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At that Florida department
of corrections facility

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in stark, Florida,

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the signal has now come

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shortly after 7:00 this morning,

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eastern time.

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The signal came
from the witness window

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at the facility there
that Ted Bundy,

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convicted killer
of a 12-year-old girl,

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rape and murder of her in 1978,

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had died in the electric chair.

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Many of those outside the prison
who had maintained a vigil

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broke into cheers

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following the signal
that Bundy was dead.

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After exhausting

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a series of appeals
that lasted 10 years,

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Ted Bundy is dead.

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Bundy: If it was...

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Something I could use,
I would use it.

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I would learn their routine...

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When they got home from work,

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how often
they went out to dinner,

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how often they ordered takeout.

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If they had a boyfriend,
when would he stop by?

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Did she have a dog? Did it bark?

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Those are the things
I would learn.

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Then on the night
of the full moon,

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I would make my approach.

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The full moon is key.

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You show a woman a badge
at night,

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know some real details
about her,

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she'll follow you right
to your car.

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That's where I would hit her
over the head with a tire iron

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hidden in the bumper
behind the wheel well.

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Once she was out,
I would drive her out

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to a spot I'd picked out
weeks before,

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secluded, wooded, no traffic,

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where no one would see my car.

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Bundy: That's what I would do,
if I did it.

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But I didn't.

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I'm innocent of the crimes
for which I've been convicted,

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as well as those
I'm suspected of.

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I'm an innocent man.

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I was at Roger's
right before Korea

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with my first wife.

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It wasn't my wife.
They buried the pig.

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Glad to hear that.
We're all here.

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And as you all know,

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no good deed goes unpunished.

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You guys did such a fine job

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with the first
36 research interviews.

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The deputy director
wants another 36.

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- Oh, so generous.
- Depue: So...

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We're gonna expand our list

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to include serial rapists,
child molesters,

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and any of the serial murders

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we didn't get to
the first time around.

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So, we put together
a tentative wish list.

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You guys all know the drill.
You volunteer or be volunteered.

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First up is berkowitz. Myers.

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I got friends on the staff
up in attica.

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- I'll take a run at him.
- Man: Take it.

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Sounds good. Bittaker.

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I'll take bittaker.
Worked the guy before.

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You got some family
in California,

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- don't you?
- Man: Yeah, Cali boy.

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I saw your hand shoot up there
really quick.

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You j... you just want to
go to California. Alright.

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- Man: Got your number, bud.
- Alright.

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Hold on here. Bundy.

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Man: No one's taking that.

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- No.
- Depue: Anyone.

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No way.

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Yeah, I'll take him.

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Don't waste your time, bro.
He won't talk to you.

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He hates feds.
He won't talk to any of us.

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I can always give it a shot.

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- Man: Yeah, give it a shot.
- I've been fortunate in the past

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with developing informants
that nobody thought would talk.

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We're all familiar
with your record.

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So why don't you meet with me
after the meeting,

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and we'll discuss this, okay?

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Yes, sir.

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Look, Roger,
I don't want to buck.

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I'm the new guy here.

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I don't want to step
on anyone's toes.

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He's not gonna confess
to anything,

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but even the simplest thing,
it might slip through.

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Look, there are families
out there looking for answers,

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and if we can provide
closure for just one,

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it'll be worthwhile.

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Alright.

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I'll have them
pull the files for you.

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Oh, um...

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Just the biography,

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not the crime scene photos.

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Hagmaier.

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Man: Hey, bill. It's will.

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I reached out to the warden

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about getting you
into that interview.

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- Did you talk to him?
- Man: Yeah, I did.

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Bundy wants you
to write him a letter.

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Write him a what?!

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Man: A letter.
Who knows with this guy.

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Can you get it done by tomorrow?

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Yeah, sure.

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- I can do that.
- Man: Great.

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You get it to me.
I'll get it to Bundy.

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Yeah. Alright.

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- Thanks, will.
- Man: Yeah.

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Agent bill hagmaier.

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- Officer: Sign here.
- Mm-hmm.

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Officer: You've got
to check your weapon.

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Hagmaier: Okay.

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Warden: Agent,
he's not gonna talk to you.

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He hates the feds.

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We've exchanged letters.

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He has expressed interest.

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[Sighing 1 oh.

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Yeah.
I need you to talk to Bundy.

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I have an agent, uh...

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- Hagmaier.
- Agent hagmaier.

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Says he wants to talk to him
or something.

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Yeah. No, that's what I said.

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Okay. Call me back.

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A while back,
a TV network offered him $50,000

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to do a special.

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He turned them down.

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So, he's not going to do
something like this for free.

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Yeah.

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Well, put him on.

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I don't give a good god damn
what he's doing.

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Put him on the phone.

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Yeah, Bundy.
Are you sure about this?

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Because I don't want
any goddamn bullshit

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splattering on my desk over it.

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You'd think
you're smarter than him.

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You think
you're gonna be the one

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that's gonna get him to confess?

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I don't think I'm smarter, sir.

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I don't think you necessarily
have to be smarter.

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This is what's going to happen,
agent hagmaier.

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Ted Bundy will come down.

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He'll toy with you
for a little while.

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He will cat and mouse with you.

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He will make you think
you are getting somewhere.

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Then he's gonna leave you there,

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go back to his cell,

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and jerk off at the memory.

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Well, at least that'll give me
something to write about.

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Officer: You know the drill.

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Well, say something.

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You came to talk to me,

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Mr. Bundy,
I'm special agent hagmaier.

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I know who you are.

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Well, I'm grateful

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for you to take the time
to see me today.

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We're compiling
a series of interviews

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to try to find common threads

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in the way that people think,

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and we're finding it...
Very helpful to get an idea

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of what people in your...

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Situation...

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Well,
what their childhoods were like,

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what brings out
their aggression,

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what makes them angry?

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My situation?

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Your situation is quite unique

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in that you also have,
from what I understand,

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an interest in the psychology
of serial murderers.

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I do.

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You've been writing to
an investigator up in Seattle.

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Uh, yes.

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You mean the green river thing?

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Yeah, that's a really
interesting case.

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I don't have, uh,
access to everything,

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but i-I've started to piece
some things together.

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And that thought process is why
I wanted to speak with you.

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Not, it isn't.

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Th-this is purely academic.

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Bundy: I know this is.

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You FBI guys,
you're all the same.

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You think you're better than me.

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You're all just hoover disciples

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riding through
on your high horses,

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thinking you've got
the biggest brains in the room.

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If you're so smart,
why aren't you bagging

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serial killers left and right?

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Why doesn't witness protection
actually work?

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If you testify,
we'll Grant you immunity,

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and you can go
into witness protection.

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Live out your life
in a quaint small town.

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But it never works.
They always get killed.

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- You can't protect them.
- Well, witness protection is...

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You are liars in cheap suits
on government salaries,

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and everything is
an elaborate trap with you,

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all so you can
retire on a pension

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- and write your damn book.
- Look, I'm just...

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No, no, no! You...
Sell that to the tourists.

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You can never trust an FBI man.

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Not for a goddamn minute.

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Mr. Bundy...
Is this meeting over?

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No, sir, we were
just getting started.

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Mr. Hagmaier,
is this meeting over?

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No, no, we're just having a...

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Friendly conversation
on the state of the bureau.

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If you get up and put
your fingers in his face again,

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you won't be using them
for a year.

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Bundy: Yes, sir.

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You could've buried me there.

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Do you know what
they would have done to me?

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Yeah, I have a pretty good idea.

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Look, I don't want
to get you on anything.

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I'm not even gonna ask
if you killed anybody.

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It doesn't matter to me.

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W-Why would you want
to talk to me specifically?

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Look, we both have
psychology degrees.

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You almost have a law degree.

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You have more education
than I do.

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I know the guys on the row
come to you looking for advice.

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And you help them
with their appeals.

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We trust you.
They tell you things.

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I'm not gonna ask you
anyone's secrets.

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I-I just...

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I just want to recruit you
to help me see

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if we're going down
the right road on this.

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Are we asking
the right questions?

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Are we looking
at the right people?

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I'm not here
looking for evidence.

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I'm looking for understanding.

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I don't know what you know.

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I don't see what you see.

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I don't hear what you hear.

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I don't think you'd tell me
the truth,

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even if I did ask you.

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I'm just...
I got to start somewhere.

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Why do they send you down here?

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Why didn't they bring
the prima Donnas in?

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Why didn't they send in
Montgomery or Douglas?

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Well, they didn't even think
you'd talk to us.

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- Bundy: Why, because I had feds?
- Yeah.

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I don't know where
they get that idea about me.

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I'll tell you what.

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I bet they think they would
do a better job than you.

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I bet you're right about that.
I'm just the rookie.

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So, this is what
I get from the FBI, huh?

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A god damn rookie.

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Let me ask you something.

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Shoot.

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Bundy: What do you think
about this thing...

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The pornography
and violent crime?

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I read dietz's article about it.

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- Which one?
- The one from the bsu.

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00:16:03.754 --> 00:16:05.423
How do you know about that?

256
00:16:09.802 --> 00:16:11.429
Where'd you get all this?

257
00:16:11.471 --> 00:16:13.973
These are FBI bulletins.
Even I don't have some of this.

258
00:16:14.015 --> 00:16:16.726
It's some
pretty heavy reading material.

259
00:16:16.767 --> 00:16:18.394
I'm impressed.

260
00:16:18.436 --> 00:16:19.604
Do you have playboys, too.

261
00:16:19.645 --> 00:16:21.481
That's what the scrum have.

262
00:16:21.522 --> 00:16:23.608
I-I-I didn't mean to imply...

263
00:16:23.649 --> 00:16:25.902
Do you really think playboy
makes people do these things?

264
00:16:25.943 --> 00:16:28.446
- No.
- Neither do I.

265
00:16:35.995 --> 00:16:39.332
I'll tell you what
the real bad pornography is.

266
00:16:39.373 --> 00:16:43.920
The marriage of pleasure
with the thrill of control.

267
00:16:43.961 --> 00:16:45.796
The real danger isn't

268
00:16:45.838 --> 00:16:49.550
watching a woman get undressed
or reading a playboy.

269
00:16:49.592 --> 00:16:52.678
It's someone having the
euphoric feeling of having sex

270
00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:55.806
and hurting someone
at the same time,

271
00:16:55.848 --> 00:16:59.810
like in the detective magazines.

272
00:17:02.021 --> 00:17:03.665
The ones with the girls
on the front covers

273
00:17:03.689 --> 00:17:05.816
with their breasts
falling out of their dress

274
00:17:05.858 --> 00:17:09.195
while someone garrots them
from behind.

275
00:17:09.237 --> 00:17:12.323
"Read the true story
of one killer's obsession."

276
00:17:12.365 --> 00:17:14.200
Exactly.

277
00:17:14.242 --> 00:17:16.285
You know what those
are really good for, though?

278
00:17:16.327 --> 00:17:18.788
- What?
- Learning how not to get caught.

279
00:17:18.829 --> 00:17:20.540
I imagine they would be.

280
00:17:20.581 --> 00:17:23.501
They are instruction manuals
on how to get away with it.

281
00:17:27.004 --> 00:17:29.882
So, did you read a lot
of those growing up?

282
00:17:29.924 --> 00:17:32.802
No, no, I never read them.

283
00:17:32.843 --> 00:17:35.304
Bundy: So how did you
end up in the FBI?

284
00:17:35.346 --> 00:17:36.889
I think we should focus on...

285
00:17:36.931 --> 00:17:38.766
- On me?
- Yeah.

286
00:17:38.808 --> 00:17:41.102
You asked me to trust you, bill.

287
00:17:41.143 --> 00:17:43.229
But I don't know you from Adam.

288
00:17:46.899 --> 00:17:48.401
I ended up in the FBI
by accident.

289
00:17:48.442 --> 00:17:50.027
Oh, bullshit.

290
00:17:50.069 --> 00:17:51.838
You've got to have a degree.
What's you get it for?

291
00:17:51.862 --> 00:17:53.281
I wanted to be
a guidance counselor.

292
00:17:53.322 --> 00:17:54.949
Oh, no. No way.

293
00:17:54.991 --> 00:17:57.410
Hagmaier: Seriously.
A guidance counselor.

294
00:17:59.078 --> 00:18:01.539
How does a guidance counselor
end up in the FBI?

295
00:18:01.581 --> 00:18:04.125
Two weeks after I graduated,
I was drafted.

296
00:18:04.166 --> 00:18:06.210
- You want to 'nam?
- No.

297
00:18:06.252 --> 00:18:09.714
No, my brother was over there
and had just been shot.

298
00:18:09.755 --> 00:18:11.591
That bullet spared me
from having to go over.

299
00:18:11.632 --> 00:18:13.092
So, what did you do?

300
00:18:13.134 --> 00:18:15.386
I ended up as a counselor
at a military prison.

301
00:18:15.428 --> 00:18:18.306
And someone there
was a serial killer.

302
00:18:18.347 --> 00:18:20.600
Hagmaier: A few.

303
00:18:20.641 --> 00:18:22.268
Did you counsel them?

304
00:18:22.310 --> 00:18:24.353
Some.

305
00:18:24.395 --> 00:18:26.647
I bet you never wanted
for a thing in your life.

306
00:18:26.689 --> 00:18:28.107
What did your dad do?

307
00:18:28.149 --> 00:18:30.610
Investment banking,
upper management.

308
00:18:30.651 --> 00:18:31.902
Mailman.

309
00:18:34.322 --> 00:18:36.574
Happy childhood?

310
00:18:38.284 --> 00:18:39.702
Were you close to him?

311
00:18:39.744 --> 00:18:42.622
He was a drunk.

312
00:18:42.663 --> 00:18:45.541
Okay.

313
00:18:45.583 --> 00:18:48.461
Moving on.

314
00:18:48.502 --> 00:18:49.920
Once you got in the FBI,

315
00:18:49.962 --> 00:18:52.006
you chased a job in the bsu?

316
00:18:52.048 --> 00:18:54.300
No, I was recommended.

317
00:18:54.342 --> 00:18:56.844
Like I said,
I ended up here by accident.

318
00:18:56.886 --> 00:18:59.138
You broke a big case.

319
00:18:59.180 --> 00:19:00.806
I contributed.

320
00:19:00.848 --> 00:19:02.266
Serial killer?

321
00:19:03.809 --> 00:19:07.104
No, I-I developed a ci
on an armored car robbery

322
00:19:07.146 --> 00:19:08.773
that no one thought would talk.

323
00:19:08.814 --> 00:19:10.524
He gave us everything we needed.

324
00:19:10.566 --> 00:19:12.401
- That New York thing.
- Yeah.

325
00:19:12.443 --> 00:19:15.738
Oh!

326
00:19:15.780 --> 00:19:18.658
That is the biggest
armored car heist in history.

327
00:19:18.699 --> 00:19:21.369
I've read about you.
You're no rookie.

328
00:19:21.410 --> 00:19:23.245
You're some hotshot
young upstart,

329
00:19:23.287 --> 00:19:24.664
and I'm your next big case.

330
00:19:24.705 --> 00:19:26.099
You're gonna be
the guy who broke me.

331
00:19:26.123 --> 00:19:27.750
- No.
- Bundy: Come on.

332
00:19:27.792 --> 00:19:29.502
You can't bullshit
a bullshitter.

333
00:19:29.543 --> 00:19:32.213
I'm not. I'm a scientist.

334
00:19:32.254 --> 00:19:34.590
I-I just want to understand.

335
00:19:34.632 --> 00:19:36.509
Oh, you want to understand.

336
00:19:42.348 --> 00:19:45.184
Well, I'll tell you...

337
00:19:45.226 --> 00:19:48.521
You and your colleagues
out there...

338
00:19:48.562 --> 00:19:50.481
The investigators,
the detectives,

339
00:19:52.233 --> 00:19:56.195
You're like fisherman
out on the water.

340
00:19:57.738 --> 00:19:58.989
You throw your bait in.

341
00:19:59.031 --> 00:20:00.908
You're trying
to catch your fish.

342
00:20:03.452 --> 00:20:05.079
The smaller fish,

343
00:20:05.121 --> 00:20:07.373
the inexperienced ones,

344
00:20:07.415 --> 00:20:09.875
the ones who are still
driven by their ego,

345
00:20:09.917 --> 00:20:13.003
wemtheytegonna fightforthal

346
00:20:13.045 --> 00:20:14.648
they're gonna swim up,
and they're going to try

347
00:20:14.672 --> 00:20:16.382
and get that hook.

348
00:20:16.424 --> 00:20:20.511
They don't know it's a hook
because they're stupid.

349
00:20:20.553 --> 00:20:22.805
They're arrogant.

350
00:20:22.847 --> 00:20:27.184
And you'll... you'll catch
a lot of those fish,

351
00:20:27.226 --> 00:20:28.519
but occasionally,

352
00:20:28.561 --> 00:20:30.563
your bait will sink
a little lower,

353
00:20:30.604 --> 00:20:32.523
to the middle level,

354
00:20:32.565 --> 00:20:35.234
and that's where
the medium-sized fish are.

355
00:20:35.276 --> 00:20:38.028
And they're hard to catch.

356
00:20:38.070 --> 00:20:39.530
You only catch them
when they're lazy

357
00:20:39.572 --> 00:20:41.240
or their egos get
the better of them.

358
00:20:41.282 --> 00:20:44.493
You get them. You pull them up.

359
00:20:44.535 --> 00:20:46.162
You mount them on your wall.

360
00:20:46.203 --> 00:20:50.291
You get you press conference.
You write your book.

361
00:20:50.332 --> 00:20:53.002
But deep down...

362
00:20:53.043 --> 00:20:55.087
In the deepest
depths of the sea,

363
00:20:55.129 --> 00:20:57.214
is where the biggest fish are.

364
00:20:59.133 --> 00:21:02.219
And you have no idea
how big they are.

365
00:21:02.261 --> 00:21:05.973
You have no idea how long
they've been down there.

366
00:21:06.015 --> 00:21:08.350
They see everything.

367
00:21:08.392 --> 00:21:11.812
They watch everything.

368
00:21:11.854 --> 00:21:15.232
Sometimes, they eat
the smaller fish.

369
00:21:15.274 --> 00:21:17.151
But they don't take the bait.

370
00:21:19.153 --> 00:21:21.989
The only way you can catch them

371
00:21:22.031 --> 00:21:23.908
is to become one of them.

372
00:21:27.203 --> 00:21:29.497
And you can't do that.

373
00:21:33.417 --> 00:21:35.377
You won't do that.

374
00:21:37.505 --> 00:21:41.217
Not yet.

375
00:21:41.258 --> 00:21:43.302
Maybe someday...

376
00:21:43.344 --> 00:21:45.429
If I can trust you...

377
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.560
I'll take you
under the water with me.

378
00:21:51.602 --> 00:21:54.313
You can see how deep
all this goes.

379
00:22:03.072 --> 00:22:06.283
Officer: Mr. Bundy, it's time.

380
00:22:06.325 --> 00:22:08.345
- We're done anyway.
- Would you like me to come back

381
00:22:08.369 --> 00:22:10.204
to continue this conversation?

382
00:22:10.246 --> 00:22:13.332
Ah, we'll see.

383
00:22:13.374 --> 00:22:16.085
Maybe I'll write you a letter
or something.

384
00:22:19.338 --> 00:22:23.050
Oh, but if you do come back...

385
00:22:23.092 --> 00:22:25.803
Could you bring me some gum?

386
00:22:25.845 --> 00:22:28.097
-Well, that's contraband,
-yeah, I know.

387
00:22:28.138 --> 00:22:29.974
The wrappers.

388
00:22:30.015 --> 00:22:33.519
Look, maybe you can
talk to the warden.

389
00:22:33.561 --> 00:22:35.437
I'll see what I can do.

390
00:22:47.867 --> 00:22:51.787
So, did you get anything
we could use?

391
00:22:53.289 --> 00:22:55.124
But I got a pretty good
read on them.

392
00:22:55.165 --> 00:22:56.667
Depue: Yeah.

393
00:22:56.709 --> 00:22:58.549
You think he's capable
of all the other murders

394
00:22:58.586 --> 00:23:00.421
he's suspected of?

395
00:23:00.462 --> 00:23:02.089
Oh, he's...
He's guilty, alright.

396
00:23:02.131 --> 00:23:05.426
- He all but admitted it to me.
- You're kidding me.

397
00:23:05.467 --> 00:23:07.803
Hagmaier: He wouldn't
say he did it.

398
00:23:07.845 --> 00:23:10.055
He won't. Not yet.

399
00:23:10.097 --> 00:23:12.349
But he wanted me
to know he did it.

400
00:23:12.391 --> 00:23:14.435
He's proud...

401
00:23:14.476 --> 00:23:15.769
Proud of what he's done,

402
00:23:15.811 --> 00:23:17.855
but even more so
that we can't prove it.

403
00:23:17.897 --> 00:23:19.440
What do you think he wants?

404
00:23:19.481 --> 00:23:21.525
Well, he says he wants me
to bring down case files

405
00:23:21.567 --> 00:23:23.193
so he can help profile.

406
00:23:23.235 --> 00:23:24.653
What do you say?

407
00:23:24.695 --> 00:23:26.864
I say
it's more complicated than that.

408
00:23:26.906 --> 00:23:28.782
I think you should
keep pulling at that thread

409
00:23:28.824 --> 00:23:30.659
and see what's
at the other end of it.

410
00:23:30.701 --> 00:23:33.162
Okay.

411
00:23:33.203 --> 00:23:35.456
Bundy: Man, how many times
do I have to tell you?

412
00:23:35.497 --> 00:23:38.417
I've got nothing else to say.

413
00:23:38.459 --> 00:23:40.085
Man: Here you go, bill.

414
00:23:40.127 --> 00:23:41.337
Thanks, Tom.

415
00:24:57.162 --> 00:24:59.540
Hello.

416
00:24:59.581 --> 00:25:01.834
Hello.

417
00:25:07.089 --> 00:25:09.758
- You remembered?
- I did.

418
00:25:09.800 --> 00:25:12.678
The warden was very particular
about the wrappers,

419
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.972
but since you played
nice last time,

420
00:25:15.014 --> 00:25:16.223
he made an exception.

421
00:25:16.265 --> 00:25:18.308
Spearmint.

422
00:25:18.350 --> 00:25:19.977
How'd you know
it was my favorite?

423
00:25:20.019 --> 00:25:21.478
I didn't.

424
00:25:41.331 --> 00:25:43.625
That is very good.

425
00:25:46.170 --> 00:25:49.256
So, tell me, what's the,
uh, tape recorder for?

426
00:25:49.298 --> 00:25:51.341
I thought we'd talk
about some cases.

427
00:25:51.383 --> 00:25:53.302
And you need a tape recorder
for that?

428
00:25:53.343 --> 00:25:56.305
Well, you have a unique window
into this world,

429
00:25:56.346 --> 00:25:58.324
and there's a good chance
you'll say a great many things

430
00:25:58.348 --> 00:25:59.767
that I'd like a record of.

431
00:25:59.808 --> 00:26:01.435
Okay.

432
00:26:01.477 --> 00:26:04.646
- But if I say shut it off.
- It goes off.

433
00:26:04.688 --> 00:26:06.732
Well, press record,

434
00:26:06.774 --> 00:26:09.485
and let's get this
party started.

435
00:26:11.195 --> 00:26:12.237
I'm gonna save this.

436
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.157
It is February 13, 1986.

437
00:26:15.199 --> 00:26:16.825
This is agent bill hagmaier.

438
00:26:16.867 --> 00:26:17.993
I'm sitting with Theodore...

439
00:26:18.035 --> 00:26:19.036
No, Ted.

440
00:26:19.078 --> 00:26:22.372
I'm sitting with Ted Bundy.

441
00:26:22.414 --> 00:26:24.041
Bundy: Where do you wanna start?

442
00:26:24.083 --> 00:26:25.918
Uh, I thought we'd
start with green river.

443
00:26:25.959 --> 00:26:27.419
Bundy: I feel like
there's something

444
00:26:27.461 --> 00:26:29.505
I could add
to the investigation.

445
00:26:29.546 --> 00:26:32.424
I understand why they can't show
me pictures or tell me things,

446
00:26:32.466 --> 00:26:35.677
but if I could just see some
of those crime scene photos,

447
00:26:35.719 --> 00:26:37.489
I think it would be something
of a revelation.

448
00:26:37.513 --> 00:26:39.765
I could see some of the changes

449
00:26:39.807 --> 00:26:41.034
that this guy was going through,

450
00:26:41.058 --> 00:26:43.018
at least on a superficial level.

451
00:26:43.060 --> 00:26:45.312
Hagmaier: Superficial?

452
00:26:45.354 --> 00:26:47.689
This is a person that
we're looking for here,

453
00:26:47.731 --> 00:26:49.399
assuming that
it's just one person.

454
00:26:49.441 --> 00:26:52.736
This is a living, breathing,
viable human being,

455
00:26:52.778 --> 00:26:54.696
who's just going about his life

456
00:26:54.738 --> 00:26:56.657
in a way
that makes sense to him.

457
00:26:56.698 --> 00:26:58.742
He isn't some kind of monster

458
00:26:58.784 --> 00:27:00.619
because he wasn't
at the beginning.

459
00:27:00.661 --> 00:27:03.330
He's sick, demented, sure.

460
00:27:03.372 --> 00:27:07.709
But... when you start
using jargon like that,

461
00:27:07.751 --> 00:27:09.795
those impassioned terms,

462
00:27:09.837 --> 00:27:13.006
you forget that there's
a lot of him that in you.

463
00:27:13.048 --> 00:27:15.217
I don't know about that.

464
00:27:15.259 --> 00:27:17.594
There is nothing
that this guy has thought

465
00:27:17.636 --> 00:27:20.931
that you haven't thought
at one time or another.

466
00:27:20.973 --> 00:27:22.850
What, he's just...

467
00:27:22.891 --> 00:27:25.602
Taking it a step further
for one reason or another.

468
00:27:25.644 --> 00:27:28.105
Well, sure.

469
00:27:28.147 --> 00:27:31.567
They're crediting him
with 36 now.

470
00:27:31.608 --> 00:27:33.735
And yet, he's still
avoided detection,

471
00:27:33.777 --> 00:27:36.405
even with a vulnerable
victim class like prostitutes.

472
00:27:36.446 --> 00:27:38.907
Not a real high-risk crime
for the offender.

473
00:27:38.949 --> 00:27:42.035
Still bold as hell.

474
00:27:42.077 --> 00:27:44.538
I'm amazed at some
of his crassness and luck,

475
00:27:44.580 --> 00:27:46.373
going back to the same area,

476
00:27:46.415 --> 00:27:49.293
even while all hell
was breaking loose.

477
00:27:49.334 --> 00:27:50.919
All of the girls being

478
00:27:50.961 --> 00:27:52.379
fully aware
of what was going on,

479
00:27:52.421 --> 00:27:53.648
he still managed to get victims,

480
00:27:53.672 --> 00:27:56.675
and then he just stops?

481
00:27:56.717 --> 00:27:59.803
Now, do you think a person
like that can just stop?

482
00:27:59.845 --> 00:28:03.140
It's unlikely,
though, if he did,

483
00:28:03.182 --> 00:28:05.601
maybe he was exhausted.

484
00:28:05.642 --> 00:28:07.269
Exhausted?

485
00:28:07.311 --> 00:28:09.062
Do you have any idea

486
00:28:09.104 --> 00:28:11.773
what a spree like this
would take out of you?

487
00:28:11.815 --> 00:28:14.067
It's...

488
00:28:14.109 --> 00:28:16.612
Too big a bite, man.
Too big a bite.

489
00:28:16.653 --> 00:28:19.781
- I can't even begin to imagine.
- Yes, you can.

490
00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:22.886
Do you think I don't know
why you're asking me

491
00:28:22.910 --> 00:28:24.328
about this stuff?

492
00:28:24.369 --> 00:28:26.580
What do you mean?

493
00:28:26.622 --> 00:28:28.665
About the murders
in the pacific northwest,

494
00:28:28.707 --> 00:28:30.250
well, you said in your letters

495
00:28:30.292 --> 00:28:31.936
that you wanted to discuss
the green river case?

496
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.963
Do you want to ask me
about, um, Utah next,

497
00:28:35.005 --> 00:28:37.424
or Florida or Idaho.

498
00:28:37.466 --> 00:28:40.761
- What's in Idaho?
- Bundy: I'm just naming states.

499
00:28:40.802 --> 00:28:43.388
Look, i-I'm here to talk to you

500
00:28:43.430 --> 00:28:45.724
about anything
you'd like to talk about.

501
00:28:54.983 --> 00:28:58.070
Do you think there's a point
in a person's progression

502
00:28:58.111 --> 00:29:02.449
where they... they say,
"this is my life's work.

503
00:29:02.491 --> 00:29:03.909
This is what I need to do"?

504
00:29:03.951 --> 00:29:07.663
Or do you think
it's a gradual escalation?

505
00:29:07.704 --> 00:29:09.957
You know, it's gradual.

506
00:29:09.998 --> 00:29:11.917
It's like a... a skier

507
00:29:11.959 --> 00:29:15.462
who has been dreaming about
skiing their whole life.

508
00:29:15.504 --> 00:29:16.797
They read the magazines.

509
00:29:16.838 --> 00:29:18.257
They watch the movies
about skiing.

510
00:29:18.298 --> 00:29:19.925
They think about it
all the time.

511
00:29:19.967 --> 00:29:23.720
And one day, they just say,
"I got to try that."

512
00:29:23.762 --> 00:29:26.348
Right, and some people will
start on the very steep hill,

513
00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:27.825
and some will start
on the bunny slope.

514
00:29:27.849 --> 00:29:29.268
Some people take lessons.

515
00:29:33.522 --> 00:29:36.441
What's your thumbnail sketch
of the guy?

516
00:29:41.321 --> 00:29:43.865
Well, I wouldn't go so far
as to say how old he is

517
00:29:43.907 --> 00:29:46.994
or anything like that, but...

518
00:29:47.035 --> 00:29:50.539
He's either unemployed
or works part time.

519
00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:56.128
Based on the frequency
of his killing,

520
00:29:56.169 --> 00:29:58.088
the fact that his victims

521
00:29:58.130 --> 00:30:02.301
were taken every single
night of the week...

522
00:30:06.096 --> 00:30:07.615
Indicates that
he doesn't really have

523
00:30:07.639 --> 00:30:10.183
much of a schedule to adhere to.

524
00:30:10.225 --> 00:30:11.768
Well, he's not married.

525
00:30:11.810 --> 00:30:13.410
Probably doesn't have
a steady girlfriend

526
00:30:13.437 --> 00:30:16.356
or anything that puts
regular demands on his time.

527
00:30:19.943 --> 00:30:22.195
That's some solid profiling,

528
00:30:22.237 --> 00:30:26.366
and you did that just with
some newspaper clippings.

529
00:30:26.408 --> 00:30:28.285
Will you turn the tape off?

530
00:30:36.501 --> 00:30:38.378
You know they think I'm crazy.

531
00:30:40.339 --> 00:30:42.215
I'm tired of people
saying I'm crazy.

532
00:30:42.257 --> 00:30:43.800
I'm tired of reading
psychiatrists

533
00:30:43.842 --> 00:30:46.094
and some of your
FBI prima Donnas say

534
00:30:46.136 --> 00:30:48.555
that you have to have
some sort of complex

535
00:30:48.597 --> 00:30:51.975
in order to kill people.

536
00:30:52.017 --> 00:30:54.311
Normal people kill people.

537
00:31:02.903 --> 00:31:04.738
Say...

538
00:31:04.780 --> 00:31:09.326
What's the worst thing that
you remember about your father?

539
00:31:09.368 --> 00:31:10.577
What do you mean?

540
00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:12.746
Well, you told me you hated him.

541
00:31:12.788 --> 00:31:14.664
What's the worst thing
you remember?

542
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.885
Our house had a basement.

543
00:31:26.927 --> 00:31:30.222
It was the only place to play
when my dad got home from work.

544
00:31:30.263 --> 00:31:33.809
He like quiet
while he watched the shows.

545
00:31:33.850 --> 00:31:37.979
One summer,
a rat moved into the basement.

546
00:31:38.021 --> 00:31:40.690
I could hear it constantly.

547
00:31:40.732 --> 00:31:42.359
Always chewing.

548
00:31:42.401 --> 00:31:45.737
Always scratching.

549
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:47.823
It attacked me once.

550
00:31:47.864 --> 00:31:49.699
Darn thing bit me.

551
00:31:49.741 --> 00:31:51.993
I ran upstairs crying,

552
00:31:52.035 --> 00:31:55.205
my dad, he didn't like me
interrupting his shows,

553
00:31:55.247 --> 00:31:58.708
so he... he got up
and grabbed a baseball bat.

554
00:31:58.750 --> 00:31:59.960
He hit you?

555
00:32:01.962 --> 00:32:03.964
No, he went down the stairs.

556
00:32:04.005 --> 00:32:06.675
I could hear him cursing
through the floor,

557
00:32:06.716 --> 00:32:11.263
and he battered the basement.

558
00:32:11.304 --> 00:32:13.765
A few minutes later,
he came upstairs,

559
00:32:13.807 --> 00:32:16.059
bat covered in blood,
lean it against this chair,

560
00:32:16.101 --> 00:32:18.061
went back to his beer.

561
00:32:18.103 --> 00:32:20.689
Told me to go downstairs
to clean it.

562
00:32:20.730 --> 00:32:24.109
I went down there and...

563
00:32:24.151 --> 00:32:28.321
The worst thing wasn't
the blood or that smashed rat.

564
00:32:31.783 --> 00:32:35.120
It was the silence.

565
00:32:35.162 --> 00:32:37.372
I-I couldn't
hear the rat anymore.

566
00:32:37.414 --> 00:32:41.126
I couldn't hear the scratching
or the chewing.

567
00:32:41.168 --> 00:32:44.880
Any time I went down there
after that, it was quiet.

568
00:32:44.921 --> 00:32:47.632
I-I stopped going down there
after that.

569
00:32:51.678 --> 00:32:53.555
You missed the rat.

570
00:32:56.057 --> 00:32:57.684
Yeah, I guess.

571
00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:03.398
Do you think
you could kill somebody?

572
00:33:06.568 --> 00:33:09.237
I think you could.

573
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.740
Well, I'm an FBI agent.

574
00:33:11.781 --> 00:33:13.867
I carry a gun, got a badge.

575
00:33:13.909 --> 00:33:15.785
That's not what I'm saying.

576
00:33:22.834 --> 00:33:25.253
Every morning, I say a prayer.

577
00:33:25.295 --> 00:33:27.881
I put on my gun and my badge,

578
00:33:27.923 --> 00:33:30.383
and I ask god
for the strength and wisdom

579
00:33:30.425 --> 00:33:32.219
to know when to pull the trigger

580
00:33:32.260 --> 00:33:34.804
and not one second sooner
and not one second later.

581
00:33:34.846 --> 00:33:36.932
Thafsnotwhatrnlasmng, enhen

582
00:33:41.353 --> 00:33:43.605
could you kill somebody?

583
00:33:51.821 --> 00:33:54.491
Yeah, I could.

584
00:33:54.533 --> 00:33:58.453
And I could get away with it to.

585
00:33:58.495 --> 00:34:00.956
I'm at least as strong as you.

586
00:34:00.997 --> 00:34:04.084
Probably like sex
as much as you do.

587
00:34:04.125 --> 00:34:06.628
I know how to dispose of a body,

588
00:34:06.670 --> 00:34:08.505
how not to be noticed,

589
00:34:08.547 --> 00:34:11.925
how to get in and out
and leave a scene looking

590
00:34:11.967 --> 00:34:15.095
like it belongs to a series
of other murderers.

591
00:34:19.766 --> 00:34:21.810
But that's not who I am.

592
00:34:21.851 --> 00:34:23.937
I wouldn't do that.

593
00:34:25.522 --> 00:34:29.442
But you could do it.

594
00:34:29.484 --> 00:34:31.945
Yeah. Yeah, I could.

595
00:34:31.987 --> 00:34:34.573
Are you crazy?

596
00:34:34.614 --> 00:34:37.701
I don't think so.

597
00:34:37.742 --> 00:34:40.412
Well, neither am I.

598
00:34:40.453 --> 00:34:42.163
You understand that?

599
00:34:42.205 --> 00:34:45.208
I understood that the first
moment I walked in here.

600
00:34:45.250 --> 00:34:46.876
You're already better
at your job

601
00:34:46.918 --> 00:34:49.170
than most of the guys
you work with.

602
00:34:51.506 --> 00:34:53.758
They all think I'm looney tunes.

603
00:35:36.176 --> 00:35:38.011
Depue: I hear
he's sending you letters

604
00:35:38.053 --> 00:35:39.679
pretty regularly.

605
00:35:39.721 --> 00:35:41.765
He likes to talk,
likes to be heard.

606
00:35:41.806 --> 00:35:45.101
Just how close are
you two getting?

607
00:35:45.143 --> 00:35:46.978
Hagmaier: What is that
supposed to mean?

608
00:35:47.020 --> 00:35:50.106
Depue: I mean, I hear rumors.

609
00:35:50.148 --> 00:35:51.983
Watch yourself.

610
00:35:52.025 --> 00:35:54.069
When you get too close
to a guy like this,

611
00:35:54.110 --> 00:35:56.780
you can lose your way.

612
00:35:56.821 --> 00:35:59.699
Hagmaier: Okay. Okay.

613
00:35:59.741 --> 00:36:02.702
So then the teacher says,
"it's imagination time.

614
00:36:02.744 --> 00:36:05.622
Today, we're gonna pretend
to be like animals."

615
00:36:05.664 --> 00:36:09.209
And so she goes, "little susie,
what is a lion like?"

616
00:36:09.250 --> 00:36:11.920
And little susie rears up
and slashes a paw forward

617
00:36:11.961 --> 00:36:13.380
and goes rawr!

618
00:36:13.421 --> 00:36:15.048
She's like,
"that's great, little susie."

619
00:36:15.090 --> 00:36:17.759
So then she's like,
"Billy, what is a Turkey like?"

620
00:36:17.801 --> 00:36:19.844
And he flaps his wings
all around the room.

621
00:36:19.886 --> 00:36:21.726
Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!
Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!

622
00:36:21.763 --> 00:36:25.266
And then she gets to Brian,
and she says, "Brian,

623
00:36:25.308 --> 00:36:26.726
what is an elephant like?"

624
00:36:26.768 --> 00:36:28.812
And Brian stops.

625
00:36:28.853 --> 00:36:30.480
He thinks about it for a second,

626
00:36:30.522 --> 00:36:32.899
and he stands up,

627
00:36:32.941 --> 00:36:36.027
and he drops his britches
and drawers right then and there

628
00:36:36.069 --> 00:36:38.530
and starts crab walking
around the room,

629
00:36:38.571 --> 00:36:40.615
going, "brr, I'm an elephant!

630
00:36:40.657 --> 00:36:45.829
Brr!"

631
00:36:45.870 --> 00:36:48.123
- Wait, how old was he?
- 4.

632
00:36:48.164 --> 00:36:49.600
Did you get the call,
or did your wife?

633
00:36:49.624 --> 00:36:51.668
It was her. She was not happy.

634
00:36:51.710 --> 00:36:53.545
Jesus, your son
sounds like a hoot.

635
00:36:53.586 --> 00:36:55.422
Hagmaier: Oh, he's a good kid.

636
00:36:55.463 --> 00:36:56.756
He's got to be, what,

637
00:36:56.798 --> 00:36:58.800
six months or so
older than Rosa.

638
00:36:58.842 --> 00:37:02.137
- How old's your boy now?
- 5.

639
00:37:02.178 --> 00:37:04.264
That sounds about right.

640
00:37:09.811 --> 00:37:12.063
What do you imagine
they're doing right now?

641
00:37:12.105 --> 00:37:15.400
You know,
while their daddies talk murder.

642
00:37:15.442 --> 00:37:18.111
I haven't seen her.

643
00:37:18.153 --> 00:37:19.821
I don't, uh...

644
00:37:22.157 --> 00:37:25.785
I don't know what she does.

645
00:37:25.827 --> 00:37:28.913
I like to imagine that
she's got a nice Dollhouse,

646
00:37:28.955 --> 00:37:32.250
but she goes out
riding her bike.

647
00:37:32.292 --> 00:37:36.963
But then I also hope
that she's careful, you know?

648
00:37:39.674 --> 00:37:41.509
A lot of dangerous men
in the world.

649
00:37:41.551 --> 00:37:44.220
Too many.

650
00:37:44.262 --> 00:37:45.930
Do you have a picture?

651
00:37:55.315 --> 00:37:56.608
She's beautiful.

652
00:37:56.649 --> 00:37:58.485
She takes after her mother,

653
00:37:58.526 --> 00:38:00.361
have you seen her mother
recently?

654
00:38:00.403 --> 00:38:03.948
Not in a few months.

655
00:38:06.993 --> 00:38:10.079
I miss the hell out of them.

656
00:38:10.121 --> 00:38:13.208
- Rosa's getting to that age.
- Hagmaier: That age?

657
00:38:13.249 --> 00:38:17.796
When she understands
what people say about me.

658
00:38:17.837 --> 00:38:20.089
Yeah, well, how do you even
explain that to a child?

659
00:38:20.131 --> 00:38:22.342
Bundy: How do you explain that
to an adult?

660
00:38:22.383 --> 00:38:24.552
Full grown adults walk around
that don't understand

661
00:38:24.594 --> 00:38:26.012
that they shouldn't believe

662
00:38:26.054 --> 00:38:28.515
everything that they hear
in the press.

663
00:38:28.556 --> 00:38:30.850
How can you expect
a 4 year old to?

664
00:38:33.895 --> 00:38:36.356
Does your son know what you do?

665
00:38:36.397 --> 00:38:39.108
He knows his daddy
protects people.

666
00:38:41.569 --> 00:38:43.780
Well...

667
00:38:43.822 --> 00:38:45.698
Rose's daddy...

668
00:38:47.784 --> 00:38:49.452
Well, he doesn't.

669
00:38:56.251 --> 00:38:58.503
Did you get that letter I sent.

670
00:38:58.545 --> 00:38:59.754
Hagmaier: The latest one?

671
00:38:59.796 --> 00:39:02.048
Is that the one about the girl

672
00:39:02.090 --> 00:39:04.425
- who sends you the pictures?
- Yeah.

673
00:39:04.467 --> 00:39:06.928
I mean, a lot of women
send photographs.

674
00:39:06.970 --> 00:39:08.221
Hagmaier: Well, not like these.

675
00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:11.641
I don't know where you would go

676
00:39:11.683 --> 00:39:13.935
to get something
like these developed.

677
00:39:13.977 --> 00:39:16.646
The wall of your cell must
be quite a sight to see.

678
00:39:16.688 --> 00:39:18.064
Oh, I don't keep them.

679
00:39:18.106 --> 00:39:22.443
No, I trade them
to other inmates for favors,

680
00:39:22.485 --> 00:39:24.946
- commissary and the like.
- You don't like them?

681
00:39:24.988 --> 00:39:27.907
I always know there will be more
in the next day's mail.

682
00:39:38.459 --> 00:39:40.336
Turn the tape off.

683
00:39:47.468 --> 00:39:49.304
I don't think I can
do this anymore.

684
00:39:49.345 --> 00:39:52.432
Why not?

685
00:39:52.473 --> 00:39:55.393
|... [ sighs 1

686
00:39:55.435 --> 00:39:57.687
you're getting inside my head,

687
00:39:57.729 --> 00:39:59.522
I don't like people
being inside my head.

688
00:39:59.564 --> 00:40:01.542
- I'm not inside your head.
- You're so full of it.

689
00:40:01.566 --> 00:40:03.067
- No...
- I bet you think you know

690
00:40:03.109 --> 00:40:05.403
what I would do
if I broke out of this place.

691
00:40:05.445 --> 00:40:06.881
- Hagmaier: I don't.
- Yeah, but you do.

692
00:40:06.905 --> 00:40:08.323
I bet you think you do.

693
00:40:08.364 --> 00:40:10.074
Tell me.

694
00:40:10.116 --> 00:40:11.343
Tell me what
you think I would do

695
00:40:11.367 --> 00:40:13.244
if I broke out of this place.

696
00:40:22.003 --> 00:40:24.297
Well, the first thing
you would do is steal a car.

697
00:40:26.633 --> 00:40:30.845
Then you'd probably head up
to the state of Washington.

698
00:40:30.887 --> 00:40:33.765
You'd probably remove
a couple of people

699
00:40:33.806 --> 00:40:37.101
- that are under your skin now.
- Yeah. Who?

700
00:40:37.143 --> 00:40:40.647
Maybe a... an investigator

701
00:40:40.688 --> 00:40:42.315
that's pissing you off.

702
00:40:42.357 --> 00:40:44.817
Not returning the letters.

703
00:40:44.859 --> 00:40:46.694
Maybe a journalist

704
00:40:46.736 --> 00:40:48.780
who's been...

705
00:40:48.821 --> 00:40:51.282
Unkind.

706
00:40:51.324 --> 00:40:54.243
Then there's somebody else.
I don't know.

707
00:40:57.246 --> 00:40:59.958
A guy you think is
having sex with your wife.

708
00:41:01.876 --> 00:41:03.920
Then you'd steal another car,

709
00:41:03.962 --> 00:41:05.380
slip over the border
into Canada,

710
00:41:05.421 --> 00:41:07.298
and never, ever come out.

711
00:41:09.384 --> 00:41:11.010
We'd never hear from you
ever again.

712
00:41:11.052 --> 00:41:12.679
Fuck you!

713
00:41:35.743 --> 00:41:40.707
You can turn the tape back on.

714
00:41:40.748 --> 00:41:42.667
Hagmaier: A-are you sure?

715
00:41:42.709 --> 00:41:45.420
I wouldn't know what else
to do with my time.

716
00:41:48.214 --> 00:41:50.049
You could write another book.

717
00:41:50.091 --> 00:41:51.968
Oh, never again.

718
00:41:52.010 --> 00:41:53.219
That didn't work out.

719
00:41:53.261 --> 00:41:54.679
It was a bestseller

720
00:41:54.721 --> 00:41:56.347
Bundy:
We did correctly anticipate

721
00:41:56.389 --> 00:42:00.309
the baser desires
of the book-buying public.

722
00:42:00.351 --> 00:42:03.271
They do want to be titillated.

723
00:42:03.312 --> 00:42:05.165
There were people who read that
for genuine reasons,

724
00:42:05.189 --> 00:42:07.859
- but they were misled.
- How so?

725
00:42:07.900 --> 00:42:10.737
Well, it's a funny thing
when money gets involved,

726
00:42:10.778 --> 00:42:14.449
and people do things for money
that they ordinarily wouldn't.

727
00:42:14.490 --> 00:42:16.701
And those guys, they wanted me
to talk about things

728
00:42:16.743 --> 00:42:18.077
that I was suspected of,

729
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:19.620
and I was like,
"I can't do that.

730
00:42:19.662 --> 00:42:22.540
All I can do is speculate."

731
00:42:22.582 --> 00:42:24.292
Anybody who read those books

732
00:42:24.333 --> 00:42:26.627
knows nothing about me
or what actually happened.

733
00:42:26.669 --> 00:42:28.755
Well, there are other people
who wrote books

734
00:42:28.796 --> 00:42:31.382
who knew you before
any alleged criminal activity,

735
00:42:31.424 --> 00:42:32.842
and they felt they knew you.

736
00:42:32.884 --> 00:42:35.762
- You mean Ann rule?
- Do you remember her?

737
00:42:35.803 --> 00:42:37.472
Vividly.

738
00:42:37.513 --> 00:42:41.017
In her own way,
she's a very nice person.

739
00:42:41.059 --> 00:42:43.936
All we did was share shifts
at call-in crisis center.

740
00:42:43.978 --> 00:42:45.605
We never saw each other
socially.

741
00:42:45.646 --> 00:42:47.023
My former fiancee,

742
00:42:47.065 --> 00:42:48.983
girlfriend, friend,
what have you, Liz,

743
00:42:49.025 --> 00:42:50.443
she wrote a book about me.

744
00:42:50.485 --> 00:42:52.278
She had a far, far
better opportunity

745
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:53.529
to get to know me.

746
00:42:53.571 --> 00:42:55.448
Better than Diane Edwards?

747
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.245
Diane is a lovely person.

748
00:43:01.287 --> 00:43:03.748
But we were only just friends.

749
00:43:03.790 --> 00:43:05.833
We never lived together.

750
00:43:05.875 --> 00:43:09.796
Now, Liz, she saw me day in
and day out for years.

751
00:43:09.837 --> 00:43:11.047
Well, Diane is referred to

752
00:43:11.089 --> 00:43:12.715
as someone you cared
very deeply for.

753
00:43:12.757 --> 00:43:14.550
There are a lot
of theories about me

754
00:43:14.592 --> 00:43:18.638
that are just
a bunch of bull crap.

755
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.439
Well, people think that
Diana and I broke up,

756
00:43:20.473 --> 00:43:23.309
and somehow this was the...

757
00:43:23.351 --> 00:43:27.480
Traumatic episode in my life
that made me go over the edge.

758
00:43:27.522 --> 00:43:29.774
But...

759
00:43:29.816 --> 00:43:31.651
It's simply not true.

760
00:43:31.692 --> 00:43:33.986
It's completely untrue.

761
00:43:36.197 --> 00:43:38.366
I know in my heart

762
00:43:38.407 --> 00:43:41.119
that that episode
was not important.

763
00:43:43.204 --> 00:43:46.707
Now you have Liz, friends,
family, relatives...

764
00:43:46.749 --> 00:43:48.918
They're all reexamining
our relationships.

765
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.046
You know, they're...

766
00:43:52.088 --> 00:43:53.732
"Did I see it coming?
Could I have stopped it?"

767
00:43:53.756 --> 00:43:55.049
You know how it is.

768
00:43:55.091 --> 00:43:56.610
I saw it in him
when he was 5 years old.

769
00:43:56.634 --> 00:43:58.302
People, they don't
want to feel fooled.

770
00:43:58.344 --> 00:44:00.930
You know, there's,
"oh, I knew he had it in him

771
00:44:00.972 --> 00:44:02.616
when he wouldn't open the door
for me one time,"

772
00:44:02.640 --> 00:44:04.892
- that sort of thing.
- Yeah, you kicked a cat.

773
00:44:04.934 --> 00:44:06.978
Yeah, I kicked a cat,
and one time,

774
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:09.480
ijumped up out from behind
the bushes to scare Ann.

775
00:44:09.522 --> 00:44:10.731
Well, who hasn't done that?

776
00:44:10.773 --> 00:44:13.025
And one time, it was that I...

777
00:44:13.067 --> 00:44:14.610
I-I walked along
the railroad tracks

778
00:44:14.652 --> 00:44:16.296
to see how long I could go
without falling off.

779
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:17.738
I mean, come on.

780
00:44:17.780 --> 00:44:19.657
It's ridiculous.
Give me a break.

781
00:44:19.699 --> 00:44:23.619
Jumping out from the bushes
was never my thing anyway.

782
00:44:23.661 --> 00:44:27.582
There are a lot of myths
and misunderstandings about me.

783
00:44:27.623 --> 00:44:29.876
Like you're a...
A master of disguise.

784
00:44:29.917 --> 00:44:32.795
Oh, rny(Bod. Yes, yes.

785
00:44:32.837 --> 00:44:35.506
Just half a dozen photographs
of my many faces.

786
00:44:35.548 --> 00:44:37.717
But they were all taken
within a 10-year period.

787
00:44:37.758 --> 00:44:40.136
They had
my graduation photo from '65

788
00:44:40.178 --> 00:44:42.138
and my arrest photo from '75.

789
00:44:42.180 --> 00:44:46.267
If you grow a beard, say,
just innocently grow a beard

790
00:44:46.309 --> 00:44:49.228
or you come in...

791
00:44:49.270 --> 00:44:51.814
In a different mood,
wearing a different expression,

792
00:44:51.856 --> 00:44:54.567
people are gonna think you look
like a different person.

793
00:44:56.485 --> 00:44:59.155
But this is the myth
that they wanted to tell,

794
00:44:59.197 --> 00:45:01.240
the master of disguise.

795
00:45:01.282 --> 00:45:02.658
But when you were caught,

796
00:45:02.700 --> 00:45:04.952
you had to tell the police
who you were,

797
00:45:04.994 --> 00:45:07.038
even though you were
on the FBI's top-10 list.

798
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.790
I told them.
They didn't believe me.

799
00:45:12.376 --> 00:45:14.128
When you were a fugitive,
did that list have

800
00:45:14.170 --> 00:45:15.546
any bearing
on the way he behaved,

801
00:45:15.588 --> 00:45:18.257
myrnannerofsurwval yeah, yeah.

802
00:45:18.299 --> 00:45:20.801
But to be honest...
And I don't mean

803
00:45:20.843 --> 00:45:22.637
to insult your intelligence
or anything...

804
00:45:22.678 --> 00:45:25.139
But I don't think
you all catch anybody.

805
00:45:25.181 --> 00:45:26.641
Not really.

806
00:45:26.682 --> 00:45:30.728
I mean, there are exceptions,
certainly, but...

807
00:45:30.770 --> 00:45:34.106
I think most guys get
themselves caught.

808
00:45:34.148 --> 00:45:36.609
Well, do you think sometimes

809
00:45:36.651 --> 00:45:38.277
they want to get caught?

810
00:45:38.319 --> 00:45:40.154
I never wanted to be caught.

811
00:45:40.196 --> 00:45:41.739
I know that's a top-tier theory,

812
00:45:41.781 --> 00:45:44.492
but it's more
pop psychology crap.

813
00:45:44.533 --> 00:45:47.370
No, the truth is, is that
nobody looks at those things.

814
00:45:47.411 --> 00:45:49.872
Nobody keeps their eyes
peeled all daylong,

815
00:45:49.914 --> 00:45:52.875
looking for somebody that they
saw on a "most wanted" picture.

816
00:45:52.917 --> 00:45:55.086
Even cops, they walk around.

817
00:45:55.127 --> 00:45:57.606
They don't believe that they're
ever gonna run into that person.

818
00:45:57.630 --> 00:45:59.465
So all you have to do is

819
00:45:59.507 --> 00:46:02.009
go about your day,
don't act weird,

820
00:46:02.051 --> 00:46:05.805
and everyone thinks
you're just a regular guy.

821
00:46:05.846 --> 00:46:07.390
I imagine that's
how serial killers

822
00:46:07.431 --> 00:46:09.517
get their victims, as well.

823
00:46:11.936 --> 00:46:14.021
I imagine it is, too.

824
00:46:17.525 --> 00:46:19.694
You know,
we should write a book.

825
00:46:19.735 --> 00:46:21.779
You just said...

826
00:46:21.821 --> 00:46:23.447
No, no, no, not about me.

827
00:46:23.489 --> 00:46:26.158
About profiling.

828
00:46:26.200 --> 00:46:28.494
We could call it
"the bill and Ted show,"

829
00:46:28.536 --> 00:46:30.913
I'm not writing a book.
Not with you.

830
00:46:30.955 --> 00:46:32.790
- Not with anybody.
- Why not?

831
00:46:32.832 --> 00:46:35.102
Well, then I'd just be like all
the other prima Donnas, right?

832
00:46:35.126 --> 00:46:36.979
Yeah, but think about what
it could do for your career.

833
00:46:37.003 --> 00:46:38.671
My career's fine.

834
00:46:42.550 --> 00:46:46.470
You know,
if things were different,

835
00:46:46.512 --> 00:46:49.598
I could be sitting
in that chair.

836
00:46:49.640 --> 00:46:50.933
I could do what you do.

837
00:46:50.975 --> 00:46:52.893
I have no doubt about that.

838
00:46:52.935 --> 00:46:55.187
And if things were different,

839
00:46:55.229 --> 00:46:56.981
you could be out there...

840
00:46:57.023 --> 00:46:59.900
Trolling the streets,

841
00:46:59.942 --> 00:47:01.819
looking for the right girl.

842
00:47:04.488 --> 00:47:07.158
And getting to know her habits,

843
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.911
how she does her hair.

844
00:47:10.953 --> 00:47:14.874
Which shoulder
she slings her purse over.

845
00:47:14.915 --> 00:47:18.836
Does she bite her nails?

846
00:47:18.878 --> 00:47:20.921
You could be that guy.

847
00:47:24.091 --> 00:47:26.177
If things were different.

848
00:47:32.266 --> 00:47:34.518
If things were different.

849
00:48:31.742 --> 00:48:33.178
Jennings:
The U.S. supreme court today

850
00:48:33.202 --> 00:48:35.913
said no to mass murder
Theodore Bundy.

851
00:48:35.955 --> 00:48:37.998
The court refused to set aside
Bundy's conviction

852
00:48:38.040 --> 00:48:39.792
and his death sentence
for the murder

853
00:48:39.834 --> 00:48:43.087
of a 12-year-old Florida girl
more than a decade ago.

854
00:48:46.257 --> 00:48:48.509
Boss man wants to see you.

855
00:48:52.930 --> 00:48:55.015
Come on in. Close the door.

856
00:48:58.853 --> 00:49:00.688
Hagmaier: What is it?

857
00:49:00.729 --> 00:49:02.898
Governor Martinez signed
a death warrant.

858
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:04.483
How long does he have?

859
00:49:04.525 --> 00:49:07.403
- 60 days?
- Depue: 7 days.

860
00:49:07.445 --> 00:49:10.531
Seven days.

861
00:49:10.573 --> 00:49:12.158
Can he do that?

862
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.494
Ifsirregularas heh,
butyeah, “%legal

863
00:49:15.536 --> 00:49:18.414
he's ready to talk.

864
00:49:18.456 --> 00:49:20.708
- He wants the deal?
- Depue: Yes.

865
00:49:20.749 --> 00:49:22.185
Said he's ready
to confess to everything,

866
00:49:22.209 --> 00:49:24.879
but he'll only talk
to one person.

867
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.215
Well, it's about time.

868
00:49:28.257 --> 00:49:31.135
Depue: You hold his hand,
you tell him who to talk to,

869
00:49:31.177 --> 00:49:32.720
go in the room, be in there,

870
00:49:32.761 --> 00:49:35.347
make sure he talks
instead of playing his games.

871
00:49:35.389 --> 00:49:39.101
We've got seven days to close
god knows how many cases

872
00:49:39.143 --> 00:49:42.021
and put these girls
and their families to rest.

873
00:49:42.062 --> 00:49:43.689
Yeah, yeah.

874
00:49:43.731 --> 00:49:46.609
That I can do.

875
00:49:48.527 --> 00:49:51.030
Bush: We meet
on democracy's front porch,

876
00:49:51.071 --> 00:49:54.575
a good place to talk
as neighbors and as friends.

877
00:49:54.617 --> 00:49:58.287
For this is a day when
our nation is made whole,

878
00:49:58.329 --> 00:50:01.415
when our differences,
for a moment, are suspended.

879
00:50:01.457 --> 00:50:06.629
And my first act as president
is a prayer.

880
00:50:06.670 --> 00:50:08.506
I ask you to bow your heads:

881
00:50:08.547 --> 00:50:11.425
Heavenly father,
we bow our heads

882
00:50:11.467 --> 00:50:13.928
and thank you for your love.

883
00:50:13.969 --> 00:50:17.681
Accept our thanks for the peace
that yields this day

884
00:50:17.723 --> 00:50:22.144
and the shared faith that
makes its continuance likely.

885
00:50:22.186 --> 00:50:24.396
Make us strong to do your work,

886
00:50:24.438 --> 00:50:27.149
willing to heed
and hear your will...

887
00:50:36.784 --> 00:50:38.410
Thank you.

888
00:50:38.452 --> 00:50:42.164
Well, look, we ran away
from the FBI to join the circus.

889
00:50:42.206 --> 00:50:43.499
It's a madhouse here.

890
00:50:43.541 --> 00:50:45.125
We got phones ringing
off the hook.

891
00:50:45.167 --> 00:50:47.103
I got inspectors coming
from all over the country,

892
00:50:47.127 --> 00:50:49.171
got media camping out
across the street.

893
00:50:49.213 --> 00:50:51.257
Now you're showing up
to join team Bundy.

894
00:50:51.298 --> 00:50:52.716
No, I'm just here to coordinate.

895
00:50:52.758 --> 00:50:54.593
Yeah, Carolyn's not
gonna see it that way.

896
00:50:54.635 --> 00:50:57.054
- Who?
- Oh, she's the ringmaster

897
00:50:57.096 --> 00:50:58.514
of barnum, Bailey, and Bundy.

898
00:50:58.556 --> 00:51:00.599
His civil attorney.

899
00:51:00.641 --> 00:51:02.101
What does a civil attorney
have to do

900
00:51:02.142 --> 00:51:04.395
- with coordinating interviews?
- I don't know.

901
00:51:04.436 --> 00:51:06.272
You figure that out,
let me know.

902
00:51:06.313 --> 00:51:09.233
Oh, and also find out why
a civil attorney has to visit

903
00:51:09.275 --> 00:51:11.819
their client 80 times
in three years.

904
00:51:20.744 --> 00:51:22.430
Lieberman: Okay.
We need all signed petitions.

905
00:51:22.454 --> 00:51:23.890
All signed letters.
That Tanner letter.

906
00:51:23.914 --> 00:51:26.166
- Let's find it.
- Hello.

907
00:51:26.208 --> 00:51:28.252
You be special agent hagmaier.

908
00:51:28.294 --> 00:51:29.503
Hagmaier: Mm-hmm. Bill.

909
00:51:29.545 --> 00:51:31.213
Mr. Bundy says good things.

910
00:51:31.255 --> 00:51:33.215
Not exactly sure
how to take that.

911
00:51:33.257 --> 00:51:35.926
- As a compliment.
- Man: Excuse me.

912
00:51:35.968 --> 00:51:37.678
We're still putting together
the schedule.

913
00:51:37.720 --> 00:51:39.990
It was my understanding that
I was in charge of the schedule.

914
00:51:40.014 --> 00:51:41.640
Then you were misinformed.

915
00:51:41.682 --> 00:51:43.851
The governor's not gonna stand
for any more games.

916
00:51:43.892 --> 00:51:45.662
Lieberman: The governor
is the one playing games.

917
00:51:45.686 --> 00:51:48.147
He could've signed the death
warrant for 60 days, hell, 30.

918
00:51:48.188 --> 00:51:49.565
He signed it for 7.

919
00:51:49.607 --> 00:51:51.650
He's thinking more
about his own reelection

920
00:51:51.692 --> 00:51:53.319
than he is about
doing what's right,

921
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.213
and if he wants to play
politics, then so can we.

922
00:51:55.237 --> 00:51:56.488
This isn't the time to take

923
00:51:56.530 --> 00:51:58.073
a stand
against the death penalty.

924
00:51:58.115 --> 00:51:59.718
This is exactly the time
to take a stand against it.

925
00:51:59.742 --> 00:52:01.094
There are people desperate
to find out

926
00:52:01.118 --> 00:52:02.536
what happened
to their daughters.

927
00:52:02.578 --> 00:52:05.456
- And we need to...
- Bundy: Bill.

928
00:52:05.497 --> 00:52:07.958
It's good to see you again.

929
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.252
I wish it were under
different circumstances.

930
00:52:10.294 --> 00:52:12.338
Bundy: You and me both.

931
00:52:12.379 --> 00:52:14.441
Lieberman: Mr. Bundy, I was just
telling Mr. Hagmaier that...

932
00:52:14.465 --> 00:52:17.384
He will be in charge
of conducting interviews.

933
00:52:19.678 --> 00:52:23.182
I don't think that's wise.

934
00:52:23.223 --> 00:52:25.267
Well, bill knows most
of the guys here.

935
00:52:25.309 --> 00:52:27.561
The ones he doesn't
know him by reputation.

936
00:52:27.603 --> 00:52:30.689
There's no one here
they'll trust more than him.

937
00:52:30.731 --> 00:52:31.940
Okay. If that's what you want.

938
00:52:31.982 --> 00:52:34.234
- It is.
- Okay.

939
00:52:34.276 --> 00:52:35.920
Mr. Hagmaier, you can
be excused, and we'll...

940
00:52:35.944 --> 00:52:38.822
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What are you doing?

941
00:52:38.864 --> 00:52:40.491
We still need to brief
the investigators.

942
00:52:40.532 --> 00:52:42.451
Bundy: Not without bill here.

943
00:52:42.493 --> 00:52:45.162
I would like to remind you
that he's law enforcement.

944
00:52:45.204 --> 00:52:46.830
Bundy: Right.

945
00:52:46.872 --> 00:52:49.124
Right. Look. Lieberman: Yeah.

946
00:52:50.834 --> 00:52:53.128
I need a moment with bill.

947
00:52:55.756 --> 00:52:57.192
I am not gonna leave you
alone with law enfor...

948
00:52:57.216 --> 00:52:59.259
Carolyn.

949
00:52:59.301 --> 00:53:01.762
- Mm-hmm.
- Bundy: I told you.

950
00:53:01.804 --> 00:53:04.890
This is different.

951
00:53:04.932 --> 00:53:06.392
This is bill.

952
00:53:08.268 --> 00:53:10.562
He's my best friend.

953
00:53:13.899 --> 00:53:15.567
Okay.

954
00:53:18.278 --> 00:53:21.782
You know, we're gonna clear out
the room and let them...

955
00:53:21.824 --> 00:53:23.701
Let them have it.

956
00:53:35.879 --> 00:53:38.340
Bundy: Bill, we both knew
this day would come.

957
00:53:38.382 --> 00:53:42.136
I'm absolutely certain that you
knew more about my activities

958
00:53:42.177 --> 00:53:44.847
and thought processes
than I was comfortable with,

959
00:53:44.888 --> 00:53:47.099
more than you ever let on.

960
00:53:47.141 --> 00:53:49.393
How long have you known?

961
00:53:49.435 --> 00:53:51.979
Since the moment
you walked in here.

962
00:53:52.020 --> 00:53:54.064
Why didn't you
ever say anything?

963
00:53:54.106 --> 00:53:55.733
I didn't have to.

964
00:53:55.774 --> 00:53:57.609
How long have you known
that I knew.

965
00:53:57.651 --> 00:53:59.003
Since the first moment
you walked in here.

966
00:53:59.027 --> 00:54:00.446
Then why didn't you
say anything?

967
00:54:00.487 --> 00:54:02.322
Same reason.

968
00:54:02.364 --> 00:54:05.451
All this... is it just theater?

969
00:54:05.492 --> 00:54:07.137
Or are you really gonna
go through with it?

970
00:54:07.161 --> 00:54:09.830
- Can't it be both?
- No, it can't.

971
00:54:09.872 --> 00:54:12.499
The Florida supreme court came
back with their ruling tonight,

972
00:54:14.334 --> 00:54:16.396
I mean, I have one more appeal
with the U.S. supreme court,

973
00:54:16.420 --> 00:54:18.881
but they really mean to kill me.

974
00:54:18.922 --> 00:54:20.966
They really want to kill me.

975
00:54:21.008 --> 00:54:22.843
You think this is funny?

976
00:54:22.885 --> 00:54:24.928
You've been sitting here
for eight years.

977
00:54:24.970 --> 00:54:26.614
What do you think
they brought you here for?

978
00:54:26.638 --> 00:54:28.474
It's just now starting
to sink in?

979
00:54:28.515 --> 00:54:31.268
Bu n dy: Y-yeah. I knew it.

980
00:54:31.310 --> 00:54:34.605
I knew I knew it,
but I just now thought about it.

981
00:54:34.646 --> 00:54:36.315
They're going to kill me.

982
00:54:36.356 --> 00:54:37.792
They're going to kill
my mother's son.

983
00:54:37.816 --> 00:54:40.360
Maybe they will.
Maybe they won't.

984
00:54:40.402 --> 00:54:42.863
Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

985
00:54:42.905 --> 00:54:45.157
Let the bastards try, huh?

986
00:54:47.075 --> 00:54:49.953
Look, you've got to do this.
You've got to come clean.

987
00:54:49.995 --> 00:54:52.080
I will. I'm gonna do what
I can in a major way.

988
00:54:52.122 --> 00:54:54.184
I'm gonna give them the truth,
but in a measured manner.

989
00:54:54.208 --> 00:54:56.126
You can't hold
these girls hostage.

990
00:54:56.168 --> 00:54:58.128
Not anymore.
That tactic will backfire.

991
00:54:58.170 --> 00:55:01.173
If anyone senses that you're
stalling on this, you're cooked.

992
00:55:01.215 --> 00:55:02.633
Oh, no, you're right.

993
00:55:02.674 --> 00:55:04.718
It's time to come clean.

994
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:06.804
But we still have a couple
of cards up our sleeve.

995
00:55:06.845 --> 00:55:08.514
- Like what?
- You'll see.

996
00:55:08.555 --> 00:55:10.325
You just focus on making sure
the investigators bring

997
00:55:10.349 --> 00:55:13.435
the right material
and stay on track.

998
00:55:13.477 --> 00:55:15.938
What's the plan?

999
00:55:15.979 --> 00:55:18.232
There are investigators
coming in from Utah,

1000
00:55:18.273 --> 00:55:20.317
Colorado, Florida, Idaho,

1001
00:55:20.359 --> 00:55:21.985
Idaho? Why Idaho?

1002
00:55:22.027 --> 00:55:23.821
I've got a couple surprises
for them.

1003
00:55:23.862 --> 00:55:26.323
I told you, you can't play games
with the governor of Florida.

1004
00:55:26.365 --> 00:55:28.450
You're not in any position
to extend your life

1005
00:55:28.492 --> 00:55:30.536
by giving them some
Henry Lee Lucas kind of stuff.

1006
00:55:30.577 --> 00:55:32.538
- What are you talking about?
- Why Idaho?

1007
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:34.623
Don't worry, Billy.
I got us covered.

1008
00:55:34.665 --> 00:55:37.334
- I dropped two in Idaho.
- "Billy, I got us covered"?

1009
00:55:37.376 --> 00:55:40.045
Why would I be happy that you
killed two girls in Idaho?

1010
00:55:40.087 --> 00:55:42.130
No, you're right. You're right.

1011
00:55:42.172 --> 00:55:44.424
But Florida isn't gonna
do anything for me.

1012
00:55:44.466 --> 00:55:47.970
Colorado, Washington, Oregon,
Utah can't do anything for me.

1013
00:55:48.011 --> 00:55:49.263
But Idaho...

1014
00:55:49.304 --> 00:55:50.722
They're gonna ask for more time.

1015
00:55:50.764 --> 00:55:52.404
Bundy: And they can
petition the governor.

1016
00:55:52.432 --> 00:55:54.272
- Ted, you cannot...
- Bundy: I'm not stalling.

1017
00:55:54.309 --> 00:55:55.726
I'm not playing games.

1018
00:55:55.727 --> 00:55:57.372
I'm coming clean.
And if that means bringing

1019
00:55:57.396 --> 00:55:58.957
other states into the mix,
then so be it.

1020
00:55:58.981 --> 00:56:00.440
- How many?
- Five.

1021
00:56:00.482 --> 00:56:02.109
Not how many states.
How many girls?

1022
00:56:02.150 --> 00:56:04.611
- Am I talking about?
- How many did you kill?

1023
00:56:04.653 --> 00:56:05.571
Thal

1024
00:56:05.612 --> 00:56:08.073
hagmaier: Yes, that.

1025
00:56:08.115 --> 00:56:09.575
Let's say 30.

1026
00:56:09.616 --> 00:56:11.243
Let's say we talk
about the real number.

1027
00:56:11.285 --> 00:56:12.911
30 is a nice round number.

1028
00:56:12.953 --> 00:56:14.580
How many?

1029
00:56:14.621 --> 00:56:16.248
I don't know.

1030
00:56:16.290 --> 00:56:17.958
What do you mean you don't know?

1031
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.336
I didn't keep score,
and it gets confusing.

1032
00:56:21.378 --> 00:56:23.505
I don't understand
what gets so confusing.

1033
00:56:23.547 --> 00:56:25.966
I'm not even sure
all of them are dead.

1034
00:56:26.008 --> 00:56:27.634
Bundy: There are several girls,

1035
00:56:27.676 --> 00:56:30.804
girls that I hit over the head
and put in my car.

1036
00:56:30.846 --> 00:56:32.323
When I would drag them
out to the woods.

1037
00:56:32.347 --> 00:56:35.142
They would wake up,
sometimes in my arms.

1038
00:56:35.183 --> 00:56:37.728
Sometimes when I went back
to my car to get my tools.

1039
00:56:37.769 --> 00:56:39.313
They all took off
into the woods,

1040
00:56:39.354 --> 00:56:41.607
and I couldn't find them.

1041
00:56:41.648 --> 00:56:42.941
I'd go home.

1042
00:56:42.983 --> 00:56:45.861
I'd watch the news,
but not a peep.

1043
00:56:45.903 --> 00:56:47.654
No news.

1044
00:56:47.696 --> 00:56:49.823
So did they run home
and change their name,

1045
00:56:49.865 --> 00:56:51.408
never to tell anyone
what happened,

1046
00:56:51.450 --> 00:56:53.702
afraid that I would
come back and try again?

1047
00:56:53.744 --> 00:56:55.787
Or did they die in those woods?
I don't know.

1048
00:56:55.829 --> 00:56:59.541
So, it could be more than 30?

1049
00:56:59.583 --> 00:57:01.418
Then there are the dry runs.

1050
00:57:01.460 --> 00:57:02.878
Dry runs.

1051
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:04.560
Bundy: There are a lot
of girls I stalked,

1052
00:57:04.588 --> 00:57:07.466
learned everything about,
staked out my spot,

1053
00:57:07.507 --> 00:57:10.177
walked up to their door,
passed them on the street,

1054
00:57:10.218 --> 00:57:11.637
and just walked away.

1055
00:57:11.678 --> 00:57:13.263
Why?

1056
00:57:13.305 --> 00:57:15.682
Bundy: Because every time
I did this, I asked myself,

1057
00:57:15.724 --> 00:57:17.351
am I going to kill this girl?

1058
00:57:17.392 --> 00:57:19.937
Sometimes I said no,
and I never went back for her.

1059
00:57:19.978 --> 00:57:21.605
I didn't understand.

1060
00:57:21.647 --> 00:57:23.499
Because the minute I say no
and couldn't walk away,

1061
00:57:23.523 --> 00:57:26.401
it was the minute I was
on the road to being caught.

1062
00:57:26.443 --> 00:57:29.738
Diane leach.

1063
00:57:29.780 --> 00:57:33.283
I couldn't say no.

1064
00:57:33.325 --> 00:57:35.369
She was a mistake.

1065
00:57:35.410 --> 00:57:37.245
I should never have killed
a 12-year-old girl.

1066
00:57:37.287 --> 00:57:38.705
- She was a mistake?
- Yes.

1067
00:57:38.747 --> 00:57:41.625
- And the others?
- Choices.

1068
00:57:41.667 --> 00:57:44.127
Can't really call those
mistakes, can I?

1069
00:57:44.169 --> 00:57:45.837
So 30.

1070
00:57:48.215 --> 00:57:50.425
I can for sure admit to 30.

1071
00:57:52.594 --> 00:57:55.681
Why am I here, really?

1072
00:57:55.722 --> 00:57:59.643
Bill, we've spent a good deal
of time together.

1073
00:57:59.685 --> 00:58:01.979
Not as much as some
of the others.

1074
00:58:03.772 --> 00:58:05.565
Yes, but you knew all along,

1075
00:58:05.607 --> 00:58:07.567
and you treated me
like a human being.

1076
00:58:07.609 --> 00:58:09.653
You just wanted to understand.

1077
00:58:09.695 --> 00:58:11.738
I still do.

1078
00:58:11.780 --> 00:58:15.075
That's why you're here.

1079
00:58:15.117 --> 00:58:16.994
Each of the investigators
get two hours.

1080
00:58:17.035 --> 00:58:19.496
I have a handful
of other interviews.

1081
00:58:19.538 --> 00:58:21.581
And then
when everything is clear,

1082
00:58:21.623 --> 00:58:23.917
you and I will sit down
and have the conversation

1083
00:58:23.959 --> 00:58:26.420
you've wanted this whole time.

1084
00:58:26.461 --> 00:58:28.922
What are you going to tell me?

1085
00:58:28.964 --> 00:58:31.049
Everything.

1086
00:58:41.101 --> 00:58:43.228
What's this... gizmo?

1087
00:58:43.270 --> 00:58:45.647
This will pick up everything
you're saying

1088
00:58:45.689 --> 00:58:48.859
and everything that we're saying
over here on the other side.

1089
00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:51.194
Bundy: Well, let's just
get it out in the open now.

1090
00:58:51.236 --> 00:58:54.156
Mike, I know you have
some intense feelings about me.

1091
00:58:54.197 --> 00:58:56.241
- No.
- Well, you may or you may not,

1092
00:58:56.283 --> 00:58:57.719
but if you think
I'm bullshitting you,

1093
00:58:57.743 --> 00:58:58.952
you tell me.

1094
00:58:58.994 --> 00:59:00.704
If I thought you
were just gonna...

1095
00:59:00.746 --> 00:59:03.081
Jack it around all day,
I wouldn't be here.

1096
00:59:03.123 --> 00:59:05.167
All right.

1097
00:59:05.208 --> 00:59:06.710
I've been sent here
to talk to you

1098
00:59:06.752 --> 00:59:08.086
about grand junction.

1099
00:59:08.128 --> 00:59:09.921
Where?

1100
00:59:09.963 --> 00:59:12.215
And vale.

1101
00:59:12.257 --> 00:59:15.969
Let's start with
bountiful, Utah.

1102
00:59:16.011 --> 00:59:17.637
I really need a map for that.

1103
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:19.473
Eugene, Oregon.

1104
00:59:19.514 --> 00:59:23.852
And then we'll move on
to west linn and in corvallis.

1105
00:59:23.894 --> 00:59:28.857
So, where exactly, Mr. Bundy,
did you take these girls from?

1106
00:59:28.899 --> 00:59:30.460
- Excuse me?
- Woman: Well, there are a number

1107
00:59:30.484 --> 00:59:33.195
of unsolved disappearances
in the state of Idaho.

1108
00:59:33.236 --> 00:59:35.113
Frankly, sir, we have no idea

1109
00:59:35.155 --> 00:59:36.573
which victims are yours.

1110
00:59:36.615 --> 00:59:38.575
Is there any need
as far as the western slope

1111
00:59:38.617 --> 00:59:39.951
of Colorado is concerned,

1112
00:59:39.993 --> 00:59:43.288
for us to go back before 1975,

1113
00:59:43.330 --> 00:59:46.083
maybe even as far back as '68?

1114
00:59:48.710 --> 00:59:51.129
I didn't get to Colorado
until '75.

1115
00:59:51.171 --> 00:59:52.798
I really need a map for that.

1116
00:59:52.839 --> 00:59:54.883
I mean, didn't your
office tell you.

1117
00:59:54.925 --> 00:59:57.344
Yes, we're trying to get maps
down here as soon as possible.

1118
00:59:57.385 --> 00:59:58.654
The clock is ticking here, so...

1119
00:59:58.678 --> 00:59:59.822
Man: If you want
to describe the area,

1120
00:59:59.846 --> 01:00:01.139
I know it pretty well.

1121
01:00:01.181 --> 01:00:02.599
Bundy: I could try.

1122
01:00:02.641 --> 01:00:04.893
Well, that was a long time ago.

1123
01:00:04.935 --> 01:00:06.144
I mean, that was...

1124
01:00:06.186 --> 01:00:11.358
There were... a lot...

1125
01:00:11.399 --> 01:00:13.527
There were a lot of girls
since then.

1126
01:00:13.568 --> 01:00:15.904
Did you clean the car
afte rwa rd s.

1127
01:00:15.946 --> 01:00:17.155
I don't remember.

1128
01:00:17.197 --> 01:00:19.116
If you were driving
60 miles an hour

1129
01:00:19.157 --> 01:00:21.034
traveling south for...

1130
01:00:23.912 --> 01:00:25.765
Didn't think there'd be math
on this test, did you?

1131
01:00:25.789 --> 01:00:28.458
- No, I did not.
- No, no, me neither.

1132
01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:31.586
You said that was north
of pocatello, yeah?

1133
01:00:31.628 --> 01:00:33.064
- I don't know its name.
- Woman: Okay.

1134
01:00:33.088 --> 01:00:34.673
But you drowned her there.

1135
01:00:34.714 --> 01:00:36.758
No, I drowned her
in my hotel room.

1136
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:38.760
I only dumped her body
in the river.

1137
01:00:38.802 --> 01:00:41.263
And then what did you do...

1138
01:00:41.304 --> 01:00:43.974
After you killed her?

1139
01:00:44.015 --> 01:00:46.101
I'm trying to work
with you here.

1140
01:00:46.143 --> 01:00:47.185
Bundy: I know.

1141
01:00:47.227 --> 01:00:48.645
Look...

1142
01:00:48.687 --> 01:00:51.398
I think we're getting
close to lunch.

1143
01:00:53.233 --> 01:00:55.068
Alright. Let's break for lunch.

1144
01:00:55.110 --> 01:00:56.820
We'll resume this after.

1145
01:01:01.032 --> 01:01:02.450
You're stalling.

1146
01:01:02.492 --> 01:01:05.036
No, I'm lying.
There's a difference.

1147
01:01:05.078 --> 01:01:07.372
What happened to giving up
everything in a major way?

1148
01:01:07.414 --> 01:01:09.040
- Bundy: You didn't see it.
- See what?

1149
01:01:09.082 --> 01:01:13.003
- He knew her.
- What? Bull.

1150
01:01:13.044 --> 01:01:14.713
- How could you tell?
- I don't know.

1151
01:01:14.754 --> 01:01:17.215
I don't know. Something
in the way he talked about it.

1152
01:01:17.257 --> 01:01:18.925
I don't know.
It was in his eyes.

1153
01:01:18.967 --> 01:01:20.820
I don't know if they were dating
or romantic or whatever,

1154
01:01:20.844 --> 01:01:22.679
but he had a relationship
with that girl.

1155
01:01:22.721 --> 01:01:24.306
Well, I didn't see it.

1156
01:01:24.347 --> 01:01:26.033
Bundy: That's because you
weren't sitting across from him.

1157
01:01:26.057 --> 01:01:27.451
- You would've if you were.
- So, you didn't tell him...

1158
01:01:27.475 --> 01:01:28.977
Because I didn't want
to tell that guy

1159
01:01:29.019 --> 01:01:30.371
that I made love
to his dead girlfriend

1160
01:01:30.395 --> 01:01:33.648
right before I cut her head
clean off.

1161
01:01:33.690 --> 01:01:36.568
Jesus.

1162
01:01:38.486 --> 01:01:42.199
I'm going to lunch.

1163
01:01:58.798 --> 01:02:01.259
Okay. Let's go back
to grand junction.

1164
01:02:01.301 --> 01:02:03.053
May I ask you something,
just briefly.

1165
01:02:03.094 --> 01:02:06.014
- Certainly.
- Did you know her?

1166
01:02:10.268 --> 01:02:11.937
Yes, I did.

1167
01:02:11.978 --> 01:02:15.065
I had a feeling.
Icouldjust, uh...

1168
01:02:15.106 --> 01:02:16.858
Sense the emotion.

1169
01:02:16.900 --> 01:02:18.151
Man: Yeah. Well...

1170
01:02:20.820 --> 01:02:21.988
It's an emotional thing.

1171
01:02:22.030 --> 01:02:23.573
Sure, I know that.

1172
01:02:23.615 --> 01:02:25.343
Man: I would appreciate it
if you didn't let that

1173
01:02:25.367 --> 01:02:27.160
color our conversation here.

1174
01:02:27.202 --> 01:02:28.620
I think we should
move on to vale.

1175
01:02:28.662 --> 01:02:30.497
I still have a few more
questions about...

1176
01:02:30.538 --> 01:02:31.790
Vale.

1177
01:02:31.831 --> 01:02:32.791
Hagmaier: You drive back safe.

1178
01:02:32.832 --> 01:02:34.292
Yeah.

1179
01:02:52.352 --> 01:02:54.938
So, about tomorrow.

1180
01:02:54.980 --> 01:02:57.565
- You mean the dobson thing.
- What dobson thing?

1181
01:02:57.607 --> 01:03:02.153
Some radio preacher,
televangelist.

1182
01:03:02.195 --> 01:03:03.488
Carolyn set it up.

1183
01:03:03.530 --> 01:03:04.823
We said no media

1184
01:03:04.864 --> 01:03:08.159
we'll you'll have
to talk to Carolyn.

1185
01:03:09.869 --> 01:03:13.373
Okay. Can you do me a favor?
Put your father on.

1186
01:03:15.750 --> 01:03:17.377
Yeah, no, it's...

1187
01:03:17.419 --> 01:03:20.505
No easier today, no.

1188
01:03:20.547 --> 01:03:24.259
Oh, yeah. Comes with
the territory, right?

1189
01:03:26.803 --> 01:03:29.055
Yeah, no, I'm leaving now.

1190
01:03:29.097 --> 01:03:32.183
Mm-hmm. I should, uh...

1191
01:03:32.225 --> 01:03:34.394
I should go.

1192
01:03:34.436 --> 01:03:37.689
Okay. Yes. I will see you soon.

1193
01:03:37.731 --> 01:03:39.774
Yeah. Okay.

1194
01:03:39.816 --> 01:03:41.651
Okay, yeah.

1195
01:03:41.693 --> 01:03:43.528
Yes, got to go. Okay. Bye.

1196
01:03:43.570 --> 01:03:45.613
What's the schedule tomorrow?

1197
01:03:45.655 --> 01:03:48.033
- You have a very light day.
- I mean dobson.

1198
01:03:48.074 --> 01:03:49.701
You won't be needed for that.

1199
01:03:49.743 --> 01:03:51.512
All of the interviews
are supposed to go through me.

1200
01:03:51.536 --> 01:03:53.139
All the law enforcement
interviews were to be

1201
01:03:53.163 --> 01:03:54.598
scheduled through you,
and they were.

1202
01:03:54.622 --> 01:03:56.058
What the heck are you trying
to pull here?

1203
01:03:56.082 --> 01:03:57.393
I'm just trying
to give my client a chance

1204
01:03:57.417 --> 01:03:59.419
to tell his side of the story.

1205
01:03:59.461 --> 01:04:01.105
Do you think dobson will
petition the government for...

1206
01:04:01.129 --> 01:04:03.715
Dr. Dobson
is a very well connected man.

1207
01:04:03.757 --> 01:04:05.675
- We said no media.
- And he knows the rules.

1208
01:04:05.717 --> 01:04:07.010
He just wants to talk to him.

1209
01:04:07.052 --> 01:04:08.636
Ted will tell him what
he wants to hear.

1210
01:04:08.678 --> 01:04:11.264
- He wants a poster boy.
- And we'll give it to him.

1211
01:04:17.771 --> 01:04:20.857
Dr. Dobson, this is
special agent bill hagmaier.

1212
01:04:20.899 --> 01:04:22.484
- Special agent.
- Doctor.

1213
01:04:22.525 --> 01:04:24.378
It's good to meet you.
I've heard a lot about you.

1214
01:04:24.402 --> 01:04:26.363
You're doing
the lord's work here.

1215
01:04:26.404 --> 01:04:28.031
We've done what we can.

1216
01:04:28.073 --> 01:04:29.300
But we still have
a lot of investigators

1217
01:04:29.324 --> 01:04:31.576
left to squeeze in.

1218
01:04:31.618 --> 01:04:34.287
Well, your two hours
are counting down.

1219
01:04:34.329 --> 01:04:35.789
I won't keep you.

1220
01:04:39.959 --> 01:04:42.003
Carolyn, I'm going
to check on our setup.

1221
01:04:42.045 --> 01:04:44.714
- Carolyn: Mm-hmm.
- Get me something to drink.

1222
01:04:44.756 --> 01:04:46.383
That was rude.

1223
01:04:46.424 --> 01:04:48.486
How long of an interview
can he get with all the setup?

1224
01:04:48.510 --> 01:04:49.761
The setup doesn't count.

1225
01:04:49.803 --> 01:04:51.596
What do you mean
it doesn't count?

1226
01:04:51.638 --> 01:04:53.056
This is a real production.

1227
01:04:53.098 --> 01:04:54.766
You don't just
point a camera and shoot.

1228
01:04:54.808 --> 01:04:57.685
How long?

1229
01:04:57.727 --> 01:04:58.937
We have seven hours blocked.

1230
01:04:58.978 --> 01:05:01.272
- Seven hours?!
- Correct.

1231
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:05.026
He's guilty.

1232
01:05:05.068 --> 01:05:09.406
This won't help anyone.

1233
01:05:09.447 --> 01:05:11.116
Excuse me.

1234
01:05:17.997 --> 01:05:21.501
Dobson: You are guilty of
killing many women and girls.

1235
01:05:21.543 --> 01:05:24.629
Is that correct?

1236
01:05:24.671 --> 01:05:26.297
Bundy: Yes.

1237
01:05:26.339 --> 01:05:28.216
Yes, that's true.

1238
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.430
Dobson: Ted, how did it happen?

1239
01:05:33.471 --> 01:05:34.639
Take me back.

1240
01:05:34.681 --> 01:05:37.642
So much grief, so much sorrow,

1241
01:05:37.684 --> 01:05:40.979
so much pain for so many people.

1242
01:05:41.020 --> 01:05:42.230
Where did it start?

1243
01:05:42.272 --> 01:05:45.108
How did this moment come about?

1244
01:05:46.901 --> 01:05:48.319
Bundy: That's part
of the tragedy

1245
01:05:48.361 --> 01:05:50.447
of this whole situation,

1246
01:05:50.488 --> 01:05:53.783
because I grew up
in a wonderful home

1247
01:05:53.825 --> 01:05:57.537
with two dedicated
and loving parents.

1248
01:05:57.579 --> 01:06:01.916
I'm one of five
brothers and sisters.

1249
01:06:01.958 --> 01:06:05.795
But as a boy,

1250
01:06:05.837 --> 01:06:08.089
and I...

1251
01:06:08.131 --> 01:06:13.511
And I mean 12, 13...

1252
01:06:13.553 --> 01:06:15.722
I encountered,

1253
01:06:15.763 --> 01:06:17.557
outside of the home again,

1254
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:21.102
in the local grocery stores,

1255
01:06:21.144 --> 01:06:23.396
the local drugstores,

1256
01:06:23.438 --> 01:06:26.941
soft core pornography.

1257
01:06:26.983 --> 01:06:28.401
Soft core,

1258
01:06:28.443 --> 01:06:31.529
what people call soft core.

1259
01:06:31.571 --> 01:06:35.700
And as I think I explained
to you last night, Dr. Dobson,

1260
01:06:35.742 --> 01:06:39.078
an anecdote, as boys do,

1261
01:06:39.120 --> 01:06:44.292
we would explore
the back roads and sideways

1262
01:06:44.334 --> 01:06:46.794
and byways of our neighborhood.

1263
01:06:46.836 --> 01:06:51.090
And often times,
people would dump the garbage

1264
01:06:51.132 --> 01:06:54.219
or whatever they were clearing
out of their house.

1265
01:06:54.260 --> 01:06:57.138
From time to time,
we'd come across

1266
01:06:57.180 --> 01:06:59.641
old pornographic books

1267
01:06:59.682 --> 01:07:02.560
of a harder, more explicit,

1268
01:07:02.602 --> 01:07:04.229
graphic nature

1269
01:07:04.270 --> 01:07:05.897
than what we'd encounter

1270
01:07:05.939 --> 01:07:09.025
in, say,
your local grocery store.

1271
01:07:09.067 --> 01:07:10.902
And this included such things

1272
01:07:10.944 --> 01:07:13.196
as detective magazines.

1273
01:07:13.238 --> 01:07:15.406
Those involved violence.

1274
01:07:15.448 --> 01:07:19.160
Yes, this is something
I want to emphasize,

1275
01:07:19.202 --> 01:07:20.703
is the... the...

1276
01:07:20.745 --> 01:07:24.457
The most damaging kinds
of pornography in...

1277
01:07:24.499 --> 01:07:28.419
And again, I'm talking
from personal experience here,

1278
01:07:28.461 --> 01:07:32.924
hard real personal experience,

1279
01:07:32.966 --> 01:07:37.095
are those that involve violence,
sexual violence,

1280
01:07:37.136 --> 01:07:40.723
because of the wedding
of those two forces,

1281
01:07:40.765 --> 01:07:44.894
I only know too well,

1282
01:07:44.936 --> 01:07:49.315
brings out a behavior
that is just...

1283
01:07:49.357 --> 01:07:53.486
Too terrible to describe.

1284
01:07:53.528 --> 01:07:56.406
We are your sons,
and we are your husbands,

1285
01:07:56.447 --> 01:07:59.534
and we grew up
in regular families.

1286
01:07:59.576 --> 01:08:02.954
And pornography can reach out

1287
01:08:02.996 --> 01:08:06.082
and snatch a kid out
of any house.

1288
01:08:06.124 --> 01:08:08.376
It snatched me out of my home

1289
01:08:08.418 --> 01:08:10.461
20, 30 years ago.

1290
01:08:16.968 --> 01:08:19.429
As good a Christian home...

1291
01:08:43.870 --> 01:08:45.246
Were you happy
with the interview.

1292
01:08:45.288 --> 01:08:46.873
Very.

1293
01:08:46.914 --> 01:08:50.001
His message is going
to go out to the world

1294
01:08:50.043 --> 01:08:53.338
and save untold thousands
of lives and souls.

1295
01:08:53.379 --> 01:08:56.257
- And the governor?
- Is going to love this.

1296
01:08:56.299 --> 01:08:58.384
So, you'll talk to him.

1297
01:09:02.555 --> 01:09:05.767
The governor was never
going to pardon him.

1298
01:09:05.808 --> 01:09:08.519
He's a murderer.

1299
01:09:08.561 --> 01:09:10.813
But now he can go on
to meet the lord

1300
01:09:10.855 --> 01:09:14.567
with a clean soul
and an unburdened heart.

1301
01:09:14.609 --> 01:09:17.695
Thank you for this
tremendous experience.

1302
01:09:17.737 --> 01:09:19.697
This is going to change lives.

1303
01:09:19.739 --> 01:09:22.617
And now, if you'll excuse me,
I have to go across the street.

1304
01:09:22.659 --> 01:09:24.303
Hagemaier: No, we had
an agreement. No press!

1305
01:09:24.327 --> 01:09:25.411
This is too big.

1306
01:09:25.453 --> 01:09:26.829
The world needs to know why

1307
01:09:26.871 --> 01:09:28.498
he killed those girls.

1308
01:09:28.539 --> 01:09:30.375
It was a pleasure meeting you,
bill.

1309
01:09:30.416 --> 01:09:31.834
Lieberman: Yeah, hi. It's me.

1310
01:09:31.876 --> 01:09:34.754
I need everyone down here asap.

1311
01:10:02.115 --> 01:10:04.992
Woman: Today in Florida,
a notorious serial killer is

1312
01:10:05.034 --> 01:10:08.121
sustaining a string of very
last-minute confessions.

1313
01:10:08.162 --> 01:10:11.666
Ted Bundy is trying
to stay his execution,

1314
01:10:11.708 --> 01:10:14.585
which is scheduled for tomorrow
in the electric chair.

1315
01:10:14.627 --> 01:10:16.546
Ted Bundy has now confessed
to at least some

1316
01:10:16.587 --> 01:10:18.631
of the violent murders
he's suspected of,

1317
01:10:18.673 --> 01:10:21.551
bringing some measure of relief
to the victims families.

1318
01:10:21.592 --> 01:10:23.428
Jennifer strother
was a co-worker

1319
01:10:23.469 --> 01:10:26.347
of Julie Cunningham,
a vale ski shop employee

1320
01:10:26.389 --> 01:10:28.015
Bundy has confessed to killing.

1321
01:10:42.196 --> 01:10:44.699
Bill. Word?

1322
01:10:47.869 --> 01:10:50.955
Bundy's people are calling
for a sanity hearing.

1323
01:10:50.997 --> 01:10:54.292
Well, that's straight
out of the playbook.

1324
01:10:54.333 --> 01:10:55.960
Governor will send down
his people,

1325
01:10:56.002 --> 01:10:57.420
who will find him sane,

1326
01:10:57.462 --> 01:10:59.505
as the governor
has instructed them to do.

1327
01:10:59.547 --> 01:11:01.883
And then, of course,
Carolyn will call in her team

1328
01:11:01.924 --> 01:11:03.551
of heavy hitters, who will...

1329
01:11:03.593 --> 01:11:05.636
They'll find him nuts,
whether he is or not.

1330
01:11:05.678 --> 01:11:07.513
Whether he is or not.

1331
01:11:07.555 --> 01:11:09.140
So, it will come down

1332
01:11:09.182 --> 01:11:11.851
to any interviewing
law enforcement officials

1333
01:11:11.893 --> 01:11:15.021
who spent significant time
with him.

1334
01:11:21.527 --> 01:11:23.988
You're saying I'm the guy
that's actually gonna decide

1335
01:11:24.030 --> 01:11:26.073
whether or not
he gets the chair.

1336
01:11:26.115 --> 01:11:30.286
Warden: It's a hell of a thing
to put on to a man, but yes.

1337
01:11:34.373 --> 01:11:35.851
Man: That's who you want
to be president.

1338
01:11:35.875 --> 01:11:37.519
Former head of the CIA.
That's who you want.

1339
01:11:37.543 --> 01:11:39.921
Some one who knows
what it's like on the ground.

1340
01:11:39.962 --> 01:11:42.423
- Absolutely. Absolutely.
- You know?

1341
01:11:42.465 --> 01:11:45.092
- Get stuff done.
- Get it done. Get it done.

1342
01:11:45.134 --> 01:11:47.404
Man: Hey, bill, you've met
assistant warden Decker, right?

1343
01:11:47.428 --> 01:11:50.932
Man #2: Yeah, I think we met at
the crime in america conference.

1344
01:11:50.973 --> 01:11:52.475
I don't remember.

1345
01:11:52.517 --> 01:11:55.520
Man: Good evening, everyone.

1346
01:11:55.561 --> 01:11:57.605
Ted Bundy has 13 hours to live,

1347
01:11:57.647 --> 01:12:01.234
and he is using those hours to
try to buy himself more time.

1348
01:12:01.275 --> 01:12:03.194
Shortly after 2:30
this afternoon,

1349
01:12:03.236 --> 01:12:06.030
a diesel engine that will
power tomorrow's execution

1350
01:12:06.072 --> 01:12:08.741
arrived at the Florida
state prison for testing,

1351
01:12:08.783 --> 01:12:11.661
showing the first signs
of what is to come.

1352
01:12:11.702 --> 01:12:15.957
Hagmaier: You said he wanted to
do something for the families.

1353
01:12:15.998 --> 01:12:18.060
You don't exactly have a lot
of time left to do that.

1354
01:12:18.084 --> 01:12:20.795
Bundy: We're still
waiting on the court.

1355
01:12:23.506 --> 01:12:25.216
Bundy t-shirts for sale.

1356
01:12:25.258 --> 01:12:27.510
This one says,
"burn, Bundy, burn."

1357
01:12:27.552 --> 01:12:29.470
And the vendor says
business is good.

1358
01:12:29.512 --> 01:12:31.973
I'm not making a lot
of money on this.

1359
01:12:32.014 --> 01:12:33.432
But I'm getting the message out.

1360
01:12:44.235 --> 01:12:45.862
And they say I'm crazy.

1361
01:12:49.657 --> 01:12:52.952
The governor isn't gonna call.

1362
01:12:52.994 --> 01:12:55.454
This is it, right?

1363
01:12:55.496 --> 01:12:59.792
The governor has identified
three psychiatrists, good ones.

1364
01:12:59.834 --> 01:13:01.669
They're interviewing staff,
administrators,

1365
01:13:01.711 --> 01:13:03.880
anyone who's come
in contact with you

1366
01:13:03.921 --> 01:13:05.798
to ask
if they've noticed any change

1367
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:07.425
in your behavior
over the last week.

1368
01:13:07.466 --> 01:13:09.135
Well, that's alright.

1369
01:13:13.472 --> 01:13:15.725
They're gonna ask you.

1370
01:13:15.766 --> 01:13:17.202
I mean, who have you
spent more time with

1371
01:13:17.226 --> 01:13:18.644
over the last three days?

1372
01:13:18.686 --> 01:13:21.355
And if you tell them
that I'm not crazy...

1373
01:13:21.397 --> 01:13:23.649
I'll be executed.

1374
01:13:23.691 --> 01:13:26.569
That is the likeliest outcome.

1375
01:13:42.209 --> 01:13:44.670
I need to make a phone call.

1376
01:13:44.712 --> 01:13:45.939
Hagmaier: Yeah, you have
all the calls...

1377
01:13:45.963 --> 01:13:47.298
To my mother.

1378
01:13:49.759 --> 01:13:52.637
What the hell do I say to her,
bill?

1379
01:13:52.678 --> 01:13:56.390
- I don't know how to...
- You tell the truth.

1380
01:13:56.432 --> 01:13:59.560
You apologize.
You say you're sorry.

1381
01:14:03.064 --> 01:14:05.316
Write her a letter.

1382
01:14:05.358 --> 01:14:07.234
I don't know how
to write that, bill.

1383
01:14:21.290 --> 01:14:24.001
Hagmaier: Alright.
Let's work this out.

1384
01:14:35.304 --> 01:14:37.139
Here you go.

1385
01:14:37.181 --> 01:14:41.352
Well, you're asking me
to do something.

1386
01:14:43.229 --> 01:14:45.731
Just start with, "dear mom."

1387
01:14:52.863 --> 01:14:54.532
Bundy: Dear...

1388
01:14:54.573 --> 01:14:57.034
How long's it been
since you've talked to her?

1389
01:15:00.913 --> 01:15:03.207
- Three years.
- We'll start with that.

1390
01:15:25.062 --> 01:15:27.565
You only have a few hours left.

1391
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:32.236
What did you have in mind?

1392
01:15:35.156 --> 01:15:38.242
You told me once,
when you were ready,

1393
01:15:38.284 --> 01:15:41.370
you'd take me under the water.

1394
01:15:41.412 --> 01:15:44.081
I did.

1395
01:15:47.334 --> 01:15:49.128
Where are we going?

1396
01:15:52.673 --> 01:15:54.300
Bundy: I'm, uh...

1397
01:15:54.341 --> 01:15:55.342
Pretty tired.

1398
01:15:55.384 --> 01:15:56.802
I think I should get some rest

1399
01:15:56.844 --> 01:15:59.555
before the morning.

1400
01:15:59.597 --> 01:16:01.223
Ted...

1401
01:16:01.265 --> 01:16:03.517
You said you wanted to confess,

1402
01:16:03.559 --> 01:16:04.977
tell the truth.

1403
01:16:05.019 --> 01:16:07.063
You can't get right with god,

1404
01:16:07.104 --> 01:16:09.982
holding all that in.

1405
01:16:10.024 --> 01:16:13.944
If you consider me a friend...

1406
01:16:58.280 --> 01:17:01.575
I'm going to...

1407
01:17:01.617 --> 01:17:04.703
Take you somewhere...

1408
01:17:04.745 --> 01:17:08.082
That I've never
taken anyone before.

1409
01:17:12.169 --> 01:17:14.046
And I will do the talking.

1410
01:17:31.313 --> 01:17:32.940
Beautiful.

1411
01:17:35.067 --> 01:17:37.153
Radiant.

1412
01:17:38.904 --> 01:17:41.407
And very familiar.

1413
01:17:43.576 --> 01:17:46.036
Her dad is sick.

1414
01:17:46.078 --> 01:17:47.413
He's, uh...

1415
01:17:47.454 --> 01:17:49.498
He's in and out of the hospital.

1416
01:17:49.540 --> 01:17:52.209
I hear her talking about it

1417
01:17:52.251 --> 01:17:55.462
over a pay phone.

1418
01:17:55.504 --> 01:17:59.008
He has heart problems.

1419
01:17:59.049 --> 01:18:00.676
I have a badge

1420
01:18:00.718 --> 01:18:02.970
that I got in the usual way,

1421
01:18:03.012 --> 01:18:06.098
a local police badge.

1422
01:18:06.140 --> 01:18:08.392
And tonight...

1423
01:18:08.434 --> 01:18:10.895
Full moon.

1424
01:18:10.936 --> 01:18:12.563
She looks amazing.

1425
01:18:12.605 --> 01:18:15.608
She's exactly like one
of the girls from the magazines.

1426
01:18:15.649 --> 01:18:17.693
- The detective magazines.
- Bundy: Spitting image.

1427
01:18:17.735 --> 01:18:19.570
Walk up to her.

1428
01:18:19.612 --> 01:18:21.655
I'm officer Ted,

1429
01:18:21.697 --> 01:18:23.115
officer Ted Bundy.

1430
01:18:23.157 --> 01:18:24.408
Something's happened.

1431
01:18:24.450 --> 01:18:26.285
She goes pale.
"What do you mean?"

1432
01:18:26.327 --> 01:18:27.870
"Your father's
had a heart attack.

1433
01:18:27.912 --> 01:18:30.664
I was sent to find you.
My car is over this way."

1434
01:18:30.706 --> 01:18:33.000
She rushes with me.
It all happened so fast.

1435
01:18:33.042 --> 01:18:35.377
She doesn't have time
to clock the police officer

1436
01:18:35.419 --> 01:18:37.338
is picking her up
in a Volkswagen.

1437
01:18:37.379 --> 01:18:39.256
I open the door for her.

1438
01:18:39.298 --> 01:18:42.426
Before she realizes there's
no passenger seat, wham!

1439
01:18:42.468 --> 01:18:43.969
I hit her
in the back of the head

1440
01:18:44.011 --> 01:18:46.263
with a tire iron.

1441
01:18:46.305 --> 01:18:47.514
She's out.

1442
01:18:47.556 --> 01:18:50.434
Isn't she beautiful?

1443
01:18:50.476 --> 01:18:52.937
Her dark hair parted
down the middle.

1444
01:18:52.978 --> 01:18:55.856
Gorgeous.

1445
01:18:55.898 --> 01:18:58.651
I want her so bad.

1446
01:18:58.692 --> 01:19:00.361
But no.

1447
01:19:00.402 --> 01:19:02.655
Not yet.

1448
01:19:02.696 --> 01:19:05.991
Bundy: Stick to the plan.
Just a few more miles.

1449
01:19:06.033 --> 01:19:08.702
You can do whatever you want.

1450
01:19:08.744 --> 01:19:12.039
The air is cold. It's crisp.

1451
01:19:12.081 --> 01:19:13.666
Now we're there. We're there.

1452
01:19:13.707 --> 01:19:15.125
I drag her out of the car.

1453
01:19:15.167 --> 01:19:16.585
I drag her through the woods

1454
01:19:16.627 --> 01:19:19.296
to the place I have
all picked out.

1455
01:19:19.338 --> 01:19:20.547
That spot.

1456
01:19:20.589 --> 01:19:22.841
She's lying there
in the moonlight.

1457
01:19:22.883 --> 01:19:25.344
Her curves, her skin,
her blouse.

1458
01:19:25.386 --> 01:19:27.429
I can see her curves.

1459
01:19:30.933 --> 01:19:32.786
Don't get caught.
That's how you don't get caught.

1460
01:19:32.810 --> 01:19:34.853
I need my kit. It's in the car.

1461
01:19:34.895 --> 01:19:38.190
Back of the wheel well.
Get rid of it after I'm done.

1462
01:19:38.232 --> 01:19:40.276
Never use the same kit twice.
That's you get caught.

1463
01:19:40.317 --> 01:19:41.860
You didn't let them
catch you with it.

1464
01:19:41.902 --> 01:19:43.779
You got to know
where to drop it.

1465
01:19:43.821 --> 01:19:46.323
And I undress her.

1466
01:19:48.450 --> 01:19:51.537
I wrap the garrot
around her neck.

1467
01:19:51.578 --> 01:19:55.291
And I bend her over.

1468
01:19:55.332 --> 01:19:58.419
And I wake her with
the smelling salts.

1469
01:19:58.460 --> 01:20:01.338
And she wakes, and she screams.

1470
01:20:01.380 --> 01:20:03.841
Shhhhhh!

1471
01:20:03.882 --> 01:20:06.343
"Please, please, please,
don't do this."

1472
01:20:06.385 --> 01:20:08.637
Don't cry. Don't cry.

1473
01:20:08.679 --> 01:20:12.391
- Just be quiet.
- Please, don't do this.

1474
01:20:12.433 --> 01:20:16.145
I live out all the fantasies.

1475
01:20:16.186 --> 01:20:17.604
I fuck her until I...

1476
01:20:17.646 --> 01:20:19.064
I've ever dreamed of.

1477
01:20:19.106 --> 01:20:20.316
It's just that moment.

1478
01:20:20.357 --> 01:20:22.818
I wrap the garrot tighter.

1479
01:20:22.860 --> 01:20:23.944
I wring her neck.

1480
01:20:23.986 --> 01:20:25.529
I choke her. She's bucking.

1481
01:20:25.571 --> 01:20:28.032
She's gasping.

1482
01:20:29.116 --> 01:20:32.828
Oh!

1483
01:20:32.870 --> 01:20:35.956
I feel her going limp.

1484
01:20:35.998 --> 01:20:38.876
And...

1485
01:20:38.917 --> 01:20:40.586
Iwrap her...

1486
01:20:40.627 --> 01:20:42.689
Hagmaier:
I wrap my arms around her.

1487
01:20:49.845 --> 01:20:52.514
And I turn her around.

1488
01:20:56.310 --> 01:20:59.605
And I kiss her.

1489
01:20:59.646 --> 01:21:03.567
I swallow her last breath whole.

1490
01:21:07.154 --> 01:21:10.032
She knows.

1491
01:21:10.074 --> 01:21:12.326
She knows...

1492
01:21:12.368 --> 01:21:14.620
That it's her last moments
on earth.

1493
01:21:14.661 --> 01:21:16.914
- Bundy: And she's mine.
- This is it.

1494
01:21:16.955 --> 01:21:18.791
This is it.

1495
01:21:18.832 --> 01:21:20.876
She's mine.

1496
01:22:05.838 --> 01:22:08.090
We went out for food.

1497
01:22:08.132 --> 01:22:11.427
But nothing was open this late
but a gas station.

1498
01:22:11.468 --> 01:22:13.554
Thanks.

1499
01:22:18.559 --> 01:22:20.227
So, what'd he tell you?

1500
01:22:30.362 --> 01:22:31.697
Special agent.

1501
01:22:31.738 --> 01:22:33.574
Governor's team
is ready for you now.

1502
01:22:37.786 --> 01:22:39.621
Woman: Alright.

1503
01:22:39.663 --> 01:22:43.000
I think we have
everything we need.

1504
01:22:46.086 --> 01:22:48.964
- Okay.
- Yeah.

1505
01:22:49.006 --> 01:22:51.675
Thank you for your time,
agent hagmaier.

1506
01:23:05.731 --> 01:23:07.608
Lieberman: [ Sighs 1

1507
01:23:19.286 --> 01:23:21.121
Ifailed.

1508
01:23:23.665 --> 01:23:26.793
No one could've saved him
after what he's done.

1509
01:23:29.713 --> 01:23:32.549
Carolyn...

1510
01:23:32.591 --> 01:23:34.843
You need to go home
to your husband,

1511
01:23:34.885 --> 01:23:38.013
go home to your kids,
get some sleep?

1512
01:23:40.474 --> 01:23:41.767
Has anyone ever told you

1513
01:23:41.808 --> 01:23:44.311
that you need to go home
to your kids?

1514
01:23:50.567 --> 01:23:54.488
I know what people say.

1515
01:23:54.530 --> 01:23:57.616
The guards, everyone.

1516
01:23:58.617 --> 01:24:00.452
About Ted and I.

1517
01:24:00.494 --> 01:24:02.079
People say things.

1518
01:24:02.120 --> 01:24:03.956
You want to know what
I think about Ted Bundy?

1519
01:24:03.997 --> 01:24:07.918
I will tell you. I hate him.

1520
01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:13.549
I... I think I hate him more
than anybody I've ever hated.

1521
01:24:13.590 --> 01:24:14.925
Then why defend him?

1522
01:24:14.967 --> 01:24:18.262
Because murder is murder,

1523
01:24:18.303 --> 01:24:21.181
and... in the end,

1524
01:24:21.223 --> 01:24:24.726
we all have to be accountable
for what we've done,

1525
01:24:24.768 --> 01:24:27.020
and that includes me
as much as it includes Ted,

1526
01:24:27.062 --> 01:24:28.939
and it includes you, too,

1527
01:24:30.607 --> 01:24:32.025
whether you realize it or not,

1528
01:24:32.067 --> 01:24:33.902
you just helped pull
the trigger in there.

1529
01:24:33.944 --> 01:24:35.988
It's between him and god now.

1530
01:24:36.029 --> 01:24:39.533
I just told the truth.

1531
01:24:39.575 --> 01:24:43.620
Him and god. Right.

1532
01:24:48.125 --> 01:24:50.419
God is what gets you
through this?

1533
01:24:54.339 --> 01:24:56.174
Goodbye, bill.

1534
01:25:04.516 --> 01:25:07.394
Man: "He maketh me to
lie down in green pastures.

1535
01:25:07.436 --> 01:25:10.314
He ieadeth me beside
the still waters.

1536
01:25:10.355 --> 01:25:12.608
He restoreth my soul.

1537
01:25:12.649 --> 01:25:15.068
He ieadeth me in the paths
of righteousness

1538
01:25:15.110 --> 01:25:16.737
for his name's sake.

1539
01:25:16.778 --> 01:25:18.322
Yea, though I walk

1540
01:25:18.363 --> 01:25:20.032
through the valley
of the shadow of death,

1541
01:25:20.073 --> 01:25:23.827
I will fear no evil:
For thou art with me;

1542
01:25:23.869 --> 01:25:25.704
thy rod and thy staff..."

1543
01:25:25.746 --> 01:25:30.917
Man #2: Look down and give
comfort to your son, Ted,

1544
01:25:30.959 --> 01:25:33.629
as he prepares to make
his final...

1545
01:25:33.670 --> 01:25:36.173
Oh, no! No!

1546
01:25:36.214 --> 01:25:38.050
Man: In a place where thine...

1547
01:25:38.091 --> 01:25:39.509
Man #2: The lord of hosts.

1548
01:25:39.551 --> 01:25:41.219
He is the king of glory.

1549
01:25:46.850 --> 01:25:50.771
I can't fucking hear anything!

1550
01:25:55.817 --> 01:26:00.364
Man: I and praiseth me I

1551
01:26:03.533 --> 01:26:08.330
I my song shall be... I

1552
01:26:29.184 --> 01:26:30.811
Bundy: I wanted
to say something.

1553
01:26:30.852 --> 01:26:33.647
You know, while I still can.

1554
01:26:37.609 --> 01:26:40.487
Thanks for being here,

1555
01:26:40.529 --> 01:26:42.614
for being a friend.

1556
01:26:45.117 --> 01:26:48.537
Everyone always wanted
something from me.

1557
01:26:48.578 --> 01:26:50.247
I was a noteworthy client,

1558
01:26:50.288 --> 01:26:54.626
or... or... or another brick
on their road to salvation

1559
01:26:54.668 --> 01:26:58.797
or a name on their cover
to sell a book, but...

1560
01:27:01.049 --> 01:27:03.510
But you...

1561
01:27:03.552 --> 01:27:07.472
All you ever wanted from me
was to understand.

1562
01:27:07.514 --> 01:27:10.392
And that's all a friend is.

1563
01:27:10.434 --> 01:27:14.563
You know, someone
who wants to understand.

1564
01:27:14.604 --> 01:27:16.773
All they want to believe
is that the worst person

1565
01:27:16.815 --> 01:27:18.692
in the world got smoked?

1566
01:27:23.071 --> 01:27:25.949
You know what? Screw that.

1567
01:27:25.991 --> 01:27:28.660
I'm not gonna give the state
the satisfaction of killing me.

1568
01:27:28.702 --> 01:27:31.788
They can Bury me if they want,
but they can't kill me.

1569
01:27:31.830 --> 01:27:33.039
You see this pen?!

1570
01:27:33.081 --> 01:27:34.624
I can put this in my arm
right now.

1571
01:27:34.666 --> 01:27:36.752
I can bleed out before
anybody gets in here.

1572
01:27:36.793 --> 01:27:39.254
I've researched it.
I've seen other guys do it.

1573
01:27:39.296 --> 01:27:41.840
- I can do it.
- You don't think I trust you?

1574
01:27:41.882 --> 01:27:43.300
What, you want me
to grab that pen

1575
01:27:43.341 --> 01:27:45.594
and stop you from
killing yourself right now?

1576
01:27:45.635 --> 01:27:47.679
I'm not gonna do it.

1577
01:27:47.721 --> 01:27:50.807
If that's your plan...

1578
01:27:50.849 --> 01:27:53.101
But you wanted to do some good
before you went.

1579
01:27:53.143 --> 01:27:54.370
Bundy: And I've done it.
I've done all I can.

1580
01:27:54.394 --> 01:27:57.063
- You said so yourself.
- Not all.

1581
01:27:57.105 --> 01:27:58.732
Those families,

1582
01:27:58.774 --> 01:28:02.152
they need to know that you
died for their daughter.

1583
01:28:02.194 --> 01:28:04.130
Each one of them independently
is going to believe

1584
01:28:04.154 --> 01:28:06.448
that you died
for their daughter.

1585
01:28:08.450 --> 01:28:11.328
That's why you have
to die in the morning.

1586
01:28:11.369 --> 01:28:13.038
It's for them.

1587
01:28:19.419 --> 01:28:21.671
What's gonna happen to me?

1588
01:28:21.713 --> 01:28:23.590
Hagmaier: I don't know.

1589
01:28:46.238 --> 01:28:48.198
I can't get what
I need from here.

1590
01:28:48.240 --> 01:28:49.741
What do you mean?

1591
01:28:49.783 --> 01:28:51.409
I have been reading
this fucking thing.

1592
01:28:51.451 --> 01:28:53.537
I just don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.

1593
01:28:53.578 --> 01:28:57.123
Well, what we do know is you're
going to die in the morning,

1594
01:28:57.165 --> 01:28:59.376
and there will be
a final judgment.

1595
01:28:59.417 --> 01:29:02.087
How am I going
to explain all this to god?

1596
01:29:02.128 --> 01:29:05.215
There's a thing called remorse,

1597
01:29:05.257 --> 01:29:08.134
a thing called repentance.

1598
01:29:08.176 --> 01:29:11.680
Salvation has to come
from within first.

1599
01:29:11.721 --> 01:29:14.850
You're not gonna be able to lie
your way out of this one, Ted.

1600
01:29:18.186 --> 01:29:20.230
Seven days!

1601
01:29:20.272 --> 01:29:22.524
That fucking governor...
He gave me seven days!

1602
01:29:22.566 --> 01:29:24.401
It could've been 30.
It could've been 60!

1603
01:29:24.442 --> 01:29:26.278
I could have had some time
to do some good.

1604
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:28.363
I could have had time
to figure out how to live.

1605
01:29:28.405 --> 01:29:29.614
But that selfish bastard,

1606
01:29:29.656 --> 01:29:31.491
he wanted to put
a notch on his desk.

1607
01:29:31.533 --> 01:29:35.036
"I'm the guy who fried him!"
That motherfucker!

1608
01:29:35.078 --> 01:29:37.747
They want to kill me
for their own satisfaction,

1609
01:29:37.789 --> 01:29:39.416
all so they can feel better,

1610
01:29:39.457 --> 01:29:41.918
but they are not better than me.

1611
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:45.463
They are not better than me!

1612
01:29:45.505 --> 01:29:48.174
Why, bill?!

1613
01:29:48.216 --> 01:29:50.051
Why did this happen to me?

1614
01:29:50.093 --> 01:29:52.429
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!

1615
01:29:52.470 --> 01:29:54.514
You're asking me,
so I'm gonna tell you right now!

1616
01:29:54.556 --> 01:29:56.391
How many of your victims
had the opportunity

1617
01:29:56.433 --> 01:29:57.851
that you have, huh?!

1618
01:29:57.893 --> 01:30:01.187
To prepare for death,
to call your mom?

1619
01:30:01.229 --> 01:30:04.107
You don't even know
how many girls there even were!

1620
01:30:04.149 --> 01:30:06.401
All those children!

1621
01:30:06.443 --> 01:30:08.153
All those children who died!

1622
01:30:08.194 --> 01:30:09.672
They weren't all children.
Most of them were women...

1623
01:30:09.696 --> 01:30:11.323
They were all somebody's child,
Ted!

1624
01:30:11.364 --> 01:30:13.199
- Yeah, yeah.
- You're somebody's child.

1625
01:30:13.241 --> 01:30:15.327
Yeah.

1626
01:30:20.165 --> 01:30:22.000
You're pissed at me, aren't you?

1627
01:30:22.042 --> 01:30:23.460
Yeah.

1628
01:30:23.501 --> 01:30:24.878
Yes, I am.

1629
01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:26.355
You think they should kill me,
don't you?

1630
01:30:26.379 --> 01:30:28.256
You think it's my turn to die.

1631
01:30:30.592 --> 01:30:33.720
Frankly, they probably should've
done it a long time ago.

1632
01:30:42.103 --> 01:30:44.189
I have to pray.

1633
01:30:51.529 --> 01:30:53.406
Officer: Mr. Hagmaier.

1634
01:30:57.243 --> 01:30:58.703
It's time.

1635
01:31:10.966 --> 01:31:13.426
Will I see you out there?

1636
01:31:13.468 --> 01:31:15.136
Yes.

1637
01:31:18.431 --> 01:31:21.309
Bundy: Did you get what
you came here for?

1638
01:31:21.351 --> 01:31:23.019
Do you know why I did it?

1639
01:31:27.983 --> 01:31:31.069
Because you wanted to.

1640
01:31:37.242 --> 01:31:39.536
I hope to see you
on the other side.

1641
01:31:43.623 --> 01:31:45.500
Could be.

1642
01:32:11.776 --> 01:32:16.948
Crowd: I na na na na,
hey hey, goodbye I

1643
01:32:16.990 --> 01:32:24.873
I na na na na,
hey hey, goodbye I

1644
01:32:24.914 --> 01:32:27.584
Florida state prison.

1645
01:32:27.625 --> 01:32:28.877
I'm sorry.

1646
01:32:28.918 --> 01:32:32.422
He's not available
at the moment.

1647
01:32:32.464 --> 01:32:35.175
I'll be sure
to give the message.

1648
01:32:39.137 --> 01:32:41.598
Look, bill.

1649
01:32:41.639 --> 01:32:44.726
The warden invited
a family down.

1650
01:32:44.768 --> 01:32:47.270
- To watch?
- Yeah.

1651
01:32:47.312 --> 01:32:50.398
And they did a head count.

1652
01:32:50.440 --> 01:32:53.735
I was supposed to have a seat.

1653
01:32:53.777 --> 01:32:55.487
Florida state prison.

1654
01:32:55.528 --> 01:32:58.281
I'm sorry. He's not available
at the moment.

1655
01:32:58.323 --> 01:32:59.763
I'll be sure
to give him the message.

1656
01:33:02.494 --> 01:33:04.746
It's the warden's discretion.

1657
01:33:04.788 --> 01:33:06.581
He must have a big family.

1658
01:33:06.623 --> 01:33:09.084
He does.

1659
01:33:09.125 --> 01:33:10.919
I'm sorry.

1660
01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:12.170
They're ready for you, Paul.

1661
01:33:14.422 --> 01:33:16.508
Paul: I got to walk him down.

1662
01:33:16.549 --> 01:33:17.967
Can you man the phones?

1663
01:33:18.009 --> 01:33:20.095
Yeah.

1664
01:33:26.351 --> 01:33:28.186
Florida state prison.

1665
01:33:28.228 --> 01:33:30.271
Man: Is Ted Bundy there.

1666
01:33:30.313 --> 01:33:32.190
I'm sorry. He's not available
at the moment.

1667
01:33:32.232 --> 01:33:34.859
Man: When you see him, will
you tell him, I smell bacon?!

1668
01:33:59.884 --> 01:34:01.719
Boy: Hello. Hagmaier residence.

1669
01:34:01.761 --> 01:34:03.138
Hey, sport.

1670
01:34:03.179 --> 01:34:05.431
Boy: Oh, hi, papa.
I'm so excited!

1671
01:34:05.473 --> 01:34:07.233
I wanted to tell you
about this thing that...

1672
01:34:09.686 --> 01:34:11.312
That's great, buddy.

1673
01:34:11.354 --> 01:34:12.772
That's great.

1674
01:34:12.814 --> 01:34:14.232
Is mama around?

1675
01:34:17.610 --> 01:34:19.237
There's more.

1676
01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:22.157
Like, the pirates
have all these swords.

1677
01:34:27.620 --> 01:34:29.455
That's wonderful, buddy.

1678
01:34:29.497 --> 01:34:32.167
Um, yeah, can you put
mama on the phone?