1 00:00:01,085 --> 00:00:03,963 [intense dramatic music] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:12,722 --> 00:00:14,890 [Frank] I know exactly the day I opened 5 00:00:14,974 --> 00:00:16,726 my mouth to sing. It was a Sunday. 6 00:00:16,809 --> 00:00:18,477 All the relatives were over at the house. 7 00:00:18,561 --> 00:00:20,521 It's an old Italian song, and I didn't know 8 00:00:20,604 --> 00:00:22,314 what the hell the words were. I was like six, 9 00:00:22,398 --> 00:00:24,400 seven years old. It was... ♪ Eh, Cumpari ♪ 10 00:00:24,483 --> 00:00:26,569 And all of a sudden, I just start singing along with it. 11 00:00:26,652 --> 00:00:28,195 It just seemed natural. 12 00:00:28,279 --> 00:00:30,072 For some reason, it was effortless for me. 13 00:00:30,156 --> 00:00:32,116 I never had a pitch problem. I could just sing. 14 00:00:32,199 --> 00:00:33,826 Please welcome, Frank Stallone. 15 00:00:33,909 --> 00:00:35,536 -Frank Stallone. -Frank Stallone. 16 00:00:35,619 --> 00:00:37,329 -Frank Stallone. -Frank Stallone. 17 00:00:37,413 --> 00:00:39,206 -Frank Stallone. -Frank Stallone. 18 00:00:39,665 --> 00:00:42,752 [Sylvester] In his world, and his talent, he's, you know, 19 00:00:42,835 --> 00:00:45,379 every bit as good as I am at what I try to do. 20 00:00:45,463 --> 00:00:46,922 He's a five tool guy. 21 00:00:47,006 --> 00:00:49,925 He can sing, he can act, he can perform, 22 00:00:50,009 --> 00:00:52,595 he can write, and he could fight like a son of a bitch. 23 00:00:52,678 --> 00:00:54,305 When you watch Frank Stallone perform, 24 00:00:54,388 --> 00:00:55,806 he fulfills everything. 25 00:00:55,890 --> 00:00:57,808 It's just talent, man. It's just pure talent. 26 00:00:57,892 --> 00:00:59,185 He sings his ass off. Always did. 27 00:00:59,894 --> 00:01:01,270 He likes to talk a lot. 28 00:01:01,353 --> 00:01:02,897 -[laughs] -He can talk. 29 00:01:02,980 --> 00:01:05,441 He can tell a story, and he'll just capture you. 30 00:01:05,524 --> 00:01:06,525 He's just wonderful. 31 00:01:06,609 --> 00:01:07,610 [Billy] It's a combination 32 00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:09,653 of electric magnetism 33 00:01:09,737 --> 00:01:12,406 coupled with this incredible humility. 34 00:01:12,490 --> 00:01:13,908 It's just a rare cocktail. 35 00:01:13,991 --> 00:01:15,826 It's what I respect most about him. 36 00:01:16,285 --> 00:01:19,538 Frank has style and Frank has endurance. 37 00:01:19,622 --> 00:01:22,124 He's very driven. He's talented, and he's also a sweetheart 38 00:01:22,208 --> 00:01:24,001 of a guy. He's a winner. 39 00:01:24,084 --> 00:01:27,671 He's an electric sort of guy, and, and, uh, funny. 40 00:01:27,755 --> 00:01:29,965 He's entertaining. He's got a heart of gold. 41 00:01:30,049 --> 00:01:31,801 There's never a dull moment with Frank. 42 00:01:31,884 --> 00:01:33,260 [Frankie] He's got a big heart. 43 00:01:33,344 --> 00:01:35,721 That's what people don't see. It's that big. 44 00:01:35,805 --> 00:01:38,057 [Steven] He's a force. He's the real deal. 45 00:01:38,140 --> 00:01:40,434 There's so much more to him than meets the eye. 46 00:01:40,518 --> 00:01:42,186 I mean, everybody knows, yeah, he did a little 47 00:01:42,269 --> 00:01:43,938 doo-wop thing in the first Rocky film, 48 00:01:44,021 --> 00:01:45,272 and you think, "Oh, that's cute," you know, 49 00:01:45,356 --> 00:01:46,607 "Sylvester and his brother sing a little 50 00:01:46,690 --> 00:01:47,900 thing at the beginning." And then, 51 00:01:47,983 --> 00:01:49,235 you dig deeper, and you found out, 52 00:01:49,318 --> 00:01:51,612 "Wow, this guy's a tremendous musical artist 53 00:01:51,695 --> 00:01:52,822 in his own right." 54 00:01:52,905 --> 00:01:55,074 He was into music 24 hours a day. 55 00:01:55,157 --> 00:01:57,326 I knew that was his calling. 56 00:01:57,409 --> 00:01:58,577 He never quit. 57 00:01:58,661 --> 00:02:01,831 ♪ I know what I'm missing ♪ 58 00:02:01,914 --> 00:02:03,332 ♪ I talk ♪ 59 00:02:03,415 --> 00:02:04,708 ♪ No one listens ♪ 60 00:02:05,292 --> 00:02:08,671 ♪ Now I'm talking to myself ♪ 61 00:02:11,257 --> 00:02:14,385 ♪ Reach out, no reaction ♪ 62 00:02:14,468 --> 00:02:15,803 ♪ What price? ♪ 63 00:02:15,886 --> 00:02:17,137 ♪ Satisfaction ♪ 64 00:02:17,221 --> 00:02:18,889 ♪ If you give up ♪ 65 00:02:19,557 --> 00:02:20,766 ♪ Or give it all... ♪ 66 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:23,644 [upbeat jazz music] 67 00:02:39,118 --> 00:02:40,160 These were actually, uh, 68 00:02:40,244 --> 00:02:41,579 these were a gift to me. 69 00:02:43,289 --> 00:02:45,291 These were Frank Sinatra's cufflinks. 70 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:50,004 Maybe that'll bring me a... bit of good luck. 71 00:02:51,797 --> 00:02:52,882 See you in the movies. 72 00:02:52,965 --> 00:02:54,842 [upbeat jazz music continues] 73 00:03:17,781 --> 00:03:19,658 [announcer] Welcome back to the stage Frank Stallone. 74 00:03:19,742 --> 00:03:21,493 [audience applauds] 75 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:30,794 [Frank] I grew up in a kind of a strange environment. 76 00:03:30,878 --> 00:03:34,214 My father was from Italy, and my mother is a WASP, 77 00:03:34,298 --> 00:03:36,425 and she was born in Washington DC. 78 00:03:36,508 --> 00:03:37,927 So I didn't really grow up in, 79 00:03:38,010 --> 00:03:39,929 what you would call, a musical household. 80 00:03:40,012 --> 00:03:41,931 My father was a hair dresser. 81 00:03:42,014 --> 00:03:43,724 My mother worked in the same business, 82 00:03:43,807 --> 00:03:45,434 and it was a very tumultuous house. 83 00:03:45,517 --> 00:03:47,102 It was not a happy household. 84 00:03:47,686 --> 00:03:50,105 [Jackie] I remember once I went to Bloomingdale's, 85 00:03:50,189 --> 00:03:52,691 he was about five years old, and he's so quite. 86 00:03:52,775 --> 00:03:55,778 Were-- He said to Frankie, "Just sit here, don't move." 87 00:03:55,861 --> 00:03:58,113 He would not move until you gave him a command to move. 88 00:03:58,697 --> 00:04:01,116 When I got home, I realized I didn't have him. 89 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,577 He was still sitting on the bench in Bloomingdale's. 90 00:04:03,661 --> 00:04:05,955 I went back to the store, and there you were. [laughs] 91 00:04:06,038 --> 00:04:08,457 To pick him up, that's how well-mannered he was. 92 00:04:08,540 --> 00:04:10,042 [Annette] He was a good baby. 93 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:13,253 Frankie actually was putty in your hand. 94 00:04:13,337 --> 00:04:16,715 He was a beautiful little baby, and very good. 95 00:04:16,799 --> 00:04:20,469 Growing up, he was just a, a normal child, 96 00:04:20,552 --> 00:04:22,179 but he developed a passion, 97 00:04:22,262 --> 00:04:24,932 and I mean really a passion, for music. 98 00:04:25,557 --> 00:04:28,018 [Frank] I remember to this day, seeing Elvis Presley. 99 00:04:28,102 --> 00:04:30,104 All of a sudden, this wild man comes on. 100 00:04:30,187 --> 00:04:32,231 At six years old, I'm going, "Oh, yeah, 101 00:04:32,314 --> 00:04:33,816 forget 'Eh, Cumpari.' That, that bullshit, 102 00:04:33,899 --> 00:04:35,401 that's over. This is it right here." 103 00:04:35,484 --> 00:04:38,404 The hair, the look, just everything about him, 104 00:04:38,487 --> 00:04:39,822 and that was it, I was hooked. 105 00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:41,281 When my parents got divorced, 106 00:04:41,365 --> 00:04:43,117 I moved from Maryland to Philadelphia, 107 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,077 which was like night and day. 108 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,162 But then the doo-wop thing was always around, 109 00:04:47,246 --> 00:04:49,206 like The Platters, The Silhouettes, 110 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:50,374 that was like street corner. 111 00:04:50,457 --> 00:04:51,875 [hums and snaps] 112 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:52,876 So I got into that. 113 00:04:53,460 --> 00:04:55,462 My mother had left. She disappeared. 114 00:04:55,546 --> 00:04:56,880 And she came around Christmas time, 115 00:04:56,964 --> 00:04:59,425 and I saw these two like ukuleles. 116 00:04:59,508 --> 00:05:00,926 I know my brother has no musical talent, 117 00:05:01,010 --> 00:05:02,678 so I guess they're both for me, 118 00:05:02,761 --> 00:05:04,471 but he ended up breaking it over my head. 119 00:05:04,555 --> 00:05:06,515 That was the beginning and the end 120 00:05:06,598 --> 00:05:09,143 of like the Italian version of The Everly Brothers, 121 00:05:09,226 --> 00:05:10,936 because my brother, as talented as he is, 122 00:05:11,020 --> 00:05:12,229 just has no musical talent. 123 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:13,605 They tried. They bought him a trumpet. 124 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:14,773 He hammered the mouth piece in, 125 00:05:14,857 --> 00:05:16,775 but it just wasn't his bag, 126 00:05:16,859 --> 00:05:19,361 and he didn't know what his bag was until 20 years later. 127 00:05:19,445 --> 00:05:21,238 So he was just kind of a delinquent. 128 00:05:21,321 --> 00:05:22,948 [Sylvester] I would torture Frank. 129 00:05:23,032 --> 00:05:25,325 Everything from shooting arrows at him, 130 00:05:25,409 --> 00:05:28,203 and trying to put him in a barrel, 131 00:05:28,287 --> 00:05:30,372 and roll him down a hill while heaving rocks 132 00:05:30,456 --> 00:05:32,666 onto a freeway under construction. 133 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:36,295 His fingers almost got cut off in a cement mixer. 134 00:05:36,378 --> 00:05:38,338 We got into a fight over a drum stick, 135 00:05:38,422 --> 00:05:41,759 and I threw it at him, and it sort of stuck in his head, 136 00:05:41,842 --> 00:05:43,552 and he's still alive, which goes to show you, 137 00:05:43,635 --> 00:05:45,262 he's not normal. 138 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,723 He has a primitive neanderthal-type-skull. 139 00:05:48,307 --> 00:05:49,933 He's eating a bowl of ice cream. 140 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:51,602 He goes... [with deep voice] "Don't touch my ice cream," 141 00:05:51,685 --> 00:05:53,645 and he throws the ice cream in my face. 142 00:05:53,729 --> 00:05:58,025 I turn around, I hit him, and I shatter my hand. 143 00:05:58,108 --> 00:06:02,029 This is the way we've always conducted our business, 144 00:06:02,112 --> 00:06:06,200 me attacking my brother, and then blaming him. 145 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:07,993 So it's consistent. There something nice 146 00:06:08,077 --> 00:06:09,119 about consistency. 147 00:06:11,205 --> 00:06:13,165 [Frank] So then, off to military school. 148 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:16,418 I just got wind of The Beatles. I don't want to go to military school, 149 00:06:16,502 --> 00:06:18,462 and get a buzz haircut. I can't do this anymore. 150 00:06:18,545 --> 00:06:19,963 I just don't want to do it, 151 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:22,216 because now your hormones are kind of changing. 152 00:06:22,299 --> 00:06:24,968 The Beatles, The Stones, all this stuff is happening, 153 00:06:25,052 --> 00:06:26,261 and I'm wearing a buzz cut. 154 00:06:26,345 --> 00:06:28,263 I look like total jerk off. 155 00:06:28,347 --> 00:06:30,057 I don't fit in at all. 156 00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:31,600 So I left. I went to public school. 157 00:06:31,683 --> 00:06:33,143 I wasn't dumb. I was very smart, 158 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:34,645 but I couldn't apply myself. 159 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:36,438 Now you would call that ADD, 160 00:06:36,522 --> 00:06:38,190 but then, you just called it stupid. 161 00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:40,859 I think I got one A in 12 years of school. 162 00:06:40,943 --> 00:06:42,611 I flunked music all four years. 163 00:06:42,694 --> 00:06:44,196 Barely got out of high school. 164 00:06:44,780 --> 00:06:48,575 Frankie and I met in September of 1961. 165 00:06:48,659 --> 00:06:51,161 I had a set of drums, but most of us, 166 00:06:51,245 --> 00:06:53,997 we were just doing something that was part of a trend. 167 00:06:54,081 --> 00:06:56,291 For Frankie, it was a drive. 168 00:06:56,375 --> 00:06:58,752 He can't stop himself. 169 00:06:58,836 --> 00:07:01,463 I felt like a separation emotionally, 170 00:07:01,547 --> 00:07:03,215 like he was moving away, you know? 171 00:07:03,298 --> 00:07:05,217 He was very serious about that, and I... 172 00:07:06,135 --> 00:07:08,011 ...couldn't possibly get serious at that age. 173 00:07:09,388 --> 00:07:11,056 [Frank] I remember I worked all summer 174 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:13,642 for 150 bucks, and my stepfather said... 175 00:07:13,725 --> 00:07:15,727 [with deep voice] "Well, if you work, you can buy your own guitar." 176 00:07:15,811 --> 00:07:17,813 I said, "Okay, great." I went to 8th Street Music, 177 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:19,481 and I bought this bass, 178 00:07:19,565 --> 00:07:21,441 and he goes, "Oh, I didn't tell you you could buy that," 179 00:07:21,525 --> 00:07:22,776 and he took it away from me. 180 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:24,611 I didn't even get a chance to play it. 181 00:07:24,695 --> 00:07:26,363 It was so devastating to me, 182 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:28,282 because I was so proud because I worked for it, 183 00:07:28,365 --> 00:07:30,075 and he just put it away in the closet, 184 00:07:30,159 --> 00:07:32,244 and he goes, "Don't you ever touch that again." I said, 185 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:34,538 I said, "You said if I worked all summer, I could have it." 186 00:07:34,621 --> 00:07:37,082 I couldn't wait for when he left town. Of course I'd... 187 00:07:37,166 --> 00:07:39,042 [imitates a bass strumming] practice in the front room 188 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:41,128 with my band, and stuff like that. But I couldn't-- 189 00:07:41,211 --> 00:07:42,671 Then I realized I sucked at bass. 190 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:44,923 [Jackie] Well, he didn't like his stepfather 191 00:07:45,007 --> 00:07:46,675 for the simple reason his stepfather was 192 00:07:46,758 --> 00:07:49,386 pretty organized, and very neat, and clean. 193 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:51,346 He would insist Frankie get a haircut 194 00:07:51,430 --> 00:07:53,515 as soon as he'd come home. Well, that's the worst thing 195 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:54,975 you could say to a musician. 196 00:07:55,058 --> 00:07:57,477 So, they didn't get along well at all. 197 00:07:57,561 --> 00:07:59,021 [bright music] 198 00:07:59,104 --> 00:08:00,564 Got along very well with his father. 199 00:08:00,647 --> 00:08:03,192 His father lived in, uh, 200 00:08:03,275 --> 00:08:05,360 Florida or Washington DC at the time... 201 00:08:05,444 --> 00:08:06,737 [stutters] in both places, 202 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:08,530 and he got along well with his father. 203 00:08:09,323 --> 00:08:11,158 [Frank] We were getting hit in the '60s. 204 00:08:11,241 --> 00:08:13,410 Every day there was a new British invasion group, 205 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:15,746 The Dave Clark Five, The Kinks, The Who. 206 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:17,247 It was so exciting. I mean, 207 00:08:17,331 --> 00:08:19,082 it was a blitzkrieg of British groups. 208 00:08:19,166 --> 00:08:21,627 Everyone thought you were English if you had long hair. 209 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:23,462 You know, those guys had Philly accents. 210 00:08:23,545 --> 00:08:25,589 [imitating accent] "Hello, love, how yous doing there?" 211 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:27,841 You say, "Oh, God, Almighty," you know? 212 00:08:27,925 --> 00:08:29,343 But girls thought you were British, 213 00:08:29,426 --> 00:08:32,596 We're about as British as, you know, whatever. 214 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,097 So, what's the next thing? 215 00:08:34,181 --> 00:08:35,641 Let's straighten Frank's hair. 216 00:08:35,724 --> 00:08:38,310 To watch a guy iron his own hair is ridiculous. 217 00:08:38,393 --> 00:08:40,395 It doesn't work. I was burning my scalp. 218 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:43,774 I looked like an O-Cedar mop, just like, like a roof. 219 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:46,276 It was horrible. So then I figured it out. 220 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,904 If I washed my hair it'd be wet. I'd put like Dippity-Do in it, 221 00:08:48,987 --> 00:08:52,574 and I'd put a hair net on, and sit under a hair dryer, 222 00:08:52,658 --> 00:08:53,951 and it'd come out beautifully straight. 223 00:08:54,034 --> 00:08:55,244 Two seconds on the stage, 224 00:08:55,327 --> 00:08:56,536 sweat, and it all... 225 00:08:56,620 --> 00:08:58,455 [boing] 226 00:08:59,248 --> 00:09:02,167 I turned professional in 1965. 227 00:09:02,251 --> 00:09:04,753 The guy next door said, "Hey, well I'm having a party," 228 00:09:04,836 --> 00:09:08,048 so we set our stuff up on the lawn, and we played. 229 00:09:08,131 --> 00:09:09,675 I think they gave us five bucks 230 00:09:09,758 --> 00:09:11,677 like for the band, and I said, "Well, 231 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,637 I'm professional. I'm getting paid." 232 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,473 This was my first group, The American Tragedy. 233 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:19,977 [Mark] Frank is a natural-born entertainer. 234 00:09:20,060 --> 00:09:23,605 His singing ability, and his delivery, 235 00:09:23,689 --> 00:09:26,441 his performance was unbelievable. 236 00:09:26,525 --> 00:09:29,861 [Mike Barford] There was a thing, an advertisement for a thing called 237 00:09:29,945 --> 00:09:31,738 the Philadelphia Battle of the Bands, 238 00:09:31,822 --> 00:09:33,615 which was all throughout Philadelphia. 239 00:09:33,699 --> 00:09:36,576 I heard numbers like 300 bands started or something, 240 00:09:36,660 --> 00:09:38,120 and the competition was fierce, 241 00:09:38,203 --> 00:09:40,080 but we came in second of all the bands, 242 00:09:40,163 --> 00:09:41,790 and that was a lot of acknowledgement. 243 00:09:41,873 --> 00:09:43,000 It was a lot of fun. 244 00:09:44,084 --> 00:09:45,919 [Frank] My brother managed me for one day 245 00:09:46,003 --> 00:09:47,504 with The American Tragedy. 246 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:50,507 We went to see a group called The Soultastics, 247 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:52,551 and Sly goes, "Yeah, that's what you guys should be doing." 248 00:09:52,634 --> 00:09:54,386 We were kids. We couldn't even drive yet. 249 00:09:54,469 --> 00:09:56,722 So my brother's funny maid just walks up, and goes, 250 00:09:56,805 --> 00:09:58,015 "Hey, who's your manager?" 251 00:09:58,098 --> 00:10:00,058 So my brother contacts this guy. 252 00:10:00,642 --> 00:10:03,395 We auditioned and played. He goes, "Yeah, you guys are pretty good, 253 00:10:03,478 --> 00:10:04,730 but you have to get outfits." 254 00:10:04,813 --> 00:10:07,274 They were these big horse-checked pants 255 00:10:07,357 --> 00:10:09,568 with orange turtlenecks. 256 00:10:09,651 --> 00:10:12,154 But why would you buy a turtleneck sweater 257 00:10:12,237 --> 00:10:14,865 to play live with wool plaid pants? 258 00:10:14,948 --> 00:10:16,783 -[knocking at door] -[door clatters] 259 00:10:16,867 --> 00:10:19,453 -Oh, my God! [laughs] -There it is! Mike! 260 00:10:19,536 --> 00:10:21,997 [Mike] Frankie was looking for something greater than the neighborhood. 261 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,582 It was time for him to move on, 262 00:10:23,665 --> 00:10:24,958 time for him to get out there, 263 00:10:25,042 --> 00:10:26,626 but we were that stepping stone. 264 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:28,545 We got him started, and I'm very proud of that. 265 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:30,047 I think our group is proud of that. 266 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:32,758 We, we all take pride in saying that, 267 00:10:33,175 --> 00:10:34,718 "Hey, we know Frank Stallone." 268 00:10:34,801 --> 00:10:36,636 We knew him back when no one knew 269 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,263 how well he could sing but us, 270 00:10:38,347 --> 00:10:40,098 and he's proved it over and over again. 271 00:10:41,183 --> 00:10:43,352 [Frank] I meet my friend, Allen Rosenblum. 272 00:10:43,435 --> 00:10:44,936 I didn't know he played guitar, and I was hearing, 273 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:47,147 "Oh, Allen Rosenblum can sure play guitar." 274 00:10:47,230 --> 00:10:48,523 So Allen and I got together, and we put 275 00:10:48,607 --> 00:10:49,941 the first Valentine together. 276 00:10:50,984 --> 00:10:52,944 Why did I change my name to Valentine? 277 00:10:53,028 --> 00:10:54,988 Because I had no money. I'd just brought this western belt, 278 00:10:55,072 --> 00:10:56,698 and it had the name Valentine 279 00:10:56,782 --> 00:10:58,450 carved back in western letters. 280 00:10:58,533 --> 00:11:00,869 I said, "Well, shit, man, I want to wear this belt, 281 00:11:00,952 --> 00:11:02,537 so I'll change my name to Valentine." 282 00:11:03,372 --> 00:11:04,956 That belt was the only belt I owned. 283 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,833 [chuckles] It had Valentine written on the back, 284 00:11:06,917 --> 00:11:08,919 and I didn't want to explain it to people. 285 00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:12,297 Valentine was a very well know Downtown Philly band. 286 00:11:12,381 --> 00:11:14,132 We wrote all our own tunes. 287 00:11:14,216 --> 00:11:15,884 We had a nice repertory of originals. 288 00:11:15,967 --> 00:11:17,511 Frank had some. I had some. 289 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:19,012 We wrote a couple together. 290 00:11:19,554 --> 00:11:24,393 ♪ Fifty pages set the stage to succeed to... ♪ 291 00:11:24,476 --> 00:11:26,311 [Frank] The bass player, he said, "Man, I know 292 00:11:26,395 --> 00:11:29,189 this guy, he's a great keyboard player, Daryl Hall." 293 00:11:29,272 --> 00:11:30,857 And it's this really handsome guy. 294 00:11:30,941 --> 00:11:33,527 He walks down the steps while we're rehearsing, 295 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:35,487 sitting there, and he's listening to us, 296 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:37,572 and he's got a smile on his face. He goes, "Wow, man." 297 00:11:37,656 --> 00:11:39,574 He's a real nice guy. "God, you guys sound great, man." 298 00:11:39,658 --> 00:11:42,077 And so he was playing in a successful bar band 299 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,329 that worked all the time on the weekends making money. 300 00:11:44,413 --> 00:11:46,623 We made nothing. So he had to kind of bough out, 301 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:48,250 but he was very nice. And then, 302 00:11:48,333 --> 00:11:49,709 they throw me out of my own group. 303 00:11:49,793 --> 00:11:51,461 For some reason, I was becoming unruly. 304 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:53,922 [Allen] He would get into moods sometimes, 305 00:11:54,005 --> 00:11:55,924 and when he'd finally show up to rehearsal, 306 00:11:56,007 --> 00:11:57,342 you know, an hour late, 307 00:11:57,426 --> 00:11:59,136 we decided that Frank had to go. 308 00:11:59,594 --> 00:12:01,847 And even though I'd been a schmuck... 309 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:04,141 [laughs] you know, when, when the band, you know, 310 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:06,726 when we tossed him out of the band, he wouldn't let go. 311 00:12:06,810 --> 00:12:08,645 Our friendship meant something to him. 312 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:10,230 If you have to have a friend, 313 00:12:10,897 --> 00:12:12,274 have a friend like Frank Stallone. 314 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:16,653 [Frank] And then you go through that bad time being a solo artist, 315 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:18,447 playing for a white fish. 316 00:12:18,530 --> 00:12:20,323 Seriously, that's how I got paid, in like smoked fish 317 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:22,159 one night because I was starving. 318 00:12:22,242 --> 00:12:25,245 I was suffering from severe panic attacks, and I didn't know 319 00:12:25,328 --> 00:12:27,414 what they were. I thought I was absolutely insane. 320 00:12:27,497 --> 00:12:30,375 I'm having like a nervous breakdown every four minutes. 321 00:12:30,459 --> 00:12:32,127 I'm talking. I'm going like... [mumbles] 322 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:33,253 It was horrible. 323 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:36,047 [Annette] I was working at a radio station, 324 00:12:36,131 --> 00:12:39,217 and he had a little demo, evidently, of his voice. 325 00:12:39,301 --> 00:12:40,927 We went into the recording room 326 00:12:41,011 --> 00:12:43,555 where the engineer was there, and he played it. 327 00:12:43,638 --> 00:12:45,515 He said, "Kid, let me tell you something." 328 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:46,850 He said, "Don't waste your time. 329 00:12:46,933 --> 00:12:48,268 You'll never make it," you know? 330 00:12:48,351 --> 00:12:50,562 And I thought, "Damn, well." [laughs] 331 00:12:51,688 --> 00:12:53,482 [Frank] My manager at that time... [sighs] 332 00:12:53,565 --> 00:12:55,358 ..."I got you a job in Portland, Maine." 333 00:12:55,442 --> 00:12:57,944 I go, "What? You got us a gig in Portland, Maine?" 334 00:12:58,028 --> 00:13:00,113 We were playing like country bars in Marysville, 335 00:13:00,197 --> 00:13:02,782 Pennsylvania, you know? And that group was called Bananas. 336 00:13:02,866 --> 00:13:05,285 We're driving a Ford Econoline van. 337 00:13:05,368 --> 00:13:06,495 We had no money. 338 00:13:06,578 --> 00:13:07,913 They spent the money on hashish. 339 00:13:08,371 --> 00:13:09,956 I said, "What-- what the hell are we going to do? 340 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,666 We're driving to Portland, Maine." He goes, 341 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:12,834 "Hey, you won't even know it." 342 00:13:12,918 --> 00:13:14,294 We see the club. We go, 343 00:13:14,377 --> 00:13:16,254 "All right, man, cool, this is great." 344 00:13:16,338 --> 00:13:18,215 The guy goes, "What are you talking about?" 345 00:13:19,132 --> 00:13:20,675 "We're Bananas." 346 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:22,886 He goes, "I have no idea what you're talking about." 347 00:13:23,678 --> 00:13:25,931 I said, "Are you serious?" We just drove 348 00:13:26,014 --> 00:13:29,392 from Trenton, New Jersey, to Portland, Maine, and there's no gig? 349 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:32,562 It's the middle of the winter. Obviously, we were blitzed, 350 00:13:32,646 --> 00:13:34,356 and I think we stopped for like hot dog 351 00:13:34,439 --> 00:13:36,691 and we cut it three ways. But anyway, we made it back. 352 00:13:36,775 --> 00:13:38,944 That group breaks up. Then I put together 353 00:13:39,027 --> 00:13:40,820 Valentine Two. And we said, "Well, 354 00:13:40,904 --> 00:13:43,323 we got this guy, John Oates." I said, "Yeah, cool." 355 00:13:43,406 --> 00:13:45,951 [John] When I came to my first rehearsal with the band, 356 00:13:46,034 --> 00:13:49,079 I immediately knew Frank was the force in the band. 357 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:52,165 It was his thing, you know? He had a, he had a lot of charisma, 358 00:13:52,249 --> 00:13:54,626 he had a lot of presence, and he had a really great voice, 359 00:13:54,709 --> 00:13:56,670 and he looked good. You know, he was always very concerned with 360 00:13:56,753 --> 00:13:58,547 how he presented himself, you know? 361 00:13:58,630 --> 00:14:00,340 In terms of how he dressed, and how he looked. 362 00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:03,260 I think he had a very kind of professional approach to this 363 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,011 kind of hippie band that we had. 364 00:14:05,095 --> 00:14:07,764 He was always like up to something. I remember, one day, 365 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:10,850 he came in, and he was wearing like pancake makeup, and I couldn't figure out why, 366 00:14:10,934 --> 00:14:13,019 because we were rehearsing in a church or something. 367 00:14:13,103 --> 00:14:15,355 It was very weird. But, but he had this thing. 368 00:14:15,438 --> 00:14:17,357 He had to give this kind of theatrical thing. 369 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,025 He was always kind of performing. 370 00:14:19,109 --> 00:14:20,360 Frank was always kind of on. 371 00:14:21,444 --> 00:14:23,572 We had on big gig at the Electric Factory, 372 00:14:23,655 --> 00:14:26,283 which was the hot rock club in Philadelphia in the '60s. 373 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:28,159 That was kind of our swan song. I think that was 374 00:14:28,243 --> 00:14:30,370 the big gig, and after that, it was done. 375 00:14:30,453 --> 00:14:32,455 And that's when Daryl and I put our thing together. 376 00:14:34,374 --> 00:14:36,585 [Frank] I stayed with my brother in New York. We had like a shit hole. 377 00:14:36,668 --> 00:14:37,961 [Sylvester] He crawled through the window. 378 00:14:38,044 --> 00:14:39,296 He goes, "You mind if I live here?" 379 00:14:39,379 --> 00:14:40,672 It was $72 a month, 380 00:14:40,755 --> 00:14:43,258 and the room next to me was kind of abandoned. 381 00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:46,219 And it was right next to my brother's, right, the door-- 382 00:14:46,303 --> 00:14:49,014 the wall was here, he was there, I was here. They were crap holes. 383 00:14:49,097 --> 00:14:51,600 I said, "Well, why don't we just take a shovel on the thing?" 384 00:14:51,683 --> 00:14:53,351 And we tore a hole in the wall. 385 00:14:53,435 --> 00:14:54,978 He had a hole, that he would come through 386 00:14:55,061 --> 00:14:57,564 this condemned apartment that he didn't belong in, 387 00:14:57,647 --> 00:14:59,983 and he'd sleep in my thing, and go back and forth. 388 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:02,444 [Frank] And I just would bullshit my way into stuff, 389 00:15:02,527 --> 00:15:03,612 but I was really innocent. 390 00:15:03,695 --> 00:15:04,654 I mean, I didn't do drugs. 391 00:15:04,738 --> 00:15:05,572 I was like a virgin. 392 00:15:05,655 --> 00:15:06,615 I didn't know anything. 393 00:15:07,365 --> 00:15:10,410 I think I got laid once in like five years, whatever. 394 00:15:10,493 --> 00:15:13,330 I was just focused into what I was doing, 395 00:15:13,413 --> 00:15:15,332 and girls didn't want to go after me. I had no money. 396 00:15:15,832 --> 00:15:18,627 There's a place on 85th Street called Kenny's Castaways. 397 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:22,339 I walk in, and there's this guy on stage with a hat. 398 00:15:22,422 --> 00:15:25,383 [imitates rock singer] 399 00:15:25,467 --> 00:15:27,093 It's the E Street Band. 400 00:15:27,177 --> 00:15:29,929 It's Bruce Springsteen doing... ♪ Rosalita ♪ 401 00:15:30,013 --> 00:15:31,848 ...and now I have to go on. It's like, you know, 402 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:34,142 if you had a puppet act following The Beatles. 403 00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:37,270 And on those white like kind of things with magic marker, 404 00:15:37,354 --> 00:15:42,442 it says, "Tonight Bruce Springstine and Valentine." 405 00:15:42,901 --> 00:15:44,235 God, if I had a picture of that! 406 00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:47,113 So that's when I went to Florida. 407 00:15:47,197 --> 00:15:49,616 I went to a place, it was called the Feed Bag. 408 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:52,911 That was the time when someone gave me PCP, 409 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,579 and all of a sudden, it just hit me. 410 00:15:54,663 --> 00:15:56,164 I said, "Hey, how you doing, folks?" 411 00:15:56,247 --> 00:15:59,584 [guitar strums offkey] 412 00:16:00,877 --> 00:16:02,879 I'm going like this, but now the neck is growing, 413 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:05,548 so the neck looks like it's 20 feet long, so I'm going. 414 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:09,177 [guitar strums loudly offkey] 415 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:13,640 And what happened, I just untuned the guitar so badly, 416 00:16:13,723 --> 00:16:16,518 but I couldn't reach the neck, and it took so long. 417 00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:19,104 That was the show. I never got a chance to sing. 418 00:16:19,187 --> 00:16:20,563 They said, "Thank you, Valentine, man. 419 00:16:20,647 --> 00:16:22,399 We appreciate it, brother. Right on." 420 00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:24,401 I said... [with deep voice] "But I can't tune it." 421 00:16:24,484 --> 00:16:26,027 They said, "Another day." 422 00:16:26,111 --> 00:16:27,904 The last thing I wanted to do, was do anything 423 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:29,531 that was mind expanding. 424 00:16:29,614 --> 00:16:31,616 You know, my mind was expanded enough. 425 00:16:32,283 --> 00:16:34,327 So I played in Florida for a while, and then I said, 426 00:16:34,411 --> 00:16:36,287 "Okay, I'm coming back to New York. 427 00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:37,914 I'm coming back strong with a vengeance." 428 00:16:38,581 --> 00:16:40,667 And the most incredible thing I ever did. 429 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:44,254 I used someone else's voice to get a record deal. 430 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,298 There was a song that my bass player, Jody, 431 00:16:47,382 --> 00:16:49,300 sang on, and I go, "God, this is really good." 432 00:16:49,384 --> 00:16:51,678 I went around to people, I said, "Yeah, man, what do you think?" 433 00:16:51,761 --> 00:16:54,556 And they go, "Wow, that's a great record. We should re-record that." 434 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:56,933 But it's Jody singing, but I'm telling them it's me. 435 00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:59,436 Of course, that went nowhere. Jody goes, "Yeah, 436 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,646 I'm in New York. Come over, man. We're over at these girls' house." 437 00:17:01,730 --> 00:17:03,773 I said, "Why don't we just put a group together? 438 00:17:03,857 --> 00:17:06,401 Yeah, forget this shit with these girls." So we're like drunk. 439 00:17:06,484 --> 00:17:08,528 The girls go, "Hey, we're going to go out and get some food, 440 00:17:08,611 --> 00:17:11,239 and we'll be back later." We ran out of the place, 441 00:17:11,322 --> 00:17:13,616 jumped into a cab. I said "We're going to Trenton," 442 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:15,702 and I called my friend, Bob Tangrea, 443 00:17:15,785 --> 00:17:17,662 because he was a great singer and guitar player. 444 00:17:17,746 --> 00:17:19,622 I said, "I put a group together called Valentine, 445 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:21,583 and we'll get the three best lead singers I know. 446 00:17:21,666 --> 00:17:24,419 We'll put together this group." So it will be Jody, 447 00:17:24,502 --> 00:17:26,796 Bobby, and myself, overnight. 448 00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:30,383 These girls are probably still sitting there with the groceries. 449 00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:33,762 [Bob] We formed Valentine, and we actually had a manager, 450 00:17:33,845 --> 00:17:36,598 who was Robin Garb and Bill Ring. They were our managers. 451 00:17:36,681 --> 00:17:38,850 They had a company called Ascension Artists, 452 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:42,270 and, uh, they signed us to a deal, 453 00:17:42,353 --> 00:17:45,482 and we started working at, you know, local clubs. 454 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:48,526 [Frank] We played Kenny's Castaways, and my brother was there, 455 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:50,236 which was like 2.50 to get in. 456 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,155 "We'll just carry some equipment." 457 00:17:52,238 --> 00:17:53,948 I said, "Yeah, they're with us, the roadies." 458 00:17:54,032 --> 00:17:55,200 It was 2.50. You know, 459 00:17:55,283 --> 00:17:56,910 it shows how good he was doing. 460 00:17:57,786 --> 00:18:00,538 Now we're in New Jersey. We played at this club a 130 nights, 461 00:18:00,622 --> 00:18:03,666 and every Wednesday, this place was packed into the street. 462 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:05,710 I went to see those guys a lot. I went to see him in Philadelphia. 463 00:18:05,794 --> 00:18:07,587 I went to see him in a place called Charlie's Uncle 464 00:18:07,670 --> 00:18:09,964 in Brunswick. And... saw him a couple of places 465 00:18:10,048 --> 00:18:11,883 in New York, I believe, too, and, uh... 466 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:14,886 You know, it was always a lot of fun, always very exciting. 467 00:18:15,553 --> 00:18:17,388 I got called in one night as a sub. 468 00:18:17,472 --> 00:18:20,058 They were nice enough to give this young 18-year-old kid 469 00:18:20,141 --> 00:18:22,268 a chance to come up and play, and they would call me up and play with them 470 00:18:22,352 --> 00:18:23,728 once in a while, and it was a big deal for me. 471 00:18:23,812 --> 00:18:25,980 I did, I got up and played a couple sets, 472 00:18:26,064 --> 00:18:27,524 you know? We had a good time. 473 00:18:28,399 --> 00:18:29,776 [Frank] My manager says, "We finally got you 474 00:18:29,859 --> 00:18:31,486 a record deal on PolyGram, 475 00:18:31,569 --> 00:18:34,405 and we're going to be going out to California to record." 476 00:18:34,489 --> 00:18:37,992 Everyone in town is so excited, Valentine got signed. 477 00:18:38,076 --> 00:18:41,287 I get a phone call, "Ah, deal fell through." 478 00:18:41,371 --> 00:18:42,956 I go, "Excuse me?" 479 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:46,584 He goes, "There's no deal. We're not going to California." 480 00:18:46,668 --> 00:18:49,546 I go, "Wait a second, last night we had 481 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:52,423 hundreds of people, a bon voyage party with a keg. 482 00:18:52,841 --> 00:18:54,801 We canceled all our gigs. 483 00:18:54,884 --> 00:18:57,470 And you're telling me, as I'm opening the door 484 00:18:57,554 --> 00:19:00,139 to go to the airport, the gig's off?" 485 00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:02,225 That would have made most people just say, 486 00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:04,185 "You know what? I can't do this anymore." 487 00:19:04,269 --> 00:19:06,062 But we didn't, we just got stronger and stronger. 488 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:10,024 Then I get a call in 1975 from my brother. 489 00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:13,111 My brother had moved to California. 490 00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:17,156 He is starting a little movie called, Rocky, 491 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,034 and says... [with deep voice] "I need a song." 492 00:19:20,118 --> 00:19:22,996 Why he called me? Because there was no budget. 493 00:19:23,496 --> 00:19:25,915 I remember just sitting there going... ♪ Take you back ♪ 494 00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:28,585 [hums] on my guitar, just figuring something out. 495 00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:31,880 And eventually, I wrote the song. 496 00:19:31,963 --> 00:19:34,090 So I tell my group, I said, "Listen, my brother's 497 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:36,467 doing this movie about boxing." 498 00:19:37,552 --> 00:19:39,345 So they said, "I don't know if we want to play. 499 00:19:39,429 --> 00:19:41,180 We're making 140 bucks that night." 500 00:19:41,264 --> 00:19:42,932 That's between five people. 501 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:46,019 Five people at a 140 bucks, and the manager takes 20%, 502 00:19:46,102 --> 00:19:48,688 so take $28 off that. 503 00:19:48,771 --> 00:19:52,734 So it's $112 divided by five. So it was a big night. 504 00:19:52,817 --> 00:19:55,111 It was like a bowling alley that had a stage. 505 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,739 There was supposed to be hot chicks there. We get a call, 506 00:19:57,822 --> 00:19:59,949 and Sly goes, "Well, yeah, we can pay you a 140." 507 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,618 I said, "Well, we're getting 140." 508 00:20:01,701 --> 00:20:03,453 I mean... [stutters] he goes, "No, each." 509 00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:04,537 We go, "Excuse me?" 510 00:20:05,079 --> 00:20:06,706 That's like a month's wages for us. 511 00:20:07,290 --> 00:20:08,958 It was very cool. We all went down together 512 00:20:09,042 --> 00:20:10,752 in our van, got a little ripped, 513 00:20:10,835 --> 00:20:12,045 and we stood around those trash cans 514 00:20:12,128 --> 00:20:13,171 singing "Take You Back." 515 00:20:13,254 --> 00:20:14,297 ♪ Take you back ♪ 516 00:20:14,964 --> 00:20:17,467 ♪ Do do do do Take you back ♪ 517 00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:20,053 [Frank] They showed me at the hotel, some trailers, 518 00:20:20,136 --> 00:20:22,263 of what they'd shot. Really low budget. 519 00:20:22,347 --> 00:20:24,515 It was a cheap hotel. And I remember 520 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,559 John Avildsen, the director, was there, 521 00:20:26,643 --> 00:20:28,895 and my brother, and a few other people, 522 00:20:28,978 --> 00:20:30,146 And they're looking at daily's. I said, 523 00:20:30,229 --> 00:20:32,231 "Man, this is really cool." 524 00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:34,025 There was feeling I had about it. 525 00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:36,152 Even when they were shooting it on the street, 526 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:38,071 there was a feeling I had about it. 527 00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:39,989 You know, it's a gut feeling. I can't explain it, 528 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:41,824 because I hadn't seen the movie. 529 00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,452 But just the idea, it was just kind of cool. 530 00:20:44,535 --> 00:20:46,871 The-- Just vibe that was going on was really cool. 531 00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:48,873 [Bill] When Rocky was being shot, 532 00:20:48,957 --> 00:20:51,376 I was, more or less, around the project, 533 00:20:52,126 --> 00:20:54,671 and could see some of the assemblages. 534 00:20:54,754 --> 00:20:55,922 You know, they put stuff together. 535 00:20:56,631 --> 00:20:59,717 And, uh, not the timing, just assembled. 536 00:20:59,801 --> 00:21:03,596 And then I saw "Take You Back," which was like, 537 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,057 "How did this get here? What is this? 538 00:21:06,140 --> 00:21:07,725 Man, that's really good. I like that." 539 00:21:07,809 --> 00:21:10,687 "Oh, yeah, yeah, Sly's brother did that." 540 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,106 I go, "Really? I didn't know that." 541 00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:15,858 And that was my introduction to Frank as a singer. 542 00:21:15,942 --> 00:21:18,987 Frank came along with all the talent that Sly had. 543 00:21:19,070 --> 00:21:22,365 [Sylvester] He knew those streets, and he did sing around barrels, 544 00:21:22,448 --> 00:21:24,409 and he did do acapella, 545 00:21:24,492 --> 00:21:26,786 so he was extremely 546 00:21:26,869 --> 00:21:30,081 original and authentic for that part. 547 00:21:30,164 --> 00:21:33,459 And the attitude that you saw between us, like, 548 00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:35,962 "Hey, the bum from the dock. 549 00:21:36,045 --> 00:21:37,046 Get a job, you bum." 550 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:38,798 That's the way we are. 551 00:21:38,881 --> 00:21:41,259 We was just, you know, always ripping on one another. 552 00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:42,468 -Hey. -Hey, 553 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:46,097 the bum from the dock. Get a job, you bum. 554 00:21:46,597 --> 00:21:49,142 [Frank] There was a premiere in New York City 555 00:21:49,225 --> 00:21:52,478 at the theater where Sly was the head usher for years. 556 00:21:52,562 --> 00:21:54,188 And I have a photo. 557 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:57,483 We're standing there in really cheesy polyester suits. 558 00:21:57,567 --> 00:22:00,069 I mean, we didn't have any money, but that photo 559 00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:03,823 is the last photo of him being unknown. 560 00:22:03,906 --> 00:22:06,284 From that day on ,it was crazy. 561 00:22:06,367 --> 00:22:11,956 [Sylvester] That was the last vestiges of privacy ever, which is fine. 562 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,084 I'm fine with it... [chuckles] but to obscure is one thing, 563 00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:17,045 but it's nice to be remembered for something. 564 00:22:17,128 --> 00:22:21,299 But, my brother, we were, you know, together at that moment. 565 00:22:21,382 --> 00:22:24,385 So that was, that's pretty, uh, pretty seismic. 566 00:22:26,804 --> 00:22:29,307 [Frank] All of a sudden, overnight, everything is Rocky. 567 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:31,768 This movie is getting heat. 568 00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:33,811 [Peter] When that whole effect happened, and all of a sudden, 569 00:22:33,895 --> 00:22:37,231 we were the band singing that song on the street corner, 570 00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:42,111 our management was able to go into RCA Records and say, 571 00:22:42,195 --> 00:22:43,738 "Don't you want them to have an album deal? 572 00:22:43,821 --> 00:22:45,740 Because they're in what's looking to be like 573 00:22:45,823 --> 00:22:47,742 probably the best movie of the year." 574 00:22:47,825 --> 00:22:49,494 So we got an album deal. 575 00:22:50,203 --> 00:22:52,497 [Bob] The person who produced the album was Tony Camilio. 576 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:54,499 He came up with an arrangement to do 577 00:22:54,582 --> 00:22:56,000 an orchestrated version of "Take You Back." 578 00:22:56,084 --> 00:22:57,710 That's what we released as a single. 579 00:22:57,794 --> 00:23:00,379 And as soon as we released the album, 580 00:23:00,463 --> 00:23:04,300 the whole regime of RCA was... [clicks tongue] was cut. 581 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,427 So the people who were A&R people, 582 00:23:06,511 --> 00:23:09,347 who would be doing promotion, weren't there anymore. 583 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:11,474 So we were kind of like thrown under the rug. 584 00:23:11,557 --> 00:23:13,142 After Rocky was out, it kind of gave us 585 00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:14,477 a little impetus to get moving, 586 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,229 since we didn't have RCA behind us. 587 00:23:16,312 --> 00:23:18,439 So our management got us spots on, 588 00:23:18,523 --> 00:23:20,942 The Mike Douglas Show, The Jim Nabors Show, 589 00:23:21,025 --> 00:23:22,443 but we also did Midnight Special, 590 00:23:22,527 --> 00:23:24,737 which was a big rock and roll show back then. 591 00:23:24,821 --> 00:23:26,864 [Bill Ring] Dinah! was the very first one. 592 00:23:26,948 --> 00:23:29,617 Sly introduced us as his favorite band. 593 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:31,160 I wonder if that's still the case? 594 00:23:31,244 --> 00:23:33,204 Here they are, and making their, I guess, 595 00:23:33,287 --> 00:23:36,541 television debut, my favorite group, Valentine. 596 00:23:36,624 --> 00:23:39,210 -[audience applauds] -[Dinah speaks indistinctly] 597 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:44,006 ♪ Take you back ♪ 598 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:45,550 ♪ Do do do do ♪ 599 00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,968 ♪ Take you back, yeah, yeah ♪ 600 00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:48,636 [Frank] Right after we'd play, 601 00:23:48,719 --> 00:23:51,556 I'd go over to the couch, and everything went to, 602 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:53,391 "Hey, Frank, the group sounds great. 603 00:23:53,474 --> 00:23:55,810 So what's it like being Rocky's brother? 604 00:23:55,893 --> 00:23:58,604 So what's it like... [mumbles] being in the shadow?" 605 00:23:58,688 --> 00:24:01,149 So all this started, and I'd never had that before. 606 00:24:01,232 --> 00:24:03,484 They thought I was a nice, cute kid or something, 607 00:24:03,568 --> 00:24:04,902 but really, they couldn't get him, 608 00:24:04,986 --> 00:24:06,529 so they'd get me, ask me about him. 609 00:24:06,612 --> 00:24:10,533 I was always thought of as Frank Stallone, musician. 610 00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:12,994 It was always Frank Stallone, clap, musician. 611 00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:15,621 So now it was Frank Stallone/ 612 00:24:15,705 --> 00:24:18,666 Rocky's brother/something else then musician. 613 00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:22,044 He's gone through hell. I mean, they would put signs up, 614 00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:24,547 "Appearing tonight, Rocky's brother." 615 00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:28,843 I recognized immediately, that's real awkward for Frank. 616 00:24:29,594 --> 00:24:31,345 Especially as I've heard him say, 617 00:24:31,429 --> 00:24:33,806 "To be the brother of a fictional character." 618 00:24:33,890 --> 00:24:36,976 "Rocky's brother," oh, man, come on. 619 00:24:37,059 --> 00:24:38,811 It's so degrading. 620 00:24:38,895 --> 00:24:40,563 And not about the movie, I love the movie. 621 00:24:40,646 --> 00:24:42,231 It's just that, it's like I felt like 622 00:24:42,315 --> 00:24:44,150 a complete and absolute failure. 623 00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:47,695 I would be bitter, but he is bitter, 624 00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:49,864 and I like that about him. He's very consistent. 625 00:24:49,947 --> 00:24:51,574 [Frank] I was never mad at my brother. 626 00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:53,117 I always loved what he did. 627 00:24:53,201 --> 00:24:55,661 I was kind of mad that I was being discounted, 628 00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:57,705 and treated in a way that like I just picked up 629 00:24:57,788 --> 00:25:00,374 the guitar when Rocky came out, not knowing 630 00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:02,418 the years of driving through blizzards 631 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:05,713 to go to gigs for no money, and just learning the trade. 632 00:25:05,796 --> 00:25:07,673 We knew where the cards were starting to go 633 00:25:07,757 --> 00:25:09,717 once we started to show up at gigs. 634 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,762 And to highlight the connection, a club owner would say, 635 00:25:12,845 --> 00:25:14,972 "Frank Stallone with Valentine." 636 00:25:15,056 --> 00:25:17,516 [Bill Ring] The guys in the band weren't happy about it. 637 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,936 It was source of some frustration and friction. 638 00:25:20,019 --> 00:25:21,687 We went with it, and 639 00:25:21,771 --> 00:25:24,649 Frank became more featured, doing more lead vocals. 640 00:25:24,732 --> 00:25:26,567 The rest of the guys didn't get as much 641 00:25:26,651 --> 00:25:28,653 time featured, with-- you know, in the band. 642 00:25:28,736 --> 00:25:31,239 [Robin] It was too tempting, and too much of... 643 00:25:31,322 --> 00:25:32,907 [stutters] of a thing to turn down, 644 00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:34,533 the notoriety, the success, 645 00:25:34,617 --> 00:25:37,370 but it created a problem within the band, 646 00:25:37,453 --> 00:25:39,372 and the band didn't blame Frank for that. 647 00:25:39,455 --> 00:25:42,124 Nobody was resentful at Frank, because they recognized 648 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,126 that Frank was in a bad situation that way. 649 00:25:45,253 --> 00:25:47,588 [Bob] I think it went to Frank's head a little bit. I don't know if he was, uh, 650 00:25:47,672 --> 00:25:50,591 he was a little hard to work with, let's put it that way. 651 00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:52,718 It was a very dismal time. 652 00:25:52,802 --> 00:25:56,305 Very dismal because this was kind of our shot. 653 00:25:56,389 --> 00:25:57,932 We'd lost our record deal. 654 00:25:58,015 --> 00:25:59,267 Nobody really wanted us. 655 00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:01,060 That was a tough pill to swallow. 656 00:26:01,143 --> 00:26:03,020 And then it just kind of... 657 00:26:04,188 --> 00:26:05,606 ...it kind of deflated. 658 00:26:07,275 --> 00:26:08,859 [Bob] Frank can be moody. 659 00:26:09,318 --> 00:26:10,653 We would come to a gig, and it was like, 660 00:26:10,736 --> 00:26:12,697 "Hey, Frank, how you doing?" He was like, 661 00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:13,656 he wouldn't even say anything. 662 00:26:13,739 --> 00:26:15,825 Yeah, we had some tense moments. 663 00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:17,410 It got a little out of hand, and I think 664 00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:19,120 maybe the competition with his brother 665 00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:21,622 maybe brought out some bad things. 666 00:26:21,706 --> 00:26:24,458 Uh, and it just-- I just didn't want to take it 667 00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:25,835 anymore, and I was a little fed up. 668 00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:28,754 I regret breaking up Valentine, 669 00:26:28,838 --> 00:26:30,339 because I think we could've gotten past it. 670 00:26:30,423 --> 00:26:31,966 We were really a good band. 671 00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:34,343 We were really tight, and we were friends. 672 00:26:34,427 --> 00:26:36,846 I just couldn't take the moodiness anymore. 673 00:26:36,929 --> 00:26:38,556 And they tried to get me back to reform the band, 674 00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:41,309 and I just said no, so. 675 00:26:41,392 --> 00:26:42,518 But I do regret it. 676 00:26:43,602 --> 00:26:45,479 [Bill Ring] It would be a nice thing to be able to put 677 00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:48,107 a Valentine reunion together, if we could make it happen. 678 00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:50,359 Somehow bring Jody back, that would be the best. 679 00:26:52,028 --> 00:26:55,031 [somber music] 680 00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:57,533 Jody, our bass player, um, 681 00:26:58,451 --> 00:27:00,369 unfortunately, just recently passed. 682 00:27:00,453 --> 00:27:02,705 Amazing guy, amazing bass player. 683 00:27:03,164 --> 00:27:04,707 Uh, him and I were very, very tight. 684 00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:06,667 We played a lot of gigs together. 685 00:27:06,751 --> 00:27:09,962 [Robin] He had a service in Pennsylvania. 686 00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,547 Frank had another commitment. 687 00:27:12,256 --> 00:27:15,885 And I thought that that would be the moment where we would reconnect. 688 00:27:15,968 --> 00:27:17,928 [Bill Ring] I know that there was an issue 689 00:27:18,012 --> 00:27:20,222 that surfaced with Robin. 690 00:27:20,306 --> 00:27:21,640 Would it be nice for the three of us 691 00:27:21,724 --> 00:27:23,267 to be able to get together again? 692 00:27:23,351 --> 00:27:25,394 Absolutely, and I would hope we could bury 693 00:27:25,478 --> 00:27:27,313 whatever hatchet, uh, 694 00:27:27,938 --> 00:27:29,857 Frank feels needs to be buried. 695 00:27:30,608 --> 00:27:31,734 [Robin] We parted company. 696 00:27:31,817 --> 00:27:34,153 It wasn't on the best of terms. 697 00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:36,030 But, um, I love the guy. 698 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:37,740 I really miss him, 699 00:27:38,407 --> 00:27:40,409 and I miss his humor. 700 00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:43,954 I miss just being with him as a friend. 701 00:27:44,038 --> 00:27:46,207 [somber music continues] 702 00:27:46,290 --> 00:27:47,375 [Frank] Oh, man. 703 00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:53,255 I haven't seen these guitars... in almost 40 years. 704 00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:55,424 This is just kind of weird. 705 00:27:56,467 --> 00:27:57,760 I don't know how I'm going to feel. 706 00:27:58,803 --> 00:28:02,431 But I know, like when Jody died, 707 00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:05,267 I didn't want to see these guitars that, 708 00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:08,604 from the guy that stood on my left side for almost, 709 00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:10,981 off and on, 20-some years, 710 00:28:11,732 --> 00:28:15,403 go to some like wedding band, you know? 711 00:28:15,486 --> 00:28:16,779 Oh, my God. 712 00:28:18,489 --> 00:28:19,532 -Wow. -[knife clatters] 713 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:21,617 Look at this. 714 00:28:22,785 --> 00:28:25,538 -Look at this, man. -[guitar case clatters] 715 00:28:25,621 --> 00:28:26,622 Look at this case. 716 00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:27,957 All the names on it. 717 00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:29,959 All our friends. 718 00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:32,378 [Frank exhales loudly] 719 00:28:32,461 --> 00:28:33,462 [guitar case clatters] 720 00:28:33,546 --> 00:28:35,172 Oh, God, look at this. 721 00:28:36,465 --> 00:28:39,218 That's a 1963 Höfner Beatle Bass. 722 00:28:39,927 --> 00:28:42,221 Wow! Look at this. 723 00:28:43,556 --> 00:28:45,724 Man, this is the bass he used 724 00:28:45,808 --> 00:28:48,185 when we did our first album for RCA. 725 00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:50,146 This reminds me of, you know, my youth. 726 00:28:52,773 --> 00:28:53,649 [Frank] Oh, my God. 727 00:28:54,525 --> 00:28:56,527 Hey, Bill. How you doing, man? 728 00:28:57,153 --> 00:28:58,529 Oh, my God, look at this guy. 729 00:28:58,612 --> 00:29:00,239 -Are you crazy? -[Frank] Hey, Robin. 730 00:29:00,322 --> 00:29:01,740 -[Robin laughs] -How are you, man? 731 00:29:01,824 --> 00:29:03,200 How you doing, man? 732 00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:07,496 I know the last time I saw you these weren't in CD, 733 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:10,249 -so there you go, and this. -[Robin laughs] 734 00:29:10,332 --> 00:29:11,667 -Oh, man. -Oh, my God. 735 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:12,710 Geez. 736 00:29:12,793 --> 00:29:14,670 This has been a long time, man. 737 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:16,964 This was the team, this is... [stutters] 738 00:29:17,047 --> 00:29:20,009 ...this is the team here, and we're going to have a lot of fun, man, tonight. 739 00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:22,136 This bass guitar belonged to 740 00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:24,221 one of my best friends. He just died. 741 00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:26,307 I wanted to honor with him tonight, 742 00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,851 Hussein, playing Jody's bass. 743 00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:30,060 "I'll Take You Back." 744 00:29:30,144 --> 00:29:32,396 [audience applauds] 745 00:29:33,606 --> 00:29:35,191 ♪ Take you back ♪ 746 00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:36,775 ♪ Do do do do ♪ 747 00:29:36,859 --> 00:29:39,612 ♪ Take you back ♪ 748 00:29:39,695 --> 00:29:41,113 -[man] One, two, three. -♪ Take you back ♪ 749 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:43,199 ♪ Do do do do ♪ 750 00:29:43,282 --> 00:29:45,409 ♪ Take you back ♪ 751 00:29:45,493 --> 00:29:47,411 ♪ Well I've been told by... ♪ 752 00:29:47,495 --> 00:29:50,206 [gentle instrumental music] 753 00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:51,957 [Frank] I think after I did Rocky, I might have had 754 00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:53,792 maybe had $1,000 saved, 755 00:29:53,876 --> 00:29:56,545 and I was back to square one with nothing, no money. 756 00:29:56,629 --> 00:29:59,089 So I ended up playing at these little clubs 757 00:29:59,173 --> 00:30:01,008 by myself with an acoustic guitar. 758 00:30:01,091 --> 00:30:02,510 I mean, motor inns. 759 00:30:02,593 --> 00:30:04,261 And the worst thing is the signs. 760 00:30:04,345 --> 00:30:07,014 Like in chalk, "Frank Stallone, Rocky's brother, 761 00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:08,516 Straight from Rocky." 762 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,100 And I made $30 a night. 763 00:30:10,184 --> 00:30:12,186 It wasn't so much being the folk singer, 764 00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:14,396 it was the thing like, "Rocky's brother, 765 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,273 well, what is he doing playing here? 766 00:30:16,357 --> 00:30:18,776 Shouldn't he be in California, and shouldn't he be driving 767 00:30:18,859 --> 00:30:21,362 a new car, or a Vette, or something cool?" 768 00:30:21,445 --> 00:30:22,655 -No. -[car engine revs] 769 00:30:22,738 --> 00:30:24,281 And in between that, I came out, 770 00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:26,575 and I sang in Paradise Alley, 771 00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:28,202 but also, I did Rocky II. 772 00:30:30,162 --> 00:30:34,083 [Talia] Frank was working with his trio, 773 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:36,669 and it was rather beautiful. 774 00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:39,922 Sort of like a, a chorus of musicians 775 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:43,008 that sort of sang the love song of Adrian 776 00:30:43,092 --> 00:30:45,219 and Rocky along the way, 777 00:30:45,719 --> 00:30:47,304 and it... [stutters] 778 00:30:47,388 --> 00:30:51,141 ...it gave the piece a kind of tone, a fairytale tone. 779 00:30:51,850 --> 00:30:54,311 And I would look over at Frank, and he was... 780 00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:59,525 First of all, he's very handsome, and very gifted. 781 00:30:59,608 --> 00:31:01,402 And I would look over at him, and it was 782 00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:03,571 always a pure moment with Frank, 783 00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:07,866 because Frank clearly was a real musician. 784 00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:11,161 ♪ There are two kinds of love ♪ 785 00:31:11,245 --> 00:31:13,497 ♪ That you oughta know ♪ 786 00:31:13,581 --> 00:31:17,293 ♪ There are two kinds of love ♪ 787 00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:18,711 [Burt] He flipped a quarter. 788 00:31:18,794 --> 00:31:20,296 He made that little song 789 00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:22,131 very warm, very great. 790 00:31:22,673 --> 00:31:24,008 It was wonderful. 791 00:31:24,091 --> 00:31:25,718 He contributes a lot, you know? 792 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:29,138 He's... he's good to have around. 793 00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:31,473 [gentle instrumental music] 794 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:34,935 [punching bag thuds] 795 00:31:36,645 --> 00:31:39,023 Frank, unbeknownst to a lot of people, 796 00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:40,441 has a huge boxing background. 797 00:31:40,524 --> 00:31:42,359 [inspiring instrumental music] 798 00:31:42,943 --> 00:31:46,697 [Joe] Frank just took to it, and developed as a fighter. 799 00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:49,825 He had a good corner, had a terrific left hook. 800 00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,870 He was very faithful to his training. No smoking or drinking. 801 00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:55,789 And had several great amateur fights 802 00:31:55,873 --> 00:31:59,126 against some very, very tough competition. 803 00:31:59,209 --> 00:32:00,878 [inspiring instrumental music continues] 804 00:32:00,961 --> 00:32:02,921 [crowd cheers] 805 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,764 [Chuck] When he was fighting also, he didn't have to wear headgear. 806 00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:13,891 And you know what? There is no difference between 807 00:32:13,974 --> 00:32:16,310 professional and amateur, 808 00:32:16,393 --> 00:32:18,187 only that professionals get paid. 809 00:32:18,646 --> 00:32:21,231 you still get punched in the face a dozen times. 810 00:32:21,315 --> 00:32:23,317 -[bell rings] -You're still taking the abuse. 811 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,902 -[crowd cheers] -[Joe] He was a contender. 812 00:32:24,985 --> 00:32:26,487 He's got the fighters eye, 813 00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:28,238 and you only get that if you were a fighter, 814 00:32:28,322 --> 00:32:30,574 if you've been in that ring more than once, 815 00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:32,409 and he was in there quite a few times. 816 00:32:33,911 --> 00:32:37,081 [Bruce] Frank is an extremely cerebral and intelligent man. 817 00:32:37,164 --> 00:32:38,832 I don't think there's any question you can throw 818 00:32:38,916 --> 00:32:41,210 at Frank Stallone about boxing that he can't answer. 819 00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:42,711 He's a plethora of knowledge. 820 00:32:42,795 --> 00:32:44,797 And what I love about being around Frank is, 821 00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:47,216 aside from the fact, and I love you Frank, 822 00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:48,509 but he will never stop talking, 823 00:32:48,592 --> 00:32:50,135 but everything he talks about 824 00:32:50,219 --> 00:32:51,220 make sense. 825 00:32:51,303 --> 00:32:53,013 He's full of information. 826 00:32:53,097 --> 00:32:55,349 [laughs] He, 827 00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:57,434 he's got a lot of stories to tell, 828 00:32:58,185 --> 00:32:59,603 and he's fun to listen to. 829 00:32:59,687 --> 00:33:02,064 He has the best memory. 830 00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:04,274 Um, sometimes Sly and Frank get into battles, 831 00:33:04,358 --> 00:33:06,402 but I always believed Frank, 832 00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:09,905 because he always comes up with the story that's correct, 833 00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,365 and I'm going with Frank. 834 00:33:11,448 --> 00:33:14,159 [Gene] Frank, as a boxing historian, 835 00:33:14,243 --> 00:33:17,287 this man knows more than anybody, 836 00:33:17,371 --> 00:33:19,707 plus he's got total recall. 837 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:25,379 I've got dementia, so I can't remember my losses, 838 00:33:25,462 --> 00:33:26,714 only my wins. 839 00:33:27,548 --> 00:33:32,302 Frank had that knowledge that savant every detail. 840 00:33:32,386 --> 00:33:35,514 One argument ended, "Well, this guy did this and this," 841 00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:38,225 and then Frank goes, "Well, I have all his press clippings. 842 00:33:38,308 --> 00:33:40,602 I have his trunks, his robe, and his gun." 843 00:33:40,686 --> 00:33:41,645 [Joe laughs] 844 00:33:41,729 --> 00:33:43,188 Frank's a very tough individual. 845 00:33:43,272 --> 00:33:44,857 I mean, he's a warrior in his own right. 846 00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:46,358 Even if it gets down to the fight he had 847 00:33:46,442 --> 00:33:47,776 with Geraldo Rivera on Howard Stern 848 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:49,361 years ago, that my brother, 849 00:33:49,445 --> 00:33:50,863 the legendary Michael Buffer, announced, 850 00:33:50,946 --> 00:33:52,281 they went in there, and they slugged it out 851 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:53,532 for those three two minute rounds. 852 00:33:53,615 --> 00:33:55,534 Back in 1992, I owned 853 00:33:55,617 --> 00:33:57,578 a boxing gym on 57th Street 854 00:33:57,661 --> 00:33:59,538 right here in Manhattan just behind me. 855 00:33:59,621 --> 00:34:01,415 It was called the Broadcast Boxing Gym. 856 00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:03,667 And so I was talking about it on The Howard Stern Show, 857 00:34:03,751 --> 00:34:05,627 and he said, "I'm going to promote a fight. 858 00:34:05,711 --> 00:34:07,254 You're going to be in this fight." 859 00:34:07,337 --> 00:34:09,798 So it turned out that he had Frank Stallone lined up. 860 00:34:09,882 --> 00:34:11,884 I mean, Frank Stallone, he's a younger, 861 00:34:11,967 --> 00:34:13,469 far better fighter than me, all right? 862 00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:15,137 Frank was semi-pro. 863 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:17,556 I was just a flailer in my own gym. 864 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,851 In the first round, he hit me with some of those shots. 865 00:34:20,934 --> 00:34:23,061 They felt like he was hitting me with a baseball bat. 866 00:34:23,145 --> 00:34:25,063 I remember a couple of times, 867 00:34:25,147 --> 00:34:27,065 that I really was knocked out 868 00:34:27,149 --> 00:34:29,193 -on my feet. -[Bas] When you see the boxing match, 869 00:34:29,276 --> 00:34:30,819 it's actually a really good boxing match. 870 00:34:30,903 --> 00:34:32,362 These guys were really going at it. 871 00:34:32,446 --> 00:34:34,072 There's no losing. You can't lose, 872 00:34:34,156 --> 00:34:36,033 because, you know, it's the name. It's the Stallone name, 873 00:34:36,116 --> 00:34:37,785 so he better be good in boxing. 874 00:34:37,868 --> 00:34:40,204 But he beat Geraldo, and to do that under pressure 875 00:34:40,287 --> 00:34:41,747 for a charity event 876 00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:43,332 shows you what kind of guy he is. 877 00:34:43,415 --> 00:34:45,417 Frank Stallone, a real man, 878 00:34:45,501 --> 00:34:48,587 a real man, a real fighter, and a, and a great guy. 879 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:51,590 [dramatic instrumental music] 880 00:34:53,842 --> 00:34:57,513 [somber instrumental music] 881 00:34:58,347 --> 00:35:00,432 [Frank] I was getting really depressed, 882 00:35:00,516 --> 00:35:02,601 and I had to get some psychotherapy, 883 00:35:02,684 --> 00:35:04,102 and my brother paid for it. 884 00:35:04,728 --> 00:35:06,647 He says, you know, he says, "He's my only brother. 885 00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:07,898 He's just going through something." He knew 886 00:35:07,981 --> 00:35:09,358 I suffered from panic attacks, 887 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,109 and he took care of it for me, 888 00:35:11,193 --> 00:35:12,861 and it helped. 889 00:35:12,945 --> 00:35:14,947 And then he said, "Just come to California." 890 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,366 I said, "Really?" He goes, "Yeah, just come to California." 891 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:18,867 I said, "Just like that?" He goes, "Yeah." 892 00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:22,246 My hero was Harry Nilsson, the singer. 893 00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:25,874 Aerial Ballet, Pandemonium Shadow Show, loved him. 894 00:35:25,958 --> 00:35:28,001 And Sly, when I moved to Bel Air, he goes, "Hey, 895 00:35:28,085 --> 00:35:29,753 you know who lives next door?" I said, "Who's that?" 896 00:35:29,837 --> 00:35:31,713 He goes, "Harry Nilsson." I go, "What?" 897 00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:35,008 He ended up producing me, and he never produced anybody before, 898 00:35:35,092 --> 00:35:36,635 just me. So we're in the studio, 899 00:35:36,718 --> 00:35:38,637 and this is the who's who of recording is in there. 900 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,682 It's Harry Nilsson, producer, and Van Dyke Parks, 901 00:35:41,765 --> 00:35:43,684 Klaus Voormann, he played with The Beatles, 902 00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:46,395 Freddy Tackett, all the best musicians were there, 903 00:35:46,478 --> 00:35:49,857 and all of a sudden, the talkback goes, "John's dead." 904 00:35:50,482 --> 00:35:51,650 I said, "John who?" 905 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:53,360 [clicks tongue] "Lennon." 906 00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:55,404 [newsreader] Former Beatle, John Lennon, 907 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:56,488 is dead. 908 00:35:57,114 --> 00:35:59,950 Lennon died in a hospital shortly after being shot 909 00:36:00,033 --> 00:36:02,536 outside his New York apartment tonight. 910 00:36:02,619 --> 00:36:04,162 [Frank] Harry Nilsson was John's best friend, 911 00:36:04,246 --> 00:36:05,914 and they had had a falling out. 912 00:36:05,998 --> 00:36:08,458 Harry was just going to New York in about a week and a half 913 00:36:08,542 --> 00:36:12,504 to kind of reconcile their friendship, so this was really bad. 914 00:36:12,588 --> 00:36:14,256 I'm trying to do a record, you know? 915 00:36:14,339 --> 00:36:16,466 And people were like... [with deep voice] "Cry it out, man," 916 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,218 like blow coming out of their nose, 917 00:36:18,302 --> 00:36:19,887 and I didn't do that stuff, so I'm sitting 918 00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:22,014 there like-- I'm there, "Oh, my God, 919 00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,807 the Scotti Brothers are going to kill me," 920 00:36:24,433 --> 00:36:26,226 you know, because I'm supposed to finish this record. 921 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:29,730 The next day, we get called into Scotti Brothers. 922 00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:36,320 We play what we have, and it was dead silence, like this. 923 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,197 Are you kidding me? 924 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,742 It was unlistenable. 925 00:36:41,825 --> 00:36:45,162 And Harry's sitting there sweating with sunglasses on, 926 00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:47,706 like recovering from the night before. 927 00:36:47,789 --> 00:36:49,333 To be with Harry Nilsson 928 00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:52,836 when John Lennon was killed was really heavy. 929 00:36:54,046 --> 00:36:56,548 We were good friends, and, uh, when he passed, 930 00:36:56,632 --> 00:36:59,217 it was very, uh, very sad. 931 00:36:59,801 --> 00:37:02,095 He abused himself, but he was a wonderful guy. 932 00:37:02,179 --> 00:37:03,138 Just a great artist. 933 00:37:04,348 --> 00:37:06,058 -[engines whirring] -[horns honking] 934 00:37:06,141 --> 00:37:07,351 [man] Taxi![whistles] 935 00:37:08,185 --> 00:37:10,312 [Frank] I don't find out from my brother, but I find out 936 00:37:10,395 --> 00:37:12,856 that he's directing the sequel to Saturday Night Fever. 937 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,443 And I went, "Whoa." I mean, you have to understand, 938 00:37:16,526 --> 00:37:19,321 Saturday Night Fever was the biggest musical in history, 939 00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:21,448 as far as album sales, huge. 940 00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:23,492 And a great movie, fantastic. 941 00:37:23,575 --> 00:37:26,411 There's no way I got a shot in this, not even close. 942 00:37:26,495 --> 00:37:28,080 So I drive to Paramount, 943 00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:29,957 and I think they didn't let me on the lot, or something. 944 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,708 My car was shitty. I don't know what it was. 945 00:37:31,792 --> 00:37:34,002 So I said, you know, "I'm Frank Stallone, Sly's brother." 946 00:37:34,086 --> 00:37:35,837 "Yeah, so what?" I think I might've gone 947 00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:38,423 to a phone booth or called, and they let me in. 948 00:37:38,507 --> 00:37:40,550 So anyway, I go in there, and I said, "Sly, man, 949 00:37:40,634 --> 00:37:43,428 do you think there's like a remote chance 950 00:37:43,512 --> 00:37:45,764 I could get like a song in the movie?" 951 00:37:45,847 --> 00:37:47,474 [with deep voice] "Yeah, I don't think so." I said, 952 00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:48,892 "Okay, that's all I want to know." 953 00:37:48,976 --> 00:37:50,894 I said, "But just like an instrumental." 954 00:37:50,978 --> 00:37:52,270 I'm figuring if I just get like 955 00:37:52,354 --> 00:37:54,398 a 15 second thing of, you know... 956 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:56,358 [hums] like John 957 00:37:56,441 --> 00:37:58,276 going to the bathroom, and taking a whiz or something. 958 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,695 You know, at least I can get some royalties, 959 00:37:59,778 --> 00:38:01,405 and I'll make some money. My brother 960 00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:03,991 plays me the Bee Gees' new songs, 961 00:38:04,074 --> 00:38:06,118 but it's just kind of the acoustic guitar, 962 00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:09,788 real bare-bones, and I'm there, "Oh, man, I'm screwed," 963 00:38:09,871 --> 00:38:11,206 because they're great. I mean, 964 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:12,666 the Bee Gees are fantastic. 965 00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:14,668 So he patronizes me, and he says, "Ew, 966 00:38:14,751 --> 00:38:16,545 just write some stuff. Why don't you and the guys 967 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:18,755 write some stuff?" I said, "All right, we'll write some stuff." 968 00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:21,466 And every few weeks, I would pull up to the studio 969 00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:23,969 with a cassette. All my songs are getting turned down, 970 00:38:24,052 --> 00:38:25,846 but I'm working, man. I have, uh, I have 971 00:38:25,929 --> 00:38:28,724 a train of consciousness, and I'm working my ass off. 972 00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:31,560 I get a call. [with deep voice] "Hey, Brother, it's Sly." 973 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:33,270 I said, "Okay, I know he wants something." 974 00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:35,105 He goes, "Yeah, remember those songs you wrote?" 975 00:38:35,188 --> 00:38:36,523 I go, "Yeah, of course I do. 976 00:38:36,606 --> 00:38:37,607 You mean the ones you turned down?" 977 00:38:37,691 --> 00:38:38,817 Of course I remember them. 978 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:39,943 No, I forgot about them. 979 00:38:40,610 --> 00:38:43,822 I just part my heart and soul into like 12, 13 songs. 980 00:38:43,905 --> 00:38:45,741 He goes, "Yeah, we've got a problem. 981 00:38:46,283 --> 00:38:48,201 The Bee Gees walked off the movie." 982 00:38:48,285 --> 00:38:50,996 Something went down, and they kind of walked off. 983 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,373 [newsreader] Only part of the soundtrack for Staying Alive 984 00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:55,042 was created by the Bee Gees, 985 00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:56,918 but originally, the brothers Gibb 986 00:38:57,002 --> 00:38:59,254 didn't even want to be involved in the sequel. 987 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:02,007 We thought that it's been done, and let's leave, 988 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:05,135 let's leave our music out of it this time, and you get somebody else to do it. 989 00:39:05,218 --> 00:39:07,804 [newsreader] But after some heavy contract negotiations, 990 00:39:07,888 --> 00:39:10,640 the Bee Gees agreed to create part of the music for the movie. 991 00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:12,726 [Sylvester] At that time, they were musical gods, 992 00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:15,312 but they were coming up with, with okay songs, 993 00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:18,482 but they had done such an amazing job on the first one 994 00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:22,027 that the songs were not even as magnificent, 995 00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:25,072 or as accomplished, as they were in the first album. 996 00:39:25,155 --> 00:39:27,741 [Frank with deep voice] So he goes, "Listen, bring those cassettes, 997 00:39:27,824 --> 00:39:29,493 you know, with the songs." So we go, 998 00:39:29,576 --> 00:39:31,828 and John's renting a house out here, 999 00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:35,207 and, uh, we're having lunch, and they're talking, 1000 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:37,459 and, you know, it's like Sly's talking to John. 1001 00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,212 They're talking business at the table having lunch. 1002 00:39:40,295 --> 00:39:42,005 And I'm kind of... 1003 00:39:42,714 --> 00:39:44,841 ...laughing to myself, because it's so ridiculous. 1004 00:39:44,925 --> 00:39:48,303 It's like Barbarino from Welcome Back, Kotter meets Rocky. 1005 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:51,264 [imitating John] "I swear to God, they're proud. The Bee Gees... [mumbles]" 1006 00:39:51,348 --> 00:39:54,601 [imitating Sylvester] "Absolutely, we've got a big problem. The Bee Gees..." 1007 00:39:54,684 --> 00:39:56,019 [imitating John] "Yeah, I just really, yeah." 1008 00:39:56,103 --> 00:39:57,979 And John's got these big teeth, you know? 1009 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,982 And he's like, it's the smile. [imitates John] 1010 00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:03,318 Just like Barbarino. He puts the tape on. 1011 00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,403 So John goes... [mumbling] "Well, who is that?" 1012 00:40:05,487 --> 00:40:07,197 And Sly goes, "It's Frank." 1013 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,616 And John, John goes like, "Frank?" 1014 00:40:09,699 --> 00:40:12,702 He couldn't even imagine that came out of me, 1015 00:40:12,786 --> 00:40:14,621 like I was Fredo in Godfather II, 1016 00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:16,998 "Hey, Mike, I'm your older brother. I can do things!" 1017 00:40:17,582 --> 00:40:19,501 [Sylvester] He ended up writing the majority of the songs, 1018 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:21,628 and, you know, I caught hell for it, but I said, 1019 00:40:21,711 --> 00:40:23,505 "Hey, it sounds good to me, guys." 1020 00:40:23,588 --> 00:40:27,259 The opening to the movie, they put "Far From Over." 1021 00:40:27,342 --> 00:40:30,303 [upbeat rock music] 1022 00:40:41,982 --> 00:40:43,150 ♪ This is the end ♪ 1023 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,864 ♪ You made your choice and now my chance is over ♪ 1024 00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:52,450 [Frank] Ever week or something, they start adding another song in. 1025 00:40:52,534 --> 00:40:54,828 So by the end, there's like nine songs in the movie, 1026 00:40:55,412 --> 00:40:58,790 but there's some jealousy going on, you know, on the set, 1027 00:40:58,874 --> 00:41:02,377 because they think I'm getting, you know, favored attention. 1028 00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:04,379 How come he's staring at you like that? 1029 00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:06,840 [Frank] Maybe, in a way, but I worked my ass off on this. 1030 00:41:06,923 --> 00:41:08,717 No one wrote these songs for me. I wrote them. 1031 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,137 Nobody sat in the studio with no air conditioning 1032 00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:14,264 sweating until the wee hours of the night 1033 00:41:14,347 --> 00:41:16,474 to try to get everything right with these great musicians 1034 00:41:16,558 --> 00:41:19,936 I was working with, and I was never so busy in my life. 1035 00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:22,856 I never felt... so good about it, 1036 00:41:22,939 --> 00:41:25,775 because I've spent so many years feeling so bad about myself, 1037 00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:28,403 I never felt so good about myself. 1038 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:30,530 It was something I was born to do, you know, 1039 00:41:30,614 --> 00:41:32,824 and I was able, for once in my life, 1040 00:41:32,908 --> 00:41:34,743 to be able to show people what I could do, 1041 00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,287 because before, it was always, you know, a struggle, 1042 00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:39,456 and then when Rocky came out, it was Rocky's brother. 1043 00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:41,833 So no one ever took me like kind of serious. I did. 1044 00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:46,171 ♪ Waking up, you're still sleeping by my side ♪ 1045 00:41:46,254 --> 00:41:48,465 That was the greatest time, watching my music, 1046 00:41:48,548 --> 00:41:50,842 watching like these choreographers 1047 00:41:50,926 --> 00:41:52,594 choreographing dance to my music. 1048 00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,180 So it was pretty awesome to be writing the songs, 1049 00:41:55,263 --> 00:41:58,225 and having like 150 dancing hot chicks at the set. 1050 00:41:58,934 --> 00:42:02,103 That was like putting the fox in the henhouse on that one. 1051 00:42:02,187 --> 00:42:06,524 They were paying me $3,500, $4,000 for a song. 1052 00:42:07,108 --> 00:42:09,027 I'd never seen this kind of money, never. 1053 00:42:09,110 --> 00:42:10,403 Little did I know, 1054 00:42:10,487 --> 00:42:12,239 they were also keeping my publishing, 1055 00:42:12,322 --> 00:42:14,032 which would've made me a multi-millionaire. 1056 00:42:14,115 --> 00:42:15,909 But I'm not kicking. It was great. 1057 00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:17,994 If it really wasn't for John and Sly, 1058 00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:19,246 I wouldn't have gotten the songs in. 1059 00:42:19,329 --> 00:42:20,288 ♪ This is the end ♪ 1060 00:42:22,499 --> 00:42:25,961 ♪ You made your choice and now my chance is over ♪ 1061 00:42:27,796 --> 00:42:29,297 ♪ I thought I was in ♪ 1062 00:42:31,341 --> 00:42:32,926 -♪ You put me... ♪ -[Frank] I had a date one night, 1063 00:42:33,009 --> 00:42:35,595 and what comes on the radio? "Far From Over." 1064 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,722 The first I ever heard it, sitting with this gal, 1065 00:42:37,806 --> 00:42:41,643 who was a big shot in the music business, and she says, 1066 00:42:41,726 --> 00:42:43,270 "So are you ready?" I go, "What do you mean?" 1067 00:42:44,479 --> 00:42:45,355 "That's a hit record. 1068 00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:48,108 Are you ready?" I said, "I guess." 1069 00:42:48,191 --> 00:42:50,568 And I'll never forget at the premiere, 1070 00:42:50,652 --> 00:42:52,821 I was like this big shot, man. I mean, you look at the end, 1071 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,532 it's Frank Stallone, Frank Stallone, Frank Stallone, Frank Stallone. 1072 00:42:55,615 --> 00:42:57,534 Rocky was great because the whole thing was great, 1073 00:42:57,617 --> 00:43:00,245 and I was so happy for my brother, but this was for me. 1074 00:43:00,328 --> 00:43:01,663 This is something that I did. 1075 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:03,957 This is the chance of a lifetime. 1076 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,334 I was nominated for a Grammy and Golden Globe 1077 00:43:06,418 --> 00:43:09,004 for best soundtrack and for best song. 1078 00:43:09,087 --> 00:43:11,298 I lost. I said, "Okay, fine, 1079 00:43:11,381 --> 00:43:13,174 at least I'm nominated. I feel great." 1080 00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:14,968 Are you kidding? Coming from playing 1081 00:43:15,051 --> 00:43:17,262 like at the Beef & Ale to being nominated 1082 00:43:17,345 --> 00:43:19,264 for a Grammy and Golden Globe. I actually 1083 00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:20,640 opened the Golden Globes. 1084 00:43:20,724 --> 00:43:22,350 I performed. I was the first act. 1085 00:43:23,351 --> 00:43:24,811 And I get a call from my brother. 1086 00:43:24,894 --> 00:43:26,146 That was the day they were announcing 1087 00:43:26,229 --> 00:43:28,148 the Academy Award nominations, 1088 00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:31,276 and now we break out the champagne, 1089 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,069 the nominations are coming in, 1090 00:43:33,153 --> 00:43:34,612 and then he said, "Frank, it's your brother." I go, 1091 00:43:34,696 --> 00:43:36,364 "Oh, Christ, who, who died?" 1092 00:43:36,448 --> 00:43:38,450 [with deep voice] "Uh, you didn't get your nomination." 1093 00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:40,035 I go, "What? 1094 00:43:40,702 --> 00:43:42,162 I didn't get my nomination? 1095 00:43:42,245 --> 00:43:44,497 Are you kidding me? This is insane!" 1096 00:43:44,581 --> 00:43:47,542 And now I'm pissed, because now I know that's bullshit, 1097 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:50,086 and that's unfair, because it was a number one record. 1098 00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:51,963 I'm above Thriller. 1099 00:43:52,047 --> 00:43:55,383 I'm above Billy Joel's album. I'm above Synchronicity. 1100 00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:57,969 Not for a long time, but at one point, I was there. 1101 00:43:58,053 --> 00:44:00,221 Here's my first break, and I got screwed, 1102 00:44:00,305 --> 00:44:01,598 and then I realized at that point, 1103 00:44:01,681 --> 00:44:03,433 that's insider Hollywood bullshit. 1104 00:44:04,017 --> 00:44:05,810 I wasn't expecting to win, 1105 00:44:05,894 --> 00:44:08,021 but I would've loved to have had that nomination. 1106 00:44:08,104 --> 00:44:09,939 You have to be thick skinned. 1107 00:44:10,023 --> 00:44:11,566 You have to have determination. 1108 00:44:11,649 --> 00:44:13,568 You have to be able to swallow it. 1109 00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:15,862 You know, not that you have to take shit and eat shit, 1110 00:44:15,945 --> 00:44:18,198 but you have to, you have to be able to say, 1111 00:44:18,281 --> 00:44:19,741 "You know what? Okay, fuck them." 1112 00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:23,745 So that Academy Award thing really 1113 00:44:23,828 --> 00:44:26,081 ripped the heart out of me, and I suffered 1114 00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:28,416 with it for a while, but you gather yourself, 1115 00:44:28,917 --> 00:44:31,044 and I gathered myself. I said, "I'll be back. I'm not dead." 1116 00:44:31,127 --> 00:44:33,004 I still-- You know, as long as I can still play guitar 1117 00:44:33,088 --> 00:44:35,173 and write a song, I'm in, I'm in the game. 1118 00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:39,636 ♪ Save me darling ♪ 1119 00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:44,140 ♪ I am down but I am far from over ♪ 1120 00:44:46,351 --> 00:44:48,478 ♪ Give me something ♪ 1121 00:44:49,104 --> 00:44:50,980 ♪ I need it all because I am... ♪ 1122 00:44:51,064 --> 00:44:52,857 What's happening in your life now? 1123 00:44:52,941 --> 00:44:54,526 Well, it's good. 1124 00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:56,444 Well, the record is doing well. [sighs] 1125 00:44:56,528 --> 00:44:58,029 I have a great band, and we're writing, 1126 00:44:58,113 --> 00:44:59,656 and I'll be starting a solo album in about... 1127 00:44:59,739 --> 00:45:01,699 [inhales] November or October. 1128 00:45:01,783 --> 00:45:03,701 I had a big year, this should be no problem 1129 00:45:03,785 --> 00:45:05,870 getting an album due. My manager, 1130 00:45:05,954 --> 00:45:07,705 he was saying too, you know, "Yeah, we needed a solo album. 1131 00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:10,125 Let's follow up with that." He just comes back 1132 00:45:10,208 --> 00:45:12,210 with one deal. I said, "That's it?" 1133 00:45:12,293 --> 00:45:14,546 In those days, everything was a three album deal. 1134 00:45:14,629 --> 00:45:17,549 [mumbling] I don't know, shit. I said, "Well, whatever." 1135 00:45:17,632 --> 00:45:19,759 [Duff] Back then, this is the '80s, a different time. 1136 00:45:19,843 --> 00:45:21,594 This is when albums sold. 1137 00:45:21,678 --> 00:45:23,638 This better have a couple singles on it 1138 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:26,433 to go to radio, and get in the top 20, or you're done. 1139 00:45:26,516 --> 00:45:28,810 That put a lot of pressure, I would think, 1140 00:45:28,893 --> 00:45:31,646 on that one album. This thing has got to be a smash. 1141 00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:33,898 [Frank] It was because of Russ Regan we got on. 1142 00:45:33,982 --> 00:45:36,651 Russ Regan's like a legend in this business. 1143 00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:38,820 You know, he's one of the great A&R guys. 1144 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,948 I had first met Frank in 1983 1145 00:45:42,532 --> 00:45:44,826 when I was working for PolyGram Records. 1146 00:45:44,909 --> 00:45:47,996 He had a few demos he had made, and I listened to them, 1147 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:49,747 and I said, "You're pretty good, kid." 1148 00:45:49,831 --> 00:45:51,124 He said, "You've made superstars." 1149 00:45:51,207 --> 00:45:53,001 He said, "Why don't you make me a star?" 1150 00:45:53,084 --> 00:45:55,253 So I signed him to PolyGram Records. 1151 00:45:55,336 --> 00:45:57,755 You know, I signed Neil Diamond. He's a great writer. 1152 00:45:57,839 --> 00:45:59,757 I signed Elton John. He's a great writer. 1153 00:45:59,841 --> 00:46:01,759 Barry White, a great writer. 1154 00:46:01,843 --> 00:46:03,261 Alan Parsons is a great writer. 1155 00:46:03,344 --> 00:46:04,929 Brian Wilson, great writer. 1156 00:46:05,013 --> 00:46:06,598 That's one of the things, by the way, 1157 00:46:06,681 --> 00:46:08,766 that I liked about Frank, that he was a writer. 1158 00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:10,560 That influenced me a lot 1159 00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:13,271 on his signing to the PolyGram Records. 1160 00:46:13,354 --> 00:46:14,814 He did a great job. 1161 00:46:14,898 --> 00:46:17,400 He was always wonderful to work with. 1162 00:46:17,484 --> 00:46:19,861 Had a great personality. A very charismatic 1163 00:46:19,944 --> 00:46:21,988 character, and hard not to like. 1164 00:46:22,572 --> 00:46:25,033 [Frank] You know, I'm a young guy. You know, I'm on every TV show. 1165 00:46:25,116 --> 00:46:27,202 We've got more of music's best coming your way, 1166 00:46:27,285 --> 00:46:28,995 including Frank Stallone. 1167 00:46:29,078 --> 00:46:30,788 ♪ Oh, darling ♪ 1168 00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:34,250 ♪ I wish you were lying ♪ 1169 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:37,587 ♪ When you said that you're leaving me, darling ♪ 1170 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:39,339 [Frank] We did David Letterman, 1171 00:46:39,422 --> 00:46:41,466 which I didn't get to sing on, which was weird. 1172 00:46:41,549 --> 00:46:43,301 [audience applauds] 1173 00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:47,805 -Oh, sorry. Just leave that alone. You all right? -I'm fine. 1174 00:46:47,889 --> 00:46:50,475 Good to see you. Thanks for being here. Congratulations on the success 1175 00:46:50,558 --> 00:46:52,101 -of the album. And the picture. -On the picture. Yeah. 1176 00:46:52,185 --> 00:46:53,186 -That's a good looking picture. -Thanks. 1177 00:46:53,269 --> 00:46:54,187 [Frank] I was on a date 1178 00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:55,230 with some girl I'd met, 1179 00:46:55,313 --> 00:46:56,439 and there's a giant picture 1180 00:46:56,523 --> 00:46:57,982 of my album cover, 1181 00:46:58,066 --> 00:46:59,859 like ten feet by ten feet 1182 00:46:59,943 --> 00:47:01,444 on Tower Records on Sunset. 1183 00:47:01,528 --> 00:47:02,987 Okay, the kids in. 1184 00:47:03,071 --> 00:47:04,781 [dramatic instrumental music] 1185 00:47:04,864 --> 00:47:05,949 The album didn't do well. 1186 00:47:06,616 --> 00:47:07,867 Things just didn't work, you know? 1187 00:47:07,951 --> 00:47:09,285 I mean, the album died. 1188 00:47:09,369 --> 00:47:11,663 You know, I've waited almost 20-something years 1189 00:47:11,746 --> 00:47:13,581 to have my first solo album. 1190 00:47:13,665 --> 00:47:16,543 It's like, "Wow, I-- please don't make me a one-hit wonder." 1191 00:47:16,626 --> 00:47:18,711 Oh, God, you know? 1192 00:47:18,795 --> 00:47:20,922 I mean, I know it's easier than having a full career 1193 00:47:21,005 --> 00:47:24,259 being a one-hit wonder, but I wanted to have a full career. 1194 00:47:24,342 --> 00:47:27,262 It takes a team to make a star. 1195 00:47:27,804 --> 00:47:30,056 A star just doesn't happen by accident. 1196 00:47:30,139 --> 00:47:32,267 He never had the team he should've had, 1197 00:47:32,350 --> 00:47:33,977 even when he signed to me. 1198 00:47:34,060 --> 00:47:36,521 I just don't know if my management team 1199 00:47:36,604 --> 00:47:38,690 was that involved, 1200 00:47:38,773 --> 00:47:41,609 or had the capability to move me. 1201 00:47:41,693 --> 00:47:43,611 [Russ] "Far From Over" should've been played up 1202 00:47:43,695 --> 00:47:45,280 much bigger than it was. You know, 1203 00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:49,284 you get a Grammy nomination, that's, that's incredible. 1204 00:47:49,367 --> 00:47:52,161 They just never did the PR on Frank Stallone 1205 00:47:52,245 --> 00:47:54,998 that he deserved and should've had. 1206 00:47:55,081 --> 00:47:56,124 [camera shutter clicks] 1207 00:47:59,085 --> 00:48:01,629 [Frank] I'm thinking, "Okay, I'm going to be making records. 1208 00:48:01,713 --> 00:48:03,965 I'm going to be writing with the greatest song writers. 1209 00:48:04,048 --> 00:48:06,384 I'm going to be doing what I was born to do." It did not turn out 1210 00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:08,803 that way. Everything was going good, and then, all of a sudden, 1211 00:48:08,886 --> 00:48:12,724 whoo, I said, "Oh, no, not again. 1212 00:48:12,807 --> 00:48:14,350 No, no, not again." 1213 00:48:14,434 --> 00:48:16,185 Then like I had come up a little bit, 1214 00:48:16,936 --> 00:48:19,147 a little good news, and then kind of even off, 1215 00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:22,191 and then, wham! Goes down. 1216 00:48:22,775 --> 00:48:25,361 And stays down there for a long time. 1217 00:48:26,154 --> 00:48:27,947 [Duff] After having a hit, he'd think, you know, 1218 00:48:28,031 --> 00:48:29,574 "I'll have a few more," 1219 00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:31,326 and it just didn't go that way for him. 1220 00:48:31,784 --> 00:48:34,037 If you're doing it expecting you're going to have 1221 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,956 a worldwide smash hit, or, uh, or you-- 1222 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,209 or that you're even going to make any money in music, 1223 00:48:40,293 --> 00:48:41,878 you're doing it for the wrong reason. 1224 00:48:41,961 --> 00:48:44,547 Frank, I'm sure, knew what he was getting himself into. 1225 00:48:44,631 --> 00:48:46,049 He just loved to play. 1226 00:48:46,966 --> 00:48:49,135 You've have to learn your craft, and the only way you learn 1227 00:48:49,218 --> 00:48:50,762 your craft is by making mistakes, 1228 00:48:50,845 --> 00:48:53,681 and you correct those mistakes. And I had learned it, 1229 00:48:54,265 --> 00:48:56,434 but again, I, I guess I didn't learn it enough. 1230 00:48:56,517 --> 00:48:59,187 ♪ Oh ♪ 1231 00:48:59,270 --> 00:49:01,064 ♪ Peace in our life ♪ 1232 00:49:01,856 --> 00:49:03,941 ♪ Remember the call, oh ♪ 1233 00:49:04,025 --> 00:49:06,486 [Frank] '80s and '90s was a tough time for me. 1234 00:49:07,070 --> 00:49:08,696 Thank God for my song writing. I was making 1235 00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:10,073 residuals, you know? 1236 00:49:10,156 --> 00:49:13,034 I wrote the theme to Rambo II. 1237 00:49:13,117 --> 00:49:15,411 ♪ We'll never fall ♪ 1238 00:49:15,495 --> 00:49:18,289 I figured I'd get healthy, so I went to a detox place, 1239 00:49:18,373 --> 00:49:21,292 not because I drank or did drugs, just to clear myself out. 1240 00:49:21,376 --> 00:49:23,544 And at lunch time, I walked past this place, 1241 00:49:23,628 --> 00:49:26,381 and I had my lunch with me, and I saw a gun store. 1242 00:49:27,048 --> 00:49:29,092 So I went downstairs to take a look, 1243 00:49:29,175 --> 00:49:30,968 and the gun store owner looked a little dodgy. 1244 00:49:31,052 --> 00:49:32,470 He kept pulling guns out of the case, 1245 00:49:32,553 --> 00:49:34,305 showing people without breaking the gun. 1246 00:49:34,389 --> 00:49:36,391 He pulls out the gun to show somebody, 1247 00:49:36,474 --> 00:49:38,184 pulls the trigger, boom! 1248 00:49:38,267 --> 00:49:41,938 Right on my fingers, and the blood came up on my face, 1249 00:49:42,021 --> 00:49:44,399 and I looked down. I was almost numb. 1250 00:49:44,482 --> 00:49:46,651 This guy had the nerve to look at me and say, 1251 00:49:47,151 --> 00:49:49,529 "What happened?" I said, "Well, 1252 00:49:49,612 --> 00:49:50,863 I think you shot me." 1253 00:49:51,406 --> 00:49:53,032 I'm a musician. 1254 00:49:53,116 --> 00:49:55,660 A guitar player needs ten fingers. 1255 00:49:55,743 --> 00:49:58,788 My fingers looked like a handful of exploded stogies. 1256 00:49:58,871 --> 00:50:00,289 It was horrible. I mean, 1257 00:50:00,373 --> 00:50:01,666 I could've been killed. I mean, 1258 00:50:01,749 --> 00:50:03,292 if my hand wasn't there, it could've gone 1259 00:50:03,376 --> 00:50:04,836 into my abdomen, could've shot me 1260 00:50:04,919 --> 00:50:06,212 in the heart. I mean, it was really-- 1261 00:50:06,295 --> 00:50:08,005 literally two and a half feet away 1262 00:50:08,089 --> 00:50:10,299 with a .357 Magnum Colt Python. 1263 00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:13,594 I've lost my record deal. 1264 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:16,472 I'm living in like a crappy apartment. 1265 00:50:16,556 --> 00:50:19,016 I'm going from this high level, from Staying Alive 1266 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,685 to this, and then I get shot. 1267 00:50:20,768 --> 00:50:22,061 [gunshot booms] 1268 00:50:22,145 --> 00:50:23,855 You have to have thick skin 1269 00:50:23,938 --> 00:50:25,231 and be bullet-proof 1270 00:50:26,065 --> 00:50:28,443 to be in the body of Frank Stallone. Trust me. 1271 00:50:28,526 --> 00:50:31,362 [intense dramatic music] 1272 00:50:31,446 --> 00:50:33,948 So then little gigs started dripping and drabbing, 1273 00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:35,324 but I had started doing movies. 1274 00:50:35,408 --> 00:50:37,410 [indistinct chattering] 1275 00:50:41,581 --> 00:50:44,208 -I had jabbed inside the socket. -[man] Good luck. 1276 00:50:44,292 --> 00:50:46,127 -[marker clacks] -[Frank] When I came to California, 1277 00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:47,628 I started working on Rocky III. 1278 00:50:47,712 --> 00:50:49,464 My acting job consisted 1279 00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:51,215 of being a stand in for my brother, 1280 00:50:51,299 --> 00:50:52,341 and then I did everything. 1281 00:50:52,425 --> 00:50:53,676 I sang in the movie. 1282 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,762 I'm on screen singing "Pushing," 1283 00:50:55,845 --> 00:50:57,054 and then I'm on the scene 1284 00:50:57,138 --> 00:50:58,848 where my brother knocks me out in the ring. 1285 00:50:58,931 --> 00:51:00,516 [crowd cheers] 1286 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,685 And then I'm in another scene where Mr. T knocks me out. 1287 00:51:02,769 --> 00:51:07,398 So like I'm basically a utility heavy bag that sings. 1288 00:51:07,482 --> 00:51:09,358 Of course, there's a little bit of an acting thing 1289 00:51:09,442 --> 00:51:10,902 in Staying Alive. It was Carl, like, 1290 00:51:10,985 --> 00:51:12,153 "What are you Allstate, pal?" 1291 00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:13,196 Is everything all right? 1292 00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:14,363 Everything is fine. 1293 00:51:14,447 --> 00:51:15,615 She's in good hands. 1294 00:51:15,698 --> 00:51:17,074 Hey, what are you Allstate, pal? 1295 00:51:17,158 --> 00:51:18,367 Yeah, you want disability? 1296 00:51:18,451 --> 00:51:20,286 Look, I'll see you Wednesday, okay? 1297 00:51:20,369 --> 00:51:22,121 All right, good night. Good night. 1298 00:51:22,205 --> 00:51:23,414 Good night. 1299 00:51:27,627 --> 00:51:30,296 After Staying Alive, then my manager, Robin, said, 1300 00:51:30,379 --> 00:51:32,340 "Well, you should get into acting," but I was going 1301 00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:33,758 to acting class. I wasn't bad. 1302 00:51:33,841 --> 00:51:36,636 So the first movie I got 1303 00:51:37,136 --> 00:51:38,429 was called The Pink Chiquitas. 1304 00:51:38,513 --> 00:51:40,139 [tires screech] 1305 00:51:40,932 --> 00:51:42,099 All right, everybody down! [claps] 1306 00:51:42,183 --> 00:51:43,392 -Let's go! -[woman moans] 1307 00:51:44,143 --> 00:51:45,895 [Frank] So I'm in the movie, and all these 1308 00:51:45,978 --> 00:51:48,481 really thespian theater-type actors are there 1309 00:51:48,564 --> 00:51:50,191 and I'm just like this hack. 1310 00:51:50,274 --> 00:51:53,110 I, Tony Mareda, have to roll. 1311 00:51:53,194 --> 00:51:55,613 [Frank] So I did some good movies, but a lot of it was garbage, 1312 00:51:55,696 --> 00:51:57,532 and it was all like gratuitous sex, 1313 00:51:57,615 --> 00:51:59,408 which I had never really got into the sex thing. 1314 00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:00,827 "Yo, would you like to have sex with her?" 1315 00:52:00,910 --> 00:52:02,078 I'd rather shoot her. 1316 00:52:02,161 --> 00:52:03,704 -[door slams] -[gunshots fire] 1317 00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:05,998 I did movies like Terror In Beverly Hills, 1318 00:52:06,082 --> 00:52:08,960 and some of these have become like culti-weird movies. 1319 00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:11,379 I know nothing about martial arts. 1320 00:52:11,462 --> 00:52:13,089 So these guys are flying in the air, kicking, 1321 00:52:13,172 --> 00:52:16,259 and then I stand and go... [exhales loudly] like I did it. 1322 00:52:16,342 --> 00:52:18,886 -[intense rock music] -[exhales loudly] 1323 00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:20,555 You're doing good, Billy. You keep it up, 1324 00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:22,932 you're going to be able to whip my butt. 1325 00:52:23,015 --> 00:52:24,600 [Frank] I said, "I can't be an action star, 1326 00:52:24,684 --> 00:52:26,477 look who my brother is." I mean, I'd be like 1327 00:52:26,561 --> 00:52:28,938 a really bad version of an action star. 1328 00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:31,482 I was being hired because they couldn't afford my brother. 1329 00:52:31,566 --> 00:52:34,443 I was under no allusions my acting career was like... 1330 00:52:34,527 --> 00:52:36,362 [with deep voice] "We can't get Rocky, let's get his brother 1331 00:52:36,445 --> 00:52:38,322 for 20,000, instead of 20 million." 1332 00:52:38,406 --> 00:52:40,283 Like I did a movie with Chris Mitchum. 1333 00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:46,664 So Stallone, Mitchum, in almost microscopic, Frank, Chris. 1334 00:52:47,248 --> 00:52:49,125 So I was definitely no threat to Sylvester, 1335 00:52:49,208 --> 00:52:51,168 as far as my movie career going. 1336 00:52:51,252 --> 00:52:52,837 I mean, I don't think I'm a bad actor. 1337 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,172 I think I could've developed into a better actor. 1338 00:52:55,256 --> 00:52:57,842 -[intense dramatic music] -Aye, aye, Skipper. 1339 00:52:57,925 --> 00:52:59,427 [Steven] He's absolutely a natural, 1340 00:52:59,510 --> 00:53:02,513 and never self-conscious of any kind of 1341 00:53:02,597 --> 00:53:06,767 comparison, considering the giant shadow his brother casts. 1342 00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:10,521 And he always delivers. He's always very, very believable. 1343 00:53:10,605 --> 00:53:12,231 [Sylvester] You know, we have a deal. I said, "Look, pal, 1344 00:53:12,315 --> 00:53:13,774 I won't sing," which... 1345 00:53:14,483 --> 00:53:18,946 ...has been well documented, "And he shouldn't act," 1346 00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:21,073 but actually, he's a much better actor 1347 00:53:21,157 --> 00:53:22,909 than I am a singer. He can act. 1348 00:53:22,992 --> 00:53:24,285 When he does it, he's good. 1349 00:53:24,368 --> 00:53:26,621 Like in Barfly, he was fantastic. 1350 00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,665 Hey, you! You with the filthy apron! 1351 00:53:30,833 --> 00:53:32,668 [sighs loudly] Be back in seconds. 1352 00:53:33,502 --> 00:53:34,837 I hear a voice down there, 1353 00:53:34,921 --> 00:53:36,589 but I sure as hell don't see much. 1354 00:53:37,673 --> 00:53:38,799 [man laughs] 1355 00:53:39,383 --> 00:53:41,177 Seems like that beating I gave you last night 1356 00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:42,678 must've rattled your belt, huh? 1357 00:53:42,762 --> 00:53:44,972 [Frank] I felt Barfly was going to be 1358 00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:48,309 my shot to prove that I could get deep into stuff 1359 00:53:48,392 --> 00:53:50,227 because I had a lot of emotions going on and stuff like that. 1360 00:53:50,311 --> 00:53:51,938 You'd think that son of a bitch would learn 1361 00:53:52,021 --> 00:53:53,439 by now to stop trying me. 1362 00:53:53,522 --> 00:53:55,107 -[man laughs] -Whoa, 1363 00:53:55,191 --> 00:53:57,234 you are a genuine man. [smooches] 1364 00:53:57,318 --> 00:53:58,861 See this balance, the, you know, 1365 00:53:59,528 --> 00:54:02,740 the... [sighs] tolerance, the intolerance 1366 00:54:02,823 --> 00:54:04,742 of this character, and, and, you know, 1367 00:54:04,825 --> 00:54:06,535 the humor was perfectly placed, 1368 00:54:06,619 --> 00:54:08,329 pitched in that, in that role. 1369 00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:10,081 It was awesome. 1370 00:54:10,164 --> 00:54:11,540 Your credit's no good here. 1371 00:54:12,208 --> 00:54:13,542 You have to have the green. 1372 00:54:14,043 --> 00:54:15,419 [John LaRocca] Mickey's not an easy character. 1373 00:54:15,503 --> 00:54:17,505 A brilliant actor. Faye's not an easy 1374 00:54:17,588 --> 00:54:20,091 character to work with, but a brilliant actress. 1375 00:54:20,174 --> 00:54:23,010 -So Frank had to hold his own... -This can't be true. 1376 00:54:23,094 --> 00:54:25,429 ...and he had to show his strength at the same time, 1377 00:54:25,513 --> 00:54:28,099 and not be pushed around, because either one of those actors 1378 00:54:28,182 --> 00:54:29,976 could just move him around whenever they want. 1379 00:54:30,059 --> 00:54:35,022 I asked, who's going to pay for the goddamn drink? 1380 00:54:35,815 --> 00:54:37,608 [John LaRocca] Acting is all about moments. 1381 00:54:37,692 --> 00:54:39,276 And he had those moments, 1382 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,904 and I think that's what made a great performance. 1383 00:54:41,988 --> 00:54:45,992 Not acting, but knowing when to really put on the moment 1384 00:54:46,075 --> 00:54:47,994 in front of a Mickey, or in front of a Faye, 1385 00:54:48,077 --> 00:54:49,453 or in front of the director. 1386 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,748 [Frank] The movie didn't do well, but it got good reviews, 1387 00:54:52,832 --> 00:54:55,543 in Europe especially, so now it's like a cult classic, 1388 00:54:55,626 --> 00:54:57,086 and you'd think I'd be working all the time, 1389 00:54:57,169 --> 00:54:58,963 because I get all these young directors 1390 00:54:59,046 --> 00:55:00,965 coming to me, "Hey, man, loved you in Barfly." 1391 00:55:01,549 --> 00:55:04,677 I thought something good was going to come from it, and it did. 1392 00:55:05,469 --> 00:55:07,972 There's a safe on the seventh floor, you take their thingy, 1393 00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:11,267 -and you put it in this thingy. -Directions even your brother could understand. 1394 00:55:11,350 --> 00:55:14,228 -Yeah, directions even I could understand. -Shut up. 1395 00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:16,397 [Frank] And then Hudson Hawk, that was going to be 1396 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,232 a big movie, man. It was a disaster. 1397 00:55:18,315 --> 00:55:19,984 People would ask us, what was-- is it about? 1398 00:55:20,067 --> 00:55:21,652 Is it a comedy? I said, "Well, if it is 1399 00:55:21,736 --> 00:55:23,487 a comedy... [laughs] 1400 00:55:23,571 --> 00:55:25,906 ...I don't know that yet, but we'll find out soon." 1401 00:55:26,449 --> 00:55:28,034 Someone told me a lot of horseshit. You want to open up 1402 00:55:28,117 --> 00:55:30,661 a hardware store, go straight, and sell spatulas. 1403 00:55:30,745 --> 00:55:32,913 Have you lovely ladies tried our house wine? 1404 00:55:32,997 --> 00:55:35,291 -I think you'll enjoy. -[bottle crashes] 1405 00:55:35,374 --> 00:55:37,293 I thought, of course, that it was a kind of comedy 1406 00:55:37,376 --> 00:55:39,211 that I had never done before, 1407 00:55:39,295 --> 00:55:41,047 but I had the feeling it was going to be 1408 00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:42,631 something special and new, 1409 00:55:43,174 --> 00:55:44,884 but as you probably know it, it wasn't. 1410 00:55:44,967 --> 00:55:46,427 It was a bomb. The critics hated it. 1411 00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:48,095 It cost about 60 million dollars. 1412 00:55:48,179 --> 00:55:50,056 You don't do that auction house job, 1413 00:55:50,139 --> 00:55:53,434 I'm going to put you on trial, and I promise you, my friend, 1414 00:55:53,517 --> 00:55:56,771 there'll be no bailiff, you understand? 1415 00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:59,482 Why you son of a bitch! 1416 00:55:59,565 --> 00:56:01,400 Hey, Bailey, just settle down! 1417 00:56:01,484 --> 00:56:02,485 Shut up. 1418 00:56:03,986 --> 00:56:05,571 Take your money and get out, 1419 00:56:06,155 --> 00:56:08,282 because I'm tired of listening to your mouth. 1420 00:56:09,241 --> 00:56:10,659 Why, Ed Bailey. 1421 00:56:10,743 --> 00:56:12,286 [Frank] And then Tombstone, 1422 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:13,871 to me, a great Western. One of the great 1423 00:56:13,954 --> 00:56:15,331 modern Westerns, I think. 1424 00:56:15,414 --> 00:56:16,665 Guns don't scare me, 1425 00:56:17,958 --> 00:56:19,376 because without them guns, you ain't nothing 1426 00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:21,629 but a skinny lunger. 1427 00:56:21,712 --> 00:56:24,507 [Frank] People call and say, "Hey, man, you're Ed Bailey." 1428 00:56:24,590 --> 00:56:26,550 No one comes up and says, "Hey, man, loved you 1429 00:56:26,634 --> 00:56:28,427 in The Terror of Beverly Hills." I don't get that. 1430 00:56:28,511 --> 00:56:29,929 "I loved you in Pink Chiquitas." 1431 00:56:30,012 --> 00:56:32,056 -I don't get that. -[screams] 1432 00:56:32,139 --> 00:56:34,725 -[splashing] -I was supposed to do a movie with my brother. 1433 00:56:34,809 --> 00:56:36,727 This agency, they came after, and he said, 1434 00:56:36,811 --> 00:56:38,854 "Frank, I think we can do really big things with you." 1435 00:56:38,938 --> 00:56:40,856 I signed with him Friday. 1436 00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:43,359 That Monday, what comes across their desk? 1437 00:56:43,442 --> 00:56:45,611 It's my brother. He's the star of the movie, 1438 00:56:45,694 --> 00:56:48,489 and there's a part in the movie as his brother. 1439 00:56:49,323 --> 00:56:52,368 These guys, sitting here, they go, "Come on, it's a slam dunk. 1440 00:56:52,451 --> 00:56:54,328 Frank just did Barfly, Tombstone. 1441 00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:56,288 It's Sly's brother. it's not a huge role, 1442 00:56:56,372 --> 00:56:58,165 but it's an important role, it's great." 1443 00:56:58,249 --> 00:57:00,167 They call up the casting agent, 1444 00:57:00,251 --> 00:57:02,670 "We just signed Frank Stallone." 1445 00:57:02,753 --> 00:57:04,880 All of a sudden, there was like silence on the other end, 1446 00:57:04,964 --> 00:57:08,926 and this is what he hears, "Mmm, I don't see it." 1447 00:57:09,635 --> 00:57:11,220 [intense dramatic music] 1448 00:57:11,303 --> 00:57:14,849 I never heard from the agency again. 1449 00:57:16,475 --> 00:57:18,102 So they figured, if we can't deliver 1450 00:57:18,185 --> 00:57:20,855 Frank playing Frank to his brother, 1451 00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:22,523 it's a lost cause. 1452 00:57:22,606 --> 00:57:24,567 [breathes deeply] "I can't see it." 1453 00:57:27,528 --> 00:57:29,905 ♪ Those fingers in my hair ♪ 1454 00:57:29,989 --> 00:57:32,116 "I can't seem to get a record deal no matter what, 1455 00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:33,617 so I'm going to do my own record. 1456 00:57:33,701 --> 00:57:35,035 I'm going to pay for it." 1457 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,746 ♪ Strips my conscience bare ♪ 1458 00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:39,415 ♪ It's witchcraft ♪ 1459 00:57:39,498 --> 00:57:41,125 So I do the, you know, big band album 1460 00:57:41,208 --> 00:57:43,335 because I figured no one else is doing a big band album. 1461 00:57:43,419 --> 00:57:44,879 So who do I find? 1462 00:57:44,962 --> 00:57:47,256 One of the greatest conductors ever, Sammy Nestico. 1463 00:57:47,339 --> 00:57:49,592 One of the greats, Count Basie. [stutters] He's up there 1464 00:57:49,675 --> 00:57:51,760 with Nelson Riddle and Billy May. He's up there. 1465 00:57:51,844 --> 00:57:55,097 [Sammy] It's easy working with him, because he's so open. 1466 00:57:55,181 --> 00:57:56,640 "What do you think about this idea?" 1467 00:57:56,724 --> 00:57:58,726 "Oh, yeah, that sounds good, Sammy. 1468 00:57:58,809 --> 00:58:00,769 Let's use that." What a joy. 1469 00:58:00,853 --> 00:58:02,813 I didn't get that with every record, 1470 00:58:02,897 --> 00:58:04,815 but I got it with Frank. [laughs] 1471 00:58:04,899 --> 00:58:07,568 [Frank] Tony Bennett wrote the liner notes for the album. 1472 00:58:07,651 --> 00:58:09,445 And Sammy Nestico, who'd been nominated 1473 00:58:09,528 --> 00:58:12,072 for a Grammy so many times, said to me, 1474 00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:14,658 it was one of the best albums he ever did. So he goes back to playing 1475 00:58:14,742 --> 00:58:16,869 with Tommy Dorsey, that's how far back he goes. 1476 00:58:16,952 --> 00:58:18,787 So for him to say that, it was pretty good. 1477 00:58:19,413 --> 00:58:20,831 [Sammy] Frank doesn't know this, 1478 00:58:20,915 --> 00:58:23,459 but when I was working for Michael Bublé, 1479 00:58:23,542 --> 00:58:28,505 David Foster has a studio in his first floor of his home, 1480 00:58:28,589 --> 00:58:30,591 so my wife and I would go up there 1481 00:58:30,674 --> 00:58:33,177 and talk with Michael and David Foster, 1482 00:58:33,260 --> 00:58:35,387 and my wife says, "You know what I saw 1483 00:58:35,471 --> 00:58:37,473 on David Foster's desk? 1484 00:58:39,433 --> 00:58:40,392 I saw this." 1485 00:58:40,476 --> 00:58:42,811 [Sammy laughs] 1486 00:58:42,895 --> 00:58:46,607 So Frank, believe me, they were listening to it. 1487 00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:48,108 [Sammy laughs] 1488 00:58:48,692 --> 00:58:52,488 Again, no management, no support team, nothing. 1489 00:58:52,571 --> 00:58:54,240 So that's like the story of my life. 1490 00:58:54,323 --> 00:58:55,991 So it just goes nowhere. 1491 00:58:56,825 --> 00:59:00,371 I never could figure that out, what could've gone wrong. 1492 00:59:00,454 --> 00:59:03,582 [dramatic instrumental music] 1493 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,341 I don't think the public just took him serious. Why? I don't know. 1494 00:59:12,424 --> 00:59:14,468 [Nick] People are going to be thinking of Sylvester Stallone, 1495 00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:16,178 I think that's the issue. 1496 00:59:16,262 --> 00:59:18,013 You just think of him as soon as you see 1497 00:59:18,097 --> 00:59:21,267 Frank, and I think that's what he is up against. 1498 00:59:21,350 --> 00:59:23,602 You know, it's not easy having the name Stallone. 1499 00:59:23,686 --> 00:59:25,145 Because you live in a shadow, 1500 00:59:25,562 --> 00:59:27,940 and every time you get a great job, you know, people say, 1501 00:59:28,023 --> 00:59:30,192 "You probably got that because of your brother." 1502 00:59:30,276 --> 00:59:32,403 He didn't. He got this because of his talent. 1503 00:59:32,486 --> 00:59:34,488 [Joe Mantegna] He would have all that same talent and all that 1504 00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:36,991 if his name was Joe Schmo, but it's not, it's Frank Stallone. 1505 00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:38,909 So I think from right from the beginning... 1506 00:59:39,451 --> 00:59:41,954 [stutters] it's almost like being set up. 1507 00:59:42,037 --> 00:59:44,164 It's almost like you... [stutters] 1508 00:59:44,248 --> 00:59:46,000 ...you put yourself almost in the middle of a target. 1509 00:59:46,083 --> 00:59:48,419 Like, "Okay, here I am. Take your shot." 1510 00:59:49,295 --> 00:59:52,006 [Talia] He knew that I was sensitive 1511 00:59:52,089 --> 00:59:54,174 being the sister of somebody 1512 00:59:54,258 --> 00:59:56,677 who is very well known. We talked a lot about that, 1513 00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,055 about how one designs a professional life 1514 01:00:00,139 --> 01:00:02,057 given your sibling. 1515 01:00:02,141 --> 01:00:04,893 Frank then had to make some big decisions. 1516 01:00:05,561 --> 01:00:07,104 Should he change his name? 1517 01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:10,441 At one point, I know he wasn't completely serious, 1518 01:00:10,524 --> 01:00:13,444 but I said, "Frank, why don't you change your name?" 1519 01:00:13,986 --> 01:00:17,197 He says, "Oh, well, why doesn't my brother change his name?" 1520 01:00:17,906 --> 01:00:20,159 People may think, "Oh, yes, Frank Stallone. 1521 01:00:20,242 --> 01:00:21,785 Oh--" he's not a joke. 1522 01:00:21,869 --> 01:00:24,204 Finally, the votes are in, 1523 01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:26,332 and Entertainment Weekly has chosen 1524 01:00:26,415 --> 01:00:28,292 its funniest man alive, 1525 01:00:28,375 --> 01:00:30,210 and who is the funniest man alive? 1526 01:00:30,294 --> 01:00:32,379 You guessed it, Frank Stallone. 1527 01:00:32,463 --> 01:00:34,006 [audience laughs] 1528 01:00:34,089 --> 01:00:35,341 [Frankie] Maybe it was a little dark, 1529 01:00:35,424 --> 01:00:36,717 a little bit harder to be him 1530 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,178 at that particular place and time, 1531 01:00:39,261 --> 01:00:42,181 and he finally came to terms with it, and he found himself. 1532 01:00:42,264 --> 01:00:44,350 And I think when he found himself, 1533 01:00:44,433 --> 01:00:45,934 I think it all just came together. 1534 01:00:47,144 --> 01:00:49,188 [Jackie] I'd doubt if they could live without each other. 1535 01:00:49,271 --> 01:00:50,773 They have each other's back. 1536 01:00:50,856 --> 01:00:53,067 If either one were in trouble, 1537 01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:55,444 the other one would be there in a minute. 1538 01:00:55,527 --> 01:00:58,906 [Sylvester] If there was a plane, and we were going down, 1539 01:00:58,989 --> 01:01:01,950 and there was one parachute, guess who's not getting it? 1540 01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:05,829 No one owes me a living, nobody. 1541 01:01:06,288 --> 01:01:08,791 I chose this, or it chose me when I was a kid, 1542 01:01:08,874 --> 01:01:10,501 and I've loved every minute of it. Yeah, 1543 01:01:10,584 --> 01:01:12,378 do I get disgusted, do I get pissed off? 1544 01:01:12,461 --> 01:01:13,962 Do I-- Yes, I do. 1545 01:01:14,046 --> 01:01:15,923 I think I'm better now than I was then 1546 01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:17,758 all around with the music. But guess what? 1547 01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:21,303 I cannot get a booking agent, and you see our shows. 1548 01:01:21,387 --> 01:01:23,472 We sell out. We get standing ovations. 1549 01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:26,975 It's just good music and energy from him on stage, 1550 01:01:27,393 --> 01:01:30,145 and the way he talks to the audience is also cool. 1551 01:01:30,229 --> 01:01:34,483 The crowd just loves him, and his stories on stage, 1552 01:01:34,566 --> 01:01:38,028 and his ability to sing all different genres 1553 01:01:38,112 --> 01:01:39,988 of different kinds of music. 1554 01:01:40,072 --> 01:01:41,657 [Arnold] Frank is a very talented musician. 1555 01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:44,159 I go to a lot of his performances. 1556 01:01:44,243 --> 01:01:46,036 He works very hard on his singing. 1557 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,914 He, uh, he has such a huge variety of voice 1558 01:01:48,997 --> 01:01:51,458 and reach. He can do anything. 1559 01:01:51,542 --> 01:01:53,460 [Richie] He can play the blues. He can play rock. He can play pop. 1560 01:01:53,544 --> 01:01:56,338 He can play R&B. He did the big band thing. 1561 01:01:56,422 --> 01:01:57,881 He's running the gammon in his career. 1562 01:01:57,965 --> 01:01:59,258 He's having a good time for himself. 1563 01:01:59,842 --> 01:02:01,260 [Duff] It's almost a variety show. 1564 01:02:01,343 --> 01:02:03,554 He's kind of all over the place, but it seems to fit. 1565 01:02:03,637 --> 01:02:05,931 He knows how to make it fit that set. 1566 01:02:06,014 --> 01:02:08,308 He's got Frank. He's got Tony Bennett. 1567 01:02:08,392 --> 01:02:10,644 He's got, you know, he's got Dean. 1568 01:02:10,727 --> 01:02:13,272 He's got it down, and he's really good. 1569 01:02:13,355 --> 01:02:16,817 I'm from that era of, uh, phrasing, 1570 01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:19,736 you know, the whole discussion about phrasing, 1571 01:02:20,696 --> 01:02:24,324 and, uh, he really understands the, the lyric when he sings it. 1572 01:02:24,992 --> 01:02:26,243 [Billy] I'm a big fan. 1573 01:02:26,326 --> 01:02:28,328 He's got incredible pipes. Sinatra 1574 01:02:28,412 --> 01:02:31,331 even sent him a monologue after a gig. 1575 01:02:31,415 --> 01:02:34,126 I mean, that ain't nothing... [laughs] you know? Or-- 1576 01:02:34,209 --> 01:02:37,463 Or the Chairman of the Board gives you, uh, gives you a nod. 1577 01:02:37,546 --> 01:02:40,674 Anybody who ever sees his name on a marquis, 1578 01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:42,551 whether it be a theater, or whether it be-- 1579 01:02:42,634 --> 01:02:45,471 whatever kind of venue, and you see Frank Stallone, 1580 01:02:45,554 --> 01:02:46,972 go and see Frank. 1581 01:02:47,055 --> 01:02:49,808 You'll become such a fan. He's wonderful. 1582 01:02:49,892 --> 01:02:52,478 He can play. He can play electric too... [imitates guitar strumming] 1583 01:02:52,561 --> 01:02:56,356 [electric guitar playing] 1584 01:03:11,663 --> 01:03:13,749 He spent some time actually 1585 01:03:13,832 --> 01:03:16,084 developing himself as a guitar player. 1586 01:03:16,627 --> 01:03:18,337 [Duff] A really good rhythm player. And he'll 1587 01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:19,713 whip out a lead here and there. 1588 01:03:19,796 --> 01:03:21,965 [rock music playing] 1589 01:03:22,049 --> 01:03:24,218 Frank is actually a very good 1590 01:03:24,301 --> 01:03:26,136 and interesting guitar player. I mean, 1591 01:03:26,220 --> 01:03:29,223 his chord playing and his rhythm is terrific. 1592 01:03:29,306 --> 01:03:31,308 Um, he plays a lot of different styles, 1593 01:03:31,391 --> 01:03:33,560 too many styles, in my opinion, 1594 01:03:33,644 --> 01:03:37,189 only because it's hard to pigeonhole him into one thing. 1595 01:03:37,272 --> 01:03:39,191 He can do a variety of things, 1596 01:03:39,274 --> 01:03:41,527 which is good as an entertainer, but not good 1597 01:03:41,610 --> 01:03:42,903 as a recording star. 1598 01:03:42,986 --> 01:03:44,321 I wanted to clarify that. 1599 01:03:44,404 --> 01:03:46,657 If you're going to become a recording star, 1600 01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:48,325 stick to one genre of music. 1601 01:03:48,408 --> 01:03:50,786 ♪ And I'm never going to give you up ♪ 1602 01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:53,705 ♪ For someone else's love ♪ 1603 01:03:53,789 --> 01:03:55,832 [Russ] You try to be all things to all people, 1604 01:03:55,916 --> 01:03:57,584 and you become nothing to nobody. 1605 01:03:58,085 --> 01:03:59,586 [David] We had gone through the country 1606 01:03:59,670 --> 01:04:02,798 playing outdoor festivals and clubs. 1607 01:04:02,881 --> 01:04:05,092 The fans started to pile up, 1608 01:04:05,175 --> 01:04:06,885 and the gigs started to happen, 1609 01:04:06,969 --> 01:04:10,180 but they were kind of like, "What is this?" You know? 1610 01:04:10,597 --> 01:04:13,225 And, you know, it took a little time. 1611 01:04:13,308 --> 01:04:14,351 It was not easy. 1612 01:04:14,935 --> 01:04:17,521 And then we had the opportunity to open for Don. 1613 01:04:17,604 --> 01:04:20,482 We opened for Don Rickles maybe 20 times. 1614 01:04:20,566 --> 01:04:21,858 Did you pass away? 1615 01:04:21,942 --> 01:04:23,944 [audience laughs] 1616 01:04:24,027 --> 01:04:25,362 What, am I talking to a wall here? 1617 01:04:25,445 --> 01:04:26,697 These are nice people. 1618 01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:27,823 Look at the front. I'm working 1619 01:04:27,906 --> 01:04:29,199 a state home for Christ's sake. 1620 01:04:29,283 --> 01:04:30,617 -Look at it. -[audience laughs] 1621 01:04:30,701 --> 01:04:32,202 [Paul] Don was a real gentleman. 1622 01:04:32,286 --> 01:04:33,203 A lot of fun. 1623 01:04:33,787 --> 01:04:35,330 [David] Frank is very gracious, 1624 01:04:35,414 --> 01:04:36,999 and he went backstage with me 1625 01:04:37,082 --> 01:04:40,877 to thank Mr. Rickles for the gig, and he said, 1626 01:04:40,961 --> 01:04:42,504 "Don, I just want to thank you." 1627 01:04:42,588 --> 01:04:44,631 In Rickles fashion, he says, "Shut up, Frank, 1628 01:04:44,715 --> 01:04:46,216 you have the job." [laughs] 1629 01:04:46,300 --> 01:04:52,931 ♪ Before you carry on ♪ 1630 01:04:53,015 --> 01:04:55,058 ♪ Doo do doo do doo do dow ♪ 1631 01:04:55,142 --> 01:04:57,477 [audience cheers and applauds] 1632 01:04:57,561 --> 01:04:59,062 [Jonathan] He constantly amazes me, 1633 01:04:59,146 --> 01:05:00,772 because I don't think he'll mind me saying, 1634 01:05:00,856 --> 01:05:03,191 he doesn't really read a lick of music. 1635 01:05:03,275 --> 01:05:05,485 That's one big part of what I do. It's almost-- 1636 01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:08,530 There's a bit of interpretation for him, if you like. 1637 01:05:08,614 --> 01:05:11,491 He-- but he's so-- He's very innately musical. 1638 01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:13,994 He's not going to weigh down with the music theory 1639 01:05:14,077 --> 01:05:16,246 side of things. So he does what he wants. 1640 01:05:16,330 --> 01:05:18,332 Any kind of rehearsal or sound check, 1641 01:05:18,415 --> 01:05:20,667 you don't want to run into him. He is grumpy. 1642 01:05:20,751 --> 01:05:22,753 Way back when, he'd just kind of breeze in, 1643 01:05:22,836 --> 01:05:24,796 and everything would be taken care of, 1644 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,799 and now he's a schlep, and he's got the guitar on the back. 1645 01:05:28,383 --> 01:05:31,345 So, yeah, he could be a little less grumpy before the show. 1646 01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:34,598 But as soon as the lights come on, the people are in, 1647 01:05:34,681 --> 01:05:36,016 it's business as usual. 1648 01:05:36,642 --> 01:05:38,518 -[Frank] Here we go. -[drums play] 1649 01:05:38,602 --> 01:05:40,062 -All right. -[announcer] Now 1650 01:05:40,145 --> 01:05:41,813 the fella you've been waiting for, 1651 01:05:41,897 --> 01:05:44,650 the star of our show, Frank Stallone. 1652 01:05:44,733 --> 01:05:47,611 -[Frank] Hey! -[upbeat jazz music] 1653 01:05:47,694 --> 01:05:50,030 [Jonathan] He just knows how to communicate with people. 1654 01:05:50,113 --> 01:05:52,157 He's not always PC. And, uh, 1655 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,451 you know, that's part of his charm, I suppose. 1656 01:05:54,534 --> 01:05:55,952 He'll speak his opinion, 1657 01:05:56,036 --> 01:05:57,621 whether he's in a room of people 1658 01:05:57,704 --> 01:06:00,082 who completely think the opposite way. 1659 01:06:00,165 --> 01:06:02,668 He doesn't have any fear when it comes to that. 1660 01:06:02,751 --> 01:06:04,294 He don't take no bullshit from nobody, 1661 01:06:04,378 --> 01:06:05,837 and he'll tell you exactly what's on his mind, 1662 01:06:05,921 --> 01:06:07,297 and that's what I love about him. 1663 01:06:07,381 --> 01:06:08,423 [Paul] On the positive side, 1664 01:06:08,507 --> 01:06:09,758 you have to admire someone 1665 01:06:09,841 --> 01:06:11,760 that stands by what they think. 1666 01:06:12,803 --> 01:06:15,681 [Greg] Frank is a guy who's remained true to his roots, 1667 01:06:15,764 --> 01:06:18,684 and you couldn't corrupt that 1668 01:06:18,767 --> 01:06:21,186 with all the money or fame, fortune, 1669 01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:23,271 because that's part of his metal. 1670 01:06:23,355 --> 01:06:25,732 It might bend here and there, but it never changes. 1671 01:06:26,358 --> 01:06:27,359 He's a straight shooter. 1672 01:06:27,859 --> 01:06:29,820 Several years ago, I did 1673 01:06:29,903 --> 01:06:31,947 a charity event called Songs of Love. 1674 01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:34,658 It was a charity for terminally ill children, 1675 01:06:34,741 --> 01:06:36,451 and I booked a bunch of acts, 1676 01:06:36,535 --> 01:06:38,245 and Frank was the first person I asked, 1677 01:06:38,328 --> 01:06:39,830 and he said yes immediately. 1678 01:06:39,913 --> 01:06:41,790 And I got choked up introducing him, 1679 01:06:41,873 --> 01:06:44,710 because I said, "This guy is such a great guy, a nice guy, 1680 01:06:44,793 --> 01:06:47,796 and the first guy I asked to come onboard, 1681 01:06:47,879 --> 01:06:50,507 come here for free, do this for the kids, 1682 01:06:50,590 --> 01:06:52,676 and Frank was there... [snaps fingers] like that." 1683 01:06:52,759 --> 01:06:54,720 So that just shows the type of person he is, 1684 01:06:54,803 --> 01:06:56,555 and I love him to death. 1685 01:06:57,264 --> 01:06:58,640 [John Herzfeld] He may not admit this to you, 1686 01:06:58,724 --> 01:07:00,350 but he has a very gentle, 1687 01:07:00,434 --> 01:07:02,102 in a way, very precious side to him, 1688 01:07:02,185 --> 01:07:05,147 and he's warm and sometimes not warm. 1689 01:07:05,230 --> 01:07:09,901 He's dramatic, and sometimes he's intentionally vulnerable, 1690 01:07:09,985 --> 01:07:12,070 and sometimes he's cynical. 1691 01:07:12,154 --> 01:07:14,072 He's a man of emotions. 1692 01:07:14,156 --> 01:07:15,657 That's what makes him so great on stage. 1693 01:07:16,241 --> 01:07:18,201 But he's also extremely eccentric. 1694 01:07:18,285 --> 01:07:20,245 I mean, this guy's never been married. 1695 01:07:20,328 --> 01:07:21,788 He's consumed with his art, 1696 01:07:21,872 --> 01:07:23,498 and he's consumed with information, 1697 01:07:23,582 --> 01:07:27,169 and he's consumed with, uh, a curiosity. 1698 01:07:28,628 --> 01:07:30,881 [Paul Monte] The question that a lot of people ask is, 1699 01:07:30,964 --> 01:07:32,716 "Why hasn't Frank ever been married?" 1700 01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:35,427 An artist has to be in the state of inspiration. 1701 01:07:36,094 --> 01:07:38,430 Frank stayed in a certain state. 1702 01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:42,225 I don't ever see him really connecting in a part where 1703 01:07:42,684 --> 01:07:43,977 he'd be away from his music. 1704 01:07:44,811 --> 01:07:46,605 He can be away from acting, perhaps. 1705 01:07:46,688 --> 01:07:49,149 He could be away from writing. But his music, 1706 01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:51,610 that's the foundation of everything. 1707 01:07:51,693 --> 01:07:53,779 [Melissa] He is forever a bachelor. 1708 01:07:53,862 --> 01:07:56,114 He does his thing, if he's interested. 1709 01:07:56,490 --> 01:08:00,285 When he's not interested, he does their inventory 1710 01:08:00,702 --> 01:08:03,830 like nothing I've ever heard in my life, 1711 01:08:03,914 --> 01:08:05,874 and he gets all the nice girls, 1712 01:08:05,957 --> 01:08:07,793 all the beautiful, beautiful girls. 1713 01:08:07,876 --> 01:08:10,921 And, you know, when he falls in love, it's under the radar, 1714 01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:14,549 like you find out in his really peculiar ways 1715 01:08:14,633 --> 01:08:16,760 that he's got like a girl, and then it's over. 1716 01:08:19,012 --> 01:08:21,097 [Christopher] What will Frank Stallone's legacy be? 1717 01:08:21,598 --> 01:08:22,974 It's have to be his music. 1718 01:08:23,767 --> 01:08:26,478 At what level he wants to do it, because he's got another 15 years in him. 1719 01:08:26,561 --> 01:08:29,022 I swear the guy's got... He's just on a tear now. 1720 01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,483 [Bill] Whether you have success or you don't have success 1721 01:08:31,566 --> 01:08:34,402 is kind of irrelevant. If you're getting to do 1722 01:08:34,486 --> 01:08:36,279 what you claim to love to do, 1723 01:08:36,363 --> 01:08:37,864 and you're doing it at a high level, 1724 01:08:37,948 --> 01:08:39,741 I think you're a lucky guy. 1725 01:08:39,825 --> 01:08:42,786 Down the road, there's still something there for him 1726 01:08:42,869 --> 01:08:45,539 that's going to lift him out of the shadow a little bit. 1727 01:08:45,622 --> 01:08:49,543 Maybe a song. Maybe another album. 1728 01:08:49,626 --> 01:08:52,546 Maybe a part in a movie. 1729 01:08:52,629 --> 01:08:54,422 He might have a future, because he's got 1730 01:08:54,506 --> 01:08:56,132 a lot of life left in him. 1731 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,885 Frank's a great song writer. 1732 01:08:58,969 --> 01:09:01,638 He's a great singer, but it's about material. 1733 01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:04,307 It's about writing. It's about pouring it out. 1734 01:09:04,391 --> 01:09:06,059 What Frank would be great at, 1735 01:09:06,142 --> 01:09:09,062 is if he'd write something that embarrasses himself. 1736 01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:11,314 I mean, something that reveals him. 1737 01:09:11,398 --> 01:09:12,941 He's have to rip himself open, 1738 01:09:13,024 --> 01:09:16,403 and, "Oh, geez, I didn't know that was there," 1739 01:09:16,486 --> 01:09:18,738 and if he does that, he'll be great. 1740 01:09:20,031 --> 01:09:23,660 [Frankie] He paid all those dues that we all pay to this day, 1741 01:09:23,743 --> 01:09:25,579 and he never really got credit for it. 1742 01:09:25,662 --> 01:09:27,622 There's a magnetism to him 1743 01:09:27,706 --> 01:09:30,292 that I don't know that's been realized yet, 1744 01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:32,210 but it will be. It will be. 1745 01:09:33,670 --> 01:09:35,714 [Frank] I'd probably say, 95% of the people 1746 01:09:35,797 --> 01:09:37,549 that I grew up with that played music, 1747 01:09:37,632 --> 01:09:39,551 "Oh, yeah, we're going to do this," they all quit. 1748 01:09:40,135 --> 01:09:42,220 They all quit. They all got jobs. They got married. 1749 01:09:42,304 --> 01:09:44,848 "Ah, well, you know, I need something more secure." 1750 01:09:44,931 --> 01:09:47,100 And I just flew by the seat of my pants. 1751 01:09:47,183 --> 01:09:49,561 You had to have a certain faith in yourself, 1752 01:09:50,228 --> 01:09:51,771 because I didn't know, I really wasn't 1753 01:09:51,855 --> 01:09:53,064 interested in doing anything else. 1754 01:09:53,148 --> 01:09:54,983 I took the worst job you could, 1755 01:09:55,066 --> 01:09:58,111 show business. That's the most insecure job you could ever do. 1756 01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:00,113 -[audience cheers] -God bless you. 1757 01:10:00,780 --> 01:10:02,782 Goodnight. Thank you very much. 1758 01:10:02,866 --> 01:10:05,577 [audience cheers and applauds] 1759 01:10:05,660 --> 01:10:08,997 [mellow instrumental music] 1760 01:10:23,386 --> 01:10:26,598 [Frank] I always wonder, what has kept me in this game? 1761 01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,309 But, you know, I just keep coming back to it. I love it. 1762 01:10:31,937 --> 01:10:35,482 [mellow instrumental music] 1763 01:10:40,528 --> 01:10:44,199 [upbeat rock music] 1764 01:10:48,203 --> 01:10:49,663 Pump up the triceps, Frankie. 1765 01:10:50,413 --> 01:10:51,998 -You can do it. -[sighs] 1766 01:10:52,457 --> 01:10:53,458 Perfect. 1767 01:10:54,250 --> 01:10:55,710 -Very nice. -[weights clank] 1768 01:10:56,503 --> 01:10:57,754 Look at this body. 1769 01:10:57,837 --> 01:10:58,713 [Frank laughs] 1770 01:10:58,797 --> 01:10:59,881 Unbelievable. 1771 01:11:02,592 --> 01:11:04,636 Now if you teach me how to sing, 1772 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,471 like I teach you about bodybuilding, 1773 01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,807 I would be performing in Vegas. 1774 01:11:08,890 --> 01:11:11,351 -[Frank] That's right. -This is like a one-way street here. 1775 01:11:12,394 --> 01:11:14,521 ♪ Save me darling ♪ 1776 01:11:15,355 --> 01:11:18,775 ♪ I am down but I am far from over ♪ 1777 01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:23,196 ♪ Give me something ♪ 1778 01:11:23,863 --> 01:11:27,409 ♪ I need it all because I am running over ♪ 1779 01:11:27,492 --> 01:11:28,952 -Is he around? -[man] He's around. 1780 01:11:29,035 --> 01:11:30,495 Well, get him in here. I want to just talk 1781 01:11:30,578 --> 01:11:32,914 to him to see if he's as goofy as I remember. 1782 01:11:32,998 --> 01:11:34,374 -Yo, Frank. -Hey, what's up? 1783 01:11:35,041 --> 01:11:39,254 All right, I was, uh, inviting you in here, because-- 1784 01:11:39,337 --> 01:11:41,214 [chair scrapes] 1785 01:11:41,297 --> 01:11:43,341 No one asked you to sit down. But don't try to assume, 1786 01:11:43,425 --> 01:11:45,969 -like my pose. We're like-- -We're trying to do, 1787 01:11:46,052 --> 01:11:48,221 -you know-- -We're doing Joe Weeder, like. 1788 01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:50,348 Considering from where we came from... 1789 01:11:50,432 --> 01:11:52,559 -Oh, man. -...and the family, and the disfunction, 1790 01:11:52,642 --> 01:11:54,728 that we're even here and functioning... 1791 01:11:54,811 --> 01:11:56,646 -Yeah. -...and that he has like 1792 01:11:56,730 --> 01:11:58,523 really well adjusted children... 1793 01:11:58,606 --> 01:11:59,733 -Right. -...is amazing. 1794 01:11:59,816 --> 01:12:01,359 I'm not that well-adjusted. 1795 01:12:01,443 --> 01:12:03,403 -Mm-mm. -But again-- But the thing is, 1796 01:12:03,486 --> 01:12:05,155 it's really amazing when you think, 1797 01:12:05,238 --> 01:12:06,865 -because those boxing gloves... -You know-- 1798 01:12:06,948 --> 01:12:08,908 ...have, have made this dynasty. 1799 01:12:08,992 --> 01:12:10,410 We actually should be like making 1800 01:12:10,493 --> 01:12:12,454 lunch meat for a living somewhere. 1801 01:12:12,537 --> 01:12:14,456 -Just like nothing-- -Well, you did do that for a while. 1802 01:12:14,539 --> 01:12:16,541 -I did actually do-- -He did work at a deli, actually. 1803 01:12:16,624 --> 01:12:18,376 -That's the-- -And I got thrown out of that too. 1804 01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:19,753 -Got thrown out of that. -That's right. 1805 01:12:19,836 --> 01:12:21,129 Keeping my thumb on the scale 1806 01:12:21,212 --> 01:12:22,172 -a little too much. -[Frank coughs] 1807 01:12:22,255 --> 01:12:23,840 But anyway, nice knowing you. 1808 01:12:23,923 --> 01:12:25,258 -Nice knowing you. -Yeah, take care. 1809 01:12:25,341 --> 01:12:26,676 And thanks for the good times. 1810 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,472 [upbeat rock music continues]