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[Frank]
I know exactly
the day I opened

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my mouth to sing.
It was a Sunday.

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All the relatives were
over at the house.

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It's an old Italian song,
and I didn't know

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what the hell the words were.
I was like six,

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seven years old. It was...
♪ Eh, Cumpari ♪

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And all of a sudden, I just
start singing along with it.

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It just seemed natural.

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For some reason,
it was effortless for me.

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I never had a pitch problem.
I could just sing.

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Please welcome, Frank Stallone.

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-Frank Stallone.
-Frank Stallone.

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-Frank Stallone.
-Frank Stallone.

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-Frank Stallone.
-Frank Stallone.

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[Sylvester]
In his world, and his talent,
he's, you know,

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every bit as good as I am
at what I try to do.

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He's a five tool guy.

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He can sing, he can act,
he can perform,

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he can write, and he could
fight like a son of a bitch.

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When you watch
Frank Stallone perform,

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he fulfills everything.

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It's just talent, man.
It's just pure talent.

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He sings his ass off.
Always did.

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He likes to talk a lot.

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-[laughs]
-He can talk.

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He can tell a story,
and he'll just capture you.

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He's just wonderful.

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[Billy]
It's a combination

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of electric magnetism

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coupled with
this incredible humility.

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It's just a rare cocktail.

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It's what I respect
most about him.

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Frank has style
and Frank has endurance.

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He's very driven. He's talented,
and he's also a sweetheart

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of a guy. He's a winner.

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He's an electric sort of guy,
and, and, uh, funny.

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He's entertaining.
He's got a heart of gold.

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There's never
a dull moment with Frank.

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[Frankie]
He's got a big heart.

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That's what people don't see.
It's that big.

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[Steven]
He's a force.
He's the real deal.

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There's so much more to him
than meets the eye.

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I mean, everybody knows,
yeah, he did a little

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doo-wop thing
in the first Rocky film,

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and you think, "Oh,
that's cute," you know,

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"Sylvester and his brother
sing a little

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thing at the beginning."
And then,

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you dig deeper,
and you found out,

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"Wow, this guy's
a tremendous musical artist

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in his own right."

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He was into music
24 hours a day.

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I knew that was his calling.

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He never quit.

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♪ I know what I'm missing ♪

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♪ I talk ♪

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♪ No one listens ♪

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♪ Now I'm talking to myself ♪

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♪ Reach out, no reaction ♪

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♪ What price? ♪

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♪ Satisfaction ♪

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♪ If you give up ♪

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♪ Or give it all... ♪

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[upbeat jazz music]

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These were actually, uh,

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these were a gift to me.

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These were
Frank Sinatra's cufflinks.

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Maybe that'll bring me a...
bit of good luck.

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See you in the movies.

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[upbeat jazz music continues]

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[announcer]
Welcome back to the stage
Frank Stallone.

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[audience applauds]

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[Frank]
I grew up in a kind
of a strange environment.

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My father was from Italy,
and my mother is a WASP,

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and she was born
in Washington DC.

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So I didn't really grow up in,

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what you would call,
a musical household.

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My father was a hair dresser.

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My mother worked
in the same business,

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and it was a very
tumultuous house.

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It was not a happy household.

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[Jackie]
I remember once
I went to Bloomingdale's,

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he was about five years old,
and he's so quite.

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Were-- He said to Frankie,
"Just sit here, don't move."

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He would not move until
you gave him a command to move.

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When I got home,
I realized I didn't have him.

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He was still sitting
on the bench in Bloomingdale's.

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I went back to the store,
and there you were. [laughs]

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To pick him up,
that's how well-mannered he was.

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[Annette]
He was a good baby.

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Frankie actually was
putty in your hand.

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He was a beautiful little baby,
and very good.

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Growing up, he was just a,
a normal child,

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but he developed a passion,

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and I mean really a passion,
for music.

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[Frank]
I remember to this day,
seeing Elvis Presley.

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All of a sudden,
this wild man comes on.

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At six years old, I'm going,
"Oh, yeah,

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forget 'Eh, Cumpari.'
That, that bullshit,

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that's over.
This is it right here."

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The hair, the look,
just everything about him,

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and that was it, I was hooked.

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When my parents got divorced,

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I moved from Maryland
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which was like night and day.

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But then the doo-wop thing
was always around,

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like The Platters,
The Silhouettes,

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that was like street corner.

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[hums and snaps]

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So I got into that.

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My mother had left.
She disappeared.

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And she came
around Christmas time,

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and I saw
these two like ukuleles.

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I know my brother
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so I guess they're both for me,

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but he ended up breaking it
over my head.

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That was
the beginning and the end

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of like the Italian version
of The Everly Brothers,

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because my brother,
as talented as he is,

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just has no musical talent.

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They tried.
They bought him a trumpet.

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He hammered the mouth piece in,

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but it just wasn't his bag,

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and he didn't know what his bag
was until 20 years later.

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So he was just
kind of a delinquent.

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[Sylvester]
I would torture Frank.

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Everything
from shooting arrows at him,

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and trying
to put him in a barrel,

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and roll him down a hill
while heaving rocks

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onto a freeway
under construction.

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His fingers almost got
cut off in a cement mixer.

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We got into a fight
over a drum stick,

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and I threw it at him, and
it sort of stuck in his head,

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and he's still alive,
which goes to show you,

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he's not normal.

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He has a primitive
neanderthal-type-skull.

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He's eating a bowl of ice cream.

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He goes... [with deep voice]
"Don't touch my ice cream,"

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and he throws
the ice cream in my face.

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I turn around, I hit him,
and I shatter my hand.

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This is the way we've always
conducted our business,

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me attacking my brother,
and then blaming him.

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So it's consistent.
There something nice

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about consistency.

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[Frank]
So then, off to military school.

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I just got wind of The Beatles.
I don't want to go
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and get a buzz haircut.
I can't do this anymore.

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I just don't want to do it,

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because now your hormones
are kind of changing.

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The Beatles, The Stones,
all this stuff is happening,

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and I'm wearing a buzz cut.

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I look like total jerk off.

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I don't fit in at all.

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So I left.
I went to public school.

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I wasn't dumb. I was very smart,

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but I couldn't apply myself.

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Now you would call that ADD,

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but then,
you just called it stupid.

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I think I got one A
in 12 years of school.

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I flunked music all four years.

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Barely got out of high school.

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Frankie and I met
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I had a set of drums,
but most of us,

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we were just doing something
that was part of a trend.

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For Frankie, it was a drive.

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He can't stop himself.

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I felt like a separation
emotionally,

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like he was moving away,
you know?

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He was very serious about that,
and I...

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...couldn't possibly
get serious at that age.

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[Frank]
I remember I worked all summer

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for 150 bucks,
and my stepfather said...

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[with deep voice]
"Well, if you work,
you can buy your own guitar."

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I said, "Okay, great."
I went to 8th Street Music,

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and I bought this bass,

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and he goes, "Oh, I didn't
tell you you could buy that,"

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and he took it away from me.

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I didn't even get
a chance to play it.

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It was so devastating to me,

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because I was so proud
because I worked for it,

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and he just put it away
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and he goes, "Don't you ever
touch that again." I said,

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I said, "You said if I worked
all summer, I could have it."

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I couldn't wait for when
he left town. Of course I'd...

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[imitates a bass strumming]
practice in the front room

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with my band, and stuff
like that. But I couldn't--

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Then I realized
I sucked at bass.

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[Jackie]
Well, he didn't
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for the simple reason
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pretty organized,
and very neat, and clean.

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He would insist Frankie
get a haircut

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as soon as he'd come home.
Well, that's the worst thing

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you could say to a musician.

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So, they didn't get along
well at all.

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[bright music]

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Got along very well
with his father.

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His father lived in, uh,

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Florida or Washington DC
at the time...

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[stutters] in both places,

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and he got along well
with his father.

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[Frank]
We were getting hit in the '60s.

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Every day there was
a new British invasion group,

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The Dave Clark Five,
The Kinks, The Who.

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It was so exciting. I mean,

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it was a blitzkrieg
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Everyone thought you were
English if you had long hair.

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You know,
those guys had Philly accents.

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[imitating accent] "Hello, love,
how yous doing there?"

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You say, "Oh, God, Almighty,"
you know?

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But girls thought
you were British,

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We're about as British as,
you know, whatever.

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So, what's the next thing?

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Let's straighten Frank's hair.

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To watch a guy iron
his own hair is ridiculous.

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It doesn't work.
I was burning my scalp.

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I looked like an O-Cedar mop,
just like, like a roof.

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It was horrible.
So then I figured it out.

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If I washed my hair it'd be wet.
I'd put like Dippity-Do in it,

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and I'd put a hair net on,
and sit under a hair dryer,

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and it'd come out
beautifully straight.

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Two seconds on the stage,

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sweat, and it all...

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[boing]

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I turned professional in 1965.

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The guy next door said,
"Hey, well I'm having a party,"

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so we set our stuff up
on the lawn, and we played.

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I think they gave us five bucks

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like for the band,
and I said, "Well,

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I'm professional.
I'm getting paid."

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This was my first group,
The American Tragedy.

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[Mark]
Frank is a natural-born
entertainer.

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His singing ability,
and his delivery,

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his performance
was unbelievable.

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[Mike Barford] There was
a thing, an advertisement
for a thing called

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the Philadelphia Battle
of the Bands,

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which was all throughout
Philadelphia.

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I heard numbers like
300 bands started or something,

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and the competition was fierce,

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but we came in second
of all the bands,

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and that was a lot
of acknowledgement.

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It was a lot of fun.

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[Frank]
My brother managed me
for one day

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with The American Tragedy.

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We went to see a group
called The Soultastics,

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and Sly goes, "Yeah, that's
what you guys should be doing."

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We were kids.
We couldn't even drive yet.

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So my brother's funny maid
just walks up, and goes,

250
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"Hey, who's your manager?"

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So my brother contacts this guy.

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We auditioned and played.
He goes, "Yeah, you guys
are pretty good,

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but you have to get outfits."

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They were these big
horse-checked pants

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with orange turtlenecks.

256
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But why would you buy
a turtleneck sweater

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to play live
with wool plaid pants?

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-[knocking at door]
-[door clatters]

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-Oh, my God! [laughs]
-There it is! Mike!

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[Mike] Frankie was looking
for something greater
than the neighborhood.

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It was time for him to move on,

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time for him to get out there,

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but we were that stepping stone.

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We got him started,
and I'm very proud of that.

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I think our group
is proud of that.

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We, we all take pride
in saying that,

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"Hey, we know Frank Stallone."

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We knew him back
when no one knew

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how well he could sing but us,

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and he's proved it
over and over again.

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[Frank]
I meet my friend,
Allen Rosenblum.

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I didn't know he played guitar,
and I was hearing,

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"Oh, Allen Rosenblum
can sure play guitar."

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So Allen and I got together,
and we put

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the first Valentine together.

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Why did I change
my name to Valentine?

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Because I had no money. I'd
just brought this western belt,

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and it had the name Valentine

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carved back in western letters.

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I said, "Well, shit, man,
I want to wear this belt,

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so I'll change
my name to Valentine."

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That belt was
the only belt I owned.

283
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[chuckles] It had Valentine
written on the back,

284
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and I didn't want
to explain it to people.

285
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Valentine was a very well
know Downtown Philly band.

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We wrote all our own tunes.

287
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We had a nice repertory
of originals.

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Frank had some. I had some.

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We wrote a couple together.

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♪ Fifty pages set
the stage to succeed to... ♪

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[Frank]
The bass player, he said,
"Man, I know

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this guy, he's a great
keyboard player, Daryl Hall."

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And it's this really
handsome guy.

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He walks down the steps
while we're rehearsing,

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sitting there,
and he's listening to us,

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and he's got a smile on
his face. He goes, "Wow, man."

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He's a real nice guy. "God,
you guys sound great, man."

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And so he was playing
in a successful bar band

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that worked all the time
on the weekends making money.

300
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We made nothing. So he had
to kind of bough out,

301
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but he was very nice. And then,

302
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they throw me out
of my own group.

303
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For some reason,
I was becoming unruly.

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[Allen]
He would get
into moods sometimes,

305
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and when he'd finally
show up to rehearsal,

306
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you know, an hour late,

307
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we decided that Frank had to go.

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And even though
I'd been a schmuck...

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[laughs] you know, when,
when the band, you know,

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when we tossed him out
of the band, he wouldn't let go.

311
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Our friendship meant
something to him.

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If you have to have a friend,

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have a friend
like Frank Stallone.

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[Frank]
And then you go through that
bad time being a solo artist,

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playing for a white fish.

316
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Seriously, that's how I got
paid, in like smoked fish

317
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one night
because I was starving.

318
00:12:22.242 --> 00:12:25.245
I was suffering from severe
panic attacks, and I didn't know

319
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what they were. I thought
I was absolutely insane.

320
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I'm having like a nervous
breakdown every four minutes.

321
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I'm talking.
I'm going like... [mumbles]

322
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It was horrible.

323
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[Annette]
I was working
at a radio station,

324
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and he had a little demo,
evidently, of his voice.

325
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We went into the recording room

326
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where the engineer was there,
and he played it.

327
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He said, "Kid,
let me tell you something."

328
00:12:45.599 --> 00:12:46.850
He said, "Don't waste your time.

329
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You'll never make it," you know?

330
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And I thought, "Damn, well."
[laughs]

331
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[Frank]
My manager at that time...
[sighs]

332
00:12:53.565 --> 00:12:55.358
..."I got you a job
in Portland, Maine."

333
00:12:55.442 --> 00:12:57.944
I go, "What? You got us
a gig in Portland, Maine?"

334
00:12:58.028 --> 00:13:00.113
We were playing
like country bars in Marysville,

335
00:13:00.197 --> 00:13:02.782
Pennsylvania, you know? And
that group was called Bananas.

336
00:13:02.866 --> 00:13:05.285
We're driving
a Ford Econoline van.

337
00:13:05.368 --> 00:13:06.495
We had no money.

338
00:13:06.578 --> 00:13:07.913
They spent the money on hashish.

339
00:13:08.371 --> 00:13:09.956
I said, "What-- what the hell
are we going to do?

340
00:13:10.040 --> 00:13:11.666
We're driving to Portland,
Maine." He goes,

341
00:13:11.750 --> 00:13:12.834
"Hey, you won't even know it."

342
00:13:12.918 --> 00:13:14.294
We see the club. We go,

343
00:13:14.377 --> 00:13:16.254
"All right, man, cool,
this is great."

344
00:13:16.338 --> 00:13:18.215
The guy goes,
"What are you talking about?"

345
00:13:19.132 --> 00:13:20.675
"We're Bananas."

346
00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:22.886
He goes, "I have no idea
what you're talking about."

347
00:13:23.678 --> 00:13:25.931
I said, "Are you serious?"
We just drove

348
00:13:26.014 --> 00:13:29.392
from Trenton, New Jersey,
to Portland, Maine,
and there's no gig?

349
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It's the middle of the winter.
Obviously, we were blitzed,

350
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and I think we stopped
for like hot dog

351
00:13:34.439 --> 00:13:36.691
and we cut it three ways.
But anyway, we made it back.

352
00:13:36.775 --> 00:13:38.944
That group breaks up.
Then I put together

353
00:13:39.027 --> 00:13:40.820
Valentine Two.
And we said, "Well,

354
00:13:40.904 --> 00:13:43.323
we got this guy, John Oates."
I said, "Yeah, cool."

355
00:13:43.406 --> 00:13:45.951
[John]
When I came to my first
rehearsal with the band,

356
00:13:46.034 --> 00:13:49.079
I immediately knew Frank
was the force in the band.

357
00:13:49.162 --> 00:13:52.165
It was his thing, you know? He
had a, he had a lot of charisma,

358
00:13:52.249 --> 00:13:54.626
he had a lot of presence,
and he had a really great voice,

359
00:13:54.709 --> 00:13:56.670
and he looked good.
You know, he was always
very concerned with

360
00:13:56.753 --> 00:13:58.547
how he presented himself,
you know?

361
00:13:58.630 --> 00:14:00.340
In terms of how he dressed,
and how he looked.

362
00:14:00.423 --> 00:14:03.260
I think he had a very kind of
professional approach to this

363
00:14:03.343 --> 00:14:05.011
kind of hippie band that we had.

364
00:14:05.095 --> 00:14:07.764
He was always like up to
something. I remember, one day,

365
00:14:07.847 --> 00:14:10.850
he came in, and he was wearing
like pancake makeup,
and I couldn't figure out why,

366
00:14:10.934 --> 00:14:13.019
because we were rehearsing
in a church or something.

367
00:14:13.103 --> 00:14:15.355
It was very weird.
But, but he had this thing.

368
00:14:15.438 --> 00:14:17.357
He had to give this kind
of theatrical thing.

369
00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.025
He was always
kind of performing.

370
00:14:19.109 --> 00:14:20.360
Frank was always kind of on.

371
00:14:21.444 --> 00:14:23.572
We had on big gig
at the Electric Factory,

372
00:14:23.655 --> 00:14:26.283
which was the hot rock club
in Philadelphia in the '60s.

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That was kind of our swan song.
I think that was

374
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the big gig, and after that,
it was done.

375
00:14:30.453 --> 00:14:32.455
And that's when Daryl
and I put our thing together.

376
00:14:34.374 --> 00:14:36.585
[Frank] I stayed with
my brother in New York.
We had like a shit hole.

377
00:14:36.668 --> 00:14:37.961
[Sylvester]
He crawled through the window.

378
00:14:38.044 --> 00:14:39.296
He goes,
"You mind if I live here?"

379
00:14:39.379 --> 00:14:40.672
It was $72 a month,

380
00:14:40.755 --> 00:14:43.258
and the room next
to me was kind of abandoned.

381
00:14:43.341 --> 00:14:46.219
And it was right next to my
brother's, right, the door--

382
00:14:46.303 --> 00:14:49.014
the wall was here,
he was there, I was here.
They were crap holes.

383
00:14:49.097 --> 00:14:51.600
I said, "Well, why don't we just
take a shovel on the thing?"

384
00:14:51.683 --> 00:14:53.351
And we tore a hole in the wall.

385
00:14:53.435 --> 00:14:54.978
He had a hole,
that he would come through

386
00:14:55.061 --> 00:14:57.564
this condemned apartment
that he didn't belong in,

387
00:14:57.647 --> 00:14:59.983
and he'd sleep in my thing,
and go back and forth.

388
00:15:00.066 --> 00:15:02.444
[Frank]
And I just would bullshit
my way into stuff,

389
00:15:02.527 --> 00:15:03.612
but I was really innocent.

390
00:15:03.695 --> 00:15:04.654
I mean, I didn't do drugs.

391
00:15:04.738 --> 00:15:05.572
I was like a virgin.

392
00:15:05.655 --> 00:15:06.615
I didn't know anything.

393
00:15:07.365 --> 00:15:10.410
I think I got laid once
in like five years, whatever.

394
00:15:10.493 --> 00:15:13.330
I was just focused
into what I was doing,

395
00:15:13.413 --> 00:15:15.332
and girls didn't want to go
after me. I had no money.

396
00:15:15.832 --> 00:15:18.627
There's a place on 85th Street
called Kenny's Castaways.

397
00:15:18.710 --> 00:15:22.339
I walk in, and there's
this guy on stage with a hat.

398
00:15:22.422 --> 00:15:25.383
[imitates rock singer]

399
00:15:25.467 --> 00:15:27.093
It's the E Street Band.

400
00:15:27.177 --> 00:15:29.929
It's Bruce Springsteen
doing... ♪ Rosalita ♪

401
00:15:30.013 --> 00:15:31.848
...and now I have to go on.
It's like, you know,

402
00:15:31.931 --> 00:15:34.142
if you had a puppet act
following The Beatles.

403
00:15:34.225 --> 00:15:37.270
And on those white like kind
of things with magic marker,

404
00:15:37.354 --> 00:15:42.442
it says, "Tonight Bruce
Springstine and Valentine."

405
00:15:42.901 --> 00:15:44.235
God, if I had a picture of that!

406
00:15:44.819 --> 00:15:47.113
So that's when
I went to Florida.

407
00:15:47.197 --> 00:15:49.616
I went to a place,
it was called the Feed Bag.

408
00:15:49.699 --> 00:15:52.911
That was the time
when someone gave me PCP,

409
00:15:52.994 --> 00:15:54.579
and all of a sudden,
it just hit me.

410
00:15:54.663 --> 00:15:56.164
I said, "Hey,
how you doing, folks?"

411
00:15:56.247 --> 00:15:59.584
[guitar strums offkey]

412
00:16:00.877 --> 00:16:02.879
I'm going like this,
but now the neck is growing,

413
00:16:02.962 --> 00:16:05.548
so the neck looks like it's
20 feet long, so I'm going.

414
00:16:05.632 --> 00:16:09.177
[guitar strums loudly offkey]

415
00:16:09.260 --> 00:16:13.640
And what happened, I just
untuned the guitar so badly,

416
00:16:13.723 --> 00:16:16.518
but I couldn't reach the neck,
and it took so long.

417
00:16:16.601 --> 00:16:19.104
That was the show.
I never got a chance to sing.

418
00:16:19.187 --> 00:16:20.563
They said, "Thank you,
Valentine, man.

419
00:16:20.647 --> 00:16:22.399
We appreciate it, brother.
Right on."

420
00:16:22.482 --> 00:16:24.401
I said... [with deep voice]
"But I can't tune it."

421
00:16:24.484 --> 00:16:26.027
They said, "Another day."

422
00:16:26.111 --> 00:16:27.904
The last thing I wanted to do,
was do anything

423
00:16:27.987 --> 00:16:29.531
that was mind expanding.

424
00:16:29.614 --> 00:16:31.616
You know,
my mind was expanded enough.

425
00:16:32.283 --> 00:16:34.327
So I played in Florida
for a while, and then I said,

426
00:16:34.411 --> 00:16:36.287
"Okay, I'm coming
back to New York.

427
00:16:36.371 --> 00:16:37.914
I'm coming back strong
with a vengeance."

428
00:16:38.581 --> 00:16:40.667
And the most incredible
thing I ever did.

429
00:16:40.750 --> 00:16:44.254
I used someone else's voice
to get a record deal.

430
00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.298
There was a song
that my bass player, Jody,

431
00:16:47.382 --> 00:16:49.300
sang on, and I go,
"God, this is really good."

432
00:16:49.384 --> 00:16:51.678
I went around to people, I said,
"Yeah, man, what do you think?"

433
00:16:51.761 --> 00:16:54.556
And they go,
"Wow, that's a great record.
We should re-record that."

434
00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:56.933
But it's Jody singing,
but I'm telling them it's me.

435
00:16:57.016 --> 00:16:59.436
Of course, that went nowhere.
Jody goes, "Yeah,

436
00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.646
I'm in New York.
Come over, man. We're over
at these girls' house."

437
00:17:01.730 --> 00:17:03.773
I said, "Why don't we just
put a group together?

438
00:17:03.857 --> 00:17:06.401
Yeah, forget this shit
with these girls."
So we're like drunk.

439
00:17:06.484 --> 00:17:08.528
The girls go, "Hey, we're going
to go out and get some food,

440
00:17:08.611 --> 00:17:11.239
and we'll be back later."
We ran out of the place,

441
00:17:11.322 --> 00:17:13.616
jumped into a cab. I said
"We're going to Trenton,"

442
00:17:13.700 --> 00:17:15.702
and I called my friend,
Bob Tangrea,

443
00:17:15.785 --> 00:17:17.662
because he was a great singer
and guitar player.

444
00:17:17.746 --> 00:17:19.622
I said, "I put a group
together called Valentine,

445
00:17:19.706 --> 00:17:21.583
and we'll get the three
best lead singers I know.

446
00:17:21.666 --> 00:17:24.419
We'll put together this group."
So it will be Jody,

447
00:17:24.502 --> 00:17:26.796
Bobby, and myself, overnight.

448
00:17:27.672 --> 00:17:30.383
These girls are probably
still sitting there
with the groceries.

449
00:17:30.467 --> 00:17:33.762
[Bob]
We formed Valentine,
and we actually had a manager,

450
00:17:33.845 --> 00:17:36.598
who was Robin Garb
and Bill Ring.
They were our managers.

451
00:17:36.681 --> 00:17:38.850
They had a company
called Ascension Artists,

452
00:17:39.350 --> 00:17:42.270
and, uh, they signed us
to a deal,

453
00:17:42.353 --> 00:17:45.482
and we started working at,
you know, local clubs.

454
00:17:45.565 --> 00:17:48.526
[Frank]
We played Kenny's Castaways,
and my brother was there,

455
00:17:48.610 --> 00:17:50.236
which was like 2.50 to get in.

456
00:17:50.320 --> 00:17:52.155
"We'll just carry
some equipment."

457
00:17:52.238 --> 00:17:53.948
I said, "Yeah, they're
with us, the roadies."

458
00:17:54.032 --> 00:17:55.200
It was 2.50. You know,

459
00:17:55.283 --> 00:17:56.910
it shows how good he was doing.

460
00:17:57.786 --> 00:18:00.538
Now we're in New Jersey.
We played at this club
a 130 nights,

461
00:18:00.622 --> 00:18:03.666
and every Wednesday, this place
was packed into the street.

462
00:18:03.750 --> 00:18:05.710
I went to see those guys a lot.
I went to see him
in Philadelphia.

463
00:18:05.794 --> 00:18:07.587
I went to see him in a place
called Charlie's Uncle

464
00:18:07.670 --> 00:18:09.964
in Brunswick. And...
saw him a couple of places

465
00:18:10.048 --> 00:18:11.883
in New York, I believe, too,
and, uh...

466
00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:14.886
You know, it was always a lot
of fun, always very exciting.

467
00:18:15.553 --> 00:18:17.388
I got called
in one night as a sub.

468
00:18:17.472 --> 00:18:20.058
They were nice enough to give
this young 18-year-old kid

469
00:18:20.141 --> 00:18:22.268
a chance to come up and play,
and they would call me up
and play with them

470
00:18:22.352 --> 00:18:23.728
once in a while,
and it was a big deal for me.

471
00:18:23.812 --> 00:18:25.980
I did, I got up and played
a couple sets,

472
00:18:26.064 --> 00:18:27.524
you know? We had a good time.

473
00:18:28.399 --> 00:18:29.776
[Frank]
My manager says,
"We finally got you

474
00:18:29.859 --> 00:18:31.486
a record deal on PolyGram,

475
00:18:31.569 --> 00:18:34.405
and we're going to be going
out to California to record."

476
00:18:34.489 --> 00:18:37.992
Everyone in town is so excited,
Valentine got signed.

477
00:18:38.076 --> 00:18:41.287
I get a phone call,
"Ah, deal fell through."

478
00:18:41.371 --> 00:18:42.956
I go, "Excuse me?"

479
00:18:43.540 --> 00:18:46.584
He goes, "There's no deal.
We're not going to California."

480
00:18:46.668 --> 00:18:49.546
I go, "Wait a second,
last night we had

481
00:18:49.629 --> 00:18:52.423
hundreds of people,
a bon voyage party with a keg.

482
00:18:52.841 --> 00:18:54.801
We canceled all our gigs.

483
00:18:54.884 --> 00:18:57.470
And you're telling me,
as I'm opening the door

484
00:18:57.554 --> 00:19:00.139
to go to the airport,
the gig's off?"

485
00:19:00.223 --> 00:19:02.225
That would have made
most people just say,

486
00:19:02.308 --> 00:19:04.185
"You know what?
I can't do this anymore."

487
00:19:04.269 --> 00:19:06.062
But we didn't, we just
got stronger and stronger.

488
00:19:06.980 --> 00:19:10.024
Then I get a call
in 1975 from my brother.

489
00:19:10.108 --> 00:19:13.111
My brother had moved
to California.

490
00:19:13.653 --> 00:19:17.156
He is starting a little
movie called, Rocky,

491
00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:20.034
and says... [with deep voice]
"I need a song."

492
00:19:20.118 --> 00:19:22.996
Why he called me?
Because there was no budget.

493
00:19:23.496 --> 00:19:25.915
I remember just sitting there
going... ♪ Take you back ♪

494
00:19:25.999 --> 00:19:28.585
[hums] on my guitar,
just figuring something out.

495
00:19:29.168 --> 00:19:31.880
And eventually,
I wrote the song.

496
00:19:31.963 --> 00:19:34.090
So I tell my group, I said,
"Listen, my brother's

497
00:19:34.173 --> 00:19:36.467
doing this movie about boxing."

498
00:19:37.552 --> 00:19:39.345
So they said, "I don't know
if we want to play.

499
00:19:39.429 --> 00:19:41.180
We're making
140 bucks that night."

500
00:19:41.264 --> 00:19:42.932
That's between five people.

501
00:19:43.016 --> 00:19:46.019
Five people at a 140 bucks,
and the manager takes 20%,

502
00:19:46.102 --> 00:19:48.688
so take $28 off that.

503
00:19:48.771 --> 00:19:52.734
So it's $112 divided by five.
So it was a big night.

504
00:19:52.817 --> 00:19:55.111
It was like a bowling alley
that had a stage.

505
00:19:55.194 --> 00:19:57.739
There was supposed to be hot
chicks there. We get a call,

506
00:19:57.822 --> 00:19:59.949
and Sly goes, "Well, yeah,
we can pay you a 140."

507
00:20:00.033 --> 00:20:01.618
I said, "Well,
we're getting 140."

508
00:20:01.701 --> 00:20:03.453
I mean... [stutters] he goes,
"No, each."

509
00:20:03.536 --> 00:20:04.537
We go, "Excuse me?"

510
00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:06.706
That's like a month's
wages for us.

511
00:20:07.290 --> 00:20:08.958
It was very cool.
We all went down together

512
00:20:09.042 --> 00:20:10.752
in our van, got a little ripped,

513
00:20:10.835 --> 00:20:12.045
and we stood around
those trash cans

514
00:20:12.128 --> 00:20:13.171
singing "Take You Back."

515
00:20:13.254 --> 00:20:14.297
♪ Take you back ♪

516
00:20:14.964 --> 00:20:17.467
♪ Do do do do
Take you back ♪

517
00:20:17.550 --> 00:20:20.053
[Frank]
They showed me at the hotel,
some trailers,

518
00:20:20.136 --> 00:20:22.263
of what they'd shot.
Really low budget.

519
00:20:22.347 --> 00:20:24.515
It was a cheap hotel.
And I remember

520
00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:26.559
John Avildsen, the director,
was there,

521
00:20:26.643 --> 00:20:28.895
and my brother,
and a few other people,

522
00:20:28.978 --> 00:20:30.146
And they're looking
at daily's. I said,

523
00:20:30.229 --> 00:20:32.231
"Man, this is really cool."

524
00:20:32.315 --> 00:20:34.025
There was feeling
I had about it.

525
00:20:34.108 --> 00:20:36.152
Even when they were shooting it
on the street,

526
00:20:36.235 --> 00:20:38.071
there was a feeling
I had about it.

527
00:20:38.154 --> 00:20:39.989
You know, it's a gut feeling.
I can't explain it,

528
00:20:40.073 --> 00:20:41.824
because I hadn't seen the movie.

529
00:20:41.908 --> 00:20:44.452
But just the idea,
it was just kind of cool.

530
00:20:44.535 --> 00:20:46.871
The-- Just vibe that was
going on was really cool.

531
00:20:46.955 --> 00:20:48.873
[Bill]
When Rocky was being shot,

532
00:20:48.957 --> 00:20:51.376
I was, more or less,
around the project,

533
00:20:52.126 --> 00:20:54.671
and could see
some of the assemblages.

534
00:20:54.754 --> 00:20:55.922
You know,
they put stuff together.

535
00:20:56.631 --> 00:20:59.717
And, uh, not the timing,
just assembled.

536
00:20:59.801 --> 00:21:03.596
And then I saw "Take You Back,"
which was like,

537
00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.057
"How did this get here?
What is this?

538
00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:07.725
Man, that's really good.
I like that."

539
00:21:07.809 --> 00:21:10.687
"Oh, yeah, yeah,
Sly's brother did that."

540
00:21:10.770 --> 00:21:13.106
I go, "Really?
I didn't know that."

541
00:21:13.189 --> 00:21:15.858
And that was my introduction
to Frank as a singer.

542
00:21:15.942 --> 00:21:18.987
Frank came along with
all the talent that Sly had.

543
00:21:19.070 --> 00:21:22.365
[Sylvester]
He knew those streets,
and he did sing around barrels,

544
00:21:22.448 --> 00:21:24.409
and he did do acapella,

545
00:21:24.492 --> 00:21:26.786
so he was extremely

546
00:21:26.869 --> 00:21:30.081
original and authentic
for that part.

547
00:21:30.164 --> 00:21:33.459
And the attitude
that you saw between us, like,

548
00:21:33.543 --> 00:21:35.962
"Hey, the bum from the dock.

549
00:21:36.045 --> 00:21:37.046
Get a job, you bum."

550
00:21:37.130 --> 00:21:38.798
That's the way we are.

551
00:21:38.881 --> 00:21:41.259
We was just, you know,
always ripping on one another.

552
00:21:41.342 --> 00:21:42.468
-Hey.
-Hey,

553
00:21:43.177 --> 00:21:46.097
the bum from the dock.
Get a job, you bum.

554
00:21:46.597 --> 00:21:49.142
[Frank]
There was a premiere
in New York City

555
00:21:49.225 --> 00:21:52.478
at the theater where Sly
was the head usher for years.

556
00:21:52.562 --> 00:21:54.188
And I have a photo.

557
00:21:54.272 --> 00:21:57.483
We're standing there in really
cheesy polyester suits.

558
00:21:57.567 --> 00:22:00.069
I mean, we didn't have
any money, but that photo

559
00:22:00.153 --> 00:22:03.823
is the last photo
of him being unknown.

560
00:22:03.906 --> 00:22:06.284
From that day on ,it was crazy.

561
00:22:06.367 --> 00:22:11.956
[Sylvester]
That was the last vestiges
of privacy ever, which is fine.

562
00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:15.084
I'm fine with it... [chuckles]
but to obscure is one thing,

563
00:22:15.168 --> 00:22:17.045
but it's nice to be
remembered for something.

564
00:22:17.128 --> 00:22:21.299
But, my brother, we were, you
know, together at that moment.

565
00:22:21.382 --> 00:22:24.385
So that was, that's pretty,
uh, pretty seismic.

566
00:22:26.804 --> 00:22:29.307
[Frank]
All of a sudden, overnight,
everything is Rocky.

567
00:22:29.390 --> 00:22:31.768
This movie is getting heat.

568
00:22:31.851 --> 00:22:33.811
[Peter]
When that whole effect happened,
and all of a sudden,

569
00:22:33.895 --> 00:22:37.231
we were the band singing
that song on the street corner,

570
00:22:38.399 --> 00:22:42.111
our management was able to go
into RCA Records and say,

571
00:22:42.195 --> 00:22:43.738
"Don't you want them
to have an album deal?

572
00:22:43.821 --> 00:22:45.740
Because they're in what's
looking to be like

573
00:22:45.823 --> 00:22:47.742
probably the best movie
of the year."

574
00:22:47.825 --> 00:22:49.494
So we got an album deal.

575
00:22:50.203 --> 00:22:52.497
[Bob]
The person who produced
the album was Tony Camilio.

576
00:22:52.580 --> 00:22:54.499
He came up
with an arrangement to do

577
00:22:54.582 --> 00:22:56.000
an orchestrated version
of "Take You Back."

578
00:22:56.084 --> 00:22:57.710
That's what
we released as a single.

579
00:22:57.794 --> 00:23:00.379
And as soon as
we released the album,

580
00:23:00.463 --> 00:23:04.300
the whole regime of RCA was...
[clicks tongue] was cut.

581
00:23:04.383 --> 00:23:06.427
So the people
who were A&R people,

582
00:23:06.511 --> 00:23:09.347
who would be doing promotion,
weren't there anymore.

583
00:23:09.430 --> 00:23:11.474
So we were kind
of like thrown under the rug.

584
00:23:11.557 --> 00:23:13.142
After Rocky was out,
it kind of gave us

585
00:23:13.226 --> 00:23:14.477
a little impetus to get moving,

586
00:23:14.560 --> 00:23:16.229
since we didn't
have RCA behind us.

587
00:23:16.312 --> 00:23:18.439
So our management
got us spots on,

588
00:23:18.523 --> 00:23:20.942
The Mike Douglas Show,
The Jim Nabors Show,

589
00:23:21.025 --> 00:23:22.443
but we also did
Midnight Special,

590
00:23:22.527 --> 00:23:24.737
which was a big rock
and roll show back then.

591
00:23:24.821 --> 00:23:26.864
[Bill Ring]
Dinah! was the very first one.

592
00:23:26.948 --> 00:23:29.617
Sly introduced us
as his favorite band.

593
00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:31.160
I wonder if that's
still the case?

594
00:23:31.244 --> 00:23:33.204
Here they are, and making their,
I guess,

595
00:23:33.287 --> 00:23:36.541
television debut,
my favorite group, Valentine.

596
00:23:36.624 --> 00:23:39.210
-[audience applauds]
-[Dinah speaks indistinctly]

597
00:23:42.630 --> 00:23:44.006
♪ Take you back ♪

598
00:23:44.090 --> 00:23:45.550
♪ Do do do do ♪

599
00:23:45.633 --> 00:23:46.968
♪ Take you back, yeah, yeah ♪

600
00:23:47.051 --> 00:23:48.636
[Frank]
Right after we'd play,

601
00:23:48.719 --> 00:23:51.556
I'd go over to the couch,
and everything went to,

602
00:23:51.639 --> 00:23:53.391
"Hey, Frank,
the group sounds great.

603
00:23:53.474 --> 00:23:55.810
So what's it
like being Rocky's brother?

604
00:23:55.893 --> 00:23:58.604
So what's it like... [mumbles]
being in the shadow?"

605
00:23:58.688 --> 00:24:01.149
So all this started,
and I'd never had that before.

606
00:24:01.232 --> 00:24:03.484
They thought I was a nice,
cute kid or something,

607
00:24:03.568 --> 00:24:04.902
but really,
they couldn't get him,

608
00:24:04.986 --> 00:24:06.529
so they'd get me,
ask me about him.

609
00:24:06.612 --> 00:24:10.533
I was always thought
of as Frank Stallone, musician.

610
00:24:10.616 --> 00:24:12.994
It was always Frank Stallone,
clap, musician.

611
00:24:13.744 --> 00:24:15.621
So now it was Frank Stallone/

612
00:24:15.705 --> 00:24:18.666
Rocky's brother/something else
then musician.

613
00:24:18.749 --> 00:24:22.044
He's gone through hell.
I mean, they would put signs up,

614
00:24:22.128 --> 00:24:24.547
"Appearing tonight,
Rocky's brother."

615
00:24:25.715 --> 00:24:28.843
I recognized immediately,
that's real awkward for Frank.

616
00:24:29.594 --> 00:24:31.345
Especially
as I've heard him say,

617
00:24:31.429 --> 00:24:33.806
"To be the brother
of a fictional character."

618
00:24:33.890 --> 00:24:36.976
"Rocky's brother,"
oh, man, come on.

619
00:24:37.059 --> 00:24:38.811
It's so degrading.

620
00:24:38.895 --> 00:24:40.563
And not about the movie,
I love the movie.

621
00:24:40.646 --> 00:24:42.231
It's just that,
it's like I felt like

622
00:24:42.315 --> 00:24:44.150
a complete and absolute failure.

623
00:24:44.233 --> 00:24:47.695
I would be bitter,
but he is bitter,

624
00:24:47.778 --> 00:24:49.864
and I like that about him.
He's very consistent.

625
00:24:49.947 --> 00:24:51.574
[Frank]
I was never mad at my brother.

626
00:24:51.657 --> 00:24:53.117
I always loved what he did.

627
00:24:53.201 --> 00:24:55.661
I was kind of mad that
I was being discounted,

628
00:24:55.745 --> 00:24:57.705
and treated in a way
that like I just picked up

629
00:24:57.788 --> 00:25:00.374
the guitar when Rocky
came out, not knowing

630
00:25:00.458 --> 00:25:02.418
the years of driving
through blizzards

631
00:25:02.501 --> 00:25:05.713
to go to gigs for no money,
and just learning the trade.

632
00:25:05.796 --> 00:25:07.673
We knew where the cards
were starting to go

633
00:25:07.757 --> 00:25:09.717
once we started
to show up at gigs.

634
00:25:09.800 --> 00:25:12.762
And to highlight the connection,
a club owner would say,

635
00:25:12.845 --> 00:25:14.972
"Frank Stallone with Valentine."

636
00:25:15.056 --> 00:25:17.516
[Bill Ring]
The guys in the band
weren't happy about it.

637
00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:19.936
It was source of some
frustration and friction.

638
00:25:20.019 --> 00:25:21.687
We went with it, and

639
00:25:21.771 --> 00:25:24.649
Frank became more featured,
doing more lead vocals.

640
00:25:24.732 --> 00:25:26.567
The rest of the guys
didn't get as much

641
00:25:26.651 --> 00:25:28.653
time featured, with--
you know, in the band.

642
00:25:28.736 --> 00:25:31.239
[Robin]
It was too tempting,
and too much of...

643
00:25:31.322 --> 00:25:32.907
[stutters]
of a thing to turn down,

644
00:25:32.990 --> 00:25:34.533
the notoriety, the success,

645
00:25:34.617 --> 00:25:37.370
but it created
a problem within the band,

646
00:25:37.453 --> 00:25:39.372
and the band didn't blame
Frank for that.

647
00:25:39.455 --> 00:25:42.124
Nobody was resentful at Frank,
because they recognized

648
00:25:42.208 --> 00:25:44.126
that Frank was
in a bad situation that way.

649
00:25:45.253 --> 00:25:47.588
[Bob] I think it went
to Frank's head a little bit.
I don't know if he was, uh,

650
00:25:47.672 --> 00:25:50.591
he was a little hard to work
with, let's put it that way.

651
00:25:50.675 --> 00:25:52.718
It was a very dismal time.

652
00:25:52.802 --> 00:25:56.305
Very dismal because
this was kind of our shot.

653
00:25:56.389 --> 00:25:57.932
We'd lost our record deal.

654
00:25:58.015 --> 00:25:59.267
Nobody really wanted us.

655
00:25:59.350 --> 00:26:01.060
That was a tough
pill to swallow.

656
00:26:01.143 --> 00:26:03.020
And then it just kind of...

657
00:26:04.188 --> 00:26:05.606
...it kind of deflated.

658
00:26:07.275 --> 00:26:08.859
[Bob]
Frank can be moody.

659
00:26:09.318 --> 00:26:10.653
We would come to a gig,
and it was like,

660
00:26:10.736 --> 00:26:12.697
"Hey, Frank, how you doing?"
He was like,

661
00:26:12.780 --> 00:26:13.656
he wouldn't even say anything.

662
00:26:13.739 --> 00:26:15.825
Yeah, we had some tense moments.

663
00:26:15.908 --> 00:26:17.410
It got a little out of hand,
and I think

664
00:26:17.493 --> 00:26:19.120
maybe the competition
with his brother

665
00:26:19.203 --> 00:26:21.622
maybe brought out
some bad things.

666
00:26:21.706 --> 00:26:24.458
Uh, and it just-- I just
didn't want to take it

667
00:26:24.542 --> 00:26:25.835
anymore,
and I was a little fed up.

668
00:26:26.919 --> 00:26:28.754
I regret breaking up Valentine,

669
00:26:28.838 --> 00:26:30.339
because I think
we could've gotten past it.

670
00:26:30.423 --> 00:26:31.966
We were really a good band.

671
00:26:32.049 --> 00:26:34.343
We were really tight,
and we were friends.

672
00:26:34.427 --> 00:26:36.846
I just couldn't take
the moodiness anymore.

673
00:26:36.929 --> 00:26:38.556
And they tried to get me
back to reform the band,

674
00:26:38.639 --> 00:26:41.309
and I just said no, so.

675
00:26:41.392 --> 00:26:42.518
But I do regret it.

676
00:26:43.602 --> 00:26:45.479
[Bill Ring]
It would be a nice thing
to be able to put

677
00:26:45.563 --> 00:26:48.107
a Valentine reunion together,
if we could make it happen.

678
00:26:48.190 --> 00:26:50.359
Somehow bring Jody back,
that would be the best.

679
00:26:52.028 --> 00:26:55.031
[somber music]

680
00:26:55.114 --> 00:26:57.533
Jody, our bass player, um,

681
00:26:58.451 --> 00:27:00.369
unfortunately,
just recently passed.

682
00:27:00.453 --> 00:27:02.705
Amazing guy,
amazing bass player.

683
00:27:03.164 --> 00:27:04.707
Uh, him and I were very,
very tight.

684
00:27:04.790 --> 00:27:06.667
We played a lot
of gigs together.

685
00:27:06.751 --> 00:27:09.962
[Robin]
He had a service
in Pennsylvania.

686
00:27:10.046 --> 00:27:11.547
Frank had another commitment.

687
00:27:12.256 --> 00:27:15.885
And I thought that
that would be the moment
where we would reconnect.

688
00:27:15.968 --> 00:27:17.928
[Bill Ring]
I know that there was an issue

689
00:27:18.012 --> 00:27:20.222
that surfaced with Robin.

690
00:27:20.306 --> 00:27:21.640
Would it be nice
for the three of us

691
00:27:21.724 --> 00:27:23.267
to be able
to get together again?

692
00:27:23.351 --> 00:27:25.394
Absolutely,
and I would hope we could bury

693
00:27:25.478 --> 00:27:27.313
whatever hatchet, uh,

694
00:27:27.938 --> 00:27:29.857
Frank feels needs to be buried.

695
00:27:30.608 --> 00:27:31.734
[Robin]
We parted company.

696
00:27:31.817 --> 00:27:34.153
It wasn't on the best of terms.

697
00:27:34.528 --> 00:27:36.030
But, um, I love the guy.

698
00:27:36.655 --> 00:27:37.740
I really miss him,

699
00:27:38.407 --> 00:27:40.409
and I miss his humor.

700
00:27:40.910 --> 00:27:43.954
I miss just being
with him as a friend.

701
00:27:44.038 --> 00:27:46.207
[somber music continues]

702
00:27:46.290 --> 00:27:47.375
[Frank]
Oh, man.

703
00:27:48.125 --> 00:27:53.255
I haven't seen these guitars...
in almost 40 years.

704
00:27:54.006 --> 00:27:55.424
This is just kind of weird.

705
00:27:56.467 --> 00:27:57.760
I don't know
how I'm going to feel.

706
00:27:58.803 --> 00:28:02.431
But I know, like when Jody died,

707
00:28:03.224 --> 00:28:05.267
I didn't want to see
these guitars that,

708
00:28:05.976 --> 00:28:08.604
from the guy that stood
on my left side for almost,

709
00:28:09.355 --> 00:28:10.981
off and on, 20-some years,

710
00:28:11.732 --> 00:28:15.403
go to some like wedding band,
you know?

711
00:28:15.486 --> 00:28:16.779
Oh, my God.

712
00:28:18.489 --> 00:28:19.532
-Wow.
-[knife clatters]

713
00:28:20.699 --> 00:28:21.617
Look at this.

714
00:28:22.785 --> 00:28:25.538
-Look at this, man.
-[guitar case clatters]

715
00:28:25.621 --> 00:28:26.622
Look at this case.

716
00:28:26.705 --> 00:28:27.957
All the names on it.

717
00:28:28.874 --> 00:28:29.959
All our friends.

718
00:28:31.335 --> 00:28:32.378
[Frank exhales loudly]

719
00:28:32.461 --> 00:28:33.462
[guitar case clatters]

720
00:28:33.546 --> 00:28:35.172
Oh, God, look at this.

721
00:28:36.465 --> 00:28:39.218
That's a 1963
Höfner Beatle Bass.

722
00:28:39.927 --> 00:28:42.221
Wow! Look at this.

723
00:28:43.556 --> 00:28:45.724
Man, this is the bass he used

724
00:28:45.808 --> 00:28:48.185
when we did our
first album for RCA.

725
00:28:48.269 --> 00:28:50.146
This reminds me of, you know,
my youth.

726
00:28:52.773 --> 00:28:53.649
[Frank]
Oh, my God.

727
00:28:54.525 --> 00:28:56.527
Hey, Bill. How you doing, man?

728
00:28:57.153 --> 00:28:58.529
Oh, my God, look at this guy.

729
00:28:58.612 --> 00:29:00.239
-Are you crazy?
-[Frank] Hey, Robin.

730
00:29:00.322 --> 00:29:01.740
-[Robin laughs]
-How are you, man?

731
00:29:01.824 --> 00:29:03.200
How you doing, man?

732
00:29:03.951 --> 00:29:07.496
I know the last time I saw you
these weren't in CD,

733
00:29:07.580 --> 00:29:10.249
-so there you go, and this.
-[Robin laughs]

734
00:29:10.332 --> 00:29:11.667
-Oh, man.
-Oh, my God.

735
00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:12.710
Geez.

736
00:29:12.793 --> 00:29:14.670
This has been a long time, man.

737
00:29:14.753 --> 00:29:16.964
This was the team,
this is... [stutters]

738
00:29:17.047 --> 00:29:20.009
...this is the team here,
and we're going to have
a lot of fun, man, tonight.

739
00:29:20.092 --> 00:29:22.136
This bass guitar belonged to

740
00:29:22.219 --> 00:29:24.221
one of my best friends.
He just died.

741
00:29:24.305 --> 00:29:26.307
I wanted to honor
with him tonight,

742
00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:28.851
Hussein, playing Jody's bass.

743
00:29:28.934 --> 00:29:30.060
"I'll Take You Back."

744
00:29:30.144 --> 00:29:32.396
[audience applauds]

745
00:29:33.606 --> 00:29:35.191
♪ Take you back ♪

746
00:29:35.274 --> 00:29:36.775
♪ Do do do do ♪

747
00:29:36.859 --> 00:29:39.612
♪ Take you back ♪

748
00:29:39.695 --> 00:29:41.113
-[man] One, two, three.
-♪ Take you back ♪

749
00:29:41.197 --> 00:29:43.199
♪ Do do do do ♪

750
00:29:43.282 --> 00:29:45.409
♪ Take you back ♪

751
00:29:45.493 --> 00:29:47.411
♪ Well I've been told by... ♪

752
00:29:47.495 --> 00:29:50.206
[gentle instrumental music]

753
00:29:50.289 --> 00:29:51.957
[Frank]
I think after I did Rocky,
I might have had

754
00:29:52.041 --> 00:29:53.792
maybe had $1,000 saved,

755
00:29:53.876 --> 00:29:56.545
and I was back to square one
with nothing, no money.

756
00:29:56.629 --> 00:29:59.089
So I ended up playing
at these little clubs

757
00:29:59.173 --> 00:30:01.008
by myself
with an acoustic guitar.

758
00:30:01.091 --> 00:30:02.510
I mean, motor inns.

759
00:30:02.593 --> 00:30:04.261
And the worst thing
is the signs.

760
00:30:04.345 --> 00:30:07.014
Like in chalk, "Frank Stallone,
Rocky's brother,

761
00:30:07.097 --> 00:30:08.516
Straight from Rocky."

762
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.100
And I made $30 a night.

763
00:30:10.184 --> 00:30:12.186
It wasn't so much being
the folk singer,

764
00:30:12.269 --> 00:30:14.396
it was the thing like,
"Rocky's brother,

765
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.273
well, what is he doing
playing here?

766
00:30:16.357 --> 00:30:18.776
Shouldn't he be in California,
and shouldn't he be driving

767
00:30:18.859 --> 00:30:21.362
a new car, or a Vette,
or something cool?"

768
00:30:21.445 --> 00:30:22.655
-No.
-[car engine revs]

769
00:30:22.738 --> 00:30:24.281
And in between that, I came out,

770
00:30:24.365 --> 00:30:26.575
and I sang in Paradise Alley,

771
00:30:26.659 --> 00:30:28.202
but also, I did Rocky II.

772
00:30:30.162 --> 00:30:34.083
[Talia]
Frank was working with his trio,

773
00:30:34.166 --> 00:30:36.669
and it was rather beautiful.

774
00:30:36.752 --> 00:30:39.922
Sort of like a,
a chorus of musicians

775
00:30:40.005 --> 00:30:43.008
that sort of sang
the love song of Adrian

776
00:30:43.092 --> 00:30:45.219
and Rocky along the way,

777
00:30:45.719 --> 00:30:47.304
and it... [stutters]

778
00:30:47.388 --> 00:30:51.141
...it gave the piece a kind
of tone, a fairytale tone.

779
00:30:51.850 --> 00:30:54.311
And I would look over at Frank,
and he was...

780
00:30:55.354 --> 00:30:59.525
First of all, he's very
handsome, and very gifted.

781
00:30:59.608 --> 00:31:01.402
And I would look over at him,
and it was

782
00:31:01.485 --> 00:31:03.571
always a pure moment with Frank,

783
00:31:03.654 --> 00:31:07.866
because Frank
clearly was a real musician.

784
00:31:07.950 --> 00:31:11.161
♪ There are two kinds of love ♪

785
00:31:11.245 --> 00:31:13.497
♪ That you oughta know ♪

786
00:31:13.581 --> 00:31:17.293
♪ There are two kinds of love ♪

787
00:31:17.376 --> 00:31:18.711
[Burt]
He flipped a quarter.

788
00:31:18.794 --> 00:31:20.296
He made that little song

789
00:31:20.379 --> 00:31:22.131
very warm, very great.

790
00:31:22.673 --> 00:31:24.008
It was wonderful.

791
00:31:24.091 --> 00:31:25.718
He contributes a lot, you know?

792
00:31:26.510 --> 00:31:29.138
He's... he's good
to have around.

793
00:31:29.221 --> 00:31:31.473
[gentle instrumental music]

794
00:31:31.557 --> 00:31:34.935
[punching bag thuds]

795
00:31:36.645 --> 00:31:39.023
Frank,
unbeknownst to a lot of people,

796
00:31:39.106 --> 00:31:40.441
has a huge boxing background.

797
00:31:40.524 --> 00:31:42.359
[inspiring instrumental music]

798
00:31:42.943 --> 00:31:46.697
[Joe]
Frank just took to it,
and developed as a fighter.

799
00:31:46.780 --> 00:31:49.825
He had a good corner,
had a terrific left hook.

800
00:31:49.908 --> 00:31:52.870
He was very faithful
to his training.
No smoking or drinking.

801
00:31:52.953 --> 00:31:55.789
And had several great
amateur fights

802
00:31:55.873 --> 00:31:59.126
against some very,
very tough competition.

803
00:31:59.209 --> 00:32:00.878
[inspiring instrumental
music continues]

804
00:32:00.961 --> 00:32:02.921
[crowd cheers]

805
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.764
[Chuck]
When he was fighting also,
he didn't have to wear headgear.

806
00:32:11.847 --> 00:32:13.891
And you know what?
There is no difference between

807
00:32:13.974 --> 00:32:16.310
professional and amateur,

808
00:32:16.393 --> 00:32:18.187
only that professionals
get paid.

809
00:32:18.646 --> 00:32:21.231
you still get punched
in the face a dozen times.

810
00:32:21.315 --> 00:32:23.317
-[bell rings]
-You're still taking the abuse.

811
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:24.902
-[crowd cheers]
-[Joe] He was a contender.

812
00:32:24.985 --> 00:32:26.487
He's got the fighters eye,

813
00:32:26.570 --> 00:32:28.238
and you only get
that if you were a fighter,

814
00:32:28.322 --> 00:32:30.574
if you've been
in that ring more than once,

815
00:32:30.658 --> 00:32:32.409
and he was in there
quite a few times.

816
00:32:33.911 --> 00:32:37.081
[Bruce]
Frank is an extremely cerebral
and intelligent man.

817
00:32:37.164 --> 00:32:38.832
I don't think there's
any question you can throw

818
00:32:38.916 --> 00:32:41.210
at Frank Stallone about boxing
that he can't answer.

819
00:32:41.293 --> 00:32:42.711
He's a plethora of knowledge.

820
00:32:42.795 --> 00:32:44.797
And what I love
about being around Frank is,

821
00:32:45.297 --> 00:32:47.216
aside from the fact,
and I love you Frank,

822
00:32:47.299 --> 00:32:48.509
but he will never stop talking,

823
00:32:48.592 --> 00:32:50.135
but everything he talks about

824
00:32:50.219 --> 00:32:51.220
make sense.

825
00:32:51.303 --> 00:32:53.013
He's full of information.

826
00:32:53.097 --> 00:32:55.349
[laughs] He,

827
00:32:55.432 --> 00:32:57.434
he's got a lot
of stories to tell,

828
00:32:58.185 --> 00:32:59.603
and he's fun to listen to.

829
00:32:59.687 --> 00:33:02.064
He has the best memory.

830
00:33:02.147 --> 00:33:04.274
Um, sometimes Sly and Frank
get into battles,

831
00:33:04.358 --> 00:33:06.402
but I always believed Frank,

832
00:33:06.485 --> 00:33:09.905
because he always comes up
with the story that's correct,

833
00:33:09.988 --> 00:33:11.365
and I'm going with Frank.

834
00:33:11.448 --> 00:33:14.159
[Gene]
Frank, as a boxing historian,

835
00:33:14.243 --> 00:33:17.287
this man knows
more than anybody,

836
00:33:17.371 --> 00:33:19.707
plus he's got total recall.

837
00:33:19.790 --> 00:33:25.379
I've got dementia,
so I can't remember my losses,

838
00:33:25.462 --> 00:33:26.714
only my wins.

839
00:33:27.548 --> 00:33:32.302
Frank had that knowledge
that savant every detail.

840
00:33:32.386 --> 00:33:35.514
One argument ended, "Well,
this guy did this and this,"

841
00:33:35.597 --> 00:33:38.225
and then Frank goes, "Well,
I have all his press clippings.

842
00:33:38.308 --> 00:33:40.602
I have his trunks, his robe,
and his gun."

843
00:33:40.686 --> 00:33:41.645
[Joe laughs]

844
00:33:41.729 --> 00:33:43.188
Frank's a very tough individual.

845
00:33:43.272 --> 00:33:44.857
I mean, he's a warrior
in his own right.

846
00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:46.358
Even if it gets down
to the fight he had

847
00:33:46.442 --> 00:33:47.776
with Geraldo Rivera
on Howard Stern

848
00:33:47.860 --> 00:33:49.361
years ago, that my brother,

849
00:33:49.445 --> 00:33:50.863
the legendary Michael Buffer,
announced,

850
00:33:50.946 --> 00:33:52.281
they went in there,
and they slugged it out

851
00:33:52.364 --> 00:33:53.532
for those three
two minute rounds.

852
00:33:53.615 --> 00:33:55.534
Back in 1992, I owned

853
00:33:55.617 --> 00:33:57.578
a boxing gym on 57th Street

854
00:33:57.661 --> 00:33:59.538
right here in Manhattan
just behind me.

855
00:33:59.621 --> 00:34:01.415
It was called
the Broadcast Boxing Gym.

856
00:34:01.498 --> 00:34:03.667
And so I was talking about it
on The Howard Stern Show,

857
00:34:03.751 --> 00:34:05.627
and he said, "I'm going
to promote a fight.

858
00:34:05.711 --> 00:34:07.254
You're going to be
in this fight."

859
00:34:07.337 --> 00:34:09.798
So it turned out that
he had Frank Stallone lined up.

860
00:34:09.882 --> 00:34:11.884
I mean, Frank Stallone,
he's a younger,

861
00:34:11.967 --> 00:34:13.469
far better fighter than me,
all right?

862
00:34:13.552 --> 00:34:15.137
Frank was semi-pro.

863
00:34:15.220 --> 00:34:17.556
I was just a flailer
in my own gym.

864
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.851
In the first round, he hit me
with some of those shots.

865
00:34:20.934 --> 00:34:23.061
They felt like he was hitting me
with a baseball bat.

866
00:34:23.145 --> 00:34:25.063
I remember a couple of times,

867
00:34:25.147 --> 00:34:27.065
that I really was knocked out

868
00:34:27.149 --> 00:34:29.193
-on my feet.
-[Bas] When you see
the boxing match,

869
00:34:29.276 --> 00:34:30.819
it's actually
a really good boxing match.

870
00:34:30.903 --> 00:34:32.362
These guys were
really going at it.

871
00:34:32.446 --> 00:34:34.072
There's no losing.
You can't lose,

872
00:34:34.156 --> 00:34:36.033
because, you know, it's the
name. It's the Stallone name,

873
00:34:36.116 --> 00:34:37.785
so he better be good in boxing.

874
00:34:37.868 --> 00:34:40.204
But he beat Geraldo,
and to do that under pressure

875
00:34:40.287 --> 00:34:41.747
for a charity event

876
00:34:41.830 --> 00:34:43.332
shows you what kind
of guy he is.

877
00:34:43.415 --> 00:34:45.417
Frank Stallone, a real man,

878
00:34:45.501 --> 00:34:48.587
a real man, a real fighter,
and a, and a great guy.

879
00:34:48.670 --> 00:34:51.590
[dramatic instrumental music]

880
00:34:53.842 --> 00:34:57.513
[somber instrumental music]

881
00:34:58.347 --> 00:35:00.432
[Frank]
I was getting really depressed,

882
00:35:00.516 --> 00:35:02.601
and I had to get
some psychotherapy,

883
00:35:02.684 --> 00:35:04.102
and my brother paid for it.

884
00:35:04.728 --> 00:35:06.647
He says, you know, he says,
"He's my only brother.

885
00:35:06.730 --> 00:35:07.898
He's just going through
something." He knew

886
00:35:07.981 --> 00:35:09.358
I suffered from panic attacks,

887
00:35:09.441 --> 00:35:11.109
and he took care of it for me,

888
00:35:11.193 --> 00:35:12.861
and it helped.

889
00:35:12.945 --> 00:35:14.947
And then he said,
"Just come to California."

890
00:35:15.030 --> 00:35:17.366
I said, "Really?" He goes,
"Yeah, just come to California."

891
00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:18.867
I said, "Just like that?"
He goes, "Yeah."

892
00:35:19.576 --> 00:35:22.246
My hero was Harry Nilsson,
the singer.

893
00:35:22.329 --> 00:35:25.874
Aerial Ballet, Pandemonium
Shadow Show, loved him.

894
00:35:25.958 --> 00:35:28.001
And Sly, when I moved
to Bel Air, he goes, "Hey,

895
00:35:28.085 --> 00:35:29.753
you know who lives next door?"
I said, "Who's that?"

896
00:35:29.837 --> 00:35:31.713
He goes, "Harry Nilsson."
I go, "What?"

897
00:35:32.339 --> 00:35:35.008
He ended up producing me, and he
never produced anybody before,

898
00:35:35.092 --> 00:35:36.635
just me. So we're in the studio,

899
00:35:36.718 --> 00:35:38.637
and this is the who's
who of recording is in there.

900
00:35:38.720 --> 00:35:41.682
It's Harry Nilsson, producer,
and Van Dyke Parks,

901
00:35:41.765 --> 00:35:43.684
Klaus Voormann,
he played with The Beatles,

902
00:35:43.767 --> 00:35:46.395
Freddy Tackett, all the best
musicians were there,

903
00:35:46.478 --> 00:35:49.857
and all of a sudden, the
talkback goes, "John's dead."

904
00:35:50.482 --> 00:35:51.650
I said, "John who?"

905
00:35:52.317 --> 00:35:53.360
[clicks tongue] "Lennon."

906
00:35:54.027 --> 00:35:55.404
[newsreader]
Former Beatle, John Lennon,

907
00:35:55.487 --> 00:35:56.488
is dead.

908
00:35:57.114 --> 00:35:59.950
Lennon died in a hospital
shortly after being shot

909
00:36:00.033 --> 00:36:02.536
outside his New York
apartment tonight.

910
00:36:02.619 --> 00:36:04.162
[Frank]
Harry Nilsson was
John's best friend,

911
00:36:04.246 --> 00:36:05.914
and they had had a falling out.

912
00:36:05.998 --> 00:36:08.458
Harry was just going to New York
in about a week and a half

913
00:36:08.542 --> 00:36:12.504
to kind of reconcile
their friendship,
so this was really bad.

914
00:36:12.588 --> 00:36:14.256
I'm trying to do a record,
you know?

915
00:36:14.339 --> 00:36:16.466
And people were like... [with
deep voice] "Cry it out, man,"

916
00:36:16.550 --> 00:36:18.218
like blow coming out
of their nose,

917
00:36:18.302 --> 00:36:19.887
and I didn't do that stuff,
so I'm sitting

918
00:36:19.970 --> 00:36:22.014
there like-- I'm there,
"Oh, my God,

919
00:36:22.097 --> 00:36:23.807
the Scotti Brothers
are going to kill me,"

920
00:36:24.433 --> 00:36:26.226
you know, because I'm supposed
to finish this record.

921
00:36:26.310 --> 00:36:29.730
The next day, we get
called into Scotti Brothers.

922
00:36:29.813 --> 00:36:36.320
We play what we have, and it
was dead silence, like this.

923
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:39.197
Are you kidding me?

924
00:36:39.698 --> 00:36:41.742
It was unlistenable.

925
00:36:41.825 --> 00:36:45.162
And Harry's sitting there
sweating with sunglasses on,

926
00:36:45.245 --> 00:36:47.706
like recovering
from the night before.

927
00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:49.333
To be with Harry Nilsson

928
00:36:49.416 --> 00:36:52.836
when John Lennon was killed
was really heavy.

929
00:36:54.046 --> 00:36:56.548
We were good friends, and, uh,
when he passed,

930
00:36:56.632 --> 00:36:59.217
it was very, uh, very sad.

931
00:36:59.801 --> 00:37:02.095
He abused himself,
but he was a wonderful guy.

932
00:37:02.179 --> 00:37:03.138
Just a great artist.

933
00:37:04.348 --> 00:37:06.058
-[engines whirring]
-[horns honking]

934
00:37:06.141 --> 00:37:07.351
[man]
Taxi![whistles]

935
00:37:08.185 --> 00:37:10.312
[Frank]
I don't find out from my
brother, but I find out

936
00:37:10.395 --> 00:37:12.856
that he's directing the sequel
to Saturday Night Fever.

937
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.443
And I went, "Whoa."
I mean, you have to understand,

938
00:37:16.526 --> 00:37:19.321
Saturday Night Fever was
the biggest musical in history,

939
00:37:19.404 --> 00:37:21.448
as far as album sales, huge.

940
00:37:21.531 --> 00:37:23.492
And a great movie, fantastic.

941
00:37:23.575 --> 00:37:26.411
There's no way I got a shot
in this, not even close.

942
00:37:26.495 --> 00:37:28.080
So I drive to Paramount,

943
00:37:28.163 --> 00:37:29.957
and I think they didn't
let me on the lot, or something.

944
00:37:30.040 --> 00:37:31.708
My car was shitty.
I don't know what it was.

945
00:37:31.792 --> 00:37:34.002
So I said, you know, "I'm Frank
Stallone, Sly's brother."

946
00:37:34.086 --> 00:37:35.837
"Yeah, so what?"
I think I might've gone

947
00:37:35.921 --> 00:37:38.423
to a phone booth or called,
and they let me in.

948
00:37:38.507 --> 00:37:40.550
So anyway, I go in there,
and I said, "Sly, man,

949
00:37:40.634 --> 00:37:43.428
do you think there's
like a remote chance

950
00:37:43.512 --> 00:37:45.764
I could get like a song
in the movie?"

951
00:37:45.847 --> 00:37:47.474
[with deep voice] "Yeah,
I don't think so." I said,

952
00:37:47.557 --> 00:37:48.892
"Okay, that's
all I want to know."

953
00:37:48.976 --> 00:37:50.894
I said,
"But just like an instrumental."

954
00:37:50.978 --> 00:37:52.270
I'm figuring if I just get like

955
00:37:52.354 --> 00:37:54.398
a 15 second thing of,
you know...

956
00:37:54.481 --> 00:37:56.358
[hums] like John

957
00:37:56.441 --> 00:37:58.276
going to the bathroom,
and taking a whiz or something.

958
00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:59.695
You know, at least
I can get some royalties,

959
00:37:59.778 --> 00:38:01.405
and I'll make some money.
My brother

960
00:38:01.488 --> 00:38:03.991
plays me the Bee Gees'
new songs,

961
00:38:04.074 --> 00:38:06.118
but it's just kind
of the acoustic guitar,

962
00:38:06.201 --> 00:38:09.788
real bare-bones, and I'm there,
"Oh, man, I'm screwed,"

963
00:38:09.871 --> 00:38:11.206
because they're great. I mean,

964
00:38:11.289 --> 00:38:12.666
the Bee Gees are fantastic.

965
00:38:12.749 --> 00:38:14.668
So he patronizes me,
and he says, "Ew,

966
00:38:14.751 --> 00:38:16.545
just write some stuff.
Why don't you and the guys

967
00:38:16.628 --> 00:38:18.755
write some stuff?" I said, "All
right, we'll write some stuff."

968
00:38:18.839 --> 00:38:21.466
And every few weeks,
I would pull up to the studio

969
00:38:21.550 --> 00:38:23.969
with a cassette. All my songs
are getting turned down,

970
00:38:24.052 --> 00:38:25.846
but I'm working, man.
I have, uh, I have

971
00:38:25.929 --> 00:38:28.724
a train of consciousness,
and I'm working my ass off.

972
00:38:28.807 --> 00:38:31.560
I get a call.
[with deep voice]
"Hey, Brother, it's Sly."

973
00:38:31.643 --> 00:38:33.270
I said, "Okay,
I know he wants something."

974
00:38:33.353 --> 00:38:35.105
He goes, "Yeah, remember
those songs you wrote?"

975
00:38:35.188 --> 00:38:36.523
I go, "Yeah, of course I do.

976
00:38:36.606 --> 00:38:37.607
You mean the ones
you turned down?"

977
00:38:37.691 --> 00:38:38.817
Of course I remember them.

978
00:38:38.900 --> 00:38:39.943
No, I forgot about them.

979
00:38:40.610 --> 00:38:43.822
I just part my heart and soul
into like 12, 13 songs.

980
00:38:43.905 --> 00:38:45.741
He goes, "Yeah,
we've got a problem.

981
00:38:46.283 --> 00:38:48.201
The Bee Gees
walked off the movie."

982
00:38:48.285 --> 00:38:50.996
Something went down,
and they kind of walked off.

983
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.373
[newsreader]
Only part of the soundtrack
for Staying Alive

984
00:38:53.457 --> 00:38:55.042
was created by the Bee Gees,

985
00:38:55.125 --> 00:38:56.918
but originally,
the brothers Gibb

986
00:38:57.002 --> 00:38:59.254
didn't even want to be
involved in the sequel.

987
00:38:59.337 --> 00:39:02.007
We thought that it's been done,
and let's leave,

988
00:39:02.090 --> 00:39:05.135
let's leave our music out of it
this time, and you get
somebody else to do it.

989
00:39:05.218 --> 00:39:07.804
[newsreader]
But after some
heavy contract negotiations,

990
00:39:07.888 --> 00:39:10.640
the Bee Gees agreed to create
part of the music for the movie.

991
00:39:10.724 --> 00:39:12.726
[Sylvester]
At that time,
they were musical gods,

992
00:39:12.809 --> 00:39:15.312
but they were coming up with,
with okay songs,

993
00:39:15.395 --> 00:39:18.482
but they had done such
an amazing job on the first one

994
00:39:18.565 --> 00:39:22.027
that the songs were
not even as magnificent,

995
00:39:22.110 --> 00:39:25.072
or as accomplished,
as they were in the first album.

996
00:39:25.155 --> 00:39:27.741
[Frank with deep voice]
So he goes, "Listen,
bring those cassettes,

997
00:39:27.824 --> 00:39:29.493
you know, with the songs."
So we go,

998
00:39:29.576 --> 00:39:31.828
and John's renting
a house out here,

999
00:39:31.912 --> 00:39:35.207
and, uh, we're having lunch,
and they're talking,

1000
00:39:35.290 --> 00:39:37.459
and, you know,
it's like Sly's talking to John.

1001
00:39:37.542 --> 00:39:40.212
They're talking business
at the table having lunch.

1002
00:39:40.295 --> 00:39:42.005
And I'm kind of...

1003
00:39:42.714 --> 00:39:44.841
...laughing to myself,
because it's so ridiculous.

1004
00:39:44.925 --> 00:39:48.303
It's like Barbarino
from Welcome Back, Kotter
meets Rocky.

1005
00:39:48.386 --> 00:39:51.264
[imitating John]
"I swear to God, they're proud.
The Bee Gees... [mumbles]"

1006
00:39:51.348 --> 00:39:54.601
[imitating Sylvester]
"Absolutely, we've got
a big problem. The Bee Gees..."

1007
00:39:54.684 --> 00:39:56.019
[imitating John]
"Yeah, I just really, yeah."

1008
00:39:56.103 --> 00:39:57.979
And John's got these big teeth,
you know?

1009
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.982
And he's like, it's the smile.
[imitates John]

1010
00:40:01.066 --> 00:40:03.318
Just like Barbarino.
He puts the tape on.

1011
00:40:03.401 --> 00:40:05.403
So John goes... [mumbling]
"Well, who is that?"

1012
00:40:05.487 --> 00:40:07.197
And Sly goes, "It's Frank."

1013
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.616
And John, John goes like,
"Frank?"

1014
00:40:09.699 --> 00:40:12.702
He couldn't even
imagine that came out of me,

1015
00:40:12.786 --> 00:40:14.621
like I was Fredo
in Godfather II,

1016
00:40:14.704 --> 00:40:16.998
"Hey, Mike, I'm your older
brother. I can do things!"

1017
00:40:17.582 --> 00:40:19.501
[Sylvester]
He ended up writing
the majority of the songs,

1018
00:40:19.584 --> 00:40:21.628
and, you know, I caught hell
for it, but I said,

1019
00:40:21.711 --> 00:40:23.505
"Hey, it sounds
good to me, guys."

1020
00:40:23.588 --> 00:40:27.259
The opening to the movie,
they put "Far From Over."

1021
00:40:27.342 --> 00:40:30.303
[upbeat rock music]

1022
00:40:41.982 --> 00:40:43.150
♪ This is the end ♪

1023
00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:48.864
♪ You made your choice
and now my chance is over ♪

1024
00:40:48.947 --> 00:40:52.450
[Frank]
Ever week or something, they
start adding another song in.

1025
00:40:52.534 --> 00:40:54.828
So by the end, there's like
nine songs in the movie,

1026
00:40:55.412 --> 00:40:58.790
but there's some jealousy
going on, you know, on the set,

1027
00:40:58.874 --> 00:41:02.377
because they think I'm getting,
you know, favored attention.

1028
00:41:02.460 --> 00:41:04.379
How come he's staring
at you like that?

1029
00:41:04.462 --> 00:41:06.840
[Frank]
Maybe, in a way, but I worked
my ass off on this.

1030
00:41:06.923 --> 00:41:08.717
No one wrote these songs for me.
I wrote them.

1031
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.137
Nobody sat in the studio
with no air conditioning

1032
00:41:12.220 --> 00:41:14.264
sweating until the wee hours
of the night

1033
00:41:14.347 --> 00:41:16.474
to try to get everything right
with these great musicians

1034
00:41:16.558 --> 00:41:19.936
I was working with, and I was
never so busy in my life.

1035
00:41:20.020 --> 00:41:22.856
I never felt...
so good about it,

1036
00:41:22.939 --> 00:41:25.775
because I've spent so many years
feeling so bad about myself,

1037
00:41:25.859 --> 00:41:28.403
I never felt
so good about myself.

1038
00:41:28.486 --> 00:41:30.530
It was something I was
born to do, you know,

1039
00:41:30.614 --> 00:41:32.824
and I was able,
for once in my life,

1040
00:41:32.908 --> 00:41:34.743
to be able to show people
what I could do,

1041
00:41:34.826 --> 00:41:37.287
because before, it was always,
you know, a struggle,

1042
00:41:37.370 --> 00:41:39.456
and then when Rocky came out,
it was Rocky's brother.

1043
00:41:39.539 --> 00:41:41.833
So no one ever took me
like kind of serious. I did.

1044
00:41:41.917 --> 00:41:46.171
♪ Waking up, you're still
sleeping by my side ♪

1045
00:41:46.254 --> 00:41:48.465
That was the greatest time,
watching my music,

1046
00:41:48.548 --> 00:41:50.842
watching
like these choreographers

1047
00:41:50.926 --> 00:41:52.594
choreographing dance
to my music.

1048
00:41:52.677 --> 00:41:55.180
So it was pretty awesome
to be writing the songs,

1049
00:41:55.263 --> 00:41:58.225
and having like 150 dancing
hot chicks at the set.

1050
00:41:58.934 --> 00:42:02.103
That was like putting the fox
in the henhouse on that one.

1051
00:42:02.187 --> 00:42:06.524
They were paying me $3,500,
$4,000 for a song.

1052
00:42:07.108 --> 00:42:09.027
I'd never seen this kind
of money, never.

1053
00:42:09.110 --> 00:42:10.403
Little did I know,

1054
00:42:10.487 --> 00:42:12.239
they were also keeping
my publishing,

1055
00:42:12.322 --> 00:42:14.032
which would've made me
a multi-millionaire.

1056
00:42:14.115 --> 00:42:15.909
But I'm not kicking.
It was great.

1057
00:42:15.992 --> 00:42:17.994
If it really wasn't
for John and Sly,

1058
00:42:18.078 --> 00:42:19.246
I wouldn't have gotten
the songs in.

1059
00:42:19.329 --> 00:42:20.288
♪ This is the end ♪

1060
00:42:22.499 --> 00:42:25.961
♪ You made your choice
and now my chance is over ♪

1061
00:42:27.796 --> 00:42:29.297
♪ I thought I was in ♪

1062
00:42:31.341 --> 00:42:32.926
-♪ You put me... ♪
-[Frank] I had
a date one night,

1063
00:42:33.009 --> 00:42:35.595
and what comes on the radio?
"Far From Over."

1064
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.722
The first I ever heard it,
sitting with this gal,

1065
00:42:37.806 --> 00:42:41.643
who was a big shot in the music
business, and she says,

1066
00:42:41.726 --> 00:42:43.270
"So are you ready?" I go,
"What do you mean?"

1067
00:42:44.479 --> 00:42:45.355
"That's a hit record.

1068
00:42:45.855 --> 00:42:48.108
Are you ready?"
I said, "I guess."

1069
00:42:48.191 --> 00:42:50.568
And I'll never forget
at the premiere,

1070
00:42:50.652 --> 00:42:52.821
I was like this big shot, man.
I mean, you look at the end,

1071
00:42:52.904 --> 00:42:55.532
it's Frank Stallone,
Frank Stallone, Frank Stallone,
Frank Stallone.

1072
00:42:55.615 --> 00:42:57.534
Rocky was great because
the whole thing was great,

1073
00:42:57.617 --> 00:43:00.245
and I was so happy for my
brother, but this was for me.

1074
00:43:00.328 --> 00:43:01.663
This is something that I did.

1075
00:43:01.746 --> 00:43:03.957
This is
the chance of a lifetime.

1076
00:43:04.040 --> 00:43:06.334
I was nominated
for a Grammy and Golden Globe

1077
00:43:06.418 --> 00:43:09.004
for best soundtrack
and for best song.

1078
00:43:09.087 --> 00:43:11.298
I lost. I said, "Okay, fine,

1079
00:43:11.381 --> 00:43:13.174
at least I'm nominated.
I feel great."

1080
00:43:13.258 --> 00:43:14.968
Are you kidding?
Coming from playing

1081
00:43:15.051 --> 00:43:17.262
like at the Beef & Ale
to being nominated

1082
00:43:17.345 --> 00:43:19.264
for a Grammy and Golden Globe.
I actually

1083
00:43:19.347 --> 00:43:20.640
opened the Golden Globes.

1084
00:43:20.724 --> 00:43:22.350
I performed.
I was the first act.

1085
00:43:23.351 --> 00:43:24.811
And I get a call
from my brother.

1086
00:43:24.894 --> 00:43:26.146
That was the day
they were announcing

1087
00:43:26.229 --> 00:43:28.148
the Academy Award nominations,

1088
00:43:28.898 --> 00:43:31.276
and now we break out
the champagne,

1089
00:43:31.359 --> 00:43:33.069
the nominations are coming in,

1090
00:43:33.153 --> 00:43:34.612
and then he said, "Frank,
it's your brother." I go,

1091
00:43:34.696 --> 00:43:36.364
"Oh, Christ, who, who died?"

1092
00:43:36.448 --> 00:43:38.450
[with deep voice]
"Uh, you didn't get
your nomination."

1093
00:43:38.533 --> 00:43:40.035
I go, "What?

1094
00:43:40.702 --> 00:43:42.162
I didn't get my nomination?

1095
00:43:42.245 --> 00:43:44.497
Are you kidding me?
This is insane!"

1096
00:43:44.581 --> 00:43:47.542
And now I'm pissed, because
now I know that's bullshit,

1097
00:43:47.625 --> 00:43:50.086
and that's unfair, because
it was a number one record.

1098
00:43:50.170 --> 00:43:51.963
I'm above Thriller.

1099
00:43:52.047 --> 00:43:55.383
I'm above Billy Joel's album.
I'm above Synchronicity.

1100
00:43:55.467 --> 00:43:57.969
Not for a long time,
but at one point, I was there.

1101
00:43:58.053 --> 00:44:00.221
Here's my first break,
and I got screwed,

1102
00:44:00.305 --> 00:44:01.598
and then I realized
at that point,

1103
00:44:01.681 --> 00:44:03.433
that's insider
Hollywood bullshit.

1104
00:44:04.017 --> 00:44:05.810
I wasn't expecting to win,

1105
00:44:05.894 --> 00:44:08.021
but I would've loved
to have had that nomination.

1106
00:44:08.104 --> 00:44:09.939
You have to be thick skinned.

1107
00:44:10.023 --> 00:44:11.566
You have to have determination.

1108
00:44:11.649 --> 00:44:13.568
You have to be
able to swallow it.

1109
00:44:13.651 --> 00:44:15.862
You know, not that you have
to take shit and eat shit,

1110
00:44:15.945 --> 00:44:18.198
but you have to,
you have to be able to say,

1111
00:44:18.281 --> 00:44:19.741
"You know what?
Okay, fuck them."

1112
00:44:21.785 --> 00:44:23.745
So that Academy Award
thing really

1113
00:44:23.828 --> 00:44:26.081
ripped the heart out of me,
and I suffered

1114
00:44:26.164 --> 00:44:28.416
with it for a while,
but you gather yourself,

1115
00:44:28.917 --> 00:44:31.044
and I gathered myself. I said,
"I'll be back. I'm not dead."

1116
00:44:31.127 --> 00:44:33.004
I still-- You know, as long
as I can still play guitar

1117
00:44:33.088 --> 00:44:35.173
and write a song, I'm in,
I'm in the game.

1118
00:44:37.550 --> 00:44:39.636
♪ Save me darling ♪

1119
00:44:40.470 --> 00:44:44.140
♪ I am down
but I am far from over ♪

1120
00:44:46.351 --> 00:44:48.478
♪ Give me something ♪

1121
00:44:49.104 --> 00:44:50.980
♪ I need it all
because I am... ♪

1122
00:44:51.064 --> 00:44:52.857
What's happening
in your life now?

1123
00:44:52.941 --> 00:44:54.526
Well, it's good.

1124
00:44:54.609 --> 00:44:56.444
Well, the record is doing well.
[sighs]

1125
00:44:56.528 --> 00:44:58.029
I have a great band,
and we're writing,

1126
00:44:58.113 --> 00:44:59.656
and I'll be starting
a solo album in about...

1127
00:44:59.739 --> 00:45:01.699
[inhales] November or October.

1128
00:45:01.783 --> 00:45:03.701
I had a big year,
this should be no problem

1129
00:45:03.785 --> 00:45:05.870
getting an album due.
My manager,

1130
00:45:05.954 --> 00:45:07.705
he was saying too, you know,
"Yeah, we needed a solo album.

1131
00:45:07.789 --> 00:45:10.125
Let's follow up with that."
He just comes back

1132
00:45:10.208 --> 00:45:12.210
with one deal.
I said, "That's it?"

1133
00:45:12.293 --> 00:45:14.546
In those days, everything
was a three album deal.

1134
00:45:14.629 --> 00:45:17.549
[mumbling] I don't know, shit.
I said, "Well, whatever."

1135
00:45:17.632 --> 00:45:19.759
[Duff]
Back then, this is the '80s,
a different time.

1136
00:45:19.843 --> 00:45:21.594
This is when albums sold.

1137
00:45:21.678 --> 00:45:23.638
This better have
a couple singles on it

1138
00:45:23.721 --> 00:45:26.433
to go to radio, and get
in the top 20, or you're done.

1139
00:45:26.516 --> 00:45:28.810
That put a lot of pressure,
I would think,

1140
00:45:28.893 --> 00:45:31.646
on that one album. This thing
has got to be a smash.

1141
00:45:32.230 --> 00:45:33.898
[Frank]
It was because
of Russ Regan we got on.

1142
00:45:33.982 --> 00:45:36.651
Russ Regan's like a legend
in this business.

1143
00:45:36.734 --> 00:45:38.820
You know,
he's one of the great A&R guys.

1144
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.948
I had first met Frank in 1983

1145
00:45:42.532 --> 00:45:44.826
when I was working
for PolyGram Records.

1146
00:45:44.909 --> 00:45:47.996
He had a few demos he had made,
and I listened to them,

1147
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:49.747
and I said,
"You're pretty good, kid."

1148
00:45:49.831 --> 00:45:51.124
He said,
"You've made superstars."

1149
00:45:51.207 --> 00:45:53.001
He said,
"Why don't you make me a star?"

1150
00:45:53.084 --> 00:45:55.253
So I signed him
to PolyGram Records.

1151
00:45:55.336 --> 00:45:57.755
You know, I signed Neil Diamond.
He's a great writer.

1152
00:45:57.839 --> 00:45:59.757
I signed Elton John.
He's a great writer.

1153
00:45:59.841 --> 00:46:01.759
Barry White, a great writer.

1154
00:46:01.843 --> 00:46:03.261
Alan Parsons is a great writer.

1155
00:46:03.344 --> 00:46:04.929
Brian Wilson, great writer.

1156
00:46:05.013 --> 00:46:06.598
That's one of the things,
by the way,

1157
00:46:06.681 --> 00:46:08.766
that I liked about Frank,
that he was a writer.

1158
00:46:08.850 --> 00:46:10.560
That influenced me a lot

1159
00:46:10.643 --> 00:46:13.271
on his signing
to the PolyGram Records.

1160
00:46:13.354 --> 00:46:14.814
He did a great job.

1161
00:46:14.898 --> 00:46:17.400
He was always wonderful
to work with.

1162
00:46:17.484 --> 00:46:19.861
Had a great personality.
A very charismatic

1163
00:46:19.944 --> 00:46:21.988
character, and hard not to like.

1164
00:46:22.572 --> 00:46:25.033
[Frank]
You know, I'm a young guy.
You know, I'm on every TV show.

1165
00:46:25.116 --> 00:46:27.202
We've got more of music's
best coming your way,

1166
00:46:27.285 --> 00:46:28.995
including Frank Stallone.

1167
00:46:29.078 --> 00:46:30.788
♪ Oh, darling ♪

1168
00:46:32.457 --> 00:46:34.250
♪ I wish you were lying ♪

1169
00:46:34.792 --> 00:46:37.587
♪ When you said that
you're leaving me, darling ♪

1170
00:46:37.670 --> 00:46:39.339
[Frank]
We did David Letterman,

1171
00:46:39.422 --> 00:46:41.466
which I didn't get to sing on,
which was weird.

1172
00:46:41.549 --> 00:46:43.301
[audience applauds]

1173
00:46:45.595 --> 00:46:47.805
-Oh, sorry. Just leave
that alone. You all right?
-I'm fine.

1174
00:46:47.889 --> 00:46:50.475
Good to see you.
Thanks for being here.
Congratulations on the success

1175
00:46:50.558 --> 00:46:52.101
-of the album. And the picture.
-On the picture. Yeah.

1176
00:46:52.185 --> 00:46:53.186
-That's a good looking picture.
-Thanks.

1177
00:46:53.269 --> 00:46:54.187
[Frank]
I was on a date

1178
00:46:54.270 --> 00:46:55.230
with some girl I'd met,

1179
00:46:55.313 --> 00:46:56.439
and there's a giant picture

1180
00:46:56.523 --> 00:46:57.982
of my album cover,

1181
00:46:58.066 --> 00:46:59.859
like ten feet by ten feet

1182
00:46:59.943 --> 00:47:01.444
on Tower Records on Sunset.

1183
00:47:01.528 --> 00:47:02.987
Okay, the kids in.

1184
00:47:03.071 --> 00:47:04.781
[dramatic instrumental music]

1185
00:47:04.864 --> 00:47:05.949
The album didn't do well.

1186
00:47:06.616 --> 00:47:07.867
Things just didn't work,
you know?

1187
00:47:07.951 --> 00:47:09.285
I mean, the album died.

1188
00:47:09.369 --> 00:47:11.663
You know, I've waited
almost 20-something years

1189
00:47:11.746 --> 00:47:13.581
to have my first solo album.

1190
00:47:13.665 --> 00:47:16.543
It's like, "Wow, I-- please
don't make me a one-hit wonder."

1191
00:47:16.626 --> 00:47:18.711
Oh, God, you know?

1192
00:47:18.795 --> 00:47:20.922
I mean, I know it's easier
than having a full career

1193
00:47:21.005 --> 00:47:24.259
being a one-hit wonder, but I
wanted to have a full career.

1194
00:47:24.342 --> 00:47:27.262
It takes a team to make a star.

1195
00:47:27.804 --> 00:47:30.056
A star just doesn't
happen by accident.

1196
00:47:30.139 --> 00:47:32.267
He never had the team
he should've had,

1197
00:47:32.350 --> 00:47:33.977
even when he signed to me.

1198
00:47:34.060 --> 00:47:36.521
I just don't know
if my management team

1199
00:47:36.604 --> 00:47:38.690
was that involved,

1200
00:47:38.773 --> 00:47:41.609
or had the capability
to move me.

1201
00:47:41.693 --> 00:47:43.611
[Russ]
"Far From Over"
should've been played up

1202
00:47:43.695 --> 00:47:45.280
much bigger than it was.
You know,

1203
00:47:45.363 --> 00:47:49.284
you get a Grammy nomination,
that's, that's incredible.

1204
00:47:49.367 --> 00:47:52.161
They just never did
the PR on Frank Stallone

1205
00:47:52.245 --> 00:47:54.998
that he deserved
and should've had.

1206
00:47:55.081 --> 00:47:56.124
[camera shutter clicks]

1207
00:47:59.085 --> 00:48:01.629
[Frank]
I'm thinking, "Okay,
I'm going to be making records.

1208
00:48:01.713 --> 00:48:03.965
I'm going to be writing
with the greatest song writers.

1209
00:48:04.048 --> 00:48:06.384
I'm going to be doing what I was
born to do." It did not turn out

1210
00:48:06.467 --> 00:48:08.803
that way. Everything was going
good, and then, all of a sudden,

1211
00:48:08.886 --> 00:48:12.724
whoo, I said,
"Oh, no, not again.

1212
00:48:12.807 --> 00:48:14.350
No, no, not again."

1213
00:48:14.434 --> 00:48:16.185
Then like I had
come up a little bit,

1214
00:48:16.936 --> 00:48:19.147
a little good news,
and then kind of even off,

1215
00:48:19.230 --> 00:48:22.191
and then, wham! Goes down.

1216
00:48:22.775 --> 00:48:25.361
And stays down there
for a long time.

1217
00:48:26.154 --> 00:48:27.947
[Duff]
After having a hit,
he'd think, you know,

1218
00:48:28.031 --> 00:48:29.574
"I'll have a few more,"

1219
00:48:29.657 --> 00:48:31.326
and it just didn't go
that way for him.

1220
00:48:31.784 --> 00:48:34.037
If you're doing it expecting
you're going to have

1221
00:48:34.120 --> 00:48:36.956
a worldwide smash hit, or, uh,
or you--

1222
00:48:37.040 --> 00:48:40.209
or that you're even going
to make any money in music,

1223
00:48:40.293 --> 00:48:41.878
you're doing it
for the wrong reason.

1224
00:48:41.961 --> 00:48:44.547
Frank, I'm sure, knew what
he was getting himself into.

1225
00:48:44.631 --> 00:48:46.049
He just loved to play.

1226
00:48:46.966 --> 00:48:49.135
You've have to learn your craft,
and the only way you learn

1227
00:48:49.218 --> 00:48:50.762
your craft
is by making mistakes,

1228
00:48:50.845 --> 00:48:53.681
and you correct those mistakes.
And I had learned it,

1229
00:48:54.265 --> 00:48:56.434
but again, I, I guess
I didn't learn it enough.

1230
00:48:56.517 --> 00:48:59.187
♪ Oh ♪

1231
00:48:59.270 --> 00:49:01.064
♪ Peace in our life ♪

1232
00:49:01.856 --> 00:49:03.941
♪ Remember the call, oh ♪

1233
00:49:04.025 --> 00:49:06.486
[Frank]
'80s and '90s
was a tough time for me.

1234
00:49:07.070 --> 00:49:08.696
Thank God for my song writing.
I was making

1235
00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:10.073
residuals, you know?

1236
00:49:10.156 --> 00:49:13.034
I wrote the theme to Rambo II.

1237
00:49:13.117 --> 00:49:15.411
♪ We'll never fall ♪

1238
00:49:15.495 --> 00:49:18.289
I figured I'd get healthy,
so I went to a detox place,

1239
00:49:18.373 --> 00:49:21.292
not because I drank or did
drugs, just to clear myself out.

1240
00:49:21.376 --> 00:49:23.544
And at lunch time,
I walked past this place,

1241
00:49:23.628 --> 00:49:26.381
and I had my lunch with me,
and I saw a gun store.

1242
00:49:27.048 --> 00:49:29.092
So I went downstairs
to take a look,

1243
00:49:29.175 --> 00:49:30.968
and the gun store owner
looked a little dodgy.

1244
00:49:31.052 --> 00:49:32.470
He kept pulling
guns out of the case,

1245
00:49:32.553 --> 00:49:34.305
showing people
without breaking the gun.

1246
00:49:34.389 --> 00:49:36.391
He pulls out the gun
to show somebody,

1247
00:49:36.474 --> 00:49:38.184
pulls the trigger, boom!

1248
00:49:38.267 --> 00:49:41.938
Right on my fingers, and
the blood came up on my face,

1249
00:49:42.021 --> 00:49:44.399
and I looked down.
I was almost numb.

1250
00:49:44.482 --> 00:49:46.651
This guy had the nerve
to look at me and say,

1251
00:49:47.151 --> 00:49:49.529
"What happened?" I said, "Well,

1252
00:49:49.612 --> 00:49:50.863
I think you shot me."

1253
00:49:51.406 --> 00:49:53.032
I'm a musician.

1254
00:49:53.116 --> 00:49:55.660
A guitar player
needs ten fingers.

1255
00:49:55.743 --> 00:49:58.788
My fingers looked like a handful
of exploded stogies.

1256
00:49:58.871 --> 00:50:00.289
It was horrible. I mean,

1257
00:50:00.373 --> 00:50:01.666
I could've been killed. I mean,

1258
00:50:01.749 --> 00:50:03.292
if my hand wasn't there,
it could've gone

1259
00:50:03.376 --> 00:50:04.836
into my abdomen,
could've shot me

1260
00:50:04.919 --> 00:50:06.212
in the heart.
I mean, it was really--

1261
00:50:06.295 --> 00:50:08.005
literally
two and a half feet away

1262
00:50:08.089 --> 00:50:10.299
with a .357 Magnum Colt Python.

1263
00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:13.594
I've lost my record deal.

1264
00:50:14.220 --> 00:50:16.472
I'm living in like
a crappy apartment.

1265
00:50:16.556 --> 00:50:19.016
I'm going from this high level,
from Staying Alive

1266
00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:20.685
to this, and then I get shot.

1267
00:50:20.768 --> 00:50:22.061
[gunshot booms]

1268
00:50:22.145 --> 00:50:23.855
You have to have thick skin

1269
00:50:23.938 --> 00:50:25.231
and be bullet-proof

1270
00:50:26.065 --> 00:50:28.443
to be in the body
of Frank Stallone. Trust me.

1271
00:50:28.526 --> 00:50:31.362
[intense dramatic music]

1272
00:50:31.446 --> 00:50:33.948
So then little gigs started
dripping and drabbing,

1273
00:50:34.031 --> 00:50:35.324
but I had started doing movies.

1274
00:50:35.408 --> 00:50:37.410
[indistinct chattering]

1275
00:50:41.581 --> 00:50:44.208
-I had jabbed inside the socket.
-[man] Good luck.

1276
00:50:44.292 --> 00:50:46.127
-[marker clacks]
-[Frank] When I came
to California,

1277
00:50:46.210 --> 00:50:47.628
I started working on Rocky III.

1278
00:50:47.712 --> 00:50:49.464
My acting job consisted

1279
00:50:49.547 --> 00:50:51.215
of being a stand in
for my brother,

1280
00:50:51.299 --> 00:50:52.341
and then I did everything.

1281
00:50:52.425 --> 00:50:53.676
I sang in the movie.

1282
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.762
I'm on screen singing "Pushing,"

1283
00:50:55.845 --> 00:50:57.054
and then I'm on the scene

1284
00:50:57.138 --> 00:50:58.848
where my brother knocks me
out in the ring.

1285
00:50:58.931 --> 00:51:00.516
[crowd cheers]

1286
00:51:00.600 --> 00:51:02.685
And then I'm in another scene
where Mr. T knocks me out.

1287
00:51:02.769 --> 00:51:07.398
So like I'm basically
a utility heavy bag that sings.

1288
00:51:07.482 --> 00:51:09.358
Of course, there's a little
bit of an acting thing

1289
00:51:09.442 --> 00:51:10.902
in Staying Alive.
It was Carl, like,

1290
00:51:10.985 --> 00:51:12.153
"What are you Allstate, pal?"

1291
00:51:12.236 --> 00:51:13.196
Is everything all right?

1292
00:51:13.279 --> 00:51:14.363
Everything is fine.

1293
00:51:14.447 --> 00:51:15.615
She's in good hands.

1294
00:51:15.698 --> 00:51:17.074
Hey, what are you Allstate, pal?

1295
00:51:17.158 --> 00:51:18.367
Yeah, you want disability?

1296
00:51:18.451 --> 00:51:20.286
Look, I'll see you
Wednesday, okay?

1297
00:51:20.369 --> 00:51:22.121
All right, good night.
Good night.

1298
00:51:22.205 --> 00:51:23.414
Good night.

1299
00:51:27.627 --> 00:51:30.296
After Staying Alive,
then my manager, Robin, said,

1300
00:51:30.379 --> 00:51:32.340
"Well, you should get into
acting," but I was going

1301
00:51:32.423 --> 00:51:33.758
to acting class. I wasn't bad.

1302
00:51:33.841 --> 00:51:36.636
So the first movie I got

1303
00:51:37.136 --> 00:51:38.429
was called The Pink Chiquitas.

1304
00:51:38.513 --> 00:51:40.139
[tires screech]

1305
00:51:40.932 --> 00:51:42.099
All right, everybody down!
[claps]

1306
00:51:42.183 --> 00:51:43.392
-Let's go!
-[woman moans]

1307
00:51:44.143 --> 00:51:45.895
[Frank]
So I'm in the movie,
and all these

1308
00:51:45.978 --> 00:51:48.481
really thespian theater-type
actors are there

1309
00:51:48.564 --> 00:51:50.191
and I'm just like this hack.

1310
00:51:50.274 --> 00:51:53.110
I, Tony Mareda, have to roll.

1311
00:51:53.194 --> 00:51:55.613
[Frank]
So I did some good movies,
but a lot of it was garbage,

1312
00:51:55.696 --> 00:51:57.532
and it was all
like gratuitous sex,

1313
00:51:57.615 --> 00:51:59.408
which I had never really
got into the sex thing.

1314
00:51:59.492 --> 00:52:00.827
"Yo, would you like
to have sex with her?"

1315
00:52:00.910 --> 00:52:02.078
I'd rather shoot her.

1316
00:52:02.161 --> 00:52:03.704
-[door slams]
-[gunshots fire]

1317
00:52:03.788 --> 00:52:05.998
I did movies like
Terror In Beverly Hills,

1318
00:52:06.082 --> 00:52:08.960
and some of these have become
like culti-weird movies.

1319
00:52:09.710 --> 00:52:11.379
I know nothing
about martial arts.

1320
00:52:11.462 --> 00:52:13.089
So these guys are flying
in the air, kicking,

1321
00:52:13.172 --> 00:52:16.259
and then I stand and go...
[exhales loudly] like I did it.

1322
00:52:16.342 --> 00:52:18.886
-[intense rock music]
-[exhales loudly]

1323
00:52:18.970 --> 00:52:20.555
You're doing good, Billy.
You keep it up,

1324
00:52:21.430 --> 00:52:22.932
you're going to be able
to whip my butt.

1325
00:52:23.015 --> 00:52:24.600
[Frank]
I said,
"I can't be an action star,

1326
00:52:24.684 --> 00:52:26.477
look who my brother is."
I mean, I'd be like

1327
00:52:26.561 --> 00:52:28.938
a really bad version
of an action star.

1328
00:52:29.021 --> 00:52:31.482
I was being hired because
they couldn't afford my brother.

1329
00:52:31.566 --> 00:52:34.443
I was under no allusions
my acting career was like...

1330
00:52:34.527 --> 00:52:36.362
[with deep voice]
"We can't get Rocky,
let's get his brother

1331
00:52:36.445 --> 00:52:38.322
for 20,000,
instead of 20 million."

1332
00:52:38.406 --> 00:52:40.283
Like I did
a movie with Chris Mitchum.

1333
00:52:40.700 --> 00:52:46.664
So Stallone, Mitchum, in almost
microscopic, Frank, Chris.

1334
00:52:47.248 --> 00:52:49.125
So I was definitely
no threat to Sylvester,

1335
00:52:49.208 --> 00:52:51.168
as far as my movie career going.

1336
00:52:51.252 --> 00:52:52.837
I mean,
I don't think I'm a bad actor.

1337
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.172
I think I could've developed
into a better actor.

1338
00:52:55.256 --> 00:52:57.842
-[intense dramatic music]
-Aye, aye, Skipper.

1339
00:52:57.925 --> 00:52:59.427
[Steven]
He's absolutely a natural,

1340
00:52:59.510 --> 00:53:02.513
and never self-conscious
of any kind of

1341
00:53:02.597 --> 00:53:06.767
comparison, considering the
giant shadow his brother casts.

1342
00:53:07.310 --> 00:53:10.521
And he always delivers.
He's always very,
very believable.

1343
00:53:10.605 --> 00:53:12.231
[Sylvester]
You know, we have a deal.
I said, "Look, pal,

1344
00:53:12.315 --> 00:53:13.774
I won't sing," which...

1345
00:53:14.483 --> 00:53:18.946
...has been well documented,
"And he shouldn't act,"

1346
00:53:19.030 --> 00:53:21.073
but actually,
he's a much better actor

1347
00:53:21.157 --> 00:53:22.909
than I am a singer. He can act.

1348
00:53:22.992 --> 00:53:24.285
When he does it, he's good.

1349
00:53:24.368 --> 00:53:26.621
Like in Barfly,
he was fantastic.

1350
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.665
Hey, you!
You with the filthy apron!

1351
00:53:30.833 --> 00:53:32.668
[sighs loudly]
Be back in seconds.

1352
00:53:33.502 --> 00:53:34.837
I hear a voice down there,

1353
00:53:34.921 --> 00:53:36.589
but I sure as hell
don't see much.

1354
00:53:37.673 --> 00:53:38.799
[man laughs]

1355
00:53:39.383 --> 00:53:41.177
Seems like that beating
I gave you last night

1356
00:53:41.260 --> 00:53:42.678
must've rattled your belt, huh?

1357
00:53:42.762 --> 00:53:44.972
[Frank]
I felt Barfly was going to be

1358
00:53:45.056 --> 00:53:48.309
my shot to prove that
I could get deep into stuff

1359
00:53:48.392 --> 00:53:50.227
because I had a lot
of emotions going on
and stuff like that.

1360
00:53:50.311 --> 00:53:51.938
You'd think that son
of a bitch would learn

1361
00:53:52.021 --> 00:53:53.439
by now to stop trying me.

1362
00:53:53.522 --> 00:53:55.107
-[man laughs]
-Whoa,

1363
00:53:55.191 --> 00:53:57.234
you are a genuine man.
[smooches]

1364
00:53:57.318 --> 00:53:58.861
See this balance, the, you know,

1365
00:53:59.528 --> 00:54:02.740
the... [sighs] tolerance,
the intolerance

1366
00:54:02.823 --> 00:54:04.742
of this character, and,
and, you know,

1367
00:54:04.825 --> 00:54:06.535
the humor was perfectly placed,

1368
00:54:06.619 --> 00:54:08.329
pitched in that, in that role.

1369
00:54:08.829 --> 00:54:10.081
It was awesome.

1370
00:54:10.164 --> 00:54:11.540
Your credit's no good here.

1371
00:54:12.208 --> 00:54:13.542
You have to have the green.

1372
00:54:14.043 --> 00:54:15.419
[John LaRocca]
Mickey's not an easy character.

1373
00:54:15.503 --> 00:54:17.505
A brilliant actor.
Faye's not an easy

1374
00:54:17.588 --> 00:54:20.091
character to work with,
but a brilliant actress.

1375
00:54:20.174 --> 00:54:23.010
-So Frank had to hold his own...
-This can't be true.

1376
00:54:23.094 --> 00:54:25.429
...and he had to show his
strength at the same time,

1377
00:54:25.513 --> 00:54:28.099
and not be pushed around,
because either one
of those actors

1378
00:54:28.182 --> 00:54:29.976
could just move him
around whenever they want.

1379
00:54:30.059 --> 00:54:35.022
I asked, who's going to pay
for the goddamn drink?

1380
00:54:35.815 --> 00:54:37.608
[John LaRocca]
Acting is all about moments.

1381
00:54:37.692 --> 00:54:39.276
And he had those moments,

1382
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.904
and I think that's
what made a great performance.

1383
00:54:41.988 --> 00:54:45.992
Not acting, but knowing
when to really put on the moment

1384
00:54:46.075 --> 00:54:47.994
in front of a Mickey,
or in front of a Faye,

1385
00:54:48.077 --> 00:54:49.453
or in front of the director.

1386
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.748
[Frank]
The movie didn't do well,
but it got good reviews,

1387
00:54:52.832 --> 00:54:55.543
in Europe especially,
so now it's like a cult classic,

1388
00:54:55.626 --> 00:54:57.086
and you'd think I'd be
working all the time,

1389
00:54:57.169 --> 00:54:58.963
because I get all
these young directors

1390
00:54:59.046 --> 00:55:00.965
coming to me, "Hey, man,
loved you in Barfly."

1391
00:55:01.549 --> 00:55:04.677
I thought something good was
going to come from it,
and it did.

1392
00:55:05.469 --> 00:55:07.972
There's a safe
on the seventh floor,
you take their thingy,

1393
00:55:08.055 --> 00:55:11.267
-and you put it in this thingy.
-Directions even
your brother could understand.

1394
00:55:11.350 --> 00:55:14.228
-Yeah, directions even
I could understand.
-Shut up.

1395
00:55:14.311 --> 00:55:16.397
[Frank]
And then Hudson Hawk,
that was going to be

1396
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.232
a big movie, man.
It was a disaster.

1397
00:55:18.315 --> 00:55:19.984
People would ask us,
what was-- is it about?

1398
00:55:20.067 --> 00:55:21.652
Is it a comedy? I said,
"Well, if it is

1399
00:55:21.736 --> 00:55:23.487
a comedy... [laughs]

1400
00:55:23.571 --> 00:55:25.906
...I don't know that yet,
but we'll find out soon."

1401
00:55:26.449 --> 00:55:28.034
Someone told me a lot of
horseshit. You want to open up

1402
00:55:28.117 --> 00:55:30.661
a hardware store, go straight,
and sell spatulas.

1403
00:55:30.745 --> 00:55:32.913
Have you lovely ladies
tried our house wine?

1404
00:55:32.997 --> 00:55:35.291
-I think you'll enjoy.
-[bottle crashes]

1405
00:55:35.374 --> 00:55:37.293
I thought, of course,
that it was a kind of comedy

1406
00:55:37.376 --> 00:55:39.211
that I had never done before,

1407
00:55:39.295 --> 00:55:41.047
but I had the feeling
it was going to be

1408
00:55:41.130 --> 00:55:42.631
something special and new,

1409
00:55:43.174 --> 00:55:44.884
but as you probably know it,
it wasn't.

1410
00:55:44.967 --> 00:55:46.427
It was a bomb.
The critics hated it.

1411
00:55:46.510 --> 00:55:48.095
It cost about
60 million dollars.

1412
00:55:48.179 --> 00:55:50.056
You don't do
that auction house job,

1413
00:55:50.139 --> 00:55:53.434
I'm going to put you on trial,
and I promise you, my friend,

1414
00:55:53.517 --> 00:55:56.771
there'll be no bailiff,
you understand?

1415
00:55:57.354 --> 00:55:59.482
Why you son of a bitch!

1416
00:55:59.565 --> 00:56:01.400
Hey, Bailey, just settle down!

1417
00:56:01.484 --> 00:56:02.485
Shut up.

1418
00:56:03.986 --> 00:56:05.571
Take your money and get out,

1419
00:56:06.155 --> 00:56:08.282
because I'm tired
of listening to your mouth.

1420
00:56:09.241 --> 00:56:10.659
Why, Ed Bailey.

1421
00:56:10.743 --> 00:56:12.286
[Frank]
And then Tombstone,

1422
00:56:12.369 --> 00:56:13.871
to me, a great Western.
One of the great

1423
00:56:13.954 --> 00:56:15.331
modern Westerns, I think.

1424
00:56:15.414 --> 00:56:16.665
Guns don't scare me,

1425
00:56:17.958 --> 00:56:19.376
because without them guns,
you ain't nothing

1426
00:56:19.460 --> 00:56:21.629
but a skinny lunger.

1427
00:56:21.712 --> 00:56:24.507
[Frank]
People call and say,
"Hey, man, you're Ed Bailey."

1428
00:56:24.590 --> 00:56:26.550
No one comes up and says,
"Hey, man, loved you

1429
00:56:26.634 --> 00:56:28.427
in The Terror of Beverly
Hills." I don't get that.

1430
00:56:28.511 --> 00:56:29.929
"I loved you in Pink Chiquitas."

1431
00:56:30.012 --> 00:56:32.056
-I don't get that.
-[screams]

1432
00:56:32.139 --> 00:56:34.725
-[splashing]
-I was supposed to do
a movie with my brother.

1433
00:56:34.809 --> 00:56:36.727
This agency, they came after,
and he said,

1434
00:56:36.811 --> 00:56:38.854
"Frank, I think we can do
really big things with you."

1435
00:56:38.938 --> 00:56:40.856
I signed with him Friday.

1436
00:56:40.940 --> 00:56:43.359
That Monday,
what comes across their desk?

1437
00:56:43.442 --> 00:56:45.611
It's my brother.
He's the star of the movie,

1438
00:56:45.694 --> 00:56:48.489
and there's a part
in the movie as his brother.

1439
00:56:49.323 --> 00:56:52.368
These guys, sitting here, they
go, "Come on, it's a slam dunk.

1440
00:56:52.451 --> 00:56:54.328
Frank just did Barfly,
Tombstone.

1441
00:56:54.411 --> 00:56:56.288
It's Sly's brother.
it's not a huge role,

1442
00:56:56.372 --> 00:56:58.165
but it's an important role,
it's great."

1443
00:56:58.249 --> 00:57:00.167
They call up the casting agent,

1444
00:57:00.251 --> 00:57:02.670
"We just signed Frank Stallone."

1445
00:57:02.753 --> 00:57:04.880
All of a sudden, there was
like silence on the other end,

1446
00:57:04.964 --> 00:57:08.926
and this is what he hears,
"Mmm, I don't see it."

1447
00:57:09.635 --> 00:57:11.220
[intense dramatic music]

1448
00:57:11.303 --> 00:57:14.849
I never heard
from the agency again.

1449
00:57:16.475 --> 00:57:18.102
So they figured,
if we can't deliver

1450
00:57:18.185 --> 00:57:20.855
Frank playing
Frank to his brother,

1451
00:57:20.938 --> 00:57:22.523
it's a lost cause.

1452
00:57:22.606 --> 00:57:24.567
[breathes deeply]
"I can't see it."

1453
00:57:27.528 --> 00:57:29.905
♪ Those fingers in my hair ♪

1454
00:57:29.989 --> 00:57:32.116
"I can't seem to get
a record deal no matter what,

1455
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:33.617
so I'm going to do
my own record.

1456
00:57:33.701 --> 00:57:35.035
I'm going to pay for it."

1457
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.746
♪ Strips my conscience bare ♪

1458
00:57:37.830 --> 00:57:39.415
♪ It's witchcraft ♪

1459
00:57:39.498 --> 00:57:41.125
So I do the, you know,
big band album

1460
00:57:41.208 --> 00:57:43.335
because I figured no one else
is doing a big band album.

1461
00:57:43.419 --> 00:57:44.879
So who do I find?

1462
00:57:44.962 --> 00:57:47.256
One of the greatest conductors
ever, Sammy Nestico.

1463
00:57:47.339 --> 00:57:49.592
One of the greats, Count Basie.
[stutters] He's up there

1464
00:57:49.675 --> 00:57:51.760
with Nelson Riddle
and Billy May. He's up there.

1465
00:57:51.844 --> 00:57:55.097
[Sammy]
It's easy working with him,
because he's so open.

1466
00:57:55.181 --> 00:57:56.640
"What do you think
about this idea?"

1467
00:57:56.724 --> 00:57:58.726
"Oh, yeah, that sounds good,
Sammy.

1468
00:57:58.809 --> 00:58:00.769
Let's use that." What a joy.

1469
00:58:00.853 --> 00:58:02.813
I didn't get that
with every record,

1470
00:58:02.897 --> 00:58:04.815
but I got it with Frank.
[laughs]

1471
00:58:04.899 --> 00:58:07.568
[Frank]
Tony Bennett wrote
the liner notes for the album.

1472
00:58:07.651 --> 00:58:09.445
And Sammy Nestico,
who'd been nominated

1473
00:58:09.528 --> 00:58:12.072
for a Grammy so many times,
said to me,

1474
00:58:12.156 --> 00:58:14.658
it was one of the best albums
he ever did. So he goes
back to playing

1475
00:58:14.742 --> 00:58:16.869
with Tommy Dorsey,
that's how far back he goes.

1476
00:58:16.952 --> 00:58:18.787
So for him to say that,
it was pretty good.

1477
00:58:19.413 --> 00:58:20.831
[Sammy]
Frank doesn't know this,

1478
00:58:20.915 --> 00:58:23.459
but when I was
working for Michael Bublé,

1479
00:58:23.542 --> 00:58:28.505
David Foster has a studio
in his first floor of his home,

1480
00:58:28.589 --> 00:58:30.591
so my wife
and I would go up there

1481
00:58:30.674 --> 00:58:33.177
and talk with Michael
and David Foster,

1482
00:58:33.260 --> 00:58:35.387
and my wife says,
"You know what I saw

1483
00:58:35.471 --> 00:58:37.473
on David Foster's desk?

1484
00:58:39.433 --> 00:58:40.392
I saw this."

1485
00:58:40.476 --> 00:58:42.811
[Sammy laughs]

1486
00:58:42.895 --> 00:58:46.607
So Frank, believe me,
they were listening to it.

1487
00:58:46.690 --> 00:58:48.108
[Sammy laughs]

1488
00:58:48.692 --> 00:58:52.488
Again, no management,
no support team, nothing.

1489
00:58:52.571 --> 00:58:54.240
So that's like
the story of my life.

1490
00:58:54.323 --> 00:58:55.991
So it just goes nowhere.

1491
00:58:56.825 --> 00:59:00.371
I never could figure that out,
what could've gone wrong.

1492
00:59:00.454 --> 00:59:03.582
[dramatic instrumental music]

1493
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.341
I don't think the public
just took him serious.
Why? I don't know.

1494
00:59:12.424 --> 00:59:14.468
[Nick]
People are going to be
thinking of Sylvester Stallone,

1495
00:59:14.551 --> 00:59:16.178
I think that's the issue.

1496
00:59:16.262 --> 00:59:18.013
You just think of him
as soon as you see

1497
00:59:18.097 --> 00:59:21.267
Frank, and I think that's
what he is up against.

1498
00:59:21.350 --> 00:59:23.602
You know, it's not easy
having the name Stallone.

1499
00:59:23.686 --> 00:59:25.145
Because you live in a shadow,

1500
00:59:25.562 --> 00:59:27.940
and every time you get a great
job, you know, people say,

1501
00:59:28.023 --> 00:59:30.192
"You probably got that
because of your brother."

1502
00:59:30.276 --> 00:59:32.403
He didn't. He got this
because of his talent.

1503
00:59:32.486 --> 00:59:34.488
[Joe Mantegna]
He would have all that
same talent and all that

1504
00:59:34.571 --> 00:59:36.991
if his name was Joe Schmo, but
it's not, it's Frank Stallone.

1505
00:59:37.074 --> 00:59:38.909
So I think from right
from the beginning...

1506
00:59:39.451 --> 00:59:41.954
[stutters] it's almost
like being set up.

1507
00:59:42.037 --> 00:59:44.164
It's almost like you...
[stutters]

1508
00:59:44.248 --> 00:59:46.000
...you put yourself almost
in the middle of a target.

1509
00:59:46.083 --> 00:59:48.419
Like, "Okay, here I am.
Take your shot."

1510
00:59:49.295 --> 00:59:52.006
[Talia]
He knew that I was sensitive

1511
00:59:52.089 --> 00:59:54.174
being the sister of somebody

1512
00:59:54.258 --> 00:59:56.677
who is very well known.
We talked a lot about that,

1513
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.055
about how one designs
a professional life

1514
01:00:00.139 --> 01:00:02.057
given your sibling.

1515
01:00:02.141 --> 01:00:04.893
Frank then had to make
some big decisions.

1516
01:00:05.561 --> 01:00:07.104
Should he change his name?

1517
01:00:07.604 --> 01:00:10.441
At one point, I know
he wasn't completely serious,

1518
01:00:10.524 --> 01:00:13.444
but I said, "Frank, why
don't you change your name?"

1519
01:00:13.986 --> 01:00:17.197
He says, "Oh, well, why doesn't
my brother change his name?"

1520
01:00:17.906 --> 01:00:20.159
People may think,
"Oh, yes, Frank Stallone.

1521
01:00:20.242 --> 01:00:21.785
Oh--" he's not a joke.

1522
01:00:21.869 --> 01:00:24.204
Finally, the votes are in,

1523
01:00:24.288 --> 01:00:26.332
and Entertainment Weekly
has chosen

1524
01:00:26.415 --> 01:00:28.292
its funniest man alive,

1525
01:00:28.375 --> 01:00:30.210
and who is
the funniest man alive?

1526
01:00:30.294 --> 01:00:32.379
You guessed it, Frank Stallone.

1527
01:00:32.463 --> 01:00:34.006
[audience laughs]

1528
01:00:34.089 --> 01:00:35.341
[Frankie]
Maybe it was a little dark,

1529
01:00:35.424 --> 01:00:36.717
a little bit harder to be him

1530
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:39.178
at that particular
place and time,

1531
01:00:39.261 --> 01:00:42.181
and he finally came to terms
with it, and he found himself.

1532
01:00:42.264 --> 01:00:44.350
And I think
when he found himself,

1533
01:00:44.433 --> 01:00:45.934
I think it all
just came together.

1534
01:00:47.144 --> 01:00:49.188
[Jackie]
I'd doubt if they could
live without each other.

1535
01:00:49.271 --> 01:00:50.773
They have each other's back.

1536
01:00:50.856 --> 01:00:53.067
If either one were in trouble,

1537
01:00:53.150 --> 01:00:55.444
the other one would be
there in a minute.

1538
01:00:55.527 --> 01:00:58.906
[Sylvester]
If there was a plane,
and we were going down,

1539
01:00:58.989 --> 01:01:01.950
and there was one parachute,
guess who's not getting it?

1540
01:01:03.994 --> 01:01:05.829
No one owes me a living, nobody.

1541
01:01:06.288 --> 01:01:08.791
I chose this,
or it chose me when I was a kid,

1542
01:01:08.874 --> 01:01:10.501
and I've loved
every minute of it. Yeah,

1543
01:01:10.584 --> 01:01:12.378
do I get disgusted,
do I get pissed off?

1544
01:01:12.461 --> 01:01:13.962
Do I-- Yes, I do.

1545
01:01:14.046 --> 01:01:15.923
I think I'm better now
than I was then

1546
01:01:16.006 --> 01:01:17.758
all around with the music.
But guess what?

1547
01:01:17.841 --> 01:01:21.303
I cannot get a booking agent,
and you see our shows.

1548
01:01:21.387 --> 01:01:23.472
We sell out.
We get standing ovations.

1549
01:01:23.555 --> 01:01:26.975
It's just good music
and energy from him on stage,

1550
01:01:27.393 --> 01:01:30.145
and the way he talks
to the audience is also cool.

1551
01:01:30.229 --> 01:01:34.483
The crowd just loves him,
and his stories on stage,

1552
01:01:34.566 --> 01:01:38.028
and his ability to sing
all different genres

1553
01:01:38.112 --> 01:01:39.988
of different kinds of music.

1554
01:01:40.072 --> 01:01:41.657
[Arnold]
Frank is a very
talented musician.

1555
01:01:41.740 --> 01:01:44.159
I go to a lot
of his performances.

1556
01:01:44.243 --> 01:01:46.036
He works very hard
on his singing.

1557
01:01:46.120 --> 01:01:48.914
He, uh, he has such
a huge variety of voice

1558
01:01:48.997 --> 01:01:51.458
and reach. He can do anything.

1559
01:01:51.542 --> 01:01:53.460
[Richie] He can play the blues.
He can play rock.
He can play pop.

1560
01:01:53.544 --> 01:01:56.338
He can play R&B.
He did the big band thing.

1561
01:01:56.422 --> 01:01:57.881
He's running
the gammon in his career.

1562
01:01:57.965 --> 01:01:59.258
He's having a good time
for himself.

1563
01:01:59.842 --> 01:02:01.260
[Duff]
It's almost a variety show.

1564
01:02:01.343 --> 01:02:03.554
He's kind of all over the place,
but it seems to fit.

1565
01:02:03.637 --> 01:02:05.931
He knows
how to make it fit that set.

1566
01:02:06.014 --> 01:02:08.308
He's got Frank.
He's got Tony Bennett.

1567
01:02:08.392 --> 01:02:10.644
He's got, you know,
he's got Dean.

1568
01:02:10.727 --> 01:02:13.272
He's got it down,
and he's really good.

1569
01:02:13.355 --> 01:02:16.817
I'm from that era of, uh,
phrasing,

1570
01:02:16.900 --> 01:02:19.736
you know, the whole
discussion about phrasing,

1571
01:02:20.696 --> 01:02:24.324
and, uh, he really understands
the, the lyric when he sings it.

1572
01:02:24.992 --> 01:02:26.243
[Billy]
I'm a big fan.

1573
01:02:26.326 --> 01:02:28.328
He's got incredible pipes.
Sinatra

1574
01:02:28.412 --> 01:02:31.331
even sent him
a monologue after a gig.

1575
01:02:31.415 --> 01:02:34.126
I mean, that ain't nothing...
[laughs] you know? Or--

1576
01:02:34.209 --> 01:02:37.463
Or the Chairman of the Board
gives you, uh, gives you a nod.

1577
01:02:37.546 --> 01:02:40.674
Anybody who ever sees
his name on a marquis,

1578
01:02:40.757 --> 01:02:42.551
whether it be a theater,
or whether it be--

1579
01:02:42.634 --> 01:02:45.471
whatever kind of venue,
and you see Frank Stallone,

1580
01:02:45.554 --> 01:02:46.972
go and see Frank.

1581
01:02:47.055 --> 01:02:49.808
You'll become such a fan.
He's wonderful.

1582
01:02:49.892 --> 01:02:52.478
He can play.
He can play electric too...
[imitates guitar strumming]

1583
01:02:52.561 --> 01:02:56.356
[electric guitar playing]

1584
01:03:11.663 --> 01:03:13.749
He spent some time actually

1585
01:03:13.832 --> 01:03:16.084
developing himself
as a guitar player.

1586
01:03:16.627 --> 01:03:18.337
[Duff]
A really good rhythm player.
And he'll

1587
01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:19.713
whip out a lead here and there.

1588
01:03:19.796 --> 01:03:21.965
[rock music playing]

1589
01:03:22.049 --> 01:03:24.218
Frank is actually a very good

1590
01:03:24.301 --> 01:03:26.136
and interesting guitar player.
I mean,

1591
01:03:26.220 --> 01:03:29.223
his chord playing
and his rhythm is terrific.

1592
01:03:29.306 --> 01:03:31.308
Um, he plays a lot
of different styles,

1593
01:03:31.391 --> 01:03:33.560
too many styles, in my opinion,

1594
01:03:33.644 --> 01:03:37.189
only because it's hard to
pigeonhole him into one thing.

1595
01:03:37.272 --> 01:03:39.191
He can do a variety of things,

1596
01:03:39.274 --> 01:03:41.527
which is good as an entertainer,
but not good

1597
01:03:41.610 --> 01:03:42.903
as a recording star.

1598
01:03:42.986 --> 01:03:44.321
I wanted to clarify that.

1599
01:03:44.404 --> 01:03:46.657
If you're going
to become a recording star,

1600
01:03:46.740 --> 01:03:48.325
stick to one genre of music.

1601
01:03:48.408 --> 01:03:50.786
♪ And I'm never
going to give you up ♪

1602
01:03:50.869 --> 01:03:53.705
♪ For someone else's love ♪

1603
01:03:53.789 --> 01:03:55.832
[Russ]
You try to be all
things to all people,

1604
01:03:55.916 --> 01:03:57.584
and you become
nothing to nobody.

1605
01:03:58.085 --> 01:03:59.586
[David]
We had gone through the country

1606
01:03:59.670 --> 01:04:02.798
playing outdoor festivals
and clubs.

1607
01:04:02.881 --> 01:04:05.092
The fans started to pile up,

1608
01:04:05.175 --> 01:04:06.885
and the gigs started to happen,

1609
01:04:06.969 --> 01:04:10.180
but they were kind of like,
"What is this?" You know?

1610
01:04:10.597 --> 01:04:13.225
And, you know,
it took a little time.

1611
01:04:13.308 --> 01:04:14.351
It was not easy.

1612
01:04:14.935 --> 01:04:17.521
And then we had the opportunity
to open for Don.

1613
01:04:17.604 --> 01:04:20.482
We opened for Don Rickles
maybe 20 times.

1614
01:04:20.566 --> 01:04:21.858
Did you pass away?

1615
01:04:21.942 --> 01:04:23.944
[audience laughs]

1616
01:04:24.027 --> 01:04:25.362
What, am I talking
to a wall here?

1617
01:04:25.445 --> 01:04:26.697
These are nice people.

1618
01:04:26.780 --> 01:04:27.823
Look at the front. I'm working

1619
01:04:27.906 --> 01:04:29.199
a state home for Christ's sake.

1620
01:04:29.283 --> 01:04:30.617
-Look at it.
-[audience laughs]

1621
01:04:30.701 --> 01:04:32.202
[Paul]
Don was a real gentleman.

1622
01:04:32.286 --> 01:04:33.203
A lot of fun.

1623
01:04:33.787 --> 01:04:35.330
[David]
Frank is very gracious,

1624
01:04:35.414 --> 01:04:36.999
and he went backstage with me

1625
01:04:37.082 --> 01:04:40.877
to thank Mr. Rickles
for the gig, and he said,

1626
01:04:40.961 --> 01:04:42.504
"Don, I just want to thank you."

1627
01:04:42.588 --> 01:04:44.631
In Rickles fashion, he says,
"Shut up, Frank,

1628
01:04:44.715 --> 01:04:46.216
you have the job." [laughs]

1629
01:04:46.300 --> 01:04:52.931
♪ Before you carry on ♪

1630
01:04:53.015 --> 01:04:55.058
♪ Doo do doo do doo do dow ♪

1631
01:04:55.142 --> 01:04:57.477
[audience cheers and applauds]

1632
01:04:57.561 --> 01:04:59.062
[Jonathan]
He constantly amazes me,

1633
01:04:59.146 --> 01:05:00.772
because I don't think
he'll mind me saying,

1634
01:05:00.856 --> 01:05:03.191
he doesn't really
read a lick of music.

1635
01:05:03.275 --> 01:05:05.485
That's one big part
of what I do. It's almost--

1636
01:05:05.569 --> 01:05:08.530
There's a bit of interpretation
for him, if you like.

1637
01:05:08.614 --> 01:05:11.491
He-- but he's so--
He's very innately musical.

1638
01:05:11.575 --> 01:05:13.994
He's not going to weigh down
with the music theory

1639
01:05:14.077 --> 01:05:16.246
side of things.
So he does what he wants.

1640
01:05:16.330 --> 01:05:18.332
Any kind of rehearsal
or sound check,

1641
01:05:18.415 --> 01:05:20.667
you don't want to run into him.
He is grumpy.

1642
01:05:20.751 --> 01:05:22.753
Way back when,
he'd just kind of breeze in,

1643
01:05:22.836 --> 01:05:24.796
and everything
would be taken care of,

1644
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.799
and now he's a schlep, and he's
got the guitar on the back.

1645
01:05:28.383 --> 01:05:31.345
So, yeah, he could be a little
less grumpy before the show.

1646
01:05:31.428 --> 01:05:34.598
But as soon as the lights
come on, the people are in,

1647
01:05:34.681 --> 01:05:36.016
it's business as usual.

1648
01:05:36.642 --> 01:05:38.518
-[Frank] Here we go.
-[drums play]

1649
01:05:38.602 --> 01:05:40.062
-All right.
-[announcer] Now

1650
01:05:40.145 --> 01:05:41.813
the fella
you've been waiting for,

1651
01:05:41.897 --> 01:05:44.650
the star of our show,
Frank Stallone.

1652
01:05:44.733 --> 01:05:47.611
-[Frank] Hey!
-[upbeat jazz music]

1653
01:05:47.694 --> 01:05:50.030
[Jonathan]
He just knows
how to communicate with people.

1654
01:05:50.113 --> 01:05:52.157
He's not always PC. And, uh,

1655
01:05:52.240 --> 01:05:54.451
you know, that's part
of his charm, I suppose.

1656
01:05:54.534 --> 01:05:55.952
He'll speak his opinion,

1657
01:05:56.036 --> 01:05:57.621
whether he's in a room of people

1658
01:05:57.704 --> 01:06:00.082
who completely think
the opposite way.

1659
01:06:00.165 --> 01:06:02.668
He doesn't have any fear
when it comes to that.

1660
01:06:02.751 --> 01:06:04.294
He don't take
no bullshit from nobody,

1661
01:06:04.378 --> 01:06:05.837
and he'll tell you exactly
what's on his mind,

1662
01:06:05.921 --> 01:06:07.297
and that's what
I love about him.

1663
01:06:07.381 --> 01:06:08.423
[Paul]
On the positive side,

1664
01:06:08.507 --> 01:06:09.758
you have to admire someone

1665
01:06:09.841 --> 01:06:11.760
that stands by what they think.

1666
01:06:12.803 --> 01:06:15.681
[Greg]
Frank is a guy who's remained
true to his roots,

1667
01:06:15.764 --> 01:06:18.684
and you couldn't corrupt that

1668
01:06:18.767 --> 01:06:21.186
with all the money or fame,
fortune,

1669
01:06:21.269 --> 01:06:23.271
because that's part
of his metal.

1670
01:06:23.355 --> 01:06:25.732
It might bend here and there,
but it never changes.

1671
01:06:26.358 --> 01:06:27.359
He's a straight shooter.

1672
01:06:27.859 --> 01:06:29.820
Several years ago, I did

1673
01:06:29.903 --> 01:06:31.947
a charity event
called Songs of Love.

1674
01:06:32.030 --> 01:06:34.658
It was a charity
for terminally ill children,

1675
01:06:34.741 --> 01:06:36.451
and I booked a bunch of acts,

1676
01:06:36.535 --> 01:06:38.245
and Frank was
the first person I asked,

1677
01:06:38.328 --> 01:06:39.830
and he said yes immediately.

1678
01:06:39.913 --> 01:06:41.790
And I got choked up
introducing him,

1679
01:06:41.873 --> 01:06:44.710
because I said, "This guy
is such a great guy, a nice guy,

1680
01:06:44.793 --> 01:06:47.796
and the first guy
I asked to come onboard,

1681
01:06:47.879 --> 01:06:50.507
come here for free,
do this for the kids,

1682
01:06:50.590 --> 01:06:52.676
and Frank was there...
[snaps fingers] like that."

1683
01:06:52.759 --> 01:06:54.720
So that just shows
the type of person he is,

1684
01:06:54.803 --> 01:06:56.555
and I love him to death.

1685
01:06:57.264 --> 01:06:58.640
[John Herzfeld]
He may not admit this to you,

1686
01:06:58.724 --> 01:07:00.350
but he has a very gentle,

1687
01:07:00.434 --> 01:07:02.102
in a way,
very precious side to him,

1688
01:07:02.185 --> 01:07:05.147
and he's warm
and sometimes not warm.

1689
01:07:05.230 --> 01:07:09.901
He's dramatic, and sometimes
he's intentionally vulnerable,

1690
01:07:09.985 --> 01:07:12.070
and sometimes he's cynical.

1691
01:07:12.154 --> 01:07:14.072
He's a man of emotions.

1692
01:07:14.156 --> 01:07:15.657
That's what makes him
so great on stage.

1693
01:07:16.241 --> 01:07:18.201
But he's also
extremely eccentric.

1694
01:07:18.285 --> 01:07:20.245
I mean,
this guy's never been married.

1695
01:07:20.328 --> 01:07:21.788
He's consumed with his art,

1696
01:07:21.872 --> 01:07:23.498
and he's consumed
with information,

1697
01:07:23.582 --> 01:07:27.169
and he's consumed with, uh,
a curiosity.

1698
01:07:28.628 --> 01:07:30.881
[Paul Monte]
The question that
a lot of people ask is,

1699
01:07:30.964 --> 01:07:32.716
"Why hasn't Frank
ever been married?"

1700
01:07:32.799 --> 01:07:35.427
An artist has to be
in the state of inspiration.

1701
01:07:36.094 --> 01:07:38.430
Frank stayed in a certain state.

1702
01:07:38.513 --> 01:07:42.225
I don't ever see him really
connecting in a part where

1703
01:07:42.684 --> 01:07:43.977
he'd be away from his music.

1704
01:07:44.811 --> 01:07:46.605
He can be away from acting,
perhaps.

1705
01:07:46.688 --> 01:07:49.149
He could be away from writing.
But his music,

1706
01:07:49.232 --> 01:07:51.610
that's the foundation
of everything.

1707
01:07:51.693 --> 01:07:53.779
[Melissa]
He is forever a bachelor.

1708
01:07:53.862 --> 01:07:56.114
He does his thing,
if he's interested.

1709
01:07:56.490 --> 01:08:00.285
When he's not interested,
he does their inventory

1710
01:08:00.702 --> 01:08:03.830
like nothing I've ever
heard in my life,

1711
01:08:03.914 --> 01:08:05.874
and he gets all the nice girls,

1712
01:08:05.957 --> 01:08:07.793
all the beautiful,
beautiful girls.

1713
01:08:07.876 --> 01:08:10.921
And, you know, when he falls
in love, it's under the radar,

1714
01:08:11.004 --> 01:08:14.549
like you find out
in his really peculiar ways

1715
01:08:14.633 --> 01:08:16.760
that he's got like a girl,
and then it's over.

1716
01:08:19.012 --> 01:08:21.097
[Christopher]
What will
Frank Stallone's legacy be?

1717
01:08:21.598 --> 01:08:22.974
It's have to be his music.

1718
01:08:23.767 --> 01:08:26.478
At what level he wants to do it,
because he's got another
15 years in him.

1719
01:08:26.561 --> 01:08:29.022
I swear the guy's got...
He's just on a tear now.

1720
01:08:29.105 --> 01:08:31.483
[Bill]
Whether you have success
or you don't have success

1721
01:08:31.566 --> 01:08:34.402
is kind of irrelevant.
If you're getting to do

1722
01:08:34.486 --> 01:08:36.279
what you claim to love to do,

1723
01:08:36.363 --> 01:08:37.864
and you're doing it
at a high level,

1724
01:08:37.948 --> 01:08:39.741
I think you're a lucky guy.

1725
01:08:39.825 --> 01:08:42.786
Down the road, there's still
something there for him

1726
01:08:42.869 --> 01:08:45.539
that's going to lift him out
of the shadow a little bit.

1727
01:08:45.622 --> 01:08:49.543
Maybe a song.
Maybe another album.

1728
01:08:49.626 --> 01:08:52.546
Maybe a part in a movie.

1729
01:08:52.629 --> 01:08:54.422
He might have a future,
because he's got

1730
01:08:54.506 --> 01:08:56.132
a lot of life left in him.

1731
01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:58.885
Frank's a great song writer.

1732
01:08:58.969 --> 01:09:01.638
He's a great singer,
but it's about material.

1733
01:09:01.721 --> 01:09:04.307
It's about writing.
It's about pouring it out.

1734
01:09:04.391 --> 01:09:06.059
What Frank would be great at,

1735
01:09:06.142 --> 01:09:09.062
is if he'd write something
that embarrasses himself.

1736
01:09:09.145 --> 01:09:11.314
I mean,
something that reveals him.

1737
01:09:11.398 --> 01:09:12.941
He's have to rip himself open,

1738
01:09:13.024 --> 01:09:16.403
and, "Oh, geez,
I didn't know that was there,"

1739
01:09:16.486 --> 01:09:18.738
and if he does that,
he'll be great.

1740
01:09:20.031 --> 01:09:23.660
[Frankie]
He paid all those dues
that we all pay to this day,

1741
01:09:23.743 --> 01:09:25.579
and he never really
got credit for it.

1742
01:09:25.662 --> 01:09:27.622
There's a magnetism to him

1743
01:09:27.706 --> 01:09:30.292
that I don't know
that's been realized yet,

1744
01:09:30.375 --> 01:09:32.210
but it will be. It will be.

1745
01:09:33.670 --> 01:09:35.714
[Frank]
I'd probably say,
95% of the people

1746
01:09:35.797 --> 01:09:37.549
that I grew up with
that played music,

1747
01:09:37.632 --> 01:09:39.551
"Oh, yeah, we're going
to do this," they all quit.

1748
01:09:40.135 --> 01:09:42.220
They all quit. They all
got jobs. They got married.

1749
01:09:42.304 --> 01:09:44.848
"Ah, well, you know,
I need something more secure."

1750
01:09:44.931 --> 01:09:47.100
And I just flew
by the seat of my pants.

1751
01:09:47.183 --> 01:09:49.561
You had to have
a certain faith in yourself,

1752
01:09:50.228 --> 01:09:51.771
because I didn't know,
I really wasn't

1753
01:09:51.855 --> 01:09:53.064
interested
in doing anything else.

1754
01:09:53.148 --> 01:09:54.983
I took the worst job you could,

1755
01:09:55.066 --> 01:09:58.111
show business. That's the most
insecure job you could ever do.

1756
01:09:58.194 --> 01:10:00.113
-[audience cheers]
-God bless you.

1757
01:10:00.780 --> 01:10:02.782
Goodnight. Thank you very much.

1758
01:10:02.866 --> 01:10:05.577
[audience cheers and applauds]

1759
01:10:05.660 --> 01:10:08.997
[mellow instrumental music]

1760
01:10:23.386 --> 01:10:26.598
[Frank]
I always wonder,
what has kept me in this game?

1761
01:10:27.140 --> 01:10:29.309
But, you know, I just keep
coming back to it. I love it.

1762
01:10:31.937 --> 01:10:35.482
[mellow instrumental music]

1763
01:10:40.528 --> 01:10:44.199
[upbeat rock music]

1764
01:10:48.203 --> 01:10:49.663
Pump up the triceps, Frankie.

1765
01:10:50.413 --> 01:10:51.998
-You can do it.
-[sighs]

1766
01:10:52.457 --> 01:10:53.458
Perfect.

1767
01:10:54.250 --> 01:10:55.710
-Very nice.
-[weights clank]

1768
01:10:56.503 --> 01:10:57.754
Look at this body.

1769
01:10:57.837 --> 01:10:58.713
[Frank laughs]

1770
01:10:58.797 --> 01:10:59.881
Unbelievable.

1771
01:11:02.592 --> 01:11:04.636
Now if you teach me how to sing,

1772
01:11:04.719 --> 01:11:06.471
like I teach you
about bodybuilding,

1773
01:11:06.554 --> 01:11:08.807
I would be performing in Vegas.

1774
01:11:08.890 --> 01:11:11.351
-[Frank] That's right.
-This is like a one-way
street here.

1775
01:11:12.394 --> 01:11:14.521
♪ Save me darling ♪

1776
01:11:15.355 --> 01:11:18.775
♪ I am down but I am
far from over ♪

1777
01:11:21.027 --> 01:11:23.196
♪ Give me something ♪

1778
01:11:23.863 --> 01:11:27.409
♪ I need it all
because I am running over ♪

1779
01:11:27.492 --> 01:11:28.952
-Is he around?
-[man] He's around.

1780
01:11:29.035 --> 01:11:30.495
Well, get him in here.
I want to just talk

1781
01:11:30.578 --> 01:11:32.914
to him to see if he's
as goofy as I remember.

1782
01:11:32.998 --> 01:11:34.374
-Yo, Frank.
-Hey, what's up?

1783
01:11:35.041 --> 01:11:39.254
All right, I was, uh,
inviting you in here, because--

1784
01:11:39.337 --> 01:11:41.214
[chair scrapes]

1785
01:11:41.297 --> 01:11:43.341
No one asked you to sit down.
But don't try to assume,

1786
01:11:43.425 --> 01:11:45.969
-like my pose. We're like--
-We're trying to do,

1787
01:11:46.052 --> 01:11:48.221
-you know--
-We're doing Joe Weeder, like.

1788
01:11:48.304 --> 01:11:50.348
Considering
from where we came from...

1789
01:11:50.432 --> 01:11:52.559
-Oh, man.
-...and the family,
and the disfunction,

1790
01:11:52.642 --> 01:11:54.728
that we're even here
and functioning...

1791
01:11:54.811 --> 01:11:56.646
-Yeah.
-...and that he has like

1792
01:11:56.730 --> 01:11:58.523
really well adjusted children...

1793
01:11:58.606 --> 01:11:59.733
-Right.
-...is amazing.

1794
01:11:59.816 --> 01:12:01.359
I'm not that well-adjusted.

1795
01:12:01.443 --> 01:12:03.403
-Mm-mm.
-But again-- But the thing is,

1796
01:12:03.486 --> 01:12:05.155
it's really amazing
when you think,

1797
01:12:05.238 --> 01:12:06.865
-because those boxing gloves...
-You know--

1798
01:12:06.948 --> 01:12:08.908
...have, have made this dynasty.

1799
01:12:08.992 --> 01:12:10.410
We actually should be
like making

1800
01:12:10.493 --> 01:12:12.454
lunch meat
for a living somewhere.

1801
01:12:12.537 --> 01:12:14.456
-Just like nothing--
-Well, you did do that
for a while.

1802
01:12:14.539 --> 01:12:16.541
-I did actually do--
-He did work at a deli,
actually.

1803
01:12:16.624 --> 01:12:18.376
-That's the--
-And I got thrown out
of that too.

1804
01:12:18.460 --> 01:12:19.753
-Got thrown out of that.
-That's right.

1805
01:12:19.836 --> 01:12:21.129
Keeping my thumb on the scale

1806
01:12:21.212 --> 01:12:22.172
-a little too much.
-[Frank coughs]

1807
01:12:22.255 --> 01:12:23.840
But anyway, nice knowing you.

1808
01:12:23.923 --> 01:12:25.258
-Nice knowing you.
-Yeah, take care.

1809
01:12:25.341 --> 01:12:26.676
And thanks for the good times.

1810
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.472
[upbeat rock music continues]