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>> Oprah: NEARLY TWO BILLION
PEOPLE AROUND THE GLOBE WATCHED

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THEIR WEDDING.

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FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT LOOKED LIKE
SOMETHING OUT OF A FAIRY TALE

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AND APPEARED TO SIGNAL A NEW DAY
FOR THE MODERN BRITISH MONARCHY.

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>> THIS COUPLE REPRESENTS
EVERYTHING PEOPLE CAN CELEBRATE.

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>> IT'S A WONDERFUL FAIRY TALE,
IT'S...

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>> Oprah: THEY BECAME ONE OF THE
MOST TALKED ABOUT COUPLES IN THE

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MEDIA.

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THEN, IN JANUARY 2020...

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>> THERE'S BEEN AN ALMOST
SHOCKINGLY QUICK TURNAROUND.

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>> Oprah: ...HARRY AND MEGHAN
STUNNED THE WORLD WHEN THEY

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DECIDED TO STEP BACK AS SENIOR
MEMBERS OF THE ROYAL FAMILY.

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>> MEGHAN SEEMS TO HAVE MOVED
FROM THE NATION'S HEROINE TO THE

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NATION'S VILLAIN.

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>> Oprah: TONIGHT, FOR THE FIRST
TIME, THEY TELL THEIR STORY.

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I'M SITTING DOWN WITH MEGHAN.

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I THINK WHAT WE REALLY HAVE GOT
TO CLEAR UP HERE IS THAT YOU,

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MEGHAN, ARE THE ONE WHO
MANIPULATED, CALCULATED THIS

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"MEGXIT."

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AND LATER, HARRY JOINS US.

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WHAT WAS THE TIPPING POINT?

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DID YOU BLINDSIDE THE QUEEN?

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>> HI, GIRLS.

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>> Oprah: I ALSO VISIT THEM AT
HOME, WHERE THEY'RE BEGINNING

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THEIR NEW LIFE IN AMERICA.

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WHOA!

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>> Meghan: I KNOW!

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>> Oprah: YOU REALLY ARE HAVING
A BABY!

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>> Meghan: WE'RE HAVING A BABY!

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>> Oprah: THAT'S MORE THAN A
BUMP.

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>> Meghan: I KNOW.

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>> Oprah: WOW.

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>> Meghan: YEAH, I KNOW!

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HI.

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>> Oprah: HUGS, HUGS.

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VIRTUAL HUG.

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>> Meghan: I KNOW.

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>> Oprah: YEAH, DISTANCE HUG.

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SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE-- WE CAN'T
HUG BECAUSE WE'RE PRACTICING--

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>> Meghan: ALL THE THINGS.

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>> Oprah: DOING ALL THE THINGS.

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WE'VE BEEN SO STRICT.

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EVERYBODY AROUND HERE LITERALLY
IS DOUBLE-MASKED AND HAS FACE

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SHIELDS.

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BUT YOU LOOK LOVELY.

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>> Meghan: THANK YOU.

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SO DO YOU.

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>> Oprah: PREGNANT AND LOVELY.

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>> Meghan: THANK YOU, YES.

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>> Oprah: DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE
HAVING A BOY OR GIRL?

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>> Meghan: WE DO, THIS TIME.

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I WILL WAIT FOR MY HUSBAND TO
JOIN US, AND WE CAN SHARE THAT

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WITH YOU.

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>> Oprah: OKAY.

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THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.

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I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR.

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SO, BEFORE WE GET INTO IT.

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>> Meghan: ( LAUGHS )
YEAH.

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>> Oprah: I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT
CLEAR TO EVERYBODY THAT EVEN

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THOUGH WE'RE NEIGHBORS DOWN
THE-- I'M DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'RE

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UP THE ROAD...

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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THIS ISN'T MY HOUSE.

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THIS ISN'T YOUR HOUSE.

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>> Oprah: THIS ISN'T MY HOUSE.

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WE'RE USING A FRIEND'S HOUSE
BECAUSE THEY HAD A VERY NICE

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PERGOLA.

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>> Meghan: BEAUTIFUL.

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>> Oprah: THAT THERE HAS NOT
BEEN AN AGREEMENT.

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YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO
ASK.

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>> Meghan: NO.

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>> Oprah: AND THERE IS NO
SUBJECT THAT'S OFF LIMITS.

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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>> Oprah: AND YOU ARE NOT
GETTING PAID FOR THIS INTERVIEW.

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>> Meghan: ALL OF THAT'S
CORRECT.

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>> Oprah: ALL OF THAT IS
CORRECT.

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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>> Oprah: SO, YOU READY?

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>> Meghan: I AM.

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I THOUGHT THAT WAS IT.

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I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE NOW...

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>> Oprah:<i> ( LAUGHS )</i>
>> Meghan: ...WHEN YOU ASKED

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ABOUT BABY, AND WE'RE GOOD TO
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>> Oprah: OKAY.

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BUT I REMEMBER SITTING IN THE
CHAPEL AND-- THANKS FOR INVITING

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ME, BY THE WAY.

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>> Meghan: YOU'RE WELCOME.

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>> Oprah: SO, I WAS THERE ON
THAT WEDDING DAY, AND I SO

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RECALL THIS SENSE OF MAGIC.

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I MEAN, I-- I'VE NEVER
EXPERIENCED ANYTHING LIKE IT.

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AND WHEN YOU CAME THROUGH THAT
DOOR, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE,

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LIKE, FLOATING DOWN THE AISLE.

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WERE YOU EVEN INSIDE YOUR BODY
AT THAT TIME?

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>> Meghan: I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
A LOT, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE

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HAVING AN OUT-OF-BODY EXPERIENCE
THAT I WAS VERY PRESENT FOR.

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AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN
DESCRIBE IT BECAUSE THE NIGHT

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BEFORE, I SLEPT THROUGH THE
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OF ITSELF, IS A BIT OF A
MIRACLE-- AND THEN WOKE UP AND

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STARTED LISTENING TO THAT SONG,
"GOING TO THE CHAPEL..."

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>> Oprah: AH.

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>> Meghan: ...AND JUST TRIED TO
MAKE IT FUN AND LIGHT AND REMIND

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OURSELVES THAT THIS WAS OUR DAY.

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BUT I THINK WE WERE BOTH REALLY
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THIS-- THIS WASN'T OUR DAY.

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THIS WAS THE DAY THAT WAS
PLANNED FOR THE WORLD.

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>> Oprah: EVERYBODY WHO GETS
MARRIED KNOWS THAT YOU ARE

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REALLY MARRYING THE FAMILY, TOO.

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>> Meghan: MM.

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>> Oprah: BUT YOU WEREN'T JUST
MARRYING A FAMILY.

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YOU WERE MARRYING A
1,200-YEAR-OLD INSTITUTION.

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YOU WERE MARRYING THE MONARCHY.

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WHAT DID YOU THINK IT WAS GOING
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>> Meghan: I WILL SAY, I WENT
INTO IT NAIVELY...

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>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

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>> Meghan: ...BECAUSE I DIDN'T
GROW UP KNOWING MUCH ABOUT THE

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ROYAL FAMILY.

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IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS
PART OF CONVERSATION AT HOME.

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IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE
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MY MOM EVEN SAID TO ME A COUPLE
MONTHS AGO, SHE SAID, "DID-- DID

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DIANA EVER DO AN INTERVIEW?"
NOW, NOW, I CAN SAY, "YES, A

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VERY FAMOUS ONE."

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BUT MY MOM DOESN'T EVEN KNOW
THAT, RIGHT?

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>> Oprah: BUT YOU WERE CERTAINLY
AWARE OF THE ROYALS.

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>> Meghan: YEAH, OF COURSE.

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>> Oprah: AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO
MARRY A ROYAL, THEN YOU WOULD DO

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RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD
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>> Meghan: WELL, I DIDN'T DO ANY
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MEAN.

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>> Oprah: YOU DIDN'T DO ANY
RESEARCH.

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>> Meghan: NO.

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I'VE NEVER LOOKED UP MY HUSBAND
ONLINE.

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I JUST DIDN'T FEEL A NEED TO
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TO KNOW HE WAS SHARING WITH ME,
RIGHT?

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OR EVERYTHING WE THOUGHT I
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ME.

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>> Oprah: SO, YOU DIDN'T HAVE A
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TALKING TO YOUR FRIENDS OR
THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE,

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WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO MARRY A
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OF THAT FAMILY?

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YOU DIDN'T GIVE IT A LOT OF
THOUGHT?

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>> Meghan: NO.

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WE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT WE THOUGHT
IT MIGHT BE.

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>> Oprah: YEAH.

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WHICH IS?

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THAT'S WHAT-- THAT'S WHAT I'M
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>> Meghan: YEAH, I DIDN'T FULLY
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RIGHT?

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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A
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WHAT DO YOU DO?

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WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

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I KNEW THAT HE AND I WERE VERY
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CAUSE-DRIVEN WORK.

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THAT WAS PART OF OUR INITIAL
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ABOUT IN OUR-- THE BEGINNING OF
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BUT I THINK THERE WAS NO WAY TO
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>> Oprah: YEAH.

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>> Meghan: AND IT'S SO
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ROMANTICIZE ANY ELEMENT OF IT.

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BUT I THINK AS AMERICANS,
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ABOUT THE ROYALS?

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IT'S WHAT YOU READ IN FAIRY
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>> Oprah: RIGHT.

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>> Meghan: YOU THINK IT'S WHAT
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RIGHT?

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>> Oprah: RIGHT.

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>> Meghan: SO, IT'S EASY TO HAVE
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YEARS, IS WHEN THE PERCEPTION
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DIFFERENT THINGS, AND YOU'RE
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BUT YOU'RE LIVING THE REALITY
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>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

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>> Meghan: THERE'S A COMPLETE
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TO EXPLAIN THAT TO PEOPLE.

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>> Oprah: WELL, YOU KNOW, IN
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SERIOUS WHEN YOU ARE BROUGHT IN
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GRANDMOTHER.

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>> Meghan: MM-HMM.

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>> Oprah: AND IN EVERYBODY'S
FAMILY WHO'S WATCHING RIGHT

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>> Meghan: YES.

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>> Oprah: ...THE GRANDMOTHER IS
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FAMILIES AS "THE QUEEN."

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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AND SHE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
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>> Oprah: IN YOUR SITUATION,
IT'S THE QUEEN.

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>> Meghan: THE REAL QUEEN, YEAH.

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>> Oprah: THE REAL QUEEN THAT
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AND WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

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WERE YOU WORRIED ABOUT MAKING
THE RIGHT IMPRESSION?

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>> Meghan: THERE WASN'T ACTUALLY
A HUGE FORMALITY THE FIRST TIME

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I-- WE WERE GOING TO LUNCH AT
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SPECIFICALLY, ANDREW AND FERGIE
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SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE.

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AND EUGENIE AND I HAD KNOWN EACH
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SO THAT WAS COMFORTABLE, AND WE
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COUPLE.

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SERVICE THERE IN WINDSOR, AND SO
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HOUSE.

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AND I REMEMBER HARRY AND I ARE
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WELL, MY-- MY GRANDMOTHER'S
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HER."

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I LOVE GRAND-- I LOVED MY
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I USED TO TAKE CARE OF MY
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THIS IS GREAT."

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HE GOES, "RIGHT, DO YOU KNOW HOW
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"WHAT?"
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CURTSY?"
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THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE.

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>> Oprah: YEAH.

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>> Meghan: I THOUGHT THAT WAS
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>> Oprah: UH-HUH.

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>> Meghan: I DIDN'T THINK THAT'S
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AND I SAID, "BUT IT'S YOUR
GRANDMOTHER."

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HE GOES, "IT'S THE QUEEN."

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>> Oprah: WOW.

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>> Meghan: AND THAT WAS REALLY
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DROPPED, THAT THIS WASN'T-- IT
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>> Oprah: SO, DID YOU GOOGLE HOW

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>> Meghan: NO, WE WERE IN THE
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<i>( LAUGHTER )</i>
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WE'RE FIVE MINUTES FROM
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>> Oprah: HOW DOES ONE CURTSY?

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YES.

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>> Meghan: DEEPLY, TO SHOW
RESPECT.

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AND I LEARNED IT VERY QUICKLY,
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WE JUST PRACTICED AND THEN
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>> Oprah: YOU AND HARRY
PRACTICED.

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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AND FERGIE RAN OUT, AND SHE
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DO YOU KNOW HOW TO CURTSY?"
I SAID, "OH, MY GOODNESS, YOU

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GUYS."

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AND SO, I PRACTICED REALLY
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AND, APPARENTLY, I-- I
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>> Oprah: ( LAUGHS )
>> Meghan: ...AND I DON'T

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REMEMBER IT.

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AND THEN, WE JUST SAT THERE, AND
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AND-- AND IT WAS LOVELY AND EASY
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HADN'T KNOWN A LOT ABOUT THE
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THANK GOD I HADN'T RESEARCHED.

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I WOULD HAVE BEEN SO IN MY HEAD
ABOUT ALL OF IT.

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I WOULD HAVE HAD A--
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BASICALLY, WHAT YOU'RE SHARING
WITH US IS THAT YOU-- YOU WERE

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NO MORE NERVOUS THAN THE REGULAR
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SOMEBODY'S GRANDMOTHER.

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YOU WEREN'T THAT INTIMIDATED
BECAUSE IT WAS THE QUEEN.

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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I THINK IT'S-- I THINK IT'S TWO
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IT'S-- I HAD CONFUSED THE IDEA
OF, WELL, I GREW UP IN L.A.

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YOU SEE CELEBRITIES ALL THE
TIME.

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>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

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>> Meghan: THIS IS NOT THE SAME,
RIGHT?

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BUT IT'S VERY EASY, I THINK,
ESPECIALLY AS AN AMERICAN, TO

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GO, "OH, THESE ARE FAMOUS
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IT'S LIKE, "NO, THIS IS-- THIS
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BALLGAME."

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WERE YOU SILENT?

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OR WERE YOU SILENCED?

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HERE?

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WHAT'S THE WORD?

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>> Meghan: PEACE.

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>> Oprah: PEACE.

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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>> Oprah: THE DAY AFTER OUR
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HARRY AND MEGHAN'S NEW HOME.

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>> Meghan: HI, GUY.

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>> Oprah: HI, GUY.

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>> Meghan: YEAH, GUY'S BEEN--
GUY'S BEEN THROUGH EVERYTHING

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I MEAN--
>> Oprah: YEAH, HE-- FROM THE

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FROM THE VERY FIRST DATE, YEAH.

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>> Meghan: IF GUY-- I MEAN, I
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I GOT HIM FROM A KILL SHELTER IN
KENTUCKY.

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>> Oprah: YEAH.

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>> Meghan: HI, GIRLS!

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>> Oprah: WE PUT ON OUR WELLIES
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HARRY RECENTLY RESCUED FROM A
FACTORY FARM.

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I LOVE YOUR LITTLE DESIGNER
HOUSE HERE.

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"ARCHIE'S CHICK INN."

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OH, HOW CUTE IS THAT?

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>> Prince Harry: SHE'S ALWAYS
WANTED CHICKENS.

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>> Meghan: WELL, YOU KNOW, I
JUST LOVE RESCUING.

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>> Oprah: SO, THIS IS A PART OF
YOUR NEW LIFE.

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WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED ABOUT?

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>> Meghan: WHOOP!

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YOU'RE OKAY.

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>> Oprah: WHAT ARE YOU MOST
EXCITED ABOUT IN THE NEW LIFE?

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WHAT ARE YOU MOST EXCITED ABOUT?

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HERE, CHICK, CHICK, CHICK,
CHICK.

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>> Meghan: I THINK JUST BEING
ABLE TO LIVE AUTHENTICALLY.

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>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

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>> Meghan: RIGHT?

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LIKE THIS KIND OF STUFF.

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IT'S SO-- IT'S SO BASIC, BUT
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GETTING BACK DOWN TO BASICS.

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I MEAN, I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT.

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EVEN AT OUR WEDDING, YOU KNOW,
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WE GOT MARRIED.

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>> Oprah: AH!

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>> Meghan: NO ONE KNOWS THAT.

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BUT WE CALLED THE ARCHBISHOP,
AND WE JUST SAID, "LOOK, THIS

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THING, THIS SPECTACLE IS FOR THE
WORLD, BUT WE WANT OUR UNION

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BETWEEN US."

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SO, LIKE, THE VOWS THAT WE HAVE
FRAMED IN OUR ROOM ARE JUST THE

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TWO OF US IN OUR BACKYARD WITH
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AND THAT WAS THE PIECE THAT--
>> Prince Harry: JUST THE THREE

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OF US.

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>> Oprah: REALLY.

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>> Prince Harry: JUST THE
THREE OF US.

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>> Meghan: JUST THE THREE OF US.

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>> Oprah: YOU KNOW, THE WEDDING
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YOU KNOW, ANYBODY'S EVER SEEN.

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BUT THROUGH THAT PICTURE THAT WE
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SCENES, OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A
LOT OF DRAMA GOING ON.

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AND SOON AFTER YOUR MARRIAGE,
THE TABLOIDS STARTED OFFERING

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STORIES THAT PAINTED A NOT-SO-
FLATTERING PICTURE OF YOU IN

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YOUR NEW WORLD.

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THERE WERE RUMORS ABOUT YOU
BEING "HURRICANE MEGHAN."

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>> Meghan: I HADN'T HEARD THAT.

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>> Oprah: OKAY.

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>> Oprah: SO, THERE WERE RUMORS
ABOUT YOU BEING "HURRICANE

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MEGHAN" FOR THE DEPARTURE OF
SEVERAL HIGH-PROFILE PALACE

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STAFF MEMBERS.

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AND THERE WAS ALSO A STORY-- DID
YOU HEAR THIS ONE-- ABOUT YOU

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MAKING KATE MIDDLETON CRY?

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>> Meghan: THIS I HEARD ABOUT.

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>> Oprah: YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT.

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OKAY.

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>> Meghan: THIS WAS-- THAT WAS
A-- THAT WAS A TURNING POINT.

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>> Oprah: THAT WAS A TURNING
POINT.

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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>> Oprah: SIX MONTHS AFTER HARRY
AND MEGHAN'S WEDDING, HEADLINES

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BEGAN TO SWIRL ABOUT A RIFT
BETWEEN MEGHAN AND HER

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SISTER-IN-LAW, THE DUCHESS OF
CAMBRIDGE, KATE MIDDLETON.

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IT WAS REPORTED THAT MEGHAN HAD
LEFT KATE "IN TEARS" OVER THE

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BRIDE-TO-BE'S "STRICT DEMANDS"
OVER FLOWER GIRL DRESSES.

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>> Meghan: THE NARRATIVE WITH--
WITH KATE-- WHICH DIDN'T

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HAPPEN-- WAS REALLY, REALLY
DIFFICULT AND SOMETHING THAT-- I

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THINK THAT'S WHEN EVERYTHING
CHANGED, REALLY.

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>> Oprah: YOU SAY THE NARRATIVE
WITH KATE, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

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SO, SPECIFICALLY, DID YOU MAKE
KATE CRY?

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>> Meghan: NO.

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>> Oprah: SO, WHERE DID THAT
COME FROM?

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>> Meghan:<i> ( SIGHS )</i>
>> Oprah: WAS THERE A SITUATION

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WHERE SHE MIGHT HAVE CRIED?

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OR SHE COULD HAVE CRIED?

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>> Meghan: NO, NO.

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THE REVERSE HAPPENED.

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AND I DON'T SAY THAT TO BE
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IT WAS A REALLY HARD WEEK OF THE
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AND SHE WAS UPSET ABOUT
SOMETHING, BUT SHE OWNED IT,

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AND SHE APOLOGIZED.

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AND SHE BROUGHT ME FLOWERS AND A
NOTE, APOLOGIZING.

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AND SHE DID WHAT I WOULD DO IF
I KNEW THAT I HURT SOMEONE,

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RIGHT, TO JUST TAKE
ACCOUNTABILITY FOR IT.

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WHAT WAS SHOCKING WAS-- WHAT WAS
THAT, SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AFTER

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OUR WEDDING?

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>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

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>> Meghan: THAT THE REVERSE OF
THAT WOULD BE OUT IN THE WORLD?

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>> Oprah: THE STORY CAME OUT
SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AFTER IT

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ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

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>> Meghan: YEAH.

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>> Oprah: SO, WHEN YOU SAY--
>> Meghan: I WOULD HAVE NEVER

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WANTED THAT TO COME OUT ABOUT
HER EVER, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD

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I PROTECTED THAT FROM EVER BEING
OUT IN THE WORLD.

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>> Oprah: SO, WHEN YOU SAY THE
REVERSE HAPPENED, EXPLAIN TO US

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WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT.

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>> Meghan: A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE
WEDDING, SHE WAS UPSET ABOUT

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SOMETHING PERTAINING-- YES, THE
ISSUE WAS CORRECT-- ABOUT FLOWER

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GIRL DRESSES, AND IT MADE ME
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AND I THOUGHT, IN THE CONTEXT OF
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ON IN THOSE DAYS LEADING TO THE
WEDDING, THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE

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SENSE TO NOT BE JUST DOING
WHATEVER-- WHAT EVERYONE ELSE

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WAS DOING, WHICH WAS TRYING TO
BE SUPPORTIVE, KNOWING WHAT

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WAS GOING ON WITH MY DAD AND
WHATNOT.

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>> Oprah: THIS WAS A REALLY BIG
STORY AT THE TIME, THAT YOU MADE

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KATE CRY.

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NOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU DIDN'T
MAKE KATE CRY.

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KATE MADE YOU CRY.

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SO, WE ALL WANT TO KNOW, WHAT
WOULD MAKE YOU CRY?

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WHAT-- WHA-- WHAT WERE YOU GOING
THROUGH-- YOU WERE GOING

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THROUGH ALL OF THE ANXIETY THAT
BRIDES GO THROUGH PUTTING THEIR

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WEDDING TOGETHER AND GOING
THROUGH ALL OF THE ISSUES WITH

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YOUR FATHER: WAS HE COMING?

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WAS HE NOT COMING?

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>> Meghan: MM.

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>> Oprah: AND THERE WAS A
CONFRONTATION OVER THE-- THE

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DRESSES.

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>> Meghan: IT WASN'T A
CONFRONTATION, AND I ACTUALLY

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THINK IT'S-- I DON'T THINK IT'S
FAIR TO HER TO GET INTO THE

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DETAILS OF THAT, BECAUSE SHE
APOLOGIZED.

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>> Oprah: OKAY.

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>> Meghan: AND I'VE FORGIVEN
HER, RIGHT?

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>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

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>> Meghan: WHAT WAS HARD TO GET
OVER WAS BEING BLAMED FOR

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SOMETHING THAT NOT ONLY I DIDN'T
DO BUT THAT HAPPENED TO ME.

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AND-- AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
PART OF OUR WEDDING GOING TO

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OUR COMS TEAM AND SAYING, "I
KNOW THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN.

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I DON'T HAVE TO TELL THEM WHAT
ACTUALLY HAPPENED"--

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>> Oprah: OKAY.

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>> Meghan: --"BUT I CAN AT LEAST
GO ON THE RECORD AND SAY SHE

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DIDN'T MAKE HER CRY."

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AND THEY WERE ALL TOLD THE
SAME--

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>> Oprah: SO, ALL THE TIME THE
STORIES WERE OUT THAT YOU HAD

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MADE KATE CRY, YOU KNEW ALL
ALONG, AND PEOPLE AROUND YOU

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KNEW THAT THAT WASN'T TRUE.

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>> Meghan: EVERYONE IN THE
INSTITUTION KNEW IT WASN'T TRUE.

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>> Oprah: SO, WHY DIDN'T
SOMEBODY JUST SAY THAT?

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>> Meghan: THAT'S A GOOD
QUESTION.

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>> Oprah: HMM.

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>> Meghan: I'M NOT SHARING THAT
PIECE ABOUT KATE IN ANY WAY TO

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BE DISPARAGING TO HER.

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I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE

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TRUTH.

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>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

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>> Meghan: BUT ALSO I THINK A
LOT OF IT THAT WAS FED INTO BY

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THE MEDIA.

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AND, LOOK, I-- I WOULD HOPE THAT
SHE WOULD HAVE WANTED THAT

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CORRECTED, AND MAYBE IN THE SAME
WAY THAT THE PALACE WOULDN'T LET

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ANYBODY ELSE--
>> Oprah: YEAH.

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>> Meghan: --NEGATE IT, THEY
WOULDN'T LET HER, BECAUSE SHE'S

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A GOOD PERSON.

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AND I THINK SO MUCH OF WHAT I
HAVE SEEN PLAY OUT IS THIS IDEA

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OF POLARITY, WHERE IF YOU LOVE
ME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HATE HER.

440
00:16:01.627 --> 00:16:03.712
AND IF YOU LOVE HER, YOU DON'T
NEED TO HATE ME.

441
00:16:03.796 --> 00:16:05.005
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

442
00:16:05.089 --> 00:16:09.385
YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SEVERAL
STORIES THAT COMPARED HEADLINES

443
00:16:09.468 --> 00:16:10.469
WRITTEN ABOUT YOU TO THOSE
WRITTEN ABOUT KATE.

444
00:16:10.552 --> 00:16:11.887
>> Meghan: MM.

445
00:16:11.970 --> 00:16:13.055
>> Oprah: SINCE YOU DON'T READ
THINGS, LET ME JUST TELL YOU

446
00:16:13.138 --> 00:16:14.848
WHAT WAS SAID.

447
00:16:14.932 --> 00:16:16.058
>> Meghan: OKAY.

448
00:16:16.141 --> 00:16:20.062
>> Oprah: THERE WERE STORIES
WHERE KATE WAS BEING PRAISED FOR

449
00:16:20.145 --> 00:16:21.689
HOLDING HER BABY BUMP.

450
00:16:21.772 --> 00:16:22.898
>> Meghan: OH, GOSH, HAVE I DONE
IT SINCE WE'VE BEEN SITTING

451
00:16:22.981 --> 00:16:24.066
DOWN?

452
00:16:24.149 --> 00:16:24.942
>> Oprah: YES, YOU-- YOU'VE BEEN
DOING IT THE WHOLE TIME.

453
00:16:25.025 --> 00:16:26.276
>> Meghan: PROBABLY.

454
00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:27.528
OKAY.

455
00:16:27.611 --> 00:16:29.071
>> Oprah: KATE WAS PRAISED FOR
CRADLING HER BABY BUMP, AND THE

456
00:16:29.154 --> 00:16:34.368
HEADLINE ABOUT YOU DOING THE
SAME THING SAID, "MEGHAN CAN'T

457
00:16:34.451 --> 00:16:37.913
KEEP HANDS OFF HER BABY BUMP FOR
PRIDE OR VANITY."

458
00:16:37.996 --> 00:16:40.082
>> Meghan: WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO
DO WITH PRIDE OR VANITY?

459
00:16:40.165 --> 00:16:41.792
>> Oprah: WELL, I'M JUST-- I'M
JUST TELLING YOU ABOUT THE

460
00:16:41.875 --> 00:16:42.584
STORIES, OKAY?

461
00:16:42.668 --> 00:16:44.378
>> Meghan: OKAY, I HEAR YOU.

462
00:16:44.461 --> 00:16:49.758
>> Oprah: THEN, THERE WAS A
WHOLE ONLINE PIECE ABOUT THIS:

463
00:16:49.842 --> 00:16:51.385
KATE EATING AVOCADOS TO HELP
WITH MORNING SICKNESS.

464
00:16:51.468 --> 00:16:52.094
>> Meghan:<i> ( LAUGHS )</i>
I HEARD-- OKAY, I HEARD ABOUT

465
00:16:52.177 --> 00:16:54.596
THE AVOCADO ONE.

466
00:16:54.680 --> 00:16:56.056
>> Oprah: BUT YOU WERE EATING
AVOCADOS--

467
00:16:56.140 --> 00:16:59.601
>> Meghan: AND FUELING MURDER,
APPARENTLY.

468
00:16:59.685 --> 00:17:04.690
>> Oprah: --WOLFING DOWN A FRUIT
LINKED TO WATER SHORTAGES,

469
00:17:04.773 --> 00:17:08.110
ILLEGAL DEFORESTATION, AND
ENVIRONMENTAL DEVASTATION.

470
00:17:08.193 --> 00:17:10.612
THERE WAS-- SEEMS-- THERE SEEMS
TO BE-- THERE WAS A--

471
00:17:10.696 --> 00:17:11.655
>> Meghan: THAT'S A REALLY
LOADED PIECE OF TOAST.

472
00:17:11.739 --> 00:17:16.994
<i>( LAUGHTER )</i>
I MEAN, CAN YOU EVEN-- YOU HAVE

473
00:17:17.077 --> 00:17:19.246
TO LAUGH AT A CERTAIN POINT,
BECAUSE IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.

474
00:17:19.329 --> 00:17:22.958
>> Oprah: THAT'S GOOD, "THAT'S A
LOADED PIECE OF TOAST."

475
00:17:23.041 --> 00:17:23.417
IT'S ABOUT DEFORESTATION AND--
>> Meghan: OH, MAN!

476
00:17:23.500 --> 00:17:25.586
>> Oprah: OH, WOW.

477
00:17:25.669 --> 00:17:30.299
SO, DO YOU THINK THERE WAS A
STANDARD FOR KATE IN GENERAL AND

478
00:17:30.382 --> 00:17:31.467
A SEPARATE ONE FOR YOU?

479
00:17:31.550 --> 00:17:39.808
AND IF SO, WHY?

480
00:17:39.892 --> 00:17:43.896
>> Meghan: I DON'T KNOW WHY.

481
00:17:43.979 --> 00:17:45.147
I CAN SEE NOW WHAT LAYERS WERE
AT PLAY THERE.

482
00:17:45.230 --> 00:17:48.817
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

483
00:17:48.901 --> 00:17:53.113
>> Meghan: AND, AGAIN, THEY
REALLY SEEMED TO WANT A

484
00:17:53.197 --> 00:17:55.199
NARRATIVE OF A HERO AND A
VILLAIN.

485
00:17:55.282 --> 00:17:56.825
>> Oprah: YEAH.

486
00:17:56.909 --> 00:18:02.790
YOU CAME IN AS THE FIRST MIXED-
RACE PERSON TO MARRY INTO THE

487
00:18:02.873 --> 00:18:09.713
FAMILY, AND DID THAT CONCERN YOU
IN BEING ABLE TO FIT IN?

488
00:18:14.092 --> 00:18:14.635
AMERICAN.

489
00:18:14.718 --> 00:18:16.678
YOU CAME IN AS AN ACTRESS.

490
00:18:16.762 --> 00:18:17.721
YOU CAME IN AS A DIVORCEE.

491
00:18:17.805 --> 00:18:20.724
YOU CAME IN AS AN INDEPENDENT
WOMAN.

492
00:18:20.808 --> 00:18:23.018
YOU CAME IN AS THE FIRST MIXED-
RACE PERSON TO MARRY INTO THE

493
00:18:23.101 --> 00:18:24.728
FAMILY.

494
00:18:24.812 --> 00:18:25.854
AND YOURS WAS A DIFFERENT STORY.

495
00:18:25.938 --> 00:18:27.689
>> Meghan: MM.

496
00:18:27.773 --> 00:18:31.735
>> Oprah: AND DID THAT CONCERN
YOU IN-- IN BEING ABLE TO FIT

497
00:18:31.819 --> 00:18:32.569
IN?

498
00:18:32.653 --> 00:18:34.655
DID-- DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT
AT ALL?

499
00:18:34.738 --> 00:18:37.199
>> Meghan: WELL, I THOUGHT ABOUT
IT BECAUSE THEY MADE ME THINK

500
00:18:37.282 --> 00:18:38.575
ABOUT IT.

501
00:18:38.659 --> 00:18:39.535
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

502
00:18:39.618 --> 00:18:42.204
>> Meghan: RIGHT?

503
00:18:42.287 --> 00:18:43.997
BUT I THINK, AT THE SAME TIME
NOW, UPON REFLECTION, THANK GOD

504
00:18:44.081 --> 00:18:45.165
ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE TRUE.

505
00:18:45.249 --> 00:18:46.875
THANK GOD I HAD THAT LIFE
EXPERIENCE.

506
00:18:46.959 --> 00:18:51.672
THANK GOD I HAD KNOWN THE VALUE
OF WORKING.

507
00:18:51.755 --> 00:18:53.257
MY FIRST JOB WAS WHEN I WAS 13,
AT A FROZEN YOGURT SHOP CALLED

508
00:18:53.340 --> 00:18:55.217
HUMPHREY YOGART.

509
00:18:55.300 --> 00:18:57.177
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

510
00:18:57.261 --> 00:18:59.221
>> Meghan: I'VE ALWAYS WORKED.

511
00:18:59.304 --> 00:19:02.516
I'VE ALWAYS VALUED INDEPENDENCE.

512
00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:04.101
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OUTSPOKEN,
ESPECIALLY ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

513
00:19:04.184 --> 00:19:09.022
I MEAN, THAT'S THE SAD IRONY OF
THE LAST FOUR YEARS IS I'VE

514
00:19:09.106 --> 00:19:15.696
ADVOCATED FOR SO LONG FOR WOMEN
TO USE THEIR VOICE, AND THEN I

515
00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:17.114
WAS SILENT.

516
00:19:17.197 --> 00:19:19.825
>> Oprah: WERE YOU SILENT?

517
00:19:19.908 --> 00:19:22.202
OR WERE YOU SILENCED?

518
00:19:22.286 --> 00:19:24.204
>> Meghan: THE LATTER.

519
00:19:24.288 --> 00:19:27.249
>> Oprah: SO, HOW DOES THAT
WORK?

520
00:19:27.332 --> 00:19:34.381
WERE YOU TOLD BY THE COMS PEOPLE
OR THE-- I DON'T KNOW-- THE

521
00:19:34.464 --> 00:19:37.301
INSTITUTION, THE-- WERE-- WERE
YOU TOLD TO KEEP SILENT?

522
00:19:37.384 --> 00:19:41.388
HOW WERE YOU TOLD TO HANDLE
TABLOIDS OR GOSSIP?

523
00:19:41.471 --> 00:19:43.182
WERE YOU-- WERE YOU TOLD TO SAY
NOTHING?

524
00:19:43.265 --> 00:19:48.437
>> Meghan: EVERYONE FROM--
EVERYONE IN MY WORLD WAS GIVEN

525
00:19:48.520 --> 00:19:51.398
VERY CLEAR DIRECTIVE FROM THE
MOMENT THE WORLD KNEW HARRY AND

526
00:19:51.481 --> 00:19:58.405
I WERE DATING TO ALWAYS SAY "NO
COMMENT."

527
00:19:58.488 --> 00:19:59.448
THAT'S MY FRIENDS, MY MOM AND
DAD.

528
00:19:59.531 --> 00:19:59.948
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

529
00:20:00.032 --> 00:20:00.616
>> Meghan: AND WE DID.

530
00:20:00.699 --> 00:20:01.575
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

531
00:20:01.658 --> 00:20:03.285
>> Meghan: I DID ANYTHING THEY
TOLD ME TO DO.

532
00:20:03.368 --> 00:20:04.953
OF COURSE I DID, BECAUSE IT WAS
ALSO THROUGH THE LENS OF "AND

533
00:20:05.037 --> 00:20:06.622
WE'LL PROTECT YOU."

534
00:20:06.705 --> 00:20:09.917
SO, EVEN AS THINGS STARTED TO
ROLL OUT IN THE MEDIA THAT I

535
00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.463
DIDN'T SEE BUT MY FRIENDS WOULD
CALL ME AND SAY, "MEG, THIS IS

536
00:20:14.546 --> 00:20:16.465
REALLY BAD," BECAUSE I DIDN'T
SEE IT, I'D GO, "DON'T WORRY.

537
00:20:16.548 --> 00:20:16.840
I'M BEING PROTECTED."

538
00:20:16.924 --> 00:20:17.466
>> Oprah: MM.

539
00:20:17.549 --> 00:20:22.971
>> Meghan: I BELIEVED THAT.

540
00:20:23.055 --> 00:20:28.977
AND-- AND I THINK THAT WAS--
THAT WAS REALLY HARD TO

541
00:20:29.061 --> 00:20:32.981
RECONCILE BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY--
IT WAS ONLY ONCE WE WERE MARRIED

542
00:20:33.065 --> 00:20:38.487
AND EVERYTHING STARTED TO REALLY
WORSEN THAT I CAME TO UNDERSTAND

543
00:20:38.570 --> 00:20:44.826
THAT NOT ONLY WAS I NOT BEING
PROTECTED BUT THAT THEY WERE

544
00:20:44.910 --> 00:20:47.829
WILLING TO LIE TO PROTECT OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY, BUT THEY

545
00:20:47.913 --> 00:20:49.331
WEREN'T WILLING TO TELL THE
TRUTH TO PROTECT ME AND MY

546
00:20:49.414 --> 00:20:52.000
HUSBAND.

547
00:20:52.084 --> 00:20:59.049
>> Oprah: SO, ARE YOU SAYING YOU
DID NOT FEEL SUPPORTED BY THE

548
00:20:59.132 --> 00:21:07.975
POWERS THAT BE, BE THAT THE
FIRM, THE MONARCHY, ALL OF THEM?

549
00:21:08.058 --> 00:21:10.227
>> Meghan: IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE
TO DISTINGUISH THE TWO BECAUSE

550
00:21:10.310 --> 00:21:10.686
THERE'S-- IT'S A FAMILY
BUSINESS, RIGHT?

551
00:21:10.769 --> 00:21:12.813
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

552
00:21:12.896 --> 00:21:14.189
>> Meghan: SO, THERE'S THE
FAMILY, AND THEN THERE'S THE

553
00:21:14.272 --> 00:21:16.191
PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THE
INSTITUTION.

554
00:21:16.274 --> 00:21:17.484
THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

555
00:21:17.567 --> 00:21:21.446
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO
COMPARTMENTALIZE THAT, BECAUSE

556
00:21:21.530 --> 00:21:25.701
THE QUEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, HAS
ALWAYS BEEN WONDERFUL TO ME.

557
00:21:25.784 --> 00:21:29.204
I MEAN, WE HAD ONE OF OUR FIRST
JOINT ENGAGEMENTS TOGETHER.

558
00:21:29.288 --> 00:21:30.372
SHE ASKED ME TO JOIN HER, AND I
REM--

559
00:21:30.455 --> 00:21:31.039
>> Oprah: WAS THIS ON THE TRAIN?

560
00:21:31.123 --> 00:21:32.791
>> Meghan: YEAH, ON THE TRAIN.

561
00:21:32.874 --> 00:21:34.042
>> Oprah: YEAH.

562
00:21:34.126 --> 00:21:35.293
>> Meghan: AND WE HAD BREAKFAST
TOGETHER THAT MORNING, AND SHE'D

563
00:21:35.377 --> 00:21:38.213
GIVEN ME A BEAUTIFUL GIFT, AND I
JUST REALLY LOVED BEING IN HER

564
00:21:38.296 --> 00:21:39.256
COMPANY.

565
00:21:39.339 --> 00:21:40.507
AND I REMEMBER WE WERE IN THE
CAR--

566
00:21:40.590 --> 00:21:42.217
>> Oprah: CAN YOU SHARE WHAT THE
GIFT WAS, OR--

567
00:21:42.300 --> 00:21:44.344
>> Meghan: YES.

568
00:21:44.428 --> 00:21:45.554
SHE GAVE ME SOME BEAUTIFUL PEARL
EARRINGS AND A MATCHING

569
00:21:45.637 --> 00:21:48.223
NECKLACE.

570
00:21:48.307 --> 00:21:53.895
AND WE WERE IN THE CAR GOING
BETWEEN ENGAGEMENTS, AND SHE HAS

571
00:21:53.979 --> 00:21:57.357
A BLANKET THAT SITS ACROSS HER--
HER KNEES FOR WARMTH.

572
00:21:57.441 --> 00:22:00.110
AND IT WAS CHILLY, AND SHE WAS
LIKE, "MEGHAN, COME ON," AND PUT

573
00:22:00.193 --> 00:22:01.361
IT OVER MY KNEES, AS WELL.

574
00:22:01.445 --> 00:22:01.820
>> Oprah: OH, NICE!

575
00:22:01.903 --> 00:22:04.448
>> Meghan: RIGHT?

576
00:22:04.531 --> 00:22:06.950
JUST MOMENTS OF-- AND IT MADE ME
THINK OF MY GRANDMOTHER WHERE

577
00:22:07.034 --> 00:22:08.577
SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN WARM AND
INVITING AND-- AND REALLY

578
00:22:08.660 --> 00:22:09.619
WELCOMING.

579
00:22:09.703 --> 00:22:11.580
>> Oprah: SO, OKAY, SO SHE MADE
YOU FEEL WELCOMED.

580
00:22:11.663 --> 00:22:12.497
>> Meghan: YES.

581
00:22:12.581 --> 00:22:15.792
>> Oprah: DID YOU FEEL WELCOMED
BY EVERYONE?

582
00:22:15.876 --> 00:22:18.545
IT SEEMED LIKE YOU AND KATE AT
THE WIMBLEDON-- WIMBLEDON GAME

583
00:22:18.628 --> 00:22:20.589
WHERE YOU WERE GOING TO WATCH A
FRIEND PLAY TENNIS...

584
00:22:20.672 --> 00:22:22.591
>> Meghan: ( LAUGHS )
>> Oprah: ...WAS IT WHAT IT

585
00:22:22.674 --> 00:22:25.385
LOOKED LIKE?

586
00:22:25.469 --> 00:22:27.888
YOU ARE TWO SISTERS-IN-LAW OUT
THERE IN THE WORLD, GETTING TO

587
00:22:27.971 --> 00:22:30.307
KNOW EACH OTHER.

588
00:22:30.390 --> 00:22:34.144
WAS SHE HELPING YOU, EMBRACING
YOU INTO THE FAMILY, HELPING YOU

589
00:22:34.227 --> 00:22:35.020
ADJUST?

590
00:22:35.103 --> 00:22:37.272
>> Meghan: I THINK EVERYONE
WELCOMED ME.

591
00:22:37.355 --> 00:22:41.943
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

592
00:22:42.027 --> 00:22:45.697
>> Meghan: AND-- AND, YEAH, AND
MO-- WHEN YOU SAY "WAS IT WHAT

593
00:22:45.781 --> 00:22:47.491
IT LOOKED LIKE?" MY
UNDERSTANDING AND MY EXPERIENCE

594
00:22:47.574 --> 00:22:52.746
OF THE PAST FOUR YEARS IS IT'S
NOTHING LIKE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

595
00:22:52.829 --> 00:22:53.955
IT'S NOTHING LIKE WHAT IT LOOKS
LIKE.

596
00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:59.461
AND I-- AND I REMEMBER SO OFTEN
PEOPLE WITHIN THE FIRM WOULD

597
00:22:59.544 --> 00:23:02.422
SAY, "WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THIS
BECAUSE IT'LL LOOK LIKE THAT.

598
00:23:02.506 --> 00:23:03.548
YOU CAN'T"--
SO, EVEN, "CAN I GO AND HAVE

599
00:23:03.632 --> 00:23:04.925
LUNCH WITH MY FRIENDS?"
"NO, NO, NO.

600
00:23:05.008 --> 00:23:05.384
YOU'RE OVERSATURATED.

601
00:23:05.467 --> 00:23:06.551
YOU'RE EVERYWHERE.

602
00:23:06.635 --> 00:23:07.928
IT WOULD BE BEST FOR YOU TO NOT
GO OUT TO LUNCH WITH YOUR

603
00:23:08.011 --> 00:23:10.097
FRIENDS."

604
00:23:10.180 --> 00:23:12.641
I GO, "WELL, I HAVEN'T-- I
HAVEN'T LEFT THE HOUSE IN

605
00:23:12.724 --> 00:23:13.892
MONTHS."

606
00:23:13.975 --> 00:23:16.144
I MEAN, THERE WAS A DAY THAT ONE
OF THE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY,

607
00:23:16.228 --> 00:23:19.815
SHE CAME OVER, AND SHE SAID,
"WHY DON'T YOU JUST LAY LOW FOR

608
00:23:19.898 --> 00:23:25.153
A LITTLE WHILE, BECAUSE YOU ARE
EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW."

609
00:23:25.237 --> 00:23:28.323
AND I SAID, "I'VE LEFT THE HOUSE
TWICE IN FOUR MONTHS.

610
00:23:28.406 --> 00:23:33.161
I'M EVERYWHERE, BUT I AM
NOWHERE."

611
00:23:33.245 --> 00:23:36.790
AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I
CONTINUED TO SAY TO PEOPLE, "I

612
00:23:36.873 --> 00:23:39.501
KNOW THERE'S AN OBSESSION WITH
HOW THINGS LOOK, BUT HAS ANYONE

613
00:23:39.584 --> 00:23:41.503
TALKED ABOUT HOW IT FEELS?

614
00:23:41.586 --> 00:23:43.463
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I COULD NOT
FEEL LONELIER."

615
00:23:43.547 --> 00:23:46.508
>> Oprah: HMM.

616
00:23:46.591 --> 00:23:49.719
YOU WERE FEELING LONELY, EVEN
THOUGH YOUR-- YOUR PRINCE,

617
00:23:49.803 --> 00:23:51.513
YOU'RE IN LOVE, YOU'RE WITH
HIM.

618
00:23:51.596 --> 00:23:52.806
>> Meghan: I'M NOT LONELY-- I
WASN'T LONELY WITH HIM.

619
00:23:52.889 --> 00:23:54.015
>> Oprah: YEAH.

620
00:23:54.099 --> 00:23:55.809
>> Meghan: THERE WERE MOMENTS
THAT HE HAD TO WORK OR HE HAD TO

621
00:23:55.892 --> 00:23:56.893
GO AWAY.

622
00:23:56.977 --> 00:24:01.481
THERE'S-- THERE'S MOMENTS IN THE
MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

623
00:24:01.565 --> 00:24:03.358
AND SO, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE
THAT I WAS ALLOWED TO DO.

624
00:24:03.442 --> 00:24:04.693
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

625
00:24:04.776 --> 00:24:06.903
>> Meghan: AND SO, YEAH, OF
COURSE THAT BREEDS LONELINESS

626
00:24:06.987 --> 00:24:09.072
WHEN YOU'VE COME FROM SUCH A
FULL LIFE OR WHEN YOU'VE COME

627
00:24:09.156 --> 00:24:10.365
FROM FREEDOM.

628
00:24:10.448 --> 00:24:12.742
I-- I THINK THE EASIEST WAY THAT
NOW PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND IT IS

629
00:24:12.826 --> 00:24:14.578
WHAT WE'VE ALL GONE THROUGH IN
LOCKDOWN.

630
00:24:14.661 --> 00:24:16.163
>> Oprah: YEAH.

631
00:24:16.246 --> 00:24:17.581
WELL, EVERYBODY CAN CERTAINLY
RELATE NOW.

632
00:24:17.664 --> 00:24:23.920
>> Meghan: IN THOSE MONTHS WHEN
I WAS PREGNANT, ALL AROUND THIS

633
00:24:24.004 --> 00:24:26.548
SAME TIME, SO WE HAVE IN TANDEM
THE CONVERSATION OF "HE WON'T BE

634
00:24:26.631 --> 00:24:28.049
GIVEN SECURITY.

635
00:24:28.133 --> 00:24:32.596
HE'S NOT GOING TO BE GIVEN A
TITLE," AND ALSO CONCERNS AND

636
00:24:32.679 --> 00:24:36.892
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW DARK HIS
SKIN MIGHT BE WHEN HE'S BORN.

637
00:24:36.975 --> 00:24:40.979
>> Oprah: WHAT?

638
00:24:47.777 --> 00:24:54.409
ASKED IF I'M OKAY, BUT IT'S A
VERY REAL THING TO BE GOING

639
00:24:54.492 --> 00:24:57.120
THROUGH BEHIND THE SCENES.

640
00:24:57.204 --> 00:25:01.750
>> AND THE ANSWER IS, WOULD IT
BE FAIR TO SAY, "NOT REALLY

641
00:25:01.833 --> 00:25:02.584
OKAY," AS IN IT'S REALLY BEEN A
STRUGGLE?

642
00:25:02.667 --> 00:25:06.546
>> Meghan: YES.

643
00:25:06.630 --> 00:25:10.717
>> Oprah: WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO
SAY, IN SOUTH AFRICA, WHEN THE

644
00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:11.968
REPORTER STOPPED AND ASKED "ARE
YOU OKAY..."

645
00:25:12.052 --> 00:25:15.096
>> Meghan: MM.

646
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:16.890
>> Oprah: AND, WHOO, WE ALL FELT
THAT.

647
00:25:16.973 --> 00:25:20.727
WHY DID THAT QUESTION STRIKE
SUCH A NERVE?

648
00:25:20.810 --> 00:25:23.647
WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH YOU
INTERNALLY AT THAT TIME?

649
00:25:23.730 --> 00:25:28.568
>> Meghan: THAT WAS THE LAST DAY
OF THE TOUR.

650
00:25:28.652 --> 00:25:30.570
YOU KNOW, THOSE TOURS ARE-- I'M
SURE THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL

651
00:25:30.654 --> 00:25:33.531
PICTURES AND IT LOOKS VIBRANT,
AND ALL OF THAT IS TRUE.

652
00:25:33.615 --> 00:25:35.784
IT'S ALSO REALLY EXHAUSTING.

653
00:25:35.867 --> 00:25:41.289
SO, I WAS FRIED, AND I THINK IT
JUST HIT ME SO HARD BECAUSE WE

654
00:25:41.373 --> 00:25:45.126
WERE MAKING IT LOOK LIKE
EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

655
00:25:45.210 --> 00:25:49.923
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WERE
REALLY SURPRISED TO SEE THAT

656
00:25:50.006 --> 00:25:50.382
THERE WAS PAIN THERE...

657
00:25:50.465 --> 00:25:51.299
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

658
00:25:51.383 --> 00:25:54.302
>> Meghan: ...BECAUSE WE WERE
DOING OUR JOB.

659
00:25:54.386 --> 00:25:57.138
OUR JOB WAS TO BE ON AND TO
SMILE.

660
00:25:57.222 --> 00:26:01.685
AND SO, WHEN HE ASKED ME THAT, I
GUESS I HAD FELT THAT IT HAD

661
00:26:01.768 --> 00:26:06.815
NEVER OCCURRED TO ANYONE THAT
I-- THAT I WASN'T OKAY AND THAT

662
00:26:06.898 --> 00:26:07.983
I HAD REALLY BEEN SUFFERING.

663
00:26:08.066 --> 00:26:10.151
AND I HAD KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME
AND HAD BEEN ASKING THE

664
00:26:10.235 --> 00:26:12.279
INSTITUTION FOR HELP FOR QUITE
A LONG TIME.

665
00:26:12.362 --> 00:26:19.536
>> Oprah: HELP FOR WHAT?

666
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:22.122
>> Meghan: AFTER WE HAD GOTTEN
BACK FROM OUR AUSTRALIA TOUR--

667
00:26:22.205 --> 00:26:28.378
WHICH WAS ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE
THAT-- AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN

668
00:26:28.461 --> 00:26:30.672
THINGS REALLY STARTED TO TURN,
WHEN I KNEW WE WEREN'T BEING

669
00:26:30.755 --> 00:26:31.881
PROTECTED.

670
00:26:31.965 --> 00:26:37.304
AND IT WAS DURING THAT PART OF
MY PREGNANCY, ESPECIALLY, THAT I

671
00:26:37.387 --> 00:26:39.014
STARTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR
CONTINUED REALITY WAS GOING TO

672
00:26:39.097 --> 00:26:40.140
LOOK LIKE.

673
00:26:40.223 --> 00:26:44.019
>> Oprah: WHAT KIND OF
PROTECTION DID YOU WANT THAT YOU

674
00:26:44.102 --> 00:26:47.022
FEEL YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE?

675
00:26:47.105 --> 00:26:53.528
>> Meghan: I MEAN, THEY WOULD GO
ON THE RECORD AND NEGATE THE

676
00:26:53.611 --> 00:26:57.198
MOST RIDICULOUS STORY FOR
ANYONE, RIGHT?

677
00:26:57.282 --> 00:27:00.493
I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT
ARE SUPER ARTIFICIAL AND

678
00:27:00.577 --> 00:27:02.704
INCONSEQUENTIAL.

679
00:27:02.787 --> 00:27:05.707
BUT THE NARRATIVE ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, MAKING KATE CRY I THINK

680
00:27:05.790 --> 00:27:06.708
WAS THE BEGINNING OF A REAL
CHARACTER ASSASSINATION.

681
00:27:06.791 --> 00:27:09.627
AND THEY KNEW IT WASN'T TRUE.

682
00:27:09.711 --> 00:27:11.713
AND I THOUGHT, WELL, IF THEY'RE
NOT GOING TO KILL THINGS LIKE

683
00:27:11.796 --> 00:27:17.552
THAT, THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING
TO DO?

684
00:27:17.635 --> 00:27:19.095
SEPARATE FROM THAT, AND WHAT WAS
HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS

685
00:27:19.179 --> 00:27:20.764
WAS, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW I WAS
PREGNANT.

686
00:27:20.847 --> 00:27:22.140
WE NOW KNOW IT'S ARCHIE, AND IT
WAS A BOY.

687
00:27:22.223 --> 00:27:24.684
WE DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THAT AT
THE TIME.

688
00:27:24.768 --> 00:27:28.021
WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT AS
ARCHIE NOW.

689
00:27:28.104 --> 00:27:32.192
AND THAT WAS WHEN THEY WERE
SAYING THEY DIDN'T WANT HIM TO

690
00:27:32.275 --> 00:27:34.569
BE A PRINCE OR A PRINCESS-- NOT
KNOWING WHAT THE GENDER WOULD

691
00:27:34.652 --> 00:27:38.406
BE, WHICH WOULD BE DIFFERENT
FROM PROTOCOL-- AND THAT HE

692
00:27:38.490 --> 00:27:40.700
WASN'T GOING TO RECEIVE
SECURITY.

693
00:27:40.784 --> 00:27:43.078
>> Oprah: WHAT?

694
00:27:43.161 --> 00:27:44.204
>> Meghan: IT WAS REALLY HARD.

695
00:27:44.287 --> 00:27:45.205
>> Oprah: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

696
00:27:45.288 --> 00:27:49.584
>> Meghan: HE WASN'T GOING TO
RECEIVE SECURITY.

697
00:27:49.667 --> 00:27:53.797
THIS WENT ON FOR THE LAST FEW
MONTHS OF OUR PREGNANCY WHERE

698
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:55.924
I'M GOING, "HOLD ON A SECOND."

699
00:27:56.007 --> 00:27:59.594
>> Oprah: THAT YOUR SON AND
HARRY-- PRINCE HARRY'S SON WAS

700
00:27:59.677 --> 00:28:01.096
NOT GOING TO RECEIVE SECURITY?

701
00:28:01.179 --> 00:28:01.638
>> Meghan: THAT'S RIGHT.

702
00:28:01.721 --> 00:28:03.556
I KNOW.

703
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.058
>> Oprah: HOW-- BUT HOW DOES
THAT WORK?

704
00:28:05.141 --> 00:28:06.768
>> Meghan: HOW DOES THAT WORK?

705
00:28:06.851 --> 00:28:09.104
IT'S LIKE, "NO, NO, NO, LOOK--
BECAUSE IF HE'S NOT GOING TO BE

706
00:28:09.187 --> 00:28:12.107
A PRINCE," IT'S LIKE, OKAY,
WELL, HE NEEDS TO BE SAFE, SO

707
00:28:12.190 --> 00:28:14.484
WE'RE NOT SAYING "DON'T MAKE HIM
A PRINCE OR A PRINCESS"--

708
00:28:14.567 --> 00:28:15.735
WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE.

709
00:28:15.819 --> 00:28:20.448
BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THE TITLE
IS WHAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEIR

710
00:28:20.532 --> 00:28:25.662
PROTECTION, WE HAVEN'T CREATED
THIS MONSTER MACHINE AROUND US

711
00:28:25.745 --> 00:28:27.789
IN TERMS OF CLICKBAIT AND
TABLOID FODDER.

712
00:28:27.872 --> 00:28:32.460
YOU'VE ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN,
WHICH MEANS OUR SON NEEDS TO BE

713
00:28:32.544 --> 00:28:33.169
SAFE.

714
00:28:33.253 --> 00:28:36.297
OUR--
>> Oprah: SO, HOW DO THEY

715
00:28:36.381 --> 00:28:40.802
EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT YOUR SON,
THE GRANDSON, THE GREAT-GRANDSON

716
00:28:40.885 --> 00:28:44.013
OF THE QUEEN--
>> Meghan: MM-HMM.

717
00:28:44.097 --> 00:28:45.640
>> Oprah: --IS NOT GOING TO
HAVE-- HE WASN'T GOING TO BE A

718
00:28:45.723 --> 00:28:52.105
PRINCE?

719
00:28:52.188 --> 00:28:52.814
HOW DID THEY TELL YOU THAT?

720
00:28:52.897 --> 00:28:53.815
AND WHAT REASONS DID THEY GIVE?

721
00:28:53.898 --> 00:28:55.775
AND THEN SAY, "AND SO,
THEREFORE, YOU'RE NOT-- YOU

722
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:56.693
DON'T NEED PROTECTION"?

723
00:28:56.776 --> 00:28:57.652
>> Meghan: THERE'S-- THERE'S NO
EXPLANATION.

724
00:28:57.735 --> 00:28:58.862
>> Oprah: HMM.

725
00:28:58.945 --> 00:29:00.155
>> Meghan: THERE'S NO VERSION--
I MEAN, THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE

726
00:29:00.238 --> 00:29:00.822
OF THAT.

727
00:29:00.905 --> 00:29:02.991
>> Oprah: WHO TELLS YOU THAT?

728
00:29:03.074 --> 00:29:05.785
>> Meghan: I HEARD A LOT OF IT
THROUGH HARRY AND THEN OTHER

729
00:29:05.869 --> 00:29:06.244
PARTS OF IT THROUGH
CONVERSATIONS WITH--

730
00:29:06.327 --> 00:29:06.870
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

731
00:29:06.953 --> 00:29:08.955
>> Meghan: --FAMILY MEMBERS.

732
00:29:09.038 --> 00:29:13.084
AND IT WAS A DECISION THAT THEY
FELT WAS APPROPRIATE.

733
00:29:13.168 --> 00:29:16.880
AND I THOUGHT, WELL--
>> Oprah: WAS THE TITLE-- WAS

734
00:29:16.963 --> 00:29:19.674
HIM BEING CALLED A PRINCE,
ARCHIE BEING CALLED A PRINCE,

735
00:29:19.757 --> 00:29:22.302
WAS THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU?

736
00:29:22.385 --> 00:29:23.470
>> Meghan: IF IT MEANT HE WAS
GOING TO BE SAFE, THEN, OF

737
00:29:23.553 --> 00:29:24.804
COURSE.

738
00:29:24.888 --> 00:29:27.557
ALL THE GRANDEUR SURROUNDING
THIS STUFF IS AN ATTACHMENT THAT

739
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.852
I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE, RIGHT?

740
00:29:30.935 --> 00:29:32.770
I'VE BEEN A WAITRESS, AN
ACTRESS, A PRINCESS, A DUCHESS.

741
00:29:32.854 --> 00:29:36.441
I'VE ALWAYS JUST STILL BEEN
MEGHAN, RIGHT?

742
00:29:36.524 --> 00:29:38.902
SO, FOR ME, I'M CLEAR ON WHO I
AM, INDEPENDENT OF ALL THAT

743
00:29:38.985 --> 00:29:40.028
STUFF.

744
00:29:40.111 --> 00:29:41.654
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT TITLE
I WILL EVER HAVE IS "MOM."

745
00:29:41.738 --> 00:29:45.492
I KNOW THAT.

746
00:29:45.575 --> 00:29:50.205
BUT THE IDEA OF OUR SON NOT
BEING SAFE, AND ALSO THE IDEA OF

747
00:29:50.288 --> 00:29:56.336
THE FIRST MEMBER OF COLOR IN
THIS FAMILY NOT BEING TITLED IN

748
00:29:56.419 --> 00:29:59.589
THE SAME WAY THAT OTHER
GRANDCHILDREN WOULD BE.

749
00:29:59.672 --> 00:30:03.510
YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PIECE OF
THAT CONVERSATION IS, THERE'S A

750
00:30:03.593 --> 00:30:04.719
CONVENTION-- I FORGET IF IT WAS
GEORGE V OR GEORGE VI

751
00:30:04.802 --> 00:30:09.849
CONVENTION-- THAT WHEN YOU'RE
THE GRANDCHILD OF THE MONARCH--

752
00:30:09.933 --> 00:30:14.896
SO WHEN HARRY'S DAD BECOMES
KING-- AUTOMATICALLY ARCHIE AND

753
00:30:14.979 --> 00:30:17.524
OUR NEXT BABY WOULD BECOME
PRINCE OR PRINCESS, OR WHATEVER

754
00:30:17.607 --> 00:30:18.733
THEY WERE GOING TO BE.

755
00:30:18.816 --> 00:30:22.111
>> Oprah: SO, FOR YOU, IT'S
ABOUT PROTECTION AND SAFETY, NOT

756
00:30:22.195 --> 00:30:24.614
SO MUCH AS WHAT THE-- WHAT THE
TITLE MEANS TO THE WORLD.

757
00:30:24.697 --> 00:30:25.823
>> Meghan: THAT'S A HUGE PIECE
OF IT, BUT, I MEAN, BUT--

758
00:30:25.907 --> 00:30:27.909
>> Oprah: AND THAT HAVING THE
TITLE GIVES YOU THE SAFETY AND

759
00:30:27.992 --> 00:30:29.118
PROTECTION.

760
00:30:29.202 --> 00:30:31.412
>> Meghan: YEAH, BUT ALSO IT'S
NOT THEIR RIGHT TO TAKE IT AWAY.

761
00:30:31.496 --> 00:30:31.871
>> Oprah: YEAH.

762
00:30:31.955 --> 00:30:33.122
>> Meghan: RIGHT?

763
00:30:33.206 --> 00:30:35.291
AND SO, I THINK EVEN WITH THAT
CONVENTION I'M TALKING ABOUT,

764
00:30:35.375 --> 00:30:37.001
WHILE I WAS PREGNANT, THEY SAID
THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE

765
00:30:37.085 --> 00:30:38.586
CONVENTION FOR ARCHIE.

766
00:30:38.670 --> 00:30:40.380
>> Oprah: MM.

767
00:30:40.463 --> 00:30:42.215
>> Meghan: WELL, WHY?

768
00:30:42.298 --> 00:30:42.590
>> Oprah: DID YOU GET AN ANSWER?

769
00:30:42.674 --> 00:30:43.466
>> Meghan: NO.

770
00:30:43.550 --> 00:30:44.592
>> Oprah: YOU STILL DON'T HAVE
AN ANSWER?

771
00:30:44.676 --> 00:30:45.718
>> Meghan: NO.

772
00:30:45.802 --> 00:30:48.763
>> Oprah: YOU KNOW, WE HAD
HEARD-- THE WORLD, THOSE OF US

773
00:30:48.846 --> 00:30:53.601
OUT HERE READING THE THINGS OR
HEARING THE THINGS-- THAT IT WAS

774
00:30:53.685 --> 00:30:56.771
YOU AND HARRY WHO DIDN'T WANT
ARCHIE TO HAVE A PRINCE TITLE.

775
00:30:56.854 --> 00:30:57.939
SO, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IS
NOT TRUE?

776
00:30:58.022 --> 00:30:59.899
>> Meghan: NO, AND IT'S NOT OUR
DECISION TO MAKE, RIGHT?

777
00:30:59.983 --> 00:31:02.443
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

778
00:31:02.527 --> 00:31:08.116
>> Meghan: I-- EVEN THOUGH I
HAVE A LOT OF CLARITY ON WHAT

779
00:31:08.199 --> 00:31:11.619
COMES WITH THE TITLES, GOOD AND
BAD-- AND, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, A

780
00:31:11.703 --> 00:31:12.954
LOT OF PAIN--
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

781
00:31:13.037 --> 00:31:17.333
>> Meghan: --I, AGAIN, WOULDN'T
WISH PAIN ON MY CHILD, BUT THAT

782
00:31:17.417 --> 00:31:19.460
IS THEIR BIRTHRIGHT TO THEN MAKE
A CHOICE ABOUT.

783
00:31:19.544 --> 00:31:24.090
>> Oprah: OKAY, SO IT FEELS TO
ME LIKE THINGS STARTED TO CHANGE

784
00:31:24.173 --> 00:31:27.010
WHEN YOU AND HARRY DECIDED THAT
YOU WERE NOT GOING TO TAKE THE

785
00:31:27.093 --> 00:31:31.472
PICTURE THAT HAD BEEN A PART OF
THE TRADITION FOR YEARS AND--

786
00:31:31.556 --> 00:31:33.308
>> Meghan: WE WEREN'T ASKED TO
TAKE A PICTURE.

787
00:31:33.391 --> 00:31:35.977
THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE SPIN
THAT WAS REALLY DAMAGING.

788
00:31:36.060 --> 00:31:40.648
I THOUGHT, CAN YOU JUST TELL
THEM THE TRUTH?

789
00:31:40.732 --> 00:31:42.859
CAN YOU SAY TO THE WORLD YOU'RE
NOT GIVING HIM A TITLE, AND WE

790
00:31:42.942 --> 00:31:43.985
WANT TO KEEP HIM SAFE, AND THAT
IF HE'S NOT A PRINCE, THEN IT'S

791
00:31:44.068 --> 00:31:47.030
NOT PART OF THE TRADITION?

792
00:31:47.113 --> 00:31:48.197
JUST TELL PEOPLE, AND THEN
THEY'LL UNDERSTAND.

793
00:31:48.281 --> 00:31:49.657
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

794
00:31:49.741 --> 00:31:51.159
>> Meghan: BUT THEY WOULDN'T DO
THAT.

795
00:31:51.242 --> 00:31:53.536
>> Oprah: BUT YOU WERE-- YOU
BOTH, OBVIOUSLY, WERE AWARE THAT

796
00:31:53.620 --> 00:31:55.913
THAT HAD BEEN A PART OF THE
TRADITION.

797
00:31:55.997 --> 00:32:00.335
AND THERE WAS A-- WAS THERE A
SPECIFIC REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T

798
00:32:00.418 --> 00:32:03.504
WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT
TRADITION?

799
00:32:03.588 --> 00:32:08.509
I THINK MANY PEOPLE INTERPRETED
THAT AS YOU WERE BOTH SAYING,

800
00:32:08.593 --> 00:32:10.219
"WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS OUR
WAY.

801
00:32:10.303 --> 00:32:12.138
WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS IN A
DIFFERENT WAY."

802
00:32:12.221 --> 00:32:13.640
>> Meghan: THAT'S NOT IT AT ALL.

803
00:32:13.723 --> 00:32:17.393
I MEAN, I THINK WHAT WAS REALLY
HARD-- SO, PICTURE, NOW THAT YOU

804
00:32:17.477 --> 00:32:19.187
KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON BEHIND
THE SCENES, RIGHT?

805
00:32:19.270 --> 00:32:22.357
THERE WAS A LOT OF FEAR
SURROUNDING IT.

806
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.860
I WAS VERY SCARED OF HAVING TO
OFFER UP OUR BABY, KNOWING THAT

807
00:32:25.943 --> 00:32:26.235
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE KEPT
SAFE.

808
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.030
>> Oprah: MM.

809
00:32:29.113 --> 00:32:31.032
YOU CERTAINLY MUST HAVE HAD SOME
CONVERSATIONS WITH HARRY ABOUT

810
00:32:31.115 --> 00:32:38.373
IT AND HAVE YOUR OWN SUSPICIONS
AS TO WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO

811
00:32:38.456 --> 00:32:40.208
MAKE ARCHIE A PRINCE.

812
00:32:40.291 --> 00:32:43.378
WHAT ARE-- WHAT ARE THOSE
THOUGHTS?

813
00:32:43.461 --> 00:32:46.214
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

814
00:32:46.297 --> 00:32:48.549
DO YOU THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF HIS
RACE?

815
00:32:48.633 --> 00:32:50.760
>> Meghan:<i> ( SIGHS )</i>
>> Oprah: AND I KNOW THAT'S A

816
00:32:50.843 --> 00:32:53.262
LOADED QUESTION, BUT...

817
00:32:53.346 --> 00:32:56.933
>> Meghan: BUT I CAN GIVE YOU AN
HONEST ANSWER.

818
00:32:57.016 --> 00:33:03.564
IN THOSE MONTHS WHEN I WAS
PREGNANT, ALL AROUND THIS SAME

819
00:33:03.648 --> 00:33:07.276
TIME-- SO WE HAVE IN TANDEM THE
CONVERSATION OF "HE WON'T BE

820
00:33:07.360 --> 00:33:14.909
GIVEN SECURITY, HE'S NOT GOING
TO BE GIVEN A TITLE," AND ALSO

821
00:33:14.992 --> 00:33:16.744
CONCERNS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
HOW DARK HIS SKIN MIGHT BE WHEN

822
00:33:16.828 --> 00:33:20.748
HE'S BORN.

823
00:33:20.832 --> 00:33:23.918
>> Oprah: WHAT?

824
00:33:24.001 --> 00:33:28.589
>> Meghan: AND--
>> Oprah: WHO-- WHO IS HAVING

825
00:33:28.673 --> 00:33:33.761
THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU?

826
00:33:33.845 --> 00:33:37.140
WHAT?

827
00:33:37.223 --> 00:33:41.978
>> Meghan: SO--
>> Oprah: THERE IS A

828
00:33:42.061 --> 00:33:42.645
CONVERSATION-- HOLD ON.

829
00:33:42.729 --> 00:33:42.937
HOLD UP.

830
00:33:43.020 --> 00:33:43.396
HOLD UP.

831
00:33:43.479 --> 00:33:44.522
STOP RIGHT NOW.

832
00:33:44.605 --> 00:33:44.856
>> Meghan: THERE WERE-- THERE
WERE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS

833
00:33:44.939 --> 00:33:45.773
ABOUT IT.

834
00:33:45.857 --> 00:33:49.777
>> Oprah: THERE'S A CONVERSATION
WITH YOU--

835
00:33:49.861 --> 00:33:51.988
>> Meghan: WITH HARRY.

836
00:33:52.071 --> 00:33:54.240
>> Oprah: --ABOUT HOW DARK YOUR
BABY IS GOING TO BE?

837
00:33:54.323 --> 00:33:57.118
>> Meghan: POTENTIALLY, AND WHAT
THAT WOULD MEAN OR LOOK LIKE.

838
00:33:57.201 --> 00:34:01.622
>> Oprah: WHOO.

839
00:34:01.706 --> 00:34:05.251
AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL ME
WHO HAD THE CONVERSATION?

840
00:34:05.334 --> 00:34:08.504
>> Meghan: I THINK THAT WOULD BE
VERY DAMAGING TO THEM.

841
00:34:08.588 --> 00:34:10.381
>> Oprah: OKAY.

842
00:34:10.465 --> 00:34:11.966
SO, HOW-- HOW DOES ONE HAVE THAT
MEETING?

843
00:34:12.049 --> 00:34:13.134
<i>( CHUCKLES )</i>
>> Meghan: THAT WAS RELAYED TO

844
00:34:13.217 --> 00:34:16.345
ME FROM HARRY.

845
00:34:16.429 --> 00:34:21.100
THOSE WERE CONVERSATIONS THAT
FAMILY HAD WITH HIM.

846
00:34:21.184 --> 00:34:24.145
AND I THINK--
>> Oprah: WHOA.

847
00:34:24.228 --> 00:34:26.647
>> Meghan: --IT WAS REALLY HARD
TO BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE AS

848
00:34:26.731 --> 00:34:27.815
COMPARTMENTALIZED CONVERSATIONS.

849
00:34:27.899 --> 00:34:31.152
>> Oprah: BECAUSE THEY WERE
CONCERNED THAT IF HE WERE TOO

850
00:34:31.235 --> 00:34:33.321
BROWN, THAT THAT WOULD BE A
PROBLEM?

851
00:34:33.404 --> 00:34:36.866
ARE YOU SAYING THAT?

852
00:34:36.949 --> 00:34:38.326
>> Meghan: I WASN'T ABLE TO
FOLLOW UP WITH WHY, BUT THAT--

853
00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:41.496
IF THAT'S THE ASSUMPTION YOU'RE
MAKING, I THINK THAT FEELS LIKE

854
00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:42.789
A PRETTY SAFE ONE, WHICH WAS
REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND,

855
00:34:42.872 --> 00:34:44.665
RIGHT?

856
00:34:44.749 --> 00:34:51.047
ESPECIALLY WHEN-- LOOK, I-- THE
COMMONWEALTH IS A HUGE PART OF

857
00:34:51.130 --> 00:34:54.175
THE MONARCHY, AND I LIVED IN
CANADA, WHICH IS A COMMONWEALTH

858
00:34:54.258 --> 00:34:55.468
COUNTRY, FOR SEVEN YEARS.

859
00:34:55.551 --> 00:34:59.514
BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL HARRY AND I
WERE TOGETHER THAT WE STARTED TO

860
00:34:59.597 --> 00:35:01.182
TRAVEL THROUGH THE COMMONWEALTH,
I WOULD SAY 60%, 70% OF WHICH IS

861
00:35:01.265 --> 00:35:02.642
PEOPLE OF COLOR, RIGHT?

862
00:35:02.725 --> 00:35:04.227
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

863
00:35:04.310 --> 00:35:07.188
>> Meghan: AND GROWING UP AS A
WOMAN OF COLOR, AS A LITTLE GIRL

864
00:35:07.271 --> 00:35:12.193
OF COLOR, I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT
REPRESENTATION IS.

865
00:35:12.276 --> 00:35:14.654
I KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO SEE
SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE YOU IN

866
00:35:14.737 --> 00:35:15.196
CERTAIN POSITIONS.

867
00:35:15.279 --> 00:35:16.322
>> Oprah: OBVIOUSLY.

868
00:35:16.405 --> 00:35:17.532
>> Meghan: EVEN-- EVEN ARCHIE.

869
00:35:17.615 --> 00:35:21.369
LIKE, WE READ THESE BOOKS, AND
NOW HE'S BEEN-- THERE'S ONE LINE

870
00:35:21.452 --> 00:35:23.496
IN ONE THAT GOES, "IF YOU CAN
SEE IT, YOU CAN BE IT."

871
00:35:23.579 --> 00:35:28.376
AND HE GOES, "YOU CAN BE IT!"
AND I THINK ABOUT THAT SO OFTEN,

872
00:35:28.459 --> 00:35:33.506
ESPECIALLY IN THE CONTEXT OF
THESE YOUNG GIRLS, BUT EVEN

873
00:35:33.589 --> 00:35:37.176
GROWN WOMEN AND MEN WHO WHEN I
WOULD MEET THEM IN OUR TIME IN

874
00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:40.513
THE COMMONWEALTH, HOW MUCH IT
MEANT TO THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEE

875
00:35:40.596 --> 00:35:41.222
SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE THEM...

876
00:35:41.305 --> 00:35:42.265
>> Oprah: MM.

877
00:35:42.348 --> 00:35:44.183
>> Meghan: ...IN THIS POSITION.

878
00:35:44.267 --> 00:35:47.562
AND I COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW
IT WOULDN'T BE SEEN AS AN ADDED

879
00:35:47.645 --> 00:35:48.020
BENEFIT...

880
00:35:48.104 --> 00:35:52.358
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

881
00:35:52.441 --> 00:35:54.402
>> Meghan: ...AND A REFLECTION
OF THE WORLD TODAY.

882
00:35:54.485 --> 00:35:57.196
AT ALL TIMES, BUT ESPECIALLY
RIGHT NOW, TO GO-- HOW INCLUSIVE

883
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:01.409
IS THAT, THAT YOU CAN SEE
SOMEONE WHO LOOKS LIKE YOU IN

884
00:36:01.492 --> 00:36:03.452
THIS FAMILY, MUCH LESS ONE WHO'S
BORN INTO IT?

885
00:36:03.536 --> 00:36:07.373
>> Oprah: WHAT WAS ACTUALLY
GOING ON?

886
00:36:07.456 --> 00:36:10.251
"ALMOST UNSURVIVABLE" SOUNDS
LIKE THERE WAS A BREAKING POINT.

887
00:36:10.334 --> 00:36:14.213
>> Meghan: I JUST DIDN'T SEE A
SOLUTION.

888
00:36:21.721 --> 00:36:26.100
ROYAL FAMILY IN 2018, SHE BECAME
THE TARGET OF UNRELENTING,

889
00:36:26.183 --> 00:36:28.394
PERVASIVE ATTACKS.

890
00:36:28.477 --> 00:36:31.480
>> RACIST ABUSE ONLINE AIMED AT
MEGHAN MARKLE.

891
00:36:31.564 --> 00:36:34.942
>> THERE WERE UNDENIABLE RACIST
OVERTONES.

892
00:36:35.026 --> 00:36:37.153
THIS STANDS APART FROM THE KIND
OF COVERAGE WE'VE SEEN OF ANY

893
00:36:37.236 --> 00:36:38.738
OTHER ROYAL.

894
00:36:38.821 --> 00:36:42.408
>> Oprah: THERE WAS CONSTANT
CRITICISM, BLATANT SEXIST AND

895
00:36:42.491 --> 00:36:45.411
RACIST REMARKS BY BRITISH
TABLOIDS AND INTERNET TROLLS.

896
00:36:45.494 --> 00:36:47.455
>> WE HAVE SEEN THE RACISM
TOWARDS HER PLAY OUT IN REAL

897
00:36:47.538 --> 00:36:49.123
TIME.

898
00:36:49.206 --> 00:36:50.791
>> REFERRING TO HER AS "STRAIGHT
OUTTA COMPTON."

899
00:36:50.875 --> 00:36:53.419
>> Oprah: THE DAILY ONSLAUGHT OF
VITRIOL AND CONDEMNATION FROM

900
00:36:53.502 --> 00:36:57.256
THE U.K. PRESS BECAME
OVERWHELMING AND, IN MEGHAN'S

901
00:36:57.340 --> 00:37:01.969
WORDS, "ALMOST UNSURVIVABLE."

902
00:37:02.053 --> 00:37:09.477
YOU'D SAID IN A PODCAST THAT IT
BECAME "ALMOST UNSURVIVABLE,"

903
00:37:09.560 --> 00:37:12.605
AND THAT STRUCK ME, BECAUSE IT
SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE IN SOME

904
00:37:12.688 --> 00:37:14.982
KIND OF MENTAL TROUBLE.

905
00:37:15.066 --> 00:37:17.985
WHAT WAS ACTUALLY GOING ON?

906
00:37:18.069 --> 00:37:20.112
"ALMOST UNSURVIVABLE" SOUNDS
LIKE THERE WAS A BREAKING POINT.

907
00:37:20.196 --> 00:37:23.532
>> Meghan: YEAH, THERE WAS.

908
00:37:23.616 --> 00:37:27.870
I JUST DIDN'T SEE A SOLUTION.

909
00:37:27.954 --> 00:37:30.331
I WOULD SIT UP AT NIGHT, AND I
WAS JUST, LIKE, I DON'T

910
00:37:30.414 --> 00:37:32.291
UNDERSTAND HOW ALL OF THIS IS
BEING CHURNED OUT.

911
00:37:32.375 --> 00:37:37.546
AND, AGAIN, I WASN'T SEEING IT,
BUT IT'S ALMOST WORSE WHEN YOU

912
00:37:37.630 --> 00:37:39.340
FEEL IT THROUGH THE EXPRESSION
OF MY MOM OR MY FRIENDS, OR THEM

913
00:37:39.423 --> 00:37:42.969
CALLING ME CRYING, JUST, LIKE,
"MEG, THEY'RE NOT PROTECTING

914
00:37:43.052 --> 00:37:47.223
YOU."

915
00:37:47.306 --> 00:37:48.808
AND I REALIZED THAT IT WAS ALL
HAPPENING JUST BECAUSE I WAS

916
00:37:48.891 --> 00:37:50.017
BREATHING.

917
00:37:50.101 --> 00:37:54.480
>> Oprah: MM.

918
00:37:54.563 --> 00:38:00.027
>> Meghan: AND, LOOK, I WAS
REALLY ASHAMED TO SAY IT AT THE

919
00:38:00.111 --> 00:38:06.158
TIME AND ASHAMED TO HAVE TO
ADMIT IT TO HARRY, ESPECIALLY,

920
00:38:06.242 --> 00:38:07.159
BECAUSE I KNOW HOW MUCH LOSS
HE'S SUFFERED.

921
00:38:07.243 --> 00:38:08.703
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

922
00:38:08.786 --> 00:38:12.540
>> Meghan: BUT I KNEW THAT IF
I DIDN'T SAY IT, THAT I WOULD

923
00:38:12.623 --> 00:38:13.791
DO IT.

924
00:38:13.874 --> 00:38:21.173
AND I-- I JUST DIDN'T-- I JUST
DIDN'T WANT TO BE ALIVE ANYMORE.

925
00:38:21.257 --> 00:38:30.558
AND THAT WAS A VERY CLEAR AND
REAL AND FRIGHTENING CONSTANT

926
00:38:30.641 --> 00:38:34.562
THOUGHT.

927
00:38:34.645 --> 00:38:41.235
AND I REMEMBER-- I REMEMBER HOW
HE JUST CRADLED ME.

928
00:38:41.318 --> 00:38:44.113
AND I WAS-- I WENT TO THE
INSTITUTION, AND I SAID THAT I

929
00:38:44.196 --> 00:38:50.786
NEEDED TO GO SOMEWHERE TO GET
HELP.

930
00:38:50.870 --> 00:38:52.580
I SAID THAT "I'VE NEVER FELT
THIS WAY BEFORE, AND I NEED TO

931
00:38:52.663 --> 00:38:53.831
GO SOMEWHERE."

932
00:38:53.914 --> 00:38:54.874
AND I WAS TOLD THAT I COULDN'T,
THAT IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD FOR THE

933
00:38:54.957 --> 00:38:55.833
INSTITUTION.

934
00:38:55.916 --> 00:38:57.209
AND I CALLED--
>> Oprah: SO, THE INSTITUTION IS

935
00:38:57.293 --> 00:38:58.085
NEVER A PERSON.

936
00:38:58.169 --> 00:38:58.878
OR IS IT A SERIES OF PEOPLE?

937
00:38:58.961 --> 00:38:59.545
>> Meghan: NO, IT'S A PERSON.

938
00:38:59.628 --> 00:39:00.963
>> Oprah: IT'S A PERSON.

939
00:39:01.047 --> 00:39:02.840
>> Meghan: IT'S SEVERAL PEOPLE.

940
00:39:02.923 --> 00:39:04.759
BUT I WENT TO ONE OF THE MOST
SENIOR PEOPLE JUST TO-- TO GET

941
00:39:04.842 --> 00:39:07.470
HELP.

942
00:39:07.553 --> 00:39:16.270
AND THAT-- YOU KNOW, I-- I SHARE
THIS, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY

943
00:39:16.353 --> 00:39:18.939
PEOPLE WHO ARE AFRAID TO VOICE
THAT THEY NEED HELP.

944
00:39:19.023 --> 00:39:21.817
AND I KNOW, PERSONALLY, HOW HARD
IT IS TO NOT JUST VOICE IT, BUT

945
00:39:21.901 --> 00:39:23.736
WHEN YOU VOICE IT, TO BE TOLD
NO.

946
00:39:23.819 --> 00:39:26.072
>> Oprah: WHOO.

947
00:39:26.155 --> 00:39:29.909
>> Meghan: AND SO, I WENT TO
HUMAN RESOURCES, AND I SAID,

948
00:39:29.992 --> 00:39:31.160
"I JUST REALLY-- I NEED HELP."

949
00:39:31.243 --> 00:39:32.328
BECAUSE IN MY OLD JOB, THERE WAS
A UNION, AND THEY WOULD PROTECT

950
00:39:32.411 --> 00:39:34.914
ME.

951
00:39:34.997 --> 00:39:39.668
AND I REMEMBER THIS CONVERSATION
LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY, BECAUSE

952
00:39:39.752 --> 00:39:43.923
THEY SAID, "MY HEART GOES OUT TO
YOU, BECAUSE I SEE HOW BAD IT

953
00:39:44.006 --> 00:39:45.466
IS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN
DO TO PROTECT YOU, BECAUSE

954
00:39:45.549 --> 00:39:48.135
YOU'RE NOT A PAID EMPLOYEE OF
THE INSTITUTION."

955
00:39:48.219 --> 00:39:48.844
>> Oprah: MM.

956
00:39:48.928 --> 00:39:53.140
>> Meghan: THIS WASN'T A CHOICE.

957
00:39:53.224 --> 00:39:57.603
THIS WAS EMAILS AND BEGGING FOR
HELP, SAYING VERY SPECIFICALLY,

958
00:39:57.686 --> 00:40:00.815
"I AM CONCERNED FOR MY MENTAL
WELFARE."

959
00:40:00.898 --> 00:40:02.441
AND PEOPLE GOING, "OH, YES, YES,
IT'S DISPROPORTIONATELY TERRIBLE

960
00:40:02.525 --> 00:40:05.486
WHAT WE SEE OUT THERE TO ANYONE
ELSE."

961
00:40:05.569 --> 00:40:09.490
BUT NOTHING WAS EVER DONE, SO WE
HAD TO FIND A SOLUTION.

962
00:40:09.573 --> 00:40:12.159
>> Oprah: WOW!

963
00:40:12.243 --> 00:40:18.624
"I DON'T WANT TO BE ALIVE
ANYMORE," THAT'S-- THAT'S--

964
00:40:18.707 --> 00:40:19.834
>> Meghan: I THOUGHT IT WOULD
HAVE SOLVED EVERYTHING FOR

965
00:40:19.917 --> 00:40:20.918
EVERYONE, RIGHT?

966
00:40:21.001 --> 00:40:24.463
>> Oprah: SO, WERE YOU THINKING
OF HARMING YOURSELF?

967
00:40:24.547 --> 00:40:26.674
WERE YOU HAVING SUICIDAL
THOUGHTS?

968
00:40:26.757 --> 00:40:27.508
>> Meghan: YES.

969
00:40:27.591 --> 00:40:29.635
THIS WAS VERY, VERY CLEAR.

970
00:40:29.718 --> 00:40:31.011
>> Oprah: WOW.

971
00:40:31.095 --> 00:40:34.515
>> Meghan: VERY CLEAR AND VERY
SCARY.

972
00:40:34.598 --> 00:40:37.226
AND, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHO
TO EVEN TURN TO IN THAT.

973
00:40:37.309 --> 00:40:40.646
AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I
REACHED OUT TO, WHO'S CONTINUED

974
00:40:40.729 --> 00:40:44.525
TO BE A FRIEND AND CONFIDANT,
WAS ONE OF MY HUSBAND'S MOM'S

975
00:40:44.608 --> 00:40:48.696
BEST FRIENDS, ONE OF DIANA'S
BEST FRIENDS.

976
00:40:48.779 --> 00:40:53.826
BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE, WHO ELSE
COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT'S-- WHAT

977
00:40:53.909 --> 00:40:56.537
IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE ON THE
INSIDE?

978
00:40:56.620 --> 00:41:00.040
>> Oprah: DID YOU EVER THINK
ABOUT GOING TO A HOSPITAL?

979
00:41:00.124 --> 00:41:01.417
OR IS THAT POSSIBLE, THAT YOU
CAN CHECK YOURSELF IN SOMEPLACE?

980
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:02.585
>> Meghan: NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS
ASKING TO DO.

981
00:41:02.668 --> 00:41:04.753
>> Oprah: YEAH.

982
00:41:04.837 --> 00:41:08.549
>> Meghan: YOU CAN'T JUST DO
THAT.

983
00:41:08.632 --> 00:41:10.009
I COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, CALL AN
UBER TO THE PALACE.

984
00:41:10.092 --> 00:41:11.093
>> Oprah: YEAH.

985
00:41:11.177 --> 00:41:11.886
>> Meghan: YOU COULDN'T JUST GO.

986
00:41:11.969 --> 00:41:13.429
YOU COULDN'T.

987
00:41:13.512 --> 00:41:17.892
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND,
AS WELL, WHEN I JOINED THAT

988
00:41:17.975 --> 00:41:22.396
FAMILY, THAT WAS THE LAST TIME,
UNTIL WE CAME HERE, THAT I SAW

989
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.108
MY PASSPORT, MY DRIVER'S
LICENSE, MY KEYS.

990
00:41:26.192 --> 00:41:27.276
ALL THAT GETS TURNED OVER.

991
00:41:27.359 --> 00:41:29.904
I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THAT
ANYMORE.

992
00:41:29.987 --> 00:41:35.242
>> Oprah: WELL, THE WAY YOU'RE
DESCRIBING THIS, IT-- IT'S LIKE

993
00:41:35.326 --> 00:41:40.080
YOU WERE TRAPPED AND COULDN'T
GET HELP, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ON

994
00:41:40.164 --> 00:41:41.540
THE VERGE OF SUICIDE.

995
00:41:41.624 --> 00:41:42.750
THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING.

996
00:41:42.833 --> 00:41:43.209
THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.

997
00:41:43.292 --> 00:41:45.920
>> Meghan: YES.

998
00:41:46.003 --> 00:41:48.756
>> Oprah: AND THAT WOULD BE AN
ACCURATE INTERPRETATION, YES?

999
00:41:48.839 --> 00:41:49.381
>> Meghan: THAT'S THE TRUTH.

1000
00:41:49.465 --> 00:41:50.633
>> Oprah: THAT'S THE TRUTH.

1001
00:41:50.716 --> 00:41:58.098
>> Meghan: YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU
THINK ABOUT-- IT WAS ONE OF THE

1002
00:41:58.182 --> 00:42:00.100
THINGS THAT-- IT STILLS HAUNTS
ME IS THIS PHOTOGRAPH THAT

1003
00:42:00.184 --> 00:42:02.603
SOMEONE HAD SENT ME.

1004
00:42:02.686 --> 00:42:08.734
WE HAD TO GO TO AN OFFICIAL
EVENT.

1005
00:42:08.817 --> 00:42:17.451
WE HAD TO GO TO THIS EVENT AT
THE ROYAL ALBERT HALL, AND

1006
00:42:17.534 --> 00:42:19.119
A FRIEND SAID, "I KNOW YOU DON'T
LOOK AT PICTURES, BUT, OH, MY

1007
00:42:19.203 --> 00:42:19.620
GOD, YOU GUYS LOOK SO GREAT..."

1008
00:42:19.703 --> 00:42:20.329
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1009
00:42:20.412 --> 00:42:21.497
>> Meghan: ...AND SENT IT TO ME.

1010
00:42:21.580 --> 00:42:22.957
AND I ZOOMED IN, AND WHAT I SAW
WAS THE TRUTH OF WHAT THAT

1011
00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:27.086
MOMENT WAS, BECAUSE RIGHT BEFORE
WE HAD TO LEAVE FOR THAT, I HAD

1012
00:42:27.169 --> 00:42:31.966
JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH
HARRY THAT MORNING, AND IT WAS

1013
00:42:32.049 --> 00:42:33.092
THE NEXT DAY THAT I TALKED TO
THE INSTITUTION.

1014
00:42:33.175 --> 00:42:34.176
>> Oprah: YOU HAD THE
CONVERSATION "I DON'T WANT TO BE

1015
00:42:34.260 --> 00:42:34.635
ALIVE ANYMORE"?

1016
00:42:34.718 --> 00:42:35.052
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1017
00:42:35.135 --> 00:42:37.596
>> Oprah: WHOO.

1018
00:42:37.680 --> 00:42:39.598
>> Meghan: NO, AND IT WAS-- IT
WASN'T EVEN "I DON'T WANT TO."

1019
00:42:39.682 --> 00:42:42.184
>> Oprah: AND THEN, YOU--
>> Meghan: IT WAS LIKE, "THESE

1020
00:42:42.268 --> 00:42:45.145
ARE THE THOUGHTS THAT I'M HAVING
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THAT

1021
00:42:45.229 --> 00:42:46.313
ARE VERY CLEAR..."

1022
00:42:46.397 --> 00:42:47.439
>> Oprah: YES, CLARIFICATION.

1023
00:42:47.523 --> 00:42:50.025
>> Meghan: "...AND I'M SCARED,
BECAUSE THIS IS VERY REAL.

1024
00:42:50.109 --> 00:42:53.988
THIS ISN'T SOME ABSTRACT IDEA.

1025
00:42:54.071 --> 00:42:57.950
THIS IS METHODICAL, AND THIS IS
NOT WHO I AM."

1026
00:42:58.033 --> 00:42:59.827
BUT WE HAD TO GO TO THIS EVENT,
AND I REMEMBER HIM SAYING, "I

1027
00:42:59.910 --> 00:43:00.661
DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO."

1028
00:43:00.744 --> 00:43:04.832
AND I SAID, "I CAN'T BE LEFT
ALONE."

1029
00:43:04.915 --> 00:43:06.000
>> Oprah: BECAUSE YOU WERE
AFRAID OF WHAT YOU MIGHT DO TO

1030
00:43:06.083 --> 00:43:08.711
YOURSELF?

1031
00:43:08.794 --> 00:43:12.339
>> Meghan: AND WE WENT, AND
THAT--

1032
00:43:12.423 --> 00:43:14.591
>> Oprah: I'M SO SORRY TO HEAR
THAT.

1033
00:43:14.675 --> 00:43:19.680
>> Meghan: AND THAT PICTURE, IF
YOU ZOOM IN, WHAT I SEE IS HOW

1034
00:43:19.763 --> 00:43:22.516
TIGHTLY HIS KNUCKLES ARE GRIPPED
AROUND MINE.

1035
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:26.854
YOU CAN SEE THE WHITES OF OUR
KNUCKLES, BECAUSE WE ARE SMILING

1036
00:43:26.937 --> 00:43:29.690
AND DOING OUR JOB, BUT WE'RE
BOTH JUST TRYING TO HOLD ON.

1037
00:43:29.773 --> 00:43:34.820
AND EVERY TIME THAT THOSE LIGHTS
WENT DOWN IN THAT ROYAL BOX, I

1038
00:43:34.903 --> 00:43:37.323
WAS JUST WEEPING, AND HE WAS
GRIPPING MY HAND.

1039
00:43:37.406 --> 00:43:38.490
>> Oprah: WOW.

1040
00:43:38.574 --> 00:43:42.328
>> Meghan: AND THEN, IT WAS,
"OKAY, INTERMISSION'S COMING,

1041
00:43:42.411 --> 00:43:43.704
THE LIGHTS ARE ABOUT TO COME ON,
EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT US AGAIN,"

1042
00:43:43.787 --> 00:43:45.039
AND YOU HAVE TO JUST BE ON
AGAIN.

1043
00:43:45.122 --> 00:43:46.707
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1044
00:43:46.790 --> 00:43:49.752
>> Meghan: AND THAT'S, I THINK,
SO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO

1045
00:43:49.835 --> 00:43:52.046
REMEMBER IS YOU HAVE NO IDEA
WHAT'S GOING ON FOR SOMEONE

1046
00:43:52.129 --> 00:43:53.881
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

1047
00:43:53.964 --> 00:43:57.384
YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

1048
00:43:57.468 --> 00:44:02.848
EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT SMILE THE
BIGGEST SMILES AND SHINE THE

1049
00:44:02.931 --> 00:44:06.101
BRIGHTEST LIGHTS, IT SEEMS, TO
HAVE COMPASSION FOR WHAT'S

1050
00:44:06.185 --> 00:44:06.602
ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY GOING ON.

1051
00:44:06.685 --> 00:44:08.228
>> Oprah: I KNOW.

1052
00:44:08.312 --> 00:44:09.730
THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING AT YOU.

1053
00:44:09.813 --> 00:44:15.361
AND TO THINK THAT YOU, EARLIER
IN THE DAY, HAD SAID TO HARRY

1054
00:44:15.444 --> 00:44:16.612
THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE ALIVE
ANYMORE.

1055
00:44:16.695 --> 00:44:17.780
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1056
00:44:17.863 --> 00:44:19.615
AND JUST HOURS BEFORE, JUST
SITTING ON THE-- THE STEPS IN

1057
00:44:19.698 --> 00:44:20.908
OUR COTTAGE...

1058
00:44:20.991 --> 00:44:22.743
>> Oprah: MM.

1059
00:44:22.826 --> 00:44:29.083
>> Meghan: ...JUST SITTING THERE
AND-- AND THEN GOING, OKAY,

1060
00:44:29.166 --> 00:44:31.251
WELL, GO UPSTAIRS AND PUT YOUR
MAKEUP BAG IN YOUR SINK AND TRY

1061
00:44:31.335 --> 00:44:32.419
TO PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER.

1062
00:44:32.503 --> 00:44:34.088
>> Oprah: NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO
GO THROUGH THAT.

1063
00:44:34.171 --> 00:44:37.883
AND, YOU KNOW, HARRY AND I ARE
WORKING ON THIS MENTAL HEALTH

1064
00:44:37.966 --> 00:44:39.218
SERIES FOR APPLE, AND WE-- YES,
SO, WE-- WE-- WE HEAR A LOT OF

1065
00:44:39.301 --> 00:44:40.427
THESE STORIES.

1066
00:44:40.511 --> 00:44:42.805
NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH
THAT.

1067
00:44:42.888 --> 00:44:44.098
>> Meghan: IT TAKES SO MUCH
COURAGE TO ADMIT THAT YOU NEED

1068
00:44:44.181 --> 00:44:44.556
HELP.

1069
00:44:44.640 --> 00:44:45.766
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1070
00:44:45.849 --> 00:44:49.478
>> Meghan: IT TAKES SO MUCH
COURAGE TO VOICE THAT.

1071
00:44:49.561 --> 00:44:50.771
AND AS I SAID, I WAS ASHAMED.

1072
00:44:50.854 --> 00:44:51.772
I'M SUPPOSED TO BE STRONGER THAN
THAT.

1073
00:44:51.855 --> 00:44:53.023
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1074
00:44:53.107 --> 00:44:54.775
>> Meghan: I DON'T WANT TO PUT
MORE ON MY HUSBAND'S SHOULDERS.

1075
00:44:54.858 --> 00:44:56.110
HE'S CARRYING THE WEIGHT OF THE
WORLD.

1076
00:44:56.193 --> 00:44:58.070
I DON'T WANT TO BRING THAT TO
HIM.

1077
00:44:58.153 --> 00:45:00.447
I BRING SOLUTIONS.

1078
00:45:00.531 --> 00:45:03.117
TO ADMIT THAT YOU NEED HELP, TO
ADMIT HOW DARK OF A PLACE YOU'RE

1079
00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:04.451
IN.

1080
00:45:04.535 --> 00:45:08.288
>> Oprah: MM.

1081
00:45:08.372 --> 00:45:11.291
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PALACE
HEARING YOU SPEAK YOUR TRUTH

1082
00:45:11.375 --> 00:45:12.334
TODAY?

1083
00:45:12.418 --> 00:45:17.423
ARE YOU AFRAID OF-- OF A
BACKLASH OR THEIR REACTION?

1084
00:45:22.553 --> 00:45:25.556
>> Oprah: YOU'VE SAID SOME
PRETTY SHOCKING THINGS HERE,

1085
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:27.266
REVEALING--
>> Meghan: I WASN'T PLANNING TO

1086
00:45:27.349 --> 00:45:27.683
SAY ANYTHING SHOCKING.

1087
00:45:27.766 --> 00:45:28.684
>> Oprah: OKAY.

1088
00:45:28.767 --> 00:45:29.143
>> Meghan: I'M JUST TELLING YOU
WHAT'S HAPPENED.

1089
00:45:29.226 --> 00:45:31.145
>> Oprah: OKAY.

1090
00:45:31.228 --> 00:45:31.979
>> Meghan: I'M SORRY IF IT'S
SHOCKED YOU!

1091
00:45:32.062 --> 00:45:32.688
IT'S BEEN A LOT!

1092
00:45:32.771 --> 00:45:33.313
>> Oprah: I'M A LITTLE SHOCKED.

1093
00:45:33.397 --> 00:45:34.523
>> Meghan: IT'S BEEN A LOT.

1094
00:45:34.606 --> 00:45:39.111
>> Oprah: HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT
THE PALACE HEARING YOU SPEAK

1095
00:45:39.194 --> 00:45:40.821
YOUR TRUTH TODAY?

1096
00:45:40.904 --> 00:45:46.827
ARE YOU AFRAID OF-- OF A
BACKLASH OR-- OR THEIR REACTION?

1097
00:45:46.910 --> 00:45:49.455
>> Meghan: I MEAN, I THINK I'M
NOT GOING TO LIVE MY LIFE IN

1098
00:45:49.538 --> 00:45:52.708
FEAR.

1099
00:45:52.791 --> 00:45:56.462
YOU KNOW, I THINK SO MUCH OF IT
IS SAID WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF

1100
00:45:56.545 --> 00:45:58.422
JUST TRUTH.

1101
00:45:58.505 --> 00:45:59.548
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1102
00:45:59.631 --> 00:46:06.513
>> Meghan: BUT I THINK, TO
ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T

1103
00:46:06.597 --> 00:46:11.894
KNOW HOW THEY COULD EXPECT THAT
AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME, WE WOULD

1104
00:46:11.977 --> 00:46:17.900
STILL JUST BE SILENT IF THERE IS
AN ACTIVE ROLE THAT THE FIRM IS

1105
00:46:17.983 --> 00:46:20.194
PLAYING IN PERPETUATING
FALSEHOODS ABOUT US.

1106
00:46:20.277 --> 00:46:21.528
>> Oprah: MM.

1107
00:46:21.612 --> 00:46:22.863
>> Meghan: THAT AT A CERTAIN
POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO GO, "BUT,

1108
00:46:22.946 --> 00:46:27.659
YOU GUYS, SOMEONE JUST TELL THE
TRUTH."

1109
00:46:27.743 --> 00:46:39.713
AND IF THAT COMES WITH RISK OF
LOSING THINGS, I MEAN, I'VE--

1110
00:46:39.797 --> 00:46:40.088
I'VE LOST-- THERE'S A LOT THAT'S
BEEN LOST ALREADY.

1111
00:46:40.172 --> 00:46:41.673
>> Oprah: MM.

1112
00:46:41.757 --> 00:46:42.299
>> Meghan: AND I GRIEVE A LOT.

1113
00:46:42.382 --> 00:46:43.091
I MEAN, I'VE LOST MY FATHER.

1114
00:46:43.175 --> 00:46:44.176
I LOST A BABY.

1115
00:46:44.259 --> 00:46:45.010
I NEARLY LOST MY NAME.

1116
00:46:45.093 --> 00:46:51.517
I MEAN, THERE'S THE LOSS OF
IDENTITY.

1117
00:46:51.600 --> 00:46:57.356
BUT I'M STILL STANDING, AND MY
HOPE FOR PEOPLE IN THE TAKEAWAY

1118
00:46:57.439 --> 00:46:58.857
FROM THIS IS TO KNOW THAT
THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE.

1119
00:46:58.941 --> 00:47:01.235
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1120
00:47:01.318 --> 00:47:01.985
>> Meghan: TO KNOW THAT LIFE IS
WORTH LIVING.

1121
00:47:02.069 --> 00:47:05.155
>> Oprah: OKAY.

1122
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.325
I'M SO GLAD YOU SEE THAT NOW.

1123
00:47:08.408 --> 00:47:10.953
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK,
Y'ALL, AND HARRY'S GOING TO

1124
00:47:11.036 --> 00:47:12.079
JOIN US.

1125
00:47:12.162 --> 00:47:13.747
>> Meghan: ( LAUGHTER )
>> Oprah: WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK

1126
00:47:13.830 --> 00:47:17.626
WITH HARRY.

1127
00:47:17.709 --> 00:47:20.921
SO, WHEN I ASK THE QUESTION,
"WHY DID YOU LEAVE?" THE

1128
00:47:21.004 --> 00:47:23.799
SIMPLEST ANSWER IS?

1129
00:47:23.882 --> 00:47:26.802
DID YOU BLINDSIDE THE QUEEN?

1130
00:47:33.016 --> 00:47:34.893
>> Oprah: SO, HI.

1131
00:47:34.977 --> 00:47:35.602
>> Prince Harry: HELLO.

1132
00:47:35.686 --> 00:47:36.436
>> Oprah: THANKS FOR JOINING US.

1133
00:47:36.520 --> 00:47:37.312
>> Prince Harry: THANKS FOR
HAVING ME.

1134
00:47:37.396 --> 00:47:38.939
>> Oprah: YOU'VE BEEN WATCHING
ON THE SIDE?

1135
00:47:39.022 --> 00:47:39.606
YEAH?

1136
00:47:39.690 --> 00:47:40.440
>> Prince Harry: SOME OF IT.

1137
00:47:40.524 --> 00:47:41.650
>> Oprah: YES.

1138
00:47:41.733 --> 00:47:43.944
I WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL,
LET'S SAY CONGRATULATIONS...

1139
00:47:44.027 --> 00:47:45.821
>> Prince Harry: THANK YOU.

1140
00:47:45.904 --> 00:47:49.616
>> Oprah: ...FOR THE NEW
ADDITION TO YOUR FAMILY.

1141
00:47:49.700 --> 00:47:53.078
MEGHAN SAID SHE WANTED TO WAIT
UNTIL YOU WERE HERE TO TELL US,

1142
00:47:53.161 --> 00:47:57.124
IS IT A BOY OR IS IT A GIRL?

1143
00:47:57.207 --> 00:47:58.000
>> Meghan: YOU CAN TELL HER.

1144
00:47:58.083 --> 00:47:58.792
>> Prince Harry: NO, GO FOR IT.

1145
00:47:58.875 --> 00:48:00.419
>> Meghan: NO, NO.

1146
00:48:00.502 --> 00:48:01.795
>> Prince Harry: IT'S A GIRL.

1147
00:48:01.878 --> 00:48:06.425
>> Oprah:<i> ( SQUEALS )</i>
>> Meghan: IT'S A GIRL.

1148
00:48:06.508 --> 00:48:07.301
>> Prince Harry: YES!

1149
00:48:07.384 --> 00:48:07.551
>> Oprah: YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A
DAUGHTER.

1150
00:48:07.634 --> 00:48:08.135
WOW.

1151
00:48:08.218 --> 00:48:09.970
>> Meghan: IT'S A GIRL.

1152
00:48:10.053 --> 00:48:10.929
>> Oprah: WHEN YOU REALIZED THAT
AND SAW IT ON THE ULTRASOUND,

1153
00:48:11.013 --> 00:48:14.474
WHAT-- WHAT-- WHAT WAS YOUR
FIRST THOUGHT?

1154
00:48:14.558 --> 00:48:18.854
>> Prince Harry: AMAZING.

1155
00:48:18.937 --> 00:48:22.524
JUST GRATEFUL, LIKE ANY-- TO
HAVE ANY CHILD, ANY ONE OR ANY

1156
00:48:22.608 --> 00:48:25.861
TWO WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZING.

1157
00:48:25.944 --> 00:48:28.405
BUT TO HAVE A BOY AND THEN A
GIRL, YOU KNOW, WHAT MORE CAN

1158
00:48:28.488 --> 00:48:29.448
YOU ASK FOR?

1159
00:48:29.531 --> 00:48:31.158
BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, NOW WE--
WE'VE GOT OUR FAMILY.

1160
00:48:31.241 --> 00:48:33.994
WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OF
US AND OUR TWO DOGS, AND IT'S

1161
00:48:34.077 --> 00:48:34.453
GREAT.

1162
00:48:34.536 --> 00:48:34.703
>> Oprah: DONE.

1163
00:48:34.786 --> 00:48:35.704
DONE?

1164
00:48:35.787 --> 00:48:36.830
TWO IS IT?

1165
00:48:36.913 --> 00:48:37.372
>> Prince Harry: DONE.

1166
00:48:37.456 --> 00:48:37.956
>> Meghan: TWO IS IT.

1167
00:48:38.040 --> 00:48:38.790
>> Oprah: TWO IS IT.

1168
00:48:38.874 --> 00:48:39.708
>> Meghan: TWO IS IT.

1169
00:48:39.791 --> 00:48:41.043
>> Oprah: AND WHEN'S THE BABY
DUE?

1170
00:48:41.126 --> 00:48:42.461
>> Meghan: IN SUMMERTIME.

1171
00:48:42.544 --> 00:48:42.878
>> Oprah: THIS SUMMERTIME?

1172
00:48:42.961 --> 00:48:44.963
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1173
00:48:45.047 --> 00:48:49.676
>> Oprah: SO, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN
LIVING IN SUNNY CALIFORNIA NOW

1174
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.012
FOR--
>> Meghan: SINCE MARCH.

1175
00:48:52.095 --> 00:48:54.848
>> Oprah: SINCE MARCH, OKAY.

1176
00:48:54.931 --> 00:48:58.185
IN LATE 2019, PRINCE HARRY AND
MEGHAN LEFT THE U.K. AND MOVED

1177
00:48:58.268 --> 00:49:00.437
TO CANADA.

1178
00:49:00.520 --> 00:49:04.316
THE COUPLE SAYS THEY CHOSE
CANADA, A COMMONWEALTH OF

1179
00:49:04.399 --> 00:49:06.943
BRITAIN, WITH THE INTENTION OF
CONTINUING TO SERVE THE QUEEN.

1180
00:49:07.027 --> 00:49:13.742
AFTER THEIR MOVE, HARRY AND
MEGHAN SAY SECURITY NORMALLY

1181
00:49:13.825 --> 00:49:17.371
PROVIDED BY THE ROYAL FAMILY WAS
CUT OFF.

1182
00:49:17.454 --> 00:49:21.708
BY MARCH 2020, JUST DAYS BEFORE
THE COVID LOCKDOWN BEGAN,

1183
00:49:21.792 --> 00:49:25.504
MEGHAN, HARRY, AND ARCHIE
RELOCATED TO LOS ANGELES WHERE

1184
00:49:25.587 --> 00:49:27.881
MEDIA MOGUL TYLER PERRY OFFERED
THEM HIS HOME AS A TEMPORARY

1185
00:49:27.964 --> 00:49:30.050
REFUGE.

1186
00:49:30.133 --> 00:49:32.386
HE ALSO PROVIDED SECURITY.

1187
00:49:32.469 --> 00:49:35.138
THREE MONTHS LATER, THEY BOUGHT
THEIR OWN HOME AND SETTLED IN

1188
00:49:35.222 --> 00:49:37.015
THE SANTA BARBARA AREA.

1189
00:49:37.099 --> 00:49:41.103
LAST SPRING, THE DUKE AND
DUCHESS OF SUSSEX CREATED THEIR

1190
00:49:41.186 --> 00:49:46.733
OWN FOUNDATION AND MEDIA CONTENT
COMPANY CALLED ARCHEWELL.

1191
00:49:46.817 --> 00:49:48.777
AND SO, YOU STAYED AT TYLER
PERRY'S HOUSE FOR SEVERAL

1192
00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:49.653
MONTHS.

1193
00:49:49.736 --> 00:49:50.654
>> Prince Harry: THREE MONTHS,
I BELIEVE.

1194
00:49:50.737 --> 00:49:52.197
>> Meghan: YEAH, BECAUSE WE
DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN.

1195
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.033
WE NEEDED-- WE NEEDED A HOUSE,
AND HE OFFERED SECURITY, AS

1196
00:49:55.117 --> 00:49:58.245
WELL, SO IT GAVE US BREATHING
ROOM TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT

1197
00:49:58.328 --> 00:49:59.413
WE ARE GOING TO DO.

1198
00:49:59.496 --> 00:50:01.540
>> Prince Harry: THE BIGGEST
CONCERN WAS THAT WHILE WE WERE

1199
00:50:01.623 --> 00:50:06.586
IN CANADA, IN SOMEONE ELSE'S
HOUSE, I THEN GOT TOLD SHORT

1200
00:50:06.670 --> 00:50:09.256
NOTICE THAT SECURITY WAS GOING
TO BE REMOVED.

1201
00:50:09.339 --> 00:50:12.384
BY THIS POINT, COURTESY OF "THE
DAILY MAIL," THE WORLD KNEW

1202
00:50:12.467 --> 00:50:13.802
EXACT-- OUR EXACT LOCATION.

1203
00:50:13.885 --> 00:50:15.595
SO, SUDDENLY, IT DAWNED ON ME,
HANG ON A SECOND.

1204
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:16.555
THE BORDERS COULD BE CLOSED.

1205
00:50:16.638 --> 00:50:18.265
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR SECURITY
REMOVED.

1206
00:50:18.348 --> 00:50:20.434
WHO KNOWS HOW LONG LOCKDOWN'S
GOING TO BE?

1207
00:50:20.517 --> 00:50:21.977
THE WORLD KNOWS WHERE WE ARE.

1208
00:50:22.060 --> 00:50:22.936
IT'S NOT SAFE.

1209
00:50:23.019 --> 00:50:24.229
IT'S NOT SECURE.

1210
00:50:24.312 --> 00:50:25.939
>> Meghan: WELL, AND ALSO--
>> Prince Harry: WE PROBABLY

1211
00:50:26.022 --> 00:50:27.149
NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE.

1212
00:50:27.232 --> 00:50:27.649
>> Oprah: SO, WHAT SECURITY DID
YOU HAVE AT THE TIME THAT WAS

1213
00:50:27.733 --> 00:50:29.901
GOING TO BE REMOVED?

1214
00:50:29.985 --> 00:50:30.444
>> Prince Harry: WE HAD OUR U.K.

1215
00:50:30.527 --> 00:50:31.361
SECURITY.

1216
00:50:31.445 --> 00:50:33.488
>> Oprah: SO, YOU GOT WORD FROM
OVERSEAS--

1217
00:50:33.572 --> 00:50:35.574
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1218
00:50:35.657 --> 00:50:36.616
>> Oprah: --THAT "WE'RE TAKING
AWAY YOUR SECURITY."

1219
00:50:36.700 --> 00:50:39.244
WHY WERE THEY DOING THAT?

1220
00:50:39.327 --> 00:50:44.124
>> Prince Harry: THEIR
JUSTIFICATION IS A CHANGE IN

1221
00:50:44.207 --> 00:50:47.294
STATUS, OF WHICH I PUSHED BACK
AND SAID, "WELL, IS THERE A

1222
00:50:47.377 --> 00:50:51.465
CHANGE OF THREAT OR RISK?"
AND AFTER MANY WEEKS OF WAITING,

1223
00:50:51.548 --> 00:50:55.969
EVENTUALLY, I GOT THE
CONFIRMATION THAT, NO, THE RISK

1224
00:50:56.052 --> 00:50:59.306
AND THREAT HASN'T CHANGED, BUT
DUE TO OUR CHANGE OF STATUS,

1225
00:50:59.389 --> 00:51:01.641
WHICH WE WOULD NO LONGER BE AN
OFFICIAL WORKING MEMBERS OF THE

1226
00:51:01.725 --> 00:51:04.978
ROYAL FAMILY, THEY'RE
OBVIOUSLY-- WHAT WE PROPOSED WAS

1227
00:51:05.061 --> 00:51:08.899
SORT OF PART-TIME, OR AT LEAST
AS MUCH AS WE COULD DO WITHOUT

1228
00:51:08.982 --> 00:51:10.192
BEING FULLY CONSUMED BECAUSE OF,
I THINK, WHAT MOST OF YOU GUYS

1229
00:51:10.275 --> 00:51:11.151
HAVE COVERED ALREADY.

1230
00:51:11.234 --> 00:51:13.820
>> Meghan: WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T
TALK ABOUT THAT.

1231
00:51:13.904 --> 00:51:17.491
IT'S BEEN SO SPUN IN THE WRONG
DIRECTION, AS THOUGH WE QUIT, WE

1232
00:51:17.574 --> 00:51:22.120
WALKED AWAY, WE-- ALL THE
CONVERSATIONS OF THE TWO YEARS

1233
00:51:22.204 --> 00:51:25.040
BEFORE WE FINALLY ANNOUNCED IT.

1234
00:51:25.123 --> 00:51:29.085
>> Oprah: IN JANUARY 2020,
PRINCE HARRY AND MEGHAN

1235
00:51:29.169 --> 00:51:30.337
ANNOUNCED THEY WOULD STEP BACK
AS SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE ROYAL

1236
00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:32.839
FAMILY.

1237
00:51:32.923 --> 00:51:34.883
>> THE SWIFTNESS WITH WHICH
THEY'VE TAKEN THIS DECISION,

1238
00:51:34.966 --> 00:51:37.135
ONLY 18 MONTHS AFTER THEY GOT
MARRIED, HAS TAKEN EVERYONE BY

1239
00:51:37.219 --> 00:51:40.180
SURPRISE, FROM THE QUEEN ALL THE
WAY DOWN.

1240
00:51:40.263 --> 00:51:44.184
>> Oprah: THE BOMBSHELL NEWS
SPARKED A WORLDWIDE MEDIA FRENZY

1241
00:51:44.267 --> 00:51:48.563
DUBBED "MEGXIT" BY THE BRITISH
PRESS.

1242
00:51:48.647 --> 00:51:52.317
MANY REPORTERS AND VIRAL POSTS
BLAMED MEGHAN FOR THE DECISION.

1243
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.528
>> MEGHAN KNEW WHAT SHE WAS
SIGNING UP FOR.

1244
00:51:54.611 --> 00:51:55.570
>> SHE'S BEING EVISCERATED.

1245
00:51:55.654 --> 00:51:56.863
>> HARRY, HOW ARE THE
DISCUSSIONS GOING ON YOUR

1246
00:51:56.947 --> 00:51:58.532
FUTURE?

1247
00:51:58.615 --> 00:52:02.035
>> Oprah: IN AN OFFICIAL
STATEMENT, QUEEN ELIZABETH SAID,

1248
00:52:02.118 --> 00:52:04.162
"ALTHOUGH WE WOULD HAVE
PREFERRED THEM TO REMAIN

1249
00:52:04.246 --> 00:52:08.250
FULL-TIME WORKING MEMBERS OF THE
ROYAL FAMILY, WE RESPECT AND

1250
00:52:08.333 --> 00:52:13.880
UNDERSTAND THEIR WISH TO LIVE A
MORE INDEPENDENT LIFE AS A

1251
00:52:13.964 --> 00:52:16.258
FAMILY WHILE REMAINING A VALUED
PART OF MY FAMILY."

1252
00:52:16.341 --> 00:52:18.051
OKAY, LET ME ASK THE QUESTION.

1253
00:52:18.134 --> 00:52:19.135
>> Meghan: YEAH?

1254
00:52:19.219 --> 00:52:22.013
>> Oprah: SO, OVER A YEAR AGO,
YOU SHOCKED THE WORLD.

1255
00:52:22.097 --> 00:52:24.224
YOU ANNOUNCED THAT YOU WERE
STEPPING BACK AS SENIOR MEMBERS

1256
00:52:24.307 --> 00:52:26.935
OF THE ROYAL FAMILY.

1257
00:52:27.018 --> 00:52:30.897
AND THEN THE MEDIA REPORTED
THAT YOU HAD "BLINDSIDED" THE

1258
00:52:30.981 --> 00:52:33.024
QUEEN, YOUR GRANDMOTHER.

1259
00:52:33.108 --> 00:52:36.695
SO, HERE'S A TIME TO SET THE
RECORD STRAIGHT.

1260
00:52:36.778 --> 00:52:39.948
WHAT WAS THE TIPPING POINT THAT
MADE YOU DECIDE YOU HAD TO

1261
00:52:40.031 --> 00:52:41.074
LEAVE?

1262
00:52:41.157 --> 00:52:45.620
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, IT WAS
DESPERATE.

1263
00:52:45.704 --> 00:52:46.913
I WENT TO ALL THE PLACES WHICH
I THOUGHT I SHOULD GO TO, TO ASK

1264
00:52:46.997 --> 00:52:47.914
FOR HELP.

1265
00:52:47.998 --> 00:52:48.707
WE BOTH DID...

1266
00:52:48.790 --> 00:52:49.624
>> Meghan: MM-HMM.

1267
00:52:49.708 --> 00:52:51.293
>> Prince Harry: ...SEPARATELY
AND TOGETHER.

1268
00:52:51.376 --> 00:52:53.378
>> Oprah: SO, YOU LEFT BECAUSE
YOU WERE ASKING FOR HELP AND

1269
00:52:53.461 --> 00:52:54.212
COULDN'T GET IT?

1270
00:52:54.296 --> 00:52:58.091
>> Prince Harry: YEAH,
BASICALLY.

1271
00:52:58.174 --> 00:52:59.926
BUT WE NEVER LEFT.

1272
00:53:00.010 --> 00:53:03.430
>> Meghan: WE NEVER LEFT THE
FAMILY, AND WE ONLY WANTED TO

1273
00:53:03.513 --> 00:53:05.390
HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF ROLE THAT
EXISTS, RIGHT?

1274
00:53:05.473 --> 00:53:08.059
THERE'S SENIOR MEMBERS OF THE
FAMILY, AND THEN THERE ARE

1275
00:53:08.143 --> 00:53:09.227
NON-SENIOR MEMBERS.

1276
00:53:09.311 --> 00:53:12.272
AND WE SAID, SPECIFICALLY,
"WE'RE STEPPING BACK FROM SENIOR

1277
00:53:12.355 --> 00:53:15.567
ROLES TO BE JUST LIKE SEVERAL"--
I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF SO MANY

1278
00:53:15.650 --> 00:53:17.277
RIGHT NOW WHO ARE ALL-- THEY'RE
ROYAL HIGHNESSES, PRINCE OR

1279
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.616
PRINCESS, DUKE OR DUCHESS-- WHO
EARN A LIVING, LIVE ON PALACE

1280
00:53:22.699 --> 00:53:25.035
GROUNDS, CAN SUPPORT THE QUEEN
IF AND WHEN CALLED UPON.

1281
00:53:25.118 --> 00:53:27.203
SO, WE WEREN'T REINVENTING THE
WHEEL HERE.

1282
00:53:27.287 --> 00:53:30.457
WE WERE SAYING, "OKAY, IF THIS
ISN'T WORKING FOR EVERYONE,

1283
00:53:30.540 --> 00:53:33.793
WE'RE IN A LOT OF PAIN, YOU
CAN'T PROVIDE US WITH THE HELP

1284
00:53:33.877 --> 00:53:36.129
THAT WE NEED, WE CAN JUST TAKE
A STEP BACK.

1285
00:53:36.212 --> 00:53:38.256
WE CAN DO IT IN A COMMONWEALTH
COUNTRY."

1286
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:39.507
WE SUGGESTED NEW ZEALAND, SOUTH
AFRICA.

1287
00:53:39.591 --> 00:53:39.966
>> Prince Harry: TAKE A BREATH.

1288
00:53:40.050 --> 00:53:41.134
>> Meghan: CANADA.

1289
00:53:41.217 --> 00:53:42.469
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1290
00:53:42.552 --> 00:53:44.804
AND YOU WANTED TO TAKE A BREATH
FROM WHAT, SPECIFICALLY?

1291
00:53:44.888 --> 00:53:45.805
LET'S BE CLEAR.

1292
00:53:45.889 --> 00:53:49.476
>> Prince Harry: FROM THIS--
THIS CONSTANT BARRAGE.

1293
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:52.646
MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS HISTORY
REPEATING ITSELF, AND I'VE SAID

1294
00:53:52.729 --> 00:53:56.316
THAT BEFORE ON NUMEROUS
OCCASIONS, VERY PUBLICLY.

1295
00:53:56.399 --> 00:54:00.612
AND WHAT I WAS SEEING WAS
HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF, BUT

1296
00:54:00.695 --> 00:54:02.280
MORE, PERHAPS-- OR DEFINITELY
FAR MORE DANGEROUS, BECAUSE THEN

1297
00:54:02.364 --> 00:54:05.116
YOU ADD RACE IN AND YOU ADD
SOCIAL MEDIA IN.

1298
00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:07.285
AND WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT
HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF, I'M

1299
00:54:07.369 --> 00:54:09.496
TALKING ABOUT MY-- MY MOTHER.

1300
00:54:09.579 --> 00:54:14.834
WHEN YOU CAN SEE SOMETHING
HAPPENING IN THE SAME KIND OF

1301
00:54:14.918 --> 00:54:20.173
WAY, ANYBODY WOULD ASK FOR HELP,
ASK THE SYSTEM OF WHICH YOU ARE

1302
00:54:20.256 --> 00:54:21.424
A PART OF-- ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU
KNOW THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP

1303
00:54:21.508 --> 00:54:26.513
THERE-- THAT THEY COULD HELP AND
SHARE SOME TRUTH OR CALL-- CALL

1304
00:54:26.596 --> 00:54:28.640
THE DOGS OFF, WHATEVER YOU WANT
TO CALL IT.

1305
00:54:28.723 --> 00:54:32.185
SO, TO RECEIVE NO HELP AT ALL
AND TO BE TOLD CONTINUOUSLY,

1306
00:54:32.268 --> 00:54:33.311
"THIS IS HOW IT IS.

1307
00:54:33.395 --> 00:54:34.604
THIS IS JUST HOW IT IS.

1308
00:54:34.688 --> 00:54:35.855
WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH IT."

1309
00:54:35.939 --> 00:54:39.818
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST TURNING
POINT FOR ME WAS THE-- AND IT

1310
00:54:39.901 --> 00:54:40.944
DIDN'T TAKE VERY LONG.

1311
00:54:41.027 --> 00:54:45.740
IT WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT AT THE
BEGINNING-- WAS, OKAY, THIS

1312
00:54:45.824 --> 00:54:48.660
UNION-- US, ME-- BEING-- HAVING
A GIRLFRIEND WAS GOING TO BE A

1313
00:54:48.743 --> 00:54:49.119
THING.

1314
00:54:49.202 --> 00:54:52.497
OF COURSE IT WAS.

1315
00:54:52.580 --> 00:54:54.332
BUT I-- I NEVER EXPECTED, OR
I NEVER THOUGHT--

1316
00:54:54.416 --> 00:54:56.543
>> Oprah: BECAUSE SHE WAS A
MIXED RACE?

1317
00:54:56.626 --> 00:54:58.336
>> Prince Harry: NO, JUST-- JUST
THE TWO OF US TO START WITH.

1318
00:54:58.420 --> 00:55:03.842
I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT
THE MIXED RACE PIECE, BECAUSE I

1319
00:55:03.925 --> 00:55:07.387
THOUGHT, WELL, WELL, FIRSTLY,
YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT MANY YEARS

1320
00:55:07.470 --> 00:55:12.392
DOING THE WORK AND DOING MY OWN
LEARNING.

1321
00:55:12.475 --> 00:55:14.853
BUT MY UPBRINGING IN THE SYSTEM,
OF WHICH I WAS BROUGHT UP IN AND

1322
00:55:14.936 --> 00:55:16.771
WHAT I'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO, IT
WASN'T-- I WASN'T AWARE OF IT,

1323
00:55:16.855 --> 00:55:18.523
TO START WITH.

1324
00:55:18.606 --> 00:55:22.569
BUT, MY GOD, IT DOESN'T TAKE
VERY LONG TO SUDDENLY BECOME

1325
00:55:22.652 --> 00:55:23.778
AWARE OF IT.

1326
00:55:23.862 --> 00:55:26.072
>> Oprah: YEAH, BECAUSE YOU SAID
YOU REALLY WEREN'T AWARE OF

1327
00:55:26.156 --> 00:55:27.073
UNCONSCIOUS BIAS AND ALL THAT
THAT REPRESENTS...

1328
00:55:27.157 --> 00:55:27.866
>> Prince Harry: NO.

1329
00:55:27.949 --> 00:55:28.742
>> Oprah: ...UNTIL YOU MET
MEGHAN.

1330
00:55:28.825 --> 00:55:29.909
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1331
00:55:29.993 --> 00:55:34.581
YOU KNOW, AS SAD AS IT IS TO
SAY, IT TAKES LIVING IN HER

1332
00:55:34.664 --> 00:55:41.087
SHOES-- IN THIS INSTANCE, FOR A
DAY OR THOSE FIRST EIGHT DAYS--

1333
00:55:41.171 --> 00:55:44.883
TO SEE WHERE IT WAS GOING TO GO
AND HOW FAR THEY WERE GOING TO

1334
00:55:44.966 --> 00:55:46.217
TAKE IT.

1335
00:55:46.301 --> 00:55:47.427
>> Oprah: AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

1336
00:55:47.510 --> 00:55:48.928
>> Prince Harry: AND GET AWAY
WITH IT AND BE SO BLATANT ABOUT

1337
00:55:49.012 --> 00:55:49.637
IT.

1338
00:55:49.721 --> 00:55:50.972
THAT'S THE BIT THAT SHOCKED ME.

1339
00:55:51.056 --> 00:55:54.100
THIS IS-- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE U.K. PRESS HERE, RIGHT?

1340
00:55:54.184 --> 00:55:56.352
AND THIS-- THE U.K. IS MY HOME.

1341
00:55:56.436 --> 00:55:59.773
THAT IS-- THAT IS WHERE I WAS
BROUGHT UP.

1342
00:55:59.856 --> 00:56:04.736
SO, YES, I'VE GOT MY OWN
RELATIONSHIP THAT GOES BACK A

1343
00:56:04.819 --> 00:56:06.446
LONG WAY WITH THE MEDIA.

1344
00:56:06.529 --> 00:56:12.911
I-- I ASKED FOR CALM FROM THE
BRITISH TABLOIDS ONCE AS A

1345
00:56:12.994 --> 00:56:15.789
BOYFRIEND, ONCE AS A HUSBAND,
AND ONCE AS A FATHER.

1346
00:56:15.872 --> 00:56:20.668
>> Oprah: SO, WHEN I ASK THE
QUESTION "WHY DID YOU LEAVE?"

1347
00:56:20.752 --> 00:56:23.588
THE SIMPLEST ANSWER IS?

1348
00:56:23.671 --> 00:56:27.967
>> Prince Harry: LACK OF SUPPORT
AND LACK OF UNDERSTANDING.

1349
00:56:28.051 --> 00:56:29.803
>> Oprah: SO, I WANT CLARITY.

1350
00:56:29.886 --> 00:56:31.596
WAS THE MOVE ABOUT GETTING AWAY
FROM THE U.K. PRESS?

1351
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.516
BECAUSE THE PRESS, AS YOU KNOW,
IS EVERYWHERE.

1352
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:36.518
OR WAS THE MOVE BECAUSE YOU
WEREN'T GETTING ENOUGH SUPPORT

1353
00:56:36.601 --> 00:56:38.603
FROM THE FIRM?

1354
00:56:38.686 --> 00:56:40.105
>> Prince Harry: IT WAS BOTH.

1355
00:56:40.188 --> 00:56:41.147
>> Oprah: BOTH.

1356
00:56:41.231 --> 00:56:42.482
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1357
00:56:42.565 --> 00:56:44.651
>> Oprah: DID YOU BLINDSIDE THE
QUEEN?

1358
00:56:44.734 --> 00:56:45.443
>> Prince Harry: NO.

1359
00:56:45.527 --> 00:56:46.986
I'VE NEVER BLINDSIDED MY
GRANDMOTHER.

1360
00:56:47.070 --> 00:56:48.488
I HAVE TOO MUCH RESPECT FOR HER.

1361
00:56:48.571 --> 00:56:55.829
>> Oprah: SO, WHERE DID THAT
STORY COME FROM?

1362
00:56:55.912 --> 00:56:57.956
>> Prince Harry: I HAZARD A
GUESS THAT IT PROBABLY COULD

1363
00:56:58.039 --> 00:56:59.457
HAVE COME FROM WITHIN THE
INSTITUTION.

1364
00:56:59.541 --> 00:57:00.667
>> Oprah: MM.

1365
00:57:00.750 --> 00:57:02.001
>> Meghan: SO, I REMEMBER WHEN
YOU TALKED TO HER SEVERAL TIMES

1366
00:57:02.085 --> 00:57:04.295
ABOUT THIS OVER--
>> Prince Harry: TWO YEARS.

1367
00:57:04.379 --> 00:57:05.839
>> Meghan: --TWO YEARS.

1368
00:57:05.922 --> 00:57:08.049
BUT EVEN THE NIGHT BEFORE, DAYS
BEFORE, WITH THE STATEMENT

1369
00:57:08.133 --> 00:57:09.467
COMING OUT, I REMEMBER THAT
CONVERSATION.

1370
00:57:09.551 --> 00:57:11.511
>> Oprah: SO, AND HOW DO YOU
KNOW SHE WASN'T BLINDSIDED?

1371
00:57:11.594 --> 00:57:14.681
BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS
PRESENTED THROUGH THE PRESS IS

1372
00:57:14.764 --> 00:57:15.515
THAT SUDDENLY YOU MADE THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT.

1373
00:57:15.598 --> 00:57:18.393
SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS COMING.

1374
00:57:18.476 --> 00:57:21.312
>> Prince Harry: NO, I-- WHEN WE
WERE IN CANADA, I HAD THREE

1375
00:57:21.396 --> 00:57:23.898
CONVERSATIONS WITH MY
GRANDMOTHER AND TWO

1376
00:57:23.982 --> 00:57:28.862
CONVERSATIONS WITH MY FATHER
AND-- BEFORE HE STOPPED TAKING

1377
00:57:28.945 --> 00:57:31.072
MY CALLS-- AND THEN SAID, "CAN
YOU PUT THIS ALL IN WRITING WHAT

1378
00:57:31.156 --> 00:57:33.032
YOUR PLAN IS?"
>> Oprah: YOUR FATHER ASKED YOU

1379
00:57:33.116 --> 00:57:33.533
TO PUT IT IN WRITING.

1380
00:57:33.616 --> 00:57:34.576
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1381
00:57:34.659 --> 00:57:36.744
HE ASKED ME TO PUT IT IN
WRITING, AND I PUT ALL THE

1382
00:57:36.828 --> 00:57:39.372
SPECIFICS IN THERE, EVEN THE
FACT THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON

1383
00:57:39.455 --> 00:57:40.540
PUTTING THE ANNOUNCEMENT OUT ON
THE 7th OF JANUARY.

1384
00:57:40.623 --> 00:57:43.543
>> Oprah: SO, YOU JUST SAID THAT
YOUR DAD STOPPED TAKING YOUR

1385
00:57:43.626 --> 00:57:44.544
CALLS.

1386
00:57:44.627 --> 00:57:46.671
WHY DID HE STOP TAKING YOUR
CALLS?

1387
00:57:46.754 --> 00:57:53.052
>> Prince Harry: BECAUSE...

1388
00:57:53.136 --> 00:57:53.511
I TOOK MATTERS IN-- BY THAT
POINT, I TOOK MATTERS INTO MY

1389
00:57:53.595 --> 00:57:56.389
OWN HANDS.

1390
00:57:56.472 --> 00:57:58.016
IT WAS LIKE I NEED TO DO THIS
FOR MY FAMILY.

1391
00:57:58.099 --> 00:58:00.268
THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE TO
ANYBODY.

1392
00:58:00.351 --> 00:58:03.563
IT'S REALLY SAD THAT IT'S GOTTEN
TO THIS POINT, BUT I'VE GOT TO

1393
00:58:03.646 --> 00:58:07.233
DO SOMETHING FOR MY OWN MENTAL
HEALTH, MY WIFE'S, AND FOR

1394
00:58:07.317 --> 00:58:10.570
ARCHIE'S, AS WELL, BECAUSE I
COULD SEE WHERE THIS WAS HEADED.

1395
00:58:10.653 --> 00:58:14.407
>> Oprah: I THINK WHAT WE REALLY
HAVE GOT TO CLEAR UP HERE IS

1396
00:58:14.490 --> 00:58:18.286
THAT YOU, MEGHAN, ARE THE ONE
WHO MANIPULATED, CALCULATED THIS

1397
00:58:18.369 --> 00:58:20.246
MEGXIT.

1398
00:58:29.505 --> 00:58:32.550
>> Meghan: TO HAVE SAT BACK AND
NOT SAID THAT FOR SO LONG, IT

1399
00:58:32.634 --> 00:58:35.053
JUST FEELS REALLY--
>> Oprah: TO HAVE BEEN SILENCED

1400
00:58:35.136 --> 00:58:36.095
ALL THIS TIME.

1401
00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:37.430
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1402
00:58:37.513 --> 00:58:39.265
>> Prince Harry: BEEN THREE AND
A HALF, FOUR YEARS-- OR LONGER,

1403
00:58:39.349 --> 00:58:40.475
ACTUALLY.

1404
00:58:40.558 --> 00:58:45.021
>> Meghan: WE WERE SAYING--
GOSH, IT MUST HAVE BEEN YEARS

1405
00:58:45.104 --> 00:58:49.400
AGO WE WERE SITTING IN
NOTTINGHAM-- I WAS SITTING IN

1406
00:58:49.484 --> 00:58:50.818
NOTTINGHAM COTTAGE, AND "THE
LITTLE MERMAID" CAME ON.

1407
00:58:50.902 --> 00:58:52.153
NOW, WHO WATCHES-- WHO AS AN
ADULT REALLY WATCHES "THE LITTLE

1408
00:58:52.237 --> 00:58:53.363
MERMAID"?

1409
00:58:53.446 --> 00:58:54.113
BUT IT CAME ON, AND I WAS LIKE,
"WELL, I'M JUST HERE ALL THE

1410
00:58:54.197 --> 00:58:56.032
TIME, SO I MAY AS WELL WATCH
THIS."

1411
00:58:56.115 --> 00:58:57.617
AND I WENT, "OH, MY GOD!

1412
00:58:57.700 --> 00:59:00.286
SHE FALLS IN LOVE WITH THE
PRINCE, AND BECAUSE OF THAT,

1413
00:59:00.370 --> 00:59:01.079
SHE HAS TO LOSE HER VOICE."

1414
00:59:01.162 --> 00:59:02.580
>> Oprah: MM.

1415
00:59:02.664 --> 00:59:03.623
>> Meghan: BUT BY THE END, SHE
GETS HER VOICE BACK.

1416
00:59:03.706 --> 00:59:04.415
>> Oprah: GETS HER VOICE BACK.

1417
00:59:04.499 --> 00:59:05.291
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1418
00:59:05.375 --> 00:59:07.085
>> Oprah: AND THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENED HERE.

1419
00:59:07.168 --> 00:59:07.835
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT YOUR VOICE
BACK.

1420
00:59:07.919 --> 00:59:09.587
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1421
00:59:09.671 --> 00:59:10.588
>> Oprah: SO, YOU-- YOU'RE
STEPPING BACK OUT OF

1422
00:59:10.672 --> 00:59:15.260
FRUSTRATION, AND YOU JUST NEED
TO GET OUT.

1423
00:59:15.343 --> 00:59:17.095
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD MEGHAN
SHARE WITH US ALL...

1424
00:59:17.178 --> 00:59:18.846
>> Prince Harry: MM-HMM.

1425
00:59:18.930 --> 00:59:21.349
>> Oprah: ...THE MOMENT THAT SHE
CAME TO YOU, HAD THE COURAGE

1426
00:59:21.432 --> 00:59:22.141
ENOUGH TO SAY OUT LOUD...

1427
00:59:22.225 --> 00:59:23.101
>> Prince Harry: MM-HMM.

1428
00:59:23.184 --> 00:59:24.185
>> Oprah: ..."I DON'T WANT TO
LIVE ANYMORE."

1429
00:59:24.269 --> 00:59:28.523
>> Prince Harry: MM-HMM.

1430
00:59:28.606 --> 00:59:30.692
>> Oprah: AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT TO DO.

1431
00:59:30.775 --> 00:59:32.777
>> Prince Harry: I HAD NO IDEA
WHAT TO DO.

1432
00:59:32.860 --> 00:59:35.571
I WASN'T-- I WASN'T PREPARED FOR
THAT.

1433
00:59:35.655 --> 00:59:38.866
I WENT-- I WENT TO A VERY DARK
PLACE, AS WELL.

1434
00:59:38.950 --> 00:59:41.953
BUT I-- I WANTED TO BE THERE FOR
HER AND...

1435
00:59:42.036 --> 00:59:43.997
>> Meghan: ALSO, WE DIDN'T LEAVE
RIGHT THAT MINUTE, RIGHT?

1436
00:59:44.080 --> 00:59:45.540
>> Prince Harry: ...I WAS
TERRIFIED.

1437
00:59:45.623 --> 00:59:47.333
>> Meghan: WE STILL-- THAT'S
ALMOST A YEAR AFTER.

1438
00:59:47.417 --> 00:59:48.668
>> Oprah: SO, THEN, DID YOU TELL
OTHER PEOPLE IN THE FAMILY, "I

1439
00:59:48.751 --> 00:59:49.168
HAVE TO GET HELP FOR HER?

1440
00:59:49.252 --> 00:59:50.795
WE NEED HELP FOR HER"?

1441
00:59:50.878 --> 00:59:51.963
>> Prince Harry: NO.

1442
00:59:52.046 --> 00:59:53.965
THAT'S JUST NOT A CONVERSATION
THAT WOULD BE HAD.

1443
00:59:54.048 --> 00:59:56.634
>> Oprah: WHY?

1444
00:59:56.718 --> 01:00:00.680
>> Prince Harry: I GUESS I WAS
ASHAMED OF ADMITTING IT TO THEM.

1445
01:00:00.763 --> 01:00:01.806
>> Oprah: OH.

1446
01:00:01.889 --> 01:00:03.308
>> Prince Harry: AND I DON'T
KNOW WHETHER-- I DON'T KNOW

1447
01:00:03.391 --> 01:00:03.850
WHETHER THEY'VE HAD THE SAME--
WHETHER THEY'VE HAD THE SAME

1448
01:00:03.933 --> 01:00:05.518
FEELINGS OR THOUGHTS.

1449
01:00:05.601 --> 01:00:07.103
I HAVE NO IDEA.

1450
01:00:07.186 --> 01:00:09.397
AND IT'S A VERY TRAPPING
ENVIRONMENT THAT A LOT OF THEM

1451
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:11.524
ARE STUCK IN.

1452
01:00:11.607 --> 01:00:13.568
>> Oprah: YOU WERE ASHAMED OF
ADMITTING THAT MEGHAN NEEDED

1453
01:00:13.651 --> 01:00:14.110
HELP.

1454
01:00:14.193 --> 01:00:16.029
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1455
01:00:16.112 --> 01:00:18.364
>> Oprah: MM.

1456
01:00:18.448 --> 01:00:19.657
>> Prince Harry: I DIDN'T HAVE
ANYONE TO TURN TO.

1457
01:00:19.741 --> 01:00:20.867
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1458
01:00:20.950 --> 01:00:24.662
>> Prince Harry: YOU KNOW, WE'VE
GOT SOME VERY CLOSE FRIENDS

1459
01:00:24.746 --> 01:00:28.708
THAT-- THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US
THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, BUT

1460
01:00:28.791 --> 01:00:33.338
FOR THE FAMILY, THEY VERY MUCH
HAVE THIS MENTALITY OF "THIS IS

1461
01:00:33.421 --> 01:00:34.839
JUST HOW IT IS.

1462
01:00:34.922 --> 01:00:35.923
THIS IS HOW IT'S MEANT TO BE.

1463
01:00:36.007 --> 01:00:37.175
YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT.

1464
01:00:37.258 --> 01:00:39.218
WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH IT."

1465
01:00:39.302 --> 01:00:41.012
>> Oprah: "WE'VE ALL BEEN
THROUGH THE PRESSURE.

1466
01:00:41.095 --> 01:00:42.764
WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH BEING
EXPLOITED."

1467
01:00:42.847 --> 01:00:45.224
>> Prince Harry: YES.

1468
01:00:45.308 --> 01:00:48.436
BUT WHAT WAS DIFFERENT FOR ME
WAS THE RACE ELEMENT, BECAUSE

1469
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:49.645
NOW IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT HER,
BUT IT IS ABOUT WHAT SHE

1470
01:00:49.729 --> 01:00:51.356
REPRESENTS.

1471
01:00:51.439 --> 01:00:54.233
AND, THEREFORE, IT WASN'T JUST
AFFECTING MY WIFE.

1472
01:00:54.317 --> 01:00:55.735
IT WAS AFFECTING SO MANY OTHER
PEOPLE, AS WELL.

1473
01:00:55.818 --> 01:00:58.905
AND THAT'S-- THAT WAS THE
TRIGGER FOR ME TO REALLY ENGAGE

1474
01:00:58.988 --> 01:01:02.533
IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH
PALACE-- SENIOR PALACE STAFF AND

1475
01:01:02.617 --> 01:01:06.454
WITH MY FAMILY TO SAY, "GUYS,
THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WELL."

1476
01:01:06.537 --> 01:01:09.582
>> Oprah: AND WHEN YOU SAY "END
WELL," WHAT DID YOU MEAN?

1477
01:01:09.665 --> 01:01:12.752
>> Prince Harry: FOR ANYONE IT'S
NOT GOING TO END WELL, BECAUSE

1478
01:01:12.835 --> 01:01:19.759
THE WAY THAT I SAW IT WAS THERE
WAS A WAY OF DOING THINGS, BUT

1479
01:01:19.842 --> 01:01:24.263
FOR US, FOR THIS UNION AND THE
SPECIFICS AROUND HER RACE, THERE

1480
01:01:24.347 --> 01:01:29.060
WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, MANY
OPPORTUNITIES, FOR MY FAMILY TO

1481
01:01:29.143 --> 01:01:29.936
SHOW SOME PUBLIC SUPPORT.

1482
01:01:30.019 --> 01:01:31.479
>> Oprah: MM.

1483
01:01:31.562 --> 01:01:34.232
>> Prince Harry: AND I GUESS ONE
OF THE MOST TELLING PARTS AND

1484
01:01:34.315 --> 01:01:36.776
THE SADDEST PARTS, I GUESS, WAS
OVER 70 MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT,

1485
01:01:36.859 --> 01:01:44.242
FEMALE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT--
BOTH CONSERVATIVE AND LABOR--

1486
01:01:44.325 --> 01:01:46.411
CAME OUT AND CALLED OUT THE--
THE COLONIAL UNDERTONES OF

1487
01:01:46.494 --> 01:01:48.621
ARTICLES AND HEADLINES WRITTEN
ABOUT MEGHAN.

1488
01:01:48.704 --> 01:01:51.582
YET NO ONE FROM MY FAMILY EVER
SAID ANYTHING OVER THOSE THREE

1489
01:01:51.666 --> 01:01:54.127
YEARS.

1490
01:01:54.210 --> 01:01:59.924
AND THAT-- THAT HURTS.

1491
01:02:00.007 --> 01:02:04.470
BUT I ALSO AM ACUTELY AWARE OF
WHERE MY FAMILY STAND AND HOW

1492
01:02:04.554 --> 01:02:05.805
SCARED THEY ARE OF THE TABLOIDS
TURNING ON THEM.

1493
01:02:05.888 --> 01:02:08.474
>> Oprah: TURNING ON THEM FOR
WHAT?

1494
01:02:08.558 --> 01:02:11.102
THEY'RE THE ROYAL FAMILY.

1495
01:02:11.185 --> 01:02:15.148
>> Prince Harry: YES, BUT IT'S--
THERE IS THIS INVISIBLE--

1496
01:02:15.231 --> 01:02:18.651
WHAT'S-- WHAT'S TERMED OR
REFERRED TO AS THE "INVISIBLE

1497
01:02:18.734 --> 01:02:20.945
CONTRACT" BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
BETWEEN THE INSTITUTION AND THE

1498
01:02:21.028 --> 01:02:21.988
TABLOIDS, THE U.K. TABLOIDS.

1499
01:02:22.071 --> 01:02:25.783
>> Oprah: HOW SO?

1500
01:02:25.867 --> 01:02:28.911
>> Prince Harry: WELL, IT IS--
TO SIMPLIFY IT, IT'S A CASE OF

1501
01:02:28.995 --> 01:02:33.541
IF YOU-- IF YOU AS A FAMILY
MEMBER ARE WILLING TO WINE,

1502
01:02:33.624 --> 01:02:36.836
DINE, AND GIVE FULL ACCESS TO
THESE REPORTERS, THEN YOU WILL

1503
01:02:36.919 --> 01:02:39.005
GET BETTER PRESS.

1504
01:02:39.088 --> 01:02:41.466
>> Oprah: WHAT DO YOU CARE ABOUT
BETTER PRESS IF YOU'RE ROYAL?

1505
01:02:41.549 --> 01:02:48.014
>> Prince Harry: I THINK
EVERYONE NEEDS TO HAVE SOME

1506
01:02:48.097 --> 01:02:49.891
COMPASSION FOR-- FOR THEM IN
THAT SITUATION, RIGHT?

1507
01:02:49.974 --> 01:02:51.726
THERE IS A LEVEL OF CONTROL BY
FEAR THAT HAS EXISTED FOR

1508
01:02:51.809 --> 01:02:57.398
GENERATIONS-- I MEAN,
GENERATIONS.

1509
01:02:57.482 --> 01:02:59.817
>> Oprah: BUT WHO'S CONTROLLING
WHOM?

1510
01:02:59.901 --> 01:03:00.776
IT'S THE INSTITUTION.

1511
01:03:00.860 --> 01:03:01.986
FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, JUST THE
PUBLIC, IT'S--

1512
01:03:02.069 --> 01:03:04.697
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, BUT THE
INSTITUTION SURVIVES BASED ON

1513
01:03:04.780 --> 01:03:05.865
THAT, ON THAT PERCEPTION.

1514
01:03:05.948 --> 01:03:08.409
SO, ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T--
>> Oprah: SO, YOU'RE SAYING

1515
01:03:08.493 --> 01:03:10.369
THERE'S THIS RELATIONSHIP THAT
MEGHAN WAS SPEAKING OF, IT'S

1516
01:03:10.453 --> 01:03:11.913
LIKE SYMBIOTIC.

1517
01:03:11.996 --> 01:03:12.747
ONE LIVES OR THRIVES BECAUSE THE
OTHER EXISTS.

1518
01:03:12.830 --> 01:03:13.539
>> Meghan: MM.

1519
01:03:13.623 --> 01:03:16.000
>> Oprah: THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING.

1520
01:03:16.083 --> 01:03:17.710
>> Prince Harry: THAT'S THE--
THAT'S THE IDEA, YEAH.

1521
01:03:17.793 --> 01:03:19.754
>> Meghan: WELL, SEE, I THINK
THERE'S A REASON THAT THESE

1522
01:03:19.837 --> 01:03:24.884
TABLOIDS HAVE HOLIDAY PARTIES
AT THE PALACE.

1523
01:03:24.967 --> 01:03:27.887
THEY'RE HOSTED BY THE PALACE,
THE TABLOIDS ARE.

1524
01:03:27.970 --> 01:03:31.891
YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CONSTRUCT
THAT'S AT PLAY THERE.

1525
01:03:31.974 --> 01:03:35.520
AND BECAUSE, FROM THE
BEGINNING OF OUR RELATIONSHIP,

1526
01:03:35.603 --> 01:03:43.069
THEY WERE SO ATTACKING AND
INCITING SO MUCH RACISM, REALLY,

1527
01:03:43.152 --> 01:03:45.404
IT CHANGED OUR-- THE RISK LEVEL,
BECAUSE IT WENT-- IT WASN'T JUST

1528
01:03:45.488 --> 01:03:46.906
CATTY GOSSIP.

1529
01:03:46.989 --> 01:03:49.867
IT WAS BRINGING OUT A PART OF
PEOPLE THAT WAS RACIST IN HOW IT

1530
01:03:49.951 --> 01:03:50.868
WAS CHARGED.

1531
01:03:50.952 --> 01:03:51.744
AND THAT CHANGED THE THREAT.

1532
01:03:51.827 --> 01:03:52.870
THAT CHANGED THE LEVEL OF DEATH
THREATS.

1533
01:03:52.954 --> 01:03:55.873
THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING.

1534
01:03:55.957 --> 01:04:00.586
>> Oprah: SO, TELL ME THIS: YOU
SAID A MOMENT AGO, IT HURTS THAT

1535
01:04:00.670 --> 01:04:05.258
YOUR FAMILY HAS NEVER
ACKNOWLEDGED THE ROLE THAT

1536
01:04:05.341 --> 01:04:06.300
RACISM PLAYED IN HERE.

1537
01:04:06.384 --> 01:04:07.093
DID YOU THINK SHE WAS WELL
RECEIVED IN THE BEGINNING?

1538
01:04:07.176 --> 01:04:07.718
>> Prince Harry: YES.

1539
01:04:07.802 --> 01:04:08.928
FAR BETTER THAN I EXPECTED.

1540
01:04:09.011 --> 01:04:12.890
<i>( LAUGHTER )</i>
BUT, YOU KNOW, MY-- MY

1541
01:04:12.974 --> 01:04:16.602
GRANDMOTHER HAS BEEN AMAZING
THROUGHOUT.

1542
01:04:16.686 --> 01:04:20.439
YOU KNOW, MY FATHER, MY BROTHER,
KATE AND-- AND ALL THE REST OF

1543
01:04:20.523 --> 01:04:21.065
THE FAMILY, THEY WERE.

1544
01:04:21.148 --> 01:04:23.734
THEY WERE REALLY WELCOMING.

1545
01:04:23.818 --> 01:04:25.736
BUT IT REALLY CHANGED AFTER THE
AUSTRALIA TOUR, AFTER OUR SOUTH

1546
01:04:25.820 --> 01:04:26.946
PACIFIC TOUR.

1547
01:04:27.029 --> 01:04:28.114
>> Meghan: THAT'S WHEN WE
ANNOUNCED WE WERE PREGNANT WITH

1548
01:04:28.197 --> 01:04:28.698
ARCHIE.

1549
01:04:28.781 --> 01:04:29.991
THAT WAS OUR FIRST TOUR.

1550
01:04:30.074 --> 01:04:31.909
>> Prince Harry: BUT IT WAS
ALSO-- IT WAS ALSO THE FIRST

1551
01:04:31.993 --> 01:04:34.287
TIME THAT THE FAMILY GOT TO SEE
HOW INCREDIBLE SHE IS AT THE

1552
01:04:34.370 --> 01:04:35.454
JOB.

1553
01:04:35.538 --> 01:04:38.499
AND THAT BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES.

1554
01:04:38.583 --> 01:04:40.459
>> Oprah: I'M THINKING, BECAUSE
I WATCH "THE CROWN," OKAY?

1555
01:04:40.543 --> 01:04:41.419
I WATCH "THE CROWN."

1556
01:04:41.502 --> 01:04:42.461
DO YOU ALL WATCH "THE CROWN"?

1557
01:04:42.545 --> 01:04:44.797
>> Meghan: ( LAUGHS )
>> Prince Harry: I'VE WATCHED

1558
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:45.548
SOME OF IT.

1559
01:04:45.631 --> 01:04:46.299
YOU'VE WATCHED SOME OF IT?

1560
01:04:46.382 --> 01:04:48.134
>> Meghan: I'VE WATCHED SOME
OF IT.

1561
01:04:48.217 --> 01:04:51.304
>> Oprah: BUT THERE'S THIS-- I
THINK IT WAS THE FOURTH SEASON,

1562
01:04:51.387 --> 01:04:52.597
ACTUALLY, WHERE THERE IS AN
AUSTRALIAN TOUR.

1563
01:04:52.680 --> 01:04:53.639
SO, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT?

1564
01:04:53.723 --> 01:04:55.516
IT BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES OF
THAT?

1565
01:04:55.600 --> 01:04:56.058
THE AUSTRALIAN TOUR...

1566
01:04:56.142 --> 01:04:57.310
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1567
01:04:57.393 --> 01:05:00.146
>> Oprah: ...WHERE YOUR FATHER
AND YOUR MOTHER WENT THERE, AND

1568
01:05:00.229 --> 01:05:02.940
YOUR MOTHER WAS BEDAZZLING?

1569
01:05:03.024 --> 01:05:07.111
SO, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE
WERE HINTS OF JEALOUSY?

1570
01:05:07.194 --> 01:05:14.785
>> Prince Harry: LOOK, I-- I
JUST WISH THAT WE WOULD ALL

1571
01:05:14.869 --> 01:05:17.121
LEARN FROM THE PAST.

1572
01:05:17.204 --> 01:05:22.168
BUT TO SEE THE-- TO SEE HOW
EFFORTLESS IT WAS FOR MEGHAN TO

1573
01:05:22.251 --> 01:05:28.174
COME INTO THE FAMILY SO QUICKLY
IN AUSTRALIA AND ACROSS NEW

1574
01:05:28.257 --> 01:05:29.508
ZEALAND, FIJI, AND TONGA, AND
JUST BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH

1575
01:05:29.592 --> 01:05:30.843
PEOPLE IN SUCH A--
>> Oprah: BUT--

1576
01:05:30.926 --> 01:05:31.844
>> Prince Harry: I KNOW, I KNOW,
I KNOW, I KNOW.

1577
01:05:31.927 --> 01:05:35.056
BUT IT'S--
>> Oprah: WHY-- I MEAN, WHY

1578
01:05:35.139 --> 01:05:35.681
WOULDN'T EVERYBODY LOVE THAT?

1579
01:05:35.765 --> 01:05:36.891
ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU WANT?

1580
01:05:36.974 --> 01:05:42.021
YOU WANT HER TO COME INTO THE
FAMILY AND TO, AS THE QUEEN SAID

1581
01:05:42.104 --> 01:05:46.233
AT ONE POINT, THE WAY THAT
MEGHAN HAD BASICALLY-- NOT HER

1582
01:05:46.317 --> 01:05:48.069
WORDS-- BUT ASSIMILATED INTO THE
FAMILY.

1583
01:05:48.152 --> 01:05:51.155
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, I THINK,
YOU KNOW, AS WE TALKED ABOUT,

1584
01:05:51.238 --> 01:05:54.575
SHE WAS VERY MUCH WELCOMED INTO
THE FAMILY, NOT JUST BY THE

1585
01:05:54.659 --> 01:05:55.576
FAMILY, BUT BY THE WORLD.

1586
01:05:55.660 --> 01:05:56.577
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1587
01:05:56.661 --> 01:05:58.371
>> Prince Harry: CERTAINLY BY
THE COMMONWEALTH.

1588
01:05:58.454 --> 01:06:01.248
I MEAN, HERE YOU HAVE ONE OF THE
GREATEST ASSETS TO THE

1589
01:06:01.332 --> 01:06:04.251
COMMONWEALTH THAT THE FAMILY
COULD HAVE EVER WISHED FOR.

1590
01:06:04.335 --> 01:06:06.837
>> Oprah: I JUST CAN'T-- I'M
KIND OF GOING BACK TO THIS.

1591
01:06:06.921 --> 01:06:13.844
SO, THEN, YOU'RE IN CANADA
BECAUSE YOU HAD STEPPED BACK.

1592
01:06:13.928 --> 01:06:17.765
YOUR FIRM SAYS YOU'RE NO LONGER
GOING TO HAVE PROTECTION.

1593
01:06:17.848 --> 01:06:19.016
SO, DID YOU ASK FOR THAT?

1594
01:06:19.100 --> 01:06:23.020
BECAUSE DID YOU WANT-- WERE YOU
TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?

1595
01:06:23.104 --> 01:06:27.942
YOU WANTED TO STEP BACK BUT ALSO
KEEP YOUR FOOT IN ROYAL

1596
01:06:28.025 --> 01:06:29.193
BUSINESS, IT SEEMS.

1597
01:06:29.276 --> 01:06:32.238
>> Prince Harry: IT'S
INTERESTING THAT YOU TALK ABOUT

1598
01:06:32.321 --> 01:06:34.198
IT BEING, YOU KNOW, "HAVE IT
BOTH WAYS" ON THE-- ON THE

1599
01:06:34.281 --> 01:06:36.075
SECURITY ELEMENT.

1600
01:06:36.158 --> 01:06:38.202
I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD
HAVE MY SECURITY REMOVED,

1601
01:06:38.285 --> 01:06:38.953
BECAUSE I WAS BORN INTO THIS
POSITION.

1602
01:06:39.036 --> 01:06:41.747
I INHERITED THE RISK.

1603
01:06:41.831 --> 01:06:42.957
SO, THAT WAS A SHOCK TO ME.

1604
01:06:43.040 --> 01:06:45.209
THAT WAS WHAT COMPLETELY CHANGED
THE WHOLE PLAN.

1605
01:06:45.292 --> 01:06:48.921
>> Oprah: SO, THAT YOU AS PRINCE
HARRY ARE GOING TO HAVE YOUR

1606
01:06:49.004 --> 01:06:49.505
SECURITY REMOVED.

1607
01:06:49.588 --> 01:06:50.715
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1608
01:06:50.798 --> 01:06:55.428
AND I EVEN-- AND I EVEN WROTE
LETTERS TO HIS FAMILY SAYING,

1609
01:06:55.511 --> 01:06:56.178
"PLEASE, IT'S VERY CLEAR THE
PROTECTION OF ME OR ARCHIE IS

1610
01:06:56.262 --> 01:06:58.097
NOT A PRIORITY.

1611
01:06:58.180 --> 01:06:58.514
I ACCEPT THAT.

1612
01:06:58.597 --> 01:07:00.307
THAT IS FINE.

1613
01:07:00.391 --> 01:07:00.975
PLEASE KEEP MY HUSBAND SAFE.

1614
01:07:01.058 --> 01:07:03.310
I SEE THE DEATH THREATS.

1615
01:07:03.394 --> 01:07:05.563
I SEE THE RACIST PROPAGANDA.

1616
01:07:05.646 --> 01:07:06.939
PLEASE KEEP HIM SAFE.

1617
01:07:07.022 --> 01:07:09.233
PLEASE DON'T PULL HIS SECURITY
AND ANNOUNCE TO THE WORLD WHEN

1618
01:07:09.316 --> 01:07:10.985
HE AND WE ARE MOST VULNERABLE."

1619
01:07:11.068 --> 01:07:12.278
AND THEY SAID IT'S JUST NOT
POSSIBLE.

1620
01:07:12.361 --> 01:07:14.655
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1621
01:07:14.739 --> 01:07:20.453
I THINK WHAT WE REALLY HAVE GOT
TO CLEAR UP HERE IS BECAUSE ONE

1622
01:07:20.536 --> 01:07:23.956
OF THE STORIES THAT CONTINUES TO
LIVE, EITHER THROUGH RUMORS OR

1623
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:32.757
SOCIAL MEDIA, OUT IN THE WORLD,
IS THAT YOU, MEGHAN, ARE THE ONE

1624
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:37.261
WHO MANIPULATED, CALCULATED, AND
ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS MEGXIT.

1625
01:07:37.344 --> 01:07:38.304
>> Meghan: OH, MY GOSH.

1626
01:07:38.387 --> 01:07:39.805
IT'S AMAZING HOW THEY CAN USE
MEG FOR EVERYTHING.

1627
01:07:39.889 --> 01:07:42.183
>> Oprah: YES.

1628
01:07:42.266 --> 01:07:44.351
THERE ARE EVEN STORIES THAT YOU
KNEW ALL ALONG THAT THIS WAS

1629
01:07:44.435 --> 01:07:46.061
GOING TO HAPPEN.

1630
01:07:46.145 --> 01:07:49.940
YOU WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE
PROCESS, AND IT WAS ALL

1631
01:07:50.024 --> 01:07:52.276
INTENTIONAL TO BUILD YOUR BRAND.

1632
01:07:52.359 --> 01:07:56.614
>> Meghan: CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW
LITTLE SENSE THAT MAKES?

1633
01:07:56.697 --> 01:07:58.365
I LEFT MY CAREER, MY LIFE.

1634
01:07:58.449 --> 01:08:01.035
I LEFT EVERYTHING BECAUSE I LOVE
HIM, RIGHT?

1635
01:08:01.118 --> 01:08:02.077
AND OUR PLAN WAS TO DO THIS
FOREVER.

1636
01:08:02.161 --> 01:08:05.498
>> Prince Harry: YES.

1637
01:08:05.581 --> 01:08:11.796
>> Meghan: OUR PLAN-- FOR ME, I
MEAN, I WROTE LETTERS TO HIS

1638
01:08:11.879 --> 01:08:13.798
FAMILY WHEN I GOT THERE, SAYING,
"I AM DEDICATED TO THIS.

1639
01:08:13.881 --> 01:08:14.715
I'M HERE FOR YOU.

1640
01:08:14.799 --> 01:08:17.218
USE ME AS YOU'D LIKE."

1641
01:08:17.301 --> 01:08:19.678
THERE WAS NO GUIDANCE, AS WELL,
RIGHT?

1642
01:08:19.762 --> 01:08:21.055
THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT
YOU COULDN'T DO.

1643
01:08:21.138 --> 01:08:24.642
BUT, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE WHAT YOU
SEE IN THE MOVIES, THERE'S NO

1644
01:08:24.725 --> 01:08:27.853
CLASS ON HOW TO-- HOW TO SPEAK,
HOW TO CROSS YOUR LEGS, HOW TO

1645
01:08:27.937 --> 01:08:29.021
BE ROYAL.

1646
01:08:29.104 --> 01:08:30.022
THERE'S NONE OF THAT TRAINING.

1647
01:08:30.105 --> 01:08:32.024
THAT MIGHT EXIST FOR OTHER
MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY.

1648
01:08:32.107 --> 01:08:33.359
THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS
OFFERED TO ME.

1649
01:08:33.442 --> 01:08:36.362
>> Oprah: SO, NOBODY TELLS YOU
ANYTHING?

1650
01:08:36.445 --> 01:08:37.029
>> Meghan: NO.

1651
01:08:37.112 --> 01:08:38.072
>> Oprah: NOBODY PREPARES YOU.

1652
01:08:38.155 --> 01:08:40.032
>> Meghan: NOBODY EVEN--
>> Prince Harry: THERE'S--

1653
01:08:40.115 --> 01:08:42.326
>> Meghan: SORRY, BUT EVEN DOWN
TO, LIKE, THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.

1654
01:08:42.409 --> 01:08:43.369
NO ONE THOUGHT TO SAY, "OH,
YOU'RE AMERICAN.

1655
01:08:43.452 --> 01:08:44.912
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT."

1656
01:08:44.995 --> 01:08:47.373
THAT'S ME LATE AT NIGHT,
GOOGLING HOW-- WHAT'S THE

1657
01:08:47.456 --> 01:08:48.207
NATIONAL-- I'VE GOT TO LEARN
THIS.

1658
01:08:48.290 --> 01:08:50.209
I DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS THEM.

1659
01:08:50.292 --> 01:08:52.336
I NEED TO LEARN THESE 30 HYMNS
FOR CHURCH.

1660
01:08:52.419 --> 01:08:54.880
ALL OF THIS IS TELEVISED.

1661
01:08:54.964 --> 01:08:56.841
WE WERE DOING THE TRAINING
BEHIND THE SCENES, BECAUSE I

1662
01:08:56.924 --> 01:08:58.050
JUST WANTED TO MAKE THEM PROUD.

1663
01:08:58.134 --> 01:09:02.179
>> Oprah: OKAY, BUT HERE'S THE
QUESTION: DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD

1664
01:09:02.263 --> 01:09:06.183
HAVE LEFT OR EVER STEPPED BACK
WERE IT NOT FOR MEGHAN?

1665
01:09:06.267 --> 01:09:07.893
>> Meghan: HM.

1666
01:09:07.977 --> 01:09:08.894
>> Prince Harry: NO.

1667
01:09:08.978 --> 01:09:10.062
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION
IS NO.

1668
01:09:10.145 --> 01:09:11.272
>> Oprah: YOU WOULD NOT HAVE.

1669
01:09:11.355 --> 01:09:15.609
>> Prince Harry: I WOULDN'T
HAVE-- I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE

1670
01:09:15.693 --> 01:09:17.778
TO, BECAUSE I MYSELF WAS
TRAPPED, AS WELL.

1671
01:09:17.862 --> 01:09:18.737
I DIDN'T SEE A WAY OUT.

1672
01:09:18.821 --> 01:09:20.698
>> Oprah: SHE FELT TRAPPED, YOU
WERE TRAPPED?

1673
01:09:20.781 --> 01:09:22.241
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, I DIDN'T
SEE A WAY OUT.

1674
01:09:22.324 --> 01:09:23.242
>> Oprah: BUT YOU'D THIS LIFE,
YOUR WHOLE LIFE.

1675
01:09:23.325 --> 01:09:25.244
THIS HAS BEEN YOUR LIFE YOUR
WHOLE LIFE.

1676
01:09:25.327 --> 01:09:27.413
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, BUT, YOU
KNOW, I WAS TRAPPED, BUT I

1677
01:09:27.496 --> 01:09:28.539
DIDN'T KNOW I WAS TRAPPED.

1678
01:09:28.622 --> 01:09:29.748
>> Oprah: MM.

1679
01:09:29.832 --> 01:09:34.753
>> Prince Harry: BUT THE MOMENT
THAT I MET MEG, AND THEN OUR

1680
01:09:34.837 --> 01:09:39.091
WORLDS SORT OF COLLIDED IN THE
MOST AMAZING OF WAYS, AND THEN

1681
01:09:39.174 --> 01:09:42.261
TO SEE HOW--
>> Oprah: PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW

1682
01:09:42.344 --> 01:09:46.807
YOU, PRINCE HARRY, RAISED IN A
PALACE AND A LIFE OF PRIVILEGE--

1683
01:09:46.891 --> 01:09:48.601
LITERALLY, A PRINCE-- HOW YOU
WERE TRAPPED.

1684
01:09:48.684 --> 01:09:50.394
>> Prince Harry: TRAPPED WITHIN
THE SYSTEM, LIKE THE REST OF MY

1685
01:09:50.477 --> 01:09:53.314
FAMILY ARE.

1686
01:09:53.397 --> 01:09:56.984
MY FATHER AND MY BROTHER, THEY
ARE TRAPPED.

1687
01:09:57.067 --> 01:09:58.152
THEY DON'T GET TO LEAVE.

1688
01:09:58.235 --> 01:10:01.405
AND I HAVE HUGE COMPASSION FOR
THAT.

1689
01:10:01.488 --> 01:10:07.244
>> Oprah: WELL, OKAY, SO THE
IMPRESSION OF THE WORLD-- MAYBE

1690
01:10:07.328 --> 01:10:08.454
IT'S A FALSE IMPRESSION-- IS
THAT, FOR ALL THESE YEARS BEFORE

1691
01:10:08.537 --> 01:10:13.250
MEGHAN, YOU WERE LIVING YOUR
LIFE AS A ROYAL, PRINCE HARRY--

1692
01:10:13.334 --> 01:10:15.961
THE BELOVED PRINCE HARRY-- AND
THAT YOU WERE ENJOYING THAT

1693
01:10:16.045 --> 01:10:17.129
LIFE.

1694
01:10:17.212 --> 01:10:18.255
WE DIDN'T GET THE IMPRESSION
THAT YOU WERE FEELING TRAPPED

1695
01:10:18.339 --> 01:10:21.175
IN THAT LIFE.

1696
01:10:21.258 --> 01:10:24.094
>> Prince Harry: ENJOYING THE
LIFE BECAUSE THERE WERE

1697
01:10:24.178 --> 01:10:25.262
PHOTOGRAPHS OF ME SMILING WHILE
I WAS SHAKING HANDS AND MEETING

1698
01:10:25.346 --> 01:10:27.431
PEOPLE?

1699
01:10:27.514 --> 01:10:30.476
LIKE, I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE
COVERED SOME OF THAT.

1700
01:10:30.559 --> 01:10:31.477
THAT'S-- THAT'S A PART OF THE
JOB.

1701
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:32.186
THAT'S A PART OF THE ROLE.

1702
01:10:32.269 --> 01:10:34.021
THAT'S WHAT'S EXPECTED.

1703
01:10:34.104 --> 01:10:36.732
NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE IN THE
FAMILY, NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING

1704
01:10:36.815 --> 01:10:40.819
ON IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE, NO
MATTER WHAT'S JUST HAPPENED, IF

1705
01:10:40.903 --> 01:10:42.780
THE BIKES ROLL UP AND THE CAR
ROLLS UP, YOU GOT TO GET

1706
01:10:42.863 --> 01:10:44.490
DRESSED, YOU GOT TO GET IN
THERE.

1707
01:10:44.573 --> 01:10:46.825
YOU WIPE YOUR TEARS AWAY, SHAKE
OFF WHATEVER YOU'RE THINKING

1708
01:10:46.909 --> 01:10:47.785
ABOUT, AND YOU GOT TO BE ON YOUR
"A" GAME.

1709
01:10:47.868 --> 01:10:49.453
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1710
01:10:49.536 --> 01:10:53.332
WHAT WOULD YOU THINK YOUR MOM
WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS STEPPING

1711
01:10:53.415 --> 01:10:56.335
BACK, THIS DECISION TO STEP BACK
FROM THE ROYAL FAMILY?

1712
01:10:56.418 --> 01:10:59.546
HOW WOULD SHE FEEL ABOUT THIS
MOMENT?

1713
01:10:59.630 --> 01:11:01.340
>> Prince Harry: I THINK SHE
WOULD FEEL VERY ANGRY WITH HOW

1714
01:11:01.423 --> 01:11:07.471
THIS HAS PANNED OUT, AND VERY
SAD.

1715
01:11:07.554 --> 01:11:12.476
BUT, ULTIMATELY, SHE'D-- ALL
SHE'D EV-- ALL SHE'D EVER WANT

1716
01:11:12.559 --> 01:11:13.686
IS FOR US TO BE HAPPY.

1717
01:11:13.769 --> 01:11:14.478
>> Oprah: MEGHAN SHARED WITH US
THAT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION

1718
01:11:14.561 --> 01:11:16.021
WITH YOU ABOUT ARCHIE'S SKIN
TONE.

1719
01:11:16.105 --> 01:11:17.815
>> Prince Harry: MM-HMM.

1720
01:11:17.898 --> 01:11:22.778
>> Oprah: WHAT WAS THAT
CONVERSATION?

1721
01:11:26.448 --> 01:11:28.283
>> Oprah: YOU WANTED FREEDOM
FROM-- FROM THAT LIFE.

1722
01:11:28.367 --> 01:11:30.286
YOU WANTED FREEDOM TO MAKE YOUR
OWN MONEY.

1723
01:11:30.369 --> 01:11:32.371
YOU WANTED FREEDOM TO MAKE DEALS
WITH NETFLIX AND SPOTIFY.

1724
01:11:32.454 --> 01:11:38.252
BUT YOU ALSO WANTED TO SERVE THE
QUEEN.

1725
01:11:38.335 --> 01:11:40.879
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, WE DIDN'T
WANT TO-- WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE

1726
01:11:40.963 --> 01:11:44.216
UP, OR WE DIDN'T WANT TO TURN
OUR BACKS ON THE ASSOCIATIONS

1727
01:11:44.299 --> 01:11:46.343
AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE-- THAT
WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTING.

1728
01:11:46.427 --> 01:11:47.553
>> Meghan: BUT ALSO, OPRAH, IT
EXISTS.

1729
01:11:47.636 --> 01:11:49.722
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, IT
EXISTS.

1730
01:11:49.805 --> 01:11:53.684
BUT, ALSO, THE NETFLIX AND THE
SPOTIFY, THEY'RE ALL-- THAT WAS

1731
01:11:53.767 --> 01:11:55.060
NEVER PART OF THE PLAN.

1732
01:11:55.144 --> 01:11:55.894
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1733
01:11:55.978 --> 01:11:56.687
>> Oprah: BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T
HAVE A PLAN.

1734
01:11:56.770 --> 01:11:57.563
>> Meghan: WE DIDN'T HAVE A
PLAN.

1735
01:11:57.646 --> 01:11:58.731
>> Prince Harry: WE DIDN'T HAVE
A PLAN.

1736
01:11:58.814 --> 01:12:01.900
THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY SOMEBODY
ELSE BY THE POINT OF WHERE MY

1737
01:12:01.984 --> 01:12:04.445
FAMILY LITERALLY CUT ME OFF
FINANCIALLY, AND I HAD TO

1738
01:12:04.528 --> 01:12:05.904
AFFORD-- AFFORD SECURITY FOR--
FOR US.

1739
01:12:05.988 --> 01:12:06.405
>> Oprah: WAIT.

1740
01:12:06.488 --> 01:12:07.239
HOLD-- HOLD UP.

1741
01:12:07.322 --> 01:12:09.199
WAIT A MINUTE.

1742
01:12:09.283 --> 01:12:10.909
YOUR FAMILY CUT YOU OFF?

1743
01:12:10.993 --> 01:12:12.536
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, IN THE
FIRST HALF, THE FIRST QUARTER OF

1744
01:12:12.619 --> 01:12:13.746
2020.

1745
01:12:13.829 --> 01:12:17.541
BUT I'VE GOT WHAT MY MUM LEFT
ME, AND, WITHOUT THAT, WE WOULD

1746
01:12:17.624 --> 01:12:19.084
NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS.

1747
01:12:19.168 --> 01:12:20.294
>> Oprah: OKAY.

1748
01:12:20.377 --> 01:12:21.545
>> Prince Harry: SO, YOU KNOW,
TOUCHING BACK ON WHAT YOU ASKED

1749
01:12:21.628 --> 01:12:26.425
ME, WHAT MY MUM WOULD THINK OF
THIS, I THINK SHE SAW IT COMING.

1750
01:12:26.508 --> 01:12:28.302
AND I CERTAINLY FELT HER
PRESENCE THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE

1751
01:12:28.385 --> 01:12:31.305
PROCESS.

1752
01:12:31.388 --> 01:12:34.433
AND, YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I'M-- I'M
JUST REALLY RELIEVED AND HAPPY

1753
01:12:34.516 --> 01:12:41.607
TO BE SITTING HERE TALKING TO
YOU WITH MY WIFE BY MY SIDE.

1754
01:12:41.690 --> 01:12:46.278
BECAUSE I CAN'T BEGIN TO IMAGINE
WHAT IT MUST HAVE BEEN LIKE FOR

1755
01:12:46.362 --> 01:12:48.572
HER GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS
BY HERSELF ALL THOSE YEARS AGO,

1756
01:12:48.655 --> 01:12:50.824
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN UNBELIEVABLY
TOUGH FOR THE TWO OF US, BUT AT

1757
01:12:50.908 --> 01:12:51.950
LEAST WE HAD EACH OTHER.

1758
01:12:52.034 --> 01:12:53.786
>> Oprah: WHAT'S YOUR
RELATIONSHIP LIKE NOW WITH YOUR

1759
01:12:53.869 --> 01:12:56.080
FAMILY?

1760
01:12:56.163 --> 01:12:57.498
>> Prince Harry: I'VE SPOKEN
MOR-- MORE TO MY GRANDMOTHER IN

1761
01:12:57.581 --> 01:13:00.626
THE LAST YEAR THAN I HAVE DONE
FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

1762
01:13:00.709 --> 01:13:02.586
>> Oprah: DO YOU ALL HAVE ZOOM
CALLS?

1763
01:13:02.669 --> 01:13:04.171
>> Prince Harry: WE DID A COUPLE
OF ZOOM CALLS WITH ARCHIE.

1764
01:13:04.254 --> 01:13:06.298
>> Meghan: SOMETIMES, YES, SO
THEY CAN SEE ARCHIE.

1765
01:13:06.381 --> 01:13:07.424
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1766
01:13:07.508 --> 01:13:07.841
>> Prince Harry: MY GRANDMOTHER
AND I HAVE A REALLY GOOD

1767
01:13:07.925 --> 01:13:08.926
RELATIONSHIP...

1768
01:13:09.009 --> 01:13:09.802
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1769
01:13:09.885 --> 01:13:10.803
>> Prince Harry: ...AND AN
UNDERSTANDING.

1770
01:13:10.886 --> 01:13:12.554
AND I HAVE A DEEP RESPECT FOR
HER.

1771
01:13:12.638 --> 01:13:14.640
SHE'S MY COLONEL IN CHIEF,
RIGHT?

1772
01:13:14.723 --> 01:13:15.599
SHE ALWAYS WILL BE.

1773
01:13:15.682 --> 01:13:21.647
>> Oprah: YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
YOUR FATHER?

1774
01:13:21.730 --> 01:13:23.690
IS HE TAKING YOUR CALLS NOW?

1775
01:13:23.774 --> 01:13:24.066
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1776
01:13:24.149 --> 01:13:26.485
YEAH, HE IS.

1777
01:13:26.568 --> 01:13:30.656
THERE'S A LOT TO WORK THROUGH
THERE, YOU KNOW?

1778
01:13:30.739 --> 01:13:37.371
I-- I FEEL REALLY LET DOWN,
BECAUSE HE'S BEEN THROUGH

1779
01:13:37.454 --> 01:13:43.335
SOMETHING SIMILAR.

1780
01:13:43.418 --> 01:13:46.213
HE KNOWS WHAT PAIN FEELS LIKE,
AND THIS IS-- AND ARCHIE'S HIS

1781
01:13:46.296 --> 01:13:48.382
GRANDSON.

1782
01:13:48.465 --> 01:13:53.137
AND-- BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU
KNOW, I-- OF COURSE I WILL

1783
01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:55.889
ALWAYS-- I WILL ALWAYS LOVE HIM,
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF HURT THAT'S

1784
01:13:55.973 --> 01:14:00.519
HAPPENED.

1785
01:14:00.602 --> 01:14:06.525
AND-- AND I WILL CONTINUE TO--
TO MAKE IT ONE OF MY PRIORITIES

1786
01:14:06.608 --> 01:14:11.530
TO TRY AND HEAL THAT
RELATIONSHIP.

1787
01:14:11.613 --> 01:14:15.242
AND-- BUT THEY ONLY KNOW WHAT
THEY KNOW, AND THAT'S THE THING.

1788
01:14:15.325 --> 01:14:17.494
I'VE TRIED TO--
>> Meghan: OR WHAT THEY'RE TOLD.

1789
01:14:17.578 --> 01:14:20.581
>> Prince Harry: OR WHAT THEY'RE
TOLD.

1790
01:14:20.664 --> 01:14:22.833
AND I'VE TRIED TO EDUCATE THEM
THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT I HAVE

1791
01:14:22.916 --> 01:14:23.959
BEEN EDUCATED.

1792
01:14:24.042 --> 01:14:25.502
>> Oprah: BECAUSE IS IT LIKE
BEING IN A BIG ROYAL BUBBLE?

1793
01:14:25.586 --> 01:14:26.545
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1794
01:14:26.628 --> 01:14:28.046
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1795
01:14:28.130 --> 01:14:28.422
AND YOUR BROTHER?

1796
01:14:28.505 --> 01:14:30.340
RELATIONSHIP?

1797
01:14:30.424 --> 01:14:31.717
MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT.

1798
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:33.051
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, AND MUCH
WILL CONTINUE TO BE SAID ABOUT

1799
01:14:33.135 --> 01:14:34.553
THAT.

1800
01:14:34.636 --> 01:14:38.307
YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE,
I LOVE WILLIAM TO BITS.

1801
01:14:38.390 --> 01:14:39.057
HE'S MY BROTHER.

1802
01:14:39.141 --> 01:14:40.767
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH HELL
TOGETHER.

1803
01:14:40.851 --> 01:14:43.687
I MEAN, WE HAVE A SHARED
EXPERIENCE.

1804
01:14:43.770 --> 01:14:45.522
BUT WE-- YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON--
WE'RE ON DIFFERENT PATHS.

1805
01:14:45.606 --> 01:14:51.028
>> Oprah: WELL, WHAT IS
PARTICULARLY STRIKING IS WHAT

1806
01:14:51.111 --> 01:14:54.907
MEGHAN SHARED WITH US EARLIER,
IS THAT NO ONE WANTS TO ADMIT

1807
01:14:54.990 --> 01:15:00.245
THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ABOUT RACE
OR THAT RACE HAS PLAYED A ROLE

1808
01:15:00.329 --> 01:15:05.042
IN THE TROLLING AND THE VITRIOL,
AND YET MEGHAN SHARED WITH US

1809
01:15:05.125 --> 01:15:07.127
THAT THERE WAS A CONVERSATION
WITH YOU ABOUT ARCHIE'S SKIN

1810
01:15:07.211 --> 01:15:07.753
TONE.

1811
01:15:07.836 --> 01:15:09.796
>> Prince Harry: MM-HMM.

1812
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:14.384
>> Oprah: WHAT WAS THAT
CONVERSATION?

1813
01:15:14.468 --> 01:15:21.141
>> Prince Harry: THAT
CONVERSATION I'M NEVER GOING TO

1814
01:15:21.225 --> 01:15:22.267
SHARE, BUT AT THE TIME-- AT THE
TIME, IT WAS AWKWARD.

1815
01:15:22.351 --> 01:15:23.435
I WAS A BIT SHOCKED.

1816
01:15:23.518 --> 01:15:25.145
>> Oprah: CAN YOU-- CAN YOU TELL
US WHAT THE QUESTION WAS?

1817
01:15:25.229 --> 01:15:26.980
>> Prince Harry: NO.

1818
01:15:27.064 --> 01:15:28.065
I DON'T-- I'M NOT COMFORTABLE
WITH SHARING THAT.

1819
01:15:28.148 --> 01:15:29.816
>> Oprah: OKAY.

1820
01:15:29.900 --> 01:15:31.235
>> Prince Harry: BUT THAT WAS--
THAT WAS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING,

1821
01:15:31.318 --> 01:15:33.612
RIGHT?

1822
01:15:33.695 --> 01:15:34.696
>> Oprah: LIKE, WHAT WILL THE
BABY LOOK LIKE?

1823
01:15:34.780 --> 01:15:35.906
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, WHAT WILL
THE KIDS LOOK LIKE?

1824
01:15:35.989 --> 01:15:37.115
>> Oprah: WHAT WILL THE KIDS
LOOK LIKE?

1825
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.076
>> Prince Harry: BUT THAT WAS
RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, WHEN SHE

1826
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:43.455
WASN'T GOING TO GET SECURITY,
WHEN MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY WERE

1827
01:15:43.538 --> 01:15:45.832
SUGGESTING THAT SHE CARRIES ON
ACTING, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT

1828
01:15:45.916 --> 01:15:47.334
ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR HER, AND
ALL THIS SORT OF STUFF.

1829
01:15:47.417 --> 01:15:49.753
LIKE, THERE WAS SOME REAL
OBVIOUS SIGNS BEFORE WE EVEN GOT

1830
01:15:49.836 --> 01:15:54.633
MARRIED THAT THIS WAS GOING TO
BE REALLY HARD.

1831
01:15:54.716 --> 01:15:57.344
>> Oprah: SO, IN CONCLUSION, IF
YOU'D HAD THE SUPPORT, YOU'D

1832
01:15:57.427 --> 01:15:58.971
STILL BE THERE?

1833
01:15:59.054 --> 01:15:59.846
>> Prince Harry: WITHOUT
QUESTION.

1834
01:15:59.930 --> 01:16:01.139
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1835
01:16:01.223 --> 01:16:05.143
>> Prince Harry: I'M SAD THAT--
THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED HAS

1836
01:16:05.227 --> 01:16:09.481
HAPPENED, BUT I KNOW, AND I'M
COMFORTABLE IN KNOWING THAT WE

1837
01:16:09.564 --> 01:16:11.650
DID EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD TO
MAKE IT WORK.

1838
01:16:11.733 --> 01:16:16.697
AND WE DID EVERYTHING ON THE
EXIT PROCESS THE WAY THAT-- THE

1839
01:16:16.780 --> 01:16:18.323
WAY THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN
DONE.

1840
01:16:18.407 --> 01:16:19.157
>> Meghan: WITH AS MUCH RESPECT.

1841
01:16:19.241 --> 01:16:20.325
>> Prince Harry: WITH AS MUCH
RESPECT.

1842
01:16:20.409 --> 01:16:21.493
>> Meghan: AND, OH, MY GOD, WE
JUST DID EVERYTHING WE COULD

1843
01:16:21.576 --> 01:16:23.954
TO-- TO PROTECT THEM.

1844
01:16:24.037 --> 01:16:27.624
>> Oprah: SO, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO
THE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT YOU CAME

1845
01:16:27.708 --> 01:16:31.503
HERE, YOU MADE THESE
MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR DEALS, AND

1846
01:16:31.586 --> 01:16:34.131
THAT YOU'RE JUST MONEY-GRABBING
ROYALS?

1847
01:16:34.214 --> 01:16:35.757
>> Prince Harry: FIRST OFF, THIS
WAS NEVER THE INTENTION.

1848
01:16:35.841 --> 01:16:36.174
>> Oprah: MM-HMM.

1849
01:16:36.258 --> 01:16:37.759
>> Meghan: YEAH.

1850
01:16:37.843 --> 01:16:40.804
>> Prince Harry: AND WE'RE
CERTAINLY NOT COMPLAINING.

1851
01:16:40.887 --> 01:16:41.430
WE-- OUR LIFE IS GREAT NOW.

1852
01:16:41.513 --> 01:16:43.682
WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE.

1853
01:16:43.765 --> 01:16:47.519
WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL-- I'VE GOT
A BEAUTIFUL FAMILY.

1854
01:16:47.603 --> 01:16:51.690
AND THE DOGS-- THE DOGS ARE
REALLY HAPPY.

1855
01:16:51.773 --> 01:16:56.737
BUT, AT THE TIME, DURING COVID,
THE SUGGESTION BY A FRIEND WAS

1856
01:16:56.820 --> 01:16:57.863
WHAT ABOUT STREAMERS?

1857
01:16:57.946 --> 01:16:58.530
>> Meghan: YEAH, WE GENUINELY
HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT

1858
01:16:58.613 --> 01:16:59.489
BEFORE.

1859
01:16:59.573 --> 01:17:00.449
>> Prince Harry: WE HADN'T
THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

1860
01:17:00.532 --> 01:17:02.534
SO, THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF
DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

1861
01:17:02.617 --> 01:17:07.039
AND, LOOK, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
ALL I NEEDED WAS ENOUGH MONEY TO

1862
01:17:07.122 --> 01:17:09.166
BE ABLE TO PAY FOR SECURITY TO
KEEP MY FAMILY SAFE.

1863
01:17:09.249 --> 01:17:13.170
>> Oprah: MM.

1864
01:17:13.253 --> 01:17:16.423
HOW WILL YOU USE ARCHEWELL AS A
MEANS OF SPEAKING TO THINGS THAT

1865
01:17:16.506 --> 01:17:19.343
ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU IN THE
WORLD?

1866
01:17:19.426 --> 01:17:22.054
>> Meghan: I THINK IN CREATING--
I MEAN, LIFE IS ABOUT

1867
01:17:22.137 --> 01:17:23.138
STORYTELLING, RIGHT?

1868
01:17:23.221 --> 01:17:24.765
ABOUT THE STORIES WE TELL
OURSELVES, THE STORIES WE'RE

1869
01:17:24.848 --> 01:17:25.932
TOLD, WHAT WE BUY INTO.

1870
01:17:26.016 --> 01:17:30.896
AND-- AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO
HAVE STORYTELLING THROUGH A

1871
01:17:30.979 --> 01:17:35.108
TRUTHFUL LENS, THAT HOPEFULLY IS
UPLIFTING, IS GOING TO BE GREAT

1872
01:17:35.192 --> 01:17:37.694
KNOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT
THAT CAN LAND WITH, AND BEING

1873
01:17:37.778 --> 01:17:41.406
ABLE TO GIVE A VOICE TO A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE UNDERREPRESENTED

1874
01:17:41.490 --> 01:17:43.283
AND AREN'T REALLY HEARD.

1875
01:17:43.367 --> 01:17:45.243
>> Oprah: ANY REGRETS?

1876
01:17:58.673 --> 01:18:00.842
>> Meghan: THIS MORNING, I WOKE
UP EARLIER THAN H. AND SAW A

1877
01:18:00.926 --> 01:18:02.761
NOTE FROM SOMEONE ON OUR TEAM IN
THE U.K. SAYING THAT THE DUKE OF

1878
01:18:02.844 --> 01:18:06.139
EDINBURGH HAD GONE TO THE
HOSPITAL.

1879
01:18:06.223 --> 01:18:07.432
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1880
01:18:07.516 --> 01:18:10.102
>> Meghan: BUT I JUST PICKED UP
THE PHONE, AND I-- I CALLED THE

1881
01:18:10.185 --> 01:18:11.311
QUEEN JUST TO CHECK IN...

1882
01:18:11.395 --> 01:18:12.521
>> Oprah: YOU CHECK IN.

1883
01:18:12.604 --> 01:18:13.814
>> Meghan: JUST LIKE, I WOULD,
YOU KNOW-- THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

1884
01:18:13.897 --> 01:18:17.818
IT'S LIKE BEING ABLE TO DEFAULT
TO NOT HAVING TO EVERY MOMENT

1885
01:18:17.901 --> 01:18:19.236
GO, IS THAT APPROPRIATE?

1886
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:20.654
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1887
01:18:20.737 --> 01:18:24.783
>> Prince Harry: FOR SO MANY IN
MY FAMILY, WHAT THEY DO IS,

1888
01:18:24.866 --> 01:18:26.576
THERE'S A LEVEL OF CONTROL IN
IT, RIGHT?

1889
01:18:26.660 --> 01:18:28.412
BECAUSE THEY'RE FEARFUL OF WHAT
THE PAPERS ARE GOING TO SAY

1890
01:18:28.495 --> 01:18:28.829
ABOUT THEM.

1891
01:18:28.912 --> 01:18:30.080
>> Oprah: YEAH.

1892
01:18:30.163 --> 01:18:31.790
>> Prince Harry: WHEREAS, WITH
US, IT WAS JUST LIKE, JUST BE--

1893
01:18:31.873 --> 01:18:32.249
JUST BE YOURSELF.

1894
01:18:32.332 --> 01:18:33.625
JUST BE GENUINE.

1895
01:18:33.708 --> 01:18:35.460
JUST BE AUTHENTIC.

1896
01:18:35.544 --> 01:18:36.294
JUST GO AND DO WHAT IT IS.

1897
01:18:36.378 --> 01:18:37.504
IF YOU GET IT WRONG, YOU GET IT
WRONG.

1898
01:18:37.587 --> 01:18:42.300
IF YOU GET IT RIGHT, YOU GET IT
RIGHT.

1899
01:18:42.384 --> 01:18:46.263
>> Oprah: ON FEBRUARY 19, 2021,
BUCKINGHAM PALACE RELEASED A

1900
01:18:46.346 --> 01:18:49.975
STATEMENT ANNOUNCING IT WAS
AGREED THAT PRINCE HARRY AND

1901
01:18:50.058 --> 01:18:51.143
MEGHAN WOULD NOT RETURN AS
WORKING MEMBERS OF THE ROYAL

1902
01:18:51.226 --> 01:18:52.728
FAMILY.

1903
01:18:52.811 --> 01:18:59.151
HARRY AND MEGHAN'S ROYAL
PATRONAGES AND PRINCE HARRY'S

1904
01:18:59.234 --> 01:19:03.613
HONORARY MILITARY TITLES WOULD
BE RETURNED TO THE QUEEN.

1905
01:19:03.697 --> 01:19:05.824
THE QUEEN'S STATEMENT WAS
RELEASED AFTER OUR INTERVIEW

1906
01:19:05.907 --> 01:19:07.826
TOOK PLACE.

1907
01:19:07.909 --> 01:19:12.122
YOUR EXIT AGREEMENT WITH THE
ROYAL FAMILY, IT'S-- THAT IS

1908
01:19:12.205 --> 01:19:14.958
COMING UP AT THE END OF THIS
MONTH.

1909
01:19:15.041 --> 01:19:16.626
>> Prince Harry: THE DECISION
IS, I THINK.

1910
01:19:16.710 --> 01:19:21.381
YEAH, I MEAN, THE DECISION--
WHAT, AS OF LAST WEEK, OR

1911
01:19:21.465 --> 01:19:23.175
WHATEVER IT WAS-- IS THAT THEY
WILL BE REMOVING EVERYTHING.

1912
01:19:23.258 --> 01:19:24.885
>> Oprah: ARE YOU HURT BY THAT
DECISION?

1913
01:19:24.968 --> 01:19:25.844
>> Prince Harry: I AM HURT.

1914
01:19:25.927 --> 01:19:27.304
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I
COMPLETELY RESPECT MY

1915
01:19:27.387 --> 01:19:29.473
GRANDMOTHER'S DECISION.

1916
01:19:29.556 --> 01:19:32.684
I WOULD STILL LOVE FOR US TO
BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT

1917
01:19:32.768 --> 01:19:36.271
THOSE ASSOCIATIONS, ALBEIT
WITHOUT THE TITLE OR THE ROLE.

1918
01:19:36.354 --> 01:19:40.025
>> Oprah: COULD YOU BE AS
SATISFIED NOW, DOING THIS

1919
01:19:40.108 --> 01:19:42.903
THROUGH YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION,
ARCHEWELL?

1920
01:19:42.986 --> 01:19:44.529
>> Meghan: WELL, WE-- THIS IS
WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT?

1921
01:19:44.613 --> 01:19:45.530
WE'RE STILL DOING IT.

1922
01:19:45.614 --> 01:19:47.282
WE'RE STILL GOING TO ALWAYS DO
THE WORK.

1923
01:19:47.365 --> 01:19:50.660
BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT
FOR YOU OR EVERYONE TO KNOW THIS

1924
01:19:50.744 --> 01:19:55.207
DECISION THAT WAS MADE ABOUT
PATRONAGES AND ALL OF THAT WAS

1925
01:19:55.290 --> 01:19:55.916
BEFORE ANYONE KNEW THAT WE WERE
SITTING DOWN WITH YOU.

1926
01:19:55.999 --> 01:19:58.335
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

1927
01:19:58.418 --> 01:20:00.253
>> Meghan: I THINK THAT IT'S-- I
CAN ONLY IMAGINE--

1928
01:20:00.337 --> 01:20:04.966
>> Oprah: I HEARD A STORY THAT
YOU'RE GETTING PUNISHED NOW.

1929
01:20:05.050 --> 01:20:06.051
THOSE WERE BEING TAKEN AWAY
BECAUSE YOU DID SIT DOWN

1930
01:20:06.134 --> 01:20:07.093
WITH ME.

1931
01:20:07.177 --> 01:20:09.221
>> Meghan: YEAH, BUT THAT WAS--
THOSE LETTERS, THOSE

1932
01:20:09.304 --> 01:20:11.848
CONVERSATIONS, THAT WAS-- THAT
WAS FINALIZED BEFORE ANYONE EVEN

1933
01:20:11.932 --> 01:20:13.558
KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO SIT
DOWN.

1934
01:20:13.642 --> 01:20:15.352
SO, THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE.

1935
01:20:15.435 --> 01:20:19.523
>> Oprah: ALL RIGHT, TELL ME
THIS, HARRY: WHAT DELIGHTS YOU

1936
01:20:19.606 --> 01:20:24.402
NOW IN YOUR EVERYDAY EXPERIENCE
AND THE THINGS THAT YOU ACTUALLY

1937
01:20:24.486 --> 01:20:32.744
CHERISH IN YOUR LIFE HERE WITH
ARCHIE AND MEGHAN?

1938
01:20:32.827 --> 01:20:37.958
>> Prince Harry: THIS YEAR HAS
BEEN CRAZY FOR EVERYBODY, BUT

1939
01:20:38.041 --> 01:20:40.877
TO HAVE OUTDOOR SPACE WHERE I
CAN GO FOR WALKS WITH ARCHIE,

1940
01:20:40.961 --> 01:20:44.714
AND WE CAN GO FOR WALKS AS A
FAMILY AND WITH THE DOGS, AND WE

1941
01:20:44.798 --> 01:20:46.967
CAN GO ON HIKES-- WE'LL GO DOWN
TO THE BEACH, WHICH IS SO

1942
01:20:47.050 --> 01:20:51.930
CLOSE-- ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE
JUST-- I GUESS, THE HIGHLIGHT

1943
01:20:52.013 --> 01:20:57.602
FOR ME IS STICKING HIM ON THE
BACK OF THE BICYCLE IN HIS

1944
01:20:57.686 --> 01:20:58.937
LITTLE BABY SEAT AND TAKE HIM ON
THESE BIKE RIDES, WHICH IS

1945
01:20:59.020 --> 01:21:02.941
SOMETHING I WAS NEVER ABLE TO DO
WHEN I WAS YOUNG.

1946
01:21:03.024 --> 01:21:04.234
I CAN SEE HIM ON THE BACK, AND
HE'S GOT HIS ARMS OUT.

1947
01:21:04.317 --> 01:21:07.654
AND HE'S LIKE "WHOO," CHATTING,
CHATTING, CHATTING; GOING, "PALM

1948
01:21:07.737 --> 01:21:09.573
TREE, HOUSE," AND ALL THIS SORT
OF STUFF.

1949
01:21:09.656 --> 01:21:10.740
AND I DO-- I THINK TO MYSELF--
>> Oprah: WHAT'S HIS NEW

1950
01:21:10.824 --> 01:21:11.408
FAVORITE WORD?

1951
01:21:11.491 --> 01:21:12.075
WHAT'S HIS FAVORITE WORD NOW?

1952
01:21:12.158 --> 01:21:13.451
>> Meghan: OH, MY GOSH.

1953
01:21:13.535 --> 01:21:14.786
HE'S ON A ROLL.

1954
01:21:14.869 --> 01:21:16.454
IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, IT HAS
BEEN "HYDRATE," WHICH IS JUST

1955
01:21:16.538 --> 01:21:17.622
HYSTERICAL.

1956
01:21:17.706 --> 01:21:18.999
>> Prince Harry: BUT, ALSO,
WHENEVER EVERYONE LEAVES THE

1957
01:21:19.082 --> 01:21:19.791
HOUSE, HE'S LIKE, "DRIVE SAFE."

1958
01:21:19.875 --> 01:21:21.001
>> Meghan: "DRIVE SAFE."

1959
01:21:21.084 --> 01:21:22.335
>> Oprah:<i> ( LAUGHS )</i>
>> Prince Harry: WHICH IS

1960
01:21:22.419 --> 01:21:23.086
REALLY...

1961
01:21:23.169 --> 01:21:25.964
>> Meghan: HE'S NOT EVEN TWO
YET!

1962
01:21:26.047 --> 01:21:28.300
>> Oprah: YOU SAID THAT YOUR
BROTHER WAS TRAPPED.

1963
01:21:28.383 --> 01:21:28.967
YOU SAID THAT YOU LOVE YOUR
BROTHER AND ALWAYS WILL LOVE

1964
01:21:29.050 --> 01:21:31.803
YOUR BROTHER.

1965
01:21:31.886 --> 01:21:34.931
YOU DIDN'T TELL ME WHAT THE
RELATIONSHIP IS NOW, THOUGH.

1966
01:21:35.015 --> 01:21:37.976
>> Prince Harry: THE
RELATIONSHIP IS SPACE, AT THE

1967
01:21:38.059 --> 01:21:42.522
MOMENT.

1968
01:21:42.606 --> 01:21:44.649
AND, YOU KNOW, TIME HEALS ALL
THINGS, HOPEFULLY.

1969
01:21:44.733 --> 01:21:48.194
>> Oprah: ANY REGRETS?

1970
01:21:48.278 --> 01:21:51.656
>> Prince Harry: NO.

1971
01:21:51.740 --> 01:21:54.492
I MEAN, NO, I THINK WE'VE DONE--
I'M REALLY PROUD OF US, YOU

1972
01:21:54.576 --> 01:21:57.829
KNOW?

1973
01:21:57.912 --> 01:22:00.540
I'M SO PROUD OF-- I'M SO PROUD
OF MY WIFE.

1974
01:22:00.624 --> 01:22:05.670
LIKE, SHE SAFELY DELIVERED
ARCHIE DURING A PERIOD OF TIME

1975
01:22:05.754 --> 01:22:07.172
WHICH WAS SO CRUEL AND SO MEAN.

1976
01:22:07.255 --> 01:22:10.925
AND EVERY SINGLE DAY I WAS
COMING BACK FROM WORK, FROM

1977
01:22:11.009 --> 01:22:12.218
LONDON, I WAS COMING BACK TO MY
WIFE CRYING WHILE BREASTFEEDING

1978
01:22:12.302 --> 01:22:13.845
ARCHIE.

1979
01:22:13.929 --> 01:22:17.015
THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO
WASN'T READING ANYTHING.

1980
01:22:17.098 --> 01:22:19.643
AND AS SHE TOUCHED ON EARLIER,
IF SHE HAD READ ANYTHING, SHE

1981
01:22:19.726 --> 01:22:23.355
WOULDN'T BE HERE NOW.

1982
01:22:23.438 --> 01:22:27.025
SO, WE DID WHAT WE HAD TO DO,
AND NOW WE'VE GOT ANOTHER LITTLE

1983
01:22:27.108 --> 01:22:27.901
ONE ON THE WAY.

1984
01:22:27.984 --> 01:22:31.696
>> Meghan: I HAVE ONE.

1985
01:22:31.780 --> 01:22:34.908
MY REGRET IS BELIEVING THEM WHEN
THEY SAID I WOULD BE PROTECTED.

1986
01:22:34.991 --> 01:22:38.370
I BELIEVED THAT.

1987
01:22:38.453 --> 01:22:43.416
AND I REGRET BELIEVING THAT
BECAUSE I THINK, HAD I REALLY

1988
01:22:43.500 --> 01:22:44.709
SEEN THAT THAT WASN'T HAPPENING,
I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO

1989
01:22:44.793 --> 01:22:47.087
MORE.

1990
01:22:47.170 --> 01:22:49.047
BUT I THINK I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO
SEE IT.

1991
01:22:49.130 --> 01:22:54.886
I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW.

1992
01:22:54.969 --> 01:23:01.976
AND-- AND NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE
ACTUALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE,

1993
01:23:02.060 --> 01:23:06.189
WE'VE ACTUALLY NOT JUST SURVIVED
BUT ARE THRIVING.

1994
01:23:06.272 --> 01:23:08.942
YOU KNOW, THIS-- I MEAN, THIS IS
MIRACLES.

1995
01:23:09.025 --> 01:23:17.409
I-- YEAH, I THINK THAT ALL OF
THOSE THINGS THAT I WAS HOPING

1996
01:23:17.492 --> 01:23:18.910
FOR HAVE HAPPENED, AND THIS IS
IN SOME WAYS JUST THE BEGINNING

1997
01:23:18.993 --> 01:23:19.953
FOR US.

1998
01:23:20.036 --> 01:23:23.415
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A
LOT.

1999
01:23:23.498 --> 01:23:26.751
IT'S FELT LIKE A LIFETIME.

2000
01:23:26.835 --> 01:23:27.919
<i>( LAUGHS )</i>
A LIFETIME.

2001
01:23:28.002 --> 01:23:29.129
>> Oprah: SO, YOUR STORY WITH
THE PRINCE DOES HAVE A HAPPY

2002
01:23:29.212 --> 01:23:30.922
ENDING.

2003
01:23:31.005 --> 01:23:32.257
>> Meghan: IT DOES.

2004
01:23:32.340 --> 01:23:32.924
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

2005
01:23:33.007 --> 01:23:35.593
>> Meghan: YEAH.

2006
01:23:35.677 --> 01:23:36.761
<i>( LAUGHS )</i>
IT REALLY DID.

2007
01:23:36.845 --> 01:23:37.971
>> Oprah: IT HAS A HAPPY ENDING
BECAUSE YOU MADE IT SO.

2008
01:23:38.054 --> 01:23:40.140
>> Meghan: YEAH, GREATER THAN
ANY FAIRY TALE YOU'VE EVER READ.

2009
01:23:40.223 --> 01:23:41.057
>> Oprah: GREATER THAN ANY
FAIRY TALE.

2010
01:23:41.141 --> 01:23:42.892
>> Meghan: YEAH, YEAH.

2011
01:23:42.976 --> 01:23:46.104
>> Oprah: WHAT YOU'VE DESCRIBED
HERE TODAY, BEING TRAPPED AND

2012
01:23:46.187 --> 01:23:50.066
NOT EVEN BEING AWARE OF IT AND
ALL THE THINGS THAT HAD

2013
01:23:50.150 --> 01:23:54.738
TRANSPIRED, AND THEN SHE COMES
INTO YOUR LIFE AND THEN YOU'RE

2014
01:23:54.821 --> 01:23:58.950
DOING THERAPY, DO YOU THINK IN
SOME WAY SHE SAVED YOU?

2015
01:23:59.033 --> 01:24:00.076
>> Prince Harry: YEAH.

2016
01:24:00.160 --> 01:24:01.786
WITH-- WITHOUT QUESTION.

2017
01:24:01.870 --> 01:24:04.497
THERE WAS-- THERE WAS A BIGGER
PURPOSE.

2018
01:24:04.581 --> 01:24:07.125
THERE WAS OTHER FORCES AT PLAY,
I THINK, THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE

2019
01:24:07.208 --> 01:24:09.127
PROCESS.

2020
01:24:09.210 --> 01:24:14.758
I'M THE LAST PERSON TO THINK,
OOH, YOU KNOW?

2021
01:24:14.841 --> 01:24:15.175
BUT IT'S UNDENIABLE WHEN THESE
THINGS HAVE HAPPENED, WHERE THE

2022
01:24:15.258 --> 01:24:18.178
OVERLAP IS.

2023
01:24:18.261 --> 01:24:22.140
SO, YEAH, SHE DID, WITHOUT--
WITHOUT QUESTION SHE SAVED ME.

2024
01:24:22.223 --> 01:24:23.308
>> Meghan: AND I WOULD-- I
WOULD, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S

2025
01:24:23.391 --> 01:24:23.808
LOVELY.

2026
01:24:23.892 --> 01:24:24.559
I WOULD DISAGREE.

2027
01:24:24.642 --> 01:24:28.521
I THINK HE SAVED ALL OF US,
RIGHT?

2028
01:24:28.605 --> 01:24:33.109
HE ULTIMATELY CALLED IT AND WAS
LIKE, "WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY

2029
01:24:33.193 --> 01:24:35.653
FOR US, FOR ARCHIE."

2030
01:24:35.737 --> 01:24:41.659
AND YOU MADE A DECISION THAT
SAVED-- CERTAINLY SAVED MY LIFE

2031
01:24:41.743 --> 01:24:42.577
AND SAVED ALL OF US.

2032
01:24:42.660 --> 01:24:45.955
BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO WANT
TO BE SAVED.

2033
01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:48.833
>> Oprah: WELL, THANK YOU FOR
SHARING YOUR LOVE STORY.

2034
01:24:48.917 --> 01:24:51.753
WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE BIG DAY
SOMETIME THIS SUMMER.

2035
01:24:51.836 --> 01:24:52.462
>> Meghan: YES, INDEED.

2036
01:24:52.545 --> 01:24:53.046
>> Oprah: SOMETIME THIS SUMMER.

2037
01:24:53.129 --> 01:24:54.923
>> Meghan: YEAH.

2038
01:24:55.006 --> 01:24:57.300
>> Oprah: THANK YOU BOTH FOR
TRUSTING ME TO SHARE YOUR STORY.

2039
01:24:57.383 --> 01:24:59.719
>> Meghan: THANK YOU FOR GIVING
US THE SPACE TO DO IT.

2040
01:24:59.803 --> 01:25:01.179
>> Prince Harry: YEAH, THANK
YOU.

2041
01:25:01.262 --> 01:25:03.932
>> Oprah: THIS CONVERSATION
DOESN'T END HERE.

2042
01:25:04.015 --> 01:25:07.352
THERE WAS SO MUCH MORE THAT WE
COULDN'T FIT INTO THIS SPECIAL.

2043
01:25:07.435 --> 01:25:12.148
JOIN ME TOMORROW AS I SHARE MORE
EXCLUSIVE MOMENTS AND DISCUSS

2044
01:25:12.232 --> 01:25:16.361
REACTION AROUND THE WORLD WITH
GAYLE, ANTHONY AND TONY ON "CBS

2045
01:25:16.444 --> 01:25:17.487
THIS MORNING."

2046
01:25:17.570 --> 01:25:18.530
SEE YOU THEN.