WEBVTT FILE 1 00:00:01.035 --> 00:00:04.176 [light ambient music] 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:07.000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09.112 --> 00:00:12.771 [glasses clinking] 5 00:00:12.805 --> 00:00:15.808 [suspenseful music] 6 00:00:22.091 --> 00:00:24.369 - A community off northern Vancouver Island 7 00:00:24.403 --> 00:00:27.234 is at the center of an eerie mystery. 8 00:00:27.268 --> 00:00:29.063 People in Alert Bay say they've been hearing 9 00:00:29.098 --> 00:00:32.929 strange screams and howls from the forest at night, 10 00:00:32.963 --> 00:00:35.380 and the legend of the Sasquatch runs deep 11 00:00:35.414 --> 00:00:37.347 in their first nation's culture. 12 00:00:37.382 --> 00:00:39.177 As CTV's Gord Kurbis reports, 13 00:00:39.211 --> 00:00:42.835 some are now wondering if those legends are real. 14 00:00:43.836 --> 00:00:45.631 [screaming] [whooshing] 15 00:00:45.666 --> 00:00:48.669 - We heard it once, and I didn't get the recording, 16 00:00:48.703 --> 00:00:51.085 and then second time, I got the recording, 17 00:00:52.259 --> 00:00:53.260 and that's when it was on the back porch. 18 00:00:53.294 --> 00:00:54.571 Very eerie. 19 00:00:54.606 --> 00:00:56.504 - [Gord] The audio was recorded just recently 20 00:00:56.539 --> 00:00:58.610 on the back side of Cormorant Island. 21 00:00:58.644 --> 00:01:00.991 It's been heard by many all over the island. 22 00:01:01.026 --> 00:01:02.993 - This summer I've heard it three times. 23 00:01:03.028 --> 00:01:04.650 I've heard it scream three times, 24 00:01:06.238 --> 00:01:07.929 but it's been coming here for years. 25 00:01:07.964 --> 00:01:09.655 - [Gord] Whatever's been making the noise 26 00:01:09.690 --> 00:01:12.072 is heard primarily at night. 27 00:01:12.106 --> 00:01:14.419 [screaming] 28 00:01:17.663 --> 00:01:20.942 Some say it's a dog, but others say, that's impossible. 29 00:01:20.977 --> 00:01:24.014 John Bindernagel makes his way into a forested area 30 00:01:24.049 --> 00:01:26.431 on Cormorant Island, looking for a creature 31 00:01:26.465 --> 00:01:28.398 many say doesn't exist. 32 00:01:28.433 --> 00:01:29.572 - It comes back to this question 33 00:01:29.606 --> 00:01:32.264 that comes up in other places. 34 00:01:32.299 --> 00:01:34.818 Not why is it here, or how could it be here, 35 00:01:34.853 --> 00:01:37.200 but there is evidence that it is here. 36 00:01:37.235 --> 00:01:38.719 - [Gord] The wildlife biologist 37 00:01:38.753 --> 00:01:42.171 is one of North America's best known Sasquatch researchers. 38 00:01:42.205 --> 00:01:44.138 He's here because many on the island 39 00:01:44.173 --> 00:01:46.865 in the community of Alert Bay are seeing 40 00:01:46.899 --> 00:01:48.763 [screaming] 41 00:01:48.798 --> 00:01:51.180 and hearing something they can't explain. 42 00:01:51.214 --> 00:01:52.698 - The vocalizations which we really 43 00:01:52.733 --> 00:01:56.323 can't attribute to wolves, coyotes, loons, owls, 44 00:01:56.357 --> 00:01:59.291 so it's in that area of possible Sasquatch. 45 00:01:59.326 --> 00:02:01.742 - While the howls and screams that have been heard 46 00:02:01.776 --> 00:02:03.019 throughout Alert Bay could be dismissed 47 00:02:03.053 --> 00:02:05.159 as simply animal noises, you have to keep in mind 48 00:02:05.194 --> 00:02:07.299 that Cormorant Island is a location 49 00:02:07.334 --> 00:02:08.887 where there is no wildlife. 50 00:02:08.921 --> 00:02:12.132 There's no bears, no cougars, not even any deer, 51 00:02:12.166 --> 00:02:13.823 and while you could dismiss the noises, 52 00:02:13.857 --> 00:02:15.721 there have been plenty of sightings. 53 00:02:15.756 --> 00:02:19.000 - One person that seen it, her father lives in Alert Bay, 54 00:02:19.035 --> 00:02:21.210 and she came up to visit her father, 55 00:02:21.244 --> 00:02:22.935 so she went up to the graveyard 56 00:02:22.970 --> 00:02:25.421 to pay respects to one of her family, 57 00:02:25.455 --> 00:02:27.008 and when she went up to the graveyard, 58 00:02:27.043 --> 00:02:28.493 she seen it standing there. 59 00:02:28.527 --> 00:02:30.219 She turned around and she got outta there right away. 60 00:02:30.253 --> 00:02:31.703 She didn't even go to the graveyard. 61 00:02:31.737 --> 00:02:33.946 - [Gord] And a more recent sighting when a group of teens 62 00:02:33.981 --> 00:02:36.363 were playing soccer near the band's big house, 63 00:02:36.397 --> 00:02:38.399 a large, upright creature moved quickly 64 00:02:38.434 --> 00:02:41.091 alongside the building, in just a few strides. 65 00:02:41.126 --> 00:02:42.955 - Yeah, they took off right away. 66 00:02:42.990 --> 00:02:46.200 They don't even stay there anymore after the dark. 67 00:02:46.235 --> 00:02:48.444 - The thing that's happening now 68 00:02:48.478 --> 00:02:52.551 is the dog's start answering it, and it quits. 69 00:02:52.586 --> 00:02:55.382 - I think it's more conceivable than people think, 70 00:02:55.416 --> 00:02:58.074 and more conceivable than I used to think, 71 00:02:58.108 --> 00:03:00.110 that a Sasquatch could be here, 72 00:03:00.145 --> 00:03:03.148 could only be being observed once every several years, 73 00:03:03.183 --> 00:03:05.771 a fleeting glimpse, but which is living. 74 00:03:07.256 --> 00:03:08.947 Well, I could probably get a record of its presence. 75 00:03:08.981 --> 00:03:10.673 - [Gord] That record, Bindernagel says, 76 00:03:10.707 --> 00:03:12.882 includes large footprints that have sometimes 77 00:03:12.916 --> 00:03:16.023 been photographed in different locations around the island. 78 00:03:16.057 --> 00:03:17.783 The creature has also been acknowledged 79 00:03:17.818 --> 00:03:20.855 in the first nation's culture for years as Zunaquas. 80 00:03:20.890 --> 00:03:23.375 He knows there are many skeptics, but he's confident 81 00:03:23.410 --> 00:03:25.688 one day, the mystery will be solved. 82 00:03:25.722 --> 00:03:27.966 Gord Kurbis, CTV News, Alert Bay. 83 00:03:29.657 --> 00:03:31.176 [eerie ambient music] 84 00:03:31.211 --> 00:03:32.971 - [Reporter] Now, we only have these still pictures for you. 85 00:03:33.005 --> 00:03:35.732 Japanese scientists spotted it about nine miles 86 00:03:35.767 --> 00:03:37.976 east of Chichi Island in the northern Pacific. 87 00:03:38.010 --> 00:03:42.601 They say it's up to 26 feet long, look at that, 88 00:03:42.636 --> 00:03:46.916 which is the length of four Kobe Bryants, or most-- 89 00:03:46.950 --> 00:03:49.263 - [Narrator] Over hundreds of years, the giant squid 90 00:03:49.298 --> 00:03:52.059 has been said to exist by the men of the sea. 91 00:03:53.198 --> 00:03:55.442 At first, the mainstream scientific community 92 00:03:55.476 --> 00:03:57.858 attacked the notion as a manifestation 93 00:03:57.892 --> 00:04:00.447 by the paranoid mind, a monster. 94 00:04:00.481 --> 00:04:03.035 However today, we know this creature to exist 95 00:04:03.070 --> 00:04:05.555 because the mainstream scientific community 96 00:04:05.590 --> 00:04:08.800 found corroborated trace evidence in whales. 97 00:04:10.146 --> 00:04:12.113 The Sasquatch has been said to exist 98 00:04:12.148 --> 00:04:15.876 for over hundreds of years by early native Canadian tribes. 99 00:04:17.153 --> 00:04:19.328 This has been corroborated by thousands 100 00:04:19.362 --> 00:04:23.401 of eye witness accounts by people across North America, 101 00:04:23.435 --> 00:04:27.439 and trace evidence has often been plentiful, but why? 102 00:04:28.578 --> 00:04:30.925 Why does the mainstream scientific community 103 00:04:30.960 --> 00:04:34.412 still not acknowledge the existence of this creature? 104 00:04:34.446 --> 00:04:36.586 [dramatic orchestral music] 105 00:04:36.621 --> 00:04:38.968 [screaming] 106 00:04:44.111 --> 00:04:47.287 [eerie ambient music] 107 00:04:51.187 --> 00:04:54.604 - This is actually modeled after a jaw, 108 00:04:56.054 --> 00:05:01.024 a fossil, that consists of only the body of the mandible 109 00:05:02.716 --> 00:05:07.479 and the teeth that it contained of Gigantopithecus blacki. 110 00:05:09.067 --> 00:05:13.451 This is an inferred reconstruction of Gigantopithecus, 111 00:05:14.590 --> 00:05:18.421 but Gigantopithecus has long been considered 112 00:05:18.456 --> 00:05:22.080 a sort of potential ancestor for Sasquatch. 113 00:05:22.114 --> 00:05:24.600 In short, it's the right size, and the right place, 114 00:05:24.634 --> 00:05:27.396 at the right time to potentially 115 00:05:27.430 --> 00:05:30.399 have expanded its range from eastern Asia 116 00:05:30.433 --> 00:05:33.540 into North America, and maybe, in fact, 117 00:05:33.574 --> 00:05:35.507 ancestral to Sasquatch. 118 00:05:35.542 --> 00:05:40.340 Its cranial proportions actually are remarkably similar 119 00:05:40.374 --> 00:05:43.481 to those seen on the Patterson-Gimlin film subject, 120 00:05:43.515 --> 00:05:47.243 which provides us a very convincing 121 00:05:47.277 --> 00:05:49.763 and compelling piece of photographic evidence. 122 00:05:49.797 --> 00:05:51.074 - [Narrator] For thousands of years, 123 00:05:51.109 --> 00:05:52.938 people from all around the world 124 00:05:52.973 --> 00:05:56.425 have heard tales of encounters with relic hominids. 125 00:05:56.459 --> 00:05:59.151 In other words, people have been stating that they 126 00:05:59.186 --> 00:06:02.465 have come across ape-like men long forgotten 127 00:06:02.500 --> 00:06:05.744 or thought to have been extinct in the deep wilderness. 128 00:06:05.779 --> 00:06:09.610 In North America, the most commonly known relic hominid 129 00:06:09.645 --> 00:06:12.441 is named Sasquatch or Bigfoot. 130 00:06:13.442 --> 00:06:16.410 [suspenseful music] 131 00:06:31.149 --> 00:06:34.842 - Well, in the mid 1930s, a jawbone was found 132 00:06:34.877 --> 00:06:36.948 in a cave in China. 133 00:06:36.982 --> 00:06:38.639 And an anthropologist looked at that 134 00:06:38.674 --> 00:06:41.953 and he says, "This is the jawbone of an ape, of a gorilla." 135 00:06:41.987 --> 00:06:43.886 Very large. 136 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.164 And because of the way the jaw was spread, 137 00:06:46.198 --> 00:06:48.546 he said that it also sets on a spine, 138 00:06:48.580 --> 00:06:51.065 meaning it walked upright, it wasn't a quadruped. 139 00:06:52.757 --> 00:06:54.275 They estimated that it probably 140 00:06:54.310 --> 00:06:57.175 would've been eight to 10 feet tall. 141 00:06:57.209 --> 00:06:59.280 They had teeth, had some of the teeth 142 00:06:59.315 --> 00:07:00.627 still in the lower jawbone. 143 00:07:00.661 --> 00:07:04.354 They found teeth, over in China in the shops, 144 00:07:04.389 --> 00:07:07.254 they were grinding 'em up, these fossilized teeth, 145 00:07:07.288 --> 00:07:08.945 and using 'em for medicine. 146 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:11.223 Very interesting, because our continent 147 00:07:11.258 --> 00:07:13.467 was connected with China at one time. 148 00:07:13.502 --> 00:07:14.882 That was the only one at the time. 149 00:07:14.917 --> 00:07:17.471 Since then, four more jawbones have been found 150 00:07:17.506 --> 00:07:20.474 between Vietnam, India, and China, 151 00:07:20.509 --> 00:07:23.650 so these things were spread out over a long distance, 152 00:07:23.684 --> 00:07:25.721 and the first one I think they dated back 153 00:07:26.894 --> 00:07:27.792 half a million years, must've went extinct 154 00:07:27.826 --> 00:07:29.414 half a million years ago. 155 00:07:29.449 --> 00:07:32.624 The next one was like 300,000, then 200,000 156 00:07:32.659 --> 00:07:34.315 then down to 100,000. 157 00:07:34.350 --> 00:07:35.524 Every time they find a newer one, 158 00:07:35.558 --> 00:07:37.042 okay, it went extinct then. 159 00:07:37.077 --> 00:07:42.082 John Green once said, "Of all the things people describe, 160 00:07:43.359 --> 00:07:46.086 they have an amazing similarity in their description 161 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.675 of what they're seein', what they could make up, 162 00:07:48.709 --> 00:07:50.470 and what they're seeing." 163 00:07:50.504 --> 00:07:53.507 They describe this upright, large, bipedal ape. 164 00:07:53.542 --> 00:07:56.786 - There was a huge higher primate. 165 00:07:57.925 --> 00:08:00.031 - [Interviewer] Is that the Gigantopithecus? 166 00:08:00.065 --> 00:08:01.550 - Yeah. 167 00:08:01.584 --> 00:08:05.519 About three or four jawbones, 168 00:08:05.554 --> 00:08:07.107 and hundreds of teeth in China. 169 00:08:08.488 --> 00:08:13.458 Lived til, let's say about 100,000 years ago more or less. 170 00:08:15.909 --> 00:08:18.567 There's nothing to say it isn't still alive today. 171 00:08:19.982 --> 00:08:23.399 - So now, we don't have to make up a creature to fit it. 172 00:08:23.433 --> 00:08:26.091 We have one that we thought was extinct. 173 00:08:27.921 --> 00:08:30.302 Hair samples have been found, they've been turned in. 174 00:08:30.337 --> 00:08:32.477 They call him an unclassified primate. 175 00:08:32.512 --> 00:08:35.342 They don't really have anything to match him to. 176 00:08:35.376 --> 00:08:38.483 Well, about a year or so ago, 177 00:08:38.518 --> 00:08:40.727 DNA has finally gotten to the point 178 00:08:40.761 --> 00:08:43.143 they've been able to extract DNA from a fossil. 179 00:08:44.316 --> 00:08:46.456 - This is all hair, and that's hair, yep. 180 00:08:47.596 --> 00:08:48.942 - [Man] Can we take this and get it analyzed? 181 00:08:48.976 --> 00:08:50.219 - [Man] You betcha. 182 00:08:50.253 --> 00:08:51.703 - [Man] So we had the stuff analyzed 183 00:08:51.738 --> 00:08:52.946 and New York City Laboratory, 184 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:55.120 said it was just like human hair, 185 00:08:55.155 --> 00:08:57.019 but that doesn't necessarily prove 186 00:08:57.053 --> 00:09:00.332 it didn't come from Bigfoot, a human-like creature. 187 00:09:00.367 --> 00:09:05.303 - It's got to get recognized eventually but, from DNA. 188 00:09:09.203 --> 00:09:11.585 Now, they're getting DNA from teeth 189 00:09:12.966 --> 00:09:15.555 that we would've considered would just be stone. 190 00:09:19.835 --> 00:09:21.906 Since this is possible, 191 00:09:23.355 --> 00:09:25.599 why on earth aren't they studying this? 192 00:09:25.634 --> 00:09:28.947 - Now because we have hair samples 193 00:09:28.982 --> 00:09:31.260 that have been called unknown primates, 194 00:09:31.294 --> 00:09:34.021 there's no classification to put 'em to, 195 00:09:34.056 --> 00:09:37.024 I am hoping they will be able to get some of these teeth. 196 00:09:37.059 --> 00:09:40.510 'Cause now we're 4,000 teeth since the early finding 197 00:09:40.545 --> 00:09:43.617 of the first jawbone have been collected, 198 00:09:43.652 --> 00:09:48.622 and I'm hoping one of 'em will be early enough 199 00:09:50.072 --> 00:09:52.212 to our time, that they'll be able to get DNA from it. 200 00:09:52.246 --> 00:09:54.214 If they do, and they could match that 201 00:09:54.248 --> 00:09:56.768 to the hair samples of this unknown primate, 202 00:09:56.803 --> 00:10:00.738 then science will tell us exactly what a Sasquatch was. 203 00:10:00.772 --> 00:10:01.980 They didn't go extinct. 204 00:10:02.015 --> 00:10:04.949 This is what people have been saying for years. 205 00:10:04.983 --> 00:10:07.365 On the A&E Bigfoot special, they mentioned 206 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.609 that not even 1,000 years ago, 207 00:10:11.024 --> 00:10:12.819 when the first Norsemen landed in the east coast, 208 00:10:12.853 --> 00:10:15.166 they were writing about these hair-covered creatures 209 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:16.305 that would come out at night 210 00:10:16.339 --> 00:10:17.547 'cause they'd caught it, 211 00:10:17.582 --> 00:10:19.895 doing most of their work mostly at night, 212 00:10:19.929 --> 00:10:21.172 were stealing salmon from the nets, 213 00:10:21.206 --> 00:10:23.105 you could always tell when they were around, 214 00:10:23.139 --> 00:10:25.555 they had this smell, they're describing a Sasquatch. 215 00:10:25.590 --> 00:10:29.352 The natives along the shoreline who can't even speak 216 00:10:30.388 --> 00:10:32.804 their language at the same time, 217 00:10:32.839 --> 00:10:35.220 in their folklore they're writing about the same creature. 218 00:10:35.255 --> 00:10:38.465 I find that interesting that not 1,000 years ago, 219 00:10:38.499 --> 00:10:40.847 two civilizations in the same area 220 00:10:40.881 --> 00:10:45.714 are talking about something that could very well fit 221 00:10:45.748 --> 00:10:50.719 the Sasquatch, this hairy upright, man-like creature. 222 00:10:51.651 --> 00:10:53.618 I find that very compelling. 223 00:10:53.653 --> 00:10:54.930 - [Interviewer] So you believe it's a creature 224 00:10:54.964 --> 00:10:57.726 that hasn't actually gone extinct, 225 00:10:57.760 --> 00:11:01.350 co-existing with humanity throughout our history, 226 00:11:01.384 --> 00:11:03.628 probably even older than humanity? 227 00:11:03.663 --> 00:11:05.112 - Yeah, that's right, because 228 00:11:06.458 --> 00:11:09.220 so many descriptions where people 229 00:11:09.254 --> 00:11:10.911 have seen 'em in their headlights, 230 00:11:10.946 --> 00:11:12.810 even police officers in their spotlights 231 00:11:12.844 --> 00:11:15.813 have claimed to have seen 'em at night on patrols. 232 00:11:15.847 --> 00:11:19.333 They claim they have this eye glow, this eye shine. 233 00:11:19.368 --> 00:11:21.197 I asked the late Grover Krantz, 234 00:11:21.232 --> 00:11:23.717 anthropologist from Washington. 235 00:11:23.752 --> 00:11:25.650 I asked the current anthropologist 236 00:11:25.685 --> 00:11:27.928 from Idaho State University, Jeff Meldrum, 237 00:11:27.963 --> 00:11:32.450 has man ever had nocturnal capabilities? 238 00:11:32.484 --> 00:11:33.727 Would they have eye shine? 239 00:11:33.762 --> 00:11:35.211 And they said there's nothing in the record 240 00:11:35.246 --> 00:11:38.870 to substantiate that that ever happened. 241 00:11:38.905 --> 00:11:42.529 I put on a monkey suit, my eyes are still human. 242 00:11:42.563 --> 00:11:44.048 They don't glow. 243 00:11:44.082 --> 00:11:47.914 The Sasquatch, the light hits its eyes, they glow 244 00:11:47.948 --> 00:11:49.985 like a coyote, like a bear. 245 00:11:50.019 --> 00:11:52.263 - So in addition to their size and their hairiness, 246 00:11:52.297 --> 00:11:53.713 there are a number of other features 247 00:11:53.747 --> 00:11:55.611 that distinguish Sasquatch from humans. 248 00:11:55.645 --> 00:11:58.752 If we just start at the top and work our way 249 00:11:58.787 --> 00:12:02.791 right down the anatomy, they have a cranial capacity 250 00:12:02.825 --> 00:12:04.896 it appears that would be on par with that 251 00:12:04.931 --> 00:12:07.174 of a gorilla or chimpanzee, 252 00:12:07.209 --> 00:12:11.247 is appropriate for the types of behaviors 253 00:12:11.282 --> 00:12:16.287 and the lack of an archeological record that we see. 254 00:12:17.633 --> 00:12:22.534 They seem to be distinguished by an extremely robust 255 00:12:24.088 --> 00:12:26.849 chewing apparatus, the masticatory apparatus, 256 00:12:28.264 --> 00:12:31.164 which has frequently been a point of divergence 257 00:12:31.198 --> 00:12:32.993 between hominid lineages. 258 00:12:33.856 --> 00:12:35.685 The grass owl versus the robust, 259 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:37.826 referring to the chewing apparatus. 260 00:12:37.860 --> 00:12:41.174 The jaws of the Sasquatch are extremely deep, 261 00:12:41.208 --> 00:12:43.797 extremely heavy, heavily muscled, 262 00:12:43.832 --> 00:12:48.215 so we the suggestion in some descriptions 263 00:12:48.250 --> 00:12:53.220 of a peaked head, resulting form sagittal crest, 264 00:12:54.428 --> 00:12:57.017 which is simply a buttressing of bone 265 00:12:57.052 --> 00:13:00.538 that provides additional surface area 266 00:13:00.572 --> 00:13:03.472 for the attachment of very powerful temporalis muscles here. 267 00:13:04.818 --> 00:13:07.994 And the large, high cheekbones, flaring outward 268 00:13:08.028 --> 00:13:10.065 for the attachment of the masseter muscles, 269 00:13:10.099 --> 00:13:12.377 the two principle chewing muscles 270 00:13:12.412 --> 00:13:14.552 of the masticatory system. 271 00:13:16.554 --> 00:13:21.386 Also, along with that, we see a lack of projecting canines, 272 00:13:21.421 --> 00:13:25.805 which, if we were envisioning a Hollywood monster, 273 00:13:25.839 --> 00:13:30.810 like King Kong, a giant gorilla-like ape, 274 00:13:32.190 --> 00:13:34.089 that's one of the hallmarks of the large hominids, 275 00:13:34.123 --> 00:13:37.609 chimps, gorillas, orangs, is these projecting canines, 276 00:13:37.644 --> 00:13:40.889 but these projecting canines can provide 277 00:13:40.923 --> 00:13:45.859 a sort of interlocking nature to the jaws, 278 00:13:45.894 --> 00:13:48.137 which prevents the side to side motion 279 00:13:48.172 --> 00:13:50.830 that is usually associated with dentition 280 00:13:51.969 --> 00:13:55.800 bearing extremely thickly enameled teeth 281 00:13:55.835 --> 00:13:57.733 for heavy chewing. 282 00:13:57.767 --> 00:13:59.873 The type of dentition you might expect 283 00:13:59.908 --> 00:14:01.875 for a large omnivorous primate 284 00:14:01.910 --> 00:14:04.015 in a temperate climate, temperate forest. 285 00:14:05.223 --> 00:14:08.157 We work our way down and we come to, 286 00:14:08.192 --> 00:14:10.021 well there's often been the description 287 00:14:10.056 --> 00:14:13.473 of a lack of a neck, or no visible neck. 288 00:14:13.507 --> 00:14:15.785 And that correlates or that is associated 289 00:14:15.820 --> 00:14:17.442 with the very deep jaws. 290 00:14:17.477 --> 00:14:20.307 Where you have a small brain case 291 00:14:20.342 --> 00:14:23.034 coupled with very very deep jaws. 292 00:14:23.069 --> 00:14:25.899 The distance that is traversed by those seven 293 00:14:25.934 --> 00:14:29.316 cervial vertebrae is pretty much covered up by 294 00:14:29.351 --> 00:14:31.905 the very deep deep jaws. 295 00:14:31.940 --> 00:14:33.734 So there is a neck, of course there's a neck, 296 00:14:33.769 --> 00:14:38.774 but it is obscured anteriorly by the deep jaws 297 00:14:39.948 --> 00:14:44.090 and posteriorly by the massive neck muscles 298 00:14:44.124 --> 00:14:49.129 that must counterbalance the weight of that heavy face. 299 00:14:50.337 --> 00:14:53.444 Our skull, if I can grab an example here 300 00:14:53.478 --> 00:14:57.379 is balanced quite nicely over this foramen magnum 301 00:14:57.413 --> 00:15:01.590 because of our enlarged cranial area for the brain 302 00:15:01.624 --> 00:15:04.558 and our reduced face, it's easy, 303 00:15:04.593 --> 00:15:07.216 sometimes my students can master the art 304 00:15:07.251 --> 00:15:10.806 of falling asleep, and their head balances quite nicely 305 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.051 on that, poised on that spine. 306 00:15:14.085 --> 00:15:19.090 But for a gorilla, or any animal that has much larger jaws, 307 00:15:20.505 --> 00:15:23.750 projecting lower face, and not that the Sasquatch 308 00:15:23.784 --> 00:15:25.648 necessarily has a projected face, 309 00:15:25.683 --> 00:15:28.720 but the deep jaws are much heavier 310 00:15:28.755 --> 00:15:33.760 than this small cranial space for the brain. 311 00:15:34.934 --> 00:15:39.179 And so it responds to that to balance the head 312 00:15:39.214 --> 00:15:42.389 over the spine, there's this area back here 313 00:15:42.424 --> 00:15:45.082 for the attachment of neck muscles, 314 00:15:45.116 --> 00:15:46.186 neck and shoulder muscles, 315 00:15:46.221 --> 00:15:47.877 so just the trapezius. 316 00:15:49.327 --> 00:15:52.123 And when you look at, for example, 317 00:15:52.158 --> 00:15:54.781 the subject on the Patterson-Gimlin film, 318 00:15:54.815 --> 00:15:58.785 this trapezius forms this large, almost cape-like structure 319 00:15:58.819 --> 00:16:00.925 that flutters out to the broad shoulders. 320 00:16:02.547 --> 00:16:05.861 And so from behind there's very little visible neck. 321 00:16:07.380 --> 00:16:10.003 We work our way down and the Sasquatch, as I said, 322 00:16:10.038 --> 00:16:12.281 seems to be very massive, 323 00:16:12.316 --> 00:16:16.147 not only tall, but the mature adults 324 00:16:16.182 --> 00:16:20.013 are very very broad and thick, 325 00:16:20.048 --> 00:16:24.604 probably to provide capacity for a large gut, 326 00:16:26.088 --> 00:16:30.299 since their diet would consist of a lot of roughage 327 00:16:30.334 --> 00:16:32.922 as well as probably meat, 328 00:16:32.957 --> 00:16:34.994 in that we think that they're omnivorous. 329 00:16:36.443 --> 00:16:37.444 If we look at their hands, 330 00:16:37.479 --> 00:16:38.652 one of the distinguishing features, 331 00:16:38.687 --> 00:16:40.689 which again, correlates well with the lack 332 00:16:40.723 --> 00:16:43.968 of stone tools and other material culture, 333 00:16:44.003 --> 00:16:48.869 is a relatively non-opposed thumb. 334 00:16:48.904 --> 00:16:52.425 A divergent thumb, but one that is not rotated 90 degrees 335 00:16:52.459 --> 00:16:56.946 to provide for the precision opposition type of grip, 336 00:16:56.981 --> 00:17:01.572 which is critical for, not only the manufacture of tools, 337 00:17:02.987 --> 00:17:07.440 but the manipulation of fine tools, cutting blades, 338 00:17:07.474 --> 00:17:08.889 and so forth. 339 00:17:08.924 --> 00:17:13.342 Instead, their thumb faces relatively in the same direction 340 00:17:13.377 --> 00:17:15.758 as the other digits, and therefore, 341 00:17:15.793 --> 00:17:17.519 they lack, in their handprints, 342 00:17:17.553 --> 00:17:20.453 this developed fenar eminence. 343 00:17:20.487 --> 00:17:23.180 The musculature that is involved in those movements 344 00:17:23.214 --> 00:17:24.733 of opposition. 345 00:17:24.767 --> 00:17:27.356 Which, when they're atrophied in the human, 346 00:17:27.391 --> 00:17:29.979 are turned an ape-hand, interestingly enough. 347 00:17:32.258 --> 00:17:36.814 Of course, my interest is focused primarily on the feet 348 00:17:36.848 --> 00:17:41.853 and the footprints that are left by those feet, 349 00:17:43.062 --> 00:17:45.167 and these point to other distinguishing features 350 00:17:45.202 --> 00:17:49.758 that set this creature off from the human condition. 351 00:17:49.792 --> 00:17:52.795 These footprints are not merely enlarged facsimiles 352 00:17:52.830 --> 00:17:54.452 of the human footprint, 353 00:17:54.487 --> 00:17:57.835 which is characterized by a distinctive longitudinal arch, 354 00:17:57.869 --> 00:17:59.112 which gives that footprint 355 00:17:59.147 --> 00:18:02.081 its distinctive hourglass appearance. 356 00:18:02.115 --> 00:18:04.566 But instead, they're very flat and flexible. 357 00:18:04.600 --> 00:18:08.259 They have retained a degree of mid-foot flexibility 358 00:18:08.294 --> 00:18:10.261 through the transverse tarsal joint 359 00:18:10.296 --> 00:18:12.470 that is a hallmark of the anthropoid ape, 360 00:18:12.505 --> 00:18:17.165 the ape, grasp-climbing adaptation, 361 00:18:17.199 --> 00:18:19.581 characterized by a large big toe 362 00:18:19.615 --> 00:18:21.652 that diverges from the others 363 00:18:21.686 --> 00:18:25.311 and can grasp a vertical support, going up, 364 00:18:25.345 --> 00:18:28.072 sort of decoupling the prehensile portion 365 00:18:28.107 --> 00:18:30.178 from the propulsive portion of the foot. 366 00:18:31.386 --> 00:18:35.217 But this is also a useful adaptation 367 00:18:35.252 --> 00:18:39.290 for negotiating steep rugged broken mountainsides 368 00:18:39.325 --> 00:18:42.224 in a temperate coniferous forest. 369 00:18:44.330 --> 00:18:48.817 So even with a lack of a strongly divergent big toe, 370 00:18:48.851 --> 00:18:53.408 that flexibility then allows for longer grasping digits 371 00:18:53.442 --> 00:18:55.927 and for the powerful propulsion, 372 00:18:55.962 --> 00:19:00.069 provided by the enlarged and elongated heel bone 373 00:19:00.104 --> 00:19:02.969 that seem to be characteristic of the Sasquatch foot. 374 00:19:03.003 --> 00:19:05.558 So, it's an elegant adaptation for a large, 375 00:19:05.592 --> 00:19:10.321 heavy exo-morphic bipedal primate 376 00:19:11.771 --> 00:19:16.327 that is traveling up and down very steep and rugged 377 00:19:17.086 --> 00:19:18.433 mountainous terrain. 378 00:19:18.467 --> 00:19:20.228 If we return to the head region, 379 00:19:20.262 --> 00:19:23.162 we can look at some of the special senses, 380 00:19:23.196 --> 00:19:25.578 and there does seem to be evidence that Sasquatch 381 00:19:25.612 --> 00:19:27.476 are nocturnal. 382 00:19:27.511 --> 00:19:29.616 They're capable of moving around at night. 383 00:19:29.651 --> 00:19:33.137 Now whether they have night vision, 384 00:19:33.172 --> 00:19:36.830 whether they have a reflecting membrane, 385 00:19:36.865 --> 00:19:39.178 the tapetum lucidum, in their eye, 386 00:19:39.212 --> 00:19:42.422 which would be an unusual sort of reversion 387 00:19:42.457 --> 00:19:44.700 to a more primitive primate condition. 388 00:19:44.735 --> 00:19:47.358 Not out of the question, but it could just simply be 389 00:19:47.393 --> 00:19:51.086 a matter of their increased body size 390 00:19:51.120 --> 00:19:53.813 with eyes that have scaled isometrically. 391 00:19:55.435 --> 00:19:57.437 So all those things together, you know, 392 00:19:57.472 --> 00:20:00.509 the Sasquatch really only resembles us 393 00:20:00.544 --> 00:20:02.649 in its habit of standing on two legs. 394 00:20:04.306 --> 00:20:07.689 Beyond that, it differs from the human condition 395 00:20:07.723 --> 00:20:10.209 in almost every aspect. 396 00:20:12.176 --> 00:20:14.696 - [Interviewer] And the other things that people describe 397 00:20:14.730 --> 00:20:16.249 if they've seen one, 398 00:20:17.388 --> 00:20:20.011 I've heard people describe that they have 399 00:20:20.046 --> 00:20:21.944 a certain smell or odor. 400 00:20:21.979 --> 00:20:23.429 - Sure. 401 00:20:23.463 --> 00:20:24.499 - [Interviewer] I know it's silly, but it's something- 402 00:20:24.533 --> 00:20:27.191 - No, it's perfect naturally. 403 00:20:27.226 --> 00:20:30.159 The same thing applies to other great apes and humans 404 00:20:30.194 --> 00:20:31.540 for that matter. 405 00:20:31.575 --> 00:20:35.924 If we didn't have the hygiene practices 406 00:20:35.958 --> 00:20:40.480 that modern Western people employ. 407 00:20:41.930 --> 00:20:44.795 - You're lookin' over about, oh, almost 20 kilometers 408 00:20:44.829 --> 00:20:48.177 up Harrison lake, at the 20 mile point actually. 409 00:20:48.212 --> 00:20:50.973 That is Long Island out there in the lake, 410 00:20:51.008 --> 00:20:53.459 the west side, and if you look up towards, you can see 411 00:20:53.493 --> 00:20:56.496 the entrance to the Silver River Estuary right there. 412 00:20:56.531 --> 00:20:58.187 It's a little obscured by the clouds now, 413 00:20:58.222 --> 00:20:59.706 but you would see Mount Breakenridge, 414 00:20:59.741 --> 00:21:03.020 which is a dormant volcano here on the lake, 415 00:21:03.054 --> 00:21:04.470 and beyond that Stokke Creek, 416 00:21:04.504 --> 00:21:07.611 where that famous incident occurred in the 1970s. 417 00:21:07.645 --> 00:21:10.717 Harrison Lake is about 40 miles long. 418 00:21:10.752 --> 00:21:13.375 It's about three miles wide at its widest point, 419 00:21:13.410 --> 00:21:15.135 it's extremely deep. 420 00:21:15.170 --> 00:21:18.415 And of course, it's smack dab in the middle 421 00:21:18.449 --> 00:21:20.624 of the heart of where the Sasquatch 422 00:21:20.658 --> 00:21:23.523 and the Sasquatch legend really was born, 423 00:21:23.558 --> 00:21:25.594 and is continued to this day. 424 00:21:25.629 --> 00:21:28.632 - Well there seems to be a very good ecological correlation 425 00:21:28.666 --> 00:21:31.566 between credible Sasquatch reports 426 00:21:31.600 --> 00:21:34.396 and habitat type and rainfall. 427 00:21:34.431 --> 00:21:39.436 If you look at a clinal map showing 18 plus inches 428 00:21:40.851 --> 00:21:43.785 of annual precipitation, that pretty much encompasses 429 00:21:43.819 --> 00:21:48.790 all of the habitat that we find credible Sasquatch reports. 430 00:21:50.378 --> 00:21:54.692 British Columbia has that nature of habitat, 431 00:21:54.727 --> 00:21:56.211 moist, wet forest. 432 00:21:56.245 --> 00:21:58.834 In fact, the west coast of British Columbia 433 00:21:58.869 --> 00:22:03.770 and even inland at the continental divide 434 00:22:05.185 --> 00:22:07.360 boasts some of the largest temperate rain forests 435 00:22:07.395 --> 00:22:08.327 on the continent. 436 00:22:09.707 --> 00:22:12.814 It's my personal opinion that the temperate rain forests 437 00:22:12.848 --> 00:22:16.335 were the initial core habitat of this creature, 438 00:22:18.613 --> 00:22:22.168 and they have since spread out to occupy 439 00:22:22.202 --> 00:22:26.103 much more diverse habitats, much like the black bear. 440 00:22:26.137 --> 00:22:29.417 In fact, if you look at the range of distribution 441 00:22:29.451 --> 00:22:31.764 of the black bear in North America, 442 00:22:31.798 --> 00:22:33.835 it's remarkably similar to what we think 443 00:22:33.869 --> 00:22:37.217 is a reasonable range distribution for Sasquatch. 444 00:22:37.252 --> 00:22:42.257 But if we look at the habitat across British Columbia, 445 00:22:43.672 --> 00:22:45.709 there are vast areas with very little human population 446 00:22:47.124 --> 00:22:50.403 that almost certainly harbor Sasquatch. 447 00:22:50.438 --> 00:22:52.957 - [Narrator] In the '80s, could researcher Grover Krantz 448 00:22:52.992 --> 00:22:55.684 have set the stage for the most credible evidence 449 00:22:55.719 --> 00:22:56.996 in regards to this study? 450 00:22:57.030 --> 00:23:00.344 - [Jack] To your right, my left, Grover Krantz, 451 00:23:00.379 --> 00:23:02.898 again, for our viewers, professor of anthropology 452 00:23:02.933 --> 00:23:06.350 at Washington State University, author on this subject. 453 00:23:07.455 --> 00:23:10.112 Tell our viewers, what has convinced you 454 00:23:10.147 --> 00:23:12.598 that yes, there is a Bigfoot? 455 00:23:12.632 --> 00:23:14.427 - Well the first thing that convinced me 456 00:23:14.462 --> 00:23:17.672 was back in 1970 when I saw and studied 457 00:23:17.706 --> 00:23:20.295 a pair of footprint casts 458 00:23:20.329 --> 00:23:23.781 from up in the northeastern corner of Washington, 459 00:23:23.816 --> 00:23:26.370 and this was one we refer to now as cripple foot, 460 00:23:26.405 --> 00:23:28.441 the right foot was badly crippled 461 00:23:28.476 --> 00:23:32.065 and I tried to reconstruct the likely bone structure. 462 00:23:32.100 --> 00:23:34.965 At the time, I didn't think it was very likely even real, 463 00:23:34.999 --> 00:23:36.380 but when I reconstructed it, 464 00:23:36.415 --> 00:23:38.486 I found out it was exactly the kind of design 465 00:23:38.520 --> 00:23:41.454 that would be necessary for an eight foot tall creature 466 00:23:41.489 --> 00:23:44.250 with an otherwise human body design, 467 00:23:44.284 --> 00:23:46.735 and I figured nobody could've figured this out. 468 00:23:46.770 --> 00:23:48.496 - [Jack] And this, you say it's the casts 469 00:23:48.530 --> 00:23:50.187 that have convinced you? 470 00:23:50.221 --> 00:23:52.258 - Yes, not just that they are casts, 471 00:23:52.292 --> 00:23:54.467 but in some of them I can see some details 472 00:23:54.502 --> 00:23:57.366 of anatomy that I figured nobody else 473 00:23:57.401 --> 00:23:59.576 could've plotted from nothing. 474 00:23:59.610 --> 00:24:02.475 I see them in the footprints and I figure, 475 00:24:02.510 --> 00:24:04.063 if somebody faked those, he had to know more 476 00:24:04.097 --> 00:24:05.478 about human anatomy than I do, 477 00:24:05.513 --> 00:24:08.032 and a more inventive mind than mine, 478 00:24:08.067 --> 00:24:10.034 and I don't think there is anybody like that. 479 00:24:10.069 --> 00:24:11.415 - Bossburg Cripple Foot. 480 00:24:11.450 --> 00:24:13.279 It still remains one of the most interesting, 481 00:24:13.313 --> 00:24:14.832 I think, one of the most interesting cases. 482 00:24:14.867 --> 00:24:17.421 So here's a pair of tracks that were cast 483 00:24:17.456 --> 00:24:20.735 in Bossburg, Washington, up near the Canadian border 484 00:24:20.769 --> 00:24:22.771 in northeastern Washington state. 485 00:24:22.806 --> 00:24:26.775 This foot's quite normal, a normal, healthy Sasquatch, 486 00:24:26.810 --> 00:24:27.811 let's put it that way. 487 00:24:27.845 --> 00:24:29.260 [laughs] 488 00:24:29.295 --> 00:24:32.505 But this one shows some remarkable pathologies to it. 489 00:24:32.540 --> 00:24:35.474 It was either the result of a crushing injury 490 00:24:35.508 --> 00:24:38.960 in adulthood, or it could've been 491 00:24:38.994 --> 00:24:43.999 a neuropathy, a spinal cord lesion, say, 492 00:24:45.173 --> 00:24:47.244 that caused damage down the nerves 493 00:24:47.278 --> 00:24:49.798 to the distal features, and then caused 494 00:24:49.833 --> 00:24:54.078 the soft tissues to pull the foot into a contorted posture. 495 00:24:54.113 --> 00:24:57.012 You can see the toes are pushed out of alignment, 496 00:24:57.047 --> 00:24:58.566 and bent off at odd angles. 497 00:24:58.600 --> 00:25:00.740 The third toe's probably just simply 498 00:25:00.775 --> 00:25:03.329 pushed up out of alignment with the other toes 499 00:25:03.363 --> 00:25:05.124 so that it doesn't leave an imprint, 500 00:25:05.158 --> 00:25:08.714 but really telling here are these two bulges on this side. 501 00:25:08.748 --> 00:25:12.580 Now the position of these bulges, in a modern human, 502 00:25:12.614 --> 00:25:16.515 would be way back here on a foot of this length, 503 00:25:16.549 --> 00:25:21.105 because we have a disproportionately shorter calcaneus. 504 00:25:21.140 --> 00:25:22.900 The greatly elongated calcaneus 505 00:25:22.935 --> 00:25:25.524 for greater leverage of massive weight, 506 00:25:25.558 --> 00:25:27.491 corresponding to the massive weight of this creature, 507 00:25:27.526 --> 00:25:30.839 displaces these landmarks more distally 508 00:25:30.874 --> 00:25:32.531 or further down the foot. 509 00:25:32.565 --> 00:25:37.328 The possibility, or the probability, let's put it that way. 510 00:25:37.363 --> 00:25:40.228 The probability that a hoaxer would stumble on 511 00:25:40.262 --> 00:25:45.267 a representation of this pathology, 512 00:25:46.475 --> 00:25:49.271 which, to an orthopedic surgeon or a podiatrist, 513 00:25:49.306 --> 00:25:51.135 seems quite natural. 514 00:25:51.170 --> 00:25:56.175 For someone to have, in 1972 especially, 515 00:25:57.556 --> 00:26:00.248 to have concocted something that was so convincing 516 00:26:00.282 --> 00:26:04.148 and to have incorporated this particular pathology 517 00:26:05.218 --> 00:26:09.637 in a divergent location, or an anomalous, 518 00:26:09.671 --> 00:26:12.605 let's put it that way, an anomalous location 519 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:16.402 vis-a-vis a human foot, but in precisely the right place 520 00:26:16.436 --> 00:26:21.165 for it to correspond with the position of that joint 521 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.445 in other examples of mid-foot flexibility, 522 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.000 it just defies imagination. 523 00:26:28.034 --> 00:26:30.796 - [Jack] What is the name of the famous videotape 524 00:26:31.969 --> 00:26:33.730 that our viewers are about to see? 525 00:26:33.764 --> 00:26:35.248 - Okay, that's sometimes referred to as 526 00:26:35.283 --> 00:26:36.974 the Patterson-Gimlin film. 527 00:26:37.009 --> 00:26:38.458 - [Jack] The Patterson film. 528 00:26:38.493 --> 00:26:41.634 And I would ask staff there to please roll this, 529 00:26:41.669 --> 00:26:43.774 and if you would narrate for our viewers, 530 00:26:43.809 --> 00:26:45.569 and tell us, what are we about to see? 531 00:26:45.604 --> 00:26:47.053 What is this video? 532 00:26:47.088 --> 00:26:48.296 - [Grover] There's an animal walking through the forest 533 00:26:48.330 --> 00:26:50.643 at this slightly advanced speed. 534 00:26:50.678 --> 00:26:52.127 - [Jack] What forest, where? 535 00:26:52.162 --> 00:26:54.543 - [Grover] In northwestern California, Bluff Creek. 536 00:26:54.578 --> 00:26:58.168 - You're talking about the Roger Patterson film of 1967. 537 00:26:59.376 --> 00:27:01.827 Documentaries talk about that film all the time, 538 00:27:01.861 --> 00:27:05.485 but they terribly mistake the evidence as it happened. 539 00:27:05.520 --> 00:27:08.488 They were down there for nearly three weeks, 540 00:27:08.523 --> 00:27:12.147 as it's been told, and hadn't found any prints, 541 00:27:12.182 --> 00:27:17.083 and one morning, Bob and Roger went up into Bluff Creek 542 00:27:17.118 --> 00:27:18.291 where they'd been before, 543 00:27:18.326 --> 00:27:19.568 and they've been all over the place. 544 00:27:19.603 --> 00:27:22.261 They had to say, "Where are we gonna go today?" 545 00:27:22.295 --> 00:27:23.849 They decided to go up into Bluff Creek 546 00:27:23.883 --> 00:27:25.402 and that's when they rounded that bend 547 00:27:25.436 --> 00:27:27.680 up in Bluff Creek on the sandbar. 548 00:27:27.715 --> 00:27:31.546 There was a downfall tree, the tree had a root system 549 00:27:31.580 --> 00:27:32.789 that was standing there, probably eight, 550 00:27:32.823 --> 00:27:35.515 nine feet high as Bob describes it. 551 00:27:35.550 --> 00:27:38.242 Roger was just ahead of him on his horse. 552 00:27:38.277 --> 00:27:40.486 Bob's pullin' the pack horse, and he's on his horse, 553 00:27:40.520 --> 00:27:42.177 but he's got a much bigger horse. 554 00:27:42.212 --> 00:27:44.110 Roger rode a little horse, I always tease 555 00:27:44.145 --> 00:27:46.112 and say the size of a great dane. 556 00:27:46.147 --> 00:27:48.080 Roger was a little guy. 557 00:27:48.114 --> 00:27:49.840 So anyway, Roger rounds the bend 558 00:27:49.875 --> 00:27:52.429 and when he does, his horse goes crazy, 559 00:27:52.463 --> 00:27:55.052 and Roger notices off by the creek 560 00:27:55.087 --> 00:27:58.124 there's a creature squatted there, covered with hair. 561 00:27:59.539 --> 00:28:02.301 He pulls his horse down, tries to control it. 562 00:28:02.335 --> 00:28:05.235 He gets off of it, he gets his foot hung up in the stirrup, 563 00:28:05.269 --> 00:28:07.824 frees himself, and he had his camera in the saddle bag 564 00:28:07.858 --> 00:28:09.860 in case they saw tracks. 565 00:28:09.895 --> 00:28:11.690 He grabs the camera, it's one of those old 566 00:28:11.724 --> 00:28:15.003 hand-wound cameras, and he takes off running for it 567 00:28:15.038 --> 00:28:16.625 and tells Bob to cover him. 568 00:28:16.660 --> 00:28:19.352 The creature, by then, when Bob come around and seen it, 569 00:28:19.387 --> 00:28:21.389 when all this is going on with Roger's horse, 570 00:28:21.423 --> 00:28:22.873 it was standing. 571 00:28:22.908 --> 00:28:24.944 What had happened, Roger Patterson had an interest 572 00:28:24.979 --> 00:28:28.016 in the Sasquatch for about seven years or more. 573 00:28:28.051 --> 00:28:31.295 He'd been out looking for evidence, looking for tracks, 574 00:28:31.330 --> 00:28:35.714 and gathering reports, and then in the summer of 1967, 575 00:28:37.543 --> 00:28:39.234 on Onion Mountain, there were some tracks 576 00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:40.511 that had been found. 577 00:28:40.546 --> 00:28:42.755 They were building roads at that time up through, 578 00:28:42.790 --> 00:28:45.482 making a highway north up through Bluff Creek 579 00:28:45.516 --> 00:28:48.312 and on up the west coast. 580 00:28:49.486 --> 00:28:53.904 So John Green went down to see these tracks. 581 00:28:53.939 --> 00:28:56.320 John Green's a local man, lived here, 582 00:28:57.736 --> 00:29:00.117 and when he got there, the tracks had pretty much 583 00:29:00.152 --> 00:29:01.532 been back bladed, and there was only a few left. 584 00:29:01.567 --> 00:29:04.156 Well, by the next morning, when John got up 585 00:29:04.190 --> 00:29:06.641 very early in the morning, the phone rang, 586 00:29:06.675 --> 00:29:09.782 and John says, obviously on a radio phone, 587 00:29:09.817 --> 00:29:11.991 the guy called and says, "What you're lookin' for is here." 588 00:29:12.026 --> 00:29:12.992 That's all he said. 589 00:29:14.442 --> 00:29:17.790 John got a hold of the Sun newspaper in Vancouver. 590 00:29:17.825 --> 00:29:20.551 They put up $500 to pay for a plane 591 00:29:20.586 --> 00:29:22.415 and a pilot to fly 'em down. 592 00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:24.072 John got a hold of Dale Moffat, 593 00:29:24.107 --> 00:29:27.179 and he brought a tracking dog named White Lady. 594 00:29:27.213 --> 00:29:28.836 They all loaded on that small Cessna. 595 00:29:28.870 --> 00:29:33.702 A guy by the name of Keith Chazzari was the pilot. 596 00:29:33.737 --> 00:29:35.877 Keith I spoke to about a year ago, 597 00:29:35.912 --> 00:29:39.053 and after all these years, you should've heard him. 598 00:29:39.087 --> 00:29:42.470 He says that it was amazing the way the dog, 599 00:29:42.504 --> 00:29:44.368 they put him on the scent of the track 600 00:29:44.403 --> 00:29:47.061 where they would still see him just before dark. 601 00:29:47.095 --> 00:29:50.996 He said, "Bill, the hair literally stood up on its back. 602 00:29:51.030 --> 00:29:52.721 That dog went into high alert. 603 00:29:52.756 --> 00:29:56.691 "here was somethin' about those tracks it did not like." 604 00:29:56.725 --> 00:29:59.832 There was over 1,000 tracks had been reported there. 605 00:29:59.867 --> 00:30:02.939 They counted, I think, 560 or 70 tracks 606 00:30:02.973 --> 00:30:04.147 that were still left. 607 00:30:04.181 --> 00:30:06.218 Other people had been there to see him, 608 00:30:06.252 --> 00:30:10.187 some had run over 'em, stepped on 'em, 609 00:30:10.222 --> 00:30:13.052 but these tracks went on for over a mile or so. 610 00:30:13.087 --> 00:30:15.296 It went off the road, into the bush, 611 00:30:15.330 --> 00:30:18.368 up and down a few inclines, through bushwhacking, 612 00:30:18.402 --> 00:30:19.921 back out onto the road again, 613 00:30:19.956 --> 00:30:21.750 and there were actually two sets of tracks 614 00:30:21.785 --> 00:30:24.857 that I've seen in the pictures, 15 and 13 inch. 615 00:30:24.892 --> 00:30:26.376 They didn't know if they were together, 616 00:30:26.410 --> 00:30:29.655 but they did cross paths a few times going back and forth. 617 00:30:29.689 --> 00:30:32.520 Then at some point, John Green, who knew Roger Patterson, 618 00:30:32.554 --> 00:30:36.144 a lot of the guys knew each other in this little circle, 619 00:30:36.179 --> 00:30:38.802 he called Roger Patterson's house when he was in town, 620 00:30:38.837 --> 00:30:43.807 and he told him, or he left a message with Mrs. Patterson, 621 00:30:43.842 --> 00:30:48.812 Patricia, that, let Roger know there are tracks down here, 622 00:30:50.227 --> 00:30:51.608 'cause at that time Roger's away over at Mount Saint Helen's 623 00:30:51.642 --> 00:30:53.541 with Bob Gimlin on an expedition. 624 00:30:54.956 --> 00:30:56.889 "There's tracks down here, we know he's wanting to shoot 625 00:30:56.924 --> 00:30:58.166 a little amateur documentary of him 626 00:30:58.201 --> 00:30:59.892 with the Sasquatch hunter, 627 00:30:59.927 --> 00:31:02.274 he was hoping to see some tracks to film. 628 00:31:02.308 --> 00:31:05.104 Tell him, good tracks, pristine, nice lookin' tracks. 629 00:31:05.139 --> 00:31:06.761 Come on down." 630 00:31:06.795 --> 00:31:08.728 It took about two or three weeks before Gimlin 631 00:31:08.763 --> 00:31:11.248 got around to actually being able to leave. 632 00:31:12.836 --> 00:31:15.597 Him and Roger took off for Bluff Creek. 633 00:31:15.632 --> 00:31:16.805 By the time they got down there, 634 00:31:16.840 --> 00:31:19.463 Bob's told me that, "When we got down there, 635 00:31:19.498 --> 00:31:23.122 you could see where the tracks had been, a lot of 'em," 636 00:31:23.157 --> 00:31:24.641 but he says because of the rains, 637 00:31:24.675 --> 00:31:26.436 and they were in dust and dirt, 638 00:31:26.470 --> 00:31:28.990 loose dirt had kinda washed 'em out 639 00:31:29.025 --> 00:31:30.405 and took a lot of the definition out. 640 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.304 You could tell they were footprints, 641 00:31:32.338 --> 00:31:34.651 but they weren't really the nice pristine tracks 642 00:31:34.685 --> 00:31:36.480 like John Green had described. 643 00:31:42.624 --> 00:31:44.764 A few years ago, 644 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.906 oh, I got people claiming to be involved in this film 645 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:50.322 as a hoax, and it's so disappointing 646 00:31:50.356 --> 00:31:54.326 that the news media is willing to welcome 647 00:31:54.360 --> 00:31:57.018 somebody claiming a hoax without investigation, 648 00:31:57.053 --> 00:31:59.883 without question, and this is what happened 649 00:31:59.918 --> 00:32:01.505 when Ray Wallace died. 650 00:32:02.679 --> 00:32:04.094 Ray Wallace had a construction company 651 00:32:04.129 --> 00:32:05.924 down in Bluff Creek many years ago, 652 00:32:05.958 --> 00:32:07.960 and by the time the Patterson film was shot, 653 00:32:07.995 --> 00:32:12.102 he'd moved his operation back to Washington. 654 00:32:12.137 --> 00:32:14.898 But yet, every time footprints show up, 655 00:32:14.933 --> 00:32:16.727 they wanted to blame old Ray had a pair 656 00:32:16.762 --> 00:32:18.937 of wooden carvings here. 657 00:32:18.971 --> 00:32:21.974 - If Sasquatch does not exist, 658 00:32:22.009 --> 00:32:26.565 as the skeptics and critics would assert, would maintain, 659 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:29.154 then all of the footprint evidence out there 660 00:32:29.188 --> 00:32:30.845 has been hoaxed. 661 00:32:30.879 --> 00:32:34.124 And of course we know of one individual 662 00:32:34.159 --> 00:32:38.163 whose family claimed that indeed, 663 00:32:38.197 --> 00:32:41.787 he had hoaxed all of the footprints 664 00:32:41.821 --> 00:32:44.410 in the west United States over the years 665 00:32:44.445 --> 00:32:47.379 by fabricating these carved wooden feet 666 00:32:47.413 --> 00:32:52.418 that were strapped to boots and worn by his brother, 667 00:32:53.592 --> 00:32:55.732 and cousins, and nephews, and so forth, 668 00:32:55.766 --> 00:32:59.011 to traipse around the pacific northwest, 669 00:32:59.046 --> 00:33:00.150 and west United States. 670 00:33:01.358 --> 00:33:02.359 Where to begin. 671 00:33:04.879 --> 00:33:08.055 What was most dismaying was the speed 672 00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:11.955 with which the media grabbed onto this 673 00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:14.716 as the explanation. 674 00:33:14.751 --> 00:33:16.891 Finally the mystery was solved, 675 00:33:16.925 --> 00:33:19.066 the mystery of Bigfoot had been accounted for 676 00:33:19.100 --> 00:33:21.689 by these ridiculously crude, 677 00:33:21.723 --> 00:33:25.796 and non-anatomical carved wooden feet. 678 00:33:25.831 --> 00:33:30.836 With no prerequisite that they account for 679 00:33:31.975 --> 00:33:35.668 how these were used, really practically used, 680 00:33:35.703 --> 00:33:38.395 in creating not only individual footprints 681 00:33:38.430 --> 00:33:41.502 but long lines of tracks that, in some instances, 682 00:33:41.536 --> 00:33:44.125 were followed by investigators for miles. 683 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.127 - So you got Dan Rather with CBS, 684 00:33:46.162 --> 00:33:49.510 you got Fox news, you got MSNBC going on, 685 00:33:49.544 --> 00:33:52.133 "The mystery of Bigfoot has been solved. 686 00:33:52.168 --> 00:33:55.723 It was Ray Wallace, according to the Ray Wallace family." 687 00:33:55.757 --> 00:33:58.243 I thought, wow, so let's take a look at that. 688 00:33:58.277 --> 00:34:00.486 They didn't, so what I did was I got 689 00:34:00.521 --> 00:34:02.730 Ray Wallace's carving, and I took, 690 00:34:02.764 --> 00:34:04.559 despite the fact that many of these 691 00:34:04.594 --> 00:34:06.527 were different lengths than the carving, 692 00:34:06.561 --> 00:34:08.494 different widths than the carving, 693 00:34:08.529 --> 00:34:09.702 I made 'em all the same length 694 00:34:09.737 --> 00:34:11.911 and made 'em all the same width, 695 00:34:11.946 --> 00:34:14.811 and I can tell ya, a five year old, a beginner, 696 00:34:14.845 --> 00:34:16.882 if you'd have just made the comparison, 697 00:34:16.916 --> 00:34:18.642 you could see that this wood carving 698 00:34:18.677 --> 00:34:21.093 and it's toe line, could not have made that. 699 00:34:21.128 --> 00:34:23.578 But yet, these news channels, 700 00:34:23.613 --> 00:34:26.512 'cause Ray never tried to fool anybody, 701 00:34:26.547 --> 00:34:30.275 yet skeptics, when you see the tracks along the road, 702 00:34:30.309 --> 00:34:32.208 they left this flat appearance. 703 00:34:33.278 --> 00:34:36.384 Flat, flat, flat. 704 00:34:36.419 --> 00:34:39.318 Well, where's the recesses? 705 00:34:39.353 --> 00:34:41.320 This is in fine dust and dirt. 706 00:34:41.355 --> 00:34:43.391 It left flat tracks. 707 00:34:43.426 --> 00:34:44.910 Where Green and everybody stepped 708 00:34:44.944 --> 00:34:47.740 with their logging boots, their regular shoes, 709 00:34:47.775 --> 00:34:50.157 their tennis shoes, you can see the imprint 710 00:34:50.191 --> 00:34:52.400 of every sole pattern. 711 00:34:52.435 --> 00:34:54.851 This here would've left like a sponge print 712 00:34:54.885 --> 00:34:56.094 in that fine dirt. 713 00:34:56.128 --> 00:34:57.992 It would not have left a flat, 714 00:34:58.026 --> 00:35:00.926 which a pad does when you step all that weight down on it. 715 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.307 It would not have been flat, 716 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.999 and all of a sudden now they gotta think, 717 00:35:05.033 --> 00:35:09.141 "Oh gosh, we were so certain that Ray Wallace made these." 718 00:35:09.176 --> 00:35:11.592 The transfer of evidence from this pattern 719 00:35:11.626 --> 00:35:14.871 on the bottom of this foot, which they call a stomper, 720 00:35:14.905 --> 00:35:17.115 could not have made this track. 721 00:35:17.149 --> 00:35:20.601 - The claimant who seems to get the most attention 722 00:35:20.635 --> 00:35:23.259 on this point is Bob Hieronimus, 723 00:35:23.293 --> 00:35:25.606 who claimed to be the man in the first suit. 724 00:35:27.055 --> 00:35:29.817 The problem with this, the most glaring problem is, 725 00:35:29.851 --> 00:35:34.753 as he joined forces with Philip Morris, 726 00:35:34.787 --> 00:35:37.307 a famous costume designer, 727 00:35:37.342 --> 00:35:41.277 the two apparently didn't confer sufficiently 728 00:35:41.311 --> 00:35:43.141 before sharing their stories, 729 00:35:43.175 --> 00:35:47.179 because they didn't get them straight, they contradict. 730 00:35:47.214 --> 00:35:50.148 Bob Hieronimus gave a description of the costume 731 00:35:50.182 --> 00:35:55.049 that was diametrically opposed to the description 732 00:35:55.083 --> 00:35:57.155 of the costume provided by Philip Morris. 733 00:35:58.432 --> 00:36:00.641 Hieronimus describes a costume that was made 734 00:36:00.675 --> 00:36:04.196 out of a green horse hide, and talked about it 735 00:36:04.231 --> 00:36:07.475 being in two principal pieces, 736 00:36:07.510 --> 00:36:11.030 one that came over the top, like pajama tops 737 00:36:11.065 --> 00:36:13.757 but without any buttons or enclosures, 738 00:36:13.792 --> 00:36:16.864 just a piece that was probably stitched up the back, 739 00:36:16.898 --> 00:36:19.246 and a pair of stiff trousers that he wore. 740 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.834 Of course, and he had football pads he claimed 741 00:36:21.869 --> 00:36:25.148 and other padding to bulk him out a bit, 742 00:36:25.183 --> 00:36:30.188 and then a football helmet that had a fake face 743 00:36:31.534 --> 00:36:34.226 built out around it, with a single eye opening 744 00:36:34.261 --> 00:36:36.849 because Bob has one glass eye. 745 00:36:36.884 --> 00:36:40.405 They used his spare glass eye in the face of the costume 746 00:36:40.439 --> 00:36:44.236 in order to catch the glint of the sun, he claimed. 747 00:36:44.271 --> 00:36:48.033 Now, imagine walking in this unwieldy costume 748 00:36:48.067 --> 00:36:51.795 with a single port of vision, 749 00:36:51.830 --> 00:36:55.489 which he claims was a good two inches away from his eye, 750 00:36:55.523 --> 00:36:58.630 so put a little toilet paper roll up against your eye, 751 00:36:58.664 --> 00:37:00.597 and then go out there, close the other, 752 00:37:00.632 --> 00:37:05.257 and try to walk on an uneven, irregular surface. 753 00:37:05.292 --> 00:37:07.501 But if that wasn't enough, then Philip Morris 754 00:37:07.535 --> 00:37:10.055 claimed that Roger had simply purchased 755 00:37:10.089 --> 00:37:13.921 and then modified one of his off the shelf costumes. 756 00:37:18.822 --> 00:37:20.030 - These are the beginning, 757 00:37:20.065 --> 00:37:22.240 these are the cibachrome images they call 'em, 758 00:37:22.274 --> 00:37:24.932 they're the best images of the film itself. 759 00:37:24.966 --> 00:37:28.107 Here you can see the toes on the bottom of the animal. 760 00:37:28.142 --> 00:37:29.454 It's in motion. 761 00:37:29.488 --> 00:37:31.525 This foot's a little blurred, 762 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:33.320 and here's, at the end of the stride, 763 00:37:33.354 --> 00:37:35.736 this is one of the things I always point out to people, 764 00:37:35.770 --> 00:37:38.670 notice how the foot is vertical to the ground. 765 00:37:38.704 --> 00:37:40.982 Look down here, the foot is hardly off the ground, 766 00:37:41.017 --> 00:37:43.019 it's already vertical to the ground. 767 00:37:43.053 --> 00:37:45.297 When people walk, and I explain this to folks 768 00:37:45.332 --> 00:37:47.575 that come out, even the skeptics, 769 00:37:47.610 --> 00:37:49.439 and I tell 'em, listen, when people walk, 770 00:37:49.474 --> 00:37:52.097 their feet barely come 15 degrees off the ground, 771 00:37:52.131 --> 00:37:53.581 it's like a pendulum. 772 00:37:53.616 --> 00:37:56.274 They don't lift their feet vertical, high and vertical. 773 00:37:56.308 --> 00:37:57.551 I said if you wanna try doing it, 774 00:37:57.585 --> 00:37:59.725 it's hard enough to stand that way, 775 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:01.313 but if you try walking that way, 776 00:38:01.348 --> 00:38:03.246 and as far as I know, no one has ever 777 00:38:03.281 --> 00:38:05.283 been able to duplicate that. 778 00:38:05.317 --> 00:38:07.906 Our bone structure just does not allow it. 779 00:38:07.940 --> 00:38:11.634 - When you have a foot that has a longitudinal arch 780 00:38:11.668 --> 00:38:14.706 as in the human, then the entire foot 781 00:38:14.740 --> 00:38:16.949 is incorporated into the lever, 782 00:38:18.123 --> 00:38:22.817 and that imposes bending stresses on the toes. 783 00:38:23.991 --> 00:38:26.304 So the human toes have gotten much shorter. 784 00:38:26.338 --> 00:38:29.721 They are there not so much for prehension 785 00:38:29.755 --> 00:38:31.447 as for traction. 786 00:38:31.481 --> 00:38:34.484 They prevent the foot from slipping back 787 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.210 when we're walking and running, 788 00:38:36.244 --> 00:38:37.694 and especially the big toe. 789 00:38:37.729 --> 00:38:41.180 If we have a foot that has a mid-foot flexibility, 790 00:38:41.215 --> 00:38:44.805 then when the heel comes up, like this, 791 00:38:44.839 --> 00:38:47.842 the weight's not concentrated under the ball of the foot, 792 00:38:47.877 --> 00:38:50.362 instead it's under the entire mid-foot. 793 00:38:50.397 --> 00:38:53.745 - The biomechanical foot, and there's anthropology studies 794 00:38:53.779 --> 00:38:56.575 in scientific journals that talk about this. 795 00:38:56.610 --> 00:38:59.233 When the foot is in motion, it flexes. 796 00:38:59.267 --> 00:39:00.752 There are things that take place, 797 00:39:00.786 --> 00:39:04.307 and these toes, for instance, when you go to bend your foot, 798 00:39:04.342 --> 00:39:07.103 that Sasquatch has what we call a midtarsal break. 799 00:39:08.622 --> 00:39:12.039 [eerie percussive music] 800 00:39:39.515 --> 00:39:41.724 The ankle's back here and right in front of it 801 00:39:41.758 --> 00:39:43.898 is actually where it bends its foot. 802 00:39:43.933 --> 00:39:47.695 You can see it in the film, you see it in the footprints. 803 00:39:47.730 --> 00:39:48.972 The ball of the foot was deeper 804 00:39:49.007 --> 00:39:50.698 and of course the toes are always deeper 805 00:39:50.733 --> 00:39:53.391 because by then, all of the weight of the animal 806 00:39:53.425 --> 00:39:56.601 has come forward, this part's lifted off the ground, 807 00:39:56.635 --> 00:40:01.191 and you got everything, and your toes work like hydraulics. 808 00:40:01.226 --> 00:40:04.022 You got muscles and tendons pressing down, 809 00:40:04.056 --> 00:40:07.474 and now you've got 800,000 pounds. 810 00:40:07.508 --> 00:40:09.993 Instead of being scattered over the whole foot, 811 00:40:10.028 --> 00:40:11.443 you've got it on the front of the foot, 812 00:40:11.478 --> 00:40:13.065 then you got it on the toes last, 813 00:40:13.100 --> 00:40:15.240 and they sink in the deepest of the whole track. 814 00:40:15.274 --> 00:40:18.519 Here's a picture of 2005, 815 00:40:18.554 --> 00:40:22.178 where me and the watchmen of 20 Mile Bay 816 00:40:22.212 --> 00:40:23.835 made it up to the top of a mountain 817 00:40:23.869 --> 00:40:26.493 that had a growed over switchback on it. 818 00:40:26.527 --> 00:40:28.943 I walked over, and this track was there. 819 00:40:28.978 --> 00:40:32.395 Again, the big heel, didn't even press here, 820 00:40:32.430 --> 00:40:35.847 the ball, and the bulbous toes. 821 00:40:35.881 --> 00:40:38.090 It even reached a certain depth of dampness 822 00:40:38.125 --> 00:40:39.575 'cause this had had water in it 823 00:40:39.609 --> 00:40:41.300 and the air dries it out, but the farther down, 824 00:40:41.335 --> 00:40:43.199 the deep, you get into the moisture. 825 00:40:43.233 --> 00:40:45.546 This is my footprint after I'd filmed it. 826 00:40:45.581 --> 00:40:47.134 I'm a pretty big guy. 827 00:40:47.168 --> 00:40:50.413 I took my foot for scale and put it right alongside of it. 828 00:40:50.448 --> 00:40:52.588 I have a pointed heel, as people do, 829 00:40:52.622 --> 00:40:54.279 our heels are much narrower than the big 830 00:40:54.313 --> 00:40:56.695 rounded heel of a Sasquatch. 831 00:40:57.972 --> 00:41:00.354 Many years later, I'm talkin' to John Green, 832 00:41:00.388 --> 00:41:02.287 and he allows me to see some of his pictures 833 00:41:02.321 --> 00:41:06.256 from Blue Creek Mountain taken in the summer of 1967. 834 00:41:07.395 --> 00:41:11.434 This is the tracks, the 15 and 13 inch track 835 00:41:11.469 --> 00:41:14.126 where they crossed each other's paths at one point, 836 00:41:14.161 --> 00:41:18.268 and by golly, the heel stepped, the foot cupped, 837 00:41:18.303 --> 00:41:20.616 it looked like it rolled over onto the ball, 838 00:41:20.650 --> 00:41:23.653 and the toes imprinted into the ground right here. 839 00:41:23.688 --> 00:41:27.415 And that is exactly what happened in 2005, 840 00:41:27.450 --> 00:41:29.176 'cause I was always bothered by why 841 00:41:29.210 --> 00:41:31.523 it didn't press the middle. 842 00:41:31.558 --> 00:41:33.939 I've seen the midtarsal breaks 843 00:41:33.974 --> 00:41:36.632 like you see in the Patterson film, 844 00:41:36.666 --> 00:41:40.946 where the foot bends and the large part of the ball 845 00:41:40.981 --> 00:41:43.639 of the foot, back towards the heel, 846 00:41:43.673 --> 00:41:46.193 pushes this dirt back and you get this mound, 847 00:41:46.227 --> 00:41:49.368 this ridge across the track back by the heel. 848 00:41:50.577 --> 00:41:52.717 So that's another sign of a real working foot. 849 00:41:52.751 --> 00:41:55.443 - I mean, you look at an example like this big male, 850 00:41:55.478 --> 00:41:56.686 big, heavy male, and look at that, 851 00:41:56.721 --> 00:41:59.171 there's no differential pressure there. 852 00:41:59.206 --> 00:42:01.795 There's a little bit across this point here, 853 00:42:01.829 --> 00:42:05.661 but there's no indication of an arch, it's flat. 854 00:42:05.695 --> 00:42:08.664 And that assists in the distribution of weight 855 00:42:08.698 --> 00:42:13.703 through more surface area, given their much greater mass, 856 00:42:14.842 --> 00:42:16.326 which is a cube of the linear dimensions, 857 00:42:16.361 --> 00:42:18.156 remember, the volume. 858 00:42:19.571 --> 00:42:24.231 So, the Sasquatch foot walks through a step cycle 859 00:42:25.404 --> 00:42:28.235 in a much different manner than we do. 860 00:42:28.269 --> 00:42:32.342 Given their long toes, and their shorter legs, 861 00:42:32.377 --> 00:42:35.898 they also have a tendency to have a high stepping gait, 862 00:42:37.002 --> 00:42:38.279 which is also an advantage when you're 863 00:42:38.314 --> 00:42:41.800 walking through rough and irregular terrain. 864 00:42:41.835 --> 00:42:45.770 We get trained walking on sidewalks and flat floors 865 00:42:45.804 --> 00:42:50.809 to barely lift our foot at sufficient to clear our toes 866 00:42:51.948 --> 00:42:56.228 on that featureless, flat surface. 867 00:42:56.263 --> 00:42:57.851 When you go out hiking, you find 868 00:42:57.885 --> 00:43:00.612 you have to adjust a little bit. 869 00:43:00.647 --> 00:43:02.062 Or, if you're walking down the sidewalk 870 00:43:02.096 --> 00:43:05.721 and the two sections of sidewalk are slightly askew 871 00:43:05.755 --> 00:43:08.309 due to frost heave or something or a root, 872 00:43:08.344 --> 00:43:11.899 boom, you can trip over just a quarter inch of difference. 873 00:43:11.934 --> 00:43:14.212 That's because we're so efficient, 874 00:43:14.246 --> 00:43:18.803 we minimize the amount of muscle effort to swing our foot. 875 00:43:19.700 --> 00:43:21.391 In contrast to that, Patty seems 876 00:43:21.426 --> 00:43:24.394 to be walking through tall grass, 877 00:43:24.429 --> 00:43:26.155 even though she's walking on the sand bar, 878 00:43:26.189 --> 00:43:29.848 because her typical substrate that she's walking through 879 00:43:29.883 --> 00:43:33.576 is brush and scrub and grass. 880 00:43:33.611 --> 00:43:37.338 - In the film, if you do stabilization of the creature, 881 00:43:37.373 --> 00:43:40.272 you can see it had finger movement, it had wrist movement. 882 00:43:40.307 --> 00:43:42.585 It bent at the elbows. 883 00:43:42.620 --> 00:43:44.932 You put a man in a suit, because the arms are so long, 884 00:43:44.967 --> 00:43:47.555 people say, "Well maybe he was using sticks to," 885 00:43:47.590 --> 00:43:49.696 I think that Hieronimus or somebody suggested this. 886 00:43:49.730 --> 00:43:51.076 Bob Hieronimus said it was the last guy 887 00:43:51.111 --> 00:43:53.044 who claimed to be in a suit, 888 00:43:53.078 --> 00:43:55.253 possibly used some sort of sticks or apparatus 889 00:43:55.287 --> 00:43:57.117 even though Hieronimus in his story, 890 00:43:57.151 --> 00:43:59.050 which I don't believe a word of, 891 00:43:59.084 --> 00:44:01.017 he said he slipped his hands in the gloves. 892 00:44:01.052 --> 00:44:05.263 But the problem is, he's 5'10" or so, he's under six feet, 893 00:44:05.297 --> 00:44:10.026 and when we bend, then our arms have to bend at the elbow. 894 00:44:10.061 --> 00:44:12.028 Our wrists happen to bend here. 895 00:44:12.063 --> 00:44:14.444 In order to get as wide as the back was, 896 00:44:14.479 --> 00:44:15.653 like Grover Krantz said once, 897 00:44:15.687 --> 00:44:17.413 you'd have to hold your arms up to the side 898 00:44:17.447 --> 00:44:19.691 to the elbows to get the shoulder width, 899 00:44:19.726 --> 00:44:21.175 then you got this, so then you gotta use 900 00:44:21.210 --> 00:44:23.315 some apparatus to swing the arms. 901 00:44:24.489 --> 00:44:27.734 But these bend, 'cause you can see in the film. 902 00:44:27.768 --> 00:44:29.770 In the original film, people saw it, 903 00:44:29.805 --> 00:44:31.599 you could see the muscle movement. 904 00:44:31.634 --> 00:44:33.947 It's one thing to try to make a fake suit 905 00:44:33.981 --> 00:44:35.534 look like it's got muscles, 906 00:44:35.569 --> 00:44:38.123 or even make a muscle look like it moves, 907 00:44:38.158 --> 00:44:41.264 but these muscles in the film work off of each other. 908 00:44:41.299 --> 00:44:43.094 They fire in a certain sequence. 909 00:44:43.128 --> 00:44:45.613 When we all walk, we bend our elbows. 910 00:44:45.648 --> 00:44:48.340 When we move, everything works in a certain sequence 911 00:44:48.375 --> 00:44:49.756 off the other. 912 00:44:49.790 --> 00:44:52.103 To make something mechanical that could do all that 913 00:44:52.137 --> 00:44:56.452 and mimic perfectly nature, it's ridiculous. 914 00:44:56.486 --> 00:44:58.730 It wasn't even really available at the time. 915 00:44:58.765 --> 00:45:00.698 But then, furthermore, a few years ago 916 00:45:00.732 --> 00:45:03.597 National Geographic for the first time in history, 917 00:45:03.631 --> 00:45:06.496 they did a study where they used science. 918 00:45:06.531 --> 00:45:09.292 They used photogrammetry and optic measuring. 919 00:45:09.327 --> 00:45:11.950 That's where you can take mathematics, 920 00:45:11.985 --> 00:45:15.609 you take the lens the size that Patterson used. 921 00:45:15.643 --> 00:45:17.438 You can take known measurements 922 00:45:17.473 --> 00:45:19.130 that were taken on the film site, 923 00:45:19.164 --> 00:45:20.752 you can take a film frame 924 00:45:20.787 --> 00:45:22.616 and you can tell distances to everything, 925 00:45:22.650 --> 00:45:24.135 the size of everything. 926 00:45:24.169 --> 00:45:26.793 This animal, in it's stooped, walking posture 927 00:45:26.827 --> 00:45:29.865 from the ground, top of its head, leaning forward, 928 00:45:29.899 --> 00:45:33.489 deep knee bends, seven feet six inches high. 929 00:45:33.523 --> 00:45:35.284 That put all the six foot high guys 930 00:45:35.318 --> 00:45:37.182 out of the running as far as I'm concerned. 931 00:45:37.217 --> 00:45:40.772 That means standing erect, if it would stand straight up, 932 00:45:40.807 --> 00:45:42.498 you could figure at least another six inches, 933 00:45:42.532 --> 00:45:44.155 put it up around eight feet. 934 00:45:44.189 --> 00:45:47.572 They went on to say that only one out of 100 million 935 00:45:47.606 --> 00:45:51.749 human beings reach the height of eight feet tall, 936 00:45:51.783 --> 00:45:54.165 and those that do have noted abnormalities 937 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:55.994 in their walking gait. 938 00:45:56.029 --> 00:45:58.997 This creature walked like it was in its birthday suit. 939 00:45:59.032 --> 00:46:01.482 When Roger got behind it and it was walking away 940 00:46:01.517 --> 00:46:04.451 up the valley, you could see the space between its legs. 941 00:46:04.485 --> 00:46:06.798 - This creature was, it had shoulders 942 00:46:06.833 --> 00:46:09.801 that were a good 36 inches apart, 943 00:46:09.836 --> 00:46:12.321 and the pelvis was as well. 944 00:46:12.355 --> 00:46:15.462 - When I wrote my article, "Who's Hoaxing Who 945 00:46:15.496 --> 00:46:17.395 in the Making of Bigfoot", I showed a guy 946 00:46:17.429 --> 00:46:19.846 an attack dog suit all padded up. 947 00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:21.813 He waddled like a penguin, 948 00:46:21.848 --> 00:46:25.265 because your legs are so bulked, they rub together. 949 00:46:25.299 --> 00:46:27.888 You don't have that freedom of motion when you walk. 950 00:46:27.923 --> 00:46:29.752 This creature did. 951 00:46:29.787 --> 00:46:31.098 Eight feet tall. 952 00:46:31.133 --> 00:46:32.720 When you get up over eight feet tall, 953 00:46:32.755 --> 00:46:33.998 you're getting up around the world, 954 00:46:34.032 --> 00:46:35.896 Guinness World Book of Records. 955 00:46:35.931 --> 00:46:38.485 And you're talking about people who need apparatuses 956 00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.694 to hold themselves steady as they walk, 957 00:46:40.728 --> 00:46:42.627 'cause their muscles are so taxed, 958 00:46:42.661 --> 00:46:45.009 their joints, they're usually lock-kneed, 959 00:46:45.043 --> 00:46:46.251 the knees are turned in, 960 00:46:46.286 --> 00:46:49.116 they have a hard time motoring along. 961 00:46:49.151 --> 00:46:52.050 This thing walked away like it was pedaling a bicycle. 962 00:46:52.085 --> 00:46:53.500 People look at that film, they go, 963 00:46:53.534 --> 00:46:55.088 "Yeah, it walks like a man." 964 00:46:55.122 --> 00:46:57.504 But the Russian scientists that looked at it 965 00:46:57.538 --> 00:46:59.713 and biomechanics experts in the early '70s 966 00:46:59.747 --> 00:47:02.302 went ahead and took it Russia. 967 00:47:02.336 --> 00:47:03.717 When they watched the film, 968 00:47:03.751 --> 00:47:05.753 these are guys that had the Russian Olympic, 969 00:47:05.788 --> 00:47:07.859 they were training the Russian Olympians, 970 00:47:07.894 --> 00:47:11.173 they realized that this thing walks like somebody 971 00:47:11.207 --> 00:47:14.417 who cross skis, cross country skis. 972 00:47:14.452 --> 00:47:16.350 They said no one walks like that, 973 00:47:16.385 --> 00:47:17.869 and they were absolutely right. 974 00:47:17.904 --> 00:47:20.423 - The biggest obstacle to the continuing research 975 00:47:20.458 --> 00:47:24.393 in this field, is the community itself. 976 00:47:24.427 --> 00:47:27.879 You've heard it referred to as the Sasquatch community. 977 00:47:27.914 --> 00:47:31.055 In the United States, you call it the Bigfoot community. 978 00:47:31.089 --> 00:47:32.608 They're their own worst enemy. 979 00:47:34.058 --> 00:47:35.783 More than anything, the whole field 980 00:47:35.818 --> 00:47:37.855 now resembles more like an asylum 981 00:47:37.889 --> 00:47:40.064 that's being taken over by the inmates. 982 00:47:40.098 --> 00:47:42.066 - I wanna say something that is different 983 00:47:42.100 --> 00:47:44.723 from anything else in this room, okay. 984 00:47:44.758 --> 00:47:47.174 We will not find evidence, it is my belief, 985 00:47:47.209 --> 00:47:50.764 of Bigfoot, although we will see Bigfoot from time to time. 986 00:47:50.798 --> 00:47:52.904 At this precise point in the universe, 987 00:47:52.939 --> 00:47:55.527 there are three or four other earths 988 00:47:55.562 --> 00:47:59.083 functioning at different energy frequencies or dimensions. 989 00:47:59.117 --> 00:48:01.706 Bigfoot lives in one of those dimensions. 990 00:48:01.740 --> 00:48:04.053 It is a non-violent form of life. 991 00:48:04.088 --> 00:48:06.814 It eats plant food, but it does have enemies. 992 00:48:06.849 --> 00:48:09.403 Several of the enemies are quite larger than Bigfoot, 993 00:48:09.438 --> 00:48:11.923 and then there's little packs like wild dogs. 994 00:48:11.958 --> 00:48:13.683 When Bigfoot encounters them, 995 00:48:13.718 --> 00:48:16.307 Bigfoot has the capability of changing 996 00:48:16.341 --> 00:48:18.965 the energy frequency of its body form. 997 00:48:18.999 --> 00:48:22.416 Sometimes, it's like having a radiostat here and dialing. 998 00:48:22.451 --> 00:48:25.178 Sometimes he ends up here on planet earth, 999 00:48:25.212 --> 00:48:29.044 and he's here, stabilizes for a short period of time, 1000 00:48:29.078 --> 00:48:32.737 and then what occurs is, he dials himself back 1001 00:48:32.771 --> 00:48:34.912 and goes back to his other frequency. 1002 00:48:34.946 --> 00:48:38.156 This is an explanation of why everybody says they see him, 1003 00:48:38.191 --> 00:48:42.781 but these people over here are saying there is no evidence. 1004 00:48:42.816 --> 00:48:44.922 - I'm Peter Watts, and I wonder if someone 1005 00:48:44.956 --> 00:48:48.028 actually killed one, and it was in these dimension, 1006 00:48:48.063 --> 00:48:50.375 would it just disappear after it died? 1007 00:48:50.410 --> 00:48:52.136 Or would it stay there? 1008 00:48:52.170 --> 00:48:53.206 [laughing] 1009 00:48:53.240 --> 00:48:54.448 - That's the word that we had. 1010 00:48:54.483 --> 00:48:56.968 If one died here, they would also move it-- 1011 00:48:57.003 --> 00:49:00.972 - People going around spoutin' all kinds of rubbish 1012 00:49:01.007 --> 00:49:03.871 and nonsense and taking all kinds of hoaxing 1013 00:49:03.906 --> 00:49:08.324 and fake footage and fake reports, 1014 00:49:08.359 --> 00:49:11.707 getting it all on YouTube and the internet, 1015 00:49:11.741 --> 00:49:13.674 which has not helped matters at all. 1016 00:49:14.986 --> 00:49:17.471 It's put the whole question into the realm 1017 00:49:17.506 --> 00:49:19.715 of what you would call tabloid research. 1018 00:49:20.992 --> 00:49:22.200 - [Woman] Straight ahead. 1019 00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:28.551 No. [dramatic orchestral music] 1020 00:49:38.009 --> 00:49:41.081 - [Reporter] On Thursday, August 20th, around nine a.m., 1021 00:49:41.116 --> 00:49:43.221 Paul says he drove deep into the Blue Mountains 1022 00:49:43.256 --> 00:49:46.638 of northern Oregon, to a place called Deeduck Springs 1023 00:49:46.673 --> 00:49:48.537 at the Umatilla National Forest. 1024 00:49:48.571 --> 00:49:51.747 - Well I just drove up to the pond here, 1025 00:49:53.231 --> 00:49:58.236 and I know they frequent this area in August and September. 1026 00:50:00.169 --> 00:50:02.447 I just got out of my little car 1027 00:50:02.482 --> 00:50:03.931 and walked around over here, 1028 00:50:05.312 --> 00:50:09.454 and there was tracks here in the mud. 1029 00:50:09.489 --> 00:50:12.216 I think it was gonna get a drink or, 1030 00:50:12.250 --> 00:50:15.253 I don't know, maybe it was gonna cross there or somethin'. 1031 00:50:15.288 --> 00:50:17.255 But anyway, I must've scared it. 1032 00:50:18.739 --> 00:50:20.948 - [Reporter] Freeman says he's been searching 1033 00:50:20.983 --> 00:50:22.433 for the legendary Sasquatch in the woods 1034 00:50:22.467 --> 00:50:25.194 near the Millcreek Watershed near his Walla Walla home 1035 00:50:25.229 --> 00:50:27.024 for the last 10 years. 1036 00:50:27.058 --> 00:50:30.958 In October of 1988, his son Dwayne got snapshots. 1037 00:50:30.993 --> 00:50:33.513 In April of this year, Paul got video from a distance 1038 00:50:33.547 --> 00:50:37.413 of around 69 feet, this time, camera in hand, 1039 00:50:37.448 --> 00:50:39.070 he was a whole lot closer. 1040 00:50:39.105 --> 00:50:40.899 - I started up the bank there 1041 00:50:40.934 --> 00:50:45.387 and I heard brush and stuff popping up there. 1042 00:50:45.421 --> 00:50:47.561 Pretty good little tracks. 1043 00:50:50.875 --> 00:50:52.428 There's a good one. 1044 00:50:52.463 --> 00:50:55.604 [eerie ambient music] 1045 00:50:58.538 --> 00:51:00.747 Right up this little trail. 1046 00:51:01.610 --> 00:51:04.233 Right up there is my view, yeah. 1047 00:51:06.649 --> 00:51:09.652 I'm gonna make up some plaster here. 1048 00:51:11.482 --> 00:51:12.897 Got my cast made. 1049 00:51:22.700 --> 00:51:25.116 There's two exits between, 1050 00:51:25.151 --> 00:51:26.324 it's dry there. 1051 00:51:32.123 --> 00:51:33.849 I hear the brush popping and stuff. 1052 00:51:40.407 --> 00:51:42.064 Oh, there he goes. 1053 00:52:06.606 --> 00:52:08.125 Oh, there he goes. 1054 00:52:12.025 --> 00:52:13.785 It looked at me once. 1055 00:52:14.855 --> 00:52:16.271 Jesus. 1056 00:52:16.305 --> 00:52:19.205 I kinda got a little nervous when it looked at me, 1057 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:21.931 then it turned and just kept on going, 1058 00:52:21.966 --> 00:52:24.520 and went into the brush there and disappeared. 1059 00:52:24.555 --> 00:52:26.177 I was lookin' for it with the camera, 1060 00:52:26.212 --> 00:52:29.698 and I seen another one, smaller, coming at me up there. 1061 00:52:33.702 --> 00:52:34.530 Oh god. 1062 00:52:38.569 --> 00:52:41.019 There's two of 'em, I guess. 1063 00:52:41.054 --> 00:52:42.159 - [Reporter] After the incident, 1064 00:52:42.193 --> 00:52:43.850 Freeman says he heard screams 1065 00:52:43.884 --> 00:52:45.990 from the direction of the creatures 1066 00:52:46.024 --> 00:52:48.924 that kept him pinned down for almost two hours, 1067 00:52:48.958 --> 00:52:51.720 screams he says he did not record. 1068 00:52:51.754 --> 00:52:54.274 - I ain't never been scared like I was scared yesterday. 1069 00:52:58.140 --> 00:53:00.936 I never have been afraid of man or beast or anything, 1070 00:53:02.144 --> 00:53:04.215 but I set up there yesterday and, 1071 00:53:04.250 --> 00:53:05.941 cowered down like a little kid. 1072 00:53:07.045 --> 00:53:09.462 - [Reporter] Is Bigfoot fact, or fiction? 1073 00:53:09.496 --> 00:53:11.395 - I really got upset. 1074 00:53:11.429 --> 00:53:14.225 - [Man] This is a first alleged scream, 1075 00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:16.710 unknown scream which some people think 1076 00:53:16.745 --> 00:53:18.229 may have come from a Sasquatch. 1077 00:53:18.264 --> 00:53:21.957 It was recorded by a Sergeant Kenny Cooper 1078 00:53:22.992 --> 00:53:24.994 as he was patrolling in the area 1079 00:53:25.029 --> 00:53:28.239 of the Chief Mountain Road in Washington state 1080 00:53:28.274 --> 00:53:32.623 on the eve of November, 1975. 1081 00:53:34.349 --> 00:53:36.696 [screaming] 1082 00:53:55.024 --> 00:53:58.200 [eerie chiming music] 1083 00:54:02.100 --> 00:54:06.001 - Another interesting one happened at Ruby Creek in 1941 1084 00:54:06.035 --> 00:54:08.590 that's unique because Jeanny Chapman, 1085 00:54:08.624 --> 00:54:10.799 who lived on a farm there, 1086 00:54:10.833 --> 00:54:12.973 again the road only went up to Ruby Creek 1087 00:54:13.008 --> 00:54:15.907 and then beyond a couple miles was her farm. 1088 00:54:15.942 --> 00:54:17.184 You had to go through the forest 1089 00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:18.393 or down the railroad tracks, 1090 00:54:18.427 --> 00:54:20.257 that's the only thing that could take you 1091 00:54:20.291 --> 00:54:22.259 in that direction, was the railroad at that time. 1092 00:54:22.293 --> 00:54:24.295 - [Reporter] By 1956, there had been several 1093 00:54:24.330 --> 00:54:26.918 such reported sightings, which had been reported 1094 00:54:26.953 --> 00:54:29.162 in small local newspapers. 1095 00:54:29.196 --> 00:54:31.578 Mr. John Green, publisher of a newspaper 1096 00:54:31.613 --> 00:54:34.271 at Harrison Hot Springs, British Columbia, 1097 00:54:34.305 --> 00:54:37.204 began investigating some of these sightings. 1098 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.621 Here is John Green to report on a sighting 1099 00:54:39.655 --> 00:54:41.726 he investigated in 1957. 1100 00:54:41.761 --> 00:54:45.040 - When I first came here in about 1957, 1101 00:54:45.074 --> 00:54:47.353 it was still pretty well open, 1102 00:54:47.387 --> 00:54:49.872 but all this has grown up since then. 1103 00:54:51.598 --> 00:54:54.532 What happened at that time was that 1104 00:54:54.567 --> 00:54:57.604 Mrs. George Chapman lived in a house 1105 00:54:57.639 --> 00:54:59.848 down by the river behind me here. 1106 00:55:01.401 --> 00:55:04.956 She was in the house, and the children were outside. 1107 00:55:04.991 --> 00:55:07.165 One of them came in and told her that there was a cow 1108 00:55:07.200 --> 00:55:10.272 coming out of the woods, so she looked out 1109 00:55:10.307 --> 00:55:14.932 and she saw this man-like thing, about eight feet tall 1110 00:55:14.966 --> 00:55:17.348 and completely covered with hair like a bear. 1111 00:55:19.246 --> 00:55:21.835 She knew it to be a Sasquatch, 1112 00:55:21.870 --> 00:55:26.875 and this was quite a well known thing to the Indian people, 1113 00:55:28.325 --> 00:55:29.774 and she was frightened, so she took the children, 1114 00:55:29.809 --> 00:55:31.983 ran down to the river, and then through the graveyard, 1115 00:55:32.018 --> 00:55:33.571 which is right behind me here, 1116 00:55:34.952 --> 00:55:38.127 and came out just about here onto the track, 1117 00:55:38.162 --> 00:55:40.889 and then ran on down to Ruby Creek. 1118 00:55:42.442 --> 00:55:46.377 She'd really only had one quick look at the thing, 1119 00:55:46.412 --> 00:55:49.967 so it wouldn't be that convincing a story 1120 00:55:50.001 --> 00:55:53.557 except that a lot of people immediately went back there 1121 00:55:53.591 --> 00:55:55.731 and saw these enormous tracks. 1122 00:55:55.766 --> 00:55:58.872 Mr. Tyfting, of course, was one of them, 1123 00:55:58.907 --> 00:56:01.772 and can describe what the tracks are like 1124 00:56:01.806 --> 00:56:02.842 and what they did. 1125 00:56:05.189 --> 00:56:08.675 - Well, he came through the bush, into the shed, 1126 00:56:08.710 --> 00:56:11.437 or the lean to of the house, 1127 00:56:11.471 --> 00:56:15.233 and there was a bowl of dried fish or smoked salmon, rotted, 1128 00:56:16.407 --> 00:56:19.203 and he broke the bowl and there was some fish 1129 00:56:19.237 --> 00:56:21.792 eaten there and thrown around, 1130 00:56:21.826 --> 00:56:24.381 and then he went down the riverbank, 1131 00:56:25.727 --> 00:56:28.592 and apparently took a drink and then come back up 1132 00:56:28.626 --> 00:56:33.424 on the other side the house, through the garden patch, 1133 00:56:33.459 --> 00:56:36.496 and up to this here fence, and stepped 1134 00:56:36.531 --> 00:56:38.981 with one foot on outside of him 1135 00:56:39.016 --> 00:56:42.226 and one foot on this side the fence, 1136 00:56:42.260 --> 00:56:44.366 and walked right over it. 1137 00:56:46.230 --> 00:56:49.647 The footprints were about 18 inches, 1138 00:56:51.856 --> 00:56:53.375 and then he went across there 1139 00:56:53.410 --> 00:56:56.240 and over to the next fence there, 1140 00:56:56.274 --> 00:56:58.380 and went right up the hillside. 1141 00:57:01.279 --> 00:57:03.420 That's as far as we could follow it. 1142 00:57:03.454 --> 00:57:06.595 - Hi, my name is John Green, 1143 00:57:06.630 --> 00:57:11.289 and I've been studying Sasquatch since 1957. 1144 00:57:14.120 --> 00:57:17.123 Custodian at the local high school 1145 00:57:17.157 --> 00:57:20.885 was named as somebody investigating and report it 1146 00:57:22.473 --> 00:57:24.820 a little farther up the railroad, 1147 00:57:24.855 --> 00:57:28.928 and the Indian lady came looking for her husband, 1148 00:57:28.962 --> 00:57:31.586 who was workin' on the section then. 1149 00:57:33.691 --> 00:57:34.520 And said that, 1150 00:57:36.418 --> 00:57:38.696 this monster had come out of the woods, right, 1151 00:57:40.318 --> 00:57:43.321 went walking towards her house she was in. 1152 00:57:44.668 --> 00:57:46.117 - [Interviewer] You're talking about Mrs. Chapman? 1153 00:57:46.152 --> 00:57:46.980 - Yes. 1154 00:57:47.947 --> 00:57:51.675 [dramatic orchestral music] 1155 00:58:05.067 --> 00:58:06.724 - Here's a track, and I showed you one up on the mountain, 1156 00:58:06.759 --> 00:58:08.519 the miles I found. 1157 00:58:08.554 --> 00:58:11.695 Here's a track that ended up in Ruby Creek, 1158 00:58:11.729 --> 00:58:15.561 the same year Archibald happened in late September. 1159 00:58:15.595 --> 00:58:17.045 A guy by the name of Mark Quarton, 1160 00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.186 and Mark was in Ruby Creek huntin' by himself, 1161 00:58:20.220 --> 00:58:22.084 and as he got down by the bog area 1162 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.536 where a lot of the game is, 1163 00:58:26.744 --> 00:58:30.507 geese and ducks are down that way, a lotta water. 1164 00:58:30.541 --> 00:58:32.025 He says he got near one of the bogs, 1165 00:58:32.060 --> 00:58:33.855 he noticed something out of the corner of his eye, 1166 00:58:33.889 --> 00:58:36.340 and he turned, and coming down at an angle, 1167 00:58:36.374 --> 00:58:40.033 a large stone hit the bog right near where he was at. 1168 00:58:41.414 --> 00:58:44.624 It splashed him through the wall of shrubbery 1169 00:58:44.659 --> 00:58:47.903 along there, the water was such a splash 1170 00:58:47.938 --> 00:58:49.526 that it got him wet. 1171 00:58:49.560 --> 00:58:51.700 He thought he walked up on a hunter's location. 1172 00:58:51.735 --> 00:58:54.116 He stepped forward and he looked through, 1173 00:58:54.151 --> 00:58:56.015 apologized or whatever he had on his mind. 1174 00:58:56.049 --> 00:58:57.637 He looked through, and all he saw 1175 00:58:57.672 --> 00:59:00.226 was an upright figure walking away through the bush, 1176 00:59:00.260 --> 00:59:03.332 but he could only see the outline of something dark. 1177 00:59:03.367 --> 00:59:04.782 He didn't think it was really tall, 1178 00:59:04.817 --> 00:59:06.577 like it was only maybe six feet tall, 1179 00:59:06.612 --> 00:59:08.337 six and a half feet tall. 1180 00:59:08.372 --> 00:59:11.789 Mark's 6'4", but he became unnerved 1181 00:59:11.824 --> 00:59:13.584 so he got the heck outta there. 1182 00:59:13.619 --> 00:59:15.103 First of all, would you speak 1183 00:59:15.137 --> 00:59:16.035 your full name, please. 1184 00:59:16.069 --> 00:59:18.520 - [Mark] First name, Mark. Last name, Quarton. 1185 00:59:18.555 --> 00:59:20.971 - [Bill] Do you wish you identity to be kept confidential? 1186 00:59:21.005 --> 00:59:21.834 - [Mark] No. 1187 00:59:23.076 --> 00:59:24.319 I don't care. 1188 00:59:24.353 --> 00:59:25.976 - [Bill] What is your occupation? 1189 00:59:26.010 --> 00:59:27.909 - [Mark] I'm a gas fitter. 1190 00:59:29.704 --> 00:59:31.291 - [Bill] Do you wear corrective lenses? 1191 00:59:31.326 --> 00:59:32.154 - [Mark] No. 1192 00:59:33.086 --> 00:59:34.087 - [Bill] How old are you? 1193 00:59:34.122 --> 00:59:35.399 - [Mark] 30. 1194 00:59:35.433 --> 00:59:37.712 - [Bill] Now, first question is, 1195 00:59:37.746 --> 00:59:39.610 just tell me generally the story. 1196 00:59:39.645 --> 00:59:40.715 Tell me what happened. 1197 00:59:41.923 --> 00:59:43.821 - [Mark] I was talking down this road 1198 00:59:43.856 --> 00:59:46.652 up at Ruby Crrek, this marshy area. 1199 00:59:48.274 --> 00:59:50.483 Moving real slow, keeping an eye on the bush, 1200 00:59:50.517 --> 00:59:52.209 looking for deer and bear. 1201 00:59:53.624 --> 00:59:55.799 Caught a glimpse of something black 1202 00:59:55.833 --> 00:59:58.318 out of the corner of my eye moving. 1203 00:59:58.353 --> 00:59:59.216 No sound at that point. 1204 00:59:59.250 --> 01:00:00.666 Just something moving. 1205 01:00:00.700 --> 01:00:05.394 So I quickly spun mainly just my upper body towards it. 1206 01:00:06.637 --> 01:00:10.952 Saw a rock 12 to 15 feet off the ground, 1207 01:00:12.091 --> 01:00:14.334 kind of arching down towards me. 1208 01:00:16.371 --> 01:00:17.268 Landed in the bog. 1209 01:00:17.303 --> 01:00:18.545 Seemed like right next to me, 1210 01:00:18.580 --> 01:00:21.031 but I don't know where in that bog it landed, 1211 01:00:21.065 --> 01:00:22.929 but it seemed like it was right there. 1212 01:00:24.862 --> 01:00:27.589 So I paused and started going through the motions 1213 01:00:27.624 --> 01:00:32.490 in my head, thinking where could it have come from, and, 1214 01:00:35.252 --> 01:00:36.322 a bunch of things went through my head, 1215 01:00:36.356 --> 01:00:37.737 but nothing really made sense. 1216 01:00:37.772 --> 01:00:40.153 So I kind of, I backed up a little bit, 1217 01:00:40.188 --> 01:00:42.500 and I was looking at this grove of trees. 1218 01:00:43.812 --> 01:00:45.400 I saw something black kind of move 1219 01:00:45.434 --> 01:00:47.885 and then it took off like a rocket. 1220 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:51.130 My first impression, holy shit. 1221 01:00:51.164 --> 01:00:52.338 [laughing] 1222 01:00:52.372 --> 01:00:54.720 And then I started thinking 1223 01:00:54.754 --> 01:00:56.445 that I had walked through somebody's, 1224 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:58.516 under somebody's tree and they were whipping a rock 1225 01:00:58.551 --> 01:01:00.415 at me to get me to take off. 1226 01:01:00.449 --> 01:01:03.004 I thought at first a person threw a rock at me, 1227 01:01:03.038 --> 01:01:04.799 but then I saw something take off into the bush 1228 01:01:04.833 --> 01:01:06.904 and there was no way that was a man. 1229 01:01:06.939 --> 01:01:08.837 - [Bill] How did you react when you first saw it? 1230 01:01:08.872 --> 01:01:10.114 - [Mark] I froze. 1231 01:01:10.149 --> 01:01:11.357 - He wanted to go out there and see 1232 01:01:11.391 --> 01:01:13.739 what the heck threw this rock at him. 1233 01:01:13.773 --> 01:01:16.569 The rock was about 18 inches long, 1234 01:01:16.603 --> 01:01:17.743 and about half as, 1235 01:01:18.916 --> 01:01:22.195 it was as tall as half the length of the rock. 1236 01:01:22.230 --> 01:01:24.542 One of the things he told me during the conversation 1237 01:01:24.577 --> 01:01:28.132 was that the way it was spiraling, 1238 01:01:28.167 --> 01:01:29.444 I thought that was kinda, I said, "Spiraling? 1239 01:01:29.478 --> 01:01:31.515 "You mean like throwing a football?" 1240 01:01:31.549 --> 01:01:32.999 "Yeah, yeah, spiraling like that, 1241 01:01:33.034 --> 01:01:34.932 "it was rotating, fast." 1242 01:01:34.967 --> 01:01:37.176 So quickly, I asked him before he could even think, 1243 01:01:37.210 --> 01:01:38.695 I said, "Which way was it spinning?" 1244 01:01:38.729 --> 01:01:43.044 And without hesitation, he says, "Towards me, forward." 1245 01:01:43.078 --> 01:01:44.286 I said, "That's a good answer." 1246 01:01:44.321 --> 01:01:46.288 He says, "Why, what difference that make?" 1247 01:01:46.323 --> 01:01:49.878 Primates can throw underhand, they can't throw overhand, 1248 01:01:49.913 --> 01:01:52.053 and when you flip something underhand, 1249 01:01:52.087 --> 01:01:54.124 you start the rotation going forward, 1250 01:01:54.158 --> 01:01:56.195 a ball or anything, it's rolling forward. 1251 01:01:56.229 --> 01:01:59.785 I picked up a rock half the size of what he described. 1252 01:01:59.819 --> 01:02:02.304 I tried throwing it across this narrow logging road, 1253 01:02:02.339 --> 01:02:05.894 it never got over my head and I barely got it seven feet. 1254 01:02:05.929 --> 01:02:08.586 This thing threw a rock from 40 feet across a bog, 1255 01:02:08.621 --> 01:02:10.416 and when he turned, he says, 1256 01:02:10.450 --> 01:02:12.383 "It was just about a foot or two through those branches. 1257 01:02:12.418 --> 01:02:14.213 I saw it coming down at a steep angle." 1258 01:02:14.247 --> 01:02:16.733 So whatever had threw it, had lobbed it high, 1259 01:02:16.767 --> 01:02:18.700 and threw it towards him, very strong. 1260 01:02:19.839 --> 01:02:21.772 I said, "It'd sure be nice to get that rock." 1261 01:02:21.807 --> 01:02:23.878 Quarton and his friend never found any tracks. 1262 01:02:23.912 --> 01:02:26.397 He said, "I know the way it went, 1263 01:02:26.432 --> 01:02:28.434 because I could see the bushes move 1264 01:02:28.468 --> 01:02:31.299 and hear sticks snappin', but I could never see it. 1265 01:02:31.333 --> 01:02:32.610 It went around the other side, 1266 01:02:32.645 --> 01:02:33.784 and I know the travel it went, 1267 01:02:33.819 --> 01:02:35.613 around the other side and on outta sight 1268 01:02:35.648 --> 01:02:37.236 down the side of the hillside." 1269 01:02:38.685 --> 01:02:40.757 So he goes that way, and they didn't find anything, 1270 01:02:40.791 --> 01:02:43.276 but when Thomas went in, it wasn't five minutes, 1271 01:02:43.311 --> 01:02:45.451 he says, "Bill, bring the camera equipment." 1272 01:02:45.485 --> 01:02:46.348 So I did. 1273 01:02:47.522 --> 01:02:50.456 This track here, right here you can see it 1274 01:02:50.490 --> 01:02:53.321 through the vegetation where it pressed down. 1275 01:02:53.355 --> 01:02:55.185 I don't know if you can see it good enough, 1276 01:02:55.219 --> 01:02:56.773 but this thing, it actually turned 1277 01:02:56.807 --> 01:02:59.637 the tips of the toes down when it got into the soft bog, 1278 01:02:59.672 --> 01:03:01.501 almost as if it's gripping, 1279 01:03:01.536 --> 01:03:03.710 and that's what it's supposed to do. 1280 01:03:03.745 --> 01:03:06.783 Remember the foot on Mount Archibald, 1281 01:03:06.817 --> 01:03:08.129 when it was going up the hill, 1282 01:03:08.163 --> 01:03:10.510 it seemed to be gripping the ground, 1283 01:03:10.545 --> 01:03:13.341 and kept going in the direction of travel. 1284 01:03:13.375 --> 01:03:16.171 This has five toe punctures. 1285 01:03:16.206 --> 01:03:18.070 They had water standing in 'em. 1286 01:03:18.104 --> 01:03:20.900 We waited a day or so to let the water seep outta here, 1287 01:03:20.935 --> 01:03:22.384 'cause it had been raining the day Mark was there 1288 01:03:22.419 --> 01:03:25.249 and the day after it when I interviewed him, 1289 01:03:25.284 --> 01:03:26.837 and we let it seep out and Steenburg 1290 01:03:26.872 --> 01:03:30.013 actually cast this track, believe it or not, 1291 01:03:30.047 --> 01:03:33.085 and he has a casting of it at his place. 1292 01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:35.466 Mark never knew those tracks was there, 1293 01:03:35.501 --> 01:03:38.055 and I thought, "Wow, if this guy wanted to hoax me, 1294 01:03:38.090 --> 01:03:39.885 he woulda made sure that I knew 1295 01:03:39.919 --> 01:03:42.473 that they found those tracks, come and see 'em." 1296 01:03:42.508 --> 01:03:43.681 He never knew. 1297 01:03:43.716 --> 01:03:45.062 I seen the pictures, he was so happy 1298 01:03:45.097 --> 01:03:47.582 they was able to find evidence to back up his story. 1299 01:03:49.446 --> 01:03:53.381 [suspenseful orchestral music] 1300 01:03:56.418 --> 01:04:00.112 - This is my file, one zero one six two. 1301 01:04:00.146 --> 01:04:02.286 This concerns an incident I investigated 1302 01:04:02.321 --> 01:04:05.634 that happened on September 21st, 2008. 1303 01:04:05.669 --> 01:04:08.672 Myself and a female researcher by the name of Chrissy 1304 01:04:08.706 --> 01:04:12.918 found three footprints, one of which was cast, 1305 01:04:12.952 --> 01:04:14.781 and you can see it right in front of you here. 1306 01:04:14.816 --> 01:04:16.438 It was in bog debris. 1307 01:04:17.957 --> 01:04:21.374 Footprint in layers and layers of bog debris. 1308 01:04:22.928 --> 01:04:26.828 And as you can see, that's not the best stuff 1309 01:04:26.863 --> 01:04:28.312 to try and cast something with. 1310 01:04:28.347 --> 01:04:30.176 I was quite pleasantly surprised 1311 01:04:30.211 --> 01:04:33.076 I'm actually getting any impression out of it at all. 1312 01:04:33.110 --> 01:04:34.491 There were two other tracks, 1313 01:04:34.525 --> 01:04:38.115 one of which miss Chrissy destroyed herself 1314 01:04:38.150 --> 01:04:42.879 by sinking up to her crotch in mud, and falling on it. 1315 01:04:44.018 --> 01:04:46.641 And the second set was destroyed by a dog, 1316 01:04:46.675 --> 01:04:49.955 which had clawed it, and the dog 1317 01:04:49.989 --> 01:04:52.750 was going for this track too when I got ahold of it 1318 01:04:52.785 --> 01:04:55.443 and told her to tie the damn thing up. 1319 01:04:57.100 --> 01:04:59.033 We went back the next day, 1320 01:04:59.067 --> 01:05:01.345 'cause we thought because it had been so warm and dry 1321 01:05:01.380 --> 01:05:03.692 that it would dry out, and it did, 1322 01:05:03.727 --> 01:05:06.247 and we cast it at that time. 1323 01:05:06.281 --> 01:05:08.732 Because bad weather was due to come back in, 1324 01:05:08.766 --> 01:05:11.631 we wanted to make sure we got a good casting made 1325 01:05:11.666 --> 01:05:13.599 before the track was destroyed. 1326 01:05:13.633 --> 01:05:14.980 But you're looking at the original, 1327 01:05:15.014 --> 01:05:17.603 out of the ground casting right there. 1328 01:05:17.637 --> 01:05:20.295 - Now if you wanna know the classics, 1329 01:05:20.330 --> 01:05:23.850 I mentioned the Jacko capture up at Yale. 1330 01:05:23.885 --> 01:05:25.024 That was very interesting. 1331 01:05:25.059 --> 01:05:27.440 Thomas Steenburg and myself, a few years ago, 1332 01:05:27.475 --> 01:05:31.479 were the first researchers in 120 or 25 years 1333 01:05:31.513 --> 01:05:34.827 that actually found that location by the number four tunnel. 1334 01:05:34.861 --> 01:05:38.106 Everything was like it was in the Daily Columnist article. 1335 01:05:38.141 --> 01:05:39.659 The train was coming from Litton, 1336 01:05:39.694 --> 01:05:43.111 and in those days, a gravel road from Agassiz 1337 01:05:43.146 --> 01:05:47.046 out to Ruby Creek stopped and it was all forest, 1338 01:05:47.081 --> 01:05:49.669 all the way up to Hope, all the way up to Yale, 1339 01:05:49.704 --> 01:05:51.257 there was no road at that time. 1340 01:05:53.604 --> 01:05:55.227 So when this train was coming from Litton, 1341 01:05:55.261 --> 01:05:56.676 it rounded the bend, it says, 1342 01:05:56.711 --> 01:05:58.782 "When the number four tunnel first came into sight, 1343 01:05:58.816 --> 01:06:01.647 we saw something laying by the tracks up ahead. 1344 01:06:01.681 --> 01:06:03.166 We thought it was someone laying there." 1345 01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:06.341 It blew its whistle, it didn't move. 1346 01:06:06.376 --> 01:06:08.826 So they had to eventually stop the train. 1347 01:06:08.861 --> 01:06:11.105 They dismounted, they went towards it, 1348 01:06:11.139 --> 01:06:13.003 and when they got up to it, it had come to 1349 01:06:13.038 --> 01:06:14.832 and it scrambled up the rock bluff. 1350 01:06:16.973 --> 01:06:19.182 It got up so high, about 10 feet or so, 1351 01:06:19.216 --> 01:06:21.149 'cause there are two rock ledges possible 1352 01:06:21.184 --> 01:06:22.633 where they said it happened, 1353 01:06:22.668 --> 01:06:25.843 that it could've gotten to, and they're about 10 feet high. 1354 01:06:25.878 --> 01:06:29.226 We didn't know which one, they didn't say in the article, 1355 01:06:29.261 --> 01:06:32.022 but it got hung up, so they called for the bell rope. 1356 01:06:32.057 --> 01:06:33.817 They didn't know what this strange creature was. 1357 01:06:33.851 --> 01:06:36.820 It was covered with hair, they never seen anything like it. 1358 01:06:36.854 --> 01:06:39.029 The term Sasquatch hadn't been coined 1359 01:06:39.064 --> 01:06:41.618 until the 1920s I believe, 1360 01:06:41.652 --> 01:06:44.966 over here at Chehalis by a J.W. Burns. 1361 01:06:45.001 --> 01:06:49.143 So they got the bell rope, they captured it, 1362 01:06:49.177 --> 01:06:51.283 they telegraphed into town telling 'em 1363 01:06:51.317 --> 01:06:52.525 "Hey, the train is stopped." 1364 01:06:52.560 --> 01:06:54.044 You have to tell 'em why in those days, 1365 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:55.287 a lotta robberies and stuff going on, 1366 01:06:55.321 --> 01:06:57.427 "Not to worry, we're a little bit behind. 1367 01:06:57.461 --> 01:07:00.844 They're bringing this creature in that we captured." 1368 01:07:00.878 --> 01:07:03.226 So they took it into town, the whole town 1369 01:07:03.260 --> 01:07:06.091 had heard about this news, it was in a stir. 1370 01:07:06.125 --> 01:07:07.816 They stopped short of town and dropped it off 1371 01:07:07.851 --> 01:07:09.646 at the machine shop. 1372 01:07:09.680 --> 01:07:13.926 They had a doctor named Hannington examine it. 1373 01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:16.929 In his report, he says that it was 4'7" tall, 1374 01:07:16.963 --> 01:07:21.209 127 pounds, covered with short black hair 1375 01:07:21.244 --> 01:07:22.728 all over its body. 1376 01:07:22.762 --> 01:07:27.733 It had hands and feet, and it said paws in parentheses, 1377 01:07:28.665 --> 01:07:31.392 like a human's, like a man's 1378 01:07:31.426 --> 01:07:34.464 but all the fingers ran in the same direction, 1379 01:07:34.498 --> 01:07:36.121 no opposing thumb like we have. 1380 01:07:37.329 --> 01:07:39.434 The feet had five toes like we have, 1381 01:07:40.815 --> 01:07:43.162 and it had this short, black, strong hair it said, 1382 01:07:43.197 --> 01:07:46.579 and one of the interesting things that the doctor mentioned, 1383 01:07:46.614 --> 01:07:50.721 from the elbow to the wrist was longer than a man's arm, 1384 01:07:50.756 --> 01:07:52.482 and they found that it could break a stick 1385 01:07:52.516 --> 01:07:55.381 by twisting it rather than snapping it 1386 01:07:55.416 --> 01:07:58.315 like we would have to do, very strong. 1387 01:07:58.350 --> 01:08:00.835 What he described was a ape, 1388 01:08:02.043 --> 01:08:03.217 and I don't think the first gorillas 1389 01:08:03.251 --> 01:08:04.666 weren't brought over to this continent 1390 01:08:04.701 --> 01:08:08.049 until around 1902, 1906. 1391 01:08:08.084 --> 01:08:10.672 So 25 years earlier, they wouldn't even actually 1392 01:08:10.707 --> 01:08:12.985 seen gorillas, they would've seen monkeys probably, 1393 01:08:13.019 --> 01:08:14.297 but not gorillas. 1394 01:08:14.331 --> 01:08:16.851 What you're describing is the size of a chimp 1395 01:08:16.885 --> 01:08:20.751 or a small gorilla, those are expensive, exotic animals. 1396 01:08:20.786 --> 01:08:22.788 I said, "No one dumps 'em on logging roads 1397 01:08:22.822 --> 01:08:25.273 like an old dog you don't want anymore." 1398 01:08:25.308 --> 01:08:28.311 A Sasquatch is not born big. 1399 01:08:28.345 --> 01:08:31.176 It comes out as a youngster and it has to grow. 1400 01:08:31.210 --> 01:08:33.350 They think it got too close to the rock bluff 1401 01:08:33.385 --> 01:08:35.180 and it had fallen and it was just knocked down 1402 01:08:35.214 --> 01:08:36.974 and knocked the wind out of 'em or somethin', 1403 01:08:37.009 --> 01:08:39.391 that's how they wound up seein' it by the tracks. 1404 01:08:39.425 --> 01:08:42.566 They go to take it to England, 1405 01:08:42.601 --> 01:08:46.087 and somewhere along the line there's no real trail on it. 1406 01:08:46.122 --> 01:08:49.470 It ran out, they don't know what exactly happened to it, 1407 01:08:49.504 --> 01:08:52.404 but in those days, I can only speculate 1408 01:08:52.438 --> 01:08:54.406 whether you be at sea or on a train, 1409 01:08:54.440 --> 01:08:57.236 something dies, you don't leave it layin' there, 1410 01:08:57.271 --> 01:08:59.031 especially if you got a long trip ahead 1411 01:08:59.065 --> 01:09:00.653 because they worry about plague 1412 01:09:00.688 --> 01:09:02.586 and getting sick from a dead body. 1413 01:09:02.621 --> 01:09:04.519 No way to preserve it, 1414 01:09:04.554 --> 01:09:06.176 so they probably pitched it overboard 1415 01:09:06.211 --> 01:09:08.247 not knowing what it was. 1416 01:09:08.282 --> 01:09:09.490 And that was unfortunate, 1417 01:09:09.524 --> 01:09:10.767 because there was that one opportunity 1418 01:09:10.801 --> 01:09:12.734 that they could've had the body, 1419 01:09:12.769 --> 01:09:14.771 and they didn't, and they discarded it. 1420 01:09:14.805 --> 01:09:16.911 - [Narrator] Could Jack Faust's Town Hall witnesses 1421 01:09:16.945 --> 01:09:18.154 be liars? 1422 01:09:18.188 --> 01:09:21.191 - Bigfoot, Sasquatch, the abominable snowman, 1423 01:09:21.226 --> 01:09:24.953 call him, or her, whatever you want. 1424 01:09:24.988 --> 01:09:28.371 It's a controversy as old as the hills 1425 01:09:28.405 --> 01:09:30.062 in which they are sighted, 1426 01:09:30.096 --> 01:09:31.719 and as fresh as the winds have been blowing 1427 01:09:31.753 --> 01:09:32.927 the last couple days, 1428 01:09:32.961 --> 01:09:35.309 because in recent weeks, more sightings. 1429 01:09:35.343 --> 01:09:36.827 The controversy continues. 1430 01:09:36.862 --> 01:09:41.073 There was a photo sent to us from an alleged sighting, 1431 01:09:41.107 --> 01:09:43.558 and I believe we have another picture there. 1432 01:09:43.593 --> 01:09:46.009 Yes, and there we have another picture. 1433 01:09:46.043 --> 01:09:50.220 Now, let's go from the photographs to the eye witnesses. 1434 01:09:50.255 --> 01:09:53.396 I'm gonna ask here, who here in this audience 1435 01:09:53.430 --> 01:09:55.639 has seen Bigfoot? 1436 01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:58.124 You sir, identify yourself. 1437 01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:01.300 - My name's Gary Weilert, I was huntin' elk about 1982 1438 01:10:01.335 --> 01:10:04.130 with some family and some friends. 1439 01:10:04.165 --> 01:10:05.270 - [Jack] Whereabouts? 1440 01:10:05.304 --> 01:10:07.755 - Up in, out of Milton-Freewater area, 1441 01:10:07.789 --> 01:10:08.825 in the Blue Mountain range. 1442 01:10:08.859 --> 01:10:10.654 - [Jack] The Blue Mountains. 1443 01:10:10.689 --> 01:10:12.863 - We were about just gettin' done huntin'. 1444 01:10:12.898 --> 01:10:14.900 It was just startin' to get dark. 1445 01:10:14.934 --> 01:10:17.627 We were camped at the end of a meadow. 1446 01:10:17.661 --> 01:10:18.869 We were all standing there, 1447 01:10:18.904 --> 01:10:20.285 and we noticed an object come out 1448 01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:23.322 of the far end of the meadow, came straight at us, 1449 01:10:23.357 --> 01:10:24.565 and then paralleled us. 1450 01:10:24.599 --> 01:10:26.567 We figured maybe it saw the fire or something. 1451 01:10:26.601 --> 01:10:27.395 - [Jack] How far away? 1452 01:10:27.430 --> 01:10:28.914 - 200 yards. 1453 01:10:28.948 --> 01:10:30.812 It had just began to snow, it was plenty light out, 1454 01:10:30.847 --> 01:10:34.057 we could see it was up on two hind legs, walking. 1455 01:10:35.300 --> 01:10:37.094 We figured it wasn't no bear, 1456 01:10:37.129 --> 01:10:39.683 because a bear usually does not walk on its hind legs 1457 01:10:39.718 --> 01:10:41.961 no 100 yards, 150 yards. 1458 01:10:41.996 --> 01:10:43.929 Usually only under attack or something like that 1459 01:10:43.963 --> 01:10:45.862 they'll get up on their legs, 1460 01:10:45.896 --> 01:10:49.659 but it walked parallel to us to the edge of the woods, 1461 01:10:49.693 --> 01:10:53.076 and then stopped, fiddled around. 1462 01:10:53.110 --> 01:10:54.457 I don't know what it was doing, just standing there, 1463 01:10:54.491 --> 01:10:55.492 and then that was the end of it. 1464 01:10:55.527 --> 01:10:57.183 We didn't wanna go after it. 1465 01:10:58.323 --> 01:10:59.910 - [Jack] How big, would you say? 1466 01:11:01.326 --> 01:11:04.570 - Well, to get an idea, at first when we saw it come out, 1467 01:11:04.605 --> 01:11:05.778 we thought it was an elk, 1468 01:11:05.813 --> 01:11:07.366 and elk is a pretty massive animal. 1469 01:11:09.334 --> 01:11:12.233 Then when we realized it wasn't on four legs, 1470 01:11:12.268 --> 01:11:15.581 it was up on two, we got a little more curious. 1471 01:11:15.616 --> 01:11:18.274 We had scopes, we tried to see better. 1472 01:11:18.308 --> 01:11:20.034 We couldn't tell no hair color or anything. 1473 01:11:20.068 --> 01:11:22.968 We knew it was dark, blackish color, 1474 01:11:23.002 --> 01:11:27.213 and it was rather big, probably nine, 10 feet tall. 1475 01:11:27.248 --> 01:11:28.870 - [Jack] What was it walking on? 1476 01:11:28.905 --> 01:11:30.044 - Snow. 1477 01:11:30.078 --> 01:11:31.287 - [Jack] Did it leave tracks? 1478 01:11:31.321 --> 01:11:33.081 - We did not go up there to look. 1479 01:11:33.116 --> 01:11:34.945 [laughing] 1480 01:11:34.980 --> 01:11:36.395 We weren't interested, you know, 1481 01:11:36.430 --> 01:11:40.434 like, say, brave white hunters, but we didn't wanna go look. 1482 01:11:42.298 --> 01:11:43.437 [suspenseful orchestral music] 1483 01:11:43.471 --> 01:11:48.165 - Scientists don't make decisions 1484 01:11:48.200 --> 01:11:50.167 as to whether 1485 01:11:52.377 --> 01:11:54.137 things are this or that. 1486 01:11:54.171 --> 01:11:55.449 They investigate. 1487 01:11:57.554 --> 01:12:00.039 And I thought, good Lord, 1488 01:12:00.074 --> 01:12:02.663 I've been trying to get 'em to investigate 1489 01:12:02.697 --> 01:12:03.871 for half a century. 1490 01:12:03.905 --> 01:12:05.079 They don't investigate. 1491 01:12:07.081 --> 01:12:09.290 They have beliefs, 1492 01:12:09.325 --> 01:12:11.775 and anything that is contrary to their belief, 1493 01:12:11.810 --> 01:12:13.605 they won't investigate. 1494 01:12:15.089 --> 01:12:19.507 So these people have beliefs. 1495 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:21.613 They're not scientists. 1496 01:12:24.063 --> 01:12:27.273 - I'm Grover Krantz, I'm a professor of anthropology 1497 01:12:27.308 --> 01:12:29.517 here at Washington State University. 1498 01:12:29.552 --> 01:12:32.796 I teach courses in dealing with physical anthropology, 1499 01:12:32.831 --> 01:12:35.040 introduction to the subject, human evolution, 1500 01:12:35.074 --> 01:12:36.973 human races, the human skeleton, 1501 01:12:37.007 --> 01:12:40.114 and sometimes seminars on advanced subjects. 1502 01:12:40.148 --> 01:12:41.633 - [Interviewer] Do you feel compelled 1503 01:12:41.667 --> 01:12:45.913 to still make the case for the existence of Bigfoot? 1504 01:12:45.947 --> 01:12:49.088 - Well I'm satisfied that this Bigfoot thing exists. 1505 01:12:50.262 --> 01:12:51.746 Trying to make the case or argue for it 1506 01:12:51.781 --> 01:12:55.405 on the present evidence is largely futile, 1507 01:12:55.440 --> 01:12:58.581 but I'd like as much as possible to let the word out 1508 01:12:58.615 --> 01:13:01.066 as to what I found out and what I'm doing. 1509 01:13:01.100 --> 01:13:02.136 - [Interviewer] Tell me, why is it futile, 1510 01:13:02.170 --> 01:13:03.448 can you elaborate on that? 1511 01:13:04.794 --> 01:13:07.417 - Almost any scientist will tell you, 1512 01:13:07.452 --> 01:13:09.695 in no uncertain terms, that you will prove 1513 01:13:09.730 --> 01:13:12.249 the existence of Bigfoot or Sasquatch 1514 01:13:12.284 --> 01:13:15.529 by bringing in a body or a substantial piece of one. 1515 01:13:15.563 --> 01:13:17.634 No other evidence is proof. 1516 01:13:18.877 --> 01:13:20.292 They are adamant about this. 1517 01:13:21.466 --> 01:13:25.228 - Scientific world does not work the same 1518 01:13:25.262 --> 01:13:27.920 as the legal world. 1519 01:13:27.955 --> 01:13:30.406 Eyewitness testimony really doesn't mean much. 1520 01:13:32.304 --> 01:13:34.271 Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much. 1521 01:13:34.306 --> 01:13:36.757 Photographic, video evidence doesn't mean much. 1522 01:13:36.791 --> 01:13:39.415 They need something to physically examine. 1523 01:13:39.449 --> 01:13:40.968 Basically, you have to lay a Sasquatch 1524 01:13:41.002 --> 01:13:42.314 out on the table for 'em. 1525 01:13:43.557 --> 01:13:46.836 So, until or unless that happens, 1526 01:13:46.870 --> 01:13:50.598 this will remain in the elements, 1527 01:13:50.633 --> 01:13:53.049 for lack of a better term, on the fringe. 1528 01:13:54.533 --> 01:13:56.397 And for me, what I need to do, 1529 01:13:56.432 --> 01:13:59.814 is I gotta find that hard physical evidence 1530 01:13:59.849 --> 01:14:03.162 that will confirm, to the people who really matter, 1531 01:14:03.197 --> 01:14:05.337 that the Sasquatch does indeed exist. 1532 01:14:06.856 --> 01:14:09.928 It wouldn't surprise me if the physical remains 1533 01:14:09.962 --> 01:14:14.173 of a Sasquatch are laid out on a table one day. 1534 01:14:14.208 --> 01:14:17.487 It won't be found by a researcher like me in the bush. 1535 01:14:17.522 --> 01:14:19.351 It'll be found by some anthropology student 1536 01:14:19.385 --> 01:14:20.525 who found them in a long forgotten 1537 01:14:20.559 --> 01:14:22.354 museum box or drawer somewhere. 1538 01:14:24.149 --> 01:14:26.427 It wouldn't surprise me one bit. 1539 01:14:26.462 --> 01:14:30.120 [dramatic orchestral music]