WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:31.200 --> 00:00:35.560 MALE VOICE 1: If he does come at you, then you simply do not have a chance. 4 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:46.120 MALE VOICE 2: What we are dealing with here 5 00:00:46.440 --> 00:00:48.920 is a perfect engine, an eating machine. 6 00:00:50.440 --> 00:00:53.200 MALE VOICE 3: Monsters like these came to dominate the seas, 7 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.840 some 350 million years ago. 8 00:01:01.040 --> 00:01:02.960 MALE VOICE 4: Never was an animal like that. Never! 9 00:01:03.080 --> 00:01:06.680 The power and the aggressiveness of the thing is beyond belief. 10 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.760 MALE VOICE 5: Ancient Indians prized his teeth for arrowheads. 11 00:01:09.880 --> 00:01:11.800 MALE VOICE 6: Of the man eater that is still at large. 12 00:01:11.880 --> 00:01:14.080 And I know what a shark looks like because I've seen one up close. 13 00:01:14.160 --> 00:01:16.240 MALE VOICE 7: You got a job. We got a panic on our hands. 14 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:19.320 MALE VOICE 8: The shark is always the winner. 15 00:01:24.320 --> 00:01:25.480 VALERIE: Pyjamies. 16 00:01:27.880 --> 00:01:29.080 Change of shirt. 17 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.400 And I'm good to go for Fiji. 18 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:39.320 And I'm going to be wearing a pink wetsuit for the bull sharks, 19 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:42.160 and I used to in the early days, and then I was asked 20 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.200 not to wear it anymore because it made me stand out, 21 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:46.560 and the bull sharks noticed. 22 00:01:47.320 --> 00:01:49.440 Well, I thought that was good, but apparently it's not. 23 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:54.400 I'm looking forward to it because I'll be seeing a lot 24 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:55.720 of good friends. 25 00:01:58.600 --> 00:02:00.560 I haven't seen them for more than a year. 26 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:07.000 I usually get out of the water screaming my head off with joy, 27 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.760 jumping around, "I love it. I love it." And I do, I love it. 28 00:02:11.480 --> 00:02:12.480 And maybe... 29 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.280 maybe I'm a bit funny... Actually, but I do, 30 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:18.160 I just love going down there. 31 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:22.040 I love seeing that big bull shark, here. Going, "Ha!" 32 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:30.200 MALE TV HOST: Now the spearfishing, were you successful? 33 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:31.560 VALERIE: Well, I was pretty good at it. 34 00:02:31.640 --> 00:02:33.240 I was about as good as a girl can get. 35 00:02:33.440 --> 00:02:34.440 One day I was down there, 36 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:36.560 a shark came along and frightened us out of the water. 37 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:37.920 It's quite exciting. 38 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.440 VALERIE: They don't have hands. 39 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.120 They feel with their nose or in very few cases, 40 00:02:50.200 --> 00:02:51.280 they feel with their teeth. 41 00:02:58.760 --> 00:03:00.720 MALE VOICE: Val has a little bump on the bottom of her chin. 42 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:02.280 She said it's a shark's tooth. 43 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:04.280 I can feel it in there. It's very painful. 44 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:13.840 MALE TV HOST: Valerie, thanks for coming in. 45 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:17.200 You've been telling us for so many years that sharks are really nice fellows. 46 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.200 Well, I haven't changed my opinion. 47 00:03:45.440 --> 00:03:48.360 FEMALE VOICE: Are you serious when you compare sharks to dogs? 48 00:03:48.760 --> 00:03:51.160 VALERIE: Yes, because it's like any animal. 49 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.160 Once you get to know it and understand it, 50 00:03:53.320 --> 00:03:55.920 you have a different attitude towards it altogether. 51 00:03:56.600 --> 00:03:58.480 And there are all sorts of dogs. 52 00:03:59.640 --> 00:04:00.800 And there are all sorts of sharks. 53 00:04:02.760 --> 00:04:07.560 And the dangerous dogs probably bite more people, and kill more people 54 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:09.920 than the dangerous sharks in the world. 55 00:04:16.440 --> 00:04:19.480 JEAN-MICHEL: We know so very little about what's in the ocean. 56 00:04:21.960 --> 00:04:24.680 And Valerie was one of the pioneers. 57 00:04:25.400 --> 00:04:29.560 Now, of course, her name was connected to sharks, sharks, sharks. 58 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:31.720 But she was doing many other things. 59 00:04:34.320 --> 00:04:36.080 JEREMIAH: Most of us were afraid of... 60 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.720 Well, not afraid, but we were always cautious and concerned 61 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:40.320 when we saw a bunch of sharks around. 62 00:04:40.880 --> 00:04:42.360 With the exception of Valerie, 63 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:44.640 who thought that was going to be a good time. 64 00:04:49.640 --> 00:04:53.720 People were making a lot of bold claims about sharks and so on, 65 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:55.280 and how dangerous they were. 66 00:04:55.880 --> 00:04:57.640 Valerie was the only one that I had met... (CHUCKLES) 67 00:04:57.760 --> 00:04:59.040 ...at that stage that felt 68 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:00.920 they weren't that dangerous, and you could actually 69 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:01.840 play around with them. 70 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.440 Long before anybody else. 71 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:14.920 VALERIE: The first time I ever could see underwater, 72 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.440 I was 14 years old... 73 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:22.680 and I saw a piece of kelp. 74 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:25.640 I thought it was amazing. 75 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.720 It was going to and fro and to and fro. 76 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.160 And I knew I had to see more. 77 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:45.680 I would slide into the water... 78 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:49.880 from the world we all know... 79 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:53.840 into another world. 80 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:58.240 A different world, alien. 81 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:06.960 I was not part of that world, I was just a visitor. 82 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:16.800 And I think that was the start. 83 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:44.120 My father had stomach ulcers, and he found it very easy to eat fish. 84 00:06:44.880 --> 00:06:48.400 And you want to please your parents and I used to go out and spear him fish. 85 00:06:49.080 --> 00:06:50.440 And I was very good at it. 86 00:06:53.520 --> 00:06:57.400 Back in the '50s, there was so much marine life, 87 00:06:57.560 --> 00:06:58.760 you learnt how to hunt. 88 00:06:59.840 --> 00:07:01.920 How to stalk a fish while holding your breath. 89 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:08.640 The first shark I saw... 90 00:07:09.960 --> 00:07:11.160 was a grey nurse. 91 00:07:17.960 --> 00:07:23.560 I was just terrified, expecting to be attacked at any minute. 92 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:36.320 We got out and we were all right. 93 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.920 I just knew that they were killers. 94 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:45.160 MALE REPORTER 1: The main holiday hazard in Britain is the weather, 95 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:47.440 but in Australia, it's sharks. 96 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.520 WENDY: No one wants to be bitten by a monster. 97 00:07:54.960 --> 00:07:59.120 When you think back to the '50s and '60s, the saying was, 98 00:07:59.200 --> 00:08:00.640 "Good shark is a dead shark." 99 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:03.680 That was it. 100 00:08:04.320 --> 00:08:06.760 MALE REPORTER 2: Outside the harbor, sharks are caught every day 101 00:08:06.840 --> 00:08:07.960 by big game fishermen. 102 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.360 JEREMIAH: In those days, we didn't have the information that we have today. 103 00:08:13.840 --> 00:08:17.680 Nature was considered a dark, evil, you know, space, 104 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:19.360 something to do with the dark side. 105 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.080 VALERIE: Spearfishing was nerve-racking, but every single step 106 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:30.000 of the way was an adventure, a step into the unknown. 107 00:08:30.520 --> 00:08:33.120 And every time you did it, you came out with a little more knowledge. 108 00:08:33.560 --> 00:08:35.520 I understood my prey. 109 00:08:50.040 --> 00:08:53.240 I eventually joined a club. It was very exciting. 110 00:08:53.640 --> 00:08:55.400 There were dozens of clubs through Sydney. 111 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.320 Spearfishing was very much a macho man's sport. 112 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:05.440 When they had the first lady spearfishing championships, 113 00:09:05.760 --> 00:09:06.920 there were seven women. 114 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:13.560 There was about 700 men. There were just so many men. 115 00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:15.480 MALE VOICE: (CHUCKLES) There we go. 116 00:09:22.640 --> 00:09:26.520 WENDY: In the '50s, diving was a completely male culture. 117 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.360 I've talked with Valerie, about what it was like 118 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:34.080 to be a woman in this male-dominated culture. 119 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:38.880 Because it was that way, she had to be stronger and sharper, 120 00:09:39.560 --> 00:09:41.840 better than everybody, to make it. 121 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:47.400 JEREMIAH: She was quite lethal. 122 00:09:47.680 --> 00:09:50.240 She would've been the lady slayer back then. 123 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:58.960 JEREMIAH: And interestingly, 124 00:09:59.040 --> 00:10:01.560 most of the great environmentalists and conservationists, 125 00:10:01.640 --> 00:10:03.960 they all started with hunting. 126 00:10:04.880 --> 00:10:08.600 Because they were the only ones who were out, involved in these things. 127 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.680 MALE REPORTER 3: Valerie is responsible for the boy's safety. 128 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.400 She will demonstrate how to deal with dangerous sharks. 129 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.720 This dangerous shark is the largest ever killed 130 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.600 by a lady skin diver anywhere in the world. 131 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.200 VALERIE: I've only ever killed one shark. 132 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:08.160 I wish I hadn't. 133 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:13.080 But at the time, there was no one to say, "This is a bad thing." 134 00:11:13.400 --> 00:11:14.880 Only say, "Oh, very good." 135 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.200 Killed a lot of fish. 136 00:11:22.040 --> 00:11:25.720 The attitude was there was so much life in the ocean. 137 00:11:26.640 --> 00:11:30.120 You could take what you wanted, and never make a difference. 138 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.080 MALE REPORTER: A girl like Valerie Heighes knows that once she gets ready to dive, 139 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.880 she must also be ready to defend herself from the dangers 140 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.120 that are always there below the surface. 141 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.080 VALERIE: I think all mothers wanted their daughters 142 00:11:42.160 --> 00:11:43.920 to get married and have children. 143 00:11:45.400 --> 00:11:49.080 It's not that I didn't want children. I wanted to do other things. 144 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:56.400 I wanted to have my own special life. 145 00:12:02.760 --> 00:12:07.840 VALERIE: Well, when I was 12, I was diagnosed with polio, 146 00:12:08.760 --> 00:12:10.280 infantile paralysis. 147 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:19.720 VALERIE: They told me until I could walk I could not go home. 148 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:23.480 I hated it in there. 149 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:31.680 They started sending me books. 150 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:34.440 They sent me the great classics, 151 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:40.200 Lorna Doone, Treasure Island, Tom Sawyer, and Huckleberry Finn. 152 00:12:45.560 --> 00:12:49.440 I just loved those books, I read them over and over. 153 00:12:50.680 --> 00:12:55.840 I read Huckleberry Finn so many times. It took me on a mental adventure. 154 00:13:02.160 --> 00:13:04.560 I'd made up my mind I was going home. 155 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.360 I struggled and struggled every day. 156 00:13:09.520 --> 00:13:10.760 And in nine weeks... 157 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.520 I walked out and my mother came and got me. 158 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.480 They said I couldn't and I did it. 159 00:13:30.520 --> 00:13:34.240 VALERIE: I'm grateful that it didn't paralyze me for life. 160 00:13:36.040 --> 00:13:42.920 I'd read those books and it made me see of all the possibilities in the planet. 161 00:13:43.760 --> 00:13:48.520 I didn't know how to achieve any of them, but I knew they existed. 162 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.120 MALE REPORTER 4: But no one's anxious to be slaving over a hot stove, 163 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.280 least of all mermaid Valerie Heighes. 164 00:13:59.800 --> 00:14:02.720 Anyone who's interested in having their picture taken by a mermaid, 165 00:14:02.800 --> 00:14:04.320 just line up, please. 166 00:14:04.920 --> 00:14:07.320 When someone like Valerie comes down here with a camera, 167 00:14:07.400 --> 00:14:10.800 you can bet all the best-looking fellows will offer to pose for her. 168 00:14:16.640 --> 00:14:18.720 VALERIE: The club used to have these trips, you know. 169 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:23.560 Ron was there, I noticed him because I used to see him spearfishing. 170 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.240 He was different from the other guys. 171 00:14:33.640 --> 00:14:37.000 VALERIE: Ron had won four Australian National titles, 172 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.920 and the World Title at this stage. 173 00:14:40.520 --> 00:14:41.720 He was the best. 174 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.200 I was looking for adventure in the underwater world, 175 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:53.840 and I used to take my 16-millimeter camera out with the team of spearfishermen 176 00:14:53.920 --> 00:14:57.720 that I was with in those days. Just experimenting. 177 00:15:00.760 --> 00:15:03.640 VALERIE: I used to be there, and he would ask me if I'd model for him. 178 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.320 And I was extremely flattered. Of course I'd model for him! 179 00:15:20.040 --> 00:15:24.160 RON: I clearly remember the first time that I filmed Valerie underwater. 180 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.080 I was very interested in Valerie because she was very attractive. 181 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.240 VALERIE: I had fun. Just flirting away, I guess. 182 00:15:41.640 --> 00:15:44.600 I made my own bikinis. 183 00:15:46.040 --> 00:15:49.320 And then one day, Ron said, "I'm going to buy you a bathing costume." 184 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:51.680 It was yellow. 185 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:57.880 RON: She was interested in the underwater world like I was. 186 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:02.760 She was aggressive, she wasn't one of these wimpish women. 187 00:16:05.680 --> 00:16:07.400 VALERIE: And then we decided to get married. 188 00:16:13.160 --> 00:16:15.440 I was the woman spearfishing champion, 189 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.560 Ron was the world spearfishing champion. 190 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.320 We were at the top of the trade. 191 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:36.520 Ron and I discovered spearing a fish often attracted sharks. 192 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.320 RODNEY: During that period of time, divers were dragging 193 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.680 four or five fish through the water. 194 00:16:49.560 --> 00:16:52.440 And of course we know now that if you want to attract sharks 195 00:16:52.520 --> 00:16:55.040 you get fish blood, and you drag it through the water, 196 00:16:55.160 --> 00:16:59.880 and so we were just bringing bait basically for a shark. 197 00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:13.240 VALERIE: We heard about Rodney's shark attack with horror. 198 00:17:14.560 --> 00:17:15.640 He was a friend! 199 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:24.320 RODNEY: There was 485 stitches in my chest, 200 00:17:24.800 --> 00:17:27.480 and 94 in my hand here, 201 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.520 and every tendon except this one was broken. 202 00:17:31.600 --> 00:17:33.280 They had to stitch them back again. 203 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:35.960 MALE REPORTER: Do you hope to continue skin diving one day? 204 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:40.760 Oh, I'll get in the water somewhere, sometime, but I don't know. 205 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:49.320 VALERIE: We knew it was a great white shark that bit him. 206 00:17:51.320 --> 00:17:56.480 We were excited about the possibility of getting footage of this beast. 207 00:17:58.040 --> 00:18:02.760 Rodney had the idea of doing a great white shark trip. 208 00:18:08.120 --> 00:18:12.920 Of course I wanted to go at the time, but I couldn't go. 209 00:18:13.800 --> 00:18:18.400 The owner and captain did not want a woman on board. 210 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.560 RON: Rodney arranged an expedition with Alf Dean. 211 00:18:26.040 --> 00:18:29.480 Alf Dean held the world record for big game fishing 212 00:18:29.560 --> 00:18:30.560 for great white sharks. 213 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.240 DOUGLAS: At the time, other people had photographed other sharks. 214 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:42.440 But there were no images of great white sharks alive, underwater. 215 00:18:45.080 --> 00:18:48.600 RON: I'd never, ever seen it before on other people's documentaries, 216 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:50.840 so I could see the potential. 217 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.560 RODNEY: After a couple of days we pulled up at Memory Cove and Alf said, 218 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.640 "I've caught and seen quite a few sharks here." 219 00:19:03.120 --> 00:19:05.600 So, he started his whale oil drip. 220 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:13.440 We got up in the morning, and saw great, big sharks. 221 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.960 DOUGLAS: The very first time I saw it, the hair stood up on the back of my neck 222 00:19:20.040 --> 00:19:21.800 because it was such a big shark. 223 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.080 DOUGLAS: Holy cow! That's a mean-looking shark. 224 00:19:55.520 --> 00:19:59.440 RODNEY: Ron actually sat on the duckboard at the back, filming some footage... 225 00:20:01.360 --> 00:20:05.400 and saw submarines with teeth. 226 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.000 RON: I thought this was a very impressive animal. 227 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.000 I thought I had something unique there. 228 00:20:40.800 --> 00:20:43.960 VALERIE: It's like liking a lion, I guess. 229 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:46.320 It's a special beast. 230 00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:58.600 After that, I hate to say it, it was just kill, kill, kill. 231 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.360 RODNEY: On that trip, Alf thought it was his duty 232 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:24.400 to catch and kill as many sharks as he could, and we ended up on the boat, 233 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:29.240 five ten-to fourteen-foot great white sharks spread out. 234 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:37.480 And that was actually the first time I started to realize 235 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.440 we've got these great big, incredible animals, 236 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:44.600 just killed and lost forever. 237 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.440 VALERIE: I thought it was sad. 238 00:21:54.040 --> 00:21:58.520 Really changed the way I looked at the world and spearfishing. 239 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:07.160 After that, Ron said, "Actually, killing fish upsets me. 240 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.440 "I'm not doing this anymore." 241 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:20.360 We put our spears down, and never did another competition again. 242 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:26.160 We said, "From now on, I'm shooting them with my camera." 243 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:35.560 SYLVIA: It was a personal revelation that made that transition, 244 00:22:36.320 --> 00:22:38.360 experience that convinced them. 245 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:40.920 It wasn't somebody telling them, they could see for themselves. 246 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:43.400 And I admire that. 247 00:23:05.080 --> 00:23:08.440 VALERIE: We were selling more and more footage for television. 248 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.000 They wouldn't just buy any underwater film... 249 00:23:20.080 --> 00:23:25.280 they wanted dangerous marine animals. Or what they thought were dangerous. 250 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:27.800 They wanted drama. 251 00:23:30.600 --> 00:23:34.640 And if I could be in the film fluttering around 252 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:36.440 amongst all these creatures, 253 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:38.400 that was even better. 254 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:47.840 Valerie would go down and just pick up anything 255 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:51.040 and bring it up and play with it and just... It was remarkable. 256 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.760 Here's this beautiful Australian gal doing all these crazy things 257 00:24:02.840 --> 00:24:04.840 that nobody's supposed to be able to do. 258 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:10.400 VALERIE: Ron often asked me to do very dangerous things. 259 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:14.840 He used to call me sometimes "Give-it-a-go-Valerie," 260 00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:18.080 whether I was cooking a new food or... 261 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:22.960 diving with sharks. (CHUCKLES) 262 00:24:31.320 --> 00:24:33.680 I wouldn't say I thought I was a Bond girl. 263 00:24:35.360 --> 00:24:38.000 Everything thing I did was to make money. 264 00:24:41.600 --> 00:24:44.960 Ron was always wanting new camera equipment. 265 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:49.640 He made all his own housings. 266 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:51.680 He was a genius. 267 00:24:52.760 --> 00:24:55.120 I'd say the cleverest man I've ever met. 268 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.360 We did whatever we could to make a living 269 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.120 out of what we loved to do. 270 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:12.840 Do you want me to feed those little tiny fish, 271 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.920 or do you want me to save it up for the big trout? 272 00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:16.680 There's not many of those little fish around. 273 00:25:16.760 --> 00:25:20.360 We'll look for the tiny yellow shells in the dendrophilia. 274 00:25:23.760 --> 00:25:25.320 DOUGLAS: Back in the 1960s, 275 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.960 there were a handful of people in the world 276 00:25:28.120 --> 00:25:31.520 that were shooting film underwater. There was Hans Hass in Germany. 277 00:25:32.840 --> 00:25:35.480 There was Stan Waterman in the United States. 278 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.200 There was Cousteau in the South of France. 279 00:25:41.760 --> 00:25:44.280 VALERIE: We saw Jacques Cousteau on television. 280 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.760 He had a lot of money from the French government... 281 00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:52.640 and he had a lot of people to help him. 282 00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.440 Whereas, we didn't have any of that. 283 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:05.280 One thing we did copy a little bit from Captain Jacques, 284 00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:07.480 he always wore a red beret. 285 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:13.520 So, I always wore a bright hair ribbon. 286 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:16.680 That was my trademark. 287 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.520 JEREMIAH: The Taylors were out there doing their thing. 288 00:26:29.760 --> 00:26:34.920 They were owning and exploring, you know, the marine environment by themselves. 289 00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:36.560 I mean, it was just Ron and Valerie. 290 00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.480 This was the golden age of new underwater information. 291 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.320 VALERIE: Very little was known around the world about sharks 292 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.480 in those days. 293 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.600 You can watch it from the boat all you want. 294 00:27:05.520 --> 00:27:08.160 You can cut it up and study everything about it. 295 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:12.480 It was like, "Oh, it will do this." And be a great scientist. 296 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:17.720 But you still haven't seen it underwater in action. 297 00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:25.520 The first great white shark I saw 298 00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:29.360 was like a freight train coming out of the mist. 299 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.440 VALERIE: It was magnificent. 300 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.120 After that, I never missed a trip to go out and see sharks. 301 00:28:08.800 --> 00:28:10.400 I found them very exciting 302 00:28:11.560 --> 00:28:13.880 and this little tin boat 303 00:28:14.120 --> 00:28:16.880 is sort of freedom when you get on the ocean. 304 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.240 The whole world is yours. 305 00:28:34.600 --> 00:28:39.320 We were both always thinking of ways to find an area where there's good sharks. 306 00:28:44.280 --> 00:28:47.320 Marion Reef is in the middle of the Coral Sea. 307 00:28:48.560 --> 00:28:50.000 A fisherman knew about it. 308 00:28:50.320 --> 00:28:53.240 And he said, "There's a lot of sharks out there." 309 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:01.160 So we baited up and we realized this was a good spot to film. 310 00:29:37.120 --> 00:29:40.680 VALERIE: So we got to know them better than most other animals. 311 00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:49.200 Next year we went back, 312 00:29:50.280 --> 00:29:52.160 and before we even dropped anchor, 313 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.920 the sharks came up to our tinny. 314 00:29:58.080 --> 00:29:59.800 They knew the sound of our boat. 315 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:08.160 They knew there'd be food, and we realized a shark can learn. 316 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.800 And you can teach one a very simple trick very quickly if you want to. 317 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.880 I knew what would make a good image, I was a photographer. 318 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.200 There was a nice pink coral and I knew where the sun was going to set. 319 00:30:30.800 --> 00:30:34.200 I started waving a bit of food around in front of the coral 320 00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:37.560 and a whitetip came in straight away, and I bopped him on the nose, 321 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:38.760 and wouldn't give it to him. 322 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.640 Eventually, he came over to the pink coral and I gave him the food. 323 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.960 I did that twice and he knew if he swam over to the pink coral, 324 00:30:54.600 --> 00:30:57.800 in a certain direction, he'd get a piece of food, just a small piece of fish. 325 00:30:59.840 --> 00:31:01.880 And it worked. It worked. 326 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.000 The shot was exactly what I had planned. 327 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.120 They learn. Faster than you can teach a dog. 328 00:31:15.600 --> 00:31:20.680 JEAN-MICHEL: (CHUCKLES) She had the courage to face up to a species 329 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:26.080 which we didn't know very much about in those days, connecting with nature, 330 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.040 and she was able to share her experience, 331 00:31:30.120 --> 00:31:32.600 and adventures with the public. 332 00:31:35.280 --> 00:31:38.200 She helped everybody, including us, 333 00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:41.400 because she would show us what she was doing, 334 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.120 when historically we were staying away from them. 335 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:46.880 Well, she didn't. 336 00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:49.480 She was the one getting close to it, 337 00:31:50.560 --> 00:31:53.800 and she would follow it and she was fascinated 338 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:59.480 to learn not just about the way it looks, but the behavior of that fish. 339 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.680 VALERIE: And then we got our very big chance. 340 00:32:20.360 --> 00:32:22.600 Blue Water, White Death was a film, 341 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.320 was dreamt up by Peter Gimbel, an American. 342 00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:29.840 And he had a fascination with sharks. 343 00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:33.640 And he wanted to make a feature film. 344 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:41.200 Peter had seen two of Ron's documentaries 345 00:32:42.360 --> 00:32:44.920 and he knew we could work with sharks. 346 00:32:46.520 --> 00:32:50.720 We're looking for the animal that I think is considered to be 347 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.520 the most dangerous predator still living in the world. 348 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:02.000 VALERIE: Peter Gimbel had us along to guarantee someone there 349 00:33:02.080 --> 00:33:04.280 who knew how to handle these beasts. 350 00:33:06.080 --> 00:33:10.440 And he gave us, Ron and I, the adventure of our lives. 351 00:33:20.120 --> 00:33:24.000 We set off in search out of South Africa... 352 00:33:25.080 --> 00:33:26.720 and we followed the whaling fleet 353 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.240 because they told us that huge great white sharks came in 354 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.160 to feed on the harpooned whales. 355 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.080 STAN: How far ahead of us are the other ships now? 356 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:40.240 Oh, now about... 357 00:33:40.360 --> 00:33:46.000 As an underwater shooter, I just saw in it a wonderful adventure. 358 00:33:46.800 --> 00:33:49.560 A search taking us to the Indian Ocean, 359 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.640 searching for the great white shark. 360 00:33:54.600 --> 00:33:59.920 I think that Peter, and Ron, and myself, and Valerie gradually found our courses 361 00:34:00.280 --> 00:34:02.120 narrowing down onto sharks. 362 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.560 This charisma that they have. 363 00:34:09.040 --> 00:34:12.560 JAYNE: Blue Water, White Death was probably the first 364 00:34:12.640 --> 00:34:14.240 of its type ever made. 365 00:34:15.720 --> 00:34:16.880 And to have a female in there, 366 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.800 and a pretty blonde female in it with all those males. 367 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:21.880 Well, you're gonna use the far cylinder first. 368 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:23.200 We turn this one off and this one on, 369 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:24.240 -so I... -Yeah. 370 00:34:24.520 --> 00:34:26.280 JAYNE: She had to earn her way on that boat. 371 00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.360 I've got both. 372 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.400 -Which camera's going, Ron? -This one here. 373 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.240 MALE VOICE: There's a shark right under the bow! 374 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:38.320 RON: Hold it, there, there's the other one. 375 00:34:38.720 --> 00:34:41.520 There's another one! There's another one. There are four down here now. 376 00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:43.920 Four sharks. Now I've lost the other. 377 00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:45.840 -MALE VOICE: There you go. -It's like trying to count chickens. 378 00:34:48.120 --> 00:34:51.320 GIMBEL: With this amount of food in the water, we expect the great white... 379 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:54.360 but he doesn't come. 380 00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.000 VALERIE: But other sharks came up from the great depths. 381 00:35:00.240 --> 00:35:02.760 We never saw the bottom, there was no land. 382 00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:10.000 We'd never encountered oceanic whitetips before. 383 00:35:12.600 --> 00:35:16.720 The species of shark responsible for more human deaths 384 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.840 than all the other sharks in the world put together. 385 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:30.680 STAN: The idea of getting into the water, outside of the cage 386 00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:36.480 in the middle of all of those sharks and everything was pretty mind-blowing, 387 00:35:37.160 --> 00:35:39.480 but we thought we might get away with it. 388 00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:46.400 VALERIE: When it was decided that we would leave the cage, I thought, 389 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.240 "Yeah, we'll die. Now we die." 390 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:58.720 Never for a second did I think of not going. 391 00:36:30.160 --> 00:36:33.200 Carcharhinus longimanus, he's the one 392 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:38.640 that will take 200 people in the water after a ship sinks. They come in packs. 393 00:36:42.720 --> 00:36:46.320 We had noticed that before they bit the whale, 394 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:47.720 even though it was dead, 395 00:36:48.240 --> 00:36:51.720 the shark would bump it two or three times, then bite it. 396 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.920 And we figured that the shark would bump us before it bit, 397 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.040 and if we bumped them back hard 398 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:00.880 we could make ourselves a place in the pack. 399 00:37:34.600 --> 00:37:37.920 The cameramen, they all had these giant housings 400 00:37:38.680 --> 00:37:39.840 made out of metal. 401 00:37:42.520 --> 00:37:43.560 I had a stick. 402 00:38:16.640 --> 00:38:19.000 We went into another world. 403 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.520 A world that existed 20 million years ago. 404 00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:43.400 We were accepted as other marine animals come to feed on the whale... 405 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.720 but only after we had made a place for ourselves with the pack. 406 00:39:00.200 --> 00:39:02.480 It seemed, to some... 407 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:07.040 just plain foolhardy, what they were doing. 408 00:39:13.720 --> 00:39:17.600 But what they did in the end was to provide the evidence 409 00:39:18.040 --> 00:39:21.080 that if we mind our business, they mind theirs. 410 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.320 It's mutual respect. 411 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.080 You wouldn't believe! You couldn't believe! 412 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:36.240 It was fantastic! 413 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:39.400 Everything happened! 414 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.440 They hit the whale and blood went everywhere, 415 00:39:42.520 --> 00:39:47.440 and Stan and Peter were miles away, they were just surrounded by sharks, 416 00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:49.480 and look, there must've been a dozen sharks, 417 00:39:49.720 --> 00:39:51.480 charging in on them all at once, and then 418 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.480 as Peter said, he just kept his finger on the button and spun in circles, 419 00:39:55.560 --> 00:39:56.600 that's all he could do. 420 00:40:00.640 --> 00:40:03.760 Well, certainly they were exhilarated when they came up from those dives 421 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.040 because they didn't know that they could survive it. 422 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.200 In those days, people didn't dive with sharks. 423 00:40:15.080 --> 00:40:16.720 But, when you look at those images... 424 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.320 a hundred huge oceanic whitetip sharks, 425 00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:23.280 that can't happen today. 426 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:26.320 There aren't enough sharks. 427 00:40:28.120 --> 00:40:31.920 And those images, I think, represent a historical record 428 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:37.600 of what there was at one time, and that's incredibly valuable. 429 00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.920 VALERIE: We were still looking for the great white shark. 430 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.280 PETER: I'm sorry and I won't... I'm not going to accept these predictions. 431 00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.320 I still think we can attract a great white shark to this rig. 432 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.600 VALERIE: Ron and I tried to tell him where to go? 433 00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.880 We knew we were in the wrong place. 434 00:41:04.640 --> 00:41:07.840 Hello, darling. Hello, sweetie. Come on. 435 00:41:08.240 --> 00:41:10.320 Eventually, Peter did listen. 436 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:13.480 We all went to South Australia. 437 00:41:15.640 --> 00:41:18.600 MALE VOICE 1: Here he comes in now! There it is! The great white! 438 00:41:20.680 --> 00:41:23.200 -MALE VOICE 2: Oh, he's gotta be 12. -PETER: Oh, yeah. 439 00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:27.840 PETER: That is a great white! 440 00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.160 STAN: The public loves, of course, danger. 441 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.840 Yeah, I said you'd get it. I knew you'd get it. 442 00:41:39.520 --> 00:41:42.160 STAN: Add to that a beautiful woman. 443 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.680 You have a successful documentary in the makeup of it. 444 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.880 MALE VOICE 1: Tear it up! Hey! Hey! 445 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.000 VALERIE: I really didn't realize what a big film it was going to be. 446 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:00.880 MALE VOICE 2: Here he comes now, right up! 447 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:02.720 I bet Gimbel's elated with joy in there! 448 00:42:03.040 --> 00:42:04.600 MALE VOICE: Right up towards the cage! 449 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.040 CARL: There was a genius in the making of the movie. 450 00:42:08.560 --> 00:42:14.240 Valerie set the standard by being the first glamourous female 451 00:42:14.520 --> 00:42:18.360 to go out and have these dangerous adventures, 452 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:20.800 and I was hooked. 453 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.720 Get back in, Ron! Silly fool. 454 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:25.320 I don't know what he's doing out of the cage. 455 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:27.080 -There, look at him! -MALE VOICE: Where is he? Where is he? 456 00:42:27.160 --> 00:42:28.200 VALERIE: Sitting on top of the cage. 457 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.520 JAYNE: I'm from a little village in Wales, and our local policeman, 458 00:42:31.600 --> 00:42:34.440 he had posters of her up on his wall as a child. (CHUCKLES) 459 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.160 It's worldwide! She was really, really out there. 460 00:42:38.240 --> 00:42:40.480 MALE VOICE: Get in, Valerie. Get your hands inside that cage. 461 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:49.520 Valerie in Blue Water, White Death, she was a revelation to me. 462 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.120 She was strong. 463 00:43:09.560 --> 00:43:13.320 VALERIE: There were no divers anywhere who hadn't seen Blue Water, White Death. 464 00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:19.240 And among them was a diver called Peter Benchley. 465 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:28.040 WENDY: Valerie and Ron were definitely Peter's idols. 466 00:43:29.160 --> 00:43:32.840 He was aware of the excitement of sharks. 467 00:43:35.160 --> 00:43:39.000 Peter had an idea for a novel about a fish, 468 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:42.080 and I said, "Peter, I just don't think that's gonna work." 469 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.000 RON: Universal Pictures got us a book from Peter Benchley called Jaws. 470 00:44:17.680 --> 00:44:20.560 VALERIE: They sent us the galley proofs and a letter saying, 471 00:44:20.640 --> 00:44:24.800 "Do you think this story would make a good feature film?" 472 00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.480 We both read it and Ron wrote back and said, "Yes." 473 00:44:40.040 --> 00:44:42.600 Please help me! Help! 474 00:44:42.720 --> 00:44:46.360 Now this is not a boat accident, and it wasn't Jack the Ripper. 475 00:44:48.520 --> 00:44:50.760 (SIGHS) It was a shark. 476 00:44:55.560 --> 00:44:58.480 VALERIE: Jaws was our first big Hollywood deal. 477 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.480 Ron said, "I've got to do a good job here, it could be important." 478 00:45:05.240 --> 00:45:08.440 They had already decided that Steven Spielberg 479 00:45:08.520 --> 00:45:10.320 was going to be the director. 480 00:45:11.240 --> 00:45:15.120 He said, "Get the live white shark footage first." 481 00:45:18.160 --> 00:45:20.520 VALERIE: We had done this sort of thing so often, 482 00:45:20.640 --> 00:45:23.960 going out and trying to get a performance out of a shark. 483 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:44.480 I was pretty proud to get a call asking me if I could organize a major expedition. 484 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.760 And at that time quite young and I was pretty excited. 485 00:46:00.680 --> 00:46:06.640 Peter postulated in Jaws that the shark was a big one, a 16-footer. 486 00:46:07.720 --> 00:46:11.760 And, of course, Spielberg decided to make it into a 25-foot shark. 487 00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:24.720 And this caused a lot of toing and froing between Universal and Ron, 488 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.320 backwards and forwards. 489 00:46:28.160 --> 00:46:30.960 Steven Spielberg was very young. 490 00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:36.880 It was his second major film. He looked, to me, like a teenager. 491 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.080 RON: I said, "Steven, there is a problem here. 492 00:46:43.680 --> 00:46:47.400 "Our white sharks are only about 13-feet long." 493 00:46:47.680 --> 00:46:52.880 He said, "No problem. We'll send down a half-size man and half-size cages." 494 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.080 VALERIE: Everything we filmed was half-size 495 00:46:59.720 --> 00:47:02.680 to make our sharks look bigger. 496 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.360 RODNEY: Skippy was my abalone dive boat. 497 00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:14.160 We used my little boat as the stand-in for the boat in the Jaws movie. 498 00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:17.560 You're gonna need a bigger boat. 499 00:47:26.040 --> 00:47:30.320 VALERIE: They sent out this little man called Carl Rizzo. 500 00:47:30.600 --> 00:47:33.200 He was a half-sized man, perfectly formed. 501 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:38.200 RODNEY: Who used to actually be a stand-in for children 502 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.360 on horseback riding and stuff. 503 00:47:42.680 --> 00:47:45.560 The little guy comes up to me, and he says to me, 504 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.200 "When they pump oxygen into you, 505 00:47:48.520 --> 00:47:50.880 "do you have to suck it in or is it pushed in?" 506 00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.760 Which, I knew straight away, he had no idea how to dive. 507 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.520 VALERIE: He was allergic to the sun, he was allergic to salt water, 508 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:08.080 and he was very allergic to sharks. 509 00:48:09.640 --> 00:48:12.000 And I remember when he saw his first great white, 510 00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:14.200 he was very nervous. 511 00:48:21.720 --> 00:48:24.000 He looked at this big thing swimming out behind the boat, 512 00:48:24.080 --> 00:48:27.720 and he said, "I should've asked for more money." 513 00:48:29.680 --> 00:48:31.160 SHAW: If I can get him close enough to this cage, 514 00:48:31.240 --> 00:48:34.000 -I think I can get him in the mouth... -That shark will rip that cage to pieces! 515 00:48:34.080 --> 00:48:35.680 You got any better suggestions? 516 00:48:37.560 --> 00:48:40.640 RODNEY: I'm in the small half-size boat looking after him, 517 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:42.360 and I wound him down in the winch. 518 00:48:50.720 --> 00:48:56.200 When Carl saw those great white sharks swimming around, he was terrified. 519 00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:09.680 The director yelled out, "Quick, pull up Carl. 520 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:11.040 He's drowning, he's drowning!" 521 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.480 So, I wound him to the top, and I was saying, 522 00:49:13.560 --> 00:49:15.120 "What's the matter? What's the matter?" 523 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:19.400 And he said, "My mask. My mask, it was filling up with water." 524 00:49:23.080 --> 00:49:25.240 VALERIE: It was his reluctance that saved his life. 525 00:49:31.120 --> 00:49:35.080 RODNEY: I was about ten meters down, filming up. 526 00:49:36.080 --> 00:49:39.680 There's a shark there and I'm thinking, "Why isn't Carl getting in the cage?" 527 00:49:42.600 --> 00:49:45.440 VALERIE: Rodney was about to pick him up and pop him in. 528 00:49:47.120 --> 00:49:49.360 And the shark came in, and it bumped into the cage, 529 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.160 and got its head stuck in the bridle. 530 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:52.640 MARTIN: Pull him up. Pull it! 531 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.560 VALERIE: And I picked up the 16-millimeter camera, 532 00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:05.800 and I shot it on film. 533 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.960 When we were shooting the Australian sequences 534 00:50:24.080 --> 00:50:25.720 of the great white sharks. 535 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.520 One of the great white sharks jumped into the cage boat. 536 00:50:30.640 --> 00:50:33.200 There was a horrible cracking sound, the bit of the decking 537 00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.560 where the winch was attached to the boat broke off. 538 00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:36.760 MALE VOICE: It's getting away! 539 00:50:41.560 --> 00:50:44.600 VALERIE: I saw Rodney pull Carl back. 540 00:50:45.720 --> 00:50:49.240 The shark grabbed between its jaws, which can close and squeeze 541 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.200 at 21 tons per square inch, grabbed and twisted the cage, 542 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:53.760 and then sounded with the cage. 543 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:58.840 RODNEY: And everything broke off and came tumbling down past me. 544 00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:04.920 VALERIE: The shark got out of it and swam away. 545 00:51:06.200 --> 00:51:08.240 We had what we call a good performer. 546 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:12.960 It wasn't in the script... 547 00:51:15.160 --> 00:51:18.240 but they put it in because it was good. 548 00:51:26.720 --> 00:51:28.480 Well, how'd you get sharks to do that? 549 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.000 How did they get a shark to do all those things on cue? 550 00:51:32.200 --> 00:51:33.840 VALERIE: Well, we better not tell her the secret. 551 00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:35.720 Well you have to... You put them in training 552 00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:37.880 -at least three weeks before the film. -VALERIE: Yes, training. 553 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.760 MALE VOICE: The 1975 release of Jaws is considered 554 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.360 the first Hollywood blockbuster. 555 00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:51.120 FEMALE VOICE: Have you seen Jaws? 556 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.840 Who hasn't seen Jaws by now? 557 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.200 Tale of a murderous white shark on the loose. 558 00:51:55.720 --> 00:51:58.440 RODNEY: We just absolutely had no idea 559 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.640 that people would be queuing up for miles to see it. 560 00:52:02.080 --> 00:52:04.440 FEMALE VOICE: The line is about 12 people 561 00:52:04.520 --> 00:52:06.520 -abreast around the block. -MALE VOICE: Yeah. 562 00:52:06.600 --> 00:52:08.400 -Wonderful. Just wonderful. -FEMALE VOICE: Yeah. 563 00:52:08.520 --> 00:52:10.040 Ron and Valerie Taylor! Yeah! 564 00:52:11.600 --> 00:52:13.120 VALERIE: It was very well done. 565 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:18.320 And we never expected this to happen, the reaction. 566 00:52:19.120 --> 00:52:23.520 RODNEY: We thought it would just be a third-rate Hollywood B-grade movie 567 00:52:23.600 --> 00:52:25.400 that hardly anybody would ever see. 568 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:29.440 MALE REPORTER 5: It has already made more money than any motion picture in history. 569 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.360 And, of course, I jumped out of my seat just like everyone else, 570 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:36.600 'cause the whole theater explodes with terror. 571 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.960 MALE REPORTER 5: And some people are now seeing phantom sharks 572 00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:40.040 every time they go near the water. 573 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.880 People always come up to us and ask us on the tower, 574 00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:45.200 -"Is that Jaws?" Or whatever. -I'm too young to die. 575 00:52:48.200 --> 00:52:50.760 CARL: I can't tell you how many people said, 576 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:54.920 "You go diving in the ocean? It's full of sharks!" 577 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:10.480 When I saw Jaws, I was very devastated because I said, 578 00:53:10.560 --> 00:53:12.600 "Nobody's gonna want to go in the ocean." 579 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:19.920 VALERIE: Jaws is a fictitious story. 580 00:53:20.160 --> 00:53:23.760 And it not only astounded Ron and I, but it astounded Universal, 581 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:25.480 and Richard Zanuck, and David Brown. 582 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.200 But the public believed it. 583 00:53:31.240 --> 00:53:32.080 Shark! 584 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:33.920 VALERIE: We were amazed. 585 00:53:34.120 --> 00:53:36.920 You don't walk around New York worrying about King Kong. 586 00:53:38.600 --> 00:53:43.680 It must be an instinctive subconscious fear of being eaten alive. 587 00:53:51.240 --> 00:53:52.480 Smile, you son of a... 588 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.720 Ha! (LAUGHS) 589 00:54:10.560 --> 00:54:12.800 VALERIE: But Jaws did... It did set things back. 590 00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:24.320 The thing that I regret is that people went out and killed sharks everywhere. 591 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:32.120 We became very upset by this. 592 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.720 MALE VOICE: Wow! What a ripper! Million-dollar film! 593 00:54:40.040 --> 00:54:41.600 Ho! Ho! Ho! 594 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.480 PETER: Valerie and Ron Taylor, the great Australian cinematographers 595 00:54:45.560 --> 00:54:47.200 and divers, called me and said, 596 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.640 "People are going out on these slaughter trips 597 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.520 "to prove some sort of macho nonsense about themselves. 598 00:54:53.240 --> 00:54:55.880 "And sharks are being killed left and right, and we are worried 599 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:59.360 "that there may be actually an endangerment of some of the species." 600 00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:05.480 VALERIE: Peter Benchley said he'd have never written the book 601 00:55:05.720 --> 00:55:08.760 if he had known what the aftermath would have been. 602 00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:13.920 HOST: People who saw the movie Jaws are afraid of sharks. 603 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.560 Have we reason to be afraid of them? 604 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:17.160 You should treat them with caution, 605 00:55:17.240 --> 00:55:19.720 but you don't go around being afraid of motor cars. 606 00:55:20.120 --> 00:55:25.560 Universal took Ron and I to America, and we toured the States, 607 00:55:25.640 --> 00:55:28.640 doing every talk show, telling people 608 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:32.520 that sharks were not like the shark in Jaws. 609 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.560 RON: But there's an interesting point that not all sharks are dangerous. 610 00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:40.360 You say that sharks are not dangerous, and yet both of you took part 611 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.760 in two movies that portray sharks as being very dangerous. 612 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:45.560 How do you justify something like that? 613 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.120 We have been criticized for promoting sharks 614 00:55:49.240 --> 00:55:50.840 as being man-eaters and dangerous. 615 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.120 But Jaws is actually a fictional film, but it's such a realistic film 616 00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.920 that people tend to believe sharks are dangerous. 617 00:55:58.080 --> 00:56:00.360 I don't think that people should stay off the beaches 618 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.720 because they're afraid of being attacked by a shark. 619 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:06.280 They're much more likely to fall over and break a leg on the way to the beach 620 00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.520 than they are of being attacked once they're in the water. 621 00:56:08.640 --> 00:56:12.400 Ron, Valerie Taylor, thank you very much. We'll be right back after this message. 622 00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:16.320 Take the whole jaw out, teeth fall out, you put 'em on a gold chain 623 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.760 and then go to the movie and see Jaws, everybody thinks you're the best. 624 00:56:20.640 --> 00:56:22.480 VALERIE: I feel if there's a shark in the area 625 00:56:22.560 --> 00:56:24.760 and the swimmer stays relatively calm, 626 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:26.960 there's a very good chance the shark will look at him, say, 627 00:56:27.080 --> 00:56:28.720 "Well, I don't want that," and go away. 628 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:30.200 When they start panicking, 629 00:56:30.520 --> 00:56:32.000 there's a very good chance they'll get bitten. 630 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.800 HOST: Once a shark bites, what does it do to the rest of you? 631 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.880 Most sharks just let go. They test with their teeth. 632 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.040 FEMALE VOICE: We have the fresh teeth that have been pulled out 633 00:56:40.120 --> 00:56:41.000 of a shark recently. 634 00:56:41.080 --> 00:56:42.880 MALE VOICE 1: We ran out of shark's teeth, out of shark's jaws. 635 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.160 MALE VOICE 2: It's just a killing machine. 636 00:56:44.240 --> 00:56:47.120 It's more dangerous to have a backyard pool. Did you know that? 637 00:56:47.200 --> 00:56:48.680 MALE VOICE: Just wish we had more of it to sell. 638 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:50.760 FEMALE VOICE: I find them very frightening, as a matter of fact. 639 00:56:53.200 --> 00:56:57.520 They didn't listen to me. Frankly, they didn't care. 640 00:57:00.560 --> 00:57:02.200 The killing still went on. 641 00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:19.040 Yes, what, what? Oh, well, that's it, isn't it? 642 00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.000 What about you? What are you up to? 643 00:57:25.680 --> 00:57:28.640 Jaws gave all sharks a bad name. 644 00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:33.720 You know, there are over 400 species of shark in the ocean. 645 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:37.760 -Come on. -Maybe five or six 646 00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:39.440 are potentially dangerous. 647 00:57:46.560 --> 00:57:50.040 Most sharks are totally harmless, like the grey nurse shark. 648 00:57:53.160 --> 00:57:56.200 DOUGLAS: Here you have a grey nurse shark that looks like this fierce animal. 649 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.360 Because their teeth are hanging out of their face, 650 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:01.680 people think, "We've gotta kill that shark." 651 00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.840 I mean, they were completely exterminated off the coast of Florida. 652 00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.680 And that same thing could've happened in Australia. 653 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.240 They were being slaughtered. 654 00:58:18.680 --> 00:58:20.560 So I started writing letters. 655 00:58:21.080 --> 00:58:22.880 And I pleaded with the politicians. 656 00:58:23.680 --> 00:58:27.960 And I wanted the grey nurse to be totally protected. 657 00:58:30.600 --> 00:58:33.960 As a spearo, I had killed one grey nurse... 658 00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:39.800 and now I wanted to save them. 659 00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:42.760 I needed to save them. 660 00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:56.400 Once I get my teeth stuck into an idea, I don't let go. 661 00:58:58.240 --> 00:59:01.920 There's nothing like having a good piece of underwater film 662 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:06.560 and saying, "See, it's harmless. It's like a dog." 663 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.440 I kept at them, and at them, and at them. 664 00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:23.240 It worked. It's now legally protected. 665 00:59:25.520 --> 00:59:30.000 You know, it was the first shark in the world to be protected. 666 00:59:37.160 --> 00:59:39.640 JEREMIAH: Valerie led the way. 667 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:44.080 A huge piece of what conservation has become today 668 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:48.120 all began, you know, with those little grey nurse sharks. 669 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:56.880 CARL: Valerie tried to explain and soften the ignorance 670 00:59:57.200 --> 00:59:59.720 to create an audience of... 671 01:00:01.200 --> 01:00:02.120 shark lovers. 672 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.760 There was that occasion where they actually had a shark 673 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:14.560 that was tangled in a wire and they cut it loose. 674 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:22.640 VALERIE: When you see a great white struggling for life, you want to save it. 675 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:33.760 CARL: Towing a shark tail first is something you or I might hesitate. 676 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.240 They did not hesitate. 677 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:42.240 Yes, there was risk, they put that aside. They instinctively helped the animal. 678 01:01:00.680 --> 01:01:02.320 VALERIE: Pretty dangerous thing to do. 679 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.040 But that shark knew exactly what we were doing. 680 01:01:16.680 --> 01:01:22.040 CARL: Wow, not a sign of aggression. Remarkable moment. 681 01:01:35.600 --> 01:01:37.080 VALERIE: It swam out to sea... 682 01:01:38.640 --> 01:01:41.960 and was caught by a fisherman five months later. 683 01:01:48.560 --> 01:01:51.880 Conservation? There is no such thing on killer sharks, 684 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.400 because the general public realizes they're killer sharks 685 01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:55.600 and that's all there is to it. 686 01:01:57.520 --> 01:01:59.520 VALERIE: Great white sharks are in big trouble. 687 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:03.520 They're a very big animal, they live a long time, 688 01:02:03.640 --> 01:02:05.040 and they breed very slowly. 689 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.040 I have a file that must be half an inch thick of letters I've written 690 01:02:09.160 --> 01:02:11.560 to have the great white shark protected before it's too late. 691 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.520 You know what they're doing? They're actually feeding that garbage 692 01:02:16.600 --> 01:02:17.600 to the government. 693 01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.920 Telling them that they're an endangered species and all that. 694 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:21.280 They ought to be in jail. 695 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:24.760 VALERIE: The only sharks he knows, the only sharks he works with, 696 01:02:25.520 --> 01:02:29.000 and he does it from the safety of the back of his boat I might add, 697 01:02:29.120 --> 01:02:31.240 are sharks that are fighting to survive. 698 01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:33.960 Those sharks he catches are trying to escape. 699 01:02:34.120 --> 01:02:37.400 They want to live, just as you or I would try to escape, 700 01:02:37.560 --> 01:02:39.800 and want to live if someone hooked us in the mouth. 701 01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:44.360 MALE VOICE 1: This is the stuff nightmares are made of. 702 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:45.640 MALE VOICE 2: Shark. The very word 703 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:47.400 is enough to scare most people out of their wits. 704 01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:50.440 MALE VOICE 3: Great white sharks have no peer when it comes to terror. 705 01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:56.280 VALERIE: Anti-conservationists call sharks "God's mistakes." 706 01:02:59.120 --> 01:03:01.120 It's just a heap of rubbish. 707 01:03:04.080 --> 01:03:07.760 They have been around unchanged for millions of years. 708 01:03:09.200 --> 01:03:10.600 That's not a mistake. 709 01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:13.600 RON: Twenty-four hours a day, they're on the prowl. 710 01:03:13.680 --> 01:03:15.760 VALERIE: I don't really think that a shark swims around saying, 711 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.240 "A-ha! There's a human, I must swim up and eat him." 712 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:19.520 They don't think like that. 713 01:03:20.040 --> 01:03:21.520 RON: There's gonna be a major problem. 714 01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:30.080 VALERIE: Ron and I decided to prove to the general public 715 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:33.080 that sharks were not out to get us. 716 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:38.680 I first got the idea for a suit of mail in 1967 when I saw a commercial diver 717 01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.760 protecting his hands with butcher's gloves. 718 01:03:45.040 --> 01:03:47.360 VALERIE: Ron made a decision 719 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.520 that we would try ourselves out as shark bait. 720 01:03:54.040 --> 01:03:56.000 Marine biologist Jeremiah Sullivan 721 01:03:56.080 --> 01:03:58.640 has traveled from America to join the operation. 722 01:04:00.600 --> 01:04:02.560 JEREMIAH: At the time, I was just a young student. 723 01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:07.200 I was studying the sensory systems of sharks as a marine biologist. 724 01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:11.160 The shark suit provided us an opportunity to do things 725 01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.120 that have never been done before, to really learn something. 726 01:04:22.680 --> 01:04:25.800 VALERIE: Everything you do in life is a calculated risk. 727 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.040 Even a cup of tea could burn you. 728 01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:35.360 If only he would bite me instead of the fish, 729 01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:39.040 it would be a good test of the suit's protective qualities. 730 01:04:41.200 --> 01:04:45.560 SYLVIA: When I heard about Ron and Valerie's desire to test the theory 731 01:04:45.640 --> 01:04:48.840 that it's really dangerous to go in the water, period, 732 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:52.240 because there's sharks, period, that they will eat you, period. 733 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:56.400 And Ron and Valerie wanting to show that, you know, it's not that way. 734 01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.040 You can bait yourself. "Well, come and get me." 735 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:04.000 And the sharks had to be encouraged somehow. 736 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:12.720 JEREMIAH: We still didn't really know what would happen 737 01:05:13.120 --> 01:05:14.560 with shark bite pressure. 738 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:20.840 I knew what probably would happen, but now, this was the real deal. 739 01:05:24.120 --> 01:05:27.080 VALERIE: Scientific opinion had the crush power 740 01:05:27.160 --> 01:05:30.560 of a shark's jaw as very serious indeed. 741 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.000 Eugenie Clark, the great shark expert, 742 01:05:35.160 --> 01:05:38.440 said I would have the imprints of the mesh on my bones. 743 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.360 The sharks don't have crush power. 744 01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:41.560 This is a misconception. 745 01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.400 We knew how they would bite. 746 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.800 They rely on the cutting edge of their teeth. 747 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.440 They try to saw through the metal and nothing happens. 748 01:06:58.600 --> 01:07:03.200 They can't get anything in. And we proved it with the mesh suit. 749 01:07:08.120 --> 01:07:12.000 RON: The editors of National Geographic wanted to use the story, 750 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:15.800 and they sent our story to some American shark experts, 751 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.440 and they rejected it as a hoax. 752 01:07:21.520 --> 01:07:24.720 But then we showed the editors our film. 753 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:28.720 And the editors realized that the experts were wrong. 754 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.480 The editors gave their referees a kick in the backside. 755 01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:53.280 JEREMIAH: It's been 40 years that they've been manufacturing 756 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:55.200 these things on a commercial level. 757 01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.240 Now, there's a global shark diving industry, about a billion dollars a year, 758 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:03.320 that, to a certain degree, has been built out of the information 759 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:07.480 that was gathered by use of the suits that Ron and Val and I 760 01:08:07.560 --> 01:08:08.960 started playing with so long ago. 761 01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:18.200 VALERIE: It used to be brilliant for blue sharks. 762 01:08:19.200 --> 01:08:21.200 Back then, we saw them every day. 763 01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:26.800 They're a nice shark. All the ones that bit me are all dead now. 764 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:28.840 They were finned. 765 01:08:30.280 --> 01:08:31.960 They're gone, they didn't deserve that. 766 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:37.120 RON: There's a big market for sharks. 767 01:08:37.200 --> 01:08:40.800 The shark fin is being taken in enormous numbers. 768 01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:46.120 And you just can't continually take something unless you replace it. 769 01:08:53.080 --> 01:08:56.040 In the last twenty years, with the increase 770 01:08:56.120 --> 01:08:57.960 of the middle-class in China, 771 01:08:58.400 --> 01:09:01.760 and the increase in shark fin soup consumption... 772 01:09:03.280 --> 01:09:08.160 there were 100 million sharks killed every year for twenty years. 773 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:19.440 VALERIE: Sharks are part of a web of life. We've just interfered. 774 01:09:24.040 --> 01:09:28.960 It's a terrible thing to kill a beautiful wild animal for its fin. 775 01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:34.640 Just like killing an elephant for its tusk, and the tiger for its skin. 776 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:42.120 You can't expect a fisherman on a little island 777 01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:44.720 to not catch sharks for their fins, 778 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.600 and sell them to the Chinese traders. 779 01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:48.920 It means good money. 780 01:09:52.160 --> 01:09:55.920 I used to climb on to the shark finning boats... 781 01:09:57.240 --> 01:09:58.680 and take photographs. 782 01:10:02.400 --> 01:10:06.280 And one day, there'll be very few sharks left. 783 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.560 And these photographs will be proof of where they went. 784 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:21.320 Shark pics. How many, many, many. Sharks, sharks, sharks. 785 01:10:24.160 --> 01:10:26.560 SYLVIA: We only have ten percent of the sharks left. 786 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.000 And it really is all about knowing, that leads to caring. 787 01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:35.080 Come on. These are magnificent creatures, 788 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:37.200 every one an individual. 789 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:38.760 VALERIE: Look at them. 790 01:10:39.120 --> 01:10:41.920 SYLVIA: Every one deserving of our respect. 791 01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:46.480 VALERIE: Here's one of my old shots that I really like. 792 01:10:47.120 --> 01:10:49.120 SYLVIA: We just need to think differently. 793 01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:55.200 VALERIE: See how he smiles. Big smile on his face. 794 01:11:01.040 --> 01:11:06.360 The only way to halt the complete decimation 795 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:10.400 is to make enormous marine national parks 796 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:12.360 where you cannot take a thing. 797 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:18.000 For a long time, we could guarantee great white sharks 798 01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:20.400 off Port Lincoln, South Australia. 799 01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:23.240 Hello, sharkies! 800 01:11:23.320 --> 01:11:24.360 RON: Right on top. 801 01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:27.680 That's a different one! That's Maria, I'll bet you. 802 01:11:28.040 --> 01:11:29.240 RON: Fins right out in the water. 803 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.160 Let me look. I bet it's Maria. 804 01:11:31.320 --> 01:11:33.160 JAYNE: She'd love the whole world to be protected 805 01:11:33.240 --> 01:11:34.360 if she had half a chance. 806 01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:36.520 Sweetness. Come on. 807 01:11:37.080 --> 01:11:38.120 RON: Shark. 808 01:11:38.240 --> 01:11:40.760 JAYNE: But particularly in South Australia, you know, 809 01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:42.240 it has been a huge part of her life. 810 01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.440 -RON: Welcome back. -VALERIE: Hurry, hurry! She's coming back. 811 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:47.760 RON: Hurry. She's coming back. 812 01:11:51.480 --> 01:11:55.320 And great whites, I think Valerie would chain herself to a cage 813 01:11:55.440 --> 01:11:58.360 if she thought somebody was going to kill one unnecessarily. 814 01:11:58.480 --> 01:12:01.080 Just to show that, "Hey, it's not gonna hurt me." 815 01:12:05.080 --> 01:12:08.680 VALERIE: I wanted to show all sharks have different personalities, 816 01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:12.760 and I've never seen anybody hand-feeding a great white shark 817 01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:14.080 off the back of a boat. 818 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:23.880 There were three sharks around. And one was very sweet. 819 01:12:26.440 --> 01:12:31.120 I wanted to give that nice shark, it was a boy shark, my fish. 820 01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:54.480 Mark, my nephew, was so worried about it. He hung on to my shirt, and I thought, 821 01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:56.320 "That's not going to do any good. 822 01:12:56.480 --> 01:13:00.200 "If this thing grabs me, all you'll have left is a handful of shirt." 823 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:43.240 Don't tell me they don't have personalities. They do. 824 01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:50.640 JAYNE: We need people like Valerie out there to do that. 825 01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.360 And she went through government to get that area protected. 826 01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:58.120 Thankfully, it happened. 827 01:13:58.240 --> 01:14:00.920 It was named Ron and Valerie Taylor Marine Park. 828 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:11.040 I think it's ironic that the same place where they filmed Jaws 829 01:14:11.120 --> 01:14:14.640 is now a place where great white sharks are protected. 830 01:14:22.400 --> 01:14:25.160 VALERIE: When we made our first shark film, Ron said, 831 01:14:25.240 --> 01:14:28.120 "Well, we've done the shark film, now we'll go to something else." 832 01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:30.920 We were still doing them. 833 01:14:32.040 --> 01:14:35.640 And we couldn't make a living doing the same thing with a butterfly. 834 01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:41.920 Gee, it'd have to be some butterfly. 835 01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:52.960 Our marriage was a type of adventure. 836 01:14:55.240 --> 01:14:57.880 Ron, he liked me to be in front of his camera. 837 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.600 He liked me to be diving with him. 838 01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:09.800 And it's not just loving someone. You can love a lot of things. 839 01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:11.360 There's all sorts of love. 840 01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:21.840 VALERIE: He didn't feel very well. 841 01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:24.960 And he went to our doctor. 842 01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:31.880 And the doctor said he has acute myeloid leukemia. 843 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:35.400 He said it's always fatal. 844 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:39.600 Getting ready for a night dive. 845 01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:41.840 I like night diving. 846 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:46.440 It's very interesting because you see critters at night 847 01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:48.200 that you don't see during the day. 848 01:15:48.320 --> 01:15:50.200 MALE VOICE: All right, guys! Good luck, guys! Learn lots! 849 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:51.840 Bye! 850 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:00.680 JAYNE: You'd never see Valerie afraid of anything. 851 01:16:03.240 --> 01:16:05.120 She knew he was going to die. 852 01:16:07.040 --> 01:16:08.960 But she didn't face it. 853 01:16:18.280 --> 01:16:20.640 VALERIE: I didn't think Ron would ever die. 854 01:16:27.560 --> 01:16:31.000 I'd look at that beautiful man and think that, "He can't die." 855 01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:34.400 He was quite beautiful. 856 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:37.560 I thought. 857 01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:49.480 FEMALE ANNOUNCER: Ron Taylor and his wife Valerie gave away hunting to become famous 858 01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:52.000 for their dedication to marine conservation. 859 01:16:52.120 --> 01:16:54.280 Mr. Taylor died peacefully at a private hospital 860 01:16:54.360 --> 01:16:56.320 near his Sydney home this morning. 861 01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:03.280 VALERIE: I do miss him. I miss him so much. 862 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:05.720 He was everything. 863 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:12.480 Mostly, I miss just cuddling up in bed, really. 864 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:14.240 I go to bed and there's no Ron. 865 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:20.640 It's a sort of lonely thing. I take a pillow. 866 01:17:25.200 --> 01:17:27.600 I put it on my left side, my pillow. 867 01:17:51.080 --> 01:17:57.480 Ron and I did our last dive together in Fiji with the bull sharks. 868 01:17:59.880 --> 01:18:01.040 It was special. 869 01:18:03.400 --> 01:18:05.560 -Hello. -FEMALE VOICE: Hi. Bula. 870 01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:07.000 -Bula. -FEMALE VOICE: (CHUCKLES) Bula. 871 01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:11.080 MICHELE: I know, personally, that it's been difficult at times 872 01:18:11.160 --> 01:18:14.320 for her to dive places that she dived with Ron. 873 01:18:15.440 --> 01:18:18.960 I remember her saying that she thought she would never be back there again. 874 01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:26.840 DOUGLAS: There's a lot of memories involved. 875 01:18:27.400 --> 01:18:30.720 Ron and Valerie were instrumental at the beginning of getting 876 01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.600 this great conservation success story started. 877 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:38.280 They became very, very involved with the local community. 878 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:47.640 Due to overfishing, you had a completely dead reef, no fish on it, nothing. 879 01:18:48.400 --> 01:18:54.200 And over time, by feeding the sharks, now it's the only place I know of 880 01:18:54.320 --> 01:18:58.400 where you're likely to see as many as 80 or 100 bull sharks. 881 01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:03.480 -VALERIE: Ben! -Hi! 882 01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:05.560 -(SPEAKS FOREIGN LANGUAGE) -VALERIE: Ah! 883 01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:08.000 -How are you? -VALERIE: I'm good. 884 01:19:08.080 --> 01:19:09.720 Welcome home. Welcome home. 885 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:10.960 -Thank you so much. -Thank you. 886 01:19:13.080 --> 01:19:14.000 How was your trip? 887 01:19:14.360 --> 01:19:17.720 -Okay. So, you're going to look after me? -I will. 888 01:19:18.200 --> 01:19:19.840 You're going to find it hard. 889 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:22.200 -Why is that? -I'm so old. 890 01:19:22.320 --> 01:19:23.400 -No. -And I hurt. 891 01:19:23.480 --> 01:19:24.480 I'm still young. 892 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:27.640 -Yeah! Good. I like that. -(CHUCKLES) 893 01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:31.280 -And you're very strong, I can tell. -Thank you so much. 894 01:19:31.480 --> 01:19:35.440 I understand that you have a nice pale wetsuit, is that right? 895 01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:37.440 I have a pink wetsuit, but I've... 896 01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:39.360 -Wow. -...hurt my shoulder... 897 01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:41.720 -Mm-hmm. -...and I can't get it on. Anyway. 898 01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:44.640 -BEN: Sad. -I better get myself organized. 899 01:19:54.120 --> 01:19:57.280 VALERIE: Oh, my fingers. Poor old fingers. 900 01:19:57.640 --> 01:19:59.600 Concentrate. Concentrate. 901 01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:11.760 Ouch. Never mind. It's all right. 902 01:20:17.400 --> 01:20:20.920 Every dive has the potential to be a great adventure. 903 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:26.600 People think you're mad, but you're not. 904 01:20:28.120 --> 01:20:33.280 It's something that many people would love to do, but they're too afraid. 905 01:20:38.280 --> 01:20:41.360 I guess there's always the chance a shark could make a mistake, 906 01:20:41.440 --> 01:20:43.960 and that's what it would be. A mistake. 907 01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:48.480 BEN: Good morning, Valerie! 908 01:20:55.440 --> 01:20:57.520 -G'day! (LAUGHS) -Good morning! 909 01:20:59.160 --> 01:21:00.760 -Good morning! -MICHAEL: Good morning, Valerie. 910 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:02.240 -Oh, Michael! -MICHAEL: Yes. 911 01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:04.040 Oh, darling! 912 01:21:04.120 --> 01:21:05.440 -How are you? -I missed you! 913 01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.520 VALERIE: The village that owns the reef, protects sharks. 914 01:21:15.280 --> 01:21:18.520 And they guard it like it's a rare jewel, 915 01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:20.840 which it is. 916 01:21:21.440 --> 01:21:26.680 And it has made the village much richer and given work to the village people. 917 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:31.080 So we're probably gonna see bull sharks coming from here, 918 01:21:31.200 --> 01:21:33.480 and grab the tuna heads just above us. 919 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:40.360 This is our favorite part. 920 01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:44.120 -Gently go on there. -(GROANS) 921 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:47.480 I'm sorry. Sorry, darling. 922 01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:53.680 There we go. We've got you all sealed up here. 923 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:54.840 VALERIE: Yeah. 924 01:21:56.240 --> 01:21:58.840 I am ready, I can't believe it. Oh, no I'm not. 925 01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:03.400 -(MALE VOICE CHUCKLES) -All right. There you go. 926 01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:07.720 MALE VOICE: Thanks. 927 01:22:16.240 --> 01:22:17.760 VALERIE: Someone is going to have to get me up. 928 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:19.240 MALE VOICE: There's three big Fijians here! 929 01:22:19.320 --> 01:22:20.960 -VALERIE: I like that! -MALE VOICE: All right! 930 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:26.560 Good air. Plenty of air. 931 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:28.400 -I'll jump. -BOATHAND: Over here. 932 01:23:58.000 --> 01:24:01.280 VALERIE: Nature made the perfect animal. 933 01:24:03.400 --> 01:24:06.320 That wonder has never gone away. 934 01:24:09.400 --> 01:24:11.800 It's a survivor from long ago. 935 01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:16.200 VALERIE: Underwater is wonderful. 936 01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:24.800 It's a great feeling, and so many people don't really understand it 937 01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:28.520 because they feel it's full of dangers, which it isn't. 938 01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:38.680 I will probably be diving when I'm in a wheelchair. 939 01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:42.800 There's no gravity. I can fly. 940 01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:02.320 -Hello. -MALE VOICE: Hello. 941 01:26:04.280 --> 01:26:05.960 It's a fabulous area down there. 942 01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:07.960 It certainly is. 943 01:26:08.120 --> 01:26:10.240 Very rich. Terrific corals. 944 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:15.040 Well, a shark hit me. I hope they got it. 945 01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:22.400 Did you see the shark hit me? 946 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:23.960 Yes. A nice display. 947 01:26:24.040 --> 01:26:25.520 -It didn't mean it. -BEN: Yeah. 948 01:26:26.240 --> 01:26:27.320 It was only his tail. 949 01:26:27.400 --> 01:26:29.200 I think some of them probably recognized you. 950 01:26:29.280 --> 01:26:30.640 -I think so. -BEN: You were so close. 951 01:26:31.160 --> 01:26:33.080 -VALERIE: Yeah. They come in. -(CHUCKLES) 952 01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:36.920 I do know them. Like, I've known them for a long time I think. 953 01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:44.040 SYLVIA: No one can do everything. 954 01:26:44.440 --> 01:26:47.480 And Valerie has clearly done more than her share. 955 01:26:48.240 --> 01:26:49.960 But there is cause for hope. 956 01:26:51.360 --> 01:26:53.440 And all we have to do is look at Valerie and say, 957 01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:57.240 "Look. Look what she's done, why not you?" 958 01:26:58.840 --> 01:26:59.720 Anyhow... 959 01:27:01.160 --> 01:27:02.560 here's to the sharks!