1160
01:01:32.822 --> 01:01:35.468
And when people went
to the Justice Department

1161
01:01:35.492 --> 01:01:38.427
and the FBI with evidence
about murderers,

1162
01:01:38.494 --> 01:01:40.829
some of them wound up dead.

1163
01:01:43.833 --> 01:01:45.767
Did you talk to your brother

1164
01:01:45.835 --> 01:01:47.703
about rumors that he was
a government informant?

1165
01:01:47.770 --> 01:01:49.638
No. I don't believe so.

1166
01:01:49.705 --> 01:01:52.285
Did you know that he was
involved in murder?

1167
01:01:52.309 --> 01:01:53.486
No, I do not. I just...

1168
01:01:53.510 --> 01:01:55.711
Did you know he was involved
in narcotics trafficking?

1169
01:01:55.778 --> 01:01:56.956
No.

1170
01:01:56.980 --> 01:01:59.826
Did you ever use
any of your authority to, uh,

1171
01:01:59.850 --> 01:02:02.517
to chastise
or threaten people that,

1172
01:02:02.585 --> 01:02:04.186
that were after your brother?

1173
01:02:04.721 --> 01:02:06.299
No. Never.

1174
01:02:06.323 --> 01:02:09.324
In retrospect, giving
your power and prestige,

1175
01:02:09.391 --> 01:02:11.904
did you ever discourage
law enforcement

1176
01:02:11.928 --> 01:02:13.195
from doing everything

1177
01:02:13.262 --> 01:02:14.907
it could go after your brother?

1178
01:02:14.931 --> 01:02:15.831
Never.

1179
01:02:18.134 --> 01:02:19.378
With the Chairman's indulgence,

1180
01:02:19.402 --> 01:02:22.849
I would like to offer
a few words about my brother.

1181
01:02:22.873 --> 01:02:25.518
Many words
have been written about him.

1182
01:02:25.542 --> 01:02:27.342
A few have been spoken by me.

1183
01:02:29.211 --> 01:02:31.813
So please allow me
to speak plainly.

1184
01:02:31.881 --> 01:02:35.862
I do not know
where my brother is.

1185
01:02:35.886 --> 01:02:41.667
I do not know where he has
been over the past eight years.

1186
01:02:41.691 --> 01:02:46.005
I have not aided James Bulger
in any way.

1187
01:02:46.029 --> 01:02:48.330
While he has been a fugitive.

1188
01:02:49.231 --> 01:02:51.811
Do I possess information
that could lead

1189
01:02:51.835 --> 01:02:54.169
to my brother's arrest?

1190
01:02:54.236 --> 01:02:56.505
The honest answer is no.

1191
01:02:58.240 --> 01:03:01.710
I know my brother stands
accused of many things.

1192
01:03:01.777 --> 01:03:04.579
Serious crimes, brutal crimes.

1193
01:03:05.715 --> 01:03:07.093
I do still live in the hope

1194
01:03:07.117 --> 01:03:09.251
that the worst of the charges
against him

1195
01:03:09.318 --> 01:03:11.052
will prove groundless.

1196
01:03:11.120 --> 01:03:12.220
It is my hope.

1197
01:03:13.656 --> 01:03:14.956
But I am ever mindful

1198
01:03:16.058 --> 01:03:18.260
of the Good Shepherd story

1199
01:03:18.327 --> 01:03:22.597
and its lesson that
no one is to be abandoned.

1200
01:03:22.665 --> 01:03:25.711
I care deeply for my brother.

1201
01:03:25.735 --> 01:03:28.603
But no one should construe
my expression of concern

1202
01:03:28.671 --> 01:03:32.785
in any way
condoning any illegal acts.

1203
01:03:32.809 --> 01:03:35.277
Nor should anyone think
that I ever take lightly

1204
01:03:35.344 --> 01:03:36.278
this entire matter.

1205
01:03:38.147 --> 01:03:41.060
<i>Among the constituents
of my legislative district</i>

1206
01:03:41.084 --> 01:03:43.685
<i>and in the Massachusetts
Senate, there was always</i>

1207
01:03:43.752 --> 01:03:45.887
<i>an awareness of my brother.</i>

1208
01:03:45.955 --> 01:03:48.557
<i>It was never a secret.</i>

1209
01:03:48.624 --> 01:03:51.426
<i>But people understood
that we were different people</i>

1210
01:03:51.493 --> 01:03:55.597
<i>who lived different lives and
should be judged separately.</i>

1211
01:04:01.237 --> 01:04:02.904
[female newsreader]
<i>After months of controversy</i>

1212
01:04:02.972 --> 01:04:04.150
<i>surrounding his post,</i>

1213
01:04:04.174 --> 01:04:06.141
<i>the President of the
University of Massachusetts</i>

1214
01:04:06.175 --> 01:04:07.175
<i>is stepping down</i>

1215
01:04:07.243 --> 01:04:09.422
<i>and it all has to do
with his brother</i>

1216
01:04:09.446 --> 01:04:12.848
<i>who happens to be one
of the FBI's ten most wanted.</i>

1217
01:04:12.915 --> 01:04:13.826
[male journalist]<i> For months,</i>

1218
01:04:13.850 --> 01:04:15.317
<i>Massachusetts Governor,
Mitt Romney</i>

1219
01:04:15.384 --> 01:04:18.453
<i>and the State attorney general
have called for his resignation.</i>

1220
01:04:18.520 --> 01:04:22.702
<i>The University board
held out until now.</i>

1221
01:04:22.726 --> 01:04:26.105
<i>[W Bulger] I deeply appreciate
the strong vote of confidence</i>

1222
01:04:26.129 --> 01:04:29.464
<i>that you gave me
just six weeks ago,</i>

1223
01:04:29.531 --> 01:04:34.035
<i>as well as your willingness
to judge me on my own merits.</i>

1224
01:04:37.273 --> 01:04:40.675
<i>I think that Bill Bulger taking
the Fifth before Congress</i>

1225
01:04:40.743 --> 01:04:44.746
<i>is what gave then Governor
Romney the leverage he needed</i>

1226
01:04:44.813 --> 01:04:48.817
<i>to get Bill Bulger out
as President of UMass.</i>

1227
01:04:49.885 --> 01:04:51.186
[soft music]

1228
01:04:52.688 --> 01:04:54.522
<i>I'll never forgive Romney</i>

1229
01:04:55.358 --> 01:04:56.936
<i>for what he did to Bill</i>

1230
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:58.871
when Bill was proving to be

1231
01:04:58.895 --> 01:05:00.139
<i>one of the most
effective presidents</i>

1232
01:05:00.163 --> 01:05:03.098
<i>at the University of
Massachusetts we'd ever had.</i>

1233
01:05:03.165 --> 01:05:04.633
It was all about the brother.

1234
01:05:04.700 --> 01:05:06.968
[gentle piano tune]

1235
01:05:07.036 --> 01:05:10.216
[Christine]<i> We saw that his
family was being subjected</i>

1236
01:05:10.240 --> 01:05:11.973
<i>to things because of him.</i>

1237
01:05:12.041 --> 01:05:14.887
<i>And he would have felt
so bad about that.</i>

1238
01:05:14.911 --> 01:05:15.944
[sobbing]

1239
01:05:18.381 --> 01:05:21.516
<i>But he does what he wanted
to do later in life is,</i>

1240
01:05:21.583 --> 01:05:23.362
<i>I have to answer these things</i>

1241
01:05:23.386 --> 01:05:26.087
<i>because my poor family...</i>

1242
01:05:29.325 --> 01:05:31.237
[sobbing] That really
troubled him.

1243
01:05:31.261 --> 01:05:32.761
[piano music continues]

1244
01:05:34.596 --> 01:05:35.997
[Mary]<i> My husband worked hard,</i>

1245
01:05:36.065 --> 01:05:39.512
<i>and you would think
he would be treated fairly,</i>

1246
01:05:39.536 --> 01:05:41.836
<i>but it didn't work that way.</i>

1247
01:05:44.941 --> 01:05:47.386
You learn to handle it
when you live with Bill.

1248
01:05:47.410 --> 01:05:49.878
Bill tells you you can't
let it get to you.

1249
01:05:49.945 --> 01:05:52.013
We just keep on going
the way you are

1250
01:05:52.081 --> 01:05:53.148
and don't worry about that.

1251
01:05:53.215 --> 01:05:54.182
That will work out.

1252
01:05:58.954 --> 01:06:00.155
[female newsreader]
<i>And breaking news.</i>

1253
01:06:00.222 --> 01:06:02.757
<i>A crime boss from
the FBI's ten most wanted list</i>

1254
01:06:02.825 --> 01:06:06.094
<i>finally captured tonight
here in Southern California.</i>

1255
01:06:06.161 --> 01:06:07.473
[male reeporter]
<i>What a night this is.</i>

1256
01:06:07.497 --> 01:06:10.565
<i>The so called globe trotting
godfather of South Boston</i>

1257
01:06:10.633 --> 01:06:12.901
<i>arrested tonight on the
streets of Santa Monica.</i>

1258
01:06:12.968 --> 01:06:15.548
<i>He and his girlfriend
arrested here.</i>

1259
01:06:15.572 --> 01:06:17.305
<i>Whitey is in custody.</i>

1260
01:06:19.642 --> 01:06:21.343
[suspenseful music]

1261
01:06:27.249 --> 01:06:29.651
[Shelley]<i> They finally</i>
<i>find him 16 years later,</i>

1262
01:06:29.718 --> 01:06:31.564
<i>living in
a rent control department</i>

1263
01:06:31.588 --> 01:06:33.232
<i>in Santa Monica, California,</i>

1264
01:06:33.256 --> 01:06:36.992
<i>with $822,000
stuffed in the wall.</i>

1265
01:06:38.794 --> 01:06:40.462
<i>Oh, and by the way, he's caught</i>

1266
01:06:40.529 --> 01:06:42.842
<i>because his girlfriend
is feeding a cat.</i>

1267
01:06:42.866 --> 01:06:46.868
<i>And former Miss Iceland notices
how kind they are at the cat</i>

1268
01:06:46.935 --> 01:06:50.583
<i>and then recognizes them when
she's sitting back in Reykjavik</i>

1269
01:06:50.607 --> 01:06:53.386
from an episode
of like<i> 2020</i> or something.

1270
01:06:53.410 --> 01:06:56.111
I mean, she calls in the FBI,
and they capture him.

1271
01:06:58.748 --> 01:07:00.726
[Christine]<i> In his mind,</i>
<i>he always knew</i>

1272
01:07:00.750 --> 01:07:04.019
<i>there was a potential
for that day to come.</i>

1273
01:07:04.086 --> 01:07:06.399
He was emotionally very bad.
Yeah, he was.

1274
01:07:06.423 --> 01:07:07.867
He was.

1275
01:07:07.891 --> 01:07:09.190
He was a realist.

1276
01:07:10.092 --> 01:07:12.071
<i>When they brought him
back to town,</i>

1277
01:07:12.095 --> 01:07:15.541
<i>I likened it to Caesar
when he captured Vercingetorix</i>

1278
01:07:15.565 --> 01:07:17.632
<i>and brought him back to Rome
for the triumph.</i>

1279
01:07:17.699 --> 01:07:20.035
<i>And the man is
in shackles in a cage</i>

1280
01:07:20.102 --> 01:07:22.170
<i>and he's coming
into the city of Rome</i>

1281
01:07:22.237 --> 01:07:23.838
<i>and going through the archway.</i>

1282
01:07:23.906 --> 01:07:26.685
<i>That's what they were doing
here in Boston.</i>

1283
01:07:26.709 --> 01:07:28.643
We were the bad Bulgers.

1284
01:07:28.710 --> 01:07:31.646
It's continually,
you hear that drumbeat.

1285
01:07:31.713 --> 01:07:33.292
[reporter] Mr. Bulger,
what do you think

1286
01:07:33.316 --> 01:07:35.316
that your brother is
in prison right now?

1287
01:07:36.652 --> 01:07:38.319
Can you tell us about this book

1288
01:07:38.387 --> 01:07:41.734
that his niece and nephew
are writing?

1289
01:07:41.758 --> 01:07:44.559
[Mary Bulger Hurley] <i>I remember
when Osama bin Laden got caught.</i>

1290
01:07:44.626 --> 01:07:46.961
<i>Osama bin Laden
had some relatives</i>

1291
01:07:47.029 --> 01:07:49.497
<i>living in Cambridge,
Massachusetts</i>

1292
01:07:49.565 --> 01:07:52.011
<i>and everybody came
out defending those relatives</i>

1293
01:07:52.035 --> 01:07:53.501
<i>in Cambridge, Massachusetts.</i>

1294
01:07:53.569 --> 01:07:55.214
<i>They could make the distinction</i>

1295
01:07:55.238 --> 01:07:57.950
between these
Osama bin Laden relatives

1296
01:07:57.974 --> 01:07:59.685
and Osama bin Laden

1297
01:07:59.709 --> 01:08:03.378
who was top on the most wanted
list or something.

1298
01:08:03.445 --> 01:08:05.513
And I was thinking, "How can
they make the distinction"

1299
01:08:05.581 --> 01:08:07.248
of them, but not for us?

1300
01:08:07.316 --> 01:08:09.628
Why can't people see that?

1301
01:08:09.652 --> 01:08:11.753
We are not all, you know...

1302
01:08:13.122 --> 01:08:15.390
Whitey Bulger.

1303
01:08:15.457 --> 01:08:17.058
[sirens wailing]

1304
01:08:20.462 --> 01:08:24.510
[reporter]<i> Are you happy to
see your brother or anything?</i>

1305
01:08:24.534 --> 01:08:26.034
No. I gave a statement.

1306
01:08:27.669 --> 01:08:29.715
<i>"My father said, "I'm going
down to the courthouse.</i>

1307
01:08:29.739 --> 01:08:31.072
<i>"I want him to see me."</i>

1308
01:08:31.140 --> 01:08:33.174
<i>So he went on
with one of my brothers</i>

1309
01:08:33.242 --> 01:08:35.955
and my other uncle Jack,

1310
01:08:35.979 --> 01:08:38.446
and they went down to the
court house to sit in the front row,

1311
01:08:38.514 --> 01:08:40.025
so that Jimmy saw them

1312
01:08:40.049 --> 01:08:42.450
so that he knew
that they care about him.

1313
01:08:43.652 --> 01:08:47.900
The 2013 trial of Whitey
Bulger was totally unnecessary

1314
01:08:47.924 --> 01:08:52.104
because Whitey was willing
to plead guilty to all charges

1315
01:08:52.128 --> 01:08:55.930
on the condition that
Catherine Greig get a break.

1316
01:08:55.998 --> 01:08:59.111
<i>Let her off we don't need
a trial, I'll plead guilty.</i>

1317
01:08:59.135 --> 01:09:01.514
<i>And I'll do the rest
of my life in prison.</i>

1318
01:09:01.538 --> 01:09:03.071
<i>He was in his 80s at the time,</i>

1319
01:09:03.138 --> 01:09:05.406
but they didn't want
to let him do it

1320
01:09:05.474 --> 01:09:07.609
because they wanted
to put on this big show.

1321
01:09:07.676 --> 01:09:10.856
The Globe and the media
had created this huge myth

1322
01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:12.525
out of James Bulger.

1323
01:09:12.549 --> 01:09:14.149
And then
the US Attorney's office

1324
01:09:14.216 --> 01:09:15.861
comes in strong afterwards.

1325
01:09:15.885 --> 01:09:19.798
[Shelley]<i> The prosecution
presented 63 witnesses in 30 days.</i>

1326
01:09:19.822 --> 01:09:22.001
<i>Victims, drug dealers and hitmen</i>

1327
01:09:22.025 --> 01:09:24.893
<i>who are serving time
for murder and plea deals.</i>

1328
01:09:26.428 --> 01:09:29.542
[Kevin]<i> I hadn't talked to Jim
Bulger until I saw him in court</i>

1329
01:09:29.566 --> 01:09:31.610
<i>at his trial</i>

1330
01:09:31.634 --> 01:09:34.947
and I was sitting as close
as I am to you away from him

1331
01:09:34.971 --> 01:09:36.638
maybe nine, ten feet.

1332
01:09:36.705 --> 01:09:38.350
And he wouldn't look at me
at all.

1333
01:09:38.374 --> 01:09:41.442
And I kept on staring at him,
and he wouldn't look at me.

1334
01:09:41.510 --> 01:09:44.423
You know, I just wanted
to know why you did this.

1335
01:09:44.447 --> 01:09:47.115
You know, explain it to me,

1336
01:09:47.182 --> 01:09:49.217
and he wouldn't
look at me at all.

1337
01:09:51.253 --> 01:09:54.099
I never gave up
anybody in my life

1338
01:09:54.123 --> 01:09:55.768
and I'm disappointed

1339
01:09:55.792 --> 01:09:57.770
because he was my mentor
and everything.

1340
01:09:57.794 --> 01:09:59.194
And I believed
everything he said.

1341
01:09:59.261 --> 01:10:01.373
There's nothing
I wouldn't have done for him.

1342
01:10:01.397 --> 01:10:03.331
And now I find out
you're an informant.

1343
01:10:05.534 --> 01:10:09.448
[Jimmy]<i> When you swear in
court to give your testimony,</i>

1344
01:10:09.472 --> 01:10:12.006
<i>it's swearing to tell the truth.</i>

1345
01:10:12.074 --> 01:10:14.809
<i>If you've arrested
half a dozen guys</i>

1346
01:10:14.876 --> 01:10:16.411
<i>and threaten them
with life in prison,</i>

1347
01:10:16.478 --> 01:10:18.813
but if they talk
about this other guy

1348
01:10:18.847 --> 01:10:21.149
they can only do six years.

1349
01:10:21.216 --> 01:10:22.951
Well, they're talking
about that other guy

1350
01:10:23.018 --> 01:10:24.953
because it's worth more
than gold or currency.

1351
01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:26.665
It's freedom.

1352
01:10:26.689 --> 01:10:29.602
<i>Some of these fellas
that testified against them</i>

1353
01:10:29.626 --> 01:10:32.193
<i>were admitting
to ten murders or more.</i>

1354
01:10:34.896 --> 01:10:38.566
Are you crazy or just nuts?

1355
01:10:38.634 --> 01:10:41.302
I know you're mourning.
And I'm sorry for you loss

1356
01:10:41.370 --> 01:10:43.749
but we have something
much bigger here. We have--

1357
01:10:43.773 --> 01:10:46.151
What's the "bigger here"?
What's here?

1358
01:10:46.175 --> 01:10:48.843
Tell me what's here. What's...

1359
01:10:48.910 --> 01:10:52.113
[woman]<i> So you take the crimes</i>
<i>of these five individuals,</i>

1360
01:10:52.180 --> 01:10:54.093
plus a few more, you know,

1361
01:10:54.117 --> 01:10:58.097
and you put it
in the scales of justice...

1362
01:10:58.121 --> 01:11:00.899
How do their combined crimes

1363
01:11:00.923 --> 01:11:04.192
which include
at least 100 murders

1364
01:11:04.259 --> 01:11:07.773
weigh less than the crimes
of James Bulger?

1365
01:11:07.797 --> 01:11:10.509
The scales of justice
were altered,

1366
01:11:10.533 --> 01:11:12.667
and the question is why.

1367
01:11:12.734 --> 01:11:16.515
[man]<i> After 16 years as a fugitive,
Boston mob boss Whitey Bulger</i>

1368
01:11:16.539 --> 01:11:19.518
<i>learned his fate Thursday
for a reign of terror</i>

1369
01:11:19.542 --> 01:11:21.320
<i>in the 1970s and '80s.</i>

1370
01:11:21.344 --> 01:11:23.856
<i>The 84-year-old has been
sentenced to life in prison</i>

1371
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:26.347
<i>for 11 killings
and a string of other charges,</i>

1372
01:11:26.415 --> 01:11:28.661
<i>including extortion
and money laundering.</i>

1373
01:11:28.685 --> 01:11:30.996
[woman] Today is the day
that many in this city

1374
01:11:31.020 --> 01:11:33.354
thought would never come.

1375
01:11:33.422 --> 01:11:36.891
James J. "Whitey" Bulger
now stands convicted

1376
01:11:36.958 --> 01:11:39.405
for his role as the ring leader

1377
01:11:39.429 --> 01:11:41.940
of the murderous
Winter Hill Gang.

1378
01:11:41.964 --> 01:11:44.299
<i>This day of reckoning for Bulger</i>

1379
01:11:44.366 --> 01:11:46.567
<i>has been a long time in coming.</i>

1380
01:11:49.304 --> 01:11:54.019
<i>Jim Bulger is my uncle,
and he's still family to me.</i>

1381
01:11:54.043 --> 01:12:00.081
But I am aware that now,
in retrospect, he hurt people

1382
01:12:02.918 --> 01:12:06.165
<i>The families that were left,
some kids that I played with</i>

1383
01:12:06.189 --> 01:12:08.233
<i>when I was younger,
who didn't have a father</i>

1384
01:12:08.257 --> 01:12:11.103
<i>and I didn't realize
until 30 or 40 years later</i>

1385
01:12:11.127 --> 01:12:13.995
<i>why they didn't have a father.</i>

1386
01:12:14.062 --> 01:12:17.532
[man]<i> There's no way to equate
what our family has gone through</i>

1387
01:12:17.599 --> 01:12:21.813
<i>with what the victims of the
crime families have gone through.</i>

1388
01:12:21.837 --> 01:12:23.471
<i>They've suffered terribly.</i>

1389
01:12:23.538 --> 01:12:26.174
The Bulgers are not
in that bucket.

1390
01:12:29.211 --> 01:12:30.878
[Catherine]
<i>It's very difficult for me,</i>

1391
01:12:30.946 --> 01:12:34.148
<i>almost impossible for me to say</i>

1392
01:12:34.216 --> 01:12:35.883
<i>he was like this,</i>

1393
01:12:35.951 --> 01:12:38.286
<i>and this is the way I was
with him in Santa Monica</i>

1394
01:12:38.353 --> 01:12:39.665
<i>and how he lived</i>

1395
01:12:39.689 --> 01:12:41.333
and he did that.

1396
01:12:41.357 --> 01:12:44.603
I mean,
it's hard for me to see that

1397
01:12:44.627 --> 01:12:47.940
but I'm not diminishing
their suffering at all.

1398
01:12:47.964 --> 01:12:49.864
I mean, I know they lost people.

1399
01:12:51.166 --> 01:12:52.900
Uh...

1400
01:12:54.102 --> 01:12:56.671
I don't know. I'm sorry.

1401
01:12:58.707 --> 01:13:01.175
[brooding piano tune]

1402
01:13:13.588 --> 01:13:17.458
[Jean Bulger Holland]
<i>I feel sorry for him at times.</i>

1403
01:13:17.526 --> 01:13:19.705
<i>Then I could be angry.</i>

1404
01:13:19.729 --> 01:13:22.574
<i>He's been his own worst enemy.</i>

1405
01:13:22.598 --> 01:13:26.000
<i>And I know
he never expected the fallout.</i>

1406
01:13:26.067 --> 01:13:28.803
But you don't even know--
Does he have the capacity,

1407
01:13:28.870 --> 01:13:32.607
for him to look beyond
what his own little life is,

1408
01:13:32.674 --> 01:13:33.719
you know,

1409
01:13:33.743 --> 01:13:37.211
and see how it's
affected anybody else?

1410
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:39.914
I'm not sure that he...
He goes there.

1411
01:13:42.151 --> 01:13:43.351
[William] <i>I wrote to him</i>

1412
01:13:43.418 --> 01:13:46.187
<i>all the years he was in prison.</i>

1413
01:13:47.222 --> 01:13:49.524
You know, I cared...
I care about him.

1414
01:13:50.692 --> 01:13:52.693
I'm not sure

1415
01:13:52.761 --> 01:13:54.896
if he was listening
attentively to me.

1416
01:14:02.237 --> 01:14:04.016
[woman] <i>I really loved my mother</i>

1417
01:14:04.040 --> 01:14:06.774
<i>but could never express it
with words.</i>

1418
01:14:08.243 --> 01:14:10.355
<i>Fortunately,
my brother Bill could</i>

1419
01:14:10.379 --> 01:14:13.181
<i>and always said the right
things to her and my father</i>

1420
01:14:13.248 --> 01:14:14.916
<i>in their last moments.</i>

1421
01:14:14.983 --> 01:14:16.762
"I can see the room."

1422
01:14:16.786 --> 01:14:20.188
"My mother in it in so much pain"

1423
01:14:20.255 --> 01:14:22.490
"but I couldn't do
anything for her."

1424
01:14:25.327 --> 01:14:27.639
<i>After the trial,
I wanted to find out</i>

1425
01:14:27.663 --> 01:14:31.910
<i>what we were told, and I went
to the Plymouth Prison</i>

1426
01:14:31.934 --> 01:14:33.512
and got Bulger's information.

1427
01:14:33.536 --> 01:14:35.336
He was an inmate there.

1428
01:14:35.403 --> 01:14:37.271
And find out
how to write to him.

1429
01:14:37.339 --> 01:14:38.584
And I did send him a letter

1430
01:14:38.608 --> 01:14:40.341
and explained
that I was on the jury

1431
01:14:40.408 --> 01:14:41.876
and I just had questions.

1432
01:14:43.478 --> 01:14:46.347
<i>When he talked
about the criminality</i>

1433
01:14:46.414 --> 01:14:48.616
<i>there was a harshness to him.</i>

1434
01:14:48.683 --> 01:14:51.619
<i>But then he would start
talking about his family,</i>

1435
01:14:51.686 --> 01:14:54.466
and there would be
just this softness

1436
01:14:54.490 --> 01:14:56.591
a kindness, a compassion.

1437
01:14:58.894 --> 01:15:02.964
Even in the very first letters,
Jim talked about Catherine

1438
01:15:03.031 --> 01:15:06.234
and how he had wanted
to take the death sentence

1439
01:15:06.301 --> 01:15:08.436
and have her get out of prison.

1440
01:15:10.772 --> 01:15:13.085
[newsreader]<i> "Whitey" Bulger's</i>
<i>girlfriend, Catherine Greig,</i>

1441
01:15:13.109 --> 01:15:14.953
<i>just learned that she'll spend</i>

1442
01:15:14.977 --> 01:15:17.111
<i>an additional 21 months
behind bars,</i>

1443
01:15:17.178 --> 01:15:18.579
<i>almost two years.</i>

1444
01:15:18.647 --> 01:15:20.314
Greig is already serving
an eight year sentence

1445
01:15:20.382 --> 01:15:21.883
for helping Bulger
evade capture.

1446
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.187
[man]<i> The government wanted</i>
<i>to punish her</i>

1447
01:15:26.254 --> 01:15:28.523
<i>because it was the only way
they could really get</i>

1448
01:15:28.590 --> 01:15:30.992
<i>at Jim Bulger,
make him hurt more.</i>

1449
01:15:31.059 --> 01:15:35.463
The judge allowed every
alleged victim of Jim Bulger

1450
01:15:35.530 --> 01:15:38.933
who had no relevance
whatsoever to Catherine Greig

1451
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:40.134
to come into court

1452
01:15:40.201 --> 01:15:42.114
and call her
a dirty little bitch.

1453
01:15:42.138 --> 01:15:45.517
And they yelled at her,
and the...

1454
01:15:45.541 --> 01:15:48.142
No judge should allow
their courtroom

1455
01:15:48.209 --> 01:15:49.677
to be used like that.

1456
01:15:49.744 --> 01:15:50.978
It was disgusting.

1457
01:15:52.681 --> 01:15:56.795
[Catherine] <i>I didn't have a
trial. I pled guilty to the charges,</i>

1458
01:15:56.819 --> 01:16:00.154
but my sentence was still
the longest in US history

1459
01:16:00.221 --> 01:16:01.556
for what I was charged with.

1460
01:16:04.092 --> 01:16:07.828
<i>I wasn't given that long
sentence for what I did.</i>

1461
01:16:07.896 --> 01:16:09.408
<i>I was given that long sentence</i>

1462
01:16:09.432 --> 01:16:11.232
<i>and the last thing
the judge said to me</i>

1463
01:16:11.299 --> 01:16:12.811
<i>when I left the courtroom was,</i>

1464
01:16:12.835 --> 01:16:15.303
"Now, if you come back
and speak to us,"

1465
01:16:15.370 --> 01:16:16.504
'cause I wouldn't
talk to them...

1466
01:16:16.571 --> 01:16:17.905
"If you come back
and speak to us"

1467
01:16:17.973 --> 01:16:20.085
"we'll be glad to revisit this."

1468
01:16:20.109 --> 01:16:22.421
And I thought,
"How outrageous is this?"

1469
01:16:22.445 --> 01:16:27.048
And I didn't understand then
that what they did to people

1470
01:16:27.115 --> 01:16:31.229
was give them a pass if they
told, not even the truth,

1471
01:16:31.253 --> 01:16:34.032
but they told
their version of the truth.

1472
01:16:34.056 --> 01:16:35.389
And that, unfortunately

1473
01:16:35.457 --> 01:16:37.502
is what has become
of our justice system

1474
01:16:37.526 --> 01:16:39.026
which I think is horrendous.

1475
01:16:43.732 --> 01:16:45.533
[gentle music]

1476
01:17:06.355 --> 01:17:07.888
[Jason Bowns]
<i>I think Bill Bulger</i>

1477
01:17:07.956 --> 01:17:09.624
<i>wanted to be judged
for what he did</i>

1478
01:17:12.828 --> 01:17:14.762
<i>and not
for what his brother did.</i>

1479
01:17:14.829 --> 01:17:16.897
<i>And I think people,
for some reason,</i>

1480
01:17:16.965 --> 01:17:19.767
<i>they're just fascinated
by the crime stuff.</i>

1481
01:17:21.503 --> 01:17:22.970
<i>You know,
it really hit home to me</i>

1482
01:17:23.038 --> 01:17:25.373
<i>when I was calling UMass Boston,</i>

1483
01:17:25.440 --> 01:17:26.952
<i>I was asking them
to help me track down</i>

1484
01:17:26.976 --> 01:17:28.342
<i>an article in the library.</i>

1485
01:17:29.778 --> 01:17:32.780
<i>It was called
"The Bulger I Know."</i>

1486
01:17:32.847 --> 01:17:35.293
<i>And the girl on the end
of the line, she said,</i>

1487
01:17:35.317 --> 01:17:37.985
"As if we know any other Bulger

1488
01:17:38.053 --> 01:17:41.055
"You know "Whitey" Bulger,
as if we know any other."

1489
01:17:41.122 --> 01:17:43.724
And the article
wasn't even about...

1490
01:17:43.792 --> 01:17:45.326
It was about Bill Bulger

1491
01:17:45.393 --> 01:17:47.395
and it was written
by Walter Boverini,

1492
01:17:47.462 --> 01:17:49.396
who had served
with him in the Senate.

1493
01:17:49.431 --> 01:17:52.044
And it just hit me
how much his legacy

1494
01:17:52.068 --> 01:17:56.248
<i>and anything that he did
was fading away</i>

1495
01:17:56.272 --> 01:18:00.341
<i>and being overshadowed
by his brother.</i>

1496
01:18:06.214 --> 01:18:09.194
<i>And even, UMass Boston,
where Bulger had been President</i>

1497
01:18:09.218 --> 01:18:12.853
<i>for eight years, didn't even
know that it was about him.</i>

1498
01:18:17.426 --> 01:18:19.360
[melancholic music]

1499
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:32.973
[Jimmy]<i> As I get older</i>

1500
01:18:33.041 --> 01:18:34.953
<i>I realize, like,
my dad's contemporaries</i>

1501
01:18:34.977 --> 01:18:36.354
<i>are checking out now.</i>

1502
01:18:36.378 --> 01:18:38.579
And guys who remembered him
being a Senator

1503
01:18:38.613 --> 01:18:39.891
they're getting old.

1504
01:18:39.915 --> 01:18:42.850
They're my age, you know,
time moves on.

1505
01:18:48.056 --> 01:18:49.790
<i>The neighborhood
I grew up in is gone.</i>

1506
01:18:49.858 --> 01:18:51.525
<i>It doesn't exist anymore.
There's nothing.</i>

1507
01:18:51.593 --> 01:18:54.172
<i>There's nothing left, there's
yuppies over there now.</i>

1508
01:18:54.196 --> 01:18:57.576
You know, I think some of them
think they live in South Boston

1509
01:18:57.600 --> 01:18:59.066
and it's the place to be,

1510
01:18:59.100 --> 01:19:00.779
but the guys
who made it South Boston,

1511
01:19:00.803 --> 01:19:02.069
<i>the people who lived there,</i>

1512
01:19:02.137 --> 01:19:04.538
<i>they're spread all through
the south shore, you know.</i>

1513
01:19:14.149 --> 01:19:16.917
[brass band playing]

1514
01:19:19.754 --> 01:19:23.057
[indistinct chatter]

1515
01:19:26.494 --> 01:19:29.063
- [William Bulger] It's a big crowd here.
- [man] Yeah, it is.

1516
01:19:32.768 --> 01:19:35.814
[William Bulger]
<i>♪ From the mountains ♪</i>

1517
01:19:35.838 --> 01:19:38.439
<i>♪ To the prairies ♪</i>

1518
01:19:38.506 --> 01:19:43.277
<i>♪ To the oceans
White with foam ♪</i>

1519
01:19:44.846 --> 01:19:49.294
<i>♪ God bless America ♪</i>

1520
01:19:49.318 --> 01:19:54.188
<i>♪ My home sweet home ♪</i>

1521
01:19:54.255 --> 01:19:55.923
[band music fades]

1522
01:19:55.990 --> 01:19:58.025
[man] <i>Sadly, he at least in part</i>

1523
01:19:58.092 --> 01:20:02.429
<i>is going to be remembered
because of his brother.</i>

1524
01:20:02.497 --> 01:20:05.032
<i>I hope at some point
we can at least</i>

1525
01:20:05.099 --> 01:20:06.834
<i>find a way to recognize him</i>

1526
01:20:06.901 --> 01:20:10.538
in the contributions he made
to making this a better place.

1527
01:20:12.907 --> 01:20:16.510
[man]<i> He grew up in modest</i>
<i>circumstances in Southie.</i>

1528
01:20:16.578 --> 01:20:20.114
<i>Southie was a very tightly
knit community,</i>

1529
01:20:20.181 --> 01:20:22.516
<i>so they were a force
under themselves.</i>

1530
01:20:22.584 --> 01:20:24.585
And I think Bill Bulger's
political legacy

1531
01:20:24.652 --> 01:20:29.190
will last for another 100
years in Massachusetts.

1532
01:20:29.257 --> 01:20:32.293
People are gonna remember
him for a long time.

1533
01:20:33.461 --> 01:20:34.829
[drums playing]

1534
01:20:39.334 --> 01:20:41.780
[Bill] <i>He raised nine children.</i>

1535
01:20:41.804 --> 01:20:44.916
<i>He came out of the housing
projects in South Boston,</i>

1536
01:20:44.940 --> 01:20:47.185
got himself
to Boston College High School

1537
01:20:47.209 --> 01:20:48.342
and then to Boston College.

1538
01:20:48.409 --> 01:20:49.877
He went into the military

1539
01:20:49.944 --> 01:20:51.912
so the GI Bill could pay for
his College.

1540
01:20:52.814 --> 01:20:54.192
<i>That should shine through more</i>

1541
01:20:54.216 --> 01:20:56.795
<i>than the shadow of a brother.</i>

1542
01:20:56.819 --> 01:20:58.752
You know, whatever the
transgressions of his brother,

1543
01:20:58.820 --> 01:21:00.487
that should not overshadow
my dad.

1544
01:21:05.226 --> 01:21:06.493
[sentimental music]

1545
01:21:19.641 --> 01:21:21.508
[newsreader]
<i>And we have breaking news now</i>

1546
01:21:21.576 --> 01:21:23.444
<i>about a notorious
Boston mobster.</i>

1547
01:21:23.511 --> 01:21:24.689
[reporter] <i>We're just learning</i>

1548
01:21:24.713 --> 01:21:27.158
<i>that the notorious gangster
James "Whitey" Bulger</i>

1549
01:21:27.182 --> 01:21:29.116
<i>has been killed in prison.</i>

1550
01:21:29.183 --> 01:21:30.618
<i>Officials had just moved him</i>

1551
01:21:30.652 --> 01:21:32.453
<i>to a prison in West Virginia.</i>

1552
01:21:38.393 --> 01:21:41.640
At the height of his power,
"Whitey" Bulger ruled the streets

1553
01:21:41.664 --> 01:21:43.041
with an iron fist.

1554
01:21:43.065 --> 01:21:45.198
But those days are long over.

1555
01:21:45.233 --> 01:21:48.914
Now "Whitey" Bulger is dead
in a prison in West Virginia

1556
01:21:48.938 --> 01:21:52.183
and authorities are trying to
figure out how this happened.

1557
01:21:52.207 --> 01:21:53.807
I'm out in front
of Billy's house.

1558
01:21:53.875 --> 01:21:57.522
By the way, he came home
and we got a fleeting shot of him.

1559
01:21:57.546 --> 01:21:59.457
You know, they just kind of
pulled up and he ran in.

1560
01:21:59.481 --> 01:22:02.416
We did see one man come up,
leave a card in the mailbox

1561
01:22:02.483 --> 01:22:03.862
right there and walk away.

1562
01:22:03.886 --> 01:22:05.419
He didn't want to talk either

1563
01:22:05.486 --> 01:22:07.999
as reaction
continues to come in.

1564
01:22:08.023 --> 01:22:09.290
[reporters chatter]

1565
01:22:11.225 --> 01:22:13.672
[Catherine] <i>I was in my room</i>

1566
01:22:13.696 --> 01:22:17.097
and I could hear people
running down the hallway

1567
01:22:17.165 --> 01:22:18.565
and my friend...

1568
01:22:19.901 --> 01:22:21.146
[breaths deeply]

1569
01:22:21.170 --> 01:22:23.304
[voice breaking]
...stood in the doorway and...

1570
01:22:23.371 --> 01:22:25.506
"Miss Catherine...
Miss Catherine..."

1571
01:22:27.575 --> 01:22:29.421
<i>"It's Jimmy..."</i>

1572
01:22:29.445 --> 01:22:30.822
<i>I thought he had a heart attack</i>

1573
01:22:30.846 --> 01:22:32.646
<i>because he had
mini heart attacks.</i>

1574
01:22:32.714 --> 01:22:35.616
And she said, "He was murdered."

1575
01:22:39.921 --> 01:22:42.323
I screamed.
I literally screamed.

1576
01:22:42.390 --> 01:22:43.568
I couldn't believe it.

1577
01:22:43.592 --> 01:22:46.527
I jumped up
and I ran down the room

1578
01:22:46.594 --> 01:22:48.195
<i>and I think I ran yelling
the whole way</i>

1579
01:22:48.262 --> 01:22:50.597
<i>"'Whitey' Bulger is dead.
He's been killed."</i>

1580
01:22:53.401 --> 01:22:54.668
It was stunning.

1581
01:22:54.736 --> 01:22:57.182
It was really stunning
that he would...

1582
01:22:57.206 --> 01:22:58.706
That it would end that way.

1583
01:23:03.078 --> 01:23:06.613
[Bob Ward] <i>We all knew "Whitey"
Bulger was going to meet his end.</i>

1584
01:23:06.681 --> 01:23:09.817
But still, it's kind of a shock
when it actually happens.

1585
01:23:09.884 --> 01:23:12.820
"Whitey" has been
this larger than life

1586
01:23:12.887 --> 01:23:15.956
figure in South Boston
and in Boston,

1587
01:23:16.024 --> 01:23:18.136
I think all of New England,
for decades.

1588
01:23:18.160 --> 01:23:21.072
<i>And now he's gone,
and it's just kind of hard</i>

1589
01:23:21.096 --> 01:23:23.364
to let that sort of sink
in a little bit.

1590
01:23:26.901 --> 01:23:28.302
Part of me was angry at myself

1591
01:23:28.369 --> 01:23:30.882
because I had visited him
several times in jail

1592
01:23:30.906 --> 01:23:33.240
and it had been a while since
I had visited him

1593
01:23:33.307 --> 01:23:35.909
and I really regretted the fact
that I had not at least gone down

1594
01:23:35.977 --> 01:23:37.311
to visit him,

1595
01:23:37.378 --> 01:23:39.113
you know, one more time.

1596
01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:41.115
When I learned that he died,

1597
01:23:41.182 --> 01:23:43.117
I didn't think of it
as the end of a chapter,

1598
01:23:43.184 --> 01:23:46.920
I thought of it
as who signed the paperwork

1599
01:23:46.988 --> 01:23:48.322
to put him in that prison.

1600
01:23:49.457 --> 01:23:50.657
<i>It was a set up.</i>

1601
01:23:50.725 --> 01:23:54.305
<i>The government executed him
in my opinion.</i>

1602
01:23:54.329 --> 01:23:57.931
[Catherine]<i> He was waiting to
be transferred to a medical facility,</i>

1603
01:23:57.999 --> 01:24:00.845
and instead, somehow
they transferred him

1604
01:24:00.869 --> 01:24:03.537
to the most dangerous...

1605
01:24:03.604 --> 01:24:04.849
[voice breaking]
...prison and put him

1606
01:24:04.873 --> 01:24:07.452
in population immediately.

1607
01:24:07.476 --> 01:24:11.189
No, that's not
one person's mistake.

1608
01:24:11.213 --> 01:24:13.547
That is over-seeing.

1609
01:24:14.949 --> 01:24:17.195
[woman] <i>We are very
aggressively chasing the story</i>

1610
01:24:17.219 --> 01:24:18.619
<i>of "Whitey" Bulger's murder</i>

1611
01:24:18.686 --> 01:24:20.287
because I feel strongly that

1612
01:24:20.354 --> 01:24:23.802
this needs to be
thoroughly investigated.

1613
01:24:23.826 --> 01:24:25.737
There needs to be
accountability.

1614
01:24:25.761 --> 01:24:27.405
And that...

1615
01:24:27.429 --> 01:24:30.297
I'm not just talking about the
people that went into the cell

1616
01:24:30.364 --> 01:24:31.409
and murdered him.

1617
01:24:31.433 --> 01:24:33.611
I'm talking about the people
in the Bureau of Prisons

1618
01:24:33.635 --> 01:24:36.214
who put him in a position
where he could be murdered.

1619
01:24:36.238 --> 01:24:38.172
And that's really
the bigger question.

1620
01:24:48.449 --> 01:24:53.387
[Catherine] <i>He wasn't the person
that was created by the media.</i>

1621
01:24:54.856 --> 01:24:57.791
<i>I don't know how they created
what they did.</i>

1622
01:24:57.859 --> 01:25:01.795
It seems like they needed him
to be a monster.

1623
01:25:03.331 --> 01:25:07.334
<i>I felt like
it was my responsibility</i>

1624
01:25:07.401 --> 01:25:10.904
<i>to try to diminish
this horrible image.</i>

1625
01:25:12.073 --> 01:25:14.274
<i>I thought this is my chance</i>

1626
01:25:15.410 --> 01:25:17.455
to see how my life was

1627
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:19.746
and it really, truly...

1628
01:25:19.814 --> 01:25:22.082
<i>If I had to do all over again,</i>

1629
01:25:22.150 --> 01:25:23.417
<i>I would go with him.</i>

1630
01:25:28.089 --> 01:25:29.389
[morose music]

1631
01:25:42.303 --> 01:25:45.016
[William Bulger]<i> The subject</i>
<i>that interests so many,</i>

1632
01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:48.686
<i>the life and the activities
of my brother James</i>

1633
01:25:48.710 --> 01:25:50.978
<i>is painful and difficult for me.</i>

1634
01:25:53.047 --> 01:25:57.295
<i>But it is a subject I've lived
with for a long time.</i>

1635
01:25:57.319 --> 01:26:00.387
<i>In truth, my effort with Jim
spanned the decades.</i>

1636
01:26:02.190 --> 01:26:04.191
<i>My attempts to change
my brother's life</i>

1637
01:26:04.258 --> 01:26:06.994
<i>were unsuccessful.</i>

1638
01:26:07.061 --> 01:26:10.531
<i>I wish that I could have
achieved success.</i>

1639
01:26:10.598 --> 01:26:13.066
<i>But I must tell you
that reforming Jim Bulger</i>

1640
01:26:13.134 --> 01:26:18.116
<i>was not my sole
24 hour a day focus.</i>

1641
01:26:18.140 --> 01:26:21.842
<i>I never wrote my brother off
or walled him off,</i>

1642
01:26:23.344 --> 01:26:26.658
<i>but public service
and my own immediate family</i>

1643
01:26:26.682 --> 01:26:29.116
<i>placed very large claims on me.</i>

1644
01:26:31.619 --> 01:26:34.154
<i>And while I worried
about my brother,</i>

1645
01:26:34.222 --> 01:26:36.623
<i>I now recognize
that I didn't fully grasp</i>

1646
01:26:36.691 --> 01:26:38.559
<i>the dimensions of his life.</i>

1647
01:26:47.502 --> 01:26:49.436
[somber music]

1648
01:27:01.716 --> 01:27:03.550
[somber music continues]

1649
01:27:09.056 --> 01:27:11.525
[William praying]
Our Father, Who art in heaven

1650
01:27:11.592 --> 01:27:13.026
hallowed be Thy name.

1651
01:27:13.928 --> 01:27:15.173
Thy kingdom come

1652
01:27:15.197 --> 01:27:16.774
Thy will be done

1653
01:27:16.798 --> 01:27:19.666
on earth as it is in Heaven.

1654
01:27:19.734 --> 01:27:21.579
Give us this day our daily bread

1655
01:27:21.603 --> 01:27:23.136
and forgive us our trespasses

1656
01:27:23.204 --> 01:27:25.772
as we forgive those
who trespass against us.

1657
01:27:26.941 --> 01:27:28.809
And lead us not into temptation

1658
01:27:28.876 --> 01:27:31.545
but deliver us from evil. Amen.

1659
01:27:37.084 --> 01:27:40.887
[somber music]