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- A community off
northern Vancouver Island

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is at the center of
an eerie mystery.

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People in Alert Bay say
they've been hearing

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strange screams and howls
from the forest at night,

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and the legend of the
Sasquatch runs deep

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in their first nation's culture.

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As CTV's Gord Kurbis reports,

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some are now wondering if
those legends are real.

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[screaming]
[whooshing]

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- We heard it once, and I
didn't get the recording,

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and then second time,
I got the recording,

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and that's when it
was on the back porch.

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Very eerie.

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- [Gord] The audio was
recorded just recently

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on the back side of
Cormorant Island.

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It's been heard by many
all over the island.

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- This summer I've
heard it three times.

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I've heard it
scream three times,

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but it's been coming
here for years.

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- [Gord] Whatever's
been making the noise

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is heard primarily at night.

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[screaming]

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Some say it's a dog, but
others say, that's impossible.

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John Bindernagel makes his
way into a forested area

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on Cormorant Island,
looking for a creature

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many say doesn't exist.

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- It comes back to this question

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that comes up in other places.

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Not why is it here, or
how could it be here,

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but there is evidence
that it is here.

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- [Gord] The wildlife biologist

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is one of North America's best
known Sasquatch researchers.

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He's here because
many on the island

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in the community of
Alert Bay are seeing

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[screaming]

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and hearing something
they can't explain.

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- The vocalizations
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can't attribute to wolves,
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so it's in that area
of possible Sasquatch.

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- While the howls and
screams that have been heard

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throughout Alert Bay
could be dismissed

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as simply animal noises,
you have to keep in mind

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that Cormorant
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where there is no wildlife.

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There's no bears, no
cougars, not even any deer,

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and while you could
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there have been
plenty of sightings.

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- One person that seen it,
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and she came up to
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so she went up to the graveyard

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to pay respects to
one of her family,

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and when she went
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she seen it standing there.

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She turned around and she
got outta there right away.

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She didn't even go
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- [Gord] And a more recent
sighting when a group of teens

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were playing soccer near
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a large, upright
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alongside the building,
in just a few strides.

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- Yeah, they took
off right away.

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They don't even stay there
anymore after the dark.

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- The thing that's happening now

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is the dog's start
answering it, and it quits.

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- I think it's more
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and more conceivable
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that a Sasquatch could be here,

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could only be being observed
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a fleeting glimpse,
but which is living.

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Well, I could probably get
a record of its presence.

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- [Gord] That record,
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includes large footprints
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been photographed in different
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The creature has also
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in the first nation's culture
for years as Zunaquas.

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He knows there are many
skeptics, but he's confident

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one day, the mystery
will be solved.

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Gord Kurbis, CTV
News, Alert Bay.

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- [Reporter] Now, we only have
these still pictures for you.

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Japanese scientists
spotted it about nine miles

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east of Chichi Island
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They say it's up to 26
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which is the length of four
Kobe Bryants, or most--

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- [Narrator] Over hundreds
of years, the giant squid

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has been said to exist
by the men of the sea.

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At first, the mainstream
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attacked the notion
as a manifestation

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by the paranoid mind, a monster.

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However today, we know
this creature to exist

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because the mainstream
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found corroborated trace
evidence in whales.

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The Sasquatch has
been said to exist

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for over hundreds of years by
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This has been
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of eye witness accounts by
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and trace evidence has often
been plentiful, but why?

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Why does the mainstream
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still not acknowledge the
existence of this creature?

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- This is actually
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a fossil, that consists of
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and the teeth that it contained
of Gigantopithecus blacki.

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This is an inferred
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but Gigantopithecus has
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a sort of potential
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In short, it's the right
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at the right time to potentially

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have expanded its
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into North America,
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ancestral to Sasquatch.

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Its cranial proportions
actually are remarkably similar

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to those seen on the
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which provides us
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and compelling piece of
photographic evidence.

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- [Narrator] For
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people from all around the world

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have heard tales of encounters
with relic hominids.

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In other words, people
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have come across ape-like
men long forgotten

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or thought to have been
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In North America, the most
commonly known relic hominid

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is named Sasquatch or Bigfoot.

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- Well, in the mid 1930s,
a jawbone was found

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in a cave in China.

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And an anthropologist
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and he says, "This
is the jawbone of an
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Very large.

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And because of the way
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he said that it also
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meaning it walked upright,
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would've been eight
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They had teeth, had
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still in the lower jawbone.

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They found teeth, over
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they were grinding 'em up,
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and using 'em for medicine.

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Very interesting,
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was connected with
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That was the only
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between Vietnam,
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so these things were spread
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and the first one I
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half a million years,
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half a million years ago.

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The next one was like
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then down to 100,000.

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Every time they
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okay, it went extinct then.

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John Green once said, "Of all
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they have an amazing
similarity in their description

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of what they're seein',
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and what they're seeing."

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They describe this upright,
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- There was a huge
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- [Interviewer] Is that
the Gigantopithecus?

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- Yeah.

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About three or four jawbones,

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and hundreds of teeth in China.

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Lived til, let's say about
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There's nothing to say it
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- So now, we don't have to
make up a creature to fit it.

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We have one that we
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Hair samples have been found,
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They call him an
unclassified primate.

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They don't really have
anything to match him to.

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Well, about a year or so ago,

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DNA has finally
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they've been able to
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- This is all hair,
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- [Man] Can we take this
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- [Man] You betcha.

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- [Man] So we had
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said it was just
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but that doesn't
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it didn't come from Bigfoot,
a human-like creature.

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- It's got to get recognized
eventually but, from DNA.

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Now, they're getting
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that we would've considered
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Since this is possible,

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why on earth aren't
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that have been called
unknown primates,

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there's no classification
to put 'em to,

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I am hoping they will be able
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'Cause now we're 4,000 teeth
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of the first jawbone
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and I'm hoping one of
'em will be early enough

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to our time, that they'll
be able to get DNA from it.

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If they do, and they
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to the hair samples of
this unknown primate,

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then science will tell us
exactly what a Sasquatch was.

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They didn't go extinct.

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This is what people have
been saying for years.

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On the A&E Bigfoot
special, they mentioned

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that not even 1,000 years ago,

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when the first Norsemen
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they were writing about
these hair-covered creatures

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that would come out at night

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'cause they'd caught it,

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doing most of their
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were stealing salmon
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you could always tell
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they had this smell, they're
describing a Sasquatch.

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The natives along the
shoreline who can't even speak

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their language at the same time,

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in their folklore they're
writing about the same creature.

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I find that interesting
that not 1,000 years ago,

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two civilizations
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are talking about something
that could very well fit

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the Sasquatch, this hairy
upright, man-like creature.

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I find that very compelling.

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- [Interviewer] So you
believe it's a creature

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that hasn't actually
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co-existing with humanity
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probably even older
than humanity?

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- Yeah, that's right, because

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so many descriptions
where people

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have seen 'em in
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even police officers
in their spotlights

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have claimed to have seen
'em at night on patrols.

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They claim they have this
eye glow, this eye shine.

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I asked the late Grover Krantz,

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anthropologist from Washington.

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I asked the current
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from Idaho State
University, Jeff Meldrum,

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has man ever had
nocturnal capabilities?

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Would they have eye shine?

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And they said there's
nothing in the record

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to substantiate that
that ever happened.

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I put on a monkey suit,
my eyes are still human.

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They don't glow.

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The Sasquatch, the light
hits its eyes, they glow

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like a coyote, like a bear.

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- So in addition to their
size and their hairiness,

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there are a number
of other features

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that distinguish
Sasquatch from humans.

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If we just start at the
top and work our way

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right down the anatomy,
they have a cranial capacity

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it appears that would
be on par with that

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of a gorilla or chimpanzee,

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is appropriate for
the types of behaviors

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and the lack of an archeological
record that we see.

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They seem to be distinguished
by an extremely robust

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chewing apparatus, the
masticatory apparatus,

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which has frequently been
a point of divergence

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between hominid lineages.

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The grass owl versus the robust,

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referring to the
chewing apparatus.

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The jaws of the Sasquatch
are extremely deep,

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extremely heavy,
heavily muscled,

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so we the suggestion
in some descriptions

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of a peaked head, resulting
form sagittal crest,

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which is simply a
buttressing of bone

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that provides
additional surface area

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for the attachment
of very powerful
temporalis muscles here.

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And the large, high
cheekbones, flaring outward

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for the attachment of
the masseter muscles,

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the two principle
chewing muscles

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of the masticatory system.

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Also, along with that, we see
a lack of projecting canines,

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which, if we were envisioning
a Hollywood monster,

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like King Kong, a
giant gorilla-like ape,

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that's one of the hallmarks
of the large hominids,

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chimps, gorillas, orangs,
is these projecting canines,

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but these projecting
canines can provide

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a sort of interlocking
nature to the jaws,

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which prevents the
side to side motion

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that is usually
associated with dentition

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bearing extremely
thickly enameled teeth

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for heavy chewing.

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The type of dentition
you might expect

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for a large omnivorous primate

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in a temperate climate,
temperate forest.

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We work our way
down and we come to,

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well there's often
been the description

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of a lack of a neck,
or no visible neck.

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And that correlates
or that is associated

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with the very deep jaws.

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Where you have a
small brain case

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coupled with very
very deep jaws.

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The distance that is
traversed by those seven

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cervial vertebrae is
pretty much covered up by

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the very deep deep jaws.

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So there is a neck, of
course there's a neck,

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but it is obscured
anteriorly by the deep jaws

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and posteriorly by the
massive neck muscles

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that must counterbalance the
weight of that heavy face.

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Our skull, if I can
grab an example here

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is balanced quite nicely
over this foramen magnum

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because of our enlarged
cranial area for the brain

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and our reduced face, it's easy,

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sometimes my students
can master the art

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of falling asleep, and their
head balances quite nicely

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on that, poised on that spine.

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But for a gorilla, or any animal
that has much larger jaws,

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projecting lower face,
and not that the Sasquatch

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necessarily has
a projected face,

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but the deep jaws
are much heavier

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than this small cranial
space for the brain.

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And so it responds to
that to balance the head

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over the spine, there's
this area back here

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for the attachment
of neck muscles,

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neck and shoulder muscles,

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so just the trapezius.

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And when you look
at, for example,

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the subject on the
Patterson-Gimlin film,

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this trapezius forms this large,
almost cape-like structure

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that flutters out to
the broad shoulders.

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And so from behind there's
very little visible neck.

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We work our way down and
the Sasquatch, as I said,

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seems to be very massive,

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not only tall, but
the mature adults

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are very very broad and thick,

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probably to provide
capacity for a large gut,

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since their diet would
consist of a lot of roughage

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as well as probably meat,

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in that we think that
they're omnivorous.

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If we look at their hands,

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one of the
distinguishing features,

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which again, correlates
well with the lack

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of stone tools and
other material culture,

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is a relatively
non-opposed thumb.

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A divergent thumb, but one
that is not rotated 90 degrees

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to provide for the precision
opposition type of grip,

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which is critical for, not
only the manufacture of tools,

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but the manipulation of
fine tools, cutting blades,

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and so forth.

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Instead, their thumb faces
relatively in the same direction

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as the other digits,
and therefore,

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they lack, in their handprints,

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this developed fenar eminence.

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The musculature that is
involved in those movements

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of opposition.

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Which, when they're
atrophied in the human,

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are turned an ape-hand,
interestingly enough.

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Of course, my interest is
focused primarily on the feet

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and the footprints that
are left by those feet,

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and these point to other
distinguishing features

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that set this creature off
from the human condition.

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These footprints are not
merely enlarged facsimiles

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of the human footprint,

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which is characterized by a
distinctive longitudinal arch,

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which gives that footprint

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its distinctive
hourglass appearance.

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But instead, they're
very flat and flexible.

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They have retained a degree
of mid-foot flexibility

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through the transverse
tarsal joint

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that is a hallmark of
the anthropoid ape,

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the ape, grasp-climbing
adaptation,

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characterized by a large big toe

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that diverges from the others

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and can grasp a vertical
support, going up,

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sort of decoupling
the prehensile portion

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from the propulsive
portion of the foot.

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But this is also a
useful adaptation

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for negotiating steep
rugged broken mountainsides

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in a temperate
coniferous forest.

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So even with a lack of a
strongly divergent big toe,

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that flexibility then allows
for longer grasping digits

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and for the powerful propulsion,

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provided by the enlarged
and elongated heel bone

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that seem to be characteristic
of the Sasquatch foot.

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So, it's an elegant
adaptation for a large,

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heavy exo-morphic
bipedal primate

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that is traveling up and
down very steep and rugged

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mountainous terrain.

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If we return to the head region,

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we can look at some
of the special senses,

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and there does seem to be
evidence that Sasquatch

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are nocturnal.

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They're capable of
moving around at night.

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Now whether they
have night vision,

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whether they have a
reflecting membrane,

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the tapetum lucidum,
in their eye,

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which would be an
unusual sort of reversion

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to a more primitive
primate condition.

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Not out of the question,
but it could just simply be

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a matter of their
increased body size

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with eyes that have
scaled isometrically.

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So all those things
together, you know,

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the Sasquatch really
only resembles us

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in its habit of
standing on two legs.

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Beyond that, it differs
from the human condition

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in almost every aspect.

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- [Interviewer] And the other
things that people describe

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if they've seen one,

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I've heard people
describe that they have

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a certain smell or odor.

400
00:20:21,979 --> 00:20:23,429
- Sure.

401
00:20:23,463 --> 00:20:24,499
- [Interviewer] I know it's
silly, but it's something-

402
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- No, it's perfect naturally.

403
00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:30,159
The same thing applies to
other great apes and humans

404
00:20:30,194 --> 00:20:31,540
for that matter.

405
00:20:31,575 --> 00:20:35,924
If we didn't have
the hygiene practices

406
00:20:35,958 --> 00:20:40,480
that modern Western
people employ.

407
00:20:41,930 --> 00:20:44,795
- You're lookin' over about,
oh, almost 20 kilometers

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00:20:44,829 --> 00:20:48,177
up Harrison lake, at the
20 mile point actually.

409
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That is Long Island
out there in the lake,

410
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the west side, and if you
look up towards, you can see

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the entrance to the Silver
River Estuary right there.

412
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It's a little obscured
by the clouds now,

413
00:20:58,222 --> 00:20:59,706
but you would see
Mount Breakenridge,

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which is a dormant
volcano here on the lake,

415
00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:04,470
and beyond that Stokke Creek,

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where that famous incident
occurred in the 1970s.

417
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Harrison Lake is
about 40 miles long.

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00:21:10,752 --> 00:21:13,375
It's about three miles
wide at its widest point,

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it's extremely deep.

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And of course, it's
smack dab in the middle

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of the heart of
where the Sasquatch

422
00:21:20,658 --> 00:21:23,523
and the Sasquatch
legend really was born,

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and is continued to this day.

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- Well there seems to be a very
good ecological correlation

425
00:21:28,666 --> 00:21:31,566
between credible
Sasquatch reports

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00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,396
and habitat type and rainfall.

427
00:21:34,431 --> 00:21:39,436
If you look at a clinal
map showing 18 plus inches

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of annual precipitation,
that pretty much encompasses

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00:21:43,819 --> 00:21:48,790
all of the habitat that we find
credible Sasquatch reports.

430
00:21:50,378 --> 00:21:54,692
British Columbia has
that nature of habitat,

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00:21:54,727 --> 00:21:56,211
moist, wet forest.

432
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In fact, the west coast
of British Columbia

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and even inland at
the continental divide

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00:22:05,185 --> 00:22:07,360
boasts some of the largest
temperate rain forests

435
00:22:07,395 --> 00:22:08,327
on the continent.

436
00:22:09,707 --> 00:22:12,814
It's my personal opinion that
the temperate rain forests

437
00:22:12,848 --> 00:22:16,335
were the initial core
habitat of this creature,

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00:22:18,613 --> 00:22:22,168
and they have since
spread out to occupy

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00:22:22,202 --> 00:22:26,103
much more diverse habitats,
much like the black bear.

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In fact, if you look at
the range of distribution

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00:22:29,451 --> 00:22:31,764
of the black bear
in North America,

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00:22:31,798 --> 00:22:33,835
it's remarkably similar
to what we think

443
00:22:33,869 --> 00:22:37,217
is a reasonable range
distribution for Sasquatch.

444
00:22:37,252 --> 00:22:42,257
But if we look at the habitat
across British Columbia,

445
00:22:43,672 --> 00:22:45,709
there are vast areas with
very little human population

446
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that almost certainly
harbor Sasquatch.

447
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- [Narrator] In the '80s,
could researcher Grover Krantz

448
00:22:52,992 --> 00:22:55,684
have set the stage for
the most credible evidence

449
00:22:55,719 --> 00:22:56,996
in regards to this study?

450
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- [Jack] To your right,
my left, Grover Krantz,

451
00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:02,898
again, for our viewers,
professor of anthropology

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at Washington State University,
author on this subject.

453
00:23:07,455 --> 00:23:10,112
Tell our viewers,
what has convinced you

454
00:23:10,147 --> 00:23:12,598
that yes, there is a Bigfoot?

455
00:23:12,632 --> 00:23:14,427
- Well the first thing
that convinced me

456
00:23:14,462 --> 00:23:17,672
was back in 1970 when
I saw and studied

457
00:23:17,706 --> 00:23:20,295
a pair of footprint casts

458
00:23:20,329 --> 00:23:23,781
from up in the northeastern
corner of Washington,

459
00:23:23,816 --> 00:23:26,370
and this was one we refer
to now as cripple foot,

460
00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:28,441
the right foot
was badly crippled

461
00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:32,065
and I tried to reconstruct
the likely bone structure.

462
00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,965
At the time, I didn't think
it was very likely even real,

463
00:23:34,999 --> 00:23:36,380
but when I reconstructed it,

464
00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:38,486
I found out it was
exactly the kind of design

465
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,454
that would be necessary for
an eight foot tall creature

466
00:23:41,489 --> 00:23:44,250
with an otherwise
human body design,

467
00:23:44,284 --> 00:23:46,735
and I figured nobody
could've figured this out.

468
00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:48,496
- [Jack] And this,
you say it's the casts

469
00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:50,187
that have convinced you?

470
00:23:50,221 --> 00:23:52,258
- Yes, not just
that they are casts,

471
00:23:52,292 --> 00:23:54,467
but in some of them I
can see some details

472
00:23:54,502 --> 00:23:57,366
of anatomy that I
figured nobody else

473
00:23:57,401 --> 00:23:59,576
could've plotted from nothing.

474
00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:02,475
I see them in the
footprints and I figure,

475
00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:04,063
if somebody faked those,
he had to know more

476
00:24:04,097 --> 00:24:05,478
about human anatomy than I do,

477
00:24:05,513 --> 00:24:08,032
and a more inventive
mind than mine,

478
00:24:08,067 --> 00:24:10,034
and I don't think there
is anybody like that.

479
00:24:10,069 --> 00:24:11,415
- Bossburg Cripple Foot.

480
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,279
It still remains one of
the most interesting,

481
00:24:13,313 --> 00:24:14,832
I think, one of the
most interesting cases.

482
00:24:14,867 --> 00:24:17,421
So here's a pair of
tracks that were cast

483
00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:20,735
in Bossburg, Washington,
up near the Canadian border

484
00:24:20,769 --> 00:24:22,771
in northeastern
Washington state.

485
00:24:22,806 --> 00:24:26,775
This foot's quite normal, a
normal, healthy Sasquatch,

486
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:27,811
let's put it that way.

487
00:24:27,845 --> 00:24:29,260
[laughs]

488
00:24:29,295 --> 00:24:32,505
But this one shows some
remarkable pathologies to it.

489
00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:35,474
It was either the result
of a crushing injury

490
00:24:35,508 --> 00:24:38,960
in adulthood, or
it could've been

491
00:24:38,994 --> 00:24:43,999
a neuropathy, a spinal
cord lesion, say,

492
00:24:45,173 --> 00:24:47,244
that caused damage
down the nerves

493
00:24:47,278 --> 00:24:49,798
to the distal features,
and then caused

494
00:24:49,833 --> 00:24:54,078
the soft tissues to pull the
foot into a contorted posture.

495
00:24:54,113 --> 00:24:57,012
You can see the toes are
pushed out of alignment,

496
00:24:57,047 --> 00:24:58,566
and bent off at odd angles.

497
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,740
The third toe's
probably just simply

498
00:25:00,775 --> 00:25:03,329
pushed up out of alignment
with the other toes

499
00:25:03,363 --> 00:25:05,124
so that it doesn't
leave an imprint,

500
00:25:05,158 --> 00:25:08,714
but really telling here are
these two bulges on this side.

501
00:25:08,748 --> 00:25:12,580
Now the position of these
bulges, in a modern human,

502
00:25:12,614 --> 00:25:16,515
would be way back here
on a foot of this length,

503
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:21,105
because we have a
disproportionately
shorter calcaneus.

504
00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:22,900
The greatly elongated calcaneus

505
00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:25,524
for greater leverage
of massive weight,

506
00:25:25,558 --> 00:25:27,491
corresponding to the massive
weight of this creature,

507
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:30,839
displaces these
landmarks more distally

508
00:25:30,874 --> 00:25:32,531
or further down the foot.

509
00:25:32,565 --> 00:25:37,328
The possibility,
or the probability,
let's put it that way.

510
00:25:37,363 --> 00:25:40,228
The probability that a
hoaxer would stumble on

511
00:25:40,262 --> 00:25:45,267
a representation
of this pathology,

512
00:25:46,475 --> 00:25:49,271
which, to an orthopedic
surgeon or a podiatrist,

513
00:25:49,306 --> 00:25:51,135
seems quite natural.

514
00:25:51,170 --> 00:25:56,175
For someone to have,
in 1972 especially,

515
00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:00,248
to have concocted something
that was so convincing

516
00:26:00,282 --> 00:26:04,148
and to have incorporated
this particular pathology

517
00:26:05,218 --> 00:26:09,637
in a divergent location,
or an anomalous,

518
00:26:09,671 --> 00:26:12,605
let's put it that way,
an anomalous location

519
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,402
vis-a-vis a human foot, but
in precisely the right place

520
00:26:16,436 --> 00:26:21,165
for it to correspond with
the position of that joint

521
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,445
in other examples of
mid-foot flexibility,

522
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000
it just defies imagination.

523
00:26:28,034 --> 00:26:30,796
- [Jack] What is the name
of the famous videotape

524
00:26:31,969 --> 00:26:33,730
that our viewers
are about to see?

525
00:26:33,764 --> 00:26:35,248
- Okay, that's
sometimes referred to as

526
00:26:35,283 --> 00:26:36,974
the Patterson-Gimlin film.

527
00:26:37,009 --> 00:26:38,458
- [Jack] The Patterson film.

528
00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:41,634
And I would ask staff
there to please roll this,

529
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:43,774
and if you would
narrate for our viewers,

530
00:26:43,809 --> 00:26:45,569
and tell us, what
are we about to see?

531
00:26:45,604 --> 00:26:47,053
What is this video?

532
00:26:47,088 --> 00:26:48,296
- [Grover] There's an animal
walking through the forest

533
00:26:48,330 --> 00:26:50,643
at this slightly advanced speed.

534
00:26:50,678 --> 00:26:52,127
- [Jack] What forest, where?

535
00:26:52,162 --> 00:26:54,543
- [Grover] In northwestern
California, Bluff Creek.

536
00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:58,168
- You're talking about the
Roger Patterson film of 1967.

537
00:26:59,376 --> 00:27:01,827
Documentaries talk about
that film all the time,

538
00:27:01,861 --> 00:27:05,485
but they terribly mistake
the evidence as it happened.

539
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,488
They were down there
for nearly three weeks,

540
00:27:08,523 --> 00:27:12,147
as it's been told, and
hadn't found any prints,

541
00:27:12,182 --> 00:27:17,083
and one morning, Bob and
Roger went up into Bluff Creek

542
00:27:17,118 --> 00:27:18,291
where they'd been before,

543
00:27:18,326 --> 00:27:19,568
and they've been
all over the place.

544
00:27:19,603 --> 00:27:22,261
They had to say, "Where
are we gonna go today?"

545
00:27:22,295 --> 00:27:23,849
They decided to go
up into Bluff Creek

546
00:27:23,883 --> 00:27:25,402
and that's when they
rounded that bend

547
00:27:25,436 --> 00:27:27,680
up in Bluff Creek
on the sandbar.

548
00:27:27,715 --> 00:27:31,546
There was a downfall tree,
the tree had a root system

549
00:27:31,580 --> 00:27:32,789
that was standing
there, probably eight,

550
00:27:32,823 --> 00:27:35,515
nine feet high as
Bob describes it.

551
00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:38,242
Roger was just ahead
of him on his horse.

552
00:27:38,277 --> 00:27:40,486
Bob's pullin' the pack
horse, and he's on his horse,

553
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,177
but he's got a
much bigger horse.

554
00:27:42,212 --> 00:27:44,110
Roger rode a little
horse, I always tease

555
00:27:44,145 --> 00:27:46,112
and say the size
of a great dane.

556
00:27:46,147 --> 00:27:48,080
Roger was a little guy.

557
00:27:48,114 --> 00:27:49,840
So anyway, Roger rounds the bend

558
00:27:49,875 --> 00:27:52,429
and when he does,
his horse goes crazy,

559
00:27:52,463 --> 00:27:55,052
and Roger notices
off by the creek

560
00:27:55,087 --> 00:27:58,124
there's a creature squatted
there, covered with hair.

561
00:27:59,539 --> 00:28:02,301
He pulls his horse down,
tries to control it.

562
00:28:02,335 --> 00:28:05,235
He gets off of it, he gets his
foot hung up in the stirrup,

563
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:07,824
frees himself, and he had
his camera in the saddle bag

564
00:28:07,858 --> 00:28:09,860
in case they saw tracks.

565
00:28:09,895 --> 00:28:11,690
He grabs the camera,
it's one of those old

566
00:28:11,724 --> 00:28:15,003
hand-wound cameras, and he
takes off running for it

567
00:28:15,038 --> 00:28:16,625
and tells Bob to cover him.

568
00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:19,352
The creature, by then, when
Bob come around and seen it,

569
00:28:19,387 --> 00:28:21,389
when all this is going
on with Roger's horse,

570
00:28:21,423 --> 00:28:22,873
it was standing.

571
00:28:22,908 --> 00:28:24,944
What had happened, Roger
Patterson had an interest

572
00:28:24,979 --> 00:28:28,016
in the Sasquatch for
about seven years or more.

573
00:28:28,051 --> 00:28:31,295
He'd been out looking for
evidence, looking for tracks,

574
00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:35,714
and gathering reports, and
then in the summer of 1967,

575
00:28:37,543 --> 00:28:39,234
on Onion Mountain,
there were some tracks

576
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:40,511
that had been found.

577
00:28:40,546 --> 00:28:42,755
They were building roads
at that time up through,

578
00:28:42,790 --> 00:28:45,482
making a highway north
up through Bluff Creek

579
00:28:45,516 --> 00:28:48,312
and on up the west coast.

580
00:28:49,486 --> 00:28:53,904
So John Green went down
to see these tracks.

581
00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:56,320
John Green's a local
man, lived here,

582
00:28:57,736 --> 00:29:00,117
and when he got there,
the tracks had pretty much

583
00:29:00,152 --> 00:29:01,532
been back bladed, and
there was only a few left.

584
00:29:01,567 --> 00:29:04,156
Well, by the next
morning, when John got up

585
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:06,641
very early in the
morning, the phone rang,

586
00:29:06,675 --> 00:29:09,782
and John says, obviously
on a radio phone,

587
00:29:09,817 --> 00:29:11,991
the guy called and says, "What
you're lookin' for is here."

588
00:29:12,026 --> 00:29:12,992
That's all he said.

589
00:29:14,442 --> 00:29:17,790
John got a hold of the Sun
newspaper in Vancouver.

590
00:29:17,825 --> 00:29:20,551
They put up $500
to pay for a plane

591
00:29:20,586 --> 00:29:22,415
and a pilot to fly 'em down.

592
00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:24,072
John got a hold of Dale Moffat,

593
00:29:24,107 --> 00:29:27,179
and he brought a tracking
dog named White Lady.

594
00:29:27,213 --> 00:29:28,836
They all loaded on
that small Cessna.

595
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:33,702
A guy by the name of Keith
Chazzari was the pilot.

596
00:29:33,737 --> 00:29:35,877
Keith I spoke to
about a year ago,

597
00:29:35,912 --> 00:29:39,053
and after all these years,
you should've heard him.

598
00:29:39,087 --> 00:29:42,470
He says that it was
amazing the way the dog,

599
00:29:42,504 --> 00:29:44,368
they put him on the
scent of the track

600
00:29:44,403 --> 00:29:47,061
where they would still
see him just before dark.

601
00:29:47,095 --> 00:29:50,996
He said, "Bill, the hair
literally stood up on its back.

602
00:29:51,030 --> 00:29:52,721
That dog went into high alert.

603
00:29:52,756 --> 00:29:56,691
"here was somethin' about
those tracks it did not like."

604
00:29:56,725 --> 00:29:59,832
There was over 1,000 tracks
had been reported there.

605
00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:02,939
They counted, I think,
560 or 70 tracks

606
00:30:02,973 --> 00:30:04,147
that were still left.

607
00:30:04,181 --> 00:30:06,218
Other people had been
there to see him,

608
00:30:06,252 --> 00:30:10,187
some had run over
'em, stepped on 'em,

609
00:30:10,222 --> 00:30:13,052
but these tracks went on
for over a mile or so.

610
00:30:13,087 --> 00:30:15,296
It went off the
road, into the bush,

611
00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:18,368
up and down a few inclines,
through bushwhacking,

612
00:30:18,402 --> 00:30:19,921
back out onto the road again,

613
00:30:19,956 --> 00:30:21,750
and there were actually
two sets of tracks

614
00:30:21,785 --> 00:30:24,857
that I've seen in the
pictures, 15 and 13 inch.

615
00:30:24,892 --> 00:30:26,376
They didn't know if
they were together,

616
00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:29,655
but they did cross paths a few
times going back and forth.

617
00:30:29,689 --> 00:30:32,520
Then at some point, John Green,
who knew Roger Patterson,

618
00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:36,144
a lot of the guys knew each
other in this little circle,

619
00:30:36,179 --> 00:30:38,802
he called Roger Patterson's
house when he was in town,

620
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:43,807
and he told him, or he left a
message with Mrs. Patterson,

621
00:30:43,842 --> 00:30:48,812
Patricia, that, let Roger know
there are tracks down here,

622
00:30:50,227 --> 00:30:51,608
'cause at that time Roger's
away over at Mount Saint Helen's

623
00:30:51,642 --> 00:30:53,541
with Bob Gimlin
on an expedition.

624
00:30:54,956 --> 00:30:56,889
"There's tracks down here,
we know he's wanting to shoot

625
00:30:56,924 --> 00:30:58,166
a little amateur
documentary of him

626
00:30:58,201 --> 00:30:59,892
with the Sasquatch hunter,

627
00:30:59,927 --> 00:31:02,274
he was hoping to see
some tracks to film.

628
00:31:02,308 --> 00:31:05,104
Tell him, good tracks,
pristine, nice lookin' tracks.

629
00:31:05,139 --> 00:31:06,761
Come on down."

630
00:31:06,795 --> 00:31:08,728
It took about two or
three weeks before Gimlin

631
00:31:08,763 --> 00:31:11,248
got around to actually
being able to leave.

632
00:31:12,836 --> 00:31:15,597
Him and Roger took
off for Bluff Creek.

633
00:31:15,632 --> 00:31:16,805
By the time they got down there,

634
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,463
Bob's told me that,
"When we got down there,

635
00:31:19,498 --> 00:31:23,122
you could see where the tracks
had been, a lot of 'em,"

636
00:31:23,157 --> 00:31:24,641
but he says because
of the rains,

637
00:31:24,675 --> 00:31:26,436
and they were in dust and dirt,

638
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:28,990
loose dirt had
kinda washed 'em out

639
00:31:29,025 --> 00:31:30,405
and took a lot of
the definition out.

640
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,304
You could tell they
were footprints,

641
00:31:32,338 --> 00:31:34,651
but they weren't really
the nice pristine tracks

642
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:36,480
like John Green had described.

643
00:31:42,624 --> 00:31:44,764
A few years ago,

644
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,906
oh, I got people claiming
to be involved in this film

645
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:50,322
as a hoax, and it's
so disappointing

646
00:31:50,356 --> 00:31:54,326
that the news media
is willing to welcome

647
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,018
somebody claiming a hoax
without investigation,

648
00:31:57,053 --> 00:31:59,883
without question, and
this is what happened

649
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,505
when Ray Wallace died.

650
00:32:02,679 --> 00:32:04,094
Ray Wallace had a
construction company

651
00:32:04,129 --> 00:32:05,924
down in Bluff Creek
many years ago,

652
00:32:05,958 --> 00:32:07,960
and by the time the
Patterson film was shot,

653
00:32:07,995 --> 00:32:12,102
he'd moved his operation
back to Washington.

654
00:32:12,137 --> 00:32:14,898
But yet, every time
footprints show up,

655
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,727
they wanted to blame
old Ray had a pair

656
00:32:16,762 --> 00:32:18,937
of wooden carvings here.

657
00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:21,974
- If Sasquatch does not exist,

658
00:32:22,009 --> 00:32:26,565
as the skeptics and critics
would assert, would maintain,

659
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,154
then all of the footprint
evidence out there

660
00:32:29,188 --> 00:32:30,845
has been hoaxed.

661
00:32:30,879 --> 00:32:34,124
And of course we know
of one individual

662
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:38,163
whose family
claimed that indeed,

663
00:32:38,197 --> 00:32:41,787
he had hoaxed all
of the footprints

664
00:32:41,821 --> 00:32:44,410
in the west United
States over the years

665
00:32:44,445 --> 00:32:47,379
by fabricating these
carved wooden feet

666
00:32:47,413 --> 00:32:52,418
that were strapped to boots
and worn by his brother,

667
00:32:53,592 --> 00:32:55,732
and cousins, and
nephews, and so forth,

668
00:32:55,766 --> 00:32:59,011
to traipse around the
pacific northwest,

669
00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:00,150
and west United States.

670
00:33:01,358 --> 00:33:02,359
Where to begin.

671
00:33:04,879 --> 00:33:08,055
What was most
dismaying was the speed

672
00:33:08,089 --> 00:33:11,955
with which the media
grabbed onto this

673
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:14,716
as the explanation.

674
00:33:14,751 --> 00:33:16,891
Finally the mystery was solved,

675
00:33:16,925 --> 00:33:19,066
the mystery of Bigfoot
had been accounted for

676
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:21,689
by these ridiculously crude,

677
00:33:21,723 --> 00:33:25,796
and non-anatomical
carved wooden feet.

678
00:33:25,831 --> 00:33:30,836
With no prerequisite
that they account for

679
00:33:31,975 --> 00:33:35,668
how these were used,
really practically used,

680
00:33:35,703 --> 00:33:38,395
in creating not only
individual footprints

681
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:41,502
but long lines of tracks
that, in some instances,

682
00:33:41,536 --> 00:33:44,125
were followed by
investigators for miles.

683
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,127
- So you got Dan
Rather with CBS,

684
00:33:46,162 --> 00:33:49,510
you got Fox news, you
got MSNBC going on,

685
00:33:49,544 --> 00:33:52,133
"The mystery of Bigfoot
has been solved.

686
00:33:52,168 --> 00:33:55,723
It was Ray Wallace, according
to the Ray Wallace family."

687
00:33:55,757 --> 00:33:58,243
I thought, wow, so let's
take a look at that.

688
00:33:58,277 --> 00:34:00,486
They didn't, so
what I did was I got

689
00:34:00,521 --> 00:34:02,730
Ray Wallace's
carving, and I took,

690
00:34:02,764 --> 00:34:04,559
despite the fact
that many of these

691
00:34:04,594 --> 00:34:06,527
were different lengths
than the carving,

692
00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:08,494
different widths
than the carving,

693
00:34:08,529 --> 00:34:09,702
I made 'em all the same length

694
00:34:09,737 --> 00:34:11,911
and made 'em all the same width,

695
00:34:11,946 --> 00:34:14,811
and I can tell ya, a five
year old, a beginner,

696
00:34:14,845 --> 00:34:16,882
if you'd have just
made the comparison,

697
00:34:16,916 --> 00:34:18,642
you could see that
this wood carving

698
00:34:18,677 --> 00:34:21,093
and it's toe line, could
not have made that.

699
00:34:21,128 --> 00:34:23,578
But yet, these news channels,

700
00:34:23,613 --> 00:34:26,512
'cause Ray never
tried to fool anybody,

701
00:34:26,547 --> 00:34:30,275
yet skeptics, when you see
the tracks along the road,

702
00:34:30,309 --> 00:34:32,208
they left this flat appearance.

703
00:34:33,278 --> 00:34:36,384
Flat, flat, flat.

704
00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:39,318
Well, where's the recesses?

705
00:34:39,353 --> 00:34:41,320
This is in fine dust and dirt.

706
00:34:41,355 --> 00:34:43,391
It left flat tracks.

707
00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:44,910
Where Green and
everybody stepped

708
00:34:44,944 --> 00:34:47,740
with their logging boots,
their regular shoes,

709
00:34:47,775 --> 00:34:50,157
their tennis shoes,
you can see the imprint

710
00:34:50,191 --> 00:34:52,400
of every sole pattern.

711
00:34:52,435 --> 00:34:54,851
This here would've left
like a sponge print

712
00:34:54,885 --> 00:34:56,094
in that fine dirt.

713
00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:57,992
It would not have left a flat,

714
00:34:58,026 --> 00:35:00,926
which a pad does when you step
all that weight down on it.

715
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,307
It would not have been flat,

716
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,999
and all of a sudden
now they gotta think,

717
00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:09,141
"Oh gosh, we were so certain
that Ray Wallace made these."

718
00:35:09,176 --> 00:35:11,592
The transfer of evidence
from this pattern

719
00:35:11,626 --> 00:35:14,871
on the bottom of this foot,
which they call a stomper,

720
00:35:14,905 --> 00:35:17,115
could not have made this track.

721
00:35:17,149 --> 00:35:20,601
- The claimant who seems
to get the most attention

722
00:35:20,635 --> 00:35:23,259
on this point is Bob Hieronimus,

723
00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:25,606
who claimed to be the
man in the first suit.

724
00:35:27,055 --> 00:35:29,817
The problem with this, the
most glaring problem is,

725
00:35:29,851 --> 00:35:34,753
as he joined forces
with Philip Morris,

726
00:35:34,787 --> 00:35:37,307
a famous costume designer,

727
00:35:37,342 --> 00:35:41,277
the two apparently didn't
confer sufficiently

728
00:35:41,311 --> 00:35:43,141
before sharing their stories,

729
00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:47,179
because they didn't get them
straight, they contradict.

730
00:35:47,214 --> 00:35:50,148
Bob Hieronimus gave a
description of the costume

731
00:35:50,182 --> 00:35:55,049
that was diametrically
opposed to the description

732
00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:57,155
of the costume provided
by Philip Morris.

733
00:35:58,432 --> 00:36:00,641
Hieronimus describes a
costume that was made

734
00:36:00,675 --> 00:36:04,196
out of a green horse
hide, and talked about it

735
00:36:04,231 --> 00:36:07,475
being in two principal pieces,

736
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:11,030
one that came over the
top, like pajama tops

737
00:36:11,065 --> 00:36:13,757
but without any
buttons or enclosures,

738
00:36:13,792 --> 00:36:16,864
just a piece that was
probably stitched up the back,

739
00:36:16,898 --> 00:36:19,246
and a pair of stiff
trousers that he wore.

740
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,834
Of course, and he had
football pads he claimed

741
00:36:21,869 --> 00:36:25,148
and other padding to
bulk him out a bit,

742
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:30,188
and then a football helmet
that had a fake face

743
00:36:31,534 --> 00:36:34,226
built out around it,
with a single eye opening

744
00:36:34,261 --> 00:36:36,849
because Bob has one glass eye.

745
00:36:36,884 --> 00:36:40,405
They used his spare glass eye
in the face of the costume

746
00:36:40,439 --> 00:36:44,236
in order to catch the glint
of the sun, he claimed.

747
00:36:44,271 --> 00:36:48,033
Now, imagine walking in
this unwieldy costume

748
00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:51,795
with a single port of vision,

749
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:55,489
which he claims was a good
two inches away from his eye,

750
00:36:55,523 --> 00:36:58,630
so put a little toilet paper
roll up against your eye,

751
00:36:58,664 --> 00:37:00,597
and then go out there,
close the other,

752
00:37:00,632 --> 00:37:05,257
and try to walk on an
uneven, irregular surface.

753
00:37:05,292 --> 00:37:07,501
But if that wasn't
enough, then Philip Morris

754
00:37:07,535 --> 00:37:10,055
claimed that Roger
had simply purchased

755
00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:13,921
and then modified one of
his off the shelf costumes.

756
00:37:18,822 --> 00:37:20,030
- These are the beginning,

757
00:37:20,065 --> 00:37:22,240
these are the cibachrome
images they call 'em,

758
00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:24,932
they're the best images
of the film itself.

759
00:37:24,966 --> 00:37:28,107
Here you can see the toes
on the bottom of the animal.

760
00:37:28,142 --> 00:37:29,454
It's in motion.

761
00:37:29,488 --> 00:37:31,525
This foot's a little blurred,

762
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,320
and here's, at the
end of the stride,

763
00:37:33,354 --> 00:37:35,736
this is one of the things I
always point out to people,

764
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:38,670
notice how the foot is
vertical to the ground.

765
00:37:38,704 --> 00:37:40,982
Look down here, the foot
is hardly off the ground,

766
00:37:41,017 --> 00:37:43,019
it's already vertical
to the ground.

767
00:37:43,053 --> 00:37:45,297
When people walk, and
I explain this to folks

768
00:37:45,332 --> 00:37:47,575
that come out,
even the skeptics,

769
00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:49,439
and I tell 'em, listen,
when people walk,

770
00:37:49,474 --> 00:37:52,097
their feet barely come 15
degrees off the ground,

771
00:37:52,131 --> 00:37:53,581
it's like a pendulum.

772
00:37:53,616 --> 00:37:56,274
They don't lift their feet
vertical, high and vertical.

773
00:37:56,308 --> 00:37:57,551
I said if you
wanna try doing it,

774
00:37:57,585 --> 00:37:59,725
it's hard enough
to stand that way,

775
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,313
but if you try walking that way,

776
00:38:01,348 --> 00:38:03,246
and as far as I
know, no one has ever

777
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,283
been able to duplicate that.

778
00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:07,906
Our bone structure
just does not allow it.

779
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:11,634
- When you have a foot that
has a longitudinal arch

780
00:38:11,668 --> 00:38:14,706
as in the human,
then the entire foot

781
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:16,949
is incorporated into the lever,

782
00:38:18,123 --> 00:38:22,817
and that imposes bending
stresses on the toes.

783
00:38:23,991 --> 00:38:26,304
So the human toes have
gotten much shorter.

784
00:38:26,338 --> 00:38:29,721
They are there not so
much for prehension

785
00:38:29,755 --> 00:38:31,447
as for traction.

786
00:38:31,481 --> 00:38:34,484
They prevent the foot
from slipping back

787
00:38:34,519 --> 00:38:36,210
when we're walking and running,

788
00:38:36,244 --> 00:38:37,694
and especially the big toe.

789
00:38:37,729 --> 00:38:41,180
If we have a foot that has
a mid-foot flexibility,

790
00:38:41,215 --> 00:38:44,805
then when the heel
comes up, like this,

791
00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:47,842
the weight's not concentrated
under the ball of the foot,

792
00:38:47,877 --> 00:38:50,362
instead it's under
the entire mid-foot.

793
00:38:50,397 --> 00:38:53,745
- The biomechanical foot, and
there's anthropology studies

794
00:38:53,779 --> 00:38:56,575
in scientific journals
that talk about this.

795
00:38:56,610 --> 00:38:59,233
When the foot is in
motion, it flexes.

796
00:38:59,267 --> 00:39:00,752
There are things
that take place,

797
00:39:00,786 --> 00:39:04,307
and these toes, for instance,
when you go to bend your foot,

798
00:39:04,342 --> 00:39:07,103
that Sasquatch has what
we call a midtarsal break.

799
00:39:08,622 --> 00:39:12,039
[eerie percussive music]

800
00:39:39,515 --> 00:39:41,724
The ankle's back here
and right in front of it

801
00:39:41,758 --> 00:39:43,898
is actually where
it bends its foot.

802
00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:47,695
You can see it in the film,
you see it in the footprints.

803
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:48,972
The ball of the foot was deeper

804
00:39:49,007 --> 00:39:50,698
and of course the
toes are always deeper

805
00:39:50,733 --> 00:39:53,391
because by then, all of
the weight of the animal

806
00:39:53,425 --> 00:39:56,601
has come forward, this
part's lifted off the ground,

807
00:39:56,635 --> 00:40:01,191
and you got everything, and
your toes work like hydraulics.

808
00:40:01,226 --> 00:40:04,022
You got muscles and
tendons pressing down,

809
00:40:04,056 --> 00:40:07,474
and now you've got
800,000 pounds.

810
00:40:07,508 --> 00:40:09,993
Instead of being scattered
over the whole foot,

811
00:40:10,028 --> 00:40:11,443
you've got it on the
front of the foot,

812
00:40:11,478 --> 00:40:13,065
then you got it
on the toes last,

813
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:15,240
and they sink in the
deepest of the whole track.

814
00:40:15,274 --> 00:40:18,519
Here's a picture of 2005,

815
00:40:18,554 --> 00:40:22,178
where me and the
watchmen of 20 Mile Bay

816
00:40:22,212 --> 00:40:23,835
made it up to the
top of a mountain

817
00:40:23,869 --> 00:40:26,493
that had a growed
over switchback on it.

818
00:40:26,527 --> 00:40:28,943
I walked over, and
this track was there.

819
00:40:28,978 --> 00:40:32,395
Again, the big heel,
didn't even press here,

820
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,847
the ball, and the bulbous toes.

821
00:40:35,881 --> 00:40:38,090
It even reached a
certain depth of dampness

822
00:40:38,125 --> 00:40:39,575
'cause this had had water in it

823
00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:41,300
and the air dries it out,
but the farther down,

824
00:40:41,335 --> 00:40:43,199
the deep, you get
into the moisture.

825
00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:45,546
This is my footprint
after I'd filmed it.

826
00:40:45,581 --> 00:40:47,134
I'm a pretty big guy.

827
00:40:47,168 --> 00:40:50,413
I took my foot for scale and
put it right alongside of it.

828
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,588
I have a pointed
heel, as people do,

829
00:40:52,622 --> 00:40:54,279
our heels are much
narrower than the big

830
00:40:54,313 --> 00:40:56,695
rounded heel of a Sasquatch.

831
00:40:57,972 --> 00:41:00,354
Many years later, I'm
talkin' to John Green,

832
00:41:00,388 --> 00:41:02,287
and he allows me to see
some of his pictures

833
00:41:02,321 --> 00:41:06,256
from Blue Creek Mountain
taken in the summer of 1967.

834
00:41:07,395 --> 00:41:11,434
This is the tracks, the
15 and 13 inch track

835
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:14,126
where they crossed each
other's paths at one point,

836
00:41:14,161 --> 00:41:18,268
and by golly, the heel
stepped, the foot cupped,

837
00:41:18,303 --> 00:41:20,616
it looked like it rolled
over onto the ball,

838
00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:23,653
and the toes imprinted
into the ground right here.

839
00:41:23,688 --> 00:41:27,415
And that is exactly
what happened in 2005,

840
00:41:27,450 --> 00:41:29,176
'cause I was always
bothered by why

841
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:31,523
it didn't press the middle.

842
00:41:31,558 --> 00:41:33,939
I've seen the midtarsal breaks

843
00:41:33,974 --> 00:41:36,632
like you see in
the Patterson film,

844
00:41:36,666 --> 00:41:40,946
where the foot bends and
the large part of the ball

845
00:41:40,981 --> 00:41:43,639
of the foot, back
towards the heel,

846
00:41:43,673 --> 00:41:46,193
pushes this dirt back
and you get this mound,

847
00:41:46,227 --> 00:41:49,368
this ridge across the
track back by the heel.

848
00:41:50,577 --> 00:41:52,717
So that's another sign
of a real working foot.

849
00:41:52,751 --> 00:41:55,443
- I mean, you look at an
example like this big male,

850
00:41:55,478 --> 00:41:56,686
big, heavy male,
and look at that,

851
00:41:56,721 --> 00:41:59,171
there's no differential
pressure there.

852
00:41:59,206 --> 00:42:01,795
There's a little bit
across this point here,

853
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:05,661
but there's no indication
of an arch, it's flat.

854
00:42:05,695 --> 00:42:08,664
And that assists in the
distribution of weight

855
00:42:08,698 --> 00:42:13,703
through more surface area,
given their much greater mass,

856
00:42:14,842 --> 00:42:16,326
which is a cube of
the linear dimensions,

857
00:42:16,361 --> 00:42:18,156
remember, the volume.

858
00:42:19,571 --> 00:42:24,231
So, the Sasquatch foot
walks through a step cycle

859
00:42:25,404 --> 00:42:28,235
in a much different
manner than we do.

860
00:42:28,269 --> 00:42:32,342
Given their long toes,
and their shorter legs,

861
00:42:32,377 --> 00:42:35,898
they also have a tendency to
have a high stepping gait,

862
00:42:37,002 --> 00:42:38,279
which is also an
advantage when you're

863
00:42:38,314 --> 00:42:41,800
walking through rough
and irregular terrain.

864
00:42:41,835 --> 00:42:45,770
We get trained walking on
sidewalks and flat floors

865
00:42:45,804 --> 00:42:50,809
to barely lift our foot at
sufficient to clear our toes

866
00:42:51,948 --> 00:42:56,228
on that featureless,
flat surface.

867
00:42:56,263 --> 00:42:57,851
When you go out hiking, you find

868
00:42:57,885 --> 00:43:00,612
you have to adjust a little bit.

869
00:43:00,647 --> 00:43:02,062
Or, if you're walking
down the sidewalk

870
00:43:02,096 --> 00:43:05,721
and the two sections of
sidewalk are slightly askew

871
00:43:05,755 --> 00:43:08,309
due to frost heave or
something or a root,

872
00:43:08,344 --> 00:43:11,899
boom, you can trip over just
a quarter inch of difference.

873
00:43:11,934 --> 00:43:14,212
That's because
we're so efficient,

874
00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:18,803
we minimize the amount of
muscle effort to swing our foot.

875
00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:21,391
In contrast to that, Patty seems

876
00:43:21,426 --> 00:43:24,394
to be walking
through tall grass,

877
00:43:24,429 --> 00:43:26,155
even though she's
walking on the sand bar,

878
00:43:26,189 --> 00:43:29,848
because her typical substrate
that she's walking through

879
00:43:29,883 --> 00:43:33,576
is brush and scrub and grass.

880
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:37,338
- In the film, if you do
stabilization of the creature,

881
00:43:37,373 --> 00:43:40,272
you can see it had finger
movement, it had wrist movement.

882
00:43:40,307 --> 00:43:42,585
It bent at the elbows.

883
00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,932
You put a man in a suit,
because the arms are so long,

884
00:43:44,967 --> 00:43:47,555
people say, "Well maybe
he was using sticks to,"

885
00:43:47,590 --> 00:43:49,696
I think that Hieronimus or
somebody suggested this.

886
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:51,076
Bob Hieronimus said
it was the last guy

887
00:43:51,111 --> 00:43:53,044
who claimed to be in a suit,

888
00:43:53,078 --> 00:43:55,253
possibly used some sort
of sticks or apparatus

889
00:43:55,287 --> 00:43:57,117
even though Hieronimus
in his story,

890
00:43:57,151 --> 00:43:59,050
which I don't believe a word of,

891
00:43:59,084 --> 00:44:01,017
he said he slipped his
hands in the gloves.

892
00:44:01,052 --> 00:44:05,263
But the problem is, he's 5'10"
or so, he's under six feet,

893
00:44:05,297 --> 00:44:10,026
and when we bend, then our
arms have to bend at the elbow.

894
00:44:10,061 --> 00:44:12,028
Our wrists happen to bend here.

895
00:44:12,063 --> 00:44:14,444
In order to get as
wide as the back was,

896
00:44:14,479 --> 00:44:15,653
like Grover Krantz said once,

897
00:44:15,687 --> 00:44:17,413
you'd have to hold your
arms up to the side

898
00:44:17,447 --> 00:44:19,691
to the elbows to get
the shoulder width,

899
00:44:19,726 --> 00:44:21,175
then you got this,
so then you gotta use

900
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:23,315
some apparatus to
swing the arms.

901
00:44:24,489 --> 00:44:27,734
But these bend, 'cause
you can see in the film.

902
00:44:27,768 --> 00:44:29,770
In the original
film, people saw it,

903
00:44:29,805 --> 00:44:31,599
you could see the
muscle movement.

904
00:44:31,634 --> 00:44:33,947
It's one thing to try
to make a fake suit

905
00:44:33,981 --> 00:44:35,534
look like it's got muscles,

906
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:38,123
or even make a muscle
look like it moves,

907
00:44:38,158 --> 00:44:41,264
but these muscles in the
film work off of each other.

908
00:44:41,299 --> 00:44:43,094
They fire in a certain sequence.

909
00:44:43,128 --> 00:44:45,613
When we all walk,
we bend our elbows.

910
00:44:45,648 --> 00:44:48,340
When we move, everything
works in a certain sequence

911
00:44:48,375 --> 00:44:49,756
off the other.

912
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:52,103
To make something mechanical
that could do all that

913
00:44:52,137 --> 00:44:56,452
and mimic perfectly
nature, it's ridiculous.

914
00:44:56,486 --> 00:44:58,730
It wasn't even really
available at the time.

915
00:44:58,765 --> 00:45:00,698
But then, furthermore,
a few years ago

916
00:45:00,732 --> 00:45:03,597
National Geographic for
the first time in history,

917
00:45:03,631 --> 00:45:06,496
they did a study where
they used science.

918
00:45:06,531 --> 00:45:09,292
They used photogrammetry
and optic measuring.

919
00:45:09,327 --> 00:45:11,950
That's where you can
take mathematics,

920
00:45:11,985 --> 00:45:15,609
you take the lens the
size that Patterson used.

921
00:45:15,643 --> 00:45:17,438
You can take known measurements

922
00:45:17,473 --> 00:45:19,130
that were taken
on the film site,

923
00:45:19,164 --> 00:45:20,752
you can take a film frame

924
00:45:20,787 --> 00:45:22,616
and you can tell
distances to everything,

925
00:45:22,650 --> 00:45:24,135
the size of everything.

926
00:45:24,169 --> 00:45:26,793
This animal, in it's
stooped, walking posture

927
00:45:26,827 --> 00:45:29,865
from the ground, top of
its head, leaning forward,

928
00:45:29,899 --> 00:45:33,489
deep knee bends, seven
feet six inches high.

929
00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:35,284
That put all the
six foot high guys

930
00:45:35,318 --> 00:45:37,182
out of the running as
far as I'm concerned.

931
00:45:37,217 --> 00:45:40,772
That means standing erect, if
it would stand straight up,

932
00:45:40,807 --> 00:45:42,498
you could figure at
least another six inches,

933
00:45:42,532 --> 00:45:44,155
put it up around eight feet.

934
00:45:44,189 --> 00:45:47,572
They went on to say that
only one out of 100 million

935
00:45:47,606 --> 00:45:51,749
human beings reach the
height of eight feet tall,

936
00:45:51,783 --> 00:45:54,165
and those that do have
noted abnormalities

937
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:55,994
in their walking gait.

938
00:45:56,029 --> 00:45:58,997
This creature walked like
it was in its birthday suit.

939
00:45:59,032 --> 00:46:01,482
When Roger got behind it
and it was walking away

940
00:46:01,517 --> 00:46:04,451
up the valley, you could see
the space between its legs.

941
00:46:04,485 --> 00:46:06,798
- This creature was,
it had shoulders

942
00:46:06,833 --> 00:46:09,801
that were a good
36 inches apart,

943
00:46:09,836 --> 00:46:12,321
and the pelvis was as well.

944
00:46:12,355 --> 00:46:15,462
- When I wrote my article,
"Who's Hoaxing Who

945
00:46:15,496 --> 00:46:17,395
in the Making of
Bigfoot", I showed a guy

946
00:46:17,429 --> 00:46:19,846
an attack dog suit
all padded up.

947
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,813
He waddled like a penguin,

948
00:46:21,848 --> 00:46:25,265
because your legs are so
bulked, they rub together.

949
00:46:25,299 --> 00:46:27,888
You don't have that freedom
of motion when you walk.

950
00:46:27,923 --> 00:46:29,752
This creature did.

951
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:31,098
Eight feet tall.

952
00:46:31,133 --> 00:46:32,720
When you get up over
eight feet tall,

953
00:46:32,755 --> 00:46:33,998
you're getting up
around the world,

954
00:46:34,032 --> 00:46:35,896
Guinness World Book of Records.

955
00:46:35,931 --> 00:46:38,485
And you're talking about
people who need apparatuses

956
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:40,694
to hold themselves
steady as they walk,

957
00:46:40,728 --> 00:46:42,627
'cause their muscles
are so taxed,

958
00:46:42,661 --> 00:46:45,009
their joints, they're
usually lock-kneed,

959
00:46:45,043 --> 00:46:46,251
the knees are turned in,

960
00:46:46,286 --> 00:46:49,116
they have a hard
time motoring along.

961
00:46:49,151 --> 00:46:52,050
This thing walked away like
it was pedaling a bicycle.

962
00:46:52,085 --> 00:46:53,500
People look at
that film, they go,

963
00:46:53,534 --> 00:46:55,088
"Yeah, it walks like a man."

964
00:46:55,122 --> 00:46:57,504
But the Russian scientists
that looked at it

965
00:46:57,538 --> 00:46:59,713
and biomechanics experts
in the early '70s

966
00:46:59,747 --> 00:47:02,302
went ahead and took it Russia.

967
00:47:02,336 --> 00:47:03,717
When they watched the film,

968
00:47:03,751 --> 00:47:05,753
these are guys that had
the Russian Olympic,

969
00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:07,859
they were training
the Russian Olympians,

970
00:47:07,894 --> 00:47:11,173
they realized that this
thing walks like somebody

971
00:47:11,207 --> 00:47:14,417
who cross skis,
cross country skis.

972
00:47:14,452 --> 00:47:16,350
They said no one
walks like that,

973
00:47:16,385 --> 00:47:17,869
and they were absolutely right.

974
00:47:17,904 --> 00:47:20,423
- The biggest obstacle to
the continuing research

975
00:47:20,458 --> 00:47:24,393
in this field, is
the community itself.

976
00:47:24,427 --> 00:47:27,879
You've heard it referred to
as the Sasquatch community.

977
00:47:27,914 --> 00:47:31,055
In the United States, you
call it the Bigfoot community.

978
00:47:31,089 --> 00:47:32,608
They're their own worst enemy.

979
00:47:34,058 --> 00:47:35,783
More than anything,
the whole field

980
00:47:35,818 --> 00:47:37,855
now resembles more
like an asylum

981
00:47:37,889 --> 00:47:40,064
that's being taken
over by the inmates.

982
00:47:40,098 --> 00:47:42,066
- I wanna say something
that is different

983
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,723
from anything else
in this room, okay.

984
00:47:44,758 --> 00:47:47,174
We will not find
evidence, it is my belief,

985
00:47:47,209 --> 00:47:50,764
of Bigfoot, although we will
see Bigfoot from time to time.

986
00:47:50,798 --> 00:47:52,904
At this precise point
in the universe,

987
00:47:52,939 --> 00:47:55,527
there are three or
four other earths

988
00:47:55,562 --> 00:47:59,083
functioning at different energy
frequencies or dimensions.

989
00:47:59,117 --> 00:48:01,706
Bigfoot lives in one
of those dimensions.

990
00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:04,053
It is a non-violent
form of life.

991
00:48:04,088 --> 00:48:06,814
It eats plant food, but
it does have enemies.

992
00:48:06,849 --> 00:48:09,403
Several of the enemies are
quite larger than Bigfoot,

993
00:48:09,438 --> 00:48:11,923
and then there's little
packs like wild dogs.

994
00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:13,683
When Bigfoot encounters them,

995
00:48:13,718 --> 00:48:16,307
Bigfoot has the
capability of changing

996
00:48:16,341 --> 00:48:18,965
the energy frequency
of its body form.

997
00:48:18,999 --> 00:48:22,416
Sometimes, it's like having
a radiostat here and dialing.

998
00:48:22,451 --> 00:48:25,178
Sometimes he ends up
here on planet earth,

999
00:48:25,212 --> 00:48:29,044
and he's here, stabilizes
for a short period of time,

1000
00:48:29,078 --> 00:48:32,737
and then what occurs is,
he dials himself back

1001
00:48:32,771 --> 00:48:34,912
and goes back to
his other frequency.

1002
00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:38,156
This is an explanation of why
everybody says they see him,

1003
00:48:38,191 --> 00:48:42,781
but these people over here are
saying there is no evidence.

1004
00:48:42,816 --> 00:48:44,922
- I'm Peter Watts, and
I wonder if someone

1005
00:48:44,956 --> 00:48:48,028
actually killed one, and
it was in these dimension,

1006
00:48:48,063 --> 00:48:50,375
would it just disappear
after it died?

1007
00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:52,136
Or would it stay there?

1008
00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:53,206
[laughing]

1009
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,448
- That's the word that we had.

1010
00:48:54,483 --> 00:48:56,968
If one died here, they
would also move it--

1011
00:48:57,003 --> 00:49:00,972
- People going around
spoutin' all kinds of rubbish

1012
00:49:01,007 --> 00:49:03,871
and nonsense and taking
all kinds of hoaxing

1013
00:49:03,906 --> 00:49:08,324
and fake footage
and fake reports,

1014
00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:11,707
getting it all on
YouTube and the internet,

1015
00:49:11,741 --> 00:49:13,674
which has not helped
matters at all.

1016
00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:17,471
It's put the whole
question into the realm

1017
00:49:17,506 --> 00:49:19,715
of what you would
call tabloid research.

1018
00:49:20,992 --> 00:49:22,200
- [Woman] Straight ahead.

1019
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:28,551
No.
[dramatic orchestral music]

1020
00:49:38,009 --> 00:49:41,081
- [Reporter] On Thursday,
August 20th, around nine a.m.,

1021
00:49:41,116 --> 00:49:43,221
Paul says he drove deep
into the Blue Mountains

1022
00:49:43,256 --> 00:49:46,638
of northern Oregon, to a
place called Deeduck Springs

1023
00:49:46,673 --> 00:49:48,537
at the Umatilla National Forest.

1024
00:49:48,571 --> 00:49:51,747
- Well I just drove
up to the pond here,

1025
00:49:53,231 --> 00:49:58,236
and I know they frequent this
area in August and September.

1026
00:50:00,169 --> 00:50:02,447
I just got out of my little car

1027
00:50:02,482 --> 00:50:03,931
and walked around over here,

1028
00:50:05,312 --> 00:50:09,454
and there was tracks
here in the mud.

1029
00:50:09,489 --> 00:50:12,216
I think it was gonna
get a drink or,

1030
00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:15,253
I don't know, maybe it was
gonna cross there or somethin'.

1031
00:50:15,288 --> 00:50:17,255
But anyway, I must've scared it.

1032
00:50:18,739 --> 00:50:20,948
- [Reporter] Freeman
says he's been searching

1033
00:50:20,983 --> 00:50:22,433
for the legendary
Sasquatch in the woods

1034
00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:25,194
near the Millcreek Watershed
near his Walla Walla home

1035
00:50:25,229 --> 00:50:27,024
for the last 10 years.

1036
00:50:27,058 --> 00:50:30,958
In October of 1988, his
son Dwayne got snapshots.

1037
00:50:30,993 --> 00:50:33,513
In April of this year, Paul
got video from a distance

1038
00:50:33,547 --> 00:50:37,413
of around 69 feet, this
time, camera in hand,

1039
00:50:37,448 --> 00:50:39,070
he was a whole lot closer.

1040
00:50:39,105 --> 00:50:40,899
- I started up the bank there

1041
00:50:40,934 --> 00:50:45,387
and I heard brush and
stuff popping up there.

1042
00:50:45,421 --> 00:50:47,561
Pretty good little tracks.

1043
00:50:50,875 --> 00:50:52,428
There's a good one.

1044
00:50:52,463 --> 00:50:55,604
[eerie ambient music]

1045
00:50:58,538 --> 00:51:00,747
Right up this little trail.

1046
00:51:01,610 --> 00:51:04,233
Right up there is my view, yeah.

1047
00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:09,652
I'm gonna make up
some plaster here.

1048
00:51:11,482 --> 00:51:12,897
Got my cast made.

1049
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:25,116
There's two exits between,

1050
00:51:25,151 --> 00:51:26,324
it's dry there.

1051
00:51:32,123 --> 00:51:33,849
I hear the brush
popping and stuff.

1052
00:51:40,407 --> 00:51:42,064
Oh, there he goes.

1053
00:52:06,606 --> 00:52:08,125
Oh, there he goes.

1054
00:52:12,025 --> 00:52:13,785
It looked at me once.

1055
00:52:14,855 --> 00:52:16,271
Jesus.

1056
00:52:16,305 --> 00:52:19,205
I kinda got a little nervous
when it looked at me,

1057
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,931
then it turned and
just kept on going,

1058
00:52:21,966 --> 00:52:24,520
and went into the brush
there and disappeared.

1059
00:52:24,555 --> 00:52:26,177
I was lookin' for
it with the camera,

1060
00:52:26,212 --> 00:52:29,698
and I seen another one,
smaller, coming at me up there.

1061
00:52:33,702 --> 00:52:34,530
Oh god.

1062
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:41,019
There's two of 'em, I guess.

1063
00:52:41,054 --> 00:52:42,159
- [Reporter] After the incident,

1064
00:52:42,193 --> 00:52:43,850
Freeman says he heard screams

1065
00:52:43,884 --> 00:52:45,990
from the direction
of the creatures

1066
00:52:46,024 --> 00:52:48,924
that kept him pinned down
for almost two hours,

1067
00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:51,720
screams he says
he did not record.

1068
00:52:51,754 --> 00:52:54,274
- I ain't never been scared
like I was scared yesterday.

1069
00:52:58,140 --> 00:53:00,936
I never have been afraid of
man or beast or anything,

1070
00:53:02,144 --> 00:53:04,215
but I set up there
yesterday and,

1071
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:05,941
cowered down like a little kid.

1072
00:53:07,045 --> 00:53:09,462
- [Reporter] Is Bigfoot
fact, or fiction?

1073
00:53:09,496 --> 00:53:11,395
- I really got upset.

1074
00:53:11,429 --> 00:53:14,225
- [Man] This is a
first alleged scream,

1075
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:16,710
unknown scream which
some people think

1076
00:53:16,745 --> 00:53:18,229
may have come from a Sasquatch.

1077
00:53:18,264 --> 00:53:21,957
It was recorded by a
Sergeant Kenny Cooper

1078
00:53:22,992 --> 00:53:24,994
as he was patrolling in the area

1079
00:53:25,029 --> 00:53:28,239
of the Chief Mountain
Road in Washington state

1080
00:53:28,274 --> 00:53:32,623
on the eve of November, 1975.

1081
00:53:34,349 --> 00:53:36,696
[screaming]

1082
00:53:55,024 --> 00:53:58,200
[eerie chiming music]

1083
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:06,001
- Another interesting one
happened at Ruby Creek in 1941

1084
00:54:06,035 --> 00:54:08,590
that's unique because
Jeanny Chapman,

1085
00:54:08,624 --> 00:54:10,799
who lived on a farm there,

1086
00:54:10,833 --> 00:54:12,973
again the road only
went up to Ruby Creek

1087
00:54:13,008 --> 00:54:15,907
and then beyond a couple
miles was her farm.

1088
00:54:15,942 --> 00:54:17,184
You had to go through the forest

1089
00:54:17,219 --> 00:54:18,393
or down the railroad tracks,

1090
00:54:18,427 --> 00:54:20,257
that's the only thing
that could take you

1091
00:54:20,291 --> 00:54:22,259
in that direction, was
the railroad at that time.

1092
00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:24,295
- [Reporter] By 1956,
there had been several

1093
00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:26,918
such reported sightings,
which had been reported

1094
00:54:26,953 --> 00:54:29,162
in small local newspapers.

1095
00:54:29,196 --> 00:54:31,578
Mr. John Green,
publisher of a newspaper

1096
00:54:31,613 --> 00:54:34,271
at Harrison Hot Springs,
British Columbia,

1097
00:54:34,305 --> 00:54:37,204
began investigating
some of these sightings.

1098
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,621
Here is John Green to
report on a sighting

1099
00:54:39,655 --> 00:54:41,726
he investigated in 1957.

1100
00:54:41,761 --> 00:54:45,040
- When I first came
here in about 1957,

1101
00:54:45,074 --> 00:54:47,353
it was still pretty well open,

1102
00:54:47,387 --> 00:54:49,872
but all this has
grown up since then.

1103
00:54:51,598 --> 00:54:54,532
What happened at
that time was that

1104
00:54:54,567 --> 00:54:57,604
Mrs. George Chapman
lived in a house

1105
00:54:57,639 --> 00:54:59,848
down by the river
behind me here.

1106
00:55:01,401 --> 00:55:04,956
She was in the house, and
the children were outside.

1107
00:55:04,991 --> 00:55:07,165
One of them came in and told
her that there was a cow

1108
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,272
coming out of the
woods, so she looked out

1109
00:55:10,307 --> 00:55:14,932
and she saw this man-like
thing, about eight feet tall

1110
00:55:14,966 --> 00:55:17,348
and completely covered
with hair like a bear.

1111
00:55:19,246 --> 00:55:21,835
She knew it to be a Sasquatch,

1112
00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:26,875
and this was quite a well known
thing to the Indian people,

1113
00:55:28,325 --> 00:55:29,774
and she was frightened,
so she took the children,

1114
00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:31,983
ran down to the river, and
then through the graveyard,

1115
00:55:32,018 --> 00:55:33,571
which is right behind me here,

1116
00:55:34,952 --> 00:55:38,127
and came out just about
here onto the track,

1117
00:55:38,162 --> 00:55:40,889
and then ran on
down to Ruby Creek.

1118
00:55:42,442 --> 00:55:46,377
She'd really only had one
quick look at the thing,

1119
00:55:46,412 --> 00:55:49,967
so it wouldn't be that
convincing a story

1120
00:55:50,001 --> 00:55:53,557
except that a lot of people
immediately went back there

1121
00:55:53,591 --> 00:55:55,731
and saw these enormous tracks.

1122
00:55:55,766 --> 00:55:58,872
Mr. Tyfting, of course,
was one of them,

1123
00:55:58,907 --> 00:56:01,772
and can describe what
the tracks are like

1124
00:56:01,806 --> 00:56:02,842
and what they did.

1125
00:56:05,189 --> 00:56:08,675
- Well, he came through
the bush, into the shed,

1126
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:11,437
or the lean to of the house,

1127
00:56:11,471 --> 00:56:15,233
and there was a bowl of dried
fish or smoked salmon, rotted,

1128
00:56:16,407 --> 00:56:19,203
and he broke the bowl
and there was some fish

1129
00:56:19,237 --> 00:56:21,792
eaten there and thrown around,

1130
00:56:21,826 --> 00:56:24,381
and then he went
down the riverbank,

1131
00:56:25,727 --> 00:56:28,592
and apparently took a
drink and then come back up

1132
00:56:28,626 --> 00:56:33,424
on the other side the house,
through the garden patch,

1133
00:56:33,459 --> 00:56:36,496
and up to this here
fence, and stepped

1134
00:56:36,531 --> 00:56:38,981
with one foot on outside of him

1135
00:56:39,016 --> 00:56:42,226
and one foot on
this side the fence,

1136
00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:44,366
and walked right over it.

1137
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:49,647
The footprints were
about 18 inches,

1138
00:56:51,856 --> 00:56:53,375
and then he went across there

1139
00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:56,240
and over to the
next fence there,

1140
00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:58,380
and went right up the hillside.

1141
00:57:01,279 --> 00:57:03,420
That's as far as
we could follow it.

1142
00:57:03,454 --> 00:57:06,595
- Hi, my name is John Green,

1143
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:11,289
and I've been studying
Sasquatch since 1957.

1144
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,123
Custodian at the
local high school

1145
00:57:17,157 --> 00:57:20,885
was named as somebody
investigating and report it

1146
00:57:22,473 --> 00:57:24,820
a little farther
up the railroad,

1147
00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:28,928
and the Indian lady came
looking for her husband,

1148
00:57:28,962 --> 00:57:31,586
who was workin' on
the section then.

1149
00:57:33,691 --> 00:57:34,520
And said that,

1150
00:57:36,418 --> 00:57:38,696
this monster had come
out of the woods, right,

1151
00:57:40,318 --> 00:57:43,321
went walking towards
her house she was in.

1152
00:57:44,668 --> 00:57:46,117
- [Interviewer] You're
talking about Mrs. Chapman?

1153
00:57:46,152 --> 00:57:46,980
- Yes.

1154
00:57:47,947 --> 00:57:51,675
[dramatic orchestral music]

1155
00:58:05,067 --> 00:58:06,724
- Here's a track, and I showed
you one up on the mountain,

1156
00:58:06,759 --> 00:58:08,519
the miles I found.

1157
00:58:08,554 --> 00:58:11,695
Here's a track that
ended up in Ruby Creek,

1158
00:58:11,729 --> 00:58:15,561
the same year Archibald
happened in late September.

1159
00:58:15,595 --> 00:58:17,045
A guy by the name
of Mark Quarton,

1160
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:20,186
and Mark was in Ruby
Creek huntin' by himself,

1161
00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:22,084
and as he got down
by the bog area

1162
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:25,536
where a lot of the game is,

1163
00:58:26,744 --> 00:58:30,507
geese and ducks are down
that way, a lotta water.

1164
00:58:30,541 --> 00:58:32,025
He says he got near
one of the bogs,

1165
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:33,855
he noticed something out
of the corner of his eye,

1166
00:58:33,889 --> 00:58:36,340
and he turned, and
coming down at an angle,

1167
00:58:36,374 --> 00:58:40,033
a large stone hit the bog
right near where he was at.

1168
00:58:41,414 --> 00:58:44,624
It splashed him through
the wall of shrubbery

1169
00:58:44,659 --> 00:58:47,903
along there, the water
was such a splash

1170
00:58:47,938 --> 00:58:49,526
that it got him wet.

1171
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,700
He thought he walked up
on a hunter's location.

1172
00:58:51,735 --> 00:58:54,116
He stepped forward
and he looked through,

1173
00:58:54,151 --> 00:58:56,015
apologized or whatever
he had on his mind.

1174
00:58:56,049 --> 00:58:57,637
He looked through,
and all he saw

1175
00:58:57,672 --> 00:59:00,226
was an upright figure walking
away through the bush,

1176
00:59:00,260 --> 00:59:03,332
but he could only see the
outline of something dark.

1177
00:59:03,367 --> 00:59:04,782
He didn't think it
was really tall,

1178
00:59:04,817 --> 00:59:06,577
like it was only
maybe six feet tall,

1179
00:59:06,612 --> 00:59:08,337
six and a half feet tall.

1180
00:59:08,372 --> 00:59:11,789
Mark's 6'4", but
he became unnerved

1181
00:59:11,824 --> 00:59:13,584
so he got the heck outta there.

1182
00:59:13,619 --> 00:59:15,103
First of all, would you speak

1183
00:59:15,137 --> 00:59:16,035
your full name, please.

1184
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:18,520
- [Mark] First name, Mark.
Last name, Quarton.

1185
00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:20,971
- [Bill] Do you wish
you identity to be
kept confidential?

1186
00:59:21,005 --> 00:59:21,834
- [Mark] No.

1187
00:59:23,076 --> 00:59:24,319
I don't care.

1188
00:59:24,353 --> 00:59:25,976
- [Bill] What is
your occupation?

1189
00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:27,909
- [Mark] I'm a gas fitter.

1190
00:59:29,704 --> 00:59:31,291
- [Bill] Do you wear
corrective lenses?

1191
00:59:31,326 --> 00:59:32,154
- [Mark] No.

1192
00:59:33,086 --> 00:59:34,087
- [Bill] How old are you?

1193
00:59:34,122 --> 00:59:35,399
- [Mark] 30.

1194
00:59:35,433 --> 00:59:37,712
- [Bill] Now, first question is,

1195
00:59:37,746 --> 00:59:39,610
just tell me
generally the story.

1196
00:59:39,645 --> 00:59:40,715
Tell me what happened.

1197
00:59:41,923 --> 00:59:43,821
- [Mark] I was
talking down this road

1198
00:59:43,856 --> 00:59:46,652
up at Ruby Crrek,
this marshy area.

1199
00:59:48,274 --> 00:59:50,483
Moving real slow, keeping
an eye on the bush,

1200
00:59:50,517 --> 00:59:52,209
looking for deer and bear.

1201
00:59:53,624 --> 00:59:55,799
Caught a glimpse
of something black

1202
00:59:55,833 --> 00:59:58,318
out of the corner
of my eye moving.

1203
00:59:58,353 --> 00:59:59,216
No sound at that point.

1204
00:59:59,250 --> 01:00:00,666
Just something moving.

1205
01:00:00,700 --> 01:00:05,394
So I quickly spun mainly just
my upper body towards it.

1206
01:00:06,637 --> 01:00:10,952
Saw a rock 12 to 15
feet off the ground,

1207
01:00:12,091 --> 01:00:14,334
kind of arching down towards me.

1208
01:00:16,371 --> 01:00:17,268
Landed in the bog.

1209
01:00:17,303 --> 01:00:18,545
Seemed like right next to me,

1210
01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:21,031
but I don't know where
in that bog it landed,

1211
01:00:21,065 --> 01:00:22,929
but it seemed like
it was right there.

1212
01:00:24,862 --> 01:00:27,589
So I paused and started
going through the motions

1213
01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:32,490
in my head, thinking where
could it have come from, and,

1214
01:00:35,252 --> 01:00:36,322
a bunch of things
went through my head,

1215
01:00:36,356 --> 01:00:37,737
but nothing really made sense.

1216
01:00:37,772 --> 01:00:40,153
So I kind of, I backed
up a little bit,

1217
01:00:40,188 --> 01:00:42,500
and I was looking at
this grove of trees.

1218
01:00:43,812 --> 01:00:45,400
I saw something
black kind of move

1219
01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:47,885
and then it took
off like a rocket.

1220
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,130
My first impression, holy shit.

1221
01:00:51,164 --> 01:00:52,338
[laughing]

1222
01:00:52,372 --> 01:00:54,720
And then I started thinking

1223
01:00:54,754 --> 01:00:56,445
that I had walked
through somebody's,

1224
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,516
under somebody's tree and
they were whipping a rock

1225
01:00:58,551 --> 01:01:00,415
at me to get me to take off.

1226
01:01:00,449 --> 01:01:03,004
I thought at first a
person threw a rock at me,

1227
01:01:03,038 --> 01:01:04,799
but then I saw something
take off into the bush

1228
01:01:04,833 --> 01:01:06,904
and there was no
way that was a man.

1229
01:01:06,939 --> 01:01:08,837
- [Bill] How did you react
when you first saw it?

1230
01:01:08,872 --> 01:01:10,114
- [Mark] I froze.

1231
01:01:10,149 --> 01:01:11,357
- He wanted to go
out there and see

1232
01:01:11,391 --> 01:01:13,739
what the heck threw
this rock at him.

1233
01:01:13,773 --> 01:01:16,569
The rock was about
18 inches long,

1234
01:01:16,603 --> 01:01:17,743
and about half as,

1235
01:01:18,916 --> 01:01:22,195
it was as tall as half
the length of the rock.

1236
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:24,542
One of the things he told
me during the conversation

1237
01:01:24,577 --> 01:01:28,132
was that the way
it was spiraling,

1238
01:01:28,167 --> 01:01:29,444
I thought that was kinda,
I said, "Spiraling?

1239
01:01:29,478 --> 01:01:31,515
"You mean like
throwing a football?"

1240
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:32,999
"Yeah, yeah,
spiraling like that,

1241
01:01:33,034 --> 01:01:34,932
"it was rotating, fast."

1242
01:01:34,967 --> 01:01:37,176
So quickly, I asked him
before he could even think,

1243
01:01:37,210 --> 01:01:38,695
I said, "Which way
was it spinning?"

1244
01:01:38,729 --> 01:01:43,044
And without hesitation, he
says, "Towards me, forward."

1245
01:01:43,078 --> 01:01:44,286
I said, "That's a good answer."

1246
01:01:44,321 --> 01:01:46,288
He says, "Why, what
difference that make?"

1247
01:01:46,323 --> 01:01:49,878
Primates can throw underhand,
they can't throw overhand,

1248
01:01:49,913 --> 01:01:52,053
and when you flip
something underhand,

1249
01:01:52,087 --> 01:01:54,124
you start the rotation
going forward,

1250
01:01:54,158 --> 01:01:56,195
a ball or anything,
it's rolling forward.

1251
01:01:56,229 --> 01:01:59,785
I picked up a rock half the
size of what he described.

1252
01:01:59,819 --> 01:02:02,304
I tried throwing it across
this narrow logging road,

1253
01:02:02,339 --> 01:02:05,894
it never got over my head and
I barely got it seven feet.

1254
01:02:05,929 --> 01:02:08,586
This thing threw a rock
from 40 feet across a bog,

1255
01:02:08,621 --> 01:02:10,416
and when he turned, he says,

1256
01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:12,383
"It was just about a foot or
two through those branches.

1257
01:02:12,418 --> 01:02:14,213
I saw it coming down
at a steep angle."

1258
01:02:14,247 --> 01:02:16,733
So whatever had threw
it, had lobbed it high,

1259
01:02:16,767 --> 01:02:18,700
and threw it towards
him, very strong.

1260
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:21,772
I said, "It'd sure be
nice to get that rock."

1261
01:02:21,807 --> 01:02:23,878
Quarton and his friend
never found any tracks.

1262
01:02:23,912 --> 01:02:26,397
He said, "I know
the way it went,

1263
01:02:26,432 --> 01:02:28,434
because I could
see the bushes move

1264
01:02:28,468 --> 01:02:31,299
and hear sticks snappin',
but I could never see it.

1265
01:02:31,333 --> 01:02:32,610
It went around the other side,

1266
01:02:32,645 --> 01:02:33,784
and I know the travel it went,

1267
01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:35,613
around the other side
and on outta sight

1268
01:02:35,648 --> 01:02:37,236
down the side of the hillside."

1269
01:02:38,685 --> 01:02:40,757
So he goes that way, and
they didn't find anything,

1270
01:02:40,791 --> 01:02:43,276
but when Thomas went in,
it wasn't five minutes,

1271
01:02:43,311 --> 01:02:45,451
he says, "Bill, bring
the camera equipment."

1272
01:02:45,485 --> 01:02:46,348
So I did.

1273
01:02:47,522 --> 01:02:50,456
This track here, right
here you can see it

1274
01:02:50,490 --> 01:02:53,321
through the vegetation
where it pressed down.

1275
01:02:53,355 --> 01:02:55,185
I don't know if you
can see it good enough,

1276
01:02:55,219 --> 01:02:56,773
but this thing,
it actually turned

1277
01:02:56,807 --> 01:02:59,637
the tips of the toes down
when it got into the soft bog,

1278
01:02:59,672 --> 01:03:01,501
almost as if it's gripping,

1279
01:03:01,536 --> 01:03:03,710
and that's what
it's supposed to do.

1280
01:03:03,745 --> 01:03:06,783
Remember the foot
on Mount Archibald,

1281
01:03:06,817 --> 01:03:08,129
when it was going up the hill,

1282
01:03:08,163 --> 01:03:10,510
it seemed to be
gripping the ground,

1283
01:03:10,545 --> 01:03:13,341
and kept going in the
direction of travel.

1284
01:03:13,375 --> 01:03:16,171
This has five toe punctures.

1285
01:03:16,206 --> 01:03:18,070
They had water standing in 'em.

1286
01:03:18,104 --> 01:03:20,900
We waited a day or so to let
the water seep outta here,

1287
01:03:20,935 --> 01:03:22,384
'cause it had been raining
the day Mark was there

1288
01:03:22,419 --> 01:03:25,249
and the day after it
when I interviewed him,

1289
01:03:25,284 --> 01:03:26,837
and we let it seep
out and Steenburg

1290
01:03:26,872 --> 01:03:30,013
actually cast this
track, believe it or not,

1291
01:03:30,047 --> 01:03:33,085
and he has a casting
of it at his place.

1292
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,466
Mark never knew those
tracks was there,

1293
01:03:35,501 --> 01:03:38,055
and I thought, "Wow, if
this guy wanted to hoax me,

1294
01:03:38,090 --> 01:03:39,885
he woulda made sure that I knew

1295
01:03:39,919 --> 01:03:42,473
that they found those
tracks, come and see 'em."

1296
01:03:42,508 --> 01:03:43,681
He never knew.

1297
01:03:43,716 --> 01:03:45,062
I seen the pictures,
he was so happy

1298
01:03:45,097 --> 01:03:47,582
they was able to find
evidence to back up his story.

1299
01:03:49,446 --> 01:03:53,381
[suspenseful orchestral music]

1300
01:03:56,418 --> 01:04:00,112
- This is my file,
one zero one six two.

1301
01:04:00,146 --> 01:04:02,286
This concerns an
incident I investigated

1302
01:04:02,321 --> 01:04:05,634
that happened on
September 21st, 2008.

1303
01:04:05,669 --> 01:04:08,672
Myself and a female researcher
by the name of Chrissy

1304
01:04:08,706 --> 01:04:12,918
found three footprints,
one of which was cast,

1305
01:04:12,952 --> 01:04:14,781
and you can see it right
in front of you here.

1306
01:04:14,816 --> 01:04:16,438
It was in bog debris.

1307
01:04:17,957 --> 01:04:21,374
Footprint in layers and
layers of bog debris.

1308
01:04:22,928 --> 01:04:26,828
And as you can see,
that's not the best stuff

1309
01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:28,312
to try and cast something with.

1310
01:04:28,347 --> 01:04:30,176
I was quite pleasantly surprised

1311
01:04:30,211 --> 01:04:33,076
I'm actually getting any
impression out of it at all.

1312
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:34,491
There were two other tracks,

1313
01:04:34,525 --> 01:04:38,115
one of which miss
Chrissy destroyed herself

1314
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:42,879
by sinking up to her crotch
in mud, and falling on it.

1315
01:04:44,018 --> 01:04:46,641
And the second set was
destroyed by a dog,

1316
01:04:46,675 --> 01:04:49,955
which had clawed it, and the dog

1317
01:04:49,989 --> 01:04:52,750
was going for this track
too when I got ahold of it

1318
01:04:52,785 --> 01:04:55,443
and told her to tie
the damn thing up.

1319
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,033
We went back the next day,

1320
01:04:59,067 --> 01:05:01,345
'cause we thought because
it had been so warm and dry

1321
01:05:01,380 --> 01:05:03,692
that it would dry
out, and it did,

1322
01:05:03,727 --> 01:05:06,247
and we cast it at that time.

1323
01:05:06,281 --> 01:05:08,732
Because bad weather was
due to come back in,

1324
01:05:08,766 --> 01:05:11,631
we wanted to make sure we
got a good casting made

1325
01:05:11,666 --> 01:05:13,599
before the track was destroyed.

1326
01:05:13,633 --> 01:05:14,980
But you're looking
at the original,

1327
01:05:15,014 --> 01:05:17,603
out of the ground
casting right there.

1328
01:05:17,637 --> 01:05:20,295
- Now if you wanna
know the classics,

1329
01:05:20,330 --> 01:05:23,850
I mentioned the Jacko
capture up at Yale.

1330
01:05:23,885 --> 01:05:25,024
That was very interesting.

1331
01:05:25,059 --> 01:05:27,440
Thomas Steenburg and
myself, a few years ago,

1332
01:05:27,475 --> 01:05:31,479
were the first researchers
in 120 or 25 years

1333
01:05:31,513 --> 01:05:34,827
that actually found
that location by the
number four tunnel.

1334
01:05:34,861 --> 01:05:38,106
Everything was like it was in
the Daily Columnist article.

1335
01:05:38,141 --> 01:05:39,659
The train was
coming from Litton,

1336
01:05:39,694 --> 01:05:43,111
and in those days, a
gravel road from Agassiz

1337
01:05:43,146 --> 01:05:47,046
out to Ruby Creek stopped
and it was all forest,

1338
01:05:47,081 --> 01:05:49,669
all the way up to Hope,
all the way up to Yale,

1339
01:05:49,704 --> 01:05:51,257
there was no road at that time.

1340
01:05:53,604 --> 01:05:55,227
So when this train was
coming from Litton,

1341
01:05:55,261 --> 01:05:56,676
it rounded the bend, it says,

1342
01:05:56,711 --> 01:05:58,782
"When the number four tunnel
first came into sight,

1343
01:05:58,816 --> 01:06:01,647
we saw something laying
by the tracks up ahead.

1344
01:06:01,681 --> 01:06:03,166
We thought it was
someone laying there."

1345
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,341
It blew its whistle,
it didn't move.

1346
01:06:06,376 --> 01:06:08,826
So they had to eventually
stop the train.

1347
01:06:08,861 --> 01:06:11,105
They dismounted,
they went towards it,

1348
01:06:11,139 --> 01:06:13,003
and when they got up
to it, it had come to

1349
01:06:13,038 --> 01:06:14,832
and it scrambled
up the rock bluff.

1350
01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:19,182
It got up so high,
about 10 feet or so,

1351
01:06:19,216 --> 01:06:21,149
'cause there are two
rock ledges possible

1352
01:06:21,184 --> 01:06:22,633
where they said it happened,

1353
01:06:22,668 --> 01:06:25,843
that it could've gotten to,
and they're about 10 feet high.

1354
01:06:25,878 --> 01:06:29,226
We didn't know which one, they
didn't say in the article,

1355
01:06:29,261 --> 01:06:32,022
but it got hung up, so they
called for the bell rope.

1356
01:06:32,057 --> 01:06:33,817
They didn't know what
this strange creature was.

1357
01:06:33,851 --> 01:06:36,820
It was covered with hair, they
never seen anything like it.

1358
01:06:36,854 --> 01:06:39,029
The term Sasquatch
hadn't been coined

1359
01:06:39,064 --> 01:06:41,618
until the 1920s I believe,

1360
01:06:41,652 --> 01:06:44,966
over here at Chehalis
by a J.W. Burns.

1361
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:49,143
So they got the bell
rope, they captured it,

1362
01:06:49,177 --> 01:06:51,283
they telegraphed
into town telling 'em

1363
01:06:51,317 --> 01:06:52,525
"Hey, the train is stopped."

1364
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,044
You have to tell 'em
why in those days,

1365
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:55,287
a lotta robberies
and stuff going on,

1366
01:06:55,321 --> 01:06:57,427
"Not to worry, we're
a little bit behind.

1367
01:06:57,461 --> 01:07:00,844
They're bringing this
creature in that we captured."

1368
01:07:00,878 --> 01:07:03,226
So they took it into
town, the whole town

1369
01:07:03,260 --> 01:07:06,091
had heard about this
news, it was in a stir.

1370
01:07:06,125 --> 01:07:07,816
They stopped short of
town and dropped it off

1371
01:07:07,851 --> 01:07:09,646
at the machine shop.

1372
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,926
They had a doctor named
Hannington examine it.

1373
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,929
In his report, he says
that it was 4'7" tall,

1374
01:07:16,963 --> 01:07:21,209
127 pounds, covered
with short black hair

1375
01:07:21,244 --> 01:07:22,728
all over its body.

1376
01:07:22,762 --> 01:07:27,733
It had hands and feet, and
it said paws in parentheses,

1377
01:07:28,665 --> 01:07:31,392
like a human's, like a man's

1378
01:07:31,426 --> 01:07:34,464
but all the fingers ran
in the same direction,

1379
01:07:34,498 --> 01:07:36,121
no opposing thumb like we have.

1380
01:07:37,329 --> 01:07:39,434
The feet had five
toes like we have,

1381
01:07:40,815 --> 01:07:43,162
and it had this short,
black, strong hair it said,

1382
01:07:43,197 --> 01:07:46,579
and one of the
interesting things that
the doctor mentioned,

1383
01:07:46,614 --> 01:07:50,721
from the elbow to the wrist
was longer than a man's arm,

1384
01:07:50,756 --> 01:07:52,482
and they found that
it could break a stick

1385
01:07:52,516 --> 01:07:55,381
by twisting it rather
than snapping it

1386
01:07:55,416 --> 01:07:58,315
like we would have
to do, very strong.

1387
01:07:58,350 --> 01:08:00,835
What he described was a ape,

1388
01:08:02,043 --> 01:08:03,217
and I don't think
the first gorillas

1389
01:08:03,251 --> 01:08:04,666
weren't brought over
to this continent

1390
01:08:04,701 --> 01:08:08,049
until around 1902, 1906.

1391
01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:10,672
So 25 years earlier, they
wouldn't even actually

1392
01:08:10,707 --> 01:08:12,985
seen gorillas, they would've
seen monkeys probably,

1393
01:08:13,019 --> 01:08:14,297
but not gorillas.

1394
01:08:14,331 --> 01:08:16,851
What you're describing
is the size of a chimp

1395
01:08:16,885 --> 01:08:20,751
or a small gorilla, those are
expensive, exotic animals.

1396
01:08:20,786 --> 01:08:22,788
I said, "No one dumps
'em on logging roads

1397
01:08:22,822 --> 01:08:25,273
like an old dog you
don't want anymore."

1398
01:08:25,308 --> 01:08:28,311
A Sasquatch is not born big.

1399
01:08:28,345 --> 01:08:31,176
It comes out as a youngster
and it has to grow.

1400
01:08:31,210 --> 01:08:33,350
They think it got too
close to the rock bluff

1401
01:08:33,385 --> 01:08:35,180
and it had fallen and
it was just knocked down

1402
01:08:35,214 --> 01:08:36,974
and knocked the wind
out of 'em or somethin',

1403
01:08:37,009 --> 01:08:39,391
that's how they wound up
seein' it by the tracks.

1404
01:08:39,425 --> 01:08:42,566
They go to take it to England,

1405
01:08:42,601 --> 01:08:46,087
and somewhere along the line
there's no real trail on it.

1406
01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:49,470
It ran out, they don't know
what exactly happened to it,

1407
01:08:49,504 --> 01:08:52,404
but in those days,
I can only speculate

1408
01:08:52,438 --> 01:08:54,406
whether you be at
sea or on a train,

1409
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:57,236
something dies, you don't
leave it layin' there,

1410
01:08:57,271 --> 01:08:59,031
especially if you
got a long trip ahead

1411
01:08:59,065 --> 01:09:00,653
because they worry about plague

1412
01:09:00,688 --> 01:09:02,586
and getting sick
from a dead body.

1413
01:09:02,621 --> 01:09:04,519
No way to preserve it,

1414
01:09:04,554 --> 01:09:06,176
so they probably
pitched it overboard

1415
01:09:06,211 --> 01:09:08,247
not knowing what it was.

1416
01:09:08,282 --> 01:09:09,490
And that was unfortunate,

1417
01:09:09,524 --> 01:09:10,767
because there was
that one opportunity

1418
01:09:10,801 --> 01:09:12,734
that they could've had the body,

1419
01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:14,771
and they didn't, and
they discarded it.

1420
01:09:14,805 --> 01:09:16,911
- [Narrator] Could Jack
Faust's Town Hall witnesses

1421
01:09:16,945 --> 01:09:18,154
be liars?

1422
01:09:18,188 --> 01:09:21,191
- Bigfoot, Sasquatch,
the abominable snowman,

1423
01:09:21,226 --> 01:09:24,953
call him, or her,
whatever you want.

1424
01:09:24,988 --> 01:09:28,371
It's a controversy
as old as the hills

1425
01:09:28,405 --> 01:09:30,062
in which they are sighted,

1426
01:09:30,096 --> 01:09:31,719
and as fresh as the
winds have been blowing

1427
01:09:31,753 --> 01:09:32,927
the last couple days,

1428
01:09:32,961 --> 01:09:35,309
because in recent
weeks, more sightings.

1429
01:09:35,343 --> 01:09:36,827
The controversy continues.

1430
01:09:36,862 --> 01:09:41,073
There was a photo sent to
us from an alleged sighting,

1431
01:09:41,107 --> 01:09:43,558
and I believe we have
another picture there.

1432
01:09:43,593 --> 01:09:46,009
Yes, and there we
have another picture.

1433
01:09:46,043 --> 01:09:50,220
Now, let's go from
the photographs to
the eye witnesses.

1434
01:09:50,255 --> 01:09:53,396
I'm gonna ask here, who
here in this audience

1435
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:55,639
has seen Bigfoot?

1436
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,124
You sir, identify yourself.

1437
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:01,300
- My name's Gary Weilert, I
was huntin' elk about 1982

1438
01:10:01,335 --> 01:10:04,130
with some family
and some friends.

1439
01:10:04,165 --> 01:10:05,270
- [Jack] Whereabouts?

1440
01:10:05,304 --> 01:10:07,755
- Up in, out of
Milton-Freewater area,

1441
01:10:07,789 --> 01:10:08,825
in the Blue Mountain range.

1442
01:10:08,859 --> 01:10:10,654
- [Jack] The Blue Mountains.

1443
01:10:10,689 --> 01:10:12,863
- We were about just
gettin' done huntin'.

1444
01:10:12,898 --> 01:10:14,900
It was just startin'
to get dark.

1445
01:10:14,934 --> 01:10:17,627
We were camped at
the end of a meadow.

1446
01:10:17,661 --> 01:10:18,869
We were all standing there,

1447
01:10:18,904 --> 01:10:20,285
and we noticed an
object come out

1448
01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:23,322
of the far end of the
meadow, came straight at us,

1449
01:10:23,357 --> 01:10:24,565
and then paralleled us.

1450
01:10:24,599 --> 01:10:26,567
We figured maybe it saw
the fire or something.

1451
01:10:26,601 --> 01:10:27,395
- [Jack] How far away?

1452
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:28,914
- 200 yards.

1453
01:10:28,948 --> 01:10:30,812
It had just began to snow,
it was plenty light out,

1454
01:10:30,847 --> 01:10:34,057
we could see it was up on
two hind legs, walking.

1455
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:37,094
We figured it wasn't no bear,

1456
01:10:37,129 --> 01:10:39,683
because a bear usually does
not walk on its hind legs

1457
01:10:39,718 --> 01:10:41,961
no 100 yards, 150 yards.

1458
01:10:41,996 --> 01:10:43,929
Usually only under attack
or something like that

1459
01:10:43,963 --> 01:10:45,862
they'll get up on their legs,

1460
01:10:45,896 --> 01:10:49,659
but it walked parallel to
us to the edge of the woods,

1461
01:10:49,693 --> 01:10:53,076
and then stopped,
fiddled around.

1462
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:54,457
I don't know what it was
doing, just standing there,

1463
01:10:54,491 --> 01:10:55,492
and then that was the end of it.

1464
01:10:55,527 --> 01:10:57,183
We didn't wanna go after it.

1465
01:10:58,323 --> 01:10:59,910
- [Jack] How big, would you say?

1466
01:11:01,326 --> 01:11:04,570
- Well, to get an idea, at
first when we saw it come out,

1467
01:11:04,605 --> 01:11:05,778
we thought it was an elk,

1468
01:11:05,813 --> 01:11:07,366
and elk is a pretty
massive animal.

1469
01:11:09,334 --> 01:11:12,233
Then when we realized
it wasn't on four legs,

1470
01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:15,581
it was up on two, we got
a little more curious.

1471
01:11:15,616 --> 01:11:18,274
We had scopes, we
tried to see better.

1472
01:11:18,308 --> 01:11:20,034
We couldn't tell no
hair color or anything.

1473
01:11:20,068 --> 01:11:22,968
We knew it was dark,
blackish color,

1474
01:11:23,002 --> 01:11:27,213
and it was rather big,
probably nine, 10 feet tall.

1475
01:11:27,248 --> 01:11:28,870
- [Jack] What was it walking on?

1476
01:11:28,905 --> 01:11:30,044
- Snow.

1477
01:11:30,078 --> 01:11:31,287
- [Jack] Did it leave tracks?

1478
01:11:31,321 --> 01:11:33,081
- We did not go
up there to look.

1479
01:11:33,116 --> 01:11:34,945
[laughing]

1480
01:11:34,980 --> 01:11:36,395
We weren't interested, you know,

1481
01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:40,434
like, say, brave white hunters,
but we didn't wanna go look.

1482
01:11:42,298 --> 01:11:43,437
[suspenseful orchestral music]

1483
01:11:43,471 --> 01:11:48,165
- Scientists don't
make decisions

1484
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,167
as to whether

1485
01:11:52,377 --> 01:11:54,137
things are this or that.

1486
01:11:54,171 --> 01:11:55,449
They investigate.

1487
01:11:57,554 --> 01:12:00,039
And I thought, good Lord,

1488
01:12:00,074 --> 01:12:02,663
I've been trying to
get 'em to investigate

1489
01:12:02,697 --> 01:12:03,871
for half a century.

1490
01:12:03,905 --> 01:12:05,079
They don't investigate.

1491
01:12:07,081 --> 01:12:09,290
They have beliefs,

1492
01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:11,775
and anything that is
contrary to their belief,

1493
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:13,605
they won't investigate.

1494
01:12:15,089 --> 01:12:19,507
So these people have beliefs.

1495
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:21,613
They're not scientists.

1496
01:12:24,063 --> 01:12:27,273
- I'm Grover Krantz, I'm a
professor of anthropology

1497
01:12:27,308 --> 01:12:29,517
here at Washington
State University.

1498
01:12:29,552 --> 01:12:32,796
I teach courses in dealing
with physical anthropology,

1499
01:12:32,831 --> 01:12:35,040
introduction to the
subject, human evolution,

1500
01:12:35,074 --> 01:12:36,973
human races, the human skeleton,

1501
01:12:37,007 --> 01:12:40,114
and sometimes seminars
on advanced subjects.

1502
01:12:40,148 --> 01:12:41,633
- [Interviewer] Do
you feel compelled

1503
01:12:41,667 --> 01:12:45,913
to still make the case for
the existence of Bigfoot?

1504
01:12:45,947 --> 01:12:49,088
- Well I'm satisfied that
this Bigfoot thing exists.

1505
01:12:50,262 --> 01:12:51,746
Trying to make the
case or argue for it

1506
01:12:51,781 --> 01:12:55,405
on the present evidence
is largely futile,

1507
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,581
but I'd like as much as
possible to let the word out

1508
01:12:58,615 --> 01:13:01,066
as to what I found out
and what I'm doing.

1509
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:02,136
- [Interviewer] Tell
me, why is it futile,

1510
01:13:02,170 --> 01:13:03,448
can you elaborate on that?

1511
01:13:04,794 --> 01:13:07,417
- Almost any scientist
will tell you,

1512
01:13:07,452 --> 01:13:09,695
in no uncertain terms,
that you will prove

1513
01:13:09,730 --> 01:13:12,249
the existence of
Bigfoot or Sasquatch

1514
01:13:12,284 --> 01:13:15,529
by bringing in a body or a
substantial piece of one.

1515
01:13:15,563 --> 01:13:17,634
No other evidence is proof.

1516
01:13:18,877 --> 01:13:20,292
They are adamant about this.

1517
01:13:21,466 --> 01:13:25,228
- Scientific world
does not work the same

1518
01:13:25,262 --> 01:13:27,920
as the legal world.

1519
01:13:27,955 --> 01:13:30,406
Eyewitness testimony
really doesn't mean much.

1520
01:13:32,304 --> 01:13:34,271
Anecdotal evidence
doesn't mean much.

1521
01:13:34,306 --> 01:13:36,757
Photographic, video
evidence doesn't mean much.

1522
01:13:36,791 --> 01:13:39,415
They need something
to physically examine.

1523
01:13:39,449 --> 01:13:40,968
Basically, you have
to lay a Sasquatch

1524
01:13:41,002 --> 01:13:42,314
out on the table for 'em.

1525
01:13:43,557 --> 01:13:46,836
So, until or unless
that happens,

1526
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:50,598
this will remain
in the elements,

1527
01:13:50,633 --> 01:13:53,049
for lack of a better
term, on the fringe.

1528
01:13:54,533 --> 01:13:56,397
And for me, what I need to do,

1529
01:13:56,432 --> 01:13:59,814
is I gotta find that
hard physical evidence

1530
01:13:59,849 --> 01:14:03,162
that will confirm, to the
people who really matter,

1531
01:14:03,197 --> 01:14:05,337
that the Sasquatch
does indeed exist.

1532
01:14:06,856 --> 01:14:09,928
It wouldn't surprise me
if the physical remains

1533
01:14:09,962 --> 01:14:14,173
of a Sasquatch are laid
out on a table one day.

1534
01:14:14,208 --> 01:14:17,487
It won't be found by a
researcher like me in the bush.

1535
01:14:17,522 --> 01:14:19,351
It'll be found by some
anthropology student

1536
01:14:19,385 --> 01:14:20,525
who found them in
a long forgotten

1537
01:14:20,559 --> 01:14:22,354
museum box or drawer somewhere.

1538
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:26,427
It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

1539
01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:30,120
[dramatic orchestral music]