1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:14,347 --> 00:00:17,674 - They are known as jane and john does. 4 00:00:17,685 --> 00:00:22,345 40,000 murder victims are still unidentified. 5 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:23,805 [gentle music] 6 00:00:23,882 --> 00:00:27,851 Thousands of suspects are still at large. 7 00:00:27,862 --> 00:00:29,811 I'm on a mission to change all of that, 8 00:00:29,888 --> 00:00:31,605 One case at a time. 9 00:00:31,681 --> 00:00:32,698 Who is she? 10 00:00:32,775 --> 00:00:35,358 - Hunters discovered the mystery woman's remains 11 00:00:35,369 --> 00:00:36,610 Back in 1996. 12 00:00:36,686 --> 00:00:40,614 - Investigators want to get this woman back to her family. 13 00:00:40,690 --> 00:00:45,327 - For 23 years, polk county's jane doe has remained unknown. 14 00:00:45,403 --> 00:00:47,954 Her family left wondering, what happened? 15 00:00:48,031 --> 00:00:49,956 Until now. 16 00:00:50,033 --> 00:00:52,959 For nearly three decades, I worked as a csi, 17 00:00:53,036 --> 00:00:55,888 Specializing in the recovery of dna. 18 00:00:55,964 --> 00:00:58,840 I'm hoping with the advances in dna testing, 19 00:00:58,875 --> 00:01:01,718 We can get closer to tracking down her family 20 00:01:01,729 --> 00:01:03,178 And her identity. 21 00:01:03,213 --> 00:01:05,564 - In the underwear, there was a semen stain. 22 00:01:12,389 --> 00:01:14,314 - She's not just another jane doe. 23 00:01:14,391 --> 00:01:16,525 She's a person with a story. 24 00:01:16,601 --> 00:01:18,744 - My focus has always been the victims 25 00:01:18,821 --> 00:01:20,362 And the victim's family. 26 00:01:20,438 --> 00:01:22,572 She deserves her identity back, 27 00:01:22,583 --> 00:01:24,574 And I'm gonna work for that. 28 00:01:24,585 --> 00:01:28,912 [dramatic music] 29 00:01:28,923 --> 00:01:33,917 [indistinct chatter] 30 00:01:33,928 --> 00:01:36,920 [light dramatic music] 31 00:01:36,931 --> 00:01:42,392 ♪ ♪ 32 00:01:43,938 --> 00:01:46,888 [tense music] 33 00:01:46,965 --> 00:01:52,394 ♪ ♪ 34 00:01:52,470 --> 00:01:54,020 - I'm yolanda mcclary, 35 00:01:54,097 --> 00:01:56,690 A retired crime scene investigator 36 00:01:56,766 --> 00:02:00,068 From the las vegas metropolitan police department. 37 00:02:00,103 --> 00:02:03,572 I've helped to reopen and solve some of the most complex 38 00:02:03,648 --> 00:02:07,617 And mysterious cold cases in america. 39 00:02:07,628 --> 00:02:10,629 Polk county's jane doe cold case 40 00:02:10,706 --> 00:02:13,123 Has been haunting the local sheriff's department 41 00:02:13,134 --> 00:02:15,625 For nearly 25 years. 42 00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:19,421 I can only imagine how jane doe's family must feel. 43 00:02:19,456 --> 00:02:21,807 They still have no idea what happened to their mother, 44 00:02:21,884 --> 00:02:24,551 Wife, or sister. 45 00:02:24,628 --> 00:02:26,553 Thinking of my own family, 46 00:02:26,630 --> 00:02:30,432 Not knowing would be so painful. 47 00:02:30,467 --> 00:02:33,768 Murdered, discarded in a wooded area. 48 00:02:33,845 --> 00:02:36,104 Jane doe has been at the oregon state forensic lab 49 00:02:36,181 --> 00:02:39,274 For over two decades. 50 00:02:39,309 --> 00:02:41,443 I want to give her her name back. 51 00:02:41,519 --> 00:02:45,947 Using genealogy to help identify unidentified persons 52 00:02:45,982 --> 00:02:47,741 Has been a huge breakthrough. 53 00:02:47,817 --> 00:02:51,494 My hope is that it will lead us down the right path 54 00:02:51,505 --> 00:02:53,630 For her identification. 55 00:02:56,326 --> 00:02:59,794 - In September of 1996, a father and son hunting party 56 00:02:59,829 --> 00:03:02,130 Stumbled upon a skeletonized body 57 00:03:02,165 --> 00:03:04,966 Wrapped in a blue tarp, 58 00:03:05,043 --> 00:03:07,969 Up with ropes, 59 00:03:08,046 --> 00:03:11,681 And called the sheriff's office. 60 00:03:11,692 --> 00:03:13,808 Based on the wide pelvis, 61 00:03:13,885 --> 00:03:16,811 The medical examiner determined the body was female. 62 00:03:16,888 --> 00:03:19,940 But dna technology in 1996 prevented us 63 00:03:20,016 --> 00:03:22,868 From identifying her any more specifically. 64 00:03:27,065 --> 00:03:29,115 This is burney krauger. 65 00:03:29,192 --> 00:03:30,784 He's a retired detective, 66 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:33,712 And this case was his initially in '96. 67 00:03:33,789 --> 00:03:36,498 - Hi burney, nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 68 00:03:36,574 --> 00:03:38,667 - Obviously, trying to find her identity 69 00:03:38,743 --> 00:03:41,169 Is gonna be the huge thing to open up roads 70 00:03:41,246 --> 00:03:43,672 On maybe a different kind of investigation. 71 00:03:43,748 --> 00:03:45,548 - Burney krauger, he kept the case 72 00:03:45,559 --> 00:03:48,343 Until he retired in December 2013, 73 00:03:48,378 --> 00:03:51,137 And I took over the case at that point. 74 00:03:51,214 --> 00:03:55,734 - So on September 1, 1996, you're on patrol? 75 00:03:55,811 --> 00:03:57,903 - Correct. - Tell me about that. 76 00:03:57,980 --> 00:04:01,147 - Well, I made contact with the father and the son, 77 00:04:01,224 --> 00:04:02,857 And they told me they were grouse hunting 78 00:04:02,892 --> 00:04:04,985 And the dad said he came into a clearing, 79 00:04:05,061 --> 00:04:08,863 And there appeared to be a human skull 80 00:04:08,898 --> 00:04:11,199 Sitting in this clearing. 81 00:04:11,276 --> 00:04:12,867 From that point on then, 82 00:04:12,902 --> 00:04:16,421 We started the investigation of the dead body. 83 00:04:16,498 --> 00:04:19,091 The body was dumped and was wrapped in blue tarp. 84 00:04:19,167 --> 00:04:22,210 It had been there long enough that the coyotes or varmints 85 00:04:22,287 --> 00:04:23,929 Pulled the body out of the tarp. 86 00:04:24,006 --> 00:04:28,758 ♪ ♪ 87 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:31,094 - Okay, well, that makes sense. 88 00:04:31,105 --> 00:04:33,054 Got a lot of animals out and they're all feeding. 89 00:04:33,131 --> 00:04:34,723 - Right. 90 00:04:34,799 --> 00:04:36,558 - I chose this case 91 00:04:36,634 --> 00:04:39,561 Because this victim was discarded like trash, 92 00:04:39,637 --> 00:04:42,564 For animals to eat her remains. 93 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,233 No one, no one deserves to die that way. 94 00:04:45,310 --> 00:04:47,902 - The oregon medical examiner's office 95 00:04:47,937 --> 00:04:50,113 Did an autopsy on the bones, 96 00:04:50,124 --> 00:04:52,958 And they were unable to determine the cause of death 97 00:04:53,035 --> 00:04:55,910 Because they didn't find any knife wounds in the ribs, 98 00:04:55,987 --> 00:04:59,205 They didn't find any bullet holes, et cetera, so... 99 00:04:59,282 --> 00:05:01,207 - Okay. If you don't mind, 100 00:05:01,284 --> 00:05:04,711 I would love to get a feel for where this was, 101 00:05:04,788 --> 00:05:06,921 You know, at least an approximate area. 102 00:05:06,998 --> 00:05:08,715 So it would be okay if we go out there? 103 00:05:08,792 --> 00:05:10,592 - Yeah, we can do that. All right. 104 00:05:10,627 --> 00:05:12,093 - In order for me to better understand 105 00:05:12,128 --> 00:05:13,127 What happened to her, 106 00:05:13,163 --> 00:05:15,597 I need to visit the place where she was found. 107 00:05:15,673 --> 00:05:18,058 Retracing the actual steps of the killer 108 00:05:18,134 --> 00:05:20,727 Can reveal insights into the crime 109 00:05:20,804 --> 00:05:22,937 That a report just can't provide. 110 00:05:22,972 --> 00:05:26,441 [suspenseful music] 111 00:05:26,476 --> 00:05:28,276 - At the time in 1996, 112 00:05:28,353 --> 00:05:33,114 The location was a recently cleared logging area. 113 00:05:33,149 --> 00:05:35,116 - I don't know, if I was just some person 114 00:05:35,151 --> 00:05:38,953 That was finding a place to dump a body, 115 00:05:38,988 --> 00:05:41,006 I don't know that I could find this. 116 00:05:41,083 --> 00:05:43,792 - Well, in my opinion, I think it would be kind of difficult. 117 00:05:43,868 --> 00:05:47,587 They would have to be somewhat familiar with the area. 118 00:05:47,664 --> 00:05:50,006 - There are hundreds of logging roads in this county. 119 00:05:50,017 --> 00:05:51,758 You can get lost pretty easily up there. 120 00:05:51,835 --> 00:05:54,177 ♪ ♪ 121 00:05:54,188 --> 00:05:56,679 - Now this is the end of the log landing. 122 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:59,974 ♪ ♪ 123 00:06:00,009 --> 00:06:02,194 I didn't realize it'd be grown up this much. 124 00:06:02,270 --> 00:06:05,072 - Yeah, it's-- - it's grown up a lot. 125 00:06:09,277 --> 00:06:12,153 - I think we went over someplace in that area 126 00:06:12,188 --> 00:06:14,948 'cause I can remember that one stump being here. 127 00:06:15,024 --> 00:06:16,324 - That's probably where we need to go down. 128 00:06:16,401 --> 00:06:19,252 - Pretty close. 129 00:06:21,698 --> 00:06:24,207 - What kind of person would come all the way up here 130 00:06:24,218 --> 00:06:26,802 To dump a body? 131 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,007 I got to tell you, dragging a body down here-- 132 00:06:33,042 --> 00:06:37,637 It's steep, so I'm gonna say, whoever this is, is-- 133 00:06:37,714 --> 00:06:39,013 I'm not saying you have to be an athlete, 134 00:06:39,048 --> 00:06:40,223 But you have to be at least-- 135 00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:41,491 - Kind of good shape. - Yeah. 136 00:06:41,493 --> 00:06:44,569 - There's some fallen logs. Let's take a look at that. 137 00:06:45,906 --> 00:06:48,824 Looking at the photos, this is where the body was. 138 00:06:51,895 --> 00:06:53,319 - We're lucky she was ever found. 139 00:06:53,396 --> 00:06:54,904 I mean, I don't know why, but I'm just feeling that. 140 00:06:54,915 --> 00:06:56,322 - I am too. 141 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:58,917 They actually found the skull a couple hundred feet that way. 142 00:07:01,905 --> 00:07:04,372 - Eventually a tarp would have been found, 143 00:07:04,407 --> 00:07:05,915 And that would have been it. - Yeah. 144 00:07:05,926 --> 00:07:07,926 - I don't think there would've been anything else left. 145 00:07:08,003 --> 00:07:10,044 I don't think they would've found any of those bones. 146 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:13,673 That would've just been gone. - Yeah. 147 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:17,093 From the landing to where the body was, partway down, 148 00:07:17,104 --> 00:07:19,762 Hidden under a small tree, 149 00:07:19,773 --> 00:07:23,349 Was this bag of clothing. 150 00:07:23,426 --> 00:07:25,226 Well, that clothing that was found 151 00:07:25,303 --> 00:07:28,396 Was actually just up the hill, right up in there. 152 00:07:28,473 --> 00:07:31,733 It was a pair of pants, pair of underwear, 153 00:07:31,809 --> 00:07:34,402 Shirt, socks, shoes. 154 00:07:34,479 --> 00:07:38,165 34/34 pants, so it's belonged to a tall person. 155 00:07:39,126 --> 00:07:41,409 - Is it possible the killer changed, 156 00:07:41,444 --> 00:07:44,913 Then discarded his clothes after he dumped the body, 157 00:07:44,948 --> 00:07:47,290 Believing they would never be found? 158 00:07:47,301 --> 00:07:48,791 - That was significant. 159 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,126 It was likely a male, 160 00:07:50,137 --> 00:07:52,420 Tied to the person who put the body there. 161 00:07:52,455 --> 00:07:56,257 Size 34/34 pants, it's likely someone over 6-foot tall. 162 00:07:56,334 --> 00:07:57,976 - Did you guys ever have any clothing 163 00:07:58,053 --> 00:07:59,427 Or the evidence tested? 164 00:07:59,504 --> 00:08:00,929 - Yeah, actually in the underwear 165 00:08:00,964 --> 00:08:03,273 That was in the bag, there was a semen stain. 166 00:08:06,010 --> 00:08:08,770 They tried to develop the dna from that stain, 167 00:08:08,846 --> 00:08:10,438 And they had no luck in '96. - Okay. 168 00:08:10,473 --> 00:08:13,107 - They stored the sample that they created. 169 00:08:13,184 --> 00:08:14,943 - I'm super impressed and happy 170 00:08:15,019 --> 00:08:18,112 That we had a possible perp dna profile. 171 00:08:18,189 --> 00:08:21,115 - Finally in 2014, I said, 172 00:08:21,150 --> 00:08:23,168 "let's take another crack at it." 173 00:08:23,245 --> 00:08:25,328 At that point they were actually able to get 174 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:27,789 A partial dna from one of the samples, 175 00:08:27,865 --> 00:08:29,624 And it was good enough to go into codis. 176 00:08:29,659 --> 00:08:33,628 ♪ ♪ 177 00:08:33,663 --> 00:08:35,338 - That's a really good sample if it was good enough 178 00:08:35,349 --> 00:08:36,497 To go into codis. - Yeah, so. 179 00:08:36,533 --> 00:08:38,841 But unfortunately, we've not had any hits from that. 180 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:40,468 - Still nothing. 181 00:08:40,545 --> 00:08:42,345 - On one of the trees, 182 00:08:42,356 --> 00:08:46,808 There was a clump of brownish colored hair. 183 00:08:46,884 --> 00:08:48,476 ♪ ♪ 184 00:08:48,511 --> 00:08:51,020 Like, you whack your head on a tree 185 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:54,107 And it takes part of your skin off. 186 00:08:54,183 --> 00:08:56,034 - Brown hair? 187 00:08:56,111 --> 00:08:59,112 It was caught in a broken branch 188 00:08:59,188 --> 00:09:00,822 Above where the body was. 189 00:09:00,898 --> 00:09:03,992 We think whoever, disposing of the body 190 00:09:04,068 --> 00:09:06,878 And then they raised up, that they caught that-- 191 00:09:06,955 --> 00:09:08,371 - That branch. - Chunk. 192 00:09:08,382 --> 00:09:10,340 Whoever did it must have felt it. 193 00:09:12,577 --> 00:09:16,337 - Well, that was significant 'cause it didn't match her hair 194 00:09:16,414 --> 00:09:20,008 And it points to the person who drug her down there. 195 00:09:20,084 --> 00:09:22,885 Now we're having it looked at again. 196 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:25,513 - If we can get a usable dna profile, 197 00:09:25,548 --> 00:09:28,683 It could possibly open up roads we would never have before. 198 00:09:28,718 --> 00:09:31,236 It's such a huge deal because 199 00:09:31,313 --> 00:09:33,238 I want to give her her name back. 200 00:09:33,315 --> 00:09:35,282 I want to target her killer. 201 00:09:36,934 --> 00:09:38,868 That could be a game changer. 202 00:09:45,419 --> 00:09:47,869 - Her dad was a loser. 203 00:09:47,904 --> 00:09:50,380 - He was playing chicken on the railroad track. 204 00:09:54,336 --> 00:09:56,210 - I tried to talk her out of it. 205 00:09:56,287 --> 00:09:58,338 - It's very shocking. 206 00:09:58,414 --> 00:10:00,089 Almost like an out-of-body experience. 207 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,550 [indistinct chatter] 208 00:10:02,585 --> 00:10:06,521 [light dramatic music] 209 00:10:11,460 --> 00:10:14,270 [light dramatic music] 210 00:10:14,281 --> 00:10:16,898 [tense music] 211 00:10:16,974 --> 00:10:18,441 ♪ ♪ 212 00:10:18,452 --> 00:10:22,779 [birds cawing] 213 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:24,739 - The discarded remains of a woman 214 00:10:24,774 --> 00:10:27,792 We call jane doe are found by hunters 215 00:10:27,869 --> 00:10:31,245 Nearly 25 years ago in polk county, oregon. 216 00:10:31,322 --> 00:10:36,542 ♪ ♪ 217 00:10:36,619 --> 00:10:40,254 I'm headed to the oregon state forensic lab 218 00:10:40,289 --> 00:10:44,392 To meet with nici vance, their state anthropologist. 219 00:10:45,795 --> 00:10:49,564 It's amazing how much information bones can tell us. 220 00:10:50,725 --> 00:10:54,644 How old our victim is, if they ever had a child, 221 00:10:54,655 --> 00:10:56,696 How tall they were possibly. 222 00:10:59,976 --> 00:11:04,329 - We've tried so many things on this particular jane doe. 223 00:11:04,406 --> 00:11:05,997 So she's right here. 224 00:11:06,074 --> 00:11:07,907 - So you said you have the majority of her? 225 00:11:07,984 --> 00:11:09,784 - I do. 226 00:11:09,861 --> 00:11:12,420 But we just can't seem to identify her. 227 00:11:15,676 --> 00:11:17,792 I'm gonna lay her out in anatomical position. 228 00:11:17,827 --> 00:11:19,585 - Yeah, absolutely. Yes. 229 00:11:19,662 --> 00:11:22,588 - So you can see exactly what we have. 230 00:11:22,665 --> 00:11:24,683 - Oh, my goodness. - Isn't that amazing? 231 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:26,843 - Now that is really a weird scar. 232 00:11:26,853 --> 00:11:31,356 - Yeah, so this is definitely a craniotomy scar, so-- 233 00:11:31,433 --> 00:11:32,849 - Surgery. - Surgery, yes. 234 00:11:32,859 --> 00:11:34,434 This is not an injury. 235 00:11:34,510 --> 00:11:36,519 There's part of her spinal column. 236 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:38,354 - Uh-huh. - That would indicate 237 00:11:38,365 --> 00:11:42,033 That she hadn't necessarily been out there all that long. 238 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:45,820 - Uh huh. She seems small. 239 00:11:45,897 --> 00:11:48,823 - I don't think she's over 5'3", 5'4". 240 00:11:48,858 --> 00:11:51,826 We know she's female based on characteristics 241 00:11:51,903 --> 00:11:54,495 In her skeletal system. 242 00:11:54,530 --> 00:11:57,498 We see a very, very wide pelvis. 243 00:11:57,533 --> 00:12:00,710 - Can you tell if somebody's had children, given childbirth? 244 00:12:00,721 --> 00:12:02,670 - Yeah, there's a little divot right there, 245 00:12:02,747 --> 00:12:04,389 A little depression that is created 246 00:12:04,466 --> 00:12:08,509 When a very large ligament detaches during childbirth. 247 00:12:08,586 --> 00:12:11,053 We see indication that she very well 248 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:13,848 Could have been a mother. 249 00:12:13,883 --> 00:12:15,683 - As a mother, this kind of hits home. 250 00:12:15,718 --> 00:12:18,978 When I found out that jane doe had at least one child, 251 00:12:19,055 --> 00:12:20,813 I'm wondering if that child 252 00:12:20,890 --> 00:12:22,982 Has been looking for her all these years. 253 00:12:23,059 --> 00:12:26,486 - We know that she's past her 30s. 254 00:12:26,562 --> 00:12:29,697 We're now moving into probably the fourth decade of life. 255 00:12:29,732 --> 00:12:30,915 - Into her 40s. - Mm-hmm. 256 00:12:30,992 --> 00:12:32,366 - Got it. - Exactly. 257 00:12:32,401 --> 00:12:34,702 - Did you find any kind of cause of death? 258 00:12:34,779 --> 00:12:38,080 - We don't have soft tissue, so we don't see a bullet wound. 259 00:12:38,091 --> 00:12:40,925 We've looked, there there's no knife defects. 260 00:12:41,002 --> 00:12:42,001 So everything-- 261 00:12:42,078 --> 00:12:44,086 - No blunt force trauma there. - Exactly right. 262 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:46,839 So we would see that depression in the bone. 263 00:12:46,916 --> 00:12:48,382 Don't see it here, 264 00:12:48,459 --> 00:12:51,677 So we have virtually no indication 265 00:12:51,754 --> 00:12:54,680 Regarding how she came to die, yeah. 266 00:12:54,757 --> 00:12:57,725 - How she died, okay. 267 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,854 - The cause of death based on the bones is not clear, 268 00:13:01,931 --> 00:13:03,731 But unfortunately the manner of death 269 00:13:03,808 --> 00:13:07,068 Or why she died is still homicide 270 00:13:07,144 --> 00:13:09,621 Since she clearly didn't wrap herself up 271 00:13:09,697 --> 00:13:11,956 In a tarp on that hill. 272 00:13:12,033 --> 00:13:13,792 So we're down to dna. 273 00:13:13,868 --> 00:13:17,796 Other than that, there's just not a lot. 274 00:13:17,872 --> 00:13:21,207 - I lose sleep over this case because she's so identifiable. 275 00:13:21,284 --> 00:13:23,751 I want to believe that someone's looking for her. 276 00:13:23,786 --> 00:13:26,087 Let's give her back to her family. 277 00:13:26,122 --> 00:13:28,047 So if there's some sort of new technology 278 00:13:28,124 --> 00:13:31,717 That you can help us with, let's see what we can find out. 279 00:13:31,794 --> 00:13:34,929 - I'm hoping with the advances in dna testing, 280 00:13:35,006 --> 00:13:38,766 We can now collect her dna from just her bones. 281 00:13:38,801 --> 00:13:41,811 We don't know the cause of death. 282 00:13:41,822 --> 00:13:43,479 But what I do know 283 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:45,898 Is that jane doe has at least one child 284 00:13:45,975 --> 00:13:47,992 Who may still be alive. 285 00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:51,487 So there must be family out there looking for her. 286 00:13:51,498 --> 00:13:54,907 Imagine all these years looking for someone you loved. 287 00:13:54,984 --> 00:13:56,951 It's heartbreaking. 288 00:13:57,028 --> 00:13:59,620 Now I need to speak with the detectives. 289 00:13:59,655 --> 00:14:01,122 If detectives can determine 290 00:14:01,157 --> 00:14:03,958 When jane doe's remains were dumped, 291 00:14:03,993 --> 00:14:07,095 It could help us find out who she might be. 292 00:14:08,849 --> 00:14:11,683 [tense music] 293 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:13,184 ♪ ♪ 294 00:14:13,261 --> 00:14:16,679 All right, let's talk about evidence a little bit. 295 00:14:16,690 --> 00:14:18,681 And the time frame, the time of year. 296 00:14:18,692 --> 00:14:23,194 - We put a time period in there of late June to the middle, 297 00:14:23,271 --> 00:14:25,479 Maybe even two-thirds July 298 00:14:25,514 --> 00:14:28,449 Because of what the vegetation shows you. 299 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:32,820 Grass played an important part 300 00:14:32,897 --> 00:14:35,114 In determining approximate time 301 00:14:35,191 --> 00:14:38,826 Of the body being deposited there. 302 00:14:38,861 --> 00:14:41,120 - Burney collected grass 303 00:14:41,197 --> 00:14:43,539 From next to where the body was, 304 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:46,167 And grass from under where the body was. 305 00:14:46,202 --> 00:14:48,836 The difference in height between these two grasses 306 00:14:48,871 --> 00:14:51,672 Indicates that she was there two to three months. 307 00:14:51,749 --> 00:14:53,883 - And then we also found a receipt 308 00:14:53,894 --> 00:14:57,470 And some clothes that were up there. 309 00:14:57,546 --> 00:15:00,306 - In the shirt pocket of one of the shirts 310 00:15:00,383 --> 00:15:03,684 That was in this bag was a restaurant receipt. 311 00:15:03,761 --> 00:15:08,814 It was for around $5 worth of food for one person. 312 00:15:08,891 --> 00:15:12,860 This fast food receipt was dated June 26th. 313 00:15:12,937 --> 00:15:14,987 - Okay, that's very interesting. 314 00:15:15,064 --> 00:15:17,582 So you have two things now saying probably late June. 315 00:15:17,659 --> 00:15:19,751 - Yeah. - I think your timeline's good. 316 00:15:19,827 --> 00:15:23,588 I think your timelines probably right on. 317 00:15:23,665 --> 00:15:25,665 - So we know when the killer likely dumped 318 00:15:25,741 --> 00:15:28,542 His clothes and the body, 319 00:15:28,619 --> 00:15:31,763 But we still need to identify our victim. 320 00:15:31,839 --> 00:15:34,215 Dr. Vance has been very helpful so I was picking her brain, 321 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:36,550 I'm like, "what else can we do?" 322 00:15:36,585 --> 00:15:39,720 She's like, "I got somebody that can do you a sketch." 323 00:15:39,797 --> 00:15:42,932 So in 2014, dr. Vance provided the skull 324 00:15:42,943 --> 00:15:44,767 To a forensic artist, 325 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:48,062 And it was remarkable what came back. 326 00:15:48,139 --> 00:15:50,949 A forensic artist can approximate a person's face 327 00:15:51,025 --> 00:15:54,118 Based only on the contours of the skull. 328 00:15:56,313 --> 00:15:58,122 For the first time, 329 00:15:58,199 --> 00:16:01,951 I was looking into the face of jane doe. 330 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:04,078 We got those beautiful sketches, 331 00:16:04,155 --> 00:16:05,746 And they experimented 332 00:16:05,781 --> 00:16:08,374 With different hairstyles, hair colors 333 00:16:08,451 --> 00:16:12,044 To give us a range of what our doe would have looked like. 334 00:16:12,121 --> 00:16:15,047 - Once detectives had three potential sketches 335 00:16:15,124 --> 00:16:16,298 Of their victim, 336 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:18,759 They turned to the media to generate leads. 337 00:16:18,794 --> 00:16:22,263 - Investigators want to get this woman back to her family, 338 00:16:22,298 --> 00:16:26,651 But they have no idea who she is or where she's from. 339 00:16:26,728 --> 00:16:30,146 If you think you might know who this mystery woman is, 340 00:16:30,156 --> 00:16:33,032 You're asked to contact the polk county sheriff's office. 341 00:16:37,146 --> 00:16:39,780 - We were able to get a variety of sketches 342 00:16:39,815 --> 00:16:42,742 Based on the skull of what our victim might have looked like. 343 00:16:42,818 --> 00:16:43,951 - Yeah. 344 00:16:43,986 --> 00:16:46,787 - And I did get a call from canada. 345 00:16:46,864 --> 00:16:49,999 They had a missing person up there. 346 00:16:50,010 --> 00:16:52,668 Turned out it wasn't-- wasn't ours. 347 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,305 That's the only serious tip that has come in. 348 00:16:57,875 --> 00:16:59,800 Kind of been disappointing. 349 00:16:59,835 --> 00:17:01,635 - Well, and after 23 years 350 00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:03,304 If you haven't even found any good leads, 351 00:17:03,339 --> 00:17:05,189 They're just probably not there anymore. 352 00:17:05,266 --> 00:17:07,850 Times have changed, you know, in how we can do things now. 353 00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:12,196 This is a great case to try just genealogy. 354 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:21,781 It's not like anything else 355 00:17:21,857 --> 00:17:24,658 That dna has ever been used for. 356 00:17:24,693 --> 00:17:26,035 It's new to me, too. 357 00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:28,788 Dna solutions in oklahoma, private lab, 358 00:17:28,864 --> 00:17:30,039 They'll try to extract the dna. 359 00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:31,832 Doing this whole different profile 360 00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:35,044 That can be uploaded into open source databases. 361 00:17:35,055 --> 00:17:37,671 Then, you know, you start building trees, 362 00:17:37,706 --> 00:17:38,872 And these trees have to connect, 363 00:17:38,908 --> 00:17:41,893 And they keep connecting and connecting and connecting 364 00:17:41,969 --> 00:17:44,303 Till finally, hopefully, they all can come together, 365 00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:47,607 And hopefully right down to your jane doe. 366 00:17:49,885 --> 00:17:51,352 I'm determined to help detectives 367 00:17:51,428 --> 00:17:53,854 Identify their jane doe. 368 00:17:53,931 --> 00:17:57,024 If my team can extract a solid sample of dna 369 00:17:57,059 --> 00:17:58,818 From jane doe's bones, 370 00:17:58,894 --> 00:18:03,989 We can then compare it to dna in public source databases, 371 00:18:04,066 --> 00:18:07,752 In the hopes that any of her relatives' dna are in there. 372 00:18:07,829 --> 00:18:09,912 It's a lot of work, but I got a great team. 373 00:18:09,923 --> 00:18:11,422 - We thank you. 374 00:18:11,499 --> 00:18:13,925 We really don't have anywhere else to go. 375 00:18:14,001 --> 00:18:16,260 It's amazing 'cause this new technology could be 376 00:18:16,337 --> 00:18:18,879 Just what we're looking for to solve this case. 377 00:18:18,914 --> 00:18:21,882 [tense music] 378 00:18:21,917 --> 00:18:23,509 ♪ ♪ 379 00:18:23,586 --> 00:18:26,512 [light dramatic music] 380 00:18:26,589 --> 00:18:27,897 ♪ ♪ 381 00:18:32,352 --> 00:18:34,895 [light dramatic music] 382 00:18:34,972 --> 00:18:38,232 ♪ ♪ 383 00:18:38,309 --> 00:18:41,360 - With this groundbreaking forensic technology, 384 00:18:41,437 --> 00:18:44,780 We have a new tool to help solve cold cases. 385 00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:48,200 Our jane doe's bones are sent to dna solutions, 386 00:18:48,277 --> 00:18:52,705 A highly-respected, private lab in oklahoma. 387 00:18:52,781 --> 00:18:54,623 - I'm dr. Anstead. I'm the lab director. 388 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,417 We're a laboratory that handles 389 00:18:56,452 --> 00:18:58,586 A number of different kinds of dna work. 390 00:18:58,662 --> 00:19:00,805 They've been extracting dna from skeletal remains 391 00:19:00,882 --> 00:19:02,923 For quite a few years now, but what's changed 392 00:19:02,958 --> 00:19:06,144 Is the technology to actually recover that dna... 393 00:19:32,655 --> 00:19:35,673 [light dramatic music] 394 00:19:48,855 --> 00:19:51,522 - I can't believe after more than two decades 395 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:53,524 After our jane doe's remains were found, 396 00:19:53,601 --> 00:19:55,476 We had her dna profile. 397 00:19:55,552 --> 00:19:58,312 The dna in this case was a bit challenging 398 00:19:58,347 --> 00:20:02,358 Because there had been some degration level in the bone 399 00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:04,985 Due to the fact that the bone is 23 years old, 400 00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:07,488 But we're quite pleased with after two extractions, 401 00:20:07,564 --> 00:20:08,897 We got what we want. 402 00:20:08,899 --> 00:20:12,877 Finally, we are getting closer to tracking down her family 403 00:20:12,954 --> 00:20:15,046 And her identity. 404 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,377 Now from my hometown in las vegas, 405 00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:24,672 I contacted two of the best genealogists in the country. 406 00:20:24,707 --> 00:20:27,049 [energetic music] 407 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:28,842 - My name is charles mcgee. 408 00:20:28,919 --> 00:20:31,512 I do all sorts of different kinds of genealogical research, 409 00:20:31,547 --> 00:20:35,683 With my main focus being forensic genealogy. 410 00:20:35,718 --> 00:20:38,560 - This kind of investigative work is very different 411 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:40,062 Than just genealogy, 412 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:42,690 Because we start with an unknown. 413 00:20:42,766 --> 00:20:45,818 We have no clue who this person is. 414 00:20:45,894 --> 00:20:47,569 - I can't thank you guys enough for coming. 415 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:49,905 I just got back from oregon. 416 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:55,911 They had a body that was found September 1, 1996. 417 00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:58,664 Our jane doe would have been in her 40s. 418 00:20:58,741 --> 00:21:02,334 - And did she have children? - She had at least one child, 419 00:21:02,411 --> 00:21:03,761 But possibly more. 420 00:21:03,838 --> 00:21:07,715 - With a viable dna profile, we're able to upload that 421 00:21:07,791 --> 00:21:09,934 To a private genetic dna database. 422 00:21:10,011 --> 00:21:13,721 Once we're able to show matches to our jane doe, 423 00:21:13,797 --> 00:21:16,432 Genetic matches, obviously we're hoping for a bull's-eye. 424 00:21:16,442 --> 00:21:17,625 - What's a bull's-eye? 425 00:21:17,701 --> 00:21:20,436 - Well, like a parent relationship would be awesome. 426 00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:21,537 - Okay. 427 00:21:21,539 --> 00:21:23,439 - The more dna that you share with somebody, 428 00:21:23,449 --> 00:21:24,706 The closer your relationship. 429 00:21:24,708 --> 00:21:27,952 So a paternal line and a maternal line coming together, 430 00:21:28,029 --> 00:21:30,446 Beneath there, somewhere, is gonna be our doe, hopefully. 431 00:21:30,456 --> 00:21:31,780 - Gotcha. 432 00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,742 - We can't expect to get a parent 433 00:21:34,777 --> 00:21:36,744 Or a sibling bull's-eye right off the bat. 434 00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:38,746 I mean, we're always hoping for something like that, 435 00:21:38,781 --> 00:21:39,872 But that's pretty rare. 436 00:21:39,948 --> 00:21:42,633 Then you get down to second, third, fourth cousins 437 00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:44,960 And removed cousins and half cousins. 438 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:46,420 - Lots of headaches. - We have tools-- 439 00:21:46,455 --> 00:21:47,921 We have all sorts of tools that can help us 440 00:21:47,998 --> 00:21:49,974 Try to determine what those relationships might be. 441 00:21:50,051 --> 00:21:51,309 - Okay. 442 00:21:51,385 --> 00:21:52,810 - So we can kind of narrow the field. 443 00:21:52,887 --> 00:21:55,971 Once her dna is uploaded to this genetic 444 00:21:55,982 --> 00:21:58,649 Genealogy research site we use, 445 00:21:58,726 --> 00:22:02,320 We're able to see our jane doe's top matches, 446 00:22:02,396 --> 00:22:04,488 Her closest relatives. 447 00:22:04,565 --> 00:22:07,491 [pensive music] 448 00:22:07,568 --> 00:22:14,540 ♪ ♪ 449 00:22:16,502 --> 00:22:18,660 - I got the top ten matches that you sent. 450 00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:21,339 - Yep, the dna was uploaded to the database 451 00:22:21,415 --> 00:22:23,999 And matches for our jane doe are listed there. 452 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:26,168 We were hoping for something better, obviously. 453 00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:29,088 Our jane doe matches are so distantly related 454 00:22:29,164 --> 00:22:32,007 That she likely never even knew them during her life. 455 00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:34,843 That makes the research pretty difficult. 456 00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:38,689 - I liken this process to working a jigsaw puzzle. 457 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:40,524 When you get a list of matches, 458 00:22:40,601 --> 00:22:42,810 Some of them are valuable, some of them are not, 459 00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:44,528 But you don't know until you get going. 460 00:22:44,605 --> 00:22:46,522 You're just flying blind. 461 00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:48,190 - So we'll start out with the anna adams tree. 462 00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:49,525 - Yes. 463 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:50,859 - You can begin working on that, jean. 464 00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:52,820 I can take the sam smith tree. 465 00:22:52,896 --> 00:22:55,155 And yolanda, you can start on dt jones. 466 00:22:55,232 --> 00:22:57,541 And we can just keep on progressing from there. 467 00:22:57,618 --> 00:22:59,043 - All right. 468 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,954 So now we have our top ten matches to our jane doe. 469 00:23:02,030 --> 00:23:04,998 That means building out ten different family trees 470 00:23:05,075 --> 00:23:08,001 That will have thousands of people in each, 471 00:23:08,036 --> 00:23:10,712 To ultimately find that marriage 472 00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:14,508 Between jane doe's mother and father to lead us to her. 473 00:23:14,585 --> 00:23:16,677 - Somewhere there's a marriage that occurred 474 00:23:16,753 --> 00:23:20,639 That produced the parent or grandparent of the doe. 475 00:23:20,716 --> 00:23:22,641 - We're looking for the crossover 476 00:23:22,718 --> 00:23:26,728 When one person in this tree marries somebody in this tree. 477 00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:30,574 - Where they come together is where our doe's gonna be. 478 00:23:30,651 --> 00:23:32,151 - All right, everybody divide and conquer. 479 00:23:32,227 --> 00:23:35,154 [gentle music] 480 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:41,034 ♪ ♪ 481 00:23:41,069 --> 00:23:43,203 Based on our genealogy research, 482 00:23:43,238 --> 00:23:46,582 The two common names that we have 483 00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:49,168 In our tree are thomas and fuller. 484 00:23:49,244 --> 00:23:52,546 So chuck, you found some crossovers, some marriages. 485 00:23:52,623 --> 00:23:56,434 - Yeah, one of our matches is related to tennie fuller, 486 00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:58,760 And the other is related to claude thomas. 487 00:23:58,771 --> 00:24:00,220 And we found a crossover 488 00:24:00,255 --> 00:24:02,723 Because claude and tennie married. 489 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:06,444 - So how does, ultimately, our doe fit into this? 490 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,230 - Our doe could actually be the child of tennie and claude, 491 00:24:10,307 --> 00:24:11,773 Or it could be the grandchild. 492 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,568 Claude and tennie had seven children, 493 00:24:14,603 --> 00:24:17,196 Six boys and one girl. 494 00:24:17,272 --> 00:24:19,957 Morgan and leo were the oldest. 495 00:24:20,034 --> 00:24:22,075 Billy and bettie were the youngest. 496 00:24:22,152 --> 00:24:26,788 And bettie thomas, we believe that she moved to oregon. 497 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:27,915 - Wow. 498 00:24:27,991 --> 00:24:30,292 - So that's a big hit right there. 499 00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:32,753 Bettie was born in 1934. 500 00:24:32,788 --> 00:24:35,139 - We're looking for somebody in their late 40s, maybe 50s. 501 00:24:35,216 --> 00:24:37,090 She's a little older 502 00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:39,635 Than probably what we want for our doe, right? 503 00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:40,811 - Yeah. 504 00:24:40,888 --> 00:24:43,639 - Bettie would've been 62 when jane doe was murdered, 505 00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:45,974 Nearly 20 years her senior. 506 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,652 So she may not be our victim. 507 00:24:48,729 --> 00:24:50,562 We needed detective williams' help. 508 00:24:50,639 --> 00:24:53,232 [energetic music] 509 00:24:53,308 --> 00:24:54,942 - So looking into bettie's background, 510 00:24:55,018 --> 00:24:56,827 I found something that I didn't expect. 511 00:24:56,904 --> 00:24:59,780 She had passed away in king county, washington, 512 00:24:59,815 --> 00:25:01,907 In October of '96, 513 00:25:01,984 --> 00:25:05,661 Four months after our doe was likely killed. 514 00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:07,838 So obviously, it couldn't be our doe. 515 00:25:07,915 --> 00:25:10,841 - So bettie's deceased and actually had a funeral. 516 00:25:10,918 --> 00:25:12,251 It's not her. 517 00:25:12,327 --> 00:25:14,795 - Bettie's out. 518 00:25:14,871 --> 00:25:16,255 - We know she had four daughters, 519 00:25:16,331 --> 00:25:17,839 But they're all accounted for. 520 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:19,174 - So it has to be the daughter 521 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:21,260 Of one of those remaining siblings. 522 00:25:21,336 --> 00:25:24,805 - So we have six boys that we need to figure out 523 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,182 Who they're married to and every one of their kids. 524 00:25:27,193 --> 00:25:29,643 Their kids would be born in the right time frame 525 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,028 Of the 1950s. 526 00:25:31,105 --> 00:25:33,146 I guess everybody, let's hit our computers, 527 00:25:33,181 --> 00:25:35,107 See what we can find, find phone numbers, 528 00:25:35,183 --> 00:25:36,650 Maybe we just need to start talking 529 00:25:36,685 --> 00:25:38,151 To some of these people too if they're alive. 530 00:25:38,186 --> 00:25:40,871 This is the biggest lead in over two decades. 531 00:25:44,401 --> 00:25:47,327 [light dramatic music] 532 00:25:47,404 --> 00:25:48,546 ♪ ♪ 533 00:25:53,476 --> 00:25:56,878 [light dramatic music] 534 00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:59,506 - So we have six boys 535 00:25:59,541 --> 00:26:01,967 That we need to figure out who they're married to 536 00:26:02,044 --> 00:26:03,677 And every one of their kids. 537 00:26:03,712 --> 00:26:05,721 - Right. - So it has to be the daughter 538 00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:08,640 Of one of those remaining siblings. 539 00:26:08,717 --> 00:26:11,351 - Starting out, morgan is the first boy. 540 00:26:11,428 --> 00:26:13,353 Second boy is leo. 541 00:26:13,388 --> 00:26:15,897 - Leo. Robert. 542 00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:18,483 - Billy. 543 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,360 - And they're all still oklahoma-based? 544 00:26:20,437 --> 00:26:21,745 - Well, we don't know that for sure. 545 00:26:21,822 --> 00:26:23,530 We're going to have to begin to, you know, 546 00:26:23,565 --> 00:26:24,698 Fill that out, fill that information. 547 00:26:24,775 --> 00:26:25,916 - All right, well then, 548 00:26:25,993 --> 00:26:27,918 Let's do some more research on all of them. 549 00:26:27,995 --> 00:26:30,245 I guess everybody, let's hit our computers, 550 00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:31,872 See what we can find, find phone numbers, 551 00:26:31,948 --> 00:26:33,749 Maybe we need to start talking to some of these people too 552 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:35,208 If they're alive. 553 00:26:35,285 --> 00:26:36,710 - Yeah. - Okay. 554 00:26:36,745 --> 00:26:39,588 - We methodically went through the siblings, 555 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:41,757 Starting with his oldest and working down, 556 00:26:41,767 --> 00:26:43,267 And trying to figure out, 557 00:26:43,344 --> 00:26:45,510 You know, who they would have been married to. 558 00:26:45,587 --> 00:26:47,605 And if any of them had a daughter, 559 00:26:47,681 --> 00:26:49,273 That could be our jane doe. 560 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:50,849 We couldn't get anywhere. 561 00:26:50,926 --> 00:26:53,777 But lo and behold, weeks later we discovered 562 00:26:53,854 --> 00:26:56,730 Billy thomas, bettie's brother, 563 00:26:56,807 --> 00:26:58,899 The only living sibling. 564 00:26:58,975 --> 00:27:01,902 - This whole line of siblings and only one of them 565 00:27:01,937 --> 00:27:04,696 Was still living, and that was billy. 566 00:27:04,773 --> 00:27:07,908 He's now 85 years old, in oklahoma. 567 00:27:07,984 --> 00:27:09,877 [line ringing] 568 00:27:13,115 --> 00:27:17,417 - Hey, is this billy? 569 00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:18,969 - This is detective williams from oregon. 570 00:27:19,046 --> 00:27:22,047 How are you doing? 571 00:27:22,124 --> 00:27:23,965 - Hoping that he could fill in some of the holes, 572 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:26,810 I asked billy about his nieces and nephews. 573 00:27:26,887 --> 00:27:29,813 - We just had a conversation, you know, 574 00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:35,435 And he said that he's working on this case. 575 00:27:35,512 --> 00:27:36,937 I gave him what I knew. 576 00:27:37,013 --> 00:27:40,440 I've got five brothers, I'm the sixth. 577 00:27:40,475 --> 00:27:43,318 Leo was my second oldest brother. 578 00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:46,947 Him and his wife had three daughters. 579 00:27:46,982 --> 00:27:49,616 - Billy said none of his other brothers had daughters, 580 00:27:49,693 --> 00:27:52,753 But leo had three girls with jessie, his wife. 581 00:27:54,156 --> 00:27:56,340 - I don't know how he met her or anything. 582 00:27:56,417 --> 00:28:00,010 All I can tell you is they had sandra, linda, and kathy. 583 00:28:00,087 --> 00:28:02,462 - All he knew were first names. 584 00:28:02,497 --> 00:28:04,682 He hadn't seen them since they were little kids, 585 00:28:04,758 --> 00:28:08,093 So knowing that leo and jessie had three girls 586 00:28:08,170 --> 00:28:11,471 Born in about the right time in the 50s, 587 00:28:11,506 --> 00:28:13,432 I'm almost certain that one of them is our doe. 588 00:28:13,508 --> 00:28:17,861 ♪ ♪ 589 00:28:17,938 --> 00:28:20,480 - Billy said the girls were split up 590 00:28:20,557 --> 00:28:24,576 After his brother leo and jessie divorced around 1959. 591 00:28:27,522 --> 00:28:29,456 Here in oklahoma. 592 00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:33,994 About five miles from town. 593 00:28:34,029 --> 00:28:38,832 - Then billy told us something that blew this case wide open. 594 00:28:38,909 --> 00:28:41,427 - Leo took kathy to oregon. 595 00:28:43,413 --> 00:28:44,838 - This is big. 596 00:28:44,915 --> 00:28:47,841 It's the same state where our jane doe was found. 597 00:28:47,918 --> 00:28:49,885 She's the right age. 598 00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:53,722 She lived not far from where our victim's body was found. 599 00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:58,977 And her two sisters are alive, living in the midwest. 600 00:28:59,054 --> 00:29:02,740 Kathy is the best chance at being our jane doe. 601 00:29:05,894 --> 00:29:08,495 - And I said "well, what do you think happened to kathy?" 602 00:29:25,172 --> 00:29:27,598 - Leo adopted her out to a family 603 00:29:27,674 --> 00:29:29,433 With the last name of buxton. 604 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:31,092 He said, "I don't how to spell it. 605 00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:33,553 I don't know where they live. That's just what I heard." 606 00:29:33,588 --> 00:29:35,722 So I have a name, buxton, 607 00:29:35,757 --> 00:29:38,108 And now I got to figure out who linda and sandra are. 608 00:29:38,185 --> 00:29:39,768 How can I do that? 609 00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:42,854 I'm like okay, leo died in 1966, 610 00:29:42,931 --> 00:29:46,900 But jessie, I knew she died in okemah, oklahoma. 611 00:29:46,935 --> 00:29:48,610 Called the little newspaper there, 612 00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:51,705 Asked them if they had an obituary from 2002. 613 00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:56,794 A relative told me that linda and sandra were adopted out 614 00:29:56,870 --> 00:30:01,915 To a local family in okemah because jessie, their mom, 615 00:30:01,992 --> 00:30:04,960 Wanted to continue her party lifestyle, 616 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:09,973 And the two little girls were kind of in her way. 617 00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:13,552 The same relative was very helpful, pointed me to linda, 618 00:30:13,628 --> 00:30:14,928 Kathy's sister, 619 00:30:15,005 --> 00:30:17,931 And actually helped me get linda on the phone. 620 00:30:17,966 --> 00:30:20,901 [line ringing] 621 00:30:24,973 --> 00:30:27,232 - Hey linda, this is detective williams from oregon. 622 00:30:27,309 --> 00:30:30,068 How are you doing? 623 00:30:30,145 --> 00:30:31,611 - Good. 624 00:30:31,646 --> 00:30:33,154 - He said, "was your dad named leo?" 625 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:34,906 I said yes. 626 00:30:34,983 --> 00:30:37,167 "did you have a younger sister named kathy?" 627 00:30:37,244 --> 00:30:39,661 I said yes. 628 00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:44,916 He said that they had a woman tied in a tarp. 629 00:30:44,993 --> 00:30:48,595 He wanted to know if it could have been my sister. 630 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,595 My dad took off with her to oregon 631 00:30:56,671 --> 00:31:00,607 Once that sandy and I got adopted to the same family. 632 00:31:03,345 --> 00:31:07,188 And I didn't know what had happened to kathy. 633 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:09,783 She was just gone my whole life. 634 00:31:14,281 --> 00:31:19,659 - I know you've wondered for years, where's kathy? 635 00:31:19,694 --> 00:31:21,995 - She tells me sandra, her eldest sister, 636 00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:24,664 Is a nurse at a hospital in oklahoma. 637 00:31:24,741 --> 00:31:28,627 So I'm like, well, no one's seen kathy? 638 00:31:28,703 --> 00:31:30,211 That fits the puzzle. 639 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,547 Kathy is likely our doe, 640 00:31:32,558 --> 00:31:34,674 But we still need to confirm it. 641 00:31:34,709 --> 00:31:36,843 And I said, could we get a dna sample to see 642 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,897 If we're on the right track? 643 00:31:39,973 --> 00:31:42,724 - And I said, "yes, I'll do anything I can 644 00:31:42,735 --> 00:31:44,943 To find out if it was my sister or not." 645 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:51,617 - Yeah. 646 00:31:54,104 --> 00:31:56,821 - Well, will it also give you some kind of sense 647 00:31:56,898 --> 00:31:59,207 Of "now you know"? 648 00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:03,995 - That dna sample, 649 00:32:04,072 --> 00:32:06,840 That's gonna be the truth one way or another. 650 00:32:09,744 --> 00:32:12,712 [tense music] 651 00:32:12,747 --> 00:32:14,673 ♪ ♪ 652 00:32:14,749 --> 00:32:16,883 - After months of research, 653 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,760 My team and I have narrowed down 654 00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:21,888 Jane doe's genealogy to one family. 655 00:32:21,923 --> 00:32:25,651 We believe linda amsler may be her sister. 656 00:32:26,928 --> 00:32:30,355 We won't know for sure until we compare linda's dna 657 00:32:30,432 --> 00:32:32,232 To our victim's dna. 658 00:32:32,267 --> 00:32:35,118 [dramatic music] 659 00:32:35,195 --> 00:32:40,031 - She was just drinking and running around. 660 00:32:40,108 --> 00:32:41,616 - Never heard from her again. 661 00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:44,619 Didn't know the husband's name other than a nickname. 662 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:46,296 - I seen her one time. 663 00:32:46,373 --> 00:32:50,250 I stopped in this little bar there and she was there. 664 00:32:50,326 --> 00:32:52,961 - I know that linda needed to hear the truth, 665 00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:56,223 But it was very difficult to break the news to her. 666 00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:01,428 [light dramatic music] 667 00:33:01,463 --> 00:33:02,896 ♪ ♪ 668 00:33:07,468 --> 00:33:09,936 [light dramatic music] 669 00:33:10,013 --> 00:33:12,480 ♪ ♪ 670 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:16,493 - We sent linda's dna to dna solutions 671 00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:19,487 To have a compared with our victim, 672 00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,906 Our doe's dna. 673 00:33:21,983 --> 00:33:28,922 ♪ ♪ 674 00:33:31,326 --> 00:33:34,627 Now we know for sure who our jane doe is. 675 00:33:34,662 --> 00:33:36,805 It's linda's sister, kathy. 676 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,808 Now that we have the results, 677 00:33:48,843 --> 00:33:50,977 Detective williams and I are heading to oklahoma 678 00:33:51,054 --> 00:33:53,521 To break the news to linda in person. 679 00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:56,775 Hopefully, linda can lead us to who saw kathy last, 680 00:33:56,851 --> 00:33:59,244 And then ultimately to her killer. 681 00:34:08,696 --> 00:34:10,997 So linda, thank you for meeting us. 682 00:34:11,032 --> 00:34:13,541 I know from the first day that we called you 683 00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:14,642 And talked to you, this has been 684 00:34:14,644 --> 00:34:16,294 Kind of an emotional roller coaster for you. 685 00:34:16,371 --> 00:34:17,545 - Mm-hmm. 686 00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:19,339 - Thank you for working with us. 687 00:34:19,374 --> 00:34:21,716 I know getting a phone call out of the blue about your sister-- 688 00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:24,677 - Like you said, out of nowhere, too. 689 00:34:24,712 --> 00:34:26,638 - I know, and it was out of nowhere, 690 00:34:26,714 --> 00:34:28,973 And you did something very special. 691 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:31,351 You gave me your dna. 692 00:34:31,386 --> 00:34:33,686 I know that linda needed to hear the truth, 693 00:34:33,721 --> 00:34:36,740 But it was very difficult to break the news to her. 694 00:34:36,817 --> 00:34:40,285 So we do know, um... 695 00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,908 You are a match. You are her sister. 696 00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:48,576 - I knew it. 697 00:34:48,587 --> 00:34:51,746 [somber music] 698 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:54,040 ♪ ♪ 699 00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:55,875 - The dna definitely confirms 700 00:34:55,910 --> 00:35:00,338 That our person that we have is your biological sister. 701 00:35:00,415 --> 00:35:03,600 ♪ ♪ 702 00:35:03,677 --> 00:35:06,010 - I knew it was, in my heart. 703 00:35:06,087 --> 00:35:08,054 By looking at her picture. 704 00:35:08,131 --> 00:35:10,816 We all have this nose. 705 00:35:12,135 --> 00:35:15,353 I didn't really want it to be her. 706 00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:19,357 I wanted a family when I was young, so bad. 707 00:35:19,434 --> 00:35:23,578 And now to finally get it, but she's gone. 708 00:35:27,626 --> 00:35:30,001 And I'll never have my sister back. 709 00:35:34,657 --> 00:35:36,958 It would have been nice if we'd had a real family 710 00:35:36,969 --> 00:35:38,751 Like everybody else. 711 00:35:38,786 --> 00:35:41,471 - Tell me about your family. 712 00:35:41,548 --> 00:35:46,092 - Leo thomas was my dad. 713 00:35:46,127 --> 00:35:49,387 And jessie dodson was my mother, 714 00:35:49,464 --> 00:35:52,891 Thomas after they got married in 1949. 715 00:35:52,967 --> 00:35:54,559 - What about jessie? 716 00:35:54,636 --> 00:35:56,811 - She was just a cool mom, 717 00:35:56,822 --> 00:35:58,771 But she was alcoholic. 718 00:35:58,806 --> 00:36:02,483 - And tell me about leo. - He was funny. 719 00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:05,612 He was a little dude. - [laughs] 720 00:36:05,647 --> 00:36:07,488 - Everybody was scared of him. 721 00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,949 I remember, nobody messed with him. 722 00:36:09,984 --> 00:36:12,836 - Leo and jessie's marriage wasn't a happy one, 723 00:36:12,913 --> 00:36:16,122 And it got even worse after leo lost a limb in an accident. 724 00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,009 - And he had one arm, right? - Uh-huh, yes, he had one arm. 725 00:36:19,085 --> 00:36:22,128 What I was told is he was playing chicken 726 00:36:22,205 --> 00:36:24,589 On the railroad track. 727 00:36:24,666 --> 00:36:27,133 And I don't know if it's true or not. 728 00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:30,136 [gentle music] 729 00:36:30,213 --> 00:36:35,358 ♪ ♪ 730 00:36:35,435 --> 00:36:36,976 - I know that you guys were all separated 731 00:36:37,053 --> 00:36:38,519 When kathy was six. 732 00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:39,529 You would have been seven, right? 733 00:36:39,606 --> 00:36:40,855 - Mm-hmm. 734 00:36:40,866 --> 00:36:42,774 - Sandy would have been around eight? 735 00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:45,911 - Me and sandy's a year and 11 days apart. 736 00:36:48,114 --> 00:36:51,708 - Linda's story is kind of tragic. 737 00:36:51,785 --> 00:36:53,877 She had a rough childhood 738 00:36:53,954 --> 00:36:55,712 'cause, you know, her mom gave her away 739 00:36:55,789 --> 00:36:59,624 And she kept running away to go see her real mom. 740 00:36:59,701 --> 00:37:03,169 - I love my mom and I wanted to be with her. 741 00:37:03,204 --> 00:37:04,837 And that's all I knew. 742 00:37:04,914 --> 00:37:08,049 I mean, even though I was adopted to good people, 743 00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:10,843 There was something missing in my heart, 744 00:37:10,878 --> 00:37:13,396 And I wanted my mom. 745 00:37:13,473 --> 00:37:16,066 But why she got rid of all of us to begin with 746 00:37:16,142 --> 00:37:21,521 Is due to drinking and running around. 747 00:37:21,597 --> 00:37:25,575 She didn't want to be tied down to all of us kids. 748 00:37:25,652 --> 00:37:29,821 - Since their father leo took kathy to oregon in 1959, 749 00:37:29,897 --> 00:37:33,866 No one in oklahoma knew what happened to her. 750 00:37:33,901 --> 00:37:37,203 Then in 1977, when kathy turned 24 years old, 751 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,673 Linda finally heard from her sister. 752 00:37:42,669 --> 00:37:46,004 - She did come down here once when she was grown. 753 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,931 She was flaunting money. 754 00:37:48,008 --> 00:37:53,011 Kathy had left her husband, and his name was jug. 755 00:37:53,087 --> 00:37:56,856 And that's when she showed me pictures of the three babies. 756 00:37:59,802 --> 00:38:02,228 She just left her kids with him. 757 00:38:02,305 --> 00:38:04,772 - We always suspected that kathy was a mother, 758 00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:06,566 But now we have proof. 759 00:38:06,601 --> 00:38:11,112 - She said that she had three kids then. 760 00:38:11,123 --> 00:38:13,623 I couldn't imagine her having three 761 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,744 'cause I just had the one, but she did show me pictures. 762 00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:19,954 - Do you know how old the kids were in those pictures? 763 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,873 - They was young. 764 00:38:21,949 --> 00:38:25,043 - We know that she's a mother, so there must be 765 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,554 A family member out there looking for her. 766 00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:30,923 - For 23 years, 767 00:38:30,958 --> 00:38:33,718 I said to the people that I was working with, 768 00:38:33,795 --> 00:38:36,596 "somewhere out there there's somebody asking, 769 00:38:36,631 --> 00:38:38,139 'where's my mom?' 'where's my sister?' 770 00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:41,267 And that's who I want to get the answers for." 771 00:38:41,344 --> 00:38:42,643 - But it's amazing. 772 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:45,146 - This is better than I expected. 773 00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:47,815 - Now there's also the investigation of the homicide. 774 00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:49,150 - Mm-hmm. 775 00:38:49,161 --> 00:38:50,418 - That's something that's actively being worked. 776 00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:53,738 I can't really say anything until all of that happens. 777 00:38:53,815 --> 00:38:56,657 But we'll let you know how that goes. 778 00:38:56,668 --> 00:38:58,084 - Yeah. 779 00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:02,622 She's finally gonna get to rest. 780 00:39:02,698 --> 00:39:06,793 'cause nobody who she was. 781 00:39:06,869 --> 00:39:08,795 [gentle music] 782 00:39:08,830 --> 00:39:12,673 But today it was like she finally got some peace. 783 00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,801 ♪ ♪ 784 00:39:14,877 --> 00:39:17,762 - It was a very difficult conversation. 785 00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:19,180 But knowing the truth, 786 00:39:19,191 --> 00:39:21,808 Hopefully this will help linda heal. 787 00:39:21,843 --> 00:39:26,187 ♪ ♪ 788 00:39:26,198 --> 00:39:29,357 [tense music] 789 00:39:29,368 --> 00:39:32,110 ♪ ♪ 790 00:39:32,186 --> 00:39:34,153 - For me, this case is not over 791 00:39:34,188 --> 00:39:35,947 Until we can get some answers 792 00:39:36,023 --> 00:39:37,874 To find out who did this to kathy, 793 00:39:37,951 --> 00:39:39,992 And get those answers to linda and her family. 794 00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:42,328 The good news to me is I have a name, buxton. 795 00:39:42,363 --> 00:39:44,163 So why not, let's try and let's look 796 00:39:44,198 --> 00:39:47,291 For property owners in oregon. 797 00:39:47,368 --> 00:39:49,335 But then the team sends me 798 00:39:49,412 --> 00:39:53,339 A little, tiny newspaper article from 1966 799 00:39:53,416 --> 00:39:55,174 That listed the incident 800 00:39:55,209 --> 00:40:00,730 Where kathy's father leo and his buddy die in a car. 801 00:40:00,807 --> 00:40:03,349 Leo, him and a buddy get stuck in the mud. 802 00:40:03,384 --> 00:40:07,019 They leave the car running 'cause it's too cold outside, 803 00:40:07,054 --> 00:40:09,823 And they asphyxiate in the car. 804 00:40:12,152 --> 00:40:14,694 And as is common when people are mentioned 805 00:40:14,729 --> 00:40:16,195 In newspaper articles, 806 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:17,905 It lists the city that they're from. 807 00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:20,917 And next to leo's name was the words "oakland, oregon." 808 00:40:22,945 --> 00:40:26,038 And that was the first time we got a city in oregon 809 00:40:26,073 --> 00:40:28,633 Where he's supposedly from. 810 00:40:31,096 --> 00:40:33,596 I know oakland is a very small town. 811 00:40:33,673 --> 00:40:35,173 It's not like salem or portland 812 00:40:35,249 --> 00:40:37,383 Where you got hundreds of thousands of people. 813 00:40:37,418 --> 00:40:39,760 So pretty quick property search 814 00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:42,180 Of douglas county records for the name of "buxton," 815 00:40:42,256 --> 00:40:44,941 And up popped an older couple, so I gave them a call. 816 00:40:45,018 --> 00:40:46,943 He was more than helpful, but he was like 817 00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:49,395 "I'm sorry, I don't know the names you're throwing out." 818 00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:51,189 I was about to hang up with him and he said, 819 00:40:51,265 --> 00:40:53,274 "you know, people used to ask me when I moved here 820 00:40:53,285 --> 00:40:55,359 If I'm related to richard buxton," 821 00:40:55,436 --> 00:40:57,403 Who I guess has been around here forever. 822 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,955 So I called richard, 823 00:40:59,032 --> 00:41:01,073 I started to tell him a little bit about my case, 824 00:41:01,108 --> 00:41:02,792 And he interrupted me and he said, 825 00:41:02,869 --> 00:41:05,411 "is this about my adopted sister kathy?" 826 00:41:05,488 --> 00:41:08,456 [light dramatic music] 827 00:41:08,467 --> 00:41:09,883 ♪ ♪ 828 00:41:14,454 --> 00:41:16,923 [light dramatic music] 829 00:41:16,958 --> 00:41:19,926 ♪ ♪ 830 00:41:19,961 --> 00:41:23,638 - 23 years after our jane doe was murdered, 831 00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:26,933 We finally know her name is kathy thomas, 832 00:41:26,968 --> 00:41:29,652 Born in oklahoma. 833 00:41:29,729 --> 00:41:32,271 Kathy's father, leo, 834 00:41:32,348 --> 00:41:36,484 Took six-year-old kathy to oregon in 1959, 835 00:41:36,495 --> 00:41:40,330 And adopted her out to a family named buxton. 836 00:41:41,691 --> 00:41:44,325 - Kathy's adopted brother, richard, lives in oregon. 837 00:41:44,336 --> 00:41:45,952 We're on our way to see him to find out 838 00:41:46,028 --> 00:41:48,955 What he knows about kathy. 839 00:41:49,031 --> 00:41:51,457 Which I knew was a small town in oregon, 840 00:41:51,492 --> 00:41:55,586 So that caused me to search property records in oakland 841 00:41:55,663 --> 00:41:57,514 For someone named buxton, 842 00:41:57,590 --> 00:41:59,966 And I found an old couple who are in their 80s, 843 00:42:00,001 --> 00:42:01,801 And they didn't know anything about the names 844 00:42:01,836 --> 00:42:04,354 I was giving them, but right before I hung up, 845 00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,472 They said, "people used to always ask me, 846 00:42:06,507 --> 00:42:08,474 'are you related to richard buxton?'" 847 00:42:08,509 --> 00:42:10,643 - Right. - And so I thought, well, 848 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,688 Let's try to find richard, and I did find him. 849 00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:15,815 When I started talking to richard, 850 00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:17,534 Telling him a little bit about our case, 851 00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:19,527 And he interrupted me and said, 852 00:42:19,538 --> 00:42:22,321 "is this about my adopted sister kathy?" 853 00:42:22,398 --> 00:42:23,990 I was just speechless. 854 00:42:24,025 --> 00:42:25,875 You know, I'm like, here we are. 855 00:42:25,952 --> 00:42:27,785 I found somebody who knows kathy. 856 00:42:27,862 --> 00:42:29,996 He said, "well, her dad's name was leo. 857 00:42:30,031 --> 00:42:31,789 Her mom's name was jessie." 858 00:42:31,866 --> 00:42:33,716 I'm like, "oh, richard, you and I 859 00:42:33,793 --> 00:42:35,385 Are going to be doing a lot of talking, I think." 860 00:42:35,461 --> 00:42:36,569 - A lot of talking. 861 00:42:36,646 --> 00:42:39,714 We've just got such huge gaps in kathy's life, 862 00:42:39,724 --> 00:42:43,726 So it would be nice to fill in some of these blanks. 863 00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:52,944 There we go. 864 00:42:57,725 --> 00:43:00,618 - Hi, rick. Nice to meet you. - You too. 865 00:43:04,899 --> 00:43:07,658 - I think so. 866 00:43:07,735 --> 00:43:08,843 - Oh, sweet! 867 00:43:08,845 --> 00:43:11,588 - My wife dug out stuff out of an old cedar chest 868 00:43:11,664 --> 00:43:13,581 That I had ended up with. 869 00:43:13,592 --> 00:43:16,375 Didn't even know I had all this stuff. 870 00:43:16,452 --> 00:43:18,511 - Oh, my god, look how cute you guys look. 871 00:43:20,581 --> 00:43:21,781 Richard was six years old, 872 00:43:21,858 --> 00:43:25,727 The same age kathy was, when kathy arrived with leo. 873 00:43:27,088 --> 00:43:29,430 - There are some teenage ones in there. 874 00:43:29,441 --> 00:43:31,524 - Mm-hmm. - Probably junior high. 875 00:43:33,686 --> 00:43:36,613 - Richard's parents, ailene and orlin buxton, 876 00:43:36,689 --> 00:43:38,615 Owned several properties. 877 00:43:38,691 --> 00:43:43,903 One they rented to leo and kathy around 1960. 878 00:43:43,938 --> 00:43:48,699 - This is the house that her and leo stayed in 879 00:43:48,776 --> 00:43:50,618 When they came. 880 00:43:50,629 --> 00:43:51,961 They lived in this room up here. 881 00:43:54,824 --> 00:43:57,375 My mom had made all these into apartments, 882 00:43:57,451 --> 00:44:00,586 Little single room, and they stayed up there. 883 00:44:00,663 --> 00:44:02,922 - These are amazing. Why don't we do this? 884 00:44:02,998 --> 00:44:04,474 Why don't we take a drive 885 00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:06,809 Out to the house where you guys grew up? 886 00:44:06,886 --> 00:44:10,396 - Yeah. - We'll just follow you. 887 00:44:19,014 --> 00:44:21,649 - It's changed a lot, huh? - Okay. - Yep. 888 00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:22,950 This was your guys' house? 889 00:44:25,146 --> 00:44:27,655 - When you first met kathy, you were an only child, right? 890 00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:28,823 - Mm-hmm. 891 00:44:28,833 --> 00:44:31,617 - So what was it like having her around? 892 00:44:31,694 --> 00:44:33,670 - She'd come walking up every morning, 893 00:44:33,746 --> 00:44:35,621 My mom would let her come in and eat 894 00:44:35,698 --> 00:44:37,081 Because she never had anything. 895 00:44:37,158 --> 00:44:38,916 She didn't have any shoes. 896 00:44:38,993 --> 00:44:41,127 We had a heck of a time getting her to wear shoes. 897 00:44:41,162 --> 00:44:43,671 I can remember a story 898 00:44:43,682 --> 00:44:45,798 That her dad would go into a beer joint. 899 00:44:45,833 --> 00:44:47,425 Shouldn't have even took a kid in a beer joint, 900 00:44:47,501 --> 00:44:48,467 But you could back then. 901 00:44:48,502 --> 00:44:50,687 She could sing. 902 00:44:50,763 --> 00:44:54,807 And she would sing and pass the hat. 903 00:44:54,842 --> 00:44:56,142 - Maybe that's why he took her? 904 00:44:56,177 --> 00:44:58,144 He figured she could make money for them. 905 00:44:58,179 --> 00:45:00,521 - Oh, I think he'd just make food, is what I think, 906 00:45:00,532 --> 00:45:02,690 Or beer. 907 00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:04,701 - Horrible life for a kid. 908 00:45:04,777 --> 00:45:08,037 - Yeah. 909 00:45:08,114 --> 00:45:10,581 Her dad was a loser. 910 00:45:14,695 --> 00:45:16,996 - Richard's mother, ailene buxton, 911 00:45:17,031 --> 00:45:18,998 Took kathy under her wing 912 00:45:19,033 --> 00:45:22,168 And became a positive influence in her life. 913 00:45:22,203 --> 00:45:25,129 She even set up a bedroom inside their home for kathy, 914 00:45:25,206 --> 00:45:27,840 And bought her clothes. 915 00:45:27,875 --> 00:45:30,176 - She'd come up and never leave and-- 916 00:45:30,211 --> 00:45:32,887 [laughs] - became a permanent guest? 917 00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:35,055 - Did leo bring up the idea of the adoption or did your mom? 918 00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,733 - My mom. 919 00:45:36,809 --> 00:45:40,903 Leo left to go find work and never come back. 920 00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:43,189 And then he got in contact with my mom 921 00:45:43,265 --> 00:45:47,744 And he was up against it, and my mom sent him $5,000, 922 00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:49,820 Which was a lot of money in 1960. 923 00:45:49,897 --> 00:45:51,572 - Sure. - Yeah it was. 924 00:45:51,583 --> 00:45:54,000 - And he signed the adoption papers. 925 00:45:55,945 --> 00:45:59,005 - She became richard's adopted sister. 926 00:46:00,925 --> 00:46:03,167 - My mother wanted a daughter. 927 00:46:03,244 --> 00:46:04,752 They couldn't have any kids. 928 00:46:04,763 --> 00:46:07,922 They adopted me when I was, like, a newborn. 929 00:46:07,932 --> 00:46:11,217 - Growing up, kathy and richard lost their adopted dad 930 00:46:11,293 --> 00:46:12,769 To heart disease, 931 00:46:12,845 --> 00:46:15,930 But kathy became close to her new mom, ailene. 932 00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:20,768 Ten years later, in 1970, ailene became ill with cancer. 933 00:46:20,779 --> 00:46:23,946 It hit kathy particularly hard. 934 00:46:24,023 --> 00:46:26,949 [gentle music] 935 00:46:27,026 --> 00:46:28,526 ♪ ♪ 936 00:46:28,602 --> 00:46:32,071 So when kathy meets 18-year-old carl tracy, 937 00:46:32,147 --> 00:46:35,741 She was very vulnerable. 938 00:46:35,818 --> 00:46:39,620 Though kathy was only 16, she and carl tied the knot. 939 00:46:39,631 --> 00:46:41,798 Soon after, she was pregnant. 940 00:46:41,874 --> 00:46:44,801 They were both teenagers, so it was no shock 941 00:46:44,877 --> 00:46:46,928 That the relationship didn't last long. 942 00:46:49,215 --> 00:46:51,966 - They got married in August of '70. 943 00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:54,227 They got divorced in April of '71. 944 00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:00,817 And he left the state almost immediately 945 00:47:00,893 --> 00:47:02,652 And joined the navy. 946 00:47:02,728 --> 00:47:06,105 I don't know if carl paid child support. 947 00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:10,776 Hard to know what carl actually thought at the time. 948 00:47:10,853 --> 00:47:13,153 Carl's actions are certainly suspect. 949 00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:14,822 Perhaps he didn't want to be tied down 950 00:47:14,833 --> 00:47:16,833 With a child or child support. 951 00:47:23,198 --> 00:47:25,666 - Kathy gives birth to a daughter in July. 952 00:47:25,677 --> 00:47:29,795 She names her tina ailene, in honor of her sick mom. 953 00:47:29,830 --> 00:47:32,798 [gentle music] 954 00:47:32,833 --> 00:47:39,772 ♪ ♪ 955 00:47:40,859 --> 00:47:42,766 Really, the only people that truly cared 956 00:47:42,843 --> 00:47:44,310 About her was your mom, 957 00:47:44,345 --> 00:47:46,979 And then she lost her at such a young, vulnerable age. 958 00:47:47,014 --> 00:47:49,189 - Her security blanket was gone. 959 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,700 - Yeah. 960 00:47:50,776 --> 00:47:53,319 In her will, ailene left a large estate 961 00:47:53,395 --> 00:47:58,782 To richard and kathy to split when they turned 25. 962 00:47:58,859 --> 00:48:00,877 - A couple years later, she was broke 963 00:48:00,953 --> 00:48:04,288 And wanted to sell her part of the escrow that we'd set up. 964 00:48:04,365 --> 00:48:06,165 And I tried to talk her out of it. 965 00:48:06,241 --> 00:48:07,333 If she would have kept it, 966 00:48:07,368 --> 00:48:11,170 It would have amounted to $360,000. 967 00:48:11,205 --> 00:48:14,965 She would have had $1,000 a month coming for 30 years. 968 00:48:15,042 --> 00:48:17,676 - Starting when you were 25. - Yes. 969 00:48:17,711 --> 00:48:20,179 I mean, that don't sound like much now, but it was then. 970 00:48:20,214 --> 00:48:23,566 - She just wanted the money. - She wanted out. 971 00:48:24,736 --> 00:48:27,978 She sold me her part of the escrow. 972 00:48:28,055 --> 00:48:30,648 It was a bad choice. Very bad choice. 973 00:48:30,724 --> 00:48:32,358 - Very bad choice, versus hanging onto it. 974 00:48:32,393 --> 00:48:33,359 - Yeah. 975 00:48:33,394 --> 00:48:36,362 [somber music] 976 00:48:36,397 --> 00:48:41,200 ♪ ♪ 977 00:48:41,235 --> 00:48:43,252 - Tina's entitled to kathy's share of that. 978 00:48:43,329 --> 00:48:45,871 - Yeah. - And I still got it. 979 00:48:45,906 --> 00:48:47,831 - And your mom, I'm sure, would feel the same way. 980 00:48:47,908 --> 00:48:52,086 - Yeah, but I'm afraid tina ain't with us. 981 00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,088 I don't know who told me that, 982 00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:56,382 But somebody said that that tina had passed away. 983 00:48:56,458 --> 00:49:03,097 ♪ ♪ 984 00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:07,017 - Richard told us that kathy's daughter tina died. 985 00:49:07,094 --> 00:49:10,321 But we have to find out if that's true. 986 00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:14,951 But a search for tina ailene comes up empty. 987 00:49:15,027 --> 00:49:17,236 So we need to track down carl tracy, 988 00:49:17,312 --> 00:49:20,289 Kathy's ex-husband, tina's father. 989 00:49:20,366 --> 00:49:22,866 Does he know anything about kathy's murder? 990 00:49:22,943 --> 00:49:25,703 Spouses, whether they are still married or not, 991 00:49:25,779 --> 00:49:29,298 Are always potential suspects. 992 00:49:29,375 --> 00:49:33,135 - We're trying to find out more information about her. 993 00:49:42,388 --> 00:49:44,430 - Why do you doubt that they got divorced? 994 00:49:47,468 --> 00:49:50,436 [light dramatic music] 995 00:49:50,471 --> 00:49:52,029 ♪ ♪ 996 00:49:56,343 --> 00:49:59,778 [light dramatic music] 997 00:49:59,813 --> 00:50:02,781 [tense music] 998 00:50:02,816 --> 00:50:07,745 ♪ ♪ 999 00:50:07,821 --> 00:50:11,582 - In oregon, kathy's adopted brother, richard buxton, 1000 00:50:11,658 --> 00:50:13,917 Told us that kathy had given birth 1001 00:50:13,994 --> 00:50:18,431 To a daughter named tina ailene when she was 17 years old. 1002 00:50:20,834 --> 00:50:24,136 Richard also revealed that kathy had married 1003 00:50:24,171 --> 00:50:26,472 And divorced the father, carl tracy. 1004 00:50:26,507 --> 00:50:29,266 We have to find out if carl knows anything 1005 00:50:29,343 --> 00:50:32,153 About his ex-wife's murder, but first we have to find him. 1006 00:50:33,531 --> 00:50:37,691 - The records I found show that he lived in the las vegas area. 1007 00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:40,786 [line ringing] 1008 00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:46,450 - Hey, is this carl tracy? 1009 00:50:46,527 --> 00:50:47,634 My name's john williams, I'm a detective 1010 00:50:47,636 --> 00:50:51,789 With the polk county sheriff's office up in oregon. 1011 00:50:51,865 --> 00:50:53,791 Wanted to know if you might have a few minutes 1012 00:50:53,867 --> 00:50:55,793 I could talk to you about kathy, 1013 00:50:55,869 --> 00:50:57,803 Who you were married to years ago? 1014 00:51:00,374 --> 00:51:01,840 - The information I've been able to find 1015 00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:04,176 Was that she had a girl with you, 1016 00:51:04,211 --> 00:51:06,178 And I think her name was tina, 1017 00:51:06,213 --> 00:51:09,848 But we've not been able to find any information about tina. 1018 00:51:09,883 --> 00:51:12,276 We were hoping that she might have-- 1019 00:51:17,391 --> 00:51:19,742 - Okay. 1020 00:51:19,819 --> 00:51:21,485 This might actually be true, 1021 00:51:21,562 --> 00:51:23,862 'cause kathy has family out in oklahoma. 1022 00:51:23,897 --> 00:51:26,740 So I felt this was the time now I could reveal to carl 1023 00:51:26,751 --> 00:51:27,866 A little more about kathy. 1024 00:51:27,901 --> 00:51:30,494 Kathy is deceased, 1025 00:51:30,571 --> 00:51:32,838 And we're trying to find out what happened to her. 1026 00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:40,221 - Did you ever see her after you guys got divorced? 1027 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,652 - Did you see her with somebody or not at all? 1028 00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:02,234 - When carl said the name jug gardner, 1029 00:52:02,269 --> 00:52:05,529 That immediately rang a bell. 1030 00:52:05,606 --> 00:52:08,740 Linda told me that when kathy came out for that visit, 1031 00:52:08,817 --> 00:52:10,868 That her husband's name was jug. 1032 00:52:10,944 --> 00:52:12,870 Did you ever hear that she got married to him 1033 00:52:12,946 --> 00:52:14,880 After she got married to you? 1034 00:52:16,491 --> 00:52:17,916 - Yeah. 1035 00:52:17,993 --> 00:52:20,761 - Okay. 1036 00:52:25,334 --> 00:52:26,884 - Okay. 1037 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,720 - Well, thank you, carl. 1038 00:52:29,796 --> 00:52:32,764 - Detective williams finds no evidence linking carl tracy 1039 00:52:32,799 --> 00:52:34,766 To his ex-wife's murder. 1040 00:52:34,843 --> 00:52:36,768 - When carl and kathy got divorced, 1041 00:52:36,803 --> 00:52:39,605 He joined the navy and then once he got out of the navy, 1042 00:52:39,681 --> 00:52:42,399 He's been living in nevada, and have been for decades. 1043 00:52:42,476 --> 00:52:45,277 There was no evidence that carl was in oregon 1044 00:52:45,354 --> 00:52:47,946 At the time kathy was killed. 1045 00:52:47,981 --> 00:52:50,499 - Now, we need to find out what we can 1046 00:52:50,576 --> 00:52:53,285 About james gardner, nicknamed jug. 1047 00:52:53,362 --> 00:52:56,505 Is he still possibly in the area? 1048 00:52:57,917 --> 00:53:00,584 - We looked at birth records, marriage records, 1049 00:53:00,661 --> 00:53:03,420 Employment records, 1050 00:53:03,497 --> 00:53:06,432 And james "jug" gardner was a laborer. 1051 00:53:07,927 --> 00:53:10,636 And what was interesting, he rented an apartment 1052 00:53:10,671 --> 00:53:12,763 In the same building that kathy lived in, 1053 00:53:12,839 --> 00:53:15,766 And they must have hit it off. 1054 00:53:15,842 --> 00:53:18,101 - At the time, kathy was all alone. 1055 00:53:18,178 --> 00:53:20,520 She never had any close friends, 1056 00:53:20,531 --> 00:53:22,981 Probably stemming from being abandoned 1057 00:53:23,016 --> 00:53:24,816 By her biological parents. 1058 00:53:24,893 --> 00:53:28,654 Just 18 years old and with an infant daughter to raise, 1059 00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:32,541 Kathy turns to jug for support. 1060 00:53:32,618 --> 00:53:36,545 According to court records, the couple marry in December, 1061 00:53:36,622 --> 00:53:39,381 Two months after her mother's death. 1062 00:53:41,034 --> 00:53:44,336 Birth certificates reveal that in 1973, 1063 00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:48,966 Kathy gave birth to her second child, james, jr., 1064 00:53:49,042 --> 00:53:53,412 And then her third child, candice, in 1974. 1065 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,643 Kathy and james gardner had split up. 1066 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,728 We need to find husband number two. 1067 00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:03,730 He might know something more 1068 00:54:03,741 --> 00:54:07,785 About where kathy was the night she was killed. 1069 00:54:09,062 --> 00:54:10,988 - James gardner, second husband, 1070 00:54:11,064 --> 00:54:13,365 Had a lot of addresses in his history. 1071 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,585 A lot of phone numbers. They were all disconnected. 1072 00:54:16,662 --> 00:54:18,537 I was lucky enough to reach his sister. 1073 00:54:18,613 --> 00:54:20,422 She was not close to james. 1074 00:54:20,499 --> 00:54:22,416 She said, "I don't really know where he's at, 1075 00:54:22,426 --> 00:54:25,585 But he's in sutherland somewhere." 1076 00:54:25,596 --> 00:54:28,588 [suspenseful music] 1077 00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:35,604 ♪ ♪ 1078 00:54:42,929 --> 00:54:44,938 So it's this side of the street. 1079 00:54:44,949 --> 00:54:46,898 It's probably that blue house right there. 1080 00:54:46,933 --> 00:54:49,860 There's a lady. I'm gonna go talk to her. 1081 00:54:49,936 --> 00:54:51,453 - You go knock on the door, 1082 00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:54,031 And I can listen in the car what's going on. 1083 00:54:54,107 --> 00:54:57,075 - Hi there! 1084 00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:58,869 I work for the polk county sheriff's office 1085 00:54:58,945 --> 00:55:01,038 Up in the salem area. 1086 00:55:01,114 --> 00:55:04,207 I was trying to find a guy named james gardner. 1087 00:55:04,284 --> 00:55:07,210 Does he live here? 1088 00:55:07,287 --> 00:55:09,713 - Well, he's not in trouble. 1089 00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:11,724 He's my I.D. 1090 00:55:13,126 --> 00:55:15,552 - I'm in the car watching and listening, 1091 00:55:15,629 --> 00:55:18,480 I'm not sure who the woman is, maybe james' wife, 1092 00:55:18,557 --> 00:55:21,600 But I hope she can convince him to come out and talk. 1093 00:55:21,676 --> 00:55:23,769 - Hey, are you james? 1094 00:55:23,804 --> 00:55:26,572 - My name's john williams. 1095 00:55:28,809 --> 00:55:32,411 - Kathy's been missing for about 23 years, since '96. 1096 00:55:33,664 --> 00:55:37,416 - And we're trying to find out more information about her. 1097 00:55:47,828 --> 00:55:51,254 - I've got a helper helping me with this investigation. 1098 00:55:51,331 --> 00:55:54,725 Do you mind if she walks over and joins in the conversation? 1099 00:55:59,172 --> 00:56:01,932 - James, this is yolanda. - Hi. 1100 00:56:02,008 --> 00:56:03,141 - Without mentioning that kathy was dead, 1101 00:56:03,176 --> 00:56:05,143 We asked james about their relationship. 1102 00:56:05,178 --> 00:56:07,646 - When you guys got married, 1103 00:56:07,722 --> 00:56:10,816 I think it was like in '71, 1104 00:56:10,851 --> 00:56:12,826 Did she have a kid? 1105 00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:16,038 - My understanding is that you guys 1106 00:56:16,115 --> 00:56:18,665 Had two kids together. 1107 00:56:21,194 --> 00:56:23,045 - What happened with the kids 1108 00:56:23,122 --> 00:56:25,589 When you got divorced from kathy? 1109 00:56:39,379 --> 00:56:40,679 - Okay. 1110 00:56:40,714 --> 00:56:43,807 James was told by oklahoma child welfare 1111 00:56:43,884 --> 00:56:46,059 That kathy had the kids removed from her 1112 00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:48,979 Because she would leave them alone, unattended. 1113 00:56:49,055 --> 00:56:51,064 And at the time, they would have been five, 1114 00:56:51,075 --> 00:56:52,732 Six, seven years old. 1115 00:56:52,743 --> 00:56:55,068 And all three got put into foster care? 1116 00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,162 - And they were adopted out? 1117 00:56:58,582 --> 00:57:00,907 - It sounds like history is repeating itself. 1118 00:57:00,918 --> 00:57:02,701 Kathy and her biological sisters 1119 00:57:02,736 --> 00:57:04,327 Were separated from their parents 1120 00:57:04,404 --> 00:57:08,331 When they were about the same age as kathy's kids. 1121 00:57:08,408 --> 00:57:12,210 I'm not a therapist, but I can see how kathy's troubled past 1122 00:57:12,245 --> 00:57:15,172 Affected her ability to have a normal relationship, 1123 00:57:15,248 --> 00:57:18,175 Or to parent three small children. 1124 00:57:18,251 --> 00:57:22,179 James may have been upset with kathy for losing his kids, 1125 00:57:22,255 --> 00:57:23,847 But that's not all. 1126 00:57:23,924 --> 00:57:25,765 Money may have also played a part. 1127 00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:28,944 Kathy was due to inherit a fortune when she turned 25. 1128 00:57:29,021 --> 00:57:30,687 In my book, 1129 00:57:30,764 --> 00:57:33,773 That's a strong motivation if they were still married. 1130 00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:37,870 - Did she ever receive any kind of inheritance from her mom? 1131 00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:48,246 - But you didn't see any of that 1132 00:57:48,281 --> 00:57:50,048 When you are married to kathy? 1133 00:57:52,136 --> 00:57:53,886 - Okay. 1134 00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:03,887 - James gardner last saw kathy years before her death. 1135 00:58:03,964 --> 00:58:06,648 And he was living in southern oregon, 1136 00:58:06,725 --> 00:58:08,725 And there's really nothing to show 1137 00:58:08,802 --> 00:58:11,570 That he had anything to do with her death. 1138 00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:20,078 - Whatever happened with tina? 1139 00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:23,240 - I'm not sure on that. 1140 00:58:23,316 --> 00:58:26,084 - Do you still have contact with james and candy? 1141 00:58:28,363 --> 00:58:30,288 - Okay. - All right. 1142 00:58:30,365 --> 00:58:31,831 - Well... 1143 00:58:31,842 --> 00:58:34,668 - No, you gave us some information we didn't have, 1144 00:58:34,678 --> 00:58:36,678 So we appreciate it. 1145 00:58:36,755 --> 00:58:39,839 - Candice and james found their biological father. 1146 00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:43,426 Could they have reconnected with kathy before her death? 1147 00:58:43,503 --> 00:58:45,020 We've got to find them. 1148 00:58:45,097 --> 00:58:47,689 - Uncle billy who told us that those kids may still 1149 00:58:47,766 --> 00:58:50,308 Be living in oklahoma, and sure enough, 1150 00:58:50,343 --> 00:58:53,937 I found a number for candice thomas in tulsa. 1151 00:58:54,014 --> 00:58:56,106 I've been wanting to call her, but I really don't have 1152 00:58:56,182 --> 00:58:58,275 The heart to break the news over the telephone 1153 00:58:58,351 --> 00:59:00,318 That her mother passed away. 1154 00:59:00,395 --> 00:59:03,321 [tense music] 1155 00:59:03,398 --> 00:59:10,379 ♪ ♪ 1156 00:59:12,532 --> 00:59:14,291 Hi candy, my name's john williams. 1157 00:59:14,367 --> 00:59:16,459 I'm a detective with the polk county sheriff's office 1158 00:59:16,536 --> 00:59:17,836 Up in oregon. 1159 00:59:17,871 --> 00:59:19,054 How are you doing? 1160 00:59:19,131 --> 00:59:20,463 - The reason I'm calling 1161 00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:24,134 Is I've had a case for about 23 years, 1162 00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,646 And we've determined that it involves your mother, kathy. 1163 00:59:38,433 --> 00:59:41,359 [light dramatic music] 1164 00:59:41,394 --> 00:59:42,995 ♪ ♪ 1165 00:59:46,324 --> 00:59:48,867 [light dramatic music] 1166 00:59:48,902 --> 00:59:49,868 ♪ ♪ 1167 00:59:49,903 --> 00:59:53,705 [gentle music] 1168 00:59:53,782 --> 00:59:57,208 - For the past 11 months, detective williams and I 1169 00:59:57,285 --> 01:00:00,587 Have been trying to track down what happened to kathy thomas 1170 01:00:00,598 --> 01:00:04,507 And if her first child, tina, is still alive. 1171 01:00:04,584 --> 01:00:09,888 We located her youngest child, candice thomas, in oklahoma, 1172 01:00:09,923 --> 01:00:12,190 To find out what she might know. 1173 01:00:42,806 --> 01:00:44,798 - This was such an incredible moment 1174 01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:47,258 For detective williams and I. 1175 01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:50,646 Everyone thought that something possibly happened to tina, 1176 01:00:50,722 --> 01:00:53,765 And now both of us couldn't be more excited to know 1177 01:00:53,842 --> 01:00:55,642 That tina's here and well. 1178 01:00:55,653 --> 01:00:58,645 [uneasy music] 1179 01:00:58,656 --> 01:01:03,566 ♪ ♪ 1180 01:01:03,643 --> 01:01:06,277 Well, I am hoping that candy is still in touch with tina. 1181 01:01:06,312 --> 01:01:08,613 - Yeah. 1182 01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:11,324 - It's just gonna be an emotional moment. 1183 01:01:11,335 --> 01:01:13,493 'cause for the first time, you are going to hear 1184 01:01:13,504 --> 01:01:17,831 That your mother was murdered 23 years ago. 1185 01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:20,417 - It's a death notification, it really is. 1186 01:01:20,493 --> 01:01:21,510 - Mm-hmm. 1187 01:01:21,586 --> 01:01:24,471 - I've done a few of those, and they're not pleasant. 1188 01:01:27,759 --> 01:01:31,636 - This should be five and maybe the next one is seven. 1189 01:01:31,713 --> 01:01:34,806 All right, here we go. 1190 01:01:34,883 --> 01:01:38,527 [dog barking distantly] 1191 01:01:38,603 --> 01:01:40,570 [knocking on door] 1192 01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:45,442 - Hi. Are you candy? - Yep. 1193 01:01:45,518 --> 01:01:46,860 Candice is what I go by. Both: Candice. 1194 01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:48,445 - Candice. - All right. John williams. 1195 01:01:48,521 --> 01:01:50,530 - Nice to meet you. - Hi, yolanda mcclary. 1196 01:01:50,541 --> 01:01:51,656 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 1197 01:01:51,691 --> 01:01:52,824 Well, thank you for seeing us. 1198 01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:55,794 [gentle music] 1199 01:02:07,373 --> 01:02:09,307 [candice sighs] 1200 01:02:17,568 --> 01:02:23,897 - The only memories that I have was from the foster home on. 1201 01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:27,859 I have no visual memories 1202 01:02:27,894 --> 01:02:29,861 Of james or kathy at all. 1203 01:02:29,896 --> 01:02:32,363 My mom and dad kept all the details from us. 1204 01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,032 Everybody knew but us, which, I mean, 1205 01:02:34,108 --> 01:02:36,334 You're not gonna tell kids, you know, what happened. 1206 01:02:38,446 --> 01:02:39,871 - Were you adopted together, all of you? 1207 01:02:39,948 --> 01:02:41,873 - James and I were adopted together. 1208 01:02:41,908 --> 01:02:43,374 - Okay. 1209 01:02:43,451 --> 01:02:45,877 - Tina was adopted one month before we were. 1210 01:02:45,954 --> 01:02:49,714 I can't tell you how we ended split up. 1211 01:02:49,791 --> 01:02:53,593 I can't tell you why tina ended up somewhere else. 1212 01:02:53,604 --> 01:02:57,430 I just know that she did. 1213 01:02:57,441 --> 01:03:00,892 I just know that she wasn't with me anymore. 1214 01:03:00,969 --> 01:03:03,394 We saw each other off and on for a couple years, 1215 01:03:03,471 --> 01:03:04,729 And then we grew apart. 1216 01:03:04,806 --> 01:03:06,898 There was just, I don't know, 1217 01:03:06,975 --> 01:03:10,860 A lot of outside factors that kept us apart, I think. 1218 01:03:10,937 --> 01:03:14,447 It's just, um-- 1219 01:03:14,458 --> 01:03:16,407 It's just really, really hard 1220 01:03:16,484 --> 01:03:21,079 Because we're all so scarred, and we're all so hurt. 1221 01:03:21,155 --> 01:03:26,876 And we haven't known anything, I mean, anything at all. 1222 01:03:26,953 --> 01:03:29,963 So we've just walked around with a lot of hatred and anger 1223 01:03:29,973 --> 01:03:31,798 For many, many years. 1224 01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:35,811 I just knew that I was angry and I wanted to find her, 1225 01:03:35,887 --> 01:03:38,930 And I wanted to tell her off, and I wanted questions, 1226 01:03:39,007 --> 01:03:42,767 I wanted to know why. 1227 01:03:42,844 --> 01:03:44,394 And unfortunately, you know, 1228 01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:45,937 I'm never gonna get that answer. 1229 01:03:46,014 --> 01:03:48,898 I'm never gonna be able to ask her, "why?" 1230 01:03:48,975 --> 01:03:53,319 Why she did the things she did. It's just not gonna happen. 1231 01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:55,446 My mom was young. 1232 01:03:55,523 --> 01:03:58,658 You know, she had a rough life. 1233 01:03:58,669 --> 01:04:02,453 It's very understandable that my mom would make mistakes 1234 01:04:02,488 --> 01:04:04,497 And that she needed support. 1235 01:04:04,508 --> 01:04:06,457 And then it finally dawned on me that, you know, 1236 01:04:06,492 --> 01:04:10,587 My mom was the victim and not the perpetrator in that crime, 1237 01:04:10,663 --> 01:04:13,423 And so it changed things quite a bit. 1238 01:04:13,499 --> 01:04:17,760 It completely-- it changed things. 1239 01:04:17,837 --> 01:04:20,138 - But what's important is, it's not your fault, 1240 01:04:20,173 --> 01:04:21,639 What happened to you. 1241 01:04:21,716 --> 01:04:24,142 It's not tina's fault, and it's not james' fault. 1242 01:04:24,218 --> 01:04:28,646 I mean, you were kind of the victims of kathy's 1243 01:04:28,723 --> 01:04:30,607 Not able to take care of you. 1244 01:04:30,683 --> 01:04:33,860 So maybe something good that can come out of this 1245 01:04:33,871 --> 01:04:37,706 Is you guys can put aside whatever it was 1246 01:04:37,782 --> 01:04:42,493 And reconnect and stay connected and, you know. 1247 01:04:42,528 --> 01:04:43,828 - And I think we will. 1248 01:04:43,905 --> 01:04:47,549 We slowly are, and this'll help get some closure 1249 01:04:47,626 --> 01:04:49,792 To maybe start healing a little bit. 1250 01:04:49,869 --> 01:04:52,795 [somber music] 1251 01:04:52,872 --> 01:04:59,728 ♪ ♪ 1252 01:04:59,804 --> 01:05:05,016 I know, but they've got a lot of information. 1253 01:05:05,093 --> 01:05:08,186 I mean, I found out a lot. 1254 01:05:08,221 --> 01:05:11,064 And they would like to talk to you. 1255 01:05:11,074 --> 01:05:13,825 I mean... 1256 01:05:16,729 --> 01:05:18,580 Would you like-- would you want to-- 1257 01:05:18,657 --> 01:05:20,749 - Yeah, why don't you talk to her. 1258 01:05:20,825 --> 01:05:23,868 Ah. 1259 01:05:23,903 --> 01:05:27,914 - Hi tina. My name's john williams. 1260 01:05:27,925 --> 01:05:32,877 - I've been working this case for over six years, 1261 01:05:32,954 --> 01:05:35,046 And then yolanda and her team 1262 01:05:35,123 --> 01:05:39,550 Started to assist me in doing genealogical dna testing, 1263 01:05:39,585 --> 01:05:41,761 And we were able to finally determine 1264 01:05:41,772 --> 01:05:43,096 Just a couple months ago 1265 01:05:43,106 --> 01:05:47,525 That it was in fact kathy, your mom. 1266 01:05:50,021 --> 01:05:51,562 - I wish we could've provided 1267 01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,732 This info to you and candice years ago, 1268 01:05:54,809 --> 01:05:58,236 But unfortunately it finally took till technology 1269 01:05:58,312 --> 01:06:02,740 Kind of caught up with these kind of cases. 1270 01:06:02,817 --> 01:06:09,455 - Yeah. 1271 01:06:09,466 --> 01:06:12,425 - Tell me the last thing you remember. 1272 01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:29,600 - I can only tell you some of the things that we found. 1273 01:06:29,677 --> 01:06:35,940 So you have an aunt sandy and an aunt linda. 1274 01:06:35,975 --> 01:06:39,110 Linda, your aunt, would love to talk to you. 1275 01:06:39,187 --> 01:06:43,823 - I had no idea about my aunt. 1276 01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:46,284 No clue. I did know that some of-- 1277 01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,911 That we had some family members in okemah. 1278 01:06:48,988 --> 01:06:53,842 And obviously I'm amazed, I'm in shock. 1279 01:06:53,918 --> 01:06:54,917 I'm excited. 1280 01:06:54,994 --> 01:06:58,129 - We're going to meet with your aunt tomorrow. 1281 01:06:58,206 --> 01:07:00,974 - Got some family members who would love to meet you. 1282 01:07:04,688 --> 01:07:07,638 - We appreciate you talking to us. 1283 01:07:07,673 --> 01:07:09,974 - So-- 1284 01:07:10,051 --> 01:07:11,309 - Thanks, tina. Have a good night. 1285 01:07:11,344 --> 01:07:14,029 - Thanks tina. 1286 01:07:14,105 --> 01:07:15,855 - Give me a hug. - Oh. 1287 01:07:15,866 --> 01:07:16,939 - Gosh. 1288 01:07:17,016 --> 01:07:20,359 You have a lot to sink in, but it'll be all right. 1289 01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:23,038 Well, thank you guys. - I hope I see you tomorrow. 1290 01:07:31,906 --> 01:07:34,165 - I said many times over the years, 1291 01:07:34,242 --> 01:07:36,334 Somewhere out there, there's somebody, 1292 01:07:36,369 --> 01:07:40,171 And this is better than I expected, 1293 01:07:40,248 --> 01:07:43,049 To be able to actually meet kathy's relatives 1294 01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:46,010 And give them the information that they've been looking for. 1295 01:07:46,045 --> 01:07:48,679 'cause you were all adopted, - mm-hmm. 1296 01:07:48,756 --> 01:07:51,974 - And then kathy's kids were adopted. 1297 01:07:52,051 --> 01:07:53,226 - They were adopt-- - oh, really? 1298 01:07:53,236 --> 01:07:55,186 - Yeah, they were adopted too. 1299 01:07:55,221 --> 01:07:56,687 - Ooh. 1300 01:07:56,722 --> 01:07:58,648 - Yeah, all three of them were adopted. 1301 01:07:58,724 --> 01:08:01,150 - Oh, here we go again. 1302 01:08:01,227 --> 01:08:03,194 - I'll be right back. 1303 01:08:03,271 --> 01:08:07,874 - I mean, it just screws up the family so bad. 1304 01:08:13,406 --> 01:08:17,708 - Linda, I want to introduce you to your nieces. 1305 01:08:17,743 --> 01:08:19,377 - Oh, my god! 1306 01:08:19,412 --> 01:08:22,380 [light dramatic music] 1307 01:08:22,415 --> 01:08:23,765 ♪ ♪ 1308 01:08:28,287 --> 01:08:30,772 [light dramatic music] 1309 01:08:30,849 --> 01:08:31,773 ♪ ♪ 1310 01:08:31,850 --> 01:08:33,608 [gentle music] 1311 01:08:33,685 --> 01:08:37,770 - Linda, I want to introduce you to your nieces. 1312 01:08:37,781 --> 01:08:40,439 - Oh, my god! - This is candice. 1313 01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:42,608 - Are you serious? - And that's tina. 1314 01:08:42,619 --> 01:08:44,610 - Oh, my god! 1315 01:08:44,621 --> 01:08:47,446 Oh, man. 1316 01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:51,617 That's all I've ever wanted. 1317 01:08:51,628 --> 01:08:54,579 It's amazing. 1318 01:08:54,655 --> 01:08:59,542 And I got to say, you look like your mother. 1319 01:08:59,619 --> 01:09:02,086 You know it? - No. 1320 01:09:02,163 --> 01:09:07,383 - You do. You look like your mother. 1321 01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:11,062 - It's still very shocking. 1322 01:09:13,633 --> 01:09:15,433 - That's all I've ever wanted. 1323 01:09:15,509 --> 01:09:18,319 Almost like an out-of-body experience for me. 1324 01:09:18,396 --> 01:09:21,156 Many, many years I've always wondered, 1325 01:09:21,232 --> 01:09:24,409 I've always thought to myself, if only I knew. 1326 01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:32,250 - If only I had something to fill in those blanks. 1327 01:09:36,414 --> 01:09:38,840 - All of a sudden, it was right there in my lap. 1328 01:09:38,917 --> 01:09:42,460 [light music] 1329 01:09:42,536 --> 01:09:45,129 I could remember her holding me. 1330 01:09:45,164 --> 01:09:51,186 I have this vision and these little flashes of her face. 1331 01:09:51,262 --> 01:09:54,189 There was obviously some negligence, 1332 01:09:54,265 --> 01:09:57,141 There was intervention by the state of oklahoma 1333 01:09:57,218 --> 01:09:59,435 At some point. 1334 01:09:59,512 --> 01:10:03,689 And we were taken and placed in foster care. 1335 01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:06,651 And I remember crying. 1336 01:10:06,686 --> 01:10:09,654 I was just holding this little bag and I was, 1337 01:10:09,689 --> 01:10:12,749 "I want to go with you, mommy. I want to go!" 1338 01:10:14,902 --> 01:10:16,327 - You see, these-- 1339 01:10:16,404 --> 01:10:19,705 This was the first time I've ever seen her. 1340 01:10:19,716 --> 01:10:22,208 When I saw these pictures, it was the first time 1341 01:10:22,219 --> 01:10:26,170 I've ever had a visual of her. 1342 01:10:26,247 --> 01:10:27,713 You know, I didn't even know 1343 01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:29,715 What to picture for her to look like. 1344 01:10:29,726 --> 01:10:33,469 I had no image to go by or anything like that. 1345 01:10:33,546 --> 01:10:36,555 I just knew that I wanted to find her. 1346 01:10:36,566 --> 01:10:40,226 - It breaks my heart because part of me is angry 1347 01:10:40,237 --> 01:10:42,645 And part of me is heartbroken 1348 01:10:42,722 --> 01:10:46,324 Because of the circumstances and how she died. 1349 01:10:48,394 --> 01:10:50,319 She was alone. 1350 01:10:50,396 --> 01:10:52,363 - And she suffered. 1351 01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:55,250 - And she obviously suffered quite a bit. 1352 01:10:56,235 --> 01:10:58,536 She is at peace. 1353 01:10:58,571 --> 01:11:02,540 Maybe this is her reaching back out and helping us 1354 01:11:02,616 --> 01:11:05,802 Get to some kind of closure. - Mm-hmm. 1355 01:11:08,006 --> 01:11:10,431 [dramatic music] 1356 01:11:10,508 --> 01:11:13,926 [engine rumbles] 1357 01:11:13,937 --> 01:11:16,771 - Now that we identified kathy and found her children, 1358 01:11:16,848 --> 01:11:20,275 This was not the end for me or detective williams. 1359 01:11:20,351 --> 01:11:23,394 ♪ ♪ 1360 01:11:23,471 --> 01:11:26,355 It looks like the same year that tina, candice, 1361 01:11:26,432 --> 01:11:30,776 And james jr. Were adopted, kathy had moved to portland. 1362 01:11:30,787 --> 01:11:32,778 Perhaps she was trying to start over 1363 01:11:32,789 --> 01:11:36,574 After two bad relationships and sad memories. 1364 01:11:36,650 --> 01:11:40,369 Here, people wouldn't know her past. 1365 01:11:40,446 --> 01:11:43,372 So then what happens? 1366 01:11:43,449 --> 01:11:47,710 - So we do know that in 1984 she meets another guy. 1367 01:11:47,787 --> 01:11:49,804 His name is brian clifton, 1368 01:11:49,881 --> 01:11:51,973 And he's from the portland area. 1369 01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:55,384 He's got parents, a brother, maybe a sister. 1370 01:11:55,461 --> 01:11:57,428 And they actually get married in portland. 1371 01:11:57,463 --> 01:12:00,556 - Ooh. Okay. 1372 01:12:00,633 --> 01:12:03,267 - Apparently kathy didn't like to stay in one place, 1373 01:12:03,344 --> 01:12:05,478 And after she married brian, 1374 01:12:05,488 --> 01:12:07,646 They moved from portland to the salem area, 1375 01:12:07,657 --> 01:12:09,324 About 50 miles away. 1376 01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,492 Did we ever find anything that they had any children? 1377 01:12:11,569 --> 01:12:13,486 - I don't believe they had children. 1378 01:12:13,496 --> 01:12:15,821 - Okay, so brian and kathy though, 1379 01:12:15,832 --> 01:12:17,823 Were actually married for quite some time, right? 1380 01:12:17,834 --> 01:12:22,411 - They were, from '84 to at least '96. 1381 01:12:22,488 --> 01:12:24,580 - Now the question is, 1382 01:12:24,657 --> 01:12:27,342 Were kathy and brian still legally married 1383 01:12:27,418 --> 01:12:31,596 When kathy was found murdered on September 1, 1996? 1384 01:12:33,541 --> 01:12:37,635 There's also no divorce, which is kind of odd. 1385 01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:39,678 - It is, because we found her divorces 1386 01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:41,356 From the first marriages. 1387 01:12:41,432 --> 01:12:45,851 They were pretty easy to find, and why can't we find that one? 1388 01:12:45,862 --> 01:12:47,695 - I guess the one thing that just really, 1389 01:12:47,772 --> 01:12:50,773 Really just keeps getting to me is, 1390 01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:52,867 You never see your wife again, 1391 01:12:52,944 --> 01:12:55,444 But you don't report her missing either. 1392 01:12:55,521 --> 01:12:56,779 - How does someone go missing 1393 01:12:56,856 --> 01:12:58,489 And no one reports them missing? 1394 01:12:58,524 --> 01:12:59,782 - Yeah. 1395 01:12:59,859 --> 01:13:02,451 - So we've got a lot of questions. 1396 01:13:02,528 --> 01:13:04,120 [tense music] 1397 01:13:04,196 --> 01:13:07,039 - Do we know anything else about brian? 1398 01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:10,334 - Well, he does have kind of a past. 1399 01:13:10,411 --> 01:13:13,721 In 1973, 1400 01:13:13,798 --> 01:13:16,841 He was convicted of murder. 1401 01:13:16,876 --> 01:13:18,393 Sentenced to life in prison. 1402 01:13:18,469 --> 01:13:22,721 - Convicted of murder? - Convicted of murder. 1403 01:13:22,732 --> 01:13:25,641 23 years before kathy was murdered, 1404 01:13:25,718 --> 01:13:28,644 Brian was convicted of a different murder. 1405 01:13:31,724 --> 01:13:35,818 For strangulating a female motel clerk... 1406 01:13:35,895 --> 01:13:38,571 ♪ ♪ 1407 01:13:38,581 --> 01:13:42,825 ...With a vacuum cleaner electrical cord, 1408 01:13:42,902 --> 01:13:46,912 Over what he stated was a robbery of, like, $65. 1409 01:13:46,923 --> 01:13:49,757 ♪ ♪ 1410 01:13:49,834 --> 01:13:53,043 He actually gets sentenced to life in prison 1411 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,337 In 1974, 1412 01:13:55,414 --> 01:13:56,597 And he actually gets out of prison. 1413 01:13:56,674 --> 01:13:59,725 - And gets paroled when? - 1981. 1414 01:14:05,758 --> 01:14:09,110 Up where kathy was murdered, 24 years ago, 1415 01:14:09,187 --> 01:14:10,936 There's ropes everywhere. 1416 01:14:10,947 --> 01:14:13,397 There's ropes binding the tarps, 1417 01:14:13,432 --> 01:14:16,692 Possibly could have been a strangulation of her as well. 1418 01:14:16,769 --> 01:14:19,445 And from our research, we also found there are 1419 01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:22,457 Some interesting things about the physical aspects 1420 01:14:22,533 --> 01:14:25,618 Of brian that match things at the scene. 1421 01:14:25,628 --> 01:14:29,538 Brian's information shows he's 6-foot, 150 pounds. 1422 01:14:29,615 --> 01:14:32,967 The pants found at the scene are size 34/34. 1423 01:14:33,044 --> 01:14:35,211 That's consistent. 1424 01:14:35,287 --> 01:14:37,755 The shirt from the bag 1425 01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:41,091 And the one he's wearing appear to be identical. 1426 01:14:41,168 --> 01:14:42,977 He's got brown hair. 1427 01:14:43,054 --> 01:14:47,640 - Same color of hair that was found near kathy's body, 1428 01:14:47,650 --> 01:14:50,643 Believed to belong to the killer. 1429 01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:56,491 But it's what brian doesn't do that sparks our curiosity. 1430 01:14:56,493 --> 01:14:58,776 - No one reports her missing. 1431 01:14:58,778 --> 01:15:01,737 They don't appear to have gotten divorced. 1432 01:15:01,739 --> 01:15:05,241 She was never declared deceased by anyone. 1433 01:15:05,243 --> 01:15:08,744 To me, all of those line up with someone 1434 01:15:08,746 --> 01:15:12,006 Who doesn't want anyone looking into kathy's background. 1435 01:15:12,008 --> 01:15:14,008 That's huge red flags. 1436 01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:16,752 - So obviously, brian's a person of interest. 1437 01:15:16,754 --> 01:15:19,430 Do you know where he's at? 1438 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,008 After brian left salem area, moved to portland... 1439 01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:25,177 And it kind of looks like he bought a piece of property 1440 01:15:25,179 --> 01:15:26,428 From his parents. 1441 01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:31,901 I found a deed that shows he purchased a house in 2008 1442 01:15:32,862 --> 01:15:37,856 But there was a woman on the deed with him named tina. 1443 01:15:37,858 --> 01:15:41,694 Not kathy's eldest daughter, but the same name. 1444 01:15:41,696 --> 01:15:44,455 And the deed listed them as husband and wife. 1445 01:15:47,544 --> 01:15:48,826 - How do you get married 1446 01:15:48,828 --> 01:15:51,996 When you maybe aren't even divorced yet? 1447 01:15:51,998 --> 01:15:54,206 What do we know about brian today? 1448 01:15:54,208 --> 01:15:58,043 - In 2010, brian and tina moved to new hampshire together. 1449 01:15:59,964 --> 01:16:03,048 And then he appears to move, of all places, to oklahoma. 1450 01:16:03,059 --> 01:16:06,051 Through a criminal records search, 1451 01:16:06,062 --> 01:16:08,971 I was able to find that booking photo 1452 01:16:09,048 --> 01:16:10,940 From oklahoma in 2016. 1453 01:16:14,145 --> 01:16:17,646 For a driving infraction. 1454 01:16:17,723 --> 01:16:20,524 - Okay, so traffic infraction, violation. 1455 01:16:20,601 --> 01:16:23,319 - But at this point, I'm not exactly sure where he's living. 1456 01:16:23,395 --> 01:16:24,996 We're trying to find that. 1457 01:16:27,733 --> 01:16:30,576 Kathy was murdered 24 years ago. 1458 01:16:30,587 --> 01:16:33,912 Right now, our primary focus is on the last person 1459 01:16:33,923 --> 01:16:36,749 Kathy was married to, brian clifton. 1460 01:16:36,759 --> 01:16:39,710 [suspenseful music] 1461 01:16:39,787 --> 01:16:46,726 ♪ ♪ 1462 01:16:48,754 --> 01:16:51,722 24 years after we found his wife kathy dead 1463 01:16:51,757 --> 01:16:55,225 On a hill in oregon. 1464 01:16:55,302 --> 01:16:57,102 My team wants to approach him, 1465 01:16:57,113 --> 01:16:59,355 But we also don't want to blow our one shot 1466 01:16:59,431 --> 01:17:01,565 And risk having him flee 1467 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,234 Before we have confirmed evidence. 1468 01:17:04,311 --> 01:17:06,111 What we need now is brian's dna 1469 01:17:06,122 --> 01:17:08,614 And see if it matches any of the dna from the scene. 1470 01:17:08,625 --> 01:17:10,625 We've got the semen stain, we've got hair. 1471 01:17:10,701 --> 01:17:13,118 If his dna matches what's at the scene, 1472 01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:15,287 He automatically becomes our prime suspect. 1473 01:17:15,298 --> 01:17:20,134 ♪ ♪ 1474 01:17:29,387 --> 01:17:32,304 [light dramatic music] 1475 01:17:32,315 --> 01:17:33,981 ♪ ♪ 1476 01:17:37,301 --> 01:17:39,770 [light dramatic music] 1477 01:17:39,805 --> 01:17:40,771 ♪ ♪ 1478 01:17:40,806 --> 01:17:43,774 [tense music] 1479 01:17:43,809 --> 01:17:45,326 ♪ ♪ 1480 01:17:45,403 --> 01:17:47,486 - Kathy had a hard life. 1481 01:17:47,497 --> 01:17:50,614 Looking for love, kathy went through a series of men 1482 01:17:50,649 --> 01:17:53,325 That didn't care about her. 1483 01:17:53,336 --> 01:17:55,619 Her last husband didn't even bother to report her missing 1484 01:17:55,696 --> 01:17:58,080 When she disappeared. 1485 01:17:58,157 --> 01:18:01,676 And just a few months later, her remains were found. 1486 01:18:04,663 --> 01:18:06,171 - While searching for brian, 1487 01:18:06,182 --> 01:18:08,465 I found his sister brenda in wisconsin, 1488 01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:10,184 And I reached out to her 1489 01:18:10,261 --> 01:18:11,519 To see if she'd be willing to help. 1490 01:18:11,595 --> 01:18:16,857 [line ringing] 1491 01:18:16,934 --> 01:18:19,476 - Hi, is this brenda? 1492 01:18:19,553 --> 01:18:21,770 - Hi, brenda, this is detective john williams. 1493 01:18:21,847 --> 01:18:24,148 I'm calling from the polk county sheriff's office 1494 01:18:24,224 --> 01:18:25,366 In oregon. 1495 01:18:25,443 --> 01:18:27,484 Is a good time for you? 1496 01:18:27,561 --> 01:18:30,154 - Okay, so I have a case where I have 1497 01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:32,656 A missing person, who's kathy, 1498 01:18:32,733 --> 01:18:35,292 Was married to brian at one point. 1499 01:18:37,696 --> 01:18:40,381 - Do you recall whatever happened 1500 01:18:40,458 --> 01:18:43,634 To brian and kathy's marriage, how it ended or any of that? 1501 01:18:50,542 --> 01:18:52,768 - Why do you doubt that they got divorced? 1502 01:18:54,713 --> 01:18:57,815 - So he would've illegally married another woman? 1503 01:18:59,885 --> 01:19:01,159 - Okay. 1504 01:19:01,161 --> 01:19:03,779 So you don't talk to brian. You don't know where he's at? 1505 01:19:09,987 --> 01:19:11,904 - Yeah. 1506 01:19:11,914 --> 01:19:13,322 - I got you. 1507 01:19:13,398 --> 01:19:15,699 Well, and that's what I'm showing too. 1508 01:19:18,737 --> 01:19:20,921 - Let me give you some details. 1509 01:19:20,998 --> 01:19:23,707 So in 1996, 1510 01:19:23,742 --> 01:19:27,678 Hunters found skeletonized remains of a female. 1511 01:19:36,421 --> 01:19:39,723 - We do have the dna found at the scene 1512 01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,942 On some men's clothing that was left behind. 1513 01:19:42,019 --> 01:19:44,186 I would think has to be related 1514 01:19:44,263 --> 01:19:47,606 To whoever put the body there. 1515 01:19:47,617 --> 01:19:51,276 - So we have a couple of things we might try, 1516 01:19:51,287 --> 01:19:56,865 And one is if we can get dna from a relative 1517 01:19:56,942 --> 01:20:00,544 To get the best, you know, say, oh, yeah, that's a sister-- 1518 01:20:02,614 --> 01:20:04,748 - Would you be willing if we sent you a dna kit 1519 01:20:04,783 --> 01:20:08,418 To just swab your cheek and mail it back? 1520 01:20:08,453 --> 01:20:10,754 - Oh, that's awesome. 1521 01:20:10,831 --> 01:20:13,641 - Okay. 1522 01:20:13,717 --> 01:20:15,717 To see what it matches at the scene, 1523 01:20:15,794 --> 01:20:17,761 That's gonna be super critical. 1524 01:20:17,796 --> 01:20:20,264 This would be an amazing boost to this case. 1525 01:20:20,299 --> 01:20:23,267 [tense music] 1526 01:20:23,302 --> 01:20:30,241 ♪ ♪ 1527 01:20:40,652 --> 01:20:44,004 - Now that we know brian's sister is a sibling match 1528 01:20:44,081 --> 01:20:46,498 To the dna found at the crime scene, 1529 01:20:46,509 --> 01:20:48,250 I could finally tell her family 1530 01:20:48,327 --> 01:20:51,503 And give them some closure. 1531 01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:56,800 I'm going to see kathy's daughters, tina and candice, 1532 01:20:56,835 --> 01:20:58,802 And kathy's sister, linda. 1533 01:20:58,837 --> 01:21:01,021 Never met each other before all of this, 1534 01:21:01,098 --> 01:21:04,808 So I think it's great that they all get to know each other, 1535 01:21:04,843 --> 01:21:07,269 And that they do have family left. 1536 01:21:07,346 --> 01:21:09,864 Something they've always wanted, and they have it. 1537 01:21:22,786 --> 01:21:25,829 Well, how are my most three favorite women doing? 1538 01:21:25,864 --> 01:21:27,039 - Hello! - Hello! 1539 01:21:27,049 --> 01:21:29,833 - Look at you, pretty woman. 1540 01:21:29,868 --> 01:21:31,960 - How are things going getting to know each other? 1541 01:21:32,037 --> 01:21:33,670 - With us, it's good. - Oh, it's just-- 1542 01:21:33,705 --> 01:21:36,390 - Is there something that's not? 1543 01:21:36,467 --> 01:21:37,841 - It is what it's supposed to be. 1544 01:21:37,876 --> 01:21:38,909 - I know. 1545 01:21:38,986 --> 01:21:41,386 - Well, I just wanted you to know there were three 1546 01:21:41,397 --> 01:21:45,682 Really important things for me to do in this case if I could. 1547 01:21:45,717 --> 01:21:48,402 One of them was to identify her. 1548 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:49,570 Give her her name back. 1549 01:21:49,647 --> 01:21:53,315 Which would then open up roads, second, 1550 01:21:53,392 --> 01:21:56,410 To hopefully help the investigation. 1551 01:21:56,487 --> 01:21:58,579 You know, once you know about her life, 1552 01:21:58,656 --> 01:22:00,414 Once we found out about all of you guys, 1553 01:22:00,491 --> 01:22:03,367 I mean, that all came about because of her identity. 1554 01:22:03,402 --> 01:22:07,704 So many roads have been open, learned a lot. 1555 01:22:07,739 --> 01:22:10,540 And then the third most important thing to me, 1556 01:22:10,617 --> 01:22:12,593 So hold on one second. 1557 01:22:12,670 --> 01:22:13,877 - Is she going to do something sneaky? 1558 01:22:13,912 --> 01:22:14,878 - I don't know. 1559 01:22:14,913 --> 01:22:18,048 [gentle music] 1560 01:22:18,125 --> 01:22:20,717 ♪ ♪ 1561 01:22:20,752 --> 01:22:22,761 - Oh, my--oh! 1562 01:22:22,772 --> 01:22:24,680 - Third most important thing. 1563 01:22:24,756 --> 01:22:26,440 - Oh, my god! 1564 01:22:26,517 --> 01:22:29,610 - Is to bring her home, where she belongs. 1565 01:22:29,687 --> 01:22:32,112 ♪ ♪ 1566 01:22:32,189 --> 01:22:35,366 From the bottom of all of our hearts. 1567 01:22:37,436 --> 01:22:39,403 - It's okay, baby girl. 1568 01:22:39,438 --> 01:22:45,075 ♪ ♪ 1569 01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:48,045 - [sobbing] 1570 01:22:50,633 --> 01:22:54,584 - We really got close. These are my girls. 1571 01:22:54,661 --> 01:22:57,379 - You're family. - That's so beautiful. 1572 01:22:57,456 --> 01:22:59,089 - It is. - Thank you. 1573 01:22:59,166 --> 01:23:00,808 - I love it. 1574 01:23:00,884 --> 01:23:03,927 It was right then that my heart went up in my throat, 1575 01:23:04,004 --> 01:23:08,649 And it was like I couldn't say nothing. 1576 01:23:08,726 --> 01:23:11,768 Because I knew what it was. 1577 01:23:11,803 --> 01:23:14,771 Knowing that she is home, where she belongs, 1578 01:23:14,806 --> 01:23:16,573 It was beautiful. 1579 01:23:18,977 --> 01:23:21,486 This is your mama. 1580 01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:25,165 It is so beautiful. I mean, look at that. 1581 01:23:25,242 --> 01:23:29,670 - I think everything just really hit home even harder. 1582 01:23:29,747 --> 01:23:30,954 The fact that I, you know, 1583 01:23:31,031 --> 01:23:34,791 Knowing for 23 years 1584 01:23:34,868 --> 01:23:37,461 That she couldn't-- she couldn't reach out, 1585 01:23:37,537 --> 01:23:38,846 She couldn't check on us, 1586 01:23:38,922 --> 01:23:41,015 You know, that something had happened... 1587 01:23:46,004 --> 01:23:49,139 It actually made me start to heal a little bit. 1588 01:23:49,174 --> 01:23:51,933 - She needs to come home, okay? - Yeah, yeah. 1589 01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:55,520 - To be able to actually put her fully at rest, 1590 01:23:55,531 --> 01:23:57,814 We've talked about that so much. 1591 01:23:57,891 --> 01:24:03,537 And what yolanda has done is so heartfelt that we can-- 1592 01:24:03,614 --> 01:24:04,946 I don't know that we'll ever be able 1593 01:24:05,023 --> 01:24:06,874 To really thank her enough. 1594 01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:07,991 - There's a lot of great, 1595 01:24:08,068 --> 01:24:09,868 Great things that came out of this. 1596 01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:11,712 - We're thankful for that, and what you've done, 1597 01:24:11,789 --> 01:24:14,998 'cause you brought this wonderful woman into our life. 1598 01:24:15,033 --> 01:24:16,717 Thank you, yolanda. Thank you so much. 1599 01:24:16,794 --> 01:24:19,211 - Wasn't for you guys, I wouldn't have my baby girls. 1600 01:24:19,221 --> 01:24:21,555 - Well, you're family. 1601 01:24:21,632 --> 01:24:26,510 - I'm just grateful to detective williams, yolanda, 1602 01:24:26,586 --> 01:24:29,971 'cause I know my two nieces in my life right now. 1603 01:24:30,048 --> 01:24:32,182 And we talk every day. 1604 01:24:32,217 --> 01:24:34,735 We have got so close, 1605 01:24:34,812 --> 01:24:38,947 And I'll give them the love that they need from my sister. 1606 01:24:41,101 --> 01:24:43,902 Think her girls are my girls now. 1607 01:24:43,913 --> 01:24:45,487 They're still her babies, 1608 01:24:45,564 --> 01:24:50,125 But I'm giving them and they're giving me back. 1609 01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:56,706 - My mother's case, it's not just another jane doe. 1610 01:24:56,741 --> 01:24:59,709 She's a person with a story. 1611 01:24:59,786 --> 01:25:03,046 She had family that cared about her. 1612 01:25:03,081 --> 01:25:06,600 I would have liked for her to have--see me now. 1613 01:25:11,607 --> 01:25:13,982 I think she would've been proud. 1614 01:25:19,690 --> 01:25:22,616 [gentle music] 1615 01:25:22,693 --> 01:25:27,571 ♪ ♪ 1616 01:25:27,647 --> 01:25:30,958 - A year has passed since I started this investigation. 1617 01:25:31,034 --> 01:25:35,620 My mission was always to identify our jane doe, 1618 01:25:35,631 --> 01:25:38,915 To give her back to her family, and give her back her name. 1619 01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:41,793 And I've done that with kathy's case. 1620 01:25:41,804 --> 01:25:43,971 - It's been a lot of hard work. - Yeah. 1621 01:25:44,047 --> 01:25:47,808 - A lot of phone calls, a lot of going down dead ends. 1622 01:25:47,885 --> 01:25:49,759 The adoptions threw us for a loop-- 1623 01:25:49,836 --> 01:25:50,978 - Yes. 1624 01:25:51,054 --> 01:25:53,096 - But we persevered, we kept going. 1625 01:25:53,131 --> 01:25:56,975 I was totally clueless to how, you know, 1626 01:25:56,986 --> 01:25:59,102 Third cousins and genealogy and all that work, 1627 01:25:59,137 --> 01:26:02,772 But I knew we had yolanda's team behind us. 1628 01:26:02,849 --> 01:26:04,774 It was a slow process for a while 1629 01:26:04,809 --> 01:26:06,276 And then it started building steam 1630 01:26:06,311 --> 01:26:08,570 Until kind of everything came together 1631 01:26:08,647 --> 01:26:11,814 And we finally identified kathy. 1632 01:26:14,861 --> 01:26:17,287 - Kathy got her name back. 1633 01:26:17,364 --> 01:26:19,581 Her identity back. 1634 01:26:19,658 --> 01:26:21,333 Nobody should die without it. 1635 01:26:21,343 --> 01:26:23,677 Her family thought she walked away, 1636 01:26:23,754 --> 01:26:25,295 Maybe didn't want anything to do with them, 1637 01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:26,963 I don't believe that. 1638 01:26:26,998 --> 01:26:30,091 But unfortunately, she didn't have any more choices 1639 01:26:30,168 --> 01:26:32,761 After that of what she would've wanted to do with her life. 1640 01:26:32,837 --> 01:26:37,307 She's been so wronged in so many ways. 1641 01:26:37,384 --> 01:26:40,944 I just hope now that her family can start to heal. 1642 01:26:42,698 --> 01:26:45,148 You and I said we would figure it out. 1643 01:26:45,225 --> 01:26:47,317 We said we'd take her home. 1644 01:26:47,394 --> 01:26:49,361 And that we would pursue any roads 1645 01:26:49,371 --> 01:26:51,872 That opened up to find out who killed her. 1646 01:26:51,949 --> 01:26:53,657 - And that continues. 1647 01:26:53,733 --> 01:26:56,043 - Obviously the truth is ultimately what we're after. 1648 01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:58,587 - Right. 1649 01:27:01,458 --> 01:27:05,052 - The case is now in the investigators' hands.