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- [Michael] This morning, the
ACLU filed a federal lawsuit

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against the Department of
Justice and against the FBI,

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challenging the designation
of a musical fan base

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as a criminal gang.

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It is a quintessential
civil liberties case,

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challenging government
abuse and supporting

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the right of people
to express themselves

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without fear of
police persecution.

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- Recognizing the
absurdity of the situation

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and that there are
civil liberties

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and constitutional
issues involved

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that extend far
beyond this issue.

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I'd like to introduce
the plaintiffs.

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Joseph Bruce and Joey Utsler,

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also known as the
Insane Clown Posse.

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(eerie ambience)

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(music box playing)

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♪ Do you like clowns ♪

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(crowd chanting)

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♪ Do you like bloody,
bloody, bloodshed ♪

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♪ Wicked clowns
come out to play ♪

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♪ Wicked clowns
come out to play ♪

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♪ Wicked clowns
come out to play ♪

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♪ Ha Ha ♪

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♪ PCP ♪

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♪ Meth and
anti-depression pills ♪

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♪ Shit but I wont stop ♪

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♪ Last time on the spot ♪

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♪ Choked a cop ♪

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♪ Stopped and had
a Faygo soda pop ♪

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♪ In the back of my trunk ♪

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♪ Chuck the chainsaw ♪

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♪ Usually chop wood,
but that ain't all ♪

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♪ It's a bit strange, all
up in your mid range ♪

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♪ Cut a hole in your
head til I hit brains ♪

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♪ Left a cop in a
pile while maybe ♪

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♪ It's the night of
the chainsaw baby ♪

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♪ Cut 'em up Chuck, somebody ♪

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♪ Cut 'em up Chuck, get bloody ♪

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♪ Cut 'em up Chuck, go nutty ♪

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♪ Cut 'em up Chuck, cut
'em up Chuck, cut 'em up ♪

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♪ You can't calm me down,
you can't calm me down ♪

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- Clown motherfucking
love, Juggalos!

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- I'm Violent J from
Insane Clown Posse.

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Joe Bruce, my real name.

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- I'm Shaggy 2 Dope.

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AKA Joseph Utsler,

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my government name.

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- And I am an entertainer
extraordinaire.

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- I'm a rapper.

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- A musician.

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- Artist.

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- Actor.

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- Wrestler.

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- Pro wrestler.

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- Father of three, married.

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- I'm a Bruce brother.

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- I'm an honorary
Bruce brother, I think.

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- He's the third Bruce brother.

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It goes way back to
when we were children.

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- Yeah.

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- [Stern] We're sitting
here with two big stars.

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Insane Clown Posse.

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Let's take a phone call.

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- [Caller] You guys
are fucking horrible.

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- [Caller] Let's have
a serious conversation.

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When are you guys gonna
fucking kill yourselves?

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- We've made USA
Today's worst album

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of the year, like twice.

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We made GQ's worst
artists of all time.

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Page after page after page.

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This is the worst music
you've ever heard.

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What is this shit?

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What is this garbage?

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Just totally dissing.

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We used to just look
and look and look

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for one positive review.

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Couldn't find it.

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♪ Water, fire, air and dirt ♪

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♪ Fucking magnets,
how do they work ♪

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- What the hell was that?

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- [Comical Voice] Yeah,
even clowns think they suck.

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- People hate what
they don't understand.

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And there's a lot to not
understand about ICP, you know?

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Just the face paint alone.

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Alternative music didn't
want nothing to do with us.

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Hip hop didn't want
nothing to do with it.

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Without a home, a home
began to form itself

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and began to dig its own
niche out in society.

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- Explaining Juggalos
is such a hard thing.

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- You probably maybe
come from a broken home

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and you dealing with
with depression.

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You know what I mean?

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Probably dealing with
depression like we do.

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- Trouble, you know,
trouble in their life.

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Stuff like that, you know?

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I think that's why it's
such a good clique,

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such a good thing because we're
Juggalos ourself, you know?

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- What does it mean
to be a Juggalo?

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Most people say family.

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- You're just walking
around with your shirt

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or your charm or something.

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And you see someone
else and boom,

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you've just made a new friend.

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- Like the family
thing is really real.

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We all have each
other's back, it's nuts.

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- You're making it sound
like the Manson family, bro.

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- Being yourself.

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Being who the fuck you are

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and not giving a fuck
what anyone thinks.

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If it hurts your
feelings, I'm sorry

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that your parents
raised a pussy.

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- We exist because
other people judged us

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and kind of made us outcasts.

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We all band together under that.

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- I've been a Juggalo since I
came out of my mom's vagina.

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♪ What is a Juggalo? ♪

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- [Shaggy] We
embrace the hate now

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because what are we
going to do, fight it?

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- [Violent J] It just made us
cooler to the Juggalos, man.

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That's what's going on
in the outside world.

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Inside with the
Juggalos, it was a party.

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We were getting massive love.

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- Clown love, baby!
Clown love! Clown love!

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- Dude, it was off the hook.

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It was so fucking fresh.

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- [Violent J] That's what
we're hearing every day.

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Meanwhile, we pick up a
paper that talks about

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who could listen
to this garbage.

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Which one do we believe?

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We just went with the fam.

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♪ What is a Juggalo ♪

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- My husband has been
serving a life sentence

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since he was 19.

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So I got his mugshot.

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Hi.

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- [Shaggy] Hey.

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- This is John.

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He's been a Juggalo since
he was nine years old.

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- Oh he's on the
phone? [Woman] Yeah.

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- What up, man?

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- [John] What's up, man.

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- [Shaggy] Shit, just out
here baking our ass off.

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What's good with you, man?

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- [John] I love you guys.

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You guys have got me through
so many dark times in my life.

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You don't even know.

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- [Shaggy] Are you locked up?

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- [Woman] For life.

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- Oh shit, for life?

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- [John] Yeah, there's
thousands of Juggalos

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in prison too,
bumping your shit.

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- Well maybe you guys could
start up a Juggalo gang

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in there, man.

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And kick some ass.

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- Or perhaps not.

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- Baby.

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- [Violent J] Want
us to sign the face?

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- Yeah. They're signing
your face, baby.

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- [Shaggy] I'm gonna
do another tattoo.

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- [Woman] He's giving
you another tattoo

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on your forehead.

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- [John] That's crazy.

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- [Violent J] We have this
beautiful relationship

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with these people

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and we fucking love
the Juggalos, man.

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They want our music as a
soundtrack to their life.

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So why not provide?

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- [Radio Reporter] Music
fans or gang members?

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- [British Reporter]
The government says
they're dangerous.

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- [Male TV Reporter] These
142 pages document cases of

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brutal murders, assaults
across the country.

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They all have one
word in common.

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Juggalo.

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- [Female TV Reporter]
A Juggalo is a follower

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of a rap group called
the Insane Clown Posse,

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known for its violent lyrics.

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- [Female TV Reporter]
There's about a million fans

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and a percentage may
be involved in crime.

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- [Older Female Reporter]
The FBI has classified

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Juggalos as a gang.

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- [British Radio Reporter]
Juggalos say they're a family.

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- Family, family,
family, family!

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♪ And I'd walk home
feeling like a samurai ♪

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♪ I'd walk in the house
and see my mama cry ♪

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♪ I'd ask why, she
points to my drunk pops ♪

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♪ He tried to hit her
again, but that shit stops ♪

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♪ I kick him in his throat,
you hear his neck break ♪

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- We both come from poor,
broken families, broken homes.

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- Our real dad bailed
when I was two.

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We had to go through
his replacement,
which was even worse.

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- The older I get, the more
I realize how fucked up

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my childhood was, but
I definitely think

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it helped made us
stronger people.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And I think it made us 10
billion times more hungry

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when we starting out.

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Not having nothing
when you grow up,

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that'll shape you for the
rest of your fucking life,

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whether you got money or not.

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(My Heart Will Go On style song)

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- [Linda] Yes, throughout the
whole house, isn't it, hun?

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The nautical theme.

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My name is Linda and
I'm Violent J's mother,

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Joe Bruce.

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And I'm a Juggalette.

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I think I was probably
the first one.

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- You were the first one, ma.

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- [Linda] I was 19 years old
when I had my first baby.

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That was Teresa. And then I
had Rob and then Joe's my baby,

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the caboose.

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We struggled.

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We were poor, but we
never went to bed hungry

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or anything like that.

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But there wasn't a lot of
money for entertainment.

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But as a mother, you always try.

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- [Violent J] We were the
poorest in the neighborhood.

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We got the food
stamps and all that.

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But our imaginations were there.

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Big time imaginations,
you know what I'm saying?

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We had a club name.

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We called ourselves The Floobs.

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First thing we did was
make having nothing cool.

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It's okay to have
mismatched shoes.

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We had these rickety old bikes

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and kids would make fun of us.

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They were riding around with
Mongooses and Supergooses.

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We'd have fucked up bikes.

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They were pieced together
from like nine other bikes.

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And we made it cool.

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We were like, that's
the Floobmobile.

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We turned it around
and we really did feel

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like we were the shit.

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Cause we were part
of the Floobs.

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- [Shaggy] We
didn't feel left out

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cause we were with each other.

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Like them fucking
trench coat mafia kids

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from the fucking
Columbine or whatever.

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They're all crying about

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they didn't have no
friends, whatever.

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There was two of
those motherfuckers,

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you know what I'm saying?

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They have friends, they
had each other, you know?

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- [Linda] They have a lot
of self-worth together.

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Even maybe separately they
don't, but together they do.

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Joe had a fire, is the
only thing I can call it.

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When he wanted to do something,
you couldn't deny it.

250
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He just had to, he had to do it.

251
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- We always been the type
of kids that do whatever

252
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we were into, you
know, we have to do it.

253
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- And then he started going
really interested in wrestling.

254
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I remember driving him
to Joe Louis Arena.

255
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I didn't have the money.

256
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And I knew that if I didn't
take him, he would've walked.

257
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- I must've been 15 years
old, maybe 14 years old.

258
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Out back is where
we all would get our

259
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autographs from all the
wrestlers coming out.

260
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And all of a sudden, I see
these two guys wrestling,

261
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these two young kids.

262
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And I'm like, holy shit, man.

263
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They do it better
than the guys inside.

264
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- [Linda] I remember
coming home from work and

265
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there'd be footprints
on my ceiling.

266
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And I was trying to figure
out how that happened.

267
00:11:18.041 --> 00:11:22.076
They would super suplex each
other in the living room.

268
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He'd be flipping them and
the guy would actually

269
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walk on the ceiling.

270
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They were in junior
high school and

271
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they started their
own wrestling league,

272
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National Allstar Wrestling.

273
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- [Violent J] We had a ring
built in his mom's backyard.

274
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Built out of railroad logs.

275
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We'd wait till it would rain

276
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and we'd be out
there in the rain

277
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pounding it in the ground

278
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because the ground
would be softer.

279
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And then we use garden hose

280
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to wrap around the
railroad rails.

281
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- And we'd sell
it to the fullest.

282
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To the kids in the neighborhood.

283
00:11:51.976 --> 00:11:54.141
We ran it like a real
wrestling organization.

284
00:11:54.176 --> 00:11:55.505
- We would advertise.

285
00:11:55.540 --> 00:11:57.276
- Flyer the neighborhood.

286
00:11:57.311 --> 00:11:58.409
- Flyer through the
neighborhood, house to house.

287
00:11:58.444 --> 00:12:00.785
Come see N.A.W. kids wrestling.

288
00:12:00.820 --> 00:12:03.084
We weren't waiting till
we grew up to wrestle.

289
00:12:03.119 --> 00:12:04.855
We were like, we're
bringing wrestling to us.

290
00:12:04.890 --> 00:12:06.516
- I got to make the hot dogs.

291
00:12:06.551 --> 00:12:09.123
I had the hot dogs
going and chips.

292
00:12:09.158 --> 00:12:10.993
It had free lunch.

293
00:12:11.028 --> 00:12:13.259
When you came, you got a
hot dog and a bag of chips.

294
00:12:13.294 --> 00:12:16.328
But they did it all themselves.

295
00:12:16.363 --> 00:12:19.034
I don't know where a lot
of that talent came from,

296
00:12:19.069 --> 00:12:22.840
but there was something
going on all the time.

297
00:12:22.875 --> 00:12:25.337
When they started going to high
school, it was really hard.

298
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Cause all of a sudden you
don't know where they are

299
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or who their friends are
or what they're doing.

300
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♪ You ask do we gangbang ♪

301
00:12:32.181 --> 00:12:33.851
♪ Do we bang in a gang, mang ♪

302
00:12:33.886 --> 00:12:35.215
♪ Do we bang bang ♪

303
00:12:35.250 --> 00:12:36.414
♪ I'm a gang banger, man ♪

304
00:12:36.449 --> 00:12:37.888
♪ I bang in a gang, mang ♪

305
00:12:37.923 --> 00:12:39.285
♪ You can suck my wang, mang ♪

306
00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:40.792
♪ Richie-boy, bitchy-boy ♪

307
00:12:40.827 --> 00:12:42.453
♪ It's a Southwest thing ♪

308
00:12:42.488 --> 00:12:44.554
- [Shaggy] That's the first
titty bar I ever went to

309
00:12:44.589 --> 00:12:45.929
when I was 15.

310
00:12:45.964 --> 00:12:46.897
- Oh, that's the Atlantis?

311
00:12:46.932 --> 00:12:48.327
- No, no.

312
00:12:48.362 --> 00:12:49.460
Atlantis I went
to when I was 14.

313
00:12:49.495 --> 00:12:51.231
I put on a fake mustache.

314
00:12:53.037 --> 00:12:54.036
- [Violent J] I could show
you the greatest place

315
00:12:54.071 --> 00:12:56.071
to hide a dead body too.

316
00:12:57.877 --> 00:13:00.977
- The Floobs ended up being
eventually the Inner City Posse,

317
00:13:01.012 --> 00:13:02.847
which was their own gang.

318
00:13:02.882 --> 00:13:04.310
- We were gonna
be some bad asses.

319
00:13:04.345 --> 00:13:06.180
We were forming our own thing.

320
00:13:06.215 --> 00:13:08.886
Even though, the fact of the
matter is, we didn't know shit.

321
00:13:08.921 --> 00:13:10.316
- We were like gang-wannabe.

322
00:13:10.351 --> 00:13:11.449
- [Violent J] We started tagging

323
00:13:11.484 --> 00:13:14.122
ICP all over the neighborhood.

324
00:13:14.157 --> 00:13:16.421
With rhinestone ICP hats on.

325
00:13:17.930 --> 00:13:19.897
We were crazy for doing
what we were doing

326
00:13:19.932 --> 00:13:22.559
because these were
real gangs here.

327
00:13:22.594 --> 00:13:25.001
And we learned how to
get our ass kicked too.

328
00:13:25.036 --> 00:13:27.267
- Yeah I learned how
to take a good beating.

329
00:13:27.302 --> 00:13:29.940
- So we were walking
past these gang members

330
00:13:29.975 --> 00:13:31.469
sitting on a porch

331
00:13:31.504 --> 00:13:35.473
and they were just
giving us this mean eye.

332
00:13:35.508 --> 00:13:37.475
So, boom, we just
march on through, man.

333
00:13:37.510 --> 00:13:39.015
Like we're the Warriors.

334
00:13:39.050 --> 00:13:40.346
Here we go, man.

335
00:13:40.381 --> 00:13:43.184
And we give them
these mean mugs.

336
00:13:43.219 --> 00:13:47.419
There must've been, I don't
know, 20 of them at the time.

337
00:13:47.454 --> 00:13:51.159
And I was like, fuck
man, here we go.

338
00:13:51.194 --> 00:13:53.590
Somebody says something.

339
00:13:53.625 --> 00:13:55.097
I say, fuck you.

340
00:13:56.298 --> 00:13:58.166
And fuck all you guys.

341
00:13:59.532 --> 00:14:01.202
And we (imitates
heavy breathing).

342
00:14:01.237 --> 00:14:03.402
All of a sudden,
man, the gang squad.

343
00:14:03.437 --> 00:14:08.440
God couldn't have timed it
better for us to save our lives.

344
00:14:09.377 --> 00:14:10.541
The gang squad pulls up

345
00:14:10.576 --> 00:14:12.510
and Joe and I start walking.

346
00:14:12.545 --> 00:14:14.347
We start walking

347
00:14:14.382 --> 00:14:16.954
and these guys are booking

348
00:14:16.989 --> 00:14:19.154
all around me, surrounded them.

349
00:14:19.189 --> 00:14:22.157
And we're just
like, ah, ha ha ha.

350
00:14:22.192 --> 00:14:23.620
So they get them.

351
00:14:23.655 --> 00:14:24.654
We're at the corner.

352
00:14:24.689 --> 00:14:25.655
Fuck, look at us.

353
00:14:25.690 --> 00:14:26.524
You fucking asshole.

354
00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:28.328
And fuck you.

355
00:14:28.363 --> 00:14:31.133
- We were a fucking
miniature gang.

356
00:14:31.168 --> 00:14:33.564
And so when this FBI
gang thing happened

357
00:14:33.599 --> 00:14:36.270
25 years later, we
thought it was funny.

358
00:14:36.305 --> 00:14:37.337
We laughed. We were like,

359
00:14:37.372 --> 00:14:38.635
dang we're gang-bangers.

360
00:14:38.670 --> 00:14:39.977
- Oh yeah, yeah, haha.

361
00:14:40.012 --> 00:14:40.637
- Officially.

362
00:14:40.672 --> 00:14:41.979
Dopeness.

363
00:14:42.014 --> 00:14:43.376
They're saying Juggalos are

364
00:14:43.411 --> 00:14:45.345
one of the 10 most
notorious real gangs.

365
00:14:45.380 --> 00:14:47.545
So look at that
company right there.

366
00:14:47.580 --> 00:14:52.253
- Bloods, Crips and MS-13 is
like, yeah, I'm in a gang.

367
00:14:54.191 --> 00:14:55.553
♪ Straight outta Compton ♪

368
00:14:55.588 --> 00:14:57.555
♪ Here's a crazy
brother named Ice Cube ♪

369
00:14:57.590 --> 00:15:00.932
(heavy hip hop beats)

370
00:15:04.069 --> 00:15:05.464
- [Violent J] Here
they are, man.

371
00:15:05.499 --> 00:15:07.466
Greatest of all time,
the Beatles of rap.

372
00:15:07.501 --> 00:15:09.336
The stuff that I was like,

373
00:15:09.371 --> 00:15:11.503
I can't believe what they're
saying. Is that real, you know?

374
00:15:11.538 --> 00:15:13.076
That's the shit I love man.

375
00:15:13.111 --> 00:15:15.375
The stuff that scared me.

376
00:15:15.410 --> 00:15:18.048
- When I was a kid, I had
that poster in my bedroom.

377
00:15:18.083 --> 00:15:19.181
Vanessa Williams.

378
00:15:19.216 --> 00:15:20.985
Look at at how fine she is, bro.

379
00:15:21.020 --> 00:15:24.252
Fifteen years old,
this was on my wall.

380
00:15:24.287 --> 00:15:26.287
And I don't know how many
times I nutted to it.

381
00:15:26.322 --> 00:15:27.618
She ain't even naked.

382
00:15:27.653 --> 00:15:29.653
My mom was a hippie.

383
00:15:29.688 --> 00:15:31.325
So of course she
had the White Album,

384
00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.097
that creepy-ass Queen record.

385
00:15:34.132 --> 00:15:37.463
Everything from that,
the Blues Brothers.

386
00:15:39.038 --> 00:15:41.698
There was always
music in my house.

387
00:15:41.733 --> 00:15:43.601
Third, fourth grade or whatever.

388
00:15:43.636 --> 00:15:46.076
That's when rap started
catching on a little bit.

389
00:15:46.111 --> 00:15:49.574
Learned how to start
scratching, deejaying.

390
00:15:51.446 --> 00:15:53.017
Herbie Hancock, he was the
first one to commercially

391
00:15:53.052 --> 00:15:55.217
put a scratch on record.

392
00:15:55.252 --> 00:15:56.350
And that was actually
the first scratch

393
00:15:56.385 --> 00:15:57.714
I ever learned how to do.

394
00:15:57.749 --> 00:15:59.617
- [Violent J] Endless
Michael Jackson.

395
00:15:59.652 --> 00:16:03.258
I can't even find a bootleg,
a piece of video footage

396
00:16:03.293 --> 00:16:07.757
or a song of Michael Jackson's
that I don't already know.

397
00:16:07.792 --> 00:16:09.693
♪ Went R&B top ten hit ♪

398
00:16:09.728 --> 00:16:12.597
♪ And we had T-Pain singing
all of our own shit ♪

399
00:16:12.632 --> 00:16:14.698
♪ Fuck that, though,
yo, I'm a Juggalo ♪

400
00:16:14.733 --> 00:16:17.371
♪ I'm a Jugga-lugga-lo
fo' sho' ♪

401
00:16:17.406 --> 00:16:19.769
- Michael Jackson
is without a doubt

402
00:16:19.804 --> 00:16:22.277
the biggest influence.

403
00:16:22.312 --> 00:16:24.180
- You know you really
gotta dig somebody

404
00:16:24.215 --> 00:16:26.281
to get a tattoo of them,
you know what I'm saying?

405
00:16:26.316 --> 00:16:28.151
Oh!

406
00:16:28.186 --> 00:16:31.121
- [Violent J] You take Michael
Jackson, mix him with NWA

407
00:16:31.156 --> 00:16:33.552
and throw some
Pearl Jam in there.

408
00:16:33.587 --> 00:16:36.654
(singing long notes)

409
00:16:39.164 --> 00:16:41.263
And somehow out of
that weird concoction

410
00:16:41.298 --> 00:16:43.727
is the Insane Clown Posse.

411
00:16:43.762 --> 00:16:47.302
I mean, can't you
tell, listening to ICP?

412
00:16:48.569 --> 00:16:50.173
We're huge Michael Jackson fans.

413
00:16:50.208 --> 00:16:51.603
- Look at this horrible
picture they used.

414
00:16:51.638 --> 00:16:55.508
He looks like the
fuckin' Toxic Avenger.

415
00:16:55.543 --> 00:16:57.411
♪ Drop the motherfuckers
all the way to Delray ♪

416
00:16:57.446 --> 00:16:59.380
- [Violent J] When we started
rapping, when we were kids,

417
00:16:59.415 --> 00:17:02.086
this was gang ridden territory.

418
00:17:03.683 --> 00:17:05.815
That's what we'd rap about.

419
00:17:05.850 --> 00:17:07.553
And all of our friends
were like, yeah,

420
00:17:07.588 --> 00:17:08.686
you know what I mean?

421
00:17:08.721 --> 00:17:11.326
Make more shit about Southwest.

422
00:17:13.660 --> 00:17:15.264
I was working at a gas station.

423
00:17:15.299 --> 00:17:17.167
He was working at
a Coney island.

424
00:17:17.202 --> 00:17:19.598
Every single fuckin' dime
went right into the pot.

425
00:17:19.633 --> 00:17:21.798
My girlfriend's paycheck
went right into the pot.

426
00:17:21.833 --> 00:17:24.405
That was plenty
to get us started.

427
00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:25.835
We recorded our first EP.

428
00:17:25.870 --> 00:17:27.177
And we were gangsters.

429
00:17:27.212 --> 00:17:28.805
We were doing the gangster rap.

430
00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:30.708
♪ Violent J servin'
ghetto hard street shit ♪

431
00:17:30.743 --> 00:17:32.413
♪ You know it's potent when
the funky-ass beat hit ♪

432
00:17:32.448 --> 00:17:34.283
♪ Rolling the dice and
we's hittin' point ♪

433
00:17:34.318 --> 00:17:35.449
♪ ICP! ♪

434
00:17:35.484 --> 00:17:37.121
♪ Out of Southwest Detroit ♪

435
00:17:37.156 --> 00:17:38.551
♪ Running with a gang
of twenty street hoods ♪

436
00:17:38.586 --> 00:17:40.190
- [Violent J] We had
our EP, Dog Beats,

437
00:17:40.225 --> 00:17:42.126
in every record
store, everywhere.

438
00:17:42.161 --> 00:17:44.392
- [Shaggy] We were given
a mission from God.

439
00:17:44.427 --> 00:17:45.789
- They're not going to catch us,

440
00:17:45.824 --> 00:17:47.725
we're on a mission from God.

441
00:17:47.760 --> 00:17:49.133
- [Violent J] Went
to every record store

442
00:17:49.168 --> 00:17:50.860
we could find in the phone book.

443
00:17:50.895 --> 00:17:52.565
We used to go way out in the
middle of nowhere and steal

444
00:17:52.600 --> 00:17:54.732
the phone books
from the Denny's.

445
00:17:54.767 --> 00:17:56.668
- [Shaggy] Just so you
can look up record stores.

446
00:17:56.703 --> 00:17:58.439
- Lot of people would put
them in their neighborhood

447
00:17:58.474 --> 00:17:59.770
and that was it.

448
00:17:59.805 --> 00:18:02.113
These aspiring
rappers, they sucked.

449
00:18:02.148 --> 00:18:04.676
They had no heart,
man, no fuckin' drive.

450
00:18:04.711 --> 00:18:07.217
♪ Inner City Posse's
got the Dog Beats ♪

451
00:18:07.252 --> 00:18:09.615
♪ ICP we got the Dog Beats ♪

452
00:18:09.650 --> 00:18:11.353
- [Violent J] With Dog
Beats, everywhere the

453
00:18:11.388 --> 00:18:14.422
car could drive, we
had it on consignment.

454
00:18:14.457 --> 00:18:16.688
- So many other local bands
in Detroit at the time

455
00:18:16.723 --> 00:18:18.195
would lie to us.

456
00:18:19.792 --> 00:18:20.890
- They would say, "How
many have you guys sold?"

457
00:18:20.925 --> 00:18:22.826
And we'd say, oh man, "2,800".

458
00:18:22.861 --> 00:18:26.698
And they would say, "Oh, you
guys got a ways to go, man.

459
00:18:26.733 --> 00:18:28.799
We're at like 8,000."

460
00:18:28.834 --> 00:18:29.800
- And then we
would be like, how?

461
00:18:29.835 --> 00:18:31.703
- How?

462
00:18:31.738 --> 00:18:33.276
- How are they doing it,
you know? They were lying.

463
00:18:33.311 --> 00:18:35.146
But come to know
later they were lying,

464
00:18:35.181 --> 00:18:36.708
but we would all of a
sudden have to meet 8,000.

465
00:18:36.743 --> 00:18:37.841
So we would just go home and...

466
00:18:37.876 --> 00:18:39.183
- [Shaggy] Must work harder.

467
00:18:39.218 --> 00:18:40.184
- [Violent J] Must work harder.

468
00:18:40.219 --> 00:18:41.614
- [Shaggy] All work.

469
00:18:41.649 --> 00:18:43.253
- [Violent J] No
time for pleasure.

470
00:18:43.288 --> 00:18:44.650
- No playing, no
time for pleasure.

471
00:18:44.685 --> 00:18:46.817
♪ Bow wow wow yippy
yo yippy yay ♪

472
00:18:46.852 --> 00:18:48.390
- Everywhere, flyers.

473
00:18:48.425 --> 00:18:49.853
24 hours at Kinko's
all the time.

474
00:18:49.888 --> 00:18:51.855
Our Kinko's hustle was
pretty immaculate, man.

475
00:18:51.890 --> 00:18:54.858
They had these little blue
keys and it was a copy counter.

476
00:18:54.893 --> 00:18:56.695
They had a resetter
right by the counter.

477
00:18:56.730 --> 00:18:58.334
So we're like, yo we're
fucking stealing one of those.

478
00:18:58.369 --> 00:19:00.501
Put like a 105 on the key,

479
00:19:00.536 --> 00:19:02.635
but we really were
off like 2,000.

480
00:19:02.670 --> 00:19:04.604
It was never hot chicks
up in there, but you know,

481
00:19:04.639 --> 00:19:06.771
somebody would be banging a
broad, you know what I'm saying?

482
00:19:06.806 --> 00:19:08.575
To get free color
copies in the back.

483
00:19:08.610 --> 00:19:10.478
- [Kinko's Spokesperson] Kinkos.

484
00:19:10.513 --> 00:19:14.284
Your branch shop is 24 hours
a day, seven days a week.

485
00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:16.550
- [Rudy] I remember
one particular evening

486
00:19:16.585 --> 00:19:18.948
before they went on stage.

487
00:19:18.983 --> 00:19:22.655
Joe came along with some
clown wigs from Halloween.

488
00:19:22.690 --> 00:19:25.262
I was like, this
is not gonna work.

489
00:19:25.297 --> 00:19:27.726
My boys are rapping
about breaking into cars,

490
00:19:27.761 --> 00:19:30.498
beating up guys, stealing,

491
00:19:30.533 --> 00:19:32.269
fucking chicks.

492
00:19:32.304 --> 00:19:33.930
And then here you come out with

493
00:19:33.965 --> 00:19:36.900
a clown wig, you know, on stage.

494
00:19:36.935 --> 00:19:40.211
And I remember the reaction of
the other artists backstage.

495
00:19:40.246 --> 00:19:43.511
They're like, "The fuck
are these guys doing?"

496
00:19:43.546 --> 00:19:46.217
- It's fun to paint your
face and hide behind that.

497
00:19:46.252 --> 00:19:47.878
I can fuck up now, I'm a clown.

498
00:19:47.913 --> 00:19:49.715
You already expect me
to do something stupid.

499
00:19:49.750 --> 00:19:51.321
Cause I had clown paint on.

500
00:19:51.356 --> 00:19:55.391
There's something
refreshing about that.

501
00:19:55.426 --> 00:19:58.790
(audience cheering)

502
00:19:58.825 --> 00:20:00.957
- [Rudy] And then the word
got around about these clowns.

503
00:20:00.992 --> 00:20:02.662
These clowns, man,
with the wigs.

504
00:20:02.697 --> 00:20:04.796
These guys were stealing shows.

505
00:20:04.831 --> 00:20:07.568
They were coming in,
doing the fucking deal

506
00:20:07.603 --> 00:20:09.240
and then leaving.

507
00:20:09.275 --> 00:20:10.472
And everybody was
leaving with them.

508
00:20:10.507 --> 00:20:12.441
♪ Hey, Faygo, say, Faygo, ♪

509
00:20:12.476 --> 00:20:15.576
♪ What a way to go, Faygo ♪

510
00:20:15.611 --> 00:20:17.875
♪ That precious
sauce, Juggalo Juice ♪

511
00:20:17.910 --> 00:20:20.746
♪ Crack that fat boy,
let it go loose ♪

512
00:20:20.781 --> 00:20:22.550
- [Violent J] Run-DMC had Adidas

513
00:20:22.585 --> 00:20:25.388
and the Beastie Boys had
White Castle hamburgers.

514
00:20:25.423 --> 00:20:27.885
- Let me get 800 cheeseburgers.

515
00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:31.526
- [Violent J] So we had Faygo.

516
00:20:31.561 --> 00:20:33.594
- [Shaggy] Lot of shit was just
natural shit that happened.

517
00:20:33.629 --> 00:20:34.595
You know what I'm saying?

518
00:20:34.630 --> 00:20:36.399
We had Faygo onstage.

519
00:20:36.434 --> 00:20:37.796
Got excited, started
spraying it around and shit.

520
00:20:37.831 --> 00:20:39.699
Kids fuckin' loved
that they were there.

521
00:20:39.734 --> 00:20:42.031
We love fuckin' doing it. We
just did it more and more.

522
00:20:42.066 --> 00:20:43.637
- [Violent J]
That's who we were.

523
00:20:43.672 --> 00:20:46.409
We always had a two
liter, you know.

524
00:20:47.676 --> 00:20:49.544
What the fuck, man?

525
00:20:49.579 --> 00:20:52.547
We used to pass fuckin' two
liters like they were 40s.

526
00:20:52.582 --> 00:20:53.911
- Straight up.

527
00:20:53.946 --> 00:20:56.045
- And now I remember
this clearly.

528
00:20:56.080 --> 00:20:58.454
I remember Joe saying

529
00:20:58.489 --> 00:20:59.950
Insane Clown Posse.

530
00:21:02.427 --> 00:21:04.823
The reaction from our crew was

531
00:21:06.926 --> 00:21:09.729
(crickets)

532
00:21:09.764 --> 00:21:11.368
Do you think?

533
00:21:11.403 --> 00:21:13.062
♪ Gotta go, gotta get
before I get the wrap ♪

534
00:21:13.097 --> 00:21:15.537
♪ Gotta chopped off head
chilling in my lap ♪

535
00:21:15.572 --> 00:21:17.407
♪ Mr. Shrink, Mr.
Shrink, I'm sick ♪

536
00:21:17.442 --> 00:21:19.805
♪ Lunatick-tick-tock,
it don't quit ♪

537
00:21:19.840 --> 00:21:24.810
- [Rudy] We're watching the
crowds and there's like 75.

538
00:21:26.616 --> 00:21:27.582
Then we're coming around
again and there's like 250.

539
00:21:27.617 --> 00:21:28.583
We made fuckin' money.

540
00:21:28.618 --> 00:21:29.584
Here's your money.

541
00:21:29.619 --> 00:21:31.014
You got something.

542
00:21:31.049 --> 00:21:32.455
I think it was 25
bucks or something,

543
00:21:32.490 --> 00:21:34.754
but it was 25 bucks, dammit.

544
00:21:36.362 --> 00:21:38.087
Who wants to go get a
fuckin' real job now?

545
00:21:38.122 --> 00:21:39.561
- We thought we were rich, man.

546
00:21:39.596 --> 00:21:41.024
- We were fuckin' getting paid.

547
00:21:41.059 --> 00:21:43.730
We were driving new cars

548
00:21:43.765 --> 00:21:45.864
because, well we
drove one new car

549
00:21:45.899 --> 00:21:49.406
and that was for times we
needed to look impressive.

550
00:21:49.441 --> 00:21:51.001
We had a Suzuki Sidekick

551
00:21:51.036 --> 00:21:53.575
that way when we pulled
up to the in stores,

552
00:21:53.610 --> 00:21:55.610
you know, we were fresh.

553
00:21:57.416 --> 00:22:00.109
- [Shaggy] This right here
behind us is St. Andrews Hall.

554
00:22:00.144 --> 00:22:02.584
Hey, who's playing here tonight?

555
00:22:02.619 --> 00:22:03.453
Who?

556
00:22:03.488 --> 00:22:04.883
- (Indistinct)

557
00:22:04.918 --> 00:22:06.786
- Lights or something.

558
00:22:06.821 --> 00:22:07.655
You know what I'm saying?

559
00:22:07.690 --> 00:22:08.656
- Fudge?

560
00:22:08.691 --> 00:22:09.789
- Did they say Fudge?

561
00:22:09.824 --> 00:22:11.560
- The history in this building.

562
00:22:11.595 --> 00:22:13.661
Nirvana, Pearl Jam, INXS.

563
00:22:14.664 --> 00:22:15.696
- ICP.

564
00:22:15.731 --> 00:22:16.598
- ICP.

565
00:22:17.964 --> 00:22:19.667
♪ I'm running with a
Southwest street gang ♪

566
00:22:19.702 --> 00:22:21.669
♪ And I never let my
Southwest meat hang ♪

567
00:22:21.704 --> 00:22:23.737
♪ 'Cause you know
what ICP's all about ♪

568
00:22:23.772 --> 00:22:24.903
♪ Take a brick off the street ♪

569
00:22:24.938 --> 00:22:26.069
♪ And bust you in the mouth ♪

570
00:22:26.104 --> 00:22:27.972
♪ Find the girl's daddy's rich ♪

571
00:22:28.007 --> 00:22:30.106
♪ And his sweet little
angel's my sewer freak bitch ♪

572
00:22:30.141 --> 00:22:32.647
- [Linda] It was just a real
thrill the first time I saw it,

573
00:22:32.682 --> 00:22:35.551
when I went to the first
concert and I saw the Juggalos

574
00:22:35.586 --> 00:22:38.081
in line going
around the building.

575
00:22:38.116 --> 00:22:40.523
To me, I just
couldn't believe it.

576
00:22:40.558 --> 00:22:44.054
I couldn't say, "get
a real job" anymore.

577
00:22:44.089 --> 00:22:46.892
I wanted them to have the
Bruce Brothers Hobby Shop.

578
00:22:46.927 --> 00:22:48.795
I keep asking, "is
that going to happen?"

579
00:22:48.830 --> 00:22:52.436
And they said, "Well, maybe
someday it might happen."

580
00:22:52.471 --> 00:22:53.767
- We had this wonderful
thing going on.

581
00:22:53.802 --> 00:22:55.098
We're making money at it.

582
00:22:55.133 --> 00:22:56.440
We're making a living.

583
00:22:56.475 --> 00:22:57.771
We're able to raise our kids.

584
00:22:57.806 --> 00:22:59.135
As far as albums we've sold,

585
00:22:59.170 --> 00:23:00.741
if you combine them all,

586
00:23:00.776 --> 00:23:03.007
I think it's something
around 10 million.

587
00:23:03.042 --> 00:23:06.076
It might be as
much as 14 million.

588
00:23:06.111 --> 00:23:07.979
- [Shaggy] Thirty years
later, we're still working.

589
00:23:08.014 --> 00:23:09.519
Just like we always have.

590
00:23:09.554 --> 00:23:11.180
We still put out
records, we still tour.

591
00:23:11.215 --> 00:23:12.753
- [Violent J] We still move
merchandise all over the world.

592
00:23:12.788 --> 00:23:14.425
You can't download a t-shirt.

593
00:23:14.460 --> 00:23:17.021
You can't download
a pair of thongs.

594
00:23:17.056 --> 00:23:20.662
(energetic hip hop beats)

595
00:23:23.964 --> 00:23:25.700
It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out

596
00:23:25.735 --> 00:23:27.603
why we're still in business

597
00:23:27.638 --> 00:23:30.001
and why this act became real.

598
00:23:30.036 --> 00:23:35.072
Because it's destiny,
man, it's our destiny.

599
00:23:37.681 --> 00:23:39.582
- [Video Narrator]
Psychopathic records presents

600
00:23:39.617 --> 00:23:43.685
the infamous, world famous
Gathering of the Juggalos.

601
00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:46.820
And this year's four day
long outdoor music festival

602
00:23:46.855 --> 00:23:50.824
of freshness, flavor and
motherfucking freedom.

603
00:23:50.859 --> 00:23:52.463
Fuck work.

604
00:23:52.498 --> 00:23:53.596
Tell them your Juggalo
homies said they can

605
00:23:53.631 --> 00:23:56.060
eat a dick up till they hiccup.

606
00:23:57.734 --> 00:24:00.603
(whimsical music)

607
00:24:20.185 --> 00:24:24.891
- [Shaggy] The Gathering is a
family reunion for Juggalos.

608
00:24:24.926 --> 00:24:27.190
A weekend of pure bliss, fun

609
00:24:28.996 --> 00:24:30.666
and nonstop flavor.

610
00:24:35.805 --> 00:24:36.903
- Where did you get that?

611
00:24:36.938 --> 00:24:38.036
- [Man Behind Camera] Get what?

612
00:24:38.071 --> 00:24:39.642
- Get dick in your mouth!

613
00:24:43.615 --> 00:24:45.648
- The reason why The
Gathering is so important

614
00:24:45.683 --> 00:24:48.882
is because that is the
one week out of the year

615
00:24:48.917 --> 00:24:51.885
where a Juggalo, who
is probably ostracized

616
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.524
in his or her community,

617
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:56.890
can unite with people
who are just like them.

618
00:24:56.925 --> 00:25:00.157
- We're here this weekend
to fucking rage and party

619
00:25:00.192 --> 00:25:02.929
and then clean up
after ourselves.

620
00:25:02.964 --> 00:25:06.636
(epic orchestra crescendo)

621
00:25:08.299 --> 00:25:11.300
- [Rob] It draws between five
and 10,000 people every year.

622
00:25:11.335 --> 00:25:13.610
Juggalos that come
to the gathering,

623
00:25:13.645 --> 00:25:17.042
they're the most diehard
Juggalos that there are.

624
00:25:17.077 --> 00:25:19.715
- It took me 36
hours to get here.

625
00:25:19.750 --> 00:25:21.882
- Traveling for about 55 hours.

626
00:25:21.917 --> 00:25:24.016
- Dude, I quit both
my jobs to be here.

627
00:25:24.051 --> 00:25:25.688
- I'm out on bond right now.

628
00:25:25.723 --> 00:25:27.690
I'm not even supposed
to be here, real talk.

629
00:25:27.725 --> 00:25:30.187
- I think if I died, my soul
would've made the journey.

630
00:25:30.222 --> 00:25:32.123
I'd still be here.

631
00:25:32.158 --> 00:25:33.256
- [Man Behind Camera] You
guys go to The Gathering?

632
00:25:33.291 --> 00:25:34.257
(group exclaiming in unison)

633
00:25:34.292 --> 00:25:35.425
- Ah hell no, man.

634
00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:37.029
I heard them Juggalos are
like gang members and shit.

635
00:25:37.064 --> 00:25:38.800
- They crazy!

636
00:25:38.835 --> 00:25:41.099
- Yeah we don't
associate with that shit.

637
00:25:41.134 --> 00:25:42.969
- These guys will
always be outcasts.

638
00:25:43.004 --> 00:25:45.136
Juggalos will never be cool,

639
00:25:45.171 --> 00:25:47.578
but that's the way
we like it though.

640
00:25:47.613 --> 00:25:49.074
Hey brother, you okay?

641
00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:50.306
- [Woman] Yeah.

642
00:25:51.617 --> 00:25:52.242
- It was a woman.

643
00:25:52.277 --> 00:25:53.144
My bad.

644
00:25:54.785 --> 00:25:56.587
A lot of these women are

645
00:25:56.622 --> 00:25:58.820
plus size, shall we say?

646
00:25:58.855 --> 00:26:01.185
But they're walking around
in bikinis or topless.

647
00:26:01.220 --> 00:26:03.627
And I love that because
it is such an affront

648
00:26:03.662 --> 00:26:07.092
to the bullshit beauty standards
that we have in society.

649
00:26:07.127 --> 00:26:08.929
If they were on a
normal beach somewhere,

650
00:26:08.964 --> 00:26:10.667
everybody would be giving
them shit for that.

651
00:26:10.702 --> 00:26:12.702
Here, no one cares.

652
00:26:12.737 --> 00:26:14.165
- [Margee] Lots of
body pride here.

653
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:16.035
I have seen some women
who are so super proud

654
00:26:16.070 --> 00:26:18.202
of their bodies and
that is very inspiring.

655
00:26:18.237 --> 00:26:20.204
- [Jason] It doesn't
matter how you look.

656
00:26:20.239 --> 00:26:22.305
It doesn't matter how
much money you make.

657
00:26:22.340 --> 00:26:24.978
It doesn't matter what part
of the country you come from.

658
00:26:25.013 --> 00:26:25.979
You come here,

659
00:26:26.014 --> 00:26:28.718
you're just one of us.

660
00:26:28.753 --> 00:26:30.654
It's just like in that old
movie, Freaks, you know.

661
00:26:30.689 --> 00:26:33.822
One of us, one of us,
gooble, gobble, one of us.

662
00:26:33.857 --> 00:26:35.956
We accept her, we accept her.

663
00:26:35.991 --> 00:26:37.287
♪ One of us ♪

664
00:26:37.322 --> 00:26:40.290
♪ We accept her, one of us ♪

665
00:26:40.325 --> 00:26:42.633
♪ We accept her, one of us ♪

666
00:26:42.668 --> 00:26:44.833
♪ Gooble, gobble,
gooble, gobble ♪

667
00:26:44.868 --> 00:26:48.298
♪ One of us, one of us ♪

668
00:26:48.333 --> 00:26:49.970
- I think it's important
that people understand

669
00:26:50.005 --> 00:26:52.038
that Juggalos are really
the last real subculture

670
00:26:52.073 --> 00:26:53.336
left in America.

671
00:26:55.241 --> 00:26:58.847
Because when you think about
all of the classic subcultures,

672
00:26:58.882 --> 00:27:01.916
you think of punk, you
think of mods and rockers.

673
00:27:01.951 --> 00:27:03.786
You think of goths.

674
00:27:03.821 --> 00:27:05.183
Groups that were considered
a subculture at one time

675
00:27:05.218 --> 00:27:08.054
have now been absorbed
by the mainstream.

676
00:27:08.089 --> 00:27:09.825
In order for a group of people

677
00:27:09.860 --> 00:27:11.893
to be considered a subculture,

678
00:27:11.928 --> 00:27:13.829
the mainstream has to hate you.

679
00:27:13.864 --> 00:27:15.226
You know, you can take
it back to England

680
00:27:15.261 --> 00:27:17.129
in the seventies,

681
00:27:17.164 --> 00:27:19.197
when you had the sex
pistols and you had

682
00:27:19.232 --> 00:27:23.938
the Damned and all those
old school British punks.

683
00:27:23.973 --> 00:27:25.907
They were not welcomed
with open arms.

684
00:27:25.942 --> 00:27:29.405
The media and the government
wanted them shut down.

685
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.847
We live in an age where
all of those old previous

686
00:27:31.882 --> 00:27:35.114
subcultures have ceased
to be subculture.

687
00:27:35.149 --> 00:27:37.083
But Juggalos are
still a group that is

688
00:27:37.118 --> 00:27:39.921
reviled and misunderstood.

689
00:27:39.956 --> 00:27:42.891
And I think that those
are two of the attitudes

690
00:27:42.926 --> 00:27:46.356
that are going to create any
subculture that has strength.

691
00:27:46.391 --> 00:27:48.765
They're not going to like you,

692
00:27:48.800 --> 00:27:50.998
and they're not going
to understand you.

693
00:27:51.033 --> 00:27:53.297
- [Violent J] Why did the
FBI say Juggalos are a gang?

694
00:27:53.332 --> 00:27:56.267
You know, you gotta ask the
fuckin' stupid-ass FBI that

695
00:27:56.302 --> 00:27:59.336
because I don't
know why that is.

696
00:27:59.371 --> 00:28:01.008
- [Shaggy] The FBI
never contacted us,

697
00:28:01.043 --> 00:28:05.309
asked us what Juggalos
were about, anything.

698
00:28:05.344 --> 00:28:08.818
- First I heard the report, I
thought it was just a rumor.

699
00:28:08.853 --> 00:28:10.919
I think I asked
somebody to look it up

700
00:28:10.954 --> 00:28:12.756
and it was a official.

701
00:28:12.791 --> 00:28:15.924
Like official, like
a referee whistle.

702
00:28:15.959 --> 00:28:17.420
It was like (whistle).

703
00:28:17.455 --> 00:28:19.488
Hold up, you're
a gangster. What?

704
00:28:19.523 --> 00:28:21.061
You're going to jail. What?

705
00:28:21.096 --> 00:28:22.458
That's my first thought. What?

706
00:28:22.493 --> 00:28:24.031
Are we going to jail?

707
00:28:24.066 --> 00:28:25.461
Are we fuckin' get
locked up for this shit?

708
00:28:25.496 --> 00:28:28.431
What does that make
us, gang leaders?

709
00:28:33.471 --> 00:28:35.977
The thing is Juggalos
aren't a gang.

710
00:28:36.012 --> 00:28:36.879
- Right.

711
00:28:39.246 --> 00:28:41.081
- It kind of sickens me.

712
00:28:41.116 --> 00:28:43.787
It's added so much to the
prejudice that we already had.

713
00:28:43.822 --> 00:28:45.756
It was already the most
hated band in the world.

714
00:28:45.791 --> 00:28:48.319
And if I wore a Insane
Clown Posse t-shirt

715
00:28:48.354 --> 00:28:50.189
and I walked down the street,

716
00:28:50.224 --> 00:28:52.488
some people would already treat
me like I'm less than them.

717
00:28:52.523 --> 00:28:56.063
Now there's a government agency
telling everyone it's okay.

718
00:28:56.098 --> 00:28:57.262
You can be prejudiced
against them.

719
00:28:57.297 --> 00:28:58.430
They're criminal.

720
00:29:01.202 --> 00:29:03.807
- If I get labeled a gang
member because of what the FBI

721
00:29:03.842 --> 00:29:06.205
has labeled everybody, I could
lose my security clearance.

722
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:08.108
I could lose my job.

723
00:29:08.143 --> 00:29:10.044
- I've had somebody make
the comment where I work,

724
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.507
"Oh, well, you're
a gang member."

725
00:29:11.542 --> 00:29:13.146
I've never broken the law.

726
00:29:13.181 --> 00:29:14.950
I've never been to
jail, at least, OK,

727
00:29:14.985 --> 00:29:16.413
I worked in a jail,

728
00:29:16.448 --> 00:29:19.317
but I've never been
to jail unwillingly.

729
00:29:19.352 --> 00:29:20.824
♪ Say fuck the world ♪

730
00:29:20.859 --> 00:29:22.320
♪ Fuck the world! ♪

731
00:29:22.355 --> 00:29:25.257
♪ If I only could I'd
set the world on fire ♪

732
00:29:25.292 --> 00:29:26.797
♪ Fuck 'em all ♪

733
00:29:26.832 --> 00:29:28.326
♪ Fuck 'em all ♪

734
00:29:28.361 --> 00:29:30.196
- [Juggalo] I was
riding my bike.

735
00:29:30.231 --> 00:29:32.099
I just had my backpack that
has a hatchet man on it.

736
00:29:32.134 --> 00:29:35.003
The policeman pulled me over
and he started questioning me,

737
00:29:35.038 --> 00:29:36.565
started searching me.

738
00:29:36.600 --> 00:29:39.810
He asked me my gang
affiliation, what rank I was.

739
00:29:39.845 --> 00:29:42.538
♪ Fuck all fifty
two states, oooh ♪

740
00:29:42.573 --> 00:29:44.474
♪ And fuck you ♪

741
00:29:44.509 --> 00:29:46.344
- The only probable cause that
they have is this right here.

742
00:29:46.379 --> 00:29:48.478
- You can get stopped on
the street just for wearing

743
00:29:48.513 --> 00:29:50.480
a Riddle Box sweatshirt

744
00:29:50.515 --> 00:29:53.549
or sporting a Hatchetman
charm around your neck.

745
00:29:53.584 --> 00:29:55.892
Cops can and they do stop you.

746
00:29:55.927 --> 00:29:57.223
They will photograph you
and they'll take a picture

747
00:29:57.258 --> 00:29:59.093
of your tattoo.

748
00:29:59.128 --> 00:30:01.359
They'll put you on a gang
list just for wearing clothes.

749
00:30:01.394 --> 00:30:03.999
- What the fuck is that?

750
00:30:04.034 --> 00:30:07.200
You got like a mom taking
her 14 year old son,

751
00:30:07.235 --> 00:30:10.302
to go to Hot Topic, to buy
an Insane Clown Posse shirt.

752
00:30:10.337 --> 00:30:12.843
This kid's a gang member?

753
00:30:12.878 --> 00:30:16.077
Somehow he's in the
same boat as MS-13?

754
00:30:17.575 --> 00:30:18.442
Bullshit.

755
00:30:20.017 --> 00:30:21.577
- Our daughter is
four years old.

756
00:30:21.612 --> 00:30:23.414
So are they gonna consider
her a gang member?

757
00:30:23.449 --> 00:30:25.020
- So I was trying to
reenlist in the military.

758
00:30:25.055 --> 00:30:26.318
All the recruiters
pretty much like, hey,

759
00:30:26.353 --> 00:30:27.825
ICP tattoos, no.

760
00:30:29.224 --> 00:30:31.092
Gang affiliated, you know?

761
00:30:31.127 --> 00:30:32.225
Cause it's a question on
there, are you affiliated

762
00:30:32.260 --> 00:30:34.260
with any gang or have been?

763
00:30:34.295 --> 00:30:36.196
- I got arrested
for a DUI and I got

764
00:30:36.231 --> 00:30:37.901
separated into a gang unit.

765
00:30:37.936 --> 00:30:40.464
Locked up with all
these gang members,

766
00:30:40.499 --> 00:30:43.005
Nortes and Crips and Bloods.

767
00:30:43.040 --> 00:30:46.041
I'm not going to
lie, it's terrifying.

768
00:30:46.076 --> 00:30:48.945
♪ Fuck the police,
and the 5-0 too ♪

769
00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:50.111
- [Male Juggalo] If police
look at your car and

770
00:30:50.146 --> 00:30:51.508
they determine that's a Juggalo,

771
00:30:51.543 --> 00:30:54.016
hundred percent, you're
getting pulled over.

772
00:30:54.051 --> 00:30:55.886
- [Female Juggalo] They
start pulling stuff out.

773
00:30:55.921 --> 00:30:57.316
We're like, this is gonna take
us hours to pack it again.

774
00:30:57.351 --> 00:30:59.087
It took us four hours
to put it in there.

775
00:30:59.122 --> 00:31:00.990
We get back on the
expressway and sure enough,

776
00:31:01.025 --> 00:31:02.651
if we don't pass the same
cops and they have a Juggalo

777
00:31:02.686 --> 00:31:04.928
pulled over and all their
stuff pulled out of their car.

778
00:31:04.963 --> 00:31:07.524
- People were getting fucked
with on a major level.

779
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.032
- We did not understand
the magnitude of how it

780
00:31:10.067 --> 00:31:11.561
would fuck up Juggalos.

781
00:31:11.596 --> 00:31:13.266
- Didn't know the
repercussions of it, you know?

782
00:31:13.301 --> 00:31:15.268
- And once we started
getting the reports,

783
00:31:15.303 --> 00:31:18.601
the jokes stopped and
the freshness ended

784
00:31:19.978 --> 00:31:22.209
and it just started sucking.

785
00:31:22.244 --> 00:31:23.606
- [Crowd] Fuck the FBI!

786
00:31:23.641 --> 00:31:25.311
Fuck the FBI!

787
00:31:25.346 --> 00:31:26.411
Fuck the FBI!

788
00:31:27.986 --> 00:31:29.348
- You know if this were to

789
00:31:29.383 --> 00:31:31.152
happen to a band
that America liked,

790
00:31:31.187 --> 00:31:33.649
the country would be
up in arms about this.

791
00:31:33.684 --> 00:31:36.157
But it happened to the
Insane Clown Posse.

792
00:31:36.192 --> 00:31:37.554
So it's a joke.

793
00:31:37.589 --> 00:31:39.688
Stop and take us
out of the equation.

794
00:31:39.723 --> 00:31:41.624
Look what they're saying.

795
00:31:41.659 --> 00:31:44.693
- If the Juggalos qualify
as a criminal street gang,

796
00:31:44.728 --> 00:31:46.332
many other groups of fans

797
00:31:46.367 --> 00:31:49.203
could be similarly categorized.

798
00:31:49.238 --> 00:31:53.042
For example, fans of
particular sports teams.

799
00:31:59.347 --> 00:32:02.051
A lot of the gangs
use sports memorabilia

800
00:32:02.086 --> 00:32:03.712
as their gang logo.

801
00:32:03.747 --> 00:32:05.615
If you're in a gang neighborhood

802
00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:09.487
wearing that particular
jersey or cap or whatnot,

803
00:32:09.522 --> 00:32:12.963
law enforcement can use
that as probable cause

804
00:32:12.998 --> 00:32:15.691
for stopping and searching.

805
00:32:15.726 --> 00:32:18.199
- The gang label was misguided,

806
00:32:18.234 --> 00:32:20.630
but it was also very
intentional because I feel like

807
00:32:20.665 --> 00:32:22.599
America hates the poor.

808
00:32:22.634 --> 00:32:26.141
- Right now I work
in a restaurant.

809
00:32:26.176 --> 00:32:27.571
It's okay.

810
00:32:27.606 --> 00:32:29.210
- Oh yeah, me? I work
at a hardware store.

811
00:32:29.245 --> 00:32:30.409
I admit to doing that.

812
00:32:30.444 --> 00:32:33.445
- I work at taco bell for now.

813
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.348
I mean, it's
something to get by.

814
00:32:35.383 --> 00:32:37.119
- I do roofing for a living.

815
00:32:37.154 --> 00:32:39.352
- Oh, I mow grass.

816
00:32:39.387 --> 00:32:41.024
- [Female Juggalo]
99% Of my friends,

817
00:32:41.059 --> 00:32:43.587
they're in the service
industry, fry cooks,

818
00:32:43.622 --> 00:32:46.623
just on the bottom
chain of society.

819
00:32:46.658 --> 00:32:50.429
So to see any unity between
these people is a major threat.

820
00:32:50.464 --> 00:32:53.696
Like if they're going
to come after these kids

821
00:32:53.731 --> 00:32:57.601
who put on face paint
and throw cheap soda,

822
00:32:57.636 --> 00:32:59.174
I mean really, come on.

823
00:32:59.209 --> 00:33:00.670
It's the most harmless thing.

824
00:33:00.705 --> 00:33:02.342
If they're gonna
to come after that,

825
00:33:02.377 --> 00:33:05.081
what are they going
to come after next?

826
00:33:07.613 --> 00:33:10.284
(baby wailing)

827
00:33:14.191 --> 00:33:16.785
- Yeah, we've been
together for 16 years now.

828
00:33:16.820 --> 00:33:19.161
We've been married for seven.

829
00:33:19.196 --> 00:33:20.591
- Eight.

830
00:33:20.626 --> 00:33:22.791
- Eight, oh my goodness, yes.

831
00:33:22.826 --> 00:33:24.496
- I love you, bye.

832
00:33:24.531 --> 00:33:25.398
Love you.

833
00:33:27.105 --> 00:33:28.269
- [Natalie] There he goes.

834
00:33:28.304 --> 00:33:29.798
Love you.

835
00:33:29.833 --> 00:33:31.404
Love you.

836
00:33:31.439 --> 00:33:33.043
Bye babe.

837
00:33:33.078 --> 00:33:35.540
Today I got ready for
work with you guys.

838
00:33:35.575 --> 00:33:37.047
I drove to work.

839
00:33:38.248 --> 00:33:39.775
I love what I do.

840
00:33:39.810 --> 00:33:41.810
They have me on their pamphlets.

841
00:33:41.845 --> 00:33:44.186
It was just like any
normal, typical day.

842
00:33:44.221 --> 00:33:45.748
Except for, you know,
you guys watched me

843
00:33:45.783 --> 00:33:48.190
out in the parking lot.

844
00:33:48.225 --> 00:33:50.621
At the end of my workday after
I'd seen all my patients,

845
00:33:50.656 --> 00:33:53.723
I received a phone call from
the head of human resources,

846
00:33:53.758 --> 00:33:57.199
wanting to know what this
documentary was about.

847
00:33:57.234 --> 00:33:59.333
So I told her it was about
music that we listen to

848
00:33:59.368 --> 00:34:03.436
and how the music is associated
with being in a gang.

849
00:34:03.471 --> 00:34:05.801
And they terminated me.

850
00:34:05.836 --> 00:34:08.705
- It's like some
crazy communist shit.

851
00:34:08.740 --> 00:34:10.344
I don't know what
a communist is,

852
00:34:10.379 --> 00:34:13.116
but I know this feels
like some big, powerful,

853
00:34:13.151 --> 00:34:15.283
scary government bullshit.

854
00:34:16.682 --> 00:34:18.583
- There's no word to
describe how insane,

855
00:34:18.618 --> 00:34:21.289
how crazy, how asinine it is.

856
00:34:21.324 --> 00:34:23.786
I'm about to start
making words up.

857
00:34:23.821 --> 00:34:25.623
And just think if
we just rolled over

858
00:34:25.658 --> 00:34:26.789
and took it up the ass,

859
00:34:26.824 --> 00:34:28.428
where would it stop?

860
00:34:28.463 --> 00:34:32.234
If we don't do something
about it, who's next?

861
00:34:38.869 --> 00:34:41.276
- Check this out, there's
some real shit here, man.

862
00:34:41.311 --> 00:34:42.706
Real shit man, all right?

863
00:34:42.741 --> 00:34:45.346
Fuckin' major news here.

864
00:34:45.381 --> 00:34:47.249
Three letters, the FBI.

865
00:34:49.682 --> 00:34:52.188
We're not just laying down

866
00:34:52.223 --> 00:34:54.289
and taking it up the ass.

867
00:34:58.823 --> 00:35:01.626
(crowd chanting)

868
00:35:05.533 --> 00:35:07.467
Check it out, we're
taking the name Juggalo

869
00:35:07.502 --> 00:35:09.205
the fuck back from
them motherfuckers,

870
00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:11.306
you know what I'm saying?

871
00:35:13.343 --> 00:35:16.410
We have the best
legal representation

872
00:35:17.644 --> 00:35:19.248
money can buy.

873
00:35:19.283 --> 00:35:20.678
There he is right here, Farris.

874
00:35:20.713 --> 00:35:23.549
Give it up for our
attorney, ya'll.

875
00:35:25.289 --> 00:35:29.291
- You all have a family
attorney now, all right?

876
00:35:29.326 --> 00:35:32.327
We're gonna lay the
law down on the FBI

877
00:35:32.362 --> 00:35:33.757
for the whole fam.

878
00:35:36.630 --> 00:35:39.400
(crowd chanting)

879
00:35:42.801 --> 00:35:44.702
- People always joke and ask
me if I'm going to show up

880
00:35:44.737 --> 00:35:47.309
to court in face pain
or something like that.

881
00:35:47.344 --> 00:35:51.313
If the opportunity presents
itself, maybe I will, but...

882
00:35:51.348 --> 00:35:53.282
I focus on a lot of DUIs,

883
00:35:53.317 --> 00:35:55.845
a lot of possession
of marijuana cases,

884
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.485
a lot of misdemeanor cases.

885
00:35:58.520 --> 00:36:00.520
I see this big guy at an
ATM with his wife and kids

886
00:36:00.555 --> 00:36:03.259
and figure out that
it's Violent J.

887
00:36:03.294 --> 00:36:04.821
So I said, "You probably
don't meet too many Juggalos

888
00:36:04.856 --> 00:36:06.493
that are lawyers."

889
00:36:06.528 --> 00:36:08.264
And I was like, "Let
me give you my card.

890
00:36:08.299 --> 00:36:09.859
If you ever need
anything, give me a call.

891
00:36:09.894 --> 00:36:11.729
I'll do it for free."

892
00:36:11.764 --> 00:36:15.403
And I figured I'd never
hear from them again, ever.

893
00:36:15.438 --> 00:36:17.735
Violent J announced
that Juggalos could come

894
00:36:17.770 --> 00:36:20.408
to this makeshift
office that I had made

895
00:36:20.443 --> 00:36:22.443
at The Gathering and
fill out a statement

896
00:36:22.478 --> 00:36:24.841
and I could interview
them and stuff like that.

897
00:36:24.876 --> 00:36:27.679
There was a line out the
door and around the corner

898
00:36:27.714 --> 00:36:30.319
at that trailer for
people making statements.

899
00:36:30.354 --> 00:36:33.817
Story after story of people
that were doing nothing wrong,

900
00:36:33.852 --> 00:36:35.918
but were being treated
like criminals.

901
00:36:35.953 --> 00:36:37.953
We filed a Freedom of
Information Act request

902
00:36:37.988 --> 00:36:41.660
to find out why the FBI
put them on the gang list.

903
00:36:41.695 --> 00:36:44.993
What we got was
shocking and surprising.

904
00:36:45.028 --> 00:36:50.207
Literally looked like Google
research of some news articles.

905
00:36:52.574 --> 00:36:55.938
The majority of it
was random alarmist

906
00:36:55.973 --> 00:36:58.974
local news articles off of
the internet saying that

907
00:36:59.009 --> 00:37:02.582
there was some crime, whether
it's vandalism, assault,

908
00:37:02.617 --> 00:37:06.850
stealing, larceny, and the
people happened to be Juggalos.

909
00:37:06.885 --> 00:37:10.458
And that was what they
sent us as support for them

910
00:37:10.493 --> 00:37:12.922
putting Juggalos
on the gang list.

911
00:37:12.957 --> 00:37:14.990
Basically what the FBI said
is we're just reporting what

912
00:37:15.025 --> 00:37:17.564
these local law enforcement
officers are telling us.

913
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.368
That was their other excuse.

914
00:37:19.403 --> 00:37:20.633
From the outside looking in,

915
00:37:20.668 --> 00:37:22.536
it might look like a gang.

916
00:37:22.571 --> 00:37:26.375
It also looks a heck of a
lot like any other fan base.

917
00:37:28.379 --> 00:37:30.643
It starts with Juggalos, but
it's a very slippery slope.

918
00:37:30.678 --> 00:37:32.315
People who listen
to gangster rap.

919
00:37:32.350 --> 00:37:35.483
Lil Wayne claims to be
related to the Bloods.

920
00:37:35.518 --> 00:37:36.715
Maybe people going
to his concerts,

921
00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:37.914
maybe some of them are Bloods.

922
00:37:37.949 --> 00:37:39.784
Maybe they're all Bloods.

923
00:37:39.819 --> 00:37:44.789
And then that's sort of where
this has snowballed into.

924
00:37:45.726 --> 00:37:47.363
That's what's at stake.

925
00:37:47.398 --> 00:37:49.024
Whether we live in a
free country or not.

926
00:37:49.059 --> 00:37:50.927
Whether we live in an
America where everything's

927
00:37:50.962 --> 00:37:51.928
gonna to be censored and
you're going to be afraid

928
00:37:51.963 --> 00:37:53.534
to express who you are.

929
00:37:53.569 --> 00:37:55.800
- [Juggalo In Group]
I swear to God.

930
00:37:55.835 --> 00:37:57.472
- [Juggalo Interviewee]
The FBI, they might as well

931
00:37:57.507 --> 00:38:00.409
be hating on fans of KISS.

932
00:38:00.444 --> 00:38:01.872
Are they gang members? No.

933
00:38:01.907 --> 00:38:03.511
Why the fuck does that
make us gang members?

934
00:38:03.546 --> 00:38:05.348
It's a bunch of
discrimination bullshit

935
00:38:05.383 --> 00:38:06.844
and there's no reason for it.

936
00:38:06.879 --> 00:38:08.582
- You just find a
small group of people

937
00:38:08.617 --> 00:38:10.485
that most people don't
give a crap about

938
00:38:10.520 --> 00:38:12.916
and you box them in and you
say those people are bad.

939
00:38:12.951 --> 00:38:14.588
Then you just make
everybody else say,

940
00:38:14.623 --> 00:38:16.458
oh, well screw those
people, they're bad.

941
00:38:16.493 --> 00:38:18.020
Well, if you box everybody
up enough and you make

942
00:38:18.055 --> 00:38:20.495
all these small
individual bad groups,

943
00:38:20.530 --> 00:38:23.498
then everybody's
bad and everybody's
fighting one another.

944
00:38:23.533 --> 00:38:26.061
- If having bad taste
in music was a crime,

945
00:38:26.096 --> 00:38:30.835
every Parrothead in the world
would be on the gang list.

946
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.679
(crowd whoop whooping)

947
00:38:41.947 --> 00:38:43.419
- [Thomas] Here in Los Angeles,

948
00:38:43.454 --> 00:38:46.015
MS-13 had a
notorious reputation,

949
00:38:46.050 --> 00:38:48.083
kind of like Insane Clown Posse,

950
00:38:48.118 --> 00:38:50.888
of being kind of
eerie and mysterious

951
00:38:50.923 --> 00:38:52.527
because some of its members,

952
00:38:52.562 --> 00:38:56.597
probably less than
1%, were Satanists.

953
00:38:56.632 --> 00:39:00.469
I spent over 16 years
researching the MS-13 gang

954
00:39:00.504 --> 00:39:02.064
on a daily basis.

955
00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:05.001
I was hanging out with
active members of MS

956
00:39:05.036 --> 00:39:07.608
from the wannabes to the OGs.

957
00:39:07.643 --> 00:39:09.841
I would bring pizza or soda pop.

958
00:39:09.876 --> 00:39:12.613
The problem was when I was
started getting paged at

959
00:39:12.648 --> 00:39:14.043
two o'clock in the
morning, right?

960
00:39:14.078 --> 00:39:16.485
I need a ride home, Thomas.

961
00:39:18.082 --> 00:39:22.425
The FBI assessment of the
Juggalos as a non-traditional,

962
00:39:24.022 --> 00:39:27.661
or hybrid gang, states
that many Juggalo subsets

963
00:39:27.696 --> 00:39:29.960
exhibit gang-like behavior

964
00:39:29.995 --> 00:39:32.732
and engage in criminal
activity and violence.

965
00:39:32.767 --> 00:39:34.800
So what is a street gang?

966
00:39:34.835 --> 00:39:37.132
The federal definition
is an association

967
00:39:37.167 --> 00:39:39.706
of three or more individuals.

968
00:39:41.479 --> 00:39:44.480
Who's members collectively
identify themselves

969
00:39:44.515 --> 00:39:47.516
by adopting a group identity.

970
00:39:47.551 --> 00:39:50.552
(crowds exclaiming)

971
00:39:53.051 --> 00:39:56.019
Who's purpose is
in part to engage

972
00:39:56.054 --> 00:40:01.057
in criminal activity and which
uses violence or intimidation

973
00:40:04.227 --> 00:40:06.667
to further criminal enterprise.

974
00:40:06.702 --> 00:40:08.196
- We're not a
criminal organization.

975
00:40:08.231 --> 00:40:09.604
We're not even an organization.

976
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:11.507
We're not organized.

977
00:40:11.542 --> 00:40:13.201
- [Gathering Attendee] Just
because I'm wearing this shirt

978
00:40:13.236 --> 00:40:14.840
that's got the Hatchetman
on the back and everything.

979
00:40:14.875 --> 00:40:16.743
It doesn't mean
I'm a gang banger.

980
00:40:16.778 --> 00:40:17.876
It doesn't mean I'm going
to hurt you or kill you.

981
00:40:17.911 --> 00:40:19.009
We're just one big family.

982
00:40:19.044 --> 00:40:20.450
We look out for each other.

983
00:40:20.485 --> 00:40:21.616
- We look out for each other.

984
00:40:21.651 --> 00:40:23.453
Half of us ain't got parents.

985
00:40:23.488 --> 00:40:26.214
Half of us ain't got
nobody to give us nothing.

986
00:40:26.249 --> 00:40:27.985
- [Juggalo] It's just the
loyalty they bring to you.

987
00:40:28.020 --> 00:40:30.559
That's what makes
a person family.

988
00:40:30.594 --> 00:40:32.495
I'm family, she's family.

989
00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:34.464
Hell, shit, all
of you are family.

990
00:40:34.499 --> 00:40:35.861
Wanna come by later
and get fucked up?

991
00:40:35.896 --> 00:40:36.994
We can get fucked up.

992
00:40:37.029 --> 00:40:39.161
Don't matter, we're family.

993
00:40:39.196 --> 00:40:40.536
- It means a lot,
we like family.

994
00:40:40.571 --> 00:40:41.834
This is like a family.

995
00:40:41.869 --> 00:40:43.099
It means a lot to me.

996
00:40:43.134 --> 00:40:45.574
I love them, they love me.

997
00:40:45.609 --> 00:40:47.609
- The Juggalo family
is the only people

998
00:40:47.644 --> 00:40:49.479
that I can trust.

999
00:40:49.514 --> 00:40:53.208
That I know if I need
something, they're there.

1000
00:40:53.243 --> 00:40:57.146
- There's no more gang
members in Juggalos

1001
00:40:57.181 --> 00:40:59.489
than there is anything else.

1002
00:40:59.524 --> 00:41:02.591
We sold 10 million
records, guaranteed.

1003
00:41:02.626 --> 00:41:05.726
10 million people, take
a comb through that?

1004
00:41:05.761 --> 00:41:08.795
Whatever you're looking
for is gonna be in there.

1005
00:41:08.830 --> 00:41:10.797
- [Shaggy] They say that
because some kid committed some,

1006
00:41:10.832 --> 00:41:14.031
even a horrific crime, that
happens to be a Juggalo,

1007
00:41:14.066 --> 00:41:17.133
that just means all Juggalos
are criminals and gang members?

1008
00:41:17.168 --> 00:41:18.772
It's crazy.

1009
00:41:18.807 --> 00:41:20.741
People that listen to
Mozart kill people.

1010
00:41:20.776 --> 00:41:24.239
I'm sure Jack the Ripper
loves some Mozart.

1011
00:41:26.210 --> 00:41:28.045
- [TV Reporter] Two
men calling themselves

1012
00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:30.916
Juggalos are arrested after
the body of 21 year old,

1013
00:41:30.951 --> 00:41:33.721
Michael Goucher is
found in the woods

1014
00:41:33.756 --> 00:41:36.020
stabbed more than 20 times.

1015
00:41:36.055 --> 00:41:39.023
- We've got multiple individuals

1016
00:41:39.058 --> 00:41:41.630
committing gang related crimes,

1017
00:41:41.665 --> 00:41:43.093
gang motivated crimes.

1018
00:41:43.128 --> 00:41:45.964
And they're using
the name Juggalo.

1019
00:41:45.999 --> 00:41:48.032
- The media spotlight
is on this thing.

1020
00:41:48.067 --> 00:41:49.869
The media blew it up.

1021
00:41:49.904 --> 00:41:52.641
It got everybody in an uproar.

1022
00:41:52.676 --> 00:41:54.236
- [Male TV Reporter] A Juggalo
is responsible for attacking

1023
00:41:54.271 --> 00:41:56.744
a man on a bike
with a meat cleaver.

1024
00:41:56.779 --> 00:41:58.108
- [Male TV Anchor] The
FBI cited a robbery and

1025
00:41:58.143 --> 00:41:59.945
a beating of a homeless man.

1026
00:41:59.980 --> 00:42:01.782
They also cited a Juggalo
who shot and wounded

1027
00:42:01.817 --> 00:42:03.652
a couple in Washington state.

1028
00:42:03.687 --> 00:42:05.115
- [Male News Reporter] The
two suspects involved actually

1029
00:42:05.150 --> 00:42:08.019
had their faces painted
like clowns at the time.

1030
00:42:08.054 --> 00:42:09.988
- [Female News Anchor]
Shops, restaurants and bars

1031
00:42:10.023 --> 00:42:13.222
under attack in one of
Portland's trendiest
neighborhoods.

1032
00:42:13.257 --> 00:42:14.289
- [Male TV Reporter]
A threatening message

1033
00:42:14.324 --> 00:42:16.159
laced with profanity.

1034
00:42:16.194 --> 00:42:19.063
A group called the Juggalo
family, taking responsibility.

1035
00:42:19.098 --> 00:42:20.933
- We're just doing
what we do, man.

1036
00:42:20.968 --> 00:42:22.902
We're doing it for the
Juggalos, you know?

1037
00:42:22.937 --> 00:42:25.036
Every business sells
to their clientele.

1038
00:42:25.071 --> 00:42:26.873
Well that's all we're doing.

1039
00:42:26.908 --> 00:42:28.710
- We're not going to
water down what we do.

1040
00:42:28.745 --> 00:42:30.206
If people like it, they like it.

1041
00:42:30.241 --> 00:42:32.175
If not, fuck 'em
anyhow, you know?

1042
00:42:32.210 --> 00:42:34.881
- [Bashir] A number of people
who have been associated with

1043
00:42:34.916 --> 00:42:36.652
acts of violence and murder

1044
00:42:36.687 --> 00:42:40.018
have had some kind of
connection to ICP and Juggalos.

1045
00:42:40.053 --> 00:42:42.790
They're no longer regarded as
innocent lovers of your music.

1046
00:42:42.825 --> 00:42:44.693
- I say bull(beep).

1047
00:42:44.728 --> 00:42:45.826
I say it's not true.

1048
00:42:45.861 --> 00:42:47.597
- Let me give you an example.

1049
00:42:47.632 --> 00:42:49.291
In February, 2006.

1050
00:42:49.326 --> 00:42:52.228
Individual attacks people
with a machete in a gay bar,

1051
00:42:52.263 --> 00:42:54.769
he kills a police
officer in traffic stop,

1052
00:42:54.804 --> 00:42:56.133
he call himself a Juggalo.

1053
00:42:56.168 --> 00:42:57.706
- [911 Caller]
Someone's been shot.

1054
00:42:57.741 --> 00:42:59.070
- [911 Operator]
Somebody's been shot?

1055
00:42:59.105 --> 00:43:00.203
- [911 Caller]
Someone's been shot,

1056
00:43:00.238 --> 00:43:01.336
you have to get here now.

1057
00:43:01.371 --> 00:43:03.943
(swell of orchestra music)

1058
00:43:07.014 --> 00:43:10.884
♪ Were so gallantly streaming ♪

1059
00:43:10.919 --> 00:43:15.251
♪ And the rocket's red glare ♪

1060
00:43:15.286 --> 00:43:20.289
♪ The bombs bursting in air ♪

1061
00:43:21.391 --> 00:43:26.163
♪ Gave proof through the night ♪

1062
00:43:27.738 --> 00:43:31.773
♪ That our flag
was still there ♪

1063
00:43:33.205 --> 00:43:37.174
♪ O say does that
star-spangled banner yet wave ♪

1064
00:43:44.084 --> 00:43:45.820
- [Lt. Schoenfeld] We are
here at the 29th annual

1065
00:43:45.855 --> 00:43:47.723
Utah Gang Conference.

1066
00:43:47.758 --> 00:43:49.890
This is our opportunity to
teach our community partners

1067
00:43:49.925 --> 00:43:52.860
about current gang trends
and give them the information

1068
00:43:52.895 --> 00:43:55.258
to use in their daily functions.

1069
00:43:55.293 --> 00:43:57.359
♪ Gang signs, up in the sky ♪

1070
00:43:57.394 --> 00:43:59.933
♪ Gang signs, up in the sky ♪

1071
00:43:59.968 --> 00:44:02.837
- What I do is I teach
basically hip hop music

1072
00:44:02.872 --> 00:44:04.839
and how it's gang involved.

1073
00:44:04.874 --> 00:44:06.676
If you have questions about
what some of this means,

1074
00:44:06.711 --> 00:44:08.436
there's a definition book.

1075
00:44:08.471 --> 00:44:11.274
And for the safety
of the presenter,

1076
00:44:11.309 --> 00:44:14.079
do not share any information
about the presenters.

1077
00:44:14.114 --> 00:44:15.080
- [Man Behind Camera]
Oh shit, turn it off.

1078
00:44:15.115 --> 00:44:16.950
- Take pictures, videos.

1079
00:44:16.985 --> 00:44:18.347
- [Lt. Schoenfeld] I think
that the focus of that

1080
00:44:18.382 --> 00:44:19.986
threat assessment
was on Salt Lake City

1081
00:44:20.021 --> 00:44:21.889
because we were seeing
heavy activity from our

1082
00:44:21.924 --> 00:44:25.992
Juggalo groups that made us
identify them as gang members.

1083
00:44:26.027 --> 00:44:29.358
From about 1996 until
kind of the mid 2000s,

1084
00:44:29.393 --> 00:44:32.999
we dealt with Juggalos out
on our west side a lot.

1085
00:44:33.034 --> 00:44:35.771
- [Nelson] There were some
problems between Juggalos

1086
00:44:35.806 --> 00:44:37.465
and members of other
gangs that became

1087
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:40.941
relatively common for a
couple years in Salt Lake

1088
00:44:40.976 --> 00:44:44.043
to have people who affiliated
themselves with Juggalos

1089
00:44:44.078 --> 00:44:45.847
to be fighting with somebody

1090
00:44:45.882 --> 00:44:48.685
who was a member
of another gang.

1091
00:44:50.953 --> 00:44:54.317
In the summer of 2008,
there was a serious assault

1092
00:44:54.352 --> 00:44:56.385
involving two Juggalos
that I charged

1093
00:44:56.420 --> 00:44:58.827
as an attempted murder.

1094
00:44:58.862 --> 00:45:03.491
Two Juggalos attacked a young
man with a large hunting knife

1095
00:45:03.526 --> 00:45:07.231
and a battle axe that was
mounted onto a golf club.

1096
00:45:07.266 --> 00:45:09.101
Stabbed him multiple times,

1097
00:45:09.136 --> 00:45:13.171
took multiple swings at
his shoulder and neck area.

1098
00:45:14.878 --> 00:45:17.208
- We get a call of aggravated
assault in progress.

1099
00:45:17.243 --> 00:45:19.980
Initial information
given by our dispatch was

1100
00:45:20.015 --> 00:45:22.411
two male suspects, tan Nissan.

1101
00:45:23.986 --> 00:45:26.118
My partner finds
a Juggalo pendant.

1102
00:45:26.153 --> 00:45:30.419
It's a Hatchetman hanging
on the fence of the house.

1103
00:45:32.225 --> 00:45:33.994
I see this tan Nissan
approach me and I'm like,

1104
00:45:34.029 --> 00:45:35.897
no, this can't be true.

1105
00:45:35.932 --> 00:45:38.768
And I see the Hatchetman
on the back of the window.

1106
00:45:38.803 --> 00:45:41.903
And so I was like, you know
I got to pull this car over.

1107
00:45:41.938 --> 00:45:43.300
We're like face to face.

1108
00:45:43.335 --> 00:45:45.335
And I noticed as
I'm talking to him,

1109
00:45:45.370 --> 00:45:48.371
I could still see some dry
blood splatter on his face.

1110
00:45:48.406 --> 00:45:50.780
I end up doing a
search of the vehicle.

1111
00:45:50.815 --> 00:45:52.210
I pull out all these weapons,

1112
00:45:52.245 --> 00:45:53.816
lay them out on the
trunk of the car.

1113
00:45:53.851 --> 00:45:55.345
Daggers, hatchets.

1114
00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:58.986
There was just a whole
arsenal of weapons.

1115
00:46:02.992 --> 00:46:04.860
- [Nelson] The victim's
neck was just filleted open

1116
00:46:04.895 --> 00:46:06.290
from the axe.

1117
00:46:06.325 --> 00:46:08.831
It was one of the
more bloody and

1118
00:46:08.866 --> 00:46:12.329
disturbing crime
scenes I've ever seen.

1119
00:46:12.364 --> 00:46:15.497
I mean, it looks
like a slasher movie.

1120
00:46:17.303 --> 00:46:18.434
- [Det. Afatasi] We follow
a national definition.

1121
00:46:18.469 --> 00:46:19.875
Group of three or more people,

1122
00:46:19.910 --> 00:46:21.338
common name symbol identifier,

1123
00:46:21.373 --> 00:46:23.274
that engage in
criminal activity.

1124
00:46:23.309 --> 00:46:26.310
You know, Juggalos, they fit
under those three criterias.

1125
00:46:26.345 --> 00:46:29.885
It's fair to say that
some were gang members.

1126
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:31.051
They're violent.

1127
00:46:31.086 --> 00:46:33.152
You know, the music is violent.

1128
00:46:33.187 --> 00:46:36.826
♪ I stab people, 4,
5 people everyday ♪

1129
00:46:36.861 --> 00:46:38.927
♪ I tried to see a shrink
to stop that shit ♪

1130
00:46:38.962 --> 00:46:40.830
♪ But it ain't no fucking way ♪

1131
00:46:40.865 --> 00:46:42.832
- [Interviewer] Did you
want to stab people?

1132
00:46:42.867 --> 00:46:44.493
- [Violent J] Sometimes.

1133
00:46:44.528 --> 00:46:47.430
Maybe in my subconscious
anger, but not in real life.

1134
00:46:47.465 --> 00:46:49.300
We're sitting here
in clown paint.

1135
00:46:49.335 --> 00:46:52.600
- How do you write a line
like, from Pluto to your anus,

1136
00:46:52.635 --> 00:46:54.844
we are underground famous?

1137
00:46:54.879 --> 00:46:57.044
- That's dope, man. Welcome
to the world of rap.

1138
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.476
- What does it mean if you
call a song Imma Kill U?

1139
00:47:00.511 --> 00:47:02.918
- [Shaggy] It means
I'ma kill you.

1140
00:47:02.953 --> 00:47:05.448
But I mean how you take
that, I mean are you

1141
00:47:05.483 --> 00:47:07.351
like a grown retard
or something?

1142
00:47:07.386 --> 00:47:09.221
You're gonna go out and do it?

1143
00:47:09.256 --> 00:47:10.860
- [Violent J] Are you some
kinda murderer to begin with?

1144
00:47:10.895 --> 00:47:12.389
- This is what you say
in To Catch a Predator.

1145
00:47:12.424 --> 00:47:14.589
♪ I stab 'em in the neck
first, 'cause it hurts ♪

1146
00:47:14.624 --> 00:47:16.492
♪ Hit 'em where
the blood squirts ♪

1147
00:47:16.527 --> 00:47:18.934
♪ Carve his whole face
off and make him eat it ♪

1148
00:47:18.969 --> 00:47:21.904
♪ Chain him up by the foot
in my basement bleeding ♪

1149
00:47:21.939 --> 00:47:23.939
- We're entertainers
you know what I mean?

1150
00:47:23.974 --> 00:47:25.369
- So you don't really mean-

1151
00:47:25.404 --> 00:47:26.634
- No we'd be in
prison right now.

1152
00:47:26.669 --> 00:47:28.570
- We'd be in prison for life.

1153
00:47:28.605 --> 00:47:31.474
- I myself was molested as a
child, you know what I mean?

1154
00:47:31.509 --> 00:47:32.475
- Really?

1155
00:47:32.510 --> 00:47:34.048
- Yeah, absolutely.

1156
00:47:35.678 --> 00:47:38.019
- [Linda] I always wonder if
it would have been different.

1157
00:47:38.054 --> 00:47:41.220
You know you always think,
I wonder if I hadn't married

1158
00:47:41.255 --> 00:47:45.587
an asshole, if their lives
would have been different.

1159
00:47:47.393 --> 00:47:49.998
- This guy was like the worst
kind of human being ever.

1160
00:47:50.033 --> 00:47:51.428
You know what I mean?

1161
00:47:51.463 --> 00:47:54.497
He'd get super angry
at Duke, our dog

1162
00:47:54.532 --> 00:47:58.039
and he used to chase him around
the yard and like kick him.

1163
00:47:58.074 --> 00:48:01.570
For us, We just stayed out
of the house all the time.

1164
00:48:01.605 --> 00:48:03.913
One of the kind of
lingering damages

1165
00:48:03.948 --> 00:48:07.950
is I don't like to be
touched by guys at all.

1166
00:48:07.985 --> 00:48:09.149
I just snap.

1167
00:48:09.184 --> 00:48:10.051
You know.

1168
00:48:18.259 --> 00:48:21.161
- [Margee] My name is Margee
Kerr and I'm a sociologist

1169
00:48:21.196 --> 00:48:24.967
and I'm working on a book
about how and why we engage

1170
00:48:25.002 --> 00:48:27.497
with thrilling and
scary material.

1171
00:48:27.532 --> 00:48:29.103
And coming to The Gathering...

1172
00:48:29.138 --> 00:48:31.468
(passing motorist hollers)

1173
00:48:31.503 --> 00:48:34.174
I was reading about
how negative things

1174
00:48:34.209 --> 00:48:35.505
happen at The Gathering.

1175
00:48:35.540 --> 00:48:37.045
But Juggalos themselves
would state that

1176
00:48:37.080 --> 00:48:38.409
they loved each other.

1177
00:48:38.444 --> 00:48:40.246
It was all about family,
all about respect.

1178
00:48:40.281 --> 00:48:43.150
So I saw this huge discrepancy
between what the people

1179
00:48:43.185 --> 00:48:45.251
themselves were saying and
what outsiders were saying.

1180
00:48:45.286 --> 00:48:47.154
And for a sociologist,
that's like a huge red flag.

1181
00:48:47.189 --> 00:48:50.388
So I wanted to come
and see for myself.

1182
00:48:51.996 --> 00:48:54.491
I see a lot of parallels
between the motivations

1183
00:48:54.526 --> 00:48:57.626
behind hardcore kind of
gangster rap and ICP.

1184
00:48:57.661 --> 00:48:59.727
Both are speaking about
their experiences,

1185
00:48:59.762 --> 00:49:02.301
living in a lower
socioeconomic status,

1186
00:49:02.336 --> 00:49:06.404
being discriminated against,
having people judge them.

1187
00:49:06.439 --> 00:49:08.175
- You ever been broke?

1188
00:49:08.210 --> 00:49:10.177
You ever had a family member,

1189
00:49:10.212 --> 00:49:12.674
maybe alcoholic
or drug addicted,

1190
00:49:12.709 --> 00:49:14.346
that's impacting your life?

1191
00:49:14.381 --> 00:49:16.381
Somebody who's just struggling,

1192
00:49:16.416 --> 00:49:19.186
just trying to make it till the
next week or the next month.

1193
00:49:19.221 --> 00:49:20.319
- You're not one of
the popular kids.

1194
00:49:20.354 --> 00:49:21.452
You're not playing sports.

1195
00:49:21.487 --> 00:49:23.388
You're not in any of the clubs.

1196
00:49:23.423 --> 00:49:25.720
- Growing up, I was kind of
tortured, made fun of a lot.

1197
00:49:25.755 --> 00:49:28.492
My mom moved me from
school to school.

1198
00:49:28.527 --> 00:49:31.660
- I was raised in Philadelphia,
in the Catholic Church,

1199
00:49:31.695 --> 00:49:33.332
in the 80s and the 90s.

1200
00:49:33.367 --> 00:49:36.137
And what went down
there was fucked.

1201
00:49:36.172 --> 00:49:38.271
We're so angry and we're so
hurt because as children,

1202
00:49:38.306 --> 00:49:40.174
we were abused.

1203
00:49:40.209 --> 00:49:42.506
♪ Ticket, please, thanks,
walk trough the doors ♪

1204
00:49:42.541 --> 00:49:45.179
♪ Into the halls of
illusions, visit yours ♪

1205
00:49:45.214 --> 00:49:47.115
♪ And see what could
have and should have ♪

1206
00:49:47.150 --> 00:49:48.545
♪ And would have been real ♪

1207
00:49:48.580 --> 00:49:51.251
♪ But you had to fuck
up the whole deal ♪

1208
00:49:51.286 --> 00:49:53.088
- [Margee] I think
that for a lot of fans,

1209
00:49:53.123 --> 00:49:54.749
they probably are connecting
to the violent lyrics

1210
00:49:54.784 --> 00:49:57.026
because it may be
similar to the things

1211
00:49:57.061 --> 00:49:58.720
that they've
experienced themselves.

1212
00:49:58.755 --> 00:50:00.326
You know, it seems like
there are some people here

1213
00:50:00.361 --> 00:50:02.229
who've had some
pretty tough times,

1214
00:50:02.264 --> 00:50:04.033
and I think that they are
connecting to the music

1215
00:50:04.068 --> 00:50:06.299
just as any fan base
would connect to lyrics

1216
00:50:06.334 --> 00:50:08.169
that are going to speak to them.

1217
00:50:08.204 --> 00:50:09.731
- [Violent J] We make
music for people like us.

1218
00:50:09.766 --> 00:50:11.766
Broken homes, hard times,

1219
00:50:11.801 --> 00:50:14.373
dealing with painful
shit in their life.

1220
00:50:14.408 --> 00:50:16.342
It's real anger.

1221
00:50:16.377 --> 00:50:18.773
It's your opinion amplified.

1222
00:50:18.808 --> 00:50:21.413
♪ When they were kids, you'd
beat 'em and leave 'em home ♪

1223
00:50:21.448 --> 00:50:24.284
♪ And even whip 'em with
the cord on the telephone ♪

1224
00:50:24.319 --> 00:50:26.781
♪ And that reminds me, man,
hey, you've got a call ♪

1225
00:50:26.816 --> 00:50:30.785
♪ Watch your step to
hell, it's a long fall ♪

1226
00:50:30.820 --> 00:50:33.161
- [Linda] An ICP song
is like a three minute

1227
00:50:33.196 --> 00:50:35.163
Stephen King novel.

1228
00:50:35.198 --> 00:50:37.627
If you want to know what's in
the mind of a serial killer,

1229
00:50:37.662 --> 00:50:39.530
you're curious and
you want to go there,

1230
00:50:39.565 --> 00:50:41.301
but don't live there.

1231
00:50:41.336 --> 00:50:43.171
It's a different place to go.

1232
00:50:43.206 --> 00:50:44.601
It's make-believe

1233
00:50:46.143 --> 00:50:48.440
and it's very graphic.

1234
00:50:48.475 --> 00:50:51.179
♪ In the back of my truck,
Chuck the chainsaw ♪

1235
00:50:51.214 --> 00:50:53.676
♪ Usually chop wood,
but that ain't all ♪

1236
00:50:53.711 --> 00:50:56.316
♪ It's a bit strange all
up in your mid-range ♪

1237
00:50:56.351 --> 00:50:59.253
♪ Cut a hole in your
head 'til I hit brain ♪

1238
00:50:59.288 --> 00:51:01.486
- [Juggalette] It just
blows all of our minds

1239
00:51:01.521 --> 00:51:03.290
how somebody can
make a horror movie

1240
00:51:03.325 --> 00:51:06.194
and it's all graphic and gory

1241
00:51:06.229 --> 00:51:08.097
and that's okay and acceptable.

1242
00:51:08.132 --> 00:51:11.793
But we can't sing a song about
mass murder makes me happy.

1243
00:51:11.828 --> 00:51:12.662
That's catchy.

1244
00:51:12.697 --> 00:51:14.334
It's funny.

1245
00:51:14.369 --> 00:51:16.534
- In a way ICP's
music was so healing.

1246
00:51:16.569 --> 00:51:18.470
I didn't need to
stand up and rage out

1247
00:51:18.505 --> 00:51:20.637
because it's kind of like
the clowns did it for me.

1248
00:51:20.672 --> 00:51:22.870
They allowed me to
laugh at all that pain

1249
00:51:22.905 --> 00:51:24.674
and laugh through that pain.

1250
00:51:24.709 --> 00:51:27.611
- It allowed me to vent things,
get things off my chest.

1251
00:51:27.646 --> 00:51:29.316
- [Male ICP Fan]
All the other music,

1252
00:51:29.351 --> 00:51:30.746
no matter how cool the beat is,

1253
00:51:30.781 --> 00:51:32.385
when you listen to
what they're saying,

1254
00:51:32.420 --> 00:51:33.749
you're not really
relating to it.

1255
00:51:33.784 --> 00:51:35.355
These guys are
talking about, hey,

1256
00:51:35.390 --> 00:51:37.753
we're outcasts and
we don't give a shit.

1257
00:51:41.561 --> 00:51:44.562
(videogame gunfire)

1258
00:51:57.412 --> 00:51:58.906
- [Violent J] Come here, Rust.

1259
00:51:58.941 --> 00:52:00.611
Big 'ole Rusty dog.

1260
00:52:01.944 --> 00:52:04.219
- [Ruby] Did you
sing the Rusty song?

1261
00:52:04.254 --> 00:52:05.517
- Rusty dog.

1262
00:52:05.552 --> 00:52:08.157
What are you doing, Rusty dog?

1263
00:52:09.655 --> 00:52:11.688
I'll tell you how we met.

1264
00:52:11.723 --> 00:52:14.328
She was working at a Friday's.

1265
00:52:14.363 --> 00:52:16.528
- TGIFriday's in Minneapolis.

1266
00:52:16.563 --> 00:52:18.167
- And she was the girl
at the front that's like,

1267
00:52:18.202 --> 00:52:20.367
"Hi, can I seat you?"

1268
00:52:20.402 --> 00:52:22.237
And she sat us down, all set.

1269
00:52:22.272 --> 00:52:25.240
Put the tables together
and I was like, man,

1270
00:52:25.275 --> 00:52:26.769
I gotta step today.

1271
00:52:26.804 --> 00:52:29.574
- No, I didn't sit you down.

1272
00:52:29.609 --> 00:52:31.708
- Obsolete information.

1273
00:52:31.743 --> 00:52:33.710
- [Michelle] I have a
better memory than you.

1274
00:52:33.745 --> 00:52:35.811
- [Violent J] And
then I was like,

1275
00:52:35.846 --> 00:52:37.714
"What're you doing tonight?"

1276
00:52:37.749 --> 00:52:39.353
What made me super fresh was

1277
00:52:39.388 --> 00:52:41.388
I was leaning like this,

1278
00:52:42.721 --> 00:52:44.424
but I wasn't leaning
against nothing.

1279
00:52:44.459 --> 00:52:47.790
I was just leaning
against air like that.

1280
00:52:49.794 --> 00:52:51.365
And I was like,

1281
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:52.861
"Why don't you come with
me to this concert?"

1282
00:52:52.896 --> 00:52:54.500
- I said, who, what concert?

1283
00:52:54.535 --> 00:52:55.732
- "What concert
are we going to?"

1284
00:52:55.767 --> 00:52:57.701
And I was like, "mine".

1285
00:53:00.805 --> 00:53:02.508
She came to the show,

1286
00:53:02.543 --> 00:53:05.313
jumped on the bus with me.

1287
00:53:05.348 --> 00:53:07.909
And then all you saw
was lights and exhaust

1288
00:53:07.944 --> 00:53:11.781
as we pulled out of town
together, never to come back.

1289
00:53:11.816 --> 00:53:14.388
- [Michelle] It's true, the
next day I went to Denver.

1290
00:53:14.423 --> 00:53:15.884
With him, it's true.

1291
00:53:15.919 --> 00:53:17.556
♪ In yo face! ♪

1292
00:53:17.591 --> 00:53:19.987
- We're not young
and wild no more.

1293
00:53:20.022 --> 00:53:23.331
It's not wilding
out, getting crazy.

1294
00:53:23.366 --> 00:53:26.301
♪ I pop out the box,
swing on a spring ♪

1295
00:53:26.336 --> 00:53:28.633
♪ Big Violent J with
the axe out, shing ♪

1296
00:53:28.668 --> 00:53:31.867
- [Shaggy] Violent J and Shaggy
2 Dope are derived from us.

1297
00:53:31.902 --> 00:53:34.441
Of course Joe and Joey
don't go out cutting necks

1298
00:53:34.476 --> 00:53:36.311
and chopping heads off

1299
00:53:36.346 --> 00:53:38.379
and dragging bodies around
from our car and shit.

1300
00:53:38.414 --> 00:53:40.909
♪ Smash thru the glass
as the fireworks blast ♪

1301
00:53:40.944 --> 00:53:43.483
♪ Shaggy the clown here
to murda some ass ♪

1302
00:53:43.518 --> 00:53:45.353
We're family men.

1303
00:53:45.388 --> 00:53:46.882
We both have a wife and
kids and families and shit.

1304
00:53:46.917 --> 00:53:49.291
I don't believe Shaggy
2 Dope or Violent J

1305
00:53:49.326 --> 00:53:50.490
really have families
cause they're

1306
00:53:50.525 --> 00:53:52.393
too busy murdering people.

1307
00:53:52.428 --> 00:53:54.692
♪ Step yo ass back before
the hatchet attacks ♪

1308
00:53:54.727 --> 00:53:57.629
♪ And ya catch a few
hacks from the axe ♪

1309
00:53:57.664 --> 00:54:00.665
- His music isn't for moms.

1310
00:54:00.700 --> 00:54:02.337
The only thing I'm
really familiar with

1311
00:54:02.372 --> 00:54:04.273
is in the beginning.

1312
00:54:04.308 --> 00:54:07.408
Because I've stopped
listening now to his music.

1313
00:54:07.443 --> 00:54:10.279
I used to listen
to it all the time.

1314
00:54:10.314 --> 00:54:12.743
It scared me because
I would wake up

1315
00:54:12.778 --> 00:54:15.548
with that tune in my mind.

1316
00:54:15.583 --> 00:54:17.814
♪ I be the strangler,
known coast to coast ♪

1317
00:54:17.849 --> 00:54:20.388
♪ And I turn any
thug into a ghost ♪

1318
00:54:20.423 --> 00:54:21.818
♪ In yo face ♪

1319
00:54:21.853 --> 00:54:23.523
Plus, I know Joe Bruce.

1320
00:54:23.558 --> 00:54:26.658
Violent J is a made up person.

1321
00:54:26.693 --> 00:54:29.793
You know, he's
different than my son.

1322
00:54:29.828 --> 00:54:33.027
Joe Bruce is very
emotional and loving.

1323
00:54:34.371 --> 00:54:35.997
Violent J is streetwise

1324
00:54:36.032 --> 00:54:37.405
and he's crude.

1325
00:54:39.035 --> 00:54:41.068
♪ I shook the hand of Satan
with a cross in my palm ♪

1326
00:54:41.103 --> 00:54:43.873
♪ Burnt all the flesh
all the way up his arm ♪

1327
00:54:43.908 --> 00:54:46.546
♪ I wasn't scared, I
was giddy to do it ♪

1328
00:54:46.581 --> 00:54:48.845
♪ Then I lopped his
head off and threw it ♪

1329
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.980
♪ In yo face ♪

1330
00:54:52.015 --> 00:54:54.389
- The masses just
hear fuck, bitch,

1331
00:54:54.424 --> 00:54:56.083
I'll stab you,
dobeedo, you know?

1332
00:54:56.118 --> 00:54:59.328
But there's so much
more underlying.

1333
00:55:00.958 --> 00:55:02.793
- [Linda] One of the things
that I always thought was true

1334
00:55:02.828 --> 00:55:05.433
was when you have to
make a major decision,

1335
00:55:05.468 --> 00:55:08.865
your first instinct
on it is from God.

1336
00:55:08.900 --> 00:55:10.900
And then the rest of
your doubt is the devil

1337
00:55:10.935 --> 00:55:12.803
trying to talk you out of it.

1338
00:55:12.838 --> 00:55:14.475
And I was brought up knowing

1339
00:55:14.510 --> 00:55:16.873
that there's something
bigger than us.

1340
00:55:16.908 --> 00:55:19.513
You know, it's something more.

1341
00:55:20.747 --> 00:55:22.978
- [Violent J]
Juggalos, they hear it.

1342
00:55:23.013 --> 00:55:25.387
The messages in the lyrics.

1343
00:55:27.017 --> 00:55:29.490
Each album gives people a
chance to look at themselves

1344
00:55:29.525 --> 00:55:31.624
in different ways.

1345
00:55:31.659 --> 00:55:34.726
If our music sounds like
endless garbage to you,

1346
00:55:34.761 --> 00:55:36.893
you're not a Juggalo.

1347
00:55:36.928 --> 00:55:38.532
You're not meant to hear it.

1348
00:55:38.567 --> 00:55:40.765
- When somebody first
handed me an ICP CD,

1349
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:42.602
I realized it was starting
to answer questions

1350
00:55:42.637 --> 00:55:44.131
I didn't know I had.

1351
00:55:44.166 --> 00:55:45.473
What is death?

1352
00:55:45.508 --> 00:55:47.101
What forever really means.

1353
00:55:47.136 --> 00:55:49.004
What's going on
in the afterlife?

1354
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:50.775
- It tells you a way
to live your life.

1355
00:55:50.810 --> 00:55:52.645
You know, treat
people with respect.

1356
00:55:52.680 --> 00:55:55.043
Make sure that you live
your life right from wrong.

1357
00:55:55.078 --> 00:55:56.682
Don't judge people.

1358
00:55:56.717 --> 00:55:58.948
- [Violent J] I believe
it's the one and only

1359
00:55:58.983 --> 00:56:00.554
holy man, you know.

1360
00:56:00.589 --> 00:56:02.622
I believe it's
God talking to us.

1361
00:56:02.657 --> 00:56:04.558
- Señor Jesus.

1362
00:56:04.593 --> 00:56:08.364
- And we are meant to talk
to the Juggalos, you know?

1363
00:56:09.598 --> 00:56:10.762
♪ Where's God ♪

1364
00:56:10.797 --> 00:56:13.435
♪ Where's God ♪

1365
00:56:13.470 --> 00:56:17.835
♪ Where's God when
shit goes down ♪

1366
00:56:17.870 --> 00:56:20.134
- [Linda] Joe told me we
are the transportation

1367
00:56:20.169 --> 00:56:21.773
to heaven or hell.

1368
00:56:21.808 --> 00:56:24.545
What you do with
it is up to you.

1369
00:56:24.580 --> 00:56:27.482
If you listen to the
message, it's there.

1370
00:56:27.517 --> 00:56:29.979
But if you just listen
to the gruesome, well,

1371
00:56:30.014 --> 00:56:31.981
that's up to you.

1372
00:56:32.016 --> 00:56:34.016
♪ This life is tricky,
mean and strange ♪

1373
00:56:34.051 --> 00:56:36.821
♪ You can only be sure
about one thing, change ♪

1374
00:56:36.856 --> 00:56:39.120
♪ For worse or for
better, maintain ♪

1375
00:56:39.155 --> 00:56:41.496
- [Rob] They're showing
you the horror of life.

1376
00:56:41.531 --> 00:56:43.124
They're showing you the comedy.

1377
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.962
There's like all his
comedy in all their music.

1378
00:56:45.997 --> 00:56:48.129
And then there's
all this violence.

1379
00:56:48.164 --> 00:56:51.066
But then there's also
these touching songs

1380
00:56:51.101 --> 00:56:53.772
that are uplifting and
trying to guide you toward

1381
00:56:53.807 --> 00:56:55.543
living a righteous life.

1382
00:56:55.578 --> 00:56:57.512
♪ Truth is happiness
is in your own head ♪

1383
00:56:57.547 --> 00:57:00.075
♪ How you perceive shit
and believe it is ♪

1384
00:57:00.110 --> 00:57:02.748
It's like what a carnival
really aspires to be.

1385
00:57:02.783 --> 00:57:04.948
All these wonders,
all these horrors

1386
00:57:04.983 --> 00:57:06.818
and also an enlightenment.

1387
00:57:06.853 --> 00:57:09.051
And it's why they've
endured for so long.

1388
00:57:09.086 --> 00:57:13.627
People are still captivated
by what their message is.

1389
00:57:19.998 --> 00:57:21.569
- [Juggalo Fan] The
government can probably find

1390
00:57:21.604 --> 00:57:22.999
200 Juggalos, say these
are all gang members

1391
00:57:23.034 --> 00:57:25.100
and I can show you
20,000 than aren't.

1392
00:57:25.135 --> 00:57:26.772
- [Announcer] Let's give a fuck.

1393
00:57:26.807 --> 00:57:30.611
- These holidays, every
kid deserves some toys.

1394
00:57:30.646 --> 00:57:31.975
Let's get a fuck!

1395
00:57:32.010 --> 00:57:33.845
The kids deserve it, man!

1396
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.012
The fucking kids!

1397
00:57:36.047 --> 00:57:37.717
- [Natalie] Juggalos
have coat drives

1398
00:57:37.752 --> 00:57:40.885
and they donate turkeys
during Thanksgiving.

1399
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.184
♪ Do you notice and
recognize miracles ♪

1400
00:57:43.219 --> 00:57:45.791
- At home we do
canned food drives.

1401
00:57:45.826 --> 00:57:47.793
- [Male News Reporter] A group
of Insane Clown Posse fans

1402
00:57:47.828 --> 00:57:50.631
grab some brooms, shovels
and some trash bags

1403
00:57:50.666 --> 00:57:53.898
and hit the streets of
Buffalo to help clean up.

1404
00:57:53.933 --> 00:57:56.604
♪ Are you a believer
in miracles ♪

1405
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.805
♪ Pure motherfucking
magic, right? ♪

1406
00:58:01.237 --> 00:58:03.908
- Custom made jerseys,
worn only once by

1407
00:58:03.943 --> 00:58:05.778
Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope.

1408
00:58:05.813 --> 00:58:07.274
- $3,500!

1409
00:58:07.309 --> 00:58:08.176
- $3,500!

1410
00:58:10.983 --> 00:58:13.621
- Remember this helps
out a fellow Juggalo

1411
00:58:13.656 --> 00:58:16.283
and he's gonna be getting
a lung transplant.

1412
00:58:16.318 --> 00:58:18.153
- At Hallowicked, which is
their Halloween concert,

1413
00:58:18.188 --> 00:58:20.089
If you bring in canned
food, they donate it

1414
00:58:20.124 --> 00:58:21.992
to the charities and
they'll give you a free CD.

1415
00:58:22.027 --> 00:58:23.730
They make sure you can only
bring in good canned food,

1416
00:58:23.765 --> 00:58:25.160
can't bring in like corn.

1417
00:58:25.195 --> 00:58:26.997
You gotta bring in like
SpaghettiOs and stuff.

1418
00:58:27.032 --> 00:58:28.702
- It's not a publicity
stunt, you know?

1419
00:58:28.737 --> 00:58:32.640
It's just something
that's right to do.

1420
00:58:32.675 --> 00:58:36.578
- Nobody ever wants to
talk about the good stuff.

1421
00:58:36.613 --> 00:58:39.141
The bad stuff is what sells, so.

1422
00:58:41.816 --> 00:58:43.585
- [Shawn] Have your chest out

1423
00:58:43.620 --> 00:58:44.817
like you're fuckin'
bad-ass, you ready to fight.

1424
00:58:44.852 --> 00:58:46.720
- [Zach] I can't do that.

1425
00:58:46.755 --> 00:58:48.557
- [Shawn] Think of like a
tough song in your head.

1426
00:58:48.592 --> 00:58:49.987
- [Jade] I get called
bad-ass every day at school.

1427
00:58:50.022 --> 00:58:50.988
- [Shawn] 'Cause you
are a bad-ass, ready?

1428
00:58:51.023 --> 00:58:52.154
- [Zach] I can't stop.

1429
00:58:52.189 --> 00:58:55.025
- [Jade] I have to do it again.

1430
00:58:55.060 --> 00:58:56.257
- [Shawn] Redo.

1431
00:58:58.734 --> 00:59:00.569
- [Jade] You can't
say, don't smile.

1432
00:59:00.604 --> 00:59:04.936
- [Shawn] OK, get your smile
out, get your smile out.

1433
00:59:06.907 --> 00:59:08.302
- [Zach] I smiled.

1434
00:59:10.911 --> 00:59:12.845
- [Shawn] My room is a

1435
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.914
explosion of ICP.

1436
00:59:17.082 --> 00:59:20.017
I'm a collector of
ICP memorabilia.

1437
00:59:21.350 --> 00:59:22.921
I think even if I
didn't like the band,

1438
00:59:22.956 --> 00:59:24.626
I would like their merchandise.

1439
00:59:24.661 --> 00:59:26.254
It's just really cool.

1440
00:59:26.289 --> 00:59:28.256
The clowns are awesome.

1441
00:59:28.291 --> 00:59:31.798
Of course I've got my
Ringmaster blanket.

1442
00:59:31.833 --> 00:59:32.700
My Zippos.

1443
00:59:34.330 --> 00:59:37.199
This was in the backstage
for the wrestling area.

1444
00:59:37.234 --> 00:59:40.169
That's off of
Violent J's shower.

1445
00:59:40.204 --> 00:59:41.742
It's a very small town.

1446
00:59:41.777 --> 00:59:43.139
You do tend to get looks

1447
00:59:43.174 --> 00:59:46.241
when you dress
differently than most.

1448
00:59:46.276 --> 00:59:48.078
Like people you're
holding the door open for,

1449
00:59:48.113 --> 00:59:49.277
they give you just
the strangest.

1450
00:59:49.312 --> 00:59:50.179
What the?

1451
00:59:51.688 --> 00:59:53.985
They're like, "Oh that's
a nice Kokopelli."

1452
00:59:54.020 --> 00:59:55.888
You're like, "Dude, it's
not a Kokopelli, all right?"

1453
00:59:55.923 --> 01:00:00.189
My Hatchetman will stab
your Kokopelli, all right?

1454
01:00:00.224 --> 01:00:03.390
My name is Shawn Wolf,
AKA Sly Guy Smooth.

1455
01:00:03.425 --> 01:00:06.393
I've been a Juggalo
since I was 16.

1456
01:00:06.428 --> 01:00:09.737
I have raised my kids that way.

1457
01:00:09.772 --> 01:00:11.673
They know all about it.

1458
01:00:11.708 --> 01:00:12.674
Hi, Jade Bug.

1459
01:00:12.709 --> 01:00:13.675
- Hi.

1460
01:00:13.710 --> 01:00:14.676
- How was school?

1461
01:00:14.711 --> 01:00:16.843
That's my Jade Bug.

1462
01:00:16.878 --> 01:00:18.647
What are you 17 now?

1463
01:00:18.682 --> 01:00:19.780
- Yeah.

1464
01:00:19.815 --> 01:00:21.210
- [Shawn] By two years old,

1465
01:00:21.245 --> 01:00:23.212
she knew who Violent
J and Shaggy were.

1466
01:00:23.247 --> 01:00:25.280
We had a poster up, you're
like "Oh well who's that?"

1467
01:00:25.315 --> 01:00:26.380
"That's Violent J."

1468
01:00:26.415 --> 01:00:27.381
"And who's that?"

1469
01:00:27.416 --> 01:00:29.284
"That's Shaggy 2 Dope."

1470
01:00:29.319 --> 01:00:31.693
- I'm glad that he's into
the same music I am or else

1471
01:00:31.728 --> 01:00:33.222
we would be butting
heads a lot with

1472
01:00:33.257 --> 01:00:36.126
how loud we play our music.

1473
01:00:36.161 --> 01:00:37.963
- [Shawn] Zach's
birthday is today.

1474
01:00:37.998 --> 01:00:39.228
Same as Shaggy 2 Dope's.

1475
01:00:39.263 --> 01:00:41.197
And he just turned 15.

1476
01:00:41.232 --> 01:00:45.168
- My dad bought me
tickets and a VIP pass

1477
01:00:45.203 --> 01:00:48.072
to the ICP concert
tomorrow night.

1478
01:00:50.076 --> 01:00:52.076
Yes, I'm extremely excited.

1479
01:00:52.111 --> 01:00:54.375
I can't really express
excitement though.

1480
01:00:54.410 --> 01:00:57.015
I don't know, it's kind of
a weird thing that I have.

1481
01:00:57.050 --> 01:00:58.687
- [Shawn] How are you buddy?

1482
01:00:58.722 --> 01:01:00.348
- [Cody] Not bad,
how are you, Dad?

1483
01:01:00.383 --> 01:01:02.053
- [Shawn] Cody is my oldest
one, he just turned 18.

1484
01:01:02.088 --> 01:01:02.922
- How was school?

1485
01:01:02.957 --> 01:01:03.824
- Not bad.

1486
01:01:04.893 --> 01:01:06.288
- [Shawn] Me and Cody's mom had

1487
01:01:06.323 --> 01:01:09.258
like a one-time
deal after school.

1488
01:01:09.293 --> 01:01:13.262
I was only 15 at the
time and just stupid kid.

1489
01:01:13.297 --> 01:01:17.266
Young, dumb, full of come
kind of thing, you know?

1490
01:01:17.301 --> 01:01:19.136
And so she got knocked up.

1491
01:01:19.171 --> 01:01:22.205
I went over there one day and
she'd moved to California.

1492
01:01:22.240 --> 01:01:25.274
Just didn't tell me or nothing
like that, just took off.

1493
01:01:25.309 --> 01:01:26.880
When he was about seven,

1494
01:01:26.915 --> 01:01:30.015
she decided to put
him into a boys' home.

1495
01:01:30.050 --> 01:01:32.116
- Don't throw it too high.

1496
01:01:32.151 --> 01:01:33.986
- [Shawn] She just
abandoned him.

1497
01:01:34.021 --> 01:01:36.417
Didn't come back and try and
visit him or nothing like that.

1498
01:01:36.452 --> 01:01:38.826
And they actually started
trying to work with me

1499
01:01:38.861 --> 01:01:40.729
to get custody of him.

1500
01:01:41.457 --> 01:01:42.764
I want my kids.

1501
01:01:42.799 --> 01:01:44.359
I was raised without a dad

1502
01:01:44.394 --> 01:01:46.999
and I would never
do that to my kids.

1503
01:01:47.034 --> 01:01:48.770
Somewhere after about a year,

1504
01:01:48.805 --> 01:01:51.201
they finally sent
somebody out here

1505
01:01:51.236 --> 01:01:53.434
to come in, like inspect
your home and make sure

1506
01:01:53.469 --> 01:01:55.370
it's livable for him.

1507
01:01:55.405 --> 01:01:58.175
We invited this
lady into our house.

1508
01:01:58.210 --> 01:02:00.276
You see my living
room and stuff.

1509
01:02:00.311 --> 01:02:04.379
It has nothing to do with ICP.
It's totally family oriented.

1510
01:02:04.414 --> 01:02:08.251
Once I brought her into my
room and she saw, you know,

1511
01:02:08.286 --> 01:02:13.223
all of this and it was a bit
overwhelming for her, I think.

1512
01:02:15.062 --> 01:02:16.292
They flat out told me, no,
we're not going to give you

1513
01:02:16.327 --> 01:02:18.525
custody of your kid.

1514
01:02:18.560 --> 01:02:22.804
I mean, my heart just dropped
to the floor, you know?

1515
01:02:22.839 --> 01:02:25.235
And then they told me why.

1516
01:02:25.270 --> 01:02:28.942
I would portray possible
gang affiliations.

1517
01:02:34.884 --> 01:02:37.082
Man, it's just a straight
kick in the nuts.

1518
01:02:37.117 --> 01:02:40.085
You know, I really don't even
know how to describe that

1519
01:02:40.120 --> 01:02:42.824
besides flat out, you
put me on the ground

1520
01:02:42.859 --> 01:02:44.892
and beat the hell out of me.

1521
01:02:44.927 --> 01:02:49.523
I'd much rather have that than
someone denying me my kid.

1522
01:02:52.528 --> 01:02:54.935
- For most of my life, I
mainly felt like I was alone.

1523
01:02:54.970 --> 01:02:57.267
There was no one I could
talk to, not even therapists.

1524
01:02:57.302 --> 01:03:00.006
I've been in group homes
pretty much since I was six.

1525
01:03:00.041 --> 01:03:02.877
And my one shot at
getting out was him

1526
01:03:02.912 --> 01:03:05.572
and it was all just
vanished as soon as

1527
01:03:05.607 --> 01:03:07.178
they said that he
couldn't have it

1528
01:03:07.213 --> 01:03:10.247
all because of some ICP thing.

1529
01:03:10.282 --> 01:03:13.448
A group home is pretty much
where kids go who have been

1530
01:03:13.483 --> 01:03:17.254
labeled all these
labels like ADHD, PTSD.

1531
01:03:17.289 --> 01:03:19.322
Little kids to 18.

1532
01:03:19.357 --> 01:03:23.524
In a way it's kind of like
a leeway juvenile place.

1533
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.999
Due to some of it, I don't
think I was able to mature

1534
01:03:26.034 --> 01:03:29.530
as quickly as a lot of other
people, such as my sister,

1535
01:03:29.565 --> 01:03:33.237
who's always been around a
family member or has always had

1536
01:03:33.272 --> 01:03:36.878
someone there whenever
she needed to talk.

1537
01:03:40.015 --> 01:03:41.949
- People are talking
about, well, why don't you

1538
01:03:41.984 --> 01:03:43.577
just get rid of the ICP stuff?

1539
01:03:43.612 --> 01:03:45.546
ICP is not the problem.

1540
01:03:47.187 --> 01:03:50.551
As it is now, he just turned 18.

1541
01:03:50.586 --> 01:03:53.026
I personally never
got custody of him.

1542
01:03:53.061 --> 01:03:55.193
- [Zach] Flip up a burger.

1543
01:03:56.559 --> 01:04:00.099
- As we come around,
we got our VIP Faygos.

1544
01:04:00.134 --> 01:04:01.969
And the vest that I'm wearing

1545
01:04:02.004 --> 01:04:05.368
is actually Violent
J's vest that he wore.

1546
01:04:06.305 --> 01:04:08.173
Hello?

1547
01:04:08.208 --> 01:04:10.076
Hey man. Yeah, I'm doing an
interview right now, man.

1548
01:04:10.111 --> 01:04:12.474
Let me call you back.

1549
01:04:12.509 --> 01:04:14.410
What?

1550
01:04:14.445 --> 01:04:16.951
So my friend Kyle just called
up and said that the ICP show

1551
01:04:16.986 --> 01:04:19.888
in Mesa just got canceled.

1552
01:04:19.923 --> 01:04:22.451
This is my kids' first ICP show.

1553
01:04:24.961 --> 01:04:27.423
That's crushing right now.

1554
01:04:27.458 --> 01:04:29.062
We have no idea why yet.

1555
01:04:29.097 --> 01:04:30.998
- [Woman On Phone]
Can I help you?

1556
01:04:31.033 --> 01:04:34.067
- Yeah, I'm actually calling
about the ICP show tomorrow.

1557
01:04:34.102 --> 01:04:35.299
I heard he got canceled.

1558
01:04:35.334 --> 01:04:36.938
Is that correct?

1559
01:04:36.973 --> 01:04:38.599
- [Woman On Phone] Yes,
it has been canceled.

1560
01:04:38.634 --> 01:04:40.370
We were only told that because
of the logistical issues.

1561
01:04:40.405 --> 01:04:42.075
We're not told why.

1562
01:04:43.144 --> 01:04:45.210
- All right, thank you much.

1563
01:04:46.411 --> 01:04:48.378
- Well that's not very fair.

1564
01:04:48.413 --> 01:04:49.544
- [Shawn] Maybe they
can use our tickets

1565
01:04:49.579 --> 01:04:51.447
for the Tuscon show.

1566
01:04:51.482 --> 01:04:54.054
Get ahold of the
promoter or something.

1567
01:04:54.089 --> 01:04:57.684
Fuzzy, I know, oh, I
can get a hold of Fuzzy.

1568
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.192
- I have no idea who that is.

1569
01:05:00.227 --> 01:05:01.655
- [Female TV Host] What
specifically are your concerns

1570
01:05:01.690 --> 01:05:04.064
about a group like
this coming here?

1571
01:05:04.099 --> 01:05:05.967
- [Male Caller] Violence.

1572
01:05:06.002 --> 01:05:07.595
- [Female News Anchor] The
concert is called Shockfest

1573
01:05:07.630 --> 01:05:10.433
and one of the headlining bands
is the Insane Clown Posse,

1574
01:05:10.468 --> 01:05:13.271
which is known for its
fans, the 'Juggaloos'.

1575
01:05:13.306 --> 01:05:17.176
A group designated
as a gang by the FBI.

1576
01:05:17.211 --> 01:05:21.114
♪ Where can I go they
don't want me no mo' ♪

1577
01:05:21.149 --> 01:05:25.349
♪ Where can I go they
don't want me no mo' ♪

1578
01:05:25.384 --> 01:05:27.021
- People get most
of their information

1579
01:05:27.056 --> 01:05:28.451
about street gangs
from the media.

1580
01:05:28.486 --> 01:05:30.585
We're hardwired to pay
attention to threat.

1581
01:05:30.620 --> 01:05:34.193
And so the media uses that
to get audience share.

1582
01:05:34.228 --> 01:05:37.031
So they have an agenda to
find the most sensationalistic

1583
01:05:37.066 --> 01:05:39.396
stories to tell about
the street gangs.

1584
01:05:39.431 --> 01:05:41.200
- [Male News Announcer]
A look at the Juggalos

1585
01:05:41.235 --> 01:05:43.103
and the danger they
present to Northern Nevada.

1586
01:05:43.138 --> 01:05:46.172
- Come October 8th, 3,000
of them will be admitted

1587
01:05:46.207 --> 01:05:48.141
inside of these doors.

1588
01:05:48.176 --> 01:05:50.572
- According to one
city councilman,
violence is a concern.

1589
01:05:50.607 --> 01:05:52.244
- [Leonardo] We have
too much violence

1590
01:05:52.279 --> 01:05:53.443
in Fort Myers as it is.

1591
01:05:53.478 --> 01:05:55.082
Why do we want to add to it?

1592
01:05:55.117 --> 01:05:56.512
- [Female News Reporter]
In an email, he wrote,

1593
01:05:56.547 --> 01:05:58.415
I Googled Juggalos and
did not like what I saw.

1594
01:05:58.450 --> 01:06:01.088
- [Male TV Reporter] And
because this is a city facility,

1595
01:06:01.123 --> 01:06:03.189
the city council
could decide to cancel

1596
01:06:03.224 --> 01:06:05.158
the concert altogether.

1597
01:06:06.689 --> 01:06:09.624
- [Jason] We found a
spot in Kaiser, Missouri

1598
01:06:09.659 --> 01:06:11.461
for The Gathering.

1599
01:06:11.496 --> 01:06:14.002
The camp owners, they knew
exactly what the Juggalos were.

1600
01:06:14.037 --> 01:06:15.465
I didn't hold anything back.

1601
01:06:15.500 --> 01:06:17.137
And mind you, Kaiser is
where the Hell's Angels

1602
01:06:17.172 --> 01:06:19.403
have held their
national biker rally.

1603
01:06:19.438 --> 01:06:23.110
And it's like, OK so Hell's
Angels are welcome, no problem.

1604
01:06:23.145 --> 01:06:24.606
The media caught wind of it.

1605
01:06:24.641 --> 01:06:26.674
It was generating all this fear.

1606
01:06:26.709 --> 01:06:29.380
And so you have all
these people in Kaiser,

1607
01:06:29.415 --> 01:06:30.711
they're just reading
the headlines

1608
01:06:30.746 --> 01:06:32.383
and they see Juggalos, gang.

1609
01:06:32.418 --> 01:06:34.682
Those two words side by side.

1610
01:06:34.717 --> 01:06:38.191
The townsfolk were actually
calling the camp owners

1611
01:06:38.226 --> 01:06:40.556
and saying they were arming
themselves, getting ready

1612
01:06:40.591 --> 01:06:42.459
for the gang to come in.

1613
01:06:42.494 --> 01:06:44.494
(gunshots)

1614
01:06:44.529 --> 01:06:47.035
Like they thought Juggalos
were gonna come storming

1615
01:06:47.070 --> 01:06:49.235
in there and start destroying

1616
01:06:49.270 --> 01:06:51.204
like roaming the
streets at night

1617
01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.702
causing destruction
and havoc or something.

1618
01:07:00.182 --> 01:07:02.644
The campground owners pulled
the plug on the whole thing.

1619
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.681
And we were left without
a Gathering grounds.

1620
01:07:06.716 --> 01:07:07.814
We were crushed.

1621
01:07:07.849 --> 01:07:10.058
We absolutely were crushed.

1622
01:07:11.457 --> 01:07:13.259
Since the Juggalos were
first labeled as a gang,

1623
01:07:13.294 --> 01:07:15.393
more and more The
Gathering suffered.

1624
01:07:15.428 --> 01:07:17.791
Like last year we
ended up losing a lot.

1625
01:07:17.826 --> 01:07:19.760
- We lost a great deal of money.

1626
01:07:19.795 --> 01:07:23.071
I believe something along
the lines of $700,000.

1627
01:07:23.106 --> 01:07:24.468
Then it was reported
on the news that

1628
01:07:24.503 --> 01:07:26.371
we couldn't pay all the vendors

1629
01:07:26.406 --> 01:07:29.110
and we were having
financial problems.

1630
01:07:29.145 --> 01:07:32.212
We're not a multi-billion
dollar company, you know?

1631
01:07:32.247 --> 01:07:35.512
- [Shaggy] That's not like
a Pepsi's money that lost.

1632
01:07:35.547 --> 01:07:37.382
That's not Dorito's.

1633
01:07:37.417 --> 01:07:39.252
There is no corporate
sponsor to The Gathering.

1634
01:07:39.287 --> 01:07:42.420
That's fresh out of his
pocket and my pocket.

1635
01:07:42.455 --> 01:07:45.291
- If The Gathering
tanks, we lose our ass.

1636
01:07:45.326 --> 01:07:47.227
- You don't know what's going
to happen at The Gathering.

1637
01:07:47.262 --> 01:07:48.426
Is it going to get raided?

1638
01:07:48.461 --> 01:07:50.098
Everybody's talking about it.

1639
01:07:50.133 --> 01:07:51.363
I don't believe it
will ever happen,

1640
01:07:51.398 --> 01:07:53.629
but I wouldn't want it to happen

1641
01:07:53.664 --> 01:07:55.235
and it very much could.

1642
01:07:55.270 --> 01:07:57.534
- Retailers dropping
our line of merchandise

1643
01:07:57.569 --> 01:07:59.767
because it's gang paraphernalia.

1644
01:07:59.802 --> 01:08:02.143
- We used to have such a
good working relationship

1645
01:08:02.178 --> 01:08:03.573
with Hot Topic.

1646
01:08:03.608 --> 01:08:06.312
And now, since the
gang thing came out,

1647
01:08:06.347 --> 01:08:08.479
they don't even carry us.

1648
01:08:08.514 --> 01:08:10.349
- [Shaggy] Dropped it.

1649
01:08:10.384 --> 01:08:11.746
- [Violent J] It's really
fuckin' up our business, man.

1650
01:08:11.781 --> 01:08:13.847
My daughter's only seven.

1651
01:08:15.422 --> 01:08:17.389
And I have to maintain
this till she's 18.

1652
01:08:17.424 --> 01:08:19.259
I had to be able to
take care of her.

1653
01:08:19.294 --> 01:08:21.162
It gets harder and harder
every year, you know?

1654
01:08:21.197 --> 01:08:23.164
We got to keep staying relevant.

1655
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.562
Keep making the
right moves and plays

1656
01:08:25.597 --> 01:08:27.861
because we got a long way to go.

1657
01:08:27.896 --> 01:08:31.337
Like without this, I don't
know what I'd be doing.

1658
01:08:31.372 --> 01:08:32.239
You know?

1659
01:08:41.283 --> 01:08:42.546
- [Shawn] One time, man,
I'm standing there and

1660
01:08:42.581 --> 01:08:44.185
I'm like in the front row.

1661
01:08:44.220 --> 01:08:46.418
I got hit with a full
two liter of Faygo

1662
01:08:46.453 --> 01:08:47.683
on top of my head, dude.

1663
01:08:47.718 --> 01:08:49.520
Almost knocked me the hell out.

1664
01:08:49.555 --> 01:08:51.390
I wasn't paying attention.

1665
01:08:51.425 --> 01:08:53.326
That sucker came right down
on top of my head, dude.

1666
01:08:53.361 --> 01:08:57.528
I got messed up, but then I
got a full Faygo out of it.

1667
01:08:57.563 --> 01:09:00.630
Oh, It's All Over,
that's a great song.

1668
01:09:00.665 --> 01:09:03.831
Do you guys know
this song at all?

1669
01:09:03.866 --> 01:09:08.605
♪ It's all over ♪

1670
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:11.740
♪ Here we go, in the air we go ♪

1671
01:09:11.775 --> 01:09:13.709
♪ Huh, walking along my path ♪

1672
01:09:13.744 --> 01:09:15.843
♪ The city has morphed
into a blood bath ♪

1673
01:09:15.878 --> 01:09:17.878
♪ Some are looting,
others shooting ♪

1674
01:09:17.913 --> 01:09:19.913
♪ The Devil's in the sky
and he's recruiting ♪

1675
01:09:19.948 --> 01:09:22.223
♪ Tornados twisting
through downtown ♪

1676
01:09:22.258 --> 01:09:24.357
♪ Throwing buses
and trucks around ♪

1677
01:09:24.392 --> 01:09:26.359
♪ Me, I climb the
roof of my house ♪

1678
01:09:26.394 --> 01:09:28.592
♪ Spread my arms out and sing ♪

1679
01:09:28.627 --> 01:09:33.630
♪ It's all over ♪

1680
01:09:34.732 --> 01:09:37.667
♪ Here we go, in the air we go ♪

1681
01:09:38.670 --> 01:09:39.768
- What's up, homie?

1682
01:09:39.803 --> 01:09:40.901
- [Shaggy] You all right?

1683
01:09:40.936 --> 01:09:42.573
- [Violent J] What's up, man?

1684
01:09:42.608 --> 01:09:43.574
- [Shawn] These are
my kids right here.

1685
01:09:43.609 --> 01:09:44.707
Their first show.

1686
01:09:44.742 --> 01:09:46.577
- [Jade] I'm kind of nervous.

1687
01:09:46.612 --> 01:09:50.218
- [Violent J] This shirt
had to be your dad's, right?

1688
01:09:50.253 --> 01:09:51.912
When a ninja comes up to us

1689
01:09:51.947 --> 01:09:55.289
and he chooses to tell
me about how the FBI

1690
01:09:55.324 --> 01:09:56.884
is fucking him up,

1691
01:09:56.919 --> 01:09:59.986
you feel like you can
save this kid somehow.

1692
01:10:00.021 --> 01:10:01.724
Or make things better.

1693
01:10:01.759 --> 01:10:04.595
That's hard to deal
with emotionally.

1694
01:10:04.630 --> 01:10:06.234
- Thank you, Chop.

1695
01:10:07.303 --> 01:10:08.302
That's fuckin' awesome, dude.

1696
01:10:08.337 --> 01:10:09.303
Thank you guys.

1697
01:10:09.338 --> 01:10:10.700
Have a good show.

1698
01:10:12.033 --> 01:10:13.637
- [Violent J] First
time seeing ICP?

1699
01:10:13.672 --> 01:10:17.575
- Oh man, my heart's
racing right now.

1700
01:10:17.610 --> 01:10:18.939
- Two whoops.

1701
01:10:18.974 --> 01:10:20.512
- You're giving us these?

1702
01:10:20.547 --> 01:10:21.909
- I brought them for you guys.

1703
01:10:21.944 --> 01:10:23.548
- This is awesome!

1704
01:10:25.046 --> 01:10:27.849
I have so much trouble
at meet and greets.

1705
01:10:27.884 --> 01:10:30.852
You know, I'm sweating under
the makeup the whole time.

1706
01:10:30.887 --> 01:10:32.623
What do you say to a
kid when he comes up

1707
01:10:32.658 --> 01:10:34.427
and peels his shirt
off and his whole back

1708
01:10:34.462 --> 01:10:36.792
is a big mural to your music?

1709
01:10:38.631 --> 01:10:39.993
- Glad the music could be
there for you, brother.

1710
01:10:40.028 --> 01:10:41.665
- Yeah, no doubt, man.

1711
01:10:41.700 --> 01:10:44.635
- What could you say
that's good enough?

1712
01:10:47.937 --> 01:10:49.607
It's just a lot, man.

1713
01:10:49.642 --> 01:10:50.806
- [Michelle] You
know you worry a lot.

1714
01:10:50.841 --> 01:10:52.874
You think about your family.

1715
01:10:52.909 --> 01:10:55.349
It just takes a toll
on your brain, babe.

1716
01:10:55.384 --> 01:10:57.648
- It gives me panic attacks.

1717
01:10:59.751 --> 01:11:01.487
I wouldn't want my worst enemy

1718
01:11:01.522 --> 01:11:03.885
to suffer from a panic attack.

1719
01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:05.524
You're sitting there
watching TV, all of a sudden

1720
01:11:05.559 --> 01:11:08.021
you're about to
get hit by a train

1721
01:11:08.056 --> 01:11:10.595
and you don't know what the
fuck is causing the fear.

1722
01:11:10.630 --> 01:11:14.566
When you come out of it,
you're just exhausted.

1723
01:11:16.097 --> 01:11:17.800
Let's talk about something else.

1724
01:11:17.835 --> 01:11:18.702
- Okay.

1725
01:11:21.872 --> 01:11:23.773
♪ Who loaned ya money,
homie, who owes ya cash ♪

1726
01:11:23.808 --> 01:11:26.347
♪ Who taught you how to
use a bong for the grass ♪

1727
01:11:26.382 --> 01:11:28.514
♪ I don't know much
but I gotta assume ♪

1728
01:11:28.549 --> 01:11:30.010
♪ When ya hit ya first neden ♪

1729
01:11:30.045 --> 01:11:31.715
♪ Ya homies was in
the other room ♪

1730
01:11:31.750 --> 01:11:34.322
♪ We talkin' about
homies, homies ♪

1731
01:11:34.357 --> 01:11:35.785
- [Michael] I like
The Allman Brothers

1732
01:11:35.820 --> 01:11:37.490
and Earth, Wind & Fire

1733
01:11:37.525 --> 01:11:39.019
and Stevie Wonder.

1734
01:11:39.054 --> 01:11:42.660
The closest thing
to rebellious music

1735
01:11:42.695 --> 01:11:44.893
growing up was, uh, Aerosmith.

1736
01:11:46.831 --> 01:11:49.667
I don't listen to
Aerosmith anymore.

1737
01:11:49.702 --> 01:11:52.604
- [Farris] We filed our first
lawsuit the summer of 2012.

1738
01:11:52.639 --> 01:11:54.936
That lawsuit was
just to give the FBI

1739
01:11:54.971 --> 01:11:57.070
a chance to explain themselves.

1740
01:11:57.105 --> 01:11:59.347
They didn't really have
a good explanation.

1741
01:11:59.382 --> 01:12:00.777
- [Male News Anchor]
Now the members of the

1742
01:12:00.812 --> 01:12:02.383
Insane Clown Posse
and several Juggalos

1743
01:12:02.418 --> 01:12:05.749
have partnered with the
ACLU to sue the FBI.

1744
01:12:05.784 --> 01:12:09.918
- This morning, the ACLU
filed a federal lawsuit

1745
01:12:09.953 --> 01:12:11.920
against the
Department of Justice

1746
01:12:11.955 --> 01:12:15.561
and against the FBI
challenging the designation

1747
01:12:15.596 --> 01:12:18.927
of a musical fan base
as a criminal gang.

1748
01:12:20.865 --> 01:12:22.667
- [Saura] One thing
that we should get clear

1749
01:12:22.702 --> 01:12:24.867
right from the start,
organized crime has nothing

1750
01:12:24.902 --> 01:12:27.507
to do with the Juggalo culture.

1751
01:12:27.542 --> 01:12:29.674
- Discrimination based
on the type of music

1752
01:12:29.709 --> 01:12:32.545
a person listens to
is flat out ridiculous

1753
01:12:32.580 --> 01:12:34.712
and un-American bull shit.

1754
01:12:36.584 --> 01:12:39.112
We are official
plaintiffs in a lawsuit

1755
01:12:39.147 --> 01:12:41.719
against the FBI officially.

1756
01:12:41.754 --> 01:12:44.458
We're going to war with the FBI.

1757
01:12:44.493 --> 01:12:47.824
- ICP is not defendants
and it feels good.

1758
01:12:47.859 --> 01:12:49.727
You know what I'm saying?

1759
01:12:49.762 --> 01:12:53.764
- It's like a fucking big-ass
cheer like (imitates cheer).

1760
01:12:53.799 --> 01:12:55.733
- The ACLU, they don't play.

1761
01:12:55.768 --> 01:12:59.770
And it's gotta be a real cause
for them to get involved.

1762
01:12:59.805 --> 01:13:02.036
- [Michael] The American
Civil Liberties Union

1763
01:13:02.071 --> 01:13:05.072
is the oldest and largest
organization in the country

1764
01:13:05.107 --> 01:13:08.515
dedicated to defending the
civil rights and civil liberties

1765
01:13:08.550 --> 01:13:10.781
of all people in this country.

1766
01:13:10.816 --> 01:13:13.553
We work on a wide,
wide variety of cases,

1767
01:13:13.588 --> 01:13:16.721
including freedom of
speech, freedom of religion,

1768
01:13:16.756 --> 01:13:19.086
police misconduct,
voting rights,

1769
01:13:19.121 --> 01:13:21.891
rights of people of
color, rights of women,

1770
01:13:21.926 --> 01:13:24.498
rights of LGBT persons.

1771
01:13:24.533 --> 01:13:28.799
We are here to ensure
that our country lives up

1772
01:13:28.834 --> 01:13:33.034
to its values of freedom
and democracy and liberty.

1773
01:13:34.873 --> 01:13:38.479
I didn't initially see this
as being in any way comparable

1774
01:13:38.514 --> 01:13:41.680
to the other civil
rights cases we had.

1775
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.651
But the more I learned,
the more it reminded me

1776
01:13:45.686 --> 01:13:47.884
of many other of our cases.

1777
01:13:49.492 --> 01:13:51.525
And it wasn't just
about representing

1778
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:53.758
a bunch of people who
painted their face.

1779
01:13:53.793 --> 01:13:57.597
There was serious
constitutional issues at stake.

1780
01:13:57.632 --> 01:14:00.699
Throughout history,
there has always been

1781
01:14:00.734 --> 01:14:02.734
a tendency for the government

1782
01:14:02.769 --> 01:14:06.100
to want to suppress
controversial speech.

1783
01:14:07.708 --> 01:14:09.741
And that could be
speech from the left,

1784
01:14:09.776 --> 01:14:13.173
speech from the right,
speech from non-conformists.

1785
01:14:13.208 --> 01:14:16.550
That's why we have the
First Amendment to serve

1786
01:14:16.585 --> 01:14:19.146
as a check on abuse
of government.

1787
01:14:19.181 --> 01:14:21.951
Because of the First Amendment,
people in this country

1788
01:14:21.986 --> 01:14:24.019
can listen to whatever
music they want.

1789
01:14:24.054 --> 01:14:26.890
They can express themselves
the way they wish

1790
01:14:26.925 --> 01:14:29.695
without fear of
police harassment.

1791
01:14:29.730 --> 01:14:31.730
They can worship
the way they wish.

1792
01:14:31.765 --> 01:14:33.501
There's the right to protest.

1793
01:14:33.536 --> 01:14:36.064
There's a free press to report.

1794
01:14:36.099 --> 01:14:39.133
- We need music that expresses
the times that we're happy.

1795
01:14:39.168 --> 01:14:41.641
We need music that expresses
at times that we're angry.

1796
01:14:41.676 --> 01:14:44.545
And ICP, they're doing
that for their fans.

1797
01:14:44.580 --> 01:14:46.943
And for me, it was Soundgarden
or Jane's Addiction

1798
01:14:46.978 --> 01:14:48.780
or Ice-T tea or NWA.

1799
01:14:48.815 --> 01:14:50.276
I mean that's the
time when I grew up.

1800
01:14:50.311 --> 01:14:51.684
But time and time again,

1801
01:14:51.719 --> 01:14:53.147
every 10, 15 years,

1802
01:14:53.182 --> 01:14:56.051
we find ourselves
in this situation.

1803
01:14:56.086 --> 01:14:58.922
♪ Fuck the police comin'
straight from the underground ♪

1804
01:14:58.957 --> 01:15:00.891
- [Male News Anchor] NWA
has taunted law enforcement

1805
01:15:00.926 --> 01:15:03.960
with its lyrics urging
violence against police.

1806
01:15:03.995 --> 01:15:07.062
- [Interviewer] FBI, how
did the FBI situation stuff?

1807
01:15:07.097 --> 01:15:09.295
- [Dr. Dre] There was one
guy that thought he would

1808
01:15:09.330 --> 01:15:10.769
write us a letter.

1809
01:15:10.804 --> 01:15:12.672
He's in Utah somewhere.

1810
01:15:12.707 --> 01:15:14.641
- I guess he figured if sent
us a letter, we'd be like,

1811
01:15:14.676 --> 01:15:16.005
oh, the FBI sent us a letter,

1812
01:15:16.040 --> 01:15:18.073
let's stop writing
records and doing this.

1813
01:15:18.108 --> 01:15:21.076
- [Saura] The FBI just seems
to find itself once again

1814
01:15:21.111 --> 01:15:23.848
investigating
musicians, fan bases.

1815
01:15:23.883 --> 01:15:25.245
Whether it's John Lennon,

1816
01:15:25.280 --> 01:15:28.622
the Deadheads or
KISS, they're wrong.

1817
01:15:31.627 --> 01:15:33.660
- [Michael] Certainly
fans of various groups

1818
01:15:33.695 --> 01:15:35.926
have been targeted
throughout history,

1819
01:15:35.961 --> 01:15:38.962
but I believe this
is unprecedented.

1820
01:15:43.298 --> 01:15:45.298
- If we get removed
from the gang list,

1821
01:15:45.333 --> 01:15:48.037
I think everything will
go back to the way it was.

1822
01:15:48.072 --> 01:15:49.808
I believe that.

1823
01:15:49.843 --> 01:15:52.910
(dark hip hop beats)

1824
01:16:01.382 --> 01:16:04.724
- [Violent J] The judge
looked at it and said,

1825
01:16:04.759 --> 01:16:08.662
this ain't even worth going
to court, and threw it out.

1826
01:16:08.697 --> 01:16:10.191
- [Female Reporter] The Detroit
based rap group known as

1827
01:16:10.226 --> 01:16:11.797
Insane Clown Posse
has been classified

1828
01:16:11.832 --> 01:16:13.293
as a gang by the feds.

1829
01:16:13.328 --> 01:16:14.899
And it's going to stay that way

1830
01:16:14.934 --> 01:16:17.902
according to a US
District Court judge.

1831
01:16:19.301 --> 01:16:22.137
♪ How many times will a
judge decide my fate? ♪

1832
01:16:22.172 --> 01:16:25.107
♪ Who is he, a bitch,
nothing great ♪

1833
01:16:25.142 --> 01:16:28.209
♪ He takes shits, and
fucks his old floppy wife ♪

1834
01:16:28.244 --> 01:16:31.619
♪ Plays with his balls
and judges my life ♪

1835
01:16:31.654 --> 01:16:34.952
- They claimed that we
didn't have standing

1836
01:16:34.987 --> 01:16:36.591
to bring the case.

1837
01:16:37.957 --> 01:16:40.089
And the major argument was

1838
01:16:41.895 --> 01:16:43.928
the harms we were alleging,

1839
01:16:43.963 --> 01:16:46.326
for example, people
being pulled over

1840
01:16:46.361 --> 01:16:48.130
by the Tennessee police,

1841
01:16:48.165 --> 01:16:51.331
those were harms inflicted
by third parties.

1842
01:16:51.366 --> 01:16:53.971
- Which is crazy because
they're doing that

1843
01:16:54.006 --> 01:16:56.941
because the fuckin'
FBI says we're a gang.

1844
01:16:56.976 --> 01:17:01.011
- [Michael] The FBI created
a gang list to inform

1845
01:17:01.046 --> 01:17:04.113
the actions of local
law enforcement.

1846
01:17:04.148 --> 01:17:09.151
It's obvious that local law
enforcement is going to react.

1847
01:17:10.759 --> 01:17:13.122
- It's a sad, scary,
scary fuckin' thing.

1848
01:17:15.324 --> 01:17:18.732
- The First Amendment
is a fundamental right

1849
01:17:18.767 --> 01:17:22.395
upon which many of our
other rights are based.

1850
01:17:23.464 --> 01:17:26.707
And if people in a free country

1851
01:17:26.742 --> 01:17:29.072
aren't able to
express themselves,

1852
01:17:29.107 --> 01:17:32.174
whether it's
politically or socially,

1853
01:17:34.178 --> 01:17:36.783
we do not live in a democracy.

1854
01:17:38.446 --> 01:17:41.788
Juggalos should not
be afraid to express

1855
01:17:41.823 --> 01:17:44.692
who they are in this country.

1856
01:17:44.727 --> 01:17:46.826
They have an absolute
right to do that

1857
01:17:46.861 --> 01:17:49.796
without fear of harassment.

1858
01:17:49.831 --> 01:17:54.427
- Insane Clown Posse, that name
induces laughter everywhere.

1859
01:17:54.462 --> 01:17:55.934
- It's like, all right,
yeah, everybody knows

1860
01:17:55.969 --> 01:17:57.837
we're getting fucked with.

1861
01:17:57.872 --> 01:17:59.234
Everybody knows the FBI
is in their fuckin' courts

1862
01:17:59.269 --> 01:18:01.038
giving us the the
shit end of the stick.

1863
01:18:01.073 --> 01:18:02.875
- One member of a
popular rap duo is facing

1864
01:18:02.910 --> 01:18:04.943
legal trouble for
a traffic stop.

1865
01:18:04.978 --> 01:18:06.109
- [Female TV Anchor] His
drug screen came back

1866
01:18:06.144 --> 01:18:07.979
looking like a pharmacy.

1867
01:18:08.014 --> 01:18:10.982
Pain meds, muscle relaxers from
hydrocodone to amphetamine.

1868
01:18:11.017 --> 01:18:12.478
- [TV Show Host] Shaggy 2
Dope attempted to drop kick

1869
01:18:12.513 --> 01:18:15.789
Fred Durst in the middle
of a Limp Bizkit show.

1870
01:18:15.824 --> 01:18:17.857
- [Female News Anchor] The
feds say both members of ICP

1871
01:18:17.892 --> 01:18:20.156
owe the IRS nearly $380,000.

1872
01:18:22.160 --> 01:18:26.866
♪ I have a headache,
my brain feels dead ♪

1873
01:18:26.901 --> 01:18:28.769
- You all right?

1874
01:18:28.804 --> 01:18:30.496
- Yeah, man.

1875
01:18:30.531 --> 01:18:33.301
♪ I'm trying to hold myself
together, impossible task ♪

1876
01:18:33.336 --> 01:18:37.107
♪ My only question,
how long will I last ♪

1877
01:18:37.142 --> 01:18:38.977
- [Female News Anchor]
79 criminal arrests

1878
01:18:39.012 --> 01:18:41.144
at the festival organized
by Insane Clown Posse.

1879
01:18:41.179 --> 01:18:43.883
- A police officer was fired
for identifying as a Juggalo.

1880
01:18:43.918 --> 01:18:45.412
- [Male News Reporter]
Suspects sporting t-shirts

1881
01:18:45.447 --> 01:18:47.821
with the Insane Clown
Posse are each charged

1882
01:18:47.856 --> 01:18:49.449
with two counts of rioting.

1883
01:18:49.484 --> 01:18:50.890
- [Female News Anchor] One
homeowner we spoke to called it

1884
01:18:50.925 --> 01:18:52.958
the concert from hell.

1885
01:18:52.993 --> 01:18:55.994
♪ I'm falling apart ♪

1886
01:18:58.427 --> 01:19:01.934
- [Rob] Now we've been through
a lot of shit over the years.

1887
01:19:01.969 --> 01:19:05.201
Motherfuckers have
been trying to stop us

1888
01:19:05.236 --> 01:19:07.500
since the inception of
Psychopathic Records

1889
01:19:07.535 --> 01:19:10.107
and the Juggalo family.

1890
01:19:10.142 --> 01:19:12.010
We got the FBI.

1891
01:19:12.045 --> 01:19:16.047
We got motherfuckers pulling
our fucking Gathering location

1892
01:19:16.082 --> 01:19:18.214
out from under us.

1893
01:19:18.249 --> 01:19:21.052
But will that fucking stop us?

1894
01:19:21.087 --> 01:19:22.152
- [Crowd] No!

1895
01:19:24.024 --> 01:19:26.090
- The FBI wants ICP dead.

1896
01:19:27.456 --> 01:19:31.359
Not only that, the FBI
wants you Juggalos dead.

1897
01:19:31.394 --> 01:19:33.460
But check this out right here.

1898
01:19:33.495 --> 01:19:36.034
We ain't never ever gonna die.

1899
01:19:36.069 --> 01:19:37.464
You motherfuckers!

1900
01:19:41.602 --> 01:19:43.437
Little bit louder!

1901
01:19:43.472 --> 01:19:44.339
Come on!

1902
01:19:46.211 --> 01:19:47.144
Here we go!

1903
01:19:48.114 --> 01:19:50.917
♪ Hey, yeah, yeah ♪

1904
01:19:57.420 --> 01:20:00.190
- [Crowd] Family,
family, family.

1905
01:20:02.524 --> 01:20:05.932
- Last night we
filed a 41 page brief

1906
01:20:05.967 --> 01:20:07.527
in the US Court of Appeals.

1907
01:20:07.562 --> 01:20:09.903
We're not asking
for a miracle here.

1908
01:20:09.938 --> 01:20:13.907
All we're asking is for the
judges to follow the law

1909
01:20:13.942 --> 01:20:16.877
and give the Juggalos
their day in court

1910
01:20:16.912 --> 01:20:18.846
so that justice may be served.

1911
01:20:18.881 --> 01:20:20.540
- We'll get our day in court
in front of the Sixth Circuit.

1912
01:20:20.575 --> 01:20:24.082
I'd like to think that we'll
have a strong shot there.

1913
01:20:24.117 --> 01:20:26.315
And we're up talking
about whether or not
the federal courts

1914
01:20:26.350 --> 01:20:28.581
have the authority to
decide in this case,

1915
01:20:28.616 --> 01:20:31.892
what the heck the
Constitution means.

1916
01:20:33.962 --> 01:20:35.588
- [Saura] By designating
the Juggalos as a gang

1917
01:20:35.623 --> 01:20:38.558
and calling each of
the appellants that,

1918
01:20:38.593 --> 01:20:40.329
by implication, a gang member,

1919
01:20:40.364 --> 01:20:42.298
you've branded
them as criminals.

1920
01:20:42.333 --> 01:20:44.003
- Doesn't the report
itself specifically say

1921
01:20:44.038 --> 01:20:46.269
that there's criminal
subsets of Juggalos?

1922
01:20:46.304 --> 01:20:48.942
The DOJ is not saying that
all Juggalos are gang members.

1923
01:20:48.977 --> 01:20:50.603
- That word subset does no work.

1924
01:20:50.638 --> 01:20:53.012
It is meaningless to
everybody involved here.

1925
01:20:53.047 --> 01:20:55.575
It's meaningless to the
law enforcement officers

1926
01:20:55.610 --> 01:20:57.511
who enforce the law and
that's what's most important.

1927
01:20:57.546 --> 01:21:00.217
It did nothing to save our
plaintiffs from suffering

1928
01:21:00.252 --> 01:21:03.088
law enforcement
and other actions.

1929
01:21:03.123 --> 01:21:04.958
So let me pause it,
I mean, is that-

1930
01:21:04.993 --> 01:21:06.388
- [Farris] That was awesome.

1931
01:21:06.423 --> 01:21:07.521
- [Female Team Member]
That was very good.

1932
01:21:07.556 --> 01:21:09.424
- [Farris] That was great, yeah.

1933
01:21:09.459 --> 01:21:11.063
That made me feel like this
is totally different than

1934
01:21:11.098 --> 01:21:13.593
your average person
on the gang list.

1935
01:21:13.628 --> 01:21:18.136
- In the morning, do I
actually remember to say that?

1936
01:21:26.707 --> 01:21:28.916
- [Michael] If we want
to get back in the game

1937
01:21:28.951 --> 01:21:31.644
and be able to prove that
the rights of Juggalos

1938
01:21:31.679 --> 01:21:35.153
across the country were
violated, we need to win today.

1939
01:21:35.188 --> 01:21:38.519
So this is a critical
moment in the case.

1940
01:21:46.133 --> 01:21:47.231
- [Saura] Good
morning, your Honors

1941
01:21:47.266 --> 01:21:49.035
and may it please this court,

1942
01:21:49.070 --> 01:21:50.938
the Department of
Justice's hybrid gang rule

1943
01:21:50.973 --> 01:21:53.204
burdens the rights of
over a million people

1944
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:55.140
in the Department of
Justice's own words,

1945
01:21:55.175 --> 01:21:57.604
based on the actions of a few.

1946
01:21:57.639 --> 01:21:59.276
- [Judge] Are you
disputing that some people

1947
01:21:59.311 --> 01:22:01.047
that self-identify as Juggalos

1948
01:22:01.082 --> 01:22:03.709
have done what this
assessment says that they do?

1949
01:22:03.744 --> 01:22:05.953
- [Saura] We're not
challenging the finding

1950
01:22:05.988 --> 01:22:08.186
that maybe eight people
someplace in Idaho

1951
01:22:08.221 --> 01:22:11.123
are acting as a criminal street
gang and bearing the name

1952
01:22:11.158 --> 01:22:14.027
Juggalo for reasons that
are out of our control.

1953
01:22:14.062 --> 01:22:17.558
There is no data to support
that this group is engaged in

1954
01:22:17.593 --> 01:22:19.197
criminal activity
because they're not.

1955
01:22:19.232 --> 01:22:20.627
Their primary purpose
is to be music fans

1956
01:22:20.662 --> 01:22:22.497
and the vast majority
are law abiding people.

1957
01:22:22.532 --> 01:22:24.301
- [Judge] Thank you, counsel.

1958
01:22:24.336 --> 01:22:27.073
- May it please the
court, Lindsey Powell

1959
01:22:27.108 --> 01:22:28.536
for the federal defendants.

1960
01:22:28.571 --> 01:22:31.374
The 2011 report does not
state that all Juggalos

1961
01:22:31.409 --> 01:22:34.179
are gang members and no
legal consequences follow

1962
01:22:34.214 --> 01:22:35.576
from this report.

1963
01:22:35.611 --> 01:22:37.215
- [Judge] Not the be facetious,

1964
01:22:37.250 --> 01:22:39.085
but could you pass the
FBI background check

1965
01:22:39.120 --> 01:22:41.120
and be in your job if you
were a member of the Juggalos?

1966
01:22:41.155 --> 01:22:43.287
- [Lindsey] Um, I-

1967
01:22:43.322 --> 01:22:46.158
- [Judge] These third
parties told these folks

1968
01:22:46.193 --> 01:22:49.062
it was upon reliance
on this assessment

1969
01:22:49.097 --> 01:22:52.164
that they were taking the
actions that they were taking.

1970
01:22:52.199 --> 01:22:54.100
They say the police
officer came up to me

1971
01:22:54.135 --> 01:22:56.597
and I read your group is a
gang in the FBI assessment

1972
01:22:56.632 --> 01:22:59.006
and so I'm going to
detain you, search you,

1973
01:22:59.041 --> 01:23:00.733
whatever it is
they say they did.

1974
01:23:00.768 --> 01:23:02.669
It seems to me a little hard
for you to get around that.

1975
01:23:02.704 --> 01:23:05.210
- [Lindsey] It's simply
information being provided

1976
01:23:05.245 --> 01:23:08.180
for law enforcement entities
to use how they see fit.

1977
01:23:08.215 --> 01:23:11.018
- [Judge] Thank you, counsel.

1978
01:23:11.053 --> 01:23:12.745
Appreciate your arguments.

1979
01:23:12.780 --> 01:23:15.022
And the case will be submitted.

1980
01:23:15.057 --> 01:23:17.255
- [Michael] Saura
did an amazing job.

1981
01:23:17.290 --> 01:23:20.720
His arguments obviously
resonated with the
court of appeals

1982
01:23:20.755 --> 01:23:23.162
because we won unanimously.

1983
01:23:24.561 --> 01:23:25.791
♪ You know who
you fucking with ♪

1984
01:23:25.826 --> 01:23:29.531
♪ W-w-w-w-w-w-w-w-wicked
clowns ♪

1985
01:23:29.566 --> 01:23:34.107
♪ You know who
you fucking with ♪

1986
01:23:34.142 --> 01:23:36.736
♪ Wicked clowns, wicked clowns ♪

1987
01:23:36.771 --> 01:23:39.607
♪ Wicked clowns, wicked clowns
♪ ♪ Don't fuck with me ♪

1988
01:23:39.642 --> 01:23:42.247
♪ Wicked clowns, wicked clowns ♪

1989
01:23:42.282 --> 01:23:46.218
♪ Wicked clowns, wicked clowns ♪

1990
01:23:48.189 --> 01:23:50.519
(calm music)

1991
01:23:55.658 --> 01:23:57.526
- [Dep. Moore] The county
itself is the second largest

1992
01:23:57.561 --> 01:23:59.297
county in the state.

1993
01:23:59.332 --> 01:24:03.268
However, we're still
considered a rural community.

1994
01:24:03.303 --> 01:24:05.303
Farm community.

1995
01:24:05.338 --> 01:24:08.207
Predominantly Republican.

1996
01:24:08.242 --> 01:24:10.440
Midwest USA.

1997
01:24:10.475 --> 01:24:14.246
This is the Licking County
Common Police Court House.

1998
01:24:14.281 --> 01:24:18.646
Most people would just call
it simply the court house.

1999
01:24:18.681 --> 01:24:22.650
I mean, we have the
world's largest basket.

2000
01:24:22.685 --> 01:24:26.390
(swelling orchestral music)

2001
01:24:47.842 --> 01:24:49.446
- [Steve] We have
everything from

2002
01:24:49.481 --> 01:24:50.810
the Grateful Dead
to Jimmy Buffet.

2003
01:24:50.845 --> 01:24:52.713
Lollapalooza was
here back in the day.

2004
01:24:52.748 --> 01:24:56.255
My wife and I have owned
it for the last 21 years.

2005
01:24:56.290 --> 01:24:58.356
And I saw that they
had lost their place

2006
01:24:58.391 --> 01:24:59.786
in Missouri, I think.

2007
01:24:59.821 --> 01:25:03.625
I'm all about giving
people second chances.

2008
01:25:03.660 --> 01:25:07.497
(uplifting hip hop)

2009
01:25:07.532 --> 01:25:08.498
- [Shaggy] What up?

2010
01:25:08.533 --> 01:25:10.302
What up, son?

2011
01:25:10.337 --> 01:25:11.534
- Whoop, whoop.

2012
01:25:12.867 --> 01:25:15.175
- [Violent J] The
overall vibe is great.

2013
01:25:15.210 --> 01:25:17.474
The comradery amongst each other

2014
01:25:17.509 --> 01:25:20.708
that can only be
described as euphoric.

2015
01:25:23.284 --> 01:25:25.647
We almost flipped this
bitch right there.

2016
01:25:25.682 --> 01:25:27.847
♪ On Juggalo Island ♪

2017
01:25:27.882 --> 01:25:32.258
♪ We can be one ♪

2018
01:25:32.293 --> 01:25:36.295
♪ Let our nuts
hang by the water ♪

2019
01:25:36.330 --> 01:25:37.395
♪ On Juggalo Island ♪

2020
01:25:37.430 --> 01:25:38.825
♪ We can have fun ♪

2021
01:25:38.860 --> 01:25:41.333
- [Kevin] This is our
13th fucking Gathering.

2022
01:25:41.368 --> 01:25:44.633
Whoop, whoop, (indistinct).

2023
01:25:44.668 --> 01:25:46.305
- [Dep. Moore] I know
that the community

2024
01:25:46.340 --> 01:25:47.372
raised some concerns
when they found out

2025
01:25:47.407 --> 01:25:49.572
they were coming here.

2026
01:25:49.607 --> 01:25:51.211
- [Steve] I got a lot of
pushback from the locals

2027
01:25:51.246 --> 01:25:54.280
and more pushback
from the state.

2028
01:25:54.315 --> 01:25:57.217
- Well, they do their
internet research

2029
01:25:57.252 --> 01:25:58.911
like everybody else does.

2030
01:25:58.946 --> 01:26:01.716
And you hear the stories
and we've assured them

2031
01:26:01.751 --> 01:26:04.917
that we'll be providing
deputies inside the venue.

2032
01:26:04.952 --> 01:26:07.524
There's no law on the
books that say it's a crime

2033
01:26:07.559 --> 01:26:09.295
to be a gang member.

2034
01:26:12.630 --> 01:26:13.596
- [Bandit Crew Member]
We do country shows.

2035
01:26:13.631 --> 01:26:15.268
We do the hippy shows.

2036
01:26:15.303 --> 01:26:16.269
And now this is the
first time we've had

2037
01:26:16.304 --> 01:26:17.897
the Juggalos out here.

2038
01:26:17.932 --> 01:26:19.734
And really, I think the hippies
are really the same thing.

2039
01:26:19.769 --> 01:26:22.242
It's just a little more tattoos,
a little more aggressive.

2040
01:26:22.277 --> 01:26:24.475
But other than that I've had a
good time out here with them.

2041
01:26:24.510 --> 01:26:26.675
It really shocked me because
everybody was telling us

2042
01:26:26.710 --> 01:26:27.940
it's gonna be all this and that.

2043
01:26:27.975 --> 01:26:29.381
- I want a picture, man.

2044
01:26:29.416 --> 01:26:30.283
Can I get a picture?

2045
01:26:30.318 --> 01:26:31.185
- Sure.

2046
01:26:32.617 --> 01:26:33.583
- Thank you, man.

2047
01:26:33.618 --> 01:26:34.815
- No problem, thank you.

2048
01:26:34.850 --> 01:26:35.684
- Thanks a lot.

2049
01:26:35.719 --> 01:26:36.685
- Thanks, buddy.

2050
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:38.555
- Thank you, brother.

2051
01:26:38.590 --> 01:26:39.985
- No real issues.

2052
01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:41.888
Not on our end.

2053
01:26:41.923 --> 01:26:43.758
For the most part, fans
seem to want to take care

2054
01:26:43.793 --> 01:26:47.366
of themselves, offering
out to help each other.

2055
01:26:47.401 --> 01:26:49.929
- If you need more bread,
come back and see us, OK?

2056
01:26:49.964 --> 01:26:51.304
- Appreciate you.

2057
01:26:51.339 --> 01:26:52.932
- No problem, man.

2058
01:26:52.967 --> 01:26:56.276
Keep your homeys
hydrated too, all right?

2059
01:26:56.311 --> 01:26:57.640
Lot of Juggalos don't have much.

2060
01:26:57.675 --> 01:26:59.807
When they get
here, we feed them.

2061
01:26:59.842 --> 01:27:01.842
Hot dogs, we got water for them.

2062
01:27:01.877 --> 01:27:04.009
We've got about 800 or so
pounds of donated clothing

2063
01:27:04.044 --> 01:27:05.945
so far that people have brought.

2064
01:27:05.980 --> 01:27:09.388
We're just the part of the
family that likes to cook.

2065
01:27:09.423 --> 01:27:11.984
- [Preacher] May we christen
this space our new home.

2066
01:27:12.019 --> 01:27:14.657
A place where we never
have to feel alone.

2067
01:27:14.692 --> 01:27:16.956
A place of love,
music and peace.

2068
01:27:16.991 --> 01:27:21.532
A time when we can cherish
and stress the least.

2069
01:27:21.567 --> 01:27:24.337
That is not gonna
happen, anyway.

2070
01:27:25.703 --> 01:27:27.571
- [Man On Radio]
Hey Kevin or Alan.

2071
01:27:27.606 --> 01:27:30.706
There's a bunch of ATF guys
that tried to get in here.

2072
01:27:30.741 --> 01:27:33.511
They're just gonna basically
go throughout the grounds,

2073
01:27:33.546 --> 01:27:36.349
giving out everybody the bone.

2074
01:27:36.384 --> 01:27:37.977
- [Farris] Well, the ATF,

2075
01:27:38.012 --> 01:27:40.287
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms are outside

2076
01:27:40.322 --> 01:27:43.884
the back entrance to
the Gathering of the
Juggalos right now

2077
01:27:43.919 --> 01:27:46.458
which is on private property.

2078
01:27:48.088 --> 01:27:49.725
What I'm also
concerned about is that

2079
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:52.563
the ATF often
works with the FBI.

2080
01:27:52.598 --> 01:27:54.301
They can not come onto your
property without your consent,

2081
01:27:54.336 --> 01:27:57.700
without a search warrant
signed by a judge.

2082
01:27:57.735 --> 01:27:59.537
- You guys rented
the venue from me,

2083
01:27:59.572 --> 01:28:01.605
but I'm not gonna
give them consent.

2084
01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:03.541
But you're going to
explain everything?

2085
01:28:03.576 --> 01:28:04.971
- I'm going to explain
it all to them.

2086
01:28:05.006 --> 01:28:05.972
So if you're ready
to go out there.

2087
01:28:06.007 --> 01:28:07.875
All right, let's do it.

2088
01:28:07.910 --> 01:28:09.481
That's one of them right there?

2089
01:28:09.516 --> 01:28:10.911
Is that one of them
right there too?

2090
01:28:10.946 --> 01:28:12.913
I'm an attorney, I'd
like to speak to you.

2091
01:28:12.948 --> 01:28:14.486
You with the ATF?

2092
01:28:17.524 --> 01:28:18.886
Excuse me, sir.

2093
01:28:18.921 --> 01:28:20.327
I'm an attorney,
can I speak to you?

2094
01:28:20.362 --> 01:28:22.659
Are you with the ATF?

2095
01:28:22.694 --> 01:28:25.431
Are you a law enforcement agent?

2096
01:28:32.407 --> 01:28:34.605
Did he just flick us off?

2097
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:36.442
We should point out,
very unprofessionally,

2098
01:28:36.477 --> 01:28:38.741
one of them flicked
us off on his way out

2099
01:28:38.776 --> 01:28:41.381
after refusing to speak to me.

2100
01:28:43.484 --> 01:28:45.418
- [Michael] After an initial win

2101
01:28:45.453 --> 01:28:47.717
in the Sixth Circuit
Court of Appeals,

2102
01:28:47.752 --> 01:28:49.884
the case went back
to the trial court

2103
01:28:49.919 --> 01:28:52.359
for another motion to dismiss by

2104
01:28:52.394 --> 01:28:54.625
the FBI and the
Department of Justice.

2105
01:28:54.660 --> 01:28:56.528
And this time we lost.

2106
01:28:57.861 --> 01:28:59.795
- Hold on, fuck you man.

2107
01:28:59.830 --> 01:29:02.633
- And we went back up to
the US Court of Appeals

2108
01:29:02.668 --> 01:29:04.866
and we lost there as well.

2109
01:29:04.901 --> 01:29:05.867
- Fuck you.

2110
01:29:05.902 --> 01:29:06.736
Wait a minute, what?

2111
01:29:06.771 --> 01:29:07.869
Fuck you.

2112
01:29:07.904 --> 01:29:09.904
- [Michael] The court held that

2113
01:29:09.939 --> 01:29:12.478
because local law enforcement

2114
01:29:13.844 --> 01:29:16.746
were not forced to
harass the Juggalos,

2115
01:29:16.781 --> 01:29:18.979
the FBI was not responsible

2116
01:29:19.014 --> 01:29:22.983
under the Administrative
Procedures Act.

2117
01:29:23.018 --> 01:29:24.919
- When it gets thrown
out of court repeatedly,

2118
01:29:24.954 --> 01:29:26.855
how else are you
going to stand up?

2119
01:29:26.890 --> 01:29:27.889
What do you do?

2120
01:29:27.924 --> 01:29:28.923
You protest.

2121
01:29:31.125 --> 01:29:32.696
- [Male Announcer] Thousands
of demonstrators assembled

2122
01:29:32.731 --> 01:29:35.127
in the nation's capital
for a mass protest.

2123
01:29:35.162 --> 01:29:36.997
- [Male Narrator] The Lincoln
Memorial is forever enshrined

2124
01:29:37.032 --> 01:29:40.638
as a megaphone for the voice
of the American people.

2125
01:29:40.673 --> 01:29:43.608
From anti-war protests
to million man marches.

2126
01:29:43.643 --> 01:29:46.875
- [Ickes] In this great
auditorium under the sky,

2127
01:29:46.910 --> 01:29:48.745
all of us are free.

2128
01:29:48.780 --> 01:29:49.746
- [Newsreel Announcer]
They came from Los Angeles

2129
01:29:49.781 --> 01:29:51.044
and San Francisco.

2130
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:53.519
They came from
Cleveland, from Chicago.

2131
01:29:53.554 --> 01:29:55.180
They came from
Jackson, Mississippi,

2132
01:29:55.215 --> 01:29:57.556
from Birmingham, Alabama.

2133
01:29:57.591 --> 01:30:00.394
(crowd chanting)

2134
01:30:01.826 --> 01:30:03.727
♪ Smile, I'ma blow a
hole in your neck ♪

2135
01:30:03.762 --> 01:30:06.433
♪ And leave you standing there
looking stupid like Beck ♪

2136
01:30:06.468 --> 01:30:08.468
♪ Everybody jumps to
the Juggalo sound ♪

2137
01:30:08.503 --> 01:30:10.800
♪ Fuck outta here if you
ain't down with the clown ♪

2138
01:30:10.835 --> 01:30:13.066
♪ Everybody raised on
the East Side, rize ♪

2139
01:30:13.101 --> 01:30:15.607
♪ Everybody raised on
the West Side, rize ♪

2140
01:30:15.642 --> 01:30:17.873
♪ Everybody raised on
the North Side, rize ♪

2141
01:30:17.908 --> 01:30:19.039
♪ South Side, rize ♪

2142
01:30:19.074 --> 01:30:20.711
♪ Everybody, rize ♪

2143
01:30:20.746 --> 01:30:22.713
♪ Everybody raised on
the East Side, rize ♪

2144
01:30:22.748 --> 01:30:25.045
♪ Everybody raised on
the West Side, rize ♪

2145
01:30:25.080 --> 01:30:27.487
♪ Everybody raised on
the North Side, rize ♪

2146
01:30:27.522 --> 01:30:28.719
♪ South Side, rize ♪

2147
01:30:28.754 --> 01:30:31.458
♪ Everybody, rize ♪

2148
01:30:31.493 --> 01:30:34.593
- [Violent J] Discrimination.

2149
01:30:34.628 --> 01:30:35.495
Fuck that.

2150
01:30:40.161 --> 01:30:42.469
You're making history

2151
01:30:42.504 --> 01:30:44.900
and you know damn
well in your hearts,

2152
01:30:44.935 --> 01:30:47.969
we're the good guys here today.

2153
01:30:48.004 --> 01:30:51.170
I'm not gay, but I
would fuckin' march

2154
01:30:51.205 --> 01:30:53.205
for the right for two
gay people to marry

2155
01:30:53.240 --> 01:30:55.845
each other if they wanted.

2156
01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:59.519
In the eyes of Juggalos,
there's no such thing as a VIP.

2157
01:30:59.554 --> 01:31:01.587
We're all very important.

2158
01:31:05.153 --> 01:31:07.890
Let's march, motherfuckers!

2159
01:31:07.925 --> 01:31:10.695
♪ Calling the Juggalo a
gang banger, outrageous ♪

2160
01:31:10.730 --> 01:31:13.500
♪ Pulling ninjas over
whipping out gauges ♪

2161
01:31:13.535 --> 01:31:15.799
♪ And the judge slams
down the hammers ♪

2162
01:31:15.834 --> 01:31:18.604
♪ To the big house now
for you gang banger ♪

2163
01:31:18.639 --> 01:31:21.035
♪ If we let this be,
we'll be face to face ♪

2164
01:31:21.070 --> 01:31:23.807
♪ With one man as he
dictates the human race ♪

2165
01:31:23.842 --> 01:31:26.040
♪ Mr. FBI, Mr. Officer ♪

2166
01:31:26.075 --> 01:31:28.779
♪ Tell me why you want
me in coffin sir ♪

2167
01:31:28.814 --> 01:31:31.551
♪ Is it because we like to
hang out and be scrubs ♪

2168
01:31:31.586 --> 01:31:34.048
♪ Must be thugs out
here peddling drugs ♪

2169
01:31:34.083 --> 01:31:36.281
♪ Well let me tell ya,
all that meddling does ♪

2170
01:31:36.316 --> 01:31:39.526
♪ Is make us wanna leave
you embedded in slugs ♪

2171
01:31:39.561 --> 01:31:41.088
♪ Free speech motherfucker ♪

2172
01:31:41.123 --> 01:31:42.254
♪ You can hurt our name ♪

2173
01:31:42.289 --> 01:31:44.861
♪ You can't salt our game ♪

2174
01:31:44.896 --> 01:31:47.259
♪ Fuck you and your claim ♪

2175
01:31:47.294 --> 01:31:50.702
♪ We don't bang, we're family ♪

2176
01:31:50.737 --> 01:31:52.704
- [Violent J] I've got a
picture hanging in my studio,

2177
01:31:52.739 --> 01:31:54.838
holding my kid's
hands, marching.

2178
01:31:54.873 --> 01:31:56.202
That was like hands down,

2179
01:31:56.237 --> 01:31:59.106
probably the greatest
day of my life.

2180
01:31:59.141 --> 01:32:00.272
And there were people there

2181
01:32:00.307 --> 01:32:02.142
that aren't even Juggalos.

2182
01:32:02.177 --> 01:32:04.749
They were there because
they heard what was going on

2183
01:32:04.784 --> 01:32:06.586
and they knew it was bullshit.

2184
01:32:06.621 --> 01:32:07.950
- Straight up.

2185
01:32:07.985 --> 01:32:09.149
- And they were there
enough to march.

2186
01:32:09.184 --> 01:32:11.052
That was America, man.

2187
01:32:14.255 --> 01:32:17.091
- We asked the people
at the National Mall

2188
01:32:17.126 --> 01:32:19.665
since we have the day secured
and we have our stage set up,

2189
01:32:19.700 --> 01:32:21.733
could we perform there?

2190
01:32:21.768 --> 01:32:24.670
And they were like, sure,
as long as you don't swear

2191
01:32:24.705 --> 01:32:26.672
or throw any Faygo.

2192
01:32:26.707 --> 01:32:27.805
You know what I mean?

2193
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.840
And we're like, we got you.

2194
01:32:29.875 --> 01:32:32.579
♪ Cut a motherfucking
chicken up, what ♪

2195
01:32:32.614 --> 01:32:33.877
♪ Who's going chicken huntin' ♪

2196
01:32:33.912 --> 01:32:35.142
♪ We's goin' chicken huntin' ♪

2197
01:32:35.177 --> 01:32:36.649
♪ Who's going chicken huntin' ♪

2198
01:32:36.684 --> 01:32:38.013
♪ We's goin' chicken huntin' ♪

2199
01:32:38.048 --> 01:32:39.586
♪ Who's going chicken huntin' ♪

2200
01:32:39.621 --> 01:32:41.016
♪ We's goin' chicken huntin' ♪

2201
01:32:41.051 --> 01:32:44.217
♪ Cut a motherfucking
chicken up, what ♪

2202
01:32:44.252 --> 01:32:48.958
- [Violent J] Be proud, we
made motherfucking history!

2203
01:32:48.993 --> 01:32:49.860
Juggalos!

2204
01:32:56.363 --> 01:32:59.265
- There was a lot of press
coverage for that march.

2205
01:32:59.300 --> 01:33:01.168
And strongly in our favor.

2206
01:33:01.203 --> 01:33:02.906
Everybody pretty much agrees.

2207
01:33:02.941 --> 01:33:04.809
Everybody's like yes,
that's definitely

2208
01:33:04.844 --> 01:33:06.712
some bullshit right there.

2209
01:33:06.747 --> 01:33:09.077
The government stating
your fans are a gang

2210
01:33:09.112 --> 01:33:11.915
is undoubtedly bullshit.

2211
01:33:11.950 --> 01:33:14.621
But so is your music, you know.

2212
01:33:15.415 --> 01:33:17.217
That hasn't changed,

2213
01:33:17.252 --> 01:33:19.384
but that's another march.

2214
01:33:19.419 --> 01:33:21.155
- [Shaggy] Even though
technically we're
still on the list,

2215
01:33:21.190 --> 01:33:23.157
now the normal person
that hears about ICP

2216
01:33:23.192 --> 01:33:24.928
being linked with gang stuff.

2217
01:33:24.963 --> 01:33:26.831
To them, it's almost
laughable now.

2218
01:33:26.866 --> 01:33:29.262
It's like, come on these
kids are not gang members.

2219
01:33:29.297 --> 01:33:32.133
- [Violent J] We stood
up as far as we could.

2220
01:33:32.168 --> 01:33:34.003
And we said we're not a gang.

2221
01:33:34.038 --> 01:33:37.677
In our eyes, we feel
like we won that shit.

2222
01:33:37.712 --> 01:33:41.109
- [Michael] I think the
best evidence of the success

2223
01:33:41.144 --> 01:33:45.278
of the case is the complaints
that we've been receiving

2224
01:33:45.313 --> 01:33:48.215
about harassment by local police

2225
01:33:48.250 --> 01:33:50.822
have dwindled to almost none.

2226
01:33:54.157 --> 01:33:56.025
To express their appreciation,

2227
01:33:56.060 --> 01:33:59.127
I even got an invitation
to Hallowicked.

2228
01:33:59.162 --> 01:34:03.637
They invited us onstage to
spray Faygo on the crowd.

2229
01:34:05.234 --> 01:34:09.137
I put a clown mask on and
actually went out and did it.

2230
01:34:09.172 --> 01:34:13.911
But I got out quickly cause
I was getting really sticky.

2231
01:34:18.148 --> 01:34:21.116
- [Saura] This is a case that
could go to the Supreme Court.

2232
01:34:21.151 --> 01:34:22.249
This is a case that
is important enough

2233
01:34:22.284 --> 01:34:23.987
to go to the Supreme Court.

2234
01:34:24.022 --> 01:34:26.352
- If the government can
target a group of people

2235
01:34:26.387 --> 01:34:28.420
based on their musical taste,

2236
01:34:28.455 --> 01:34:30.730
they can target
of group of people

2237
01:34:30.765 --> 01:34:32.831
based on any reason at all.

2238
01:34:32.866 --> 01:34:34.096
- I work for an
insurance company.

2239
01:34:34.131 --> 01:34:35.130
- I'm a carpenter.

2240
01:34:35.165 --> 01:34:36.098
- A college graduate.

2241
01:34:36.133 --> 01:34:37.231
- An IT guy.

2242
01:34:37.266 --> 01:34:39.134
- A Juris Doctorate graduate.

2243
01:34:39.169 --> 01:34:41.169
- I help train soldiers,
federal first responders,

2244
01:34:41.204 --> 01:34:42.808
Department of Homeland Security.

2245
01:34:42.843 --> 01:34:45.712
- I wanna grow up
to be a teacher.

2246
01:34:45.747 --> 01:34:48.946
- The FBI designation
was unprecedented.

2247
01:34:48.981 --> 01:34:50.376
And it's a bad precedent.

2248
01:34:50.411 --> 01:34:51.278
- I'm a veteran.

2249
01:34:51.313 --> 01:34:53.181
- I'm a soldier.

2250
01:34:53.216 --> 01:34:54.985
- I'm vice president of the
Desert Storm War Memorial.

2251
01:34:55.020 --> 01:34:57.251
- I'm a Juggalo, also a father.

2252
01:34:57.286 --> 01:34:58.153
- I'm a brother.

2253
01:34:58.188 --> 01:34:59.792
- And a husband.

2254
01:34:59.827 --> 01:35:01.222
- [Michael] The First
Amendment guarantees

2255
01:35:01.257 --> 01:35:03.829
the right to freedom
of speech that serves

2256
01:35:03.864 --> 01:35:07.030
as the foundation for
all the other freedoms

2257
01:35:07.065 --> 01:35:08.735
we have in this country.

2258
01:35:08.770 --> 01:35:09.868
- And I'm not a gang member.

2259
01:35:09.903 --> 01:35:11.067
- Definitely not gang members.

2260
01:35:11.102 --> 01:35:12.233
- I am not a gang member.

2261
01:35:12.268 --> 01:35:13.498
- I am not a gang member.

2262
01:35:13.533 --> 01:35:15.742
- I am not a gang member.

2263
01:35:17.273 --> 01:35:18.844
- [Michael] Without
these freedoms,

2264
01:35:18.879 --> 01:35:21.946
we are not the United
States of America.

2265
01:35:23.543 --> 01:35:26.016
- [Violent J] We
got one more for ya.

2266
01:35:26.051 --> 01:35:29.250
We going out with a
motherfucking bang.

2267
01:35:32.387 --> 01:35:33.254
And a pow.

2268
01:35:39.097 --> 01:35:40.030
And a boom.

2269
01:35:43.497 --> 01:35:45.068
Come along!

2270
01:35:45.103 --> 01:35:48.137
♪ With a bang, say
goodbye to everything ♪

2271
01:35:48.172 --> 01:35:51.140
♪ Your complete annihilation
is the reason he came ♪

2272
01:35:51.175 --> 01:35:52.779
♪ And a pow ♪

2273
01:35:52.814 --> 01:35:54.440
♪ He's wiping everything out ♪

2274
01:35:54.475 --> 01:35:57.179
♪ Turn your whole fucking
world into a mushroom cloud ♪

2275
01:35:57.214 --> 01:35:58.851
♪ And a boom ♪

2276
01:35:58.886 --> 01:36:00.347
♪ It's your inevitable doom ♪

2277
01:36:00.382 --> 01:36:03.922
♪ Nobody escapes and
everybody's consumed ♪

2278
01:36:03.957 --> 01:36:06.386
♪ Welcome to the Dark
Carnival Supershow ♪

2279
01:36:06.421 --> 01:36:08.025
♪ You're our specially
invited guests ♪

2280
01:36:08.060 --> 01:36:10.060
♪ And I'll tell you what fo' ♪

2281
01:36:10.095 --> 01:36:12.865
♪ Cuz you're the
evilest pedophiles,
rapists and abusers ♪

2282
01:36:12.900 --> 01:36:15.934
♪ All together we've got
fifty thousand of you losers ♪

2283
01:36:15.969 --> 01:36:18.497
♪ You're all about to
witness an incredible sight ♪

2284
01:36:18.532 --> 01:36:20.400
♪ Nobody's ever lived
to tell about it ♪

2285
01:36:20.435 --> 01:36:22.237
♪ And don't think you might ♪

2286
01:36:22.272 --> 01:36:24.844
♪ It's about to rain
flames, frames and brains ♪

2287
01:36:24.879 --> 01:36:28.177
♪ To be blown into pieces
is the reason you came ♪

2288
01:36:28.212 --> 01:36:30.850
♪ Racists, bigots, wife-beaters,
judges and cowards ♪

2289
01:36:30.885 --> 01:36:33.952
♪ All crowded together,
expecting a show
and some dollars ♪

2290
01:36:33.987 --> 01:36:35.822
♪ But instead the shit
you're gonna see ♪

2291
01:36:35.857 --> 01:36:37.582
♪ You'll fear it in Hell ♪

2292
01:36:37.617 --> 01:36:40.156
♪ It's a constant explosion,
see and feel it you shall ♪

2293
01:36:40.191 --> 01:36:41.421
♪ With a bang ♪

2294
01:36:41.456 --> 01:36:43.324
♪ Say goodbye to everything ♪

2295
01:36:43.359 --> 01:36:46.096
♪ Your complete annihilation
is the reason he came ♪

2296
01:36:46.131 --> 01:36:47.493
♪ And a pow ♪

2297
01:36:47.528 --> 01:36:49.363
♪ He's wiping everything out ♪

2298
01:36:49.398 --> 01:36:52.135
♪ Turn your whole fucking
world into a mushroom cloud ♪

2299
01:36:52.170 --> 01:36:53.598
♪ And a boom ♪

2300
01:36:53.633 --> 01:36:55.303
♪ It's your inevitable doom ♪

2301
01:36:55.338 --> 01:36:58.603
♪ Nobody escapes and
everybody's consumed ♪

2302
01:36:58.638 --> 01:37:01.441
♪ In the deserts of Nevada,
where nothing else matter ♪

2303
01:37:01.476 --> 01:37:03.014
♪ It's the perfect
place for you ♪

2304
01:37:03.049 --> 01:37:04.345
♪ And your intestines
to splatter ♪

2305
01:37:04.380 --> 01:37:06.083
♪ And while bang, pow, boom ♪

2306
01:37:06.118 --> 01:37:07.546
♪ Steady stomps you all out ♪

2307
01:37:07.581 --> 01:37:10.582
♪ You in the hail for
the nuclear fallout ♪

2308
01:37:10.617 --> 01:37:12.518
♪ With the snakes and
fakes, creepy sneaks ♪

2309
01:37:12.553 --> 01:37:14.124
♪ Hoods and crooks,
horny freaks ♪

2310
01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:15.620
♪ Shady ladies, Evil Ernies ♪

2311
01:37:15.655 --> 01:37:17.556
♪ Richie Richs and
Charley Cheaps ♪

2312
01:37:17.591 --> 01:37:19.624
♪ Bang, pow, boom, they
say the show is the bomb ♪

2313
01:37:19.659 --> 01:37:21.263
♪ I heard it's
straight up explosive ♪

2314
01:37:21.298 --> 01:37:23.133
♪ Some even call it napalm ♪

2315
01:37:23.168 --> 01:37:24.563
♪ Nobody battles back,
this ain't no kind of war ♪

2316
01:37:24.598 --> 01:37:26.565
♪ It's a one-way execution ♪

2317
01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:29.007
♪ Blow you straight to
hell through the floor ♪

2318
01:37:29.042 --> 01:37:32.142
♪ What the fuck you think you
here for, sound the alarm ♪

2319
01:37:32.177 --> 01:37:33.979
♪ Ladies and gentlemen,
eat shit and die ♪

2320
01:37:34.014 --> 01:37:35.178
♪ Let's bring him on ♪

2321
01:37:35.213 --> 01:37:36.608
♪ With a bang ♪

2322
01:37:36.643 --> 01:37:38.511
♪ Say goodbye to everything ♪

2323
01:37:38.546 --> 01:37:41.217
♪ Your complete annihilation
is the reason he came ♪

2324
01:37:41.252 --> 01:37:42.647
♪ And a pow ♪

2325
01:37:42.682 --> 01:37:44.517
♪ He's wiping everything out ♪

2326
01:37:44.552 --> 01:37:47.520
♪ Turn your whole fucking
world into a mushroom cloud ♪

2327
01:37:47.555 --> 01:37:48.895
♪ And a boom ♪

2328
01:37:48.930 --> 01:37:50.523
♪ It's your inevitable doom ♪

2329
01:37:50.558 --> 01:37:53.394
♪ Nobody escapes and
everybody's consumed ♪

2330
01:37:53.429 --> 01:37:54.967
♪ The air is thick with sick ♪

2331
01:37:55.002 --> 01:37:57.134
♪ From demented
brains and thoughts ♪

2332
01:37:57.169 --> 01:37:59.301
♪ But here they are
all together, every
one of them caught ♪

2333
01:37:59.336 --> 01:38:02.502
♪ This is a celebration, in
that the Carnival's cheering ♪

2334
01:38:02.537 --> 01:38:05.505
♪ It's not too often bang, pow,
boom, makes and appearance ♪

2335
01:38:05.540 --> 01:38:08.475
♪ And the winds in the sky
will carry away all the ash ♪

2336
01:38:08.510 --> 01:38:11.676
♪ But for now let us enjoy
the big back-splash ♪

2337
01:38:11.711 --> 01:38:13.249
♪ With a bang ♪

2338
01:38:13.284 --> 01:38:15.152
♪ Say goodbye to everything ♪

2339
01:38:15.187 --> 01:38:17.649
♪ Your complete annihilation
is the reason he came ♪

2340
01:38:17.684 --> 01:38:19.255
♪ And a pow ♪

2341
01:38:19.290 --> 01:38:21.125
♪ He's wiping everything out ♪

2342
01:38:21.160 --> 01:38:23.996
♪ Turn your whole fucking
world into a mushroom cloud ♪

2343
01:38:24.031 --> 01:38:25.393
♪ And a boom ♪

2344
01:38:25.428 --> 01:38:27.098
♪ It's your inevitable doom ♪

2345
01:38:27.133 --> 01:38:30.200
♪ Nobody escapes and
everybody's consumed ♪

2346
01:38:30.235 --> 01:38:31.465
♪ With a bang ♪

2347
01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:33.368
♪ Say goodbye to everything ♪

2348
01:38:33.403 --> 01:38:36.140
♪ Your complete annihilation
is the reason he came ♪

2349
01:38:36.175 --> 01:38:37.537
♪ And a pow ♪

2350
01:38:37.572 --> 01:38:39.407
♪ He's wiping everything out ♪

2351
01:38:39.442 --> 01:38:42.344
♪ Turn your whole fucking
world into a mushroom cloud ♪

2352
01:38:42.379 --> 01:38:43.675
♪ And a boom ♪

2353
01:38:43.710 --> 01:38:45.413
♪ It's your inevitable doom ♪

2354
01:38:45.448 --> 01:38:50.319
♪ Nobody escapes and
everybody's consumed ♪

2355
01:38:52.686 --> 01:38:57.029
- [Violent J] We fuckin'
love you, Juggalos!

2356
01:38:57.064 --> 01:38:58.129
Whoop, whoop!

2357
01:39:01.299 --> 01:39:03.970
- I appreciate you guys coming
in and videotaping this.

2358
01:39:04.005 --> 01:39:05.598
Hopefully there'll be
a little truth come out

2359
01:39:05.633 --> 01:39:09.470
and not just the dipshittery
that we're known for.