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<i> - They are known</i>
<i> as jane and john does.</i>

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40,000 murder victims
are still unidentified.

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<i> [gentle music]</i>

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<i> Thousands of suspects</i>
<i> are still at large.</i>

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I'm on a mission
to change all of that,

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One case at a time.

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<i> Who is she?</i>

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<i> - Hunters discovered</i>
<i> the mystery woman's remains</i>

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<i> Back in 1996.</i>

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- Investigators want to get
this woman back to her family.

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<i> - For 23 years, polk county's</i>
<i> jane doe has remained unknown.</i>

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Her family left wondering,
what happened?

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<i> Until now.</i>

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<i> For nearly three decades,</i>
<i> I worked as a csi,</i>

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<i> Specializing</i>
<i> in the recovery of dna.</i>

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<i> I'm hoping with the advances</i>
<i> in dna testing,</i>

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<i> We can get closer to</i>
<i> tracking down her family</i>

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And her identity.

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<i> - In the underwear,</i>
<i> there was a semen stain.</i>

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<i> - She's not just</i>
<i> another jane doe.</i>

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She's a person with a story.

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<i> - My focus has always</i>
<i> been the victims</i>

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And the victim's family.

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<i> She deserves</i>
<i> her identity back,</i>

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And I'm gonna work for that.

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<i> [dramatic music]</i>

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<i> [indistinct chatter]</i>

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<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

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<i> ♪ ♪</i>

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<i> [tense music]</i>

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<i> ♪ ♪</i>

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<i> - I'm yolanda mcclary,</i>

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<i> A retired crime scene</i>
<i> investigator</i>

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<i> From the las vegas</i>
<i> metropolitan police department.</i>

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<i> I've helped to reopen and solve</i>
<i> some of the most complex</i>

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<i> And mysterious cold cases</i>
<i> in america.</i>

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<i> Polk county's</i>
<i> jane doe cold case</i>

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<i> Has been haunting</i>
<i> the local sheriff's department</i>

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<i> For nearly 25 years.</i>

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<i> I can only imagine how</i>
<i> jane doe's family must feel.</i>

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<i> They still have no idea</i>
<i> what happened to their mother,</i>

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<i> Wife, or sister.</i>

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<i> Thinking of my own family,</i>

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<i> Not knowing would</i>
<i> be so painful.</i>

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<i> Murdered, discarded</i>
<i> in a wooded area.</i>

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<i> Jane doe has been at</i>
<i> the oregon state forensic lab</i>

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<i> For over two decades.</i>

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<i> I want to give her</i>
<i> her name back.</i>

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<i> Using genealogy to help</i>
<i> identify unidentified persons</i>

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<i> Has been a huge breakthrough.</i>

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My hope is that it will
lead us down the right path

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For her identification.

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<i> - In September of 1996,</i>
<i> a father and son hunting party</i>

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Stumbled upon
a skeletonized body

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Wrapped in a blue tarp,

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<i> Up with ropes,</i>

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<i> And called</i>
<i> the sheriff's office.</i>

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<i> Based on the wide pelvis,</i>

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<i> The medical examiner</i>
<i> determined the body was female.</i>

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<i> But dna technology</i>
<i> in 1996 prevented us</i>

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<i> From identifying her</i>
<i> any more specifically.</i>

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<i> This is burney krauger.</i>

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He's a retired detective,

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And this case was his
initially in '96.

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- Hi burney, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.

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- Obviously, trying
to find her identity

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Is gonna be the huge thing
to open up roads

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On maybe a different
kind of investigation.

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- Burney krauger,
he kept the case

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Until he retired
in December 2013,

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<i> And I took over the case</i>
<i> at that point.</i>

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- So on September 1, 1996,
you're on patrol?

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- Correct.
- Tell me about that.

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- Well, I made contact
with the father and the son,

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And they told me
they were grouse hunting

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And the dad said
he came into a clearing,

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And there appeared
to be a human skull

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<i> Sitting in this clearing.</i>

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From that point on then,

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We started the investigation
of the dead body.

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<i> The body was dumped</i>
<i> and was wrapped in blue tarp.</i>

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It had been there long enough
that the coyotes or varmints

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Pulled the body
out of the tarp.

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<i> - Okay, well,</i>
<i> that makes sense.</i>

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Got a lot of animals out
and they're all feeding.

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- Right.

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<i> - I chose this case</i>

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<i> Because this victim</i>
<i> was discarded like trash,</i>

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<i> For animals to eat</i>
<i> her remains.</i>

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No one, no one deserves
to die that way.

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<i> - The oregon medical</i>
<i> examiner's office</i>

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<i> Did an autopsy on the bones,</i>

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<i> And they were unable to</i>
<i> determine the cause of death</i>

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Because they didn't find
any knife wounds in the ribs,

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They didn't find any
bullet holes, et cetera, so...

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- Okay.
If you don't mind,

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I would love to get a feel
for where this was,

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You know,
at least an approximate area.

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So it would be okay
if we go out there?

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- Yeah, we can do that.
All right.

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<i> - In order for me</i>
<i> to better understand</i>

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<i> What happened to her,</i>

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I need to visit the place
where she was found.

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<i> Retracing the actual steps</i>
<i> of the killer</i>

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<i> Can reveal insights</i>
<i> into the crime</i>

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That a report
just can't provide.

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<i> - At the time in 1996,</i>

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<i> The location was a recently</i>
<i> cleared logging area.</i>

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<i> - I don't know,</i>
<i> if I was just some person</i>

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That was finding a place
to dump a body,

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I don't know that
I could find this.

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- Well, in my opinion, I think
it would be kind of difficult.

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They would have to be somewhat
familiar with the area.

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- There are hundreds of
logging roads in this county.

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You can get lost
pretty easily up there.

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<i> - Now this is the end</i>
<i> of the log landing.</i>

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I didn't realize
it'd be grown up this much.

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- Yeah, it's--
- it's grown up a lot.

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- I think we went over
someplace in that area

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'cause I can remember
that one stump being here.

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- That's probably where
we need to go down.

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- Pretty close.

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- What kind of person
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To dump a body?

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I got to tell you,
dragging a body down here--

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It's steep, so I'm gonna
say, whoever this is, is--

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I'm not saying you
have to be an athlete,

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But you have to be at least--

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- Kind of good shape.
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- There's some fallen logs.
Let's take a look at that.

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Looking at the photos,
this is where the body was.

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- We're lucky
she was ever found.

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I mean, I don't know why,
but I'm just feeling that.

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- I am too.

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They actually found the skull
a couple hundred feet that way.

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- Eventually a tarp
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And that would have been it.
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- I don't think there would've
been anything else left.

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I don't think they would've
found any of those bones.

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That would've just been gone.
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From the landing to where
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<i> Hidden under a small tree,</i>

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<i> Was this bag of clothing.</i>

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Well, that clothing
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Was actually just up the hill,
right up in there.

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<i> It was a pair of pants,</i>
<i> pair of underwear,</i>

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<i> Shirt, socks, shoes.</i>

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34/34 pants, so it's belonged
to a tall person.

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<i> - Is it possible</i>
<i> the killer changed,</i>

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<i> Then discarded his clothes</i>
<i> after he dumped the body,</i>

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<i> Believing they would</i>
<i> never be found?</i>

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<i> - That was significant.</i>

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<i> It was likely a male,</i>

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<i> Tied to the person</i>
<i> who put the body there.</i>

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Size 34/34 pants, it's likely
someone over 6-foot tall.

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- Did you guys ever have
any clothing

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Or the evidence tested?

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- Yeah, actually
in the underwear

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That was in the bag,
there was a semen stain.

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<i> They tried to develop</i>
<i> the dna from that stain,</i>

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And they had no luck in '96.
- Okay.

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- They stored the sample
that they created.

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- I'm super impressed
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<i> That we had a possible</i>
<i> perp dna profile.</i>

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- Finally in 2014, I said,

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"let's take
another crack at it."

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At that point they were
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A partial dna
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And it was good enough
to go into codis.

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- That's a really good sample
if it was good enough

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To go into codis.
- Yeah, so.

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But unfortunately, we've not
had any hits from that.

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- Still nothing.

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<i> - On one of the trees,</i>

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<i> There was a clump</i>
<i> of brownish colored hair.</i>

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<i> Like, you whack your head</i>
<i> on a tree</i>

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<i> And it takes part</i>
<i> of your skin off.</i>

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<i> - Brown hair?</i>

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It was caught
in a broken branch

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<i> Above where the body was.</i>

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We think whoever,
disposing of the body

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And then they raised up,
that they caught that--

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- That branch.
- Chunk.

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Whoever did it
must have felt it.

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- Well, that was significant
'cause it didn't match her hair

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And it points to the person
who drug her down there.

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Now we're having it
looked at again.

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<i> - If we can get</i>
<i> a usable dna profile,</i>

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<i> It could possibly open up roads</i>
<i> we would never have before.</i>

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<i> It's such a huge deal because</i>

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I want to give her
her name back.

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I want to target her killer.

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<i> That could be a game changer.</i>

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- Her dad was a loser.

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- He was playing chicken
on the railroad track.

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- I tried to talk her
out of it.

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<i> - It's very shocking.</i>

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Almost like
an out-of-body experience.

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[indistinct chatter]

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<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

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<i> [tense music]</i>

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[birds cawing]

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<i> - The discarded remains</i>
<i> of a woman</i>

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<i> We call jane doe</i>
<i> are found by hunters</i>

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<i> Nearly 25 years ago</i>
<i> in polk county, oregon.</i>

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<i> I'm headed to</i>
<i> the oregon state forensic lab</i>

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<i> To meet with nici vance,</i>
<i> their state anthropologist.</i>

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<i> It's amazing how much</i>
<i> information bones can tell us.</i>

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How old our victim is,
if they ever had a child,

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How tall they were possibly.

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- We've tried so many things
on this particular jane doe.

223
00:11:04.406 --> 00:11:05.997
So she's right here.

224
00:11:06.074 --> 00:11:07.907
- So you said you have
the majority of her?

225
00:11:07.984 --> 00:11:09.784
- I do.

226
00:11:09.861 --> 00:11:12.420
But we just can't seem
to identify her.

227
00:11:15.676 --> 00:11:17.792
I'm gonna lay her out
in anatomical position.

228
00:11:17.827 --> 00:11:19.585
- Yeah, absolutely.
Yes.

229
00:11:19.662 --> 00:11:22.588
- So you can see
exactly what we have.

230
00:11:22.665 --> 00:11:24.683
- Oh, my goodness.
- Isn't that amazing?

231
00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:26.843
- Now that is really
a weird scar.

232
00:11:26.853 --> 00:11:31.356
- Yeah, so this is definitely
a craniotomy scar, so--

233
00:11:31.433 --> 00:11:32.849
- Surgery.
- Surgery, yes.

234
00:11:32.859 --> 00:11:34.434
This is not an injury.

235
00:11:34.510 --> 00:11:36.519
There's part
of her spinal column.

236
00:11:36.530 --> 00:11:38.354
- Uh-huh.
- That would indicate

237
00:11:38.365 --> 00:11:42.033
That she hadn't necessarily
been out there all that long.

238
00:11:42.110 --> 00:11:45.820
- Uh huh.
She seems small.

239
00:11:45.897 --> 00:11:48.823
- I don't think
she's over 5'3", 5'4".

240
00:11:48.858 --> 00:11:51.826
We know she's female
based on characteristics

241
00:11:51.903 --> 00:11:54.495
In her skeletal system.

242
00:11:54.530 --> 00:11:57.498
We see a very,
very wide pelvis.

243
00:11:57.533 --> 00:12:00.710
- Can you tell if somebody's
had children, given childbirth?

244
00:12:00.721 --> 00:12:02.670
- Yeah, there's a little
divot right there,

245
00:12:02.747 --> 00:12:04.389
A little depression
that is created

246
00:12:04.466 --> 00:12:08.509
When a very large ligament
detaches during childbirth.

247
00:12:08.586 --> 00:12:11.053
We see indication
that she very well

248
00:12:11.064 --> 00:12:13.848
Could have been a mother.

249
00:12:13.883 --> 00:12:15.683
<i> - As a mother,</i>
<i> this kind of hits home.</i>

250
00:12:15.718 --> 00:12:18.978
When I found out that jane doe
had at least one child,

251
00:12:19.055 --> 00:12:20.813
I'm wondering if that child

252
00:12:20.890 --> 00:12:22.982
Has been looking for her
all these years.

253
00:12:23.059 --> 00:12:26.486
- We know that
she's past her 30s.

254
00:12:26.562 --> 00:12:29.697
We're now moving into probably
the fourth decade of life.

255
00:12:29.732 --> 00:12:30.915
- Into her 40s.
- Mm-hmm.

256
00:12:30.992 --> 00:12:32.366
- Got it.
- Exactly.

257
00:12:32.401 --> 00:12:34.702
- Did you find any kind of
cause of death?

258
00:12:34.779 --> 00:12:38.080
- We don't have soft tissue,
so we don't see a bullet wound.

259
00:12:38.091 --> 00:12:40.925
We've looked, there
there's no knife defects.

260
00:12:41.002 --> 00:12:42.001
So everything--

261
00:12:42.078 --> 00:12:44.086
- No blunt force trauma there.
- Exactly right.

262
00:12:44.097 --> 00:12:46.839
So we would see that
depression in the bone.

263
00:12:46.916 --> 00:12:48.382
Don't see it here,

264
00:12:48.459 --> 00:12:51.677
So we have virtually
no indication

265
00:12:51.754 --> 00:12:54.680
Regarding how she
came to die, yeah.

266
00:12:54.757 --> 00:12:57.725
- How she died, okay.

267
00:12:57.760 --> 00:13:01.854
- The cause of death based
on the bones is not clear,

268
00:13:01.931 --> 00:13:03.731
<i> But unfortunately</i>
<i> the manner of death</i>

269
00:13:03.808 --> 00:13:07.068
<i> Or why she died</i>
<i> is still homicide</i>

270
00:13:07.144 --> 00:13:09.621
<i> Since she clearly</i>
<i> didn't wrap herself up</i>

271
00:13:09.697 --> 00:13:11.956
<i> In a tarp on that hill.</i>

272
00:13:12.033 --> 00:13:13.792
<i> So we're down to dna.</i>

273
00:13:13.868 --> 00:13:17.796
Other than that,
there's just not a lot.

274
00:13:17.872 --> 00:13:21.207
- I lose sleep over this case
because she's so identifiable.

275
00:13:21.284 --> 00:13:23.751
I want to believe that
someone's looking for her.

276
00:13:23.786 --> 00:13:26.087
Let's give her back
to her family.

277
00:13:26.122 --> 00:13:28.047
So if there's some sort
of new technology

278
00:13:28.124 --> 00:13:31.717
That you can help us with,
let's see what we can find out.

279
00:13:31.794 --> 00:13:34.929
<i> - I'm hoping with the advances</i>
<i> in dna testing,</i>

280
00:13:35.006 --> 00:13:38.766
<i> We can now collect her dna</i>
<i> from just her bones.</i>

281
00:13:38.801 --> 00:13:41.811
<i> We don't know</i>
<i> the cause of death.</i>

282
00:13:41.822 --> 00:13:43.479
<i> But what I do know</i>

283
00:13:43.490 --> 00:13:45.898
<i> Is that jane doe</i>
<i> has at least one child</i>

284
00:13:45.975 --> 00:13:47.992
<i> Who may still be alive.</i>

285
00:13:48.069 --> 00:13:51.487
<i> So there must be family</i>
<i> out there looking for her.</i>

286
00:13:51.498 --> 00:13:54.907
<i> Imagine all these years</i>
<i> looking for someone you loved.</i>

287
00:13:54.984 --> 00:13:56.951
<i> It's heartbreaking.</i>

288
00:13:57.028 --> 00:13:59.620
<i> Now I need to speak</i>
<i> with the detectives.</i>

289
00:13:59.655 --> 00:14:01.122
If detectives can determine

290
00:14:01.157 --> 00:14:03.958
When jane doe's remains
were dumped,

291
00:14:03.993 --> 00:14:07.095
<i> It could help us find out</i>
<i> who she might be.</i>

292
00:14:08.849 --> 00:14:11.683
<i> [tense music]</i>

293
00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.184
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

294
00:14:13.261 --> 00:14:16.679
<i> All right, let's talk</i>
<i> about evidence a little bit.</i>

295
00:14:16.690 --> 00:14:18.681
And the time frame,
the time of year.

296
00:14:18.692 --> 00:14:23.194
- We put a time period in there
of late June to the middle,

297
00:14:23.271 --> 00:14:25.479
Maybe even two-thirds July

298
00:14:25.514 --> 00:14:28.449
Because of what
the vegetation shows you.

299
00:14:31.020 --> 00:14:32.820
<i> Grass played</i>
<i> an important part</i>

300
00:14:32.897 --> 00:14:35.114
In determining
approximate time

301
00:14:35.191 --> 00:14:38.826
Of the body
being deposited there.

302
00:14:38.861 --> 00:14:41.120
<i> - Burney collected grass</i>

303
00:14:41.197 --> 00:14:43.539
<i> From next to where</i>
<i> the body was,</i>

304
00:14:43.550 --> 00:14:46.167
<i> And grass from under</i>
<i> where the body was.</i>

305
00:14:46.202 --> 00:14:48.836
The difference in height
between these two grasses

306
00:14:48.871 --> 00:14:51.672
Indicates that she was there
two to three months.

307
00:14:51.749 --> 00:14:53.883
- And then we also found
a receipt

308
00:14:53.894 --> 00:14:57.470
And some clothes
that were up there.

309
00:14:57.546 --> 00:15:00.306
<i> - In the shirt pocket</i>
<i> of one of the shirts</i>

310
00:15:00.383 --> 00:15:03.684
<i> That was in this bag</i>
<i> was a restaurant receipt.</i>

311
00:15:03.761 --> 00:15:08.814
<i> It was for around $5 worth</i>
<i> of food for one person.</i>

312
00:15:08.891 --> 00:15:12.860
<i> This fast food receipt</i>
<i> was dated June 26th.</i>

313
00:15:12.937 --> 00:15:14.987
- Okay, that's
very interesting.

314
00:15:15.064 --> 00:15:17.582
So you have two things now
saying probably late June.

315
00:15:17.659 --> 00:15:19.751
- Yeah.
- I think your timeline's good.

316
00:15:19.827 --> 00:15:23.588
I think your timelines
probably right on.

317
00:15:23.665 --> 00:15:25.665
<i> - So we know when</i>
<i> the killer likely dumped</i>

318
00:15:25.741 --> 00:15:28.542
<i> His clothes and the body,</i>

319
00:15:28.619 --> 00:15:31.763
<i> But we still need</i>
<i> to identify our victim.</i>

320
00:15:31.839 --> 00:15:34.215
Dr. Vance has been very helpful
so I was picking her brain,

321
00:15:34.250 --> 00:15:36.550
I'm like,
"what else can we do?"

322
00:15:36.585 --> 00:15:39.720
She's like, "I got somebody
that can do you a sketch."

323
00:15:39.797 --> 00:15:42.932
<i> So in 2014,</i>
<i> dr. Vance provided the skull</i>

324
00:15:42.943 --> 00:15:44.767
<i> To a forensic artist,</i>

325
00:15:44.778 --> 00:15:48.062
<i> And it was remarkable</i>
<i> what came back.</i>

326
00:15:48.139 --> 00:15:50.949
<i> A forensic artist can</i>
<i> approximate a person's face</i>

327
00:15:51.025 --> 00:15:54.118
<i> Based only on</i>
<i> the contours of the skull.</i>

328
00:15:56.313 --> 00:15:58.122
<i> For the first time,</i>

329
00:15:58.199 --> 00:16:01.951
<i> I was looking into</i>
<i> the face of jane doe.</i>

330
00:16:01.962 --> 00:16:04.078
<i> We got those</i>
<i> beautiful sketches,</i>

331
00:16:04.155 --> 00:16:05.746
<i> And they experimented</i>

332
00:16:05.781 --> 00:16:08.374
<i> With different hairstyles,</i>
<i> hair colors</i>

333
00:16:08.451 --> 00:16:12.044
To give us a range of what
our doe would have looked like.

334
00:16:12.121 --> 00:16:15.047
<i> - Once detectives had</i>
<i> three potential sketches</i>

335
00:16:15.124 --> 00:16:16.298
<i> Of their victim,</i>

336
00:16:16.309 --> 00:16:18.759
<i> They turned to the media</i>
<i> to generate leads.</i>

337
00:16:18.794 --> 00:16:22.263
- Investigators want to get
this woman back to her family,

338
00:16:22.298 --> 00:16:26.651
But they have no idea
who she is or where she's from.

339
00:16:26.728 --> 00:16:30.146
If you think you might know
who this mystery woman is,

340
00:16:30.156 --> 00:16:33.032
You're asked to contact the
polk county sheriff's office.

341
00:16:37.146 --> 00:16:39.780
<i> - We were able to get</i>
<i> a variety of sketches</i>

342
00:16:39.815 --> 00:16:42.742
Based on the skull of what our
victim might have looked like.

343
00:16:42.818 --> 00:16:43.951
<i> - Yeah.</i>

344
00:16:43.986 --> 00:16:46.787
<i> - And I did get a call</i>
<i> from canada.</i>

345
00:16:46.864 --> 00:16:49.999
They had a missing person
up there.

346
00:16:50.010 --> 00:16:52.668
Turned out it wasn't--
wasn't ours.

347
00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.305
That's the only serious tip
that has come in.

348
00:16:57.875 --> 00:16:59.800
<i> Kind of been disappointing.</i>

349
00:16:59.835 --> 00:17:01.635
<i> - Well, and after 23 years</i>

350
00:17:01.670 --> 00:17:03.304
<i> If you haven't even found</i>
<i> any good leads,</i>

351
00:17:03.339 --> 00:17:05.189
<i> They're just probably</i>
<i> not there anymore.</i>

352
00:17:05.266 --> 00:17:07.850
Times have changed, you know,
in how we can do things now.

353
00:17:07.861 --> 00:17:12.196
This is a great case
to try just genealogy.

354
00:17:19.730 --> 00:17:21.781
It's not like anything else

355
00:17:21.857 --> 00:17:24.658
That dna
has ever been used for.

356
00:17:24.693 --> 00:17:26.035
It's new to me, too.

357
00:17:26.046 --> 00:17:28.788
Dna solutions in oklahoma,
private lab,

358
00:17:28.864 --> 00:17:30.039
They'll try
to extract the dna.

359
00:17:30.050 --> 00:17:31.832
Doing this whole
different profile

360
00:17:31.867 --> 00:17:35.044
That can be uploaded
into open source databases.

361
00:17:35.055 --> 00:17:37.671
Then, you know,
you start building trees,

362
00:17:37.706 --> 00:17:38.872
And these trees
have to connect,

363
00:17:38.908 --> 00:17:41.893
And they keep connecting
and connecting and connecting

364
00:17:41.969 --> 00:17:44.303
Till finally, hopefully,
they all can come together,

365
00:17:44.380 --> 00:17:47.607
And hopefully right down
to your jane doe.

366
00:17:49.885 --> 00:17:51.352
<i> I'm determined</i>
<i> to help detectives</i>

367
00:17:51.428 --> 00:17:53.854
<i> Identify their jane doe.</i>

368
00:17:53.931 --> 00:17:57.024
<i> If my team can extract</i>
<i> a solid sample of dna</i>

369
00:17:57.059 --> 00:17:58.818
<i> From jane doe's bones,</i>

370
00:17:58.894 --> 00:18:03.989
<i> We can then compare it to dna</i>
<i> in public source databases,</i>

371
00:18:04.066 --> 00:18:07.752
In the hopes that any of her
relatives' dna are in there.

372
00:18:07.829 --> 00:18:09.912
It's a lot of work,
but I got a great team.

373
00:18:09.923 --> 00:18:11.422
- We thank you.

374
00:18:11.499 --> 00:18:13.925
We really don't have
anywhere else to go.

375
00:18:14.001 --> 00:18:16.260
It's amazing 'cause
this new technology could be

376
00:18:16.337 --> 00:18:18.879
Just what we're looking for
to solve this case.

377
00:18:18.914 --> 00:18:21.882
<i> [tense music]</i>

378
00:18:21.917 --> 00:18:23.509
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

379
00:18:23.586 --> 00:18:26.512
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

380
00:18:26.589 --> 00:18:27.897
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

381
00:18:32.352 --> 00:18:34.895
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

382
00:18:34.972 --> 00:18:38.232
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

383
00:18:38.309 --> 00:18:41.360
<i> - With this groundbreaking</i>
<i> forensic technology,</i>

384
00:18:41.437 --> 00:18:44.780
<i> We have a new tool</i>
<i> to help solve cold cases.</i>

385
00:18:44.791 --> 00:18:48.200
Our jane doe's bones
are sent to dna solutions,

386
00:18:48.277 --> 00:18:52.705
A highly-respected,
private lab in oklahoma.

387
00:18:52.781 --> 00:18:54.623
<i> - I'm dr. Anstead.</i>
<i> I'm the lab director.</i>

388
00:18:54.634 --> 00:18:56.417
<i> We're a laboratory</i>
<i> that handles</i>

389
00:18:56.452 --> 00:18:58.586
<i> A number of different kinds</i>
<i> of dna work.</i>

390
00:18:58.662 --> 00:19:00.805
<i> They've been extracting dna</i>
<i> from skeletal remains</i>

391
00:19:00.882 --> 00:19:02.923
<i> For quite a few years now,</i>
<i> but what's changed</i>

392
00:19:02.958 --> 00:19:06.144
Is the technology
to actually recover that dna...

393
00:19:32.655 --> 00:19:35.673
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

394
00:19:48.855 --> 00:19:51.522
<i> - I can't believe after</i>
<i> more than two decades</i>

395
00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.524
<i> After our jane doe's remains</i>
<i> were found,</i>

396
00:19:53.601 --> 00:19:55.476
<i> We had her dna profile.</i>

397
00:19:55.552 --> 00:19:58.312
<i> The dna in this case</i>
<i> was a bit challenging</i>

398
00:19:58.347 --> 00:20:02.358
<i> Because there had been some</i>
<i> degration level in the bone</i>

399
00:20:02.368 --> 00:20:04.985
Due to the fact that the bone
is 23 years old,

400
00:20:05.020 --> 00:20:07.488
But we're quite pleased
with after two extractions,

401
00:20:07.564 --> 00:20:08.897
We got what we want.

402
00:20:08.899 --> 00:20:12.877
<i> Finally, we are getting closer</i>
<i> to tracking down her family</i>

403
00:20:12.954 --> 00:20:15.046
<i> And her identity.</i>

404
00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.377
<i> Now from my hometown</i>
<i> in las vegas,</i>

405
00:20:21.387 --> 00:20:24.672
<i> I contacted two of the best</i>
<i> genealogists in the country.</i>

406
00:20:24.707 --> 00:20:27.049
<i> [energetic music]</i>

407
00:20:27.060 --> 00:20:28.842
<i> - My name is charles mcgee.</i>

408
00:20:28.919 --> 00:20:31.512
I do all sorts of different
kinds of genealogical research,

409
00:20:31.547 --> 00:20:35.683
With my main focus
being forensic genealogy.

410
00:20:35.718 --> 00:20:38.560
<i> - This kind of investigative</i>
<i> work is very different</i>

411
00:20:38.571 --> 00:20:40.062
<i> Than just genealogy,</i>

412
00:20:40.073 --> 00:20:42.690
Because we start
with an unknown.

413
00:20:42.766 --> 00:20:45.818
We have no clue
who this person is.

414
00:20:45.894 --> 00:20:47.569
- I can't thank you guys
enough for coming.

415
00:20:47.580 --> 00:20:49.905
I just got back from oregon.

416
00:20:49.916 --> 00:20:55.911
They had a body that was found
September 1, 1996.

417
00:20:55.922 --> 00:20:58.664
Our jane doe would have been
in her 40s.

418
00:20:58.741 --> 00:21:02.334
- And did she have children?
- She had at least one child,

419
00:21:02.411 --> 00:21:03.761
But possibly more.

420
00:21:03.838 --> 00:21:07.715
- With a viable dna profile,
we're able to upload that

421
00:21:07.791 --> 00:21:09.934
To a private genetic
dna database.

422
00:21:10.011 --> 00:21:13.721
Once we're able to show matches
to our jane doe,

423
00:21:13.797 --> 00:21:16.432
Genetic matches, obviously
we're hoping for a bull's-eye.

424
00:21:16.442 --> 00:21:17.625
- What's a bull's-eye?

425
00:21:17.701 --> 00:21:20.436
- Well, like a parent
relationship would be awesome.

426
00:21:20.446 --> 00:21:21.537
- Okay.

427
00:21:21.539 --> 00:21:23.439
- The more dna that
you share with somebody,

428
00:21:23.449 --> 00:21:24.706
The closer your relationship.

429
00:21:24.708 --> 00:21:27.952
So a paternal line and a
maternal line coming together,

430
00:21:28.029 --> 00:21:30.446
Beneath there, somewhere,
is gonna be our doe, hopefully.

431
00:21:30.456 --> 00:21:31.780
- Gotcha.

432
00:21:31.791 --> 00:21:34.742
- We can't expect
to get a parent

433
00:21:34.777 --> 00:21:36.744
Or a sibling bull's-eye
right off the bat.

434
00:21:36.820 --> 00:21:38.746
<i> I mean, we're always hoping</i>
<i> for something like that,</i>

435
00:21:38.781 --> 00:21:39.872
<i> But that's pretty rare.</i>

436
00:21:39.948 --> 00:21:42.633
Then you get down to second,
third, fourth cousins

437
00:21:42.710 --> 00:21:44.960
And removed cousins
and half cousins.

438
00:21:44.971 --> 00:21:46.420
- Lots of headaches.
- We have tools--

439
00:21:46.455 --> 00:21:47.921
We have all sorts of tools
that can help us

440
00:21:47.998 --> 00:21:49.974
Try to determine what
those relationships might be.

441
00:21:50.051 --> 00:21:51.309
- Okay.

442
00:21:51.385 --> 00:21:52.810
- So we can kind of
narrow the field.

443
00:21:52.887 --> 00:21:55.971
Once her dna is uploaded
to this genetic

444
00:21:55.982 --> 00:21:58.649
Genealogy research site
we use,

445
00:21:58.726 --> 00:22:02.320
We're able to see
our jane doe's top matches,

446
00:22:02.396 --> 00:22:04.488
Her closest relatives.

447
00:22:04.565 --> 00:22:07.491
<i> [pensive music]</i>

448
00:22:07.568 --> 00:22:14.540
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

449
00:22:16.502 --> 00:22:18.660
- I got the top ten matches
that you sent.

450
00:22:18.671 --> 00:22:21.339
- Yep, the dna was uploaded
to the database

451
00:22:21.415 --> 00:22:23.999
And matches for our jane doe
are listed there.

452
00:22:24.010 --> 00:22:26.168
We were hoping for
something better, obviously.

453
00:22:26.179 --> 00:22:29.088
Our jane doe matches
are so distantly related

454
00:22:29.164 --> 00:22:32.007
<i> That she likely never even</i>
<i> knew them during her life.</i>

455
00:22:32.018 --> 00:22:34.843
<i> That makes the research</i>
<i> pretty difficult.</i>

456
00:22:34.854 --> 00:22:38.689
<i> - I liken this process</i>
<i> to working a jigsaw puzzle.</i>

457
00:22:38.766 --> 00:22:40.524
<i> When you get</i>
<i> a list of matches,</i>

458
00:22:40.601 --> 00:22:42.810
Some of them are valuable,
some of them are not,

459
00:22:42.845 --> 00:22:44.528
But you don't know
until you get going.

460
00:22:44.605 --> 00:22:46.522
<i> You're just flying blind.</i>

461
00:22:46.532 --> 00:22:48.190
<i> - So we'll start out</i>
<i> with the anna adams tree.</i>

462
00:22:48.201 --> 00:22:49.525
<i> - Yes.</i>

463
00:22:49.535 --> 00:22:50.859
- You can begin working
on that, jean.

464
00:22:50.870 --> 00:22:52.820
I can take
the sam smith tree.

465
00:22:52.896 --> 00:22:55.155
And yolanda,
you can start on dt jones.

466
00:22:55.232 --> 00:22:57.541
And we can just keep
on progressing from there.

467
00:22:57.618 --> 00:22:59.043
- All right.

468
00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:01.954
<i> So now we have our top</i>
<i> ten matches to our jane doe.</i>

469
00:23:02.030 --> 00:23:04.998
<i> That means building out</i>
<i> ten different family trees</i>

470
00:23:05.075 --> 00:23:08.001
<i> That will have thousands</i>
<i> of people in each,</i>

471
00:23:08.036 --> 00:23:10.712
<i> To ultimately find</i>
<i> that marriage</i>

472
00:23:10.723 --> 00:23:14.508
<i> Between jane doe's mother</i>
<i> and father to lead us to her.</i>

473
00:23:14.585 --> 00:23:16.677
<i> - Somewhere there's</i>
<i> a marriage that occurred</i>

474
00:23:16.753 --> 00:23:20.639
<i> That produced the parent</i>
<i> or grandparent of the doe.</i>

475
00:23:20.716 --> 00:23:22.641
<i> - We're looking</i>
<i> for the crossover</i>

476
00:23:22.718 --> 00:23:26.728
When one person in this tree
marries somebody in this tree.

477
00:23:26.739 --> 00:23:30.574
<i> - Where they come together</i>
<i> is where our doe's gonna be.</i>

478
00:23:30.651 --> 00:23:32.151
- All right, everybody
divide and conquer.

479
00:23:32.227 --> 00:23:35.154
<i> [gentle music]</i>

480
00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:41.034
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

481
00:23:41.069 --> 00:23:43.203
Based on our
genealogy research,

482
00:23:43.238 --> 00:23:46.582
<i> The two common names</i>
<i> that we have</i>

483
00:23:46.592 --> 00:23:49.168
In our tree
are thomas and fuller.

484
00:23:49.244 --> 00:23:52.546
So chuck, you found some
crossovers, some marriages.

485
00:23:52.623 --> 00:23:56.434
- Yeah, one of our matches
is related to tennie fuller,

486
00:23:56.510 --> 00:23:58.760
<i> And the other is related</i>
<i> to claude thomas.</i>

487
00:23:58.771 --> 00:24:00.220
<i> And we found a crossover</i>

488
00:24:00.255 --> 00:24:02.723
<i> Because claude and tennie</i>
<i> married.</i>

489
00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.444
- So how does, ultimately,
our doe fit into this?

490
00:24:06.520 --> 00:24:10.230
- Our doe could actually be
the child of tennie and claude,

491
00:24:10.307 --> 00:24:11.773
Or it could be the grandchild.

492
00:24:11.784 --> 00:24:14.568
<i> Claude and tennie</i>
<i> had seven children,</i>

493
00:24:14.603 --> 00:24:17.196
<i> Six boys and one girl.</i>

494
00:24:17.272 --> 00:24:19.957
<i> Morgan and leo</i>
<i> were the oldest.</i>

495
00:24:20.034 --> 00:24:22.075
<i> Billy and bettie</i>
<i> were the youngest.</i>

496
00:24:22.152 --> 00:24:26.788
And bettie thomas, we believe
that she moved to oregon.

497
00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:27.915
- Wow.

498
00:24:27.991 --> 00:24:30.292
- So that's a big hit
right there.

499
00:24:30.303 --> 00:24:32.753
<i> Bettie was born in 1934.</i>

500
00:24:32.788 --> 00:24:35.139
- We're looking for somebody
in their late 40s, maybe 50s.

501
00:24:35.216 --> 00:24:37.090
She's a little older

502
00:24:37.167 --> 00:24:39.635
Than probably what
we want for our doe, right?

503
00:24:39.645 --> 00:24:40.811
- Yeah.

504
00:24:40.888 --> 00:24:43.639
<i> - Bettie would've been 62</i>
<i> when jane doe was murdered,</i>

505
00:24:43.649 --> 00:24:45.974
<i> Nearly 20 years her senior.</i>

506
00:24:45.985 --> 00:24:48.652
So she may not be our victim.

507
00:24:48.729 --> 00:24:50.562
<i> We needed</i>
<i> detective williams' help.</i>

508
00:24:50.639 --> 00:24:53.232
<i> [energetic music]</i>

509
00:24:53.308 --> 00:24:54.942
- So looking into
bettie's background,

510
00:24:55.018 --> 00:24:56.827
I found something
that I didn't expect.

511
00:24:56.904 --> 00:24:59.780
<i> She had passed away</i>
<i> in king county, washington,</i>

512
00:24:59.815 --> 00:25:01.907
<i> In October of '96,</i>

513
00:25:01.984 --> 00:25:05.661
<i> Four months after our doe</i>
<i> was likely killed.</i>

514
00:25:05.671 --> 00:25:07.838
<i> So obviously,</i>
<i> it couldn't be our doe.</i>

515
00:25:07.915 --> 00:25:10.841
- So bettie's deceased
and actually had a funeral.

516
00:25:10.918 --> 00:25:12.251
It's not her.

517
00:25:12.327 --> 00:25:14.795
- Bettie's out.

518
00:25:14.871 --> 00:25:16.255
- We know she had
four daughters,

519
00:25:16.331 --> 00:25:17.839
But they're
all accounted for.

520
00:25:17.850 --> 00:25:19.174
- So it has to be the daughter

521
00:25:19.185 --> 00:25:21.260
Of one of those
remaining siblings.

522
00:25:21.336 --> 00:25:24.805
<i> - So we have six boys</i>
<i> that we need to figure out</i>

523
00:25:24.840 --> 00:25:27.182
Who they're married to
and every one of their kids.

524
00:25:27.193 --> 00:25:29.643
Their kids would be born
in the right time frame

525
00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:31.028
Of the 1950s.

526
00:25:31.105 --> 00:25:33.146
I guess everybody,
let's hit our computers,

527
00:25:33.181 --> 00:25:35.107
See what we can find,
find phone numbers,

528
00:25:35.183 --> 00:25:36.650
Maybe we just need
to start talking

529
00:25:36.685 --> 00:25:38.151
To some of these people too
if they're alive.

530
00:25:38.186 --> 00:25:40.871
This is the biggest lead
in over two decades.

531
00:25:44.401 --> 00:25:47.327
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

532
00:25:47.404 --> 00:25:48.546
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

533
00:25:53.476 --> 00:25:56.878
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

534
00:25:56.889 --> 00:25:59.506
<i> - So we have six boys</i>

535
00:25:59.541 --> 00:26:01.967
That we need to figure out
who they're married to

536
00:26:02.044 --> 00:26:03.677
And every one of their kids.

537
00:26:03.712 --> 00:26:05.721
- Right.
- So it has to be the daughter

538
00:26:05.731 --> 00:26:08.640
Of one of those
remaining siblings.

539
00:26:08.717 --> 00:26:11.351
- Starting out,
morgan is the first boy.

540
00:26:11.428 --> 00:26:13.353
Second boy is leo.

541
00:26:13.388 --> 00:26:15.897
- Leo.
Robert.

542
00:26:15.908 --> 00:26:18.483
- Billy.

543
00:26:18.560 --> 00:26:20.360
- And they're all still
oklahoma-based?

544
00:26:20.437 --> 00:26:21.745
- Well, we don't know
that for sure.

545
00:26:21.822 --> 00:26:23.530
We're going to have
to begin to, you know,

546
00:26:23.565 --> 00:26:24.698
Fill that out,
fill that information.

547
00:26:24.775 --> 00:26:25.916
- All right, well then,

548
00:26:25.993 --> 00:26:27.918
Let's do some more
research on all of them.

549
00:26:27.995 --> 00:26:30.245
I guess everybody,
let's hit our computers,

550
00:26:30.256 --> 00:26:31.872
See what we can find,
find phone numbers,

551
00:26:31.948 --> 00:26:33.749
Maybe we need to start talking
to some of these people too

552
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.208
If they're alive.

553
00:26:35.285 --> 00:26:36.710
- Yeah.
- Okay.

554
00:26:36.745 --> 00:26:39.588
<i> - We methodically went</i>
<i> through the siblings,</i>

555
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:41.757
Starting with his oldest
and working down,

556
00:26:41.767 --> 00:26:43.267
And trying to figure out,

557
00:26:43.344 --> 00:26:45.510
You know, who they would
have been married to.

558
00:26:45.587 --> 00:26:47.605
<i> And if any of them</i>
<i> had a daughter,</i>

559
00:26:47.681 --> 00:26:49.273
<i> That could be our jane doe.</i>

560
00:26:49.350 --> 00:26:50.849
<i> We couldn't get anywhere.</i>

561
00:26:50.926 --> 00:26:53.777
<i> But lo and behold,</i>
<i> weeks later we discovered</i>

562
00:26:53.854 --> 00:26:56.730
<i> Billy thomas,</i>
<i> bettie's brother,</i>

563
00:26:56.807 --> 00:26:58.899
<i> The only living sibling.</i>

564
00:26:58.975 --> 00:27:01.902
<i> - This whole line of siblings</i>
<i> and only one of them</i>

565
00:27:01.937 --> 00:27:04.696
<i> Was still living,</i>
<i> and that was billy.</i>

566
00:27:04.773 --> 00:27:07.908
He's now 85 years old,
in oklahoma.

567
00:27:07.984 --> 00:27:09.877
[line ringing]

568
00:27:13.115 --> 00:27:17.417
- Hey, is this billy?

569
00:27:17.494 --> 00:27:18.969
<i> - This is detective williams</i>
<i> from oregon.</i>

570
00:27:19.046 --> 00:27:22.047
<i> How are you doing?</i>

571
00:27:22.124 --> 00:27:23.965
<i> - Hoping that he could fill in</i>
<i> some of the holes,</i>

572
00:27:23.976 --> 00:27:26.810
<i> I asked billy</i>
<i> about his nieces and nephews.</i>

573
00:27:26.887 --> 00:27:29.813
- We just had a conversation,
you know,

574
00:27:29.890 --> 00:27:35.435
And he said that
he's working on this case.

575
00:27:35.512 --> 00:27:36.937
<i> I gave him what I knew.</i>

576
00:27:37.013 --> 00:27:40.440
<i> I've got five brothers,</i>
<i> I'm the sixth.</i>

577
00:27:40.475 --> 00:27:43.318
<i> Leo was my second</i>
<i> oldest brother.</i>

578
00:27:43.329 --> 00:27:46.947
Him and his wife
had three daughters.

579
00:27:46.982 --> 00:27:49.616
<i> - Billy said none of his</i>
<i> other brothers had daughters,</i>

580
00:27:49.693 --> 00:27:52.753
But leo had three girls
with jessie, his wife.

581
00:27:54.156 --> 00:27:56.340
- I don't know how
he met her or anything.

582
00:27:56.417 --> 00:28:00.010
<i> All I can tell you is they had</i>
<i> sandra, linda, and kathy.</i>

583
00:28:00.087 --> 00:28:02.462
<i> - All he knew</i>
<i> were first names.</i>

584
00:28:02.497 --> 00:28:04.682
<i> He hadn't seen them since</i>
<i> they were little kids,</i>

585
00:28:04.758 --> 00:28:08.093
So knowing that leo and jessie
had three girls

586
00:28:08.170 --> 00:28:11.471
<i> Born in about</i>
<i> the right time in the 50s,</i>

587
00:28:11.506 --> 00:28:13.432
I'm almost certain that
one of them is our doe.

588
00:28:13.508 --> 00:28:17.861
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

589
00:28:17.938 --> 00:28:20.480
<i> - Billy said the girls</i>
<i> were split up</i>

590
00:28:20.557 --> 00:28:24.576
<i> After his brother leo and</i>
<i> jessie divorced around 1959.</i>

591
00:28:27.522 --> 00:28:29.456
Here in oklahoma.

592
00:28:31.860 --> 00:28:33.994
About five miles from town.

593
00:28:34.029 --> 00:28:38.832
<i> - Then billy told us something</i>
<i> that blew this case wide open.</i>

594
00:28:38.909 --> 00:28:41.427
- Leo took kathy to oregon.

595
00:28:43.413 --> 00:28:44.838
<i> - This is big.</i>

596
00:28:44.915 --> 00:28:47.841
<i> It's the same state</i>
<i> where our jane doe was found.</i>

597
00:28:47.918 --> 00:28:49.885
<i> She's the right age.</i>

598
00:28:49.895 --> 00:28:53.722
<i> She lived not far from where</i>
<i> our victim's body was found.</i>

599
00:28:53.733 --> 00:28:58.977
<i> And her two sisters are alive,</i>
<i> living in the midwest.</i>

600
00:28:59.054 --> 00:29:02.740
<i> Kathy is the best chance</i>
<i> at being our jane doe.</i>

601
00:29:05.894 --> 00:29:08.495
- And I said "well, what do
you think happened to kathy?"

602
00:29:25.172 --> 00:29:27.598
- Leo adopted her out
to a family

603
00:29:27.674 --> 00:29:29.433
With the last name of buxton.

604
00:29:29.510 --> 00:29:31.092
He said,
"I don't how to spell it.

605
00:29:31.103 --> 00:29:33.553
I don't know where they live.
That's just what I heard."

606
00:29:33.588 --> 00:29:35.722
<i> So I have a name, buxton,</i>

607
00:29:35.757 --> 00:29:38.108
<i> And now I got to figure out</i>
<i> who linda and sandra are.</i>

608
00:29:38.185 --> 00:29:39.768
<i> How can I do that?</i>

609
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:42.854
<i> I'm like okay,</i>
<i> leo died in 1966,</i>

610
00:29:42.931 --> 00:29:46.900
<i> But jessie, I knew she died</i>
<i> in okemah, oklahoma.</i>

611
00:29:46.935 --> 00:29:48.610
Called the little
newspaper there,

612
00:29:48.621 --> 00:29:51.705
<i> Asked them if they had</i>
<i> an obituary from 2002.</i>

613
00:29:53.149 --> 00:29:56.794
<i> A relative told me that linda</i>
<i> and sandra were adopted out</i>

614
00:29:56.870 --> 00:30:01.915
<i> To a local family in okemah</i>
<i> because jessie, their mom,</i>

615
00:30:01.992 --> 00:30:04.960
<i> Wanted to continue</i>
<i> her party lifestyle,</i>

616
00:30:04.970 --> 00:30:09.973
<i> And the two little girls</i>
<i> were kind of in her way.</i>

617
00:30:10.050 --> 00:30:13.552
<i> The same relative was very</i>
<i> helpful, pointed me to linda,</i>

618
00:30:13.628 --> 00:30:14.928
<i> Kathy's sister,</i>

619
00:30:15.005 --> 00:30:17.931
<i> And actually helped me</i>
<i> get linda on the phone.</i>

620
00:30:17.966 --> 00:30:20.901
[line ringing]

621
00:30:24.973 --> 00:30:27.232
- Hey linda, this is detective
williams from oregon.

622
00:30:27.309 --> 00:30:30.068
How are you doing?

623
00:30:30.145 --> 00:30:31.611
- Good.

624
00:30:31.646 --> 00:30:33.154
- He said,
"was your dad named leo?"

625
00:30:33.165 --> 00:30:34.906
I said yes.

626
00:30:34.983 --> 00:30:37.167
"did you have a younger sister
named kathy?"

627
00:30:37.244 --> 00:30:39.661
I said yes.

628
00:30:39.672 --> 00:30:44.916
<i> He said that they</i>
<i> had a woman tied in a tarp.</i>

629
00:30:44.993 --> 00:30:48.595
<i> He wanted to know if it</i>
<i> could have been my sister.</i>

630
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.595
My dad took off
with her to oregon

631
00:30:56.671 --> 00:31:00.607
Once that sandy and I
got adopted to the same family.

632
00:31:03.345 --> 00:31:07.188
<i> And I didn't know</i>
<i> what had happened to kathy.</i>

633
00:31:07.199 --> 00:31:09.783
<i> She was just gone</i>
<i> my whole life.</i>

634
00:31:14.281 --> 00:31:19.659
- I know you've wondered
for years, where's kathy?

635
00:31:19.694 --> 00:31:21.995
- She tells me sandra,
her eldest sister,

636
00:31:22.030 --> 00:31:24.664
<i> Is a nurse at a hospital</i>
<i> in oklahoma.</i>

637
00:31:24.741 --> 00:31:28.627
<i> So I'm like,</i>
<i> well, no one's seen kathy?</i>

638
00:31:28.703 --> 00:31:30.211
<i> That fits the puzzle.</i>

639
00:31:30.222 --> 00:31:32.547
<i> Kathy is likely our doe,</i>

640
00:31:32.558 --> 00:31:34.674
<i> But we still need</i>
<i> to confirm it.</i>

641
00:31:34.709 --> 00:31:36.843
And I said, could we get
a dna sample to see

642
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:39.897
If we're on the right track?

643
00:31:39.973 --> 00:31:42.724
<i> - And I said,</i>
<i> "yes, I'll do anything I can</i>

644
00:31:42.735 --> 00:31:44.943
To find out if it was
my sister or not."

645
00:31:49.650 --> 00:31:51.617
- Yeah.

646
00:31:54.104 --> 00:31:56.821
- Well, will it also give you
some kind of sense

647
00:31:56.898 --> 00:31:59.207
Of "now you know"?

648
00:32:02.070 --> 00:32:03.995
- That dna sample,

649
00:32:04.072 --> 00:32:06.840
That's gonna be the truth
one way or another.

650
00:32:09.744 --> 00:32:12.712
<i> [tense music]</i>

651
00:32:12.747 --> 00:32:14.673
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

652
00:32:14.749 --> 00:32:16.883
- After months of research,

653
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:18.760
<i> My team and I</i>
<i> have narrowed down</i>

654
00:32:18.771 --> 00:32:21.888
<i> Jane doe's genealogy</i>
<i> to one family.</i>

655
00:32:21.923 --> 00:32:25.651
<i> We believe linda amsler</i>
<i> may be her sister.</i>

656
00:32:26.928 --> 00:32:30.355
<i> We won't know for sure</i>
<i> until we compare linda's dna</i>

657
00:32:30.432 --> 00:32:32.232
To our victim's dna.

658
00:32:32.267 --> 00:32:35.118
<i> [dramatic music]</i>

659
00:32:35.195 --> 00:32:40.031
<i> - She was just drinking</i>
<i> and running around.</i>

660
00:32:40.108 --> 00:32:41.616
- Never heard from her again.

661
00:32:41.627 --> 00:32:44.619
Didn't know the husband's name
other than a nickname.

662
00:32:44.630 --> 00:32:46.296
<i> - I seen her one time.</i>

663
00:32:46.373 --> 00:32:50.250
<i> I stopped in this little bar</i>
<i> there and she was there.</i>

664
00:32:50.326 --> 00:32:52.961
- I know that linda needed
to hear the truth,

665
00:32:52.972 --> 00:32:56.223
But it was very difficult
to break the news to her.

666
00:32:58.460 --> 00:33:01.428
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

667
00:33:01.463 --> 00:33:02.896
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

668
00:33:07.468 --> 00:33:09.936
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

669
00:33:10.013 --> 00:33:12.480
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

670
00:33:12.491 --> 00:33:16.493
<i> - We sent linda's dna</i>
<i> to dna solutions</i>

671
00:33:16.570 --> 00:33:19.487
<i> To have a compared</i>
<i> with our victim,</i>

672
00:33:19.498 --> 00:33:21.906
<i> Our doe's dna.</i>

673
00:33:21.983 --> 00:33:28.922
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

674
00:33:31.326 --> 00:33:34.627
Now we know for sure
who our jane doe is.

675
00:33:34.662 --> 00:33:36.805
It's linda's sister, kathy.

676
00:33:46.600 --> 00:33:48.808
<i> Now that we have the results,</i>

677
00:33:48.843 --> 00:33:50.977
<i> Detective williams and I</i>
<i> are heading to oklahoma</i>

678
00:33:51.054 --> 00:33:53.521
<i> To break the news</i>
<i> to linda in person.</i>

679
00:33:53.532 --> 00:33:56.775
<i> Hopefully, linda can lead us</i>
<i> to who saw kathy last,</i>

680
00:33:56.851 --> 00:33:59.244
And then ultimately
to her killer.

681
00:34:08.696 --> 00:34:10.997
<i> So linda,</i>
<i> thank you for meeting us.</i>

682
00:34:11.032 --> 00:34:13.541
I know from the first day
that we called you

683
00:34:13.552 --> 00:34:14.642
And talked to you,
this has been

684
00:34:14.644 --> 00:34:16.294
Kind of an emotional
roller coaster for you.

685
00:34:16.371 --> 00:34:17.545
- Mm-hmm.

686
00:34:17.556 --> 00:34:19.339
- Thank you for working
with us.

687
00:34:19.374 --> 00:34:21.716
I know getting a phone call out
of the blue about your sister--

688
00:34:21.727 --> 00:34:24.677
- Like you said,
out of nowhere, too.

689
00:34:24.712 --> 00:34:26.638
- I know, and it was
out of nowhere,

690
00:34:26.714 --> 00:34:28.973
And you did something
very special.

691
00:34:29.050 --> 00:34:31.351
You gave me your dna.

692
00:34:31.386 --> 00:34:33.686
I know that linda needed
to hear the truth,

693
00:34:33.721 --> 00:34:36.740
But it was very difficult
to break the news to her.

694
00:34:36.817 --> 00:34:40.285
So we do know, um...

695
00:34:44.399 --> 00:34:46.908
You are a match.
You are her sister.

696
00:34:46.919 --> 00:34:48.576
- I knew it.

697
00:34:48.587 --> 00:34:51.746
<i> [somber music]</i>

698
00:34:51.757 --> 00:34:54.040
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

699
00:34:54.075 --> 00:34:55.875
- The dna definitely confirms

700
00:34:55.910 --> 00:35:00.338
That our person that we have
is your biological sister.

701
00:35:00.415 --> 00:35:03.600
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

702
00:35:03.677 --> 00:35:06.010
- I knew it was,
in my heart.

703
00:35:06.087 --> 00:35:08.054
By looking at her picture.

704
00:35:08.131 --> 00:35:10.816
<i> We all have this nose.</i>

705
00:35:12.135 --> 00:35:15.353
<i> I didn't really want it</i>
<i> to be her.</i>

706
00:35:15.430 --> 00:35:19.357
I wanted a family
when I was young, so bad.

707
00:35:19.434 --> 00:35:23.578
And now to finally get it,
but she's gone.

708
00:35:27.626 --> 00:35:30.001
And I'll never
have my sister back.

709
00:35:34.657 --> 00:35:36.958
It would have been nice
if we'd had a real family

710
00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:38.751
Like everybody else.

711
00:35:38.786 --> 00:35:41.471
- Tell me about your family.

712
00:35:41.548 --> 00:35:46.092
<i> - Leo thomas was my dad.</i>

713
00:35:46.127 --> 00:35:49.387
<i> And jessie dodson</i>
<i> was my mother,</i>

714
00:35:49.464 --> 00:35:52.891
<i> Thomas after they got</i>
<i> married in 1949.</i>

715
00:35:52.967 --> 00:35:54.559
<i> - What about jessie?</i>

716
00:35:54.636 --> 00:35:56.811
- She was just a cool mom,

717
00:35:56.822 --> 00:35:58.771
But she was alcoholic.

718
00:35:58.806 --> 00:36:02.483
- And tell me about leo.
- He was funny.

719
00:36:02.494 --> 00:36:05.612
He was a little dude.
- [laughs]

720
00:36:05.647 --> 00:36:07.488
- Everybody was scared of him.

721
00:36:07.499 --> 00:36:09.949
I remember,
nobody messed with him.

722
00:36:09.984 --> 00:36:12.836
- Leo and jessie's marriage
wasn't a happy one,

723
00:36:12.913 --> 00:36:16.122
And it got even worse after leo
lost a limb in an accident.

724
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.009
- And he had one arm, right?
- Uh-huh, yes, he had one arm.

725
00:36:19.085 --> 00:36:22.128
What I was told is
he was playing chicken

726
00:36:22.205 --> 00:36:24.589
On the railroad track.

727
00:36:24.666 --> 00:36:27.133
<i> And I don't know</i>
<i> if it's true or not.</i>

728
00:36:27.210 --> 00:36:30.136
<i> [gentle music]</i>

729
00:36:30.213 --> 00:36:35.358
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

730
00:36:35.435 --> 00:36:36.976
- I know that you guys
were all separated

731
00:36:37.053 --> 00:36:38.519
When kathy was six.

732
00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:39.529
You would have
been seven, right?

733
00:36:39.606 --> 00:36:40.855
- Mm-hmm.

734
00:36:40.866 --> 00:36:42.774
<i> - Sandy would have</i>
<i> been around eight?</i>

735
00:36:42.850 --> 00:36:45.911
<i> - Me and sandy's a year</i>
<i> and 11 days apart.</i>

736
00:36:48.114 --> 00:36:51.708
<i> - Linda's story is</i>
<i> kind of tragic.</i>

737
00:36:51.785 --> 00:36:53.877
She had a rough childhood

738
00:36:53.954 --> 00:36:55.712
'cause, you know,
her mom gave her away

739
00:36:55.789 --> 00:36:59.624
And she kept running away
to go see her real mom.

740
00:36:59.701 --> 00:37:03.169
<i> - I love my mom</i>
<i> and I wanted to be with her.</i>

741
00:37:03.204 --> 00:37:04.837
And that's all I knew.

742
00:37:04.914 --> 00:37:08.049
I mean, even though
I was adopted to good people,

743
00:37:08.060 --> 00:37:10.843
There was something
missing in my heart,

744
00:37:10.878 --> 00:37:13.396
And I wanted my mom.

745
00:37:13.473 --> 00:37:16.066
<i> But why she got rid</i>
<i> of all of us to begin with</i>

746
00:37:16.142 --> 00:37:21.521
Is due to drinking
and running around.

747
00:37:21.597 --> 00:37:25.575
She didn't want to be tied down
to all of us kids.

748
00:37:25.652 --> 00:37:29.821
<i> - Since their father leo</i>
<i> took kathy to oregon in 1959,</i>

749
00:37:29.897 --> 00:37:33.866
<i> No one in oklahoma knew</i>
<i> what happened to her.</i>

750
00:37:33.901 --> 00:37:37.203
Then in 1977, when kathy
turned 24 years old,

751
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:39.673
Linda finally heard
from her sister.

752
00:37:42.669 --> 00:37:46.004
- She did come down here
once when she was grown.

753
00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:47.931
<i> She was flaunting money.</i>

754
00:37:48.008 --> 00:37:53.011
Kathy had left her husband,
and his name was jug.

755
00:37:53.087 --> 00:37:56.856
And that's when she showed me
pictures of the three babies.

756
00:37:59.802 --> 00:38:02.228
<i> She just left her kids</i>
<i> with him.</i>

757
00:38:02.305 --> 00:38:04.772
<i> - We always suspected</i>
<i> that kathy was a mother,</i>

758
00:38:04.783 --> 00:38:06.566
But now we have proof.

759
00:38:06.601 --> 00:38:11.112
- She said that she had
three kids then.

760
00:38:11.123 --> 00:38:13.623
I couldn't imagine her
having three

761
00:38:13.700 --> 00:38:17.744
'cause I just had the one,
but she did show me pictures.

762
00:38:17.820 --> 00:38:19.954
<i> - Do you know how old the kids</i>
<i> were in those pictures?</i>

763
00:38:19.965 --> 00:38:21.873
<i> - They was young.</i>

764
00:38:21.949 --> 00:38:25.043
<i> - We know that she's a mother,</i>
<i> so there must be</i>

765
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.554
<i> A family member out there</i>
<i> looking for her.</i>

766
00:38:29.290 --> 00:38:30.923
- For 23 years,

767
00:38:30.958 --> 00:38:33.718
I said to the people
that I was working with,

768
00:38:33.795 --> 00:38:36.596
"somewhere out there
there's somebody asking,

769
00:38:36.631 --> 00:38:38.139
'where's my mom?'
'where's my sister?'

770
00:38:38.150 --> 00:38:41.267
And that's who I want
to get the answers for."

771
00:38:41.344 --> 00:38:42.643
- But it's amazing.

772
00:38:42.654 --> 00:38:45.146
- This is better
than I expected.

773
00:38:45.157 --> 00:38:47.815
- Now there's also the
investigation of the homicide.

774
00:38:47.826 --> 00:38:49.150
- Mm-hmm.

775
00:38:49.161 --> 00:38:50.418
- That's something
that's actively being worked.

776
00:38:50.420 --> 00:38:53.738
I can't really say anything
until all of that happens.

777
00:38:53.815 --> 00:38:56.657
But we'll let you know
how that goes.

778
00:38:56.668 --> 00:38:58.084
- Yeah.

779
00:38:59.838 --> 00:39:02.622
She's finally gonna
get to rest.

780
00:39:02.698 --> 00:39:06.793
'cause nobody who she was.

781
00:39:06.869 --> 00:39:08.795
<i> [gentle music]</i>

782
00:39:08.830 --> 00:39:12.673
<i> But today it was like</i>
<i> she finally got some peace.</i>

783
00:39:12.684 --> 00:39:14.801
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

784
00:39:14.877 --> 00:39:17.762
<i> - It was a very</i>
<i> difficult conversation.</i>

785
00:39:17.839 --> 00:39:19.180
But knowing the truth,

786
00:39:19.191 --> 00:39:21.808
Hopefully this will help
linda heal.

787
00:39:21.843 --> 00:39:26.187
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

788
00:39:26.198 --> 00:39:29.357
<i> [tense music]</i>

789
00:39:29.368 --> 00:39:32.110
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

790
00:39:32.186 --> 00:39:34.153
<i> - For me,</i>
<i> this case is not over</i>

791
00:39:34.188 --> 00:39:35.947
<i> Until we can get some answers</i>

792
00:39:36.023 --> 00:39:37.874
To find out
who did this to kathy,

793
00:39:37.951 --> 00:39:39.992
And get those answers
to linda and her family.

794
00:39:40.069 --> 00:39:42.328
The good news to me
is I have a name, buxton.

795
00:39:42.363 --> 00:39:44.163
<i> So why not,</i>
<i> let's try and let's look</i>

796
00:39:44.198 --> 00:39:47.291
<i> For property owners</i>
<i> in oregon.</i>

797
00:39:47.368 --> 00:39:49.335
<i> But then the team sends me</i>

798
00:39:49.412 --> 00:39:53.339
<i> A little, tiny newspaper</i>
<i> article from 1966</i>

799
00:39:53.416 --> 00:39:55.174
<i> That listed the incident</i>

800
00:39:55.209 --> 00:40:00.730
Where kathy's father leo
and his buddy die in a car.

801
00:40:00.807 --> 00:40:03.349
<i> Leo, him and a buddy</i>
<i> get stuck in the mud.</i>

802
00:40:03.384 --> 00:40:07.019
<i> They leave the car running</i>
<i> 'cause it's too cold outside,</i>

803
00:40:07.054 --> 00:40:09.823
<i> And they asphyxiate</i>
<i> in the car.</i>

804
00:40:12.152 --> 00:40:14.694
And as is common
when people are mentioned

805
00:40:14.729 --> 00:40:16.195
In newspaper articles,

806
00:40:16.230 --> 00:40:17.905
It lists the city
that they're from.

807
00:40:17.916 --> 00:40:20.917
<i> And next to leo's name was</i>
<i> the words "oakland, oregon."</i>

808
00:40:22.945 --> 00:40:26.038
And that was the first time
we got a city in oregon

809
00:40:26.073 --> 00:40:28.633
<i> Where he's supposedly from.</i>

810
00:40:31.096 --> 00:40:33.596
<i> I know oakland is</i>
<i> a very small town.</i>

811
00:40:33.673 --> 00:40:35.173
<i> It's not like salem</i>
<i> or portland</i>

812
00:40:35.249 --> 00:40:37.383
<i> Where you got hundreds</i>
<i> of thousands of people.</i>

813
00:40:37.418 --> 00:40:39.760
So pretty quick
property search

814
00:40:39.771 --> 00:40:42.180
Of douglas county records
for the name of "buxton,"

815
00:40:42.256 --> 00:40:44.941
<i> And up popped an older couple,</i>
<i> so I gave them a call.</i>

816
00:40:45.018 --> 00:40:46.943
<i> He was more than helpful,</i>
<i> but he was like</i>

817
00:40:47.020 --> 00:40:49.395
<i> "I'm sorry, I don't know the</i>
<i> names you're throwing out."</i>

818
00:40:49.430 --> 00:40:51.189
I was about to hang up
with him and he said,

819
00:40:51.265 --> 00:40:53.274
"you know, people used to ask
me when I moved here

820
00:40:53.285 --> 00:40:55.359
If I'm related
to richard buxton,"

821
00:40:55.436 --> 00:40:57.403
Who I guess has been
around here forever.

822
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:58.955
<i> So I called richard,</i>

823
00:40:59.032 --> 00:41:01.073
I started to tell him
a little bit about my case,

824
00:41:01.108 --> 00:41:02.792
And he interrupted me
and he said,

825
00:41:02.869 --> 00:41:05.411
"is this about
my adopted sister kathy?"

826
00:41:05.488 --> 00:41:08.456
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

827
00:41:08.467 --> 00:41:09.883
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

828
00:41:14.454 --> 00:41:16.923
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

829
00:41:16.958 --> 00:41:19.926
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

830
00:41:19.961 --> 00:41:23.638
<i> - 23 years after</i>
<i> our jane doe was murdered,</i>

831
00:41:23.648 --> 00:41:26.933
<i> We finally know her name</i>
<i> is kathy thomas,</i>

832
00:41:26.968 --> 00:41:29.652
<i> Born in oklahoma.</i>

833
00:41:29.729 --> 00:41:32.271
<i> Kathy's father, leo,</i>

834
00:41:32.348 --> 00:41:36.484
Took six-year-old
kathy to oregon in 1959,

835
00:41:36.495 --> 00:41:40.330
<i> And adopted her out</i>
<i> to a family named buxton.</i>

836
00:41:41.691 --> 00:41:44.325
<i> - Kathy's adopted brother,</i>
<i> richard, lives in oregon.</i>

837
00:41:44.336 --> 00:41:45.952
<i> We're on our way to see him</i>
<i> to find out</i>

838
00:41:46.028 --> 00:41:48.955
<i> What he knows about kathy.</i>

839
00:41:49.031 --> 00:41:51.457
Which I knew was
a small town in oregon,

840
00:41:51.492 --> 00:41:55.586
So that caused me to search
property records in oakland

841
00:41:55.663 --> 00:41:57.514
For someone named buxton,

842
00:41:57.590 --> 00:41:59.966
And I found an old couple
who are in their 80s,

843
00:42:00.001 --> 00:42:01.801
And they didn't know
anything about the names

844
00:42:01.836 --> 00:42:04.354
I was giving them,
but right before I hung up,

845
00:42:04.430 --> 00:42:06.472
They said,
"people used to always ask me,

846
00:42:06.507 --> 00:42:08.474
'are you related
to richard buxton?'"

847
00:42:08.509 --> 00:42:10.643
- Right.
- And so I thought, well,

848
00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:13.688
Let's try to find richard,
and I did find him.

849
00:42:13.698 --> 00:42:15.815
When I started
talking to richard,

850
00:42:15.850 --> 00:42:17.534
Telling him a little bit
about our case,

851
00:42:17.610 --> 00:42:19.527
And he interrupted me
and said,

852
00:42:19.538 --> 00:42:22.321
"is this about
my adopted sister kathy?"

853
00:42:22.398 --> 00:42:23.990
I was just speechless.

854
00:42:24.025 --> 00:42:25.875
You know, I'm like,
here we are.

855
00:42:25.952 --> 00:42:27.785
I found somebody
who knows kathy.

856
00:42:27.862 --> 00:42:29.996
He said, "well,
her dad's name was leo.

857
00:42:30.031 --> 00:42:31.789
Her mom's name was jessie."

858
00:42:31.866 --> 00:42:33.716
I'm like,
"oh, richard, you and I

859
00:42:33.793 --> 00:42:35.385
Are going to be doing
a lot of talking, I think."

860
00:42:35.461 --> 00:42:36.569
- A lot of talking.

861
00:42:36.646 --> 00:42:39.714
<i> We've just got such huge gaps</i>
<i> in kathy's life,</i>

862
00:42:39.724 --> 00:42:43.726
So it would be nice to fill
in some of these blanks.

863
00:42:50.569 --> 00:42:52.944
There we go.

864
00:42:57.725 --> 00:43:00.618
- Hi, rick. Nice to meet you.
- You too.

865
00:43:04.899 --> 00:43:07.658
- I think so.

866
00:43:07.735 --> 00:43:08.843
- Oh, sweet!

867
00:43:08.845 --> 00:43:11.588
- My wife dug out stuff out
of an old cedar chest

868
00:43:11.664 --> 00:43:13.581
That I had ended up with.

869
00:43:13.592 --> 00:43:16.375
Didn't even know
I had all this stuff.

870
00:43:16.452 --> 00:43:18.511
- Oh, my god, look how cute
you guys look.

871
00:43:20.581 --> 00:43:21.781
<i> Richard was six years old,</i>

872
00:43:21.858 --> 00:43:25.727
<i> The same age kathy was,</i>
<i> when kathy arrived with leo.</i>

873
00:43:27.088 --> 00:43:29.430
- There are some
teenage ones in there.

874
00:43:29.441 --> 00:43:31.524
- Mm-hmm.
- Probably junior high.

875
00:43:33.686 --> 00:43:36.613
<i> - Richard's parents,</i>
<i> ailene and orlin buxton,</i>

876
00:43:36.689 --> 00:43:38.615
<i> Owned several properties.</i>

877
00:43:38.691 --> 00:43:43.903
One they rented to leo
and kathy around 1960.

878
00:43:43.938 --> 00:43:48.699
- This is the house
that her and leo stayed in

879
00:43:48.776 --> 00:43:50.618
When they came.

880
00:43:50.629 --> 00:43:51.961
They lived in this room
up here.

881
00:43:54.824 --> 00:43:57.375
<i> My mom had made all these</i>
<i> into apartments,</i>

882
00:43:57.451 --> 00:44:00.586
Little single room,
and they stayed up there.

883
00:44:00.663 --> 00:44:02.922
- These are amazing.
Why don't we do this?

884
00:44:02.998 --> 00:44:04.474
Why don't we take a drive

885
00:44:04.550 --> 00:44:06.809
Out to the house
where you guys grew up?

886
00:44:06.886 --> 00:44:10.396
- Yeah.
- We'll just follow you.

887
00:44:19.014 --> 00:44:21.649
<i> - It's changed a lot, huh?</i>
<i> - Okay.</i>
<i> - Yep.</i>

888
00:44:21.660 --> 00:44:22.950
This was your guys' house?

889
00:44:25.146 --> 00:44:27.655
- When you first met kathy,
you were an only child, right?

890
00:44:27.666 --> 00:44:28.823
- Mm-hmm.

891
00:44:28.833 --> 00:44:31.617
- So what was it like
having her around?

892
00:44:31.694 --> 00:44:33.670
<i> - She'd come walking up</i>
<i> every morning,</i>

893
00:44:33.746 --> 00:44:35.621
<i> My mom would let her</i>
<i> come in and eat</i>

894
00:44:35.698 --> 00:44:37.081
<i> Because she never</i>
<i> had anything.</i>

895
00:44:37.158 --> 00:44:38.916
<i> She didn't have any shoes.</i>

896
00:44:38.993 --> 00:44:41.127
<i> We had a heck of a time</i>
<i> getting her to wear shoes.</i>

897
00:44:41.162 --> 00:44:43.671
I can remember a story

898
00:44:43.682 --> 00:44:45.798
That her dad
would go into a beer joint.

899
00:44:45.833 --> 00:44:47.425
Shouldn't have even took a kid
in a beer joint,

900
00:44:47.501 --> 00:44:48.467
But you could back then.

901
00:44:48.502 --> 00:44:50.687
<i> She could sing.</i>

902
00:44:50.763 --> 00:44:54.807
<i> And she would sing</i>
<i> and pass the hat.</i>

903
00:44:54.842 --> 00:44:56.142
- Maybe that's
why he took her?

904
00:44:56.177 --> 00:44:58.144
He figured she could
make money for them.

905
00:44:58.179 --> 00:45:00.521
- Oh, I think he'd just
make food, is what I think,

906
00:45:00.532 --> 00:45:02.690
Or beer.

907
00:45:02.701 --> 00:45:04.701
- Horrible life for a kid.

908
00:45:04.777 --> 00:45:08.037
- Yeah.

909
00:45:08.114 --> 00:45:10.581
<i> Her dad was a loser.</i>

910
00:45:14.695 --> 00:45:16.996
<i> - Richard's mother,</i>
<i> ailene buxton,</i>

911
00:45:17.031 --> 00:45:18.998
<i> Took kathy under her wing</i>

912
00:45:19.033 --> 00:45:22.168
<i> And became a positive</i>
<i> influence in her life.</i>

913
00:45:22.203 --> 00:45:25.129
She even set up a bedroom
inside their home for kathy,

914
00:45:25.206 --> 00:45:27.840
<i> And bought her clothes.</i>

915
00:45:27.875 --> 00:45:30.176
<i> - She'd come up</i>
<i> and never leave and--</i>

916
00:45:30.211 --> 00:45:32.887
<i> [laughs]</i>
<i> - became a permanent guest?</i>

917
00:45:32.897 --> 00:45:35.055
- Did leo bring up the idea of
the adoption or did your mom?

918
00:45:35.066 --> 00:45:36.733
- My mom.

919
00:45:36.809 --> 00:45:40.903
<i> Leo left to go find work</i>
<i> and never come back.</i>

920
00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:43.189
<i> And then he got in contact</i>
<i> with my mom</i>

921
00:45:43.265 --> 00:45:47.744
<i> And he was up against it,</i>
<i> and my mom sent him $5,000,</i>

922
00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:49.820
<i> Which was a lot of money</i>
<i> in 1960.</i>

923
00:45:49.897 --> 00:45:51.572
<i> - Sure.</i>
<i> - Yeah it was.</i>

924
00:45:51.583 --> 00:45:54.000
- And he signed
the adoption papers.

925
00:45:55.945 --> 00:45:59.005
<i> - She became richard's</i>
<i> adopted sister.</i>

926
00:46:00.925 --> 00:46:03.167
- My mother wanted a daughter.

927
00:46:03.244 --> 00:46:04.752
They couldn't have any kids.

928
00:46:04.763 --> 00:46:07.922
They adopted me when I was,
like, a newborn.

929
00:46:07.932 --> 00:46:11.217
<i> - Growing up, kathy and</i>
<i> richard lost their adopted dad</i>

930
00:46:11.293 --> 00:46:12.769
<i> To heart disease,</i>

931
00:46:12.845 --> 00:46:15.930
<i> But kathy became close</i>
<i> to her new mom, ailene.</i>

932
00:46:15.940 --> 00:46:20.768
<i> Ten years later, in 1970,</i>
<i> ailene became ill with cancer.</i>

933
00:46:20.779 --> 00:46:23.946
<i> It hit kathy</i>
<i> particularly hard.</i>

934
00:46:24.023 --> 00:46:26.949
<i> [gentle music]</i>

935
00:46:27.026 --> 00:46:28.526
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

936
00:46:28.602 --> 00:46:32.071
<i> So when kathy meets</i>
<i> 18-year-old carl tracy,</i>

937
00:46:32.147 --> 00:46:35.741
<i> She was very vulnerable.</i>

938
00:46:35.818 --> 00:46:39.620
<i> Though kathy was only 16,</i>
<i> she and carl tied the knot.</i>

939
00:46:39.631 --> 00:46:41.798
<i> Soon after,</i>
<i> she was pregnant.</i>

940
00:46:41.874 --> 00:46:44.801
<i> They were both teenagers,</i>
<i> so it was no shock</i>

941
00:46:44.877 --> 00:46:46.928
<i> That the relationship</i>
<i> didn't last long.</i>

942
00:46:49.215 --> 00:46:51.966
<i> - They got married</i>
<i> in August of '70.</i>

943
00:46:51.976 --> 00:46:54.227
They got divorced
in April of '71.

944
00:46:59.300 --> 00:47:00.817
And he left the state
almost immediately

945
00:47:00.893 --> 00:47:02.652
<i> And joined the navy.</i>

946
00:47:02.728 --> 00:47:06.105
I don't know if carl
paid child support.

947
00:47:06.140 --> 00:47:10.776
<i> Hard to know what carl</i>
<i> actually thought at the time.</i>

948
00:47:10.853 --> 00:47:13.153
<i> Carl's actions</i>
<i> are certainly suspect.</i>

949
00:47:13.164 --> 00:47:14.822
Perhaps he didn't want
to be tied down

950
00:47:14.833 --> 00:47:16.833
With a child
or child support.

951
00:47:23.198 --> 00:47:25.666
<i> - Kathy gives birth</i>
<i> to a daughter in July.</i>

952
00:47:25.677 --> 00:47:29.795
<i> She names her tina ailene,</i>
<i> in honor of her sick mom.</i>

953
00:47:29.830 --> 00:47:32.798
<i> [gentle music]</i>

954
00:47:32.833 --> 00:47:39.772
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

955
00:47:40.859 --> 00:47:42.766
<i> Really, the only people</i>
<i> that truly cared</i>

956
00:47:42.843 --> 00:47:44.310
<i> About her was your mom,</i>

957
00:47:44.345 --> 00:47:46.979
And then she lost her at such
a young, vulnerable age.

958
00:47:47.014 --> 00:47:49.189
- Her security blanket
was gone.

959
00:47:49.200 --> 00:47:50.700
- Yeah.

960
00:47:50.776 --> 00:47:53.319
<i> In her will,</i>
<i> ailene left a large estate</i>

961
00:47:53.395 --> 00:47:58.782
<i> To richard and kathy</i>
<i> to split when they turned 25.</i>

962
00:47:58.859 --> 00:48:00.877
- A couple years later,
she was broke

963
00:48:00.953 --> 00:48:04.288
And wanted to sell her part
of the escrow that we'd set up.

964
00:48:04.365 --> 00:48:06.165
And I tried to talk her
out of it.

965
00:48:06.241 --> 00:48:07.333
If she would have kept it,

966
00:48:07.368 --> 00:48:11.170
It would have amounted
to $360,000.

967
00:48:11.205 --> 00:48:14.965
She would have had $1,000
a month coming for 30 years.

968
00:48:15.042 --> 00:48:17.676
- Starting when you were 25.
- Yes.

969
00:48:17.711 --> 00:48:20.179
I mean, that don't sound
like much now, but it was then.

970
00:48:20.214 --> 00:48:23.566
- She just wanted the money.
- She wanted out.

971
00:48:24.736 --> 00:48:27.978
She sold me her part
of the escrow.

972
00:48:28.055 --> 00:48:30.648
It was a bad choice.
Very bad choice.

973
00:48:30.724 --> 00:48:32.358
- Very bad choice,
versus hanging onto it.

974
00:48:32.393 --> 00:48:33.359
- Yeah.

975
00:48:33.394 --> 00:48:36.362
<i> [somber music]</i>

976
00:48:36.397 --> 00:48:41.200
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

977
00:48:41.235 --> 00:48:43.252
- Tina's entitled
to kathy's share of that.

978
00:48:43.329 --> 00:48:45.871
- Yeah.
- And I still got it.

979
00:48:45.906 --> 00:48:47.831
- And your mom, I'm sure,
would feel the same way.

980
00:48:47.908 --> 00:48:52.086
- Yeah, but I'm afraid
tina ain't with us.

981
00:48:52.096 --> 00:48:54.088
I don't know
who told me that,

982
00:48:54.098 --> 00:48:56.382
But somebody said that
that tina had passed away.

983
00:48:56.458 --> 00:49:03.097
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

984
00:49:03.107 --> 00:49:07.017
<i> - Richard told us that kathy's</i>
<i> daughter tina died.</i>

985
00:49:07.094 --> 00:49:10.321
<i> But we have to find out</i>
<i> if that's true.</i>

986
00:49:11.950 --> 00:49:14.951
<i> But a search for tina ailene</i>
<i> comes up empty.</i>

987
00:49:15.027 --> 00:49:17.236
<i> So we need to track down</i>
<i> carl tracy,</i>

988
00:49:17.312 --> 00:49:20.289
<i> Kathy's ex-husband,</i>
<i> tina's father.</i>

989
00:49:20.366 --> 00:49:22.866
<i> Does he know anything</i>
<i> about kathy's murder?</i>

990
00:49:22.943 --> 00:49:25.703
<i> Spouses, whether they are</i>
<i> still married or not,</i>

991
00:49:25.779 --> 00:49:29.298
Are always potential suspects.

992
00:49:29.375 --> 00:49:33.135
- We're trying to find out
more information about her.

993
00:49:42.388 --> 00:49:44.430
- Why do you doubt
that they got divorced?

994
00:49:47.468 --> 00:49:50.436
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

995
00:49:50.471 --> 00:49:52.029
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

996
00:49:56.343 --> 00:49:59.778
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

997
00:49:59.813 --> 00:50:02.781
<i> [tense music]</i>

998
00:50:02.816 --> 00:50:07.745
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

999
00:50:07.821 --> 00:50:11.582
<i> - In oregon, kathy's adopted</i>
<i> brother, richard buxton,</i>

1000
00:50:11.658 --> 00:50:13.917
<i> Told us that kathy</i>
<i> had given birth</i>

1001
00:50:13.994 --> 00:50:18.431
To a daughter named tina ailene
when she was 17 years old.

1002
00:50:20.834 --> 00:50:24.136
<i> Richard also revealed</i>
<i> that kathy had married</i>

1003
00:50:24.171 --> 00:50:26.472
<i> And divorced the father,</i>
<i> carl tracy.</i>

1004
00:50:26.507 --> 00:50:29.266
<i> We have to find out</i>
<i> if carl knows anything</i>

1005
00:50:29.343 --> 00:50:32.153
About his ex-wife's murder,
but first we have to find him.

1006
00:50:33.531 --> 00:50:37.691
- The records I found show that
he lived in the las vegas area.

1007
00:50:37.702 --> 00:50:40.786
[line ringing]

1008
00:50:44.450 --> 00:50:46.450
- Hey, is this carl tracy?

1009
00:50:46.527 --> 00:50:47.634
My name's john williams,
I'm a detective

1010
00:50:47.636 --> 00:50:51.789
With the polk county
sheriff's office up in oregon.

1011
00:50:51.865 --> 00:50:53.791
Wanted to know if you might
have a few minutes

1012
00:50:53.867 --> 00:50:55.793
I could talk to you
about kathy,

1013
00:50:55.869 --> 00:50:57.803
Who you were married to
years ago?

1014
00:51:00.374 --> 00:51:01.840
- The information
I've been able to find

1015
00:51:01.875 --> 00:51:04.176
Was that she had
a girl with you,

1016
00:51:04.211 --> 00:51:06.178
And I think
her name was tina,

1017
00:51:06.213 --> 00:51:09.848
But we've not been able to find
any information about tina.

1018
00:51:09.883 --> 00:51:12.276
We were hoping
that she might have--

1019
00:51:17.391 --> 00:51:19.742
- Okay.

1020
00:51:19.819 --> 00:51:21.485
<i> This might actually be true,</i>

1021
00:51:21.562 --> 00:51:23.862
<i> 'cause kathy has family</i>
<i> out in oklahoma.</i>

1022
00:51:23.897 --> 00:51:26.740
So I felt this was the time
now I could reveal to carl

1023
00:51:26.751 --> 00:51:27.866
A little more about kathy.

1024
00:51:27.901 --> 00:51:30.494
<i> Kathy is deceased,</i>

1025
00:51:30.571 --> 00:51:32.838
<i> And we're trying to find out</i>
<i> what happened to her.</i>

1026
00:51:36.910 --> 00:51:40.221
- Did you ever see her
after you guys got divorced?

1027
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.652
<i> - Did you see her with</i>
<i> somebody or not at all?</i>

1028
00:51:59.933 --> 00:52:02.234
- When carl said the name
jug gardner,

1029
00:52:02.269 --> 00:52:05.529
That immediately
rang a bell.

1030
00:52:05.606 --> 00:52:08.740
Linda told me that when kathy
came out for that visit,

1031
00:52:08.817 --> 00:52:10.868
That her husband's name
was jug.

1032
00:52:10.944 --> 00:52:12.870
Did you ever hear
that she got married to him

1033
00:52:12.946 --> 00:52:14.880
After she got married to you?

1034
00:52:16.491 --> 00:52:17.916
- Yeah.

1035
00:52:17.993 --> 00:52:20.761
- Okay.

1036
00:52:25.334 --> 00:52:26.884
<i> - Okay.</i>

1037
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.720
<i> - Well, thank you, carl.</i>

1038
00:52:29.796 --> 00:52:32.764
- Detective williams finds
no evidence linking carl tracy

1039
00:52:32.799 --> 00:52:34.766
<i> To his ex-wife's murder.</i>

1040
00:52:34.843 --> 00:52:36.768
- When carl and kathy
got divorced,

1041
00:52:36.803 --> 00:52:39.605
He joined the navy and then
once he got out of the navy,

1042
00:52:39.681 --> 00:52:42.399
He's been living in nevada,
and have been for decades.

1043
00:52:42.476 --> 00:52:45.277
There was no evidence
that carl was in oregon

1044
00:52:45.354 --> 00:52:47.946
At the time kathy was killed.

1045
00:52:47.981 --> 00:52:50.499
<i> - Now, we need to find out</i>
<i> what we can</i>

1046
00:52:50.576 --> 00:52:53.285
<i> About james gardner,</i>
<i> nicknamed jug.</i>

1047
00:52:53.362 --> 00:52:56.505
Is he still possibly
in the area?

1048
00:52:57.917 --> 00:53:00.584
<i> - We looked at birth records,</i>
<i> marriage records,</i>

1049
00:53:00.661 --> 00:53:03.420
<i> Employment records,</i>

1050
00:53:03.497 --> 00:53:06.432
And james "jug" gardner
was a laborer.

1051
00:53:07.927 --> 00:53:10.636
And what was interesting,
he rented an apartment

1052
00:53:10.671 --> 00:53:12.763
In the same building
that kathy lived in,

1053
00:53:12.839 --> 00:53:15.766
And they must have
hit it off.

1054
00:53:15.842 --> 00:53:18.101
<i> - At the time,</i>
<i> kathy was all alone.</i>

1055
00:53:18.178 --> 00:53:20.520
<i> She never had</i>
<i> any close friends,</i>

1056
00:53:20.531 --> 00:53:22.981
Probably stemming
from being abandoned

1057
00:53:23.016 --> 00:53:24.816
By her biological parents.

1058
00:53:24.893 --> 00:53:28.654
<i> Just 18 years old and with</i>
<i> an infant daughter to raise,</i>

1059
00:53:28.730 --> 00:53:32.541
<i> Kathy turns to jug</i>
<i> for support.</i>

1060
00:53:32.618 --> 00:53:36.545
<i> According to court records,</i>
<i> the couple marry in December,</i>

1061
00:53:36.622 --> 00:53:39.381
<i> Two months</i>
<i> after her mother's death.</i>

1062
00:53:41.034 --> 00:53:44.336
Birth certificates
reveal that in 1973,

1063
00:53:44.413 --> 00:53:48.966
<i> Kathy gave birth to her</i>
<i> second child, james, jr.,</i>

1064
00:53:49.042 --> 00:53:53.412
<i> And then her third child,</i>
<i> candice, in 1974.</i>

1065
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.643
<i> Kathy and james gardner</i>
<i> had split up.</i>

1066
00:53:59.720 --> 00:54:01.728
<i> We need to find</i>
<i> husband number two.</i>

1067
00:54:01.739 --> 00:54:03.730
<i> He might know something more</i>

1068
00:54:03.741 --> 00:54:07.785
<i> About where kathy was</i>
<i> the night she was killed.</i>

1069
00:54:09.062 --> 00:54:10.988
<i> - James gardner,</i>
<i> second husband,</i>

1070
00:54:11.064 --> 00:54:13.365
<i> Had a lot of addresses</i>
<i> in his history.</i>

1071
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:16.585
A lot of phone numbers.
They were all disconnected.

1072
00:54:16.662 --> 00:54:18.537
<i> I was lucky enough</i>
<i> to reach his sister.</i>

1073
00:54:18.613 --> 00:54:20.422
<i> She was not close to james.</i>

1074
00:54:20.499 --> 00:54:22.416
<i> She said, "I don't really</i>
<i> know where he's at,</i>

1075
00:54:22.426 --> 00:54:25.585
<i> But he's in sutherland</i>
<i> somewhere."</i>

1076
00:54:25.596 --> 00:54:28.588
<i> [suspenseful music]</i>

1077
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:35.604
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1078
00:54:42.929 --> 00:54:44.938
So it's this side
of the street.

1079
00:54:44.949 --> 00:54:46.898
It's probably that
blue house right there.

1080
00:54:46.933 --> 00:54:49.860
There's a lady.
I'm gonna go talk to her.

1081
00:54:49.936 --> 00:54:51.453
- You go knock on the door,

1082
00:54:51.530 --> 00:54:54.031
And I can listen in the car
what's going on.

1083
00:54:54.107 --> 00:54:57.075
- Hi there!

1084
00:54:57.110 --> 00:54:58.869
I work for the polk county
sheriff's office

1085
00:54:58.945 --> 00:55:01.038
Up in the salem area.

1086
00:55:01.114 --> 00:55:04.207
I was trying to find
a guy named james gardner.

1087
00:55:04.284 --> 00:55:07.210
Does he live here?

1088
00:55:07.287 --> 00:55:09.713
- Well, he's not in trouble.

1089
00:55:09.790 --> 00:55:11.724
He's my I.D.

1090
00:55:13.126 --> 00:55:15.552
- I'm in the car watching
and listening,

1091
00:55:15.629 --> 00:55:18.480
I'm not sure who the woman is,
maybe james' wife,

1092
00:55:18.557 --> 00:55:21.600
But I hope she can convince
him to come out and talk.

1093
00:55:21.676 --> 00:55:23.769
- Hey, are you james?

1094
00:55:23.804 --> 00:55:26.572
- My name's john williams.

1095
00:55:28.809 --> 00:55:32.411
- Kathy's been missing
for about 23 years, since '96.

1096
00:55:33.664 --> 00:55:37.416
- And we're trying to find
out more information about her.

1097
00:55:47.828 --> 00:55:51.254
- I've got a helper helping me
with this investigation.

1098
00:55:51.331 --> 00:55:54.725
Do you mind if she walks over
and joins in the conversation?

1099
00:55:59.172 --> 00:56:01.932
- James, this is yolanda.
- Hi.

1100
00:56:02.008 --> 00:56:03.141
- Without mentioning
that kathy was dead,

1101
00:56:03.176 --> 00:56:05.143
We asked james
about their relationship.

1102
00:56:05.178 --> 00:56:07.646
- When you guys got married,

1103
00:56:07.722 --> 00:56:10.816
I think it was like in '71,

1104
00:56:10.851 --> 00:56:12.826
Did she have a kid?

1105
00:56:14.538 --> 00:56:16.038
- My understanding
is that you guys

1106
00:56:16.115 --> 00:56:18.665
Had two kids together.

1107
00:56:21.194 --> 00:56:23.045
- What happened with the kids

1108
00:56:23.122 --> 00:56:25.589
When you got divorced
from kathy?

1109
00:56:39.379 --> 00:56:40.679
- Okay.

1110
00:56:40.714 --> 00:56:43.807
James was told
by oklahoma child welfare

1111
00:56:43.884 --> 00:56:46.059
That kathy had the kids
removed from her

1112
00:56:46.070 --> 00:56:48.979
Because she would leave
them alone, unattended.

1113
00:56:49.055 --> 00:56:51.064
<i> And at the time,</i>
<i> they would have been five,</i>

1114
00:56:51.075 --> 00:56:52.732
<i> Six, seven years old.</i>

1115
00:56:52.743 --> 00:56:55.068
And all three got put
into foster care?

1116
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.162
- And they were adopted out?

1117
00:56:58.582 --> 00:57:00.907
<i> - It sounds like history</i>
<i> is repeating itself.</i>

1118
00:57:00.918 --> 00:57:02.701
<i> Kathy and her</i>
<i> biological sisters</i>

1119
00:57:02.736 --> 00:57:04.327
<i> Were separated</i>
<i> from their parents</i>

1120
00:57:04.404 --> 00:57:08.331
<i> When they were about</i>
<i> the same age as kathy's kids.</i>

1121
00:57:08.408 --> 00:57:12.210
<i> I'm not a therapist, but I can</i>
<i> see how kathy's troubled past</i>

1122
00:57:12.245 --> 00:57:15.172
Affected her ability
to have a normal relationship,

1123
00:57:15.248 --> 00:57:18.175
Or to parent
three small children.

1124
00:57:18.251 --> 00:57:22.179
<i> James may have been upset with</i>
<i> kathy for losing his kids,</i>

1125
00:57:22.255 --> 00:57:23.847
<i> But that's not all.</i>

1126
00:57:23.924 --> 00:57:25.765
<i> Money may have also</i>
<i> played a part.</i>

1127
00:57:25.776 --> 00:57:28.944
Kathy was due to inherit
a fortune when she turned 25.

1128
00:57:29.021 --> 00:57:30.687
<i> In my book,</i>

1129
00:57:30.764 --> 00:57:33.773
<i> That's a strong motivation</i>
<i> if they were still married.</i>

1130
00:57:33.784 --> 00:57:37.870
- Did she ever receive any kind
of inheritance from her mom?

1131
00:57:46.797 --> 00:57:48.246
- But you didn't see
any of that

1132
00:57:48.281 --> 00:57:50.048
When you are married to kathy?

1133
00:57:52.136 --> 00:57:53.886
- Okay.

1134
00:58:00.644 --> 00:58:03.887
<i> - James gardner last saw kathy</i>
<i> years before her death.</i>

1135
00:58:03.964 --> 00:58:06.648
And he was living
in southern oregon,

1136
00:58:06.725 --> 00:58:08.725
And there's
really nothing to show

1137
00:58:08.802 --> 00:58:11.570
<i> That he had anything</i>
<i> to do with her death.</i>

1138
00:58:17.310 --> 00:58:20.078
- Whatever happened with tina?

1139
00:58:20.998 --> 00:58:23.240
<i> - I'm not sure on that.</i>

1140
00:58:23.316 --> 00:58:26.084
<i> - Do you still have contact</i>
<i> with james and candy?</i>

1141
00:58:28.363 --> 00:58:30.288
- Okay.
- All right.

1142
00:58:30.365 --> 00:58:31.831
- Well...

1143
00:58:31.842 --> 00:58:34.668
- No, you gave us some
information we didn't have,

1144
00:58:34.678 --> 00:58:36.678
So we appreciate it.

1145
00:58:36.755 --> 00:58:39.839
- Candice and james found
their biological father.

1146
00:58:39.850 --> 00:58:43.426
<i> Could they have reconnected</i>
<i> with kathy before her death?</i>

1147
00:58:43.503 --> 00:58:45.020
<i> We've got to find them.</i>

1148
00:58:45.097 --> 00:58:47.689
<i> - Uncle billy who told us</i>
<i> that those kids may still</i>

1149
00:58:47.766 --> 00:58:50.308
<i> Be living in oklahoma,</i>
<i> and sure enough,</i>

1150
00:58:50.343 --> 00:58:53.937
I found a number
for candice thomas in tulsa.

1151
00:58:54.014 --> 00:58:56.106
I've been wanting to call her,
but I really don't have

1152
00:58:56.182 --> 00:58:58.275
The heart to break the news
over the telephone

1153
00:58:58.351 --> 00:59:00.318
That her mother passed away.

1154
00:59:00.395 --> 00:59:03.321
<i> [tense music]</i>

1155
00:59:03.398 --> 00:59:10.379
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1156
00:59:12.532 --> 00:59:14.291
<i> Hi candy,</i>
<i> my name's john williams.</i>

1157
00:59:14.367 --> 00:59:16.459
<i> I'm a detective with the polk</i>
<i> county sheriff's office</i>

1158
00:59:16.536 --> 00:59:17.836
<i> Up in oregon.</i>

1159
00:59:17.871 --> 00:59:19.054
<i> How are you doing?</i>

1160
00:59:19.131 --> 00:59:20.463
<i> - The reason I'm calling</i>

1161
00:59:20.540 --> 00:59:24.134
<i> Is I've had a case</i>
<i> for about 23 years,</i>

1162
00:59:24.210 --> 00:59:27.646
<i> And we've determined that it</i>
<i> involves your mother, kathy.</i>

1163
00:59:38.433 --> 00:59:41.359
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

1164
00:59:41.394 --> 00:59:42.995
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1165
00:59:46.324 --> 00:59:48.867
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

1166
00:59:48.902 --> 00:59:49.868
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1167
00:59:49.903 --> 00:59:53.705
<i> [gentle music]</i>

1168
00:59:53.782 --> 00:59:57.208
<i> - For the past 11 months,</i>
<i> detective williams and I</i>

1169
00:59:57.285 --> 01:00:00.587
<i> Have been trying to track down</i>
<i> what happened to kathy thomas</i>

1170
01:00:00.598 --> 01:00:04.507
<i> And if her first child, tina,</i>
<i> is still alive.</i>

1171
01:00:04.584 --> 01:00:09.888
<i> We located her youngest child,</i>
<i> candice thomas, in oklahoma,</i>

1172
01:00:09.923 --> 01:00:12.190
<i> To find out</i>
<i> what she might know.</i>

1173
01:00:42.806 --> 01:00:44.798
- This was such
an incredible moment

1174
01:00:44.808 --> 01:00:47.258
For detective williams and I.

1175
01:00:47.293 --> 01:00:50.646
<i> Everyone thought that something</i>
<i> possibly happened to tina,</i>

1176
01:00:50.722 --> 01:00:53.765
<i> And now both of us couldn't be</i>
<i> more excited to know</i>

1177
01:00:53.842 --> 01:00:55.642
<i> That tina's here and well.</i>

1178
01:00:55.653 --> 01:00:58.645
<i> [uneasy music]</i>

1179
01:00:58.656 --> 01:01:03.566
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1180
01:01:03.643 --> 01:01:06.277
<i> Well, I am hoping that candy</i>
<i> is still in touch with tina.</i>

1181
01:01:06.312 --> 01:01:08.613
- Yeah.

1182
01:01:08.690 --> 01:01:11.324
- It's just gonna be
an emotional moment.

1183
01:01:11.335 --> 01:01:13.493
'cause for the first time,
you are going to hear

1184
01:01:13.504 --> 01:01:17.831
That your mother was murdered
23 years ago.

1185
01:01:17.841 --> 01:01:20.417
- It's a death notification,
it really is.

1186
01:01:20.493 --> 01:01:21.510
- Mm-hmm.

1187
01:01:21.586 --> 01:01:24.471
- I've done a few of those,
and they're not pleasant.

1188
01:01:27.759 --> 01:01:31.636
- This should be five and
maybe the next one is seven.

1189
01:01:31.713 --> 01:01:34.806
All right, here we go.

1190
01:01:34.883 --> 01:01:38.527
[dog barking distantly]

1191
01:01:38.603 --> 01:01:40.570
[knocking on door]

1192
01:01:42.700 --> 01:01:45.442
- Hi. Are you candy?
- Yep.

1193
01:01:45.518 --> 01:01:46.860
Candice is what I go by.
Both: Candice.

1194
01:01:46.870 --> 01:01:48.445
- Candice.
- All right. John williams.

1195
01:01:48.521 --> 01:01:50.530
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, yolanda mcclary.

1196
01:01:50.541 --> 01:01:51.656
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.

1197
01:01:51.691 --> 01:01:52.824
Well, thank you
for seeing us.

1198
01:01:52.859 --> 01:01:55.794
<i> [gentle music]</i>

1199
01:02:07.373 --> 01:02:09.307
[candice sighs]

1200
01:02:17.568 --> 01:02:23.897
- The only memories that I have
was from the foster home on.

1201
01:02:23.907 --> 01:02:27.859
I have no visual memories

1202
01:02:27.894 --> 01:02:29.861
Of james or kathy at all.

1203
01:02:29.896 --> 01:02:32.363
My mom and dad kept
all the details from us.

1204
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.032
Everybody knew but us,
which, I mean,

1205
01:02:34.108 --> 01:02:36.334
You're not gonna tell kids,
you know, what happened.

1206
01:02:38.446 --> 01:02:39.871
<i> - Were you adopted together,</i>
<i> all of you?</i>

1207
01:02:39.948 --> 01:02:41.873
<i> - James and I</i>
<i> were adopted together.</i>

1208
01:02:41.908 --> 01:02:43.374
<i> - Okay.</i>

1209
01:02:43.451 --> 01:02:45.877
<i> - Tina was adopted</i>
<i> one month before we were.</i>

1210
01:02:45.954 --> 01:02:49.714
I can't tell you
how we ended split up.

1211
01:02:49.791 --> 01:02:53.593
I can't tell you why tina
ended up somewhere else.

1212
01:02:53.604 --> 01:02:57.430
I just know that she did.

1213
01:02:57.441 --> 01:03:00.892
I just know that
she wasn't with me anymore.

1214
01:03:00.969 --> 01:03:03.394
We saw each other off and on
for a couple years,

1215
01:03:03.471 --> 01:03:04.729
And then we grew apart.

1216
01:03:04.806 --> 01:03:06.898
There was just,
I don't know,

1217
01:03:06.975 --> 01:03:10.860
A lot of outside factors
that kept us apart, I think.

1218
01:03:10.937 --> 01:03:14.447
It's just, um--

1219
01:03:14.458 --> 01:03:16.407
It's just really,
really hard

1220
01:03:16.484 --> 01:03:21.079
Because we're all so scarred,
and we're all so hurt.

1221
01:03:21.155 --> 01:03:26.876
And we haven't known anything,
I mean, anything at all.

1222
01:03:26.953 --> 01:03:29.963
So we've just walked around
with a lot of hatred and anger

1223
01:03:29.973 --> 01:03:31.798
For many, many years.

1224
01:03:31.809 --> 01:03:35.811
I just knew that I was angry
and I wanted to find her,

1225
01:03:35.887 --> 01:03:38.930
And I wanted to tell her off,
and I wanted questions,

1226
01:03:39.007 --> 01:03:42.767
I wanted to know why.

1227
01:03:42.844 --> 01:03:44.394
And unfortunately,
you know,

1228
01:03:44.470 --> 01:03:45.937
I'm never gonna get
that answer.

1229
01:03:46.014 --> 01:03:48.898
I'm never gonna be able
to ask her, "why?"

1230
01:03:48.975 --> 01:03:53.319
Why she did the things she did.
It's just not gonna happen.

1231
01:03:53.330 --> 01:03:55.446
<i> My mom was young.</i>

1232
01:03:55.523 --> 01:03:58.658
<i> You know,</i>
<i> she had a rough life.</i>

1233
01:03:58.669 --> 01:04:02.453
<i> It's very understandable that</i>
<i> my mom would make mistakes</i>

1234
01:04:02.488 --> 01:04:04.497
<i> And that she needed support.</i>

1235
01:04:04.508 --> 01:04:06.457
<i> And then it finally dawned</i>
<i> on me that, you know,</i>

1236
01:04:06.492 --> 01:04:10.587
My mom was the victim and not
the perpetrator in that crime,

1237
01:04:10.663 --> 01:04:13.423
And so it changed things
quite a bit.

1238
01:04:13.499 --> 01:04:17.760
It completely--
it changed things.

1239
01:04:17.837 --> 01:04:20.138
- But what's important is,
it's not your fault,

1240
01:04:20.173 --> 01:04:21.639
What happened to you.

1241
01:04:21.716 --> 01:04:24.142
It's not tina's fault,
and it's not james' fault.

1242
01:04:24.218 --> 01:04:28.646
I mean, you were kind of
the victims of kathy's

1243
01:04:28.723 --> 01:04:30.607
Not able to take care of you.

1244
01:04:30.683 --> 01:04:33.860
So maybe something good
that can come out of this

1245
01:04:33.871 --> 01:04:37.706
Is you guys can put aside
whatever it was

1246
01:04:37.782 --> 01:04:42.493
And reconnect and
stay connected and, you know.

1247
01:04:42.528 --> 01:04:43.828
- And I think we will.

1248
01:04:43.905 --> 01:04:47.549
We slowly are, and this'll
help get some closure

1249
01:04:47.626 --> 01:04:49.792
To maybe start healing
a little bit.

1250
01:04:49.869 --> 01:04:52.795
<i> [somber music]</i>

1251
01:04:52.872 --> 01:04:59.728
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1252
01:04:59.804 --> 01:05:05.016
I know, but they've got
a lot of information.

1253
01:05:05.093 --> 01:05:08.186
I mean, I found out a lot.

1254
01:05:08.221 --> 01:05:11.064
And they would like
to talk to you.

1255
01:05:11.074 --> 01:05:13.825
I mean...

1256
01:05:16.729 --> 01:05:18.580
Would you like--
would you want to--

1257
01:05:18.657 --> 01:05:20.749
- Yeah, why don't you
talk to her.

1258
01:05:20.825 --> 01:05:23.868
Ah.

1259
01:05:23.903 --> 01:05:27.914
- Hi tina.
My name's john williams.

1260
01:05:27.925 --> 01:05:32.877
- I've been working this case
for over six years,

1261
01:05:32.954 --> 01:05:35.046
And then yolanda and her team

1262
01:05:35.123 --> 01:05:39.550
Started to assist me in doing
genealogical dna testing,

1263
01:05:39.585 --> 01:05:41.761
And we were able
to finally determine

1264
01:05:41.772 --> 01:05:43.096
Just a couple months ago

1265
01:05:43.106 --> 01:05:47.525
That it was in fact kathy,
your mom.

1266
01:05:50.021 --> 01:05:51.562
- I wish we could've provided

1267
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.732
This info to you
and candice years ago,

1268
01:05:54.809 --> 01:05:58.236
But unfortunately it finally
took till technology

1269
01:05:58.312 --> 01:06:02.740
Kind of caught up
with these kind of cases.

1270
01:06:02.817 --> 01:06:09.455
- Yeah.

1271
01:06:09.466 --> 01:06:12.425
- Tell me the last thing
you remember.

1272
01:06:26.799 --> 01:06:29.600
- I can only tell you some of
the things that we found.

1273
01:06:29.677 --> 01:06:35.940
So you have an aunt sandy
and an aunt linda.

1274
01:06:35.975 --> 01:06:39.110
Linda, your aunt,
would love to talk to you.

1275
01:06:39.187 --> 01:06:43.823
- I had no idea about my aunt.

1276
01:06:43.834 --> 01:06:46.284
No clue.
I did know that some of--

1277
01:06:46.319 --> 01:06:48.911
That we had some family members
in okemah.

1278
01:06:48.988 --> 01:06:53.842
<i> And obviously I'm amazed,</i>
<i> I'm in shock.</i>

1279
01:06:53.918 --> 01:06:54.917
<i> I'm excited.</i>

1280
01:06:54.994 --> 01:06:58.129
- We're going to meet
with your aunt tomorrow.

1281
01:06:58.206 --> 01:07:00.974
- Got some family members
who would love to meet you.

1282
01:07:04.688 --> 01:07:07.638
- We appreciate you
talking to us.

1283
01:07:07.673 --> 01:07:09.974
<i> - So--</i>

1284
01:07:10.051 --> 01:07:11.309
<i> - Thanks, tina.</i>
<i> Have a good night.</i>

1285
01:07:11.344 --> 01:07:14.029
<i> - Thanks tina.</i>

1286
01:07:14.105 --> 01:07:15.855
- Give me a hug.
- Oh.

1287
01:07:15.866 --> 01:07:16.939
- Gosh.

1288
01:07:17.016 --> 01:07:20.359
You have a lot to sink in,
but it'll be all right.

1289
01:07:20.370 --> 01:07:23.038
Well, thank you guys.
- I hope I see you tomorrow.

1290
01:07:31.906 --> 01:07:34.165
<i> - I said many times</i>
<i> over the years,</i>

1291
01:07:34.242 --> 01:07:36.334
<i> Somewhere out there,</i>
<i> there's somebody,</i>

1292
01:07:36.369 --> 01:07:40.171
And this is better
than I expected,

1293
01:07:40.248 --> 01:07:43.049
To be able to actually meet
kathy's relatives

1294
01:07:43.060 --> 01:07:46.010
And give them the information
that they've been looking for.

1295
01:07:46.045 --> 01:07:48.679
'cause you were all adopted,
- mm-hmm.

1296
01:07:48.756 --> 01:07:51.974
- And then kathy's kids
were adopted.

1297
01:07:52.051 --> 01:07:53.226
- They were adopt--
- oh, really?

1298
01:07:53.236 --> 01:07:55.186
- Yeah, they were adopted too.

1299
01:07:55.221 --> 01:07:56.687
- Ooh.

1300
01:07:56.722 --> 01:07:58.648
- Yeah, all three of them
were adopted.

1301
01:07:58.724 --> 01:08:01.150
- Oh, here we go again.

1302
01:08:01.227 --> 01:08:03.194
- I'll be right back.

1303
01:08:03.271 --> 01:08:07.874
- I mean, it just screws up
the family so bad.

1304
01:08:13.406 --> 01:08:17.708
- Linda, I want to
introduce you to your nieces.

1305
01:08:17.743 --> 01:08:19.377
- Oh, my god!

1306
01:08:19.412 --> 01:08:22.380
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

1307
01:08:22.415 --> 01:08:23.765
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1308
01:08:28.287 --> 01:08:30.772
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

1309
01:08:30.849 --> 01:08:31.773
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1310
01:08:31.850 --> 01:08:33.608
<i> [gentle music]</i>

1311
01:08:33.685 --> 01:08:37.770
- Linda, I want to
introduce you to your nieces.

1312
01:08:37.781 --> 01:08:40.439
- Oh, my god!
- This is candice.

1313
01:08:40.450 --> 01:08:42.608
- Are you serious?
- And that's tina.

1314
01:08:42.619 --> 01:08:44.610
- Oh, my god!

1315
01:08:44.621 --> 01:08:47.446
Oh, man.

1316
01:08:47.457 --> 01:08:51.617
That's all I've ever wanted.

1317
01:08:51.628 --> 01:08:54.579
It's amazing.

1318
01:08:54.655 --> 01:08:59.542
And I got to say, you look
like your mother.

1319
01:08:59.619 --> 01:09:02.086
You know it?
- No.

1320
01:09:02.163 --> 01:09:07.383
- You do.
You look like your mother.

1321
01:09:07.460 --> 01:09:11.062
- It's still very shocking.

1322
01:09:13.633 --> 01:09:15.433
- That's all I've ever wanted.

1323
01:09:15.509 --> 01:09:18.319
<i> Almost like an out-of-body</i>
<i> experience for me.</i>

1324
01:09:18.396 --> 01:09:21.156
Many, many years
I've always wondered,

1325
01:09:21.232 --> 01:09:24.409
I've always thought to myself,
if only I knew.

1326
01:09:28.665 --> 01:09:32.250
<i> - If only I had something</i>
<i> to fill in those blanks.</i>

1327
01:09:36.414 --> 01:09:38.840
- All of a sudden,
it was right there in my lap.

1328
01:09:38.917 --> 01:09:42.460
<i> [light music]</i>

1329
01:09:42.536 --> 01:09:45.129
<i> I could remember her</i>
<i> holding me.</i>

1330
01:09:45.164 --> 01:09:51.186
<i> I have this vision and these</i>
<i> little flashes of her face.</i>

1331
01:09:51.262 --> 01:09:54.189
<i> There was obviously</i>
<i> some negligence,</i>

1332
01:09:54.265 --> 01:09:57.141
There was intervention
by the state of oklahoma

1333
01:09:57.218 --> 01:09:59.435
At some point.

1334
01:09:59.512 --> 01:10:03.689
<i> And we were taken</i>
<i> and placed in foster care.</i>

1335
01:10:03.700 --> 01:10:06.651
<i> And I remember crying.</i>

1336
01:10:06.686 --> 01:10:09.654
I was just holding
this little bag and I was,

1337
01:10:09.689 --> 01:10:12.749
"I want to go with you, mommy.
I want to go!"

1338
01:10:14.902 --> 01:10:16.327
- You see, these--

1339
01:10:16.404 --> 01:10:19.705
This was the first time
I've ever seen her.

1340
01:10:19.716 --> 01:10:22.208
When I saw these pictures,
it was the first time

1341
01:10:22.219 --> 01:10:26.170
I've ever had a visual of her.

1342
01:10:26.247 --> 01:10:27.713
You know,
I didn't even know

1343
01:10:27.724 --> 01:10:29.715
What to picture for her
to look like.

1344
01:10:29.726 --> 01:10:33.469
I had no image to go by
or anything like that.

1345
01:10:33.546 --> 01:10:36.555
I just knew that
I wanted to find her.

1346
01:10:36.566 --> 01:10:40.226
- It breaks my heart
because part of me is angry

1347
01:10:40.237 --> 01:10:42.645
And part of me is heartbroken

1348
01:10:42.722 --> 01:10:46.324
Because of the circumstances
and how she died.

1349
01:10:48.394 --> 01:10:50.319
<i> She was alone.</i>

1350
01:10:50.396 --> 01:10:52.363
- And she suffered.

1351
01:10:52.440 --> 01:10:55.250
- And she obviously suffered
quite a bit.

1352
01:10:56.235 --> 01:10:58.536
<i> She is at peace.</i>

1353
01:10:58.571 --> 01:11:02.540
Maybe this is her reaching
back out and helping us

1354
01:11:02.616 --> 01:11:05.802
Get to some kind of closure.
- Mm-hmm.

1355
01:11:08.006 --> 01:11:10.431
<i> [dramatic music]</i>

1356
01:11:10.508 --> 01:11:13.926
[engine rumbles]

1357
01:11:13.937 --> 01:11:16.771
<i> - Now that we identified kathy</i>
<i> and found her children,</i>

1358
01:11:16.848 --> 01:11:20.275
This was not the end for me
or detective williams.

1359
01:11:20.351 --> 01:11:23.394
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1360
01:11:23.471 --> 01:11:26.355
<i> It looks like the same year</i>
<i> that tina, candice,</i>

1361
01:11:26.432 --> 01:11:30.776
<i> And james jr. Were adopted,</i>
<i> kathy had moved to portland.</i>

1362
01:11:30.787 --> 01:11:32.778
<i> Perhaps she was trying</i>
<i> to start over</i>

1363
01:11:32.789 --> 01:11:36.574
<i> After two bad relationships</i>
<i> and sad memories.</i>

1364
01:11:36.650 --> 01:11:40.369
<i> Here, people wouldn't</i>
<i> know her past.</i>

1365
01:11:40.446 --> 01:11:43.372
So then what happens?

1366
01:11:43.449 --> 01:11:47.710
- So we do know that in 1984
she meets another guy.

1367
01:11:47.787 --> 01:11:49.804
His name is brian clifton,

1368
01:11:49.881 --> 01:11:51.973
And he's from
the portland area.

1369
01:11:52.050 --> 01:11:55.384
He's got parents, a brother,
maybe a sister.

1370
01:11:55.461 --> 01:11:57.428
And they actually
get married in portland.

1371
01:11:57.463 --> 01:12:00.556
- Ooh.
Okay.

1372
01:12:00.633 --> 01:12:03.267
- Apparently kathy didn't like
to stay in one place,

1373
01:12:03.344 --> 01:12:05.478
And after she married brian,

1374
01:12:05.488 --> 01:12:07.646
They moved from portland
to the salem area,

1375
01:12:07.657 --> 01:12:09.324
About 50 miles away.

1376
01:12:09.400 --> 01:12:11.492
Did we ever find anything
that they had any children?

1377
01:12:11.569 --> 01:12:13.486
- I don't believe
they had children.

1378
01:12:13.496 --> 01:12:15.821
- Okay, so brian
and kathy though,

1379
01:12:15.832 --> 01:12:17.823
Were actually married
for quite some time, right?

1380
01:12:17.834 --> 01:12:22.411
- They were,
from '84 to at least '96.

1381
01:12:22.488 --> 01:12:24.580
<i> - Now the question is,</i>

1382
01:12:24.657 --> 01:12:27.342
<i> Were kathy and brian</i>
<i> still legally married</i>

1383
01:12:27.418 --> 01:12:31.596
<i> When kathy was found murdered</i>
<i> on September 1, 1996?</i>

1384
01:12:33.541 --> 01:12:37.635
There's also no divorce,
which is kind of odd.

1385
01:12:37.670 --> 01:12:39.678
- It is, because we found
her divorces

1386
01:12:39.689 --> 01:12:41.356
From the first marriages.

1387
01:12:41.432 --> 01:12:45.851
They were pretty easy to find,
and why can't we find that one?

1388
01:12:45.862 --> 01:12:47.695
- I guess the one thing
that just really,

1389
01:12:47.772 --> 01:12:50.773
Really just keeps
getting to me is,

1390
01:12:50.850 --> 01:12:52.867
You never see your wife again,

1391
01:12:52.944 --> 01:12:55.444
But you don't report
her missing either.

1392
01:12:55.521 --> 01:12:56.779
- How does someone go missing

1393
01:12:56.856 --> 01:12:58.489
And no one reports
them missing?

1394
01:12:58.524 --> 01:12:59.782
- Yeah.

1395
01:12:59.859 --> 01:13:02.451
- So we've got
a lot of questions.

1396
01:13:02.528 --> 01:13:04.120
<i> [tense music]</i>

1397
01:13:04.196 --> 01:13:07.039
<i> - Do we know anything else</i>
<i> about brian?</i>

1398
01:13:07.050 --> 01:13:10.334
- Well, he does
have kind of a past.

1399
01:13:10.411 --> 01:13:13.721
In 1973,

1400
01:13:13.798 --> 01:13:16.841
He was convicted of murder.

1401
01:13:16.876 --> 01:13:18.393
Sentenced to life in prison.

1402
01:13:18.469 --> 01:13:22.721
- Convicted of murder?
- Convicted of murder.

1403
01:13:22.732 --> 01:13:25.641
<i> 23 years before kathy</i>
<i> was murdered,</i>

1404
01:13:25.718 --> 01:13:28.644
<i> Brian was convicted</i>
<i> of a different murder.</i>

1405
01:13:31.724 --> 01:13:35.818
For strangulating
a female motel clerk...

1406
01:13:35.895 --> 01:13:38.571
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1407
01:13:38.581 --> 01:13:42.825
<i> ...With a vacuum cleaner</i>
<i> electrical cord,</i>

1408
01:13:42.902 --> 01:13:46.912
<i> Over what he stated</i>
<i> was a robbery of, like, $65.</i>

1409
01:13:46.923 --> 01:13:49.757
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1410
01:13:49.834 --> 01:13:53.043
<i> He actually gets sentenced</i>
<i> to life in prison</i>

1411
01:13:53.120 --> 01:13:55.337
<i> In 1974,</i>

1412
01:13:55.414 --> 01:13:56.597
And he actually
gets out of prison.

1413
01:13:56.674 --> 01:13:59.725
- And gets paroled when?
- 1981.

1414
01:14:05.758 --> 01:14:09.110
Up where kathy was murdered,
24 years ago,

1415
01:14:09.187 --> 01:14:10.936
There's ropes everywhere.

1416
01:14:10.947 --> 01:14:13.397
<i> There's ropes</i>
<i> binding the tarps,</i>

1417
01:14:13.432 --> 01:14:16.692
Possibly could have been
a strangulation of her as well.

1418
01:14:16.769 --> 01:14:19.445
<i> And from our research,</i>
<i> we also found there are</i>

1419
01:14:19.456 --> 01:14:22.457
<i> Some interesting things</i>
<i> about the physical aspects</i>

1420
01:14:22.533 --> 01:14:25.618
<i> Of brian that match</i>
<i> things at the scene.</i>

1421
01:14:25.628 --> 01:14:29.538
<i> Brian's information shows</i>
<i> he's 6-foot, 150 pounds.</i>

1422
01:14:29.615 --> 01:14:32.967
The pants found at the scene
are size 34/34.

1423
01:14:33.044 --> 01:14:35.211
<i> That's consistent.</i>

1424
01:14:35.287 --> 01:14:37.755
<i> The shirt from the bag</i>

1425
01:14:37.790 --> 01:14:41.091
<i> And the one he's wearing</i>
<i> appear to be identical.</i>

1426
01:14:41.168 --> 01:14:42.977
<i> He's got brown hair.</i>

1427
01:14:43.054 --> 01:14:47.640
<i> - Same color of hair that was</i>
<i> found near kathy's body,</i>

1428
01:14:47.650 --> 01:14:50.643
<i> Believed to belong</i>
<i> to the killer.</i>

1429
01:14:50.653 --> 01:14:56.491
But it's what brian doesn't do
that sparks our curiosity.

1430
01:14:56.493 --> 01:14:58.776
- No one reports her missing.

1431
01:14:58.778 --> 01:15:01.737
They don't appear
to have gotten divorced.

1432
01:15:01.739 --> 01:15:05.241
She was never declared
deceased by anyone.

1433
01:15:05.243 --> 01:15:08.744
To me, all of those line up
with someone

1434
01:15:08.746 --> 01:15:12.006
Who doesn't want anyone looking
into kathy's background.

1435
01:15:12.008 --> 01:15:14.008
That's huge red flags.

1436
01:15:14.010 --> 01:15:16.752
- So obviously,
brian's a person of interest.

1437
01:15:16.754 --> 01:15:19.430
Do you know where he's at?

1438
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.008
After brian left salem area,
moved to portland...

1439
01:15:23.010 --> 01:15:25.177
And it kind of looks like
he bought a piece of property

1440
01:15:25.179 --> 01:15:26.428
From his parents.

1441
01:15:26.430 --> 01:15:31.901
I found a deed that shows he
purchased  a house in 2008

1442
01:15:32.862 --> 01:15:37.856
But there was a woman on
the deed with him named tina.

1443
01:15:37.858 --> 01:15:41.694
Not kathy's eldest daughter,
but the same name.

1444
01:15:41.696 --> 01:15:44.455
And the deed listed them
as husband and wife.

1445
01:15:47.544 --> 01:15:48.826
- How do you get married

1446
01:15:48.828 --> 01:15:51.996
When you maybe
aren't even divorced yet?

1447
01:15:51.998 --> 01:15:54.206
What do we know
about brian today?

1448
01:15:54.208 --> 01:15:58.043
- In 2010, brian and tina moved
to new hampshire together.

1449
01:15:59.964 --> 01:16:03.048
And then he appears to move,
of all places, to oklahoma.

1450
01:16:03.059 --> 01:16:06.051
Through a criminal
records search,

1451
01:16:06.062 --> 01:16:08.971
I was able to find
that booking photo

1452
01:16:09.048 --> 01:16:10.940
From oklahoma in 2016.

1453
01:16:14.145 --> 01:16:17.646
For a driving infraction.

1454
01:16:17.723 --> 01:16:20.524
- Okay, so traffic infraction,
violation.

1455
01:16:20.601 --> 01:16:23.319
- But at this point, I'm not
exactly sure where he's living.

1456
01:16:23.395 --> 01:16:24.996
We're trying to find that.

1457
01:16:27.733 --> 01:16:30.576
Kathy was murdered
24 years ago.

1458
01:16:30.587 --> 01:16:33.912
Right now, our primary focus
is on the last person

1459
01:16:33.923 --> 01:16:36.749
<i> Kathy was married to,</i>
<i> brian clifton.</i>

1460
01:16:36.759 --> 01:16:39.710
<i> [suspenseful music]</i>

1461
01:16:39.787 --> 01:16:46.726
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1462
01:16:48.754 --> 01:16:51.722
<i> 24 years after we found</i>
<i> his wife kathy dead</i>

1463
01:16:51.757 --> 01:16:55.225
<i> On a hill in oregon.</i>

1464
01:16:55.302 --> 01:16:57.102
<i> My team wants</i>
<i> to approach him,</i>

1465
01:16:57.113 --> 01:16:59.355
<i> But we also don't want</i>
<i> to blow our one shot</i>

1466
01:16:59.431 --> 01:17:01.565
<i> And risk having him flee</i>

1467
01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.234
<i> Before we have</i>
<i> confirmed evidence.</i>

1468
01:17:04.311 --> 01:17:06.111
<i> What we need now</i>
<i> is brian's dna</i>

1469
01:17:06.122 --> 01:17:08.614
<i> And see if it matches</i>
<i> any of the dna from the scene.</i>

1470
01:17:08.625 --> 01:17:10.625
<i> We've got the semen stain,</i>
<i> we've got hair.</i>

1471
01:17:10.701 --> 01:17:13.118
If his dna matches
what's at the scene,

1472
01:17:13.129 --> 01:17:15.287
He automatically becomes
our prime suspect.

1473
01:17:15.298 --> 01:17:20.134
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1474
01:17:29.387 --> 01:17:32.304
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

1475
01:17:32.315 --> 01:17:33.981
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1476
01:17:37.301 --> 01:17:39.770
<i> [light dramatic music]</i>

1477
01:17:39.805 --> 01:17:40.771
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1478
01:17:40.806 --> 01:17:43.774
<i> [tense music]</i>

1479
01:17:43.809 --> 01:17:45.326
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1480
01:17:45.403 --> 01:17:47.486
<i> - Kathy had a hard life.</i>

1481
01:17:47.497 --> 01:17:50.614
Looking for love, kathy
went through a series of men

1482
01:17:50.649 --> 01:17:53.325
That didn't care about her.

1483
01:17:53.336 --> 01:17:55.619
<i> Her last husband didn't even</i>
<i> bother to report her missing</i>

1484
01:17:55.696 --> 01:17:58.080
<i> When she disappeared.</i>

1485
01:17:58.157 --> 01:18:01.676
<i> And just a few months later,</i>
<i> her remains were found.</i>

1486
01:18:04.663 --> 01:18:06.171
<i> - While searching for brian,</i>

1487
01:18:06.182 --> 01:18:08.465
<i> I found his sister brenda</i>
<i> in wisconsin,</i>

1488
01:18:08.500 --> 01:18:10.184
<i> And I reached out to her</i>

1489
01:18:10.261 --> 01:18:11.519
<i> To see if she'd be</i>
<i> willing to help.</i>

1490
01:18:11.595 --> 01:18:16.857
[line ringing]

1491
01:18:16.934 --> 01:18:19.476
- Hi, is this brenda?

1492
01:18:19.553 --> 01:18:21.770
- Hi, brenda, this is
detective john williams.

1493
01:18:21.847 --> 01:18:24.148
I'm calling from the polk
county sheriff's office

1494
01:18:24.224 --> 01:18:25.366
In oregon.

1495
01:18:25.443 --> 01:18:27.484
Is a good time for you?

1496
01:18:27.561 --> 01:18:30.154
- Okay, so I have
a case where I have

1497
01:18:30.230 --> 01:18:32.656
A missing person,
who's kathy,

1498
01:18:32.733 --> 01:18:35.292
<i> Was married to brian</i>
<i> at one point.</i>

1499
01:18:37.696 --> 01:18:40.381
<i> - Do you recall</i>
<i> whatever happened</i>

1500
01:18:40.458 --> 01:18:43.634
<i> To brian and kathy's marriage,</i>
<i> how it ended or any of that?</i>

1501
01:18:50.542 --> 01:18:52.768
- Why do you doubt
that they got divorced?

1502
01:18:54.713 --> 01:18:57.815
<i> - So he would've illegally</i>
<i> married another woman?</i>

1503
01:18:59.885 --> 01:19:01.159
- Okay.

1504
01:19:01.161 --> 01:19:03.779
So you don't talk to brian.
You don't know where he's at?

1505
01:19:09.987 --> 01:19:11.904
<i> - Yeah.</i>

1506
01:19:11.914 --> 01:19:13.322
- I got you.

1507
01:19:13.398 --> 01:19:15.699
Well, and that's
what I'm showing too.

1508
01:19:18.737 --> 01:19:20.921
- Let me give you
some details.

1509
01:19:20.998 --> 01:19:23.707
So in 1996,

1510
01:19:23.742 --> 01:19:27.678
<i> Hunters found skeletonized</i>
<i> remains of a female.</i>

1511
01:19:36.421 --> 01:19:39.723
- We do have the dna
found at the scene

1512
01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:41.942
On some men's clothing
that was left behind.

1513
01:19:42.019 --> 01:19:44.186
<i> I would think</i>
<i> has to be related</i>

1514
01:19:44.263 --> 01:19:47.606
<i> To whoever</i>
<i> put the body there.</i>

1515
01:19:47.617 --> 01:19:51.276
<i> - So we have a couple</i>
<i> of things we might try,</i>

1516
01:19:51.287 --> 01:19:56.865
And one is if we can get dna
from a relative

1517
01:19:56.942 --> 01:20:00.544
To get the best, you know, say,
oh, yeah, that's a sister--

1518
01:20:02.614 --> 01:20:04.748
- Would you be willing
if we sent you a dna kit

1519
01:20:04.783 --> 01:20:08.418
To just swab your cheek
and mail it back?

1520
01:20:08.453 --> 01:20:10.754
- Oh, that's awesome.

1521
01:20:10.831 --> 01:20:13.641
- Okay.

1522
01:20:13.717 --> 01:20:15.717
<i> To see what it matches</i>
<i> at the scene,</i>

1523
01:20:15.794 --> 01:20:17.761
<i> That's gonna be</i>
<i> super critical.</i>

1524
01:20:17.796 --> 01:20:20.264
This would be an amazing boost
to this case.

1525
01:20:20.299 --> 01:20:23.267
<i> [tense music]</i>

1526
01:20:23.302 --> 01:20:30.241
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1527
01:20:40.652 --> 01:20:44.004
<i> - Now that we know brian's</i>
<i> sister is a sibling match</i>

1528
01:20:44.081 --> 01:20:46.498
<i> To the dna found</i>
<i> at the crime scene,</i>

1529
01:20:46.509 --> 01:20:48.250
<i> I could finally</i>
<i> tell her family</i>

1530
01:20:48.327 --> 01:20:51.503
<i> And give them some closure.</i>

1531
01:20:51.514 --> 01:20:56.800
I'm going to see kathy's
daughters, tina and candice,

1532
01:20:56.835 --> 01:20:58.802
And kathy's sister, linda.

1533
01:20:58.837 --> 01:21:01.021
Never met each other
before all of this,

1534
01:21:01.098 --> 01:21:04.808
So I think it's great that they
all get to know each other,

1535
01:21:04.843 --> 01:21:07.269
And that they do
have family left.

1536
01:21:07.346 --> 01:21:09.864
Something they've always
wanted, and they have it.

1537
01:21:22.786 --> 01:21:25.829
Well, how are my most
three favorite women doing?

1538
01:21:25.864 --> 01:21:27.039
- Hello!
- Hello!

1539
01:21:27.049 --> 01:21:29.833
- Look at you,
pretty woman.

1540
01:21:29.868 --> 01:21:31.960
- How are things going getting
to know each other?

1541
01:21:32.037 --> 01:21:33.670
- With us, it's good.
- Oh, it's just--

1542
01:21:33.705 --> 01:21:36.390
- Is there something
that's not?

1543
01:21:36.467 --> 01:21:37.841
- It is what
it's supposed to be.

1544
01:21:37.876 --> 01:21:38.909
- I know.

1545
01:21:38.986 --> 01:21:41.386
- Well, I just wanted you
to know there were three

1546
01:21:41.397 --> 01:21:45.682
Really important things for me
to do in this case if I could.

1547
01:21:45.717 --> 01:21:48.402
One of them
was to identify her.

1548
01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:49.570
Give her her name back.

1549
01:21:49.647 --> 01:21:53.315
Which would then
open up roads, second,

1550
01:21:53.392 --> 01:21:56.410
To hopefully help
the investigation.

1551
01:21:56.487 --> 01:21:58.579
You know, once you know
about her life,

1552
01:21:58.656 --> 01:22:00.414
Once we found out
about all of you guys,

1553
01:22:00.491 --> 01:22:03.367
I mean, that all came about
because of her identity.

1554
01:22:03.402 --> 01:22:07.704
So many roads have been open,
learned a lot.

1555
01:22:07.739 --> 01:22:10.540
And then the third
most important thing to me,

1556
01:22:10.617 --> 01:22:12.593
So hold on one second.

1557
01:22:12.670 --> 01:22:13.877
- Is she going to do
something sneaky?

1558
01:22:13.912 --> 01:22:14.878
- I don't know.

1559
01:22:14.913 --> 01:22:18.048
<i> [gentle music]</i>

1560
01:22:18.125 --> 01:22:20.717
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1561
01:22:20.752 --> 01:22:22.761
- Oh, my--oh!

1562
01:22:22.772 --> 01:22:24.680
- Third most important thing.

1563
01:22:24.756 --> 01:22:26.440
- Oh, my god!

1564
01:22:26.517 --> 01:22:29.610
- Is to bring her home,
where she belongs.

1565
01:22:29.687 --> 01:22:32.112
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1566
01:22:32.189 --> 01:22:35.366
From the bottom
of all of our hearts.

1567
01:22:37.436 --> 01:22:39.403
- It's okay, baby girl.

1568
01:22:39.438 --> 01:22:45.075
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1569
01:22:45.110 --> 01:22:48.045
- [sobbing]

1570
01:22:50.633 --> 01:22:54.584
- We really got close.
These are my girls.

1571
01:22:54.661 --> 01:22:57.379
- You're family.
- That's so beautiful.

1572
01:22:57.456 --> 01:22:59.089
- It is.
- Thank you.

1573
01:22:59.166 --> 01:23:00.808
- I love it.

1574
01:23:00.884 --> 01:23:03.927
It was right then that my heart
went up in my throat,

1575
01:23:04.004 --> 01:23:08.649
And it was like
I couldn't say nothing.

1576
01:23:08.726 --> 01:23:11.768
Because I knew what it was.

1577
01:23:11.803 --> 01:23:14.771
<i> Knowing that she is home,</i>
<i> where she belongs,</i>

1578
01:23:14.806 --> 01:23:16.573
<i> It was beautiful.</i>

1579
01:23:18.977 --> 01:23:21.486
This is your mama.

1580
01:23:21.497 --> 01:23:25.165
It is so beautiful.
I mean, look at that.

1581
01:23:25.242 --> 01:23:29.670
- I think everything just
really hit home even harder.

1582
01:23:29.747 --> 01:23:30.954
The fact that I, you know,

1583
01:23:31.031 --> 01:23:34.791
Knowing for 23 years

1584
01:23:34.868 --> 01:23:37.461
That she couldn't--
she couldn't reach out,

1585
01:23:37.537 --> 01:23:38.846
She couldn't check on us,

1586
01:23:38.922 --> 01:23:41.015
You know, that
something had happened...

1587
01:23:46.004 --> 01:23:49.139
It actually made me
start to heal a little bit.

1588
01:23:49.174 --> 01:23:51.933
- She needs to come home, okay?
- Yeah, yeah.

1589
01:23:52.010 --> 01:23:55.520
<i> - To be able to actually</i>
<i> put her fully at rest,</i>

1590
01:23:55.531 --> 01:23:57.814
We've talked
about that so much.

1591
01:23:57.891 --> 01:24:03.537
And what yolanda has done
is so heartfelt that we can--

1592
01:24:03.614 --> 01:24:04.946
I don't know that
we'll ever be able

1593
01:24:05.023 --> 01:24:06.874
<i> To really thank her enough.</i>

1594
01:24:06.950 --> 01:24:07.991
- There's a lot of great,

1595
01:24:08.068 --> 01:24:09.868
Great things
that came out of this.

1596
01:24:09.879 --> 01:24:11.712
- We're thankful for that,
and what you've done,

1597
01:24:11.789 --> 01:24:14.998
'cause you brought this
wonderful woman into our life.

1598
01:24:15.033 --> 01:24:16.717
Thank you, yolanda.
Thank you so much.

1599
01:24:16.794 --> 01:24:19.211
- Wasn't for you guys,
I wouldn't have my baby girls.

1600
01:24:19.221 --> 01:24:21.555
- Well, you're family.

1601
01:24:21.632 --> 01:24:26.510
<i> - I'm just grateful to</i>
<i> detective williams, yolanda,</i>

1602
01:24:26.586 --> 01:24:29.971
'cause I know my two nieces
in my life right now.

1603
01:24:30.048 --> 01:24:32.182
<i> And we talk every day.</i>

1604
01:24:32.217 --> 01:24:34.735
<i> We have got so close,</i>

1605
01:24:34.812 --> 01:24:38.947
And I'll give them the love
that they need from my sister.

1606
01:24:41.101 --> 01:24:43.902
<i> Think her girls</i>
<i> are my girls now.</i>

1607
01:24:43.913 --> 01:24:45.487
<i> They're still her babies,</i>

1608
01:24:45.564 --> 01:24:50.125
But I'm giving them
and they're giving me back.

1609
01:24:53.330 --> 01:24:56.706
<i> - My mother's case, it's</i>
<i> not just another jane doe.</i>

1610
01:24:56.741 --> 01:24:59.709
<i> She's a person with a story.</i>

1611
01:24:59.786 --> 01:25:03.046
<i> She had family</i>
<i> that cared about her.</i>

1612
01:25:03.081 --> 01:25:06.600
I would have liked for her
to have--see me now.

1613
01:25:11.607 --> 01:25:13.982
I think she
would've been proud.

1614
01:25:19.690 --> 01:25:22.616
<i> [gentle music]</i>

1615
01:25:22.693 --> 01:25:27.571
<i> ♪ ♪</i>

1616
01:25:27.647 --> 01:25:30.958
<i> - A year has passed since</i>
<i> I started this investigation.</i>

1617
01:25:31.034 --> 01:25:35.620
My mission was always
to identify our jane doe,

1618
01:25:35.631 --> 01:25:38.915
To give her back to her family,
and give her back her name.

1619
01:25:38.950 --> 01:25:41.793
<i> And I've done that</i>
<i> with kathy's case.</i>

1620
01:25:41.804 --> 01:25:43.971
- It's been a lot of hard work.
- Yeah.

1621
01:25:44.047 --> 01:25:47.808
- A lot of phone calls,
a lot of going down dead ends.

1622
01:25:47.885 --> 01:25:49.759
The adoptions threw us
for a loop--

1623
01:25:49.836 --> 01:25:50.978
- Yes.

1624
01:25:51.054 --> 01:25:53.096
- But we persevered,
we kept going.

1625
01:25:53.131 --> 01:25:56.975
I was totally clueless
to how, you know,

1626
01:25:56.986 --> 01:25:59.102
Third cousins and genealogy
and all that work,

1627
01:25:59.137 --> 01:26:02.772
But I knew we had yolanda's
team behind us.

1628
01:26:02.849 --> 01:26:04.774
<i> It was a slow process</i>
<i> for a while</i>

1629
01:26:04.809 --> 01:26:06.276
<i> And then it started</i>
<i> building steam</i>

1630
01:26:06.311 --> 01:26:08.570
Until kind of everything
came together

1631
01:26:08.647 --> 01:26:11.814
And we finally
identified kathy.

1632
01:26:14.861 --> 01:26:17.287
<i> - Kathy got her name back.</i>

1633
01:26:17.364 --> 01:26:19.581
<i> Her identity back.</i>

1634
01:26:19.658 --> 01:26:21.333
<i> Nobody should die</i>
<i> without it.</i>

1635
01:26:21.343 --> 01:26:23.677
<i> Her family thought</i>
<i> she walked away,</i>

1636
01:26:23.754 --> 01:26:25.295
Maybe didn't want anything
to do with them,

1637
01:26:25.330 --> 01:26:26.963
I don't believe that.

1638
01:26:26.998 --> 01:26:30.091
But unfortunately, she didn't
have any more choices

1639
01:26:30.168 --> 01:26:32.761
After that of what she would've
wanted to do with her life.

1640
01:26:32.837 --> 01:26:37.307
She's been so wronged
in so many ways.

1641
01:26:37.384 --> 01:26:40.944
I just hope now that her
family can start to heal.

1642
01:26:42.698 --> 01:26:45.148
You and I said
we would figure it out.

1643
01:26:45.225 --> 01:26:47.317
We said we'd take her home.

1644
01:26:47.394 --> 01:26:49.361
And that we would pursue
any roads

1645
01:26:49.371 --> 01:26:51.872
That opened up
to find out who killed her.

1646
01:26:51.949 --> 01:26:53.657
- And that continues.

1647
01:26:53.733 --> 01:26:56.043
- Obviously the truth is
ultimately what we're after.

1648
01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:58.587
- Right.

1649
01:27:01.458 --> 01:27:05.052
<i> - The case is now in</i>
<i> the investigators' hands.</i>