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[chirping]

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[dramatic music]

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- [Marlin] Wonderful,
memorable moments,

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many of these I shared
with Jim Fowler.

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- [Jim] We've helped capture
hundreds of animals,

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but this one had to rank among
the most memorable of all.

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- [Tim] I remember
sitting in front of the TV

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we had in our house,
just inches away.

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Just totally mesmerised
watching Marlin Perkins

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"Mutual Omaha's Wild Kingdom".

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[leopard roaring]

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We had Jacques Cousteau,

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all these TV shows with all
this adventure and animals.

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- [TV Presenter]
When Sam finally leaped out

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after the fleeing buffalo,

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it took only a moment
for the situation...

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- And I would say to myself,

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"Man, I wanna go out,
and I wanna catch these animals.

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"I wanna be a person
that can handle animals

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"and get out there
and do this kind of stuff."

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I was trying to take
that adventure I saw on TV,

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and do it in real life.

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It was just--
it was very exciting.

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And from that point on,
I just thought to myself,

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you know,
"This is what I want to do."

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I loved it,
absolutely loved it.

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[laughter on TV]

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As I grew a little older
and got in my teenage years,

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they were actually bringing
the animals on TV shows

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in front of TV audiences
and everything else.

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I thought, "Man, this is cool."

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- [Johnny Carson]
A very sensitive animal.

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[audience laughs]

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He punched me
right in the mouth.

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- But then this other guy
shows up on the scene,

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and all of a sudden, boom,
Jim Fowler hand-off the baton,

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and this guy ran with it,
his name was Jack Hanna.

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- [David Letterman] Jack!
- He just exploded.

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- [Letterman]
Now, wait a minute.

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Let's make sure one set
of animals has cleared the area.

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- [Jack Hanna] Oh, shoot, no!

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- And became the number one
animal celebrity in the world.

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- [Jack]
They were born in Columbus Zoo.

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- Oh, they were born in the zoo?
- Yeah, this one belongs to us.

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- And what was so cool about it
was that he was from Ohio.

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He was from the Columbus Zoo,

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just down the road
from where I lived.

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- The Director Emeritus
of the Columbus Zoo...

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- It was attainable for me
to follow in his footsteps,

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because he was one of us.

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- Put your hand like this.
- No, I think we've seen enough.

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[audience laughs]

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- And I was just on the verge,
I was still young

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and I was helping
with other places,

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and other zoos
and everything else,

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and I'm thinking,
"Man, this is so cool.

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"Someday I wanna be
like Jack Hanna."

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That was my dream.

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I remember working
as a police officer,

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firefighter, paramedic
for the city of Oakwood

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here in Dayton, Ohio.

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In between calls
we'd watched TV.

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And I always wanted
to watch the animal shows.

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- [Steve Irwin]
Coming back real fast!

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- But the style was changing
so quickly.

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- Neck starts to puff up,

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that rapid tongue flicking,
it's getting upset.

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- They would tease
these animals unmercifully

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till they attacked
the TV cameras.

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And animals were
running everywhere,

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and they were harassed
and were being teased.

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- Look at the size
of him, Jimmy!

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- Jeff, you're scaring me.

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- This form of television
became so popular,

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every TV show, all of them
had their own animal guy.

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- Please welcome Dave Salmoni.

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Dave!
[audience cheers]

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- Please welcome Jarod Miller.

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[audience applause]

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- Nat Geo Wild big cat expert,
Boone, nice to see you.

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- Thank you for having me here.

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- [Tamron Hall]
What great work you do.

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- And things changed,
something happened.

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All of a sudden I get a call
from a local police department

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by somebody having
a tiger in their basement,

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or somebody over here having

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one of the most dangerous
creatures on the planet,

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a Gaboon viper.

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And that's when
I started realizing

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this is not fun
and games anymore.

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It was a big problem,

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and I was right
in the middle of it.

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- There are more captive tigers
in the US today

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than there are in the wild
throughout the world.

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- It turns out some states
make it easier

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to keep a tiger than a dog.

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We wondered how someone...

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- Nobody was ready
for this huge influx

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of these animals being bred
and sold out to the public.

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Well, with the reality TV
mind-set,

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the "monkey see, monkey do"
mind-set, it happened.

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I asked them, "Why did you
bring this tiger in your home?"

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"I watched a show
on Animal Planet."

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Bang, it's just that simple.

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- Well, and apparently
some of those animals

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are still on the loose.

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I know you're involved
in the search.

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We'll let you get back to it.

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Tim Harrison, thank you.

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- I was watching these two
worlds growing at the same time.

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You had the celebrity
conservationists,

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they come on TV,
and they've got their

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endangered species,
their ambassador animals.

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- [Jack] Rarest
endangered cats in the world.

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- And on the other hand,
you had the seedy underbelly.

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We had the backyard breeders.

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We had the roadside zoos.

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The absolute worst were
these exotic animal auctions.

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It was at these auctions,
I saw those two worlds collide,

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and it changed my life forever.

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[tense music]

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[gravel crunching]

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[engine humming]
- We're trying to figure out

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where all the animals
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So Tim says he's
going up to see

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the exotic animal auction,
and see what they're selling.

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I said, "Well, Tim,
if you're going,

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I'm gonna come
and be your backup."

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[auctioneer shouting]

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This is a very dangerous place,
these auctions,

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because within
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we heard people talking about,

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"If anybody comes
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"they'll be on their way out
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or a 2x4, or not such
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[people chattering]

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- You walk through
this big mass crowd of people

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and all of a sudden
you see carts filled

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with these cages, big cats,
bear cubs, primates.

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They all have numbers on them.

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[monkey screaming]

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[sniffing, whimpering]

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A regular person
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an endangered species,

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walk out of there without
any paperwork whatsoever.

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Just, here's my tiger cub,
and off I go.

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[auctioneer calling]

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- As a police officer,
firefighter, paramedic,

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I've seen a lot,

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and I've never seen anything
like this in my entire life.

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[monkey chattering]

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If there was a hell for animals,
this would be it.

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[animals squealing]

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[tense music]

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♪♪

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- When you look around,
it's a who's who

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of the most notorious,

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exotic animal exploiters
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And all of a sudden
you see Sam Mazzola,

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or you see over here
a Terry Thompson.

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He was the one
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on the city of Zanesville.

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And you look over here
and all of a sudden I see

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Cyndi Huntsman.

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- This gal races up to Tim,

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and it's Cyndi Huntsman

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who has a roadside zoo
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- And she approaches me
and she goes,

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"What are you doing here?"

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And I looked
and kinda was shocked, I go,

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"What are you doing here?"

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- [Rus] She says,
"Well, I'm selling the animals

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that Jack Hanna had
on TV last month."

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- "And I'm gonna pick up
some other animals,

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"because he has
another late night show

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he's gonna be doing."

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- And I just about fell over.

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[auctioneer calling]

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- [Auctioneer] One female
cougar, two weeks old.

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- Could this be the same animals

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that I'm pulling out
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[auctioneer shouting]

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[cubs squealing]

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- It can't get any more weird
than what I've just seen.

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So I walk outside,
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and... it's Jarod Miller.

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- He's on Animal Planet,

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he's on all the late night
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- Look at this guy, now...

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- [Tim] Here he is in person.

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And he knows no cameras
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- I decide I'm gonna follow him,
I'm gonna see what he's up to.

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- You know, he wasn't there
to shut down this auction,

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he wasn't there
to expose anything.

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He was there to handpick animals
that he wants to use.

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Here he is feeding
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And that's when I woke up.

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My gears started working,
I started connecting the dots.

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And I realised,
this is not an anomaly.

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This is systemic,
they're all combined.

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- [Letterman] Imagine seeing
that crawling out from under...

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- Then I started
paying attention

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to the individuals
in the background.

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I started paying attention
to the person that came off

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and got the animal and walked
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I realised, I know that guy.

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He's a guy that has
all of his animals

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in an industrial park warehouse.

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And then I watch another show,

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and somebody come out,
I recognise that guy.

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He has a backyard menagerie.

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He is also a private breeder.

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What are they doing
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Where do they go?
What happens to them?

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- [Boone]
We've got Mr. Jake here.

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He's what we call
an ambassador animal.

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So we use him as an ambassador

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to showcase what
a great animal he is,

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how incredible
these animals are,

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and let people learn
about them a little more...

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- And as Jake grows up, what's
gonna be in store for him?

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- Um, Jake is at a zoo,
and he's obviously...

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- I have connections
to almost all the AZA zoos

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in the United States of America,

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and these ambassador cats
are not showing up there.

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- [Dave Salmoni]
You wanna grab him?

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Watch your clothes.
- [Fran] Where's his mama?

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- His mum's at a nice
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- Aww...

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- [Tim] As we look at all these
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we try to get a handful of them

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that we can actually get
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- One of our things
we're working on here.

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This is Millie,
she's a Bengal tiger.

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- [Tim] And we think
we can potentially find out

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what's happened to them
and where they ended up.

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- [Jack]
Species Survival Plan,

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we know exactly where
these things are at all times.

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- [Letterman] All right, okay.
Wow, this is remarkable...

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- [Carney Anne] We have
this connected network

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of individuals who are using
big cats for public contact,

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and then when they
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too expensive to maintain,

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we see them end up
in the exotics market,

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or because of defects
in the laws,

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we lose track of them,

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because there's
no meaningful mechanism

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by which we can figure out

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where these cats are coming from
and where they're going.

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Think strategically,
and then err on the side

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of being over-inclusive.

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I'm Carney Anne Nasser,

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and I am the director
of the Animal Welfare Clinic

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at Michigan State University
College of Law.

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The agency will get back
to us and say...

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I supervise law students
in the practice of animal law.

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Under my supervision,
they tackle cases

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under regulatory law,

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litigation, policy,
you name it.

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Anything impacting
animal welfare

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where we can play a role
in advancing the interests

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of animals,
that's what we're here for.

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- You're gonna be
our ambassadors

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to try to find out
what happened.

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Working with Michigan State
University's law school,

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we're able to
put it together now,

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and give us some basis
of where to go.

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And I really do think
we're gonna to find out

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where some of these cats are.

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Tiger Wyatt, Tiger Jake.
Orange Tiger Jake.

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- And what I'd like to start out
with is have my law students,

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through a series of Freedom
of Information Act requests,

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see what we can dig up.

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And there would be records kept.

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We're gonna do a broad request
to find out

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everything that's out there

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to the US Department
of Agriculture,

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to US Fish
and Wildlife Service,

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and then to the relevant
state agencies

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to see what they've got.
- And challenging cases.

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- To the extent
we don't find information,

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I think that's very compelling
to say

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we don't even have a way
to find this information out.

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It just doesn't exist.

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But I'll get
my law students on it,

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and we'll see what we can do.

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- What I think
anybody would expect

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with any kind
of a tiger or big cat,

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I would think that
that would be tracked

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to a degree beyond
anything else, right?

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But there's probably
better tracking

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of a lot of domestic cats
than there are tigers.

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[tigers growling]

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What else has gone on like
in the last couple of years,

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since I was here?

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- We're gonna prepare
this ground here...

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- My name is Keith Gad,

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and my background
and training includes

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conducting investigations,
wildlife management,

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conservation studies,
and federal law enforcement.

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What's gonna make
this investigation so difficult

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is the sheer number
of big cats

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that are out in America.

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But you have to start somewhere.

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Cy has a couple of tigers,

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and so maybe he has an animal
that we're looking for.

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You know,
where are these animals now?

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And that's what we were hoping,
you may or may not recognise

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the names of a couple
of these animals.

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There was this three-month-old
female tiger named Millie

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that appeared
on "The Today Show"

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with Jarod Miller
and Boone Smith.

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- The folk that are using
the animals on television,

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I've called friends
since I first got started.

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- This guy looks familiar
with Jimmy Kimmel.

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- Do you not know who that is?

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- I don't for sure.
- I do.

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- We have an idea.

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Who is it?
- Um...

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The folk that are breeding
and providing the animals,

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these are all people
that I know,

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and that I've
done business with.

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We all work together.

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- Then Millie,
three months old in 2015.

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- Right off the top of my head,

328
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but, um, who's that
in the background?

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If somebody were
to take interest

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in trying to track down
an animal

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that they saw as a baby
on a late night show...

332
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I mean, God only knows
where that cat originated from.

333
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...I wouldn't bet
more than a nickel

334
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that if they had 100,
that they'd be able to find

335
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one of them.

336
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I wouldn't even be interested
in really engaging

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in a genuine conversation
about the possibility

338
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of actually being successful
in tracking down

339
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any of them,
let alone one.

340
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- Just one of them
that we're interested in seeing.

341
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- Yeah.
- Nothing?

342
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- No.
- Okay, all right.

343
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[TV voices in background]

344
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- We can try to call
Jarod right now,

345
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and just kinda...
informally ask him

346
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if he remembers Emma,
and where she might've went to.

347
00:15:33.456 --> 00:15:37.237
I can't say whether
he'll answer the phone.

348
00:15:37.337 --> 00:15:38.837
[keypad clicking]

349
00:15:38.937 --> 00:15:41.037
[phone line trilling]

350
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[dog barks in background]

351
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[phone line continues trilling]

352
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- [Jarod, on recording]
Hi, you've reached Jarod.

353
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Leave a message
and I'll get back to you

354
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as soon as I can, thanks.

355
00:15:52.058 --> 00:15:53.398
[voicemail beeps]

356
00:15:53.498 --> 00:15:55.798
- Hi, Jarod.
It's Cy here in Ohio.

357
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I was, um, calling
with kind of a random question.

358
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I was curious
if you might remember

359
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a cub that you had
on "The Today Show."

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Her name was Emma,
a tiger cub.

361
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- [Jarod] When Emma here is
full grown, she'll be almost...

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- [Cy] We're just kinda trying
to track to see where

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she might have went.

364
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If you have any answer to that,

365
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or you know by any chance,
just give me a call back.

366
00:16:24.900 --> 00:16:27.520
All right,
hope you're doing well, bye.

367
00:16:27.620 --> 00:16:29.620
[phone beeps]

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- He's not gonna know
where the animal's at,

369
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or where it went.

370
00:16:37.580 --> 00:16:41.561
I'd be surprised if he even
remembered the animal, period.

371
00:16:41.661 --> 00:16:45.401
He's not a bad person
for not having those answers.

372
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That's the nature
of his business.

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You just want to know what
the cute tiger cub's name is.

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- This is Millie,
she's a Bengal tiger.

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- [Tamron] Hi, Millie.

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- [Cy] And what kind of
natural behaviors it might have

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when it's 400 pounds.

378
00:17:00.582 --> 00:17:02.282
- They're very social,
live in big prides,

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let the females
bring the food to them.

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- [Woman] What a life.

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00:17:04.542 --> 00:17:06.002
- You don't want to hear

382
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about any potential
sad situation

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that it's to succumb
down the road.

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Nobody wants to hear that.

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- [Radio Presenter]
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386
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for the City of Good Neighbors,
Buffalo, New York.

387
00:17:22.983 --> 00:17:24.923
Music and news around the clock.

388
00:17:25.023 --> 00:17:27.724
You're listening to WDAN.

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- Once we got there, I'm gonna
have you stay in the car,

390
00:17:30.024 --> 00:17:32.284
and just keep an eye.
I don't want to bum-rush him,

391
00:17:32.384 --> 00:17:34.764
and make him feel like, whoa,
jump back, "What's going on?"

392
00:17:34.864 --> 00:17:37.164
- Right.
- And I'm just gonna approach

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and hand this to him,

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00:17:38.944 --> 00:17:41.084
and then start asking him
about these cats,

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you know,
where these animals end up.

396
00:17:43.025 --> 00:17:44.805
And then if he
continuously talks,

397
00:17:44.905 --> 00:17:47.185
I'm just gonna keep--
keep letting him talk.

398
00:17:53.465 --> 00:17:56.365
We wanna get something
stirred up here in Buffalo.

399
00:17:56.465 --> 00:17:57.725
We wanna get it going
that we're here

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00:17:57.825 --> 00:17:59.766
to find out about
these animals.

401
00:17:59.866 --> 00:18:01.246
So we're on, we're looking.

402
00:18:01.346 --> 00:18:03.246
[car door closes]
Is he here already or...?

403
00:18:03.346 --> 00:18:04.966
- No, he's not.
Loretta is though.

404
00:18:05.066 --> 00:18:07.366
- [Tim] Okay, you got it.
I'll just wait for him then.

405
00:18:07.466 --> 00:18:09.366
That's no problem.
You don't have to bother her.

406
00:18:09.466 --> 00:18:11.966
The only person that's
gonna answer this question

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00:18:12.066 --> 00:18:14.086
is gonna be the last person
seen with her,

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00:18:14.186 --> 00:18:16.187
and that's Jarod Miller.

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00:18:17.827 --> 00:18:20.707
[inaudible conversation]

410
00:18:26.147 --> 00:18:28.687
[indistinct chatter]

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00:18:28.787 --> 00:18:31.648
- [Woman] Or the people
who are-- you know what I mean?

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00:18:31.748 --> 00:18:33.248
- [Tim] Yes.
Let me grab...

413
00:18:33.348 --> 00:18:34.768
- Do you just have
a couple questions for him?

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00:18:34.868 --> 00:18:36.208
- [Tim] Yeah, I just need
to talk to you about

415
00:18:36.308 --> 00:18:37.728
5 or 10 minutes, that's it.
- Yes, sure.

416
00:18:37.828 --> 00:18:39.528
- Then we'll let you guys
do what you need to do.

417
00:18:39.628 --> 00:18:41.168
I'll bring you over here
and talk over here a little bit.

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00:18:41.268 --> 00:18:43.888
Just between you and I.
- All right.

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00:18:43.988 --> 00:18:46.969
- [Tim] I appreciate it.

420
00:18:47.069 --> 00:18:48.929
Now, Jarod, you probably don't
remember me too much, do ya?

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00:18:49.029 --> 00:18:50.489
- [Jarod] I don't, I don't
know if we've ever met before.

422
00:18:50.589 --> 00:18:51.889
- [Tim] We probably met
a couple of times

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at some of the auctions,
some of the situations.

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00:18:53.549 --> 00:18:55.449
- [Jarod] Okay.
- But what I have is,

425
00:18:55.549 --> 00:18:57.449
I'm on a kind of
a mission right now.

426
00:18:57.549 --> 00:18:59.089
We're trying to find out
what happened to some

427
00:18:59.189 --> 00:19:00.369
of these cats.
- Okay.

428
00:19:00.469 --> 00:19:01.689
- They're your
ambassador animals.

429
00:19:01.789 --> 00:19:03.330
That's just a partial list.
- Right.

430
00:19:03.430 --> 00:19:04.890
- Those are the ones
we're having a real hard time

431
00:19:04.990 --> 00:19:06.610
trying to even find out
what happened to them.

432
00:19:06.710 --> 00:19:08.410
- Right.
- Do you have any idea

433
00:19:08.510 --> 00:19:10.370
where the snow leopard went
by any chance?

434
00:19:10.470 --> 00:19:13.010
- Well, this is a buddy of mine.
I'm trying to remember.

435
00:19:13.110 --> 00:19:15.810
I think that was one from,
uh, I'm not exactly sure.

436
00:19:15.910 --> 00:19:17.290
- 'Cause that was
just last year.

437
00:19:17.390 --> 00:19:18.691
- Well, I used to work
at the Columbus Zoo,

438
00:19:18.791 --> 00:19:19.751
and he raised a lot
of snow leopards there.

439
00:19:19.831 --> 00:19:21.011
- Okay.

440
00:19:21.111 --> 00:19:22.491
- Then I don't
really know exactly.

441
00:19:22.591 --> 00:19:24.891
I don't know which ones
were born at the zoo,

442
00:19:24.991 --> 00:19:28.091
but I remember they would raise
them for different...

443
00:19:28.191 --> 00:19:30.211
- So the Columbus Zoo,
this came from the Columbus Zoo?

444
00:19:30.311 --> 00:19:32.411
- I believe so, yeah.
- And it went back?

445
00:19:32.511 --> 00:19:34.332
- I mean, like I said,
I don't know.

446
00:19:34.432 --> 00:19:36.012
Like I don't-- yeah,
I don't keep the cat, so...

447
00:19:36.112 --> 00:19:37.572
- Okay.
These two especially

448
00:19:37.672 --> 00:19:40.732
right here, Emma,
and this lion here.

449
00:19:40.832 --> 00:19:42.412
If you can tell me,
if you can find out,

450
00:19:42.512 --> 00:19:45.012
I'd really appreciate it,
because we're in a process

451
00:19:45.112 --> 00:19:47.252
of trying to find out
where these cats are.

452
00:19:47.352 --> 00:19:49.372
And it makes me a little bit mad
a little bit that you guys

453
00:19:49.472 --> 00:19:51.213
use them and you don't know
where they go, you know?

454
00:19:51.313 --> 00:19:53.413
- Yeah, like when it comes
to like that kind of stuff,

455
00:19:53.513 --> 00:19:55.213
Lee Huntsman that was in Ohio.

456
00:19:55.313 --> 00:19:57.453
And Lee Huntsman
was the one that,

457
00:19:57.553 --> 00:19:59.373
they always had like cats.

458
00:19:59.473 --> 00:20:02.013
But between like Lee Huntsman
and Grant Kemmerer,

459
00:20:02.113 --> 00:20:03.813
do you know him?
- Not yet.

460
00:20:03.913 --> 00:20:05.894
- He's more in Western PA,
so he's about 3 hours from us.

461
00:20:05.994 --> 00:20:07.974
- From here, okay.
- But, yeah, anytime we need,

462
00:20:08.074 --> 00:20:09.534
anytime we ever had
something for a cat,

463
00:20:09.634 --> 00:20:11.054
it was usually Grant, so...

464
00:20:11.154 --> 00:20:12.414
- So really you don't know
what happens?

465
00:20:12.514 --> 00:20:13.574
You use them
and then they go away?

466
00:20:13.674 --> 00:20:15.534
- Yup.
- And then that's--

467
00:20:15.634 --> 00:20:18.174
you never see it again, right?
- Yeah, no, I don't.

468
00:20:18.274 --> 00:20:21.094
- You never see the cat again.
All right, well...

469
00:20:21.194 --> 00:20:23.835
- Nice meeting you, Tim.
- Take care.

470
00:20:36.995 --> 00:20:38.576
I'm disgusted.

471
00:20:38.676 --> 00:20:40.576
You know how hard it was
for me not to grab him,

472
00:20:40.676 --> 00:20:42.776
and shake him?

473
00:20:42.876 --> 00:20:46.296
Yeah, I'm done with him.
I'm so pissed off right now,

474
00:20:46.396 --> 00:20:47.656
I don't even want
to talk to him anymore.

475
00:20:47.756 --> 00:20:49.056
I just wanted
to tell him, say,

476
00:20:49.156 --> 00:20:51.536
"Listen, you're exploiting
these animals,

477
00:20:51.636 --> 00:20:54.617
and it's just not right."

478
00:20:54.717 --> 00:20:56.057
- [Jarod] So I used to work
at the Columbus Zoo,

479
00:20:56.157 --> 00:20:57.537
and he raised a lot
of snow leopards there.

480
00:20:57.637 --> 00:20:59.637
- [Tim] Okay.

481
00:21:00.517 --> 00:21:02.497
So the Columbus Zoo,
this came from the Columbus Zoo?

482
00:21:02.597 --> 00:21:04.797
- [Jarod] I believe so, yeah.
- [Tim] And it went back?

483
00:21:10.998 --> 00:21:13.058
- [Jarod] I know a guy named
Lee Huntsman that was in Ohio.

484
00:21:13.158 --> 00:21:15.298
And Lee Huntsman
was the one that,

485
00:21:15.398 --> 00:21:17.398
they always have cat...

486
00:21:24.518 --> 00:21:29.259
[helicopter blades whirring]

487
00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.279
[indistinct radio chatter]

488
00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.700
[tense music]

489
00:21:40.800 --> 00:21:44.680
♪♪

490
00:22:02.121 --> 00:22:04.221
- We're on route to a location

491
00:22:04.321 --> 00:22:07.261
that we think some
of the ambassadors cats

492
00:22:07.361 --> 00:22:08.821
have ended up.

493
00:22:08.921 --> 00:22:13.942
It's deep, deep in a rural part
of Pennsylvania.

494
00:22:14.042 --> 00:22:16.162
Kinda-- it's dairy country
is what it is.

495
00:22:18.722 --> 00:22:21.502
Now, if you watch the shows
and listen closely,

496
00:22:21.602 --> 00:22:25.062
you'll hear Jack Hanna refer
to this alleged zoological park

497
00:22:25.162 --> 00:22:27.582
in Pennsylvania.
- [Letterman] Where was it born?

498
00:22:27.682 --> 00:22:29.703
- This was born at the
zoological park in Pennsylvania.

499
00:22:29.803 --> 00:22:31.263
- Oh, for heaven's sake.

500
00:22:31.363 --> 00:22:33.503
- [Tim] And you'll hear
Boone Smith refer to

501
00:22:33.603 --> 00:22:36.223
a supposed sanctuary
in Pennsylvania.

502
00:22:36.323 --> 00:22:40.023
- So he's out of a sanctuary
there in Pennsylvania.

503
00:22:40.123 --> 00:22:42.703
And so these guys have
a great facility where...

504
00:22:42.803 --> 00:22:44.584
- [Tim] If you do just
a little bit of research,

505
00:22:44.684 --> 00:22:46.624
you'll see that there
is no such zoo

506
00:22:46.724 --> 00:22:48.424
or sanctuary that we can find.

507
00:22:48.524 --> 00:22:51.864
It looks like it's got
farm animals onto it.

508
00:22:51.964 --> 00:22:55.284
This is definitely not
a zoo or sanctuary.

509
00:22:58.124 --> 00:23:00.585
I don't see anything at all

510
00:23:00.685 --> 00:23:04.105
that would resemble
any place for big cats.

511
00:23:04.205 --> 00:23:05.945
And in my conversation
with Jarod,

512
00:23:06.045 --> 00:23:09.185
he refers to some guy
in Pennsylvania named Grant.

513
00:23:09.285 --> 00:23:11.705
That's it, you don't have
no idea what happens
to 'em afterwards?

514
00:23:11.805 --> 00:23:13.865
- Usually like Grant Kemmerer.
Do you know him?

515
00:23:13.965 --> 00:23:16.466
- [Tim] Not yet.
- [Jarod] He's in Pennsylvania.

516
00:23:16.566 --> 00:23:18.906
- So this would be
Grant Kemmerer,

517
00:23:19.006 --> 00:23:21.986
who is seen behind the scenes
a lot on TV

518
00:23:22.086 --> 00:23:25.066
handling the animals,
taking them off stage,

519
00:23:25.166 --> 00:23:28.226
even wearing
a Columbus Zoo uniform.

520
00:23:28.326 --> 00:23:31.466
Right there, it says
Columbus Zoo on there.

521
00:23:31.566 --> 00:23:33.347
But he's not
from the Columbus Zoo.

522
00:23:33.447 --> 00:23:35.027
He doesn't own
a zoological park.

523
00:23:35.127 --> 00:23:36.907
He doesn't even have
a sanctuary.

524
00:23:37.007 --> 00:23:39.867
He has a private
animal entertainment company

525
00:23:39.967 --> 00:23:42.107
listed as his home address,

526
00:23:42.207 --> 00:23:44.627
which is actually just a farm
tucked away here

527
00:23:44.727 --> 00:23:46.987
in the back country
of Pennsylvania.

528
00:23:47.087 --> 00:23:48.628
- Right on the other side
of that hill

529
00:23:48.728 --> 00:23:50.588
is where the property is.

530
00:23:50.688 --> 00:23:53.108
- [Tim] Somebody's
not telling the truth.

531
00:23:53.208 --> 00:23:54.868
- Looking at the property,

532
00:23:54.968 --> 00:24:00.468
just not seeing anywhere that
anybody could keep big cats.

533
00:24:00.568 --> 00:24:04.429
Really interesting to see
what Tim finds out

534
00:24:04.529 --> 00:24:06.529
up there talking with him.

535
00:24:08.849 --> 00:24:11.069
- He's not there.

536
00:24:11.169 --> 00:24:16.549
There was his mother-in-law
and father-in-law.

537
00:24:16.649 --> 00:24:19.590
And they said that he keeps
his animals at another location.

538
00:24:19.690 --> 00:24:22.910
It's up the road,
and just back over this hill.

539
00:24:23.010 --> 00:24:25.710
- So it's not the address
on the USDA paperwork?

540
00:24:25.810 --> 00:24:28.310
- No.

541
00:24:28.410 --> 00:24:32.570
Said it's the second house...
on the right.

542
00:24:34.690 --> 00:24:37.431
- [Keith] So did they say
go right at the farm?

543
00:24:37.531 --> 00:24:41.271
- No, maybe it is back there.

544
00:24:41.371 --> 00:24:44.631
"Road closed."
I bet you that's it right there.

545
00:24:44.731 --> 00:24:47.991
[tense music]

546
00:24:48.091 --> 00:24:49.991
[gravel crunching]

547
00:24:50.091 --> 00:24:53.392
♪♪

548
00:24:53.492 --> 00:24:55.232
Something not right here.

549
00:24:55.332 --> 00:24:57.332
[gears clunk]

550
00:25:07.893 --> 00:25:09.593
They've got some cages
up there.

551
00:25:09.693 --> 00:25:13.073
Oh, this is bad.
This is bad, Keith.

552
00:25:13.173 --> 00:25:14.953
Look at these makeshift--
look at these cages.

553
00:25:15.053 --> 00:25:16.713
- Yeah, this is definitely it.

554
00:25:16.813 --> 00:25:18.073
- Every one of these
little bitty cages

555
00:25:18.173 --> 00:25:20.173
has animals in it.

556
00:25:21.933 --> 00:25:25.874
Okay, right over there,
it looks like a leopard.

557
00:25:25.974 --> 00:25:27.474
That's a leopard.
- It's a leopard.

558
00:25:27.574 --> 00:25:30.514
- That's a leopard
in the top cage right there.

559
00:25:30.614 --> 00:25:33.474
This is just disgusting.

560
00:25:33.574 --> 00:25:35.714
I've been telling people
for years that these animals

561
00:25:35.814 --> 00:25:39.195
are ending up
in private people's backyards.

562
00:25:39.295 --> 00:25:41.195
They got animals
in corn cribs.

563
00:25:41.295 --> 00:25:43.195
- Look at this,
look at this one.

564
00:25:43.295 --> 00:25:45.295
- It's just,
it's stunning.

565
00:25:47.615 --> 00:25:49.555
There's wolves up here, Keith.

566
00:25:49.655 --> 00:25:52.015
- That's a big wolf.
- Yeah, a real big wolf.

567
00:26:08.976 --> 00:26:13.357
- And then, man,
look at this right next door.

568
00:26:13.457 --> 00:26:16.237
- If the cats we're looking for
are on this property,

569
00:26:16.337 --> 00:26:18.337
it's gonna really upset me.

570
00:26:20.457 --> 00:26:22.457
[phone buzzing]

571
00:26:24.737 --> 00:26:26.798
Keith, I just got two--
two missed calls here

572
00:26:26.898 --> 00:26:29.438
while we were turning around
here, from Miami, Florida.

573
00:26:29.538 --> 00:26:31.478
That might be Grant's,
because he's originally from

574
00:26:31.578 --> 00:26:33.578
down that area,
that might be his cell phone.

575
00:26:35.378 --> 00:26:36.598
We are looking
for these animals,

576
00:26:36.698 --> 00:26:38.158
and we're looking
for these cats,

577
00:26:38.258 --> 00:26:41.198
especially for Savannah,
and lion cub Tyson,

578
00:26:41.298 --> 00:26:44.159
and black leopard Queen.
How about Wyatt?

579
00:26:44.259 --> 00:26:45.639
Wyatt was the one
we had on a list here.

580
00:26:45.739 --> 00:26:47.159
You have a pen and paper
in your hand?

581
00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:48.959
We just got off the phone
with Grant Kemmerer.

582
00:26:49.059 --> 00:26:50.839
It's actually stunning
that he's confirming

583
00:26:50.939 --> 00:26:52.559
that the animals
we have on this list,

584
00:26:52.659 --> 00:26:56.079
the cats we have on this list,
is on his property.

585
00:26:56.179 --> 00:26:57.919
So everything you have
on this sheet

586
00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:59.480
that I've given
and everything else

587
00:26:59.580 --> 00:27:01.040
is at your property?
- [Grant] Yes.

588
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.680
- I mean, he even said,
you know, Queen is with him

589
00:27:03.780 --> 00:27:05.880
at a show as we speak.

590
00:27:05.980 --> 00:27:08.160
He was on his way back
from a fair,

591
00:27:08.260 --> 00:27:10.440
so we know what
Queen's doing probably.

592
00:27:10.540 --> 00:27:12.160
- I text him, said,
"How many cats do you have?"

593
00:27:12.260 --> 00:27:14.561
And he texted back, "15-1,

594
00:27:14.661 --> 00:27:16.361
"which is the one is a jaguar

595
00:27:16.461 --> 00:27:19.121
on breeding loan to a zoo,
and four lynx."

596
00:27:19.221 --> 00:27:21.601
- So are they really there?

597
00:27:21.701 --> 00:27:23.441
Is he just saying that
to appease you?

598
00:27:23.541 --> 00:27:26.641
And without getting
onto the property,

599
00:27:26.741 --> 00:27:30.162
we will never know.

600
00:27:30.262 --> 00:27:32.602
- If these animals
are on that property,

601
00:27:32.702 --> 00:27:35.042
that's the worst place
these animals could end up at.

602
00:27:35.142 --> 00:27:37.482
And this is supposed to be
a sanctuary.

603
00:27:37.582 --> 00:27:40.722
This is not a sanctuary,
this is a-- this is a prison.

604
00:27:40.822 --> 00:27:43.182
And that's why these guys
on TV are lying.

605
00:27:46.263 --> 00:27:48.603
This is his work here,
he does fairs and festivals,

606
00:27:48.703 --> 00:27:51.763
birthday parties, schools,
scouts, bar mitzvahs.

607
00:27:51.863 --> 00:27:53.483
Oh, here we go,
here's the list,

608
00:27:53.583 --> 00:27:55.803
some of the animals
you can have at your party.

609
00:27:55.903 --> 00:27:57.603
Go down the list here.

610
00:27:57.703 --> 00:28:00.803
Black leopard.
Here we go.

611
00:28:00.903 --> 00:28:04.204
Ever popular tiger cub.

612
00:28:04.304 --> 00:28:08.224
And a male or female lion
for a birthday party.

613
00:28:11.224 --> 00:28:14.444
These cats that are sitting
on these conservationist's laps

614
00:28:14.544 --> 00:28:16.284
are going straight
from their lap

615
00:28:16.384 --> 00:28:18.705
into the animal
exploitation trade.

616
00:28:26.625 --> 00:28:28.625
They're loading up
animals right now.

617
00:28:30.505 --> 00:28:32.505
- [Keith] What's she doing?

618
00:28:34.306 --> 00:28:35.966
She's checking the locks.

619
00:28:36.066 --> 00:28:40.606
She either heard something
and got worried, or something.

620
00:28:40.706 --> 00:28:42.986
- I can guarantee
there's a big cat in there.

621
00:28:47.986 --> 00:28:49.647
And we're getting up
on the interstate.

622
00:28:49.747 --> 00:28:51.747
- Yup.

623
00:29:02.387 --> 00:29:04.167
- ...because of myself.

624
00:29:04.267 --> 00:29:08.088
[lion growls]

625
00:29:08.188 --> 00:29:10.288
- [Woman] And you can say that
the project's a success, right?

626
00:29:10.388 --> 00:29:11.968
- In my opinion,
it was a huge success.

627
00:29:12.068 --> 00:29:14.568
I think the whole point
of the project

628
00:29:14.668 --> 00:29:16.968
was to go out there and teach
these cats they can trust me.

629
00:29:17.068 --> 00:29:18.848
[lion growls]
Easy!

630
00:29:18.948 --> 00:29:20.488
Good girl.
I'm gonna come over here.

631
00:29:20.588 --> 00:29:23.889
[audience laughs]

632
00:29:23.989 --> 00:29:25.989
- [Girl] Oh, my!

633
00:29:27.749 --> 00:29:28.889
- [Dave] All right.

634
00:29:28.989 --> 00:29:30.989
Good girl.

635
00:29:45.630 --> 00:29:48.510
[engine humming]

636
00:29:52.671 --> 00:29:56.491
- Yeah, I was just down here
not three months ago,

637
00:29:56.591 --> 00:29:59.611
giving a guest lecture
at a local university

638
00:29:59.711 --> 00:30:02.291
about America's tiger crisis.

639
00:30:02.391 --> 00:30:06.651
I think when I call it a crisis,
sometimes people think

640
00:30:06.751 --> 00:30:11.532
I'm speaking in hyperbole,
but here we are,

641
00:30:11.632 --> 00:30:15.412
tiger found chained
in somebody's backyard.

642
00:30:15.512 --> 00:30:18.452
[somber music]

643
00:30:18.552 --> 00:30:22.432
♪♪

644
00:30:25.833 --> 00:30:28.853
The only reason we know about
this tiger is because

645
00:30:28.953 --> 00:30:31.293
law enforcement officers
were executing a search warrant

646
00:30:31.393 --> 00:30:34.933
for something completely
unrelated to this issue.

647
00:30:35.033 --> 00:30:38.853
♪♪

648
00:30:38.953 --> 00:30:40.774
And if they hadn't
been doing that,

649
00:30:40.874 --> 00:30:44.214
this tiger likely would still
be on the end of that chain

650
00:30:44.314 --> 00:30:47.694
in the backyard
or possibly even dead.

651
00:30:47.794 --> 00:30:50.654
[machine beeping]

652
00:30:50.754 --> 00:30:55.094
- She still has the blood,
indicating bleeding higher up.

653
00:30:55.194 --> 00:30:58.335
- So I'm down here,

654
00:30:58.435 --> 00:31:02.655
try to assess the situation,

655
00:31:02.755 --> 00:31:07.855
determine what state,
federal laws have been violated,

656
00:31:07.955 --> 00:31:10.935
and what enforcement
opportunities there may be,

657
00:31:11.035 --> 00:31:14.936
and then get this cat
to a reputable sanctuary.

658
00:31:15.036 --> 00:31:19.176
♪♪

659
00:31:19.276 --> 00:31:22.496
[indistinct chatter]

660
00:31:22.596 --> 00:31:25.416
I just wanna find out
where this cat came from.

661
00:31:25.516 --> 00:31:28.657
♪♪

662
00:31:28.757 --> 00:31:31.297
And she's one
of the lucky ones.

663
00:31:31.397 --> 00:31:33.457
So many of these animals,

664
00:31:33.557 --> 00:31:36.097
they're gonna end up dying
on the end of that chain

665
00:31:36.197 --> 00:31:37.697
never to be found.

666
00:31:37.797 --> 00:31:40.037
- [Man] What'd she do here?
That's new.

667
00:31:47.798 --> 00:31:50.378
- She's really underweight.
She's got--

668
00:31:50.478 --> 00:31:53.378
she had ear mites and a number
of parasite issues.

669
00:31:53.478 --> 00:31:57.378
And she's had really chronic,
severe diarrhea.

670
00:31:57.478 --> 00:31:59.459
[lion cub wails]

671
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:05.219
Appears that she's been--
she's rubbed her face raw.

672
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.619
In a number of spots,
she's missing fur.

673
00:32:08.719 --> 00:32:13.159
And her foot pads are cracked
from being chained on concrete.

674
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.380
The current state of the law,

675
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.740
the patchwork
state laws we have,

676
00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:27.620
the insufficient federal laws

677
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.380
that are fraught with loopholes,

678
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.421
really give us
no meaningful way of tracking

679
00:32:32.521 --> 00:32:36.461
the coming and going of these
critically endangered animals.

680
00:32:36.561 --> 00:32:40.441
♪♪

681
00:32:45.561 --> 00:32:47.542
- I'm here in Washington DC,

682
00:32:47.642 --> 00:32:50.142
getting ready to go over,
speak to senators, congressmen,

683
00:32:50.242 --> 00:32:53.182
and congresswomen about
the Big Cat Public Safety Act,

684
00:32:53.282 --> 00:32:57.302
which is gonna help prevent
the private ownership,

685
00:32:57.402 --> 00:32:59.782
the breeding, all the problems
we have with big cats

686
00:32:59.882 --> 00:33:01.502
in the United States
of America right now.

687
00:33:01.602 --> 00:33:05.543
- Where we are now is,
we only have two more days for--

688
00:33:05.643 --> 00:33:08.943
in the House for people
to co-sponsor.

689
00:33:09.043 --> 00:33:11.183
- If we can get
this federal law passed,

690
00:33:11.283 --> 00:33:12.823
it's gonna go a long way
to protect

691
00:33:12.923 --> 00:33:15.063
both people and the animals.

692
00:33:15.163 --> 00:33:17.063
Especially with the public
safety aspect of it,

693
00:33:17.163 --> 00:33:19.144
because he is a big supporter
of law enforcement,

694
00:33:19.244 --> 00:33:21.104
big supporter
of first responders.

695
00:33:21.204 --> 00:33:23.544
- Staffer Sarah has already
learned about the issue,

696
00:33:23.644 --> 00:33:24.984
but we want to convey to her

697
00:33:25.084 --> 00:33:27.064
that this is really important
to Ohioans.

698
00:33:27.164 --> 00:33:29.384
- [Tim] I feel a little like
a fish out of water,

699
00:33:29.484 --> 00:33:30.864
and I'm out of my element
right here.

700
00:33:30.964 --> 00:33:32.784
- Proactive work by the agency.

701
00:33:32.884 --> 00:33:34.585
- [Woman] It's a very
small portion of the...

702
00:33:34.685 --> 00:33:36.545
- [Tim] I'm not used to this
chess game they play here

703
00:33:36.645 --> 00:33:38.545
with the way politicians work.

704
00:33:38.645 --> 00:33:41.025
- This should not be
a political issue.

705
00:33:41.125 --> 00:33:42.825
- [Tim] But it's something
I'm learning.

706
00:33:42.925 --> 00:33:44.625
- Let's see if he
has any suggestions.

707
00:33:44.725 --> 00:33:46.745
- [Tim] And luckily,
I'm here working as a team.

708
00:33:46.845 --> 00:33:49.145
And these are the men and women
that can help me.

709
00:33:49.245 --> 00:33:52.026
- ...know where the big cats
are in their communities.

710
00:33:52.126 --> 00:33:54.946
- We took six of these out
of a house in Lancaster, Ohio.

711
00:33:55.046 --> 00:33:57.306
This mountain lion was loose
in downtown Dayton,

712
00:33:57.406 --> 00:33:59.026
chewed through a door
of an empty house.

713
00:33:59.126 --> 00:34:00.626
Brought across state lines
to Harlem

714
00:34:00.726 --> 00:34:02.226
in this apartment building.

715
00:34:02.326 --> 00:34:04.306
There's an African lion
inside there.

716
00:34:04.406 --> 00:34:06.427
We actually had a tiger
jump over the firefighters

717
00:34:06.527 --> 00:34:08.467
as they were fighting
a house fire.

718
00:34:08.567 --> 00:34:10.587
We're making it so
it's just common sense

719
00:34:10.687 --> 00:34:12.387
that you have to register
your animal.

720
00:34:12.487 --> 00:34:13.627
We wanna know where they're at

721
00:34:13.727 --> 00:34:15.307
as cops, firemen,
and paramedics.

722
00:34:15.407 --> 00:34:17.467
- I guess I didn't
really realise the extent

723
00:34:17.567 --> 00:34:19.627
of how many animals
there were, yeah.

724
00:34:19.727 --> 00:34:21.347
- 38 big cats.
- Yeah.

725
00:34:21.447 --> 00:34:23.348
- I think in the long run
it's gonna be worth the while.

726
00:34:23.448 --> 00:34:24.948
I think the most
amazing thing is,

727
00:34:25.048 --> 00:34:27.508
is that people don't realise
being on the frontline

728
00:34:27.608 --> 00:34:28.948
of what's really
going on out there.

729
00:34:29.048 --> 00:34:30.188
And when you show it to them,

730
00:34:30.288 --> 00:34:31.628
it's a whole different
ball game.

731
00:34:31.728 --> 00:34:33.728
...to Harlem
in this apartment building.

732
00:34:44.569 --> 00:34:46.989
- [Rus] The menagerie
listed under species

733
00:34:47.089 --> 00:34:49.829
is exactly the same.
- They don't list two lion cubs.

734
00:34:49.929 --> 00:34:52.669
- [Tim] The only cats I see is
black leopard, cougar and tiger.

735
00:34:52.769 --> 00:34:56.590
- [Carney Anne] At the time
that that letter was written...

736
00:34:56.690 --> 00:34:58.470
- The situation where
it actually shows you

737
00:34:58.570 --> 00:35:01.630
a tiger came from
a backyard zoo,

738
00:35:01.730 --> 00:35:04.550
taken to New York City,
and put on "The Today Show."

739
00:35:04.650 --> 00:35:07.070
We believe it was one
of our tigers, Millie.

740
00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:11.111
- There's no mention
of any big cats at all.

741
00:35:11.211 --> 00:35:14.911
And we know that there was
at least two tigers and a lion,

742
00:35:15.011 --> 00:35:16.991
and it seems that
that information

743
00:35:17.091 --> 00:35:19.871
is what's being kept from us.

744
00:35:19.971 --> 00:35:22.591
- So we're trying to find
a cat named Emma

745
00:35:22.691 --> 00:35:27.072
that went from Jarod Miller
to Andrew Simmons,

746
00:35:27.172 --> 00:35:29.392
and the State of New York
has no record.

747
00:35:29.492 --> 00:35:31.392
[phone line trilling]

748
00:35:31.492 --> 00:35:34.712
- Hey, Jeff,
we are trying to look into

749
00:35:34.812 --> 00:35:36.952
this tiger named Jake.

750
00:35:37.052 --> 00:35:39.912
Jake was on a couple
of TV shows.

751
00:35:40.012 --> 00:35:41.753
We're not finding anything
in the paperwork,

752
00:35:41.853 --> 00:35:46.793
but we know that Jake
ended up at a roadside zoo.

753
00:35:46.893 --> 00:35:48.713
- [Jeff] Yeah, I remember
the name is familiar,

754
00:35:48.813 --> 00:35:51.873
so, yeah, let me do some
research on that roadside zoo.

755
00:35:51.973 --> 00:35:53.433
- All right,
let's see what's next.

756
00:35:53.533 --> 00:35:55.273
- We've got the dates
on this one,

757
00:35:55.373 --> 00:35:58.354
so it doesn't have
any lions on here at all.

758
00:35:58.454 --> 00:36:00.634
And we know for a fact
there was lions there.

759
00:36:00.734 --> 00:36:04.234
- We've tried to get records
with the State Wildlife Agency,

760
00:36:04.334 --> 00:36:07.514
but, um, they won't produce
those records.

761
00:36:07.614 --> 00:36:09.554
- So there's probably no way

762
00:36:09.654 --> 00:36:10.954
we're gonna find out
those two females?

763
00:36:11.054 --> 00:36:12.554
- Be very, very difficult.

764
00:36:12.654 --> 00:36:15.395
- You know, it's ridiculous,
absolutely ridiculous.

765
00:36:15.495 --> 00:36:17.075
- These records
used to be provided,

766
00:36:17.175 --> 00:36:20.555
and now we're in this new era
of zero transparency

767
00:36:20.655 --> 00:36:22.235
with the US Department
of Agriculture.

768
00:36:22.335 --> 00:36:25.035
The position that they've taken
is to withhold

769
00:36:25.135 --> 00:36:27.595
what the animal inventory is
at the time

770
00:36:27.695 --> 00:36:29.516
in their entirety.

771
00:36:29.616 --> 00:36:32.756
- For all states?
- For all states.

772
00:36:32.856 --> 00:36:36.436
We have prepared an appeal
against the USDA

773
00:36:36.536 --> 00:36:41.236
to seek disclosure
of these public records.

774
00:36:41.336 --> 00:36:44.076
If they deny our appeal,
then we are prepared to consider

775
00:36:44.176 --> 00:36:46.517
all available legal options,

776
00:36:46.617 --> 00:36:48.617
including litigation.

777
00:36:53.137 --> 00:36:56.037
[pensive music]

778
00:36:56.137 --> 00:36:59.677
♪♪

779
00:36:59.777 --> 00:37:01.278
- [Tim] Look at that,
right down there,

780
00:37:01.378 --> 00:37:04.838
it says martial arts
and some other thing down here.

781
00:37:04.938 --> 00:37:08.798
- He's here from Animal Planet,
please welcome Dave Salmoni.

782
00:37:08.898 --> 00:37:10.898
[audience cheers]

783
00:37:15.058 --> 00:37:17.479
- [Tim] Do you recognise
that name at all, David Salmoni?

784
00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:18.839
He needs to contact me
right away,

785
00:37:18.939 --> 00:37:21.119
because I think
he can help me out.

786
00:37:21.219 --> 00:37:22.719
- Okay, why don't you sit there?

787
00:37:22.819 --> 00:37:25.959
[leopard grunts]
[audience gasps]

788
00:37:26.059 --> 00:37:27.879
He's just trying to get settled.

789
00:37:27.979 --> 00:37:29.639
- Okay, we left a card,

790
00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:31.399
don't know that's gonna do
any good or not,

791
00:37:31.499 --> 00:37:33.920
but at least we have
one of the locations checked.

792
00:37:34.020 --> 00:37:37.200
- Big teeth and big claws.
- Big teeth and claw-- ow!

793
00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:39.280
- Was this a good idea bringing
this one into the studio?

794
00:37:39.380 --> 00:37:40.920
- Well, you can see,
at this age, they still like...

795
00:37:41.020 --> 00:37:42.560
- [Tim] We got information
directly to people

796
00:37:42.660 --> 00:37:44.120
that know him,

797
00:37:44.220 --> 00:37:45.920
but it's up to him now
to do the right thing.

798
00:37:46.020 --> 00:37:47.440
- What is this lion's name?

799
00:37:47.540 --> 00:37:49.601
[audience cheers]
Oh, no, he doesn't like it.

800
00:37:49.701 --> 00:37:52.141
He doesn't like it.
- Oh, he does.

801
00:37:56.741 --> 00:37:59.461
- [Tim] This is his street
right here, right here.

802
00:38:04.582 --> 00:38:05.962
So I was just seeing
if Dave was here.

803
00:38:06.062 --> 00:38:07.842
I wanted to talk
to him a second.

804
00:38:07.942 --> 00:38:09.942
Okay, thanks.

805
00:38:12.062 --> 00:38:13.842
My name's Tim Harrison,
just have a question.

806
00:38:13.942 --> 00:38:15.402
- [Dave] What can I do for you?

807
00:38:15.502 --> 00:38:17.602
- The organization I'm with
is Outreach for Animals,

808
00:38:17.702 --> 00:38:19.162
and what we're trying to do
is find out what happens

809
00:38:19.262 --> 00:38:21.123
to cats after they've
been used on TV.

810
00:38:21.223 --> 00:38:23.963
This is the partial list
of your ambassador cats.

811
00:38:24.063 --> 00:38:26.363
I'd really appreciate
if we can find out

812
00:38:26.463 --> 00:38:27.883
what happened to some of these.

813
00:38:27.983 --> 00:38:30.483
And we're looking especially
for Mason, Tyson,

814
00:38:30.583 --> 00:38:32.523
you know, the top page here,
if you really look at it.

815
00:38:32.623 --> 00:38:34.323
We have some other ones
on here too,

816
00:38:34.423 --> 00:38:36.704
but just to get a basic idea--
- What you have to realise is...

817
00:38:39.504 --> 00:38:42.564
- I know, that's the downfall,
that's what we're finding out.

818
00:38:42.664 --> 00:38:44.684
And do you think it's right
to do this with a cat

819
00:38:44.784 --> 00:38:48.044
and then it just disappears,
nobody knows what happens?

820
00:38:48.144 --> 00:38:50.444
Oh, you do know
where they all are?
You know where everything's at?

821
00:38:50.544 --> 00:38:51.724
And that's what we're
trying to find out.

822
00:38:51.824 --> 00:38:53.445
Where do they go
after they're done?

823
00:38:53.545 --> 00:38:55.085
- They don't go anywhere.
- They don't go anywhere?

824
00:38:55.185 --> 00:38:56.925
- They stay at their place,
their accredited place.

825
00:38:57.025 --> 00:38:58.765
- What's their accredited place?
That's on this here?

826
00:38:58.865 --> 00:39:00.865
That's an accredited facility?

827
00:39:03.625 --> 00:39:05.625
- [Tim] No, but somebody
at least that's accredited and--

828
00:39:08.066 --> 00:39:11.046
So what we'll do is we have
a certain set of criteria,

829
00:39:11.146 --> 00:39:13.846
and so I and my providers,

830
00:39:13.946 --> 00:39:15.766
and Animal Planet,
and every time we partner,

831
00:39:15.866 --> 00:39:17.526
anything that is ABC...
- Okay.

832
00:39:17.626 --> 00:39:19.846
- ...has to meet
their criteria, right?

833
00:39:19.946 --> 00:39:22.646
And then we at Discovery
and Animal Planet,

834
00:39:22.746 --> 00:39:25.067
because I've been doing this
for 18 years...

835
00:39:28.067 --> 00:39:29.647
I doubt you'll get the help.

836
00:39:29.747 --> 00:39:32.407
If anybody ever decides
to talk to you, great.

837
00:39:32.507 --> 00:39:34.607
- How about you?
- I just talked to you--

838
00:39:34.707 --> 00:39:36.207
- Did you tell me
where they're at?

839
00:39:36.307 --> 00:39:38.467
Okay, then you didn't help me.

840
00:39:40.908 --> 00:39:43.808
Dave, we have to change
the way we're educating.

841
00:39:43.908 --> 00:39:47.368
We also have to change the way
things are going here, okay?

842
00:39:47.468 --> 00:39:49.928
Now I'm asking you,
I'm begging you to help.

843
00:39:50.028 --> 00:39:51.608
I'm begging you.

844
00:39:51.708 --> 00:39:54.608
- It's dumbfounding that we
have to go to this extent

845
00:39:54.708 --> 00:39:57.529
to find a protected
endangered species

846
00:39:57.629 --> 00:39:59.529
in the United States
of America.

847
00:39:59.629 --> 00:40:01.689
- As far as this,
you see...

848
00:40:01.789 --> 00:40:03.569
I'm not gonna expose
these people to any level

849
00:40:03.669 --> 00:40:05.929
of any extra, you know...

850
00:40:06.029 --> 00:40:08.489
- Okay, but I asked, right?
- You asked, good for you.

851
00:40:08.589 --> 00:40:10.169
- But they're hiding it from us.

852
00:40:10.269 --> 00:40:12.610
And that should be a huge
red flag for the public.

853
00:40:12.710 --> 00:40:15.610
- [Tim] Can't find them.
Now, if we look for these--

854
00:40:15.710 --> 00:40:17.010
- If you can't find them,
that doesn't mean

855
00:40:17.110 --> 00:40:19.110
that they've disappeared.
It means...

856
00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:22.530
- [Tim, on recording]
Now if we look for these--

857
00:40:22.630 --> 00:40:24.010
- [Dave, on recording]
If you can't them,

858
00:40:24.110 --> 00:40:25.810
that doesn't mean
that they've disappeared.

859
00:40:25.910 --> 00:40:28.211
That means you need to learn
how to find them better.

860
00:40:28.311 --> 00:40:29.771
[line disconnect tone]

861
00:40:29.871 --> 00:40:31.691
- Challenge accepted.

862
00:40:31.791 --> 00:40:34.571
[tense music]

863
00:40:34.671 --> 00:40:37.691
My name's Jeff Kramer,
and I've been involved

864
00:40:37.791 --> 00:40:40.771
in animal welfare
for over 30 years.

865
00:40:40.871 --> 00:40:42.331
Animals have always been
a passion of mine,

866
00:40:42.431 --> 00:40:44.972
and my background
has always been research.

867
00:40:45.072 --> 00:40:47.492
So to be able to combine
that research skill

868
00:40:47.592 --> 00:40:50.312
and use it for the animals,
like, it's a natural fit.

869
00:40:52.352 --> 00:40:54.092
The world is all digital,

870
00:40:54.192 --> 00:40:56.212
so every part
of everybody's life

871
00:40:56.312 --> 00:40:59.373
is probably somewhere out there
waiting to be found.

872
00:40:59.473 --> 00:41:02.053
It's just a matter of having
the skills to figure out

873
00:41:02.153 --> 00:41:04.693
how the pieces
all come together.

874
00:41:04.793 --> 00:41:06.533
- [Tim] Everybody
we've talked to so far

875
00:41:06.633 --> 00:41:07.973
have always pushed it off
on somebody else

876
00:41:08.073 --> 00:41:09.573
who doesn't know,
or lost their records.

877
00:41:09.673 --> 00:41:11.293
- Oh, that's not in my case.

878
00:41:11.393 --> 00:41:12.533
- [Jeff] You know,
it might be the picture,

879
00:41:12.633 --> 00:41:14.013
it might be the video,

880
00:41:14.113 --> 00:41:16.494
it might be the comment
on a picture or a video.

881
00:41:16.594 --> 00:41:17.934
- [Dave] I know where they all
are, I know where they are.

882
00:41:18.034 --> 00:41:19.654
- [Tim] Oh, you do know
where they all are?

883
00:41:19.754 --> 00:41:21.694
Then why can't anybody else
find out where they're at?

884
00:41:21.794 --> 00:41:24.134
- [Jeff] I've encountered some
social media pages

885
00:41:24.234 --> 00:41:28.454
where I've looked through
12,000 photos to find one.

886
00:41:28.554 --> 00:41:29.854
And it's like, bam!
[hand slaps]

887
00:41:29.954 --> 00:41:31.175
There it is.

888
00:41:31.275 --> 00:41:33.415
- [Tim] I'm talking
about backyards.

889
00:41:33.515 --> 00:41:34.815
I'm hoping so.

890
00:41:34.915 --> 00:41:37.395
So none of these are
in a roadside zoo, or--

891
00:41:40.795 --> 00:41:43.695
[tense music]

892
00:41:43.795 --> 00:41:45.695
♪♪

893
00:41:45.795 --> 00:41:48.716
[children shouting, screaming]

894
00:41:55.356 --> 00:41:57.616
[rooster crowing]

895
00:41:57.716 --> 00:42:00.816
- [Tim] Yeah, when I came in
to Critter Country here,

896
00:42:00.916 --> 00:42:02.897
a gentleman,
I think is the owner,

897
00:42:02.997 --> 00:42:04.937
recognised me right away.

898
00:42:05.037 --> 00:42:07.297
And I said, "I'm here
to come see your big cats."

899
00:42:07.397 --> 00:42:09.657
And he didn't pull any punches,
he told me what was going on,

900
00:42:09.757 --> 00:42:11.497
and he ended up
basically telling me that

901
00:42:11.597 --> 00:42:15.577
some of David Salmoni's
ambassador cats are here.

902
00:42:15.677 --> 00:42:18.898
He even told me that some of
those cats, believe it or not,

903
00:42:18.998 --> 00:42:22.418
was raised in his own home,
raised in their living room.

904
00:42:22.518 --> 00:42:24.518
[keyboard clacking]

905
00:42:28.478 --> 00:42:29.978
He had a black leopard
that was actually

906
00:42:30.078 --> 00:42:31.858
the one that was used
on the "Tyra Banks Show,"

907
00:42:31.958 --> 00:42:34.659
when he came out as Tarzan,
and then he took that cat out.

908
00:42:34.759 --> 00:42:36.299
And it was not happy.
[leopard growling]

909
00:42:36.399 --> 00:42:37.739
- But these guys are
actually really rare-- okay.

910
00:42:37.839 --> 00:42:39.059
[leopard growls]
- [Tyra screams]

911
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:41.459
- Okay, you ready?

912
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:42.819
She's fine.
Okay.

913
00:42:42.919 --> 00:42:45.179
That's just her
sort of saying, hey...

914
00:42:45.279 --> 00:42:46.659
- [Tim] This cat
didn't end up going

915
00:42:46.759 --> 00:42:49.219
to an accredited
professional facility.

916
00:42:49.319 --> 00:42:52.620
This animal ended up
in a petting zoo,

917
00:42:52.720 --> 00:42:55.260
just a backyard menagerie.

918
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:58.260
It's even called
Critter Country Farm.

919
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.660
[audience applause]

920
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:02.660
The other yellow leopard
that's been used

921
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.101
quite a bit by David Salmoni
and was on Jimmy Kimmel's show,

922
00:43:06.201 --> 00:43:07.941
and in fact Paris Hilton
held it.

923
00:43:08.041 --> 00:43:09.541
- [Jimmy] Paris is very
comfortable with this animal.

924
00:43:09.641 --> 00:43:10.981
- You an see she's an old pro.
- I love animals.

925
00:43:11.081 --> 00:43:12.701
- [Tim] And then also
it was used on that

926
00:43:12.801 --> 00:43:15.221
"Fran Drescher Show."
- [Fran] Oh, you sweet thing.

927
00:43:15.321 --> 00:43:17.061
- [Tim] Ended up,
when its use was done,

928
00:43:17.161 --> 00:43:20.741
when it reached a certain size,
it was dumped also here,

929
00:43:20.841 --> 00:43:23.822
and put in the same small cage
as the black leopard.

930
00:43:23.922 --> 00:43:26.022
- [Fran] And what is
the future for this animal?

931
00:43:26.122 --> 00:43:28.382
- [Dave] This guy's
gonna be what they call
an education animal.

932
00:43:28.482 --> 00:43:31.582
So he'll go around and he'll be

933
00:43:31.682 --> 00:43:32.902
teaching people
about conservation.

934
00:43:33.002 --> 00:43:34.502
So he'll be...

935
00:43:34.602 --> 00:43:36.102
- The sad part is,
for five to eight years,

936
00:43:36.202 --> 00:43:37.783
they've been living
in this condition right here,

937
00:43:37.883 --> 00:43:39.663
five to eight years.

938
00:43:39.763 --> 00:43:43.263
These cages are only about
15 foot by 15, maybe 10 feet.

939
00:43:43.363 --> 00:43:47.623
They're separated,
each one's a separate cage.

940
00:43:47.723 --> 00:43:49.223
While this is
going on right now,

941
00:43:49.323 --> 00:43:51.423
they had to move them out
of these cages,

942
00:43:51.523 --> 00:43:53.103
and be placed
in the holding cages,

943
00:43:53.203 --> 00:43:55.264
which is basically
just traveling cages,

944
00:43:55.364 --> 00:43:58.064
small ones so that they
can fix the fencing.

945
00:43:58.164 --> 00:43:59.624
So for the last three weeks,

946
00:43:59.724 --> 00:44:02.664
they've been living
in these travel cages.

947
00:44:02.764 --> 00:44:06.744
This is why David Salmoni
can't tell people the truth.

948
00:44:06.844 --> 00:44:08.904
- There's no positive, there's
no upside to telling you...

949
00:44:09.004 --> 00:44:11.505
- The truth, telling the truth.
- Right.

950
00:44:11.605 --> 00:44:13.305
- There's no upside
to telling the truth, okay.

951
00:44:13.405 --> 00:44:14.865
This is why he can't say,
you know,

952
00:44:14.965 --> 00:44:16.665
when I'm done with this cat,
doing the circuit,

953
00:44:16.765 --> 00:44:19.025
the TV shows
and all the photo ops,

954
00:44:19.125 --> 00:44:21.625
he can't tell you
that they ended up,

955
00:44:21.725 --> 00:44:25.506
you know, dumped into a farm
in Pennsylvania.

956
00:44:25.606 --> 00:44:26.526
- [Dave] You wanna grab him?
Watch your clothes.

957
00:44:26.606 --> 00:44:28.026
- [Fran] Where's his mama?

958
00:44:28.126 --> 00:44:30.586
- His mum's at a nice
little zoo somewhere.

959
00:44:30.686 --> 00:44:32.506
- [Fran] Aww!

960
00:44:32.606 --> 00:44:34.026
- In the name of conservation,

961
00:44:34.126 --> 00:44:36.586
they allowed
these two ambassador cats

962
00:44:36.686 --> 00:44:38.466
to breed here
in this backyard.

963
00:44:38.566 --> 00:44:40.826
[keyboard clacking]

964
00:44:40.926 --> 00:44:43.667
It's so sad.

965
00:44:43.767 --> 00:44:45.767
[keyboard clacking]

966
00:45:07.448 --> 00:45:10.028
We really do have
to pay attention

967
00:45:10.128 --> 00:45:12.348
to what these conservationists
are saying.

968
00:45:12.448 --> 00:45:13.589
- [Woman] ...furry friends.
Hi, Jack.

969
00:45:13.689 --> 00:45:15.189
- Hello.
- [Woman] Who do you have there?

970
00:45:15.289 --> 00:45:16.949
- [Jack] This is a baby leopard,
and the leopard's....

971
00:45:17.049 --> 00:45:19.469
- A perfect example,
Jack was on a TV show,

972
00:45:19.569 --> 00:45:21.589
he had a leopard,
a leopard cub on there.

973
00:45:21.689 --> 00:45:23.989
And he's talking about,
it was part of the SSP,

974
00:45:24.089 --> 00:45:26.509
Species Survival Plan.
- [Jack] Very endangered animal,

975
00:45:26.609 --> 00:45:28.189
it's in the Species
Survival Plan

976
00:45:28.289 --> 00:45:29.510
with American Zoo
and Aquarium Association.

977
00:45:29.610 --> 00:45:30.950
So we monitor every one
of these cats,

978
00:45:31.050 --> 00:45:32.750
wherever they're bred,
and this animal...

979
00:45:32.850 --> 00:45:34.830
- The SSP,
the Species Survival Plan

980
00:45:34.930 --> 00:45:37.670
is actually a legitimate program
with the AZA.

981
00:45:37.770 --> 00:45:40.710
So I immediately went to
the SSP books, the studbooks,

982
00:45:40.810 --> 00:45:43.550
opened them up,
we tried to find that leopard.

983
00:45:43.650 --> 00:45:46.371
Couldn't find it.
That cat's not there.

984
00:45:47.611 --> 00:45:49.791
If it's not in that book,

985
00:45:49.891 --> 00:45:52.431
it does not exist in the SSP.

986
00:45:52.531 --> 00:45:56.671
That got me thinking,
"What's going on here?"

987
00:45:56.771 --> 00:45:57.911
When he was finished
with the cub,

988
00:45:58.011 --> 00:46:00.191
and he was done with it,
a woman came on,

989
00:46:00.291 --> 00:46:04.472
and she started to walk off
with the leopard cub.

990
00:46:04.572 --> 00:46:07.472
It was Grant Kemmerer's wife.

991
00:46:07.572 --> 00:46:10.592
Why is Grant Kemmerer's wife

992
00:46:10.692 --> 00:46:14.592
taking a leopard cub
that's allegedly an SSP cat

993
00:46:14.692 --> 00:46:17.033
off of Jack's lap
and disappearing

994
00:46:17.133 --> 00:46:18.633
off the stage with it?

995
00:46:18.733 --> 00:46:21.913
[tense music]

996
00:46:22.013 --> 00:46:23.713
We started to investigate
a little deeper.

997
00:46:23.813 --> 00:46:27.553
We went in and found some
paperwork, found a transfer,

998
00:46:27.653 --> 00:46:29.753
six months after that TV show

999
00:46:29.853 --> 00:46:33.194
taking a leopard
from Grant Kemmerer

1000
00:46:33.294 --> 00:46:36.254
to Critter Country Farm.

1001
00:46:41.574 --> 00:46:44.114
How do we know
if that was the same cat

1002
00:46:44.214 --> 00:46:46.834
that Jack Hanna had on his lap?
We'll never know.

1003
00:46:46.934 --> 00:46:50.815
♪♪

1004
00:47:05.496 --> 00:47:07.496
[birds chirping]

1005
00:47:14.456 --> 00:47:17.236
[indistinct chatter]

1006
00:47:17.336 --> 00:47:19.316
Let me see if I can help out.

1007
00:47:19.416 --> 00:47:22.337
[muffled voices in distance]

1008
00:47:32.977 --> 00:47:35.518
All right, well,
she's definitely not

1009
00:47:35.618 --> 00:47:37.158
going to work with us.

1010
00:47:37.258 --> 00:47:39.558
She's definitely not gonna
turn over any cats.

1011
00:47:39.658 --> 00:47:42.598
In her mind,

1012
00:47:42.698 --> 00:47:44.718
she knows something
bad can happen,

1013
00:47:44.818 --> 00:47:47.098
but she says, "We'll just
take it as it comes."

1014
00:47:50.818 --> 00:47:54.559
What you see back there
is the absolute poster child

1015
00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:57.299
for why we need
the Big Cat Public Safety Act.

1016
00:48:22.220 --> 00:48:24.221
[sirens wailing]

1017
00:48:27.781 --> 00:48:30.541
- [Woman] Clayton County 911,
what's the location
of your emergency?

1018
00:48:50.062 --> 00:48:52.062
[airplane engine roaring]

1019
00:48:55.343 --> 00:48:58.163
- Here I am coming back
to Washington DC again.

1020
00:48:58.263 --> 00:49:00.243
I got a call from Jason Osborne.

1021
00:49:00.343 --> 00:49:02.763
Jason has got his fingers
on the pulse out here.

1022
00:49:02.863 --> 00:49:04.763
He's working with the Big Cat
Public Safety Act here

1023
00:49:04.863 --> 00:49:06.603
on a national level.

1024
00:49:06.703 --> 00:49:08.203
So he knows what's going on.

1025
00:49:08.303 --> 00:49:10.443
And he says we have
a big issue right now.

1026
00:49:10.543 --> 00:49:12.324
So we're gonna find out
what that is.

1027
00:49:12.424 --> 00:49:14.524
- But we've been
confronted recently with

1028
00:49:14.624 --> 00:49:16.324
what we feel is
a good opportunity,

1029
00:49:16.424 --> 00:49:18.284
and a good member,
Senator Portman

1030
00:49:18.384 --> 00:49:21.404
from your home state,
he's a great guy,

1031
00:49:21.504 --> 00:49:24.324
very knowledgeable
about this issue,

1032
00:49:24.424 --> 00:49:27.405
and wants to do
the right thing on this.

1033
00:49:27.505 --> 00:49:30.565
And what we came to realise
is that Jack Hanna

1034
00:49:30.665 --> 00:49:33.285
and the Columbus Zoo
have come in

1035
00:49:33.385 --> 00:49:34.845
and kind of put a halt on it.

1036
00:49:34.945 --> 00:49:38.365
He's been to DC quite a bit
on this specific issue.

1037
00:49:38.465 --> 00:49:39.765
He's been into
the members' offices.

1038
00:49:39.865 --> 00:49:42.486
He's on the phone with staff.

1039
00:49:42.586 --> 00:49:46.326
And for one person
to hold this up

1040
00:49:46.426 --> 00:49:51.086
in this senator's case,
it's tragic.

1041
00:49:51.186 --> 00:49:52.886
- Well, whenever we go
to these offices,

1042
00:49:52.986 --> 00:49:54.766
people are like, "You should
get Jack Hanna involved."

1043
00:49:54.866 --> 00:49:57.526
We're like, "He is absolutely
the biggest problem

1044
00:49:57.626 --> 00:49:58.847
that we're facing."

1045
00:49:58.947 --> 00:50:00.647
- Well, we're in
a tug of war, right now.

1046
00:50:00.747 --> 00:50:03.407
Every time we start pulling,

1047
00:50:03.507 --> 00:50:06.207
the other side starts pulling
a little of that back.

1048
00:50:06.307 --> 00:50:08.247
- As you're walking out the door
of these offices,

1049
00:50:08.347 --> 00:50:10.007
you can bet
that it won't be long

1050
00:50:10.107 --> 00:50:11.607
after you're out of the building

1051
00:50:11.707 --> 00:50:13.827
that they're gonna be
in there opposing it.

1052
00:50:17.988 --> 00:50:19.608
- [Jason] For folks
to come up here,

1053
00:50:19.708 --> 00:50:21.488
and they bring
these animals up here--

1054
00:50:21.588 --> 00:50:23.608
- They're bringing animals
to Washington DC?

1055
00:50:23.708 --> 00:50:25.608
- Oh, yeah.
- Oh, wow.

1056
00:50:25.708 --> 00:50:27.848
- Every year there's actually,

1057
00:50:27.948 --> 00:50:31.609
right over there in the House
in the Longworth Building,

1058
00:50:31.709 --> 00:50:34.249
every year there's a reception
that Doc Antle hosts

1059
00:50:34.349 --> 00:50:36.729
where he brings in tiger cubs.

1060
00:50:36.829 --> 00:50:38.949
- Every year?
- Every year.

1061
00:50:41.709 --> 00:50:43.169
So some of these congressmen
that have been

1062
00:50:43.269 --> 00:50:46.950
our opponents for years
are hosting him.

1063
00:50:55.670 --> 00:50:57.450
In DC, the law is,
you're not allowed

1064
00:50:57.550 --> 00:51:01.570
to touch these animals.

1065
00:51:01.670 --> 00:51:05.131
You know, this is illegal,
but yet they still let it

1066
00:51:05.231 --> 00:51:07.531
continue to happen because
it's happening in Congress.

1067
00:51:07.631 --> 00:51:09.531
- Wow!
- Yeah, it's awful.

1068
00:51:09.631 --> 00:51:11.491
- How do you fight that?
How are you fighting it, Jason?

1069
00:51:11.591 --> 00:51:13.651
- Exactly.

1070
00:51:13.751 --> 00:51:15.491
- It's such a difficult thing
to overcome,

1071
00:51:15.591 --> 00:51:17.291
because when somebody's
standing in the presence

1072
00:51:17.391 --> 00:51:19.932
of a cheetah or some
other magnificent animal,

1073
00:51:20.032 --> 00:51:22.132
they're just focused on,
when do I get to pet it?

1074
00:51:22.232 --> 00:51:24.372
They're not thinking about
the underlying issues.

1075
00:51:24.472 --> 00:51:27.132
So it just causes such
a huge problem for us

1076
00:51:27.232 --> 00:51:29.372
to be able to try
and overcome.

1077
00:51:29.472 --> 00:51:31.472
[keyboard clacking]

1078
00:51:35.473 --> 00:51:37.693
- The only thing
that could overcome this is,

1079
00:51:37.793 --> 00:51:41.453
while the Columbus Zoo
is the biggest zoo in Ohio,

1080
00:51:41.553 --> 00:51:43.973
there are a number
of other AZA zoos in Ohio.

1081
00:51:44.073 --> 00:51:46.333
The AZA supports the bill.

1082
00:51:46.433 --> 00:51:49.013
So if we could get
those guys to sign on,

1083
00:51:49.113 --> 00:51:51.894
so we could go in and prove

1084
00:51:51.994 --> 00:51:54.534
that Columbus and Jack Hanna
are outliers,

1085
00:51:54.634 --> 00:51:56.214
that they're on the wrong side
of this issue.

1086
00:51:56.314 --> 00:51:59.574
That is the only way
that we're going to be able

1087
00:51:59.674 --> 00:52:01.054
to get through.

1088
00:52:01.154 --> 00:52:03.414
- I'm calling to speak
with Liz Fowler.

1089
00:52:03.514 --> 00:52:07.135
Hey, this is Tim Harrison.
I was calling to speak
with Thane Maynard if he's in.

1090
00:52:07.235 --> 00:52:08.935
This is Tim Harrison
calling back for Bob,

1091
00:52:09.035 --> 00:52:10.615
he told me to give him
a call back.

1092
00:52:10.715 --> 00:52:12.715
- [Bob]
Thanks for reaching out to us.

1093
00:52:15.995 --> 00:52:17.695
- This is their baby.

1094
00:52:17.795 --> 00:52:21.035
So we really need you all to
step up and do the right thing.

1095
00:52:25.596 --> 00:52:27.496
- That's great, that's exactly
what I wanna hear.

1096
00:52:27.596 --> 00:52:31.176
Just staying away from private
breeders, private ownership.

1097
00:52:31.276 --> 00:52:32.936
Unless you're involved
with anything like that,

1098
00:52:33.036 --> 00:52:34.656
you're doing fine.

1099
00:52:34.756 --> 00:52:37.977
- [Thane] I know you know...

1100
00:52:38.077 --> 00:52:42.417
So he must have sent
four out of five to...

1101
00:52:42.517 --> 00:52:44.377
- So there's nothing
we can do about that.

1102
00:52:44.477 --> 00:52:46.697
What I'm doing is trying
to get the four zoos here,

1103
00:52:46.797 --> 00:52:48.177
because I know
I'm not gonna get Columbus.

1104
00:52:48.277 --> 00:52:50.537
- We'll do some process here.

1105
00:52:50.637 --> 00:52:53.018
I imagine we can weigh in.
- Excellent.

1106
00:52:53.118 --> 00:52:55.118
[Liz Fowler speaking]

1107
00:52:56.838 --> 00:52:59.078
- That's good, that's good.
I like to hear that.

1108
00:53:03.958 --> 00:53:06.138
- I can't thank you enough,
Liz, that's encouraging,

1109
00:53:06.238 --> 00:53:08.378
that's exactly
what I wanna hear.

1110
00:53:08.478 --> 00:53:09.659
Looks good.

1111
00:53:09.759 --> 00:53:11.539
Now she's got
the Northeast zoos,

1112
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.779
that's Cleveland,
Toledo, and Akron.

1113
00:53:13.879 --> 00:53:16.259
- [Man] Let me talk
with our curators tomorrow,

1114
00:53:16.359 --> 00:53:17.979
and I'll get a sense
of where they are.

1115
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:19.819
- Yeah, I haven't talked
to Doug yet,

1116
00:53:19.919 --> 00:53:22.739
but I'm going up to Detroit Zoo
with Ron Kagan up there,

1117
00:53:22.839 --> 00:53:26.860
he's a big supporter,
and have a conference call
with Doug from the Akron Zoo.

1118
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.500
And we're gonna see if we can't
get on the same page.

1119
00:53:29.600 --> 00:53:33.820
- [Doug] Modern standard is
and what the expectation is,
I doubt it will work.

1120
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:37.420
- So my suggestion,
because I think Tim in a way

1121
00:53:37.520 --> 00:53:40.501
has put a challenge
in front of us,

1122
00:53:40.601 --> 00:53:45.581
I'd like us to be in front of it
rather than others actually.

1123
00:53:45.681 --> 00:53:47.661
- [Doug] I totally
agree with you.

1124
00:53:47.761 --> 00:53:49.761
And the bottom line is...

1125
00:53:54.401 --> 00:53:56.382
- Absolutely right.

1126
00:53:56.482 --> 00:53:59.902
- [Doug] And we are the leaders
in animal care and welfare.

1127
00:54:00.002 --> 00:54:03.382
And that then requires us
to take that position.

1128
00:54:03.482 --> 00:54:06.542
- It's not some
radical extreme view.

1129
00:54:06.642 --> 00:54:09.702
This is, we want
to keep your kids safe,

1130
00:54:09.802 --> 00:54:11.302
if you're our neighbors,

1131
00:54:11.402 --> 00:54:13.743
and we want to keep
the animals safe.

1132
00:54:13.843 --> 00:54:16.443
Why is anyone arguing
about that?

1133
00:54:26.523 --> 00:54:28.784
- I had a fan that used to
show up at my shows,

1134
00:54:28.884 --> 00:54:30.704
because I used to do live shows.

1135
00:54:30.804 --> 00:54:34.944
I would come to places
and show animals I rescued.

1136
00:54:35.044 --> 00:54:37.664
So he'd show up
and he'd talk about snakes.

1137
00:54:37.764 --> 00:54:39.744
He was big in snakes,
and he really loved--

1138
00:54:39.844 --> 00:54:43.825
I'd get him up and help him hold
the big 15-, 16-foot python.

1139
00:54:43.925 --> 00:54:46.465
He loved it, he loved
the snakes and the pythons.

1140
00:54:46.565 --> 00:54:48.465
And he saw me working
with these animals.

1141
00:54:48.565 --> 00:54:52.545
He watched all the newscasts
and all the TV shows I was on.

1142
00:54:52.645 --> 00:54:54.225
Go back to being a paramedic

1143
00:54:54.325 --> 00:54:57.265
after... being Jungle Tim
for while.

1144
00:54:57.365 --> 00:55:00.506
It's what I've done for national
shows and also local shows.

1145
00:55:00.606 --> 00:55:02.586
And this is what the kids
and the families like,

1146
00:55:02.686 --> 00:55:04.666
me come out with my jungle hat.

1147
00:55:04.766 --> 00:55:06.706
And it's kind of a persona
that they like.

1148
00:55:06.806 --> 00:55:09.626
There was pictures,
his sister showed me

1149
00:55:09.726 --> 00:55:12.826
and my friends of him
actually having a jungle hat

1150
00:55:12.926 --> 00:55:15.306
like I was wearing
and having a snake.

1151
00:55:15.406 --> 00:55:17.027
Well, these snakes here
are people's pets.

1152
00:55:17.127 --> 00:55:18.987
They'd be buying through
the Trading Post classified ads,

1153
00:55:19.087 --> 00:55:20.947
through advertisements.
What they see on national...

1154
00:55:21.047 --> 00:55:23.147
That's when I learned the
"monkey see, monkey do" thing

1155
00:55:23.247 --> 00:55:25.627
really hit me hard.

1156
00:55:25.727 --> 00:55:28.547
With Ted, they said

1157
00:55:28.647 --> 00:55:31.668
his girlfriend and he
were in the house,

1158
00:55:31.768 --> 00:55:34.348
and apparently Ted went down
and tried to get the snake

1159
00:55:34.448 --> 00:55:36.108
and fell into the snake,
into the cage.

1160
00:55:36.208 --> 00:55:37.388
The snake got hold of him.

1161
00:55:37.488 --> 00:55:40.868
It was a 15-foot
Burmese Python he had.

1162
00:55:40.968 --> 00:55:44.468
Constricted him
and killed him.

1163
00:55:44.568 --> 00:55:46.348
- [Woman] Please, the snake's
wrapped around his neck, ma'am.

1164
00:55:46.448 --> 00:55:48.829
Please, he's got blood all over.
Oh, my God, please!

1165
00:55:48.929 --> 00:55:50.469
[sirens wailing]

1166
00:55:50.569 --> 00:55:52.569
Please!

1167
00:55:55.929 --> 00:56:00.269
- That changed me a lot
when it came to...

1168
00:56:00.369 --> 00:56:03.110
wanting to continue
doing like what Jack Hanna

1169
00:56:03.210 --> 00:56:05.110
and the rest of them do,
bringing animals out

1170
00:56:05.210 --> 00:56:07.270
and showing them to people.

1171
00:56:07.370 --> 00:56:09.310
I started realizing that maybe

1172
00:56:09.410 --> 00:56:10.590
I'm part of the problem
in a sense,

1173
00:56:10.690 --> 00:56:11.990
I'm part of the solution.

1174
00:56:12.090 --> 00:56:14.630
People were not listening.

1175
00:56:14.730 --> 00:56:16.590
I did not want to be
that person anymore.

1176
00:56:16.690 --> 00:56:18.190
I didn't want
the jungle hat anymore.

1177
00:56:18.290 --> 00:56:20.591
I didn't want to do
that stuff anymore.

1178
00:56:20.691 --> 00:56:23.711
These kids are gonna imitate it.
The adults are gonna imitate it.

1179
00:56:23.811 --> 00:56:27.671
And that's not the only person
I lost that I knew,

1180
00:56:27.771 --> 00:56:29.671
but that was the one that
actually looked me in the face

1181
00:56:29.771 --> 00:56:31.771
and call me his hero.

1182
00:56:42.252 --> 00:56:43.512
- [TV Presenter]
West, northwest around

1183
00:56:43.612 --> 00:56:45.872
18 miles per hour right now.

1184
00:56:45.972 --> 00:56:48.132
So a little bit breezy...

1185
00:56:56.293 --> 00:56:57.873
[turn signal ticking]
- Yeah, we're gonna

1186
00:56:57.973 --> 00:56:59.793
head on down this way.
Should be up a few blocks here.

1187
00:56:59.893 --> 00:57:01.893
[knocking on door]
On the left.

1188
00:57:04.813 --> 00:57:06.814
I need to go around back
and see what happens.

1189
00:57:09.414 --> 00:57:11.514
Hi, any of you guys
know Boone Smith?

1190
00:57:11.614 --> 00:57:13.274
- [Man] Yeah, Boone's next door.

1191
00:57:13.374 --> 00:57:14.994
- Well, we've got
the right spot.

1192
00:57:15.094 --> 00:57:16.554
This is the town he lives in.

1193
00:57:16.654 --> 00:57:18.514
[knocking on door]

1194
00:57:18.614 --> 00:57:20.114
I hate going to somebody's home,

1195
00:57:20.214 --> 00:57:22.715
I hate having to go
to their place of employment.

1196
00:57:22.815 --> 00:57:24.275
This is definitely his house.

1197
00:57:24.375 --> 00:57:26.395
But they're forcing me
to do this

1198
00:57:26.495 --> 00:57:29.275
when all they had to do is
get on the phone and call.

1199
00:57:29.375 --> 00:57:32.155
Gotta look for
a Sierra truck also, too.

1200
00:57:32.255 --> 00:57:35.455
Oh, here we go.
Here we go.

1201
00:57:44.496 --> 00:57:45.996
Hey, Boone.
- [Boone] Found him.

1202
00:57:46.096 --> 00:57:48.756
- How you doing? Tim Harrison.
I'm a retired cop.

1203
00:57:48.856 --> 00:57:50.596
What I'm trying to do is
figure out what happens

1204
00:57:50.696 --> 00:57:53.196
to some of these cats that were
used as ambassador animals.

1205
00:57:53.296 --> 00:57:55.277
- Okay.
- See if you can't help me out.

1206
00:57:55.377 --> 00:57:57.277
You're my last resort, really.
- Okay.

1207
00:57:57.377 --> 00:57:59.377
- Do you have any idea
what happens to them at all?

1208
00:58:01.457 --> 00:58:03.117
- Your ambassador cats,
so it's kind of like one

1209
00:58:03.217 --> 00:58:05.217
of those situations where
we're trying to figure out.

1210
00:58:06.977 --> 00:58:09.737
- Think they do end up back
in zoos or some place like that?

1211
00:58:14.058 --> 00:58:16.058
- Okay, where you think
they come from then?

1212
00:58:16.618 --> 00:58:18.278
- Like facilities.

1213
00:58:18.378 --> 00:58:21.638
Would you think like private
owners or something like that?

1214
00:58:21.738 --> 00:58:24.038
Okay, it just makes me
aggravated because as we go out

1215
00:58:24.138 --> 00:58:26.799
to try to find these animals,
we can't find them.

1216
00:58:26.899 --> 00:58:29.579
That's scary, and to me, Boone,
that's not right.

1217
00:58:35.179 --> 00:58:37.439
- Where are they going?
If they're not going to
an accredited sanctuary,

1218
00:58:37.539 --> 00:58:39.039
where the hell
are these cats going?

1219
00:58:39.139 --> 00:58:40.719
When I go over
to the tiger projects,

1220
00:58:40.819 --> 00:58:43.360
we know where
those tigers are, okay?

1221
00:58:43.460 --> 00:58:45.560
We can't find a tiger
that was in your lap

1222
00:58:45.660 --> 00:58:48.880
on a "Good Morning America,"
or something?

1223
00:58:48.980 --> 00:58:52.220
You know what I'm talking about.
You feel my pain, right?

1224
00:58:56.500 --> 00:58:59.041
- All I care about is Jake,

1225
00:58:59.141 --> 00:59:01.521
all I care about is Jingles,
all I care about Queen.

1226
00:59:01.621 --> 00:59:04.521
I don't care about
what happens to you
or anybody else right now.

1227
00:59:04.621 --> 00:59:07.921
All I care about is these cats,
you see what I mean?

1228
00:59:08.021 --> 00:59:09.841
Take that with you,
but I want you to hold on to it.

1229
00:59:09.941 --> 00:59:12.161
No, you have to keep that
because later on
you're gonna want

1230
00:59:12.261 --> 00:59:14.162
to know why you didn't call me,
you really are.

1231
00:59:14.262 --> 00:59:16.262
No, you really are.

1232
00:59:19.822 --> 00:59:21.822
I need a shower.

1233
00:59:23.342 --> 00:59:25.922
[engine turns over]

1234
00:59:26.022 --> 00:59:29.603
Same garbage, same bull

1235
00:59:29.703 --> 00:59:32.003
that every one of them said,

1236
00:59:32.103 --> 00:59:34.843
same garbage, same bull,
same everything.

1237
00:59:34.943 --> 00:59:38.403
[tense music]

1238
00:59:38.503 --> 00:59:40.923
I told him, I said,
"These cats are missing."

1239
00:59:41.023 --> 00:59:44.363
And here he is, the number one
big cat expert in the world,

1240
00:59:44.463 --> 00:59:46.644
and he, "I don't know,
I can't help you."

1241
00:59:46.744 --> 00:59:48.564
- [Boone] You're asking--
- You don't know.

1242
00:59:48.664 --> 00:59:50.204
- You're asking questions.

1243
00:59:50.304 --> 00:59:52.764
- I hand him the folder,
and he holds it in his hand,

1244
00:59:52.864 --> 00:59:56.364
doesn't even look at it.
He tries to give it back to me.

1245
00:59:56.464 --> 01:00:00.124
- No, you have to keep that...
Here's a folder with your cats,

1246
01:00:00.224 --> 01:00:02.365
your ambassador animals
are missing.

1247
01:00:02.465 --> 01:00:03.845
And he pushes them back at me

1248
01:00:03.945 --> 01:00:06.685
'cause he does not want that
in his hands.

1249
01:00:06.785 --> 01:00:08.125
...why you didn't call me,
you really are.

1250
01:00:08.225 --> 01:00:09.565
No, you really are.

1251
01:00:09.665 --> 01:00:11.445
- Jingles is a Bengal tiger,
another one

1252
01:00:11.545 --> 01:00:13.485
of our animal ambassadors.
[tiger meows]

1253
01:00:13.585 --> 01:00:15.205
One of the animals that we
highlight in this--

1254
01:00:15.305 --> 01:00:16.565
[tiger yowling]

1255
01:00:16.665 --> 01:00:18.606
- [Savannah] What does
that sound mean?

1256
01:00:18.706 --> 01:00:21.366
- Right off the bat,
he admitted to it.

1257
01:00:21.466 --> 01:00:23.646
He admitted to what
I've been saying for years,

1258
01:00:23.746 --> 01:00:24.966
that these animals are coming

1259
01:00:25.066 --> 01:00:27.526
from private dealers,
private people.

1260
01:00:27.626 --> 01:00:29.726
- This is Millie,
she's a Bengal tiger.

1261
01:00:29.826 --> 01:00:32.086
- Straight forward,
right to my face,

1262
01:00:32.186 --> 01:00:35.047
do they go to zoos?
"No."

1263
01:00:35.147 --> 01:00:36.847
Do they go to private people?

1264
01:00:36.947 --> 01:00:38.287
"Yes."

1265
01:00:38.387 --> 01:00:41.647
That's historic,
that's absolutely amazing.

1266
01:00:41.747 --> 01:00:44.187
That explains it all.

1267
01:00:45.707 --> 01:00:47.707
- [Boone] I guess
I shouldn't say.

1268
01:00:49.788 --> 01:00:52.448
- [Man] As Jake grows up, what's
gonna be in store for him?

1269
01:00:52.548 --> 01:00:54.488
- Jake is at a zoo,

1270
01:00:54.588 --> 01:00:57.808
and he's what we call
an ambassador animal.

1271
01:00:57.908 --> 01:01:00.848
- Is it true that their skin
is actually striped too?

1272
01:01:00.948 --> 01:01:02.168
- Yeah, underneath, yeah.

1273
01:01:02.268 --> 01:01:03.408
The cool thing
about their stripes,

1274
01:01:03.508 --> 01:01:06.009
it's like a fingerprint for us.

1275
01:01:06.109 --> 01:01:09.129
It's an individual pattern
that is specific to him
and identifies him.

1276
01:01:09.229 --> 01:01:10.609
And that's a really cool thing
about tigers.

1277
01:01:10.709 --> 01:01:12.889
They can identify him
by his stripes.

1278
01:01:12.989 --> 01:01:14.609
- What's unique about the tiger,

1279
01:01:14.709 --> 01:01:16.689
and it's unlike the lions
and some of the other cats,

1280
01:01:16.789 --> 01:01:19.769
is that their stripes
are just like our fingerprints.

1281
01:01:19.869 --> 01:01:22.170
No two are alike,
and they never change.

1282
01:01:22.270 --> 01:01:24.410
So if you have a good photo,
or a good video,

1283
01:01:24.510 --> 01:01:26.130
you can actually identify
that tiger

1284
01:01:26.230 --> 01:01:28.750
when it's an infant
all the way throughout its life.

1285
01:01:31.550 --> 01:01:33.490
So I wanna update you guys
on a little progress.

1286
01:01:33.590 --> 01:01:35.370
I think I've got something
very interesting

1287
01:01:35.470 --> 01:01:36.971
you guys may wanna see.

1288
01:01:37.071 --> 01:01:41.131
It's utilizing how we can
identify the tigers,

1289
01:01:41.231 --> 01:01:42.971
individual tigers
by their stripes.

1290
01:01:43.071 --> 01:01:45.491
- We'll put it on right now.
- Tee it up.

1291
01:01:45.591 --> 01:01:47.611
- [Jeff] So I started trying
to match the stripes

1292
01:01:47.711 --> 01:01:49.771
on the tigers
we are looking for

1293
01:01:49.871 --> 01:01:53.132
with stripes on the tigers
out there on social media.

1294
01:01:53.232 --> 01:01:55.052
And I came across this post.

1295
01:01:55.152 --> 01:01:57.572
It's a tiger cub being exploited
at the same time

1296
01:01:57.672 --> 01:01:59.732
that Boone Smith had a cub.

1297
01:01:59.832 --> 01:02:03.292
And the post refers
to the same name, Jake.

1298
01:02:03.392 --> 01:02:04.852
- [Boone] Yeah, this is Jake.

1299
01:02:04.952 --> 01:02:06.852
And he's here to teach us
a little bit about

1300
01:02:06.952 --> 01:02:08.373
some of these big cats.

1301
01:02:08.473 --> 01:02:10.733
- Wow.
- [Jeff] Now here's the kicker.

1302
01:02:10.833 --> 01:02:14.573
The post is from
Cyndi Huntsman in Ohio,

1303
01:02:14.673 --> 01:02:16.693
and the tiger's being used
as a mascot

1304
01:02:16.793 --> 01:02:20.413
for a high school football team
called the Massillon Tigers.

1305
01:02:20.513 --> 01:02:22.453
- Yeah.
I'm from Ohio.

1306
01:02:22.553 --> 01:02:23.974
And the Massillon High School's

1307
01:02:24.074 --> 01:02:26.894
a very well known
football dynasty up there.

1308
01:02:26.994 --> 01:02:28.814
And for years,
and years, and years,

1309
01:02:28.914 --> 01:02:33.294
they used a tiger cub to promote
their Friday night lights.

1310
01:02:33.394 --> 01:02:35.614
So each tiger cub
was called Obie.

1311
01:02:35.714 --> 01:02:38.054
So what it is,
is that every year,
they'd get an Obie,

1312
01:02:38.154 --> 01:02:40.615
sometimes an Obie would die,
they'd get another Obie.

1313
01:02:40.715 --> 01:02:42.695
And it's still counted
as Obie One, Obie Two,

1314
01:02:42.795 --> 01:02:45.175
Obie Three, Obie Four.
And then to be moved on

1315
01:02:45.275 --> 01:02:48.015
after you're no longer used
who knows where.

1316
01:02:48.115 --> 01:02:51.015
- [Jeff] Yeah, that's what
I'm looking at right here.

1317
01:02:51.115 --> 01:02:53.115
[children chanting "Obie"]

1318
01:02:56.556 --> 01:03:00.136
They, you know, drag him around
these huge student gatherings

1319
01:03:00.236 --> 01:03:03.056
in elementary schools
with hundreds of kids screaming.

1320
01:03:03.156 --> 01:03:05.416
[kids screaming]

1321
01:03:05.516 --> 01:03:07.016
- This is unbelievable.

1322
01:03:07.116 --> 01:03:08.576
- [Jeff] The tiger actually
has physical contact

1323
01:03:08.676 --> 01:03:11.216
with the kids
on a couple of occasions.

1324
01:03:11.316 --> 01:03:14.237
[kids screaming]

1325
01:03:17.277 --> 01:03:18.937
- And yet this is a facility
where the USDA

1326
01:03:19.037 --> 01:03:22.137
continued to renew
this person's license.

1327
01:03:22.237 --> 01:03:24.497
- This is the same place that
Jack Hanna gets his cats from,

1328
01:03:24.597 --> 01:03:25.617
The Stump Hill Farm.

1329
01:03:25.717 --> 01:03:27.718
[kids screaming]

1330
01:03:30.758 --> 01:03:33.098
- [Jeff] So here's where it
gets really interesting.

1331
01:03:33.198 --> 01:03:35.338
So I went and got some
screen captures

1332
01:03:35.438 --> 01:03:38.898
when Boone Smith had Jake
on "The Today Show."

1333
01:03:38.998 --> 01:03:41.618
And when I looked
at that same time period,

1334
01:03:41.718 --> 01:03:43.739
the Massillon High School
tiger mascot was

1335
01:03:43.839 --> 01:03:46.539
Obie number 43.

1336
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:48.099
And then I lined up
those stripes,

1337
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:50.299
stripes line up exactly.

1338
01:03:50.399 --> 01:03:52.939
So I got a fingerprint
100% match.

1339
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.579
Jake is Obie number 43.

1340
01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:58.859
- Absolutely.
Good, good job, good job.

1341
01:03:58.959 --> 01:04:01.940
- Arc over the right eye.
- Yeah.

1342
01:04:02.040 --> 01:04:03.740
- [Boone] Everybody that I know
we've used in the past,

1343
01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:05.100
they're licensed and legit.

1344
01:04:05.200 --> 01:04:07.200
Like the time
I've been involved...

1345
01:04:11.240 --> 01:04:14.420
- [Jeff] Just to be clear,
this was going on the same time

1346
01:04:14.520 --> 01:04:19.781
that Boone Smith was using Jake
as an ambassador cat.

1347
01:04:19.881 --> 01:04:21.621
- ...is to let people know
that these guys

1348
01:04:21.721 --> 01:04:25.341
are in danger
and we need to protect them.

1349
01:04:25.441 --> 01:04:27.101
We wanna do what we can
to bring awareness,

1350
01:04:27.201 --> 01:04:29.301
to help people
have some knowledge

1351
01:04:29.401 --> 01:04:31.702
that we need to do some things
and step in and save these guys

1352
01:04:31.802 --> 01:04:34.582
before they do get in trouble.

1353
01:04:34.682 --> 01:04:37.622
[melancholy music]

1354
01:04:37.722 --> 01:04:41.602
♪♪

1355
01:05:00.363 --> 01:05:01.823
- To do this all the time,

1356
01:05:01.923 --> 01:05:04.064
you're talking about a lot
of young animals.

1357
01:05:04.164 --> 01:05:05.624
- [Tim] Every year,
it's new every year.

1358
01:05:05.724 --> 01:05:06.944
- Every a year, and every show

1359
01:05:07.044 --> 01:05:08.904
you have to have
something different.

1360
01:05:09.004 --> 01:05:11.464
Where are all these animals?

1361
01:05:11.564 --> 01:05:14.504
[upbeat music]

1362
01:05:14.604 --> 01:05:19.825
♪♪

1363
01:05:19.925 --> 01:05:21.785
[tigers growling]

1364
01:05:21.885 --> 01:05:25.305
These little guys are
a little over a year old.

1365
01:05:25.405 --> 01:05:27.025
We got them at the start

1366
01:05:27.125 --> 01:05:29.425
of the picture cub season
last year.

1367
01:05:29.525 --> 01:05:33.505
They'll be here
for 18 to 20 more years.

1368
01:05:33.605 --> 01:05:35.546
- [Tim] I've known
Mary Haven for years.

1369
01:05:35.646 --> 01:05:37.346
She does a great job.

1370
01:05:37.446 --> 01:05:41.266
Her whole mission is to care
for other people's mistakes.

1371
01:05:41.366 --> 01:05:42.506
- It's like a puppy mill.

1372
01:05:42.606 --> 01:05:44.266
It's the same thing
as a puppy mill,

1373
01:05:44.366 --> 01:05:46.386
only bigger and...

1374
01:05:46.486 --> 01:05:47.426
- [Tim] More dangerous.

1375
01:05:47.526 --> 01:05:48.386
- [Mary] More dangerous, yeah.

1376
01:05:48.486 --> 01:05:50.187
[tiger growling]

1377
01:05:50.287 --> 01:05:52.947
- [Tim] It's a great facility,
it's not open to the public.

1378
01:05:53.047 --> 01:05:54.827
Most people don't
even know it exists.

1379
01:05:54.927 --> 01:05:56.147
- I don't know
where he came from,

1380
01:05:56.247 --> 01:05:57.947
but I do know
he went to the circus.

1381
01:05:58.047 --> 01:06:00.427
- [Tim] The circus, okay.
It's only a few of us

1382
01:06:00.527 --> 01:06:02.387
big cat people
in the rescue business

1383
01:06:02.487 --> 01:06:04.467
that know that she even has
a place down there.

1384
01:06:04.567 --> 01:06:07.468
- [Mary] And also, we let
all the growth in the cages

1385
01:06:07.568 --> 01:06:09.148
grow up because
it's cooler for them,

1386
01:06:09.248 --> 01:06:10.628
and they love to hide in it.

1387
01:06:10.728 --> 01:06:11.748
If we were open to the public,

1388
01:06:11.848 --> 01:06:13.228
that's not gonna
be very pleasing

1389
01:06:13.328 --> 01:06:15.548
because they're never
gonna see an animal.

1390
01:06:15.648 --> 01:06:17.188
- [Tim] If I had
endangered species,

1391
01:06:17.288 --> 01:06:19.548
that I've been using
as ambassador animals,

1392
01:06:19.648 --> 01:06:22.429
where would be a perfect place
for me to dump these animals?

1393
01:06:22.529 --> 01:06:24.509
- That they will
let them come here

1394
01:06:24.609 --> 01:06:27.149
is because I don't name names.
It's not that I don't want to...

1395
01:06:27.249 --> 01:06:29.349
- [Tim] It would be hidden
in the hills of Tennessee,

1396
01:06:29.449 --> 01:06:32.829
out of sight, out of mind.

1397
01:06:32.929 --> 01:06:35.429
- And how old are these,
you said?

1398
01:06:35.529 --> 01:06:37.710
- [Mary] Almost two.

1399
01:06:37.810 --> 01:06:41.790
- Jingles was born in...
wait a minute.

1400
01:06:41.890 --> 01:06:45.230
No.

1401
01:06:45.330 --> 01:06:48.750
- [Mary] Come on, buddy,
Sven, come here, boy.

1402
01:06:48.850 --> 01:06:50.110
- [Tim] So this is Sven, huh?

1403
01:06:50.210 --> 01:06:51.350
- Come here, come, come.

1404
01:06:51.450 --> 01:06:53.711
[leopard growls]
He'll snarl.

1405
01:06:53.811 --> 01:06:55.711
- [Tim] So Sven and Olaf.

1406
01:06:55.811 --> 01:06:58.831
- [Mary] Yeah.

1407
01:06:58.931 --> 01:07:00.351
- [Tim] So you know,
I'm just not used to seeing

1408
01:07:00.451 --> 01:07:04.351
a snow leopard
in a rescue environment.

1409
01:07:04.451 --> 01:07:07.191
- There are not
as many snow leopards
in the private market,

1410
01:07:07.291 --> 01:07:09.752
which is where most
rescue animals come from.

1411
01:07:09.852 --> 01:07:11.392
[camera clicks]

1412
01:07:11.492 --> 01:07:17.392
So it is more rare
for a sanctuary to have them.

1413
01:07:17.492 --> 01:07:19.552
- Where did these guys
come from?

1414
01:07:19.652 --> 01:07:21.032
- They came
from a facility in Kansas

1415
01:07:21.132 --> 01:07:25.593
that does a lot of breeding
of AZA animals.

1416
01:07:25.693 --> 01:07:28.453
And that's where they came from.

1417
01:07:35.573 --> 01:07:39.873
- We have the most adorable
snow leopard.

1418
01:07:39.973 --> 01:07:41.794
- [Jack] If they start
crying a little bit,

1419
01:07:41.894 --> 01:07:44.114
everyone at home,
they're doing fine.

1420
01:07:44.214 --> 01:07:45.834
- Oh, this poor guy is scared.
- [Jack] And that fur--

1421
01:07:45.934 --> 01:07:47.394
you see, George,
you feel that fur?

1422
01:07:47.494 --> 01:07:49.554
- Is there a possibility
Sven and Olaf

1423
01:07:49.654 --> 01:07:53.234
were potentially used
as a cub on TV?

1424
01:07:53.334 --> 01:07:54.594
- No, I don't think they do

1425
01:07:54.694 --> 01:07:56.154
any commercial activities
like that.

1426
01:07:56.254 --> 01:07:59.435
They do not do
any handling within the zoo.

1427
01:07:59.535 --> 01:08:01.235
And as far as I know,

1428
01:08:01.335 --> 01:08:04.395
I don't know of any of them
that go off site with animals,

1429
01:08:04.495 --> 01:08:07.215
or entertainment industries
at all.

1430
01:08:11.335 --> 01:08:14.796
If you're gonna be
accredited by the AZA,

1431
01:08:14.896 --> 01:08:16.236
there are certain rules
and standards

1432
01:08:16.336 --> 01:08:17.996
that have to be followed,

1433
01:08:18.096 --> 01:08:21.796
or you will be eliminated
from the accreditation.

1434
01:08:21.896 --> 01:08:23.436
- Six to 12,000, 15,000 feet,

1435
01:08:23.536 --> 01:08:25.276
there's very few left in
the world, we don't even know.

1436
01:08:25.376 --> 01:08:27.396
They're beyond
critically endangered right now.

1437
01:08:27.496 --> 01:08:29.037
The animals,
when they get...

1438
01:08:29.137 --> 01:08:31.597
- This is a snow leopard, so--
[leopard grunting]

1439
01:08:31.697 --> 01:08:32.797
- [Woman] What's he
doing that for right now?

1440
01:08:32.897 --> 01:08:34.597
- [Man] He wants down time.

1441
01:08:34.697 --> 01:08:36.757
- I think that you got lied to.

1442
01:08:36.857 --> 01:08:39.877
This is Sven and Olaf
on "Good Morning America,"

1443
01:08:39.977 --> 01:08:43.117
they haven't hardly had
their eyes open yet, all right?

1444
01:08:43.217 --> 01:08:46.518
A VIP party with Jack Hanna.
It's quite stunning.

1445
01:08:46.618 --> 01:08:49.038
This is Wrigley Field,

1446
01:08:49.138 --> 01:08:50.398
and they were
passing them around,

1447
01:08:50.498 --> 01:08:52.038
so everybody get
their pictures taken.

1448
01:08:52.138 --> 01:08:53.918
This is the coach
dragging Sven.

1449
01:08:54.018 --> 01:08:56.478
He didn't wanna go,
and he was dragging him along.

1450
01:08:56.578 --> 01:08:58.198
Those two little ones
that were so small

1451
01:08:58.298 --> 01:09:00.719
their eyes were about--
still almost closed,

1452
01:09:00.819 --> 01:09:04.199
being transferred around
from motel to van.

1453
01:09:04.299 --> 01:09:07.479
- It's definitely not good
for their health

1454
01:09:07.579 --> 01:09:08.719
to take them
when they're that young.

1455
01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:10.999
It's very, very stressful.

1456
01:09:11.099 --> 01:09:16.800
I didn't know they'd been
used for, um, encounters.

1457
01:09:16.900 --> 01:09:20.480
That may attribute to

1458
01:09:20.580 --> 01:09:23.640
having lost some of them
at early ages.

1459
01:09:23.740 --> 01:09:25.720
The little lion,
he was still very young.

1460
01:09:25.820 --> 01:09:29.560
He was like maybe
a year and a half at the most.

1461
01:09:29.660 --> 01:09:31.800
There's several,
and we really...

1462
01:09:31.900 --> 01:09:33.721
- After our trip
to Tiger Haven,

1463
01:09:33.821 --> 01:09:37.041
where we were surprised
that they had

1464
01:09:37.141 --> 01:09:39.081
two endangered snow leopards,

1465
01:09:39.181 --> 01:09:44.641
we're talking, and we find out
that it wasn't just two.

1466
01:09:44.741 --> 01:09:49.402
That she had had, I don't know,
four or five, maybe six.

1467
01:09:49.502 --> 01:09:52.522
- We have gotten
several snow leopards.

1468
01:09:52.622 --> 01:09:55.682
- Why are they being sent
to a rescue facility anyway?

1469
01:09:55.782 --> 01:09:57.922
They're an endangered specie.

1470
01:09:58.022 --> 01:10:02.282
Not only that, but they're not
living long, they're dying.

1471
01:10:02.382 --> 01:10:04.323
- We've lost several
snow leopards.

1472
01:10:04.423 --> 01:10:06.563
They are not the healthiest
animals in the world.

1473
01:10:06.663 --> 01:10:08.283
- The fortunate part of it

1474
01:10:08.383 --> 01:10:11.123
is that the Species
Survival Program

1475
01:10:11.223 --> 01:10:13.883
has studbooks
for the snow leopard,

1476
01:10:13.983 --> 01:10:16.083
where each and every
snow leopard

1477
01:10:16.183 --> 01:10:19.363
is supposed to be tracked
from birth to death.

1478
01:10:19.463 --> 01:10:21.564
[dramatic music]

1479
01:10:21.664 --> 01:10:26.164
There's a pretty common path
to Tiger Haven.

1480
01:10:26.264 --> 01:10:29.684
They're coming from a place
called Tanganyika,

1481
01:10:29.784 --> 01:10:32.284
which is out in Kansas.

1482
01:10:32.384 --> 01:10:37.045
Tanganyika is
a non-AZA facility,

1483
01:10:37.145 --> 01:10:41.605
and they have a pattern
of transferring them out.

1484
01:10:41.705 --> 01:10:45.645
The Columbus Zoo is a very
common place where they're sent

1485
01:10:45.745 --> 01:10:49.765
as early as days to weeks
of their birth.

1486
01:10:49.865 --> 01:10:51.325
- [Sam Champion]
So when do the eyes open?

1487
01:10:51.425 --> 01:10:52.686
Because they look
like they're just...

1488
01:10:52.786 --> 01:10:55.366
- They're only there
for six months.

1489
01:10:55.466 --> 01:10:57.966
They go right back
to Tanganyika.

1490
01:10:58.066 --> 01:10:59.566
Then they will go
to other places.

1491
01:10:59.666 --> 01:11:02.766
We see what looks like
just people's names,

1492
01:11:02.866 --> 01:11:06.446
and one of them
we found out is a magician.

1493
01:11:06.546 --> 01:11:10.487
So there's-- there's a lot
of concern here.

1494
01:11:10.587 --> 01:11:13.487
As you get into
the more recent population,

1495
01:11:13.587 --> 01:11:18.767
we start seeing
a lot of "LTF,"

1496
01:11:18.867 --> 01:11:20.047
"lost to follow up."

1497
01:11:20.147 --> 01:11:23.127
[keyboard clacking]

1498
01:11:23.227 --> 01:11:26.408
In regard to long-term
research studies,

1499
01:11:26.508 --> 01:11:30.088
"lost to follow up" means
you lose track of someone.

1500
01:11:30.188 --> 01:11:31.488
So whatever reason,

1501
01:11:31.588 --> 01:11:34.728
sometimes you're
going to have an LTF.

1502
01:11:34.828 --> 01:11:37.928
Throughout the first,
I mean, over 100 years,

1503
01:11:38.028 --> 01:11:42.609
all of these pages, you see
very few "lost to follow up."

1504
01:11:42.709 --> 01:11:46.609
That's the sign
of a legitimate program, right?

1505
01:11:46.709 --> 01:11:49.009
And then all of a sudden
in these recent years,

1506
01:11:49.109 --> 01:11:52.769
you see Columbus Zoo,
Tanganyika,

1507
01:11:52.869 --> 01:11:54.449
and then whatever other place,

1508
01:11:54.549 --> 01:11:57.170
and it immediately lists it
as a "lost to follow up."

1509
01:11:57.270 --> 01:12:00.530
[keyboard clacking]

1510
01:12:00.630 --> 01:12:03.770
And just a rough count,
I'm somewhere up to

1511
01:12:03.870 --> 01:12:07.610
about 13 or 14 from Tanganyika.

1512
01:12:07.710 --> 01:12:09.730
And that's more than
we saw in the first

1513
01:12:09.830 --> 01:12:12.491
at least 90 years
of the program.

1514
01:12:12.591 --> 01:12:14.291
- [Jack] Then what we call
the Species Survival Plan,

1515
01:12:14.391 --> 01:12:15.851
which means we know where
every one of them is located.

1516
01:12:15.951 --> 01:12:17.091
We have chips in these.

1517
01:12:17.191 --> 01:12:19.771
- This is a pattern of dumping.

1518
01:12:19.871 --> 01:12:25.211
It's a way of washing their
hands of that snow leopard.

1519
01:12:25.311 --> 01:12:28.292
Nobody's going to
follow up after that.

1520
01:12:28.392 --> 01:12:31.492
They assume it's gone.

1521
01:12:31.592 --> 01:12:34.812
- So, nobody even-- the only
people that know these animals

1522
01:12:34.912 --> 01:12:37.492
are here is us,
pretty much?

1523
01:12:37.592 --> 01:12:39.692
- Pretty much.

1524
01:12:39.792 --> 01:12:41.652
- Species Survival Plan
with American Zoo
and Aquarium Association,

1525
01:12:41.752 --> 01:12:42.993
which means we know where
every one of them is located.

1526
01:12:43.073 --> 01:12:44.573
We have chips in these.

1527
01:12:44.673 --> 01:12:46.453
Again, a snow leopard,
what you're holding here,

1528
01:12:46.553 --> 01:12:48.133
there's very few left in
the world, we don't even know.

1529
01:12:48.233 --> 01:12:49.853
They're beyond critically
endangered right now.

1530
01:12:49.953 --> 01:12:51.933
- [Keith] Right here.
- Now how old are these?

1531
01:12:52.033 --> 01:12:53.333
- [Jack] These are about
eight weeks.

1532
01:12:53.433 --> 01:12:55.013
- [Sam] Eight weeks old.
- Eight weeks old.

1533
01:12:55.113 --> 01:12:56.493
- [Sam] So when do
the eyes open?

1534
01:12:56.593 --> 01:12:58.093
'Cause they look like
they're just barely

1535
01:12:58.193 --> 01:13:00.654
opening up.

1536
01:13:00.754 --> 01:13:04.814
- The studbook records,
these cats are five weeks old.

1537
01:13:04.914 --> 01:13:06.414
And what I don't get is,

1538
01:13:06.514 --> 01:13:08.934
what difference
does that make to Jack

1539
01:13:09.034 --> 01:13:11.214
whether they're eight weeks old
or five weeks old?

1540
01:13:11.314 --> 01:13:13.214
- I'll tell you exactly
what difference it makes.

1541
01:13:13.314 --> 01:13:16.175
It's a difference between
violating industry standards

1542
01:13:16.275 --> 01:13:19.415
for public contact with cubs
under eight weeks of age,

1543
01:13:19.515 --> 01:13:20.935
and not violating
those standards.

1544
01:13:21.035 --> 01:13:22.335
- Wow.

1545
01:13:22.435 --> 01:13:25.255
- It is highly reckless
and irresponsible

1546
01:13:25.355 --> 01:13:29.415
to have cats whose immune
systems are still compromised,

1547
01:13:29.515 --> 01:13:32.056
passed around
on a morning talk show,

1548
01:13:32.156 --> 01:13:35.056
presented as being older
than they really are.

1549
01:13:35.156 --> 01:13:36.736
- [Jack] These are about
eight weeks.

1550
01:13:36.836 --> 01:13:39.936
- So it is no surprise to me
that Hanna is telling

1551
01:13:40.036 --> 01:13:42.336
these hosts that this cat
is eight weeks old

1552
01:13:42.436 --> 01:13:44.576
when this cat
is not eight weeks old.

1553
01:13:44.676 --> 01:13:46.617
- [Jack] These are about
eight weeks.

1554
01:13:46.717 --> 01:13:48.537
Rob and Sam, these are one
of the rarest cats in the world,

1555
01:13:48.637 --> 01:13:50.097
live in the Himalayas,

1556
01:13:50.197 --> 01:13:51.417
and these animals
live anywhere from

1557
01:13:51.517 --> 01:13:54.097
6,000 to 12,000, 15,000 feet.

1558
01:13:54.197 --> 01:13:55.777
- Looking through these records,

1559
01:13:55.877 --> 01:13:57.337
they are literally
being subjected

1560
01:13:57.437 --> 01:13:59.817
to the most detrimental
circumstances

1561
01:13:59.917 --> 01:14:01.217
immediately upon birth.

1562
01:14:01.317 --> 01:14:03.398
- Oh, snow leopard.

1563
01:14:07.438 --> 01:14:09.458
- Tearing cats away
from their mothers,

1564
01:14:09.558 --> 01:14:11.618
forcing them to appear
on television shows

1565
01:14:11.718 --> 01:14:13.718
when they are
immunocompromised.

1566
01:14:15.758 --> 01:14:18.699
- All of this is harmful,
and we see that

1567
01:14:18.799 --> 01:14:20.219
manifesting in their death.

1568
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:22.019
- [Jack] These guys
are only a few weeks old.

1569
01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:24.979
- [Keith] We know that this
is Casper at five weeks old.

1570
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:28.419
Casper was dead
at two years old.

1571
01:14:28.519 --> 01:14:29.619
- This is not working.

1572
01:14:29.719 --> 01:14:31.339
We've got death, death, death.

1573
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.540
Lost to follow up, which means
most likely dead too.

1574
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.020
- 21 days or so,
send it Columbus,

1575
01:14:38.120 --> 01:14:40.980
three days later,
it's dead at Columbus.

1576
01:14:41.080 --> 01:14:43.700
- This is a snow leopard, one of
the rarest cats in the world.

1577
01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:47.500
This animal lives in Nepal,
Tibet, at very high altitudes.

1578
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.061
And they're absolutely one
of the most fantastic cats
in the entire world.

1579
01:14:50.161 --> 01:14:51.701
- [Woman]
So how old is this one?

1580
01:14:51.801 --> 01:14:54.741
- Looking through the annual
reports from Tanganyika,

1581
01:14:54.841 --> 01:14:59.341
they list only one death
of a snow leopard,

1582
01:14:59.441 --> 01:15:01.701
and that was at age 18.

1583
01:15:01.801 --> 01:15:03.461
- It's a liability
on their record.

1584
01:15:03.561 --> 01:15:05.502
They're sandbagging
their record,

1585
01:15:05.602 --> 01:15:07.502
and the book shows it perfect.

1586
01:15:07.602 --> 01:15:10.542
Once it gets LTF on here,
there's no more record.

1587
01:15:10.642 --> 01:15:11.822
- Wow.

1588
01:15:11.922 --> 01:15:14.462
- This is just
extremely troubling.

1589
01:15:14.562 --> 01:15:16.262
- Something's gotta be done.

1590
01:15:16.362 --> 01:15:18.462
I gave him a free pass
for a long, long time,

1591
01:15:18.562 --> 01:15:20.622
and I knew something was wrong,

1592
01:15:20.722 --> 01:15:22.343
but I wasn't quite sure.

1593
01:15:22.443 --> 01:15:24.703
And I kinda put
a blind eye to it,

1594
01:15:24.803 --> 01:15:26.343
and I did what
everybody else did,

1595
01:15:26.443 --> 01:15:27.943
and said, "That's just Jack."

1596
01:15:28.043 --> 01:15:30.943
[dramatic music]

1597
01:15:31.043 --> 01:15:34.923
♪♪

1598
01:15:41.404 --> 01:15:46.144
There's times I sit and I think
about what's gonna happen.

1599
01:15:46.244 --> 01:15:47.864
[audience laughs]
- That's how we did it.

1600
01:15:47.964 --> 01:15:49.784
I said for the first show
I brought a hippo...

1601
01:15:49.884 --> 01:15:52.224
- It bothers me
that I have to go down

1602
01:15:52.324 --> 01:15:55.545
and go face to face
with my, uh-- my hero.

1603
01:15:55.645 --> 01:15:57.785
I'm thinking, man!

1604
01:15:57.885 --> 01:16:00.705
[audience applause]

1605
01:16:00.805 --> 01:16:03.845
And I think about what's
gonna be the effect of this.

1606
01:16:06.765 --> 01:16:09.626
There's a part of me
that doesn't want to expose him.

1607
01:16:09.726 --> 01:16:11.786
There's a part of me that wants
to leave him as the Jack

1608
01:16:11.886 --> 01:16:13.426
that I knew when I was a kid.

1609
01:16:13.526 --> 01:16:15.766
- Hey, everybody.

1610
01:16:20.726 --> 01:16:22.146
- And then there's a part of me
that sits there,

1611
01:16:22.246 --> 01:16:24.747
and I think about
all those endangered species

1612
01:16:24.847 --> 01:16:28.167
sitting on his lap,
I see their faces.

1613
01:16:31.207 --> 01:16:32.507
[audience applause]
- Thank you so much.

1614
01:16:32.607 --> 01:16:34.227
- I can't step back
and allow this

1615
01:16:34.327 --> 01:16:38.747
to continue happening
because they don't have a voice.

1616
01:16:38.847 --> 01:16:40.848
[crowd muttering]

1617
01:16:44.128 --> 01:16:45.708
I approach him,
and I ask him for help,

1618
01:16:45.808 --> 01:16:47.068
and I show him the faces.

1619
01:16:47.168 --> 01:16:49.068
It's gonna be totally
in his ballpark,

1620
01:16:49.168 --> 01:16:51.708
because what his reaction is,

1621
01:16:51.808 --> 01:16:53.968
is how this investigation
is gonna continue.

1622
01:16:57.129 --> 01:16:58.869
Hey, Jack.
- [Jack] How you doing?

1623
01:16:58.969 --> 01:17:01.349
- [Tim] How you doing, man?
I just wanna stop and say hi.

1624
01:17:01.449 --> 01:17:03.549
I wanted to talk to you too.
- [Jack] No problem.

1625
01:17:03.649 --> 01:17:05.709
- But the problem is,
is that we've been doing
a little investigation.

1626
01:17:05.809 --> 01:17:07.189
We're trying to find out
what happens

1627
01:17:07.289 --> 01:17:08.949
to the ambassador cats
after they're done with.

1628
01:17:09.049 --> 01:17:10.629
- Right, right.
- And what we've done is that--

1629
01:17:10.729 --> 01:17:12.790
- Here's Suzi Rapp.
- Hey, how you doing?

1630
01:17:12.890 --> 01:17:14.550
You probably don't remember,
Tim Harrison.

1631
01:17:14.650 --> 01:17:16.950
- Suzi Rapp's been with me
since I was 39 years at the zoo.

1632
01:17:17.050 --> 01:17:18.670
- Yeah.
- She now is called by everybody

1633
01:17:18.770 --> 01:17:20.430
in the country when it comes
to cheetahs or any cat.

1634
01:17:20.530 --> 01:17:22.310
- [Suzi] I'm on the Animal
Welfare Committee.

1635
01:17:22.410 --> 01:17:23.870
- [Tim] I know exactly
who you are.

1636
01:17:23.970 --> 01:17:25.710
It's very impressive.
I was telling Jack,

1637
01:17:25.810 --> 01:17:27.670
we're in the process
of doing an investigation

1638
01:17:27.770 --> 01:17:30.631
on what happens
to the ambassador cats.

1639
01:17:30.731 --> 01:17:32.711
Once they're done with
on the circuit,

1640
01:17:32.811 --> 01:17:34.791
where do they go?
'Cause we have like 200 of them,

1641
01:17:34.891 --> 01:17:37.111
and I narrowed it down to 25.

1642
01:17:37.211 --> 01:17:39.831
Yeah, it goes back, and it goes
all the way through here too.

1643
01:17:39.931 --> 01:17:41.671
You can see the different cats.
- [Suzi] Yeah, yeah.

1644
01:17:41.771 --> 01:17:43.551
- [Jack] These animals here,
you know about the Wilds, right?

1645
01:17:43.651 --> 01:17:45.632
- [Tim] Oh, yeah,
beautiful place.

1646
01:17:45.732 --> 01:17:47.832
- [Jack] 10,000 acres.
- [Tim] So these cats
are at the Wilds?

1647
01:17:47.932 --> 01:17:49.912
- [Jack] Well, no, we have them
there, but let's say the Wilds,

1648
01:17:50.012 --> 01:17:52.472
Suzi Rapp, that's up to her.
She runs the show.

1649
01:17:52.572 --> 01:17:54.232
- [Tim] Oh, okay.
- [Jack] Let's say somebody
had to bring an animal

1650
01:17:54.332 --> 01:17:55.632
out there, and they want
to have some there,

1651
01:17:55.732 --> 01:17:56.672
obviously they'll go
to the Wilds.

1652
01:17:56.772 --> 01:17:58.872
But these cats, like I said,

1653
01:17:58.972 --> 01:18:01.193
they're like incredible
where they go...

1654
01:18:01.293 --> 01:18:03.293
- [Tim]
They're the ambassador cats.

1655
01:18:12.013 --> 01:18:13.713
And also I just wanna
verify something.

1656
01:18:13.813 --> 01:18:15.874
I was just back from
Senator Portman's office,

1657
01:18:15.974 --> 01:18:18.194
and he told me,
and I was shocked,

1658
01:18:18.294 --> 01:18:20.474
because I'm pushing for
the Big Cat Public Safety Act,

1659
01:18:20.574 --> 01:18:22.434
I'm pushing for it,
and he told me,

1660
01:18:22.534 --> 01:18:23.914
he said,
"No, I'm not going to do it.

1661
01:18:24.014 --> 01:18:25.354
"'Cause Jack Hanna
doesn't wanna do it,

1662
01:18:25.454 --> 01:18:27.114
and the Columbus Zoo
doesn't want to do it."

1663
01:18:27.214 --> 01:18:28.434
That's why I'm here to ask.
- [Suzi] Can I tell you why?

1664
01:18:28.534 --> 01:18:29.794
- [Tim] Yeah.
Okay, I wanna hear.

1665
01:18:29.894 --> 01:18:31.554
- [Suzi] Because you're
gonna shut down...

1666
01:18:31.654 --> 01:18:33.075
- [Tim] I'm not
shutting down anything,

1667
01:18:33.175 --> 01:18:34.375
I'm just looking
for the law enforcement part.

1668
01:18:34.455 --> 01:18:36.195
- [Suzi]
...by supporting that law,

1669
01:18:36.295 --> 01:18:38.795
because that law shuts us down.
- [Tim] Oh, it shuts you down?

1670
01:18:38.895 --> 01:18:41.195
- [Suzi] Just to let you know,
it shuts me down.

1671
01:18:41.295 --> 01:18:45.515
If we remove the animals from
connecting people with them,

1672
01:18:45.615 --> 01:18:48.636
they will not participate.

1673
01:18:48.736 --> 01:18:50.636
I'm all about laws,

1674
01:18:50.736 --> 01:18:52.276
and I'm all about regulation
as long...

1675
01:18:52.376 --> 01:18:54.116
- [Tim] I don't want
this little guy hearing it.

1676
01:18:54.216 --> 01:18:55.956
- [Man] How's it going?
- [Jack] Nice to see you.

1677
01:18:56.056 --> 01:18:57.956
- [Man] You all right?
Can we get a picture with you?

1678
01:18:58.056 --> 01:18:59.996
- [Tim] I'll let you go,
but I appreciate it.

1679
01:19:00.096 --> 01:19:01.676
We're trying to find out, okay?

1680
01:19:01.776 --> 01:19:04.917
We're just trying to find out.
- [Man] Say cheese, Ry.

1681
01:19:05.017 --> 01:19:07.477
- [Tim] I'll let you guys go.
- [Man] Cheese.

1682
01:19:07.577 --> 01:19:09.597
Thank you, sir.
- [Jack] Trust me,

1683
01:19:09.697 --> 01:19:12.077
if she knew of somebody doing
this stuff, like the bad stuff,

1684
01:19:12.177 --> 01:19:13.437
she'll be calling you overnight.

1685
01:19:13.537 --> 01:19:14.957
- [Tim] Okay,
hang on to my card.

1686
01:19:15.057 --> 01:19:16.757
- [Suzi] I'm on the Animal
Welfare Committee.

1687
01:19:16.857 --> 01:19:19.518
- [Jack] You've got a card?
- Yeah, she's got got my card.

1688
01:19:19.618 --> 01:19:21.798
I'll let you guys go.
I loved it, Jack.

1689
01:19:21.898 --> 01:19:23.898
Stay safe.

1690
01:19:28.458 --> 01:19:31.198
- [Jack] We always use
the country, these animals here,

1691
01:19:31.298 --> 01:19:33.758
you know about the Wilds, right?
10,000 acres.

1692
01:19:33.858 --> 01:19:35.359
- [Tim] So these cats
are at the Wilds?

1693
01:19:35.459 --> 01:19:37.319
- [Jack] No, we have them there,
but say the Wilds,

1694
01:19:37.419 --> 01:19:39.079
Suzi Rapp, that's up to her.
- [Tim] Oh, okay.

1695
01:19:39.179 --> 01:19:40.419
- [Jack] Say somebody has to
bring an animal out there

1696
01:19:40.499 --> 01:19:41.679
and they want to
have something there,

1697
01:19:41.779 --> 01:19:43.679
obviously they'll
go to the Wilds.

1698
01:19:43.779 --> 01:19:45.639
- [Tim] Okay.
- [Jack] But these cats,
incredible where they go.

1699
01:19:45.739 --> 01:19:47.239
- [Tim]
They're the ambassador cats.

1700
01:19:47.339 --> 01:19:50.239
[melancholy music]

1701
01:19:50.339 --> 01:19:54.260
♪♪

1702
01:20:01.380 --> 01:20:03.760
[camera clicks]

1703
01:20:03.860 --> 01:20:05.860
[tiger growling]

1704
01:20:48.583 --> 01:20:51.043
- To this day,
and I'm thinking in my mind,

1705
01:20:51.143 --> 01:20:52.443
why am I doing this?

1706
01:20:52.543 --> 01:20:54.924
'Cause it's not--
I've lost--

1707
01:20:55.024 --> 01:20:58.524
I've lost everything
with these people.

1708
01:20:58.624 --> 01:21:01.484
These are the people
I looked up to.

1709
01:21:01.584 --> 01:21:03.944
I looked up to Jack Hanna
when I was a young man.

1710
01:21:07.304 --> 01:21:08.804
It's one of those things,
am I doing any good?

1711
01:21:08.904 --> 01:21:11.645
But I think I am,
by exposing,

1712
01:21:11.745 --> 01:21:14.325
but is anybody gonna
be out there to step up

1713
01:21:14.425 --> 01:21:16.725
and back us up?

1714
01:21:16.825 --> 01:21:18.485
Is there gonna be anybody
that's gonna come out

1715
01:21:18.585 --> 01:21:21.685
of the conservation world
of these people

1716
01:21:21.785 --> 01:21:26.526
and say, "Tim, I'm with you,
brother, this ain't right"?

1717
01:21:26.626 --> 01:21:28.326
And so far we ain't got it.

1718
01:21:28.426 --> 01:21:30.206
And, uh...

1719
01:21:30.306 --> 01:21:37.886
♪♪

1720
01:21:37.986 --> 01:21:40.926
[indistinct announcements on PA]

1721
01:21:41.026 --> 01:21:46.907
♪♪

1722
01:21:50.867 --> 01:21:53.567
- [Carney Anne]
Hey, Tim, it's Carney Anne.

1723
01:21:53.667 --> 01:21:57.928
Let me just preempt this
by saying it's not good news.

1724
01:21:58.028 --> 01:22:01.848
I just received back a response
relating to my request

1725
01:22:01.948 --> 01:22:04.048
for records about
that roadside zoo

1726
01:22:04.148 --> 01:22:06.368
connected to Jack Hanna.

1727
01:22:06.468 --> 01:22:07.848
The response
that I received from

1728
01:22:07.948 --> 01:22:09.728
US Fish and Wildlife Service,

1729
01:22:09.828 --> 01:22:13.849
it says that they can
neither confirm nor deny

1730
01:22:13.949 --> 01:22:16.929
if any such records exist.

1731
01:22:17.029 --> 01:22:20.329
So I just--
this is gonna be a dead end.

1732
01:22:20.429 --> 01:22:23.129
It would take years
to litigate this.

1733
01:22:23.229 --> 01:22:25.609
[sirens wailing]

1734
01:22:25.709 --> 01:22:27.089
- [Howard] Hey, Tim.
It's Howard Baskin.

1735
01:22:27.189 --> 01:22:28.609
Listen, last time we talked,

1736
01:22:28.709 --> 01:22:30.450
it sounded like you
were right on track

1737
01:22:30.550 --> 01:22:33.170
to get these other Ohio zoos
to send letters

1738
01:22:33.270 --> 01:22:35.330
to Senator Portman's office.

1739
01:22:35.430 --> 01:22:38.850
And, you know, our folks in DC
just came from the office,

1740
01:22:38.950 --> 01:22:42.690
and they have not received
not a single one

1741
01:22:42.790 --> 01:22:44.130
from any of these zoos.

1742
01:22:44.230 --> 01:22:45.851
I don't know what's happened,

1743
01:22:45.951 --> 01:22:48.331
I don't know
if the Columbus Zoo

1744
01:22:48.431 --> 01:22:50.211
or Jack's got to these zoos,

1745
01:22:50.311 --> 01:22:52.531
and applied some kind
of pressure, or what.

1746
01:22:52.631 --> 01:22:56.051
So, you know, we haven't
received anything.

1747
01:22:56.151 --> 01:22:58.971
I don't know where things stand,
so could you give me a call

1748
01:22:59.071 --> 01:23:00.491
and let me know
where things are?

1749
01:23:00.591 --> 01:23:01.932
- [Jack] We're trying to stop
a lot of that.

1750
01:23:02.032 --> 01:23:03.772
And the animal also probably,
I would say,

1751
01:23:03.872 --> 01:23:05.332
are in quite numbers,

1752
01:23:05.432 --> 01:23:07.012
not like a lot of cats
throughout the world.

1753
01:23:07.112 --> 01:23:08.972
We have some issues
with the hunting for jungles.

1754
01:23:09.072 --> 01:23:11.052
It's very difficult to even
find these cats, everybody.

1755
01:23:11.152 --> 01:23:12.972
[TV clicks off]

1756
01:23:13.072 --> 01:23:15.072
[dog barking]

1757
01:23:22.273 --> 01:23:23.933
[phone buzzing]

1758
01:23:24.033 --> 01:23:26.813
- My phone's exploding.
We got all kinds of texts.

1759
01:23:26.913 --> 01:23:28.133
Said I gotta get
in contact with him,

1760
01:23:28.233 --> 01:23:31.093
something about Joe,
Joe Exotic.

1761
01:23:31.193 --> 01:23:32.653
I've gotta pull over
somewhere here,

1762
01:23:32.753 --> 01:23:34.734
drive down here,
and see if I can

1763
01:23:34.834 --> 01:23:37.254
get out of the traffic
a little bit here.

1764
01:23:37.354 --> 01:23:38.654
Hey, Rus,
what's going on here?

1765
01:23:38.754 --> 01:23:42.574
I'm gonna put you on speaker
real quick here.

1766
01:23:42.674 --> 01:23:43.974
All right, man,
what's going on?

1767
01:23:44.074 --> 01:23:47.174
- [Rus] Are you near a--
are you near a computer?

1768
01:23:47.274 --> 01:23:49.735
- No, no, I'm out
on the road right now.

1769
01:23:49.835 --> 01:23:52.415
- [Rus] They've got the news,
breaking news,

1770
01:23:52.515 --> 01:23:54.775
that Crazy Joe got indicted.

1771
01:23:54.875 --> 01:23:56.855
- What was the indictment,
do you have any idea
what the indictment is?

1772
01:23:56.955 --> 01:23:59.695
- [Rus] Well, it was something
about a federal charge

1773
01:23:59.795 --> 01:24:02.695
where the FBI was
looking at him for...

1774
01:24:02.795 --> 01:24:04.655
it was like murder for hire.

1775
01:24:04.755 --> 01:24:07.336
- Oh, my gosh.
It was a murder hire for who?

1776
01:24:07.436 --> 01:24:09.696
There's numerous people
he's threatened.

1777
01:24:09.796 --> 01:24:11.456
- [Rus] Well, in Florida.
- Oh, Florida.

1778
01:24:11.556 --> 01:24:12.856
- [Rus] Maybe he got friends
in Florida,

1779
01:24:12.956 --> 01:24:14.376
because they said it
was out of Florida.

1780
01:24:14.476 --> 01:24:15.936
- Ohh.
- And you know...

1781
01:24:16.036 --> 01:24:18.416
- That could only be one person
down there or two.

1782
01:24:18.516 --> 01:24:21.617
- [Rus] Yeah, or two.
- Wow.

1783
01:24:21.717 --> 01:24:23.137
- [Rus] So, they're not
naming the person.

1784
01:24:23.237 --> 01:24:26.497
In the indictment,
it said Jane Doe.

1785
01:24:26.597 --> 01:24:29.217
- The US Attorney's office
is leading the investigation.

1786
01:24:29.317 --> 01:24:31.057
Joe Exotic is known
for his connection

1787
01:24:31.157 --> 01:24:34.217
to the Greater Wynnewood
Exotic Animal Park,

1788
01:24:34.317 --> 01:24:36.658
though today he was
arrested in Florida,

1789
01:24:36.758 --> 01:24:38.698
the same state
as his alleged indictment.

1790
01:24:38.798 --> 01:24:40.298
- [Man] Federal indictment
conceals the identity

1791
01:24:40.398 --> 01:24:43.698
of the woman, referring
to her only as Jane Doe.

1792
01:24:43.798 --> 01:24:45.378
The murder plot was
apparently foiled

1793
01:24:45.478 --> 01:24:48.858
when federal agents moved in
to arrest Joe after he...

1794
01:24:48.958 --> 01:24:50.578
- It's gotta be Carole Baskin

1795
01:24:50.678 --> 01:24:52.699
down at Big Cat Rescue,
Tampa, Florida,

1796
01:24:52.799 --> 01:24:54.099
with her husband, Howard.

1797
01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:56.219
It's gotta be her,
because Joe Exotic

1798
01:24:56.319 --> 01:24:59.499
has been out to get her
over the years.

1799
01:24:59.599 --> 01:25:01.019
She's right on the front line.

1800
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:02.659
She's also one of the architects

1801
01:25:02.759 --> 01:25:05.099
of the Big Cat
Public Safety Act,

1802
01:25:05.199 --> 01:25:07.859
which is just getting ready
to go to a subcommittee hearing

1803
01:25:07.959 --> 01:25:09.060
for the House
of Representatives.

1804
01:25:09.160 --> 01:25:10.740
What a coincidence!

1805
01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:13.220
It's a situation where somebody
is trying to shut her up.

1806
01:25:13.320 --> 01:25:19.100
- Carole Baskin better never
ever see me face to face.

1807
01:25:19.200 --> 01:25:23.380
- Joe Exotic has said many times
that he's gonna take out--

1808
01:25:23.480 --> 01:25:25.781
he actually on one
of his TV shows,

1809
01:25:25.881 --> 01:25:30.081
he'd actually showed himself
shooting an effigy of Carole.

1810
01:25:32.161 --> 01:25:34.301
He said, "What I'm gonna do
to her, I'm gonna cap her ass."

1811
01:25:34.401 --> 01:25:36.661
Pow!
[gun bangs]

1812
01:25:36.761 --> 01:25:40.262
- That is how sick and tired
of this shit I am.

1813
01:25:40.362 --> 01:25:42.182
- I gotta call her,
I gotta find out,

1814
01:25:42.282 --> 01:25:46.182
I gotta hear her voice,
and find out from her
how she's doing.

1815
01:25:46.282 --> 01:25:47.622
Is there anything we need to do?

1816
01:25:47.722 --> 01:25:49.382
'Cause Carole's
the bravest person I know.

1817
01:25:49.482 --> 01:25:50.702
- [Carole] Big Cat Rescue.

1818
01:25:50.802 --> 01:25:52.662
- Hey, Carole,
this is Tim Harrison.

1819
01:25:52.762 --> 01:25:53.862
I need to ask you a question.

1820
01:25:53.962 --> 01:25:56.703
My phone just exploded up here.

1821
01:25:56.803 --> 01:25:59.743
I've just found out
about this indictment.

1822
01:25:59.843 --> 01:26:02.943
Are you Jane Doe?
- [Carole] Yes.

1823
01:26:03.043 --> 01:26:04.143
- Wow.

1824
01:26:04.243 --> 01:26:06.663
- We got a call
from the FBI saying

1825
01:26:06.763 --> 01:26:09.303
that my life
was in imminent danger.

1826
01:26:09.403 --> 01:26:14.264
Joe had hired a guy to come
to Florida and kill me.

1827
01:26:14.364 --> 01:26:18.024
And they were able to put
an undercover FBI agent in place

1828
01:26:18.124 --> 01:26:20.704
for Joe to then hire so that
they could keep track of him.

1829
01:26:20.804 --> 01:26:22.344
- Wow.

1830
01:26:22.444 --> 01:26:24.264
- [Woman] The US Attorney's
Office alleges that Exotic

1831
01:26:24.364 --> 01:26:26.824
openly discussed
his plot to kill,

1832
01:26:26.924 --> 01:26:30.105
eventually hiring a person
to carry out the murder.

1833
01:26:30.205 --> 01:26:33.545
That person was
an undercover FBI agent.

1834
01:26:33.645 --> 01:26:35.785
- [Carole] Yeah, I'm really glad
that they've got him in jail,

1835
01:26:35.885 --> 01:26:39.185
but I tell you what, he's just
the dumbest one of them.

1836
01:26:39.285 --> 01:26:41.825
There's a lot
of really bad people out there

1837
01:26:41.925 --> 01:26:44.866
that are a whole lot more
dangerous to those of us

1838
01:26:44.966 --> 01:26:47.226
who are working
to protect these cats.

1839
01:26:47.326 --> 01:26:50.346
- I'll tell you what, Carole,
is there anything
you need from us?

1840
01:26:50.446 --> 01:26:52.026
- [Carole] I couldn't live
with myself

1841
01:26:52.126 --> 01:26:54.706
if I allowed bullies like him

1842
01:26:54.806 --> 01:26:57.746
to stop us from protecting
these big cats.

1843
01:26:57.846 --> 01:26:59.947
So just keep doing
what you're doing.

1844
01:27:00.047 --> 01:27:02.947
[intense music]

1845
01:27:03.047 --> 01:27:05.427
♪♪

1846
01:27:05.527 --> 01:27:07.527
[people shouting]

1847
01:27:10.967 --> 01:27:12.907
[helicopter blades whirring]

1848
01:27:13.007 --> 01:27:18.748
♪♪

1849
01:27:18.848 --> 01:27:21.628
[fireworks banging]

1850
01:27:21.728 --> 01:27:23.948
[people cheering]

1851
01:27:24.048 --> 01:27:26.908
- We've come here
up to Massillon High School.

1852
01:27:27.008 --> 01:27:29.788
This is where
the infamous Obies are.

1853
01:27:29.888 --> 01:27:32.589
For the last 45 years or so,
they bring a tiger cub here

1854
01:27:32.689 --> 01:27:34.689
for them to use
as their mascot.

1855
01:27:40.129 --> 01:27:42.789
- We're going to talk about
Olive in just a minute,
but Dave...

1856
01:27:42.889 --> 01:27:46.109
- [Tim] For the last three weeks
on a couple different
TV shows...

1857
01:27:46.209 --> 01:27:47.790
- Aww!
- All right.

1858
01:27:47.890 --> 01:27:49.790
- ...they've been using a tiger
by the name of Olive.

1859
01:27:49.890 --> 01:27:51.590
- Here with his friend Olive,

1860
01:27:51.690 --> 01:27:54.870
Animal Planet's big cat expert,
Dave Salmoni.

1861
01:27:54.970 --> 01:27:56.390
- We're gonna try to see
if they're gonna bring

1862
01:27:56.490 --> 01:27:57.710
a tiger cub out here.

1863
01:27:57.810 --> 01:27:58.830
And we're gonna see
if it's Olive.

1864
01:27:58.930 --> 01:27:59.950
We personally came up here,

1865
01:28:00.050 --> 01:28:01.630
'cause I wanna find out.

1866
01:28:01.730 --> 01:28:05.611
♪♪

1867
01:28:11.291 --> 01:28:14.031
[cheering and applause]

1868
01:28:14.131 --> 01:28:17.871
[indistinct chatter on PA]

1869
01:28:17.971 --> 01:28:19.552
Here she comes, guys.

1870
01:28:19.652 --> 01:28:21.792
[audience cheering]

1871
01:28:21.892 --> 01:28:23.952
[air horn blowing]

1872
01:28:24.052 --> 01:28:26.932
[audience gasping]

1873
01:28:38.493 --> 01:28:40.733
Absolutely barbaric.

1874
01:28:44.413 --> 01:28:46.353
The same tiger cub

1875
01:28:46.453 --> 01:28:49.393
that was used on all those shows
by animal experts,

1876
01:28:49.493 --> 01:28:52.154
bang, here it is,
Olive's here.

1877
01:28:52.254 --> 01:28:53.514
And who's with it?

1878
01:28:53.614 --> 01:28:55.614
Grant Kemmerer.

1879
01:29:01.494 --> 01:29:03.354
It's just disgusting.

1880
01:29:03.454 --> 01:29:05.994
It just makes me want to
just push through those people,

1881
01:29:06.094 --> 01:29:08.595
get that tiger cub,
and just rescue it.

1882
01:29:08.695 --> 01:29:11.775
And take it to a sanctuary
where it needs to be taken to.

1883
01:29:14.655 --> 01:29:16.795
And, you know, we can't do that
'cause it's not illegal.

1884
01:29:16.895 --> 01:29:18.895
It's not illegal.

1885
01:29:25.056 --> 01:29:27.596
You know, we're in
a hostile environment already.

1886
01:29:27.696 --> 01:29:29.076
We've got some of their
supporters over here

1887
01:29:29.176 --> 01:29:30.756
listening to what I'm saying.

1888
01:29:30.856 --> 01:29:34.436
Everybody's texting,
you can see them watching us.

1889
01:29:34.536 --> 01:29:37.396
People are giving me
the evil eye, staring me down.

1890
01:29:37.496 --> 01:29:39.497
The word's out.

1891
01:29:45.017 --> 01:29:47.157
You know, it's no different
than going to

1892
01:29:47.257 --> 01:29:49.437
the dangerous
wild exotic animal auctions.

1893
01:29:49.537 --> 01:29:51.277
They don't want you
filming anything

1894
01:29:51.377 --> 01:29:53.998
because they don't want anybody
to know what's going on.

1895
01:29:54.098 --> 01:29:56.098
It's like this--
this secret.

1896
01:29:58.818 --> 01:30:00.718
It's the same,
same feeling here,

1897
01:30:00.818 --> 01:30:02.838
what happened to us
at the auction.

1898
01:30:02.938 --> 01:30:05.118
And getting the evil eye
as we're speaking right now.

1899
01:30:05.218 --> 01:30:06.758
They're making the phone calls.

1900
01:30:06.858 --> 01:30:09.719
[tense music]

1901
01:30:09.819 --> 01:30:12.519
- Who you with, bud?

1902
01:30:12.619 --> 01:30:14.679
Hey, this gentleman
needs to move on.

1903
01:30:14.779 --> 01:30:16.159
- Sir, please move along.

1904
01:30:16.259 --> 01:30:17.719
- [Tim] We've got some
of their supporters

1905
01:30:17.819 --> 01:30:18.899
over here right now,
some of the boosters,

1906
01:30:18.979 --> 01:30:20.479
listening to what I'm saying.

1907
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:22.079
- Move on, sir, that's what
I'm asking you to do.

1908
01:30:22.179 --> 01:30:23.959
- You know, trying to
kick us out, throw us out.

1909
01:30:24.059 --> 01:30:26.060
It's not gonna happen.
It's not gonna happen.

1910
01:30:35.700 --> 01:30:38.240
He actually understands
that we're there.

1911
01:30:38.340 --> 01:30:40.520
We're just a few steps
behind him right now.

1912
01:30:40.620 --> 01:30:42.621
He's feeling that breath
on the back of his neck.

1913
01:30:46.021 --> 01:30:48.841
The footsteps are coming,
times are changing,

1914
01:30:48.941 --> 01:30:50.201
and he knows it.

1915
01:30:50.301 --> 01:30:53.361
- Go! Now!

1916
01:30:53.461 --> 01:30:55.461
You, go!

1917
01:30:57.942 --> 01:31:01.042
- [Tim] After all these years,
and all the Obies they've had,

1918
01:31:01.142 --> 01:31:02.602
nobody can tell us
what happens to them

1919
01:31:02.702 --> 01:31:03.842
after they're done with them.

1920
01:31:03.942 --> 01:31:04.882
- [Man] You have to go.

1921
01:31:04.982 --> 01:31:06.042
- [Tim] They just vanish.

1922
01:31:06.142 --> 01:31:08.522
- [Man] Why are you filming?

1923
01:31:08.622 --> 01:31:11.702
- And now little Olive
is Obie 47.

1924
01:31:14.463 --> 01:31:16.203
We need to try to rescue Olive,

1925
01:31:16.303 --> 01:31:19.003
and get her out of that cycle.

1926
01:31:19.103 --> 01:31:20.683
Thing is, is I can't do it.

1927
01:31:20.783 --> 01:31:23.323
'Cause we've already
exposed ourselves.

1928
01:31:23.423 --> 01:31:24.723
I'm gonna need an inside man.

1929
01:31:24.823 --> 01:31:26.683
I'm gonna need somebody
that's in that world

1930
01:31:26.783 --> 01:31:29.404
to be able to reach in
and get Olive,

1931
01:31:29.504 --> 01:31:31.964
and rescue her from that.
And that's what I need.

1932
01:31:32.064 --> 01:31:33.564
And I think...

1933
01:31:33.664 --> 01:31:37.444
I think I might have the person
that can do that.

1934
01:31:37.544 --> 01:31:39.544
[leaves crunching]

1935
01:31:50.905 --> 01:31:52.845
- [Cy] Good morning, Grant,
my name is Cy.

1936
01:31:52.945 --> 01:31:54.805
I have Union Ridge
Wildlife Center

1937
01:31:54.905 --> 01:31:57.045
incorporated here
in Southeastern Ohio.

1938
01:31:57.145 --> 01:32:00.285
Here, Liz.

1939
01:32:00.385 --> 01:32:02.366
My tigers enjoy an incredible
open facility,

1940
01:32:02.466 --> 01:32:04.926
16 feet high
with 4-foot cantilever

1941
01:32:05.026 --> 01:32:07.926
with climbing platforms
that step to 12-foot high.

1942
01:32:08.026 --> 01:32:09.246
[keyboard clacking]

1943
01:32:09.346 --> 01:32:11.086
I'm looking to replace
a young tiger

1944
01:32:11.186 --> 01:32:12.806
we had to euthanise
earlier last year

1945
01:32:12.906 --> 01:32:15.606
after suffering
from a brain tumour.

1946
01:32:15.706 --> 01:32:18.247
Ultimately I'm looking
for a young female

1947
01:32:18.347 --> 01:32:20.687
between six months
and a year of age,

1948
01:32:20.787 --> 01:32:22.447
and I would be happy

1949
01:32:22.547 --> 01:32:26.487
to share any photos
of my facilities, et cetera.

1950
01:32:26.587 --> 01:32:28.827
Many thanks in advance, Cy.

1951
01:32:39.788 --> 01:32:41.788
[keyboard clacking]

1952
01:32:54.309 --> 01:32:55.849
It's become quite frustrating

1953
01:32:55.949 --> 01:32:57.729
because some of
the conversations we've had,

1954
01:32:57.829 --> 01:33:02.569
Grant keeps-- keeps moving
forward with other topics

1955
01:33:02.669 --> 01:33:05.050
whenever I bring up
any thought

1956
01:33:05.150 --> 01:33:09.850
of placing one of his cats.

1957
01:33:09.950 --> 01:33:14.330
We've talked about
pelicans, beavers,

1958
01:33:14.430 --> 01:33:16.790
otters, lions...

1959
01:33:19.990 --> 01:33:21.891
...squirrel monkeys.

1960
01:33:21.991 --> 01:33:25.531
Hasn't ever replied
about any, uh, tiger.

1961
01:33:25.631 --> 01:33:27.451
Did go as far as saying

1962
01:33:27.551 --> 01:33:31.891
I'd give my left arm
for the last year's Obie.

1963
01:33:31.991 --> 01:33:34.091
Nothing.

1964
01:33:34.191 --> 01:33:37.052
No mention of the tigers.

1965
01:33:37.152 --> 01:33:39.852
So we're just gonna have
to go to Grant's house

1966
01:33:39.952 --> 01:33:43.732
and see what he has.

1967
01:33:43.832 --> 01:33:46.732
[tense music]

1968
01:33:46.832 --> 01:33:49.772
♪♪

1969
01:33:49.872 --> 01:33:51.652
Okay, so I just sent Grant
a text, that says,

1970
01:33:51.752 --> 01:33:55.573
"Hi, Grant, I had told you about
an Arctic great horned owl.

1971
01:33:55.673 --> 01:33:59.093
Think you might like to use him
in your programs."

1972
01:33:59.193 --> 01:34:02.613
He got back right away,
"Wow, very nice, congrats.

1973
01:34:02.713 --> 01:34:04.713
I'll take one."

1974
01:34:17.794 --> 01:34:20.714
[phone line trilling]

1975
01:34:24.875 --> 01:34:27.775
- [Tim] Hey, how you doing?
- Good.

1976
01:34:27.875 --> 01:34:31.455
So I just got done
with my afternoon with Grant

1977
01:34:31.555 --> 01:34:33.215
over at his house.

1978
01:34:33.315 --> 01:34:35.335
- [Tim] Did you find
anything about Olive?

1979
01:34:35.435 --> 01:34:36.935
- No.

1980
01:34:37.035 --> 01:34:38.295
- [Tim] Did you have
free range on the property?

1981
01:34:38.395 --> 01:34:41.056
- No, Olive is not there,

1982
01:34:41.156 --> 01:34:46.296
and there weren't any--
there weren't any young tigers.

1983
01:34:46.396 --> 01:34:49.696
- Wow, Olive should be there,
should be with him,

1984
01:34:49.796 --> 01:34:51.576
because he was the last one
seen with her.

1985
01:34:51.676 --> 01:34:53.976
- No, it's... it's not.

1986
01:34:54.076 --> 01:34:56.097
- [Tim] That's what
I was worried about.

1987
01:34:56.197 --> 01:34:58.217
If we didn't get that cat
and intercept her,

1988
01:34:58.317 --> 01:34:59.817
it's gonna be dead.

1989
01:34:59.917 --> 01:35:02.137
So we have no idea
where she's at.

1990
01:35:02.237 --> 01:35:03.977
- Correct.

1991
01:35:04.077 --> 01:35:06.497
- [Tim] That means
we've gotta problem.

1992
01:35:06.597 --> 01:35:10.577
Did he have 15
or 16 big cats around there?

1993
01:35:10.677 --> 01:35:13.978
Because he told me
he had 15 or 16 big cats

1994
01:35:14.078 --> 01:35:17.338
that stay there,
they're at his location.

1995
01:35:17.438 --> 01:35:20.298
- There's only three tigers
and one lion.

1996
01:35:20.398 --> 01:35:21.778
- [Tim] Wow.

1997
01:35:21.878 --> 01:35:23.858
So he's moved a lot
of animals out of there.

1998
01:35:23.958 --> 01:35:25.778
- Correct.

1999
01:35:25.878 --> 01:35:27.299
- [Tim] He told me a lie then.

2000
01:35:27.399 --> 01:35:29.379
Because he said
straightforward,

2001
01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:30.819
"They come here,
and they stay here.

2002
01:35:30.919 --> 01:35:32.459
"They don't go anywhere else.

2003
01:35:32.559 --> 01:35:34.139
That's the way it works."

2004
01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:36.219
- No.

2005
01:35:36.319 --> 01:35:38.259
- They're nocturnal.
They're a solitary cat...

2006
01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:40.939
- They're found in...

2007
01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:43.820
- So how much are they
just like a house cat?

2008
01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:46.340
[lion cub growls]
[audience laughs]

2009
01:35:46.440 --> 01:35:47.780
- [Jack] Here you go.
Thank you very much.

2010
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:49.880
- [Letterman]
Thank you very much.

2011
01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:55.060
- His story is,
to me, conflicted.

2012
01:35:55.160 --> 01:36:00.101
He told me too many stories,
and he didn't even realise it.

2013
01:36:00.201 --> 01:36:03.521
I'm just starting to,
you know, match the things up.

2014
01:36:05.521 --> 01:36:07.501
[camera clicks]

2015
01:36:07.601 --> 01:36:09.901
- [Tim] You get a photo?
- I didn't, but my kid did.

2016
01:36:10.001 --> 01:36:13.701
My kid got photos of all--
of all three cats.

2017
01:36:13.801 --> 01:36:15.342
- [Tim] Excellent.

2018
01:36:15.442 --> 01:36:16.942
- But he had to be conspicuous
about that,

2019
01:36:17.042 --> 01:36:19.742
because that was
the only part of the property

2020
01:36:19.842 --> 01:36:23.622
that he had us turn away from.
- [Tim] Wow.

2021
01:36:23.722 --> 01:36:25.902
Now there's something really
suspicious going on there.

2022
01:36:26.002 --> 01:36:27.342
[lighter clicks]

2023
01:36:27.442 --> 01:36:29.182
- What if he had tiger cubs
there today,

2024
01:36:29.282 --> 01:36:32.263
and that's why
we couldn't walk over there?

2025
01:36:32.363 --> 01:36:38.263
He made a few oops
this afternoon with his stories.

2026
01:36:38.363 --> 01:36:42.983
He didn't keep
his stories straight.

2027
01:36:43.083 --> 01:36:45.223
Reflecting upon the visit,

2028
01:36:45.323 --> 01:36:49.864
when you look at everything,
the cages,

2029
01:36:49.964 --> 01:36:54.744
the types of animals
that are there...

2030
01:36:54.844 --> 01:36:57.084
a lot of things
don't really add up.

2031
01:37:01.204 --> 01:37:04.085
[lion growling]

2032
01:37:13.805 --> 01:37:15.805
[people laughing, chatting]

2033
01:37:27.326 --> 01:37:28.546
- Something of interest here.

2034
01:37:28.646 --> 01:37:30.066
Something that just came about

2035
01:37:30.166 --> 01:37:32.426
within the last couple of weeks.

2036
01:37:32.526 --> 01:37:36.107
Grant Kemmerer
and Wild World of Animals

2037
01:37:36.207 --> 01:37:39.467
have been cited
for five different violations

2038
01:37:39.567 --> 01:37:44.227
in, uh--
in the State of New York.

2039
01:37:44.327 --> 01:37:48.107
He's allowed several people
at private parties

2040
01:37:48.207 --> 01:37:51.788
at a residence to come
into contact with big cats,

2041
01:37:51.888 --> 01:37:57.068
which is a clear violation
of the law of New York.

2042
01:37:57.168 --> 01:37:58.908
- This is Wyatt,

2043
01:37:59.008 --> 01:38:01.388
this is a cat that's been used
as an ambassador animal.

2044
01:38:01.488 --> 01:38:03.228
And here it is
at a private party in New York.

2045
01:38:03.328 --> 01:38:05.028
- There you go.
- Wow!

2046
01:38:05.128 --> 01:38:06.369
- Get interactive.
- You know what
this is for real?

2047
01:38:06.449 --> 01:38:08.309
This is such an honour
and a privilege.

2048
01:38:08.409 --> 01:38:10.029
- Of course it is.
- To just be around
this majestic animal.

2049
01:38:10.129 --> 01:38:12.229
- "Caused or allowed
direct contact

2050
01:38:12.329 --> 01:38:14.469
with a juvenile tiger."

2051
01:38:14.569 --> 01:38:16.709
- [Tim] Let's go the next here.
Ah, look at this at this
family portrait.

2052
01:38:16.809 --> 01:38:19.709
Oh, my gosh.

2053
01:38:19.809 --> 01:38:22.630
- "Caused or allowed
direct contact with a lion."

2054
01:38:22.730 --> 01:38:24.790
- [Tim] Oh, my gosh.
- Wow.

2055
01:38:24.890 --> 01:38:26.910
- And another juvenile tiger.

2056
01:38:27.010 --> 01:38:28.830
- [Man on video] What's up?

2057
01:38:28.930 --> 01:38:33.790
- In contact with people during
a party at a private home.

2058
01:38:33.890 --> 01:38:36.350
What's that got to do
with conservation?

2059
01:38:36.450 --> 01:38:39.831
- [Grant shouting]
- What's he doing?

2060
01:38:39.931 --> 01:38:42.551
Shoving him around,
grabbing him, dragging him.

2061
01:38:42.651 --> 01:38:44.431
What are they doing now?
They're teasing him.

2062
01:38:44.531 --> 01:38:48.791
Oh, they're hitting him.
Look at him, whack!

2063
01:38:48.891 --> 01:38:52.031
- Look at how, like,
he's swatting his face.

2064
01:38:52.131 --> 01:38:54.752
[tiger groans]
- Oh, my gosh.

2065
01:38:54.852 --> 01:38:58.712
- [Man on video] It's okay.

2066
01:38:58.812 --> 01:39:00.792
- These are the same cats
that he was on TV with

2067
01:39:00.892 --> 01:39:02.752
saying these aren't pets.

2068
01:39:02.852 --> 01:39:04.312
- [Grant] That's why
they're just not a pet.

2069
01:39:04.412 --> 01:39:06.112
It's never gonna be a pet.

2070
01:39:06.212 --> 01:39:07.872
- And he takes them out
the very next weekend or so,

2071
01:39:07.972 --> 01:39:10.913
whenever this happened,
takes them in a basket,

2072
01:39:11.013 --> 01:39:12.793
like you would take
puppies or kittens,

2073
01:39:12.893 --> 01:39:14.193
to a birthday party.

2074
01:39:14.293 --> 01:39:16.433
[keyboard clacking]

2075
01:39:16.533 --> 01:39:19.753
- And look at all this too.
"New pet?"

2076
01:39:19.853 --> 01:39:22.153
Look, "I want one."
- [Tim] "I want one."

2077
01:39:22.253 --> 01:39:25.294
"Hanging with the baby tiger
and the family."

2078
01:39:28.974 --> 01:39:31.474
This is the two faces
of conservation right here.

2079
01:39:31.574 --> 01:39:33.754
Wyatt's on TV being used
as an ambassador animal,

2080
01:39:33.854 --> 01:39:35.514
"Oh, you've gotta
respect these animals."

2081
01:39:35.614 --> 01:39:37.234
- [Jarod] This is Wyatt
right here, he's a Bengal tiger.

2082
01:39:37.334 --> 01:39:39.674
- And then this right here.
[tiger growls]

2083
01:39:39.774 --> 01:39:42.235
- [Woman on video] No!
- [Man on video] It's okay.

2084
01:39:42.335 --> 01:39:45.235
[sinister music]

2085
01:39:45.335 --> 01:39:49.115
♪♪

2086
01:39:49.215 --> 01:39:51.555
- If you take the tiger
that Jack had

2087
01:39:51.655 --> 01:39:53.315
on "Good Morning America,"

2088
01:39:53.415 --> 01:39:57.796
and you line it up next to
the tiger who was in a backyard,

2089
01:39:57.896 --> 01:40:00.716
put those side by side,

2090
01:40:00.816 --> 01:40:03.796
look at the stripes,
they match up perfectly.

2091
01:40:03.896 --> 01:40:05.676
That's a 100% match.

2092
01:40:05.776 --> 01:40:09.556
This is Gus, this is the tiger
we've been looking for.

2093
01:40:09.656 --> 01:40:11.996
- [Jack]
This is a Siberian tiger.
And all these tigers,

2094
01:40:12.096 --> 01:40:14.317
the American Zoological
and Aquarium Association,

2095
01:40:14.417 --> 01:40:16.637
they're in the SSP program.
Now these animals...

2096
01:40:16.737 --> 01:40:21.477
- The alleged SSP tiger
that Suzi Rapp

2097
01:40:21.577 --> 01:40:23.677
of the AZA's
Animal Welfare Committee

2098
01:40:23.777 --> 01:40:26.717
has on the end of a leash
on a national TV show,

2099
01:40:26.817 --> 01:40:29.478
for a small backyard party
in New York.

2100
01:40:29.578 --> 01:40:31.638
- Wow.
- [Tim] That is enough
right there

2101
01:40:31.738 --> 01:40:34.018
to blow the lid off
of all this.

2102
01:40:41.218 --> 01:40:42.478
- [Carney Anne]
Tim, it's Carney Anne,

2103
01:40:42.578 --> 01:40:43.878
you're not even
gonna believe this.

2104
01:40:43.978 --> 01:40:45.599
I just got those records
from New York

2105
01:40:45.699 --> 01:40:49.999
related to this illegal
exhibitions and public contact.

2106
01:40:50.099 --> 01:40:54.759
So Mr. Kemmerer's attorney
has picked three people

2107
01:40:54.859 --> 01:40:57.879
to solicit letters of reference.

2108
01:40:57.979 --> 01:41:01.880
And the letter I've got
right here on top is

2109
01:41:01.980 --> 01:41:04.680
from Suzi Rapp, Vice President
of Animal Programs

2110
01:41:04.780 --> 01:41:06.600
at the Columbus Zoo
and Aquarium.

2111
01:41:06.700 --> 01:41:08.640
- Oh, my God!

2112
01:41:08.740 --> 01:41:11.840
- [Carney Anne] "We found
Kemmerer to be highly competent,

2113
01:41:11.940 --> 01:41:14.920
"very knowledgeable
and experienced.

2114
01:41:15.020 --> 01:41:17.881
"And for this reason
we consistently used them

2115
01:41:17.981 --> 01:41:19.441
and their animals
for programs."

2116
01:41:19.541 --> 01:41:21.121
- Wow!

2117
01:41:21.221 --> 01:41:23.921
- [Carney Anne] And according
to Suzi Rapp, she,

2118
01:41:24.021 --> 01:41:27.281
and I quote, "Would consider
Wild World of Animals

2119
01:41:27.381 --> 01:41:30.921
to be at top-notch
institution."

2120
01:41:31.021 --> 01:41:34.522
So that's the Columbus Zoo...
- Wow!

2121
01:41:34.622 --> 01:41:36.202
- ...coming to the defense
of their boy

2122
01:41:36.302 --> 01:41:40.562
in a letter he included
to the State of New York

2123
01:41:40.662 --> 01:41:43.162
begging them
not to revoke his license.

2124
01:41:43.262 --> 01:41:46.482
[lion growling]

2125
01:41:46.582 --> 01:41:48.723
- I've been saying for years
that the Columbus Zoo,

2126
01:41:48.823 --> 01:41:52.243
Jack Hanna, they have to have
that private breeding.

2127
01:41:52.343 --> 01:41:55.003
If the Big Cat
Public Safety Act was passed,

2128
01:41:55.103 --> 01:41:56.803
straight from their words
from their mouth,

2129
01:41:56.903 --> 01:41:58.803
"We can no longer
do our business."

2130
01:41:58.903 --> 01:42:01.483
That's why they need
these backyard breeders.

2131
01:42:01.583 --> 01:42:03.043
The genie is out of the bottle,

2132
01:42:03.143 --> 01:42:05.264
and there's no way
they could put it back in.

2133
01:42:25.665 --> 01:42:28.205
- Well, there's nothing
more rewarding than

2134
01:42:28.305 --> 01:42:30.845
working or volunteering
in the animal offer world,

2135
01:42:30.945 --> 01:42:32.645
but it doesn't come
without risk.

2136
01:42:32.745 --> 01:42:35.926
I've been personally threatened
physically with my life.

2137
01:42:36.026 --> 01:42:38.366
I've been threatened
with litigation.

2138
01:42:38.466 --> 01:42:42.886
I've been just slandered online,
via social media and other ways.

2139
01:42:42.986 --> 01:42:45.566
At one point we were directed
by our attorneys

2140
01:42:45.666 --> 01:42:48.126
to check underneath our car
every day before we started it,

2141
01:42:48.226 --> 01:42:50.006
for fear of our life
that we were,

2142
01:42:50.106 --> 01:42:54.727
you know,
in risk of physical harm.

2143
01:42:54.827 --> 01:42:56.287
That's their only means
of stopping you

2144
01:42:56.387 --> 01:42:57.767
from exposing them.

2145
01:42:57.867 --> 01:43:00.267
And they'll stop at nothing.

2146
01:43:05.987 --> 01:43:07.488
- [Woman]
A dramatic day begins

2147
01:43:07.588 --> 01:43:09.768
as big cat owner,
Joe Maldonado-Passage,

2148
01:43:09.868 --> 01:43:11.648
better known as Joe Exotic,

2149
01:43:11.748 --> 01:43:14.408
will face Carole Baskin
in federal court.

2150
01:43:14.508 --> 01:43:17.128
According to the FBI,
the murder plot was foiled

2151
01:43:17.228 --> 01:43:19.128
when undercover agents
intervened.

2152
01:43:19.228 --> 01:43:22.688
Joe also faces 17 federal counts
of animal abuse.

2153
01:43:22.788 --> 01:43:24.289
- [Man] Oklahoma is one
of several states

2154
01:43:24.389 --> 01:43:27.249
that allows private ownership
and unregulated breeding

2155
01:43:27.349 --> 01:43:28.849
of big cats.

2156
01:43:28.949 --> 01:43:31.409
States like Nevada,
North Carolina, Wisconsin...

2157
01:43:31.509 --> 01:43:33.169
- [Woman] The big cat battle
rages on today

2158
01:43:33.269 --> 01:43:35.609
in the United States
on the same day

2159
01:43:35.709 --> 01:43:37.089
that Joe Exotic's
criminal trial

2160
01:43:37.189 --> 01:43:39.610
reaches a fever pitch
in Oklahoma.

2161
01:43:39.710 --> 01:43:41.890
Big cat advocates here
in Washington DC

2162
01:43:41.990 --> 01:43:43.850
will testify before Congress

2163
01:43:43.950 --> 01:43:46.850
in an effort to put an end
to private ownership.

2164
01:43:46.950 --> 01:43:49.810
- The Big Cat Public Safety Act
was first introduced last month.

2165
01:43:49.910 --> 01:43:51.970
This is the first time
though it's been discussed

2166
01:43:52.070 --> 01:43:53.650
in a hearing on Capitol Hill.

2167
01:43:53.750 --> 01:43:55.451
First responders
tell me they hope

2168
01:43:55.551 --> 01:43:57.531
this isn't the last time.

2169
01:43:57.631 --> 01:44:00.611
Do we know where all the tigers
are in the United States,

2170
01:44:00.711 --> 01:44:02.771
or the lions,
or any of these big cats?

2171
01:44:02.871 --> 01:44:04.531
- We don't know,
we can't follow it.

2172
01:44:04.631 --> 01:44:05.771
There's so many
backyard breeders,

2173
01:44:05.871 --> 01:44:07.531
and that's what
this law's about,

2174
01:44:07.631 --> 01:44:09.971
stopping the backyard breeders,
making it so the law enforcement

2175
01:44:10.071 --> 01:44:12.852
can do something about it,
can step in and stop this.

2176
01:44:12.952 --> 01:44:14.452
- The Big Cat Public Safety Act

2177
01:44:14.552 --> 01:44:16.332
would end the ownership
of big cats

2178
01:44:16.432 --> 01:44:18.332
as exotic pets,
and prohibit exhibitors

2179
01:44:18.432 --> 01:44:21.212
from allowing the public
to have contact with them,

2180
01:44:21.312 --> 01:44:24.812
keeping these majestic animals
and the public safe.

2181
01:44:24.912 --> 01:44:26.533
Well, we all love
these iconic species.

2182
01:44:26.633 --> 01:44:28.933
It's important to remember
that they're wild animals,

2183
01:44:29.033 --> 01:44:30.213
and they shouldn't
be kept as pets,

2184
01:44:30.313 --> 01:44:32.533
or treated like
petting zoo animals.

2185
01:44:32.633 --> 01:44:35.013
- These dangerous animals are
often kept in small spaces

2186
01:44:35.113 --> 01:44:37.733
that are entirely inconsistent
with their needs.

2187
01:44:37.833 --> 01:44:39.613
And rescue operations
have demonstrated

2188
01:44:39.713 --> 01:44:43.534
the extreme abuse enabled
by the pet big cat trade.

2189
01:44:43.634 --> 01:44:45.414
- With this Big Cat
Public Safety Act,

2190
01:44:45.514 --> 01:44:46.854
I never thought I'd ever see it

2191
01:44:46.954 --> 01:44:49.334
where it's actually
going to be voted on,

2192
01:44:49.434 --> 01:44:50.854
and it could be
through the House.

2193
01:44:50.954 --> 01:44:52.974
If it gets through the House,
it's amazing.

2194
01:44:53.074 --> 01:44:55.014
- Congressmen,
this committee in particular

2195
01:44:55.114 --> 01:44:56.774
must continue to work towards

2196
01:44:56.874 --> 01:44:58.895
protecting wildlife
at home and abroad,

2197
01:44:58.995 --> 01:45:01.535
if we hope
to preserve biodiversity

2198
01:45:01.635 --> 01:45:03.415
for future generations.

2199
01:45:03.515 --> 01:45:06.935
In particular,
I'd like to thank...

2200
01:45:07.035 --> 01:45:11.055
- This really I thought would
never happen in my lifetime.

2201
01:45:11.155 --> 01:45:13.175
And with this happening
has a lot to do

2202
01:45:13.275 --> 01:45:14.856
with all the organizations
out there,

2203
01:45:14.956 --> 01:45:17.536
has to do with all the people
that just love big cats,

2204
01:45:17.636 --> 01:45:19.976
and the people
that actually paid attention.

2205
01:45:20.076 --> 01:45:22.016
And right now we have
an opportunity

2206
01:45:22.116 --> 01:45:24.416
to stop all this madness.

2207
01:45:24.516 --> 01:45:25.936
And it is...

2208
01:45:26.036 --> 01:45:28.036
it's the greatest feeling
in the world.

2209
01:45:33.477 --> 01:45:35.177
- Other animal
welfare organizations,

2210
01:45:35.277 --> 01:45:38.177
because lions and tigers
do not belong

2211
01:45:38.277 --> 01:45:40.777
in urban apartments,
or in cages,

2212
01:45:40.877 --> 01:45:42.097
and suburban backyards.

2213
01:45:42.197 --> 01:45:44.617
- As the member designated
of Nevada,

2214
01:45:44.717 --> 01:45:47.498
I inform the House
that Miss Titus will vote yes

2215
01:45:47.598 --> 01:45:49.458
on HR1380.

2216
01:45:49.558 --> 01:45:52.858
- Miss Kaptur of Ohio who
will vote aye on HR1380.

2217
01:45:52.958 --> 01:45:55.738
- Mr. Patrick
will vote yes on HR1380.

2218
01:45:55.838 --> 01:45:58.498
- I inform the house
that Ms. Pingree will vote yes

2219
01:45:58.598 --> 01:46:00.218
on HR1380.

2220
01:46:00.318 --> 01:46:03.739
- I have never met
an animal welfare advocate,

2221
01:46:03.839 --> 01:46:06.419
myself included,
that has stopped.

2222
01:46:06.519 --> 01:46:10.739
- 965, I inform the House
that Mr. Price will vote yes.

2223
01:46:10.839 --> 01:46:14.739
He will vote yes on HR1380.

2224
01:46:14.839 --> 01:46:16.979
- And I consider it a privilege

2225
01:46:17.079 --> 01:46:19.840
to be able to take on
the challenge and not turn back.

2226
01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:32.620
- Best decision
that we've ever made.

2227
01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:34.901
And something I couldn't
be more proud of,

2228
01:46:35.001 --> 01:46:38.981
and I'll continue to do it
till the day I die.

2229
01:46:39.081 --> 01:46:41.861
[dramatic music]

2230
01:46:41.961 --> 01:46:43.861
- Breaking news just in to NBC4,

2231
01:46:43.961 --> 01:46:46.061
Jack Hanna is announcing
his retirement

2232
01:46:46.161 --> 01:46:47.621
from the Columbus Zoo.

2233
01:46:47.721 --> 01:46:50.102
This will be effective
at the end of the year.

2234
01:46:50.202 --> 01:46:51.782
- Are you shocked by this
at all, Colleen?

2235
01:46:51.882 --> 01:46:54.982
- I was because he's had
that status for so long,

2236
01:46:55.082 --> 01:46:57.102
and they say it's just time.

2237
01:46:57.202 --> 01:47:00.662
- Who else is going to do
the animal segments now?

2238
01:47:00.762 --> 01:47:02.502
- Now we're getting
to the point,

2239
01:47:02.602 --> 01:47:04.622
that the new generation
coming along right now,

2240
01:47:04.722 --> 01:47:06.263
and the next generation
after that,

2241
01:47:06.363 --> 01:47:10.783
I have high hopes, high hopes
that this is gonna stop.

2242
01:47:10.883 --> 01:47:13.943
And to me,
that makes me feel like,

2243
01:47:14.043 --> 01:47:15.983
you know, everything we did,

2244
01:47:16.083 --> 01:47:18.763
it's all been worth it
to watch this new generation.

2245
01:47:21.084 --> 01:47:23.464
- [Robert Irwin] Hey, guys,
so these are leopard cubs.

2246
01:47:23.564 --> 01:47:24.824
- [Jimmy] These are leopards?

2247
01:47:24.924 --> 01:47:26.304
- So these are
little baby leopards.

2248
01:47:26.404 --> 01:47:28.484
Aren't they amazing?
[audience laughs]

2249
01:47:30.924 --> 01:47:32.904
They're so cute,
aren't they?

2250
01:47:33.004 --> 01:47:36.024
[indistinct chatter on TV]

2251
01:47:36.124 --> 01:47:37.625
There you go.

2252
01:47:37.725 --> 01:47:40.665
[sinister music]

2253
01:47:40.765 --> 01:47:44.645
♪♪

2254
01:47:47.605 --> 01:47:50.505
[dramatic music]

2255
01:47:50.605 --> 01:47:54.146
♪♪

2256
01:47:54.246 --> 01:47:56.306
- [Woman] Today,
from Santa Barbara, California,

2257
01:47:56.406 --> 01:47:58.906
a bombshell new film
launches its world premier

2258
01:47:59.006 --> 01:48:02.666
to a sold-out crowd
of moviegoers and reporters.

2259
01:48:02.766 --> 01:48:05.226
The film sheds light
on a previously unknown

2260
01:48:05.326 --> 01:48:08.006
dark corner of the big cat...

2261
01:48:14.407 --> 01:48:16.947
- [George] The family
of the director emeritus
of the Columbus Zoo

2262
01:48:17.047 --> 01:48:18.987
has revealed that he's
been diagnosed with dementia,

2263
01:48:19.087 --> 01:48:21.667
and will no longer
take part in public life.

2264
01:48:21.767 --> 01:48:24.348
- [Woman] Jack Hanna is said to
be taking his final public bow,

2265
01:48:24.448 --> 01:48:26.848
after four decades of...

2266
01:48:34.288 --> 01:48:36.868
- [Woman] The Columbus Zoo
releases a statement today

2267
01:48:36.968 --> 01:48:39.068
expressing that now,
under the new leadership

2268
01:48:39.168 --> 01:48:41.829
of Jerry Borin,
they are publicly supporting

2269
01:48:41.929 --> 01:48:44.229
the Big Cat Public Safety Act.

2270
01:48:44.329 --> 01:48:46.389
Congress is expected
to cast a final vote

2271
01:48:46.489 --> 01:48:48.549
on the federal bill
later this year.

2272
01:48:48.649 --> 01:48:50.789
The statement comes
directly on the heels

2273
01:48:50.889 --> 01:48:52.889
of Jack Hanna's announcement...

2274
01:48:55.169 --> 01:48:57.270
- [Woman] Joe is serving
22 years inside

2275
01:48:57.370 --> 01:48:59.630
the Federal Medical Center
in Fort Worth, Texas,

2276
01:48:59.730 --> 01:49:03.970
for wildlife violations and
a plot to kill Carole Baskin.

2277
01:49:08.370 --> 01:49:10.270
- [Man] And now,
in his first prison interview,

2278
01:49:10.370 --> 01:49:13.831
Joe says he's counting
on Carole to get him out.

2279
01:49:13.931 --> 01:49:15.391
- [Joe] To get a pardon,

2280
01:49:15.491 --> 01:49:17.851
I would support
the Big Cat Safety Act.

2281
01:49:21.051 --> 01:49:26.931
♪♪